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[I. CALL TO ORDER]
THURSDAY, AUGUST 4TH, 4:30 PM.SPECIAL PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO DISCUSS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ELEMENTS, RESILIENCE, AND NATURAL RESOURCES TO ORDER.
UH, COULD I GET A ROLL CALL PLEASE? VICE CHAIRMAN.
CHARLIE, WHAT MORE RICH DELCOR COMMISSIONER JIM FLYNN COMMISSIONER.
COMMISSIONER JASON STEWART, CHAIRMAN AMANDA DENMARK COMMISSIONER, KATHLEEN DUNKIN.
[III. NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT]
NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL NOT HEAR NEW ITEMS AFTER 9:30 PM UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS, PRESENT ITEMS, WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD BEFORE 9:30 PM MAY BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OR AN ADDITIONAL MEETING DATE AS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS.[IV. NOTICE REGARDING PUBLIC COMMENTS*]
UH, NO NOTICE REGARDING PUBLIC COMMENTS, EVERY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO IS RECOGNIZED TO SPEAK SHALL PLEASE ADDRESS THE CHAIRPERSON.AND IN SPEAKING AVOID DISRESPECT TO THE COMMISSION, TOWN STAFF AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE MEETING, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
WHEN SPEAKING FOR THE RECORD, OFFICIALLY COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.
WE'VE BEEN VERY LENIENT DURING THIS PROCESS WITH THAT, BECAUSE THIS IS MORE OF A WORKSHOP, MORE INFORMAL, BUT IF IN THE INTEREST OF TIME WE HAVE TO MAKE IT MORE SUCCINCT.
WELL, WE'LL DEAL WITH THAT WHEN IT HAPPENS.
[V. ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA]
UM, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE AGENDA? SO MOVED SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.UM, THERE WERE NO MINUTES TO APPROVE FOR THE RECORD.
UM, KATHLEEN DUNKIN IS HERE NOW.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS? NOT ON THE AGENDA.
UM, IS THERE ANY OLD BUSINESS SEEING
[IX. 1. Workshop to Discuss the Natural Resources and Resiliency Elements for Blueprint Bluffton, an Update Long-range Comprehensive Plan for the Town of Bluffton – Charlotte Moore, Principal Planner]
AS THERE'S NONE NEW BUSINESS? UH, WE HAVE THE WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS THE NATURAL RESOURCES AND RESILIENCY ELEMENTS FOR THE BLUEPRINT, BLUFFTON AND UPDATE LONG RANGE, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON AND CHARLOTTE, DID YOU WANT TO, WE'LL JUST DEFER TO KYLE.IF YOU WANT TO BRING US THROUGH THE BEGINNING OF IT.
AND THEN AS WE GET TO THE ELEMENTS OF THAT SOUNDS GREAT.
APPRECIATE YOU JOINING US HERE FOR THIS FOURTH SESSION OF FIVE WORKSHOPS THAT WE'VE GOT PLANNED HERE TO COVER OUR WHEEL OF TOPICS.
SO, UH, FOR THE COMMISSIONERS AND FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT WERE IN THE AUDIENCE, OR MAYBE TUNED IN ONLINE OR OUR DISCUSSION, UH, EARLIER THIS WEEK ON TUESDAY, WE TALKED ABOUT LAND USE AND HOUSING APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WERE SHARED THERE.
AS I MENTIONED DURING THAT MEETING AND WE'RE CONTINUALLY, UH, TAKING THIS FEEDBACK AND WORKING IT INTO OUR REVISION SCHEDULE AND PLANNING FOR HOW WE ADDRESS THESE, UH, IDEAS, UH, ADDITIONS, UM, IN A ROLLING WAY.
UH, SO FOR TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF TOPICS ON DECK THAT ARE, ARE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY VERY CRITICAL, UH, TO YOUR COMMUNITY AND VERY IMPORTANT, UH, NOT JUST TO THE QUALITY OF PLACE, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, QUALITY OF LIFE FOR RESIDENTS, UH, UH, BE THEY HUMAN BEINGS OR WILDLIFE FOR THAT MATTER.
WE WANT TO BE TALKING ABOUT NATURAL RESOURCES, UH, AND A BRAND NEW TOPIC OF WORK FOR COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING.
UM, AS PART AS THIS ROUND, WHICH IS THE RESILIENCE OR RESILIENCY, UH, TOPICS.
SO I'M GOING TO QUICKLY SHARE A SCREEN HERE.
UM, JUST POP THAT AGENDA UP ONE MORE TIME AND GET INTO OUR, AS WE HAVE BEEN, UM, SOME THOUGHTS ON, UH, COMMENTS THAT I'VE RECEIVED THUS FAR, UH, EITHER IT'S FROM, UH, FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR FROM OTHER STAFF OR, UH, OTHER BODIES AROUND, UM, UH, THE TOWN.
SO AGAIN, PURPOSE TODAY, UH, DISCUSS SOME OF THESE COMMENTS, CONCERNS, IDEAS, UH, THAT YOU HAVE COMMISSIONERS AS WELL AS INVITED STAKEHOLDERS, UH, AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
I THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE AND BEING PART AND CONTRIBUTING TO THIS IMPORTANT CONVERSATION.
UH, AND ULTIMATELY I THINK FOR THIS EVENING, LIKE ALL OF OUR OTHER WORKSHOPS, WE REALLY WANT TO DETERMINE A PATHWAY, UH, YOU KNOW, FORWARD HERE IN, IN A, IN A SCHEDULE OF, OF THOUGHTS AND REVISIONS THAT WE CAN BE MAKING TO MOVE THIS CLOSER, UH, TO, TO WHERE YOU ALL WOULD LIKE EACH OF THESE CHAPTERS TO BE.
SO, AND A QUICK NOTE FROM, UH, THE, UH, COMMISSIONER EARLIER HERE, I ACTUALLY LIKE TO INVERT THE ORDER HERE AND BEGIN OUR DISCUSSION HERE, TALKING ABOUT NATURAL RESOURCES TONIGHT.
BUT WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS FOR EACH OF THESE, I'LL PROVIDE A QUICK SUMMARY OF WHAT I'VE HEARD IN YOUR FEEDBACK IN TERMS OF
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A RESONANT OR FREQUENT COMMENTS BROKEN DOWN INTO A COUPLE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.UH, I'D LOVE TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION, UH, AROUND EACH OF OUR TWO TOPICS HERE TONIGHT.
AND I THINK TOGETHER THINK ABOUT WHAT'S THE RIGHT PATHWAY, UM, UH, FOR, FOR, FOR ANY OF THESE, UH, REVISIONS ADDITIONS, WHATEVER THEY MAY BE BEFORE WE JUMPED IN.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ALSO SAY THAT A QUICK REMINDER, UM, AUGUST 10TH NEXT WEEK, UH, I THINK IT'S WEDNESDAY, WEDNESDAY, UH, WE WILL HAVE OUR, UH, OUR FINAL SESSION OF THE FIVE FOCUSING ON A, A VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC HERE, ECONOMICS AND OUR, UH, CAPSTONE PIECE, WHICH IS THE PRIORITY INVESTMENTS CHAPTER OR THE KIND OF THE IMPLEMENTATION SECTION, YOU KNOW, OF THIS WORK, UH, BEFORE I PROCEED.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING? I JUST, I JUST HAVE TWO QUICK COMMENTS, FIRST OF ALL.
UM, I ACTUALLY SAID THAT BACKWARDS EARLIER.
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO CAMP MOST OF THE TIME ON RESILIENCY BECAUSE THAT DEALS WITH OUR, OUR NATURAL WATERSHED, OUR RIVERS AND SO ON, BUT, UM, WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES, BUT, UM, NUMBER TWO, JUST, WE WERE HAVING A DISCUSSION BEFOREHAND.
UM, THE, THE WORKSHOPS THAT WE HAD TWO WEEKS AGO, HOW ARE THE REWRITES OF THOSE COMING? BECAUSE, UM, WE'RE CONCERNED THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE HANDED ALL OF THIS THREE OR FOUR DAYS BEFORE THE MEETING ON THE 17TH AND HAVE TO GO THROUGH FIVE SECTIONS.
AND, UH, EVEN UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE MIGHT START SEEING SOME OF THESE REWRITES OF CHAPTERS THAT WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH, SO WE CAN GO THROUGH THEM AGAIN AS REVISED.
I APPRECIATE THAT COMMENT AND WE WILL BEGIN RESILIENCY.
UM, SO IN TERMS OF, UM, THE REVISION, YES, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING THROUGH CHAPTERS AS THE, AS THESE COMMENTS HAVE COME UP AND WORKING HARD TO GET YOU A REVISED COPIES OF EACH OF THOSE.
I'LL LET STAFF SPEAK TO THE SPECIFICS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE SCHEDULE HERE, UH, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD.
UH, I DO HAVE SOME CONCERN GIVEN THAT OUR FINAL TOPIC, YOU KNOW, WILL OCCUR ON AUGUST 10TH AND IT CONTAINS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF COMMENTS AND, UH, BEING ABLE TO GET THAT TURNED AROUND, UH, WITH ENOUGH TIME FOR YOU ALL, TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW THAT, UH, WITH THE 17TH, BUT WE CAN TALK SPECIFICS ON, ON THAT SCHEDULE AT STAFF, YOU KNOW, REPRESENT, UM, THAT WE MOVE FORWARD.
WE'RE WORKING HARD TO, TO ADDRESS EACH OF THOSE THINGS AGAIN, IN A ROLLING WAY.
I'M NOT GOING TO WAIT UNTIL NEXT WEEK, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, TO GET THESE THINGS, UH, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSED AND NAIL DOWN.
JUST, JUST NOTE THAT IT'S AN ITEM OF, UH, UM, I DON'T EVEN WANT TO SAY CONCERN, BUT WE'RE VERY INTERESTED TO START SEEING SOME OF THESE REVISIONS AS SOON AS Y'ALL CAN PROVIDE THEM.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, GO AHEAD.
WELL, WE'LL BEGIN OUR DISCUSSION THIS EVENING, UH, IN A, IN A NEW CHAPTER, UM, HERE AS PART OF OUR WHEEL, OR, YOU KNOW, OUR 10, UM, UH, WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THIS IDEA OF RESILIENCE, RESILIENCY, WHICHEVER WORD YOU, UH, WOULD LIKE TO USE.
REMEMBER WE'VE GOT, UM, THESE THREE, UH, UH, UH, SECTIONS OF, OF COMMENTS THAT, UH, WE HAVE TRYING TO SUMMARIZE WITHIN THIS DOCUMENT.
WE TALK ABOUT SUBSTANTIAL, UH, SUBJECTIVE.
AND THEN, AND THEN SIMPLE, UM, SORRY TO KEEP, UH, DEFINE THESE.
JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE ANYONE THAT'S TUNING IN IS WELL AWARE OF WHAT WE MEAN BY THESE TERMS BREAK QUICKLY.
SIMPLE MEANS NOT NECESSARILY IT'S SPELLING YOUR GRAMMAR, THAT'S, THAT'S BEYOND SIMPLE, BUT I THINK WHAT WE TALK ABOUT HERE ARE EDITS OR SUGGESTIONS HAVE BEEN MADE BY, BY COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
AND, UH, WE WE'RE PLANNING TO GO AHEAD AND JUST PICK UP THOSE EDITS.
WE ARE INDEED DOING THAT RIGHT NOW.
UH, SUBJECTIVE PIECES, I THINK, IS AN AREA WHERE SOME DISCUSSION TONIGHT WILL BE VERY HELPFUL.
UH, BUT ALSO WORKING WITH STAFF TO DETERMINE HOW WE, UM, YOU KNOW, ARTICULATE SOME, UH, COLLECTION OF COMMENTS OR SINGLE COMMENTS, UH, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE DRAFT, HOW THEY ARE, UH, INDEED ADDRESS.
AND THEN LASTLY, I I'D LOVE JUST TO START OFF OUR CONVERSATION THIS EVENING AND THIS CHAPTER HAS TO DO WITH THE SUBSTANTIAL PIECES.
SO AREAS WHERE YOU ALL HAVE BROUGHT FORWARD SOME THOUGHTS, IDEAS, UH, ABOUT HOW TO EXPAND, UH, CONNECT OR, UM, UH, UH, INDEED, UH, MAKE CLEARER SOME OF THE THOUGHTS THAT ARE GOING ON WITHIN THE CHAPTER AS IS EXISTS, RIGHT? SO I'LL, I'LL QUICKLY BEGIN HERE AND THEN I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN, YOU KNOW, JUST OPENING UP SOME CONVERSATION ON THIS TOPIC.
IT'S, IT'S VERY INTERESTING, AS YOU ALL KNOW, GIVEN WHERE YOU SIT, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE WORLD AND, UM, WHAT THE NEXT 10, UH, 10 YEARS LEADING, UH, IN THE TOWN.
SO AS WE WALKED THROUGH THIS AND REMEMBER, I GET PRACTICE SUMMARY ON WHAT I HEARD THROUGH, UH, THROUGH YOUR COMMENTS.
UM, FIRST I THINK THE IDEA OF GENERALLY EXPANDING REFERENCES SPECIFICALLY TO STORM WATER MANAGEMENT THROUGHOUT THIS CHAPTER ARE CRITICALLY IMPORTANT, SERIOUS TAKE THAT NOTE, I THINK WITHIN THIS, NOT JUST IN TERMS OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THE SYSTEM, BUT ALSO THE, THE, UM, UH, THIS SURGE POTENTIAL WITH, UH, WHETHER IT IS LARGE WATER EVENTS, HURRICANE, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE THINKING ABOUT AND PRESENTING THAT SYSTEM IN A MORE ROBUST,
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A SET OF ANALYSIS.YOU REMEMBER THAT IN THE COMMUNITY FACILITIES CHAPTER, WE ALSO DISCUSSED, UH, EXPANDING REFERENCES TO THAT STORM WATER, UH, SYSTEM IN THAT SECTION.
BUT THIS IS AN AREA WHERE I THINK YOU'LL FIND WITH A LOT OF THIS CHAPTER.
THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT OVERLAP BETWEEN TOPICS HERE AND HOW THEY MAY BE PRESENTED OR INTRODUCED MAYBE, UH, IN OTHER SECTIONS OF THE PLAN.
AND ADDITIONALLY, RELATED TO THAT, UH, WETLAND INFORMATION AND INVENTORY, UH, IN THIS SECTION, UH, DO NEED TO BE EXPANDED.
