Aug 24, 2022 Town of Bluffton Planning Commission

[I. CALL TO ORDER]

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LIKE CARS THIS WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 24TH. PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.

MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL? CHAIRMAN AMANDA JACKSON DENMARK VISE CHAIRMAN CHARLIE WHITMORE.

COMMISSIONER RICH AL GORE. MR. JASON STEWART HERE. MR. FLYNN.

MR. KATHLEEN DUNCAN. COMMISSIONER LYDIA HALL. THANK YOU.

NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT THE BOARD THE PLANNING COMMISSION EXCUSE ME WILL NOT HEAR ITEMS AFTER 9 30 UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS.

ITEMS WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD BEFORE 930 MAY BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OR AN ADDITIONAL MEETING. A DATE IS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS.

NOTICE REGARDING PUBLIC COMMENTS EVERY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC IS RECOGNIZED TO SPEAK SHALL ADDRESS THE CHAIRMAN AND IN SPEAKING AVOID DISRESPECT TO THE COMMISSION TOWN STAFF AND

[V. ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA]

[VI. ADOPTION OF MINUTES]

JULY 26 27 AND AUGUST 2ND TO THE SEPTEMBER MEETING DUE TO LACK QUORUM AND APPROVE THE MINUTES OF JULY 13 2022. TO ADD A SECOND SECOND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL IN

[VII. PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA*]

SO DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS THIS ITEM IS NOT ON THE AGENDA.

JANE INGLIS OK, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND HEAR THAT PUBLIC COMMENT. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. 92 TO ME WAS THE MOST PEOPLE ARE AWARE IN THE LAST FEW YEARS THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC IN ANBAR THAT'S ACROSS WHERE WE LIVE.

SO WE LOVE D.C. FOR TRAFFIC. WE LOVE THE PEOPLE WHO GO THERE.

WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT. BUT THE LAST THREE YEARS IN REALLY THE LAST YEAR THERE'S BEEN A DRAMATIC INCREASE IN THE SIZE OF THE BOTH THE SPEED OF THE BOAT PEOPLE ARE UNAWARE THAT THEY STOP IN FRONT OF THEIR HOMES THERE BECAUSE IT'S A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND THE BOAT DOCKS, YOU KNOW, SHAKE AND THEN THE BLUFF IS ERODING. SO IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS WE'VE LOST FIVE FEET OF OUR BLOCK IN THE MAIN RIVER AND TWO TREES HAVE FALLEN DOWN AND WE'VE HAD TWO TREES THIS YEAR PROFESSIONALLY CUT DOWN SO THEY WOULDN'T.

SO IT'S REALLY AN EDUCATION ISSUE AND MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING MORE OF US NO WAY BECAUSE ALL THE HOMES THAT ARE THERE, THE BLUFFS ARE JUST ARE ERODING.

I MEAN OVER FIVE, TWO YEARS AND I KNOW ON MARCH 14TH. GOV. RICK M. PASSED A LAW THAT ALL WATERS IN SOUTH CAROLINA THAT THERE IS NO. WHAT THEY HAVE IN QUOTES WAKE SURFING WITHIN 200 FEET OF A DOCK IN AN ALL SOUTH CAROLINA WATER.

SO I DON'T KNOW IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN HELP US? AGAIN, WE LOVE HAVING PEOPLE GO AND ENJOY IT. THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE. THE ISSUE IS MORE EDUCATION, SCIENCE AND THE DRAMATIC INCREASE IN THERE SOMETHING WITH NO WAKE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO YOU HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS? NO, WE WILL BE GOING INTO THE

[VIII.1. Midpoint at New Riverside (Master Plan Amendment):]

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THIS IS THE EXISTING PLAN. THIS IS THE PROPOSED PLAN AND I'LL COME BACK TO THIS ONE SECOND. JUST BASIC US I DON'T SEE MY SLIDE THAT DESCRIBES THIS PLAN WAS SUBMITTED AT THE AT THE JULY PLANNING COMMISSION AND THERE WAS TABLE WHEN WE COME BACK TO THIS IS THIS EXISTING MASTER PLAN. THIS IS THE PROPOSED MASTER PLAN. I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT HAVING THE GUIDE AVAILABLE FOR I'M GOING

TO PULL IT UP HERE. >> THE PREVIOUS PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IT WAS TABLED. THERE WERE FIVE ISSUES WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND I'LL GO THROUGH EACH OF THE FIRST ONE WAS TO PROVIDE UPDATED LETTERS OF APPROVAL FROM THE APPLICABLE AGENCY. THE APPLICANT RESPONSE THE APPLICANTS RACE THE MIDDLE INCLUDE UPDATED LETTERS FROM SIX AGENCIES AND PROOF OF REQUESTED LETTERS FROM THE REMAINING THREE AGENCIES PLANNING AND PLANNING COMMISSION ISSUE NUMBER TWO WAS PROVIDED A LETTER CONFIRMING THAT THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER HAS AGREED TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL LAND. TO ACCOMMODATE THE SECOND ACCESS POINT, THE APPLICANTS RESPONSE APPLICANTS RESUBMITTED INCLUDES WRITTEN CONFIRMATION OF AN AGREEMENT BY THE ADJACENT LANDOWNER TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL LAND TO PULTE TO ACCOMMODATE THE SECOND ACCESS POINT.

THAT WAS A LETTER FROM THE LAWYER THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE PACKAGE.

THE COMMISSION ISSUED THREE WAS PROVIDE UPDATED EXHIBITS THAT INCORPORATE THE SECOND ACCESS ROAD. THE APPLICANT RESPONSE WAS THE APPLICANT RESUBMITTED RESUBMITTED INCLUDED UPDATED EXHIBITS INCORPORATING THE SECOND ACCESS ROUTE AND I CAN POINT THAT OUT ON THIS MAP WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS A SECOND ACCESS POINT BEING PURCHASED FROM THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH FANNIE COMMISSION. NUMBER FOUR WAS TO SUMMARIZE THE COORDINATION EFFORTS WITH THE CURRENT MIDPOINT PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION.

THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSE WAS THE APPLICANT'S RECENT MIDDLE CONTAINS A SUMMARY OF THE COORDINATE EFFORTS INCLUDING SUPPORTING EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE AND THE FINAL PLANNING COMMISSION ISSUE 5 WAS PROVIDED AND UPDATED TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS BASED ON CURRENT CONDITIONS RECOMMENDED MITIGATION MEASURES SHELBY INCLUDED ON DEVELOPMENT PLANS PRIOR TO FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSE WAS THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED ACKNOWLEDGES THAT BASED ON THE FINDINGS OF THE TSA THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IS CURRENTLY BEING PREPARED. ADDITIONAL OFF SITE IMPROVEMENTS MAY BE REQUIRED.

THIS IS THE UPDATED PHASING PLAN IT'S CHANGED BASED UPON THE SECOND ACCESS POINT.

THESE ARE THE REVIEW CRITERIA AND THIS IS THE MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT REVIEW PROCESS.

AS YOU CAN SEE STEP FORWARD THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION ON JULY 2017 WAS TABLED. WE'RE HERE ON AUGUST 24TH MEETING FOR A PLANNING COMMISSION FOR RECOMMENDATION AND THEN IT WILL GO ON TO TOWN COUNCIL AT A DATA BEAUTY TERMINAL PLANNING COMMISSION ACTION FOR CONSIDERATION OR RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION CONDITIONS OR RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT OR SAP'S RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS TOWN FIND FOR THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 3 9 3 OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE CAN BE MET WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AND

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WE DID HAVE THE ACTUAL TRAFFIC COUNTS COMPLETED THIS WEEK. WE WANTED TO WAIT TILL SCHOOLS AND SESSIONS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. WE'LL EXPECT TO HAVE THAT REVIEW PROBABLY WITHIN THE NEXT TWO TO THREE WEEKS. SO BASED OFF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE REQUESTING APPROVAL TO BE ABLE TO MOVE TOWARD THE TOWN COUNCIL.

