[IX.1. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by Kurt Hall of Thomas L. Hiatt, Architect, on behalf of the owners Steve and Hillary Meyer, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness to allow the demolition of the existing garden structure and construction of a new 2-story Carriage House structure of approximately 968 SF to be located at 18 Tabby Shell Road, Lot 10 in the Tabby Roads Development, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood General-HD. (COFA-05-22-016707)(Staff - Katie Peterson)]

CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE. YES. FOR 18TH HEAVY SHELL ROAD WHICH IS THOUGHT NUMBER 10 IN THE TAVI ROAD'S DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS TO ALLOW THE DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING GARDEN STRUCTURE AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW TWO STOREY CARRIAGE HOUSE STRUCTURE OF APPROXIMATELY NINE HUNDRED AND SIXTY EIGHT SQUARE FEET TO BE LOCATED AT 18. HAVE YOU ROAD? IT IS IN THE OLD TOWN LIFE IN

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HISTORIC DISTRICT ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL HD WHICH IS THAT ORANGE ZONING DISTRICT.

THIS LIGHT IS SURROUNDED ON ALL SIDES BY THE SAME ZONING DISTRICT AND IS LOCATED ON THE CORNER HERE. IF YOU WERE TO EXPAND THIS SITE PLAN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER YOU WOULD HAVE THE POST OFFICE WITHIN TABBY ROADS OR THAT SMALL LITTLE BUILDING AT THE ROUNDABOUT CIRCLE RIGHT HERE AT THE TOP OF THE SLIDE HERE. SO MY MOUSE DOESN'T SHOW UP ON THE SCREEN VERY WELL. COULD BE AT THE TOP OF THE SCREEN THERE YOU CAN SEE THE CURVE WHERE THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE BEGINS. IN THAT DEVELOPMENT THE FLOOR PLANS FOR THE STRUCTURE ARE RIGHT HERE. SO THE FIRST FLOOR IS A GARAGE WITH THE SECOND STORY HAVING A GUEST SUITE. AND THE ELEVATIONS ARE SHOWN HERE. SO THE FRONT ELEVATION IS WHAT FACES TOWARDS THE HOUSE.

THE REAR ELEVATION IS THIS SIDE HERE WITH THE GARAGE DOORS. THAT PHRASES VERTICAL LANES WHICH IS THE ACCESS ALLEY THAT RUNS BEHIND THE TABBY ROAD'S DEVELOPMENT THERE.

SO RUNS PARALLEL TO THAT POWERLINE EASEMENT THAT RUNS THE LENGTH OF THE PROPERTY HERE. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION.

SO THIS IS IF YOU WERE FACING FROM THE LITTLE MALE CENTER LOOKING AT IT AND THE OTHER SIDE IS THE ONE THAT FACES THE ADJACENT PROPERTY I'VE INCLUDED FOR USE IN SECTIONS AND DETAILS. HOWEVER THEY HAVE BEEN REVIEWED FULLY IN YOUR PACKETS.

SO YOU'VE GOT THOSE IN YOUR SELF REPORT SHOULD WE NEED TO LOOK AT THEM? THEY ARE AVAILABLE HERE AND THEN I'VE ALSO PROVIDED FOR REFERENCE ONLY WHAT THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE FOR THIS SITE LOOKS LIKE. SO YOU'VE GOT THE THE ELEVATIONS FOR THAT PRIMARY STRUCTURE TO ENSURE THAT THE CARRIAGE HOUSE SHARES THE SAME GENERAL CHARACTER AS THAT PRIMARY STRUCTURE. I JUST WOULD LIKE TO NOTE REAL QUICK ON THE SITE PLAN IT DOES ENCROACH IN THE SIDE SETBACK RIGHT HERE.

HOWEVER, THIS DID GO BEFORE THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS TO ASK FOR A VARIANCE TO ALLOW THE ENCROACHMENT WITHIN THIS BBC A RULE THAT BECAUSE THIS IS A UNIQUELY SHAPED PLOT AND THE SETBACK IS ONE THAT GOES TO THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT WHICH TYPICALLY WOULD BE AN EASEMENT RATHER THAN A PROPERTY LINE. IT WAS A DEVIATION THAT SHOULD BE ALLOWED OR A VARIANCE SHOULD BE ALLOWED. AND SO THEY GRANTED THAT VARIANCE SO IT SETS APPROXIMATELY 2 FEET 7 INCHES FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AT THE BACK CORNER.

HOWEVER, IT SITS FURTHER THAN THAT AT 5 FEET 3 INCHES AT THE FRONT.

SO THE THE TOP LEFT CORNER OF THE HOUSE IS JUST OVER THAT FIVE FOOT REQUIREMENT BUT THE

TOP RIGHT IS JUST UNDER THAT REQUIREMENT. >> HOWEVER, IT'S BEEN ALLOWED

BY THE DEA TO ENCROACH IN THAT SETBACK. >> THIS IS AN APPLICATION THAT

YOU ALL HAVE SEEN BEFORE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. >> SO THE HPC CONSIDERS THE CRITERIA THAT ARE FOUND IN SECTION 318 THREE OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE WHEN ASSESSING THIS APPLICATION AND IS AUTHORIZED TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT. THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT CURT HALL IS HERE OR I'M SORRY I GUESS IT'S CURT HALL IS HERE WITH THOMAS HIRED ARCHITECTS I ONCE CALLED HIM THOMAS TO PROJECT FOR YOU TONIGHT.

HOWEVER HIS STAFF HAS FOUND THAT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION WHICH IS A LETTER OF APPROVAL FROM THE ROSE H R B IT WOULD MEET THE REQUIREMENTS IN THAT AND RECOMMENDS THAT HPC APPROVE THE APPLICATION. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

>> YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO COMMENT ON. SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE.

HELLO, MY NAME IS CURT HALL. THE. WE DID RECEIVE AN APPROVAL FROM THE TABBY RHODES AWAY ON THE PROJECT SO WE DO HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT.

IT JUST CAME IN THIS PAST WEEK SO WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION SO THAT PARTICULAR ASPECT HAS BEEN ACHIEVED. I REALLY DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD JUST HERE AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING. ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THIS PROJECT? I JUST DON'T WANT TO ONE OF THE COMMENTS IS IT'S PRETTY NICE TO

SEE A PROJECT WITH VERY FEW COMMENTS. >> I LIKE THAT AS WELL.

SO THANK YOU FOR DOING YOUR HOMEWORK, SIR. >> THAT BEING SAID, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COMMISSIONERS AND IF NOT I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION.

PLEASE, I MUST PAST AS SUBMITTED. I'LL SECOND IT.

SECONDED. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS OR FURTHER DISCUSSIONS ON FAVOR? ANY YOU OPPOSE OPPOSED APPROVED AS A SUBMITTED AND AGAIN THANK YOU FOR DOING YOUR HOMEWORK AND NOT HAVING TONS OF COMMENTS ON THIS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR INSIGHTS. WOULD YOU PLEASE? WE HAVE A SECOND ITEM ON OUR

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AGENDA AND I BELIEVE THERE WAS A PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME. WE'D LIKE TO THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. YEAH, AND AGAIN, IF I MAY. THERE'S MAYBE THE RIGHT READY EMBRACE ECONOMIC GROWTH CELEBRATION HERE REPRESENTING THE WORLD AND HELPING GATHER THE ABC OTHER TO ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS BEFORE THIS APPLICATION IS HEARD ABOUT BOARD THE FIRST. THE FIRST ISSUE IS THE SUBMISSION MATERIALS AFTER THE AFTER THE STAFF HAS PROVIDED ALL THE APPLICATION AND THE RESPONSE.

I THINK THERE WERE A HANDFUL OF MINUTES BY THE APPLICANT AND A COUPLE OF PAGES WORTH NOTES THAT THE APPLICANT WANTED TO BRING TO THE ATTENTION OF THE BOARD.

THAT'S GIVING THE COMMISSION AND WE DO WE DEAL WITH THIS QUITE A BIT OF WHERE THESE APPLICATIONS COME AND THEN THEIR RESPONSES AFTERWARDS IN RESPONSE TO STAFF'S COMMENTS.

TYPICALLY WHAT WE HAVE RECOMMENDED IN THE PAST. IT'S THE NATURE OF THE COMMENTS. IF IT'S A APPLICANT WHO WAS RESPONDING AND PROVIDING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION VERSUS CORE TECHNICAL MATERIALS, IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

SOMETHING NEW. NEW REVISED PLANS. WE USUALLY URGE THE BOARD OR THE COMMISSION NOT TO CONSIDER THAT BECAUSE STAFF HASN'T GOTTEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO FULLY REVIEW AND VETTED. HOWEVER AS A RESPONSE AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS NOT TECHNICAL IN NATURE IT'S MORE COMMUNICATIVE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO THE COMMITTEE HUMAN IGNITION SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE A DECISION. WE WOULD RECOMMEND THE JOB TAKE THAT BECAUSE THIS IS THEIR OPPORTUNITY AT A TIME CONSUMING AND EXPENSIVE PROCESS TO GO THROUGH AN WE TRIED TO AVOID DELAY WHENEVER WE COULD AND WHENEVER WE CAN.

SO I HAVE A FEW OF THOSE MATERIALS AVAILABLE. I BELIEVE THEY HAVE ALL BEEN HANDED OUT TO THE MEMBERS OF THE HPC. I THINK THERE WERE AND EVERYBODY KNEW THAT EMAIL A REAL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF RECEIVING EMAIL.

YES. IF IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THOSE INCORPORATED AS PART OF THE PACKAGE THAT'S UP FOR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO SO BUT MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A CARRY INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE INTO THE MATERIALS.

BUT DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT WOULD BE BEST IF IT NEVER HURTS TO VOTE.

I DON'T THINK YOU GO OUT AND YOU HAVE TO BUT I'M GOING TO ASK WHEN'S THE APPROPRIATE TIME

FOR ME TO REALLY NO. >> OKAY. BUT IT'S NEVER TOO LATE.

YOU HAVEN'T VOTED OR ANYTHING SO YES. >> YOU KNOW.

>> DO I NEED TO LEAVE THERE? NO. NO.

OKAY. SO STICK AROUND IN THE BACK. OKAY.

THANK YOU. WHEN CAN CONTRIBUTE TO THE MEETING? THAT'S WHEN LARRY KING LIVE. OKAY. SO.

>> SO I GUESS I'M LOOKING AT THIS IS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND NOT A CHANGE IS I? AS I REVIEWED IT AND READ IT AND AGAIN I'M GETTING THE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT EVERYBODY HERE HAS READ IT. YES. BUT CANNOT HEAR FROM UP FROM MY MEMORY, CAN WE? THE ITEMS THAT WERE SENT IT WAS EMAIL CORRESPOND.

I SEE BW STRUCTURAL REPORT AND THEN HISTORY. >> DO WE KNOW WHO? YEAH IT WAS JUST. IT WAS THOSE THREE. AM I MISSING SOMETHING THAT

WE'RE TRYING TO REFRESH MY MEMORY? >> NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF .

MR. SOLOMON, THOSE ARE THE THREE ITEMS I THINK THAT THE TOWN ALSO RECEIVED OR I GUESS

THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. >> I JUST WANT A QUICK CLICKS AS IT WAS AN EMAIL.

CLARIFY THAT IT WAS THIS THREE DOCUMENT. THERE WAS NOTHING SLIPPED THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN THOSE. SO IF I MAY KEVIN I HEARD. DIRECTOR GROWTH MANAGEMENT THESE THREE ITEMS WERE EMAILED TO YOU. YES.

SO THOSE ARE THE THREE ITEMS THAT WERE E-MAILED TO YOU AND PROVIDED TO JUST THIS AFTERNOON THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED SOME ADDITIONAL ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

IT'S MORE NARRATIVE ON HIS SIDE WHICH HE'S GOING TO BE PRESENTING HERSELF.

I DID PRINT COPIES OF THAT SO YOU WILL HAVE A COPY AND IF IT'S OKAY I'LL WAIT UNTIL WHEN HE DOES HIS PRESENTATION THEN WE CAN HAND THAT INFORMATION OUT TO YOU.

NOT NECESSARILY THE TECHNICAL SIDE OF SIDE OF IT BUT JUST WHAT WHAT HE IS PRESENTING TO YOU THEN HAVE A PAPER COPY OF IT. SO WE'RE GOING TO BUT I GUESS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW IS THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WAS SENT TO US PRIOR TO THIS MEETING AND THAT WE HAVE A COPY OF AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE KIND OF SAYING CAN WE MAKE THAT PART OF OUR YES OR MR. CHAIRMAN AND I APPRECIATE KEVIN COMING UP HERE AND CLARIFYING THAT AS WELL BECAUSE YOU WILL BE GETTING ADDITIONAL MATERIALS FROM THE ANALYST AND WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE IT OURSELVES.

>> SO THEREFORE I GUESS OUR DISCUSSION IS JUST ON THIS PART .

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YES. MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST DOES ANYONE HAVE A ISSUE MAKING THIS PART

OF THE RECORD AS YOU KNOW AND AGAIN, SHOULD WE MAKE A VOTE? >> WOULD IT BE BETTER FOR YEAH.

IF WE HAD A LEGAL AND JUST A MOTION TO INCORPORATE THE THREE DOCUMENTS REFERENCED EARLIER INTO THE RECORD AND ALL WE NEED IS A MOTION, A SECOND VOTE AND SO THEREFORE I AM LOOKING FOR A

MOTION. >> I SO MOVED TO BRING THOSE THREE DOCUMENTS TO THEM THROUGH

TO THIS AGENDA LOOKING FOR A SECOND. >> SECOND LOOKING FOR A VOTE IN FAVOR. I MEAN YOU POSED SO THEREFORE THESE ARE NOW PART OF THE RECORD. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. AND I ASK TO PUBLIC COMMENT WE CAN DO THIS AFTER THE STAFF AFTER STAFF PRESENTATIONS, AFTER THE APPLICANT PRESENTATIONS WHENEVER YOU WOULD PREFER NORMALLY WHEN WOULD THE WE HAVE TYPICALLY AFTER THE APPLICATION AFTER AFTER THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED THEIR INITIAL RESPONSE

TO STAFF IS TYPICALLY THE WAY THAT WE HAVE IT. >> BUT I CAN GO AHEAD AND WE CAN DO IT NOW BECAUSE I GUESS WHAT I'M LOOKING THAT IS A PIECE OF PAPER THAT IN MY

OPINION IS HER SHE'S JUST NOT HERE. >> SO IF WE WERE TO DO IT IF SHE WAS HERE, THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD PRESENT IT. THAT'S WHEN SHE WOULD BE ABLE TO PRESENT UNDER YALE'S RULES OF PROCEDURE. YES, SIR.

SO WHY DON'T WE JUST DO IT IN THAT MANNER? THAT'S SO LET'S SEE.

WE HAVE HEATHER IS THE NOT KEENUM. >> WELL HELLO.

HELLO. GOOD EVENING. I KNOW I TYPICALLY DON'T ATTEND THE HBC MEETINGS ALL THE TIME LET ALONE SPEAK BUT I DID JUST WANT TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO FORMALLY INTRODUCE MYSELF. I HAVEN'T MET ALL OF YOU, MET SOME OF YOU AT DIFFERENT VENUES WHETHER IT'S HRC OR OTHER TOWN ABOUT. BUT I'M HEATHER COLLIN.

I AM ONE OF THE ASSISTANT TOWN MANAGERS AND PART OF THAT I DO OVERSEE THE PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND THEN ALSO ONE OF MY ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES IS AS THE AUDIO ADMINISTRATOR AND THAT'S I JUST WANTED TO REFERENCE THAT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT'S WHERE WE RULES AND REGULATIONS ARE ESTABLISHED IN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE. SO THAT'S THAT'S MY ROLE AND MY DIRECT TIE AS TO WHY I'M HERE AND AGAIN JUST WANTED TO INTRODUCE MYSELF. I ALSO WANTED TO INTRODUCE THIS NEXT ITEM BECAUSE IT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. IT'S THE REDEVELOPMENT REHABILITATION PRESERVATION. I KNOW THOSE ARE LOTS OF WORDS AND THEY ALL MEAN SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. BUT THE OVERALL PROJECT FOR THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND WE'VE HAD OTHER CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES THROUGHOUT TIME BUT THIS IS A FAIRLY LARGE PROJECT AND UNIQUE IN NATURE THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN IN A NUMBER OF YEARS.

SO DID JUST WANT TO STATE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IN YOUR STAFF REPORT BECAUSE AS SUCH WE REFERENCE THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS AND A LOT OF THAT IS SUBJECTIVE.

I WILL GO AHEAD AND JUST INTRODUCE THAT AND STATE THAT FOR THE RECORD WHERE YOU'LL SEE THE WORDS AND YOU'LL HEAR A LOT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND WHAT MUCH AS POSSIBLE IS IS SOMETHING THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED BY YOU ALL AS THE COMMISSION AND SO STAFF HAS REVIEWED THAT AND WE HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION THERE. THERE MAY BE MORE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND YOU MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION BETTER WITH ALL OF THE SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED IN BETWEEN WHEN THE STAFF REPORTS WENT OUT AND CERTAINLY FROM THE APPLICANT AND THEIR NARRATIVE AND THEIR ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTIONS.

SO DID JUST WANT TO PREFACE THAT AND TO INTRODUCE THE PROJECT AND MYSELF TO YOU.

SO THANK YOU. EVENING COMMISSIONERS AGAIN. THE APPLICATION IS BEFORE US THIS TIME AS A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATE IS TO ALLOW THE RENOVATION OF A TWELVE HUNDRED AND FORTY EIGHT SQUARE FOOT CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE KNOWN JOIN OUR HOUSE AND TO RELOCATE THE STRUCTURE TOWARDS THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE THE SAME PARCEL IT'S IDENTIFIED AS NINE BOONE ROAD WHICH IS IN THE OLD HANDCUFFED BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD CORE ZONING DISTRICT. SO THE ORANGE WAS THE NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL WE JUST HEARD BEFORE IN THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION THIS IS THE CORNER OF BLUFFTON ROAD AND GREEN ROAD IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD A CORE HD ZONING DISTRICT.

THESE ARE THE PHOTOS THAT WERE PROVIDED AS PART OF THE NARRATIVE FOR THE APPLICATION WE HAVE SOME TRIM WORK A CORNER BOARD HERE, THE METAL DETAIL ON THE SIDE PORTICO AND THEN A PORTION OF THE EAVE AND THE METAL PORTICO ADDITIONAL PHOTOS THAT WERE PROVIDED.

>> SO THIS IS THE ROOFLINE WITH A WINDOW HERE THE SIDES OF THE HOUSE AS WELL AS AN EXAMPLE OF SPLIT REAL FENCE THAT IS PROPOSED ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE THAT YOU WILL SEE ON THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN. I'M SORRY LANDSCAPE PLAN. IT DOESN'T SHOW UP ON THE SITE

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HERE. SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.

THE PREVIOUS LOCATION OF THE HOUSE IS NOT SHOWING UP ON THE SCREEN.

YES, IT IS. THIS IS THE EXISTING LOCATION OF THE STRUCTURE THEY'RE PROPOSING TO MOVE THIS STRUCTURE TO THE RIGHT WHICH IS TOWARDS THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE HERE. AND KEEP IT AT THE SAME ANGLE THAT IT IS CURRENTLY SITTING AT. SO IT'LL MOVE FROM HERE TOWARDS THE STREET UP INTO THAT BUILD TO LINE BUT AT THE SAME ANGLE TO THIS ROAD AS IT CURRENTLY SITS, THE FLOOR PLANS ARE SEEN HERE AS YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE EXISTING FLOOR PLAN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE AS WELL AS THE PROPOSED FLOOR PLAN ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE. SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED FLOOR PLAN. I'VE ADDED THE LITTLE LEGEND ON THE SIDE HERE WHICH SHOWS THE EXISTING FRAMING, NEW FRAMING AND CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE WALL TO BE INCLUDED HERE.

