Jul 11, 2022 County Council Regular Session

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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ONE. >> WELCOME TO THE COUNTY COUNCIL MEETING MONDAY, JULY 11TH. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO START AT SIX O'CLOCK BUT IT IS NOW SIX 13.

I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER WITH THE CLERK.

PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. WE ARE A HYBRID GROUP THIS EVENING WHICH MEANS WE HAVE SEVERAL OF COUNCIL PEOPLE HERE IN COUNTY COUNCIL BUT WE DO HAVE SEVERAL ON LINE.

SO AS YOUR NAME IS CALLED, WOULD YOU PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU ARE PRESENT FOR THE

MEETING? >> CHAIRMAN POSSIBLE. YES, I'M HERE.

>> VISE CHAIRMAN SOMERVILLE PRESENT ONLINE COUNCIL MEMBER GLOVER HERE FOR THEM COUNCIL PURPOSE ON PRESENT COUNCIL MEMBER RUDMAN PRESENT COUNCIL MEMBER HOWARD HERE COUNCIL

MEMBER LAWSON MARK LAWSON PRESIDENT IN PERSON. >> HELPFUL MEMBER MIC.

ELLEN IS AN ONLINE A MEMBER DOLPHIN RESIDENT AND ONLINE COUNCIL MEMBER FLEW ALONG PRESENT ONLINE AND COUNCIL MEMBER CUNNINGHAM PRESENT IN CHAMBERS.

>> OK WE DO HAVE ALL ELEVEN MEMBERS IN COUNCIL IN LINE TO CONDUCT THE BUSINESS.

WOULD YOU ALL RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE FOLLOWED BY THE INVOCATION SO PLEASE REMAIN STANDING. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND

JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR

FIRST OF ALL TO MEET HERE TODAY LORD. >> THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T TAKE FOR GRANTED. AND I HOPE THAT NEVER COMES TO THAT POINT.

LORD. WE JUST THINK THAT OPPORTUNITY REPRESENTS YOU COUNTY AND WE PRAY THE DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE UP HERE, WHETHER WE AGREE OR DISAGREE ARE ALWAYS ON THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE COUNTY AND THE PEOPLE AND YOUR NAME WE PRAY MAN HEY, PUBLIC NOTICE OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN PUBLISHED POSTED AND DISTRIBUTED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SOUTH

[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

CAROLINA FREEDOM INFORMATION ACT. >> I WOULD ASK A MEMBER OF COUNTY COUNCIL TO AMEND THE AGENDA TONIGHT TO MOVE ITEM EIGHT AND SEVEN.

WE'RE GOING TO FLIP THOSE SO EIGHT WILL BECOME SEVEN AND SEVEN WILL BECOME EIGHT.

SO MAY I HAVE THAT MOTION OR MOVED AS SUGGESTED ROGER HAS MADE THE MOTION A SECOND.

MR. LAWSON HAS MADE THE SECOND. IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING THE AGENDA ITEMS SEVEN EIGHT AROUND SEEING NONE THAT IS APPROVED WITHOUT OBJECTION. THEREFORE I WILL ASK A MEMBER

OF COUNCIL NOW TO APPROVE THE AMENDED AGENDA. >> MR. RODMAN MAKES THE MOTION.

MR. LAWSON MAKES THE SECOND DOOLEY MOTION THEN SECONDED. I SEE NO OBJECTIONS FOR THE

AMENDED AGENDA. >> YOU WANT A YEAR? >> DO YOU WANT ME TO DO THAT AS PART OF THIS? OK. ALL RIGHT.

I WOULD ASK FOR A SECOND AMENDMENT BEFORE WE APPROVE THE AMENDED AGENDA TO POSTPONE ITEM NUMBER 17 TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING WHICH WILL BE AUGUST 8TH.

>> I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION WE POSTPONE. WHAT NUMBER THAT 17.

ITEM NUMBER 17. >> UNTIL AUGUST 8TH. OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.

THE MOTION SECONDED BY MISS HOWARD. >> IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION?

>> WELL, I STILL SEE ITS LEADERS ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS IF WE PASS THIS IS AT THE END OF THE DISCUSSION. OR ARE WE STILL GOING TO DISCUSS IT?

>> NO. WE WILL HAVE THE SECOND READING NEXT TIME AND HOPEFULLY SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE ARISEN. WE WILL ALREADY HAVE THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED. SO I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IF I WANT TO SPEAK, NOW'S THE TIME TO SPEAK. YEAH, OK. A COUPLE OF COMMENTS RELATIVE TO THIS IS I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT WE HAVE TWO TO TWO LANDINGS THAT WE WERE INTERESTED IN ACQUIRING. WELL WAIT A SECOND. YOU'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY SPEAK ON THE TOPIC. THE MOTION IS WHETHER WE WANT TO POSTPONE IT OR NOT.

>> RIGHT. SO DO I GET TO SPEAK SOMETIME DURING THE MEETING ON? YES. OK. THEN I'LL WAIT UNTIL THAT TIME IF IT'S POSTPONE. NO. WELL YOU DON'T HAVE TO.

>> WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE WORDING ON TO POSTPONE BUT WE CAN STILL DISCUSS IT.

NO, NO, NO, NO. SO THE THE ACTUAL MOTION IS TO POSTPONE YOUR OBJECTION.

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>> GOOD TO SPEAK TO THE MOTION JUST A MATTER WHEN I DO IT. >> WELL, YOU SEE STILL IT WON'T BE A MOTION FOR TODAY'S JANDA. IF YOU REMOVE IT TODAY MY SPEAK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO VOTE ON FRAME'S COUNTERPRODUCTIVE TO ME NOW BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING I DO

WANT TO SPEAK SO I AT IT AT THE CITIZENS COMMENT. >> YOU CAN CERTAINLY KNOW WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR RIGHT TO THE ELBOWS PONE AN ITEM.

>> OK. SO WHEN THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING YOU WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT THE

ITEM NOT POSTPONING IT. >> WELL, I WANT TO SPEAK TO THE FACT RELATED FACTS SOMETHING

THAT I THINK NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN PARALLEL. >> I CAN BE BRIEF.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK YOU HAVE THE DISCRETION. YOU'RE CORRECT.

COUNCILMAN ROBIN WANTS TO DISCUSS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT RELEVANT TO THE MOTION BUT SPECIFICALLY BUT YOU HAVE THE DISCRETION TO ALLOW IT. CAN YOU BE BRIEF?

>> I CAN BE BRIEF. OK. OK.

WE KNOW AND LOVE YOU BUT BREVITY ISN'T READY FOR YOU EARLY.

I PREFER YOUR VOCABULARY AT TIMES. WELL, WE HAVE TWO LANDINGS THAT WE WANT TO ACQUIRE. THE STAFF STUDIED ALTERNATIVES AND THERE WERE FOUR RELATIVE TO HILTON HEAD AND THE HILTON HEAD. ONE MAKES A LOT OF MAKES A LOT OF SENSE BECAUSE IT INCLUDES NOT ONLY A LANDING BUT PARKING AND PARKING IS THE CREW THE FERRY THE FERRY IS THE KEY TO THE FRISKY RELATIVE TO UNDER FUSCA THERE WERE FOUR THAT WERE LOOKED AT. THE STAFF RECOMMENDED ONE WHICH IS THE ONE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND THERE MAY BE A LITTLE BIT OF MISUNDERSTANDING HERE. MY SENSE WAS THAT COUNSEL WAS ASKED WHETHER WE WANTED TO HAVE THE STAFF NEGOTIATE ON THE LANDING AND WE WERE TOLD THEN THAT THERE WAS NO NEGOTIATION, THAT THE PARTY WAS NOT WILLING TO NEGOTIATE.

SO WE CAME BACK AND WE SAID WE'LL CONDEMN IT NOW I DO THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO POSTPONE IT.

HOWEVER, IT DOES SEEM TO ME THAT WHAT I LEARNED THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BUYING MELROSE I HAVE A PENDING CLOSING IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME IN EARLY AUGUST AND THAT THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE MAY HAMPER OR MAY MESS UP THAT PARTICULAR DEAL. SO TO JUST POSTPONE IT MAY ACTUALLY COMPROMISE WHAT WOULD BE A GOOD PURCHASE FOR THE COUNTY.

>> NOW IT SEEMS TO ME FROM WHAT I SEE IS THAT FOR WHAT WE WANT AND WHAT THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO ACQUIRE MELROSE WANT ARE PROBABLY RELATIVELY SIMILAR AND IT PROBABLY DOESN'T MAKE TOO MUCH DIFFERENCE WHAT THE MECHANISM IS. AND SO MY THOUGHT IS THAT IN THIS INTERVENING PERIOD THE STAFF SHOULD MEET WITH THE MELROSE FOLKS AND SEE IF THEY CAN COME UP WITH A MEMO OF UNDERSTANDING THAT WOULD BE SATISFACTORY TO BOTH GROUPS.

BUT I AM CONCERNED IF ALL WE DO IS POSTPONE IT TO AUGUST AND THEN THERE'S A CLOSING WAS PENDING DOESN'T HAPPEN. SO THAT'S THAT'S MY MY THOUGHT OF WHAT WE SHOULD DO.

>> BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO WHAT YOU SAID. MR. CUNNINGHAM, I WILL OBJECT THE POSTPONEMENT. JUST ONE OF OUR RECORD FOR THAT.

BUT THE REASON FOR THAT IS IT IS HINDERING THE POSSIBLE PURCHASE OF THIS PROPERTY.

I KNOW THAT THEY PUT IN AN EXTRA 60 DAYS OF CLOSING BEFORE WE EVEN MOVE FORWARD AND THAT SORT OF DID OPEN UP THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO EXPLORE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT SAYS A BIG OPPORTUNITY FOR DUVAL COUNTY FOR THIS PROPERTY TO CLOSE OR NOT CLOSE.

THIS WOULD ONLY MOVE FORWARD TO I BELIEVE THE SECOND READING. SO THERE'S THE SECOND READING GOING INTO THE THIRD READING SO THEY'LL GIVE US ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO POSTPONE IT ON THIRD READING. I SAID THE SAME BEFORE AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED AND WE DECIDED TO VOTE ON IT TODAY. HAVE THE OPEN DIALOG AND THE BIGGEST THING IS TO. IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE HERE THAT CAME OUT TOGETHER DISCUSSION ON MELROSE PLACE. I DO THINK THAT THAT TIME AND EFFORT THEY PUT IN DESERVES ARE AT LEAST DIALOG OPENLY IN FRONT OF ALL THEM FROM TAKING THAT EFFORT AS WELL. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? MR. JOHN? YEAH, REAL QUICK. WE PROVIDE ADDITIONAL CONTACTS TO THE PUBLIC AS FAR AS LOBBY. YES. AND MR. GREENWAY WILL HAVE SOME COMMENTS WHEN HE DOES HIS PRESENTATION, HIS ADMINISTRATOR PRESENTATION.

>> BUT TRUST ME, WE YOU KNOW, THE BOTTOM LINE IS BOTH GROUPS WANT TO DO THE SAME THING.

IT'S HOW WE APPROACH IT. >> AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE SEEKING A POSTPONEMENT AT THIS TIME

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ANYTHING. >> WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND YOU WERE THE SECOND

MR. RUDMAN. >> YOU STILL WANT TO BE THE SECOND TO POSTPONE A SECOND FOR

DISCUSSION. OKAY. >> WE HAVE A MOTION IN SECOND.

WE HAVE I BELIEVE DISCUSSED THIS. SO WE'RE NOW GOING TO TAKE A

VOTE. >> WILL THE CLERK PLEASE CONDUCT THE VOTE? MR. LAWSON WILL BE FIRST BECAUSE HE MADE THE MOTION MR. RODMAN WILL BE SECOND AND THEN HOWEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THE REMAINDER OF THE ROLL I GO LAST I COUNT THE NUMBER THAT MARK

LAWSON. >> YES. >> I CAN'T REMEMBER RODMAN NO

VISE CHAIRMAN SOME RIBAUT. >> YES. HELPFUL MEMBER GLOVER IS

COUNCIL MEMBER HARVISON YES. >> COUNCIL MEMBER LAWSON. OH I'M SORRY ARE YOU CALLED COUNCIL MEMBER HOWARD? I APOLOGIZE. YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER MCKELLEN YES. YES IT'S A MEMBER DOLPHIN. YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER FLO ELLING YES. IT'S A MEMBER KIND OF HAM NOW AND CHAIRMAN YES.

>> BY MY COUNT IT'S NINE YES TO NO. YES SIR.

OK, SO THE AGENDA HAS BEEN AMENDED TO REMOVE ITEM NUMBER 17.

SO NOW WE NEED A MOTION AND SECOND FOR THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE INTO THE AGENDA FLIPPING SEVEN AND EIGHT AND REMOVES IT REMOVING 17 A MOTION PLEASE MOVE MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> MR. MCKELLEN MAKES THE MOTION SECOND MR. RAGLAN MAKES THE SECOND DOOLEY MOTION DIDN'T

SECOND FOR THE AMENDED AGENDA. >> ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS ELIJAH OBJECTS.

OKAY. ONE OBJECTION MOTION IS CARRIED.

>> 10 YES. 1 NO. OK.

[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - April 11, 2022; April 18, 2022; and April 21, 2022]

>> MAY I HAVE NO MOTION A? MR. CHAIRMAN. >> MR. MCKELLEN MAKES THE MOTION A SECOND PLEASE. SECOND MR. GLOVER MAKES THE SECOND.

DULY MOTIONED AND SECONDED. ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS SAYING NO OBJECTIONS.

[6. ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT]

MR. GREENWAY. GOOD EVENING, SIR. MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> GOOD EVEN. AND YOU AND COUNSELS AND EVERYONE WHO'S ON THE TENANTS HERE IN CHAMBERS AND ONLINE. THE FIRST THING I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT FOR YOU TONIGHT IS THE FIRST VIOLIN FAIRY. I WILL BE GOING OVER TO THE FUSCA ALLEN TOMORROW FOR A MEETING AT THREE THIRTY WITH THE DEFUNCT GALLON COUNT. SO I WILL GIVE AN UPDATE TO EVERYONE THERE TOMORROW ON OUR PLANS TO PROCEED WITH PURCHASE OF THE MILITARY TO MELROSE LANDING WHILE WE MADE THE DECISION THAT WE MAY WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY. THAT DOES NOT PRECLUDE US FROM EXPLORING OTHER OPTIONS OR OTHER OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL. BUT WE HAVE THOROUGHLY DONE THIS OVER THE LAST YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF AND WE DO NOT HAVE MANY OPTIONS TO YOU FOR YOU ALL AT THIS POINT.

THIS IS THE MOST EFFICIENT OPTION FOR PROVIDING VERY SERVICE TO THE ISLAND.

WE NOT ONLY HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT FERRY SERVICE BUT WE HAVE TAKEN ACCOUNT AMASS OPERATIONS OVER THERE AND GETTING PEOPLE IN A MEDICAL EMERGENCY OFF THAT ISLAND.

SO WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS A GOOD SITUATION BUT WE WILL CONTINUE TO EXPLORE THE OPTIONS AND HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH MELROSE LANDING AS LONG AS THOSE DISCUSSIONS HAPPEN IN GOOD FAITH WITH A DESIRED TO COOPERATE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE EQUATION.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR ON THE RECORD THIS EVENING THAT I EXPECT A COOPERATIVE PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSION MOVING FORWARD ON ANYTHING THAT WE DO OVER THERE.

WE'RE UNDER A TIME CRUNCH TO PROVIDE A PLAN FOR PROVIDING FERRY SERVICE TO THE FIRST GALLON. YOUR ONLY OTHER OPTION AS I SEE IT AND I DON'T THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD OPTION. IT'S NOT ONE THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND TO YOU IS TO GET OUT OF THE FERRY BUSINESS TO DIFFUSE THE ALLEN INLET PRIVATE ENTERPRISE, TAKE THAT OVER AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.

SO WE WILL HAVE MORE INFORMATION FOR THE RESIDENTS AND THE FOLKS TO MARK THE MEETING AT THREE THIRTY WITH THE DEFENSE GALLON COUNCIL WORKING COMMITTEE ON SHORT TERM RENTALS AND THAT'S ALL I CAN SHARE IT AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT THE TCM PROPERTY

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TIME TOMORROW. AFTERNOON AT 4 O'CLOCK. >> THE PURPOSE OF THAT COMMITTEE IS AND IS MADE UP OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT COMMUNITY WHERE THESE PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED WOULD BE TO HELP CRAFT A RECOMMENDATION TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AT A LATER DATE ON WHAT IS THE BEST THING TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY. ON ANY REDEVELOPMENT TO RESELL THOSE PARCELS IN THE FUTURE AND IS CART TO OK SO I'LL SEE YOU OK CART DO YOU HAVE AN UPDATE FOR COUNCIL ON WHERE WE ARE WITH THE FINAL DISPOSITION OF THE RETIREE HEALTH INSURANCE LITIGATIONS HEALTH HEALTH INSURANCE ISSUE THAT IS IN THE HANDS OF THE FINANCE CASE.

>> THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DISTRIBUTING THE FUNDS FOR THE FINAL.

>> NO, THERE'S BEEN NO DECISION. >> OK.

ALL RIGHT. OK. >> IS IN THE HANDS OF FINANCE

OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE FINANCE COMMITTEE EVEN LIKE. >> OK, OKAY.

THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. AND AS I CUSTOMARILY DO I INTRODUCE EMPLOYEES AND NOT FROM ITEMIZED CALLED JACKSON TO COME.

>> MANY OF YOU ARE PROBABLY A COP WHO PLAYS AN IMPORTANT ROLE HERE FOR US.

HE IS THE DIRECTOR OF RISK MANAGEMENT AND SAFETY. HE'S BEEN WITH US FIVE AND A HALF YEARS. HE IS RESPONSIBLE OF COURSE FOR THE COUNTY'S RISK AND SAFETY PROGRAM THAT INCLUDES BEING IN CHARGE OF THE COUNTY'S PROPERTY AND CASUALLY INSURANCE OUR SELF INSURED WORKERS COMP PROGRAM OVERSEEING ALL PROPERTY AND CASUALTY CLAIMS INCLUDING WORKER COMP ACCIDENT INVESTIGATIONS, RISK ASSESSMENTS AND LOSS CONCERN

AND RISK TRAINING AND SUPPORT TO DEPARTMENTS. >> KYLE DOESN'T DO THE TRAINING BUT I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE NUMEROUS TIMES TO SIT IN ON OUR DRIVER SAFETY TRAINING AND IS RATHER ENTERTAINING AS AS YOU KNOW AS AS MUCH AS YOU CAN MAKE DRIVER SAFETY TRAINING ENTERTAINING SO HE HE DOES A GOOD JOB FINDING THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO BRING WITH THOSE TRAINING PROGRAMS AND I'M TOLD HERE I'M NOT SURE THAT HE LIVES IN MARGARITAVILLE BUT CHET I'M

TOLD THAT KYLE IS A HUGE JIMMY BUFFETT FAN. >> SO BEING A MARTYR YOU.

I'M GOING TO TELL YOU COULD YOU GET TO THE RIGHT AGENT? OKAY.

LET'S GOOD. WELL, THE MAYOR OF HARDY WILL BE PROUD TO HEAR ANYWAY.

I'M GONNA LET YOU SAY A FEW WORDS IF YOU WANT TO. THEN I'LL GET A PICTURE WITH YOU AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE A ROUND OF APPLAUSE. ALL RIGHT.

>> BUT THANK YOU, ERIC. I APPRECIATE AND I MEAN JUST I'M HUMBLE YOU HAS A LOT OF GREAT PEOPLE TO WORK WITH AND IS COUNTING ON THE TOP TO THE BOTTOM.