THANK YOU. AND THERE WERE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS REGARDING THIS ITEM ON QUESTIONS AND WERE DENIED EVERYTHING THE I HAD I HAD TWO THINGS THAT I THINK WE NEED TO DISCUSS. NUMBER ONE, THE LOCATION OF THE I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO PUT ANYTHING INTO OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL BUT THE LOCATION OF THE GATE FOR THE SECONDARY ACCESS HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT I SEE ON WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN NOW IT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAD. SO THE GATE IS GONNA BE FURTHER BACK IN MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE PUT THOSE ON THERE AS OPTIONAL NOT JUST SO IT'S EITHER OR SO THAT WAY THEY DON'T NEED TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH AN AMENDMENT TO SHOW A PROPOSED LOCATION IF WHERE TO CHANGE SO IT'S THERE WILL BE IF THERE'S ONE THERE'S ONLY ONE, OK. THE REASON I BRING IT UP IS I DON'T WANT TO SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW WE'RE DEALING WITH NOW ON THE CONTRACTOR ENTRANCE TO FOMENT A WAR FOR THE GATE GATE IS RIGHT UP ON NEW RIVERSIDE ROAD AND THERE'S NO ROOM FOR QUEUING.

SO THAT'S MY MASK WITH WITH THAT. AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A CONCEPTUAL STATEMENT AT THE FRONT DURING THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS WE'D MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS SUFFICIENT STACKING FOR VEHICLES SO THAT WAY NOTHING WOULD BE OUT INTO THE ROAD AND SAME THING FOR THE MAIN ENTRANCE. IF SAY IT OR TO BE TOWARDS THE FRONT IT WOULD PROBABLY BE PAST THAT WE WOULD PUSH BACK TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS SUFFICIENT STOP.

YEAH JUST. OBVIOUSLY FROM A CONCEPTUAL STANDPOINT IT'S JUST AT THE FRONT BUT IT WOULD IT WOULD BE THERE'D BE PLENTY OF SPACE AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAVE IS ONE THAT WE MAY OR MAY NOT WANT TO DISCUSS BUT WE NEED TO DISCUSS AND THAT'S THE LETTER WE RECEIVED FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT APPEARS TO STATE THAT THE WILL NOT PROVIDE THE CAPACITY FOR ANY EXTERNAL SIGNALS. SO I WOULD I WOULD TELL YOU THAT WHEN THE INITIAL PLANNING DEVELOPMENT CAME IN AS WITH ALL PLANNING UNIT DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED LETTERS AND THE INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED AT THAT TIME THAT WAS OVER 20 YEARS AGO. SO WHILE WE'RE REQUESTED IT. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE THERE IS A LETTER THERE. THIS IS INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR OVER 20 YEARS FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO FEEL FULLY AWARE OF IT AND KNOW THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED OVER THE YEARS. AND ALSO I MEAN STATE THAT AT THAT POINT NOT SURE IF BEFORE COUNTY IS ALSO DOING THE SAME THING WITH DEVELOPMENT THAT'S AN UNINCORPORATED P FOR COUNTY AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY CAN TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WITH OUR MOTION BECAUSE THIS WAS A PLAN HAD BEEN IN PLACE FOR MANY YEARS.

WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING DIFFERENT. WE'RE NOT ADDING THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR. MY QUESTION IS IS THAT WE'VE NOT SEEN THIS BEFORE.

TYPICALLY THEY HAVE TO BY LAW. I THINK THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE THE SCHOOLING.

THIS ONE IT SEEMS TO BE A STATEMENT THAT I'VE SEEN BEFORE BUT MAYBE I HAVEN'T SEEN ENOUGH OF YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A DIFFERENT STATEMENT. I DON'T KNOW WHY BEAUFORT COUNTY CHANGED BUT LIKE KEVIN WAS SAYING THIS HAD ALREADY BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR FOR 20 YEARS AND FOR THEM TO JUST PUT THIS NEW SENTENCE IN HERE I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHY THEY DONE THAT SO I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH ON IT AS WELL TOO BECAUSE I KNOW FROM THE PAST THAT THIS

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THAT MADE ME FEEL BETTER OR AT LEAST ABOUT THAT FROM THAT STANDPOINT.

YEAH. THE WORDING OF THE LETTER JUST AS IT'S IT'S ALMOST LIKE THEY DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION AND I DON'T. THE REASON I BRING IT UP IS BECAUSE STAFF FROM THE APPLICATION ARE GONNA GO TO TOWN COUNCIL IF THE FIVE OF US DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. ACTUALLY EVEN IF WE DON'T COME INTO COUNCIL THAT MAY BE PROBLEMATIC THERE. SO WE'RE JUST WE'RE JUST POINTING IT OUT FOR POTENTIALLY DEALING WITH MADAM CHAIRMAN MADAM CHAIRWOMAN, IF I MAY. THE AGAIN FOR THE RECORD WHICH MEMBERS AMOUNT ABOUT BROOKS VERSUS BILL THAT I HERE REPRESENTING THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND ANSWER QUESTIONS TO JOE MAY HAVE GIVEN THE CRITERIA AND WHAT THE CRITERIA

STATES WHAT IS WHAT IS THE UNION'S PRECISE TERMINOLOGY? >> IT DOES SAY, SIR, BY ADEQUATE PUBLIC SERVICES, ONE OF WHICH IS IN AND THAT THAT PARENTHETICAL THAT FOLLOWS SCHOOLS. ALSO YOU'RE CERTAINLY WITHIN YOUR IF YOU'RE CERTAINLY WITHIN REASON TO MAKE A DECISION BASED OFF OF THE LETTER FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WHICHEVER WAY AND I BELIEVE IT WILL BE DEFENSIBLE BECAUSE THAT CRITERIA NEEDS TO BE ANALYZED WITH EACH APPLICATION. NOW THAT BEING SAID, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT I CAN SENSE IS A SLIGHT BIT OF UNDERLYING FRUSTRATION PERHAPS FROM THE APPLICANT STAFF AND THE COMMISSIONERS AND MAYBE THE GENERAL PUBLIC IS WHAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE. THERE IS AN ISSUE FACING BLUFFTON AND GREATER BOSTON AREA WITH INADEQUATE FACILITIES TO SERVE ALL THE STUDENTS AND ALL THE PEOPLE WE HAVE COMING IN. BUT AS MR. IGER CORRECTLY POINTED OUT WITH THESE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT IS THE PROJECTED GROWTH IN THE AREA. IS GOING TO BE SO ROBUST THE SCHOOLS THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 2004. OTHER CERTAINLY WAS MORE THAN ADVANCED NOTICE OF THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS GOING TO OCCUR HERE AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROJECTED LIFE UP AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. NONE OF THIS SHOULD COME AS A SURPRISE. SO DAVID, IT'S DIFFICULT. IT'S DIFFICULT TO FAULT ANYBODY AT THIS AT THIS POINT BECAUSE A LOT OF HOW THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS HANDS WERE TIED OR TIED AFTER 2004 THEY PROBABLY FELT THAT THEY HAD DIFFERENT FUNDING MECHANISM SOME 2004 WHEN THIS WAS ADOPTED THAT THEY DON'T HAVE NOW. SO I AGAIN IS A DIFFICULT SITUATION. CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND WHY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS PROVIDED THIS LETTER. WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THE APPLICANT WOULD THINK THAT THIS SHOULD NOT PREVENT THEM FROM BEING ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.

BUT ULTIMATELY WE THINK IT'S IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DISCRETION TO MAKE A DECISION.

AND OBVIOUSLY THE TOWN COUNCIL AS WELL TO MAKE THE DECISION THAT THEY THINK IT'S IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE TOWN BUT ALSO CONSISTENT WITH THE UNION WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT.

THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE SITE THIS ITEM.

OKAY. WELL THEN WE HERE JEREMIAH OR JEREMIAH COME TO THE MICROPHONE. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.

JEREMIAH WHERE I'M TWENTY ONE TRAILER INTO TREAT IN THE EXISTING MIDPOINT COMMUNITY.

JUST COUPLE THINGS I WANTED TO TO NOTE ON HERE. PULTE HAS HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH MIDPOINT EACH WAY ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT GOALS YOU PROVIDED A FEW OF THE EMAILS IN THE MEETING PACKET HOWEVER PULTE DID NOT PROVIDE IN THE MEETING THE EMAIL LETTER THE MIDPOINT A CHOICE SENT TO PULTE WITH OUR REQUEST. NOR DID PULTE PROVIDE THE RESPONSE FROM PULTE TO OUR REQUEST TO OUR REQUEST WHICH WAS VERY BRIEF.

THE CURRENT STANCE OF DISCUSSIONS WITH PULTE IS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THEIR LAWYERS DRAFT A PROPOSED AGREEMENT WITH THE WAY. HOWEVER, THE AGENCY HAS NOT RECEIVED THE PROPOSAL FOR APPROXIMATELY TWO WEEKS THIS PAST.

