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JOIN ME IN DOING THE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO LOOK LIKE OF THE UNITED STATES, STATES OF AMERICA INTO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS NATION UNDER GOD, INVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE LAW.
HOPEFULLY, UH, THE APPLICANT REPRESENTATION WILL SHOW.
I HAVE A QUESTION BACK FROM TECHNICAL STANDPOINT.
IF THERE'S NO APPLICANT REPRESENTATION, DO WE STILL HEAR THE ISSUE? UM, IS THAT WHAT'S ONE I WOULD RECOMMEND, AND THIS IS JUST, JUST A RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE WE, THE LAST MEETING, WE HAD NO QUORUM AND THEY SHOWED UP THAT IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ITEM, AND THEN IF THE, THE PLAN COMMISSION IS NOT COMFORTABLE, THEY COULD ALWAYS TABLE OR, OR DEFER.
AND WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
THAT'S MY ONLY, AND AFTER MOVE FORWARD, THAT'S WHAT MY COMMENTS.
WE BRING UNTIL WE GET THAT POINT AND THE AGENDA, AND THEN WE'LL DISCUSS HOW TO PROCEED.
JUST, JUST TO KEEP US MOVING FORWARD.
UM, BOY HAS BEEN PUBLISHED THE MINUTES,
[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES – June 6, 2022]
JUNE 6TH.ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS? CORRECTIONS, ADDITIONS, DELETIONS.
ALTHOUGH IN FAVOR, BUT YOU WERE HERE LIKE A TAXI.
UM, CITIZEN COMMENTS, WE ALL KIND ISSUES.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY A DAY.
WELL, WHAT, THERE WAS ANYBODY ONLINE.
[7. ZONING MAP AMENDMENT/REZONING REQUEST FOR 4.25 ACRES AT 175 FORDING ISLAND ROAD (R600 022 000 011A 0000) FROM T2 RURAL TO C5 REGIONAL CENTER MIXED USE DISTRICTS. AGENT: JOSH TILLER/OWNER: LAURA LEWIS]
AMENDMENT WE'RE HERE TO RE UH, CONSIDER IS THE REZONING REQUEST FOR 4.25 ACRES AT, UH, 1 75 40 ISLAND ROAD.WE ALL HAVE YOUR DOCUMENTS IN FRONT OF YOU.
WE DO NOT HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE AGENT FROM THEM.
UH, DO YOU WISH TO, AS A BOARD PROCEED WITH THIS ISSUE IN DISCUSSION WITH STAFF, UM, OR DID YOU WANNA WAIT UNTIL THE AGENT REPRESENTATION CAN BE HERE? HOW DID YOU, IS THERE ANY COMMENTS OR HOW MANY, HOW IS THE, UH, COMMISSIONER SP I THINK WE SHOULD WAIT TILL THE, UM, AGENT IS PRESENT TO FILL QUESTIONS.
EVEN ASKING QUESTIONS TO THE STAFF QUESTION THAT, YEAH, GO AHEAD.
UM, SO GUYS ON EXISTING ZONING, SO I SAW THIS AT HOME.
SO THE VISUAL, UM, WHY IS THAT LITTLE TINY PIECE AND PROPOSED, STILL TEACH YOU UP.
WE WERE JUST ABOUT TO TAKE A VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GONNA TABLE THE ISSUE TO YOUR NEXT MEETING.
UM, BUT WE'RE AT THE START OF IT.
SO LET ME ASK THE STAFF, IF YOU COME FORWARD WITH YOUR DISCUSSION PIECE, UH, WELL, GOOD EVENING, UH, CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, THIS, UH, ITEM BEFORE YOU IS A, UM, PROPERTY OWNER INITIATED MAP AMENDMENT, UM, TO OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODES MAP.
UM, THE CURRENT, THIS IS THE PROPERTY SIZE IS APPROXIMATELY 4.25 ACRES.
AND THIS IS LOCATED, UM, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF US, 2 78 OF CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION WITH GRAVES ROAD.
THERE'S CURRENTLY TWO, UM, AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIPS THERE.
IF SOMEBODY CAN CORRECT ME, I BELIEVE THERE'S TWO, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE IS WHICH IT'S.
UH, SO THERE'S AL THERE'S AN EXISTING AREA THAT IS ZONED, UH, C FIVE REGIONAL CENTER MIXED USE.
AND OKAY, THERE, IT IS ON THE MAP, THIS PROPERTY NUTS, THAT AREA, BUT IT'S RIGHT NOW ZONED T2 RURAL.
AND THAT IS KIND OF A REMNANT OF THIS WHOLE AREA, THESE PROPERTIES, THE GRAPES PROPERTY.
I RECALL WE'RE ORIGINALLY ZONED RURAL AND ONE BY ONE, THEY HAVE COME IN FOR ZONING AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN GRANTED.
THIS IS KIND OF A REMNANT THAT IS REMAINING BETWEEN THAT EXISTING AREA AND BE THE BERKELEY HALL P U D.
UM, SO THAT'S THE AREA THAT'S OUTLINED IN RED.
UM, WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING IS TO THIS TO
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C FIVE REGIONAL CENTER MIXED USE TO MATCH THE, UH, ADJOINING DISTRICT.AND THEY HAVE EXPRESSED, UM, TO STAFF THAT THEY ARE INTERESTED IN SIMPLY HAVING MORE LAND FOR THE DEALERSHIP TO HAVE A, I BELIEVE, UH, UM, LIKE A BUILDING FOR, UH, DETAILING FOR, UH, IS IT FOR REPAIR OR JUST EXPANDED SERVICE? OKAY.
SO THE, THE INTENT OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO SELL IT TO THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNER, THE, THE CAR DEALERSHIP TO, TO BE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT, THIS IS IN A DRONE SHOT OF THE PROPERTY.
SO YOU COULD SEE THE TWO DEALERSHIPS IN THE BACKGROUNDS THAT THIS WOULD ADJOIN THE GREEN AND THE FOREGROUND CLOSEST TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN AS PART OF THE BERKELEY HALL PUD.
AND YOU COULD SEE, UM, I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS THE THAT'S BERKELEY HALL, THEIR MAINTENANCE AREA.
YOU SEE TWO HARD CUTS, WHICH ARE THE TWO PARCELS THAT ARE STILL ZT TWO RURAL.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE, THE MERCEDES MERCEDES DEALERSHIP OVER HERE.
SO ONE WAY OF LOOKING AT THIS, THIS, THIS AREA, UM, BEHIND IT, WHERE ALL THOSE TREES ARE, AND THEN AS YOU GO TOWARD HILTON HEAD ISLAND, ALL OF THAT IS WITHIN THE BERKELEY HALL, P U D.
SO YOU KNOW, THIS AREA, IF IT, IF THE C UH, C FIVE REGIONAL CENTER MIX USE WERE EXPAND INTO THIS AREA, THERE'S NO MORE ROOM FOR EXPANSION, YOU KNOW, ONCE, ONCE IT FILLS OUT.
SO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CONCERNS WOULD BE THAT WE'RE SIMPLY ALLOWING MORE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ALONG THERE TO, TO BE NC FIVE AND, AND WHERE WOULD END THERE'S VERY MUCH, YOU KNOW, THAT AREA IS VERY MUCH CONTAINED BY THE BERKELEY HALL, P U D.
UM, THE OTHER CONSIDERATION IS THAT THE OWNER IS SELLING THIS TO THE DEALERSHIP, OR THAT'S THE INTENT.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE COULD RECOMMEND, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC IMPACTS IS, UM, THIS BEING ADJOINED TO THE PROPERTY AND NOT HAVING A SEPARATE CURB CUT.
AND I THINK THAT PART OF THE CONCERN WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL CURB CUT ON 2 78, DEFINITELY WOULD, YOU KNOW, CONTRIBUTE TO ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC ALONG THERE AND, AND, AND FRICTION ALONG 2 78.
UM, SO AS FAR AS, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BUT THOSE ARE JUST SOME CONSIDERATIONS IT'S REALLY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S REALLY NO ROOM FOR COMMERCIAL EXPANSION OTHER THAN THIS PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, IN THAT DIRECTION.
UM, THE OTHER THING TO CONSIDER IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS THIS AREA ZONE C4 REGION, OR ITS ZONES, COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL, AND THE DISTRICT THAT WOULD APPROPRIATELY IMPLEMENT THAT IS C4 COMMUNITY CENTER MIXED USE.
HOWEVER, THE, THAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE THAT WHEN THOSE PROPERTIES HAVE REZONES, THE OTHER DEALERSHIPS, THEY REZONE TO C FIVE, IN ADDITION TO THE FRONT PORTION OF PEPPER HALL, WHICH IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF GRAVES ROAD, THAT'S IN C FIVE AS WELL.
SO THIS, WHILE THIS IS NOT TECHNICALLY, YOU KNOW, CONSISTENT WITH THE ADJOINING ZONING, IT IS VERY CLOSE AND IT IS CONS.
I MEAN, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE, THE ZONING, BUT IT'S NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LANE USE MAP INTO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT IT'S STILL A C4, OR, I MEAN, IT'S A, IT SUPPORTS COMMERCIAL, BUT NOT TO THE EXTENT OF THE C FIVE, BUT AS FAR AS STAFF, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT TAPERING THIS ONE PROPERTY DOWN TO C4, YOU KNOW, REALLY MAKES ANY SENSE IN THIS LOCATION.
WE ALREADY HAVE A REGIONAL COMMERCIAL CENTER ESTABLISHED.
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO TAPER IT DOWN FOR A MORE COMMUNITY OR NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE SHOPPING CENTER BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION.
IT'S NOT REALLY SERVING THAT KIND OF COMMUNITY.
UH, AND IT'S THE OWNER'S INTENT TO EXPAND THE, UM, THE, THE DEALERSHIP THAT JOINS THE PROPERTY.
SO CAN I APOLOGIZE? I HOPE I EXPLAIN THAT CLEARLY AND I'M WILLING TO, YEAH.
