Aug 04, 2022 Town of Hilton Head Public Planning Committee

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>> GOOD MORNING. I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME YOU ALL TO THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE MEETING. GET AUGUST 4TH 2022.

>> ARE WE IN COMPLIANCE WITH FOUR? >> YES SIR WE ARE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL CALL? YES, SIR.

>> MR. BROWN HERE. THIS IS BECKER. YES, MR. STANFORD AND MR. AMES HERE. THANK YOU. MR. STANFORD IS OBVIOUSLY IN A

ROOM REMOTE LOCATION AND WE'RE TRYING TO PATCH HIM IN. >> I THINK YOU'LL BE ABLE TO JOIN US IN A MINUTE OR TWO IS ERM A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.

THANK YOU SIR. SECOND SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY RAISING YOUR RIGHT HAND. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY OR AT LEAST WITH THE THREE PRESENT QUESTION DO WE HAVE ANY REQUEST FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME. NO SIR WE DID NOT HAVE ANYONE SIGN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. I DIDN'T PROVIDE THE COMMITTEE WITH SOME WRITTEN COMMENTS YESTERDAY AT CLOSE OF BUSINESS. YES I WE DID RECEIVE THOSE. THANK YOU.

THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE CONSIDERATION OF A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE TOWN MANAGER TO ENTER INTO CONTRACTUAL ARRANGEMENTS FOR A BEACH PARKING MANAGEMENT SERVICES. IT SAYS IN OUR SUMMARY THE PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE SHOULD RECOMMEND TO THE TOWN COUNCIL THAT THE TOWN MANAGER BE AUTHORIZED TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACTUAL NEGOTIATIONS WITH PCI MUNICIPAL SERVICES TO PROVIDE BEACH PARKING OPERATIONS MANAGEMENT AND ENFORCEMENT SERVICES WITHIN AN AGREED UPON SCOPE OF SERVICES

AUTHORIZED BY THE TOWN COUNCIL. MR. GRUBER. >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN.

MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. I'M EXCITED TO BE HERE WITH YOU THIS MORNING.

AS YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING PROCESS FOR SOME TIME. JUST TO GIVE A KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND HISTORY SEVERAL YEARS AGO TOWN COUNCIL INSTRUCTED STAFF TO UNDERTAKE THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO MANAGE OUR BEACH PARKING SERVICE'S.

AS A RESULT OF THAT WE ENGAGED THE FIRM OF WALKER AND ASSOCIATES PREPARED A VERY COMPREHENSIVE AND DETAILED REPORT FOR US OUTLINING A LIST OF RECOMMENDATIONS AND STEPS THAT WE SHOULD TAKE IN TERMS OF IMPROVING OUR OVERALL SERVICE FOR BEACH PARKING CONSIDERING IMPOSING FEES FOR CHARGING OF BEACH PARKING AND LOOKING AT A NUMBER OF TECHNOLOGY AND INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS IN PROCESS.

WE MET BACK WITH THE COMMITTEE AT THAT TIME WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO DO TWO THINGS ONE ENGAGE MORE PUBLIC OUTREACH AND FEEDBACK WHICH WE HAVE DONE. WE CAN ALL OF THOSE COMMENTS AND WE'VE INCORPORATE THEM INTO OUR DECISION MAKING MATRIX IS AND TWO WE WERE ASKED TO ISSUE A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS TO IDENTIFY THE BEST SUITED FIRM TO WORK WITH US AND THE HILTON HEAD ISLAND COMMUNITY TO DEVELOP A COMPREHENSIVE BEACH PARKING PROGRAM.

AND SO I'M PLEASED TO BRING FORWARD TODAY THE FIRM STAFF HAS SELECTED FOR THAT PURPOSE WHICH IS PCI MUNICIPAL SERVICES. THE PRINCIPLES HERE TODAY OF THE FIRM AND WE'RE GOING TO TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER HIM IN JUST A MINUTE BUT ONE TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE REASONS WHY WE ARE SO EXCITED TO BRING THIS FIRM FORWARD PCI MUNICIPAL SERVICES FOCUSES EXACTLY ON THAT PROVIDING PARKING MANAGE TO MUNICIPALITIES AND THEY APPROACH EACH SITUATION WITH AN UNDERSTANDING IN EVERY JURISDICTION IS UNIQUE AND SO WE MAY TRY TO COMPARE OURSELVES TO MANY OTHER PLACES. AT THE DAY HILTON HEAD ISLAND, HILTON HEAD ISLAND AND SO WE NEED A PLAN THAT IS GOING TO BE TAILORED TO FIT ALL OF OUR NEW UNIQUE NEEDS DOWN TO THE LEVEL OF EACH INDIVIDUAL PARKING AREA AND SO THAT IS WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. THEY'VE WORKED WITH STAFF OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS TO REVIEW EACH OF OUR BEACH PARKING AREAS TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE NEED IN TERMS OF INFRASTRUCTURE, WHAT WE NEED IN TERMS OF TECHNOLOGY, WHAT WE NEED IN TERMS OF MANAGEMENT AND WHAT WE NEED IN TERMS OF ENFORCEMENT. AND SO THE GOAL TODAY IS TO BRING THEM FORWARD, LET THEM TALK WITH YOU ABOUT WHAT THEIR PROPOSED SCOPE OF SERVICES ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE DISCUSS WITH YOU AND ULTIMATELY IF THEIR SUPPORT TO MOVE THAT FORWARD TO COUNCIL DISCUSS WITH COUNSEL AND ONCE THAT SCOPE OF SERVICES IS FINALIZED, WE WILL USE THAT AS THE FOUNDATION FOR A CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT THAT WE WOULD ADMINISTRATIVELY WILL WORK ON EXECUTING AFTER THE AGREED UPON SCOPE OF SERVICE HAS BEEN FINALIZED WITH TOWN COUNCIL. SO WITH THAT I'M GOING TO TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO JACK AND LET HIM TAKE IT FROM THERE. THANK YOU. MORNING, JACK.

WELCOME TO NET ISLAND. GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY. PUT TOGETHER A LITTLE PRESENTATION TODAY MEANT TO BE A GUIDELINE FOR CONVERSATION. SO FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN AND ASK QUESTIONS AT ANY TIME. I'M TOTALLY WELCOME. THOSE IF WE CAN GET THIS THING

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SO TODAY WE WANTED TO COVER A FEW THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, WE WANT TO INTRODUCE OUR FIRM AND GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY, ASK ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE DO. ALSO TALK ABOUT THE CUSTOM PROGRAM APPROACH WE PUT TOGETHER FOR HILTON. NOW KEEP IN MIND WE VIEW OURSELVES AS A CONSULTANT AND PROGRAMS CHANGE OVER TIME. I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 30 YEARS AND THINGS EVOLVE.

PEOPLE IN YOUR SEATS MAY CHANGE. YOU GUYS MAY WIN THE LOTTERY OR DECIDE SOMETHING TO DO SOMETHING ELSE RIGHT. SO WE HAVE TO EVOLVE.

SO WE TRY AND BUILD A PROGRAM THAT CAN ADAPT AND CHANGE OVER TIME THINGS LIKE AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES THAT ARE COMING SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE. WE WANT TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT AND HELP OUR CLIENTS PREPARE FOR THAT AND THAT ALIGNS WITH THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE PUT TOGETHER TO ADDRESS YOUR IMMEDIATE CONCERNS. BUT ALSO WHAT ABOUT THE FUTURE? HOW ARE WE GOING TO DEAL WITH THINGS GOING FORWARD? VEHICLES ARE COMING REALLY FAST . HOW ARE WE GOING TO DEAL WITH THOSE? THEN WE PUT TOGETHER A FEW OPERATING DETAILS FOR SPECIFIC LOCATIONS AT STAFF AND WE HAVE DISCUSSED THAT I THINK WE'LL BE TOP PRIORITY TALK ABOUT THE TRANSITION VERY CRITICAL TO GET OFF ON A WITH THE COMMUNITY, THE LOCAL BUSINESSES AND MAKE SURE WE'RE ALIGNED AND COMMUNICATING PROPERLY ON EVERYTHING. AND THEN OF COURSE OPEN UP SOME

TIME FOR DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS. >> SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR FIRM JUST SAID WE ARE A MUNICIPAL PARKING COMPANY ONLY THE TWO GOOD LOOKING GENTLEMAN ON THE OUTSIDE OF ME OUT THERE, MY PARTNERS IN THE BUSINESS AND TOGETHER WE HAVE OVER 100 YEARS. I THINK THE PICTURE. GIL ON THE BTK I GUESS ON THE LEFT SIDE IS MORE RECENT THAN THE ONES IN THE MIDDLE AS YOU CAN TELL.

BUT OUR FOCUS IS REALLY ON QUALITY. WE WANT TO ONLY WORK WITH COMMUNITIES THAT WANT TO HAVE A QUALITY PROGRAM AND WANT TO INVEST IN IT AND RUN IT WELL AND TO DO THAT WE'VE GOT TO PUT OUR PEOPLE FIRST. I ALWAYS TELL OUR FOLKS WE HAVE A COUPLE HUNDRED EMPLOYEES NOW IT'S THEM THAT MATTER TO THE FOLKS THAT ARE OUT THERE IN THE PARKING LOTS CLEANING, TALKING TO CUSTOMERS, COLLECTING PAYMENTS, FIXING MACHINES, PICKING UP TRASH. THEY'RE REALLY THE COMPANY. SO WE'VE GOT TO PUT THEM AT THE FOREFRONT BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE THE ONES DEALING WITH THE COMMUNITY YOUR VISITORS AND YOUR AND YOUR RESIDENTS HERE. SO WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO TREAT THEM WELL, ALIGN THEM WITH EVERYONE'S INTERESTS AND MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE FOCUS IS AND THAT COMES FROM FROM Y'ALL DOWN TO THE STAFF IN ORDER TO DO THIS IN A HIGH LEVEL WE HAVE A COMMITMENT WHERE WE'LL HAVE ONE REGIONAL MANAGER DEDICATED TO EACH FIVE OF OUR CLIENT'S.

YOU PROBABLY AREN'T AWARE OF THIS BUT THAT'S UNHEARD OF . OUR INDUSTRY USUALLY THOSE STARTING POSITIONS WOULD OVERSEE HUNDREDS OF LOCATIONS WHICH DOESN'T GIVE THEM ADEQUATE TIME TO GET INVOLVED. STAY INVOLVED. SUPPORT BE AVAILABLE.

WE ANSWER OUR PHONES. AND ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT WORKING WITH US YOU CAN CALL BRIAN MYSELF OR GIL AT ANY GIVEN TIME WILL ANSWER THE PHONE AND WE'LL GET ANSWERS FOR YOU. WE HAVE EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE OPEN UP MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS.

I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 30 YEARS. I'VE WORKED WITH HUNDREDS OF MUNICIPALITIES ALL OVER NORTH AND SOUTH AMERICA. I'VE STARTED UP PROGRAMS FROM SCRATCH. I'VE TRANSITIONED THEM FROM PUBLIC TO PRIVATE.

I'VE GOT A LOT OF LET'S SAY EXPERIENCE IN THAT AREA AND THEN ALIGNING RIGHT SIZE TECHNOLOGY IS SO CRITICAL TODAY THAT WE DO THE RIGHT THING. AND I'LL GET INTO THAT IN GREAT DETAIL A LITTLE BIT LATER. WHAT IS THE RIGHT TECHNOLOGY FOR YOUR COMMUNITY IN YOUR PARKING PROGRAM? JUST A BRIEF VIEW HERE. SOME OF OUR MUNICIPAL CLIENTS YOU CAN SEE THAT SOMEONE HAD BEEN WITH THE COMPANY FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

YOU ALSO SEE THAT WE'VE ADDED QUITE A FEW RECENTLY. IN FACT YOU CAN ADD CHATTANOOGA TO THAT LIST. WE ARE OPENING THAT OPERATION ON NOVEMBER 1ST.

OKLAHOMA CITY IS ACTUALLY OPENING TODAY. SO I'M CATCHING A FLIGHT OUT THERE TONIGHT TO JOIN MY COLLEAGUES OUT THERE FOR THAT TRANSITION.

BUT WE'RE GROWING QUICKLY BECAUSE OUR MESSAGE IS RESONATING WITH MUNICIPALITIES.

THEY DON'T WANT A COMMODITY SERVICE. THEY WANT PERSONAL ATTENTION FROM HIGH LEVEL PEOPLE THAT KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT .

IN ESSENCE. SO I JUST SAID WE WE VIEW EVERY OPERATION, EVERY CLIENT AS A CUSTOM A BOUTIQUE. HOW ARE WE GOING TO IDENTIFY THE SPECIFIC NEEDS THAT THE PROGRAM CAN BE SUCCESSFUL FOR EACH COMMUNITY? AND IT'S VERY COOL BECAUSE WHEN WE LOOKED AT YOUR WEB SITE AND THE CORE VALUES THAT YOU POSTED OUT TO YOUR COMMUNITY ALIGN VERY WELL WITH WHAT WE LIKE TO DO AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO HERE WITH YOU PURSUIT OF EXCELLENCE, STATE OF ART I THINK IN ALL REALITY IF THE PLAN THAT WE PROPOSE GOES FORWARD YOU'LL HAVE ONE OF THE MOST SOPHISTICATED PARKING PROGRAMS IN THE COUNTRY.

YOU'LL HAVE DATA THAT IS VERY TRANSPARENT, VERY OPEN. THERE'S ACCOUNTABILITY AT ALL LEVELS. IT'S GOING TO BE VERY COOL TO BE A PART OF UNDERSTANDING A STARTUP. THIS IS A BIG TRANSITION. YOU ALREADY HAVE PAID PARKING PROGRAM. YOU ALREADY HAVE A PERMANENT PROGRAM.

WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE MOVING THAT FORWARD WHERE IT'S MORE CONVENIENT, MORE EFFICIENT

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YOU HAVE TO BRAND THE PROGRAM. I ALWAYS BELIEVE IN THAT PARK HHS SUGGESTION THAT WE HAVE.

THERE HAS TO BE A NAME ASSOCIATED WITH THE SERVICE AND WE NECESSARILY DON'T WANT TO LIMIT THIS JUST TO PARKING BECAUSE IT'S REALLY PARKING AND TRANSPORTATION.

HOW ARE WE GETTING PEOPLE TO PARKING LOTS? HOW ARE WE ALIGNING WITH THE TROLLEY SERVICE THAT YOU ALREADY OFFER? WE NEED TO COMMUNICATE EFFICIENTLY ACROSS THE WHOLE BOARD OF TRANSPORTATION SPECIFICALLY FOR.

FOR YOUR COMMUNITY. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE RESIDENTIAL PARKING PROGRAM IS KEY. WE'VE GOT A GREAT IDEA FOR HOW TO MAKE THAT MORE EFFICIENT CONVENIENT FOR THE CITIZENS, MORE CONTROLLED, MAKE SURE THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THE SPACES THAT YOU'VE COMMITTED TO THEM ADDRESSING TOURISTS AND VISITORS NEED.

HOW DO WE MAKE IT A WELCOMING PARKING PROGRAM THAT'S EASY FOR THEM TO USE, EASY TO FIND PARKING SPACES AND THEN THE CHALLENGE IS HAPPENING ALL OVER OUR COUNTRY.

HOW DO WE DEAL SHORT TERM RENTALS? IT'S A BIG CHANGE.

MUCH LIKE UBER AND LYFT AFFECTED AIRPORTS THE RBA AND AIR B AND B OF AFFECTED COMMUNITIES LIKE YOURS. SO I SAID THESE WORDS ALREADY EASY AND CONVENIENT IS SUPER

IMPORTANT. >> WE DON'T WANT TO ENCUMBER PEOPLE, CONFUSE THEM, FRUSTRATE THEM IN THE PROCESS PARKING. SO WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED IS WHAT WE SAY FRICTIONLESS PARKING PROGRAM WHERE THEY CAN PARK THEIR CAR AND GET OUT AND NOT HAVE TO NECESSARILY STOP IN A MACHINE OR TALK TO ANYBODY THEY CAN PAY FOR THEIR PARKING QUICKLY AND BE ON THEIR WAY.

WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND YOUR CUSTOMERS AS I ALREADY MENTIONED, THE KEY GROUPS THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS HERE ARE THE RESIDENTS AND THE TOURISTS AND THEN ALSO THE FOLKS THAT COME VIA SHORT TERM RENTALS. SO ONE OF THE CORE TECHNOLOGIES THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED IS A MOBILE PAYMENT SOLUTION. SO THIS TO BE THE PRIMARY WAY THAT THE VISITORS TO THE COMMUNITY WOULD PAY FOR THEIR PARKING AND IF YOU'D LIKE, CAN I APPROACH THAT? ALL RIGHT. IF YOU'D LIKE. THESE ARE ACTUALLY HOUSE AND SO THE WAY THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO PAY IS THEY'LL EITHER TEXT HRH CB TO THAT NUMBER UP THERE AND THAT'S DESIGNATED FOR THE CALLIGNEE PARKING LOT. THAT'S HOW WE'VE SET THAT UP.

BUT EACH LOT COULD HAVE ITS OWN CODE . THE OTHER OPTION IS MUCH SIMPLER YOU JUST SCAN THAT QR CODE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SIGN HERE AND WILL INITIATE THE PAYMENT TRANSACTION. JACK, IS THIS DIMENSION? WHAT WOULD BE IN THE FIELD? IS THAT WHY YOU'RE HANDING TO US? THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO AHEAD AND SCAN THAT AND IF ANYONE WANTS TO EXPERIENCE THAT PROCESS JUST.

HOW IS A CAR ENTERING A PARKING LOT GOING TO GET THIS INFORMATION? SO TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS THE SIGNS WE PLACED AROUND THE PARKING LOT.

IS THIS THE SIGN THAT YOU PLACE AROUND PARKING LOT? THIS COULD BE ONE.

I MEAN THAT'S THAT'S THE DIMENSION I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A CHARITY EVENT.

WELL, WE WORK WITH STAFF ON THE FINAL LAYOUT FOR THE SIGNS AND GET APPROVAL.

THIS WAS JUST A PRELIMINARY DRAFT SIGN. YES.

SO ONCE THE CUSTOMERS PAID FOR PARKING, IF THEY'VE IF THEY'VE ALREADY USED THE SYSTEM, THE NEXT TIME THEY COME IN AND ENTER THEIR CELL PHONE THEY'RE ALREADY GOING TO BE IN THE SYSTEM. SO IT'S VERY CONVENIENT YOU CAN PAY FOR YOUR PARKING IN A MATTER OF SECONDS. THIS CAN BE SETUP AT VARIABLE RATE CODES WHATEVER STAFF IS APPROVED ON THE RATES. SO YOU CAN HAVE EACH HOUR WHATEVER EACH DAY, WHATEVER PARAMETER YOU WANT. IT ALSO GIVES YOU THE CAPABILITY BUYING A FULL DAY OF PARKING. AND IF IT'S DECIDED YOU CAN ALSO HAVE IT WHERE I COULD PURCHASE PARKING IN ONE AREA BUT ALLOW ME TO PARK IN MULTIPLE AREAS.

SO IT GIVES YOU A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY IN HOW YOU USE THE TECHNOLOGY.

NOW THE KEY TO ALL OF THESE SYSTEMS IS THAT WE'RE USING VIRTUAL PERMITTING AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS WE'RE NOT USING TICKETS OR HANG TAGS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

WE'RE USING THE LICENSE PLATE VEHICLE AS THAT IS THE AS A CREDENTIAL THE MATTER OF RECORD. SO WE'LL KNOW BASED ON THE LICENSE PLATES OF THE VEHICLES PARKED IN THE LOT. WHO'S PAID? WHO'S A PERMIT HOLDER? AND SO IT ALLOWS FOR A VERY CONTROLLED AND ACCURATE MANAGEMENT OF THE SYSTEM.

WITH THE TAX PARK SOLUTION, WE ALSO HAVE VALIDATION CAPABILITY AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE KEY FOR THE COMMUNITY AND SOME OF THE BUSINESSES MAY CHOOSE TO VALIDATE FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS PARKING OK. AND THAT'LL BE VERY SIMPLE. ANOTHER SIGN THAT CAN BE PLACED INSIDE THE BUSINESSES OR HERE IN STAFF WHEREVER YOU WANT TO PUT SIGNS LIKE THIS THAT CAN BE ASSIGNED A VALIDATION ACCOUNT. AND AGAIN THEY WILL SIMPLY COME IN.

SCAN THE QR CODE ON THE SIGN AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO VALIDATE THAT PARKING.

AND THAT COULD BE DONE IN MANAGING IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS.

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THEY COULD LITERALLY GO ONLINE, SIGN UP FOR A PERMIT. THERE'S WAYS WITHIN THE SYSTEM TO PROVE THAT THERE ARE RESIDENTS WE APPROVE THE PERMIT AND IT CAN ALL BE DONE VIRTUALLY IN A MATTER OF SECONDS ONLINE INCLUDING THE COLLECTION OF ANY PAYMENTS THAT ARE DUE FOR THOSE PERMITS. THE SYSTEM WOULD ALSO ALLOW FOR PEOPLE IF THEIR NEPHEW OR SISTER IS COMING INTO TOWN THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO USE THIS SYSTEM TO REGISTER WHATEVER VERSUS VISITOR PERMITS THAT YOU ALL HAVE APPROVED FOR THE PROGRAM.

AGAIN, THE GOAL HERE IS TO USE THE LICENSE PLATE AS A CREDENTIAL WHICH ALLOWS US TO EFFECTIVELY MONITOR ALL OF THAT PERMIT USE IN THE FACILITIES AND WE'LL ACTUALLY KNOW WHICH RESIDENTS ARE USING PARKING IN CERTAIN LOTS. HOW OFTEN ARE THEY USING IT? ALL OF THAT DATA WILL BE AVAILABLE TO YOU AS YOU GO FORWARD MAKING DECISIONS.

THE OTHER PIECE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL PARKING PROGRAM AND I'LL GET TO IT ON THE NEXT SLIDE IS WE PROPOSE THE TECHNOLOGY TO PROTECT THE RESIDENTS SPACES FOR THE RESIDENTS AND THIS CAN BE DONE WITH A SENSOR. SO A SIMPLE SENSOR PUT IN EACH PARKING SPACE WILL ALLOW US TO KNOW THAT THAT SPACE IS CURRENTLY BEING USED AND WE CAN ALSO IDENTIFY WHO'S USING THAT SPACE. SO IF SOMEONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A RESIDENTIAL PERMIT PULLS INTO ONE OF THOSE SPACES, WE'LL ALSO BE ALERTED THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH THAT PROMPTLY ON THE SENSORS. HERE'S WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE A LITTLE BLACKED OUT AND THOSE WILL BE MOUNTED INTO THE ASPHALT.

AND AS I SAID, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO TELL US IN REAL TIME IF A CAR IS PRESENT OR NOT IN THAT SPACE. SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE REAL TIME OCCUPANCY AND AVAILABILITY OF PARKING. SO ANY OF THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE THINKING OF GOING TO ISLANDERS OR WHICHEVER LOT THEY THEY'RE GOING TO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GO ON AND CHECK TO SEE IF THERE'S ACTUALLY AVAILABLE SPACES IN THAT LOG WHEN THEY'RE HEADED THERE.

IF THERE'S NOT. MAYBE THEY DELAY THEIR TRIP OR THEY GO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND PARK FOR THAT DAY. THE WAY WE IDENTIFY WHICH VEHICLES PARKED IN THAT SPACE CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH BLUETOOTH. MOST EVERYONE HAS A CELL PHONE TODAY WHICH HAS BLUETOOTH CAPABILITY SO THE RESIDENTS WOULD LITERALLY BE ABLE TO PULL INTO THE SPACE AND THROUGH AN APP THEY'LL BE ABLE TO CHECK IN FOR THE PARKING AND REGISTER THAT THEY'RE THE PERSON USING THAT SPACE. SO THE OTHER OPTION FOR THOSE THAT DON'T WANT TO HAVE A CELL PHONE OR DON'T HAVE A CELL PHONE WOULD BE TO GIVE A BLUETOOTH TAG AND THAT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY BE RECOGNIZED BY THAT SENSOR.

SO THE TAG WOULD BE IN THEIR CAR. THEY PULL OVER THE SENSOR AND THE SYSTEM WOULD AUDIBLY AUTOMATICALLY RECOGNIZE THAT JACK WAS PARKED IN THAT SPOT.

SO THE OTHER FEATURE THAT IS AVAILABLE HERE IS THROUGH THIS TECHNOLOGY WHERE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SET UP RESERVATIONS. SO IF YOU WANTED TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO RESERVE A SPACE, THE SYSTEM WOULD KNOW THAT SPACE 17 WAS RESERVED FOR JACK AND ONLY JACK TO PARK THEIR.

SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE CAPABLE WITH THIS TECHNOLOGY YOU'RE TRYING TO OFFER A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY HERE ON THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE. WE'RE PROPOSING CAMERA BASED SYSTEM AND THE CAMERAS WOULD BE A COMBINATION MOBILE CAMERAS THAT WOULD BE MOUNTED ON A VEHICLE. AND AS THE VEHICLES PATROL THE LOTS THEY WOULD BE CAPTURING THESE LICENSE PLATES AND DOING A COMPARISON OF CARS PARKED VERSUS CARS THAT HAVE PAID VIA TEXT OR TEXT APART OR THEY HAVE A PERMANENT IN THAT LOT OR IT MAY BE A REGISTERED VEHICLE OR

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SO ON THE LARGER LOTS WHERE YOU HAVE A COUPLE HUNDRED THREE OR FOREIGNER SPACES YOU'LL BE ABLE TO TELL IN ANY GIVEN TIME HOW MANY CARS ARE USING THAT PARKING PROVIDE AVAILABILITY OF SPACES TO THE PUBLIC FOR FOLKS THAT ARE PARKED WITHOUT PAYMENT.

YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF OPTIONS ON ENFORCEMENT. OUR SUGGESTION ESPECIALLY WHEN THE PROGRAM IS NEW IS TO ISSUE PAYMENT REMINDERS OR WARNINGS TO FOLKS THAT HAVEN'T PAID YET.

GIVE THEM ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO GO INTO THE SYSTEM AND MAKE PAYMENT.

WE TYPICALLY SUGGESTS THAT THERE IS NO FINE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PROCESS.

THE GOAL OF ENFORCEMENT IS REALLY COMPLIANCE. LET'S GET EVERYONE TO FOLLOW THE RULES. AND THAT WAY WE'LL ALL SING KUMBAYA AT THE END OF THE DAY.