I WORK WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENTS ON ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT ISSUES AND EVERYBODY'S WILLING TO WORK WITH ME AND IT'S JUST IT'S A REALLY GOOD PLACE TO WORK.

AND I WOULD APPRECIATE IT TURNING AROUND HERE. MISS LEE IS GOING TO BE A

FUTURE FORUM. >> LET'S GIVE HIM A ROUND OF RIBAUT AS YOU ALL ALSO KNOW

THE NEXT PERSON THAT'S COMING UP HERE. >> SAYS NEIL DECI.

>> HE'S OUR DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS. HE'S BEEN WITH US TWO AND A HALF YEARS CAME RUSS FROM CITY BEAUFORT FROM THE CITY FROM THERE FROM CHARLESTON COUNTY.

>> RIGHT. SO YOU'RE GONNA MEET ANOTHER ONE OF HIS FORMER BOSSES HERE

RIGHT AFTER I. >> RIGHT AFTER I FINISH UP WITH HIM ON NEIL WAS VERY VERBOSE IN HIS DESCRIPTION OF HIS JOB DUTIES AND IT SIMPLY SAYS I RECEIVED DAILY OPERATIONS FROM TEN DIVISIONS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. I GOT TO WORK.

>> SO HE DOES A LOT. HE DOES MORE THAN HE THEN HE WOULD PROBABLY TELL YOU A SOLID WAGE ROAD MAINTENANCE FLEET MANAGEMENT. I YOU KNOW, STORM WATERS STUFF.

DISASTER RECOVERY, ALL OF THOSE THINGS. NEIL IS VERY ORGANIZED.

HE ALWAYS COMES TO MY MEETINGS WITH HIS OWN AGENDA OF THINGS THAT HE NEEDS TO TALK TO ME

ABOUT AND GO OVER WITH ME. >> SO HE'S HE'S A STAR EMPLOYEE .

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AND I'VE I THINK THE WORLD OF HIM. >> AND SOMETHING UNIQUE ABOUT NEIL, YOU MIGHT GUESS AS MOST CIVIL ENGINEERS DO AS A SMALL CHILD YOU GREW UP WITH LEGOS AND BUILDING SETS WHICH EVENTUALLY INSPIRED TO BE A CIVIL ENGINEER.

>> LET'S GET A PICTURE. ALL RIGHT. >> AS NEIL WAS GONNA STAY HERE

[8. PRESENTATION BY JIM NEAL OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WORKS ASSOCIATION (APWA) ACCREDITATION.]

>> THE NEXT ITEM ON THE LIST IS A PRESENTATION BY MR. JIM NEAL OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WORKS

ASSOCIATION ACCREDITATION CHAIRMAN MEMBERS COUNCIL. >> MY NAME IS JIM NEAL.

I'M THE DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING AND TECHNOLOGY FOR THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WORKS ASSOCIATION.

>> I'M HERE REPRESENTING MR. STAN BROWN WHO'S OUR PRESIDENT TO PRESENT THE ACCREDITATION PLAQUE TO BEAUFORT COUNTY PUBLIC WORKS AND IT GIVES ME GREAT PLEASURE TO WORK WITH TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THIS ACCREDITATION RECOGNITION THAT WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT YOUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, YOUR DIRECTOR AND THEIR STAFF KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

>> THEY'RE SKILLED PROFESSIONALS AND PUBLIC WORKS AND THEY'RE RECOGNIZED BY THEIR PEERS. ACCREDITATION IS AS A MARK OF PROFESSIONALISM.

IT INDICATES THAT THAT AGENCY IS COMMITTED TO IMPROVEMENT AND TO PROVIDING OUTSTANDING

SERVICE TO THEIR CITIZENS. >> ACCREDITATION RECOGNIZES THAT THE POLICIES THAT THEY HAVE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH WITH EXISTING RULES AND IN THE PRACTICE OF PUBLIC WORKS.

>> THEY'VE BEEN EVALUATED BY EXPERIENCED PUBLIC WORKS PROFESSIONALS, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTORS FROM OTHER AGENCIES AROUND THIS AROUND THE UNITED STATES AND THEY'VE BEEN COMPARED TO OTHER AGENCIES AND THERE'S 83 ABOUT EIGHTY THREE THOUSAND PUBLIC WORKS AGENCIES IN THE UNITED STATES AND TODAY WHEREAS ON THE 1ST OF JULY ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FIVE

OF THEM HAVE BEEN ACCREDITED. >> SO IT'S VERY, VERY COMPETITIVE.

IT SHOWS THE DEDICATION AND I WANT TO JUST RECOGNIZE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE.

ONE, MR. ADMINISTRATOR, YOUR SUPPORT OF THE PUBLIC WORKS PORTSMOUTH AND YOUR SUPPORT CERTAINLY. NEIL DECI HAS DONE YEOMAN WORK AND HE HAD HE TOLD ME THAT IF IT WASN'T FOR PAMELA HE WOULDN'T HAVE GOT IT DONE. BECAUSE SOMEBODY HAS TO BE OUT

THERE PRODDING ALL YOUR EMPLOYEES. >> RIGHT.

YOUR POLICY RIGHT DOWN WHAT YOU DO EVERY DAY. WE DON'T WE'RE NOT SAYING YOU DON'T DO IT RIGHT BUT YOU'VE GOT TO WRITE IT DOWN AND THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU WRITE DOWN WHAT YOU DO CAUSE THE NEXT PERSON THAT COMES IN FOR THE JOB AFTER YOU LEAVE OR RETIRE.

NEEDS TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. THIS AGENCY AND THE COUNTY ARE YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST ACCREDITATION SHOWS THAT YOU'VE GOT A PRODUCTIVE, EFFICIENT ORGANIZATION THAT HAS A SUCCESSION PLAN, DOES ITS ASSET MANAGEMENT PROPERLY AND

STRIVES FOR CONTINUOUS POINT IMPROVEMENT. >> AND I THINK THAT'S THAT'S REALLY IMPORT. SO DURING THE MAY SAY VISIT WHEN THEY HAD THREE PUBLIC

WORKS FOLKS COME DOWN TO EVALUATE. >> THEY LOOKED AT ONE HUNDRED NINETY FOUR DIFFERENT THINGS THAT YOUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT DOES.

AND ON JUNE 1ST 2022 THE AP RWA ACCREDITATION COUNCIL AWARDED FULL ACCREDITATION STATUS TO BEAUFORT COUNTY PUBLIC FORCES DEPARTMENT ON BEHALF OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WORKS

ASSOCIATION. >> IT'S MY PLEASURE TO AWARD THE ACCREDITATION PLAQUE IN RECOGNITION OF THE HARD WORK AND DEDICATION OF THESE PUBLIC WORKS PROFESSIONALS.

>> SO IF I COULD GET. MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. ADMINISTRATOR.

SYSTEM ADMINISTRATOR MOTORS RECORDS OF PAMELA ALL COME UP GET A PICTURE OF RECEIVING THE PLAQUE AS AN SOME PRETTY GOOD NONFOOD. YOU CAN SEE IT.

THANK YOU. NOW IT GIVES ME GREAT PLEASURE FOR A PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING

[7. PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING GULLAH/GEECHEE NATION APPRECIATION WEEK]

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THE GOAL OF GETTING NATION APPRECIATION WEEK. >> MR. GLOVER, WOULD YOU PLEASE

READ THAT PROCLAMATION? >> THANK YOU. >> QUEEN CLINTON.

FORWARD. I DO HAVE A PROCLAMATION HERE FROM COUNCIL SO I CAN GIVE THIS TO YOU. I'M GOING TO READ WHAT'S ON THE THANK YOU.

NEED IT. THE PROCLAMATION READS. WHERE IS AFRICAN BEGAN ARRIVING ON THE SEA ISLANDS IN THE FIFTEEN HUNDREDS AND WEARY WHEREAS THE POPULATION OF ALL OF THESE AFRICANS INCREASE AS CATTLE ENSLAVEMENT GREW CHATTEL ENSLAVEMENT GREW IN THE 16 HUNDREDS WHEREAS THESE AFRICANS BEGAN TO ENGAGE WITH AND IN SOME INSTANCE CREATED FAMILIES WITH INDIGENOUS AMERICANS IN THE REGION. AND WHEREAS THE DESCENDANTS OF THIS GROUP CALLED GULLAH GEECHEE AND WHEREAS THIS GROUP OF SELF-SUFFICIENT PEOPLE CAME TOGETHER IN 1999 THROUGHOUT THE SEA ISLANDS AND LOW COUNTRY OF THE CAROLINAS, GEORGIA AND FLORIDA TO STAND ON THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS TO SELF-DETERMINATION AND WHEREAS THIS GROUP TOOK ONE YEAR TO ELECT THEIR OWN LEADER. AND WHEREAS THEY ELECT AND INSTALL SING HELENA ISLAND NATIVE WHOSE FAMILY ROOTS ALSO STEMMED FROM PAULA WARNER AND DAUGHTER ISLANDS QUEEN EQUIPPED SHIFTERS OF THE GULLAH GEECHEE NATION. AND WHERE IS QUEEN QUIN HAS SERVED AS THE OFFICIAL HEAD PUNDIT BODY AND SPOKESPERSON FOR GULLAH GEECHEE SINCE JULY 2ND 2000. AND WHEREAS THE 20 SECOND ANNIVERSARY OF THE.

EACH NATION IS BEING CELEBRATED UNDER THE THEME THIS YOU WILL BE CELEBRATING THE GULLAH GEECHEE LIVING LEGACY. AND WHEREAS WE SUPPORT THE CONTINUATION OF THE GULLAH GEECHEE CULTURE HERITAGE AND SUSTAINABILITY OF THE GULF EACH NATION AND NOW THEREFORE BE A RESOLVE THAT THE BEFORE COUNTY COUNCIL DOES HEREBY PROCLAIM THE WEEK OF JULY 30TH 2022 TO AUGUST 6, 2002 22 AS GULLAH GEECHEE NATION APPRECIATION WEEK AND CALL UPON ALL OUR CITIZENS TO CELEBRATE WITH THE CITIZENS THE GULLAH GEECHEE NATION UNDER THE THEME THIS YEAR WHO WILL BE CELEBRATING THE GULLAH GEECHEE LEGACY LIVING LEGACY THE GULLAH GEECHEE NATION APPRECIATION WEEK. THEY DID THIS THE LEVEL OF JULY

AND SIGNED BY CHAIRMAN JOSEPH PASSIVE IN JUNE. >> OK, YOU MIGHT CALL US.

>> OH YES. >> IT WAS CHAIRMAN TO SAY THAT I DO IT, ISN'T IT?

>> ABSOLUTELY. PAUL SOMERVILLE IS HERE WITH YOU.

NOT HERE FIRST. SO HE HASN'T BEEN THERE BEFORE YOU LOOK UP PAUL TO BE BETTER GALLAUDET ON ANY OKATIE. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN. YOU FORGOT THE COUNCIL AND FOR ALL I'M GONNA TELL OUR D.A. AND PEOPLE COUNTY THEY LEFT OFF THE ST. HELENA PART THAT I NEED A VOTE TO I THINK A GOOD TO SAY THE ROUTES FROM AUSTRIA THAT MARLON AND THINGS LIKE AN S I GLAD IF A DEAL ONCE AGAIN ON BEHALF OF MANN SISTERS HAVE ALL ON A CHILL AND COMMUNE OPINION ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

I HAD HALF A WORRY I CAN CRACK MY TEETH S AWAY. I CAN SPEAK YOUR LANGUAGE AS WELL. ALL THE YAHOO NEUTERED TOWN SO IN THE COUNTY SO I WANT TO FIRST SAY THANK YOU ALL FOR THIS AGAIN AND THIS YEAR IS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE ARE BEGINNING AND ENDING GULLAH GEECHEE NATION APPRECIATION WEEK IN THIS COUNTY WE ARE ACTUALLY LAUNCHING AT THE ST. HELENA PARK AS WE PHENOMENON SAY WEST FELIX.

>> WE WILL BE LAUNCHING NOW ON JULY 30TH AT NOON WITH GULLAH GEECHEE FAMILY DAY.

IT'S OPEN TO EVERYONE. YOU CAN COME OUT, ENJOY YOURSELVES AND WE WILL CONCLUDE FOOD AT THE BLUFFTON OYSTER FACTORY PARK ON AUGUST THE 6. BOTH EVENTS WILL BEGIN AT NOON AND SO WE WANT FOLKS TO COME OUT, ENJOY THEMSELVES AND ESPECIALLY YET IMMOBILE WHO WILL BE ANYTHING GOT? AND NOW IF SOME GOOD FOOD AND THING I GOT AND READ IT WAS YET THE MUSIC AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING. SO WE WILL HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF GULLAH GEECHEE THINGS FOR YOU TO DO RIGHT HERE IN OUR COUNTY THIS YEAR AND IT'S A

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A PART OF IT. >> AND I THINK THAT IS ALSO DIVINELY ORDERED THAT ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO MENTION TONIGHT AND I'M GLAD IT'S IN THIS PROCLAMATION THIS YEAR ABOUT MY ROOTS STEMMING FROM PALAWAN AND DOTTORE. THERE IS A FAMILY BURIAL AREA THAT I AM ON THE INTERNET THAT IS THEY WENT VIRAL. THERE WAS OVER HALF A MILLION PEOPLE THAT SAW IT AROUND THE WORLD ABOUT THE DESECRATION OF ONE OF MY FAMILY BURIAL AREAS. THAT IS NOT THE FIRST ONE OF MY FAMILY BURIAL AREAS UNFORTUNATELY IN THIS COUNTY TO HAVE THAT ISSUE. I HAD TO ALSO FIGHT FOR THREE YEARS IN COURT AGAINST SOMEONE WHO DID THAT AND ON ST. HELENA ISLAND.

NOW WE'RE SEEING PEOPLE ON HILTON HEAD HAVING TO DEAL WITH THIS.

THIS IS AN ONGOING ISSUE. I REALLY FEEL THAT THIS COUNTY REALLY NEEDS TO TAKE A SERIOUS LOOK AT BECAUSE THERE ARE LAWS IT'S A FELONY TO DO IT BUT NO ONE'S GOING TO JAIL AND THAT'S

WHY THEY KEEP DOING IT. >> AND SO I DEFINITELY CALL ON YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE DO RESILIENCE WORK, HISTORIC PRESERVATION WORK, CONSERVATION WORK THAT YOU DO NOT FORGET THOSE WHO ARE THE ANCESTORS THAT WE CELEBRATE EVERY YEAR IN THIS COUNTY THROUGH THIS WEEK.

I DO IT EVERY WEEK BUT THIS COUNTY CELEBRATES WITH US TO A GULLAH GEECHEE EVERY YEAR.

SO PLEASE PUT THAT ON THE TOP OF YOUR AGENDA. GIVE ERIC GREEN HIS OFFICE EVEN MORE WORK THAN I GIVE HIM. DO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PUT CONSERVATION EASEMENTS AROUND THESE CRITICAL AREAS AND WE HAVE A OPEN AND CRITICAL LANDS BOARD HERE FOR THESE TYPES OF THINGS? WE NEED TO CONSIDER THAT NOT JUST SCENIC BYWAYS BECAUSE SOMEONE THINKS THAT OUR FAMILY'S BEING BURIED. THERE IS A BYWAY.

IT'S NOT. IT IS HEARTFELT TO US TO HAVE SOMEONE GO IN THERE, DISTURB IT AND THEN NOTHING REALLY GET DONE. SO WE NEED TO DO THIS AND ADHERE TO WHAT THE LAW ARE NOT ONLY IN THIS COUNTY BUT THE STATE.

>> AND SO IT ALSO IS AN HONOR TO KNOW THAT I WALK IN HERE TONIGHT JUST AHEAD OF THE PRESENTATION THAT'S COMING TO AGAIN HONOR ANCESTORS. I AM SOMEONE WHO FOUGHT FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION ERA NATIONAL MONUMENT WHICH IS NOW ON NATIONAL HISTORIC PARK.

AND I WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT THE EFFORT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT TONIGHT TO CREATE A PARK AROUND YET ANOTHER ONE OF OUR HISTORIC TREES HERE IN BEAUFORT COUNTY.

>> WE HAVE THE EMANCIPATION OAK THAT'S ALREADY A PART OF THIS NATIONAL HISTORIC PARK.

SO THERE'S SO MUCH OF LEGACY IN HISTORY IN THIS COUNTY. IT IS MIND BLOWING.

BUT FOR PEOPLE TO COME HERE AND BE ABLE TO HAVE A PLACE TO SIT AND REFLECT ON ALL THAT THEY LEARNED BY GOING TO THE VARIOUS PLACES THAT ARE PART OF THE RECONSTRUCTION ERA NATIONAL PARK AND ITS AFFILIATED SITES THAT ARE GETTING INCORPORATED. THIS IS A CRITICAL THING.

SO I'M HAPPY AND I'M PLEASED THAT GOD HAD THAT. TONIGHT IS THE NIGHT THAT ALL

THESE FOLKS FILLED UP THIS PLACE. >> I THOUGHT THEY CAME FOR ME.

I WAS A LITTLE UPSET A LITTLE BIT OKATIE IT TURNS OUT FELT SOME KIND OF WAY BUT WAS HAPPY

THAT THEY THOUGHT I WAS HERE TO BE WITH THEM AND I AM. >> BUT NO ONE TOLD ME IN ADVANCE THIS WAS HAPPENING. SO I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT I HAVE THE MIGHT TO JUST SAY THAT I HOPE THIS COUNTY DOES BACK THIS PARK BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT AND IT'S IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO COME HERE LIKE THEY ALWAYS DO. THE BEAUTIFUL VIEW FOOT BY THE SEA AND YET MORE ABOUT WHO WE BE. THANK YOU TANKY AND HONOR MY ANCESTORS WHO BE GULLAH GEECHEE AS OKATIE ITEM NUMBER NINE ON OUR AGENDA IS A PRESENTATION

[9. PRESENTATION OF A POCKET PARK PROJECT BY ROLAND GARDNER AND LARRY ROWLAND]

>> WELL YOU DON'T LOOK LIKE EITHER ONE. >> I APOLOGIZE.

I'M NOT ROLAND GARDNER. THIS IS SORT OF A BAIT AND SWITCH.

I MEAN ROLAND GARDNER IS THE VISE CHAIR OF THE PAT CONROY LITERARY CENTER AND I AM ONE OF THE FOUNDERS. ROLAND HAS ASKED ME TO ROLAND HAS ASKED ME TO TAKE HIS PLACE AND TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHAT WE FEEL PASSIONATELY ABOUT AND THAT'S A TREE THAT IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PAT CONROY CENTER. AND THAT'S AN ANCIENT LIVE OAK TREE THAT HAS REAL HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE. BEFORE I GO INTO IT AND TURN THE FLOOR OVER TO HISTORIAN LARRY ROLL AND I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU THAT AS A FOUNDER OF THE PAT CONROY CENTER AND SOMEONE WHO CARES DEEPLY ABOUT BEAUFORT COUNTY, I'VE BEEN

COMING HERE FOR NEARLY 40 YEARS . >> IN FACT, I WORKED WITH PAT CONROY ON VARIOUS ASPECTS OF HIS WRITING CAREER FROM THE TIME HE ACTUALLY WROTE THE

GREAT SANTINI ON THE DURING THE LAST 15 YEARS OF PAST LIFE. >> I WAS HIS LITERARY AGENT.

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>> AND AS YOU ALL KNOW, HE WAS EXCEPTIONALLY ELOQUENT IN SPEAKING ABOUT THIS REGION AND ABOUT THE LOW COUNTRY AND THE PEOPLE OF BEAUFORT COUNTY. WHEN PAT DIED IT SEEMED IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO IMAGINE WHAT THIS WOULD BE LIKE WITHOUT HIM.

