Jul 27, 2022 Town of Bluffton Planning Commission

[I. CALL TO ORDER]

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SEVEN SQUARE HAVE A ROLL CALL WITH FISHER NEAR THE DENVER HERE THIS YEAR.

CHARLIE WHAT MORE COMMISSIONER THIS YEAR? JASON STEWART HERE COMMISSIONER KATHLEEN DUNCAN HERE THIS YEAR REACHED OUT FOR COMMISSIONER JIM FLYNN.

[III. ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA]

SHE SAID SHE DID NOT KNOW UNTIL SHE SAW THIS ITEM ADDRESSED IN THE PAPER THAT THE MEETING WAS TONIGHT AND SHE WOULD REALLY LOVE TO COME AND SHARE COMMENTS AT THAT THE BOARD HAS REGARDING THIS ITEM. SO I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE AMEND THE AGENDA TO TAKE ITEM TWO TO THE END AND THEN WHEN SHE SHOWS UP WE CAN BRING IT UP AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

DOES THAT MEAN WE HAVE TO? SO AT THE VERY END OR DO WE AMEND THAT WHEN WE HAVE 10 MEN I WOULD SAY WE AMENDED TO SIX AND THEN WE HAVE TO RE AMEND IT TO BRING IT UP WHEN SHE SHOWS

CORRECT. >> CAN YOU DO THAT? >> SO YOU NEED TO ADOPT AN ADJUSTMENT HAS TO BE ESTABLISHED BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO IS JUST AN ITEM SEVEN SEVEN TWO AND MOVE IT TO THE END OF NEW BUSINESS QUESTION ONCE WE ADOPT THAT AGENDA THAT'S THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS THEN IT'S AN AMENDMENT TO THE AGENDA BECAUSE HERE'S WHY I'M ASKING BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO AMEND THE AGENDA. I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE AMENDED AND SO I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T CARE IF IT'S ONE IN THE SAME PROCESS. I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT TO ADOPT IF IT'S TWO DIFFERENT PROCESSES IT'S FINE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION.

I JUST DON'T WANT TO ADOPT IT AS AMENDED AGENDA AND LEAVES THE POSSIBILITY TO HAVE A DISCUSSION PARTICULARLY THE THE WAY THAT AS YOU OFF THE AGENDA AND THEN YOU MOVE TO AMEND THE AGENDA BUT IT WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND OR INTERESTS THAT THAT WAS TYPICALLY WHAT YOU WOULD DO IS ADOPT THE AGENDA AND THEN YOU'RE AMENDING THE AGENDA THE ADOPTED AGENDA.

>> BUT YOU KNOW FROM THE ROGERS PERSPECTIVE YOU CAN IF YOU WANT TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION NOW AND THAT WAY YOU CAN ADOPT THE AGENDA AS THE AS IT IS PROPOSED TO BE IT I THINK YOU CAN GET THERE THROUGH PROCEDURES A COMMISSIONER WHERE THE WORK IS LAID OUT BUT YOU HAVE TYPICALLY WHAT YOU WOULD WANT TO SEE IS THE AGENDA ADOPTED THE MOTION TO AMEND.

IT'S A LITTLE IT'S A LITTLE BIT I'M ON VERY WHAT YOU WOULD SEE WITH THE YOU KNOW, YOUR TYPICAL NOSE TO A MAN THAT'S A LITTLE BACKWARDS FROM THAT. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

I MEAN WE ADOPT THE AGENDA AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS IT AFTER ANY DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR.

HI AND I'M HERE I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO A GENTLEMAN AMEND THE AGENDA.

I CAN GET THE FURTHER PREVIOUSLY STATED REASONS TO MOVE ITEM TWO TO THE END OF THE AGENDA ITEM SEVEN POINT TWO TO THE END OF SECTION SEVEN. DO WE HAVE A SECOND SECOND SIR ? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YES, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST RIBAUT BUT THE COMMISSION NO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION SAY THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE MADE PLANS ACCORDING TO THIS AGENDA AND IT'S NOT JUST ONE PERSON BUT IT'S MULTIPLE PEOPLE THAT ARE AFFECTED BY THE CHANGE. THIS THIS IS A VERY LONG AGENDA .

SO THE OTHER PART OF THIS IS THAT THIS IS AN ITEM THAT STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH FINAL DRC.

THIS IS AN ITEM THAT STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH HIGHWAY CORRIDOR AND WE HAVE RECEIVED THE WRITTEN COMMENTS. SO WE DO KNOW HER THE COMMENTS OF THE WOMAN THAT IS INTENDING TO SPEAK AND SHE WILL STILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WHEN SHE DOES ARRIVE AND THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT IF FOR SOME REASON WHATEVER RECOMMENDATION WE WOULD CHANGE OUR RECOMMENDATION WE COULD STILL CHOOSE TO REVISIT THIS ITEM LATER IF WE WOULD LIKE THE DESIRE NOT TO HAVE ANY FEELING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ALL IN FAVOR.

>> ALL OPPOSED. OPPOSED SO THAT WE'RE MOVING IT TO THE END.

THAT'S THREE TO TWO ONCE ALL THAT THIS REQUIRES A TWO WILL REMEMBER THE AGENDA UNDER

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SO MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT IT IS A TWO VOTE BUT I WILL GO AHEAD.

I MEAN WHAT IF I'M WRONG? YOU DON'T DIRTY SO IT DOES REQUIRE TWO THIRDS SO THAT

[IV. ADOPTION OF MINUTES]

YOU'RE WELCOME TO HOLD YOUR COMMENTS UNTIL THE THEN OR VOICE YOUR COMMENT AT THIS TIME . DO WE HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS AND DO WE HAVE ANY OF THOSE PUBLIC

COMMENTS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA ITEMS ON THE AGENDA? >> OKAY.

[VII.1. 1 Thurmond Way (Certificate of Appropriateness- HCO)]

OKAY. THANK YOU. LIBYA IS RECUSING EFFECT.

>> GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS TONIGHT AND WE HAVE BEFORE AN APPLICATION JOE REPLIES HERE ON BEHALF OF PDG ARCHITECTS WHO IS HERE ON BEHALF OF THE OWNERS SIDE COMMUNICATIONS INC.

TO REVIEW A CERTIFICATE OF HAPPINESS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW TWO STOREY OFFICE BUILDING OF APPROXIMATELY 35 HUNDRED SQUARE FEET.

IT IS LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY THAT'S IDENTIFIED AS ONE DIAMOND WAY WHICH IS IN THE BLUFFTON VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT IN THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON. HIGHWAY CORNER OVERLAY DISTRICT AND THAT IS IN THE BLUFFTON VILLAGE PD SO WE'VE GOT SEVERAL LAYERS THERE.

THE PROJECT LOCATION NEAR THE THE ONLY ONE TO TAKE ACROSS THE BAY HERE.

IT'S ON THE CORNER THURMOND WAY AND MAY RIVER OR BLUFFTON ROAD .

I'VE GOT IT CIRCLED IN RED ON YOUR SCREENS IN FRONT OF YOU AS WELL AS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT IT IS OUTLINED ON YOUR ON YOUR MAP THERE AS WELL THE SITE PLAN. THIS THIS DEVELOPMENT WAS ESTABLISHED MANY YEARS AGO AS ESSENTIALLY BUILDING PATHS WITHIN A PLAN TO DEVELOPMENT.

ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT SORT OF SIMILAR TO THIS WOULD BE THE PROMENADE WHERE THEY HAVE A BUILDING PAD AND THE MOST OF THE SPACE IS COMMON OPEN SPACE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE BUILDING PAD THAT THE STRUCTURE IS BEING PLACED ON. SO IN THIS CASE YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY LINE TOUCHES THE CORNER OF THE TOP AND LEFT PORTION OF THAT THE SERVICE YARD TOUCHES THE PROPERTY LINE CORNER ON THE TOP RIGHT. AND THEN IT COMES DOWN TO THE EDGE OF WHAT WOULD BE THE SIDEWALK ON THE BOTTOM THERE. SO IT'S ACTUALLY ABOVE THAT DASHED ARROW LINE ON THE SCREEN. SO THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE PROPERTY LINE BECAUSE AROUND IT. SO WHAT WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO REVIEW WITH THIS APPLICATION IS LANDSCAPING LIGHTING AN ARCHITECTURE FOR THE BUILDING PAD ONLY. AND WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS THE FLIGHT PLAN.

AND THEN I HAVE LABELED THEN THEY ARE LABELED FRONT BACK REAR LEFT RIGHT ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PLANS. BUT I HAVE LABELED THEM WITH THE STREETS IN WHICH THEY WILL FACE. SO THIS IS DETERMINED WAY WHICH IS THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING. IT HAS A TOWER ELEMENT ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN THERE AS WELL. THE SERVICE YARD YOU'RE SEEING IS THE HORIZONTAL LINES THAT ARE LOCATED ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN FROM THE DRIVE AISLE WHICH IS IF YOU'VE TURNED LEFT OFF IF THURMOND WAY LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO THE BANK YOU WILL SEE THIS THIS ELEVATION

HERE. >> I'M SORRY. THIS IS THE PARKING AREA, THE MAIN RIVER ROAD ELEVATION IS THIS LINE AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS THAT PARKING AREA.

SO THAT'S THE DRIVE AISLE THAT GOES TOWARDS THE BANK. SO AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT YOU'D SEE IF YOU TURN LEFT MAY RIVER ROAD. THIS IS WHAT YOU'D BE SEEING THROUGH THE BUFFER THAT IS PART OF THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT ,NOT THE BUILDING PAD ITSELF.

THE PARKING AREA AS IF YOU WERE COMING OUT OF THE A.T.M.. THIS WOULD BE THE A.T.M. VIEW

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THOSE MATERIALS ARE ON THE SCREEN IN FRONT OF YOU. HOWEVER THEY HAVE BEEN FOUND TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE B ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE ITEM WHICH IS THE METAL WALL MATERIAL THAT IS IS SHOWN IN ONE OF THE STAFF CONDITIONS.

AND I DISCUSSED THAT AS A WAR MATERIAL. THE OTHER ONES.

THE COLORS ARE JUST FINE. AND THE MATERIALS THEMSELVES ARE ACCEPTABLE.

THERE'S A SERVICE DETAIL AS WELL AS A LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT IS SHOWING THE FOUNDATION PLANTINGS. THESE ARE TECHNICALLY ON MOST OF THEM ARE ON THE PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION. SO THE ONES ON THE BOTTOM SIDE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT HERE ARE ACTUALLY ON THE PROPERTY WITH THESE BEING PROPOSED IN THE COMMON OPEN SPACE SO THAT THE LETTER OF APPROVAL FROM THE PROPERTY ASSOCIATION IS WHAT ALLOWS THOSE TO BE INSTALLED THERE BUT THEY ARE STILL OPEN SPACE. THEY'RE NOT CONFINING THAT AREA AND RESTRICTING ITS USE. IT'S JUST ADDING PLANTINGS TO IT.

>> THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE ZOOMED IN OF IT SO THAT YOU CAN SEE ACTUALLY WHAT WAS HAPPENING ON THE SCREEN AND THEN THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE BUILDING LIGHTS AGAIN BECAUSE THIS IS JUST A BUILDING PAD. THE ONLY THINGS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED AS PART OF THIS IS THE LIGHTING THAT IS NEXT TO DOORS AND ON THE BUILDING WALLS ITSELF.

THE STREET LIGHTS ARE PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLANNED AREA THAT IS NOT PART OF THE REVIEW OF THIS APPLICATION WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEWS APPLICATIONS FOR HIGHWAY CORRIDOR. THEY ARE LOOKING AT THE REVIEW CRITERIA FOUND IN SECTION 3 17 THREE OF OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE WHICH SPECIFY THAT YOU NEED TO MEET THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS IN CHAPTER 5 IF THERE ARE APPLICABLE WHICH IN THIS CASE AS IT'S LOCATED IN APD IT IS NOT. SO THE APPLICATION ALSO MUST BE IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WHICH IS THE BLUFFTON VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. THE BEAUTY CONCEPT PLAN BEAUTY MASTER PLAN, SUBDIVISION PLAN OR ANY OTHER AGREEMENTS THOSE HAVE BEEN OUTLINED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT IT MUCH DETAIL.

HOWEVER, THERE ARE JUST A FEW ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED ON THOSE AND THEN THE APPLICATION HAS BEEN FOUND TO BE COMPLETE. SO IT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE THIRD ONE THERE. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, APPROVED THE APPLICATION OF CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT. JORDAN WAS HERE WITH US TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICATION BUT TOWN STAFF HAS FOUND THAT WITH THE FOLLOWING ITEMS BEING ADDRESSED IT COULD MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOUND IN SECTION 3 17 3 AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OR APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS BASED ON THE PLANS THAT WERE BROUGHT. NIGHT THE ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED AT A LITTLE MORE CLOSELY. THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON ZONING ORDINANCE STANDARDS WHICH IS WHAT IS REFERENCED IN THE BLUFFTON VILLAGE DOCUMENTS NOTES THAT THEY USE A CORRUGATED METAL SIDING IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS SPECIFICALLY PERMITTED. IT DOES ALLOW FOR THE USE OF OTHER MATERIALS TO BE PAINTED AND SIMILAR TO WOOD. THIS WOULD NOT LOOK LIKE WOOD. HOWEVER IT IS A DESIGN CHOICE.

THEY ARE REQUESTING YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE LIGHTING SECTION. THE LIGHTING ILLUMINATION REQUIREMENTS. HOWEVER IT DOES TECHNICALLY SPECIFY THAT THESE LIGHTS ARE ONE OF THE PERMITTED TYPES. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE SEEN BEFORE.

IT IS JUST THAT THE STANDARDS DIDN'T ACCOUNT FOR LCD AT THE TIME THAT THIS WAS WRITTEN.

AND SO THESE APPLICATIONS ARE COMING IN NOW NEED TO ADDRESS THAT.

THE OTHER ITEMS ARE FROM THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN GUIDELINES, THE BLUFFTON VILLAGE MASTER PLAN DOCUMENTS SPECIFY A DATUM LINE IS REQUIRED AT TEN TO TWELVE FEET ON ALL STRUCTURES. I HAVE PROPOSED ONE IT'S JUST LOCATED 15 TO 16 FEET ABOVE THE ADJACENT SIDEWALK RATHER THAN THAT REQUIRE TEN TO 12. SO IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER AND I COULD SHOW IT TO YOU ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION HERE. SO IT IS THIS LINE.

HERE IT IS THREE BE TALLER THAN WHAT THE BLUFFTON VILLAGE REQUIREMENTS ALLOW FOR AND THAT'S TO ALLOW FOR THE ROOF LINES HERE TO BE ABLE TO NOT BE A CONTINUATION OF THAT DATUM LINE WITH THE HEAD HEIGHT OF THE DOOR. THEY HAVE PROPOSED IT AT A BIT HIGHER ELEVATION THERE. THE NEXT ONE IS BEAL HOUSE FOR STUCCO TO BE APPLIED OVER A WOOD FRAMED BUILDING. THE BLUFFTON VILLAGE MASTER PLAN DESIGN GUIDELINES DO ALLOW

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AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS THAT IT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR HORIZONTALLY ORIENTED WINDOWS AND ON THIS LAND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF WINDOWS THAT DO TECHNICALLY HAVE A HORIZONTAL ORIENTATION AND IT IS ON THE FRONT ELEVATION HERE. THESE WINDOWS HERE ARE HORIZONTAL BECAUSE THEY ARE JUST A BIT MORE WIDE THAN THEY ARE TALL.

SO THOSE ARE THE ITEMS THAT I FOUND THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.

AND AGAIN MR PYNE IS HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF IT. I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME AND SPEAK TO YOUR PROJECT PLEASE? YES. THANK YOU. JOE DE PAUL WITH P.G.

ARCHITECTS. ARCHITECTS FOR THE PROJECT. OKATIE SAID THIS PROJECT WAS REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION BACK IN 2019.

WE ADDRESSED THE CONDITIONS THE APPROVAL GOT THOSE APPROVED THROUGH THE BBC AT THAT TIME AND GOT THE FORMAL APPROVAL NOTICE FROM THE TOWN IN FEBRUARY 2019.

THE CLIENT PUT THE PROJECT ON HOLD FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND SO WE'RE ASKING APPROVAL FOR THE PLANS THIS TIME. THE DESIGN IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS WHAT WAS APPROVED THEN. WE HAVE UPDATED THE SITE PLAN AND SURVEY DATA MEASURING NEW GRADES AFTER THE NEW DATA. I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK OVER THE ELEVATIONS OKATIE HAD THESE

LABELS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY SWITCHED. >> THIS IS THIS IS A FRONT ELEVATION. IT IS FACING THE POST OFFICE WHILE YOU WALK IN.

THIS IS THE RIVER ROAD ELEVATION THAT SCREENED BY THE TREES AND ALL THE GREEN ONLY GREENERY ALONG THE HIGHWAY. THIS IS COMING AND ON THURMOND AND THAT IS BACK ON THE PARKING LOT. AND I'M AVAILABLE TO ASK AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MAY. YEAH. THE COLORS ARE THEY THE SAME AS

THEY WERE? >> YES. YEAH EVERYTHING'S EVERYTHING'S THE SAME. YEP. ANYTHING BEFORE THE TABBY THAT YOU SHOW ON THAT BOARD LOOKS VERY SIMILAR TO THAT STUCCO I'M ASSUMING IT'S BECAUSE IT'S A

PICTURE OF THE TABBY. >> THAT'S NOT AN ACCURATE REPRESENTATION.

I'M ASSUMING IT'S A LOT MORE TEXTURED BUT THAT'S MY QUESTION IS IS THERE.

IS IT MORE DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT OR IS IT AS CLOSELY RESEMBLING WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY SHOWING?

>> I THINK WHAT YOU'RE PICKING UP THERE IS THAT THE SHELLS IN THE PICTURE ARE SMALL AND THE STUCCO SAMPLES. AND IT'S SHOWING THE FINE. SO THERE'LL BE A GOOD CONTRAST BETWEEN THOSE TWO AND IT'S MORE OF A GRADE 10 VERSUS THE WHITES COUPLE WEIRD QUESTIONS.

>> COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FIRST ONE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE WEIRD. I SEE IN THE END THE RENDERING

AN ANTENNA STICKING UP ABOVE THAT BUILDING. >> IS THAT REALLY GONNA BE

THERE? >> HOW WOULD YOU HAVE AN ANTENNA ON THAT?

>> YEAH. IS THERE ANY SPECIAL KIND OF LOOKING AT YOU KATIE? IS THERE ANY SPECIAL KIND OF REQUIREMENT GUIDELINE EITHER IN THE PD DOCUMENTS OR IN THE TOWN DOCUMENTS YOU CAN'T EXTEND TO PAST FEET WHICH IT DOES NOT AND THAT HAS BEEN DESIGNED CRITERIA THEIR MEASUREMENT ON IT SO THAT WE CAN HAVE IT FOR THE RECORD I KNOW THAT THAT IS ACCURATE BECAUSE WE SCALE IN AND I HAVE BEEN IN THERE THROUGH EVERY STEP OF THE APPROVALS PROCESS AND OH I'M RIBAUT NOT SAYING IT HAS ANYTHING BUT POSSIBLY ABOUT THE WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S ACTUALLY A POSSIBILITY OF DENYING SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> IT'S AT 44 FEET FROM A GRADE TO TOP OF IT. >> IS THAT SOMETHING WE NEED TO HAVE DOCUMENTED JUST SO THAT IT IS NOT JUST DOCUMENTED ON THE ELEVATION? I WAS OUT WITH THAT. OKAY. I THINK IT'S IT'S RIGHT HERE.

I'VE ZOOMED IN ON IT NOW. AND IS THAT IS THAT AN ACTUAL FUNCTIONING ANTENNA JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, IS IT JUST BECAUSE IT'S A RADIO STATION AND YOU WANNA KNOW IT IS THERE FUNCTIONAL ELEMENTS AND THAT'S THE PRODUCTS THEY GAVE US TO SCALING AND SO IN THIS IS LESS

FOR YOU BUT MORE FOR STAFF. >> SO PRETTY MUCH ANY BUILDING THAT GOES IN COMMERCIALLY COULD HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE IF THEY WANT TO PUT TEN ANTENNAS ON THAT BUILDING AS LONG AS THEY WERE LESS THAN FORTY FEET THEY COULD DO IT IN THE IRISH QUARTER OR THE THERE'S NOT SPECIFIC LANGUAGE THAT PREVENTS THAT.

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>> THERE ARE SOME ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS THAT WE COULD PROBABLY APPLY TO IT IF THEY DID PROPOSE TEN WELL I USUALLY GO IT IT'S NOT YOUR PROJECT MR DE PAUL.

>> IT'S IT'S THINKING ABOUT OK ,FIVE YEARS FROM NOW WE GET A COMMERCIAL PROJECT SOMEWHERE ELSE BUT ANTENNA CITY AND THEY WANT TO PUT ANTENNAS OUTSIDE. IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE NEED

TO LOOK INTO THAT IS SOMETHING POTENTIALLY I COULD DO. >> I KNOW IN THAT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THERE ARE SOME STANDARDS THAT SAY WHICH ELEVATION IT CAN BE FACING IS THAT IT MUST BE SCREENED APPROPRIATELY IN THE CORRIDOR WE HAVE THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENT OR THE HEIGHT MAXIMUM FOR UNINHABITED FURNACES ANY KIND. OUR PROJECTIONS BUT NOT SPECIFIC. DOES THIS PROJECT HAVE A OR B APPROVAL?

YEAH, IT DOES. >> WE HAVE THE APPROVAL LETTER IS FROM TWO POINT NINETEEN NEEDS TO BE WE ARE IN PROGRESS. SO GETTING AN UPDATE, A LETTER TO THE GENTLEMAN WHO REVIEWS THE PLANS LOOK THAT WHAT WE SUBMITTED HERE AND SAID YES, THIS MATCHES WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE WE SHOULD APPROVE IT. THE GENTLEMAN WHO HAS THE MANAGEMENT WRITES A LETTER IS OUR TOWN. SO WE WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE BY THAT LETTER NEXT WEEK.

>> I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. I KNOW YOU NEED IT BY FINAL AS A AND I DIDN'T THINK TO ASK THIS WHEN I MET WITH STAFF EARLIER THIS WEEK, HASN'T IT? OH, THIS IS FOR YOU EITHER

OF YOU ALREADY FOR A CERTIFICATE OF . >> THANK YOU AND THERE WAS NOTHING THERE THEN WE SHOULD MAKE THAT A CONDITION PROBABLY A FINAL EVERYONE.

>> YEAH. >> THERE IS NOTHING TO INDICATE THAT PRIOR APPROVAL EXPIRES EITHER IN THE C C AND RS OR THE LETTER ITSELF. OH WE'LL GET ANOTHER POINTER.

GOOD POINT. AS A SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS WOULD EVEN BE NOT ALLOWED IS A THING STUCCO OVER WOOD VERSUS STUCCO OVER CONCRETE WHY WOULD THAT EVEN BE A THING SO THE STRUGGLE OVER WEIGHT COULD BE APPLIED AS PAPER THIN AS YOU SEE IT TECHNICALLY ON THE THE MATERIALS FOR IT THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU BECAUSE IT IS JUST AN APPLIANCE OR MAYBE NOT QUITE AS THIN AS THAT PIECE OF PAPER.

>> HOWEVER IT STILL WOULD HAVE A VERY APPLIED APPEARANCE IF IT WERE DONE IN A WAY LIKE THAT.

>> IT ALSO CAN BE BUILT OUT AROUND WINDOWS, DOORS, THINGS LIKE THAT ORDER TO STILL HAVE THE SHADOW LIGHTS OF THE GRAMMAR AND I'M SORRY CONCRETE OR SEE YOU CONSTRUCTION WITH AND CREATE SHADOW LINES THAT MAKE IT APPEAR AS THOUGH IT IS STILL DENSE AND IT WOULD SAVE THE COSTS AND SOME OF THE OTHER FIREPROOF THINGS LIKE THAT THAT THEY MAY NEED TO BE ABLE TO MEET IF THEY WERE TO USE A WOOD CONSTRUCTION VERSUS THE CMU. BUT THOUGH THE WINDOW DETAILS THAT WE'VE SEEN SHOWS THAT THEY ARE BUILDING THOSE OUT TO HAVE THE SHADOW LINES THAT WOULD MAKE IT APPEAR AS THOUGH IT'S STILL OVER THE CONCRETE WE'RE SEEING YOU RATHER THAN JUST A STUCK ON THE SURFACE BASICALLY INSTEAD TILE VS. REAL TILE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A GROUT AND A REGULAR TILE AND THE PEELING STICK DOESN'T GET THAT OUT.

>> SO BASICALLY QUALITY OF APPEARANCE COULD BE A LOT LESS IN SOME CASES THAT MAY BE THIS BASED ON THE OTHER DETAILS IN THE BUILDING PLANS THAT WERE PROVIDED IT DOES NOT HERE THAT THAT'S THE CASE HERE. THERE ARE OTHER BUILDINGS IN THAT DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE BUILT WITH SAME POINT WITH THEM AND THEY CAME OUT FIVE NO I DID NOT REVIEW THOSE BUT I LOOKED AT THESE AND I THINK THAT THESE WOULD MEET THE INTENT WE HAVE WE HAVE DETAIL THE WINDOW A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY ON OUR BUILDING SETTING THE WINDOW BACK TWO INCHES FROM THE FACE OF THE WOOD WALL FRAMING SO THAT WE GET THAT EXTRA DEPTH THAT IS NOT PRESENT ON THOSE

OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE VILLAGE. >> AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HEARD WAS THE DATUM LINE IS THAT KIND OF LOOKS WEIRD COMPARED TO THE OTHER BUILDINGS AROUND IT IF THEY'RE IN THAT TEN TO TWELVE FOOT OR IS IT I DON'T PERSONALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT BECAUSE THE CANOPY OVER THE THE WINDOWS LIKE THEY KIND OF PROVIDE THAT WHILE ANOTHER PEDESTRIAN AND THEN THE SCORE LINES OF THE CMU SO TO ME I THINK THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THIS PARTICULAR

DESIGN. >> I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT ON THIS I'M SORRY I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT ON THIS BUILDING. YES. BUT IT WAS RELATION TO OTHER

BUILDINGS WAS THE ONLY QUESTION I WAS WONDERING. >> BUT THIS IS PRETTY MUCH AN ISOLATED LOT TOO, ISN'T IT? SPRING FROM THE BANK? YES, IT'S IN FRONT OF THE BANK AND SO IT'S BECAUSE THE DATA MINE DOESN'T ISN'T ALL 12 FEET OR ALL SOME OF THEM MAY BE DOWN ANYWAY SO THERE'S NO CONSISTENCY. IT'S A NEW CONCEPT TO ME.

I JUST IN THIS WAY I'M ASKING IS IT SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT PRESCRIPTIVE IN HERE.

WE THINK WE'VE CHOSEN TO RAISE IT SO THAT WE CAN CREATE SOME HIERARCHY BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOORS AND THE CANOPY IS WHAT BRINGS IT DOWN TO THAT GESTURE IN SCALE.

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THANK YOU, KATIE. >> WOULD THERE BE? I LOOKED IN THE DEVELOPING AGREEMENT AND OFF HAND WHAT I FOUND WAS THAT THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT COULD BE 28 FEET. THAT'S POSSIBLY I'M LOOKING AT THE WRONG THING IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TOO. PERHAPS YOU CAN ELIMINATE THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT AND WHERE THAT CAN BE FOUND I CAN SAY THAT I REVIEWED THE BUILDING FIGHT AGAINST THE ORDINANCE WHEN I WAS REVIEWING IT BUT I HAD OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD COME UP WITH A STAGE NO,

I'M SORRY. >> I'M SORRY AND IF I HADN'T HAD MY NOTES YESTERDAY I

WOULDN'T BE A QUESTION. >> DO YOU THINK IT'S 20? THAT'S WHAT I.

WELL, THAT'S THE NOTE I HAVE LEFT MYSELF AND I MEAN NO REFERENCE TO MYSELF AS TO WHERE THAT WAS. OTHER THAN THAT IT'S IN THE HERE.

I THINK I PUT IT IN THIS IS IT SAID IT WAS IN THE CCR SO LIKE I'VE DONE A BUILDING AND THEIR

PERFORMANCE. >> OKAY. >> BECAUSE I CAN SEE IT'S TO NINE AND THAT WAS THIS IS PROUD OF THAT AND MAYBE WE'VE DONE OTHER BUILDINGS THAT ARE 30 TO NINE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT AND IT'S NOT OUT OF SCALE OR CHARACTER.

I JUST I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION AND THAT'S AND I'M NOT SITTING HERE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN FRONT OF ME EITHER OFF THE TOP MY HEAD EVERYTHING IN THERE IS GOING TO BE TALLER THAN 20 FEET. YEAH I WAS GONNA SAY I'M ONE OF THOSE THINGS TALLER THAN 20 THEY'RE NOT THEY DON'T HAVE THE SAME PROPORTION IN MASS AS THESE SO I THINK SOME OF THOSE MIGHT BE PERCEIVED AS TALLER THAN THIS ONE.

>> THIS ONE'S KIND BROKEN DOWN IN MASSING AND THE OTHER COMMENT THAT I HAD WAS ONE OF THOSE TWO THINGS ONE I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT ELEVATION FROM FORTY SIX THAT ONE WHERE THAT BUILDING DROPS DOWN AND IT'S FLAT LEVEL IT'S NOT THE FENCING I'M WORRIED ABOUT SOFTENING.

>> WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE SOFTEN IS THE END OF THAT BUILDING WHERE THE WINDOWS STOP BECAUSE IT'S JUST BASICALLY A BLANK WALL OF THE GUTTER. I KNOW THERE'S WAX MYRTLE IS GOING ALONG THERE BUT SOMETHING EVERGREEN UNDERSTORY TREE THERE AT THE END KIND OF SOFTEN THAT SIDE WOULD BE IDEAL THE LANDSCAPE AND THEN THE OTHER THING I SAW IN THE LANDSCAPE PLANT AND I'M SO I'M TRYING AND FAR AWAY BECAUSE I'VE GOT MY PLANS IN FRONT OF ME IS THERE'S A ALONG THURMOND THERE'S A LOOK AT THE STORM SEWER WHERE THE CONCRETE COMES IN AND THIS SIDEWALK IS RIGHT UP NEXT TO IT AND THERE'S LIKE SIX INCHES MAYBE BETWEEN IT WOULD BE JUST

NICE TO CONNECT THOSE. >> I KNOW THERE'S NOT A REQUIREMENT IT WOULD JUST BE SOMETHING I IT'S LIKE THIS WEIRD THING THAT HAPPENED ON A LOT OF SIDEWALKS THAT I JUST

WISH THAT EVERYBODY WOULD JUST FINISH IT. >> IT'S JUST A REQUEST.

IT'S NOT A CONDITION. SUSAN, THAT I'M OPERATING WITH THAT I ASSUME THAT WORKING WITH THE SIDE OF OPERATING WITHOUT THERE IS YES THERE IS AN ASSUMPTION THAT I AM MAKING

THAT IT WORKS WITH THE SIDEWALK RATING. >> I THOUGHT IT IT IS IN THE DESIGN THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN GUIDELINES FORTH AND MUCH TO THE VILLAGE MASTER A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND IT IS A STREET FRONT BUILDING WHICH IS A LOT MAXIMUM OF 35 FEET

WHICH IT IS UNDER. >> THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT WE HAVE ANY SAY ON WHAT

KIND OF MUSIC PUT. I'LL HAVE TO CALL A NUMBER. >> THEY WILL NOT HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME I CAN DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THIS PROJECT NOW? OKAY WELL THEN IF THERE'S ANY OTHER WELL YOU HAVE A YOU FILLED OUT A CARD NUMBER.

I DIDN'T DO THAT. THEY DID KNOWING THAT IF THERE WERE I THINK WE CAN MAKE CERTAIN TO GO AFTER OKAY SO YOU CAN COME ON UP AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO AARON ORTON TWELVE DAYS AND CIRCLE WHICH IS WITHIN WALKING

DISTANCE OF THIS BUILDING. >> JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S ENOUGH ON 46 ENOUGH LANDSCAPING SO WE DON'T SEE IT. EVERYONE WANTS TO KNOCK DOWN TREES AND BUT WE HAVE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS. WE HAVE TO PLANT THIS HAND PLANT THAT YOU KNOW HOW LONG IT TAKES TO GROW TREES. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S ENOUGH LANDSCAPING WHERE WE DON'T SEE A LOT OF IT. GRANTED THEY COULD SEE OUT THE WINDOWS.

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LANDSCAPING. >> THANK YOU. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION WHEN

YOU ADDRESS THE LANDSCAPING, WHAT IS THE BUFFER THERE? >> THERE'S AN EXISTING.

I'M LOOKING AT IT ON GOOGLE MAPS. I SEE THAT THERE IS FOLIAGE.

BUT WHAT ARE THE WHAT ARE THE BUFFER REQUIREMENT ON THAT NEIGHBORHOOD?

>> SO THAT THERE'S THE EXISTING BUFFER THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THAT SCOPE OF WORK FOR THIS PROJECT.

IT IS THE SO THIS YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HERE FIRST THERE'S THE EXISTING BUFFER LINE WHICH IS RIGHT HERE. SO THIS IS THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR 270 OR I'M SORRY FORTY SIX.

I'VE DONE A FEW ON TO SOVIET LATELY. THIS IS THE EXISTING SIDEWALK.

YOU CAN SEE WEAVE THROUGH HERE AS WELL AS THE HIGHWAY 46 PAVEMENT LINE HERE AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE EXISTING BUFFER AND THEN THIS HERE IS THE PROPERTY LINE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT. SO THEY ARE NOT TAKING DOWN ANY TREES OUTSIDE OF THIS AREA BUT

THEY ARE ADDING SEE THESE ARE CREATE HURDLES HERE. >> THIS IS FIVE ADDITIONAL CREATE HURDLES OF A DIFFERENT SIZE HERE. IT LOOKS LIKE THAT MAY JUST BE THE ON THE PLANTING PLAN. THEY MAY BE ALL THE SAME SIZE BUT THEY ARE CALLED OUT TO SEVERAL PLACES. THEY'VE GOT A MAGNOLIA ON THE CORNER HERE AND THE KRAMER

TILES ON THE END BY THE SIDEWALK. >> THOSE ARE WAX MODELS THAT ARE IN BETWEEN. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU, KATHLEEN.

YOU'RE WELCOME. SO THEY ARE ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS ALONG THE SIDE HERE BUT THEY ARE LEAVING THEM IN THE BUFFER INTACT AS IT'S NOT PART OF THIS THOUGH.

THE AREA OF WORK FOR THIS PROJECT THOUGH THERE ARE TREES BEING REMOVED THERE AND A LOT

OF THEM OFF THERE. >> THERE ARE NO TREES BEING PROPOSED AS PART OF THIS.

AND I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER I WAS OUT THERE POSTING I KNOW THAT THERE IS NO TREES ON THAT SITE. SO IF SOMETHING WERE TO CHANGE ON THAT, IT WOULD BE REVIEWED AS A SEPARATE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT AS IT'S NOT BEEN CONSIDERED AS PART HIS

APPLICATION. >> THANK YOU, KIMBERLY. NO, I HAD ONE QUESTION I FORGOT I HAD THE TRASH SERVICE THAT IS THE TRASH. ARE YOU DOING TRASH BINS IN

THAT SERVICE AREA WITH THE OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE IN THERE? >> COMMON TRASH.

IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS SINCE THAT TRASH. THERE IS A DUMPSTER THAT IS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS SHARED WITH THE BANK. OK, OK.

OK, SO LET'S GET BACK AND KIND OF REGROUP AT THE STAFF COMMENTS SO THAT WE CAN GET EMOTION STARTED. WHAT DID EVERYONE THERE FEEL ON THE COORDINATED METAL SIDING ON

AN APPROVED COLLECTION? >> MY QUESTION. IT LOOKS ON THE WELL ON THE IMAGE ON THE POWERPOINT, THE PDA WE GOT SHOWS IT KIND OF DARK BUT IN REAL LIFE IT LOOKS KIND OF SHINY AND BRIGHTER TO ME AND NOT EVEN AS MATT AS I WOULD HAVE WANTED.

AND THAT'S JUST HOW IT'S FEELING A LITTLE BRIGHT AND A LITTLE LIKE IT'S ATTRACT MORE ATTRACTING MORE ATTENTION THAN I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN FROM MY STANDPOINT.

>> BUT I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT. WE HAVE A FEEL FOR WHAT THE CORRUGATED IS GOING TO LOOK

LIKE. >> I MEAN WE HAVE A FEEL FOR THE COLOR THERE.

DO WE HAVE A FEEL FOR WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN IT'S JUST ON THE TOWER PORTION BASICALLY BUILDING OR ANY OF YOU OUT HERE WHEN WE DID THE WINDOWS AND WELFARE.

>> WELL, THEY HAVE THE CORE GATED BLACK METAL SIDING THAT WE APPROVED FOR ONE AND IT ENDED UP LOOKING NICE NICER THAN I THOUGHT OUR UNIT BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND THE COLOR ISSUE SO I JUST WANT TO PUT THE WINDOWS PICTURE YOUR MIND WITH THAT BLACK IS THAT'S STRUCK ME JUST TRYING GIVE AN EXAMPLE REAL WORLD. YEAH.

