Jun 01, 2022 Town of Bluffton Historic Preservation Commission

PAST ADOPTION OF MINUTES AS WRITTEN FOR THE MAY 4TH, 2022 MINUTES.

ANY DISCUSSION, IF NOT ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.

THEM TO

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UH, EVERYBODY HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT.

CAN I GET A MOTION? I MOVED TO APPROVE THE MAY 4TH MINUTES.

SO WE'RE GOING ON TO YOU, KATIE, FOR THE NEW WE ARE.

MAY I HAVE A SECOND? THANK YOU.

ANY DISCUSSION? UH, ALL IN FAVOR.

AYE.

ADOPTION OF MINUTES AS WRITTEN.

THANK YOU FOR THE WELL-WRITTEN MINUTES.

PUBLIC COMMENTS, AS WE STATED, THERE'S NONE.

SO WE'RE MOVING ON TO OLD BUSINESS AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY, ANY OLD BUSINESS.

NO.

[IX.1. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by Tanner Sutphin for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness to allow the demolition of the single family residential structure of approximately 4,000 SF located at 23 Bruin Road, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood General-HD. (COFA-02-22-016366) (Staff- Katie Peterson) ]

SO TONIGHT BEFORE US, WE HAVE AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ALLOW THE DEMOLITION OF A SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE OF APPROXIMATELY 4,000 SQUARE FEET LOCATED AT 23 BRUIN ROAD, WHICH IS IN THE OLD TOWN, BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT.

IT IS ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL HD.

THIS IS THE SITE PLAN OF VIEW IS MESSY HERE, BUT THIS IS THE PLAN OF THE SITE.

SO YOU SEE THIS IS BRUIN ROAD IN THE FRONT.

IT HAS THE CIRCLE DRIVE, UM, AND THE SPANISH STYLE HOME THAT IS THERE.

IT'S BLUE ON ONE SIDE RIGHT NOW, AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE.

SO THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION OF IT.

UM, YOU'VE SEEN IT AS YOU DRIVE PAST, THIS IS THE FRONT.

AND JUST AS A NOTE, WE HAVE APPROVED THIS IN PRIOR MEETINGS.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES ANY DIFFERENCE TO BE DEMOLISHED AS IT DOES MAKE NO DIFFERENCE BECAUSE EVERY DAY THE APPLICATION HAS EXPIRED.

AND SO IT IS A NEW APPLICATION FOR REVIEW, HOWEVER, YES, IT HAS BEEN, UM, REVIEWED AND APPROVED IN THE PAST AND THERE HAS BEEN NO CHANGES TO THE STRUCTURE OR IT'S CONTRIBUTING STATUS WAS NOT CONTRIBUTING.

IT IS NOT CONTRIBUTING.

THEY MOVE SIDE ON ME HERE.

UM, SO I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

THIS IS THE REAR ELEVATION.

UM, SO THERE'S A BUTTON, A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT PICTURES OF THIS BECAUSE AS YOU KIND OF SAW HERE ON THE SITE PLAN, IT'S GOT A HANDFUL OF LITTLE BUMP-OUTS HERE.

SO THIS IS THE GARAGE SIDE, WHICH IS THE BLUE SIDE.

THAT GARAGE DOES GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH.

THEN THIS IS A SMALL PORCH ADDITION THAT'S BEEN ENCLOSED.

AND THEN THIS SIDE IS THE WHITE PORTION OF THE HOUSE, WHICH YOU CAN SEE HERE.

SO THIS IS THAT WHITE PORTION.

HERE'S THAT PUMP PORCH BUMP OUT.

THIS IS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PORCH, BUMP OUT THE BACK OF THAT PORCH, BUMP OUT.

AND THEN HERE'S THAT BLUE GARAGE PIECE THAT GOES ALL THE WAY THROUGH YOUR OR YOUR SIDE ELEVATION.

SO THIS IS THE SIDE THAT IS THE LEFT OF THE STRUCTURE OR CLOSEST TO THE FOUR-WAY STOP.

THIS IS THE RIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE OR CLOSER TO BURNT CHURCH ROAD, WHICH IT'S NOWHERE NEAR BURT CHURCH ROAD, BUT IT'S FACING THAT DIRECTION.

UM, AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SHOW YOU ON THE SCREEN TONIGHT, BUT, UM, WITH A DEMOLITION OF A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, THE HPC TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION THE EIGHT REVIEW CRITERIA, WHICH ARE FOUND IN SECTION 3 18, 3 OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, UM, AND ARE AUTHORIZED TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.

WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE TONIGHT WITH US.

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UM, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO OPEN THE FLOOR UP TO THEM, BUT ANY COMMENTS, THE APPLICANT HAS NO COMMENTS.

UM, SO TELL HIM STYLE FINDS THAT I CAN'T TYPE, BUT THE TOWN STAFF FINDS THAT THE, UM, ORDINANCE HAS BEEN MET AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

AND AGAIN, RE REITERATION, THIS WAS APPROVED PREVIOUSLY AND WE WENT THROUGH THE CONCEPT.

NOW IT'S OWNED BY A NEW OWNER AND IT JUST HAS, THAT HAD EXPIRED.

SO, UH, THERE WE GO.

UH, ANY, UH, CONCERNS, DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMISSION, IF NOT, I'D LIKE TO LOOK FOR A, I WE'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST AS SUBMITTED.

I SECOND, UM, YOU HAVE A SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION, IF NOT, UH, ALL IN FAVOR.

AYE, AYE.

UM, LOOKS LIKE IT, UH, UNANIMOUSLY.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE EXPECT TO CRANE OUT IN FRONT OF THERE OR SOMETHING.

IT WAS STEAM SHOVEL, SLOW DOWN THEIR STEAM SHOVEL.

YOU DON'T, YOU'RE GOING TO ONE BY ONE, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WE HAVE NOW, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY SPENT SOME MONEY ON PAINTING THAT THING.

IT WAS A WRONG IDEA.

I WAS SCRATCHING MY HEAD WHEN I SAW THAT.

SEEMED LIKE A GOOD IDEA AT THE TIME.

PERFECT.

AND I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY THROUGH THIS, THE MEETING, OR YOU CAN ESCAPE NO, I FEEL BETTER TOMORROW, TOMORROW.

[IX.2. Public Project: A request by Charles Savino, on behalf of the Town of Bluffton for approval of a Public Project to allow the construction of additional parking, sidewalk improvements, a dumpster enclosure and mural to the outdoor pavilion and passive recreation areas located at 55 Wharf Street, known as Oyster Factory Park, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Riverfront Edge-HD. (DP-01-22-016299) (Staff - Katie Peterson) ]

ALL RIGHT.

SO THIS IS OUR SECOND ITEM HERE.

UM, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A PUBLIC PROJECT TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF ADDITIONAL PARKING WITH SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS, A DUMPSTER AND CLOSURE, AND A MURAL TO THE OUTDOOR PAVILION AND PASSIVE RECREATION AREA LOCATED AT 55 WHARF STREET THAT IS KNOWN AS OYSTER FACTORY PARK.

AND IT IS IN THE OLD TOWN, BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT.

THIS ONE IS OWNED RIVERFRONT EDGE BECAUSE IT DOES FRONT THE RIVER.

THIS AREA HERE IS THE AREA THAT WILL BE, UM, MODIFIED.

SO IT IS THE PARKING ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE, UM, OF THE ROAD OR THE SIDE THAT HAS THE PAVILION, NOT THE SIDE THAT HAS THE GARMENT HOUSE ON IT.

AND I HAVE TWO PICTURES HERE OF IT IN ITS CURRENT STATE.

HERE IS A PORTION OF THE SITE PLAN.

IT IS LONG AND NARROW.

SO IT IS ON TWO DIFFERENT PAGES HERE.

I ZOOMED IN EXTRA CLOSE ON THOSE PLANT SCHEDULES JUST FOR YOU, JESSE.

UM, SO HERE'S THAT EXISTING PAVILION WITH A BATHROOM STRUCTURE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE? IS MY MOUSE SHOWING UP ON THE SCREEN? NO, I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU THAT.

YEAH, LET'S DO IT.

THIS ONE.

YEAH, THERE WE GO.

SO HERE IS THAT EXISTING PAVILION AREA AND HERE IS THE BATHROOM FACILITY.

SO THE RIVER IS RIGHT HERE ON THE SIDE.

UM, AND THE OYSTER FACTORY IS ABOUT HERE.

AND THEN THIS IS THE SECOND HALF OF IT.

SO THIS IS THE EXISTING PARKING AREA.

AND THEN THIS IS BRIDGE STREET RIGHT HERE WITH WHARF STREET, CONTINUING THIS DIRECTION TO END UP AT THE DOCK, UM, WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING.

AND PAT IS HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT FROM OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.

UM, HOWEVER, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS TO MAKE THESE PARKING IMPROVEMENTS.

THEY'VE INSTALLED, UM, AN ISLAND WITH SOME PARKING IN THE CENTER, AS WELL AS THE SIDEWALK TO CONNECT HERE ALONG THE SIDE SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO WALK IN THE STREET AS YOU GO UP TOWARDS THE OYSTER FACTORY.

THE NEURAL THAT I WAS DISCUSSING IS MY MOUSE IS STILL NOT SHOWING UP.

SO I CAN'T DO THAT THERE.

SO HERE'S THAT SIDEWALK I WAS TALKING ABOUT.

THAT'S GOING TO CONNECT IT TOGETHER.