HE WAS SORT OF THE SHAKESPEARE OF THE LOW COUNTRY. TO MANY PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD WE BEGAN TO THINK OF THE BEST WAY TO HONOR HIM. AND THAT WAS THROUGH AN INTERACTIVE EDUCATIONAL MUSEUM AND A LITERARY CENTER. I HAD SERVED ON THE NATIONAL ENDOWMENT FOR THE HUMANITIES BOARD AND EVALUATED LITERARY CENTERS OVER THE YEARS AND WAS INCREDIBLY IMPRESSED WITH HOW MUCH DIFFERENCE A COMMUNITY CAN BE SERVED WITH A REALLY GOOD LITERARY CENTER THAT CELEBRATES THE WRITING, READING AND THE LITERARY ARTS.

WHEN WE DECIDED TO OPEN UP ON CHARLES STREET WITHIN IT WAS 2017 AND JANUARY AT THE NATIONAL LIBRARY ASSOCIATION DECIDED TO MAKE THE PAT CONROY LITERARY CENTER A NATIONAL

LITERARY LANDMARK. >> THAT WAS AN EXCEPTIONALLY QUICK TURNAROUND.

THEY KNEW THAT WE EXISTED AND THE NATIONAL LIBRARY ASSOCIATION MADE US A LANDMARK.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE PLAQUE TO PROVE IT. THE SAME YEAR WE HIRED JONATHAN HELPED US OUR TIRELESS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND ALSO THE SAME YEAR THE AN ORGANIZATION CALLED THE NATIONAL WRITERS MUSEUMS HAD PAT CONROY LITERARY CENTER JOINED THE HOMES OF MARK TWAIN AND WILLIAM FAULKNER AND MANY OTHER GREAT AMERICAN WRITERS AS ANOTHER LITERARY LANDMARK WHEN I WANT TO THANK THE COUNCIL BECAUSE THIS YEAR WE SAVED AN INFRASTRUCTURE GRANT FOR OUR NEW BUILDING AND IT WAS AN INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT GIFT TO US TO BE ABLE TO DO THE

REPAIR THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE THIS LITERARY CENTER ACTIVE. >> WHAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE FOR US BECAUSE WE HAVE BEGUN DOING STORY.

>> THE STORYTELLING THAT WE DO WITH BEAUFORT SCHOOLCHILDREN HAS BEEN ONE OF THE BIGGEST AND MOST SUCCESSFUL PARTS OF OUR PROGRAM. WHY WE'RE TALKING TO YOU ABOUT

A TREE IS THAT THIS IS MORE THAN A TREE. >> THIS TREE COMES WITH AN INCREDIBLE STORY AND IT'S A PART OF THE FABRIC OF THIS COUNTRY STORY.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ACKNOWLEDGED. WE ARE SUGGESTING THAT THIS ANCIENT LIVE OAK TREE THAT SITS NEAR BLADE AND IN KING STREET BECOME A PART OF A PASSIVE

POCKET PARK. >> WE HAVE ALREADY HAD GAINS SUPPORT OF AT LEAST A DOZEN ORGANIZATIONS BOTH. I CAN READ YOU THE LIST BUT BESIDES THE PAT CONROY LITERARY CENTER, THE BEAUFORT COUNTY HISTORICAL SOCIETY, WE APPEARED BEFORE THE CITY OF BEAUFORT TREES AND PARKS COMMISSION AND HAD UNANIMOUS SUPPORT. REVEREND KENNETH HODGES WILL SPEAK FORMER STATE LEGISLATOR AND PASTOR OF TABERNACLE CHURCH.

THIS SUPPORTER DR. ELIJAH WASHINGTON, THE GRAND ARMY HALL OF THE REPUBLIC, THE BEAUFORT COUNTY COUNCIL OF GARDEN CLUBS . THE MASTER GARDENERS OF BEAUFORT, THE BEAUFORT PLANNING GROUPS ARCHITECT LANDSCAPE ART ARCHITECT BRAD HILL BARTLETT TREE EXPERTS HAS ALREADY STEPPED UP AND SAID THAT THEY WILL ADOPT THIS TREE AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S HEALTHY. THE BEAUFORT IS THIS STARK BEAUFORT FOUNDATION AND THE BEAUFORT HISTORY MUSEUM. I WOULD LIKE THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM WHO CAME TO HEAR ABOUT THIS TREATY'S PLEASE STAND UP BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW

WHO'S HERE TONIGHT. >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE LEARNED ABOUT STORYTELLING AND PAT WAS THE MASTER LITERARY STORYTELLER IS THAT STORIES CREATE THE SHARED STORIES CREATE BONDING FOR FAMILIES, FOR COMMUNITIES, FOR NATIONS AND BY SHARING THE STORY OF THE CONNECTICUT VOLUNTEER INFANTRY AND YOU'LL HEAR LARRY TALK ABOUT THIS THAT THIS GREAT STORYTELLING MACHINE, THE PAT CONROY CENTER WILL SERVE THIS COMMUNITY BY TELLING THE STORY OF THE TREE BY OUR DOSES WILL BE TELLING THE VISITORS THE STORIES IF WE HAVE THE POCKET

PARK WITH BENCHES, PEOPLE WILL SIT THERE. >> THEY'LL RELAX.

THEY'LL GET A CHANCE TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANT PLACE THAT BEAUFORT PLAYS IN THE

NATION'S HISTORY. >> LAST YEAR ALONE DURING THE PANDEMIC WE HAD OVER 3000

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>> THIS WAS A YEAR IN WHICH WE WERE CLOSED FOR RENOVATION AND THIS WAS A DIFFICULT YEAR.

>> BUT WE ARE GROWING FAST. THE PACK CONNERY LITERARY CENTER HAS A NATIONAL REPUTATION AND INTERNATIONAL ONE IS ON THE HORIZON AND WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO SHARE THE STORIES THAT MADE PAT CONROY LOVE THIS TOWN AND I THINK THAT THESE STORIES WILL RISE TO THE SURFACE AND EVERY TIME ONE OF THEM COMES UP AS THIS TREE HAS PRESENTED ITSELF IN OUR FRONT YARD, WE'LL SPEAK UP FOR THAT STORY AND THAT STORY WILL BE TOLD AND I APPRECIATE YOU VERY MUCH HAVING YOU LISTEN TO SOMEONE TALK ABOUT A TREE BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY

BEAUTIFUL TREES IN BEAUFORT. >> IF YOU LISTEN TO EVERYONE TALK ABOUT A BEAUTIFUL TREE, YOU NEVER GET ANY OTHER BUSINESS DONE. SO I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO

HISTORIAN LARRY ROLAND GERMAN. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR PATIENTS AND

MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. >> THIS WE HAVE THE PICTURE WE HAVE OF THIS NUMBER.

>> SO WHERE ARE WE HERE? >> SO THIS PICTURE WAS TAKEN DURING THE CIVIL WAR.

THIS IS ONE OF THE EARLIEST COMPANIES. THIS IS THE THE TWENTY NINTH CONNECTICUT. IT'S OFTEN DESCRIBED AS THE FIRST SOUTH CAROLINA BUT IT'S NOT THE FIRST SOUTH CAROLINA I WISH IT WERE. BUT MY BLUE LARRY IS IN SYRIA.

>> WHEN YOU GET BLOWN UP IT TAKES UP MORE OF THE SCREEN. >> OH, OK.

>> YEAH, THAT'S NOW. BUT THAT'S. >> THAT'S THE TREE THAT'S STILL THERE. THAT WAS THE PARADE GROUND AND THAT WHOLE AREA OF BLADE TO STREET WHERE THAT TREE IS LOCATED IN THE COUNTY NOW OWNS THE PARKING LOT.

IT WAS A BIVOUAC AREA FOR UNION TROOPS DURING THE OCCUPATION. A LOT OF THEM FIRST AMONG THE FIRST UNITED STATES COLORED TROOPS TO BE RECRUITED INTO THE U.S. ARMY.

IN FACT, IT WAS ON THE CIA THAT THE FORMER SLAVES WERE AMONG THE FIRST OF THE FORMER SLAVES TO BE RECRUITED INTO THE UNION ARMY FOR TO FIGHT FOR THEIR OWN FREEDOM.

>> AND THIS IS ONE OF THE UNITS THIS HAPPENS TO BE THE TWENTY NINTH CONNECTICUT.

>> BUT ALL THOSE AFRICAN-AMERICAN UNITS THAT BIVOUAC IN THAT AREA HAD A PARADE GROUND UNDER THAT TREE. THE AMERICAN BATTLE GROUND TRUST CALLS THESE WITNESS TREES . IN OTHER WORDS, THE OLDEST LIVING THINGS THAT WITNESSED HISTORY AND THE AMERICAN BATTLEGROUND TRUST IS PRESERVED .

TREES LIKE THIS AT GETTYSBURG, ANTIETAM AND MANY PLACES IN AMERICA WHERE THE TREE IS THE LAST LIVING THING TO WITNESS THE PIECE OF HISTORY. BEAUFORT THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF BEAUFORT HISTORY. AND THAT TREE IS THE WITNESS TREE FOR THAT HISTORY. WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS JUST PRESERVE THE DRIP LINE OF THAT TREE NO MORE AND PRESERVE THE TREE FOR JUST TELL THE STORY.

>> FUTURE GENERATIONS TO BE A KIND OF HISTORICAL SOCIETY OF WHICH I AM CURRENTLY.

THE PRESIDENT PUTS UP THE OFFICIAL STATE HISTORICAL MARKERS.

>> THIS ARCHIVES MARKERS WE HAVE APPROVED ONE FOR THAT TREE TO TELL THE STORY THAT I'M

TELLING YOU NOW. >> SO WE WOULD LIKE FOR THE COUNTY TO HELP US PRESERVE THAT

[10. CITIZEN COMMENTS]

THANK YOU. >> OK. AT THIS TIME WE'RE GOING TO OUR CITIZENS COMMENTS. THE FIRST PERSON ON THE LIST THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING FORWARD IS OUR SOLICITOR MR. DUFFY STONE. MR. STONE.

GOOD EVENING, DAVID. >> DARYN, I'LL TRY TO KEEP THIS TO THREE MINUTES.

>> WE HAVE THE GRAPH. THANK YOU FOR HEARING FROM ME. I WANT TO FIRST INTRODUCE YOU

IF I MAY, SIR, IN THE BACK LORRAINE. >> JOHN THOUGHT IS MY DEPUTY SOLICITOR. BESIDE HIM IS MARY JORDAN OLYMPUS AND SIGN HER IS THE KEY AND GIANNIS JARED SHARED AND SAMY MOLINA WANTED TO INTRODUCE YOU TO THESE PEOPLE TODAY BECAUSE THEY ARE THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR THE LAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS ON THE FELLOW ON THE D YOU ARE PROJECT ON THE PILOT PROGRAM IN TWO THOUSAND AND EIGHTEEN I GOT AN EMAIL FROM COUNCILMAN THERE RICK HARPER EL TELLING ME THAT OVER TWO THIRDS OF THE CASES IN MAGISTRATES COURT THERE WERE DUI ARE BEING DISMISSED AND THEY WERE BEING DISMISSED BECAUSE THE COUNTY DEPUTIES WERE TRYING THESE CASES BY THEMSELVES.

AND COUNSEL AND AT THAT TIME I WORKED WITH HIM WE DEVELOPED A PILOT PROGRAM WITH THIS PROCESS

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BUT NUMBER THREE ABOVE ALL ELSE MAKE SURE THAT NO BEAUFORT COUNTY DEPUTY HAS TO GO TO COURT WHETHER THAT BE ON A ROSTER MEETING, A JURY TRIAL, A MOTION HEARING BECAUSE THEY WERE GETTING KILLED IN THE WORDS OF RICK CAPP OR L BY EXPERIENCED DEFENSE ATTORNEYS AND OVER THE LAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY DID.

THIS GRAPH ABOVE YOU SHOWS THE RESULTS OF THAT PILOT PROGRAM I SENT YOU THAT MARCH THE 30TH OF THIS YEAR. AS YOU CAN TELL WHAT WAS IN 2017 AN OVERWHELMING NUMBER OF DISMISSALS TURNED INTO AN OVERWHELMING NUMBER OF CONVICTIONS AND IT WAS DONE BY THOSE PEOPLE BACK THERE IN ABOUT A HALF DOZEN OTHER ONES. AND I BROUGHT HIM HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE I WANTED TO THANK THEM. I WANTED TO THANK HIM PUBLICLY AND I WANTED TO SHOW THEM THE RESPECT THAT I THINK THEY DESERVE. BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY I SAW THE WORK THEY PUT IN. I SAW HIM COME IN AND EARLY AND I SAW HIM STAY LIGHT.

I SAW HIM ON SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS AND NOT ONCE NOT ONCE DID THEY COMPLAIN.

THAT'S NOT TRUE. >> AJAMI ACTUALLY DID COMPLAIN BUT SHE WAS VERY UPSET BECAUSE SHE HAD SPENT WEEKS BRINGING IN EXPERT WITNESSES LINING UP A CASE THAT THE DEFENDANT CAME IN AND PLED GUILTY AT THE LAST MINUTE AND SHE DIDN'T GET TO TRY THE CASE.

>> THAT'S THE ONLY COMPLAINT I EVER HEARD FROM THESE PEOPLE. THEY ARE DEDICATED PUBLIC SERVANTS AND THEY DESERVE OUR THANKS AND OUR RESPECT. BUT THEY DIDN'T GET THAT FROM COUNTY COUNCIL. THEY HAD A COUNTY COUNCIL MEMBER WHO SAID THIS PROGRAM

THAT SHOWING OVER YOUR HEAD RIGHT NOW WAS A FAILURE. >> AND IT WAS A FAILURE BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME CASES STILL PENDING. THERE WAS A BACKLOG.

NEVER MIND THE ONE YEAR THAT THE COURT WAS SHUT DOWN BECAUSE OF COVERED.

NEVER MIND THE FACT THAT THE SOLICITORS DON'T RUN THE DOCKET IN MAGISTRATES COURT JUDGES DO.

AND THAT COUNCILMAN KNEW THAT BECAUSE HE USED TO BE THE CHIEF MAGISTRATE.

IN FACT, HE WAS THE CHIEF MAGISTRATE OVER THE YEAR OF 2017 WHEN TWO OUT OF THREE

DE CHARGED WITH DUI EYES WALKED OUT THE BACK DOOR. >> I'M HERE TONIGHT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THESE PEOPLE. I'M NOT HERE TO ARGUE THE POINTS.

I'M NOT HERE TO ASK YOU FOR ANYTHING. I'M STANDING HERE THANKING THEM BECAUSE THEY SHOULD BE THANKED AND IT'S NOT JUST FOR ME. I GOT AN EMAIL LAST WEEK THAT I'D LIKE TO READ TO YOU. MR. CHAIRMAN, VERY BRIEFLY. IT SAYS LET ME CONGRATULATE YOU FOR THE EXCITING RESULTS OF YOUR PILOT PROGRAM. YOUR SUMMARY REPORT POINTS OUT THE CLEAR BENEFITS OF THIS APPROACH IN TERMS OF IMPROVING CONVICTION RATES.

>> THANK YOU AND YOUR TEAM AND I EMPHASIZE YOUR TEAM BECAUSE I DIDN'T DO THIS THEY DID FOR BEING WILLING TO INNOVATE AND PUSH FOR STRONGER DUI PROSECUTIONS THAT CAME FROM

STEVEN BARRETT S CAROLINA EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR. >> MOTHERS AGAINST DRUNK DRIVING. HE THANKED THEM AND YOU SHOULD HAVE AN APPLAUSE.

OKAY. WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT ISSUES THAT THEY'RE HAVING TO IDENTIFY WHAT THEY WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT. FIRST ONE IS BILL, ARE YOU HERE ? PLEASE COME FORWARD. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO ADDRESS COUNTY COUNCIL MEMBERS ,MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST WANTED TO.

>> I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS LAST NIGHT. >> I KNOW IT'S BEEN MOVED BUT I CAME SIX HOURS SO I'D LIKE SINCE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME IN BETWEEN.

ALL I WANT TO DO IS SEASON YOU WITH SOME THOUGHTS COMING FROM THE HOME OF HOMEOWNERS.

SO MY NAME IS BILL WEIR KAISER. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE MELROSE COTTAGE OWNERS ASSOCIATION WHICH IS 42 HOMES. AND I WAS ASKED BY OUR HOMEOWNERS AND OUR BOARD TO COME IN AND TALK TO YOU GUYS TONIGHT. SO IF YOU WANT TO I ALWAYS KNOW I NEVER COME AROUND OFTEN BUT WHEN I DO IT'S BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN AN IMPACT THAT IS

LITERALLY AS CLOSE AS YOU CAN SEE THOSE BUILDINGS OVER THERE. >> WE PASS THIS AROUND YOU GUYS. THIS IS THE BANKRUPT RESORT THAT THEY'VE BEEN LIVING AROUND

SINCE 2009. >> SO WE'RE IMPACTED MORE THAN ANYBODY.

WE'RE ACTUALLY IN THE RESORT. >> AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT.

SO I'M ASKING ON BEHALF OF THE 42 PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE MCO A THAT SHOULD NOT PROCEED WITH THE CONDEMNATION PROCESS. YOU'VE DELAYED IT. I PLEAD WITH YOU TO PLEASE TRY TO WORK SOMETHING OUT BECAUSE ANY SOLUTION THAT YOU YOU KNOW THAT THAT GOES THROUGH WITH

THIS WILL IMPACT ALL OF US. >> SO YOU'RE GOING TO SAY OK, WELL WHY WHY WHY ARE THESE GUYS

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>> THE MELROSE ASSOCIATION'S FULLY BEHIND THAT. I'VE TALKED TO THEIR PRESIDENT, THEIR VISE PRESIDENT AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER ACTUALLY WITH THE DEVELOPER SINCE HE

CAME INTO THE PICTURE. >> HE'S BEEN PRESENT. >> WE'VE BEEN TALKING WE'RE PLANNING. WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER. IT'S BEEN VERY POSITIVE.

DO I HAVE SOME CONCERNS? HE'S A DEVELOPER, RIGHT? SO I MEAN OF COURSE I HAVE SOME

CONCERNS BUT HE'S DONE EVERYTHING THAT HE SAID SO FAR. >> SO LET ME CONTINUE.

SO SO WE DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK. BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, PANDORA'S BOX IS KIND OF OPEN NOW. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS. SO THE RESORT'S BEEN EFFECTIVELY CLOSED SINCE 2009. THE COMMUNITY SUFFERED GREATLY. PROPERTY VALUES HAVE BEEN HARD HIT. THINGS WERE DIFFICULT. EVERYBODY PASSES AN ABANDONED RESORT AND ABANDONED COTTAGES NEXT TO EVEN MY HOMES. THEY'VE BEEN ADVANTAGES 2009 EMPTY WINDOWS BUSTED OUT. THEY'VE GOTTEN BOARDED UP. THEY'VE STARTED TO MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS. SO SOME POSITIVE THINGS HAPPENING.

PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO SELL THEIR HOMES THERE ON THE MARKET SO LONG THAT THEY THEY HAD A DISCOUNT THEM 60 PERCENT TO SELL THEM. THIS IS REAL.

THEY PAID A MILLION THREE. THEY GOT SIX THOUSAND AND THEY WAITED A YEAR AND A HALF TO SELL THEIR HOMES. UGLY SITUATION SINCE THE NEWS BROKE.

>> MY TIME'S OUT. NOW YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS. OK.

SINCE THE NEWS BROKE THAT A POTENTIAL BUYER, THE DRIVER OF THE TEAM THERE JUST THAT SPECULATION PERIOD THE PROPERTY VALUES HAVE GONE UP 60 PERCENT AND THAT THERE'S NOT A HOME FOR SALE. THERE'S NOT A LOT FOR SALE. THERE'S NOTHING FOR SALE.