THERE'S ALSO MENTIONED IN THE MEETING PACKET OF THEM HAVING HOSTED HOSTED A WORKSHOP.

IT NOTED THAT OUR HSA WAS CHARGED FOR THIS AT OUR EXPENSE.

THIS WORKSHOP YOU GUYS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SCHOOL THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER ITEM I HAD HERE SO I WON'T DO THAT. AND THEN THE TRAFFIC WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE RESULTS OF THOSE TRAFFIC STUDIES. YOU CAN GO OUT THERE ANY DAY OF THE WEEK FOR THE MORNING.

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NOW THESE ARE JUST E-MAILS GOING AFTER I DID SEND THE RESPONSE I GOT A MESSAGE FROM THE HLA BOARD THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE LOOKING AT AN AGREEMENT, BE ABLE TO USE THE ACCESS, THE AMENITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I DID RESPOND TO THEM YESTERDAY LETTING THEM KNOW THERE THE PRESIDENT AS WELL AS THEIR JOINT MANAGER AND THEIR ATTORNEY AND LETTING THEM KNOW THAT WE ARE DRAFTING THE AGREEMENTS.

AND THEN ONCE THEY WERE ABLE TO DRAFT THAT WE HAVE A SIT DOWN AND GO THROUGH EACH LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM AND WE CAN WORK WITH YOU KNOW. SO WE COME UP TO THE FINAL TERMS AND WE ALSO AGREED AND OFFER TO PAY A PORTION OF THEIR ATTORNEY FEES SO THAT WAY.

WATTENBERG YOU PEEL AWAY A BIT SO WE CAN COME IN THE FINAL SOLUTION.

THANK YOU. I WOULD. I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU ALL. YOU KNOW, IF DEPENDING ON WHICH WAY.

I MEAN EITHER WHATEVER WE RECOMMEND. YOUR NEXT STEP IS TOWN COUNCIL AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE IN HERE FROM MID POINT AND Y'ALL TO IRON IT OUT AS BEST YOU CAN BEFORE YOU GET THERE. GREAT.

YOU KNOW, NOT NOT A NECESSITY BUT IT'LL PROBABLY MAKE LIFE EASIER.

YEAH. WELL, JUST TWO THINGS. ONE TO ADDRESSING IT TO THE PULTE US CONTRACT DEVELOPER. IS THERE ANY IS THERE ANY CHANCE THAT YOU COULD UTILIZE YOUR CONSTRUCT THAT SECONDARY ACCESS FIRST SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ALL OF THAT HEAVY

CONSTRUCTION GOING THROUGH THAT MIDPOINT? >> THAT IS THAT IT IS THE MITIGATE THAT THAT PART OF THE AGREEMENTS THAT WE ALSO WORK IN TRYING TO COME UP WITH A WAY IS TO WORK ON THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS FOR MIDPOINT IS CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN PLACE AND WE WOULD TAKE SOME OF THAT BURDEN FOR THEM.

ONE OTHER QUESTION I'M ALWAYS LOOKING AT THE PARKING IN WHEN I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS FROM THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN THAT YOU SUBMITTED BACK IN MAY THERE LOOKS LIKE THE DRIVEWAY IS ABOUT 15 FOOT PROPERTIES SET BACK ON THE EXHIBIT PAGE 54 OF THAT EXHIBIT AND I THOUGHT WE WERE SAYING THAT SHOULD BE MORE. THAT'S BARELY ENOUGH TO COVER A VEHICLE. AND WE KNOW MOST OF THE PEOPLE DOWN HERE HAVE THEIR GARAGES FULL AND PARK THEIR CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY. HAVE YOU CHANGED THAT YET? ORIGINALLY WE HAD A 50 FOOT RIGHT AWAY CROSS SECTION OUR JUMP BALL WITH COLUMNS ABOUT.

WE HAD A 50 FOOT RIGHT CROSS SECTION WITH 20 FOOT SIDE FRONT SETBACKS.

WE MET WITH STAFF AFTER THE FIRST PLANNING COMMISSION. WE WORKED OUT THE AGREED UPON ZONING KEY ALL TO APPROVE A FORCE FOR A 60 FOOT. SO WE WIDENED THE RIGHT AWAY BUT SHORTENED THE FRONT SET BACK IN THAT MATCHES WHAT'S IN THE PHASE 1 A THAT'S BUILT TODAY. BUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THE SIDEWALK IS GONNA BE PUSHED STILL IN WITHIN THAT RIGHT AWAY SECTION AS SHOWN IN THAT CROSS SECTION AND IT SHOWS THE SIDEWALK IS CLOSER TO THE BACK A CURVE THAN IT IS THE PROPERTY LINE.

SO THE TRUCK FOR INSTANCE THAT THEY'RE SHOWING THE USE OF IT, IT'LL STILL IT WON'T BLOCK THE SIDEWALK. LESTER, THAT'S THE INTENT THERE.

THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM I BELIEVE IS TWENTY THREE FEET IS HOW THE CROSS SECTION READS FROM THE SIDEWALK TO THE GARAGE. WELL FROM LOOKING AT THIS WELL MAYBE YOU'VE UPDATED THIS DRAWING BECAUSE THIS DRAWING IT LOOKS LIKE THE DRIVEWAY IS

EXACTLY 15 FEET OR A LITTLE BIT MORE. >> PAGE 54 ON THE MASTER PLANNING AGREEMENT. MAYBE I'M READING IT WRONG SO THAT'S POSSIBLE.

BUT YEAH, THAT'S A GUESS. SO YOU'RE EXACTLY. THE DRIVEWAY IS AT 15 FEET.

THE SETBACK IS 15 FEET. SO YOU'VE GOT 15 FEET PLUS THE GRASS WAY OR PLUS THE SIDEWALK PLUS THE OTHER GRASS WAY UP TO THE CURB. THE TYPICAL 16 FOOT SUV CAN

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DID YOU WORK OUT OR YOU DELEGATED ANY OF YOUR AUTHORITY TO GETTING APPROVAL FROM THE ADJACENT HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION BECAUSE THAT'S ULTIMATELY YOUR OBLIGATION UNDER THE LAW TO PROVIDE THIS RECOMMENDATION TOWN COUNCIL. SO IT CERTAINLY IS HELPFUL TO NOTE THE COMMENTS AND THE CONCERNS BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM DO.

PLAY TO YOUR CRITERIA SUCH AS THE TRANSPORTATION AND THE DENSITY ELEMENTS AND THE BUFFERS BUT IT IS ALSO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE KNOW JOHN CAN'T GET INTO THE MINUTIA AND HELP NEGOTIATE THE BEST ARRANGEMENT BETWEEN THE TWO PARTIES SUCH AS OUTSIDE THE SCOPE. YELLS JOHN, THANK. THAT'S WHY WE'RE ENCOURAGING THEM TO BE NICE BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICS SO THAT WHEN ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MENTION LIKE MOTION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE MIDPOINT UBER UPSIDE MASTER PLAN APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS AS STATED BY STAFF TO PROVIDE AN UPDATED TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS BASED ON CURRENT CONDITIONS. ANY RECOMMENDED MITIGATION MEASURES SHALL BE INCLUDED ON A DEVELOPMENT PLANS PRIOR TO FILE THE PLAN APPROVAL BY THE SECOND CIRCUIT ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

[IX.1. River Dog Brewing Co. (Preliminary DevelopmentPlan):]

AT PARKER'S GAS STATION THERE IN THAT LITTLE MARCH OUT TO THE SOUTHWEST OF THE PROPERTY THE PROJECT LOCATION AGAIN. APPLICATION FOR PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON THREE LOCKS ZONE NEIGHBORHOOD CORE TO THE INDIVIDUAL LOCKS WILL BE RECOMBINED THAT TIME OF FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. IT'S A LITTLE PROJECT PROPOSAL THE MIXED USE COMMERCIAL BUILDING THAT INCLUDES A 20000 SQUARE FOOT BREWERY AND A PLUS OR MINUS 30000 SQUARE FOOT SPACE ALLOCATED TO RESTAURANT TENANTS RETAIL TENANT BUSINESS OFFICES AND A TASTING ROOM.

THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ALSO INCLUDES OUTDOOR DINING, A BEER GARDEN EVENT SPACES AND A PAVILION TO NOTE THAT THE RIVER DOG BREWING COMPANY PREVIOUSLY WOULD SEE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPER PLANNING APPROVAL NOW IN OCTOBER OF 2017. IT IS FOLLOWED BY STORMWATER APPROVAL IN MARCH OF 2018 AND IT RECEIVED A CERTIFICATE OF PROPERTIES FOR HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT IN APRIL 2018. THESE ORIGINAL APPROVALS HAVE EXPIRED. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE HERE. THAT'S WHY THEY'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE STRIP APPROPRIATENESS PROCESSES AS WELL.