SO YOU CAN SEE THOSE FRAMING PIECES ALONG THE EDGES OF THE FLOOR PLAN HERE.

THIS IS THE ROOF AS WELL AS THE WALL SECTION THAT IS THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED FOR US AND THEN DETAILS INCLUDING THE SERVICE YARD A COLUMN DETAIL AND UNDERPINNING AS WELL AS THE

PORCH UNDERPINNING DETAILS. >> THIS IS THE UNDERPINNING FOR THE MOST STRUCTURE AND THEN THE STRUCTURES PORCH HERE BECAUSE THE PORCHES ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE PRIMARIES OR THE PRIMARY MASS OF THE STRUCTURE. THEY'VE PROVIDED US A DETAIL FROM MARVIN WINDOWS. SO THIS IS A FAIRLY STANDARD WINDOW DETAIL BUT THIS SHOWS THE PROPOSED WINDOWS THAT THEY'RE PUTTING IN THE STRUCTURE AS WELL AS SOME ADDITIONAL APPLICATION MATERIAL THAT WAS PROVIDED HERE. SO THIS IS MEASUREMENTS OF CASINGS AND HEADS AND STILLS FOR WINDOWS AS WELL AS CORNER BOARDS AND PORCH TRIM AND THE ADDITIONAL DOCUMENT THAT WAS PROVIDED TO US INCLUDED THESE PHOTOS.

SO THIS INCLUDES A LITTLE BIT OF THE NARRATIVE THAT WAS A SECOND NARRATIVE HERE WITH SOME PHOTOS THAT SHOW SOME OF THE DETAILS OF THE STRUCTURE HIGHLIGHTED IN AND I'VE GOT THEM ALL KIND OF WEDGED ON ONE PAGE SO THAT I CAN TAKE A FEW SLIDES BUT WE COULD SEE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE SO IF WE NEED TO SLOW DOWN AND LOOK AT ONE OF THOSE A LITTLE MORE CLOSELY, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO GO BACKWARDS OR FORWARDS IN THIS PRESENTATION TO BRING THOSE BACK TO THE FRONT. CAN I ASK YOU JUST TO CLARIFY THE PURPOSE OF THESE PHOTOGRAPHS AND WHAT'S BEEN CIRCLED THERE PICTURES THAT CAPTURE THE COMPREHENSIVE NATURE OF THE APPROACH FOR DECONSTRUCTING AND REBUILDING THE EXHIBIT, THE EXTERIOR, THE JOINER HOUSE ACCORDING TO THE NARRATIVE. I'LL LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO

THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WHAT IT IS HERE. >> THE NEXT ONE IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. SO I'VE GOT THE FULL SIGHTS LANDSCAPE PLAN HERE WITH THE PLANT LAST KEY BUT I HAVE ALSO ZOOMED IN ON THE CORNER PORTION WHERE MOST OF THAT LANDSCAPE INSTALLATION WILL BE DONE. SO IT HAS THE NEW STREET TREE AS WELL AS THE FOUNDATION PLANTINGS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED ALONG THE SIDES OF THE NEW LOCATION AND THEN THE CANOPY COVERAGE. THIS DOES INCLUDE THE FULL SITE.

SO THAT FENCE THAT I WAS SHOWING YOU ON THE PREVIOUS SCREEN SHOWS UP ON THIS HERE TO COME AROUND THE BACK WRAP KIND OF AROUND THE STRUCTURE AND RUN ALONG BRANCH.

AND THEN THIS IS THAT CAN BE COVERAGE. SO BECAUSE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE FOUNDER OR THE PLANTINGS INCLUDE THE CANOPY COVERAGE FOUNDATION PLANTINGS AND STREET TREES WHERE THIS DEVELOPMENT IS TAKING PLACE, MOST OF THE NEW LANDSCAPING WILL BE IN THAT CORNER BECAUSE THERE ARE NO OTHER FOUNDATIONS TO PUT THOSE PLANTINGS AROUND.

SO YOU SEE THE CANOPY COVERS FOR THE WHOLE SITE. BUT THE PLANTING PLAN IS

PRIMARILY THIS CORNER HERE. >> THIS IS A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE EIGHT CRITERIA WHICH ARE FOUND IN SECTION 318 THREE OR WHAT YOU'RE TAKING TO CONSIDERATION AS YOU CONSIDER THE APPLICATION THE HPC THE AUTHORIZATION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT APPROVE THE APPLICATION CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT AND STAFF AS HAS FOUND THE FOLLOWING ITEMS NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AND REQUEST THAT YOU TAKE THEM INTO CONSIDERATION AS YOU CONSIDER THE APPLICATION AND THESE ARE THE SAME ITEMS THAT ARE FOUND IN THE STAFF REPORT ITEMS 1 THROUGH ELEVEN HERE AND SO I WILL I CAN GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THEM OR I CAN LEAVE THEM ON SCREEN FOR YOU TO SEE AND HAVE THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO THE APPLICATION.

EUGENE AND WHOLE TEAM ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICATION.

>> IF YOU RICHARDSON YOU KNOW THIS ONE'S SOMEWHAT COMPLICATED AS I'M LOOKING AT THIS.

>> I'M JUST LOOKING FOR A POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATION ON THERE'S A NUMBER OF ISSUES AND IT ALL REFERS BACK TO THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION AND THEY ARE

SPECIFIC FOR THE TEN ITEMS. >> SO IS HAVING THE APPLICANT STEP FORWARD AND TALKING ABOUT

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THESE OR HAVING YOU KNOW I DON'T KNOW KATY NEEDS TO ACTUALLY READ THESE I'M SURE WE'VE ALL READ THESE CORRECT. I'M JUST CHECKING. WE ALL READ THESE SO THEREFORE WE KIND KNOW WHAT THESE ARE. SO IN REVIEWING THIS I'M JUST LOOKING FOR WOULD IT BE OK IF WE HAVE THE APPLICANT COME IN AND JUST SAY NO ONE THIS OR I'M KIND OF LOST AND HOW TO DO THIS PROCEDURE CORRECTLY AND ABSOLUTELY WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IF YOUR MIND IS TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW HOW THE APPLICANT IS PREPARED TO PRESENT THIS WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING ADDRESSING EACH ONE IN PARTICULAR MAY BE THE WAY THAT THE APPLICANT IS AS THE PLANS TO GO AHEAD BUT I WOULD ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE THEIR STATEMENT AS TO THE PROJECT AND THEN WHEN YOU HAVE THE DISCUSSION OPPORTUNITY WITH THE APPLICANT AFTER THAT GIVES THEIR PRESENTATION YOU CAN PUSH THE AFGHAN ON EACH OF THE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS, THE STANDARDS WHICH I THINK WILL BE IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT IS A IT'S THEY ARE A LOT OF THEM ARE SUBJECTIVE DETERMINATIONS BECAUSE THEY IMPOSE THAT STANDARD OF ECONOMIC AND

PRACTICAL FEASIBILITY INCLUDED IN ALL. >> SO IT'S GOING TO BE A I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO GO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT.

AND THEN IF YOU FEEL LIKE THE PRESENTATION HASN'T ADDRESSED EACH OF THOSE PARTICULAR AREAS, MAYBE EACH ONE OF THOSE CRITERIA BECAUSE IT'S ALL IMPORTANT AS A BOARD YOU MISS I THINK THAT I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO HEAR THE APPLICANT SPEAK THEIR PIECE BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO HEAR THE STAMPS FUNDING READ ALOUD. OK, SO IT BECOMES PROBABLY UP THERE. YES OK. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN DO OKATIE I CAN'T. SO WHAT WE'RE YOU KNOW NORMALLY WHAT WE DO IS WE KIND REVIEW THESE AND SOMETIMES WE HIT EACH ONE OF THEM AS WE REVIEW IT. BUT THIS TIME I GUESS WE'RE GONNA BE DOING IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY AND JUST HAVE OUR READ THROUGH THESE AND THEN GO THROUGH THE PROCEDURE IF THAT'S IT SOUNDS GREAT GIVEN THAT THERE'S ELEVEN OF THEM I WOULD SAY LET'S JUST RUN THROUGH THEM SO THAT EVERYTHING'S OUT THERE IN THE AREA BEEN VERBALIZE AND THEN THE APPLICANT CAN CAN SPEAK THEIR PIECE AND THEN WE CAN HAVE JUST AN OPEN

CONVERSATION WITH EVERYTHING ON THE TABLE. >> I CAN DO THAT SO THANK YOU.

THANKS. THAT'S KATIE. >> SO THE FIRST FEW ARE FROM THE SECRETARY INTERIOR STANDARDS WHICH SECTION 318 3A OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE SAYS THAT THE APPLICATION MUST MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOUND IN THE SECRETARY INTERIOR STANDARDS RIBAUT REHABILITATION. SO RATHER THAN READ 3 18 3 EVERY SINGLE TIME REHABILITATION STANDARD NUMBER ONE THE STRUCTURE SHOULD BE MOVED AND HACKERS INTACT OR AS IN AS FEW PIECES AS POSSIBLE TO MAINTAIN HISTORIC INTEGRITY REHABILITATION REHABILITATION CRITERION NUMBER TWO IS TO REVISE THE RELOCATION PLAN TO LEAVE THE MATERIALS IN PLACE ON THE STRUCTURE MAINTAINING HISTORIC INTEGRITY REGARDING THE DESIGN MATERIALS, WORKMANSHIP AND FEELING OF STRUCTURE REHABILITATION STANDARD NUMBER THREE THE STRUCTURE SHOULD BE MOVED INTACT OR AS FEW PIECES AS POSSIBLE AND ANY PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION SHOULD BE DIFFERENTIATED FROM THE OLD TO BE COMPATIBLE BUT NOT CREATE THE FALSE SENSE OF HISTORY ON IT WITH THE MASSING SIZE SCALE AND ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES REHABILITATION STANDARD NUMBER 5.

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REGARDING THE PROPOSED RECONSTRUCT OF THE FRONT SCREEN PORCH AND SIDE PORTICO MUST BE PROVIDED AS THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION TO ENSURE THAT THEY MEET THE STANDARDS OF THE SECTION REBUILD REHABILITATION.

STANDARD NUMBER FIVE PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REGARDING THE ABILITY TO RETAIN HISTORIC WINDOWS AND DOORS REHABILITATION STANDARD NUMBER FIVE TO SALVAGE THE MATERIALS DISTINCTIVE FEATURES FINISHES AND CONSTRUCTION TECHNIQUES AND EXAMPLES OF CRAFTSMANSHIP THAT CHARACTERIZE THE RESOURCE. THE STRUCTURE SHOULD BE LEFT INTACT OR AS CLOSE TO INTACT AS POSSIBLE WHEN MOVING IT TO AVOID THE LOSS OF INTEGRITY REHABILITATION STANDARD NUMBER SIX PRESERVE PATIENT PRESERVATION PLAN DETAILING HOW THE MATERIAL WILL BE CATALOGED WHEN IT IS DISMANTLED WHICH MATERIALS WILL BE REUSED INCLUDING WINDOWS AND EXTERIOR DOORS AND HOW THE MATERIALS WILL BE STORED BEFORE ITS REBUILT IS REQUIRED TO DETERMINE IF THE STANDARD HAS BEEN MET. REHABILITATION STANDARD NUMBER SIX DRAWINGS FOR FEATURES WHICH WILL BE RECONSTRUCTED INCLUDING THE PORCH INSIDE PORTICO MUST BE PROVIDED FOR REVIEW IS NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED TO COMPLETE THE REVIEW SECTION 515 5 EF 5 OF THE UNIT THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE DETERMINATION MUST BE MADE BY THE HPC ON THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE PLACEMENT WHICH IS NOT PARALLEL TO THE STREET WHICH IT FACES BUT DOES MATCH THE EXISTING ANGLE OF THE HISTORIC CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE ON THE SITE AS IT IS SECTION 515 6 OF THE AUDIO TO ENSURE THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS HAVE BEEN MET FOR THE MATERIALS, DIMENSIONS AND CONFIGURATIONS PLANS FOR ALL AREAS OF THE

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STRUCTURE WHICH WILL BE DISMANTLED AND REBUILT OR NEW CONSTRUCTION MUST BE PROVIDED TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT SECTION. AND THEN FIVE FIFTEEN SIX I ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IS REQUIRED REGARDING THE PROPOSED REAR ELEVATION AS NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED TO ENSURE TO COMPLETE THE REVIEW OF THE PROPOSED WINDOW IN THE LOCATION OF THE EXISTING DOORS . SO THEY'VE CHANGED THE THE THE OPENINGS FROM A WINDOW TO A DOOR ON THE REAR ELEVATION IT'S SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN ELEVATIONS HERE THERE'S THE WINDOW IT WAS A DOOR PREVIOUSLY SO ON THE REAR ELEVATION THIS IS A WINDOW HERE IT IS A DOOR IN THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION WHICH MAY NOT BE AN ISSUE.

>> WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE ELEVATIONS WHICH SHOW THE PROPOSED WINDOW SIZE OR LOCATION OF THAT SIZE AND OPENING SIZE AND THAT WAS THAT WAS 11.

SO LET'S SEE THAT WAS THE STAFF REPORT. SO RICHARDSON I TAKE IT THIS

TIME TO GET THE PUBLIC COMMENT READY. >> MR. MR. CHAIRMAN, THE AIM RIGHT NOW IS YOU'LL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR STAFF YOU'RE ABLE TO STAFF ANY QUESTIONS WHICH THEY HAVE IN PARTICULAR ASKED ANY OF THEIR CONDITIONS OR FINDINGS THAT THEY HAVE.

>> AND IF YOU HAVE NO COMMENTS AT THIS TIME, WOULD YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THE APPLICANT?

THIS IS WHEN YOU WOULD HAVE THE APPLICANT COME SPEAK. >> LET'S HAVE THE CAN COME

SPEAK. >> THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND IT LOOKS LIKE HE IS ACTUALLY THE

OWNER. >> THE PROPERTY I BELIEVE. HI, FOLKS.

>> NICE TO BE HERE. INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND YOUR SON.

I'M EUGENE MARX. MY WIFE AND I LIVE HERE IN BLUFFTON AND SOUTH CAROLINA RESIDENTS AND WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE. I'M GONNA JUST SAY A FEW WORDS THEN I'M GONNA INTRODUCE MY WIFE WHICH IS ALWAYS THE SMART THING TO DO.

AND WE'LL DO THAT JUST BEFORE WE GET STARTED. I JUST.

JUST A BROAD COMMENT. IF YOU ALLOW ME IF YOU WERE TO KIND OF COME IN FROM MARS AND KIND OF LAND IN THIS ROOM RIGHT NOW AND NOT HEAR THE WORDS BUT JUST KIND OF LOOK AT THE YOU WOULD NEVER GUESS THAT THERE IS A GROUP OF PEOPLE HERE TRYING TO SAVE HOW IT'S ON THE LOT THAT HAS A WONDERFUL FAMILY HISTORY AND THAT YOU FOLKS EVEN KNOW YOU'RE SO WELL PAID AND

YOU DO THIS FOR THE MONEY. >> YOU WOULD BE IN FRONT OF US HERE TRYING TO DECIDE LIKE WHAT DO WE DO? YOU KNOW, THERE'S A CONFLICT IN THAT TOWN COUNCIL WANTS THESE THINGS DONE AND THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS THESE THINGS SAFE AND THAT.

FORGIVE ME. I'M GONNA USE HIS NAME BUT IT'S A TRUE STORY.

I WAS OUTFRONT AT THE PROPERTY THE OTHER DAY AND HAND CAROL CAME UP TO ME AND SAID WOW, THIS IS WONDERFUL. I'M GLAD THIS IS GETTING DONE. IF YOU DON'T MIND, CAROL, HE USUALLY ISN'T THE MOST COMPLIMENTARY KIND OF BUBBLY GUY.

MY POINT IS IT'S JUST. AND WE'LL GET TO THE SUBSTANCE OF THIS IS I NEVER THOUGHT IT'D BE SO HARD TO DO A GAY THING. WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE WHICH I'LL SHOW YOU.

BUT OUR HOPE IS THAT WE CAN COME TOGETHER HERE AND SAY THIS IS A GOOD THING AND GOOD THINGS DON'T HAVE TO BE PERFECT PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH A HUNDRED YEAR OLD THINGS AND YOU'RE DEALING WITH STATE CODE AND YOU'RE DEALING WITH COMMON SENSE.

>> BUT THIS SHOULDN'T BE SO HARD BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING.

AND SO I JUST ASK AS WE GO THROUGH THIS THAT I CAN RISE ABOVE.

AND WE JUST GET TO A POINT WHERE WE SAY IS THIS A GOOD THING FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED? I THINK SO. MELANIE THINKS SO. I'M GOING TO PUT MONEY OUT THAT IS GONNA BE WORTH MORE THAN THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE WHEN IT'S DONE BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO PUT MONEY IN THIS. YOU NEVER GET BACK. BUT LET'S FIND A SOLUTION AND LET'S NOT SAY THIS AND START IN 2016 AND KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.

PLEASE LET'S FIND A WAY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT HOPEFULLY BEFORE NINE THIRTY WE CAN SAY THIS MAKES SENSE BUT YOU'VE GOT TO DO THESE TWO OR THREE THINGS THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL.

ASIDE FROM US, THE COMMUNITY HAS TO DRIVE THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION EVERY DAY AND LOOK AT THAT THING AND SAY WHEN ARE THESE PEOPLE GOING TO GET SOMETHING DONE? WELL, IT GETS. WE ARE THOSE PEOPLE WE ARE AND THIS IS THE MOMENT AND WHY NOT? IT'S KIND OF THE WAY I FEEL. SO FORGIVE JUST YOUR POINT. THE CIRCLES ON THOSE WHEN WE WERE TALKING TO STEPH, IT'S WHERE WE WANTED SOMETHING VERY SPECIFIC AND WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET TO LIKE. IT'S A BIG PROJECT CIRCLE EXACTLY WHERE YOU THINK THERE'S THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE FIXED. AND I'LL I'LL GO THROUGH SOME THAT IN MORE DETAIL.

>> MELANIE, I HAVE ABOUT 15 MINUTES. >> I'M SORRY.

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I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT MR. MARKS. IF YOU MAKE SURE YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE IN THE CASE WE HAVE ANYBODY WHO IS TRYING TO WATCH.

ALL RIGHT. OK. AND ALSO THIS IS A FIRST FOR SOMEONE TO TELL YOU TALK ABOUT. IT'S BEST AND THEN IT'S RECORDED.

SO THAT'S OK. SO SO AND I'M GOING TO MELANIE ABOUT 15 MINUTES WORTH OF STUFF

HERE. >> I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH. I DON'T WANT TO TORTURE YOU WITH 15 DIFFERENT POINTS. ANY REDUNDANCY WE'LL GO THROUGH IT.

AND IF YOU SAY YOU HAVEN'T ADDRESSED THIS ENOUGH, I'M HAPPY TO FILL IN THE BLANKS.

