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[1. Call to Order]
YOU GETTING UP IN THE DARK.UH, CAN YOU MAKE THE ROLL FLOW PLEASE? MR. LENNOX, MS. BECKER HERE, MR. AMES HERE, MR. BROWN HERE, MR. STANFORD HERE, MAYOR AND MR. HARKINS IS EXPECTED EXPECTED.
UH, WE IN COMPLIANCE THE FREEDOM INFORMATION ACT.
COULD YOU PLEASE JOIN ME IN A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? THANK YOU.
PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE, FIVE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA REPUBLIC, OR WHICH STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY JUSTICE.
WE HAVE SEVERAL ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.
[3. Discussion of the Workforce and Affordable Housing Strategies]
THE FIRST ONE ON HOUSING WILL BE US TALKING ABOUT THE FRAMEWORK FOR HOUSING WILL BE LIMITED TO A HALF AN HOUR BECAUSE THE MAIN PART OF TODAY'S MEETING HAD STARTED TO BE AND WILL END UP BEING, UM, ABOUT THE PARK.NOW, DAVID LOOKED AT ME AND HE SAYS, IT'S NOT GONNA BE HALF HOUR.
IT'LL BE A LITTLE MORE THAN A HALF AN HOUR.
UM, WE HAD OUR RETREAT LAST WEEK AND WITH GREAT CONSENSUS, EVERYBODY ON THE COUNCIL AGREED THAT ONE OF OUR TOP ITEMS WAS HOUSING, WAS HOUSING EXPANDED TO BE HOUSING, TRANSPORTATION BENEFITS, AND A WHOLE LOAD OF OTHER STUFF.
WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT HOW THE TOWN MANAGER ORDER, WE BUILDING A FRAMEWORK FOR US.
SO WE COULD TALK ABOUT HOUSING AND IMPLEMENT A PLAN AND HAVE A PLAN READY FOR NOVEMBER ONE, UH, ON, ON THE HOUSING PART OF IT, HAVE A GREAT DEAL.
TALK WITH SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS IN AND THE TOWN MANAGER.
IT'S NOT THE TOWN MANAGER'S JOB FOR LATEST PLAN OUT IS THE JOB OF THE COUNCIL PLAN OUT FRAMEWORK FOR THIS PLAN IS A JOB OF THE TOWN MANAGER TO IMPLEMENT WHAT THE COUNCIL LAYS OUT AS THE FRAMEWORK FOR THE PLAN.
AND WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO START WITH THE MAIN ITEMS THAT WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS WITH THE PLAN.
YOU CAN EXPAND THIS PLAN AS FAR AS YOU WANT YOUR MIND TO TALK ABOUT HOUSING AND TO TALK ABOUT, UM, HOMELESSNESS AND EVERYTHING, BUT LET'S STAY FOCUSED ON WHAT WE CAN DO BY THAT NOVEMBER ONE DATE.
THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT ARE REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THIS PROGRAM.
ONE IS THAT WE DO, WE BELIEVE IN IT.
AND I THINK THE COUNCIL IS UNANIMOUS THAT WE BELIEVE IN HOUSING.
WE SET UP TO IMPLEMENT THE HOUSING, WHETHER IT BE A HOUSING AUTHORITY OR WHATEVER.
AND THE THIRD IS THE, THE FINANCING PART OF IT, BECAUSE THE GREATEST PLAN IN THE WORLD, WE HAVE NO MONEY.
WE HAVE NO MEANS OF GETTING MONEY.
AND THE FOURTH, AND PROBABLY JUST AS IMPORTANT AS THE TOP TWO IS THAT WE NEED PUBLIC BUY-IN.
WE WANT THE PUBLIC TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS DECISION, NOT HANDFUL OF GROUPS LIKE WE DID BEFORE, BUT THE WHOLE ISLAND, WE NEED TO WORK OUT A PROGRAM WHERE THE WHOLE ISLAND IS TOUCHED BY THIS PLAN, MOVING FORWARD.
WE NEED TO CONSIDER HAVING A REFERENDUM AS PART OF THE FINANCING SO THE ISLAND CAN VOTE.
SO THE RESIDENCY CAN VOTE IT, WHAT WE ALL SPEND IN THEIR MONEY, IF ALMOST 40,000 PEOPLE LIVE HERE SHOULD VOTE ON HOW WE'RE GONNA SPEND THAT MONEY.
WE DECIDE THE FINANCING OF IT.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN ITSELF, UH, IN THE NEXT SIX, SEVEN WEEKS BY NOVEMBER ONE, WE ARE LOOKING TO PRESENT THE PUBLIC AND THE TOWN MANAGER WITH A PLAN THAT WE WOULD LIKE HIM TO IMPLEMENT ALONG THE WAY.
REALLY NOW I'D LIKE TO START OFF WITH THE, UM, WITH THE MANAGEMENT OF THE PLAN.
UM, WE CAN HAVE THE GREATEST PLAN IN THE WORLD, BUT WE NEED SOMEONE TO MANAGE IT.
AND THERE'S NO ONE IN THIS ROOM THAT'S GONNA MANAGE THE PLAN.
WE ARE NOT LOOKING FOR OUR CONSULTANTS TO MANAGE A PLAN.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR THEIR ADVICE AND SUGGESTIONS.
WE ARE PROBABLY LOOKING AT GOING OUT AND HIRING SOMEBODY TO MANAGE THE PLAN.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF GROUNDWORK TO BE DONE IN THE NEXT FIVE OR SIX WEEKS.
UM, SO THE OPTIONS ON AND MANAGEMENT OF IT IS DAVID.
WHY DON'T YOU TOUCH ON SOME OF THE MANAGEMENT OF THE PLAN? UM, I, I THINK THAT THERE'RE PROBABLY THREE DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS TO HEAD.
ONE IS WHERE THE TOWN SPONSORS A HOUSING AUTHORITY.
UM, THERE ARE, THERE IS THE BEAUFORD COUNTY HOUSING AUTHORITY AT THIS TIME, WHICH ALSO IS AN OPTION.
UH, THE SECOND IS, UM, TO HIRE,
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UH, AN OUTSIDE THIRD PARTY MANAGEMENT FIRM THAT DOES THIS ON A REGULAR BASIS.AND THE, THE FOURTH WOULD BE TO TRY TO DO IT IN HOUSE OR THE THIRD WOULD BE IN HOUSE.
I THINK FROM MY STANDPOINT, UM, IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT THAT THE PLAN, THE FRAMEWORK ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE SURVIVABILITY, THE SUSTAINABILITY OF A COMMUNITY HOUSING PROGRAM DEPENDS ON THE, UH, ABILITY OF THE TOWN SLASH ORGANIZATION TO MAINTAIN THE AFFORDABILITY WITHIN PROJECTS THAT ARE DEVELOPED.
SO IT DOESN'T SERVE OUR PURPOSES TO HAVE A WORKFORCE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAM THAT IN A NUMBER OF YEARS EXPIRES, WE'RE FACING THAT TODAY, COMPLICATED BY SHORT TERM RENTALS.
BUT, BUT WE'RE FACING THAT TODAY AS DEVELOPERS RECOGNIZE AN ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE AN EXISTING HOUSING, UH, PROJECT AND CHANGE IT INTO SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT HAS TRADITIONALLY BEEN WORKFORCE HOUSING.
SO I THINK WHATEVER WE COME UP WITH, WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE SUSTAINABILITY, THE RETENTION OF AFFORDABILITY IS KEY TO OUR SUCCESS.
THOMAS, YOUR THOUGHTS, UM, I'LL RESERVE THEM FOR A WHILE, RESERVE THEM FOR A WHILE.
WELL, TAMMY, YOU'RE NOT GONNA RESERVE ANYTHING RIGHT.
I'M GONNA DO SOME LISTENING FIRST.
WELL, FOR OUR RETURN ON INVESTMENT BILL, WHAT DO YOU THINK? WELL, UH, THREE THINGS FOR THE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT IN A VERY RESPECTFUL WAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE EXPERTISE, UH, WITHIN THE WALLS OF THE COMMON HALL.
UH, SECOND, UH, THIS IS GOING TO REQUIRE THREE THINGS.
IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE EXPERIENCE, UH, EXPERTISE AND ACCESS TO CAPITAL AND ACCESS TO CAPITAL WON'T WON'T BE AVAILABLE WITHOUT THE FIRST TWO.
SO I WOULD, UH, RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT THAT WE GO OUT TO SOME PROVEN PLAYERS, SEE IF WE LIKE THEM, IF THERE'S GOOD CHEMISTRY, GOOD CONFIDENCE, UH, AND PICK SOMEBODY TO RUN WITH, UH, OTHERWISE WE'RE GOING TO BE DILLY BATTLING ABOUT ANOTHER YEAR.
WE FREQUENTLY HEAR CRITICISM OF THE TOWN HIRING TOO MANY OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS.
UM, I DON'T LIKE TO HEAR THOSE COMMENTS BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE ARE NOT EXPERTS IN ALL THINGS.
UH, AND I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES HERE WHO HAVE SAID THAT WE DO NOT HAVE EXPERTISE IN MANAGEMENT OF A PROGRAM LIKE THIS.
AND SO I THINK THE IDEA OF FINDING AN EXPERT, UH, TO MANAGE THIS FOR US IS GOING TO BE VITAL TO ITS SUCCESS.
