Oct 04, 2022 Town of Bluffton Negotiating Committee

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EVERYBODY,

[I. CALL TO ORDER]

UM, THIRD MEETING OF THIS PARTICULAR NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE MEETING.

IT IS TUESDAY, OCTOBER 4TH AT 2:00 PM YOU HAVE EVERYONE, CAROL, MISSING ONE.

SO THAT'S GOOD.

WE HAVE THE MAJORITY PRESENT FROM THE COMMITTEE.

THANK YOU ALL FOR TAKING TIME ON YOUR DAY TO SIT HERE AND WORK ON THIS.

UM, WE'LL GO OVER A FEW OLD BUSINESS, JUST GET EVERYBODY CALLED.

TOUGH AS TO WHY WE ARE STARTING THIS.

UM, FIRST LET'S DO A ROLL CALL.

THREE, CERTAINLY, UH, CCA HERE.

BRAD HAMILTON.

YEAH.

ALICE HOWARD.

HERE.

EARL DAVIS.

HERE.

AMANDA DENMARK.

HERE.

ASHLEY FESTER HERE.

AND CAROL FRANKEL.

WHO, WHO IS ABSENT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, NEXT WE'LL HAVE THE

[III. ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA]

THE AGENDA.

I DON'T EXPECT ANYTHING CHANGE, BUT MR. CEASE, ANYTHING? THE AGENDA IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE? THE AGENDA IS WRITTEN.

YOUR SECOND NOT GONNA DISCUSSION.

ALL IN FAVOR STATEMENT SAYING AYE.

I OPPOSED? THAT'S UNANIMOUS.

AS YOU SAW THE LAST TIME WE MET

[IV. MEETING MINUTES]

THERE ARE MEETING MINUTES THAT WERE SENT TO Y'ALL EARLIER THIS WEEK.

UM, IS THERE ANY CHANGES? LET ME KNOW.

IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT? GO MOVE A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL A FAVOR.

STATE OF SAYING AYE.

I OPPOSED? THAT'S UNANIMOUS.

AND WE MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

[V. PUBLIC COMMENTS - Related to Agenda Items Only]

UM, THEY ARE THREE MINUTES IN LENGTH AND I JUST WILL SHORTEN IT, BUT JUST BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYONE IN THE ROOM AND KEEP IT TO THAT AGENDA ITEM.

SO KIM, YOU PUBLIC COMMENT? I'M SORRY.

REBECCA BAKER, YOU COULD SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS WHEN YOU COME TO THE PODIUM.

WE CAN HAVE IT FOR RECORDING OUR MINUTES AND I'LL TIME IT OVER HERE.

WE DO NOT HAVE A CLOCK UP THERE ALL AROUND LIKE TWO MINUTES AND A HALF.

I'LL LOOK AT YOU AND I'LL, OKAY.

REBECCA BAKER IS, IS, SHE LEFT A CONTACT ONLINE.

WE WILL GET THAT THEN WE JUST CAN'T READ IT IF SHE'S NOT HERE TO READ IT.

THANK YOU.

LAWTON AFTERNOON, NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.

AND THEN JIM LAWTON AND I LIVE AT 52.

UM, DEAR MAYOR AND NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AGAIN TO THE TOPIC OF OVER WATER FUELING AND DRY STACK STORAGE AT ANSEN MARINA COMPLEX.

I HAVEN'T CHANGED MY POSITION ON THE FOLLY OF THESE AMENDMENTS TO THE PALMETTO BLUFF, UH, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN THE YEAR.

IT HAS BEEN DELIVERED BY TOWN COUNCIL.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND YOUR COMMITTEE ARGUMENTS TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS ARE OVERWATER FUELING AND RUNOFF FROM 35,000 SQUARE FEET UP A ROOF ABOVE THE PROPOSED DRY STACK STORAGE HAVE BEEN MADE IN NUMEROUS FORMS. THERE HAS BEEN NO SERIOUS DISCUSSION IN PUBLIC MEETINGS OVER THE LAST YEAR ON THE GROSSLY OVERSIZED MARINA CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH WOULD BRING 899 DODS TO THE SOUTHERN ROUGH.