THAT COMMENT ON THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WILL REVIEW THAT THE MARCH 16 20 22 MILLION OF THE DRC AND HERE'S THE DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS JENNIFER KORN 2.0 ACCESS. ONE HERE ONE HERE WAS A PARKING LOT RIGHT OVER HERE VERY SEPARATE PART OF THE BUILDING. BELOW IS A RETAIL SPACE AND BELOW THAT IS BEER GARDEN AND PAVILION. IT'S GOT A 50 FOOT BUFFER FROM THE RIVER HIGHWAY.

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THESE ARE THE FACTS. SIX CRITERIA. PLANNING COMMISSION ACTION PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE AUTHORITY TO TAKE THE FOLLOWING ACTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT. APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS. TABLE THE APPLICATION OR DENIED THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT. THAT RECOMMENDATION COUNCIL STAFF FINDS REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION THREE POINT TEN POINT THREE POINT A IS OF THE AUDIO IS MET AND RECOMMENDS THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED. ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK AND KEEPER WITH WIDMER GERMANS KEEPER AND YOUR BODY FOR FAIRNESS. TONIGHT WE'RE BACK WITH THE SAME PLAN.

SO WE'RE WE'RE HERE TO ASK A QUESTION. ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS? GOT THE ARCHITECTURAL TEAM HERE. COURT ICONS, TRAFFIC ENGINEERS HERE AS WELL. WE'LL HEAR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY THINK FOR THAT.

BUT MY I CAN WE CAN WAIT AND WE HAVE A COMMENT HERE. BIRDS IS CANBERRA AND I LIVE ON THE CORNER OF JASON AND RED CEDAR WHICH IS COMING THROUGH TOWN IS THE STREET BEFORE JENNIFER CAUGHT. THERE IS LOTS OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE VOLUME OF THE BEER GARDEN AND THE RESTAURANT TRUCKS BLOCKING THE WAY BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, PARKER'S THERE ALSO HOW LATE THEY'RE GOING TO OPERATE AND IT'S NOT FAIR TO US THAT LIVE BEHIND IT TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH OUR KEY ISSUES WHETHER IT I HOPE YOU'LL KEEP THIS IN MIND .

THAT'S ALL I AM THINKING. MORE LANDLORD HELLO AND MY NAME IS NORMAN MOORE AND I RESIDE AT 15 RED CEDAR ALONG WITH MY HUSBAND CHARLES. THIS IS LITERALLY IN MY BACKYARD. MY PROPERTY BUTTS UP AGAINST THE BACK END OF THE PROPOSAL HERE AND I REALISE THAT THIS CAME TO COUNCIL BACK IN 17 ALTHOUGH AT THAT TIME I WASN'T NOTIFIED AND I'M NOT HERE TO FIGHT THE PROPOSAL OF RIBAUT I'LL GO IN THERE.

I JUST HAVE SOME CONCERNS THAT I WOULD LIKE REALITY HERE. ONE OF THE THINGS I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE OUTSIDE SEATING THE MUSIC THE NOISE ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE HERE IN THE TOWN OF THEN HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE READ? IT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE.

THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND THE PROPOSAL.

IT'S NOT ALL COMMERCIAL. ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT I ALSO WANT TO BRING UP IS HOW LATE IS IT GOING TO BE OPEN? I KNOW THAT THROUGH THE TOWN WE HAD PROBLEMS WITH THE DISTILLERY OPEN LATE AT NIGHT AND THINGS ALONG THAT LINE THE BUFFER BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES LIKE I SAID, THIS LITERALLY IS IN MY BACKYARD. I LOOK OUT MY BACKDOOR, I SEE THEIR PROPERTY. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT BUFFER WITH LANDSCAPING, WITH NOISE POSSIBILITY OTHER PRIVATELY FENCE SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO LOOK IN MY YARD BASED ON THE DRAWINGS THAT ARE REVIEWED IT LOOKS LIKE THE OUTSIDE DINING IS MORE ALONG WHERE THAT RETENTION POND IS GOING AHEAD AND MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT. ONE OF MY PERSONAL CONCERNS IS TRASHCAN LOCATION WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TRUCKS COMING IN AND DROPPING ITEMS OFF.

MY BEDROOM'S NOT THAT FAR FROM IT. SO THAT DAY TO DAY NOISE OF A BUSINESS THIS IS A HUGE BUSINESS THAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE AND AS I WAS SITTING HERE LISTEN. AGAIN, ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS THE EVENT PLANNING PERHAPS MAYBE IF WE CAN ADDRESS WHAT KIND OF EVENTS ARE THESE EVENTS GOING TO GO LATE AND LATE INTO THE NIGHT? IS THIS GOING TO BE JUST OK, LET'S GO OUT AND HAVE A BEER AND GO HOME? EVERYTHING'S CLOSED BY 9 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.

I DON'T WANT TO STOP. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CONCERNS FOR THOSE THAT LIVE LITERALLY WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE ARE. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THE OTHER THEN WOULD YOU COME

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AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE SHOWING A 30 FOOT BUFFER AREA AND THERE IF THERE ARE ANY GAPS THERE WE CAN BACK FOR THE NEXT MEETING. WHEN YOU'RE REVIEWING THE LANDSCAPE WE CAN FILL THOSE GAPS WITH A BUFFER. DO WE HAVE 30 FEET ABOVE AND BEYOND OR VIA THERE? I THINK IT'S 15 RIBAUT AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT A SECTION OF FENCE ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER AND THEN THE DUMPSTER WILL BE TOTALLY ENCLOSED. YOU WON'T SEE THAT AND IT'LL HAVE SEVERAL TWO OR THREE LAYERS OF LANDSCAPING AROUND IT.

TWO THAT WILL BE VISIBLE THEN EVERYTHING FROM THE BEER GARDEN WILL NOT BE VISIBLE BEYOND THE FACE OF THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. SO THAT'S ALL EVERYTHING'S UP FRONT ALONG THE FRONT PORTION MAYBE. RIGHT.

SO ON PURPOSE WE HAD THAT BEER GARDEN. SO IT'S PARALLEL OR ADJACENT TO THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW TO THE EAST.

SO ALL THAT OUTDOOR ACTIVITY IS A COMMERCIAL THAT IS IN THAT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IN AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, EVENTS. OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE THE TOWN NOISE ORDINANCE AND REGULATIONS IN PLACE TO MONITOR THAT. YOU HAVE SPECIAL EVENTS YOU THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT.

ABSOLUTELY. SO TALK ABOUT THE FENCE FOR A MINUTE.

HAVE WE THOUGHT THROUGH IS IT AN EIGHT FOOT 10 FOOT SIX FOOT ? AND I'LL TELL YOU THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE I'M THINKING ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT THE TWO PEOPLE JUST CAME UP AND I MEAN BEFORE WE EVEN GOT HERE TONIGHT I SEE A PAVILION WHERE LET'S PICTURE A BAND PLAYING THERE, YOU KNOW, NOTHING SUPER OUTRAGEOUS.

YOU KNOW, NOT AN 80S HAIR BAND BUT YOU KNOW, A BAND PLAYING THERE.

THE NOISE NATURALLY IS GONNA GO THIS WAY AND TO GET TO ASKING THE QUESTION I WOULD.

MY THOUGHT IS PUT THE PAVILION SO THE NOISE GOES TOWARDS PARKER WHERE THERE ARE NO PARKERS, WHERE THERE ARE NO RESIDENTS OR HAVE A REALLY TALL FENCE THERE.

SO WHAT WHAT DOES THE FENCE LOOK LIKE? DO WE KNOW ARE WE THAT FAR IN THE PROCESS? PROBABLY NOT. GIVE ME A SORT GOES REALLY ONE DAY FROM ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT. ADD THAT ON STREETS JUST TO SORT OF ANCHOR THAT SPACE. AND AS YOU KNOW, THE NOISE IS GOING TO GO STRAIGHT BACK TO THE BUILDING. CAN BOUNCE. WELL, IT'S NOT IT'S NOT GONNA GO STRAIGHT BACK. IT'S GONNA GO. YOU KNOW, NOISE SPREADS WELL.