UM, AND I FOR ONE ARE WILLING TO FACE WHATEVER HEAT WE RECEIVE FROM OUR, UH, CITIZENRY ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE IT IS VITAL TO THE CONTINUED HEALTH OF THIS COMMUNITY THAT WE DEAL WITH THIS HOUSING ISSUE.
I HAVE COMMENTS ON, UM, THE FUNDING AND HOUSING TRUST.
AND, UH, DO YOU WANNA WAIT ON THOSE? GO BACK.
SLIDE DOWN ONE THING AT A TIME, RIGHT, RIGHT.
ALEX, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR ME TO LOOKING FOR YOUR COMMENTS ON A EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OR WHATEVER IT IS TO MANAGE THE PLAN? OKAY, PERFECT.
UM, I AGREE THAT WE, WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE THE STAFF CAPACITY TO MANAGE SUCH A PLAN.
UM, SO I, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF US HIRING SOMEONE.
UM, I'M NOT QUITE SURE THAT WE WANT IT TO BE AN OUTSIDE AGENCY BECAUSE I SEE THIS OPPORTUNITY FLOWING FROM THE FRAMEWORK TO NOVEMBER 1ST, FROM THERE TO BUDGET.
AND FROM THERE WE CONTINUE IT, UM, BECAUSE THIS, THIS HOUSING CRISIS THAT WE ARE IN IS NOT GONNA GO AWAY WITHIN A YEAR'S TIME, EVEN TWO YEARS TIME, IT'S GONNA BE A CONTINUUM.
UH, SO IN MY MIND, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE, UH, BOOTS ON THE GROUND THAT CONTINUE TO MANAGE THIS PROGRAM.
AND AT SOME POINT IT CAN BE HANDED OFF TO HOUSING AUTHORITY OR SUCH.
UM, BUT AT THE MOMENT, THE, THE NEED IS SO GRAVE THAT, UM, I'M INCLINED THAT WE HAVE SOMEONE HERE
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ALL THE TIME WORKING ON IT.THE CONSENSUS TIME YOU FINISH YOUR RESERVE.
WELL, I THINK WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT MANAGEMENT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MANAGEMENT OF THE OVERALL TOWN SPONSORED PLANT.
UH, I THINK THAT CAN BE ACCOMMODATED, UH, INTERNALLY AND MADE A PART OF A STRATEGY AND SUPPORT OF THE, THE TOWN STRATEGIC PLAN THAT ASIDE THERE'S ANOTHER SIDE OF MANAGEMENT AND THAT WOULD BE PROJECT MANAGEMENT.
UH, AND WE'VE GOT ONE COMING OFF THE DRAWING BOARD, UH, TO REALLY TEST IN THE FORM OF A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.
I THINK WE ALL AGREED AS WE STARTED THE REVIEW OF THE RESPONSES TO THE RFQ.
AND WE WILL PROBABLY TALK ABOUT MORE WHEN WE SEE THE RESPONSES TO THE RFP.
ONE OF THE ELEMENTS IN DETERMINING AT A PARTNER, UH, WAS THEIR ABILITY TO MANAGE THE PROJECT DURING CONSTRUCTION AND POST CONSTRUCTION.
SO I THINK WE'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT ELEMENTS OF THE IDEA OF MANAGEMENT ONE AS IT PERTAINS TO, UH, A TOWN SPONSORED PLAN ABOUT HOUSING AND SECONDLY, UH, PROJECT MANAGEMENT PRE-CONSTRUCTION AND POST-CONSTRUCTION OF INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS LIKE NORTHPOINT, DO A FAVOR OF A HOUSING AUTHORITY AND WHY OR WHY NOT? I DON'T KNOW.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE'RE, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION.
WHY TOM TO NAVIGATE ONE WAY THE OTHER, I, I, I THINK TOM BRINGS UP A VERY IMPORTANT FORM IF I MAY, BEFORE YOU START THERE THOUGH, I GET MY, MY, MY CHANCE.
UM, FIRST I'M NOT SURE WHAT TYPE OF PROJECT OR PROGRAM WE ARE LOOKING TO FIND A MANAGEMENT SCHEME TO WORK WITH.
SO TO ME, UM, I THINK SOME OF THAT PLAYS INTO WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE PLANNING ON THINKING THIS THROUGH HERE.
SECONDLY, THE IDEA OF HAVING SOMEONE IN HOUSE TO MANAGE A PROGRAM HOUSING PROGRAM TO ME SEEMS TO BE DRIFTING AWAY FROM OUR LIMITED GOVERNMENT, THAT HILTON HEAD ENJOYS.
AND SO EACH STEP THAT WE TAKE AWAY FROM THAT LIMITED GOVERNMENT PHILOSOPHY IN MY MIND WILL BE THE WRONG DIRECTION.
SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT WHAT IT IS THAT FOLKS ARE THINKING OF.
AS I WAS LISTENING TO YOU, MAYOR WHO HAD A NUMBER OF, UM, COMMENTS THAT WE ALSO HAVEN'T CONSIDERED FOR, AS LONG AS I'VE KNOWN US AS A BODY FROM THE BEGINNING, WE TALKED ABOUT TRANSPORTATION, I STILL THINK, AND I'M SURE THAT OTHERS MIGHT AS WELL THINK THAT TRANSPORTATION IS A CRITICAL ELEMENT, THAT WE'VE YET TO EXPLORE, FIND WAYS TO IMPLEMENT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE MEANINGFUL.
AND SO I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT MANAGEMENT OF A TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM.
I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT WHAT TYPE OF PROGRAM WE'RE MANAGING IS THIS ALL BY LAND, BUILD A HOUSE, OR BUILD A, A BUILDING AND SLOT PEOPLE INTO THEM.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THOSE FOLKS? WHEN THEY NO LONGER FIT INTO THE AFFORDABILITY OF THOSE PUBLIC HOUSING SITUATION WILL THEIR DOLLARS.
THEN PUT THEM IN A POSITION WHERE THEY CAN BUY AND ON HILTON HOOD LIKELY NOT.
SO WHERE DO THEY GO? I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR OWNERSHIP THROUGH HABITAT FOR HUMANITY.
YOU MENTIONED WE'RE IN THE MIDST OF DEVELOPING IDEAS AND CONCEPTS FOR WHERE WE GO WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS.
NEXT I'VE HEARD A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT IDEAS.
SOME OF THEM ARE WORTH EXPLORING.
THEY MAY HAVE IMPACTS IN TERMS OF HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT WORKFORCE HOUSING.
THERE'S THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE, AND WE DO, UM, WITH RE RESPECT TO THOSE WHO, UM, ARE ON OUR ISLAND THROUGH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, PROVIDE A STIPEND.
IS THAT SOMETHING YET TO EXPAND AND DISCUSS? SO WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT WHAT KIND OF MANAGEMENT PROGRAM WE NEED, I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IT IS WE'RE DOING AND WHAT ELEMENTS ARE WE OVERLOOKING BEFORE WE JUMP INTO ONE SINGULAR IDEA.
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THANK YOU.YOU SHOULD TALK TODAY AS HOW YOU THINK WE SHOULD RESOLVE THOSE ITEMS THAT YOU BROUGHT UP.
ASK THE POINT OF HAVING QUESTIONS.
WE'RE AT THE POINT OF WHAT ARE THE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS.
I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO DISCUSS.
I AGREE WITH YOU FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, BUT IT DOESN'T FIT INTO WHAT'S BEING DONE BETWEEN NOW AND NOVEMBER ONE.
WELL THAT IN AND OF ITSELF WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, UM, THE NUMBER THE NOVEMBER 1ST DEADLINE COMING OUT OF A STRATEGIC PLAN ONLY A WEEK AGO, YOU NEVER MAKE A MISTAKE BY TAKING A LONGER TIME TO COME TO A DECISION.
AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT EVERY TIME YOU DON'T DO THAT, YOU ARE INHERENTLY LINING YOUR STEP HEALTH FOR CONSEQUENCE AFTER CONSEQUENCE OF THE CONSEQUENCE THAT WASN'T CONTEMPLATED, WASN'T RESEARCH THOUGHT THROUGH AND THEN DECIDED ON.
SO THE NOVEMBER 1ST DATE IS ARTIFICIAL.
AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE CONS RECONSIDERED.
WELL, THAT'S NOT ALWAYS TRUE BECAUSE FOUR YEARS AGO WE TALKED ABOUT HOUSING FOUR YEARS AGO.
WE TALKED ABOUT HOUSING AND TRANSPORTATION, AND IT'S FOUR YEARS LATER AND WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING KIND OF A DATE AND WORK TOWARDS THOSE DATES.
EVEN IF YOU GOTTA MOVE THEM, IT'S A DATE THAT YOU CAN SEE IT ISN'T SOMETHING THAT WILL BE DONE LATER ON.
WELL, WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT TRANSPORTATION AND WHILE WE MAY HAVE A SMALL GROUP HERE, THAT APPEALS TO A CERTAIN IDEA, THERE'S A LARGER, ALMOST 40,000 MEMBER, UM, UH, RESIDENT BASE IN HILTON HEAD.
AND WE HAVE YET TO HEAR FROM THEM.
AND SO WITH REGARD TO THAT, I THINK THAT YOUR IDEA OF A REFERENDUM IS APPROPRIATE AND NECESSARY.