A MASSIVE COVERAGE OF MARSA HABITATS WITH THE PROPOSED DOCKS AT THE BIG HOUSE TRACK IN THE IMPACTS OF 170 WET SLIPS ON THE NEW RIVER ESTRING SYSTEM AND EFFECTS OF BRINGING OCEAN GOING VESSELS UP FROM THE INTERCOASTAL WATERWAY FOR REFUELING THAT ANSWER IN THE LIGHT OF WHERE WE ARE ON OCTOBER 4TH, 2022 JUST AFTER BEING MISSED BY HURRICANE IN 17 YEARS AFTER THE CORE OF ENGINEER GAVE THE DEVELOPER A PERMIT APPROVAL FOR THE ANSEN COMPLEX, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN REVIEWED OVER 20 YEARS OF WPA GROWTH IN SOUTHERN BEFORD COUNTY.

THESE AMENDMENTS SHOULD BE FIRMLY DENIED.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND ATTENTION TO THE FUTURE OF OUR BOB MOR ETTE.

NAME AND ADDRESS AGAIN, PLEASE.

UH, GOOD AFTERNOONS.

BOB MORRE 2 5 3 WATERFALL ROAD IN BLUFF.

UM, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME.

I JUST HAVE TWO

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I'M A MEMBER OF THE COMMENT BLUFF NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OF HERE SPEAKING, UH, ON THE FIRST POINT ON AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN.

SECOND POINT, I THINK IS, UH, UH, BEHALF OF THE MEMBERSHIP.

FIRST POINT IS IN THE RESPONSE THAT, UM, THE DEVELOPERS MADE BACK TO YOUR QUESTIONS.

THERE WERE 13 QUESTIONS.

QUESTION NUMBER 13 WAS AROUND THE CAPITAL STRUCTURE FINANCIAL BACKING.

IN THE RESPONSE THEY TELL YOU THAT THE CAPITAL IS PERMANENT.

UM, THERE'S MANY OF US WHO'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE PRIVATE EQUITY WORLD.

I'M PERSONALLY HAVE INVESTED IN, I THINK I COUNTED THEM LAST NIGHT, 27 DIFFERENT PRIVATE EQUITY PARTNERSHIPS OVER THE LAST 25 YEARS AND NEVER HAVE ANY OF US EVER SEEN SOMETHING THAT SAYS PERMANENT CAPITAL.

SO I WOULD JUST URGE THE COMMITTEE TO SEEK, UM, AFFIRMATION THAT SIMPLY TAKING AN ASSERTION, UM, FROM THE DEVELOPERS OR THEIR LAWYER, I DON'T THINK IS ENOUGH.

I THINK, UH, MANY OF US KNOW THAT THE ORIGINAL BUSINESS PLAN CALLED FOR AN EIGHT YEAR HOLD.

WE'RE ALREADY TWO YEARS INTO THAT HOLD.

UM, SO THIS PRESUMPTION OF PERMANENT CAPITAL, I THINK YOU JUST NEED TO, YOU KNOW, SATISFY, UM, AND GET TO THE TRUTH ON THAT QUESTION.

SECOND POINT, AND THIS IS MORE ON BEHALF OF, OF THE MEMBERSHIP, IS IT'S REALLY TOUGH TO TRACK THE NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE SCHEDULES.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU COULD SUBSCRIBE TO.

WE FOUND OUT ABOUT IT YESTERDAY.

UH, WE HEARD A LOT OF THINGS FROM, FROM PEOPLES LIKE, OH, I WISH I COULD COME TO THE MEETING.

BUT, UM, AND FRANKLY, WE'RE PROBABLY AS MUCH AS FAULT.

UH, BUT IF IT WOULD JUST BE EASIER TO FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, TO, TO UH, BE ABLE TO, UH, LEARN WHEN THE MEETINGS ARE SCHEDULED OR WHEN THE MEETINGS ARE CANCELED.

UH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

THANK YOU RICHARD.

WE PUBLIC.

RICHARD DALE, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK MY QUESTIONS.

MR. DOUG, GIMME OH 1 28 MOUNT PIA, UH, PALMETTO BLUFF QUESTION IS MY ADDRESS.

UH, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

AGAIN, MY PARTICULAR CONCERN IS WHETHER POST PROJECT, THERE ARE ANY CONTINUING INSURANCE AND BONDING REQUIREMENTS IN THE EVENT THAT WE HAVE A SERIOUS STORM AND THERE IS DAMAGE.

