10. THIRD READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO MAKE APPROPRIATIONS FOR COUNTY GOVERNMENT, SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICTS FOR BEAUFORT COUNTY FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING JULY 1, 2022, AND ENDING JUNE 30, 2023

[10. THIRD READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO MAKE APPROPRIATIONS FOR COUNTY GOVERNMENT, SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICTS FOR BEAUFORT COUNTY FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING JULY 1, 2022, AND ENDING JUNE 30, 2023]

NUMBER 10 WHICH IS THE THIRD READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO MAKE APPROPRIATIONS FOR COUNTY GOVERNMENT SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICTS WHERE BEAUFORT COUNTY FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING JULY 1ST 2022 AND ENDING JUNE 30TH 2023. THIS IS OUR COUNTY BUDGET.

SO I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE COUNTY BUDGET FOR TWENTY TO MAKE THE MOTION THAT THE SECOND SECONDED. FIRST WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR.

DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? >> WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS. I WILL SAY ODD NAUSEAM COLISEUM OF TEDIOUS. WE JUST TALKED ABOUT A LOT. RIGHT.

YOUR COMMENT. STAY WITH US. OH, I'M SORRY.

I KNOW YOU AND I YEAR AFTER YEAR HERE. I KNOW I HAVE A FINALIZED ONE WAY AND SECOND READING WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT A CERTAIN DOLLAR SUM.

>> I FORGET WHAT IT WAS RELATIVE TO THE SOLICITOR'S OFFICE WHERE WE PROVIDE FUNDS TO HELP PROSECUTE DUI CASES AND DUI CASES THAT WERE THE FIRST TIME THEY GO TO THE MAGISTRATES COURT AND BEYOND THAT THEY GO THROUGH A REGULAR COURT SAYS THERE'S A SECOND AND I THINK WE SAID WE WOULD COME BACK AND REVISIT THAT AS TO WHETHER WE WANT TO HAVE OR NOT HAVE HAD A BRIEF CONVERSATION WITH THE SOLICITOR ABOUT AND THE BACKGROUND KIND OF GOES LIKE

THIS. >> THE REASON FOR IT IS THAT IF THERE'S NOT AN ATTORNEY WITH THE SHOW, WITH THE ARRESTING OFFICER, SOMETIMES YOU GET INTO COMPLEX STATUTES.

AND SO A LAWYER CAN OUT MATCH THE SHERIFF'S DEPUTY WHO DOESN'T HAVE EXPERIENCE IN THAT LEVEL AND CERT. AND WHEN YOU HAVE CERTAINTY OF AN OUTCOME THAT TENDS TO DRIVE, PLEASE SOMETIMES. NOW SO I SAID WELL WHAT'S THE CONVICTION RATE?

>> AND HE SAID PRIOR TO US DOING THIS CONVICTION RATE WAS ABOUT ONE IN THREE AND TODAY THE CONVICTION RATE IS TWO AND THREE. SO THE CONVICTION RATE HAD BASICALLY DOUBLED. SO I SAID WELL HOW DO YOU RUN THE THE THE ATTORNEYS? AND HE SAID RELATIVE TO SCHEDULE THE THE DOCKET IS CONTROLLED BY THE MAGISTRATE.

SO SOLICITOR'S OFFICE DOESN'T CONTROL WHEN THOSE PARTICULAR ITEMS COME THROUGH.

AND THE WAY THEY MANAGE IT WHICH SEEMS TO BE WHAT THEY DO IN OTHER PLACES IN THE COUNTRY IS INSTEAD OF HAVING DEDICATED ATTORNEYS THAT PROSECUTE JUST THESE CASES, THEY USE IT AS FILL IN. SO IF YOU HAVE X NUMBER OF ATTORNEYS THEY MAY BE SPENDING 5 PERCENT, 10 PERCENT, 15 PERCENT OF THEIR TIME GOING TO MAGISTRATES COURT TO HANDLE THESE ITEMS. NOW SOLICITORS SAID, YOU KNOW, HE WAS KIND OF HAPPY IF SOMEBODY IF WE WANTED HIM TO DO IT HE WAS THERE. THEY WERE KIND OF HAPPY IF WE WANTED TO HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE LIKE THAT HAVE AN ATTORNEY AT THE SHERIFF'S TO DO IT.

AND SO HE WAS HE WAS INDIFFERENT ON THAT. I DO TEND TO THINK IF I WAS AN ATTORNEY I WOULD RATHER BE DOING THIS ON A OCCASIONALLY AS OPPOSED TO BEING FULL TIME GOING TO MAGISTRATES COURT TO DEAL WITH. DO YOU GUYS BUT IN ANY EVENT WE'RE THE ONES THAT ASKED THEM TO DO THIS. SO THE REAL QUESTION IS SHOULD WE CONTINUE IT? AND I THINK WE JUST HEARD FROM THE YOUNG YOUNG LADY THAT WAS HERE THAT WAS HURT IN A DUI. SO IT DOES SEEM TO ME WANT TO WE WANT TO CONTINUE AND ASSESS THE SOLICITORS AND DOESN'T CARE. IT SEEMS TO ME WE OUGHT TO TAKE THE MONEY AND EITHER GIVE IT TO THE SHERIFF AND LET HIM DO IT IF HE WANTS TO OR LET THE SOURCE OR DO IT. BUT EITHER WAY I THINK WE'D BE SHORT SIGHTED IF WE DISCONTINUED THE PROGRAM OR YOU MAKE AN EMOTION. WELL, WE HAVE DISCRETION WHEN

WE WANT TO GO, I GUESS. >> AND THEN I GUESS THE QUESTION IS ANYBODY DISAGREE THAT WE SHOULDN'T DO IT? AND THEN BEYOND THAT I DON'T REALLY CARE WHETHER SOLICITOR DOES IT. SHERIFF DOES IT AFTER COMMENTS OR DUI BACKLOG IS AROUND THREE HUNDRED AND THIRTY CASES, THE OLDEST ONES GOING BACK TO 20 OR 19 WHICH IS UNACCEPTABLE.

>> WE FIND THAT A PILOT PROGRAM WITH THE SOLICITOR'S OFFICE THAT RESULTED IN THESE 330 CASES OF PEOPLE CHARGED WITH DUI WHO HAVE NEVER BEEN ADJUDICATED THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS INDICATED THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE ON THESE CASES AND HE HAS HIRED A STAFF ATTORNEY TO ASSIST THE DEPUTIES IN MAGISTRATES COURT TO PROSECUTE THESE CASES.

THE PERSON HE HAS HIRED USED TO WORK AT THE SOLICITOR'S OFFICE AND HE NOW HAS THE OPPORTUNITY

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WITH THE SUPPORT OF HIS SUPERIORS TO PROSECUTE THESE CASES AND MAGISTRATES COURT FULL TIME. THEY WISH TO HIRE OTHER PEOPLE TO ASSIST HIM IN THAT CAUSE WHICH HOPEFULLY WILL REDUCE THE NUMBER OF BACKLOGS AND PEOPLE WHO ARE CHARGED WITH DUI WILL BE BROUGHT INTO COURT TO FACE THOSE CHARGES. WE HAVE ALREADY REDUCED AS I UNDERSTAND THE BUDGET BY THE AMOUNT OF 180 SEVEN THOUSAND DOLLARS AND THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE VOTING ON TONIGHT AND I THINK THAT WE CAN REDIRECT THOSE FUNDS IF WE IF WE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THE PILOT PROGRAM HAS BEEN A FAILURE AND PERHAPS IT'S TIME TO RECONSIDER HOW WE ADDRESS THIS ISSUE WITH AN YARDSTICK SUPPORTER OF PROSECUTIONS ASSISTED BY AN ATTORNEY WHERE THEY ARE CONDUCTED IN THE OTHER 41 COUNTIES WITHIN THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA OR JUST WAIT FOR THE BACKLOG TO CONTINUE TO BUILD UP.

SO MY VOTE WOULD BE TO APPROVE THE BUDGET WITH THE REDUCTION AND REDIRECT THOSE FUNDS TO SOMEONE WHO WILL PROSECUTE THESE CASES IN A TIMELY FASHION AND THAT CAN BE DONE AFTER WE APPROVE THE BUDGET. YES, IT CAN BE AND COME BACK FOR A SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION AND WE CAN DECIDE HOW MUCH MONEY THEY WILL NEED TO HIRE ONE OR TWO MORE ATTORNEYS HELP TO ASSIST THE ONE WHO HAS ALREADY BEEN HIRED BY THE SHERIFF TO DO JUST THIS

THING. >> RIGHT. I'LL JUST LET EVERYBODY KNOW.

>> YES. YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE SHERIFF ALREADY HAS THIS IN HIS BUDGET BECAUSE HE HAS GIVEN US HIS BUDGET. SO THAT MEANS THAT HE'S REALLY HIRED SOMEBODY. SO IT HAS THAT HE HAS THAT IN HIS BUDGET.

OK. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. ANY MONEY WE DIRECT IN A SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION WOULD BE FOR FURTHER HELP WITH THE PROGRAM AND BOTH THE MAGISTRATES COURT HERE IN BEAUFORT AND THE MAGISTRATES COURT IN BLUFFTON, THE SHERIFF

ADDITIONAL FUNDS HE'LL ASK FOR . >> THAT'S RIGHT.

OK, I GUESS IS THERE ANY REASON WHY WE WOULDN'T REDIRECT THAT MONEY TO THE SHERIFF NOW IF

THAT'S THE LOGICAL CAUSE? >> BECAUSE HE HAS HIS BUDGET HAS ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED AND FOR HIM TO GET THE ADDITIONAL MONEY THAT IS NOW AVAILABLE, I BELIEVE HE WOULD

HAVE TO COME BACK WITH A SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION. >> IS THAT CORRECT?

>> OK. ANYBODY ELSE? >> SO IS IT IS THERE ANY YES.

I DON'T I TAKE IT. I AGREE UNREPRESENTED WITH IT, T.J. OUT OF IT.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. >> YOU'RE JUST. JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS FOR THE ADMINISTRATION. THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE I KNOW WE NEED YEAR APPROPRIATED FUNDS. AND I SEE ONLY THE ENDING FOR THIS YEAR.

SO IS THE APPROPRIATION THAT WE DID EARLY ON THIS YEAR INCLUDED IN THE 15 MILLION THAT'S IN THE . BUT AT THIS TIME I JUST WANT MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE IS FULLY FUNDED FOR ALL THAT THEY WANTED TO DO. AND YOU DIDN'T GIVE ME A 2022 NUMBER BUT DID YOU IN 2023? NO. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S IN. YES, SIR. BEAUFORT COUNTY DID INCREASE THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S CONTRIBUTION. IT'S COMING FROM OUR COUNTY AS

OUR OFFICE RECEIVES FUNDING FROM A CIRCUIT OF COUNTIES. >> THERE ARE FIVE ALTOGETHER.

WE DID INCREASE OUR FUNDING. HOWEVER HER FUND AS IT CURRENTLY SITS.

>> THE EXPENDITURES FOR FISCAL 2003 ARE NOT FULLY COVERED BUT THAT IS NOT BECAUSE

OF BEAUFORT. >> THAT IS BECAUSE THE OTHER COUNTIES THAT ARE PARTICIPANTS IN THAT DISTRICT AND FOR WHOM SHE SERVES HAVE NOT CORRESPONDINGLY INCREASED THEIR

BUDGETS FOR THEIR PERSONNEL. >> THE INCREASE THAT WAS GIVEN TO EMPLOYEES FOR EVERY COUNTY AS YOU REQUESTED. COVERED HER EMPLOYEES THAT WORKED FOR BEFORE COUNTY ARE MORE THAN COVERED BY OUR CONTRIBUTION SPECIFICALLY OUR EMPLOYEES ACCOUNT FOR 67 PERCENT OF HER TOTAL PERSONNEL BUDGET YET BEAUFORT CONTRIBUTIONS WHEN COMPARED TO THE OTHER COUNTIES THAT PARTICIPATE IN FUNDING HER PROGRAM PAYS FOR SEVENTY EIGHT

PERCENT. >> SO IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT BRASS TACKS WE ARE CONTRIBUTING APPROXIMATELY ELEVEN PERCENT MORE THAN WHAT IS OUR FAIR SHARE BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS YOU TALKED ABOUT WAS THE INCREASE FOR HER BOYS ATTORNEYS AND SHE INCREASED THAT SO THAT SHE CAN BE COMPETITIVE AS WE MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE FULLY COVERED THAT'S ALL OUR PERSONNEL COST CUTTING TO GET INTO OUR EFFORT VERSUS ANYBODY ELSE.

>> OTHER COUNTIES. I JUST WANT MAKE SURE THAT THE INCREASE THAT SHE MADE SHE

REQUESTED IS ALL TAKEN CARE OF . >> YES, SIR.

MISS MISS. WE IN THE BUDGET ITSELF THERE IS A LOT OF INCREASE FOR PALS.

CAN YOU SPEAK ON THAT? AND THE REASON I'M ASKING TO SPEAK ON BECAUSE I WANT TO KNOW

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EXACTLY WHAT THE INCREASE IS IN CAPITAL PROJECTS A LOT IN SALARY.

IS THIS NOTICEABLE WITH ANTICIPATION OR IS THIS WHAT COULD EMPLOYEES OVER THE ANTICIPATION THAT WHEN THE STUDY COMES BACK WE'RE GOING TO NEED MORE?

SO A COUPLE OF THINGS ARE GOING ON WITH REGARD TO THAT. >> MOST OF THE INCREASE THAT YOU SEE FOR IS IN THE CURRENT BUDGET IS BECAUSE WE'VE HAD TO HIRE ADDITIONAL STAFF IN RESPONSE TO US BEING SUCCESSFUL IN OUR BID WITH THE LOW COUNTRY COUNCIL GOVERNMENTS TO TAKE

OVER THE SENIOR PROGRAM THAT'S INHERITED. >> YES, SIR.

THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S THAT'S IN THE POWELLS BUDGET IN ADDITION TO THAT AS YOU ARE MORE THAN AWARE. MANY OF YOU GET CONSTANTLY BATTERED AS DO ABOUT THE CONDITION OF PARKS AND REC FACILITIES. WE HAVE PROGRAMS SOME MONEY FOR CONTINUED IMPROVEMENTS IN TO THE POWELLS BUDGET TO HELP WITH SOME OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NECESSARY THAT WHEN THE STUDY COMES BACK I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE FINE FOR THE BUDGET YEAR BASED ON THE STUDY WITH REGARDS TO IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE TO PROGRAM THOSE THINGS AS A PART OF NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET IN ORDER TO PUT IN THE FUNDING NECESSARY TO IMPLEMENT

THAT PLAN. >> THAT PLAN WILL NOT BE TO US UNTIL SOMETIMES AND IN DECEMBER . AS I UNDERSTAND IT AND SO WE WILL WE WILL EITHER DECIDE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S A BURNING ISSUE THAT WE NEED TO FUND AFTER JANUARY 1 OR IF IT CAN WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE TO BE APPROVED AND APPLY 24 THINGS THAT I MENTIONED EARLY ON ABOUT THE SENIORS PROGRAM THAT IT WOULD BE POSITIVE ABOUT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS AND I SEE WHERE ONE COMING IN IS ABOUT 200 IN LESS THAN A THOUSAND I'M ASSUMING

THAT'S FUNDING FROM THE STATE ANSWER AFTER. >> SO THANKS FOR THE QUESTION REPLIED. WE DON'T APPLY. WE SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION FOR AN RFP THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT IT'S GOING TO COST THE COUNTY TO RUN THE PROGRAM IS RIGHT

AROUND SEVEN HUNDRED FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS. >> THERE WAS A MAX THAT EL COG COULD INCREASE THE FUNDING BECAUSE OF HOW STATE LAW IS WRITTEN AND THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET IS ABOUT FIVE HUNDRED TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS.

SO THERE IS A DELTA PART OF THAT DELTA WAS ONE OF THE ITEMS ON YOUR AGENDA IS ADDING A SIXTH LOCATION AT THE LIBRARY BROWN CENTER WHICH IS ABOUT EIGHTEEN THOUSAND PLUS ADDITIONAL STAFF. SO WHEN YOU ADD ALL THAT THAT'S ABOUT SEVENTY FIVE THOUSAND

DOLLARS OF THAT DELTA THAT THAT HELP. >> NO, NO.

SURE. SO TO MEDIATE SOMETHING PRODUCES 25.

COME OVER HERE. LOOK. ALL RIGHT.

AND THAT'S THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S SPLIT UP IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.

RIGHT. YOU HAVE STAFFING. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF THE FOLKS WHO ARE GOING TO WORK IN THAT ARE CONSIDERED TEMPORARY EMPLOYEES I.E. BUS DRIVERS OR TEMPORARY PART TIME SO THAT THOSE NUMBERS COME OUT OF THE TEMPORARY LINE ITEM, NOT THE

STAFF. >> SO WHEN YOU'RE A FULL TIME STAFF THAT RECEIVE BENEFITS.

SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING THROUGH IT, IT'S NOT ALL IN ONE LOCATION IN THE BUDGET.

SO LOVELY POWERS INCREASES REALLY TOWARD C USE AND NOT NECESSARILY FOR THE PROGRAM OVERALL. BUT THAT NEVER COME WITH THE STUDY AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

THE STUDY WILL, BOBBIE, DICTATE THAT WE MAY NEED TO BE DOING IT A LITTLE BIT MORE.

>> SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ALLOCATIONS. I'LL GIVE YOU THE BIGWIGS.

YES. ALL RIGHT. MILLION DOLLAR PURPLE THAT'S FOR THREE LOCATIONS. FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS PER POOL TO UPDATE THE MECHANICAL STUFF THAT'S BROKEN. WE ALL KNOW THE CONDITION OF THE POOLS THAT TAKES CARE OF THOSE THREE. SOME OF THAT I THINK WAS PAID OUT OF THE BUT NOT THE FUND

BALANCE. >> BUT THE SURPLUS THERE'S THE WORD.

>> IN ADDITION THERE IS SEVEN HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR REPAIRING BROKEN ITEMS AS IN

WHITE AMOUNTS THINGS OF THAT NATURE. >> THERE'S ADDITIONAL MONEY FOR DRAINAGE AND OTHER REPAIRS ON FIELDS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. AND I'M I DON'T HAVE THE SPREADSHEETS IN FRONT OF ME SO I'M JUST GOING THROUGH THEM. AND THE OTHER BIG TICKET ITEM WAS HAD A COUPLE OF VEHICLES AND THEN SOME ADDITIONAL STAFF OR PROGRAMING.

>> SO THERE'S A LOT IN THAT BUDGET. >> IT'S A REALLY BIG BUDGET.

BUT EACH OF THOSE HAS A HAS A PLACE. >> WILL THERE BE ADDITIONAL

NEEDS AFTER WE DO THIS? YES, THERE ABSOLUTELY WILL BE. >> IS THIS THE KITCHEN PUT IT

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IS ABSOLUTELY A CATCH UP BUDGET WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE SENIORS WHICH IS AN ADDITIONAL

GROWTH DOLLAR AMOUNT. >> YES, SIR. OKAY.

THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. WELL, THIS BUSINESS CHAIRMAN IT DEALS AND DEALS WITH THE FUNDING FOR ROOM ROOM IS CRITICAL.

AND THE MONEY THAT'S IN REALLY CRITICAL AND IT HASN'T. THEY HAVE IT FOR DIFFERENT SITES. IS THAT MONEY COMING OUT OF OUR BUDGET OR IS IT COMING OUT

OF RULING CRITICAL? >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DEVELOP PARKS. YEAH. YEAH.

TO DEVELOP PARKS COMES OUT THE RULING CRITICAL LANDS MONEY. I THINK 5 MILLION WAS AWARDED TO THE PASSIVE PARKS PROGRAM FOR DEVELOPMENT OF A PASSIVE PARKS.

WE DO HAVE WE NOW HAVE REACHED A POINT AND THERE IS A NEW PERSONNEL ITEM IN THE IN THE REGULAR BUDGET TO HIRE A PARK RANGER FOR US TO BE ABLE TO SEND SOMEONE AROUND TO CHECK ON THE PARKS TO MAKE SURE TRASH IS PICKED UP. THINGS ARE IN PROPER WORKING ORDER. THERE'S NO SAFETY ISSUES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

IN ADDITION TO SOME ASSOCIATED EQUIPMENT IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT POSITION FUNCTION EFFECTIVELY

WAS SOME OTHER GEOPHONES? >> YES. YES.

OK. THANK YOU. THAT WAS JIM MR. BLAIR.

WE'RE YOURS. YEAH. THERE WAS ONE THING THAT I READ OUT THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE ALL AWARE OF AND THAT IS MAINTENANCE EQUIPMENT, LAWNMOWERS, BLOWERS, SOME VERY LARGE FIELD MOWING EQUIPMENT, RAKES AND A COUPLE OF VEHICLES THAT'S A LITTLE OVER THREE AND FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS WORTH OF PURCHASING.

>> AND WE'RE REPLACING STUFF THAT'S 30 YEARS OLD SO NONE OF IT'S EXTRAVAGANT SPENDING.

I'VE MADE THIS BUDGET WHICH BASICALLY MEANS THAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN FUNDING WITH BUILT

WITH THE FUNDING GETTING TO THE POINT OF CAPITALISM. >> OK.

THIS IS THE THIRD AND FINAL READING OF THE COUNTY BUDGET. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS OF COUNCIL HERE? NOT YET.

GERALD, ARE YOU DEAF IN YOUR GLASSES AGAIN? >> OK.

WELL, I MEAN IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE OK. ALL RIGHT.

IF NOT OUR CALL THE QUESTION ALL IN FAVOR OF THE 2022 2023 SCHOOL BEFORE COUNTY BUDGET INDICATE BY RAISING YOUR HAND BEFORE OH BEFORE COUNTY NOT SCHOOL.

[11. THIRD READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO PROVIDE FOR THE LEVY OF TAX FOR SCHOOL PURPOSES FOR BEAUFORT COUNTY FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING JULY 1, 2022 AND ENDING JUNE 30, 2023, AND TO MAKE APPROPRIATIONS FOR SAID PURPOSES]

>> RIGHT? RIGHT. PETER SCHOOL YOU LET LOOKS UNANIMOUS RIGHT NOW THAT BRINGS US TO ONE OF THE REASONS SEVERAL PEOPLE ARE WITH US TONIGHT. THAT IS SEVERAL IS PROBABLY AN UNDERSTATEMENT.

THE THIRD AND THIRD READING AND FINAL READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO PROVIDE FOR THE LEVY OF TAX ON SCHOOL FOR SCHOOL PURPOSES FOR BEAUFORT COUNTY FOR THE FISCAL YEAR JULY 1, 2022 ENDING JUNE 30TH 2023 AND TO MAKE APPROPRIATE FUNDS FOR SAID PURPOSES.

THEY HAVE A MOTION TO MAKE A MOTION TO PASS. >> IF YOU HAVE A SECOND I'LL

SECOND. >> THANK YOU. ANY DISCUSSION?

>> YES SIR. I DO HAVE ONE. YOU KNOW KNOW I'VE BEEN CONCERNED AND SPOKEN TO THE FACT ABOUT WHETHER WE'RE REALLY TAKING CARE OF THE TEACHERS IN THIS. AND IF MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECTLY A NUMBER OF YEARS BACK WE WE WERE AT A POINT WHERE THE DISTRICT WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE TEACHER SALARIES. AND WE AT COUNCIL ACTUALLY SAID LOOK, WE WOULD WELCOME A TAX INCREASE TO FIX THAT. I THINK THAT LED TO THE SUPPLEMENT THAT BACK SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WHEN I WAS MEETING WITH THE DISTRICT I ASKED WHAT WE NEEDED AS THE NUMBER COMPETITIVE AND THE NUMBER THE NUMBER WAS PUT ON THE TABLE WAS 50 WHEN WE GOT TO FIRST READING

AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT. >> THERE WERE SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT I INTERPRETED SAID, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE US GETTING TO BEING MORE COMPETITIVE ON TEACHERS.

AND SO I SAID THAT I COULDN'T SPEAK FOR COUNCIL MIGHT. MY SENSE WAS THERE WERE SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WERE SENSITIVE TO THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE.

THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY. >> CONSIDER IF WE WERE GOING TO BECOME MORE COMPETITIVE WHILE WE GOT THE SECOND READING AND THAT WAS NOT FORTHCOMING. AND SO I RAISED THE ISSUE AGAIN AND SAID, YOU KNOW, MY SENSE WAS I COULDN'T SPEAK FOR COUNCIL BUT THERE WERE MEMBERS THAT WERE SENSITIVE TO THAT AND MIGHT BE WILLING TO CONSIDER A TAX INCREASE.

AND SOME OF THE DISCUSSION ALONG THE WAY WAS, YOU KNOW, WE GOT ALL THESE NUMBERS VACANCIES AND WE GOT TEACHERS THAT WHEN THEY DECIDE TO COME HERE THEY FIND OUT THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO

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LIVE HERE. AND WE'RE COMPARING OUR SALARIES TO OTHER PLACES AROUND THE STATE. BUT NOT REALLY TAKING INTO ACCOUNT COST OF LIVING.

AND THERE WAS AN EMAIL THAT CAME ACROSS TODAY THAT SAID HELP HEAD AND BEAUFORT AND BLUFFTON ARE THE TWO MOST EXPENSIVE PLACES IN THE STATE TO LIVE FROM A COST OF LIVING STANDPOINT. SO I THINK WE OUGHT TO PASS THIS.

BUT I'M STILL VERY RECEPTIVE AND I HOPE COUNCIL WOULD BE THAT IF YOU ALL CAME BACK AS A SUPPLEMENTAL AND SAID LOOK, WE'D REALLY LIKE TO FIX THE PROBLEM AND HERE'S WHAT WE THINK IT WOULD COST. I THINK YOU'D FIND THAT THIS COUNCIL WOULD BE A SENSITIVE TO THAT. SO I JUST RAISED THAT ISSUE NOT THAT I DISAGREE WITH THE BUDGET AND I THINK YOU'RE ALL DOING A FINE JOB. BUT I DO THINK WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH WITH BEING COMPETITIVE GIVING WITH COST OF LIVING WITH WHERE WE ARE HERE.

AND I THINK WE AS A COMMUNITY WANT THIS TO HAVE THE BEST TEACHERS WE CAN HAVE.

YES, SIR. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU ALL FOR FOR HAVING US HERE THIS EVENING

. >> THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING OUR BUDGET.

CERTAINLY DURING THE FIRST TWO READINGS THAT WE'VE HAD AND I AM HERE TONIGHT AGAIN TO ASK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT ON THIS THIRD READING TO ME. HELP US CARRY IT ACROSS THE FINISH LINE. AS YOU KNOW, EMPLOYEE COMPENSATION HAS BEEN AT THE VERY HEART AND THE PRIORITY OF THIS BUDGET WE HAVE VETTED DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES AND IN BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE WE'VE CONSIDERED THE POTENTIAL FOR UNCERTAIN TIMES ECONOMIC TIMES AHEAD THAT MAY LIE AHEAD AND BELIEVE THAT THIS BUDGET POSITIONS US TO BEST DEAL WITH

A POSSIBLE ECONOMIC UNCERTAINTY THAT COULD EXIST. >> WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE DO AND THE SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS THAT WE HAVE MADE IN THIS IN TERMS OF COMPENSATION

IN THIS BUDGET THAT IS SUSTAINABLE. >> RIGHT.