BUT TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN THERE HAS TO BE SOME TEETH IN THE EQUATION FOR FOLKS THAT REFUSE TO PAY OR FOLLOW THE RULES WHERE THEY WILL BE ISSUED A FINE FOR FOR OFFENSES AND THAT CAN BE TOTALLY CONTROLLED BY THE POLICIES THAT YOU PASS. WE CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE DOING ON THIS FRONT. IF SOMEONE DOES GET IT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO GO ONLINE AND PAY THAT TICKET. THEY CAN DO THAT FROM THEIR CELL PHONE OR OR THEY CAN COME TO AN OFFICE WHICH WE WILL HAVE HERE LOCALLY AND MAKE THAT PAYMENT OR MAIL AND TRY AND MAKE IT AS CONVENIENT FOR EVERYONE AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.

SO HERE'S THE HIGH TECH PIECE OF IT. THERE'S A LOT OF TECHNOLOGY THAT I JUST LAID OUT HERE AND IT'S ALL RESIDES ON DIFFERENT SYSTEMS. THE CENTRAL SYSTEM IS CALLED VERGE AND VERGE WOULD BE ABLE TO PULL IN ALL OF THAT DATA IN REAL TIME INTO ONE PLATFORM AND FROM THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE DASHBOARDS TO ALL OF STAFF AND THE COUNCIL AND IT CAN PROVIDE REAL TIME UTILIZATION OF YOUR PARKING.

THEY'LL TELL YOU HOW MANY CARS ARE PARKED ALONG THEIR PART, HOW MANY UNIQUE VEHICLES ARE PARKED. IT COULD EVEN TELL YOU HOW MANY OUT STAY WHERE THEY'RE FROM.

ALL OF THAT INFORMATION COULD BE AVAILABLE TO YOU AND THOSE THAT IS A GREAT BASELINE FOR MAKING POLICY. DO WE NEED MORE PARKING IS A TYPICAL QUESTION RIGHT? WE'LL ALSO BE ABLE TO CENTRALIZE ALL THIS DATA TO TO TELL THE PUBLIC WHERE THEY CAN FIND PARKING AT ANY GIVEN TIME. THE SYSTEM WILL ALSO MINIMIZE THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS AND CREATE BETTER CONTROL VERY LIMITED CASH HANDLING HERE ALMOST ALL PAYMENTS ARE GOING TO BE MADE ONLINE THROUGH CREDIT CARDS SO ALL OF THAT WILL BE VERY TRANSPARENT.

THERE REALLY WON'T BE A NEED FOR A HIGH LEVEL AUDITING OF PARKING REVENUES.

SO TO GIVE YOU A GREAT COMFORT LEVEL ON THAT FRONT IN ALL OF THIS DATA.

CAN BE PUSHED TO THE PUBLIC THROUGH A MOBILE APP SPOT PARKING IS ONE THAT WE RECOMMEND. THIS IS A WAY FINDING APP SO ANYONE COMING DOWN HERE A RESIDENT CAN USE THIS APP TO FIND AVAILABLE PARKING AT ANY GIVEN TIME AND THEY CAN PICK ALL OF THE AVAILABLE LOTS THAT HAVE PARKING. AND FROM THE APP THEY'LL ALSO BE ABLE TO CLICK THROUGH AND GET DIRECTIONS TO THAT PARKING LOT AND ALSO CLICK THROUGH TO MAKE PAYMENT FOR THEIR PARKING . AND SEE ALL THE DIFFERENT

PAYMENT OPTIONS THERE. >> ONE OF THE GOALS THAT WAS PUT FORTH BY WALKER WAS TO MITIGATE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC AND FOLKS WANDERED AROUND TRYING TO FIND PARKING WHEN EVERYTHING'S FULL. AND THIS APP IS A GREAT TOOL FOR DOING THAT.

WE'RE TRYING TO MITIGATE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC WHICH OF COURSE EQUATES TO POLLUTION AND THE LESS TRAFFIC WE HAVE THE MORE SAFE IT IS. AS I DRIVE THROUGH THE COMMUTE, I'M ALWAYS COGNIZANT OF ALL THE BIKES COMING AROUND. YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE YOUR EYES OUT OF DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS HERE TO BE SAFE. THERE IS ALSO AN OPTION TO PUSH THIS INFORMATION TO SIGNAGE COULD BE SIGNAGE AT THE LOT THAT WOULD SHOW AVAILABLE OCCUPANCY WHEN THEY PULL IN IF THEY HAVEN'T USED THE APP OR IT COULD ALSO BE PUT FOR WAY FINDING ON THE STREETS IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN WANTED TO CONSIDER.

SO THE GOAL HERE IS TO ENHANCE THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE, GET THE PEOPLE TO THE PARKING LOT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, KNOW THAT THEY'LL FIND A SPACE WHEN THEY GET THERE AND BE ABLE TO MAKE THEIR PAYMENT THROUGH ONE PROCESS. ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I GO

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OR RESPOND TO THE SPECIFICS OF YOUR PRESENTATION. >> SO LET'S CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD. ALTHOUGH WITHOUT SOME OF THAT INFORMATION RIGHT WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A YES OR NO TO MOVE FORWARD. SO I THINK SOME OF THAT DISCUSSION MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE AND I'M TRYING TO STEP ON ANYONE'S TOES BUT THERE IS I THINK THERE QUESTIONS IN MY MIND THAT I'D LIKE TO GET RESPONSES TO OR AT LEAST EXPRESS WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE. THE CHAIR I'M SORRY IF OVER STEPPED BACK PLEASE.

JACK, YOU'RE IN. ALL RIGHT. >> SO AGAIN, GOING THROUGH SOME OF THE KEY LOCATIONS ALL THEIR LANE IS POPULAR ISLANDER PARKING.

CURRENTLY THERE IS TWENTY THREE PARKING SPACES THERE WITH METERS.

AND THE PLAN HERE WOULD BE TO REMOVE THOSE METERS, REDUCE THE PHYSICAL CLUTTER ON THE LOTS AND THE COST OF THE OPERATION. AND HERE LIKE MANY OF THE LIGHTS WE USE THE TAX TO PARK AS THE PRIMARY PAYMENT FOR PAYING FOR DAILY PARKING. WE COULD ALSO THROUGH THE PARK LINK SYSTEM OFFER PERMITS FOR THIS SLOT. THEY COULD BE DESIGNATED FOR THE LOT OR DESIGNATED GENERAL PERMITS WHERE THEY COULD PARK IN THE SLOT.

THIS IS ONE OF THE SMALLER ONES. SO ONES THAT WE WOULD SUGGEST USING THE MOBILE NPR FOR CONTROL AND MONITORING OF THE LANE ENFORCEMENT BERG SPEECH HAS A LOT OF PARKING SPACES FOR COMMUNITY AND AS EVERYONE IS AWARE WE HAVE THE YOUTH SPORTS WHICH USES THOSE LOTS. QUITE A BIT. AND SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN DETAIL WITH STAFF. WE KNOW THAT THE SPORTS SEASONS TYPICALLY END BEFORE THE PEAK TOURIST SEASON COMES TO THE ISLAND. BUT WE DO WANT TO BE COGNIZANT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT DISRUPTING THE FAMILIES THAT ARE USING USING THE PARK FOR THE SPORTS ACTIVITIES. SO WE COULD DO A PERMITTING PROGRAM TIED IN WITH THE REGISTRATION OF THOSE PROGRAMS THAT WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE TO REGISTER THEIR VEHICLES.

SO WE WOULD MAKE IT HASSLE FREE WHEN THEY DO PARK INTO LINE AS SOME FORM OF PAYMENT.

AGAIN WE WOULD USE THE TEXT THE PARK PROCESS FOR IT FOR PAYMENT THERE.

NOW THIS IS ONE OF THE LARGER FACILITIES SO WE WOULD USE RECOMMEND USING STATIONARY NPR.

WE'D MOUNT THOSE CAMERAS AT THE ENTRANCES AND EXITS OF THE PARKING AREA.

AGAIN, THAT WOULD GIVE US COMPLETE OCCUPANCY. HOW MANY SPACES ARE AVAILABLE ALL THAT INFORMATION. AND WE'D BE ABLE TO DO THE DIRECT ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE WE WOULD KNOW WHEN PEOPLE ARE PARK THERE THAT HAVEN'T PAID OR HAVE A PERMIT AND JUST DON'T HAVE IT. IF I DIDN'T SAY IT BEFORE HOW WE DO THE TEXAS THE PARK ON THE STATIONARY LOTS IS IF A CUSTOMER PULLS INTO A LOT. THEY'RE RECOGNIZED.

THEY'RE PUT IN INVENTORY. THAT PLATE IS AND WE GIVE THEM A GRACE PERIOD TO MAKE PAYMENT.

SO THAT CAN BE ADJUSTED ANY GIVEN TIME. TYPICALLY WE DO 15 30 MINUTES BEFORE THEY MAKE PAYMENT OF FOLLY BEACH AS 50 FOR PARKING SPACES.

AND AGAIN THE PROCESS HERE WOULD BE TO REMOVE THE EXISTING PARKING METERS FROM THAT LOCATION AND WE WOULD USE TEXT TO PARK AS THE MEANS FOR COLLECTING THE DAILY PARKING THEIR FISH ALL 48 SPACES. AND THIS IS TALKING WITH STAFF. THIS IS ONE OF THE LOTS THAT WE THOUGHT COULD BE DESIGNATED FOR FREE PARKING FOR THOSE FOLKS THAT CHOSE TO PARK THERE AND NOT PAY THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION. WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT USING A GATE SYSTEM TO CONTROL THAT LOT AFTER HOURS. SO WHAT THAT WOULD DO IS A CERTAIN TIME THE GATES WOULD AUTOMATICALLY CLOSE. SO PEOPLE COULDN'T COME INTO THE PARKING LOT BUT IF THEY WERE ALREADY IN THE LINE THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO EXIT THE GATE WOULD AUTOMATICALLY OPEN WHEN THEY PULLED UP TO IT. SO IT WAS HELPED SOLVE SOME OF THE CONTROL PROBLEMS SECURITY PROBLEMS KEEP PEOPLE FROM PARKING THERE AFTER THE PARK'S CLOSED DRESS AND BEACH 206 PARKING SPACES ON THIS LOT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE 28 RESIDENT PARKING SPACES DESIGNATED. OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD PUT THOSE SENSORS IN THOSE SPACES AGAIN SO WE CAN PROTECT THOSE SPACES FOR THEIR DESIGNATED USE OF ALLOWING ONLY RESIDENTS TO PARK THERE. THE OTHER OPPORTUNITY HERE IS THERE IS SHUTTLE PARKING SPACES IN THE LOT AND A LOT OF SHUTTLES DROP OFF GROUPS HERE.

SO WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO CONTROL AND ACCOMMODATE THOSE SHUTTLES THAT COULD BE SET UP SEPARATELY WHETHER IT'S DECIDED TO BE PAID OR PERMITTED, THOSE SHUTTLES WOULD HAVE TO REGISTER AND MAKE PAYMENT AND THEN THERE'S THREE SHUTTLE DESIGNATED SHUTTLE SPACES THERE

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WE DON'T WANT TO SHUTTLE THE PULL UP THERE AND NOT HAVE A PROPER SPOT TO PARK IN AND THAT ENDS UP CAUSING TROUBLE THERE SO WE COULD ACCOMMODATE THE SHUTTLE PARKING THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS WHETHER IT BE PERMITS OR TEXT THE PARK TO USE THAT LOT ISLANDERS BEACH.

I DROVE IN THERE THIS MORNING AND WAS GREETED BY TOWN STAFF ASKING IF I HAD A PERMIT.

OF COURSE I SAID NO, WE CAN ELIMINATE THE NEED TO DO THAT BY USING THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE'VE PROPOSED HERE WE ARE AT ONE HUNDRED FIFTY NINE SPACES AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE DO SENSORS THERE THAT ARE FOR RESIDENTS ONLY AND THIS WOULD PROVIDE AS I SAID BEFORE COMPLETE TRANSPARENCY ON HOW THE LIGHTS BEING USED, HOW OFTEN PEOPLE ARE USING THE LOT, HOW MANY AVAILABLE SPACES IN ANY GIVEN TIME FOR THE WAY FINDING PURPOSES.

THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY I'D LIKE TO DIRECT QUESTION BECAUSE I WONDER SPEECH HAS BEEN SUCH A PROBLEM. SO WHILE I HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING ABOUT ISLANDER SPEECH IN PARTICULAR WHEN YOU APPROACH THIS MORNING YOU ASKED DO YOU HAVE A PERMIT? AND THIS PROGRAM WOULD ALLOW US, AS YOU SAID, TO REMOVE THAT PERSON FROM ASKING THAT QUESTION. HOWEVER, IF SOMEONE DOESN'T HAVE A PERMIT AND THEY GO IN A PARK GRANTED YOUR SENSOR WILL PICK THAT UP.

WHAT IS THE TIME FRAME BEFORE THAT PERSON WITHOUT A PERMIT WHO IS NOW PARKED GETS REMOVED? WELL, OUR STAFF WOULD BE ALERTED IMMEDIATELY IF SOMEONE WAS PARKED THERE ILLEGALLY.

AND SO THEN WE HAVE THE OPTION OF ENFORCEMENT. WHAT IS THE PROCESS WE WANT TO GO THROUGH? ARE WE GOING TO ISSUE A CITATION TO THEM? ARE WE GOING TO HAVE THEM BOOTED OR TOWED? I PERSONALLY PREFER BOOTING.

THERE IS SOME SELF RELEASING BOOT TECHNOLOGY OUT THERE THAT DOESN'T REMOVE THEM FROM THAT SPACE WHICH SO THERE'S KIND OF PROS AND CONS TOWING WOULD GET THE CAR OUT OF THEIR BOOTS AND I THINK WE'D GET THE MESSAGE ACROSS THAT YOU SHOULDN'T BE HERE AND HOPEFULLY THAT'LL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. SO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF OPTIONS ON HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT.

>> SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT THAT MAKES SENSE AND ON SOME LEVEL. BUT UNDERSTANDING OUR ISLANDERS ,OUR RESIDENTS NEED FOR THOSE SPACES AND THAT THOSE ARE LIMITED TO BEGIN WITH ANY TIME DELAY OR SOMEONE WHO'S LOOKING WHO'S A RESIDENT PERMITTED RESIDENT LOOKING FOR A SPOT AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT DEBATING THE INS AND OUTS OF THIS NOW. SURE.

BUT THIS IS WILL AND PARTICULARLY SENSITIVE AREA. SO A DIFFERENT PLAN IN MY MIND ALREADY WOULD BE NECESSARY FOR SPECIFICALLY ISLANDERS SPEECH. SO WE MAY NOT NECESSARILY ALWAYS BE ABLE TO REMOVE THAT IMMEDIATE INQUIRY AND THAT'S JUST IN PROTECTION OF WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO FOR OUR RESIDENTS. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING A LITTLE BIT OF THAT FOR ME AND ALLOWING ME TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING JUST THAT LOOKING OUT FOR OUR RESIDENTS. ABSOLUTELY. AND LET ME SAY AGAIN THAT WE'RE WE'RE HERE TO WORK WITH THE TOWN AND IF IT REQUIRES RUN INTO THE SAME WAY IT IS TODAY, WE'RE TOTALLY FINE WITH THAT. SO IF WE NEED TO HAVE STAFF THERE, WE CAN DO THAT.

>> OK. CALLIGNEE BEACH PARK THE LARGEST ONE 512 SPACES AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS THERE'S A LOT OF RETAIL COMPONENTS AROUND THE AREA, DIFFERENT BUSINESSES. AND SO ONE OF THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HERE IS PERHAPS OFFERING ONE HOUR OF FREE PARKING IN THIS LOT. THE SYSTEM WOULD BE CONTROLLED THROUGH THE STATIONARY CAMERAS AT THE ENTRANCE. SO BASICALLY WE WOULD GIVE EVERYONE A ONE HOUR GRACE PERIOD. NOW IF THEY KNEW THEY WERE GOING TO THE BEACH AND THEY WERE GOING TO BE MUCH LONGER THAN THAT, THEY WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE ABLE TO GO AHEAD AND PAY. BUT THE PEOPLE WITH THAT ONE HOUR GRACE PERIOD IF THEY WERE RUNNING INTO ONE OF THE RETAIL SHOPS OR JUST GO INTO THE PARK FOR 45 MINUTES, WHATEVER THE CASE WOULD BE, THEY WOULD BE ACCOMMODATED WITHOUT HAVING TO PAY UNDER THAT SCENARIO.

THE OTHER THING THAT WE NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF IS THE EMPLOYEE PARKING FOR THE AREA GETTING EMPLOYEES TODAY IS VERY HARD. WE DON'T WANT TO COMPLICATE THAT ISSUE ANY FURTHER BY MAKING PARKING A CHALLENGE FOR THEM. WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH A LOT OF OUR MUNICIPAL CLIENTS FOR THE RETAIL AND HOSPITALITY EMPLOYEES IS THAT WE HAVE A SPECIAL PROGRAM FOR THEM A TYPICAL DISCOUNTED PROGRAM AND WE DESIGNATE AREAS FOR THEIR PARKING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THEM THAT WE'RE NOT DISRUPTING THE BUSINESSES.

SO THAT IS ALSO SOMETHING WE CAN WORK WITH STAFF ON TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT ACCOMMODATES THE NEEDS. THE OTHER CHALLENGE HERE IS WHEN YOU HAVE PAID PARKING NEXT TO FREE PARKING SOME PEOPLE WILL DO WE CALL BLEED OVER, THEY WILL BLEED OVER INTO THE

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SO THAT'S THE CHALLENGE THAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER WITH THE BUSINESSES AND THE LANDOWNERS IN THE AREA TO COME UP WITH A SYSTEM THAT MAKES SENSE AGAIN. I THINK EVERYONE'S GOAL IS TO, YOU KNOW, OFFER THE VISITORS AND THE RESIDENTS HERE A CONSISTENT APPROACH TO PARKING.

SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THOSE BUSINESSES TO COME UP WITH A PROGRAM THAT MAKES SENSE ON THEIR PROPERTY AS WELL AS OURS AS WELL AS THE TOWNS.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE THE EVENTS. SOME OF THE BIG EVENTS IN THE TOWN WING FEST AND OYSTER FAST THE VARIOUS CONCERTS THAT ARE HELD THERE.

ALL OF THAT WILL HAVE TO BE MANAGED WITHIN THE PROGRAM WHETHER IT'S PAID OR UNPAID THAT CAN ALL BE MANAGED THROUGH THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE'VE PUT FORTH.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE DISCUSSED HERE IS GATE CONTROLS.

SO AFTER HOURS WE WOULD BE ABLE TO BLOCK ACCESS TO THE LOTS AGAIN ALLOWING PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE LOT AFTER HOURS TO FREE FLOW OUT WITHOUT INTERRUPTION.

SO OUR APPROACH IS OBVIOUSLY REQUIRES A GOOD ONSITE TEAM AND WE ARE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO PRESENT MATT TRUE LA. HE'S ANXIOUSLY AWAITING THE OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE TO HILTON.

MATT HAS OVER 10 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH THE MUNICIPALITIES.

I PERSONALLY SUPERVISE MATT IN A NUMBER OF OPERATIONS AND VERY VERY LARGE ONES.

ONE OF THEM AND THAT 48000 SPACES. SO HE'S GOT A LOT OF EXPERIENCE. HE'S GOT GREAT PERSONALITY. I THINK HE'LL WORK VERY WELL WITH STAFF AND BE A GREAT ASSET TO THE TOWN MANAGING THE PROGRAM.

IF WE GO FORWARD, MATT WOULD HAVE AN ASSISTANT MANAGER SUPPORTING HIM.

TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO THERE IS WE HAVE THEM SPLIT THE TIME SO WE HAVE A MANAGER ON DUTY DURING ALL OF THE PARKING HOURS IN SUPPORT OF THEM THE STAFF WILL BE DOING MAINTENANCE ON THE LOT, PICKING UP TRASH, DOING THOSE SORT OF THINGS. ALSO DEALING WITH ANY ANY CAMERAS THAT NEED TO BE ADJUSTED SIGNAGE OUT THERE. THEY'LL BE WORKING TO MAKE SURE ANY GRAFFITI OR STICKERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IS DEALT WITH QUICKLY ON THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE. THE GOOD THING IS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO OPERATE THIS PROGRAM VERY EFFICIENTLY WITH THE TECHNOLOGY WE PUT FORWARD. SO THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE A GREAT DEAL STAFF. ONE MOBILE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER PRIMARY OFFICER WOULD BE ABLE TO COVER ALL OF THE PROPERTIES AND THEY WOULD BE ISSUING CITATIONS AND SUCH.

THEY WOULD BE SUPPORTED BY THE REST OF THE STAFF SO THEY ARE NOT EXCLUSIVE.

THE MANAGER AND THE SYSTEM MANAGER WOULD STEP IN AND BE CROSS TRAINED ON DOING ALL OF THAT ACTIVITY AS WELL AMBASSADOR. SO DURING THE EVENTS DURING PEAK SEASON WE WILL HAVE ADDITIONAL STAFF THAT WILL BRING IN TO HELP DIRECT TRAFFIC TO ASSIST PEOPLE ANSWER QUESTIONS. THEY'LL BE PLACED STRATEGICALLY BASED ON UTILIZATIONS AND THE TIME OF THE WEEK. AND AGAIN THE GOAL HERE IS TO BE POSITIVE TO HELP WITH PARKING, TO BE FAMILIAR WITH ALL OF THE TOWN'S POLICIES.

ALL OF THE WORDS THAT COME OUT OF OUR MOUTH SHOULD BE PRE-APPROVED SO WE CAN EFFECTIVELY COMMUNICATE CONSISTENTLY BETWEEN THE TOWN STAFF AND OUR TEAM OUT IN THE FIELD. AND WE WOULD HAVE A LOCAL OFFICE OF COURSE WHERE THESE FOLKS WILL BE BASED OUT AND WE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO COME TO THE OFFICE IF THEY NEED ASSISTANCE CUSTOMER SERVICE IS HUGE. HAVING MATT IN CHARGE HERE WILL BE A WONDERFUL ASSET. ALL OF OUR STAFF GOES THROUGH AMBASSADOR TRAINING HOW TO INTERACT WITH THE PUBLIC PARKING. WE TYPICALLY DON'T GET A LOT OF COMPLIMENTS BUT WE WORK REALLY HARD TO TRY AND GET THEM WHEN WE ARE DOING ENFORCEMENT THAT CAN BE SOMEWHAT CHALLENGING SO ALL OF OUR ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE GO THROUGH SPECIAL TRAINING AND HOW TO INTERACT WITH FOLKS AND AND ANSWER QUESTIONS AND DIFFUSE THE SITUATION. WE ALSO WANT THE PUBLIC FEEDBACK ONGOING.

WE WANT TO HAVE SURVEYS. WE WANT TO GET, YOU KNOW, OPEN FORUM COME AND TELL US HOW WE'RE DOING. HOW CAN WE DO BETTER? HOW CAN WE LEARN? THE GREAT THING ABOUT THE VERGE SYSTEM HAVING ALL OF THAT DATA AVAILABLE TO YOU, WE CAN SURFACE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION ALONG WITH STATISTICS. ARE WE GETTING MORE NEGATIVE FEEDBACK WHEN WE'RE FULLER? OF COURSE THAT TYPICALLY FALLS IN LINE.

ARE PEOPLE HAPPY WITH PAIN? I'VE NEVER FOUND ANYONE THAT WAS.

BUT THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN SURFACE IN THE DATA FOR YOU TO ASSESS HOW THE PROCESSES WORKING. ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT THE TEXT APART PROGRAM IS THAT WE ARE ABLE TO OFFER A SURVEY AFTER EVERY TRANSACTION SO EVERY CUSTOMER THEY CAN GIVE US THEIR FEEDBACK ON HOW THINGS ARE GOING. THE COOL THING ABOUT THAT

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IF OUR MANAGER IS NOT ABLE TO ANSWER SOMEONE WILL ANSWER THE PHONE AND HELP THEM WITH WHATEVER IS GOING ON. THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS DELAY THE FAMILY GETTING THE KIDS OUT UNDER THE SAND BECAUSE OF A PARKING ISSUE. SO WE'LL BE THERE TO HELP THEM THROUGH THAT PROCESS. SO CRITICAL HERE IS THE PROGRAM STARTUP AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN WORKING WITH TOWNS AND CITIES ON THIS PROCESS. WHAT I ALWAYS SUGGEST IS THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A UNIFIED MESSAGE. WHAT IS THE PROGRAM INTENDED TO DO? WHAT IS IT ACCOMPLISHING? HOW IS IT GOING TO WORK? WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THE TOWN TO MAKE SURE THAT INFORMATION IS READILY AVAILABLE. INITIALLY WE LIKE TO DO OPEN HOUSES, INVITE THE COMMUNITY AND INVITE THE BUSINESSES AND INVITE THE CITIZENS AND ASK QUESTIONS, TOUCH THE TECHNOLOGY. YOU KNOW WE EXPLAIN HOW THE PERMITTING SYSTEM WORKS, THE ENFORCEMENT WORKS GET THAT SORT OF ENGAGEMENT.

ALSO TO OFFER PRESS RELEASES WORKING WITH THE LOCAL PRESS TO GET THAT INFORMATION OUT THERE CORRECTLY. I'VE FOUND AND YOU GUYS CAN PROBABLY ECHO IN HERE IF YOU DON'T GET AHEAD OF THAT COMMUNICATION PEOPLE START THINKING THE WORST.

THEY START THINKING PHILADELPHIA PARKING WARS HAS COME INTO THE TOWN AND WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT THAT. SO MESSAGING IS CRITICAL OFFERING DIGITAL PLATFORMS LIKE HAVING A DESIGNATED PARKING WEB SITE THAT HAS ALL OF THE QUESTION AND ANSWER INFORMATION ON THEIR FEEDING INFORMATION TO SOCIAL MEDIA. YOU KNOW, UPCOMING EVENTS IF THERE IS CONSTRUCTION IN ONE OF THE LOTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE THAT OUT QUICKLY TO THE PUBLIC AND THEN THE TECHNOLOGY DEPLOYMENT EDUCATING THE PUBLIC HAVE A PERIOD OF PHASING THAT IN WHERE PEOPLE ARE GETTING TO EXPERIENCE IT AND GET AN OPPORTUNITY IF THEY DON'T PAY LIKE SAID BEFORE, PAYMENT REMINDERS WORK REALLY WELL TO EDUCATE THE PROCESS AND THEN OVER TIME I'M SURE THAT THE STAFF AND YOU FOLKS WILL WANT TO MODIFY POLICY TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT YOU'RE SEEING, WHAT YOU'RE HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY. AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO. WE'RE HERE TO BE A CONSULTANT OVER TIME.

AND IF WE NEED TO CHANGE SOMETHING OR YOU WANT A RECOMMENDATION ON HOW YOU CAN DEAL WITH SOME OF THE FEEDBACK YOU'RE GETTING, WE'RE HERE TO OFFER THAT SUGGESTION AND THEN AFTER TRANSITION THE BIG VALUE I THINK WE OFFER IS WE WANT TO BE ACTIVELY ENGAGED.

