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WE'LL CALL AND, UH, DO THE AGENDA.
AND RIGHT BEFORE THE AGENDA, I JUST WANT TO KIND OF RECAP KIND OF THE PURPOSE OF THIS COMMITTEE.
AND I THINK THAT WILL GIVE BERLIN, UH, TUESDAY, MAY 17TH, 2022 TO ORDER.
UM, LISA SALTA, FRED HAMILTON, ALICE HOWARD HERE.
AMANDA DENMARK, ASHLEY FEASTER.
AND IS HEATHER ZOOMING IN OR ARE YOU YOU'RE THE HEATHER OF THE DAY.
THERE'S A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
I NEED THE MOTION OR SECOND, SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR.
AND THEN THOSE OF YOU HERE FOR THE JANUARY SIX MEETING, THE MINUTES WERE SENT TO YOU.
WERE THERE ANY CHANGES, IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES OF JANUARY 6TH? I'LL MAKE A MOTION THERE A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR STATE BY SAYING AYE.
UM, JUMPING IN AND PUBLIC COMMENT IS NEXT AND WE'LL HAVE OUR TOWN CLERK CALLED THE NAMES ALSO COME UP, BUT BEFOREHAND, I THOUGHT IT'D BE GOOD.
JUST READING SEVERAL EMAILS OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, JUST TO GO OVER THE PURPOSE OF THIS COMMITTEE.
UM, THIS COMMITTEE KIND OF TRIGGERS WHENEVER THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
UM, WHETHER THE ISSUE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ITEM THAT ONE PARTY OR THE OTHER WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THAT TRIGGERS NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE OF COUNCIL THINKS IT IS SOMETHING WORTH DISCUSSING.
UM, SO THAT'S WHAT WAS DONE SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.
AND WE'VE HAD ONE MEETING WITH THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, BUT THIS COMMITTEE DOESN'T RULE TODAY.
THIS IS JUST A RECOMMENDING COMMITTEE THAT TAKES IT BACK TO TOWN.
COUNCIL TOWN COUNCIL CANNOT NEGOTIATE AT A COUNCIL MEETING BASED ON OUR SETUP.
SO IT WILL GO TO TOWN COUNCIL AS A RECOMMENDATION AND THEN COUNCIL VOTE SET UP ARE DOWN.
AM I RIGHT TERRY? SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR EMAILS.
I'VE HAD SEVERAL THAT WERE SENT AND I'LL MAKE SURE I SHARE THEM WITH, UM, THIS COMMITTEE WHEN WE GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
BUT, UM, ANYTHING ELSE YOU'VE BEEN ON THIS LONG CONFERENCE? UM, JUST WANTED EVERYONE TO REALLY BE AWARE OF THAT.
SO WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
PUBLIC COMMENT IS THREE MINUTES OR LESS.
IT IS ONLY FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM.
SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE, PLEASE COME TO TOWN COUNCIL OR EMAIL US.
SO KIM I'LL LEAVE THE FIRST ONE UP TO YOU AT JANE HESTER, UM, EIGHT PALMETTO BEACH DRIVE.
AND AS YOU NOTICE, WE'RE SAYING THE ADDRESS FOR YOU.
SO AS SOON AS YOU START TALKING, YOUR THREE MINUTES STARTS MS. HESTER, OKAY, WELL, I AM HERE NOT JUST AS MYSELF, BUT AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF HILTON HEAD AUDUBON, A AT LEAST 300 MEMBER CONSERVATION ORGANIZATION THAT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1974 ON HILTON HEAD THAT ENCOMPASSES HILTON HEAD ISLAND, UM, BLUFFTON AND THE GREATER BLUFFTON AREA.
WE HAVE RESIDENTS FROM QUITE FAR AWAY THAT ARE ALSO MEMBERS OF HILTON HEAD AUTOBON.
AND AS YOU MIGHT KNOW, IT'S PRIMARY FOCUSES ON BIRDS, BUT IT ALSO IS INTERESTED IN OTHER CONSERVATION ISSUES, WHICH WILL IMPACT BIRDS AND WILDLIFE.
OKAY, SO I'M HERE TO READ THE POSITION STATEMENT FROM THEM.
HILTON HEAD, AUDUBON SOCIETY CONDEMNS, PROPOSED PALMETTO BLUFF MARINA DEVELOPMENT ON THE NEW RIVER.
I'M READING THIS FROM OUR WEBSITE AND BLUFFTON, SOUTH CAROLINA PRO WIDE.
THE PROJECT WILL DESTROY IRREPARABLE HABITATS FOR BIRDS, FISH, AND WILDLIFE ALREADY DECLINING AT, AT RISK OF DISTINCTION SHATTER THE ORIGINAL COVENANT THAT ENABLED THE DEVELOPMENT OF PALMETTO BLUFF WITHIN THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON AND SERVE AS A PRECEDENT FOR MORE DEVELOPMENT THAT THREATENS THE LONG-TERM HEALTH OF OUR ECOSYSTEM.
WHAT HELMETTA BLOCK THE 2,020,000 ACRE LUXURY RESORT DEVELOPMENT BOARDED BY THREE RIVERS IN BLUFFTON, SOUTH CAROLINA, THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OF 1998 CONTAINED IMPORTANT ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTIONS, INCLUDING STRICTLY LIMITING DOCKS AND THE RIDDLE.
THEY ALTERATIONS TO THE RIVER SHORELINE PROHIBITING DOCKSIDE,
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FUELING, AND PLEDGING TO LEAVE 5,000 ACRES OF PROPERTY IN OPEN SPACE.NOW THE PROPERTY IS UNDER NEW OWNERSHIP, WHICH WANTS TO SHATTER THE ORIGINAL VISION AND CORE VALUES OF PALMETTO BLOCK BY REMOVING TWO ESSENTIAL CONSERVATION GUARANTEES FROM THE AGREEMENT ONE PROHIBITION OF DOCKSIDE FUELING, AND TWO, THE LIMITATION OF DRY, UH, SINGLE DRY STACK STORAGE IN 2005 MARINA PERMIT FOR THE BIG HOUSE ANSON WOULD ALLOW 186 BOATS SLIPS, BUT SO STREET COULD MORE THAN DOUBLE THAT CAPACITY.
AND THE REQUESTED CHANGES TO ALLOWING DOCKSIDE FUELING AND A NEW DRY STACK, NEITHER OF WHICH ARE AUTHORIZED UNDER THE EXISTING PERMIT, POSED SUBSTANTIAL RISKS TO WATER QUALITY AND THE HEALTH OF THE VAST SURROUNDING MARSH AND CRITICAL WILDLIFE HABITAT.
AND, AND, UM, THE ONLINE, THERE ARE PICTURES OF BOTH SHOWING SHELTER COVE AND THE ANTS AND MARINA AREA.
UM, IN COMPARISON WHO SOUTH STREET PARTNERS, A PRIVATE EQUITY REAL ESTATE INVESTMENT FIRM HEADQUARTERED IN CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA IN CHARLESTON, SOUTH CAROLINA, WITH OVER 1 BILLION OF ASSETS UNDER MANAGEMENT IN 2021, THE SOUTH CAROLINA, COASTAL CONSERVATION LEAGUE ONE A LONG YEARS, LONG LAWSUIT AGAINST KIAWAH DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS.
