Jun 22, 2022 Town of Bluffton Planning Commission

[I. CALL TO ORDER]

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TRAINING MEETING TO ORDER GM INTO MY OFFICE. >> MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? ME HERE CHARLIE WHITMORE HERE JIM FLYNN YEAH.OR YOU'RE PUTTING

[III. NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT]

STATE YOUR NAME IS BEING FOR THE RECORD COMMENTS WERE LIMITED TO GREEN.

[V. ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA]

ANY DISCUSSION ON NOVEMBER 9? THANK YOU. ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES FROM

[VI. ADOPTION OF MINUTES]

[VII. PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA]

CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS EVENING. RIGHT.

MIKE RAYMOND. HOWEVER GANGULY OR TAMBO I'VE ONLY GOT THREE MINUTES SO WE'RE GOING TO. I'LL START WITH THE QUESTION WORDS SOUNDS BETTER TO YOU.

WE'VE TRIED FOR YEARS TO RECRUIT PRIMARY EMPLOYERS TO BLOCK BUT WE'VE NEVER HAD A SUCCESS OR RECRUITING PRIMARY EMPLOYERS. BLUFFTON HAS NEVER BEEN A PRIORITY. BUT WE SUPPORTED LOCAL BUSINESSES.

HOW DO YOU DECIDE WHAT THE CURRENT PLAN SAYS ON THE IT SAYS THIS THAT LESS THAN 17 PERCENT OF BLUFFTON PEONS WORK IN BLUFFTON. THAT SHOULD BE A FIVE ALARM BELL RIGHT THERE. WHERE DID THE PEOPLE WORK? ONE THIRD OF THEM ARE IN FOOD SERVICE AND RETAIL SECTORS. WE KNOW DON'T PAY GREAT WAGES. I DON'T GENERALLY OFFER CAREER ADVANCEMENTS. ANOTHER THIRD ARE IN THE PUBLIC SERVICE SECTOR GOVERNMENT JOBS WAGES PAID FOR BY OUR RESIDENTS. THAT ADDS NOTHING TO OUR ECONOMY. 20 YEARS AGO WHEN MY WIFE AND I MOVED HERE WE SAW BLUFFTON AS A TOURIST TOWN THAT WAS TRYING TO BECOME MORE OF A TOURIST TOWN AND AS YOU ADVANCE TO DECADES YOU FIND THAT WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL. WE ARE MORE AND INDEBTED AND MORE ADDICTED TO TOURIST DOLLARS TODAY WE'RE THE SAME BUT ONLY BAKER.

WE'VE BUILT UP MORE GROCERY STORES, MORE RESTAURANTS, MORE GAS STATIONS BUT WE HAVEN'T DONE ONE THING TO DIVERSIFY OUR ECONOMY OR PROVIDE FOR OPPORTUNITIES FOR JOB CAREER ADVANCEMENT FOR OUR RESIDENTS. WE HAVE A BIG PROBLEM IN THAT REGARD AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT OUR COMP PLAN ADEQUATELY ADDRESSES THIS. IN MY OPINION THE CHAPTER ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THIS COMP PLAN SHOULD BE ON PAGE 1 NOT ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTEEN. AND I SINCERELY HOPE THAT YOU COMMISSIONERS HEAR WHAT I'M SAYING AND IMPLORE STAFF TO TAKE A MUCH DEEPER DOVE ON THIS CHAPTER ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND FIND WHY OUR LEADERSHIP REFUSES TO GET SERIOUS ABOUT RECRUITING GOOD COMPANIES HERE BLUFFTON TO DIVERSIFY OUR LOCAL ECONOMY AND PROVIDE JOB OPPORTUNITIES IN REAL CAREERS AND HIGH PAYING WAGES FOR OUR RESIDENTS. SO THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME A

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>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE FOR FOR THE NEWER COMMISSIONERS JUST TO KNOW MR. RAYMOND WAS A TOWN COUNCILMAN FOR YEARS AND HE ALSO SERVES ON THE BOARD OF THE FIRE DEPART FOR DISTRICT . ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHERS I MEAN MEANING GOOD

EVENING. >> MY NAME IS CARMEN AVON MANNING AND I LIVE AT 111 QUARTER CASTING CIRCLE IN BLUFFTON. I DID SEND GOOD EVENING TO EVERYBODY AND THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR DONATING YOUR TIME.

I SENT A LONG LIST OF ITEMS TO CHARLOTTE MOORE EARLIER THIS WEEK AND THAT WAS AFTER MY FIRST READ THROUGH THE DRAFT PLAN. SO I HAVE THOSE QUESTIONS.

AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT IN PARTICULAR OF THE RECOMMENDATION F GOT 1 1 SAYS WE'RE GOING TO ELIMINATE ALL SEPTIC TANKS AND I WAS KIND OF SHOCKED BY THE STRONG LANGUAGE BECAUSE A PROPERLY DESIGNED AND FUNCTIONING SEPTIC TANK IS GREAT.

AND I UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE WITH BACTERIA AND THE LOADING TO THE RIVER.

BUT TO MAKE SUCH A BROAD STATEMENT I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE CAREFULLY WORDED.

JACK SECOND THERE WAS NO MENTION. YOU TALK ABOUT LEEDS AND LEEDS PROGRAMS BUT NOWHERE IN THE REPORT IS ANYTHING ABOUT THE EPA GREEN STREETS.

AND THAT'S A VERY GOOD PROGRAM. IN FACT, I UNDERSTAND WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING SOME REWORK ON CALHOUN STREET AND THERE'S A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO USE PERVIOUS PAVEMENT.

UNFORTUNATELY WE ALREADY BUILT THE REBUILT THOSE PARKS. THERE'S NO PERVIOUS PAVEMENT.

AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S NOT THAT NEW. I JUST LIKE MY DAUGHTER'S PLACE IN COLUMBUS. EVERY PARKING LOT IS PERVIOUS PAVEMENT SO WE SHOULD REALLY START USING IT HERE. LASTLY AND THIS ONE'S HARD TO PUT INTO WORDS.

BUT I GUESS MY PET PEEVE AROUND HERE I LOVE BLUFFTON. I LOVE THE FACT THAT WE MOVED HERE. BUT EVERY TIME I GO BACK WALL TO PLACE I CRINGE AND I STOOD ON THE CORNER WHERE CHEETOS IS AND I LOOKED UP AND THERE'S A YELLOW AND WHITE FACADE BROWN BRICK, RED BRICK GRAY WHITE AND ALL THE PLACES I GO ARE NICE COMMUNITIES, NICE LITTLE SHOPPING CENTERS, CUTE LITTLE SHOPS A PLACE WE CAN GET A CUP OF COFFEE.

YOU GET AN ICE CREAM, YOU CAN WALK AROUND ON A PATH AND GO TO PLACES JUST LIKE A GROUP OF KINDERGARTNERS WITH LEGOS AND LET'S SQUEEZE THINGS IN. THEY DON'T HAVE TO MATCH THIS AS LONG AS WE OCCUPY EVERY SQUARE FOOT. AND I DID LOOK AT THE PARK.

YOU KNOW, I GO THROUGH EVERY COUPLE OF TIMES A WEEK EVERY TIME I GO BY LOOK AT THAT PARK AND SAY IS ANYBODY IN THERE? AND I ACTUALLY SAW SOMEBODY AND THERE A WOMAN WITH TWO KIDS AND I WENT UP TO HER AND I SAID OH ,IT'S NICE TO SEE SOMEBODY USING THE PARK.

AND SHE SAYS OH TO SAY I'M ONLY HERE BECAUSE MY FATHER'S GETTING SERVICE GETTING

TREATMENT OVER AT CHANDLER AND I HAVE THE TWO KIDS WITH ME. >> SHE SAID HOW COULD YOU WALK HERE? SHE'S I HAVE A CARRIAGE. I HAVE THE KID.

I COULDN'T WALK HERE. SHE'S KNOWN AS IT WAS I HAD A PARK OVER BY KROGER.

>> SO I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO USE THAT WHEN YOU'RE APPROVING THESE PLANTS NAME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. THANK YOU.

[IX.1. Bluffton Assemblage (Street Naming Application): A request by John Giordano of Thomas & Hutton, on behalf of Development Associates, Inc., for approval of a street naming application. The applicant is requesting approval of the following street names to be used for the future development of Bluffton Assemblage. The subject property is zoned Residential General and consists of +/- 24.8 acres identified by tax map numbers R610 030 000 005A 0000, R610 030 000 0005 0000, R610 031 000 1568 0000 & R610 031 000 0088 0000, R610 031 000 1637 0000, R610 031 000 0046 0000, R610 031 000 0045 0000, and R610 031 000 0007 0000 located at the intersection of Buck Island Road & Ballfield Road (STR-05-22- 016737) (Staff - Dan Frazier)]

APPROVAL OF THE STREET NAMING APPLICATION JOE. >> THIS IS A STREET MAIN

APPLICATION FOR BLOCKING ASSEMBLY. >> THE REQUEST IS A REQUEST BY JOHN Q. GIORDANO THOMAS AND HOUGHTON ON BEHALF OF DEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATE SEEK FOR APPROVAL OF THE STREET NAME AN APPLICATION THAT CLIENTS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING STREET NAMES TO BE USED FOR THE PROPOSED FORTY SEVEN SENIOR LIVING COTTAGES AND FORTY THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT STRONG DESCRIPTION CERTAINLY IS THE SAME IF WE CHANGE IT DID

NOT ALTER REPORTED. >> IN THE MEANTIME JOHN CAN YOU SAY I THINK GIORDANO GERARDO.

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>> I CAN NEVER DO IT. I HAVE TO ASK YOU EVERY SINGLE TIME.

>> THAT'S GOING TO BE THE TOPIC. I'M SORRY.

THE REQUEST IS A REQUEST BY BY JOHN GIORDANO THOMAS AND HARDIN ON BEHALF OF DEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATE FOR APPROVAL STREET NAMING THE APPLICANTS REQUESTING APPROVAL THE FOLLOWING STREET NAMES TO BE USED FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT BLUFFTON ASSEMBLAGE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL GENERAL AND CONSISTS OF TWENTY FOUR POINT EIGHT ACRES

IDENTIFIED BY TAX MAP NUMBERS. >> WELL I'LL SKIP THE TAX MAP. IT'S ON BUCK ISLAND ROAD AND BALL FIELD ROAD. MOTOR TRIP BACK TO HERE APPLICATORS IS PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT 85 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PLOTS PER COMMENTS AT THE MAY 25 22 MEETING DRC.

>> THREE STATELY STREET NAMES ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE ADDRESSES FOR PROPOSED BUILDINGS THE STREET NAME AND APPLICATION WORDS REVIEWED AT THE MAY 25 22 VRC COMMITTEE WITH FOUR OF THE NINE PROPOSED STREET NAMES APPROVED FOR USE BY THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON, THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD AND BEAUFORT COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION.

ACTIONS ARE GRANTED BY THE POWERS AND DUTIES SET FORTH IN SECTION 2 TO 6 C FIVE OF THE JUDICIAL PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE AUTHORITY TO TAKE THE FOLLOWING ACTIONS THROUGH THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS OR DENIED THE APPLICATION AS AMENDED BY THE APPLICANT. THESE ARE THE TOTAL OF 10 CRITERIA THAT ARE LOOKED AT FOR STREET NAME AND APPLICATION FINDING FROM STAFF AND STAFF FINDS THAT THE PROPOSED NEW STREET NAMES ARE ACCEPTABLE AND MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF ARTICLE 3 OF THE U DEO. AS STATED ABOVE AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THE FOLLOWING NEW STREET NAMES AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT. THAT WOULD BE LOCKWOOD DRIVE SAWYER STREET PEYTON PLACE IN PART B ROAD. DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING TO THAT? I CANNOT ENTERTAIN MOTION FOR ANYONE TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING I JUST WANT.

JUST ONE THING. DAN, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR.

SINCE THE LAST TIME WE THE COMMISSION HAS REVIEWED THIS. LAST TIME WE GOT NAMES IN THERE THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT SOME OF THE NAMES BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY ALTERNATIVES.

THIS ONE THEY HAD NINE NAMES AND YOU YOU HAD A NUMBER OF THEM THAT WERE ACCEPTABLE THAT VERY FIRST PAGE THAT YOU SHOWED THE STAFF REPORT. THERE WERE STILL IT ACCEPTED ALL OF THE NAMES THAT WERE SUBMITTED. YET THERE IS AN AMBERLEY LANE VERSUS AN AMBERLEY DRIVE. THERE'S A COOPERS COURT COMPARED TO THE COOPERS CUT.

SO I'M GLAD YOU GOT MORE. I STILL AM STRUGGLING WITH HOW DID IT FIRST GET APPROVED? I KNOW YOU CAN'T ANSWER THAT. IT'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT DO IT.

I'M GLAD THAT YOU GUYS ARE GETTING MORE NAMES THAN WE ACTUALLY NEED SO THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY. SO THANK YOU. IT'S RECOMMENDED THEY PROVIDE THREE THREE NAMES PER STREET THAT THEY WANT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WAIT, I DO WHEN COMMENT THAT ARE YOU APPROVING IT? STAFF RECOMMEND OR RECOMMENDED ? WE NEED TO AMEND THE MOTION TO SAY THAT RATHER THAN APPROVE BECAUSE I THINK IF WE SAY WOULD JUST SAY APPROVE. DOES THAT NOT MEAN ALL OF THE ROADS WOULD BE APPROVED IN THANK YOU MR. DUNCAN AGAIN JUST FOR THE RECORD AS DO MUCH

PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. >> THANKS RIBAUT BRUCE HERE FOR DAN WALTON.

THE I THINK THAT IT WAS KIND OF IMPLIED THAT THE COMMISSIONER LED STATEMENT BUT IF YOU JUST WANT A MINUTE FOR THE RECORD THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE AS WELL.

THE APPLICANTS HERE STAFF IS HERE AND WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT IT'S INCORPORATED IN THE MINUTES. SO WHATEVER YOU DON'T WANT TO DO I MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE MOTION TO INCLUDE A STAFF RECOMMENDATION. THAT'S RIGHT.

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FAVOR. >> I KNOW NOW WE NEED TO APPROVE THE ORIGINAL.

JUST ME TO YOU I HAVE A MOTION TO PROVE THE ORIGINAL. WE ALREADY HAVE THAT.

SO I NEED IT. YEAH. WE JUST NEED A.

WE NEED A ON THE. I DON'T NEED A YOU DON'T NEED A NEW MOTION AND I NEED A VOTE.

[IX.2. May River Montessori (Preliminary Development Plan): The Applicant, Ward Edwards Engineering, is requesting approval of a Preliminary Development Plan. The project proposes to construct a new classroom building on a 0.65-acre lot adjacent to the May River Montessori main facility (DP-04-22-016574) (Staff - Dan Frazier)]

>> ALL IN FAVOR. OKAY. THANK YOU.

NEXT. UM BEING A FAN AS WELL MAY RIVER MONASTERY PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. WORD EDWARDS IS THE APPLICANT AND THEY ARE REQUESTING PROOF OF EMPLOYMENT AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE TO CONSTRUCT A NEW CLASSROOM BUILDING.

ON THE SAME CAMPUS ADJACENT TO THAT INTERVIEW THAT A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR MEMBERS OF MONTESSORI SOMEHOW APPLICANT REQUESTED OR EDWARDS ENGINEERING ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER MAY RIVER

MONTESSORI INC. >> IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROJECT PROPOSES THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW CLASSROOM BUILDING LOCATED AT 58 CALHOUN STREET ADJACENT TO THE MAIN RIVER MONTESSORI ITS EXISTING MAIN FACILITY.

THIS APPLICATION IS FOR PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN LOCATED WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER HD ZONING DISTRICT AND IS SUBJECT TO THE STANDARDS SET FORTH IN THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON.

YUKIO SUBJECT PARCELS LOCATED BETWEEN BRIDGE STREET AND LAWRENCE ROAD WITH ACCESS TO

THE PARCEL FROM CALHOUN STREET . >> PROJECT CONSISTS OF ONE TWO STOREY CLASSROOM BUILDING TOTALING FIVE THOUSAND SIX HUNDRED EIGHTY NINE SQUARE FEET AND CONTAINING FOUR CLASSROOM OFFICE TYPE SPACES ON EACH FLOOR FOR A TOTAL OF EIGHT CLASSROOM OFFICE TYPE SPACES. STAFF COMMENTS ON PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WERE REVIEWED

AT THE MAY 11 2022 MEETING OF THE DRC. >> THE APPLICANT PROVIDED A RESPONSE TO COMMENT AND UPDATED THAT TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS PROVIDED DUE TO THE PROJECT

BEING WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. >> THE PLAN WILL BE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE IN THIS PROCESS .

THIS IS AN AERIALS SHOWING THE PROJECT LOCATION WILL BE CLOSER UP FRONTING ON CALHOUN STREET BETWEEN LAWRENCE AND BRIDGE STREET. THIS IS THE SITE LAYOUT IF YOU GUYS NEED TO LOAD A CLOSER ZOOMED IN VERSION OF THIS I HAVE WANTED TO LET US SLIDE THAT WE CAN BRING UP THIS. THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN SUBMITTED FOR BUILDING A

SITTING ON THE FRONT ADDRESSING CALHOUN'S STREET. >> THERE IS A BRIDGE HERE THAT WILL RIDE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE MAIN FACILITY THAT IS TO THE SOUTH.

PLANNING COMMISSION SHALL CONSIDER THE CRITERIA SET FORTH IN SECTION.

READ TEN THREE A OF THE AUDIO INNOCENT IN ASSESSING AN APPLICATION FOR A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN THE APPLICABLE CRITERIA PROVIDED BELOW FOR FOLLOWED BY STAFF FINDINGS.

>> THESE ARE THE SIX CRITERIA PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE AUTHORITY TO TAKE THE FOLLOWING ACTION AND APPROVE THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT PROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS, TABLE THE APPLICATION OR DENY THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOUND SAFF FINDS THAT WITH THE CONDITIONS NOTED BELOW THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 3 10 3 A OF THE AUDIO WILL BE MET AND RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS MET PRIOR TO FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL. ONE IS AS THE SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER HD ONLY DISTRICTS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HD MUST BE APPROVED PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF BUILDING PERMITS FOR THE STRUCTURE AND THAT'S PSEUDO SECTION 3 1 8 2 PER SECTION 5 3 7 A ONE OF THE AUDIO PROVIDE LARGE CANOPY STREET TREES

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THE SUGGESTION MOTION IS PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVES APPLICATION WITH THE CONDITIONS NOTED BY STAFF PLANNERS AND WE WANT TO SPEAK JAPANESE MORE TIME AND BLAYNEY BEFORE EDWARDS

ENGINEERING. >> THANK YOU ALL. AND DAN, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. AS YOU MENTIONED, IT'S IT'S AN EXISTING ESTABLISHMENT AND ADJACENT PARCEL AS ARTIFICIAL TURF GRASS AREA KIDS USE THAT FOR BODY.

PARDON ME, MADAM CHAIR, IF THE APPLICANT WOULD BE SO KIND AS TO SPEAK TO MIKE BOETTCHER.

SO FOLKS, THAT MIGHT BE WHY SOMEONE CAN HEAR YET AGAIN FOR THE RECORD, THE NAME IS CONNER BLANEY WITH BOARD EDWARDS ENGINEERING AND MICROPHONE. LIFT UP A LITTLE BETTER NOW.

>> I SAID GOT DR. BEN NOBODY'S MEANT THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT IT'S AN EXISTING ESTABLISHMENT RIVER MONASTERY. THE EXISTING SCHOOL USES THE ADJACENT PARCEL FOR OUTDOOR PLAY SPACE FOR THE KIDS. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF SIGNIFICANT LARGE TREES ON SITE WHICH RESULTED IN THE PROPOSED BUILDING LOCATION CLOSER TO CALHOUN STREET IN AN EFFORT TO PRESERVE THOSE TREES. A COUPLE OF THE CONDITIONS I DO WANT TO HOPEFULLY SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ARE ELABORATE ON ONE OF WHICH WAS REQUIRING A LARGE CANOPY TREE EVERY 50 FOOT LONG CALHOUN STREET WITH THE BUILDING'S LOCATION.