SO WHAT IS YOUR STAND? WHAT IS YOUR STAND? I, I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED THERE.
OUR STANCE IS THAT WE SUPPORT IT, RECOGNIZING THAT IT DOES NOT FULLY IMPLEMENT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT IS VERY CLOSE.
AND BECAUSE OF THE BEING CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORING ZONING OF THE PROPERTY, THAT WE WOULD SUPPORT THIS RESENDING, THE,
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THE LITTLE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S LEFT THE T TWO R NEXT TO THE ONE THAT WOULD BE CHANGED TO C FIVE RCM U IS THAT TO REMAIN T TWO R WELL, BASED ON THIS AMENDMENT, THIS IS, UM, BEING PETITIONED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER.SO WE HAVE NOT REACHED OUT TO THAT OTHER SMALLER PROPERTY OWNER.
THERE'S AN EXISTING HOUSE ON THAT PROPERTY.
SO YOU DO YOU, WHICH ARE YOU SAYING, ARE YOU ANTICIPATE THAT THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY MIGHT GET REZONED TO AT THE, THAT, OR DOES THAT HAVE TO BE UPON REQUEST? HAVE WE NOT ALREADY RULED ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY AND TURNED IT DOWN AT ONE POINT YEARS AGO? YEAH, THAT'S THE, YES, YES.
THIS HAS COME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION BEFORE.
UM, NOW ON OUR, IN OUR ORDINANCE, WHEN SOMEBODY COMES FORWARD WITH A REZONING THAN THERE IS A STAY ON ANY ACTION WITHIN A YEAR AFTER THAT, IT HAS BEEN MUCH LONGER THAN A YEAR SINCE THEY CAME.
FEBRUARY, 2019, IT WAS THE EXACT SAME REQUEST WE HAVE TONIGHT.
ONLY, AND ONLY IT WAS PRESENTED BY A NEIGHBOR, I THINK.
AND THERE WASN'T A PROPOSAL FROM THE DEALERSHIP.
SO THAT'S THE DISTINCTION TONIGHT.
AND SO ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE BELIEVE MAKES A DIFFERENCE AT THE STAFF LEVEL IS THAT IF THIS IS PART OF THE DEALERSHIP AND IT DOES NOT GOING TO REQUIRE ANY ADDITIONAL CURB CUT, WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THIS IS GONNA BE A MAJOR IMPACT ON THAT ROAD.
IT'S NOT GONNA REALLY CONTRIBUTE TO ADDITIONAL FRICTION.
IT'S JUST THERE EXPANDING THEIR OPERATIONS AND HAVING AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING.
AND I BELIEVE THAT ONE WAY THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS CONCERNS ABOUT THAT IS TO MAKE A CONDITION, THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY COMBINE THIS PROPERTY WITH THE DEALERSHIP, BECAUSE THAT WOULD MM-HMM
SO IF THEY SOLD, THEY COULDN'T SELL IT TO THE, THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR AT THAT POINT.
WELL, THAT, THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE AND PEPPER HALL IS GONNA HAVE A NEW TRAFFIC LIGHT, NEW INGRESS EGRESS ACROSS, AND IT'S RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM THE BUCKWALTER PARKWAY AND TRAFFIC COMES ZOOMING OUT THAT WAY.
THAT WOULD BE A REAL DANGER TO HAVE ANOTHER INGRESS EGRESS POINT, IN MY OPINION.
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IT HAS BEEN HERE BEFORE MM-HMM
IS IT IS SPEAKING EXPANSION OF THE DEALERSHIP.
I, ROB ROB IS BRINGING UP A GOOD POINT.
THE, IF YOU REMEMBER, WHAT, WHAT FLIPPED THE VOTE THE LAST TIME WAS WHEN I ASKED THE OWNER, WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS? AND SHE SAID, OH, I WANNA SELL IT FOR MORE, MORE MONEY.
WELL, WE DON'T REZONE FOR MORE MONEY ON EITHER SIDE.
IT'S JUST NOT A REASON WHY YOU REZONE A PIECE OF PROPERTY.
UM, SO THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO BENEFIT TO ANYBODY I EVEN ASKED, DID YOU TALK TO THE HONDA GUY? DOES, DOES HE WANT IT? AND THEY SAID, NO, I HAVEN'T TALKED TO HIM.
UM, I'M, THAT'S WHAT IT WAS MERCEDES.
WELL, THE MERCEDES ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE HONDAS RIGHT THERE.
UM, IS THIS UNDER A, UH, CONDITIONAL CONTRACT FOR SALE RIGHT NOW? CONDITIONAL ON THE ZONING CHANGE.
UM, AND DID THE APPLICANT ASK FOR A C FIVE OR ASK FOR C4? WHAT, WHAT IS THE HONDA IN THE MERCEDES C FIVE IT'S C FIVE.
ALL AND THE, THE DISTINCTION, YOU KNOW, CAR DEALERSHIPS ARE NOT A PERMITTED USE OF C4.
SO THAT CAR DEALERSHIP MAKES, MAKES SENSE.
UM, SO THE, THE NEXT QUESTION IS, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH THE HOUSE THAT'S THERE BECAUSE THERE IS A HOUSE THERE.
AND THE LAST TIME THIS CAME UP, I REMEMBER, UH, MY DEAR FRIEND, MITCH MITCHELL WENT THERE AND THERE WAS SOMEBODY LIVING IN THE HOUSE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY STILL ARE, BUT IT'S, IT'S VACANT NOW THE, DO WE WANT, DO WE WANT MR. TILL TO COME ON UP AND TELL BECAUSE THE QUESTIONS GONNA, YEAH.
PERHAPS BETTER ANSWERED BY, BY HIM, ANYBODY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. MERCHANT? OH, JUST TO POINT OF CLARIFICATION, ROB, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE LAST SLIDE THAT SHOWED THE AERIAL VIEW, THE AERIAL VIEW AND ALL OF THE LAND BEHIND, SO IN THE DOCUMENTATION, SO IT'S TREES BEHIND MM-HMM
OR THAT'S SO ALL THE, SO, SO I SEE THAT KIND OF SNEAKY BLIND, WHICH LOOKS LIKE THE LIMIT OF RESIDENTIAL HOUSING IN VILLE MM-HMM
SO THEN ALL THE TREES BEHIND THAT, AND THEN FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW TO THE RIGHT, LOOKS LIKE A BUNCH OF TREES.
AND IS THAT ALSO VILLE OR IS THAT SOMETHING ELSE? AND THAT'S ALL PART OF THEIR OPEN SPACE.
SO, SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS NOT GONNA IMPACT THE TREES ON
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OTHER THAT WE SEE HERE ONLY WHAT IN WHAT'S THE YELLOWS, RIGHT? CORRECT.I MEAN, NOT LEAVE THE REAR PORTION OF THE SITE HAS WETLANDS, MOSTLY WHITELANDS AND NET BACK.
THAT'S REALLY WHAT I WANT TO KNOW.
I WANT TO GET BACK TO THAT HOUSE THOUGH.
UM, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO END UP HERE AT THE END OF THE DAY WITH, UM, YEAH, WELL, WE'RE GONNA USE IT FOR THE CAR DEALERSHIP, BUT THE, THE GUY THAT WASHES THE CARS, THAT'S GONNA LIVE IN THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSE IS COMING DOWN.
IS THAT, IS THAT PART OF THE PLAN ON THIS PROPERTY? THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S, LET'S, LET'S HAVE MR. TILLER COME UP AND YOU CAN ASK.
I MEAN, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ROB? WE'LL CALL YOU BACK.
SO DON'T GO AWAY, RIGHT? CALL HIM BACK.
YES, MR. TILL YOU KIND OF COME UP, DID YOU HAVE SOME COMMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO OFFER BEFORE WE ASK YOU OUR QUESTIONS? UM, I COULD GO STRAIGHT INTO QUESTIONS.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THAT EXISTING HOUSE ON THERE.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE PLANS FOR THAT? HOW DOES THAT FIT INTO THE PLAN? UM, THERE IS AN EXISTING HOUSE IT'S VACANT AND BASED ON MY UNDERSTANDING, UM, THAT OWNER HAS DECEASED.
IT'S NOW GONE TO THE, TO THE KIDS AND THEY LIVE OUTTA STATE.
SO THEY'RE INTERESTED IN SELLING AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHEN I BELIEVE THEY APPROACHED THE HONDA DEALERSHIP.
SO IT'S A TECHNICALLY, IT'S A DIFFERENT APPLICANT FROM THE ONE IN 2019.
IT'S THE, OH, IT'S NOT, I THINK MRS. LEWIS OR SOMETHING ALWAYS ALWAYS, OR LAURA LEWIS.
DIDN'T HE RENT FROM HER? THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
WELL, THERE'S NOBODY DELIVER IN IT NOW.
SO, SO THAT PIECE IS NOT INCLUDED IN OUR, YEAH, I, I, YEAH, I BELIEVE IT WAS A TENANT IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
BUT I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IS FORGET ABOUT MRS. LEWIS.
HE'S GONNA SOON BE GONE OUT THE PICTURE.
WHAT ABOUT THE HONDA DEALER? WHAT DOES HE PLAN ON DOING WITH THAT HOUSE? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HOUSE ON THE SITE.
THEY'RE GONNA RAISE THE HOUSE.
IT'S GONNA TAKE IT OUTTA THERE, CORRECT? OKAY.
WHAT THEY'VE WHAT'S HAPPENED IS, UM, THEY'VE, THEY'VE HIT THE CAPACITY FOR THEIR CURRENT SERVICE CENTER.
AND THIS IS JUST AN ADDITION TO THAT SERVICE CENTER.
OH, I MEAN, IT MAKES SENSE IF, IF THAT HAD BEEN THE CASE, THE LAST ON THIS WOULD'VE WENT THROUGH PROBABLY, BUT YEAH.