AND WITH THE PURPOSE, WITH THE INTENT HERE, I THINK OF, OF RELATING HOW THIS SYSTEM RELATES TO YOUR OVERALL RESILIENCE AND SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO, UM, UH, THE, IN THIS CASE, NATURAL DISASTER OR, UH, OTHER MITIGATION PIECES.
BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT SECTION OF THIS IS, IS EXPANDED, UM, IN THE NEXT VERSION, UM, IT, IN TERMS OF OUR STORM SURGE, WE GET A STORM SURGE MAP SERIES AND THIS, AND THIS WOULD TYPICALLY BE PLACED INTO THE SIMPLE CATEGORY.
BUT WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE IS THAT THIS MAP SERIES, UH, IS QUITE CLEAR IN TERMS OF WHAT IT MEANS, AND ALSO WHAT IT DOES NOT MEAN.
I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT STORM SURGE MAPS, IT'S EASY TO GO RIGHT TO YOUR HOME AND SAY I'M ON HIGH GROUND OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WITHIN THIS PRESENTATION, ESPECIALLY IN THIS, IN THIS TOPIC, THAT IT'S CLEAR WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING, UH, AND THEN WHAT THIS MEANS IN TERMS OF, UH, OTHER TRENDS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW, THIS IS AN AREA THAT I THINK WE SHOULD TRY TO SEEK SOME OVERLAP AND OTHER TOPICS.
AND INDEED SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED, UH, RELATED TO THIS, UH, POINTED IN THAT DIRECTION, UM, AS WELL, UM, IN TERMS OF, UH, POSITIONING THE NARRATIVE, I THINK THERE WAS A NUMBER OF COMMENTS THAT I REALLY APPRECIATED HERE ABOUT TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING IN THIS SECTION REALLY HITS ON, YOU KNOW, IDEAS AND PRIORITIES THAT THE COMMUNITY, AS THEY'VE BEEN DEMONSTRATED THROUGH PAST COMMENTS AND ENGAGEMENT.
AND WE THINK ABOUT THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE CANOPY COVER, UM, YOU KNOW, ACCESS TO, UH, YOU KNOW, ACCESS TO ANY OF THESE BLUE OR GREEN ASSETS THAT ARE OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY, WATER QUALITY, AIR QUALITY.
UM, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE, AND I, I CERTAINLY TAKE THIS NOTE SERIOUSLY THAT WE'RE POSITIONING THIS NARRATIVE IN A WAY THAT IS REALLY NOT JUST RELATABLE, BUT ALSO I THINK IT HITS BACK DIRECTLY ON THE COMMENTS FROM THE ENGAGEMENT THAT WE'VE HEARD, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE WORK.
AND, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONALLY, THE LAST PIECE HERE, AND I'LL, I'LL BE QUIET AFTER THIS IS THE IDEA OF CLARIFYING THIS RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN WATER QUALITY AND OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL TRENDS.
AND, OR I SHOULD SAY, I SHOULD ADD TO THIS AND, OR OTHER LAND USE TRENDS, UM, AS WELL.
SO THERE IS A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN, UH, LAND USE PLANNING, TRANSPORTATION, PLANNING, ENTITY, THAT UNDERLYING WATER QUALITY, WHICH, AGAIN, THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT YOU LOOK AT THE KIND OF THE VENN DIAGRAM OVERLAP.
UH, WE TALK ABOUT THE, UM, WATER SYSTEM RECHARGE.
WE TALK ABOUT, UH, THAT PROVISION PIECE IS ALSO RELATED TO FACILITIES COMPONENT.
SO I'D LIKE TO STOP THERE AND, UM, IN, IN, IN TAKE SOME COMMENTS AND THOUGHTS, I THINK FROM COMMISSIONERS AND FROM THE COMMUNITY AND HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ON THIS VERY IMPORTANT NEW CHAPTER, I'D LIKE TO START, OH, CATHERINE, I WAS LOOKING AT RICH BY, UM, UM, I GUESS TO START WITH, IF WE'RE,
UM, THE, I SEE A LOT OF EMPHASIS WHEN IT COMES TO SEA LEVEL RISE AND STORM WATER, BUT, UM, IN TERMS OF RESILIENCE, I THINK IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM A LENS OF HURRICANE IMPACTS, UM, WHICH IS WHEN I THINK IF ASSUMING THAT THERE IS SEA LEVEL RISE, THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE MOST GOING TO SEE THAT, UM, IMPACT ON KING TIDES, BUT THOSE HURRICANE EVENTS, WHICH INCREASED IN FREQUENCY OF LATE, UM, THAT THERE'S MORE TO IT TO LOOK AT THAN JUST OUR STORMWATER.
THERE'S A WIND LOAD IMPACTS AND EMERGENCY ROUTES.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE FULLY FLESHED THAT OUT AND YOU'VE I, AND I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'VE PUT IT IN UNDER SUBJECTIVE.
UM, BUT I THINK OF IT AS A SUBSTANTIAL ISSUE TO ME, RESILIENCE IS FAR MORE THAN, UM, CLIMATE CHANGE RELATED ITEMS. IT IS JUST THE NUMBER OF THREATS YOU'VE LISTED IT, I THINK AS THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE INTENDING IS NUMBER EIGHT HERE, RESILIENCE
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TO REFLECT THREATS.UM, OUR COMMUNITY DOESN'T JUST ANTICIPATE HURRICANE EVENTS OR SEA LEVEL CHANGE OR SEA LEVEL RISE OR CLIMATE CHANGE.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY, UH, FINANCIAL IMPACTS WITH ECONOMIC DOWNTURNS, UM, MATERIAL, FOOD SHORTAGES.
AND SO I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS A, UH, UH, I DON'T THINK IT'S SUBJECTIVE.
I THINK RESILIENCY IS A IT'S, IT'S AN ALL ENCOMPASSING TERM AND IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST AN, AN ENVIRONMENTALLY RELATED, UM, IT'S NOT JUST A NONVIOLENT, MINIMALLY RELATED FACET OF RESILIENCY.
UM, IF YOU'RE GONNA USE THAT TERM, UM, I THINK SOMEBODY ELSE, THERE WERE SOME, THERE WAS A POINT IN ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT I'D LIKE TO, I'M GOING TO FIND AND I'LL REITERATE AS WELL, BUT WE CAN TAKE A PAUSE ON MY COMMENTS AT THE MOMENT AND MOVE ON TO OTHERS.
I, WELL, I WOULD ECHO AS REREADING THIS LAST NIGHT AND THEN LOOKING AT, UM, BECAUSE WE'VE REFERENCED THINGS LIKE THE SEA LEVEL RISE ADAPTATION REPORT IN BUFORD COUNTY WAS LOOKING AT THAT.
FIRST OF ALL, I THINK WE'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB FOR THE FIRST TIME IDENTIFYING AREAS TO GO WORK ON FULL STOP.
I THINK THOUGH THE WORK THAT THE STAFF AND THE CONSULTANT HAVE DONE ARE, ARE VERY GOOD, BUT LIKE KATHLEEN I'M, I, I WANT TO SEE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ARE WE PREPARED FOR EVACUATIONS? WHAT ABOUT DEBRIS REMOVAL? WHAT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO WE HOUSE PEOPLE IF THEY CAN'T GET OUT? UM, I DON'T KNOW, AND MAYBE IT'S IN THERE AND I MISSED IT, BUT HAVING SOMETHING MORE THAN JUST STORM WATER AND SEA LEVEL RISE, BECAUSE THERE'S ALSO, IF YOU, YOU KNOW, AND I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT THERE'S LOTS OF CITIES, WHO'VE HAD HORRIBLE THINGS HAPPEN TO THEM, WHETHER IT'S TORNADOES, FLOODS, SHOOTING INCIDENTS, AND THE RESILIENCE OF THOSE CITIES REALLY COMES OUT AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THEY'VE PLANNED FOR IT, BUT SHOULD THERE BE A, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL ITEMS IN OUR RESILIENCY PLAN THAT TALKS ABOUT THINGS IN A LITTLE BIT MORE EMPHASIS, MORE THAN THE STORM WATER AND SEA LEVEL RISE, MR. REALLY QUICKLY ON THOSE POINTS.
UM, I THINK WHAT YOU, IF I COULD JUST TRY TO CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT, I THINK YOU SEEM TO BE DIPPING IN THE IDEA OF, OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, UH, PLANNING OR PREPAREDNESS, UM, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, IS, IS COUNTY WIDE AND A HOLISTIC EFFORT.
UM, AND I, I THINK IT IS AN AREA PERHAPS WITHIN THIS WORK WE COULD POINT TO, UM, AND, AND, AND ALSO ADD NARRATIVE AND ARTICULATE MORE AROUND HOW THAT SORT OF PLANNING IS ONGOING, UH, IN, IN WHAT THEY, YOU KNOW, SEEK TO COVER AND, AND PREPARE FOR WHICH I CAN TELL YOU IS AN EXTREMELY WIDE, WIDE RANGE OF POTENTIAL EVENTS.
WELL BEYOND, YOU KNOW, JUST HURRICANE, UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN WELL COVER IN THE PLAN.
WELL, I'M ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT RESILIENCY, IS IT, THIS IS THAT TOPIC THAT KIND OF WEAVES WITH EVERY OTHER TOPIC.
AND, UM, SO THERE'S A LITTLE, I, I HAVE A CHALLENGE WRAPPING MY HEAD AROUND WHAT WE SHOULD BE ADDRESSING HERE ELSEWHERE, BOTH NEITHER.
UH, BUT, UH, COMMISSIONER FLYNN, DID YOU HAVE ANY, NO, I MEAN, I I'VE READ IT AND I'M TRYING TO STILL DIGEST QUITE A BIT OF THE, UM, EXTENDED STORM FREQUENCY INTENSITY.
AND I'M LOOKING AT THAT AND SAYING, GEE, YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS IF, SAY AGAIN, SORT OF WHAT THE COMMISSIONER SAID EARLIER, HOW WILL WE HANDLE IT FROM AN EMERGENCY STANDPOINT, IF SOMETHING REALLY DRASTICALLY HAPPENED, HOW WOULD WE HANDLE IT THEN AS A TOWN? SO I THINK SOMETHING FROM, UH, SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO THAT LEVEL IN THERE.
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THANK YOU.I DID FIND THE ADDITIONAL COMMENT THAT I FOUND IT.
THIS WAS THE PALMETTO BLUFF CONSERVANCIES COMMENTS ON RESILIENCY.
AND I JUST THINK IT'S WORTH ECHOING.
THIS SECTION SEEMS HUMAN CENTERED INSTEAD OF ECO SYSTEM CENTERED.
AND UNTIL THEY SAID THAT I DID NOT PICK THAT UP.
AND I THOUGHT, WE LOOK AT THIS SO MUCH FROM A WHAT HOW'S THIS, THESE CHANGES THAT ARE AROUND US ARE GOING AFFECT US, BUT WE DIDN'T ASK OURSELVES HOW'S IT GOING TO CHANGE THE ANIMAL PLANET ANIMAL LIFE AROUND US, NEARLY AS MUCH AS WE THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT'S IT DO TO US? WELL, I WAS HOLDING THIS ONE BACK, BUT IT ACTUALLY DOVETAILS WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
UM, THE THING THAT THAT'S KIND OF SCREAMS OUT TO ME, THAT'S NOT IN HERE AND IT DOES HAVE TO BE A PART OF NATURAL RESOURCES AS WELL IS, UM, FOR, FOR MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM HAVE MOVED HERE FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE AND IT'S DEALING WITH, UM, THE FACT THAT WE DO NOT HAVE THE NORMAL STORMWATER FLOW HERE THAT YOU HAVE ELSEWHERE.
YOU KNOW, WHERE I CAME FROM YOU TRY AND GET THE WATER OFF YOUR PROPERTY, INTO THE CREEK, DOWN TO THE RIVER NOW TO THE OCEAN HERE.
IF WE GET TOO MUCH FRESH WATER IN OUR RIVERS, BECAUSE THEY'RE BRACKISH RIVERS, WE WILL LOSE THOSE RIVERS, WE'LL LOSE THE OYSTERING.
SO, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS ON THE RESILIENCY IS HOW EQUIPPED IS OUR COMMUNITY, HOW EQUIPPED IS OUR LAND? UM, HOW IS IT DESIGNED SO THAT WE KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING? YOU KNOW, UH, WHETHER IT'S AN EXAMPLE OF HAMPTON LAKE IS ACTUALLY A BIG STORM WATER RETENTION POND, UH, TO KEEP WATER FROM FLOWING INTO THE MAY RIVER ON, ON ABATED.
UM, WE'VE GOT DEVELOPMENT GOING ON ON 2 78 IN THE COUNTY AND ABOUT TO BE IN THE TOWN, UM, UP NEAR THE HEADWATERS, THE OCA T UH, WE NEED TO MAKE A PRIORITY ON RESILIENCY OF KEEPING THAT FRESH WATER OUT OF THESE, UM, RIVERS, OR WE'RE GONNA RUIN THEM.
AND SO I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE THAT WATER FLOW ISSUE.
AND HOW IS THAT ADDRESSED? UM, AND ME MAKING SURE THAT IT'S A PRIORITY IT HAS BEEN AND NEEDS TO CONTINUE TO BE AND EVEN MORE SO.
UM, BUT THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTED DOVETAILS PERFECT FROM WHAT POLIO BLUFF CONSERVANCY SAID.
AND I THINK I MIGHT HAVE BEEN MR. DEL COR, UM, WHO SAID THAT THIS, OR MAYBE IT WAS SOMEBODY ELSE THAT THIS REALLY DOES RESILIENT.
THE RESILIENCY CHAPTER REALLY TOUCHES ON EVERY OTHER FACET OF THIS, UM, IN EVERY OTHER ELEMENT OF THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO PART OF ME, WHEN I, WHEN I LOOK AT THE RESILIENCE CHAPTER, I LOOK AT IT LIKE, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF TAKING THOSE MORE OF THE INVENTORY OF THOSE OTHER CHAPTERS AND APPLYING AND APPLYING THAT INFORMATION IN AN ANALYSIS FORM WITH OBJECTIVES.
SO IT'S ALMOST TO ME A COMPONENT THAT ACTUALLY SITS MORE TOWARDS THE END OF, UM, THIS BOOK OR THIS, UH, PACKAGE TO SAY, WE'VE LOOKED AT NATURAL RESOURCES AND NATURAL RESOURCES BY THE WAY, SHOULD BE MORE THAN PARKS.
UM, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR NATURAL SYSTEMS ARE OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR ASSETS.
AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM A RESILIENT STANDPOINT, BUT I THINK THE RESILIENCY COULD LITERALLY BREAK DOWN BY ECONOMIC AND ECONOMIC RESILIENCY, A CULTURAL RESILIENCY, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL RESILIENCY.
IT'S, IT'S, IT IS TOUCHING ON ALL THOSE OTHER PIECES.
AND ALL OF THEM ARE PART OF THE LANGUAGE OF RESILIENCE.
MR. DELCOR SAID, WELL, I DON'T THINK IT WAS VERBATIM.
IT MAY HAVE BEEN MY INTERPRETATION OF HIS WORDS.
IT'S YOU LOOK AT THESE COMMUNITIES AND HOW THEY BOUNCE BACK FROM THESE EVENTS.
IT IS SO COMMUNITY BASED, IT IS A CULTURE OF THAT COMMUNITY AND HOW THEY RESPOND.
I KNOW THAT WHEN WE HAD HURRICANE MATTHEW, THERE WAS THE, THAT WAS WHEN THE BLUFFTON HILTON HAD ASKED ANSWER PAGE REALLY STARTED AND EVERYBODY GOT IN AND WERE LIKE, WE NEED THIS, WHO'S GOT INFORMATION ON THAT.
AND IT'S STILL TO THIS DAY IS SOMETHING THAT'S CARRYING THROUGH.
IT'S INNATE, WE'RE A COMMUNITY THAT TALKS TO ONE ANOTHER THAT HELPS THE ONE ANOTHER THAT COMES ALONGSIDE ONE ANOTHER.
UM, AND SO I THINK OF RESILIENCY AS MUCH AS ANYTHING ELSE AS A RESOURCE CHAPTER, AS WELL AS AN ANALYSIS CHAPTER, UH, A PHRASE CAME TO MIND WHEN YOU WERE SAYING THAT, AND THAT IS, UM, GOOD STEWARDS.
I ALMOST THINK OF RESILIENCY AS THE CHAPTER OF HOW ARE WE GOOD STEWARDS OF OUR ECONOMY, OUR RESOURCES, OUR PEOPLE, BUT, UM, DID YOU HAVE ANY, UM, I'D ACTUALLY LOVE IF WE CAN DO SOME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT, JUST BECAUSE I SAW THE EMAIL FROM MR. MCCRACKEN ABOUT IMPERVIOUS SURFACES AND HOW WE'RE MEASURING OUR SUCCESS WITH STORMWATER.
AND I FEEL LIKE THAT'S, TO ME, ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS I'D LIKE TO SEE ADDRESSED
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IN THE RESILIENCY COMPONENT OR NATURAL RESOURCES, BUT I REALLY FEEL LIKE IT NEEDS TO BE IN BOTH.IF PERMISSION IS READY, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT OR RESILIENCE OR RESILIENCY, AND, AND SOME OF THESE MAY OVERLAP BETWEEN THE TWO, BUT, AND THEN JUST A REMINDER, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, UH, KATIE UP 6 0 5, SANDY SHOALS PASS BLUFFTON 2 91 0.
UM, I'M HERE, UM, AS A STAFF MEMBER OF THE PALMETTO BLUFF CONSERVANCY.
UM, AND UNFORTUNATELY OUR EDUCATION AND RESEARCH COORDINATOR IS OUT OF TOWN AT THE BAT FLITS.
SO I'M READING FOR HER, UM, UH, FOR RESILIENCY.
UH, THIS SECTION SEEMS HUMAN CENTERED INSTEAD OF ECOSYSTEM CENTERED.
THIS IS PROBLEMATIC WHEN PHRASING, HOW WE BUILD RESILIENT RESILIENCY WITHIN A LANDSCAPE, THE RESILIENCY IS BASED AND NATURAL ECOSYSTEM PROCESSES, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY BENEFIT THE HUMAN YOU'RE LIVE IN THAT ECOSYSTEM.
FOR EXAMPLE, GREEN SPACES WERE MENTIONED MANY TIMES IN THIS CHAPTER AS A WAY TO PROVIDE WILDLIFE HABITAT AND RECREATION SPACE.
WHAT IS THE BLUEPRINT CONSIDER OPTIMAL WILDLIFE HABITAT TO BE? IS IT GRASSY PARKS WITH NO NATIVE PLANTS THAT ARE SPRAYED WITH PESTICIDES? THESE ARE GREAT RECREATION SPACES FOR HUMANS, BUT ARE NOT REALLY OPTIMAL WILDLIFE HABITATS.
UM, AND OUR OTHER COMMENT FOR THIS SECTION ARE THE ONLY PLANNED WILDLIFE HABITATS.
THOSE THAT ARE IN WETLANDS THAT CANNOT BE DEVELOPED.
IF SO, THERE SHOULD BE OTHERS MIXED IN THAT ARE CONNECTED TO THE WETLAND NETWORK.
WHAT IS THE PROPOSED SHAPE OF THESE HABITAT PATCHES, THICKER CHUNKS OR SECTIONS, UH, WITH MORE INTERIOR HABITAT SPACE OR BETTER FOR MANY SPECIES OF CONCERN, AS OPPOSED TO NARROW SECTIONS CAUSE THE SIZE, SHAPE AND CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN PATCH HAS BEEN DISCUSSED.
THANK YOU, HERMAN MEETING HARMON MANNING WITH ONE 11 QUARTER CASTING CIRCLE.
CAN I PAUSE YOU FOR ONE SECOND JUST TO MAKE SURE.
AND I THINK EVERYBODY ON COMMISSION KNOWS, BUT EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM, YOU ALSO SERVE ON THE WATERSHED ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, I'M REALLY GIVING MY COMMENTS AND THE COMMENTS I SUBMITTED THIS AFTERNOON AS A CITIZEN AND BASED ON MY CREDENTIALS, BECAUSE THE WATERSHED COMMITTEE, I TRIED TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE LAST MEETING AND WE COULDN'T DO THAT.
AND THEN AT THE LAST MEETING, WE REALLY DIDN'T GET A TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT.
I'M NOT TALKING ON BEHALF OF THEM.
I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE ON BEHALF OF THEM, BUT YOU ARE A MEMBER OF THAT COMMITTEE.
AND YOU'RE AWARE OF SOME ISSUES THAT MAYBE WE'RE NOT EVEN AWARE OF, THAT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP WITH.
SO I'VE JUST, I JUST WANTED TO PAUSE IT.
UM, YOU AS MORE OF AN EXPERT THAN SOME, OH, HOW'S THAT PUT, THANK YOU.
UM, AND, UM, FIRST OFF, LET ME SAY THANK YOU BECAUSE I, LIKE I SAID, EVERY TIME I COME TO THIS MEETING, I LEARNED SOMETHING NEW AND YOUR, UH, CONCERN FOR THE EVACUATION AND MAKING SURE THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE.
AND SO I WAS SITTING HERE, THESE GUYS KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING BECAUSE THEY'VE HAD HURRICANES HERE.
UM, I AM FIRMLY IN FAVOR OF, UH, INCLUDING THAT BECAUSE I, IN MY ROLES, I WAS THE EMERGENT, I WAS THE INCIDENT COMMANDER AND I HAD A HASWELL OPPORTUNITY AND WE HAD TO RESPOND AND WE HAD TO DO IT QUICKLY.
UH, THE POLICE, UM, THE GOVERNOR IN RHODE ISLAND CALLED US THE BEST IN THE STATE.
UM, THEY RELIED ON US BESIDES THEIR, UM, THEIR GROUP.
AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT DOES TO A COMMUNITY.
I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR, UM, NOTIFYING PEOPLE AND HOW YOU GET THAT DONE AND ALL THE RESOURCES THAT IT TAKES AND THE QUICK ACTION.
SO CERTAINLY THAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED.
I JUST ASSUME THAT HERE, YOU GUYS ALL KNOW THAT AND DO THAT NOW, YOU KNOW, UP IN JERSEY, EVERYBODY'S GOT AN LEPC BECAUSE OF ALL THE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, AND CERTAINLY I WOULD OFFER MY HELP AND I MENTIONED MY HUSBAND WAS, YOU KNOW, RESPONSIBLE FOR, UM, GETTING THE UTILITY, UM, UP AND RUNNING.
AND I'LL JUST SHARE WITH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING READY AND NOT BEING READY, SUPERSTORM SANDY THE WEEKEND BEFORE, UM, HIS PHONE WAS CONSTANTLY RINGING BECAUSE EVERY HOUR THERE WAS ANOTHER CAR I GET READY TO BRING IN.
UH, TREE-HUGGERS ON PLANES FROM CALIFORNIA,
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THEY WERE SETTING UP TENTS AND NEW BERGS HENSON, UH, LONG ISLAND BRING IN FOOD FOR THE PEOPLE GET CAUGHT.SO THEN SUPERSTORM, SANDY CAME AND, UM, FINALLY ON WEDNESDAY, MY OFFICE CALLED AND THEY SAID, HEY, WE GOT POWER.
SO I GOT IN MY CAR AND TRIED TO DRIVE TO WORK.
I CAN'T GET OUT OF THE TOWN BECAUSE EVERY STREET THERE'S A TREE DOWN.
SO I'M DRIVING AROUND, DRIVING AROUND.
WE FINALLY GET ONTO 2 0 6 AND THERE'S ALL THESE TREE HUGGERS FROM NORTH CAROLINA MIND UP ON 2 0 6.
I SAID, GUYS, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? THE TREES ARE ALL DOWN.
THEY SAID LADY WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GET COMMUNICATION FROM JCP AND L THEY'RE COMING OUT HERE WITH A GUY WITH A CLIPBOARD.
THERE WAS NO, THERE WAS NO ORGANIZATION.
WE WERE WITHOUT POWER FOR 11 DAYS.
I WAS UP IN THE NORTHWEST JERSEY, UM, TOTALLY UNORGANIZED.
IT'S MY POINT THERE, YOU GOTTA THINK ABOUT THE WORST CASE.
UM, WHAT COULD HAPPEN? DO YOU HAVE THE RESOURCES? DO YOU HAVE THE PEOPLE, DO THEY UNDERSTAND THE SENSE OF EMERGENCY? SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO HELP, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
I THINK, AND AGAIN, THIS IS, AGAIN, MY EXPERIENCE, NATURAL RESOURCE SECTION NEEDS INVENTORY FOR ALL OF THOSE CRITICAL ITEMS. I GAVE YOU A LIST THAT'S IN BUFORD COUNTY ONE, YOU'VE GOT TO TALK ABOUT THE BIRDS AND THE BEES, THE FLOOR WE USED TO CALL THEM THE BIRDS AND THE BEES, THE, UH, THE TREES, THE WETLANDS, AND SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, I DON'T CARE WHAT THEY'RE DOING UP IN FLORENCE AND CHARLESTON FOR BLUFFTON.
WHAT ARE OUR WETLANDS? UM, SO THAT'S NUMBER ONE THAT NEEDS COMPLETE RIFF.
IT'S NOT ABOUT PORT PARKS AND MANMADE GOLF COURSES OR MANMADE.
AND THEN WITH RESILIENCY, I HEAR ALL THE GOOD TALK AND THAT'S GREAT.
UM, I JUST WANT TO, I GAVE YOU MY NOTES ABOUT THIS WHOLE TOPIC, BECAUSE I THINK YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL.
UM, IT'S BEING INTERPRETED AS MANY THINGS.
AND I POINT OUT TO YOU THE RECENT EPA CASE, THE SUPREME COURT DECISION, UH, WHEN AGENCIES OVERSTEPPED, WHAT THEY WERE LEGALLY ALLOWED TO DO.
I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULDN'T BE LOOKING AT ALL THESE THINGS, BUT YOU HAVE TO KEEP IT IN PERSPECTIVE.
AND THAT WAS THE GIST OF MY COMMENTS TO KEEP IT IN PERSPECTIVE.
AND LASTLY, AND THEN I'LL GO AWAY AND PROBABLY LESS TIME I'M GOING TO TALK.
AND THIS GETS INTO THE WATERSHED.
AND IT WAS MY HUSBAND WHO POINTED IT OUT TO ME, MY WHOLE CAREER, HIS WHOLE CAREER.
WE HAD A STANDARD, YOU HAD TO MEET THE STANDARD.
AND SOMETIMES IT WAS VERY HARD TO MEET THE STAND BECAUSE IT WASN'T JUST ONE STANDARD.
I HAD YOU GO IN JERSEY THERE'S PAGES OF STANDARDS AND IT CHANGES IN THE TOP TWO FEET AND THE BOTTOM TWO FEET AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
AND I'M KIND OF SHOCKED THAT WE'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE STANDARD HERE.
UM, AND, AND BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE, IF YOU'RE NOT MEETING THE STANDARD, YOU'VE GOT TO CONSENT WATER, OR YOU HAVE SOME KIND OF TIMELINE THAT YOU SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO TAKE US TIME TO FIX THIS.
UM, I DON'T THINK I DON'T SENSE THAT.
AND I S I GAVE YOU SOME PICTURES.
UM, AND THIS IS REALLY THE CRITICAL PART.
YOU KNOW, I KINDA KNOW A LOT ABOUT THIS AND WHEN I DRIVE IT, WE JUST DROVE HERE.
I'M DRIVING DOWN BLUFFTON PARKWAY AND I SEE THE SEDIMENT THINGS.
SO I'M A HALF HOUR ON, HALF A ROLL OFF.
UM, AND I THINK SOMEBODY COMMENTED TO ME, EVEN WITH THIS NEW ORDINANCE, UM, THE PEAS, THEY DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.
AND WHEN I SEE PEOPLE IN OUR, EVEN OUR DEVELOPMENT AND LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, JUST SIMPLE THINGS.
AND I'LL LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, I ALSO DID SAFETY.
SAFETY IS REALLY, I WANTED PEOPLE TO COME INTO WORK AND GO HOME IN THE SAME SHAPE.
AND I SEE THE LANDSCAPERS WITH A BLOWER, NO HEARING PROTECTION.
BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE HURTING HIS EARS, YOU KNOW, WHEN SOMETIMES THEY GOT IT AROUND THEIR NECK AND I'LL GO LIKE THIS AND THEY'LL PUT THEM ON.
AND THAT'S MY POINT WITH THE ENVIRONMENT.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS I SEE HERE.
WE'RE NOT AS, UM, VIGOROUS AND THAT RIVER AND THE OTHER RIVERS HERE ARE PRECIOUS.
THEY ARE OUTSTANDING RESOURCES THAT, THAT CLASSIFICATION IS RESERVED FOR THE NATIONAL PARKS
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TO REALIZE HOW SPECIAL THAT IS.SO WE NEED TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO PROTECT IT.