THAT IT IS SUSTAINABLE. AND SO I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE SPIRIT WITH WHICH YOU SPEAK AND WITH THE INTENTIONS WITH WHICH YOU'VE SPOKEN ABOUT ABOUT THAT NUMBER AND AND AROUND EMPLOYEE COMPENSATION AND WE WILL DEFINITELY BE COUNTING ON THAT SUPPORT AS WE SYSTEMATICALLY CONTINUE TO MOVE OUR COMPENSATION AS THE UNCERTAINTY AROUND ECONOMIC

TIMES AHEAD LIFTS. >> I'D LIKE TO ASK MISS CROSBY TO STEP UP AND TALK A LITTLE

BIT ABOUT A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC IN DETAIL FOR YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> COUNCIL RODMAN OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS I DID MAKE SOME POINTS THIS EVENING SPECIFIC TO YOUR COMMENTS AND IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS SO VERY EARLY ON IN THE BUDGET PROCESS WE DID FOLLOW THE DISTRICT STAFF REALLY FOLLOW THE STATE'S LEAD IN TERMS OF COMPENSATION.

THE GOVERNOR INDICATED INITIALLY THAT HE WANTED A FOUR THOUSAND DOLLAR INCREASE IN THE BUDGET AND THE HOUSE WENT ALONG WITH THAT. SO ORIGINALLY BUILT OUR BUDGET ON THAT 4000 DOLLAR INCREASE. AND THEN THE BOARD TOOK SOME OTHER MEASURES TO ADD ANOTHER TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS AND SO WE IN ESSENCE ROSE TEACHER SALARIES 12 PERCENT.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE TAKE HOME PAY. BUT 20 PERCENT IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL STARTING TEACHER SALARIES SO THAT THAT IS ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT INCREASES THAT I HAVE SEEN IN THE STATE. THESE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT INCREASE THAT I'VE SEEN IN THE STATE AND IN TERMS OF THE COMPARISON WITH OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICTS, GREENVILLE WAS NUMBER ONE AND THEY JUST PASSED THEIR BUDGET WITH A STARTING TEACHER SALARY OF FORTY FOUR THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED. THIS BUDGET PROVIDES A FORTY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLAR FIVE HUNDRED AND SIXTY SIX DOLLAR PAY STARTING TEACHER PAY WHICH

IS A THOUSAND DOLLARS MORE THAN GREENVILLE. >> SO THEY WERE NUMBER ONE AND WE'RE GOING TO BE A THOUSAND DOLLARS MORE SO NOT LESS. ANOTHER DISTRICT DID SOMETHING REALLY SUBSTANTIAL. I BELIEVE THAT'S GOING TO PLACE THIS AT THE TOP OF THE SCALE.

>> IN ADDITION TO THAT 45000 IN THIS DISTRICT STILL HAS IN PLACE A TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED DOLLAR LOCALITY SUPPLEMENT FOR TEACHERS AND IN ADDITION TO THAT THE BOARD PASSED A TWO

THOUSAND DOLLAR RETENTION BONUS. >> SO TECHNICALLY THIS SCHOOL YEAR OUR TEACHER STARTING TEACHERS WILL RECEIVE FORTY FIFTY THOUSAND SIXTY SIX DOLLARS IN COMPENSATION. NOW WE MAY HAVE MET THE GOAL TEMPORARILY BUT WE'RE NOT DONE

. >> OUR WORK ISN'T DONE. SO WE INTEND TO CONTINUE TO INCREASE OUR EFFORTS BY RAISING THE BASE TEACHER SALARIES IN FUTURE YEARS.

>> BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN SUSTAIN THOSE COSTS PARTICULARLY IN THE FACE OF POTENTIAL ECONOMIC DOWNTURNS. AND WE ALL KNOW WITH INFLATION

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RIGHT NOW IT IS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE WE SEE SOME DOWNTURN TURN IN HOUSING COSTS AND SO ON. THE CURRENT COMPENSATION INCREASES MOUNT TO 19 MILLION DOLLARS IN THE STATES GIVING US 2.5 MILLION DOLLAR INCREASES IN STATE REVENUE.

EFFORTS BEING FUNDED AT A FRACTION OF THE COST TO SUSTAIN THOSE INCREASES.

THERE'S THE MANDATED INCREASES. THEY'RE PROVIDING AND IT AMOUNTS TO ABOUT 13 PERCENT OF THOSE INCREASES. THE COST OF MOVING AN ADDITIONAL THE REMAINING LOCALITY SUPPLEMENT AND AN ADDITIONAL TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS TO MEET THE BASE SALARY OF FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS WILL COST THE DISTRICT SIX AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS OF WHICH WE WILL GET NO ADDITIONAL FUNDING FROM THE STATE. SO THIS IS THE THE RISK

OF BEING ABLE TO SUSTAIN THAT I THINK IS MUCH GREATER. >> WE CAN'T QUANTIFY IT BUT WE WILL IT WOULD EXHAUST ALL OF THE MILLAGE THAT IS ALLOWABLE TO THE DISTRICT THE EIGHT POINT SEVEN MILES. SO IT WOULD DOUBLE MORE THAN DOUBLE THE TAX INCREASE THAT WE'VE REQUESTED OR PROPOSED FOR MILLS AND IT WOULD WE TOOK A CONSERVATIVE APPROACH BY GOING OUT WITH FOUR MILLS AND INCREASING FURTHER AT THIS TIME WHEN THE ECONOMY IS REALLY

TOUGH ON FOLKS WITH WOOD FUEL AND RISING FOOD COSTS. >> WE WE DON'T WE AREN'T RECOMMENDING THAT AT THIS TIME. SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CURRENT BUDGET AS IS BUT ALLOW US TIME TO CONTINUE TO ASSESS THE REVENUES BOTH LOCAL AND STATE TO SEE WHAT THAT DOES AND THEN WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF OF DISCUSSING THAT AGAIN

THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. >> A TEACHER SALARIES AND OTHER STATE COMPENSATIONS INCREASES WILL CONTINUE TO BE AT THE FOREFRONT NOT ONLY IN OUR DISTRICT BUT ACROSS THE

COUNTRY. >> AND SO BUT AT THIS TIME WE WERE REQUESTING THE SAME THE FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE BUDGET. WE PROVIDED ONE LAST NOTE JUST AS SOMETHING THAT OCCURRED TO ME OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS WITH THIS BUDGET. WE WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT A PRESS RELEASE AND WE'RE WE'RE PUTTING OUT THERE WHAT WE WERE DOING.

I'VE NOT SEEN AN INCREASE OF THIS SIZE. WHAT THIS IS GOING TO DO IS DRAW A LOT OF ATTENTION AT THE STATE LEVEL TO REALLY CONTINUING TO PUSH FORWARD EVERY ONE OF US. EVERY SCHOOL DISTRICT MOVING FORWARD AHEAD OF THE OTHER AND IT'S GOING TO DRAW A LOT OF ATTENTION AT THE STATE LEVEL AND HOPEFULLY ALLOW OUR STATE LEGISLATION TO PURSUE CONTINUE TO INCREASE LEVELS THAT WE'VE SEEN THIS YEAR.

AND SO WE CAN ONLY THAT WILL ONLY BE A WIN FOR ALL OF US. SO WITH THAT I'LL BE HAPPY TO

TAKE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. >> YOU HAVE LOUISVILLE. >> I DO WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT.

I MADE A TERRIBLE ERROR AND WHEN SUPERINTENDENT RODRIGUEZ GOT UP I DIDN'T INTRODUCE HIM BY NAME. SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. AND TONYA CROSBY AS CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. THANK YOU, SIR.

YES. OBVIOUSLY I SUPPORT THE BUDGET. WHAT YOU GOT? YOU GUYS DO A GREAT JOB AND I KNOW YOU'VE MENTIONED IT ALL THE MONEY THAT THE INCREASE NOW IS AND WE COVER PAY INCREASES FOR TEACHERS. SO THE BIG QUESTION THOUGH AND AGAIN I'LL PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. I'LL GIVE PLATFORM AS WE'VE SEEN SO MUCH WITH THE SCHOOL SHOOTING IN TEXAS OBVIOUSLY IS THERE MORE MONEY NEEDED FOR SCHOOL SECURITY? WHAT ARE WE DOING TO SECURE THE SCHOOLS AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE FLOOR TO GO AHEAD AND LET US KNOW AND TELL PEOPLE SO THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE WHAT YOU GOT. THANK YOU.

>> FIRST OF ALL, IT'S OBVIOUSLY AN INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TOPIC THAT IS ALWAYS ON THE FOREFRONT OF OF WHAT WE DO. WE HAVE GREAT COLLABORATION WITH OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT PARTNERS THROUGHOUT BEAUFORT COUNTY IN THE MUNICIPALITIES AND IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND WE CONTINUE TO WORK CLOSELY TOGETHER IN FACT TOMORROW. WE ACTIVE SHOOTER TRAINING TAKING PLACE. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO AN ONGOING BASIS IN TERMS OF THE TRAINING REGARDING THIS . WE ACTUALLY GO ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WHAT THE STATE MANDATED TRAINING IS. AND SO WE PUSH THAT ENVELOPE EVEN FURTHER. THE GOVERNORS OFFICE, THE LEGISLATURE I'M NOT SURE WHICH BUT IT'S COMING FROM THEIR RIGHT FROM OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS HAVE BEEN PROVIDING COSTS FOR TWO ADDITIONAL SORROWS PER YEAR. AND SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE SORROWS IN OUR MIDDLE SCHOOLS AND IN OUR SCHOOLS AND WE HAVE IN SOME ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS

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ALREADY WE ARE WE WILL CONTINUE TO ADD AS THEY CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THE FUNDING FOR THOSE TWO ADDITIONAL SORROWS. WE WILL CONTINUE TO ADD AS SORROWS AS LONG AS THEY ARE AVAILABLE FROM FROM OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT PARTNERS. BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT AT OUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS WE HAVE ARMED SECURITY GUARDS THAT OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS FUNDED THAT OUR BOARD FUNDED SAW IT AS A PRIORITY AND FUNDED. AND SO EVERY ONE OF OUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS DOES NOT HAVE AN SRO HAS AN ARMED SECURITY GUARD ON SITE THAT RECEIVES ADDITIONAL TRAINING AS WELL. IN ADDITION TO THAT WE ALSO THROUGH THE 20 19 REFERENDUM HAVE SAFETY AND SECURITY MEASURES THAT ARE PART OF THAT REFERENDUM THAT WE CONTINUE TO PUT INTO OUR THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE A LITTLE

BIT ABOUT THAT. >> THANK YOU, SIR. YES, SIR.

THANK YOU. JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. >> I KNOW YOU GUYS SOME HAVE ALREADY ANSWERED MR. ROBIN I KNOW THE DRIVE FOR 50 IS BASICALLY SAYING AND I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THEIR ATTENTION THAT'S TWO THOUSAND. SO THAT PUTS PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING BACK IN THIS YEAR OVER 50 WHICH WOULD ACTUALLY PUT THEM TO 50 1 400 AND 70 AND CHANGE THEIR TECH PLAN. A SECOND YEAR TEACHER RIGHT. SO WITH THEIR STAFF INCREASE ON TOP OF THAT. MY MY ONLY QUESTION FOR YOU ALL IS DO WE EVER BRING TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AN OPEN SESSION TO SEE WHAT THEY THOUGHT OF IT TO ALLOW THEM WITH THE CHANCE TO VOTE ON IT BECAUSE THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS TO PASS YOUR BUDGET FIRST GRADE BEFORE YOU BRING IT

TO US. >> DID IT EVER GET BROUGHT BACK TO A SCHOOL BOARD IN YOUR MEETING? I THINK IT WAS LAST WEEK THE WEEK BEFORE AND WE DID NOT TAKE

BACK THE. >> WE MOVED FORWARD WITH THE BUDGET AS PROPOSED.

IF WE HAD DONE THAT WE WOULD HAVE BASICALLY RESTARTED THE BUDGET PROCESS BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE BETWEEN SECOND AND THIRD READING AND WOULD HAVE REQUIRED THE BOARD TO VOTE AGAIN AND THEN GO THROUGH THREE MORE READINGS WITH COUNCIL WHICH WOULD PROBABLY PUT US IN A MID-AUGUST APPROVING THIS BUDGET. SO WE'VE REQUESTED WE DISTRICT STAFF CHOSE TO MOVE FORWARD REQUEST WITH THIS REQUEST AS AS APPROVED BY THE BOARD.

>> DO THEY HAVE ANY OPEN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IT WHETHER IT WAS BROUGHT LIKE A BACK AGENDA ITEM JUST TO GIVE THEM THE INFORMATION? HEY, THIS IS WHAT CAME TO US FROM COUNCIL. THESE ARE THE NUMBERS WE CAME UP WITH THE PERCENTAGE.

I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE BACK IN THE MILLS RIGHT NOW FOR THE FUTURE TO USE FOR ANOTHER PROJECT.

BUT WAS IT EVER BROUGHT FOR THEM TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOICE THEIR OPINIONS, SEE WHO SUPPORTED AND SUPPORT IT WAS NOT ON AN AGENDA HERE AS A SCHOOL, SIR, THANK PATRICIA FEDERATED DISTRICT 4. I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT. KNOW WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK FOR ANYTHING ON AN AGENDA JUST LIKE YOU ALL DO. WHAT I THINK WAS UNCLEAR TO YOU ALL IS THAT WE KNEW THAT WE WERE THE FIRST OF 50. WE ALREADY KNEW THAT WE KNEW WHAT THE SUPPLEMENTAL INCOME THE TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED WITH THE TWO THOUSAND DOLLAR RETENTION WE KNEW THAT WE WERE GOING TO PROVIDE TO OUR FIRST YEAR TEACHERS OVER FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS FIFTY THOUSAND SIXTY SIX. SO I PERSONALLY DID NOT NEED TO DISCUSS THAT AND MORE BECAUSE I KNEW WE WERE ALREADY THERE. I UNDERSTAND THAT MAYBE YOU ALL DID NOT REALIZE THAT BECAUSE THE ACTUAL STARTING SALARY, THE RECURRING COSTS ARE NOT AT 50.

ALL RIGHT. BUT WE KNEW WE WERE ALREADY THE FIRST 50.

SO WE DID NOT DISCUSS IT IN OPEN SESSION BUT A NUMBER OF THE BOARD MEMBERS.

