Aug 10, 2022 Town of Bluffton Planning Commission - Special Meeting

[I. CALL TO ORDER]

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AND SPECIAL MEETING FOR PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER. IF I COULD HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE VISE CHAIRMAN CHARLIE WHITMORE HERE MR. KATHLEEN DUNCAN HERE MR. HAVE REACHED

OUT FOR AIR COMMISSIONER JIM FLYNN. >> MR. LIDDY AT THE BAR CHAIRMAN AMANDA JACKSON. DAGMAR MR. JASON STEWART. OK.

[III. NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT]

HE SHOULD BE HERE AND I'LL HAND OFF THE GAVEL TO HER WHEN SHE GETS HERE.

NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL NOT HEAR ANY NEW ITEMS AFTER 930 PM UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT ITEMS WHICH

[IV. NOTICE REGARDING PUBLIC COMMENTS*]

EVERY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO IS RECOGNIZED TO SPEAK SHALL ADDRESS THE CHAIRMAN IN SPEAKING AND AVOID DISRESPECTING COMMISSION STAFF OR OTHER MEMBERS OF THE MEETING. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS WHEN SPEAKING FOR THE RECORD

[V. ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA]

I CAN ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. I OPPOSED. OKAY.

AGENDA AGENDAS ADOPTED. DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS? GENERAL COMMENTS FIRST.

DO WE WANT TO JUST HAVE NO COMMENT? OKAY.

>> OK, SO NO PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA SEEING AS THERE IS NO OLD

[IX. 1. Workshop to Discuss the Economics and Priority Investment Elements for Blueprint Bluffton, an Update Long-range Comprehensive Plan for the Town of Bluffton – Charlotte Moore, Principal Planner]

THE WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS ECONOMICS AND PRIORITY INVESTMENT ELEMENTS FOR BLUEPRINT BLUFFTON AND UPDATE LONG RANGE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON CHARLOTTE MOORE PRINCIPAL PLANNER AND CHARLOTTE THANK YOU AND I REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH TO

ADD. >> I DO WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE MOVING THE VOTE OR THE RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL TO THESE SEPTEMBER PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.

SO THERE WILL BE TIME FOR YOU TO LOOK AT THE DRAFT AND WE'LL TALK WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT TONIGHT WITH KYLE BUT THERE WILL BE TIME TO REVIEW THAT. AND BEFORE YOU MAKE A VOTE OR TAKE A VOTE ON IT IN SEPTEMBER WE CONFRONT THE TOWN MANAGER TO MAKE SURE OBVIOUSLY AFTER DISCUSSIONS WITH KYLE, MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN GET ALL THAT INFORMATION, GET THAT FINAL DRAFT OR THE 4.0 AND THEN ALLOW EVERYONE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE PUBLIC.

CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? I READ. YEAH.

OH, YOU CAN STILL HEAR ME TALKING. I WAS WORKING MY THOUGHT.

>> YES. LET'S LESS ON THE MICROPHONE AS WELL ALL THE MICROPHONES UP HERE AND PICK UP ALL OF HER VOICE SO YOU CAN'T WHISPER WITHOUT SOMEONE HERE.

>> SO NOT CREEPY AT ALL AT ALL. >> SO SO THE INTENT IS TO HAVE KYLE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

I THINK WE SAID SEVEN IS TO HAVE THAT FINAL PLAN OUT AND THAT WAY IT'S OUT THE PUBLIC FOR LAST KIND OF FINAL REVIEW. BASED ALL THE COMMENTS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE PROVIDED GIVES US

THREE WEEKS PRIOR TO THE MEETING. >> SO SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO.

I KNOW YOU PROBABLY WANT CHUNKS. IF WE CAN GET THE SHOWS WE'LL GET THEM TO YOU INDIVIDUALLY. BUT THEN THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS ON THE 7TH HAVING THAT FINAL FULL PLAN TOGETHER FOR FINAL COMMENTS AND THEN REVISION BEFORE COUNCIL.

>> YEAH. SO THE INTENT IS IF I'M HEARING YOU RIGHT, WE WILL GET IT.

I DIDN'T HEAR ACTUALLY. I'M SORRY. HOW FAR BEFORE THIS WE'LL GET IT BY THE 7TH WE MAY SEE PIECES BEFORE THE SEVEN. YES WE CAN.

IF WE GET SOME SECTIONS OUT OF IT BEFOREHAND. BUT THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THE FULL DOCUMENT BY THE SEVENTH AND THEN THAT WAY THREE WEEKS. THAT'S FOR A FULL THREE WEEKS PRIOR TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. SO PUBLIC I'LL BE ABLE TO GET THAT COMMENT ON AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET THAT COMMENT ON THAT AND THEN DURING THAT MEETING WE CAN FINE TUNE IT AND HOPEFULLY HAVE IT IN A POSITION TO PASS OFF TO.

>> YEAH. IF THERE IS ANY TO CANCEL. YES.

YES. AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU KNOW THERE'S NO GLARING ISSUES THAT WE CAN WE CAN MOVE IT FORWARD KNOWING THAT THEY'LL BE ADDRESSED AND WE CAN DO THAT UP I THINK IN CONVERSATIONS INDIVIDUAL WITH A COUPLE OF COMMISSIONERS.

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>> I THINK THAT THAT'S A GOOD THING. I THINK A FEW OF US WERE CONCERNED THAT IT EVEN THOUGH IT HAS BEEN SLOWED DOWN THAT MAYBE WE NEED A LITTLE MORE TIME AND YOU'VE ALREADY HIT THAT. THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.

>> MR. KEVIN , WILL IT BE SHARED WITH ALL OF THESE OTHER GROUPS THAT HAD INTERESTS LIKE

THE WATERSHED BILL BEGINNING THIS ON THE 7TH ALSO? >> WELL, WE'LL GET IT OUT TO THE PUBLIC. WE'LL GET IT OUT THERE AND THEN OF COURSE ALL THE GROUPS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH. THEY'LL DON'T GET IT AS AS WE GET IT TO.

OKAY. I GUESS ON TO TONIGHT'S AGENDA ,CHARLOTTE.

>> DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD OR DO YOU WANT TO PASS IT TO KYLE NOW IT'S ALL YOU.

ALL RIGHT. >> HERE'S YOUR MILK. BRAXTON OKAY.

WELL, WELCOME BACK. EVERYONE REALLY APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO WORK THROUGH THE PLAN WITH YOU ALL OVER THESE FIVE SESSIONS. THIS IS FIVE OF FIVE.

I'M GOING TO PULL UP THE AGENDA HERE FOR FOR THE DISCUSSION AND ALSO TALK JUST THROUGH A LITTLE WHERE YOU KNOW WHERE WE'VE GONE WHERE WE INTEND TO GO. I THINK KEVIN VERY ACCURATELY REFLECTED THE THE CALENDAR THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING FOR MOVING ON FROM HERE.

I'VE REALLY APPRECIATED YOUR THOUGHTFUL COMMENTS THROUGHOUT EACH OF THE EIGHT OTHER TOPICS THAT WE WE'VE WE'VE WORKED THROUGH HERE OVER THE FOUR PREVIOUS SESSIONS.

WE'RE VERY CLOSE ON ON SEVERAL OF THOSE OF ITERATING THOSE INTO THAT.

I THINK NOW THAT THIS 4.0 VERSION AND THAT WOULD INCORPORATE YOUR CAR, YOUR COMMENTS WHETHER THEY'RE SUBSTANTIAL, WHETHER THEIR WORK THAT WE NEED STAFF TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO INTERPRET BUT WE'RE GETTING VERY CLOSE. SO I'D REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

THIS IS KEVIN POINTS OUT THE SEVENTH WITH THE IDEA OF THE TWENTY EIGHTH HAVING THAT THAT HEARING WITH YOU ALL. WE'VE GOT TWO TOPICS ON OUR LIST THIS EVENING, OUR TWO FINAL TOPICS IN THE WHEEL. YOU'LL REMEMBER FROM WAY, WAY WAY BACK WHEN WE FIRST OPENED UP THE PLANT FOR THE FIRST TIME NO ONE IS A VERY INTERESTING ONE.

I THINK WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLANT WHERE I TALK ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TONIGHT AND DOVE. DO YOU KNOW SOME OF THE ONE FINDINGS FROM THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE BUT ALSO YOU KNOW, THIS KIND OF A POINT OF VIEW MEANING WHAT DO WE DO WITH WHAT WE KNOW AND HOW DO WE ACT ON WHAT WE KNOW? THE FINAL TOPIC TONIGHT IS A BIT OF OUTLIERS IN TERMS OF ITS ARRANGEMENT AND WHAT IT COVERS THE PRIORITY INVESTMENTS A CHAPTER AS THE STATE LAYS OUT IS A REAL SUMMATION OF THE WORK AND RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE INCLUDED THROUGHOUT THOSE NINE TOPICAL CHAPTERS WITH ALSO REFERENCES TO A BIT OF THE THE HOW AND I'LL GET INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER WHEN WE GET TO THAT CHAPTER.

BUT THINKING ABOUT IMPLEMENTATION, THINKING ABOUT BUDGETING THE CYCLE WITH WHICH THOSE THINGS OCCUR AND AS KEVIN POINTED OUT DURING THE PREVIOUS MEETING, THIS IDEA OF ONGOING PLANNING STRATEGIC PLANNING WORK LEVEL WORK DEPARTMENT LEVEL PLANNING.

HOW DO YOU INSTITUTIONALIZE THIS WORK GOING FORWARD AND CONTINUE TO INTERPRET THOSE POLICIES THROUGHOUT YOUR DECADE OF IMPLEMENTATION? SO THOSE ARE TWO TOPICS FOR THIS EVENING. YOU'LL REMEMBER THAT WITHIN EACH OF OUR CHAPTERS IN FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE OF YOU THERE MAY BE TUNING IN OR NEW TO OUR OUR CHAPTER RUN VIEW IS WE'VE GOT THREE CHUNKS OF OF COMMENTS THAT WE'D LIKE TO SPEAK THROUGH IN OUR DISCUSSION.

OF COURSE OPEN CONVERSATION AS WELL WOULD BE WOULD BE TREMENDOUS IN EACH OF THESE TOPICS. BUT WE'LL START WITH SOME SUBSTANTIAL COMMENTS.

THESE ARE AREAS WHERE WE'VE PICKED UP ON SOME NOTES COMMISSIONERS THROUGH YOUR COMMENTING IN THE DRAFT AND AREAS WHERE WE THINK THERE'S SOME MAJOR PIVOTING.

WE WANT TO DO ADDITIONAL RESEARCH, SOME CONNECTIONS TO ADDITION TO EXTRA OUTSIDE CHAPTERS OR IN SOME CASES AFTER SOME ADDITIONAL ACTIONS THAT YOU THINK MAYBE MAYBE UNNECESSARY TO ADD INTO THE WORK. WE HAVE THE SUBJECTIVE YOU REMEMBER THOSE ARE THINGS WE WANT TO WORK WITH STAFF TO TO FIND THE RIGHT VOICE OR ANGLE OF ATTACK IN THE PLAN. AND LAST ONE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HIGHLIGHT ARE SIMPLE ADDITIONS OR COMMENTS NOT THE SENSE THAT THEY'RE SIMPLE ACROBATIC OR SPELLING BUT SIMPLE SENSE THAT IT'S CLEAR FROM YOUR COMMENT WHAT THE ACTION IS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE US TAKE AND IT WASN'T JUST YOU AND MAYBE SEVERAL FOLKS SHARED THAT THAT IDEA.

SO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I'M JUST GOING TO QUICKLY JUMP INTO THIS AND IN LAYOUT A COUPLE OF THE THE RESONANT ITEMS THAT I SAW IN THE WORK IS THIS CHAPTER IS ALWAYS A BIT OF AN INTERESTING ONE. I THINK WITH AN ACCOMPLICE IN CONTEXT JUST IN TERMS PURVIEW OF WORK IN THE TOWN, DO WE CAN WE WORK TO INFLUENCE WHAT CAN WE WORK WHAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE

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AND IT'S ONE OF THE NOTES THAT I PICKED UP ON IN THIS SECTION WHERE I THINK WE COULD DO A BETTER JOB BUT LET ME QUICKLY GO THROUGH THESE FOUR BIG ITEMS THAT I SAW AND THEN WE'D LOVE TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATION WITH YOU ON THIS TOPIC. IN SOME WAYS WE COULD STRENGTHEN THIS CHAPTER EVEN FURTHER. SO ITEM IN THIS READING THROUGH WHAT YOU PLACED ON THE PAGE, THIS IDEA OF STRENGTH AND CONNECTION TO ECONOMIC COMPETITIVE PERFORMANCE AND IN OTHER ASPECTS OF THE PLAN. ONE OF THE COMMENTS I THOUGHT WAS WAS PARTICULARLY PERTINENT IN HERE WAS YOU KNOW, HOW DOES THIS AFFECT OTHER THINGS THAT THE TOWN IS TRYING TO DO? RIGHT. SO I THINK AS WE THINK ABOUT INVESTMENTS INTO THE COMMUNITY, WHETHER THAT'S IN NEW BUSINESS STARTS, WHETHER THAT'S IN JOBS, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR WHAT YOU'RE ABLE TO DO AS A TOWN IN OTHER AREAS? SO THIS IDEA OF FISCAL PERFORMANCE OR REVENUE SOURCING STREAMS THAT FEED INTO THAT LARGER RIVER. I THINK WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB OF TIME A CONNECTION BETWEEN A AND B MEANING THIS IS WHY WE PURSUE YOU KNOW, THESE EFFORTS BECAUSE THAT GIVES THIS BACK NOT JUST TO THE TOWN IN THE FISCAL SENSE BUT ALSO TO THE TOWN IN TERMS OF QUALITY OF LIFE, EQUALITY OF OPPORTUNITY AS WELL. ADDITIONALLY, ANOTHER AREA I THINK WE'RE A LITTLE WEAK ON IN THIS CHAPTER WE CAN DO A MUCH BETTER JOB OF STRENGTHENING THIS KIND OF INVENTORY OR CONNECTION OR INDEED THE ROLE OF SMALL AND LOCAL BUSINESS IN YOUR COMMUNITY. SO MUCH OF THE CHARACTER, THE AUTHENTICITY OF BLUFFTON IS IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, SOURCED FROM YOUR PORTFOLIO OF ENTREPRENEURS ,SMALL BUSINESSES, WHETHER THEY'RE RETAIL RESTAURANTS OR WHAT HAVE YOU. WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB IN THIS CHAPTER OF BOLSTERING THAT ANALYSIS AND TALKING ABOUT WHY THAT GROWTH IS IMPORTANT.