THERE'S THERE'S LIMITED SPACE DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND WITH SOME OF THE CALHOUN STREETSCAPE EFFORTS I KNOW THAT THE OVERHEAD POWERS I THINK INTENDED TO BE UNDERGROUND WHICH WOULD BE IN CONFLICT WITH THE CANOPY TREE THERE.

>> MAY I SUGGEST THAT THE CANOPY TREES BE LOCATED ON EITHER END OF THE BUILDING WHICH WOULD BE OVER 50 FEET? HOW LONG IS THAT BUILDING AND YOU'VE SAID IT IS OVER 50 FEET.

>> ROUGHLY 70 FEET BUT NOT EXACT KIND OF ONE OF COURSE SINCE I WAS SOME STAFF.

>> AND IT WASN'T REALLY CLEAR TO ME. I HAVEN'T SEEN THE SCHOOL DURING NORMAL TIMES AND PEOPLE DROPPING OFF AND PICKING UP THEIR KIDS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW CROWDED IT GETS AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MORE STUDENTS ROUGHLY WERE ADDING I THINK IT SAYS FOR CLASS SLASH OFFICE PER FLOOR. SO A CLASS OF FOUR OFFICERS IS AN EIGHT CLASSROOMS THAT WE'RE ADDING AND ROUGHLY IS IT 20 KIDS PER CLASS? YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS FOR YOU UNFORTUNATELY. I BELIEVE A LOT OF IT'S FLEXIBLE SPACE TO HELP THE

EXISTING SCHOOL AS THEY ARE CURRENTLY AT CAPACITY. >> I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL CAPACITY IF ANY THIS WILL ADD BUT ADDITIONAL CLASSROOM SPACE AS PART OF THE

STRUCTURE. >> I KNOW THAT THE MAIN RIVER MONTESSORI IS PLANNING ON ADDING TWO INSTRUCTORS TO HELP WITH THE ADDITIONAL BUILDING. PLEASE.

OK. FIRST OF ALL A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT HOPEFULLY

SOMEBODY HAS THE ANSWER TO HOW MANY CLASSROOMS ARE THERE NOW? >> I DON'T HAVE THAT.

HOW MANY STUDENTS ARE THERE NOW? WE DON'T HAVE THAT.

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SAYS THAT A MONASTERY CLASSROOM HAS BETWEEN 28 AND 35 STUDENTS. >> OK.

IF WE'RE PUTTING LET'S CALL IT SIX CLASSROOMS AND THEY'RE IN TWO OFFICES, LET'S TAKE 30 IS

AN AVERAGE. >> THAT'S THREE TIMES SIX. THAT'S AN EXTRA HUNDRED AND EIGHTY STUDENTS THAT WE'RE ADDING TO IT. AND TO PIGGYBACK ON WHERE I THINK WHICH WAS GOING, YOU GOT LET'S SAY EACH CAR THAT SHOWS UP HAS TWO STUDENTS PER CAR.

YOU'VE GOT AN ADDITIONAL 90 CARS COMING THERE FOR DROP OFF AND PICKUP EVERY DAY.

>> AND I HAVE SEEN THAT TRAFFIC PATTERN AND YOU HAVE CARS PEGGED ALL THE WAY DOWN GREEN STREET AND ALL THE WAY DOWN CALHOUN STREET TO THE RIVER AND IT CREATES A TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE IN THE STREET AND BRIDGE STREET AND YOU HAVE TO IF YOU ARE NOT PART OF THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC AND YOU TRY TO GET THROUGH, YOU HAVE TO GO THE OTHER WAY DOWN THE STREET.

>> IN ORDER TO GET THROUGH THAT AREA NOW IN THIS ADDITIONAL CLASSROOM SPACE IT'S MAJOR CONCERN TO ME ON TRAFFIC FLOW TRAFFIC IMPACT. THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES TOO.

BUT THAT'S THAT IS MY MAJOR ISSUE IS WE'RE ADDING A LOT OF STUDENTS HERE.

THE OTHER ISSUE RELATED TO IT IS THIS IS A SEPARATE LOCK CORRECT FROM THE OTHERS.

IT IS A SEPARATE PARCEL BUT THE SAME OWNER I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF HAS HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAN LET THEM PUT PARKING SPACES ON A DIFFERENT LOT.

WE HAVE A SHARED PARKING WELL. >> HERE'S MY CONCERN. LET'S PLAY LET'S PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE. WORST CASE SCENARIO, SOMETHING HAPPENS WHERE A MEMBER OF A MONASTERY DECIDES THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE OUT OF TOWN AND THEY'RE GOING TO SELL THESE LOTS IN THE FUTURE. ONE OF THESE LOTS DOESN'T HAVE PARKING SPACES SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT. SO IT WOULD ALWAYS IT WOULD ALWAYS STAY WITH IT.

OK. OK. ON THE PART OF THE STAFF THERE ON THAT ONE. BUT GENERALLY THAT'S THE WAY IT IS THE BEST WAY.

AND THE IDEA WAS WRITTEN THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE YOUR PARKING ON ANOTHER WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE A SHARED PARKING EASEMENT AGREEMENT OR IF IT'S THE SAME OWNER THEY'RE FLEXIBLE OWNERSHIP STRUCTURES YOU CAN MAKE THE THREE YOU CAN TRANSFER AS WITH ANY SORT OF PROFIT.

THAT'S THAT'S GOOD. YES, SIR. >> MY UNDERSTANDING IS BASED ON THE IDEA THAT ONLY 40 PERCENT IS ALLOWED TO BE SHARED PARKING WITH AN ADJACENT PART OF THE 40 PERCENT WHEN YOU HAVE DIFFERENT USES THAT ARE KIND OF WORDS TOGETHER.

>> AND SINCE THIS IS THE SAME PROPERTY SAYING CURRENTLY THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER BUT IN THE FUTURE HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING THEY RIVER MONASTERY SELLS IT OFF TO TWO DIFFERENT OWNERS.

>> THEY THEN WOULD WE HAVE POTENTIALLY TWO DIFFERENT USES THAT AND THAT.

>> SO LIKE IF A RESTAURANT WENT THERE THEY'D HAVE TO FIGURE HOW TO PARK IT ALL IN THEIR LOT.

YES. >> SO THEN THAT WOULD BE COMING BACK AND THEY WOULD BE COMING BACK TO US LIKE IF THEY USE CHANGES AND IT CHANGES SOME OF THE PARKING SIGNIFICANTLY.

>> IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO US TO MR. DUNCAN IF I MAY OR COMMISSIONER WHAT MORE I'M JUST TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION WE'RE ASKING AND MAYBE PUT HIM IN FOR THE PEOPLE WHO

ARE AGAIN WATCHING HER IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT. >> SO I GUESS THE CONCERN IS YOU HAVE YOU HAD THESE TWO LOTS AND THEY MAY RIBAUT MONTESSORI THAT THE MAIN STRUCTURE THAT WE ALL KNOW ABOUT THAT'S BEEN WHAT I'M JUST CALLING THE WHAT A YES IT IS EXPANDED AND CONSIDERATION OF PARKING THAT'S GOING TO BE LOCATED ON BLOCK BETTY LOCKERBIE.

SO NOW YOU HAVE ESSENTIALLY A NONCONFORMING LOT A. YOU WON'T HAVE WORKING FOR THAT ONE. IS THAT A CONCERN? THAT WAS MY CONCERN BUT IT WAS

ALLEVIATED WITH AN ASSET AGREEMENT. >> SO THE SHAREMARKET EASEMENT AGREEMENT IS DESIGNED TO DO THAT. THERE ARE SOME YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN WORK OUT JUST TO TRY TO ALLEVIATE THAT AS WELL.

AND IT'S THE SAME EITHER SHARE PARKING EASEMENT AGREEMENTS ARE TYPICALLY DONE WHEN THEY'RE NOT THE SAME OWNER BECAUSE YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE EASEMENTS BETWEEN THE SAME OWNER. SO THERE ARE THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO TRY TO ALLEVIATE THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT IT REMAINS TIED FOR PARKING PURPOSES TO THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT. GOING BACK TO THE FIRST QUESTION THE NUMBERS OF STUDENTS AND NUMBERS OF CARS IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WITHIN OUR PURVIEW THAT WE CAN GET SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THAT OR IS THAT SOMETHING I'M NOT PREPARED TO MAKE A DECISION ON THE POSITIVE UNTIL WE GET SOME OF THE DATA MYSELF. BUT THAT'S I MEAN THAT'S EACH OF OUR DECISIONS AND I'M ASKING STAFF IS THERE ANY OTHER WAY TO CLARIFY THIS?

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BUT YOU KNOW THAT THE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION OR THAT'S OBVIOUSLY AN ISSUE OF CLARIFICATION BECAUSE I JUST HEARD THAT THERE ARE TWO NEW EMPLOYEES THAT ARE THERE BEING THAT AND I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WAS CALCULATED INTO THAT TOTAL PARKING. I WAS GONNA AND PARTY ELDERS RECOMMENDED REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE TO GIVE A PHYSICAL LIKE VIEW OF ALL THE PARKING SPACES LIKE ON ONE MAP SO WE COULD SEE WHERE A HOLE AS A WHOLE COMPLEX AND THE TWO EMPLOYEES IS A LITTLE BIT OF A DISCOUNT NOBODY FOR ME BECAUSE IF WE'RE ADDING EIGHT ROOMS WE'RE ADDING TWO INSTRUCTORS. SO ARE THEY REALLY OVERSTAFFED EXISTING THAT ARE GOING TO SPREAD OVER THERE? DOES THAT MAKE A LOT OF SENSE HOW THAT WORKS?

>> IF I MAY. SO PARKING THE TWO ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTORS WERE ACCOUNT IT WHEN WE COUNTED THE EXISTING PARKING BOTH EXISTING INSTRUCTORS AND THE ADDITIONAL

TWO PROPOSED NEW INSTRUCTORS TO BE ADDED. >> PER THE UTICA WE ANALYZED IT

PARENTS DIRECTORS. >> I'D BE HAPPY TO GET IN TOUCH WITH MAJOR MONTESSORI AND HAVE SOME MORE EXACT NUMBERS ON A NUMBER OF EXISTING CLASSROOMS AND STUDENTS.

I KNOW THAT THE INTENTION OF THIS WAS TO GAIN MORE SPACE NOT NECESSARILY MORE STUDENTS BUT UNFORTUNATE. I DON'T HAVE EXACT ANSWERS ON THAT BUT THAT AGAIN WAS THE INTENTION BEHIND THE PROPOSED BUILDING. YEAH ASK THEM WHAT THEIR CAPACITY IS OR WHAT THEIR CUT OFF LIMITS RIGHT IS KIND OF A STRETCH SETTING UP HERE TO HERE A BUILDING THERE'S GONNA BE SIX THOUSAND SQUARE FEET WITH EIGHT ROOMS AND TWO EMPLOYEES YOU

KNOW. >> SO I THINK I THINK NOW CLARIFICATION ON WHAT'S THERE NOW HOW MANY TEACHERS ARE THERE, WHAT THE PLAN IS WILL HELP US TREMENDOUSLY IN FIGURING THIS OUT. NOW THE TWO ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEES AREN'T JUST TWO

EMPLOYEES FOR THAT BUILDING. >> IT'S TWO ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEES IN ADDITION TO THEIR

CURRENT STAFF TO BE SPREAD ACROSS BOTH BUILDINGS. >> THEIR CURRENT STAFFING IS 30

. >> THANK YOU. AND SO THE TOTAL STAFF BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS AFTER THE PROPOSED BUILDING TO BE 32. WHAT'S THE DISTANCE TO THE NEAREST HANDICAPPED PARKING SPACE FROM THE ENTRANCE? I DON'T HAVE THAT OFFHAND.

>> I BELIEVE THE DROP OFF IN FRONT ENTRANCE THE MAIN FACILITY WILL STILL REMAIN WHERE THE KIDS ARE DROPPED AND WHERE THAT HANDICAPPED SERVES IN EXCESS OF ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY FEET CORRECT FROM THE EXISTING BUILD THE EXISTING HANDICAPPED PARKING SPACE TO

THE PROPOSED ENTRANCE ON THIS BUILDING. >> I DON'T HAVE THAT DISTANCE NOW AND AND A HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE FROM THAT HANDICAPPED SPOT TO THIS

BUILDING I'D HAVE TO FURTHER ANALYZE THE EXISTING SITE. >> ALL PROPOSED PAVING THAT WE

ARE DOING ON THIS PLAN WOULD BE ADX ACCESSIBLE. >> THE ELEMENTARY PLAN SO THEY'LL HAVE ALL THAT IN THE FUTURE PRESS I'D HAVE TO ANALYZE THE CONNECTION BACK OFF THE PROPERTY TO ANSWER SPECIFICALLY GO INTO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY I'M GOING TO TRY AND DIRECT US A LITTLE BIT AS FAR AS IF WE CAN LOOK AT THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE KNOW THAT NUMBER ONE I THINK IT APPROPRIATE THIS IS FOR THE ARCHITECTURE FOR HISTORIC DISTRICTS THAT WE KNOW THAT THEY CAN'T GO FORWARD IF IF THAT'S NOT APPROVED EITHER THAT'S A CONDITION OF ANOTHER APPROVAL AND THEN HE EXPLAINED THE CANOPY STREET TREES WHAT IS WHAT PEOPLE'S THOUGHTS OR FEELINGS AS FAR AS HIS JUSTIFICATION WITH THE TWO

TREES ON EITHER END? >> ANYONE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT OR ARE THEY OK WITH HIS

SUGGESTION? >> I'M HAVING A HARD TIME THINKING ABOUT THAT UNTIL I GET TO THE CLARIFICATION. IS THIS A MAIN STREET OR IS THIS A CIVIC BECAUSE THAT

AFFECTS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND AGENDA SET BACK DOESN'T IT? >> YEAH.

SO HOW DO I KNOW FOR YEAH YOU KNOW MAYBE I'M JUMPING AHEAD IT'S ALMOST LIKE HARD TO ANSWER

THAT TRICK QUESTION SIR. >> THAT QUESTION I GOT IT AND THAT'S YOU KNOW THE FOUNDATION PLAN KIND OF GOES TOGETHER SO DO YOU KNOW IF THIS IS TRULY A CIVIC BUILDING OR BECAUSE YOU

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>> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS BEING PROPOSED AS A CIVIC BUILDING.

BUT THE ARCHITECT IS GOING TO LEAD THAT AND ADDRESS THAT AS PART OF HPC.

YES, I'M GETTING PIECES. ALL RIGHT. I COMMISSIONERS MY THOUGHT PROCESS ON THIS AND LOOK, I'VE GOT FRIENDS THAT ARE OVER MAIN RIVER MY STORY I LOVE THE SCHOOL. I DON'T THINK THIS IS TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN MAKE A DECISION ON IT ANY MORE INFORMATION OR IF WE IF WE TABLE IT AND I'M I'M LOOKING AT YOU NOW IF WE TABLE IT WE CONTROL WHAT HAPPENS TO IT AND WHETHER WE EVER PULL IT OFF THE TABLE. NOW MOST LIKELY WE WILL IF YOU WITHDRAW IT AND COME BACK TO US YOU HAVE MORE CONTROL OVER THE PROCESS. TELL YOU WHAT TO DO.

JUST TALKING ABOUT OPTIONS AND MANAGING MAYBE IF YOU DO SO CHOOSE TO TABLE IT.

>> PLEASE PROVIDE SOME DIRECTION AS TO WHAT SPECIFIC ITEMS YOU'RE ASKING STAFF TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS. IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT IT'LL BE BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING JUST BECAUSE IT MIGHT TAKE TIMES TO GET ALL THIS INFORMATION COMPILED. BUT GUIDANCE THAT WE NEED TO GET THE INFORMATION TOGETHER FIRST AND THEN BE ABLE TO GET IT BACK ON THE AGENDA TO YOU. SO JUST ASK THAT YOU BE SPECIFIC IN WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR FOR US TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON THE DOES

EVERYONE OR ARE SOMEONE OBJECT TO INFORMATION? >> DO WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION? DO WE NOT? LYDIA, WHAT DO YOU THINK? I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO REVIEW IT TODAY. I DON'T THINK SO EITHER.

I CAN DO MORE ON THAT. OK, SO GO AHEAD. I WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW THE APPLICATION OF . SO NOW WHAT DO WE CALL THAT IF THE FBI HAS WITHDRAWN THE APPLICATION THEN THERE IS NOTHING FOR THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER.

>> OK. SO IF YOU CAN'T TAKE ACTION ON THE APPLICATION THAT HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN. AGAIN MOVING FORWARD I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE AND THE APPLICANT OBVIOUSLY IS HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER ON BEHALF FAVORITE LONG STORY IS WITH THE ENGINEERING FIRM MAUD EDWARDS AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THE JOB PROVIDES SOME FEEDBACK TO AUDIT WORK SO THAT THEY CAN ADVISE MAYBE HIM ON A STORY ACCORDINGLY PARTICULAR I DON'T KNOW WHY. ITEM NUMBER FOUR ABOUT THE TIME THE DISCONNECT BETWEEN WHETHER THIS IS BEING PROPOSED ON THE THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN SIDE IS A CIVIC BUILDING BUT IS ON THE HPC OVER IT. IT IS GOING FORWARD IT LOOKS MORE LIKE A MAINSTREAM BUILDING TIME AND THAT'S A THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE RESOLVED OR ELSE YOU'RE GETTING ONE ITEM YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME ISSUES IN THE FUTURE AFTER ALL ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS ARE PAID FOR AND ANOTHER THE EXPENSE OF THAT PROCESS HAS GONE THROUGH SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NO APPLICATION PENDING AT THE MOMENT BUT I THINK WE NOT THE NEXT ITEM. SO I THINK IT WORTHWHILE. I THINK WE COULD GIVE DIRECTION

FOR A MINUTE RIGHT NOW. >> ABSOLUTELY SOME OF OUR CONCERNS THAT MIGHT HELP.

DID YOU WANT TO GO DO THAT STARTING AT THE MAY? THE MAIN I THINK I THINK THE APPLICANT ALREADY KNOWS. MY MAIN CONCERN IS TRAFFIC FLOW .

I HESITATE TO USE THIS BUT IT'S LIKE WE HAVE A CHICK PLAY IN THAT PART OF OLD TOWN.

OKAY. TRAFFIC FLOW. HOW MANY MORE STUDENTS? HOW MANY STUDENTS ARE THERE CURRENTLY? SO WE GET A FEEL FOR IT STAFF THAT'LL HELP US TO HAVE A COMFORT LEVEL WITH BEING ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.

UNDERSTOOD. AND SPECIFICALLY I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT FOR EXISTING STUDENTS PROPOSE STUDENTS. AND AND IF IF THE SCHOOL IS IS BOUND AND DETERMINED TO DO THIS, HOW WOULD THEY MANAGE THE TRAFFIC FLOW? THEY COULD MANAGE IT BY DIFFERENT START AND STOP TIMES IF THEY SO CHOOSE.

SO I WOULD LIKE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION LIKE CHARLIE HAS SAID.

THE OTHER THING I'D LIKE YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH FOCUS ON TREES NOT JUST JUMPING OUT WELL 70 OR 80 FEET GOOD. SO I REALLY LIKE YOU TO LOOK HARD WHEN YOU DECIDE THE CIVIC VERSUS MAIN STREET. YOU KNOW, I REALLY LIKED THE IDEA OF HAVING THE TREES ON THE STREET OR REPLANTING THEM. SO IT'S AGAIN I WOULD SAY THAT'S A THAT'S A YOU KNOW, A BOMB. BUT I'D REALLY LIKE TO HAVE YOU.

OKAY. ABSOLUTELY. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE HAS BEEN AN ARBORIST REPORT OR IF THERE'S A PLAN TO HAVE AN ARBORIST REPORT.

BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION AS YOU'RE EVALUATING WHICH BUILDING TYPE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO USE. I KNOW A LOT OF THE APPLICATION

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SO I THINK AS WE'RE EVALUATING STREET TREES, EXISTING TREES AND THE BUILDING TYPE FOOTPRINT AND SETBACKS, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND THE CONDITION OF THOSE THE LIMB STRUCTURE AND ANY FOUNDATION OR CONSTRUCTION RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THOSE AS WELL.