>> SO MELANIE AND THIS IS OUR PROJECT. MELANIE IS A PROFESSIONAL IN THIS FIELD AND SHE'D LIKE TO JUST SAY A FEW THINGS AND I THINK THAT IT BRINGS WHAT I HOPE THIS BRINGS FORTH AS A SENSE OF PASSION AND CREDIBILITY BECAUSE THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT PLANS AND HARD NUMBERS IN INCHES. THIS IS ABOUT DO YOU TRUST THE PEOPLE YOU'RE GOING TO LET DO THIS? BECAUSE WHEN YOU OPEN WALLS UP ON A BUILDING LIKE THIS, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHEN IT'S DONE IT'S GOING TO LOOK PRETTY DARN GOOD. AND I BET PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WON'T BE ABLE WILL SAY THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE WRITE UP.

YOU DIDN'T GET THAT? NO. THEY'RE GOING TO SAY THIS LOOKS WONDERFUL. AND THAT'S OUR COMMITMENT. SO MELANIE IS ON HISTORICAL BOARDS. WE'VE RAISED OUR CHILDREN CONNECTICUT WHERE RESIDENTS KNOWN MELANIE'S ON HISTORICAL BOARDS. SHE'S DONE TO THEM.

SHE'S BEEN ON OTHERS TOO. SO SHE HAS INFORMED OPINION ABOUT THAT.

SHE'S NOT JUST ON THIS BOARD. SHE'S A LIASON BETWEEN THESE HISTORICAL BOYS, THE STATE OF CONNECTICUT FOR CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THINGS. SO SHE'S YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T A HOBBY. THIS IS. THIS IS HER LIFELONG PASSION.

SHE CHAIRS THE DEMOLITION DELAY COMMITTEE, ONE OF THE BOARDS UP THERE.

THERE'S A LOT OF OLD HOUSES THAT AREN'T IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS THAT PEOPLE JUST WANT TO KNOCK DOWN BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BUILD MANSIONS. A LOT OF THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY'S UP THERE SAY WE CAN'T STOP YOU BUT WE CAN DELAY YOU FOR ANOTHER 30, 60 OR 90 DAYS BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. SHE SITS ON THAT BOARD SO THERE'S THERE'S A BODY OF INFORMATION UNDERSTANDING THERE JUST AS IT RELATES TO BLUFFTON BECAUSE WE'RE NOT CARPET BEGGARS. WE DON'T WE REALLY ARE HERE.

MELANIE DID ALL THE RESEARCH ON THE GARVIN GARY HOUSE. SHE DONATED TWO YEARS WORTH OF TIME AND YANKING ME TO A CEMETERY ON LONG ISLAND TO LOOK AT HIS OWN FOR A MILITARY

FIGURE WHO WAS PART OF THE FAMILY TRUE STORY TO GO. >> BUT ANYWAY, THE REPORTS ON THE TOWN WEB SITE, SHE DID ALL THAT WORK. SHE ALSO DID ALL THE RESEARCH ON HER CHURCH DISTILLERY WITH BILLY AND THE BOOK AND ALL THAT STUFF.

AND UNLESS SHE'S DOING WORK ON THE CAMPBELL AMY CHURCH, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT.

SO I CALL HER THE DE FACTO BLUFFTON HISTORIAN AND SHE LOVES IT AND SHE HAS A FEW WORDS AND THEN I'M JUST GOING THROUGH MORE OF THE DETAIL IF THAT'S OK.

YES, THAT'S WHY. BEFORE YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE.

WELL, I FOUND OUT TY FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW ME I AM. MY NAME MELANIE MARKS AND WE HAVE BEEN LIVING IN BLUFFTON FOR 12 YEARS NOW. IT IS A PASSION OF MINE.

I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH PRESERVATION FOR OVER 25 YEARS. I DABBLE IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT VENUES AND I FIND IT'S IMPORTANT AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO SAVE THESE STRUCTURES AND I'M NOT GOING TO SIT UP HERE AND PREACH.

I'M JUST GOING TO READ A SMALL THING THAT I PUT TOGETHER SO THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE I COME FROM AS FAR AS MY THINKING. I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE MY COMMENTS REGARDING MY HUSBAND EUGENE AND MY PLANS FOR RENOVATING THE JOINER HOUSE LOCATED AT 9 BRUIN ROAD. ALTHOUGH I MUCH PREFER THE EARLIER ADDRESS OF 132 HAPPY STREET AS IT WAS KNOWN TO THE FAMILY ON JUNE 30TH 2006 THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON WERE CLOSELY WITH CONSULTANTS ON DEVELOPING THE OLD TOWN MASTERPLAN. AT THAT TIME THE CONSULTANTS WORKING ON THIS INITIATIVE STATED WHILE MANY BUILDINGS IN OLD TOWN HAVE BEEN PRESERVED AND RESTORED, IT IS DISTURBING THAT SOME OF BLUFFTON MOST TREASURED HISTORIC STRUCTURES EVEN SOME OWNED BY THE TOWN LIKE THE GARVIN HOUSE THE GARVEY HOUSE CIRCA 1865 AT THE OYSTER FACTORY PARK HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO DECLINE FALL DOWN AND EVEN BURN DOWN.

SUCH STRUCTURES ARE NOTICEABLE IN OLD TOWN AND SEND A MIXED MESSAGE TO RESIDENTS AND VISITORS ALIKE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY'S FEELINGS FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND CHANGE THAT NARRATIVE BY PRESERVING THE JOYNER HOUSE. HAVING REVIEWED THE VIDEO FOR THE HPC SEPTEMBER 1ST 2021 MEETING REGARDING THE APPLICATION PROCESS FOR THE JOYNER FAMILY KESSLER GROUP AND THEIR PROPOSAL TO DEMOLISH THE STRUCTURE THEIR QUESTION AROSE AS TO WHAT CRITERIA TOWN STAFF WERE USING TO DETERMINE ELIGIBILITY FOR THE JOINER HOUSE AS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. STAFF DID NOT SPECIFICALLY STATE WHAT CRITERIA THEY WERE USING IN READING THROUGH THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON UNIFIED MENT ORDINANCE BDO.

SECTION THREE DOT TWENTY FIVE DOT THREE WHICH LISTED THE 10 CRITERIA THAT COULD BE

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CONSIDERED IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION TECHNICALLY ONLY ONE OF THE 10 CRITERIA MIGHT APPLY TO THE JOINER HOUSE. AT PRESENT THE ONLY CRITERIA I CAN ASCERTAIN THAT APPLIES TO THE HOUSE IS THAT IT MEETS THE THE 50 YEAR OLD THRESHOLD AND POSSIBLY NUMBER FOUR FOR THE STRUCTURE EXEMPLIFIES THE CULTURAL POLITICAL ECONOMIC SOCIAL ETHNIC OR HISTORICAL HERITAGE OF THE TOWN, REGION, STATE OR NATION BROKEN DOWN. IT REPRESENTS AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN STRUCTURE BUILT BY A GULLAH DESCENDANT. IN ANY EVENT WE'VE NEVER HAD ANY REASON NOT TO PRESERVE AND RENOVATE THE STRUCTURE SINCE PURCHASING THE PROPERTY IN 2022. IN THE PAST 20 YEARS MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE RENOVATED AND RESTORED FOUR HISTORIC HOUSES A SEVENTEEN HUNDRED DUTCH GAMBRELL ONE OF THE OLDEST IN OUR TOWN A 1740 SALT BOX THAT WAS ONCE A TAVERN DURING THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR.

AND YES, GEORGE WASHING DID INDEED SLEEP THERE. >> A 1769 FARMHOUSE CARRIAGE HOUSE WITH ORIGINAL BANK BARN AND LASTLY A CIRCUIT NINETEEN TWENTY NINE HOUSE.

>> WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF SAVING THESE STRUCTURES FOR A COMMUNITY AND FUTURE

GENERATIONS TO COME. >> IT SHOULD ALSO BE NOTED THAT AT THAT SAME MEETINGS THE KELSO GROUP INTRODUCED DOCUMENTATION SHOWING THAT THREE STRUCTURAL ASSESSMENT REPORTS HAD BEEN COMPLETED ON THE JOINER HOUSE ON APRIL 30TH 2021. CHARLES P. WELL BALZAC PRESIDENT OF C.P. W. ENGINEERING DID A SITE VISIT AND RENDERED HIS REPORT.

HE STATED THAT TWO YEARS PRIOR TO THIS REPORT HE HAD ALSO VISITED THE SITE AND RENDERED HIS PROFESSIONAL OPINION. HE STATED IN HIS COVER LETTER TO THE KESSLER VIEW THAT HE HAD QUOTE REVISITED THE SITE AND FOUND THE STRUCTURE TO BE IN THE SAME IF NOT WORSE DILAPIDATED CONDITION WITH TWO YEARS OF ADDITIONAL WILD GROWTH PARTIALLY SWALLOWING A PORTION OF THE HOUSE HE WENT ON TO STATE IN HIS REPORT OF APRIL 30TH, 2019 DESCRIBES THE VARIOUS DETERIORATED CONDITIONS IN THAT LETTER I CONCLUDE THE BUILDING WAS BEYOND REASONABLE REPAIR. IT IS NOT ONLY A BLIGHT TO THE AREA BUT IT'S PHYSICALLY NOT SAFE FOR OCCUPANCY ENTERING THE BUILDING WOULD BE HAZARDOUS DUE TO ITS WEAK FLOOR AND WOOD FRAMING AND BECAUSE OF THESE STRUCTURAL DEFICIENCIES IT WOULD NOT BE FEASIBLE TO RELOCATE IT TO ANOTHER SITE. HE WENT ON TO STATE THAT IN HIS PROFESSIONAL OPINION THE STRUCTURE WAS IN HAZARDOUS UNSAFE UNFIT FOR OCCUPANCY AND SHOULD BE DEMOLISHED.

WE DON'T AGREE WITH THE DEMOLISH OF THE STRUCTURE. EUGENE WILL FURTHER TOUCH ON CHARLES'S MORE DETAILED ASSESSMENT IN GREATER DETAIL AS IT PERTAINS TO OUR APPLICATION AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON RELOCATING THE STRUCTURE. FAST FORWARD TO MARCH 20 22 WHEN WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY FROM THE JOINER FAMILY. THE PROPERTY HAD BEEN SITTING IDLE FOR NEARLY 16 YEARS AND HAD FALLEN TO DISREPAIR AND NEGLECT.

WE KNEW WHAT EMBARKING ON THIS JOURNEY WOULD ENTAIL AND THE INS AND OUTS OF DEALING WITH A STRUCTURE THAT FALLS WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. WE WERE NOT DETERRED.

AFTER ALL WE HAD FACED THE SAME CHALLENGES WHEN WE RENOVATED OUR FOUR PRIOR HISTORIC HOUSES.

AS MENTIONED ABOVE, WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF DEMOLISHING THE JOINER HOUSE.

WHEN WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY BUT HAVE EVERY INTENTION OF RENOVATING THE HOUSE KEEPING IT AS THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN FOR NEARLY 100 YEARS IT BEING THE VERY HOUSE WHERE BERTRAM BIRDIE AFFECTIONATELY KNOWN BY HIS FAMILY AND FRIENDS JOINER AND HIS WIFE BESSIE RAISED THEIR ELEVEN CHILDREN IN THE ORIGINAL PART OF THE HOUSE NOT THE ADDITION. OUR PLANS FOR RENOVATING THE HOUSES INCLUDED IN OUR APPLICATION PRESENTED BEFORE YOU. MY HOPE IS THAT YOU AS A COMMISSION WILL REVIEW YOUR APPLICATION AS PRESENTED AND ARRIVE.

IT IS A DECISION THAT WILL ALLOW US TO PROCEED WITH OUR PLANS OF RENOVATING THE JOINER HOUSE FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS TO ENJOY WHILE VISITING OLD TEMPLE OFTEN SOMETHING THAT CONSULTANTS OF THE TOWN MASTERPLAN BACK IN 2006 STRESSED WAS OF GREAT IMPORTANCE TO PRESERVING BLUFFTON S OLD TOWN HERITAGE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. BECAUSE YOUR THANK YOU KEVIN . I DON'T WANT TO RELEGATE YOU TO THE I.T. GUY AGAIN BUT THIS IS NOT MY STRENGTH. WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? I'M LOOKING FOR TWO SLIDES I GAVE HIM ABOUT TWO HOURS AGO. OH, THERE YOU ARE.

I GOT MY IT. THAT'S IT. WELL, THAT'S IT.

I'LL JUST CLICK THROUGH THESE REAL QUICK. THIS IS THIS IS A HISTORICAL REPORT THAT MELANIE DID THIS SPRING AND I THINK YOU'VE SEEN THAT.

I'M GLAD I'M GLAD IT'S PART OF I'M GLAD IT'S PART OF THE RECORD NOW BY THE WAY.

I WENT THROUGH THE HOUSE AND FOUND THAT PICTURE. THE FAMILY WAS LOOKING FOR

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PICTURES. I WENT THROUGH THE BOTTOM OF A DRAWER THAT WAS IN THE SECTION NOT WANT TO WALK IT. AND THOSE PICTURES AND GAVE IN TO THIS FAMILY AND THEY WERE ECSTATIC. THEY DIDN'T THINK THERE WERE ANY PICTURES.

THERE'S I'LL GO THERE. THANKS VERY MUCH. THAT'S GREAT.

OKAY. THIS IS THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PROVIDE.

MEAGAN RICHARDSON IS NEW INFORMATION THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET.

CORRECT. SO OBVIOUSLY I BELIEVE THE THIS IS IS THAT WHAT THIS IS INFORMATION I BELIEVE THAT WAS EMAILED TO Y'ALL. THAT THIS IS THIS IS SOMETHING ELSE THAT THIS IS HIS NOTES. THESE ARE YOUR NOTES. SO WE PRINTED A COPY AND WE CAN PROVIDE COPIES OF THAT. BUT AND SO I'M JUST ASKING CAN THIS BECOME PART OF THE RECORDS ? ABSOLUTELY. AND YELLS DISCRETION.

OK. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THIS INFORMATION AND THANK YOU FOR TAKING THIS PIECE. MIKE MIKE.

OUR HOPE IS THAT I CAN STREAMLINE THIS SO THAT I CAN GET TO THE SALIENT POINTS ON THE BASIS WE BUILT OUR ESSENTIAL STORY HERE AROUND WHAT WE'RE DOING, WHY WE'RE

DOING IT AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT. >> SO THESE ARE PRINTED AND WE DO HAVE AVAILABLE COPIES FOR IS THAT CORRECT? SO THIS CAN BECOME PART OF THE RECORD. YES, MR. CHAIRMAN. AND ALL WE WOULD ASK IS MAKE SURE KERRY MAKES IT A PART OF THE RECORD. AS FOR KERRY, COULD YOU.

>> DO WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT OR ANYTHING? THERE'S OR ARE THEY JUST MAKING IT 100 PERCENT? THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY.

LET ME CLICK THROUGH THIS. IT WAS ALREADY REFERENCED. THE STANDARDS ARE APPLIED.

THAT WAS THAT THAT FIRST STATEMENT THERE. THE STANDARDS ARE TO BE ARE TO BE APPLIED SPECIFIC REHABILITATE PROJECT IN A REASONABLE MANNER.

TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION ECONOMIC AND TECHNICAL FEASIBILITY YOU'VE SEEN THAT THERE'S ANOTHER ASPECT THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT HERE. AND I SHOULD ALSO HAVE THIS IN QUOTES BECAUSE IT'S EXACTLY AS IT STATED. BUT THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS IN THE TREATMENT OF FOR THE TREATMENT OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES ARE REGULATORY ONLY REGULATORY ONLY FOR PROJECTS RECEIVING HISTORIC PRESERVATION FUND GRANT ASSISTANCE AND FOR OTHER FEDERALLY ASSISTED PROJECTS. THIS IS WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR FEDERAL MONEY AND WE WOULD LET ME ASK YOU KNOW I KNOW THAT THE COUNTY HAS PROVIDED A GRANT AND

SUCH. >> SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE APPLYING FOR THAT? WELL, I I WASN'T WHEN WE BOUGHT IT. WE DIDN'T PLAN ON IT.

I SHOULD SAY WHEN WE BOUGHT IT WAS BEING INTRODUCED I'D BE HAPPY TO GO FOR IT.

>> BUT I DON'T HAVE TO. >> IF IN FACT IT PUTS IT INTO A DIFFERENT KIND, AT LEAST IT PUTS IT INTO A CADRE OF QUESTION. SO IF IT'S IF IT'S THE COUNCIL'S STATEMENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW THESE FEW THINGS BUT YOU CAN'T GO FOR GRANT MONEY THEN THAT'S FINE. I'M LOOKING FOR THE GREATER GOOD HERE.

I'M LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD TO GET THIS THING DONE. I DON'T NEED THE 30 OR 60 THOUSAND DOLLARS AND I WOULD RATHER NOT INTERJECT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE APPLICANT PRESENTATION BUT FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, THE TOWN'S GRANT PROGRAM IS SEPARATE AND DISTINCT FROM ANY PROGRAM THAT'S BEING FUNDED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

>> THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE THE TOWN'S PROGRAM ISN'T FUNDED THROUGH FEDERAL FEDERAL GRANT MONEY. SO THE STANDARDS OF WHAT FEDERAL GRANT PROGRAMS DON'T NECESSARILY APPLY FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE TOWNS WHATEVER THE APPLICATION REQUIRES. THIS WAS SOMETHING I DUG UP MYSELF WHEN I NEEDED THAT CLARIFICATION SO THAT'S WHY I WAS INTERRUPTING. THANK YOU.

DELIBERATELY TRYING AND TRYING TO BE RESPECTFUL OF YOUR TIME BUT NOT GO TOO FAST IN.

THE POINT I'M MAKING HERE IS I THINK IT'S JUST REALLY CLEAR AND THERE'S A CLEAR SAFE HARBOR HERE AS IT RELATES TO YOUR DECISION MAKING AND I THINK AS IT RELATES TO ANY CONSEQUENCE FOR THE TOWN COUNCIL HERE I THINK YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO USE COMMON SENSE AND SAY WE ARE LOOKING AT THE FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES THAT ARE IN FRONT OF US AND WE RESPECT THE INPUT

FROM PROFESSIONALS. >> WE'RE GONNA MAKE OUR OWN DECISION AND WE CAN DO THAT WITH CLEAR CONSCIENCE AND WITHOUT ANY COLLATERAL ASPECTS THAT MIGHT COME INTO PLAY HERE

AS IT RELATES TO CONSEQUENCES OF WHY OR HOW SO. >> WELL, LET ME JUST.

SO. SO THAT THAT'S ONE POINT I JUST WANT TO BRING TO LIFE BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING HERE THAT AT TIMES IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE.

I JUST BEAR WITH US. I JUST WANT TO SHOW YOU TO THE PROJECTS THAT MELANIE DID BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO SEE THE WHAT NOW THESE THIS IS THIS IS THIS.

SEVENTEEN HUNDRED HOUSE. IT WAS THE LAST HOUSE WE DID. THIS HOUSE WAS REALLY BUILT.

SEVENTEEN HUNDRED ISN'T LIKE ROUNDING LIKE WE THINK IT WAS. MELANIE DID THE RESEARCH YOU LOOK AT THESE NAMES ARE REALLY COOL. SEVENTEEN HUNDRED.

I DON'T HAVE THE BEFORE BUT I HAVE THE AFTER THAT HOUSE AND IT'S GONNA BE SIMILAR TO THIS NEW WINDOWS, NEW FRONT DOOR, NEW SIDE LIGHTS, A LOT OF THE TRIM HAD TO BE REDONE BUT THAT'S THE HOUSE THAT WAS GONNA BE DARK DOWN THAT WAS ON THE MARKET FOR THREE YEARS.