THE OVERALL TRAJECTORY OF THE COMMUNITY. I THINK THERE'S SOME QUALITATIVE COMPONENTS TO THAT. AND CERTAINLY SOME QUANTITATIVE COMPONENTS TO THAT THAT WE WOULD WANT TO BRING INTO THIS AS WELL. BUT ADDITIONALLY I THINK WE WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE UNIQUE NATURE THE BLUFFTON ECONOMY IN THIS CASE MAYBE VERSUS THE REGIONAL SYSTEM. SO THE AREAS WHERE YOU GUYS LIKELY HEARD THIS TERM OF QUICK LOCATION QUOTIENT. RIGHT. HOW DO YOU OUTPERFORM OR WHERE ARE YOU UNDERPERFORMING THE REGIONAL SYSTEM AND WHAT'S YOUR POINT OF VIEW ON THAT? JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE UNDERPERFORMING IN AN AREA WHERE YOU COULD MAKE UP GROUND IN THAT SECTOR. LET'S TALK ABOUT WAREHOUSING. RIGHT OR TRANSPORTATION THAT MIGHT NOT BE AN AREA THAT FITS FROM A CHARACTER POINT OF VIEW FOR YOUR COMMUNITY.

I THINK WHAT WE WANT TO DO IN THIS CHAPTER WITHIN THE NEXT ITERATION HERE IS PRESENT SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF REGIONALLY WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND YOU.

WE TALK ABOUT AIRPORT EXPANSION. WE TALK ABOUT THE OBVIOUSLY THE THE BOOMING AND CONTINUING TO BOOM AND WE'LL ALWAYS BOOM TOURISM SECTOR THAT WE DEAL WITH BUT ALSO THE GROWING CONSUMER RETAIL. AND WHAT THAT MEANS IN THE LOW COUNTRIES. SO WE WANT TO DESCRIBE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON THERE AND POINT OF VIEW I THINK FROM RESIDENTS AND FROM FROM FROM YOU ALL AND FROM OTHER STAKEHOLDERS WHERE ARE THE AREAS WHERE WE WANT TO TARGET? I THINK THAT'S IT.

THAT'S A KEY THING. AND ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT CAME OUT FROM FROM ONE OF YOUR SELECTION COMMENTS AND THE LAST THING I THINK THAT TIES IN ITEM D YEARS SECTOR OPPORTUNITIES MEANING IT JUST BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A DEFICIT IN SOMETHING WHERE YOU COULD ATTACK DOESN'T MEAN YOU WANT TO. I THINK WHAT WE WANT TO I.D. AND THIS MAY BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE IMPROVED IN SOME OF THE ACTION ACTION WRITING LATER ON THIS WHICH AGAIN ACTIONS IN THIS CHAPTER REALLY ARE PRESENTING GUIDING LIGHT AS OPPOSED TO GETTING VERY, VERY TACTICAL JUST IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU'RE ABLE TO CONTROL. YOU KNOW, AS A MEDIA WHAT YOU REALLY WANT TO CONTROL, I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER COMPONENT OF THIS ITEM D TALKING ABOUT SECTOR OPPORTUNITIES AND THIS AGAIN I USE THE TERM SYNCHRONICITY.

WHAT DO YOU WANT TO REALLY GET OUT OF THE ENERGY THAT'S OUT THERE IN THE SYSTEM RIGHT NOW AND HOW CAN THAT START TO ENHANCE OR ADDRESS SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT THE RESIDENTS SEE AS WELL? SO I'M GOING TO STOP THERE IN ANY REFLECTION ON THESE POINTS

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>> JUST TRYING TO TAKE YOU ALL WELL AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT KYLE YOU'VE PICKED UP ON THE REGIONAL PIECE OF IT AND TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE GROWING LIKE THE PORT AND OTHER THINGS BECAUSE WHILE WE'RE NOT GOING TO STORE CONTAINERS ANYWHERE NEARBY WE COULD PROVIDE YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S LOGISTICS OR FINANCIAL SUPPORT THAT WOULD

WORK INTO THAT. >> SO LOOKING AT THOSE REGIONAL OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU'VE

MENTIONED MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO ME. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

>> I THINK THE KEY POINT WE'D WANT TO MAKE IN THIS AND WE'D ALWAYS WANT TO MAKE IS THAT YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE LUXURY OF PREFERENCE IN THIS TO READ I THINK AND AND PRIORITIZATION AND YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO PREDICT ESPECIALLY IN AN INDUSTRY LIKE THAT WHAT ARE THE SECONDARY OR EVEN TERTIARY IMPACTS OF THAT LEVEL OF INVESTMENT? WHO'S GOING TO WANT TO CLUSTER, YOU KNOW, IN PROXIMITY TO YOU KNOW, TO THAT SORT OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND WE CAN GUESS AT A LOT OF THAT. BUT YOU'RE IN A STRAIGHT POSITION. I THINK IT'S KIND OF VANGUARD RIGHT NOW.

ESPECIALLY IN THAT SECTOR WHAT WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND I MEAN THE PHYSICAL SIDE OF THAT BUT ALSO THE SECONDARY AND SECONDARY EFFECTS OF IT OVER THE 10 YEAR PERIOD.

AND I THINK THE BEST THING YOU CAN DO AT THIS MOMENT IS TO COMMIT TIME RESOURCES OR TRUST OTHERS TO REALLY BE STUDYING THIS FOR YOU EVEN ON DAY TO DAY BASIS.

I AGREE. AND I THINK THE OTHER THING WE CAN DO WHICH I THINK WE ARE DOING IS MAKE SURE WE ARE PUTTING A PRIORITY ON AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY WE'RE GOING TO BE COMPETING WITH HARDY VILLE AND RICHLAND AND ALL THOSE OTHER PLACES TO HOUSE SOME OF THESE WORKERS. SO THE MORE THAT WE CAN DO IN

THAT AREA IT'S ONLY GOING TO HELP US. >> CAN I CHIME IN WITH THAT? ARE THERE SEEING YOU TALK UP THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING? SO A COUPLE THINGS.

ONE IS AT THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON IS WORK MOVING FORWARD WITH WORKFORCE PORTABLE HOUSING AND WE ACTUALLY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THE NEWS LEASE OUT BUT WE WE'VE SIGNED OUR CONTRACTS OR WE'RE STARTING OUR PHASE 1 FOR 10 NINETY FIVE MAIN ROAD SITE WHICH HAS ANYWHERE BETWEEN 12 AND 14 UNITS. ON TOP OF THAT WE KNOW THE TOWNS PART OF THE REGIONAL HOUSING TRUST FUNDS PUTTING THAT TOGETHER AS WELL. SO WHAT I'VE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE YOU KNOW IT'S A COLLECTIVE BARGAINING MONEYS THAT CAN ENTICE DEVELOPERS TO TO DEVELOP OR PORTABLE HOUSING. SO SO THERE'S THAT COMPONENT THERE.

SO IT'S BEEN WORKING ON. SO I THINK IT'S GOOD TO REFERENCE THAT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. BUT AGAIN, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THE COMP PLAN DOESN'T ACCOMPLISH ALL THE GOALS BUT IT JUST KIND OF GIVES US THE ROAD THE ROADWAY, HOW WE'RE GOING TO

GET THERE. SO RIGHT. >> WELL, I THINK I LIKE WHAT RICH YOU ARE SAYING, KEVIN . YOU WERE JUST SAYING KYLE IF I COULD.

IT WAS ONE OF THE NOTES THAT I HAD TO BRING UP TONIGHT IS WE NEED AND I THINK I THINK WE'RE GOING THERE BUT I THINK IT JUST NEEDS TO BE SAID TO BE SAID IS WE NEED A THEME OF THE FACT THAT WE NEED WE WANT TO AS PART OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WORK WITH THE APPROPRIATE PARTNERS AND HAVE THAT THREAD THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT WHETHER IT'S HOUSING WITH WHAT KEVIN WAS JUST SAYING, WHETHER IT'S TRANSPORTATION BECAUSE WE DON'T OWN MOST OF THE ROADS, WHETHER IT'S THE SCHOOL'S OR WHATEVER IT IS WE NEED THAT THAT THEME. THAT'S A MAJOR THEME I'M HEARING COME OUT OF THIS DOCUMENT AND IT'S A MAJOR THEME THAT WAS IN THE 2007 DOCUMENT.

AND IF I COULD ADD JUST FOR CONTEXT BECAUSE I WAS INVOLVED IN THE LAST MAJOR OVERHAUL IN 2007 A COUPLE OF THINGS IN THIS SECTION THAT WE ADDRESSED IN THE TIME THAT I THINK ARE STILL RELEVANT BUT MAYBE THEY'RE NOT. AND THIS IS PART OF THE DISCUSSION OF THE CONVERSATIONS WAS OLD TOWN TO US WAS THE SMALL VILLAGE THE IDEAL OF NOT HAVING NOT THAT YOU COULD STOP IT FROM HAPPENING BUT NOT HAVING CHAIN STORES IN OLD TOWN IT WAS THE LOCAL THAT WAS WHERE WE PUT A LOT OF EGGS IN THAT BASKET OF WE WANT YOU KNOW, SUSIE AND RALPH TO OPEN UP A LITTLE CONVENIENCE STORE TYPE OF THING NOT NECESSARILY BOOKIES COMING INTO TOWN BUT

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THAT WAS ONE OF THEM. >> ANOTHER ONE WAS WE TALKED ABOUT DUE TO THE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH ALL THE SALTWATER MARSHLAND. THERE ARE CERTAIN INDUSTRIES THAT I KNOW KELLY TALKED ABOUT WE WANT TO BE POSITIVE HERE THE THINGS WE WANT BUT THERE ARE ALSO WE CAN IDENTIFY. THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE DON'T WANT.

I REMEMBER SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT AND IT'S ACTUALLY RELEVANT IN TODAY'S WORLD COMPUTER CHIP MANUFACTURING THERE'S MONEY OUT THERE TO BE HAD TO BUILD THESE COMPUTER CHIP PLANTS. WELL, COMPUTER CHIP PLANTS DISCHARGE ABOUT A MILLION GALLONS OF WATER. I BELIEVE IT'S PER MONTH AND YOU CAN'T DISCHARGE THAT MUCH

FRESH WATER. >> IT MAY HAVE BEEN PER DAY BUT IT'S A LOT OF WATER AND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME AND YOU CAN'T DO THAT HERE OR YOU'LL RUIN THE WATERWAYS.

SO THERE'S CERTAIN INDUSTRIES THAT EVEN MORE SO THAN JUST ONES THAT HAVE TO ADHERE TO EPA GUIDELINES. YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO DEFINE IN THE DOCUMENT IS WE WANT TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE ENVIRONMENT WITH THE INDUSTRIES THAT WE HAVE AND THERE ARE CERTAIN MANUFACTURING. I MEAN COMPUTER CHIP PLANT FOR EXAMPLE, GREAT WEST OF 95 BUT NOT IN BLUFFTON OR IN BEAUFORT COUNTY AND THEN ALONG THAT THEME OF SUPPORTING EACH OTHER, THE PORT EXPANSION I THINK IS A GOOD ONE TO POINT OUT BECAUSE THAT'S COMING MAY BE MAY NOT BE IN 10 YEARS PROBABLY WON'T BUT IT'S COMING.

SO THOSE THOSE WERE SOME OF THE THOUGHTS FROM THE PREVIOUS ONE THAT I THINK CARRY OVER WELL

INTO THIS ONE. >> THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THERE.

>> CENTRAL OHIO WHERE I AM BASED HERE AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE INTEL PROJECT HERE AND YOU KNOW, JUST IN TERMS OF A DROP FROM SPACE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, OBVIOUSLY IT'S MASSIVE. BUT WHAT WE'VE LEARNED THROUGH THAT JUST RIFFING ON YOUR POINT ON THE COMPUTER CHIP AS AN EXAMPLE WE START TO DEFINE YOUR WHAT WE DON'T WANT.

THERE'S ALSO THE IDEA THAT YOU KNOW, AGAIN A REGIONAL SYSTEM HERE IT MIGHT BE THAT YOU KNOW, AS A REGION THAT MIGHT NOT BE SOMETHING THAT FITS IN THE REGION.

RIGHT. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE BRINGING UP EARLIER.

I'M GLAD TO SEE THE THEME PLAYING IS IT'S SOMETHING WE REALLY HEARD FROM OUR COMMITTEE AND FROM THE PUBLIC IS WHILE THERE MAY BE THINGS THAT WE DON'T CONTROL.

I THINK IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S THAT LINE FROM HAMILTON, RIGHT? YOU WANT TO BE IN THE ROOM WHERE IT HAPPENED, RIGHT? YOU WANT TO BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION AS THESE BIG DECISIONS, YOU KNOW, THAT WILL AFFECT YOU MAY BE MADE. SO THIS IS THIS CHAPTER'S A PRETTY CLEAR EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THOSE. NOT TO SAY THERE ARE THINGS YOU DIRECTLY CAN'T CONTROL IN THIS, BUT I THINK FOR THE MOST PART WHAT YOU BRING UP IS IS RIGHT IS SOMEBODY REALLY QUICK CHAPTER ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I ONE OF MY TAKEAWAYS FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CHAPTER WAS THIS IDEA OF MUCH OF OUR FOUNDATION FOR ECONOMY HERE IS

ITS REAL ESTATE, ITS TOURISM AND IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S RETAIL. >> SO THE ECONOMIC SECTION AS FAR AS I CAN TELL IS IT. IT'S IT'S NOT THAT IT DOESN'T SAY THAT WE NEED TO DIVERSIFY THE ECONOMY. IT'S THE EXTENT TO WHICH WE PUSH THAT AND CAST A VISION FOR WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS FOR BLUFFTON BECAUSE RIGHT NOW LIKE I SAID, WE'RE STRONGLY IDENTIFIED BY THAT TOURISM ASPECT. BUT WHAT DO WE WANT TO BE IDENTIFIED? DO MAYBE WE DO WANT IT TO BE THE TOURISM.

MAYBE WE WANT TO BE ECO TOURISM PRIMARILY MAYBE WE WANT IT TO BE A TECH PLACE.

BUT THERE'S TO ME THERE'S A IT'S A BIT OF A WEAKNESS THAT WE'RE NOT PUSHING THAT VISION

FOR OUR ECONOMY A LITTLE STRONGER. >> YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY YOU SAY THAT BECAUSE YOU BROUGHT TO MY CONVERSATIONS WE HAD WE WERE VERY CONCERNED THAT IT WAS PREDOMINANTLY TOURISM BASED BACK THEN AND THAT WE WOULD JUST END UP BEING MORE SO.

AND THERE'S BEEN A AND THERE NEEDS TO CONTINUE TO BE ONE BUT A CONCERTED EFFORT.