SO I GUESS THE SUGGESTION WOULD BE COULD YOU RELOOK AT THE ORIENTATION OF THE PAVILION JUST FOR NOISE ABATEMENT OR DON'T YOU? YEAH, I THINK NOISE ABATEMENT IN THE PAVILION AND THEN THE FENCING WOULD BE THE IDEAL SCENARIO IN A PLANNING COMMISSION THAT SPONSORED FAVORABLE STAFF TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON POTENTIALS EITHER SHIFTING THE PAVILION LOOKING FOR THAT NOISE ABATEMENT.

THIS IS SOMETHING SIMILAR THAT WE DID WITH THE MOVEMENT OR MARKETPLACE AS YOU REMEMBER WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE UNNECESSARY LANDSCAPING AND OTHER OTHER FEATURES IN THERE TO HELP US TO MITIGATE THAT NOISE NOISE ORDINANCE. OBVIOUSLY THAT IS A IT'S A TOWN WIDE ORDINANCE AND THAT IF THERE'S ISSUES THAT'S WHEN THE POLICE PROBABLY COME OUT AND ADDRESS THAT. SO JUST JUST NOTE THAT DOING IT AND WE'LL WORK WITH THE ADVOCATE. RIBAUT A LOT OF THESE COMMENTS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT AS IT MOVES FORWARD THAT WE CAN WE CAN WORK ON ADDRESSING THOSE. SO DURING THE CERTIFICATE PROCESS YOU'LL SEE THAT AS WELL AS THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. YES.

WELL AND I'LL. I MEAN JUST TO JUST TO ADD TO IT I MEAN THINK ABOUT THE DISTILLERY FOR A SECOND WHEN THEY BUILT THE DISTILLERY THEY BUILT YOU SHAPED AND THEIR MUSIC GOES OUT TO 46. THIS MAY BE PERFECTLY FINE AND THAT'S WHERE WE RELY ON STAFF TO WORK WITH YOU ON IT BUT YOU SEE WHERE THE CONCERNS ARE. SO YES, AND MAYBE THIS IS JUST IT'S NOT A QUESTION BUT MAYBE A COURT ACTION QUESTION OR FOR THE OWNER DO WE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT OURS? IT'S JUST LIKE JUST A REGULAR BUSINESS LIKE I'M GOING TO OPEN TILL 10:00. I DON'T IT'S NOT LIKE ON LATE NIGHT KIND JAMES OUT.

SO A MAJORITY OF THE BREWERY LOCATION THAT'S TYPICALLY A MORNING ACTIVITY WHERE THEY MAKE IT THERE'S PROBABLY FIVE TO SEVEN EMPLOYEES IN THERE. SO IT'S NOT A HEAVILY

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SO THOSE PLACES PROBABLY ARE GOING TO OPERATE NORMAL RESTAURANT.

OUR TIME IS NOT A NIGHTCLUB OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND THEN THE BREWERY TAP ROOM WILL SERVICE THOSE RESTAURANT TENANTS THERE. SO THE BARBECUE PLACE IS CLOSED AND THE TACO PLACE IS CLOSED AND THE BREWERY IS BY NOT OPEN SERVING BEER EITHER.

I THINK I'LL BE OPEN ON MONDAY BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE IS CLOSED ON.

I HAVEN'T GOT INTO THE OPERATING PLANS WITH THE OWNER BUT YOU KNOW IT'S I SHOULD MAKE AN INVESTMENT. I'M SURE SHE'LL WANT TO BE OPEN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

RICHARDSON CAN WE MAKE THAT A CONDITION? AND I THINK THAT'S HOW HUNGRY I PLACE ON MY KEEP GOING TO ONE PARTICULAR PLACE EVERY TIME I DO THAT KIND OF BROUGHT UP A QUESTION FOR ME AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BREWERY AND ABOUT AS EMPLOYEES IN YOUR

PARKING COUNT IT'S AT FIVE, RIGHT? >> HOW DO YOU WHERE DOES THAT NUMBER COME FROM? LIKE HOW DO YOU EVER MASTER A COUPLE OF PEOPLE CLEANING THE TANKS AND INGRAINED AND THEN THERE'S USUALLY A ONE PERSON RUNNING MECHANIC PERSON LIKE THAT? I JUST DIDN'T IF THERE WERE SOMEWHERE THAT WAS LIKE DOCUMENTED THAT WAS NOT FORMULA OR SOMETHING JUST SO THAT IT WOULD CAUSE WE'VE HAD OTHER DISCUSSIONS WITH OTHER PEOPLE ABOUT PARKING AND HOW THEY CAME THEIR NUMBERS.

SO I JUST DIDN'T IF THERE WERE SOMEWHERE LIKE OR A TYPICAL BREWERY IT'S LIKE A THE OWNER AND I COULDN'T HAVE THEM DOCUMENT. YEAH.

JUST FOR STAND TODAY JUST IN THE LAST TEN YEARS AND THEN YEAH JUST IN CASE SOMEONE ASKED BECAUSE WE'VE RUN ACROSS IT IT'S KIND OF QUESTIONABLE BASED ON OUR DOCTOR AND THEIR

OPERATIONS. >> I'M SURE I CAN I ADD TO THIS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FIVE EMPLOYEES YOU HAVE 30000 SQUARE FOOT OF RESTAURANT RETAIL SPACE .

HOW MANY TABLES YOU'RE GONNA HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR THE BREWERIES? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT BUT THEY ONLY PROVIDED FIVE PARKING SPOTS FOR EMPLOYEES FOR THE BREWERY ITSELF. ARE THERE PARKING SPOTS? THERE'S ONE HUNDRED AND TWELVE SPOTS FOR THE RESTAURANT IN THE RETAIL SPACE. DOES THAT INCLUDE THE EMPLOYEES? YEAH, IT'S EVERYTHING IN THEIR GOLF CARTS GONE IN ONE HUNDRED AND TWELVE WE WERE PERFECTLY NOT SHOWING GOLF CARTS. ALL RIGHT.

SAID WE'RE IN DISCUSSION WITH THOSE BASED ON DONATED ACCESS BY GOLF CART.

I THINK JUST MIKE SAID THESE ARE STATE ROADS AND GOLF CARTS OR A RURAL ROAD OR ON THE CERTAINLY LIKELIHOOD OF THE GOLF CART GOING THERE MEANS THAT THEY'RE GOING THERE.

AND THAT'S A GOOD ONE THAT PERHAPS THE RESIDENT FENCE ADJACENT WOULD HAVE A LITTLE GOLF CART. WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS IT'S A HUGE RETAIL RESTAURANT SPACE. I'M CURIOUS HOW MANY TABLES YOU'RE GONNA HAVE BECAUSE ONE HUNDRED AND TWELVE SPOTS IF THERE'S SOME THAT HAVE TO BE ALLOCATED TO GOLF CARTS AND HAS TO COVER THE WAIT STAFF DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE ENOUGH.

IT'S A HUGE SPACE. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY TABLES YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MAKE THE RESTAURANT? THERE'S NO SEATING IN THE RESTAURANT SPACE SINCE SPACES POINT SALE AND THE KITCHEN AREA AND SEATING AND THE TABLES ARE ACTUALLY IN THE COMMON AREA.

SO WHILE IT'S A BIG SPACE AND THERE'S THREE RETAIL TENANTS, THREE RESTAURANT SEATING AREAS ONLY IN THE COMMON SPACE. SO I THINK THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE IS PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT OF SOMEBODY SUBDIVISION GROUND STANDPOINT BUT BASED UPON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT'S REQUIRED.

KNOW I KNOW YOU'RE MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS FOR FOUR SPOTS FOR EVERY THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.

I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A FEEL FOR HOW MANY TYPICAL RESTAURANT PATRONS AND WAITSTAFF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE. WILL YOU HAVE ENOUGH PARKING YOUR WORK TODAY? SHE'D PROBABLY PUT TEN TIMES IF SHE COULD. BUT WE FEEL THAT IT'S ADEQUATE AND WELL CERTAINLY IT GONNA BE MUCH LIKE RESTAURANTS MAYBE BE A LUNCH CROWD.

THERE'S GOING TO BE AN EVENING CROWD. NOT TO GO INTO THEIR OPERATIONS BUT WHEN YOU ACTUALLY ZOOM IN ON THIS PLAN AND YOU SEE THAT THE FOOTPRINT BUILDING THIS IS DESIGNED LIKE LIKE A MARKET WHERE YOU HAVE THE STALLS OF THE VARIOUS BUSINESSES.