MA'AM UM, WE DON'T HAVE A CLOCK SHOWING US WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR, BUT KIM IS KEEPING THE CLOCK.
SO IF YOU'LL MAYBE 10, 20 SECONDS, THEN I'LL LOOK AT YOU AND I'LL TRY TO GIVE YOUR TIME.
COULD YOU TELL HIM NOW YOU DON'T JUST GIVE US YOUR NAME AND THEN GOOD AFTERNOON.
AND THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO OUR COMMENTS, TO YOUR NAME.
I LIVE AT 55 BEAT OYSTER STREET AND HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF BEAVER COUNTY FOR OVER 45 YEARS.
I'M READING PUBLIC COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF MY NEIGHBOR, JIM LAUGHTON RESIDING AT 52 OYSTER STREET WHO COULD NOT ATTEND THE MEETING TODAY.
I AM VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS ITEM.
17 YEARS AGO, O Z R M AND D HAG.
THE STATE AGENCY TASKED WITH PROTECTING OUR WATERWAYS AND PUBLIC HEALTH APPROVED AN APPLICATION FOR A GROSSLY OVERSIZED MARINA COMPLEX ON OUR NEW RIVER.
AUNTS AND MARINA REPRESENTS PALMETTO BLUFFS, AGGRESSIVE AND ENVIRONMENTALLY RECKLESS PUSH TO DEVELOP THE SOUTHERN END OF THEIR PROPERTY.
SADLY, THERE WAS NO ONE WATCHING AS THE PUBLIC ASSUMED AFTER A BRUISING BATTLE FOR ANNEXATION IN 1998, THE BRIG GUITAR UNION CAMP CORP WOULD HOLD TO THEIR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO STRICTLY LIMIT COASTAL DEVELOPMENT.
TODAY, SOUTH STREET PARTNERS, THE FOURTH SET OF DEVELOPERS TO OWN PALMETTO BLUFF IN 24 YEARS ARE BEFORE YOU TO ASK FOR DOCKSIDE FUELING AND ADDITIONAL DRY DOCK STORAGE.
WE ARE ASKING, WE ARE PLEADING THAT THESE REQUESTS BE DENIED.
THERE'S TOO MUCH AT STAKE FOR OUR WILDLIFE.
WE LIVE HERE TO SPORT AND COMMERCIAL AGRICULTURE TO ALLOW THESE FACILITIES ON OUR NEW RIVER.
THEIR PROPOSAL LOCATION IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE NORTHERN BRANCH OF THE COOPER RIVER ON WHICH I LIVE A DESIGNATED OUTSTANDING RESOURCE WATER.
ACCORDING TO A 2005 STUDY BY THE GEORGIA COASTAL RESOURCE COUNCIL WATER QUALITY EFFECTS FROM BOATING, PERSONAL WATERCRAFT ACTIVITIES DIRECTLY RELATED TO FUEL STORAGE AND DISPENSING WASTE DISPOSAL, HUMAN PET, FISH, CLEANING, AND BOAT MAINTENANCE.
ALL OF THESE FACTORS, AREN'T DEMIC TO THIS PROPOSAL.
WE KNOW THE MAIN CONTAMINANTS IN BOTH FUEL OR ACUTELY AND CHRONICALLY TOXIC TO BOTH PLANTS AND ANIMALS.
THESE POLLUTANTS ALSO ENTER THE WATER AS A RESULT OF FUEL SPILLS, WHICH HAPPEN DAILY.
GIVEN THAT FUELING USUALLY OCCURS NEAR SHALLOW AREAS BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE DOCKS ARE EFFECTS FROM SPILLS ARE LIKELY TO BE GREATEST THERE.
BUILD YOUR WATER IS ANOTHER KNOWN SOURCE OF FUEL CONTAMINATION.
DRY STOCK STORAGE COULD BE A PROMISE TO DRAMATICALLY REDUCE THE NUMBER OF APPROVED WHAT SLIPPED IN THE NEW RIVER.
BUT DESPITE SSPS SHALLOW PROMISES,
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THIS TOO HAS ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARDS NEEDED ONLY TO LOOK AT THE PROBLEMS OCCURRING AT WILSON LANDING.THESE PROPOSALS PLAY RUSSIAN ROULETTE WITH THE CENTRAL FUTURE OF OUR COMMUNITY, AND THAT IS OUR WATERWAYS.
WE JUST CAN'T ALLOW THIS TO BE APPROVED.
AND I HOPE YOU ALL ARE LISTENING WITH AN ART.
MICKLER UH, 1511 SYCAMORE STREETS.
I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE COASTAL CONSERVATION LEAGUE AND THE SOUTH COAST OFFICE.
UM, I'M HERE TO VOICE MY CONCERNS, UM, REGARDING THE, UH, CHANGE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UM, TO ALLOW THE DOCKSIDE FUELING AND THE ADDITIONAL DRY STACK STORAGE.
UM, SO ADDING THE DOCKSIDE FUELING AND DRY STACKS STORAGE, UM, IT'S GOING BACK ON THE PROMISE, THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ADD TO PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT, UM, THERE'S RISK TO WATER QUALITY ECOSYSTEM HEALTH, UH, AND THE COMMUNITY'S QUALITY OF LIFE.
UM, A 2003 STUDY TITLED THE ENVIRONMENTAL PAIN OF PLEASURE, BOATING DETAILED HOW MANY SMALL FUEL SPILLS CAN LEAD TO A DEATH BY A THOUSAND CUTS, MARINAS AND DOCS DO NOT FLUSH WELL.
SO THIS MEANS THAT FUELS METALS, UM, CHEMICALS, NUTRIENTS, AND TOXICANTS, AND EVEN SEWAGE CAN SINK INTO THE SEDIMENT AND MAKE OUR WATERWAYS UNSAFE ARTICLES ACCUMULATE OVER.
AND WHEN CONSUMED IN SHALLOW WATER BY PLANKTON, THEY CAN ENTER INTO THE FOOD CHAIN OVER TIME.
THESE CONTAMINANTS ACCUMULATE UP THE FOOD CHAIN AND INTO THE FRESH SEAFOOD THAT WE ENJOY.
ADDITIONALLY, ADDED BOAT TRAFFIC MEANS MORE BOAT WAKES, PROP SCARS AND THE NEED FOR DREDGING, ALL OF THIS POSE OR POSES A RISK TO THE NEW RIVER DRAINAGE AND THE NEARBY LONG AND DOUGHBOY ISLANDS, WHICH THE COASTAL CONSERVATION LEAGUE HAS IDENTIFIED AS CRITICAL HABITAT THAT IS BEST SUITED FOR A CONSERVATION EASEMENT OF CCL RECOMMENDS THE TOWN, DENIES THE REQUEST FOR DOCKSIDE FUELING AND ALSO FOR THE ADDITIONAL DRY STACK.
AND LASTLY, ERIC BLOOPER LAND 1 55 STALLINGS ISLAND STREET AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY.
UH, MY NAME'S ERIC SUTHERLAND, 1 55 STALLINGS ISLAND STREET.
I DON'T REPRESENT ANY ORGANIZATION.
UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY VOTED NO ON NOVEMBER 9TH, 2021, BASED ON THE CONCERNS ABOUT IMPACT ON WATER QUALITY, LOCAL ECONOMIC ECOSYSTEMS, AND DANGEROUS SPECIES, BOATING TRAFFIC, BIRD MIGRATION, POLLUTION FROM BOAT BUILD SYSTEMS AND FUEL LEAKS ISSUES REGARDING GAS TANK SAFETY, TRANSPORTATION OF THOUSANDS OF GALLONS OF FUEL THROUGH RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS ISSUES ON GAS, STORAGE AND DISTRIBUTION IN AN AREA ONLY 10 FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL ISSUES AND QUESTIONS REGARDING WHAT NUMBER OF APPROVALS FOR SLIPS THE DEVELOPER HAD AT THE TIME OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT.
WAS IT 10% OF 2009, 20 RESONANCE OR 4,000 IS CURRENTLY CLAIMED QUESTIONS ON DARK DRY STACKS, SIZE CAPACITY DESIGN.
WILSON HAS APPROXIMATELY 80 DRY STACKS.
THEY'RE ASKING FOR 180 TO 250 MIKE HUGHES OF THOMAS HUTTON.
ENGINEERS WAS ASKED TO COMMENT ON DREDGING, LATEST STUDIES.
HE SAID SHOWED NOT CURRENTLY NEEDED, BUT MAYBE IN THE FUTURE, DID HE SHOW YOU THE STUDY? DID HE SHOW US THE STUDY? WHEN WAS IT DONE BY WHOM ENGINEERS HAVE SPECIALIZED KNOWLEDGE AND CREDENTIALS DID A MARINE ENGINEER DO THIS STUDY? YES.
SOUTH STREET PARTNERS DID HAVE A MEETING, DETAILED PLANS AND CURRENT RENDERINGS AND STUDIES WERE COMPLETELY ABSENT.
THE PRESENTATION OF DRY STACKS LOCATED IN FLORIDA WAS SHOWN TO THE RESIDENCE, NO RENDERINGS OF WHAT THEY WOULD LOOK LIKE IN ANSON.
ALL THE RENDERINGS WERE DATED.
MATERIALS WILL BE PROUD OF THIS AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, OR ARE WE GOING TO LOOK BACK AND HORRIFIED AND SAY, WE DIDN'T KNOW, WE DIDN'T ASK FOR ENOUGH DETAILS.
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QUESTIONS THAT COME TO MIND ARE WHY JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE APPROVALS FROM 1998, DOES IT MEAN IT'S A GOOD IDEA IN 2022, BUT IF YOU PUT A CIRCLE AROUND BLUFFTON IN 1998, LOOK AT THAT PICTURE, BUT A CIRCLE AROUND BLUFFTON TODAY AND SEE WHAT YOU SEE THE LAND, THE MARITIME FOREST, THE SWAMPS THAT ONCE ACTED TO FILTER AND STABILIZE THE LAND, HOW MUCH OF IT IS LEFT? TAKE A LOOK DEVELOPMENT FOR DEVELOPMENT'S SAKE IS WHAT SALVAGE IN FLORIDA IN CALIFORNIA LOOKED LIKE TODAY.JONI MITCHELL HAD A FAMOUS SONG.
SOME OF YOU GUYS ARE PROBABLY OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER IT, CAUSE I AM PAID PARADISE AND PUT UP PARKING LOT.
SO THE MAJORITY OF THE RESIDENTS OF PALMETTO BLUFF LOVE PALMETTO BLUFF BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENT THE MOST TALKED ABOUT AND CHERISHED IN COMMUNITY BINDING AMENITY IS THE CONSERVANCY.
THE PROFESSIONALS THAT EDUCATE US ABOUT THIS SPECIAL PLACE.
WE LIVE IN A VERY SPECIAL PLACE.
50 SLIPS ARE GOING IN AS WE SPEAK.
SO THE QUESTION IS WHY, WHY NOT WORK WITH YOU FOR A BETTER PLAN? WHY NOT WORK WITH YOU TO PROTECT THE LAND AND THE WATER WITH A WELL-THOUGHT-OUT PLAN BOATS IN THE WATER BOATS ARE BETTER OUT OF THE WATER.
IT'S BETTER FOR WATER QUALITY.
AND IT'S ALSO BETTER FOR THE BOATS.
I'M A, I'M A MEMBER OF THE BOAT CLUB.
CLEARLY THEIR INTERESTS ARE NOT ALIGNED WITH THE ENVIRONMENT OR THE CONCERNS OF BLUFFTON.
WHY SHOULD THEY BE? BUT SHOULD THEY BE, WE LIVE IN A SPECIAL PLACE.
AND THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING, THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE ALL SHOULD BE PROUD OF.
WE SHOULD ALL LOOK BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE MADE EVERY CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE TO DO THE VERY BEST THAT WE COULD DO.
AND SO THE QUESTION IS WHY, WHY NOT DO THE BEST THAT WE CAN DO? WHY NOT? WHY ARE THEY NOT DOING THE BEST THAT THEY COULD DO AND SHOULD DO FOR A PLAN? THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
UM, PUBLIC COMMENT IS OVER, UM, ALL BUSINESS.
WE'RE GONNA GET, UM, KEVIN, ARE YOU GONNA DO, UH, REMARKS? AND THEN WE'RE GONNA LET OUR APPLICANT DO REMARKS.
AND I GUESS I'LL ASK A QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT, UM, AFTER THAT OUR LEGAL AND JUST THIS COMMITTEE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS QUESTIONS THEY MAY HAVE THAT ARE PRETENDING TO LEGAL ISSUES.
UM, YOU WILL NOT GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION WITH IT.
SO JUST BE OUR COMMITTEE AND STAFF, BUT ARE Y'ALL PREPARED ONCE WE COME OUT TO NEGOTIATE, OR ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK TO WHOMEVER TO TALK ABOUT WHAT OUR FIRST SUGGESTION IS? IF THERE IS ONE.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, ARE YOU READY TODAY OR DOES THIS GROUP THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER MEETING WE'RE PREPARED TO NEGOTIATE, BUT WE UNDERSTOOD THAT NEGOTIATIONS WOULD TAKE PLACE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, NOT WITH YOU.
WE WILL GO ON AN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS OUR SIDE.
AND THEN IS THERE A REASON TO REQUEST? SHE THINKS THAT WE WERE BOTH PARTIES ARE GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
LET'S JUST PLAY THAT BY EAR RIGHT NOW.
UM, IF RICHARDSON, I NEED TO SPEAK WITH YOUR, UM, DURING THE COURSE OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, WE'LL TAKE A PAUSE, TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY AT THAT POINT.
WE UNDERSTOOD THE NEGOTIATION WOULD TAKE PLACE, RIGHT.
ONLY IF IT HAS TO DO WITH CONTRACTS, OUR PERSONNEL.
AND I WANT THIS GROUP SINCE SO MANY ARE NEW TO UNDERSTAND TERRY'S, UM, BEEN PART OF THIS AS LONG AS I HAVE TO GO OVER, GO OVER QUESTIONS ON THE NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE.
THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS DO SOMETHING BEHIND CLOSED DOORS WHEN OUR PUBLIC IS HERE.
IF IT DOESN'T FALL FOR PERSONNEL CONTRACTS OR LEGAL ADVICE OR LEGAL ADVICE.
SO THE LEGAL ADVICE, IT WOULD JUST BE ONLY BE FOR US AT THE MOMENT.