>> NO I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF WE KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD BE LOOKS NICE THERE AND THAT COULD GET A METAL WAS ON THAT 2019 OR

B APPROVED PLAN. >> IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

YES. AND THIS HAS GONE A DARKER COLOR PALETTE DARKER AND THAT SHE DOES WEAR OFF AND WE'RE DOWN AND PROBABLY PICK SOMETHING THAT WASN'T THE

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COMMISSION PREVIOUSLY, IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT.

OK. SO THEN THE THAT WAS ALL IT WAS ON THAT PLAN THAT WAS REVIEWED

BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THAT TIME AS WELL. >> YES.

SO ALL OF THE DESIGN ELEMENTS IN THIS BESIDES THE GRADES IS THE SURVEY OR MEANING?

>> IT'S NOT MY EXPERTISE TO BE COMMENTING ON THIS. THAT'S MY ISSUE.

IT'S THE ONE THAT THAT GALVANIZED SITING IS NOT LIKE IT'S JUST I DON'T HAVE A GOOD IDEA WHAT THAT'S REALLY GOING TO. I APPRECIATE THE COMMENT THAT IT BETWEEN US OVER TIME IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF THE SHEEN OFF.

IT'S GALVANIZED MORE OF THE SILVER BRIGHTER COLOR. >> THAT IS NOT WHAT THAT IS.

RIGHT. SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AS REFLECTIVE I GUESS AS I SEE IT AS YOU SEE OTHER CORRUGATED METAL ROOFS AROUND LIKE IN STOCK FARM THERE ON THE OLDER COTTAGES ON THE LEFT THOSE HAVE SOME CORRUGATED METAL ROOFS AND THOSE ARE MORE OF THE LIGHT

SILVER GALVANIZE THAT YOU SEE THAT IS COMMON. >> THIS ISN'T AS COMMON AROUND

TOWN I GUESS. >> SO PREMIUM FINISH. >> SO DO YOU KNOW ANY EXAMPLE? THERE ISN'T ANYTHING AROUND TOWN THAT WE KNOW. GOOD EXAMPLE OF IT THAT'S LESS

OF A COLOR. >> THAT'S WHY I KNEW THE BLACK IN MY HEAD OR BRONZE OR WHATEVER COLOR WAS. IS THAT WHEN THESE. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK.

I DON'T HAVE AN EXAMPLE FOR THAT. DO YOU FEEL THAT IT.

>> ME ME AND SEEING THINGS LIKE THIS EVERY DAY AND WORK AND DOING THINGS.

IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME. I THINK THAT IT'S DARK ENOUGH IF IT WAS LIGHTER. YES. I WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.

OK. THE LIGHTING, THE DEVIATION USE THE LCD IS AN ALLOWABLE

LIGHTING SOURCE. >> AND THEN WE HAD THE DATUM LINE.

>> IS EVERYBODY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? OK, AND THEN THE STUCCO OVER THE WOOD FRAMING AND THE WINDOWS WITH THE HORIZONTAL ORIENTATION.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? I THINK THAT ACTUALLY MAKES IT

LOOK BETTER THAN THEY COME IN. >> KATHLEEN OK, OK. SO DOES SOMEONE WANT TO MAKE A

MOTION THAT I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE COMING OUT HERE? >> AND ONE THING WRONG WITH

BEFORE WE DO THAT AS FAR AS THE COLORS. >> IS THAT A REQUIREMENT OR WAS THIS JUST A BONUS THAT WE GOT THE COLORS IN THE HIGH COURT OR OUR COLORS ARE REVIEWED AND THEY DO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE EARTH TONES AND PRIMARY COLORS LESS THAN 50 PERCENT VALUE ETC.. OK. THANK YOU.

I FOUND IT NOW. >> I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE HIGHWAY TO COURT OR OVERLAY CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR ONE THURMOND WAY WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDED REQUIREMENTS THAT WE ALLOW THE USE CORRUGATED METAL SIDING LCD AS A LIGHTING SOURCE THE DATUM LINE TO BE WHERE IT IS STUCK OVER THE WOOD FRAMING THE NOTED WINDOWS BE HORIZONTALLY ORIENTED AND THAT THE SIGNAGE PERMITS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO TOWN OF BLUFFTON FOR REVIEW AND

APPROVAL AND DATA SECOND. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> MADAM CHAIRMAN.

YES, GOOD IDEA. ONE AFTER THE OTHER. CHAIRMAN, I'LL NEED YOUR KEYS.

OK. MISS DUNCAN GOING TO RECUSE HERSELF AND WELCOME BACK

[VII.2. Lowcountry Pickleball Club (Preliminary Development Plan)]

JOINING US. >> THANK YOU. OK.

>> LOW COUNTRY PICK OF OUR CLUB PRELIMINARIES. WELL PLAN A REQUEST FROM MANGAN OF ATLANTA ASSOCIATES FOR A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. STAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PRESENT THIS PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE WHOLE COUNTRY BALL CLUB A REQUEST BY THE PROPERTY OWNER REC MEGAN HALL MICHAEL LANG ASSOCIATES LLC FOR APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A COMMERCIAL PICK A BALL FACILITY PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 60 A

STATE DRIVE WITHIN THE ALL MALE POINT COMMERCIAL MASTER PLAN. >> THIS IS ARIEL SHARON THE

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>> I SHOULD NOTE THAT THE STAFF REPORTED MENTIONED TWELVE INSTEAD COVID 19 OUTDOOR PICK A BALL COURTS 12 WAS INCORRECT. 19 IS CORRECT. COMMENTS ON THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WERE REVIEWED AT THE MAY 18 MEETING OF THE DOE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE. THEY HAVE PROVIDED A RESPONSE TO COMMENTS AND UPDATED THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PLANS TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS PROVIDED AND DUE TO THE PROJECT BEING IN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS WILL NEED TO BE APPLIED FOR AND IT WILL BE EXAMINED REGARDING LANDSCAPING, LIGHTING AND ARCHITECTURE.

THIS HAPPENED PRIOR TO THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL .

>> THIS IS THE SITE PLAN. I HAVE A PHASED IN PLAN AS THE NEXT SLIDE.

THE BEST SLIDE SHOW SHOWN ON THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AS A WHOLE AND IN THIS SLIDE.

NOTE THAT PHASES 2 AND 3 ARE NOT A PART OF THIS PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN REQUESTS.

JUST THE PHASE ONE THAT THEY PROVIDED THIS PLAN TO SHOW OF POSSIBLE CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT ON PAGES 2 AND 3 THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHALL CONSIDER THE CRITERIA SET FORTH IN SECTION 3 10 3A OF THE VIDEO IN ASSESSING THE APPLICATION FOR PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICABLE CRITERIA PROVIDED BELOW AND THESE ARE THE SIX ITEMS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE STAFF

REPORT BANK COMMISSIONS ACTIONS ARE APPROVED. >> THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT APPROVED THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS TABLE THE APPLICATION OR DENIED THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT SAP RECOMMENDATION IS DOWN THAT FINDS THAT WITH THE CONDITIONS NOTED BELOW THE REQUIREMENTS SECTION 310 3A OF THE YUDHOYONO WILL BE MET AND RECOMMENDS THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS MET PRIOR TO FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL IS ONE CONDITION AS PART THE PHASE 1 PICK THE BALL FACILITY DEVELOPMENT PROVIDING PERIMETER SIDEWALKS ALONG THE ENTIRE HIGHLAND CROSSING DRIVE STATE DRIVE FRONTAGE IS ADJACENT TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY TIED THE PERIMETER SIDEWALKS OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS INTERNAL PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION AND TO THE EXISTING SIDEWALK AT THE ENTRANCE OF VILLAGE OF PALMETTO POINT PROVIDE SIDEWALK STREET MARKETS AND PEDESTRIAN CROSSING SIGNAGE AS REQUIRED AND THE SUGGESTED MOTION IS PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED THE APPLICATION WITH THE CONDITIONS NOTED BY STATE QUESTIONS FIRST.

I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DO THE APPLICANT AND THERE'S SOMEONE HERE TO SPEAK CHEMICALS MORNING THAT I DIDN'T SEE AN PROBABLY GIVING TO THE US REPORT.

DISCONNECT THE IF YOU ONLY USE THIS. YES.

JUST TO ESCAPE CALL WHILE WHILE THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT IF THERE WAS ANY PUBLIC

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CARDS ARE. >> THEY'RE ALL HERE. >> DOES ANYONE HAS NOT FILLED

OUT YOU CAME IN LATE AND YOU WANT TO SPEAK. >> PLEASE FILL OUT ONE OF THE FORMS. OK, EVEN MY NAME'S JOSH TILLER OR GK TILLER ASSOCIATES.

I'M REPRESENTING THE BACKER OF MR. RICK MCGINN. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT HIS PROPOSED PICK A BALL FACILITY AND WHAT HE'S PUTTING INTO THIS FACILITY, HE'S HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. UNFORTUNATELY ARE CIVIL ENGINEER CAME DOWN WITH CUPID SO FORTUNATE FOR US HE DECIDED NOT TO COME TONIGHT. SO I'M HERE TO ANSWER AS MUCH AS I CAN. AS PART OF THE PRELIMINARY APPLICATION RELATED TO CIVIL, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH THIS. THIS EARLIER CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY AND I'D LIKE TO KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH IT.

THE THE OVERALL SITE IS JUST OVER TEN POINT TWO FIVE ACRES. THIS PHASE ONE PROPOSED PICK A BALL FACILITY AND RESTAURANT OCCUPIES JUST UNDER HALF THAT THAT PARCEL.

THE REMAINING TWO PHASES THAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE WERE THREE SEPARATE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS WILL COME IN LATER PHASE AND WE WHEN WE FIRST LAID THIS OUT AND I'VE BEEN JUST JUST IN BACK HISTORY I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS PROPERTY AND THE OWNER SINCE 2005.

SO MR. MCGINN HAS BEEN VERY PATIENTLY HOLDING ONTO THIS PROPERTY IN ANTICIPATION

OF BRINGING QUALITY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS BLUSTER. >> WE STARTED LAYING OUT THIS

PICK A BALL FACILITY. >> WE WERE VERY SENSITIVE TO THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS THAT ARE SHOWN TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THIS PAGE WHICH IS TO THE SOUTH IN THIS FACILITY AND MOST OF THE ACTIVITY WILL BE TO THE VERY NORTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, THE BUILDING ITSELF TO PICK A BALL CLUBHOUSE ITSELF HAS SIX INDOOR COURTS ALONG WITH THE REMAINING IS APPROXIMATELY 9000 SQUARE FEET FOR THE CLUBHOUSE IS GOING TO BE AN ON STAFF PHYSICAL THERAPIST THERE AND OTHER ASSOCIATED CLUBHOUSE AND ALL THE COURTS NORTH OF THAT THAT 30000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING SO THAT BUILDING ITSELF PROVIDES A LOT OF NOISE ABATEMENT WHICH WILL HELP PROTECT THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES SOUTH OF US.

IN ADDITION WE'VE GOT A SIX COVERED COURTS AND THAT'S TO THE VERY NORTH OF THE SITE AND THIS WILL HELP CAPTURE A LOT OF THAT. ANY LIGHT THAT MIGHT FALL OUTSIDE OF THE COURT'S IN ADDITION WE'VE GOT THE 13000 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT AGAIN

PROVIDES FURTHER NOISE ABATEMENT TO THE FACILITY. >> SO WE'VE BEEN SENSITIVE TO THE RESIDENTS CONCERNS AS FAR THE LAYOUT OF THIS FACILITY IS ADDITION CONCERNING CIRCULATION THAT THE PALMETTO THE COMMERCIAL P AWAY OWNS HALF OF HIGHLAND CROSSINGS TO THE SOUTHERN HALF IS OWNED BY THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION PALMETTO POINT AND THEN THE NORTHERN HALF IS OWNED BY THE THE PROPERTY ASSOCIATION FOR THE COMMERCIAL TRACT.

SO WE'VE WE'RE FOR OUR PROPOSED ACCESS POINTS OR ARE APPROVED BY THE THE OVERALL PICTURE WAY FOR THE COMMERCIALS FROM A PARKING STANDPOINT. AGAIN, WE FALL UNDER THE JONES ESTATE PD WHICH IS TIED TO THAT IS THE OLD 90 DASH 3 ZONING BOARD AND THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE'VE GOT CURRENTLY IN THE TOWN.

I BELIEVE THE TOWN FOR RESTAURANT REQUIRES FOUR SPACES PER 1000 SQUARE FEET OF RESTAURANT UNDER THE JONES ESTATE IN THE OLD 90 DASH THREE AND THAT'S IT'S TWELVE SPACES PER THOUSAND WHICH IS SIGNIFYING MORE THAN WHAT IS CURRENTLY REQUIRED.

IN ADDITION TO THAT WE PROVIDED ONE AND A HALF SPACES FOR THE 9000 SQUARE FEET OF THE

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ON THE SITE. >> THERE ARE TWO LARGE MULTI TRUNK Y THOSE THAT WE'VE PUSHED THIS BUILDING BACK TO THE NORTH TO AVOID IMPACTING AND WE'VE KIND OF CREATED THIS SPACE AROUND THOSE TREES AS A GATEWAY INTO THE MAIN PORTION THE BUILDING AND JUST FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT AFTER THIS PRELIMINARY APPROVAL WE STILL GOT TO COME BACK FOR HOW WE QUARTER APPROVAL AND THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE ARCHITECTURE.

YOU'LL GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT LIGHTING AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE FOR THE PROPERTY

CAN JUST JUST A COUPLE OF ITEMS I MIGHT POINT OUT. >> HI, I'M RICK MCGINN REPRESENTING THE OWNERS GROUP. JOSH DID MENTION THAT THE RESTAURANT'S 13TH THAT IS ON FOOT AND IT DOES PROVIDE SOME SCREENING FROM NOISE AND SO FORTH.

IT IS A TWO STORY RESTAURANT SO IT'S NOT A SINGLE STORY. SO THAT'S PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL TO IMPACTING THE NOISE ABATEMENT. ANOTHER THING I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CLUB, HOW BUILDING THE NINE OR TEN THOUSAND FOOT PORTION OF THE CLUBHOUSE WHICH IS CLOSEST TO HIGHLAND CROSSING DRIVE IS A ONE STOREY BUILDING .

>> THAT BUILDING STEPS FROM BEING A ONE STOREY BUILDING TO A TWO STOREY BUILDING THAT ENCLOSES THE SIX INDOOR COURTS WHICH ARE FULLY ENCLOSED. THERE'S REALLY A SUBSTANTIAL BLOCK IN OF THE NOISE THAT MIGHT TRAVEL AND THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT IN OUR CONSIDERATION FOR THE LAYOUT. WE SPENT A LOT OF TIMES REVISING THE PLAN AND FINALLY CAME UP WITH A PLAN THAT I THINK ACCOMPLISHED WHAT WE WANTED TO AND PROVIDED A GREAT AMENITY TO THE COMMUNITY BOTH IN IN TERMS OF PROTECTING AGAINST LIGHTING AND NOISE ABATEMENT SO FORTH BUT ALSO IN OUR MANDATE TO THE COMMUNITY THAT CAN BE ENJOYED BY.

WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE HAVE A QUESTION. >> JOSH, IS THE IMAGE THAT YOU'RE SHOWING ON THE SCREEN? THAT'S NOT THE MOST CURRENT LIKE WHAT'S IN OUR PACKAGE.

DIFFERENCES. >> YEAH, WE'VE ON THE NORTHERN END TO THE FAR RIGHT OF THE PAGE. WE'VE BROUGHT KANE DRIVE NOW STRADDLES THE PROPERTY LINE WITH THE PARCEL TO THE NORTH OF US. WE WERE WE WERE ABLE TO COORDINATE THAT WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER. SO IT'S HAS ADDED A MORE I GUESS FLUID ACCESS INTO THAT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. SO WE'LL HAVE A SHARED ACCESS WITH OUR NEIGHBOR. SO SOME OF THAT THAT DRIVE US TO THE FURTHEST TO THE RIGHT ACTUALLY SHIFTS TO THAT NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE AND STRADDLES THE NORTHERN PROPERTY . THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGE. AND THERE'S NO FOOD TRUCK

PARKING IN THE NEW PLAN. >> IF SO, WE'RE THERE WILL THERE IS THERE IS A SWITCH BACK

TO THE OTHER. >> IF WE COULD SWITCH BACK TO THE RIBAUT IT'S JUST REPRESENTS CURVE. CAN YOU SEE MY YOU CAN SEE THE CURSOR BUT THERE'S A PAD WHERE

IT SAYS CAIN DRIVE TO THE LEFT OF THE WORD DRIVE. >> THERE'S A PAD IN THERE THAT

CAN ACCOMMODATE THOSE TRUCKS. >> AS YOU CAN SEE CAIN DRIVE BASICALLY STRADDLES THAT

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YEAH. WE ACTUALLY MOVED THAT. WE HAD IT AS A SECOND ACCESS POINT ALONG ESTATE. WE ELIMINATED THAT. IS THERE ANY REASON? WELL, WE FELT WE COULD IMPROVE SOME OF THE SPACE BEHIND THE RESTAURANT FOR FOUR PATRONS AND IT ALSO ELIMINATED ADDITIONAL CONGESTION ALONG A STATE DRIVE. SO WE JUST CONSOLIDATED DOWN TO ONE ACCESS POINT THERE ANY OTHER DIFFERENCES THAT ARE NOT GOING TO SAY MAJOR VERSUS MINOR JUST SO WE CAN HAVE A REFERENCE OF WHAT CHINA ORIGINALLY ON THE CONCEPT DRAWING THAT'S THE

CORPORATE COURTS ARE DIFFERENT IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION. >> CORRECT.

YES, SLIGHTLY. RIGHT. BUT GENERALLY EVERYTHING'S IN

THE SAME LOCATION. >> IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN TWEAKED SLIGHTLY.

HEY, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? DO PUBLIC COMMENT I HAVE A

BUNCH OF YOU WANT TO COMMENT AND THEN AND THEN DISCUSS. >> ALL RIGHT.

WELL THEN WE WILL GO AHEAD AND START THE PUBLIC COMMENT IF THERE ARE ANY WILLIAM WEAVER S LET'S NOT PUT IT THIS WAY. JAMES. JEFF, GO.

>> YES, PLEASE SPEAK TO THE MICROPHONE. THAT YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. MY NAME IS JAMES JEFF COTE. MY ADDRESS IS 6 0 5 CLEVELAND ROOTS REALLY PARK, MARYLAND. BUT I AM A PROPERTY OWNER IN PALMETTO POINT BUSINESS PARK AND WE HAVE COVENANTS AND DEED RESTRICTIONS THERE. MR. MADIGAN HAS TRIED TO CHANGE AND DID NOT GET UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO CHANGE AND IT DOES NOT APPEAR I LEARNED ABOUT THIS PROJECT TODAY THAT HE'S GONE TO OUR BOARD OR OUR ARCHITECTURAL COMMITTEE AND IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT HE SAID TO REQUIRED 60 FOOT SETBACK TO MOVE FROM RIGHT AWAY AT 170.

IT'S NOT CLEAR THAT UNDER ARTICLE 4 OF OUR DECLARATION AND COVENANTS THAT THIS USE FITS INTO THE ALLOWED USES IN THE PALMETTO POINT BUSINESS PARK.

SO IT'S REGRETTABLE THAT THERE WAS NO EFFORT ON THE PART OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PAYING DUES IN THIS CAN IN THIS BUSINESS PARK OR MAINTAINING PONDS RIGHTS OF WAY TO HAVE HAD ANY INPUT BEFORE THIS CAME BEFORE THE IF WE COULD. SO I OPPOSE.

THANK YOU. WE HAVE ANOTHER MICHAEL DOLAN. HELLO.

>> I'M MIKE DOLAN. I LIVE AT 214 ARCO CIRCLE IN CYPRESS RIDGE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. AND I GOT TO SAY THAT I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PART AND AVID PICK A BALL PLAYER PLAY FOUR OR FIVE TIMES A WEEK WE GO TO BLUFFTON COURTS ON OMAR STREET AND CONGRATULATIONS. THEY'RE THE BEST COURTS IN THE AREA. I HAVE LOVED THE IDEA I CAN UNDERSTAND PICK THE FASTEST GROWING SPORT. THERE REALLY ARE NOT ENOUGH COURTS IN THE AREA FOR ALL THE PLAYERS SONS, SONS, CITIES CONSTANTLY BOOKED. MARGARITA WILL CONSTANTLY OR IS ADDING MORE ETC. FOR THE PALMETTO POINT PEOPLE I WOULD SAY IF YOU GO PALMETTO DUNES IS LIKE ONE OF THE BEST PLACES TO PLAY. THEY HAVE 24 COURTS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY WITH A ONE STOREY BUILDING A CLUBHOUSE AND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT YOU REALLY YOU CAN'T HEAR THE BALL. AND SO WITH THIS ONE I'M JUST SEEING THESE PLANTS FOR THE FIRST TIME. IF THERE ARE COURTS THAT ARE INDOORS AND THEN THE COURTS THAT ARE FURTHER AWAY WITH A TWO STOREY BUILDING, I WOULD HAVE TO THINK THAT YOU'RE JUST NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO HEAR VERY MUCH. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER VARIES

DANIELLI STRAY STRADDLING. >> HELLO. HELLO.

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I DIDN'T REALIZE IT BUT THAT NOISE CARRIES UP TO A QUARTER OF A MILE.

WE PURCHASED HOME OVER IN SUN CITY ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO. WE ARE SOMEWHAT CLOSE TO THE PICKLE BALL COURTS A LITTLE OVER A THOUSAND FEET AND FROM SEVEN O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING TILL 10:00 AT NIGHT WE HAVE NO QUIET ENJOYMENT OF MY PROPERTY. SO WHEN I SAW THIS COMING ABOUT I SAW THAT THERE WAS RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY ADJACENT TO IT THAT BROUGHT CONCERN FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WERE ADJACENT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. I LISTENED TO THE DEVELOPER AND IT SHOWS THAT BASICALLY HE'S BUILDING A BUILDING TO PROTECT FROM THAT SOUND.

SOUND WAVES ARE SUCH THAT THEY REFLECT OFFICE SERVICES. SO PUTTING A BUILDING TREES OR LANDSCAPE FROM POINT A TO POINT B IS NOT A PROTECTIVE PROCESS. YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE A SOUND ENGINEER. TAKE A LOOK AT IT. THERE ARE SOME COMPANIES OUT THERE. ONE IS CALLED ACOUSTIC BLOCK. THEY MAKE A SPECIAL FENCE WHICH IS CALLED ACOUSTIC FENCE FOR PEOPLE BALL COURTS. IT SUBSIDES SOUND MITIGATION BY 28 DV. YOU CAN PRINT IT. YOU CAN MAKE LOOK LIKE LANDSCAPE OR WHATEVER YOU WANT. I JUST WANTED TO BRING THE POINT THAT YOU KNOW, THERE IS A RESIDENTIAL AREA HERE AND THE SOUND OF PEOPLE BALL AGAIN IS 15 HOURS A DAY NONSTOP 7:00 IN THE MORNING UNTIL 10:00 AT NIGHT. THANK YOU, SARAH.

LAUGHS. MY NAME IS SARAH GLASS. I'M THE VISE PRESIDENT OF THE PALM OIL POINT HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. THIS IS THE SUBDIVISION THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO WHERE THIS IS PROPOSED GOING IN. I KNOW WE HAVE QUITE A FEW CONCERNS BUT I KNOW OUR BIGGEST CONCERN RIGHT NOW IS ONE OF THE PROPOSED ENTRANCES INTO THIS IS HIGHLAND CROSSING POINT. THAT'S OURS. THAT'S OUR STREET.

WE PAY FOR THAT. WE PAY FOR EVERYTHING. I MEAN THAT'S THAT'S OUR STREET. SO WE'RE CONCERNED WITH THE TRAFFIC FLOW OF OPENING AND ENTRANCE ONTO A PRIVATE STREET, A PRIVATE RESIDENTIAL STREET. SO WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HAVING THAT. I WAS. THANK YOU.

HERE YOU ARE. BE OKAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHERS? OK. I WANT TO GO OUT AND START DISCUSSING FIRST.

MY FIRST QUESTION IS THE TRAFFIC REPORT. IT IS PAGE 7 OF THE REPORT REFERENCES THAT THERE WILL BE AN OBSERVATION DECK FOR THE COURTS ABOVE THE ON THE ROOFTOP AREA FOR THE PICKLE BALL COURTS. AND THAT WILL BE SERVED FOOD.

IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, IT'S ACTUALLY YOU COULD CALL IT AN OBSERVATION GATE.

>> IT'S AN OUTDOOR GATHERING AREA AND IT RESIDES BETWEEN THE THE TWO STOREY RESTAURANT AND THE PICK BALL CLUBHOUSE. THAT AREA IN BETWEEN THE TWO WAS THAT AREA TAKEN INTO

CONSIDERATION FOR THE PARKING CALCULATIONS? >> WHAT'S THE ANSWER? IT'S NOT OR IT'S BASED ON A HEATED SQUARE FOOTAGE BUT YOU'RE SERVING FOOD YOU LARRY,

FOR THE USERS OF THE COURT THEY'RE BUT IT'S NOT REQUIRED. >> WHY WOULDN'T IT BE? I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHY IT WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED ON ACCOUNT.

IF IT'S PART IF IT'S JUST ANOTHER PART OF WHERE THEY'RE SERVING OR ACTIVITY IS PART OF THE CLUB USE. SO WE WERE THE THE THIRTEEN THOUSAND SQUARE FEET IS BASED ON THAT BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE AS A TOTAL THAT I GUESS IS WHAT THAT INCLUDES THAT PART.

>> THE THIRTEEN THOUSAND YOU KNOW THE THIRTEEN THOUSAND EIGHT IS ENCLOSED.

>> SO WHY DOESN'T THAT SQUARE IT COUNT FOR PARKING. HAVE ANSWERS TO THE CONCERNS THAT OUTDOOR RESTAURANT AREA WHERE THERE CAN BE CERTAIN MEDIUM TO CHECK OUT THIS AREA THE SAME WAY THAT THEY CALCULATE IT OR OUTDOOR SEATING AREA FOR RESTAURANTS TO COME INTO THE PARK AS AN OBSERVATION FROM MY UNDERSTANDING HOW ARCHITECT EVEN IF IT'S AN

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THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THAT. >> AMENITY BUILDING WELL THERE'D BE SOME TYPE OF COUNT PER CODE AND MY SAFETY. SO AT SOME POINT THERE'S GONNA BE IT'S GONNA BE COUNTED SOMEWHERE. SO THAT'S.

SO IT'S EXCLUDING THE THIRTEEN THOUSAND SO THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE WE DON'T KNOW BASICALLY IF YOU HAVE TABLES AND CHAIRS AROUND OTHER COURTS WAS COUNTED AS DINING AREAS TO THERE ARE DIFFERENT THINGS AND HOW THE CODE READS AS FAR AS WHENEVER YOUR ARCHITECT DOES THEIR CODE STUDY AS ASSEMBLY OR BUSINESS OR WHATEVER MAYBE RESTAURANT THERE'S DIFFERENT COUNTS AND THEY GIVE YOU IN THE CODE BOOK.

>> SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE RIGHT NOW OR HOW THAT'S CLASSIFIED BECAUSE I'M TALKING ABOUT GENERAL BUILDING AND MY SAFETY CODE NOT NECESSARILY WHATEVER YOU'RE RECITING BUT MAYBE THAT'S WHY WE'RE JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE USES.

>> I MEAN THERE'S GOING TO BE PEOPLE WAITING ON COURT. THEY'VE GOT TO HAVE GATHERING SPACES BUT THAT'S WHY WE HAD TO TWO PARKING SPACES PER COURT. BUT I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT HOW THAT WORKS BECAUSE YOU HAVE FOUR PLAYERS TYPICALLY CORRECT ON ONE COURT IF YOU'RE PLAYING DOUBLES YOU HAVE TO USE OK. IF YOU'RE PLAYING DOUBLES YOU

HAVE FOUR IF YOU AREN'T. >> SO IF TWO PEOPLE COME AND ARE PLAYING SINGLES AND THEY COME IN DIFFERENT CARS, THAT DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR ANY SPECTATORS AND IT DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR DOUBLES AND WE HAD TWO AND BASED ON THE AWARENESS READING OF WHAT WE'RE REQUIRED FOR POKING WE USED OUR KIND OF INDUSTRY STANDARD. THIS ISN'T THE WAY IT READS SAYS INDOOR OUTDOOR COMMERCIAL ADEQUATE PARKING FACILITIES FOR CONTEMPLATED USE.

>> THEY REQUIRE COMMERCIAL RECREATION PARKING SPACES FOR ANY MULTIPLE USE SHALL BE EITHER A THE NUMBER OF SPACES REQUIRED FOR SUCH SINGLE USE HAVING THE GREATEST PARKING NEEDS PLUS 10 PERCENT OF THE COMBINED REQUIRED FOR ALL OTHER USE AREAS THAT NUMBERS OR B THAT NO SPACE IS SHOWN TO BE NECESSARY AND REASONABLE BY DATA SUBMITTED BY THE

DEVELOPER. >> OKAY LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND BECAUSE I DID QUICK RESEARCH AND I FOUND THREE OTHER PLANNING DEPARTMENTS AND THREE OTHER CITIES IN THIS COUNTRY THAT APPROVED PINNACLE BALL COURTS AND ALL THREE OF THEM SAID THAT THE REQUIRED SPACES WERE FIVE SPACES AND THE REASONING THEY USED THE FIVE SPACES COURT IS

YOU WILL HAVE TWO SIDES PLAYING AGAINST EACH OTHER. >> THAT'S TWO CARS WHETHER IT'S DOUBLES OR SINGLES YOU WILL HAVE THE NEXT SET OF PLAYERS WHO ARE GONNA COME AND BE READY TO PLAY THAT HAVE TO HAVE A PLACE TO PARK THEIR CAR AND THEN YOU HAVE ONE FOR SPECTATORS ONE SIZE FACILITIES ARE THOSE I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT BACKUP BUT THERE WERE BETWEEN 10 AND 30 COURTS AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY ASSUMING THAT WE HAVE 26 COURTS AND 26 4 CAN BE

USED 100 PERCENT OF THE TIME. >> WELL, I WOULDN'T THINK YOU WOULD BUILD THEM IF YOU WEREN'T GOING TO USE MOST OF MOST OF THE TIME. CERTAINLY NOT IF WE COULDN'T PROGRAM. SO YOU'RE USED 100 PERCENT OF THE TIME THE ESTIMATE IS 50 PERCENT WELL BUT THAT GOES BACK TO EVENTS AND IS THERE ENOUGH SPACE?

>> AND BY THE WAY, FOR EVENTS THERE IS NOT IF WE HAVE A LARGE EVENT LIKE A LARGE PICK BALL TOURNAMENT WE EXPECT TO HAVE TO ARRANGE FOR SHUTTLE SERVICES. WE HAVE ACTUALLY ALREADY TALKED TO SOME FOLKS THEN THAT BRINGS UP ANOTHER COMMENT AS FAR AS WHERE DO YOU PUT THE SHUTTLES IN AND OUT AND IF YOU'RE BUSING PEOPLE IN WHERE WE'RE IN A BUS GO BUT THIS HAS.

>> WELL, ONE DAY IT COULD BE A LARGE BUS. >> SO I'M JUST I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT IS ON THE PLAN. WELL, BACK TO THE PREVIOUS LET'S TALK POLL A WHOLE METRO

DUNES AND THERE 20 PICK OF ALL OF COURSE. >> I HAPPEN TO WORK FOR A COMPANY THAT TAKES CARE OF THE HPC SYSTEMS IN THAT ONE STORY BUILDING AND EVERY SINGLE TIME I HAVE BEEN THERE OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS, ALL 20 COURTS HAVE BEEN IN USE.

I HAVEN'T SEEN A 50 PERCENT USE VERY POPULAR. PLEASE DON'T GET ME WRONG.

WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE USE OF THIS AND WHAT IT'S GONNA BE LIKE AND WE DON'T WANT IT CLOGGED UP ANY MORE THAN YOU DO IN MY CONCERN ON THAT. AND THERE ARE OTHER CONCERNS HERE THAT MY CONCERN ON THAT IS IF WE DON'T IF YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING IN THERE WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO PARK THEY'RE GOING TO PARK ON ALL THE ROADS AROUND IT.

>> THEY'RE PARK IN THE OTHER CAMERA OR WHEREVER THE OTHER GENTLEMAN IS HERE THAT OWNS COMMERCIAL AND THEY'RE GOING TO PARK IN HIS PARKING SPACES. YOU CAN PARK WHEREVER YOU CAN

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FIND IT. >> AND BY THE WAY, I SHARE YOUR CONCERN BECAUSE THE WORST THING THAT CAN HAPPEN IS WE OPEN THE FACILITY AND THE RESTAURANT AND WE DON'T HAVE PARKING AND PEOPLE WON'T COME BACK. I SHARE YOUR CONCERN. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO COME TO A REASONABLE NUMBER. IF YOU'RE NOT CONFIDENT THOUGH IN THOSE IN THOSE COURTS BEING

FULL, WHY DO YOU NEED TO DO SO MANY? >> AND IF YOU'RE NOT CONFIDENT IN THE AMOUNT OF COURTS THAT WOULD BE USED, WHY WOULD YOU DO SO MANY? WHY NOT SCALE THAT BACK AND THEN THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE YOUR PARKING? THE REASON IS BECAUSE IN ORDER TO HOLD NATIONAL TOURNAMENTS YOU NEED A MINIMUM OF 24

COURTS. >> SO THEN WE NEED PARKING FOR NATIONAL TOURNAMENTS.

>> SO WE ARE PROJECTING TO HOLD TWO NATIONAL TOURNAMENTS IF IT'S BEEN THE PALMETTO DOWN DURING THEIR NATIONAL TOURNAMENT. THEY CAN SEE HOW DIFFICULT THAT FACILITY IS. SO WE HAVE TRIED TO ACCOMMODATE EVERYTHING WITHIN THIS DESIGN.

>> DO YOU HAVE A PARKING PLAN FOR THE TOURNAMENT THAT WE ARE? YES, WE BELIEVE WE HAVE QUITE A BIT OF CIRCULATION AROUND THE SITE. WE DISCUSSED THAT AT LENGTH AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE FOUR DIFFERENT ACCESS POINTS. AND IN FACT WE WERE PEOPLE SUGGESTED THAT WE NOT PURSUE THE ACCESS POINT OF 170 THE RIGHT AND RIGHT OUT.

BUT WE WANTED TO EVEN COSTING QUITE A BIT OF MONEY TO DO THAT.

WE HAVE GOTTEN PRELIMINARY APPROVAL BUT JUST GO BACK TO THE PARKING ISSUE.

WE UNDERSTAND IF YOU LOOK AT PHASE TWO THAT 5000 FOOT BUILDING WE DESIGN THAT PARKING FIELD JUST I GUESS THAT'S EAST OF THAT 2000 FOOT BUILDING TO ACCOMMODATE ADDITIONAL PARKING.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT PART OF PHASE TWO PARKING WILL PROBABLY BE CAPTURED FOR PHASE

1. >> LET'S TALK ABOUT THOSE NATIONAL TOURNAMENTS FOR A MINUTE. SO I DID WHAT I DO DANGEROUSLY AND I DID A QUICK INTERNET RESEARCH, WENT TO USA PICK A BALL SITE IN THE LAST NATIONAL TOURNAMENT THAT WAS HELD IN PALM SPRINGS, CALIFORNIA FOR MORE THAN 20 342 REGISTERED PLAYERS.

>> HOW CAN I? HOW CAN A SITE LIKE THAT WITH TWO HUNDRED PARKING SPACES HANDLE TWENTY THREE HUNDRED PEOPLE OVER THE TIME OF THE TOURNAMENT NUMBER ONE AND THAT SCARES THE OUT OF ME. YEAH. NUMBER ONE, IT WOULDN'T BE TOO HARD BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER PHASES I THINK WE HAVE FOUR HUNDRED AND TWENTY CODE .

YOU'RE ASKING US TO PICK A BALL WITH 200 SPACES. >> SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO EVALUATE IT ON. YOU KNOW YOU'RE NOT DOING PHASE 2 AND 3 PRESENTLY.

RIGHT. BUT I'M SAYING IF IF WE FELT AND DURING OUR DISCUSSIONS MAYBE YOU'RE TELLING ME WE NEED MORE IF WE FELT THAT WE NEEDED MORE AND YOU GUYS FEEL WE NEEDED MORE, WE CAN CAPTURE SOME PLAYERS TOO AND INCLUDE THAT PHASE 1.

BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU HAVE OVER 400 SPACES AND WHETHER WE BUILT THE BUILDING IN PHASE 2 OR THAT TURNS INTO A PARKING FIELD MAYBE THAT TURNS INTO A PARKING FIELD.

WE WANT TO BE REALISTIC TOO. WE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT PARKING ON PROVIDING ADEQUATE.

WE ARE NOT PLANNING ON COVERING THE PARKING FOR A MAJOR TURN. IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY KIND OF ECONOMIC SENSE AT ALL. AND WE KNOW WE WILL HAVE THE BOSS.

WE'VE TALKED TO SOME FOLKS AT THE TOWN WE'VE ALREADY TALKED TO THE COUNTY.

AND WE'VE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNTY BECAUSE THE COUNTY ACTUALLY CAME TO US AND SAID WE WANNA A WORLD CLASS A BALL FACILITY AND WANTED TO KNOW IF WE WANTED TO DO A PUBLIC PRIVATE JOINT VENTURE AND THEY HAVE DONE A STUDY IN THE COUNTY AND THEY THINK WELL OFTEN THE PLACE TO DO IT. I'M NOT DISAGREEING THAT HAVING SOMETHING THAT HAS TOURNAMENTS HERE WOULD BE A BOON FOR THE ECONOMY WOULD BE A BOON FOR EVERYTHING.