WE WANT TO BE A PARTNER OF THE TOWN. WE WANT TO BE AVAILABLE.

WE WANT TO DEVELOP A BUSINESS PLAN THAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS.

WHAT IS THE GOAL PARKING PROGRAM? HOW ARE WE DOING FINANCIALLY? WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS ALL LAID OUT WHERE WE HAVE A TARGET AND OUR PEOPLE HAVE A TARGET TO ACHIEVE. AND THEN LET'S AGREE ON KPI. LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT WE EXPECT FROM THE PROGRAM. HOW ARE WE PERFORMING? HOW ARE WE GOING TO MONITOR THAT? THEY SAY IF YOU'RE NOT MEASURING IT, YOU'RE NOT CONTROLLING IT. YOU'RE NOT MONITORING. RIGHT.

SO LET'S FIGURE OUT A WAY WE'RE GOING TO MEASURE THINGS. THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE, COMPLIANCE, ALL OF THOSE THINGS AND WE'LL GIVE YOU THAT DATA AND WE'LL WRAP THAT UP AND QUARTERLY REPORTS THAT CAN BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND AND COUNCIL.

AND THEN AS I SAID MULTIPLE TIMES, WE'RE HERE TO BE AN ONGOING CONSULTANT FOR THE TOWN

AND STAFF THE TIMELINE THAT WE DISCUSSED IS WITH APPROVAL. >> HOPEFULLY GET A CONTRACT EXECUTED IN OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR. AND FROM THERE WE CAN BE IN POSITION TO LAUNCH THE RESIDENTIAL PARKING PROGRAM IN DECEMBER WHEN YOU GET THE NEW SYSTEM OUT THERE AND WORK WITH THE CITIZENS ON THAT. THE TECHNOLOGY IMPLEMENTATION WOULD OCCUR IN MARCH OR APRIL WHICH WOULD POSITION US FOR A SOFT PROGRAM LAUNCH IN APRIL OF NEXT YEAR AND THEN BE READY WITH A FULL PROGRAM LAUNCH ON MEMORIAL DAY OF NEXT YEAR.

>> AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION AND THEN WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, JACK? THANK YOU, GEORGE. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. DOES OUR RECOMMENDATION, OUR VOTE GO TO FULL COUNCIL? YES, SIR. IT IS A RECOMMENDATION ON THE SCOPE OF THE SERVICES THAT ARE BEING OFFERED. AND THEN SECONDLY, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG THAT THE PROGRAM AT THIS POINT HAS NOT BEEN DESIGNED BUT THAT COUNCIL WILL BE INVOLVED IN ITS DESIGN OVER TIME WITH RECOMMENDATIONS COMING FORTH FROM THE STAFF. YES, SIR, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. THE THE LOGICAL PROCESS THAT WE KIND OF HAVE LINED UP IS ONCE WE'VE IDENTIFIED THE SCOPE OF SERVICES TO BE PROVIDED IN TERMS OF INFRASTRUCTURE, TECHNOLOGY AND MANAGEMENT THAT'LL DRIVE THE CONTRACT PRICE THAT WE WILL ENTER INTO ONCE WE HAVE A CONTRACT PRICE THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT BASED UPON THE FEEDBACK WE HEARD FROM COUNCIL THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO USE AD VALOREM TAXES FROM

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AND THEN IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT COSTS PLUS INVESTMENT OR REINVESTMENT IN THE PROGRAM WE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY BUT WE AT LEAST HAVE A BASELINE THAT WE CAN WORK FROM IN TERMS OF TARGETING WHAT IT IS THAT WE WANT TO DO IN TERMS OF GENERATING PARKING REVENUE.

OKAY. >> THANK YOU. KRISTA IS IN HERE BUT DO WE HAVE GLENN ON THE LINE? HE HAS GLENN. I BELIEVE HE IS ON THE LINE.

AND KRISTA HAD TO STEP OUT TO DO HER OFFICIAL DUTIES. OKAY.

WELL, I'M GOING TO THROW KAREN OUT. I'LL ASK GLENN TO MAKE COMMENTS OF HIS ON THE LINE AT THIS TIME. GLENN, BECAUSE FROM A TECHNOLOGY STANDPOINT WE MAY HAVE TO FLIP BACK OVER TO HIM, WHICH IS WHY.

>> ALL RIGHT THEN I'M JUST GOING TO ASK ALEX TO GO AND BEAR WITH US FOR JUST ONE SECOND. WE'LL GET HIM ALEX, JACK. WELCOME.

THANK YOU FOR SUCH A THOROUGH PRESENTATION AND I'M IMPRESSED WITH THE CAPABILITIES OF YOU AND YOUR TEAM. I I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU THERE MORE SO COMMENTS FOR STAFF AS THEY START TO ENGAGE. THESE ARE CONTRACT AGREEMENTS.

BUT I WILL SAY THAT THE FACT THAT YOU STARTED WITH OUR CORE VALUES IN MIND THAT REALLY IMPRESSED ME. OKAY. WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WORKING ON OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHICH HAS GOTTEN US INTO THE FUTURE AND THE VALUES THAT YOU HAVE TOOLS AND TO INCORPORATE INTO YOUR WORK IS JUST BEAUTIFUL. SO I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

SO I GUESS SOME I TAKE IN MOST JOBS I GOT A LITTLE A FEW DAYS THAT I'M DONE.

OKAY. I DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS NECESSARILY EXCEPT FOR WHAT DOES THIS PLAN PLAN BEING SO COMPREHENSIVE AND SUCH ENHANCEMENT AND TECHNOLOGY.

I THINK YOU ANSWERED SOME OF THIS JOSH, BUT THE ABILITY FOR US TO MAKE MONEY THERE'S GONNA BE A QUESTION THAT'S GONNA COME UP. ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, JACK MENTIONED EARLY ON THAT THERE HAS TO BE A CONNECT OR BETWEEN HIS SERVICES AND PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND I DON'T WANT THOSE TO BE COMPETING BECAUSE AT THIS POINT WE'VE GOT X AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES WHICH MEANS X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS AND THE MORE THAT WE FORCE PEOPLE TO TAKE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, THE DEMAND ON THE PARKING SPACES MAY GO DOWN WHICH MEANS IT MAY MEAN LESS REVENUE SOMEWHERE.

OKAY. THOSE TWO CANNOT COMPETE. THEY HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER IN OUR LONG TERM PLAN. ON THE TOPIC OF FEES, THE USE OF SOME OF THE PARKS FOR RECREATION PROGRAMS. I KNOW THAT THERE IS A WAY TO DO THAT THROUGH THE REGISTRATION. BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT STAYS FREE.

OUR FAMILY'S ALREADY SPENT A LOT OF THESE HAVE ADDITIONAL BURDEN WHEN IT COMES TO THAT.

THE STARTUP PROGRAM AGAIN HAS TO COORDINATE NOT JUST WITH PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION BUT THE CHAMBER ALSO NEEDS TO BE A BIG PLAYER IN THIS BECAUSE THEY CONTROL OUR MESSAGE AND TO THE THREE MILLION PLUS VISITORS THAT WE'RE SEEING EVERY YEAR. I THINK THIS IS THIS WILL BECOME A PART OF OUR BRAND. IF WE DO IT DO IT WELL AND THE ONLY OTHER THING IS JACK MENTIONED THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO BE A PARTNER. SO AS WE RECEIVE INFORMATION EITHER ON A QUARTERLY SMI ANNUAL BASIS, I THINK THAT SHOULD COME DIRECTLY FROM JACK'S TEAM VERSUS THE STAFF REPORT BECAUSE THE THE THE ABILITY TO GRAB DATA THAT HE IS SUGGESTING IS GOING TO HELP US ALONG THE WAY WITH MAKING POLICY DOWN THE ROAD SO THAT PARTNERSHIP SHOULD BE REALLY CONCRETE WITHIN AN AGREEMENT. THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. >> IS GLEN ON THE LINE AT THIS POINT? GLEN, CAN YOU HEAR US? I CAN.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. EXCELLENT.

>> GLEN, WELCOME. YEAH, YEAH. DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? YOU. IT'S NICE TO IT'S NICE TO BE HERE UP IN THE MOUNTAINS WATCHING YOU ARE WALKING DOWN IN THE LOW, JACK. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR VERY THOROUGH REPORT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A COPY OF YOUR POWERPOINT IF YOU CAN SHARE THAT BECAUSE I DON'T SEE ANY OF THAT WHERE I AM NOW AND IT WOULD BE USEFUL TO HAVE

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WE WE DO NOT CURRENTLY MANAGE ANY OF THOSE OPERATIONS. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THEM.

MOST OF THEM USE METERS TECHNOLOGY AS THEIR PRIMARY WAY OF PAYMENT LEVERAGED OUT WITH MOBILE PAYMENT SOLUTIONS. SO I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD GIVE YOU A GREAT COMPARABLE WITHIN

WITHIN DRIVING DISTANCE. NO. >> IT WOULD BE REALLY USEFUL TO IF YOU CAN'T FIND ONE NEARBY IF YOU CAN IDENTIFY SOME COMMUNITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE ADOPTED THE MORE FULL SYSTEM AND THEN WE CAN REACH OUT TO THOSE COMMUNITIES AND GET THEIR RESPONSES. SO YOU CAN GET BACK WITH JOSH ON THAT.

THAT WOULD BE VERY USEFUL. OUR PROBLEM HERE IS THAT WE ARE A VERY POPULAR VACATION COMMUNITY WHICH IS OBVIOUS AND WE HAVE VERY LIMITED PARKING FACILITIES.

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE TYPE OF PROGRAM YOU ARE RECOMMENDING WILL HELP US MANAGE THAT BETTER TO CUT DOWN ON FRUSTRATION THAT PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE WITH PARKING IN THE CLINTON AREA OBVIOUSLY IS THE MAJOR DRAW BECAUSE OF THE BEACH, THE PARK AND POLYGAMY PLAZA ITSELF.

IT'S TO BE VERY EXCITING TO ME TO SEE HOW YOUR MANAGEMENT IDEAS WORK HERE FOR THE BENEFIT OF TOURISTS PRIMARILY FOR THE BENEFIT OF RESIDENTS BUT ALSO FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF EMPLOYING STAFF PEOPLE THAT WORK DOWN THERE. YOU TOUCHED ON THAT AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING HOW THAT ACTUALLY WORKS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF FRICTION DOWN THERE AND IT'S PRIMARILY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING IN THAT AREA.

ONE POINT BECAUSE YOU DID NOT TOUCH ON THAT I'M INTERESTED IN AND THAT IS CAN WE CHARGE DIFFERENT RATES DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM? YOU TALK ABOUT WE COULD DO RESIDENT FREIGHT BARKING FOR EXAMPLE. BUT WHAT I'M THINKING IS THAT THERE'S A CERTAIN RATE FOR A RESIDENT OF BEAUFORT COUNTY WHO IS NOT A REPRESENTATIVE OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND VERSUS A RIGHT THAT WOULD BE CHARGED FOR SOMEONE WHO IS OUTSIDE COUNTY OR OUTSIDE OF SOUTH CAROLINA. YES, SIR. THE TECHNOLOGY WOULD ALLOW YOU TO HAVE DIFFERENT RATE STRUCTURES BASED ON RESIDENCY OR WHERE THEIR VEHICLE IS FROM.

HOWEVER YOU WANT GO ABOUT THAT. I'VE WORKED WITH OTHER CITIES THAT FOR EXAMPLE HAVE OFFERED SENIOR CITIZENS A DISCOUNTED RATE OR BETTER YET WOULD BE GIVEN A DISCOUNT RATE.

SO THERE ARE WAYS TO ACCOMMODATE DIFFERENT RATE STRUCTURES.

>> I THINK VERY USEFUL BATTERY MANAGING IT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO PENALIZE THE LOCAL PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE A DAY TRIP OR PROBLEM HERE BECAUSE WE DID SUCH A WONDERFUL BEACH AND FRANKLY BECAUSE WE HAVE FREE PARKING AT LEAST UNTIL APPARENTLY NEXT SPRING.

AND SO I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU AND THE TOWN STAFF, THE TOWN MANAGER IN BRINGING THIS PROGRAM FORWARD. THANK YOU FOR A VERY THOROUGH PRESENTATION.

THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. DAVID. THANK YOU, GLENN.

SPEAKER THANK YOU, DAVE. WELCOME. SO I HAVE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT I WANT TO TOUCH ON. IN YOUR PRESENCE I LIKE LAND. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING THE POWERPOINT TO MORE CAREFULLY TAKE MY TIME WALKING THROUGH IT.

AND REMEMBER IN YOUR COMMENTS ALONG THE WAY I DON'T BELIEVE IN EXCUSE ME I DON'T BELIEVE I PICKED UP IN YOUR PRESENTATION WHERE YOU REFERRED TO THE LAST OF WHAT YOU PRESENTED AS THE TOWN. WE TALKED ABOUT RESIDENTIAL. WE TALKED ABOUT TOURISM.

I DIDN'T HEAR THE PIECE ABOUT SHORT TERM RENTALS AND HOW THAT WOULD PLAY INTO THIS.

I'D BE INTERESTED IN A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT .

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TRACK PEOPLE ACROSS AND WHO THEY ARE. >> WHEREAS THAT DATA CAPTAIN WHAT'S DONE WITH IT ONCE IT'S COLLECTED? WELL, FIRST OFF, LET ME SAY THAT THE DATA WILL BE YOURS ONLY USED BY THE TOWN FOR PURPOSES THAT YOU DESIGNED THE DATA I ALWAYS RECOMMEND THAT YOU HAVE A ANONYMOUS IS THE DATA AND YOU ALSO HAVE A POINT WHERE YOU ELIMINATE LICENSE PLATE READS MOST STICKINESS I'VE WORKED AND HAVE ADOPTED

THAT APPROACH. >> SO THE DATA WOULD BE YEARS IT WOULD ALL BE CENTRALIZED WITHIN THE VERGE PLATFORM BUT WE COULD STORE THE DATA WHEREVER YOU WANTED TO.

IT COULD BE ON A TOWN SERVER OR YOU COULD BE ON YOUR CLOUD HOSTED SITE WHATEVER YOU DECIDE TO DO. BUT THE KEY IS IT'LL BE YOUR DATA AND YOU CAN USE IT HOW YOU

WANT TO. >> SO GENERALLY SPEAKING REGARDLESS OF WHO IT BELONGS TO. I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE COLLECTION TYPE OF SPECIFIC DATA AND TRACKING SO THAT'S MY CONCERN. MY GREATEST CONCERN AND I DON'T THINK THAT I COULD REALLY ENDORSE A PROGRAM THAT COLLECTS THAT DATA.

SO IF THERE ARE OTHER WAYS OF DOING IT I'D BE INTERESTED IN HEARING THAT.

BUT THAT'S A PRIVACY ISSUE. AND THAT ONE THAT I'M I'M COMFORTABLE WITH I'M ALSO INTERESTED IN KNOWING I THINK YOU MENTIONED A STAFF MANAGER WHO YOU HAVE ALREADY IDENTIFIED WHO'S LOOKING FORWARD TO MOVING TO HILTON HEAD. AND WE CERTAINLY WOULD WELCOME HIM HERE. HIS NAME I BELIEVE WAS MATT. WHERE WOULD THE OTHER STAFF COME FROM? IS A LOCAL HIRES? YES.

IDEALLY WE'LL HIRE EVERYONE LOCALLY. >> OKAY.

AND WHAT WOULD YOU IMAGINE? THAT'S FORCE THAT STAFF TEAM LOOKING LIKE IN TERMS OF NUMBER WE WOULD HAVE WHAT DURING THE PEAK PERIOD WE WOULD HAVE ADDITIONAL STAFF THE

AMBASSADORS WOULD BE BROUGHT IN. >> BUT THE CORE STAFF IS REALLY GONNA BE FOUR PEOPLE OF FOUR PEOPLE. OKAY.

AND SO THE INTEREST SO THAT STAFF AT SOME POINT WOULD BE IN A VEHICLE WITH A CAMERA ON TOP AND ROAMING THROUGH THE PARKING LOTS PICKING UP THE DATA COLLECTING THE DATA AND THEN PROCESSING IT IN TERMS OF WHO WOULD GET A WARNING, HOW YOUR TIME IS ALMOST UP, ET CETERA.

HOW DOES THAT WORK IF SOMEONE HOW DOES THAT HOW DOES THAT WORK IF SOMEONE IS SITTING ON

THE BEACH? >> THEY'VE COME TO LET'S USE THIS AS AN EXAMPLE AND IT MAY NOT BE THE BEST ONE BUT THEY'VE GOTTEN TO COLLECT ANITA PARK. THEY'VE GOTTEN THEIR GRACE OUR TO GO DO THEIR SHOPPING AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA FRANKLY.

BUT THEY'VE THEN DECIDED TO SIT DOWN AND LUNCH AND THEN THEY'VE DECIDED TO WALK ON THE BEACH AND THEY'VE NOT PAID ATTENTION TO THEIR PHONE AND THEY'RE NOW HAVE EXTENDED THEIR TIME TO THREE OR FOUR HOURS DOWN. WHERE DOES THAT PIECE OF INFORMATION GET PICKED UP AS PICKED UP FROM THE ROAMING VEHICLE THAT HAPPENS TO PICK IT UP OR HOW DOES THAT GET ANALYZED FOR. THIS IS ABOVE MY PAY GRADE. EVERYONE WHO KNOWS ME KNOWS TECHNOLOGY IS NOT MY THINGS OF MY QUESTIONS SEEM SIMPLISTIC .

I KNOW I'M STARTING FROM THAT LEVEL. NO, NEGOTIATE THE INFORMATION.

GOOD QUESTIONS. OK FOR THE FOLKS THAT HAVE PAID SO THEY PAID FOR AN HOUR AND THINKING THEY WERE GOING TO BE AN HOUR AT THE END OF SAME BEYOND THAT IF THEY USE THE TEXT PARK SYSTEM IT WILL TEXT THEM AND LET THEM KNOW THAT YOUR SESSION'S ABOUT TO EXPIRE

AND GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXTEND THEIR TIME. >> SO EVEN IF THEY'RE GOING IN FOR THEIR ONE HOUR GRACE PERIOD THEY STILL TEXT TO SAY I'M IN THIS SPACE AND REGISTER THEIR

CAR. >> CORRECT? SO EVERYONE WHO PULLS IN REGARDLESS. OK. CORRECT.

ALL RIGHT. >> THE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT TO THANK YOU BECAUSE THE TEXAS PARK CONNECTS US TO THE CUSTOMER IN MOST PARKING OPERATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE A GATE AND YOU PULL A TICKET. THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHO YOU ARE. ONE OF THE VALUES OF TEXAS THE PARK IS WE WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMUNICATE BACK TO THE CUSTOMER IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE IF THEY LEFT THEIR BEACH BAG ON TOP OF THEIR CAR OR THEIR WINDOW WAS DOWN.

OUR OFFICERS WOULD BE ABLE THROUGH THE SYSTEM TO CHECK IF WE HAVE A CELL PHONE NUMBER TO REACH OUT TO THEM AND SAY HEY, WE'VE NOTICED THIS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT. SO THERE'S THERE'S ADDITIONAL COMMUNICATION WITH THE COMMUNITY. THE SAME IS TRUE ON VIOLATIONS IF YOU'D LIKE US TO WE CAN COMMUNICATE OUT TO FOLKS AND JUST SAY HEY, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN A PAYMENT YET.

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>> GETTING PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THE RULES AND FOLLOW THE RULES. SO THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN MY MIND FOR SOMEONE THAT PULLS IN AND DOESN'T PAY AND THEY'VE MET MAYBE THEY'VE GOT FIVE PARKING TICKETS ALREADY THEY HAVEN'T PAID. I ALWAYS LIKE TO SAY WE NEED TO TREAT THEM DIFFERENTLY. WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ELSE TO CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIOR.

THE FOLKS THAT PAID FOR TWO HOURS BUT HAPPENED TO STAY OVER TIME I WOULD TREAT THEM DIFFERENTLY. I WOULD HAVE A MUCH SOFTER RECOMMENDATION FOR HOW YOU DEAL WITH THAT SITUATION. AGAIN, THE GOAL ISN'T TO WRITE A BUNCH OF PARKING TICKETS AND HAVE THAT AS A FRICTION POINT. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO EDUCATE AN INTERACT WITH THE COMMUNITY.

UNLIKE MOST CITIES ONE OF MY CLIENTS IS NEW YORK CITY AND THEY HAVE VERY LITTLE LENIENCY FOR ANYTHING UP THERE SO THIS IS NOT NEW YORK CITY. THIS IS NOT NEW YORK CITY.

HAVING BEEN TOLD SEVERAL TIMES IN NEW YORK MYSELF, WE ARE NOT NEW YORK CITY.

EMILY, JUST CIRCLE BACK TO THE TWO. BUT THOSE QUESTIONS THAT I ASKED IS THERE ANY WAY TO DO THIS PROGRAM WITHOUT COLLECTING THAT DATA, THAT SPECIFIC DATA

TRACKING INDIVIDUAL CARS? >> THERE IS WE DON'T HAVE TO STORE THE INFORMATION.

WE CAN JUST USE IT AS A TRIGGER POINT. I'VE WORKED PERSONALLY WITH THE ACLU ON SETTING POLICIES. IT'S AN ISSUE ACROSS THE COUNTRY LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS BEEN USING NPR FOR 30, 40 YEARS. IT'S BEEN IN PARKING FOREVER.

SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING NEW. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF CRAFTING A POLICY THAT EVERYONE'S COMFORTABLE WITH WHERE WE'RE PROTECTING THOSE PRIVACY ISSUES AND THAT CAN BE DONE.

LIKE I SAID, EVERY CITY WE WORK WITH THAT HAS MPR WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE NOWADAYS THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT ISSUE. SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THAT

POLICY THAT'S ESTABLISHED. >> SO THERE IS. WELL, THAT'S GOOD NEWS .

AND IN TERMS OF THAT STAFF THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AND THE COST THAT I THINK SHANE AND JOSH YOU TALKED ABOUT WOULD BE PART OF HOW WE FIGURED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS PROGRAM WOULD COVER ALL OF OUR COSTS TO IMPLEMENT IT AND THE REST I WOULD ASSUME THAT SOME OF THOSE COSTS WOULD INCLUDE THOSE SALARIES OF ALL OF THAT PERSONNEL AND THAT THIS EVEN THE ARKANSAS BOLTON'S THIS PROGRAM WOULD BE UNDER THE DIRECTION OF OUR DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SAFETY NOW. IS THAT WHERE IT WOULD FALL IN TERMS OF WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE DIFFERENT AREAS BECAUSE IT TIES IN WITH BEACH MANAGEMENT AND IT ALSO TIES IN

WITH THE FACILITIES. >> SO I THINK WE'LL HAVE A MUCH CLEARER ANSWER AS WE GET CLOSE TO IMPLEMENTATION. BUT IT WILL REPORT TO SOME STAFF MEMBER WITHIN THE TOWN IN

TERMS OF HAVING A CONNECTION BETWEEN US AND THE CONTRACTOR. >> IS THAT HOW YOU USUALLY PUT THESE PROGRAMS INTO PLACE? IT'S PRETTY COMMON TO GO THAT ROUTE.

>> I GUESS SO. AND THEN ENGLAND HAD A QUESTION THAT I THOUGHT WAS A GOOD ONE WITH REGARD TO JUST MAKING SURE THAT OUR ELLIS ISLAND RESIDENTS ARE THE TOP PRIORITY.

AND I THINK OUR STAFF KNOWS THAT AND I THINK WE ALL AGREE ON THAT ONE.

I'LL LEAVE THE REST WHICH ARE A LOT OF THE DETAILS THAT I'M GOING TO BE VERY INTERESTED IN MAKING SURE DO JUST THAT WHICH IS TO PROTECT OUR ISLAND AND TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE THAT I THINK WE IDENTIFIED AND NOT GROW OUR GOVERNMENT TO A POINT WHERE WE ARE EXTEND DIGGING OURSELVES INTO PEOPLE'S LIVES BY TRACKING DATA AND COLLECTING DATA AND SAVING THEIR DATA.

ALL RIGHT. THANKS. THANK YOU.

JACK, I'M SATISFIED YOU HAVE YOUR FIRM'S COMPREHENSIVE FLEXIBLE APPROACH.

I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU IN DEVELOPING A ISLANDS SOURCED PLAN FOR HILTON HEAD.

I THINK WE HAVE UNIQUE CHALLENGES IN THAT REGARD. I SEE YOUR PRESENTATION AS BRAND ENHANCEMENT. YOU USED THE TERM FRICTIONLESS PARKING BECAUSE WE'RE A HOSPITALITY ISLAND. I THINK IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE FRICTIONLESS PARKING TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN. YOU MENTIONED PARKING TRANSPORTATION CONNECTION. I'M GLAD TO SEE MARY LOU HERE TODAY WITH PALMETTO RAYS TO BE A PART OF THIS CONVERSATION. I THINK THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND COUNCILMAN BROWN MENTIONED THAT AS WELL. THE ONE THING THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THIS TODAY BUT IT'S A QUESTION THAT MAYBE IT WOULD BE WORTH JUST THE MOMENT I'M AS.

AS CHAIRMAN I HAVE THE UNENVIABLE POSITION OF TRYING TO KEEP US ON TRACK IN A TIME

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>> WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE CONSUMER OR THE CUSTOMER WHO DOESN'T HAVE THAT CAPABILITY?

>> SURE. YOU ALWAYS NEED A ALTERNATIVE SO PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE A CELL PHONE DON'T WANT TO PAY WITH CREDIT CARDS. SO IS THAT A PERSON AT THE GATE ? NO. SO WHAT WE'LL HAVE IS WE'LL HAVE A PHONE NUMBERS POSTED THROUGHOUT THE FACILITIES THAT THEY CAN CALL AND WE CAN ARRANGE FOR THAT PAYMENT TO TAKE PLACE. THERE'S A NUMBER OF WAYS TO GO ABOUT THE INTEREST OF TIME. I'M GOING TO ACCEPT YOUR ANSWER AS THERE IS A WAY TO DEAL WITH THAT ISSUE. OK, JOSH, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE HAVE A MOTION TO

AUTHORIZE THE TOWN MANAGER? >> NO, SIR. BUT I THINK YOU CAN SEE WHY I SAID I'M EXCITED THIS MORNING. I THINK THEY'VE BROUGHT TOGETHER A REALLY GREAT

PROGRAM. AND IT PUTS ON A GOOD PATH. >> GLENN, ARE YOU IN A POSITION TO OFFER THE MOTION OR DO YOU WANT US TO DO IT LOCALLY? MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, WE CAN. I WILL MOVE THAT WE MOVE THE MATTER OF NEGOTIATING A CONTRACT TO BE APPROVED BY THE COUNTY BY THE TOWN COUNCIL THAT WE MOVE THAT FORWARD TO THE TOWN MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE WITH JACK AND HIS FIRM TO BRING FORTH A PARKING PROGRAM WHICH WILL BE IN FORCE FOR THE NEXT TOURIST SEASON. THANK YOU.