THEY DON'T PLAN ON SELLING CARS OUT OF THIS FACILITY.
THEIR PLAN IS TO SERVICE CARS.
I THINK THE THING ABOUT THE NOTE CUT IS IMPORTANT TOO, BECAUSE THAT'S A ROUGH, THAT'S ROUGH GETTING IT OUT OF THERE NOW WITH THE BIG CUT THAT THEY HAVE GOING IN THERE.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S, UH, THAT'S IMPORTANT.
AND THE SITE, UM, AS FAR AS PROTECTING THE, THE RESIDENT TO THE EAST, THERE'S A 50 FOOT BUFFER THAT'LL BE REQUIRED.
AND THEN TO THE NORTH, WE'VE GOT, UM, A LARGE WETLAND THAT OCCUPIES A LITTLE OVER HALF THE SITE AND WE'RE BUFFERED OFF THAT AS WELL.
SO IN ADDITION TO THE, THE VAST, I GUESS, OPEN SPACE TREAT AREA, THAT'S PART OF BERKELEY HALL, ROUGHLY HALF OF OUR SITE WILL REMAIN VEGETATED AND PROTECTED ON THAT BACKSIDE.
IN ADDITION TO THE BUFFERS TO THE EAST AND THE BUFFER ON 2 78, WHICH IS HOW MUCH PROBABLY, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A BUFFER THERE AT ALL.
BUT AROUND 2 78 WILL BE HOW MUCH 50 FEET? 50 IS ALL.
ARE THEY ALLOWED TO PUT SIGNS UP THERE? I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA NEED ONE.
WELL, NOT, NOT MY QUESTION, BUT IT'S, I MEAN, IT COULD BE, THEY COULD APPLY FOR A SIGN.
IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT'S NOT LIKE A 50 FOOT BUFFER.
YOU CAN SEE THE HOUSE IN THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A BUFFER, BUT IT'S MAYBE THEY'LL PLANT SOME TREES YOU ALLOW, ALLOW TO PLANT A SIGN IN THE BUFFER.
ARE YOU NOT, ARE YOU NOT ALLOWED TO APPLY FOR A SIGN IN A BUFFER? UM, I GUESS WHAT, I'M NOT PR I'M NOT SURE IF THIS WERE COMBINED WITH THE OTHER PROPERTY, WHETHER IT WOULD WARRANT ANOTHER SIGN, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT BE ALLOWED TO HAVE ANOTHER, UH, MONUMENT SIGNED IN THE BUFFER.
TYPICALLY WE DO ALLOW, UM, MONUMENT SIGNS IN THE BUFFER THAT ARE 10 FEET BACK FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THE OTHER THING IS IF THIS BUFFER IS NOT, IF IT'S OPENED, WHEN THIS DEVELOPS, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PLANT BACK.
I MEAN, THERE'S A CERTAIN PRESCRIPTION OF, UH, OVER STORY, UNDER STORY IN SHRUBS, YOU KNOW, AT LIKE 50 FEET.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WILL BE ADDRESSED IF THE PROPERTY IS, IS DEVELOPED, THAT'S YOUR DRAWING, RIGHT? YES.
SO THERE IS NO CURB CUT ON 2 78.
THE CONNECTION IS BETWEEN THE DEALERSHIP AND THE FACILITY ITSELF.
AND THEY'RE HAPPY IF WE NEED TO CREATE A, AN EXEMPT PLAT REMOVE THAT
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PROPERTY LINE.SO THAT'S WHAT THE, THAT'S WHAT STAFF WAS TALKING ABOUT.
AND BASICALLY YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
UM, MY ONLY COMMENT AND I'M ALRIGHT WITH WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR AND WHAT THE, WHAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDED.
THERE'S SO MANY DEALERSHIPS ALONG THERE AND ALONG THE BUFFERS THAT PARK IN THAT BUFFER TO DISPLAY THEIR CARS, HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF THEM WHAT'S TO KEEP THEM FROM DOING THE SAME THING.
I'D LIKE TO SEE ANOTHER CAVEAT THERE TO KEEP CALLING.
ARE YOU ALLOWED, ARE YOU ALLOWED TO DO THAT? NO.
AND IT COMES DOWN TO CODE ENFORCEMENT.
SO, YOU KNOW, JUST AN EXAMPLE, THIS, THE MERCEDES DEALERSHIP IS EX THEY'RE PROPOSING TO EXPAND CLOSER TO GRAVES ROAD AND WE'RE REQUIRING THEM, YOU KNOW, TO PLANT THAT BUFFER, BUT TO ALSO REVISIT THE REMAINING BUFFER THAT WAS PLANTED MAYBE 10 YEARS AGO, BECAUSE IF THERE WERE VEHICLES PUT IN THERE, THEN SOME OF THOSE SHRUBS AND, YOU KNOW, THAT WERE, MAY HAVE, UH, BEEN EVERY DEALER DOES IT.
WE KNOW, AND IT'S, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN IT HERE BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT, THERE'S A HARD EDGE THERE WITH THAT PARKING.
AND I HAVEN'T SEEN THEM PUSH CARS IN, I'VE SEEN IT IN HARDY FIELD FOR SURE.
RANDOL IF I GOT THE PICTURE UP HERE, IT'S PRETTY CLEAN LOT.
THE REST OF THE REST OF THE, I'M NOT SAYING THAT WHETHER THEY'RE DOING IT HERE OR NOT, I'M JUST SAYING THAT THAT'S GOING DOWN TO THE HONDA SIDE.
WHEN WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY COME FORWARD WITH, UH, DEVELOPMENT PER YOU KNOW, FOR DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, WE'LL LOOK AT THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES, UH, AS WELL.
WELL, WE DON'T GET, WE DON'T GET A SHOT TO ASK THAT QUESTION.
CAN WE ASK THAT NO CARS BE PLANTED, BE PARKED IN THE BUFFER AS, AS PART OF APPROVAL.
SO REGARDLESS OF WHO'S HOLDING THE LAW, IT'S UP TO CODE ENFORCEMENT.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT THE LAW, IT'S MORE CODE ENFORCEMENT
SO HOW DON'T LOOK THE OTHER WAY, IT'S JUST VERY HARD TO, IT'S VERY HARD TO ENFORCE.
CAUSE IT DOESN'T TAKE LONG TO MOVE A CAR.
WELL, AND THE, IN THE FIELD, IN THE FIELD TO THE WEST, I'VE SEEN, OH, THE MERCEDES I'VE SEEN THAT.
I KNOW DEALERSHIPS THAT WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT TODAY.
THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE CARS TO PUT THE BUFFER.
WELL, THEY INVENTORY MAYBE, MAYBE THAT'S OUR THAT'LL SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
HAVE YOU SEE THOSE? WHO ELSE IS LOT LATELY? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS PLEASE? I LIKE IT.
I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE THIS IS TO ROB OR, OR YOU MR. TILLER.
UM, THE CUTOUT OF THE, UM, T TWO R UM, ON OUR DOCUMENTATION HERE IS THAT SEPARATELY PLANTED, IT'S A SEPARATE PARCEL THAT THEY'RE NOT, YES.
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AND DID I HEAR THAT CORRECTLY? THAT THAT MIGHT BE AN OPTION, IS THAT CORRECT WITH THIS CORRECT.
IN PRO ZONING SO THAT THESE TWO PARCELS THAT ARE IN OUR END WILL NOT HEAR, BUT IN OUR PAPERS HERE.
AND THE ONLY THING THAT IS GONNA BE LEFT AND ENTIRELY QR IS WHERE THE SOON TO BE RAISED HOUSE IS NO THAT'S NO, NO, THAT HOUSE IS SEPARATE HOUSE.
AND THAT'S NOT UNDER, NOT PART OF THIS APPLICATION.
THERE'S ONE ON THIS PARCEL THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING REZONING.
AND THEN THERE'S A NEIGHBORING PARCEL, RIGHT? THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS APP.
SO THAT'S THE NEIGHBORING IS THE CUTOUT HERE T TWO R THAT'S CORRECT? CORRECT TO THE EAST.
SO THIS T2 R PIECE HERE, THE NEIGHBORING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TWO PARCELS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S JUST LIKE MARY JONES'S PROPERTY.
AND WE'VE GOT 50 FOOT BUFFER THERE ON THE EASTERN END OF THIS.
YOU'LL BUFFER THE, AND IT'S NOT UP TO US.
I THINK KEVIN MENTIONS TO HAVE MRS. JONES WHO, OR WHOEVER'S THE OWNER WITH PROPERTY, YOU SAY, YIKES, YOU MIGHT GET WITH LIKE THESE FOLKS.
AND I BELIEVE THEY WERE APPROACHED.
UM, BUT I WASN'T PART OF THAT CONVERSATION, BUT THEY, THEY WEREN'T INTERESTED.
SO THEY HAD TO BE NOTIFIED ABOUT THIS.
SO THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO COME HERE AND YAY OR NA RIGHT.
OH, THEY'RE AWARE ACTUALLY MY FAULT.
DO YOU KNOW IF, UM, IS THERE ANYBODY FROM BERKELEY HALL THAT'S APPROACHED, UM, YOU OR APPROACHED THE OWNER
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OF THAT PROPERTY IN REGARDS TO THIS ISSUE OF REZONING? I HAVEN'T.IS THERE ANYBODY THAT'S COME FORTH? NO.
I'M A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED BY THAT, BUT THEY'VE BEEN NOTIFIED, RIGHT? YEAH.
THEY HAVEN'T NOTIFIED, YOU KNOW, WE WERE, UH, 500 FEET FROM THE REZONING.
WE HAVE NOT AWARE THAT WE'VE RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS, UH, FROM THE PUBLIC.
WE JULIANA MAY HAVE GOTTEN SOME QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND SPOKE WITH SOME, SOME PEOPLE WHO HAD QUESTIONS BECAUSE OF THE, YEAH.
YOU KNOW, THEY GOT SOMETHING IN THE MAIL, BUT I'M, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS NOW.