IT RUNS THIS WHOLE AREA HERE SO THAT YOU CAN PARK THERE FORMALIZING THE DUMPSTER AREA RIGHT NOW.

UM, AS YOU'RE PROBABLY ALL FAMILIAR, THEY HAVE SOME REALLY NICE GREEN TRASH CANS THAT SIT ALONG THE FENCE LINE.

SO THIS RIGHT HERE IS IN THEORY TO GET RID OF THAT, EXCEPT FOR DURING SPECIAL EVENTS, WHEN YOU'D STILL NEED SOME PEDESTRIANS SCALED TRASH RECEPTACLES, WE'LL STILL HAVE SOME TRASH CANS LAYING AROUND.

AND WANT ME TO MOVE AROUND JUST TO QUESTION? YEAH.

IF YOU COULD COME UP, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK, I CAN HAVE YOU SPEAK INTO THE MIC.

YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'VE GOT AN EVENT GOING ON, THOSE ARE JUST HANDY TO BE ROLLING AROUND FOR SPECIAL EVENTS.

BUT THIS IS JUST THE FORMALIZED MICROPHONES.

HAPPY TOO.

NO, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.

IT'S THREATENED THEIR AD.

IS IT RED?

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OKAY, THERE YOU GO.

I COULDN'T SEE ANY REASON WHY WE COULDN'T KEEP SOME OF THOSE IN PLACE SOMEWHERE.

WE WERE ADVISED AT THE TIME OF DOING THE SITE PLAN THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE A DUMPSTER AT THIS LOCATION, A PERMANENT DUMPSTER.

SO, UM, YEAH, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY WE, HOW MANY CARS SPACES.

GOSH, IT'S BEEN SO LONG SINCE WE'VE DONE THE SITE.

I THINK 55.

AND THEN WE HAVE SOME, WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL 55, 6 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

RIGHT NOW THE SITE HAS MOSTLY BOAT PARKING THERE.

SO NOT A LOT OF DESIGNATED CAR PARKING OR CAR PARKING.

SO I'M THE PARKING ATTENDANT FOR WHEN WE HAVE THE, UH, CHRISTMAS SERVICE, YOU KNOW, THE CANDLELIGHT AND I'M THE ONE RESPONSIBLE FOR GETTING EVERYBODY CRAMMED IN THERE SUPPORT.

WE COULD USE SOME EXTRA PARKING, THERE'S NO TREE REMOVAL PLAN.

THERE IS NOT ON THIS SET OF PLANS.

HOWEVER, THEY ARE SAVING THE, THE LARGER OAKS THAT ARE CLUSTERED HERE.

THERE'S TWO THAT ARE SAVED HERE.

AND THEN THESE SAVED HERE AND OOPS, DOWN HERE, THESE ARE ALSO BEING SAVED.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE OOPS AND I NOTICED IT FOR SOME STRANGE REASON, BUT THERE IS A VERY LARGE ASH TREE ON THAT PROPERTY, UM, IS WHAT WE TRY TO DO IN THE SITE PLAN OF THIS WAS WE TRIED TO WORK AROUND TREES AS BEST WE COULD.

WE KEPT THE PRIMMER BUFFER ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, ON THE STREET SIDE AND IN BETWEEN THE TWO PARKING EXISTING PARKLAND, THIS, AND THEN WHERE WE COOK AND WE ARRIVED ISLANDS AROUND TREES.

THERE IS, UM, I THINK YOU REFER PROBABLY THE HICKORY CHEAP, BUT ACTUALLY A GREAT THING.

BUT, UM, UM, THERE IS A LIVE OAK IN THERE.

THAT'S PROBABLY THE, THE NICEST TREE ON THE SITE AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO WIT THE CIRCULATION AND WITH THE STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS TO SAY BOTH OF THOSE TREES.

SO ONE OF THEM IS PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO GO AND WE SELECTED THE, THE HICKORY BECAUSE THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE SENSITIVE TO DEVELOPMENT AROUND IT.

WHEREAS THE LIVE OAK IS A LITTLE BIT MORE TOLERANT TO DEVELOPMENT AROUND IT.

SO, UM, WE HAD TO MAKE A DECISION ON THAT ONE TREE, REGRETTABLY COULDN'T KEEP EVERY, BUT WE DID TRY TO PUT PARKING ISLANDS WHERE WE HAVE TREES.

AND, UM, JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT STORM WATER SYSTEM UNDERNEATH THE GRAVEL PARKING LOT THAT WILL IMPACT TREE.

SO WE DON'T, WE HAD TO MAKE ONE, THIS ONE REGRETTABLE DECISION TO TAKE OUT ONE, BUT IT JUST BEEN NICE TO HAVE INCLUDED IN THE SUBMITTAL TO BE ABLE TO SEE EXISTING TRAINING, EXISTING CANOPY AND WHAT IS ACTUALLY BEING REMOVED, AS OPPOSED TO JUST WHAT'S BEING KEPT.

WE DID SUBMIT THAT I'M SURE YOU'RE REQUIRED JUST LIKE ANYBODY ELSE TO GET A TREE REMOVAL COMMIT, AREN'T YOU? YEAH.

UM, THEY ACTUALLY FOR THIS, BECAUSE IT IS A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A SPECIFIC TREE REMOVAL DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THE TREE REMOVAL IS REVIEWED THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT OR THE PUBLIC PROJECT, WHICH GOES THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS IN REVIEW BY SOMEONE.

AND THEN WE'LL KIND OF ADJUST CURT LINE SO THAT WE CAN SAVE ADDITIONAL TRAYS AROUND THE PERIMETER.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS ALSO TAKING A LOOK AT THIS, BUT THE UDU ADMINISTRATORS, THE FINAL WAIT, NO, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOESN'T, BUT THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE DOES, WHICH IS A SUBSET OF THAT PLANNING COMMISSION.

UM, BUT THEN THE FINAL REVIEW AUTHORITY AS THE ETO ADMINISTRATOR ON PUBLIC PROJECT APPLICATION, IS THERE A TREE REMOVAL PLAN THAT IS PRESENTED TO THEM? UH, AND LET'S SEE IF I CAN FIND THIS WAS THE FINAL PLAN SET THAT WAS SENT OVER TO ME.

THIS IS ALL I HAD.

IT'S AN ENGINEERING PLAN FOR THIS.

AND, UM, IT HAS TREE REMOVAL ON TREE PROTECTION, FENCING, ALL THAT ON.

AND IN ADDITION TO THAT DEPARTMENT, WHAT WE GENERALLY DO ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IT'S GO STEAK, THIS WHOLE BUS, THIS WHOLE LOT ADD,

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GENERALLY THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS.

I MEAN, WHAT ELSE IS THERE FOR US TO FOCUS ON? I MEAN, THE MAJORITY OF LIKE WE HAVE A PARKING LOT AND WE HAVE A WOODED AREA IT'S FUN THAT YOU ASK BECAUSE I HADN'T GOTTEN TO THE END OF MY SIDESHOW.

THERE'S ALSO.

AND WHAT IS THE REASON FOR US EVEN TO HAVE THIS IN FRONT OF THE, UM, PUBLIC PROJECTS COME BEFORE THE HPC, IF THEY'RE LOCATED WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR COMMENT ONLY, UM, THESE ARE THINGS THAT TYPICALLY THE REASON THAT THEY'RE COMING BEFORE YOU IS BECAUSE THERE'S SOME SORT OF ELEMENT OF DESIGN THAT IS GOING INTO THEM.

AND THEY ARE WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH THE ARCHITECTURE, LANDSCAPING LIGHTING OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS REVIEWED BY THE HPC FOR PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT PUBLIC PROJECTS.

YOU ESCAPING, UM, LIGHTING, UM, ANY BIRD CONSTRUCTIONS THAT ARE ON THE SITE.

THERE'S NOT MANY OF THEM, NO, THERE ARE NOT MANY ON THIS.

IN THIS CASE, THERE'S A SPLIT RAIL FENCE THAT WILL CONTINUE ALONG.

UM, THERE ARE THE COLUMNS THAT HAVE THE END CAPS FOR THE FENCES.

THEY ARE GOING TO BE SOME BRICK PAVING THAT GOES ALONG IT AS WELL AS TABBY PAVING, A DUMPSTER INCLUSION CLOSURE.

AND THESE MURAL FEATURES HERE, THE MURAL, THE DESIGN OF THAT IS NOT SET IN STONE, UM, WHICH IRONICALLY IS KIND OF SET IN STONE SINCE THOSE ARE TABBY PIERS THAT IT WILL BE ON, BUT THE ACTUAL ART ITSELF IS BEING DONE, NOT BY THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON IT'S THROUGH THE COASTAL CONSERVATION LEAGUE.

IS THAT WHAT IT'S CALLED? OCEAN CONSERVANCY.

AND IT'S THE BOTTLE CAP MURAL PROJECT.

SO THESE WILL NOT BE GOING IN RIGHT AWAY NECESSARILY.

UM, BUT THEY ARE SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE GOT IN FRONT OF YOU FOR THE STRUCTURE THEMSELVES, NOT THE DESIGN OF THE ART, BECAUSE THE DESIGN OF THE ART IS GOING TO BE ART.

UM, THAT IS, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHAT IT IS AS LONG AS THE STRUCTURE ITSELF IS APPROVABLE.

