Jun 06, 2022 Planning Commission

[1. CALL TO ORDER ]

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TO CLARK CAN CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. >> WE COULD BE STANDING BUT MAYBE THE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE THERE THE RUNAWAY ENGLISH SPEAKERS

ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE. >> THANK YOU.

OK STARTING AT THE TOP OF YOUR AGENDA BY THE WAY, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ONLINE WHO WAS

ATTENDING THIS? >> OK, THERE IS AN ONLINE LINK AVAILABLE FOR FIRST

[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES – April 4, 2022 ]

>> OK. EMOTIONS IN A MAJOR PROGRAM SECOND WITHOUT OBJECTIONS.

[5. APPROVAL OF AGENDA ]

MORE MINUTES OR SO APPROVED. >> ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ANYBODY LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING? CHANGE ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THE AGENDA COME FROM A PUBLIC ME.

AND SHE SHE'S BEEN TO A MEETING, RIGHT? YES.

OK, ALL RIGHT. NEXT SORT BUSINESS IS NOT AGENDA ITEMS. IF THERE ARE ANY CITIZENS WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON A NON AGENDA ITEM, THIS IS THE TIME TO DO IT. WE HAVE THREE MINUTES. WE WOULD ASK YOU TO COME FORWARD AND ADDRESS A COMMISSION MEMBERS AND HAVE YOUR SAY ANYONE.

[7. TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE (CDC): SECTION 4.1.330 (ECOTOURISM) TO CLARIFY GUIDING PRINCIPLES FOR ECOTOURISM DEVELOPMENT AND ESTABLISH BASE SITE AREA CALCULATIONS FOR ECOTOURISM DEVELOPMENT. ]

THE FIRST ACTION ITEM IS A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 4 THAT ONE GOT 3 0 ECO TOURISM TO CLARIFY GUIDING PRINCIPLES ECO TOURISM AND DEVELOPMENT ESTABLISH A BASE SITE AREA CALCULATIONS OR ECO TOURISM DEVELOPMENT.

THIS IS A CARRYOVER FROM OUR LAST MEETING WHEN WE ASKED FOR SOME CLARIFICATIONS AND MODIFICATIONS TO THE PROPOSAL. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. SO AS THE CHAIRMAN JUST STATED, THIS IS COMING FROM OUR APRIL MEETING. WE HAD OUR FIRST ITERATION OF CHANGES TO THE ECO TOURISM STANDARDS AT THAT TIME AND I WAS SENT BACK TO US TO PROVIDE SOME MORE SPECIFICITY AND MORE MEASURABLE OUTCOMES AND SO WE WENT BACK AND MADE SOME CHANGES. SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO I'M JUST KIND OF I'M GOING TO GO SECTION BY SECTION OPENING IT UP FOR QUESTIONS AFTER EACH PIECE AND THEN WE'LL WRAP IT ALL SO TO BEGIN AND THEN I'LL HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT I'M IN CONTROL HERE.

>> WE'RE GOING TO START AT THE VERY TOP. SO WHEN WE CAME LAST APRIL THIS PAST APRIL WE HAD CHANGED THE DEFINITION OF ECO TOURISM TO MATCH WHAT THE DICTIONARY REFERENCES AS ECO TOURISM. SINCE THEN WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND LOOKED MORE DEEPLY IN THE CODE AND WE DECIDED THAT IT WAS PROBABLY BETTER TO GO AHEAD AND REFERENCE THE ECO TOURISM LAND USE DEFINITION THAT ALREADY EXISTS IN ARTICLE 3. SO THAT IS OUR ZONING AND LAND

USE SECTION OF THE CODE . >> AND SO I'M GOING TO DO AS I'M JUST GOING TO KIND OF SHOW

YOU ALL WHAT WE'RE REFERENCING WHO THERE WE GO. >> SO THIS IS HOW ECO TOURISM

APPEARS AND OUR LAND USE TABLE OR LAND USE DEFINITION TABLE. >> AND SO IT BREAKS DOWN ECO TOURISM HAS FOUR COMPONENTS THAT 50 PERCENT OF THEM ARE AT LEAST ARE REQUIRED.

SO I'LL JUST GO THROUGH IT FOR YOU ALL TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME PAGE.

ECO TOURISM IS DEFINED AS ORGANIZED EDUCATIONAL AND MAINLY OUTDOOR RECREATION WITH OR WITHOUT LODGING THAT INVITES PARTICIPANTS TO LEARN ABOUT AND PROMOTE ECOLOGICAL

PRESERVATION, CONSERVATION AND SUSTAINABILITY. >> THIS YOU SHALL INCLUDE AT LEAST TWO OF THE FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS CAN HAVE MORE. IT'S LOCATED NEAR OR WITHIN A WILDERNESS SETTING PARK OR PROTECTED AREA INTERPRETIVE EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM WITH OR WITHOUT GUIDES IS INCLUDED. OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES ARE INCLUDED OR CULTURAL EXPERIENCES.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REFERENCING AT THE TOP OF OUR ECO TOURISM STANDARDS.

LEARNING THERE WE GO TO REFERENCE AS A DEFINITION. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT PIECE OF THIS VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD. OK. SO THE NEXT PIECE IS MOVING

DOWN. >> WE. WE DIDN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES TO A THAT'S AS IT'S WRITTEN IN CODE AND B WE'VE MADE SOME CHANGES TO THE OPERATIONAL PLAN

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AND JUST AS A REMINDER THAT ECO TOURISM USE IS ALLOWED TO ONE NATURAL PRESERVE AS A SPECIAL USE. SO IF ANYONE APPLIES FOR THAT THERE IT'S GOING TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FOR THEIR DETERMINATION ON WHETHER OR NOT IT'S APPROPRIATE.

>> AND AS A CONDITIONAL USE IN OUR TEETH IN 42 RURAL JUST 32 DISTRICTS THAT'S TOO RURAL TO RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD TEACH RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD OPEN AND TEACH YOU RURAL CENTER.

SO THOSE ARE THE ONLY PLACES WHERE ECO TOURISM IS HAPPENING WITHIN UNINCORPORATED BEAUFORT COUNTY AS A CONDITIONAL USE THAT MEANS IT'S GOING BEFORE STAFF.

AND SO THE INFORMATION HERE IN THE OPERATIONAL PLAN WOULD BE WHAT STAFF REVIEWS IF IT'S A SPECIAL USE IT'S WHAT THE ZONING BOARD WOULD EVENTUALLY REVIEW.

SO WE LEFT THE INITIAL PORTION AS IT WAS AND WENT IN AND ADDED SPECIFIC COMPONENTS THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE OPERATIONAL PLAN. THOSE ARE AT A MINIMUM INFORMATION ABOUT ACCESS TO THE SITE ON AN OFF STREET PARKING FOR GUESTS AND EMPLOYEES THE NUMBER AND TYPE OF JOBS AND ASSOCIATED WAGES CREATED HOUSING FOR EMPLOYEES.

>> HOW SUPPLIES WILL BE STAGE DELIVERED HOURS OF OPERATION EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLANS, HOW EMERGENCY SERVICES WILL BE PROVIDED, HOW UTILITIES WILL BE PROVIDED, HOW SOLID WASTE WILL BE DISPOSED OF , THE NUMBER AND TYPE OF AMENITIES PROVIDED AND HOW THE OPERATION WILL ADAPT TO FULLY RESPOND TO SEA LEVEL RISE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND THIS COMES FROM WHEN WE MET IN APRIL ADDITIONAL INFORMATION MAY BE REQUIRED THROUGH A COMMUNITY IMPACT STATEMENT AS DETERMINED

BY THE DIRECTOR. >> SO IF YOU ALL REMEMBER FROM APRIL'S MEETING THE THE COMMUNITY IMPACT STATEMENT HAS FOR COMPONENTS. IT IS AN AREA IMPACT STATEMENT AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT, A TRAFFIC IMPACT ASSESSMENT AND AN ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORIC IMPACT ASSESSMENT. NOW THOSE FOUR COMPONENTS AREN'T ALWAYS ALL REQUIRED UP TO THE DIRECTOR ON THAT. WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE ALL FOUR OF THEM ARE APPROPRIATE DEPENDING ON THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT BEING CONSIDERED. SO I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT HOW THAT COULD BE BURDENSOME BUT IT CAN BE KIND OF PICKED AND CHOSEN BASED ON WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED FOR ECO TOURISM.

>> SO WE HAVE ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE AT A MINIMUM WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND BEING AN OPTION IF IT'S REQUIRED DEPENDING ON THE SCOPE WITH LAST SENTENCE THERE. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT PIECE? I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.

>> WHEN IT IS HERE AS DETERMINED BY THE DIRECTOR. AM I ASSUMING THE DIRECTOR AND STAFF I MEAN IS THIS A SITUATION WHERE YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE A VOTE AND THE STAFF WOULD SAY DISAGREE WITH THE DIRECTOR OR IS IT JUST DIRECTED BY FIAT ?

>> IT MAY BE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. I THINK IT LEAVES ROOM FOR STAFF TO KIND OF CONFER WITH THE DIRECTOR ABOUT WHAT THEY THINK THEY NEED TO MOVE FORWARD. BUT WHEN YOU PRESENT IT TO US OR YOUR RECOMMENDATION HEADED

TO A RAPID DIRECTOR STAMP ON IT. >> THANK YOU.

>> THAT'S RIGHT. ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON THAT PIECE?

>> ALL RIGHT. SO THE NEXT PORTION THIS IS A ROLLOVER FROM OUR APRIL MEETING. IT'S JUST CITING OUR BASE SITE AREA CALCULATIONS IN OUR PREVIOUS SECTION SO THAT THERE'S NO CONFUSION ABOUT HOW DENSITY AND THE NUMBER OF LODGING UNITS WOULD BE ALLOWED ON PARTICULAR PARCELS DEPENDING ON THEIR SIZE AND THE GEOLOGICAL CHARACTERISTICS. SO WE'LL MOVE ON DOWN TO G HERE .

WE MADE SOME CHANGES AS WELL TO TO SIMPLIFY THINGS BUT ALSO TO BRING THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF GUEST ROOMS IN LINE WITH THE BASE ZONING THAT THESE ARE ALLOWED IN.