SO BRINGING TO THE AREA AND BRINGING ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT IN THAT LAST ONE WAS FOCUSING ON MEDICAL FIELDS, WHETHER IT WAS HOSPITALS, WHETHER IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE

CARE CORE INSURANCE RELATED. >> WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT POTENTIALLY THE HIGHER EDUCATION IN THE SCHOOLS. AND SO WE'VE SEEN TCO AND USC BE THEY'RE NOT IN THE TOWN LINES BUT NOW WE HAVE A CULINARY SCHOOL IN THE TOWN LINE.

SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT AND I APOLOGIZE I JUST HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET INTO THIS ONE IN DEPTH LIKE SOME OF THE OTHERS BUT THEY MAY ALREADY BE MENTIONED IN THERE.

BUT I LOVE THE ECO TOURISM ASPECT OF IT TOO. THAT'S A VERY THAT CAN BE A

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VERY PROSPEROUS INDUSTRY. >> AND WE HAVE THE NATURAL RESOURCES THAT PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO SEE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S MENTIONED IN THERE OR NOT, BUT

IT IS COMMISSIONER. >> I THINK IT'S AN AREA WHERE WE WORK SAID ON YOUR BEHALF TO I THINK A LOT OF OVERLAPS FROM OUR DISCUSSION AROUND NATURAL RESOURCES, AROUND RESILIENCY IN AND AROUND LAND USE IN TAPPING INTO THAT WHAT IS KIND OF A NASCENT, YOU KNOW, SIDE OF HIS TOURISM, YOU KNOW. QUESTION AND I WOULD SAY THAT WITH TOURISM WHAT'S REALLY INTERESTING IS THAT'S NOT A MONOLITHIC INDUSTRY EITHER. RIGHT? THERE'S THERE'S SEGMENTS TO THAT. THERE'S THERE'S THERE'S WAYS IN WHICH THERE'S THERE'S DIFFERENT ANGLES OF ATTACK. I GUESS FOR THAT PIECE YOU'RE DIFFERENT THAN HILTON HEAD, RIGHT. YOUR VALUE PROPOSITION IS DIFFERENT THAN THE ISLAND. IT'S DIFFERENT IN SAVANNAH. AND I THINK WHAT YOU BROUGHT UP WITH THE SMALL BUSINESS HARDBALL TOWN AND KIND OF THAT AUTHENTICITY IF IT'S NOT GETTING ACROSS THE CHAPTER WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOES THAT.

THAT'S THAT'S A KEY VALUE PROPOSITION FOR YOU IN TERMS OF FOLKS THAT ARE VISITING EITHER FOR AN EVENING OR YOU KNOW, FOR A DAY, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.

THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO DIVERSIFY EVEN WITHIN THAT SECTOR.

I THINK ON THE OTHER SIDE WHEN IT COMES TO THIS BROADER SENSE OF DIVERSIFICATION ONE I THINK YOULD UNDERSTAND AND YOU'RE RIGHT. COMMISSION YOU DONE WELL ACTUALLY SINCE THE PREVIOUS PLAN TO TO ADDRESS THAT THERE'S ROOM TO MOVE.

I THINK IT GETS BACK TO THIS IDEA OF BEING DISCERNING WITHIN THE GROWTH.

LIKE WHAT ARE THE TYPES OF JOBS THEY CAN'T CONTRIBUTE HERE IN ALL WAYS.

MEANING NOT JUST TO THE FISCAL BOTTOM LINE BUT ALSO TO, YOU KNOW, AESTHETICS, QUALITY PLACE, LIFESTYLE, AMENITY, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. THERE'S GOOD PARTNERS THAT CAN

JOIN YOU HERE AND HELP YOU ACCOMPLISH THAT. >> I THINK ONE OF THE FRAMING QUESTIONS WE HAD AND AGAIN SOME OF THE STUFF IS JUST COMING BACK TO MIND BECAUSE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE SAME THING HERE IN 07. I STILL DO BUT IN 0 7 I HAD FIVE CHILDREN. I STILL DID. THEY WERE BETWEEN NINE AND 15 YEARS OLD AND THEY WERE ALL IN BLUFFTON SCHOOLS. AND THE QUESTION THAT WE ASKED AND I FRAME IT TO SHOW YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, I LITERALLY WAS LIVING THIS IS WHERE MY KIDS HAVE A JOB LOCALLY IF THEY WANT TO STAY LOCALLY AND NOW WE'RE YOU KNOW, 15 YEARS LATER AND NONE OF MY KIDS LIVE LOCALLY. AND OF THE FIVE KIDS I CAN ONLY THINK OF ONE THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO FIND A JOB HERE IN HIS FIELD. SO THAT'S ONE FIFTEEN YEARS AGO IT WAS PROBABLY ZERO BUT THERE'S STILL THE HEALTH INDUSTRY IS GOOD.

>> THE ECO TOURISM THE HIGHER EDUCATION. WHAT WHAT ELSE IS THERE?

YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE IS THERE? >> WE CAN'T BUILD A ONE DAY PLANT.

GET WE COULD WE COULD. AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GOT CARE CORE HERE.

BUT HOWEVER THAT WAS DONE IT WAS BRILLIANT. I MEAN COULD YOU DO THAT FOR OTHER FINANCIAL SERVICES COMPANIES OR LIKE I SAID LOGISTICS COMPANIES THAT COULD BE A SERVICE IN THE BROADER REGION. SO HOWEVER THEY DID THAT, WHOEVER DID THAT GREAT WORK AND MAYBE I WAS GONNA ASK THE QUESTION BECAUSE I LIKE I LIKE SOME OF THESE ACTION PLANS SO I JUST LIKE TO SUPPORT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN. IS THERE A HOPE THAT SEVERAL OF THE STAFF HAS TO DO THAT?

>> HOW DID THOSE GET A MORE TIME? IT'S ELEMENT NUMBER E 2.0 TO SUPPORT THE CREATION OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN WHILE YOU'RE

LOOKING AT THAT. >> KEVIN , THERE IS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGENCY.

WELL THERE IS. YEAH. RIGHT.

AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE THE BEAUFORT COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.

SO THAT THEY WERE BOTH IN BLUFFTON WITH DON KIND OF CENTER WITH THE TOWN THE IN THE COUNTY AND IN THE SOUTHERN ALLIANCE GROUP. JASPER YES.

SO UNTIL THAT GETS DONE SO. SO THEY'RE ON A LARGER SPECTRUM AND THERE ARE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GROUPS ARE CONSTANTLY WORKING MORE FOR US FOR BEAUFORT COUNTY.

SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, AN INDUSTRY THAT COMES IN JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT NECESSARILY IN OUR CORPORATE LIMITS DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE NOT BENEFITING. SO IT'S IN THE COUNTY THAT'S WHERE THAT REGIONAL APPROACH IS IS IS BENEFICIAL. WELL, AND TO SPEAK TO SOMETHING YOU SAID A MINUTE AGO WITHOUT GETTING INTO ALL THE MINUTIA WHICH I DON'T KNOW MOST OF IN ANY WAYS THE PROPERTY THE CLEAR COURSE SITS ON OR NOW EVEN CORE THAT WHOLE BUCK WALTERS CENTER IS A BEAUFORT COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ZONE AND I MAY BE USING THE WRONG WORDING BUT

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INDUSTRIES, MEDICAL AND SO ON DESIRABLE INDUSTRIES. >> I YOU KNOW, MR. YOU KNOW IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR YOUR BREAKDOWN, YOU KNOW IN TERMS OF INDUSTRY IT'S 10 PERCENT OF YOUR BUSINESS IS IT'S ABOUT ABOUT 7 PERCENT OVERALL YOU KNOW IN TOWN WORKFORCE BUILT IN. I THINK SOME OF THESE PERCENTAGES COULD BE A LITTLE DECEIVING BUT YOU ALSO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT GROWTH WITHIN THE HEALTH SERVICES SECTOR, ESPECIALLY THAT 10 YEAR PERIOD NOW WITH ABOUT 14 PERCENT OF YOUR EMPLOYMENT HERE IS 18 HUNDRED EMPLOYEES OR SO ARE IN THAT INDUSTRY. YOU KNOW, IS THAT SOME OFFSHORING THAT'S OCCURRED FROM HILTON HEAD? YEAH, PROBABLY BUT IT'S ALSO A GROWING FIELD AND IT'S AN AREA THAT REFLECTS I THINK KIND OF YOU KNOW, IT'S SOME BROAD RECOGNITION OF THIS BEING A PERMANENT PLACE. RIGHT? I THINK ECONOMICALLY SO YEAH. IF YOU LOOK JUST IN PARTICULAR THE TOURISM SECTOR AND THINGS THAT MIGHT BE MULTIPLIERS OUT OF THAT THERE'S THERE IS A LOT OF RELIANCE ON THAT.

BUT I THINK THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF OTHER INTERESTING TENT POLES HERE THAT WE WOULDN'T WE WOULD TEND TO SEE IN OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, BE LIKE YOU IF THAT MAKES

SENSE. >> AND YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS WE DON'T KNOW THE

PERCENTAGES BECAUSE THEY NEED TO BE RELOOKED. >> BUT WE KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF COMMERCIAL THAT HAS NOT BEEN DEVELOPED YET. AREAS WHERE THIS CAN BE BUILT.

SO TO ME THIS IS ONE AND TRYING TO DEFINE THIS AS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS IN THIS DOCUMENT TO TRY AND COME UP WITH GUIDELINES WITH STAFF THAT HELPS THEM FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS. WHERE ARE WE GOING IN THIS? I MEAN I KNOW WE'RE LIMITED BY ZONING AS TO YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO ALLOW SOME THINGS YOU MAY NOT WANT TO BUT THAT TYPE OF THING. ONE THING THAT DID COME TO MIND IS AS WE WERE JUST TALKING IS I DON'T KNOW HOW PLAYS IN HERE BUT A BIG PART OF OUR ECONOMY IS SOME OF THE MAJOR FESTIVALS

WE HAVE. >> AND THAT'S THAT'S A PART OF OUR CULTURE TOO.

>> ARTS AND SEAFOODS COMING UP IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS AND THAT IT'S A WEEKLONG FESTIVAL THAT BRINGS A LOT OF MONEY INTO THE LOCAL ECONOMY. IT'S INTERESTING.

>> CHARLIE, YOU BROUGHT UP A POINT EARLIER ABOUT THIS IS NOT THE FESTIVAL IS RELATED TO YOUR COMMENT ABOUT A CHIP PLANT POTENTIALLY BEING BUILT HERE KIND OF THING AT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME TO MY MIND WAS THE EXPENSE THE COST OF OUR LAND HERE.

SO THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO BUILD WEST OF 95 ANYWAY JUST FROM THE NATURE OF OUR PROPERTY VALUE

HERE. >> SO WHAT THAT DOES IS IT STARTS IT STARTS YOU DOWN A PATH OF THINKING IN TERMS OF VIABLY WHAT FINANCIALLY MAKES SENSE FOR FOR BUSINESS TO

COME IN HERE AND HOW DO WE. >> AND HOW DO WE BUILD IT FOR AND CATER IT TO THEM.

AND I THINK THAT'S A THAT'S AS MUCH SMALLER NARROW FOCUS IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT DIVERSITY OF ECONOMY AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT INDUSTRY IS AND IT MIGHT BE FINANCE JUST BECAUSE IT CAN FIT IN POTENTIALLY SMALLER FOOTPRINT. SO I IT'S I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU SOLVE THIS BUT I DO THINK IT'S AGAIN PUSHING IT'S PUSHING THAT VISION OF WHAT IT IS. AND IT'S ALSO REALLY GIVING A STRONG ANALYSIS TO OUR LAND. BUT I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU KNOW AND AGAIN THIS IS TO KEVIN'S POINT. WE DON'T HAVE TO GET DOWN TO THIS LEVEL.

BUT AS WE THINK ABOUT IT, ANY WHITE COLLAR JOB FINANCIAL LOGISTICS, THINGS WHERE IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A LOT OF SPACE ,IT DOESN'T POLLUTE. BUT IMPORTANTLY IT HAS GOOD SCHOOLS, GOOD SERVICES, GOOD RESTAURANTS, GOOD THINGS LIKE THAT.

THAT'S WHERE WE CAN BE COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE COMPARED TO SOME OF .

I MEAN LET'S FACE IT, OUR SCHOOLS A WHOLE HECK OF A LOT BETTER THAN JUST FOUR COUNTY SCHOOLS AND SOME OF THE OTHER SCHOOLS IN BEAUFORT COUNTY PERIOD THAT SHOULD BE PART OF OUR COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE AS WE'RE ATTRACTING THOSE KINDS OF BUSINESSES.

BUT AN ABSOLUTELY IT'S GOING TO BE IT'S GOING CERTAIN BUSINESSES BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT THE LAND COSTS ARE GOING TO PROHIBIT SOMETHING BIG AND YOU KNOW EVERYTHING ON THAT A

LITTLE BIT HERE. >> WE DON'T HIT THIS VERY HARD THE PLAN BECAUSE THERE'S JUST NOT GREAT DATA TO SUPPORT IT. IT WOULD JUST BE ANECDOTAL BUT WE CAN'T FORGET ABOUT THE WORK FROM HOME EXPLOSION. YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THIS AND YOU KNOW, DEMAND ONE FOR HOUSING.

I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, GROWTH TIED IN THAT THOSE NUMBERS START TO SNEAK IN TO SOME OF THE THINGS WHERE WE MEASURE USED AROUND FINANCE INSURANCE, REAL ESTATE PRIMARILY BECAUSE

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BUT THAT'S YOU KNOW, IS SECONDARY MOTION AFFECTING A LOT OF THESE OTHER AREAS WE'VE DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW AND YOU KNOW YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE IN THE CROSSHAIRS WHEN IT COMES TO A

DESTINATION FOR FOLKS THAT CAN BE ANYWHERE. >> AND THAT I KNOW YOU KNOW

THAT WHOLE LEVERAGE SO FAR. >> YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S SOME OF THE IDEA INDUSTRIES TO YOU KNOW I DON'T KNOW LIKE I DO KNOW BEAUFORT SAVANNAH THEY GO AFTER THE FILM INDUSTRY.

THEY GO AFTER STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT I MEAN I WAS TRYING TO LOOK IT UP REAL QUICK.

WE HAVE A MAJOR MARKETING AGENCY. THEY'RE NOT INSIDE THE TOWN LIMITS BUT BFG HAS DONE MARKETING FOR. I MEAN NONE OF THEM COME TO MIND BUT LIKE COCA-COLA MCDONALD'S TYPE PEOPLE AND IT'S 300 PEOPLE THAT WORK RIGHT HERE AND IN THE GREATER BOSTON AREA AND PROBABLY MOST LIVE IN BLUFFTON.