IS THERE A SECOND GLEN'S MOTION ? >> THANK YOU.

>> PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. KRISTEN? >> YES, YES, SIR.

MR. BROWN SUPPORT MRS. BECKER. I SUPPORT THIS. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE MY COMMENTS ARE CLEAR THAT AS WE ENTER INTO THIS MIKE CONCERNED BY PROTECTING PRIVACY IS GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTED ALONG THE WAY. WE DISCUSS IT FURTHER.

THANK YOU, MR. STANFORD. >> ALL MOTION IN MR. AMES FOR THE MOTION.

MOTION CARRIES, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND JACK. WELCOME TO THE ISLAND AGAIN AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEE MORE OF YOU. THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT. THANK KNOW. >> THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A DISCUSSION OF THE ADOPTED SHORT TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE AND THE SELECTION OF A THIRD PARTY VENDOR FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL MONITORING. WHAT? WHAT? MR. CHAIRMAN. COUNCIL COMMITTEE MEMBERS SEAN

COLE AND ASSISTANT TOWN MANAGER. >> AND I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE

BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING. >> THANK YOU. I'M I'M STEPPING IN A LITTLE BIT AND SIREN WHO HAS BEEN SORT OF THE FACE OF THE SHORT TERM RENTAL INITIATIVE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE TOWN IS OUT OF TOWN TODAY AND SHE HAS RESIGNED AND IS TAKING A NEW POSITION IN ILLINOIS AND WE'LL HAVE HER FOR ANOTHER WEEK. SO WE'RE WE'RE LOSING SOME INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE. BUT BUT WE ARE CAPABLE AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO MOVE THIS EFFORT. FORWARD. I WANT TO THANK HER FOR HER HELP IN GETTING US THIS FAR. AND I'M HERE TO TO PROVIDE REALLY AN UPDATE TODAY.

I'M NOT ASKING THE COMMITTEE FOR A LOT OF DIRECTION JUST THAT WE'RE ON THE RIGHT PATH.

WE HAVE A BIG ROAD AHEAD TO GET THIS. THE SHORT TERM MENTAL ORDINANCE IMPLEMENTATION PIECES IN PLACE INCLUDING THE SELECTION OF A THIRD PARTY VENDOR, HIRING OF STAFF, GETTING THE SYSTEM READY, THE COMMUNICATION PLAN AND I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH A BRIEF PRESENTATION AND THEN ASK THE COMMITTEE JUST TO ENDORSE HER ON THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD. WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS ORDINANCE IMPLEMENTATION AND THEN THE NEXT STEP. SO AS WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST WE'VE STARTED WITH A PROJECT PURPOSE STATEMENT. GIVE THE UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE IN IMPLEMENTATION OF THE ORDINANCE. THE SELECTION PROCESS OF A THIRD PARTY VENDOR AND THEN SOME OTHER ISSUES THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHICH I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND WE ADDRESS AT A FUTURE DATE. THIS IS THE PURPOSE STATEMENT. IT'S BEEN IN THE PAST SEVERAL.

I WON'T GO THROUGH IT WOULD BE IN DETAIL AND I KNOW WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WAS WITH US FROM A TIMING STANDPOINT. SO WE WERE ASKED TO DO TO CRAFT AND BRING FORWARD AN ORDINANCE . WE'VE DONE THAT. THE COUNCIL HAS ADOPTED IT AND THEN ALSO THE COMMITTEE HAD LOOKED AT A FRAMEWORK FOR IMPLEMENTATION AND THEN SOME NEXT STEPS THAT WE THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT HERE IN A MINUTE WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW IN SUMMER OF 2022. ONCE A LOT OF WORK ON END TO GET THE ORDINANCE ADOPTED.

BUT WE'VE ALSO HAD A LOT OF WORK THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING SINCE THE ADOPTION TO BEGIN ITS

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IMPLEMENTATION. >> IT'S BEEN A JOINT EFFORT ACROSS MANY DEPARTMENTS OF THE TOWN. I WANT TO THANK APRIL AIKEN'S JOHN TROYER AND FINANCE BEING THERE RIGHT ALONGSIDE AS WE MOVE THIS THING FORWARD. WE SOLICITED BIDS, WE RECEIVED RESPONSES, WENT THROUGH AN EVALUATION PROCESS AND WE BELIEVE WE ARE AT THE POINT TO RECOMMEND A VENDOR AND WE PLAN TO BRING THEM FORWARD TO THE AUGUST 30 FIRST MEETING OF THE COMMITTEE FOR A PRESENTATION SIMILAR TO WHAT JACK JUST PROVIDED.

WE'RE WORKING DEVELOP A GOOD NEIGHBOR BROCHURE AND THEN CREATE A COMMUNICATION PLAN, HIRE PERSONNEL TO GET THIS IMPLEMENTATION PLAN IN PLACE TO BE ABLE TO MEET THE SERVICE DELIVERY EXPECTATIONS OF THE ORDINANCE WE'RE NEGOTIATING THAT WITHOUT VENDOR WORK.

WE WERE IMPRESSED WITH THE PRESENTATIONS AND WE'RE HAPPY WITH WHO WE BELIEVE IS THE PREFERRED CLIENT. THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU A DEMONSTRATION ON DATA AND CAPABILITIES AND REPORTING THAT WE SO DEARLY NEED IN ORDER TO MAKE DECISIONS AS WE GO FORWARD. AND AGAIN, I'LL GIVE THE PRESENTATION AT THE MEETING TO THIS COMMITTEE LATER THIS MONTH . I WANT TO GET TOO DEEP IN THE DETAIL ON THIS BUT THE COMMITTEE DID ALONG WITH MOVING THE ORDINANCE RECOMMENDATION FORWARD LOOK AT A FRAMEWORK FOR SOME HIGH OCCUPANCY HOMES AND HIGH FLOOR AND STRUCTURES TOOK UP AN AWFUL LOT OF AREA. TYPICALLY SINGLE FAMILY LOTS. WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO DO IS HAVE THE VENDOR ON BOARD AND WE NEED DATA. I DON'T KNOW IF I DON'T KNOW THE ISSUES YET. WE KNEW THAT WE NEED TO HAVE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND PUT A PROGRAM IN PLACE AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID WITH THE ORDINANCE. BUT THESE ADDITIONAL ITEMS WE NEED TO HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT WE CAN RELY ON TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.

AND THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF KIND OF FORWARD THIS FIRST STEP.

>> WE WILL DEVELOP A PRELIMINARY FRAMEWORK ON WHEN THE DATA WILL BE AVAILABLE.

AGAIN YOU CAN SEE A DEMO ON THE THIRTY FIRST AND WE'LL BE AGAIN WORKING WITH THE VENDOR ONCE CONTRACTED ON TRACKING THAT INFORMATION AND BEGIN TO DEVELOP TRENDS AND SHARE THAT INFORMATION REGULARLY WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THEN WE CAN USE IT TO MAKE DATA DRIVEN DECISIONS ON POLICY CHANGES IN CONCERT WITH OTHER THINGS THAT ARE IN PLAY.

WE HAVE THE REDEVELOPMENT INITIATIVE AREA. WE HAVE A CAPACITY STUDY OR THE CONDITION AND TRENDS ANALYSIS. WE ARE WORKING TOWARD A GROWTH FRAMEWORK, AN ALAWITE MASTER PLAN AND I'M GOING TO MAKE A PUBLIC STATEMENT RIGHT NOW THAT I DON'T WANT TO DO THINGS PIECEMEAL. I WANT TO LOOK AT IT FROM A BIG PICTURE STANDPOINT BECAUSE WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE ALAMO IN A MINUTE I THINK WE'VE BEEN A VICTIM OF LOOKING AT THINGS INDIVIDUALLY RATHER THAN COLLECTIVELY. WE HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB WITH OUR PLAN. WE'VE DONE A GREAT JOB OF THEIR STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN LINKING TO COMMUNITY EXPECTATIONS AND I THINK WE NEED TO DO THE SAME THING WITH THIS EFFORT AND OTHERS INCLUDING THE ALAMO. THERE OR SOME OTHER ITEMS THAT POPPED UP THROUGH DISCUSSION TO LOOK AT IN SORT OF THE NEXT PHASE. I'M LISTENING.

I'M HERE BECAUSE WE'RE INVENTORYING THOSE. I AM NOT COMFORTABLE TO MOVE ANY OF THIS FORWARD UNTIL WE HAVE THE DATA AND HAVE THE VENDOR ON BOARD.

BUT I'M MAKING YOU AWARE THAT WE ARE TRACKING THIS INFORMATION AND AS WE LEARN MORE THESE ITEMS MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO ADVANCE WHAT I'M PLEDGING NOW THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO INVEST, INVESTIGATE ALL OF THESE ITEMS AS WE LEARN MORE DATA AND COME FORWARD TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION REQUEST DIRECTION AS WE CONCLUDE THIS IMPLEMENTATION PIECE WHICH IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. WE KNOW WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF SHORT TERM RENTALS.

THE DEBATE CONTINUES WHEN WE HAVE OUR VENDOR HERE. I THINK WE'LL HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF THAT NUMBER. BUT IN ORDER TO BE READY TO IMPLEMENT THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS ADOPTED, WE NEED TO HAVE ALL HANDS ON DECK AND FOCUSING ON THAT OFFER AND THAT'S WHAT

WE INTEND TO DO. >> I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS BUT REALLY AN UPDATE I'LL LET YOU KNOW THAT WE'LL HAVE MORE INFORMATION VENDOR HERE ON THE THIRTY FIRST I'VE RECEIVED AND I THINK ALL MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE HAVE RECEIVED CONCERNS ABOUT THE ELIMINATION OF PARKING DIMENSIONS.

WAS THERE AS A STATEMENT YOU WANTED TO MAKE ON THAT? YES, SIR.

THANK YOU FOR REMINDING THAT WE'VE WE'VE JUST ADOPTED AN ORDINANCE WE DON'T YET KNOW THE IMPLICATIONS OF AN IMPACT BECAUSE WE WE NEED TO GET IT IN PLACE.

I NEED TO BE ABLE TO MONITOR AND EVALUATE ALONG WITH STAFF THE IMPACTS OF THE ORDINANCE.

I'M NOT COMFORTABLE YET WITH RECOMMENDING A PARKING SOLUTION OTHER THAN WHAT WAS ADOPTED

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I'M HESITANT TO START PULLING AT THE STRING TO UNRAVEL WHAT WE'VE GOT IN PLACE BEFORE WE'VE HAD A CHANCE TO PUT IT IN PLACE AND IMPLEMENT AND SEE AND SEE THE IMPLICATIONS.

YES SIR. THAT'S I REMOVED THAT FROM DISCUSSION BECAUSE I'M NOT COMFORTABLE OR READY TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AT THIS TIME. IT WILL REMAIN IN THE ORDINANCE AS PART OF THE ORDINANCE AND IMPLEMENT IT AS WAS DRAFTED. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. COMMENTS. I DO.

THANK YOU. HI. I REALIZE YOU PULLED THAT PIECE FROM THE DISCUSSION BUT I'M GOING TO ADD SOME FACTS. ON IT YOU CORRECTLY POINTED OUT THAT WE ADOPTED AN ORDINANCE THAT HASN'T EVEN BEEN PUT INTO EFFECT YET AND THERE'S ALREADY ATTEMPTS OR THOUGHTS ABOUT REVISING IT. SO I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT THERE HAS BEEN A RETHINKING OF THAT. BUT JUST FOR INFORMATION SAKE, I THOUGHT I WOULD TALK ABOUT THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN. WE HAVE NINE BY 18 AS BEING OUR SPACE SPACES THAT ARE REQUIRED ON IMPROVED ONSITE ON AN APPROVED SPOT FOR PARKING IN THE 21ST CENTURY A JEEP WRANGLER HAS A LENGTH OF HUNDRED AND SIXTY ALMOST A HUNDRED CERTAIN 67 INCHES WHICH IS 14 FEET SIX PLUS FEET IN WITH A TOYOTA LAND CRUISER 16 PLUS FEET IN LENGTH SEVEN FEET AND WITH A RANGE ROVER 17 FEET IN LENGTH, SEVEN FEET AND WIDTH AND A CHEVROLET SUBURBAN 19 FEET IN LENGTH AND SEVEN FEET IN WITH A POINT THOSE OUT BECAUSE OUR NINE BY 18 IS IS THE CORRECT DIMENSION FOR MOST OF THOSE. AND IF YOU LOOK AROUND AND JUST ANECDOTALLY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE TYPES OF CARS YOU SEE BRINGING BEING BROUGHT ONTO THE ISLAND FILLED WITH OUR GUESTS, TOURISTS AND VISITORS. THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF CARS YOU SEE MOST OFTEN AND THEREFORE I THINK JUST THAT SIMPLE AMOUNT OF DATA SHOULD LEAD US TO BELIEVE THAT WE ARE CORRECT AND THAT THAT ORDINATES AS IT'S BEEN WRITTEN DOES NOT NEED ANY ADJUSTMENT FOR THOSE MIGHT ARGUE DIFFERENTLY AND SAY WELL MY PROPERTY IS OLDER AND WE DON'T HAVE THE SPACE IN OUR DRIVEWAY ETC TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.

I'LL MAKE AN ANALOGY THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HIT HOME FOR SOME PEOPLE BUT IT IS THIS I OWN AN 18 AND A HALF FOOT BOAT. I CAN FIT FOUR TO SIX PEOPLE ON IT BUT I HAVE 20 FRIENDS THAT I LIKE TO BRING OUT OF MY BOAT WITH ME. MY VOTE DOESN'T ACCOMMODATE THAT I WILL SEEK AND THERE'LL BE A DISASTER. MY BOAT IS NOT APPROPRIATE IF YOUR LAND AND THE PLACE THAT YOU HAVE IS NOT APPROPRIATE SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A SINKING DISASTROUS SITUATION THAT WE ALL EXPERIENCE THEN MAYBE SHORT TERM RENTAL ON THAT PROPERTY IS NOT APPROPRIATE. AND SO WHILE I REALIZE THAT YOU HAD WITHDRAWN IT FROM YOUR DISCUSSION TODAY THIS POINT I HOPE IS WELL MADE IN THAT FUTURE THINKING TAKES THAT INTO CONSIDERATION BECAUSE I WILL CONTINUE TO MAKE IT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ONCE AGAIN, SEAN, JUST A FEW THINGS IN THE UH.

ONE OF THE ATTACHMENTS HERE IT TALKS ABOUT HIGH AND I THINK SIX POSITIONS TO HELP IMPLEMENT THE PLAN. ANY INDICATION AS TO WHERE WE ALL IN THOSE SIX POSITIONS? 0 9. SOME SO THAT THEIR RIGHTS ARE UNDER MY CONSERVATIVE CONTROL.

I KNOW FINANCES SOLICITED A POSITION I DON'T KNOW. >> THEY'RE PROBABLY EVALUATING CANDIDATES AT THIS POINT. SO THEY HAVE INTERVIEWS COMMON CODE ENFORCEMENT WAS PART OF THAT. THERE WAS SOME TO START EARLY IN THE YEAR AND THEN SOME LATE A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE YEAR. I KNOW THAT THE CANVASING HAS GONE OUT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE BEEN SELECTED OR HIRED YET. SO I CAN SAY THAT THE PUBLIC

SAFETY DIRECTOR HAS BEEN HIRED. >> HE'S GOING TO START ON THE 15TH.

GIVEN THAT THAT STAFF ARE GOING TO REPORT TO HIM WE WANTED TO WAIT TILL HE WAS ON BOARD TO THEN HELP IN SELECTING THEM. BUT WE'VE BEEN ACTIVELY SOLICITING APPLICATIONS TO HAND

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THANK YOU AND THANK YOU. VIN, I KNOW THIS PROGRAM IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US AS A TOWN.

WE'VE PASSED AN ORDINANCE. WE'VE GOT TO PHASE TWO. WE'RE TRYING TO GET OUR ARMS WRAPPED AROUND. SO HAVING SUFFICIENT EXPERTISE IN PLACE IS GOING TO BE ESSENTIAL FOR US MOVING THE BALL FORWARD. I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT WE'RE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION THERE. INDEED, THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE WAS TALKED ABOUT AS ONE OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME FROM TOWN COUNCIL AND I ALSO SEE THAT IT IS ON THAT LIST OF COMMENTS THAT YOU'VE RECEIVED FROM THE PUBLIC SINCE THE LAST MEETING. SO I JUST PUT A LITTLE EMPHASIS ON THAT ONE ALSO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO HELP DRIVE THIS FORWARD THAT WE DO HAVE THOSE THAT ON THE GROUND EXPERIENCE IN NOT ONLY THE BENEFITS FROM SHORT TERM RENTALS BUT ALSO THE NUANCES FROM SHORT TERM RENTALS. COLLECTIVELY WE MOVE IN TOGETHER.

SO THAT PHASE TWO IS VERY PRODUCTIVE. AND THE LAST THING IS I DON'T GET OUT MUCH. TYPICALLY I'M ALWAYS HERE. BUT I DID TAKE A TRIP TO THE PINEHURST THIS THIS LAST WEEK IN WAS A GOLFING YEAH. PLAY A LITTLE GOLF EVERY DAYS.

JUST HOW BUT THE B LISTING SAID THAT THE HOUSE THAT WE STAYED IN AT ACCURACY LEVEL OF 10 WE SHOWED UP WITH EIGHT. AND YOURS TRULY HAD TO SLEEP ON THE COUCH BECAUSE I WAS THE YOUNGEST OF THE CREW. I ONLY MAKE THAT POINT BECAUSE I THINK OCCUPANCY IS A HUGE PART OF THIS EQUATION AND WE ARE JUST NOT TALKING ABOUT IT ENOUGH.

AND IF WE CAN REALLY GET A HANDLE ON THAT THROUGH OUR REPORTING AND GATHERING DATA AND WHATNOT, I THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO CRAFT POLICY SO THAT WE HAD A BETTER PLACE DOWN THE ROAD. SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS AND I THINK THEREFORE CONTINUE TO

PUSH THIS FORWARD. >> GLEN, THANK SEAN THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPORT.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE NOT BEING ASKED TO TAKE ANY ACTION RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE NOT REALLY PRESENTING ANYTHING TO US ON THIS TELLING US WE'RE GOING TO HEAR MORE.

I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING MORE ABOUT THIS VERY IMPORTANT AND VITAL SUBJECT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SEAN. APPRECIATE THE PRESENTS.

AND I DON'T HAVE FURTHER COMMENTS BUT I AM GOING TO ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ISSUE AND BECAUSE I OVERLOOKED IT ON THE FORMER ISSUE, IF YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT THE PARKING, FEEL FREE TO COME UP AND MAKE YOUR COMMENT BUT SEE NONE WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA PALMETTO BREEZE TROLLEY SERVICE.

OH NO. EITHER IT'S SHORT TERM RENTALS PLEASE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD SERVICE AND ERNST HAVE LIVED ON HILTON HEADS SINCE NINETEEN EIGHTY FOUR.

>> AND ONE OF THE THINGS SEVERAL OF YOU HAVE MENTIONED IS THAT THE ISSUE WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS THE TRANSITION OF ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES TO COMMERCIAL USE AS SHORT TERM RENTAL UNITS AND HISTORIC SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS OF THE ISLAND HAS

EXPERIENCED EXPLOSIVE GROWTH OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. >> THIS TRANSITION HAS THAT'S BEEN FACILITATED IN PART BY THE LACK OF OVERSIGHT BY THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND.

THE ABSENCE OF REGULATIONS ADDRESSING SHORT TERM RANDALL OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES AND FAILURE TO USE EXISTING ZONING AND BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS TO CONTROL THE SAME THE UNABATED CONVERSION ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES TO COMMERCIAL USE AS PROFIT GENERATING RENTAL PROPERTIES IS DETRIMENTAL TO THE SURVIVAL OF HISTORIC ISLAND FAMILY ORIENTED NEIGHBORHOODS. THE CONTINUATION OF THIS CONVERSION OF ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES VERSUS THE DIMINISHES THE RIGHT OF SAFE AND PEACEFUL ENJOYMENT OF THEIR HOMES FOR FULL TIME ISLAND RESIDENTS AND CREATES HEALTH AND LIFE SAFETY ISSUES FOR BOTH RESIDENTS AND SHORT TERM RENTAL INHABITANTS. CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING ADOPTED GENERAL DEFINITIONS FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS A NONCOMMERCIAL DWELLING THAT IS

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TYPICAL ACCEPTED OCCUPANCY LIMITS FOR BUILDING CODES AND ZONING REGULATIONS TO PERSONS PER BEDROOM TWO PERSONS PER BEDROOM PLUS ONE ADDITIONAL INDIVIDUAL A DESCRIPTION OF A TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AN HISTORIC FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS BEING GRANTED FOR SHORT TERM OCCUPANCY SIZE BETWEEN ELEVEN HUNDRED AND TWENTY ONE HUNDRED SQUARE FEET.

TWO TWO TWO AND A HALF BATHS THREE BEDROOMS OBSERVED OCCUPANCY SHORT TERM RENTAL UNITS SIX TO 20 INDIVIDUALS THREE TO EIGHT VEHICLES A CURRENTLY LISTED HOUSE FOR SALE IN THE AREA IN THE REAL ESTATE LISTING DESCRIPTIONS SAYS A RENTAL MACHINE WITH NO P.O. A OR NO RENTAL RESTRICTIONS. WE HAVE A THREE MINUTE I'M OKATIE OR TWO WHAT YOU WANT TO WRAP BUT I'VE GOT TO LET THEM GO BUT I GUESS I'LL JUST READ THE I'M THE LAST.

I'M VERY INTERESTED GETTING A COPY OF WHAT YOU'RE READING. OKAY.

THEN LAST. I'LL JUST SKIP THROUGH A BUNCH OF THIS BUT THE UNBRIDLED GROWTH OF THE CONVERSION ARE VERY SAFE TO SINGLE FAMILY OCCUPANCIES AT VARIOUS LOCATIONS TO SHORT TERM RENTAL UNITS HAS CREATED AN UNACCEPTABLE DETRIMENT FOR A PRIMARY HOME OWNERS. THE DETERIORATION OF THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN HISTORIC IRELAND FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS ALLEGEDLY PROTECTED BY ELEMENTS OF THE ALAMO AND OVERLAY ZONING DISTRICTS HAS BEEN LARGELY UNSUCCESSFUL.

IMMEDIATE ACTION TO DEFINE, CONTROL, REGULATE AND RELEGATE SHORT TERM RENTAL UNITS TO ZONED RESORT DISTRICTS. AND PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS WHERE PERMITTED SHOULD BE INDICATED AT ACTION MUST BE TAKEN TO REMOVE EXISTING AND PROHIBIT FUTURE SHORT TERM RENTAL OPERATIONS IN HISTORIC SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. AS COURTEOUS AS I CAN BE I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN I READ THAT CAN I READ THE LAST CENSUS LAST YEAR? OKAY. LET'S SEE WHERE IT. UNFORTUNATELY THE RECENTLY ADOPTED ORDINANCE DOES NOTHING TO PROTECT THE OWNER OR OCCUPIED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES IN HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS. CONSIDER THE IMPACT AND LOSS THIS CREATES. AND THE PERSPECTIVE YOU WOULD HAVE IF THIS ABUSE OF SINGLE FAMILY OCCUPANCY OCCURRED IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU.

IF YOU WOULD LEAVE THAT WITH ME I'D BE VERY APPRECIATIVE. THERE'S ONE OR TWO TYPES OF LIGHTS AND I'M NOT INTENDED FOR MY RESIDENT BASE. SAID YOU'VE SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF TIME PREPARING IT AND I THINK THAT IT'S WORTH HAVING A COPY.

OF COURSE I'LL DO THAT. FRANK, WELCOME. >> WELCOME.

NICE TO SEE YOUR SMILING FACE. >> NICE TO BE BACK. THIS IS JUST PASSING ON SOME EXPERIENCE THAT I HAD IN THE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY BUSINESS WHERE WHERE WE WORKED WITH PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF AND LOTS OF PLACES WITH REGARD TO THE PARKING THING.

JUST A COUPLE OF TIPS. ONE PLEASE. WHEN YOU DO THE CONTRACT, KEEP IT LOOSE BECAUSE THE TENDENCY FOR PEOPLE LIKE US IS TO HAVE A VERY TIGHT CONTRACT THAT'S GOING TO COVER EVERYTHING I CAN SAY UNEQUIVOCALLY RIGHT NOW. YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO REALLY BUY BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS PEOPLE SAY WELL WE'LL HAVE AN OFFSITE PARKING. WELL, WHY DON'T WE GET DYNAMIC PRICING? WELL, WHY NOT? WHAT HAPPENS IF IF SOMEONE GETS SICK? WHAT HAPPENS IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'S REALLY BAD? I MEAN ALL KINDS OF THINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN THAT YOU DON'T ANTICIPATE. AND SO YOU GET A NICE TIGHT CONTRACT. IT LOOKS GOOD A PIECE OF PAPER. BUT THE REALITY IS IT GOING TO

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THIS IS A STAFF JOB. YOU NEED TO APPOINT SOMEBODY WHO'S GONNA BE IN CHARGE OF THIS PROGRAM AND THAT PERSON NEEDS TO BE APPOINTED PRETTY SOON AND THAT PERSON NEEDS TO BE AT THE TABLE. WHEN YOU NEGOTIATED THE CONTRACT, THAT PERSON NEEDS TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT WAS NEGOTIATED BECAUSE THAT PERSON WAS A VERY RESPONSIBLE FOR DELIVERING SERVICES TO YOU FOLKS.

HOLD THAT PERSON RESPONSIBLE BUT APPOINT HIM OR HER AS SOON AS SHE CAN.

I THINK YOU'VE GOT A GOOD FIRM. I'D BE HAPPY TO HELP IN ANY WAY I POSSIBLY CAN BUT THAT'S JUST THE EXPERIENCE I HAD AND SAW MANY TIMES. THANK YOU, FRANK.

OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SHAWN.

OH, I BEG YOUR PARDON. SOMEBODY PLEASE. GOOD MORNING.

I'M HATCHER WITH BEACHSIDE GETAWAY AND THE HILTON HEAD VACATION RENTALS ASSOCIATION.

>> JUST A QUICK COMMENT ON THE PARKING. I DO UNDERSTAND THAT A LOT OF THE LARGER VEHICLES WILL MAINTAIN THOSE SPOTS BUT ME PERSONALLY OUTSIDE OF THE BUSINESS. I'M A SINGLE MOM IN A VERY SMALL CAR.

