May 04, 2022 Town of Bluffton Historic Preservation Commission

ELECTION OF OFFICERS, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE ELECTION OF VICE CHAIR OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION THAT WAS HELD BY EILEEN GALLAGHER.

ANY DISCUSSION CHANGES? UH, ALL IN FAVOR, AYE, AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? ADOPTION OF MINUTES AS WRITTEN

[VII. ELECTION OF OFFICERS]

AND WE DO HAVE AN OPENING HERE ON THAT AS SOMETHING THAT, UH, KATIE, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THAT ROLE IS PLEASE? SO THE VICE CHAIR, UM, ALL THE VICE CHAIR DOES IS IF BRUCE IS NOT IN ATTENDANCE OR IF ONE'S BRUCE IS NO LONGER ON THE COMMISSION OR CHOOSES TO STEP DOWN FROM THE CHAIR POSITION WHEN, UM, THEY WOULD BE THE PERSON WHO WOULD RUN THE MEETING IN HIS ABSENCE.

UM, IF BRUCE CHOOSES NOT TO, IF HIS SCHEDULE, ALL OF A SUDDEN GETS VERY BUSY, UM, HE IS GOING TO GIVE UP THAT POSITION AND THEN POTENTIALLY THEY WOULD STEP INTO THAT ROLE OR, UM, THEY WOULD DO IT IF HE WERE NOT IN ATTENDANCE AT A MEETING, THAT'S IT FOR THE VICE CHAIR, JUST FOR THE LAST CHAIR.

CAN I GET A, UH, LET'S SEE, AM I ABLE TO PUT MY PERSON THAT I WOULD APPOINT TO THAT ON THE TABLE? OR HOW DOES THIS WORK? YOU CAN, IT'S THE SAME.

YOU'RE GONNA, UM, MOVE TO MOVE TO ELECT SOMEONE IS THE EVENTUAL MOTION.

HOWEVER, IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO WANTS TO BE SOMEONE NEEDS TO NOMINATE THEM, IF YOU WANT TO BE, AND NO ONE HAS NOMINATED, YOU TELL SOMEONE AND THEY WILL POTENTIALLY NOMINATE YOU FOR THAT.

SO, UM, IF THERE'S ANYBODY WHO IS, WHO HAS A DESIRE TO BE THE VICE CHAIR, THEY CAN, UM, LET SOMEONE KNOW THAT THEY WANT TO BE NOMINATED FOR THAT POSITION.

AND THEN YOU WOULD VOTE ON IT THE SAME AS THE MOTION.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, IS THERE ANYONE INTERESTED? YEAH, I MEAN, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IF, UH, COMPORT SOME MOVIES, BUT, UH, YEAH, WITH THAT BEING SAID IS ALL RIGHT, THEN I SAY, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, PUT FOUR VOTE.

UH, JESSE, UH, AS VICE CHAIR IS THAT INAPPROPRIATE.

YOU CAN NOMINATE THEM.

SOMEONE WOULD MAKE THE MOTION.

IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S MORE THAN ONE NOMINATION, THEN SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, SPECIFICALLY PICK WHO OUT OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO IT IS.

OTHERWISE YOU, I NOMINATE JESSIE TO BE URGENT.

VICE CHAIR.

IS THERE ANY OTHER NAMES ON THE TABLE? YES, HE WOULD DO A GREAT JOB.

THEREFORE WE'RE LOOKING NOMINATING.

SHOULD WE MAKE A MOTION THEN? DID SHE MAKE A MOTION? UH, DOES SHE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE MOTION, IF THERE'S NO OTHER NOMINATIONS? SO IF YOU COULD REAFFIRM THAT MOTION, CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, GET, HAVE JESSE BE THE VICE CHAIR? HE SOLOMON BEING THE VICE CHAIR.

THE SECOND,

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ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS? ALL IN FAVOR.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? PERFECT.

JESSE IS THE VICE CHAIR.

WELCOME VICE CHAIR.

SECOND POSITION.

THAT IS AN OPENING.

TODAY IS THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION REVIEW COMMITTEE MEMBER.

THIS MEMBER IS PART OF THE THREE MEMBERS SUBCOMMITTEE OF THIS FULL SEVEN MEMBER COMMISSION.

THIS ONE DOES HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE RESPONSIBILITY WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, ACTIVE DURING THE MONTH.

SO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETS EVERY MONDAY AT 4:00 PM.

UM, IN ADVANCE OF THOSE MEETINGS, THERE ARE, UM, THE APPLICATIONS THAT ARE FOR CONCEPTUAL REVIEW GETS SENT OUT TO THE HPRC MEMBERS, WHICH INCLUDES MEMBERS FROM ALL THE DEPARTMENTS OF STAFF, BUFORD, JASPER WATER AND SEWER AUTHORITY, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE, UM, POST OFFICE, ET CETERA, AS WELL AS THE THREE MEMBERS FROM THIS COMMISSION.

IT IS THE CHAIR AND TWO AT-LARGE MEMBERS.

SO IT AT PRESENT, UM, BRUCE AND JESSIE BOTH SERVE ON THE HPRC.

THERE'S ONE ADDITIONAL SPACE OPEN THAT ELAINE WAS, WAS FILLING BEFORE HER DEPARTURE.

UM, FOR THE PORTION THAT REQUIRES THE MOST EFFORT TOWARDS THIS MEETING.

ONE IS THE ATTENDANCE AT THOSE FOUR O'CLOCK MEETINGS ON MONDAY, ANY CHANCE THAT YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY MAKE IT, THE OTHER IS PROVIDING COMMENTS.

SO THE COMMENTS ARE BASED ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLANS, WHAT YOU ALL SEE AS THE FINAL PLAN, WHICH MEANS THOSE COMMENTS THAT ARE USUALLY ATTACHMENT FIVE, UM, SOMETIMES ATTACHMENT SIX IN YOUR PACKETS THAT HAVE ALL OF THE COMMENTS.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FROM SOMEONE ON THE HPRC, THEY GO THROUGH IT BASED ON THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE AND PROVIDE THOSE CODE SECTIONS BACK TO US, UM, TO HELP WITH THE FEEDBACK ON THAT, BECAUSE WE NEED MORE SETS OF EYES.

IT ALSO GIVES THE APPLICANT AN IDEA OF WHAT THE COMMISSION THINKS ABOUT CERTAIN TOPICS.

SO THEY'RE HERE FOR THE DISCUSSION DURING THOSE FOUR O'CLOCK MEETINGS.

UM, IF THEY'RE PROPOSING A MATERIAL, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT IS, THAT IS SEEN OFTEN OR A CONFIGURATION, THAT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT IN THE ORDINANCE AS PERMITTED.

IT DOES NOT GIVE THEM A VOTED MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION, BUT IT DOES GIVE THEM AN IDEA OF WHAT SOME OF THOSE MEMBERS THINK.

SO TH THE HPRC HAS NO VOTING RIGHTS BECAUSE IT'S NOT A QUORUM.

UM, THE HPRC, AS YOU WERE STATING, UH, THE COMMENTS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR TYPICALLY SENT OUT TWO WEEKS PRIOR TO IT APPEARING ON HPRC.

IF I RECALL 15 BUSINESS DAYS IS WHAT OURS IS.

SOMETIMES IT'S ABOUT 13, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY APPLICATIONS COME IN, WE CAN ONLY GET THEM PROCESSED, UM, AS FAST AS WE CAN, BUT, UM, ABOUT 15 BUSINESS DAYS FROM WHEN THEY ARE SUBMITTED TO US.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID IN THE INFORMATION, IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE THEMSELVES? I GUESS I DON'T WANT TO NOMINATE MYSELF.

I WANT TO SAY THAT I CAN NOT DO IT.

I WANT TO JUST WITH KIDS AND SCOUTING AND SPORTS, I CAN'T COMMIT TO EVERY, EVERY MONDAY WE'RE OUT OF TOWN QUITE A BIT.

SO UP TO EVERY MONDAY, EITHER I CAN COMMIT TO EVERY MONDAY I CAN COMMIT TO EVERY MINUTE I NOMINATE MARY GWYNN'S VERY GOOD.

SO THEREFORE, ANY ANYONE ELSE WHEN HE LIKED TO BE ON THE HBR SAYING, SPEAK UP, PLEASE? YES.

ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO GET A LITTLE MORE EXPERIENCED ON THIS THING? SO THEREFORE I GUESS I NEED A MOTION MADE OFFICIALLY.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ELECT MARY AS OUR NEWEST MEMBER OF HPRC.

UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? WELL, THANK YOU, MARY.

PERFECT.

I LOOK FORWARD TO ADDING YOU TO THE LIST AND GETTING YOUR FEEDBACK ON THOSE APPLICATIONS.

UM, LET'S SEE.

PUBLIC COMMENTS, NOT ON THE AGENDA, I GUESS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT TIME WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT I THINK IT'S IN IT IS IMPORTANT.

DO WE HAVE A SCHEDULE OF TIME WHEN WE, I WAS JUST GOING TO MENTION IT AT THE DISCUSSION, BUT WE CAN DO IT RIGHT NOW.

UM, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION SYMPOSIUM, IT IS MAY HAPPY PRESERVATION MONTH GUYS.

THIS IS YOUR MONTH TO SHINE.

UM, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION SYMPOSIUM IS ON MAY 19TH.

ALL OF THE INFORMATION IS ON THE FACEBOOK PAGE.

IT IS IN THE MEDIA RELEASE THAT WENT OUT VIA EMAIL.