BUT I'M PERSONALLY COMMISSIONER'S I'M HAVING DIFFICULTY.

>> THERE ARE SO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS, SO MANY SO JEROEN AND DENMARK BROUGHT UP THE WHERE DID THE LARGE BUSES GO AND YOU SAID THERE WEREN'T LARGE BUSES.

BUT IF WE HAVE A TOURNAMENT WE HAVE BUSES THAT BRING PEOPLE IN AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BRING THEM IN 15 AT A TIME, YOU'RE GOING TO BRING THEM IN FROM BUCHWALD TO READ COMPLEX OR WHEREVER THEY PARK PORTMANTEAU BRINGS BUSES WHICH ARE 50 AND 60 FOOT BUSES AND THERE ISN'T A DROP OFF AREA ENVISIONED IN THIS. SO I MEAN WE'RE TRYING.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE RIGHT SPOT FOR THIS. I THIS IS THE RIGHT SIZE.

WE STILL NEED TO WORK THROUGH ALL THAT. BUT WE'RE TRYING TO HELP WITH WHAT WE'RE TASKED TO THINK OF WITH WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW AND THAT'S

THAT'S ONE OF THE OTHER CONCERNS. >> WELL, I THINK IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DROP BUSES DEPENDS ON WHAT SIZE WISE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

>> WE HAVE GRAPES CIRCULATION AROUND THE SITE. WE HAVE THE AVENUE COMING DOWN THE MIDDLE. THEY CAN DROP OFF RIGHT AT THE FRONT DOOR.

WE HAVE CANE DRIVE EXTENDED. WE HAVE A PAD OUT THERE AND IT'S HARD TO I GUESS IT WOULD

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>> SO WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE MY OWN ROUTE UP IN MY HEAD BECAUSE THERE'S A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT ROADS AND THEN TO MAYBE AN PLAN FOR WHEN YOU DO HAVE THE LARGE EVENTS LIKE WHERE THOSE PARTS YOU KNOW, THOSE BUSES ARE PICKING PEOPLE UP AND BRINGING THEM AND MAYBE JUST SOME TYPE OF A PLAN TO HELP US UNDERSTAND AND ALLEVIATE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING BECAUSE RIGHT NOW

IT'S JUST SOME UNKNOWNS. WE CAN DO THAT FOR FINAL. >> WE'D BE HAPPY FOR A FINAL.

ONE THING I THINK THAT MIGHT PROVIDE SOME COMFORT LEVEL AGAIN ON THAT RESTAURANT WE'RE THREE TIMES MORE THAN WHAT THE TOWN CURRENTLY REQUIRES IS FOUR PER THOUSAND WE'RE PROPOSING WE'RE REQUIRED BASED ON THE JONESES STATE TWELVE PER THOUSAND.

BUT YOU'RE ALSO REALLY DEAD TO ANOTHER UNDISCLOSED TENS OF THOUSANDS OF SQUARE FEET.

THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE CALCULATION. WELL, THAT'S YOU KNOW I MEAN SO

THAT'S WHY IT'S A LITTLE STAND . >> YEAH.

AND SO WHEREAS THAT TWO SPACES PER QUARTER COMING FROM THAT'S FROM THEIR RESEARCH.

OK. >> CAN THAT BE I MEAN WHEREAS THAT PART OF THE APPLICATION ASKING FOR A WITH DIFFERENT OPERATORS AROUND THE COUNTRY I THINK EXTENSIVE RESEARCH TO

DESIGN THIS WAY WE'VE DESIGNED IT. >> SO THE WAY THE WORDING READS

IS THAT IT NEEDS TO BE ADEQUATE FOR THE USE. >> SO I THINK WHATEVER THAT RESEARCH IS NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE APPLICATION AND THEN THE TRAFFIC STUDY ALSO MENTIONS IT'S ONLY FOR THEY ONLY DID A TRAFFIC STUDY FOR DAILY USE.

THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING TO DO WITH EVENTS. SO I THINK THAT SOMEHOW WE NEED TO HAVE AN EVENT PLAN THAT'S MORE THAN JUST A BUS ROUTE BUT ACCOUNTS FOR THAT LEVEL OF TRAFFIC AND USE BECAUSE QUITE UNDERSTANDABLY WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ENOUGH PARKING FOR THIS TYPE OF PROJECT ALL THE TIME AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LARGER THAN THAT.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR FOR A PERIOD OF A COUPLE AND IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO DESIGN HOLD FACILITY FOR ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR BUT TO USE THAT WOULDN'T BE NICE TO SEE THAT DESIGNATED A BUS DROP OFF AREA THAT'S A WASTED SPACE FOR ONCE OR TWICE.

>> I DON'T THINK ANYONE SAYING THERE HAS TO BE A BUS DROP OFF BUT LOGISTICALLY WE WANT TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND ALSO WHAT DOES THAT IMPACT TO THE TRAFFIC BECAUSE IT'S NOT THOUGHT OF IN THE PLAN SO IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS.

WE'RE NOT DICTATING THAT IT MUST BE. I MEAN PROVIDE THAT SO THAT WE

KNOW THE BUS HAS TO GO TO THE LIGHT. >> IT CAN'T GO OUT THESE OTHER ENTRANCES, THINGS LIKE THAT OR YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN HERE AND THEY'RE GOING TO CARRY X AMOUNT OF BUS THIS LARGE OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT SHOW.

>> WELL, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT WE REALLY NEED A PARKING TABLE INCLUDING PHASING THERE'S NO PARKING TABLE ON THIS. WE DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT GOING TO SIT TRIED TO DO NUMBERS AND I SHOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO SIT HERE AND COUNT TWO HUNDRED AND 21 PARKING SPACES, YOU KNOW, PLEASE THINK THERE WAS THERE WAS A STATEMENT IN THE NARRATIVE ABOUT THAT EVERY GREAT HAVE A TABLE THERE WAS EACH THEY MIGHT GET THE NUMBERS TO ADD UP.

>> RIGHT. SO I THINK MAYBE BECAUSE OF THAT TYPO IN THE VERY BEGINNING I MIGHT HAVE MESSED ME UP. SO ANYWAY IF IT WAS MORE SPELLED OUT IN A CHART IT WOULD BE HELPFUL. IN THE REVIEW CRITERIA THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE'S A SECTION DRIVE AISLE WITH THAT DOES NOT CONFORM.

CAN WE POINT THAT OUT THEN THAT IS THE CAN DO THIS CHANGE IN THE SLIDE DATA THAT GETS PUT THERE IS THAT IT IT'S 16, 16 OR 18 FEET FOR THE ANGLE OF PARKING IT THEY SHOW THEY

DON'T HAVE THE ADEQUATE DEPTH AND DRIVE BY. >> ALL RIGHT.

IT WOULD NEED AN EXPERT TO BE IN EACH DIRECTION AND AND IT MIGHT BE ABLE TO COME OUT OF THE MEDIAN BUT IT WOULD BE LIKE MY MEDIAN. BUT THAT'S THE ONLY SPOT JUST JUST ON THE FRONT ENTRANCE WHERE WE HAVE DOWN ON HERE THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD BASED ON THE ANGLED PARKING WOULD NEED TO WIDER FOR LEAVE. THAT'S RIGHT.

IT'S TO REACH THIRTY FOUR INCH MAYBE IT COMES OUT OF THE PARCELS.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF SHIFTING SOME CURVES OR CIVIL. SHE SAID THAT I'M SORRY.

GO AHEAD. THANKS JASON. HE SAID THAT THE PSA HAD APPROVED USE OF THE ENTRIES AND YET WE'RE HEARING FROM AND I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S SHOWN UP

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>> THERE'S TWO SEPARATE PEOPLE. >> THERE'S A COMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL RESIDENTIAL DOES NOT OWN ALL OF THAT. RIGHT.

THEY OWN TO THE CENTER POINT OF THAT ROAD. OK.

THE REMAINING PORTION OF THAT RIGHT AWAY IS OWNED BY THE COMMERCIAL P.O. THEY WERE IN ARGOS ROADS THAT ARE BUILT THERE AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PART OF .

>> SO THEY OWN HALF WE DON'T HAVE PRICING DRIVE. IT'S ALL RIGHT.

THEY OWN HALF OF HIGHLAND CROSSING DRIVE. CORRECT.

OK, AND THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR HALF OF THE MAINTENANCE OF AND THAT'S DOCUMENTED SOMEWHERE THAT CAN BE PROVIDED. I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY BUT I WOULD SAY I'M CONFIDENT IT IS BECAUSE IT'S A SEPARATE PARCEL IF IT FALLS RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE OF IT RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE IT'S

STATE RIGHT. >> IF YOU LOOK AT THE STATE DRIVE CAIN DRIVE ALL THOSE AND THE OTHER YEAH. THEY'VE ALL GOT LINES DOWN THE MIDDLE EXCEPT FOR HIGHLAND

CROSSING DRIVE THE LINES ON THIS SIDE. >> SO YES, SABLE HERE ALL OWNED

BY THE COMMERCIAL APPEAL. >> IN FACT THERE WAS DISCUSSION AMONGST THE COMMERCIAL PR WAY WHETHER THIS WAS NO YEARS AGO WHETHER WE COULD GET ANY CONTRIBUTION TO OUR ROAD MAINTENANCE BY THE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION THAT DRIVES THROUGH OUR ROADS AND AGAIN IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE CHARLIE I KNOW YOU YOU MENTIONED THAT LINE DOESN'T GO THROUGH THE MIDDLE THOSE THOSE THOSE OTHER LINES ARE JUST CENTER LINES OF THE ROAD IN THOSE PHASE LINES ARE BASED ON

OUR PROPERTY LINE. >> THERE'S A SEPARATE PROPERTY LINE THAT RUNS FROM OUR SOUTHERN BOUNDARY TO THE MIDDLE MIDPOINT OF THOSE OF THE HIGHLAND RIGHT AWAY THAT'S

OWNED BY THE COMMERCIAL APPEAL. >> SO WHY WHY IS THIS APPLICATION THREE PHASES? WHY DIDN'T YOU PHASE 1 AND PHASE TWO NOW? AND SO ANY KIND OF PARKING DISCUSSION. WE WE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT DOING THAT AND THE ORIGINAL INTENT WHEN WE HAD A FREE APPLICATION MEETING WAS TO DO ALL THE SITE DEVELOPMENT OR ALL THE OR ALL THE HORIZONTAL WORK AT ONCE. THE ONLY ISSUE WAS WE DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THE BUILDINGS WERE GOING TO GO OR WHAT SIZE THEY WERE, WHAT THEY USERS WERE GOING TO BE FOR PHASE 2 AND 3. AND IN THE CASE OF PHASE 2 WHETHER WE COULD EVEN BUILD A BUILDING OR NEEDED ADDITIONAL PARKING. SO WE KIND OF GET THE FEELING WE'RE THINKING YOU NEED ADDITIONAL PARKING RIGHT NOW AND I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH

YOU. >> I'M HOPING IT'S SO BUSY. WE DO.

BUT THAT WAS SORT OF THE DISCUSSION AND I THINK OUR CIVIL ENGINEER WHO UNFORTUNATELY DIDN'T DEFEND IT SUGGESTED THAT WE NOT DO THAT BECAUSE WHATEVER BUILDING WE SHOWED NOW FOR PHASE 2 AND 3 WOULD PROBABLY CHANGE AND WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS ALL CAN YOU COMMENT ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THE PROPERTY OR THAT WAS PART OF THE COMMERCIAL PART? THE WAY THAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT IS THE THIS USE IS NOT ALLOWED AND THEN WE MENTIONED THE 60 FOOT BUFFER. AND THIS GOES WAY BACK TO PROBABLY 2000 SIX OR SEVEN OR NINE YEARS AGO WHEN HIGHWAY 170 WAS WHY'D THEY ACQUIRED A

PORTION OF THAT FOR 13. >> YEAH YEAH IT TWO. THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THERE IS A MASS PART AMENDMENT SWEATS. YES.

AND THE MASTER AND THAT'S UP MY BET THAT THEY'RE SHOWING ON HERE IS CORRECT.

IT'S NOT. IT'S NO LONGER A 50 60 FOOT. IT'S BEEN REDUCED TO THE AMOUNT THAT THEY SHOW THERE AND THAT'S IMPORTANT. WITH THAT APPROVED MASTERPLAN THERE THERE WERE A NUMBER OF THINGS IN THE COVENANTS AND THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS THAT WERE DRAFTED ON THE ORIGINAL BUSINESS PARK WHICH SET UP THAT WERE NEVER REVISED AND NEVER MAYBE BROUGHT UP TO DATE MADE CURRENT. THAT'S WHY AS MR. JEFF COHEN MENTIONED, WE TRIED TO GET THOSE DOCUMENTS CHANGED ABOUT I GUESS THREE YEARS.

AND EVERY BUSINESS OWNER IN THE PARK SIGNED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MR. JEFF COE, ONE OF THE THOSE ITEMS WAS CHANGING BUFFER BECAUSE IT WAS NOT CORRECT ANYMORE.

IT WAS REVISED WHEN THE HIGHWAY TOOK OUR PROPERTY ON THE SITE AND ANOTHER WAS THE ELIMINATION OF THE RB BECAUSE THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ANY RV SINCE A PROPERTY WAS DEVELOPED.

AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ANY HL WAY APPROVAL OF ANY OF THAT DEVELOPMENT.

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>> BUT THE DEVELOPMENT THE USE THAT YOU CAN THERE'S NOWHERE IN DIFFERENT THE ZONING CODE WHEN JOINT WELL I MEAN I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT SOUNDED LIKE HE WAS REFERENCING SOMETHING FOR THAT

PARTICULAR PFOA. >> MADAM CHAIR. YES, I THINK IT WAS MR..

MR. TRANSCO. IT WAS BROUGHT UP THAT THE FIRST PROPOSED USE MAY VIOLATE THE PRIVATE COVENANTS ON THE PROPERTY. CLEARLY THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SO MOST YOU KNOW, MOST COMMUNITIES, MOST SUBDIVISIONS HAVE THEIR OWN SET PRIVATE COVENANTS AS TO WHAT YOU CAN DO WITHIN THOSE COMMUNITIES. AND I DON'T HAVE A COPY OF THE POINT COMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL COVENANTS BUT THEY SHOULD BE OF RECORD AND THEY SHOULDN'T DICTATE WHAT WOULD BE PERMITTED UNDER THERE. AND SO I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT YOU'RE ASKING NOW. YES. WHETHER WHETHER THERE'S WHETHER IT'S YOUR KNOWLEDGE THERE'S ANY COVENANTS THAT ARE BEING VIOLATED.

THERE'S THIS PROPOSED APPLICATION TO MY KNOWLEDGE I KNOW RECREATIONAL USE IS ACCEPTABLE RETAIL USE, RESTAURANT USE AND WE CAN EVERYTHING WE'RE PROPOSING WE CAN FIND THAT IN THE COVENANT LIKE THAT'S THE DOCUMENT WE CAN FIND.

>> WE WE CERTAINLY WE CERTAINLY CAN. TYPICALLY IN THAT AS PART OF THE APPLICATION PERHAPS STAFF CAN BETTER BETTER ADDRESS THIS QUESTION BUT TYPICALLY IT'S PART OF AN APPLICATION FOR ANY SORT OF PERMIT. THERE'S A BOX THAT HAS TO BE CHECKED THAT THE PROPOSED ELEMENT BEST THE APPLICANT ACKNOWLEDGES MY LADY PRIVATE COVENANTS AND THOSE SORTS OF PRODUCT COVENANTS AREN'T NECESSARILY ENFORCEABLE THE TOWN THAT THERE'S A VIOLATION BUT THEY ARE ENFORCEABLE AMONGST THOSE MEMBERS OF THAT COMMUNITY. SO IT'S AGAIN IT'S THEIR PRIVATE CONTRACTUAL ARRANGEMENTS BETWEEN THEM. WE JUST DON'T APPROVE ANYTHING THAT WOULD VIOLATE THAT.

THAT'S STEP THAT WE TAKE TO MAKE THAT KIND OF HARM. WELL, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANY UP YET THAT THERE'S AN OBLIGATION ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO ENSURE PRIVATE ARRANGEMENTS AREN'T GOING TO BE IMPACTED. YOUR JOB IS TO ENFORCE THE ZONING CODE ORDINANCES ADOPTED THE TOWN AND FOLLOW THE CRITERIA AS FAR AS WHAT THE COVENANTS. THAT'S AGAIN IT'S A PRIVATE ARRANGEMENT BETWEEN THE PARTIES. BUT THERE IS THAT STEP TO KIND OF COVER THE TOWN PLANNING COMMISSION REALLY AND ASK TO CONFIRM THAT THESE ARE NOT THE PROPOSED USE IS NOT A VIOLATION

OF ANY OF THIS PRIVATE AGREEMENT. >> SO FROM THE TOWN STANDPOINT IT'S AN OK USE AS AN APPROVED USE A FROM A I KNOW DEFER TO STAFF ON THAT AND IT MEETS JIM

JONES A STAY. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR THAT PEOPLE DON'T

THINK THAT WE'RE CHANGING THINGS. >> AND IF I MADE THE ISSUE IS THAT PLANNING COMMISSION SHOULD IT BE IN THE BUSINESS OF INTERPRETING CONTRACTS AND INTERPRETING PRODUCT COVENANTS DECLARATIONS GOVERNMENTS WHICH CAN OFTEN BE 40 OR 50 PAGES AND TRYING TO DETERMINE WHETHER THIS POTENTIAL USE AMBIGUOUS ENOUGH TO LET IT IT'S THERE'S A PROCESS IN THE ZONING CODE FOR WHEN THAT ZONING ORDINANCES THERE'S NO SIMILAR PROCESS FOR THAT WHEN IT COMES TO PRIVATE AGREEMENTS THAT'S BETWEEN THAT'S BETWEEN THE PARTIES.

WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE IN THE BEST YOU'RE NOT VIOLATING ANYTHING DEVELOPMENT

PLAN APPROVAL. >> WE ASKED FOR A LETTER SHOWING APPROVAL BY THE APPLICABLE TROPHY RELAY ARRAY B SO I SAID MR. JOB CUTS CONCERNS WILL BE ADDRESSED IN I.

>> I HAVE A COUPLE OF CONCERNS THAT MAKE ME RELUCTANT TO SEE US MOVE FORWARD WITH AN APPROVAL AT THIS POINT THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION OF AN IF WE CAN DISCUSS FOR JUST A

MINUTE AND THEN I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION. >> ONE OF THE CONCERNS ISN'T DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE DEVELOPER AS MUCH AS GUYS THIS IS THE TRAFFIC REPORT.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M LOOKING AT BUT WE NEED SOME KIND OF I DON'T KNOW IF THE

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MY ONE OF MY MAJOR CONCERNS WHICH WE ALL KNOW BECAUSE I VOICED IT A COUPLE OF TIMES IS THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THE TRAFFIC FLOW IT HASN'T BEEN MENTIONED YET BUT THESE FOLKS THAT ARE AT HOME AT NO POINT ON THE OTHER ENTRANCE THAT THEY HAVE THE OTHER MAJOR ENTRANCE THEY HAVE IT'S A SCHOOL. IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT. NOT ANYBODY'S FAULT.

BUT THE OTHER ENTRANCE THEY HAVE A SCHOOL WHICH IS A TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE AT TIMES.

AND IF WE BOX THEM IN WITH TWO TRAFFIC NIGHTMARES, IF WE DON'T PROPERLY HASH THIS OUT THEN WE'RE NOT DOING THEM A SERVICE. OKAY. I WANT TO I WANT TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT TRAFFIC REPORT . I THINK WE NEED TO SEE DOCUMENTATION FOR THE REASONING FOR THE NUMBER OF STATES SPACES AND I THINK STAFF NEEDS TO RESEARCH THAT TO MAYBE SOME OTHER PLANNING DOCUMENTS. I BUMPED INTO HIM PRETTY EASILY ON THE INTERNET OF REASONING FOR IT. IS IT TOO IS IT FIVE THREE? IS IT EIGHT THAT TYPE OF THING? GOT TO SEE SOME KIND OF A DROP OFF EVEN IF IT'S EVEN IF IT'S A LITTLE 15 SEATER VANS, WHAT'S THE DROP OFF IN TRAFFIC FLOW LOOK LIKE? SO IT'S SAFE FOR THE PEDESTRIANS THAT ARE GOING THROUGH A AND I THOUGHT THAT

WAS A GREAT IDEA EVENT TRAFFIC FLOW. >> YEAH, THEY'RE ONLY TWO YEAR THERE MAY BE 80 YEAR THAT ARE SMALLER TO WHAT'S A VAN TRAFFIC LOOK LIKE THAT MAY EVEN BE SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH AND I DON'T I DON'T KNOW HERE I'M WITH WITH

THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. >> WELL TO HELP WITH THAT I TOTALLY AGREE.

>> WE JUST DIDN'T FEEL WE NEEDED AT THIS POINT. WE FELT THAT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE. UNDERSTOOD. WE HAVE A CERTAIN RESPONSABLE AT THIS POINT TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. AND I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ANYBODY ELSE. AND NO NOTHING ON. I'M JUST NOT THERE.

I'M PERSONALLY NOT THERE. AND BY THE WAY, A LOT OF THIS COMES ON BOARD WITH US ONCE WE

REALIZE WITH THE RESTAURANT OPERATE AND CLUB MANAGER. >> SO IT'S SORT OF A PROCESS FOR US AND WE SORT OF THOUGHT WE'D BE JUMPING THE GUN AND ORDER AND I THINK WE ALL

UNDERSTAND SOME OF THIS IS CONCEPTUAL. >> WE GET THAT AND 13000 MIGHT BECOME 12000 MIGHT BECOME ONE STORY MIGHT BECOME YOU KNOW, BUT THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS HERE THAT I THINK IF WE GOT BUTTONED UP THEN WE CAN MAKE A BETTER INFORMED DECISION.

AND I JUST STILL AND I HEAR YOU JOSH I JUST I THINK WE NEED TO SEE TRULY OWNS THE ROAD BECAUSE THE CONVERSATIONS I HAD EARLIER, THE RESIDENTIAL PFOA THINKS THE ON THE ROAD DO YOU THINK IT'S 50 50? WE JUST WE NEED TO FIND THAT OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT THAT YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO USE THAT ROAD BUT IT'S MAINTENANCE.

>> YOU KNOW, THE ROADS ARE ALREADY BEING USED BY OTHER COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

YEAH, JUST LIKE THE RESIDENTIAL ROADS ARE BEING USED BY PEOPLE THAT ARE CUTTING THROUGH FROM COMMERCIAL TO SCHOOL OR WHEREVER. BUT JUST JUST THE QUESTION AND THE OWNERSHIP OF THAT ROAD AND I THINK WE CAN WE CAN PREPARE ON THAT FOR FINAL.

WELL, I'M I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. >> I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BUT I'M NOT PREPARED. I PERSONALLY I'M NOT PREPARED TO VOTE FOR APPROVAL WITH THOSE CONDITIONS. I WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE IN TABLING IT FOR A MONTH TO LET THAT BE GATHERED AND COME BACK BECAUSE TO REVIEW IT AND I DON'T I'M I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR EVERYBODY ELSE ON THERE BUT THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I'M LEANING AND THAT'S THE MOTION I'M PREPARED TO MAKE IS TO TABLE IT UNTIL THE GATHERING OF . AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO SEE THAT I MISSED.

I THINK MY BIGGEST ISSUES ARE THE PARKING MAKING SURE THOSE COUNTS MAKE SENSE AND THE TRAFFIC FLOW AND EVENT FLOW BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THOSE RESIDENTS

A LOT. >> WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

WE CAN GET OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER HERE FOR THE NEXT MEETING. ALSO FROM A PARKING STANDPOINT WHERE WE'RE KIND OF HAMSTRUNG BY THE EXISTING OLD 90 DASH 3 ORDINANCE.

SO WE NEED YOU KNOW, WE CAN PROVIDE YOU ALL THE NUMBERS BUT THAT SAID ONLY GETS US SO FAR.

MAYBE MAKE A I MEAN A VISUAL GRAPHIC SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN UNDERSTAND AND DO A COMPARISON

90 DAYS NOT NINETY POINT NINETY . >> THE AUTOMATIC DASH 3 IS YOU KNOW, I'M HAVING A LOT FOR THE LOCAL CAR CAUSE I'M HAVING X AMOUNT FOR THIS JUST BECAUSE

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WELL I THINK IT WASN'T THAT NINETY POINT NINETY DASH THREE OR WHATEVER IT DID NOT SAY THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE THE RESEARCH FOR THAT CALCULATION. SO I THINK EVEN JUST HAVING THAT TO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN IF IT'S IF IT'S UP TO YOUR BEST RESEARCH AND KNOWLEDGE IT'D BE GREAT IF IT WASN'T JUST YOUR WORD FOR IT. WE COULD SEE THAT DOCUMENTATION OF WHERE IT'S COMING FROM AND BECAUSE OF TO THE RIGHT NUMBER THAT'S FINE.

BUT I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO SEE THAT WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IS LESS SENSE.

>> SO WHAT IF IT'S 10 PERCENT PLUS RESTAURANT AND THAT'S LESS THAN WE'RE STUCK WITH LESS.

SO WE'VE GOT TO HAVE SOME GIVE AND TAKE HERE ON THE FOURTH. >> YEAH.

LET'S NOT DEMONSTRATE AND REALLY TRY RESEARCH. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

I HEAR YOU SAY GIVE AND TAKE BUT MY MAIN OVERALL CONCERN IS TO NOT DRIVE DOWN A STATE DRIVE AND HAVE IT LINE WITH CURVES ON BOTH SIDES BECAUSE WE SCREWED UP IN WHAT? AND BASED OUR RESEARCH WE DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE IT WORK. YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE DECISION ON THAT AND AS I KEEP SAYING, I'M ONE OF ACTUALLY FOR HEART RATE. HOW BUT IT WOULD PROBABLY ALSO HELP TO HAVE THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HERE NEXT MONTH WHO AREN'T HERE BUT I DON'T

KNOW HOW THE REST WILL FEEL AS IF YOU HAVE AN OPINION. >> DEAN, IF WE'RE CONSIDERING TABLING THIS, IS THERE ANY WAY YOU COULD DO SOME RESEARCH AND FIND OUT THERE ANY DOCUMENTED COMPLAINTS NOISE FROM OTHER PICK UP BALL COURTS AND WE COULD DO THAT AND I THINK WHERE YOU'RE TALKING WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS A PARKING STUDY THE SCOPE THAT WOULD MAYBE ADDRESS TOURNAMENTS AND SHOVELING ISN'T IT JUST TO FIND SOMEBODY TO COME UP WITH OTHER CALCULATED REQUIRED PARKING LOT OPEN PARKING STUDY THAT THEY COULD PROVIDE FOR COMMISSIONERS IN WHAT WOULD GIVE COMFORT TO AND I'M NOT SAYING BY ANY STRETCH YOU HAVE TO DO THIS BUT WHAT WOULD GIVE A COMFORT LEVEL TO IS AN AMMO YOU MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH EITHER B FOR COUNTY PARKS FOR PARKING OR SCHOOLS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT ALONG WITH THAT TRAFFIC.

>> I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY BUT IT MIGHT IT'S HARD TO GET ANYONE TO FOCUS ON YOUR HEAD

ALONG TO PERMANENT PROCESS. >> WE HAVE ACTUALLY TRIED AND NOBODY IS REALLY IT'S COME BACK

WHEN YOU GET READY TO SAY I HEAR YOU. >> SO THE OVERALL FEEL THAT WE

NEED MORE INFORMATION. >> SO WHAT WHAT'S THE PROCESS IF WE APPROVE IT WITH CONDITIONS IS THAT HOLD US TO WHEN THE. EXACTLY.

OKAY. >> YEAH YOU WILL SEE THAT. AS PART OF THE OTHER DAY.

THAT'S RIGHT. WHICH IS AFTER THE F AS YOU MAY RECALL.

SO THIS AN AREA DEVELOPMENT THE PLAN THERE IS THE NEXT STEPS CAN BE OUR DEVELOPMENT PLAN WHICH IS A DECISION THAT IS MADE WTO ADMINISTRATOR UNDER OUR ZONING AUDIENCES.

SO WE WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS QUITE A BIT THAT YOU KNOW, THESE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU MAKE TOWN STAFF IS IS RESPONSIBLE FOR TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE FOLLOWED. BUT ULTIMATELY THE DISCRETION LIES WITHIN THE IDEA ADMINISTRATOR TO MAKE THE DECISION BASED OFF FOR JUDGMENT AND THE YOU KNOW, THE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE RIBAUT A TUMOR. SO YOU WILL NOT SEE THIS APPLICATION AGAIN EXCEPT FOR A REVIEW FOR THE HIGHWAY COURT OR OVERLAY DISTRICT. IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU THINK MISSION ASK THE APPLICANT IF IF THE APPLICANT IS OKAY WITH TABLING IT BECAUSE PART OF THE ISSUE WE ALSO FACE IS UNDER SOUTH CAROLINA LAW. WE HAVE A OBLIGATION TO TIMELY PROCESS APPLICATIONS AS THERE SUBMIT. SO WE CAN'T JUST INDEFINITELY TABLE THINGS WAITING FOR MORE INFORMATION IN THE PAST. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.

THIS PLANNING COMMISSION STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO KICK FINAL APPROVAL BACK TO THE WHOLE COMMISSION. NOW WE HAVE TO ASK THOSE PREMIER PERMISSION TO.

I MEAN WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO COME BACK B IN LIEU OF HAVING THIS EXTRA STEP? YOU MEAN TABLE FOR A MONTH AND COME BACK? WELL, NOT LIKE TABOR COME BACK FOR A FINAL. HE WOULD GIVE US PRELIMINARY WITH THE CONDITIONS BUT WE'D BE WILLING TO COME BACK FOR A FINAL PUSH SO THAT WE CAN PLAY IT AGAIN.

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>> YEAH, BUT WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE THAT AGREEMENT THE ADMINISTRATOR

WOULD HAVE TO. BUT THAT COULD BE A CONDITION. >> SO YOU CAN UNFORTUNATELY TODAY THEY CAN'T MAKE IT A CONDITION BECAUSE THAT THAT TAKES AWAY THE ASSAULT ON THE

VIDEO ADMINISTRATOR AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE. >> THAT BEING SAID, HAVING WORKED TOWNS THAT QUITE A BIT. I WILL DEFER TO STAFF ON THAT. I WOULD FULLY EXPECT IF THE APPLICANT HAS AN AGREEMENT IT'S SPEAKS ON THE RECORD OF OUR PLANNING COMMISSION MAKES THEIR FEELINGS ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. NO, THEY EXPECT TO SEE THIS AS PART OF THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SECURITY AGREEMENT ON THAT ONE.

I GET THAT THIS IS THE ONLY TIME WE DEFINITELY GET SOMETHING THAT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE. I'M SORRY EVEN IF YOU VOLUNTEER TO COME AT THIS MEETING BUT I

DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S A GUARANTEE RIGHT. >> IF I I CAN'T GUARANTEE YOU BUT IT'S IT'S FULLY EXPECTED THAT MCCOLLUM WOULD SEND IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION.

I DON'T WANT YOU TO DO A LOT MORE WORK IN WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR FINAL BEFORE YOU COME BACK TO US AND ALL OF A SUDDEN SOMEONE SAID I WOULD RATHER I PERSONALLY WOULD RATHER TAKE 30

MORE DAYS TO GET THAT DATA. >> SO WE ALL CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION THEN HAVE YOU DO ALL THAT WORK COME BACK IN A FEW MONTHS FOR FINAL AND WE'RE LIKE THIS MAKES NO SENSE THEN MAYBE MORE THAN A FEW MONTHS BECAUSE THE STORE IT'S BETWEEN PRELIMINARY FINAL A STORMWATER PERMIT PRIOR TO SUBMITTING FOR FINAL SO YOU MAY NOT SEE IT FOR SEVERAL MINUTES JUST BASED ON

HOW LONG IT TAKES TO GET THE SCOPE OF WITH APPROVAL. >> AND FINALLY I THINK WE TABLE

WE'LL SEE IT SOONER AND THEN THEY CAN GET STARTED. >> IT WILL BE COMING BACK AT THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE APPLICANT CAN JUST BRING IT BACK AND WE DON'T TABLE. THAT'S UP TO YOU AGAIN. I'M SPEAKING FOR ME.

I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR FOR SO APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS MEANS THAT YOU'RE GONNA FINISH THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND GO THROUGH ALL THAT ENGINEERING.

>> I'M DUMPING I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT YET I'M AGREEMENT WITH YOU.

>> AGREED. OK, SO SO HOW DO WE WANT TO APPROACH THIS? DO YOU ALL WANT TO US TO TABLE IT OR RICHARDSON GUIDE US HERE PLEASE?

>> WELL, ABSOLUTELY. OBVIOUSLY THE MR. LEVEL IT SOUNDS LIKE THE OPTIONS ARE BEING PRESENTED TO THE AFGHAN RIGHT NOW TO TABLE THIS. I THINK THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION SO THAT THEY FORCED TO VOTE ON IT AT THE MOMENT IN WHICH CASE IT SEEMS THAT LEANING TOWARD IT. NOW I CAN'T I CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO BUT IT CERTAINLY SEEMS THAT WAY THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO START SCRATCH IN THIS WAY. YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK COME BACK IN 30 DAYS.

IMPORTANT CONCERNS OUT THE WAY RATHER THAN COMING BACK ON DEVELOPMENT PLAN WHERE YOU'VE SPENT ALL THE MONEY ON THE STORMWATER CALCULATIONS ENGINEERING AND THEN MAYBE YOUR PARKING DOESN'T WORK AND YOU HAVE JUST COME BACK TO THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF REDO ALL YOUR STORMWATER SO CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION? I THINK YOU JUST DO WHAT YOU SUGGESTED BEFORE AND SORT OF IN THE SAME SCENARIO I WAS THINKING OF INITIALLY WHICH IS DO THE ENTIRE SITE SHOW ALL THE PARKING CONCEPTUAL BUILDINGS FOR PHASE 2 AND 3 AND THEN

BRING IT BACK WITHIN 30 DAYS? >> DOES THAT PUT US FURTHER AHEAD BECAUSE OF THE PARKING ISSUES? I DID NOT. NOT SAYING WE AREN'T GOING TO

ADDRESS ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS. >> HOW DOES THAT FEEL ABOUT WHERE PARKING THAT YOU SHOW THAT YOU WANT TO COUNT TOWARDS YOUR FAITH? ONE FACILITY WOULD NEED TO BE WITHIN THAT PHASE 1. SO IT'S THE OUTCASTS THAT YOU'RE SHOWING NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THAT PARKING.

YOU'VE BEEN USED FOR BAIT. ONE MORE IF WE WOULD BE DOING IT RIGHT.

IF I COULD ONE PHASE TWO WITHIN PHASE 1 THAT IS IN PHASE 1 WOULD BE BIGGER INCLUDING ADDITIONAL PARTIALLY. I MEAN MAYBE THAT SOLVES NO. YOU'RE BRINGING FORWARD A MARRIAGE DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT SUITS PROBABLY LOOKING AT HERE IN PHASE 1 AND 2 RIGHT HERE.

RIGHT. RIGHT. >> THAT'S THE HARD PART OF THAT. WE DON'T KNOW THAT SOLVES YOUR PROBLEM UNLESS YOU DID SOME KIND OF SHOWING US SOME OF THOSE PLAN. AND MIKE, WE WERE SAYING WE DON'T WANT YOU TO GO TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD. AND IF SOMETHING DIDN'T WORK OUT WELL THEN YOU'VE ALREADY SAID WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT SOLVE OUR PROBLEM.

THAT'S AN OPTION I'M OPEN TO ANYTHING YOU WANT TO PROPOSE BUT SOLVE THE I MEAN BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF VERY SO MANY VERY PRELIMINARY THEY CAN RESUBMIT ANY ITERATION OF THE

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STILL COME BACK WITHIN 30 DAYS . >> WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS ADDRESS YOUR CONDITIONS. RIGHT. AS PART OF THAT NEW RECENT MIDDLE WE HEAR YOU WE'VE LISTENED AND MADAM CHAIR, IF I CAME IN I KNOW YOU'VE GOT A FULL AGENDA NOW WE HAVE A TON OF PEOPLE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE IF I CAN TRY TO SUMMARIZE SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD THAT WHAT THE COMMISSION IS RECOMMENDING THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE APPLICANT IS AMENABLE TO IS TABLING THIS APPLICATION FOR 30 DAYS.

>> WE CAN COME BACK AND EXPLAIN THE MEETINGS SERVE CONCERNS CAN BE ADDRESSED REGARDING THE PARKING, WHAT ARE THE CALCULATION, WHAT SORT OF MARKET CALCULATION IS BEING USED TO DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATE WORKING TO THINK SO AS WELL AS THE FIRST TOURNAMENT LAYOUT FOR TRAFFIC FLOW AND BUS BUS DROP OFFS AND THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS AND TRAFFIC PATTERNS

AND I CAN VERIFY THE OWNERSHIP AND VERIFY THE OWNERS. >> I'M SURE YOU'LL BE ABLE TO.

AND THEN DID SOMETHING ABOUT NOISE THAT WE WERE THAT'S THAT'S A BIG ASK.