>> RIGHT. WE ALL KNEW THAT ALREADY. SO I DIDN'T FEEL THE NEED TO BRING IT TO AGENDA AND I'LL ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF. I APOLOGIZE.

I HAVE A COLD YOU KNOW, I SOUND LIKE I'M VERY CONGESTED BECAUSE I HELP MR. CUNNINGHAM A LITTLE

BIT. >> YEAH, I MEAN MOST DEFINITELY .

BUT JUST JUST TO BE CLEAR, IT WOULD ONLY BE YOUR SECOND YEAR TEACHERS THAT ARE OVER 50.

NO, SIR. >> IT'S 50 THOUSAND SIXTY SIX FOR A FIRST YEAR STARTING

TEACHER. >> SO SO THE CLARIFICATION ALSO TO THAT THE FIRST YEAR TEACHERS ARE ALSO BENEFITING FROM THE TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED COLLEGES SUPPLEMENT AS WELL.

>> CORRECT. THEY RECRUITING AND RETENTION. >> OK.

SO IT'S RECRUITING AND RETENTION JUST FOR OUR ENTIRE SECOND AND THIRD YEAR RETURN WELL. YES. DEFINITELY MAKES A DIFFERENCE.

OK. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS

OF COUNCIL REGARDING THE SCHOOLS? >> TWENTY TWENTY TWO TWENTY FORTY THREE BUDGET NOTE I'M GOING TO TAKE A FLYER ON THIS AND SAY WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE THIS WITHOUT OBJECTION. ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS IN A MOTION ON A SECOND?

I MEAN THE MOTION AND MOST OF THE. >> YEAH WE DID.

WE DID THAT, SIR. JUST CHECK IT. OH NO, NO I APPRECIATE THAT.

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THAT'S GOOD. I WANT SOMEBODY TO HAVE MY BACK.

WITHOUT OBJECTION WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE THE 2022 2023 SCHOOL BUDGET.

THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOU. >> THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT.

THIS IS REALLY A MONUMENTAL INCREASE THAT WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT IT AND WANT TO THANK YOU

FOR YOUR SUPPORT. >> THANK YOU. WE CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH.

EVERYBODY'S LEAVING. WE HAVE SOME FASCINATING TOPICS COMING UP.

I CAN'T BELIEVE TO PUT THEM LAST. NEXT ON NOW NEXT ITEM LET GET

OUT THE FEELING OF THE RANKS. >> ALL RIGHT. >> WE WOULD NORMALLY BE ON ITEM

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NUMBER 12. HOWEVER, I THINK WE HAVE AN OFF AGENDA ITEM WHICH WE WILL

INSERT BETWEEN 11 AND 12 NUMBER AFTER THAT. >> AND I BELIEVE MR. MCCALLUM FROM THE TELL US ABOUT. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THE READER JILL EARLIER SOME CONFUSION A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WERE CONTRIBUTING. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT MOTION WHICH IS NOW NUMBER 12 AND ALL OF THE OTHER NUMBERS HAVE CHANGED IN THE SUCCEEDING

FASHION. >> SO NUMBER 12 IS NOW A MOTION TO INTRODUCE AN ORDINANCE BY TITLE ONLY TO LEVY AND IMPOSE A SALES AND USE TAX SUBJECT TO REFERENDUM WITHIN BEAUFORT COUNTY IN SUPPORT OF THE COUNTY GREEN SPACE SALES TAX ACT RECENTLY ENACTED BY THE SOUTH CAROLINA GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND I THINK THAT SHOULD CLARIFY IT PRETTY WELL.

>> RIGHT. THANK WELCOME DATA SECOND OFFICER NOW WE'RE IN DISCUSSION AND ONE OF THE FOLKS IS GOING TO SPEAK TO US IS SENATOR DAVIS .

>> WELL, LET ME GIVE YOU THE MICROPHONE AND THEN WE'LL DEBATE IT AMONGST OURSELVES.

>> THANK MR. CHAIRMAN TOM FOR I AGAIN I NEGLECTED TO BUT I THANK MR. HERBERT JOHN AND MR. ROBIN AND AND YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN ,FOR YOUR SERVICE. I DIDN'T SEE MUCH OF FAREWELLING AT THE DAIS AND I NEGLECTED TO REALIZE THAT HE WAS JUST GETTING VIRTUALLY HE CERTAINLY HE SERVED SINCE 2009. EXCELLENT YEARS OF SERVICE. HE'S GONNA BE WELL MISSED AND I'M CONFIDENT THAT THERE'S THERE'S THINGS IN STORE IN FUTURE FOR HIM AS WELL.

SO I DID WANT TO MENTION THAT. THE SECOND THING I'D LIKE TO MENTION BEFORE I GET INTO THIS PARTICULAR GREEN SPACE PROPOSAL IS TO COMPLEMENT COUNTY COUNCIL AND THE COMMITTEE IT APPOINTED I THINK WAS HEADED BY DEAN MOSS TO IDENTIFY BY THE THE THE ROAD PRIORITY PROJECTS IN BEAUFORT

COUNTY. >> I THINK THEY DID A GOOD JOB OF OF LOOKING WHERE THE NEEDS WERE. I THINK THEY WERE EQUITABLE IN TERMS OF ALLOCATING AND TRYING TO LOOK AT THE VARIOUS REGIONS OF THE COUNTY SO THAT THERE WAS YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY HAD SKIN IN THE GAME. AND I THINK THAT'S EXCELLENT WORK PRODUCT.

AND AND I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU THAT THAT EVEN IF IF YOU DON'T MOVE FORWARD ON A PENNY SALES TAX FOR THE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS THIS YEAR, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S WORK THAT'S WASTED. AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS THAT THERE IS AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF FEDERAL AND STATE MONEY THAT'S THAT'S FLOODING THE SYSTEM RIGHT NOW.

YOU'VE GOT THE SIX BILLION DOLLARS THAT WE'LL BE APPROPRIATING OVER A FIVE OR AUTHORIZING THE EXPENDITURE OF OVER A FIVE YEAR PERIOD THAT'S COMING DOWN FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. YOU'VE GOT ONE HUNDRED TWENTY MILLION DOLLARS IN RECURRING FUNDS ABOVE AND BEYOND THE GAS TAX THAT WERE APPROPRIATED THE D.A. TO FURTHER DRAW DOWN THAT THAT FEDERAL MATCH. THAT'S ANOTHER SIX HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS.

WE'VE GOT MORE MONEY THAT WE'RE DEDICATING TO THE CTC. WE'VE GOT A BILLION DOLLARS THAT WE'RE SIMPLY NOT SPENDING THIS YEAR. WE'RE PUTTING INTO A CONTINGENCY RESERVE FUND THAT WE CAN SPEND FOR WHATEVER PURPOSE WE WANT IN OUT YEARS.

>> AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THAT ROAD FUNDING IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THOSE PRIORITY ITEMS. AND SO I THINK THERE'S AN EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY WITH WITH ALL OF THE MONEY THAT'S THAT SORT OF SWIMMING AROUND THE SYSTEM RIGHT NOW LOOKING FOR A HOME, SO TO SPEAK.

IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA I WOULD SUGGEST FOR THIS COUNTY COUNCIL TO MAKE A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION OF WHAT THE ROAD PRIORITIES ARE AND THEN CHARGE OUR DELEGATION WITH ASSISTING YOU IN WORKING WITH THE DST AND WORKING WITH THE CIB AND WORKING WITH WITH THE OTHER FUNDING AGENCIES THAT BOTH THE FEDERAL AND STATE LEVEL TO TRY TO GET AS MANY OF THOSE OF THOSE PROJECTS FUNDED. AND WHAT THAT WOULD THEN DO IS THAT WHEN YOU CAME INTO THE NEXT YEAR OF 2024 YOU WOULD HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHICH OF THOSE PROJECTS REALLY BE FUNDED WITH THOSE EXISTING FEDERAL AND STATE DOLLARS AND YOU WOULD NARROW YOUR LIST DOWN TO THOSE ARE TRULY NEEDED THE LOCAL DOLLARS IN ORDER TO GET DONE SO.

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SO I WANTED TO START BY SAYING THAT BECAUSE I TALKED WITH THE MOSS ON THE PHONE AND I RECOGNIZE ALL THE WORK THAT THEY PUT IN AND I JUST EMPHASIZE THAT THAT I CERTAINLY DON'T CONSIDER THAT THAT TO BE WASTED WORK AND IN FACT I THINK IT'S GOING TO REALLY HELP US IN THE MONTHS TO COME WHEN WE TRY TO GET AN EQUAL AMOUNT OF THAT MONEY DOWN AND BE A FREE COUNTY. THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS THE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW WITH WITH ROADS AND BRIDGES IRONICALLY ENOUGH ISN'T A MONEY PROBLEM SO TO SPEAK.

>> YOU'VE GOT SO MUCH DEMAND FILLING THIS SPACE NOW. THE FEDERAL MONEY AND STATE MONEY THAT SUPPLY ROAD CONTRACTORS CAN'T KEEP UP WITH THE WORK.

FOR INSTANCE, BY WAY OF EXAMPLE . I 95 WILL BE THREE LANES IN EACH DIRECTION FROM THE GEORGIA SECOND LINE TO EXIT EIGHT. THAT'S FULLY FUNDED ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL ZONE ABOUT TO BE COMPLETED IF NOT COMPLETED THE RIGHTS OF WAY ACQUISITION OR ABOUT TO COMPLETED IF NOT COMPLETED. AND YET CHRISTY HALL, A D.A.

CAN'T GET PEOPLE OUT THERE AND ACTUAL STARTING TO DO THE WORK UNTIL ANOTHER 18 MONTHS.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE THERE'S JUST THERE'S JUST SO MUCH MONEY CHASING AFTER TOO FEW CONTRACTORS. SO I JUST WANT TO START OFF BY MAKING THOSE PARTICULAR COMMENTS TO Y'ALL. BUT BY CONTRAST AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO STAND YOU IN BETTER STEAD IN 20 24 WHEN YOU GO TO THE VOTERS FOR A PENNY SALES TAX OR A PRO-RATA PORTION FOR ROAD PROJECTS TO HAVE DONE THIS ADDITIONAL DEGREE OF DILIGENCE TO DEMONSTRATE AND TELL THE PUBLIC THAT YES, WE TRIED TO GET IT FUNDED AND WERE WERE UNABLE IN ANY WAY WANTED TO STOP MAKING THIS COMMENT THAT IN REGARD TO THE THING THAT'S BEFORE US RIGHT NOW THAT

THIS LOCAL OPTION SALES TAX. >> PENNY FOR OPEN SPACE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT FOR QUITE SOME TIME PRIMARILY BECAUSE THE LEADERSHIP THAT COUNTY COUNCIL HAS SHOWN IN THE RURAL AND CRITICAL LANDS PROGRAM AND AND THE THE SUCCESS OF THAT PROGRAM HAS ENJOYED THE SUPPORT OF THE PUBLIC. IT IS ENJOYED.

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG BUT I THINK IT'S BEEN UP FOR THREE OR FOUR TIMES TO AUTHORIZE THE BAR

SIGNS AND I BELIEVE IT ALWAYS GETS APPROVED IN THE MID 70S. >> AND SO IT'S SOMETHING INTUITIVELY PEOPLE AND BEFORE COUNTY UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS SOMETHING ABOUT BEFORE COUNTY'S ECOSYSTEM THE WATER, THE LAND, THE MARSHES THAT MAKES US UNIQUE AND IN LARGE MEASURE IS THE REASON WHY PEOPLE ARE COMING HERE IN DROVES. I MEAN THAT THEY WANT TO LIVE HERE. I MEAN IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE.

I MEAN SOUTH CAROLINA IS ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING STATES IN THE NATION.

AND BEAUFORT COUNTY IS ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING COUNTIES IN SOUTH CAROLINA.

AND IN I GREW UP IN AND IN MARYLAND AND CAME DOWN HERE WHEN I WAS 18, WENT TO FIRMS THAT I GREW UP IN MARYLAND AND WE USED TO FISH ON THE CHESAPEAKE BAY AND GO OUT THERE AND AND I SAW FIRSTHAND HOW THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE MID ATLANTIC WATERSHED RUINED THE CHESAPEAKE

BAY FOR GENERATIONS TO COME. >> AND THEY'RE SPENDING HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS NOW TO TRY TO CLAIM IT BACK, BUT THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO GET A FRACTION OF WHAT IT USED TO BE. WE STILL HAVE HERE AND BEFORE COUNTY WITH OUR ESTUARY AND SYSTEM OF PORT ROYAL SOUND AND ST. HELENA SOUND, WE STILL HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS MORE OR LESS PRISTINE, SOMETHING THAT THAT THAT CAN STILL BE SAVED AND PRESERVED.

BUT I'M NOT SHARING ANY NEW NEWS HERE. >> WHEN I SAY THAT IS BEING JEOPARDIZED, YOU DRIVE DOWN 170 ,YOU GO ON TO 78 WHETHER YOU'RE GOING IN YOU KNOW, TOWARD HILTON HEAD OR WHETHER YOU'RE GOING TOWARD 95 AND YOU DON'T JUST SEE DEVELOPMENT, YOU SEE HUNDREDS OF ACRES OF LAND BEING DEVELOPED ON MOSS WITH WITH TREES BEING CUT DOWN AND WITH ROADS BEING PUT IN AND WITH HOUSES GOING UP IN THE COCO MINUTE, YOU KNOW, ENVIRONMENTAL DEGRADATION THAT FOLLOWS AND IT'S HAPPENING BEFORE OUR VERY EYES.

AND SO I WOULD ARGUE THAT IT'S AN EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCE. IT'S AN ARGUMENT THAT I MADE TO MY COLLEAGUES IN THE SENATE THE HOUSE THIS PASSED ALMOST UNANIMOUSLY AND BOTH THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE EVEN EVEN AMONG THOSE THAT CONSIDER THEMSELVES LIKE I DO AS A STAUNCH FISCAL CONSERVATIVES AND I AM I HAVE NEVER VOTED FOR A TAX INCREASE IN MY LIFE THAT I KNOW OF .