>> BUT THOSE WHAT WE CALL IT I GUESS NON PRODUCT RELATED BUSINESSES WILL SERVE SERVICE TO SAY I ALWAYS SAY I KNOW IT IS BUT I ALWAYS THINK OF LIKE HOTELS AND RESTAURANTS AND YOU KNOW, BUT THOUGHT BASED INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY IN TERMS OF WHITE CAR SERVICES, YOU KNOW THAT'S THAT'S ABOUT SIXTEEN HUNDRED EMPLOYEES, YOU KNOW, IN YOUR COMMUNITY BUT 13 PERCENT OF THE OVERALL. RIGHT. YOU MENTIONED THE FILM INDUSTRY ,BELIEVE IT OR NOT. YOU KNOW, IF YOU REALLY LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, THAT'S ALMOST 400 EMPLOYEES THAT ARE IN THAT FIELD OF MOTION PICTURE OR AMUSEMENT IN THAT'S A HARD ONE TO BUY. YOU KNOW, TO SEPARATE OUT BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THE REGIONAL THAT YOU ALSO SEE HERE. IT'S ACTUALLY IT'S A LOT MORE DIVERSE I THINK THAN YOU WOULD YOU WOULD FIRST LET ON YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS IS CHAPTER 6 THIS AN EASY ONE TO TALK A LOT

ABOUT ISSUES. >> DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? I GUESS MY ONLY COMMENT.

>> JUST DO ME A FAVOR. NAME ADDRESS. JUST SO WHY CAN'T IT WOULD IT

WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE? >> CARMEN MANNING AT 111 QUARTER CASTING CIRCLE IN BLUFFTON I GUESS THE ALL GOOD IDEAS OR GOOD INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE SHARING TONIGHT AND I THINK ESPECIALLY TO GRAB ON TO THE THE PORT AND THE ALL THE KINDS OF SERVICES THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEMS AND WHICH DON'T MEAN YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT ANY POLLUTING ISSUES.

>> IT'S MORE OFFICE AND GOOD JOBS AND PEOPLE MAY NOT WANT TO LIVE IN POOLER AND BUT RATHER BEING BLUFFING BECAUSE THEY HAVE A BOAT AND SO THEY WANT TO GET AND WANT TO HAVE THAT

LIFESTYLE TOO. >> SO I THINK THAT'S ALL GOOD. BUT IN ALL OF THIS AND I HATE TO BE THE DOWNER BUT AND I KNOW THIS IS A 10 YEAR PLAN. RIGHT.

SO WE CAN'T WE DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL BUT WHAT WAS SOBERING I HEARD THIS WEEK IS THAT AND YOU KNOW AND I I ALWAYS TELL MY KIDS HAVING GROWN UP IN THE BRONX, MOST OF PEOPLE I GREW UP WITH ARE STILL LIVING IN THOSE PRIVATE HOMES BUT THEY'RE STILL LIVING

THERE. >> WE'RE IN THE TOP PERCENTAGE OF THE WORLD.

RIGHT. SO IT'S HARD TO. AND WE'RE RETIRED.

SO YOU HAVE A CERTAIN ASPECT ON LIFE. BUT WHAT IS SOBERING 60 PERCENT OF PEOPLE ARE LIVING PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK AND 30 PERCENT OF PEOPLE WOULD OVER 250000 ARE

LIVING PAYCHECK TO. >> SO YOU KNOW, THAT'S HANGING OVER US.

>> AND TO BE ABLE TO TO MAKE PLANS DIFFICULT. RIGHT.

NOBODY KNOWS. BUT TO ALSO CONSIDER THAT IN THE WE DON'T WANT TO BE READING

FIVE YEARS THAT THIS DIDN'T WORK OUT AND THAT FELL THROUGH. >> THEY WENT BANKRUPT.

SO I ALWAYS KEEP THAT IN MIND IN THE DECISION MAKING BECAUSE I THINK WE ARE IN FOR A COUPLE OF HARD TIMES. YEAH, THAT HURT EVERYBODY. THE ECONOMY IS A ROLLER COASTER. UNFORTUNATELY I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.

>> BUT IT'S GOING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

YOU KNOW, IT'S IT IS AN INTERESTING POINT. >> WE TALK ABOUT THIS ECONOMY AND MY WIFE WORKS AT GULFSTREAM GULFSTREAM IS IN SAVANNAH, ARE BASED OUT OF SAVANNAH.

THEY 11000 EMPLOYEES. I KNOW AT LEAST TWO HUNDRED THAT LIVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE THREE NEIGHBORHOODS NEXT TO US. SO WE ARE I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT

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COMMUNITY FOR THE GREATER SAVANNAH AREA AS WELL. >> I KNOW PEOPLE DON'T ALWAYS WANT TO ADMIT THAT. BUT WE ARE ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS WORKS THE AIR CONDITIONER IF YOU GUYS HAVE EVER SEEN THE BEE ON THE MAP TOOL OR SOME OF THE IRS DATA, IT'S AVAILABLE BUT YOU CAN TRACK THE INFLOW OUTFLOW DAILY LIKE THE FOLKS THAT LIVE HERE.

WHERE DO THEY WORK? THE PERSON WORK HERE AND WHERE THEY LIVE? AND YOU KNOW, IT SHOULDN'T SURPRISE THERE'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT SWITCH REALLY.

AND YOU ALL ARE COMMUTING TO THE VARIOUS LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT.

BUT IT'S QUITE CLEAR THAT YEAH, GULF GULFSTREAM IS A SIGNIFICANT EMPLOYER FOR PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE AND OTHER MAJOR EMPLOYERS AS WELL. SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE GET BACK TO THE IDEA OF THIS BEING A REGIONAL SYSTEM LIKE HOUSING ,LIKE TRANSPORTATION, LIKE OTHERS AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO HEAR A LOUD VOICE AT THAT BIG TABLE NOW AND PEOPLE WANTING TO ON THE PORT THING NOW WAS AT THE TOWN COUNCIL MEETING LAST NIGHT.

>> AND SENATOR DAVIS WAS KIND TALKING ABOUT THE PORT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE IS THE GREEN SPACE . I DON'T KNOW. TAX ACT OR WHATEVER HE WANTED TO CALL OR POTENTIALLY THEY'RE GONNA DO. BEAUFORT COUNTY IS GOING TO DO FINE BUY BACK I GUESS REAL ESTATE THAT'S POTENTIALLY GOING TO BE DEVELOPED IF THE IF THE

VOTERS PASS IT. >> SO I GUESS IT SO IS SALES TAX RIGHT TO PURCHASE A BOND? THEN I STARTED READING ABOUT THE PORT DOWN THERE AND I WAS JUST READING MISCELLANEOUS ARTICLES AND I'M KIND OF CURIOUS I GUESS THIS REALLY DOESN'T ADD MUCH TO THIS DISCUSSION BUT I KIND OF GOT THE IMPRESSION THAT THE PORT WAS GOING TO POTENTIALLY BE BUILT. BUT THEN GEORGIA BECAUSE THEY'RE A PARTNER WITH NOW I BELIEVE JASPER COUNTY AS OPPOSED TO WHATEVER SOUTH CAROLINA PORT AUTHORITY IS, IT'S JASPER COUNTY AND GEORGIA AND I THINK I READ OR THE IMPRESSION I GOT WAS GEORGIA HAS KIND OF CHANGED THEIR MIND IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH MONEY THEY WANT TO CONTRIBUTE IN.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE CASE OR NOT. I'M I'M KIND OF CURIOUS IF YOU GUYS THINK THE PORT IS GOING TO HAPPEN MORE LIKELY. OH, I'LL PUT IT TO YOU THIS

WAY. >> I'VE BEEN AROUND SINCE 91 AND I'VE BEEN AROUND SINCE THEY STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE PORT AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BREAK GROUND IN 2015.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT I WOULD STAKE MY LIFE ON THE THAT THAT PORT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

IT'S A MATTER OF WHEN NOT BUT THAT'S UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S I'D LOVE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS AFTERWARDS BECAUSE IT'S A FUN CONVERSATION. IT REALLY IS.

>> THIS I WAS LATE TODAY BECAUSE I WAS COMING BACK FROM SAVANNAH BECAUSE MY WIFE HAD TO GO TO SAVANNAH TO GET A CALL AND ASK ME BECAUSE APPARENTLY SHE COULDN'T GET IT DONE HERE.

BUT WHEN YOU COME OVER THE BRIDGE AND YOU LOOK DOWN THERE, THEY'RE BUILDING THEY GOT SILOS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO YOUR SIDE. AND I'M CURIOUS, DO YOU THINK IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE RUNNING OUT OF LAND OVER THERE SO NOW THE ONLY PLACE THEY CAN BUILD IS ON SOUTH CAROLINA BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SEEM TO ME IN MY LIFE EXPERIENCE THAT STATES WORK WELL TOGETHER AND GEORGIA WOULD PREFER TO HAVE ALL THE MONEY GO TO THEM IF THEY COULD BUILD IT ON THEIR SIDE.

THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT THE PORT IN JASPER THAT WE COULD ACCOMMODATE SOME OF THE BIGGER SHIPS. THE REASON THE REASON I KNOW THE PORT IS GONNA GET BUILT IS AS IT WILL BE EIGHT NATURALLY DEEPWATER BERTHS WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO UNDER A BRIDGE IN BOTH SAVANNAH AND CHARLESTON HAVE TO GO UNDER A BRIDGE. AND YES, I MEAN THIS COULD GO ON FOR HOURS. BUT JUST BRIEFLY. SOUTH CAROLINA PORTS AUTHORITY SUPPORTS CHARLESTON ALWAYS HAS. ALWAYS WILL. AND THEY'VE BEEN DRAGGING THEIR FEET. GEORGIA WAS BROUGHT IN AS A PARTNER.

THEY'RE NOW DRAGGING THEIR FEET. JASPER COUNTY HAD IT ALL SET 10 OR 15 YEARS AGO TO BE BUILT WITH PRIVATE INVESTMENT MONEY AND THAT GOT PUT ON THE SIDE BECAUSE IT HAD TO BE DONE BY THESE PORTS AUTHORITIES. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT SHAPE IT WILL COME IN, WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE PRIVATE MONEY FUNDING IT, WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE JASPER COUNTY LOAN, WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE WITH GEORGIA.

BUT I MY MY PERSONAL OPINION IT WILL HAPPEN. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WILL IT HAPPEN? FIVE YEARS OR 15 YEARS AND WHEN IT DOES LOOK OUT BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BRING A LOT MORE PEOPLE HERE. YEAH, I WILL SAY IF IT'S FIVE

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YEARS THAT'S EVEN SCARIER FOR US. >> IF IT'S 15 YEARS THAT AT LEAST GIVES US A LITTLE OPPORTUNITY TO GET OURSELVES BETTER SITUATED FOR THE INFLUX.

WELL, AND THAT'S WHY AND KYLE, JUST FOR YOU ON THIS TOO. THAT'S WHY I'M I'M ACTUALLY.

LOOK, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT TO GO THROUGH HERE AND THERE'S A LOT AND WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE HANGING BY THE SEAT OF OUR PANTS A LOT OF TIMES BUT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF BLUFFTON FIND THE NEXT TOWN OVER DOES NOT HAVE A LOT OF THAT TOWN TO FIND DOESN'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE

THAT THEY'RE GOING TO NEED. >> AND SO ON. SO I'M I'M OPTIMISTIC

UNCOMFORTABLY COMFORTABLE. HOW'S THAT? >> WELL, IT'S GOOD.

I'M SORRY. NO, YOU GO AHEAD. I WAS JUST GOING TO QUICKLY SHARE SOMETHING AT RIFFS, SAW WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING HERE IS A LITTLE BIT EARLIER.

COMMISSIONER MOORE, I THINK YOU SHARED THIS ABOUT LOCATION OF YOUR YOUR WORKFORCE.

SO THESE THIS IS JUST QUICKLY SHOWING FOLKS THAT LIVE IN BLUFFTON WHERE DO THEY WORK? AND IT'S INTERESTING TO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE RADAR DIAGRAM THERE OF THE RAYS IS SHOWING THAT THE SHEER AMOUNT OF YOUR RESIDENTS THAT ARE COMMUTING ONTO THAT ISLAND EVERY DAY. BUT YOU ALSO SEE HIGHLIGHTED THAT BIG PIMPLE ON THE BOTTOM LEFT THAT THAT WOULD BE THE AIRPORT. I'M GUESSING THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, GULFSTREAM. SO YOUR INTUITION IS IS CORRECT .

WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IN A DIAGRAM LIKE THIS IS THEN JUST FLIP IT BECAUSE IF YOU GO AND LOOK AT YOUR WORKFORCE YOU'LL SEE JUST THE CATCHMENT AREA FOR YOU KNOW, HOW YOU ALL ACTUALLY SOURCE YOUR EMPLOYEES FOR THOSE THAT WORK WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY AND YOU ASSUME PRETTY FAR OUT AND IT STARTS TO REFLECT SOME OF THE HOUSING AFFORDABILITY AND WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE BROADER REGION. BUT REALLY ALL ALL DIRECTIONS NORTH AND SOUTH AND EVEN ACROSS INTO GEORGIA. SO I FIND THAT DATA TO BE INTERESTING.

I THINK IT SPEAKS A LITTLE BIT TO SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS GONE ON HERE SO FAR.

>> LET ME PAUSE YOU THERE. GO. GO BACK TO THAT FOR A SECOND.

SO THAT SECOND ONE YOU SHOWED WAS WHERE PEOPLE WHO WORK IN BLUFFTON LIVE.

IS THAT RIGHT? >> THIS IS WHERE EXACTLY THIS IS WHERE THEY THEY REST THEIR HEAD AT NIGHT BUT THEY WORK INSIDE YOUR CIRCUITOUS BORDER. DO WE HAVE THOSE MAPS BY ANY CHANCE? WELL, IT'S ON THE MAP THAT CBS THAT CENSUS DOT GOV.

LOOK AT THAT. THERE WE GO AGAIN. IT IS IT IS A GREAT, GREAT TOOL IF YOU'RE EVER INTERESTED IN THIS USE ACTUALLY TAX INFORMATION.

>> SO IT'S IT'S FAIRLY ACCURATE . IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING PAST THE COBIA YET WHICH IS UNFORTUNATE BUT IT WILL SOON. BUT I FIND IT'S INTERESTING IN YOUR CASE IN CONTEXT JUST IN TERMS OF THE DIFFERENCES AND AGAIN WHERE YOUR RESIDENTS ARE GOING ALSO YOU KNOW OBVIOUSLY THAT THEY'RE ALL COMPETING FOR YOU'RE ALL COMPETING FOR WORKERS RIGHT NOW. RIGHT. I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT THE MAP LIKE THIS YOU JUST SEE HOW FAR YOU KNOW, FOLKS HERE WORKING HERE.

JULIE COMING FROM TWELVE HUNDRED OF WHICH THIS IS ONLY ONE WAY.