>> I'M ALL SATISFIED. >> I AGREE WITH RICH ON THAT. I THINK THAT I JUST REITERATE PROVIDE THAT PARKING PLAN AS PERTAINS TO THE ENTIRE SITE AND BE SURE TO ADDRESS THE ACCESSIBLE PARKING AND WALKWAY TO THE ENTRANCE WITHIN THE APPROPRIATE FEET.

>> THAT HAS TO BE THERE IS ANOTHER ONE TO MAKE. >> OH, ONE OF CHARLIE'S GOT TO TALK MR. COMMISSIONER, WHAT COMMENT REGARDING THE TRAFFIC YOU TO GO DOES OUTLINE ON THAT DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT THE ROADS NEED TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT AND SO I DON'T THINK IT CURRENTLY IS SUPPORTING THE DEVELOPMENT WELL.

SO THEY'VE ALREADY GOT A PREEXISTING ISSUE THAT THEY'RE CAUSING.

SO THEY SHOULD BE LOOKING TO RESOLVE THAT THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

AND LIKE YOU SAID, I THINK THAT THERE'S IT'S NOT NECESSARILY AN INFRASTRUCTURE IT CAN BE IN PROGRAMING AND IN TERMS OF HOW THAT'S DEALT WITH AND IT MAY NEED TO BE AN AGREEMENT THAT'S DRAFTED SO THAT IT CAN'T BE CHANGED AT A LATER DATE. MORE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO BE REVIEWED AT A LATER DATE POTENTIALLY JUST SO THAT THERE'S A LOT OF BUSINESS OWNERS CALHOUN STREETS GOING THROUGH A MAJOR RENOVATION. AND I DON'T I DON'T WANT THIS TO BECOME A PROBLEM FOR OUR OLD TOWN AS IT CONTINUES TO EXPAND. SO I'M CATHOLIC, RICHARD.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU HEAR SOMEONE CATHOLIC SAID AS FAR AS LIKE THE PROGRAMING OF HOW THE SCHOOL LET IT OUT, WHATEVER. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PRESENT PART OF OUR PURVIEW TO SAY THAT NEEDS TO BE INCORPORATED IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN?

>> THE ACTUAL TIMING OF SCHOOL IT'S A IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD GET TO BE HONEST I'M TRYING TO THINK OF AN ARGUMENT THAT YOU CAN MAKE TO JUSTIFY THEM.

I THINK OBVIOUSLY THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS AND THE PATTERNS AND SAFETY.

BUT YOU ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT APPLICANT CAN CONTROL THEIR THEIR OWN DECISION MAKING AND THEIR HOURS AND WHAT WORKS FOR THEIR STAFF AND WHAT WORKS FOR THEIR STUDENTS A LITTLE TRYING TO AVOID TOO MUCH REGULATORY OVERSIGHT ON OUR END.

LET ME THINK ON THAT BECAUSE I IT'S GOING TO BE A KIND OF COMPLEX BALANCING VENTURES INTERESTS. MR. ICAHN BROUGHT UP A QUOTE. HE WANTED A QUESTION OF CLARIFICATION BECAUSE I THINK THERE MAY BE SOME UNCERTAINTY AS TO WHAT I INTERPRETED AS A WITHDRAWAL WAS MR. IGER INTERPRETED AS WITHDRAWAL AND MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED FURTHER. BUT IS THE APPLICATION BEING COMPLETELY WITHDRAWN TO THE JOB OR CAN WE DISMISS NEW APPLICATION OR ARE YOU WITHDRAWING IT JUST FROM CONSIDERATION FOR TONIGHT AND WHAT CONTINUE FORWARD WITH THE APPLICATION AS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED? I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION TO HOPEFULLY ADDRESS ALLEVIATE THE CONCERNS BROUGHT FORTH.

IF YOU WITHDREW COMPLETELY THEN HE HAD TO START ALL TO START OVER FROM SCRATCH.

WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT JUST TO DETERMINE THE TERMINOLOGY USED.

WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHAT I WOULD CALL IT. WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS? IT'S AN APPLICATION WITH ADDITIONAL VIOLATION BUT IT'S BEEN HEARD AT A LATER DATE.

>> YES. SO THAT'S COMPLETELY FINE WITH THAT.

I JUST TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS CLEAR ON ON ALL PARTIES THAT I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION AND THIS PERTAINS KIND OF THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE ARCHITECTURE TO THE STREET.

>> AND I THINK YOU SAID IT WILL GO THROUGH BOFA BEFORE IT'S APPROVED AND THAT WILL THAT LOOK AT. HERE'S HERE'S THE GENESIS OF MY THOUGHT PROCESS OF WHY I'M CONCERNED AND PERHAPS THEN YOU CAN SPEAK TO HOW COPEL MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THIS.

WITH THE THREE BUILDINGS THAT JUST WENT OVER UP OVER AT THE OLD ECCENTRICITIES I THINK 70 CAL HAD ONE 71 CALHOUN AND IT'S BECOME A VERY UNPOPULAR IT'S BEEN A SORE SUBJECT FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN ON CALHOUN STREET CALHOUN STREET.

TYPICALLY IT WAS ALWAYS DEVELOPED WITH LARGER BUILDINGS SET BACK ON THE STREET, SMALLER BUILDINGS AT THE ST. TYPICALLY AT MORE CLOSER TO THE CORNERS. SO THIS BEING POTENTIALLY A CIVIC BUILDING, A LARGE BUILDING OF GREAT PROMINENCE POTENTIALLY TWO STORIES RIGHT

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THEY WERE A MAIN STREET BUILDING TYPE. >> SO IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT YOU HAVE A MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT. TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED SQUARE FEET . THEIR PLANS PROPOSED OVER TWENTY NINE HUNDRED SQUARE FEET SO THEIR BUILDING WAS TOO BIG EVEN IF THEY WERE CLASSIFIED AS AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE.

AS YOU GUYS REMEMBER WE DID A VIDEO IN TO RESTRICT THE OVERALL MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT'S ALLOWED FOR THE LARGEST BUILDING TYPE THAT'S ALLOWED AND THAT'S ONLY DETROIT WHICH REVERTS BACK TO THE MAIN STREET WHICH IS THE 20 500 SQUARE FEET.

SO THAT'S THE CONFLICTING INFORMATION WE HAVE. WE'VE GOT TO GO FOR THAT SAY THE MAIN STREET BUILDING TYPE. WE'VE GOT A CIVIC BUILDING THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN SO THEY NEED TO MESH TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S BEEN DEVELOPED. WHEN YOU DO THAT THE CIVIC BUILDING AND THEN YOU'RE GOING INTO A MORE GRAND GRANDIOSE TYPE OF BUILDING LARGER FEATURES TYPICALLY BUILDINGS ARE PUSHED BACK MORE PROMINENT YOU KNOW, HIGHER BUILDINGS NOT WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED THROUGH THERE. THEIR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATION RIGHT NOW.

SO THAT'S THE THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE IS THAT THAT THE ENGINEERING SIDE AND THE ARCHITECTURE SIDE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE CONSISTENT IF THEY DO DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A MAINSTREAM BUILDING, THEN THEY NEED TO REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING THAT THEY'RE BEING PROPOSED RIGHT NOW. AND YOU CANNOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS TO HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. EXACTLY. SO IF THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE MAINSTREAM REDUCE BRING IT BACK, SHOW IT AS MAIN STREET MOVE FORWARD WITH THE COFFER AS MAIN STREET BASED OFF OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT'S BEEN APPROVED AT THE PRELIMINARY.

BUT EVEN IN THAT PROCESS THEY RECTIFY ALL THAT WHETHER IT'S CIVIC BUILDING IT COULD.

YES. THAT THEN WOULD PROBABLY THAT WOULD SHIFT IT FURTHER BACK.

BUT IF IT STAYS AS A MAIN REBUILDING AND IT STAYS WHERE IT IS EVEN IF IT SHRINKS IN SIZE, THEY DON'T HAVE TO PUSH IT BACK FURTHER FROM THE STREET AND THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY SHRINK THE HEIGHT OF IT. THEY HAVE TO MEET THE DESIGN STANDARDS CHAPTER 5 SO THAT EACH BUILDING TYPE HAS ITS OWN SET BACK REGULATIONS AND ITS BUILDING HEIGHT REGULATIONS.

IT'S JUST WITH CIVIC THERE'S A MAINSTREAM BUILDING. THERE'S SPECIFIC FEATURES THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE. SO LIKE TO YOUR POINT IS IT THE CIVIC BUILDING? IT'S GRANDIOSE. BUT WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE THE TREES.

THOSE TWO THINGS DON'T MESH NECESSARILY TO ME BUT IF HE'S SHOWING CIVIC THEY HAVE TO SHOW CIVIC AND SO THEN WHEN THEY SHOW CIVIC TO HPC IT HPC MIGHT SAY THAT'S JUST NOT IN SCALE AND KEEPING WITH THE CONTEXT OF CALHOUN STREET. SO THEY HAVE THAT PURVIEW.

WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE OVERALL LAND PART OF IT BUT THEY WILL LOOK AT THE VERTICAL THAT DOES IT MAKE SURE IT MEETS THESE CONDITIONS AND MAKE SURE IT MEETS THE INTENT OF THE DISTRICT. OK. SO THEY MAY SEE THE CIVIC DOESN'T MEET THE INTENT. I MEAN I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO SAY.

BUT THE MAIN STREET BUILDING TYPE WOULD STILL ALLOW IT TO GO TO STOREYS UP STRAIGHT RIGHT

WHERE IT'S SHOWN ON THE PLAN IN TERMS OF ITS PRICE. >> BUT LARRY, WHAT KEVIN SAID IS LIKE WE'RE SETTING THE TONE. SO IF WE SAY NO MATTER WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED.

TREES ARE A BIG PRIORITY THEN THAT'S SETTING A TONE SAYING OK, HOPEFULLY THEY ARE THINKING ABOUT HEIGHT AND WHAT THAT DOES TO THOSE TREES. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PROVIDE AN ARBOR SUPPORT GROUP IF THEY PROVIDE AN URBAN SUPPORT NOT GIVE WHICH SHOULD GIVE THEM CLUES. AND SO THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING WHEN THEY'RE REVIEWING IT, THEY CAN'T I GUESS PEOPLE AREN'T YOU CAN'T BEFOREHAND BEFORE THEY SUBMIT IT SAY NO YOU CAN'T DO THAT. YOU HAVE TO I'M I I FEEL LIKE MY WHAT I'M ASKING THE WITH BEING WHAT WHAT THE RESPONSE IS NOT WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. I'M HERE.

I THINK YOU'RE CATCHING THAT WHEN I'M ASKING IS IT CAN GO TO STORIES UP RIGHT WHERE IT'S

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SO NOW ONLY BUILDINGS CAN HAVE A 20 500 SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT. SO THAT THE SIZE IT'S GOING TO BE IT'S GONNA BE SMALLER BY A THOUSAND AND A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOTPRINT.

WHAT LENGTH OF THAT BUILDING HAVE THE ECCENTRICITY BUILD BUILT? I'M GOING TO 71 CALHOUN STREET. WHAT IS THE LENGTH OF ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS AND WHY YOU

NEED JUST ONE OF THOSE OR THE WHOLE OR BOTH? >> I THINK IT'S 90 FEET FROM WHAT I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER BUT I MEAN THIS IS 70 SO WHERE IT'S ALREADY GOING TO BE SMALLER THAN WHAT THAT IT NEEDS TO BE REDUCED DOWN EVEN MORE THAN IF THEY DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD

WITH THAT MAIN BUILDING SITE. >> YOU READ THE CHART WITH THE BUILDING TYPES.

SO THE MAIN STREET BUILDING BY RIGHT IS TWO TO TWO AND A HALF STORIES.

RIGHT? IN THE CIVIC IS TWO STORIES. BUT IN CIVIC IF YOU READ THE DEFINITION LIKE HE WAS SAYING IT'S MORE GRANDIOSE. IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE PRETTY BIG BIGGER THAN I DO AND A HALF STORY. YOU WHAT I MEAN.

SO NO MATTER WHAT THEIR THERE'S GONNA BE UP THERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING BUT THE HPC IF THEY SEE SOMETHING LARGE THAT'S IN THE TREE CANOPY THAT THEY DON'T AGREE WITH THIS AND BE A DETRIMENT TO THE TREE THEY CAN PUSH BACK ON THAT AND SAY HEY, MAYBE YOU NEED TO SCALE THIS DOWN OR STEP IT DOWN OR WATCH THE MASSING OR SOMETHING.

BUT WE CAN'T SEE INTO OUR RELATIONSHIP TO THE EXISTING TREE CANOPY NOT TO PROPOSE

CREATE THIS TREE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT. >> I'M IT MY CONCERN IS THAT THE RELATIONSHIP OF THIS BUILDING TO THE STREET WELL ACCORDING TO THE UDA AND LIKE YOU CAN ONLY YOU YOU'VE GOT TO GIVE YOU THE RULES OF WHAT RELATIONSHIP ON THE STREET ARE.

>> SO IF THERE WAS A REASON LIKE THERE WAS A TREE YOU'RE TRYING TO SAVE OR GO AROUND OR

WHATEVER THEN YOU COULD GO FOR A VARIANCE ON THOSE. >> THAT'S RIGHT.

THINGS LIKE THE DIFFERENT PROCESS. YES.

BUT IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, A REASON FOR NOT ADHERING TO THE SETBACKS ON THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS BRINGING THIS UP, I JUST DON'T WANT A REPEAT OF WHAT HAPPENED ACROSS THE STREET. I DON'T THINK ANYONE DOES. YEAH.

AND THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING THIS UP. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING IF WE'VE GOT LEGS AND WHAT LEGS YOU KNOW WHAT MEANS WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS BECAUSE I'M I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT COLLINS STREET AND HOW DEVELOPED AND BEING DEVELOPED AND THAT'S WHY WE NEED CLARIFICATION ON WHAT THIS BUILDING IS, WHAT THE FOOTPRINT IS.

I DON'T DICTATE THE SETBACKS THAT'LL DICTATE THE BUILDING TYPE AND THEN WE'LL UNDERSTAND BETTER. BUT RIGHT NOW I UNDERSTAND NONE .

I ENJOYED IT. YEAH I GET ALL YEAH. YEAH.

OK, EVERYBODY ELSE GOOD. THAT'S ALL WE NEED. ALL RIGHT.

[X.1. Workshop Regarding Blueprint Bluffton, an Updated Long-range Comprehensive Plan for the Town of Bluffton – Kevin Icard, Director of Growth Management]

SO THANK YOU. I HOPE TO SEE YOU SOON. >> OK, THANK YOU.

OK. SO NOW THE NEXT ITEM IS FOR DISCUSSION.

IT IS A WORKSHOP REGARDING THE BLOCK BLUEPRINT BLUFFTON AN UPDATED LONG RANGE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE TOWN LUPTON. KEVIN , YOU'RE GOING TO INTRO

THAT? >> I AM. AND IF YOU COULD JUST BEAR WITH ME FOR ONE SECOND HOW MANY INFORMATION AND KATIE WAS HERE LISTENING THE WHOLE TIME SO SHE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT TO LOOK OUT FOR. ALL RIGHT.

GOT IT. RIGHT. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN.

>> SO WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING FOR A WORKSHOP. OH, HOLD ON A SECOND.

I'M STILL STUCK ON WE'RE HERE FOR A WORKSHOP. >> IT'S A ACTUALLY A REQUIRED WORKSHOP FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS SINCE MARCH APRIL LAST YEAR. WE'VE HAD VARIOUS STEERING COMMITTEES, STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS. WE'VE MET WITH TOWN COUNCIL ON VARIOUS OCCASIONS. WE ACTUALLY HELD A WORKSHOP ABOUT TWO OR THREE MONTHS AGO WITH TOWN COUNCIL JUST TO GIVE THEM AN UPDATE ON KIND OF WHERE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS

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PETER? SO HE'S ONLY GOING TO GO THROUGH SO KIND OF WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW ON THE DRAFT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE SOME COMMENTS FEEDBACKS I WOULD ASK AND WE'VE ALREADY TALKED TO EVERYONE WE ARE GOING TO PROPOSE A SPECIAL MEETING ON JULY 13TH. THIS WILL GIVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR ANY ANYONE TO FIND OUT ABOUT THIS AFTER THE FACT AFTER THIS MEETING THAT THEY STILL CAN ATTEND CAN STILL PROVIDE COMMENTS TO IT. AND THEN OUR GOAL TONIGHT IS TO KIND OF FOCUS ON SOME HIGHER LEVEL ITEMS. SO IF YOU COULD IF YOU HAVE IF YOU LIKE IF THERE'S A LIKE I WOULD LIKE FOR THIS PICTURE TO BE CHANGED TO THIS, LET'S LET'S SAVE THOSE FOR IF YOU COULD PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO US ON A JUST KIND OF LIKE ON ON

YOU KNOW IN A SEPARATE EMAIL. >> YEAH THAT'D BE WONDERFUL. OR YOU NOTICE SOME FREE MEDICAL ERRORS THAT WE HAVEN'T CAUGHT. PLEASE. YOU KNOW LET'S LET'S TRY NOT TO FOCUS ON THOSE ITEMS THIS EVENING. LET'S STICK WITH.

OUR GOALS OBJECTIVES AND THEN YOU KNOW HOW WE'RE GONNA GET THERE.

SO OUR ACTION ITEMS. SO I GUESS WITH THAT I'M GOING TO PASS IT ON TO KYLE.

THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE AN OPEN DISCUSSION BUT I'LL LET HIM KIND OF TAKE OVER AND THEN ALL OF US ARE GONNA BE TAKING NOTES GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS. SO THAT WAY IF YOU DO HAVE ISSUES, WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HELP HIM GET THESE CORRECTED.

OK. >> KEVIN , THAT WAS A NICE CLEAN SECONDS.

THANKS EVERYONE. APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY. >> AS I'VE SAID THIS MY NAME'S KYLE MAY. I'M THE SENIOR ASSOCIATE WITH THEM CASCADE.

WE'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE HERE OVER THE LAST YEAR PLUS TO HELP FACILITATE THIS PROCESS DEVELOP

A NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THIS COMMUNITY. >> IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITY FOR US I THINK TO HAVE THIS AUDIENCE THIS EVENING.

>> WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO INITIATE THIS CONVERSATION WITH YOU ALL.

IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO DEVELOP AN OBJECT IN A PROCESS LIKE THIS.

>> THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAVE WORKED THROUGH 700 PLUS COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT WE'VE SPOKEN WITH A NUMBER OF STAKEHOLDERS THAT HAVE BEEN

INVOLVED. >> OF COURSE OUR STEERING COMMITTEE AND LAST AND CERTAINLY NOT LEAST OUR STAFF AND THEIR INVOLVEMENT AS WELL AND JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO ALL THOSE PARTIES THAT HAVE BEEN A PARTICIPANT IN THIS WORK THUS FAR.

>> THIS ONGOING WORK THUS FAR THIS HAS BEEN A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY FOR ME AND FOR OUR TEAM TO REALLY GET TO KNOW BETTER THAN THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON ON THE WAY AND IT'S NOT LOST ON ME. THE LITTLE POSTCARD OUTSIDE SAID IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE. IT TRULY IS. I THINK YOU ALL KNOW THAT.

HENCE THE CONSIDERATION AND DEVELOPMENT HENCE THE CONSIDERATION OF EVERY DECISION THAT IS MADE HERE. BIG, SMALL OR OTHERWISE THERE'S A REAL FEEL FOR THAT.

YOU ALL DO A TREMENDOUS JOB AND ARE TO BE COMMENDED FOR THAT. AS I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW THIS IS A LONG PROCESS WITHOUT THE DISRUPT YOU KNOW THAT WE'VE ALL GONE THROUGH OVER THE LAST 40 EXCUSE ME 24 MONTHS WITH THE COVE ID IT'S DON'T US AN ADDITIONAL CURVE BALL HERE AND

IT COMES ESPECIALLY TO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. >> WE'VE WORKED REALLY HARD THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS TO BE CREATIVE, TO BE COMMITTED TO INVOLVING THOSE VOICES IN THE

WORK. >> IT'S NOT EASY RIGHT NOW WHETHER YOU'RE IN BLUFFTON OR WHETHER YOU'RE IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY TO DO THAT ASPECT.