>> SO ECO TOURISM USES AT ITS MOST INTENSIVE ALLOWED IN YOUR T TO RURAL DISTRICTS THE MOST INTENSIVE LODGING USE THAT YOU FIND IN YOUR TWO RURAL DISTRICTS ARE IN AT 24 GUEST ROOMS. SO WE PULLED THAT IN SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL 26 GUEST ROOMS THERE. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING AND WE KIND OF WE'VE REMOVED THE LANGUAGE ABOUT DIFFERENT TYPES OF LODGING BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY ANY OF THAT COULD

WORK. >> IT COULD BE 24 CABINS AS GUEST ROOMS BUT IT ALL AGAIN TIES INTO YOUR BASE SITE AREA FROM SECTION C. SO THERE WILL BE THAT LIMITING FACTOR 24 SO MOST YOU CAN GET AND THEN YOU CAN GO LOWER FROM THERE.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT PIECE? OKAY. >> AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST IS H WHICH HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION THIS PAST APRIL. SO THIS IS WHERE WE REMOVED THE REFERENCE TO THE ECO TOURISM SOCIETY AND INSTEAD REPLACED THE PRINCIPLES THAT THEY PROMOTE WITH YOU FOR A COUNTY SPECIFIC PRINCIPLES THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE.

>> AND THIS IS WHERE WE REALLY NEEDED TO KIND OF TIGHTEN THINGS UP.

AND SO I'M JUST GONNA FLIP BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN WHAT WE HAD BEFORE TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY AND WHAT WE'VE DONE TO MAKE IT A LITTLE TIGHTER THERE. SO IN APRIL OUR FIRST BULLET POINT WAS MINIMIZED PHYSICAL AND SOCIAL IMPACTS IF YOU ALL RECALL THAT WE'VE STRICT IN

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SO YOU CAN SEE THE OUTPUTS OF THAT WORK AND GENERATE FINANCIAL BENEFITS FOR LOCAL PEOPLE VIA JOBS GRANTS, COMMUNITY INVESTMENT, ET CETERA .

WHAT WE'RE REALLY SEEING AND A LOT OF THE RESEARCH WITH ECO TOURISM IS IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT YOUR ECOSYSTEMS. IT'S ABOUT YOUR CULTURE THAT'S THERE AS WELL.

OFTENTIMES THOSE ARE INSEPARABLE. THEY COME HAND-IN-HAND.

WE HAD GENERATE LET'S SEE WE HAD DELIVER INTERPRETIVE EXPERIENCES TO VISITORS THAT HELP RAISE AWARENESS AND SENSITIVITY TO LOCAL ENVIRONMENTAL AND CULTURAL

CLIMATES. >> THERE WAS A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR THAT ONCE THAT LAST MEETING WE KEPT THAT ONE IN THERE AND THEN WE MODIFIED THE LAST ONE DESIGN CONSTRUCT AND OPERATE LOW IMPACT FACILITIES TO INCLUDE LOW IMPACT ECO TOURS, ACTIVITIES AND FACILITIES BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT SOME OF THESE ECO TOURS TO BE AN INHERENTLY OR UNINTENTIONALLY DAMAGING THOSE ECOSYSTEMS TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS SUSTAINABLE AS THE DEFINITION

IN SECTION 3 REQUIRES. >> ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT PIECE OF SO I HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL

THING TO TALK ABOUT. >> FIRE THANK YOU. >> WE DID SEND THIS OVER TO LEGAL TO HAVE THEIR REVIEW OF IT TO GET THEIR EXPERIENCE AND EXPERTISE ON WHAT WOULD MAKE THE BEST ECO TOURISM STANDARDS WE CAN GET GOING HERE.

AND A COUPLE OF SUGGESTIONS DID COME BACK. SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING ON YOUR SCREEN, THE THINGS HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE IS WHAT CAME BACK FROM LEGAL.

NOW WE DIDN'T GET THEIR RESPONSE UNTIL AFTER OUR AGENDA IS PUBLISHED AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M PRESENTING IT TO YOU AS A SEPARATE PIECE. ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN BOTH OF THEM HAPPENED HERE IN SECTION B WITH THE OPERATIONAL PLAN ONE IS TO STRIKE THE ORE RIGHT THERE AT THE END OF THE LAST SENTENCE WHERE IT SAYS AND OR CULTURAL EXPERIENCES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ENHANCING ALL OF THE THINGS THAT ARE LISTED IN THERE WITH REGARD TO THE ECO

TOURISM EXPERIENCE. >> THE OTHER THING WAS TO INCLUDE IN THE SPECIFIC OPPONENTS FOR THE OPERATIONAL PLAN AND EVACUATION PLAN AND I POST INFORMATION ABOUT POST

DISASTER CLEANUP. >> SO WE PUT THOSE IN THERE AS WELL.

AND SO IF YOU ALL ARE INTERESTED IF YOU THINK THAT YOU'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT YOU CAN MAKE THE THE MOTION TO APPROVE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT THOSE CHANGES BE INCLUDED JUST SO YOU KNOW WHAT THE OPTION IS RIBAUT IF YOU'RE NOT THAT'S OKAY TOO.

>> I'M SORRY. WHAT YOU EXPLAIN IN YOUR THROAT KIND OF QUICKLY IS JUST THE

INDOOR. YES. >> SO AS IT READS RIGHT NOW THAT SENTENCE SAYS THAT THE OPERATORS SHY OF THE ORIGINAL SO STRIKING AND STRIKING THE ORE SO THAT ALL OF THEM ARE ADDRESSED IN SOME WAY. AND IT'S NOT KIND OF A PICK AND CHOOSE BUT ALL OF THEM ARE ADDRESSED IN THAT SENSE KIND OF EQUALLY.

>> YES OR WAIT EQUAL. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT ONE DOESN'T GET LEFT OUT. ESSENTIALLY WE WANT THEM ALL TO WEIGH EQUALLY.

LIKE YOU SAID AND THEN IN THE OPERATING PLAN SECTION THEY'RE ADDING AN EVACUATION PLAN AS PART OF THE OPERATIONAL PLAN AND ADDING POST DISASTER CLEANUP OPERATIONS ESSENTIALLY AS A PART OF THE OPERATIONAL PLAN. AND WHEN YOU'RE THINKING OF ECO TOURISM, IF YOU'LL REMEMBER WHEN WE GO BACK TO THE DEFINITION YOU WANT TO PRESERVE, CONSERVE AND PROMOTE SUSTAINABLE ECO TOURISM. RIGHT.

AND SO WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH SOME OF THE EVENTS THAT HAPPEN HERE HURRICANES AND THE OTHER THING WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE WHO'S ALL THE GUESTS, ALL THE EMPLOYEES THERE, THE FACILITIES ARE APPROPRIATELY THOUGHT ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TO EVACUATION HANDLING THIS DISASTERS AND THAT CLEANUP IS HANDLED RESPONSIBLY SO THAT WE'RE NOT IN UNINTENTIONALLY AGAIN DAMAGING THOSE ECOSYSTEMS OR COMMUNITIES WE'RE TRYING TO CONSERVE, PRESERVE AND BE

SUSTAINABLE WITH DOING THAT THE ILLEGAL LANDS OR FOOD BY STAFF. >> YES, OK.

SO WE CAN MAKE ONE MOTION ON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION RATHER THAN TWO SEPARATE ONES.

YES. QUESTIONS I THINK YOU'VE BEEN VERY THOROUGH.

>> I MEAN WE WENT THROUGH THIS PRETTY WELL LAST TIME AND YOU REALLY ADDRESSED THAT EVERYONE ELSE IS. YEAH, WELL MY STORY. NICE JOB.

OK. MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO IMPROVE THE TEXAS MINUTE TO MINUTE TO TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION FOUR POINT ONE POINT THREE PER YOUR ECO TOURISM. I'M SORRY. MY MOTION.

OK. THAT'S GOOD. >> SECOND QUESTIONS COMMENTS.

ALL THE IN TABLE WITH EMOTION. RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT'S UNANIMOUS MOTION APPROVED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. OK. ALL RIGHT.

ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON THE AGENDA SODIUM AMENDMENT REZONING REQUEST.

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I'M SORRY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT LAST ONE. >> I'M SORRY FOR IT.

>> YOUR SURE DID YOU I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I DIDN'T KNOW YOU HAD A QUESTION OR A COMMENT THAT YOU AND ADAM I'M ASSUMING ALL THESE WERE FOR THAT.

IT'S OKAY. I CAN SEE BOTH. SO BRIEF COMMENT.

WAS JUST OFFERING OUR SON OUR SUPPORT FOR STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CHANGES.

I BELIEVE WE BELIEVE THAT IT'S IN LINE WITH THE INTENT ECOTOURISM USE UNDER THE CODE .

THE ONLY ADDITIONAL SUGGESTION WE IDENTIFIED WAS TO MAYBE ADD A LINE ABOUT HOW WASTEWATER GENERATED ON SITE WILL BE MANAGED AND THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED AT A LATER DATE TO YOU. BUT IN TOTAL WE THOUGHT THEY WERE VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT ROTATIONS. WELL WHEN WE TAKE CARE OF THAT WHILE WE'RE HERE I MEAN DO YOU

WANT TO ADDRESS THAT TO THE SHORT? >> YES, IT COULD BE INCLUDED THERE AND THE OPERATIONAL PLAN. I'M ALSO TAKING A LOOK BACK AT THESE OTHER SECTIONS OF THE COMMUNITY IMPACT STATEMENTS, YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT.

IF THAT WERE REQUIRED WOULD WANT TO ADDRESS IMPACTS AIR QUALITY AMOUNT NOISE POLLUTION.

ARE THERE TOXIC CHEMICALS ON SITE ENVIRONMENT AND MENTAL IMPACTS TO SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND COMMUNITY IMPACTS OF PUBLIC PRIVATE ROADS? IMPACTS ON THE RISK OF FLOODING, RISK OF GROUNDWATER DEPLETION, WATER POLLUTION, SOIL INSTABILITY OR SAFETY FOR SITE USERS AND ANY IMPACTS TO FEDERAL FEDERALLY OR STATE ENDANGERED OR THREATENED SPECIES OR THOSE THAT ARE LIKELY CANDIDATES WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE SITE. SO I'M NOT. IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY TALK

ABOUT YOUR YOUR STORMWATER WAS WASTEWATER. >> SO YEAH, THAT COULD DEFINITELY BE SOMETHING THAT WE INCLUDE IF IT KIND OF FALLS INTO THAT UTILITY.

>> ANY WORDS THAT YOU WANT TO PUT AROUND THAT? YEAH.

SO LET'S SEE HOW WE WOULD DO IT. >> SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOUR POINT 1 3 3 0 UNDER LETTER B. YES. AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT ADDING A

COMMA TO COMMON PHRASE AFTER WE COULD. >> YEAH.