DAVID YOU, YEAH, I THINK TOM BROUGHT UP A VERY IMPORTANT POINT AND THAT IS, UH, THE DIFFERENCES OF MANAGEMENT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THE ONE I WAS REFERRING TO WAS THE STRATEGIC OR OVERARCHING MANAGEMENT OF A PROGRAM THAT HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF IMPLEMENTING HOUSING ON THIS ISLAND, NOT THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT THAT TOM ALSO REFERRED TO.
AND SO I THINK THAT THE, THE OVERARCHING RESPONSIBILITY ON A LONG TERM BASIS FOR THE RETENTION OF HOUSING HAS TO BE MORE THAN STAFF DRIVEN IT.
I THINK IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT CAN ON A, A DAILY BASIS, UH, UH, PERCEIVE OPPORTUNITY IN THE COMMUNITY BEFORE IT HAS ALREADY PASSED.
AND THEN SECONDLY, RECEIVE FUNDS FROM ANY NUMBER OF SOURCES AND DIRECT THEM TO SPECIFIC PROJECTS THAT IT HAS DETERMINED HAVE THE GREATEST VIABILITY TO BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY AND THE, THE IT'S THE COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
IT, ISN'T JUST ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT ISN'T JUST WORKFORCE HOUSING.
IT'S CREATING A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE AND GROW WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SO MANY EXAMPLES OF COMMUNITY LEADERSHIP TODAY WHO CAME UP THROUGH WORKFORCE HOUSING AND PROGRESSED THROUGH THIS COMMUNITY.
AND THAT'S THE KIND OF COMMUNITY BUILDING THAT THIS PROGRAM OUGHT TO HAVE AS A BASIS.
IT'S NOT JUST ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WORKFORCE HOUSING IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT, BUT THE, THE, THE TRUE BENEFIT IS THAT YOU CREATE PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE AND GROW WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I, I AM LEAPING AHEAD WITHOUT ENOUGH INFORMATION TO SAY THAT A STRONG ORGANIZATION HAS TO BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH THE MONEY, THE PLANNING, THE OPPORTUNITIES AND THE IMPLEMENTATION.
I WILL REACT TO THE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE, THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING IN FOUR YEARS.
ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO, WE HIRED A HOUSING CONSULTANT WHO HAD NATIONAL EXPERTISE IN WORKFORCE HOUSING.
WE LISTENED TO THAT CONSULTANT, CERTAIN RECOMMENDATIONS WERE MADE.
WE ADOPTED THOSE, THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS INTO LAW AND THEY DIDN'T WORK.
SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING HARD TO TRY TO FIND THE RIGHT FORMULA, AND THAT WAS NOT THE RIGHT FORMULA.
UM, OUR TOWN MANAGER TOLD ME EARLY ON IN HIS CAREER WITH US THAT, UH, BONUS DENSITY DOESN'T WORK WELL.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THEORETICALLY IT WOULD WORK, BUT IT DIDN'T.
AND SO NOW WE HAVE HIT ON THIS CONCEPT OF THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, WHICH I'M VERY ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT.
AND I THINK WE MAY BE ON THE ROAD TO SUCCESS WITH THAT ON A TOTALLY DIFFERENT SUBJECT.
I HAVE A, I SEE NEGATIVE BAGGAGE WITH THE CONCEPT OF HOUSING AUTHORITY.
HOUSING AUTHORITY TENDS TO CARRY WITH IT, THE CONCEPT OF SECTION EIGHT, HOUSING, UH, AND WAREHOUSING PEOPLE.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE ABOUT HERE.
AND SO I HOPE WE CAN FIND SOME TERMINOLOGY THAT IS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH HOUSING AUTHORITIES.
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THIS.I APPRECIATE THE CHALLENGE YOU'VE PUT BEFORE US, JOHN AND I WILL WORK TO TRY TO GET IT DONE AS YOU HAVE ASKED US TO DO BY NOVEMBER THE FIRST.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO, IF YOU COULD SAY, I WANT TO DO THIS FIRST ONE SECOND.
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO WITH REGARD TO MANAGEMENT? NO, THE WHOLE PROCESS HERE, THE MANAGEMENT, THE EDUCATION.
I THINK WE NEED TO DECIDE THE SOURCES OF FUNDING FOR THIS FIRST.
UM, I, I THINK THAT THERE IS APPEAL TO A REFERENDUM, UM, AND WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THAT.
UM, I MENTIONED AT OUR PREVIOUS MEETING THAT I SEE AN OPPORTUNITY IN SOME FUNDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US, UH, THROUGH ARPA AND THE COUNTY WHERE WE COULD SEED A, UH, OUR OWN LOCAL HOUSING TRUST FUND.
UH, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE IDEA OF A REGIONAL TRUST FUND BECAUSE I DON'T SEE HILTON HEAD ISLAND EVER QUALIFYING FOR THOSE FUNDS.
AT ONE POINT, I SUGGESTED THAT NO COMMUNITY SHOULD GET A SECOND PROJECT THROUGH THE REGIONAL TRUST FUND UNTIL ALL COMMUNITIES HAD BENEFITED FROM THE TRUST FUND.
AND THAT WAS REJECTED BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE OTHER COMMUNITIES SAY HILTON HEAD IS RICH.
LET THEM TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES.
WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF OURSELVES, OR AT LEAST THAT'S MY PERCEPTION OF IT IN ANY EVENT.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT WE NEED WE'RE ON THE RIGHT ROAD RIGHT NOW, UH, AND THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT CONSULTANTS TO HELP US WITH A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.
UM, WE NEED TO HAVE A SERIOUS DEBATE ABOUT WHETHER WE WANT TO HAVE A REFERENDUM OR NOT.
UH, AND IF NOT, HOW WE, WE WOULD SECURE THE FUNDING.
UH, BUT TO ME, STARTING WITH A LOCAL TRUST FUND, UM, WHICH COULD BE FUNDED WITH HALF A MILLION DOLLARS THAT THE TOWN IS DUE FROM THE COUNTY.
UM, I, I WANNA REACT TO THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE HAVING AT THE MOMENT, UM, AND START WITH, UM, WITH YOUR COMMENT, MR. MAYOR, AS TO WHAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS, UM, COUNCILMAN STANFORD'S RIGHT.
WE, WE, WE HIRED AN EXPERT TO COME IN AND GIVE US SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.
ONE OF WHICH WAS THAT WE START A FUNDING SOURCE.
LET'S JUST DO A LITTLE MATH HERE.
UM, WE CAN, AS A MUNICIPALITY IMPLEMENT A ONE MILL ON OUR PROPERTY TAX.
IF WE HAD DONE THAT FOUR YEARS AGO, WE WOULD'VE HAD $4 MILLION IN THE BANK TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AROUND THAT ONE MILL, JUST SO IT IS RELATIVE TO US WITH THE POPULATION ABOUT 40,000.
I DUNNO, WHAT'S THAT LIKE $25 FOR THE YEAR ON OUR PROPERTY TAX BILL.
WE PROBABLY SPENT THAT THIS MORNING AT STARBUCKS, TRYING TO WAKE UP, THE ONLY WAY WE ARE GONNA MOVE FORWARD IS IF WE HAVE FUNDING TO ASSIST WITH THE PROGRAM.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT FUNDING LOOKS LIKE IN TERMS OF HOW WE SPEND IT AT THE MOMENT, BUT WE GOTTA HAVE MONEY IN ORDER TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
BUT AT THIS POINT I WOULD ASK THAT WE EMPLOY THE TOWN MANAGER TO AT LEAST WITHIN HIS FRAMEWORK, GIVE US SOME IDEAS OF WHAT THIS MAY COST.
I MEAN, THE CERTIFI REPORT SAID THAT WE NEEDED 2000 UNITS.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE GOING RATE PER UNIT IS TODAY, BUT LET'S PUT THAT IN THE FRAMEWORK.
HOW MANY ACRES IS GONNA TAKE US TO GET TO THAT UNIT COUNT? THAT COULD BE IN THE FRAMEWORK, SOME IDEAS AS TO HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST US TO HAVE A HOUSING AUTHORITY ON THE SIDE COULD BE IN THE FRAMEWORK, BUT GIVE US SOME NUMBERS TO REACT TO VERSUS US REACTING TO IT EMOTIONALLY.
AND I, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT THE MOMENT.
SO I, I JUST WANTED TO OFFER THAT AS PART OF THE FRAMEWORK DISCUSSION.
UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE BURDEN OF THIS DOESN'T REST A HUNDRED PERCENT ON THE LOCAL POPULATION, RIGHT? UM, YES.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THIS COMMUNITY TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE TO SOLVE AS A COMMUNITY.
SO YES, I THINK THE COMMUNITY HAS TO STEP UP AND PAY, BUT THERE'S O THERE ARE OTHER SO SOURCES OF LOCAL COUNTY, STATE, AND FEDERAL DOLLARS THAT CAN BE PUT INTO THE PIE.
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UM, THERE ARE FOUNDATIONS, THERE ARE CORPORATIONS.UM, THERE IS THE CONTRIBUTION OF TOURISTS THROUGH HOSPITALITY TAX THAT, THAT OPENS UP OPPORTUNITIES.
SO I THINK THAT SOLVING THE PROBLEM FROM A FUNDING SOURCE, WE FIRST HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF LAYERS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US, BUT WHO'S GOING TO DEAL WITH THAT ON A DAILY BASIS.