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THE ONLY REASON WE BOUGHT IT IS BECAUSE WAS NEXT TO OUR DAUGHTER.

WE MOVED IN IT. WE READ IT AND WE SAID WE MOVED TO THE OTHER SIDE OF OUR DAUGHTER. BUT THAT'S OUR PROBLEM. WE HAVE BUT THAT HOUSE WHEN YOU

LOOK AT IT FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT'S A SUCCESS. >> THAT'S A SUCCESS.

THERE'S THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. YOU CAN SEE THAT. YOU CAN SEE THE ADDITION AND WE WANT RESPECT AND SO FORTH. THIS IS THE OTHER ONE AND THEN I'LL GET INTO HOW WE'RE GONNA DO THIS. THIS IS THE SHERWOOD WHISKEY FARM.

WE DID THIS IN 2007. THIS IS THE BEFORE THE HOUSE WAS THE WINDOW WAS TAKEN OUT ON THE RIGHT THERE. THEY HAD A DOOR AND THEY MADE US INTO A THEY MADE INTO A

PRACTICE. YEAH. >> THE DOORMAN ON THE TOP I MEAN THIS THING THIS THING WAS ON THE MARKET FOR THREE YEARS AND THE BUILDERS WOULDN'T BUY IT BECAUSE THEY WERE WORRIED THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT WHICH IS NOT UNIQUE RIGHT TO BUILDERS NOT GOING TO BUY BUT. AND NO ONE HAD TO.

NO ONE WAS AS AS MELANIE UNITED SAY WELL, MAYBE WE'LL BUY AND WE'LL RESTORE IT.

SO THERE'S A HOUSE, THERE'S THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE THIS HOUSE THAT ON 25 ACRES IT WAS ORIGINALLY A 200 ACRE PROPERTY. YOU CAN SEE THIS BLACKSMITHS SHOP ON THE LEFT.

THEY'RE TRULY BLACKSMITHS SHOP. WHEN WE OPENED IT UP WE FOUND OR SHOES WE FOUND THINGS.

>> THAT'S THE BEFORE THAT'S ME IN THE HOLE AS WE'RE TRYING TO REDO THE FOUNDATION.

AGAIN, THIS IS A MUCH BIGGER PROJECT. HOLY MOLY WHAT DO WE HAVE HERE THEN I'LL SHOW YOU. NOT ONLY DID THE PLAQUE TO THE HISTORY, NEW SIDING, NEW ROOF THAT'S THE HOUSE AND WE WERE DONE NOW THAT IS A COMMONSENSE REBUILD OF THE HOUSE.

YOU CAN SEE THE TRANSOM ABOVE THE DOOR WAS WAS ELIMINATED JUST IN TERMS OF THIS IS NOT A GAME OF PERFECTION THAT TRANSMIT ON TOP OF THE DOOR WASN'T.

COULDN'T HAVE DONE THIS. WE HAD TO PUT A FLOOR JOIST BECAUSE AS YOU REDO THE HOUSE

YOU HAVE TO DO SOME THINGS DIFFERENT. >> BUT THE GREATER CAUSE HERE OF PRESERVING THAT HOUSE AND WE DID THE ADDITION WE WERE ALLOWED TO DO THE ADDITION.

YOU CAN SEE THERE THERE'S THE PICTURE OF IT FROM THE TOP. WE SAVED THE HORSESHOE.

WE SAVED THE BLACKSMITH. WE MADE THAT BLEW THE BARN ON THE BACK IS GORGEOUS.

THE BEAMS IN THERE ARE BURIED IN THEIR HAND AND WE SAY THAT THE ORIGINAL HOUSE AND SO FORTH . THE POINT WE'RE MAKING HERE IS IS AND THERE'S THE FAMILY HISTORY SHOW AND FAMILY FARM. THE SHERMAN FAMILY BOUGHT THIS IN THE SEVENTEEN HUNDREDS.

IT WAS IN THIS IT WAS IN THE SHERWOOD FAMILY UNTIL ELIZA PASSED AWAY.

WELL SHE SOLD IT TO THE WITCHES GERMAN IMMIGRANTS LIVING IN NEW YORK.

BED AND BREAKFAST. THEY OWNED THE HOUSE UNTIL 2016 AND WE BOUGHT IT.

>> THE MAIN TAKEAWAY THERE AND I APPRECIATE THE TIME IS THAT'S THE QUALITY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT . THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO AND WE'RE GONNA DO IT TO OUR BEST EFFORTS SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE LOOK AT THAT HOUSE, WHEN THEY TURN THAT CORNER, WHEN THEY SEE IT, THEY'RE GONNA SAY HOLY COW, LOOK AT THAT BEAUTIFUL HOUSE. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SAY SORRY.

>> YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LITTLE SOMETHING THAT ISN'T PERFECT THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT THE GAME.

>> IT'S A GAME OF DIMINISHING RETURNS. CONSTERNATION IN DECADES OF THINGS DETERIORATING AND FALLING APART. THIS IS A GAME OF PRACTICAL.

LET'S GET IT DONE AND LET'S MAKE IT LOOK GOOD. RESPECT THAT FULLY.

SO I'D LIKE TO I'D LIKE TO GO NOW THERE'S THE THERE'S THE THERE'S JUST SOME MORE PICTURES

THAT WAS JUST SO LET ME GO TO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO HERE. >> THIS IS THE.

THIS IS THE THE THE SUBSTANCE. THIS IS THE SUBSTANCE OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IT. AND I REALLY AM TRYING TO MAKE IT AS SIMPLE AS WE CAN GO GET THE PROCESS WHERE MOVING FORWARD WITH HERE IS BASED ON THE FACT THAT THIS HOUSE IS THIS HOUSE IS GONE. I MEAN THE ONLY REASON THIS HOUSE IS STANDING IS BECAUSE THERE'S NO INSULATION IN BECAUSE IF THERE WAS INSULATION IN IT IT WOULD HAVE ROTTED FROM THE INSIDE OUT. THE FRONT PART OF THAT HOUSE HAS ROTTED FROM THE FLOOR UP BECAUSE THE CARPET GOT WET. THERE'S NO INSTALLATIONS. YOU LOOK UP THE CEILING, YOU SEE THE ROOFING PANELS SCREWED TO THE RAFTERS. THERE'S NO SHEETING.

THE WALLS ARE THE WALLS OF OUR FRAME YOUR SIDE YOU'RE YOU'RE 1 BY 6 V GROUP OPEN SPACE DRYWALL. THE REASON WHY THAT PLACES AND RUNNING BECAUSE THERE'S HOLES IS BECAUSE IT'S SO POROUS. IT'S NOTHING IT'S NOTHING IT'S GONE.

SO WORDS MATTER A LOT WHEN YOU'RE AN EXPERT IN THIS AND THIS IS YOUR EDUCATION.

WORDS ARE VERY PARTICULAR YOU RENOVATING OR YOU'RE RESTORING .

I JUST CAN USE COMMON SENSE WORDS THAT WE ALL KNOW WE WANT TO REPLICATE THAT HOUSE ON THE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY BY THE WAY, RIGHT NEXT TO WALTER WHO LIVES IN THAT GREAT TRAILER HOUSE. WALTER GREW UP IN THAT THAT'S HIS GRANDPARENTS HOUSE.

HE IS SO HAPPY TO HAVE THIS HOUSE PUT NEXT TO HIM. I MEAN IT COULD ONLY MAKE ME.

YOU COULD ALMOST MAKE ME CRY WHICH I DON'T CRY. BUT HE'S SO HAPPY, WALTERS AND

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I KNOW IT'S NOT HE'S GOT MORE YEARS BEHIND HIM THAN AHEAD OF HIM.

>> SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND LET ME TAKE THIS THROUGH HERE AND RESERVE IS TO PRESERVE THE EXTERNAL AND THE LOOK IN THE FIELD. THAT'S THE GAME THE LOOK IN THE FIELD. HOW CAN WE HAVE THIS LOOK AND FEEL REALLY, REALLY GOOD? WE HAVE PIERCE'S PLANS EXPERTS BIG PART OF THEIR BUSINESS, HIGH CHARACTER PEOPLE.

WE HAVE ENGINEERING BEING DONE AND WE HAVE HISTORIC APPEARED LANDSCAPING READY TO GO.

WE CAN'T MOVE THIS. WE JUST CAN'T. AND I THINK I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT REALLY CAN'T BE MOVED.

SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS WE'RE GONNA POUR A NEW FOUNDATION CODE AND THAT FOUNDATION IS GONNA BE A NEW PERIMETER FOUNDATION WITH PIERCE. IT'S GONNA BE COOL NOT TO WORRY ABOUT HURRICANES OR ANYTHING. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THOSE POSTS AND WE WILL TAKE THE BRICK OFF THE EXISTING POSTS, PIERS, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE MASON PUT THEM ON SO THAT WHEN YOU LOOK HORIZONTALLY OR FRONTS THOSE BRICKS, THOSE PIERS ARE GONNA LOOK EXACTLY WHERE IT LOOKS NOW EXCEPT IT'S A NEW CODE COMPLIANT FOUNDATION. WE'RE GONNA FRAME THE WALLS THE CODE WE'RE GONNA FIND FROM THE FLOOR SYSTEM TO CODE AND WE'RE GOING TO FRAME THE TRUSSES TO COME. THOUGHT THIS IS GONNA HAVE SUB FLOORING VAPOR BARRIER.

THE WALLS ARE GONNA HAVE THE WALLS AGAIN ROUGH HOUSE WE'RE GONNA PUT SHEETING ON WE'RE GONNA PUT VAPOR BARRIER THE ROOF ON THE TRUSSES WE'RE GONNA PUT PLYWOOD WHICH IS IN THERE AND WE'RE GONNA PUT MEMBRANE. THAT'S THE NEW PART OF THE HOUSE.

SO THAT'S GONNA BE SITTING THERE, RIGHT? THAT'S GONNA BE FRANK.

WE ALL KNOW YOU HAVE THE ROOF IN THE RAFTERS AND SUCH. >> THEN ONCE THAT'S DONE WE'RE GONNA BRING IN THE ROOFERS REAL TIME AND SAY OK THIS WEEK FOLKS, THERE IS THE THAT'S THE

OLD HOUSE AND THERE'S A GREEN ROOF. >> THERE'S THE HOUSE OVER THERE WITH THE SHOOTING MEMBRANE. TAKE THEM OFF. PUT THEM ON STARTING THE FRONT AND GO TO THE BACK AND EACH PANEL. AND THIS IS NOT A THIS IS NOT AN OLD TIN ROOF. THIS THESE THIS IS A THIS IS I THINK IT'S A FIVE YEAR I THINK IT'S PRETTY I SHOULD KNOW THAT. I BELIEVE SO. THANK YOU.

YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT TOO. TAKE THEM OFF. PUT THEM UP.

>> I EXPECT THAT THERE'LL BE SOME LOST. THE ROOF IS LEAKING.

IT'S PROBABLY MORE THE SCREW HOLES OR SOMETHING BUT WE'RE GONNA TO TAKE OFF METHODICALLY AND IF THERE'S A BAD ONE WE'LL TAKE THE OTHER ONE, MOVE IT UP AND WE'LL USE AS MUCH OF THE ROOFING AS WE CAN BECAUSE AND THEN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE WHICH IS NOT TO START PART OF WE NEED NEW MATERIAL WE'LL JUST USE NEW MATERIAL IN THE BACK.

THAT'S THE ROOF. SO THERE'S NO NEED TO TAG INVENTORY AND ALL THAT.

IT'S GONNA COME OFF AND GO ON. SO THAT'S THE ROOF. THEN THE DIFFICULT PART IS GONNA BE WE HAVE THIS NOW WE HAVE THE SIDING. RIGHT.

WE HAVE WE HAVE SHEET WE HAVE STUDS SHEETING VAPOR BARRIER. WE GONNA GO OVER THE HOUSE, TAKE IT FROM THE HOUSE AND THE BOARDS ARE GONNA COME OFF BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY THING LEFT BECAUSE THE HOUSE DOES HAVE INSULATION AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT IS PRESERVED.

AND IF YOU WANT TO GO IN, I'M HAPPY TO WALK YOU CAN'T EVEN WALK TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE WHERE YOU USED TO BE ABLE TO HELP. BUT I'M HAPPY TO SHOW YOU IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GET A SENSE OF WHAT THIS IS I MEAN THE PICTURES YOU BELIEVE THE PICTURES I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA BELIEVE WHAT YOU'RE SEEING INSIDE ANYWAY.

>> I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE 10 TO 20 PERCENT WASTE DOING THAT.

>> I MEAN YOU CAN TELL SOME BOARDS AROUND IT BUT WE'RE GONNA DO THAT.

WE'RE GONNA USE THAT WOOD AND IT'S GONNA HAVE THAT. I'LL CALL IT A PATINA ALTHOUGH IT'S PAINTED BUT IT'S GOING TO I DON'T WANT A POWER WASH THAT COMPLETELY TO MAKE THAT LOOK STERILE LIKE IT'S HARDY. I WANTED TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF DUST AND STUFF ON WE'RE GONNA DO THAT AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN THE NEW WINDOWS THOSE WINDOWS THERE ARE YOU SAW

THE OTHER HOUSES WE DID. >> IF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A HOUSE TODAY AS A FAMILY HOUSE YOU HAVE TO PUT IN YOU HAVE TO PUT IN NEW WINDOWS I MEAN TO PUT IN A SINGLE PANE WOOD WINDOW EVEN IF IT HAS EVEN IF IT HAS SAFETY GLASS, IT'S JUST NOT IT'S JUST NOT LOGICAL.

IT'S JUST THAT SO WE'RE GONNA PUT A NEW MODEL WINDOWS. WE'RE NOT GONNA GO IN THERE AND USE SOME LOWER WE'RE GONNA USE MODEL WINDOWS WHICH HAD THE SAME LOOK AS THE CURRENT WINDOWS. THEN WE PUT THE SIDING ON. RIGHT.

SO SO WE GOT THE ROOF MOVED OVER. THE SIDING HAS BEEN MOVED OVER THE WINDOWS LOOK THE SAME TRIM LOOKS THE SAME. NOW WE HAVE THE STEPS WE HAVE THESE BIG MASONRY STEPS IN THE FRONT AND ON THE SIDE MASON COMES BACK AND WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE THOSE APART AS MUCH AS YOU CAN REBUILD THOSE AND TAKE THAT

OFF THE SIDE. >> PUT IT OVER HERE THE FRONT PUT IT OVER HERE.

WE DID FIND A PILE OF BRICKS THIS BIG IN THE BACK OF THE YARD AND WE HAVE SOME EXTRAS SO

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WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO SEARCH FOR PERIOD. BROOKS SO WE'LL GONNA TRY TO MAKE IT LOOK THE SAME WAY BUT TRY AND USE THE SAME EXTERIOR LIGHTS.

>> THESE ARE THESE ARE JELLY LIGHTS. YOU GET THEM AT THEIR HOME DEPOT THEY'RE GENERALLY WE CAN REPLACE THOSE AND SO FORTH. AGAIN, NICE TO CODE AS IT RELATES TO THE PORCH I THINK SOMETHING SAID GIVE US DRAWINGS OF THE PORCH IF WE CAN TAKE PICTURES OF THE PORCH FROM THE SIDE IN THE FRONT AND THE OTHER SIDE AND INSIDE AND THE CEILING

AND I CAN SHOW YOU THOSE PICTURES. >> I DON'T KNOW WHY I HAVE TO PAY SOMEBODY TO DRAW ME SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN SEE IS OUR COMMITMENT IS SEE THIS PICTURE THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. WHY DO I WANT TO DO A DRAWING OF SOMETHING I CAN SHOW YOU SO I DON'T KNOW WHY I'M GOING TO DO A DRAWING.

>> YOU CAN SEE SO IN TOTAL WHAT YOU WILL SEE IS ORIGINAL SIDING PIERS.

>> IT LOOK THE SAME WINDOWS HAVE THE SAME LOOK BUT YEAH THEY'RE GONNA BE NEWER WINDOWS FRONT PORCH WE'RE GONNA USE A NOMINAL LUMBER. THOSE ARE TRUE.

THOSE ARE STREET TWO BY FOURS YOU'RE GONNA USE THE STREET TWO BY FOURS YOU'RE NOT GONNA USE THE NEW LUMBER WE'RE GONNA FACE NOW THE SCREEN BECAUSE IT'S FACE DOWN WE'RE THAT'S WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE AND EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY THEN MELANIE AND I AND THE TEAM ARE GONNA BE PROUD OF WHAT WE'VE DONE AND PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE HAPPY THAT IT'S DONE.

SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO HOW WE'RE GONNA DO IT AND I'LL JUST DEFER TO YOU TO LEAD ME FROM HERE TO GUESS IS IT A QUESTION AND ANSWERED TIME OR DO WE I MEAN AGAIN I'M STILL CONFUSED ON WHEN WE PUT THIS INTO THE PUBLIC COMMENT. ABSOLUTELY.

THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO HANDLE THIS IS NOW YOU GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVEN'T THE APPLICANT ANYTHING THAT WAS RAISED BY THE PRESENTATION THAT THEY DID ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT SPECIFIC STANDARDS OR OTHER CRITERIA AND MAKE RESPONSE A RESPONSE TO ANY OF STAFF'S COMMENTS. THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED FROM THE APPLICANT. AND THEN AFTER THAT I CAN READ THE PUBLIC COMMENT INTO THE RECORD AND THEN GET STAFF AND GET A SECOND OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO THAT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.

YES. I'M GOING TO REITERATE NO SOMETIMES I REITERATE MYSELF AND I APOLOGIZE. I'VE BEEN A SALESMAN AND I UNDERSTAND SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T HEAR BUT THE THE POINT THAT YOU MADE THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARD TREATMENT AND YOU KNOW, REGULATORY ONLY IN JUST REVIEWING THAT ONCE AGAIN IS THAT YOU'RE NOT LOOKING FOR FEDERAL GRANT MONEY BECAUSE THE FEDERAL GRANT MONEY PUTS IT INTO A WHOLE DIFFERENT CAB. I WOULD. I UNDERSTAND.

SO THIS IS REGULATORY ONLY WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM ACTUALLY DOING MY RESEARCH TOO AND I I'VE JUST UNCOVERED THAT IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

YES. AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I GIVE HIM AN ANSWER BUT THAT THE WHAT YOU FOUND IS CORRECT THAT IS REGULATORY BELIEVE THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR PRESERVATION GRANTS AND FUNDS FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. BUT YOU ALSO HAVE UNDER THE CRITERIA AND ONE OF THE CRITERIA IS CONFORMITY WITH THE REGULATORY STANDARDS.

SO IT DOES REQUIRE YOU TO CONSIDER THE REGULATORY STANDARDS AS PART OF THE APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS DATE AND WHAT IS IN THIS PART OF THE STANDARDS THIS COMMON CAUSE IT'S WRITTEN IN ARIZONA SOMEWHERE IN THAT GROUP STANDARDS. I'M NOT I'M JUST YOU BECAUSE I IT'S BEEN QUOTED A NUMBER

OF TIMES AND OTHER THINGS THAT I REVIEWED YET. >> YES.

SO THAT IS PART OF THE STATEMENTS THAT HE'S BUILT THAT LANGUAGE ABOUT THE ECONOMIC FEASIBILITY AND THE REASONABLENESS OF PORT. ARE YOU SPEAKING AS TO THE 10 SPECIFIC STANDARDS HIS STAFF HAS OUTLINED IN THEIR REPORT? YES.