TWELVE HUNDRED OF WHICH YOUR EMPLOYEES 20 ALMOST 20 PERCENT ARE COMMUTING MORE THAN 50 MILES TO GET TO YOUR COMMUNITY. AND THAT'S COMMUTE YOU CAN. AND IT'S A.

CAN YOU SEE IF YOU CAN CONNECT WITH HOUSING QUESTIONS SO I CAN TELL YOU WHAT TO DO INFORMATION. BUT IT JUST GOOD INFORMATION. AND IF WE DON'T HAVE THIS MAP IN THERE NOW I THINK I MIGHT WANT TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE NEXT VERSION OF OUR WORK ETHIC.

>> I THINK BOTH BOTH ENDS OF THAT MAP WOULD BE VERY INTERESTING TO INCLUDE AS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IT IT IT ADDS TO THE DISCUSSION OF WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER WITH THE OTHER PIECES IN OUR REGIONS AND I ALSO THINK WHAT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO LOOK AT

IS MORE OF A CURIOSITY THING. >> I SUSPECT WHAT YOU'LL FIND IF YOU LOOKED AT THAT MAP.

IF THAT MAP EXISTED 10 TO 15 YEARS AGO WE WEREN'T OBVIOUSLY WE WEREN'T AS DEVELOPED IN BLUFFTON AS WE ARE NOW. AND I THINK WE HAVE THE I MEAN WE JUST WE JUST DIDN'T EVEN HAVE THE ECONOMY TO SUPPORT IT. BUT I THINK ALL THOSE WORKERS WERE GOING TO HILTON HEAD AND WE STOPPED ALL THOSE WORKERS THAT ARE COMING FROM THAT 50 MILES AWAY ARE NOW STOPPING SHORT IN BLUFFTON. SO I THINK THAT'S CREATING SOME ISSUES FOR HILTON HEAD ALL IN THE PAPER THE OTHER DAY HILTON HEAD ANNOUNCED ONE OF THEIR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY WISH BLUFFTON WOULD, YOU KNOW, PARTNER IN THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING ENDEAVORS AND SUPPORT THAT AS WELL. SO I JUST SAY THAT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S INTERESTING WHEN YOU'VE GOT THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING FROM SO FAR AWAY AND WE'VE CAPTURED A LOT OF THEM I THINK HERE IF YOU WERE ABLE ARE YOU LOOKING AT FROM 10 YEARS AGO THE POSSIBILITY THAT I'M ACTUALLY GOING BACK TO 2002 WHEN YOU'RE JOHN KERRY WAS ONLY SIXTEEN HUNDRED IN THE COMMUNITY AND WHILE YOU DO HAVE A SORT OF A SIMILAR DISPERSAL

THERE IN THE REGION, IT'S ALSO A LITTLE MORE CLUSTERED NOW. >> NOW IT'S NOT QUITE FAIR BECAUSE YOU'RE ADDING ALMOST 6000 JOBS IN THAT PERIOD AND THESE ARE THESE ARE PRIMARY JOB. SO FOLKS MAY HAVE A COUPLE BUT THIS IS JUST THEIR PRIMARY.

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SO THESE PLACES AREN'T STATIC JUST LIKE YOU'RE NOT STATIC BUT YOU KNOW, THIS THIS I THINK REALLY STARTS TO PAINT AND UNDERSCORE THE REGIONAL CONDITION THAT THIS CHAPTER

TRIES TO TRIES TO HIGHLIGHT. >> ONE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE AND I DON'T I DON'T EXACTLY KNOW WHERE I'M GOING WITH IT BUT IT'S ONE OF THOSE I SAW FIGURE FOUR POINT ONE NINETEEN PERCENT BLUE COLLAR WORKERS VERSUS 58 PERCENT WHITE COLLAR AND 23 PERCENT SERVICE.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS THIS IS A YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S A VERY MIDWESTERN BELIEF THAT I'VE BEEN GREAT RAISED WITH IS THAT THOSE BLUE COLLAR JOBS AS THE MANUFACTURING JOBS THESE ARE

YOUR KIND OF YOUR MIDDLE INCOME FOLKS. >> THESE ARE THE ONES THAT'S PRIMARILY SUPPORT YOUR ECONOMY IS KIND OF HOW I WAS RAISED. SO WHEN I SEE A NUMBER LIKE 19 PERCENT BLUE COLLAR IT MAKES ME ASK THE QUESTION IS ARE WE ESSENTIALLY FINANCIALLY BALANCED IN TERMS OF WHAT SUPPORTS OUR ECONOMY HERE IF WE'RE ALL IF WE'RE SO HEAVILY IN THE WHITE COLLAR JOBS, DOES THAT MAKE US MORE VOLATILE? HERE'S I GUESS KIND OF MY

QUESTION. >> WELL, IT'S REALLY INTERESTING AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT COMMENT. IT'S IT'S EASY TO SAY. I WORK IN THE MIDWEST.

I WORK A LOT AROUND A LEGACY CITIES IN MICHIGAN AND INDIANA AND ELSEWHERE AND EVEN OHIO.

TYPICALLY WHAT YOU SEE AND WHEN THAT'S INVERTED MEANING YOU'VE GOT MORE MANUFACTURING JOBS THAT CAN LEAD TO MORE SUSCEPTIBILITY OR SOME VOLATILITY.

I WOULD SAY AS A COMMUNITY THOUGH INTERESTINGLY YOU'RE ACTUALLY PRETTY INSULATED FROM MOST ECONOMIC CYCLES. NOW OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A NATIONAL SOCIAL LIMITED 2008.

THAT'S IT. THAT'S A GENERAL DOWNTURN AND THAT HAS MASS EFFECTS ACROSS THE BOARD. BUT WHERE TOURISM IS A TENTPOLE YOU DO TEND TO SEE A LOT MORE BOUNCE BACK AND QUICKER BOUNCE BACK THAT MAYBE YOU GUYS TRACKED THROUGH YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE KOGUT EXPERIENCE THAT YOU ALL WENT THROUGH. THAT'S A GENERALITY.

BUT I THINK IT'S UP THERE MAYBE IN THE DRAFT THE NEXT WE COULD TALK A LITTLE BIT I GUESS I POINTED THIS OUT ON THOSE POINTS. WHY? HOW ARE YOU DIFFERENT? I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HIT THAT A LITTLE HARDER AND I MEAN LITERALLY AS A TOWN AS YOUR BORDER, NOT A STORY IN THE REGION.

WHAT MAKES YOU DIFFERENT? WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT QUESTION, I THINK IT'S A GOOD ONE TO BRING UP THE COMMENTS ON THIS CHAPTER. THE ORANGE CHAPTER.

>> OK, SHALL I MOVE ON? >> YES OR NUMBER 10. THE FINAL CHAPTER IS THE FINAL COUNTDOWN. HERE WE ARE. WE'VE MADE THE TOUR PRIOR TO INVESTMENTS. LET ME PULL BACK UP MY DOCUMENTS.

I HAD THIS CRAZY MAP PRIORITY INVESTMENTS. IF YOU'VE READ THE STATE'S DESCRIPTION OF THIS WORK AND YOU'VE SEEN SOME OTHER COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, IT'S SORT OF AN ODD BIRD. I THINK WITHIN OUR OVERALL FLOW IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A TOPICAL CHAPTER BUT IT'S MORE REFLECTING ON THE. THE BASKET OF GOODS THAT YOU'VE COLLECTED UP THROUGH YOUR WORK AND THINKING ABOUT YOUR ABILITY PLANNING TO IMPLEMENT THE WORK THAT YOU'VE IDENTIFIED OBVIOUSLY IN THIS. AND ONE THING THAT KEVIN WAS WAS VERY RIGHT TO POINT OUT DURING OUR LAST SESSION IS THE IDEA OF ONGOING INTERPRETATION AND TACTICAL PLANNING WITHIN HAVING THIS BROAD, BROAD STROKE AND GUIDING DOCUMENT IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE TOOLS THAT YOU DO THAT I REALLY, REALLY LOVE AND I HIGHLIGHTED ACTUALLY IN THIS CHAPTER IS THAT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT DASHBOARD YOU HAVE ONE OF THREE PLAYS I'VE EVER SEEN IN THE COUNTRY THAT ACTUALLY DOES THAT WELL AND HASN'T HALTED TRACKING SHOWS THE TYPE OF PROJECT WHERE THE INVESTMENTS COMING THE SOURCE FUNDING ALL THAT KIND OF YOU KNOW, UP TO THE MOMENT DASHBOARD IS REALLY, REALLY HELPFUL. BUT THAT'S WHAT A CHAPTER LIKE THIS REALLY STARTS TO PAINT OUT AS. YOU KNOW HOW WE ACTUALLY GOING TO START TO WALK THIS FORWARD AND GET THIS DONE AND YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES I USE THAT THE IDEA OF THE VIRTUOUS CYCLE OF COMMUNITY INVESTMENT. RIGHT. DEVELOPING A STRATEGY, CREATING A PLAN TO ACT ON THAT STRATEGY INVESTING EVALUATING WHICH IS THE THING THAT PEOPLE FORGET TO DO SOMETIMES. RIGHT. BUT EVALUATING AND TAKING THAT BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND ITERATING. SO THAT VIRTUOUS CYCLE I THINK IS WHAT FROM THE STATE'S POINT OF VIEW IS WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO POINT OUT IN THE CHAPTER LIKE THIS AND LIFT UP ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU READ THIS CHAPTER YOU'LL ALSO NOTICE IS THAT WE'VE GOT AT THE END OF IT THIS INVENTORY AGAIN OF EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN

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YOU KNOW, IS THIS A SHORT TERM LONG TERM? WE HAVE DEFINITIONS FOR THOSE OR AN ONGOING ACTIVITY. WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSION I THINK WITH STAFF AND WITH YOU ALL THAT WOULD BEGIN TO ITERATE SOME OF THE DESCRIPTIONS WE HAVE IN THERE.

AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PRIORITY, I WANT TO MAKE IT VERY, VERY CLEAR THAT LOW PRIORITY HIGH PRIORITY. I WANT TO CHANGE THE WAY WE ACTUALLY USE WORDS WITHIN THE SECTION THAT BECAUSE IF IT'S ON THE LIST IT IS A PRIORITY. I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT ESPECIALLY WITHIN OUR ACTION DEVELOPMENT. IF IT'S ON THE CUTTING ROOM FLOOR, IF IT DIDN'T MAKE THE PLAN, THAT'S WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT MAY BE LEFT OFF OF THE IMMEDIATE PRIORITY LIST. BUT IF IT'S IN THE PLAN IT MEANS IT WAS IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY, IT WAS IMPORTANT TO STAKEHOLDERS WAS IMPORTANT STAFF OR INDEED THROUGH OUR CHAPTER DISCUSSIONS. IT MAY BE QUITE IMPORTANT TO YOU ALL.

SO I WANT TO SHIFT THE TERMINOLOGY IN THAT MATRIX TO BE LESS ABOUT LOW PRIORITY.

HIGH PRIORITY. MORE ABOUT IMMEDIATE ACTION OR IN TERMS ENABLING PIECE IS A KEY SEQUENTIAL AND ENABLING ACTION THAT CAN HELP US UNLOCK EVEN MORE FUTURE WORK IN INVESTMENT. AGAIN YOU REMEMBER OUR RHYTHM SUBSTANTIAL SUBJECTIVE SIMPLE IN TERMS OF SUBSTANTIAL NOT A HUGE AMOUNT OF COMMENTS IN THIS CHAPTER BUT A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WANTED TO QUIT. THEY POINT OUT I THINK WE NEED SOME QUALIFYING LANGUAGE UPFRONT. ONE COMMISSIONER POINTED THIS OUT THAT I TRIED TO MAKE A POINT THIS CHAPTER ABOUT AGAIN AGENCY MEANING WHO CONTROLS WHAT AND WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT IN THE WORK? I THINK THAT GOT A LITTLE MISDIRECTED IN THE WAY I PHRASED THAT. IT'S AGAIN IT'S SUCH AN IMPORTANT POINT THAT THE IDENTIFY ACTIONS THAT ARE COMPLETE UNDER THE UMBRELLA UMBRELLAS TOWN PURVIEW BUT ALSO TO POINT OUT AREAS WHERE AGAIN I MISSED THIS THE LAST CHAPTER WE NEED TO BE LOUD HAMILTON IN THE ROOM WHERE IT HAPPENS. RIGHT. SO I THINK I CAN MAKE A BETTER POINT AND WE WILL MAKE A BETTER POINT OF THE BROADER COALITION OR COLLABORATION THAN MIGHT BE NECESSARY. AND WHEN NECESSARY. AND THE OTHER POINT AND I THINK THIS IS RELATED ITEM A IS THE IDEA THE ABILITY TO EXPAND AND ON THIS NETWORK OF POTENTIAL PARTNERS. SO IS WE KIND OF LOOK AROUND YOU I ALWAYS THINK ABOUT THIS LIKE A SOLAR SYSTEM YOU ALL BEING THE SUN AND YOU'VE GOT THESE KIND OF ORBITING PARTNERS SOME ARE REALLY TIGHT AND CLOSE IN ALMOST LIKE WE THINK ABOUT THE DAN RYAN BEING QUASI GOVERNMENT IN A WAY THEY'RE WORKING WITH YOU DEVELOPING PLANNING WITH YOU TOTAL SYNCHRONOUS WITH WITH YOUR ACTION AND THEN THERE ARE FOLKS OUT THERE IN THE KAPOR BELTS, YOU KNOW, BEHIND YOU KNOW, ALMOST BEYOND THE SUNLIGHT BUT THAT ARE STILL DOING GREAT WORK AND STILL IN THE ORBIT OF THIS COMMUNITY AND THEY NOT MIGHT NOT BE WORKING THEY'RE NOT MOVEMENT AND THEY'RE WORKING UNDER YOU BUT THEY'RE WORKING FOR YOU AND FOR YOUR RESIDENTS.

SO AS WE THINK ABOUT THE DELEGATION FOR THESE RECOMMENDATIONS MOVING OUT, I DO WANT TO BROADEN. I THINK THAT LIST OF ACTORS THAT MAY BE AVAILABLE AND CHARLOTTE, AS I SENT YOU AN E-MAIL EARLIER TODAY I THINK THIS IS VERY RELATED TO A DISCUSSION WE HAD IN THE PEOPLE SECTION WHERE WE WANTED TO DEVELOP THAT KIND OF CLEARINGHOUSE STATEMENT OR INVENTORY OF AGAIN NONPROFIT FOLKS SOCIAL AND HUMAN SERVICES GROUPS THAT ARE WORKING AND MAYBE NOT SAYING WHAT WE DO WITH THAT LIST.