SO, BUT ARE YOU READY TO DO THAT IN SOME FORMAT TODAY OR, OR NOT? YES.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, CAUSE I WANT PEOPLE TO KIND OF BE PREPARED TO WHAT NEXT STEPS ARE.
KEVIN UPDATE, GREAT OR RESPONSE OR WHATEVER IT IS.
UM, SO WE PROVIDED ON THE AGENDA JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD THAT THIS WAS THE FORMAT THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE FOLLOWING.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH QUITE A FEW OF THESE ITEMS. WE'RE NOW AT STAFF RESPONSE, APPLICANT RESPONSE, AND THEN OF COURSE, EXECUTIVE SESSION.
UM, I'M JUST GOING TO BRIEFLY GO THROUGH FOR THE, THE MEMO THAT WAS PROVIDED.
I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, UH, THAT WAS PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKET FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS.
UH, SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO GO OVER THAT.
I DO HAVE EXISTING, UM, PRESENTATIONS, UH, FROM THE JANUARY MEETING IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO GO BACK TO THEM WITH SOME OF THE MAPS.
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SO AGAIN, THIS IS THE REQUEST FOR THE FIFTH AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO PROVIDE FOR THE DRY DOCK SIDE FUELING AND, UH, SECOND DRY STACK STORAGE, UH, BIG HOUSE, UH, TRACK OF THE ANTS AND MARINA.AND THEN OF COURSE, THE SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE SAME, UM, AT THE JANUARY MEETING, UH, YOU HAD A LIST OF QUESTIONS THAT YOU ASKED STAFF TO FORMULATE, PROVIDE A LETTER TO THE APPLICANT, UH, WHICH WE DID THAT WAS PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, THESE WERE SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE KIND OF DISCUSSED.
IT WAS TO HOLD THAT COMMUNITY MEETING, UH, PROVIDE A COPY OF THE COMMUNITY CHARTER, UH, REQUEST THE DETERMINATION REGARDING THE INTENT OF THE LANGUAGE OF THAT SECOND, UH, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UH, SUMMARY OF SITE DIMENSIONS, UH, PROVIDING A BREAKDOWN OF THE SIZE AMOUNT OF WET SLIPS, UM, INFORMATION ON THE WIDTH OF THE MAYOR FOR ROAD OR MAY RIVER AND AT LOW AND HIGH TIDE, UM, INDICATE GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY RESPONSIBLE FOR ISSUING DREDGING PERMITS, UH, PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE HEALTH OF THE MAY RIVER AND THEN INCLUDE AN OVER VIEW OF STATE STREET PARTNERS, BAKKER AND FINANCER.
UH, THE APPLICANT DID PROVIDE A RESPONSE TO US, UH, WITH THEIR APRIL 8TH, UM, LETTER, UH, THAT WAS PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, I DO HAVE A COPY OF IT PULLED UP HERE, UM, AND I CAN LET THE APPLICANT GO THROUGH THEIR RESPONSES SO THAT WAY THEY CAN EXPLAIN, UM, THEIR REASONING BEHIND THAT.
ALSO WANTING TO PROVIDE JUST A TIMEFRAME AS TO, AS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PROCESS.
UH, SO HERE YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT'S GONE THROUGH DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMISSION OR COMMITTEE PLANNING, COMMISSION PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A RECOMMENDATION, THE TOWN COUNCIL'S FIRST READING, WHERE IT WAS REMANDED TO THE NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE.
UH, THAT FIRST MEETING THAT WE HELD ON JANUARY 6TH, WHICH WAS TABLED UNTIL TODAY.
UH, SO AGAIN, IF THERE'S THE NEED FOR AN ADDITIONAL MEETING AFTER THIS, THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED, UH, FROM THERE, WE'LL DETERMINE IF IT DOES NEED TO GO BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, TO BE REHEARD AND THEN PROVIDING A NEW RECOMMENDATION AND THEN ULTIMATELY TO TOWN COUNCIL FOR A FIRST READING AND A SECOND AND FINAL READING.
UM, SO WITH THAT, THE POWERS THAT ARE GRANTED ARE THE NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE AGAIN, IS TO FORD.
UM, YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND OR TOWN COUNCIL, UM, WITH AN APPROVAL YOU CAN, UM, FORWARD IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND TOWN COUNCIL WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL WITH ANY POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS, UM, OR YOU COULD RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE APPLICATION.
SO, UM, THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE.
I HAVE, UH, PROVIDED A COPY OF LETTER.
HOPEFULLY IT WAS, UH, UP HERE EARLIER WAS SECOND.
UM, AND THEN I CAN LET THE APPLICANT COME UP AND, UH, GO THROUGH THESE RESPONSES.
UM, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE FROM STAFF.
ANY QUESTIONS AT KEVIN RIGHT NOW? YEAH.
KEVIN, YOU DIDN'T, UM, MAYBE WE DIDN'T EDUCATE US ON WHAT WAS IN THE AGREEMENT AS, AS WE SPEAK, BECAUSE THE THING, ESPECIALLY WITH NEW MEMBERS ON THIS NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE, THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO MAKE A DECISION BASED ON WHAT'S THE, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT CONSIST OF WITH, REGARDING TO THIS REQUEST.
AND THERE WAS A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE, ON THE DOCK, SO I CAN ADDRESS IT KEVIN, OR YOU CAN SAY WHAT'S LEGALLY BINDING AT THE MOMENT.
UM, SO LEGALLY BINDING RIGHT NOW IS THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS PERMITTED ON, IS ACTUALLY ALREADY STARTED CONSTRUCTION ON THE DOCK, WHICH THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE MARINA WITH 50 WET SLIPS IN THIS FIRST PHASE.
UH, SO THEY'VE ALREADY STARTED THEIR CONSTRUCTION FOR THAT PART OF IT.
AND THAT'S PERMITTED BY RIGHT.
THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT MEETING, MEETING ALL THEIR REQUIREMENTS.
YES, MA'AM UM, IT IS THE FIRST 50 IN THE, IN THE FIRST PHASE AND THEN IT'S UP TO A HUNDRED AND SEVENTY, A HUNDRED SEVENTY SEVEN.
UM, SO FROM A LANGUAGE STANDPOINT OF THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THE LEGAL BINDING CONTRACT, UM, IS CHANGING.
AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DRY STACK FACILITIES CURRENTLY, WHERE IT SAYS IS, UH, SHALL BE PERMITTED AT ONLY ONE OF THE ACCESSES.
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THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TWO OF THE ACCESSES, AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE, UM, AT THAT BIG HOUSE LOCATION.AND THEN SAME FOR THE CONCEPT PLAN LANGUAGE IS TO CHANGE THAT INFORMATION, TO ALLOW FOR THE DRY STACK STORAGE, UH, FOR THE EXCEPTION OF THE BIG HOUSE, WATER ACCESS POINT, AND THEN FUELING FACILITIES.
SO AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE ALLOWING FOR THE FUELING FACILITIES TO GO THROUGH THE OCR OCRM TO THE CRITICAL LINE AND ACTUALLY HAVE IT DOCK SIDE.
SO BY RIGHT, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE FUELING UPLANDS SO THEY CAN HAVE A FUELING TANKS, UH, RIGHT NOW WITH NO PROBLEM.