OK, SO ALL OF THOSE ARE PART OF THAT. AREN'T THE DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S STANDARDS? THE REASON THAT IT'S IN COOPERATED INTO THE STAFF'S REPORT IS BECAUSE THE FIRST CRITERIA UNDER THE STUDIO FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF FOR A DAY WHICH IS THAT VACATION WE'RE HERE FOR TONIGHT IS FOR YOU'LL MAKE A DETERMINED DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER IT COMPLIES WITH THE STANDARDS SET ON THE INTERIOR WHICH ARE BASED ON STANDARDS. SO IF YOU LOOK AT IN PARTICULAR IF YOU DON'T GO INTO THE STAFF REPORT, IT'S SECTION THREE POINT EIGHTEEN POINT THREE A CONSISTENCY WITH SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATE AND GUIDELINES.

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>> AGAIN, IT'S CONSISTENCY. SO IT'S OBJECTIVE. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE MAX OR

THIS IS A SUBJECTIVE USE USED AS SUBJECTIVE. >> SO THAT'S THE KEY I THINK AND AND AGAIN THE STANDARDS ARE ABOUT APPLYING THIS IN A REASONABLE MANNER.

>> TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THAT ECONOMIC AND TECHNICAL FEASIBILITY, THE REASON THAT WE'RE KIND OF HARPING ON SOME OF THIS SOME OF THESE ISSUES TONIGHT IS THIS IS RELATIVELY UNIQUE PROJECT BEFORE THE HPC IS IS NOT A APPLICATION THE JOB YET VERY OFTEN AND SO WE'RE INTERJECTING A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WE NORMALLY DO BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE COMPLICATED AND IT'S A IT'S AN IMPORTANT PROJECT. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HERE. GUYS, YOU AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN BUT ALLOW YOU ON MAKING DECISIONS YOU NEED. BUT AGAIN, YEAH. MR. CHAIRMAN, IT IS ABOUT TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION ECONOMIC AND TECHNICAL FEASIBILITY WHICH PROJECTS ANOTHER SUBJECTIVE STANDARD INTO IT. SO I JUST I'M GOING TO HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE PRECEDENT. YOU KNOW, I PUSHED THE WORD PRECEDENT ALL THE TIME. I WAS REVIEWING SOME OF THE OTHER PREVIOUS PROJECTS AND IT SEEMED LIKE THERE HAS BEEN SOME PREVIOUS PRECEDENTS SUCH AS THE METHOD IS THE RECTORY OR WHATEVER THE NAME OF THE HOUSE IS. I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT KNOWING IT.

BUT ISN'T THERE SOME PRECEDENT SET ALREADY ON SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE IN OTHER PREVIOUS PROJECTS THIS CASE? MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE ARE OTHER PROJECTS THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS A SEVERE RENOVATION INCLUDING THE GRAVES HOUSE WHICH IS THE ONE YOU TALK ABOUT THAT AS WELL AS THE GUARDIAN GABI HOUSE AND ONLY TO THIS WHERE COMPARED TO OURS IS CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

THE PINE HOUSE WHICH WAS WELL BEFORE MY TIME HERE IN BLUFFTON, I WENT THROUGH ANOTHER PROCESS THAT WAS SIMILAR TO IT. HOWEVER, I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF THE WHITE HOUSE BECAUSE I WAS NOT HERE WHEN THAT PROJECT CAME BEFORE THE THE HPC OR THE TOWN THE INFORMATION THAT IS BEING REQUESTED WHEN WE'RE TAKING A STRUCTURE AND PUTTING IT INTO THE NEW FRAMING IS HOW THAT PROCESS IS GOING TO LOOK.

SO WHAT A LOT OF THE INFORMATION HAS BEEN PROVIDED IN THE EMAILS THAT YOU ALL CORROBORATED INTO THE RECORD TONIGHT SPEAKS TO SOME OF THAT DRAWINGS AND THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE NEW CONSTRUCTION. THOSE ARE THE ITEMS THAT ARE WHAT ARE LOOKING FOR IT TO ENSURE THAT THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AS WELL AS THE OTHER SIX OR SEVEN SEVEN CRITERIA IN SECTION 318 THREE ARE ARE MET BECAUSE THERE JUST WASN'T QUITE ENOUGH INFORMATION

WITH THE INITIAL SUBMIT ALL TO ADDRESS ALL OF THOSE ITEMS. >> SO WHAT ARE WE MISSING? BENEFITS IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. SO I WILL SAY KATE KATY IS EXACTLY RIGHT.

I WANTED TO INTRODUCE THIS PROJECT THAT THE AGAIN. MR. MARK STATED THOSE WORDS MATTER DETAILS ARE VERY DIFFERENT. REHABILITATION AND PRESERVATION. SO THE PROJECT THE REHABILITATION PROJECT AT THIS IT'S A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND THIS IS THE FIRST ONE TO MY UNDERSTANDING ALTHOUGH THERE'S BEEN SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS IN THE RATE CONTRIBUTED TO IT. THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT I WASN'T SURE IF THAT ONE WAS CONTRIBUTING OR NOT THE RATE AS WELL.

SO BUT THIS IS ONE OF THE BIGGER PROJECTS SINCE THE GA GARVEY HOUSE AND THE GARVIN GRACE HOUSE. GARVIN GARVEY LOTS OF CHEESE AND HOURS AND.

SORRY BUT AND I WILL ALSO I WANT TO ALSO JUST TRY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT PRECEDENT.

>> YES, THAT IS A TERM AND THAT'S SOMETHING. BUT ALSO REMEMBER EACH EACH PROJECT DOES STAND ON ITS OWN AND IS REVIEWED ON ITS OWN. SO THAT'S MY NON-LEGAL BUT MY PLANNER AND ME RESPONSE TO THAT. SO I WOULD FOCUS ON THIS PROJECT BECAUSE IT IS DIFFERENT. ALL THE PROJECTS ARE DIFFERENT.

THE CRITERIA IS THE CRITERIA AND IT'S THE SAME WE HAVE NOT REVIEWED A PROJECT SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE OR STAFF WITH THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE OUTLINED IN THAT STAFF REPORT AND THAT'S WHY I SAID YES IT IS THE BULK AND IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION AND THERE'S A LOT OF SUBJECTIVITY REGULATORY LANGUAGE, YOU KNOW GUIDELINES. BUT AGAIN AND THAT'S THERE'S ALL THAT INFORMATION IN THE STAFF REPORT AS FAR AS WHAT'S MISSING.

THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT OUTLINED AND SOME THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TODAY THAT I'M LIKE OH THAT SOUNDS LIKE A PRESERVATION PLAN AND WE'RE GETTING YOU KNOW, GETTING MORE INFORMATION WHICH IS WHICH IS GREAT AND VERY HELPFUL I THINK WHEN REVIEWING IT AND TO GIVE YOU THAT INFORMATION TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION. SO I APOLOGIZE IF THAT SOUNDED A LITTLE BIT RAMBLING BUT IT'S TRYING TO AS I'M SITTING HERE AND TAKING IT ALL IN LIKE TRYING TRYING TO HELP AGAIN BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYONE'S TIME AND JUST MAKE THOSE COUPLE STATEMENTS. AND AGAIN, THAT'S KIND OF WHY I WANTED TO INTRODUCE THE

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INTRODUCE THE PROJECT AND KIND OF LAY IT OUT AT THE BEGINNING .

SPORTS PRESIDENT TO ADD TO THE SECOND COMMENT. EACH APPLICATION IS ON ITS OWN SO IN PARTICULAR SUBJECTIVE DETERMINATIONS. SO JUST SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE AGREED TO ALLOW A 28 HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT STRUCTURE IN ONE LOCATION DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU'RE REQUIRED TO ALLOW THAT SAME TWENTY EIGHT HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT STRUCTURE IN ANOTHER LOCATION BECAUSE MASSING IN SCALE IS A IS A SUBJECTIVE DETERMINATION OF WHAT HAPPENS TONIGHT DOES NOT NECESSARILY DICTATE WHAT HAPPENS IN FUTURE APPLICATIONS.

THIS IS ABOUT APPLYING THE CRITERIA AND USING YOUR BEST JUDGMENT TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE CRITERIA HAS BEEN MET OR WHETHER IT NEEDS TO BE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS OR DENIED BECAUSE THAT'S YOUR AUTHORITY TONIGHT. SO YOU HAVE THOSE THREE OPTIONS AFTER APPLYING THE CRITERIA HERE THE FACTS LISTENING TO THE KIN, LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND USING YOUR BEST JUDGMENT AND YOUR EXPERIENCE THAT WORDS MATTER ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THIS WHEN WE GET TO THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR AND THEREFORE TREATMENTS FOR DEALING WITH HISTORIC STRUCTURES PRESERVATION, REHABILITATION, RESTORATION AND RECONSTRUCTION . THE BIGGEST I LIKE THE IDEA OF SALVAGING THE AESTHETIC OF THIS STRUCTURE. I LIKE THE IDEA OF SOLVING THIS STRUCTURE AND TO YOUR POINT, YOU KNOW OF THE CRITERIA THAT IT FALLS UNDER WHICH QUALIFIED IT TO BE A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE FIRST PLACE. YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S DATE AND IT'S OWNERSHIP OF THE TWO PREVAILING CONTRIBUTING FACTORS UNDERSTANDING THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE STRUCTURE OR LACK THEREOF AND THE THE DIFFICULTY IN RELOCATING IT WHAT WE'RE CALLING IN MY OPINION OF REHABILITATION IT'S NOT A REHABILITATION.

WE'RE JUST WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING A NEW FOUNDATION AND A NEW HOME AND THEN SCANNING IT WITH A VENEER UTILIZING RESOURCE SAYS REMOVED FROM A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.

I FEEL THAT THE BIGGEST FAULT WE CAN MAKE AS A COMMITTEE IS AS A BOARD IS GOING DOWN A PATH WHERE WE SET A PRECEDENT OF LABEL MEAN SOMETHING THAT IS NOT REHABILITATION AS A AND AS AN APPROVED REHABILITATE. SO ASKING FOR APPROVAL TO REPLICATE A SORT CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE PROCESS THAT YOUR YOU'VE OUTLINED HERE TO ME IS IT SPEAKS MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE INTENT AS DEFINED BY THOSE OPPORTUNITIES PRESERVATION, REHABILITATION, RESTORATION, RECONSTRUCTION AND RECONSTRUCTION IS DEFINED AS THE ACT OR PROCESS DEPICTING BY MEANS OF NEW CONSTRUCTION THE FORWARD FEATURES AND DETAILING NON SURVIVING SITE LANDSCAPE BUILDING STRUCTURE OR OBJECT. SO BY BUILDING THAT NEW HOME RIGHT BESIDE THE EXISTING CORNER. AND THEN WHEN WE GET TO A POINT WHERE YOU'RE READY TO PUT THE EXTERIOR SIDING ON THAT I'M TAKING THOSE COMPONENTS. IT'S NOT REHABILITATION.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S A BAD THING. I'M JUST SAYING THE WORDS DO MATTER AND WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE HAVE TO NAVIGATE IS INTERPRETING THE UTILITY ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON. AND YES, EVERYBODY WANTS TO SEE THIS DONE WELL AND THEY WANT TO SEE IT DONE PROMPTLY. AND YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING THAT BUT WE HAVE OTHER PRECEDENTS AS THAT WHAT WE SET HERE ARE GOING TO FOLLOW. SO COUNCIL JUST SAID PRECEDENT IS THE PROSECUTOR IN THIS CASE SPECIFICALLY TO A DEGREE THERE. WELL, JOSH, LET SO SO I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU. I'M NOT GOOD ON THE WORDS. I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT WE'RE DOING. WHAT IS THE SO WHAT? SO IF I WANT TO SOLVE THAT, WHAT DO I NEED TO DO? SO THE HANG THAT FITS IN THE RIGHT CATEGORY.

I'LL BE RESPECTFUL. FOR ME THE BIGGEST HANG UP IS IS THE FACT THAT THE NEWLY STATES THAT WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR'S AND THE FACT THAT THIS IS BEING CALLED A REHABILITATION. NOW WE CAN'T LOOK AT WHAT THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR'S CALLS

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REHABILITATION AND THEN LOOK AT THIS PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION WITH THE UTILIZATION OF AN EXISTING EXTERIOR. THEY DON'T OVERLAP. ALL RIGHT.

SO I I UNDERSTAND. HOW DO I SOLVE THAT? DO I CHANGE THE WORD IN THE APPLICATION? I'M TRYING TO SAY I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.

>> YEAH, I I AGREE WITH JOSH AS FAR AS THE THE PROBLEM WITH THE PRECEDENT IS THAT IT'S THIS IS SUBMITTED UNDER A RESTORATION AND REHABILITATION BUT IT IS CONSTRUCTION AND IT IS NOT.

I THINK THAT'S A SLIPPERY TO GO DOWN. WHEN YOU USE THE WORD REPLICA BECAUSE REPLICA IS NOT THE SAME THING AND I THINK THAT USING THOSE TERMS INTERCHANGEABLY BECOMES VERY FOGGY MEANT THAT WHEN WE TOOK THE WORD OF I WOULD WHAT I WOULD THINK THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO HAVE AND HAVE IT REMOVED FROM THE LIST AND THEN REUSE THOSE MATERIALS AS YOU WANT. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS RESTORATION.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS TOO THAT WE WERE NAVIGATING RIGHT HERE IS IN ESSENCE IF WE GRANT IF WE WERE TO GRANT APPROVAL AS IT'S OUTLINED RIGHT NOW IN ESSENCE WE'RE GRANTING DEMOLITION

OF THAT HOME. >> ALL RIGHT. HOW ABOUT IT?

>> I DON'T DISAGREE. I'M I'M LOOKING I'M LOOKING FOR YOU TO TELL ME WHAT IS AN ISSUE AND THEN HELP SOLVE THE PROBLEM COULD BE USED TOWARD RECONSTRUCTION BECAUSE YOU'RE

RECONSTRUCTING OR IS THAT SAYING YOU'RE BUILDING NEW? >> YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHERE I LOOK FOR GUIDANCE FROM THE POWERS THAT BE WITHIN OUR WITHIN OUR TOWNSHIP TO MAKE SURE THAT GUYS LIKE ME. I DO HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH WORKING UNDER ARCHITECTURAL

OBSERVATION AND PERFORMING HISTORIC PRESERVATION. >> HOWEVER, THIS GENTLEMAN RIGHT HERE EATS DRINKS AND BREATHES THAT STUFF. SO I DON'T WANT TO OUTLINE A PATH FOR YOU WHEN THERE IS A SMARTER PERSON IN THIS ROOM THAT CAN ASSIST US IN

NAVIGATING THAT PATH. >> BUT I'LL SAY THIS. ALL RIGHT.

SO IN WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED AND WHAT'S BEFORE FOR NOW THERE'S JUST A FEW THINGS THAT I KEY IN ON I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ARE THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES PORTION OF THIS.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE EXISTING WINDOWS AND DOORS RE GLAZING KENT THE GRAVES COTTAGE ON THE CORNER OF ALLEN STREET AND CALHOUN STREET THE EXISTING HISTORICAL 1988 WINDOWS ARE ALL SINGLE PANE THERE WERE RE GLAZED CHARLESTON AND THEN I THINK THAT THERE'S REALLY ONLY TWO WINDOWS IN THERE BECAUSE THE OTHERS HAVE BEEN REPLACED RECENTLY FROM BROKEN OR COMING GOING AND BUYING A LOWE'S WINDOW OR SOMETHING. I THINK THERE'S REALLY ONLY IF

I UNDERSTAND THERE'S ONLY TWO ACTUAL CAME. >> I MEAN THEY'RE AT THE HISTORIC WINDOWS AND IT THAT THE FRONT AREN'T ORIGINAL. I MEAN THEY'RE RUN AREN'T

ORIGINAL EITHER. >> I MEAN I DIDN'T IT SAYS THEY CAN'T ESTABLISH AS IF AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE ORIGINAL. SUCH COULD YOU PUT WOULD YOU PUT IN A HOUSE WITH A FAMILY. SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND. THE SINGLE PANE WINDOWS.

WOULD YOU DO WITH YOUR MONEY? I KNOW WE'RE NOT. WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH MY PASTOR AND HIS FAMILY IN A HOUSE WITH SINGLE PANE RE GLAZED WINDOWS AND YOU CAN DO THAT FOR SOMEBODY THAT PASSES CODE WITH RICHARD'S SPRUCE OF . YES SIR.

>> I JUST HAVE A QUESTION AS FAR AS PRECEDENT AND THE GARVIN HOUSE KNOWING THE CONSTRUCTION THAT TOOK PLACE THERE. I KNOW A LOT OF THE MATERIALS FOR THE GARVIN HOUSE WERE RECLAIMED MOST OF THE WINDOWS THERE AND THERE WERE I THINK ONLY TWO WINDOWS IN THE GARVIN HOUSE THAT WERE ORIGINAL. SO YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK PRECEDENT AND WE TALK ABOUT THE INTERIOR DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR'S REQUIREMENTS, WE'RE LOOKING AT A STRUCTURE THAT IS IS BEYOND COMPREHEND. AS FAR AS PICKING IT UP AND MOVING IT IN BIG CHUNKS OVER TO THE EAST SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY AND THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH IT IS YOU'RE ASKING US AND I'M JUST SAYING THIS THEORETICALLY I'M NOT SAYING TO YOU IN A IN A NEGATIVE WAY TO TAKE A STRUCTURE THAT HAS THREE STRUCTURAL ASSESSMENT REPORTS DONE ON IT THAT SAYS IT'S BEYOND REPAIR AND YOU'RE ASKING US TO BRING THIS BUILDING IN PIECES IN BIG PIECES TO THIS SITE AND PUT IT ON THE SAME PIERS, THE SAME FRAMING, THE SAME EVERYTHING.

>> I'M SORRY, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I'VE SAID. NO, NO, NO, I'M.

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>> BUT THAT'S WHAT IS IN THIER THEORY IS WHAT WE'RE BUILDING PAST WITH IN THE LISTING.

>> I'M NOT PROPOSING NO ONE UP HERE IS PROPOSING THAT. >> NO BUT IT'S IN IT'S IN THE IT'S IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE REMOVE THE HOUSE IN BIG PIECES OVER HERE.

READ YOUR RECOMMENDATION. BUT TO USE THE SAME THE SAME MATERIALS THAT HAVE ARE BEYOND

REPAIR. >> CAN I JUST REJECTS THE COMMENTS IN THE STAFF REPORTER THERE BECAUSE IN THE NARRATIVE THAT THEY PROVIDED THEY'RE GOING TO RELOCATE AND REHABILITATE THE STRUCTURE AND THAT'S THAT'S BOTH WORDS, RIGHT?

THAT'S WHERE WE MEET A CROSSROADS. >> SO READ THE LANGUAGE BACK AND RINGING IN A MANNER THAT WE HAVE TO RESPOND. WE WORK DO MATTER.

SO WE NEED TO GO BACK AND SAY WHAT THAT WE WANT TO BUILD A NEWER FRAME, USE EXISTING MATERIAL THAT WE CAN OR WE HAVE TO MOVE THE STRUCTURE THAT'S BEYOND REPAIR OVER HERE.

I WOULD DO THE RELOCATION OR DEMOLITION WHAT'S BEEN PROVIDED LIKE THIS.

>> THIS IS GOOD. >> THIS IS THE BEST STARTING POINT.