AND THEN THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE HERE, WHICH IS SIX FEET IN HEIGHT AND IS MADE OF WHAT, UM, SO IN SUMMARY FOR APPLICATIONS THAT ARE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, WE BRING THEM BEFORE YOU, THIS IS SO THAT WE HAVE COMMENT FROM THE HPC THAT THE UTO ADMINISTRATOR CAN TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AS SHE MAKES HER DECISION.

THIS PROJECT SPECIFICALLY IS FAIRLY MINIMAL BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE MUCH ARCHITECTURE TO IT.

UM, WHERE WE WERE RUNNING INTO CHALLENGES WITH THIS WAS, UM, WHEN THEY DEMOLISHED THE STRUCTURE THAT WAS LOCATED IN WHAT IS NOW, UM, RIGHT.

MARTIN, MARTIN PARK, IT'S THE ONE THAT PARKED RIGHT? MARTIN, FAMILY PARKS.

SO THE DEMOLITION OF THAT BUILDING, AS WELL AS, UM, THE, OF THE NOW BATHROOM STRUCTURE, THAT'S THERE, THE RENOVATION OF THE GARAGE, THAT'S AT THE SQUIRE POPE, UM, CARRIAGE HOUSE SITE.

UM, THE GARVIN GARVEY HOUSE WOULD BE A PUBLIC PROJECT, BUT IT'S OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING THAT HAS A LOT OF ARCHITECTURE INVOLVED IN IT.

AND SO IT COMES BEFORE THE HPC TO REVIEW THOSE ITEMS. THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY HAS LESS TO GO INTO IT BESIDES THE, UM, LANDSCAPING THAT YOU'VE SEEN ON THE APPLICATION.

YES, I'M SORRY.

THERE'S THE TREE.

I THOUGHT THE TREE REMOVAL WAS MARKED ON THIS SET OF PLANS.

THERE'S A SET OF PLANS THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE THAT DOES SHOW THE TREE REMOVAL ON IT.

UM, THAT WAS NOT IN A SET OF PLANS THAT I RECEIVED FOR THIS.

I'M SORRY, BUT THEN THE DUMPSTER DETAIL AND THE DUMPSTERS ARE THERE.

I CAN BOTTOM RIGHT HERE IN THE CORNER SO THAT THE TRUCK CAN COME.

IT PULLS IN THIS STILL DOESN'T SHOW UP ON THE SCREEN.

SO IT'LL PULL IN HERE AND THEN, OR IN HERE IT'S WHITE NOISE, BUT ON THE TRACK MEETS AND THEN THE ART INSTALLATION ON THIS PLAN IS WHAT'S OVER ON THE RIGHT TO THE RIGHT HERE.

SO IT'S TUCKED WAY BACK BEHIND, UM, HERE'S THE PAVILION OR YEAH, THE BATHROOM IS IN THE BOTTOM CORNER HERE.

THE PAVILION IS UP HERE.

THIS IS TUCKED BACK INTO THE CORNER OF THE PROPERTY THERE.

UM, SO IT WON'T BE INCREDIBLY VISIBLE FROM THE STREET BECAUSE IT WILL BE BACK FAR ENOUGH FROM BRIDGE STREET, BUT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE IT AS YOU COME THROUGH THE PARKING AREA TO GET TO THE FACILITIES.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS ADDING 55 60 PARKING SPACES, WHICH ARE NEEDED SO GOOD.

ALSO LOOKS AT IT AND I KNOW HE MADE A LOT OF COMMENTS FOR IT.

AND, UM, THE ORIGINAL VERSION OF THIS PLAN IT CAME THROUGH AND, UM, THE STAFF THAT REVIEWS THE PUBLIC PROJECTS, JORDAN HOLLOWAY, DAN FRAZIER, MYSELF, KEVIN, I HEARD, WE ALL LOOKED AT IT AND SAID, WHOA, THERE ARE NO TREES LEFT.

AND SO THIS IS, THIS HAS BEEN REVISED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT SOME OF THOSE TREATMENTS.

I THINK PAT

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BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

PAT IS IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, BUT IS ALSO THE LORAX.

SO, UM, HE HAS WORKED IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT BEFORE HE WORKED IN ENGINEERING.

SO HE'S INTO SAVING THE TREES HERE, BUT THIS TYPICALLY THIS GIANT TREE HERE, UM, WAS ONE THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS A SUBSTANTIAL ISLAND AROUND IT BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A BIG, UM, PROMINENT TREE ON THAT SITE.

AND THEN THESE IN THE CORNER HERE, WHERE THERE WAS THAT BIG, OOPS, I CAN'T AIM WITH THIS THING, CLUSTER OF TREES IN THIS CORNER.

AND I THINK THERE WAS CONSIDERATION MADE ON THE PROPERTY A COUPLE TIMES.

SOUNDS LIKE IN ORDER TO SAVE AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE, WE LOOKED AT MULTIPLE ALTERNATIVE SITES, FIVE SITE PLANS.

WE LOOKED AT ANGLE PARKING, LOTS OF DIFFERENT TYPES.

AND IT TURNED OUT THIS TO BE THE, PROBABLY THE MOST SENSITIVE AND MOST EFFICIENT.

RIGHT.

THAT SAID, I GUESS ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? JUST ANOTHER QUESTION.

SO KATIE, IT LOOKS LIKE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE STATED TO PROVIDE FURTHER DETAIL AS IT RELATES TO THE TREE PROTECTION.

JUST THE TREE PROTECTION FENCING.

UM, THEY, THE FENCING DETAIL HAS NOT BEEN PROVIDED.

IT WILL SHOW UP ON A SET OF PLANS AND I'M NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT IT, NOT BEING ABLE TO BE PROVIDED.

IT JUST HADN'T BEEN PROVIDED AT THIS TIME.

AND THEN THE SECOND ONE WAS THAT ALL D ALL COMMENTS BY THE DRC, UM, WILL NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, WHICH THAT IS A STANDARD COMMENT FOR THESE PUBLIC PROJECTS OR FOR, UM, DEVELOPMENT PLANS THAT CORRECT.

IT HAS BEEN TO DRC, UM, COMMENTS THERE IN YOUR PACKET AND THEY ARE RIGHT HERE.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE OR WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO INSTALL.

UM, SOME OF IT IS ALREADY THERE, BUT A MAJORITY OF IT IS WHAT IS BEING SOLD.

I BELIEVE.

LET ME PULL IT UP.

SO AT FIRST I'M GOING TO GO WITH LIKE TRC ON A SECOND.

I'M SORRY.

NO, THAT'S OKAY.

UM, SO THE FIRST ONE WAS THE, THE LIGHT, THE PHOTOMETRICS SPORT NEEDED TO BE PROVIDED.

UM, AND THAT THOSE LIGHTS WOULD NEED TO BE COORDINATED AROUND THE TREES.

THERE WERE A COUPLE OF LOCATIONS WHERE THERE WAS A BIT OF A CONFLICT BETWEEN THE CANOPY OF THE LOW TREE AND, AND THE LIGHT THAT WAS BEING PROPOSED.

UM, THEY ARE WORKING ON GETTING THOSE BACK TO US, THE, UM, FUTURE WORK, THERE WAS SOME WORK THAT WAS BEING PROPOSED, THAT ISN'T PART OF THIS PHASE OF THE PROJECT.

SO IT'S JUST TO NOTE THAT THAT'S NOT BEING DONE AT THIS TIME AND REMOVE IT.

AND THEN THE PLANT SCHEDULE, WHICH HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE SET OF PLANS THAT WE HAVE.

SO THAT WAS WHAT WAS RUNNING ALONG THE SIDE OF THOSE TWO SLIDES.

THEY HAVE UPDATED THAT, UM, AS WELL AS THE NOTE THAT IT NEEDS TO COME BEFORE FOR COMMENT TO GET US A DUMPSTER AND CLOSURE, BATTLECAT MURAL, AND ANY OTHER VERTICAL ELEMENTS, WHICH THOSE WERE INCLUDED ON THE SLIDES THAT I SHOWED YOU TONIGHT.

UM, AND THEN THE TREE PROTECTION FENCE NEEDS TO BE PUT UP BEFORE THAT.

SO THESE WERE THE COMMENTS FROM DRC ALONG WITH ACCESSIBLE PARKING SIGNAGE FOR, UM, FOR THE HANDICAP SPACES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED.

THAT HELPS CLARIFY ONE ADDITION DID THE LINING OF WHAT WE, THE, UM, THE STANDARDS SHEPHERD'S CROOK LOW OUT OF THE GROUND FIXTURES, THE ONES THAT ARE ON MAY RIVER, SAME TIME.

AND THEN CARRIE, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UM, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT ARE THE DARK HERE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED.

THE ONES THAT ARE GRAYED OUT TOWARDS THE BACKGROUND, THAT IS WHAT IS BEING KEPT.

SO THESE HERE WITH THE CIRCLE AROUND IT, THAT'S BEING KEPT.

AND THEN THIS IS BEING INSTALLED HERE, ALONG WITH THESE HERE TO CREATE A BETTER BUFFER BEHIND THAT AND THE NEIGHBORING, THAT'S NOT SHOWING UP YOUR THING.

OF COURSE IT ISN'T BECAUSE I DON'T LEARN GUYS.

SORRY.

SO, UM, SO THIS STUFF HERE IS THE NEW THERE.

YOU CAN SEE KIND OF IN THE BACKGROUND AND SEE THAT LIKE 10 HICKORY, 10, RIGHT THERE.

THAT'S THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE BEING SAVED.

SO THIS DOTTED LINE HERE SAVED, SAVED THIS IN BETWEEN IS ALL NEW OVER HERE.