>> WAS IT A SHORT TURNAROUND WHICH IS 30 DAY? WELL, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE TO

PUT A TIMEFRAME ON IT. >> WE CAN TABLE IT UNTIL THE APPLICANT'S READY IF THAT WE

STILL NEED THE INFORMATION 30 DAYS PRIOR. >> IS IT BETTER FOR US TO TABLE

THAT OR IS IT BETTER FOR THEM TO WITHHOLD FURTHER? >> I WOULD.

I WOULD RECOMMEND THE JOB. YOUNG PEOPLE THAT SAY YOU'RE TAKING ACTION ON IT.

>> CAN I MAKE JUST A QUESTION IN THIS PRO FOR STAFF? I THINK FOR AS FAR AS PARKING CALCULATION GOES, WHAT KIND OF FIRING IN THE DARK HERE ON THINKABLE? WE FELT COMFORTABLE WITH IT. IS THERE A STANDARD LIKE USED FOR THAT WHETHER IT'S YOU ALLY

OR FORCE HUNTING CULTURE? >> BECAUSE WHAT I'M CONCERNED WITH IS WE WE MIGHT DO OUR HOMEWORK AND FIND OUT THAT IT'S ACTUALLY LESS THAN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

WILL YOU ALL STILL BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? >> YOU'RE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT PARKING REQUIREMENTS, COURT OR I MEAN AS LONG AS YOU CAN CITE EXAMPLES WHERE IT'S USE ELSEWHERE, I THINK THAT'S FINE AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE'S SOME THERE'S SOME PUBLISHED MATERIAL OUT THERE THAT PROBABLY HAS REFERENCES BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER WE USE IS GOING TO BE ACCEPTABLE STAFFING. WELL, DON'T USE MY FIVE MEN ON AN INTERNET SEARCH. THEY SAID FIVE SPACES OR WHATEVER THE REGULATIONS

TYPICALLY FOR A TENNIS COURT. >> GOOD QUESTION. IT'S THAT'S ONE AND A HALF SPACES PER SQUARE FOOT. IF WE FOLLOW THE THE ORDINANCE PER SQUARE FOOT OF WHAT BUILDING OF CLUB SPACE WE'RE BUILDING SO WE'RE ACTUALLY OVER WE ARE OVER PAR.

>> I'M JUST CONCERNED IF IT FIGURED SMALLER BASED ON OUR STUDY COME BACK THE SAME

NUMBER. >> ARE YOU THIS DOCUMENT? SO ALL WE'RE ASKING IS I DON'T INTEND SHARE THOSE PLANS OF BUSSING PEOPLE IN. I MEAN THAT THAT CAN COVER THINGS. WE JUST NEED TO SAY WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.

LOOK AT MADAM CHAIR. I HECTOR A LITTLE BIT OF A RECOMMENDED US BY THE INDIVIDUAL REQUESTED THAT THIS BE TO THE END OF THE AGENDA AS AROUND AND IS AVAILABLE TO PROVIDE HER PUBLIC COMMENT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT.

I'LL GIVE YOU THE PROS AND CONS. LAST THROES I KNOW WHAT THE PUBLIC OPTION IS ADVOCATES OF OTHER COMMON AS IT'S ALREADY COULD BE TABLE TO COME BACK TO THAT'S MEETING SO SHE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT THERE AS WELL. AGAIN THE SHE HAS MADE HER WAY HERE AND IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT WANTS TO INCLUDE IN THEIR APPLICATION OR ADDRESS THEIR APPLICATION IN ADVANCE THE MEETING. SO ULTIMATELY IT IS AT YOUR DISCRETION THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DECIDE WHETHER TO ALLOW THIS PUBLIC COMMENT TO BE PRESENTED AGAIN. THERE IS A PACKED AGENDA TONIGHT AND WE HAVE PACKER HERE . JOSH ARE NOT GOOD WITH THAT. SO WE CAN HEAR ONE MORE COMMENT AND THEN THAT WAY YOU CAN HAVE SOMETHING TO INCLUDE. I MEAN JUST MORE FEEDBACK IN

THIS INDIVIDUAL'S PRESIDENT THE WAYS WE CAN RESOLVE IT AS WELL. >> OKAY.

SO YES, WE'LL ALLOW THE PUBLIC COMMENT. MURPHY WILL STATE YOUR NAME

ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE. >> KERRY MURPHY 32 SAGO PALM I APOLOGIZE FOR FOR NOT BEING

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THE FIRST BEING THAT WE OWN HIGHLAND CROSSING DRIVE. I KNOW THERE'S DISPUTE THAT IT'S OWNED BUT THE GI S MAPPING AS WELL AS THE PLATTE SHOWS THAT WE OWN HIGHLAND CROSSING DRIVE. ADDITIONALLY WE PAY FOR THE WATER.

WE PAY FOR THE ELECTRIC ASSOCIATED WITH THE MONUMENT OUT THERE.

SO JUST FROM A LOGISTICAL SPEAKING THAT'S GOING TO DISRUPT THE ACCESSIBILITY INTO OUR COMMUNITY. COUPLE THAT WITH THE FACT THAT ON THE OTHER SIDE WE HAVE PRITCHARD VILLE WHERE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS AN EASEMENT.

AND SO WE'RE ALREADY FACING ISSUES WITH ACCESS INTO THE COMMUNITY AND THE WEAR AND TEAR ON OUR ROADS. SO IF WE WERE TO ALLOW OR YOU KNOW, IF THIS WERE TO HAPPEN THE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WEAR AND TEAR ON THE ROADS, THE EXPENSE I SAW IN THE PLANS THAT IT STATES THAT THE PSA IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THE ROADS.

MY QUESTION WOULD BE IS IS THAT REFERRING TO THE THE BUSINESS ASSOCIATION OR THE HRA?

>> AND THEN AGAIN WITH THE NOISE EVEN IF YOU DO A QUICK GOOGLE SEARCH NOISE AND PICKLE BALL IS IS A KNOWN ISSUE. SEVERAL LAWSUITS HAVE RESULTED AS A RESULT OF THE NOISE AND SO AGAIN WITH IT BEING IN SUCH CLOSE PROXIMITY TO OUR HOMES, WE ARE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT ABOUT THE NOISE, THE TRAFFIC JUST JUST THE IMMENSE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC IT'S GOING TO BRING INTO THE COMMUNITY AND POSSIBLY BE CUT THROUGH FOR THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.

THANK YOU. I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO GET TOGETHER AND DISCUSS THE

ISSUES. >> ABSOLUTELY. IT WOULD HELP US.

>> OKAY. THANKS. I WILL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOVE THAT WE TABLE THE AGENDA ITEM UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE APPLICANT COMES BACK.

>> SOME OF THE ISSUES ARE ADDRESSING THE ISSUES THAT WE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED I HAVE DO

I NEED TO RIGHT NOW? >> OKAY I GOT ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON FAVOR? ANY POST. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

[VII.3. Refuel Store and Carwash (Preliminary Development Plan)]

MR. DUNCAN IS BACK. >> WE WILL GO TO NUMBER THREE THE REVIEW STORE AND CAR WASH PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. DAN, YOU'RE GOING TO BE PRESENTING THAT ONE AS WELL, PLEASE. PRELIM LUMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR REFUEL CAR STORE AND CAR WASH. IT IS LOCATED IN THE RIVERSIDE VILLAGE PARK SIX REQUESTED BY RYAN ROBERTSON OF REFUEL WITH OTHER SECTION OF THE PROPERTY OWNER ARCHITECT COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES FOR APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENTS ON THE PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 150 PARK

SIDE COMMENTS WITHIN THE NEW RIVERSIDE VILLAGE MASTERPLAN. >> THIS IS AERIAL SHOWING THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY WITHIN THE RIVERSIDE VILLAGE JUST SOUTH OF MAIN RIVER DRIVE TO BE ACROSS THE STREET FROM FROM THE PUBLIX ENTRANCE ON THE MAIN RIVER BOULEVARD.

BUT BUT IT'S NOT DIRECTLY ACROSS. CURRENTLY THE THE PARK COMMENTS ROAD IS BEING PUT IS IS CONSTRUCTION TO HAVE IT COME THROUGH ONTO MAY RIVER ROAD ADJACENT TO THE SITE CONSTRUCTIONS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD BE A FULL LEFT

TURN AND RIGHT TURN OUT OF OUT OF THE VILLAGE. >> THIS IS ANOTHER LOCATION APPLICATION FOR PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN LOCATED WITHIN THE RIVERSIDE PD STANDARDS.

>> THE SET FORTH IN THE RIVERSIDE PD PROJECT CONSISTS OF A FOUR THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED FIFTY EIGHT SQUARE FOOT CONVENIENCE STORE, 12 FUELING STATIONS AND A CAR WASH.

>> STAFF'S COMMENTS ON PRELIMINARY PLAN WERE REVIEWED AT THE MARCH 16 DEVELOPMENT

REVIEW COMMITTEE. >> APPLICANT PROVIDED IN RESPONSE TO COMMENTS AND

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OUR LAST AGENDA ITEM THIS IS WITHIN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT AND A CERTIFICATE PROPERTIES WILL BE SUBMITTED EXAMINING LANDSCAPING ,LIGHTING AND ARCHITECTURE.

PRIOR TO FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL UP TO THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WILL BE CLOSER

VIEW OF IT. >> TWELVE PUMP STATIONS. THE ROUTING FOR THE FOR THE TRUCK WOULD LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET THIS BACK RIGHT. WRAP ROUTING FOR THE TRUCK TO COME IN. THE GAS TRUCK WOULD BE COMING IN OFF FROM A RIVER ROAD.

THEY PROVIDED CIRCULATION FOR THAT. YOU'RE PROPOSING SOME OFF SITE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN AND REESTABLISH EASEMENT HERE ADJACENT TO THIS REFUEL STATION IS I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE FOLLOWED PRETTY QUICKLY WITH A CAREFUL MEDICAL OFFICE FACILITY RIGHT HERE. THIS PARKING IN SOME OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS IF I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY, I'VE ALREADY BEEN REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE ADJACENT OWNER AND THIS LAYOUT THAT'S NOT A PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS IS CLOSELY MATCHES WHAT WHAT THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN IS FOR THIS SITE AS WELL. THEY ARE PROPOSING PARKING THAT INCLUDES ADJACENT PARKING ALONG HERE ALONG HERE WHICH IS EXISTING ON BOTH SIDES.

I THINK THAT THE CURBS ARE IN BUT NOT THE PARKING ITSELF. IT'LL BE INSTALLED BY THE REFILL DEVELOPER CIRCULATION FOR THE CAR WASH WOULD BE RIGHT HERE.

ALTHOUGH THEY SHOW LANDSCAPING ON THIS PLAN FINAL LANDSCAPE PLAN IS NOT NECESSARY UNTIL FINAL LANDSCAPE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN SOME MIDDLE SAME CRITERIA SECTION 3 2 3 A OF THE AUDIO AND IN ASSESSING AN APPLICATION FOR DEVELOPER PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

THESE ARE THE SIX CRITERIA PLANNING COMMISSION HAS AUTHORITY TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT AND APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS TABLE THE APPLICATION OR DENIED THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.

>> THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS DOWN STAFF FINDS THAT WITH THE CONDITIONS NOTED BELOW THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 3 3A OF THE U DL WILL BE MET AND RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS MET PRIOR TO FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL. ONE IS PROVIDE BUILDING FOUNDATION PLANTINGS DIRECTLY AGAINST THE BUILDING ON THE NORTH AND WESTERN SIDES. THIS IS PER GSL 90 SLASH 3 SECTION 5 1882 THEY CURRENTLY SHOW LANDSCAPING IT'S NOT DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING AND IT NEEDS TO BE THEY SHOW FOUNDATION LANDSCAPING AROUND THE BUILDING JUST NOT ADJACENT TO THE WALLS . PROVIDE A 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE OFFER ON THE EASTERN AND SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINES FOR DSL 90 SLASH 3 SECTION 5 1881 AND 3 ADJUST PARKING CALCULATIONS TO ACCOMMODATE THE ON STREET PARKING SPACES ADJACENT SAY AND

I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS SLATE APPLICANT. >> HERE TO SPEAK IS THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING. RYAN ROBINSON HERE FOR REFUEL. APPRECIATE STAFF'S ASSISTANCE.

DAN UM I'M WORKING ON THIS PROJECT. I'M EXTREMELY EXCITED ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY HERE TO BE A PART OF THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON. I'LL JUST HIGHLIGHT REALLY QUICKLY WORKSITE ABOUT THE DESIGN OF THE STORE. WE THINK IT'S A GREAT FIT FOR THIS AREA. HAPPY TO COMPLY WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT STAFF RECOMMENDED AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU'LL HAVE TONIGHT.

I THINK THERE WERE TWO QUESTIONS AND I APOLOGIZE. I HAD TO STEP OUT FOR A MINUTE.

THERE WERE TWO QUESTIONS DRC. ONE WAS THE RUNOFF FROM THE CAR WASH AND ONE DEALT WITH THE PARKING SPACES WHERE THE VACUUMS ARE. HAVE THEY BEEN ADDRESSED? THE BANKING SPACES HAD BEEN ADDRESSED. THERE IN THE PRESS.

THE CAR WAS BACK IN SPACES ACTUALLY PROVIDED A WIDER WIDTH.

YES. AND THEY ARE CLEAN HERE AND HERE ARE TWO PARKING SPOTS THAT

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>> CORRECT? NOT KIND OF A PARKING WELL. THEY ARE PARKING PRACTICALLY PARKING CALCULATIONS. HOWEVER, WHEN THEY MEET THE CONDITION OF AN UPDATING DEPARTMENT PERMITS TO SHOW THE ADJACENT PARKING THEY'LL BE ABLE TO MEET CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS. DEP DOES NOT CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.

ST. AND THEN THE RUNOFF FOR THE CAR WASH. YES.

SO THE WASH THAT WE HAVE A TOUCH LIST SYSTEM. THERE IS A DRAWING UNIT THAT'S THERE THAT THE CAR GOES THROUGH BEFORE IT EXITS THE CAR WASH. WE HAD A CONVERSATION POWER CLEAN WHO IS THE COMPANY THAT PROVIDES THE CAR EQUIPMENT THAT ACTUALLY CLEANS THE CAR? THEY SAY THAT THERE IS VERY MINIMAL TO NO RUNOFF FROM THAT SYSTEM THAT ALL THE WATER STAYS

INSIDE OF THE ACTUAL CAR WASH BUILDING ITSELF. >> BUT BY MY MEMORY AND HELPED ME OUT GUYS BY MY MEMORY THE CONVERSATION WAS ABOUT CAPTURING THE GRAY WATER THAT COMES OFF THE CARS AS THEY EXIT AND VERY MINIMAL DOESN'T ADDRESS.

>> IT'S ALSO WILL BE HANDLED STORMWATER KIND OF PROCESS. OKAY.

OKAY. THE CLOSER WE GET TO THE MAIN NEW RIVER THE MORE WE YOU'RE

CONCERNED ABOUT BRIAN SOMETHING GRAPHICALLY ON YOUR PLANS. >> THE NOT IN CONTRACT WITH THE THE DASH IS THROUGH THAT AXIS IS MEANT TO THE WEST THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN NOW VERSUS LATER. CORRECT. BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING. IT MAKES IT SEEM AS THOUGH IT'S NOT HAPPENING AT THE MOMENT.

YEAH, WE WERE TRYING TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THE OFFICE NEXT TO US IS NOT PART OF OUR DEVELOPMENT. HOWEVER THAT ACCESS IS SO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS AN ACCESS EASEMENT THAT'S THERE. WE'VE NEGOTIATED TO HAVE THAT CONSTRUCTED BEFORE WE OPEN.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT CLEAR THE ACCESS EASEMENT IS RECORDED.

>> IT EXISTS. BUT WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT THEY'RE PROPOSING SOME OFF SITE IMPROVEMENTS GIVING THEM ACCESS. YEAH, THERE'S SOME LANDSCAPING ON THE TOP THAT'S TECHNICALLY OFFSITE. WE WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER INSTALL IT OURSELVES. THERE'S A LOT LIKE THAT. WE'VE DONE AN AGREEMENT FOR US TO CONTROL. SO THERE'S THERE'S AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN US AND THE NEIGHBORS NEXT DOOR. WE HAVE THE SAME CIVIL ENGINEERS.

SO THE PLANS ARE VERY TIGHT. KATHLEEN, WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM YOU KNOW WHAT?

>> I'M BACK. ONE QUESTION I HAVE TO START WITH.

ARE YOU CLEARING AND GRADING ON THAT PARCEL SEVEN OUTSIDE OF THAT ACCESS EASEMENT HERE?

>> OKAY. JASON PROPERTIES. SO THE ONLY CLEARING GRADING THAT IS HAPPENING ON PARCEL 7 IS LIMITED TO SPECIFICALLY AROUND THAT ACCESS.

>> OUR SCOPE OF WORK DOES NOT INCLUDE ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF JUST THE ACCESS THAT YOU'RE DOING THE DRIVE I'LL WITHIN THERE AND HOW MUCH OF THE PARKING WE ARE JUST DOING THE

DRIVE. >> I'LL ADD IN THE PARKING ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

SO YEAH. YEAH. THIS WELL I SAID WE'RE IN NEGOTIATIONS RIGHT NOW TO DECIDE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE BECAUSE FROM A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT IT MAKES SENSE FOR US TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.

SO DOING THE LANDSCAPING THERE. SO I'M TRYING TO DECIDE IF WE'RE GONNA DO THAT OR IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER DO IT. BUT WE ARE SELLING ACCESS FOR

FINAL. >> CAN YOU MAKE SURE IT'S VERY CLEAR WHICH TREES ARE ACTUALLY COMING OUT AND WHERE THE LIMITS OF THAT GRADING IS AND WHERE THAT PAVING ACTUALLY IS GOING TO BE LOCATED? I'D BE HAPPY TO. ABSOLUTELY.

ANOTHER COME ON. I HAVE THE I UNDERSTAND WHERE IT CONCEPTUAL FOR LANDSCAPING THE PLANTING THAT'S BEING PROPOSED 1 THERE'S ONLY TWO TYPES OF SHRUBS AND YOU NEED A LITTLE MORE LITTLE LESS MONOCULTURE. ADDITIONALLY IT'S ALL DECIDUOUS PLANT HEIGHT MATERIALS. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND REVISITING THAT WITH YOUR DESIGNER.

OKAY. SO IS PARTICULARLY AS YOU'RE AROUND THE FOUNDATION BUILDING SOME EVERGREEN FOUNDATION SHRUBS AND THERE SHOULD BE TREES IN THE ISLANDS.

THERE I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED I WOULD ACTUALLY IF IT'S A GREAT CONCERN I WOULD LIKE TO SEE LIKE YOU'VE GOT THE ACCESS FOR THE TRUCKS THAT ARE COMING ROARING THROUGH.

>> I'D ALSO LIKE TO SEE THE ACCESS FOR THE DUMPSTER TRUCK. I SEE A POSSIBLE SOLUTION FOR IT BUT I JUST LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOES ACTUALLY CONFIRM THAT IT ACTUALLY WORKS SINCE YOU KNOW LANDSCAPE BETTER THAN WE DO. THE CONDITIONS THAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF DO THOSE MAKE SENSE? OH, I AGREE WITH.

YES, THEY'RE THERE ASSERTIONS ABOUT FOUNDATION PLANTING AREA IN THEIR BUFFER EXPENSE, THE AMOUNT OF BUFFER THAT'S NEEDED . ARE THERE ANY OTHER CONCERNS

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I THINK ONE OTHER QUESTION OR COMMENT I HAD AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS OUTSIDE THE PURVIEW BUT THERE ARE SEVERAL PLACES WHERE THERE ARE PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS IN AND AROUND THIS AND I SAW ON THE NARRATIVE THAT YOU REFERRED TO THIS AS KIND OF A COMMUNITY CENTER.

THAT'S NOT YOUR CHOICE OF WORDS. I DON'T.

I WROTE IT DOWN. I DON'T HAVE IT MEMORIZED. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS IF YOU IF YOU'RE EXPECTING THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE COMING IN AND WALKING AROUND HERE SOME PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALKS AS THEY GO ACROSS THESE DRIVES WOULD BE A GREAT ADDITION IF NOT NECESSARY POTENTIAL SIGNAGE THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT AS WELL.

AND I I I KNOW THE LIGHTING PLAN IS REQUIRED AT FINAL. I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE SEEING WHAT THAT LIGHTING PLAN LOOKS LIKE IS THE LIGHTING THAT'S ON THE SURFACE NOT JUST WHERE THOSE LIGHTS ARE LOCATED BUT HOW MUCH LIGHTS ON THERE SO THAT WE CAN CONFIRM.

THAT WAS ALL FOR ME. >> ALL RIGHT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER IF THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT? DOES ANYONE WANT TO MAKE A

MOTION? >> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH THE CONDITIONS NOTED BY STAFF TO HAVE SECONDS, SECONDS, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY.

THANK YOU. FOR WATER A RECREATION CENTER MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT STANDS UP

[VII.4. Buckwalter Recreation Center (Master Plan Amendment)]

AGAIN. >> I THINK I'M GONNA SAY YOUR NAME A COUPLE MORE TIMES.

BEFORE YOU START, ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT I NEED HER OR YES THERE ARE MASTERPLAN AMENDMENT FOR WATER RECREATION CENTER AN AERIAL LOCATION MAP. IT IS LOCATED IT IS A LARGE PARCEL THAT IS WEST OF BUCHWALD OR PARKWAY AND IT MEETS AT THE INTERSECTION OF FORTY SIX SO IT'S NORTH OF FORTY SIX WEST AND WALTER PARKWAY THERE IS A THE ORIGINAL BACKWATER PIER.

>> THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN IS SHOWN HERE ON THE LEFT AND A CLOSE UP KIND OF KIND OF A ZOOM IN THAT SHOWS THAT THIS AREA WAS WAS IDENTIFIED AS DEDICATED PUBLIC PARK SPACE.

BACK WITH THIS ORIGINAL APPROVAL OF THIS CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN THE APPLICANT AREA ALSO A BIT OF WOODEN PARTNERS ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON AND BEAUFORT COUNTY IS REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE MASTER PLAN FOR BUCHWALD TO RECREATION CENTER AND IT WAS FORMERLY KNOWN AS BLACKWATER COMMUNITY PARK.

THAT'S WHAT IT'S CURRENTLY REFERRED STOPPED IT IS LOCATED IN THE BACKWATER PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE AMENDMENT INCLUDES A REDUCTION FROM THREE SOCCER FIELDS TO TWO SOCCER FIELDS AT THE NORTHERN END OF THE PARK AND I HAVE ADDITIONAL SLIDES THAT SHOW THIS DETAIL OF THE REMOVAL OF A PLANNED SPORTS PAVILION, TWO NEW SOCCER FIELDS AND A RESTROOM BUILDING TO REPLACE THE PREVIOUSLY PLANNED THREE NEW BASEBALL FIELDS.

PRESS BOX CONCEPTION AND RESTROOM BUILDING A NEW DISC GOLF COURSE A NEW MAINTENANCE

BUILDING AND A REVISED TENNIS CENTER. >> THIS IS THE EXISTING PLAN

ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 2001. >> IT GOT AMENDED IN 2010 BUT THE AMENDMENT WAS SMALL.

IT INCLUDED SHOWING WHERE A SKATE PARK IS LOCATED ON A PROPERTY AND IDENTIFYING THE

LOCATION OF A DOG PARK. >> THIS IS A PROPOSED MASTERPLAN.

I'LL GO THROUGH EACH OF THE SLIDES AND SHOW THE CHANGE BETWEEN THE TWO EXISTING MASTERPLAN AND THREE SOCCER FIELDS IDENTIFIED ON THE TOP. THERE IS A WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS REDUCTION FROM THREE SOCCER FIELDS TO SOCCER FIELDS AT THE NORTHERN END OF THE PARK AND THE REMOVAL OF PLANNED SPORTS PAVILION THAT PLANNED SPORTS THE PAVILIONS THE LOWER LEFT IN THAT EXISTING MASTERPLAN. SO ONE OF THE SOCCER FIELDS BEING REMOVED AND PARKING IS REPLACING IT. THE EXISTING MASTERPLAN ON THE

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AND A NEW DISC GOLF COURSE AND A REVISED TENNIS CENTER AT THE TENNIS CENTER AS CURRENT WITHIN THE EXISTING MASTERPLAN IS ACCESS DIRECTLY OFF OF BACKWATER PARKWAY.

>> WITH THE PROPOSED MASTERPLAN IT WOULD BE ACCESS BARTON'S RUN ROAD I BELIEVE IT IS.

THERE IS ADDITIONAL COURTS ALSO BEING PROPOSED FOR THE REVIEW CRITERIA.

>> THERE A TOTAL OF EIGHT OF THEM FREE APPLICATION MEETING WAS ON FEBRUARY 18 20.

>> HAD THEY SUBMITTED ON MARCH 30 OF 2022 IT WAS REVIEWED BY THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE ON MAY 4TH PLANNING COMMISSION TONIGHT JULY 27 AND THE NEXT STEP AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD BE GOING TO TOWN COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION OF MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT APPROVAL. SO YOU ARE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO TOWN COUNCIL YOUR ACTIONS FOR CONSIDERATION OR RECOMMENDATION OF THE APPLICATION AND SUBMITTED RECOMMENDATION OF THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS TO RECOMMEND THEY RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT STAFF RECOMMENDATION AS APPROVAL DOWN TOWN STAFF FINDS THAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 3 9 3 OF THE AUDIO HAVE BEEN MET AND RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO TOWN COUNCIL BUCHWALD OR RECREATION CENTER MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT AND WILL ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS ABOUT THE APPLICANT. I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK PLAIN. >> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.

FELLOW COMMISSIONERS MY NAME'S ERIC WALTER NOVICK SHRUB WITH WOOD IN PARTNERS.

WHERE ARE THE LAND PLANNERS LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS FOR THE PROJECT AND THE DESIGN TEAM LEADER. ALSO HERE TONIGHT MARK SUTTON WHO'S OUR CLIENT REPRESENTING B FOR COUNTY AND THE PRINCIPAL IN CHARGE KYLE THEODORE IS HERE AS WELL.

WE JUST THANK THE STAFF DAN AND JORDAN AND EVERYBODY ELSE WHO CONTRIBUTED WORKING HAND-IN-HAND BACK AND FORTH ON COMMENTS AND I THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED THEM ALL.

AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE SO I CAN'T DISCUSS ANYTHING BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. KERRY, CAN WE START? OH WAIT. DID SAY ON ONE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING IS THIS PUBLIC HEARING?

>> THE ONE WHERE YOU'VE SAID ALL THE DIFFERENT MEETINGS AND SAID PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC

HEARING. >> IT'S NOT IS IT IT'S NOT IN TO FISH OR MAKING TO MAKE THE

MOTIONS. >> I THINK I HAVE THAT ON EACH OTHER 3 MPH WHICH YOU'RE GOING TO SEE TONIGHT. OK. SO IT'S NOT.

NO. THIS IS MAKING A IRREGULAR MOTION RECOMMENDATION TO TELL COUNSEL WITHOUT PROPER WILLIAM WEAVER BELIEVING ALL I'M HERE TO NIGHT PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND I NEED TO GO ON THE RECORD. WEAVER MY WIFE AND I. AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE. MY NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

YES, MY WIFE AND I LIVE IT 5 7 3 MILL STREET THE FARM DEVELOPMENT.

I JUST HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON ESPECIALLY IN THE NJ WHERE WE ARE. AND MIKE, MY CONCERN WOULD BE HOW HOW MUCH CONSIDERATION HAS BEEN TAKEN FOR THE PEOPLE'S HOUSES THAT LIVE CLOSEST TO THE PARKING LOT AND TENNIS COURTS SPECIFICALLY TO FARM DEVELOPMENT ON WALL STREET AND ALSO BARTON'S RUN IN THAT AREA.

AND MY HOUSE. BARTON RUN A CLOSEST TO THESE AREAS.

IF YOU WERE IN MY BACKYARD I COULD LOOK OUT THROUGH THE WOODS AND I PROBABLY GOT ABOUT 90 FIVE FEET OR CONVERTED THE YARD ABOUT 35 YARDS BE SHORT SEEDED BARTON'S ROAD ROAD AND EVENTUALLY IT WOULD BE THE PARKING LOT OF CRUSHED RED CROSS A ROAD AND I KNOW HIS PLANS HE HAS HERE. IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS QUITE A BIT OF FOREST IN THE AREA BETWEEN BARTON'S RUN AND THE FARM AREA BUT THERE REALLY, REALLY ISN'T THERE REALLY ISN'T THAT MUCH ROOM I COULD SEE CARS GOING UP AND DOWN. BARTON'S RUN FROM MY BACK YARD THE TIME AND I JUST I JUST THINK SOME THINGS ARE GONNA BE GOING ON BACK.

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>> I JUST SEE THAT THERE'S THERE'S NOTHING THERE'S NOTHING WHERE THEY WOULD BARTON'S RUN BY THE PARKING LOT THE BUFFERS ,THE ROAD. AND THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD THE FARM JUST DOWN. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH ROOM THERE FOR

PRIVACY THERE. >> I GUESS I HAVE NO PLANS. IT LOOKS LIKE THERE IS.

BUT IF YOU REALLY LOOK I'VE BLOWN IT UP ON MY COMPUTER QUITE A BIT IN THERE IS REALLY, REALLY NOT MUCH THERE. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND OR WHAT'S GOING ON.

I THINK IT'S MORE OF A BUFFER LINE BETWEEN THE PARKING LOT. >> AND THE TENNIS COURTS WOULD BE NEEDED. ANOTHER QUESTION I HAD, YOU KNOW IS IS THERE PLANNING ON 16 TENNIS COURTS? IS IS BLUFFTON REALLY NEED 16 TENNIS COURTS OR IS A POSSIBILITY THAT 16000 COURTS COULD BE DISTRIBUTED SOMEWHERE AROUND THE TOWNSHIP RATHER THAN HAVING SIXTEEN 0 1 SPOT BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE LIGHTS, THERE'S LOBBY NOISE AND CARS

COMING IN AND OUT AND JUST FINE. >> THANK YOU.

THREE MINUTES IS UP. OKAY. THANK YOU.

HEY, RANDY WALDMAN, IT'S GOOD TO THANK YOU. I'M RANDY WOLLMAN 30 FOX CHASE LANE HERE IN BLUFFTON AND PRESIDENT OMAR AND RON PEEL AWAY WE'RE IN FAVOR OF THE

TENNIS COURT. >> WE THINK THAT PARCEL LAND BETWEEN MARCH RUNNING BROWSING AND MAYBE ROAD TO A GREAT SPOT FOR A TENNIS COURT. SO WE'RE OK WITH THAT.

WE DO HAVE A FEW CONCERNS. MARGARINE RUN CROSSING IS NOW MAINTAINED BY BARNES RUN AWAY AND WE'D LIKE TO. THAT WAS AN AGREEMENT THAT WAS MADE YEARS AGO BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND THE COUNTY OR CITY. WE'D LIKE THAT TO BE OPEN TO RENEGOTIATE. THAT IS THAT CURRENTLY IS BASICALLY USED FOR BARGE RUN ACTUALLY AND A TENNIS FACILITY. IT'LL BE MORE PUBLIC ROADS, DRAINAGE AND FLOOD CONTROL WOULD BE ANOTHER ISSUE. BIG RAINS ALREADY GIVE US A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH OUR DRAINAGE SYSTEM SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT EVERY EFFORT IS MADE NOT TO ADD ANY MORE WATER TO OUR DEVELOPMENT AND SECURITY WOULD BE OUR OTHER CONCERN. WE DO HAVE WOODED AREAS AROUND THE PROPERTY AND WE HAVE HAD SOME BREAK INS RECENTLY. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET A PRIVACY FENCE SECURE PERHAPS THE FENCE BETWEEN THE TENNIS CENTER AND ANBAR AND SHRINES THAT WOULD NOT ALLOW PEOPLE TO KIND OF WANDER INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND COUNCILS ANY ISSUES. SO THAT WOULD BE DEFINITELY ONE OF THEM AS WELL.

THOSE BIGGEST CONCERNS OF COURSE HE MENTIONED THE NOISE AND HOURS OF OPERATION AND LIGHTING COULD BE A CONCERN FOR OUR RESIDENTS THAT WERE JUST JOINING THE TENNIS CENTER.

GARY. THANK YOU, NANCY. FRIENDS.

KEITH. HI, MY NAME BRONSKI AND MY ADDRESS IS 126 PLANNER'S RECORD . THAT STREET IS ADJACENT TO THE TWO NEW TENNIS COURTS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED AS WELL AS PARKING. I SENT IN A COMMENT FORM EARLIER AND I BELIEVE IT WAS FORWARDED OUT. THERE IS ACTUALLY AN EASEMENT PATH THAT RUNS NEXT TO MY HOME AND IT RUNS OUT ONTO PLANTERS ROAD COURT.

SO I'VE SPOKEN MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS AND THEY ARE IN AGREEMENT AS WELL.

WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT POOR SAFETY AND SECURITY THAT FROM THE PUBLIC ACCESS IS ENDED. THAT NO ONE CAN GO DOWN THAT PATH.

MAYBE A FENCE PUT UP BY THE SOCCER AREA AS WELL AS FOR SAFETY OF THOSE WALKING THAT IS WETLANDS AS WE ALL KNOW. WE'VE GOT ALLIGATORS, FOXES, EVERYTHING SNAKES.

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THANK YOU. WE'RE HERE. OK.

ALL RIGHT. HE WANTS TO START SO CAN I'LL START THE SECTION OVER THERE ABOUT BARTON'S RUN DANA BEING KIND OF JUST MAP OUT THE MIKE WHAT WE HAVE ON THE SCREEN

RIGHT NOW, THE ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN. >> WE'RE SHOWING THOSE TENNIS COURTS UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE ALREADY. WHERE WOULD BARTON'S RUN DRIVE

HAVE BEEN OR JUST DIDN'T EXIST BACK THEN DID NOT EXIST. >> OK.

>> THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING BECAUSE I MEAN IF YOU WERE TO DO THE PLAN AS IS NOW, YOU COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT POINTING IT OUT WITHOUT ITS BUILDING ALONG THE SAME ALIGNMENT

ENTRANCE. >> RIGHT. RIGHT.

I'M JUST MAKING SURE THAT IT HAS A PLUS THAT IT'S BEEN THAT IT WOULD BE ACCESS OFF

APARTMENT'S FRONT ROAD INSTEAD OF DIRECTLY OFF. >> I AGREE WITH THAT.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS CLEAR THAT THE MASTER EXISTING MASTER PLAN AS IS NOW THE COURTS WERE PUSHED UP TOWARDS THE PROPERTY LINES VERSUS AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINES AND THE ROAD IS NOW THE BUFFER KIND OF BETWEEN THOSE TWO PIECES THE ROAD AND AND

SOME PARKING THERE AS WELL. >> WELL AND ALONG WITH THE THE PLAN FROM 2001 BEFORE ANY OF THESE HOUSES WERE BUILT SHOWED THE STADIUM COURT BEING ON THE BARTON'S LONG RUN PROPERTY LINE WHEREAS IT'S BEEN MOVED NOW. SO IT'S NOT THEY'RE NOT THERE

AND ARE THERE ANY. >> BECAUSE I KNOW YOU HAVE TO KIND OF DRIVE BACK IN THERE.

ARE THERE ANY HOUSES ADJACENT TO LIKE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE COURTS LIKE WHERE THE NUMBER 25 IS LIKE OR IS THAT JUST ALL WE SURE. I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN SAY THERE'S A COUPLE IT MEASURED OFF OF GOOGLE EARTH ZERO HOUSE APARTMENTS, RIGHT? TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY FIVE FEET FROM THE NEAREST TENNIS COURT. RIGHT.

THAT'S A DIMENSION RIGHT THERE THAT SAYS TO 275 AND THAT'S FROM HOUSE TO THE CLOSEST TENNIS COURT. AND THERE ARE SOME OTHER BUFFER THAT'S GONNA BE PUT UP OR MAINTAINING PLUS THERE'S ADDITIONAL STORMWATER BEING USED TO ENHANCE IT.

>> OK. WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO PUTTING A FENCE ALONG WHERE THE ENTIRE

TENNIS CENTER IS ENCLOSED AND FENCING THE PARKING LOT? >> IS NOT CURRENTLY PLANNED

EVENTS THERE? >> WELL, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE SEVEN HUNDRED AND ONE FOOT

EASEMENT BY THE TWO SOCCER FIELDS THAT SPRINGS RIGHT NOW. >> WHAT ABOUT PUTTING A GATE

ACROSS? >> I KNOW IT'S AN OLD LOGGING ROAD BUT IT YES, IT HAS A VALID POINT. OUR CLIENT IS FULLY AWARE OF THAT.

WE'VE HEARD AT THE DRC MEETING SOME CONCERNS IN OUR CLIENT IS TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF DISCOURAGING ACCESS THROUGH THERE WHETHER IT COMES FROM THE PARK TO THEIR PROPERTY OR THEIR PROPERTY TO THE PARK. SO WE WOULD RECOMMEND AMENDMENTS OR SOMETHING THERE TO DISCOURAGE THAT TRAFFIC. THAT'S THOSE TWO 10 SOCCER FIELDS ARE ALREADY FENCED.

CORRECT. AS PER BEING PROPOSED THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING THE FENCE ON THOSE. CORRECT. SO IT'S ALREADY OFF THE FENCE FOR THE TENNIS BEING THE SOCCER FIELD PROPER NOT SO MUCH ADDRESSING THE EASE CONGESTION.

