May 02, 2022 Natural Resources Committee

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NATURAL RESOURCE COMMITTEE MEETING TWO

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

PLEASE STAND.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL THIS AFTERNOON.

WE HAVE, UM, COUNCILMAN DAWSON, CHAIRMAN, PAT SUMMIT, COUNCILMAN RODMAN, MYSELF AND COUNCILMAN GLOVER IN PERSON.

AND THEN ONLINE, WE HAVE A COUNCILMAN HARBOR.

SEAN, THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN LOSS AND COUNCILMAN CUNNINGHAM THAT I, I GOT EVERYBODY.

OKAY.

CLOSE ENOUGH.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, PUBLIC NOTICE OF THIS MEETING WAS PUBLISHED, POSTED AND DISTRIBUTED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SOUTH CAROLINA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT, CORRECT.

MS. PARK, UH, NUMBER

[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA (Part 1 of 2) ]

I THINK WE MAY HAVE A MOTION TO AMEND THE AGENDA.

YES, SIR.

COUNCILMAN DAWSON, MADAM CHAIRMAN.

I'D LIKE TO AMEND THE AGENDA TO, UH, WE HAVE, UH, ITEM NUMBER 13 IS DUE TO BE, UH, DISCUSSING IN THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.

I'D LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION TO MOVE THAT, UH, TO THE OPEN SESSION DISCUSSION.

AND AS BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT NEGOTIATIONS AND INCIDENT TO APPROACH ROLES, CONTRACTUAL ARRANGEMENTS, AND PROPOSED PURCHASE OR SALE OF PROPERTY, UH, IN THE LOW BEACON AREA, UH, AND DUE DILIGENCE AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF.

SO WE'D MOVE THAT ONTO THE REGULAR AGENDA.

TAKE IT OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION.

AND SECOND THAT WE HAVE A SECOND WITHOUT OBJECTION, THAT WILL BECOME NUMBER 13 AND IT WILL BE DONE IN OPEN SEARCH.

ALRIGHT, WE'LL BE BACK TO THE PUBLISHED AGENDA.

WE HAVE CITIZENS COMMENTS.

WE HAVE, UM, ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK FORGOT THE MINUTES.

OH, APPROVAL

[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - MARCH 7, 2022]

THANK YOU.

I HEAR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM APRIL 4TH, 2022.

ALL RIGHT.

COUNCILMAN DAWSON MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.

SO I HAVE A SECOND.

SECOND.

ALL RIGHT.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GLOVER WITHOUT OBJECTION.

THE MINUTES FROM APRIL 4TH ARE APPROVED.

MOVING DOWN

[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA (Part 2 of 2) ]

YES.

UH, WE ACTUALLY NEED TO VOTE ON THE AGENDA AGAIN.

YOU VOTED ON THE MOTION TO AMEND.

NOW WE NEED TO MAIN MOTION.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

LET'S GO BACK TO APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA AS AMENDED.

I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS AMENDED.

SO MOVED WE'VE PROVED THE AMENDED AGENDA.

SEVEN SECONDS.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN GLOVER.

WITHOUT OBJECTION.

THE AGENDA WAS APPROVED AS AMENDED.

WE'VE DONE THE MINUTES.

NOW WE CAN GO TO CITIZEN

[6. CITIZEN COMMENTS]

ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK DURING THE CITIZEN COMMENT PORTION OF THE MEETING WILL, UM, CHAIRMAN.

YES, SIR.

THE AMENDED MOTION NOW BECOMES THE PRIMARY EMOTION, RIGHT? SO WHAT WE DID AS A GENTLE AS AMENDED, UM, IN THREE MINUTES OF TOTAL AND WE'LL ADDRESS THE COUNCIL IN A RESPECTFUL MANNER APPROPRIATE TO THE DECORUM OF THE MEETING, REFRAINING FROM THE USE OF PROFANE ABUSIVE OR OBSCENE LANGUAGE, WE DO HAVE ONE PERSON WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IT'S MS. JESSICA WHITE, IF SHE WOULD COME FORWARD.

THANK YOU.