I'M NOT TRAVELING WITH 26 PEOPLE THAT ARE ALL TRYING TO CRAM INTO ONE VEHICLE.

SO AS FAR AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL IN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT MAY NOT HAVE THAT 9 BY 18 SPOT BUT CAN STILL ACCOMMODATE FOUR OR FIVE CARS. EVERYBODY IS NOT NECESSARILY COMING IN A LARGE VEHICLE. THE OTHER SIDE AS IT IS WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THE OCCUPANCY AND THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WE'RE PRESENTING ON HILTON HEAD.

I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBERS BUT THE PERCENTAGE OF LARGE 6 7 8 BEDROOM HOMES ON THE ISLAND IS MUCH, MUCH SMALLER THAN THOSE OF THE 2, 3 AND 4 WHERE A 19 BY 8 SPOT FOR FOUR BEDROOMS TRYING TO COME UP WITH FOUR OF THEM IN ONE SMALL SPACE LIKE THAT WILL BE NEAR IMPOSSIBLE AND THESE ARE NOT FOR NEW PROPERTIES BEING BUILT BUT JUST THE HISTORICAL SHORT TERM RENTAL AREAS ON THE ISLAND THAT HAVE ALWAYS HAD THESE PREDETERMINED SPOTS.

SO I DO ASK THAT THAT BE CONSIDERED IN THE CONVERSATION IN THE FUTURE AS WELL AS WE MOVE FORWARD TOWARDS THE TOPIC OF THE OCCUPANCY AND HOW TO CORRECT THAT GOING FORWARD.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. SEAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE NEXT TOPIC ON THE

AGENDA? >> YES, SIR. FOR READY TO MOVE ON THE NEXT ITEM IS THE PALMETTO BREEZE TROLLEY SERVICE AND RODERICK SPRINGS UPDATE I WANT TO JUST MAKE A COUPLE OF OVERWRITE INTRODUCTORY COMMENTS AND SAY THAT I'VE ENJOYED WORKING WITH MARY LOU. I KNOW WE'VE HAD STAFF AND JENNIFER OTHERS I'VE WORKED WITH MARY LOU OVER THE YEARS. THE HELP MOVE THE TO START THE TROLLEY SERVICE AND TO MOVE TO WHERE IT IS TODAY. I THINK THE TROLLEY SERVICE HAS GROWN SINCE INCEPTION AND SERVES A LOT MORE PEOPLE. IT'S INCREASED EFFICIENCY OF OPERATIONS.

IT'S MODIFIED TIME OF SERVICE TO BE MORE EFFECTIVE. WE'VE MODIFIED TROLLEY STOPS AND AS WELL AS ROAD EXPANSION. BUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND CONTINUE TO HOPEFULLY GROW THE SERVICE KNOW I THINK THAT THE TIME NOW IS AT HAND TO QUESTION HOW WE STRENGTHEN AND ENHANCE THE BRAND AND EXPERIENCE. AND I KNOW THAT WE TALK ABOUT NUMBERS AN AWFUL LOT.

WE WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEE THAT GROWTH AND IT'S BEEN VERY TREMENDOUS BUT WAYS WE CAN EXPAND AND ENHANCE THE ISLAND EXPERIENCE AND USER EXPERIENCE SHOULD BE VETTED.

I'VE IDENTIFIED A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND I APOLOGIZE TO MARY LOU.

I'VE GIVEN HER THEM VERY LATE IN SORT OF IN A GAME HERE. AND I KNOW SHE'LL GIVE HER PRESENTATION. BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK AS WE MOVE MOVE FORWARD WE ARE TRYING TO OUTLINE THIS CORRIDOR PROJECT TO IMPROVE THE CONDITION AND CONSISTENCY SEE AND EXPERIENCE THROUGH THE ENTIRE ISLAND AND THE CORRIDOR. SOME OF THAT'S GOING TO BE TRANSIT AND TROLLEY STOPS. SOME OF THAT'S THE TRIP THAT TROLLEY AND TRANSIT SERVICE PROVIDED ON THE ISLAND. SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF VERY DIRECT QUESTIONS.

I'M GOING TO THROW THEM OUT THERE BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO START HAVING THE DISCUSSION ON THESE TYPES OF ELEMENTS TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE CONTINUE TO PARTNER WITH LRT.

AUBREY'S AN ISLAND TROLLEY ISLAND BRIDGE TROLLEY SERVICE TO SEE WHAT THEIR CAPABILITIES ARE AND THEN SEE WHERE WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO POTENTIALLY AUGMENT AND INCREASE THE USER EXPERIENCE AND EXPECTATIONS THAT WE HAVE. SO ONE AND I PROVIDED THESE MARY LOU AND DOES LRT A PULMONARY HAS HAD THE CAPABILITY TO INTRODUCE ALTERNATIVE VEHICLES. WE KNOW ELECTRIC VEHICLES ARE GROWING IN POPULARITY ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND BELIEVE ELECTRIC VEHICLES ARE MORE ALIGNED WITH THE ISLAND BRAND.

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SO ELECTRIC VEHICLES, OTHER SMALLER VEHICLES THAT CAN PROVIDE MAYBE MORE CONCIERGE CONCIERGE SERVICE USER EXPERIENCE IN SOME AREAS AND OPEN AIR VEHICLES THEN AND THEN MAYBE JUST AS IMPORTANTLY TOO AS WE TALK ABOUT TRANSIT AND TROLLEYS AND STOPS, DOES LRT HAVE FUNDING CAPACITY OR AVAILABILITY OR ACCESS TO FUNDING SOURCES TO HELP ENHANCE ITS EQUIPMENT OR SERVICE EXPERIENCE INCLUDING THE TRANSIT STOPS? I BELIEVE THAT THE CORRIDOR PROJECT THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY ON TO TALK ABOUT INTERSECTION DESIGN AND MEDIANS AND ALL OF THAT WILL INCLUDE THIS TRANSIT AND TRANSPORTATION STOPS LOOK AT BUS STOPS OR TRANSIT STOPS AND TRY TO DEVELOP A CONSISTENT PATTERN SO THAT IT'S RECOGNIZABLE SUITABLE WITH OUR BRAND AND JUST WANT TO KNOW AS WE CONTINUE TO PARTNER THE OPPORTUNITY FOR FUNDING FOR THOSE TYPES OF ELEMENTS. SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS I'VE LAID OUT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS I THINK BEGIN THIS CASH IN ON THE USER EXPERIENCE, A RIDER EXPERIENCE AND HOW WE BETTER ALIGN EVERYTHING THAT WE DO NOT JUST WITH THE SERVICE BUT ALL SERVICES WITH OUR ISLAND BRAND. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH RON. I APPRECIATE STAFFS TAKING THE TIME TO THINK ABOUT THAT. MARY LOU, WELCOME. GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

>> THANK YOU CHAIRMAN AMES AND THE COMMITTEE FOR ALLOWING ME TO COME BACK AND AND TALK ABOUT OUR TROLLEY SERVICES AND PALMETTO BREEZE AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO GO STRAIGHT TO THOSE QUESTIONS OR TALK ABOUT THE SEASON. HOW WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO MOVE FORWARD? I THINK WE'VE ALL REVIEWED THE NUMBERS.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE A COMMENT ON THE NUMBERS, GLENN? ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD? I HAVE WHAT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE A LITTLE BIT LOWER THIS YEAR THAN THEY WERE LAST YEAR. I WOULD EXPECT THE EXACT OPPOSITE AND YOU KNOW, WE WERE AS WELL OUR APRIL WE WERE WE HIT IT OUT OF THE PARK IN APRIL.

>> WE WERE REALLY ANTICIPATING A VERY, VERY BUSY SEASON AND IN OUR SEASON ISN'T TERRIBLE BUT BUT WE CARRIED MORE PEOPLE LAST YEAR UPON EVALUATING IT SEEMS THAT WE'VE HAD A WHOLE LOT OF AFTERNOON RAIN AND YOU CAN LOOK DIRECTLY AT A MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND AND IN 2021 WE CARRIED EIGHT OR NINE HUNDRED MORE PEOPLE IN THREE DAYS THAN WE DID THIS YEAR.

YOU LOOK AT THE WEATHER FOR MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND, IT WASN'T GREAT.

WHEN WE GET TO JULY 4TH THIS YEAR JULY 4TH WEEKEND WAS BEAUTIFUL WEATHER.

WE SURPASSED LAST YEAR'S RIDERSHIP. SO I THINK WHAT HAPPENS IS OUR RIDERSHIP IS VERY DEPENDENT ON THE WEATHER. IF WE HAVE KICK UP STORMS THREE OR FOUR O'CLOCK IN THE P.M. WHEN PEOPLE GET READY TO GO OUT TO DINNER THEY DON'T COME OUT AND GET ON THE TROLLEY AND RIDE IT AROUND AND EXPERIENCE THE ISLAND THAT WAY HOPEFULLY.

I MEAN WE DIDN'T NEED THE RAIN SO I'M GLAD WE GOT IT. BUT IT WAS SAD THAT IT AFFECTED OUR OUR TROLLEY RIDERSHIP. THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY BECAUSE I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS QUITE A BIT IS THAT LAST YEAR WE HAD RECORD OCCUPANCY ON THE ISLAND.

I CAN REMEMBER IN MARCH AND APRIL PEOPLE SAYING THE ISLANDS BOOKED INTO AUGUST.

>> WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS YEAR WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY VISITORS HERE AND SO I THINK

THAT HAS AN IMPACT AS WELL. >> BUT WE'RE STILL PUSHING FORWARD TO TRY TO GET AS MANY RIDERS AS WE CAN. SOME OF OUR EFFORTS ARE THROUGH OUR SOCIAL MEDIA.

WE HAVE A VERY ROBUST MARKETING CAMPAIGN. WE HAVE GROWN OUR SOCIAL MEDIA AND I'M LIKE YOU, TAMARA. I REALLY DON'T DO SOCIAL MEDIA THAT MUCH.

BUT WE HAVE GONE UP 64 PERCENT IN FACEBOOK FOLLOWERS 51 PERCENT AND LIKES 150 PERCENT IN OUR FACEBOOK REACH WHICH WE KEEP TRACK OF ALL THAT OUR PROFILE VISITS ARE UP TO AN HOUR AND FIFTY FIVE PERCENT. OUR INSTAGRAM REACH IS UP 43 PERCENT.

OUR INSTAGRAM PROFILE VISITS ARE UP 77 PERCENT. APR 75 PERCENT OF OUR FACEBOOK AUDIENCE IS LOCATED OUTSIDE OF THE LOW COUNTRY WHEN WE GO INTO THE WEBSITE.

BUT AGAIN WE HAVE A LOT MORE ACTIVITY THERE. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS WHAT WE ARE DOING TO ENHANCE THE RIDER EXPERIENCE. WE DID PUT VIDEO MONITORS ON THE VEHICLES AND WE HAVE QUITE A FEW VIDEOS. THE VIDEOS ALL HAD TO BE CLOSE CAPTIONED BEFORE WE COULD PLAY THEM BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT THE THE VOLUME DISTRACTING THE DRIVER OR THE RIDERS. SO WE DO HAVE LOOPS ABOUT HISTORIC MITCHELL VILLE THE

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WE USE CONTENT ALREADY MADE AND THEN GET CLOSE CAPTIONED. SO THAT'S BEEN A GOOD SUCCESS.

OUR WRITERS GUIDE. WE PRINTED FORTY THOUSAND OF THOSE.

I THINK YOU ALL SAW THEM THE LAST MEETING WITH THE 20 PANELS AND THE ADVERTISING SCENE AND WE'VE DISTRIBUTED THIRTY FOUR THOUSAND AT THIS POINT IN TIME SO WE'RE HOPEFUL WE'LL MAKE IT TO THE END OF THE YEAR WITHOUT HAVING TO HAVE THEM REPRINTED. WE HAVE LOBBY DISPLAY DISPLAYS WITH OUR SCHEDULE AND MAPS NICE BIG LOBBY DISPLAYS AT THE WESTIN HILTON HEAD BEACH AND TENNIS AND THE MARRIOTT COURTYARD. WE ALSO MALE BROCHURES TO ANYONE THAT ASKS FOR THEM. SO WHEN FOLKS ARE PLANNING THEIR VACATIONS AND ASK FOR BROCHURES WE MAIL THEM OUT. AND THE THING I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT REALLY THE BIGGEST WAY WE ENHANCE THE RIDERS EXPERIENCE IS THROUGH OUR DRIVERS AND WE'VE NOT HAD ONE SINGLE

COMPLAINT THIS YEAR ON ANY TROLLEY DRIVER. >> AND I I FIND THAT TO BE VERY REWARDING. LAST YEAR WE HAD A LITTLE BUMPY RIDE WITH THE OPERATORS AS FAR AS WHO WAS ON DUTY AND PEOPLE WOULD QUIT AND YOU KNOW, WE WERE REPLACING PEOPLE THIS YEAR WE HAVE A SOLID GROUP THAT REALLY DO A GREAT JOB FOR US. AND I HAVE SOME TROLLEY TESTIMONIALS THAT CAME IN WHICH I WOULD LOVE TO READ. THE FIRST ONE HERE WE GO FROM FOLKS ON OUR WEB SITE IT SAYS WE WERE IN HILTON HEAD LAST WEEK AND IT WAS THE FIRST TIME WE USED A TROLLEY. IT WAS GREAT. LAURA WAS OUR DRIVER.

HE WAS SO KIND. THANKS. HILTON HEAD FOR THIS AMAZING SERVICE. M.R. FROM CHICAGO. ANOTHER COMMENT.

NICEST BUS YOU'LL EVER RIDE. LOVE THE FREE TROLLEY IS ANOTHER COMMENT.

I USE THE BREACHED TROLLEY LAST WEEK AND IT WAS WONDERFUL TO GET MY FAMILY EVERYWHERE THAT WE WANTED TO GO ON THE ISLAND. USE THE FREE BREEZE TROLLEY GOES ALL OVER THE ISLAND AND COMES EVERY 30 MINUTES SUPER SERVICE EVERYONE SUGGESTED ON THE BREEZE IS SPOT ON EASY AND

CLEAN. >> SO THESE ARE ALL ON OUR FACEBOOK AND SOCIAL MEDIA WHERE

NOT ONLY ARE THEY POSTING PEOPLE ARE READING ALL THESE. >> WE'LL LOOK INTO IT.

THANK YOU. YOU DON'T HAVE TO CONTINUE. I HOPE WE GET THE MESSAGE.

YES. SO I DO BELIEVE HAVING THE GOOD DRIVERS THAT ACTUALLY INTERACT WITH THE PASSENGERS WE DO THE AMBASSADOR TRAINING WITH USCCB EVERY YEAR.

>> I THINK THAT IS OUR OUR BEST WAY TO ENHANCE THE EXPERIENCE WITH THE PASSENGER IS TO HAVE THOSE DRIVERS THAT REACH OUT AND REALLY HELP EVERYBODY. AND UPCOMING PROMOTIONS WE'RE LOOKING A COUPLE OF THINGS RIGHT NOW. ONE WOULD BE A PASSENGER APPRECIATION WEEKEND ON LABOR DAY AND BRIAN SULLIVAN, OUR MARKETING PERSON IS WORKING WITH DIFFERENT BUSINESSES ALONG THE TROLLEY ROUTE TO COME UP WITH SOME SPECIALS AND DISCOUNTS THAT HE CAN PROMOTE AND HE'LL HAVE SOME WAY FOR PASTORS TO GIVE FEEDBACK INTO

THE ONLINE FEEDBACK FORM AND GET THESE REWARDS. >> WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THIS TREND WHERE PEOPLE ARE PAINTING THINGS AND HIDING IT AND OTHER PEOPLE ARE FINDING HOME AND IT SEEMS TO BE A THING IN LOTS OF COMMUNITIES AND SO WE'RE WHERE WE WANT TO DO A BREEZE

TROLLEY. >> AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WE HAVE SOME VOLUNTEERS THAT WANT THAT ARE GOING TO PAINT SOME ROCKS AND WE'RE GOING TO START I THINK WITH ABOUT 20 ROCKS AND WE'RE GONNA HIDE THEM ALONG THE ROUTE AND IT'S A SOCIAL MEDIA DRIVEN SCAVENGER HUNT.

>> AND THE GOALS ARE TO INCLUDE INCREASE RIDERSHIP, SOCIAL MEDIA GROWTH, PROMOTIONS FOR CULTURE CHAI AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR LOCAL BUSINESSES ALONG A ROUTE.

SO WE'RE JUST DEVELOPING THAT NOW AND WE HOPE TO DO THAT RIGHT BEFORE LABOR DAY.

IT SHOULDN'T TAKE A WHOLE LOT OF TIME BUT PEOPLE GET A ROCKET'S PAINTED, THEY'LL POST IT AND IT'S JUST GENERATE SOME MORE EXCITEMENT ABOUT HILTON HEAD AND THE TROLLEYS OFF SEASON. WE PARTICIPATE IN A LOT OF FESTIVALS AND EVENTS.

WE DO THE CRESCENDO KICKOFF, WE DO THE LANTERN PARADE. WE DO HOLIDAY EVENTS AND WE ALSO CARRY THE STEWARTS FOR THE ST. PATRICK'S PARADE AT THE END WHEN WE PICK THEM ALL UP AND TAKE THEM TO RILEY'S. SO GETTING BACK TO THE QUESTIONS THAT SEAN PROPOSED TO ME BEFORE YOU JUMP INTO THAT I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE SMALL KLEINE AND NUMBERS FROM LAST

YEAR. >> I CALLED THE BILL MILES AT THE CHAMBER TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS A CONNECTION THERE. AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, IN MAY

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SAYING. THANK YOU. >> HOWEVER, HE SAID THAT AVERAGE DAILY RATE WAS UP 6 PERCENT AND UP 7 PERCENT THE SAME TIME.

GO AHEAD. LET'S ANSWER DREAD OKATIE. >> JOHN SO I THINK THESE ARE GREAT QUESTIONS AND I THINK IT'S IT'S SOMETHING I'VE LEARNED I'VE BEEN HERE AS IS I WOULD CALL IT OPERATING ON A SHOESTRING BUDGET IS WHAT I WOULD CALL WE WE DO NOT HAVE A DEDICATED FUNDING SOURCE. I THINK I'VE SAID THIS MANY TIMES BUT LARGER TRANSIT SYSTEMS, MORE ROBUST TRANSIT SYSTEMS HAVE SOME TYPE OF A TAX ,A MILLAGE, SOME TYPE OF A TRANSPORTATION FUNDS SO THAT THEY CAN GROW THEIR SYSTEMS AND PLAN THINGS UP TO FIVE YEARS OR 10 YEARS IN ADVANCE KNOWING YOU KNOW THE WAY WE CAN PROGRESS. WELL, FOR PALMETTO BREES WE DO NOT HAVE THAT. WE OPERATE ON A REIMBURSEMENT BASIS.

WE GET REIMBURSED FROM THE S&P T AND FROM THE FEDERAL TRANSIT ADMINISTRATION AFTER WE SPEND MONEY ALLOWED EXPENSES WE APPLY TO GET THE MONEY BACK AND WE ONLY GET A PORTION OF THAT BACK. AND THAT'S WHY I COME AND ASK FOR LOCAL MATCH.

SO WE'RE PRETTY. I WANT TO SAY HAMSTRUNG AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO DO ANY BIG

INITIATIVES. >> BUT IT IT DOESN'T MEAN WE WOULDN'T BE PLANNING FOR THINGS BECAUSE WHAT I FOUND WORKING IN THIS ENVIRONMENT IS IF I HAVE A NEED I HAD A NEED FOR COMMUTER BUSES. WE DIDN'T HAVE SIX OR EIGHT THOUSAND DOLLARS OF BUS IN OUR BUDGET BUT BECAUSE WE HAD THAT NEED AND I PUT IT OUT TO THE STATE TO THE FTA AND I THINK THAT'S THE PROCESS AND THEN WE'RE RECEIVING WE'VE GOTTEN FIVE BUSES REPLACED IN THE TWO

OF THEM ARE COMING THIS MONTH BUT IT WAS SLOW. >> IT WAS COBBLED TOGETHER A LITTLE CARES ACT SOME LAPSING FUNDS. YOU KNOW, HOWEVER WE CAN GET FUNDS SO CAN WE DO ELECTRIC VEHICLES? IT IS THE THING IN THE UNITED STATES RIGHT NOW THAT A LOT OF TRANSIENTS ARE GOING TO ELECTRIC VEHICLES.

I THINK WE COULD WE COULD TRY PUT THAT ON OUR LIST OF THINGS WE WANT TO TRY TO DO AND LOOK FOR THE FUNDING. AND SO I THINK THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.

THE SMALLER VEHICLES WE CAN DO SMALLER VEHICLES THE. AND WE CAN DO WE COULD DO EVEN THE GOLF PARTS IN OPEN AIR BUT WE CAN'T DO IT WITH FTA FEDERAL TRANSIT ADMINISTRATION OR SC DFT FUNDING BECAUSE ALL OF OUR VEHICLES ARE CRASH TESTED AND THEY'RE CERTIFIED IN SO THE TROLLEYS HAD TO GET CRASH TESTED WHEN THEY JUST DEVELOPED THEM AND SO IN ORDER TO BUY VEHICLES WITH GRANT MONEY THEY HAVE TO HAVE BEEN THROUGH ALTOONA CRASH TESTING AND SO THAT WOULD LEAVE OUT ALL OF THOSE OPEN AIR VEHICLES THERE.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE PASSED THE CRASH TESTING. COULD WE DO A SMALLER VEHICLE? WE COULD WE COULD WE DO CONCIERGE SERVICE? I'M A I'M A YES PERSON.

I BELIEVE WE CAN DO A LOT OF THINGS BUT WE NEED TO HAVE THE FUNDING IN PLACE.

WE NEED TO HAVE THE PLAN IN AND I THINK ALSO I REALLY DO HOPE THAT THE EMPLOYMENT EMPLOYEE SHORTAGE IS SHORT LIVED AND THAT WE CAN GO BACK TO HAVING EMPLOYEES.

WE'VE STRUGGLED WITH THAT. AND THEN THE OTHER THING RIGHT NOW THE SUPPLY CHAIN IT'S IT'S REAL FOR US. I ORDERED ALL THE VEHICLES THAT WE HAD MONEY FOR TWO YEARS AGO AND I HAVEN'T EVEN GOT ALL OF THEM YET AND THE NEW VEHICLES ARE PROBABLY 50

PERCENT HIGHER IN PRICE. >> BUT I EXPENDED ALL THE MONEY I HAD FOR VEHICLES WAITING FOR HIM TO COME IN. I'VE THREE MORE FIVE MORE THAT NEED TO COME IN.

SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT EVEN IF YOU HAD THE MONEY RIGHT NOW IT'S A TWO OR THREE YEAR DELAY AND A LOT OF CASES TO GET NEW NEW THINGS UNTIL SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES RELAX.

THE SECOND QUESTION HE ASKED ME WAS ABOUT FUNDING FOR ENHANCEMENTS AND INCLUDING TRANSIT STOPS. WE HAVE THE ABILITY EVERY YEAR TO PROGRAM MONEY INTO OUR FTA GRANTS AND ONE OF HIS BUS STOP ENHANCEMENTS AND WE DO HAVE MONEY IN THERE RIGHT NOW FOR TO BUILD BUS SHELTERS ON HILTON HEAD, THE FIRST YEAR WE'VE PUT IN TWO AND THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT LINE ITEMS AND WE PUT INTO BUY SHELTERS AND SO AND SIREN AT THAT TIME SAID OH I DON'T THINK HILTON HEAD WANTS A PREFABRICATED SHELTER. I THINK WE'D RATHER BUILD THEM.

SO WE CALLED FDA. THEY GO OH NO, YOU CAN'T USE THAT MONEY FOR THIS.

SO WE HAD TO LIQUIDATE THAT MONEY THE GRANT PUT IN ANOTHER GRANT TO BUILD WE HAVE THAT MONEY THERE RIGHT NOW. IT'S A STARTER. I THINK WE HAVE 80000 IN GRANT MONEY WHICH IS 80 PERCENT OF THE COST. SO THE WAY WE WOULD LIKE TO GO ABOUT THE SHELTER PROJECT IS TO PARTNER WITH HILTON HEAD PARTNER WITH THE BUSINESS.

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IS THIS WHAT THE TOWN LIKES THAT WILL COME THROUGH THE REVIEW AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT PARTNERSHIP. WE HAVE TO TO GET SOME KIND OF PROTOTYPE DOWN SO WE CAN

START TO DO SHELTER ENHANCEMENTS ON THE ISLAND. >> TWO MEMBERS, ALEX, HAVE QUESTIONS COMMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS. MARILYN YEAH, GREAT MORNING.

GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. AND I APPRECIATE A SO I'M TAKING THE TIME TO ASK THOSE VERY DIRECT QUESTIONS AND ALSO APPRECIATE YOU DESCRIBE YOURSELF.

YES, MA'AM. BECAUSE YOU WANT TO GET THINGS DONE.

I DO. AND I FOR ONE HAVE ENCOURAGED YOU TO ASK US TO HELP YOU BE THERE. YES, MA'AM. AND AS I APPRECIATE THE WATERSON GROUP STEPPING UP AND WANTING TO MAKE A BEAUTIFUL STOP IN FRONT OF THEIR NEW BUSINESS, THIS STOPS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE ON OUR ROUTE THAT IN MY OPINION ARE NOT ADEQUATE.

SO IF YOU GOT 80 PERCENT AND YOU'RE LOOKING FOR 20 PERCENT, COME CHECK US OUT.

I THINK THAT THAT'S DEATHS THE DELIBERATIONS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE AT A COUNCIL LEVEL.

DURING BUDGET DISCUSSIONS BECAUSE IT'S UNFAIR TO ASK YOU THE QUESTION IF YOU CAN DO IT AND US NOT HAVE THE MONEY BEHIND YOU TO DO IT. OK.

SO I WOULD JUST CONTINUE TO ENCOURAGE TO BE EMBOLDENED WITH YOUR REQUEST TO US OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY SUPPLEMENTING. NOW TO THE OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ALTERNATIVE VEHICLES, SMALL VEHICLES. I THINK THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT WE DEFINITELY NEED TO GO. AS I READ THROUGH YOUR DATA, IT'S VERY TELLING THAT THE HIGHER NUMBERS ARE IN CONCENTRATED AREAS. OK, AND I THINK WE ARE STARTING TO DEVELOP AN ATTITUDE THAT YOU CAN COME TO HILTON HEAD AND LEAVE YOUR CAR EITHER WHEN YOU CAME FROM OR LEAVE IT WHERE YOU STAY AT HERE ON HILTON HEAD AND STILL GET AROUND.

AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE OUR PARKING SITUATION IS NOT THE BEST.