I DON'T WANT 'EM TO BE SURPRISED WHEN SUDDENLY THEY SEE ALL THIS CONSTRUCTION GOING ON AND ALL THESE TREES BEING REMOVED, YOU KNOW, JUST ON THEIR DOORSTEP JUST ABOUT.
WELL, I, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE NOT, IF THERE'S NO EXPRESS CONCERN THAT I'M NOT GONNA MAKE THAT AN ISSUE, UM, EITHER.
ANYTHING ELSE WOULD YOU LIKE TO ASK MR. TO NO, I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION? WELL, I'D JUST LIKE TO CLARIFY THE MAP ON THE, UM, SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD, THE LITTLE BROWN ONE IS ALL THAT GRASS BETWEEN 2 78 AND THERE'S A BUFFER.
AND THEN I I'M SEEING BROWN IS THAT CLEAR SPACE TO PARK STARS TO SHOW THERE'S THAT'S PERVIOUS PARKING SPACES.
THAT'S, THAT'S PARKING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUFFER THERE, WHICH, WHICH AGAIN IS IN LINE WITH WHAT THEY HAVE THERE.
NOW ON THE BOTTOM OF THE DRAWING.
IS THAT NOT SOUTH? WHERE, WHERE, WHERE, AND THEN NORTH IS UP.
NO, THE, THE, THE PART OF THE PARCEL, JUST SOUTH OF THE ROAD THAT THEY'RE GONNA USE TO DRAW DRIVE THE CARS THROUGH, THROUGH BETWEEN THE BUSHES.
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WHAT IS THAT ON THIS SIDE? THAT BROWN, WHERE THE CURSOR IS RIGHT NOW.
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RIGHT HAND WHERE IT'S OVER HERE.
THOSE ARE PARKING THAT'S PARKING.
AND SO THAT PARKING IS USED BY, BY WHO CUSTOMERS ARE THE DEALER TO SHOW THEIR CARS I'M BACK ON THAT SUBJECT.
AND THEY HAVE A LEGAL RIGHT TO DISPLAY CARS FOR SALE.
I DON'T ANTICIPATE THEY'LL BE, UM, STORING NEW CARS.
THERE THERE'LL BE CARS THAT ARE BEING STAGED FOR, UM, THAT ARE GETTING SERVICED.
THEY'LL BE STORING THEM IN INDOORS.
AND THEN THE EMPLOYEES WILL OCCUPY THOSE SPACES IS ZONING ON THE NUMBER OF CARS THAT HAVE IN A DEALERSHIP THAT SERVICES CARS.
WHAT, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION AGAIN? IS THERE ZONING ON LIKE THERE IS EVERYWHERE ELSE FOR AMOUNT OF CARS THAT CAN BE PARKED OR HAVE TO BE PARKED ON A PARTICULAR SITE? IS THERE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO, WE HAVE PARKING REQUIREMENTS BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING AND THE USE.
AND SO WHEN THIS, IF, IF THIS WERE TO MOVE FORWARD FOR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, WE WOULD BE APPLYING THOSE STANDARDS.
UM, AND THEY THERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S BASED, SO THERE'S A, I, WE HAVE NOT MADE THOSE CALCULATIONS YET.
RIGHT NOW, WE, WE VIEW THIS PLAN AS ILLUSTRATIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, SHOWING WHAT THE INTENT OF THE PROPERTY OWNER OR YOU IS.
BUT WHEN THEY COME FORWARD TO STAFF REVIEW TEAM TO, TO GET A DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, WE'RE GONNA BE SCRUTINIZING EVERYTHING.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE SETBACKS, THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE NOT BY APPROVAL OF THIS.
WE'RE NOT ENDORSING THIS LAYOUT.
WE'RE ENDORSING THE CO THIS IS USED AS AN ILLUSTRATION OF HOW THEY'RE EXPANDING THE DEALERSHIP TO UTILIZE THIS PROPERTY.
AND THAT PARKING'S CLEAR THE 50 FOOT, CORRECT.
IT, IT WAS, IT IS DRAWN TO MEET THE STANDARDS OF THE ORDINANCE WERE PARKED AT ONE PER 300 GROSS SQUARE FEET.
IT'S A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
WE'VE GOT ROUGHLY 34 SPACES AND THAT'S ALL WITHIN THE SETBACKS.
SO WE, WE ADHERE TO 50 FOOT, 2 78 SETBACK, THE, UH, UH, THE ADJACENT, UH, UH, RESIDENTIAL SETBACK, WHICH IS ALSO 50 FEET.
AND THEN OUR COMMERCIAL SETBACK OFF THE WETLAND TO THE REAR THAT'S WAS MY NEXT QUESTION.
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IT'S A WETLAND BUFFER OUR, OUR IN BUILDING SETBACK.
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I ACTUALLY HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE MAP HERE AND LOOKING AT THE ROAD 2 78, RIGHT.
WHERE THE TUR, WHERE THE TURN LANE FOR THE MERCEDES HONDA DEALER STARTS IS RIGHT ON THE BORDERLINE OF THIS PROPERTY.
SO THIS PROPERTY PRESENTLY FOR THAT HOUSE, THAT'S, THERE HAS A CURB CUT.
AND IT REALLY HAS TO GO BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S AN ACCIDENT OF WAITING TO HAPPEN.
IF, IF YOU ALLOW CARS TO START TURNING OFF 2 78, BEFORE
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THAT TURN LANE STARTS.SO IS, IS THAT PART OF THE, YOU KNOW, CAN THAT BE PART OF THE CONDITIONS OF THIS? YEAH, WE, THEY WOULD ABANDON THAT EXISTING CURB CODE, THE EXISTING.
IT'S STILL GONNA HAVE THE ONE ON THE OTHER LOT THOUGH, BUT, BUT NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT THAT.
WELL, I THINK, UM, I THINK MR. MERCHANT SAID, IF WE WENT TO HAVE A PROVISION, THERE IS NO INGRESS OR EGRESS ONTO 3 78 FROM THIS, UH, NEW PROPERTY, THEN WE COULD, WE COULD SPECIFY THAT OUR, YEAH.
I I'M, I'M ACTUALLY MORE CONCERNED THAT SOMEBODY SAYS, HEY, WAIT A SECOND.
WELL, I SAID, I WASN'T GO A NEW CURB CUT IN, BUT I WANNA LEAVE THE ONE THAT'S THERE, THERE, GOOD POINT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.
CAUSE THERE IS ONE THERE RIGHT NOW.
WELL, WE, WE DON'T WANT ANY IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS, MS. DO, DOES THAT HAVE TO BE PART OF THE MOTION OR NO, IT DOES.
THANK YOU, MR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ASS BACK UP TO US.
IS THERE ANY FINAL QUESTION THAT YOU, ANYBODY WANTS TO ASK? OKAY.
THEN IF, IF THEIR HEARING NONE, UM, ARE THERE ANY, WOULD SOMEONE CARE TO MAKE A, A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ZONING AMENDMENT REQUEST? YES.
ON ITEM SEVEN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE ZONING MAT AMENDMENT REZONING REQUESTS FOR 4.25 ACRES AT 1 75 FORTING ISLAND ROAD.
I'M NOT READING THAT LONG NUMBER TO C FIVE REGIONAL SENSOR MIXED USE, UH, AGENT JOSH TILLER OWNER LO LAURA LEWIS.
IN ADDITION THAT THE EXISTING CURB CUT BE CLOSED AND NO, NO CURB CUT, UH, BE ALLOWED ON THE, UH, PROPERTY AFTER THE ZONING GOES AFTER.
AND WE HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.
I'LL SECOND OF YOUR SECOND CAROLYN.
I THOUGHT KEVIN, YOU HAD A SECOND CONDITION, WHICH WAS THAT, UM, BOTH THAT THE, UH, PROPOSED LOT THAT GOES INTO OR THE EXISTING TO PROPOSE WOULD BE CONSOLIDATED INTO ONE LOT.
ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER? NO, NO, I DIDN'T MENTION THAT.
NO, I MEAN, I'M OKAY IF THEY DO THAT, BUT THAT WASN'T OKAY.
I, I JUST THOUGHT THERE WERE TWO CONDITIONS.
NOT JUST THE, CAN WE, CAN WE NOT, CAN WE TALK ABOUT THAT? WHAT ABOUT, WELL, IT IT'S OPEN TO DISCUSSION THE MOTION THAT'S BEEN MADE.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS ONE OF THE GONNA BE ONE OF THE CONDITIONS, JUST FOR SOME CLARIFICATION.
THAT IS, THAT IS A WAY THAT THIS CAN BE GIVEN SOME TEETH.
IS THAT COUNSEL PRIOR TO GIVEN THIRD AND FINAL READING COULD, COULD REQUIRE THIS, THESE TWO LOTS TO BE COMBINED.
YOU WANNA RESTATE THE MOTION? YEAH,
THAT'S I'M NOT READING A LONG NUMBER THOUGH.
SO, UM, TO RESTATE THE MOTION, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT REZONING REQUEST FOR 4.25 ACRES AT 1 75 40 ISLAND ROAD FROM T TWO WORLD TO C FIVE REGIONAL MIXED USE DISTRICT, UM, INCLUDED IN THE MOTION ARE THE ELIMINATION OF THE EXISTING DRIVE DRIVEWAY CUT AND NO FUTURE DRIVEWAY CUT.
AND THAT THE TWO LOTS BE MERGED TOGETHER INTO ONE PROPERTY.
AND I'LL SECOND THAT YOU'LL SECOND.
WE HAVE THIS ANY FURTHER THE DISCUSSION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION AND STATE IT.
RAISE YOUR HAND ANY OPPOSED NOW IT'S UNANIMOUS.
YOU DON'T WANT TO HANG AROUND FOR THE REST OVER LOTS OF FUN, JOSH.