IT IS A NARRATIVE THAT'S MORE ALIGNED WITH WHAT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED THE ACTUAL MIDDLE DOESN'T SPEAK TO THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER THAT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO HAPPEN THERE AND REHABILITATION IS NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING IT'S NOT A REHABILITATION.

>> SO I GUESS I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. SO WE DON'T WANT TO DEMOLISH THE BUILDING. WE WANT TO. WE WANT TO PRESERVE THE BUILDING BUT TO TO TAKE A STRUCTURE THAT HAS BEEN DEEMED WE'RE NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU ON THAT. YEAH, BUT THAT'S WHERE I GUESS THAT'S WHERE MY DILEMMA IS IS THAT OK, WE OUR APPLICATION DOESN'T SPEAK ON WHAT WE'RE ASKING TO DO THAT I UNDERSTAND AND THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED BUT TO TRY TO USE THIS STRUCTURE THAT HAS BEEN DEEMED DETERIORATING STATE AND TO USE EVERY ASPECT OF IT THAT WE CAN OVER HERE JUST DOESN'T MAKE

SENSE TO ME. >> WELL AND WE'RE NOT SAYING IT DOES SO PLEASE.

>> I UNDERSTAND. SO I GUESS THAT'S MY MY MY DILEMMA IS HOW DO YOU GET AROUND THAT? HOW DO WE GET SOMETHING TALKED ABOUT OR DISCUSSED THAT WERE WOULD ALLOW THIS PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD IN A POSITIVE MANNER IN WHAT'S BEEN OUTLINED

HERE? >> UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME A WORD THAT'S NEEDING TO BE CHANGED BUT TO FOR ME TO HAVE THIS WHOLE PROCESS STARTED AGAIN FOR A

WORD DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S FAIR TO THE APPLICANT. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN JUST YOU'LL GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT OF A MOMENT HERE. YES.

FOR ME THE PRIVILEGE OF LET'S SAY IF YOU DON'T MIND THAT THE PUBLIC COMMENT GETS HERE WE CAN INCORPORATE WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS KIND OF GETTING MORE INTO THE OPEN DISCUSSION PORTION OF THE HPC AND TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOUR POTENTIAL SESSIONS MIGHT BE.

WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS PUBLIC DISCUSSION AND THEN IF I CAN SOMEWHAT TAKE THE FLOOR AND SEE IF WE CAN'T IF I CAN TRY TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION FROM YOU ALL AS TO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SO THAT WE CAN APPROPRIATELY GUIDE THE APPLICANT WITHOUT REQUIRING THEM TO KNOW OBVIOUSLY NOT START FROM SCRATCH BUT WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE EXPEDITE THIS PROCESS BECAUSE IT DOES SOUND LIKE THAT. AND I'M JUST PICKING UP ON WHAT I'M HEARING. HAVEN'T SPOKEN ANY OF YOU BEFORE ABOUT THIS PROJECT BUT OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF THE MOTIVATION OF THE APPLICANT.

IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF THE CAPABILITIES OF THE APPLICANT. IT'S A QUESTION AS TO THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF THE APPLICATION AND WHETHER THERE DETAIL PROVIDED THAT YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE APPROVING THIS BECAUSE OF THE ISSUES THAT COULD IT COULD HAVE DOWN THE LINE WITH OTHER APPLICATIONS AND ALSO THE TERMINOLOGY THAT WAS USED DOES NOT NECESSARILY REFLECT WHAT THE APPLICATION STATES. SO IF YOU IF YOU'LL GIVE ME A MOMENT TO ALLOW ME TO DO THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION AND THEN WE CAN WE CAN ASK AND I CAN START TAKING NOTES AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET TO A REASONABLE RESOLUTION THAT EVERYBODY'S COMFORTABLE WITH. THANK YOU GUYS. WE'RE READY.

REPUBLIC ELEMENT CERTAINLY ARE . >> I'M GOING TO APOLOGIZE TO MR. HAYWARD BECAUSE I WILL NOT DO NEAR JUSTICE TO THIS COMMENT BUT JOAN M. HAYWARD 95 BOUNDARY

STREET. >> THIS WAS SUBMITTED IN WRITING AND UNFORTUNATELY CAN NOT BE HERE TONIGHT TO DELIBERATE IN 2004 2005 TAHMINA UNDERTOOK THE REHAB AT THE PINE

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HOUSE BURN HOUSE WAS IN DEPLORABLE CONDITION. WE WORKED THROUGH THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE AND THE PROCESS WAS AMAZINGLY EASY CONSIDERING THE CONDITION AND SIZE OF THE HOUSE. WE ABSOLUTELY WENT BEYOND THE STANDARDS.

NOW WE HAVE BEFORE US THE JOINT HER HOUSE AND FOLLOWING IT. KIKI CLEVELAND'S HOUSE ON WALL STREET AND THE DEER TONGUE BUILDING. I READ THE APPLICATION ONLINE FOR THE JOINER HOUSE. FROM MY READING IT SEEMS ALL OF THE RULES ARE BEING FOLLOWED AS HAPPENED WITH THE BARN HOUSE GREAT CONSIDERATION BEING MADE FOR CONVERTING TO THIS CENTURY UTILIZING ALL PARTS THE HOUSE AVAILABLE. I PLEAD WITH YOU TO CONSIDER OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT AND HISTORIC HOMES WE HAVE AVAILABLE FOR REHAB PRIVATE CITIZENS STEPPING FORWARD TO UNDERTAKE THESE PROJECTS. THIS IS A PLUS FOR OUR DISTRICT AND WE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE THEM AND WORK WITH THEM IN A WAY THAT ENCOURAGES OTHERS AND PROMOTES PRESERVATION WHILE AT THE SAME TIME BEING FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE.

THESE STRUCTURES TELL A STORY OF BLUFFTON AND MUST BE SAVED TO I AM PERSONALLY WORKING WITH KIKI CLEVELAND AND IT SEEMS SHE IS RECEIVING ROADBLOCKS INSTEAD OF ENCOURAGEMENT.

SHE IS A YOUNG WOMAN GREW BLUFFTON AND WANTS TO REHAB HER FAMILY COTTAGE.

HER PROJECT WILL BE LATER. IN CLOSING I PLEAD WITH YOU THE MEMBERS OF HPC TO LOOK AT THE ENTIRE PICTURE OF THE JOINT HOUSE JOINT A FAMILY PROPERTY A PLACE WHERE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY OF OLD BLUFFTON GREW UP IN THE HISTORY OF DESTRUCTION TALES OF BLUFFTON. LET'S WORK TOGETHER TO TELL OUR STORY AND PRESERVE THE HISTORY ,HERITAGE AND BLUFFTON. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

>> I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. >> SO I'M MR. CHAIRMAN, ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT THEN I'M AWARE OF ? NO.

OKAY. THANK YOU. SO MOVING FORWARD, TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT IS THE BEST PROCESS AND THE PATH. ONE THING I DO THINK WE NEED TO HEAR AND MISSISSIPPI COMMISSIONER SIMPSON, COMMISSIONER BOX BILL HAVE STARTED TO KIND OF EXPRESS THEIR CONCERNS WITH THE PROJECT ,WHAT INFORMATION THAT THEY WOULD LIKE OR AT LEAST WHAT THEY THINK NEED TO BE ADDRESSED BY THE APPLICANT PRIOR TO BEING ABLE TO GET THAT APPROVAL. I WOULD APPRECIATE IF OBVIOUSLY MR. CHAIRMAN MR. SOLOMON SMELTER IF YOU WOULD PROVIDE ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE AS WELL SO WE CAN TRY TO PUT THOSE TOGETHER AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO TRY AGAIN MOVE THIS FORWARD NOT NECESSARILY BACKWARDS OR AT THE VERY LEAST TO SEE IF WE HAVE TO TABLE THIS APPLICATION OR IF THERE IS A DECISION THAT COULD BE MADE TONIGHT. SO I THINK WE FIRST NEED TO GET THAT INFORMATION.

SO IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO Y'ALL. I'VE I TAKE NOTES.

THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU KNOW IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS AND I GUESS MAYBE WE'LL JUST COME DOWN THE LINE IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. AND IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR INPUT OR IDEAS OR WHAT YOU'RE VIEWING, I PERSONALLY THROUGHOUT THAT BEAR WANTED TO LOOK TO BE CAREFUL. BUT I WANT TO SAY THAT TO DO WHAT THEY'RE DOING, DO WHAT THEY'RE DOING. IT'S WONDERFUL THAT THAT'S THIS STRUCTURE THAT IS, YOU KNOW, OLD TOWN BLUFFTON IS GONNA NOT BE NECESSARILY RESTORED BUT YOU KNOW, WHATEVER I THINK IT'S FANTASTIC. YOU KNOW I MEAN MAYBE JUST NEED TO FIGURE OUT DIFFERENT WORDING

OR I DON'T KNOW. >> YEAH. I MEAN I JUST I JUST I THINK YOU REALLY HIT LIKE THE OVERARCHING PROBLEM. I COULDN'T LIKE THAT.

I MEAN TO ME WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH THE USO AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS I MEAN THE USO. I MEAN WE ARE SUPPOSED TO CONSIDER THAT FROM THE TO GO AND YOU KNOW, THIS I GUESS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WE'RE SEEING TODAY WITH THE NARRATIVE TALKING AND YOU EXPLAINING, MR. MARKS, THAT THE PROCESS WAS IT WAS A LOT MORE CLEAR THAN ORIGINALLY JUST SEEING THE FULL APPLICATION AND MOSTLY THE FLOOR PLAN.

>> I THINK FOR ME THIS IS KIND OF SLIGHTLY GETTING OFF TOPIC BUT ONE MY BIG CONCERNS WAS I HAVE NO HESITATION WITH THE TEAM THAT YOU'VE ASSEMBLED AND Y'ALL THAT YOU WOULD DO AN AMAZING JOB. MY PROBLEM IS THESE APPLICATIONS ARE NOT LIKE AN IF YOU LIKE A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS THERE. THEREFORE I MEAN WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY SEE I DO THINK WE NEED TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD WHETHER IT'S BEEN A MINOR RENOVATION OR WHETHER SOMEONE'S ADDING A BEDROOM.

I'VE WE'VE ALWAYS SEEN ALL FOUR SIDES THE ELEVATIONS OF THE HOME ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING IT WAS HARD FOR ME TO FOLLOW THE NARRATIVE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REPLACING WINDOWS WITH A DOOR. I THINK A LOT OF THE. WELL, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT SOME

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OF THE COMMENTS FROM STAFF I FEEL LIKE WOULD BE SOLVED WITH JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION AND FOR ME IT WAS. I MEAN THE ELEVATIONS OF THE BUILDINGS OR AT LEAST IF IT WAS STRAIGHT ON VIEWS OF EACH OF THEM FROM PICTURES ACTUALLY LIKE EXPLAINING WHAT YOU WERE SAVING OR PRESERVING I GUESS THAT WAS MY I MEAN EVERY EVERY APPLICATION THAT WE'VE RECEIVED WE'VE ALWAYS HAD PLANS PLANS AND YES, WE HAVE THE SECTIONS AND WE HAVE DETAILED FLOOR PLANS BUT THAT WAS THE MAIN THING THAT WAS MISSING FOR ME IS SOMETHING CONCRETE WAS THE

WERE THAT THOSE ELEVATIONS AND I JUST MIGHT COME FORWARD. >> I GUESS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT THIS IS SOMETIMES THESE THE STANDARDS ARE WRITTEN IN IN A SENSE FOR A MUSEUM CONTEXT AND THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL TYPE BUILDING. YOU KNOW, I SEE THAT YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE OUTLINES THAT THEY ASKED FOR IS, YOU KNOW, GOOD DOCUMENTATION, CAREFUL, THOUGHTFUL WITH INTEGRITY. THOSE SOME OF THE WORDS THAT I WAS LOOKING THROUGH AND AGAIN TRYING TO DO MY HOMEWORK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS CAUGHT UP ON.

BUT I I VIEW THAT IN THE INFORMATION THAT WE WERE GIVEN AND AGAIN JUST AS A THIS IS NOW

PART OF THE APPLICANTS, CORRECT? >> THIS HAS BECOME PART OF IT.

YES. I MEAN SURE. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S TRUE. SO WE DO HAVE A PROCESS AND WE DO HAVE SOMETHING THAT HE HAS TO FOLLOW IF PROCEEDING FORWARD . YES, SIR, MR. CHAIRMAN.

SO IF YOU ALL APPROVE THIS, THIS IS THE PROCESS. THIS IS WHAT THEY'VE OUTLINED JUST LIKE WITH ANY OTHER APPLICATION FROM GOING BACK TO THE FACT THAT I'M SAYING THAT,

YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING FOR FEDERAL GRANT MONEY. >> I THINK THAT'S KEY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THIS IS REGULATORY ONLY HELP ME HERE. THEY'RE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR

FEDERAL GRANT MONEY. OK. >> SO THEREFORE THAT'S SO THIS BECOMES THE WORD REGULATORY ONLY AND THE STANDARDS I THINK THE INFORMATION THAT YOU PROVIDE, MR. MARKS, IS YOU KNOW, STANDARDS ARE TO BE APPLIED TO SPECIFIC REALLY BUILD STATION PROJECTS, REASONABLE MANNER TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION ECONOMIC AND TECHNOLOGICALLY FEASIBILITY. I I FEEL THAT EVERYTHING IN MY OPINION IS BEING MET.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I REALLY LIKE ABOUT THIS PROJECT IS THIS IS BEING BROUGHT FORWARD TO THE STREET MORE IT'S NOT BEING PRESENTED IN THE BACK. THIS IS GOING TO BE A PROJECT ON A CORNER AND IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE IT HAD EVERYTHING THAT I HEAR IT'S GOING TO BE REPLICATED. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WANT YOU KNOW, REPLICATED WHATEVER WORD WE WANT TO USE. NO ONE'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO TELL THE MATERIAL IS GONNA BE REUSED. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE TO BE LISTED IN MARK BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST TAKEN IT OFF HERE, PUTTING IT OVER THERE, TAKING IT OFF HERE, PUTTING IT OVER THERE.

SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO STORE IT. THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING AND IT'S THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH REALLY TO SALVAGE EXCEPT FOR THE BOX IN THE BOX IS BROKEN. THE BOX IS THE INTERIOR RATED.

YOU KNOW, I'M CALLING IT THE BOX AND THEY'RE GOING TO JUST PUT STUFF ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BOX AND ON THE TOP OF MAKE IT LOOK EXACTLY LIKE IT WAS WHEN IT WAS FIRST BUILT.

THE SCREENS ARE GONNA BE THE SAME MANNER AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO I GUESS I'M KIND LOOKING AT THIS IS HOW DO WE GET THIS PROJECT SO THAT THE APPLICANT COULD HAVE SOMETHING AND WALK AWAY AND PROCEED FORWARD. I GUESS THAT'S THAT WOULD BE TO ME SOMETHING GOOD FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY. I WANT TO START WRITING.

I THINK THAT IT SOUNDS FANTASTIC AND I LOVE EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING AND THE PROJECTS THAT YOU'LL HAVE DONE MY NOT TO GET INTO SEMANTICS BUT I DON'T WHERE YOU JUST DESCRIBED DOES NOT THERE'S NOT RESTORATION TO ME AND REPLICATING REPLICATION IS NEW CONSTRUCTION IN MY MIND IT IS NOT RESTORATION. SO THAT'S WHERE THAT'S THE ONLY PROBLEM PRECEDENT I HAVE IS THAT WHEN YOU START TAKING THESE BUILDINGS AND REPLICATING THEM THEN YOU'RE GOING DOWN A SLIPPERY. BUT I DON'T DOUBT THE CONDITION OF THE HOUSE.

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I'VE BEEN THERE ON SITE AND I DON'T DOUBT THAT AND I DON'T DOUBT THAT IT IS COMPLETELY LOGICAL TO TRY TO MOVE IT AND IT'S STATE BUT I JUST DON'T THINK THAT YOU CAN SAY YOUR RENOVATE OR RESTORING AND PRESERVING A HOUSE WHEN THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND THEN WE'RE GONNA BE HELD TO THAT STANDARD GOING FORWARD WITH HOMES THAT MAY BE ABLE TO DO THAT. JUST LOOKING BACK THROUGH THE VIDEO TO SEE IF IT SPOKE TO A REPLICATION PROCESS THEN SO YEAH I'VE SAID AND JOSH JUST GOING TO REPLICATION PROCESS REPLICATING WOULD BE NEW CONSTRUCTION USING GREEN OR REUSED MATERIALS SO IT WAS ACTUALLY 383 FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION IF IT WERE TO BE A REPLICATION WITH LITTLE OR ANYTHING WITH THE WORD REPLICATION I THINK WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.

>> HOW CAN WE PROCEED FORWARD IN UTILIZE IF IT TRULY IS REPLICATE THE EXACT DIMENSIONS AND ROOF AND WINDOW AND YOU KNOW IT'S DONE PRETTY WHEN I UNDERSTAND PRETTY ACCURATELY IT STILL NEW CONSTRUCTION AND I WOULD JUST JUST TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT I MEAN

FOR ME FOR INSTANCE I DON'T. >> ARE WE YOU'RE EXACTLY MATCHING THOUGH THE WINDOWS

WITH THESE NEW WINDOWS? I MEAN I WOULD NEED TO SEE. >> AGAIN, I WOULD NEED TO SEE THOSE ELEVATIONS TOO. I MEAN IT SOUNDS AFTER I DON'T KNOW HOW THE REST I MEAN IT SOUNDS LIKE I MEAN IT'S A FROM THE DEFINITIONS IN THE UDA SO IT IS A DEMOLITION A SENSITIVE DEMOLITION I WOULD SAY AND THEN BUILDING A NEW STRUCTURE AND REPLICATING THAT WITH THAT.

>> YEAH. >> SORRY. AND IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M SORRY TO DO THAT. YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT.

AND I'M SURE THE APPLICANT'S GOING TO WANT TO WANT TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THIS.

I'M SURE STAFF'S GOT SOME COMMENTS AS WELL. BUT BEFORE WE SO I CAN KIND OF ORGANIZE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF MR. SIMPSON ANY OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT THIS SO I CAN JUST TRY TO ORGANIZE AS BEST I CAN TO THINKING ALONG THE LINES OF OF PERFORMING A NEW

CONSTRUCTION REPLICATE OF THE JOINER HOME CIRCA 1960. >> I MEAN IN ESSENCE THAT'S THAT'S A MAYBE A GOOD SUMMARY OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE GIVEN WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US. HERE'S MY FEEDBACK ON THAT PROPOSED DESIGN.

I'D LIKE TO SEE THE ENTRY COUNT. I'D LIKE TO SEE THE EXISTING WINDOWS WITHIN THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE CONTRIBUTE A PORTION OF THE STRUCTURE KEPT AND RE GLAZING BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO THAT'S GONNA MAKE THAT AESTHETIC TRUE.

IT'S GONNA MAKE THAT AESTHETIC READ THROUGH. THE MARVIN WINDOWS THEY'RE GREAT WINDOWS BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO REPLICATE THAT SINGLE PANE.

TRUE DIVIDED LIGHT WHICH IS WHAT IS THERE NOW. I'D LIKE TO SEE THE ORIGINAL OR THE EXISTING STEEL COLUMNS THAT ARE ON THE SIDE PORCH KEPT. I THINK THAT AGAIN THAT'S THE TANGIBLE COMPONENTS THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT TO IT BUT IT'S A IT'S A PART OF IT.