BUT WE'VE WORKED REALLY HARD TO BRING THOSE FOLKS AND RELIED HEAVILY ON ON STAFF AND ON STAKEHOLDERS, ON PEOPLE JUST LIKE YOU TO HELP US TO HELP US TAILOR THIS WORK.

>> SO I WANT TO THANK THOSE FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED. >> AS YOU ALL KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN PROCESSES LIKE THIS COMMISSIONERS AS THIS ROLE OR AS A DIFFERENT ROLE.

>> THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY COMMITTEE LIKE YOURS TO TO ASK THEM BIG QUESTIONS RIGHT.

SOUTH CAROLINA AND GEORGIA AND OTHER STATES AROUND HERE QUITE UNIQUE IN THE SENSE THAT THE STATE ASKED YOU TO DO THIS REGULARLY. OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY.

THAT'S NOT THE CASE. >> BUT WE THINK IT'S A GREAT HABIT TO GET INTO AS A COMMUNITY AND NOT JUST BECAUSE WE DO THE WORK BUT BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF RESULTS IT CAN TRULY LEVERAGE AS YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT DID 10 YEARS MEAN HERE OF GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT.

>> MY AGENDA FOR TODAY IS QUITE SIMPLE. I WANT TO QUICKLY RUN THROUGH HOW WE GOT HERE AND REALLY OPEN UP SOME CONVERSATION. AS KEVIN MENTIONED SMALLER

COMMENTS. >> I'M HAPPY TO TAKE AND COLLECT IN WHATEVER FORM YOU

WANT TO BRING THOSE TO US. >> COMMISSIONER WHETHER IT'S EMAIL, IT'S PHONE CALL HAVE YOU WE ARE ABSOLUTELY OPEN. I THINK AT THIS MOMENT TO TAKE WHAT YOU'VE GOT I'D LIKE TO OPEN DISCUSSION TODAY AND FOCUS ON SOME HIGHER THINGS. I COULD TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT STRUCTURE, HOW WE ARRIVED AT WHERE WE ARE TALKING LIVE ABOUT THRUST AND WILL WHERE WE PUSH HARD OTHER AREAS IN THE CHAPTERS WHERE WE'VE WE'VE LANDED IN DIFFERENT PLACES.

>> BRING THROUGH THAT BUT ALL REALLY IN THE SERVICE OF BEGINNING A NEW CONVERSATION HERE THIS TIME AS I MENTIONED AROUND AN OBJECT. SO WE WORK HARD TO DEFINE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW IN THIS PROCESS AND THEN ALONG WITH YOU TWO EXPERTS IN THE COMMUNITY SEEK TO REFINE THAT WORK. SO AGAIN, VERY EXCITED TO DO THAT.

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>> I'M NOT GOING TO BELIEVE THIS. I'VE GOT SOME SLIDES HERE REALLY. I THINK MORE FOR THE RECORD MEASURES YOU ARE WELL AWARE OF HOW THESE PROCESSES WORK. I DID JUST WANT TO POINT OUT OUR GENERAL ARC AND TIMELINE

TIME FRAME FROM TASK TO TASK SIX. >> SURELY WE SHOULD BE STRADDLING 5 AND SIX AT THIS MOMENT BECAUSE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF REFINING THIS

DOCUMENT LEADING TOWARD AS WE HOPE AN EVENTUAL ADOPTION. >> YOU ALL KNOW WHY WE PLAN BECAUSE GREAT COMMUNITIES PLAN . YOU'RE A GREAT COMMUNITY.

IT'S AN ACT OF STEWARDSHIP. IT'S AN ACTIVE VISIONING. IT'S AN ACTIVE INVOLVING YOUR COMMUNITY AND IN THE MOST CRITICAL DISCUSSION WHICH IS WHERE ARE WE GOING TO BE IN THE

FUTURE? >> YOU ALSO KNOW AND AGAIN THIS IS FOR THE BROADER RECORD FOR THOSE TUNING IN YOU HAVE SOME REQUIRED ELEMENTS THAT ARE PART OF YOUR PLANNING PROCESS.

YOU'RE THE STATE ACCOUNT. SOUTH CAROLINA. YOU'LL SEE THOSE REFLECTED IN

THE ORGANIZATION. >> WE HAVE ALSO SOME STRATEGIC FOCUS AREAS THAT HAVE EMERGED FROM THE WORK THAT WAS PART OF OUR COMMUNE ENGAGEMENT PROCESS.

>> YOU KNOW YOU'RE GROWING I HOPE LABOR ANY OF THESE FACTS AND TOWN GROVE OF COURSE

PHYSICAL GROWTH GOES ALONG WITH THAT. >> AS I PRESSED THE WRONG BUTTON. APOLOGIES. I JUST WANT TO STOP HERE AND FLASH THE VARIOUS INPUTS INTO THIS WORK. IT WILL BE IT WILL BE A POOR PRODUCT. IF IT WERE JUST MY OPINIONS AND THOUGHTS THAT WENT INTO SOMETHING LIKE THIS GOD FORBID OR JUST OUR TEAMS OR EVEN JUST OUR TEAMS AND STAFF AND WE REALLY WORKED HARD THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE THEY WERE TRULY MULTIPLE STREAMS RUNNING INTO THIS RIVER AND EVENTUALLY INTO THIS.

>> THIS DRAFT THAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU TODAY SO THAT STAKEHOLDERS WHETHER THAT'S YOU KNOW, TORNADOES CAUSING US TO HAVE COMMUNITY WORKSHOPS OVER VIDEO OR THROUGH SOME OF OUR ENGAGEMENT THAT WE HAD IN PERSON AND ONLINE AS WELL LOTS OF DIFFERENT FORMS AND THEMES THAT CAME UP THROUGHOUT THE WORK WHICH I HOPE YOU SEE REFLECTED IN SOME FORM

THROUGHOUT THIS. >> OBVIOUSLY WE'LL GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE IN GREAT DETAIL BUT SOME SOME QUICK HIGHLIGHTS . HOUSING IS AS IS A CRITICAL CONCERN AMONG AMONG YOUR COMMUNITY. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE OVER OUR PLANNING HORIZON? LOTS OF REFERENCES AND AND TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE GREEN ASPECTS OF YOUR COMMUTE? I THINK YOU KNOW THAT QUITE WELL THAT INTERACTION BETWEEN THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT AND THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT REALLY MAKES UP THE DNA OF THIS PLACE AND WE'RE EXCITED TO HEAR THAT. AND OF COURSE AS I WANT TO QUICKLY THANK MISS MANNING AND MR. RAYMOND FOR THEIR COMMENTS EARLIER MR. RAYMOND HIT THE NAIL QUITE ON THE HEAD THERE.

WE TALK ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND OPPORTUNITIES. MISS MANNING, I APPRECIATED THE COMMENTS AROUND RESILIENCY AND ALSO THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT WHICH WERE SO IMPORTANT AS WE ARRANGE ARE OUR WORK HERE AND I SAY WE I MEAN OUR STAFF STEERING COMMITTEE AND THE PLANNING TEAM GOING FROM BROAD TO TO SPECIFIC WE THINK ABOUT THE GOALS THAT INFORM EACH

OF THESE TOPIC AREAS. >> WE THINK ABOUT MEASURABLE OBJECTIVES THAT SUPPORT THOSE AS PILLARS. AND LASTLY IN THIS WORK WE TRY VERY HARD TO GET AT SOME POINT TO A PROJECT OR POLICY THAT BEGINS TO SUPPORT THIS WORK IN AN ONGOING WAY.

THAT BOTTOM PIECE THOUGH IS ALL AS YOU ALL KNOW HAVING DONE THIS WORK, YOU KNOW FROM YOUR FROM YOUR POINT RIGHT NOW OR MAYBE IN THE PAST THAT THIS IS THE PIECE THAT REQUIRES THE MOST INTERPRETATION WORK OVER TIME, YOU KNOW, WITH THE BEST COMPREHENSIVE PLANS THAT WE SEE AROUND THE COUNTRY SET THAT BROAD DIRECTION AND SAY IT VERY LOUDLY THIS IS WHERE WE'RE

HEADED. >> THEY SUPPORT THAT WITH GOALS THAT ARE WE DECIDE IS A MEASURABLE STRATEGY STATE INQUIRY EXCUSE ME A MEASURABLE OUTCOMES EXPRESSED SIMPLY BUT THEN AS THEY WORK THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS THEY EXPERIMENT THEY MOVE ALONG AND DEVELOP

PLANS THAT WORK. >> AND I'LL LEAVE THE VISUAL HERE ABOUT WHERE WE THINK WE ARE AT THIS MOMENT OF FOLDING IN THE DATA, THE INPUT, THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE AS A TEAM TO TO TECHNICALLY ANALYZE YOUR COMMUNITY THROUGH GSK AND OTHER MEANS WITH WHAT WE'VE HEARD THROUGH STAKEHOLDERS IN THE COMMUNITY BRINGING THOSE TWO TRACKS TOGETHER, TRYING TO REPRESENT THOSE TWO PIECES THE INTUITION AND THE TECHNICAL REALITY AND THE DATA THAT

SUPPORTS THAT. >> THAT'S WHERE WE THINK WE ARE AT THE MOMENT.

>> BUT I TRULY LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR COMMENTS AND I'LL LET YOU KNOW THAT I TOLD CHARLOTTE AND

KEVIN THIS I WANT BE A SPONGE THIS EVENING. >> SO WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO OFFER, WE WANT TO CONSIDER THAT TAKE THAT IN, ORGANIZE THAT AND MAKE THESE EDITS IN A TIMELY

AND ABSOLUTELY REASONABLE WAY. >> SO WITH THAT I'LL SKIP AHEAD SOME OF THESE COMMENTS GO STRAIGHT INTO OPENING UP SOME DISCUSSION. KEVIN CHARLES IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE ME TO TOUCH ON SOME? ABSOLUTELY.

I APOLOGIZE TO CHARLIE. DO YOU WANT TO START WITH ANYTHING OR DO YOU WANT HIM TO DO ANYTHING? WELL, I MEAN I GUESS THE QUESTION IS DID YOU WANT TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE WHOLE THING OR DO YOU WANT US TO START IN ON SOME OF OUR

FEEDBACK SURELY? >> I WOULD I COULD DO I THINK VERY QUICKLY.

COMMISSIONER SPEAK JUST GENERALLY TOO. WE'VE BEEN CALLING THIS THE WHEEL ON THE COMPASS. I'M NOT SURE THE RIGHT WAY TO REFER TO IT BUT OUR GENERAL ORGANIZATION OF THE DOCUMENT WHICH IS SAYING THIS CASE IS LITERAL TO ONE STATE WORKS THROUGH IT. THERE'S NO REAL HIERARCHY. I THINK THE ORGANIZATION, THE

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HIGHLIGHTS OF THE TECHNICAL FINDINGS. >> WE WERE COACHED THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS TO CREATE A DOCUMENT THAT IS DIGESTIBLE THAT'S READABLE FOR AVERAGE FOLKS THAT LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY OR FOLKS THAT ASPIRE TO LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY INVESTMENTS COMMUNITY. SO WE REALLY TRIED IT WITH IN EACH TOPIC HIT ON THE HIGHEST POINTS THE KEY KEY FACTS AT THAT POINT WE WANTED TO GET TO WE CALL THIS THING AN ACTION

AGENDA. >> THERE'S NO WAYS DISCUSSING IT BUT A LIST OF POLICIES OR INDEED PROJECT THAT HELPED US SUPPORT THE THE OVERRIDING GOAL WITHIN EACH OF THOSE CHAPTERS.

SO WHEN THERE WAS ECONOMY NATURAL RESOURCES, THERE'S A FAIRLY CONSISTENT ORGANIZATION

THROUGHOUT. >> I'LL SAY THE ONE CHAPTER COMMISSIONER THAT IS A BIT OF AN OUTLIER HAS TO DO WITH LAND USE AND THAT'S AN AREA WHERE YOU ALL KNOW THAT YOU HAVE SOME OF THE MOST CONTROL OVER YOUR COMMUNITY WHEN IT COMES TO ZONING, WHEN IT COMES TO THE PROCESS THAT YOU'RE INVOLVED WITH OR INDEED HISTORIC ASPECTS AS WELL.

>> WE SPEND SOME TIME THERE. THINK ABOUT THE PRINCIPLES FOR FUTURE GROWTH.

WE THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. OF COURSE THAT'S NOT A LEGAL OBJECT BUT IT'S A WAY OF CONSIDERING THE MOVEMENT OF INVESTMENT OVER TIME.

>> SO THAT CHAPTER A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHERS TAKES A HAS A COUPLE OF OBJECTS ONE OF WHICH IS THAT FUTURE LAND USE MAP HAS SOME CONSIDERATION ABOUT CATEGORIES FOR

DEVELOPMENT. >> AGAIN NOT ZONING DISTRICTS BUT A WAY OF DEFINING SOME OF THE THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S OCCURRED NATURALLY IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT IS TRULY TREASURED AND SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD OCCUR IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT MAY BE AN AMALGAM OF DIFFERENT TYPES AND FORMS THAT HAVE POPPED UP IN DIFFERENT PLACES AND COLLECTED OR APPLIED. BUT IT'S ASPIRATIONAL IN NATURE THAT IS ARTICULATED IN THAT PARTICULAR CHAPTER ONE I WOULD POINT OUT THOUGH YOU KNOW OF IMPORTANCE I THINK TO THIS COMMUNITY IN PARTICULAR AND ONE THAT I WANT TO THANK THE STAFF ESPECIALLY FOR THEIR ASSISTANCE

ON HAS TO DO WITH CULTURAL RESOURCES. >> YOU KNOW, YOU'RE A COMMUNITY OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLES, A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES. THERE'S A LOT OF DIVERSITY HERE IN THIS IN THIS COMMUNITY AND THROUGH THAT CULTURAL RESOURCES, THE WORK OF STAFF TRIED TO ORGANIZE REALLY TRYING TO REFLECT ALL THE ASSETS THAT ARE HERE.

HOW DO THOSE THINGS CELEBRATE? HOW ARE THEY LIFTED UP AND HOW FRANKLY HOW ARE THEY LEVERAGED IN THIS COMMUNITY TODAY IN AN ONGOING WAY? SO THAT CHAPTER IS PARTICULARLY HEAVY IN THE SENSE THAT THOSE ARE SOME AREAS WHERE YOU REALLY HAVE A LOT OF CONTROL AS A TOWN TO LEAN IN AND TO DO WORK. SO THAT'S THE BROAD OVERVIEW AND I'LL STOP THERE AND CERTAINLY TAKE ANY QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS OF CHAIRWOMAN IF I MAY.

>> FOR WHAT MORE? >> GARDNER I'M USED RICHARDSON .

YOU SHOULD BE BY NOW. >> THEY WANTED ONE OF THE THINGS I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP AND JUST REMIND JOEL AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND THIS IS JUST THE WORKSHOPS YOU DO HAVE TO MAKE THE DID THE RESOLUTION AND DEBATE ONCE YOU HAVE A FINAL PRODUCT. BUT THE SOUTH CAROLINA CODE ACTUALLY SETS FORTH THIS REQUIREMENT AND REQUIRES PLANNING COMMISSIONS LIKE THIS ON THE COMMISSIONS TO REVIEW THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN EVERY FIVE YEARS AND CREATE A NEW ONE EVERY TEN YEARS.

AND THE LANGUAGE IN THE CODE IS TO ENSURE THAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS JOAN MAKING OR AN EXPRESSION OF A WISE AND EFFICIENT USE PUBLIC FUNDS, FUTURE GROWTH DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT OF THE AREA OF YOUR JURISDICTION AND CONSIDERATION OF THE FISCAL IMPACT ON THE PROPERTY OWNERS. SO WITH ALL OF THESE PLANNING ELEMENTS WHEN YOU'RE REVIEWING THOSE ARE SOME KEY DIRECTIONS THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE FOCUSING ON.

NOW EVERYTHING IS UNIQUE TO YOUR JURISDICTION AND YOU NEED TO THE DAN WHELDON AND IT'S PAINSTAKINGLY PUT OUT AND FILLED OUT HERE. AND I JUST WANTED REMINDED ALL OF THAT. SO YOU KIND OF HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT YOUR OVERVIEW IS.

AND WHAT REALLY SHOULD BE SOME OF THE KEY FOCUSES WHEN YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THIS.

SO I WILL NOT SPEAK FOR THE REST. >> BUT I'D LIKE YOU TO RESTATE THIS KEY POINT BUT IF YOU DON'T MIND ALREADY ALREADY GETTING BACK ON A PROMISE DON NICE AND EFFICIENT USE OF PUBLIC FUNDS, THE FUTURE GROWTH DEVELOPMENT AND THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA OF YOUR JURISDICTION AND CONSIDERATION OF THE FISCAL IMPACT ON PROPERTY OWNERS.

>> SO THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE AN EXPRESSION OF YOUR OPINIONS ON WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN TO THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON TO MEET THOSE WITH THOSE THREE CONSIDERATIONS IN MIND AND THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE SCHEDULED ENCOMPASS ARE ALL PART OF THOSE MANDATORY LAND PLANNING ELEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE INCORPORATED WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE THE CONSULTANTS AND STAFF HERE AND LOOK FORWARD TO

HEARING YOUR COMMENTS IN THE AREAS. >> ONE MORE QUESTION TOO.

IS THERE ANY STATUTE THAT TALKS ABOUT DEADLINE WHEN THIS NEEDS TO BE COMPLETE OR ARE WE WORKING AGAINST THE DEADLINE THAT WE'VE IMPOSED UPON OURSELVES THERE?

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>> THERE AREN'T AT MONTHS SO THE THE DEADLINE IS A LITTLE BIT.

IT'S NOT CLEAR IF YOU HAVE ADOPTED IT ON SEPTEMBER 1ST 20 .

>> WELL, IT HAS TO BE A NEW ONE BY SEPTEMBER 1ST 20 22. BUT NOTICE IT'S THE 10 YEAR PLANNING PROCESS BUT YOU NEED TO ADOPT IT BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT WILL THIS IS WHAT GOVERNS

ALL THE OTHER DECISIONS. >> SO WHEN YOU MAKE A PLANNING DECISION, WHEN YOU ARE APPROVING THE ELDERLY PLAN FOR A UTILITY, ONE OF THOSE CRITERIA THAT YOU'RE ALWAYS CONSIDERING IS IS THIS IN CONFORMITY WITH YOUR CONFERENCE OR PLAN? SO YOUR COMPREHENSIVE GLANCES. WE WANT A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.

>> LET ME CLARIFY THIS. DOES THIS HAVE TO BE DONE BY US ON JULY 27 TO MEET SOME SPECIFIC DEADLINE WHERE TOWN COUNCIL HAS TO APPROVE IT BY? I'LL MAKE IT UP NOVEMBER 1ST.

I WILL. I MEAN TURN THAT OVER TO STAFF BECAUSE THEY HAVE AN IDEA BETTER OF WHAT THOSE TIMEFRAMES ARE. I THINK FROM LEGISLATIVE STANDPOINT NOW FROM A CONTRACTUAL STANDPOINT, YES. CONTRACTUAL YES.

OKAY. SO WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH NASA AND THAT I BELIEVE WAS ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN. BUT IT'S BEEN EXTENDED BECAUSE OF THE VARIOUS ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD DEAL WITH COATED WITH TORNADOES, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE THINGS.

SO FROM A CONTRACTUAL STANDPOINT WE HAVE TO THEY HAVE TO GET US A PRODUCT AND THAT WE'VE GOT TO GET IT THROUGH THE PROCESS. SO NOW WITH THAT STATEMENT I'D ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT RICHARDSON SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERY FIVE YEARS YOU HAVE TO DO AN UPDATE BY THE CODE . THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN'T GO BACK AND MAKE ADDITIONAL CHANGES TO THIS DOCUMENT AT ANY TIME. SO YOU KNOW, I ALSO WANT TO KEEP YOU KEEP THAT IN MIND. SO IF THERE ARE SOME MINOR ISSUES THAT MAY NEED TWEAKING, WE HAVE EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO WORK ON THAT EVERY MONTH. IF WE WANTED TO I DON'T THINK THAT WE COULD USE OUR TIME. BUT YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO THAT. SO YOU KNOW, I THINK THE GOAL IS IF THERE ARE SOME SOME ISSUES THAT THAT DON'T GET RESOLVED BUT CAN BE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT WE KNOW OF THAT WELL WE CAN WE ARE STAFF AND COME BACK IN AND DO MINOR EDITS TO THE DOCUMENT. WE CAN DO THAT. SO YOU KNOW, OUR GOAL IS TO GET YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A CONTRACT SO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THEY PROVIDE A DOCUMENT.