AND I REALLY THINK YOU NEED TO CON THE RUNOFF IS THE KEY.
SO I'M SORRY TO TAKE THIS TIME, BUT IT'S PASSIONATE.
UM, AND I'M HAPPY TO HELP, YOU KNOW, AND I'M NOT A CRAZY, YOU KNOW, ENVIRONMENTAL CRAZY PERSON.
I LIKE TO DO THINGS THAT ARE PRAGMATIC AND THAT WORK, I LIKE TO DO THE THINGS THAT WORK UNDERSTOOD.
DID WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? SEE NOW, IS THERE ANYONE THAT CAME IN LATE THAT DID NOT FILL OUT A PUBLIC COMMENT FORM THAT WANTS TO DISCUSS RESILIENCY? YEAH.
AND I THINK, UM, AS WE GET READY TO TIE THIS UP, KYLE, I DO THINK WE'RE GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON, ON NATURAL RESOURCES.
SO I DON'T MIND HAVING THE EXTRA TIME.
I THINK COMMISSIONER KELLY FEELS THE SAME WAY.
UM, JUST TO BE CLEAR COMMISSIONER, WE, ARE WE READY TO MOVE ON OR WE WANT IT ANY MORE COMMENTS? NO.
UM, LET ME LOOK AT THE COMMISSIONERS.
DO WE HAVE ANY MORE COMMENTS WE WANT TO ADD A, DO YOU ARE GETTING THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT HAVE COME IN? CORRECT.
UM, ESPECIALLY THE ONE FROM PALMETTO BLUFF, UM, THEY'RE EXPERTS IN THE FIELD.
SO I THINK, I THINK WHAT THEY SAY, WE NEED TO LISTEN TO LIKE CLEAR, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I COULD MAKE A COMMENT REGARDING ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT THIS APPS HAD STATED, UM, IT TALKED ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE NEED TO FOCUS ON THAT, THE HABITAT BEYOND JUST THE WETLANDS.
UM, JUST TO REMIND THIS BOARD THAT, YOU KNOW, BUFORD COUNTY IS POTENTIALLY MOVING FORWARD WITH A REFERENDUM FOR THE GREENBELT REFERENDUM, WHICH IS A 40 YEAR 1 CENT SALES TAX, UH, FOR A MAXIMUM OF $300 MILLION THAT CAN BE USED TOWARDS THE PURCHASE OF LAND CONSERVATION EASEMENTS AND THE BUYDOWN OF DENSITY.
SO, YOU KNOW, JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, BEYOND JUST THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON, THERE ARE OTHER AGENCIES THAT ARE DOING, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT HAVE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON, AND THIS IS ONE OF THEM POTENTIALLY WE GO IN FRONT OF THE VOTERS THAT THEY VOTED ON IT, THEN THAT'S ADDITIONAL FUNDS THAT THE TOWN COULD THEN TAP INTO TO PURCHASE SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TO START TO SAVE SOME OF THIS LOAN.
SO JUST REMINDING YOU THAT THERE, THERE ARE OTHER, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, REVENUE, POTENTIAL REVENUE SOURCES OUT THERE, UM, TO ASSIST IN THAT WELL, AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S A GREAT REMINDER.
AND KYLE THAT, THAT PROBABLY SHOULD BE PUT INTO THIS CHAPTER WORK WITH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND OR THE COUNTY TO IDENTIFY AND, UM, WORK ON THAT.
I MEAN, I CAN THINK OF, YOU KNOW, THE OPEN LAND TRUST HAS HELPED US TO HAVE WORST STREET, UM, OYSTER FACTORY PARK, THE WAY IT IS AND OTHERS THROUGHOUT BLUFFTON.
SO, YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
KEVIN, I'M GLAD, REALLY GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT.
I THINK ONE OF, ONE OF THE THEMES IN THIS CHAPTER NOT DISLIKED, SOME OF THE OTHER CHAPTERS IS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THIS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE AREAS ARE GOING TO BE AREAS WHERE YOU ARE COLLABORATING, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH PARTNERS, WORKING WITH A REGION, STATE FED, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE LEVEL OR NON-PROFIT, YOU KNOW, FOLKS THAT ARE OUT THERE AND VERY EFFECTIVE THAT CAN HELP YOU ACCOMPLISH THESE GOALS.
BUT IF I COULD QUICKLY SUMMARIZE IF COMMISSIONER A FEW OF THESE, I THINK THE IDEA OF THE EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS, UH, EVEN IF IT IS JUST INVENTORYING THE SYSTEM THAT IS IN PLACE RIGHT NOW, WHICH YOU BEING ON THE COAST SUSCEPTIBLE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, THE, THE, UM, JUST THE HURRICANE SEASON ALONE NEEDS THAT YOU HAVE THAT EXTRA LEVEL OF SCRUTINY WITHIN THAT BODY, BUT WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE INCLUDE THAT IN THIS CHAPTER, UH, AS WELL AS, UM, UH, BOLSTERING, UM, A NUMBER OF THESE, UH, INVENTORY COMPONENTS AND MAKING REFERENCE TO, UH, OUR PARTNERS AND WHAT THOSE PARTNERS COULD MEAN IN TERMS OF, UH, SPECIFIC ACTIONS OR PROJECTS, UH, FOR YOU ALL.
I'D JUST BE VERY INTERESTED IN, YOU KNOW, YOU BEING AT THE TABLE AND HAVING A LOUD VOICE AT THAT TABLE, UH, WHEN THESE THINGS, UH, ARE DISCUSSED.
CAN I, CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION? AND AGAIN, MAYBE I JUST EITHER TO KEVIN OR, OR, OR KYLE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SOME THINGS, ONE THING THAT I REALIZED WHEN I WAS JUST IN NEW JERSEY LAST WEEK IS WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE IS SOME KIND OF A SPILL OR ANYTHING IN, IN, OR AROUND THE MAY RIVER, WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY IS THAT, IS THAT SOME US GOVERNMENT COUNTY, GOVERNMENT WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR MANAGING SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YOU GUYS BACK HERE, THE WATERSHED MANAGER THAT HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY, IF IT'S BEFORE HYSTER RIVER, IT WILL BE THE, UH, BUFORD COUNTY FIRE DEPARTMENT.
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THEY DO ALL SPILL MANAGEMENT, AND ONCE IT MAKES IT THE RIVER, IT BECOMES DNR AND RESPONSIBLE, AND THERE'S THINGS THAT ARE PUBLISHED LIKE THAT, THAT WE COULD GO REFER TO.THERE'S NO POINT IN REINVENTING THE WHEEL.
IT'S ALL THERE, NO TRAINING, OR I THINK ANOTHER INTERESTING COMPONENT SPECIFICALLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RESILIENCY AND THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, UM, WHILE WE ARE NOT AN ISLAND, WE ARE CONNECTED TO PEOPLE THAT DO DRIVE TO AN ISLAND.
WE ARE CONNECTED TO PEOPLE THAT RELY ON THAT ISLAND.
UM, AND SO IF THAT, IF FOR SOME REASON THAT BRIDGE GOES OUT VIA BECAUSE OF HURRICANE, BECAUSE OF OTHER, SOME OTHER ISSUE THAT ARISES, UM, WE CAN POTENTIALLY FIND OURSELVES IN A WORLD OF TROUBLE LOCALLY.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WEAVES INTO THE EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS OR HOW THAT WEAVES INTO RESILIENCY SPECIFICALLY.
UM, BUT THERE ARE, BUT THAT IS A VERY SPECIFIC FEATURE OF BLUFFTON THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY COMMON TO ALL PLACES THAT IS ONE WAY ON AND OFF.
AND IF THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE CAN'T GET ON AND OFF THAT CREATES SOME ISSUES AND HERE IN BLUFFTON, MR. OKAY.
CALL YOU WANT TO ORDER IT AND MOVE ON.
WELL, THE OTHER TOPIC FOR THIS EVENING, AGAIN, TALKING ABOUT THE VENN DIAGRAM IS VERY WELL, YOU KNOW, OVERLAPPED, I THINK WITH OUR DISCUSSION HERE AROUND, UH, RESILIENCE, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT NATURAL RESOURCES.
SO FOR THIS, UH, COMPONENT, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF SIMILAR COMMENTS, UH, IN TERMS OF SUBSTANTIAL PIECES TO WHAT WE COVERED IN COMMUNITY FACILITIES.
GENERALLY, REALLY, I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND, I THINK, ON THE INVENTORY WITHIN THIS SECTION A NUMBER OF AREAS, AND I'LL DO A SCREEN SHARE HERE TO PULL UP MY DOCUMENT, JUST SO THAT YOU'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE DOING IT NOW.
SO A KEY ITEM HERE IS WE THINK ABOUT THE SUBSTANTIAL, UM, THE EDITS THAT ARE NECESSARY IN THE CHAPTER AND INDEED THAT WE HAVEN'T EVEN BEGUN TO MAKE, UH, AS IT TODAY IS AS IF WE GOT THEIR COMMENTS, THE IDEA OF EXPANDING OF THE INVENTORY OF THE SYSTEMS, UH, THAT ARE, UH, PRESENT IN THE COMMUNITY.
SO SOME EXAMPLES THAT WE GOT FROM A COMMISSIONER COMMENTS, WHICH I REALLY APPRECIATED, ONE, THEY GIVE BY CANOPY COVER, UH, WASTER BEDS, TIDAL MARSHES, ANYTHING THAT CAN BE MAPPED.
I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT AS PART OF OUR ANALYTICAL SERIES, UH, WITHIN THIS CHAPTER, IN ADDITION, UH, GOING BACK TO THE POINT, UH, KATIE, I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AND I APPRECIATE YOU MAKING THE POINT ABOUT WILDLIFE.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THAT IS A, UH, UH, UNIQUE AND CONTRIBUTING, UH, UH, OF, UH, FACTOR TO, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST YOUR, UM, UH, SORT OF, UH, ECO PROFILE, BUT WHO YOU ARE AND TOURISM, QUITE FRANKLY, AS WELL.
SO THAT HABITAT PIECE NEEDS TO BE PRESENT, UH, IN THIS CHAPTER.
THERE'S A MAJOR MISSING PIECE, I THINK, WITHIN THIS SECTION THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I'LL ADMIT THOUGH, I THINK WE TRIED TO COVER IN RESILIENCY, BUT WE, IT NEEDS TO BE REITERATED WITHIN THIS SECTION, WHICH IS THE IDEA OF WATER RESOURCES, UH, UH, ALONE, UH, MEANING JUST HOW CRITICAL AND COMPLICATED, UH, THAT SERIES OF, OF, OF, UM, OF TOPICS AND POINTS ARE TO WHO YOU ARE.
UH, AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT RELATES TO OTHER SECTIONS WITHIN THIS PLAN, UH, LAND USE, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, TRANSPORTATION, UH, ALL TOPICS THAT WERE, UM, UH, IT AT LEAST IMPLICITLY MENTIONED THERE IN OUR DISCUSSION WE JUST HAD, RIGHT? SO I BELIEVE THAT IN THE NEXT VERSION OF THIS, UH, PLAN, WE REALLY OUGHT TO NOT JUST HIGHLIGHT, BUT ISOLATE AND HIGHLIGHT, UH, THE WATER RESOURCES, UH, INVENTORY IN THIS, UH, AND PERHAPS WORK WITH STAFF TO SEE IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC ACTIONS, UH, THAT MAY RELATE, UM, UH, TO THAT PARTICULAR, UM, AREA, UH, AS THE GENTLEMAN, UH, FROM A WATERSHED WAS BRIGHTLY POINTED OUT IN A LOT OF THIS, UH, MANAGEMENT, THERE ARE OVERLAPPING, UM, UH, UH, UH, A SERIES OF RESPONSIBILITY, UH, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO DISASTER, BUT ALSO WHEN IT COMES TO JUST PURE MANAGEMENT, I THINK, UH, AND ALONG WITH JUST THE INVENTORY WOULD BE GOOD TO KNOW AS PART OF THIS SECTION, REALLY, MAYBE IT'S A, KIND OF A, THE WHO'S DOING WHAT I THINK WITHIN THIS SECTION, JUST TO SHOW, NOT JUST THE POLICIES THAT ARE AT PLAY AND THE STATUTES, BUT ALSO, UH, THE GROUPS THAT ARE ACTIVE, WHETHER THEY BE STATE SPONSORED PUBLIC, OR THEY ARE A DEED NON-PROFIT, UH, FRIENDS OF STYLE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE, UH, THAT ARE, UH, WORKING IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
AND THE LAST SECTION, UH, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS QUITE A BIT DURING OUR FACILITIES, UM, DISCUSSION, UH, UH, TWO WEEKS AGO, BUT THE IDEA THAT THE, THE PARKS COMPONENT,
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WHILE THEY MAY FIT HERE, IN TERMS OF, AS WE TALK ABOUT ACCESS, UH, TO THESE NATURAL RESOURCES, THE PURE INVENTORYING PIECE REALLY BETTER FITS AND IS BETTER SUITED FOR THE COMMUNITY FACILITIES SECTION.SO WE'VE ALREADY BEGUN TO, UH, REORIENT, UH, THAT CHAPTER TO REFLECT THAT NOTE.
UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS STILL SOME NEED FOR REFERENCE FOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'VE DONE AS A COMMUNITY, WHICH IS VERY COMMENDABLE, UH, TO GET YOUR RESIDENTS INTO THESE PLACES.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT ARE, THAT ARE UNIQUE, UH, THAT ARE CONTRIBUTING, THAT ARE GREEN, THAT ARE BLUE, WHATEVER THEY MIGHT BE.
UH, YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF TREMENDOUS WORK TO, TO TURN THOSE PLACES OUT.
AND THAT ACCESS LEADS TO UNDERSTANDING LEADS TO EDUCATION AND ALL THOSE IN RESPECT, STEWARDSHIP, THE WORDS THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED EARLIER IN THE CONVERSATION.
SO WHILE I DO STILL BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A COMPONENT OF THIS CHAPTER THAT MAY REFERENCE, UM, AGAIN, ACCESS, UH, IF THE RESOURCES AND PRINCIPALLY THROUGH SOME OF YOUR PARK RESOURCES AND INVESTMENTS ARE WITHIN THAT APARTMENT, THE INVENTORYING OF THIS, I BELIEVE AS YOU POINT OUT RIGHTLY, PROBABLY BELONGS NET COMMUNITY FACILITIES, UM, UH, SECTION.
SO WITH THAT, I WILL BE QUIET.