IT IS ON THE, UM, POSTER THAT HAS BEEN SET AT ALL OF YOUR SEATS, AS WELL AS THE BACK OF THOSE LITTLE, UM, THIS PLACE MATTERS SIGNS.

I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO GO FIND SOMEWHERE IN TOWN THAT MATTERS, TAKE THE PICTURE WITH THAT SIGN, SEND IT IN IF YOU CAN, IT IS NOT MANDATORY, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS A LOT OF FUN AND IT SHOWS YOUR FACES AND THE FACT THAT YOU ARE HYPE ABOUT PRESERVATION, I JUST USE HYPE IN A PUBLIC MEETING.

SO THERE'S THAT.

UM, BUT WE ARE EXCITED.

WE HOPE YOU ALL WILL ATTEND.

UM, THE PRESERVATION SYMPOSIUM ON THE 19TH.

I KNOW THAT GLENN HAS A, ANOTHER MEETING DURING THE MONTH OF MAY FOR, UM, THE OWNERS OF THE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES, AS WELL AS INTRODUCING THE GRANT PROGRAM THAT THE TOWN IS JUST STARTED.

UM, AND, UM, AND WE'VE HEARD BACK FROM SEVERAL OF YOU ALREADY FOR THAT SIX O'CLOCK HERE.

SO THAT IS MAY 12TH.

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THE SYMPOSIUM IS MAY 19TH, WHICH IS, UM, YEAH, EVERYONE'S INVITED TO THAT MEETING THAT YOU'RE HOLDING, CORRECT? YES, YES.

SO THAT WILL BE GOOD.

I THINK FOR ALL OF US, IF WE CAN ATTEND FOR THAT INFORMATION PROVIDED AND THEN THESE BY THE WAY ARE VERY, VERY GOOD.

AND IT JUST ALLOWS A PERSON THAT LOVES THIS AREA TO EVEN LOVE IT EVEN MORE.

WHEN YOU HEAR THE, UH, PEOPLE FROM HISTORY HERE, TALK ABOUT WHAT BLUFFTON WAS AND HOW IT GOT TO BE.

AND IT'S JUST REALLY WHAT A WONDERFUL PLACE FOR YOU.

YES, THIS YEAR'S IS A LITTLE BIT LESS TECHNICAL THAN LAST YEAR'S.

LAST YEAR'S WAS AMAZING WITH MATTERS.

TALKING ABOUT THE SPIRE POPE CARRIAGE HOUSE AND HOW THEY MADE THE PRESERVATION PLAN FOR THIS.

UM, BECAUSE LAST YEAR WAS ON THE MORE TECHNICAL SIDE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WERE SOME LESS TECHNICAL INFORMATION COMING AT YOU THIS YEAR FOR THE SYMPOSIUM.

SO WE HAVE, UM, AND HAYWARD MICHAEL REYNOLDS, WHO RUNS THE, UM, THE, WHAT DOES IT MEAN? UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE FROM BLUFFTON WHEN I WANTED TO SAY THIS PLACE MATTERS IN BOSTON, BUT THAT WAS INCORRECT.

UM, YOU KNOW, YOUR WIN FROM BLUFFTON WHEN FACEBOOK PAGE, AS WELL AS, UM, BOBBY GOUSHA, WHO OWNS AND OPERATES THE STORE OVER ON CALHOUN STREET.

SO ALL THREE OF THEM ARE, ARE PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE SEEN ON THIS, ON THE, AT FESTIVALS AND IN THE STREET ALL THE TIME.

SO, UM, IT SHOULD BE A VERY INTERESTING PRESENTATION AND JUST FYI TEST IS THIS WEEKEND, ALSO THE FASTEST THIS WEEKEND TOO.

SO GET OUT THERE, SEE, THANKS, I'LL BE SERVING BEERS, COME BY TO SERVE YOUR BEER.

THE ROTARY PUTS THAT OUT ANYWAY.

UH, THOSE ARE ALL GOOD THINGS, POSITIVE THINGS.

AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS AND

[X.1. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by Nicholas, Rob and Michelle Nurnberg for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness to allow the construction a new one-story single-family residence of approximately 815 SF and a Carriage House of approximately 250 SF to be located at 32 Pritchard Street, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood General - HD. (COFA-09-22-15823) (Staff- Katie Peterson)]

WE'RE MOVING ON TO THE NEW BUSINESS AND IT LOOKS LIKE KATIE, YOU'RE THE NEW BUSINESS PERSON.

I AM THE NEW BIRD BUSINESS PRESENTER TODAY.

SO THIS IS A, AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE OF APPROXIMATELY 815 SQUARE FEET AND A CARRIAGE HOUSE OF APPROXIMATELY 250 SQUARE FEET TO BE LOCATED AT 32 PRITCHARD STREET.

IT'S HERE IN THE OLD TOWN, BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT AND ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL HD.

YOU CAN SEE IT'S SURROUNDED ON ALL SIDES BY THAT NICE ORANGE COLOR.

UM, SO IT'S NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL.

SO IS THE PROPERTY ON ALL SIDES OF IT? UM, TABBY ROADS IS OR TABBY SHELL ROAD, WHICH IS THE TABBY ROADS DEVELOPMENT IS LOCATED JUST NORTH OF IT HERE.

UM, AND THEN WE'RE SITTING IN TOWN HALL, WHICH IS SOMEWHERE DOWN AROUND THE WORD PRESERVATION AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN.

THE NURNBERG ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT AS THE APPLICANTS TONIGHT.

UM, SO WHEN WE GET TO THAT PART OF THE PRESENTATION, THEY ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF IT.

THEY ARE THE OWNERS AND APPLICANT FOR THIS PROJECT.

THE SITE PLAN IS RIGHT HERE.

SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS A LARGE TREE AT THE FRONT OF THE, MY MOUSE IS DEAD.

UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A LARGE TREE TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.

IT DOES HAVE A NAIL SET IN IT TO, UM, HAVE THE ELEVATION MARKERS.

SO YOU CAN SEE THAT CALL OUT ON THE SCREEN IN FRONT OF YOU, THE STRUCTURE, WHICH IS A COTTAGE STYLE HOME, UM, IS POSITIONED TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE STREET WITH A, UM, CARPORT THAT EXCEEDS THE SIZE FOR A GARDEN STRUCTURE.

SO IT HAS BEEN CONSIDERED A CARRIAGE HOUSE FOR THE REVIEW HERE, LOCATED TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.

UM, THERE IS THE DITCH THAT RUNS BEHIND THIS PROPERTY AND THERE IS A SEAWALL THAT IS IN PLACE.

YOU'LL SEE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN OR AT LEAST THE LOCATION OF THAT WALL, THE FLOOR PLANS, I'VE GOT THE, UM, THE ROOF PLAN FOR THE CARRIAGE HOUSE, UM, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY HAVE A FLOOR, IT WILL BE THE DRIVEWAY UNDERNEATH IT.

SO, UM, YOU CAN SEE THE PEERS THAT ARE PROPOSED HERE.

UM, SO IT'S ASSEMBLANCE OF A FLOOR PLAN AND THEN THE FLOOR PLAN FOR THE HOUSE.

IT HAS A PARTIAL FRONT PORCH HERE.

UM, IT RUNS ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF THE, THE FRONT THERE.

AND THEN THERE IS A SCREENED IN PORCH ON THE BACK AS WELL AS A STOOP ON THE RIGHT SIDE, THIS LAUNDRY AREA, AS WELL AS THE, UM, STOOP STEPS DOWN A BIT FROM THE REST OF THE FOUNDATION, AS WELL AS THIS PORCH HERE, WHICH STEPS DOWN ABOUT, I THINK IT WAS FOUR INCHES, UM, FROM THE REST OF THE FOUNDATION AS WELL.

SO YOU CAN SEE THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

THIS IS THE FRONT AND REAR ELEVATION.

SO AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THAT PARTIAL THE FRONT PORCH HERE WITH THE SHED ROOF OVER IT.

UM, THE REAR ELEVATION, YOU CAN SEE THAT CARRIAGE HOUSE STRUCTURE.

THAT AGAIN IS A CARPORT.

UM, IT'S CLASSIFIED AS A CARRIAGE HOUSE, BUT IT IS A CARPORT STRUCTURE TOWARDS THE BACK HERE WITH THE SCREENED PORCH.

YOU CAN SEE THAT IT, UM, DOES STEP DOWN JUST A BIT FROM THE FINISHED FLOOR HEIGHT OF THE REST OF THAT HOUSE.

UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT BEST WHERE THE TRIM BOARD IS THERE BELOW IT.

SO IT DOES STEP DOWN A BIT OR THE RIGHT AND LEFT ELEVATIONS.

THE TOP ONE IS THE RIGHT ELEVATION.

SO THIS IS WHAT YOU'D SEE IF YOU WERE WALKING OUT OF THE TABBY ROADS DEVELOPMENT TOWARDS TOWN HALL.

AND IF YOU WERE WALKING FROM TOWN HALL TOWARDS THE TABBY ROADS DEVELOPMENT, YOU'D SEE THE RIGHT ELEVATION, WHICH IS HERE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN.

UM, REALLY YOU WON'T SEE COMPLETELY ALL OF THOSE THINGS THOUGH, UM, BECAUSE OF THE LANDSCAPING THAT WILL BE IN PLACE THERE THIS LOT DOES HAVE A GRADE CHANGE THAT THAT'S FROM THE FRONT OF THE LOT, TO THE BACK OF THE LOT BECAUSE OF THAT DITCH AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.

SO, UM, THE CARRIAGE HOUSE DOES STEP DOWN A BIT FROM THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE

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AT THE, THE FINISHED FLOOR HEIGHT OF THAT.