UM, AND THEN WHAT THEY'D HAVE TO DO IS ACTUALLY BRING THE BOATS OUT OF THE WATER, FUEL THEM, AND THEN PUT THEM BACK INTO THE WATER.
THEIR REQUEST OF COURSE, IS TO HAVE BOATS IN THE WATER FUEL NEXT TO THE WATER AND THEN DISPENSE THE FUEL FROM THERE.
THE QUESTION ON THAT, AND IT WAS A COMMENT MADE IN AN EMAIL CURRENTLY AT WILSON, THEY WERE ALREADY APPROVED FOR, I DRIVE STACK STORAGE AND IT CAME WITH FUEL ON LAND.
THEY COULD DO FUEL ON LAND WITHOUT A DRASTIC STORAGE CURRENTLY, OR THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME IN TANDEM.
THEY CAN, THEY CAN DO, UM, THEY CAN DO FUEL UPLAND.
I MEAN, THEY HAVE THAT, THAT IS NOT A REQUEST.
IT COMES IT'S THERE AUTOMATICALLY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THIS WITH THE, THESE ARE, THAT'S THE ONLY AREAS WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, AND NEGOTIATING.
SO WE HAVE, UM, THE LETTER UP AND MAYBE SCROLL IT DOWN AS NEEDED, WHO IS SPEAKING AND YOU CAN ANSWER OR GO INTO MORE DETAILS.
UM, WE DO KNOW YOU HAD A MEETING WITH YOUR, UM, COMMUNITY RESIDENTS, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
I WATCHED IT AND EVERYONE GOT THE LINKS ON THE, SURE.
THIS IS A VERY DEVOTED GROUP AND THEY WATCHED IT AS A THANK YOU FOR THAT.
FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US TODAY.
I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE BUSY SCHEDULES AND HAD TO ACCOMMODATE THIS, THIS MEETING.
UM, I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM IF NEEDED, BUT I FELT MAYBE IT'S BETTER IF I CAN JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, FEEL, ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY, RATHER THAN ME JUST READ WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN.
UH, I'LL START, MAYBE GET EVERYONE THINKING.
THE LAST GENTLEMAN AT PUBLIC COMMENT REALLY LAID OUT WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING.
SO, AND I NOTICED THAT TOO, WHEN I SAW YOUR DRAWINGS ON THE SCREEN, I MEAN, I WROTE IN A NOTE, COULD YOU GET BETTER VISUALS? I MEAN, THAT WAS NOT BLUFFTON, WHATEVER DOES ATTACHMENTS WERE AT THAT MEETING.
SO COULD YOU SPEAK TO PERHAPS HIS CONCERNS? CAUSE THEY'RE, I THINK THEIR HOURS AS WELL AND THE PROCESS AND THE PROCESS FOR DESIGNING THE PROCESS FOR DESIGNING, FIRST OF ALL, UNDER, UM, WE HAVE NOT YET SOUGHT A ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OR A FINAL DESIGN OF THE DRY STACK STORAGE, BECAUSE WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO BE PERMITTED TO BUILD IT YET.
WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO IS JUST SPATIALLY REPRESENT THIS, THIS SIZE OF A BUILDING WILL HOUSE THIS MANY BOATS.
UM, THERE ARE DIFFERENT, UH, VERSIONS OF DRY STACK, IF YOU WILL.
THERE ARE TRADITIONALLY WHAT IS AT WILSON RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS A FORKLIFT, UM, THAT DROPS THE BOATS INTO THE WATER.
THERE ARE ALSO AUTOMATED SYSTEMS, UM, THAT ACTUALLY RUN ON RAILS.
UM, THEY'RE COMPUTER CONTROLLED TOLERANCES ARE A LOT TIGHTER, MEANING THAT WE CAN FIT MORE BOATS INTO A SMALLER SPACE.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE THE ISSUES OF, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED THOUSAND PLUS FORKLIFT UP AND DOWN.
UH, THE DIESEL FUMES, THE DIESEL EXHAUST, ANYONE WHO'S EVER KEPT A BOAT IN DRY STACK, WHETHER IT'S AT WILSON OR WHETHER IT'S AT BROAD CREEK OR WHETHER IT'S AT SHELTER COVE OR, UH, OTHER, UM, SKULL CREEK, UM, YOU KNOW, YOUR BOAT GETS COVERED IN THAT, THAT DIESEL SIT WHILE IT'S IN THE DRY STACK.
SO WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T ACTUALLY DESIGNED DRY STACK YET.
UM, WE WERE JUST TRYING TO SPATIALLY REPRESENT WHAT IT COULD BE, UM, AS WE MOVE FURTHER, OBVIOUSLY, UM, WE HAVE OUR VERY HIGH STANDARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW WITHIN PALMETTO BLUFF AND IT WOULD ALL BE WITHHELD TO THAT STANDARD TO GET THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO FILE A DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE TOWN OF BOSTON.
WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, STORMWATER APPROVAL, A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, ALL REVIEWED BY STAFF AND
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POSSIBLY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.YEAH, I I'M MAINLY, UM, WANTED TO CALL THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION FOR FUTURE MEETINGS, WITH YOUR COMMUNITY SAFETY SMART GROUP OF PEOPLE.
AND YOU MAY AS WELL JUST SHOW HIM KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE THINKING, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF ANYTHING WOULD HAVE TO GO BEFORE PLANNING, PERMISSION AND STAFF, AND THEY KIND OF HAVE A CHECK MARK ON DESIGN TO UNLOCK OR MORE LOCATIONS OR WATER OR MORE ORACLE, MORE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT LOCATION-WISE, UM, MAKING SURE THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH, UH, WHATEVER, UH, BUFFERS THAT ARE IN PLACE.
ANYONE FROM OUR LAST MEETING? ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE MORE DETAILED ZONE? ANYONE IT'S NOT A QUESTION, BUT I GUESS JUST A CONCERN IN REGARDS TO, UM, NOT PROVIDING SOME SORT OF DESIGN FOR THE DRY STOCK, UM, WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING A HOUSE IN SEEKING A NEW CONSTRUCTION LOAN, THE BANK ASKS FOR DESIGN.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S KIND OF DISCONCERTING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T HAVE SOMETHING, A SKETCH OR SOMETHING SO THAT YOU COULD VISUALIZE EXACTLY OR AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE WITH WHAT THE PLAN IS.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE MADE YOUR JOURNEY A LITTLE SMOOTHER, UH, SIBLING FOR SURE.
I'LL ADDRESS THAT AND HELLO EVERYONE.
I'M HAPPY TO BE BACK WITH YOU ALL.
UM, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS, UM, THE, THE IDEA OF FULLY DESIGNING A DRY STACK OR A HOME OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT IS A VERY EXPENSIVE PROPOSITION.
UM, WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS ENGAGED OUR ENGINEERING FROM THOMAS AND HUTTON, AS WELL AS ONE OF THE MOST WELL-KNOWN, UM, MARINA DESIGN ARCHITECT FIRMS ATM.
SO WHAT YOU SAW IN THOSE PRESENTATIONS TO OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS WAS THEIR ACTUAL WORK.
WE HAVE SPENT THOUSANDS, IF NOT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON THE CONCEPTUAL SCHEMATIC PLANS, UM, BUT TO GO FULL BOARD DESIGN DEVELOPMENT, UM, IT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE PROPOSITION WITHOUT HAVING, UM, ANY SORT OF A GUIDEPOST IS IF WE'RE ABLE TO DO THIS OR NOT.