YES. NUMBER AND TYPES OF AMENITIES. ON WHICH ONE OR MAYBE AFTER HOW UTILITIES WILL BE PROVIDED HOW WASTEWATER WILL BE HANDLED WHICH THEN FOLLOWS HOW SOLID

WASTE WILL BE DISPOSED OF . >> SO YOU'RE KIND OF IN THE SAME VEIN RIGHT THERE THAT

THAT'S SMART. >> YEAH. YEAH.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I GUESS WE NEED TO APPROVE THAT MISSION. WE KNOW THAT DISCUSSION. I'M SORRY.

NO, DON'T WE HAVE TO RESCIND THE LAST. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO RESCIND IT. YOU'RE MODIFYING IT. WELL, TO JUST HAVE ANOTHER MOTION. I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOMENT THE MOTION IS PROPER. MY ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER OUT OF WAR.

WELL, IT WAS A UNANIMOUS DECISION. >> SO GENERALLY IT WOULD BE A PERSON IN DISSENT TO BRING THE QUESTION UP. BUT SINCE I WAS UNANIMOUS I THINK IT'S OK TO PROVIDE TO OFFER AMENDMENT. THAT'S HOW WE WANT TO HANDLE IT. I THINK WE'VE MOVED TO ANOTHER MEETING IDEALISM IN.

ALL RIGHT. WE MAY HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENT TO WASHINGTON OR THE CONSIDERATION FOR WASTEWATER TREATMENT MANAGEMENT TO THE ECO TOURS GUIDELINES SIMILAR. I'LL MOVE SECOND, SECOND, SECOND I FURTHER DISCUSSION ALTHOUGH I WAS IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, JESSE. ED, I JUST THINK FOR THE RECORD JESSE NEEDS TO BE IDENTIFIED.

MAYBE PEOPLE ON AUDIENCE DON'T WHO SHE IS AND WHO SHE REPRESENTS.

OK. I THINK YOU SAID WHEN SHE GOT OUT.

I DON'T THINK SHE DID. NO, SHE DIDN'T. >> FOR THE RECORD, JESSE WHITE,

I HAVE THAT COASTAL CONSERVATION LEAGUE. >> I THOUGHT I HEARD.

[8. ZONING MAP AMENDMENT/REZONING REQUEST FOR 94.47 ACRES (R600 008 000 0016 0000 AND R600 008 000 0001 0000) KNOWN AS THE COOLER TRACT LOCATED ACROSS THE INTERSECTION OF OKATIE HIGHWAY (SC 170) AND LOWCOUNTRY DRIVE (SC 462) FROM T2 RURAL TO C3 NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE AND C5 REGIONAL CENTER MIXED USE DISTRICTS. ]

NOW ITEM EIGHT I NEED TO REREAD THIS AS YOU ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS.

DO I NEED TO REREAD THE AMENDMENT THAT YOU WERE ASKING ? YEAH, WELL LET ME JUST DO THAT ZONING MAP AMENDMENT REZONING REQUEST FOR NINETY FOUR POINT SEVEN EIGHT FOR SEVEN ACRES KNOWN AS THE COUGAR TRACK LOCATED ACROSS THE INTERSECTION OF OKATIE HIGHWAY SOUTH 170 AND LOW COUNTRY DRIVE SOUTH CAROLINA 462 FROM TEAGUE TO RURAL TO 3 C 3 NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE AND C 5 REGIONAL CENTER.

MIXED USE DISTRICTS. >> I BELIEVE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE ARE PROBABLY HERE FOR A LOT OF THIS SO I'LL DO MY BEST TO SORT MY PRESENTATION SO WE CAN GET TO THEIR SPEECH. THAT'S THE REQUESTED REZONING CURRENTLY IT'S T TWO ARE AND

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WHERE THE C 3 REQUEST IS. >> BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT STRAIGHT ZONING THEY'VE ALSO SUBMITTED A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT KIND OF MODIFIES SOME OF THE STANDARDS WITHIN THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS. SO A LOT OF THE CONVERSATION YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR TONIGHT IS GONNA BE SHEET AROUND THAT PACKAGE OF HOW THEY'VE SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KIND OF HAS A GENERAL UNDERSTANDING OF THAT BEFORE WE REALLY GET INTO IT. SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT GENERAL APPLICATION? NORMALLY WE WOULDN'T SEE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ACCOMPANIED BY A REZONING REQUEST. WE WERE THE PLANNING COMMISSION DIRECTED DEVELOPMENT.

HE WOULD RULE ON THE ZONING REQUEST IN AND OF ITSELF. >> BUT THERE'S THERE'S ITEMS IN THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT ARE DIRECTLY RELATED TO HOW LAND IS DEVELOPED AND ZONING

OF THE PROPERTY. >> SO IT IS TO YES. JUST FOR THE RECORD WE HAVE NOT BEEN ADVISED BY A LABOR COUNCIL WHERE THE COUNTY LEASED I HAVE NOT BEEN THIS IS A LEAK VERY LEGAL MATTER. OK. YEAH.

THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS NOT THIS IS IT WE'RE NOT HERE TO NEGOTIATE A DEVELOPMENT

AGREEMENT. >> WE'RE HERE JUST SIMPLY TO CONSIDER THE APPLICATION AND LISTEN TO THE APPLICANT AND MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE AND THEN YOU ALL CAN CAN VOTE ON THAT. BUT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS JUST A PART OF THE APPLICATION. SO I'LL JUST KIND OF GET RIGHT INTO WHAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS. SO THEN WE CAN KIND OF WORK BACKWARDS FROM THEIR STAFF AND I'M SORRY ROB'S NOT HERE TONIGHT. SO YOU GET ME TONIGHT.

>> STAFF'S POSITION ON THIS IS WE RECOMMEND AND I'LL OF THE APPLICATION AS IT HAS BEEN

SUBMITTED. >> HOWEVER, WE CAN SUPPORT THE PROPERTY IN THE REZONING OF THE

C 3 DISTRICT ACROSS THE ENTIRE SITE. >> SO THAT WOULD REMOVE THE C 5 DISTRICT B C 3 AND IN ADDITION THAT AND SUPPORT IT IF THE USE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO MODIFY THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CDC ALSO GO AWAY. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE MAIN COMPONENT WHERE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION COMES INTO PLAY SO WE CAN SUPPORT REZONING THEIR PROPERTY AND UP ZONING IT FROM RURAL. BUT WE TAKE ISSUE WITH THE C 5 AND THE USE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THE USE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS USED TO HELP MAKE A LOT SMALLER AND BRING SOME STUFF DOWN AND TO REMOVE AND EXEMPT THEMSELVES THINGS THE C 3 ZONING DISTRICT ALREADY WITHIN THE CDC ALLOWS FOR PATH FOR SMALL OR LOT TYPE DEVELOPMENT LIKE THEY'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO BRING THE REQUIREMENTS OF WHAT THE CODE REQUIRES IN CERTAIN TREES ROAD SECTIONS JUST THE DESIGN AND THE OVERALL

LOOK OF THE COMMUNITY. >> SO IT'S WITHIN ONE SIDE WE'RE SAYING WE DON'T RECOMMEND APPROVAL BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE WE'RE OFFERING PATHS FORWARD AND THEN WITHIN THAT IN ADDITION TO THE SEAT 3 WHICH WOULD ALLOW THEM TO DO A TRADITIONAL SUBURBAN STYLE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD ALLOW THEM TO DO A TRADITIONAL STYLE NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH WILL ALLOW THEM TO DO SOME SMALLER LOTS AND SOME OTHER THINGS TO GET SOME MORE USES, SOME INCREASED

DENSITY. >> IT ALSO ALLOWS THEM TO DO A PLACE TYPE OVERLAY BECAUSE THIS AREA IN THE COMP PLAN ALONG THIS AREA IS WHAT'S DESIGNATED AS A HAMLET AND THIS CORRIDOR AND THAT HAMLET PRETTY MUCH DEFINES DEVELOPMENT ALONG THOSE AREAS AS WALKABLE MIXED USED

NEIGHBORHOODS OF QUALITY DESIGN . >> SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY GENERAL QUESTIONS OF KIND OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF THE STRUCTURE OF HOW THIS APPLICATION CAME IN? THE ONLY THING I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLARIFIED.

>> THE APPLICANT ISN'T REQUESTING C 3 ACROSS JUST AN OPTION YOU SEE AS A VIABLE ALTERNATIVE. SO WE'RE NOT HERE TO CONSIDER WHAT THE APPLICANT DIDN'T ASK FOR. WE'RE HERE TO CONSIDER WHAT THE APPLICANT DID ASK FOR.

THAT'S CORRECT. SO I JUST WANT TO DESTROY THAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

THERE WAS LANGUAGE THAT WASN'T SOMETIMES WE HAVE THESE JUST YOU KNOW, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL DENIAL THAT JUST IS ONE OF THOSE WHERE IT'S IT'S RECOMMENDED NIALL AS SUBMITTED.

>> HOWEVER, I UNDERSTAND QUESTIONS. >> WHEN WAS THAT RECOMMENDATION MADE? IT WENT OUT WITH A STAFF REPORT ALSO THE DEVELOPER HAS THIS HAS THE RECOMMENDATION OF RECOMMENDING IT TO US. YEAH.

SO THIS IS IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT WENT OUT AS A PART OF YOUR PLAN.

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>> OH YEAH RIGHT. I HAVEN'T. YEAH.

DOES THE DEVELOPER DEVELOP DEVELOP OR HAVE IT WAS YOU FINDING OUT ABOUT IT TONIGHT.

OH I DON'T KNOW. WHEN YOU GONNA OPEN UP I MEAN IT'S ONLINE YOU CAN GO GET THESE PACKETS ONLINE. OTHER QUESTIONS POINT THE THE STAFF CONSIDER C3 WHICH IS A NEIGHBORHOOD BEING ON 170 AND 462 WHICH IS A VERY BUSY ROAD YOU MEAN STYLE NEIGHBORHOOD ON

YOUR 170. >> YEAH WELL I MEAN THERE'S ALSO YEAH.

SO IF YOU LOOK IN THE STAFF REPORT AND YOU CAN REALLY GET INTO IT SEE THREE ALLOWS FOR OTHER DEVELOPMENT STYLES THAN OTHER JUST SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOUSING.