AGAIN, I USE THE QUOTATION MARKS BECAUSE THERE'S NOT REALLY A FLOOR TO THIS, UM, CARPORT STRUCTURE.

I HAVE MADE A BEAUTIFUL COLLAGE OF ALL OF THE SECTIONS IN DETAILS FOR YOU HERE.

IF YOU NEED TO ZOOM IN ON ANY OF THOSE, LET ME KNOW, AND I WILL DO SO FOR THE WINDOWS DOORS, THE STAIRS ON THE FRONT, AS WELL AS THE, UM, FORGE SECTION AND THE SLAB DETAIL ON THIS ONE, WE HAVE THE WALL SECTIONS, CORNER BOARDS, WATER TABLES, AND THE WINDOW DETAIL FOR THOSE SECTIONS.

THEY ARE ALL IN YOUR PACKET TOO.

SO YOU CAN HAVE THEM IN THE FORM THAT THEY WERE PROVIDED TO THE TOWN OF LOCKTON.

I TRY AND FIT AS MUCH ON A SCREEN AS I CAN HERE IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.

SO THEY HAVE ALL OF THE, THE MATERIALS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE INSTALLING.

THERE IS AN EXISTING 24 INCH FIVE OAK.

THAT WAS THE ONE THAT HAD THE PIN IN IT ON THE SITE PLAN THAT I POINTED OUT AS WELL AS SOME EXISTING TREES THAT ARE TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE LOT HERE.

SO IF YOU ARE WALKING FROM TOWN HALL TOWARDS TABBY ROADS, WHAT YOU WILL SEE IS NOT EXACTLY WHAT IS SHOWN ON THE ELEVATIONS, BECAUSE YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO REALLY SEE THE CAR PORT FROM THAT SIDE, ESPECIALLY AS OTHER STRUCTURES GET PROPOSED ON THE LOT, THE NEIGHBORING LOT.

THEY DO HAVE A LIVING FENCE THAT IS PROPOSED ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE.

AND THEY'VE GOT THAT, UM, POST AND WIRE LIVING FENCE DETAIL RIGHT HERE, AS WELL AS THE SERVICE YARD DETAIL.

THE SERVICE YARD IS PROPOSED AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE, THE SERVICE YARD HERE AND THAT'S WHERE ALL THOSE MECHANICALS GO.

THERE IS NO SERVICE YARD FOR THE CARRIAGE HOUSE, BECAUSE THERE IS NO FLOOR OR, UM, UTILITIES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, THAT WON'T TIE INTO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE OR THE PROPOSED PRIMARY STRUCTURE.

I'M SORRY, I RAN THROUGH THAT VERY FAST AND I'M HAPPY TO GO BACK TO WHATEVER YOU NEED, BUT I'D LIKE TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT AS THE HPC YOU CONSIDER THE EIGHT REVIEW CRITERIA THAT ARE SET FORTH IN SECTION 3.183 OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.

WHEN YOU CONSIDER AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TOWN.

HIS STAFF HAS FOUND THAT WITH, UM, I BELIEVE IT IS THESE NINE CONDITIONS.

UM, THEY COULD MEET THE INTENT OF THE CRITERIA IN 3 18, 3, AND, UM, COULD BE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS.

I'D BE HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THOSE.

UM, AGAIN, THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICATION.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD BEST LIKE TO BROACH THAT.

IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S ALWAYS GOOD.

UM, JUST THE BODY, THIS BODY AGREE THAT IT'S GOOD FOR HER TO GO THROUGH THE ITEMS FIRST.

YEAH, JUST ASK A QUICK CLARIFYING QUESTION.

IS IT, UM, AT THE BEGINNING IT SAYS THE SINGLE STORY, FAMILY BUILDING AND CARRIAGE HOUSE IS THE CARRIAGE HOUSE, THE CAR PORT.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, OKAY.

IT EXCEEDS THE FOOTPRINT FOR A GARDEN STRUCTURE, SO IT HAS TO BE CLASSIFIED AS A CA A CARRIAGE HOUSE.

BUT IF THE CAR IS THE CARPET, WHEN YOU'RE REFERRING TO IT LATER ON, YES.

IT'S A, IT'S ONE IN THE SAME CAR PORT CARRIAGE HOUSE.

SAME TIME.

HOW DO WE WANT, WE WANT THE APPLICANT TO, IT'S UP TO YOU.

UM, DOES THE APPLICANT WANT TO SEE THAT WE DON'T HAVE MIKE'S OUT? SO WE'RE GOING TO, I'LL USE THIS MIC.

MAYBE I CAN GO THROUGH ALL OF THE ITEMS. AND THEN, UM, YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS ON THE ONE THAT YOU HAVE.

HOW ABOUT THAT? OKAY.

SO THE FIRST ONE IS ADMINISTRATIVE.

UM, A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT IS REQUIRED AS THERE ARE TREES THAT ARE LARGER THAN 14 INCHES IN DIAMETER AT BREAST HEIGHT.

THAT IS SOMETHING YOU SEE ON ALMOST EVERY ONE.

THE SECOND ONE IS THAT A TON OF LEFT-HAND ENCROACHMENT PERMIT IS REQUIRED.

UM, IT HAS TO BE SUBMITTED THROUGH OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE RICHARD STREET IS A TOWN OWNED STREET.

SO FOR THE DRIVEWAY, UM, IT REQUIRES AN ENCROACHMENT PERMIT BEFORE THE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE.

IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.

SO IS THAT ACTUALLY A NEIGHBOR ENCROACHMENTS? NO, NO.

IT'S FOR THE DRIVEWAY ENTREPRENEUR STREET, BECAUSE IT'S A TON ON PROPERTY.

IT'S ALSO STANDARD ROOMS, THE STREET OUT OF BLUFFTON.

THE THIRD ONE IS THAT THE ELEVATIONS WOULD NEED TO, UH, I'M SORRY.

THE ELEVATION FOR THE CARRIAGE HOUSE WOULD NEED TO BE PROVIDED IF IT WERE TO BE PROPOSED TO BEING CLOSED, WHICH INCLUDES A WOOD SWING STYLE GARAGE DOOR.

THE APPLICATION ITSELF LISTED THE GARAGE DOORS AS BEING SWING STYLE, CARRIAGE DOORS.

UM, THE ELEVATION SHOW THAT THERE'S NO ENCLOSURE OF THAT STRUCTURE AT ALL.

SO WE JUST NEED A LITTLE MORE CLARIFICATION OR ELEVATIONS OF THAT IF IT IS TO BE PROPOSED.

SO ARE YOU SAYING THIS BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE PLANS THAT MADE YOU LEAD TO BELIEVE THAT OR SAYING THIS BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE PLANS THAT MADE YOU LEAD TO BELIEVE THAT OR THE APPLICATION.

SO DOES THAT NEED TO BE CLEANED UP THEN? YES.

IF IT IS NOT TO BE PROPOSED, IT WOULD NEED TO BE REMOVED FROM THE APPLICATION.

IF IT IS TO BE PROPOSED, I'D NEED TO SEE ELEVATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MET THE, SO WHEN MAKING THE MOTION, DO WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT JUST HAS TO BE, THE APPLICATION NEEDS TO BE REVISED? DO THEY NEED TO REVISE THE APPLICATION OR ARE WE GOOD WITH JUST STATING THIS? I NEED IT IN WRITING.

OR IF THEY WANT TO SUBMIT THE REVISED SHEET FROM THE APPLICATION THOUGH.

SO IT EITHER IN A SEPARATE EMAIL

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SO WHILE MAKING A MOTION, WE NEED TO MAKE NOTE OF THAT.

THE NEXT ONE IS THAT THE, UM, SITE GRADING AND DRAINAGE PLAN, THIS IS A COMMENT FROM OUR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT TEAM.

UM, THE THERE'S A RAIN GARDEN THAT IS SHOWN AS A RAIN GARDEN ON THE, UM, THE SITE AND DRAINAGE PLANS, BUT THE DETAIL FOR IT THAT IS SHOWN ON AN ADDITIONAL PAGE NOTES.

IT IS A BIORETENTION AREA THAT WOULD BE DRY.

UM, IT'S A DIFFERENT DETAILS.

SO IT JUST NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED, WHICH ONE THEY'RE PROPOSING.

EITHER ONE COULD FUNCTION PROPERLY.

IT JUST NEEDS TO ALIGN.

SO DOES THIS PROPERTY REQUIRE THIS RAIN GARDEN? IS THAT WHY YOU ALL PROPERTIES REQUIRE THE STORMWATER TO BE MANAGED ONSITE? TYPICALLY WITH SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, THEY SIGN A AFFIDAVIT THAT GOES TO THE, UM, THAT SPEAKS TO THE STORMWATER.

IF THEY'RE PROPOSING A RAIN GARDEN, THEN THE DETAILED NEEDS TO MATCH IT.

IF THEY'RE PROPOSING THE DRY RETENTION, THEN, UM, THE, THE SITE PLAN JUST NEEDS TO BE UPDATED BY THEIR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT.

WE SPOKE WITH THE GENTLEMAN, HE THOUGHT HE IT'S HIS OPINION THAT THOSE ARE ONE IN THE SAME.

SO HE, HE WAS GOING TO CALL SOMEBODY AT THE TOWN AND GET CLARIFICATION.

UM, W YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAPPY.

WE DON'T HAVE ROOM FOR WHAT HIS DETAIL SAYS IN TERMS OF LENGTH, IN WET IN FOR A BORROWER RETENTION AREA.

BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HOPING FOR A RAIN GARDEN, YOU KNOW, INDENTATION WITH VEGETATION ACQUIRED.

SO WE, WE NEED A LITTLE GUIDANCE ON EXACTLY WHAT NEEDS TO BE CLEAR.

CAUSE HE SAYS HIS CALL OUT MEETS THE D HECK REQUIREMENTS AND BIO RETENTION AND RAIN GARDENS SUPPOSEDLY ARE THE SAME ONE IN THE SAME.

SO HE NEEDS CLARIFICATION FROM THE BOARD OR THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT TOO.

SO HE KNOWS HOW TO UPDATE THAT, THAT WOULD BASICALLY BE USED FROM STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.

IS THAT CORRECT? LYDIA AND ANDREA, LYDIA DAHOMEY AND ANDREA BERRY AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT CAN ASSIST THEM WITH GETTING THAT UP TO DATE.

SO YEAH, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF ALL THAT.

SO A MOTION NEEDS TO BE JUST STATING THAT BY STORMWATER.

IT CAN BE STATED EXACTLY AS IT IS.

IT'S WRITTEN IN THE STAFF REPORT.

I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD TO THAT THE, UH, I THINK THE MAIN, I MEAN, I THINK I GET WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED, BUT THAT, THAT DETAIL, UM, THAT VIRAL RETENTION DETAIL SHOWS IT BEING CONNECTED TO A DRAINAGE STRUCTURE WITH LIKE THE OVERFLOW.

SO, UM, I WOULD JUST THINK LIKE IF IT'S A DEPRESSION THAT YOU'RE DOING THAT, THEN WE'LL, THAT'S FILTERING THE WATER THAT THEN WE'LL GO DOWN, UM, WHERE THOSE TREES, WHERE WE'RE AT NATURALLY, I THINK, UH, THAT WOULD BE FINE.

BUT WHAT SHOWN ON HERE IS THAT IT'S, UH, UH, FRENCH STRAIN THAT'S BEING CONNECTED TO THE DRAINAGE DRAINAGE SYSTEM WITHIN THE DETAIL, WITHIN THE DETAIL.

IT SHOWS IT BEING CONNECTED AND, UM, IT HAS LIKE AN OVERFLOW CA CATCH BASIN.

SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT, UM, CAUGHT IT.

UM, AND THEY HA I MEAN, THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF LIKE STANDARD DETAILS FROM LIKE CLEMSON EXTENSION THAT HE COULD, THAT COULD PROBABLY BE PULLED IF THAT'S NOT WHAT, UH, IS BEING PROPOSED TO THE LANDSCAPE GUY.

SO THANK YOU.

AND THERE IS ONE JESSIE THERE'S ANOTHER DETAIL OR THE RAIN GARDEN IS A CROSS SECTION THAT DOES NOT SHOW THE OVERFLOW OR THE ALUMNIS.

I'M WONDERING IF THEY DIDN'T SEE THAT AND JUST SAY, HEY, SHE'S ONE OF THESE DETAILS, BUT YEAH, I THINK I'M CLARIFYING THAT AREA IN MY MIND.

SO IF IT IS THE DRAWING SAID PER AND I CALLED OUT THAT I'M TALKING TO MIKE, PLEASE.

SO IF THE DRAWING LABELED IT AND SAID PER AND CALLED OUT THE CORRECT DETAIL, WOULD THAT SUFFICE VERY WELL COULD, UM, IT'S GOING TO BE A PART OF THAT REVISED APPLICATION.

IT COULD BE JUST AS MUCH AS WALKING THROUGH DETAIL IS NOT PERTINENT BECAUSE TO ME, IT LOOKS TO ME THAT YOU'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT DETAILS.

ONE FOUR BY A RETENTION SYSTEM THAT HAS DRAINAGE AND AN OVERFLOW.

AND ONE, FOUR, IT'S ALSO CALLED BUYER RETENTION, BUT IN PARENTHESES RAIN GARDEN, IT DOES NOT APPEAR TO HAVE THE ADDITIONAL PIPING AND OVERFLOW ONE SIMPLE ONE INVOLVES PIPING AND OVERFLOWS.

GIVEN YOUR CALCULATIONS IN YOUR SITE, I'M THINKING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO LEAN TOWARDS THE RAIN GARDEN.

I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOUR CLARIFICATION NEEDS TO OCCUR.

RICE.

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SO THE NEXT ITEM ON THERE IS THAT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN WILL NEED TO BE UPDATED TO PROVIDE THE CANOPY COVERAGE CALCULATIONS, WHICH MUST BE A MINIMUM OF 75% OF THE LOT COVERAGE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE MATURE CANOPY, EVERYTHING.

UM, SO, UM, I, I CAN'T DO THAT.

SO IT NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED.

IT NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED ON THERE SPECIFICALLY THE CALCULATION.

UM, SO THAT, AS IT IS SHOWN IS TRYING TO KEEP THEM FROM HAVING FEEDBACK HERE.

SO IT'S ALL OF THE AREA OF THE DEAD LOT, NOT INCLUDING THIS.

SO IF YOU'VE GOT THIS PIECE, SO THIS TREE HERE, YOU COULD COUNT ANY OF THIS PORTION HERE THAT DOESN'T OVERLAP THE ROOF AND DOESN'T GO OFF THE PROPERTY AS PART OF THAT PERCENTAGE.

SO THIS AREA HERE ALL COUNTS FOR YOUR WHOLE SITE, IT'S ALL OF THE AREA.

SO YOU CAN DO THE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE LOT MINUS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THOSE ROOFTOPS.

AND THEN ALL OF THE AREA THAT'S NOT OVER THE ROOFTOP OR OFF THE PROPERTY COUNTS TOWARDS THAT 75% CANOPY.

UM, AND I CAN HELP YOU SHOW YOU A BETTER DIAGRAM OF THAT.

UM, OKAY.

THE NEXT ITEM IS THAT THE CARRIAGE HOUSE STRUCTURE MUST BE MOVED SO THAT NO PORTION OF THE STRUCTURE IS CLOSER THAN THREE FEET FROM THE REAR INSIDE PROPERTY LINES.

SO HERE, THE, UM, THE SETBACKS FOR A CARRIAGE HOUSE ARE FIVE FEET FROM PROPERTY LINES.

HOWEVER, IN NO CASE, SHALL THE UN UN OCCUPIABLE, A PERTINENT SAYS BE CLOSER THAN THREE FEET TO THOSE PROPERTY LINES.

AND THAT INCLUDES EAVES ROOF OVERHANGS, UM, PORCHES, STAIRS, CHIMNEYS, ANYTHING THAT ATTACHES TO THE STRUCTURE, BUT IS NOT, UM, THE STRUCTURE WALL ITSELF.

SO THE STRUCTURE IS MEASURED TO THAT CLOSEST STRUCTURAL COMPONENT.

I'M GOING TO USE THAT WORD A FEW MORE TIMES, STRUCTURE, STRUCTURE, STRUCTURE, GUYS, BUT THE COLUMN IS THAT FIVE FEET, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST THREE FEET FROM THE CLOSEST PORTION OF THAT STRUCTURE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.

SO THAT ONE CORNER IS THE OVERHANG.

SO THERE ARE TWO.

ONE OF THE BANKS WAS THE CORNERS.

AND I LABELED IT IN THE STAFF REPORT, BUT I BELIEVE THE REAR IS TWO AND A HALF FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.

AND, UH, THE SIDE IS ONE FOOT OR VICE VERSA OPPOSITE.

SO THE SIDE IS ONE FOOT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE REAR IS TWO AND A HALF FEET FROM THE POVERTY LINE.

SO IT JUST NEEDS TO BE SHIFTED THREE FEET FORWARD AND FOUR FEET TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO MEET THAT.

THE CLOSEST PORTION OF THE I'M SORRY, I CAN DO MATH TOO FROM THE LEFT AND HALF FROM THE REAR.

THREE FEET, REGARDLESS OF HOW THAT MATH ADDS UP THREE FEET FROM EACH ONE.

SO, AND IT DOES APPEAR THAT THE OVERHANG HAS SHOWN WAY BIG ON THE SITE PLAN COMPARED TO THE WALL SECTION.

SO YOU MAY BE PRETTY CLOSE TO THE THREE BEAT ANYWAY.

I NEED TO, I DO NEED TO CHECK.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOUR, UH, THE OVERHANG CAN'T BE CLOSER THAN THREE FEET.

I'M HERE IS SHOWING A HUGE OVERHANG, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE WALL SECTIONS.

IT'S NOT DIMENSIONED AT ALL, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S A BIG OVERHANG, 16 INCHES PROBABLY.

I, I DO NEED TO CHECK THAT.

I THINK YOU MIGHT BE RIGHT.

UM, BUT THAT REQUIRES A REVISION.

DOES THAT REQUIRE A RESUBMISSION? IF I, IF I ADJUST THE OVERHANG ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, SO IT HAS TO MEET THE REQUIREMENT.

SO BY CHANGING YOUR DRAWING APPROPRIATELY, YES.

AS LONG AS IT, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT DRAWING.

WE HAVE TO HAVE THE DRAWING ON HAND SO THAT IF ANYTHING IS REVIEWED, IT'S LIKE, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE, YOU DIDN'T DO IT.

SO, BUT THE TOWN HAS TO HAVE THAT DRAWING APPROPRIATELY.

SO ROB, IF, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE SHOWING LIKE A HUGE OVERHANG, IF YOU ONLY DO A 16 INCH OVERHANG, YOU'RE GOING TO BE BETTER.

YOU'RE GOING TO ALREADY BE YOU'RE THREE FEET AWAY.