UM, AND SO, UM, OUR, WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO SHOW WAS FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT THOUGHTS AND IDEAS, THE REFERENCE TO FLORIDA, I'M SORRY, THE ONLY AUTOMATED DRY STACK THAT'S BUILT TODAY IS IN FLORIDA.
UH, WE THINK THAT THAT IS ULTRA ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AND SENSITIVE RELATIVE TO SHORELINE STABILIZATION WITHOUT THE A HUNDRED A, A THOUSAND POUND FORKLIFT, UM, ABILITY TO STORE MORE BOATS IN A MORE CONCENTRATED AREA.
UM, AND SO WHAT YOU SAW WAS REAL WORK DONE BY REAL ARCHITECTS WHO ARE REALLY GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO RELATIVE TO MARINE, UH, AND MARINA CONSTRUCTION.
UM, AND SO THAT, THAT, THAT'S THE, THE, THE, THE SIMPLE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION, UNDERSTANDING WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A FULL DESIGN AND WE WILL HAVE ONE, IF WE'RE PERMITTED TO PROCEED, THAT WE WILL SHARE WITH OUR COMMUNITY SHARE WITH THE TOWN AS WE PROCEED FORWARD.
UM, AFTER READING THE PACKAGE AGAIN, I'M STILL NOT CLEAR, IS IT, ARE YOU PLANNING ABOVE GROUND OR UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS FOR THE FUEL? AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE WHAT DIESEL AND GASOLINE, IF I READ IT CORRECTLY, IT COULD BE UNDERGROUND.
APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY GALLONS, A THOUSAND TO 10,000 GALLONS, BUT TWO, TWO TANKS.
COULD YOU SAY WHAT HE SAID? SO, YEAH, SO TO BE A UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS, 10,000 GALLONS, THE OTHER ONE WILL BE LESS.
SO ONE IS 10 AND ANOTHER WILL BE SOMEWHERE UNDER 10, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU MEANT THAT STRIKE AROUND FIVE, FIVE TO SEVEN, I JUST GOT TO BE TWO 10,000 GALLON TANKS.
IT COULD BE TOO LIKELY LESS, AGAIN, ALL OF THESE THINGS COME OUT IN A MORE FULLY DESIGNED PROGRAM AND PROCESS.
AND WHAT IS CURRENTLY AT THE WILSONVILLE FIVE, FIVE? IT IS IN THE PACKET.
I BELIEVE IT'S 33,000 AND 7,000 GAS LIT THREE AND FIVE.
IT'S LIKE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING ONLINE DON'T HAVE THE PACKET PROBABLY IN FRONT OF ME.
IT WAS THREE, 3000 AND 5,000 SPLIT BETWEEN DIESEL AND GASOLINE.
I HAVE A QUESTION, UM, GOING BACK TO KIND OF CAROLS, JUST TO MAKE PEOPLE FEEL A LITTLE BIT BETTER, WHO WOULD BE REVIEWING THE ARCHITECTURE? IS IT JUST THE REVIEW BOARD THERE? IS IT, OR IS THE COMMUNITY GOING TO BE INVOLVED OR HOW IS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T COME THROUGH TOWN FOR ARCHITECTURE.
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WOULD REVIEW, WHICH CONSISTS OF ARCHITECTS WITHIN THE TOWN, UM, AS WELL AS OUR DIRECTOR OF DESIGN.AND THAT WAS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION IN ANNEX AND YOUR PEER PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, AT PLANNING COMMISSION, COULD IT BE REQUIRED TO SEE THOSE PLANS BECAUSE THAT'S STILL NOT, I'M ASKING TEARY RIGHT NOW.
IT'S NOT A DONE DEAL OF KEVIN.
SO WE MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION.
IT GOES TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
AMANDA MEETS WITH HER COMMISSION CAN BE A REQUIREMENT OF SEEING SOME SCHEMATIC OF A PLANT, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO TOWN COUNCIL TO HAVE IT APPROVED.
WHERE DOES THAT FIT IN? IT WOULD BE DURING THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS.
SO NOT NECESSARILY AGAIN, WITHOUT A GUARANTEE THAT THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DESIGN ANYTHING JUST BECAUSE THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.
SO THEY WOULD COST, UM, AS IT MOVED FORWARD WITH A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, WE CAN, WE CAN ASK, UM, AND USE IT MORE AS A SUPPLEMENT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN NOT BASE THEIR DECISION OFF OF THE ARCHITECTURE BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO REVIEW THE ARCHITECTURE.
SO, UM, THEY CAN, THEY CAN REVIEW IT AND MAKE COMMENTS, UM, BUT NOT NECESSARILY BASE IT OFF OF THE, THEY HAVE A REVIEW CRITERIA TO FOLLOW.
AND ARCHITECTURE IS NOT, NOT ONE OF THOSE CRITERIA.
IT FALLS UNDER THE VIEW DEVELOPMENT REVIEW WHO SITS ON THAT WELL, SO YOU HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE, WHICH IS MADE UP OF STAFF AND SOME EXTERNAL AGENCIES ARE MARSHALL, UH, BUFORD, JASPER, WATER, SEWER.
UM, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE REVIEWING THE HORSE PLUS PLUS THE PLANNING, PLANNING COMMISSION CHAIR, THE VICE CHAIR, AND THEN ANOTHER REVIEWER.
IT DOES FALL ON TO A PLANNING COMMISSION THAT, AND IT'LL GO IN FRONT OF PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL.
SO, UM, BUT I GUESS I WANTED THE CLARIFICATION CAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE GET CONFUSED WITH PLANNING COMMISSION THAT WE DON'T LOOK AT ARCHITECTURE.
IT'S NOT IN OUR PURVIEW AND MOST OF THE TIME.
SO I JUST WANT TO EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THAT AND TO BE COMFORTABLE THAT HAVING A BLUFF TAKES CARE OF THAT PORTION THEMSELVES, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
MR. DAVIS, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AS IT PERTAINS TO THE, UM, PROPOSED STORAGE TANKS, UH, FOR FUELING, OBVIOUSLY I'M I REALIZED THAT, UM, WHEN YOU HAVE UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANK, SHE GOT DOUBLE-WALLED TANK, SHE GOT PIPED IN THIS DOUBLE WALL, YOU GOT ALL KINDS OF COMPUTERS SYSTEMS TO, TO SHUT A FEW FLOW OFF THAT TYPE THING.
WHEN YOU DO HAVE LEAKS INTO THE SECOND WALL FAR AS ACTUALLY OWNED THE ACTUAL DARK ITSELF, WHERE YOU WOULD PROPOSE TO HAVE THE DISPENSERS, I GUESS, WOULD BE LOCATED.
IS THERE ANY KIND OF PROPOSED CONTAINMENT SYSTEM, IF YOU DO HAVE ANY KIND OF SPILL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? UM, AND I GUESS MY SECOND QUESTION IS, CAUSE I THINK ABOUT, UM, WHEN YOU HAVE, I THINK IT'S ALREADY APPROVED FOR 177 WET SLIPS THERE NOW WILL PEOPLE BE ALLOWED TO, TO GET FIVE GALLON BUCKETS OF FUEL AND PUT THEM ON A DOLLY AND BE ABLE TO WHEEL THEM DOWN AND ACTUALLY POUR FUEL INTO THEIR BOAT? YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE DO THAT.