SO YOU KNOW, FINALLY I LIKE TO YOU KNOW, BASICALLY JUST SAY REMOVING THE DOG IS REMOVING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A DEVELOPER TO COME IN. NOBODY'S GOING TO COME IN.

FREIGHT HAS TO COME ACROSS EMPLOYEES. SO I'M HOPING THERE'S SOME WAY

TO WORK THIS OUT THAT CAN THAT CAN HELP. >> AND I'M ASKING FOR YOUR HELP . HUGGINS RATCLIFFE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SCOTT TO ME COACH SCOTT SMITH I'M SORRY RUNS ABOUT MEMORIES MY BASKETBALL DAYS WITH A SHOT

CLOCK. >> WELL I'VE PLAYED BEFORE THE SHOT CLOCK WITH AT ANY RIGHT

MIND SCOTT SMITH. >> I APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK BEFORE YOU. I'M AN OWNER OF A BEACH COTTAGE.

IT LOCATED ONE 131. I HAVE NEW OAKS ON THE FIRST KEY AND POSE OF CONDEMNATION PROCEEDINGS REGARDING THE MELROSE LANDING PROPERTY AND I APPRECIATE THE ACTIONS YOU'VE TAKEN THIS EVENING TO POSTPONE WHAT YOU YOU KNOW WHAT WAS COMING UP ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT AND TO ALLOW THE PARTIES TO HAVE SOME TIME TO IRON OUT THEIR DIFFERENCES BECAUSE THIS THIS IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO ME AND THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE AROUND AROUND ME.

THIS FUNCTIONAL DOCK ON THE FIRST KEY IS IMPERATIVE FOR EVERYBODY THAT'S INVOLVED THE

PUBLIC TO GET ME IN AND GO OUT TO GET MATERIALS IN AND OUT. >> IT IS LITERALLY LEE THE FINANCIAL AND OPERATIONAL LINCHPIN OF OUR COMMUNITY. AND THIS THIS ISSUE HAS TO BE RESOLVED. IT'S ALSO A KEY ASSET. IF YOU'RE BUYING PURCHASING PROPERTY AND YOU'RE YOU WANT TO SELL IT, YOU'VE GOT ASSETS AND LIABILITIES AND GOODNESS KNOWS WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF LIABILITIES THAT ISLAND AROUND THIS OLD RESORT.

BUT THIS DOCK TO THE DEVELOPER IS AN IMPORTANT ASSET AND SEE THAT GO AWAY COULD ADVERSELY IMPACT WHAT HE'S GOT THEY'VE GOT TO DO TO DEVELOP WITH THIS ISSUE CAN BE RESOLVED.

>> WE'VE GOT THE ABILITY THAT PROPERTY VALUES WILL INCREASE JOB CREATIONS, JACK, JOB CREATION WILL OCCUR AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE A LARGER TAX BASE THAT YOU CAN YOU CAN WORK OFF. AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR EVERYBODY.

THE DEVELOPER HAS DEMONSTRATED GOODWILL WHICH OFTEN THESE PROCEEDINGS DON'T COME TO LIGHT. BUT I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE THAT THEY HAVE WORKED TO DEVELOP TO ASSIST LOCAL CONTRACTORS IN OBTAINING APPROVALS AND LICENSES THAT ARE NECESSARY. I BETTER GET THIS SHOT OF THEY PROVIDED MANPOWER TO RENOVATE

BUSINESS LOCATIONS AND TO COMPLY WITH LOCAL CODES. >> DAVE IMPROVE THE PROPERTY DRAMATICALLY BY CUTTING UNSIGHTLY WEEDS, CLEANING UP THE OLD HOTEL ON BEACH PROPERTY

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CONTINUE DO I'M SURE TO BRING THIS ISSUE TO SOME RESOLUTION. >> IT'S IMPORTANT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> GRAHAM CLAW. GOOD EVENING.

COUNSEL AND CHAIRMAN. I'M GRANT MCCLURE. I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE COASTAL CONSERVATION LEAGUE. I STARTED AS D SOUTH COAST PROJECT MANAGER BACK IN MAY.

I'M GONNA BE TALKING TONIGHT ABOUT THE GREENS FACE HALF PENNY I'M HERE TO TO RECOMMEND THAT THE COUNCIL CONSIDER ADOPTING A HALF PENNY FOR GREEN SPACE.

WE STRONGLY SUPPORT PLACING THAT PENNY ON THE BALLOT THIS NOVEMBER.

>> THIS NEW SOURCE OF CONSERVATION FUNDING WILL COMPLEMENT BUT BE DISTINCT FROM EXISTING RURAL AND CRITICAL LANDS PROGRAMS IN PART BECAUSE THE FUNDS CAN BE USED IN ADJACENT COUNTIES WHERE THE BENEFITS OF CONSERVATION WILL STILL BE EXPERIENCED LOCALLY.

AN EXAMPLE OF THIS JUST LAST NIGHT I WAS OUT ON THE BROAD RIVER AFTER THE STORM PASSED AND I WAS ON THE BEAUFORT SIDE AND CROSSED OVER TO THE JASPER COUNTY SIDE AND ABOUT TWO OR THREE MINUTES. SO WE KNOW WE KNOW THAT BEAUFORT COUNTY RESIDENTS SUPPORT CONSERVATION AND WE'RE ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER THE SUCCESS OF THE RURAL AND

CRITICAL LANDS PROGRAM. >> IT'S PROTECTED PRISTINE LANDSCAPES FROM DEVELOPMENT THROUGH THE YEARS AND THE GREEN GREEN SPACE HAPPENING IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND UPON THAT SUCCESS AND SCALE IT IN A WAY THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE TO BALANCE OUT REGIONAL GROWTH PRESSURES. HAPPENING FOR GREEN SPACE DOES NOT FAVOR ONE MUNICIPALITY OR REGION OVER ANOTHER. FOR EXAMPLE, WORKING WITH OUR LAND TRUST PARTNERS WE'VE IDENTIFIED SEVERAL TRACTS OF LAND IN NORTHERN BEAUFORT COUNTY AS WELL AS SOUTHERN BEAUFORT COUNTY AND THROUGHOUT THE REGION. THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS PROGRAM. I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO REVIEW THE SOUTH CAROLINA CONSERVATION BANKS PRIORITY MODEL WHICH MAPS OUT AREAS OF HIGH CONSERVATION PRIORITY VERSUS THOSE THAT MIGHT BE MORE SUITED FOR DEVELOPMENT AS A GOOD TOOL.

AND CONSIDER INCORPORATE SOME SIMILAR TOOLS WITHIN THE ORDINATES TO HELP GUIDE THE COMMITTEE THAT WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR FOUR SORT OF STEERING HOW THAT MONEY IS SPENT. WE KNOW THAT MANY ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES TRANSCEND JURISDICTIONAL LINES. FOR EXAMPLE, TRAFFIC AND WATER QUALITY AND THAT MAKES THE REGIONAL GREEN SPACE PENNY ESPECIALLY PRAGMATIC COUNTY IS UNIQUELY POSITIONED TO BE THE LEADER HERE BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT A GREEN SPACE HAPPENING WOULD BE IN PLACE.

>> WE'RE EXPERIENCING UNPRECEDENTED LEVELS OF NEW RESIDENTS CONVERSION OF FORESTS AND WETLANDS TO ROOFTOPS AND AND THIS IS IN SPITE OF SOME SIGNIFICANT VULNERABILITY TO RISING SEA LEVEL, TO FLOODING, TO STORMWATER CHALLENGES AND INCREASED FREQUENCY OF STORMS. JUST WANT TO END BY SAYING NOW IS THE TIME TO ACT AND COUNT SO CAN GIVE BEAUFORT COUNTY THE OPTION INPUT IMPLEMENT THIS NEW TOOL I THINK WOULD BE GREAT. THANK YOU.

>> CHUCK, TELL US GRANT. I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE MICROPHONE.

GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF COUNCIL I SAT HERE A LITTLE BIT EARLIER LISTENING TO TOM DAVIS AND SHANNON ERICKSON GREG JEALOUS WISHING THAT WISHING THAT THEY WERE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF LADY'S ISLAND IN THE LADY'S ISLAND PLAN. THEY WERE VERY ARTICULATE I THINK I THINK THEIR PROPOSAL IS AN INTERESTING ONE BUT I FEAR THAT WE ARE WE RISK FALLING FALLING PREY TO POLICY ADHD. LOOKING AT THESE TWO REFERENDA ISSUES, YOU KNOW, IT WAS FIVE YEARS AGO THAT DESIGNING LADY'S ISLAND WAS HELD ATTRACTING ABOUT 500 PEOPLE AND LADY'S ISLAND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND SORT OF DEMANDING THAT SOMETHING BE DONE ABOUT TRAFFIC

AND DEVELOPMENT ISSUES ON LADY'S ISLAND. >> THAT WAS FIVE YEARS AGO IN 2018. WE PASSED A 30 MILLION DOLLAR REFERENDUM TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THESE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS SO FAR. WE HAVE A RIGHT TURN LANE AT

WALGREENS TO SHOW FOR IT. >> AND BECAUSE THE ENTIRE PROGRAM WAS UNDER BUDGET FOR ALL KINDS OF REASONS WE'RE FORCED TO WAIT UNTIL WE SOMEHOW FIND THE REMAINING 41 MILLION

DOLLARS TO COMPLETE THESE 10 PROJECTS. >> TRANSPORTATION REFERENDUM WAS AN OBVIOUS ROUTE TO THIS END. AND SO AS A RAISE GRANT FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT HAS BEEN APPLIED FOR BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONFIDENCE THAT ANY

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THESE TWO PROPOSALS. >> NUMBER ONE, THE OBVIOUS ONE IS THAT LADY'S ISLAND HAS TO BE PUT ON THE WAITING LIST ONE MORE TIME. AND I REMIND YOU IT'S NO LONGER A LADY'S ISLAND IS NOT SOME HAMLET BUT POPULATION THE LARGEST SINGLE UNINCORPORATED JURISDICTION IN THE COUNTY. BIGGER THAN BEAUFORT. BIGGER THAN PORT ROYAL.

>> SECOND IMPACT IS THAT TRAFFIC ON LADY'S ISLAND CONTINUES TO GET WORSE AND DEVELOPMENT CONTINUES APACE COMPLICATING OUR ABILITY TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON A VERY WELL

THOUGHT OUT LADY'S ISLAND PLAN THAT YOU APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. >> AND IF IT HAPPENS WILL BENEFIT EVERY CORNER OF BEAUFORT COUNTY NORTH OF THE BROAD THE LAST IMPACT.

>> AND I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT IS VOTER REACTION TO THE REFERENDUM PROCESS.

>> IF WE CAN CASUALLY ASK TAXPAYERS AS WE DID IN 2018 TO PUT UP 30 MILLION DOLLARS AND THEN JUST AS CASUALLY SAY WELL WE HAVE OTHER PLANS OR REFERENDA AND COUNTY

GOVERNMENT, I THINK WE'LL LOSE CREDIBILITY. >> JUST REFERENDUM FATIGUE.

BUT REFERENDA, CANCER. THANKS VERY MUCH. MIKE TOLD ME THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN AND COUNTY COUNCIL AND MIKE TOLD ME I'M GOING TO NOT REITERATE EVERYTHING CHUCK HAD SAID BUT I TOTALLY AGREE WITH IT. I THINK THAT ALICE HOWARD HAD SOME VERY GOOD POINTS. I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED AND CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION CHAIRMAN OF THE NORTH REGIONAL PLAN IMPLEMENTATION AND CHAIRMAN AND CEO LADY'S ISLAND CIVIC CENTER TASK FORCE AND WE'VE SPENT WITH THE TASK FORCE AND OTHER MEMBERS NOW FIVE YEARS IN THE PLANNING PROCESS, THE PLANNING PROCESS IS CONTINUING BUT IT CAN'T CONTINUE UNTIL WE RESOLVED THE ACCESS ROADS AND 21 TRAFFIC IN BEAUFORT COUNTY IS AT A BREAKING POINT AND IT'S JUST GETTING WORSE AND UNLESS WE CAN RESOLVE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US, WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE IN MORE TROUBLE IN TWO MORE YEARS WHEN WE CAN MAYBE LOOK AT A DRAFT TRANSPORTATION REFERENDUM.

AGAIN, I REALLY THINK THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER STRONGLY THE TRANSPORTATION REFERENDUM.

I'M NOT AGAINST GREEN SPACE AT ALL. MEMBERS OF THE OPEN LAND TRUST AND REALLY BELIEVE IN ALL THOSE THINGS TOO. BUT OUR TRANSPORTATION IS AT CRITICAL MASS AND WE REALLY DO NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> BRIAN, I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE ON ZUNE WHO WISH TO MAKE COMMENTS.

>> DO WE KNOW WHO THEY ARE AND WHAT THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT? >> RUN REALLY COLD CAREER THERE . THEY'RE ONLINE FOR THEIR A LARGE MAN BUT I DON'T SEE

ANYONE ONLINE. >> SHE'S NOT ON THEIR COUNTY COUNCIL.

>> YES, I AM ACTUALLY ON THE LINE. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I'LL BE VERY BRIEF. I JUST WANT TO REITERATE ALL THE POINTS ABOUT MELROSE. I AM A MEMBER OF PROPERTY OWNER AND HAVE BEEN FOR 15 YEARS.

>> IT'S VERY DISTURBING WATCHING WHAT IS HAPPENING. >> PLEASE KNOW THAT WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH CONTINUED CONVERSATION AND MY HOPE IS THAT YOU'LL LISTEN TO THE DEVELOPER WHO HAS A VISION FOR MELROSE TO BRING ENHANCEMENTS OPPORTUNITY FOR NOT JUST MELROSE OR FOR THE ENTIRE ISLAND AND FOR HER COUNTY. AND I THANK YOU FOR THE

OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE WORKING TOGETHER. >> THANK YOU.

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>> THANK YOU. OK. WE WILL END THE FIRST CITIZEN COMMENTS SECTION AND MOVE ON TO THE IS ON THE COMMITTEE REPORTS.

WERE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF COUNCIL WISH TO GIVE A COMMITTEE REPORT?

>> THAT WOULD BE A FIRST. OK. MOVING ON.

[12. APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA]

>> A SECOND PLEASE. SECOND THE MOTION. MISS HOWARD MAKES THE SECOND.

THIS WILL BE DONE WITHOUT OBJECTION AND I SEE NO OBJECTIONS.

[13. PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE ANY AND ALL DOCUMENTS NECESSARY TO ACCEPT CONVEYANCE OF THE REAL PROPERTY IDENTIFIED AS TMS NO. R200 014 000 0139 0000 (WHITE HALL)]

>> AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE ANY AND ALL DOCUMENTS NECESSARY TO ACCEPT CONVENIENCE OF THE REAL PROPERTY IDENTIFIED AS T.M. NUMBER ARE TWO HUNDRED FOURTEEN

TRIPLE ZERO 0 1 3 9 4 0 WHITE ALL. >> MAY I HAVE SUCH A MOTION? JUNE. MR. GLOVER MAKES THE MOTION A SECOND PLEASE.

>> THE MOTION IS HOWARD MAKES THE SECOND. IS THERE ANY MEMBER OF THE

PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? >> IT'S ACTUALLY A PUMP STATION THAT WE'RE GETTING APPROVAL FOR CONVEYANCE. MR. HERBERT.

YOU'RE SO HAPPY ABOUT THIS, RIGHT? WE'RE VERY EXCITED.

>> I SEE THAT THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS. I'VE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING.

[14. APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION TO CORRECT A SCRIVENER’S ERROR IN AN EXISTING ORDINANCE.]

>> ITEM NUMBER 14 IS THE APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION TO CORRECT A SCRIBNER'S ERROR IN IN AN EXISTING ORDINANCE. THOSE OF YOU IN THE AUDIENCE WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEXT A SCRIVENER AREA IS SCRIBNER'S ERROR IS IS OKAY. WE MADE A MISTAKE AND NOW WE ARE GOING TO CORRECT THAT MISTAKE. SO MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF SUCH A RESOLUTION? MAKE MOTION. MR. LAWSON MAKES THE MOTION.

MAY I HAVE THE SECOND I'LL SECOND MR. CUNNINGHAM MAKES THE SECOND MOTION.

[15. SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE FOR A 2022 COUNTY GREEN SPACE SALES TAX REFERENDUM]

>> SOME MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. CUNNINGHAM MAKES THE MOTION. MAY I HAVE A SECOND? MR.. HER VERSION MAKES THE SECOND. DOOLEY MOTION AND SECONDED THE PURPOSE OF OUR DISCUSSION NOW IS NOT WHAT WILL BE THE ESSENCE OF MOVING FORWARD.

WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO DIGEST.

THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS SO THAT WE CAN GET THE APPROPRIATE INFORMATION WE NEED TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. AND THIRD READING ON THIS. SO ANY DISCUSSION WILL BE AROUND WHAT YOU'VE HEARD, WHAT YOU THINK WE SHOULD DO BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE.

SO MR. CUNNINGHAM, YOU MADE THE MOTION. ANY THOUGHTS?

>> YEAH, I'LL KEEP IT BRIEF. SHERMAN THANK YOU. LIKE I SAID, EARLIER, I JUST THINK IT'S TIME THAT WE PUT OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS AND THAT.

AND WHEN I SAY THAT I MEAN WE TALK ABOUT TRYING TO SLOW THE GROWTH IN COUNTY.

THIS IS ACTUALLY AN ACTION OF DOING THAT INSTEAD OF ADDING ROADS AND ADDING TO OTHER AREAS . I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY WELL WE NEED TO FIX THE ROADS.

100 PERCENT AGREE BUT UNTIL WE CAN STOP THE GROWTH WE'RE JUST CHASING THE TAIL OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND ASKING FOR MORE MONEY AND MORE MONEY TO FIX THE ROADS, BUILD NEW ROADS . THIS IS AN ACTUAL TOOL AND A PLAN TO SLOW DOWN THE GROWTH, BUY UP SOME OF THE HOUSES THAT COULD BE BUILT IN THE FUTURE TO LOWER THAT DENSITY.

IT'S ACTUALLY PUTTING THE BRAKES ON SOME OF THE GROWTH IN COUNTY.

IT IS A NEW TOOL. WE WOULD BE THE FIRST ONES TO TRY IT WOULDN'T BE THE FIRST TIME WE'VE DONE SOMETHING THE FIRST AND WE MIGHT WAIT AND WE MIGHT LOSE BUT AT LEAST WE'RE PUTTING OUR FOOT FORWARD. SO I DO SUPPORT THIS. I WILL OPPOSE THE TRANSPORTATION TAX COMING UP AFTER THIS BECAUSE I DO I DON'T BELIEVE WE SHOULD COME FOR TWO REFERENDUMS IN THE SAME YEAR. I DO THINK THE NEGOTIATIONS SHOULD BE OPEN FOR HOW MUCH? HOW LONG? I'M MORE INCLINED TO GO FOR A FOUR YEAR AT A FULL PENNY INSTEAD OF 10 YEARS OUT OF HALF A PENNY JUST BECAUSE THAT FOUR YEARS WILL GIVE US THE TRUST AND THE PUBLIC SAY HEY LOOK, WE WE TRIED THIS PROGRAM. THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO SHOW FOR IN THIS SHORT PERIOD OF TIME IF WE GO FOR THE FULL PENNY FOR THOSE FOUR YEARS, WE CAN'T BOTH FUNDED THE CALCULATIONS CORRECT. LAST TIME IS LIKE 70 MILLION

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AND I THINK THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO PUT SOME ACTION INTO PLACE AND AT THE SAME TIME TO IF IT'S SUCCESSFUL THEN WE CAN DECIDE IF WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE TYPE OF PROGRAMS IN THE FUTURE OR MAYBE TRANSPORTATION TAX IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO. AND THAT GIVES US THE TIME FRAME INSTEAD OF WAITING 10 YEARS TO DO. THANK YOU, MISS HOWARD.