>> BUT YES, THERE COULD BE ENCLOSURE. THOSE ARE PLANNED FOR ARTIFICIAL FIELDS, ARTIFICIAL TURF TO KEEP OBVIOUSLY TRAFFIC FROM VEHICULAR FROM DRIVING ON THE FUTURE OF THE OR THAT ACCESS IS ALREADY CUT OFF BY THIS PROPOSED PLAN.

>> CORRECT. MISSION NUMBER ONE. WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER COMMENT ABOUT MARTIN ROAD BARTON'S RUN THE ROAD THE MAINTENANCE OF THE ROAD.

HOW IS THAT ADDRESSED RIGHT NOW TO THE PLANET EASEMENT? >> IT WAS IN THE COVENANTS FROM THE COUNTY OR FROM THE TOWN I BELIEVE BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF THE PROPERTY CONVEYED AS AN ACCESS EASEMENT TO BARTON'S RUN. I'M NOT SURE ABOUT MAINTENANCE OF THAT. WHO'S RESPONSIBLE? IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO. DO YOU KNOW AT ALL? NO PROBLEM RESEARCH?

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WELL, IT'S ONLY FAIR. >> YEAH. YOU KNOW OTHER LANDS AGREEMENTS BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN WAS PART OF THE SUBMIT OR THE APPLICATION BUT I'M NOT SURE IF

THAT'S COVERED . >> I THINK THAT'S KIND OF A BIG THING IS HE'S TAKING CARE OF THAT ROAD BECAUSE WE NEED TO SHARE THAT. I DO HAVE ONE OTHER OBSERVATION. THE THIS GOLF COURSE DOES NOT FROM WHAT I CAN TELL DOES NOT HAVE ANY PARKING PROPER. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE USING THE TENNIS CENTER'S PARKING FOR THAT. THAT'S CORRECT. I NEED A CROSSWALK.

WE'RE PROVIDING SIDEWALK ACCESS TO THE EXISTING BIKE TRAIL WHICH THEN THE BIKE TRAIL

CROSSES BARTON'S RUN AND THEN A TRAIL BACK TO THE DISC GOLF. >> BUT CERTAINLY LOOK INTO A CROSSWALK AT THAT GRASS. YEAH. LET'S LET'S THINK THAT ONE THROUGH FOR A SECOND BECAUSE IF I GO THERE I'VE GOT A COUPLE TEENAGERS AND I DROPPED THEM OFF IN THE PARKING LOT AND THEY WALK ACROSS I GO ACROSS WITH THEM.

>> I'M NOT GOING TO WALK DOWN TO THE TRAIL OVER. >> SO THERE'S SOME STORM DRAINAGE DITCHES AND THERE IS VERY LIMITED ROOM BETWEEN THE EDGE OF ROADWAY AND MARCUS CROSSING IN THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE FARM. SO CERTAINLY WE CAN EXPLORE THAT THROUGH FURTHER DEVELOPMENT PLANS. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE ANY COMFORT LEVEL FOR THE GENTLEMAN AT THE FARM AND THIS IS IN HIS BACKYARD THE

EXISTING TREE MASS IS THERE. >> CERTAINLY WILL BE REQUIRED FOR CUT OFF LIGHT FIXTURES WHICH PUTS THE LIGHT WHERE YOU WANT IT. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF OVER SPRAY. SO WE'LL CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT .

THERE'S NO THERE'S BARTON CROSSING IS BARTON'S CROSSING THAT'S NOT GOING GONNA CHANGE.

>> SO THERE'S WE WOULD COULD MAYBE SUPPLEMENT SOME PLANTING IN THE PARKING LOT IS GONNA HELP. WE'LL HAVE REQUIRED PLANTINGS IN THEIR TREE ISLANDS AND SO FORTH. I THINK IF WE COULD SUPPLEMENT AND ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE JUST TO HELP MAYBE SOFTEN MOTHER WORKS WE WILL GRASS. I'M SORRY.

I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY ONE OF THE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS ACTUALLY IMPRESSED TO SEE ON THIS IS THERE IS NO LONGER ACCESS TO THE PARK VEHICULAR PLANNED FOR ON WAS AN OLD BRIDGE BUT WAS ONE OF THE ENTRANCES TO THE FARM THAT'S COMPLETELY GONE.

>> THAT WAS DRIVING TRAFFIC GOING UP THERE, RIGHT. >> ONLY A SIDEWALK CONNECTION TO SPUR IMPROVED PEDESTRIANS FROM. YEAH.

OK. YEAH. >> I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT GETTING A LITTLE MORE BACKGROUND ON THE PROGRAM. YOU KNOW WE'VE WE'RE ELIMINATING THAT SPORTS PAVILION WHICH I DON'T EXACTLY KNOW WHAT IT WAS INTENDED TO BE

USED FOR BEFORE. >> BUT I WOULD SOME CLARIFICATION ON HOW THAT'S COMING OUT THAT THE POOL IS BEING REMOVED. WE ONLY HAVE ONE PUBLIC POOL IN BLUFFTON ANYWAY AND SO NOW WE'RE IN LIMIT AND IT'S AN OLD TOWN AREA NOT OUT.

BUT WALTER AND NOW WE'RE ELIMINATING WHAT IS ALREADY AND NEEDED TO BEGIN WITH.

AND IN ALL OF BLUFFTON BUT PARTICULARLY OUT THERE AS WELL .

ADDITIONALLY, THE LOSS OF BASEBALL FIELDS BEING REPLACED WITH SOCCER.

YES. THIS IS WHAT. LET'S START WITH THAT.

SO THE TWO ADDED SOCCER FIELDS ON THE NORTH THAT USED TO BE THREE NEEDED PARKING ADDITIONAL

PARKING. >> SO THAT ELIMINATED THE FIELD PLUS THE LANDMASS THE UPLAND ACRES IF YOU WILL IS NO LONGER THE SAME AS IT WAS BACK. THE ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN WHICH TIES INTO THE REASON WHY THE BASEBALL FIELDS NEEDED TO BE CHANGED AND IT'S NOT ONLY FOR COUNTY IT'S SOCCER FIELDS JUST AS MUCH AS THEY DO BASEBALL FIELDS BUT THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH LANDMASS LEFT TODAY TO PUT BASEBALL FIELDS IN THERE. SO WE'RE STILL MEETING AT BEAUFORT COUNTY INDEED WITH THE SOCCER FIELDS BECAUSE THEY DON'T REQUIRE AS MUCH AS BEFORE COUNTY LOOKING AT AN ALTERNATE LOCATION TO PROVIDE THOSE BASEBALL FIELDS.

>> SO I'M SURE THEY ARE WE'RE DOING A RECREATION NEEDS ASSESSMENT WITH THEM NOW.

SO THAT'S UNDERSTUDY. OUR PROGRAM IS DICTATED BY THE CLIENT COUNTY PARKS AND REC ON WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IF YOU'RE ON THE PLANET AND I BELIEVE THE BASEBALL FIELDS ARE BLUFFTON

YOUTH SPORTS NOW. >> SO IT'S SEPARATE FROM THE COUNTY SO THAT THAT IMPACT OF IT SOME WOULD SAY THAT WAL-MART IS A SEPARATE ORGANIZATION.

>> BLUFFTON SPORTS RUNS THE BASEBALL PROGRAMS IN THE COUNTY OR IN BLUFFTON AND YOU'RE REASONING FIRST AND I'M NOT CLEAR ON THE REASON WHY THAT WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT.

AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S NOT. I'M JUST SAYING I'M MISS

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I'M JUST GETTING IT'S THIS IS A VIEW FOR COUNTY FACILITY VIEW FOR COUNTY RUN PROGRAM SHARE BLUFFTON SPORTS IS A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT RUN DIFFERENT ENTITY .

>> IT'S NOT A PART OF ME FOR COUNTY REC. OK, BUT THAT DOESN'T

NECESSARILY LIMIT ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR THOSE BASEBALL FIELDS. >> BUT OFTEN YOUTH SPORTS WOULD BE BUILDING THE NEW BASEBALL FIELDS WHICH IS GOING TO TAKE AND REDUCE THE NEED FOR THE COUNTY TO BE PROVIDING THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S I DON'T SEE WHY I CAN.

>> I MEAN I JUST IF I PLAYED SOFTBALL I GREW UP PLAYING SOFTBALL.

I DID NOT PLAY SOCCER. SO IF IT WERE ME AND I WAS STILL YOUNG AND I AM STILL SAYING THAT'S THAT'S RUN BY A SEPARATE ORGANIZATION. BUT EVEN WE HAVE A VERY ACTIVE INTRAMURAL WE'VE HAD KICKBALL NOT KICKBALL AND SO AND BASEBALL SOFTBALL AND SO I KNOW THERE'S A HIGH DEMAND. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS EXACTLY.

THIS IS WHY I'M ASKING WHY THE PROGRAM HAS CHANGED. I UNDERSTAND THE WETLANDS DELINEATION AND THAT CAN ELIMINATE THE ABILITY TO PUT IT THERE.

MEANING IT CAN MEAN IT'S JUST BETTER LAND USE, IF YOU WILL BECAUSE OF THAT BECAUSE OF THAT

AND THE SWIMMING POOL SWIMMING POOL. >> WELL, IT WAS ON THE PREVIOUS MASTER PLAN. IT'S BEING TAKEN OUT WITH THIS. THAT'S YES.

THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING FOR MY KYLE WITH LLOYD AND PARTNERS. >> I CAN ATTEMPT TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, KATHLEEN. THE PLAN THAT WAS DONE ORIGINALLY PLANNED FOR A POOL BEAR WITH THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GONE ON AROUND IT. THE DEDICATION TO SOCCER FIELDS AND THE UPSURGE AN INCREASE IN NUMBER OF SOCCER FIELDS. THIS HAS BECOME A FOCUS.

SO THIS AREA IS BEING FOCUSED ON AS A SOCCER FACILITY AND THERE'S NOT ADEQUATE SPACE FOR THE TYPE AND SIZE OF POOL THAT THE COUNTY IS INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING.

PREVIOUSLY IT WAS A SMALL POOL. IF THE COUNTY MOVES FORWARD WITH A POOL THEY BELIEVE THEY'RE HEADED IN THE DIRECTION OF A LARGER A LARGER SCALE POOL WHICH WOULD NOT FIT IN THAT LOCATION WHERE IT WAS PREVIOUSLY. SO IT'S JUST A CHANGE IN THEIR PROGRAM FROM WHEN THE PLAN WAS DONE ORIGINALLY. ARE THEY DOING AS THEY INTEND TO DO IT? YOU MENTIONED THIS IS A SOCCER COMPLEX ESSENTIALLY.

THIS IS TURNING IN TIME TO CONSOLIDATE THIS AS THEIR PREMIER SOCCER FACILITY SERVING THE BLUFFTON GREATER BLOCK AREAS AS OPPOSED TO INTRODUCING OTHER FIELDS.

>> SO THIS WOULD BE BASICALLY A SOCCER AND TENNIS COMPLEX. THE WAY I'M READING THIS NOW VERSUS A GENERAL RECREATION MASTER PLAN AS IT WAS PREVIOUSLY INTENDED, I THINK THE SOCCER FIELDS ARE TO BE CONSIDERED MULTIPURPOSE FIELDS SO IT WON'T BE COMPLETELY PROGRAMED OUT THESE BE IN SOME CASES TREATED ALMOST LIKE MORE LIKE OPEN SPACE THAT YOU COULD

KNOW. >> I MEAN THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE TWO FIELDS THAT THAT REPLACED THE BASEBALL ARE PROPOSED TO BE ARTIFICIAL TURF. SO IN TERMS OF THEM BEING MULTI-PURPOSE I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE PROGRAMED FOR SOCCER AND THEY'LL BE USED PRETTY HEAVILY. SO I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'LL BE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS JUST TO DROP BY AND USE IT FOR PICKUP PICK PICK UP PLAY.

>> BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT THE OTHER MASTER PLAN OFFERED WAS THESE KIND OF OPEN MEADOW AREAS WHICH I WOULD HAVE INTERPRETED KIND OF FOR OPEN RECREATIONAL PLAY WHICH THIS DOES NOT PROVIDE ON THIS PLAN WHICH IS IT'S A LOSS TO THAT TO THIS SITE.

RIGHT. >> IN AS ERIC MENTIONED THE THE LOSS UNFORTUNATELY HAS COME BECAUSE OF THE EXPANSE AND THE EXPANSION OF THE WETLAND AREAS THEY'VE CONSUMED WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY HIGH LAND. SO THERE'S LESS AVAILABLE LAND FOR PARK USE.

ARE THEY DOING PLANNING TO DO TOURNAMENTS BECAUSE SOCCER TOURNAMENTS AND TENNIS TOURNAMENTS HERE? THAT'S THE INTENT. OK, SO WHAT ABOUT PARKING? I'M SORRY. WHAT ABOUT PARKING? DOES IT PARKING ADEQUATELY? WE WE HAVE A TABLE AND IT'S THE TENNIS COURTS FOR COUNTY CDC RECOMMEND OR REQUIRES TWO

SPACES PER COURTS. >> SO THAT'S WHAT WE FOLLOW WITH A TENNIS COURT PLUS ONE

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HAS TO GO WAY OUT. SO THIS WILL BE A LOT CLOSER. >> SO.

ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS I SAW THE 60 FOOT FAIRWAY WHICH FROM MY POOR SKILLS AND DISC GOLF.

>> THIS SEEMS REALLY NARROW. I'M CURIOUS WHERE THAT DESIGNATION WOULD HAVE YOU DETERMINED THAT WITH ONE AND TWO? ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTICED IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S ESSENTIALLY A THERE'S GROUP GOING THIS WAY. THERE'S A GROUP COMING BACK THIS WAY WHICH MEANS YOU'RE THROWING DESKS AT THE OTHER PERSON THAT'S COMING THE OTHER

DIRECTION AND I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT CONFLICT. >> WE FOLLOW THIS GOLF ASSOCIATION PRINCIPLE ALL THE SENSES OF THE FAIRWAYS THE FAIRWAYS THEMSELVES CAN BE ANYWHERE FROM 50 FEET WIDE. SO THERE'S AN OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF EXISTING RULES IN

THERE. >> SO SO YEAH, IT IS THE DUAL IMPACT DEVELOPMENT THAT OF COURSE IS A 60 FOOT WAS THE RECOMMENDED SEPARATE WITHOUT ANYBODY CROSSING THE SIDEWALK, CROSSING THE COURT OR THAT NATURE RESERVE AND THEN RESPECTING BUFFERS AS WELL ALONG FOURTH QUARTER AND AROUND ONE THING THAT I THINK IS UNCLEAR IN THE PLAN.

I KNOW THERE'S I KNOW THERE'S NINE PLACES WHERE THERE'S ACTUALLY HOLES WHERE THERE'S CHAINS BUT IN COUPLE OF PLACES YOU'VE YOU'VE SEEN IT AS AN 18 HOLE AND IT'S REALLY NINE IT'S

REALLY WIDE WITH TWO TEES ON EACH OF THEM. >> SO YEAH, I'D LIKE THAT.

YES, IF COULD BE JUST. YEAH BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE'S USUALLY SHORTER TEES

FOR PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF LANGUAGES THESE BETTER PEOPLE. >> I DON'T KNOW THIS GOLFER.

>> THE OTHER THING AND THIS IS A BIGGER ISSUE TO ME IT'S THAT THERE WAS ONE ON THE PREVIOUS PLAN A LOT BETTER PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS ILLUSTRATED THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

I THINK THERE'S SOME DISCONNECTEDNESS FROM PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS THE WAY THAT I'M LOOKING AT THE PLAN. MAYBE IT'S NOT MAYBE THEY ARE THERE BUT IT'S NOT AS WELL COMMUNICATED AS AND I'M NOT SEEING THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE SITE. YEAH. AND THAT'S WHY I IT'S DROPPED.

OKAY. THE VEHICULAR CONNECTION AS WELL FROM THAT EXISTING LAW

THAT'S ON THAT. >> YES. THE NORTH END.

JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I WAS CORRECT ON THAT TWO THAT SPINE THAT COMES IN THROUGH THAT SOCCER. I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE WHY YOU'VE CUT THAT OFF BECAUSE YOU DON'T FOR PEDESTRIAN SAFETY. IT WOULD BE MY ASSERTION THAT THAT IS A REALLY IMPORTANT PATHWAY AND I THINK IT COULD BE VEHICULAR PATHWAY AND ACCESS. IT WOULD BE MY ASSERTION THAT THAT COULD BE HANDLED IN PARTICULAR IN ITS DESIGN FASHION THAT STILL USING PAVING THAT'S GOT TEXTURE USING BOLLARDS THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CUT OFF FOR WHEN YOU'VE GOT MORE ACTIVE PLAY. BUT CAN WE USE THE REST OF THE TIME WHEN IT'S NOT A TOURNAMENT? SO TO ALLOW THAT CONNECTION BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE LIKE THE NUMBER ELEVEN YOU SEE WHERE THERE'S LIKE TWO DOUBLE ROW OF TREES BETWEEN THE TWO SOCCER FIELDS THAT ARE LABELED AT 18 AND THEN THAT GROUP OF THREE BELOW THERE'S NO DRIVEWAY BETWEEN AND THERE USED TO BE A CONNECTION AND IT WENT TO NORTH OF THE SOCCER FIELDS.

AND THE REASON IT'S NO LONGER THERE IS BECAUSE OF THE WETLANDS AND THE EXISTING RESTAURANT BUILDING. AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A BUILDING BUT I THINK IT CAN BE

SHIFTED TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION. >> THAT'S AN EXISTING BUILDING AND EXISTING HOME THAT'S THEIR BUILDING. THEY'VE CUT THAT OFF.

>> BUT WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT AND WE REVIEW WITH WITH TOWN STAFF THAT WAS A COMMON CONCERN THAT THEY HAD WHICH LED TO ADDITIONAL PARKING TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE VIEW PARKING IN ADDED PARKING TO THE NORTH. THERE IS A OBVIOUSLY CONCERN ESPECIALLY IN THAT AREA WHERE WE DO SEE MORE OPEN PLAY HAPPENING IN THOSE FIELDS TO HAVE A ROADWAY WHICH IS RUNNING AROUND. IF WE WERE TO ADD A ROADWAY. WE WOULD END UP LOSING A SOCCER FIELD TO ALLOW FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. WE LOOKED AT EXISTING DRAINAGE

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WITH THEM. >> I THINK MY CONCERN IS IT CREATES MORE POTENTIAL ISSUES ALONG BACKWATER BECAUSE YOU GOT TO COME IN THERE AND THEN GO BACK OUT AND GO ON THE ROAD JUST SO YOU CAN GO FIND ANOTHER PARKING SPACE IF THAT AREA IS FULL.

ADDITIONALLY, I'D LOVE TO SEE A CONNECTION OVER TO THE BRIDGE ROAD BECAUSE IF YOU'RE COMING OUT OF THE FARM YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE A LEFT RUN BOB. BUT WALTER, JUST TO COME BACK INTO THE BACK WALTER RECREATION. I I I I'M HEARING YOU WELL IN RE DELINEATION MAJOR PROBLEM FOR THE SITE FOR THIS MASTER PLAN AND IT NEEDED AN OVERHAUL.

AND MAYBE YOU DID EXPLORE THAT AND MAYBE IT'S JUST COMPLETELY CUT OFF AND YOU CAN'T DO IT.

>> ACTUALLY HEARD FROM THE FARM THAT THEY WERE AGAINST THAT CONNECTION.

THEY PREFERRED THAT WE DELETE THAT AND SO WE HEARD THAT FOR TRAFFIC CONCERNS ON THE ROAD.

>> OK, I'M GONNA GO FIND THEIR OWN COMMUNITY. >> THIS WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN MY CHOICE BUT I JUST I GET CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS TO BUCK WALTER BY NOT HAVING THAT BECAUSE I JUST I SEE THIS IS THIS IS THERE THIS IS THERE PARK BECAUSE IT'S SO CLOSE KNOW I KNOW THAT OSCAR FRASER INVOLVED IN PARK IS USED BY A LOT BY BLUFFTON PARK AND HAVING THAT AS PEDESTRIAN BUT IT GAVE VEHICULAR CONNECTIONS TO WHAT IS A CINCH.

I MEAN I KNOW IT'S A COMMUNITY PARK BUT IT SERVES US SO MUCH SO TO CUT THAT OFF FIELDS TO HERE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS YOU KNOW WHERE SHE LIVES TO HAVE THE BIKE PATH THERE NOW I SHOULD NOT BE USED EVEN MORE OFTEN AFTER THIS DEVELOPMENT. ALL THOSE VISITS WE ADDED A DRIVEWAY IN SIDEWALK THAT LEADS FROM THE TO ARTIFICIAL TURF SOCCER FIELDS AT THE ROUNDABOUT THERE HEADING NORTH TOWARD THE NEW PARKING LOT AND TO SOCCER FIELD.

>> SO THAT ADDED PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION AND THERE IS PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION FROM THAT

CIRCLE DOWN TOWARDS BACKWATER. >> OK. AND THEN IS THERE PEDESTRIAN IS

THERE A PATHWAY ALONG OLD BRIDGE ROAD THERE? >> IS THAT THE BIKE PATH CROSSES ALL ROAD BUT IT DOESN'T GO INTO THE FRONT? THERE'S NOTHING THAT GOES INTO

THE FARM. >> I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN EXISTING EXIST.

YES, THE FARM IS SILENT ALL THE WAY THROUGH ALL THE WAY THROUGH THERE.

OK, WHICH IS ANOTHER REASON WE'D RATHER SEE KIDS WALKING PROVIDENCE.

>> DID YOU ELIMINATE THE DOG PARK ALSO AND WHAT WAS THE BOOK? CAN YOU SHARE WITH THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND JIM PROGRAM? IT WAS MOVED TO OLD TIME TO WHERE IT IS NOW PEOPLE ON THE FARM POSED IT AND SO THEY MOVED IT DOWN TO PUTNAM PARK.

>> I'M NOT SURE THAT THE ELIMINATES THE NEED. I THINK IT'S GOT KIND OF LIKE A FIVE TO TEN MINUTE RADIUS OF WHEN AT THE IDEAL I THINK RADIUS THERE'S A THERE IS THERE IS AN IDEAL RADIUS FOR ACCESS TO A PARTY. THEY WENT TO DEVELOP IT AND THE FOLKS THAT LIVE IN THE FARM RAISED ARMS AND TORCHES CAME AFTER IT SAID WE DO NOT WANT A DOG PARK THERE AND THAT WAS 15, 20 YEARS AGO SOME 15 YEARS AGO SOME TIME AGO IN THE TOWN HEARD

HIM AND SAID AND THE COUNTY AND SAID LET'S FIND A DIFFERENT. >> IF I MAY.

I'M SORRY TO INTERJECT BECAUSE I KNOW THERE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THIS.

TWO MORE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA AS YOU'LL RECALL. IT'S THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DISCRETION WHETHER TO HEAR ITEMS AFTER 1930. WE ARE APPROACHING THE FOUR

ITEMS THAT ARE REMAINING OR INTERESTING LIKELY. >> SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS AWARE OF THE TIME CONSTRAINTS THAT WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE

AUDIENCE HERE. >> OK, CAN I ENTERTAIN A MOTION THEN WE CAN YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND TO TOWN COUNCIL THE APPROVAL OF THE CHANGE TO THE MASTER PLAN FOR BOTH WALTER RECREATION CENTER AGAIN ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR SAY I.

>> HI. ANY OPPOSED? I DO WANT TO SAY IF YOU MADE COMMENT ON THIS ITEM PLEASE. NO, IT GOES TO COUNCIL NEXT. IT'S NOT DONE.

[VII.5. Cypress Ridge (Master Plan Amendment)]

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DUE TO CYPRUS FRED, REQUEST TO CHANGE THE APPLICANT. >> MICHAEL HUGHES, THOMAS AND HUTTON WITH ARTHUR AUTHORISATION PROPERTY OWNER D.R. HORTON'S INC IS REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE MASTERPLAN FOR CYPRUS BRIDGE LOCATED IN JOHN'S ESTATE PLANNING UNIT DEVELOPMENT. MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE AMENDMENT INCLUDES REVISING THE STREET NETWORK TO SERVE UP TO 29 SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS, ROADS, SERVICE LANES AND WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY DESIGNATED AS A COMMERCIAL AREA OF MILL CREEK.

THIS IS THE EXISTING MASTERPLAN AND I'LL HAVE A COUPLE CLOSE UP SLIDES THAT SHOW THIS BUT HERE'S THE OVERALL EXISTING MASTERPLAN. THIS IS THE PROPOSED MASTERPLAN

. >> THE MASTER PLAN AMENDMENTS SPECIFICS SO TOP LEFT AS EXISTING BOTTOM LEFT IS PROPOSED. THE PURSUANT TO SECTION TO C OF THE JONES ESTATE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT DATED JUNE 21, 2000 THE OWNER AND DEVELOPER SHALL HAVE THE RIGHT CONVERT COMMERCIAL DENSITY TO RESIDENTIAL AT A RATE OF FOR RESIDENTIAL UNITS PER COMMERCIAL ACRE. THE ARROW IS ON THE TOP LEFT AND TOP RIGHT ARE POINTING TO THE COMMERCIAL AREAS THAT ARE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CONVERSION SOME POINT TO FIVE ACRES OF COMMERCIAL SPACE ARE TO BE CONVERTED FOR A TOTAL OF TWENTY NINE RESIDENTIAL UNITS. ANY CONVERTED AREA THAT IS NOT UTILISED FOR THE TWENTY NINE RESIDENT RESIDENTIAL UNITS CAN BE DEDICATED AS OPEN SPACE BASED ON CURRENT LAND PLANS APPROXIMATELY 5.2 ACRES OF PREVIOUSLY PLANNED COMMERCIAL AREA WILL BE DEDICATED AS OPEN SPACE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU LET ME SEE IF I CAN POINT THIS OUT A LITTLE BIT. SO WE THREE COMMERCIAL AREAS HERE THIS IS THE MAIN ENTRANCE IN THE CYPRESS RIDGE THAT'S ROUNDABOUT.

SO THE TOP COP ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ROUNDABOUT THERE ARE TWO COMMERCIAL AREAS AS WELL AS WHEN YOU COME IN THE LARGE COMMERCIAL AREA ON THE LEFT AN ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL AREA IS FURTHER SOUTH ON HIGHWAY SOME 170. SO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS THAT THE TWO ONE ACRE PARCELS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ROUNDABOUT BE CONVERTED TO OPEN SPACE. THIS AREA HERE BE CONVERTED A PORTION OF IT TO OPEN SPACE THAT YOU SEE IN GREEN BUT ALSO A ROAD NETWORK. AND WHAT YOU SEE IN TAN WOULD BE THE TOWNHOUSE RESIDENTIAL UNITS UP TO TWENTY NINE ON THE LEFT.

FURTHER DOWN THE HIGHWAY 170 THERE IS A DOZEN DESIGNATED COMMERCIAL AREA AND THAT WOULD IT'S BEEN PROPOSED THAT THAT BE PUT INTO OPEN SPACE THAT ARROW SHOULD BE RENAMED.

THESE ARE THE EIGHT REVIEW CRITERIA I'VE HIGHLIGHTED FOUR OF THEM HERE WHERE I'LL GO INTO FURTHER DETAIL SECTION 3 9 3 BE PROMOTION OF INCONSISTENCY WITH LAND USE GOALS ENVIRONMENTAL OBJECTIVES AND OVERALL INTENT OF THE POLICIES WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

>> THE FINDING IS THAT THE APPLICANT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND USE ELEMENT WITH WITHIN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROVIDE THE VISION THAT SUGGESTS A BALANCE OF LAND USE IS TO ENSURE A HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY ENVIRONMENTALLY PROTECTED AREAS AND PROPER PLACEMENT OF COMMERCIAL USES. THIS AMENDED MASTER PLAN PROPOSES A REDUCTION IN AREA ORIGINALLY IDENTIFIED AND PROMOTED AS COMMERCIAL VILLAGE USES THAT WILL SERVE THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY, STIMULATE ECONOMIC GROWTH AND CONTRIBUTE

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CONSISTENCY WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THE ASSOCIATED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND OR HUD CONCEPT PLAN FINDING IS THE PROPOSED MASTERPLAN IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THE JONES ESTATE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AS AMENDED AND THE CYPRESS RIDGE PD MASTER PLAN AS AMENDED WHILE THE CONVERSION OF COMMERCIAL DENSITY TO RESIDENTIAL UNITS IS ALLOWED UNDER SECTION 2 C OF THE JONES ESTATE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. THIS CONVERSION OF LAND USE FURTHER LIMITS THE COMMERCIAL OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE IN AN AREA OF THE CYPRESS BRIDGE PND MASTERPLAN CHARACTERIZED AS THE COMMERCIAL VILLAGE THAT REPRESENTS THE HEART OF THE COMMUNITY. YES, THIS IS A BIGGER SLIDE WITH MORE WORDS ON THE REVIEW CRITERIA 5 SECTION 3 9 3 F THE ABILITY TO BE SERVED BY ADEQUATE PUBLIC SERVICES INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO WATER SANITARY SEWER ROADS, POLICE, FIRE AND SCHOOL SERVICES FOR DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON INFRASTRUCTURE AND SERVICES. THE APPLICANT SHALL BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE AN ANALYSIS AND MITIGATION OF THE IMPACT ON TRANSPORTATION, UTILITIES AND COMMUNITY SERVICES.

FINDING IS THAT THE PROPERTY MAY NOT MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BE SERVED BY ADEQUATE PUBLIC SERVICES SINCE PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED ANALYSIS AND MITIGATION MEASURES ON THE IMPACT ON TRANSPORTATION, UTILITIES AND COMMUNITY SERVICES WITHIN THE GEORGIA STATE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND CONCEPT PLAN HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED TO REFLECT CONDITIONS PROPOSED WITH THIS MASTERPLAN AMENDMENT. MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE PROPOSED MASTERPLAN IS IN AN EXISTING PART WHERE MUCH OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE INCLUDING ROADWAYS SEWER SOLID WASTE DRAINAGE, POTABLE WATER, ELECTRICITY, TELEPHONE AND CABLE HAVE BEEN CONTEMPLATED DURING THE CREATION OF THE PUB .

HOWEVER, AN UPDATE TO THE MOST RECENTLY PREPARED AND SUBMITTED TRANCE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT ANALYSIS WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE SEMINAL TOWN. RECORDS INDICATE THAT THE MOST RECENTLY SUBMITTED TVA OR CYPRESS ROAD FOR US PREPARED FOR THE APPLICANT AND DATED APRIL 12TH 2017 IS DESIRE INCLUDED 20 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL AREA EQUATING TO ROUGHLY A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF RELEASABLE SPACE WITHIN CYPRESS RIDGE TO BE CLASSIFIED AS GENERAL SHOPPING CENTER FOR TRIP GENERATION PURPOSES. THE CIA ADJUSTED TOTAL FOR ITS GENERATED BY ASSUMING THAT 13 PERCENT INTERNAL CAPTURE OF RETAIL TRIPS DURING P.M PEAK HOUR. THE CURRENTLY PROPOSED AND PREVIOUSLY APPROVED CONVERSIONS OF COMMERCIALLY AREA TO RESIDENTIAL UNITS CONTRADICT THE TRIP GENERATION INTERNAL CAPTURE ASSUMPTIONS INCLUDED IN THAT 2017 CIA WARRANTING AN UPDATE TO THE CIA DOCUMENT PRE APPLICATION MEDIUM IN APRIL OF 2022 APPLICATION CHECKING MEETING WITH APRIL 19 2022.

>> REVIEW BY THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE WAS ON MAY 25TH.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION COME INTO PLANNING COMMISSION IS TODAY JULY 27 AND THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TOWN COUNCIL CONSIDERATION FOR MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT APPROVAL AND TO BE DETERMINED PLANNING COMMISSION ACTIONS OR RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS OR RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE APPLICATION BY THE APPLICANT.

>> THE TOWN STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL TOWNS THAT FINDS THAT FOUR OF THE EIGHT REVIEW CRITERIA REQUIREMENTS SECTION 3 9 3 OF THE YUDHOYONO HAVE NOT BEEN MET AND RECOMMENDS THAT PLANNING COMMISSION PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL TO TOWN COUNCIL FOR THE CYPRESS RIDGE MASTERPLAN AMENDMENT AND OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS.

THINK WHAT THE APPLICANT SPEAK. MR HUGHES JOB IS JUST A FEW MONTHS ONE CIRCUIT HERE.

YOU LOOK AT THE SCREEN THE CHANGE ON THIS VERY DAY WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS ON

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>> WHAT I PULLED IT WAS FROM THE 2007 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHICH IDENTIFIES THE AREAS WHERE THE PLANNED ASSERTS WHERE COMMERCIAL DENSITY SHOULD BE, WHERE VILLAGES SHOULD BE AND THEY'RE COLOR CODED. I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO READ BUT YOU CAN SEE NEW RIVERSIDE VILLAGE AND MAJOR CROSSINGS LOCATED HERE. THIS IS THE BLUFFTON PARKWAY INTERSECTION WITH 170 AND THIS IS THE LOWER END OF GIVE IT WHICH IS CONSIDERED A HAMLET.

AS YOU CAN SEE WHERE OUR ENTRANCE IS LOCATED, IT IS NOT DESIGNATED AS A COMMERCIAL DESTINATION OR VILLAGE. SO NO ONE. WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE TOWN AND THAT'S 22 2007. UPDATED 2014.

THE NEXT IS THE JONES SAY BEAUTY. SO SAYING WE'RE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE JONESES SAY PD I WOULD ALSO DISAGREE. SO THE COLOR CODING FOR THIS AS WELL SHOWS THIS AS PLANS TRACK RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. WE HAD MIXED PLAN TRACT COMMUNITY ON THE OTHER SIDE WHERE CHURCH IS LOCATED AND WE HAD A PETITION THIS EVENING FOR THE PICKUP BALL IN THIS AREA. WE'VE ALSO GOT AGAIN MAY RIVER CROSSING IS LOCATED DOWN IN THIS REGION AND ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ROAD ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL THAT'S LOCATED FOR NEW RIVERSIDE VILLAGE. SO AGAIN I WOULD SAY I BELIEVE WE ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE PDB . THE THIRD ONE WAS MENTIONING THAT WE'RE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE CONCEPT OR THE MASTER PLAN. WE'RE HERE TO AMEND THE MASTER PLAN. SO THE REASON WE'RE HERE IS TO ACTUALLY GO THROUGH AND SAY WE THINK THIS IS A MORE APPROPRIATE USE FOR THE CYPRESS RIDGE MASTER PLANNED AREA AND WE SUBMITTED DOWN. WHEN I SAY I'LL JUST SKIP PAST THAT FOR A MINUTE ALL THE WAY TO THE BOTTOM. WE DID SUBMIT A SPECIFIC PLAN FOR WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO ON HERE AND THESE ARE THE TWO PARCELS AND THESE ARE THE TOWNHOMES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. IT'S A SINGLE STREET THAT'S CONNECTING THROUGH CONNECTING UP THE OAK BARREL AND THEN WE'RE LANE FED TO TRY TO KEEP DRIVEWAY TRAFFIC HALF OF BOTH BARREL AND ALSO HALF OF MILITARY BOULEVARD. SO THESE ARE TWENTY NINE TOWNHOMES FRONT LOADED. WE DID A TREE SURVEY TO ASSERT TO MAKE SURE WE WERE AVOIDING ANY TREES AND THE INTENT REALLY IS TO LIMIT TRAFFIC BY TAKING MUCH OF THE TRAFFIC THAT WE ARE CREATING RIDING IT TO THE STREET THAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND ROUTING IT BACK TO MILL CREEK BOULEVARD. NOW THE OTHER THING THAT WAS MENTIONED WAS THE TRAFFIC STUDY. AND THIS IS A SECTION OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT TALKS ABOUT COMMERCIAL. AND IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT THE REDUCTION FOR INTERNAL CAPTURE . SO 110 TRIPS WERE COUNTED AS INTERNAL CAPTURE THAT GO AGAINST WHAT WOULD NORMALLY HAVE BEEN RESIDENTS LEAVING TO ANOTHER COMMERCIAL FACILITY AND THEN COMING BACK HOME. IN THIS INSTANCE THAT GAVE A CREDIT OF 110 TRIP COUNTS THAT WOULD BE REMOVED BUT THE TOTAL RETAIL TRIP COUNTS PROPOSE IN THE PEAK TIME FOR RETURNING IS TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY SEVEN FOR THE RETAIL CENTER. RIGHT.

SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT UPS AND IF YOU SUBTRACT OUT YOU'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT A TOTAL OF FORTY SEVEN TRIP COUNTS CAUSED BY THE REASON IF YOU USE I.T. CHIP GENERATION WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY SEVEN TRIPS PER DAY FOR ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY YOU ACTUALLY END UP WITH A PEAK TRIP COUNT OF TEN CAUSED BY THE TOWNHOMES. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT A NET REDUCTION OF A HUNDRED AND THIRTY SEVEN TRIPS AT PEAK HOUR.