UM, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED OR NOT.
AND SOMETIMES THAT CAN BE JUST BAD IS HAVING A FUEL DISPENSING DISPENSER.
DATA'S ACTUALLY MANNED BY SOMEBODY LIKE WORSE THAN HAVING A FUEL TO SENSOR THE FUEL, THE SENSORS REGULATED BY D HECK WE HAVE TO CONSTRUCT IT TO CERTAIN STANDARDS RIGHT.
UM, MIKE, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO THE DOCK SIDE VIEW? R R R AND THE FUEL ABOVE GROUND THAT'S ALREADY, WE KNOW IT CAN BE PUT THERE.
WHAT ARE YOUR RULES ON BRINGING IT FROM LAND TO DOCK? EXACTLY.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE DISPENSER, IT WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED.
SO YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE AN EMERGENCY SPILL RESPONSE KIT THAT IS TAKEN AND PUT ON THE DOCK OR, UM, FOR ANY OF THAT COULD EVER OCCUR.
UM, WE ONLY ARE PROPOSING AND I THINK THERE WAS SOME MISCONCEPTION.
THERE'S JUST ONE LOCATION THAT WILL BE SERVED DOWN AT THE DOCK, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE ONE PUMP THAT HAS DIESEL AND GASOLINE.
WE WILL NOT HAVE BROAD DISPENSARIES THAT GO ACROSS ANY OTHER LOCATIONS.
UM, IT'S IMMEDIATELY DOWNSTREAM OF WHERE THE SHIP STORE IS.
IT WILL BE SERVED BY ADMINISTERED BY SOMEONE AT THE SHIP OR THE DOCK MASTER.
IT WILL NOT BE, UM, PULL UP SERVICE TO WHERE YOU SELF ADMINISTER.
UM, AND THERE ARE, THERE'S AN
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COULD BE HIGHER THAN ACTUAL DOCK TIDE SO THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE ACTUAL FLOW COME AND SIPHONED DOWN TO THE DISPENSE OR THE DISPENSARY POINT.UM, AND YOU DO HAVE DOUBLE-WALLED LINING ALSO WITH THE HOST SYSTEM AS WELL, LEADING DOWN TO THE DOCK.
I MEAN, JUST TO BE CLEAR, IT IS ONLY FEEL, IT WILL BE, THE SPIRITS WILL BE BY A LOSS EMPLOYEE WHO WAS TRAINED AND CERTIFIED CAUSE YOU SAY, OKAY, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, TICK FINGER PULLS UP IN HIS BOAT, JUMPS OUT AND GRABS THE FUEL PUMP AND STARTS TALKING YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THESE ARE REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS FOR JUST PUBLIC TO GET ANSWERED.
AND ALSO THIS COMMITTEE, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT THE APPLICANT OR OF KEVIN, UM, THIS LETTER THAT WAS IN OUR PACKET AND IT WAS WELL-WRITTEN AND ALL THE QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED.
I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING IN THE PACKET.
UH, CAUSE I THINK IT WAS DIRECTED MORE TOWARDS BOTH END, BUT THE NUMBER OF BOATS AND THE, IN ONE OF THE PROPOSED DRY STACKS AT ANSON I, 77 WAS FOR WILSON, RIGHT.
WHAT WAS THE NUMBER FOR ONE DRY STACK? WE HAVEN'T EVEN COME UP WITH A NUMBER AGAIN, IT REALLY IS DEPENDENT UPON WHAT TYPE OF FACILITY WE, WE ENDED UP CHOOSING TO BUILD.
WE KNOW WE COULD, WE HAVE, WE, WE HAVEN'T REALLY PIGEONHOLED OURSELF TO A SQUARE FOOTAGE OR THE NUMBER OF BOATS YET.
WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY, WE'RE REALLY LIMITED, UH, BY LAND SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THEN VIA OUR OWN GOVERNING, UH, DOCUMENTS, HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS.
AND SO, UM, AS WE POINTED OUT IN OUR PRESENTATION WITH THE DIFFERENT AND NEW TECHNOLOGIES THAT ARE EVER EVOLVING IN THIS DRY STACK STORAGE SPACE, UM, TO PUT A NUMBER ON THE SLIP IS, IS IT'S, IT'S BETTER IN OUR OPINION TO GO SIZE BECAUSE WE'RE LIMITED IN, IN SIZE AND HEIGHT.
SO, BUT I THINK ULTIMATELY IF WE GO FULL AUTOMATION JUST TO BE FULLY TRANSPARENT, I THINK YOU HAVE 300 TO THREE 50.
IT'D BE ONE BUILDING, ONE BUILDING AND, AND, AND THAT'S LIMITED TO FOUR, I THINK IT'S FOUR STORIES, BUT THE HEIGHT IT'S REALLY THREE AND A HALF TO FOUR STORIES IS THE HEIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW THE ACTUAL NUMBER.
YOU HAVE TO LIMITED TO 50 FEET OVERALL HEIGHT.
UM, BUT, BUT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT SLIPS, RIGHT YOU, AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THIS WAY 3 5400 IS IF YOU REALLY HAVE MULTIPLE 20 TO 22 FOOT SLIPS, YOU COULD HAVE 300 SLIPS YET YOUR DRY SIDE FLIPS AND DRY STOCK.
I'M TALKING ABOUT SLIPS AND DRIES.
LIKE YOU COULD HAVE 300 SLIPS IN THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE SIZE BUILDING, BUT YOU JUST HAVE SLEPT SCORE 40 FOOT BOATS.
AND SO IT'S REALLY JUST, UH, ONCE YOU BUILD YOUR ON YOUR FOOTPRINT LIMITED BY FOOTPRINT AND HEIGHT, WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT'S THE MARKET SAY RELATIVE TO THE SIZE OF BOAT.
YOU'D WANT TO POSITION YOURSELF FOR, WE THINK IT'S AROUND 20 TO 25 FEET, RIGHT? THAT'S AND I THINK WE SHOWED THAT IN OUR LAST PRESENTATION THAT A BULK OF OUR CURRENT NUMBERS AND TRYING TO EXTRAPOLATE THAT OUT INTO OUR FUTURE MEMBERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS.
WHAT'S THE AVERAGE SIZE OF BOAT THEY ULTIMATELY WANT TO HAVE.
SO LET ME JUST MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR.
TO DRY STACKS IS FULLY AUTOMATED, POSSIBLY $300, 300 BOATS PER DRY STACK.
POSSIBLY YOU'RE TALKING 600 BUCKS.
UH, NO I'M SAYING ONE DRY STACK, 300 TO 301 BUILDING ABOUT 65 TO 70,000 SQUARE FEET.
I THINK WE SHOWED THE OVERLAY ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE SPACE.
SO THAT'S A LAND SQUARE LIMITED AT 50 FEET HIGH.
UH, WE BELIEVE IF YOU GO FULL AUTOMATION, IT'S BETWEEN 300 AND 350.
IF YOU WENT THE WILSON ROUTE, UM, IT'S LIKELY A HUNDRED.
UM, AND I THINK BASED ON, UM, OUR SURVEY, IN ADDITION TO THE COMMUNITY MEETING, WE, WE DID, UH, HOLD, UM, THAT THE DEMAND IS CERTAINLY, UH, THERE FOR THIS, UH, THIS PRODUCT.