THAT'S WHY I GO TOWARDS SOME KIND OF AN ORGANIZATION THAT HAS ITS ITS RESPONSIBILITY TO FER FERT OUT THOSE OPPORTUNITIES AND TO GO FOR THEM.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF HOUSING AUTHOR IS THE WRONG TERM OR NOT CLAIM, BUT IT'S, IT IS A MANAGEMENT ORGANIZATION THAT IS COMMITTED TO IMPLEMENTING THE PROGRAM.
MAYOR, IF I COULD PICK UP ON A COUPLE OF THINGS, PLEASE.
THANK YOU TO, UM, THE COMMENT OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS AND WHAT, UM, GLEN, I WANNA ADD TO WHAT YOU HAD TO SAY, THAT WE HAVE CURRENT EXAMPLES OF SUCCESSES THAT WERE ABLE TO TAKE PLACE BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE, UM, PIECES THAT THE TOWN HELPED PUT TOGETHER AT THE BEAUFORT COUNTY, UM, COUNCIL MEETING JUST MONDAY NIGHT, THERE WAS, UM, UH, PROCLAMATIONS THAT WERE PROVIDED JR RICHARDSON AND HIS WHAT LOVELY WIFE RECEIVED ONE, UM, ED FLYNN DID NOT RECEIVE ONE, BUT ED FLYNN HAS DONE THE SAME SORT OF DEVELOPMENT OVER OFF OF MARSHLAND ROAD.
C PINES HAS DONE A SIMILAR TYPE OF PROGRAM.
WE HAVE HEALTH AND WELLNESS CENTER DOING SPENDING 3 MILLION OF THEIR MONEY TO PROVIDE WORKFORCE HOUSING FOR EMPLOYEES.
THEY, AND IF, AND IF I RETURN BACK TO THE FIRST, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT EVENING, THAT PROPERTIES THAT ARE BEING UTILIZED ON THE ISLAND AND REDEVELOPED FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING THROUGH THAT PRIVATE SECTOR, IT INDEED IS WORKING.
IT MAY HAVE TAKEN A WHILE, BUT IT INDEED IS WORKING.
AND I THINK ENCOURAGING ADDITIONAL ONE PROGRAMS LIKE THAT TO GRAB, HOLD BE DEVELOPED IS SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY SHOULD NOT SHORT SELL, THAT WE OUGHT TO PRAISE THEM, ENCOURAGE ADDITIONAL PROJECTS LIKE THAT TO TAKE PLACE AND TO, UM, SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT.
I ALSO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE ANOTHER COMMENT THAT WAS MADE $25 MAY NOT SEEM A LOT TO THOSE FOLKS IN THIS ROOM, BUT $25 ON EVERYONE'S TAX BILL, NOT JUST THE RICH AND FAMOUS DOES MEAN SOMETHING.
NOT EVERYBODY GOES TO STARBUCKS IN THE MORNING AND DROPS 25 BUCKS WITHOUT THINKING OF IT.
EVERY DOLLAR THAT EVERY PERSON HAS IS IMPORTANT TO THEM.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE MAY NOT TAKE FOR, UH, FOR GRANTED.
AND THEN THERE WAS ONE LAST THING, UM, THAT I WANTED TO PICK UP ON WITH REGARD TO COMMUNITY, THOSE WHO HAVE LISTENED TO ME TALK ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
AND JUST LAST WEEK AT THE STRATEGIC PLAN KNOWS ONE OF MY BIGGEST ISSUES WITH HOUSING, UM, AS WE'RE BARRELING DOWN THE ROAD ON, IS THAT WE'RE NOT PLANNING FOR COMMUNITY AND THAT WE'RE NOT TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE PEOPLE WHO WI AND I THOUGHT I REFERENCED THIS AS I WAS TALKING ABOUT, THEN WHAT, WHEN YOU'VE GOTTEN TO A PLACE WHERE THOSE AFFORDABLE HOMES YOU'VE EXCEEDED THAT, AND YOU'VE GROWN AND YOU'VE BUILT A DEPTH OF WEALTH, AND YOU WANT YOUR FAMILY TO HAVE THE NEXT STEP IN LIFE HERE OF THE AMERICAN DREAM, THEN WHAT, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE FOCUSED AT.
THAT'S WHERE I'M FOCUSED AT IS THAT TYPE OF COMMUNITY THAT BUILDS THOSE OPPORTUNITIES.
AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO PROVIDE THAT WITH A LOT OF APARTMENT STYLE RENTALS, WHERE PEOPLE GO, THEY DROP THEIR HEADS AT NIGHT, THEY WAKE UP IN THE MORNING AND THEY COME OUT OUT AND THEY SERVE US AND THEY CLEAN OUR HOMES AND THEY CUT OUR GRASS AND THEY TEACH OUR CHILDREN.
WE CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING.
UM, AND I'LL, THEN I'LL MENTION BECAUSE IT IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE PROGRAMS, UM, HABITAT FOR HUMANITY.
WHAT WOULD YOU SUGGEST THAT WE DO? WHAT WOULD I SUGGEST THAT WE DO? YES.
I THINK THAT WE SHOULD THINK THAT WE SHOULD CONTINUE DOWN THE ROAD, THAT WE HAVE FIND DIFFERENT WAYS TO BRING IN ADDITIONAL, UM, PRIVATE, UM, RESOURCES TO BUILD AND TO PROVIDE THAT WE LOOK WHERE WE CAN TO HELP SUPPORT, UM, HOME OWNERSHIP AND THAT WE LOOK SERIOUSLY
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AT THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR TRANSPORTATION, TRANSPORTATION, UM, MAY SOLVE A COUPLE OF PROBLEMS FOR US, RIGHT? IT MAY SOLVE THE PROBLEM OF A PARK AND RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BRIDGE SOMEWHERE AND REDUCE THE TRAFFIC ON OUR 2 78 CORRIDOR.WOULDN'T THAT BE A BLESSING AND NOT VERY EXPENSIVE EITHER.
SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS WE'RE NOT GONNA SOLVE IT ALL HERE IN THIS MEETING.
BUT EVERY TIME THROUGHOUT THE YEARS OF MY WORKING WITH ALL EVERYONE I'VE ASKED FOR OPPORTUNITIES LIKE THIS, WHERE WE COULD DROP IDEAS IN THE CENTER OF THE TABLE AND BRAINSTORM, AND THEN SORT IT OUT AND THINK IT THROUGH AND MAYBE COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT IDEA BECAUSE WITHIN THERE, YOU'RE GOING TO FIND A GOOD ANSWER.
I DON'T HAVE IT FOR YOU THIS SECOND, BUT I HAVE LOTS OF IDEAS, THOMAS, JOHN, I THINK, UH, I THINK THE WAY DAVID DESCRIBED THE DEVELOPMENT IMPLEMENTATION AND MANAGEMENT OF A, AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, PROGRAM LAST WEEK MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
I, I LIKE EVERYTHING ABOUT THE WAY HE DESCRIBED THAT.
I THINK WE CAN BUILD IT INTO THE TOWN PLAN AND FIND AN EFFECTIVE WAY TO MANAGEMENT THE NOVEMBER 1ST DATE, HOWEVER, BOTHERS ME.
AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY, IF YOU RECALL, UH, REVIEWING THE RESPONSES TO THE R FQS, THERE WAS A LOT IN THOSE RESPONSES THAT I HAD NEVER HEARD ABOUT AS IT PERTAINS TO DEVELOPING AND MANAGING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND THAT'S REAL GOOD INFORMATION.
AND I THINK THE WAY THE RFP WAS WRITTEN AND ISSUED, IT'S GOING TO REFINE THAT EVEN MORE.
AND I ANTICIPATE WE'RE GOING TO GET A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION AS IT PERTAINS TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND MANAGEMENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I WOULD ASSUME THAT SOME OF THOSE IDEAS CAN BE INCORPORATED INTO WHAT DAVID DESCRIBED LAST WEEK.
SO I THINK, UH, WE'RE GETTING OUT OVER OUR SKIS A LITTLE BIT, UH, IN, IN CLEARLY THE DEFINING THAT NOVEMBER 1ST DATE, UH, I PERSONALLY WOULD RATHER WAIT UNTIL WE GET WHATEVER RESPONSES WE GET FROM THE RFP AND, AND GLEAN THE IDEAS OUT OF THERE AND SEE HOW THEY FIT HILTON HEAD ISLAND AND OUR NEEDS AND SEE HOW THEY FIT THE NEEDS OF US AS THE PUBLIC, UH, PARTNER AND THE DEVELOPER THAT WE ULTIMATELY CHOOSE AS THE PRIVATE PARTNER, UH, TO DO SOMETHING RIGHT NOW, UH, MIGHT BE A SHORTCUT TO WHAT WE MIGHT SEE IN THE RESPONSES AND THE INTERVIEWS WITH POTENTIAL DEVELOPERS.
LET ME APPROACH IT A DIFFERENT WAY.
IT SEEMS THAT ONE OF THE MOST EQUALLY IMPORTANT ITEMS ON THE LIST IS EDUCATION.
IF ANYTHING, WE COULD START NOW IN PUTTING TOGETHER AN EDUCATIONAL VEHICLE AS TO WHATEVER WE DECIDE TO DO, BE ABLE TO GET THE EDUCATION OUT THERE.
JOHN, WE SAT IN HERE IN MARCH IN THIS SAME CONFIGURATION AND MARK DESCRIBED, UH, WHAT WAS A BRAND NEW CONCEPT IN THE HISTORY OF THE TOWN.