UM, JESSE WHITE ON BEHALF OF THE COASTAL CONSERVATION LEAGUE, I JUST WANTED TO OFFER OUR SUPPORT FOR A COUPLE OF THE ITEMS BEFORE YOU, UM, THIS AFTERNOON, NUMBER SEVEN, UM, TO CLOSE A LOOPHOLE IN THE TREE MITIGATION, UM, PROCEDURE.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE STAFF IDENTIFYING THAT AND BRINGING IT FORWARD AS WELL AS THE, UM, TEXT AMENDMENT NUMBER 10, TO CLARIFY THAT BOTH JURISDICTIONAL AND NON-JURISDICTIONAL WETLANDS SHOULD BE CALCULATED, UM, IN THE BASE BASED DENSITY BASE SITE AREA CALCULATIONS.

I ALSO JUST WANTED TO ANNOUNCE TO YOU ALL THAT, UM, OUR NEW PROJECT MANAGER WITH THE COASTAL CONSERVATION LEAGUE IS HERE IN ATTENDANCE.

HIS NAME IS GRANT MUCHLER AND COME UP FRONT SO WE CAN, UM, AND I WANTED TO INTRODUCE HIM AND ALSO BRIEFLY JUST WANTED TO ALSO, UH, APPRECIATE THE, UM, AMENDMENT TO BRING THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE DUE DILIGENCE OVER THE LUMPIA SITE, INTO THE OPEN SESSION.

SO THANK YOU.

AND I'LL LET GRANT SAY HELLO EVERYBODY.

I'M REALLY GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE AND LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING TO KNOW YOU ALL.

SO THANKS.

WHAT WAS YOUR LAST NAME? MCCLURE MCCLURE? I DID.

THANKS.

I'M GLAD YOU'RE ON BOARD.

I KNOW

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OKAY.

GOING BACK TO THE

[7. RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE FOR A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE (CDC): SECTION 5.11.100.F.1 (TREE REMOVAL ON DEVELOPED PROPERTIES) TO CLOSE A LOOPHOLE WHICH ALLOWS SPECIMEN AND MITIGATION TREES TO BE REMOVED POSTCONSTRUCTION OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.]

NUMBER SEVEN IS RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE FOR TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE, THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION FIVE POINT 11.1 HUNDRED POINT 0.13 REMOVAL ON DEVELOPED PROPERTIES TO CLOSE THE LOOPHOLE, WHICH ALLOWS SPECIMEN AND MITIGATION TREES TO BE REMOVED POST CONSTRUCTION OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

AND MR. MERCHANT, YOU'RE GOING TO PRESENT THIS.

OKAY, GO AHEAD.

AND I WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE CONTEXT.

THERE'S FOUR ITEMS HERE AND THEY SEEM KIND OF RANDOM, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING IS TO DEPARTMENT, UM, NOW HAD JUST ADOPTED THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN IS WE'RE TAKING A LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE AND MAKING CORRECTIONS.

THIS IS THE FIRST BATCH.

THESE WERE FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND EASY TO CRAFT AMENDMENTS.

UM, AND WE'RE HOPING TO COME FORWARD WITH TWO DIFFERENT ADDITIONAL BATCHES LATER ON THIS YEAR.

SO JUST GIVE SOME CONTEXT TO WHY THESE ARE ON HERE.

THIS FIRST ITEM DEALS SPECIFICALLY WITH OUR TREE REQUIREMENTS.

UM, WE HAVE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS IN OUR ORDINANCE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT REQUIRES SPECIMEN TREES TO BE SAVED.

AND WHEN THEY'RE TAKEN DOWN, THEY'RE MITIGATED PER CALIPER INCH.

UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID IN OUR ORDINANCE, UH, I WOULD SAY FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO, AND THIS WAS IN RESPONSE TO EXISTING PROPERTY OWNERS OR HOMEOWNERS, YOU KNOW, WANTING TO TAKE A TREE DOWN.

WE HAVE, I WOULD SAY LESS STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS FOR A PROPERTY OWNER WHO WANTS TO REMOVE A TREE ON THEIR PROPERTY VERSUS WHEN NEW CONSTRUCTION IS OCCURRING, UM, TO PROVIDE MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR, FOR A HOMEOWNER.

UH, THEN WHEN A DEVELOPER'S COMING IN DEVELOPING A NEW COMMUNITY, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS HAPPENING AND I HAVE AMANDA FLAKE IS HERE FROM OUR DEPARTMENT WHO DEALS WITH TREES.