WE'VE SEEN WHAT'S HAPPENED AT SANDAL ISLAND AND HOW THAT BRIDGE HAS BEEN DESTROYED AND HOW THE DAMAGE IS ENORMOUS.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT ANY OF US IN THE TOWN AS A WHOLE OR IN DEPARTMENTAL BLUFF WANT TO BE FACED WITH THE SITUATION WHERE WE WIND UP PAYING THE FREIGHT FOR A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT WHERE THEY HAVEN'T GOT ADEQUATE ARRANGEMENTS IN PLACE FROM BOTH AN INSURANCE AND A BONDING PERSPECTIVE.

THAT'S ALL.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SIR.

MIKE RAYMOND.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS MIKE RAYMOND.

I LIVE AT 5 8 27 GCO LANE IN BLUFFTON AND PRETTY MUCH WHAT HE JUST SAID, UM, WE GOTTA KEEP IN MIND WHEN WE'RE CONTEMPLATING EXPANDING MARINA OPERATIONS ON OUR SENSITIVE WATERS HERE.

UH, THE IMAGES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT ARE COMING IN RIGHT NOW FROM FLORIDA AND THE DAMAGE THAT WAS DONE DOWN THERE FROM THE SAME HURRICANE THAT WE JUST DODGED, WE GOT BOATS STACKED ON TOP OF BOATS, BOATS STACKED ON THE, UH, SHORELINE.

ALL THE WATERFRONT PROPERTIES PUSHED BACK, ROLLED OVER.

UM, WHAT WE CAN'T SEE IS THAT THE FUEL AND THE OIL AND THE WASTE FROM ALL THOSE VESSELS DOWN THERE ARE IN THE WATER AND A LOT OF THOSE, UH, MARINE OPERATIONS HAVE PUMP OUT, LARGE PUMP OUT OPERATIONS WITH FUELING STATIONS AND, UM, FUEL LINES.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAD FUEL LINE RUPTURES, BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THEY DIDN'T.

THE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THERE AND HERE IS THAT THOSE POLLUTANTS GO INTO BIG WATER IN FLORIDA.

WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS THE SAME KIND OF DISASTER THAT POLLUTANTS WOULD GO INTO OUR ESTUARIES, THE INCUBATORS FOR MARINE LIFE, THAT IS WHO DIFFERENT, IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SCENARIO.

AND IF FOR SOME REASON THIS COMMITTEE BELIEVES THAT IT'S, IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO EXPAND MARINA OPERATIONS IN OUR ESTUARIES, THEN I WOULD ALSO THINK THAT IT'D BE, YOU'D HAVE TO INSIST ON ALL THE GUARDRAILS BEING IN PLACE.

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UH, WHARFS THE FUEL WATER POWER WASTE ALL HAVE AUTOMATIC SHUTOFFS.

THE, UM, THE, THE OTHER GENTLEMAN JUST MENTIONED THAT, UM, THE INSURANCE, THE OWNER OPERATORS OF THIS FACILITY SHOULD HAVE A BOND IN PLACE THAT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO COVER WORST CASE SCENARIO FOR IMMEDIATE AND THOROUGH CLEANUP SO THAT NOT ONE PERSON IN BLUFFTON OR THE COUNTY OF BEAUFORT OR FOR THAT MATTER, FOR THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA, SINCE THIS IS STATE WATERWAY, WOULD HAVE TO PAY A DIME WHEN THIS THING GETS WHACKED WITH A HURRICANE AND IT WILL EVENTUALLY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU MR. RAYMOND.

GRANT MCCLURE.

HELLO, MY NAME'S GRANT MCCLURE.

I WORK FOR THE COASTAL CONSERVATION LEAGUE.

OUR OFFICE IS AT, UH, 1212 KING STREET AND AT IN BEAUFORT.

UH, THE COASTAL CONSERVATION LEAGUE HOLDS THE POSITION THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS OF THE REQUESTED CHANGES TO, TO THE PALMETTO BLUFF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WILL HAVE A RIPPLE EFFECT WHICH TRANSCENDS THE GATES OF THE COMMUNITY, THE LEAGUE EMPLOYERS, THE DEVELOPERS TO DEPLOY A MORE HOLISTIC OUTREACH STRATEGY TO BETTER ASSESS CONCERNS RAISED AND IMPACTS TO STAKEHOLDERS IN SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.