YOU WERE THE SECOND. >> ANY COMMENT? I DID NOT MAKE THE SECOND

VERSION HALF A SHOT. >> I'M SORRY I DID WHAT H DOWN THEN JUST SAID HOWARD.

JOHN MR. HER VERSION YOU KNOW YOU MAKE AN OMELET. >> YES.

I'M ALL ABOUT ECONOMICS. IT'S VERY AS I SAID LAST TIME SENATOR DAVIS WAS HERE I VIEW THIS IN PART AS A TAX REDUCTION STRATEGY. IT WILL PUT LESS PUT LESS PRESSURE ON OUR INFRASTRUCTURE WHICH I THINK IS A GOOD THING THAT LEADS TO PUBLIC SAFETY

WHICH I THINK IS A GOOD THING. >> WE'VE HAD EXPERIENCE WITH THE ROLE ON CRITICAL AND PROGRAM SUCCESSFULLY. SO I THINK THAT I THINK THIS IS A GOOD PROGRAM.

IT'S A WINDFALL WHEN I THINK THAT BEAUFORT COUNTY WOULD BE WELL ADVISED TO PUT THIS IN

PLACE AND IN OUR TOOLBOX. THANK YOU, MR. NELSON. >> YES, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT IT . I LIKE THE FACT THAT WE'RE ASKING AS THE HALF CENT SALES TAX WE'RE ASKING OUR VISITORS TO PAY AT LEAST 40 PERCENT I THINK IS WHAT HAS COME ABOUT TO HELP US PAY FOR OUR GREEN SPACE AND TO PUT MONEY ASIDE. SO AGAIN, I AM ALL FOR THIS TO MOVE FORWARD. WE HAD SENATOR DAVIS HERE WHO ASSURED US THAT WE WOULD BE THE ONES THAT SET THE COMMITTEE UP ,THAT WE WOULD BE THE ONES THAT MAKE THE FINAL DECISION.

SO AGAIN, IT STILL BE IN OUR HANDS TO DO THAT. I THINK IT IS A TAX REDUCTION BECAUSE AGAIN THEN WE COULD NOT HAVE THE RURAL AND CRITICAL LANDS WHICH IS A TAX THAT WE ALL PAY CURRENTLY. AND ACTUALLY I THINK IT'S GOING TO HELP NORTHERN BEAUFORT

COUNTY MORE THAN IT HELPS BLUFFTON AND HILTON. >> THOSE ARE PLACES THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF LAND LEFT. SO IT'S GOING TO BE THE AREAS OF NORTHERN BEEF FOR COUNTY THAT ARE RURAL RIGHT NOW THAT ARE GOING TO ACTUALLY GET THE MOST BENEFIT FROM THIS AS WE

PROTECT LANDS AND KEEP THEM FROM DEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE. >> MISS HOWARD, MR. CAMERON AND VERY EXPRESSED MANY OF MY CONCERNS ABOUT THIS. I WILL NOT VOTE FOR THIS AT THIS TIME BECAUSE I FEEL THERE'S TOO MANY QUESTIONS AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ALL THE INGREDION FOR OUR OMELET THAT WE KNOW FOR SURE TO GO BACK TO THAT SIMPLE ANALOGY WHICH IS THIS IS NOT SIMPLE BY ANY MEANS BUT I WILL NOT VOTE FOR THIS AT THIS TIME UNTIL WE GET MORE ANSWERS ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT IT. I THINK OUR RURAL AND CRITICAL LANDS PROGRAM I KNOW FOR A FACT HAS BEEN NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED BY MANY ORGANIZATIONS.

WE HAVE THAT TOOL. WE HAVE OTHER TOOLS SUCH AS OUR ZONING IN OUR COUNTY AND IN OUR MUNICIPALITIES. AND WE ALSO HAVE AN OUTSTANDING STORMWATER PROGRAM WHERE WE CAN WORK WITH RESILIENCY. I'M JUST NOT SURE THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME FOR THIS.

THE TRANSPORTATION TAX PROVIDES US WITH THE GREENBELT AND IT IS PROVEN SUCCESSFUL IN CHARLESTON. I THINK WE SHOULD WE SHOULD DO THAT.

AND THEN IN TWO YEARS WHEN ALL THE THINGS WORKED OUT WITH THIS PARTICULAR LEGISLATION, MAYBE

WE CAN PASS. >> MR. GLOVER COMMENTS. YES.

YES. I DO HAVE A COMMENT. >> YOU AND I DO SUPPORT

GREENPEACE. >> THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT .

>> BUT I AGREE THIS MAN THAT I KNOW IN THE LOW COUNTRY BASICALLY SAID TO ME SEVERAL

YEARS AGO HE RETIRED. >> DANA BEACH PLAN, INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN, WHATEVER YOU DO, MAKE SURE YOU PLAN FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND HOW DO YOU BALANCE? AND THAT'S WHERE I AM RIGHT NOW. I'M TRYING TO BALANCE INFRASTRUCTURE GREEN SPACE AND I CAN'T SEE I DON'T WANT TO DO ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER.

SO I'M ACTUALLY IN FAVOR OF BOTH. EVEN THOUGH THE INFRASTRUCTURE MAY BE REDUCE THE AMOUNT I'M IN FAVOR MOVING THIS FORWARD BOTH EVEN THOUGH IT'S A SEPARATE REFERENDUM WITH BOTH AND LET THE PUBLIC DECIDE WHETHER THEY WOULD SUPPORT BOTH OR NOT.

BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE IN DEREK CAME BEFORE US AND TOOK US TO DREAM AND TO TRAVEL THE ROAD LESS TO THE ROAD LESS TRAVELED. AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GOING ON THE RIGHT PATH. I DON'T WANNA LEAVE

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SUPPORT MR. REAGAN. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. A COUPLE OF THINGS.

AS I'VE REFLECTED ON THIS, WE ACTUALLY NEED TO DO BOTH. AND THE QUESTION BECOMES HOW DO

WE DO THEM AND HOW DO WE SIZE THEM? >> THE GREEN CASE IS SENATOR DAVIS SPOKE TO IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A WHOLE BUNCH OF REASONS AND INTERESTINGLY BACK OF THE ENVELOPE CALCULATION IF I DID IT CORRECTLY IF WE BUILD OUT THE PLANTED UNITS IN IN BLUFFTON AND ADD A FEW IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY AND HELP NATS BUILD OUT ANYWAY WE'RE GOING TO DOUBLE THE POPULATION OF BEAUFORT COUNTY.

AND SO IT'S TIME THAT WE WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. SECONDLY, FROM A TRANSPORTATION STANDPOINT POINT GERARD HAD WHAT HE CALLED SOME TIME BACK THE BEAUFORT BILLION WHICH WAS REALLY A BILLION AND A QUARTER WHICH WAS LOOKING AT THE ROADS THAT WE NEED OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS. SO EVEN THE REFERENDUM WE'D BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS ONLY HALF OF WHAT WE NEED. SO AND I SAID A COUPLE WEEKS AGO WHEN THIS FIRST CAME UP AND I UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM PUTTING BOTH ON THE SAME ONE BUT IT'S A MATTER HOW WE GET THERE. BUT I REALLY BELIEVE AT THE END OF THE DAY WE NEED THE FULL PENNY ON THE TRANSPORTATION AND WE NEED THE FULL PENNY ON THE ON ON THE GREEN SPACE FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT WE'VE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. I'M NOT CLEAR WHAT ACTUAL VERSION OF THE GREEN ONE IS ON THE TABLE AT THIS POINT IN TERMS OF NUMBER OF YEARS THE SIZE IF WE HAVEN'T DECIDED THAT YET. OK.

WELL IT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF WE'RE AT SECOND READING WE NEED TO DECIDE THAT OTHERWISE WHEN WE DO DECIDE THAT WE'RE BACK AT SECOND READING BECAUSE IT'S A MATERIAL CHANGE SO WE CAN'T LITERALLY MAKE THAT CHANGE AT THIRD READING. SO TO ME I THINK WE WERE AT A POINT WHERE WE NEED TO SIZE THAT AND THE ACTUAL REFERENDUM IS TO GO TO COLUMBIA WHEN SOMETIME IN AUGUST. YES, AUGUST 15TH. AUGUST 15TH.

AND WE HAVE A COUNCIL MEETING AUGUST 28TH, AUGUST 8TH. SO YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH. WE MAY NEED TO SCHEDULE ONE OR TWO MORE COUNCIL MEETINGS TO GET THROUGH THIS. BUT CLEARLY I THINK WE'VE GOT TO DECIDE BEFORE WE PASS

ANYTHING AT SECOND READING. >> OK, ONLINE MR. SOMERVILLE, I SAW YOUR HAND WAS THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THIS IS THIS IS A THREADING THE NEEDLE IN MY MIND.

I'VE GIVEN IT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF THOUGHT. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS THAT OUR LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION PARTICULARLY SENATOR DAVIS HAS PUT INTO THIS.

THERE'S NO QUESTION IN MY MIND WE NEED INFRASTRUCTURE BUT DEALING WITH JUST INFRASTRUCTURE. MY MIND IS DEALING WITH THE SYMPTOM RATHER THAN THE PROBLEM. PROBLEM IS CONTINUED GROWTH ACCELERATED GROWTH, RAPID

GROWTH OVERGROWTH. >> AND THE SOLUTION COURTS OR THE OSTENSIBLE SOLUTION IS TO KEEP BUILDING MORE ROADS. PROBLEM IS IT BECOMES A SELF-PERPETUATING PROBLEM.

WE BUILD MORE ROADS, MORE PEOPLE CAN WE GET MORE ROAD NEVER ENDS.

SO THIS WHOLE BUSINESS OF PRESERVATION CONSERVATION HAS TO BE ONE OF THE TOOLS THAT WE USE TO ACTUALLY DEAL WITH THE PROBLEM ITSELF AND NOT JUST THE SYMPTOMS. THERE ARE OTHER POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS THAT ARE A LITTLE MORE DRACONIAN SUCH AS DOWN ZONING AND IN TEMPORARY MORATORIUMS WHEN CIRCUMSTANCES AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO EVER

GIVE UP ANY OF THOSE THINGS. >> BUT I PARTICULARLY I PARTICULARLY ALL AGREE ON THE PRESERVATION OF A LOT SAID TONIGHT ABOUT HOW EFFECTIVE A RURAL CRITICAL LANDS PROGRAM IS. IT'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF SUPPORT BUT ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I'M ASKING MYSELF IS IF IT'S IF THIS IS AN EITHER OR SITUATION WHERE YOU PUT IN INFRASTRUCTURE OR DO WE PUT IN GREEN SPACE HORSE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS A HYBRID.

THERE'S BOTH THE SPACE OF COURSE THAT IS SEPARATE WOULD BE A SEPARATE SEPARATE

REFERENDUM. >> I THINK THIS IS JUST AN OPINION.

I THINK YOU HEARD SOME OF THE RESIDENTS. THESE ARE MY RESIDENTS A LADY'S ISLAND AND I SPEAK ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE HAD A REFERENDUM 2018 FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND ONLY ONE OF NINE OF THOSE PROJECT BUILD OUT WHICH IS TRUE.

THERE ARE REASONS FOR THAT. IT WASN'T BECAUSE WE IGNORED IT WASN'T BECAUSE WE WEREN'T CONCERNED ABOUT IT IS BECAUSE YOU BUILD ANYTHING OF ANY CONSEQUENCE TODAY IN YOUR

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IT TAKES TIME TO GET THE PERMITTING TO DO THE ENGINEERING AND TO DEAL WITH THE FOLKS IN THE AREA. YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE WHATEVER YOU DO. THERE'S GOING TO BE A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO ARE OPPOSED TO IT AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE VOCAL ABOUT IT. SO YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT.

SO ALL OF THE PROJECTS FROM THE 2015 REFERENDUM IN MY DISTRICT, FOR EXAMPLE, ARE UNDERWAY.

SOME ARE WELL UNDERWAY BUT THAT THAT DOESN'T SATISFY THE CONSTITUENTS BECAUSE I WANT TO SAY TO EACH PRODUCT WE ALL WISH YOU WERE THAT SIMPLE. IT'S NOT.

>> BUT BUT MY POINT IS THAT THE MERE FACT THAT WE HAD A REFERENDUM 2018 WHICH WE HAVEN'T COMPLETED DID PUT THAT IN QUOTATION MARKS BECAUSE IT'S FACTUALLY TRUE.

BUT STRUCTURALLY THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT WORKS TAKES A LONG TIME TO GET THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE RELUCTANT TO VOTE FOR ANOTHER TRANSPORTATION REFERENDUM.

SO I SUSPECT THAT IF WE PUT EITHER ONE IF WE JUST PUT A TRANSPORTATION REFERENDUM ON IT FOR A PENNY FOR WHATEVER PERIOD OF TIME, I'M NOT SURE IT WOULD PASS.

I SUSPECTED IT WOULD NOT PASS FOR THE REASON I STATED PERHAPS OTHER REASONS.

I DO THINK THAT THE CHANCES OF THE CHANCES OF GETTING A GREENBELT REFERENDUM PASSED ARE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER EVERY YEAR THAT TAKES BY EVERY YEAR THAT TICKS BY WE'RE LEAVING SIXTY SEVENTY THOUSAND MILLION DOLLARS ON THE TABLE AND WE DESPERATELY NEED FOR TRANSPORTATION. WE DESPERATELY NEED IT FOR PRESERVATION.

SO I THINK A YEAR OR ANOTHER YEAR SHOULDN'T GO BY WITHOUT US ASKING OUR VOTERS TO CONSIDER GIVING IT THAT MONEY. THAT'S 60 OR 70 MILLION OF WHICH THEY ONLY PAY HALF.

SO WE CAN EITHER DO GREENBELT OR OR MORE ROAD CONSTRUCTION. YOU HEARD SENATOR DAVIS VERY CANDID TONIGHT AND IN TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE IS NO GUARANTEE AND I HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH YOU AS RECENTLY AS YESTERDAY THE DAY BEFORE YESTERDAY THERE IS NO REASON NOBODY CAN GUARANTEE WE'RE GOING TO GET ANY MONEY FOR ROAD PROJECTS.

OUR LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION IS GOING TO WORK HARD FOR THAT. THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.

THE SOUTHERN AND NORTHERN ROUTE WORKING HARD. THEY'VE ALREADY SENT LETTERS TO THE SECRETARY OF TRANSPORTATION. BUT WE DON'T KNOW.

IT IS NOT KNOWN WHAT THAT WILL ACCOMPLISH. IT MAY ACCOMPLISH A LITTLE ACCOMPLISH A LOT. IT MAY ACCOMPLISH NOTHING. WE JUST DON'T KNOW.

SO THAT THE TRANSPORTATION PROBABLY IS NOT GOING TO GO AWAY AND WE CERTAINLY CAN'T SIT HERE TODAY AND TAKE A VOTE UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT ALMOST TRANSPORTATION MATTERS ARE GOING TO BE TAKEN CARE OF WITH SOMEBODY ELSE'S MONEY BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THAT.

ABSOLUTELY YOU DON'T KNOW THAT. SO MY HERE'S WHERE I'M COMING AROUND TO.

I THINK THE BEST THE BEST FOR EVERYBODY IS TO COME IN AND DO A GREENBELT REFERENDUM AND I'M GOING TO SAY TWO YEARS RECALL PLENTY AND HERE'S WHY IT'S AT THE END OF TWO YEARS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO GET FEDERAL MONEY FOR THE ROAD PROJECTS THAT WE NEED. I HAVE A PRETTY GOOD EYE RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE NO IDEA. TWO YEARS NOW. WE CERTAINLY WILL.

I HEARD SOMEBODY SUGGEST THAT FOR YEARS THERE'S NOTHING SACRED OR SACROSANCT ABOUT TWO YEARS. IT'S JUST A THOUGHT THAT I HAD. BUT BUT THAT WILL GIVE US ONE HUNDRED AND FOURTEEN HUNDRED TWENTY MILLION DOLLARS IMMEDIATELY FOR GREENBELT.

SO AFTER TWO YEARS IF IT APPEARS TO US WHOEVER SITTING ON THIS COUNCIL IN TWO YEARS WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANY FEDERAL MONEY BECAUSE IT'S ALL GET UP BY THE INTERSTATES, BUILD PROJECTS THEN WE CAN PUT OUR EFFORT THE TRANSPORTATION REFERENDUM ON THEM WITH SOME

GREEN WITH A GREENBELT COMPONENT. >> SO TO ME THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO GO IF WE'RE GOING TO DO A REFERENT. I DON'T THINK A HALF OF ANY ME MAKES NO SENSE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE DETERRED.

>> BUT THERE IS A HALF A PENNY OR ONE PENNY ONLY THING DOING TO A HALF A PENNY HE DOES IS CUT DOWN THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE CAN USE FOR GREEN SPACE OR FOR TRAFFIC MITIGATION.

SO I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO LISTEN CAREFULLY TO WHAT. BUT I HOPE SOMEBODY WILL AGREE WITH ME. MAYBE THEY WON'T THAT WE A NUMBER RIGHT NOW I THINK IT'S WRITTEN 10 YEARS SHORTEN THAT WAIT OUT MAKE IT A PENNY FOR GREENBELT.

GREENBELT. GO AHEAD WITH WITH A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING THAT EITHER WE'RE GONNA GET MONEY FROM THE FEDS THESE ROADS OR WE'RE NOT. IF WE DON'T WE'RE GOING TO IMMEDIATELY PUT OUT A REFERENDUM FOR BOTH PROJECTS IN .

>> NO, NO, NO LATER I WOULD THINK THAT 2024 AND IN BONDED IMMEDIATELY AND GET ON WITH IT IN THE MEANTIME WE MIGHT HAVE WHAT WE MIGHT GET A LITTLE MONEY TO DO SOME PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING SORT OF THING. IT'S A VERY COMPLEX PROBLEM. BUT THAT'S MY TAKE.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. FLOWING. >> YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. YOU KNOW, I AND I AGREE WITH ALL HE AND I DID NOT HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS BUT OUR THINKING WAS VERY, VERY SIMILAR.

I THINK THAT TWO YEARS REALLY SOLVES A COUPLE OF PROBLEMS. AND WHEN IT COMES TIME I'LL BE

HAPPY TO SECOND THAT MOTION. PAUL, THANK YOU. >> MR. DAWSON.

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BUT I THINK IT'S GREEN SPACE INITIATIVE IS A GOOD ONE. >> BUT AS WITH THE TRANSPORTATION REFERENDUM AS WELL AS IT MEANS SPACE REFERENDUM, I JUST THINK TIMING IS NOT IS NOT RIGHT AND I DON'T THINK THIS TIME I'VE SAID THAT ON THE TRANSPORTATION REFERENDUM, THE ONE THAT FAILED I SAID THAT'S ON THE ONE THAT WE RATED IT FOUR AND I SAY THE SAME THING ABOUT 3D SPACE. FOR US TO PUT IT ON REFERENDUM IN 2020 TO I THINK IS THE WRONG THESE REFERENDUM IN MY OPINION. I THINK THEY STAND A BETTER CHANCE OF THE CITIZENS PASSING IT IN 2024 RATHER THAN 2022. BUT NEVERTHELESS I'M GOING TO SUPPORT IT.

I'M GOING TO VOTE TO GO TO THE CITIZENS AND LET THE CITIZENS MAKE THAT DECISION FOR US.