WE'RE UP TO, UH, TEXT AMENDMENT TO
[8. TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE (CDC): SECTION 5.11.60 (RIVER BUFFER) TO CLARIFY PENALTIES FOR REMOVING TREES FROM THE RIVER BUFFER WITHOUT APPROPRIATE PERMITS.]
THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE ON SECTION 5, 11 60 RIVER BUFFERS, TO CLARIFY THE PENALTIES FOR REMOVING TREES FROM THE RIVER BUFFER WITHOUT APPROPRIATE PERMITS.SO THIS, I THINK WILL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE
SO HERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TREES.
THIS IS KIND OF A CONTINUATION ON SOME OF THE LAST TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT WE HAD.
AND WE KIND OF WENT INTO THE TREE ORDINANCE SECTION, KIND OF TIGHTEN UP AND MADE, GAVE IT SOME MORE TEA AND YOU ALL WERE VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THAT.
YOU KIND OF GAVE US SOME DIRECTION TO KIND OF BRING THOSE FORWARD A LITTLE BIT SOONER THAN THAT.
SO THIS IS KIND OF A CONTINUATION OF THAT.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THIS SECTION HERE, AS ANYBODY'S READING THIS SECTION, THAT WE'RE ADDING INTO RIVER BUFFER, WE CURRENTLY HAVE THIS LANGUAGE AND SECTION FOR PENALTIES FOR TREE REMOVAL WITHOUT A PERMIT IN OTHER AREAS.
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HAVE THAT THIS SPECIFICALLY IS ADDRESSING WHEN THAT OCCURS IN A RIVER BUFFER.SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT DISTINCTION HERE WITH THIS SECTION AND WHAT WE'RE DONE THAT GREAT.
SO WE'RE ADDING THIS TO CLARIFY THAT, AND THIS IS AMANDA, AND SHE GOES OUT THERE AND SHE DOES THIS.
YOU ALWAYS SAY IS RULES ALWAYS HAVE TO COME ABOUT FOR REASONS.
SO THERE'S A, SO THIS ESSENTIALLY IS PROVIDING TEETH TO, IF SOMEBODY GOES IN, IN VERY HIGH, VALUABLE LAND AND WANTS TO INCREASE THEIR VIEW AND THEY GO AND THEY CUT RIVER BUFFER TREES OR ANY VEGETATION WITHIN THAT.
AND SO IF THEY DID THAT PRIOR TO GETTING A PERMIT, THIS IS WHAT WOULD KICK IN.
AND THIS WOULD BE THEIR PENALTY, THE MAIN COMPONENT OF WHAT WOULD SEPARATE, WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AND WHAT THE RIVER BUFFER STANDARD WOULD BE TWO MAIN FACTORS HERE.
ONE, IF YOU DO IT OUTSIDE OF A RIVER BUFFER AND YOU GO AND YOU CUT A TREE, YOU HAVE TO PLANT BACK 1.25, THAT AMOUNT IN THIS SECTION, IT'S TWO TIMES THE AMOUNT.
SO THE PENALTY IS STIFFER, CUZ WE THOUGHT THE STAKES WERE HIGHER.
SO WE WENT AHEAD AND JUST CREATED IT AND WENT FROM 1.2, FIVE TO TWO TIMES THE AMOUNT IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE MADE IT VERY CLEAR.
IF YOU LOOK IN THE LAST SENTENCE THAT SOMETIMES YOU COULD HAVE SOMEBODY WHO GOES AND CUTS IT AND SAYS, GREAT, WHAT'S MY FEE.
SO THAT LAST PROVISION IS THEY DO GO IN AND DO IT.
NOT ONLY DO THEY HAVE TO PLANT IT BACK TWO TIMES, THEY CAN'T IMMEDIATELY JUST GO AND PAY INTO THE MITIGATION BANK.
THEY HAVE TO EXPLORE THE OPPORTUNITY OF REPLANTING ON THE SITE.
FIRST, MAXIMIZING EVERYTHING THEY CAN AND THEN WHATEVER THEY CAN'T FIT, THEN THEY PAY THE PENALTY FEE.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO MAIN COMPONENTS OF WHAT WE HAVE HERE THAT ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THE EXISTING LANGUAGE IN THE CODE.
I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS.
MINE'S MORE OF A COMMENT I'VE BEEN IN WORKING WITH DEVELOPERS FOR ALMOST 50 YEARS NOW AND HIT THEM IN THE WALLET.
IT DOESN'T HURT THEM, STOPPING THEM FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, GETS THEIR ATTENTION.
YOU SAY, IF YOU CUT THE TREES DOWN, THEN YOU HAVE TO STOP FOR SIX MONTHS OR YOU HAVE TO STOP FOR A YEAR BEFORE YOU CAN PROCEED WITH YOUR DEVELOPMENT.
IN ADDITION TO, AND WHAT AT, AT WHAT HEIGHT AND GROWTH RATE THEY HAVE TO REPLACE TREE ONE, TWO TIMES INCH PER INCH.
SO THEY CAN PLANT TWICE AS MANY TREES THAT ARE TWO INCHES INSTEAD OF HALF, AS MANY TREES THAT ARE FOUR, WHICH IS WHAT THEY SHOULD BE, WHICH WILL TAKE TWICE AS LONG TO GROW AND GET THE, AND GET IT BACK.
I THINK IT'S BOGUS DEVELOPERS DON'T CARE ABOUT THE MONEY THEY'LL PAY AND THEY HAVE PAID REMEMBER ONE THAT WE TOTALLY LOST CONTROL OF.
AND THAT'S WHERE I, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING, IF YOU HAVE A PENALTY IN THERE, THAT'LL STOP 'EM FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, THEN THAT GETS THEIR ATTENTION.
UM, ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO INCREASE THE ENFORCEMENT OF NOT OF PROTECTING OUR ENVIRONMENT, OUR TREES, WHICH ARE AREN'T JUST FOR THEIR BEAUTY AND THEIR APPEARANCE, BUT FOR THE HEALTH BENEFITS THAT THEY PROVIDE IN THE ABSORPTION OF COPS, DEPARTMENT OXIDE, UM, WE KNOW THAT, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN VIOLATIONS, UH, AND I DO AGREE THAT, UH, A VIOLATION TO PAY A FEW DOLLARS INTO A, A REFI STATION FEE, UH, IS OFTEN LOOKED AT AS DOING PART OF DOING BUSINESS.
I THINK SAM'S POINT ROAD, THERE WAS A DEVELOPER ON THAT ROAD.
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THIS MIGHT BE AN OLD BUSINESS BROUGHT UP IN THE FUTURE.
WHY HAVE A SEPARATE STANDARD, HOW MUCH YOU'RE GONNA FIND PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY, THEY, IN BOTH CASES, THEY ACT WANTINGLY ILLEGALLY.
AND USUALLY THESE, THE ONES WHO DO THAT ARE ONES WHO ARE NATIONAL BUILDERS AND THEY CERTAINLY KNOW THE STANDARDS.
SO I, I WOULD SAY, WHY NOT BE TWO TIMES ALSO FOR ILLEGALLY, NOT IN THE RIVER BUFFER AS EXPOSED TO WHY THE DISTINCTION, WELL, CURRENTLY THE CODE'S 1.25.
SO AS A PART OF THIS DISCUSSION,
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IF YOU LIKE, WHAT STAFF HAS DONE WITH THIS AND THE LOGIC THAT WE'VE APPLIED TO IT, AND YOU'RE SAYING, HEY, WE KIND OF LIKE THIS FORMULA.CAN YOU BRING BACK THAT SECTION IN THE TREE ORDINANCE AND ADD MAKING THAT TWO AS WELL, OR ADDING SIMILAR LANGUAGE THAT YOU SEE HERE, WE CAN REVISIT THAT, BUT THAT'S IN A SEPARATE SECTION.
AND WE CAN ALSO GOING BACK TO THE, STAY ON PROPERTY CURRENTLY IT'S TWO YEARS.
IF YOU WANT US TO REVISIT THAT WE CAN BRING THAT TO YOU.
YOU KNOW, THESE ARE ALL AGAIN, THROUGH THINGS THAT IF THEY'RE CONCERNS, YOU JUST HAVE TO EXPRESS THOSE.
WE CAN GO FIND WHERE CODE THEY'RE AT.
I DON'T CARE HOW MANY TREES YOU PLANT THAT IN OUR LIFETIME.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING YOU TALK ABOUT TEETH.
I KNOW WE WORKED ON THAT, THIS WHOLE THING REAL HARD.
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AND I KNOW WE, WE DID OUR BEST.
UM, BUT IT'S GOTTEN EVEN MORE SERIOUS.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A MOVING TARGET, YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU CAN CUT A TREE GRIND, A STUMP, AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT NEVER EXISTED.
IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT, I STOP THEM FROM CONSTRUCTION.
UM, I DON'T SEE IN HERE ADDRESS THE VALUE OF THE TREE, CUZ IF YOU'VE SEEN ANY OF THESE BIGGER DEVELOPMENTS, IT ACTUALLY BECOMES LIKE A, UH, UM, A LUMBER OPERATION.
I ACTUALLY HAVE FILM ON MY PHONE.
THEY CUT DOWN ALL THE TREES AND RAN 'EM THROUGH A MACHINE, TOOK ALL THE, EVERYTHING OFF OF THEM.
AND THEN THEY PUT 'EM ON A BIG TRUCK AND THEY WENT OFF, THE LOGS, WENT ONE PLACE AND THEY ALL GOT SOLD.
WHETHER IT BE, UH, THE ONES THAT ARE UNDER A CERTAIN AMOUNT FOR PAPER AND THE ONES OVER A CERTAIN AMOUNT FOR LUMBER, THEN THEY COME ALONG WITH ANOTHER TRUCK.
THEY PICKED UP EVERY TWIG ON THE GROUND THAT WENT INTO A CHIPPER.
THEN THEY CAME WITH A BIG BACKHOE AND THEY PULLED UP.
EVERY STUMP, PULLED IT UP, UP OUT OF THE GROUND THAT WENT INTO THE CHIPPER.