SO THE DAY-TO-DAY BASIS, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THE WORD IS GETTING OUT WITH NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME CONSTRUCTION THAT, YOU KNOW, WHISPER IN THE EAR OF THE HOMEOWNER WILL, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE OUT THIS TREE, WAIT TILL WE GET OUR CEO AND THEN GO AHEAD AND WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE IT OUT FOR YOU.

AND SO THIS IS, UH, THIS IS CRAFTED TO REQUIRE A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD IN THIS CASE IT'S FIVE YEARS BEFORE THOSE HOMEOWNER TREE REQUIREMENTS KICK IN.

SO THAT'S OKAY.

I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS.

THIS CLOSES A LOOPHOLE IS PRETTY, WAS BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF.

YEAH.

OKAY.

UM, ANY QUESTIONS? HOW ABOUT ONLINE? ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYONE? UH, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, SPECIMEN, TREES ARE DEFINED AS YEAH.

IN OUR ORDINANCE ARE DEFINED.

I DON'T HAVE THEM MEMORIZE, BUT IT'S BY SPECIES.

SO CERTAIN SPECIES LIKE LIVE OAK, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S 12 INCH OR 16 INCH CALIPER AND UP FOR LIVE OAK, OTHER SPECIES LIKE LOBLOLLY PINE.

IT'S A, IT'S A LARGER DIAMETER, BUT IT'S BASICALLY TO PRESERVE IMPORTANT IN SOME TREES LIKE MAGNOLIA AND DOGWOOD GO DOWN TO FOUR-INCH.

SO IT, THE PURPOSE IS TO PRESERVE THOSE SIGNIFICANT TREES IN THE SITE, IN WHEN FOR A, SOMEBODY WHO OWNS A HOME.

AND IN THIS CASE WITH THE NEW ORDINANCE FOR FIVE YEARS OR MORE, WE HAVE SOMETHING CALLED GRAND TREES, BUT IT'S BASICALLY AN ACTUALLY I THINK WITH THIS NEW LANGUAGE, WE'VE GOT RID OF THE WORD GRAND, BUT IT'S JUST WHEN YOU WANT TO REMOVE A TREE, UM, THE THRESHOLD IS, IS LARGER THAN THE SPECIMEN TREES WHEN, UH, WHEN A DEVELOPERS CAN.

OKAY.

YEAH, BECAUSE YOU MAY HAVE SOME, DOES THIS SUPERSEDE ANY REQUIREMENTS IN DEVELOPED COMMUNITIES THAT ARE OUT THERE? NO.

I MEAN, IF THERE ARE HOA REQUIREMENTS FOR SAVING TREES, THOSE WOULD, IF THEY'RE MORE STRINGENT THAN WHAT WE HAVE, THOSE WOULD SUPERSEDE THE COUNTY.

BUT IF THEY'RE LESS STRINGENT, UM, IF THEY'RE LESS STRINGENT, I MEAN, WHATEVER IS MORE STRINGENT WOULD APPLY.

ONE THING I DID, I SHOULD MENTION IS THAT IF A TREE IS REQUIRED TO BE SAVED FOR A MITIGATION, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN, UH, A DEVELOPMENT IS APPROVED, THOSE TREES WOULD STILL NEED TO BE SAVED ON A SINGLE FAMILY LOT.

SO IT'S NOT, UM, SOMEBODY COULDN'T COME IN AND SAYING, WELL, I'M SAVING THIS GROUP OF PINES OVER HERE TO MITIGATE THE TREE.

SO I'M TAKEN OUT OVER HERE AND THEN THOSE ARE REBATES.

THOSE WILL STILL BE SAVED AS WELL.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN GLOVER.

YEAH.

I, I DID NOT RECOGNIZE, UH, THAT, UM, PINE

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IT ONLY IS AT, IS IT 30 OR 36? AND I'M SORRY, WHAT LOBLOLLY IS SPECIMEN AT 24, 24 GRAND AT 36.

SO LARGER LOBLAW.

THESE ARE SPECIMEN TREES.

OKAY.

AT SOME POINT IN TIME, THEY LOSE THEIR LIFE EXPECTANCY.

I MEAN, THE OAK TREE IS DIFFERENT.

IT'S GOING TO BE HERE BEYOND MY TIME, BUT AT SOME POINT IN TIME, THE PINT IS GOING TO LOSE, LOSE ITS LIGHT'S EXISTENCE.