LEAP YEAR DESIGN SO IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO TAKE A HCM YOU AND WRAP IT WITH FOUR INCH BRICK OR 12 BY TWELVE AND GET A REPLICATED 12 BY 12 PURE WHICH IS WHAT'S THERE NOW.

EUGENE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I ENCOUNTERED PERSONALLY IN WORKING TO BUILD A HOME THAT REPLICATED A CIRCA NINETEEN THIRTIES BLUFFTON COLLEGE. SO THERE IS STRUCTURAL DETAILS THAT AREN'T HERE THAT ARE GONNA BE REQUIRED FOR THE BUILDING OF THAT NEW HOME.

IT TOOK ITS 12 BY TWELVE CMU AND YOU CAN CUT THE EXISTING BRICK IN APPLY THOSE TO A

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TWELVE BY TWELVE. AND WITH PACKING OUT THAT SEAM YOU WON'T ALLOW THAT THAT SIGHTING TO GO RIGHT ACROSS THE FACE OF THE BRICK THAT CAN BE DONE.

BUT WHAT'S DRAWN IS NOT GOING TO REPLICATE WHAT'S IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT THAT PURE

DETAIL. >> SO I THINK ME JOSH IS TO BE SPENT TIME ON THE BUT I'LL LET YOU CONTINUE OBVIOUSLY. BUT JUST 12 INCHES BY 12 INCHES WORKING TO GET A PIECE OF THREADED ROD THROUGH THERE AND INTO AN EXTRA ROOM WALL. THAT'S THAT'S GOING TO BE ENCOUNTERED THROUGH THE STRUCTURAL DESIGN PROCESS. AND IT'S JUST I FLAGGED THAT AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER CONCERN WHICH WE CAN'T SPEAK TO COLOR IS ANY OF THE PANELS OF THE ROOF THAT HAVE TO BE PURCHASED NEW THE AMOUNT OF FADING THAT'S EXISTENT ON THE CURRENT ROOF JUST UTILIZING NEW PANELS ON THE BACK RIGHT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY SO THAT IT'S NOT SEEN FROM THE STREET OR WE COULD WE COULD TRY AND USE SOME ORGANIC ACID.

>> I WOULD CAUTION AGAINST THAT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T STOP IT. ONCE IT STARTS.

BUT ASIDE FROM THAT IT'S JUST FOR ME IT'S A IT'S A WORKING ITEM.

AND IF WE IF WE AREN'T CAUTIOUS ABOUT HOW WE APPROACH THE WORDING IN THE APPROVAL OF THIS, THEN IT IT'S SOME IT'S OPENING A DOOR FOR FURTHER INTERPRETATION.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SIMPSON. NOW THAT I HAVE YOU ALSO NOTES WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS STEP SIDE AND MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU AGREE TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK OR OR STAFF TO SPEAK AS TO ANY OF THESE PARTICULAR ISSUES AND MAYBE WE CAN FIND SOME THAT ARE THERE IN AGREEMENT TWO THAT CAN BE CONDITIONS IMPOSED OR WE CAN FIGURE OUT IF THERE ARE CERTAIN ISSUES THAT CAN BE DELEGATED TO A STAFF LEVEL REVIEW OR AND

DON'T HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE HPC. >> SO IF YOU KNOW MINIMAL STEP ASIDE AND JUST KIND OF REVIEW THESE NOTES, LOOK AT EVERYTHING AND BE BACK TO ADDRESS THESE

ISSUES WITH YOU ON WHAT WE NEED TO DO. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR GUIDANCE ON THIS. YES, I YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO TALK.

SO I APPRECIATE I APPRECIATE AND RESPECT YOUR PERSPECTIVE AND IF I COULD JUST JUDGE A I THINK WE CAN KNOW THE ENGINEERS ALREADY KNOW THAT THE STRUCTURAL IS ALREADY DOING STUFF AND SO WE CAN THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD I UNDERSTAND OUR RESPECT AND WE'LL RESPOND IF

THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO HAVE A BETTER SECTION OF THE PEERS. >> THAT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE I WANTED TO LOOK THE WAY IT DOES AND IF YOU'RE VIEWING WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE BUT YOUR EXPERTISE IS WE CAN'T GET THERE FROM HERE. WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WILL GIVE YOU THE WINDOWS. I. I DON'T MAYBE BECAUSE I'VE BEEN THERE AND I'M TRYING TO MOVE THEM AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S NOT.

COULD I ASK THAT YOU SAY USE EXISTING OR REPLACE WITH HISTORICAL VERSUS JUST A NEWER VERSION HISTORICAL QUALITY WINDOW THAT HAS THE EXACT STYLE AND SO FORTH AS OPPOSED TO THOSE? I'M NOT SO MUCH I THINK IT'LL LOOK THE SAME AND IT'LL BE HISTORICAL QUALITY WILL BE EXORBITANTLY EXPENSIVE BUT IT'LL GIVE YOU THAT LOOK WITH A

NEW WINDOW. >> SO I DON'T THINK I CAN READ. I DON'T THINK I CAN RECALL AS THOSE ARE THE EQUIVALENT AND WHEN IT COMES TO WHEN IT COMES TO THE RESTORATION OF WINDOWS SUCH AS THAT THIS IS SUCH BAD SHAPE THERE'S GONNA BE COMPONENTS OF THE THICK THAT WILL PARTY IS NOT GOING TO FIX. I MEAN THERE'S GOING TO BE COMPONENTS MILLION AND NEW PARTS AND PIECES WOULD BE REQUIRED. SO WHEN I SAY KEEP THE EXISTING WINDOWS, WHAT I WHAT I MEAN IS RESTORE THE EXISTING WINDOWS AND TO KEEP THEM AS LIGHT KIND AS POSSIBLE. SO WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU WOULD SAY ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IS TO IS TO TRY AND RETAIN OR REPLACE WITH HISTORIC QUALITY? MARVIN PAELLA.

I'VE WALKED THROUGH THE HOUSE AND FROM MEMORY I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING ANY TYPE OF JAM LINERS OR ANYTHING THAT WOULD LEAD ME TO BELIEVE THAT IT'S NOT A WEIGHTED SASH WINDOW.

>> AND IF IT IS IN FACT A WEIGHTED SASH WINDOW THEN THERE ARE ARTISANS IN OUR AREA THAT I'VE WORKED WITH IN THE PAST THAT CAN DO A FULL RESTORATION. THEY CAN TAKE THOSE PANES OUT.

THEY CAN TAKE THEM BACK TO THE SHOP. WE GLAZE THEM, PUT THE STORE GLASS IN AND BRING THEM BACK, FIX THE WEIGHTS AND I'M NOT GOING TO I I RESPECT YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THIS. I RESPECT YOUR EXPERIENCE. I'M NOT GOING TO TRY AND NEGOTIATE YOUR POSITION. I'M JUST I JUST DON'T THINK THERE IS LENDERS THAT

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OVERCHARGE THAT YOU'RE THE OTHER THE OTHER THE OTHER ASPECTS IF AND I GUESS MARY THIS GETS TO YOURS I UNDERSTAND THAT IT MIGHT WE MIGHT NOT HAVE USED THE RIGHT TERMINOLOGY BECAUSE BECAUSE THIS COULD BE A NUMBER OF THINGS. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE ADDRESS THAT BUT IF THIS IS IF THIS IS MORE CLEARLY DEFINING THE WHAT AND THEN WE CAN FOLLOW WITH LET'S LET'S DEFINE THE WHAT AND THEN THESE ARE THE CONDITIONS THAT WE'D LIKE BECAUSE WE'VE CHANGED THE WHAT THAT WE UNDERSTAND AND THAT'S THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE LEAST TO ME. I THINK IT GETS BACK TO YOUR WINDOWS.

THE CHALLENGE I HAVE IS I UNDERSTAND THAT I WHAT I DON'T WANT IS FOR YOU TO SAY I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THIS PROCESS TO SAY WHAT WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. AND AND I KNOW AT TIMES IT'S DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO TELL US THE WHAT. AND THAT'S WHERE I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE HERE WITH THIS.

YOU WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND WE WANT TO DO WHAT WORKS BUT WE DON'T WANT YOU KNOW, IF YOU FOLLOW WHAT I'M SAYING. SO. SO YOU'RE SO YOU'RE SO FOR YOU TO SAY I NEED THE WINDOWS, I NEED THE PEERS AND I NEED THE DOORS AND I WANT THE MEDAL.

IF THOSE ARE THE THINGS I GET IT, I CAN DO IT. AND I MIGHT NOT LIKE IT.

BUT THEN I UNDERSTAND AND I WOULD SAY JESSE PERHAPS GIVEN THE FACT THAT THERE ARE ELEMENTS SUCH CASING IN THE WINDOW SILLS AND SUCH THAT ARE GOING TO BE REPLICATED, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO MAYBE THAT'S A STAFF APPROVALS THAT THOSE PROFILES COULD BE BROUGHT IN AND THE STAFF COULD APPROVE THAT OR A WINDOWS MIDDLE COULD BE PROVIDED TO STAFF THAT IS THE MOUNTAINS AND SUCH ARE SELECTED TO COMPLEMENT THE EXISTING WINDOWS AS BEST AS

POSSIBLE. >> IF IF IF A MOTION WERE TO LAND THAT THAT INCLUDED KEEPING THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS AND THE CONTRIBUTING PORTION. YEAH YEAH IF IF THE RIGHT.

>> YEAH. THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS WERE KEPT AND THE CONTRIBUTING PORTION THEN YES THAT I WOULD HAVE NO QUALMS WITHOUT SAYING. YEAH.

WITH NOT SEEING AN ELEVATION IN THIS DRAFT IT FOR SURE AND WE'RE GETTING TO.

THAT'S A THAT'S A TOPIC THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE AS BEFORE WHICH IS IN ESSENCE IS A MIDDLE OF COMPONENTS FOR APPROVAL. NOT A BUNCH OF THEM BUT EVEN IF IT'S ONE ELEMENT I ASK WHO DOES THAT GIVE BEFORE AS IT RELATES TO STAFF AND WHAT DOES THAT.

WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE FOR EUGENE'S? I'M SORRY.

I JUST RESTATE THAT. SORRY. AS YOU STATED, HE'S LOOKING FOR DIRECTION IN HOW TO PROCEED FORWARD IN HIS DIRECTION. SO IF THE WINDOW WHO AT STAFF LEVEL WHO'S GOING TO APPROVE THE WINDOW DESIGN THIS MUSTACHE DESIGN WHO YOU KNOW WHO IS

GONNA HAVE THAT ARBITRATED VIEWPOINT ON IT? >> WELL WELL I WELL I WILL SAY THAT THERE'S SOME OPTIONS. I MEAN DEPENDING ON WHERE THIS DISCUSSION GOES UNDER THE DIRECTION RICHARDSON. MR. MR. LEE BRUCE AND I WERE DISCUSSING WHAT WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE INTO TO ASSIST WITH THOSE WORDS AND HOW TO FIT THIS WITHIN THE VIDEO. ULTIMATELY THE MEDIA ADMINISTRATOR I TAKE ADVICE FROM TECHNICAL STAFF WHO REVIEW THESE ALL THE TIME AS FAR AS WHAT THE DOCUMENTS ARE.

WE HAVE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES TO GET MORE INFORMATION IN THOSE CONDITIONS LIKE MR. RIBAUT ESTATE AT THE BEGINNING WHETHER IT'S WINDOW PLANS, DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS OR ELEVATIONS. SO I DON'T WANT TO I'M NOT IN THE POSITION TO MAKE THAT DECISION. SO I DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY ADVISE YOU AS TO WHICH WHEN YOU SHOULD DO BUT THERE'S OPTIONS AS FAR AS THE CONDITIONS THAT YOU CAN PUT ON THAT.

AS FAR AS STAFF HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON ULTIMATELY STAFF AND I DON'T WANT TO COME UP HERE AND SAY LIKE IT'S ME I'M IN CHARGE I CDO ADMINISTRATOR BUT TECHNICALLY THAT'S MY ROLE.

BUT I TAKE ADVICE AND INFORMATION FROM STAFF FROM YOU ALL AS A COMMISSION.

PRIMARILY IT'S YOUR DECISION, YOUR RECOMMENDATION. SO.

BUT ULTIMATELY THAT ULTIMATELY THAT'S HOW IT WORKS. BUT AGAIN, I DON'T I DON'T MAKE MY DECISIONS IN A BUBBLE OR WORK IN A BUBBLE AND MEET ALL THE TIME WITH GLENN EUROS SO MEAN YOU'RE YOU'RE A PRESERVATIONIST SO THAT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IF IT CAME DOWN TO THOSE TYPE OF DECISIONS THAT WE WOULD LOOK TO THE EXPERT. RIGHT.

RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T MEAN TO SAY IT'S IT'S ME.

IT'S ME. THESE ARE THE EXPERTS AND THIS IS THERE'S ULTIMATELY JUST HOW

IT ALL WORKS INFORMATION FOR YOU ACTUALLY MEAN TO SEE. >> YES.

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AND YOU ALL AS WELL AS COMMISSIONER ON THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.

SO WE WE ALSO HAVE THE HP WHERE YOU ALSO PROVIDE COMMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO WE HAVE WE HAVE MECHANISMS IN PLACE WHERE WE CAN GET THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. HOWEVER IT MAY BE AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE SOME OPTIONS TO INCLUDE SOME OF YOU ON THE REVIEW OF ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AS IT MOVES FORWARD. I THINK WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST.

SO THERE'S OPTIONS THROUGH HP OR SEE THAT WE BODY WHICH JUST GIVES INPUT.

ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S SAY THAT WE LET'S SAY THAT WE FIND A PATH FORWARD NEXT STEPS INEVITABLY WOULD BE THE MIDDLE PERMISSIBLE SET OF DRAWINGS.

SO THERE WILL BE A SET OF PLANS THAT HAS TO BE PROVIDED TO THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON FOR A BUILDING PERMIT. THERE WOULD ALSO NEED TO BE A DEMOLITION PERMIT APPLIED FOR THE REMOVAL OF THE JOINER PROPERTY THE REMNANT OF THE HOUSE AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW.

IF YOU GET THAT THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND FORTH WITH THE WINDOWS SO WE WOULD THINK A LOT OF THAT COULD BE CLARIFIED WITH A MORE COMPREHENSIVE SET OF PLANS SAYING WE ARE GOING TO USE THE ORIGINAL WINDOW AT THIS POSITION IN THE ELEVATIONS AND

THAT TYPE OF THING THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? >> WELL, I'M JUST BASICALLY I'M STATING WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS NOT THE SET OF DRAWINGS OF THE THAT THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN BY THERE WILL HAVE TO BE A PERMIT FILED FOR A NEW HOME ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY TO RECEIVE THE COMPONENTS OF THE JOINER HOUSE THAT ARE GONNA BE REPURPOSED AND FOR THAT

PROPERTY TO BE TAKEN DOWN. >> IN ESSENCE I WOULD ASSUME THAT A DEMOLITION PERMIT WOULD HAVE TO BE FILED FOR THAT HOME IN THE FOUNDATION AND THE WALLS AND ETC. TO BE TAKEN DOWN AFTER THE ROOF THE SIDING AND THE BRICK HAVE BEEN UTILIZED SINCE THE TWO STEP PROCESS WHICH ARE REALLY LOOKING AT BUILDING THE NEW STRUCTURE WHERE THE NEW STRUCTURE IS BEING BUILT.

REMOVING ITEMS FROM THE OLD STRUCTURE BUT THEN YOU HAVE A SHELL AND SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE TO THAT SHELL AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE A DEMOLITION FOR THE SHELL THAT'S LEFT.

YES. SO IT'S AND WHAT IS THAT CORRECT? SO I WOULD LIKE I'D LIKE TO DEFER TO THE EPA ADMINISTRATOR ON THIS BECAUSE SHE'S GOING HEATHER. HEATHER'S POSITION IS ALSO ASSISTANCE.

SHE'S ALSO AN ASSISTANT TOWN MANAGER WHOSE HEADS UP OUR MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT.

BUT ALSO BUILT AFTER. SO TO BRING YOU MANY ONCE THE CRISIS HAS TAKEN TAKING POINTS

SENT THROUGH PROCESS FOR YOU GUYS. >> OKAY.

>> SO WE'RE TALKING IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS WE HAVE SO FAR AND WHAT HOW IT'S GOING TO BE CLASSIFIED AND MORE ADDED FOR THE CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS AND THEN WE'RE GETTING IN KIND OF THE WEEDS WITH THE BUILDING PERMIT NOW TYPICALLY. AND I KNOW SOME PRESSURE STEPS AND I KNOW YOU ARE ESPECIALLY INVOLVED WITH WHEN BUILDING AND THINGS LIKE THAT WHEN IT'S A PARTIAL DEMOLITION AND THEN YOU'RE ALSO REBUILDING AND DEVELOPING IT BACK. TYPICALLY WE WOULD JUST CAPTURE THAT IN ONE BUILDING PERMIT. WE WOULDN'T ISSUE AT THE DEMOLITION PERMIT AND THEN A SUBSEQUENT REHABILITATE AND RENOVATION MISCELLANEOUS BUILDING PERMIT WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. TYPICALLY WE WOULD CAPTURE IT ALL IN ONE IF IT'S ALL HAPPENING AS PART OF THE SAME PROJECT IN THE STEPS. NOW IF WHICH THIS PROPERTY ALREADY WENT THROUGH DEMOLITION PERMIT TO DEMOLISH TO DEMOLISH SOME OF THE STRUCTURES AS WAS PROVED IN THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS THAT'S ALL THAT WAS BEING DONE.

SO THAT'S ALL I ACTUALLY THINK SOME OF THE SIZES DIDN'T EVEN QUITE REACH THE THRESHOLDS TO GET THERE. BUT IF THIS WERE IF YOU'RE JUST DEMOLISHING AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO AND DO ANYTHING BACK, IT'S A DEMOLITION PERMIT.

BUT TYPICALLY WE CAPTURE IT ALL IN ONE PERMIT. ONE BUILDING CLEARLY MAKES SENSE AS YOU'RE SITTING THERE WE'RE TALKING YOU KNOW IT'S TOO IT COULD BE BOOSTED OIL IN ONE

PERMIT COULD. >> YES. DID THEY HAVE IN THE FRONT? YEAH. YEAH. TYPICALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE THAT'S THE WHOLE PROJECT YOU KNOW. SO RATHER THAN SEGMENTED INTO INDIVIDUAL PERMITS, YOU ASK A QUESTION I WAS JUST GIVING FROM MY COUNCIL SOMETHING THAT'S

QUITE ROLLS OF MICROFILM. >> THIS IS FROM THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR NATURAL PARK SERVICE WHICH WE'VE REFERENCED BEFORE. IT'S STANDARDS FOR

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RECONSTRUCTION, RECONSTRUCTION USED TO DEPICT VARNISHED OR NON SURVIVING PORTIONS OF A

PROPERTY. >> WHEN DOCUMENTARY AND PHYSICAL EVIDENCE IS AVAILABLE TO PERMIT ACCURATE RECONSTRUCTION WITH MINIMAL CONJECTURE AND SUCH RECONSTRUCTION IS ESSENTIAL TO THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDING, RECONSTRUCTION AND RECONSTRUCTION INCLUDE MEASURES TO PRESERVE ANY REMAINING HISTORIC MATERIALS.