THIS STUFF IS ALL NEW BUYING THE TOWN.

WE HAVE TO BE, WE HAVE TO BE DOING THINGS RIGHT CORRECTLY BY PUTTING THE ORANGE FENCES AROUND, MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT DESTROYED BY THE CONTRACTOR, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE LEADING BY EXAMPLE OF HOW IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

SO I'M SURE THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE WITH THE STORM WATER.

I JUST, I, I KNOW A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE START WITHOUT ANYTHING SO THAT THEN THEY MEET IN THE MIDDLE AND COMPROMISE AND IT LOOKS BETTER, BUT I WOULD JUST HOPE THAT Y'ALL REALLY WOULD SAY THIS MANY TRADES, EVEN IF IT MEANS THREE OR FOUR FEWER PARKING SPOTS.

UM, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED THOUGH, IN THE DRC, IS THAT CORRECT? YOU HAVE TO BE IN COMPLIANCE BY THE TREE.

YOU DON'T NEED TO BE, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED HERE.

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UM, THIS IS BECAUSE IT IS A, UM, PUBLIC PROJECT WHEN THEY USE MY WORDS, GUYS, THEY'RE GOING TO BE PROUD OF ME BECAUSE IT IS A PUBLIC PROJECT.

UM, THE HPC HAS THE AUTHORITY TO RECOMMEND TO THE UDL ADMINISTRATOR RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS OR RECOMMENDED.

I'LL HAVE THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.

UM, THE UDA ADMINISTRATOR AGAIN, IS THAT FINAL REVIEW AUTHORITY.

HOWEVER, WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE COMMENTS ARE PASSED ALONG AS THAT DECISION IS BEING MADE.

BIGGEST THING TO, I HAVE A HARD TIME JUST GRANTING AND APPROVAL OF THIS ON ARE THE LACK OF THE INFORMATION AS IT RELATES TO THE TREES.

IN THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT THE HOMEWORK'S BEEN DONE.

IT'S JUST NOT HERE FOR US TO SEE.

AND THE SECOND THING IS THE BOTTLE BOTTLE CAP MURALS, ESPECIALLY, AND JUST LOOKING AT THIS AND SEEING A BOTTLE CAP, MURAL OF SEA HORSES AND ORANGE STARFISH.

UM, I DON'T SEE THAT BEING AT HOME IN, IN THAT AREA.

UM, SO KATIE, I'M ASKING FOR SOME HELP HERE.

IF I WERE TO TRY TO DRAFT A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS, I WOULD WANT TO DO SO IN A MANNER THAT RECOMMENDED THE REMOVAL OF THE BOTTLE CAP MURAL, THE BOTTLE CAP, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE HERE IS ART IS A PERSONAL OPINION.

I AGREE.

AND WHEN WE, AS A COMMISSION START SCRUTINIZING ART, IT, UH, IT BECOMES REALLY TRICKY AND REALLY WHAT YOU LIKE PICASSO, I LIKE MONET.

UM, SO I THINK, UM, WE'RE WALKING A FINE LINE THERE THAT I THINK, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE AUTHORITY TO, TO TALK ABOUT, NO, I, I, I RESPECT THAT, THAT SIDE OF THE CONVERSATION, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THAT IS MY STANCE.

SO MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY, UM, AS I KIND OF MENTIONED, THIS IS A EXAMPLE OF WHAT IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE.

THIS IS ART THAT WAS PROVIDED BY, UM, NOPE.

THE ART WASN'T THE, THIS IS JUST PICTURES THAT ARE LAID ON TOP OF THIS, BY THE ENGINEERING, THE ENGINEERING FIRM THAT HAS WORKED ON THIS.

NO, THERE WAS AN ARTIST FOR THE SPECIFICALLY.

UM, BLENDED AS FAR AS THE ARTWORK.

TELL YOU THE NAME OF THIS POINT, BUT IT'S WELL-RESPECTED BUT HE LIVES RIGHT THERE ON AND JUST AREN'T WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED? ARE THEY, THEY ARE, OH, IN THAT CASE, IF THESE ARE THE IMAGES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED AND YOU ARE IN CONFLICT WITH THESE IMAGES, UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO RECOMMEND TO THE MINISTER THAT THE BOTTLE CAP MURAL PORTIONS THAT ARE ELEMENTS THAT ARE NOT NATIVE TO THIS AREA WOULD BE REPLACED WITH IMAGES OF NATIVE SPECIES OR SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT.

IF THAT'S, MAYBE IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO TELL A HISTORY.

AND I AGREE WITH THE CONCEPT OF ART BEING IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER, BUT IF WE'RE GOING AS ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE FACT THAT THIS IS NOT A PRIVATE PROJECT, THIS IS A PUBLIC PROJECT, AND THIS IS ON PUBLIC PLAN THAT IS GOING TO BE PAID FOR BY TAXPAYERS.

THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPREAD KNOWLEDGE, SPREAD AWARENESS.

UM, AND TO ME THAT HOLDS MORE BEARING THAN SAY ART, ESPECIALLY WHEN WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED TO HPC TODAY, CONTAINS ELEMENTS THAT AREN'T EVEN IN OUR RIVER.

THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO HAVE YELLOW SEA HORSES.

UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO INCLUDE THAT COMMENT IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION.

THEN WE'RE IN THE SITE MAP, ARE THESE GOING ONE CORNER BY THE BATHROOM? UM, ONE SIDE, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THIS BEHIND THE RESTROOMS AND OFF TO THE EAST OF THE PAVILION IS SOMETHING YOU'D WALK BY, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO.

WE LOOKED AT THREE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS FOR THIS AND THE COUNCIL SELECTED THIS LOCATION BECAUSE IT WAS A LITTLE MORE REMOTE.

WASN'T IT? ALONG THE STREET, A LITTLE BIT MORE,

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UM, YOU KNOW, WE INCLUDED THIS IN OUR APPLICATION AT THE REQUEST OF GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

WE ARE NOT CONSTRUCTING THESE, THESE ARE BEING DONE AS A KIND OF A VOLUNTEER GROUP OF, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO OCEAN CONSERVANCIES, THEY'VE DONE THESE THINGS IN OTHER LOCATIONS.

AND THEY CAME TO OUR TOWN MANAGER TO ASK THEM FOR PERMISSION TO PUT THEM SOMEWHERE IN ONE OF THE TOWN PARKS, WE LOOKED AT SIX DIFFERENT LOCATIONS FOR IT.

AND THIS IS THE LOCATION THAT WE CAME UP WITH IS MORE, PROBABLY MOST RELATED TO WATER ACTIVITY OF ALL OF OUR PARTS AND MOST APPROPRIATELY.

SO, UM, AS FAR AS IF YOU WANT TO EXCLUDE THIS FROM YOUR APPROVAL, THAT IS, WOULD BE FINE WITH US.

UM, AGAIN, THE TOWN COUNCIL HAS HAD INPUT INTO THIS AND THIS IS THE LOCATION THAT THEY HAD APPROVED AND PUT THEM THE, SO THIS HAS BEEN PRESENTED AT THE TOWN COUNCIL, AND THIS IS THE RECOMMENDATION ON WHERE TO PUT THESE ITEMS. I'M INTERESTED IN THE PARKING LOT, THE LIGHTING, THE WALKWAYS, THE ACCESS THINGS THAT'S, THIS IS JUST AN EMBELLISHMENT THAT IS POSSIBLE.

IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU SAID VOLUNTEERS.

SO IT'S NOT ACTUALLY MONEY.

WE DON'T HAVE THIS IN OUR PARTICULAR BUDGET WHERE THEY'VE COME TO US SAYING THAT THEY WOULD BUILD THAT WE'RE SHOWING YOU WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH THE IMAGES THAT THEY PROVIDED TO US.

I WOULD JUST HAVE THE, THEY WOULD PICK IMAGES THAT ARE AT LEAST IN TO OUR, BUT AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST, THESE AREN'T EVEN WHAT'S GOING TO BE PROPOSED FOR THAT GOES BACK THROUGH.

I SAID THAT THEY ARE THERE.

THESE ARE IMAGES THAT WERE PROVIDED TO US BY THE CONSERVANCY AND AS A POSSIBILITY, OR AS WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE PROVIDING, THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING.

I SEE I, IF THERE IS A CONCERN ABOUT IT, THEN I WOULD PUT THAT AS A CONDITION OR EXCLUSION FROM THE APPROVAL.

AND WE'LL GO BACK TO THEM AND SAY, IF YOU JUST WANT TO BUILD A PARKING LOT, THAT ONE, PERCEIVING THE PARKING LOT, THE LANDSCAPING, THE LIGHTING, UM, AND SAVING OF THE TREES.

AND I'M ALL FOR IMPROVING THE PARKING, IMPROVING THE SITUATION THAT WE HAVE DOWN THERE, AND THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

AND THIS, AND, YOU KNOW, I'M IN TOTAL AGREEMENT WITH 97% OF EVERYTHING THIS YEAR.

I JUST WANT TO SEE THAT I WANT TO SEE THE TREES THAT ARE COMING OUT WITHOUT HAVING TO TAKE THIS AND GO OUT AND WALK THE PROPERTY.

I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT, BUT I WANT TO SEE THE TREES THAT WE ARE GOING TO TAKE DOWN ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN WITH THE TOWN'S MONEY.

THIS IS, THIS IS NOT A PRIVATE, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE DEAL.