ALSO THERE'S ALSO OPPORTUNITIES LIKE TOWNHOMES MULTIFAMILY AND SMALL VILLAGE LIKE TYPE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AS WELL IN C3 AND C3 THERE'S WITHIN THE C 3 YOU HAVE THESE OPTIONS TO

WORK TOWARDS DEVELOPING PROPERTY IN THAT MANNER. >> AND SEE 5 C FIVE WOULD BE YOUR MOST INTENSE COMMERCIAL HEAVY USE HIGHEST RESIDENT PARTY STYLE MULTIFAMILY AND THE

COMPLAINT DOES NOT CALL FOR THAT IN THIS AREA. >> THE QUESTIONS THAT CAN

ALREADY HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. >> I'M SORRY.

YES. >> ON THE C 5 THIS IS THAT LIKE LARGE COMMERCIAL IS THAT LIKE HOME DEPOT OR LOWE'S OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WOULD WE SEE 5 WOULD BE ONE OF RE MOST REGIONAL HEAVY USE COMMERCIAL LIKE TYPE ZONE THINGS.

IT WOULD PRETTY MUCH CAPTURE A LOT OF AUTO AUTO CENTRIC LEVEL LIKE STYLE TYPE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ALSO. YEAH IT WOULD ALSO ALLOW FOR YOU KNOW INTENSE MULTIFAMILY AS WELL. OH AND THE THE APPLICANT IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION THAT THEY PROVIDED REFERRED TO THAT AREA AND I BELIEVE THEY HAD SOME TYPE OF LIMITATION ON

THEIR APPLICATION FOR COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE. >> WE READY TO GO TO APPLICANT ALL RIGHT. SURE. WOULD YOU PLEASE COME UP TO I'M NOT SURE WHO'S SPEAKING FIRST BUT HI, I'M JOSH TAYLOR REJECTED UNTIL ASSOCIATES AND I'M REPRESENTING RICK COOLER WHO'S THE APPLICANT THE PROPERTY OWNER ALONG WITH HIS BROTHERS WHO ARE ALSO HERE. AND MR. HENLEY, I THINK TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION AND WE WE DID RECEIVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION I GOT IT THIS MORNING.

SO WE'VE HAD A LITTLE BIT OPPORTUNE TO REACT TO IT. WE WE SUBMITTED THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THE REQUEST FOR SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE ZONING AND THAT WAS REQUIRED AND REQUESTED BY STAFF AND COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION.

SO THAT'S WHY WE SUBMITTED IT THIS WAY. BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO CONSIDER THE STRAIGHT UP ZONING THE C 5 AND THE C 3 C 5 ON THE FRONT AND C THREE ON THE BACK PARCEL JUST AS THAT AS A CONSIDERATION PER PLANNING COMMISSION BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER

QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS. >> I GUESS THE QUESTION ABOUT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WHAT I HEAR IS THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO SEPARATE THOSE TWO THINGS THE

DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THE REZONING REQUEST. >> IS THAT IS THAT CORRECT?

>> I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT THE STAFF SAID SO.

RIGHT. SO IS THIS THE CORRECT TIME TO OPEN UP THE ISSUE ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND SCHOOL IMPACT FEES GIVEN THE LETTER THAT WE RECEIVED FROM SCHOOL DEPARTMENT OR IS THAT NOT A BIT MORE? WELL, THE SCHOOL IMPACT FEES IS A QUESTION THAT WOULD BE RETAINED TO THE REZONING OF THE DISTRICT IN THE DENSITY.

THAT'S GOING TO PROVIDE IN THAT SECTION OF MY SECTION. BUT THE WE'RE NOT HERE TO CONSIDER THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT GOES

FORWARD TO COUNTY COUNCIL. SO. >> SO I CAN ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT SCHOOL IMPACT FEES AND THIS PROJECT RELATIVE TO THAT. SEPARATE FROM THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ISSUE. WELL, WHAT WE'RE REALLY HAVE TO CONSIDER IS THE REQUEST FOR THE REZONING AS IT WAS STATED AND NOT THE OTHER OPTIONS WHICH WE HAVE NOT BEEN.

RIGHT. AND NOT TO TALK ABOUT DEVELOPMENT SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT STAFF SUGGESTED IS ENTIRELY A BURGER FINDING COMMISSION TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PUBLIC ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT THAT MIGHT BE AFFECTED BY THE DEVELOPMENT.

>> SO WHEN I ASK YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE IMPACT ON SCHOOLS. YES, THAT'S CERTAIN OF COURSE.

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>> YOU WANT TO START WITH THAT? >> NO. I MEAN I THINK THE.

WELL, LET ME READ THE PROTOCOL. LET ME LET ME REFERENCE WHAT YOU WERE SPEAKING TO.

I RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. I'M TAKING A POSITION THAT WAS OPPOSED TO THE REZONING REQUEST. SO I THINK THERE SOME QUESTION THAT THEY WOULD THEY'D LIKE TO MEET WITH THE APPLICANT AND THEY SAY AT THIS POINT CANNOT APPROVE IT FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT ONE.

I JUST CAME TODAY. I JUST RECEIVED SANTANA. SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEEN CIRCULATED OR THERE'S A COPY AVAILABLE FOR THE APPLICANT. WE WE RELEASE IT ON OR THE WHEN I GO OUT THE REASONINGS ARE SUBMITTED OUT TO DIFFERENT JURISDICTION.

>> AND SO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT RECEIVED THIS CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT NOT LONG AGO THEN AND THAT'S WHAT WAS FORWARDED ON TO YOU.

AND ESSENTIALLY IT JUST HAD COMMENTS THAT WERE SUPPOSED MAY PART OF THIS.

AND OF COURSE WE GOT IT AFTER THE PACKETS WENT OUT. SO IT'S HERE FOR YOUR ALL'S CONSIDERATION. BUT I THINK IN THE LETTER IT BASICALLY WAS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT OR THE APPLICANT HAD NOT REACHED OUT TO THEM TO DISCUSS THAT IN A MANNER AND THEY WERE INTERESTED HAVING THAT DISCUSSION WE RECEIVED I RECEIVED IT TODAY.

>> SO ONE PAGE LETTER THAT FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT TO THE POINT I'M JUST MAKING THAT THEY WERE VERY MUCH GREATER IN EXCESS CAPACITY IN THE AREA AND THEY WERE INTERESTED IN WHETHER OR NOT THE APPLICANT WAS GOING TO BE PAYING IMPACT FEES IF THEY WOULD EVEN CONSIDER THAT.

I THINK THEY NEED TO BE PROVIDING A COPY OF THE LETTER. DON'T EVER AS PART OF THE PACKAGE PACKAGE DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE LETTER? WE CAN SEND ONE TO DID YOU WANT TO ASK A SPECIFIC QUESTION TO THAT? OR DID YOU WANT TO I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO SORT OF SURFACE YOU HOW A PERSON MIGHT TALK ABOUT IMPACT FEES AND THE SCHOOL DEPARTMENT'S LETTER WHETHER IT WAS ON THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ISSUE OR WHETHER IT WAS ON THE MORE GENERAL UP ZONING OF THIS PARCEL.

>> AND YOU'VE ANSWERED THAT I MAY MAY HAVE QUESTIONS LATER BUT I THINK OTHER PEOPLE PROBABLY WANT TO SPEAK. THERE WAS ALSO A QUESTION. OK, GO AHEAD PLEASE.

YEAH. >> REALLY QUESTIONS, COMMENT. I TRAVELED THIS TO THIS STREET 170 EVERY DAY SO IT'S A 60 MILE AN HOUR HIGHWAY WITH ROUGHLY ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON IT AS 90 THOUGHT YOU MEASURE IT DAY TO DAY. I JUST DIDN'T SEE A NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE IN THERE. I MEAN I'LL CUT RIGHT TO THE CHASE. IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM PRACTICAL TO ME THAT THAT SOMEONE YOU

KNOW WOULD WANT TO PUT AN 170. >> WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE PLANS ARE FOR IT.

I SAW COUNTY COUNCIL PRESENTATION WHERE THERE'S A NUMBER OF OPTIONS FOR 170 THAT ARE BEING LOOKED AT. IT'S CERTAINLY IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN TO DO SOMETHING THERE. BUT I THINK ANYBODY THAT HAS GONE OVER HERE YOU CAN SEE THIS IS RIGHT ACROSS FROM WHERE THAT TERM IS FOR 462 WHICH IS USUALLY BACKED UP TO THE SECOND

TURN. >> THAT'S RIGHT UP 100 ABSOLUTELY BEHIND IT.

AND IF YOU GO THERE TO THIRTY IN THE AFTERNOON ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET YOU'VE GOT ALL THE PARENTS TRYING TO GET INTO THE SCHOOL THERE TO PICK UP THEIR KIDS.

>> I JUST GOTTA SAY I WOULDN'T EVEN CONSIDER THIS AT NIGHT. I WOULDN'T WASTE FIVE MINUTES ON THIS UNTIL SOMEBODY PRESENTS A PLAN FOR 170 AND MY GUESS IS 170 IS GOING TO BECOME A SEX SLAVE ROAD AT SOME POINT JUST LIKE 278 IS. AND DO WE WANT TO HAVE NEIGHBORHOODS HANGING OVER A SIX LANE HIGHWAY WHERE PEOPLE ARE DRIVING 60 MILES AN HOUR?

>> THERE'S NO FENDER BENDERS ON 170. THERE ARE MAJOR CRASHES ON ONE 7 TOWNS IN RUIDOSO SAY IT'S A FENDER THAT IS LONG GONE, LONG GONE.

>> PEOPLE DON'T WANT LIGHTS. THEY DON'T WANT LIGHTS. WELL, IT DOESN'T LOOK WHAT IT

TOOK TO GET A LIGHT THERE AT THAT TERM, RIGHT? >> I MEAN I'M NOT THAT'S NOT

YOUR PROBLEM. IT'S NOT YOUR PROBLEM. >> BUT THERE IS NO WAY THAT AREA CAN SUPPORT THREE HUNDRED SOMETHING. PLUS I GOT A HARD TIME SUPPORTING 30 THAT YOU COULD GET RIGHT NOW WITH THE PRESENT ZONING.

>> I THINK YOU'D HAVE A HARD TIME PRESSING THAT. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DESIGN SOMETHING TO GET IN AND OUT OF IT WITH 30 CARS MAKING 60 TRIPS A DAY IN AND OUT OF HERE

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>> ONE OF THE INGREDIENTS OF THIS SIMPLE QUEST IS A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.