TO DATE, NO SUCH PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT HAS OCCURRED DESPITE TOWN COUNCIL AND THIS COMMITTEE'S SPECIFIC, SPECIFICALLY REQUESTING IT OUT OF SOUTH STREET PARTNERS.

MANY STAKEHOLDERS FROM VARIOUS DEMOGRAPHICS USE THE NEW RIVER WATERSHED FROM COMMERCIAL ANGLERS TO ECO-TOURISM COMPANIES TO RECREATIONAL USERS WHO FISH BOAT AND ENJOY WILDLIFE VIEWING.

THESE COMMUNITY MEMBERS SHOULD BE CONSULTED SINCE THEIR LIVELIHOODS AND QUALITY OF LIFE ARE AT STAKE AND COULD BE ADVERSELY IMPACTED BY ALLOWING OXIDE FUELING AT A NEW MARIN.

NEW MARINA ON THE NEW RIVER MARINA ARE NOT CLEAN PLACES BECAUSE THEY OBSTRUCT REGULAR TIDAL FLUSHING, ALLOWING CONCENTRATED CONTAMINANTS TO SINK TO THE BOTTOM WHERE THEY CAN THEN ENTER THE FOOD CHAIN.

THIS MEANS CHEMICALS FROM BOAT CLEANING PRODUCTS, ANTI FOULING PAINTS FUEL AND ENGINE OIL AND OTHER NUTRIENTS AND INTOXICANTS POLLUTE ARE SHARED NATURAL RESOURCES.

THIS IS ESPECIALLY CONCERNING UH, HERE, GIVEN THE SIGNIFICANT NATURAL MEANDERING OF THE NEW RIVER, THE SCALES ARE UNBALANCED IN THIS DEAL.

ADDING AN ADDITIONAL DRY STACK AND DOCKSIDE FUELING THREATENS A PUBLICLY SHARED RESOURCE FOR THE GAIN OF A PRIVATE ENTERPRISE, WHICH IS ALREADY WELL UNDERWAY IN BUILDING OUT THE SUBSTANTIAL ENTITLEMENTS GRANTED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, INCLUDING THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NINE HOLE GOLF COURSE.

OVER UH, 2,500 PEOPLE SIGNED A PETITION WHICH CITED HOW THESE AMENDMENTS CONTRADICT THE ENVIRONMENTAL ETHOS THAT GUIDED THE ORIGINAL 1998 DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

THERE'S CLEARLY SUBSTANTIAL PUBLIC INTEREST AND CONCERN OVER THIS PROJECT, WHICH DESERVE ATTENTION AND MEANINGFUL MITIGATION FOR ANY COMMUNITY AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.

THE CONSERVATION LEAGUE URGES THE COMMITTEE TO UPHOLD THE UNANIMOUS DENIAL RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

HOWEVER, IN THE EVENT NEGOTIATIONS ARE CONSIDERED, WE RECOMMEND THAT THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF WET SLIPS OF BIG HOUSE ANSEN SHOULD BE REDUCED SIGNIFICANTLY, EVEN 50 SLIPS IS A SIGNIFICANT SIZE MARINA AT THIS LOCATION.

WE FURTHER RECOMMEND COMMITMENT TO PERMANENT PROTECTIONS FOR LONG AND DOUGHBOY ISLANDS, WHICH PROVIDE CRITICAL STORM PROTECTION AND MIGRATORY BIRD HABITAT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

JANE HESTER.

HELLO.

HELLO, HELLO, JANE HESTER BEACH DRIVE.

BLUFFTON.

HERE I AM AGAIN.

ABOUT A YEAR AFTER, UM, THE PLANNING MEETING IN WHICH THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD VOTED TO DENY THE FIFTH AMENDMENT TO THE PALM LAW DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

UM, I'VE HAD A OPPORTUNITY MANY TIMES NOW TO EXPRESS MY OPPOSITION TO THIS.

OH, AND I FORGOT TO SAY I ALSO SPEAK FOR HILTON HEAD ABAN SOCIETY.