AND THE SECOND THING IS I I'M A STRONG ADVOCATE FOR EDUCATION AS IT RELATES TO OUR WATERWAYS, AS IT RELATES TO THE HISTORY OF THE OYSTER AND THE SHRIMPING INDUSTRY WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY.

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS ANY PLACARD THAT REALLY EVEN STARTS TO TELL THAT STORY.

UM, AND WHAT BETTER PLACE TO DO IT THEN WHERE A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF OUR BUFORD COUNTY POPULATION IS GOING TO BE ACCESSING THE MAY RIVER BY THE OLDEST OPERATING OYSTER FACTORY IN SOUTH CAROLINA.

AND WE ARE REVIEWING A YELLOW SEA HORSE, SORRY, BUT I WOULD MOVE, I WOULD FRAME EMOTION THAT STATES APPROVAL PENDING REVIEW OF TREE REMOVAL, AS WELL AS INCINERATION TAKEN IN UTILIZING THE CURRENTLY PROPOSED BOTTLE CAP, ART PLACARDS AS EDUCATIONAL TOOLS.

BUT THAT BEING SAID, UH, UH, DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? WELL, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, I, I MEAN, I DO LOOKING AT THE SITE.

UH, I'LL JUST NOTE ON THIS.

I DO THINK THAT, UH, I DON'T KNOW, I STRUGGLE A LITTLE BIT ON THIS BOARD WITH WHAT HPC IS REALLY REVIEWING.

I'LL BE HONEST WHEN I LOOKED AT THE APPLICATION, MY ONLY THING, UH, EVEN AS A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, I WAS TRYING TO JUST FOCUS HONESTLY, ON THE ART PIECES AND THE VERTICAL ELEMENTS, JUST BECAUSE, UM, I MEAN, THAT IS WHAT I FEEL LIKE THE DRC, UH, IS DOING.

I KNOW WHEN I FIRST STARTED HERE, I WOULDN'T HAVE LIKE A MILLION COMMENTS AND I'M SURE KATIE WAS LIKE, THAT'S NOT,

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THAT'S NOT AT ALL.

I DON'T KNOW.

SO I MEAN, PART OF IT, I DON'T QUITE, I PURPOSELY DID NOT REVIEW, UM, THE S THE OVERALL SITE PLAN.

JUST THOSE, UH, LIKE THOSE ELEMENTS.

I MEAN, THE ONLY THING I DO, UM, SEE THE POINT ON THOSE ART PIECES BEING LIKE REPRESENTATIVE OF, UM, SPECIES, AT LEAST THAT ARE TO BLUFFTON.

AND, UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT THAT'S A DECENT LOCATION.

MY ONLY COMMENT WAS GOING TO BE, THESE ARE PUSHING ALMOST 10 FEET.

AND, UM, IF THAT PLANT MATERIAL, I COULDN'T SEE THIS PLANT MATERIAL BEHIND IT, THERE WERE SOME VIBURNUM, UM, MAYBE SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT BIGGER TO THE SCREEN.

IT WAS GOING TO BE MY, UM, ONLY THING JUST FOR, I BELIEVE IT'S, UH, UM, RESIDENTS THAT'S THERE, BUT, UM, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, I GENERALLY AGREE WITH ALL OF, UM, GOSH, THEY'RE HUGE.

THEY'RE OKAY.

SO IS IT, IS THAT ARTWORK ON THE FRONT END, THE BACK, OR JUST THE IT'S JUST THE FRONT AND RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, THEY'RE SCREENING.

I MEAN, OVER TIME, THIS IS A VIBURNUM HEDGE THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.

THAT'LL JUST HAVE THAT AREA WILL REALLY GO AWAY.

UM, IS WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED ON THAT SITE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NEXT TO THE DUMPSTER, THE WHOLE INTENT OF THIS, OR AT LEAST AS I'M, UM, IS FOR A PRETTY BIG EVERGREEN HEDGE FOR THAT AREA.

SO, I MEAN, THAT'S THE RIGHT CHOICE, UM, THERE, BUT NO, AS CURRENTLY, UM, THEY'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST ONE-SIDED ART PIECES, CAUSE THEY'RE JUST ORIENTED TOWARDS THE ARCH SIDEWALK THERE, IT BACKS UP TO KIND OF A NATURAL AREA BETWEEN THE RESTROOMS AND WHAT WILL BE THE SIDEWALKS, THE BACK OF THESE THINGS, I WOULD ASSUME THEY WOULD BE PAINTED DARK GREEN, BLACK PROCEED IN THE LANDSCAPES.

BUT AGAIN, THAT CAN BE A CONDITION OR SUGGESTION, RECOMMENDATION TO JUSTICE.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF RESEARCH DONE RECENTLY.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF GOOD BOOKS PUBLISHED AS IT RELATES TO THE SHRIMPING INDUSTRY HERE IN THE LOW COUNTRY, AS IT RELATES TO, YOU KNOW, THE OYSTER INDUSTRY.

UM, I JUST THINK THAT LIKE THAT PLACE, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, THERE'S A HECK OF A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS, UM, THAT PROVIDES LEGACY AND MEMORIAL FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BOUNTY THAT THIS RIVER HAS PROVIDED THE AREA.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME BEFORE US THAT HAVE, HAVE WORKED AND, AND, YOU KNOW, TOILED ON THE RIVER SEASONED OPEN TODAY, AND LARRY WAS OUT AT FOUR O'CLOCK THIS MORNING.

IT'S ALMOST LAUGHABLE TO ME TO SEE THAT ART IN THAT LOCATION AND REALLY ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, YOU LIKE TO PUT A MOTION TOGETHER.

I'D LOVE TO THANK YOU.

IT'S A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OR RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL OR RECOMMENDATION OF WHATEVER IT IS.

I WOULD JUST NOTE THE LANGUAGE.

DID YOU KIND OF JUST THE RECOMMENDATION? SO IT WAS A RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO GO BEFORE ALTO, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO GO FURTHER INTO THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE.

I JUST, I THINK THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO LET THEM HEAR OUR OPINIONS.

AND THIS IS ALL GOING TO BE PRESENTED TO TOWN COUNCIL, IS THAT CORRECT? OR NO IS REVIEWED BY THE TOWN COUNCIL, BUT THE MASTER PLAN HAS BEEN APPROVED PREVIOUSLY BY THE TOWN COUNCIL.

THIS IS JUST THE DRC, THE HPC FOR COMMENT, AND THEN THE UTO ADMINISTRATOR FOR FINAL DETERMINATION.

SO THE UDL ADMINISTRATOR IS WHO THEY'RE CALLING.

AND WOMEN? THAT'S FOUR PEOPLE.

SO SHE'LL BE OKAY.

I MOVE TO, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE.

WE RECOMMEND THE APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSAL BASED ON RECOMMENDATIONS, AS WELL AS FURTHER REVIEW OF THE TREE REMOVAL PLANS AND THE REPLACEMENT OF THE YOU BOTTLE CAP MURALS WITH WORKS TO PROVIDE EDUCATION.

AS IT RELATES TO THE HISTORY OF THE MAY RIVERS, WATERMAN AND FISHERIES INDUSTRY.

WHAT ARE MEN

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WHAT ARE CONCERNS? UH, WE WERE IN EMOTION.

I HAVE TO GET A SECOND.

SO WE'RE OPEN NOW AND WE'RE AN EMOTION, SO WE HAVE TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION.

AND CAN I GET A COMMENT IN A DISCUSSION ONLY DISCUSSION ON THE COMMISSION? OKAY.

SO ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.

AYE, AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? NOTHING OPPOSED.

SO THAT MOTION IS STATED.

UH, DO YOU WANT TO REPEAT THAT MOTION JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE YES, I WILL FOLLOW UP TOMORROW.

DOES A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND FURTHER REVIEW OF THE TREE REMOVAL AND REPLACEMENT OF THE BOTTLE CAP MURAL WITH BE WITH WORKS, TO PROMOTE EDUCATION AS IT RELATES TO THE FISHERMEN AND WOMEN OF THE MAY RIVER AND THE HISTORY.

GOOD.

ALL RIGHT.

SO THE MOTION PASSES, UH, DID YOU WANT TO MENTION ANYTHING ECONOMIC AS IT RELATES TO THE WATER MEN AND WOMEN AND THE HISTORY OF THE FISHERIES OYSTERING, SHRIMPING CRABBING, AND I'LL LISTEN BACK TO THE MOTION ACTUALLY IN THE RECORDING BEFORE I WRITE THE FORMAL LESSON, WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE THAT DEAD TREE DOWN ON A PARK? THAT'S BEEN HANGING OVER PAT HAVE A WONDERFUL EVENING BECAUSE THAT IS NOT WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING TONIGHT.

AND SO I AM GOING TO MOVE ON FROM THAT.

I JUST THOUGHT, I, I, I DON'T SEE YOU ANYMORE.

SO I JUST WENT IN TO ASK THAT QUESTION, GET

[IX.3. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by BFL Builders, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness to allow the construction of a new 2-story Carriage House of approximately 704 SF located at 25 Meriwether Court, identified as Lot 6 in the Landen Oaks Development, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood General-HD. (COFA-04-22-016558) (Staff- Katie Peterson) ]

IT OUT OF THERE.

ALL RIGHT, NOW I'M ON TO OUR NEXT ITEM AND OUR FINAL ITEM OF THE EVENING.

NOT AFFECT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN OF THIS.

AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK THAT YOU DO IN OUR TOWN, MAKING IT LOOK WONDERFUL.