BUT IN A WAY IT IS COLLECTING UP ALL THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE DOING GREAT WORK ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON AND ITS COMMUNITIES HERE. SO GET A COUPLE OF KEY POINTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS IN THE CHAPTER ABOUT THE INTEREST IN NOW THAT CAN OPEN THIS UP AND TALK ABOUT OUR FINAL SECTION PLAN. BEFORE OTHER COMMENTS I JUST NEED TO SAY KYLE, WE ARE NOT THE SON OF THE LITTLE COUNTRY WHERE THE HEART OF THE LOW COUNTRIES SORRY. WRONG ANALOGY. APOLOGIES THE BEATING HEART.

THERE WE GO. EVERY WAS ONE WHERE I HAD I WANT TO START IS WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THIS PRIORITY LIST AND I ALREADY I HEARD YOU THAT YOU'RE KIND OF WANTING TO SHIFT

YOUR LANGUAGE IN TERMS OF HOW YOU APPROACH THAT. >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME TO MIND AS I WAS REVIEWING IT WAS THE NATURE IN WHICH WE'VE MOVED TOWARDS ACTION ON PROJECTS IN THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON OF LATE WHICH SEEMS TO BE LIKE WE HAVE YOU KNOW, WE GO THROUGH A YEAR LIST EVERY YEAR AND PRIORITIZE ONE AND TWO WHICH MAKES IT HIGHER OR LOW

PRIORITY FOR THOSE PROJECTS. >> BUT I THINK THERE WAS A DISCUSSION IN THE LAST TIME THAT CAME THROUGH IN TERMS OF YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LOT OF NUMBER ONES.

AND SO WE WERE THERE WAS A COMMENT OR QUESTION TO THE EFFECT OF LIKE HOW IS THAT ALL GOING TO COME TO FRUITION KIND OF AT THE SAME TIME THERE ARE SO MANY PRIORITIES.

AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT DISCUSSION WAS THIS AS I RECALL AS I AS YOU KNOW FROM MY STORY, MY VERSION OF IT WAS IT WAS RESOURCE RELATED IN TERMS OF FUNDING

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AND SO WHEN I LOOK AT THESE RESOURCE OR THESE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES THAT WE HAVE, IT'S ALMOST A QUESTION TO ME IS IT NOT JUST A HOW WHAT PRIORITY AND MAYBE YOU ARE ALLUDING TO THIS AND JUST REFERRING TO IT IN DIFFERENT LANGUAGE. BUT I THINK OF IT AS A RESOURCE TO ACTION FUNNEL AS IS HOW MUCH HOW RESOURCE IS THAT ACTION THAT WE'RE ABLE TO EXECUTE? WHAT DO WE NEED? YOU KNOW, LIKE THIS ONE REQUIRES A LOT MORE.

SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LONGER TERM TO GET THERE. IT'S JUST KIND OF A QUESTION OR POINT I THINK I'M TRYING TO MAKE MORE FUEL ON THE ROCKET, RIGHT?

>> YEAH, I THINK THAT THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE AND THERE'S A POTENTIAL ADDITIONAL COLUMN YOU KNOW, WE CAN ADD TO THAT THAT LIST AND YOU KNOW, IN THE CONTEXT OF A COMPANY IT'S TOUGH BECAUSE YOU DON'T GET SUPER, SUPER TACTICAL. YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T QUITE GET TO THE YOU KNOW, DOLLAR SET VALUE OF THIS. BUT I THINK WE CAN DEFINITELY INTRODUCE THE COMMISSIONER THE IDEA OF ORDER OF MAGNITUDE. RIGHT.

SO YOU KNOW, MINIMAL RESOURCING TO VERY, VERY SIGNIFICANT TO THE LEVEL WHERE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT A GENERAL FUND ITEM. RIGHT. THIS IS AN ARPA, YOU KNOW, DROPPED FROM SPACE. WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT A WINDFALL. RIGHT.

WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT MONEY HAVING PRIORITIES. I THINK READY TO GO.

I TAKE YOUR POINT OUT OF EACH OF THEM THAT'S LESS AND LAST NIGHT'S COUNCIL MEETING THEY ACTUALLY APPROVED THE SECOND AND FINAL READING A 10 MILLION DOLLAR TIP.

AND ONE OF THE MAIN FOCAL POINTS IS THE RECENTLY ACQUIRED THIRTY SEVEN ACRE PARCEL ON RIVERSIDE WHERE WE'RE CALLING THE RED BARN PARK AS OF RIGHT NOW.

SO THAT WAY THAT THEY COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A IT'S A IT'S A IT'S A DIRE NEED OF PARK SPACE AND INSTEAD OF PEACE MILITANT OVER THE NEXT 10 TO 15 YEARS FACES THAT THEIR GOAL IS TO TO BRING THIS FORWARD AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE.

NOW WHAT THAT DOES IS THAT THEN OBVIOUSLY FREES UP OTHER MONEYS FOR OTHER PROJECTS.

SO YOU KNOW, KIND OF AS KIND OF SAYING WITH A COMPANY TO COMPLEMENT CAN'T GET EVERYTHING ACCOMPLISHED IN IT BUT IT GIVES US A PATH MOVING FORWARD. AND THEN THAT PLAN WHICH IS THE FIVE YEAR PLAN THAT COINCIDE WITH THE STRAP PLAN AND THAT'S WHERE ALL THE FUNDING COMES THROUGH. SO YOU KNOW, COUNCIL HAS THAT THAT YOU THOSE YEARS KIND OF PLANNED OUT AND IS ALLOCATING FUNDING ITSELF. SO IT'S IT'S THERE THERE'S COMPONENTS OF IT THERE. THEY'RE REALIZING THE NEED FOR IT.

THE FACT THAT THEY'RE PUTTING 10 MILLION DOLLAR BOND OUT THERE TO MAKE THESE IMPROVEMENTS. SO JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, YOU SAID THAT'S A TIP DISTRICT

ISN'T THE ENTIRE TOWN OR IS IT JUST DON'T ASK ME. >> I DON'T THINK TIPS I TIPS OR ARE CONTROLLED GEOGRAPHICALLY BUT I MEAN THIS COULD BE THE WHOLE TOWN OR COULD JUST BE

HYPER RIGHT? >> YEAH. I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER.

I MEAN WE CAN LOOK INTO IT THAT'S A UNITED I'M SIDE TRACKING.

>> I APOLOGIZE. >> I JUST HAD A GENERAL COMMENT IN THIS SECTION SOME OF MY PREVIOUS COMMENTS HAVE JUST BEEN ABOUT AND WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING MORE OF AN INVENTORY OF CERTAIN CATEGORIES AND ELEMENTS.

BUT ONCE WE HAVE THAT INVENTORY AND IN THE SAME VEIN OF WHO ARE WE INFLUENCING AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? I'M KIND OF HOPING THAT WE CAN PUT TOGETHER SOME NOT JUST WHO WE NEED TO INFLUENCE BUT WHAT SPECIFICALLY ARE OUR GOALS TO INFLUENCE THEM IN SO THAT WAY WE HAVE A VERY STRATEGIC PLATFORM OF THE GOALS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE FOR THE TOWN IN DIFFERENT CATEGORIES THAT WE HAVE NO OUTRIGHT CONTROL OVER BUT MAKING SURE THAT NOT ONLY ARE WE IN THE ROOM BUT WE'RE IN THE ROOM WITH A SPECIFIC MESSAGE THAT WE HAVE BASED ON THE NEEDS OF THE TOWN TO GET MORE OF A GOAL STATEMENT IN HERE IF POSSIBLE.

>> WHAT ARE YOU EAT THAT YOU'RE A DIPLOMAT? >> WHAT ARE THE TALKING POINTS FROM FROM THE EMBASSY? I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. I THINK INDEED A NUMBER OF THESE SECTIONS TO WE COULD MAKE THAT CLEAR ESPECIALLY WHERE THERE'S LESS AGAIN LESS CONTROL FROM THE TOWN. WHAT IS THE COMMUNITY'S POINT OF VIEW? WHAT ARE YOUR BROAD GOALS? AND I THINK WITHIN THAT TWO YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE SOME OF THE SPECIFIC STRATEGIES YOU MIGHT SUPPORT REGIONALLY VERSUS THE ONES YOU MIGHT NOT READ ME? SO I BROUGHT UP THAT YOU GUYS BROUGHT THE CHIP FACTORY AS AN EXAMPLE HERE.

RIGHT. LIKE IT'S CAN BE A REGIONAL EFFORT TO LAND.

IT'S SOMETHING A WHITE WHALE THAT SIZE. RIGHT.

BUT YOU KNOW, DOES IT FIT IN YOUR REGION? DOES IT FIT FOR BLUFFTON?

I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. >> I ENVISION AND MAYBE I'M

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YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. POTENTIALLY. SO I THINK ONE THING ONE OF THE DOWNSIDES OF LOOKING AT THIS MATRIX IN THIS STORE 3.0 FORM VERSUS 4.0 THIS IS ONE THE HARD PART IS I THINK ABOUT PEACE MILLING. THE EDITING OF THIS IS WE ALL I KIND OF NEED A WHOLE PICTURE FROM YOU ALL TO BE ABLE TO FINALIZE THIS IS WHY THIS CHAPTER ESPECIALLY IS THE LAST THING THAT I WOULD WANT TO FINALIZE BASED OUT OF THE WORK THAT I'VE DONE BECAUSE ALL THESE OTHER CONVERSATIONS THEN START TO INFLUENCE HOW THIS FINAL PIECE LAYS OUT. SO YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT COMMISSIONER.

THERE'S A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE OTHER NINE AND DIRECTLY INTO THIS TENSE.

WELL, I JUST THINK BACK TO RICHARD'S COMMENTS IN THE BEGINNING AND AND THAT WAS BASED ON A COMMENT WE HAD FROM A CITIZEN WHO I THINK IS SITTING IN THIS ROOM ABOUT THE QUANTITY OF SUGGESTIONS VERSUS THE QUANTITY OF INPUT AND I'M I I ALMOST AM HESITANT TO GO INTO ANY OF THE DETAILS THAT ARE HERE BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THESE DETAILS CAN CHANGE BASED ON AGAIN WHAT WE'VE DONE ON THE OTHER WORK. BUT THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

I I DON'T KNOW THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD ASK KYLE. KEVIN , DO YOU SEE SUBSTANTIVE

CHANGES IN THIS PRIORITY LIST AS CHARLIE IS SUGGESTING? >> I THINK IT'S CHAPTER I'M SORRY, KEVIN , BUT I THINK IT IS A CHAPTER BY CHAPTER. SO THERE ARE AREAS WHERE WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME. THERE'S CLEAR OBVIOUS PIVOT. I THINK THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL VERSUS WHERE WE WANT TO LAND, YOU KNOW, WITH YOUR VERY SOLID RECOMMENDED ACTIONS AND WHAT I'VE TRIED TO PRESENT TO YOU BACK IN TERMS OF WHAT I THINK I'M HEARING SO MUCH DEALT OR YES. I THINK SOME SECTIONS YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME SOME STAY SIGNIFICANT ALTERATIONS TO HOW WE PRESENTED THIS. BUT I JUST WANT YOU REMEMBER REMIND YOU THAT THIS FINAL CHAPTER ESPECIALLY IN TERMS OF THE MATRIX IS REALLY COMPILING THE STORY THAT'S GOING ON WITHIN EACH OF THE OTHER NINE.

ALL RIGHT. SO AS WE ADDRESS ECONOMIC QUESTIONS YOU BROUGHT UP THIS EVENING. YES. THERE MAY BE SOME EDITS IN ORDER PRIORITIZATION, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE IN THAT FINAL LIST WITHIN THIS PROPERTY CHAPTER.

BUT THERE'S ALSO WITHIN THIS CHAPTER I WANT TO REMIND FOLKS THAT THE UPFRONT PIECE WHICH TALKS ABOUT THE MANAGEMENT AND MONITORING YOU KNOW, AS KEVIN POINTS OUT THE STRAT PLAN WITH CAP CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLANNING THAT'S ONGOING. HOW DO YOU START TO INSTITUTIONALIZE THIS WORK AND IN REGULARIZE THE PLANNING THAT WOULD ACTIVATE IT LONG TERM?

>> SHOULD WE BE? SHOULD WE BE TALKING ABOUT THE LAPSE PLAN HERE OR ANY OF THE

OTHER ONES? >> AND I'M KIND OF LOOKING AT KEVIN FOR YOUR INPUT ON THAT.

>> SO KIND OF A REMINDER FOR THE PRIORITY INVESTMENT BAG OR ASSET IS THE PRIORITY INVESTMENT CHAPTER AND I JUST PULLING THIS FROM THE EXISTING ONE ADDRESS THE LIKELY FEDERAL STATE LOCAL FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE FACILITIES DURING THE NEXT 10 YEARS RECOMMENDS THE PROJECTS FOR EXPENDITURE OF THOSE DURING THE NEXT 10 YEARS FOR HEATED PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE FACILITIES SUCH AS WATER, SEWER, ROADS AND SCHOOLS.

SO YOU ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE FOR SOFTWARE LIMITED LOCAL GOVERNMENT SO WE CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH AND THAT'S WHY WE TALKED ABOUT THE FOCUS ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM.

THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN WORK WE CANNOT WORK ON SCHOOL FUNDING WHICH WE CANNOT WORK ON THE MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE ROADS. RIGHT NOW I THINK THAT WE CAN WE CAN DISCUSS IT, WE CAN REFERENCE IT AND SAY THAT WE'RE A PART OF IT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE A PART OF LANCE SO YOU KNOW, WE WE PROVIDE INPUT ON THAT. YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO WORK WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. HOWEVER, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN FUNDING CAN'T CONTROL WHAT THEY DO. SO YOU KNOW, WE WE DEFINITELY PUT SHIFT FOCUS, MAKE SURE WE'RE FOCUSING ON WHAT WHAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH AND THEN REFERENCE OTHER AGENCIES THAT

WE WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH THEM. >> AND THEN I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING IS I KNOW WE NEED TO FOCUS FIRST AND FOREMOST ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. BUT I'M I GUESS MY QUESTION WAS SHOULD WE BE REFERENCING IN THIS CHAPTER EVEN AS JUST A COUPLE OF PARAGRAPHS IN THAT THEME WORKING WITH OTHER AGENCIES WE WANT TO WORK WITH FLATS TO HELP ESTABLISH PRIORITIES THAT THAT HELP MEET THE NEEDS OF BLUFFTON WITHIN THE REGION AND WE WANT TO WORK WITH COG AND WE WANT TO WORK WITH, YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S RELEVANT TO PUT IN THIS

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BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WE SHOULD PAR I KNOW I'VE SAID MR. DUNCAN HAS SAID IT THE DIFFERENCE I THINK YOU'RE HEARING AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE I UNDERSTAND WHAT

YOU'RE SAYING. >> KEVIN , I DON'T I'M NOT ARGUING THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS WE CAN CONTROL. I THINK YOU'RE HEARING FROM A NUMBER OF US THAT WE WANT TO HAVE SOME MORE VERBIAGE IN THE PLAN THAT WE'RE GONNA WORK HARDER TO INFLUENCE THESE AND I KNOW YOU ARE DOING IT JUST BECAUSE YOU'VE EXPLAINED SOME OF IT TO US BUT TO CAPTURE AND SAY IT'S PART OF OUR PLAN IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO ME AND I THINK OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SAID THE SAME THING. SO I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY SHIFT IS YES, WE CONTROL CERTAIN THINGS. WE WANT TO BE DEMONSTRATIVE AND SAYING WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO INFLUENCE AND MAYBE FOR SOMEBODY ELSE.