WE PAY THEM TO DO THE WORK. AND THEN IF THERE'S ANY OTHER THINGS THAT KIND OF COME UP BECAUSE IT'S A LIVING DOCUMENT. SO THINGS THAT COME UP THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS, WE CAN DO THAT. AND ON A STAFF LEVEL WE CAN DO THAT.

SO IT WOULD NOT HAVE TO GO BACK TO COUNCIL FOR EVERY CHANGE WE MAKE.

WELL, YES, YES. I MEAN COUNCIL STILL HAS TO SAY SO.

SO THAT'S SAYING LOOK, YOU KNOW, WE CAN WE CAN WORK ON OVERTIME.

>> WE CAN WORK ON IT FROM A COMMERCIAL STANDPOINT OF ANY CHANGES THAT ARE NECESSARY.

AND THEN WE COLLECT ALL THOSE TOGETHER AND THEN PACKAGE IT AT ONE TIME TO GIVE TO TOWN.

>> WELL, RICHARD RICHARDSON, YOU TOOK ABOUT HALF OF WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.

>> THANKS FOR THAT. NOW I I JUST WANT THE REST OF COMMISSIONED TO KNOW THIS AND TO UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M COMING FROM WHEN I'M ABOUT TO SAY WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY.

>> I HAD THE PLEASURE OF SERVING TOWN COUNCIL IN 2007 WHEN WE DID THE LAST FULL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND AS RICHARDSON SAID, THIS IS ACTUALLY A CRITICAL DOCUMENT.

IT'S A GUIDING DOCUMENT FOR EVERYTHING WE DO. IT SETS FORTH WHAT WE HAVE IN STUDIO. IT SETS FORTH AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS CHECKED AGAINST THIS DOCUMENT FOR ACCURACY, FOR INTENT. AND IT'S IT'S KIND OF US DECIDING IN HANDING OFF TO COUNCIL WHO MAKES THE ULTIMATE DECISION WHERE THE TOWN IS HEADED. WITH THAT SAID, I I'VE GOT IN STAFF I KNOW WHO IS READY TO MAKE NOTES AND YOU'RE READY TO MAKE NOTES. DO WE HAVE THE DOCUMENT WHERE WE CAN SCROLL TO CERTAIN PAGES BECAUSE I CAN GIVE PAGE NUMBERS AND CONCERNS AND SUGGESTIONS.

WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO THIS? >> PLEASE GO ON PAGES. OKAY.

THE AND SOME OF IT WAS MINUTIA THAT THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED AT A DIFFERENT TIME.

>> THE FIRST CONCERN I HAVE AND IT'S BECAUSE IT KIND OF SETS THE TONE FOR THINGS ON PAGE 2 12 SORRY UNDER PLANNING CONTEXT IN THE SECOND PARAGRAPH IT TALKS ABOUT AND IT DOES THROUGHOUT THIS DOCUMENT IT TALKS ABOUT BLUFFTON BEING ONE SQUARE MILE PRIOR TO THE LATE

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MILE WAS IN NINETEEN EIGHTY SEVEN. >> IT WASN'T IT HAPPENED IN NINETEEN NINETY EIGHT IS WHEN THE PROCESS STARTED I THINK THE FIRST ANNEXATION WAS IN NINETY

NINE. >> IT MAY SEEM LIKE SOMETHING LITTLE BUT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHERE THE TOWN WHERE THE TOWN STARTED AND THE MAP ON PAGE 13 THAT SHOWS THE 1987 THROUGH

2000. >> NOW THAT'S OK THAT THAT WAS A MISTAKE ON MY PART.

>> THERE'S A LITTLE CONFUSION IN MY MIND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE 10 STATE GUIDELINES.

IT'S 10 CHAPTERS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE HER SAY AND THE WHEEL HAS NINE ITEMS ON IT.

>> I GET THE INTENT THERE NINE ITEMS AND THEN HERE'S THE RESULT OF IT.

>> BUT THERE'S A LITTLE CONFUSION FOR PEOPLE LOOKING AT THAT.

>> YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE YOU GET THAT. AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION THAT THE 10TH ITEM IS PRIORITY INVESTMENTS CHAPTER WHICH IS THE FINAL CAPITAL BUT YOU'RE CORRECT MEASURE IS NOT ON THE WHEEL. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT CAN BE

REFERENCED AS YOU KNOW THE CONCEPT. >> I DON'T KNOW IF IT CAN BE REFERENCE NEXT TO THE WHEEL. I DON'T KNOW IF IT SHOULD BE. THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT

CONFUSED ME UNTIL I FOUND IT AT THE END. >> PAGE 18 UNDER THE SECTION THAT SAYS OLD TOWN IS 18 SORRY I'M TRYING TO MAKE THIS AS PURPOSE.

>> I WAS TRYING TO GO QUICKLY. >> WELL SCROLL DOWN TO OLD TOWN IF YOU WERE ON THE RIGHT.

THAT SECOND POINT THERE IS A NEED TO INTEGRATE OLD TOWN WITH THE REST OF BLOCK.

WHAT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? BECAUSE OLD TOWN IS A UNIQUE IDENTITY THAT WE LOVE AND AS SOMEBODY WHO LIVED IN OLD TOWN AND NOW LIVES IN I GUESS YOU CALL IT NEWTOWN OR NOT OLD TOWN ,THAT UNIQUE IDENTITY OF OLD TOWN IS SOMETHING WE HOLD NEAR AND DEAR AND THE SOUNDS LIKE

THE OPPOSITE NO DOUBT. >> YEAH. SO YOU BRINGING THIS UP ON? I BELIEVE THAT'S POORLY WORDED . I BELIEVE.

WHAT STAKEHOLDERS WERE SAYING AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS REFLECTING THE THOUGHTS AND THEMES FROM STAKEHOLDERS OR INTERVIEW THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS IS MAYBE A CONCERN.

>> MAYBE APPRECIATE A LOVE FOR OR APPRECIATE AND HONOR OR GAIN AND UNDERSTANDING FOR ALL YOU

KNOW. >> ABSOLUTELY. I DON'T LIKE THAT.

I THINK YOU KNOW ALSO ABOUT THAT'S THAT'S THAT WAS THE THAT WAS THE PERCEPTION OF ONE OF THE INDIVIDUALS. OKAY. SO SO WHAT? OK. THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY THIS TELEVISION.

>> YOU TAKE END OF IT. I GOT YOU. I GOT YOU.

AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THAT'S THE CASE. IT JUST SCARED.

ADAM, YOU GO BACK AND LOOK FOR THE INFORMATION. >> INTERESTING.

MAKE SURE IT'S CLARIFIED, OK? BECAUSE THIS IT IS OPINIONS FROM THOSE PEOPLE.

>> OK. THAT MY MAN ON THAT. OH, THAT RAISES AN INTERESTING

QUESTION IF I MAY. >> GENERALLY THE THE COMMON CONCERNS OF THE PUBLIC'S WITH SPEED OF DEVELOPMENT TRAFFIC AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, THE COMMON CONCERNS OF THE TOP THREE OF THE STEERING COMMITTEE WHICH I WAS A PART OF WAS LAND USE, NATURAL RESOURCES AND ECONOMY. HOW DOES THAT FIT IN TO THIS? BECAUSE THE ACTION PLANS DON'T REFLECT THAT BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION. SO AGAIN, AS HE'S ASKING HIS QUESTIONS, THERE'S A LARGER QUESTION OF LIKE DO DOES PUBLIC COMMENT OR STAKEHOLDER INPUT MATTER? ABSOLUTELY. YES, BECAUSE.

WELL, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ACTION PLANS, THE TWO ITEMS WITH THE MOST ACTION PLANS BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS RESILIENCY, CULTURE NEITHER ONE OF THOSE WERE MENTIONED BY COMMUNITY OR THE STAKEHOLDERS RIBAUT YOU'RE JUMPING TO THE LAST PAGE MAN. OH WELL NO I'M TRYING TO I'M

TRYING TO TALK AN OVERARCHING THING. >> I ABSOLUTELY IF I COULD HIT PAUSE JUST FOR A MOMENT. I THINK ONE OF THE CONSTANT BATTLES THAT WE HAVE WITHIN DEVELOPING A DOCUMENT LIKE THIS IS THAT BATTLE THAT WE HAVE BETWEEN WHAT THE TOWN CONTROLS

AND WHAT THE TOWN CAN REALLY ONLY INFLUENCE. >> AND ONE OF THE CHALLENGES

THAT WE HAD THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. >> AND YOU KNOW, YOU'VE HEARD FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS LISTING OF CHALLENGES THAT ARE NESTED NOT SAY IN THE PURVIEW OF THE COMMUNITY, THE TOWN ITSELF TO ADDRESS, FOR INSTANCE, CONGESTION ON ROADWAYS FOR THOSE ROADWAYS THAT WE DO CONTROL WHICH ARE VERY FEW FOR THE TOWN.

YES, WE HAVE SOME ABILITY TO IN FACT INVEST CHANGE. >> BUT IN REALITY A LOT OF THAT WORK IS DONE AT A HIGHER WATER. IT'S DONE THROUGH BEING AT TABLES CONFERENCE TABLES THROUGH THE PROCESS OF INFLUENCE THROUGH THE PROCESS OF LEVERAGING RELATIONSHIPS, WORKING TO ENSURE THAT NO ALLOW L.A. ART RTP FUNDING GOES TOWARD

PROJECTS THAT WORK ON BEHALF OF BLUFFTON. >> AND I BELIEVE YOU'RE RIGHT.

YOU KNOW SOME OF THE WAITING IN HERE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT MORE WAITING TOWARD ISSUES LEAVE WHERE THE TOWN HAS MORE CONTROL. AND I THINK THAT WAS IN PROCESS WITH THE STAFF AND WITH STAKEHOLDERS ARE REALLY HAVING A LIST HERE THAT WOULD WORK

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THAT YOU COULD GO DO. >> THAT WAS ONE OF THE KEY PRIORITIES FOR LEADERS IN THIS

PROCESS. >> BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE THERE WOULD BE A DISCONNECT

THERE VISUALLY BETWEEN A AND B. >> WELL, THE THIS DOCUMENT THOUGH IS A TO THROW THIS INTO THE MASKS. THIS DOCUMENT IS OUR GUIDING DOCUMENT WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO OR NOT. IT STILL GUIDES US TO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN PARTNERSHIP WITH

THE COUNTY IN THE STATE. >> I WANTED TO BUILD ON THE SAME THING.

IT'S IT'S LIKE THEN THERE SHOULD BE MORE ACTION ITEMS OF INFLUENCE.

ABSOLUTELY. IN THOSE AREAS THAT WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL AT LEAST THAT WOULD BE MY SIMPLE WAY OF LOOKING AT THAT'S TRULY FAIR.

>> OK. AND I KNOW WE'RE CAMP ON THAT AT THE ENRICH TO PAGE 52 AND 53

SPECIFICALLY THE MAP ON 53, OK. >> YOU YOU DON'T KNOW THIS. >> YOU COULDN'T HAVE KNOWN THIS. THIS IS NOTHING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE RUN INTO UNLESS YOU MET

SOMEBODY THAT LIVES IN ALL JOY. >> THAT LITTLE THAT STUDY AREA THAT YOU HAVE OUTLINED INCLUDES JUST SOUTH OF BRIGHTON BEACH AND ALL THE WAY TO 278 MOST THAT IS NOT IN THE TOWN INCLUDING THOSE LITTLE AREAS AT BRIGHTON BEACH ALL JOY RESIDENTS HAVE A FEELING THAT WE ARE TRYING TO ANNEX THEM AND THEY HAVE THAT FEELING FOR AS LONG AS THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON

HAS EXISTED. >> WE ARE NOT INCLUDE THAT AREA IN THE STUDY AREA IS A NOT A

WISE THING TO DO IN MY OPINION. >> YES. SO I THINK WE NEED TO PRETTY MUCH CUT THE HOLE RIGHT PENINSULA OFF OF THAT AND PROBABLY ADJUST THE POPULATION

FIGURES ON 52 TO MATCH. >> BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY IT'S JUST A IT'LL MAKE OUR LIFE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT AS WE MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL START THINKING WE'RE GOING

IN THAT DIRECTION AGAIN. >> AM I WRONG? I MEAN I AGREE THAT YOUR SENTIMENT OF THEIR CONCERN FROM AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE PICTURE OF WHAT IT IS THAT THE PARTS AND PIECES THAT ARE AVAILABLE THAT'S FOUND THE RESOURCES, THE ROADS, THE INFLUENCE OF THOSE AREAS HAVE ON OUR TOWN. I MEAN THOSE PEOPLE THE PEOPLE ON ALL JOIN UP THOSE PEOPLE THE PEOPLE OF ALL JOY. ARE YOU ARE STILL VERY MUCH EVEN IF THEY ARE IN TOWN LIMITS A PART OF THE TOWN THEY'RE PART OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE. THEY WORK HERE.

THEY PLAY HERE. THEY AND THEY ARE OUR FRIENDS. >> SO WHY RESPECTFUL? I'M NOT SURE THAT FROM A NATURAL ANALYZING PERSPECTIVE THAT I WOULD NOT INCLUDE THE

MAYOR IN THAT PICTURE. >> I THINK PERHAPS IT IS A STRONG WORDING THAT IS HIGHLIGHTED TO SAY THERE IS NO INTENT TO ANNEX ALL JOY IT'S PARTICIPATION OR ITS INCLUSION IN HERE IS ONLY TO HELP FURTHER FILL THE PICTURE OF THE FINGERS OF OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE

AREA. I SURROUND YOU AT OUR TIME. >> WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE AND THE RESULT HAS BEEN DON'T CARE YOU DREW THAT WAY. THAT'S WHAT YOU INTEND.

YOU KNOW THE RESULT HAS ALWAYS BEEN YOU'RE TRYING TO TRICK US INTO THIS AND I I IF WE HAD SOME RESIDENTS FROM THEIR SIT IN HERE RIGHT NOW THEY'D SAY THE SAME.

>> BUT ANYWAYS, THOSE ON THOSE AND I THINK TO YOUR POINT THEIR INPUT ON THIS THEIR VOICES BEING HEARD SAYING THAT IS IMPORTANT AND I THINK I WANT THEM SAYING I DON'T WANT TO BE

ON THIS. >> I DON'T WANT TO BE ON THIS. I DON'T WANT TO BE ON THIS.

THAT'S EASY ENOUGH. WE'LL POST ON NEXT DOOR ON FACEBOOK AND I'LL GET YOU 100 OF THEM IN AN HOUR. BUT ANYWAYS, 1 0 9 CERTAINLY THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED INTO

FURTHER. >> IF I COULD REMIND EVERYONE THAT SOUTH CAROLINA LAW PROHIBITS THE TOWN FROM ACTIVELY PURSUING ANNEXATION. SO YOU KNOW THE INTENT IS THAT A PROPERTY WOULD PROPAGATE AND FIRST OFF WOULD HAVE TO BE CONTIGUOUS WITH THE TOWN AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME TO US TO REQUEST TO BE ANNEXED INTO THE TOWN.

SO WE JUST MAKE SURE IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT THE TOWN DOES NOT ACTIVELY PURSUE AN ANNEXATION.

AND WE COULDN'T EVEN IF WE WANTED TO AND WE DON'T. >> SO I THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION OF CLARIFICATION. I'M SORRY TASK FORCE THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

KEN, PERHAPS IF THAT IF THAT LANGUAGE EXPLICITLY STATED SOMEWHERE IN THE PLAN I THINK THAT PERMISSION. YES, THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY NEIL.

THAT COULD CERTAINLY BE I THINK OF CONFIRMED SHE SAID PAGE 1 OF 9.

>> I'M SORRY. YEAH. PAGE 1 0 9.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE MAP AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC PRIVATE PARKS AND RECREATION, YOU KNOW THE PARK AND IN OLD TOWN AND THEN THE BUCK BALL TO REGIONAL PARK.

>> I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING. >> OUR NEXT MAJOR PARK OUR NEXT MAJOR PROJECT IS THE ONE AT THE

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TRAFFIC CIRCLE 46 AND 170 WERE THE BARN IS. >> YEAH.

MAYBE THIS CAME MORE TO FRUITION AS THIS PROCESS WAS GOING ON.

BUT I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE A MAJOR PART OF THE PUBLIC PARKS COMP PLAN GOING FORWARD.

>> WE'RE DEVELOPING THAT AND TURNING THAT INTO A HUB IN THAT TIES INTO THAT TIES INTO

SOMETHING ELSE I'LL GET TO IN A MINUTE. >> NO, I'LL REFER BACK TO IT.

GO TO 125 PLEASE. THIS IS ACTUALLY A SCROLL DOWN IF YOU WOULD IMPLEMENT A BLUFF

THE ONE ALL THE WAY DOWN SOUTH WHICH WOULD BE A VILLAGE NODE. >> NOW FIRST OF ALL, THE KEY ON THIS PAGE DOESN'T TELL US WHAT AN OLD TOWN A TOWN CENTER NODE VILLAGE NODE COMPRISES OF .

>> SO I THINK WE NEED DEFINITIONS BUT A VILLAGE NODE TO ME IS A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE FROM THE TOWN CAN GATHER AND OK. THIS IS A PRIVATE GATED COMMUNITY THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. YES.

SO THAT MAY BE INAPPROPRIATE FOR THERE MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT ONE.

AND TO THE DIFFERENT CODED. >> YEAH. ONLY FOR THEM NODE NOW PRIVATE NODE. SCROLL UP JUST A LITTLE BIT IF YOU WOULD GUESS WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THIS IN 0 7 OLD TOWN WAS DEVELOPED AND DEVELOPING AND BUCHWALD PLACE MORE OR LESS

DIDN'T EXIST. >> WE DEFINED THAT BUCHWALD PLACE AREA AS THE NEXT KIND

OF DOWNTOWN OLD TOWN DOWNTOWN BUCHWALD A PLACE DOWNTOWN. >> THEY LOOK DIFFERENT MULTICOLORED AS IT IS THERE. THERE ARE AREAS FOR PEOPLE TO GATHER THAT LIVE NEARBY.

THERE'S A THIRD ONE COMING AND IT'S ALREADY STARTED DEVELOPING AND IT IS THE NEW RIVERSIDE VILLAGE. SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THAT ACTUALLY NEEDS TO BE UPPED TO A TOWN CENTER. NO, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT 7000 HOUSES BEING BUILT IN NEW RIVERSIDE LARGER THAN THE SIZE OF THE BUCK WALTER P YOU D THERE'S GONNA BE ANOTHER MAJOR

NODE THERE. >> SO I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE REFERENCED.

>> ED IT JUST TO BE WE'RE BASICALLY SENDING THAT UP THE HIERARCHY TO DROP THE ONE DOWN

SEND THE OTHER UP PLEASE. >> THESE ARE MY SUGGESTIONS. YEAH.

>> AND THEN PAGE 139 OK. >> IT'S KIND OF HARD TO GET THE WHOLE CONCEPT ON THIS BUT ACTUALLY YOU DO HAVE IT ON HERE BLUFFTON PARKWAY WHERE IT MEETS 170.

>> THIS COMP PLAN SUGGESTS CHANGING WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE A MAJOR COMMERCIAL AREA AND A

MAJOR INTERSECTION. >> AND THE REASON I SAY MAJOR INTERSECTION JUST SO EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME PAGE YOU CAN SEE BLUFFTON PARKWAY EXTENSION THERE THAT'S GOING TO BE EXIT 3 AND I 95 WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS, 20 YEARS IT'S GOING TO BE EXIT 95.

>> THIS IS GOING TO BE A MAJOR ,MAJOR INTERSECTION AND TO CHANGE PREDOMINANTLY HOUSING.

>> I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT SHOULD BE DONE FOR A MAJOR INTERSECTION.