AND YOU ALL WOULDN'T BE VOTING FOR ONE HERE EITHER. WHAT YOU WOULD BE DOING IS SUBMITTING TO THE PEOPLE OF BEAUFORT COUNTY TO LET THEM DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THIS WAS SOMETHING THEY WANTED TO BEAR IN TERMS OF COST. AND I THINK THAT THE REASON THAT I THINK THE PEOPLE OF BEAUFORT COUNTY SUPPORT THE REASON I SUPPORT IT IS THESE ARE SPILLOVER COSTS AND EXTERNALITY IS CAUSED BY DEVELOPMENT FOR WHICH THERE IS NO IMPLEMENTING NET NO NO MEANINGFUL MITIGATION. THERE IS NO OTHER SOURCE OF THE FUNDS WE COULD GO TO TO TO HALT THE DEGRADATION. OTHER THAN THIS.

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GOVERNOR RICK M. WAS WAS WAS EAGER TO SIGN THIS WHEN HE GOT THIS ENJOYS WIDE SUPPORT THROUGHOUT THE STATE. BUT I THINK ITS NEED IS PARTICULARLY ACUTE HERE IN

BEAUFORT COUNTY BECAUSE OF OUR FRAGILE ECOSYSTEM. >> AND SO WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE ARE WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST AND URGE YOU TO CONSIDER IS A HALF PENNY SALES TAX AS OPPOSED TO A

PENNY. >> I THINK THAT'S THAT'S A NOD IN PART TO THAT IT IS A NEW PROGRAM AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO INSTILL SOME PUBLIC CONFIDENCE BUT ALSO BECAUSE THE ECONOMY IS IS OBVIOUSLY STRAINED RIGHT NOW WITH PRICES RISING ALTHOUGH I WOULD NOTE THAT THE HALF PENNY SALES TAX IF APPROVED WOULD NOT APPLY GASOLINE WOULD NOT A PRODUCT GROCERIES THOSE ARE EXEMPT FROM THE SALES TAX BUT IN ANY EVENT IT IS STILL A

DIFFICULT TIME. >> AND YOU'RE SWIMMING UPSTREAM TO GET SOMETHING LIKE THIS PAST . AND SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS IS FOR THE SAME 10 YEAR PERIOD THAT THE ROAD TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE WAS CONSIDERING IF YOU HAVE A HALF PENNY DURING THAT 10 YEARS, I THINK THE ECONOMIC PROJECTIONS WERE THAT IT WOULD YIELD 350 MILLION DOLLARS OVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME. LOOK AT THAT HAPPEN IS THAT INCOME STREAM COULD THEN BE LEVERAGED AND BONDED TO HAVE YOU KNOW, WITH THE BONDS ISSUED FOR PURPOSES OF PROCUREMENT PRESERVATION IMPAIRMENTS AND OTHER PRESERVATION TECHNIQUES WITH THAT BONDED INDEBTEDNESS THEN BEING AMORTIZED OVER THE 10 YEAR PERIOD OF TIME THROUGH THE COLLECTION OF THOSE OF THAT HALF PENNY SALES TAX REVENUE, THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS OR THE WAY THE STATE STATUTES OR A LANGUAGE READS IS THAT THIS COUNTY COUNCIL WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF APPOINTING THE COMMITTEE THAT WOULD DECIDE ON HOW TO UTILIZE THE FUNDS ON WHAT PURCHASES TO MAKE WHAT WEATHER WOULD BE CONSERVATION EASEMENTS, WHETHER THEY BE FEE

SIMPLE PURCHASES, WHETHER THEY BE SOMETHING ELSE AND. >> AND SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO OFFER IN THAT REGARD. BUT BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S WITHIN YOUR DISCRETION. I DO THINK THAT THAT WE HAVE THE BENEFIT HERE AND BE A COUNTY OF HAVING SEEN RURAL AND CRITICAL LANDS PROGRAM WORK. WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHERE EXPERTISE LIES. I THINK I THINK COUNTY COUNCIL IS A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF WHO'S ASTUTE IN REGARD TO IDENTIFYING LANDS THAT ARE PARTICULARLY VULNERABLE.

>> I THINK THERE ARE THERE ARE OTHERS THAT ARE ASTUTE IN REGARD TO HOW DO YOU GO ABOUT GETTING THE BEST BANG FOR THE BUCK. YOU DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO PURCHASE SIMPLE TITLE ALL THE TIME. YOU CAN SIMPLY, YOU KNOW, BUY CONSERVATION EASEMENTS. YOU CAN BUY YOU CAN BUY DOWNS ONLY YOU CAN YOU CAN DO ANY NUMBER OF THINGS. BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE I WOULD BE PARTICULARLY PROUD AND I THINK THAT THAT THAT YOU SHOULD BE FOR COUNTIES WE'RE PARTICULARLY PROUD IF WE WERE THE FIRST ONES TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS AND WE WERE THE ONES TO SHOW THE REST

OF THE STATE. >> THIS IS HOW YOU GO ABOUT TAKING CARE OF THINGS IN YOUR OWN BACKYARD. THIS IS HOW YOU GO ABOUT MAKING THE CASE TO THE PEOPLE AND GETTING IT PAST. I'M READY TO GET TO WORK. I MEAN I'M READY TO SPEND THE SUMMER IN THE FALL AND WORKING TO TALK TO MY CONSTITUENTS ABOUT THIS.

AND I HOPE THAT YOU GET A FAVORABLE CONSIDERATION. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO WITHOUT DISCUSSION WITH THE SENATOR REALLY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS OF COUNCIL?

>> SURE. YES, SIR. I'VE ALWAYS GOTTEN QUESTIONS OF SENATOR DAVIS SO MUCH BUT I AM I'VE BEEN I'VE BEEN A PROPONENT FOR THE RULE AND CRITICAL LAND FOR YOU FOR YEARS AND DID SERVED ON A BOARD FOR SOME TIME SUPPORT THE PROGRAM BUT HE WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IN THE RUINED CRITICAL LAND PROGRAM WE DEAL WITH LANDOWNERS AND IT'S A VOLUNTARY KIND OF THING AND WE BASICALLY HAVE DONE CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS FEE SIMPLE WOOD BASICALLY THE THINGS YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT ESA BE GREEN BUILD TO ME SEEMED A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN THAT WITH THE GREENBELT YOU ARE NOW ABLE TO GO IN AND POCKET DEVELOPERS AND ALSO MUNICIPALITIES OR OTHER ENTITIES THAT HAVE GIVEN DEVELOPMENTAL THESE TO DEVELOPERS IS LIKE FAT IN THE

POCKETS OF DEVELOPERS. >> DO YOU SEE? DEFINITELY NOT NECESSARILY.

>> WELL I WOULD PHRASE IT DEFINITELY BETTER. GLOVER I TAKE YOUR POINT THE MORE YOU DO IT. THE FIRST THING I WOULD SAY IS THIS LIKE RON KIRK A LANCE

PROGRAM WOULD BE A VOLUNTARY APPROACH. >> I MEAN THAT THERE'D BE.

YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU DOWN DOMAIN CONDEMNATION POWERS IT WOULD BE ON A VOLUNTARY

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BASIS JUST LIKE WE'RE ON CRITICAL LANDS. THE DIFFICULTY IN SKINNING THIS CAT ATTACK ON THIS PROBLEM GETTING BY WAY OF EXAMPLE BLUFFTON IT'S TOWN LIMITS A 9 PERCENT. BLUFFTON IS ALREADY UNDER OPERATING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS OR PUTTS. I MEAN THEY'VE GOT IT THEY'VE GOT IT MAXED OUT.

IT'S CANCER CELLS THAT ARE LYING DORMANT AND ABOUT TO SPRING OUT.

OK, SO SO IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GET TO THE HEART OF THIS PROBLEM, I THINK THAT OPENING UP BUYING UP OPEN SPACE AND GREEN SPACE FROM CRITICAL LANDS AND HEADWATERS IN AREAS LIKE

THAT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT. >> I THINK THAT'S JOB NUMBER ONE.

BUT WHAT THIS STATUTE AUTHORIZES NOT REQUIRES BUT AUTHORIZES THE COUNTY TO DO IF IT WANTS TO IS TO PURCHASE DENSITIES THAT HAVE PREVIOUSLY BEEN APPROVED AND NOW OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO NEGOTIATION BETWEEN IF YOU DECIDED TO DO THAT BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE DEVELOPER. AND YOU KNOW, I CERTAINLY SPEAKING FOR MYSELF WOULD NOT BE AN ADVOCATE FOR FOR PAYING ANYTHING NEAR A MARKET VALUE FOR THOSE I MEAN IT WOULD IT WOULD IT WOULD HAVE TO BE GOING AND BUYING IN A DISCOUNT BASIS I WOULD THINK VOLUNTARILY FROM THE DEVELOPERS. SO YOU KNOW, I I DON'T SEE IT AS A BAILOUT OR LINING THEIR POCKETS BUT IT IS AN OPTION BECAUSE I DO THINK IF YOU'RE GOING TO TACKLE THE PROBLEM HERE, WE HAVE TO FRANKLY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH NOW IS A LOT OF RIGHTS THAT ARE ALREADY VESTED, A LOT OF RIGHTS THAT ARE ALREADY RIGHT UNDER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS AND AND YOU REMIND ME TO MAKE A POINT THAT I SHOULD'VE MADE EARLIER.

MR. GLOVER IS AT THIS THING WON'T WORK THIS THIS THIS THIS APPROACH WON'T WORK UNLESS ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES IN IN BEAUFORT COUNTY AND BEFORE COUNTY ITSELF ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES IN JASPER COUNTY AND JASPER COUNTY ITSELF ENTERS INTO SOME SORT OF A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WILL WE WHERE THEY AGREE THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO INORDINATELY INCREASE THE SUPPLY OF THESE DENSITIES WHILE THE OTHER HAND IN THE OTHER POCKET WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO BUY THEM UP? I SAID SO IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE A REGIONAL COLLABORATIVE EFFORT AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THIS IS GOING TO BE A FAILED APPROACH. IF WE GO ABOUT AND BUY UP DENSITIES OR BUY UP OPEN SPACE IN GREEN SPACE AND YOU STILL HAVE THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON OR THE CITY OF HARDY VILLE OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE ANNEXING TRACTS AND GRANTING HIGHER DENSITIES.

AND SO MY VIEW IS THAT IN ORDER TO GET THIS PASSED TO THE PEOPLE I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE TO THE COUNTIES WHAT TO DEMONSTRATE IN THIS PASS OFF TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN THE PAST IS NOT GOING TO BE WHAT THEY CONTINUE TO DO IN THE FUTURE AND AND THERE'S GONNA BE SOME VERY HARD CONVERSATIONS AND I APPRECIATE IN JASPER COUNTY IN PARTICULAR IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE THEY'VE HAD A TAX BASE AND THEIR CITIZENS HAVE GONE OUT WITH SOME OF THE OTHER SERVICES THAT WE HEAR AND BE FORGETTING TO TAKE FOR

GRANTED. >> BUT MY GOSH, I MEAN YOU SEE THE HUNDREDS OF ACRES THAT THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT DEVELOPING AT THE HEADWATERS AND ADJACENT TO THE RIVERS AND IT'S JUST GOING TO RUIN THINGS AND THERE'S GONNA BE SOME HARD CONVERSATIONS OTHERWISE THIS WON'T WORK. AND YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN VERY.

>> YES, SIR. >> THANKS FOR COMING OUT, SENATOR DAVIS.

I ACTUALLY LOVE THE OUT OF THE BOX THINKING TO GET SOMETHING LIKE THIS DONE AND WE HAD A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THIS ON THE TRANSPORTATION TAX. I'LL TELL YOU ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DID NOT LIKE ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION TAX WAS THE LONGEVITY OF THE 10 YEARS KIND OF SCARES ME JUST BECAUSE OF THE WAY BEFORE COUNTY CHANGES SO RAPIDLY.

>> THINGS THAT MADE SENSE AT ONE TIME DON'T MAKE SENSE NOW. SO I WAS RUNNING SOME NUMBERS RIGHT HERE WE HAVE 10 PERCENT FOR 10 YEARS WHICH EQUALS OUT ABOUT 35 MILLION A YEAR.

IF WE DID A FULL SET FOR FOUR YEARS THAT GIVES US ABOUT 70 MILLION A YEAR AND PUTS US AT ABOUT TWO HUNDRED EIGHTY MILLION. SO IT'S A 70 MILLION DOLLAR DIFFERENCE. BUT IN THE SIX YEAR DIFFERENCE OF TIME FRAME, THE SAME ARGUMENT YOU HAVE FOR GOING WITH A HALF A CENT PUT THE FAITH INTO ACCOUNT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THIS PROPERLY BECAUSE IT'S A PILOT PROGRAM. IT'S THE SAME ARGUMENT I USED FOR THE SHORTER TERM WILLING TO GO FOR ONE CENT TO GO TOWARDS YOU KNOW FOR AND LOWER DOWN TO FOUR YEARS TO SAY HEY, WE'RE BEING ACTIVE, WE'RE FOCUSING ON THESE AREAS AND WE ARE ACTUALLY PUTTING OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS TO LOWER THE DENSITY AT THIS TIME FRAME.

I WAS KIND OF CURIOUS WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS BEHIND THAT PROCESS BEHIND AND SOMETHING HAPPENING FOR BENNING BUT FOR A SHORTER PERIOD OF TIME SHOW THAT WE'RE WHERE WE'LL GET DONE.