SO AS REGARDS THE TRAFFIC WE ARE ACTUALLY TREMENDOUSLY REDUCING THE TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BE GENERATED FROM A COMMERCIAL BUILDING. I WOULD SAY THAT I THINK ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET IS A LITTLE HIGH. I WOULD EVEN SAY THAT THIS MAY ONLY BE AT BEST 50000 SQUARE FEET BUT STILL EVEN IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THAT STANDPOINT ONE

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THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN HERE. THIS IS REALLY THE LAST SPACE. HORTON IS ABOUT FINISHED WITH CYPRESS RIDGE. THERE ARE NO MORE HOMES BEING BUILT THIS THERE ARE NO MORE PHASES AND THESE COMMERCIAL PARCELS HAVE BEEN HERE FOR 15 YEAR THINGS BUILT THE REDWOOD WAS BUILT TO SERVE THESE AREAS NEW JORDAN IN FACT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE THEIR OFFICE OVER HERE. THEY FELT MORE COMFORTABLE BUILDING THEIR OFFICE ON THE TWO POINT THREE ACRES THAT ARE LOCATED HALSTON LANDING. SO REALLY WE'VE HAD THREE COMMERCIAL PARCELS THAT HAVE ESSENTIALLY BEEN LEFT UNDEVELOPED.

THEY HAD A FEW PEOPLE COME IN BUT I DON'T THINK THEY WERE APPROPRIATE USES FOR THIS SITE.

WE STILL HAVE ONE LOCATION HERE THAT WILL REMAIN COMMERCIAL. I BELIEVE IT IS UNDER CONTRACT AND I THINK IT'S AN APPROPRIATE USE FOR THAT SITE. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS THAT IT HAS BEEN SO LONG RIGHT NOW WITH MAIN RIVER CROSSING HAVING JUST GETTING OFF THE GROUND. THERE'S AVAILABLE SPACE THERE. YOU'VE GOT NEW RIVERSIDE VILLAGE WITH A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING LEASED UP.

I JUST I THINK THE MOST THE BEST USE OF THE SITE WOULD BE THE TOWNHOMES.

IT WOULD BE ENTIRELY RESIDENTIAL OTHER THAN THE MINOR SERVICES OFFICE ON THE OTHER END AND THEN THIS SITE HERE. SO AGAIN I FEEL LIKE WE'VE ADDRESSED ALL FOUR ITEMS THAT WERE RAISED WITH REGARD TO WHY WE WOULD BE RECOMMENDED FOR DENIAL HOPING CLARIFIED THAT THAT IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER.

>> BUT I DO FEEL AGAIN IF YOU LOOK AT THE OPPORTUNITY IS LEAVING THESE IS UNDEVELOPED IT ADDS TO A HUNDRED FIFTY FOOT BUFFER THERE WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE ON THE FRONT END INSTEAD 60 FOOT BUFFER WHICH IS CURRENTLY ON 174 COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. SO I'LL JUST LEAVE IT OPEN FOR QUESTIONS BUT I REALLY DO THINK THIS IS THE BEST USE FOR THIS PROPERTY.

I THINK IT'S THE LOWEST IMPACT . I THINK IT'S THE LESS THIS IMPACT ON TRAFFIC AND ULTIMATELY YOU KNOW, THE FOLKS THAT ARE SEEM TO BE INTERESTED IN THIS PROPERTY ARE NOT ONES THAT WOULD BE THE MOST I WOULD SAY ONES THAT WE WOULD WANT TO SEE COME TO THIS COMMUNITY. WOULD YOU PUT YOUR RESPONSES BACK ON THE REBUTTALS ONE OR AND THEN IF DAN YOU CAN HELP CLARIFY WHAT THAT YOUR OH I'M SORRY.

>> YEAH. JUST SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND CAUSE YOU'RE SAYING ONE THING AND THEY'RE SAYING ANOTHER WE CAN HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CLARITY.

>> DO YOU WANT TO QUICKLY POINT OUT TO BLACK AND WHITE GRAPHICS GRAPHIC OUR SHOW ONE IS THE TOWNHOUSE LAYOUT WANTED A COMMERCIAL LAYOUT AND THOSE WEREN'T SUBMITTED AS PART

OF THE ORIGINAL MIDDLETOWN STEP HADN'T READ THEM OR ANYTHING. >> SO HE AND HE DID PROVIDE TODAY COMPARED TO MEETING IT IS A SUM THAT JUST CAME UP NOW. TOWNHOME ONE WAS AND I THINK WE WORKED WITH SOUTH BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL LAYOUT GOT SOME LIGHTBULBS AND THEY REQUIRED US TO GET THREE INCHES ACROSS THE SURVEY PUT THE MULTIPLE THAT WHERE IT SHOWED THE COMMERCIAL THAT WAS BUILT FROM THE 2007 PLAN AND PUT ON IT FOR REFERENCE.

SO THAT WAS NOT PRESENTED TO THE CELESTIAL SAYING THAT YOU SHOULDN'T BASE YOUR RECOMMENDATION OFF OF THOSE CLOSE TO. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WHOEVER'S IN FOR MEETINGS WITH MY TACKING RIGHT BECAUSE WE'RE HEARING THAT.

>> SO DO YOU WANT TO BRING UP TO THE POINTS OF WHERE? I MEAN THIS IS FROM THE

COMPREHENSIVE PLAN I CAN. >> WITHOUT REREADING LOVE YOU KEEP YOURS LOOK.

YEAH. KEEP YOUR HEAD UP SO WE CAN KIND OF WHAT ARE SAYING VERSUS WHAT YOU'RE I THINK I THINK IT'S APPLES AND ORANGES ON THE FIRST ONE THE TOWN'S TALKING ABOUT HOW TOWN STAFF IS TALKING ABOUT HOW THE CYPRESS RIDGE ORIGINALLY MILL CREEK WAS

SUPPOSED TO BE MULTI-YEAR. >> SO REMEMBER HANK TALKING ABOUT IT JOSH HAS SO ON IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL TOGETHER WHEREAS YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE COMP PLAN WHICH WAS IDENTIFYING GENERAL AREAS. WE'RE TALKING MORE SPECIFIC IN THAT YOU'RE TALKING MORE GENERAL. WELL, I WOULD SAY THAT BE THE THIRD COMMENT. FIRST ONE WAS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THIS IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO THE BOX ON THIS ONE BECAUSE THERE WERE FOUR CRITERIA THAT WE EITHER WEREN'T CONSISTENT OR WASN'T SURE. THE FOURTH ONE IS WASN'T SURE BECAUSE IT'S BASED ON THAT WAS AN UPDATED THE FIRST ONE HAD TO DO THE APPLICATION IS NOT CONSISTENTLY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND OUR FINDING WAS THAT THAT THAT THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT AN INVASION OF A COMMERCIAL VILLAGE UPFRONT AND THAT OVER TIME THIS COMMERCIAL VILLAGE HAS BEEN WHITTLED AWAY SO IN THE LAND USE ELEMENT OF A

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LAND DEVELOPMENT. SO YOU'RE LIKE THE WORD USED IN COMMERCIAL THAT GOES AGAINST WHAT IS INCLUDED IN THE LAND USE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE WHAT I WOULD SAY WE HAVE COMMERCIAL ACROSS THE STREET. RIGHT. I MEAN WE JUST HAD PETITION FOR THAT. I'D GIVE IT THERE'S COMMERCIAL. AND YEAH I MEAN A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET INTO RIVERSIDE VILLAGE PLUS THE PUBLIC AND OUR PASSES WITH CURRENTLY VACANT THAT THE MAIN RIVER CROSSING IS ONE MILE FROM THERE.

SO WHEN IT'S GOT A 10 FOOT MULTI USE TRAIL THAT CAN ACTUALLY LEAD YOU FROM THAT SITE TO THAT FACILITY WITHIN THE JONES ESTATE MEETING AND MANAGING IF I MAY JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE A NUMBER OF MEMBERS THE PUBLIC AREA IT MAY NOT BE AS FAMILIAR WITH CONFERENCE PLANS AS YOURS CHILDREN DISCUSSING THEM FOR WEEK, WEEKS AND WEEKS AND WEEKS AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE REVIEW OF OUR CONFERENCE AND PLAN OF OBVIOUSLY THAT IS LENGTHY DOCUMENT THAT FOCUSES ON A NUMBER OF KEY ELEMENTS OF A STATE STATUTE AND WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT IS A HIDDEN ASPECT OF THE GROWTH FRAMEWORK MAP WHICH IS AGAIN JUST AS A PART OF IT. SO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC WHO ARE SITTING HERE PATIENTLY AND EVERYBODY THEY'VE BEEN WATCHING IS AWARE OF THE DIFFERENCES AND IT'S REALLY THAT I MEAN TO THAT POINT THIS IS IDENTIFYING HAMLETS AND VILLAGES AND JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT IDENTIFIED AS AN AREA AS A HAMLET OR VILLAGE DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT WOULD NOT HAVE COMMERCIAL THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR A TOWN OF BLUFFTON DOES IDENTIFY THIS AS COMMERCIAL AS DOES THE 2014 CAN'T PLAN FOR B FOR COUNTY.

SO IT'S STILL INTENDED TO BE COMMERCIAL. SO SERVING COMMERCIAL NEEDS AS FAR AS THE COMPLAINT IS CONCERNED FOR OUR TOWN COMPLAINANT AND THE COUNTY COMP PLAN. THANK YOU. WE WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT IN THE SECOND CRITERIA IS ASKING THAT ARE NOT SEEING THE JONESES SAY YES.

THE CONSISTENCY WITH INTENT OF THE DISTRICT AS DESCRIBED IN THIS AUDIENCE OUR FINDING WAS IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON ON DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AUDIENCE AND PRICES JUMPED THE STATE CONCEPT PLAN AND JUMPED STATE CONCEPT PLAN WAS DESIGNED TO BE A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT WHICH INCLUDES RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL USES. HOWEVER, THE CYPRUS RICH MASTER PLAN IS NOT MEETING THE EXISTING INTENT AS ALMOST ALL OF THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THE MASTER. THEN THAT BRINGS US TO THIS MAP

. WHAT IS THIS? >> BASICALLY THE USE MAP FOR THE BEAUTY YOU WOULD SEE IS CORRECTLY JOINED WAS INTENDED TO HAVE A MIXED USE COMMUNITY BUT IT'S LOCATED SPECIFICALLY WHERE THE CLAIMS WERE IDENTIFIED AS BEING CLAIMING TRACK RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH HAVING COMMERCIAL WITHIN THAT BUT I WOULD NOT SAY THAT IT'S ON MY LIST OF THINGS. THE MAP ASSOCIATED WITH BEAUTY . THE GIST THAT THE BIG TEN, THE ORIGINAL CYPRESS AND MASTERPLAN PLAN WITH CYPRUS RICH MASTER BANK CAME IN. THE INTENT WAS NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL UPFRONT THAT YOU HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF RESIDENCES THAT BOUGHT INTO THE SORT OF NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL BEING AT THEIR FRONT DOOR.

OH ALL THOSE FOLKS LIVE THERE NOW. I HAVE WATCHED THIS ONE THE WAY TURNED RESIDENTIAL ACROSS THE. THAT DOESN'T MEAN DID NOT WANT COMMERCIAL UPFRONT BUT THEY DEFINITELY BOUGHT INTO IT IF THEY WERE AWARE WHAT WAS WHAT WAS PROPOSED WITHIN THE ORIGINAL PLAN. AND THAT'S INSIGHT INTO THE HISTORY OF THAT ACTUAL MASTER PLAN. AND AGAIN THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TO I THE MATTER.

YES. I DON'T THINK SYSTEM ANYMORE WITH THE.

YOU KNOW, IT REFERENCES A PLACE TO PICK UP A PAPER AND DRINK A CUP OF COFFEE.

PAPER. SO AGAIN, WE'RE A LONG WAYS FROM 2004.

BECAME SO HEALTHY. I AGREE. BUT I MEAN WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE CORNER RIGHT. THIS IS NOT PROMINENT. IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE ME OR

STARBUCKS. >> WE'RE GOING TO GET A PROMINENT.

NO ONE'S GOING TO BE THE PROMINENT I LOVE THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE WITHOUT PRECEDENT. BUT THEY HAVEN'T YOU THERE. YEAH.

SO AGAIN, I THINK CONTEXTUALLY THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THE INTENT IN THE DESIGN WAS TO BE

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I MEAN IF YOU REALLY LOOK AT IT ,THEY TALK ABOUT THE SAVANNAH SQUARE THAT WAS THE MEAN THAT WAS THE MODEL PARK, RIGHT? I MEAN IT WAS NEVER FULLY I THINK WAS A GREAT IDEA.

I JUST DON'T THINK IT EVER CAME OPERATION AND WE'VE SEEN THAT FROM THE MARKET.

THE PEOPLE THAT WANT THIS COMMERCIAL OR NOT, I THINK THAT APPROPRIATE FOR WHAT WE WOULD

LIKE TO COMMUNITY ENDING UP WITH THE FOURTH POINT. >> BUT THE THIRD ONE WAS WE'VE KIND OF ADDRESSED IT AT LEAST ALONG THE EDGES WAS A MASTER PLAN.

IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH VISIONS OF JUMP TO STATE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AS AMENDED AT THE CYPRESS BRIDGE AS THE PLAN AS AMENDED OUR SAME ARGUMENT WAS WAS THAT THIS HAS BEEN PORTRAYED AS A COMMERCIAL VILLAGE THAT REPRESENTS THE HEART OF THE COMMUNITY AND THAT LIVES IN THE COMMERCIAL IN. IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE ORIGINAL MASTERPLAN AND OBVIOUSLY AN APPLICANT SAYING THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TO MASTER PLAN.

SAYING THAT THE PARTICULAR USES HAVE EVOLVED OVER TIME WHILE THE OTHER THING I'LL SAY IS

THAT AND THAT'S THE TEXT LANGUAGE. >> THE OTHER THING IS WE ARE ADDING STREETS RIGHT. SO RESIDENTIAL IS ALLOWED WITHIN THE COMMERCIAL AREA.

IT'S ALLOWED USE ONE OF THE CRITERIA THAT PUT YOU BACK TO A MAJOR AMENDMENT MASTER PLAN IS IF YOU ADD A NETWORK CHANGE IN THE STREET NETWORK WE ARE ADDING A STREET AND THEREFORE THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. SO TECHNICALLY WE CAN PUT RESIDENTIAL WITHIN THE COMMERCIAL AREA. IT'S IT'S MORE THE FRAMEWORK OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AND I DO THINK WE'RE TRYING TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY. SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU COULD BUILD THAT RESIDENTIAL TOMORROW IF YOU AREN'T CHANGING THE STREET LOADERS, SO TO SPEAK WITH THAT? NOT WITH THE SERVICE BUT WE DON'T WANT WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE DRIVEWAYS CUT ACROSS ALL THE WAY IN FRONT OF US COMMERCIAL AREAS WHERE IT'S AT NOW OR DOWN BARREL AND YOU GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN MAP OR YOU CAN KIND OF POINT THAT OUT LIKE WHERE IT BE AND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THE CONNECTION WOULD CONTEXT THE TOWNHOMES THAT ARE BEING DONE ARE ARE THE SAME PRODUCT THAT THEY'VE JUST DONE IN THEIR PHASE 19 WHICH IS FACING THE LAGOONS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF PEOPLE OF OUR WOULD YOU WANT TO SEE THE GRASSHOPPER JUST SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GO WHAT MIKE WAS SAYING HOW WHAT COULD BE RESIDENTIAL WITHOUT THAT ROAD AND HOW THAT CONNECTION WOULD BE THAT'S

FRONT LOADING. >> SO WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF THE HONOR THAT YOU PUT SETBACK THAT'S REQUIRED ALONG THE FRONT. IT'S FOR RESIDENTIAL BUT THAT TAKES YOU TO ABOUT RIGHT HERE. SO WE'RE A FRONT LOAD SIMILAR TO THE PRODUCT IT MAPS THE PRODUCT THAT'S GOING ON OVER HERE ALREADY THERE YOU CAN RUN THOSE TOWNHOMES FRONT LOADER GO WRONG BARREL DRIVE AND THEN YOU COULD ALSO HAVE THEM FACE THAT LOCATION THAT LOCATION WITHIN ARGOS CIRCLE WE REALLY FEEL CONTEXTUALLY IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO GO WITH THE PRODUCT THAT WAS DONE OVER HERE WHERE CLEAN BED AND EVEN FROM TRAFFIC CIRCULATION YOU HAVE ONE STREET OR FUNNEL MOST PEOPLE IN AND OUT AND THEY WANT YOU HAVE TO ALSO.

THAT'S WHY I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY FOR EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND THAT IF WE DIDN'T CHANGE IT RIGHT NOW YOU COULD STILL GO IN THERE TODAY PUT A PRODUCT IN THERE THAT'S

RESIDENTIAL IF WE DID THE ADMIN IS ALWAYS FOUND. >> YEAH.

THE AMENDMENT THEN THE REASON WHY WE'D HAVE TO DO THAT TODAY THE PRODUCT COULD BE ACCESS TO DIFFERENTLY YOU MIGHT WHEN YOU MODIFIED THAT HITTING THE STREETS WHICH CHANGES THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS IF IT WASN'T FOR THE STREET WE WOULDN'T BE HERE NOW I WOULD PROBABLY STILL COME BACK FOR THAT AGREES WITH THAT SO YES YES I'M PRETTY SURE THAT THE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL AND THE RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT IS REFERRED TO JUST COULDN'T HAVE THE TOWNHOMES WITHOUT ALLEYWAYS AND THAT TRIGGERED THE MASTERPLAN AMENDMENT.

SHORTEN YOUR ROAD NETWORK I THINK. >> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR

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OH I'M SORRY THAT MICHAEL DOLAN 214 ARGOS CIRCLE SO WE BOUGHT THE OLD SALES CENTER D.R.

HORTON'S SALES CENTER RIGHT ON ON ARGO CIRCLE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT D.R. HORTON IS A FOR PROFIT COMPANY REALLY ,REALLY URGE THE COMMISSION TO LIMIT THE IMPACT.

IT'S CYPRUS RIDGE. MILL CREEK IS ALREADY OVERBUILT.

DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MENZIES OR THE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE AND I'M VERY CONCERNED THAT D.R. HORTON IS GOING TO BUILD OUT. THEY'RE ALREADY PRETTY MUCH DONE PUTTING IN HOUSES AND THEN THEY'RE GONE. THEY'RE GOING TO LEAVE WITH EVERYTHING. AND SO MY CONCERNS IS THAT WITH ALL WITH ALL THIS BUILDING THAT WE'RE JUST GOING TO GET STUCK WITH THE D.R. HORTON CONTROLLED AGE AWAY THAT IS NOT RESPONSIVE TO THE RESIDENTS AND WE'RE PRETTY FRUSTRATED WITH THAT. SO THE THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT I DON'T LOVE I DON'T LOVE THE RESIDENTIAL ASPECT. I DON'T LOVE HAVING TOWNHOMES HOMES FACING WHERE WE LIVE. BUT THAT'S THE NATURE OF THE OF THE MASTER PLAN I GUESS.

BUT I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU REALLY CONSIDER THE IMPACT OF THE OVERBUILD AND WHATEVER D.R. HORTON CAN DO TO MINIMIZE OR TO MAXIMIZE WHAT WOULD WHAT IT CAN'T BE DONE WITH THE AMENITIES. WE JUST ASK THAT TO BE CONSIDERED.

THANK YOU CHRISTOPHER BATH, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD CHRIS WERE ALL PART OF 5 8 7 WHOLESALE LENDING ROAD. I WAS GLAD TO HEAR THE TOP RECOMMENDATIONS. WE AS A COMMUNITY AND BUILDING ON THE IDEA WE GOT AN EMAIL YESTERDAY AT ELEVEN O'CLOCK WITH THE COMPLETELY WRONG PLOT NUMBERS AND TAX I.D. NUMBERS ALONG WITH A MAP THAT MADE A SECOND GRADER PROUD. MAYBE WE HAD ACTUALLY NO IDEA I WAS GOING ON SO THIS MORNING WHEN I GOT INTO YOUR PACKET TO SEE HOW MANY SLIDES 15 SLIDES TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON. SO HAVING SAID THAT THIS IS LAZY.

THIS IS FLAT OUT LAZY MEDIA. THEY SAY THEY CAN'T GET COMMERCIAL.

I KNOW PULTE RIGHT UP THE ROAD ON 170 DECIDED THAT THEY WANTED TO DO WORKFORCE HOUSING THERE AS A WHOLE BIG MEETING AND THEY'RE ABLE TO DO A MIXED USE WITH WORKFORCE HOUSING.

THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING WORKFORCE HOUSING OR TEACHERS, NURSES AND OTHER THINGS ALONG WITH SOME SMALL COMMERCIAL ICE CREAM SHOP RESTAURANT WHATEVER YOU WANT TO PUT IN THERE.

IF THEY ACTUALLY HAD A VISION OTHER THAN JUST MAKING PROFIT OFF TOWNHOMES AND AND IT'S SAD BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT CYPRESS WHICH MEANS BUILDING OFF OF THAT YOU KNOW I'M NOT TAKING MY KIDS ACROSS 170 TO GO TO COMMERCIAL LOTS ACROSS STRIP MALLS ARE ALSO THE WRONG ANSWER . NOBODY IS GOING TO STRIP MALLS ANYMORE.

TO BE QUITE FRANK, UNLESS YOU'RE SURROUNDED BY A GROCERY STORE WE DRIVE QUALITY OF LIFE . YOU KNOW THE CLOSEST ACTUAL RESTAURANTS BOOK WALTER AND ALL THAT DEVELOPMENT UP IN THERE. WE HAVE ONE PLACE THAT DELIVERS TO US WHICH IS PAPA JOHN'S AND IT TAKES AN HOUR AND SO HAVING ALL OF THAT TOGETHER. I FIND IT EXTREME REALLY HARD TO BELIEVE THAT NO BUSINESS IS WILLING TO GO INTO THAT CORNER AND DOING SOMETHING MORE CREATIVE. AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH ONE HUNDRED POINT FOUR PERCENT GROWTH IN BLUFFTON OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS AND THE GREEN SPACE TAX POSSIBLY COMING IN FROM THE COUNTY AND OTHER THINGS THE DEVELOPERS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GET MORE CREATIVE ON HOW TO MAXIMIZE THE PEOPLE AND COMMERCIAL IN SPACES THAT A LOOK GOOD.

JUST LIKE DOWNTOWN BLUFFTON IS BECOMING MORE OF THE HAMLET OF BLUFFTON.

WHOEVER YOU AND YET STILL MEETING THE COMMUNITY NEEDS LEAVING GREECE THINKING SALLY HENDERSON HAVE GETTING DOUBLE PAID FOR THIS AMOUNT OF TIME. BUT FIRST I WANT TO THINK IS DAN, HOW ARE YOU DAN FRAZIER? I ALSO RECEIVED FROM THE D.R. HORTON A POINT YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADAM SORRY. MY NAME IS SALLY HENDERSON. I LIVE ON 211 WOODEN WHEEL.

OKAY. AND WHICH IS BIGGER THAN THE WHEN YOU'RE SPEAKING.

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>> THANK YOU. AND I HAD A VERY HARD TIME HEARING MIKE.

SO ON THE RECORDING MAYBE I'LL BE ABLE TO HEAR HIM AT THAT POINT.

I LIVE ON WOODEN WHEEL WHICH IS DIRECTLY THE ROAD THAT IS GOING TO BE EXTENDED INTO THE NEW PROPOSED TOWNHOMES. SO OF COURSE MY MAIN CONCERN IS THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ON ON WOODEN WHEEL ONE OF JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS SINCE I'M LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.

ONE IS IF I REVIEW THE AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL SEVEN POINT TWO FIVE DEDUCT THE AMOUNT OF 5.2 THAT'S PROPOSED AS A OPEN SPACE. THAT LEAVES 2.0 FIVE ACRES TIMES THE FOUR UNITS ALLOWED PER ACRE WOULD BE CLOSER TO EIGHT UNITS NOT THE TWENTY NINE PROPOSED. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IF YOU ALL HAVE DRIVEN THROUGH THE THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ENTRY WAY WHERE ARE THE CONDOS ARE CURRENTLY BEING COMPLETED BUT THE DENSITY THERE IS HORRIFIC. THAT SAME DENSITY IT APPEARS IS BEING PROPOSED FOR THE THIS COMMERCIAL SITE. I WOULD JUST ASK THAT THE DENSITY IF IF I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM SPECIFICALLY WITH COMMERCIAL BEING SWITCHED WITH RESIDENTIAL BUT THAT DENSITY IS

IS IS EXTREMELY HIGH. >> THE ONLY WOODEN IN SPACE WE HAVE LEFT IS THAT BUFFER.

SO WHEN YOU TAKE AWAY THAT SPACE AND CRAM MORE UNITS I'D JUST BE CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT THEN THE TOTAL UNITS ARE FOR THE SUBDIVISION AND IS THAT ALLOWED WITHIN THE ORIGINAL PLAN? HOW MANY ACRES WILL REMAIN AS COMMERCIAL IF THE AMENDMENT IS

APPROVED? >> SO NO COMMERCIAL. OK.

OK. OK. AND THEN ADD A MINIMUM IF YOU ALL DECIDE TO APPROVE THIS REQUEST. I WOULD ASK THAT THE DESIGN BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S ON THE CURRENT SIDE OF ON WOODEN WHEEL ON CORN MILL.

IT'S A IT'S A VERY IT'S IT'S A LITTLE BIT KINDER GENTLER TOWNHOUSE.

LOOK VS.. IF YOU LOOK AT THE CURRENT CONDOS BEING CONSTRUCTED, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SETBACK IS AND I WISH I WOULD HAVE MEASURED IT BUT IT'S EXTREMELY

CLOSE. >> THAT WAS THREE MINUTES. >> THANK YOU.

WOW. OKAY. YEAH.

IT GOES BY FAST. THANK YOU. VALERIE BRIDGES.

>> HI. >> MY NAME IS VALERIE BRIDGES. I'M AT 262 WOODEN WHEEL LANE.

>> I AM PERSONALLY IN FAVOR OF GETTING RID OF ALL OF THE COMMERCIAL SPACE.

I DON'T THINK WE WANT THE DEBACLE THAT HAPPENED TO SAWGRASS STATION TO HAPPEN IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THEY NOW HAVE YOU RENT BY THE WEEK HOTELS AND GOD KNOWS WHAT.

I THINK WITH THE AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL SPACE THAT IS LEFT THERE ISN'T REALLY ROOM TO DO ANYTHING MEANINGFUL THERE FOR FOR THE COMMERCIAL SPACE. I AM THRILLED TO SEE THAT THEY ARE ADDING IN MORE GREEN SPACE. I AM A MEMBER OF THE UNOFFICIAL BOARD OF OF HLA THERE AND THAT HAS BEEN A CONCERN OF OURS OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THOSE TWO COMMERCIAL PODS.

>> WHEN WHEN THEY LEAVE AND HOPEFULLY THIS IS THE LAST DISCUSSION WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANY OTHER HOUSING IN CYPRESS RIDGE. I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT ON THAT MAYBE EVEN D.R. HORTON . SO I'M THRILLED TO KNOW ABOUT THAT GREEN SPACE ARGO CIRCLE AGAIN LIKE SALLY I'M ON. WOULDN'T WE AWAY? THAT IS THE ROAD THAT WOULD BE EXTENDS. MY CONCERN IS OPENING UP THAT ROAD ONTO THE MAIN TRAFFIC EXIT ROAD. THERE IS LOW TRAFFIC GOING I MEAN THAT'S THE MAJOR YOU OTHER THAN HOLSTER LANDING. EVERYONE'S GOING AROUND THAT CIRCLE AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT NOTHING'S TURNING BACK OUT.

I WOULD I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE NEW TOWN HOMES WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK OUT ON THE BARREL AND GO AROUND LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE DOES. BECAUSE I'LL TELL YOU PEOPLE ARE NOW GONNA START GOING DOWN MY WOODEN WHEEL LANE SO THAT THEY CAN GO STRAIGHT THROUGH THOSE TOWNHOMES. MY OTHER LAST CONCERN IS ABOUT PARKING.

WE HAVE VERY LITTLE OVERFLOW PARKING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. OUR STREET IS CURRENTLY USING

[03:25:03]

SO I THINK THAT IN ADDITION TO LOOKING AT WILL 29 TOWNHOMES FIT WHICH AGAIN YOU KNOW I'D LOVE TO HAVE LESS AS WELL. WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE PARKING SITUATION THE WAY THOSE TOWNHOMES ARE BUILT. EVERYBODY GETS ONE PARKING ONE PARKING SPOT, ONE CAR GARAGE AND THEY'RE ALL THREE A FOUR BEDROOM APARTMENT PLACES. SO IF YOU'RE RENTING OUT POTENTIALLY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE FOUR CARS FOR A FOUR BEDROOM HOUSE.

AND WHERE DOES ALL THAT OVERFLOW PARKING GO? SO I THINK THE ADDITIONAL PARKING IS DEFINITELY A CONCERN. AND HOPEFULLY THAT'S IT.

I MADE MY THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ARE THERE ANY OTHERS? ANDREW KIEL BELIEVES IN HIS DEAL WITH THE TRAIL REGISTRY.

I DON'T LIVE IN CYPRUS RIDGE BUT THIS IS INTERESTING CONVERSATION BECAUSE WHAT MISS COUNCILWOMAN POINTED OUT THAT THEY SAID THEY'D GO AHEAD AND BUILD RESIDENTIAL TOMORROW IF THEY WANTED TO. THAT'S PART I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE CASE OR NOT BECAUSE I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT BUT THAT'S A PROBLEM THAT I'VE TALKED ABOUT NUMEROUS TIMES.

THESE MASTER PLANS PASSED IN 2004 2005 ARE ARE AROUND AND YOU CAN'T GET RID OF THEM.

I MEAN THE MASTER PLAN AND MIDPOINT LIKE YOU KNOW IF IT'S BEEN MENTIONED MULTIPLE TIMES THE NEGATIVE BUILD THE OLD PLAN THESE THESE THESE WHATEVER MECHANISM AND I THINK I POINTED OUT A COUPLE TIMES I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO GET RID OR AMEND THESE MASTER PLANS MAINLY ALL THE STATUTES MENTION HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE CITIZENS IN THE TOWER PLUS EVERYBODY IN THE SUBDIVISIONS OR MEMBERS OR CITIZENS OF THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON. THE HOUSES THAT ARE BEING OPPOSED BUILT AREN'T CITIZENS.

NOBODY IS LIVING. SO SO PLEASE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE AFFECTED BY THESE TOWNHOMES OR THESE PROPOSED RESIDENCES AND NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE BUREAU HORTON'S FULL USE OF ALL THE WORLD LEADERS, CORPORATE CITIZENS THAT I DON'T BELIEVE ARE BELIEVE BASED ON HOW MY OTHER LAST SUGGESTION SINCE I WANT TO GO HOME IS BEFORE THEY LEAVE. MAKE SURE THEY DO ASSESSMENTS EACH WAY.

DOES ASSESSMENTS OF THE MANHOLES AND SEWER SYSTEM OR THE WHITE POLICE OR THE WATER DRAINAGE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE AWFUL OF CELL AND THEY'RE ALL SETTLING SO YOU'RE GONNA GET STUCK WITH THE BILL IF YOU DON'T TRY TO PASS ON THAT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. OKAY. I THINK THAT HE DOES THE FIRST

KATHLEEN. >> I I. YEAH I GO BACK TO THIS WAS IDENTIFIED AS COMMERCIAL AND THEN FEDERAL LAND USE AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT DOES ALLOW I'M HEARING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT ALLOWS FOR RESIDENTIAL USE ALSO WHICH FRANKLY IF IT'S MORE OF A UNIT LIKE THE NEIGHBORS ARE SAYING THEY WOULD PREFER I'M HAVING A HARD TIME JUSTIFYING BUILDING THE TOWNHOMES THAT THEY'RE NOT LIKING.

>> ADDITIONALLY, I AGREE WITH OH I'M SORRY IT WAS ON ABOUT THAT LAST PAGE THEN THE LAST WOMAN WHO SPOKE ABOUT HER CONCERN ABOUT THE EXTENSION OF WAGON WE'LL GO INTO THAT MAIN ENTRANCE PARTICULARLY AS IT PERTAINS TO COMING OFF OF THAT CIRCLE AND COMING INTO

THE ENTRANCE. >> I THINK THAT CREATES A POINT OF PEDESTRIAN VEHICULAR CONFLICT. I THINK IT CREATES A LOT OF TRAFFIC RIGHT AT THE VERY ENTRANCE AND I'M JUST SIMPLY NOT A FAN OF THAT. I DON'T LIKE THE ALLEYWAY THAT MOST NEARLY CAN ACCEPT THE ROAD BUT DOESN'T. SO I HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES.

YOU KNOW, IF THE WHOLE GOAL IS TO RECONFIGURE THE ROAD AND HOW THAT'S SET UP, I JUST DON'T LIKE THIS ROAD CONFIGURATION. SO IF THAT'S THE INTENT I'LL CONCEDE IF THE MASS AND I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO GET THE MASTER PLAN PULLED UP AND ALL THE DOCUMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH CYPRESS RIDGE. SO I CAN'T I JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO KNOW THAT THAT IS INDEED THE CASE THAT IT COULD ALL BE RESIDENTIAL. SO I'M TAKING YOUR WORD FOR IT AS AN I TRUST DAN. SO IF THAT IS THE CASE I STILL HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT JUST BECAUSE OF THE CONFIGURATION IS JUST ME. LAX HAS SAFETY CONCERNS.

>> JASON ALL ALL I NEED TO KNOW IS ARE PROFESSIONAL STAFFERS STATING THAT IT'S AGAINST THE IT IS INCONSISTENT WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. TO ME THAT'S I AGREE WITH THE

ONE SPEAKER IT'S LAZY PLANNING. >> I THINK CINDY R. HORTON'S INTEREST TO THE LOW HANGING

[03:30:10]

FRUIT IS TOWNHOUSES BUILD PULL OUT. >> IT'S NOT IN THE INTEREST OF THE RESIDENTS TOWN OF BLUFFTON OR CYPRESS RIDGE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

IT'S AGAINST THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION.

I GO BACK AND FORTH ON THIS ONE AND WHAT IT'S COMING DOWN TO FOR ME IS I'VE MADE A PLEDGE TO MYSELF TO DO AS MUCH AS I CAN TO KEEP US FROM ADDING ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL IN THIS TOWN OVER WHAT'S ALREADY APPROVED AND WE'RE TRYING TO CLAW BACK AS MUCH AS WE CAN FROM WHAT WAS APPROVED TWO DECADES AGO AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IN THE LANGUAGE HERE THERE IS A CONVERSION FACTOR BUT I JUST I CAN'T WRAP MY HEAD AROUND A APPROVING MORE RESIDENTIAL WHICH WILL ADD MORE SCHOOLS THAT I'LL ADD MORE TO ALL THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE FACT THAT STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED DENIAL AND THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M

SITTING. >> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I MEAN IT'S FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD. I'LL I'LL YELL A QUESTION I'VE ASKED YOU BEFORE.

ARE YOU WILLING TO GIVE UP AND DONATE TO OPEN SPACE THE TWO COMMERCIAL AREAS DOWN ON

SEVENTY AND FORTY SIX AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION. >> SO I'LL SAY REAL QUICKLY YOU PEOPLE SAY I'M SORRY I'M SO THOSE K. HAVE HAS ALREADY GIVEN UP THERE.

>> THEY'VE DONE A CONVERSION ON THEIR COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL SO THEY HAD 515 THEY CONVERTED TO 559. SO THERE IS NO MORE ON THIS SIDE OF 46.

SORRY ON THE SIDE OF 170 ANY MORE COMMERCIAL BEYOND THE ONE POINT TO FIVE ACRES THAT IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONTRACT FOR INAPPROPRIATE USE. SO THOSE TWO TWO RED PARCELS SHOWING SOUTHERN AND THEY ARE ENTITLED FOR COMMERCIAL BUT THERE ARE NO COMMERCIAL ENTITLED. THEY ARE THEY'RE ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL BUT THERE IS NO COMMERCIAL ENTITLEMENTS ON THAT SIDE IN THE SCHUBERT PORTION OF JONES ESTATE, PUTIN OKAY.

I THINK WHAT YOU'RE REFERENCING IS OUR EXISTING OFFICE. NO, NO.

I WAS I WAS GONE ALL THE WAY DOWN. >> YEAH.

SO IF YOU'RE GOING DOWN TO THIS ARTICLE HE KNOWS BECAUSE I'VE ASKED IT BEFORE AND YOU ASK

THAT. >> MAKE SURE THAT YOUR HORTON DIDN'T CONVERT OR DONATE THE COMMERCIAL TO CHAOS TO WHICH I SAID THEY HAD NO INTEREST SO. YEAH SO THEY THEY DON'T CONTROL THAT LAND BUT THERE ARE NO ENTITLEMENTS BEYOND THIS ON THIS SIDE OF THE PROPERTY FOR COMMERCIAL ANYMORE AND I'LL SAY I'M GOING BACK AND FORTH AS WELL.

>> JUST TO KATHLEEN'S POINT JUST THE LAYOUT OF THE ROADS AND THEN THAT LOOK LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER PEOPLE'S CONCERNS WITH THE ROAD CONNECTING TO THE MAJOR CYPRUS RANGE BOULEVARD OR

WHATEVER IT'S CALLED WOULD NOT BE FULL MOVEMENT BY THE WAY. >> IT'S ONLY ONE TO THE RIGHT.

>> RIGHT TURN. TURN EXIT OUT. >> CAN YOU GO AROUND THE CIRCLE TO GET IN? IT CANNOT TURN LEFT FROM THE DRIVE.

>> YEAH. AND STILL WITH THE OTHER SMALL SLIVER THAT KATHLEEN I THINK WAS MENTIONING THAT KIND OF ALLEY TO NOWHERE OR SOMETHING.