SO I SAID, WELL, WHERE ARE ALL THOSE CHIPS GOING? ARE THEY GOING TO A LANDFILL? OH NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
THEY GET SOLD TO A POWER PLANT UP IN NORTH CAROLINA AND THEY'RE SOLD TO BURN FOR ELECTRICITY TO PRODUCE ELECTRICITY SOLD TO THE CHIP THERE.
SO THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF SPECK OF SAW DUST ON THAT PROPERTY IS HARVESTED INTO MONEY FOR THE DEVELOPER.
AND UM, SO HE, YOU KNOW, GOD, YOU GOTTA PLANT A COUPLE TREES.
HE'S GOTTA DO A LITTLE BIT OF THIS AND THAT.
BUT WHAT ABOUT ALL THE MONEY THAT HE GETS FROM WHAT HE DID? HE SHOULD HAVE TO FORFEIT THAT TO CRIME, RIGHT? I MEAN, CUTTING DOWN THE PRIESTS AGAINST LAW.
SO HE SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PROFIT FROM, TO KIND OF GET IN.
NOT, NOT ALWAYS CUTTING TREES IS AGAINST THE LAW.
WELL, NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT, IF YOU'RE CUTTING, WE NEED WOOD.
WE NEED PRODUCTS THAT ARE MADE FROM TREES.
ESPECIALLY IN THIS REGION, IT'S IN THE CONTEXT OF HOW DO YOU BALANCE OUR NEED FOR THE RESOURCE FIRST, OUR NEED FOR THE HUMAN HABITATION OF THAT SPACE THROUGH DEVELOPMENT AND THE BUFORD COUNTY'S TREE ORDINANCE IS PRETTY GOOD.
AND IF YOU COMPARE IT, YOU LOOK AT A LOT OF OTHER TREE OR SO I THINK YOU ALL SHOULD BE PRETTY PROUD OF WHAT YOU'VE GOT.
WHAT WE'RE BRINGING YOU HERE TONIGHT IS SOMETHING TO MAKE IT BETTER.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THOSE SECTIONS.
IF YOU ALL HAVE IDEAS ON SOME OTHER THINGS, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
BUT WHAT WE'RE BRINGING HERE TONIGHT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE IN THE RIVER BUFFER REGARDING PENALTIES AND THEN THE PLANT BACK REQUIREMENT AS A MUST FIRE TO PAYING THAT FEE.
I WANTED TO JUST CLARIFY, BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING, KEVIN SOUNDS LIKE A FORESTRY OPERATION.
AND THE STATE IS VERY CLEAR THAT THEY DO NOT ALLOW LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO REGULATE FORESTRY.
SO IF SOMEBODY IS DOING LEGITIMATE SILVER CULTURE FORESTRY AND HARVESTING THE TREES, WE HAVE THAT WAITING PERIOD.
AND THEN IMMEDIATELY TURN, TURN AROUND AND GET A DEVELOPMENT.
PERMIT IS A WAY TO SKIRT OUR TREE REQUIREMENTS.
BUT YOU KNOW, THAT TYPE OF OPERATION, I MEAN, THAT'S, IT'S REGULATED, THAT'S LEGITIMATE FORESTRY BY THE STATE AND WE KIND OF HAVE OUR HAND.
WE CAN'T EVEN REQUIRE BUFFERS, YOU KNOW? SO THERE WERE HOUSES THERE WITHIN FOUR OR FIVE WEEKS OF, OF THEM DOING THIS WAS PART OF THE PROCESS OF BUILDING THE HOUSE.
THE GUY, THE GUY THERE TOLD ME THE GUY IN THE BACK JURISDICTION, HUH? IS THIS IN BEAUFORD? COUNTY'S JURISDICTION? WELL, IT COULD BE THAT.
I MEAN, ON THE OTHER HAND, THE, I DON'T WANNA MENTION CLEARING THAT THEY WERE DOING FOR THAT SITE MAY HAVE BEEN PART OF APPROVED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
I CAN'T, OH, I CAN'T SAY IT WAS IF IT'S PART OF AN APPROVED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND IT'S ALREADY BEEN REVIEWED AND THE TREES, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD HAVE,
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YEAH.THEY JUST MADE VERY GOOD EFFICIENT USE OF THE TREES.
NO, NO, I I'M ALL WITH YOU AND THIS WASN'T APPROVED DEVELOPMENT.
WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS THE GUY WHO DOESN'T GET THE PERMIT, WHO DOESN'T HAVE AN APPROVED DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
BUT HE, HE'S STILL SELLING ALL THOSE TREES AND ALL THAT.
SO DOES AND EVERYTHING ELSE HE'S SELLING EVERYTHING.
SO THAT'S PART, HE'S KEEPING THAT MONEY BELIEVE YOU BROUGHT UP ON WHAT'S THAT PENALTY.
SO THAT'S, WHAT'S CALLED THE STAY ON PROPERTY CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW IN B COUNTY IT'S TWO YEARS.
AND UNDER WHAT CONDITIONS AND TO GO AND JUST CLEAR, JUST CUT PROPERTY, CUT TREES WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, GOING PROPER DEVELOPMENT.
HAVE WE ENFORCE THAT ON ANYONE? WE DO ACTUALLY.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, CUZ USUALLY, I MEAN IF A RECENT EXAMPLE AND ED KNOWS ALL ABOUT THIS AT THE CORNER OF, UM, CHESS, OR I'M SORRY, CAL COUNTY TO DRIVE ONE 70 AND ONE 70, THERE'S A VERY PROMINENT PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WAS CLEAR CUT.
AND WE LOOKED, WE, WE CONTACTED THE STATE, WE LOOKED AT ALL THE REGULATIONS.
THERE WAS NOTHING WE COULD DO.
BUT THE ONE THING THAT THEY COULDN'T DO IS TURN AROUND AND THEN PROPOSED TO BUILD SOMETHING THERE.
EVEN IF IT WAS SOMETHING ALLOW UNDER THE ZONING ORDINANCE, BECAUSE THAT WAS SORT OF GAMING THE SYSTEM, YOU REMOVE THE TREES AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAVE A BLANK SLATE TO DEVELOP.
SO THAT TIME PERIOD, THAT WAITING PERIOD IS WHAT'S TWO YEARS, YOU KNOW, PROVIDES A DISINCENTIVE.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE MAY WANNA REVISIT AT A FEATURE GAME TALKING ABOUT IS THAT WHETHER TWO YEARS IS ENOUGH.
SO A LOT OF JURISDICTIONS HAVE FIVE.
SO I MEAN MORE, IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARDER.
THERE'S ALSO THE QUESTION OF, YOU KNOW, BEING A, UM, A COMMUNITY THAT'S SO ECOS SENSITIVE AS WE ARE WITH A LOT OF, A LOT OF WATER MARSHLANDS.
AND SO I, I'M NOT SURE IF STATE GENERAL STATE LAW SUITS US AS WELL WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REMOVAL OF TREES ON THE COAST AND COASTAL PROPERTIES AND, AND THE EROSION THAT IT CREATES AND ET CETERA.
UM, SO IT MAY, MAY BE THAT WE, WE PETITION FOR, UH, A LITTLE LEEWAY AND CONTROLLING SOME OF THE FOREST STATION THAT GOES ON IN THIS COUNTY.
WELL, I DON'T, I DON'T, WE, I, THERE IS BODY STATE.
THE STATE IS SO TIGHT ON THAT SOUTH FORESTRY AND THEY, WHAT THEY GET RIGHT GET FROM TREE ORDINANCE IS I THINKS PRETTY, PRETTY SOLID.
YOU CAN BLAME IT ON COAST FOR RISING AND THEY CAN'T DO THAT IN MIDLANDS.
SO I HAVE ALL THE TREES THEY WANT, THEY'LL BE IN THE WATER.
AND I WILL SAY THE BOATYARD ISLAND, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE ENTITIES THAT'S BEEN OUT THERE, LOGGING HAS BEEN THE COUNTY ON OUR RURAL CRITICAL LANDS BECAUSE THERE ARE FORESTS OUT THERE THAT ARE UNSUSTAINABLE THERE.
THE TREES ARE PLANT TOO CLOSE TOGETHER THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T PROVIDE GOOD HABITAT.
AND SO LIKE ON THE PROPERTY NEXT TO, UM, MAIL AND BLUFF, WE'RE GONNA BE, SEE, THERE'S A ROAD DRIES OUT ENOUGH.
UM, THERE'LL BE LOGGING THAT AREA.
PART OF IT'LL BE CLEAR CUT BECAUSE THAT FOREST JUST SIMPLY HAS NO, NO VALUE.
ANOTHER AREA WILL BE THINNED OUT SO THAT THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BECOME MORE DIVERSE AND, AND ALLOW MORE, MORE ROOM FOR THE TREES TO GROW.
SO NOT EVERY, NOT EVERY FOREST MANAGEMENT FOREST THAT YOU SEE FROM THE SIDE OF THE ROAD IS NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, SOME OF HER PLANTED AND THEY'RE REALLY NOT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PROVIDING SOME HABITAT THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT AS VALUABLE AS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A MATURE FOREST OR MARITIME FOREST OR, YOU KNOW, ONE THAT IS, YOU KNOW, HAS A DIVERSITY OF SPECIES AND, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND AS WELL.
WELL, YOU CLEARLY CHALLENGED US TO COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO VISIT.
SO I, I WOULD ASK IS IF, IF YOU DO HAVE THOUGHTS AND IDEAS OF HOW THINGS THAT YOU THINK WE CAN DO TO STRENGTHEN THE ORDINANCES OF PERTAINING TO PROTECTION OF TREES, UM, BY ALL MEANS, YOU KNOW, SIMPLY SEND 'EM TO ME AND I'LL FORWARD THEM ON AND YEAH, YOU SEEM QUITE KNOWLEDGEABLE AND AN APPROPRIATE TIME.