UM, I'VE HAD MANY OPPORTUNITIES TO SPEAK AND OPPOSITION TO THIS AND MY OPPOSITION REMAINS UNCHANGED, AS DOES THAT OF

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HOWEVER, THIS TIME I READ WITH INTEREST THE SURVEY THAT, UM, SOUTH STREET PARTNERS PUT TO THE ANSEN UM, AREA AND WAS INTERESTED TO SEE THAT ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN SURVEY, BETWEEN TWO THIRDS AND THREE FOURTHS OF THE PEOPLE THEY SURVEYED WERE NOT INTERESTED IN A DRY DOCKS, UM, SLIP EITHER FOR LOANING OR LEASING, NOR IT WET SLIP FOR OWNING AND LEASING.

I WAS SURPRISED, HOWEVER, TO SEE 62% OF THEM THOUGHT THAT IT WAS BENEFICIAL TO HAVE JEWEL OVER WATER.

I WONDER WHERE THEY GOT THAT INFORMATION AND WHOSE BENEFIT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT.

I SAW ALSO THAT THEY HAD THEIR CONSERVATION GROUP SPEAK.

I WONDERED IF THEY HAD ANOTHER ENVIRONMENTAL GROUP THAT WAS NOT FUNDED BY SOUTH STREET PARTNERS SPEAK TO THEIR, UM, RE OWNERS AND RESIDENTS DOWN IN THERE.

SO BOTTOM LINE IS, I'M STILL AGAINST IT.

I CAN'T FIND ANY WAY TO SAY ANYTHING GOOD ABOUT IT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

ERIC SUTHERLAND.

HELLO EVERYBODY.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THIS AGAIN.

UM, MY NAME'S ERIC SUTHERLAND, 1 55 SEWINGS ISLAND STREET.

I'M A RESIDENT OF PALMETTO BLUFF.

I AM NOT SPEAKING TODAY ON BEHALF OF ANY ORGANIZATION.

I'M ONLY SPEAKING, UH, FOR MYSELF.

I LOVE THIS PLACE.

I LOVE BLUFFTON, THE MAY RIVER, HILTON HEAD, PORT ROYAL SOUND, THE ACE BASIN.

I VOTED THE ENTIRE AREA WITH OUR BOAT CLUB.

LEARNED THE HISTORY FROM CAPTAIN BOB, SEEING THE BEAUTY AND THE SPARA GRASS AND THE SMILES ON THE DOLPHINS.

HOW GREAT IS IT TO LIVE HERE? THIS WATERSHED IS ONE OF THE HEALTHIEST IN THE WORLD.

PEOPLE ARE INTOXICATED BY THE WONDERS OF THIS NATURE.

OUR ANCESTORS DEVOTED THEIR TIME, MONEY, AND CONTRIBUTED THEIR LAND TO THE PROTECTION OF THE WATERSHED.

THINK ABOUT THAT.

THIS IS A MIRACLE OF SURVIVAL.

NOW THINK ABOUT THE MEADOWLANDS IN NEW JERSEY, THE OTHER TITLE SHED, IT'S GONE OIL REFINERS SHIPYARDS, TI RIVERS GONE TO ACCOMMODATE ONE GIANT DUMP.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY VOTED NO ON NOVEMBER THE NINTH, 2021 BASED UPON THE AGREED DOCUMENTS, ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS AND DENSITY.

YOU AS A NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE ARE, ARE NOT REQUIRED TO NEGOTIATE YOUR STANDARD OF CAREAWAY WITH ANY DEVELOPER.

THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT DEALT WITH DOCKS AND WATER ISSUES.

MIKE HUGHES OF THOMAS AND HUTTON, WHO I'M SURE IS A FINE LAND ENGINEER, WAS ASKED ABOUT DREDGING BOAT TRAFFIC AFFECTS ON ESTUARIES POLLUTION AROUND ANSON AND LONG ISLAND.

BUT MY CUES IS NO MARINE ENGINEER, HE'S NO BIOLOGIST.

SOUTH STREET PARTNERS ARE NOT TRAINED TO SPEAK ON THE EFFECTS OF WATER SPILLAGE POURING OFF ROOFS AND CONCRETE FROM 900 HOUSES AND 3000 RESIDENTS.

WHAT HAPPENS TO THE WATER RUNOFF THAT POURS INTO THE NEW RIVER THAT ALTERS THE PH LEVELS, THE SPAWNING GROUND, CRITICALLY SENSITIVE RIVER, IT DIES AND IT DIES QUICKLY.