I'M NOT SAYING SOME OF IT SHOULDN'T BE BUT I I'M SEEING PROBABLY THREE QUARTERS OF IT NOW IN THE PLAN AS HOUSING MY THOUGHTS AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THE REST OF OF COMMISSION FEELS

ABOUT THAT. >> BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE WE'RE GIVING UP WHAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO NEED FOR SHOPPING AND RETAIL AND SO ON AND THROWING INTO HOUSING WHAT OUR GUIDELINES

ARE. >> I AGREE WITH HAVING SOME SORT OF COMMERCIAL MIXED USE OR SOMETHING BUFFER BETWEEN THAT AND THE EXISTING HOUSING JUST BECAUSE IT IS GONNA BE A MAJOR

CORRIDOR. >> IT ALREADY IS A BIG ONE BUT IT'S JUST THAT MORE TRAFFIC.

SO BE CONSCIOUS OF HOW YOU CAN BUFFER THAT FROM SOME OF THE EXISTING MATRIMONY.

I'M GLAD YOU BRING THAT UP. THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY A PARAMOUNT CONCERN HERE AS WE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR YOU GOT TO SEE IT. WE SEE IT RIGHT.

THAT EXTENSION IS A BIG DEAL. YOU KNOW, AS WE THINK ABOUT THE 10 YEAR HORIZON THAT THAT PROPERTY BECOMES EXTREMELY INTERESTING IS THAT CONNECTION IS MADE IN IT NOT TO DEFEND FOR IN PARTICULAR THE COLORS ON THIS MAP. BUT AS WE THOUGHT THROUGH THIS EXERCISE, YOU TRYING TO GET THE MOST OUT OF THIS PROPERTY AND AT THE SAME TIME ADDRESS AS MANY COMMUNITY GOALS AS POSSIBLE WAS OF CRITICAL IMPORTANCE AS WELL.

>> CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE IDEA OF THE COMMERCIAL NOTE. COMMISSIONER AND THIS IS AN

AREA WHERE WE CAN LOOK AND DO FURTHER AS WELL. >> ONE THING WE ARE CONSCIOUS

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OBVIOUSLY IT IS A TUMULTUOUS TIME. SO WE THINK ABOUT THAT IN TERMS OF WAITING AND THINKING THROUGH THESE THESE PROCESSES AND BEING A FEW MULTIPLE EXPERIMENTS ONCE

YOU KNOW A MEASURE OF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE. >> BUT BUT ALSO WE'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THE TOWN NEED TO GET OUT OF THIS GROUND IN TERMS OF FISCAL

PRODUCTIVITY'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT AS WELL? >> WELL, AND WE DO NEED DON'T GET ME WRONG. WE NEED WORKFORCE HOUSING. WE NEED INTERESTING TERM.

I'VE NEVER HEARD IT BEFORE. BUT MIDDLE HOUSING WHO CAME UP WITH THOSE DESIGNATES? THINGS LIKE RETAIL WORKFORCE, MENTAL HEALTH. BUT WHERE DID THOSE COME FROM?

>> WE WORKED THROUGH THEMES THAT OUR PRESIDENT THE REST OF IN OTHER PORTIONS OF THE PLAN TO DO TO TRY TO DEFINE SOME OF THE CONCEPTS THAT WERE COMING OFF COMING UP IN THE ABSTRACT FOR INSTANCE, WE TALKED ABOUT HOUSING. THERE WAS A LOT OF THAT.

I MEAN IT'S NOT LIKE TOWN STAFF OR WHOEVER SAID OK, THIS IS GOING TO BE AN AREA FOR THAT.

YOU'LL JUST KIND OF IDENTIFYING AREAS THAT IT COULD BE. WE COLLABORATED ON THAT

PARTICULAR PART OF THE PROCESS. >> YES. STAFF IN ENERGY.

ABSOLUTELY. WE ALSO HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS CURRENTLY ALLOWED.

SO IN A PEACE DEAL THAT'S HAS GENERAL COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION AS OF RIGHT NOW.

SO IT DOES ALLOW FOR THE RETAIL. IT DOES ALLOW FOR THE HOUSING COMPONENT TO YOU KNOW, THE INTENT IS THAT IT'S A HIGHER INTENSE USE.

AND YOU KNOW, EVEN RIGHT NOW WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING IN FOR APARTMENTS REQUESTING TO DEVELOP APARTMENTS. SO THAT'S YOU TALK ABOUT THAT THAT THAT MISSING HOUSING COMPONENT. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DIG DOWN IN THERE WE'RE AT A MAJORITY OF UNITS ARE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOUSES AND THAT

NECESSARILY THAT CRACKS. YES. >> WITH THE DENSITY ALLOW US TO DO WHAT THIS WORK FORCE HOUSING MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WELL, WORKFORCE HOUSING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS ECONOMIES OF SCALE STANDPOINT. IT HAS TO WORK TO WHERE YOU HAVE TO HAVE HIGHER DENSITY, HIGHER DENSITY IN ORDER FOR THE HIGHER DENSITY ALLOWED IN THIS BEAUTY FOR THIS. YES. IT IS.

>> IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THIS WAS STRAIGHT COMMERCIAL. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT RESIDENTIAL

WAS ALLOWED OR ALLOCATED WELL. >> SO THAT'S WHERE THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS COMES IN.

AND THERE IS A THERE IS A CURRENT MASTER PLAN ON THAT SITE IS IT'S CALLED THE CULTURE CROSSROADS WHICH DOES CALL FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. YOUR TYPICAL STRIP CENTER TYPE DEVELOPMENT. NOW IF SOMEONE WERE TO PROPOSE YOU, YOU KNOW, MAKE A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF YOU WITH A AN AMENDMENT TO THAT MASTER

PLAN. >> AND YOU KNOW WHAT MY ANSWER MY PERSONAL ANSWER IS GOING TO

BE WHERE DID YOU GET THE DENSITY FROM? >> WELL, OF COURSE AT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE ALLOCATED DWELLING UNITS AND THAT'S ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE ALWAYS CONFIRM TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW, THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THOSE UNITS.

AND JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR I MEAN WE'VE IN MY OPINION WE'VE ALREADY ALLOWED FOR TOO MANY HOUSES TO BE BUILT IN THIS TOWN. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW FOR ANY MORE TO BE BUILT AND NEED TO TAKE THAT FROM SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. BUT WHAT DO YOU WANNA SAY TO YOU?

>> TOM OKATIE PERFORMANCE IN THE BOOK ALTERNATE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THERE IS THAT FLEXIBLE TRANSFER DENSITY UNITS FROM ONE MASTER LAND AREA TO ANOTHER.

OCCASIONALLY LIKE WE WE THINK IT WAS LAST LAST MONTH WE HAD SOME WE DISCUSS SOME LIMITED DENSITY UNITS OUT LOCAL TO PLACE BUT OTHERWISE THEY'RE PRETTY FREELY VIABLE SO THAT THEY CAN TRANSFER FROM ONE TO ANOTHER. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT MISS I DRIVE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO AMEND THAT MASTER PLAN MINIMIZE PLAY TO SHOW THE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE AND MOST LIKELY GET AN ASSIGNMENT OR A CONDITIONAL ASSIGNMENT UPON A PERMANENT. AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING IS I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS GO POOF HERE 300 MORE UNITS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S IT'S TOUGH ENOUGH ALREADY DEALING

WITH WHAT'S BEEN ALLOCATED. >> BUT THAT BRINGS ME TO WHAT PAGES AT 140 1 I APPLAUD YOU

WHOEVER IT WAS THAT PUT THIS IN HERE OR THOUGHT OF IT. >> BUT THE FACT THAT IT TALKS ABOUT THE TTR PROGRAM AND THE THOUSAND UNITS THAT ARE SITTING IN THERE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN APPLY TO WORKFORCE HOUSING AND I APPRECIATE IT BEING IN THERE.

I FIGURED I'D GIVE YOU ONE POSITIVE THANK YOU. >> THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF WHAT I HAVE AND I'M GONNA BE HONEST WITH YOU FROM WHAT PAGE 172 ON WHICH ARE THE SUGGESTIONS I WOULDN'T QUITE GO TO THE WORD ANGRY BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS IN HERE SUCH AS C 3 WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT MAKING A MEDIUM PRIORITY HOSTING THE ANNUAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION

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HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OF THE TOWN. >> YOU KNOW THE HISTORIC IS A

HUGE PART OF THIS TOWN. >> I MEAN THERE AND MUCH LEFT FROM THE BURNING OF BLUFFTON BUT IT'S STILL PRETTY HISTORIC TOWN AND WE'RE PROUD OF THAT. AND I'M I'M GOING ACTUALLY I WAS I HAD THE PLEASURE OF TALKING TO CHAIRMAN COUNCILMAN COMMISSIONER.

>> THAT'S WHAT WE DEL CORPS I THINK IT WAS EARLIER TODAY AND HE'S GOT SOME GREAT INSIGHT ON THAT THAT HE TOUCHED ON EARLIER AND I'M I'M GOING TO DEFER TO HIM TALKING ABOUT THE OUTCOMES

HERE VERSUS WHAT WAS KIND OF BROUGHT OUT. >> I THINK I'VE MADE MY POINT.

THERE'S JUST SEEMS TO BE A DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE INPUT WE GOT FROM THE PUBLIC AND EVEN AS FAR AS TODAY'S INPUT THAT WE HAVE THE TO DO PEOPLE GIVE US INPUT IN THE STEERING COMMITTEE INPUT VERSUS THE ACTION PLAN AS I UNDERSTAND CONTROL VERSUS INFLUENCE COURSE.

I GUESS IF AGAIN IF I COULD WAVE A MAGIC WAND I'D HAVE MORE ACTION PLANS TO HAVE US DOING SOME INFLUENCE ON THINGS LIKE THE ECONOMY, NATURAL RESOURCES ,LAND USE AND TRAFFIC.

>> I MEAN, YOU KNOW, DO I DO I HAVE WRITTEN OUT FOR YOU? NO, I DON'T MEAN BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I THINK WOULD BE GOOD USE OF OUR TIME IN COLLABORATION STAFF.

AND YOU GUYS TO PUT SOME EFFORT BEHIND BETWEEN WHENEVER WE HAVE TO APPROVE THIS MEASURE, I WILL SAY YOU WHEN WE BEGIN A PROCESS LIKE ESPECIALLY WITH THE PUBLIC WE DON'T TRY TO TRUNCATE I

GUESS OUR THINKING. >> RIGHT. I THINK WE ONE OF THE AS GLOBAL AS POSSIBLE ESPECIALLY WE GET THE ACTION DEVELOPMENT PHASE OR POLICY DEVELOPMENT PHASE AND THAT THE LAST WE WANT TO DO IS JUST I GUESS LIMIT THE CREATIVITY BY SAYING WE CAN'T

DO THAT BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO THAT. >> SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF POLICIES THAT GET FLOATED THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS THAT I WOULD SAY ARE IN THAT INFLUENTIAL INFLUENCE CATEGORY THAT MAY BE APPLICABLE STILL HERE.

I THINK WHAT WOULD BE CRITICAL COMMISSIONER, BECAUSE I'VE SEEN IN OTHER COMMUNITIES WHERE THIS HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE IS ENSURING CLEAR COMMUNICATION AND CLEAR TERMS ON HERE IT'S MADE IT'S MADE CLEAR THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE TALIBAN CAN UNILATERALLY GO DO

IF AS LONG AS YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. >> I THINK THAT LANGUAGE JUST NEEDS TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SET THE EXPECTATION WITH YOUR CONSTITUENTS TO SAY THAT WHERE YOU NEED TO GO DO THIS BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU WOULD.

RIGHT. SO AS LONG AS THE WORDING ASSUMES EITHER PARTNERSHIP IT ASSUMES A DISCOURSE. RIGHT. OR IT ASSUMES LEVERAGING A RESOURCE THAT'S NOT GUARANTEED. I THINK THOSE THINGS ARE GOOD BLANKETS FOR YOU ALL AS YOU MOVE FORWARD TO SAY YOU'RE ACCOMPLISHING THINGS BUT YOU START TO WORK WITH OTHERS TO

MAKE THEM REAL. >> THAT'S I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU.

BUT I ALSO THINK IT'S IT'S INCUMBENT ON US TO GIVE IT A SHOT ABSOLUTE BECAUSE OUR CONSTITUENCY IS ASKING FOR IT. ABSOLUTELY. SO I AGREE WITH YOUR POINTS.

THANK YOU. >> YOU HAVE ANY CHARLIE OR ETHAN? I'M THE SECOND. SORRY. DID YOU THINK TO ADD TO WHAT

THEY MEAN COME BACK TO ME. >> YEAH. AND I WANT TO YOU WHAT LYDIA HAD TO SAY IN I SHARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE LISTED BUT I THINK THE PEOPLE SECTION IN GENERAL AT LEAST THE PAGE 174 IN THE LIST OF ACTION ITEMS P. 1 SAYING TO COORDINATE THE PROVISION OF HUMAN AND SOCIAL SERVICES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AND THEN THE ONLY ACTION POINT IS TO LOW PRIORITY COME UP WITH AN INVENTORY OF WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE.

IT FEELS LIKE MAYBE THAT SHOULD BE PART OF IT LIKE THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PART OF THIS PROCESS WAS INVENTORYING WHAT WE HAVE SO THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO COORDINATE THE PROVISION THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME ACTION ITEMS RELATED TO WHAT WHAT DO WE HAVE SO WE CAN KNOW WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IF WE GO 10 YEARS THAT'S THE GOAL.

WE HAVEN'T REALLY MADE ANY PROGRESS ON THAT OVERALL POINT. SO WE SHOULD APPRECIATE THAT PHONE AS LONG AS THE RIGHT THERAPY THREE KIND OF SHOCKED ME TOO BECAUSE ALL THREE OF THOSE ARE LOW PRIORITIES HERITAGE APPRECIATION DAYS, HOLIDAYS, FESTIVALS AND EVENTS

CONTINUE TO SUPPORT HERITAGE AND DIVERSITY. >> I MEAN THOSE THOSE WHO ARE

HISTORICALLY HIGH PRIORITIES. >> YEAH, I ALSO BELIEVE I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT

COMMISSIONERS. >> I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS NOW LOOKING AT IT THROUGH YOUR GLASSES WHICH IS THE TASK HERE. THERE'S SOME NEED FOR DEFINITION OF THAT TERM PRIORITY BECAUSE I SHOULD SAY THAT SAYING SOMETHING IS LOW. IF IT'S ON THIS LIST IT'S CRITICAL TO BLUFFTON. RIGHT. I THINK AS WE DEFINE PRIORITY

WHAT WE WERE ASSUMING IS HOW IMMEDIATE IS THIS ACTION? >> HOW NECESSARY IS IT IN THE SHORT TERM AT WHICH IT RELATES THEN TO THE TIME WE NEED TO BETTER DEFINE THAT.

ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU FOR OTHER COMMENTS. I JUST HAD A LOT OF THE

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WE LOVE OLD TOWN AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE OUR IDEA KIND OF THAT FEELING HAPPEN

THROUGHOUT BLUFFTON. >> THERE'S LIMITED THINGS THAT WE CAN DO GIVEN HOW MUCH OF THE COMMUNITY IS WITHIN PETEY BUT KNOWING THAT THAT'S A HIGH PRIORITY FOR CONSTITUENTS AS

WELL AS I THINK PROBABLY EVERYONE ON THE COMMISSION. >> I WOULD LIKE TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO MAKE THAT A HIGHER PRIORITY. SO ON THE ONE LET'S SEE 1 81 1 81 I THINK THE BIGGEST THING THAT WE PROBABLY HAVE CONTROL OVER AT THIS MOMENT WOULD BE THE ONE POINT TO HAVE THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT ESTABLISHED AND THAT'S

SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN HAS OVERSIGHT OVER. >> SO I THINK COMING IN WITH DESIGN CRITERIA TO IMPROVE THAT IN MY OPINION WOULD BE A SHORT TIMEFRAME AND A HIGH PRIORITY BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY AFFECT. AND IF WE DON'T DO THAT NOW WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE A BUNCH OF ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVEN'T APPLIED THAT THOUGHT TO THAT NOW WE CAN'T CHANGE. WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER DAY IS WE REALLY NEED TO EXPLORE GETTING WESTERN PARKWAY BOOK INTO THE YOU INTO THE WORKS OR

OVERLY AGGRESSIVE HISTORY. >> DO YOU BELIEVE THAT RAISES THE LEVEL OF ACTION THAT WOULD BE RELATED IN THIS PLAN OR MENTIONED AS UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF ELEVEN POINT TWO?

>> I DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. >> I DO.

PROBABLY IT'S OWN I WOULD MAKE IT. >> THAT'S WHEN YOU REALIZED WHEN YOU REALIZED THAT THE EOD CONTROLS TO 78 AND 46 AND 170 AND YOU'VE GOT THE BUFFERS IN FRONT OF THE CURVE AROUND TO 78 BUT YOU GET ALL THE TREES DOWN IN FRONT OF HAMPTON LAKES NEW ENTRANCE ON BLUFFTON PARKWAY WHERE YOU COULD HAVE IF IT WAS IN AN HBO DEAL COULD HAVE

HELPED IT. >> WHAT I DO. KEVIN SO I THINK WE NEED TO

REVISIT IT SOMEWHERE. >> YOU MADAM COMMISSIONER UNDER MR. WEBER ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE DO FACE AND MR. DEPAULO BROUGHT IT UP EARLIER BECAUSE SO MUCH OF THE TOWNS AND TV DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS AND THE DANGER WITH THE CULTURE BELT AGREEMENT WHICH AND I BELIEVE THE SCHULTZ DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AS WELL ARE VERY CLEAR AS TO WHICH HIGHWAYS ARE GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO BE SUBJECT TO THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OF THE LIGHT DISTRICT WHICH

ROADS WHICH PORTIONS OF THE PARKWAY. >> AND THAT'S REALLY EVEN UNDER THE EXISTING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED BACK IN 2007. THAT'S BEEN A CRITICAL CONCERN AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO ADDRESS IN KEEP IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLANS. JUST JUST KNOW THAT THERE MAY BE SOME DIFFICULTIES WITH ACTUALLY CARRYING THAT THROUGH TO COMPLETION BECAUSE OF THE CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS THE

TOWN FACES. >> I THINK WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INFLUENCE AND OTHER THINGS THAT SHOULD BE ON THE LEFT OF A WE SHOULD TRY. OKATIE AT A HIGHER PRIORITY OF WHAT CAN WE DO TO NEGOTIATE WITH BACKSTOPPING MR. FISHER WAS THERE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS THAT I HAVE TO ADD RIGHT NOW? THANK YOU. NO AT THE I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT TO DIG INTO ALL MY VERY, VERY SPECIFIC NOTES AND SO I'M TRYING TO GIVE US MY HEAD AROUND HOW TO STAY HIGH LEVEL AND YEAH, AND MAKE SURE MY WORDS ARE PAGE WISE.

>> LIKE I'M NOT DOING NO I'M NOT GOING TO DO LIKE WE'D BE ON EVERY PAGE.

>> I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. >> I'VE KIND OF WANT TO TAKE SOME GENERAL THINGS THAT I'VE TAKEN FROM HERE AND NOT GO PAGE BY PAGE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I GAINED FROM READING DO THIS WAS THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT FOCUS ON THE OLD TOWN IN THIS PLAN AND I ABSOLUTELY TREASURER OUR OLD TOWN AND I ABSOLUTELY THINK LIKE MR. WHITMER SAID, THIS IS OUR JIM PRIZE OF THE TOWN. AND SO IT DOES NEED TO BE OF ITS OWN DISTINCT CHARACTER.

IT NEEDS TO BE PROTECTED AND IT LOOKED AT ME REAL SUDDEN LIKE I WAS DOING SOMETHING WRONG.

>> YOU'RE SAYING IT'S OK. >> AND SO THE REST OF BLUFFTON IS GROWING AT A RATE AN

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BUT I WOULD SAY THAT SO MUCH ATTENTION HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON OLD TOWN THAT I THINK THAT PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIVE HERE THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY REPRESENTED DON'T FEEL REPRESENTED AND THEY AND THIS DOCUMENT TO ME DOESN'T GO FAR ENOUGH TO MAKING SURE THAT THEY FEEL REPRESENTED OUTSIDE OF OLD TOWN. I WORRY I SEE A LOT OF FOCUS ON GULLAH GEECHEE. I LOVE THAT. THAT'S AWESOME.