I KNOW THAT IT WAS THREE YEARS OLD SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE MORE CURRENT INFORMATION BUT CERTAINLY THERE'S BEEN A LOT PUBLISHED IN THAT CORNER THAT WOULD SUGGEST THERE'S A LOT STUDY 20 30 EXPIRY THAT THEY'VE GOT PLANS OR THEY'VE GOT PROJECTS IDENTIFIED THAT WOULD

EXPAND 170 FROM OKATIE TO RG BOULEVARD. >> ANOTHER PLAN FROM ARGENT

BOULEVARD UP TO 462 AND THEN 462 SNAKE ROAD. >> SO THERE IS A CONFLUENCE HERE OF THREE MAJOR ARTERIES THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF MASSIVE DEVELOPMENT ON ARGENT BOULEVARD EAST AND ON DOWN 170 AND MALE AND BLUFFED AND THERE'S CONTINUING APPLICANTS FOR PROPERTY TO BE DEVELOPED. SO THERE IS THERE'S A REAL NOT HERE IN THAT PARTICULAR CARTER AS IT PERTAINS TO TRAFFIC AND THEN I DON'T THINK ANYBODY KNOWS THE IMMEDIATE VERDICT ARE GOING TO HAS THE MONEY OR THE IMMEDIATE PLAN TO REMEDY THAT SHORT TERM.

AND THIS PROPOSAL IS RIGHT IN THE SMACK MIDDLE OF WHERE THAT NOT IS.

DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT'S BEEN UPDATED OR IS THE COUNTY HAVE ONE THAT THEY WANT OFFERED? THAT WAS THE MOST RECENT TRAFFIC STUDY WE PROVIDED FROM

DECEMBER 2019. >> OK. THAT'S THE MOST REASONABLE WE HAVE. YOU HAVE ANY PLANS TO UPDATE THAT? AND AT THE MOMENT NO YOU HAVE TO ME WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT OUR PEOPLE BEALE

ENGINEERING WHERE AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT. >> YEAH, SO WE HAVE.

>> THAT WAS A PART OF THE APPLICATION ITSELF. THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND SOME OF THE DATA THAT I NOTICED AND I BELIEVE WE HAD TO GET SOME SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION THAT'S IN CURRENTLY THAT SHE HAS NOW BEFORE WHAT SHE NEEDS TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

BUT TO YOUR POINT IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE OUTDATED. TRAP THE STRATEGY.

>> IF I'M IF I MIGHT I'M SORRY. YEAH. YES, MA'AM.

THE GREENWAY PARTY DOESN'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF A A COUPLE OF YEARS WORTH OF INSTITUTIONAL

KNOWLEDGE ABOUT 170 CORRIDOR. >> WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING A STUDY OF 170 RIGHT NOW.

OUR FOCUS IS ON OUR JUST ALL THE WAY OUT TO 78 CURRENTLY BUT WE'RE EXPANDING THAT DO.

>> AND WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING PARTICULARLY HOW WE RESOLVE THE CONFLICTS AT 462 AND 170 AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO AT OLDFIELD AND THE INTERSECTION WITH THE COMMERCIAL AREA THEY ARE HARDY VILLE. I THINK IT'S INCUMBENT UPON THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO EVALUATE WHETHER OR NOT THAT YOU FEEL THAT THIS AREA WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON ACROSS THE ROAD IN HARDY VILLE AND DOWN THE SIDE OF THE JOHN PAUL SCHOOL BACK TO ESSENTIALLY PARKER'S IN THAT DIRECTION THAT SNAKE ROAD IF YOU ALL FEEL THAT THIS AREA CAN REASONABLY BE CONSIDERED WITH FRONTAGE ON A FOUR LANE DIVIDED MEDIAN HIGHWAY AND ALL THE STUFF GOING ON FOR 60 DO IF IT CAN STILL BE CONSIDERED TO BE A RURAL ZONING CLASSIFICATION AND OUR RULE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THIS PROPERTY IS SANDWICHED IN BETWEEN TOWNHOMES FRONTING 170 SCRAWLED ST. JOHN PAUL SCHOOL CROSS STREET FROM THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THE TOWN OF HARDY WE'LL CROSS STREET FROM A HOSPICE CARE CENTER GOING IN ALL 170.

>> SO YOU KNOW THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHICH CARS TO TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS I WILL TELL YOU IS COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE COUNTY.

I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE COUNTY OF BEAUFORT CAN CONTINUE AND THIS IS GOING TO SOUND HARSH AND I DON'T MEAN TO SOUND HARSH. WE CANNOT CONTINUE NOR SHOULD WE EXPECT FOR THE TAXPAYERS OF THE CITY FOR I MEAN FOR THE COUNTY OF BEAUFORT TO FOOT THE BILL FOR PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT ON TRACK EDUCATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS.

>> SO IF THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE APPLICANT WANT TO DO THIS DEVELOPMENT, THEN THEY NEED TO BE WILLING TO COME TO THE TABLE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND SAY HEY, HERE ARE OUR IMPACTS ON

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AND THIS IS THE WAY WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THESE THINGS AND WE'RE GOING TO CLEAN UP THE INTERSECTION OF 462 AND 170. THAT NEEDS TO BE ON THE TABLE AND I HOPE YOU ALL WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION OR IF YOU WANT TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL WORK WITH EVERYBODY HERE THIS EVENING, WE'LL BE GLAD TO DO THAT. BUT PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT AND BEAUFORT COUNTY NEEDS TO START CARING AND ITS FAIR SHARE OF THE LOAD ON INFRASTRUCTURE AND THAT APPLIES IN MY OPINION TO OTHER JURISDICTIONS AS WELL. NO LONGER CAN WE ALLOW OTHER JURISDICTIONS TO ANNEX IN OUR COUNTY COLLEGE TRAFFIC IMPACTS ON US WITH DEVELOPERS MAKING A LOT OF MONEY AND THEY MAKE A LOT OF TAX MONEY AND THEN THEM COME ACROSS THE TABLE AND SAY HEY YOU'VE ME.

WE CREATED A PROBLEM FOR YOU WITH TRANSPORTATION ISSUES ON ONE AND TO 78 BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT REQUIRED A DEVELOPER TO DO WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO TO MITIGATE THEIR IMPACT. WHY DON'T YOU ALL HELP US OUT? WE'VE SPENT MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT NOW ON TO 78 170 . WE'RE GOING TO BE SPENDING. FORTUNATELY WE HAVE AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT FOR THE FIRST TIME BECAUSE WE HELP PART WITH JASPER COUNTY AND HARDY VILLE AND BEAUFORT COUNTY TO STUDY WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AT 170 FROM OUR BOULEVARD ALL THE WAY OUT TO 78. SO YEAH. SO VERY GOOD POINT.

THE TSA DOES NEED TO BE UPDATED BEFORE THIS GETS A LOT OF TRACTION DOWN THE ROAD AND IT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED AS A PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

BUT AGAIN THAT CAN HAPPEN WITH REGARDS TO THE REZONING DOWN THE ROAD AS WE GET INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PHASE AT THE COUNTY COUNCIL LEVEL. SO I WANTED YOU ALL TO HEAR THAT PERSPECTIVE. YOU'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION ON WHETHER OR NOT THE LAND USES THE APPROPRIATE THE STAFF ANALYSIS IS VERY THOROUGH A MARK.

ROB DID A VERY THOROUGH JOB FOR YOU ALL LAYING OUT THE OPTIONS THERE.

WE DO NOT OF POINT BLANK C 3 AND C 5 ON THIS PROPERTY BUT THERE ARE SOME OPTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN LAID OUT IN THE STAFF ANALYSIS FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER WITH REGARDS TO PLACE TYPE OVERLAYS AND OTHER TRADITIONAL COMMUNITY PLANS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT I THINK

YOU ALL NEED TO EVALUATE AS PART OF THIS. >> YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE IN THE MOMENT. I'M QUITE RAMBLING HERE IN A SECOND. GOOD. VERY HELPFUL.

YOU'RE A YOU'RE GONNA HEAR FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE IN THE MOMENT THAT'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND POSSIBLY SOME JUST SAY THEY DON'T WANT

TO SEE ANYTHING THERE. >> WELL, IT'S ON A FOUR LANE DIVIDED HIGHWAY.

THERE'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THERE. SO WE PROBABLY ALL NEED TO COME TOGETHER IN A ROOM WITH THE APPLICANT AND THE DEVELOPER AND SOME OF THE FOLKS FROM FROM BEHIND ME HERE AND WE PROBABLY NEED TO SIT DOWN AND SEE IF WE CAN HAMMER OUT SOME REASONABLE SOLUTION OF THIS BEFORE IT GOES MUCH FURTHER IN THE PROCESS INCLUDING WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE SCHOOL. WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE TRANSPORTATION ARE THE TWO KEY

ELEMENTS OF THAT. >> SO DO WE EVER GET AN ESTIMATE OF SUPPORT ABILITY FROM EMERGENCY SERVICES? EMERGENCY SERVICES WILL NOT BE AN ISSUE.

THEY'RE WILLING TO TRY TO DEVELOP AN AGREEMENT. THEY'RE WILLING TO SET ASIDE A PUBLIC SAFETY SITE IF WE NEED TO ON THIS PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LIKELIHOOD OF THAT WOULD BE. I THINK THERE IS AN AGREEMENT IN THE OLD VILLE PLAN THAT CALLS FOR A PUBLIC SAFETY SITE BUT SO FAR OFF THE PUBLIC ROAD THAT IT REALLY WOULDN'T DO ANY GOOD. BASED ON THE FIRE SERVICES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT

AGREEMENT SAY OK, YOU WANT SOME ADDITIONAL DENSITY HERE? >> MR. DEVELOPER, THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE FOR BEAUFORT COUNTY IN ORDER TO GIVE YOU THAT ADDITIONAL DENSITY THIS TIME FOR US TO DO. WELL THOUGHT OUT EXEC DID PLANNING ON THIS.

THAT BENEFITS NOT ONLY THE DEVELOPER BUT ALSO DEVELOPERS JUST SURROUNDING COMMUNITY AND IS A BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY SO THAT TAXPAYERS THAT LIVE OUTSIDE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AREN'T HAVING TO FOOT THE BILL TO FINANCE AND SUBSIDIZE THIS PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT WHERE

THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE A LOT OF MONEY OFF OF THIS PROPERTY. >> WELL, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CLARIFICATIONS. A VERY, VERY USEFUL.