AND THAT IS DOING A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WHERE WE HAVE, UH, LAND ASSETS AND WE HAVE A MILLION DOLLARS IN THE BUDGET ALLOCATED IN SOME WAY, UH, FOR THE HOUSING EFFORT.
UH, AND EVER SINCE THAT THERE HAS BEEN CONTINUING COMMUNICATION WITH THE COMMUNITY AND EDUCATION, I THINK, AND THERE HAS BEEN ACCEPTANCE ALL THE WAY.
UH, SO I THINK THE COMMUNITY IS READY AND I THINK THE MOVEMENT AND THE MOMENTUM WE HAVE WITH THIS PROJECT, UH, WHEN DO WE GET THE RESPONSES BY THE FIRST WEEK OF OCTOBER? YES, SIR.
AND THAT INFORMATION IS GOING TO BE ENORMOUSLY VALUABLE IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF DAVID'S PLANT BILL.
I THINK FIRST, I THINK WE HAVE TO STAND TALL AS A COUNCIL AND HAVE A, A VOTE THAT WE DO HAVE A PROBLEM.
NUMBER ONE, I'M TRYING TO GIVE YOU A T YOU'RE ASKING FOR SOMETHING TANGIBLE.
UH, SECOND IS, UM, I THINK WE HAVE TO PUT SOME METRICS OUT THERE.
WHAT'S THE SIZE OF THE PROBLEM.
AND THEN REALISTICALLY, WHAT PERCENT OF THE PROBLEM ARE WE GOING TO TARGET? SO WE START CREATING A GOAL WITH SOME ACCOUNTABILITY,
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UH, COMMUNITY EDUCATION, I THINK IS CRITICAL.I MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING AND I THINK IT'S STILL TRUE.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE SUPPORTIVE, PROBABLY A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM HERE IN THE AUDIENCE, BUT THERE'S COULD BE AN EQUAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE, NOT IN THE ROOM THAT ARE SAYING NOT IN MY BACKYARD.
AND I THINK THE, THE KEY MESSAGE IN EDUCATION IS THAT YES, THERE IS A ECONOMIC BENEFIT FOR TAKING ACTION, BUT THERE'S ALSO AN ECONOMIC PENALTY FOR NOT TAKING ACTION.
SO THAT SHOULD BE THE ESSENCE OF THE EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM.
UH, I, I THINK, UH, I SAID EARLIER, UH, WORK FOR THE PUBLIC PRIVATE, UM, UH, MODEL AND BRING IN PEOPLE WITH EXPERIENCE AND EXPERTISE.
UH, THAT'S SAID, I THINK IT'S SOME IMPORTANT TO HAVE SOME BOOTS ON THE GROUND WITH ONE PERSON HERE THAT CAN KEEP MANAGING.
SO, UH, I THINK TOM ARTICULATED THAT, THAT, WELL, UH, I, I THINK WE SHOULD, UM, NOW, UH, WITH LESSONS LEARNED, UH, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GLEAN, I THINK THE SALIENT POINTS THAT ARE, UH, THAT WE'RE LEARNING FROM, UH, THIS POST OFFICE PROJECT I CALL, UH, AND THEN, UH, WITH THAT INFORMATION, GO OUT INTO THE MARKETPLACE AND ASK FOR PEOPLE AGAIN THAT HAVE THE EXPERIENCE, THE EXPERTISE IN THE ACCESS.
AND THEN IN TERMS OF SOURCES, THERE'S OPERATING, YOU NEED, YOU NEED MONEY FOR OPERATIONS, FOR AN ONGOING CONCERN AND YOU NEED MONEY FOR CATTLE.
SO WHAT, WHAT CAN WE DO THERE? UH, WE HAVE, WE HAVE LAND, UH, NOT, NOT, NOT A HUGE AMOUNT, BUT WE DO HAVE LAND AVAILABLE.
WE CAN MONETIZE THAT AND BECOME A PARTNER IN A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.
AND WHEN I SAY MONETIZE THAT WE MAY NOT GO TO MARKET RATE BECAUSE THAT MAY, UH, COME UP WITH, UM, ACCOUNTING, UH, CONSEQUENCES THAT MAKE THIS A NOVO SITUATION.
SO WE, IF WE START USING SOME OF OUR LAND BELOW MARKET VALUE, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT NOT TO DO AN ACCOUNTING ANALYSIS.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO DO AN ECONOMIC ANALYSIS AND, UH, THAT ECONOMIC ANALYSIS CLEAR THAT, UH, WORKFORCE HOUSING, UH, CAN DO TWO THINGS.
IT CAN, UH, HELP PEOPLE, UH, MAINTAIN THEIR JOB.
UH, AND IT ALSO MAY CREATE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A JOB TO GET A JOB VERY IMPORTANT.
UH, THE, UH, I THINK IN TERMS OF, UH, SOURCES OF FUNDS, CAPITAL AND OPERATING AGAIN, I THINK LAND IS THE FIRST BUCKET.
WE MONETIZE THAT, UH, SECOND, UH, A, A 1% TAX, UH, AS, UH, WE WERE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, IF WE, IF WE DID THAT, UH, THE COMMENT WAS, UH, MADE THAT WE COULD HAVE 4 MILLION IN, IN THE PIGGY BANK, ONE MILL PER ONE MILL, RIGHT? ONE MILL FOR ONE MILL EQUALS 1 MILLION.
IF WE DID IT FOR FOUR YEARS, IT'D BE 4 MILLION, BUT IT GOES WELL BEYOND THAT.
AND I'M LOOKING AT TOM AS THE BANKER, BUT IF YOU HAVE A PREDICTABLE REVENUE STREAM, UH, YOU CAN DO A MULTIPLE ON THAT.
AND TOM, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY THE MULTIPLE WOULD BE ON THAT? IT DEPENDS ON HOW LONG THE TAX OR THE MILL IS ON.
IF ONE MILL WAS ON 25 YEARS AS JOHN TROYER IN THE ROOM,
AND YOU, YOU COULD DO THAT AGAIN, TANGIBLE THINGS TO DO NOW, UH, THAT THAT'S THAT'S THERE.
UH, THEN, UH, THE OTHER COMMENT, THE OTHER BUCKET WOULD BE, UH, HUM OF SORT OF A PRY PUBLIC, UH, FOUNDATIONS, OTHER GOVERNMENTAL, UH, OPPORTUNITIES.
UM, AND IN THE LAST, IN THE BIGGEST IS GOING TO BE PRIVATE CAPITAL AND PRIVATE CAPITAL.
UNLESS WE HAVE A CIRCLE AROUND ALL OF THESE SOURCES OF FUNDS, UH, THEN PRIVATE CAPITAL IS GONNA PUSH BACK AND SAY, THIS IS TOO RISKY.
BUT IF WE GET THIS ORGANIZED, LIKE I'M SAYING, PRIVATE CAPITAL IS NOT GONNA, AND THAT'S WHY NORTH POINT IS SO EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
IF THAT IS A SUCCESS, THAT WORD WILL SPREAD NATIONWIDE.
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ALEX.UM, I WANT TO RUN THROUGH MY LIST BECAUSE YOU ASKED THE QUESTIONS AS TO DIRECTION.
UM, BUT BEFORE I DO SO I'M, I'M, I'M STILL IN FAVOR OF THE, UH, 1ST OF NOVEMBER DEADLINE SIMPLY BECAUSE, UM, S IS RIGHT.
WE'VE GOT THIS PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP DEAL ON THE TABLE, BUT THINGS CONTINUE TO HAPPEN.
I MEAN, CHIMNEY COVE WAS THE REASON THAT WE ARE HERE TODAY.
SO THERE'RE GONNA BE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THREATS WITHIN OUR REALM THAT WE ARE NOT PREPARED FOR AT THE MOMENT.
AND UNLESS WE PUT SOME STUFF IN OUR TOOLBOX WILL BE CAUGHT WITH OUR PANTS DOWN AGAIN.
SO FUNDING, UM, THE WHOLE IDEA OF MANAGEMENT VERSUS, UM, THE TOWN INTERNALLY AND OUTSIDE WITH, WITH PROJECTS, UH, YOU KNOW, US FIGURING IF A HOUSING AUTHORITY MAKES SENSE.
UM, I AGREE WITH YOU, MR. MAY, AS FAR AS THE COMMUNICATION IS CONCERNED.
UM, AND, AND AGAIN, NOT JUST EMOTIONAL COMMUNICATION, BUT TO COUNCILMAN HAWKINS POINT METRICS THAT WE CAN GET OUR ARMS AND HEADS WRAPPED AROUND.
AS FAR AS THE THREAT THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY, OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE HERE ON HILTON HEAD AFFECTS OUR BRAND AND IT STARTS TO DETERIORATE DAILY BECAUSE OF OUR LACK OF A QUALIFIED WORKFORCE, UM, MOVING FORWARD.
UM, AND THE, THE LAST IS, UH, YOU KNOW, STAFF CAPACITY.
UM, YOU KNOW, MR. ORLANDO HAS DONE SUCH A GREAT JOB WITH, UH, PUTTING US IN A POSITION WHERE WE ARE REFERRING TO OUR STRAP PLAN ALL THE TIME.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, WHEN WE, UH, WHEN WE VOTE ON ORDINANCES, UH, THAT ARE COMING OUTTA THAT STRAP PLAN, WE DON'T HAVE THIS TYPE OF CROWD.
WHY, BECAUSE WE ALREADY KNOW THAT WE NEED TO DO THOSE THINGS, AND WE'VE GOT A PLAN TO DO 'EM.