I SEE THAT THERE IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY IS 10 PERCENT OF THE POPULATION WITH THE HISPANIC THAT 17 PERCENT OF THE POPULATION THERE WAS NOT YOU KNOW WE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EVENTS THAT ARE HELD BY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. THERE'S THREE OR FOUR EVENTS LISTED FOR THE BLACK COMMUNITY. THERE ARE NINE LISTED FOR THE HISPANIC COMMUNITY AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT TRUE. SO WHERE ARE THEIR VOICES? IN HERE? WHERE WAS THEIR INPUT ON HERE? WHERE ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT WHO THE IMPORTANT PEOPLE ARE FOR THEM IN THEIR COMMUNITY? WHERE ARE THEIR PICTURES? AND SO THEY ARE PROBABLY ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING OUTSIDE OF YOU KNOW, WE OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOT A LARGE NUMBER OF AFFLUENT, EDUCATED RETIRED INDIVIDUALS COMING HERE. BUT OUTSIDE OF THEM I THINK THEY'RE PROBABLY ONE OF THE LARGEST GROWING COMMUNITIES. ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING COMMUNITIES. AND I WANT THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE A PART OF THE FABRIC OF THIS DOCUMENT, HOW IT'S CREATED AND THEIR VOICES ARE HEARD AS A PART OF IT.

GIVEN MY PROFESSION WE'RE NOT JUST SITTING ON HERE PLANNING COMMISSION BUT MY USE

OF COMPREHENSIVE PLANS IN MY DAILY JOB. >> I LOOK TO THIS DOCUMENT IN TERMS OF HOW IT'S HOW I'M WRITING NARRATIVES FOR ZONING, ANNEXATION, THINGS LIKE THAT.

>> AND SO I YOU I'M LOOKING AT A VERY SPECIFIC PARCEL OF PROPERTY AND I'M LOOKING AT WHAT'S THE FUTURE LAND USE WITH THE EXISTING LAND USE WHEREAS IT HOW IS IT RELATED TO A HAMLET OR A VILLAGE? HOW IS IT RELATED TO THE COMMERCIAL CENTERS? AND THESE MAPS BEING SPREAD OVER TWO PAGES MAKE THAT HARD TO READ.

MOST PEOPLE AREN'T EVEN LOOKING AT THIS DOCUMENT ON PRINTED OUT VERSION.

THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT IN A PDA ON A SCREEN SCROLLING UP AND THE INVENTORY AND ANALYSIS

WITHIN THIS DOCUMENT TO ME DOES NOT GO FAR ENOUGH. >> THERE'S JUST A LOT OF PIECES OF INFORMATION THAT I HAVE FOUND IN OTHER COMPREHENSIVE PLANS THAT I DON'T SEE HERE.

THAT FEED THAT TEXTURE OF HOW YOU CHOOSE, WHY YOU CHOOSE WHAT YOU KNOW, WHAT'S INFLUENCING.

AND SO THERE'S JUST SOME THINGS THAT AREN'T GOING FAR ENOUGH. THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT FOCUS ON RESILIENCY LIKE A MAJOR, MAJOR, MAJOR, MAJOR, MAJOR FOCUS ON RESILIENCY IN THIS DOCUMENT.

FAR MORE THAN I THINK JUST ABOUT ANY OTHER TOPIC. AND I RECOGNIZE THAT THAT'S NOT AN IMPORTANT ISSUE AND PARTICULARLY FOR OUR COMMUNITY. AND I ACTUALLY REALLY LIKED HOW YOU STARTED THE CONVERSATION WITH RESILIENCY IS A MULTIFACETED THING.

IT'S AFFECTED BY THE ECONOMY. IT IS AFFECTED BY CULTURE. IT IS AFFECTED BY A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE DISASTERS BUT NOT JUST OF THE NATURAL KIND BUT ALL OF THE COMMENTS AND ALL OF THE ACTION ITEMS RELATED TO NATURAL DISASTER TYPE.

IT'S RELATED TO STORMWATER RELATED WETLANDS. SO WHERE'S WHERE'S OUR RESPONSE TO THINGS THAT ARE NOT JUST ENVIRONMENTAL NATURE IN THAT RESILIENCY COMPONENT? YOU LIKE I SO LIKE I SAID YOU STARTED OFF GREAT AND THEN THERE'S NO RESPONSE TO THAT IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU DID DURING RESILIENCE BECAUSE PEOPLE AND RESILIENCE ARE NEW ELEMENTS THAT ARE HAVE BEEN ADDED YET. SO WE ARE PREVIOUS PLAN AND EVERYBODY'S LOOKING AT IT THE

SAME WAY AS YOU ARE. >> I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU POOR.

I KNOW IT'S NOT TO MAKE AN EXCUSE BUT PART OF THE WEIGHT PIECE IS THAT THOSE PIECES HAD BEEN GATHERED LIKE THAT. BUT I TOTALLY TAKE YOUR POINT. HOW DO WE CONTINUE? I'M SORRY. NO, THAT'S OKAY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP IN OUR LAST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WAS A WOMAN FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WHOSE NAME IS ESCAPING ME AT THE MOMENT IS SHE'S PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION AND FACILITY.

CRUTCHFIELD CARROLL CRUNCH. CRUTCHFIELD KAREN CAROL CRUTCHFIELD AND SHE CAME UP TO

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OF THE SCHOOL. SO WHERE ARE WE? >> DO WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH TOO MANY STUDENTS AND WE'RE AT CAPACITY AND WE'RE FINE FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS OR DO WE HAVE AN ISSUE WHERE WE CAN'T APPROVE HOUSING BECAUSE WE CAN'T BECAUSE WE CAN'T HELP BECAUSE WE CAN'T EDUCATE OUR CHILDREN? THAT'S A THAT'S A BIG CONTRAST. THERE'S EVEN THIS SCHOOL MAP.

IT'S LUMPED IN THERE WITH HOSPITALS AND LIBRARIES AND UNLIKE SCHOOLS THEMSELVES OR THEIR OWN BODY OF OF INFORMATION LIKE HOW CLOSE YOU'RE IN YOU AND YOU LOOK AT THEM FROM A LENS OF HOW WALKABLE THEY ARE WHICH PUTS NOBODY HARDLY IN WALKING DISTANCE WITHIN THE TOWN OF LOVE. BUT BLUFFTON LIMITS TO A SCHOOL . I MEAN THERE ARE A FEW THAT YES ARE.

BUT BY AND LARGE YOU'RE GOING TO BE TAKING TRANSPORTATION. SO IS IT PERHAPS WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT BECAUSE OF THE WAY BLUFFTON IS CONSTRUCTED. MAYBE IT'S LOOKING AT IT FROM BIKES. MAYBE IT'S LOOKING AT FROM CAR TRAVEL.

YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE WE ABSENT ON HAVING A SCHOOL NEARBY BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO BE NEEDING A SCHOOL IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS. WE'RE GONNA BE NEEDING SEVERAL SCHOOLS. BUT THERE'S NO THERE'S NO DIRECTION ON WHERE THAT SHOULD BE OR HOW THAT SHOULD BE FOCUSED IN RELATIONSHIP TO POPULATION GROWTH.

>> EVEN OUR HOSPITALS WHEN YOU LOOK EVEN AT THE COUNTY THERE'S ONE IN HILTON HEAD.

THERE'S ONE KIND OF OFF THE MAP AND THERE'S ONE BARELY IN BLUFFTON.

I MEAN LIKE WE DON'T HAVE MUCH IN THE WAY OF HOSPITAL FACILITIES.

THERE'S NO LOOKING AT POLICE DEPARTMENTS. YOU HAVEN'T DONE FIRE IMUS YET.

I MEAN THERE ARE SO MANY FACILITIES. IS ONE LIBRARY ENOUGH FOR ALL OF BLUFFTON? I DON'T KNOW. WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT A POPULATION THAT'S ABOUT 2. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO DOUBLE BUT AT LEAST 50 YOU'RE PROJECTING 50 PERCENT ON TOP OF WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS.

DOES OUR BLUFFTON LIBRARY ACCOMMODATE THAT? I DON'T.

I JUST DON'T KNOW AND I DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION HERE THAT'S LEADING ME TO ANY CONCLUSIONS ABOUT WHETHER WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.

>> WE'VE GOT WE NEED TO. >> I MEAN EDUCATION IS SUCH A KEY COMPONENT AND EVERYBODY IS SO INTERESTED IN THAT IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND I JUST THIS COMMUNITY FACILITIES IS LIKE SIX PAGES LONG. IT'S NOT IT'S JUST NOT GOING FAR ENOUGH TO THE GENTLEMAN EARLIER WHO SPOKE WHOSE NAME IS RICK RAYMOND.

>> MIKE YEAH. >> MIKE RANN, MR. THEN YOU KNOW TO HIS POINT ABOUT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. MY HUSBAND OWNS A BUSINESS. WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET A SECOND LOCATION AND EVERY TIME WE GO TALK TO A DEVELOPER WE GET BASICALLY KICKED KICKED TO THE CURB BECAUSE PUBLIX IS COMING IN AND THEY HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH A YOU KNOW

WITH THIS BUSINESS FROM OUT OF TOWN. >> AND SO YOU CAN'T YOU KNOW, YOU NOW YOU CAN'T BE HERE. AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO THEM FOR TWO YEARS.

THIS HAS HAPPENED FOR SEVERAL LOCATIONS. >> THAT'S ANECDOTAL.

>> BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW WE BUILD ENTREPRENEURS AND I LOVE THE DAN RYAN CENTER I'M SO THANKFUL FOR THE DAN RYAN CENTER AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

I THINK THAT THERE IS SO MUCH MORE WE CAN DO TO HELP ON BUSINESS AND ENTREPRENEURS AND SMALL BUSINESS NOT JUST THOSE THAT ARE DOING YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT ARE IN INNOVATION BUT JUST PEOPLE THAT WANT TO START A BUSINESS AND BEING EDUCATED ON INSURANCE AND TAXES AND LAWS AND ALL THAT STUFF THAT GOES TO BE A PART OF THAT AND HOW TO NEGOTIATE CONTRACTS AND HOW TO NEGOTIATE LOANS AND THERE'S JUST STILL HOW DO WE SUPPORT THAT? AND I THINK THAT'S JUST ONE PIECE OF THE ECONOMIC PUZZLE, YOU KNOW, AND IT GOES TO CHARLIE'S POINT ABOUT WHERE ARE WE PUTTING THESE COMMERCIAL NODES AND WHERE ARE WE? AND AGAIN TO THE LAND OF GOING TO THE LAND USE PORTION OF THIS WHERE THE COMMERCIAL NODES WE HAVE GOT SO MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING TO THIS PLACE WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, IT'S

NOT IT'S NOT EVEN OUR HARDLY UPTIME. >> THEY'RE COMING.

SO WHERE ARE WE GOING TO PUT THEM? AND I DON'T.

SO IN ORDER TO GET WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WE WANT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE WANT MENTAL HOUSING, WE WANT WORK FORCE HOUSING. BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE PLACES FOR THEM TO GO WHERE IT IS MORE DENSE AND I CAN UNDERSTAND CHARLIE.

WE DON'T NEED TO ADD DENSITY BUT AT THE SAME TIME HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET HOUSES TO BE AFFORDABLE FOR THE MIDDLE INCOME? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I CAN TELL YOU MY GROCERY BILLS HAVE DOUBLED. MY GAS BILLS HAVE DOUBLED AND IF I WANT TO MOVE MY OUT OF MY HOUSE I'M STILL JUST WHERE AM I GONNA GO AND I'M NOT POOR BY ANY MEANS. SO TO ME WE HAVE A REALLY CRITICAL HOUSING ISSUE THAT I'M NOT SURE THIS IS AN ECONOMY THAT'S ALL PLAYING IN TOGETHER AND I'M NOT SURE.

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WE'RE FACING OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS. >> THIS IS WHY I WENT AWAY TO THE END BECAUSE IT WAS JUST SUMMARIZING FOR THANK YOU SO MUCH THAT SOMEWHAT ONE OF THERE

IS A MAJOR I THINK OF NATURAL RESOURCE ARE NOT RECREATION. >> I THINK AND I AND THERE'S BICYCLE CONNECTIONS THAT ARE THERE CONNECTED HERE. THERE ARE NO I MEAN WE'VE GOT

NEW RIVERSIDE PARK SO EXCITED IT'S COMING. >> WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME KIND OF A SIGNIFICANT PARK IN BLUFFTON AND I LOVE THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY MADE THESE LITTLE POCKET PARKS IN OLD TOWN. BUT IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN START LOOKING AT WHAT'S A.

WHAT'S A COMMUNITY PARK? AND I THINK THAT'S EVEN PART LOOKING AT OUR COMMUNITIES BECAUSE I KNOW THAT SOME OF OUR PRIVATE BREEDS DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY'RE EVEN THERE RECREATIONAL NEEDS ARE BEING MET FOR THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. SO I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A HOLISTIC APPROACH AT LOOKING AT ARE WE MEETING THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK NEED? ARE WE MEETING THE COMMUNITY PARK NEED? ARE WE MEETING THE REC? THE REGIONAL PARK NEED? ARE WE ACCOMMODATING THE BIKE? THE PEOPLE BICYCLE OR RECOMMENDING PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW ARE DOING DISC GOLF? ARE WE ACCOMMODATING OUR SOCCER FIELDS? AND PERHAPS WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT A RECREATIONAL NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND START ENCOURAGING A REALLY IN-DEPTH LOOK AT THAT AS A PART OF THIS . ONE OF THE THINGS I ALSO LOOKED AT TODAY WAS THE AMOUNT

OF GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT. >> I WAS LOOKING AT OLD TOWN SPECIFIC LAY AND JUST THE

AMOUNT OF LOSS THE LIKE. >> I WAS JUST THINKING IN TERMS OF FIGURE RELIEF OF THE NUMBER OF BUILDINGS WHERE THOSE BUILDINGS IT'S ACTUALLY STARTED AS AN EXERCISE AT LOOKING AT CALHOUN STREET. I WAS TRYING TO FIND WHERE WERE THE BUILDINGS AND WHERE ARE THE BUILDINGS AND HOW MUCH HAVE. HOW MANY BUILDINGS HAVE WE ADDED AND DREAMS OF INFILL.

>> YEAH. YEAH. >> AND TO LOOK AT THE LAST 20 TO 30 YEARS AND BLUFFTON AND THE WAY THE TREE LOST THAT WE'VE HAD THROUGH ALL OF THIS DEVELOPMENT JUST IN OUR OLD TOWN AREA AND ONE OF IT'S ONE OF THOSE LIKE I WANT A SNAPSHOT OF WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BLUFFTON STATE OF MIND AND WE'VE WHAT IS THAT?

>> WHAT WERE WE HOW DID WE. SORRY. HOW DID WE DO? WHAT? WHAT DO WE LOOK LIKE AT THE TIME WHEN THIS KIND OF IDEA BLUFFTON STATE OF MIND CAME TO BE AND IF WE'RE GONNA PRESERVE THAT, WHAT DOES THAT NEED TO LOOK? AND THAT'S WHY I WAS LOOKING AT CAL HISTORY BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THIS OLD TOWN AREA. AND WHEN WE START IN FEELING LIKE WE'RE IN FEELING AND I KNOW WHY THAT HAPPENED BECAUSE THE LAST COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS REALLY LEADING US INTO A DIRECTION OF MORE URBANIST TYPE DEVELOPMENT AND OLD TOWN AND REALLY CREATING A VIBRANCY.

BUT DO WE STILL WANT TO CONTINUE THAT PATTERN AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND OR DO WE WANT TO KIND OF SAY WE ARE WE'RE FULL AND OLD TOWN WE DON'T WANT MORE PEOPLE PACKING MORE INTO THIS LITTLE OLD TOWN THAT WE HAVE LAKE PARK ON THE OUTSIDE WE'LL TRANSPORT YOU IN YOU KNOW, LIKE DO WE REALLY WANT TO BE TELLING IT LIKE DO WE REALLY NEED TO BE MARKETING?

>> I THINK ONE OF THE ACTION ITEMS WAS TO MARKET OLD TOWN FOR TOURISM AND I CAN TELL YOU I DON'T THINK THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE WANT THAT THEY'RE LIKE THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE I

CAN'T PARK. >> I CAN'T MOVE. THERE'S NOISE ALL THE TIME.

AND SO WE'RE SAYING HEY, YOU KEEP PUSHING THEM IN HERE AND THEY'RE LIKE PLEASE STOP.

>> AND THEN IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE OLD TOWN ANYMORE. AND MAYBE WE'RE TOO FAR GONE AND WE CAN'T CAPTURE THAT. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT GOES BACK TO WHAT COMMISSIONER DOUG CAUSE IDEA OF LIKE AGAIN BACK TO THIS BLUFFTON STATE OF MIND. I THINK IT IS IN OUR HISTORY, IT'S IN OUR CULTURE, IT'S IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS, IT'S IN THOSE MEETINGS AND THOSE

GATHERINGS AND IN THE PLACES THAT HAS HISTORY. >> SO I JUST IT'S A TRICKY THING A PLACE LIKE OLD DOWN, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FREEZE.

NOPE. IT MOVES. HOW OLD IS IT? IT'S MOVING AND THE STEWARDSHIP ASPECT IS IS ONE OF THE MOST CRITICAL THINGS AND I WAS ON STATE OF MIND STREET TODAY. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND IT AND I

SEE THE INFILL WE SEE THE INFILL. >> THERE'S PROBABLY PROJECTS THAT YOU LOVE BRIGHT PROJECTS THAT YOU MAYBE REGRET. IT'S IN THAT MOVEMENT THOUGH, ESPECIALLY IN YOU'RE IN YOUR YOUR CORE YOUR HEART OF YOUR COMMUNITY THAT WHERE A LOT OF THE ATTENTION GETS PAID. RIGHT. I THINK YOU'RE ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK PICKED UP ON SOME EARLIER COMMENTS YOU MAKE IS BLUFFTON IS SOUL TOWN ANYMORE EITHER. RIGHT. AND WE THINK ABOUT THE GROWTH THAT'S OCCURRED SIGNIFICANT EXPONENTIAL GROWTH THAT'S OCCURRED AROUND OLD TOWN.

>> DOES THAT SAME LEVEL OF CONSIDERATION EXTEND? I THINK YOU DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB FRANKLY OUTSIDE IT. BUT I THINK YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN AND VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.

ABSOLUTELY. THE WAY STATE OF MIND STREET WAS COMPLETED IN 2005.

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>> SO I'VE BEEN AROUND FOR LONG HAD TO BE SAYING I FIGURED HIS LIFE.

>> I THINK I'VE GOT THERE WAS A COMMENT FROM CARL OR CARMEN MANNY ABOUT I THINK IT WAS

GREEN STREET'S LEAD. >> SHOULD WE BE LOOKING AT BS CITY LIKE HOW DO WE AOME OF THA I KNOW THERE'S HINTS AT IT IN HERE BUT HOW DO WE PUSH IT TO THE END AGAIN THAT MAY BE AN INFLUENCE CONTROL THING ACTUALLY THAT'S AN AREA WHERE I THINK THIS COMMISSION AND THIS COMMUNITY DOES HAVE QUITE A BIT OF CONTROL. WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST THOUGH AND I WOULD LOVE SIMS FEEDBACK ON THIS COMMISSIONER IS WHAT ARE THE BECAUSE THERE ARE ENDLESS PROGRAMS NOW THAT PLAY IN THAT PLAYGROUND, RIGHT? YEAH.

WHAT ARE THE PROGRAMS THAT YOU THINK MOST ALIGN WITH THE GOALS OF THIS COMMUNITY WHEN IT COMES TO ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP, WHEN IT COMES TO EQUITY, WHEN IT COMES TO VIBRANCY THERE NO PROGRAMS HAVE EMERGED. YOU TALK ABOUT LEAD LEADS THIS SORT OF THE STANDARD STANDARD BUT I LOVE THAT THE MENTION GREEN STREETS. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT PROGRAM.

THERE ARE SEVERAL ELSE THAT ARE OUT THERE. >> SO I WOULD I WOULD LOVE I THINK IS PART FEEDBACK TO THIS. ARE THERE ONES YOU'D LIKE FOR US TO LOOK INTO IN GREATER DEPTH TO SEE HOW THEY APPLY TO TOWN ZEPHYR. YEAH.