THERE ARE PLENTY OF LARGE MARINAS, PLENTY OF ACCESS TO FUEL.

WHY RISK A TIDAL SURGE LIKE THE ONE WE HAD IN FLORIDA IN THE EN IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL LIABILITY? ARE THEY GONNA HAVE A A FIREBOAT DOWN THERE AROUND THAT ARENA? THINK ABOUT IT.

WHAT IF THERE'S A FIRE DOWN THERE? ARE THEY REQUIRED TO HAVE A FIREBOAT IN THAT AREA? ARE THEY REQUIRED TO HAVE FIRE TRUCKS RIGHT THERE, RIGHT IN THAT AREA THERE? THINK ABOUT THAT.

IF THERE'S A FIRE, WHAT DO YOU DO? I'M ASKING ALL OF YOU TO BE HEROES WHO PUT LIKE THE HEROES WHO PUT THE NATURAL GIFTS THAT WE HAVE ALL SEEN AND LIVE WITH AROUND HERE.

SOUTH STREET IS A DEVELOPER, THEY WILL MOVE ON.

DIDN'T CHECK ANY GOOD.

I LEAVE YOU WITH ONE PASSING COMMENT WHEN THEY MOVE ON.

WHAT ARE WE GONNA LOOK AT? A PARKING LOT WHERE THE DOLPHINS USED TO SMILE AT US? THAT'S MY COMMENT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SIR.

I HEAR YOUR BUZZ ARE REALLY LOUD KIM AND WE HAVE TO USE IT ONCE.

ANYBODY ELSE? THAT'S IT.

OH, THAT'S IT.

OH, OKAY.

PUBLIC COMMENT IS OVER.

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YOU CAN DO ONE OF TWO THINGS TO BE ON THE NOTE ON ANYTHING IN THE TOWN.

ONE IS GO TO OUR WEBSITE AND I'M GONNA HAVE TO, I CAN GET THIS OUT TO Y'ALL, BUT THERE IS A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN GET ON OUR DISTRIBUTION LIST.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PUT IN YOUR EMAIL AND YOU INSTANTLY, YOU MAY GET MORE THAN YOU WANT, BUT YOU WILL GET ON A DISTRIBUTION LIST ON THE TOP RIGHT HAND CORNER OF THE WEBSITE, THE TOP RIGHT HAND CORNER OF THE WEBSITE.

THERE'S NO OPTION FOR NEGOTIATING.

YOU GOTTA, YOU OWN IT, YOU'RE ALL IN.

YEAH.

WHICH IF YOU LIVE IN THIS SHOULD BE ALL IN ALL AGENDAS.

ALL AGENDAS WILL COME.

THE OTHER, WHICH IS REALLY GOOD TO SPEAK TO YOUR POINT SIR, YOU CAN, YOU CAN NARROW IT DOWN.

YOU CAN GO TO OUR CALENDAR AND YOU CAN GO TO AGENDAS AND, AND PUT IN JUST NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE LEFT IN TOWN COUNCIL PLANNING COMMISSION.

IT ACTUALLY GOES BACK INTO THE ARCHIVES AS FAR BACK AS WE HAVE THE, UH, DOCUMENTS UPLOADED.

BUT YOU COULD CHECK THAT THE FIRST OR END OF EVERY MONTH AND YOU WILL SEE THIS HAS BEEN ON THE CALENDAR FOR SIX WEEKS.

SO IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE ONE OR THE OTHER, SOME OF US HAVE TO REALIZE WE HAD TO DO OUR OWN WORK TO LOOK AT THINGS.

IF IT'S IMPORTANT, I DO.

I DON'T GET ACCESS TO PLANNING COMMISSION OR HPC OR OUR AAC SO I I ACTUALLY DO IT JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M NOT MISSING SOMETHING.

SO YES, YOU WILL GET ALL THE AGENDAS, BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S JUST AN EMAIL AND IT'S GOOD TO HAVE IF YOU LIVE IN OUR TOWN, UM, OR NOT.

AND THE OTHER IS JUST GOING ONLINE TO TOWN OF BLUFFTON AND GOING TO OUR AGENDA CENTER.