NO, I I'M PLEASED TO HEAR THAT WE HAVE A WORKING PARTNERSHIP WITH SO LOCAL AND AND HEART AND ALREADY BILL HAS ALREADY BUILT THE WHOLE RIGHT SIDE 171 DOWN NOBODY AND THERE'S A LOT GOING ON IN THEIR CAMP. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO WHAT THAT PARTNERSHIP MIGHT LOOK LIKE AS IT PERTAINS TO THIS ISSUE. YEAH. AND JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW YOU

HAVE A COMPLETE UNDERSTANDING OF THE BACKGROUND HERE. >> THIS PROPERTY WAS ORIGINALLY LOOKED AT BY HARDY. WELCOME TO ANNEX OR CRAWLS 170 TO BE THE FIRST TIME THEY COME ACROSS 170 IF THAT HAPPENS. BUT THEY BECAUSE OF SOME INFORMATION THAT WAS CONVEYED

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COUNTY TELLS YOU KNOW, THEN YOU COME BACK AND TALK TO US. >> SO I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT PARTICULAR PICTURE AND DYNAMIC.

>> OK. SO THANK YOU JOSH. >> AND YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE AT THIS POINT? I'M SURE I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

WELL, WE WANT TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT.

I'M GOING TO ENTERTAIN AT THIS POINT. THANK YOU.

JOSH, I'M GOING TO TAKE THIS POINT PUBLIC CONFIDENCE COMMENTS.

I THINK I'M GOING TO LEVERAGE 12 OF THESE. SOMEBODY ASKED PLEASE IF YOU THERE'S SOME WAY I'LL SAY SOMETHING YOU WANT TO SAY TO PLEASE KEEP BRIEF.

>> WE ALLOW THREE MINUTES. YOU KNOW, I WE'LL HAVE A GUN OR ANYTHING TO KNOCK YOU OFF PODIUM. BUT I WILL ASK YOU TO PLEASE WRAP IT UP FOR KENT.

I'M JUST GOING TO START DOWN THIS LIST THE WAY IT WAS HANDED TO ME IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER.

JESSE, YOU HAPPEN TO BE THE FIRST PERSON ON PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AGAIN.

HI. MY DEAR. I'M JESSE WHITE WITH THE COASTAL CONSERVATION LEAGUE. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT AGAIN.

WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THE COMMISSION TO DENY THIS REZONING.

IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN DENSITY AS HAS ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED.

AND AS LAID OUT VERY CLEARLY AND WELL ARTICULATED IN THE STAFF REPORT, IT RUNS IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH THE IT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND UNDERMINES THE WELL REASONED DESIGN STANDARDS AND NATURAL RESOURCE PROTECTIONS AFFORDED UNDER THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE AS HAS ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED. THIS IS AN AREA THAT'S ALREADY GOING UNDERGOING SUBSTANTIAL GROWING PAINS AND TRAFFIC CONCERNS.

WE BELIEVE THAT IT'S IRRESPONSIBLE TO INTRODUCE HUNDREDS OF MORE VEHICLES TRIPS AT A LOCATION THAT'S UNDERGOING THESE TYPES OF DIFFICULTIES AND WITHOUT THE PROPER INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT IT. THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ACTUALLY IDENTIFIES A JOINT PLAN WITH JASPER COUNTY AND THE CITY OF HARDY VILLE AS SOMETHING TO PURSUE.

AND SO WE WOULD URGE THE COUNTY TO EXPEDITE THAT THAT EFFORT IN THE IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS AND OTHER DEVELOPMENTS ALONG THE CORRIDOR AS HAS ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED.

THERE ARE SEVERAL REASONINGS ALONG OKATIE 170 CORRIDOR. SEVERAL ARE FOR JASPER COUNTY COUNCIL THIS EVENING. MY COLLEAGUE IS THERE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR A MORATORIUM ON REASONINGS WHICH COULD POTENTIALLY DOVETAIL NICELY IF IF JASPER COUNTY, COUNTY AND THE CITY PARTY BILL CAN LOOK AT NOT ONLY TRAFFIC BECAUSE TRAFFIC CAN NOT SOLVE THIS PROBLEM SIMPLY BY TRAFFIC SOLUTIONS ZONING AND LAND USES ARE A PIECE OF THAT PUZZLE AND STUNNING ON A SITE THAT'S ALREADY UNDERGOING THESE STRAINS IS ADDING FUEL TO THE FIRE. SO IF THE TRAFFIC STUDY CAN BE SUPPLEMENTED WITH A LAND USE STUDY AND AND PURSUING AN ACTUAL COORDINATED PLAN ON THE LAND USES WITH THE JURISDICTIONS THAT STRADDLE THIS CORRIDOR, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND.

>> SIMPLY CAN'T KEEP ADDING MORE HOMES WITHOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT IT.

>> AND AS HAS BEEN REPORTED RECENTLY BY THE FOR JASPER WATER AND SEWER THEY'RE STRUGGLING WITH MEETING AND KEEPING UP WITH CONSUMER DEMAND AND HAVE ACTUALLY ISSUED A TEMPORARY WATER RESTRICTION FOR THIS AREA DUE TO A POWER SURGE, A POWER OUTAGE.

THIS IS ON THE HEELS OF REPORTING A NEW PEAK FOR USAGE WHEN CUSTOMERS USE THREE POINT FOUR OR THREE THIRTY FOUR POINT NINE MILLION GALLONS OF WATER AT A RATE THAT THE

SYSTEM'S ABILITY COULD NOT KEEP UP IN ORDER TO TREAT IT. >> SO ALL OF THESE GROWING PAINS, ALL OF THESE CONCERNS ARE RELEVANT BECAUSE WE'RE ADDING IN MORE PEOPLE ON TOP OF THE SYSTEM THAT'S ALREADY FAILING. AND SO WE URGE YOU TO DENY THIS REZONING. THE PLANNING STAFF LAID OUT IN GREAT DETAIL HOW IT RUNS AFOUL OF THE GOVERNING PLANNING DOCUMENTS AND WE URGE STAFF TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON PURSUING ALTERNATIVES THAT BETTER SUPPORT THE FUTURE VISION FOR THIS REGIONAL CORRIDOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

I THINK. DENNIS, CLICK HERE. MR BRUCE DUNCAN ON TUESDAY.

>> OKAY. >> THANK YOU, SIR. NEIL PUGLIESE IS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME TO CHAT WITH YOU TONIGHT REGARDING THIS MATTER. MY NAME IS NEIL PUGLISI.

I LIVE AT THREE WITH WORLD CIRCLE IN BLUFFTON ALL FEEL I SPEAKING SOLELY FOR MYSELF AS A

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>> I SAID TO TASK FORCES ONE AT THE STATE LEVEL AND ONE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL DEALING WITH

INFRASTRUCTURE AND STORM DRAINAGE. >> PRINCIPALLY DEALING WITH CLIMATE CHANGE SEA LEVEL RISE RICH SOURCING AND SO THESE ARE THE ISSUES WHICH ARE PRESENT IN

THOSE TWO TASK FORCES. >> THEY PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS CASE EXEMPLAR FOR OVERDEVELOPMENT AT THIS TIME GIVEN THE RESOURCES WE'RE DEALING RIGHT NOW IN NORTHERN BEAUFORT COUNTY WITH PLACES THAT SHOULD NEVER EVER HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED AND WE'RE AND

WE'RE PAYING A PRICE NOW. >> SO IT'S LIKE THAT OLD FRAM COMMERCIAL PAY ME NOW OR PAY ME LATER. WELL WE'RE PAYING NOW AND WE'RE GOING TO PAY TO THE TUNE OF MILLIONS IN NORTHERN BEAUFORT COUNTY AS A RESULT OF THE OVERDEVELOPMENT.

WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN FROM THIS AND NOT OUTSTRIP OUR RESOURCES.

NOW I'M AN OLD MILITARY GUY. OK. AND WE OFTEN TALK ABOUT YOU KNOW, AMATEURS TALK TACTICS, PROFESSIONALS TALK LOGISTICS. WELL, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT LOGISTICS HERE. IF WE TAKE A LOOK AT TRAFFIC THE 2019 STUDY IS WOEFULLY INADEQUATE AT PRESENT. THERE'S BEEN AN ENORMOUS INCREASE IN TRAFFIC.

I'M 170 ADDING MORE TRAFFIC OF COURSE IS A PROBLEM. I WAS IN IN THE BEGINNING STAGES OF SO LOCO AND DEVELOPING THE M.S. FOR WITH WITH THE STATE AND THOSE ISSUES. SO THE STORM DRAINS IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL WATER.

>> WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE NEW WATER PROCESSING STATION THAT'S REQUIRED TO SUPPORT THAT AREA. NOW WITH THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE UNTIL 20 25 AND SORT OF WEEK IN I'LL DEFER TO BUTTE FOR FOR WATER TO TALK ABOUT THAT MATTER.

BUT WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO GO AHEAD AND CUT BACK ON OUR WATER USAGE BECAUSE OF THEIR INABILITY TO REPLENISH AT PRESENT GIVEN THE CURRENT THE CURRENT LOAD.

IAN IN FIRE I'LL BE BRIEF WITH THIS ONE. MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR HAD AN ACCIDENT UNDER IDEAL CIRCUMSTANCES IT TOOK IAN JUST 20 MINUTES TO GET THERE.

CAN YOU IMAGINE IF WE HAD ADDITIONAL VEHICLES ON THE ROAD AND OH BY THE WAY THERE'S NO PARALLEL ROAD SO IF YOU GET STUCK ON THAT ROAD AND YOU HIT THE PERFECT STORM, YOU ARE STUCK. YOU'RE GOING NOWHERE. AND SO THAT ISSUE WITH 462 THE ISSUE WITH 170 THOSE ARE VERY REAL ISSUES THAT COULD RESULT IN VERY, VERY BAD THINGS HAPPENING. THIS AREA AND IN MY HUMBLE OPINION JUST CANNOT ABSORB THE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT AT THIS TIME. THE 170 STUDY IS IS VITAL.

I SUSPECT THE FOLKS ARE RIGHT. THIS WILL BECOME THE SIX LANE ROAD.

IT'S BEEN TOUGH. IT'S BEEN SUGGESTED THAT THEY'RE THEY'RE GOING TO ANNEX INTO JASPER COUNTY IF THIS GETS DENIED HERE. I WOULD PROBABLY SUGGEST TO YOU THAT THE PROBLEMS WILL EXIST IN JASPER COUNTY AS THEY EXIST IN BEAUFORT COUNTY AND I SUSPECT ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW THAT JASPER KIND OF WOULD PROBABLY SAY WE DON'T WANT TO TOUCH THIS THING BECAUSE OF ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT ARE THAT ARE PRESENT AND ESPECIALLY WHEN PRESENTED WITH THE WITH THE YOU KNOW, WITH IT WITH THE DATA I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU

JUST CALL IT LIKE YOU SEE IT. >> OKAY. YOU HEARD OUR MY OPINION ON

THIS MATTER. >> JUST CALL IT LIKE YOU SEE IT.

AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR GIVING US THE TIME. THANK YOU, SIR.

>> MARK RUDNICK. >> THANK YOU, MR. COMMISSIONER .

AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. I'M HERE AS THE PRESIDENT THE BOARD OF OLDFIELD CLUB.

WE OBVIOUSLY OWN THE PROPERTY WHICH SITS PROPERTY LIKE MR. PUGLIESE SAID FIRST AND FOREMOST ARE OUR DESIRE WOULD BE THAT THIS PROPERTY REMAIN TRUE TO OUR AS WELL.

HOWEVER, IF THAT DOES NOT BE THE CASE, IF THAT THE COMMISSION DECIDES OTHERWISE, THERE REALLY NEEDS TO BE A BALANCE HERE BETWEEN THE GOALS OF THE DEVELOPER DIFFERENT

COUNTY AND THE RESIDENTS AND THE ENVIRONMENT AS A WHOLE. >> WITH THAT IN MIND I JUST WANT TO TOUCH ON REAL QUICKLY. THE APPLICATION ITSELF AND WHAT WE SEE IN THE APPLICATION IS

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GOOD EVENING. THANKS FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TONIGHT.

MY NAME'S WALLY SWANSON. I LIVE IN GREGORY NECK AND OKATIE WHICH IS OPIUM.

AND MY COMMENTS WERE KIND OF DIVING LITTLE BIT DEEPER INTO THE PROPERTY ITSELF CURRENTLY AS YOU WELL KNOW, THE PROPERTY AS ZONE A T TO R WHICH ALLOWS FOR 32 HOME SITES IN MY OPINION. QUITE A FEW FOR THAT PROPERTY. WHEN YOU CONSIDER A LARGE PORTION OF IT IS ACTUALLY WETLANDS TODAY THAT SO HOW MUCH OF THE 90 SOME ACRES IS

WETLANDS? >> I HAVE NO IDEA BUT FROM OBSERVATIONS IT'S QUITE A MAYBE IT'S TWO THIRDS. I DON'T KNOW THE NEXT ITEM THAT REALLY KIND OF BOTHERS ME AND I SEE IT EVERY DAY DRIVING ON 117 TO 78 IS THE CLEAR CUTTING OF PROPERTIES WHERE THE DEVELOPERS COMING IN WITH THE BULLDOZERS TAKING OUT EVERYTHING THAT IS KIND

OF CRIMINAL IN MY OPINION. >> I MEAN THAT PROPERTY HAS MATURE OAKS PINES EVERY TYPE OF ACTIVITY AND THE APPLICANT IS ASKING TO ACTUALLY ELIMINATE THAT SO HE WILL HAVE THE CHOICE OF CLEARING THAT OUT PLUS THE WETLANDS. AGAIN, IT PERSONALLY BOTHERS ME. ALSO BECAUSE OF ITS WETLANDS, WILL THE APPLICANT BE GOING AFTER I CALL HIM A WETLAND CREDITS TO BE ABLE TO FILL IN THE LOW SPOTS?

>> AND AGAIN TO ME THAT'S JUST NOT ACCEPTABLE IN MY OPINION. SO AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH

FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TONIGHT. >> THANK YOU.

MIKE NYHAN, SWEARING IS A C H W E R I N DIANE YOUR PASSING. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. >> MARY JO KILLED HER HEALTH CARE RIGHT FOR THE TIME TONIGHT. I'M BASICALLY GONNA REPEAT THINGS THAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE ALWAYS SAID. I KNOW YOU WANT ME TO KEEP IT BRIEF SO THE TRAFFIC ON THIS PROPOSED ON THE NEW PROPOSAL IS DEFINITELY HAS TO BE CONSIDERED.

THE SCHOOLS HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED. THE FACT THAT I BELIEVE 462 2

IS AN EVACUATION ROUTE. >> THIS IS SO ADDING THAT MUCH MORE WITH A NEW PROPOSAL.

YOU KNOW. THERE IS WE'RE ALL GOING TO EVACUATE IN SOME TIME.

THERE MAY BE SEVERAL EVACUATIONS DURING HURRICANE SEASON.

I'M JUST ASKING THAT YOU DENY THE NEW PROPOSAL. THANK YOU FOR THE TIME.

THANK YOU. >> NANCY GORE. >> THANK YOU.

>> PHIL AND DONNA BRODSKY. >> I PRONOUNCE THAT RIGHT ORANSKY.

I'M NOT CRAZY. THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. I JUST WANTED EVERYBODY TO STOP AND THINK ABOUT WHY THEY MOVED TO SOUTH CAROLINA IN THIS AREA IN PARTICULAR.

A LOT OF US MOVED HERE FOR PORTRAYAL SOUND AND JUST TO BE AROUND THE WATERS, TO BE AROUND THE NATURAL LANDS AND WITH ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT'S OCCURRING, WE'RE LOSING THE SPECIAL TOUCH THAT HAS TO OUR AREA AND I THINK THAT WE REALLY SHOULD CONSIDER IT.

>> IN ADDITION TO THE FACT THAT ALL THE STATEMENTS THAT NEIL MADE ABOUT WELL WE JUST WENT OVER ALL THOSE BUT WE JUST NEED TO KEEP IT IN MIND SO BLUFFTON DOESN'T BECOME JUST ANOTHER OVERACTIVE SUBURBAN AREA AND SO WE CAN ALLOW THE CHARM TO STAY THERE IN BLUFFTON THAT WE'VE ALWAYS HAD HERE IN THE PAST. AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD REALLY TRY TO HOLD ON TO THAT

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AND THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

>> LOUIS AND KELLY. >> THANK YOU. >> NICE SUE.

>> LARRY. OH, YES. OK.

ARE THERE ANY OTHERS OVER THERE THAT YOU HAVE? ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, SIR. COME ON FORWARD AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF, PLEASE.

>> MY NAME'S JIM. BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT SIDE OF THE HOME OUR ROOTS IN THIS COUNTY RUN DEEP PROBABLY DEEPER TO MOST PEOPLE HERE. MY GRANDFATHER WAS THE DEPUTY 20S AND 30S SOUTH AND BROUGHT BACK THE ONLY TO DO. MY DAD WAS IN THE DNR FOR 20 YEARS 50S AND 60S. MY BROTHERS HAVE RETIRED BUT THEY'VE HAD OVER 50 YEARS IN

THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. >> PART OF MY SON AND MY NEPHEW ARE HAVE ABOUT 30 YEARS IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT DNR. SO WE'RE INVESTED IN THIS COUNTY.

WE'VE BEEN HERE FOREVER. >> THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAS BEEN IN OUR

FAMILY FOR ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY YEARS. >> THE LAST 15 AND 20 YEARS.

WE'VE SEEN STUFF DEVELOPED ALL AROUND OVER YOU WHICH WE USED TO HUNT OPIUM USED MAITLAND BLUFF RIVER OAKS RIVER BEING THE PROPERTY WHICH JUST A COUPLE YEARS AGO WAS CHANGED

FROM T2 TO C3. >> SO ALL WE'RE ASKING IS THAT WE BE TREATED FAIRLY.

I KNOW THAT THE TRAFFIC IS A PROBLEM. BELIEVE I KNOW THAT I DROVE THE SCHOOL BUS MY SENIOR YEAR GOING FROM OKATIE OR LOW BOTTOM BAILEYS OF WHAT WE USED TO CALL IT BLUFFTON WE MIGHT PASS TWELVE CARS SO I KNOW THE TRAFFIC IS INCREASED.

WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR THE ZONE AND WE KNOW THAT THE THAT TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS DONE WAS

WITH THE 30 ACRES UP FRONT. >> COMMERCIAL WHICH OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW GENERATES A LOT MORE

TRAFFIC THAN RESIDENTIAL OR WHATEVER. >> THERE'S THE C5 FRONT THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS NOT FOR WE WERE UNDERSTANDING THAT AND WE'RE ADVISED WE FIRST WANT A COMMERCIAL UP THERE. AND I SAID NO, THAT'S GONNA GENERATE TOO MUCH TRAFFIC.

OK, SEE 5 WE'RE TOLD WE'RE MULTIFAMILY. WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN HOME DEPOT OR LOWE'S OR ANY BIG COMMERCIAL PROJECT GOING IN THERE AND WE KNOW THAT THERE HAD TO BE PROBABLY ANOTHER TRAFFIC STUDY WORKING WITH SCHOOLS WORKING WITH THE COUNTY

OPEN DEVELOPMENT THINGS AND ALL THIS. >> WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR THE ZONING CHANGE SO THAT WE CAN GET TO THAT PHASE WITH A DEVELOPER TO COME IN AND SIT

DOWN AND SAY THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. >> WE'RE GONNA DO THAT IN D.C.

TO SATISFY THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE COUNTY. SO BASICALLY WE'RE JUST ASKING

DID WE BE TREATED FAIRLY JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE? >> I GUESS THAT I'VE DONE SOMETHING WITH THEIR LAND AND HAVE RICK RULE RIGHT THERE IS AS ERIC SAID, COUNTY KEPT I

SAID TO HAVE THE RULE IN THERE. >> I IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE WHEN YOU'VE GOT EVERYTHING ALL

AROUND YOU. >> IF IF THE COUNTY WANTS IT RULE YOU CAN BUY IT.

>> SO WE JUST WANT TO BE TREATED FAIRLY. SMALL WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR THE MOON. WE JUST WANT TO BE TREATED FAIRLY AND AND HAVE A CHANCE TO GO FORWARD FROM HERE TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY TO DO SOMETHING.

>> THIS FEASIBLE WORKS OUT GOOD FOR EVERYBODY. >> US AND THE COUNTY AND SAID THIS WAS HOME. THIS IS NOT SOMEWHERE WE JUST MOVED IN.

WANT TO BUY A PROPERTY AND MAKE MONEY? THIS IS HOME AND WE WANT TO TREAT IT LIKE THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MICHIGAN.

ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANY OTHER ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? ANYTHING ONLINE? YES. OK, ALL RIGHT.

QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK WITH

ANYBODY IN PARTICULAR AND MAKE A COMMENT? >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. I DON'T KNOW WHO CAN ANSWER THAT, BUT IF ANYBODY HOW LARGE IS THE OLDFIELD PROPERTY THE TOTAL PROPERTY OF ALL? I MIGHT KNOW.