SO GOING BACK THIS PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN TRANSPORTATION AND PARKING IS CRITICAL THAT WE CONTINUE TO DEVELOP THIS ATTITUDE. SO I'M NOT AT THE OTHER PLACES ON HILTON HEAD THAT HAVE CONCENTRATION VISITORS OUTSIDE OF PLACES LIKE THE WESTERN.

SO US EXPANDING THAT SERVICE WILL GET US TO A BETTER PLACE. AND I KNOW THAT COST MONEY, MARILYN. I GET IT. OK, BUT AGAIN, JUST ASKING YOU THE QUESTION IF YOU CAN DO IT. I WOULD I WOULD MORE APPRECIATE YOU SAYING YES, WE CAN DO IT AND HERE'S HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST TO GET IT DONE BECAUSE THAT PUTS US IN A DIFFERENT POSITION IN TERMS OF THE REQUEST AND YOU KNOW, THE THE THE FUNDING SITUATION WE RAN IN MONEY AT THE MOMENT BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE MONIES HAVE STIPULATIONS AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE MONEYS ARE NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO CONTINUE TO COME.

OK, SO IF WE AS A COMMUNITY WANTING TO CONTINUE WITH THE ENHANCEMENT OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, THEN WE'RE GOING TO FIND MONEYS TO DO IT AND NOT NSA JUST PASS THAT ON TO THE CONSUMER. SO AGAIN I KNOW IF IT DOES MORE THAN ONCE TO YOU.

BUT I WANT TO SAY IT OUT LOUD NOT JUST FOR YOU BUT FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FOR MY COLLEAGUES. THIS IS IMPORTANT. IT'S NOT FREE.

IT IS NOT CHEAP . IF WE WANT TO DO IT, WE'VE GOT TO PUT THE BUTTS BEHIND IT TO GET IT DONE. SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU FOR PRESENTATION.

AND JUST AS A SIDE NOTE, COUNCILMAN AMES, YOU'RE RIGHT THIS WAS A VISITATION NOT TRAFFIC HERE OR HEALTH MADE IN MAY AND JUNE. IT HAS BEEN DOWN.

OK, MARSHA, I'VE TOLD PEOPLE IN THE BUSINESS WORLD FORGET CHASEN 20 21 NUMBERS BECAUSE IT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU MIGHT NOT SEE AGAIN FOR A WHILE .

SO IT'S NOT IT'S NOT ALARMING THAT THOSE NUMBERS OFF JUST A LITTLE BIT.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. >> THANK YOU. I DIDN'T WANT ADD ONE MORE THING. THE GRANTS THAT WE HAVE THE GRANTS ARE MATCHED THERE MATCHED WHEN WE GET THEM. WHEN WE COME AROUND ACT ASKING FOR LOCAL MATCH WE MATCH THAT GRANT. SO IT ISN'T MONEY THAT I NEED TO GET BUS STOP ENHANCEMENTS.

I NEED STAFF HELP. AS FAR AS WHAT IS WANTED, DO WE NEED TO PAW PADS THAT KIND

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OF THING. >> GENERALLY WE PARTNER WITH A LOCALITY WHERE THEY WOULD POUR THE PAD AND DO CERTAIN THINGS AND THEN WE WOULD JUST TO BE CLEAR WHEN YOU SAID STAFF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TOWN STAFF NOT YOURS. NOW YOUR TOWN STAFF THINK THAT WOULD BE WE COULD MOVE FORWARD IF WE COULD GET SOMEBODY ON THAT THAT CAN MAKE THE

DECISIONS FOR THE THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MARILOU. AND BEFORE I START, I WANTED TO GO BACK TO SOMETHING THAT I KNOW YOU FOUND IMPORTANT AS YOU WERE READING THE POSITIVE THANK YOU'S ABOUT THE BUS DRIVERS AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THE STAFF MEMBERS INTERACTING WITH OUR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I WOULD JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW. AND FOR THE OTHERS WHO ARE DOING THAT JOB TO KNOW MY STEPFATHER WAS A HOUSTON TRANSIT BUS DRIVER HIS WHOLE CAREER.

AND WHILE THE YEARS THAT HE WAS AT MY LIFE, THOSE TESTIMONIES THAT AND THOSE WARDS IN THE PAPER ARE INCREDIBLY MEANINGFUL TO TO THEM. AND I WANT TO THANK THEM DIRECTLY. AND SHARING YOUR PRIDE FOR THAT ,I ALSO WANTED TO TALK AND JUST CONFIRM FOR ALL OF US THAT WE CURRENTLY DO NOT CHARGE TO RIDE THE TROLLEY.

CORRECT. THAT ATTACK DOES NOT CHARGE. SO WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT INCURRING ADDITIONAL COSTS AND WE LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS OF RIDERSHIP AS IT'S INCREASED AND HOW THAT HAVE THAT'S BEEN AN ATTRACTIVE WAY TO MOVE AROUND THE ISLAND HAS NOW BECOME PART OF A ROUTINE I GUESS THAT WAS ENCOURAGED BY REMOVING EVEN THE DOLLAR CHARGE THAT WE INITIALLY HAD HAD PUT ON THAT AND PERHAPS IT'S TIME IF WE ARE CONTINUING AND LOOKING FOR ENHANCEMENTS THAT WE BEGIN TO LOOK AT SOME SORT OF CHARGE FROM THE RIDERSHIP TO TO HELP US COVER THAT SINCE THEY ANYWAY. AND IN TERMS OF THOSE ENHANCEMENTS YOU NOTED A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT YOU HAVE ON THE SCREEN.

I WOULD I WOULD SUGGEST AND ASK THAT PERHAPS WE PUT SOMETHING ON THERE THAT INFORM US OUR GUESTS AND RESIDENTS EVEN OF HOW WE DO THINGS ON HILTON HEAD, HOW WE TALK ABOUT HOW WE PRESERVE OUR ENVIRONMENT AND PROTECT OUR WILDLIFE AND THOSE TYPES OF VALUES THAT HILTON HEAD IS KNOWN FOR AND WE ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO JOIN US. SO THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION I THINK MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL TO EVERYONE. I'M HEARING TODAY HERE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I'M UNAWARE OF . AND WE'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT AND THAT'S AN EXPANSION CORRIDOR PROJECT TO NOW INCLUDE ENHANCEMENTS ON 278.

AND WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR SHELTER AND THAT SORT OF THING, I ALSO AM VERY PROTECTIVE OF OUR ISLAND OUR ISLAND BRANDING CHARACTER AND THE LAST THING I WANT TO SEE IN ANY RESPECT THAT IS HAPPENING IS 278 BECOMING TO LOOK MORE AND MORE OR URBANIZED.

AND SO CERTAINLY OUR STAFF AND OUR DESIGN CRITERIA NEED TO BE NOT ONLY LOOKED AT BUT PERHAPS EVEN SCRUTINIZED AND DEVELOPED A LITTLE BIT MORE TO ENSURE ANY THING ALONG THOSE LINES ARE INCORPORATED. AND I'D BE REALLY CAREFUL. HAVING A BUS STOP AT EVERY CORNER FOR THAT REASON. SO THANK YOU. AND YES, I THINK WE ALL CAN ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE PANDEMIC YEARS AND THE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE WHO WERE HERE IS WANING AND AND SO THE TREND WILL CONTINUE I'M SURE. THANK YOU, GLENN.

DO YOU HAVE COMMENTS? YES. THANK YOU.

MARY LOU, I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT THE NUMBERS BEING DOWN. I ACCEPT THE ANSWERS THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN. IT MAKES SENSE TO ME. I BELIEVE THAT WE ADD A LOT OF PENT DEMAND FROM THE PERIOD OF THE PANDEMIC WHICH POPPED OUT LAST YEAR AND NOW PROBABLY WE ARE RETURNING TO SOMETHING MORE NORMAL. SO THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING AND GIVING A COMPLETE ANSWER ON THAT. AND DAVID OF COURSE REINFORCED THAT DATA FROM THE CHAMBER. I AM VERY IMPRESSED WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING TOWARDS WHAT WE CALL BRAND ENHANCEMENT. I THINK THAT IT'S VITAL THAT WE CONTINUE TO TELL THE WONDERFUL STORY OF THIS PARADISE WHERE WE LIVE. I WAS NOT AWARE THAT YOU THAT STARTED DOING VIDEOS. I'M VERY GLAD TO HEAR ABOUT THAT.

BUT I DO WONDER ABOUT CLOSED CAPTION AND MOST SOUND I HAVE I HAVE WRITTEN MANY TIMES THE

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AGAIN, NOT AWARE OF THAT. I WOULD ASK YOU HOWEVER THAT YOU HAVE THAT AT THE AIRPORT ON HILTON HEAD ISLAND AND IF NOT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT MAYBE YOU CONSIDER THAT AS ANOTHER WAY TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION TO THE TOURISTS AND PEOPLE WHO ARE VISITING HERE WITH US.

MY ENCOUNTERS WITH ALL OF YOUR DRIVERS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN OUTSTANDING.

I'VE ALWAYS MET WITH A SMILING FACE WITH SOMEONE WITH A COOPERATIVE ATTITUDE AND USUALLY CAN BEG AND ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. SO I THINK OVERALL YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB. I THINK THAT WE'RE STILL IN THE INFANCY OF LOCAL TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM HERE. WE'RE LEARNING AND I THINK WE'RE LEARNING A LOT.

AND YOUR LEADERSHIP HAS BEEN INVALUABLE. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPORT.

BUT DO CONSIDER TRYING THE VIDEO WITH AUDIO. THANK YOU, DAVID.

THANK YOU, GLENN. MARY LOU, FOR ME IT'S A QUESTION OF WHO HAS THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY TO DEVELOP AN ENHANCED SYSTEM OF MOVEMENT ON THE ISLAND.

I THINK COUNCIL IS PROBING THE IDEA THAT SMALLER VEHICLES, ELECTRIC VEHICLES, PERHAPS SOME

ROUTE ADJUSTMENTS. >> POPE AVENUE CORRIDOR OR WHEREVER MIGHT MAKE SENSE.

AND THE QUESTION THAT I'M ASKING YOU DO YOU WANT THE RESPONSE ABILITY TO RESEARCH AND PLAN OPTIONS AND COST OUT OPTIONS OR OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU FEEL REALLY RESIDES IN THE TOWN'S BAILIWICK? THIS WHOLE TROLLEY ADVENTURE HAS BEEN VERY COOPERATIVE AND I HAVE TO SAY I WORK WITH JENNIFER RAY AND SIREN THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS AND IT WAS INVALUABLE BECAUSE NOT BEING FROM HERE I CAME HERE WITH THIS JOB.

I DIDN'T KNOW ALL THESE THINGS AND I DIDN'T KNOW CHARLES FRAZIER WAS.

>> SO I DO NOW I KNOW A LOT OF THINGS AND THE STAFF HAS HELPED TREMENDOUSLY BECAUSE

THEY THEY LET ME KNOW WHAT THE TOWN'S LOOKING FOR. >> AND WE WENT OVER ROUTE CHANGES EVERY YEAR WE START IN ABOUT JANUARY. WHAT DO WE THINK? AND SHE HAD GREAT INPUT ON ON AREAS AND SO WE'VE HAD A VERY GOOD COLLABORATE RESPONSE WORKING WITH THEM ARE STAFF IS VERY SMALL. WE WE ARE SMALL BUDGET AS FAR AS TRANSIT GOES WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PLANNING PERSONNEL ON OUR STAFF.

WE UTILIZE THE EL COBB FOR OUR PLANNING WORK. STEPHANIE ROSSI AND SHE'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL IN JERICHO'S KOZAK BEFORE THAT. BUT YOU'RE PLANNING DEPARTMENT REALLY IS THE KEY TO US GETTING THIS PLANNED OUT BECAUSE I'M NOT A PLANNER BUT I TRY.

>> WELL, THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. IT'S JUST THAT THE TOWN NEEDS TO OWN IN ADVANCE AND AN ALTERNATE IDEA FOR SMALLER VEHICLES, ELECTRIC VEHICLES, ANY POPE AVENUE CORRIDOR ADJUSTMENTS. AND IT MAKES SENSE ALSO THAT MOST OF YOUR FUNDING PROHIBITS THOSE KINDS OF VEHICLES. AND SO IT REALLY DOES SUGGEST THAT WE MAY HAVE TO HAVE TWO SYSTEMS WORKING COOPERATIVELY ON.

WELL, I LOOKED INTO THE ONE IN CITRUS COUNTY, FLORIDA THAT HAD THE GOLF CARTS AND CALLED DOWN THERE AND THEY DID A CO-OPERATIVE FUNDING WITH THE DOWNTOWN MERCHANTS AND WITH WHO ELSE THEY HAD SOME KIND OF A SET ASIDE FROM ONE OF THE PROGRAM SO THERE ARE OR CARES OR SOMETHING THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO USE. NO FTA FUNDING.

SO IF THOSE VEHICLES WERE FUNDED AND AND ALSO THE OPERATING OF THEM IF WE COULD WE CAN STILL DO IT FOR THE TOWN IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANTED. BUT WE WOULD JUST CARVE IT OUT LIKE THIS IS NOT COMING OUT FTA FUNDS AND WOULD NOT ASK FOR REIMBURSEMENT FOR THAT SERVICE

AND THAT COULD BE DONE. >> OKAY. THANK YOU, MARY LOU SEAN.

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BUDGET, A BIGGER OPERATE. >> WELL, THAT'S EXACTLY ADDRESSED WHAT ALEX WAS ASKING FOR IF PEOPLE ARE SUGGESTING THAT THEY WANT TO EXTEND THE SERVICE.

WHAT WOULD THAT COST THE TOWN? I CAN GIVE YOU PROPOSALS FOR NEXT YEAR.

>> I'LL GO AND DO THAT. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.

GOOD. SO GENTLEMEN, BEFORE YOU LEAVE IN THAT QUEST FOR WHAT THAT WOULD COST, I'D ALSO BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING WHERE THOSE THOSE INQUIRIES AND REQUESTS ARE COMING FROM. ARE THEY FROM A HANDFUL OF TOURISTS WHO ARE COMING IN FOR THAT PART OF THE SEASON OR IS IT RESIDENTIAL INQUIRY? OK, WE'LL TRACK THAT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES BREAK RIGHT HERE BEFORE WE GET INTO THE ALAMO BECAUSE I THINK IT'S THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THE NEXT ITEM IS THAT THE PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE REVIEW THE LIST OF PROPOSED ALAMO AMENDMENTS AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON THE LIST OF AMENDMENTS TO ADVANCE IS SHOWN HERE.

HERE HE COMES. WELL, SEAN IS COMING HERE. WE ALL RECEIVED A PUBLIC COMMENT FROM MR. WEXLER WHO TALKED ABOUT THE NEED FOR MORE INFORMATION.

TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE WHY THE IMPACT AND ALSO THE RELATIONSHIP TO THE LAND USE.

I THINK HE HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. AND I WOULD ALSO APPRECIATE PERHAPS THE REST OF PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE WOULD APPRECIATE UNDERSTANDING THE WHY THE IMPACT AND THE RELATIONSHIP TO LAND USE. SO SEAN, AS YOU PRESENT TIER 1 A IF YOU COULD IN A SENSE ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES? WELL, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

AND JUST AS A GENERAL APPROACH TO TODAY, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT STAFF HAS ALREADY TAKEN A GOOD DEAL OF TIME PREPARING TIER 1 A LIST OF WHAT A DOZEN OR SO AMENDMENTS IN THAT TIER 1 B RISES ABOVE TIER 2 AND 3. BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH TODAY IS MOVING TIER 1 A FORWARD IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. WE'D LIKE TO MOVE AND I'LL GET INTO THE SECOND LIKE TO MOVE TIER 1 A ON TO THE ALAMO COMMITTEE AND PLANNING

COMMISSION. >> I IF WE REMEMBER IT'S HARDER.

I'M SORRY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I'LL JUST JUMP IN ONE SECOND TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, DAVID. I ALSO READ THAT COMMENT THIS MORNING AND I ALSO THOUGHT THAT MR. WINSLOW HAD HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD WITH THAT ONE FROM THE PUBLIC'S PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE THEY HAVE VERY LITTLE IDEA OF WHERE TO FIND THIS INFORMATION.

FROM MY PERSPECTIVE I KNOW WHERE TO FIND THE INFORMATION BUT WHEN I'M GIVEN A LIST LIKE THIS IT'D BE SO MUCH BETTER AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOUR TIME IS LESS VALUABLE THAN MINE OR THAT I WOULD NEVER TAKE THE TIME I WILL TAKE THE TIME TO LOOK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE UP. BUT IF THERE WAS A LINK SO I DIDN'T HAVE TO GO IN TO THE ENTIRE ALAMO AND COULD JUST HIT ON THEM. THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC SO THAT I COULD BE AS PREPARED AS POSSIBLE AND THOSE WHO ARE LISTENING WOULD UNDERSTAND MORE COMPLETELY WHAT IT IS WE'RE DOING. SO THANK YOU.

>> WELL THESE ARE THESE ARE GREAT SUGGESTIONS. COLLINSVILLE YEAH.

WE WILL GET TO THEM BUT NOT RIGHT NOW. >> WE'RE READY.

SORRY. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COUPLE INTRODUCTORY REMARKS AND I'LL GET IN THE PRESENTATION AND THEN APPRECIATE YOUR PACE. PATIENTS WITH A WITH US.

SO WE'RE INTRODUCING A SLIGHTLY NEW PROCESS WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD TO THE PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE. THE LIST OF ALAMO AMENDMENTS FOR INTRODUCTION AND I'M ASKING YOU TO HELP ME HELP THE PROGRAM GIVE US THE TOOLS WE NEED TO MEET THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE COMMUNITY AND TO IMPROVE OUR CODE . I DO WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE OVER ARCHING COMMENTS TO SAY I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH OUR CURRENT ALAMO AS DRAFTED WHEN I WAS WHEN I CAME HERE. I WAS BROUGHT TO HELP UPDATE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

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FROM THE BIG PICTURE. AND SO I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE ALAMO IS BUT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED MANY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN EFFORTS AND I'VE DRAFTED LAND ABOUT MY REGULATIONS IN THE UPSTATE FOR AT LEAST A HALF A DOZEN DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES. SO I KNOW HOW TO LINK THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND AND TO GIVE YOU THE TOOLS YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT AND ADVANCE YOUR COMMUNITY'S EXPECTATIONS.

WE DID A REALLY GOOD JOB WITH OUR VISIONING PROCESS AND DEVELOPMENT OF OUR PLAN AT LEAST TO SET EXPECTATIONS. WE HAD WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB LINKING OUR PLAN TO THE STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN WHICH WAS KIND OF GUIDED OUR BODY OF WORK FOR THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS.

WELL WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO IS LINK IT TO THE LAND MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE WAS WHICH IS A KEY TOOL TO IMPLEMENT THE VISION AND THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS IN OUR PLAN.

SO WE'RE WORKING TO GET THERE. ONE ELEMENT IN THE STREET PLAN WAS A SWOT ANALYSIS AND THIS IS SORT OF THE FIRST STEP. AND SO I NEED SOME HELP IN THE INTERIM TILL WE GET TO THAT END OF THE ROAD ON THE BIGGER PICTURE. AND I'M GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT SELFISH. I'M BACK IN THIS ROLE. I'M AN ASSISTANT TOWN MANAGER HAVE A SPAN OF CONTROL OVER COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BUT I'M ALSO THE ALAMO OFFICIAL.

IT'S NOT IT'S NOT MY TITLE BUT IT'S A KEY DUTY THAT I HAVE. AND SO I NEED TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH A LAND MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE. I NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S MEETING THE EXPECTATIONS OF TOWN COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY AND THAT'S MY GOAL TO MOVE FORWARD. I'VE GONE BACK AND REVIEWED AGAIN.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. I'VE GONE BACK AND REVIEWED THE HISTORY OF THE LAND MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE NINETEEN EIGHTY SEVEN . AND YOU CAN EASILY KIND OF MAP OUT THE THE POLITICAL AND COMMUNITY EXPECTATION OR ATTITUDE AND WE'VE SEEN KIND OF A BACK AND FORTH. I THINK WE'VE ALWAYS DEVELOPED CODE WITH SOME CONSTRAINTS AND I THINK WE NEED TO THINK A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY GOING FORWARD.

SO I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. THAT'S MY SOAPBOX MOMENT.

BUT I WANTED TO PROVIDE THOSE OVERARCHING COMMENTS. AND SO AS I ADVANCE THESE ONE A SOME OF THE WHY IS WE NEED SOME HELP RIGHT NOW WITH FOLKS WE HAVE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU'VE APPOINTED TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TO HELP US WITH OUR PROGRAM AND THE IMPLEMENTATION OF OUR CODE AND THEN SOME OF THE OTHER ONES ARE MORE SPECIFIC THAT WE'LL GET INTO MORE DETAIL. SO I'M JUST THAT'S A QUESTION BASED ON YOUR STATEMENT AND I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THE DIVISION IN THE REWRITE OF THE COMPOSITE PLAN, THOSE THAT WERE ASSISTANCE FROM A CONSULTANT STANDPOINT THEY WERE VERY CLEAR WITH US THAT THIS WILL EVENTUALLY LEAD TO A LAND USE PLAN OR A REWRITE OF THE ALAMO

AND I APPRECIATE IT. >> THEY HAVE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT WE ARE THERE.

OK. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS ARE THERE ANY OTHER OPPORTUNITIES OUTSIDE OF THE LAND MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE THAT WE THE FORMAT THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY USING AS A TOOL OR ANY OTHER OPPORTUNITY TO IMPOSE LAND USE REGULATIONS BESIDES JUST A WHAT I WOULD DESCRIBE TRADITIONAL ELEMENT THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US? WELL, THERE ARE DIFFERENT MODELS THAT COMMUNITIES USE TO IMPLEMENT. SOME HAVE ZONING.

SOME HAVE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. SOME OF THEM COMBINED THEIR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE LAND MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE, LAND OF ARMY REGULATIONS.

I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS BIG PICTURE, LET US ALSO LOOK AT THE TOOLS AND OPTIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE TO HELP DELIVER THE BEST RESULT FOR THE COMMUNITY.

OK. AND IS IT IS ANYTHING AT THE MOMENT IN PLACE TO BRING COUNCIL UP TO SPEED ON SOME OF THOSE OPTIONS? WE'RE GOING TO WORKSHOP THIS OR WE GOING TO JUST WE DON'T KNOW AND I'M TRYING TO FIGURE HOW CAN WE KNOW? YEAH, I THINK AS WE AGAIN HOPEFULLY WE CAN MAKE THROUGH THE THESE THE TIER 1 A AND THEN A LITTLE BIT ON THE TIER 1 B TODAY AS WE CONTINUE INTO THAT DEEPER SWOT ANALYSIS OF THE ALAMO. THAT'S A GREAT POINT THAT I THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE INFORMING COUNSEL OF OTHER OTHER MECHANISMS OR OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD. JUST TALKING ABOUT THEM SO I'M CLEAR ON ALL THAT OUR ALAMO IS THE ARE THE REGULATIONS, THE RULES, THE BYLAWS THAT WE FOLLOW AS WE ARE PERMITTING AND ENSURING THAT THINGS ARE IN COMPLIANCE.

WOULD ANY OF THESE OTHER OUTSIDE IDEAS THEN BE THAT OF THE SAME CALIBER TO ENSURE

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I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S OTHER RATHER THAN SAY THE ALAMO IS THE ONLY WAY THERE.

THERE'S OTHER OTHER WAYS TO GET THERE SO THAT EVERYTHING WE NEED IS AND.

SAY WOULD BE WE WOULD ALL BE ADOPTED CODE AND POLICY FROM COUNCIL AND WE WOULD IMPLEMENT.

EVERYTHING IS IMPLEMENT A SIMILAR FASHION LIKE SHORT TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE OR ARE THE BUILDING CODE THOSE ARE DIFFERENT TOOLS THAT WE HAVE TO APPROVE TO ENSURE PUBLIC SAFETY PROVISION. SO I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT WE'LL LOOK AT IT.

WE'LL LOOK AT YOU KNOW IF BECAUSE EVEN THE TERM ALAMO SOMETIMES HAS A STIGMA THAT

WE'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH BUT NOW IS THE TIME TO DO IT. >> LET'S TAKE A BIGGER LOOK AT IT. I HOPE I'M HOPEFUL THIS IS ONE OF OUR LAST EFFORTS LOOKING AND MAKING SORT OF THESE INCREMENTAL SPOT CHANGES TO THE CODE AND THAT WE CAN GET TO THAT BIGGER PICTURE HERE IN BEFORE BEFORE TOO LONG. GOING SO I'VE MODIFIED THE PRESENTATION, GOT I'VE TAKEN A COUPLE OF CREATIVE LIBERTIES ON THIS BUT AS THE DIRECTOR OF THIS DEPARTMENT AND AS THE ALAMO OFFICIAL THIS IS I'M RESPONSIBLE AS IT'S AT THE STAFF LEVEL FOR FINAL DECISIONS AND BY MY DECISIONS CAN BE APPEALED BUT BUT THE BUCK SORT OF BUCK STOPS WITH ME WITH THE ALAMO FROM A STAFF LEVEL. SO I NEED SOME HELP AND THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN PURPOSES OF THESE AMENDMENTS I'M ASKING THE COMMITTEE TO GREEN LIGHT TIER 1 A WE HAVE WORK WITH A CODE WRITER SAME CODE WRITER. WE HAD HELP WHERE TO DO THE SHORT TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE AND E BIKES ORDINANCE AND SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHY WE'RE AT THE POINT NOW WITH THE ALAMO AND IT'S WE NEEDED TO GET THROUGH THOSE EFFORTS THAT WERE A PRIORITY BUT WE HAVE DRAFTED THE TIER 1 A AMENDMENTS FOR CONSIDERATION AND ARE READY TO START MOVING THOSE THROUGH THE PUBLIC PROCESS. SO THAT WOULD BE SCHEDULED THROUGH THE ALAMO COMMITTEE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN COME BACK TO YOUR COMMITTEE. AGAIN, THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT PROCESS BUT WE HAPPY TO INTRODUCE THESE TO THIS COMMITTEE FIRST BEFORE MOVING THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND THEN THE TIER 1 BE WE WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN EVALUATION AND DRAFTING OF THOSE AND THEN COME FORWARD TO GET THE GREEN LIGHT TO MOVE THOSE THROUGH THE ALAMO AND PLANNING COMMISSION.