WE DON'T, THAT'S BY, WE POST IT WELL IN ADVANCES.

NOW WE DON'T POST THIS UNTIL THE THREE DAYS BEFORE THE ACTUAL AGENDA.

MY ALL WERE REQUIRED TO POST IT 24 HOURS IN ADVANCE.

I SENT IT OUT ON SUNDAY.

SO IT WAS FOUR DAYS.

THREE DAYS.

SO KIM IS VERY, SHE'S OUR TOWN CLERK.

SHE'S VERY GOOD ABOUT GETTING THEM OUT AS SOON SHE'S, SHE RELIES ON STAFF TO GET HER INFORMATION TO PUT ON THE AGENDA SO SHE CAN HYPERLINK IT.

SO YOU HAVE WHAT WE HAVE.

UM, SO I HOPE THAT HELPS.

I'LL BE GLAD TO RESPOND TO ANY EMAILS SAYING WE'RE DOING THIS QUICKLY.

UM, IT WAS CANCELED NOT ON OUR PART.

WE DIDN'T WANNA CANCEL IT.

WE'D LIKE TO GET THIS MOVING ON.

UM, THE NEGOTIATING IS SET UP TO SEE HOW BEST WE CAN HANDLE WHEN SOMEONE WANTS TO OPEN UP A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

I THINK YOU'LL TE HEAR FROM COUNCIL THAT'S A GOOD THING BECAUSE WE'RE ALWAYS WILLING TO MAKE THINGS BETTER AND I THINK THAT'S WHY COUNCIL PUT IT IN THE HANDS OF THESE VERY FINE MEN AND WOMEN, BUSINESS LEADERS, ELECTED OFFICIALS AND OTHER TO LOOK AND SEE WHERE WE CAN MAKE THINGS BETTER FOR THE TOWN.

UM, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I THINK I ANSWERED EVERYTHING THAT WAS THAT NEEDED AN ANSWER TO.

UM, WE DO HAVE OLD

[VI.1. A Request by Palmetto Bluff Development, LLC for a Fifth Amendment to the Palmetto Bluff Development Agreement and Second Amendment to the Palmetto Bluff Concept Plan to Provide for Dockside Fueling and a Second Dry Stack Boat Storage at the Big House Tract’s Anson Marina – Kevin Icard, Director of Growth Management]

IT WAS MAY, UM, WE SHOULD HAVE MET JULY OR AUGUST.

SO IT HAS BEEN PUSHED OUT A WHILE TO GIVE US A REAL QUICK UPDATE.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE DISCUSSION, ANY QUESTIONS ANYONE HAS, AND THEN I THINK THIS GROUP WANTS TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS OF OUR LEGAL, UM, DEPARTMENT BEFORE WE FIGURE THIS OUT.

MY HOPE IS TODAY IT'S DONE THAT THERE WILL BE A RECOMMENDATION MADE TO COUNCIL.

JUST BECAUSE A RECOMMENDATION IS MADE DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT'S SOLID COUNCIL GETS TO VOTE UP AND DOWN SO THERE IS YET DONE DOES IT GO BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION? SO IT GOES BACK TO COUNCIL.

SO, UH, COUNCIL CANNOT NEGOTIATE.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE.

SO WE WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.

WE WILL MEET AS A COUNCIL AND IT IS, I LIKE IT OR I DON'T LIKE IT.

SO EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION TODAY DOES NOT MEAN THAT THAT'S A DONE DEAL.

OKAY, KEVIN, THANK YOU MISS SUKA.

UM, SO THE PRESENTATION WISE, UM, JUST BRIEFLY JUST UM, KIND OF GO OVER WHAT THE REQUEST IS AGAIN, THIS IS THE, UH, REQUEST FOR THE FIFTH AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THAT'S TO PROVIDE THE DOCKSIDE FUELING AND THE SECOND DRY STACK STORAGE.

AND THEN IT'S ALSO THE SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE DRYS STACK STORAGE AND, UM, AND THE DOCKSIDE FUELING.

UM, ALL THE INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKET.

UM, YOU'D RE AT THE JANUARY, UH, MEETING THAT WE HELD, UM, THERE WAS A LETTER THAT WAS SENT BACK FROM THE APPLICANT, UH, WHERE THEY HAD REFERRED TO THE VARIOUS ITEMS THAT YOU HAD HAD REQUESTED, UH, THAT WAS PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKET AND I THINK IT WAS ACTUALLY MENTIONED AT, AT PUBLIC COMMENT.