AND I WANT TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE FOLKS IN THE CROWD, ING US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH HOUSING.
WE DO THAT IS WE PUT A STAKE IN THE GROUND AND SAY, HEY, LET'S PUT A FRAMEWORK TOGETHER SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON THIS.
UM, AND THE LAST THING I'LL SAY, UM, I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH COUNCIL COUNCILWOMAN REBECCA'S, UM, REFERENCE TO BUILDING COMMUNITY THROUGH HOUSING BECAUSE THE, THE ONE DEVELOPER THAT SHE LEFT OUT WAS MR. BARNWELL THAT GOT A PROCLAMATION ON MONDAY.
BUT, BUT THE POINT IS SORRY, MR. BARNWELLS DEVELOPMENT IS THE ONLY ONE THAT GOES IN THE DIRECTION THAT SHE DESCRIBES AS FAR AS BUILDING COMMUNITY.
IT'S NOT A J ONE VISA DEVELOPMENT.
IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS TO COME IN, START UP AND MOVE ON.
AND I'D ALSO ADD THAT IT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT THE OWNER VISITS EVERY MORNING.
CAUSE HE'S INTERESTED IN BUILDING COMMUNITY BEFORE HE GO.
UH, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DO A REFEREND.
THE REASON I'M SAYING THAT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE GET THE BIG BUCKS TO TRY TO LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY, TO ANALYZE AND COME UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS THAT SAID, WE CAN'T BE DISMISSIVE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY.
WE NEED TO ROLL UP OUR SLEEVES AND HAVE A REAL SOUND, UH, EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM SO THAT, UH, EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY CAN COME UP TO OUR LEVEL OF UNDERSTANDING.
AND HOPEFULLY YOU CAN GO BEYOND THAT.
UH, BUT I VIEW A REFERENDUM AS A, A SLOW DOWN, UM, UNWITTINGLY.
AND I THINK EXACTLY DIFFERENT THAN BILL.
I THINK THE COMMUNITY HAS AN, SHOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE THEIR MONEY.
THEY SHOULD HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY UP OR DOWN, IT SHOULDN'T BE THE SEVEN PEOPLE AT THIS TABLE.
AND SOME INFLUENCES TO TELL THEM WHAT TO DO.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL GO ON FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
AND WE UNDER UNDERESTIMATE THE COMMUNITY WE HAVE HERE, AND A REFERENDUM BRINGS MORE PEOPLE TO THE TABLE THAN ALL THE MEETINGS WE COULD HAVE OTHERWISE.
AND REFERENDUM DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ON AN ELECTION DATE.
IT COULD BE JANUARY 15TH OF NEXT YEAR.
THERE'S NO WALK UNTIL NOVEMBER DAVID.
YEAH, MAYOR, UH, I, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENT.
I THINK, UM, ALTHOUGH I MAY SIDE WITH MR. HARKIN'S, UH, UH, DIRECTION, UH, I, I THINK IT'S PREMATURE FOR US TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO BE NECESSARY.
UH, IT MAY BE NECESSARY TO HAVE BOTH, WE DON'T KNOW TODAY, BUT I WILL SAY FROM MY OWN PERSONAL STANDPOINT, THAT HOUSING IS SO CRITICAL TO THIS ISLAND THAT THE SEVEN OF US HAVE TO COME TO GRIPS WITH HOW WE'RE GOING TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.
AND IF THAT SAYS THAT WE NEED ONE MILL
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TO BE DEDICATED TO HOUSING, THEN I THINK WE TAKE THAT STEP AND LEAD MAYOR, IF TWO THINGS JUST REALLY QUICKLY WE'RE WELL OVER OUR 30 MINUTES.BUT, UM, SO I'M GONNA TAKE MY TWO MINUTES.
FIRST OF ALL, MR. BARNWELL, MY DEEPEST APOLOGY.
I KNOW THAT YOUR FAMILY WAS THERE AND I JUST DIDN'T HAVE A CLEAR ON MY NOTES.
THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS I JUST SCRIBBLED DOWN AND I LOST TRACK.
MR. BARNWELL IS ALSO, AS ALEX MENTIONED, BEEN IN THE HOUSING MARKET, UM, DOING GOOD WORK ON THE ISLAND FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
SO I WANTED TO APPRECIATE, UM, HIM AND HIS EFFORTS, BUT IN TERMS OF, UM, THE REFERENDUM, NON REFERENDUM, JOHN YOU'RE RIGHT.
UM, EVERYWHERE ON THIS ISLAND SHOULD HAVE A VOICE.
AND IF WE HAVE A TABLE OF SINGULAR THOUGHT, THEN NOT EVERYONE HAS A VOICE.
AND SO A REFERENDUM OUT TO THE COMMUNITY IS THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO GET THERE.
UH, WELL, I'M, I'M TAKING IT ALL IN.
UM, LO IS IT LAST THURSDAY? TODAY'S WEDNESDAY, UH, YOU, YOU ALL ASKED AT THE STRATEGIC PLAN WORKSHOP FOR A FRAMEWORK.
AND SINCE THEN I'VE BEEN TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND IT.
AND I THINK THAT THIS DISCUSSION HELP HELPS A LOT.
SO HOW DO I TAKE ALL OF THIS INFORMATION AND BRING YOU BACK WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ME TO DO? AND, AND SO FAR, I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN ANY ANYONE'S, YOU KNOW, PLACE, BUT IF YOU'D LIKE A FRAMEWORK BY NOVEMBER ONE CLARITY, WHEN I LEAVE TODAY IS ESSENTIAL.
I HEARD A WORD AND I THINK THAT THAT'S, WHAT'S MISSING.
THE STRATEGIC PLAN IS SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO US.
IT, IT STOPS EVERYBODY WONDERING WHAT BUSINESS WE'RE IN, RIGHT? I ALWAYS SAY, IF YOU WANT TO BE IN THE BUSINESS, GET IN THE BUSINESS, YOU WANT TO BE IN HOUSING, HIRE SOMEONE THAT KNOWS HOUSING.
YOU WANT SOMEONE YOU WANNA BE IN PLANNING, ENGINEERING, CAPITAL PROJECTS, HIRE SOMEONE THAT KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
AND THAT WHEN I'M BACK AT MY DESK, TRYING TO DO MY BEST TO BE A TOWN MANAGER THAT WORKS BEING DONE.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT, BUT WHAT, WHAT MIGHT BE MISSING IS GETTING ORGANIZED.
RIGHT? I THINK THAT WE'RE DOING ONE THING IN THE NORTH POINT HOUSING PARTNERSHIP, AND I BELIEVE WE'RE DOING IT WELL.
IS IT FAST ENOUGH? NEVER BECAUSE I, I, I KNOW THIS AND I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE.
WE CAN'T BUILD OUR WAY OUT OF THIS.
AND IF WE NEED 2000 UNITS START TODAY, BY THE TIME WE GET THERE, WE'LL NEVER BUILD OUR WAY OUT OF IT.
SO WHAT I REALLY FOCUS ON IS THAT HOUSING CONTINUUM I HEARD TODAY TO GO FROM HERE TO THERE, RIGHT? TO GO FROM ONE UNIT, MR. BARNWELLS STABILIZE YOUR LIFE, STABILIZE YOUR FAMILY, LIVE WITH A HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE, WAVE TO MR. BARNWELL EVERY MORNING, MAKE SURE YOUR SITE'S IN GREAT SHAPE AND THEN MOVE ON.
AND SO I THINK THE, WHAT WE'RE TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IS OPPORTUNITY.
UM, I ALWAYS GET BACK TO THAT.
WE NEED TO PROVIDE HOUSING OPTIONS FOR LOCAL EMPLOYEES, WHETHER IT'S ON THIS SIDE OF THE BRIDGE, THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BRIDGE, WHATNOT, BUT OPTIONS FOR LOCAL EMPLOYEES IS VITAL TO OUR ECONOMY AND TO OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS TO GET THERE.
UM, BUT IN A FRAMEWORK, IF IT'S BY NOVEMBER 1ST, I THINK THAT IT'S JUST GETTING ORGANIZED AND, AND MAYBE GIVING SOME OPTIONS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE MENU, UH, WHAT'S THE MENU, UH, TO DECIDE UPON IN THE FUTURE, KNOWING THAT WE NEED TO PICK SOONER THAN LATER, SOME OF THOSE EARLY PRIORITIES AND THAT'S, THAT'S YOUR WILL, RIGHT.
I, I WANT TO ASK MORE QUESTIONS AND HAVE SOLUTIONS, BUT I KNOW THAT A FRAMEWORK WOULD PROVIDE INCENTIVES, RIGHT? WHAT ARE THEY, ARE THEY BUY DOWNS? ARE THEY LAND BANKS? ARE THEY ZONING DENSITY? I, I SAID, DENSITY, BONUSES DON'T WORK THE WAY OUR DENSITY BONUS IS IT'S, IT'S LIMITED.
IT'S ONLY A LITTLE BIT OF DENSITY.
AND WHEN YOU SAY LET'S, LET'S GIVE THAT INCENTIVE AND LET'S GIVE THAT DENSITY, BUT WE'RE GONNA PUT A COVENANT ON YOUR PROPERTY AND LOCK YOU IN AGAINST THE FREE WORLD MARKET.
I, I DON'T KNOW MANY THAT WOULD BE FINANCED EASILY TO DO THAT.