UM, AND IT IS A NEED AND A WANT OF, UH, THE PALM OUT OF BLOCK COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UH, IN, IN MAJORITY, ANYTHING ELSE.
SO WE ARE, UM, WE HAVE DISCUSSION, WHICH WE'VE BEEN ASKING QUESTIONS OF.
UM, WE, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF LEGAL? ANYTHING WE HAVE ACTUALLY TWO LEGAL QUESTIONS I'D LIKE TO ASK OUR LEGAL COUNSEL.
SO IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE FROM THIS SIDE, IS THERE A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS CONTRACTUAL MATTERS AND LEGAL ADVICE REGARDING THIS FIFTH ELEMENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THE SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT IS FOR YOU AT 34, 70 81, IF YOU'RE A SECOND,
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ANY DISCUSSION, I WOULD SAY TERRY, WHAT 20 MINUTES? UM, THE GOAL IS TO ADJOURN BEFORE FOUR, BUT WE HAVE FOUR AS A TIMER BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE THAT GET TO EXTEND EXTENDED.SO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION WE WILL LEAVE AND YOU WERE WELCOME TO STAY HERE, UM, AND GET A BREATH OF FRESH AIR OR WHATEVER MAKES YOU FALL ALL IN FAVOR STATE BY SAYING AYE OPPOSED THAT'S UNANIMOUS.
SO LEGAL AND KEVIN, CHRIS, KIM, DO YOU GO WITH US? UM, NO VOTES WERE CAST.
AND WHEN MR. FINGER WHO'S OUR PANEL ATTORNEY REPRESENTS ALL OF US.
I'LL BRING HIM A RICHARDSON TO THE PODIUM TO GIVE EVERYONE AN UPDATE.
AND I WAS TOLD THAT YOU GAVE UPDATES THROUGHOUT AND I APPRECIATE Y'ALL STAY IN HERE.
SO, UM, AREAS MR. FINGER, YOU WERE RICHARDSON.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE WITH THE PROCEDURE TO SAY AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, ABOUT NINE OR 10 YEARS NOW, LONGER THAN, THAN, THAN LONGER THAN THAT.
15 YEARS, UM, PRODUCTIVE DIALOGUE AND SOME OTHER ONES.
I NEED TO GO THROUGH SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO AS A COMMITTEE.
UM, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO RESPOND TO ON SOME POINTS WE RAISED WITH THEM.
WE HOPE TO RECONVENE BY NO LATER THAN THE MIDDLE OF JULY.
UM, SOME TYPE OF RULING, UM, ON, UM, THE REQUEST.
AND AGAIN, THE REQUEST IS FOR TWO LIMITED THINGS.
UM, JUST AS IN ANY NEGOTIATIONS, UM, CERTAIN, UM, NIGGA NEGOTIATION HAVE TO BE CONFIDENTIAL TO SOME EXTENT, UM, THE DIALOGUE GOING, UM, AND WE'RE OPTIMISTIC THAT, UM, WE'LL BE ABLE TO LET THE FULL PUBLIC KNOW WHAT THE BARRIERS DISCUSSIONS.
UM, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR MEETING.
CAN THEY HEAR HER? WE ALLOWING FOR THE MICROPHONE, TALKING TO THE AUDIENCE, WE MOVED THE MICROPHONE TOUR, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO JUST SO PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING, I PUT IT'S FRUSTRATING.
IT'S JUST FRUSTRATING WHEN YOU'RE AT HOME WATCHING AND YOU CAN'T HEAR WHAT THE QUESTION IS.
I HAVE MOVED THE MICROPHONE TO YOU.
I FORGET WHAT THE QUESTION WAS.
WHETHER IT'D BE A PUBLIC ASSET, THERE WILL BE, THERE WILL BE NOTICE OF OUR NEXT MEETING.
SO BE A PUBLIC NOTICE OF OUR NEXT MEETING HAD A QUESTION.
WELL, DOES SHE CONTINUE WITH THE NEXT MEANING? IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO NEGOTIATE OR GO THE NEGOTIATIONS, JUST GOING TO TAKE PLACE.
W WE BELIEVE THAT NEGOTIATIONS, UM, WILL CONTINUE.
UM, HOPEFULLY BETWEEN NOW AND JULY, THERE'LL BE CONTINUED TO GO CREATIONS, BUT JULY WILL BE THE POINT WHERE HOPEFULLY A DECISION WILL BE RENDERED BY THIS NEGOTIATION COMMITTEE.
AND THIS COMMITTEE DOES NOTHING MORE THAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE POWER TO MAKE A DECISION TO AMEND ANY DOCUMENTS.
THEY CAN JUST SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE RECOMMEND, BUT I'LL FOLLOW UP ON JANE'S QUESTION.
WE, AS A COMMITTEE WILL MEET IN PUBLIC YES.
TO FIT AND TALK ABOUT WHATEVER THE BACK AND FORTH IS.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALL MEET ON ZOOM SOMEWHERE WITHOUT YOU KNOWING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I KNOW THIS IS PROBABLY VERY ODD FOR PEOPLE WHO'VE JUST MOVED HERE, BUT I'VE SEEN IT ACTUALLY IT'S LONGER THAN 15 YEARS.
CAUSE I DO REMEMBER WE NEGOTIATED A VERY GOOD AGREEMENT OUT OF VERDIER WHEN THAT DEVELOPER WENT BANKRUPT AND THAT WAS 2009 ISH 10.
SO, UM, IT'S A MEDIATION OF SORT, IT WORKS.
WE CAN ALL SEE WHAT THINGS ARE LIKE NOW VERSUS HOW THEY WERE WRITTEN.
HOW MANY YEARS AGO YOU JUST SAID IT, YOU KNOW, 1999.
SO IT'S SUCH A SHARP COMMITTEE OF PEOPLE WHO DO BUSINESS, WHO LIVE HERE, WHO LOVE THIS TOWN.
AND IT'S JUST A GREAT GROUP TO
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WORK WITH.AND AGAIN, IF IT'S JUST THE, IF NOTHING'S NEGOTIATED AND IT'S JUST A VOTE ON THE REQUEST, WE'LL GO STRAIGHT TO COUNCIL.
IF THERE IS A NEGOTIATION WHERE WE CAN ALL FIND A WIN FOR OUR RESIDENTS FOR THIS COMMUNITY, WHICH THEY ARE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE IN THAT WILL GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE NICE THING ABOUT THIS COMMITTEE IS IF IT GOES OUTSIDE OF THE, THE LIMITS OF TOWN HALL THAT WE HAVE COUNTY COUNCIL INPUT, WE HAVE BUSINESS INPUT.
WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM THIS SIDE OF THE RIVER, THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER AND TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS.
SO IT'S, UH, IT'S UH, IT IT'S ONE OF THE RARE TIMES WHERE A TOWN COMMITTEE, SUCH AS THIS HAS THE ABILITY TO DRAW ON OUTSIDE EXPERTISE.
UM, AT THE NOTE IN EXECUTIVE SECTION, THINGS ARE CONFIDENTIAL.
I ALWAYS REMIND COUNCIL IT AT ALL.
REMIND THIS GROUP OUT AS WELL.
UM, IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? THANK YOU EVERYONE.