AGAIN THERE ARE SOME TOOLS IN BOTH 1A AND 1 B THAT I THINK WOULD HELP ME HELP OUR STAFF AND DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROGRAM BE MORE EFFECTIVE AND IMPLEMENTATION AND ENFORCEMENT

OF THE ALAMO. >> I DO WANT TO REMIND COUNCIL THAT THIS IS IN PURSUE OF A

STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN ITEM OF THE SWOT ANALYSIS. >> WE'VE BEEN WE MAINTAIN A LIST OF POTENTIAL ALAMO AMENDMENTS THAT SURFACE FROM MANY DIFFERENT POINTS OF INPUT . SOME COME FROM COUNCIL, SOME COME FROM STAFF, SOME COME FROM BOARDS AND COMMITTEES, SOME COME FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND WE KEEP A LIST SOME COME FROM OTHER STAFF AND TOWN MANAGER BUT WE HAVE A PRETTY EXHAUSTIVE LIST.

I'D LIKE TO SAY HAS EVERYTHING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AND PROBABLY THE LENGTH OF THE LIST PROVIDES AMMUNITION OR SUPPORT THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE CODE IN GENERAL RATHER THAN

72 DIFFERENT CHANGES TO MAKE TO THE GO. >> THIS IS SORT OF THE FIRST STEP OF THE SWOT ANALYSIS. I WANT TO DO A MUCH DEEPER DOVE AS WE GET INTO HAVING INFORMATION ON CONDITION CONDITIONS AND TRENDS. WE HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS IN MID ISLAND DISTRICT THAT MIGHT BE REPEATED ANOTHER STUDY AND REDEVELOPMENT AREAS BUT WANT TO GET THESE IN PLACE SO WE CAN HAVE THE ACCESS TO THE TOOLS THAT WE'RE OUTLINING HERE AS WE CONTINUE THAT LONGER BIGGER PICTURE EFFORT. SO AGAIN WE'VE USED A CODE WRITER. WE HAVE DEVELOPED CODE CHANGES ,TAX CHANGES TO THE ALAMO BASED ON COMMENTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED SO FAR. WE DO KEEP AN ONGOING LIST AND YOU'VE SEEN THAT IN YOUR POCKET AND THEN WE HAVE HELPED SAY DRAFT OR PRIORITIZED BASED ON WHAT WE BELIEVE OUR ASSESSMENT OF NEED AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING GO FORWARD.

SO AGAIN TO PRIORITIZE IN THREE TIERS I'VE I'VE ASKED THE SPLIT TIER ONE INTO AN A AND B BECAUSE WE HAVE DRAFTED A MEMO THAT HAD BEEN DRAFTED AND READY FOR REVIEW AND THOSE THAT NEED TO BE DRAFTED AND THEN COME FORWARD AT A LATER TIME. TIER 2 TIERS 2 AND 3 ARE IMPORTANT NOT JUST COUNTING THEM BUT THEY'RE REALLY INCLUDED FOR INFORMATION.

I WANTED TO GIVE THE COMMITTEE THE FULL LIST OF ALAMO POTENTIAL MOMENTS TO HAVE FOR REVIEW BUT I'M NOT ASKING OR NOT PREPARED TO GET IN TOO MUCH DETAIL DETAIL ON TIERS 2 AND 3

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DIXON HERE WHO CAN HELP WITH SOME DETAILS. >> TIER 1 A WE RECOMMENDATION IS TO REMOVE ALL STAFF WAIVERS THAT CURRENTLY EXIST IN THE ALAMO WHERE THAT PROVISION AND WE HAVE A BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS THAT CAN HEAR REQUEST FOR VARIANCES TO PERFORMANCE STANDARDS THAT ARE THAT ARE PART OF THE ALAMO KIND OF FIGHT ALAMO.

AND SO WE HAVE RECOMMENDED TO REMOVE THOSE STAFF WAIVERS. AGAIN, I NEED HELP.

I THINK WE HAVE A VERY TALENTED BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS. WE HAVE A WEALTH OF VOLUNTEERS AND BOARD SHOULD BE ADJUDICATING MODULATIONS TO ANYTHING IN THE CODE THAT ISN'T PART OF THE CURRENT POLICY AND NOT STAFF MAKING THAT DETERMINATION.

WE'VE HEARD ABOUT SCREENING ABOUT DOOR BIKES OR WHY MOVIE STAFF WAIVERS.

>> I THINK I'M RIGHT IN SAYING THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME DECISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN CRITICIZED AND THAT IT'S IN TO THAT IN PART BUT ALSO IN GENERAL STAFF ATTITUDE THAT

WE'RE DEALING WITH SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE. >> YEAH, WELL YOU'RE RIGHT ON BOTH FRONTS. AND I DON'T WANT A DECISION ON A STAFF WAIVER TO CHANGE BASED ON THE STAFF THAT'S MAKING THE DECISION THE WAY REALLY GOOD CODES WORK AS IF IF YOU HAVE A IF YOU IF YOU YOU SHOULD USE YOUR BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS TO MAKE THESE DETERMINATIONS AND IF YOU HAVE A SEVERAL VARIANCES COME FORWARD FOR THE SAME REQUEST AND IT'S SORT OF A REPEATED OR HIGH VOLUME THEN YOU SHOULD LOOK AT YOUR CODE TO SAY THERE'S A CODE .

RIGHT. RIGHT. WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO CONTINUE TO ASK FOR VARIANCES IF WE'RE GETTING A HIGH VOLUME. SO THAT'S HOW YOU MANAGE TO MANAGE AND MONITOR AND REVISE YOUR CODE . WE'RE ELIMINATING THE ABILITY OR WE'RE ELIMINATING THE SUBJECTIVITY THAT CAN EXIST WHEN WE'RE MAKING A STAFF LEVEL. THIS IS DECISIONS ON ON WAIVERS.

>> GO AHEAD. DON'T YOU? SO SINCE THE REWRITE OF THE CORPORATE FOOD PLAN JOHN, HAVE THE CRITERIA THAT THE BCA USES TO GET TO THE DETERMINATION

BEEN ADJUSTED. >> SO THE VARIANCE CRITERIA IS THE BUSINESS IS THE SAME THE

SAME PERSON FIRST RATE GOES UP . >> I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD THAT I'VE HEARD REPEATED COMMENTS IN ADDITION TO THE Y DAVID WITH REGARD TO WAIVERS AS THERE IS A

STRONG BELIEF THAT THEY WERE ACTUALLY ILLEGAL. >> WELL THAT WOULD BE A

COMPELLING REASON AS WELL WOULDN'T IT? >> WELL YES.

IN GLEN CHIME IN ANY TIME YOU HAVE A COMMENT BUT I'M GOING TO MOVE AHEAD IF YOU GO OUT THE SECOND ELEMENT ALLOW VARIANCES FROM ALL SECTIONS OTHERS AND USE AND DENSITY.

>> THERE IS A LIST OF ITEMS THAT ARE ALLOWED BY VARIANCE. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALLOWING AN APPLICANT TO SEEK RELIEF TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS FROM A PERFORMANCE STANDARD AND THAT'S JUST KIND OF CLEANING THAT PROCESS UP. SO AGAIN NOT STAFF WAIVERS EVERYTHING WOULD GO TO THE BOARD OF ZONING IT APPEALS FOR VARIOUS REQUESTS.

AND AGAIN THAT'S THAT'S A HOUSEKEEPING AND A DUE PROCESS ITEM THAT NEEDS TO BE MODIFIED AND SO ANY VARIANCE REQUESTS THAT OTHERWISE WOULD HAVE BEEN FOR PREVIOUSLY IF IT INCREASES USE INCREASES DENSITY AND I WOULD BE WOULD BE DISALLOWED IN ASSUMING THAT USE AND DENSITY I'M JUST GOING TO ASK TO MAKE SURE INCLUDES INCREASE IN HEIGHT OR EXPANSION OF SET OR REDUCTION OF SETBACKS OFFERS BUFFERS SO USING YOU CAN'T GET A VARIANCE FOR USE DENSITY BUT THAT'S THOSE ARE DEFINED USES WITHIN A CERTAIN ZONING DISTRICT OR THE DENSITY THAT'S APPLIED THE OTHER ITEMS LIKE HEIGHT SETBACKS THOSE ARE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS OF THE

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REDUCTION AND SET SETBACKS AND BUFFERS. >> CORRECT.

>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M BUILDING A SINGLE FAMILY WAS IN THE ZONE IS 45 FEET AND MY ARCHITECT SAYS WELL IT'S GONNA BE FORTY SIX FEET. CAN I GET A VARIANCE ON THAT FOOT OR NOT? YES. WHAT'S THE VARIANCE?

AND IF YOU MEET THE CRITERIA. >> AND HOW WOULD WE BE MOVED SOMETHING LIKE THAT FROM BEING ABLE. THAT'S THAT'S CLEARLY A QUESTION AND IN AN ISSUE.

SURE. AND AGAIN, I THINK THE DEEPER SWOT ANALYSIS IF WE WANT TO HAVE ABSOLUTE MAXIMUMS THERE IS NO WAIVER. AGAIN, RIGHT NOW THERE IS A WAIVER THAT STAFF COULD GRANT THAT WE WOULD PREFER THE BCA TO MOVE FORWARD IF THERE'S A DISCUSSION ABOUT HAVING ABSOLUTE MAXIMUMS AND THERE'S NO MODULATION ABOVE CERTAIN PERFORMANCE STANDARD. THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT.

SO IF YOU WANT 45 FEET I MEAN 45 FEET THERE'S NO OPPORTUNITY FOR INCREASE BEYOND THAT NUMBER THEN THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK ABOUT. AND SO WHERE DOES THAT COME AND IF WE'RE MOVING THESE FORWARD NOW, WHERE DOES THAT COME INTO INTO PLAY IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT DOES COUNCIL SIZE BENEFICIAL TO THE ISLET, WHERE DOES THAT COME INTO PLAY? DO WE TAKE THIS? I MEAN HOW DOES THAT WORK? WELL, I WOULD I WOULD GUESS THAT IF ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE FEELS STRONGLY IN A NEGATIVE WAY, THEN WE SHOULD VOTE ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM. YEAH, WE'LL TAKE NOTES ON THAT.

YOU COULD ALSO EXCLUDE HI FROM THAT ABILITY TO GO FORWARD FROM THE VARIANCE.

SO THERE ARE THERE ARE WAYS TO DO IT. THANK YOU.

AND AGAIN. ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE AS WE GET IS AS WE MOVE THINGS THROUGH THE REVIEW AND PUBLIC PROCESS BEFORE IT COMES BACK TO YOU.

IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE HAS ACCESS TO ALL OF THAT. WELL, MY STRONG SUGGESTION TO OUR MEMBERS HERE IN IS THAT WE MAKE QUITE IN PARTICULAR SINCE IT'S BEEN AN ISSUE ACROSS THE ISLAND BUT PROBABLY OTHER AREAS THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT MORE CAREFULLY BE EXCLUDED FROM FROM THIS VERY THANK YOU WILL MAKE THAT NOTE. ANY COMMENTS ON OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT ONE? NOT AT THIS TIME. THE NEXT ONE IS ALLOWED DOOR IS TO ALLOW OUTDOOR SCREENING FOR BIKE STORAGE IN A COUPLE OF ZONING DISTRICTS THERE. THEY'RE THE ONLY TWO ZONING DISTRICTS WHERE BIKES AYLA REYNOLDS IS ALLOWED THAT DOESN'T ALLOW OUTDOOR STORAGE BUT IT ALLOWS OUTDOOR SCORE STORAGE WITH SCREENING FOR OTHER USES.

AND SO THE WHY HERE IS THAT WE'VE GOT AN IMBALANCE BETWEEN COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS HAVE OUTDOOR STORAGE WHETHER THEY'RE BIKES OR NOT BIKES. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE AN IMBALANCE BETWEEN OPERATORS OF BIKE SALES AND RENTAL SHOPS THAT ARE IN DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS DOING THE SAME THING. BUT AFTER THEY HAVE DIFFERENT STANDARDS, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT LONG TERM AS WE LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE THAT WE DON'T TREAT CERTAIN AREAS DIFFERENTLY.

BUT I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'RE TRYING TO RESOLVE THAT IMBALANCE BETWEEN LIGHT COMMERCIAL USES AND OUTDOOR STORAGE AND THEN THE IMBALANCE BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT BIKE SHOP OWNERS. I KNOW THAT WE'VE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THE DEA ENCOURAGING US TO FAST TRACK THIS ISSUE. IS THAT PERMITTED, JOSH? MR. CHAIRMAN, CURRENT TOWN CODE SPECIFICALLY SECTION 16 DASH TWO DASH ONE THREE OUTLINES THE FORMAL PROCEDURE MECHANISMS BY WHICH TOWN COUNCIL MUST GO ABOUT CONSIDERING CHANGES TO THE ELMO AND A CLEARLY STATES THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MUST HOLD A HEARING.

IT MUST NOTICE THAT HEARING PART OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S EFFORTS THEY'VE ALSO CREATED A SUBCOMMITTEE WHERE THEY WILL INITIALLY REVIEW REQUESTS FOR ELMO CHANGES BUT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS BEFORE BRINGING A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION TO TOWN COUNCIL THAT YOU WILL THEN CONSIDER AS THE POLICY MAKERS.

SO THAT THE PROCESS ITSELF IS SPELLED OUT WITHIN THE TOWN'S CURRENT CODE .

NO, NO WORK AROUND ON THAT. >> NOT WITHOUT CHANGING THE CODE ITSELF.

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>> PATSY, YOU'RE CHAIRMAN OF THE DEA. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT IN THIS REGARD BECAUSE IT WAS OVER YOUR SIGNATURE THAT WE RECEIVED THAT LETTER?

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, FOR THE RECORD. PATSY BRYSON TODAY MY HAT IS AS CHAIR OF THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS. OUR CONCERN WAS NOT TO FAST TRACK THAT REQUIRED PROCESS BUT BECAUSE THERE IS A LIST OF PRIORITIES AND IN FACT WE DIDN'T SEE THIS LIST OF PRIORITIES AT OUR MEETING LAST MONDAY.

WE HEARD THERE WAS GOING TO BE A LIST OF PRIORITIES PRESENTED TO THIS COMMITTEE.

BUT WHAT WE WERE ASKING IS BECAUSE OUR REQUESTS REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC HAD BEEN MADE TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO. AND THEN WE WE HAD TWO HEARINGS ONE LAST MONDAY AND THE OTHER ONE THE PREVIOUS MONTH. THE SAME ISSUE HAD COME UP. AND SO WE RETHOUGHT THAT PERHAPS IT SHOULD GO DIRECTLY TO THE ALAMO COMMITTEE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION INDIGO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR ITS HEARING. THEN THROUGH THIS COMMITTEE TO THE TOWN COUNCIL. THAT PROCESS WE JUST DIDN'T WANT IT TO GET DELAYED ANY FURTHER. HENCE THE REASON FOR THE LETTER AND IT'S THE BOARD DIRECTING ME TO SEND THE LETTER I WAS SO SO DOES THAT ADD ANYTHING TO THE EQUATION?

OK, OK. >> AGAIN WITH THE GREEN LIGHT FROM THIS COMMITTEE ON TIER 1 WE WILL MOVE AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN TO THE ALAMO COMMITTEE TO HAVE THEM EVALUATE AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WE'LL LOOK FORWARD PLAN ANY COMMENTS? AND IS STILL THE NEXT BULLET RELATES TO MANUFACTURER USE AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN WITH MICRO NANO BREWERIES THE CURRENT CODE THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, IT'S VERY HARD TO DISTINGUISH

MANUFACTURING USE FOR THE SMALL THESE SMALLER BOUTIQUE. >> ESTABLISHMENTS.

AND SO WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FLEXIBLE IN OUR CODE TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE TYPES OF USES AND THEY DON'T GET DISQUALIFIED BY THE OVERRIDING LARGER MANUFACTURING CONNOTATION THAT IT'S ASSOCIATED WITH. AND SO THAT'S THE GOAL THERE.

AND I HAVE A QUESTION I GUESS IN A RESERVATION ON THIS ONE IS NOT NECESSARY.

AND I REMEMBER THOSE DISCUSSIONS AS THEY CAME THROUGH WITH PREVIOUSLY AND A HEARING ALL OF THAT. MY CONCERN IS JUST IN AS THIS SAYS RELATES TO THE SIZE AND THE LIKE THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE LOCATIONS AS PERHAPS THEY MIGHT GROW IN SIZE.

SO MAYBE OUR GREATER LAND USE PROGRAMING COMING WILL HELP MAKE SENSE OF THIS.

BUT I DO WORRY ABOUT LOCATION SIZE, AESTHETICS AND ALL OF THAT AS WE ARE CURRENTLY SITUATED. PERHAPS THIS MAKES SENSE BUT MAYBE AFTER WE HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF THE APPROPRIATE DISTRICT OR LOCATION OR ZONE WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.

SURE. >> AND CERTAINLY UNDERSTOOD. AND AGAIN I'M I WANT TO BE COMPLETELY UPFRONT ON THIS LONGER BIGGER VIEW. I THINK WE'LL RESOLVE A LOT OF THESE THINGS BUT THERE ARE SOME CHANGES THAT WOULD PROVIDE SOME HELP.

AND THE CENTER PROVIDES HELP. SURE. AND GETTING THINGS PASSED AND PEOPLE TO RUN BUSINESSES AND I'M ALL FOR PEOPLE LIKE BEING ABLE TO OPEN THEIR BUSINESSES.

BUT IF WE PUT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE WE ARE ESTABLISHING SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW IN THE LATER EVENT WE MAY VERY, VERY WELL HAVE WANTED TO DO OR HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY.

SO A LITTLE BIT OF A YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT AN ISSUE FOR ME ON THIS ONE.

OKAY. I WOULD LIKE THAT THIS WAS ALSO A REQUEST THAT CAME FROM THE BCA DUE TO YEAH I REMEMBER. YEAH. I APPRECIATE THAT AND I UNDERSTAND HISTORICALLY A LOT OF THESE BUT I SAW MY COMMENTS SEAN, IF WE ARE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD ACTION BECOMES PART OF THE EXISTING ALAMO AND IN ACTUALITY IT'S CONNECTED TO A PIECE OF GROUND AND THEN WE REWRITE THE ALAMO AND WE REALIZE THAT THAT PIECE OF GROUND THAT THIS ORDINANCE TODAY'S ALAMO IS APPROVED. BUT WE DETERMINED AT THAT TIME THAT IT'S INAPPROPRIATE THAT A PROBLEM WILL CREATE A LEGAL NONCONFORMING CONDITION.

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I HADN'T BEEN DEVELOPED FOR THAT I GUESS AND I'M JUST FOLLOWING UP ON TAMMY'S CONCERN I DON'T HAPPEN TO SHARE IT BUT BUT I WANT TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT OUR

OPTIONS ARE. >> YEAH. >> THIS AGAIN THIS PRIMARY PURPOSE IS TO CLARIFY THE BASE OF THE USE TABLE UNDER 4 FOR THIS TYPE OF PARTICULAR TYPE OF USE. IT WENT TO THE BRCA FOR A HEARING THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE A BIG BREWERIES ARE ALL CLASSIFIED IN CERTAIN WAYS AS MANUFACTURING.

BUT THE THE OPERATOR IT WAS A MUCH SMALLER SMALLER OPERATION SIMILAR TO A BAR.

SO SO IT'S REALLY LOOKING THAT CLARIFICATION. YEAH.

I I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT ALL OF THIS AGAIN IN THE BIG PICTURE AND AGAIN AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS THAT'S KIND OF THE LENS THAT WE WILL USE WITH ALAMO PLANNING AND BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE BEFORE IT GOES TO COUNCIL. ANY ANY OTHER COMPANY THAT WHEN WE GET WELL, I HOPE THE NEXT ONE'S A LITTLE MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD IS WHAT DARREN SUGGESTION IS ONE OF HIS LAST SUGGESTIONS BEFORE HIS RETIREMENT WE TAKE ANNUAL TRAFFIC COUNTS THERE BASED ON THE FORTY FIFTH BUSIEST DAY OF THE YEAR.

>> IT'S BEEN TYPICALLY BEEN A TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY TIME FOR IN JUNE LOOKING AT THE TRAFFIC DATA THAT THAT SHIFTED TO JULY TRAFFIC COUNTS. SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF MEETING OUR OWN PERFORMANCE STANDARD FOR WHEN WE SHOULD DO THESE KINDS CHANGE WHEN PLANTINGS ARE REQUIRED ON A SINGLE FAMILY LAW. AND BUFFERS THAT PART OF SUBDIVISION AND OR CERT OF COMPLIANCE BECAUSE I WANT TO JUMP IN ON THIS ONE THIS AMENDMENT WOULD PROVIDE PROVISIONS FOR A TEMPORARY A CERTIFICATE OF COMPLIANCE TO CHANGE WHEN PLANTINGS ARE REQUIRED ON SINGLE FAMILY LOTS AND BUCKETS AS PART OF A SUBDIVISION CERTIFICATE OF COMPLIANCE PROCESS. THE AMENDMENT WOULD ALLOW A PERFORMANCE GUARANTEE FOR A SPECIFIC PERIOD OF TIME WHERE LANDSCAPING AND OR DUE TO INAPPROPRIATE WEATHER CONDITIONS FOR PLANNING OR THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THE TREES WILL BE DAMAGED DURING ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES RELATED TO THAT SUBDIVISION.

SO WE'VE WE'VE HEARD COMPLAINTS FOR YEARS FROM DEVELOPERS THAT THEY REQUIRE TO INSTALL THEIR LANDSCAPING AS PART OF THEIR CERTIFICATE OF COMPLIANCE AND THEN WHEN THEY GO TO DEVELOP THE LOTS THEY'RE HAVING TO DESTROY THE TREES TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THE HOME AND DRIVEWAY AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. SO PAUL, JUST SO I'M CLEAR I HAVE 10 ACRES OF GROUND THAT I'M GOING TO SUBDIVIDE INTO SINGLE FAMILY VIOLENCE. IS THAT THE SITUATION THAT YOU'RE TALKING? YES, SIR. OKAY.

AND I GET MY DEVELOPMENT PERMIT SO I CAN PUT IN ROADS WATER, SEWER AND DRAINAGE.

DOES OUR CODE TODAY SEE THAT I HAVE TO START PLANTING THINGS AT THAT POINT? YES. ALL INFRASTRUCTURE AND EVERYTHING ON THE APPROVED PLAN HAS TO BE INSTALLED AND INSPECTED BEFORE WE WOULD STAMP THE PLANT FOR RECORDING PURPOSES AND HAVE THEM BUILD HOMES. OKAY.

I THINK THAT'S UNREALISTIC. SO I MEAN SO SUPPORT OF THE CHANGE ALTHOUGH I THINK WE HAVE A LARGER PROBLEM WITH WHAT THOSE SUBDIVISIONS LOOK LIKE. SURE.

SO IS THERE IS THERE A TIME FRAME? I UNDERSTAND THERE'S THE SURETY BOND AND ALL OF THAT THAT YOU WERE BUT IS THERE A TIMEFRAME WITHIN WHICH THE COMPLETION THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE PLANTED AND COMPLIANCE THAT WOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE REQUIREMENT? ANY IDEA WHAT THAT TIMEFRAME WOULD BE AS MY THINKING WE'RE TALKING MAYBE 12 TO 18 MONTHS AFTER COMPLETION OF ALL THE HOMES.

>> NO, NO, NO. ON AFTER APPROVAL OF THE SUBDIVISION.

OK. YEAH WE WOULDN'T C0 THE PERMIT FOR THE HOME AND TOLD THE LANDSCAPING BUSINESS UNTIL THEN. OK.

SO THAT'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT SEPARATE PARTS. YES.

>> YEAH. SO EACH INDIVIDUAL LAW WAS SEALED AND THEN SOLD THEY NEED TO HAVE THE LANDSCAPING IN FOR THAT PARTICULAR UNIT. BUT BY THEN THEY'VE GOT THE STRUCTURE IN THE DRIVEWAY AND WE'RE NOT TURNING UP. GOOD.

THANK YOU. MOVE ON. >> THE NEXT ONE IS AMEND THE DEFINITION OF A DWELLING UNIT. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE STRUGGLED WITH FOR SOME TIME AND DETERMINING WHAT CONSTITUTES A DWELLING UNIT. WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN A LOT

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AND SO WE'VE LOOKED AT SOME OTHER EXAMPLES AND ARE CALLED A LOOK AT SOME OTHER EXAMPLES THAT ARE MORE APPROPRIATE. WHAT YOU SEE IS A LOT OF TIMES THE ROUGH IN PROVISIONS FOR ELECTRICAL PLUMBING TO PROVIDE THE ACCOMMODATIONS INSPECTIONS DONE IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEET THE DEFINITION OF DWELLING UNIT. AND THEN QUICKLY THAT THERE'S A HOLE IN THE DRYWALL IN THE PIPE FOR THE STOVE POPS IN AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE MORE PROACTIVE AND AND GIVING US A BETTER DEFINITION TO HELP US ENFORCE THE DWELLING UNIT ISSUE

THAT WE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH FOR A WHILE. >> AND IN NOTHING I DIDN'T SO

AMEND THE DWELLING. >> SO AT THIS STAGE WE'RE JUST AUTHORIZING FOR Y'ALL TO DEVELOP THAT WHICH WILL GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THEN COME BACK.

>> YES, MA'AM. WHILE WE HAVE A A DRAFT OF THE LANGUAGE, WE'RE NOT READY TO SAY PLEASE MOVE ON THE COUNCIL. WE NEED TO GO BACK THROUGH THE APPROPRIATE PUBLIC PROCESS WOULD LET ALAMO IN PLANNING COMMISSION AND YOU'LL GET TO SEE IT AGAIN AND DECIDE IF IT ACTUALLY ADVANCES. OKAY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. AMEND THE DEFINITION OF CHANGEABLE COPY.

WE THERE'S THERE'S NEW TECHNOLOGY. THAT ALLOWS AN OPERATOR OF A BUSINESS AND LET'S USE FUEL CENTERS FOR AN EXAMPLE. YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW THE WAY THE CODE READS A LOT OF CODES READ REQUIRE MANUAL CHANGING OF THE PRICING.

SO YOU HAVE TO GO AND IF THEY'RE NOT IN OUR COMMUNITY BUT IN OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE THESE BIG POLLS THAT HAVE LITTLE SUCTION THINGS, THEY PULL THEM OFF AND PUT IN.

BUT HERE YOU HAVE TO GO OUT AND YOU HAVE TO PULL OFF THE YOU KNOW, THE NINE OR MAYBE THE

THREE AND MAKE IT TO A FOUR. >> HOPEFULLY WE'RE GOING BACK DOWN TO THE THREE BUT THEY HAVE

TO MANUALLY CHANGE THOSE THOSE SIGNS. >> THERE IS TECHNOLOGY NOW THAT ALLOWS ELECTRONIC ALLOWS AN OPERATOR TO CHANGE THEM ELECTRONICALLY FROM INSIDE THE ESTABLISHMENT BUT THEY'RE NOT LCD. THEY'RE NOT IN VIOLATION OF I WOULD SAY AS THE SORT OF CORE VALUE EXPECTATION WITH SIGNS THERE THEY'RE OUT THERE OTHER ANALOG ON A WHEEL THEY DON'T CHANGE OFTEN. BUT WHEN YOU CHANGE A PRICING YOU TYPE IT IN INSIDE AND YOU HIT IT WITH A LOT OF STAFFING SHORTAGES.