SEE, THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO.

DOES THAT CAUSE ANY, RATHER THAN MOVE THE POSTS JUST SHORTEN THE OVERHEAD IS THAT I THINK IT'S JUST DRAWN ON YOUR ROUTE PLAN, TO BE HONEST, AS LONG AS YOUR ROOF, AS LONG AS IT'S MEETING WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.

COVERAGE AND ALL OF THE THINGS.

IT DOES REQUIRE A RESUBMITTAL, BUT OTHER ITEMS IN IT'S REQUIRED TO PUT THE CANOPY

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SO IT CAN BE INCLUDED IN THAT PRE SUBMITTED SET OF DRAWINGS.

SHOULD THE CHIPS DO IT FOR VISIT? OKAY, GOOD, GOOD.

UM, THE NEXT ITEM IS THE, UM, PLANS DON'T SHOW RAILINGS ON THE, AND HANDRAILS FOR THE STAIRS ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PORCH AND THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE STOOP.

BUT THEY DO APPEAR TO BE MORE THAN 30 INCHES.

SO THEY WOULD NEED TO BE INCLUDED ON THAT.

UM, IT IS LIKELY THAT IT'S THE SAME DETAIL AS THE ONES FOR THE FRONT PORCH, IF THEY ARE EXCEEDING THAT 30 INCHES BECAUSE OF THE SLOPE OF THIS LOT.

UM, I DON'T REALLY SEE A WAY THAT THEY'RE NOT OVER 30 INCHES.

UM, SO IT'LL JUST NEED TO SHOW UP ON THOSE ELEVATIONS, WHICH ARE, UM, THIS PORCH HERE, UNLESS IT HAS SAFETY GUARDS BEHIND THE SCREEN, BUT IF IT'S OVER 30, IT WILL NEED TO HAVE SOME SORT OF SAFETY CAUTION THERE.

AND THEN THE RIGHT ELEVATION HERE DOES NOT WORK STUFF.

I TRIED EVERY TIME GUYS ABOUT THE STUPID CONCERN OF WHY, BECAUSE YOUR ELEVATIONS ARE SHOWING THAT STOOP COMING OUT ONLY ON THE SIDE ON NUMEROUS, NUMEROUS DRAWINGS, YOU'RE SHOWING THE OLD DESIGN.

SO THOSE ALL HAVE TO BE CLEANED UP SINCE YOU WERE.

SO TO CLARIFY, TO CLARIFY, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE STOOP ON THE RIGHT ELEVATION? JUST BELOW THE DOOR? YES.

AND YOU HAVEN'T DRAWN ON THE ELEVATION PROPERLY, BUT LOOKING AT SOME OF THE OTHER DRAWINGS, SUCH AS THIS ONE, I THINK IT WAS PAGE ONE.

YOU'RE STILL SHOWING THAT THE STOOP IS OUTSIDE.

DID YOU LOWER IT IN THAT LAUNDRY ROOM AREA? SO YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE A HANDRAIL AND WHAT'S HIS GOAL IS MY SON'S GOING TO BE BACK.

WE'RE A GOAL IS TO HAVE NOTHING MORE THAN LIKE A 12 INCH HIGH STOOP.

SO WE, WE HAVE, UH, LOWERED IN THE FOUNDATION, UH, KINDA LIKE A MUDROOM, BUT I, WE COULDN'T LOWER ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, WE LOWERED IT SO THAT WE WERE GOING TO PUT TWO STEPS INTERNAL.

WELL, IT COULDN'T LOWER ENOUGH STUFF IF THIS DOOR WAS RIGHT AT GRADE.

AND ALSO THE ELEVATION KIND OF SHOWS THAT IT'S IN THE DOOR LOOKED LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE INDENTED, BUT A FLOOR PLAN PLANTED IT'S FLUSH.

IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE FLUSH.

BUT I MEAN, IF, IF YOU, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO LOWER IT DOWN TO LESS THAN A 30 INCHES, KATY, 30, 30 INCHES, BY STEPPING IT DOWN FROM THE INSIDE, THEN YOU WOULD NOT NEED THE HAND RAIL.

CORRECT.

AND THAT, THAT WAS A POINT OF CONFUSION.

SO THE HAND RAIL, YOUR, YOU WERE ASKING FOR ONE AT THIS DOOR AND THERE'S MORE THAN TWO, IS IT JOSH? AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG HERE.

TWO FOOT RISES, CORRECT.

IT REQUIRES THE HANDRAIL.

IF YOU RAISE YOUR FOOT TWICE TO STEP UP.

SO ONE FROM GROUND TO STAIR STAIR TO INSIDE THEN REQUIRES THE HANDRAIL THREE RISERS ARE MORE POP QUIZ FOR YOU.

AND YOU SAID IN A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WAY, THREE WATT, THREE ROGERS OR MORE, BUT IT IS A LITTLE BIT TRICKY LOOKING AT THE EXTERIOR ELEVATION.

IT DOES KIND OF LOOK LIKE THAT DOORS AND SET, BUT I DON'T, I THINK IT'S TAKEN ME A SECOND ROUND MY HEAD AROUND IT, BUT I DO SEE THAT YOU'VE STEPPED DOWN IN THE INTERIOR.

YOU HAVE 1, 2, 3 DOWN INSIDE, AND THEN LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN GRADE CHANGES, YOU KNOW, 20 TO 19.

I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ABOUT 30 INCHES FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE WATER TABLE TO TOP THE GRADE COMING DOWN 21 INCHES INSIDE.

AND YOU'RE GOING TO END UP WITH ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER 10 OR SO INCHES OUT THERE.

SO YOU THREE AND A HALF, YOU'RE DOWN TO SEVEN.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO NEED A HANDRAIL OUTSIDE.

YOU'RE BOTH GOING TO BE FINE.

I THINK WHAT'S CONFUSING IS IT'S NOT SHOWING THE PORCH ON THE ELEVATIONS.

LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT THE FRONT ELEVATION, YOU DON'T SEE WHERE IT'S LOWER.

GO BACK TO THAT LAST ONE RIGHT THERE.

WOW.

I SEE.

SO WHAT, WHAT I HAVE DRAWN IS DARK THERE.

THAT SHOULD ACTUALLY BE THE LIGHT TO REPRESENT A PIECE OF CONCRETE.

THAT'S THAT'S MY AREA.

NO, IT BE THAT SLAB STOOP.

EVEN WITH THAT CLARIFIED, IF I JUST MAY TAKE AWAY THAT GRAY SHADING ON THE PORCH.

UM, AND PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT THE GRADE IS SHOWN NEXT TO IT, TO ENSURE THAT IT IS, IT IS MEETING THAT REQUIREMENT OF NOT NEEDING THAT.

AND IF IT HAD THE SAME HASH MARK, AS, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S GOING TO RECEIVE TABBY ON THE RISER OR MAYBE THAT'S MORE AESTHETIC, BUT YEAH.

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AND YOU'LL NEED THAT FOR YOUR, UM, BUILDING PLANS TO, ONCE YOU GET TO THAT STEP OF THE PROCESS, THE NEXT ITEM IS, UM, THE, THE PROFILE FOR THE ROOF ON THE PORCH AND THE CARRIAGE HOUSE, IT NOTES.

IT IS A METAL ROOF, BUT IT DOESN'T SPECIFY THE PROFILE OF IT.

UM, SO THAT'S JUST THE STANDING SEAM AND FIVE V CURRENT METAL ARE BOTH PERMITTED ROOF METALS, UM, JUST NEEDS TO BE CALLED OUT ON THE PLANS.

AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS THE AMOUNT OF TRANSPARENCY ON THE FRONT ELEVATION MUST BE INCREASED TO MEET THE MINIMUM, WHICH IS 20% TRANSPARENT WINDOWS.

SO THAT IS THIS ELEVATION HERE.

UM, WE TALKED ABOUT MY, I MIGHT BE CONFUSING, BUT I THOUGHT YOU WERE, YEAH, WE SEE WHERE WE MISSED IT.

WE ALL THOUGHT WE MET AT, AT THAT TIME.

I THOUGHT WE HAD AS THE HPRC, I THINK WE WERE, YOU WERE GOING TO EXTEND THE LENGTH OF THOSE WINDOWS OR ELAINE.

SO WE DID INCREASE THE WIDTH PER ELAINE SUGGESTION, BUT THEN KATIE POINTED OUT, WE ARE UNDER THE REQUIRED TRANSPARENCY.

AND WE SAW IN THE UDL WHERE WE MISS THAT BY A LOT.

WELL, WE GOT A PLAN.

WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE NOW WITH OH, 15%.

WELL, THE 15 SKYLIGHTS, WE W WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE WINDOWS THAT ARE THERE AND, UM, WHICH ARE TWO BY THREE, NO TWO BY FOUR, NO THREE BY FOUR, THREE BY FOUR.

AND WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE THE TWO WITH A SET OF FOUR OF 30 INCH BY FOUR.

WE JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT MILLION TO PUT BETWEEN THEM THAT, AND WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THREE QUARTER LIGHT DOOR AND THAT WILL GET US TO 20% PER MY CALCULATIONS.

OH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PROPOSE DOING DOUBLE WINDOW ON EACH SIDE.

SO COMMISSION ON THIS ONE, BECAUSE THIS IS A, UM, A SLIGHTLY SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE TO THE FRONT ELEVATION.

IF IN YOUR MOTION, YOU COULD BE SPECIFIC ABOUT, UM, IF, IF WHAT THEY HAVE SHOWN, MEET THEM, AS LONG AS, UM, YOU PHRASE THIS EVENT, UH, THE TRANSPARENCY HAS INCREASED TO A MINIMUM OF 20% BY ADDING THE ADDITIONAL WINDOW ON EITHER SIDE AS SHOWN ON THE PLANS AT THE MEETING OR SOMETHING.