RECONSTRUCTION WILL BE BASED ON THE ACCURATE DUPLICATION OF HISTORIC FEATURES AND ELEMENTS SUBSTANTIATED BY DOCUMENTARY OR PHYSICAL EVIDENCE IT OF RECONSTRUCTION PROPERTY WILL RECREATE THE APPEARANCE OF NON SURVIVING STORE PROPERTY AND MATERIALS DESIGN COLOR AND TEXTURE RECONSTRUCTION WHICH CLEARLY WILL BE CLEARLY IDENTIFIED AS A CONTEMPORARY RECONSTRUCTION. THAT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING.

THIS IS IN MY WORDS SO THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR LET THE DEFINE PRESERVATION, REHABILITATION, RESTORATION AND RECONSTRUCTION. SO LET'S ALONE.

YES. SO RECONSTRUCT I'M JUST SAYING THIS IS THE WILL THERE.

THAT SOUNDS PRETTY CLOSE TO WHAT WE'RE SAYING MUCH MORE THAN REHABILITATION.

>> YOUR APPLICATION IS FOR RENOVATION REHABILITATE. BUT I'M NOT SURE OR ANYTHING.

RIGHT. SO SO YOU'RE SAYING SO. SO WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS RECONSTRUCTION? YEAH.

I MEAN SO WE'RE AGREEING WITH THAT. RIGHT.

YES. THAT'S NOT ENOUGH. AND I THINK WHERE YOU'RE CONFUSED IT'S THE WORDING. WELL, NO, THIS IS ACCURATE. NO, IT'S THE WORDING ON OUR APPLICATION THAT WE HAVE REHABILITATION INSTEAD OF RECONSTRUCT.

AND IF WE CAN FOLLOW THESE PARAMETERS FOR RECONSTRUCTION, WE JUST NEED TO CHANGE THE WORDING ON OUR APPLICATION TO SAY RECONSTRUCTION AND NOT REHABILITATION.

IS THAT CORRECT? CLEARS REHABILITATION. GO AWAY.

YEAH. SO WHAT IS A PARTISAN OR DO WE HAVE TO START FROM SCRATCH AND RE SUBMIT? OR CAN WE JUST CHANGE THE WORDING? I HOPE I CAN HOPE I DON'T CONFUSE THINGS MORE BUT HELP HELP GET US TO WHERE WE WANT TO BE BECAUSE IT DOES SOUND LIKE WE'RE LARGELY IN A CONSENSUS AS TO THE AS OF THE PROJECT IS TO

THE THREE. >> THANK YOU. OKATIE THAT'S COME FROM THE SORRY. THE I THINK PART OF THE ISSUE WITH THE USE OF THE WORD REHABILITATION IS CONSTRUCTION HAS TO DO PARTIALLY WITH THE UDA AND COMPARISON TO THE

FEDERAL REGULATIONS. >> THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOZENS IF NOT HUNDREDS OF PAGES OF REGULATIONS FROM HERE. THE STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION HERE, THE STANDARD FOR RECONSTRUCTION HERE, THOSE STANDARDS FOR PRESERVATION.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOWN YOU GO AND TAKE THEM THREE POINT EIGHTEEN THREE POINT EIGHTEEN POINT THREE. WE DISCUSS THE GUIDELINES FOR REHABILITATING HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND IT'S PARTIALLY IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WHEN DRAFTING THIS VIDEO IS TO MAKE IT UNDERSTANDABLE FOR ANYBODY WHO IS COMING IN AND APPLYING TO BUILD WITHIN THE TOWN.

WE DON'T IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY SERVE OUR PURPOSES TO HAVE. OKAY.

WELL IF YOU'RE GOING TO READ IT IF YOU NEED TO A RECONSTRUCTION WE'RE GOING TO ALL OF THESE STANDARDS ARE GONNA DO. PRESERVATION IS GONNA BE THESE STANDARDS BECAUSE THE THE WORK THAT WILL FALL ON STAFF TO GO THROUGH ALL THESE DIFFERENT STANDARDS AND ALL THE DIFFERENT STAFF REPORTS NOT TO MENTION THE COMPLEXITY JUST PUTTING THROUGH THESE APPLICATIONS.

SO WE WORKED REALLY WELL WITH THE MOST COMMON REHABILITATION BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE MORE OFTEN THAN NOT IN BOSTON. SO THIS ONE IS A LITTLE BIT NEW AND I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, COMMISSIONER SIMPSON, WHAT HAS BEEN DESCRIBED IS A RECONSTRUCTION WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR HIS HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

RECONSTRUCTION IS A YOU KNOW, THERE IS A OLOGY ACKNOWLEDGED BENEFIT AND IT'S A IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN'T BE DONE. UNDERSTANDABLY THE CONFUSION THAT STEMMED FROM SAYING WE'RE GOING TO REHABILITATE AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS MOVE AND WE'VE ALSO HEARD REPLICATE.

WE'VE HEARD RECONSTRUCT. THERE'S ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT TERMINOLOGY THAT WE'VE HEARD DEMOLISH, DEMOLISH. I THINK WE CAN. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT A DEMOLITION IS NOT GOING TO OCCUR BECAUSE YOU KNOW, A DEMOLITION IS A COMPLETELY SEPARATE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW. SO I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF JETTISON THAT ROOM. AND SO WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING REALLY IS YOU KNOW, IS THIS A RECONSTRUCTION? AND DANIEL GRANT A GO FOR A RECONSTRUCTION EVEN THOUGH THE STANDARDS ARE SET FORTH FOR REHABILITATION OR YOU KNOW, I KNOW FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT I AGAIN THE WAY THAT ZONING ORDINANCES ARE WRITTEN MEAN THEY ARE THEY ARE LAW BUT THEY ARE ALSO THEY HAVE INJECTED IN TO THEM CERTAIN DEGREES OF SUBJECTIVITY AND COMMON SENSE EVEN HISTORIC STANDARDS FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WHO OFTEN DOES NOT INJECT COMMON

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SENSE OR SUBJECTIVITY INTO REGULATIONS HAVE DONE SO WITH THE ECONOMIC FEASIBILITY LANGUAGE IN REASONABLENESS IN LISTENING TO THE COMMENTS AGAIN HERE TONIGHT, WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE COULD DO AS A PROCESS IS MAKING SURE THAT THERE ARE SOME SPECIFIC APP SPECIFIC PARTS OF THIS APPLICATION THAT GO BACK TO A

THOROUGH REVIEW BY STAFF AND POTENTIALLY KPRC. >> AND OBVIOUSLY THE WINDOWS AND THE DOORS ARE AN ISSUE FOR A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT COMMISSIONERS MAKING SURE THAT THOSE STAY CONSISTENT. IF THIS WAS NEW CONSTRUCTION, OBVIOUSLY THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO BRING IN OLD WINDOWS AND OLD DOORS. THEY WERE SOUGHT FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE. WE HAVE ALTERNATIVES UNDER THE STUDIO.

YOU'LL HAVE ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS THAT YOU'VE ALLOWED OTHER YOU KNOW WITH OTHER NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR KNOW COST EFFECTIVENESS. SO THAT KIND OF SUBJECTIVITY HAS BEEN ALLOWED AND HAS BEEN DELEGATED TO STAFF BEFORE TO MAKE SURE THE DETERMINATION AS TO MATERIAL IF I RECALL CORRECTLY THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO STAFF.

SO I CERTAINLY THINK AS WELL WITHIN THEIR CAPABILITIES WITH WITH GLENN AND KATIE.

HEATHER AND KEVIN AND THEIR ENTIRE TEAM THERE, THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE TO COME BEFORE YOU EVERY SINGLE MONTH. SO THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY TRY TO MEET WHAT YOU ALL MEET WHAT YOU ALL ARE TELLING THEM RIGHT NOW AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET FULL FULL FULL DRAWINGS DONE AS PART OF THE BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION.

SO THOSE THOSE WILL BE THOSE WILL GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OTHER THAN THE DOORS IN THE WINDOWS YOU HAVE THE ROOFING MATERIALS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED AND THE APPLICANT HAS KIND OF EXPLAINED HOW THEY ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL CONCERN AS THEIR PROCESS THAT YOU ALL WANT TO? I MEAN OBVIOUSLY I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE STAFF WITH WITH WHAT THEIR PLANNED REPLACEMENT IS IF THAT ROOFING MATERIAL IS NOT SUFFICIENT. BUT IS THERE ANY SORT OF ADVICE OR GUIDANCE YOU CAN GIVE STAFF OR IF YOU THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEED IS SUCH A BIG ISSUE THAT NEEDS COME TO ALL LET ME KNOW FROM THE PEERS AND CAN I GO BACK TO APPEARS IN THE FOUNDATION ME ALL THOSE THINGS THAT THE DOORS AND WINDOWS, THE ROOF THE I MEAN THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE ELEVATION HERE. WE USUALLY HAVE THE ELEVATION WITH THE WINDOW SCHEDULE AND I MEAN IT'S IN THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE BECAUSE I DON'T COME TO ALL OF YOUR MEETINGS BUT I HAVE THEM TOO MANY OF THEM AND YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY THE APPLICATION PACKAGE IS SUBSTANTIAL INCLUDES THE ELEVATIONS, INCLUDES VERY DETAILED INFORMATION. AND THIS IS AGAIN THAT UNIQUE CASE WHERE WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO BUILD? BUT THERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT.

WE'RE GOING TO MOVE IT. WE'RE JUST GONNA BUILD IT RIGHT HERE.

WE'RE GOING TO USE AS MANY OF THE MATERIALS AS WE CAN AND HOPE THAT THAT'S YOUR YOU'RE NOT GOING TO STEP OUTSIDE THAT NOW. ABSOLUTELY.

SO IN THINKING THROUGH THIS AND HOW WE CAN HELP GUIDE THIS APPLICANT BECAUSE AGAIN IT DOES SOUND LIKE THE CONSENSUS ABOUT THE PROJECT AND THE YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IS THERE THE THE PEER DESIGN AS MENTIONED BY COMMISSIONER SIMPSON AS RIBAUT SPELL THE FOUNDATION IS IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT FEELS COMFORTABLE SPEAKING ON ABOUT WHAT SORT OF ASSURANCES CAN BE PROVIDED? WELL, LET ME JUST I JUST WANT TO PUT IT ADDRESSING THAT EXACTLY BECAUSE IN THE COMMENTS WHEN WE HAD OUR PRE-IPO PATIENT COMMENTS FROM STAFF WAS HISTORIC MATERIALS SHOULD BE REPAIRED AND NOT REPLACE STEPS TO BE REPLACED USING THE SAME HISTORIC BURKE FOUNDATION USE OF HISTORIC FOUNDATION MATERIALS ALREADY ON SITE IS PREFERABLE FOR USE AS NEW FOUNDATION.

IT'S PREFERABLE THAT IN THE MATERIAL THAT YOU DO HAVE ON SITE YOU'RE GOING TO UTILIZE IT. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF THAT MATERIAL YOU'RE GOING TO FIND LIKE KIND. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PUT A BRAND NEW RED BRICK THERE THAT.

YEAH. I MEAN YES. GOOD NEWS IS NOTHING IN THIS HOUSE IS WAS CUSTOM. SO WE CAN FIND MOST OF THE MATERIAL SO.

SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT ON WINDOWS. I RESPECT THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. SO I WOULD I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE AGREEMENT THAT WE'LL GO BACK WE'LL TRY AND USE WHAT'S THERE IF IN FACT WE CAN'T ECONOMICALLY AS IT RELATES TO THE STANDARDS USE IT WE WILL USE AN EQUIVALENT PERIOD WINDOW THAT THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE KNOW THE DOORS. I THINK WE CAN KEEP THEM. THEY'RE REALLY JUST YES.

I THINK THE DOORS WE CAN KEEP AN EYE ON ABOUT THE FRONT DOOR BUT I UNDERSTAND THE DOORS AND

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THOSE DOORS YOU GET THOSE ARE DOORS YOU CAN PICK UP THAT HOME DEPOT.

THEY'RE JUST WOOD MAHOGANY DOORS ANYWAY. BUT WE'LL TRY AND KEEP THOSE DOORS THE METAL PILLARS THAT JUST REFERENCE ON THE SIDE. OUR PLAN WAS TO KEEP THOSE VIEWS TO ME THOSE ARE ACTUALLY SCREAM 1960S ORIGINAL PIERS. WE'LL GIVE YOU SECTIONS OF THE PIERS AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THOSE LOOK LIKE THEY DO NOW.

SO I UNDERSTAND RESPECT THAT THE ROOF. YEAH.

THE ORIGINAL PART OF THE HOUSE WE'RE GOING TO AS I SAID WITH THE ROOF WE'RE GOING TO USE THE MATERIAL AND IF THERE IS A BAD PANEL WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OUR EXISTING PANEL UP AND IF WE HAVE NEW STUFF IT'S GOING TO BE TOWARDS THE BACK SO THAT I THINK WE AGREE ON THE STRATEGY.

WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THE LIGHTS ON THE OUTSIDE. THEY'RE JUST JELLY AS I REMEMBER THOSE LIGHTS WE CAN REPLICATE OR WE CAN USE TO THREE POSSIBLE DRAWINGS.

>> I'LL DEFER TO WHAT THE WHAT THE RELEVANT DRAWINGS ARE LOOKING FOR.

I'LL DEFER TO PETER SCOTT ON WHAT WHAT YOU WANT THERE AND I THINK THOSE THINGS ARE NOT WHAT I EXPECTED BUT NOT UNREASONABLE SAID COVER YOUR LIST. SMARTEN UP SO MUCH.

>> I THINK THAT THAT TAKES CARE OF THE MAJORITY OF HOUSE BUT WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER ISSUES THAT I DON'T THINK HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED BUT WE'RE PART STAFF CONDITIONS THAT HAD TO DO WITH SPECIFIC JUDEO STANDARDS AND THEN IF I MIGHT REFER TO OKATIE ON THOSE EXCUSE ME MISS PETERSON ALLOW HER TO COME UP HERE AND WHILE I TRIED TO WORK ON A MOTION THAT ENCAPSULATES WHAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED AND THEN AGAIN DISCUSS THAT WITH YOU I'LL MAKE SURE Y'ALL ARE ALL ON

BOARD AND THEN LOSE THROUGH SO OKAY. >> COMMISSIONERS THE ITEMS THAT

[IX.2. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by Pearce Scott Architects, on behalf of the owner, Eugene Marks, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness to allow the renovation of the 1,248 SF Contributing Resource, known as the Joiner House and to relocate the structure towards the eastern property line of the same parcel identified as 9 Bruin Road in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood Core-HD. (COFA-03-22-016484)(Staff-Katie Peterson)]

WERE A PART OF THE STANDARDS BEYOND SECTION 318 THREE A. SO IT WOULD BE WHERE SECTION 5 FIFTEEN FIVE F FIVE SO A DETERMINATION ON THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE PLACEMENT WHICH IS NOT PARALLEL TO THE STREET WHICH IT FACES BUT DOES MEET THE IT IS IT MATCHES THE EXISTING ANGLE OF THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND IS PART OF THE CHARACTER

OF THAT STRUCTURE ON THE SITE. >> SO STAFF FINDS THAT THIS IS APPROPRIATE AND I DID MENTION IN THE PREVIOUS SECTION OF THE REPORT. SO AS IT IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE WHICH IS NOT CURRENTLY PARALLEL TO THE THREE WHICH IT BASES, TOWN STAFF FINDS THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE TO MOVE THE STRUCTURE AT THE ANGLE IT IS CURRENTLY SITED TO RETAIN ITS SETTING. ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT THAT HELPS STRUCTURES GAME BEGINS IS THEIR SETTING ON THE SITE. SO IT'S NOT JUST THE MATERIALS ON HOW THEY INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER BUT HOW THE WHOLE STRUCTURE INTERACTS WITH THE SITE.

SO STAFF FINDS THAT THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE PLACEMENT OF IT BUT BECAUSE IT IS A STANDARD IN THE UNIFIED COMMON AUDIENCE WE DO NEED YOURS FINAL DETERMINATION ON THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THAT

. >> THEY'RE NOT MOVING THE STRUCTURE.

THEY ARE PLACING THEIR THE NEW RECONSTRUCTION OR THE NEW THEY'RE PLACING THIS STRUCTURE

ON A NEW FRAME. >> THEY'RE I'M JUST. SO ONE WOULD THAT READ THE NEW THE RECONSTRUCTION SEEMS THAT THEN IF SOMEONE'S GONNA MAKE THE MOTION YOU FLIP BACK THEN YOU CAN'T USE THE TERM YOU USE . WE HAVE TO USE DIFFERENT TERMINOLOGY. SO THE STANDARD IS FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE PLACED ON A SITE AND BEING MOVED ON THIS SITE A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE BEING MOVED TO A NEW LOCATION WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AT THE SAME ANGLE AS IT CURRENTLY IS SITED ON THE SITE.

>> SO IN OTHER WORDS WE'RE JUST TAKING IT, YOU KNOW. SO WE NEED TO REPLICATE I THINK

THE I THINK THE STANDARD REALLY DEALS WITH THE PLACEMENT. >> OBVIOUSLY THE PLACEMENT OF THE STRUCTURE AND THE CONSTRUCTION YOU WOULD REVIEW THAT APPROPRIATELY.

BUT BECAUSE THIS IS A RECONSTRUCTION, WHETHER THAT RECONSTRUCTION IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS STAFF SAID IT'S THEIR OPINION I BELIEVE I HEARD THIS CORRECTLY. STEP IN THEIR OPINION THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE BUT IT HAS TO BE A SPECIFIC FINDING BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF THOSE POWERS ONE OF THOSE AUTHORITIES THAT'S DELEGATED TODAY HPC UNDER THE IDEA. SO THIS ACTUALLY LAST WEEK'S REMOTE. YES, SIR. THE NEXT ITEM IS FROM SECTION 515 SIX OF THE AUDIO IS THAT TO ENSURE THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS HAVE BEEN MET FOR MATERIALS, DIMENSIONS, CONFIGURATIONS, PLANS FOR ALL AREAS OF THE STRUCTURE WHICH

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WILL BE DISMANTLED AND REBUILT ,RECONSTRUCTED, WHICHEVER TERM YOU LIKE TO USE OR ANYTHING IT IS GOING TO BE NEW CONSTRUCTIONS OR THINGS THAT ARE JUST DETERIORATED BEYOND REPAIR AND NEED TO BE REBUILT. PLANS FOR THOSE WILL NEED TO BE PROVIDED TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO MEET THE DESIGN CRITERIA FOUND IN SECTION 5 15 5 OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE ALSO ONE IN THE PLANS THAT THEY'RE GETTING FURTHER BUILDING I WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO BE PROVIDED BEFORE THEY SUPPORT MITT FOR A BUILDING PERMIT BECAUSE IF THERE ARE CHALLENGES WITH THOSE PLANS BY THE TIME THEY SUBMIT FOR BUILDING PERMIT ALL OF THE ENGINEERING FOR THAT PLAN WILL HAVE BEEN DONE AND SUBMITTED WITH AND IT COULD PROVE TO BE VERY COST PROHIBITIVE TO HAVE TO REENGINEER PLANS IF THEY ARE NOT MEETING THE INTENT OF THE

HPC APPROVAL. >> SHOULD YOU MAKE ONE? AND THEN THE LAST ITEM IS THAT PER SECTION 515 6 I ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IS REQUIRED REGARDING THE REAR ELEVATION SPECIFICALLY WHERE THE PROPOSED WINDOW IS GOING TO BE WHERE THERE IS CURRENTLY A DOOR THIS WOULD BE COVERED IN THOSE THOSE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOR AREAS THAT WOULD BE REBUILT IF THAT IS HOW THIS IS IS GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WILL BE ON THE PLANT IT IN HOPEFULLY THAT'S