I THINK YOU SHOULD ALSO KNOW YOU KNOW THAT A LOT OF THE ROADS THAT ARE OBVIOUSLY WAS

ALREADY ESTABLISHED THROUGH OLD TOWN. >> YOU KNOW THE TOWN IS IN THE PROCESS OF ACQUIRING A LOT OF EAST COAST ROADS. WE'RE ALSO AS YOU'VE GONE THROUGH AND YOU'VE LOOKED AT THE IP PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE ONE OF THEM THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO START CONSTRUCTION OKATIE VERY SOON IS ON BRIDGE STREET IS WHERE WE'RE GOING IN AND WE'RE ACTUALLY WE HAVE A THEY'RE GOING YOU KNOW, TAKING OUT A LOT OF THE EXCESS PAVEMENT THAT'S THEY'RE PROVIDING NO GREEN SPACE PROVIDING SYSTEMS NEEDS TO HELP TO COLLECT THE STORE WATER IN ORDER TO TREAT IT BEFORE IT'S DISCHARGED TO THE COAST.

SO WE ARE WE ARE DOING A LOT OF THESE THINGS LIKE EVERYTHING IT'S FUNDING.

YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST IT TAKES TIME TO TWO TO WORK THROUGH THESE PROJECTS, YOU KNOW? I KNOW THAT WE'RE WE'RE IN THAT PROCESS WE'RE IN THE PROCESS WITH CALVIN STREET.

SAME THING THAT'S GOING TO BE A MAJOR UNDERTAKING. SO.

SO IT'S THERE SLOWLY TO SOME OF IT IS IT'S PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT AND IT'S AS DIFFICULT TO GET THEM TO DO CERTAIN THINGS. NOW OBVIOUSLY WITH OUR STORMWATER REGULATIONS THAT HAVE JUST PASSED. I MEAN THAT'S A HUGE YOU KNOW, THAT'S A HUGE ITEM THAT CAUSES THE DEVELOPMENTS TO BE MORE OF A MORE LOW IMPACT DESIGN AND SO ON OF THINGS. A LOT OF CONCERNS. I'VE HEARD SOME OF THEM YOU KNOW, THEY ARE BEING ADDRESSED . YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THERE VARIOUS WAYS TO GET ABOUT THIS AND I KNOW YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IT IS IT'S SETTING THE TONE AND GIVING TOWN COUNCIL TO THE VISION OVER THOSE 10 YEARS TO SET THEIR PRIORITIES AS THEY MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR STRATEGIC PLAN.

SO YOU TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE TREE CANOPY BUT THAT'S A GREAT THING TO INCLUDE AS A FUTURE PLAN DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN YOU CAN'T ADDRESS THAT IN THE COMP PLAN.

BUT ONE OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS IS LET'S LET'S FOCUS ON ON THAT.

LET'S FOCUS ON, YOU KNOW, PICKING STREETS AND AND SEEING WHAT ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON. A LOT OF THAT. AND ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAVE AND WE AREN'T TO KNOW IS UPDATE TO THE ALLTEL MASTER PLAN.

SO YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT VISION OVER 20 YEARS BUT WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO LOOK BACK AND SEE OK, YOU KNOW, BACK THEN WHEN IT STARTED AND THEN WHERE WE ARE TODAY AND THEN WHAT CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE. SO AGAIN THAT DOCUMENT WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON THAT DOCUMENT.

COLIN SIMMONS BILL NEIGHBORHOOD WE'VE ACTUALLY ALREADY HAD BUDGETED FUNDING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH UPDATING THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN THERE. SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE KNOW THESE THINGS ARE COMING AND KIND LIKE WHAT SAYS. NOTHING IS JUST BECAUSE IT SAYS LOW PRIORITY ON THERE DOESN'T MEAN IT'S A LOW PRIORITY AND I'M GOING TO TAKE WHAT WHAT HE HAS THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE RANKED AS LOW PRIORITY ARE NOT UNIMPORTANT.

THEY'RE SIMPLY FALL LOWER ON THE PRIORITY SCALE OR THEIR SUCCESS DEPENDS UPON COMPLETION OF OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS. SO I KNOW THAT YOU PROBABLY STILL HAVE TONS OF ITEMS THAT THAT YOU WANT ADDRESSED. HOPEFULLY YOU HAVEN'T WRITTEN DOWN.

WHAT WE WOULD LOVE IS TO BE ABLE TO GET A COPY OF YOUR INFORMATION AND EVEN IF WE NEED TO HAVE AN OFF LINE MEETING SO THAT WE CAN SEE WHAT WHAT ITEMS YOU WANT WE CAN AND THAT WE CAN WORK ON ADDRESSING ALL OF THOSE . SO THAT WAY YOU KNOW OUR GOAL IS TO COME BACK ON THE 13TH HITTING THE HIGHLIGHTS OF WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE TALKED ABOUT.

SO THAT WAY WE'VE KIND OF YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT DRAFT 3.0. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THREE

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WE'VE WE'VE UPDATED THESE ITEMS . WE'VE FOCUSED ON THE PRIORITIES. YOU KNOW, WE'VE WE'VE WE FOCUSED KEENAN IN SOME OF THESE OTHER ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED THE GROWTH FRAMEWORK WE GET ALL THOSE TAKEN CARE OF SO THAT WHEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THIS IN A PUBLIC SETTING AND IF THERE'S STILL SOME MINOR TWEAKS WE CAN EVEN MAKE THOSE TWO WEEKS BEFORE IT GETS TO YOUR JULY TWENTY SEVENTH MEETING. SO THAT WAY YOU GUYS ARE COMFORTABLE IN PROVIDING A RECOMMENDATION AND AS I STATED ,IT'S A LIVING DOCUMENT. SO THINGS THINGS START CHANGING OR WE REALIZE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE MISSED. WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK AND MAKE CHANGES TO IT. SO IT'S OUR DOCUMENT WE HAVE WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO OBVIOUSLY TELL COUNSEL ULTIMATELY MAKES THOSE DECISIONS. BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT IF SOMETHING IS MISSED FOR ANY PARTICULAR REASON WE HAVE THAT ABILITY TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES COME ON ONES AND WE GET OUR COMMENTS BACK SO VISIONS CAN BE DONE AND WHEN WE GET THE REVISION FOR THE NEXT WELL THAT'S AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. SO I MEAN IT'S WHAT KNOW SIX RIGHT NOW IF YOU CAN GET IT TO US BEFORE 10:00 TONIGHT THEN GOING TO HAPPEN BEFORE THIS WEEKEND. YES. AND THAT'S PART OF THE CHALLENGE AND WE ALL KNOW THIS BUT TO SAY IT WE'VE GOT THE DOCUMENT ON FRIDAY.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD AND IT JUST IS WHAT IT IS WE'VE HAD FIVE DAYS TO LOOK AT IT.

YEAH, I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO READ THROUGH IT THOROUGHLY. WHAT I GAVE YOU TONIGHT WAS SCANNING AND I'M SURE SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS ARE THE SAME WAY.

ABSOLUTELY. AND I HATE TO PUT IT THIS WAY BUT THE LONGER WE CAN HAVE TO GIVE YOU THE COMMENTS AND THE QUICKER YOU CAN TURN THEM AROUND.

YEAH. CHRIS, FULLY RESPECT THAT. I KNOW THAT YOU NEED TO RUN.

YOU SHOULD AND OUGHT TO GO THROUGH LINE BY LINE AND YOU WANT TO GIVE DETAILED IN GENERAL PIECES AND I THINK THAT WE'LL TAKE WE'LL TAKE THAT. I HESITATE TO ASSIGN A DATE NOW IN MINE. I WON'T DO THAT TO YOU RIGHT NOW.

I'LL THINK THROUGH BACKWARDS FROM OUR DEADLINES HERE. BUT I WOULD JUST WANT TO SAY I TRULY DO APPRECIATE THE PARTNERSHIP THAT THIS REPRESENTS IN THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU GIVE US WHEN YOU DO THIS WORK. YOU END UP SORT OF PUTTING SOMETHING OUT AND THEN THERE'S THE REACTION, RIGHT? I THINK THIS REFINEMENT PIECE OF IT IS JUST SO CRITICAL TO GETTING IT RIGHT. COMMISSIONER, I THINK WHAT YOU BRING UP IS JUST HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS. RIGHT.

YOU'RE AT A CRITICAL MOMENT, THIS COMMUNITY'S HISTORY. THE TONE YOU SET TODAY IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS THIS IS WRITTEN, AS IT IS ARTICULATE, IT'S DONE IN THE CORRECT WAY IT PROVIDES YOU WITH THE INFORMATION AND THE SETTING YOU NEED TO MOVE FORWARD. SO I THINK THE ONE THING I WOULD ASK IF POSSIBLE THROUGH THE COMMENTS IS IF PDUFA DO WORK QUITE WELL IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAND WRITE THEM THAT'S ALSO FINE. I THINK IN SCAN WE CAN HAVE.

CHARLOTTE KEVIN WE CAN SCAN THOSE IN GET THOSE TO US BUT THROUGH A PDA IF THINGS WOULD BE THE BEST WAY MOST EFFICIENTLY FOR OUR TEAM TO WORK OUT.

I HAD ONE MORE THING. THERE'S A 20 40 BEAUFORT COUNTY COMP PLAN.

IT'S NOT LISTED AS AN ITEM YOU'VE REFERENCED IN PREPARING .

SO BEING THAT WE'RE IN BEFORE COUNTY AND THAT NEW FRESH DOCUMENT IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT ABSOLUTELY ALL ARE MINDFUL OF HOW THEY'RE THINKING BLUFFTON AND HOW WE'RE THINKING OF BLUFFING BECAUSE IT I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE THAT WE'RE ALL IN THE SAME.

>> YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S AN OVERSIGHT, COMMISSIONER. WE'RE CERTAINLY AWARE OF THAT DOCUMENT AT PROCESS BUT WE'LL BE OVER IT. THANK YOU.

JUST ONE OTHER THING IS MORE TO KEVIN . I THINK KEVIN WHEN I LOOK AT THE LAST CONSUL IT HAD 10 ACTION ITEMS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT HAVE WE ACCOMPLISHED DURING THIS PERIOD BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY THERE'S SOME DUPLICATION OF THE WORDING OF THIS COMP PLANS AFFORDABLE HOUSING WORD'S VERSUS THE LAST ONE. IS THERE ANY WAY TO GET A FEEL FOR WHAT HAVE WE ACCOMPLISHED? I HAVE WORKED STRAIGHT SHOOTING . WE BUILT OUR OUTAGES ON WALL STREET. SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ACTION ITEMS THAT ARE EITHER IN PROCESS OR HAVE BEEN APPROVED COMPLETED. THERE'S WALL STREET.

THERE ARE THERE WAS A DENSITY BONUS ANKLE BRACELET STUDIO AMENDMENT.

I'D TRY TO ENCOURAGE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY SUPPORTED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THERE WAS THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE VIDEO DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WHICH REQUIRED THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE DESIGNATION 20 OF THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS OUT THERE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND I BELIEVE 19 OF THEM HAVE EITHER BEEN CONSTRUCTED AND OR ARE BEING RENTED OUT. I GUESS WHAT I'M WONDERING IS

HOW MANY UNITS SO DOZENS OR HUNDREDS? >> WELL, SOME OF IT WAS REPAIRS

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SO THE TALENT HAS PURCHASED PROPERTIES YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS SPENT ON PURCHASING THE PROPERTY KNOWING LIKE WE'RE IN THE PROCESS LIKE WE BELIEVE WE HAVE PLANS. WE'RE GOING THROUGH CONTRACTUAL PLANS RIGHT NOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF ON VARIOUS PROPERTIES. SO HOW MANY UNITS? SO THERE'S AT LEAST ONE THAT'S UNDER THAT TOWN COUNCIL APPROVED AT THE LAST MEETING AND MEETING BEFORE THAT'S GOING TO BE BETWEEN TWELVE 14 UNITS OF BUT THERE ARE TWO OTHER PARCELS THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED THAT HAVE DOZENS OR A FOUR TO EIGHT.

AND THEN THE OTHER ONE HAS APPROXIMATELY SIXTY FIVE AND THEN THE TOWN HAS PROPERTY OUT ABOVE. WALTER P. D WE'RE AN ADDITIONAL POTENTIAL FOR TWO HUNDRED UNITS. SO IT'S JUST YOU KNOW A LOT OF THESE TALKED ABOUT YOU KNOW TALKED ABOUT THAT PRIORITY LIST AND HOW CERTAIN THINGS HAVE TO HAPPEN TO GET THOSE YOU KNOW IT'S IN THE CHEST YOU HAVE TO MOVE CERTAIN WAYS IN ORDER TO IT FOR THE END GOAL.

SO WE TALKED ABOUT I MEAN WE'VE WE'VE PURCHASED THREE PROPERTIES AND WE'VE ALSO ACQUIRED. I MEAN I THINK FOR THE BUCK VAULTS ARE ONE THAT WAS PART OF THE I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE AMENDMENTS I SUPPORTED THE WILL IT RUN DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WHICH WAS I THINK THE FIFTH AMENDMENT OR SET IT IN. BUT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THAT'S THE THE BIGGEST ISSUE RIGHT NOW. THE BIGGEST ISSUE WITH THAT PROJECT IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE ACCESS, THE ROADS GOING TO COST A FORTUNE TO BUILD.

ARE THERE ALSO OTHER STEPS THE TOWN HAS TAKEN? THERE IS THE SMALL HOME SERIES THAT WAS COMPLETED BACK IN 2000 AND 2012 WHICH WASN'T WHICH WASN'T SEIZED UPON BY ANY DEVELOPERS BUT IT WAS IT WAS THE IDEA WAS TO CREATE A PROCESS TO KIND OF EXPEDITE CONSTRUCTION MAYBE NOT, YOU KNOW, 100 PERCENT A MILE OR LOWER HOUSE BUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AFFORDABLE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING MORE MIDDLE HOUSING CAN HELP FIX THAT.

SO THERE'VE BEEN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT STEPS THAT THE TOWN HAS TAKEN.

IT'S JUST YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WITH THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING ISSUES AND HAVING A SECOND AGO A LITTLE TANGENT HERE I WAS THE CHAIRMAN AND BE BROWSING AUTHORITY FOR A EIGHT YEARS SEVEN YEARS. SO I GOT TO SEE FIRSTHAND TO WHAT THE TOWN WAS DOING COUNTY CITY ME FOR BOTH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY WAS DOING AND JUST THE INVESTMENT OF THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON INTO MAKING SURE THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING WAS ALWAYS A PRIORITY WHETHER IT WAS THE DENSITY BONUS PROGRAMS WORKING WITH IMPACT PHASE AND THE REDUCTION OF IMPACT FEES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING YOU HAVE ANYTIME A NEW P D IS BROUGHT INTO THE TOWN THERE'S A 20 PERCENT 20 20 PERCENT NEXT TO BE AFFORDABLE.

SO I THINK IT'S GREAT. THIS IS WAS THE VERY BREAKS APART ST. GREGORY THE GREAT SENSE THAT I GUESS THE OLD SAYING WAS THE BEST WAY TO EAT AND EAT AN ELEPHANT WAS SMALL BITES. AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WHAT WE'RE DOING AND THE ELEPHANT IS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ISSUE AND I THINK ALSO THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE FORMAL HOUSING COMMITTEE, THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSISTANCE PROGRAM. SO YOU KNOW, THE TOWN ALLOCATES APPROXIMATELY ONE HUNDRED AND NINETY THOUSAND DOLLARS EVERY BUDGET YEAR TO HELP. AND WE TALK ABOUT HERE THAT THE NOAH THE NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO HELP INDIVIDUALS TO BE ABLE TO STAY IN THEIR HOMES WITH THESE REPAIRS. SO YOU KNOW, TO SAY JUST LIKE A NUMBER LIKE WELL DID YOU GO FROM FIVE TO 10 LIKE THAT? THAT'S NOT YOU KNOW, IT'S WE CAN'T REALLY MEASURE IT THAT WAY. SO THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS THAT ARE IN PLAY THAT YOU KNOW, A LOT OF RESOURCES ARE CONSUMING TO GET THERE.

SO THERE'S MUCH WE DO A LOT MORE THAN ANY OTHER COMMUNITY AROUND HERE AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. WE STILL DON'T KNOW. WE AT LEAST ARE MOVING IN THE RIGHT. ANTHONY , BRING UP TO THE REGIONAL HOUSING TRUST FUND THAT WE'RE SO THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF AVENUES OUT THERE. AND IT'S JUST IT TAKES TIME.

IT TAKES TIME. IT TAKES A LOT OF MONEY. THANK YOU.

HAVE DEVELOPERS TAKEN THE TOWN UP ON THIS BONUS DENSITY FOR ADDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHERE IT'S NOT IMPOSED POST P.A. BUT WHERE THEY'RE BRINGING IN AND DEVELOPMENT AND ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL DENSITY AND PROVIDING THEM RIGHT NOW? HOW LONG'S IT BEEN IN PLACE? THE DENSITY BONUSES IN THE UTICA I THINK THAT WAS BROUGHT IN TWENTY SIXTEEN PERHAPS MAKE 2015 2016 AND WE'RE LOOKING AT SEVEN EIGHT YEARS AT LEAST A YEAR.

>> THE PROBLEM IS I DON'T SAY THE PROBLEM PART LIMITATIONS BECAUSE IT'S IT'S SOMEWHAT LIMITED IN THAT AREA AS WELL GEOGRAPHICALLY. SO YOU HAVE CERTAIN CERTAIN AREAS WHERE WE WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY DRAFTED WHERE THAT DENSITY COULD BE INCREASED FOR

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SO NOT NOT ON THE PARKER SIDE BUT BACK BEHIND THE HEALTH FOOD STORE IN THAT AREA.

THAT'S ONE OF THOSE AND WE JUST HAVEN'T SEEN THE DEVELOPMENT GO OUT IN THAT AREA AND IT'S EVERYTHING'S BEEN KIND OF BUILDING FROM OLD TOWN NOW. AND THEN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AREAS. SO THAT'S PART OF IT. WE STILL EXPECT OR HOPE THAT THAT WILL BE BEING USED IN THE FUTURE. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY ANY COMMUNITY THAT'S COMING IN AND THAT'S THAT THAT WAS A CHANGE THAT BROUGHT AN IMMEDIATE BENEFIT. ST. GREGORY THE GREAT HAVING IT AS MAY 20TH 10 PERCENT OF THEIR

UNITS TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING IF THEY DO CONSTRUCT THEM. >> IN TERMS OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMITTEE AND ARE THEY GOING THROUGH AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND DISCUSSING ARE THEY SITTING DOWN GOING OK. THIS MEASURE WAS WORKING.

THIS ONE IS NOT WORKING. HERE'S AN IDEA. WE HAVE TO MAKE THIS, YOU KNOW, TO MASSAGE THIS EFFORT TO MAKE IT TRY TO GET A LITTLE FURTHER IF IN EIGHT YEARS OR SEVEN YEARS NOBODY'S TAKEN UP THE BONUS DENSITY AS THEY'RE DEVELOPING AND WE'VE GOT A LOT TO SPEND MONTHS GOING ON, SHOULD WE BE ASKING WHY AND WHAT CAN WE DO?

>> REMEMBER WE'RE TOLD ABOUT 8 PERCENT OF THE TOWN'S LIMITS IS REGULATED BY THE UNION.

SO YOU'RE SEEING A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT HAPPEN NOW. BUT WALTER RIVERSIDE THAT'S THEY DON'T QUALIFY. SO ONLY SORT PROPERTY'S QUALIFY FOR IT.

SO THANK YOU. YEAH, I THINK WE'VE GOT GOT AN AGENT.

YOU GUYS HAVE DOCUMENT DOCUMENTATION PLEASE SUBMITTED TO STAFF.

WE CAN GET IT TO THE CONSULTANT. ANYTHING THAT YOU'VE ACTUALLY TYPED OUT. THAT'S THAT'S GREAT. IT'S A LOT EASIER THAT WAY AS WELL. BUT YOU KNOW, WE CAN TAKE ANYTHING YOU HAVE AND WE HAVE SPECIFIC SHEETS THAT YOU WORKED ON. FEEL FREE TO SCAN THOSE IN SIMILAR TO US OR YOU NEED TO DROP THEM OFF HERE AND WE'RE HAPPY TO SCAN THEM IN AND GET THEM OVER TO KYLE SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

I'M ON THE MOVE. I

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