THERE'S NOT A LOT OF STAFF WHERE THEY CAN ACTUALLY GO OUT AND CHANGE THEM AND SHUT DOWN THE SHOP. SO THIS IS JUST TO PROVIDE A ANOTHER MECHANISM FOR OPERATORS WHO WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY TO BE ABLE TO CHANGE THE COPY FOR THAT BUSINESS. BUT THERE'S NO IMPACT ON THE WAY OUR RESIDENTS OR TOURISTS

SEE THAT SIGN. >> AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD WE'LL HAVE SOME VISUALS.

WE'LL SHOW SOME EXAMPLES. BUT BUT THERE'S RESEARCH THAT WE'VE DONE.

IT'S AN ANALOG. YOU CAN'T. WE'RE NOT CHANGING AESTHETIC GUIDELINES IN THIS RECOMMENDATION. NO, SIR.

THANK YOU. THE NEXT ONE. AMANDA MEASUREMENT FOR HEIGHT CALCULATION. AND I WANT TO PUT EVERYONE AT EASE.

WHEN WE ADOPTED THE FLOOD CONTROL ORDINANCE EARLY LAST YEAR, WE WE MISSED WE MISSED A

CHANGE IN THE ALAMO. >> THAT RELATES TO HEIGHT. SO WE WENT FROM BASED ON ELEVATION REQUIREMENT OF 14 PLUS ADDITIONAL FOOT. AND WITH THE CHANGE IN DATUM THAT THE NEW MAPS WERE BASED ON, WE AND THE NEW MAPS THAT CAME OUT OUR BASE FLOODS WENT SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER. WE WORK TO ADOPT A FLOOD CONTROL ORDINANCE TO TO PROTECT THE COMMUNITY AND MINIMIZE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO MAPS.

IF YOU HAD A PROPERTIES ADJACENT PROPERTIES WERE DEVELOPED.

SO WE MAINTAIN PROTECTION FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES A 13 FOOT LEVEL WHICH IS REALLY 14 BASED ON THE NEW DATUM AND FOR COMMERCIAL TO ELEVEN WHICH IS 12 UNDER THE OLD SYSTEM.

BUT THE WAY THE CODE WAS PREVIOUSLY WRITTEN WAS IF YOU HAD A SITE HIGHER THAN THE BASE FLOOD THEN IT'S MEASURED FROM THAT HEIGHT AND WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE DIGGING DOWN RIGHT BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO LOSE THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT THAT THEY'RE ENTITLED TO.

>> SO IF YOU GET TO AN ELEVATION OF 20 YOUR BOSS ON HILTON HEAD ELEVATION OF 20 OR HIGHER THE MEASUREMENT OF HEIGHT WOULDN'T START AT ELEVEN FEET OR 13 FEET.

IT SHOULD START WITH THE GRADE OF THAT GROUND. SO IT'S NOT A CHANGE IN HOW MUCH YOU CAN BUILD ABOVE. BUT WE WERE WE WERE SORT OF PENALIZING FOLKS THAT HAD HIGHER GROUND WHICH IS NOT THE WAY IT'S CLEANING UP THAT THAT MAIN MAIN DISCREPANCY WHEN WE

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IS THAT SINGLE FAMILY? YEAH. SO IF YOU'RE IN ELEVATION RIGHT NOW A PART OF A YOU'D FOR SINGLE FAMILY YOU HAVE TO GET TO ELEVEN.

AND WHEN YOU START MEASURING HEIGHT YOU START MEASURING AT THAT BASE FLOOD ELEVATION.

AND SO IT BE 35 FEET OR FORTY FIVE FEET FROM THERE. THAT GETS ADDED ON.

AND SO AND SO THEN IF IT'S 20 FEET IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE STARTING GROUND, IS IT TO USE YOUR EXAMPLE AT 20? ARE WE SAYING THAT IN ORDER TO GIVE PEOPLE THAT ADDITIONAL SPACE WE'RE NOT ADDING ON? SO JUST HELP ME UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I'M WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE NOT RAISING ONE INCH ABOVE WHERE OUR ZONING GOT AND THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

SO IF YOU WERE AT A BASE FLOOD ELEVATION OF EIGHT BUT YOU'RE REQUIRED BY CODE TO HAVE A MINIMUM FOOT FIRST FINISH FLOOR OF ELEVEN FEET THAT THREE FEET IS NOT DOESN'T COUNT AGAINST YOUR HEIGHT IN ORDER TO HAVE THE FINISH FULL IF YOU'RE ABOVE ELEVEN, IF YOU'RE AT 20 FEET AND YOU'RE ALLOWED TO BUILD 35 FEET THIRTY FIVE FOOT HOME FROM GRADE NOT 11 FEET BUT FROM

GRADE 20 FEET YOU CAN BUILD 35 FEET. >> THERE'S NO THERE'S NO IT THIS ISN'T INCREASING HEIGHT. IT'S JUST SAYING WE'RE NOT PENALIZING FOLKS THAT HAVE AN ELEVATION ABOVE 11 OR 13 BY SAYING YOU'RE LOSING PART OF YOUR HEIGHT BECAUSE WHERE YOU LAND IN THE ELEVATION YOU GO AHEAD. I'M PRESUMING YOU HAVE.

FEET. IT WAS CONFUSING TO ME JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS CLEAR NOW THAT I'M HAPPY THAT HEIGHT IS AGAINST ME IS ALWAYS A CONTROVERSIAL TOPIC AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON IT. THE SKI NEXT TO AN AD OWNER'S CONSENT REQUIRED FOR MINOR SUBDIVISIONS RIGHT NOW. WELL, OWNERS HAVE CONSENT WAS REALLY SHOULD BE ALLOWED FOR ALL APPLICATIONS BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S LISTED AS AN EXEMPTION FOR MINORS SUBDIVISIONS AND THAT'S CLEAR. THIS JUST COMES BACK AND SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE OWNERS CONSENT FOR A MINOR SUBDIVISION APPLICATION .

WHY DIDN'T WE REQUIRE THAT AT THE OUTSET? IT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.

I HAVE. ALL RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW.

IT'S JUST WE LOOKED AT A LARGE PREVIOUS JUST GOT TRANSFERRED INTO THE 2014 REFERENCES IN THE

APPLICATION SECTION 60 FOR MINOR SUBDIVISION. >> IT SAYS EVERYTHING THAT'S REQUIRED TO THE MAJOR SUBDIVISION LIST IS REQUIRED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF OWNERS CONSENT TO OPEN SPACE. AND I THINK THAT WAS JUST AN ERROR.

I WAS GOING TO SAY BECAUSE THERE'S A NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN, YOU KNOW, WE GOT IT BUT SORT

OF A IT'S A REALLY IT'S JUST CLEANING THAT UP. >> IT SHOULDN'T BE IT SHOULD BE THERE. AND THEN THE LAST ONE IN TIER ONE A PROVIDE STANDARDS FOR

DEVIATIONS FROM PREVIOUSLY PLOTTED SUBDIVISIONS. >> SO WE HAD A LEGAL DETERMINATION THAT PREVIOUSLY PLOTTED DIVISIONS. I CAN BE MODIFYING YOUR OPEN SPACE OR YOUR ROADWAY THAT YOU NEEDED TO HAVE CONSENT FROM THIS FROM THE INDIVIDUAL OWNERS AND SUBDIVISION. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ARTICULATE HERE AND WE PROBABLY HAVEN'T DONE IT THE BEST WAY IS TO SAY IF YOU'VE GOT A PREVIOUSLY PLOTTED SUBDIVISION WE ARE GOING TO BE VERY SENSITIVE AND MODULATIONS WITH SHIFTING OF A LINE HERE AND THERE TO TRY TO INCREASE DENSITY WITHIN THOSE MODERN SUBDIVISIONS. AND SO WE DON'T WANT FOLKS SELLING PAUL SMALL PORTIONS OF THEIR PROPERTY. AND SO SOMEONE CAN AGGREGATE AND OVERALL OR ADDING A DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL INTO THAT SUBDIVISION WHERE THEY COULD DO ONE UNIT ON THAT PROPERTY AND NOW THEY CAN KIND OF DO TOO BECAUSE THEY'VE SQUEEZED, YOU

KNOW, SOME SQUARE FOOTAGE FROM THEIR ADJACENT LOTS. >> OKAY.

I THINK I KNOW YOU'RE DRIVING AT. BUT IF IF THE THREE OF US MOVE INTO A SUBDIVISION AND THE OWNER THE DEVELOPERS STILL HAS CONTROL IN THAT DEVELOPER WANTS TO ADJUST OPEN SPACE LINE WHATEVER. DO THE THREE OF US GET TO SAY NO UNDER THIS LANGUAGE OR NOT? WELL, IF THE IF THE SUBDIVISION THE PLOT OF THE SUBDIVISION HAD BEEN APPROVED. YES, SIR. NOW IF IT WAS DONE AS A PHASING

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OKAY. ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS ON THAT.

OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

I NOTED THAT IT'S BECKER HAD QUESTIONS ON THE HEIGHT ISSUE AND ON THE VARIANCE.

OUR MAN FACTORING I THOSE NOTED IN OK. THAT'S RIGHT.

I DON'T THINK LINE IS STILL WITH US IS A GLENN YOU THERE? RAISE MY HAND AND I HAVEN'T GOT RECOGNIZED. ALL RIGHT. AM I ON THE LINE? THERE YOU ARE. YOU ARE. SPEAK UP.

THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY THAT SEAN STARTED OUT TALKING ABOUT MAKING THESE PIECEMEAL CORRECTIONS IN ANTICIPATION AND MAYBE A REWRITE COMING DOWN THE ROAD. I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT AND I THINK IT PROBABLY MAKES THE MOST SENSE ALTHOUGH IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LONG TIME FOR ALL THAT TO BE ACCOMPLISHED.

BUT HE ALSO STARTED OFF WITH COMMENTS THAT A LOT OF THIS IS LOOKING FOR OR TO A DEVELOPING A FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND TRYING TO DECIDE ABOUT CONTROL TOOLS ON DEVELOPMENT MOVING FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT BEGINNING EFFORT IS SCHEDULED TO OCCUR IN THE LAST QUARTER OF THIS YEAR AND I LOOK FORWARD TO OUR PARTICIPATING IN THAT TO TRY TO GET SOME SORT OF CONTROLS ON THE GROWTH OF THE ISLAND WITH REFERENCE TO THE TIER 1 A MATTERS. I THINK SEAN HAS GIVEN A GOOD AND CLEAR CLARIFICATION.

I KNOW THAT A NUMBER OF THESE HAVE BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR A LONG TIME STARTING OFF WITH STAFF WAIVERS WHEN I WAS SERVING ON THE THESE DDA YEARS. SO THAT WAS AN ISSUE AND IT CAUSED B.J. A LOT OF PROBLEMS AND SO IT'S ABOUT TIME THAT THIS IS BEING CORRECTED AND WE CAN BLAME THAT ON THE NEW SHERIFF BEING IN TOWN OR WHATEVER.

BUT I AM COMFORTABLE WITH MOVING THESE MATTERS FORWARD IN TIER 1 A TO THE PLANNING

COMMISSION ELMO COMMITTEE. THANK YOU, DAVID. >> WILL YOU MAKE THAT AS A MOTION? I GUESS I MOVE THAT PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE MOVE THE TIER 1 A AMENDMENTS TO THE ALAMO FORWARD TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION L.A. COMMITTEE FOR ADOPTION OR RECOMMENDATION RATHER TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN EVENTUALLY BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE AND ON THE TOWN COUNCIL. THANK YOU.

IS OUR SECOND SECOND. BUT I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION IF YOU SECOND IT.

YES. OKAY THEN THIS WE'LL HAVE DISCUSSION AND PUBLIC COMMENTS.

GO AHEAD. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. THANK YOU.

AND A SOURCE I HAVE ACTUALLY NOTICED WHEN I JUST FORCED NOT SICK.

>> I HAVE A REQUEST AND I'M NOT SURE HOW BEST TO MAKE IT THAT SINCE WE'RE MOVING TIER 1 FORWARD THERE IS A NET AND MAYBE NICOLE YOU CAN SPEAK TO THIS SHYNESS.

YOU MAY HAVE HEARD OF THIS AS WELL. WE HAVE ON THE PERMIT IF I'M CORRECT AN AREA WHERE THE APPLICANT CHECKS OFF THAT THERE ARE NO COVENANTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT EXISTS AND IT IS A MATTER OF FAITH THAT IT'S BEEN CHECKED.

AND WITH THAT AND THERE IS NOTHING THAT PREVENTS THE PERSON FROM DOING WHAT FROM AN A OR B OR A COMMUNITY STANDARDS PERSPECTIVE THAT PREVENTS THIS PERSON FROM MAKING THAT APPLICATION AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CHANGED BUT I DON'T THINK WE REQUIRE THAT THE APPROVAL FROM THE A OR B FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD STANDARDS BE SUBMITTED AT THE SAME TIME AND I THINK IT'S SMART PERHAPS THAT WE CONSIDER DOING THAT THAT IF SOMEONE COMES IN AND THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD IS REVIEWED THE PLAN PREVIOUSLY SAID YES, IT MEETS OUR COVENANTS ET CETERA THAT THEY JUST INCLUDE THAT DOCUMENT TO MAKE THE EASE OF YOURS JOB A LITTLE BIT MORE FREE FLOWING AND LESS CONTROVERSIAL SHOULD SOMEONE MAY HAVE FORGOTTEN TO FIRST GO THROUGH THEIR EVERYDAY? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IF SO, IS THERE A WAY TO MOVE THAT FORWARD WITH THIS FIRST TIER? WELL, IS THAT A POLICY CHANGE OR IS THAT AN ALAMO DISH AMENDMENT? IT WOULD BE A CHANGE IN THE

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THAT WAS A GOOD QUESTION, DAVID. AND SO I'M JUST SO I CAN

UNDERSTAND IS IT AN ALAMO CHANGE OR IS IT JUST A POLICY? >> WELL, I THINK WE DO I THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT IF THAT'S JUST DONE AT THE OPERATIONAL LEVEL OF THE CERTAINLY ALL OF OUR APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS ARE OUR PART OF THE FARMS OF THE FOLKS FILL OUT.

BUT IT DEPENDS ON SOME OF THE LEGALITY OF ARE WE ARE WE DOING TITLE OUR RESEARCH OR WE WERE YOU KNOW WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE. SO I MEAN LOOK AT THAT MARK AND I SUPPORT THE DIRECTION. YEAH. OKAY.

SO YEAH. THANK YOU, SEAN. THERE'S A VERY DIRECT QUESTION HERE. A YOU MENTIONED YOUR YOUR TAKE ON THE CURRENT ALAMO THAT YOU CAN GO BACK TO HISTORICALLY AND SEE ITEMS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN CHANGED POLITICALLY OR OTHERWISE TO A POINT IN IT IS POLITICAL IN YOUR OPINION. I HAVE A HARDER TIME WITH THESE AMENDMENTS SEEING WHERE IT WAS A UNIQUE SITUATION THAT WAS TRIED WE TRIED TO ACCOMMODATE TO THE CODE . SO NO, I DON'T THINK THESE ARE I THINK THESE ARE ITEMS THAT HAVE POPPED UP A FEW TIMES THAT NEED ATTENTION. SO NO I DON'T I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THESE ARE POLITICALLY DRIVEN. AND AT THE MOMENT THERE'S A PROCESS BEFORE IT GETS BACK TO US THAT INCLUDES ALAMO SEE IT COMMITTEE IN IT PLANNING A COMMISSION C IN IT AND THEN THIS COMMITTEE WHICH WILL INVOLVE A LOT OF PUBLIC NOTIFICATION AND COMMENT. CORRECT? YES, SIR.

AND THE TOOLS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS USING CURRENTLY ARE WHAT WHEN TWO ELMO AMENDMENTS. CAN WE BRIEFLY DESCRIBE THOSE FOR ME PLEASE?

CAN YOU EXPLAIN YOUR QUESTION? >> WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS GONNA SAY YES OR NO TO WHAT'S BEEN ASKED BY STAFF AND THEY'RE GOING TO USE SOMETHING TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION? WHA? JUST A BRIEF UNDERSTANDING OF THE TOOL THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD USE.

YEAH, I THINK THEY LOOK AT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE COMMITTEE.

IT'S THE LANGUAGE IS TYPICALLY VETTED THROUGH THAT AND SOMETIMES WE GO WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE COMMITTEE TO REFINE THAT LANGUAGE AND THEN IT'S BROUGHT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. THEY TAKE PUBLIC INPUT.

THEY TAKE THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE COMMITTEE. THERE'S NO SET OF CRITERIA IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING THAT THEY REVIEW WELL, WELL, WELL. BUT MAYBE THIS MARRIAGE LEVEL WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS A CLEAR COMMUNICATION PLAN THAT THESE ARE COMING FORWARD.

THESE ARE STANDARDS THESE WILL BE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE HELP OF OUR CO-WRITER ON CHANGES THAT GO TO ALAMO COMMITTEE. I WILL RELY ON THEIR EXPERTISE AS THE COMMITTEE NEEDS RECOMMENDED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ENCOURAGE PUBLIC INPUT INTO THE PROCESS AND THEN BRING THE ENTIRE PROCESS IS AS PUBLIC PUBLIC HEARINGS AND AND JUST AS A REMINDER ONE EVERYTHING UP TO THE POINT WHERE COMES BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE IS A RECOMMENDATION AND THEN YOU'LL MAKE A FINAL RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL ON POLICY ACTUAL ACTION. SO HAVE THINGS CHANGED SINCE SINCE I SAT ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHERE WE WERE USING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS OUR GUIDE TO MAKE DECISIONS? IS THAT STILL THE CRITERIA? YES, SIR. OK.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THE COACHING AND TIMING. IF WE WERE TO SAY YES TO THIS TODAY.

PUSHING IT THROUGH ALAMO COMMITTEE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN BACK TO US.

WHAT'S BEST THE BEST BEST CASE SCENARIO AS FAR AS TIMING IS CONCERNED?

>> PROBABLY TWO OR THREE MONTHS TO GET BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE. OKAY.

AND AGAIN I WILL ONE CAVEAT THAT BY HOW MUCH THE INPUT THAT WE GET ALONG THE WAY YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO GET STUCK IN THE SPIN CYCLE ON TOO MANY OF THESE AND I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE WON'T BUT WE'LL LET THE PUBLIC PROCESS DICTATE THE LENGTH.

BUT I WOULD SAY TWO TO THREE MONTHS BACK IN THIS COMMITTEE. OKAY.

I JUST WANT, MR. CHAIR, THAT WE SIT IN A VERY UNIQUE SPOT IN THIS COMMITTEE BECAUSE BEFORE THESE AMENDMENTS REACH FOR COUNSEL WE WILL SEE THEM FIRST. SO I'M I'M PLEASED TO HEAR FROM STAFF THAT AT THE MOMENT NONE OF THESE ARE POLITICAL. THEY COME IN FROM SITUATIONS THAT CONTINUE TO ARISE HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND NEED SOME ATTENTION.

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SO I JUST OFFER I'M READY FOR WHAT THERE IS. I THINK STAFF HAS PRESENTED A GOOD PATH FORWARD. WE NEED TO SUPPORT NOT JUST HERE TO HERE BUT ALSO THE IDEA OF US LOOKING AT A DEEPER DOVE AS TO WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH OUR LAND USE ON HILTON.

SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING THIS. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION.

YOUR ANSWERS. I'D LIKE TO INVITE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME.

CHET, THANK YOU FOR BEING PATIENT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

AND CHESTER WILLIAMS, WITH RESPECT TO THESE AMENDMENTS, THE DEVIL'S ALWAYS IN THE DETAILS. SO I MEAN I'D VERY MUCH LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE TEXT OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS ARE BECAUSE OCCASIONALLY THE LANGUAGE DOESN'T SAY WHAT PEOPLE SEEM TO THINK IT SAYS. SO I THINK THAT IT REQUIRES A GOOD BIT OF THAT.

BUT PARTICULAR ITEMS THAT OUTDOOR SCREEN STORAGE FROM SEGAL'S IN THE LIGHT COMMERCIAL AND COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL ZONES I THINK IS A BAD IDEA TO CHANGE THAT THERE AND MY OFFICES IS IN LIGHT COMMERCIAL COMMERCIALS DISTRICT I THINK TWO DOORS DOWN FROM ME THERE IS A BICYCLE SHOP THAT HAS OUTDOOR STORAGE THAT'S NOT PERMITTED. SEVERAL OF WHAT'S DOWN THERE IS A BICYCLE SHOP, A NEW ONE. THE WHEELS AT THE CORNER OF EXECUTIVE PARK ROAD AND POPE AVENUE ALL OF THEIR STORAGE IS IS INDOOR SO IT CAN BE DONE IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT.

AND I THINK WHEN YOU WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THE REASON WHY YOU CAN'T HAVE OUTDOOR STORES IS BECAUSE IT KEEPS THE BUSINESS SMALLER. IT FITS THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF THE ZONING DISTRICT. WHEN YOU ALLOW OUTDOOR STORAGE, A BICYCLE, EVEN IF IT'S SCREENED YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A MUCH BIGGER OPERATION, A MUCH BIGGER FOOTPRINT, A MUCH BIGGER IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I CAN'T ATTEST TO IT EXACTLY BUT I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE REASONING WHY OUTDOOR STORAGE IS NOT PERMITTED IN THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS. THE OTHER THING I'D CAUTION YOU ABOUT IS THE DEFINITION OF A DWELLING UNIT. DOUG, I WOULD URGE YOU NOT TO SET UP A SCENARIO WHERE YOU HAVE ONE DEFINITION OF A DWELLING UNIT UNDER THE BUILDING CODE AND A DIFFERENT DEFINITION OF A DWELLING UNIT UNDER THE LAND MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE.

BUT I AM VERY CURIOUS TO SEE THE EXACT LANGUAGE AS PROPOSED THESE AMOUNTS.

THANK YOU. THANK. APPRECIATE IT.

AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS WITH REGARDS TO THIS MATTER? YES, NANCY, PLEASE.

AGAIN, PATSY BRYSON IS CHAIR OF THE BOARD ZONING APPEALS. I JUST QUICKLY POINT OUT AGAIN OUR CONCERN IS THAT THE REQUEST IS MADE TWO AND HALF YEARS AGO ABOUT OUTDOOR STORAGE.

WE'RE NOT TAKING A POSITION ON MERITS. I CAN'T TAKE A POSITION ON THE MERITS BUT JUST TO URGE THE PROCESS ON THE IF YOU WILL, THE STAFF LEVEL MOVING THINGS FOR DEL AMO COMMITTEE MEETING. I'VE JUST LOOKED AT THE CALENDAR FOR AUGUST A CIA PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ON AUGUST 17TH. I HOPE THAT THE STAFF WILL SCHEDULE SOMETHING ON THAT AGENDA TO CONSIDER THESE AMENDMENTS, ESPECIALLY THE ONES WE REQUESTED TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO. AND WE ALSO SENT A LETTER IN JUNE OF 2020 ASKING FOR STUDY ABOUT THE WAIVER SITUATION. SO ON BEHALF OF THE BCA WE'VE MADE THESE REQUESTS FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS AND WE APPRECIATE YOU MOVING THEM FORWARD TODAY. AND I SPEAK NOT FOR MY SELF BUT DR. ANNA PONTA AS OUR VISE CHAIR DAVID FINGERHUT WHOSE PREVIOUS CHAIR IS BACK ON THE BCA.

PETER CHRISTIAN BACK ON THE BCA. BOB SHOTS AND CHARLIE WALL ZACH AND OUR NEW MEMBER KAY BAYLESS. SO IT'S NOT JUST PATSY SPEAKING TODAY.

IT'S ON BEHALF OF OUR FULL BOARD. THANK YOU.

THAT'S A PIECE OF THAT MR. BABEL, WITH DUE RESPECT TO MY ESTEEMED COLLEAGUE CHET.

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>> I MUST DISAGREE. WE HAVE 34 PLACES THAT RENT BIKES ON THIS ISLAND.

IT'S AN EXTREMELY COMPETITIVE BUSINESS. IT HAS IS I THINK THE LAND MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE REGARDING BIKES WAS WRITTEN IN 2014 WHEN WE HAD IT WAS A NICE LITTLE COTTAGE INDUSTRY WHILE BIKING HAS JUST EXPLODED THIS ISLAND AS YOU WELL KNOW.

AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT WE MAINTAIN A VERY COMPETITIVE BIKING INFRASTRUCTURE OF SALES AND SERVICE ORGANIZATION IS PART OF WHO WE ARE AND WHAT THIS ALAMO WITH SOME OF THESE PLACES IT PUTS THEM OUT OF BUSINESS WITH THESE REQUIREMENTS AND BY DOING SO WHAT WE DO IS WE REMOVE SOME OF THE COMPETITIVE FACTOR THAT'S KEEPING PRICES LOW FRANKLY BECAUSE IT IS SO COMPETITIVE AND GETTING BIKES DELIVERED TO PEOPLE WHO CAN GET THEM A VERY GOOD PRICE. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS IT'S SO POPULAR HERE AND SO MANY PEOPLE USE IT BECAUSE IT IS SO COMPETITIVE. IT'S AN INCREDIBLE BUSINESS MODEL AND IT REALLY WORKS AND STAFF HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH COMING UP WITH SOME SCREENING THAT I THINK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AT THE AT THE AT THE PET AT PATSY'S SAYING.

I MEAN THIS IS TOOK TWO HOURS OF DISCUSSION AND IT WAS SIX TO ZERO THAT WE SHOULD GO FORWARD WITH THIS. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU DISREGARD WHICH IT HAS SAID

FRANKLY AND LET'S MOVE FORWARD AND GET THIS THING MOVING. >> WE WHEN WE WENT KICKING THIS THING WE'VE BEEN KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. LET'S JUST MOVE FORWARD AND GET IT DONE AND LET'S KEEP THIS THING GOING THE WAY IT SHOULD BE AND IT MIGHT BE JUST FINE.

THANK YOU, FRANK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS?

>> ALL RIGHT, CHRISTOPHER. PLEASE CALL A CALL THERE ALSO MR. BROWN.

I'M PROCESSING DISTRACTED BY MR. STANFORD. >> I SUPPORT THE MOTION.

MRS. BECKER, MR. STANFORD APPROVED THE MOTION AND MR.. >> YES, FOR THE MOTION.

MOTION CARRIES, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THERE ARE NO OTHER ITEMS ON THE AGENDA FOR NEW BUSINESS. THERE IS NO OLD BUSINESS AT THIS TIME.

WE WILL ADJOURN AND WE ARE CINDERELLA

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.