CAN WE PULL THIS UP WHILE YOU'RE TALKING? >> ON THE SCREEN PLEASE.

SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. NO, THERE'S THERE'S ONE THAT

HAS IT'S ONE OF THE DISASTER ON RETAIL SPACE AND IT HAS SO. >> SO AGAIN WHAT THEY'RE SAYING

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THERE ARE SEATING SO THERE'S THERE'S MINIMAL SEATING ON THE INSIDE.

AND THEN SOME OTHER AREAS WHERE THE SEATING IS SO THE WAY THAT THE VIDEOS DECIDE IT'S NOT BASED IT'S BASED OFF OF THE OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE. SO THOSE ARE BASICALLY STALLS VENDORS THAT RENT. AND THE THOUGHT IS BARBECUE WHOEVER YOU KNOW THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE ULTIMATE COST WHOLE RESTAURANT THEY'RE BASICALLY GOING UP AT THEIR KITCHEN AND THEIR POINT OF SALE AND SO SHE PROVIDES THE COMMON SEATING AREA.

SO LIKE FOOD TRUCKS BUT THEY'RE IN THE BUILDING BRICK AND MORTAR FOOD TRUCK IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT KIND OF EXCUSE AND YOU DON'T KNOW JUST A LITTLE BIT SO I CAN SEE THIS PART THAT ORDERS MY PROPERTY. I DON'T READ PLANS. SO THESE CIRCLES HERE TREE COVERAGE, OK? AND THIS IS PARKING HERE ALONG THIS LINE.

AND THIS IS MY HOUSE. SO I REALIZE THAT YOU HAD SAID I THINK THERE WAS A 30 FOOT BUFFER. DO WE NEED THOSE PARKING SPOTS HERE OR THERE? JOSE, I'M SORRY. PARDON ME. I REALIZE THAT SCOTT OPERATION AND MAYBE JUST TAKEN HIM CAN CONSIDERATION OF THE NEIGHBORS AS FAR AS LIKE A PROPERTY FENCE OR A LITTLE BIT MORE EDUCATION? YOU KNOW WHAT? YEAH.

YEAH. POSSIBLY A FENCE BUT I DO SHARE RICH'S CONCERNS.

I MEAN AND HOW THIS GOES TO RICH. I HAD A CONVERSATION EARLIER TODAY I MEAN IN SOME OF OUR PD IT'S 12 SPACES PER THOUSAND SQUARE FEET A RESTAURANT IN HERE IT'S FOUR. AND I KNOW THAT'S THE AUDIO REQUIREMENT.

OK, BUT DO TO STILL YOU KNOW I THINK YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ENOUGH BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PLACES TO PARK ON THE STREETS OUTSIDE OF YOUR PARKING LOT.

IF IF YOU HAVE A BIG EVENT THAT'S THAT WAS MY CONCERN. AGAIN, I WAS TRYING TO COUNT UP TABLES, BOOTHS AND STUFF AND THAT DIDN'T WORK TO TRY TO GET A SENSE OF HOW MANY PATRONS YOU COULD HAVE AT ANY TIME. BUT AGAIN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, ONE HUNDRED AND TWELVE SPOTS FOR PATRONS AND STAFF DURING ONE THESE BIG EVENTS I HOPE YOU HAVE ENOUGH BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO GET MESSY ON BIRCH OUT ON THE VARIOUS JENNIFER CAUGHT SOME OF THESE OTHER ROADS IF PEOPLE START PARKING ALONG THE ROADS. YEAH.

SO AGAIN YOU'RE MEETING THE NEEDS. I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT IN THE INTEREST OF MAKING SURE YOU'RE MEETING THE NEEDS AS YOU'RE YOU TALKED ABOUT YOUR YOU'RE THE OWNER. IT'S LIKE UM WHATEVER YOU CAN DO TO TO MAKE SURE YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH SPOTS IS GOOD. I HAVE A QUESTION NOW IF THIS IS GONNA BE LAND BASED FOOD TRUCKS. WHERE'S THE ALCOHOL PORTION? IS THAT THE OWNER IS GONNA BE DOING MOSTLY ALCOHOL OR WHATEVER SINCERITY? OH YEAH.

OR IS THAT FANCY? I THINK OF THAT THAT'S THE TAP ROOM RIGHT THERE AT THE SOLOMONS DINING ZONE WITH THE WALK UP YOU GET YOUR BARBECUE SANDWICH, YOU GO PICK UP A BEER AT THIS COUNTER AND YOU GO TO THE AREAS AND YOU ADD ANY ON STREET PARKING ON JENNIFER COURT LIKE WE LOOKED AT THAT JENNIFER COURT IS PART OF THEIR OWN DEVELOPMENT AS WELL WITH PARKERS AND PARKERS AS PART I GUESS PARKER'S JONES JENNIFER COURTNEY AND SO THEY SAID THEY DID NOT WANTS PARKING ON JENNIFER COURT BECAUSE THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC BACKING UP AND PEOPLE CROSSING. AND I KIND OF AGREE. SO THAT WAS REMOVED.

BUT WE DID PROVIDE A KIND OF SUPER LIFT THAT PULL OFF OF THERE IN THE AREA AT THE CURVE. SO I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT SEEING SOME SPACE.

SO IF I WAS GOING TO GO GRAB SOMETHING TO EAT, I HAVE TO LIKE THE PARKING LOT KIND OF FAR AWAY BUT I HAVE TO WALK DOWN TOWARDS THE DROP OFF AREA AND THEN I GO INTO THE SPACE IS THE MAIN ENTRY IS VERY YEAH. WHERE THAT PARK DROP OFF AT. WE'VE GOT ALL THESE OTHER QUESTIONS ANSWERED BY PUBLIC ANYTHING. THERE YOU GO.

NO I'M GOOD. MEASURE DO YOU WANT I MEAN DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION THERE? NO THERE'S ONE THERE. NO I DON'T.

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AND I JUST I DON'T KNOW IF THE ONE ADDITION I GUESS THE ADDITION WE'RE MAKING IS GOING FROM A FOR SIGNAL LIKE TO A FIVE SIGNAL LIKE YOU KNOW, I WORRY THAT IT'S JUST GOING TO GET REALLY BAD. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SUGGEST WHICH IS WHY I DON'T HAVE A MOTION TO MAKE FOR THAT. I'M JUST REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.

KEVIN , IT'S GOING TO BE A RIVER ROAD REMAINS IMPROVEMENTS.

IT'S A REHAB THAT I KNOW. I'D BE WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION FOR.

THANK YOU. I MOVE THAT WE ARE WE RECOMMENDING THIS TO COUNCIL OR WE THIS YOUR PRELIMINARY AND I'LL REMIND YOU THAT THIS WILL COME BACK AGAIN IN FRONT OF YOU

FOR LANDSCAPING MINING THAT OUR HANDS. >> AND THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THREE OF YOU THAT SET UP THERE FOR DRC. ONLY TWO OF APPEARING NOW.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE RIVER DOG BEARING COMPANY PRELIMINARY PLAN WITH THE CONDITION THAT STAFF WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER ON THE BUFFERING AND THE FENCING ALONG THE EAST PROPERTY LINE AND WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER ON THE LOCATION OF THE PAVILION ALONG WITH NOISE ABATEMENT ISSUES AS IT CONCERNS NEARBY RESIDENTS.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR BY ANY ANY OPPOSED? OK. OK, GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

PLEASE. IF I MAY, PLEASE STAY INVOLVED. >> AS THEY'RE DEVELOPING THE PLAN IT COMES BACK FEEDBACK AND FEEDBACK. YOU CAN ASK FOR HELP.

I MEAN IT'S JUST LIKE I SAID IT'S MY BACKYARD. I KNOW I CAN'T WE'LL TALK

[IX.2. Unified Development Ordinance Amendments (Public Hearing)]

IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING. SO DO I DO CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING CALLING ONCE PUBLIC HEARING CALLING TWICE THE PUBLIC HEARING CALLING THREE TIMES IN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

CHARLES, THANK YOU. SORRY. APOLOGIZE MY VOICE.

THIS IS A TEXT. ACTUALLY THERE ARE TWO TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT ARE PROPOSED IN THIS IS AN AMENDMENT THAT IS INITIATED INTERNALLY. IT WAS NOT AN APPLICATION.