>> MR. MCKELLEN YEAH. YEAH, THANKS. MR. CHAIRMAN, I BELIEVE MR. RODMAN IS CORRECT THAT BOTH AREAS NEED ATTENTION TRANSPORTATION AND PRESERVATION . I BELIEVE THAT OUR DELEGATION IS GOING TO DELIVER THOSE FEDERAL FUNDS AND THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO USE THAT MONEY FOR THE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE AND IMPORTANTLY WITH NO TAX IMPOSED ON LA RESIDENTS. I SAID EARLIER THAT I SEE THIS SCREEN SPACE ORDINANCE THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING POSITIVE TO ENSURE THERE'S NO FURTHER DETERIORATION OF OUR ENVIRONMENT. AND I SUPPORT IT 100 PERCENT.

I'VE NOTICED OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS THAT WHENEVER WE HAVE A QUESTION THAT WE'RE REALLY UNSURE OF DO TEND TO ASK EACH OTHER WHAT ARE THE OTHER JURISDICTION DOING? WHAT'S HAPPENING IN GREENVILLE AND WHAT'S HAPPENING IN SPARTANBURG AND WHAT'S HAPPENING IN CHARLESTON? WELL, I THINK IT'S ABOUT TIME THOSE JURISDICTIONS SAID WHY DON'T WE CHECK AND SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING, BEAUFORT? AND IF WE'RE ABLE TO PASS THIS GREEN SPACE, WE'LL BE SETTING A MODEL FOR OTHERS TO FOLLOW. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> MY COMMENTS ARE THIS WE LISTEN VERY CAREFULLY TO OUR DELEGATES, OUR DELEGATION MEMBERS TALKING ABOUT THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE POSED AND HOW THEY WILL GET US THE ANSWERS. I AM A FIRM BELIEVER THAT WE SHOULD GO FORWARD WITH A 22

REFERENDUM ON GREEN SPACE. >> IF IN FACT IT DOES PASS BY OUR TAXPAYERS, WE DO NOT BEGIN COLLECTING THE MONEY TILL THE FOLLOWING MAY THINK ABOUT THAT TIME MARCHES ON.

IT IS CRITICAL THAT WE MOVE FORWARD. YES, WE ARE GOING TO BE OUT THERE NUMBER ONE DOING SOMETHING THAT NOBODY ELSE HAS DONE BUT WE HAVE THE BLUEPRINT . WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE. WE HAVE BEEN CALLED WE KNOW WHAT TO DO AND HOW TO DO IT. AND I AM SURE THAT WE CAN TALK TO THEM.

AND COASTAL CONSERVATION LEAGUE ABOUT TARGETING PROPERTIES THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THE GREEN SPACE REFERENDUM BECAUSE IT IS RURAL AND CRITICAL LANDS. IT IS A TAXPAYER WIN TWOFOLD.

NUMBER ONE, WE GET TO BOND THE MONEY IMMEDIATELY AND USE THE SALES TAX TO PAY THAT BACK INCLUDING THE CURRENT DEBT THAT WE HAVE WHICH WILL REDUCE THE TAXPAYER FUNDS.

NOW AS TO HOW LONG A PERIOD OF TIME AND HOW MUCH MONEY WOULD WE GENERATE? I ONBOARD WITH BRIAN AND PAUL THIS IS A MEANS AND METHOD OF STARTING THE PROCESS.

WE WOULD BE THE FIRST ONES THE LEGISLATION MUST BE DONE IN EVEN YEARS.

WE DO IT THIS YEAR. WE ARE SUCCESSFUL. WE SHOW THAT IT CAN BE DONE.

WE KNOW FROM WHAT RURAL AND CRITICAL LANDS HAS DONE COMING BEFORE US TO BUY PROPERTY HOW LONG IT TAKES. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT PROPERTIES IN SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR BEFORE THEY ARE EVENTUALLY PURCHASED OR THE RIGHTS ARE PURCHASED.

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NECESSARY TO DO IT AGAIN. >> SO I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THE GREEN SPACE REFERENDUM AND IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT ON THE TABLE THE TIMEFRAME AND THE AMOUNT GOING FORWARD, I THINK THAT THAT'S APPROPRIATE AS WELL.

>> DO YOU AGREE? MR. ATTORNEY, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO NEED MORE THAN THAT.

>> I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO NEED IF YOU LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE YOU'RE GOING TO NEED THE PERCENTAGE OF A PERCENT. YES, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF TIME.

YOU'RE GOING TO NEED THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF MONEY. YEAH.

AND YOU'RE ALSO GOING TO IF YOU'RE GOING TO INCLUDE THE ISSUANCE OF BONDS THEN YOU MUST IDENTIFY THE PRINCIPAL AMOUNT OF THE BONDS PROPOSED TO BE AUTHORIZED AND THE SOURCE

OF PAYMENTS FOR THOSE BONDS. >> AND EXCUSE ME IF OTHER SOURCES OF REVENUE WILL BE USED

FOR PROCUREMENT PURPOSES THAT'S THE WAY I READ IT. >> AND I'M NOT SURE, SENATOR DAVIS, YOU YOU AGREE THOSE ARE THE ISSUES THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED, RIGHT?

>> OK, THAT'S FINE. CAN YOU RAISE THIS WHETHER YES. YES.

THE QUESTION BECOMES WHAT AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD? ARE YOU GOING TO RAISE THAT REVENUE STREAM AMORTIZE? PRECISELY.

THANK YOU. >> OK. MR. CUNNINGHAM.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. BRIEF STATEMENTS FOR SOME OF THE THINGS WE HEARD IN IS WE'RE STILL DEBATING ABOUT FREEDOM BEFORE THIS OR NOT. PUTTING BOTH ON A RENT BUT THE REFERENDUM SOUNDS LIKE A HORRIBLE IDEA TO ME PERSONALLY IF WE STARTED THIS PROCESS LAST SUMMER BEFORE TRANSPORTATION. WHEN WE GET SOME OF US UP ORIGINALLY BROUGHT THAT UP I COULD SEE HOW THAT WE'D HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO ADVOCATE FOR THAT AND EDUCATE BUT NO LOSS SALES TAX THAT WE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD INSTEAD FELL BY OVER 70 SOME PERCENT.

THAT WAS FOR A REASON. SO I DO STILL THINK THE GREEN SPACES WHERE WE NEED TO GO THIS GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO PULL DOWN FROM THE STATE THAT DOES DIRECTLY HIT BEAUFORT COUNTY RESIDENTS WITH AN EXTRA TAX FOR BOTH OF THEM. WITH THAT SAID, PULLED THE MATH AND LOOKED AT THE STUFF THAT SENATOR DAVIS GAVE US. THERE'S 35 MILLION FOR 10 YEARS A HALF A PENNY SAYS AN ESTIMATE OF 35 MILLION A YEAR A HALF PENNY.

SO WE NEED A FULL PENNY. WE COULD ESTIMATE THAT AT 70 MILLION FOUR YEARS.

THAT PUTS AT 280 MILLION WHICH IS A 70 MILLION DOLLAR DIFFERENCE IF WE WERE TO PUT THE CAP ON THAT AT 300 MILLION BUYS US AN EXTRA 20 MILLION OF CUSHION TO HIT THE TIME BEFORE WE DO THE CAP OR WE MAKE AN EXTRA 20. AND I THINK THE FOUR YEAR ACTUALLY WORKS BETTER IF YOU LOOK AT THE TIME FRAME BECAUSE YES WE DO HAVE TO DO IT ON THE GENERAL CYCLE. SO IF THAT'S THE CASE IT WOULD ACTUALLY END AT FOUR YEARS IN TWENTY SEVEN. BECAUSE IF YOU SAY AND IT HAS TO GO INTO MAY THAT MEANS WE COME BACK IN TWENTY EIGHT WHICH STILL GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ON THAT SAME TIMELINE.

BUT MAXIMIZE OUR PROFITS AND THE TIME TO GET THE MONEY FROM THE STATE.

SO I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION TO CHANGE THE TIME FROM FOUR YEARS FROM TEN YEARS TO FOUR YEARS FROM A HALF PENNY TO A FULL MINUTE. PENNY WITH A CAP AT 300 MILLION

,OK. >> NOW THERE ARE A COUPLE OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEED THERE.

WE HAVE THE TIME FRAME. WE HAVE THE AMOUNT TO BE RAISED.

WE NOW NEED TO KNOW IF WE ARE GOING TO GO OUT FOR FUNDING AND IF WE ARE AS YOU SAID IT WOULD BE FOR THREE HUNDRED MILLION THREE HUNDRED OK AND WOULD BE THE SOURCE OF PAYMENTS.

>> AND WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T GET THAT SOURCE OF PAYMENT? WHAT OTHER MEANS WOULD WE USE

TO PAY OFF THE DEBT? >> MR. MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK THAT THE IF I MIGHT.

>> YES. GO AHEAD, BRIAN. REGARDING THE QUESTION ARE YOU BONDING AUTHORITY? YOU KNOW, WITH THE RURAL AND CRITICAL LANDS MONEY.

>> WE DON'T BOND. YOU DON'T THINK AT ONE TIME WE BONDED OUT PERIODICALLY.

SO I THINK THAT THAT THE QUESTION OF BONDING THE MONEY COULD WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION UNTIL WE SEE THE RESULTS AND MAKE A DECISION ABOUT HOW TO SAVE.

>> UNFORTUNATELY THE WAY THIS PARTICULAR STATUTE CAME ABOUT, THAT'S ALL PART AND PARCEL OF THAT, BRIAN, THAT WE HAVE. YEAH. WE HAVE TO SPECIFY NO NOW.

YEAH. IT'S UNFORTUNATE BUT THAT IT WAS AN ALL ENCOMPASSING LEGISLATION THAT SAYS THIS IS WHAT YOU MUST DO IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD.

>> AND I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY DEPENDING ON WHAT COUNSEL DOES TONIGHT WE COULD PROBABLY WORK CLOSELY WITH OUR BOND COUNSEL TO WORK OUT THOSE ARRANGEMENTS AND THOSE DETAILS.

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>> YES, SEE, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS SETTING IT UP FOR THE THIRD READING, GIVING YOU ALL OF WHAT COUNSEL WOULD LIKE TO DO SO THAT WE CAN APPROPRIATELY HAVE A THIRD READING AND PUBLIC

HEARING TO ALLOW US TO FINALIZE EVERYTHING. >> ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A SECOND

TO LOGAN'S AMENDMENT? >> HE'S GOT. >> WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR FOR THAT. SO YOU MEAN ONE PENNY FOR YEARS TO RAISE?

>> THREE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS AND THEN WE CAN WORK OUT THE OTHER DETAILS AS FAR AS DO WE TAKE ALL 300 MILLION AT ONCE? IF WE DO.

HOW DO WE PAY FOR THOSE BONDS? IS IT GOING TO BE THROUGH THE SALES TAX? AND IF THE SALES TAX DOESN'T RAISE THREE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS.

HOW WOULD WE PAY FOR THE REMAINDER THAT IS NOT RAISED. I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TONIGHT FOR YOU JUST TO MAKE A MOTION AS A PART OF YOUR MOTION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE THE OPTION FOR BONDING IN THE QUESTION AND GIVE A CHANCE TO TELL YOU REFINE THAT HARD THIRD

READING. >> BUT IT NEEDS TO BE A PART IN THE KNIGHT'S MOTION.

I WOULD BELIEVE IN IN ORDER FOR IT NOT BE A MAJOR CHANGE CAME WITH THAT WITH THE OPTION

AMOUNT. >> YES SIR. OK.

GUESS WHAT? >> I'M NOT AS I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND.

COUNCILMAN CUNNINGHAM'S LOGIC DOING IT AT FOUR YEARS VISE DOING IT FOR TWO YEARS AS SUGGESTED BY COUNCILMAN SOMERVILLE AND IT'S DISCUSSED. I MEAN DOES IT PRECLUDE THIS FROM NOT DOING ANYTHING FOR TRANSPORTATION FOR FOUR YEARS IN THAT WHEN WE GET TO

TRANSPORTATION? >> YOU KNOW, YOU SEE MY MOM AND I ABSOLUTELY SEE WHY YOU'RE ASKING THAT AND I'M GOING TO HANG GLIDING SUGGESTED. WELL, YOU CAN DO THAT.

>> ABSOLUTELY. I THINK GIVES US ENOUGH TIME TO GET THE MONEY FROM THE STATE AND SEE IF THEIR ACTION AND COME THROUGH TWO YEARS. I WOULD THINK SO BECAUSE OF THAT TIME WE ACTUALLY PUT THIS INTO PLACE. WE'RE LOOKING INTO NEXT SPRING.

SO THAT'S ALREADY A YEAR INTO WHAT WE WANT TO PUT IN THE PLACE GIVEN THE TIMEFRAME.

SO WE HAVE TO STICK WITH WHAT THE NEW ORDINANCE THAT MR. DAVIS PUT FORWARD.

IT HAS TO GO INTO A GENERAL ELECTION. SO CHANCES OF US COMING BACK AND 20 24 AND A TRANSPORTATION TAX IS VERY HOT AND I STILL THINK WE COULD ACTUALLY DO IT.

I FIGURED WE WERE INCOME PART OF THE TRANSPORTATION TAX THIS YEAR BUT I THINK THIS GIVES US ENOUGH TIME TO START THE PROCESS AND ADVOCATE FOR AND HAVE IT IN PLACE AND THEN YOU ONLY HAVE ABOUT A YEAR TO A YEAR AND FOUR MONTHS IF I DID THAT MATH CORRECTLY A YEAR TO A YEAR AND FOUR MONTHS OF OVERLAP . IF THE TRANSPORTATION TAX PASSES AND THEN WE COULD REALIGN THEM IN 2024 OR MAKE THEM END AT THE EXACT SAME TIME. IF WE GAIN THE TRUST OF THE PUBLIC BUT WITH ONE MORE QUESTION WE DO REALIZE THAT THE TRANSPORTATION DOES INCLUDE GREEN BELTLINE.

I DO OK BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BUT IT DOES HAS WRITTEN I WOULD FAVOR THE 4 PARTLY BECAUSE IF WE DO THE TOO AND THEN WE GO TO DO THE TRANSPORTATION TWO YEARS FROM NOW THEN THAT PRECLUDES CONTINUING THE THE GREEN ONE SO WE'RE BETTER OFF TO HAVE THE FOUR POSITION OURSELVES TO DO

ONE REFERENDUM TWO YEARS FROM NOW AND TRANSPORTATION. >> AND BY THE WAY IF WE DO A FOUR YEAR REFERENDUM FOR THE GREEN SPACE IN 22 IT WOULD BE UP AGAIN IN 26.

WE DON'T START COLLECTING THE MONEY TILL THE FOLLOWING MAY. BUT THE REFERENDUM IS ON EVEN

HERE SO IT COULD BE IN TWENTY SIX. >> OK.

OK. YES SIR. YOUTH FINANCE MINISTRY.

I LIKE YOUR IDEA. >> I THINK THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY BEING TOO AGGRESSIVE TO TRY TO GET THIS PASSED IN SUCH A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. I WILL VOTE FOR IT HOWEVER.

BUT I THINK BECAUSE I THINK FOR SOME REASON WE TO START TALKING ABOUT A WHOLE PENNY OVER FOUR

YEARS. >> I LOOK AT US DOING HALF A PENNY FOR YEARS AND I THINK THAT WOULD GO THROUGH MUCH EASIER THAN THE FULL PENNY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND THEN I WOULD EXPECT THAT THAT WE WOULD THEN COME BACK AND ASK FOR A HALF PENNY FOR TRANSPORTATION AND IN 24 SO WE'RE GETTING SOME ON BOTH. BUT AGAIN, I'LL SUPPORT YOUR

YOUR YOUR MOTION. >> BUT I THINK AGAIN WE'RE WE'RE BEING VERY AGGRESSIVE AND JUST ASSUMING THAT PEOPLE WANT TO PASS THIS. THAT'S FAIR POINT.

LET ME ASK OUR ATTORNEY IF WE PASS THIS THIS EVENING AS PROPOSED WHICH IS A PENNY FOR FOUR YEARS RAISING THREE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS WHEN YOU DO THE ANALYSIS.

>> ADMINISTRATION ABOUT BONDING AND SAY WELL IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT IN THE MARKET TO

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>> AND SO I WOULD I THINK THE WAY I WOULD APPROACH IT WITH REGARD TO THE BONDING IS THAT YOU AUTHORIZE THE BONDING UP TO THE AMOUNT OF THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT THAT'S TO BE GATHERED WHETHER IT'S THREE FIFTY THREE OR FOUR YEARS BUT IT ENDS UP BEING GATHERED 350 OVER TWO YEARS. YOU KNOW IT ENDS BUT IN ANY EVENT IF YOU AUTHORIZE THE ADMINISTRATION TO EXPLORE FUNDING THAT ENTIRE AMOUNT THEN YOU CAN WORK THAT BACK DOWN DURING FOR AN INCREMENT SAYS OK WE'RE GOING I THINK THAT ALL PART OF THAT.

ABSOLUTELY. YES. I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE.

AND YOU KNOW, I WOULD TEND TO THINK WE SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT CONSERVATIVE IN SAYING THAT YOU KNOW, LET'S NOT DO THAT 300 MILLION BECAUSE THEN THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY WE CAN'T COLLECT ALL THREE HUNDRED MILLION IN FOUR YEARS BECAUSE YOU START IN THE FOLLOWING MAY AND LET IT GO FOR FOUR YEARS. SO I WOULD THINK THAT 280 MILLION DOLLARS WOULD BE MORE

BASED ON THE ACTUAL THIRTY FIVE FOR HALF IN 1974. >> WHAT WILL WE DO? WE HAVE THE NUMBERS OF WHAT WE ARE PULLING OFF FOR A FULL PENNY OF THE TRANSPORTATION PARKS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED UNDER 68. SO THAT'S 240 MILLION.

>> BUT WHEN WE WERE OVER HOW MUCH? BY THE TIME IT ENDED AN EXTRA

15 MILLION TO 15 MILLION. SO RIGHT. >> AND THE GROWTH OF THE

ECONOMY. >> MR. GREENWAY, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU WANTED TO TELL US SOMETHING. DON'T RUIN MY NIGHT, MR. GREENWAY.

DON'T PUT ASIDE. I'M JUST AS YOU ARE OMELETS. YOU ALL NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU KNOW OUR BIGGEST ROOM CRAIG LANDS PARTS OF HIS EIGHT MILLION DOLLAR YEP.

300 MILLION DOLLARS IS A LOT OF MONEY IS A LOT OF MONEY AND THAT'S A LOT OF PROPERTIES TO.

>> WELL AND THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT POINT BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE STATUTE, THE VERY LAST PROVISION OF THE STATUTE, IT'S DIFFERENT FROM THE PROVISION IN THE STATUTE THAT GUARD THAT RELATES TO TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX ORDINANCES.

OK, SO LET ME START THERE. UNDER THE CURRENT UNDER THE ONE THAT WE'VE HAD IN 2018 REVENUE THAT IS RAISED IF YOU HAVE MORE REVENUE THAN YOU NEED FOR THE PROJECTS AND THAT EXCESS REVENUE PURSUANT TO THE STATUTE IS HAS TO BE APPLIED TO RETIRE DEBT SERVICES.

OK, IN THE ACT AND WE'RE ALL WORKING THROUGH THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME.

OK, BUT IN THE ACT THE VERY LAST PROVISION SAYS THE STATE TREASURER SHALL DISTRIBUTE THESE FUNDS TO THE COUNTY TREASURER IN THE COUNTY AREA IN WHICH THE TAX IS IMPOSED AND THE REVENUES MUST BE ONLY USED FOR THE PURPOSES STATED IN THE ENACTING ORDINANCE.