BUT I AGREE WITH YOU MAYBE WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THIS IS NOT THE CHAPTER FOR THAT BECAUSE THIS CHAPTER IS SPECIFIC TO THE FUNDING THAT WE HAVE. BUT IN THAT VEIN I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SAYS THESE TYPES OF GOALS ARE KIND OF THE SUMMARY AT THE END OF EACH CHAPTER AND THEN IN DETAIL AND HERE'S KIND OF THE CONSOLIDATED LIST I THINK I WOULD STILL LIKE THERE TO BE SOME SORT OF EITHER SUMMARY OR OTHER STATEMENT THAT SO IT'S EASY TO FIND IN EACH CHAPTER WITHOUT HAVING TO READ THE ENTIRETY OF EVERY CHAPTER TO KIND OF HIT SOME BULLET

POINTS ON WHAT WE'VE DECIDED. >> THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE FACING ARE AND HOW WE WANT TO WHAT OUR GOALS ARE TO TRY TO WORK WITH OTHER AGENCIES. I JUST WANT THEM TO GET LOST.

AND SO THAT SOUNDS LIKE THIS ISN'T THE RIGHT CHAPTER FOR THEM.

BUT IS THERE ANOTHER WAY TO INCLUDE THAT INFORMATION IN THE BODY OF THE OTHER CHAPTERS AND POSSIBLY AT THE END OF THOSE CHAPTERS THAT IS SEPARATE FROM OUR FUNDING PRIORITIES?

>> THANK YOU. I THINK THERE'S TWO THINGS REALLY GRIGGS IN OUR LIVES THIS THERE'S THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT I THINK WE COULD DEFINITELY DO ONE COMMISSIONER, IS THIS SUMMARIZING AGAIN A POINT OF VIEW IN TERMS OF INFLUENCE, RIGHT GOALS, OBJECTIVES, WHATEVER THOSE MIGHT BE IN WORKING WITH YOUR PARTNERS, WHAT IS OUR POINT OF VIEW AS A TOWN? THE OTHER SIDE THAT I THINK I HEAR MR. COMMISSIONER DEALT WE'RE BRINGING UP IS THE IDEA OF OUR POINTS OF CONTACT OR THE SPECIFIC AGENCIES WE CAN WORK WITH THAT I THINK THIS CHAPTER MAY ACTUALLY BE A GOOD PLACE TO START TO POINT OUT WHERE THE GROUPS ARE GOING TO WORK WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRANSPORTATION AND WE WANT TO INFLUENCE CONVERSATIONS GOING ON THERE. WHO IS THE PRINCIPAL AGENCY ACTOR WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE. WHAT IS THE ANGLE OF ATTACK FOR THE TOWN? WHERE DO WE INTERACT NATURALLY? YEAH, I THINK WE COULD DO A BETTER JOB ESPECIALLY THAT FRONT END OF THIS. THIS IS KEVIN REED'S THE THE THE STATE PART OF THIS TRYING TO FIND ACCESS TO FUNDS OUTSIDE OF OUR OWN GENERAL FUND. RIGHT.

SO THAT'S FEDERAL STATE WHEREVER THAT MIGHT BE. WE COULD DO A BETTER JOB AND HERE I THINK OF PAINTING THAT PICTURE OF WHO ARE ALL THE ACTORS ON STAGE IN THIS.

AND AGAIN, WHAT WOULD BE OUR POINT OF CONTACT, YOUR POINT OF INFLUENCE WITH THEM? AND THE LAST PLAN AS A GREAT EXAMPLE THAT'S A REGULAR PROCESS THAT GOES ON.

IT'S REGIONAL NATURE. IT'S MONEY TO PROJECT CONVERSATIONS.

YOU GUYS ARE PART OF THAT. BUT YOU KNOW, GOING INTO THAT WITH A REAL STRATEGY THAT REFERENCES BACK TO THE COMP PLAN AND REFERENCES BACK TO THE ONGOING WORK YOU'RE DOING IN STRATEGIC PLANNING THAT'S GOING TO MAKE YOUR VOICE THAT MUCH MORE LOUD.

I SUPPOSE SO. >> I GUESS MY THOUGHT ON THIS ONE I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING FOR ALMOST LIKE AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY. THAT'S A GREAT YES.

WHICH CAN'T MAKE THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY TILL WE HAVE THE FULL DOCUMENT.

SO. SO I GUESS I TOTALLY GET IT. IS THIS THIS IS MY WORLD AND YES, I CAN AGREED THREE 300 SOMEWHAT PAGE DOCUMENT AND OBVIOUSLY BUT THE AVERAGE PERSON IS GOING TO LOOK AT IT LIKE WHAT S A PLUS? SO YES, I TOTALLY GET THAT.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS TO REMEMBER IS THAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CURRENT COMP PLAN AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THAT THERE IS THE CREATION SOLO WHICH IS THE SOUTHERN REGIONAL GROUP. IT'S MORE OF A THINK TANK. IT'S A GROUP THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY CHARTER AND THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY ANY POWER TO DO ANYTHING.

BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S A IT'S MONTHLY MEETING WITH ELECTED OFFICIALS BOTH FOR JASPER COUNTY AND THEY COME UP WITH THESE ISSUES AND THEN THEY'RE ADDRESSED IN THEM.

A GREAT EXAMPLE IS THE WE CALL THE SOLAR COASTAL WATER SWITCH THAT CAME ABOUT THROUGH SOLAR.

>> BUT IT'S ALL RIGHT ON A COUNTY WIDE LEVEL IMPLEMENTING A DOCUMENT THAT IS CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY WITH HOW YOU DEAL WITH STORMWATER SEPTIC .

THAT GROUP IS THERE WASN'T THERE BEFORE. SO YOU TYPE OUT THAT COORDINATING COMMUNICATION. THAT'S ONE OF THE AVENUES THAT WE USE CONSTANTLY TO BE ABLE TO

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SO. SO WHILE THEY'RE AUTHORITY BY WORKING TOGETHER THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH THROUGH THE MUNICIPALITIES AND THE COUNTIES.

AND IT'S A COLLECTIVE THINK. SO YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT THAT THAT PRIORITY INVESTMENT HAVING THAT GROUP THEN THAT COORDINATION AND COMMUNICATION IS IT'S GREAT DAD .

PART OF THIS CHAPTER, KEVIN , AS YOU POINT OUT KIND OF GETS INTO THE WHOLE ACT

OF GOVERNANCE. >> BRANDON EVERY COMMUNITY HAS A DIFFERENT ANGLE IN AND I THINK THE PROBLEM WITH THE STATE DOWN RULES IS I'VE SEEN THEM PLAY OUT IN COMP PLANNING VERSUS SIMILAR STATES. WORDS WERE LIBERALLY INTERPRETED IS IN GREENVILLE IS DIFFERENT THAN BLUFFTON AS BLUFFTON IS DIFFERENT THAN HILTON HEAD AND YOU ALL HAVE DIFFERENT WAYS OF DOING BUSINESS I GUESS. AND I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING HERE LOUD AND CLEAR I THINK IN THIS IS THAT WHILE WE MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT ANGLE AND IT NEEDS TO BE MADE CLEAR WHAT'S THE BEST WAY FOR US TO HAVE OUR VOICE BE HEARD.

SO I THINK THAT CAN BE MADE STRONGER IN THIS CHAPTER AND QUITE FRANKLY THROUGHOUT AND KEVIN'S RIGHT ABOUT THE EXACT SUMMARY THAT'S A PIECE OF FUNDAMENTAL PIECE OF THIS OBJECT THAT WILL BE COMPLETED AS SOON AS WE LOCK UP A VERSION 4.0 AND INSERTED IN THE PLAN AND ALSO SOMETHING CABINET CAN BE A PULL FOR YOU ALL TO USE FOR WHATEVER MEANS NECESSARY.

>> DO YOU THINK WE CAN GET A DRAFT EXECUTIVE SUMMARY AS PART OF 4.0 OR DO YOU THINK.

YES, SIR. >> I FEEL A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS DOCUMENT

NOW THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH IT. >> OF COURSE THAT'S BASED ON ACTUALLY SAYING YOU DO?

>> YES, SIR. DO YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND RELATED TO THE PRIORITY? AND AGAIN I I I PREFACE THIS WITH I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE GONNA BE RE LOOKING AT THE WORDING AND HOW THAT'S EXECUTED BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS NOT CLEAR TO ME AND THIS MAY BE SOMETHING THAT YOU THAT INFLUENCES HOW YOU MAKE CHANGES IS THIS UNDERSTANDING OF THESE PRIORITY LEVELS ARE THEY WITH. BY SECTOR ITSELF? YOU KNOW WHEN I WHEN I'M LOOKING AT ITS HIGH MEDIUM LOW IN REFERENCE WITHIN ITSELF OF THE CULTURE AND EXPORTATION ECONOMY OR DOES THIS LOOK AT OVERALL THE WHOLE STRUCTURE

OF EVERYTHING THAT'S HIGH PRIORITY REGARDLESS OF SECTOR? >> AND SO HOW IS YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION I HAVE IS IF I'M A REGULAR CITIZEN LOOKING AT THIS .

IS THAT WHERE IT IS? YOU KNOW THE HIGH PRIORITY OF TRANSPORTATION RELATE TO HIGH PRIORITY OF ECONOMY. ARE THEY ON THE SAME LEVEL OR ARE THEY ON DIFFERENT LEVELS? IS IS ITSELF REFERENCED OR IS IT OVERALL REFERENCES? ONE QUESTION I HAVE AND I'M NOT SAYING YOU HAVE TO ANSWER THAT NOW BUT A CLARIFICATION THAT IN THIS DOCUMENT WOULD BE I THINK USEFUL AGAIN ALL DEPENDS ON HOW YOU RESTRUCTURE THAT AND THEN IN TERMS OF HOUSE AND THERE'S

THAT CITIZEN COMPONENT IN TERMS OF HOW THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT. >> BUT FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT AND WHAT I'M GATHERING IS THEY'RE LOOKING AT WHAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY CAN CONTROL AND THAT'S WHERE THEY START IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY WHERE THEY START MOVING ON ACTION FOR THESE. AND SO SOME CLARIFICATION PERHAPS I'M MISUNDERSTANDING THAT WHICH CASE I DON'T MIND A CLARIFICATION ON THAT AND I INVITE BUT THE OTHER PIECE OF THAT IS IF THAT IS ASSUMING THAT'S THE CASE AND I THINK WE'VE ALREADY PROBABLY COVERED THIS A NUMBER OF TIMES MAKING ABUNDANTLY CLEAR WHICH OF THESE ITEMS ARE CONTROL VERSUS INFLUENCE BECAUSE I THINK THE WORD CHOICES ALLUDE TO IT.

BUT I THINK I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BOLD VERSUS NOT BOLD UNDERLINED STARRED LIKE THESE ARE WE CONTROL THESE ARE WHAT WE AND SOME REAL LAYMEN NOT LOOKING INTO IT.

AND IN VERY BIG DATA IT'S ACTUALLY GOOD AND YOU KNOW THAT MATRIX AND I MIGHT FIDDLE WITH THE WORDS A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS OF HOW WE WE MAKE THAT DISTINCTION BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A SPECTRUM. RIGHT. I MEAN THERE'S THAT WE WANT TO GET INTO BUT THE OTHER QUESTION I GUESS QUICKLY BACK TO MR. DUNCAN YOU BRING UP.

DO YOU THINK IT'S HELPFUL TO EVEN HAVE THE COLUMN ON PRIORITIZATION? I'LL ASK THAT QUESTION TO YOU ALL DIRECTLY HERE IS THAT IS THAT OPEN UP A CAN OF WORMS THAT WE DON'T EVEN NEED TO OPEN? I MEAN IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD USE TYPICALLY IT IS IN KIND OF INFORMING THAT ONGOING WORK PLANNING AND THIS IS WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC IN TERMS OF GETTING STARTED OR ACTUALLY IT MAKES SENSE TO START HERE. BUT IF CAUSES MORE PROBLEMS THAN IT SOLVES.

I DON'T WANT TO HAVE THAT THE DOCUMENT DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE, ANY STRONG OPINIONS

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SURE. BUT THAT'S THAT'S JUST ONE OPINION.

>> I THINK IT INFLUENCES WHAT BATTLES YOU'RE PICKING FISHERY WHERE TO GO.

YEAH. YEAH, RIGHT. I THINK IT HELPED BETTER DEFINE

IT THOUGH. >> KEYWORD BETTER DEFINE WE MEAN BY THIS TERM.

AND I'M GONNA BE A LITTLE NIT PICKY ON ONE WORD I'VE HEARD I'VE HEARD US INCLUDING ME USE TONIGHT AS WHEN WE SAY WE WANT TO INFLUENCE OTHER ENTITIES AGAIN I MEAN NIT PICKY BUT I ALMOST WONDER IF WE NEED TO FIND A DIFFERENT WORD BECAUSE THAT WORD TO ME CONNOTES ALMOST STRONG ARMING TO PARTNER WITH IS NOT NECESSARILY THE RIGHT WORD BUT SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT

SOFTER I THINK WOULD HELP. >> AND YOU TOLD US NOT TO DO PUNCTUATION STUFF SO I'M GONNA LEAVE THAT AT PROBABLY A GOOD POINT TO BREAK TO SEE IF ANYBODY IN THE GALLERY OUT HERE

WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. >> SHARE SOME THOUGHTS ON ANY OF THIS.

THOUGHT BRIAN THIS BUT MAYBE WE'LL GIVE IT A SHOT. WHERE SHE WORKED THIRTY FIVE MINUTES AWAY. ANDREW KIEL TWENTY TWO TRAILERS .

AND IT KIND OF COMES ON YOUR LAST COMMENT ABOUT INFLUENCE. THE TOWN COUNCIL MEETING LAST NIGHT, COUNCILMAN BROWN MENTIONED THAT HE WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED ABOUT THE GREEN SPACE TAX FIND WHATEVER YOU WOULD SAY . WHAT IS BROWN?

>> SO YEAH. BROWN I HAVE SOME WORDS. SORRY.

OH NO I'LL GIVE THEM A FEW. SHERROD BROWN, MANY OTHER COMMENTS.