HOW DO WE SUBMIT THAT WE CAN PULL IT UP, PULL THIS APPLICATION AND PUT IT, SUBMIT IT THROUGH CARRIERS TO RECORD.

AND WE CARRY THAT INTO THE RECORD.

SO THEREFORE, AND WE'RE REFERRING TO THIS DRAWING AND IT'S UP PER THE RECORD DRAWING THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THEM.

IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR US.

CAN WE PASS THAT AROUND TO SEE, SORRY, I'M GLAD WE'RE ABLE TO, WE'RE ABLE TO SUBMIT THAT TO THE RECORD FOR THIS MEETING, CORRECT? YEAH.

IT WOULD STILL NEED TO BE SUBMITTED AS SOMETHING FOR STAFF TO REVIEW, BUT IF THE HPC FEELS COMFORTABLE WITH THE DESIGN SOLUTION THAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED VERBALLY DURING THE MEETING AND STAFF KNOWS THAT THIS IS THE, THIS IS WHAT YOU WERE EXPECTING TO SEE AS LONG AS THAT NUMBER HITS 20%.

WHEN I DO THE MATH ON IT, AFTER IT'S BEEN RESUBMITTED, WHICH I'M SURE IT WILL ONCE YOU'VE SUBMITTED IT, BUT, UM, TRUST, BUT VERIFY, WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE THAT COME IN.

AND IF YOU CHOOSE TO APPROVE IT WITH CONDITIONS, THAT'S, THE STAFF CAN APPROVE A STAFF LEVEL.

THAT IS WHAT I WILL BE LOOKING FOR PLUS OR MINUS A FEW INCHES ON THOSE WINDOWS.

IF THEY ARE ON A, THAT DUST ME 20%.

AND THAT'S A QUESTION I HAVE SO FAR, EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED STILL COULD BE DONE AT STAFF LEVEL, EXCEPT FOR POSSIBLY THIS, WHERE IF WE HAVE THIS AS A DRAWING THAT WE'RE SUBMITTING AS RECORD, WE'RE FINE ALLOWING US IN STAFF LEVEL, SINCE WE KNOW WHICH DIRECTION THEY'RE HEADED, IF YOU ARE ALL COMFORTABLE WITH STAFF, APPROVING IT BEYOND WHAT YOU'VE SEEN HERE TONIGHT, BECAUSE THEY'VE SEEN SOME VERSION OF IT AND KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT WHEN IT COMES IN, STAFF IS COMFORTABLE FOR ME AFTER THAT, IF THEY'VE ORDERED, THE KRISHA FEELS THAT THAT IS A PERFECT, DOES THE BOARD FEEL GOOD WITH THIS DISCUSSION? WHAT DO WE FEEL? JUST LOOKING AT THIS AND GIVING CONSIDERATION TO WHERE YOUR KITCHEN IS LOCATED, OR IF YOU'RE INTENDING ON HAVING THE UPPER CABINETS, THAT WINDOW, THERE'S GOING TO CREATE AN ISSUE.

THE OTHER THING THAT I SEE IS YOU'VE GOT A, A POLISHED OR A COLUMN THAT'S UP AGAINST THE HOUSE.

AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S JUST THE DRAWING, BUT YOUR WINDOW, THE WINDOWS AREN'T CENTERED BETWEEN THERE, YOU'RE CUTTING OFF THE ABILITY TO HAVE THAT CASING.

SO YOU STAYED WITH THIS

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DESIGN.

NOW.

THEY WOULD BE THE SUGGESTION TO CENTER THAT BETWEEN OUTSIDE CORNER IN COLUMN.

ARE YOU, ARE YOU INTENDING ON HAVING A COLUMN AT THE HOUSE? IS THAT ON BOTH SIDES? WHAT'S ON BOTH SIDES.

THAT'S ON BOTH SIDES.

WHAT ABOUT PUTTING A WINDOW OVER TOP IN THAT GABLE? I MEAN, ONE THING JUST, THIS WAS JUST TO MEET THE REQUIREMENT.

SO YEAH, THE DETAILS OF THAT WE NEED TO WORK ON.

UM, WE THOUGHT ABOUT SHRINKING THE PORCH, MAYBE INTERFERE WITH THAT PARENT, THAT PROBLEM WITH, UM, BUT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL PROPOSAL YET TO SOUNDS LIKE THIS.

COULD THEY SUBMIT THIS? IT SOUNDS LIKE IT GETS A LITTLE MORE DETAILED.

SO SHOULD HPRC.

WE COULD, WE COULD HAVE THIS SUBMITTED IN AN HPRC HAS AGAIN, THEY DON'T HAVE VOTING RIGHTS, BUT WE, AT LEAST WE HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE TO REVIEW IT RATHER THAN PUTTING IT ON ALL ON KATIE.

THAT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING AND THE CHANGES ARE WHAT IS GOING TO BE, I OKAY.

I WOULD PREFER TO JUST REMOVE THAT, UH, POSTS THAT'S AGAINST THE HOUSE BECAUSE IT REALLY DOESN'T, IT'S NOT A STRUCTURAL PIECE.

IT WAS JUST AN AESTHETIC PIECE, BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE NOW THAT THAT WINDOW'S THERE.

SO IF THAT'S WHAT I WOULD REQUEST WELL, AND TO, UM, CLARIFY THE PO, WHAT POST ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? WE HAVE THE DRAWING.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A NEWEL POST, ACTUALLY.

IT'S NOT AN ACTUAL CALL AND SEE WHAT YOU TO YEAH, I THINK, YEAH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SIDE ELEVATION, IT'S ACTUALLY A NEWEL POST ON A COLUMN ELEMENT.

I BELIEVE WE CHANGED IT BECAUSE THE WINDOW WAS COMING DOWN.

THAT'S RIGHT.

BUT YOU DON'T REALLY EVEN NEED THAT AT ALL.

YOU COULD JUST RUN THE RAILING INTO THE, THERE IS THE POST HOUSE FOR CHOCOLATE ELEVATION AT RE I LIKE THE LOOK OF THAT WITH YOUR INTERIOR.

IT CREATES ISSUES IN THE KITCHEN.

UM, I LIKE THE, THIS IS JUST ME SPEAKING FROM THE AESTHETIC.

PERFECT.

IT JUST BLOWS UP HERSELF.

I GOT A PLAN FOR THAT THREE QUARTER WINDOWS CERTAINLY INCREASES YOUR, YOUR FINISHED RATION, WHICH, YOU KNOW, STILL, IT LOOKS GREAT AND IT'S GOOD LIGHT.

I'M NOT A HUGE FAN OF HAVING WINDOWS IN ATTICS JUST TO HAVE A WINDOW IN AN ADDICT.

IT GETS COMPLICATED BECAUSE IF, IF YOU NOTE THERE, THOSE NUMBERS ARE BASED ON THE FIRST FLOOR, WHICH IS WHAT THE IT'S PER FLOOR WITH THEY PRESENTS.

SO THAT GABLE THEN CURRENTLY HAS NOT BEEN INCLUDED IN THE MATH FOR WHAT IS BEING 20% WHERE THE, UM, THE CEILING PECK IS WHERE THAT MATH COMES FROM.

THAT IS THE 12 TO 15% CURRENTLY TRANSPARENCY.

SO IF THEY TRY AND IF THEY HAVE TO ADD TRANSPARENCY IN THE GABLED END, THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE IS THERE NOW CLOSER TO 8%, RATHER THAN 12 TO 15, AND WOULD HAVE TO STILL INCREASE IT.

AT IT, YOU SEE YOUR CABINET AND YOU SEE A WINDOW THAT RUNS BEHIND THE CABINET.

JAY WILL WOULD OPEN TO THE FIRST FLOOR.

YOU COULD INCLUDE IT, BUT IF IT'S NOT, THEN YOU HAVE A CEILING CLOSING IT OFF, BUT CAN'T, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY'RE SEALING OR NOT.

IT'S WHETHER, SO IF THEY'RE USING THAT AS PART OF THE TRANSPARENCY THING, THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THAT TRIANGLE HAS TO COUNT.

AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST DOING THE MATH BASED ON A RECTANGLE.

SO I'VE ALREADY DONE THE MATH IN THEIR FAVOR AS BEST I CAN WITH THE WAY THAT THE ANOTHER, UH, ANOTHER OPTION THAT I'VE SEEN DONE.

A COUPLE OF TIMES I'VE DONE A COUPLE OF TIMES IS TO HAVE A WINDOW WELL BEHIND THE CABINET.

SO YOUR CABINET, A BUS, THE EXTERIOR WALL, BUT YOU HAVE A SOLID SURFACE, A FINISHED SURFACE BEHIND IT.

AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR CLEAN WINDOW.

WELL, IN THAT WINDOW, INSTEAD OF STOPPING AT THE COUNTERTOP, IT DROPS.

SO INSTEAD OF MAYBE FOUR FOOT TALL, MAYBE IT'S, MAYBE IT'S A FIVE FOOT TALL OR FIVE FOOT, SIX TALL WINDOW UNIT.

AND THEN YOUR CABINET, YOUR WINDOWS HERE, AND YOUR CABINET RUNS INTO THE WINDOW.

AND IT'S JUST BOXED IN THE BOTTOM OF THE CABINET.

AND THAT LIKE PUT A SHEET ROCK THERE.