SO TO ME THAT MEANS YOU GOT TO SPEND THIS MONEY ON THE PRESERVATION PROCUREMENT.

I MEAN THAT'S THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO IT. YOU CAN'T USE IT TO RETIRE DEBT AND WHAT NOW? NONE. THE LEGISLATURE MAY TWEAK THIS IN SUCCESSIVE YEARS. I DON'T KNOW BUT YOU'VE GOT TO BEAR IN MIND WHAT YOU GET WHAT

YOU WHAT YOU DO GET TOGETHER. >> IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE ACT REQUIRES YOU TO SPEND IT ALL.

MR. CHAIRMAN, MOTION TO GO PAST 8:00. >> YES.

THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO GO PAST 8:00 O'CLOCK. MAY HAVE A SECOND.

>> DULY MOTIONED AND SECONDED. IS THERE ANYBODY WHO OBJECTS SEEING NONE WE WILL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE ON THAT IS A VERY FAIR POINT. WE KNOW FROM THE LAST TIME WE COLLECTED MONEY FOR RURAL AND CRITICAL LANDS IT WAS 20 FIVE MILLION DOLLARS FOUR YEARS AGO AND WE HAVE NOT SPENT ALL OF THAT MONEY YET. SO WE HAVE 15 MILLION LEFT AND WE HAVE WE HAVE 10 MILLION RIGHT PENDING APPLICATIONS RIGHT NOW.

>> SO YOU KNOW, I I LEAN TOWARDS WHAT PAUL AND BRIAN FIRST CAME UP WITH THE IDEA OF LET'S COLLECT A SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF MONEY, LET'S SHOW HOW WE CAN DO THE ENTIRE PROCESS AND IF WE NEED TO IF WE NEED NO MORE MONEY, WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK TO THE VOTERS.

>> AFTER ONE YEAR I'VE MR. CHAIRMAN MR. MCCOLLUM MR. CAVANEY IS NOT LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE ALSO ALLOW US TO PARTICIPATE IN INTENSITY REDUCTION IN ADDITION TO BUYING

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REGULATION. >> YEAH. WELL, THE COUNTY COUNCIL NEEDS TO DECIDE WHAT METHODS IT WANTS TO EXERCISE ITS PRESERVATION PROCUREMENT.

SO THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES. >> THERE'S THERE'S SEVEN THINGS THE COUNCIL CAN DO DOESN'T MEAN THEY HAVE TO DO THEM BUT IT ALLOWS THEM TO DO ANY ONE OR MULTIPLES OF THE SEVEN THINGS AND WHERE I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE LIST ALL OF THOSE OPTIONS OTHER THAN MAYBE LEASE IS IN QUESTION SO THAT PEOPLE WILL KNOW THAT ALL OF US ARE ON THE POTENTIAL TABLE INCLUDING

DENSITY. >> BUT KEEP IN MIND THAT WHENEVER YOU'RE BUYING DENSITY YOU'RE BUYING THAT DENSITY RIGHT AT PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR VS. THE ACTUAL LAND.

>> OKAY. SO YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO BUY A LOT OF DENSITY FOR A LOT LESS

MONEY THAN OUTRIGHT LAND. THAT'S GOOD NEWS . >> SO IT IS GOOD NEWS .

THAT'S GREAT NEWS . BUT AGAIN, THAT'S WHY THE 300 MILLION DOLLAR NUMBER MIGHT BE

A LOT AS A LOT AS A LOT OF MONEY TO TRY TO SPEED UNDER. >> I'M NOT SURE THAT TURNS ANY TIME. THERE'S NO TIME FRAME IN THE ACT THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT SAYS WHEN YOU HAVE TO SPEND THE MONEY BUY. RIGHT.

BUT I DON'T THINK THE STATE LEGISLATURE OR OUR VOTERS WOULD LIKE FOR US TO STOCKPILE 300 MILLION DOLLARS AND LET IT SET IN. I ACCOUNT FOR AN EXTENDED

PERIOD OF TIME TO DO THIS ACQUISITIONS RIGHT. >> OK.

>> SO MR. GLOVER AND THEN WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN COME TO AN AGREEMENT BOTH.

>> I'M JUST GOING TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS MOTION BECAUSE IN THIS SLEEPING STRUCTURE POT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT GREEN SPACE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE NEW

PRESENTATIONAL PENNY RIGHT NOW FOR FOUR OR FOUR GREENS FEES. >> I DON'T SEE HOW YOU CAN GET ANOTHER PENNY FROM MY CONSTITUENTS WHICH MEANS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO CENTS AT SOME POINT IN TIME. THAT'S WHAT I'M YOU OBJECTING TO.

I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR CUT. >> THANKS, JOE. >> NO, NO.

I'VE HAD A LONG TIME. YEAH, YEAH. GO AHEAD.

>> COULD YOU SAY PAUL? >> YES, GO AHEAD. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YEAH. I WILL GLADLY SUPPORT WHETHER IT'S FOUR YEARS OR TWO YEARS WHATEVER T FOLKS ON THIS BODY WILL DO. BUT I WILL I WILL RESTATE MY REASONS FOR TWO YEARS. IT'S HEDGING A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE NO ONE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW WELL WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THIS PROGRAM AND IT'S HAVE SOME LOFTY AMBITION TO IT AND IT WILL PROBABLY BE FANTASTIC SUCCESS BUT WE DON'T HAVE A TRACK RECORD.

AND AT THE END OF TWO YEARS WE'LL HAVE A TRACK RECORD. SO IN THE END AT THE END OF TWO YEARS IF WE HAVE FEDERAL MONEY FOR THE ROADS THEN WE CAN EXTEND THIS.

IF WE DON'T, WE CAN STILL DO THE ROADS WITH THE GREEN GREENBELT COMPONENT.

THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY IN THAT WHICH CAN BE BONDED IMMEDIATELY.

SO I'M CONCERNED IF WE'RE NOT CAREFUL WE'RE GOING TO LOSE SOME SUPPORT FOR THIS FOLKS WHO THINK THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY SHOULD BE ROADS AND SO I THINK WE CAN HAVE OUR CAKE AND EAT IT TOO. AND I THINK IN ORDER TO DO THAT WE HAVE TO ABBREVIATE THE PERIOD. AGAIN, I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO SAY TWO YEARS AND I'LL VOTE FOR IT. BUT IF IF THE SIX PEOPLE IN THIS BODY WANT TO DO FOUR, I'LL

HAPPILY VOTE FOR THAT, OK? >> ALL RIGHT. THE THE DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON

THE FLOOR FOR? >> YES, NOT I'M SORRY. WE'RE SO OPEN.

CHRIS I'LL GO WHEN I FOR THE BOMBING RIGHT. THE OPTION OF LYING TO YOU.

YEAH. SO YOU GUYS YOU'RE STILL OK PROPOSING IT AS A FOUR YEAR ONE PENNY PHRASE X NUMBER OF DOLLARS WHICH I THINK WE SHOULD CHANGE.

YES, PLEASE. OK. I THINK LOGAN'S LOGIC WITH WHAT HE PROPOSED IS ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING.

>> I THINK THAT TO COMPARE TO FOUR YEARS AGO WITH THE RURAL AND CRITICAL PROGRAM I THINK PLAYING DIFFERENT SPORTS I WOULD VIEW THIS AS A HEDGE ON THE INFLATION THAT WE'VE SEEN AND THAT WE MAY CONTINUE TO SAY THE LAND VALUES AND V FOR COUNTY FOR SURE.

>> I THINK IF WE'RE JUST BUYING DENSITY THEN THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY GREEN SPACE.

IT'S JUST LESS DENSITY. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S REALLY GONNA GET WHERE WE NEED TO BE.

I THINK PROBABLY WHERE WE SHOULD END UP IS BUYING MORE PROPERTY, BUY MORE LAND AND

ACTUALLY HOLDING IT FOR ACTUAL TRUE GREEN SPACE. >> I THINK THAT JUST AS SUCCESSFUL AS THE ROLE AND CRITICAL PROGRAM HAS BEEN HISTORICALLY I DON'T I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM GETTING A PENNY PASS FOR FOUR YEARS. I THINK THAT IT ALSO IN SOME IN SOME RESPECTS JUST WILL LOOK

INSIDE OF MISSILE LINES. >> THE TRANSPORTATION AND THE GREEN SPACE SO THAT WE'RE NOT GOING BACK FOR TWO REFERENDUMS AT THE SAME TIME BECAUSE I COULD SEE THAT BEING

PROBLEMATIC. >> SO I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE AND TOTALLY SUPPORT

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AND SO HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTIONS? AND SECONDLY, I'LL YIELD

ABSOLUTELY. >> ABSOLUTELY. I THINK I CAN.

>> SO YOU'RE ONE PENNY FOR TWO YEARS TO COLLECT? >> HOW MUCH MONEY?

>> HUNDRED AND FORTY MILLION AND BOND UP TO 140 MILLION. OK, IT'S SIMPLY A MOTION TO

AMEND. >> YEAH CHAIRMAN I'D SECOND THAT SO WE WILL YOU KNOW THIS WON'T HAVE ANY ANY BEARING ON THE RULING REGARDING THE PRIMARY.

NO I UNDERSTAND THAT. WHAT ONE OTHER POINT COUNSEL. >> SOME MEMBERS OF COUNCIL HAVE EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN DELETING LEASES WITH OPTIONS TO PURCHASE FROM THE LIST OF PROCUREMENT OPTIONS. SO COULD I SUGGEST THAT YOU MIGHT ADD THAT TO THE MIX THAT

WAS ALREADY OUT OF THE AMENDMENT? >> THAT WAS OUR DEAL THAT HAD

BEEN AMENDED. >> I'D NEVER TO SAY THAT. I JUST THOUGHT I HEARD THAT.

WELL, THANK YOU. SO LONG AS THE MINUTES ARE CLEAR.

YES. ALL RIGHT. THE MINUTES WILL BE CLEAR.

>> SENATOR, YOU WERE ON THAT LAST I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED IN THAT THE STATUTE ITSELF THAT'S ON THE REFERENDUM SHOULD NOT BE AND THAT DOESN'T LIST LEASES AS ONE OF THE OPTIONS.

>> WELL, IT IT DOES BUT THAT SECTION OF 10 TO 20 SOME PART B WHEN IT SAYS TWO WEEKS BEFORE A REFERENDUM ACCOUNTING THE ELECTION COMMISSION MUST PUBLISH IN A NEWSPAPER OF GENERAL CIRCULATION. THE QUESTION THAT IS HERE ON THE BALLOT COMMA WITH A DESCRIPTION OF THE METHODS BY WHICH THE COUNTY'S GOVERNING BODY INTENDS TO PROCURE THE OPEN LANDS AND GREEN SPACE. SO I THINK THAT GIVES COUNT COUNSEL THE ABILITY TO PICK AND CHOOSE. YOU THINK IT DOESN'T? I MEAN IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME RIGHT HOW STATE IS NOT PREFERENCE, RIGHT? YES, I WOULD ARGUE THAT IT IS.

YOU BEGAN AS AN GROUP KNOW THE ONES UNDER HIS PARTY. I JUST WORRY ABOUT DEVIATING FROM THE LANGUAGE OF THE REFERENDUM THAT SPECIFIED. BUT I AGREE WITH YOU THAT IF THEY INCLUDE IT THEN THEY CAN CHOOSE WHAT TO DO WITH IT BACK AND FORTH IN THE FUTURE.

>> BUT I THINK IT GIVES THEM THE OPTION AT THIS POINT. BUT I MEAN I DON'T REALLY I'M

INDIFFERENT TO AND I JUST. >> IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD GET SOME ADDITIONAL

RULING ON FOR US? >> YEAH. I MEAN WE HAVE TO DO THAT WHETHER OR NOT IT WOULD BE CAN WE DECIDE IN ADVANCE THAT THEY DO NOT WISH TO HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE? I MEAN HAVING NICK I DON'T THINK THAT THE THIRD READING IF WE HAD ADDED BACK IN THAT WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT. WELL OK.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION IN SECOND ON THE FLOOR TO DO A PENNY FOR TWO YEARS TO RAISE ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY MILLION DOLLARS WITH THE CAPACITY OF BONDING UP TO THAT AMOUNT IS ENOUGH.

>> THAT'S IN OPPOSITION BEFORE YEAR 1 PERCENT. THAT'S CORRECT.

>> NO SIR. I BELIEVE IT'S A MOTION TO A MAN.

YES, I UNDERSTAND IT. THEY AMENDED THAT. SO NOW WE HAVE HAVE TO TAKE THAT AMENDMENT AND IF THAT AMENDMENT PASSES REPLACES THE FOUR YEAR IS THAT DOES IT?

>> WE'RE BACK TO THE FOUR YEAR PROJECT, OK? IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE TAKE ACTION? I WOULD FAVOR THE FOUR YEAR FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.

>> ONE IS I DON'T THINK IT'S ANY HARDER TO PASS THE FOUR THAN THE TWO.

>> SECONDLY, IF WE DON'T START THE PROGRAM UNTIL THE SPRING OF TWENTY THREE WE REALLY HAVEN'T HAD ENOUGH TIME TO DEMONSTRATE PROGRESS. AND ALSO THEN THEY WOULD PUT US IN A POSITION THAT IF WE WANTED TO DO THE TRANSPORTATION PENNY AND 24 THEN WE WOULD HAVE TWO COMPETING REFERENDUMS AGAIN. SO I THINK THE FOUR MAKES MORE SENSE TO ME.

THAT WAS THE EXACT SAME THING THAT I WAS GOING TO MAKE TODAY. I BELIEVE WE CAN BOND.

>> I BELIEVE WE CAN BONDED IMMEDIATELY. WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT TILL REVENUES COMING INTO BOND SO WE CAN COME SHORT THAT BOND WE CAN GET WE CAN GET THE MONEY

IMMEDIATELY. >> I THINK SOMEBODY KNOWS SOMETHING.

I DON'T KNOW. THEN JUMP IN THERE. BUT I THINK I THINK TO SAY THAT WE DON'T WE CAN'T USE THE MONEY TO THE HOTEL THAT WE BY THE TIME IT'S GONE UP AND THAT

DOESN'T MEAN WE'LL RAMP QUESTION. >> YES.

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>> IF WE SHOULD GET A SERVICE THAT YOU START COLLECTING. CORRECT.

>> I THINK THE ENTIRE FRONT BACK. YES, THAT'S RIGHT, SIR.

>> AND THAT'S ALL THE STUFF THAT THE ADMINISTRATION CAN COME UP WITH.

>> THAT'S WHY I MEAN I STILL SUPPORT THE FOUR YEAR. >> I DO THINK THEY SHOULD BE STAGNATED IF WE HAVE ANY CHANCE OF DOING TRANSPORTATION IN THIS IN THE FUTURE TOGETHER.

MAYBE 300 MILLION IS ENOUGH TO LAST US 10 YEARS AND WE KNOCKED IT OUT OF THE PARK.

WE'RE GOOD 10 YEARS. WE SHOWED EVERYBODY THIS IS HOW WE WERE ABLE TO BRING DOWN THE DENSITY AND BUY UP THE LAND. ALL RIGHT. AND THAT GETS US GOING.

BUT I WOULD STILL OPPOSE THE SECOND YEAR AND I PUSH FOR THE FOUR YEAR.

>> ALL RIGHT. THE AMENDMENT ON THE FLOOR WE'RE GOING TO VOTE NOW.

EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT IT IS. ONE PENNY TO YEARS.

HUNDRED AND FORTY MILLION BOND FOR OK. >> MR. SOMERVILLE, YOU MADE THE MOTION YOU GET TO VOTE FIRST. YES. MR. FLOWING.

>> YES. BERNARD, WOULD YOU CALL THE REST PEOPLE PARTY VISE CHAIRMAN

SOMERVILLE WAS FIRST. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. >> YES.

AND THEN MR. FOOTBALLING VOTED NEXT COUNT MEMBER. >> GLOVER IS AT HARBORSIDE NOW A MEMBER RODMAN NO HELP? NO HOWARD YES. COUNCIL MEMBER LAWSON MARK

LAWSON NO COUNCIL MEMBER MIKE ALLEN NO. >> COUNCIL MEMBER DOLPHIN THEME

ONE ANYMORE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER CUNNINGHAM NO FAN THE CHAIRMAN.

>> I'M A YES. ONE TWO THREE FOUR. IS FOUR NOW FIVE FIVE.

WHICH WOULD MEAN IT WOULD BE DEFEATED IF MR DAWSON IS NO LONGER ON LINE.

I DON'T SEE HIM ON THERE. >> CAN WE TAKE THE CALL FOR THE FOUR YEAR? IN THE MEANTIME? WELL, THE DETAILS THAT WE KNOW IT IF IT FAILED.

SO NOW WE'RE AT THE FOUR YEAR. >> YEAH. SO WE CAN CALL THAT QUESTION.

YEAH. OK. SO NOW WE'RE BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION FOR YEARS ONE PENNY TO RAISE. HOW MUCH?

>> THREE HUNDRED MILLION THREE HUNDRED MILLION AND JOB ON A BOND WITH THE OPTION TO BOND.

OK AND MR. CUNNINGHAM YOU BEGIN. SO BRENDAN WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL? MR. CUNNINGHAM GOES FIRST. MR. HER VERSION GOES SECOND AND

THEN THE REST OF THIS VOTE. >> YES, SIR. I CAN'T.

A CUNNINGHAM? YES. CARLSON.

I'M A HALF US VISE CHAIRMAN SOMERVILLE. >> YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER GLOVER COUNCIL MEMBER ROTMAN. >> YES.

COUNCILOR HAUER? NO. NO.

LAWSON PARK LOST IN YES HEALTH MEMBER MIKE ALLEN. YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER HELLO ALI. YES. >> AND THE CHAIRMAN?

>> YES. THAT IS SUCCESSFUL 8 TO 2. OK.

[16. SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE FOR A 2022 STREETS, ROADS, BRIDGES, AND GREENBELTS SALES TAX REFERENDUM]

OK. MOTION AND SECOND PLEASE FOR A SECOND READING OF THE NORMAN ORDINANCE FOR A TWENTY TWENTY TWO STREETS ROADS BRIDGES AND GREENVILLE GREEN BELTS.

>> SALES TAX REFERENDUM. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION MISS HOWARD MAKES THE MOTION.

SECOND, MR. GLOVER MAKES THE SECOND WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST? >> I'D LIKE A QUICK COMMENT.

I MEAN THIS HAS BEEN WELL THOUGHT OUT AND IT DOES INCLUDE GREENBELT AND WE CAN IMPLEMENT IT AND WE CAN DO IT. AND THERE'S TOO MANY QUESTIONS WITHOUT MENTIONING THE OTHER ONE ON THE OTHER ONE. SO WE NEED THIS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

IT BENEFITS EVERYONE. THE ROADS ARE FAILING. SAY IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE.

PLUS WE GET THE GREENBELT SMILEY COMMENTS MR. GLOVER BEFORE KELLY HAS BEEN A LEADER FOR USE AND I THINK PART OF WHAT IS HAPPENING AT THE STATE AND FEDERAL LEVEL AGAIN HAS BEEN A LEADER AND I THINK WE CONTINUE THAT EFFORT BY SHOWING AND DEMONSTRATING THAT

WE DESIRE TO LEAD. >> I THINK JERRY SAY THAT WE NEED ORIGINALLY FOR 10 YEARS A

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AND THIS IS A START TOWARD THAT EFFORT. >> SO I'M GOING TO STAND WITH WHAT I THINK AND KNOW CAN'T HAPPEN IN BEAUFORT COUNTY AND THE STATE OR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT COMES IN. SO BE IT. SO THAT'S WHY I'M STANDING.