I THINK YOU MAKE SOME VALID POINTS FROM YEAH I GUESS MY ONLY RESPONSE WOULD BE FROM A POLITICAL STANDPOINT AND IN TAKING THE ISSUE TO THE VOTERS FOR APPROVAL GIVEN THIS ECONOMIC CLIMATE THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT A HALF PENNY I THINK THAT THAT MAKES IT EASIER

TO SELL FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD THAN A FULL PENNY FOR ME. >> THE MAIN THING IS JUST DOING

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IT AT A SCALE THAT'S GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND WHETHER YOU DO IT OVER A 10 YEAR IMMUNIZATION A HALF PENNY OR YOU DO IT OVER HALF THAT TIME A FULL PENNY. IT'S EITHER WAY EITHER WAY FOR

ME IS FINE. >> THE ONLY THING I WOULD NOTE IS THAT POLITICALLY IT MAY BE MORE OF A LIFT TO HAVE A FULL PENNY BECAUSE PEOPLE TEND TO FOCUS ON THAT ASPECT OF IT AS

OPPOSED TO THE DURATION. >> SENATOR JEFF, JUST A QUESTION ON THE THE LOGIC OF MOVING IN THE DIRECTION THAT I'M HEARING IF WE WERE TO POSTPONE THE SALES TAX REFERENDUM FOR TRANSPORTATION, LET'S SAVE 224 DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME IN 23 AND 24.

>> THE POSSIBILITY EXISTS THAT WE COULD COLLECT ENOUGH FUNDING FROM THAT FREEFALL OF CASH THAT'S COMING TO THE STATE WITHOUT IMPOSING A ONE CENT SALES TAX ON OUR ON OUR CITIZENS AND WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET THAT MONEY WORKING WITH THE DELEGATION THAT YOU

REMEMBER OF TO BRING THAT MONEY TO US. >> AND IF WE FOUND AFTER TWO YEARS THAT THAT DID NOT WORK, WE COULD THEN GO BACK WITH A REFERENDUM RECOMMENDATION TO GET THE MONEY WE NEED. BUT HOPING DURING THAT TWO YEAR PERIOD WITH THE COLLABORATION OF THE DELEGATION YOU'RE A MEMBER OF . WE COULD HAVE MONEY COME INTO US SO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO START THE WORK ON THE ROAD AND THE PATHWAYS AND THE OTHER THINGS WE'RE DOING. BUT AT THE SAME TIME MAYBE COLLECT EITHER A HALF PENNY OR A FULL PENNY TO STOP THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE SEEING THAT'S RUINING THE ENVIRONMENT THAT'S BROUGHT US ALL HERE AND WOULD GIVE US AN EARLY START ON PERHAPS BUYING SOME LAND IN THE RURAL AND CRITICAL PROGRAM AND ALSO PERHAPS STOP SOME OF THE 500 HOUSE PROJECTS AND PERHAPS MAKE THOSE TWO OR THREE HUNDRED HOMES RATHER THAN 500 AND AT THE SAME TIME ACCOMPLISH EVERYTHING WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITHOUT IMPOSING TWO TAXES AT ONCE FOR THAT TWO YEAR PERIOD WHERE WE COULD GET FEDERAL AND STATE MONEY AND THEN DO SOMETHING WITH THE GREEN SPACE SALES TAX EFFORT THAT MAKES THAT DOES I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAID, MR. MACALLAN I WOULD SAY SUMMARIZE IT BY SAYING THIS IS THAT BY BY DEFERRING UNTIL 2024 A REFERENDUM OR FOR A SALES TAX FOR TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS YOU DO TWO THINGS IN MY OPINION.

>> ONE, YOU'RE EXPLORING WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN BE FUNDED GIVEN THE MONEY THAT'S ALREADY OUT THERE AND THEREBY MAYBE DIMINISHING OR LOWERING THE LIST OF THINGS YOU NEED TO BORROW MONEY FOR. AND SECONDLY, YOU'RE DEMONSTRATING TO THE PUBLIC THAT THAT AS A COUNTY COUNCIL BEFORE GOING TO THEM AND LOCAL DOLLARS YOU'RE DOING YOUR DUE DILIGENCE IN REGARD TO WHETHER OR NOT ANY STATE AND FEDERAL MONEY CAN TAKE SOME OF THOSE ITEMS OFF THE LIST. AND THE LAST THING I WOULD SAY AND I SHOULD'VE MENTIONED IT EARLIER. THE REASON WHY SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS IS NECESSARY AND THAT YOU JUST DON'T IMPOSE A MORATORIUM IS BECAUSE YOU RUN IN AN INVERSE CONDEMNATION PROBLEMS WHEN YOU DO THAT. YOU'VE WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN AND I SAY WE BECAUSE I'M A MEMBER OF BEAUFORT COUNTY IF IT ISN'T DUPLICATED WE DID IT. I MISS VALDEZ ARE COUNTIES WHATEVER. WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN DEVELOPERS VESTED RIGHTS AND IF THERE WERE GOING TO BE A MORATORIUM IMPOSED OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, SORT OF LIKE A TOP DOWN PUSH, YOU WOULD BE IN COURT WITH INVERSE CONDEMNATION ACTIONS PROBABLY MOST LIKELY WOULD LOSE. I THINK WHAT WHAT MAKES THIS APPEALING AND IT MADE IT APPEALING TO MY COLLEAGUES IN THE SENATE ON BOTH SIDES ARE WAS IT IS A MARKET APPROACH.

>> IT'S A VOLUNTARY APPROACH. IT'S COUNTY SITTING DOWN ACROSS THE TABLE AND SEEING WHETHER OR NOT A VOLUNTARILY DROP. SO YOU DON'T BRING IN THOSE ASPECTS OF INVERSE COMBINATION TO YOU SEE IT AND I'M NOT A CONSTRUCTION PERSON AND I KNOW YOU'RE NOT EITHER.

>> BUT DO YOU SEE IN THE NEXT 18 MONTHS TO TWO YEARS SOME OF THAT DEMAND LESSENING SO THAT MORE CONTRACTORS ARE FREED UP? WOULD YOU THINK IT'S JUST GOING TO. I THINK I THINK IT'LL ESCALATE ,MR. MACALLAN.

I JUST THINK THAT THAT BEAUFORT COUNTY IS SUCH A DESIRABLE PLACE TO LIVE.

AND I THINK ONE OF THE LEGACIES OF OUR COVERT EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN TO TEACH PEOPLE THAT THEY CAN WORK FROM REMOTE LOCATIONS THAT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE IN AN URBAN CENTER.

>> THEY CAN. THEY CAN LIVE IN PARADISE AND THEN WORK ONLINE.

AND I DON'T SEE THAT PHENOMENON CHANGING. IN FACT, I SEE IT ACCELERATING

. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, SIR.

CHRIS. OH, THAT'S NO GOOD FOR WHO IS FIRST OUT.

>> OH, ALEX, I'M SORRY. >> I DIDN'T SEE THIS IS KIND OF GETTING IN THE WEEDS.

I KNOW YOU CAN GIVE US A GOOD EXAMPLE BUT I LOOK AT THE SEVEN OPTIONS FOR PRESERVATION PROCUREMENTS AND I'M FAMILIAR WITH MANY OF THEM THROUGH OUR RULE CRITICAL LANDS PROGRAM BUT LEASES WITH OPTIONS TO PURCHASE HOW MANY? HOW DO YOU SEE THAT WORKING? BECAUSE YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO BUY A LEASE WITH THIS TAX MONEY DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A

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REALLY GOOD OPTION TO EVICT AND IT MAY WELL NOT BE MISS HOWARD. >> I THINK THE INTENTION THERE WAS AND THIS COMES DIRECTLY FROM THE THE PROPOSED LEGISLATION WHICH I DRAFTED I TRIED TO BE AS EXPANSIVE AS POSSIBLE SO THAT SO THAT THE COUNTY AND OR ITS COMMITTEE THAT IT APPOINTS HAS A FULL RANGE OF OPTIONS AND TRYING TO TACKLE THIS PROBLEM AND THE IDEA WAS NOT TO CONSTRAIN. I MEAN IF THERE'S WAYS FOR PEOPLE GET CREATIVE, IF THERE'S WAYS FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE SOME BENEFICIAL USE WHILE AT THE SAME TIME DECREASING SOME DENSITIES. THE IDEA HERE WAS TO EXPAND THE UNIVERSE OF THINGS AND NOT NECESSARILY TO ARGUE FOR THE MERITS OF ANY PARTICULAR ONE OF THEM.

>> THANK YOU, JAMIE ELLIS. >> WE'RE GETTING CLOSE THE 8 O'CLOCK HOUR AT MARSHALL BLOOM EXTEND BEYOND MOST OF OUR VALUES. WE'LL SECOND WHAT WAS IN MOTION TO EXTEND BEYOND THE O'CLOCK AND JUST BE ALL HANG OUT WITH YOU LONGER MR. SOMERVILLE AGAIN

. >> WITHOUT OBJECTION THE MOTION TO EXTEND BEYOND EIGHT O'CLOCK DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO STAY AFTER EIGHT O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.

>> HOUSE THE GUYS HIRING YOUR OBJECTION I HAD EYE SURGERY AND THEN AN INFECTION DEVELOPED IN MY THROAT AND SO I'VE BEEN GOING EVERY DAY TO MOUNT PLEASANT TO HAVE THIS THING IRRIGATED OUT SO I'M ON PERCOCET SO I'M KIND OF I'M A LITTLE A LITTLE I THINK I'M LUCID BUT BUT I'LL TELL YOU THAT EVERY MORNING THAT I GO AND DRIVE THERE I GOT TO ALLOW

MYSELF TWO HOURS TO GET THERE AND I DRIVE DOWN SEVENTEEN. >> I GET ON FIVE TWENTY SIX AND I SIT THERE AND AND I HATE TO SAY THIS BECAUSE MOUNT PLEASANT IS THERE'S LOTS OF FIVE PEOPLE ON MOUNT PLEASANT BUT I DON'T WANT BEAUFORT COUNTY OR SOUTHERN BEEF AGAIN IN PARTICULAR THAT'S WHAT THE GROWTH IS TO BECOME MOUNT PLEASANT AND I'VE SEEN THAT

HAPPEN. >> I MEAN THERE'S ALWAYS SO MANY PLACES ROADS CAN GO.

I MEAN ALL OF US HAVE BEEN UP IN THE AIR AND LOOK DOWN AND YOU SEE THE FINITE AMOUNT OF LAND THAT THERE IS AND THE NUMBER OF OF CAR SQUEEZING THROUGH IS LIKE BLOOD THROUGH A CLOTTED ARTERY AND THEN IT'S JUST IT'S JUST YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT

EXCEPT MAYBE WITHIN THE BLOOD. >> SO ANYWAY, THAT'S MY KIND OF GOING OUT TO THE OTHER YEAH THIS IS JUST REMIND EVERYBODY THIS IS TITLE ONLY AS THIS DISCUSSION.

>> YEAH YEAH SURE. I'M GLAD YOU SAID IT BECAUSE THEY'LL BE PERCOCET OR BECAUSE I LIKE TO. OKAY. YOU DID FIND OF DANA BEACH BASICALLY ADMONISH US THE SAME THING HE SAID WHEN HE LEFT AND HE STEPPED DOWN AS DIRECTOR OF COURSE THE CONSERVATION HE SAID MAKE SURE THAT YOU MAKE INFRASTRUCTURE A PART OF PLANNING YOU HE SAID BECAUSE IF YOU'LL BE JUST LIKE CHARLES AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD PLANNING FOR THAT AND THAT'S WHY THIS INFRASTRUCTURE OF STUDY WAS DONE BY A TASK FORCE TO BRING BACK TO US SO THAT WE CAN MANY HERE SO THAT WE DON'T BECOME A

CHARLESTON AMONG PLAYERS AND TRY TO MOVE AROUND. >> AND BEFORE WE MOVE ON, THE NEXT PRESIDENT RESPONDED THAT YOU MAKE A GREAT POINT THERE REALLY TWO SIDES OF THE SAME COIN IF YOU'RE GOING TO TACKLE THE PROBLEM OF TRAFFIC AND CONGESTION AND THINGS OF THAT

NATURE ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER ISN'T GOING TO WORK ON YOU. >> YOU DO NEED THE CONSERVATION AND YOU DO NEED THE IMPROVED TRANSPORTATION WHICH IS WHY I THINK IT'S INCREDIBLY VALUABLE THAT COUNTY HAD A COMMITTEE GO OUT THERE AND COME UP WITH IDEAS, PRIORITIES THAT REALLY DO IT. THERE ARE TWO SIDES OF THE SAME COIN.

YOU'RE RIGHT AND THEY DID A GREAT JOB AND I DO BELIEVE IN BOTH SIDES.

>> SO I REALLY YOU KNOW, IN FAVOR OF THE PENNY EVEN TO THE POINT NOW OF HALF AND HALF AND ALLOWING AT LEAST THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE 354 BY NOW DENSITY I DON'T THINK WE CAN COME OUT IF WE'RE GOING TO SELL A PENNY I DON'T THINK WE CAN SELL TO REFERENDUM. I DON'T CARE WHERE THERE'S A HALF A PENNY ON EACH ONE I THINK THE CITIZENS WILL MIGHT SUPPORT EACH ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER AND ALL I'VE SAID TO PEOPLE COMING OUT BASED ONLY 2018 REFERENDUM. DO YOU KNOW WHEN IT STARTED IN MAY OF 2019? THIS IS NO I SAID TWO AND A HALF YEARS LATER IS ENDED.

DID YOU KNOW WHEN IT ENDED RIGHT? THEY SAID NO.

I SAID YES. AND THAT MEANS A SHORT TIME WE COLLECTED OVER ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY FIVE MILLION DOLLARS. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S A HARD SELL BUT I DO THINK THAT IF WE GO HALF AND HALF SHORT OF THE COMMITTEE TASK SAID TO US THAT WE NEED AND I JUST WANT TO PUT YOU ON RECORD TO SAY THAT YOU WILL DO ALL YOU CAN TO GET THE REMAINING 300000.

>> YEAH. >> YEAH. YOUR WELL DONE.