WE'LL, WE'LL DISCUSS, 'EM NOT JUST FOR US, BUT FOR OTHER MUNICIPALS, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE THAT STAY PERIOD, WE'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT STAFF LEVEL.
I'M SORRY, THE, THE STAY REQUIREMENT, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, HEY, WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO STAFF TO LOOK INTO THAT EXISTING TWO YEAR STAY REQUIRE, I MEAN, OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW.
BUT IT CAME UP AS CONVERSATION.
WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT AND MEAN PROVISION OF LENGTHENING IT OR ELIMINATING.
WHAT OTHER MENTALITIES HAVE DONE INCREASING TWO TO FIVE YEARS.
AND I THINK THIS DOES THE STATE, I THINK THE STATE CAPS IT AT FIVE, I THINK FIVES MAX.
SO THEY GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF WIGGLE ROOM TO WORK WITH IT.
LET'S DO IT ALL, GO FOR IT, STOP IT, DEAD IN THE WATER, MAKE IT SO STAR TREK, IS THAT WHAT YOU JUST DID? BEN ADDICTION
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IT.SO EIGHTH DAY ED SAID, DO WE MAKE A FORMAL REQUEST? HOW DO WE DO THIS? WELL, I KNOW, I DON'T THINK, I MEAN, WE GOT, WE GOT, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU WANT.
UM, AND THEN WE CAN, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE WE'RE BRINGING YOU TEXT AMENDMENTS NOW.
A LOT OF THIS IS A DYNAMIC PROCESS.
THESE CONVERSATIONS COME UP FROM THESE CONVERSATIONS OF WHAT WE'RE BRINGING YOU.
AND, UM, SO JUST FROM THIS CONVERSATION, IT'S PROVIDED US WITH SOME DIRECTION.
AND WE CAN BRING THAT FORWARD AS A TEXT AMENDMENT IF THAT'S, I'D LOVE TO SAY THAT.
AND I, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, I ALSO MADE THE POINT OF THE DISTINCTION YOU MADE BETWEEN RIVER BUFFER TREES AND THAT ARE ILLEGALLY YEAH.
DONE AND, AND NON RIVER BUFFER TREES, WHICH THEY HAVE A MUCH LOWER, UH, DBH REQUIREMENT FOR, YOU KNOW, 1, 2, 5 VERSUS 2000.
SO WE ALSO, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE INTERESTED IN US MAYBE LOOKING AT THAT 1.25.
AND IF YOU LIKE THE LANGUAGE HERE, TWO, MAYBE LOOKING AT THAT AND MAKING IT TWO.
I MEAN, CLARIFY BETWEEN HARDWOOD AND PIE.
WELL, WE, WELL, WE HAVE, UM, IN OUR ORDINANCE WE HAVE DEFINITIONS FOR SPECIMEN TREES.
SO WE MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN SPECIES RIGHT, AND SIZE THE SIZE OF A TREES THAT, THAT DEFINE A SPECIMEN, VERY DETAILED.
IF IT'S A SPECIMEN TREE, IT HAS TO BE MITIGATED INCH PER INCH.
AND, AND SO IF IT'S A LARGE TREE, THEN THAT REALLY STARTS TO ADD UP IF IT IS A NON SPECIMEN, THEN IT'S PER TREE IS, IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
SO WE DO TAKE SPECIES INTO ACCOUNT, AND THEN THERE'S SOME SPECIES LIKE CHINESE TALL, UM, MIMOSA, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE INVASIVE SPECIES THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY GO GO TO THE ALPHA SAVANNAH.
SO IN ADDITION TO ALL OF THIS CONVERSATION, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE THINGS YOU'RE SAYING, WE AT STAFF LEVEL DISCUSS ALL THE TIME.
IN ADDITION TO GOING INTO THE CODE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FEES, WE'RE DOING INCHES STAFF IS ALSO CURRENTLY LOOKING AT WORKING TOWARDS INCREASING WHAT THAT MITIGATION FEE IS AS WELL.
SO THEY GET HIT THERE AS WELL.
I WOULD LOOK ALSO LOOK AT SPRING ISLAND.
THEY'RE VERY PROACTIVE ABOUT IT.
YOU CUT DOWN, TAKE AWAY EVERYTHING THAT IT HAS TO DO WITH TREES THAT ARE NON INDIGENOUS.
SO, AND THEN SOME, AND HE MUST TAKE, WE HAVE FALLS OF THE WORLD ADMINISTERING THE CODE IS WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO.
WE HAVE ONE STAFF MEMBER WHO HAS TO TAKE THIS ALL ON AND HAS OTHER DUTIES.
SO THAT'S THE REALITY OF, UH, ZONING ADMINISTRATION WHEN YOU HAVE MILLIONS.
WE, YOU HAVE A, YOU HAVE A NEW TOOL THAT BRINGS IN THAT KIND OF INFORMATION TO YOU THOUGH.
THE ONLINE ACCESS TO, UH, I THINK IT'S MY BEAUFORD COUNTY OR BEAUFORD WHERE YOU CAN TAKE A PICTURE OF, OF A VIOLATION THAT YOU SEE OR SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED AND INSTANTLY SEND IT IN.
UH, I DON'T KNOW WHO GETS THOSE, BUT OH, WHEN IT COMES TO TREE CUTTING, WE GET CALLS.
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THIS HAS BEEN A GOOD CONVERSATION.
WHERE ARE WE? WE'RE STILL ON THE LANGUAGE.
I JUST DEFINED THAT THE GENERAL DYNAMICS OF THE LANGUAGE WE HAVE IN THE CODE AND THE LANGUAGE WE'RE TRYING TO IMPLEMENT IN A RIVER BUFFER.
UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THAT, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU ALL GRASP THAT IDEA.
UM, BUT I CAN ANSWER MORE IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, IF NOT, CAN I HAVE, HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, UH, AMENDMENT PLEASE? YEP.
WE APPROVE THE TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE COUNTY, THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE, SECTION FIVE DOT 1160 TO CLARIFY PENALTIES FROM MOVING TREES FROM THE RIVER BUFFER WITHOUT APPROPRIATE.
WELL, SOMEBODY WHO SECOND IT KALE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA HOLD OFF ON THIS AND LET YOU GUYS DO SOME MORE WORK TO FINE TUNE.
OR ARE WE GONNA VOTE ON IT AND THEN ADD TO IT? GO AND FIND TOO.
YEAH, WE CAN ADD STATE YOU'RE IN DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW.
YOU'RE OKAY WITH THIS LANGUAGE, FOR THIS SECTION.
THROUGH THE CONVERSATION IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP FOR GO US TO GO LOOK AT OTHER SECTIONS AND BRING THOSE BACK TO YOU.
THAT'S NOT THIS, BUT YOU LIKE THIS HERE? YES.
THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING TOO.
WHAT ABOUT YOU RAN? WELL, THAT COULD ALSO BE PART OF THE OTHER THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S MORE TEETH THAT IF WE SEE THE MORE TEETH WILL JUST APPLY TO IT AS WELL.
SO THAT, SO THIS IS AN IMPROVEMENT, BUT WE'RE NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SATISFIED, RIGHT.
WITHOUT A STAKE, AT LEAST I'M NOT, I HEAR YOU.
BECAUSE THE PENALTIES WILL BE UNDER THE TREE ORDINANCE PART.
WHEREAS THIS IS JUST THE RIVER BUFFER WITHIN THE RIVER BUFFER WHERE THE OTHER SECTION WILL BE UNDER THAT ONE SECTION WILL BE, HAVE THE CURRENT LANGUAGE WHERE WE HAVE THE LANGUAGE ON THIS STAY AND
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ALL THE OTHER INFORMATION FOR WHERE THE EXISTING PENALTIES EXIST.THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BRING FORWARD.
I WOULD ALSO BE INTERESTED TO SEE HOW WE COMPARE WITH OUR LANGUAGE AND THE MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE ON THE WATER.
NO, I DON'T THINK SHE'S THERE ANY LONGER.
NO, I MEAN THERE'S, I MEAN, BEAVER, COUNTY'S GOT A REALLY GOOD CODE.
I MEAN, IT'S GOT A GOOD RIVER BUFFER ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S THERE.
I JUST WANT, WOULD LIKE TO COMPARE, ARE WE LESS THAN, MORE THAN DIFFERENT? OUR SAME AREA THAT'S ON THE RIVER FOR RIVER BUFFERS.
SO I KINDS LIKE WHEN RIVER BUFFERS ARE TALKING ABOUT, OKAY.
I THINK IT SHOULD ALWAYS BE OUR, OUR GOAL IS TO GET A UNIFORMITY ACROSS THE COUNTY.
YOU KNOW, BUT THE MUNICIPALITIES HAVE THEIR OWN GOVERNANCE.
UH, JUST A MATTER OF DOING WHAT'S RIGHT BY ALL THE CITIZENS.
I, I WOULD LOVE FOR THE MUNICIPALITIES AND I'VE LIVED IN ONE FOR 20 YEARS TO POINT THE FINGER US AND SAID, LOOK WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
LOOK, THE RESULTS THAT THEY'RE HAVING, BECAUSE WE'RE SETTING AN EXAMPLE.
I THINK WE'VE HAD A SECOND AND, AND WE'VE DISCUSSED IT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT AS PROPOSED AMENDMENT AS PROPOSED ANY OBJECTIONS? NO UNANIMOUS.
[9. TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE (CDC): TABLE 3.1.60 (CONSOLIDATED USE TABLE) AND SECTION 3.2.100.H (T4HC, T4VC, AND T4HCO ALLOWED USES) TO AMEND THE MAXIMUM BUILDING SIZE FOR GENERAL RETAIL FOR THE T4 VILLAGE CENTER (T4VC) DISTRICT.]
WHEN YOU PLAY BACKGROUND MUSIC IN BETWEEN, THIS IS, CAN WE GET, WHAT ARE THEY CALL THIS? THIS IS AMENDMENT TO, UH, TEXT AMENDMENT TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE.SO THIS SHOULD BE, DO YOU WANNA READ, UM, OH, I'M SORRY.