OK, OK, I'M GOING. LET'S LET'S GO ON LINE THIS TIME FIRST.

>> MR. SOMERVILLE, THIS IS FOR A VOTE OR A COMMENT? >> COMMENTS FIRST BEFORE WE VOTE. OK. WELL, I'M NOT CLEAR I CAN LOOK AT IT AGAIN. WHAT THE LINE IS THIS AS IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN WE HAVEN'T SAID IT YET. WELL, IT'S REAL. IT WAS 10 YEARS.

SEVEN HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS AS THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE THC.

BUT COUNTY COUNCIL HAS NOT VOTED THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS YEAR.

>> OK. WELL, YEAH, I KEPT HEARING CERTAINLY THERE WERE CERTAINLY

FOLKS OUT THERE THAT WERE GOING TO SUPPORT ONE OVER THE OTHER. >> AND SO AT THIS POINT I WILL SAY I WILL SUPPORT IT WHATEVER NUMBER THAT WE PUT IN THERE. I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE A SUGGESTED RIGHT NOW BUT WHETHER DURATION AND AMOUNT OR WAIT FOR SOMEBODY TO MAKE A MOTION WHEN MR. MCKELLEN I STATED EARLIER I BELIEVE THAT OUR DELEGATION WILL DELIVER THOSE FEDERAL FUNDS TO HOWEVER I'D LIKE TO MOVE THIS ALONG TO A THIRD READING AND WAIT TO SEE WHAT DEVELOPS BETWEEN NOW AND OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING WITH GO INTO THOSE ASSURANCES WE'RE GETTING FROM THE SECRETARY OF TRANSPORTATION AND THE MEMBERS OF OUR DELEGATION WITH REGARD TO HOW WE EXPECT THOSE FEDERAL DOLLARS TO BE ALLOCATED AND DELIVERED TO US IN VOTING

YES. >> MOVING ALONG THE THREE IN THE EVENT THERE IS NO ASSURANCES RECEIVED THAT WE'RE EVER GOING TO EAT THEM. MR. FLOWING MR. CHAIRMAN, I

HAVE. >> I DO BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR STATE DELEGATION AND OUR FEDERAL DELEGATION TO DELIVER PROMISE TO HELP SPUN THAT THOSE PROJECTS. AND I THINK IT'S PREMATURE FOR US TO PUT A QUESTION BEFORE THE VOTERS THIS TIME WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT KIND OF SUPPORT THAT'S GOING TO BE.

I'M GOING TO GO NOW TO MR. LAWSON. >> AFTER HEARING MR. MCKELLEN, I WILL ACTUALLY VOTE YES FOR IT. HOWEVER, I THINK THE TIMING IS BAD NOW THAT WE'VE PASSED A GREEN SPACE. SO I MEAN MY MY GUT FEELING IS THAT YES, WE NEED TRANSPORTATION MONEY. HOWEVER, I DON'T THINK WE'D EVER PASS BOTH IN THE SAME ELECTION CYCLE. BUT AS MR. MCKELLEN SAID, I WILL MOVE I'LL VOTE YES TO MOVE IT FORWARD TO A THIRD READING WHICH AT THAT TIME I MOST

LIKELY WILL VOTE NO. >> MR. VISION. THANK YOU.

I'VE BEEN ALL OVER THE MAP ON THIS FOR THE LAST TIME. >> I WAS GOING TO SUPPORT IT WHEN WE PUT THE GREEN BELT IN NOW THAT WE'VE AGREED BOTH AS A STANDALONE.

I DEFINITELY THINK THAT THERE'S MORE OF A SENSE OF URGENCY THE GREENBELT THAN THERE IS ON THE TRANSPORTATION. I'D LIKE TO SEE THE DELEGATES THE VARIOUS DELEGATIONS TAKE A CRACK AT NASA FUNDING. SO FOR CONSISTENCY PURPOSES AND FOR ALL THOSE OTHER REASONS I'M GOING AGAIN. MR. GLOVER THOSE WILL BE YES, MISS HOWARD.

>> DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANY OTHER THING? MR. RUDMAN MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL

BE NO ON THIS. >> I'M A STRONG PROPONENT OF THE NEED TO DO A TRANSPORTATION REFERENDUM, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE WE CAN HAVE COMPETING ONES AT THIS POINT IN TIME. AND THE OTHER PIECE THAT I WOULD OFFER IS LOOK, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE MUCH SMARTER ABOUT WHAT THE STATE CAN DO IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS, MUCH LESS A COUPLE MONTHS AS TO WHAT CAN HAPPEN. AND HERE'S WHAT I THINK THERE'S TWO THINGS HERE. ONE IS I DO BELIEVE WITH THE AMOUNT OF FEDERAL MONEY THAT IS IS FLOWING THAT WE WILL BE A RECIPIENT OF SOME OF THAT. AND AS I'VE SAID IN THE PAST, IT'S NOT A MATTER I DON'T BELIEVE OF OUR DELEGATIONS WASHINGTON OR LOCALLY.

JUST TAKE A LIST AND GO IN AND SAY OK, WE'RE GOING TO PUT SOME MONEY HERE.

WHAT WE'VE GOT TO DO IS BEAUFORT COUNTY IS IDENTIFY THOSE THREE OR FOUR MAJOR PROJECTS THAT WE WANT TO DO. AND WE'VE GOT TO COME UP WITH THE MONEY TO START THE ENGINEERING SO THAT WE'RE IN THE PIPELINE FOR BOTH THE FEDS AND SOUTH CAROLINA.

AND SO WE LOOK SHOVEL READY. I THINK FAILING TO DO THAT WE WILL BE UNSUCCESSFUL WITH GETTING THAT FLOW OF MONEY. SO BUT I DO BELIEVE IF WE WERE TO DO THAT THEN I THINK WE WILL

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>> MR. CUNNINGHAM, I THINK MR. ROMNEY HIT OUT PART. IT'S THE SAME BELIEF I HAVE.

IF WE'RE GOING TO GO BEHIND ONE REFERENDUM, GO BACK TO THE PUBLIC NOW AND LET'S LET THEM KNOW THAT WE'RE PUSHING FORWARD THIS. WE GOT PUT BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL ONCE BEFORE I SAY LET'S NOT DO IT AGAIN. LET'S LET THE DELEGATION, THE STATE KNOW WE'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR HELP. AND GET THAT OPPORTUNITY.

SO I WILL OPPOSE THE. THE PUBLIC IS A VERY ASTUTE GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS IF WE GO OUT FOR A TRANSPORTATION REFERENDUM AS WELL AS A GREEN SPACE REFERENDUM, THE WAY THE THC HAS PROPOSED THIS FOR 10 YEARS AND 700 MILLION DOLLARS IN THERE ARE DUPLICATIONS.

>> ONE WE JUST PASSED THE GREEN SPACE. THE GREENBELT IS A DUPLICATION OF THAT. SO THAT'S MONEY THAT WOULD BE DUPLICATED AND I'M NOT SURE THAT OUR TAXPAYERS WILL WANT US TO DO THAT. NUMBER TWO, I HAVE BEEN ADAMANT ABOUT THE IDEA WE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEAUFORT COUNTY CITIZENS PAYING THEIR HARD EARNED MONEY IN TAX DOLLARS FOR A REFERENDUM FOR MAJOR ROADS THAT ARE THE RESPONSE ABILITY OF THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA BECAUSE THERE ARE EVACUATION ROUTES WHICH ARE PART AND PARCEL OF WHAT THE THC HAS COME UP WITH AND THAT'S WHY WE WENT TO THEM AND SAID WHAT CAN YOU DO TO GET US MONEY?

>> WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO BE BUT REGARDLESS IT SHOULD NOT BE PART OF A TRANSPORTATION REFERENDUM. WE HAVE LEARNED SEVERAL LESSONS HARD LESSONS FROM OUR VARIOUS REFERENDUMS THAT PASSED IN 2006 AND 18 AS TO WHAT WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO DO AND WHAT WE ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHED. WE HAVE A WAY OF BEANS AND A METHOD OF DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT THIS TIME. WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THE T.A. C'S PROPOSAL WHAT THEY CAME UP WITH WAS SOME SPECIFIC PROJECTS BUT THOSE SPECIFIC PROJECTS REQUIRE THE DEVELOPER OF A PLAN AN ENGINEERING PLAN. YOU NEED MONEY UPFRONT TO DO THAT.

>> AND WE WERE WRONG IN 2006. WE WERE WRONG. IN 2008 18 BY NOT HAVING A PLAN DEVELOPED AHEAD OF TIME. THE ENGINEERING DONE WE HAVE A WAY OF DOING IT.

NOW THIS REFERENDUM THAT WE'RE GOING TO PROPOSE THOSE SHOULD NOT BE DONE IN 22.

IT SHOULD BE DONE IN 24 OR 26 ALLOWING US TO SPEND MONEY TO ONE CREATE THE ENGINEERING THAT WE NEED FOR THE SPECIFIC PROJECTS THAT WE WOULD GET FOR IN NUMBER TWO TO DO SOME PROJECTS THAT ARE ON THAT LIST RIGHT NOW THAT WILL SHOW THE TAXPAYERS OF OUR COMMUNITY THIS

TIME WE GOT IT RIGHT THIS TIME. >> WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING THIS TIME WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU THAT WE'RE SPENDING YOUR MONEY WISELY. SO I AM A NO WHERE WOULD YOU

GET THE MONEY TO DO THE ENGINEERING? >> WE HAVE SOME MEANS METHOD AND ADMINISTRATION COULD BE TARGETED TO SAY COULD WE DO SOME OF IT UNDER 8 PERCENT BORROWING CAPACITY? THAT'S MILLIONS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS A YEAR WAS IF WE DO NOT HAVE ANY WAY TO DO FINE UNLESS YOU ARE WILLING TO RAISE PROPERTY TAXES.

WELL I'M NOT WILLING TO WORK RAISE PROPERTY TAXES BUT WE COULD GO OUT.

>> THAT'S THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION WHAT YOU ALL ARE DOING.

>> WE HAVE SOME MONEY THAT WE CAN PROGRAM AND YOU KNOW, I APOLOGIZE.

>> BUT YOU GUYS PAY ME TO SAY THE TOUGH THINGS TO YOU WHEN YOU'RE LONELY.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. HE USED TO BE SAID THERE'S SOME MONEY TO DO SOME ENGINEERING WORK ON ROAD PROJECTS WITHOUT A FUNDING SOURCE TO DO THE TO DO THE ACTUAL PROJECT.

>> BUT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF NEEDS IN THIS COUNTY THAT BECAUSE DEFERRED ISSUES FROM PAST

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WE GOT A FACILITIES MASTER PLAN THAT IS COMING UP. WE'VE GOT INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES . WE'VE GOT SPANISH IN UP TO FIND THE MONEY TO FINISH UP OUR 2018 PROJECTS. WE'VE GOT TO GO BACK TO THE STATE AND TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND ASK FOR MILLIONS MILLIONS OF MORE DOLLARS TO DO WHAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED TO BE

DONE ON HIGHWAY 278 WITH THE BRIDGES DOWN THERE. >> YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE MONEY

BUT WE DON'T HAVE UNLIMITED RESOURCES. >> SO I AGREE WITH THE APPROACH SAYING WE GOT TO HAVE A PLAN. YOU'VE GOT A PLAN. ONE OTHER THINGS I WOULD ASK YOU ALL TO DO THIS EVENING IF YOU AS YOU VOTE THIS ITEM DOWN IS THAT YOU ALL MAKE IT VERY, VERY CLEAR, ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT YOU APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT THE VOLUNTEERS WHO SERVED ON THAT TRANSPORTATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE PUTTING IN BECAUSE THEY WORKED EVERY WEEK EVERY WEEK FOR SIX OR EIGHT WEEKS TO PUT MAYBE LONGER TO PUT THIS PLAN TOGETHER AND ALL OF THAT WAS TRACKING TO AT LEAST SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED WHEN TRANSPORTATION AND THEN ONE NIGHT SOMEONE SHOWS AND ALL OF THAT IS PUT TO BED FOR SOMETHING THAT I STILL AS COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA IF IT'S GOING TO WORK. APPROPRIATELY OR IF IT IS GOING TO BE FEASIBLE OR IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE COLUMBIA DICTATING WHAT PROPERTIES WE BUY IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS. I KNOW WHAT WAS SAID BUT WHAT WAS SAID AND WAS IN ACTUALITY IS TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. SO WE ALL READ THE QUESTION WE CAN ALL READ THE LEGISLATION. WE'VE GOT LETTERS SAYING THAT THIS IS THE WAY YOU INTERPRET THE LEGISLATION. BUT WE ALSO HAD THAT WITH THE BURNS CASE THAT SUPREME COURT PUT US IN A TAIL SPIN ON LAST YEAR'S WELL READ USER FEE SOME OK.

>> SO BEFORE US IS A MOTION SECOND FOR A SECOND READING FOR A 20 20 TO TAX REFERENDUM WOULD

YOU CALL THE ROLL PLEASE COUNT FOR MEMBER HOWARD? >> YES.

>> MEMBER CLUB? YES. VISE CHAIR SOMERVILLE.

YES. >> COUNCILMAN HERBERT ON COUNCIL MEMBER IVAN.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER LAWSON. >> MARK LAWSON. YES.

IT'S A MEMBER MCKELLEN. >> YES. IT'S A MEMBER FLOWING YOU KNOW

COUNCIL MEMBER CUNNINGHAM. >> NO THE CHAIRMAN I'M A NO SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S FIVE FIVE THAT MOTION IS DEFEATED THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT IS DONE IT'S DEFEATED AS A TWENTY TO

REFERENDUM SAY TO YES GO RIGHT AHEAD. >> I AM A LET ME JUST SEE I'M TROUBLE AND THE REASON I'M TROUBLE IS THAT BECAUSE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE LOCALLY BUT WHAT IS HAPPENING AT THE STATE LEVEL AND AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL IN I DON'T HAVE THE VOTES BY

REGION. >> I NEED THIS COUNCIL AS A WHOLE TO SUPPORT MY REGION AND THAT'S NOT HAPPENING. I CAN SEE THINGS HAPPENING SELF-EMPLOYED DO NOT ABROAD I HAVE JUST AS MUCH PROBLEM NORTH OF ABROAD AS YOU HAVE ON STAFF ABROAD WHEN HIGHWAYS ARE BLOCKED FOR FOUR HOURS STOP EVERYBODY NORTH ABROAD AND THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING MORE AND MORE FREQUENTLY IN I JUST NEED YOUR I NEED THIS COUNCIL TO RECOGNIZE THAT SMALL AREAS NEED

HELP TO THANK YOU. >> OH, I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.

I DON'T THINK A SEVEN HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR REFERENDUM THIS NOVEMBER IS GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND IF IT ISN'T THEN WE ARE REALLY BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL, OK?

[18. SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO APPROPRIATE FUNDS IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH PUBLIC OWNERSHIP OF THE REAL PROPERTY WITH TMS NO. R552 010 000 0648 0000 AND R552 010 000 0649 0000, LOCATED ON HELMSMAN WAY, HILTON HEAD ISLAND]

>> ITEM NUMBER 18 THE SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO APPROPRIATE FUNDS TO ORDER IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH PUBLIC OWNERSHIP OF REAL PROPERTY LOCATED IN HELMSMAN WAY HILTON

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WILL BE APPROVED WITHOUT OBJECTION, SIR. >> AFTER YOU OBJECTED.

SO IT IS APPROVED BUT IT IS NINE YES ONE NO ONE AT TWO. I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN.

TWO. ALL RIGHT. >> THAT WILL BE TWO OBJECTIONS.

[19. APPROVAL OF UPDATED 2022 COUNCIL AND COMMITTEE MEETING SCHEDULE]

SAID SEVEN TO 7 2 1 2 1 0 8 2 1 A.M. YEAH IT'S MY MATH SKILLS. >> OK I NEED A MOTION FOR YOUR APPROVAL OF THE UPDATED TWENTY TWENTY TWO A COUNCIL AND COMEDIC COMMITTEE MEETING SCHEDULE SOME OVER THE CHAIRMAN MR. CUNNINGHAM MAKES THE MOTION SECONDED MR. HARVEY JOHN MAKES THE SECOND ANY COMMENTS QUESTIONS SEEING NONE THIS WILL BE APPROVED WITHOUT OBJECTION

[20. CITIZEN COMMENTS]

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> YES I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT YOU HEAR ME?

YEAH, WE CAN HEAR YOU. OKAY, GREAT. >> ALL RIGHT.

ONCE THE AGENDA ITEMS FOR THE DEFENSE KING ON BURIAL WAS REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA.

I MISS UNDERSTOOD AND THOUGHT THAT THERE WOULD BE NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT.

AND SO I WAS AT WORK AND CAME HOME AND MISSED THAT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR OFFERING ME TO SPEED. I HAD MR. FREDDIE GRANT ME AT THE MERRIFIELD SCHOOL TODAY.

>> HE IS A HE IS A NATIVE ISLANDER AND HE HAS BEEN PASSED ALONG WITH SOME OTHER NAME NATIVE ISLANDERS NOT TO USE THE MELROSE LANDING DOCK FOR FISHING AND CRABBING.

>> SO I WANTED TO JUST SAID THAT SHE HAS GONE HOME, THAT I WANT TO JUST BRING IT TO THE COUNCIL'S ATTENTION THAT I AM THE COMMUNITY IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT I'VE SPOKEN WITH ARE IN FULL SUPPORT OF THE COUNT OF BEAUFORT COUNTY IN ACQUIRING PROPERTY IS KNOWN AS MELROSE DOCK FOR PUBLIC USE, A PERMANENT LOCATION FOR AN EMBARKATION CENTER MUSKY ISLAND AND ON HILTON HEAD WILL GIVE THE COMMUNITY A SENSE

OF SECURITY. >> EVERYONE AGAIN I'VE SPOKEN TO IN THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT SINCE IT WAS PASSED TWO WEEKS AGO HAS EXPRESSED NOTHING BUT EXCITEMENT ABOUT THE COUNTY'S PURCHASE AUDIBLE GASPS THE GROUP THAT'S INTERESTED IN MANAGING CAME TO THE ISLAND EXPRESSING A DESIRE TO BE A PART OF THE COMMUNITY AS THE RESIDENTS HAVE SEEN SO FAR IS THAT THERE ARE LIMITED LIMP THAT THE PARKING FOR RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN LIMITED.

WE'VE BEEN MOVED TO THE BACK AREA A GRASSY FIELD, A GRASSY AREA AND FEEL THERE ARE

CURRENTLY IS NO HANDICAPPED PARKING. >> THE MEN INTIMATE GROUP HAS ALSO STARTED TO CHARGE SMALL BUSINESSES UP TO AS MUCH AS INDICATED 25 PERCENT OF THEIR

SALES. >> NO SMALL BUSINESS CAN AFFORD TO PAY THAT KIND OF USAGE.

THE MANAGE MANAGEMENT MANAGING GROUP AS I'VE STATED HAS ALSO BANNED NATIVE ISLANDERS.

THE GULLAH MEN FROM FISHING AND PLANNING ON AN IT IS THE FEELING OF THIS COMMUNITY THAT REID WOULD LIKE THE COUNTY COUNCIL TO CONTINUE TO PROCEED WITH THE PURCHASE OF THE MELROSE DOCK FOR FOR THE FOR THE PURPOSE OF PUBLIC USE. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK AND I TOTALLY MISUNDERSTOOD. PROCESS AND THE PROCEDURE.

SO THANK YOU FOR FOR THIS TIME TO OFFER THAT COMMENT. >> THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE FOR COMING? CNN IS THERE ANY OTHER ACTION TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL OMELET TIME SEEING NONE. WE ARE ADJOURNED TOP OF THE

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