NO NO BUT AND IN LAST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WHEN I FIRST STARTED KICKING THIS IDEA

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AROUND AND THOUGHT ABOUT TRYING TO BLEND THE TWO AND WHAT I LEARNED WAS THAT SINCE THESE THESE SALES TAXES EMANATE FROM DIFFERENT STATUTORY AUTHORIZATIONS THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE TWO SEPARATE REFERENDUMS. AND YOU'RE RIGHT EVEN THOUGH AS A PRACTICAL MATTER PEOPLE MIGHT NOT REALIZE WHEN IT WENT ON OR WHEN IT CAME OFF WHEN THEY'RE SITTING IN THAT VOTING BOOTH IN NOVEMBER AND THEY SEE ONE OR TWO. YOU'RE RIGHT.

THE MORE LIKELY TO PICK ONE THAN THE OTHER. AND I THINK THEY WOULD PICK.

I LIKE THAT THE OPEN SPACE AND I WOULD NOT LIKE TO SEE THE ROADS TRANSPORTATION INITIATIVE SOLID OR HINDERED BY THAT VOTE. I THINK THAT A MUCH STRONGER CASE COULD BE MADE IN 2024 FOR

THE REASONS THAT I STATED. >> CHRIS, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

>> YES, SIR. APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION. I'VE GOT TWO QUESTIONS ONES FOR YOU. ONE'S FOR COUNCIL. I'M CURIOUS IN YOUR OPINION

WHETHER OR NOT YOU THINK EARTH PAYS FOR ITSELF. >> IT CAN.

>> IF IF IF YOU'RE IN A JURISDICTION WHERE THE GROWTH IS ACCOMPANIED BY THE IMPACT FEES ORDINARILY ASSOCIATE WITH WITH GROWTH WHETHER IT BE ROADS OR SCHOOLS OR ANY NUMBER OF THINGS I THINK SOUTH CAROLINA IS IS RELATIVELY CONSTRAINED IN THAT REGARD

ALTHOUGH WE DID DO A POSITIVE STEP WITH THE ROADS. >> I THINK WE REINSTITUTED THAT AND REAUTHORIZED THAT AND THAT IS SOMETHING YOU CONTINUE TO LEGISLATE THAT CERTAINLY HELPS . SO I THINK UNDER THE RIGHT CIRCUMSTANCES WITH APPROPRIATE IMPACT FEES TO COVER EXTERNALITY ASSIGNED TO DEVELOPER I THINK YOU CAN.

BUT I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU THAT THAT OUR PROBLEM HERE IS THAT NOW I MEAN GROWTH CAN'T PAY FOR ITSELF BECAUSE OF THE TIGHT PARAMETERS WITHIN WHICH THAT GROWTH IS TAKING PLACE AND THE CONGESTION THAT IT CAUSES AND THE DEGRADATION TO THE ENVIRONMENT IT CAUSES.

IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE IN IN GREENVILLE OR YOU'RE IN A SPACE THAT HAS A LOT OF LAND WORK.

WE'RE VERY, VERY FINITE IN REGARD TO THE AMOUNT OF LAND WE HAVE.

AND VERY CONSTRAINED AS TO WHERE THE BRIDGES ARE. SO I THINK IN THAT COUNTY IT'S DIFFICULT FOR GROWTH TO PAY FOR ITSELF HERE UNCONSTRAINED GROWTH.

>> I WOULD TEND TO AGREE THAT IT'S INTERESTING THE WAY YOU PHRASED THAT THAT IT CAN AS A

PRACTICAL MATTER. >> I WOULD BE CURIOUS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISH THAT. SO I WOULD ALMOST VIEW THIS AS A TAX REDUCTION PLAN THAT'S LONG TERM AS OPPOSED TO A TAX INCREASE. IF THAT WAS MY QUESTION TO YOU YOU THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE JUST COUNCIL BROADLY IS IS THIS GOING TO REPLACE GROWING

CRITICAL PROGRAM OR HOW WOULD THOSE TWO THINGS INTERPLAY? >> I WOULD SAY IT WAS GONNA SUPPLEMENTED INITIALLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE X NUMBER OF DOLLARS COMING IN FROM THE HAPPENING OR THE PENNY OR WHATEVER IT IS AND IT'S GOING TO BE WELL FUNDED MAY THEY MAY

GET IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY CAN'T SPEND IT FAST ENOUGH. >> I'M NOT SURE THAT'S GOING TO

BE THE CASE BUT YEAH. >> SO THE IF YOU ALL RECALL WHEN OUR BRIEF COUNTS ON THIS LAST MEETING WE WILL STILL HAVE THE ROOM CRITICAL LANDS MONEY THERE.

BUT SENATOR DAVIS WAS GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO WORK WITH THE VISE CHAIRMAN SOMERVILLE AND ME TO ADD LANGUAGE INTO THE LEGISLATION THAT ALLOWS TO USE THE PENNY PORTION TO SERVICE THE BOND FAR RULING CRITICAL LAND SO WE COULD IF THIS IS ADOPTED THROUGH A HAPPENING THEN WE COULD DELETE THAT DEBT MELODIES FROM PEOPLE'S INDIVIDUAL AVALON PROPERTY

TAXES. >> I SHOULD IUT THAT THERE IS BECAUSE OF THAT A PROPERTY TAX REDUCTION COMPONENT TO IT. I WOULD ALSO SAY NOT NOT TO GET TOO MUCH INTO THE INTO THE SELLING OF IT TO THE ELECTORATE BUT I THINK PEOPLE INTUITIVELY UNDERSTAND THAT IF THEY OWN PROPERTY AND IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OVERDEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING TO DEGRADE THE ENVIRONMENT AROUND THEM AND MAKE IT A LESS DESIRABLE PLACE

TO LIVE. >> IT'S NOT AFFECT THEIR PROPERTY TAX BASE.

IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THOUSANDS OF NEW HOMES COMING INTO THE AREA, JUST THE OPERATIONAL PRINCIPLE SUPPLY AND DEMAND THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE VALUE OF THEIR HOMES AS WELL. I'M CONFIDENT THAT A VERY STRONG AND PERSUASIVE CASE CAN

BE MADE IN FAVOR OF OPEN SPACE. >> I DON'T THINK A STRONG OR PERSUASIVE CASE CAN BE MADE RIGHT NOW IN REGARD TO THE TRANSPORTATION PENNY BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING STATE AND FEDERAL DOLLARS THAT ARE OUT THERE AND I BELIEVE THERE NEEDS TO BE AN EFFORT A CONCERTED EFFORT THAT'S DOCUMENTED AND REQUESTED BY COUNSEL TO THE DELEGATION TO EXHAUST THAT EFFORT FIRST BEFORE YOU THEN GO BACK AND SAY OK, WE TRIED TO ADDRESS THESE CRITICAL

TRANSPORTATION NEEDS TO MR. GLOVER'S POINT. >> WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET IT FROM THE STATE AND FEDERAL DOLLARS THAT ARE APPROPRIATED NOW.

THEREFORE WE'RE GOING BACK TO OKATIE SOMETHING OUR FRACTION OF A PENNY WHATEVER ENDS UP BEING. OR TO MR. CUNNINGHAM'S POINT MAYBE WANT TO LENGTHEN THE TIME OR TELESCOPE THE TIME AND THAT WOULD THEN ALLOW YOU TO JUST THE PENNY SO TENDER.

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>> WOULD YOU AGREE TO A GET WITH CHAIRMAN PARSIMONY AND ARRANGE FOR MEMBERS OF THIS BODY TO MEET WITH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE SOUTH CAROLINA LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE? SURE, WE UNDERSTAND YOUR COMMITMENT.

WE'D SURE LIKE TO HEAR FROM THEM AS WELL ABOUT THEIR COMMITMENT.

SO IF WE COULD DO THAT THAT'D BE GREAT. MATTER OF INQUIRY WHAT WHEN IS

THE MEETING IN JULY THAT'S BEING HELD. >> 11TH I THINK IS ON FILE AND

11TH. >> I MEAN WHAT WOULD I DO? MR. KELLER IS I WILL CONTACT MEMBERS OF THE DELEGATION AND TELL HIM ABOUT THE MEETING ON JULY 11TH.

TELL THEM THE PURPOSE OF IT IS TO KIND OF GIVE AN EXPRESSION OF THEIR WILLINGNESS TO HELP

TRY TO GET SOME IDEAS ON HOW WE MIGHT GO ABOUT DOING IT. >> AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS. YOU KNOW, THE D.A., THE CITY, THE CDC JUMP OVER A BILLION DOLLARS HAS BEEN SET ASIDE AND NOT SPENT IN GENERAL FUND. I MEAN SO THERE'S LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES, UNIQUE OPPORTUNITIES RIGHT NOW QUITE FRANKLY BECAUSE OF FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PROLIFICALLY YOU KNOW, WITH THE MONEY KIND OF FLOATING AROUND OUT THERE.

>> I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO AFTER AND GET SOME OF IT.

OK. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE WHO'S GOT A

PERSONAL REQUEST MAKE TO SENATOR? >> INFRASTRUCTURE.

I GOT IT. I GOT YOU. YOU'VE GLANCING OVER MANY TIMES. YES, SIR. ONE WE OWN ONE MEAL.

THERE'S A BRIDGE CALLED THE CHOW AND QUICK ROUTE WE GO NEEDS A WIDENING ON THAT BRIDGE AS WE THOUGHT IT OUT WHEN YOU TALKED TO CERTAIN PEOPLE ON HILTON HEAD THEY WOULD HAVE

ANOTHER ST. HELENA ISLAND OR TAKE YOU OVER TO HILTON HEAD. >> SO I'M NOT THAT'S NOT THE DO

YOU HAVE TO COME COMMENT HERE? >> THANK YOU, SENATOR. I SAID AT OUR LAST MEETING THAT I THINK HOWEVER WE GET THERE WE NEED TO DO A PENNY ON THIS ONE AND WE NEED TO GET ON THE TRANSPORTATION NOT TO DO BOTH OF THE MEETINGS AND MY THOUGHT ON THE ONE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THAT IF YOU DO SOME BACK ENVELOPE AND YOU LOOK AT 50 THOUSAND HOMES THAT ARE OUT THERE AND ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT YOU'RE IN THE BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF POTENTIAL VALUE PROPERTY LAND VALUES AND AND THAT KIND OF DRIVES ME THAT AT SOME POINT WE NEED FOR PENNY OTHERWISE IT MAY BE TOO LITTLE CHASING TOO MUCH.

SO I AM A STRONG PROPONENT. YOU KNOW WE DEAL TO WHETHER WE DO A HALF NOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT LATER WHETHER WE DO THE FULL A POLITICAL JUDGMENT. BUT I DO THINK THAT AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO GET TO THE FULL PENNY JUST TO MAKE AN IMPACT.

YOU MAKE A GREAT POINT IN REGARD TO SCALE AND THE ROLE CRITICAL AND PROGRAMS HAVE

WONDERFUL PROGRAM. >> IT HAS NOWHERE NEAR THE SCALE THAT'S NECESSARY TO ADDRESS WHAT THE PROBLEM IS HERE. I GUESS THE ONLY REASON I WOULD ARGUE IN FAVOR OF THE HALF PENNY IS A POLITICAL ARGUMENT. IT WOULD NOT BE A SEGMENT OF ARGUMENT IN TERMS OF IS THE MONEY NECESSARY OR WOULD IT BE DOING GOOD THINGS? IT'S MORE IN THE NATURE OF IS THIS SOMETHING THAT I COULD GET WE COULD GET PAST AND THEN I'M

NOT ARGUING FOR EITHER ONE. >> I'M JUST REALLY SUPPORTING YOUR POINT.

I WOULD YIELD TO POLITICAL JUDGMENT OF HOW WE GET TO THE PENNY AT SOME POINT IN TIME THIS SECOND ONE RELATIVE TO THE TRANSPORTATION PIECE FROM EVERYTHING I'VE SEEN OF ALL THE NUMBERS WE'VE LOOKED AT. WE'RE GOING TO NEED THE PENNY AT SOME POINT IN TIME JUST WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAGNITUDE OF WHAT'S COMING AT US FROM A RHODES STANDPOINT AND NOT

UNCOMFORTABLE WITH DOING TWO YEARS FROM NOW. >> BUT IF WE GO DOWN THAT PATH I THINK THERE'S A PIECE THAT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND AND THAT IS EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A LOT OF THIS MONEY FLOATING AROUND, WE STILL HAVE TO BE IN THE PIPELINE TO GET IT.

WHEN YOU GO THROUGH ALL THE REGULATIONS AND WHAT THAT SAYS TO ME IS THAT WE NEED TO BE TAKE THERE'S FIVE, 10, 15 MILLION DOLLARS AND GET STARTED ON THE PULMONARY ENGINEERING AND BE WILLING TO DO SOME MATCHING ALONG THE WAY SO THAT WE LOOK SHOVEL, SHOVEL READY AND CAN GET THOSE FUNDS. I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT AND I WOULD ALSO STRENGTHEN THE DELEGATION'S ABILITY I THINK TO MAKE ITS TO MAKE ITS CASE TO THE DOJ.

>> I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT. >> FOR EXAMPLE, I THINK THE ONE THAT WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT IS 170. I THINK IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST FAILING THE MOST DANGEROUS ONE IN THE REGION. AT THIS POINT IN TIME AND AS YOU KNOW WE'VE TEAMED UP WITH JASPER COUNTY AND HARDY VILLE TO GET ON WITH THE THE FIRST PHASE.

BUT THE NEXT REALLY BIG PHASE IS TO SIX LANE THAT THAT ROAD WHENEVER WE GET AND JARED HAS HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH DOTY ABOUT PERHAPS DOING A DESIGN BUILD WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO TO THE TRADITIONAL 30 PERCENT DESIGN BEFORE WHAT WE'D HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO BE READY TO DO THAT. SO I JUST THINK WE'VE GOT TO STEP BACK IF WE'RE GOING TO DELAY IT. WE DON'T NEED IT BUT WE NEED TO GET UP. LOGAN HELEN CLARK I THINK THE SENATOR HAS GIVEN US NOW WE'VE

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GOT TO BE WILLING TO SPEND SOME MONEY TO POSITION OURSELVES SO THAT WE CAN ALLOW YOU ALL TO PUSH MONEY OUR WAY. BUT MY SENSE IS IF WE DON'T DO THAT, IT GETS VERY DIFFICULT FOR YOU ALL TO MOVE THINGS FORWARD. YES, SIR.