SO YOU CAN, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM THE STREET, YOU JUST SEE A FULL WINDOW, BUT WHEN YOU'RE IN THE HOUSE, YOU'VE GOT YOUR WINDOW AND YOUR CABINETS DIE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, OR SOMEWHERE IN THE WINDOW FOR THE TRANSPARENT WINDOWS.

BUT I CAN'T GO TO ANY LONGER BECAUSE I STILL HAVE THE COUNTERTOP THERE.

BUT THOSE COUNTERTOP, IT GOES, IT GOES ON IN YOUR CABINETS STUFF FROM THE STREET, IT LOOKS LIKE A FULL LENGTH WINDOW.

WHEN YOU'RE IN YOUR KITCHEN, LOOKING

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SO YOU'RE SEEING THE BACK OF IT.

YOU'RE SEEING JUST LIKE A PANEL.

YOU FINISH IT IN, OFTENTIMES, YOU KNOW, IN SOME INSTANCES YOU EVEN PUT A PLANTATION SHUTTER THERE, BUT JUST IN THE LOWER HALF OF IT, YOU JUST IN, IN THE CABINET PUT YOUR SHUTTERS.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE JUST SHOT.

NOPE, NOPE.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

I MEAN, THAT SOUNDS, I DO THINK, I MEAN, THAT SECTION IS SPEAKING TO THE TRANSPARENCY RIGHT.

OF THAT FACADE.

SO, I MEAN, IF WE'RE, UM, UH, NOT EXACTLY FOLLOWING, BUT IF WE'RE COVERING IT UP RIGHT WITH INTERIOR, YOU'RE REALLY NOT LOSING A WHOLE LOT OF UPPER CABINETS THOUGH, BY DOING YOUR, FOR SUCH A SMALL KIND OF STORAGE.

WHEN YOU WALK IN THE FRONT DOOR, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT.

THE CAT, WELL, YOU WOULDN'T LOSE THE CABINET.

IF THEY GO TO THE DEVIL, AS WE'RE PROPOSING, NOW, YOU THINK WE ARE GOING TO LOSE ONE CABINET AND WE'RE COMFORTABLE.

I THINK FOR SIMPLICITY, STATE SAKE, WE STICK WITH THE PRESENTATION THAT WE HAVE ON THAT DRAWING.

UM, AND WINDOWS STILL WENT, WE WERE SO SHORT THAT IT WOULD NEED TO BE BIGGER AND WIDER.

AND THESE ARE 30 INCHES VERSUS THE 36 STEP.

I'M LOOKING FOR DISCUSSION ON THAT POINT.

AND CEILING HEIGHT.

HOW TALL IS YOUR DOOR? SO YOU GOT AN EIGHT FOOT HEADER, HEIGHT, 36.

SHE HAD A FIVE FOOT, YOU GOT ROOM FOR A FIVE FOOT TALL, THREE FOOT WINDOW, AND LANDING ON YOUR COUNTERTOP.

WHAT ABOUT BASICALLY, WHY YOU HAVE TO GO UNDERNEATH BY SIX? YEAH.

THE SIMPLICITY OF HIS OWN.

WE DIDN'T REALLY THINK ABOUT THAT'S AN OPTION AND WE'LL, WE'LL GO BACK AND DISCUSS IT, BUT WE'RE PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AS WELL.

FUCK.

WE'RE BROKEN RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THAT MAJOR CHANGE.

IT STILL SEEMS LIKE IT SHOULD COME BACK, NOT TO THE HPC BODY, BUT IF IT CAME BACK TO THE HPRC AND HPRC IS, YOU KNOW, MEETS EVERY WEEK.

SO IT DEPENDS ON SCHEDULING AND SUCH, BUT THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE WAITING OR TO COME BACK TO THE FULL BODY WITH THAT CHANGE.

IT IS UP TO THE COMMISSION.

HOW YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE IF YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH SOME VERSION OF IT, FOR DISCUSSION HERE, DID EVERYBODY ELSE GOT A CHANCE TO SEE THIS WAS, I CAN'T REMEMBER.

WAS THAT THE LAST COMMENT? WAS THAT COMMENT NUMBER NINE, ALL MEMBERS ANY, WELL, WE'LL GO AND FIND ME THIS JOB RENDERING GO AND FIND THAT THE COMMISSION IS THAT RENDERING.

YEAH, WELL, NO, NO.

WELL, ARE WE WERE ADOPTING AND AS PER THAT RENDERING, CORRECT.

AND YOU ARE GOING TO ELIMINATE THE COLLAR.

SO IT WOULD BE AS DISCUSSED DURING THE HPC MEETING, BY REMOVING THE, UM, PLASTER AGAINST THE WALL AND ADDING ADDITIONAL WINDOW IN ADDITIONAL WINDOW ON EITHER SIDE AS DISCUSSED IN THE MEETING.

AND IF THAT IS THE INTENT, THEN WE WOULD, STAFF COULD APPROVE IT BASED ON THE PLAN THAT IS THERE WITH THE COLUMN REMOVED, OR IT COULD GO BACK TO HPRC.

IF YOU FELT MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, THAT AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE FEELING COMFORTABLE WITH LETTING IT COME BACK FOR REVIEW TO STAFF.

STAFF HAS COMFORTABLE.

IF YOU ALL LIKE WHAT YOU'VE LOOKED AT ON THAT PAPER STAFF HAS COMFORTABLE MAKING STAFF UNDERSTANDS THE INTENT OF WHAT YOUR MOTION WOULD BE.

IF THAT WERE YOUR, IF THAT'S YOUR INTENT, IF YOU'D LIKE IT TO GO BACK TO HPRC, YOU ARE WELCOME TO MAKE THAT MOTION AS WELL.

AND STAFF WILL BRING IT BACK TO HPRC FOR THEIR INPUT.

AND THEN FINAL STAFF DETERMINATION ON WHETHER IT MEETS THE INTENT OF THE MOTION, OR IT COULD COME BACK TO THE HPC, WHICH WOULD BE THE FULL COMMISSION TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

IF THAT'S THE CASE, IT WOULD NEED TO BE TABLED SO THAT YOU WOULD HAVE, UM, ALL OF THE COMMENTS COME BACK TO YOU.

THEY WOULD SUBMIT THE WHOLE RECENT MEDAL.

SO IT CAN GO BACK TO HPC, HPRC, OR BE A STAFF LEVEL, UM, DETERMINATION BASED ON HOW YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT.

WHAT HEIGHT? 30 INCHES, ONE, FOUR FEET OR FIVE FEET, FOUR, LIKE YOU, LIKE YOU POINTED OUT THE FOG WOULD PUT IT ALMOST RIGHT ON THE COUNTER.

AND WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT TRIMMING OUT THE WINDOW.

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I'M OKAY.

WITH THE DOUBLE 30 INCH BY FOUR FOOT, IF IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY NEED, MAYBE ELIMINATION THAT AT THE FRONT DOOR.

AND THAT COULD BE DONE AT STAFF.

WE'RE, WE'RE JUST THE DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, OKAY.

YEAH, NO.

I LIKE THIS OPTION.

I THINK IT WORKS AS LONG AS THEY KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO FINISH THAT HANDRAIL AT THE HOUSE, UM, WITHOUT A NEW, OLD POST TO TERMINATE INTO.

AND ACTUALLY THE NEWEL POST PROBABLY WOULD COME UNDER THE WINDOWS ANYWAY.

CAUSE IF YOU'RE SETTING NO WINDOWS AT EIGHT FEET AND YOU COME DOWN FOUR FEET, THAT GIVES YOU FOUR FEET AND YOUR RAILS, YOURS AT 36 INCHES, YOU STILL HAVE A LITTLE HALF KNEEL THERE.

YEAH, THAT'S PERFECT.

THAT'S WHAT WE LITTLE AND GIVEN THAT YOU'RE OUR ONLY APPLICANT FOR TONIGHT.

WE CAN GET INTO THE WEEDS WITH YOU, BUT I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T BE, I WOULDN'T BE AFRAID OF DROPPING IT ALL THE WAY TO FIND IT'S GOING TO GIVE YOU MORE FINISHED RATION.

YOU CAN FINISH YOUR COUNTERTOP RIGHT TO THE BOTTOM OF THE WINDOW.

IT'S GOING TO BE MORE LIGHT INTO THAT SPACE.

UM, SO I WOULDN'T, IF I, IF I WERE YOU, I WOULD SAY, DON'T BE AFRAID OF THAT.

IT'S GONNA GIVE YOU MORE LIGHT.

UM, AND YOU'RE WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH THAT ONE FOOT ON THE INTERIOR? UM, AND THEN IF YOU DID THAT, THEN LOOK AT BRINGING THOSE WINDOWS OFF OF THE NEWEL POST AGAINST THE PORCH SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE THE, THE HALF NO PILE AFTER THERE CENTER THE WINDOWS, GET THEM AWAY FROM THEM.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CONFLICT THERE.

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO BURN? WE'VE HEARD OF, ARE THERE ELECTRICAL, ELECTRICAL OUTLET REQUIREMENTS? THERE ARE ELECTRICAL OUTLET REQUIREMENTS AND YOU HAVE 15 INCHES FROM YOUR SINK WHERE YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR FIRST ONE AND THEN EVERY 24 INCHES FROM, FROM THERE.

SO, BUT THERE'S, YOU CAN WORK AROUND THAT.

THERE'S WAYS TO ACCOMMODATE THAT OR MONITOR THE CABINET AND LET THEM IN THE WINTER.

SO WELL, IF WE GO TO FIVE, THAT'S A BIG, THAT WAS OUR OTHER CONCERN THAT, HEY, WE'LL HYPE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PROBLEMS LOCATING THAT OUT.