APPRECIATE IT.

I'M WONDERING IF YOU'D LIKE TO JOIN US.

YOU'RE WELCOME TO IF YOU WANT TO GET THERE.

YOU ARE ALSO WELCOME TO THE FINAL APPLICATION WE HAVE BEFORE US TONIGHT IS A REVIEW OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW TWO-STORY CARRIAGE HOUSE WITH APPROXIMATELY 704 SQUARE FEET LOCATED AT 25 MERRYWEATHER, WHICH IS IDENTIFIED AS LOT SIX IN THE LAND AND OAKS DEVELOPMENT HERE IN THE OLD TOWN, BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT.

AND IT IS ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL HD.

THIS IS THE LOT, RIGHT? OOPS, I'M SORRY.

RIGHT HERE.

THE YELLOW HIGHLIGHTING DID A TERRIBLE JOB ON TOP OF THE ORANGE BECAUSE I USED YELLOW NORA PERSONALLY BEING CONSTRUCTED CORRECTLY.

THERE ARE SEVERAL THAT ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED.

THIS IS THE ONE THAT HAS THE FOUNDATION ONLY FOUNDATION ONLY.

I ACTUALLY TOOK THIS PICTURE RIGHT HERE TODAY.

SO YOU CAN SEE THIS HAS GOT THE FOUNDATION.

HERE'S THE ONE THAT'S FULLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

AND THEN THE ONE THAT'S COMPLETED ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS ONE, THE ONE THAT IS ALSO IN A CONSTRUCTION TO THE RIGHT OF THAT CLOSEST TO STOCK FARM.

THIS HAS A CARRIAGE HOUSE THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED.

UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO REPLACE THE CARRIAGE HOUSE THAT WAS APPROVED WITH A DIFFERENT CARRIAGE HOUSE.

IT ADDS ABOUT 200 SQUARE FEET TO THAT CARRIAGE HOUSE.

WHEN YOU ENCLOSE THE SPACE, THE, UH, THE AREA THAT IS BEING CLOSED RIGHT HERE, AND THEN THEY'RE SHIFTING IT SO THAT INSTEAD OF COMING IN AND PULLING INTO THE CARRIAGE HOUSE, A CAR WOULD GO LIKE THAT.

NOW IT GOES STRAIGHT INTO THE CARRIAGE HOUSE INSTEAD OF, UM, HAVING TO TALK BEHIND THE STRUCTURE.

UM, THE FOUR PLANS ARE AS PROPOSED HERE.

SO THE GROUND FLOOR HAS THE GARAGE WITH THE GOLF CART BAY AS THE SECOND ONE.

IT IS A SMALLER BAY DOOR THERE.

AND THEN THE SECOND FLOOR HAS THE REF BREAKFAST NOOK AND KITCHEN.

IT'S JUST, UH, A LOFT LIVING SPACE WITH, UM, WITH A KITCHEN AND BATHROOM FACILITY IN IT.

THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS.

UM, SO THE FRONT ELEVATION IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE AS YOU PULLED IN.

THAT IS THE ONE IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER.

THE REAR ELEVATION IS ON THE OBVIOUSLY BACK OF THAT, WHICH FACES THE OPEN SPACE PARCEL.

AND THEN THE COVE BEYOND THE LEFT ELEVATION IS GOING TO BE SHOWING IT HERE THE STAIRS.

UM, SO THE LEFT ELEVATION IS WHAT FACES THE PARCEL THAT DOES NOT HAVE A BUILDING YET PROPOSED ON IT.

AND THE RIGHT ELEVATION, WHICH HAS THE DELETE THIS DOOR ON IT, BECAUSE THAT DOOR WILL NOT BE ACTUALLY ON THERE.

UM, THIS ONE HERE IS GOING TO BE FACING THE HOUSE THAT IS FAIRLY FAR IN CONSTRUCTION, BUT ON OUR CONSTRUCTION TO THE LEFT OF THE WEST SIDE.

YUP.

THAT IS ANOTHER WAY TO PHRASE IT.

AND THEN THIS IS THE SECTION THAT WAS PROVIDED FOR THE WALL SECTION OF THIS STRUCTURE.

UM, IT DOESN'T HAVE A LANDSCAPE PLAN OR A, UM, ANY OTHER PLAN BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO FIT IN WITH THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED WITH THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND THIS CARRIAGE HOUSE, THE PLANTINGS THAT WERE IN THAT AREA, THERE WERE NO TREES THAT ARE BEING DISTURBED BY THIS, THE BUSHES THAT WILL JUST SHIFT TO GO ALONG WITH THE CARRIAGE HOUSE FROM ONE DIRECTION TO THE NEXT.

SO IT DOES

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I DID PUT THIS IN HERE BECAUSE THIS IS THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.

THIS IS THE, THE, UM, LOT THAT HAD THE HIPPED ROOF STRUCTURE IN IT.

SO THIS CARRIAGE HOUSE ACTUALLY AS MATCHING EXISTS, MATCHING WITH BEING CONSTRUCTED, YES, IT ACTUALLY DOES A BETTER JOB RELATING TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE THAN THE ORIGINALLY APPROVED CARRIAGE HOUSE, WHICH STILL HAD THAT GABLE ROOF TO IT.

SO THE CARRIAGE HOUSE, WHICH IS LESS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET STILL HAVE THE GABLE ROOF.

NOW IT HAS A HIPPED ROOF TO MATCH THE WEIMAR RESTRUCTURE HERE.

UM, THIS IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

SO THIS ONE IS A NORMAL REVIEW.

UM, AND SO YOU CONSIDER THE EIGHT CRITERIA, SECTION 3 18, 3 OF THE UNITED BY DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.

WHEN YOU MAKE A DECISION AND YOU ARE AUTHORIZED TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.

UM, AND THEN THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF IS TO REPLACE THE PLYWOOD MATERIAL IN THE SOFFIT WITH SOMETHING THAT IS A PERMITTED MATERIAL, AND THEN REVISE THE WINDOWS TO BE MORE SIMILAR TO THOSE ON THE PRIMARY THEY HAVE, UM, PROPOSED WINDOWS THAT ARE ON HERE.

IT MAY JUST BE THAT IT IS NOT CLEAR FROM THE SET OF PLANS THAT WE HAD AND THEY DO ACTUALLY MATCH EXACTLY THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE BUILDING.

UM, WAS THERE A WINDOW SCHEDULE OR NO? YEP.

SO WINDOWS, YOU PRETTY MUCH GONNA JUST USE THE SAME WINDOWS THAT YOU USED ON THE HOUSE, FLIPPING THEM INTO HERE.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK, I WOULD NEED YOU TO COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE COME UP.

NOPE, NO, I MEAN, YOU CAN'T GET THAT.

NO.

SO WE NEED, IT'S HARD TO, SHE CAN'T REGISTER THAT.

CORRECT.

WE'RE GOING TO USE THE SAME WINDOWS IN THE CARRIAGE HOUSE AND WE'RE USING ALL THE MAIN HOUSE.

THESE HERE, HIM MR. QUICK QUESTION.

IF WE WERE TO TAKE THAT STAIRWAY AND MOVE AROUND IN THE BACK OF THE STRUCTURE, IS THAT GOING TO BE A BIG DEAL? CAN WE LOOK AT IT ON HERE? IT DOES HAVE TO.

THAT'S A MAJOR, THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION, KATIE, UH, THAT COULD BE POSSIBLY APPROVED BY STAFF, BUT IT HAS TO BE, YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT THAT SO THAT YOUR DRAWINGS CORRECT.

WE WOULD, UH, THE REASON I'M ASKING IS IT ACTUALLY ALLOWS US TO SLIDE THE CARRIAGE HOUSE OVER TO THAT FIVE FOOT SETBACK AND MAKES IT EASIER FOR A CAR TO GET PAST THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE AND GET INTO THE GARAGE.

SO IF WE SHIFT THAT STAIRWELL AROUND THE BACK, WE CAN DO THAT.

ALSO, QUITE HONESTLY, IT GETS IT AT A SITE BECAUSE IT SITS BACK THERE ON THE CODE.

WHEN YOU DO THE, THAT WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE NEW DRAWINGS SO THAT WHEN YOU'RE COMPLETED THAT YOUR CEO IT'S LIKE, WELL, YOU DIDN'T BUILD IT PER PLANS.

WHAT ARE YOU DOING? SO, SO IT WOULD REQUIRE AN AMENDMENT, BUT YOU CANNOT AMEND PLANS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN APPROVED.

SO THIS IS WHERE IT HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE.

I MEAN, WOW.

TH THERE ARE A COUPLE OF BENEFITS.

I MEAN, HE GETS IT OUT OF THE SETBACK.

HE GETS TO SIT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THE STAIRS OUT OF THE THREE FEET ON THE STAIRS.

NOW IT'D BE GREAT TO GO AHEAD AND JUST MOVE THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE OVER THAT FIVE FEET, GET THE STAIRWELL OUT OF EVERYBODY'S FACE AND AROUND THE BACK OF THE STRUCTURE.

SO THE APPLICATION WHICH HAS BEEN SUBMITTED HAS THIS AS WHAT IS PROPOSED, AND THIS IS WHAT EMOTIONAL, I UNDERSTAND.

I WAS JUST ASKING A GENERAL QUESTION.

THANK YOU FOR MY SIDEBAR.