SO THE AMENDMENT THE AMENDMENTS BEING PROPOSED THIS EVENING ARE TO INCREASE THE ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE FOOTPRINT WITHIN THE RIVERFRONT EDGE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND ALSO TO PROVIDE A CONSISTENT HEIGHT FOR THE RIVER HOUSE BUILDINGS HEIGHT. THERE IS A DISCREPANCY IN THE ORDINANCE THAT WE'D LIKE TO CLEAR UP. SO LET ME TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE RIVERFRONT EDGE HISTORIC DISTRICT. IT IS LOCATED ALONG THE MAIN RIVER AND IT BEGINS APPROXIMATELY STOCK FARM AREA AND GOES EAST TO JUST EAST PRITCHARD STREET. IT INCLUDES THIRTY TWO LOTS. MOST STILL LOTS ARE DEVELOPED WITH A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND MOST OF THOSE HOMES WERE DEVELOPED BEFORE 2011 WHEN THE UTICA WAS ADOPTED. AND IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH OLD TOWN, OLD TOWN HAS FIVE ZONING DISTRICTS AND THERE IS A FORUM BASED CODE FOR OLD TOWN. SO EACH OF THE FIVE DISTRICTS ACTUALLY REQUIRES CERTAIN BUILDING TYPES WITHIN THOSE DISTRICTS.

AND THE THE RIVERFRONT EDGE ALSO INCLUDES CIVIC BUILDINGS INCLUDING THE CROSS AND OYSTER FACTORY AND HERE IS WHAT I MENTIONED BEFORE. SO HERE IS A GRAPHIC FROM THE AUDIO AND IT DOES IDENTIFY FOUR BUILDING TYPES FOR THE FIVE BUILDING TYPES THAT ARE PERMITTED INCLUDING FOUR THAT ARE RESIDENTIAL. COTTAGE VERNACULAR IS ANDREW HALL AND RIVER HOUSE. AND ADDITIONALLY WE HAVE SOMETHING CALLED IN ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPES WERE ADDED TO ANTICIPATE THAT PERHAPS SOMEONE COULD MEET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS SPECIFICALLY REQUIRED OF A PARTICULAR BUILDING TYPE. SO THE ADDITIONAL BUILDING HYPE ALLOWS A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY IN WHAT WE DETERMINED AND LOOKING AT THE INFORMATION OF THESE HOMES

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THE RIVERFRONT EDGE GRAPHIC AS YOU SEE HERE IDENTIFIES THE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD BE THE SET BACKS AND THE FRONTAGE THE BUILD TO LINE. IT ALSO INCLUDES THE HEIGHT IN THE DESIGN SECTION STUDIO WE IDENTIFY OR THE IDENTIFIES WHAT THE BUILDING SIZE RANGE WOULD BE AND WHAT THE FOOTPRINT WOULD BE. AND IT ALSO IDENTIFIES HEIGHT.

SO THAT'S WHERE OUR DISCREPANCY IS COMING INTO PLAY IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE WITH THIS HOUSE BUILDING TYPE AND IF YOU SEE HERE LET ME ME THIS. SO THE ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE IS IDENTIFIED HERE IN THE RIVERFRONT EDGE INFORMATION AND IT IDENTIFIES WHAT THE SETBACKS ARE. HOWEVER, THE ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE IS NOT DEFINED BY THE ORDINANCE. SO IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFY WHAT THE BUILDING SIZE RANGES OR THE MAXIMUM FOOTPRINT IS. AND THAT BECAME A LITTLE BIT OF A CONCERN LAST YEAR WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND THEY'RE NOT BEING EITHER THE BUILDING SIZE RANGE OR THE MAXIMUM FOOTPRINT. SO THERE WAS A TEXT AMENDMENT THAT WAS DONE THAT INDICATED FOR AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE THAT'S THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT IN THE BUILDING SIZE RANGE WOULD BE BASED ON THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE LARGE THAT ALLOWED THE LARGEST BUILDING FOOTPRINT AND BUILDING SIZE WITHIN A PARTICULAR DISTRICT.

SO FOR THE RIVERFRONT HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE MAXIMUM BUILDING FOOTPRINT THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED IS TWO THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. AND THE MAXIMUM BUILDING SIZE WOULD BE 50 500 SQUARE FEET. THAT'S BASED OFF ON THE CENTER HALL SITE.

SO GETTING BACK TO THE AMENDMENTS ABOUT IT'S ABOUT THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT AT TWO THOUSAND SQUARE FEET FOR THE RIVERFRONT EDGE THAT'S PROBABLY TOO MINIMAL.

AND IN FACT MOST OF THE HOMES WITHIN THE RIVERFRONT EDGE ARE NONCONFORMING IN TERMS OF THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT. I BELIEVE THE AVERAGE IS ABOUT TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED SQUARE FEET BUT ONE OF OUR CONCERNS AND ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD THIS AMENDMENT AND SUGGESTING A LARGER BUILDING FOOTPRINT TWO THOUSAND SQUARE FEET IS THAT WE BELIEVE THAT SOME OF THESE HOMES GIVEN MORE MODERN DESIRES AND STANDARDS THAT POTENTIALLY THERE MAY POTENTIALLY BE SOME LOSS OF HOMES IF WE DON'T ALLOW A LARGE BUILDING FOOTPRINT.

WE HAVE SEEN ONE HOME BUILT I BELIEVE LAST YEAR ACTUALLY BRAND NEW ACTUALLY TOOK DOWN ANOTHER HOME AND THERE WAS A HOME BUILT IN ITS PLACE. SO THIS REALLY IS ANTICIPATING THE NEED FOR A LARGER BUILDING FOOTPRINT. SO THE SUGGESTION HERE AND THIS IS THE PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENT IS TO ALLOW THE ADMINISTRATOR TO APPROVE A BUILDING FOOTPRINT 50 500 SQUARE FEET. AND AGAIN, THIS IS THIS IS NOT AN ABSOLUTE FIFTY FIVE HUNDRED SQUARE FEET. THE IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR ALL OF THE REVIEWS FOR A NEW DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION WITHIN OLD TOWN HAS TO GO TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION BASED ON A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE ADMINISTRATOR WITH REGARD TO BUILDING SIZE. SO IT'S NOT AN ABSOLUTE FIFTY FIVE HUNDRED SQUARE FEET THAT THE THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT SHOULD BE BASED ON ANOTHER BUILDING TYPE.

THAT'S CHARACTERISTIC OF THE RIVERFRONT EDGE DISTRICT. AND SO WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS KIND OF A WAY TO ALLOW FOR THAT LARGE REBUILDING FOOTPRINT WITHOUT COMPLETELY SAYING UP TO 50 500 OR ALLOWING 50 500 SQUARE FEET. SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT FOR JUST A MOMENT . AND THEN THE SECOND AMENDMENT THAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS MAKING CERTAIN THAT OUR RIVERFRONT AT OUR RIVER HOUSE RATHER BUILDING HEIGHT IS CONSISTENT AND WE BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE ONE AND A HALF TO TWO STORIES.

SO THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS. AGAIN, THE AMENDMENT TO ALLOW THE ADMINISTRATOR TO SUGGEST UP TO 50 500 SQUARE FEET FOR A BUILDING FOOTPRINT AND THE BUILDING HEIGHT SEAT FOR THE

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>> AND SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN EITHER APPROVE AS SUBMITTED BY STAFF, MAKE AN AMENDMENT OR DENY IF YOU MAKE A VOTE THIS EVENING IT WILL MOVE FORWARD TO TOWN COUNCIL ON SEPTEMBER 13TH WITH A PUBLIC HEARING AND A FINAL READING ON OCTOBER 11TH AND BASED ON STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. HERE'S POSSIBLE MOTION THAT YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER YOU ANY QUESTIONS DOWN THERE? YOU LOOK LIKE SO YES I DO. SO WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO THE FOOTPRINT OF 50 FIVE HUNDRED SQUARE FEET. SO TWO STORIES YOU COULD BE SEEING 11 THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT.

NOT NECESSARILY. I'M ASKING, YOU KNOW THAT THAT THE BUILDING 5 WOULD REMAIN THE

SAME. >> SO WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING THAT THE BUILDING SIZE CHANGE ONLY THE FOOTPRINT. SO WHAT IS THE BUILDING SIZE? SO IT WILL VARY BY WHAT'S PROPOSED. SO RIGHT NOW THE MAXIMUM BUILDING SIZE IS 50 500 SQUARE FEET. YOU'RE CHANGING THE FOOTPRINT TO 50 FEET.