WE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT HERE ABOUT, UM, THE MYRIAD OF TOPICS THAT MIGHT BE INCLUDED IN THIS NATURAL RESOURCES CHAPTER.
I GOT A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANT TO TALK ABOUT AFTERWARDS, BUT SIR, WELL, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS, UM, AGAIN, I, I LOVE THE IDEA OF 3.1 ESTABLISH AND PROMOTE BLUE WAY TRAILS.
I'M CURIOUS, I SEE BUFORD COUNTY HAS DONE A FAIR AMOUNT OF IT.
AND AGAIN, MAYBE THIS IS FOR STAFF.
HAVE WE DONE ANYTHING LIKE BUFORD COUNTY HAS DONE FOR BLUE BLUE WAYS? I MEAN, IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT AS FAR AS BLUFFTON IS CONCERNED.
WELL, I DIDN'T CATCH THE VERY FIRST PART OF, WELL, IT SEEMS LIKE, UM, BUFORD COUNTY HAS DONE A LOT IN IDENTIFYING COUNTY BLUE WEIGHS TRAILS, PADDLING, CANOEING, AND SO FORTH.
AND I SEE THAT WE'VE MENTIONED IT IN ITEM, I GUESS IT'S 3.1.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, ACTION BEHIND THAT.
OR MAYBE THERE'S A TIMELINE THAT WE'LL TALK IN PRIORITIES.
HAVE WE DONE ANYTHING LIKE THAT SO FAR? UM, CHARLOTTE, CORRECT? CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK THAT THE COUNTY PICKED UP ALL OF IT.
I MEAN, HOW HAVE WE DONE THIS SPECIFICALLY FOR, FOR BLUE TRAILS? NO, WE HAVE NOT.
UM, YOU KNOW, HAS THE COUNTY, YEAH, SO IT'S ON A, ON A COUNTY-WIDE LEVEL.
UM, SO WE'RE INCLUDED IN THE BUFORD COUNTY STUFF.
SO THEN WHAT WOULD 3.1 MEAN THEN FOR AN ACTION ITEM? OH, THE RESILIENT, UH, THE NATURAL RESOURCE, UM, ACTION ITEM 3.1.
IF WE'RE ALREADY IN BUFORD COUNTY, THEN WHAT WOULD THAT DO? WELL, IT'S ON ONE 14.
GIVE ME A SECOND COMMISSIONER, IF I COULD DO POP IN ON THIS ONE.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE CRITICAL FOR US TO INCLUDE IT IN HERE? SOME DEFINITION AROUND WHAT A BLUE WAY ACTUALLY IS? UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE DO THAT WELL ENOUGH, UM, IN THE DOCUMENT RIGHT NOW, UH, AND YOU'RE RIGHT TO POINT OUT THE WORK THAT THE COUNTY, UH, YOU KNOW, HAS FORGED THERE ALREADY AND PERHAPS A BETTER VERB, I THINK, TO LEAD INTO THAT ACTION, UH, CONDITIONER MIGHT BE THE IDEA OF, OF, UH, REALLY MORE OF LEVERAGING THE WORK THAT'S GONE ON.
I THINK AT THE COUNTY LEVEL, IT'S NOT ATYPICAL BECAUSE THESE, YOU KNOW, THESE TRAILS DO CROSS BORDERS, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS TO BE MORE OF A REGIONAL EFFORT THAN A LOCAL ONE.
BUT I THINK AS WE THINK ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT CAN ACCENTS, YOU KNOW, THAT TYPE OF, UM, AMENITY YOU THINK ABOUT STREETSCAPING ALONG THE STATE ROUTE, RIGHT? I MEAN, THESE, THESE ARE THINGS THAT, UM, ARE BECOMING MORE AND MORE, UH, UM, USED, UH, MORE AND MORE RECOGNIZED AND ARE TRULY UNIQUE FOR WHO, YOU KNOW, FOR WHERE YOU ARE, WHERE YOU SIT IN THE COUNTRY.
SO I, WE JUST SAW THEM AS A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY.
AND, AND IF THE WORD IS LEVERAGE, UH, WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB OF TALKING ABOUT WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN TO TRULY LEVERAGE, YOU KNOW, THOSE EARLY, UH, TRAILWAYS.
AND, AND AGAIN, I REALLY JUST GOT BACK FROM VACATION MYSELF.
SO I DID NOT GET IN MUCH DETAIL ON THE BUFORD COUNTY PLAN.
I DIDN'T SEE STUFF IN AND AROUND BLUFFTON, BUT THAT MIGHT BE BECAUSE I JUST MISSED IT.
REALLY THE, I MEAN, THE MOST LOGICAL ONE THAT I KNOW OF IS ALONG THE NEW RIVER AND THAT IS ACCESSING
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INTO THE COUNTY'S FUTURE PASSIVE PARK.THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO CONSTRUCT, SO, RIGHT.
SO, YEAH, THEY DON'T WRIGHTSVILLE.
SO I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT AND THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS, THAT IS ONE OF THE, UM, THE COMPONENTS TO THAT PARK.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEING CAPTURED THROUGH THE COUNTY.
UM, I MEAN, I THINK ACKNOWLEDGING IT AND ASSISTING WHERE WE CAN IS GREAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO REINVENT THE WHEEL AND TRY TO CREATE A, UH, I, I'M NOT ARGUING WITH YOU.
I THINK THEY'RE ESTABLISHED AND, AND PROMOTE WOULD SAY, WE DON'T NEED TO ESTABLISH IT.
I THINK KYLE'S POINT IS RIGHT.
IS THERE A WAY TO LEVERAGE IT AND EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE BLUE WAYS THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN BLUFFTON AS WELL AS BUFORD COUNTY AND IN GENERAL, IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT TOURIST THING OF USING THEIR NATURAL RESOURCES.
WE HAVE, I THINK THE BEST THING IS JUST TO CROSS REFERENCE WITH OTHER DOCUMENTS, KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH EMERGENCY SERVICE.
CAUSE THAT'S ALL, I MEAN, THAT'S ALL, IT'S ALL TAKEN CARE OF LIKE EMERGENCY SERVICES, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE EVACUATION ROUTES AND THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL ADDRESSED.
IT'S ALL ADDRESSED AND IT'S NOT, WE ARE A, WE ARE A, A PART OF IT.
WE HAVE A COMPONENT, BUT LIKE THE BUFORD COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THEY'RE THERE THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT GROUP FOR BEAVER COUNTY.
SO WHEN THERE'S A DISASTER, THEY TAKE THE LEAD AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OUR OWN, YOU KNOW, PORTION THAT STAYS HERE, BUT WE HAVE STAFF THAT GO TO THE COUNTY AS WELL.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, ALSO TO NOT BULK UP THIS DOCUMENT SO MUCH TO WHERE YOU CAN'T EVEN READ IT WITH ALL THIS INFORMATION IS DEFINITELY MAKING THOSE CROSS-REFERENCES TO OTHER DOCUMENTS AND OTHER AGENCIES, WHICH COULD BE SERVED AS AN APPENDIX.
YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO WRITE THAT WITHIN, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THOSE REFERENCES, A LOT OF THOSE PACKAGES LIKE THIS SCHOOL DISTRICT, UM, MASTER PLAN, THINGS LIKE THAT, ALL OF THAT COULD BE INDEPENDENT LISTED IN APPENDIX KIND OF BY CATEGORY.
I'M NOT SAYING YOU DON'T MAKE REFERENCES EARLY, BUT THE KINDS OF LONGER FORM OF THAT REFERENCE CAN ALL BE IN AN APPENDIX IN THE BACK.
I FEEL LIKE, SO IT'S NOT BULKING UP THE REST OF IT AND YOU'RE NOT.
AND THEN JUST, IT'S JUST ELECTRONICALLY LEAKS TO EVERYTHING.
THAT'S THE BEST WAY OF DOING IT.
WELL, LET ME LET, LET'S GET BACK ON, UH, COMMISSIONER DUNCAN.
IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS, IF COMMISSIONER DELCOR IS DONE OR DO YOU HAVE, YES.
I WOULD SAY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S A BIT OF A STRUGGLE IS BECAUSE THIS IS SO PARKED FOCUSED AND NOT TO ME, NATURAL RESOURCE FOCUS NECESSARILY.
AND I THINK THAT THERE'S A, THERE'S A FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL REWRITE AS A COMPONENT TO THIS.
THERE'S A LOT OF MISSING INVENTORY.
THAT'S A COMPONENT THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT SHOULD BE HERE.
SO IT'S HARD TO ACTUALLY GRAB ONTO THE THINGS TO TALK ABOUT THE THINGS SPECIFICALLY, BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST NOT HERE.
UM, I'M HAPPY TO ENGAGE IN A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PARKS ASPECT OF THIS, EVEN THOUGH AGAIN, I THINK IT MORE RELATES TO THAT COMMUNITY FACILITIES, UM, SECTION, BUT I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS THAT IT, IT'S HARD A LITTLE BIT TO GET INTO THE NATURAL RESOURCES BECAUSE OF HOW IT'S WRITTEN, UM, IN TERMS OF THE PARKS.
IT'S, IT'S AN INTERESTING, YOU, YOU'VE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS OF GIVING A PARK AND KIND OF ADDRESSING HOW, THE WAY THAT WE'RE MEASURING ISN'T REALLY WORKING.
UH, I DON'T THINK THAT WAS THE EXACT WORD CHOICE, BUT THAT'S HOW I INTERPRETED IT.
UM, I, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THAT I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE ANALYZING IT FROM A, WHAT WHAT'S WITHIN A 10 MINUTE WALKING AREA.
UM, YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT WHAT'S NECESSARILY IN THE PRIVATE COMMUNITIES WHEN YOU DO WE, BY FAR AND AWAY OUTSCORE ANYBODY AND REALLY PARKS, ALL OF THEM HAVE A DIFFERENT SERVICE AREA.
SO IF YOU ARE, YOU KNOW, A LIKE THE BUCK, WALTER RECREATIONAL MASTER PLAN, THAT'S COMING OUT WITH TOURNAMENT LEVEL SOCCER FIELDS AND TENNIS FACILITY, UM, THAT IS A SERVICE AREA.
THAT'S MUCH MORE REGIONAL IN ITS APPROACH.
SO IT'S NOT ABOUT IT BEING WITHIN A 10 MINUTE WALKING DISTANCE OF THAT PARK.
YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HAVE A SMALL OPEN SPACE AND IN A COMMUNITY THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO TAKE YOUR DOG TO GO, YOU KNOW, DO THEIR BUSINESS.
UM, BUT A 10 MINUTE WALKING ZONE FOR THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY THE PRIME PIECE, YOU KNOW, WAY TO MEASURE THAT EITHER.
UM, JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A THOUSAND PEOPLE WITHIN A, YOU KNOW, A QUARTER ACRE PARK DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE LEVEL PARK FOR THAT GROUP.
SO IT'S AN, IT'S AN ODD CHOICE OF MEASUREMENT.
I WOULD MUCH PREFER THE C TAKEN APPROACH, UM, FROM THE PARKS PLANNING OF HERE'S A COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, REGIONAL PARK, HERE'S A COMMUNITY PARK, HERE'S A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.
THESE ARE THE SERVICE AREAS FOR THOSE, HOW WELL IS BLUFFED AND REALLY COVERED.
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WE'VE GOT THIS NUMBER OF SWIMMING POOLS, TYPICALLY A COMMUNITY OF THIS SIZE SHOULD HAVE THIS MANY SWIMMING POOLS.IF YOU'VE GOT THIS, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT THIS COMMUNITY, HAS THIS MANY TENNIS COURTS, WE SHOULD BE HAVING THIS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S REALLY A LOT MORE WORK TO BE DONE.
AND ACTUALLY IN A PARKS AND RECREATIONAL MASTER PLAN, IT'S REALLY A MUCH BIGGER TARGET, UM, THAT YOU'VE GOTTA BE IN DETAIL THAT YOU'VE GOT TO BE GETTING INTO, BUT THIS IS NOT THIS ISN'T REALLY HELPING SERVE THE DIALOGUE THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AS A PART OF THAT.
I THINK YOU CAN SAY, WE DO NEED TO DO A DEEP DIVE AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT, BUT ON A GENERAL BASIS, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE MAYBE STACKING UP COMPARED TO WHERE WE PROBABLY SHOULD BE.
THAT'S MR. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS IN THE, UH, IN THE DRAFT PERTAINING TO THAT ISSUE AROUND, UM, UH, PARK TYPE OR TYPOLOGY.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S, THEY'RE, WELL-PLACED, UH, I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE QUITE UNIQUE AND JUST THE AMOUNT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE, UH, GREEN SPACE THAT, THAT IS, UH, ACTIVE NOT TO SAY THAT PRIVATE IS INACCESSIBLE TO FOLKS, BUT, UM, THE FACT THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT IS A FAIRLY UNIQUE ELEMENT FOR YOU ALL.
SO I THINK I'D BE LOOKING FOR A LITTLE BIT OF ADVICE ON, UM, AND MAYBE WE'D WORK WITH STAFF, YOU KNOW, ON THIS, ABOUT HOW TO TREAT OR TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THOSE SPACES WITHIN THE COMMENTARY.
UM, I THINK IT'S QUITE CLEAR FROM YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT DEVELOPING OUT AGAINST SOME TYPE POLICIES FOR EACH OF THESE GREEN SPACES.
I MEAN, A REGIONAL PARK IS JUST DIFFERENT FUNDAMENTALLY IN NATURE, UH, THAN A PASSIVE OR NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, YOU KNOW, CENTERED, UH, GREEN SPACE.
SO, UH, WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB.
WE WILL DO A BETTER JOB WITHIN THIS SECTION, POSSIBLY KNOW PLACING, I THINK THAT CONVERSATION LIKE YOU, LIKE YOU RIGHTLY POINT OUT INTO THE FACILITY'S DISCUSSION AS WE WALK THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THAT INVENTORY OF ALL OF THE SPACES THAT ARE OUT THERE.
UM, I THINK IF, BE, THINK ABOUT ACCESS, WE, WE BROUGHT UP WALK SHEDS, BUT THERE ARE OTHER WAYS OF MEASURING THAT, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, ACRES PER RESIDENT, WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL DIVE INTO THAT.
WE'LL TALK WITH STAFF ABOUT THE RIGHT WAY TO REORIENT SOME OF THAT ACCESS, UM, DISCUSSION.