I DON'T KNOW THAT TRIANGLE PIECE. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT.

>> AGAIN THE INTENTION IS THE BAR FOR THAT RIGHT. BUT WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP A SMALLER FOOTPRINT POSSIBLE. THE MORE SMALL FOOTPRINT THE BIGGER THE OPENS.

IF SOMEONE HAD SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE DENSITY AND THE UNIT CONVERSION, CAN YOU EXPAND?

>> YEAH. SO WE HAVE SEVEN WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

EIGHT POINT FIVE ACRES A COMMERCIAL ONE POINT TWO FIVE BEING KEPT FOR SPECIFIC USE.

IT SHOULD BE COMING AND THE OTHER IS LEAVING THE SEVENTEEN POINT TWO FIVE ACRES.

ONCE YOU CONVERT THAT YOU GET TWENTY NINE UNITS THE TWENTY NINE UNITS WE CAN FIT ON THE NET AGGREGATE OF ABOUT TWO AND CHANGING WHICH LEAVES FIVE ACRES THAT WILL THEN BE ASSIGNED TO OPEN SPACE. YOU DON'T NEED YOU DON'T NEED ALL SEVEN ACRES IN ORDER TO DO

RESIDENTIAL SO. >> JUST PLAYING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE IF WE WERE TO KEEP THE PLAN AS IS AND WE COULD DO THE RESIDENTIAL AND PUT THE SAME TYPE OF FRONT LOAD PRODUCT,

WOULD YOU GET THE SAME AMOUNT IN UNITS? >> YES.

LET'S OPEN SPACE WITH SIMILAR SLOTS OPEN SPACE. >> YOU HAVE TO UTILIZE THE TWO COMMERCIAL THE ONE ACRE COMMERCIAL PARCELS THAT ARE LOCATED ON ARGO CIRCLE BECAUSE

I MEAN THE OTHER ISSUE IS THE PARKING ISSUE OF COURSE. >> COULD WE HAVE.

>> WE HAVE IDENTIFIED 10 SPACES SO WITH THE ADDITION OF THE STREET WE WOULD PUT ON STREET

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>> YOU KIND OF POINT SURE AT THIS MAP NO SMALL SO ON THESE PARCELS.

>> WE'VE ALREADY DONE THE DRIVEWAY TURNOUTS THAT ARE LOCATED THERE.

AND SO THOSE WILL BE CONVERTED TO PARKING SPACES AND THERE'S ALSO PARKING IN FRONT OF THESE TWO SPACES. THERE WERE ALSO THERE TO BE DESIGNATED FOR COMMERCIAL.

AND SO NOW THOSE WOULD ALSO BE UTILIZED FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PARKING.

>> IF YOU WERE TO DO THE RESIDENTIAL THAT YOU'RE APPROVED TO DO PRESENTLY, DOES THAT MEAN THAT YOU REALLY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO ANY COMMERCIAL IN THOSE AREAS BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT THE REST OF THE PARCEL OR IS THERE ANOTHER WAY TO GET ACCESS TO THAT? FOURTH, WE WOULD HAVE CONVERTED ALL OVER COMMERCIAL RIGHTS TO RESIDENTIAL RIGHTS. ALL OF US. SO YEAH ALL TWENTY NINE WOULD BE CONVERTED AND IT WOULD BE FRONT LOADED TOWNHOME PRODUCT SIMILAR TO WHAT'S ON.

SO HOW COME THEY WOULDN'T JUST DO THAT VERSUS A BUNCH OF DRIVEWAY CUTS?

>> THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THEM. IT'S IT'S I I DON'T THINK IT'S

A GOOD THING TO DO. >> IT'S LESS IDEAL THAN TRYING TO KEEP A CLEAN SIDEWALK WITHOUT THE DRIVEWAY CUTS ALONG. I MEAN THAT THE CONNECTION ROAD. BARROW REALLY USED KIND OF A CONNECTOR BETWEEN THE PARKING OR THERE'S THE MAIL KIOSK THAT'S LOCATED ON THE ONE SIDE AND THEN IT TAKES YOU TO THE MAIN ACCESS POINT. I'D RATHER SEE LESS INTERRUPTIONS WITH PARKING AND DRIVEWAYS ALONG THAT SECTION AND I THINK YOU BE A LITTLE BIT WONKY ON THE COMMERCIAL PARCELS THAT ARE THE 1 ACRE COMMERCIAL SPACE. THEY JUST WEREN'T ORIGINALLY FRAMED UP FOR THAT. SO IT'S JUST A LITTLE AWKWARD. I'M KIND OF FUZZY.

I DON'T LIKE OPEN SPACE AND I APPRECIATE THE OPEN SPACE AND I GUESS I WAS CONCERNED BECAUSE I FREAK OUT IN THE AREA OF TRAFFIC AND BUT YOU'RE SAYING WITH THE COMMERCIAL OR THE RESIDENTIAL VERSUS THE COMMERCIAL THAT IT WAS LESS DEFINITELY LESS.

>> YEAH. >> ARE ALL OF THOSE CALCULATIONS THE SAME AS THEY

WERE WHEN YOU DID THE ORIGINAL SO PLAN THAT. >> THAT'S WHY I'LL SAY I DON'T THINK YOU CAN FIT A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET HERE. SO DOES THE NUMBER WAS I THINK TWICE WHAT IT WOULD BE BUT THERE'S STILL BE A REDUCTION OF 70 TRIPS AT PEAK HOURS.

I THINK IT FRAMED IT UP AS A HUNDRED AND FORTY THAT YOU COULDN'T GET A HUNDRED AND I MEAN NEW RIVERSIDE VILLAGES A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET COMMERCIAL.

THIS IS NOT THAT BIG A YEAR. YOU'D HAVE TO DO MULTISTORY WITH PARKING STRUCTURE TO TRY TO GET THAT KIND OF DENSITY THAT'S JUST NOT REALISTIC. SO IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY LESS TRAFFIC BUT NOT NOT A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT RETAIL TRAFFIC REDUCTION.

NOW THOSE OTHER USES IN COMMERCIAL THAT ARE HIGHER TRAFFIC RATES THAT THEN GET TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE EVEN AS YOUR SHOPPING CENTER ASSUMPTIONS FOR THESE TOWNHOME

PRODUCTS. >> IT WILL HAVE A IS IT A TWO CAR GARAGE SPACE OR IS IT A ONE

CAR ACCIDENT, TWO CAR DRIVEWAY . >> RIGHT.

RIGHT. >> YEAH. SO HARD WIRED DRIVEWAY AND ONE CAR GARAGE PARTS 3 AND IT'S HOW MANY BEDROOMS? HOW MANY BEDROOMS.

OH I DON'T SEE A FOUR BEDROOM THREE. >> THAT'S RIGHT.

AND WE'D HAVE FOUR BEDROOM IN THREE BEDROOM. >> IT WOULD COME BACK BEFORE US

WHEN WE GOT TO HURRY UP AND WAS THAT I WAS GOING TO BRING UP. >> YES BUT MR. WEBB JUST SAID THAT IF ANY APPLICATION DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE AND THIS IS JUST THIS IS A CHANGING MINUTE TO A MASCULINE SCOPE FOR NOW CANCEL THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT.

LET HIM COME BACK AND FOR. ALSO THE PRODUCT THAT'S BEING MADE MAY CHANGE PRODUCT SO THAT HOUSING TYPES I MEAN THEY THEY'LL FLEXIBILITY I WOULD I WOULDN'T THINK TO CHANGE OR BASICALLY APPROVING THE STREET WE'RE NOT APPROVING NECESSARILY THE CONCEPT AS TOWNHOMES THERE NOW BUT THEY'LL COME BACK BEFORE US WITH WHATEVER THEY ACTUALLY BUILD FOR ACADEMIC AND EVEN IF IT'S NOT STREET TECHNICALLY WE GET ELECTED AS REC BUT I MEAN THAT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE EITHER RIGHT BECAUSE WE'RE DESIGNATING IT THIS WILL BE RESIDENTIAL.

>> SO WE'RE STRICTLY ELIMINATING THE COMMERCIAL. >> WE'RE ADDING THE STREET.

IF WE WERE THEN TO REMOVE THAT STREET AT SOME POINT WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S BEING THE USE AND IT'S THE STREET NETWORK AND BEING APPROVED AS PART OF THE MASTER PLAN. JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND IF YOU ARE AT LEAST LET'S SAY WE RECOMMEND THIS DENIAL TOWN COUNCIL DENIES IT AND YOU DECIDE TO BUILD TWENTY NINE

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>> NOT ALL THINGS IN PD COME BACK BUT IT CERTAINLY IS REQUIRED.

>> WELL, THAT'S THE QUESTION NOW FOR THE STAFF. MY UNDERSTANDING IS YES, I THINK THAT BECAUSE IT WOULD REQUIRE A DEVELOPMENT PLAN. PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN COME BEFORE THE PLANNING DOES. COME ON NOW IT'S DESIGNATED COMMERCIAL NOW.

>> IF YOU TRANSFER IT TO RESIDENTIAL, I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE SAY SOMETHING ABOUT USE OF RESIDENTIAL WITHIN THAT ZONE OF COMMERCIAL BUT WE'D STILL SEE THINGS YOU'RE SAYING THEY

WOULDN'T NEED TO SUBMIT PRELIMINARY. >> YOU COULD RECOMMEND THAT WE GO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO FOR A MASTER PLAN IF WE'RE WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE APPROVED MASTERPLAN WHICH WE WOULD BE AT THAT POINT AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO.

WE WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT A MASTER PLAN BUT DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

SO LUMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN EVEN IF YOU'RE EVEN IF IT FALLS WITHIN THE CONFINES OF EVEN IF YOU DON'T NEED A MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THAT STRUCTURE, YOU WOULD NEED TO HAVE THAT PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. I WAS PLANNING SNIPERS RIDGE WHERE WE HAVE ESTABLISHED TREES THAT WORKS HAVE GONE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN JUST GO TO THE DRC WITH DOESN'T GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION TO COME TO DRC.

>> IT COMES ABSOLUTELY. IT'S JUST NOT PLANNING COMMISSION AT ALL.

>> A COUPLE ON THE ARSON CENTER FOR ANYTHING TO ADD. YOU CAN DO IT.

I'M I'M SORRY BUT LET ME THROW IT OUT THERE AND LET'S SEE HOW WE FEEL.

>> I RECOMMEND UPON RECOMMENDATION STAFF THAT WE FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION

OF DENIAL TO TOWN COUNCIL SECOND. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. HI. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. THANKS FOR COMING. WE NEED TO CONTINUE USING THIS.

>> DO WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE MEETING SINCE IT'S AFTER 9 30? WE DID HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE MEETINGS SO MY SECOND ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS FAVOR ANY OF THOSE? YEAH, IT'S. OKAY.

[VII.6. Midpoint at New Riverside (Master Plan Amendment)]

>> DELIVERED HERE. OKAY. MAYBE A LOCAL PIE.

THANK YOU FOR THE WATER. YEAH. I NEED SOMETHING TO EAT THIS.

THE MASTERPLAN AMENDMENT FOR MIDPOINT NEW RIVERSIDE LOCATION IT'S ON THE WEST SIDE OF NEW RIVERSIDE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE RIVER. SEND THE MAP THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT. THEY REQUESTED CHANGE THE APPLICANT PATTERSON FARMER OF PULTE HOMES COMPANY LLC WITH AUTHORIZATION OF THE PROPERTY OWNER WALK HOME LAND GROUP LLC IS REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE MASTER PLAN FOR MIDPOINT OF RIVERSIDE AND

THE NEW RIVERSIDE PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT. >> MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE AMENDMENT INCLUDES A REVISED LAYOUT FOR THE REMAINING UNDEVELOPED AREA AT MIDPOINT AT RIVERSIDE MASTERPLAN. THE PROJECT WILL CONSIST OF FOUR HUNDRED NINETY TOTAL RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS WITH NINETY EIGHT OF THE UNITS HAVE ALREADY BEEN CONSTRUCTED AS PART OF PHASE 1 1A AND 400 BEING PROPOSED SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

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PLANNERS NETTED. >> JUST TALK REAL QUICK ON THIS IS TO GET THIS TO THE THIS IS

PHASE 1A. >> IT IS ALREADY BUILT. THIS IS THE ENTRANCE ENTRANCES DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE HIGH SCHOOL.

THE HIGH SCHOOL HAS A SECONDARY ENTRANCE FURTHER DOWN. WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS A LAYOUT THAT IS IS A CONTINUATION OF MIDPOINT BOULEVARD.

IT WOULD BE GATED AT THIS POINT AND THEN THIS LAYOUT HERE IS IT IS A DIFFERENT LAYOUT AND A DIFFERENT PRODUCT THAN UNDER THE CURRENT MASTER PLAN. THESE ARE ALL SINGLE FAMILY

DETACHED. >> THIS IS THE WORLD FACING PLANS FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.

>> THE REVIEW CRITERIA AGAIN I HIGHLIGHTED THREE THAT STAFF HAS CONCERNS ABOUT THAT A LITTLE FURTHER ELABORATE ON A CARRY ITEM NUMBER FOR SECTION 3 9 3 COMPATIBILITY OF PROPOSED LAND USE AS DENSITY IS TRAFFIC CIRCULATION AND DESIGN WITH ADJACENT LAND USERS AND ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES AS WELL AS THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.

>> THAT FINDING IS THE APPLICANT MAY NOT BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA WITH RESPECT TO TRAFFIC CIRCULATION WHILE THE APPLICANT APPLICATION IS NOT REQUESTING A CHANGE IN LAND USE AND PROPOSES A DREAM AN OVERALL DECREASE IN REAL LOUD RESIDENTIAL DENSITY.

THE TRAFFIC MEMO SUBMITTED REFERENCES IN NEW RIVERSIDE PARCEL 6 A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY THAT WAS APPROVED IN LATE 2005. THE TRIP GENERATION FINDINGS INCLUDED IN THIS ORIGINAL TRAFFIC STUDY DOES NOT ACCOUNT FOR CURRENT CONDITIONS MOST NOTABLY MAY RIVER HIGH SCHOOL IMMEDIATELY ACROSS THE RIVERSIDE ROAD ENTRANCE. THE APPLICANT STATED THAT AN UPDATED TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS BASED ON CURRENT CONDITIONS IS SCHEDULED TO COMPLETE TO BE COMPLETED ONCE SCHOOL IS BACK IN SESSION. THE NEW CRITERIA 5 IS SECTION 3 9 3 F ABILITY TO BE SERVED BY ADEQUATE PUBLIC SERVICES INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO WATER SANITARY SEWER ROADS POLICE, FIRE AND SCHOOL SERVICES FOR DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON INFRASTRUCTURE AND SERVICES.

THE APPLICANT SHALL BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE AN ANALYSIS AND MITIGATION OF THE IMPACT ON TRANSPORTATION, UTILITIES AND COMMUNITY SERVICES. FINDING IS THE PROPERTY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BE SERVED BY ADEQUATE PUBLIC SERVICES SINCE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS IMPACT ON TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE HAVE NOT BEEN ANALYZED BASED ON CURRENT CONDITIONS SUBJECT TO THE FINDINGS OF THE PENDING UPDATED TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS MITIGATION OF TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE MAY BE WARRANTED .

>> SECTION CRITERION NUMBER 7 SECTION 3 9 3 8 ABILITY OF THE SITE TO SUFFICIENTLY ACCOMMODATE THE DENSITIES AND LAND USE INTENSITIES OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY MAY SUFFICIENT MAY SUFFICIENTLY ACCOMMODATE THE DENSITIES LAND USE INTENSITY INTO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY MAY SUFFICIENTLY ACCOMMODATE THE DENSITIES AND LAND USE INTENSITY OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT SUBJECT TO THE FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS OF THIRD TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND PROVIDING A PAVED FULL ACCESS SECOND POINT OF ACCESS ONTO NEW RIVERSIDE ROAD. REVIEW PROCESS THE PRE APPLICATION MEETING TOOK PLACE ON APRIL 21 20 22 APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED ON MAY 25TH 2022 WAS REVIEWED BY THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE ON JUNE 29 2022.

>> WE'RE HERE TONIGHT FOR PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION.

THIS IS LIKE 2017 2022 AND IT WILL BE THE RECOMMENDATION FROM PLANNING COMMISSION WILL BE FORWARD TO TOWN COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL AT A DATE TO BE DETERMINED.

PLANNING COMMISSION ACTIONS FOR CONSIDERING OUR RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS OR RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT AND STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS THAT TOWN STAFF FINDS REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 3 9 3 OF THE VIDEO CAN BE MET WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AND RECOMMENDS PLANNING COMMISSION PROVIDE RECOMMENDATION OF CONDITIONAL APPROVAL TO TOWN COUNCIL FOR THE MIDPOINT AT NEW RIVERSIDE MASTERPLAN AMENDMENT 1 PROVIDE

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>> EXCUSE MAY EXTEND THE EXISTING 70 FOOT MIDPOINT BOULEVARD RIGHT OF WAY CROSS SECTION AS SHOWN ON THE PRELIMINARY MIDPOINT STREET PLAN.

I HAVE THAT AS A THAT WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET THAT WE'RE WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXTENDING IT TO OUR SLIDE. WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT. NUMBER TWO IS TO PROVIDE CONSISTENCY WITH PHASE 1 A PROVIDE A 60 FOOT RIGHT AWAY ON THE REMAINING ROAD NETWORK.

BOTH OF THESE ARE IN REFERENCE TO PHASE 1 A THE MIDPOINT ENTRANCE HAS A 70 FOOT RIGHT AWAY IN ALL OF THE OTHER ROADS OR 60 FOOT RIGHT AWAY. THE APPLICANT'S 1050 FOOT RIGHT AWAY THROUGHOUT EXCEPT FOR A VERY SHORT SECTION. ONCE YOU GET INSIDE OF THE GATE THE POST GAME NUMBER THREE PROVIDED UPDATED TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS BASED ON CURRENT CONDITIONS. RECOMMEND MITIGATION MEASURE AND RECOMMENDED MITIGATION MEASURES SHALL SHELBY INCLUDED ON DEVELOPMENT PLANS PRIOR TO FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL AND STAFF RECOMMEND A CONDITION FOR IS PROVIDE A PAPER FULL ACCESS SECOND POINT ACCESS ON NEW RIVERSIDE ROAD AND WE'RE ASKED QUESTIONS TO TALK TO THE APPLICANT PATIENT.

>> THANK YOU ALL FOR STAYING LATE AND SEEING US THIS EVENING.

WE DO APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. I'M ROB AMERICAN.

I'M WITH PULTE GROUP AND ONCE AGAIN WE JUST WANT TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT A FEW OF THE THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP AS FAR AS THE CONDITIONS ARE ONE WE WANT TO START WITH.

AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC IMPACT, YES, WE'VE AGREED TO GO AHEAD AND DO THE IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT WILL BE COMPLETED AND THAT'S GOING TO BE HEADED UP AND THEN ONCE AGAIN ONCE YOU RECEIVE THOSE RESULTS WE'LL BE ABLE TO WORK WITH STAFF AND DFT OF COURSE TO MITIGATE AT THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. WE ARE EXCITED TO ANNOUNCE THAT WE DID FOR MUCH PERSISTENCY WAS ABLE TO GET A SECONDARY ACCESS TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

SO THAT WAS ONCE AGAIN THAT'S A BIG WIN I THINK FOR EVERYBODY INCLUDING THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF. AND SO WHAT DO WE HAVE PROOF OF THE WRITING? DO WE HAVE ANY DOCUMENTATION THAT CAN BE PROVIDED? I CAN GET THAT FOR YOU.

SO. SO YES, WE HAVE A SIGNED AMENDMENT THAT THAT IS GAINING IS THAT THAT ACCESS? SO WITH THE OTHER TWO THINGS THAT WE JUST WANT TO KIND OF DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT THAT WE'RE STILL TRYING TO WORK THROUGH IS THE UNDERSTANDING AND THE PUSH FOR THE 70 AND THE 60 FOOT WRITE A WAYS YOU KNOW AFTER OUR TEAM HAS BEEN ABLE TO REVIEW THE DEAL WE MADE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE IN LINE. THE PD DOES CALL FOR A MINIMUM OF A 50 FOOT RIGHT AWAY. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I STARTED TO LOOK AT WAS ALSO WITH THE 50 FOOT RIGHT AWAY. WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND OR AND WORK WITH THE BEST BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES AS FAR AS A STRONG ONE AREA. SO THIS HAS BEEN ABLE TO WE TO EXPAND THOSE NOT ONLY IS BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT, WE'RE ALSO IN LINE WITH THE NEW DESIGN MANUAL FOR THE 20 21 THAT WERE THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 20 21 WHICH STATE AND THAT THAT WHEREVER POSSIBLE RESIDENTIAL STREET. RIGHT. RIGHT AWAY WHICH SHOULD REFLECT THE MINIMUM REQUIRED TO ACCOMMODATE THE TRAVEL AWAY THE SIDEWALKS AND THE VEGETATED OPEN CHANNELS SO THAT WITH THAT BEING SAID WE REQUEST THAT WE'RE ABLE TO CONTINUE WITH OUR

50 FOOT RIGHT AWAY THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. >> I WANT TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING FURTHER GOING TO DO PUBLIC COMMENTS. IT WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SAY SOME WORDS RIGHT NOW. WELL, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD THOUGH, MAYBE WE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT OF THIS THAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY UP TO BEING LATE BUT I'M I'M ANGRY.

>> OKAY. WE SAT HERE DRC WE WENT THROUGH A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED AND WE THOUGHT WOULD BE ADDRESSED. BUT THE PACKET WE WERE GIVEN THE OTHER DAY ADDRESSED EXACTLY ZERO OF THOSE ITEMS. YOU'RE TELLING US TONIGHT THAT YOU'VE GOT A SECONDARY ROAD ACCESS. THAT'S WONDERFUL.

NOT IN OUR PACKET. NO REFERENCE TO IT. NOTHING IN PRINT.

IT'S GREAT THING TO SAY BUT THERE'S NOTHING HERE WE JUST RECEIVED THAT WE JUST RECEIVED

THAT SECONDARY ACCESS LITERALLY LAST EVENING. >> WE GET THE FINAL GRADE, BRING IT WITH YOU, HAND IT TO STAFF WHEN YOU COME IN THE ROOM.

>> SO WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT YOU'RE ASKING US TO GIVE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL BASED ON WORDS NOTHING THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEE OR EVEN REVIEW IN THE LAST 10 MINUTES.

NOTHING. WE'VE GOT A PACKET WITH A LETTER FROM THE COUNTY ENGINEER

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WE'VE GOT A LETTER FROM THE BEAUFORT COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT IN 2005.

WE'VE GOT A LETTER FROM COUNTY UMASS DATED 2005. WE HAVE TOWNSHIP FIRE DISTRICT IN 2005. WE HAVE D HECK O CRM ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS 2005 ALL OF THEM THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS LETTER THAT THAT WE HAVE IN THIS PACKET THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY YOU EXPIRED FIVE YEARS AFTER IT WAS ISSUED. NOTHING'S BEEN UPDATED.

WE DON'T HAVE UPDATES. WE ALL KNOW I'M SORRY DOMINION ENERGY AND HARD RIGHT.

YOU GOT LETTERS FROM THEM WHICH IS KIND OF IRONIC BECAUSE OF THE COMPLAINTS ABOUT

BROWNOUTS BUT THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER SUBJECT. >> THIS IN MY OPINION THIS SHOULDN'T BE BEFORE TONIGHT AND I'M ONLY ONE OF FIVE BUT A LOT OF THIS STUFF SHOULD'VE BEEN ADDRESSED. I FEEL LIKE YOU ARE BULL IT THROUGH DRC YOUR BULLDOG THROUGH US SO YOU CAN GET IN FRONT OF COUNSEL AND HOPEFULLY GET AN APPROVAL AND I TAKE

OFFENSE TO THAT. >> WELL THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS OF COURSE YOU KNOW FOR YOU TO TAKE OFFENSE TO SOMETHING WE HAVE TAKEN A MASTER AND APPROVED MASTER PLAN THAT'S THAT'S BEEN APPROVED APPROVED BY THAT WE COULD GO WITH TOMORROW AND START THE ENGINEERING PROCESS FOR TAKING THAT PLAN AND REDUCE THE DENSITY BY 15 PERCENT GAIN MORE. YEAH BUT WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.

>> LET ME STOP YOU RIGHT THERE. YOU REDUCE THE DENSITY. OKAY.

FIRST OF ALL, I'M NOT EVEN GONNA ARGUE THE NUMBERS. YOU DIDN'T REDUCE THE DENSITY THAT DENSITY STILL EXISTS AND CAN BE BUILT SOMEWHERE ELSE IN NEW RIVERSIDE.

JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT BUILDING IT ON THAT PARCEL THAT DOES THE TOWN NO GOOD BUT THOSE EXTRA NUMBERS DIDN'T COME OFF THE BOOKS. SO AS FAR AS THE OWNER THE PERSON THAT OWNS THE DENSITY UNITS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE TO BE WITH.

IT'S AGREED. I AM PURCHASING THE UNITS FOR THAT MIDPOINT MIDPOINT WAS APPROVED FOR FIVE HUNDRED SEVENTY SIX UNITS. WE'RE ACTUALLY ONLY AT THE WHEN IT'S COMPLETELY DONE. WE'RE DOING 40 HUNDRED NINETY EIGHT SO WHATEVER THE OWNER OF THOSE UNITS WANTS TO DO THAT'S COMPLETELY UP TO HIM AT THAT POINT.

BUT WE ALSO STATED THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED BEFORE THAT AS FAR AS THE REDUCTION OF UNITS AND LESS DENSITY I GET THAT. BUT WE'RE DOING OUR PART WITH THAT.

SO YOU ALTERED SAYING IS YOUR BUILDING LESS ON THAT PROPERTY? >> YOU'RE NOT REDUCING THE DENSITY. YOU'RE BUILDING LESS ON THAT PROPERTY.

THAT'S AN A PLUS THAT'S ALL FUNCTION. BUT THAT PROPERTIES WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS NEW RIVERSIDE GOES. I'M TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY THE PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE IN THE PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE WE REDUCED WE REDUCED THAT.

OKAY. HOW ABOUT THIS REDUCED THE UNITS IN THAT PROPERTY BUT WE ALSO GAINED. AND THESE ARE THINGS THAT YOU REQUESTED YOU REQUESTED THE FULL TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WHICH WE'VE WE'RE TAKING THAT RESPONSIBILITY ON REQUEST THE SECONDARY ACCESS ROAD WHICH WE'RE ALSO TAKING THE COST, THE BURDEN, THE MAINTENANCE UPON OURSELVES AS WELL. NOW ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS AN AMENDMENT THERE'S AN APPROVED PLAN THAT'S OUT THERE. WE HAVE TAKEN A PLAN THAT'S APPROVED AND MADE IT EVEN BETTER AND MADE REDUCTIONS UPON IT TO BETTER FOR THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS NEW RIVERSIDE AS A WHOLE. SO WE HAVE SO TO COME IN AND SAY THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE THESE THINGS. YES, WE HAVE AND WE'RE WORKING UPON TO GET THOSE GET THOSE NUMBERS FOR YOU. AND THEY WILL BE ADDRESSED ONCE AGAIN AS SOON AS WE GO TO THEIR PLANNING AND DESIGN AT THAT POINT. SO WE'RE FORCED TO MAKE OUR DECISION ON WHAT THEN IF THERE'S A BUNCH OF WORK GOING TO GET THESE THINGS.

>> THAT'S WHAT MY FRUSTRATION IS THAT A DIFFERENT IF I MAY, JOHN FALL MORE WITH THOMAS AND HUTTON. SO THE TRAFFIC STUDY WE CAN'T PHYSICALLY DO UNTIL SCHOOL IS BACK IN SESSION. ONCE SCHOOL BACK IS IN SESSION, WE CAN DO THE COUNT THE STUDY WILL BE COMPLETED IDEALLY IT'S DONE BEFORE COUNCIL CAN I PROMISE THAT? NO, BUT THAT'S THE GOAL IN IT. BUT IT ABSOLUTELY WILL BE DONE BEFORE WE COME TO YOU FOR DEVELOPMENT PLANNING APPROVAL. SO AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, THAT'S THAT'S THE STORY THERE. AS DE HE MENTIONED ABOUT THE SECOND AXIS.

FORTUNATELY THEY'RE BUYING FROM THE SAME OWNER OF THE PARTIAL SOUTH OF US.

THEY HAVE GOT AN AGREEMENT TO PURCHASE LAND OR DEAL WITH THAT TO ACQUIRE THE LAND, TO BUILD THAT ROAD. WE WILL BRING THAT PLANT TO COUNCIL BUT THAT DEAL JUST GOT WORKED THROUGH. SO WE HAVE NOT HAD TIME TO UPDATE ALL OF THE RENDERINGS, ET CETERA. AS FAR AS OUTDATED LETTERS, PEOPLE HASN'T RESPONDED.

WE CAN SUBMIT THE DOCUMENTS TO YOU WHERE WE REQUESTED UPDATED LETTERS.

BUT THAT'S WHY IT'S HARD FOR SAYS BECAUSE NONE OF IT'S CURRENT AND THERE ARE.

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>> I'M GETTING THESE THINGS BUT WE HAVE TO REVIEW WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR HEAD.

>> ABSOLUTELY. WELL, THAT'S WHAT THE HARDEST PART IS FOR US.

BUT EVEN IF IN ALL FAIRNESS, EVEN IF WE BROUGHT YOU SOMETHING TODAY YOU TECHNICALLY CAN'T WRITE TODAY YOU HAVE TO JUST MAKE IT SO YOU HAVE A COMPLETE PACKAGE.

BEFORE YOU SUBMIT I BELIEVE IT IS A COMPLETE PACKAGE. MY OPINION IS THAT IF THE ITEMS ARE NOT UPDATED THEN IT'S NOT A COMPLETE PACKAGE. AND I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION AND ONE OF THE COMMENTS WE RECEIVED EARLIER WAS TO THE EFFECT THAT THIS MASTER PLAN THAT THE OLD

NOAH IS NOT ACTUALLY VIABLE ANYMORE. >> IT'S EXPIRED.

IS THAT TRUE? ONE OF THE COMMENTS WE RECEIVED TODAY INCLUDED WAS BASICALLY SAYING THAT THIS IS THE OLD MASTER PLAN WAS APPROVED BUT BECAUSE OF IT IT GOT EXTENDED DURING THE RECESSION. BUT IT'S NOT ACTUALLY IT'S LIKE IT'S IT'S NO LONGER VIABLE.

IS THAT TRUE? I'M SO COMMISSIONER DUNCAN, I BELIEVE WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING PROTOCOL TO THAT QUESTION WHETHER THE MASTER PLAN HAD EXPIRED FOR LACK OF ACTION.

>> SO IT'S REALLY IT'S I'M ABOUT TO GIVE A HORRIBLE LEGAL ANSWER.

BUT YOU KNOW, I USED TO ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH IS A COMBINATION OF A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT ZONING ZONING TECHNIQUES AND ZONING ISSUES AND STATUTES IN ORDER TO LAND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS AND THAT DEVELOPMENT IN THE RIVERSIDE MINING AREA, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A RUSSIAN NESTING DOLL WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THEN THE CONCEPT PLAN AND THEN INDIVIDUAL MASTER PLANS HAS CONTINUED TO FOCUS DOWN. YOU GET MORE INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS OR SUBDIVISIONS OR WHATEVER THEY ARE WHAT IS REFERRED TO AS A MASTER PLAN IN NEW RIVERSIDE AND THROUGHOUT TOWN BLUFFTON THERE'S MAYBE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER THAT WOULD QUALIFY AS A LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT RIGHTS ACT UNDER SOUTH CAROLINA LAW. SO TRADITIONALLY THE WAY THAT WE HAVE LOOKED AT THAT AND THE WAY THE STATE HAS LOOKED AT IT IS ONCE YOU GET AN APPROVAL THAT YOU HAVE A YOU HAVE A VESTED RIGHT TO FINISH THAT APPROVAL FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME AND IT'S STATE STATUTE I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I BELIEVE IT IS A TWO YEAR VESTED RIGHT WITH AUTOMATIC ONE YEAR RENEWALS FOR FIVE YEARS. SO THEN WHAT YOU'VE BROUGHT IN RECESSION IS THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY PASSED A RESOLUTION THAT SAID WELL ANY EXPIRATIONS OF DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS DURING 2010 ABOUT 2014 AND I THINK THEY EXTENDED IT AGAIN IN 2014 DON'T APPLY. SO ESSENTIALLY THEY SAID YOU'RE MESMERIZED OR JUST EXTEND IT OUT INDEFINITELY UNTIL WE DECIDE THAT THOSE CALCULATIONS CAN START AGAIN BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE PUT A LOT OF MONEY IN BELFAST, PUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO GETTING APPROVALS AND CRASH. THEY DON'T WANT. EVERYBODY WANTS IT CAME BACK ONLINE. THIS IS THIS IS IN THE PURPOSE OF THE RESOLUTION WHEN THE MARKET CAME BACK ONLINE. I THINK WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AGAIN AND THEY COULD STILL BUILD WHAT HAD BEEN APPROVED YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS PRIOR.

WE AS THE TOWN HISTORICALLY IS NOT APPLIED A TERMINATION ON THE MASTER PLANS THAT WERE APPROVED AS PART OF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS BECAUSE THEY ARE APPROVED AS PART OF A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. GENERALLY SPEAKING FROM YOUR INTERSTATE CONCEPT PLAN OR SOME OTHER CONCEPT PLANS FOR PALMETTO BLUFF, THEY HAVE TO BE BROUGHT IN AS PART OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS HAVE AN EXPIRATION THAT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SO IT DEPENDS ON THE TOTAL ACREAGE AS WELL. I SAID THERE IS JUST A TON OF INFORMATION IS A VERY COMPLEX LEGAL ISSUE THAT IT REALLY HAS TO DO WITH WHAT WE'VE BEEN REFERRING TO THE MASS AND HOW WE'VE BEEN TREATING THEM IN THE PAST.

SO WITH A LOT OF THESE MASTER PLANS THEY HAVEN'T TREATED MORE LIKE A CONCEPT PLAN AND TIE IN WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OTHER THAN THAT'S JUST PRIOR TREATMENTS LONG ANSWER I HAVEN'T RESEARCHED IT ENOUGH TO GIVE TO RENDER A FULL OPINION TO SAY YOU KNOW DEFINITIVELY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER OTHER. MY INCLINATION IS THAT NO, THE MASTER PLAN IS STILL VALID BUT CERTAINLY THE ARGUMENT MADE WAS WAS INTERESTING AND WOULD I'M CURIOUS IF IT IS AT LEAST GIVEN THESE GIVEN MISSING PULSE POSSIBLE AND CERTAINLY WE CAN LOOK MORE INTO IT.

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I'M STILL MILD. >> I DO MY THREE MINUTE COMMENT THAT NIGHT NOT YET ABOUT THAT ON THE ONE TO DRIVE DREADFUL SCOTT NOT YET FOR OUR NOT SO LET'S DISCUSS BEFORE WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. OH WAIT, WAIT NOW MAY WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, YOU WERE HERE. WILL YOU PLEASE CALL INJURE KEEL?

>> YOU CAN COME UP YOU HAVE TO HOLD ON TO BE PATIENT. >> THE LAST TIME WAS NOT THE

LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE. >> WE WERE DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

IT WAS A DIFFERENT. OH SO YOU LET ME TALK SPIN. SO AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES I HAVE THREE MINUTES TO NAME AND YOU BLEW ACCESS AGREEMENT OR ACCESS POINT WHAT I WOULD SAY TO THAT IS GET IT DONE BEFORE YOU GUYS START CLEARING EVERYTHING RIGHT.

>> YOU CAN ACCESS AGREEMENT AN ACCESS AGREEMENT OR AN ACCESS ROAD THAT'S COME IN TO THE CONSTRUCTION SITE NEEDS TO GET BUILT. SO THE CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT AND EVERYTHING FOR THE CLEARING NEEDS TO HAPPEN OTHERWISE THEY'RE DRIVING UP AND DOWN OUR MIDPOINT BOULEVARD AND IT'S LIKE WHAT'S THE POINT? SO THAT'S MY POINT.

WITH RESPECT TO THE FIVE YEARS STUDIO IS FIVE YEARS FOR A MASTER PLAN.

YOU GUYS ARE APPLYING ALL THREE POINT NINE ALL THAT STUFF TO THE UTICA THOSE ARE TO THE MASTER PLAN THAT YOU TITO'S THE AMENDMENT. SO WHY APPLY TO THE ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN? I I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS AND THE DIFFERENT ORDINANCES AND THERE IS MIDPOINT SPECIFICALLY HAD A PERMIT PULLED IN 2006 OR 2007 WHICH THEN WAS SUSPENDED BUT THEN PEOPLE BUILT AND THEN THEY STOPPED. THE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT SAYS IT EXPIRES AFTER A YEAR I BELIEVE.

AND ALSO IN THE DEVELOPMENT DOCUMENTS, THE ORDINANCE FROM BEAUFORT COUNTY ALSO STATES THAT EITHER THE DEVELOPMENT PERMITS ARE SUPPOSED TO EXPIRE IN A YEAR OR TWO OR WHAT THE

DEVELOPMENT PERMIT SAYS. >> SO I THINK IN MY OPINION IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WE'VE GOT

A HUD PROBLEM BLUFFTON. >> SOMEBODY NEEDS TO STAND UP AND SAY WE CAN AMEND IT AND I'LL SEND YOU GUYS A MEMO IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS ABOUT WHAT MY OPINION IS ON THE 6TH.