>> OH, OKAY. ANYHOW I GOT THE IMPRESSION THAT HE WAS PRETTY SURPRISED THAT THIS POTENTIAL TAX WAS PASSED. IT WAS ALMOST LIKE BLUFFTON IS OUT OF THE LOOP WITH BEAUFORT IN SITTING IN MEETINGS OTHER MEETINGS IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF CONFLICT BETWEEN BEAUFORT COUNTY AND BLUFFTON. AND YOU KNOW, YOU SAID INFLUENCE IS A STRONG WORD. BLUFFTON IS PRETTY MUCH. I MEAN I DON'T KNOW ABOUT HILTON HEAD. I REALLY HAVEN'T. NOBODY EVER BRINGS UP HILTON HEAD. HILTON HEAD. ALMOST SEEMS LIKE IT'S A SEPARATE TOURIST AREA THAT YOU KNOW IS NOT GROWING LIKE WE'RE GROWING ANYMORE.

IT'S DEVELOPED OUT FOR THE MOST PART. I THINK BLUFFTON IS THE GROWING AREA AND IT'S ALMOST BECOME A CITY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER IF YOU DEFINE CITY BY 50000 RESIDENTS DEPENDING ON HOW YOU FIGURE OUT OUR POPULATION, WE MIGHT BE AT 50000 A YEAR OR TWO. AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE THE OR THE LOW MAN ON THE TOTEM POLE AROUND HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE CASE . I HAVEN'T BEEN INVOLVED. BUT YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE WE

NEED TO EXERT MORE INFLUENCE IN ALL AREAS. >> I THINK THAT'S I THINK THAT'S OUR CONCERN UP HERE IS WE DO WANT TO WHEN WE WERE 700 PEOPLE WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE MUCH SEAT AT THE TABLE. OK. AND THAT'S THAT'S CHANGED.

COUNTY COUNCIL DISTRICTS AND SCHOOL DISTRICTS HAVE CHANGED. IT USED TO BE THE DIVIDING LINE IN THIS COUNTY GEOGRAPHICALLY, GEOGRAPHICALLY EVERYONE NOT ANY OTHER IS THE BROAD RIVER.

AND THERE HAD ALWAYS BEEN SIX SEATS NORTH OF THE BROAD AND FIVE SEAT SOUTH OF THE BROAD THAT JUST SHIFTED. SO IT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING TO SEE THE DYNAMIC.

BUT TO SPEAK AND YOU HIT ON SOMETHING THAT I'LL BE NICE THE COUNTY COUNCIL APPOINTED A COMMISSION TO STUDY A PENNY SALES TAX WITH I BELIEVE IT WAS 15 PEOPLE ON THAT COMMISSION.

THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON, THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD TOWN OF PORT ROAD AND SO ON ALL HAD THEIR OWN APPOINTEES. AND THEN EACH COUNTY COUNCIL MEMBER HAD THEIR OWN APPOINTEE.

I WAS THE APPOINTEE FOR THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON. EVERY TUESDAY NIGHT FOR THREE, FOUR HOURS FOR 17 WEEKS IN A ROW WE ALL GOT INTO THAT AND WE HASHED OUT WHAT WOULD BE GOOD TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS, WHAT WOULD BE GOOD GREEN SPACE, WHAT WE GOOD ALL THIS.

WE CAME UP WITH WHAT WE ALL THOUGHT IT WAS A UNANIMOUS VOTE WAS A GREAT PLAN.

WE WORKED TOGETHER AS AN ENTIRE COUNTY TO COME UP WITH THIS PENNY SALES TAX PLAN AND THE

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AND SO THAT'S WHY I BELIEVE WHY COUNCILMAN WOOD WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED BECAUSE HE KNEW ABOUT THE OTHER. AND THIS THIS ONE JUST KIND OF CAME OUT A IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO BUT THEN CHARLIE, WHAT IF THAT'S THE CASE? WHY ISN'T INFLUENCED THE RIGHT WORD SINCE WE'RE THE MUNICIPALITY THAT GROWING THE FASTEST BECAUSE WE MIGHT NOT GET OUR SHARE TO ME. AND YOU KNOW MY JOB I'M YEAH I'M SALES NEGOTIATION AND SO ON. TO ME INFLUENCE TELLS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CONVERSATION ALMOST GETS THEM ON THE DEFENSIVE. YOU'RE COMING HERE TO INFLUENCE ME? WELL, WAIT A MINUTE. YOU'RE SAYING I'M NOT GOOD ENOUGH? I HAVE TO. SO THAT THAT'S MY THOUGHT PROCESS INFLUENCE MAYBE THE RIGHT WORD BUT THAT'S JUST ADVOCATING.

WELL, I THINK WE NEED TO COME UP WITH OUR PRIORITIES TO ADVOCATE FOR THAT MATTER.

THAT'D BE PERFECT. OKAY. BUT THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT. THE HISTORY HAS ALWAYS BEEN NORTH OF THE BORDER AND WE'RE SOUTH OF THAD. WE ALWAYS GO WHERE THEY ARE. THESE WE ARE.

AND EVEN THOUGH WE'RE GROWING THE FASTEST. SO THERE HAS TO BE SOME BEHIND

THE WORD RG. >> YEAH AND WE'RE GENERALLY IN THE MOST REVENUE NOW.

>> I MEAN I JUST LOOKED UP BEAUFORT COUNTY'S BUDGET IS A HUNDRED FORTY TWO MILLION BLUFFTON 60 MILLION. ACTUALLY I THINK HILTON HAD SOME MONTHS BUT I GUESS WE'RE CLOSE. YEAH MAKES SENSE. BUT THEN TO EXPAND ON IT KEVIN MENTIONED THIS EARLIER. YOU KNOW WE'RE A LIMITED LIMITED SERVICES SERVICES

GOVERNMENT. >> STOP THINKING THAT WAY. I MEAN IT'S GETTING TO THE POINT THAT YOU KNOW, IT AND IT SEEMS LIKE I HAVEN'T BEEN AROUND THIS VERY OFTEN.

I'VE SAT IN TWO MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, COME TO SOME OF THESE WELL I'M GONNA I'M GONNA I'M

GONNA PAUSE YOU THERE. >> OKAY. AND I'M GONNA STRONGLY SUGGEST THERE ARE AND KEVIN CAN GET YOU THIS INFO AND I CAN GET THIS INFO ON SOME OF OTHERS.

THERE ARE GOVERNMENT TRAINING CLASSES WHERE YOU LEARN THE STRUCTURE OF TOWN GOVERNMENT COUNTY GOVERNMENTS IN SOUTH CAROLINA WHAT THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS ARE.

YOU KNOW THERE'S A STRONG MAYOR FORM. THERE'S WHAT MAYOR COUNCIL FORM WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE AND THEN THERE'S A THIRD FORM I'M JUST NOT THINKING OF BUT IT HELPS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO. AND YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S VERY INTERESTING AND IT'S WELL I APPRECIATE THAT AND I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT IT BUT YOU KNOW, THINGS ARE CHANGED AND I THINK IT'S ALMOST LIKE EVERYTHING'S BECOME A BIT MORE AGGRESSIVE BECAUSE I JUST GET THE IMPRESSION THAT WE'RE NOT OR TOO PASSIVE AND MAYBE THAT'S

NOT THE CASE. >> I DON'T KNOW. I JUST MY IMPRESSION I HEAR YOU AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HOPEFULLY YOU GO THROUGH SOME OF THIS AND YOUR OPINIONS AFTER I WILL TELL YOU THIS MUCH MY OPINION IF WE WEREN'T AGGRESSIVE WE WOULD STILL BE ONE SQUARE MILE.

>> WE WE AND I'M I'M SAYING THE COLLECTIVE WE NOT ME AS A PART OF IT BUT WE ANNEXED ALL OF THIS LAND BECAUSE WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE CONTROL OF THE LAND AND WHAT WOULD

HAPPEN AND COULD IT BE BETTER? >> YEAH. IS IT BETTER THAN WHAT IT PROBABLY WOULD'VE BEEN? I SAY YEAH BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT REALLY IMPRESSES ME IS THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING UP HERE.

I MEAN HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN HERE? I'VE BEEN HERE LONGEST AT A YEAR AND A HALF. ISH PLUS. MM HMM.

AND THEN HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN IN THE TOWN? I MEAN I BOUGHT MY HOUSE FROM TWO THOUSAND AND THIRTEEN. YEAH. AND EVERYBODY ELSE IS PROBABLY HERE AND YOU KNOW, NOT LONG OH SAY I WORK FOR THE LAND. I MEAN I'VE LIVED HERE SINCE 2005. DO NOT THINK THAT YOU GUYS ARE I THINK I THINK YOU'RE APPROPRIATELY AGGRESSIVE. I THINK YOU GUYS ASK A LOT QUESTIONS.

I JUST AT THE TOWN COUNCIL MEETINGS HAVE NOT GOTTEN THE SAME I GUESS INTERACTION FROM THE TOWN COUNCIL WITH ON CERTAIN THINGS. I DON'T I MEAN I JUST IT'S JUST

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>> BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT'S PART OF WHAT IT IS IS THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A WORKSHOP GOING ON AND WHEN IT'S A FORMAL MEETING WE HAVE A STRUCTURE WE HAVE TO FOLLOW.

SO EVEN THOUGH WE MAY BE SITTING UP HERE OR COUNCIL MAY BE SITTING UP HERE GOING.

YES, WE AGREE WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HEAR THAT FROM US BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE IMPARTIAL. WE HAVE TO.

BUT YEAH, KEVIN CAN TELL YOU THERE WAS A POINT IN TIME HERE, KEVIN , WHEN IT WAS PULLING TEETH TO GET PEOPLE TO EVEN APPLY TO BE ON A COMMISSION AND WHAT WAS THAT TWO YEARS AGO

LAST WEEK? >> YEAH, WAS WE ARE OFF SUBJECT.

DID WE HAVE ANY MORE COMMENTS? DID YOU WANT TO SHARE THIS? I'M LIKE I SAID BEFORE AND I THINK I WOULD YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO DO PUBLICIZED LIKE NOW THIS REPORT'S GOING TO BE FINALIZED AND BE OUT THERE WHATEVER EXTRA YOU CAN DO.

I KNOW I KNOW SOMETIMES YOU DON'T WANT DO YOU SAY OH PLEASE DON'T WANT TO CHANGE ANYTHING YOU GET BUT PEOPLE NEED TO GET MORE INVOLVED. THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THIS.

AND IT'S NOT ONLY TO INFLUENCE OK, I WANT THIS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S TO REALLY UNDERSTAND FALL DOWN THE BOTTOM BECAUSE IT IS SO NEW AND IT'S CHANGED SO MUCH. TO GIVE THEM MORE INFORMATION. WELL, I'LL TELL YOU THERE'S SOME CERTAIN PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE HERE MIGHT CRINGE AT THIS BUT THE SECOND THE FINAL DRAFT IS RELEASED I PLAN ON PUTTING THE NEXT DOOR POST ON THERE SO PEOPLE CAN LOOK AT IT AND THEY CRINGE BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE COMMENTS THAT SOMETIMES COME ON NEXT DOOR BUT THAT IS YES. YOU KNOW SO THE SEVENTH KEVIN KYLE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE

LOOKING AT. >> THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT.

SO I'D LIKE TO CONSOLIDATE YOUR 900 PLUS COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, IN SUE THIS FOR THIS NEXT VERSION FOR YOU ALL TO REVIEW AND REALLY ADDRESS IT. OF A SUBSTANTIAL SUBJECTIVE AND SIMPLE. HAVE ALL THOSE THINGS FULLY LIFTED UP AND THE LAST OF COURSE YOU WOULD THINK ABOUT THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY AND THIS THIS CLOSING CHAPTER.

WELL, KIND OF THE BREADING YOU KNOW ON THIS ON THE SANDWICH COMMISSIONERS ANY OTHER

COMMENTS, THOUGHTS YOU WANT TO WRAP IT UP FOR US? >> YEAH.

>> I CAN'T LET SANDWICH BE MY FINAL WORD HERE. NO, I JUST I JUST REALLY, REALLY WANT TO THANK YOU ALL. I MEAN COMMISSIONERS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC STAFF FOR THIS EXTRA TIME. LIKE I MENTIONED IT, YOU DON'T YOU DON'T GET.

I WISH YOU DID. WE DON'T GET THIS LEVEL OF OF ABI AND IN A CONVERSATION IN MOST COMMUNITIES. SO TO ME THIS SHOWS JUST HOW MUCH YOU ALL CARE ABOUT THIS PLACE AND IT'S QUITE HONESTLY IT'S VERY REFRESHING AND I HOPE YOU RESPECT AND UNDERSTAND AND SEE JUST HOW COMMITTED I AM AND WE ARE DELIVERING YOU A HIGH QUALITY AND RESPONSIVE PRODUCT AT THE END OF THE DAY. THIS IS IMPORTANT. I DON'T TAKE THAT FOR GRANTED BUT I THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY AND I WANT TO MENTION TO YOU IF YOU HAVE FOLLOW QUESTIONS, THOUGHTS, IDEAS, EPIPHANIES THAT ARISE OUT OF THIS EVENING OR ANY OF THESE TALKS. FEEL FREE TO EMAIL ME OR EVEN TO CALL AT ANY POINT.

WE'LL CONTINUE TO BUILD THIS PROJECT TOGETHER. CHARLOTTE KEVIN DILLON,

COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> AND.

I DO HAVE TO TELL YOU MY AND MY LIMITED WHAT I FEEL IS LIMITED TIME IN GOVERNMENT ON COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS. I HAVE RARELY SEEN THIS LEVEL OF COMMITMENT TO TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT SAY WE NEED TO DIG DEEPER INTO THIS INSTEAD OF JUST RUBBER STAMPING. IT IS RARE AND YOU COUPLE THAT WITH THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM HAVE BEEN HERE THAT'S EVEN MORE RARE TO HAVE A CARE AND A CONCERN FOR A COMMUNITY THAT YOU'VE MORE OR LESS JUST BECOME A PART OF .

I MEAN I'VE BEEN HERE 30 YEARS AND I FEEL LIKE I'VE JUST BECOME A PART OF THIS COMMUNITY . BUT I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ALL HAVE HAVE COMMITTED TO DOING

THIS AND I APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK. >> AND KEVIN AND CHARLOTTE, I KNOW WE FRUSTRATE THE OUT OF YOU SOMETIMES BUT WE APPRECIATE YOU AND EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE WITH IT. AND I THINK I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A MUCH BETTER DOCUMENT BECAUSE OF THE WHOLE PROCESS AND I AM GLAD YOU'RE ALL GOING TO GET TO SEE YOUR FAMILIES

AGAIN JUST LIKE WE ARE. >> BUT I'D LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN MOTION THAT WE ADJOURN SECOND

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.