I JUST HAVE ONE MORE THOUGHT, UM, IT'S THE NEW INVENTORY THAT'S GOING TO BE INCLUDED? IS THAT GOING TO HAVE NEEDS ASSESSMENT AS PART OF THAT? LIKE, SO WE CAN KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE, NOT JUST WHAT WE HAVE, BUT SOME ANALYSIS ON THAT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE NEED AND WHAT ARE OUR ACTION ITEMS FROM HERE TO GET WHAT WE NEED THE COMMISSIONER, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE INVENTORY, IS THAT SPECIFIC TO THE PARKS DISCUSSION WE'RE JUST HAVING, OR THAT THE BROADER INVENTORY WITHIN NATURAL RESOURCES ITSELF, NATURAL RESOURCES, IT'S HARD WITH SOME OF THE NATURAL RESOURCES TOPICS IN THE SENSE THAT, UM, W WE THINK ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE, WHAT WE NEED, THE WAY I'VE INTERPRETED YOUR COMMENTS AND THIS, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE NATURAL SYSTEMS. THEY ARE THOSE, UH, THE PHYSIOGRAPHY THAT THE HYDROGRAPHY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, JUST THE, THE, THE, THE, THE ECOSYSTEM, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL WORK IN PLAY WITHIN, UM, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT WITHIN THAT TO DETERMINE, UH, EXACTLY WHAT, UM, POINT OF VIEW BECOMES OUT OF THAT OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, MAINTAINING AND STEWARDING THIS ENVIRONMENT MOVING FORWARD.
BUT I'D BE, I'D BE OPEN TO SOME, SOME GREAT CONVERSATION, I THINK ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CAN DO TO, AGAIN, ADD POINT OF VIEW TO SOME ANALYSIS, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THIS.
I MEAN, THE OBVIOUS THING WOULD BE TO SAY, YOU'RE BECOMING MORE GRAY, RIGHT? THE GREEN MIGHT BE DISAPPEARING.
AND AT WHAT RATE, YOU KNOW, AND WHAT'S AN UNACCEPTABLE RATE, UH, FOR YOU AS THE TOWN.
UH, BUT I THINK BEYOND THAT, WE JUST NEED TO, I THINK BE CREATIVE IN THIS CHAPTER TO CONSIDER ONE WHAT YOU CAN CONTROL AS A COMMUNITY, THROUGH THE OTHER MECHANISMS LIKE LAND USE, UH, TRANSPORTATION, PLANNING, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, IN TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS, UH, WHAT IS THE DNA HERE WITH THE NATURAL RESOURCES SECTION THAT IS ESSENTIAL TO MAINTAIN FOR YOU TO BE BLUFFTON, YOU KNOW, 10 YEARS FROM NOW, 20 YEARS FROM NOW, THAT'S A CONVOLUTED ANSWER, BUT, UH, IT, IT'S, IT'S A BIT OF A DIFFICULT ONE, I THINK, TO, TO FULLY APPLY IN THIS SECTION.
ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS LOOKING AT, UM, THERE WAS A COMMENT EARLIER THAT REFERENCED, UH, ONLINE GIS, UH, DATABASE WITH ALL KINDS OF WONDERFUL INFORMATION.
UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS, ONE OF THE MAPS THAT I BROUGHT UP WAS KIND OF LOOKING AT THOSE NATURAL AREAS.
AND WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, I IMMEDIATELY SAW HOW SOME OF OUR BIGGEST AREAS ARE JUST NOT CONNECTED.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THESE PATCHES, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE CORRIDORS BETWEEN THEM.
UM, AND THAT THE, THE GROUP THAT WAS DOING ALL OF THIS WORK WAS DISCUSSING KIND OF THIS IDEA OF HOW DO YOU, UH, KIND OF LACE THOSE IN WEAVE THOSE, YOU KNOW, WEAVE THAT FABRIC IN TOGETHER AND HOW DO YOU KIND OF BRING THOSE CORRIDORS THROUGH? AND I THINK BLUFFTON HAS A LOT OF CHALLENGES PERTAINING TO
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THAT, JUST BECAUSE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE THOSE PATCHES ARE, ARE ALONG THE PERIMETER AND OUR INTERIOR IS PRIMARILY WHAT'S BEEN DEVELOPED.UM, SO I THINK THAT IT'S STARTING TO LOOK AT WHERE CAN WE POTENTIALLY, UH, CREATE THOSE? HOW DO WE POTENTIALLY CREATE THOSE CORRIDORS AND WHERE SHOULD THOSE CORRIDORS BE? WHERE DO THEY MAKE SENSE TO BE? UM, SO THAT'S, TO ME ONE ANALYSIS THAT I THOUGHT ABOUT WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT IT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO OUR OYSTER BEDS, UM, I TEND TO THINK OF, OKAY, WHERE ARE THOSE LOCATED? WHAT KIND OF BUFFERING WOULD BE IDEAL? AND WHAT KIND OF BUFFERING DO WE HAVE? WHAT BUFFERING ARE WE STILL ABLE TO KIND OF HOLD ON TO? UM, SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE NOT TO ENCROACH ON THAT BUFFER IF WE DON'T HAVE IT CODIFIED TO PROTECT THOSE? UM MOVING FORWARD.
SO THAT'S WHERE I START THINKING OF IN TERMS OF ANALYSIS IS HOW DO WE PROTECT THOSE RESOURCES THAT WE STILL HAVE? RIGHT.
I MAY, UM, JUST TO REMINDER THAT FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS, THIS IS, THIS IS KIND OF LIKE A, IT'S A ROADMAP FOR STAFF.
SO THIS IS, WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE'RE NOT ANSWERING ALL THE QUESTIONS WITH THIS DOCUMENT.
WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE GIVING, WE'RE GIVING THE BEST IT'S PROJECTS FOR US MOVING FORWARD.
SO A LOT OF THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO BE THE, OR THE UNKNOWN'S AS OF RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE WILL BE DOING THE RESEARCH ON ALL OF THESE, YOU KNOW, TALK ABOUT THESE CONNECTIONS, BUT WE ACTUALLY START COMING UP WITH PLANS LIKE THIS.
THIS GIVES US, SO BRING IT, MOVE IT FORWARD INTO THE STRATEGIC PLAN WITH TOWN COUNCIL ON, YOU KNOW, ON THIS IS A 10 YEAR PLAN.
THEY LOOK AT TWO TO THREE YEAR PLANS, AND THEN, THEN WE CAN START ADDING SOME OF THESE THINGS IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN BECAUSE WE HAD TO START FUNDING.
SO THE RESEARCH THAT, I MEAN, A LOT OF THAT COST MONEY, LIKE THERE, A LOT OF THE ANALYSIS, LIKE WE, WE NEED TIME TO WORK ON ALL THOSE THINGS AND THEN WE CAN START TO REALIZE HERE'S OUR PINCH POINTS.
HERE'S THE AREAS THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON.
SO, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST REMEMBER THAT ONE, THIS, WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH WITH THIS PLAN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO ANSWER ALL, WE'RE NOT ANSWERING ALL THESE QUESTIONS WELL, AND THE, AND, AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE HITTING EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO COMMENT TOO.
WE'D NEED TO REMEMBER THAT THIS IS BROAD STROKES.
THIS IS NOT, UM, WE NEED TO PUT FIVE MORE TREES ON BUCK ISLAND ROAD.
THIS IS THAT WE HAVE TO, THIS IS, AS KEVIN SAID, IT, IT IS BROAD STROKES.
UM, SO I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE ALL VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS AND I THINK WE GET, AND I DO IT MYSELF.
WE GET DOWN INTO THE DETAILS WHEN WE'VE GOT TO, WE'VE GOT TO KIND OF GIVE THAT GUIDELINE.
UM, I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS TO SHARE ON THIS.
AND KYLE, I, I OBVIOUSLY I'VE BEEN AROUND HERE FOR 30 YEARS, WHICH IS A SHORTER THAN MANY, BUT LONGER THAN SOME, UM, IN YOUR NEW COMING INTO THIS.
UM, WHEN I FIRST GOT INVOLVED WITH POLITICS BACK IN OH SEVEN, UH, COASTAL CONSERVATION LEAGUE HELD AN EVENT.
IT WAS A, UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER IT WAS A ONE OR A TWO DAY TRAINING, UH, FOR ELECTED AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS THAT I WENT TO.
AND I'LL NEVER FORGET THAT BECAUSE IT REALLY HELPED ME TO START UNDERSTANDING MORE THE RIVERS I LOVE AROUND HERE IN THIS ECOSYSTEM AND, AND I MAY BE STATING FACTS WRONG.
SO DON'T CERTAIN PEOPLE IN HERE THAT CHECK FACTS IF I GET THE NUMBERS WRONG, I'M SORRY.
BUT BY MY MEMORY, UH, WHAT WE WERE TOLD IS 50% OF THE SALTWATER WETLANDS ON THE EAST COAST OR IN NORTH AND SOUTH CAROLINA AND 50% OF THOSE ARE IN BEAVER COUNTY.
WE HAVE A LOT OF SALTWATER WETLANDS THAT CAN GET RUINED HERE.
UM, WE HAVE AS A, AS A TOWN, I'M SPEAKING IN THE COLLOQUIAL, WE, WE HAVE DONE THINGS LIKE PUT, UH, RETENTION TANKS.
MATTER OF FACT, MR. MCCRACKEN, WHEN HE DEVELOPED, UM, I CAN'T NOT CALL YOU MAYOR MCCRACKEN, MAYOR MCCRACKEN.
WHEN HE DEVELOPED STOCK FARM HAD TO PUT A TANK UNDER THERE TO CAPTURE THE FRESH WATER.
SO IT DIDN'T RUN RIGHT INTO THE MAY RIVER.
UM, THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS IN KYLE, THE REASON WHY I'M, I'M GOING DOWN THIS ROAD IS THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WE NEED TO TALK TO IN OR ADDRESS IN THE NATURAL RESOURCES IS THE, ALMOST THE METHODS OF KEEPING THOSE NATURAL RESOURCES, MAYBE NATURAL RESOURCES, ISN'T THE RIGHT SECTION, BUT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT IMPERVIOUS SURFACES ARE.
WE ALMOST, AS A TOWN, UH, DID THE MAY RIVER STREETSCAPE ALL WITH CONCRETE SIDEWALKS UNTIL WE STOPPED AND SAID, LOOK, WE'RE ASKING EVERYBODY ELSE TO DO IMPERVIOUS.
AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S A BRICK THERE TODAY ON THE SIDEWALKS.
UM, YOU KNOW, UH, AN IDENTIFICATION
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OF IMPERVIOUS, WHAT WAS THE, UM, AL UM, YOU MIGHT REMEMBER THIS, WHAT WAS, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER HIS NAME.HE CAME AND HE SAID, ONCE WE REACH, I THINK IT WAS 10%.
HOLLAND SAID, ONCE WE REACHED 10%, WE'VE LOST THE, UM, THE ABILITY TO DO WHAT OUR ECOSYSTEM DOES.
AND AT BUILD-OUT ARE WE GOING TO BE MORE THAN 10%? I THINK EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM BELIEVES THAT'S THE CASE.
BRAD HOLLAND ALSO SAID, IF WE ALLOW OUR WATER COME ON HERE, SO YOU CAN BE ON THE RECORDING APP.
OH, DOES IT ALSO SAID THAT ONCE YOUR WATER BECOMING PAYER OR SOLAR MORE, IT'S JUST THAT THE COMMUNITY'S HEALTH AND THE VALUE OF YOUR HOMES WILL DECLINE.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE BEEN FINDING STORM WATER FOR SO LONG.
I ACTUALLY COMMITTED THE MOST OF THE LAND TRUST AND UNDERSTAND PROTECTING OUR WETLANDS, OUR HEADWATERS AND OUR WATER SUPPLY THAT COMES TO DIFFERENT COUNTY CALLED SAVANNAH RIVER 300 MILE QUAL.
SO I UNDERSTAND ALL THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME, CONTROLLING STORM WATER JUST 20 YEARS AGO, WHEN WE STARTED PUTTING HARD SERVICE EVERYWHERE, WE DIDN'T KNOW THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS OF RUNOFF.
AT THAT TIME, WE'VE KIND OF HAD AN IDEA THAT WE'RE PROFIT WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC, BUT WE DIDN'T KNOW.
AND A LOT OF RESEARCH WAS DONE BY THE DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES ON YOUR FRIEND, PAUL AND OTHERS, MYSELF, UH, CHRIS MARSH, SPRING ISLAND.
SO WE STARTED TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE ENVIRONMENT AND WHAT WE FOUND WAS, AND NOW THE NEW STUDY FROM A USB, WE KNOW THAT, UH, WE'RE SEEING LOWER SALINITIES THAT AREN'T HEADWATERS, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THOSE ARE NURSERY AREAS FOR RENT.
FOR EXAMPLE, UH, WE ALSO KNOW THAT YOU WILL LOSE OYSTER GROUNDS AND UP SHELLFISH GROUNDS AS WELL, CALLED THE STORMWATER, ENTERING THOSE UPPER REACHES OF OUR ESTUARIES.
SO WE ALSO KNOW THAT IN CERTAIN AREAS, WE SEE SOLEMNITY DROP FROM 25 PARTS PER THOUSAND TO ZERO IN 30 MINUTES.
WELL, DON'T CLANK THEM LONG SHRIMP.
CAN YOU GET ON THE WAVE AND SLIGHTLY DROPPED SACK QUICK CAN CAUSE MORTALITY CALLED MORTALITY WITHIN FISH AND CRUSTACEANS.
SO STRONG WATER IS THERE'S A HAMMER TO THEM.
IT'S BETTER FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.
WE'VE SEEN, UH, CHANNELING FOR LARGE VOLUMES GOING INTO BOTH AREAS INSTEAD OF HAVING THE SNAKE LIGHT.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE STARTING TO SEE STRAIGHT LINE.
WE'RE SEEING FRESH WATER PLANTS DROVE HIM TO SALTWATER MARCH.
THAT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN.
SO THINGS ARE CHANGING BECAUSE OF UNCONTROLLED STORM WATER.
ONE OF THE THINGS I'M PUSHING REALLY HARD ON IS THAT ONCE WE PUT THE STORM WATER PONDS DOWN, I SAID, NOBODY MANAGES THEM AND WE PUMP WATER ON THE GROUND AND PEOPLE FALL.
SO ONCE IT RAINS, IF YOU GET A HURRICANE WITH INCHES, RAIN BALLS, THE TOP OF THE WATER AND CAN CAUSE FLOODING ON OTHER AREAS AROUND HERE, WHEN, WHEN YOU GET SUPER HOT TIME SLAPS OUTFALLS.