SO SIXTH DASH THIRTY ONE DASH 130 ALL THAT STUFF. THERE'S PLENTY OF OUT FOR HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE CITIZENS. EVERYTHING CAN BE AMENDED WITH NOTICE AND A HEARING. ALL RIGHT. 2007 IS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN 2022. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GOING TO DISAGREE.

WE DO NOT NEED ANOTHER HOUSE IN BLUFFTON FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

THEY'RE GONNA BE BUILDING HOUSES FOR FIVE YEARS AND ALREADY APPROVED.

NEED MORE COMMERCIAL? I WON'T GO TO I WANT I WANT PEOPLE TO I WANT BUSINESSES TO BE OPEN SO I SHALL UTILIZE BUT I'M NOT SURE. FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR HOUSES SOLVE THAT AND ACTUALLY FINISH. THANKS.

WELL. APPRECIATE IT. MICHELLE KIEL, MICHELLE KIEL 22 TWO TRAILERS A TWEET BOARD PRESIDENT FOR MIDPOINT. IT'S GREAT TO HEAR THAT PULTE HAS POTENTIALLY ACCESS THE SECONDARY ROAD AGREEMENT BUT WE REALLY STILL WANT TO SEE THE DOCUMENTATION FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL AS THE TRAFFIC STUDY BEFORE ANY SORT OF CONSTRUCTION OR PROGRESS MOVES ON THE DEVELOPMENT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S POTENTIALLY TWO MORE SCHOOLS COMING TO THE LAND AREA ACROSS THE STREET AND WE ARE DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE JUST FOR THE SCHOOL. SO ANYTHING THAT COMES THE TRAFFIC STUDY IN THAT AREA IS GOING TO BE HUGE IMPACT ON ANY ADDITIONAL BUILDING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

>> SO AGAIN, THAT'S JUST OUR REQUEST IS THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY COMES IN BEFORE ANY DECISIONS THAT COMMITTEE MAKES. THANK YOU. THANK ANOTHER CALLER.

WELL, THERE WAS THERE WAS ANOTHER POINT OF CONVERSATION WE'VE HAD IN THIS PROCESS AND

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I KNOW THERE ARE DIFFERENT THINGS BUT HAS THAT BEEN HASHED OUT AND HAVE THERE BEEN ANY MEETINGS WITH THE WITH THE CURRENT P.O. A? AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? AND WHERE'S THE GATE GOING? IS THERE A GATE THOSE TYPE OF THINGS THAT YOU'RE TALKING

ABOUT? >> SURE. I'LL ANSWER SOME.

SO YES, COMMUNICATIONS HAD BEEN BACK AND FORTH. WE DID HAVE KNOWLEDGE.

WE HAVE A WORKSHOP WITH COMMUNITY AS WELL. I HAD A MEETING WITH THE BOARD.

WHAT KIND OF TALK THROUGH THERE ? SO WE CAME BACK INTERNALLY ON OUR OUR SIDE TRYING TO SEE WHAT OPTIONS WE COULD SO THEY COULD HAVE POTENTIAL ACCESS TO THE AMENITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT CONSIDERING THEY ARE A COMPLETE SEPARATE VOA SO WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT WE'VE DONE IN OTHER COMMUNITIES TO BE ABLE TO TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.

AS FAR AS THE MIDPOINT MAIN ROAD THERE WE ARE ALSO PUT TOGETHER A PROPOSAL THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO PRESENT TO THEM AS WELL WHICH WE'LL ALSO HANDLE SOME OF THE MAINTENANCE, TAKE SOME OF THE BURDEN OFF FOR THEM WHEN IT COMES TO THAT LANDSCAPING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AS FAR AS THE GATE IS CONCERNED WE DO HAVE THE GATE LOCATED THAT COMING INTO THE ENTRANCE OF OUR OF THE SECOND PHASE OF THE COMMUNITY.

NOW ONCE AGAIN THAT THAT'S STILL UP IS STILL ON THE TABLE FOR DISCUSSION AND COULD BE BROUGHT UP DOWN THE ROAD THAT IF THEY WAS THEY WERE TO TRY AND WE COULD LOOK AT THE POTENTIAL MOVING THAT GATE, THAT POINT AS FAR AS THE CONSTRUCTION ACCESS GOES, YOU KNOW, MAINTAINING THE SECOND ACCESS POINT IS IS IS A TREMENDOUS MATTER BECAUSE HOPEFULLY WE WILL BE DETERRED ESPECIALLY SOME OF THE HEAVY TRAFFIC AND THINGS LIKE THAT DURING THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE OF THE HOUSE ON THAT SECONDARY ACCESS.

SO ONCE AGAIN THAT'LL HELP OF COURSE TAKE ONE TAKE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC OFF OF THE MAIN DRAG THERE AND BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT FORM. AND THAT'S SECONDARY ACCESS.

JUST TO CLARIFY THAT'S NOT JUST FOR CONSTRUCTION. THAT'S AN ACTUAL COMMUNITY ACCESS THAT WILL STAY FOREVER. WHEN THAT WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT IS COMPLETED, IT IS A FULL IT'LL BE A FULL ROAD ACCESS THAT I'LL STAY FOREVER. YES, SIR, IT IS DEVELOPMENT.

>> QUICKLY, WHAT ABOUT WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT IS COMPLETED? >> WHAT'S THAT DEFINITION LIKE

JUST THE INFRASTRUCTURE OR ARE EVERY HOUSE DONE? >> YEAH, IT'S LIKE GRAHAM HAWKINS ALSO WITH PULTE GROUP. I DON'T THINK HE MEANT WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT IS COMPLETE THE SECONDARY ACCESS HAS BEEN THAT WE JUST GOT SIGNED IS FOR FULL ACCESS.

WE WILL START WITH CONSTRUCTION ACCESS BUT ONCE THE FIRST PHASE IS ONLINE THE FIRST HOME RESIDENT RESIDENTIAL HOMEOWNER IS IN THEY'LL BE ABLE TO USE THAT AS A SECONDARY ACCESS.

I WOULD SAY I KNOW THAT WE DIDN'T BRING ANY DOCUMENTATION. AGAIN, THAT IS A CONTRACTUAL THING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON WITH THE THAT WE DO HAVE SIGNED WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER. WE WILL HAVE TO BRING THAT AND THAT'S ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN SUGGESTED BY STAFF AND WE'RE WE ARE AMENABLE TO THAT CONDITION WHICH IS HEY, YOU WILL PROVIDE A FULL PAID SECONDARY POINT OF ACCESS TO NEW RIVER SITE.

AND SO WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING IS THAT WE MOVE ON WITH RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL WITH THESE PARTICULAR CONDITIONS AND WE WILL AGREE TO MEET THESE CONDITIONS GOING BACK TO THE CONDITIONS THEN THE 74 BOULEVARD RIGHT AWAY CROSS SECTION YOU WILL MEET THAT YOU WILL MEET THE 60 FOOT BRIDE AWAY ON THE REMAINING ROAD NETWORK.

>> SO THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT WE ARE WANTING TO DISCUSS TONIGHT. >> THE 70 FOOT MIDPOINT BOULEVARD RIGHT AWAY ACCESS WE HAD WORKED WITH STAFF ON SORT OF A COMPROMISE BRING INTERIOR TO THE FIRST INTERSECTION OF OUR HOME EXCUSE ME OUR FIRST INTERSECTION WITHIN OUR SIDE OF IT WAS WHAT WE PROPOSED. STAFF IS STILL I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO BRING IT FURTHER IN THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT. I DON'T KNOW THAT WHEN I THINK WE CAN BE AMENABLE TO THAT.

I WILL SAY THE 60 FOOT RIGHT AWAY WITH THE BALANCE OF THE ROAD WHAT ROADWAY NETWORK IS IMPACTFUL TO US AND THAT WE CAN IF YOU TAKE THAT 10 FOOT OF RIGHT AWAY THEN YOU NO LONGER CAN PUT IT INTO THESE STORMWATER FACILITIES THAT ARE HELPING ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE DRAINAGE CONCERNS AROUND NEW AROUND THE WATERSHED AS WELL AS ALTERNATIVELY IT COULD BE PART OF THE FRONT YARDS AS WE SHIFT TO FRONT LOADED PRODUCT HERE. WELL, GOOD.

I'M JUST GOING TO ASK REALLY DUMB QUESTION BUT IF YOU HAD TO MAKE THOSE ROADWAYS WIDER, COULDN'T YOU MAKE THE ONE OR THE BLUE OR THE WET LAGOONS OR WHATEVER SMALLER.

>> YES, YOU. THAT'S RIGHT. AND I GUESS THE POINT OF THE INCREASED SIZE OF THE STORMWATER LAGOONS IS TO HELP OUR STORMWATER MAINTENANCE IN THE STORMWATER QUALITY AND QUANTITY IT'S GOING TO RUN OFF THE SITE AND OUR ENGINEER CAN

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RIGHT NOW WE'RE PROPOSING A 20 FOOT FRONT SET BACK WITH THE 50 FOOT RIGHT AWAY.

WE WOULD REQUEST THAT GO DOWN TO 15 FOOT FRONT SETBACK BUT WE WOULD LEAVE THE SIDEWALK WHERE IT IS NO MATTER WHAT ARE THE THE CARS WOULD STILL FIT ON THE LOT SO TO SPEAK AND NOT BLOCK THE SIDEWALK IF THAT MAKES SENSE WE COULD DO. I MEAN I UNDERSTAND THAT MATH IF IT'S 15 FEET PER UNIT PER CAR THERE FROM THE ROAD AWAY NOW FROM THE ROAD WE'RE WORKING TO NOT BLOCK RIGHT AWAY NOT THE ROAD THE REST OF THE SAME ROUTE.

>> GOING TO LOOK AND FEEL THE SAME NO MATTER WHAT. RIGHT.

TO ME IT'S THE SAME YOU GET UP WITH THE SAME CONCEPT BECAUSE WHAT'S OUT THERE TODAY THEY DON'T HAVE 20 FOOT SETBACKS. THEY'RE AT MIDPOINT POINT TODAY.

SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE EITHER WAY. YOU'RE SAYING A RIGHT NOW THEY'RE 60 FOOT 15 BUILDINGS SET BACK. HOW WOULD YOU ACCOMMODATE YOUR

PARKING IN YOUR DRIVEWAY AGAIN? >> IT WOULD BE IN THE DRIVEWAY .

WE WOULD LEAVE THE SIDEWALK OUT JUST LIKE THE EXISTING MIDPOINT RENT STRIP OUTSIDE THE SIDEWALK WHICH WOULD BE SOMEWHAT WOULD NOT BE ALL THE WAY TO THE RIGHT AWAY.

>> I THINK GIVEN A CROSS SECTION THAT YOU SUBMIT OVER LIKE IT DOES WITH EVEN WITH A 50 FOOT RIGHT AWAY WE ACCOMMODATED THAT. SO DOES THE DISCUSSION MAN CAN YOU TELL ME THE REASON WHY I GO BACK THROUGH YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS ON THAT 70 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY BECAUSE IT WOULD BE MY ASSUMPTION THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO EXPAND THE RESOURCES WITHIN THAT 70 FOOT RIGHT WAY WHICH MEANS EITHER WIDENING THE ROAD TO ACCOMMODATE A LITTLE FASTER TRAFFIC OR ADDING PARKING OR ADDING LARGER TREES SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT?

>> WELL, IT'S CALLED MIDPOINT OVERLORD OF TO BEGIN WITH IF WE BASE THE LINE ON WHAT IT'S AFTER THE PHASE 1 AND IT'S A SEVEN FOOT RIGHT AWAY AND YOU COME IN UP TO THE POINT WHERE IT MEETS THE FEEDBACK PARCEL. RIGHT NOW WE WANTED A CONTINUATION OF THAT.

BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS IS THIS STREET NETWORK TO MATCH WHAT HAPPENED IN PHASE 1 AND SO ON THAT PHASE 1 A YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE CROSS SECTION OF WHERE THE ROAD IS WHERE PARKING MAY OR MAY NOT BE ALONG THE ROAD AND WHERE THE SIDEWALK ISN'T, WHERE THE TREES ARE IT'S ALL EXACTLY THE SAME REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THIS IS GOING TO BE A 70 FOOT RIGHT AWAY OR 50 FOOT

RIGHT. >> IF WE KNOW IT'S A MIDPOINT BOULEVARD.

>> YES. TO THE THE REST OF MIDPOINT BOULEVARD IS THIS ONE USED FOR ON TOP OF THE SECOND AREA. ALL RIGHT. SO THE MAJORITY OF MIDPOINT BOULEVARD IS A UNLOADED ROAD SECTION WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE VERY END OF IT.

SO IT TRULY IS A BOULEVARD IS DIVIDED WHEN YOU COME IN THE INTENT NEVER ONCE.

ONCE YOU COME THROUGH THE GATE OR IF AGAIN GATE MAY MOVE UP FRONT.

BUT ONCE YOU COME THROUGH THIS INTERSECTION THE INTENT WAS TO HAVE A TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD STREET WITH A LOADED ROAD NOT UNLOADED. SO WE'RE PROVIDING THE SIDEWALKS FOR PROVIDING PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY. WE'RE PROVIDING THE OPEN SPACE AT I DON'T SEE WHY THIS ROAD WOULD NEED TO BE THAT WIDE AT THE END OF THE DAY.

>> WELL, I THINK THAT DESERVES THE COMMENT WAS TO INCORPORATE ON STREET PARKING MEDIANS OR TRAFFIC CIRCLES. AGAIN, IT'S A LOADED ROAD. IF IT WAS ON LOADED ROAD, I THINK THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE GREAT. BUT IT WOULDN'T WORK WITH THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE. AND I THINK WE DID ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC CALMING.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE FOUR WAY STOPS WAS ALSO OPTION THAT WAS DISCUSSED.

DRC WILL DEFINITELY INCLUDE THOSE IN THE PLAINS. YEAH.

YOU CAN SEE WE'VE FURTHER ILLUSTRATED AS FROM DRC CHARLIE I THINK YOU MAY REMEMBER THE PARKING WAS I'D SAY PROBABLY POORLY ILLUSTRATED ON THE ORIGINAL PLAN WE'VE ADDED THE PARKING SYMBOLS TO CALL OUT THE SEVERAL AREAS FOR THE PLUS OR MINUS 50 ADDITIONAL STALLS THAT

WE'RE GOING TO PROPOSE OVERFLOW PARKING HERE. >> IN ADDITION THAT'S ON TOP

OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE AT THE AMENITY. >> YOU SAID YOU MIGHT MOVE THAT GATE FORWARD OF WHERE IT'S CURRENTLY SHOWN. YES.

SO THAT AGAIN I THINK IT'S UP TO THE EXISTING H YOUR WAY OF MIDPOINT.

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WHAT IS THE TIME FRAME OF THAT VOTE? DANA, ANY DOCUMENTATION FOR ME THAT'S A THAT WHATEVER THE FORUM. YEAH.

ON MONDAY FOR THE 21 DAYS NOTICE WHEN SHE GOES BY. >> IF THEY WERE UP TO WAIT 21

DAYS. >> YEAH. THERE'S AN ONGOING DISCUSSION WITH THE PMA MIDPOINT AND US ON A FEW THINGS ONE OF WHICH IS YOU KNOW THEY WANT TO BE A PART OF THE AMENITY MAINTENANCE OF MIDPOINT ROAD. THERE IS NO MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WITH THAT. SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO HELP ON THE MAINTENANCE ON A PRO RATA SHARE LANDSCAPING. WHERE DO WE PLACE THE GATE? JUST.

BUT WHAT WE DO SIDEWALKS THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS ON MIDPOINT BOULEVARD A STAFF HAS REQUESTED. WE'VE AGREED TO INSTALL IF THEY'LL ALLOW US TO BECAUSE WE DON'T OWN IT. SO IT'S A DISCUSSION THAT'S BEING HAD.

IT'S BEEN VERY AMENABLE. WE HAD A COMMUNITY WORKSHOP VERY A LOT OF POSITIVE FEEDBACK ,A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC IN THE SECONDARY ACCESS FOR SURE.

AND AS WELL AS SOME BUFFERING ALONG THEIR EXISTING PHASE ONE WHICH WE'VE AGREED TO ACCOMMODATE AS WELL. BUT THAT IS JUST A HSA ASSOCIATION VERSUS ASSOCIATION DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH RIGHT NOW. WELL, YOU BROUGHT UP SECONDARY

ACCESS WITH THIS MAP UP HERE. >> WHERE IS IT GOING TO BE? >> SO ESSENTIALLY AT ALL WE'RE GOING TO PARALLEL IT. WE'RE PUNCH THROUGH THE BUFFER BECAUSE THERE'S A 50 FOOT BUFFER ON OUR SIDE AND THEIR SIDE OF THE PEA AND THE WILL BE THE POMONA BLUFF PD ON THAT SIDE. SO WE'RE GONNA PUNCH THROUGH BOTH BUFFERS AND THEN PARALLEL THAT BUFFER OUT TO THE NEAREST ROAD AND WHERE APPROXIMATELY I MEAN THAT IT'S IT'S GONNA PUNCH OUT FROM WHERE THE FRONT AND CENTER PARALLEL AND TIE IN HERE.

>> WHAT SHE'S WONDERED IS THE SAME THING AS ME IS PUT PUT PUT THAT ON THE ROAD IN THIS MAP WHERE IT'S GONNA POP OUT OF GENERALLY RIGHT AROUND THERE.

OKAY. THAT'S WHAT YOU GET GETS BUT THIS IS JUST AN EXHIBIT.

AND AS AN EXHIBIT THAT CITY BEGINS MY POINT IS OUT AT THE EXISTING CURB CUT ON NEW

RIVERSIDE. >> THEY HAVE A GATE THERE. IT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO THE EXISTING GATE THAT THEY USE TO ACCESS IT. SO THEY'RE LATER.

YEAH IT'S IN CAN YOU PROVIDE A COPY OF THAT STAFF TO SEND TO US JUST FOR CURIOSITY, RICHARD

? >> ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULDN'T IF I WAS DOING THIS PLAN I'D LIKE TO SEE THERE'S THESE BROAD CONNECTIONS THAT EXIST IN THE OLD MASTER PLAN.

>> THE TOTAL AND THAT THESE ROADS EXIST. YOU KNOW WHAT WAS DEVELOPED EXISTS AND SO IT SETS UP THIS DIALOG OF SAYING WE'RE GOING TO CONNECT TO THE BACK PART OF THIS COMMUNITY AND YOU'VE BASICALLY TURNED YOUR BACK TO IT THAT EXISTING PORTION AND SAID WE'RE NOT CONNECTING TO THAT. YOU'VE GOT THAT ROAD THAT RUNS

TOWARDS DIRECTIONS I'M SURE WAS THERE TO THE NORTH. >> THAT KIND OF STARTS TO BEND AROUND AND THEN DOESN'T CONNECT TO THE ROADWAY WITHIN THIS NEW EXPANSION.

NOT NECESSARILY REQUIRING THAT THE ROAD THAT COMES AROUND THAT GREEN SPACE THAT THEN RUNS HORIZONTALLY IN THE PAGE TO ALSO CONNECT BUT THAT LITTLE STUB WOULD BE REALLY NICE IF IT DID CONNECT. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S GOING TO BE KIND OF CONTINGENT UPON WHETHER THIS OLD SECTION OF MIDPOINT WANTS TO JOIN THE SECTION.

THIS NEW MIDPOINT SECTION. WELL, LET ME CLARIFY ONE PIECE FOR.

>> SO ONCE YOU GET TO HERE THE ROAD STOPS. SO THE RIGHT AWAY WAS RECORDED FOR THAT STUB OUT. I'LL CALL IT BUT THAT ROAD IS NOT BUILT.

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WHERE DOES THE ROAD END AND THAT INTERSECT THAT YELLOW SQUARE THAT'S NORTH OF THERE.

HOW WHAT IS THAT AND HOW IS IT ACCESS THAT IS A PIECE OF PROPERTY OWNED BY THE PGA OR HLA WHICHEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. AND AGAIN THAT THIS RIGHT AWAY IN THAT PARCEL IS OWNED BY THE PEOPLE. OK.

WELL, IF THAT EVEN IF THAT'S THE CASE, I STILL THINK THAT THIS SECTION OF ROAD NEEDS TO CONNECT. IT'S I KNOW IN THE WORKSHOP IT WAS DISCUSSED THEY WANTED THIS

BUFFER. >> WE'VE ACTUALLY THEY WANT THIS LADY TO GET THE WORDS ABOUT THIS WORKSHOP IMMEDIATELY PRODUCTIVE. YES, SIR.

>> I'M SORRY WE CAN'T HEAR YOU . >> IT WOULD BE NICE IF AS YOU HAVE THESE CONTINUED CONVERSATIONS WITH OLD SECTION OF MIDPOINT WHEN YOU'RE STARTING TO TALK ABOUT THOSE GATES WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT THESE ROADWAY CONNECTIONS, I WANT THAT ADDRESSED AS PART OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS OUTLINING IT REALLY DOCUMENTS GIVING DOCUMENTATION OF I MEAN I UNDERSTAND THAT WE CANNOT EXPECT ALL PORTION TO BE OR YOU CAN'T EXPECT OUTSIDE AGENCY APPROVAL FOR THIS BUT THIS IS ALL PART OF ONE COMMUNITY. SO TO ME I THINK THAT THEY HAVE A STRONG STATEMENT TO MAKE ABOUT WHAT LEVEL OF INCLUSION THAT THEY WANT AND MAYBE RICHARDSON HAS ADDITIONAL TO

ADD ABOUT THE LEGALITIES OF ASKING FOR THAT. >> BUT I CERTAINLY THINK THAT THEY NEED TO BE PROVIDING DOCUMENTATION OF WHAT THEIR DESIRED LEVEL OF CONNECTION OR LACK THEREOF AND BUFFERING THAT THEY DESIRE AS A PART OF THIS. THE OTHER BUT IN THAT I HAVE ON THIS IS THESE OLD MASTER PLAN HAS SEVERAL PRODUCTS, HAS A MULTIPLE LOT SIZES, IT HAS TOWNHOMES ON IT AND THIS IS ONE TYPE OF PRODUCT AND I THINK THAT THERE IS A RICHNESS IN A COMMUNITY THAT HAS A MULTIPLE TYPE PRODUCT AND I THINK THAT THE WAY THE ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN WAS LAID OUT. WAS WRITTEN TOWARDS THAT AND THESE PEOPLE HAD THIS EXPECTATION OF WHO THESE NEIGHBORS ARE GOING TO BE ADJACENT HIM, THE KIND OF COMMUNITY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE CONNECTED WITH. SO THE FACT THAT THESE ARE ALL ONE TYPE OF PRODUCT THAT AREN'T MATCHING YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD NO YET.

NO. SO THERE ARE MULTIPLE LOT SIZES THAT ARE PROPOSED.

THIS PLAN AND MULTIPLE PRODUCT LINES AND VARIOUS WITH SOME PRODUCTS WHERE WE PLAN TO DO CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE AT THE LANDINGS IN THE RIVERSIDE WHERE THERE WILL BE 52 FOOT WIDE AND 65 FOOT WIDE LOTS ACCOMMODATING VARIOUS SIZE PRODUCTS.

>> CAN YOU PROVIDE CLARIFICATION OF THAT ON THIS PLAN WHERE THAT'S GOING TO BE?

>> YES. >> WE COULD I GUESS OUR INTENT WAS HERE THAT WE WERE MODIFYING

THE MASTER PLAN AND NOT THAT WE WEREN'T NEEDING TO DRAW. >> I'M NOT SAYING IDENTIFY EVERY SINGLE LOT. I'M SAYING THIS BLOCK IS A 50 FOOT LONG.

THIS FAR IT'S A 60 FOOT LONG. THIS LOT 70 FELT LIKE SOME IDEA OF WHERE THAT'S GOING AND HOW THAT'S CONFIGURED SIMILAR TO THE NATURE OF WHICH THIS WHOLE MASTER PLAN DOES.

I UNDERSTAND BY THE WAY THAT YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY OBLIGATED TO THOSE EXACT LINES BECAUSE YES. I THINK THAT THAT'S ABSOLUTELY THAT CAN BE A CONDITION WE

WOULD PROVIDE THAT AS WELL. THERE'S NO PROBLEM. >> MR. LOGAN, I BELIEVE THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH SOME OF THE CRITERIA. SO PT. 4 CRITERIA IS UNDER THE IDEA. I THINK THAT THERE'S ARGUABLY CONSISTENCY WHEN COMMENTS REALLY ARE OVER. I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTIONS. I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THAT NEW CONNECTION IS PART OF YOUR CURRENTLY PLANNED PHASE TO A SO.

WOULD THAT BE MOVED TO A PHASE ONE YET? >> YES, ABSOLUTELY.

NOW THAT WE HAVE A SECONDARY ACCESS WE'RE GOING TO USE THAT AS CONSTRUCTION AND PUT IT IN

OUR FIRST PHASE AS WELL. >> THE NEXT STEP ON THIS APPROVAL PROCESS THIS IS NOT COME BACK FOR REVIEW BUT LOOK BEFORE US BEFORE ANY DRC IT JUST GOES TO TOWN COUNCIL.

IS THAT CORRECT? FOR AN AMENDMENT? YES.

YOU'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TELL KIND OF WHEN I HAVE A HARD TIME WITH THAT WITHOUT SEEING WHAT THIS PLAN LOOKS LIKE WITHOUT SECONDARY AND WITHOUT THAT SECONDARY ACCESS SHOWN OR

HAVING A HARD TIME WITHOUT THOSE SLOTS SHOWN. >> IF I COULD THIS MIGHT HELP

AND WE CAN ALWAYS DISCUSS IT AND CHANGE IT IF WE NEED TO. >> BUT WHAT I'M ABOUT TO RECOMMEND FOR A MOTION OR THE MOTION OF RIBAUT MAKE IS BASED PARTLY ON THE FACT THAT WE CANNOT TABLE THIS, WE CANNOT PAUSE THIS. WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION

TONIGHT AND SEND IT TO COUNCIL. >> IS THAT CORRECT? SO YOU HAVE A IF THE APPLICANT CONSENTS YOU CERTAINLY CAN TAKE TABLE YET AS WE SAW EARLIER THIS EVENING.

AS LONG AS THE APPLICANT CONCERNS YOU CAN CERTAINLY TABLE IT IN PARTICULAR IF IT'S TO GET MORE INFORMATION AND UPDATE THE PLAN BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY THE PLAN THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE RECOMMENDING SUBJECT TO CERTAIN CONDITIONS MAY BE CHANGED SUBSTANTIALLY OR

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>> SO YOU CAN CERTAINLY ASK THE APPLICANT AND IF THE APPLICANT IS A MEMBER OF THAT THEN I THINK THAT'S A WISE PLAN. IT WOULD ALSO PROVIDE THE PUBLIC ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK UP ON IT BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN SO LATE IN THE EVENING AND THERE'S BEEN LIMITED PUBLIC COMMENT THAT I DON'T WANT TO GO IN TO MAKE MENTION OF THAT WHICH I'D LIKE FOR THE APPLICANT TO STATE ANYTHING ABOUT WHETHER THEY'D BE WILLING TO HAVE THIS TABLED UNTIL NEXT

MEETING. >> THIS INFORMATION I'M I'M TRYING TO DIGEST ALL THAT A LITTLE BIT. I WILL SAY SO HELP ME OUT BEFORE I ANSWER THAT.

THE THOUGHT HERE IS THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE A COMPLETE I DON'T SEE THAT OUR LAND PLAN OR OUR PLAN HERE CHANGING SIGNIFICANTLY BASED ON A SECONDARY ACCESS POINT.

SO I THINK THE CONDITION OF US PROVIDING THAT AND INCORPORATING THAT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO MOVE FORWARD. RTI WILL BE DONE AND IT WILL BE INCORPORATED WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT PLANS AND THE MITIGATION EFFORTS THAT ARE REQUIRED OF THAT WE PLAN TO DO AND WE'RE WE'RE ONBOARD WITH THAT. SO I DON'T SEE US COMING BACK HERE WITH A TRAFFIC IMPACT THAT WOULD TAKE US PROBABLY TWO MONTHS FROM NOW AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT TIME. I THINK ALSO THE COMMUNITY THIS THE OLD MIDPOINT SECTION AND THEIR RESPONSE TO THIS IN TERMS OF HOW CONNECTED OR DISCONNECTED IT CHANGES WHERE THAT GATE IS, HOW WHAT KIND OF IT CHANGES TRAFFIC PATTERNS. I MEAN ESSENTIALLY I MEAN RIGHT NOW WHERE YOU'VE GOT THAT GATE BACKS THAT TRAFFIC YOU KNOW IF THEY'RE STACKING IT'S HAPPENING

IN FRONT OF THOSE LOTS OF IT. >> THERE'S THERE'S A LOT ABOUT THIS IN TERMS OF HOW THAT'S CONNECTED OR NOT CONNECTED TO THE OLD TO THEIR TO THEIR PORTION THAT I THINK IT COULD AND POSSIBLY WOULD IMPACT THE NATURE OF THIS PLAN THAT THEY SPECIFICALLY ASKED THAT WE KEEP THAT WE MAKE THAT BUFFER LARGER AND THIS IS WHERE WE ARE NOW AND THAT WE MAY KEEP IT NATURAL AND WE TOLD THEM THAT WE WOULD AGREE TO NOT EVEN UNDERBRUSH IT WHICH IS WE HAD PLANNED TO UNDERBRUSH IT. THEY WANTED IT NOT EVEN UNDERBRUSH LEAVE IT NATURAL SO THAT THEY COULDN'T SEE THE DEVELOPMENT WHILE THEY'RE LIVING IN THEIR HOMES.

AND SO THAT THAT THIS IS LIKE A FUNCTION OF THAT COLLABORATION .

>> I'M JUST HAVING A HARD TIME WITH I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN WRITING FROM THEM THAT SAYS THE LEVEL OF CONNECTED OR STORE DISCONNECTED THEY'RE ASKING FOR. I DON'T HAVE ANY TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS TELLING ME WHAT'S GOING ON. YOU KNOW, OUT WITH THE CURRENT STATEMENT THERE IS OUTDATED SERVICE LETTERS. THERE'S JUST A LOT OF PIECES TO THIS THAT ARE REALLY SOMETHING THAT WE CAN HOLD ON TO WITH GREAT CONFIDENCE AND SAY OH YEAH, WE STAND BEHIND THIS TOWN COUNCIL. THAT'S MY THAT'S THE HARD PART FOR ME.

HERE'S WHAT HERE'S WHAT MY MAIN CONCERNS ISSUES AREN'T RESOLVED WITH THE CURRENT MIDPOINT OWNERS. THE SECONDARY ROAD AGREEMENT HAS NOT BEEN PROVIDED NOR HAVE UPDATED DRAWINGS. OBVIOUSLY IT HAPPENED TODAY. NOT ALL LETTERS ARE UPDATED OR EVEN PROOF OF REQUESTS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED. THOSE ARE THOSE ARE THE THREE MAJOR ONES AND I'M I'M GOING TO BE FLAT HONEST WITH YOU. I'M ABOUT TO RECOMMEND MAKE A MOTION AND MAKE IT OKAY. I MOVE THAT WE RECOMMEND TO TOWN COUNCIL TO DENY THE APPLICATION OF THE PROPOSED MASTERPLAN AMENDMENT FOR MIDPOINT FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS THAT THE ISSUES HAVE NOT BEEN FULLY RESOLVED WITH THE CURRENT MIDPOINT OWNERS THAT THE SECONDARY ROAD AGREEMENT BALL BEING TOLD OF IT TODAY HAS NOT BEEN PROVIDED AND DRAWINGS HAVE NOT BEEN UPDATED AND THAT NOT ALL LETTERS HAVE BEEN UPDATED OR EVEN PROOF

OF REQUEST OF UPDATES HAVE BEEN PROVIDED. >> HOWEVER, IF COUNCIL DOES CHOOSE TO APPROVE WE REQUEST THAT THEY ADD THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ALONG WITH UPDATED UTILITY LETTERS AND RESOLVING ISSUES WITH THE CURRENT MIDPOINT OWNERS WAS A LONG ONE SECOND THAT WAS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I WAS MORE OF THE MINDSET THAT WE COULD SEE THIS IF THEY ARE WILLING TO TABLE IT. I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK I NEED TO SEE THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS TO APPROVE THIS COUNCIL IF THERE IS A SECONDARY

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I DON'T PERSONALLY THINK IF THEY HAVE THE SECONDARY ACCESS WE NEED TO WAIT FOR THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS TO BE DONE. SO I WOULD PREFER TO TABLE IT WITH EVERYTHING OTHER THAN THE

TRAFFIC IMPACT WILL BE IF THEY AGREE TO IT. >> OH YEAH IF THEY AGREE TO A DEAL WE HAVE A WE HAVEN'T HAD A MOTION ON THE FLOOR SO WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT MOTION. BUT SOME INFORMATION THAT MAYBE THAT IN ADDITION TO THAT THAT DECISION IS THE APPLE THE HAVEN'T JUST ASKED IF YA'LL WOULD CONSIDER TABLING IT SO THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE THE INFORMATION REGARDING THE SECONDARY ACCESS AND SO THE INFORMATION THAT WAS REQUESTED IN LIGHT IN LIGHT OF THE MOTION AND AND MR. COMPLIMENTS ABOUT THE NECESSITY OF THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS SUDDENLY NOT ESSENTIAL TO BEING ABLE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. SO YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE YOU GET IT VOTE ON THAT MOTION SINCE IT IS PENDING. BUT DO YOU KNOW OR IF YOU WANT TO GO WITH A MOVE TABLES ARE THERE WILLING TO DO THAT? SO TO BE CLEAR TO BE CLEAR ON THIS POINT BOTH THE MOTION DOWN THEN WE CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO TABLE WITH THE APPLICANTS AGREED.

THAT'S THE SECOND IT WAS SETTLED AND WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF DISCUSSION.

>> WE'RE IN DISCUSSION. YOU CAN'T TALK BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND.

>> SO COMMISSIONER, WHAT MADE THE MOTION? COMMISSIONER DUNCAN SECONDED IT

IS BEING DISCUSSED AGAIN IF THEY RELATED TO ME. >> IF WE IF WE VOTE THIS DENIAL DOWN THEN HOW DO WE COME BACK AND SAY HOW DO WE JUST GO DOWN TO A MOTION TO TAKE? THEY MADE THE APPLICANT DOESN'T NEED TO SAY ANYTHING. THEY'VE ALREADY SPOKEN OFTEN AND CONFIRMED THAT THEY ARE AGAINST IT. UNDERSTAND THE LANGUAGE

OF VOTING IT DOWN. JUSTICE WILL PREVAIL. >> SO I KNOW BUT THEN HOW DO I READ BRING UP THEN WE CAN MAKE ANOTHER MOTION. OKAY SO YEAH YOU JUST SAY AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO DENY YOU WOULD AND I WOULD ASSUME THAT YOU WOULD BE

AGAINST IT. >> OKAY. AND THEN WHEN I DO A MOTION TO TABLE SO THEN HARBORS IN FAVOR TO DENY ALL ALL THOSE OPPOSED I DID NOT YET.

NOW IT REALLY ISN'T A WELL MY FACE IF IT HELPS I CAN MAKE A MOTION TO NOW WITH THE PLACE.

>> OKAY. I MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE WITH THE APPLICANT'S AGREEMENT SO THAT THE APPLICANT CAN PROVIDE PROOF OF A REQUEST AND OR RECEIPT OF UTILITY LETTERS.

CRM AND ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS UPDATED LETTERS THE SECONDARY ROAD ACCESS AGREEMENT ALONG WITH UPDATED MAPS AS TO WHERE THAT'S GOING TO BE A RESOLUTION OF ISSUES WITH THE CURRENT

HOMEOWNERS TO DEAL WITH WHERE THE CASE IS GOING TO GO. >> SO ON AND IF I CAN AND IF I CAN JUST JUMP IN AND I'M SO SORRY THIS IS LATE AND WE'RE ALL GOING CROSS-EYED.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT CONDITIONING APPROVAL OF A THIRD PARTY RESOLUTION IS THE WRONG WORD. LET ME RESTATE THAT PROOF OF MEETINGS WITH CURRENT HOMEOWNERS TO DISCUSS ISSUES AND ANY UPDATE TO THE FOUR STAFF RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.

>> UNDERSTANDING CIA CAN'T BE DONE UNTIL AFTER SCHOOL STARTS LOVING MAN MAPS HERE IF I MAY

JUST TO RESTATE EVERYBODY'S BEEN IN THAT AREA. >> WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED MAKING MOTION TO TABLE SO THAT THE APPLICANT CAN HAVE SUFFICIENT AMOUNT OF TIME TO BRING BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVAL REQUEST UPDATE LETTERS OF SERVICE FROM UTILITIES TO A GOOD DEAL AT OCR AND OTHERS TO PROVIDE PROOF OF THE SECONDARY ROAD ACCESS TO PROVIDE PROOF OF MEETINGS AND COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE IMPACTED OWNERS OF THE BASE.

BASED ON A MIDPOINT AND TO PROVIDE UPDATES AS TO STAFF'S STATED RECOMMENDATION AND THEIR STAFF REPORT THAT WOULD MEAN A SECOND IN ANY OTHER DISCUSSION .

>> ALL IN FAVOR. THOSE. SO IS THERE ANY FURTHER

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DISCUSSION FROM THE DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT? >> NOT SO MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJ

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