UM, POLICIES, DEED RESTRICTIONS, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY IF, NO MATTER WHAT WE'RE THINKING OF WILL HAVE A COVENANT, A DEED RESTRICTIONS.
SO THAT AFFORDABILITY INDEX GROWS OVER TIME.
BUT THAT IT'S ALWAYS IN THAT, THAT STOCK.
UM, I THINK IF NOTHING ELSE, WE HAVE A DISPLACEMENT STRATEGY COMING OUT OF THIS SO THAT IF CHIMNEY COVE CALLS PASTOR JUNE, THANK YOU.
UM, BUT IF, IF CHIMNEY COVE CALLS AND SAYS, WE'VE BEEN GIVEN A, A NOTICE WHETHER IT'S 30 DAYS OR 120 DAYS, WHAT'S OUR ROLE, RIGHT? WHAT'S OUR ROLE AS THE BIGGER QUESTION HERE, WHAT'S
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OUR ROLE IN THE DISPLACEMENT STRATEGY? IS IT PASTOR JUNE AND NONPROFITS, OR IS IT OUR INVOLVEMENT IN, ARE WE LEADING OR ARE WE ASSISTING? CAUSE AT SOME POINT I THINK HOUSING GETS SOLVED WITH OUR INVOLVEMENT, WHETHER WE'RE COLLABORATING ON A GREAT NEW SUBDIVISION THAT WE WANT SOME OF IT TO BE BELOW MARKET RATE BELOW 120% AMI.SO ARE WE FACILITATING AND COLLABORATING ON THAT? AND HOW DO WE DO THAT THROUGH INCENTIVES, MAYBE CONTRIBUTION OF LAND, WHATEVER.
AND THEN I THINK SOMETIMES LIKE NORTHPOINT WE'RE POINT ON THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE P THREE, WE ARE IN CHARGE OF THAT.
WE DIDN'T CONCEDE BY JUST PUTTING SOME DOLLARS OR POLICY OR LAND FORWARD.
UM, I'VE SEEN HOUSING AUTHORITIES WORK WELL AND WE'VE SEEN HOUSING AUTHORITIES NOT WORK WELL.
I THINK A LOT OF IT IS ABOUT THE STRUCTURE OF IT, THE BYLAWS OF IT AND THE EXPECTATIONS OUT OF THE GATE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO JUST GOOGLE SOME RESORT, GREAT COMMUNITIES IN OUR COUNTRY, BRECKENRIDGE AS AN EXAMPLE, MARTHA'S VINEYARD, AS AN EXAMPLE, I THINK THAT YOU'LL FIND THAT THE LOCAL MUNICIPALITY DOESN'T SOLVE IT BY THEMSELVES.
THE COUNTY'S VERY INVOLVED HOUSING AUTHORITIES ARE INVOLVED, REGIONAL SOLUTIONS ARE INVOLVED.
AND I, I KIND OF THINK THAT IF I BRING A FRAMEWORK FORWARD, IT, IT NEEDS TO BE ALL ENCOMPASSING AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, GET US ORGANIZED.
AND I, AND I STILL, DON'T NOT SURE WHERE YOU WANT ME TO BE MY NOVEMBER 1ST AS IN, AS IT A COLLECTIVE BODY.
BUT I SEE YOU MOVING UP THERE.
UM, TOM REFERENCED SOMETHING I SAID LAST WEEK AND THERE ARE FOUR PARTS TO THIS THAT I SEE AND, AND A FRAMEWORK IS HIGH LEVEL, BUT IT IDENTIFIES THE, THE KEY, UH, INGREDIENTS, UH, AN IMPLEMENTABLE PROGRAM AND, AND THE FOUR ELEMENTS IN MY MIND ARE THE, THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S AT RISK AND THE PUBLIC SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD IN THE PROGRAM.
THE SECOND IS THE FINANCIAL COMPONENT.
HOW ARE YOU GONNA GET THE MONEY? AND HOW MUCH DO YOU NEED? THE THIRD IS THE MANAGEMENT.
AND HERE, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE LONG TERM COMMITMENT, THE SUSTAINABILITY OF THE ORGANIZATION.
HOW DOES, HOW DOES A COMMUNITY PUT LAND IN A POSITION OR EXISTING BUILDINGS IN A POSITION TO BE ABLE TO BE UTILIZED BY THE PRIVATE SECTOR INVESTMENT? AND SO IT'S A PLANNING SLASH LMO COMPONENT.
I THINK THOSE FOUR ELEMENTS OF THE FRAMEWORK HAVE TO BE DEALT WITH NEXT STEPS.
THOMAS, SEE WHAT, UH, MARK COMES UP WITH, UH, BY NOVEMBER 1ST, GIVEN THOSE FOUR ELEMENTS, UH, KEEPING IT AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL, SUCH THAT THE TOWN HAS SOME LATITUDE IN WHICH WAY WE GO GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES, UM, NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH, AND MOST URGENT IS NORTH POINT.
UH, AND RECOGNIZING THAT WE'RE GONNA LEARN SOME THINGS FROM THE RESPONSES WE GET TO THE RFPS AND THEN BUILD, UM, THE STRATEGIES AND TACTICS BEHIND THE, THE FOUR GOALS THAT, UH, DAVID MENTIONED.
ANY NEXT STEPS? WELL, THE NEXT STEPS, UM, NEEDS TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR VOICES ARE HEARD, ALL IDEAS ARE CONSIDERED AND THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR A ONE SOLUTION PLAN, MAYBE.
WELL, I, I, I SAID WHAT I WAS, UH, ON MY MIND, BUT THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD SAY THE NOVEMBER 1ST DATE MAY BE ARTIFICIAL, BUT IT IS FORCING US TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN WILLING TO MAKE PREVIOUSLY.
AND IF IT REQUIRES US TO WORK HARDER IN ORDER TO GET TO THAT DEADLINE, THEN I THINK WE SHOULD BE WORKING HARDER.
SO I WE'RE, WE'RE PRESSING, UH, THE TIMEFRAME AND FORCING US TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN WILLING TO MAKE PREVIOUSLY.
BILL, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH DAVID.
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NO REASON WHY WE CAN'T CREATE, UH, THE OVERALL ARCHITECTURE OF, OF THE SITUATION AND IN DOING THAT, THEN, UH, WE WON'T BE HERE, BUT OTHERS CAN START FOLLOWING.UM, BUT, UH, UNLESS, UNLESS WE, I THINK DEADLINES ARE GREAT.
YOU HAVE TO GET OFF YOUR DUCK AND GET SOMETHING DONE.
AND, UH, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO WHAT GLEN SAID EARLIER, WE'VE DONE A LOT.
UH, WE HAVEN'T DEALT WITH THE TWO IMPORTANT ONES, FUNDING AND MANAGEMENT, RIGHT? THOSE ARE THE, WE HAVE COMMUNITY.
WE HAVEN'T DONE WELL WITH COMMUNITY EITHER.
SO YOUR FOUR POINTS I THINK ARE PILLARS TO BUILD ON HERE.
AND, UH, IF WE CAN COMMIT TO THAT AND AS A GROUP, AGAIN, I'M REPEATING, BUT RECOGNIZE AS A GROUP, WE DO HAVE A PROBLEM.
WE HAVE ENOUGH DATA TO AT LEAST GUESSTIMATE THE SIZE OF THE PROBLEM.
LET'S PUT THAT OUT THERE IN ADDITION TO DAVID'S FOUR, AND LET'S SAY HOUSING IS GOING TO HOPEFULLY ADDRESS WHAT PERCENT AND TO TAMMY'S POINT, IT'S NOT THE ONLY THING.
THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER THINGS OUT THERE THAT WE HAVE TO DO.
WE KEEP THROWING TRANSPORTATION AS THE AUDIENCE.
UH, BUT, UH, MARK GOT MORE INTO THE WEEDS ZONE DENSITY, L O AND ALL OF THAT GOOD STUFF, AND THAT'S REAL IMPORTANT.
BUT SO I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A, UH, DAVID THINK ABOUT CRAFTING A, A MOTION TO HIS POINT, AND I KNOW WE CAN'T VOTE HERE, BUT, UH, AT LEAST GET A CONSENSUS.
AND WE MAY NOT GET EVERYBODY HERE AT THIS TABLE TO AGREE, BUT AT LEAST HAVE THE PUBLIC HAVE SOME IDEA OF WHERE THERE'S ENOUGH CONSENSUS TO DO SOMETHING.
I'M LEARNING A LOT HERE, LISTENING, UH, TO THIS DISCUSSION.
UM, CLEARLY FROM THE PUBLIC, THERE IS A PROBLEM.
MY COMMENTS EARLIER ABOUT THE FACT WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING IS NOT CORRECT.
WE HAVE TRIED SOME THINGS THAT JUST HAVEN'T WORKED THE WAY WE HOPE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE WITH REGARD TO THE NOVEMBER 1ST DEADLINE.
WE WILL BE HEARING FROM THAT BY THE END OF OCTOBER, I'LL HAVE THEM, I'LL HAVE THE RESPONSES EARLY OCTOBER.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, EARLY OCTOBER IS TERRIBLE.
IT'S, IT'S GOOD NEWS TO ME BECAUSE THOSE PROPOSALS ARE GOING TO TEACH US A LOT BECAUSE THE PEOPLE, THE FIRMS THAT WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO HAVE EXPERIENCED AN EXPERTISE IN DOING EXACTLY THIS, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO LEARN A GREAT DEAL.