SO YOU GET A LOT OF RAIN IN THAT TIME, IT OVERFLOWS THE BANKS.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS YOU CAN DO TO PROTECT WHAT I CONSIDER OUR GREATEST OPEN SPACE, RIGHT? IT'S RECREATIONAL SPACE, GREEN SPACE, WHICH IS THE BANK OF RIVER AND SURROUNDING MARSHES.
AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE DOING A GOOD JOB OF MANAGING THAT WELL, MR. STOKES, JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF, OF PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE, WHO MAY NOT KNOW THIS, CAN YOU GO AHEAD AND QUALIFY YOURSELF AS TO, TO WHY, YOU KNOW, WHAT, YOU KNOW, UH, SPOKE 41 YEARS WHERE THE DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES MANAGING OR DIRECTING AND WHATEVER AGRICULTURE CENTER, UH, THAT'S TAUGHT ME A LOT BECAUSE WE WERE RESPONDING ALL KINDS OF MARINE, FISH, CRUSTACEANS, AND FINFISH OF ALL KINDS.
SO I KNOW ABOUT THEIR HABITATS, WHAT THEY NEED, THE REQUIREMENTS OR WHAT REQUIREMENTS, FEED REQUIREMENTS.
SO I'VE LEARNED THE HARD WAY BY MAKING A LOT OF MISTAKES.
SO TO SAY YOU'RE AN EXPERT IN THE FIELD IS PROBABLY AN UNDERSTATEMENT, MY STATEMENT.
UM, BUT KYLE, I, I ALSO HAD HIM SAY THAT, SO YOU UNDERSTOOD, UM, HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS AND, AND, UH, THINGS LIKE, UM, AL JUST BROUGHT UP, UM, MANAGING THE STORMWATER PONDS THAT NEEDS TO BE A PART OF THE RUNOFF DISCUSSION.
AND I DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE, SO THE COMMUNITIES AREN'T MANAGING THE PONDS, NO, WE DON'T WANT ON THE GROUND.
KEEP THEM QUOTE, IT'S AN AMENITY TO MOST.
SO THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S ANOTHER PART OF EITHER THIS
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NATURAL RESOURCES OR ANOTHER SECTION IS THE IMPORTANCE OF KEEPING THAT FRESH WATER OUT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO LOSE THE WILDLIFE.AND YOU MENTIONED ARTS, AND I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH THE PARK SPACE, BUT YOU HAVE THESE, THE MAYOR, WHATEVER IS PARKED IS IN ITSELF.
PEOPLE GO OUT AND WATCH BIRDS.
I LIKE WHAT BIRDS AND KNOW A LOT OF THEM AND, UH, CRAB INTO PEOPLE'S SHRIMP AND FISH AND ALL THEY'RE OUT THERE AND HAVING BOATING ACTIVITIES, THE SANDBAR, UNTREATED PEOPLE.
SO IT'S, IT'S A PARK WITHIN ITSELF AND IT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF.
AND IT'S A SWIMMING POOL TOO WELL.
UM, ARE WE READY NOW? AND WE'LL PROBABLY CALL ON YOU AGAIN, BUT THANK YOU.
AND I DON'T GET A CHANCE TO SAY THIS PUBLICLY, UM, VERY OFTEN, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR YEARS OF SERVICE BECAUSE THIS, THIS PLACE WE LIVE IN IS A BETTER PLACE.
CAUSE HE, AND I'M SURE I'VE EATEN SOME OF THE FISH YOU'VE SPAWNED AND EVERYTHING.
WITH DOING A LITTLE BIT OF PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN WE'LL KEEP IT OKAY.
AND YOU MENTIONED, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW IMPORTANT THE MAY RIVER IS AND OUR OTHER WATERSHEDS, BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE ARE MORE THAN THE MAY RIVER WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE TOUCHING THE NEW RIVERSIDE, WE'VE GOT COLLETON RIVER.
AND SO THOSE DEFINITELY NEED TO BE A MAJOR POINT OF INFLUENCE IN ADDITION TO THE MAIN RIVER.
YEAH, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
AND OUR COMMUNITY IS LOOKING AT THESE OTHER WATERSHEDS, BUT THERE'S ONE WATER, UH, UH, DOWN BIGGEST WHERE THE BARRACKS THEY GO IN, ALL THE SOUNDS DIFFERENT COUNTY IS QUITE UNIQUE IN A NUMBER OF WAYS.
WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ATLANTIC BY A BIG CURVATURE IN THE COASTLINE.
WE HAVE NO FRESH WATER RIVERS OR STREAMS. SO EVERYTHING IS TIGHTLY CONTROLLED.
WE HAVE THE HIGHEST TIME LAMP TO GO.
AND, UH, BECAUSE OF THAT, WE HAVE HORSEPOWER TIME IN ANY OTHER COUNTY IN THE STATE, I'LL COME UP, SALT WATER BARGE.
ALL THE OTHER WATERSHEDS DO NOT DRAIN YOU FOR COUNTING.
WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR OWN WATER, VERY UNIQUE WITHIN THE STATES.
WELL, AND KYLE, I, I THINK A WATERSHED MAP SHOULD BE PART OF OUR NATURAL RESOURCES.
AND ONE MORE THING, DO WE HAVE, I KNOW WE HAVE MASTER PLANS FOR COMMUNITIES.
WE HAVE MASTER PLANS FOR OUR OLD TOWN IS I KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT THE ACTION PLAN FOR THE MAY RIVER WATERSHED.
IS THERE A NATURAL RESOURCES MASTER PLAN FOR BLUFFTON, NOT COUNTY FOR BLUFFTON LOOKING AT OUR NATURAL RESOURCES AND OUR, I DON'T KNOW IF ONE PERSON, I MEAN, I KNOW THE COUNTY HAS PROBABLY SOME, I THINK, I MEAN, WHAT ALL, WHAT ALL IS ON THIS MAP BY NATURAL RESOURCES? WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY NATURAL? I MEAN, WELL, WHAT I'M SAYING IS ONE, WE DO NEED TO DO MORE INVENTORY HERE.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DO THESE OTHER COMMUNITIES IS WE'VE GIVEN A LOT OF, WE GIVE, WE FLUSH OUT A LOT MORE OF THESE CONCEPTS RELATED TO THAT SPECIFIC COMMUNITY.
UM, BUT WE DON'T, AS FAR AS I KNOW, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT OUR NATURAL RESOURCES IN GREAT DEPTH.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE MAY RIVER WATERSHED.
THERE'S AN ACTION PLAN FOR THAT.
THE COUNTY IS LOOKING AT IT FROM A COUNTY STANDPOINT, BUT I THINK THAT THERE ARE THINGS SPECIFIC TO WHO WE ARE IN TERMS OF OYSTER BEDS, TERMS OF OUR SPECIFIC WATERSHEDS IN TERMS OF OUR CANOPIES.
LIKE, LIKE YOU WERE TO THE, TO YOUR POINT EARLIER OF THAT, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS FROM A HIGHER LEVEL, I'LL BE GETTING INTO THE WEEDS ON THIS, IN THE SUIT AND SUPER GREAT ANALYSIS.
BUT PERHAPS THIS IS A PLACE TO SAY, MAYBE WE BLUFFED AND DOES NEED THEIR OWN NATURAL RESOURCES MASTER PLAN.
I MEAN, ARE LOOKING FOR LIKE OYSTER BEDS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
OR LIKE WHAT, I MEAN, WHAT I THINK, I THINK IT GOES BACK TO LOOKING AT AN ANALYSIS OF HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE PROTECT THOSE? WHAT ARE OUR GREATEST THREATS, WHERE OUR GREATEST OPPORTUNITIES, IT'S NOT, IT'S JUST, AS YOU SAID, YOU CAN'T COVER EVERYTHING RELATED TO NATURAL RESOURCES IN THIS PLAN.
PERHAPS WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE DO HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT DOES TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT.
I WOULD SAY THAT THAT WOULD COME OUT OF THE MAY RIVER, THE WATERSHED RIGHT THERE.
I MEAN, IT GOES TO CANOPIES, IT GOES TO, THEY HANDLE MORE THAN THAT.
IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE NAMED THAT.
AND AS FAR AS WATER RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE A WATER, A WATERSHED BASED PLAN FOR THE MAY RIVER.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT WITH THE WAY THE MAY RIVER WATERSHED ACTION PLAN TO EXPAND THAT.
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NOW WE DON'T HAVE WATER-BASED PLANNING FOR THE OTHER WATERSHEDS NEW RIVER THOUGH, COULD TAKE, THEY CALL IT THE SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING AT, BUT NOTHING SO FAR.WELL, AND I THINK YOU COULD ALSO LOOK AT MIGRATORY PATTERNS OF BIRDS.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S BEEN A DISCUSSION THAT COMES UP WITH PIECES OF LAND THAT COME UP ALL THE TIME OF WHAT BIRDS ARE HERE, WHERE ARE THEY COMING FROM? WHERE ARE THEY GOING? WE'RE LOOKING AT, IT'S NOT, WE'RE WE'RE, WE ARE SO MUCH WATER, SO MUCH OF OUR NATURAL RESOURCES, THE WATER FOCUS, BUT WE ARE MORE THAN THAT AS WELL.
IT GOES BACK TO THIS IDEA OF CANOPY AND UPLAND AREAS, UM, AND HOW THOSE AREAS ARE ADDRESSED.
CAN I GET, I CAN SHARE JUST, OH, HANG ON, HANG ON JUST ONE SECOND.
UM, TO, TO YOUR POINT A MINUTE AGO AND TO WHAT YOU SAID, SIR, KYLE, I THINK WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT PUTTING IN HERE AS A RECOMMENDATION TO EXPAND THE MAY RIVER PLAN TO OTHER WATERWAYS AND MAKE THAT A GOAL IN THAT'S ALREADY UNDERSTAND, BUT IT CAN BE VERBALIZED IN THE COMP PLAN.
AND THAT HELPS YOU HAVE THE, YEAH.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT OR GO FAR BEYOND OUR STAFF CAPABILITY, I MEAN, MIGRATION OF BIRDS WHILE THAT'S IMPORTANT IS IT'S NOT OUR, THAT'S NOT OUR, BUT THERE ARE POLLINATORS TO BE THOUGHT OF, RIGHT? I MEAN LIKE, THIS IS NOT, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THIS IS A NATURAL, LIKE IT'S NOT JUST A WATERSHED, IT'S A NATURAL RESOURCES.
I THOUGHT THAT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION WITH LIMITED RESOURCES.
SO THERE ARE PROBABLY OTHER AGENCIES OUT THERE THAT DO THAT WORK.
NOW, WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN PUT A COMMENT IN THERE THAT WE, YOU KNOW, RESEARCH AND FIND WHAT OTHER AGENCIES ARE, YOU KNOW, HAVE THIS INFORMATION AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF CROSS REFERENCE IT, BUT TO GO OUT AND TRY TO CREATE THAT RESEARCH.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF TO COORDINATING WITH OTHER AGENCIES AT THE FEDERAL AND STATE LEVEL WOULD NOT BE A LOCAL INITIATIVE ON SOMETHING LIKE BIRDMAN, MAGNET, EVEN FISH FOR THAT MATTER.
IT JUST WOULDN'T BE TOO LARGE FOR US.
LET ME, LET ME PULL US BACK IN.
I THINK WORKING ON THE DIFFERENT WATERSHEDS IS, IS A WORTHY GOAL AND I THINK IT'S ALREADY BEING WORKED ON SO VERBALIZING IT OR VISUALIZING IT IN HERE MAKES SENSE.
UM, YOU WANTED TO, WELL, I JUST, UM, NORMALLY IF WE WERE HIRED TO GO HELP A MUNICIPALITY, SO WE'D NEVER BEEN THERE BEFORE, YOU KNOW, WE GO TO THE TOWN OFFICE AND YOU WOULD START FLIPPING THROUGH THE BOOKS AND EVERY TOWN ALREADY HAS THIS.
IT WOULD BECOME BOILER PLATE, RIGHT? THE BIRDS DON'T REALLY CHANGE IN THE FOREST AND THE SOILS, GEOLOGY, THE CLIMATE, IT WAS KIND OF BOILERPLATE, BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE SUFFERING HERE IS THAT WHAT THAT HAS GROWN SO QUICKLY.
AND SO YOU, YOU, YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT HISTORY OR YOU HAVEN'T HAD THE PULL THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER.
SO I UNDERSTAND THE STAFF IS VERY, VERY STRESSED AND TRYING TO DO A LOT OF THINGS.
AND I, I POINT THAT OUT IN MY NOTE TO YOU ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT I THINK AT SOME POINT YOU DO HAVE TO COME UP WITH THAT.
YOU SHOULD, IT SHOULD BE BOILER PLATE THAT THIS IS WHAT BLOOD, THIS IS THE NATURAL RESOURCES OF BOOKS AND SHOULD BE IN EVERY ROOM, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTOOD AND HEARD.
UM, UH, REGARDING ALL MINISTERS, DNR IS ACTUALLY USING DRUMS TO MAP OYSTER BANDS NOW.
AND SO THEY DO THAT AND THEY WANT US TO BE CHANGES AT THE HURRICANE SEA LEVEL RISE, MIGRATION, MOISTURES, UH, WATER LEVELS RISE, THEY'LL MIGRATE TOWARD A HIGHER GROUND, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THAT WORK IS ALREADY BEING DONE.
THERE'S SOME REALLY GOOD PAPERS OUT ON BIRD MIGRATION.
THE COUNTY HAS TWO THIRDS OF THE ALOE HAMMOCKS AND, UH, ISLANDS AND HAMMOCKS AND THE STATE, UH, REST OF, OR STOPS FOR SONGBIRDS MIGRATION, SONGBIRDS FLIGHT NIGHT WHERE PREDATOR, BIRDS PLANTED DAYTIME.
SO THAT'S, WELL-DOCUMENTED ABOUT PLEASE DON'T BUSH HOG ISLAND HAMMER OR KNOWLEDGE BECAUSE BIRDS ONLY NEST, UH, YOU KNOW, 10 OR 15 FEET OFF THE GROUND.
AND IF YOU GO IN THERE AND BUSH HOG BARN AND ALL AND LOSE ALL THAT BEST THING SITES, A LOT OF WORK'S BEEN DONE ON THAT.
IT'S, IT'S JUST BEING 2D TO GRAB IT IF YOU WANT IT.
QUESTION, CAN I ASK A QUICK, QUICK QUESTION WITH MR. STOKES MENTIONED THERE WITH THE, THE, UM, UH, DRONE MAPPING OF OYSTER BEDS.