ONLY A ONE OR CHANGE THE FOOTPRINT NOT THE OVERALL BUILDING SIZE BUILDING SIZE

COULD BE A ONE STORY CAN BE TWO CAN BE TWO AND A HALF STOREY. >> MAYBE I CAN HELP YOU FIND IT. SO A LOT OF THE LOTS IN THE RIVER FRONTAGE PROPERTY DISTRICT ARE AN ACRE PLUS. SO THEY'RE VERY LARGE LOTS IN THE TABLE WHERE YOU SEE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE YOU KNOW WHAT IS A 20 21 HOMES ALREADY CONSTRUCTED .

>> A LOT OF THESE LOTS ARE ALREADY ESTABLISHED WITH HOMES ON THEM AND MOST OF THE HOMES NOW ARE NOT EVEN THEY DON'T EVEN MEET THE CRITERIA. OUR GOAL IS TO ALLOW PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY THAT ALREADY HAVE A DATE, A SINGLE STORY HOME THAT WANT THE ABILITY TO TO EXPAND ON THEIR HOMES IF THEY WANT TO PUT ADDITIONS TO THEIR HOMES. RIGHT NOW THEY CAN'T.

SO LITERALLY THERE WOULD HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, TEAR DOWN THEIR HOME, REBUILD TWO STORIES IN ORDER TO GET THAT ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE. SO WHAT THE INTENT IS IS TO ALLOW FOR PEOPLE TO KEEP THEIR HOMES OR ACTUALLY PRESERVE THE HOMES THAT ARE THERE NOW AND ADD TO THEM AGAIN. AND SINCE SO MANY OF THE LOTS ARE ALREADY ESTABLISHED.

THIS WILL WILL ONLY AFFECT A FEW OF THE PROPERTIES IT GIVES THEM THE ABILITY TO MAKE THOSE EXPANSIONS THAT THEY NEED FOR VARIOUS VARIOUS REASONS AND THAT WAY THEY'RE THEN CONSISTENT. ONE THINGS THAT WE ALWAYS TRY TO DO IN THE PLANNING WORLD IS THAT IF PEOPLE CONTINUALLY HAVE TO COME IN TO GET A VARIANCE FOR A CERTAIN ITEM THAT MEANS THAT THE CODE IS WRONG AND WE NEED TO CHANGE THE CODE AND THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THIS SITUATION. AND ARE ANY OF THESE RESIDENCES STORE OR SIGNIFICANT? I MEAN, YES. YES. SO SO IS HISTORIC PRESERVATION LOOKED AT THIS TOO. THEY HAVE REVIEWED THIS. THEIR RECOMMENDATION WITH THIRTY FIVE HUNDRED SQUARE FEET FOR THE MAXIMUM BUILDING FOR PARESH.

AND WHERE DID THEY COME UP WITH THAT NUMBER? THAT WAS THROUGH A VERY LONG DISCUSSION. WE TALKED FOLDING FOOTPRINTS OUT HERE.

PRESENTLY WHICH THIRTY FIVE HUNDRED SQUARE FEET WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE BUT THAT WAS PROBABLY THE CONCERN WITH STAFF. THIS PROBABLY WAS NOT GOING SUBSTANTIAL ENOUGH AND THAT WE'D STILL EXPERIENCE REQUESTS FOR INCIDENTS.

ALSO LECTURE TO REMIND YOU THAT THE MAJORITY OF THESE HOMES HAVE A DATE THEIR FRONT SET BACK IS FROM THE RIVER. SO YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT I BELIEVE IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL

AMOUNT DISTANCE FROM THE RIVER AND IT'S ON SOME OF THEM. >> SO THERE ARE OLDER HOUSES.

SO THOSE LINES HAVE CHANGED OVER THE YEARS. SO THEY'RE REALLY GETTING PINCHED TO HOLD EVERY SINGLE TIME SOMETHING CHANGES. YES.

TO BE CLEAR, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE SHOULDN'T FIX THE DEO SO THAT WE AVOID THE VARIANCES STRUCK BETWEEN THE 55 HUNDRED AND THIRTY FIVE HUNDRED. I I I SEE SOME OF THE DATES OF SOME OF THESE HOUSE HOMES. YOU KNOW THE MCMANSION CONCEPT HITS ME IT'S LIKE WELL I'LL BUY THIS PLACE, TEAR IT DOWN AND BUILD MY 50 500 SQUARE FOOT WHATEVER AND WE LOSE LOSE SOME

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YES THAT'S THE HPC. BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO RULE OVER OUR ARCHITECTURE WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT SCALE AND MASSING AND AND THEN LIKE SHE SAID WITH THE 55 THAT'S THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE. THAT'S LIKE A ONE STOREY HOUSE OR A TWO STORY HOUSE.

IT'S 3000 ON THE BOTTOM AND TWO UP OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE. HOWEVER THEY THAT ACTUALLY RESTRICTS MORE HOMES FROM HAVING THE ABILITY TO DO ANY TYPE OF EXPANSION.

>> SO WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE. IT'S STILL 55.

SO IT'S THE FOOT. IT'S THE FOOTPRINT VERSUS THE NUMBER OF STORIES.

RIGHT. THE ABILITY FOR A EXISTING ONE STOREY HOMES, THE ABILITY TO EXPAND OUT INSTEAD OF UP JUST MR. COSTA TO REMOVE A ROOF AND NICE AND THEY STILL HAVE TO USE STORMWATER. IBM PAYS, CORRECT? THEY'D HAVE TO IN STORM WATER OR STORMWATER AFFIDAVITS. YES. MEAN WOULD BE SPECIFIC.

YES. AND STILL HAS TO BE REVIEWED BY HPC UNLESS IT'S JUST ONE MORE THING. SO FIFTY FIVE HUNDRED FOOTPRINT.

DO WE HAVE ANY. I KNOW THIS IS GONNA SOUND WEIRD.

DO WE HAVE ANY REQUESTS OR SUGGESTIONS THAT PEOPLE WANT TO GO MORE THAN 50 500 SQUARE FOOT AS FAR AS THE TOTAL HOUSE? ARE WE GOING TO COME BACK AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION SIX MONTHS FROM NOW? THIS IS ANTICIPATING THAT THAT WILL HAPPEN AND IS LIKELY TO HAPPEN GIVEN THAT THESE ARE RIVERFRONT LOTS AND VERY DESIRABLE SITE MORE THAN I'M

SAYING. >> I'M SAYING YOU'RE NOT CHANGING THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE. YOU'RE CHANGING THE FOOTPRINT. I GET IT.

ARE THERE ARE THERE ARE THERE DESIRES OUT THERE TO CHANGE THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE AND WE'LL GET BACK TALKING ABOUT THAT IN SIX MONTHS TO GO HIGHER YOU MEAN? YES, I KNOW THAT CAN HAPPEN ON THESE LOTS OF THEM UNLESS THEY'RE COMPLETELY DEMOLISHING EVERYTHING WHICH STILL HAS TO GO BACK THROUGH HPC OR SOMEBODY WHO'S GOING TO YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO I MEAN I GO AND I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO INCREMENT MY WAY TO YOU KNOW, TOOK 10000 SQUARE FOOT HOMES. I THINK THAT'S WHERE STAFF COMES INTO PLAY TOO AND THEY'RE GOING TO HELP THEM LIMIT THAT. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO JUST LET US KEEP CHANGING ANYTHING.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT WE DON'T WANT WE DON'T WANT TO END UP WITH LARGE CITY HOUSES LIKE CERTAIN AREAS ON WHICH WE HAVE NOTHING NOW THAT'S FIFTY FIVE HUNDRED SQUARE FEET OUT THERE AND MOST EVERYTHING IS AND LOOKS LIKE TO BE THE TWO THREE THOUSAND RANGE. OVERALL I THINK IT WAS AS WE HAVE A MOTION FOR A RECOMMENDATION I'LL DO IT. I MOVE TO RECOMMEND WE APPROVE THE AMENDMENT TO THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER TWENTY THREE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE ARTICLE 5 DESIGNED STANDARDS TO INCREASE THE FOOTPRINT FOR THE ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPES SECTION 5 15 5 IN THE RIVERFRONT EDGE H D ZONING DISTRICT AND TO PROVIDE A CONSISTENT HIGH FOR THE RIVER HOUSE BUILDING TYPES SECTION 5 15 FIVE DOT E AND FIVE DOT 15

DOT A DOT M AND A SECOND. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR.

I THANK YOU. WE HAVE MADE MAN HAVE A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT SCIENCE SECOND

ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO DISCUSS IT? >>

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