AND SO I LOOK FORWARD TO THOSE PROPOSALS TO SOME HOPEFULLY CREATIVE IDEAS THAT HAVEN'T REALLY OCCURRED TO US YET.
AND IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE THOSE BY EARLY OCTOBER, THAT WILL GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO STUDY THOSE AFTER WE RECEIVE THEM AND TO COME FORWARD AND RESPOND TO THE CHALLENGE YOU'VE PUT BEFORE US JOHN.
AND SO, UH, I'M WILLING TO DO THAT WORK, UH, IN THE MONTH OF OCTOBER.
UH, YEAH, SO I, UH, I SECOND, UH, COUNCILMAN AMES, INFORMAL, UH, MOTION OF THE FOUR POINTS THAT HE MADE FUNDING,
UM, AND THE ONLY THING THAT I'D ADD IS AS WE MOVE TOWARDS THIS NOVEMBER ONE DATE, AND I'M STILL ABSOLUTELY IN FAVOR, THAT IS, UH, IS THAT WE JUST SUPPORT MR. ORLANDO, IF HE COMES BACK TO US AND SAYS, HEY, MY STAFF CAPACITY IS NOT THERE.
I NEED TO INCREASE, BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS A CRITICAL, UM, PIECE OF THE PUZZLE THAT IS JUST NOT BEING SPENT ENOUGH TIME ON THAT'S IT.
BEFORE I GET A FEW PUBLIC COMMENT HERE, MY IDEA, AND WE'LL DO THIS FOR THE TIME BEING, I WOULD LIKE TOM AND DAVID TO WORK WITH MARK TO PUT DRAFT OF THE FIRST FRAMEWORK I'D LIKE TO DRAFT, TO COME OUT OF THE COUNCIL, RATHER THAN THAT OF THE TOWN MANAGER'S OFFICE, MARK WILL ASSIST YOU TO IN WRITING THE FIRST FRAMEWORK.
I SEE YOUR LIP MOVING HIS FRAMEWORKS SYNONYMOUS WITH, UH, A, A HIGH LEVEL MOTION.
PUBLIC, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE OR COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? COME ON, DON'T DISAPPOINT ME, ANYBODY, TERRY,
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YOU STAND UP AND TELL ANYBODY WHO YOU ARE.SOMETHING, NO, EVERYTHING YOU SAID IS ENCOURAGING.
AND, AND IT'S, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF SPIRIT IN THE ROOM.
THERE'S A LOT OF INTENT AND, AND THAT'S REALLY APPRECIATED.
I THINK EVERYBODY HERE SEES THAT AND FEELS THAT, UH, THERE'S STILL AN ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.
UM, AND IT'S CALLED GENTRIFICATION AND IT'S GOING AT MORE SPEED IS NOT TO THROW A WRENCH IN EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID, BUT IT, IT IS A HORRIBLE, VERY REAL THING.
THAT'S HAPPENING DUE TO A CONFLUENCE OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME, YOU CAN'T STOP IT, BUT AT LEAST MAYBE YOU CAN, AS A GROUP, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER SOME CREATIVE THINKING AND SOME ENERGY TO HOW YOU SLOW IT DOWN.
HOW DO YOU MAYBE REVERSE IT IN SOME SITUATIONS AND SO FORTH? SO I HOPE YOU GIVE A LOT OF ATTENTION TO THAT.
I'M PASTOR JUNE FROM CHRIST LUTHER IN CHURCH.
AND I'M, I, I DIDN'T HEAR SPECIFICALLY MARK ORLANDO ALLUDED TO IT.
IS THERE GOING TO BE SOME SORT OF, UM, ORDINANCE OR SOMETHING ABOUT THE DAYS THAT WE GIVE PEOPLE IF THEY ARE EVICTED FROM, FROM APARTMENTS, JUST LIKE JIM, CAN YOU REPHRASE THAT AGAIN? UH, PROBABLY NOT ASKING IT REALLY GOOD.
UM, THE, IS THERE, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN CAN DO TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, PEOPLE AREN'T GIVEN 30 DAYS TO LEAVE THEIR HOMES? THERE'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO VIA AN ORDINANCE.
THERE'D BE A DISPLACEMENT STRATEGY IN PLACE.
I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF NOTHING ELSE, I THINK THAT IT WAS HEARD THAT WE EXPECT MORE THAN A 30 DAY NOTICE AS A COMMUNITY.
I THINK THAT FIRST AND FOREMOST IS STRONGER THAN ANY ORDINANCE THAT WE ARE PAID TURNING TO ON PAGE 902.
UM, THERE, THERE IS NOT A LEGAL WAY TO MANDATE LENGTH OF TIME.
THAT'S THROUGH THE COURTS, THAT'S THROUGH, YOU KNOW, CONTRACTS, IT'S THROUGH LEASES AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT THERE ARE DISPLACEMENT STRATEGIES THAT WE CAN PUT IN PLACE THAT HELP US MOBILIZE A LOT FASTER.
UM, WELL, I WON'T SAY THAT WORD, BUT LET'S JUST SAY AN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT SITUATION, RIGHT? WE KNOW WHAT SEASON WE'RE IN.
I DON'T SAY THAT WORD OUT LOUD UNLESS I HAVE TO, BUT WE'RE AN EMERGENCY SEASON.
WE HAVE A CONTINGENCY PLAN THAT IF X THEN Y AND I THINK THAT WE COULD PUT SOMETHING, WE WILL PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE FOR THAT, SO THAT THE COMMUNITY KNOWS WHAT OUR ROLE IS, WHAT THEIR ROLE IS AND HOW WE WORK TOGETHER.
AND IT HAS TO GO BEFORE A JUDGE CASE BY CASE, NOT THE WHOLE PLACE TOGETHER.
I TOOK A COUPLE JUDGES OVER THE WEEKEND.
IT COULDN'T TAKE A LONG TIME GO CASE BY CASE BEFORE THE JUDGE INTERVIEW.
WILL ROBINSON PASTOR FIRST HERE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO ADDRESS THIS.
THANK YOU FOR RUBBING YOUR BRAIN CALL, RUBBING BRAINS, GOOD TO CREEP AND DISAGREE AND HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS.
I KNOW I'VE PREPARED TO LIVE THE COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO WORK, TO TRY TO ADDRESS THIS.
MY NAME IS JULIE RENO AND I AM A MEMBER OF
AND I WOULD LIKE US TO REALLY FOCUS ON THAT 30 DAY EVICTION LAWS, BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE WON'T CREATE TRAUMA FOR THOSE CHILDREN WHO ARE DISPLACED IN 30 DAYS, THERE'S SCHOOLING THEIR FRIENDS.
THE WAY THAT FAMILIES ARE ORGANIZED WILL BE TOTALLY DISRUPTIVE.
SO FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROTECTING OUR CHILDREN, I WIND SUGGEST THAT WE REALLY PUSH AND THOSE COURTS THAT WE ARE THE VOICE FOR THOSE CHILDREN, WE HAVE WILL BE TRAUMATIZED BY THIS.
YOU'RE GONNA LEAVE ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
SIRON STEVENS, THE, UH, GULF CASH FORCE PUBLICATION.
I JUST MADE A FEW THAT WERE TALKING.
UM, THE ONE THING THAT I THINK IS RELEVANT IS CERTAINLY TO WORK DOING WITH OUR TAX FORCE PERTAINS TO CULTURAL PRESERVATION.
UM, AGAIN, UH, ONE OF THE ELEPHANTS IN THE ROOM IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PARTNERSHIPS, LAND, AND MOST OF THE LAND, AS WE KNOW, EXCEPT MID ISLAND,
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WHICH WHERE A LOT OF DATA BALANCE AND PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING THROUGH ISSUES NOW SOUTH'S BEEN SATURATED AND PRETTY MUCH DEVELOPED.UM, SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO BE LOOKING FOR PRIVATE AND PUBLIC PARTNERSHIPS TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
THERE IS CERTAINLY A WAY TO CREATE CULTURAL PRESERVATION, STOP PURSUING NATIVE ISLAND'S PROPERTY PARTNER WITH THEM TO CREATE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES.
WE'RE LOSING LAND AS IT IS IN OUR NATIVE ISLAND COMMUNITIES AND BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE ARE HAVING A VERY HARD TIME LIVING HERE.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CREATE COMMUNITIES THAT DISCOUNT PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THEIR INCOME.
AS WE MENTIONED BEFORE YOUR DISCUSSION, WE WANT EVERYBODY TO PARTICIPATE EQUALLY AND HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE.
LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE LIVES ON THE ITEM.
UH, THIS BECOMES A PROBLEM BECAUSE WE HAVE FAILED IN THE PAST TO DO A GREAT MASTER PLAN.
SO HERE WE ARE, WE DON'T HAVE DIVERSITY IN OUR PROPERTIES.
WE DON'T HAVE DIVERSITY IN OUR LIVING.
WE HAVE A HUGE GAP IN THE HAVES AND THE HAVE NOTS, IN MY OPINION, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
SO, UH, THERE ARE WAYS TO MAYBE ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM THROUGH CULTURAL PRESERVATION, EQUITY AND DIVERSITY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON SEAN?
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UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR.I KNOW WE'RE A LITTLE OVER OUR, UH, UH, TIME AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE GET, GET THROUGH THESE NEXT ITEMS. UM, I JUST WANNA INTRODUCE, UM, MANY OF YOU