I WAS JUST ASKING THOSE JUST CLEARLY DOESN'T MEAN SIMPLY JUST TO, SO WE MAKE KATIE, COULD WE MAKING THE MOTION THAT WE COULD APPROVE AS IS, BUT IF CHANGES WERE BD TO BE MADE TO THE STAIRCASE, HE DOESN'T HAVE TO SUBMIT IT TO THIS, OR DOES IT HAVE TO BRING IT TO THIS BOARD THAT SHOULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN YOUR MOTION BECAUSE THERE IS A PRODUCT THAT'S LAID OUT IN THE UDL FOR AN AMENDMENT TO A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATELY.

UM, AND IF IT DOES NOT SUBSTANTIALLY DEVIATE FROM THE APPROVAL BY THE HPC, THEN IT CAN BE APPROVED AT A STAFF LEVEL.

THAT IS HOW IT IS LAID OUT IN THE UDL.

WE DO NOT WANT THIS BOARD TO COMMENT ON THAT SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED AT THE TIME.

AND AMENDMENT CAME THROUGH AN AMENDMENT CANNOT BE PROPOSED UNTIL AFTER AN APPROVAL HAS BEEN ISSUED UNDER SKEWS.

WE CAN'T AMEND SOMETHING THAT ISN'T THERE.

SO WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GO IN THE EXCEPTION TO THIS WOULD BE, IF IT WERE EXACTLY THE RIGHT ELEVATION WOULD BECOME THE REAR AND THE REAR ELEVATION BECOME THE RIGHT AND YOU ARE SHIFTING THE WINDOWS AS THEY LOOK, BUT THAT'S GOING TO MESS THROUGH FINE.

SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK THAT WAY.

SO IT IS A MOOT POINT.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE IT UP.

UM, MAY I ASK WHY WOULD THE RESTRUCTURE REMAIN THE SAME ON THE CARRIAGE HOUSE IF IT WAS REQUIRED TO BE, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE DID? I MEAN, AND WE DIDN'T REQUIRE IT TO BE CHANGED ON BOTH.

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CORRECT.

I'M JUST CURIOUS IT, SO IT HAS TO HAVE THE SAME CHARACTERISTIC AS THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, BUT THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY ALWAYS MEAN THAT THE ROOF HAS TO BE THE EXACT SAME SHAPE.

I WAS JUST WONDERING, IS THIS SOMETHING WE SHOULD HAVE COVERED? OKAY.

I JUST WAS WONDERING IF THAT WAS TRUE.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, DO YOU NEED ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION WHERE YOU REALLY CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT, BUT LET'S JUST THROW A QUESTION.

SO I'M LOOKING FOR ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AND IF NOT LOOKING FOR A MOTION, PLEASE, I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION.

YES, PLEASE.

UM, THE, THE WALL SECTION ITSELF DOESN'T SHOW A WHOLE LOT OF DETAIL THAT THERE'S SOME MISSING INFORMATION ON WHAT RELATES TO THE ACTUAL ELEVATIONS.

FOR INSTANCE, THERE'S NO BAND BOARD SHOWN.

UM, THE OVERHANG IS NOT SHOWN, ALTHOUGH IT'S CALLED OUT ON THE ELEVATIONS, IT'S SHOWN A PLUM CUT ON THE WALL SECTION VERSUS, UM, AN ANGLED CUT ON THE ELEVATIONS THEMSELVES.

AND THERE'S KIND OF A GENERAL LACK OF DETAILS IN GENERAL.

AND MAYBE THAT'S BECAUSE IT WAS INTENDED TO MATCH THE MAIN HOUSE, BUT I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROCESS WHEN IT'S CHANGED TO CHANGE UNDER CONSTRUCTION, JUST ON ONE STRUCTURE.

IT WAS THINKING I'M GOING TO LET YOU WHAT I SAID YOU WERE THINKING OR LOOKING FOR.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S NOT MY TASK.

UM, SO THE BAND BOARD DETAIL HAS THE REASON I DON'T HAVE THOSE TWO THINGS CALLED OUT IS BECAUSE ON THIS SET OF PLANS, THEY DO HAVE IT CALLED OUT THAT IT IS GOING TO BE THE FIVE QUARTER INCH MATERIAL HERE WITH A, TO, UM, TO BUY A PRESSURE TREATED.

SO THEY'VE CALLED OUT THAT SECTION HERE.

SHOULD IT BE ON THE WALL PLANT OR THE WALL SECTION? YES, IT SHOULD.

UM, HOWEVER IT IS IDENTIFIED ON THESE PLANS AND IT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WE LOOK FOR ON THE BUILDING PERMIT SET, AS WELL AS WHEN I'M IN THE FIELD DOING THE INSPECTION, BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE TO MATCH THOSE ELEVATIONS.

SO WHILE THE SECTION SECTIONS AND DETAILS ARE NOT INCLUSIVE OF ALL OF THOSE ITEMS, THERE ARE LOCATIONS THAT SHOW THOSE ITEMS ELSEWHERE IN THE PLAN SET.

UM, AND IT'S NOT SHOWING ANYTHING, IT IT'S MISSING FROM IT, BUT NOT SHOWING SOMETHING CONFLICTING IN THE WALL SECTION, WHICH IS WHEN I DO START TO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT BUILD OUT SOMEWHERE ON THE DRAWINGS.

SO IT'S GOT THERE'S B THERE'S NO, UM, WATER TABLE ON THIS ONE BECAUSE IT'S AT GRADE.

SO IT, THE BASE WON'T HAVE A WATER TABLE, BUT THE BAND BOARD IS SHOWN ON THIS HERE.

UM, AND WILL THERE BE THERE'S EXPOSED FOUNDATION ON THE WALL SECTION? WILL THERE BE EXPOSED FOUNDATION ON THE ELEVATIONS? CAUSE THEY JUST KIND OF THEY'LL LOOK LIKE THEY COME UP, UM, GREAT UP TO THE ACTUAL SIDING AND THERE'S NO REAL SEPARATION.

SO JUST, I MEAN, THERE'S JUST CONSISTENCY THINGS THAT I KNOW WILL HAVE TO BE INCLUDED ON A PERMIT SET, UM, AND SHOWN WHAT AN EIGHT.

I JUST SAID, I THINK IT SAYS THREE INCHES, UM, THAT I CAN, I HAD ONE COMMENT ALSO ABOUT THE ACTUAL FLOOR STRUCTURE ITSELF.

UM, JUST BASED OFF OF THE LEVEL HEIGHTS, A CEILING HEIGHT OF NINE FOOT, ONE AND A HALF IN THE ACTUAL GARAGE.

AND THEN THE SECOND FLOOR IS A NINE FOOT, EIGHT THAT'S, SIX AND A HALF INCHES OF STRUCTURE AND FLOORING, WHICH SEEMS A LITTLE LIGHT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THIS HAS BEEN THROUGH STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING YET OR NOT, BUT I JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE EVEN SUPPOSED TO COMMENT ON FOR HPC.

JUST, IT CONCERNS YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME TO COMMENT ON IT.

HOWEVER, IT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT BUILDING SAFETY TAKES A LOOK AT.

UM, IT DOES SAY EIGHT INCHES HERE, BUT, UM, IF YOUR COMMENT ON IT, YOU'RE WELCOME TO, I GUESS I'M NOT REALLY ASKING QUESTIONS.

I'M JUST MAKING COMMENTS ON.

UM, YOU CAN ASK THAT THEY DO UPDATE THAT SO THAT IT IS REFLECTIVE OF THE AMOUNT OF GRADE THAT'S WRONG.

SO YOU'RE GETTING SOME FREE CONSULTING IN REGARDS TO CLEANING NEW DRAWINGS UP OR NOT.

NO, YOU GOT TO SUBMIT AS THIS, BUT WITH POSSIBILITY OF VERY GOOD AT CATCHING STAY EXPIRE, CATEGORIC CONTINUE THE FREE CONSULTING CONSIDERED.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS DO WE HAVE? I KNOW THAT I REMEMBER WHEN THE MAIN HOUSE WENT BEFORE US AND YOU KNOW, THE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT MOVING THINGS AROUND ON THE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY AND THINGS WERE GOING TO BE ON.

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AND I WAS JUST LOOKING THROUGH SOME OF THE FEEDBACK FROM THERE WITH ME ONE SECOND, MAKE SURE YOU GET THE COMMITTEE RIGHT.

AND THE PLAN REVIEW COMMENTS FOR C O F A 4 22 FROM GROWTH MANAGEMENT GARY'S HOUSE PROPOSES FIVE DIFFERENT WINDOW TYPES, WHICH DIFFER FROM THE THREE TYPES.

WHEN WE APPROVED PRIMARY STRUCTURE, REVISED THE WINDOWS TO BE MORE IN LINE WITH THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.

IT ALSO STATES JARED'S CHATTED ON THE APPROVED PRIMARY STRUCTURE HAS A HIP ROOF, VERTICAL RAILING, BALANCED RATES AND VERTICAL SIDING ON THE SIDE, BUMP OUT WHERE THE CARRIAGE HOUSE PROPOSES GABLE, ROOFS, HORIZONTAL BALUSTRADES AND SIDING ON THE FULL STRUCTURE, REVISE THE CARRIAGE HOUSE TO SHARE THE SAME GENERAL CHARACTER AS A PRIMARY STRUCTURE.

IT LOOKS LIKE SOME OF THOSE ADJUSTMENTS WERE MADE.

THE MAIN ONE THAT I DON'T SEE IS IF I MISSED IT, I APOLOGIZE, BUT ANY VERTICAL SIDING ELEMENTS.