YEAH, WELL JUST STARTING TO READ IT, BUT GOT SO MANY TABLES AND SECTIONS TO IT, TEXAS AMENDMENT TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE TABLE 3, 1 6.
OH, CONSOLIDATE USE TABLE IN SECTION THREE, DO 2, 108 POINT H T FOR HC, T4, T4, VC, CETERA.
TO AMEND THE MAXIMUM BUILDING SIZE FOR GENERAL RETAIL FOR THE T FOUR VILLAGE CENTER AT DISTRICT.
UM, YEAH, AND ACTUALLY THE, THE ACTUAL TEXT AMENDMENT IS A LOT SIMPLER THAN IT EVEN TAKES TO READ THAT
HELEN ISLAND TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THE STANDARDS AND SOME OF THE ISSUES RELATED TO THE CORNERS COMMUNITY.
AND, UM, SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT ONE SPECIFICALLY HAS TO DO WITH AN ORDINANCE CHANGE.
UM, AND THIS DEALS WITH A D UH, ZONING DISTRICT THAT IS ONLY LOCATED IN, IN THE CENTER OF THAT COMMUNITY.
UM, THAT'S AT THE INTERSECTION OF HIGHWAY 21 SEATTLE PARKWAY AND, UH, MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR BOULEVARD.
AND THAT THAT'S KNOWN AS THE CORNERS COMMUNITY.
UM, SOME, I THINK THE OLDER TERM FOR THAT WAS FROG MORE BASED ON THE, THE POST OFFICE, BUT THE, THE TERM USED ON ST.
HELEN ISLAND AND THE SUPPORTS COMMUNITY.
UM, THIS DISTRICT APPLIES ONLY TO THAT AREA.
AND WHEN WE DEVELOPED THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE GO, THIS IS GOING BACK BEFORE 2014, WHEN WE WERE FINE TUNING THAT WE WORKED WITH THE CP COMMITTEE ON THIS DISTRICT CALLED T4 VILLAGE CENTER AND TOOK INTO ACCOUNT SPECIFIC THINGS THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTED TO SEE IN THAT DISTRICT, THE ACTUAL METRICS OR, OR THE SAME AS THE OTHER T4 DISTRICTS.
UM, T4 HAMLET CENTER AND T4 HAMLET CENTER OPEN.
UH, BUT THEY HAVE DIFFERENT USE, UH, DIFFERENT USE REQUIREMENTS.
SO IT MAKES IT KIND OF CUSTOM FIT FOR THAT COMMUNITY.
UM, GOING THROUGH THIS MORE RECENT PROCESS IN 2019, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THAT CP COMMITTEE WAS, AS IT EXISTS, THE DISTRICT ALLOWS UP TO 50,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDINGS.
AND THE COMMITTEE WANTED TO SEE THAT REDUCED TO A MAXIMUM OF 25,000.
AND SO THIS IS MERELY AMENDING THE TABLE TO CAP THE MAXIMUM SIZE.
AND THIS IS THE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, RETAIL GENERAL RETAIL BUILDINGS TO 25,000 SQUARE FEET, JUST GENERAL RETAIL.
AND I BELIEVE SHOULD BE IN THIS TABLE.
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LIKE OFFICE AND SERVICES, THOSE ARE ALREADY CAPPED TO 25,000.THAT ORIGINALLY OR CURRENTLY ALLOWS IT TO GO UP TO, UH, 50,000.
YES, ROB, I THINK IF THE MEETING, SOMEBODY SAID, OH, WELL, 25 IS BASICALLY THE SIDE SIZE OF THE OLD PUBLIC'S ON LADY'S ISLAND.
MAYBE THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT BIGGER.
MAYBE THAT WAS 36, BUT I REMEMBER SOME COMPARISONS GOING ON FOR PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW, TO GET IT IN THEIR, I MEAN, IT WAS HELPFUL TO ME WHAT 25,000 IS VERSUS 50, BECAUSE 50 IS REALLY AT A SCALE WITH CORNER STREET.
AND I THINK THAT ALSO THAT, THAT 50 WAS ORIGINALLY IN THERE IN HOPES THAT THE CORNERS COMMUNITY WOULD ONE DAY GET A LARGE GROCERY STORE.
AND I THINK THAT TODAY THAT'S PROBABLY EVEN LESS LIKELY THAN IT WAS SURE.
BUT I THINK IN YOUR MID TWO THOUSANDS, THERE WAS A, A PROPOSAL FOR PUBLI.
SO AT SOME POINT NOW WITH THE WALMARTS, WITH THE HARRIS TEETER AT OUR FARM AT THAT PROPERTY FACING OUT 20 THAT'S WHERE'S ON THAT 14.
SO THAT, THAT SEEMS MUCH LESS LIKELY.
AND I BELIEVE THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT CONTRIBUTED TO THE COMMITTEE SEEING THIS IS NOT NECESSARY IN INTRODUCING BUILDINGS THAT ARE OUTTA SCALE WITH THE COMMUNITY.
I THINK THE OTHER THING TOO, ROB, IF I MAY, IS THAT, UM, THE NOTION FOR AS LONG AS I'VE WORKED ON THAT COMMITTEE AND IT'S VARIOUS ITERATIONS FOR LIKE 20 YEARS, IS THAT THE IDEA WAS TO HAVE NOT ONLY NOT ANY OR AS FEW AS POSSIBLE OF CHAIN STORES, BUT TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SMALLER, BUT LOTS OF SMALL MOM AND POPS, YOU KNOW, 10,000 SQUARE FEET RATHER THAN A HUMONGOUS 50,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO I, I THINK IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, THE 25 MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
JUST FOR POINT OF KNOWLEDGE, WHERE ELSE IN THE COUNTY DO YOU ALLOW? 50,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDINGS, SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'RE, WE'RE NOT THAT WE'RE VOTING AGAINST NOW? WELL, WE HAVE TWO OTHER, THIS DISTRICT IS SIMILAR IN MANY WAYS TO THE T4 HAMLET CENTER, OPEN DISTRICT, THE T4 HAMLET CENTER.
I THINK THE TFR HANDBOOK CENTER OPEN ALLOWS UP TO 50,000 SQUARE FEET WITH THE IDEA THAT, AND IT'S STILL, IT'S A TRANS EXONE, BUT IT WOULD ALLOW IF YOU WANTED TO INTEGRATE A GROCERY STORE INTO A MORE WALKABLE COMMUNITY, IT WOULD ALLOW THAT THAT SIZE OF STORE TO BE BUILT.
SO OTHER AREAS THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE THAT THE QUARTERS COMMUNITY DOES NOT WANT TO HAVE BUILDINGS OF THAT SCALE.
CAN I HEAR A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT AS PROPOSED? SURE.
I'LL, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION, UM, TO, UH, SUPPORT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE, UH, TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE CDC TABLE 3.1 0.60 TO AMEND THE MAXIMUM BUILDING SIZE FOR GENERAL RETAIL FOR THE T4 VILLAGE CENTER DISTRICT ON ST.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION.
WHAT? BOTH WHAT YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB.
I MEAN, THAT'S A CULMINATION, A YEARS OF WORK AND LISTENING.
WE WE'VE FIRED SOME STUFF AT YOU TODAY, BOTH IN A SECOND IN HERE, EVEN WITH, EVEN WITHOUT JULIANA.
YOU DID WELL, BUT WE MISS HER DONE BETTER.
WE MISS WITHOUT IT, THERE SOUND NO, SHE'S LEAVING.
SHE'S LEAVING AT THE END OF THE MONTH.
SHE'S GOING TO WORK IN SPRING ISLAND, THE DEVELOPMENT OR THE PLANNING AS THE, WHAT AS I THINK THE MESS FOR.
WE'RE STILL IN THE PUBLIC MEETING OAKS.
I GUESS WE'RE AT THE POINT OF OTHER
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COMMENTS OR ANY PARTICULAR COMMENTS THAT I HAVE TO OFFER.I'LL GIVE YOU ANYBODY A CHANCE IF THEY HAVE ANY COMMENTS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO OFFER.
THAT'S WHAT WE CLOSE THE MEETING.
NO, ALL, I I'LL JUST MAKE ONE COMMENT.
UH, WE HAD A, IN OUR WORKSHOP, WE HAD A VERY GOOD DISCUSSION ABOUT BRINGING UP OLD BUSINESS.
I THINK THE STANDARD IS THAT, UM, OLD BUSINESS IS CERTAINLY ALLOWED BEING DEFINED AS ITEMS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY ON OUR AGENDA SOMEWHERE IN OUR ARCHIVES OR FILES.
UM, AND THE ADVANCED NOTE IS GIVEN TO MYSELF THE CHAIRMAN TO BRING
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UP AN OLD ISSUE SO THAT I CAN ADVISE STAFF TO PROPERLY PREPARE ALL OF US TO HAVE A GOOD DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.WHEN IT'S BROUGHT UP BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, IF NOT AT A, IN A PUBLIC FORUM, THE ISSUE MAY NOT BE WELL IN A REGULAR SCHEDULED PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
AND CERTAINLY IN A WORKSHOP SUCH AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE TREES, THAT MIGHT BE ONE THAT WE DO IN A WORKSHOP TO CLARIFY OUR SUGGESTIONS AND IDEAS, IF YOU HAVE ANY TO BRING FORWARD.
AND THOSE ARE CERTAINLY WELCOME ANY NEW BUSINESS AS WELCOME AS WELL.
BUT AGAIN, THE SAME PROCESS OF, UH, BRINGING IT THROUGH, UH, MYSELF AND THE PLANNING STAFF TO ADEQUATELY PREPARE FOR IT.
UH, THAT BEING SAID, DO, UH, THERE ARE NO FURTHER COMMENTS HEARING, NO OBJECTIONS, AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.