SO, UM, I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THIS.

EVERYONE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY.

IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY SPECIFIC ITEM, I'M HAPPY TO GO TO THAT ITEM.

UM, I CAN ADDRESS IT OR THE APPLICANT, UH, IS HERE AND CAN ADDRESS IT AS WELL.

UM, FROM A UM, A TIMING STANDPOINT, UM, WE'VE HAD THE VARIOUS MEETINGS

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SO, UM, AGAIN, YOUR YOUR DUTIES ARE TO UM, TO EITHER MOVE THIS, UM, YOU CAN EITHER APPROVE THE REQUEST OR RECOMMEND APPROVE THE REQUEST, UH, RECOMMEND ANY, UH, APPROVE WITH AMENDMENTS OR TO DENY THE REQUEST.

UM, AND THAT WOULD GO BACK TO, UM, EITHER TOWN COUNCIL AND OR PLANNING COMMISSION IF, IF DEEMED THAT IT NEEDS TO GO BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR ANY VARIOUS REASONS.

SO, UM, I'M HAPPY TO PASS IT ON TO MR. FINGER IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.

WELL, BECAUSE I JUST ASKED WOULD GO BACK, IT COULD GO BACK.

WHY WOULD IT GO BACK TO PLANNING IT? THE ONLY REASON YOU'RE, YOU'RE, I'M SORRY.

OKAY.

IF, IF, IF THE NEGOTIATION NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT PLANNING COMMISSION HAS ALREADY DEALT WITH, YES IT WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO GO BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION.

YES.

OKAY.

I'D BE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THAT IN LEGAL, AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

UM, QUESTIONS IF YOU GET ANY UPDATES.

UM, THE, THE WAY WE ENDED IT IN MAY WAS WE BROUGHT FORTH OUR FAULTS THAT WE FELT WAS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE TOWN AND THEY HAD TO LEAVE.

THEY COULD NOT COUNTER TO THAT.

SO I'M, I'M EXPECTING WHAT MAYBE HAS BEEN SENT LEGALLY.

WE WILL HAVE A COUNTER TO THAT YES MA WHEN WE GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT AND THEN YES MA'AM.

PERHAPS BRING THE APPLICANT IN AFTER THAT.

IS THAT, DO Y'ALL SEE IT ANOTHER WAY? IS THAT GOOD? I'M ALL GOOD WITH THAT.

OKAY.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS OF KEVIN OR TERRY? ANYTHING YOU WANNA ADD FROM MAY JUST TO UPDATE ANYBODY WHO MADE NEW? I THINK THAT YOU ALL HAVE IT IN YOUR PACKAGE.

OKAY.

OKAY, GOOD.

I DON'T EXPECT THIS TO BE HANGING AROUND TILL FIVE, BUT I DO THINK WE WANNA TALK AND KIND OF REACQUAINT OURSELVES WITH WHAT'S GIVEN BACK TO US.

SO I WOULD THINK WE'LL BE IN THERE ABOUT 30 MINUTES AND WE'LL GATHER EVERYONE AND NEGOTIATE AND THEN DO WE COME OUT? WE WOULD COME OUT IF IT WAS AGREED UPON WITH A RECOMMENDATION.

CORRECT.

WE'LL KNOW.

OKAY, GOOD.

AND I TOOK SOME GOOD NOTES.

Y'ALL COULD BROUGHT SOME GOOD IDEAS THAT I HAD NOT THOUGHT ABOUT, UM, FROM PAST MEETINGS AND IF YOU SAW US LOOKING DOWN, I'D SEE EVERYBODY HAS NOTES ON THEIR AGENDA SO THEY WERE TAKING NOTES FROM PUBLIC COMMENTS.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.

OKAY, IS THERE A MOTION TO GO

[VIII. EXECUTIVE SESSION]

TRY STACK BOAT STORAGE AT BIG HOUSE TRACKS AND SOME MARINA THAT IS PURSUANT TO FOYA 34 70 A ONE MOTION HERE.

SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR STATEMENT SAYING AYE.

I OPPOSED, WE GOT THAT THERE.