SO I'M JUST TRYING TO PICTURE THE CARRIAGE HOUSE TUCKED BEHIND THE MAIN HOUSE FROM THE STREET.

SO THAT WASN'T, THERE WAS NO VERTICAL, UH, OR VERTICAL FINAL ANSWER CITING THAT WAS ADDED TO THE CARRIAGE HOUSE.

UM, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY NECESSARY UNLESS YOU THINK YOU FEEL THAT IT IS, UM, IT IS A MUCH SMALLER STRUCTURE.

IT WAS THE COMMENT BY STAFF FOR THE CONCEPTUAL WAS THAT THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT.

UM, AND SO THEY HAVE, THEY'VE CHANGED THE RAILINGS TO BE, I CAN DO THIS VERTICAL FOR SOME REASON.

I CAN'T DO VERTICAL HORIZONTAL TODAY, GUYS.

SO THEY'VE CHANGED THE RAILINGS THAT THESE, UM, WORK, THE RAILINGS ON HERE WERE HORIZONTAL.

NOW THEY'VE BEEN SWITCHED TO VERTICAL.

THEY'VE REDUCED THE NUMBER OF WINDOWS FROM FIVE TO THREE.

UM, BUT THEY STILL APPEAR TO BE DIFFERENT SIZES THAN THE ONES ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.

UM, IT'S THESE HERE, I'M NOT SURE WHERE THOSE WOULD BE ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.

AND THEN JUST WITH THE SET OF PLANS THAT WERE PROVIDED, THESE HERE DON'T QUITE ALIGN WITH WHAT WAS, SO IF SOMEONE'S MAKING A MOTION TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT THE WINDOW CONCEPT IS TO BE OF SIMILAR WINDOW SCHEDULE AS THE MAIN HOUSE, JUST AS A CUTE, LIKE THESE HERE ARE CLOSE, BUT NOT QUITE THE SAME SHAPE AS THOSE ARE NOT SIMILAR TO ANY OF THEM, BUT THE, THESE HERE APPEAR TO BE SIMILAR TO, AND POTENTIALLY THE SAME AS, BUT NOT QUITE LABELED TO SCALE AS THIS ONE HERE.

UM, OR THIS ONE HERE, NOT SURE WHICH, BUT THEN, SO THERE SHOULD BE THE SAME.

I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS, IF THIS MATTERS, BUT THE ONES THAT YOU'RE POINTING OUT ARE THE REAR ELEVATION, WHICH SITS BACK ON THE COVE.

THERE'S LITERALLY NO WAY ANYBODY COULD EVEN SEE THOSE.

AND I'M NOT PERSONALLY HUNG UP ON THE WINDOWS.

I WAS JUST READING THOSE, THOSE PRIOR COMMENTS.

THE, FROM A FIT, FROM AN OPENING STANDPOINT, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE GARAGE DOORS.

UM, WHAT, WHAT IS THE TEXTURE? WHAT DOES IT FINISH GOING TO BE ON THE GRAPH? UM, I THINK WE'VE GOT THEM AS THOSE HORIZONTAL PANELS RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE UH, DO YOU NEED A CALL OUT IF WE'RE GONNA? SO WE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING RECLAIMED BARN WOOD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON, BUT I'M ASSUMING THAT NEEDS TO BE CALLED OUT.

APPROVAL OF GARAGE, ADDITIONAL GARAGE DOOR INFORMATION, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES LIKE THAT, OR DISCUSSIONS, NO ONE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.

I WOULD WANT TO INCLUDE IN THE, IN THE MOTION.

I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE ANY HANG UP ON THIS.

I JUST WANTED TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW IT SATISFIED THOSE COMMENTS.

UM, GIVEN SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I SAW, BUT WHEN I DO SEE, THANK, THANK YOU KIDDING.

OVER ALUMINUM OVERHEAD DOORS.

I VISUALIZE FLAT PANEL ALUMINUM DOORS THAT ARE PAINTED AND YOU KNOW, JUST THE SHEEN AND THE TEXTURE IT'S, IT'S NOT GOING TO COMPLIMENT THE OTHER AESTHETICS.

SO I WOULD WANT TO NOT SEE A PAINTED FLAT PANEL PANEL ALUMINUM, OR EVEN A PRE-FINISHED ALUMINUM GARAGE DOOR THERE.

UH, FROM THAT STANDPOINT, YES.

YOU KNOW, AND APPROVAL PENDING, UM, YOU KNOW, STAFF REVIEW OR STAFF

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IF THAT BEING SAID WERE THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD, IF A MOTION IS BEING MADE, PLEASE CONSIDER THE DISCUSSIONS TO INCLUDE THAT MOTION, LOOKING FOR A MOTION, PLEASE.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE SUBMITTAL BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

IN ADDITION TO FURTHER STAFF REVIEW OF ADDITIONALLY SUPPLIED FINISHED DATA ASSOCIATED WITH THE GARAGE DOORS, IS THAT SPECIFIED IN THE, OR SOMEWHERE THAT WE CAN FIND IT.

THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THIS MOTION, RIGHT.

IS THAT THE COMPLETE MOTION? YES.

AND THEN WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK FOR A SECOND.

I JUST, OKAY.

I'M LOOKING FOR A SECOND ON THAT.

I'LL SECOND.

NOW WE'RE LOOKING FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.

UH, MY DISCUSSION IS WE DIDN'T MENTION WINDOWS.

DID YOU IN THE MOTION? CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? THE WINDOW NUMBER TWO.

OKAY, SO YOU DIDN'T.

UM, I DIDN'T CATCH THAT.

SO WITHOUT THAT, UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS ON THE MOTION THAT, UH, WE HAVE ON THE TABLE AND IF NOT, I'M LOOKING FOR, I GUESS MY ONLY DISCUSSION OR VOTING WOULD BE ON THAT, UM, FOR THE GARAGE THING.

IS THERE A PARTICULAR THING THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FOR THE STAFF REVIEW FOR THE GARAGE OR, YEAH, IT'S FOR DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION, BUT FOR DISCUSSION.

I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR ENTRY DOORS CAN'T BE ALUMINUM, BUT I CAN'T, I DON'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD AS, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES OUR UTO STATE, AS IT RELATES TO APPROVED MATERIALS FOR GARAGE DOORS.

BUT I WOULDN'T IMAGINE THAT A FLAT PANEL ALUMINUM WOULD BE AN APPROVED FINISH.

IF IT WAS, IF IT WAS TO BE SOME SORT OF VENEERED ALUMINUM FLAT PANEL THAT WAS A VINEYARD AND A, AN APPROVED MATERIAL, THEN THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE AND COULD BE APPROVED BY STAFF.

I CAN SAY THAT THE VIDEO DOES NOT SPEAK TO THE MATERIAL FOR GARAGE DOORS.

THAT'S KIND OF SURPRISING.

SO THAT'S STILL, THE MOTION WAS MADE AND WE, WE CAN KEEP, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT TO ENSURE THAT IT MEETS THE CHARACTER OF THE STRUCTURE, UM, AND CAN BRING SOMETHING BACK TO HPRC IF THAT IS, IS DESIRABLE.

BUT, UM, CAUSE IF IT GOES IT'S RIGHT NOW, IT IS A STAFF.

SO WITHOUT AMENDING THE MOTION, I CAN STILL BRING IT BACK TO HPRC BECAUSE THE DOES NOT HAVE ROOM IN OUR APPROVAL AUTHORITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT MATERIAL OR THE FINISH OF THE MATERIAL.

WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT SAYS IT CANNOT BE AN ALUMINUM DOOR, BUT WE COULD, UM, TAKE A LOOK AT IT JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT SHINY FLAT.

WELL, LET'S ASK THIS QUESTION STILL NOT ASKING THE APPLICANTS OR DISCUSSION STANDPOINT, HAVE WE APPROVED A GARAGE IN THIS COMMUNITY AND THIS CAUSE IT IS MULTIPLE STRUCTURES.

HAVE WE NOT APPROVED THE GARAGE HERE PREVIOUSLY? YES.

AND THEN THE, YEAH, THEY, YOU KNOW, I GUESS I'M GONNA SAY IT.

I'M LOOKING AT THE GARAGE DOOR THAT I LIVE IN STOCK FARM AND UM, OLD NEIGHBORHOOD IS NO WORSE UNFORTUNATELY, OR FORTUNATELY, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SOLID PANEL, FLAT PANEL, UH, THAT'S FLAT PANEL, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LITTLE TEXTURE TO IT AND THEIR WINDOW ON THE TOP.

BUT IN OTHER WORDS, THERE ARE NO GREAT SHAKES AND IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE CAUGHT MY EYE IF IT WASN'T, IF THIS WASN'T JUST STRAIGHT FOR FLAT PANELS.

UM, SO GIVEN THE FACT THAT OUR UDL DOES NOT SPECIFY WITH THE GARAGE DOOR FINISHED CAN OR CANNOT BE.

AND I THINK THAT THE MOTION AS IT STANDS CAN STILL BE APPROVED AT STAFF LEVEL AS AN ALUMINUM DOOR.

BE IT FLAT, GET PANELIZED OR BE A VENEER.

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SO AS THE CURRENT MOTION STANDS, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY ASKING FOR A CUT SHEET TO BE PROVIDED TO STAFF.

UM, AND THEN FROM THERE THEY CAN EITHER BRING IT TO HPRC OR APPROVE IT.

YEP.