NINE HUNDRED OR NINE HUNDRED ACRES? NINE HUNDRED ACRES.

>> AND HOW MANY HOUSES? >> CURRENTLY 160 BY FORTY TWO AND A LIBERAL DOWN BY FORTY

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OK. TRUTHFULLY TRAFFIC STUDY IS IS TOTALLY MEANINGLESS HERE.

WE DON'T NEED A TRAFFIC STUDY. WE KNOW WHAT THE TRAFFIC GATES WOULD YOU NEED IS A PLAN FOR 7.

AND WITHOUT THAT PLAN I THINK ERICK TOUCHED ON A BIG PART OF IT IS JUST THINK ABOUT IT.

THAT ENTIRE INTERSECTION WOULD HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY REDONE. YOU'RE TALKING A MAJOR MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENT THERE BECAUSE YOU HAVE GOT TRAFFIC LIGHTS TIMING WITH TURN

LIGHTS AND EVERYTHING, OK? >> AND THEN YOU THINK OF THAT AND YOU THINK THAT PROBABLY SOME POINTS OF VIEW SIX LANE ROAD. I MEAN LET'S NOT KID OURSELVES AND THEN YOU SAY PUTTING APARTMENT BUILDINGS THERE WITH, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY LITTLE KIDS OR SOMETHING CAN JUST IMAGINE KID RIDING A BICYCLE UP IN THAT AREA.

I MEAN BUT VILLAGE PARK HOMES. >> WHAT DOES FILL THIS PARK? HOMES HAVE TO DO IT FOR THEIR NAME ON THE APPLICATION OF A PART OF THE DEAL HERE IS ARE CLIP GOING TO UNDERSTAND THEIR PLAN TO PURCHASE A PROPERTY IF IT GETS A COKE? OK, ALL RIGHT.

>> THE GENTLEMAN MENTIONED I'M NOT ASKING FOR THE MOON. I DON'T KNOW.

YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET TO THE MOON QUICKER THAN 170 FAMILIES. WHEN YOU SAID YOU GO THERE I JUST SIMPLY BASED UPON THE CONDITION OF 170 TODAY WITHOUT A PLAN THAT NOT ONLY ADDRESSES THAT INTERSECTION BUT AS ERIC MENTIONED, A NUMBER OF THE OTHER INTERSECTIONS THERE AND I JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE A COPY OF THE PRESENTATION THAT JOE PAXMAN GAVE EARLIER THIS YEAR AND HE GAVE IT TO A NUMBER OF GROUPS ALL OVER THE COUNTY. ERICA, I THINK YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? I MEAN JOE DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF EVERYBODY THAT I SAW THAT SAW THIS PRESENTATION AND ANYBODY WANT TO COME UP? I'LL GIVE YOU A COUPLE.

GIVE ME YOUR EMAIL. I'LL SEND YOU A COPY OF IT. IT REALLY LAYS A LOT OUT HERE ABOUT 170. SO I DON'T CARE IF IT'S FIBER C3 OR ANYTHING ELSE SO FAR AS I'M CONCERNED IF THAT IF 117 THE WAY IT IS TODAY. THAT'S IN MY MIND.

I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT ANYTHING ELSE. YEAH.

>> FORGIVE ME. I'M GONNA GO OFF ON A LITTLE BIT OF A TANGENT HERE AND I NEED TO HEARKEN BACK MY MARINE CORPS DAYS WHEN I WAS STILL FLYING.

WHEN YOU GO ON AN AIR FORCE BASE IT'S JUST SO BEAUTIFUL. YOU KNOW, ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE'S THERE, ALL THE RECREATION IS THERE, ALL THE COMMISSARY THROUGH THERE, ALL THE BASE HOUSING IS AWESOME. THEN YOU GO ON A MARINE CORPS BASE AND IT'S LIKE WORD WHERE DO WE LAND WAVES? MARINES USED TO ALWAYS JOKE THAT.

WELL, THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE WHEN THE AIR FORCE WILL TALK TO CONGRESS AND ASK FOR A BASE WHERE THEY GET THE ALLOCATED THE MONEY, THE FIRST THING THEY PUT IN IS THE GOLF COURSE AND THEN THEY PUT IN AN EXCHANGE AND THEN THEY PUT IN THE HOUSING AND THEN THEY PUT IN THE ROADS AND ALL THE NICE STUFF IS THERE. AND WHEN THEY FINALLY RUN OUT OF MONEY THEN THEY GO BACK TO CONGRESS AND ASK FOR MONEY FOR THE RUNWAY.

WHEREAS WITH THE MARINE CORPS WE GET A LOT OF MONEY WE PUT IN THE RUNWAY, WE PUT IN THE AMMO SUPPLY POINT. WE PUT IN THE FUEL KITS. WE PUT IN THE HANGARS AND THEN WE RUN OUT OF MONEY AND WE SAY OH NOW WE'VE GOT TO. NOW WE'VE GOT TO HOUSE THE MARINES AND THAT'S WHEN WE GO BACK TO CONGRESS AND ASK FOR THE MONEY.

AND THIS WAS THIS IS REMINDING ME OF A LOT OF THIS WHERE WE'RE NOT PUTTING THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN FIRST. I'M OFF MY SOAPBOX. THANK YOU.

>> WELL, THIS OTHER QUESTIONS COMMENTS. >> I MEAN AMEN.

I THINK BY INFRASTRUCTURE YOU ALSO ARE INCLUDING SCHOOL AND SCHOOL CAPACITY.

>> YES. OH, ABSOLUTELY NOT. YEAH.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS NOT OK. IF YOU WANT TO WE'VE GOT THIS ABOUT A WEEK AGO I KNOW Y'ALL WERE DEVELOPERS AND PLANNERS WORKED VERY HARD ON IT FOR

QUITE A LONG TIME. >> I'M GENERALLY CONCURRING WITH WHAT I'M HEARING THERE.

I WILL NOT. I NEED TO KNOW MORE IN ORDER TO VOTE YES.

SO WE HAVE TO VOTE TODAY. THAT WILL NOT BE MY VOTE. I DON'T KNOW THE BUFFERS.

I DON'T KNOW THE HOW MANY WAYS IN MANY WAYS OUT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTING IS AND WE'LL COME BACK AND SAY WE DON'T HAVE A ASSUME THERE'S SIGNAGE ON THAT ROAD NOTIFYING EVERYBODY THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE JOINING CHANGE.

YES. OK, WE HEARD FROM OLDFIELD AND I THINK THEY WERE LOUD AND CLEAR WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAP HERE, IT'S SURROUNDED BY PD AND THAT'S A MASTER PLAN IN MANY

WAYS. >> LOOK ACROSS THE STREET I GUESS THAT'S JASPER COUNTY.

IT'S HARD TO SAY WHAT'S THERE. I KNOW IF WE LOOK AT ARGENT AND I CALL IT THE SHELL STATION AND TWO IN 170, THAT'S A MESS WE CAN'T WE CAN'T THANK YOU FOR COUNTING FOR THAT.

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WE'VE GOT ALL FEEL VERY NICE ENTRANCE AND ALL THAT BUT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THEIR THERE IS ANOTHER MESS GETTING READY TO HAPPEN. I WAS THERE TODAY AND I SAID THEY GOT TO PUT TRAFFIC LIGHT HERE. LOOK, I'M GONNA HAVE TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE. TRAFFIC LIGHT HERE. TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE.

SO THAT HASN'T REALLY BEEN LOOKED AT. I'M I'M WITH MR. COOLER AND RESPECT THAT. I THINK A PERSON HAS THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP HIS PROPERTY BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE DONE PROPERLY. WITH ALL THINGS CONSIDERED AND TO ASK US TO PROVIDE A YES ANSWER WITH WHAT LITTLE WE KNOW AND WHAT WE DO KNOW THAT WE

DON'T LIKE THAT COULD BE DETRIMENTAL. >> IT'S NOT IT'S NOT THE VOTE THAT I'M GOING TO SO I'M GOING TO GIVE. SO YOU KNOW, WETLANDS, THE DRAINAGE PLAN I KNOW THERE'S A MASTER PLAN. THERE'S OTHER COMMITTEES AFTER US. BUT ONCE WE SAY YES AND IT GOES FORWARD, WE HAVE NO CONTROL ON SOME OF THINGS WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT. SO I HAVE SAY THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? I JUST WANT TO MAKE A CONCLUDING REMARKS FROM MYSELF.

I WON'T BE REDUNDANT WITH ALL OF THE FINE POINTS WERE BROUGHT UP TONIGHT.

I WAS REALLY VERY PROUD OF THE DISCUSSION, VERY WIDE RANGING AND VERY POIGNANT AND FACTUAL.

I DO RECOGNIZE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS A RIGHT TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY.

THERE IS A ZONING THAT'S AVAILABLE AND NEVER SOME OPTIONS THAT WERE DISCUSSED BY THE STAFF THAT ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION TONIGHT BUT FOR OTHER DIALOG THIS REQUEST IS VERY SIMPLE REZONING IT INTO TWO SEPARATE DISTRICTS YOU NEVER SEE THREE NEIGHBORING MIXED USE AND SEE IF I REGIONAL OR MIXED USE ON THE BASIS OF THE REQUEST FOR THAT ZONING IN THIS COURT. I HAVE TO SAY I DO NOT SUPPORT THE APPLICANT.

I'D LIKE TO HAVE A MOTION OR I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY. ITEM EIGHT CATCHES A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT REZONING REQUEST FOR NINETY FOUR POINT FORTY SEVEN ACRES ON SECOND AT THE SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION. >> RAISE YOUR HAND.

A MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. DENIED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> ALL RIGHT. I'LL LET FOLKS CLEAR I DON'T WANT TO CLEAR OUT AND THEN WE'RE JUST WE'RE FINISHED. THIS IS THE LAST THING. YEAH.

AHEAD. YEAH. I JUST SAID CHAIRMAN'S I HAVE NO REPORT YOUR OFFER TO MINE. WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE. RIBAUT 712 YOU HAVE TO REMIND THE COMMISSIONERS THEIR NEXT MEETING IS ON JULY 7TH. THURSDAY.

OH RIGHT. BECAUSE IT'S SO PUT THAT ON YOUR CALENDAR PLEASE LIKE SEVEN

JULY 7TH BECAUSE IF THERE'S NOT A YES. >> SO WHAT WE SAID LIKE FOR YOU WHY ARE YOU HERE FOR YOU KNOW, HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN SOMEBODY SECOND.

WITHOUT OBJECTION THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.