THERE'S A PRODUCT IT'S LITERALLY CALLED SIL LIGHT S I L L, THAT IT'S MADE TO GO INTO WINDOW SILL.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S WAYS TO OVERCOME THAT AS WELL.

YOU'VE GOT A GREAT LOOKING COTTAGE HERE, AND I'D HATE TO SEE YOU LIMIT YOURSELF AS FROM AN AESTHETIC STANDPOINT, JUGGLING PERCENTAGES.

AND YOU'RE JUST KIND OF GETTING HUNG UP ON THE, ON THAT.

WELL, AND I, YEAH, I, TRUST ME, I PUSHED HARD FOR THAT FIVE FOOT FIVE BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT IT TO LOOK SQUAD.

IT'LL LOOK NICE AND YOU CAN PULL IT OFF AND IT WOULD BE A BIG IMPACT.

AND YOU'RE SQUEEZING A NICE BUILDING INTO INTERESTING PROPERTY.

AND YOU'RE SQUEEZING YOUR NICE BUILDING INTO AN INTERESTING PROPERTY.

WE, WE, YOU KNOW, WE FEEL LIKE WE WERE TRYING, YOU KNOW, THE COMMENTS, THE VERY FIRST ONE THAT WE DON'T UNDERSTAND, WE ARE NOT PLANNING ON REMOVING ANY TREES.

TO INCLUDE ADDING A SECOND WINDOW ON EITHER SIDE AND INCREASE THE SIZE OF THOSE WINDOWS AND CHANGE THE DOOR TO A THREE QUARTER LIGHT TO BE REVIEWED, UM, BY THE HPRC AND APPROVED BY STAFF.

SO DO WE NEED TO DO NUMBER ONE? NO, I WOULD PREFER BECAUSE I, THE SITE, BECAUSE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN IS NOT QUITE CLEAR AS TO WHAT IS COMING OUT OFF OF THIS LOT.

I'D PREFER IT TO BE LEFT IN THERE AS A CONDITION, BUT WE CAN ADD THAT EXTRA LITTLE THING IN THERE.

IT IS A NON-ISSUE IF THERE ARE NO TREES IN THERE, UM, I, FOR SOME REASON SAW SOMETHING BIG THAT IT CONCERNED ME, BUT I MAY HAVE, HAVE OVERLOOKED IT THIS WAY AT AT LEAST COVERS BOTH SIDES OF THAT.

UM, I'VE BEEN WORKING ON TRYING TO, UM, ADD LANGUAGE.

THAT IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT INTO THIS LANGUAGE HERE IN RED, PLEASE DO NOT USE THIS.

IF IT IS NOT REFLECTIVE OF WHAT YOU HAVE DISCUSSED.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS SOMETHING THERE FOR YOU, UM, TO LEAN ON AS, AS YOU WOULD ATTEMPT TO EMOTION FOR THIS APPLICATION.

SO WHAT I'VE CURRENTLY UNDERSTOOD IS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THEM INCREASE THE TRANSPARENCY TO NO LESS THAN 20% BY REMOVING THE NEWEL POST AND MODIFYING THE WINDOWS AS DISCUSSED BY THE HPC

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NOW, IF THAT IS NOT YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED, DO NOT USE THAT, BUT THE LANGUAGE IS THERE.

SHOULD YOU WANT TO USE SOME VERSION OF IT, UM, CHANGE AS NEED BE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

WE NEED TO DISCUSS THAT AGAIN.

ARE WE GOOD WITH STAFF ON THAT VERSUS HPRC BEFORE WE GO WITH THE MOTION? I THINK WE COULD CHANGE THAT TO STAFF.

YOU WILL POST FITS.

WE ARE ALLOWED TO LEAVE IT.

I HAVE A S OH, YOU AHEAD.

I WAS JUST GONNA SAY I HAVE A, UM, COMPLETELY UNRELATED, UH, COMMENT THAT IS NOT AT ALL.

UM, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE Y'ALL OH, WAIT FOR THE, UM, UH, FOR THE SITE PLAN.

UM, ONE, THE ONE THING THAT I WOULD KNOW, I WAS LOOKING AT THE SITE GRADING AND DRAINAGE PLAN, AND I JUST WANTED TO KNOW LIKE, AS CURRENTLY DRAWN, UM, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN HOW THE ELEVATIONS ARE SHOWN ON THERE.

I MEAN, ESSENTIALLY WHAT'S DRAWN ON, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF FILL, BUT I MEAN, YOU'RE STILL DROPPING FROM, WE'LL SAY THAT FIRST POST, THAT ELEVATION 17 AND A HALF ALL THE WAY TO 13.

SO, I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE DROPPING LIKE FOUR FEET OF GRADE.

UM, SO REALLY THAT'S LIKE MORE THAN 15 OR 16% SLOPE FOR THAT BOAT PARKING.

UM, AND I JUST DON'T WANT IT, LIKE, IF THAT'S NOT WHAT THE INTENT, I MEAN, YOU CAN DO THAT TYPICALLY.

YOU WOULD WANT THAT LEVEL.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THE SPACE FOR THAT.

I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP BECAUSE IF, UM, YOU WERE TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE LEVEL, THAT RETAINING WALL WOULD START TO GET REALLY TALL REALLY QUICK.

UM, SO THAT'S, AGAIN, IT'S NOT A, I JUST NOTICED THAT, UH, YOU'RE RELATIVELY FLAT AND YOU WOULD STAY THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, YOUR 20, UM, TO THE 19 AT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, BUT THEN IT'S GOING FROM 19 TO 13 AND A REALLY SMALL WINDOW.

I MEAN, IT IS LIKE FROM MY, I DON'T HAVE A CAT OR ANYTHING, BUT I MEAN, IT'S LIKE A 16% SLOPE.

UM, THAT'S NOTED AND I'LL GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AGAIN.

AND MAYBE IT IS MISDRAWN.

DO YOU HAVE ANY INTENTION OF CLOSING THAT CARPORT IN AT ALL, BUT RIGHT NOW, NO, BUT THEN IT JUST HAS TO BE ADJUSTED ON THAT.

UM, AND IF WE DIDN'T CLOSE IT, WE WOULD COME BACK TO THE TOWN, OBVIOUSLY.

GREAT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS ON THIS PROJECT, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST AS A QUICK NOTE, IF THERE ISN'T FURTHER DISCUSSION, WHAT HAVE I DONE? UM, I REMIND HER THAT EMOTION COULD BE MADE.

WE MOVED TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS PER STAFF, 1, 2, 3, OR PER STAFF, ONE THROUGH SIX.

AND THEN, HOWEVER YOU LIKE TO GO ABOUT THAT, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ EVERY SINGLE WORD IF YOU DON'T WANT TO, IT CAN BE PER STAFF X, IF IT IS THE EXACT SAME LANGUAGE AS IT'S WRITTEN ON THE SCREEN.

THE ONLY TWO THAT I REQUEST THAT YOU ADD ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE TO ARE THE ONES THAT ARE IN RED, BECAUSE THAT IS NOT REFLECTIVE OF THE STAFF REPORT.

THOSE ARE JUST THE NOTES THAT I ADDED IN TO HELP CLARIFY WHAT YOU WERE DISCUSSING DURING THIS PRESENTATION.

BUT NUMBER FOUR, STILL, UH, JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE COVERING THAT PROPERLY.

UH, CAUSE I KNOW THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION IN, UM, YEAH, I MEAN I'M COMFORTABLE, UH, WITH STAFF.

I THINK IT'S JUST CLARIFYING EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE INTENDING TO DO THERE.

AND, UM, FOR, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION NINE TO, UM, INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF TRANSPARENCY TO NO LESS THAN 20% BY MODIFYING THE WINDOWS AS DISCUSSED.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I GUESS I'M LOOKING FOR JEEZ, UH, I'LL MOVE TO MAKE A MOTION, UM, THAT, UM, BOARD GRANT APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING, UH, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ONE THROUGH FIVE AND SIX AND THEN, UM, PER SEVEN THAT THE APPLICANT UPDATE THE PLANS TO EITHER SHOW RAILINGS AND HANDRAILS FOR STAIRS, OR IF IT'S JUST A STOOP THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE STAIRS, JUST TO CLEARLY NOTE THE STOOP HEIGHT TO SHOW IT'S NOT REQUIRED, UM, PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION EIGHT

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AND, UM, WITH THE DOCUMENT PASSED AROUND TO THIS BOARD TONIGHT TO INCLUDE ADDING A SECOND WINDOW ON EITHER SIDE AND INCREASE THE SIZE OF BOTH WINDOWS AND CHANGE THE DOOR TO A THREE QUARTER LIGHT TO BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED, UM, BY STAFF WITH THAT BEING SAID, CAN I GET A SECOND, SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION? THE ONLY DISCUSSION I WANT TO MAKE SURE IS MAKING SURE THAT DRAWING IS WE NEED TO CATEGORIZE THAT DRAWING.

WHAT DO WE NEED TO WRITE ON THAT DRAWING? UM, ARE WE GOOD WITH A DRAWING NOTES DATED OR WHATEVER? SO IT'S VERY GOOD.

UM, THAT WAS THE ONLY DISCUSSION.

SO I'M LOOKING FOR A, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM ANYONE OVER THE DISCUSSION, LOOKING FOR A VOTE ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.

OPPOSED, UH, PASSED UNANIMOUSLY AS STATED.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS.

UM, APPLICANTS.

I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU TOMORROW.

THANK YOU ALL.