IS THAT MR. PUBLICLY AVAILABLE OR IS THAT DATA THAT THEY KEEP UNDER THEMSELVES? WELL, I'M SURE IT'D BE VERY VALUABLE.
CAN I ASK? I DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT I'M GOING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, MR. STOKES, UH, WOULD YOU BE AVAILABLE IF KYLE HAD ANY QUESTIONS
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FOR YOU TO HELP TO INFORMATION? UM, YOU THOUGHT YOU RETIRED, UM, YOU HAD SOME, LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENTS FIRST.SO WE'RE TELLING US THE ONLY ONE I HAVE AS MR. STOPES.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE AND I WOULD, I WOULD PREFER IF WE COME UP HERE, UM, FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS AND JUST DO THE, THE OFFICIAL IS STATE NAME AND ADDRESS KATIE UPS, UM, 6 0 5 SANDY SHORES PASS, UM, REGARDING THE NATURAL RESOURCES SECTION ON PAGE 77, BULLET THREE, UNDER NATURAL RESOURCES.
THERE'S THE STATEMENT, UM, PRESERVATION AND CONSERVATION, NATURAL RESOURCES, SUPPORT, RESILIENT AND SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITIES.
I KNOW THIS IS BROAD STROKES, BUT I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT TOO BROAD.
UM, CAN Y'ALL FLESH THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT, UM, AND MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT LESS VAGUE.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER COMMENT, IT IS CONCERNING THAT THE IMPACTS OF INCREASED DEVELOPMENT ON THE ECOLOGICAL COMMUNITIES IN AND AROUND BLUFFTON WAS NOT CONSIDERED IN GREATER DEPTH.
WE WERE LIVING IN AN ERA OF HUMAN CAUSED, EXTENSIONS AND LOSS OF BIODIVERSITY.
THIS IS EXACERBATED BY THE LOSS OF HABITAT DUE TO DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION.
WHEN WE READ THROUGH IT, UM, WE WERE SORT OF EXPECTING TO FIND OUT AT ABSOLUTE MINIMUM, THERE MIGHT BE SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT POLLINATOR GARDENS, UM, AND WAGERING, DISCOURAGE, PESTICIDE USE, STUFF LIKE THAT.
UM, WE WERE JUST LOOKING TO ADD, TO SEE IF YOU CAN ADD SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT, UM, WAYS TO MITIGATE THOSE IMPACTS.
WAS THAT, WAS THAT SUBMITTED WITH YOUR COMMENTS? I APOLOGIZE.
CAUSE I JUST, MY WORK SCHEDULE, I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO READ THEM ALL.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DO HAVE THAT.
AND WE ALSO INCLUDED LAND USE BECAUSE WE WEREN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT TUESDAY.
SO WE INCLUDED LAND USE COMMENTS.
I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT REALLY, REALLY FAST, BUT JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOU, YOU SENT YOUR WRITTEN COMMENTS EARLIER TODAY, RIGHT? FROM THE PALMETTO.
OH, YOU GOT ANOTHER SHOT IF YOU WANT IT.
DID WE HAVE A, IN ALL FAIRNESS, EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T WRITE IT DOWN, YOU CAN ALWAYS FILL OUT AFTER THE FACT THAT WE HAVE ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENTS COME ON UP.
I THINK YOU HAVE A SUGGESTED AREA FOR NATURAL WILDLIFE HABITAT, RIGHT? MICHELLE KEEL 22 TRAIL RIDGE RETREAT IN NEW RIVERSIDE.
UM, COUPLE OF THINGS I'M GETTING OUT OF THIS MEETING AS IT SOUNDS.
AND LIKE I SAID, I GUESS JUST THOUGHTS COMING OUT OF MY HEAD ARE IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE ANY OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE WATERSHED ONCE THEY GET DEVELOPED BECAUSE WE'RE SENDING PEOPLE, AREN'T MANAGING THE PONDS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO I GUESS, IS THERE A WAY FOR THE TOWN AND I KNOW WE'RE LIMITED GOVERNMENT CITY TOWN HERE IS TO MAYBE START GETTING WITH THE POS AND CREATE A CIVILIAN COUNCIL FOR WATERSHED MANAGEMENT, WHERE THE HOS MEET AND DISCUSS THIS.
LET ME PAUSE YOU THAT'S THAT I, THAT'S A GREAT DISCUSSION.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY DISCUSSION FOR COMP PLAN AND BELIEVE ME, YOUR HEAD, MY HEAD, AND I'M SURE KEVIN'S HEAD.
AND THE WATERSHED COMMITTEE HAS HAD IS ALL IN THAT SAME SPACE.
I MEAN, IF IT SHOULD JUST BE DIRECTED AND ONE OF THE MINUTES OR SOMETHING WHERE I CAN REFER THAT TO.
AND THE OTHER THING WAS BACK TO THE DEVELOPMENT, JUST I'VE NOTICED LIKE A NEW RIVERSIDE, A LOT OF THE DEVELOPMENTS, LIKE WHEN THEY FIRST STARTED BUILDING OUT THERE, THERE WAS A BIGGER BUFFER WHERE YOU REALLY DIDN'T SEE THE TREES OFF A NEW RIVERSIDE.
AND I'M SURE SOME OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS IT'S BEEN DEVELOPED.
AND NOW IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE RIGHT UP TO THE PROPERTY LINES ALMOST.
AND I KNOW THERE'S BUFFERS THAT HAVE BEEN AGREED TO WITH THAT, BUT IT JUST SEEMS AGAIN, THAT'S IMPACTING THE WATERSHED BECAUSE THEY'RE RIGHT AT THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY AND THE BUFFERS HAVE GONE FROM, YOU KNOW, ALL TREE AREA TO NOW THERE'S 25 FEET.
SO AGAIN, I GUESS THAT'S JUST SOMETHING FOR ANOTHER COMMITTEE TO DISCUSS AND TO TRY TO GET MORE BUFFERS, TO HELP HER SERVE THE WATERSHED ON THESE ROADS, BECAUSE LIKE YOU DON'T WANT ALL THESE HARD SIDEWALKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, CAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO IMPROVE THE SITUATION.
WELL, TO THE, TO THE POINT IT IS, UM, THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED IN NATURAL RESOURCES IS TO TRY AND PRESERVE BUFFERS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S A NATURAL RESOURCE, THE BUFFERS.
I, TO FIND SOLUTIONS REAL QUICKLY, COMMISSIONER MICHELLE ON THAT COMMENT, I THINK WE COULD ALSO PROBABLY DO A BETTER JOB IN THIS SECTION.
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WE DO SEE SOME OF ITS INVENTORY, ESPECIALLY AROUND THE WATER PIECE.IT DEFINING SOME OF THESE TERMS, ESPECIALLY WITH RIPARIAN BUFFERS, UH, STRESSING THEIR IMPORTANCE.
UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF THERE'S NOT A SORT OF A CONCRETE ACTIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, I THINK THAT INFORMATION AS MICHELLE RIGHTLY POINTS OUT WOULD BE IMPORTANT.
I GUESS MAYOR MCCRACKEN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND COMMENT? UM, I ALLOW MYSELF SIX MINUTES FOR A MONTH AND I'M ALREADY EXCEEDED, YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO GET THIS CHANCE ONCE EVERY 10 YEARS.
COMMISSIONERS, ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? I JUST HAVE A QUESTION, CHARLIE.
UM, AND THE QUESTION IS, AND PROBABLY DIRECT IT TO STAFF OR KYLE, WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT PERVIOUS VERSUS IMPERVIOUS SURFACES.
I KNOW MS. MANNING HAS TALKED A LOT ABOUT IT.
DO WE HAVE ANY ACTION PLAN TO INFLUENCE PUD OR OTHER THINGS GOING FORWARD OR ATTEMPTING TO INFLUENCE GOING FORWARD TO MAKE MORE OF PERVIOUS VERSUS IMPERVIOUS SURFACES IN CONSTRUCTION? UM, WE DO.
IS THAT AGAIN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE PDS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY'RE VESTED.
UM, THEY'RE GRANDFATHERED INTO THESE CODES THAT WERE WRITTEN IN THE LATE 1980S, UM, YOU KNOW, AND ADOPTED IN 1990.
SO, YOU KNOW, A LOT, A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION WASN'T, WASN'T NECESSARILY THERE AT THAT TIME.
UM, I WILL SAY THAT WE DO WORK WITH APPLICANTS.
UM, A GREAT EXAMPLE IS FOR SOME OF YOU, WELL, NO, CHARLIE, IF YOU WERE ON FOR MAYBE RIVER CROSSING MASTER PLAN, WHEN THAT CAME THROUGH, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY WANTED ADDITIONAL PARKING, UM, IT ON THEIR SITE ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS WERE AS WELL.
WHAT WE DID IS SAID THAT, OKAY, ANY, ANY PARKING BEYOND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO MUST BE IMPERVIOUS.
SO, UM, SO I'M TRYING TO COURTEOUS.
UM, THROUGHOUT THE OLD TOWN, WE HIGHLY ENCOURAGE PERVIOUS PARKING.
A LOT OF THEM WERE ACTUALLY TRIED TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF, OF DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY DO ANYWAYS.
UM, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO HAVE SOME DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO WE ARE WORKING WITH INDIVIDUALS.
UH, WE TRY TO GET THEM TO DO THE PERVIOUS PAVERS, UH, WHERE THEY CAN.
UM, BUT, BUT THE WHOLE THING CAN'T BE PERVIOUS.
UM, BUT, BUT WE TRY TO, UM, WRITE ONE THAT WILL BE COMING BACK IN FRONT OF YOU, THE PICKLEBALL COURT.
UM, MY UNDERSTANDING, I THINK WE HAVE MAJORITY OF THE PARKING OUT THERE IS PERFECT.
UM, SO IT'S HOW ABOUT THE CORKS ONE CAN ANSWER NOT TO CUT DOWN ON THE NOISE, RIGHT? SO, BUT SO WE, WE ARE, WE ARE WORKING WITH INDIVIDUALS, UM, A LOT OF THE ENGINEERS AND LAND PLANNERS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
UM, THEY DO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE CODE REQUIRES, UM, AND, AND ARE TRYING TO, CAUSE THAT ALSO HELPS THEM, UM, IN THEIR CALCULATIONS.
THAT MEANS THAT LESS, YOU KNOW, LESS DETENTION IS NECESSARY WHEN THEY CAN USE THOSE PERVIOUS PAPERS.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S TONS OF OPTIONS OUT THERE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL, THEY'LL, THEY'LL PRESENT IT AND, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS, AS LONG AS IT WORKS, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE ISSUES WITH IT.
AND MAYBE IT'S NOT FOR THIS, BUT JUST LIKE IN OTHER SITUATIONS YOU'VE SAID IF A MASTER PLAN CAN BE OPENED, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO.
UM, MAYBE THIS OUGHT TO BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR DISCUSSION PIECE TO SAY, WELL, IF IT'S GOING TO GET OPEN FOR REASON, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT PERVIOUS SURFACES.
SO THAT'S ALL, I THINK WE HAVE A COUPLE THINGS IN THE PLAN THAT TALK ABOUT KIND OF NEGOTIATING AND INFLUENCING PUD.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S HELPFUL TO HAVE WRITTEN AS A GOAL TO, TO, TO UPDATE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS? IS THAT NO TOO KIND OF WHENEVER POSSIBLE WORK WITH THEM AND SEEK OUT, SPEAKING WITH THEM TOO? YEAH.
I MEAN, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THAT IN THERE.
UM, LIKE, LIKE I SAY, IN THE MAJORITY OF THE ENGINEERS LAND PLANNERS THAT ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THESE PROJECTS, THEY ARE INCORPORATING THAT INTO THEIR DESIGN.
UM, AGAIN, SET THAT FINE LINE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS THAT ARE THERE, WHAT, WHAT THEY ARE ALLOWED AND CONTRACTUALLY TO DO.
UM, BUT FROM THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE OF THINGS THAT THEY ARE, THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.
BUT I DO, I SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING
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AND OUR LAST CHAPTER, THE NIGHT THAT YOU HEARING US, KYLE, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO MAKE THAT ONE OF THE GOALS IS TO, UM, WHENEVER A MASTER PLAN IS UP FOR RENEGOTIATION TO, UM, LOOK AT THESE KEY AREAS THAT HELP US WITH OUR, WITH OUR WATERSHED QUESTION, KEVIN, UM, ON OUR NEW STORE, THAT'S, NEWTON'S REGIONAL STORMWATER, UH, MANUAL, UH, IS THERE, I KNOW THAT THERE'S TREATMENT TRAINS THAT ARE PART OF THAT, THAT THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH, THAT THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE.UM, SO THEY'RE ADDRESSING WATER DIFFERENTLY.
DO THEY COVER IMPERVIOUS IMPERVIOUS MINIMUMS, MAXIMUMS, UH,
WE WE'VE KIND OF REDONE THE WAY WE LOOK AT, UH, HOW WE DO TREATMENT TRAINS AND, UH, WE COVERED UNDER STORM WATER VOLUME AND WATER QUALITY.
SO UNDER THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS AND DEVELOPMENT PLANS, THEY THAT ARE COMING IN, THEY HAVE TO MEET THE NEW STORMWATER ORDINANCE.
SO EVEN THOUGH THE 2004 MASTER PLAN CALLS FOR WHATEVER THEY HAVE TO MEET THE NEW STORM WATER PLANT.
SO WE COVER IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AREA.
WE COVER RUNOFF, WE COVER RETENTION, WE COVER, UH, NEW WAYS OF TREATING WATER, NOT JUST WITH ONE ON THIS ONE EXIT.
NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT MORE INFILTRATION, UH, REUSE, UH, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT THEY HAVE AVAILABLE.
SO IT, IT HAS CHANGED ALL OF THAT.
IS THERE A MAXIMUM PERCENTAGE OF IMPERVIOUS ALLOWED ON A DEVELOPMENT OR IS IT ALL JUST PART OF THE CALCULATION OF HAVING TO SLOW THAT WATER DOWN THROUGH THAT TREATMENT TRAINS I KNOW HAS TO DO WITH THE COMPLIANCE CALCULATOR SO THAT CALCULATOR TELLS THEM WHAT THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS ARE PER SITE.
AND THEIRS IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING WE SHOULD DO OFFLINE IF YOU WANT IT IN FAIRNESS TO THE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM, WE NEED TO KEEP IT TO, AND THIS COULD BE A TWO DAY DISCUSSION.