BUT YOU HAVE SOMETHING QUICKLY ONE OF CROOK QUICK HAPPENING MAKE SENSE.

>> YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S GETTING SOMETHING PASSED IS BETTER THAN GETTING NOTHING PASSED. SO LET'S SAY WE COME BACK 2024 AND WE DO THE 10 YEAR HALF A PENNY. THREE HUNDRED FIFTY MILLION. WE PROBABLY WANT TO COME BACK WITH EIGHT YEARS AND HALF A PENNY AGAIN ON THAT TRANSPORTATION TAX BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO GO TO 7 1/2 PERCENT. WE DEFINITELY GOT 8 PERCENT THAT'S ON PAR WITH NEW YORK. THERE'S A REASON PEOPLE ARE COMING THIS WAY.

SO WITH THAT SAID YOU KNOW IT. YEAH, IT SAVES TAXPAYERS 70 MILLION DOLLARS, LOWERS THE DENSITY FOR THE FUTURE. SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE OF NOT TAXING THE FULL PENNY FOR THAT ARE THE EXTRA HALF PENNY FOR THAT YEAR. SO THAT'S THE 420 MILLION DIFFERENCE WE'D BE LOOKING AT FROM OUR ESTIMATED BUDGET THAT WE HAD BEFORE WHICH WHO KNOWS HOW IT'S GONNA GO JUST WHAT I THOUGHT FOR US THE COUNCIL WHAT IS OUR FUTURE VOTE LOOK LIKE IN TWO YEARS THEN? IS IT ANOTHER HALF PENNY SO IT COMES OFF FOR PENNIES PUTS ASIDE 7 PERCENT IS IT FOR YOU? I MEAN THERE'S A LOT TO THINK ABOUT.

IT'S A GREAT IDEA. I THINK WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.

I'M 100 PER CENT SUPPORTIVE OF THE IDEA. I THINK IT'S JUST THOSE LOGISTICS THAT I'D LOVE TO GET THE DELEGATION'S IDEA. YOUR GUY'S IDEA YOU TO SEE WHAT'S THE BEST FOR COUNTY NOW AND IN THOSE NEXT TEN YEARS TO MAKE THE ENTIRE PROJECTS?

>> MACALLAN POINT I THINK HAVING THE OTHER DELEGATION MEMBERS HERE TO TALK WITH YOU AND YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK HIM SOME QUESTIONS. WE'LL GIVE YOU SOME ANSWERS TO

THOSE THOSE QUESTIONS. >> BUT WHAT IF I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO GO TO HOW MUCH OF THIS WILL BE COVERED DO YOU THINK BY VISITORS TO THE AREA? YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE WAS SOME

ANALYSIS DONE IN CONNECTION WITH THE GAS TAX, YOU KNOW, SO. >> SO USING THAT AS A CORRELATE OF MEASUREMENT, I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ROUGHLY ERIC. HELP ME OUT HERE.

WHAT WHAT PERCENTAGE WOULD YOU SAY OF THE GAS TAX 40 50 PERCENT IS BOUGHT BY PEOPLE COMING IN FROM OUT OF STATE? THAT'S RIGHT. AND I DON'T EITHER BE A DIRECT CORRELATION BETWEEN THE GAS TAX RATIOS OR NOT. BUT I THINK IT'S PRETTY GOOD

MEASURE. RIGHT. >> THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. DOES IT MAKE YOU ALL RIGHT? WE'RE NOW.

WE NOW HAVE ARRIVED AT THE NEW NUMBER 13 WHICH IS THE SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE FOR YOU . WE HAVE TO WAIT ON THE PHONE. I THINK, YOU KNOW, I MADE A

MOTION. WE HAVE TO WE FINISH RIGHT. >> WHAT WAS YOUR MOST EMOTION?

>> EMOTION WAS TO INTRODUCE AN ORDINANCE BY TITLE YOU AND OTHERS.

>> I CALL IT JUSTICE. >> THEREFORE WE NEED TO ROLL CALL ON THIS.

YOU HAVE TO FIGHT FOR THE DISCUSSION IS OVER AND NOW WE DID EXPRESS EXCURSIONS.

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> IT. WE NEED TO WE NEED A ROLL CALL

OR CAN WE ACCEPT THIS BY A SECOND? >> HE DID THE SECOND.

>> OKAY. WITHOUT OBJECTION. >> ARE WE ABLE TO MOVE THIS TO A PENNY IF WE SO DESIRE? OH YEAH. THAT DETAILS HAVEN'T BEEN WORKED OUT YET. NOTHING CAME OUT. I LEFT OUT THE AMOUNT.

CHRIS, IT'S JUST THE SALES TAX. NO, NO. >> YEAH.

THIS IS JUST TITLE ONLY WITHOUT OBJECTION. WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE THE NEW ITEM ARTICLE THE NEWTON COMFORT TWELVE AS INTRODUCED BY MR. MCCALLUM.

>> THANK, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I'M WONDERING THIS WILL BE GOING TO THE COMMITTEE FOR DISCUSSION NOW WHETHER I HAVE AN OPINION, RIGHT?

EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE PERHAPS. >> CAN YOU HEAR ME, PAUL? >> YEAH, I HEARD YOU.

I'M JUST THINKING. YEAH, YEAH. I THINK THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE AND I THINK THERE'S ANYTHING TO LIMIT NATURAL RESOURCE ANYTHING TALK ABOUT IN

THIS. >> THIS IS 10 PAGES. >> THAT'S RESOURCES.

WE'LL TAKE IT UP. >> I THINK IT'S JUST VALUE. WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT FOR TIMELINE THEN? MAYBE HALF PAST THE PUBLIC. THANK YOU.

WE HAVE TIME TO GET THERE. >> WE DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THAT. DO WE KNOW FOR YOU HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO CONTROL THE MOB THE VOTE DID NOT REFER THE MOTION AND THE SECOND DID NOT

REFER TO A COMMITTEE. >> I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU HAVE TIME TO REFER TO A COMMITTEE.

WE'VE GOT TO HAVE THIS TO THE STATE IN AUGUST OR TO OUR VOTER REGISTRATION OFFICE IN AUGUST.

>> SO WE WERE ON A TIGHT RAW TIGHT TIMEFRAME. >> LET US TAKE A SHOT AT PUTTING TOGETHER THE ORDINANCE AND THE DETAILS AND ALL THAT. WE'LL SEND IT OUT TO EVERYONE WE CAN TAKE OUR BEST TAKE OUR BEST SHOT AT A SPECIAL MEETING IF WE HAVE TO.

[12. SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE FOR A 2022 TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX REFERENDUM]

RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH.

ALL RIGHT. NO. THE NEW NUMBER TWELVE WAS

RESULT NUMBER 13, WHICH IS WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY ON THE AGENDA. >> SECOND READING OF AN AUDIENCE OF TWENTY TWO THOUSAND TWENTY TWO TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX REFERENDUM.

>> I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO TABLE THAT FOR AN UNDISCLOSED DATE.

[02:10:03]

>> MOTION I CAN SECOND IT. SECONDLY IS BRYAN EXCELLENT? WITHOUT OBJECTION WE WILL TABLE WELL NOW YOU DO NOT ON THE TABLE THAT HE WILL MEANS YOU WANT TO COME BACK WITH DURING

THIS MEETING. >> I WANT THOSE ON IT JUST FOR YOU GENTLEMEN POSTPONE AN

UNDISCLOSED DAY. >> I'M NOT SURE THAT'S RIGHT. I MEAN I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE. RIGHT. BUT DO WE REALLY WANT TO TAKE IT UP AT OUR NEXT MEETING? I DON'T KNOW IF WE DO OR NOT. I MEAN I'M NOT SO LONG, OK?

>> CORRESPONDENT IS IF YOU DON'T TAKE IT UP AT YOUR NEXT MEETING YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT

GONNA BE ABLE TO DO IT. >> IT'S TRUE. >> SO.

CAUSE WHERE WE ONLY HAVE ONE MEETING IN JULY UNLESS YOU ALL WANT TO CALL A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING IN JULY YOU WANT TO POSTPONE A TIME CERTAIN YOU HAVE TO GIVE US A TIME CERTAIN

NEXT MEETING. >> I LOVE IT. >> YEAH.

JULY 11TH. >> WELL THERE YOU GO. OK, CHECK.

YOU DID. I DID NOT. I DID.

SECOND OKAY WITH THAT. FOLLOW ME. >> RIGHT.

>> I DID. YEAH. YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE 11TH BRIAN ? YES I AM OK. YES I AM.

>> THANK YOU. WITHOUT OBJECTION. JAKE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR AT THE NEXT MEETING YOU HAVE THE GREEN BUILT FOR SECONDARY GREEN SPACE GREEN

SORT OF GREEN SPACE. >> GET IT RIGHT. RIGHT.

GREEN SPACE WITH SECOND READING. AND THIS WOULD ALSO BE IN CONSIDERATION FOR A SECOND READING. THAT'S CORRECT.

OK. THANK YOU. WITHOUT OBJECTION WE WILL APPROVE THE POSTPONEMENT OF WHAT IS NOW. ITEM 13 TO JULY 11TH MEANING

[13. PUBLIC HEARING AND SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTS AND PROVIDE FUNDING FOR THE PURCHASE OF REAL PROPERTY IDENTIFIED AS 36 HUNTER ROAD FOR THE HILTON HEAD ISLAND AIRPORT EXPANSION PROJECT (FISCAL IMPACT: PROPOSED PURCHASE PRICE $947,500; FAA VIA BIL AIG GRANT REIMBURSEMENT $814,500; AIRPORT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR $133,000 WHICH WILL BE PAID WITH ARPA FUNDS)]

BRINGING IT UP THE NEW NUMBER 14 WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTS, PROVIDE FUNDING FOR THE PURPOSE OF ROUTE PURCHASE OF REAL PROPERTY IDENTIFIED AS 36 HUNDRED ROAD FOR THE HILTON HEAD ISLAND AIRPORT EXPANSION PURCHASE PRICE NINE HUNDRED

FORTY SEVEN THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS. >> THE AA GRANT AN FAA GRANT IS 814 AND THE AIRPORT IS RESPONSIBLE 133. I HAVE A MOTION SOME OF WHICH IS FAVORABLE SECOND, THE PUBLIC HEARING WITH THIS WAS TO OUR SECOND WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING IS ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON WHAT'S NOW ITEM 14 ON THE AGENDA HEARING NONE WITHOUT OBJECTION WILL PASS WHAT IS NOW ITEM 14 MIGHT ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER TAKING THESE NEXT FOUR ITEMS ARE RELATIVELY STRAIGHTFORWARD JUST READ THEM INTO THE RECORD YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER DAGON ONE MOTION AND ONE VOTE ON THE NEXT FOUR ITEMS COUNTS.

>> REMEMBER RODMAN TAUGHT ME HOW TO DO THAT. THIS COMMITTEE WILL DREDGE UP MR. RODMAN'S APPROACH. WE NOW WE JUST APPROVED NO. 14 14 SETTLEMENT AFTER

[14. APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO SIGN NECESSARY DOCUMENTS WITH BEAUFORT MEMORIAL HOSPITAL (BMH) FOR THE FUNDING AND LAUNCH OF A PILOT PROGRAM TO ENHANCE THE NURSING WORKFORCE (FISCAL IMPACT: THIS PROGRAM IS FUNDED BY ARPA FUNDS- TWO YEAR PROGRAM COST OF $700,000)]

[15. APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO SIGN NECESSARY DOCUMENTS WITH BEAUFORT MEMORIAL HOSPITAL FOR MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES AT THE DETENTION CENTER (FISCAL IMPACT: $1,000,000 OF ARPA FUNDS; 3 YEAR INITIAL TERM CONTRACT WITH ANNUAL RENEWALS BY CONSENT OF THE PARTIES- BUDGETING $250,000 ANNUALLY)]

[16. APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE A LEASE AGREEMENT BETWEEN BEAUFORT COUNTY AND BEAUFORT-JASPER-HAMPTON COMPREHENSIVE HEALTH SERVICES, INC. FOR THE PROPERTY AT 6315 JONATHAN FRANCIS, SR. ROAD ($90,000: $18,000 ANNUALLY FOR A PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS)]

[17. RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION TO ACCEPT THE 2022 PALMETTO PRIDE LITTER ENFORCEMENT GRANT AWARD ($3,200)]

PROMOTION FOR 15, 16 AND 17 COMBINED IN 18 SO MOVED AND WITHOUT OBJECTION WHERE DID YOU

GET THE MAKE OR THE MOTION? >> OK, SECOND WITHOUT OBJECTION WE WILL APPROVE.

>> ITEMS 15, 15, 16 AND 17 AND 18 NOT 18. >> YEAH, I GUESS THAT'S THE NEW. OK. OH YEAH.

YEAH. OKAY. WE CAN DO 18.

>> ALL RIGHT. SO THE MOTION WAS TO APPROVE JOINTLY 15, 17 AND 18 WAS

[18. CITIZEN COMMENTS]

SECONDED. >> AND WITHOUT OBJECTION IT PASSES.

FAIR ENOUGH. OK, NOW WE'RE AT CITIZENS COMMENTS.

YOU FOLKS HAVE BEEN HERE ALL NIGHT. >> THREE MONTHS.

MY BACKGROUND IS INTERNATIONAL. AND I UNDERSTAND KNOW THIS OR NOT I LEARNED ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL THAT ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO MELROSE PLACE WAS SOLD. YOU ALL AWARE THAT YOU ARE YOUR BREAD HOLDINGS IN CHICAGO. YOU KNOW THAT THE STAKEHOLDERS KNOW CHINA LIVE FROM CHINA.

THANK YOU. >> ALL MATTERS HAVING BEEN BROUGHT BEFORE THIS BODY.

WE ARE A JURY. THANK YOU FOR CATCHING 18 DIFFERENT

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

Jun 27, 2022 County Council Regular Session

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