AND IT'S GOING TO, I MEAN, IT HAS TO BE REMOVE, I GUESS YOU WERE SAYING THAT IF IT DIED THERE, YOU CAN REMOVE IT.

IT DEPENDS.

THEY HAVE TO GET A PERMIT DEPENDING ON THE SPECIES AND THE SIZE.

YEAH.

UM, I, YOU KNOW, CAUSE UM, PARTICULAR LOBBY LOBLOLLY IS I CALL THOSE, UM, WHATEVER TREES.

UM, BUT, UH, IT DEPENDS ON THE TYPE AND THE SIZE.

AND SO DO YOU HAVE A 24 OR 25 INCH LOBLOLLY? THAT'S A SPECIMEN TREE AND YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT OUT TO BUILD YOUR HOUSE.

THEN YOU DO HAVE TO MITIGATE THAT INCH BRANCH.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE LOOK AT.

OKAY.

DO YOU HAVE TREES? BUT THE LIVE OAKS ARE SPECIMEN AT 16 AND LOBLOLLY PINE IS SPECIMEN AT 24.

SO THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN THE SIZE.

SO IT DOESN'T, THE REPLACEMENT PART COMES IN TOO.

AND I'VE THOUGHT THE INCH FOUR INCH FOR LIBEL AND JUST, REPLANNING A NOTHER PINE TREE FOR A PINE.

NO.

UM, IF THEY'RE SPECIMEN AND YOU'RE TAKING THEM OUT AND IT'S A SPECIMEN TREE AND IT'S ON THAT LIST FOR SPECIMEN, EVEN INCLUDING PINES, YOU STILL HAVE TO DO AN INTERACTION.

THEN WHAT THE ZONING PEOPLE WILL DO IS SAY, LOOK AT WHAT TREES ARE REMAINING ON SITE.

AND IF ANY PINE TREES ARE UNDER THE SPECIMEN SIZE, THEY USE THOSE FOR MITIGATION OR THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH, THEN THEY CAN PAY INTO THE TREE FUND OR THEY CAN PLAY IT BACK OR DO A COMBINATION OF ALL THREE.

BUT EVEN IF YOU TAKE OUT A SPECIMEN PINE IT'S INCH BRANCH, OKAY.

I DON'T PLACE THAT MUCH VALUE ON PINE TREES.

THAT'S ALL RODMAN.

YEAH.

THEATER POINT YORK.

MY SON IS A FORESTER AND HE REFERS TO PINES AS A CROP.

I KNOW THAT THAT TREES NEARLY AS SMALL AS AMANDA, BUT THERE'S A HUGE LOBLAW LAID OVER A CONGRESS NATIONAL PARK.

AND SO THEY DO GET A LOT BIGGER.

I THINK WE JUST TYPICALLY WE DO ANY OF THEM AS A CROP AND YOU KNOW, THE GROANS CLOSE TOGETHER AND THEY'RE LIKE TOOTHPICKS, BUT I MEAN, IF THEY'RE GIVEN ENOUGH ROOM AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD VERIFY THE MORE I HAVE TO FALL ON YOUR HOUSE.

WELL, LATELY, AND THAT IS, THAT'S A REASON THAT WE ALSO NEED A GREATER FLEXIBILITY FOR, UM, HOMEOWNERS.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LOOKING AT ISSUES LIKE THAT IN, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY WAS, THERE WAS A TIME WHERE WE WERE BEING BLAMED EVERY TIME THERE WAS A POWER OUTAGE IS BECAUSE THE COUNTY WON'T LET YOU TAKE DOWN ANY TREES.

SO I MEAN, PART OF THE PURPOSE OF HAVING THOSE TWO DIFFERENT STANDARDS WAS TO GIVE THAT GREATER FLEXIBILITY TO PROPERTY OWNERS.

I DO LIKE TREES BY THE WAY.

OKAY.

DO I HEAR A MOTION TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS? ALL RIGHT.

A SECOND, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GLOWING.

ALL RIGHT.

WITHOUT OBJECTION, WE WILL APPROVE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT ON THE TREES.

THANK YOU.

[8. RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE FOR A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE (CDC): SECTIONS IN DIVISION 3.2 (TRANSECT ZONES) AND SECTIONS IN DIVISION 3.3 (CONVENTIONAL ZONES) TO CORRECT AND CLARIFY PARKING SPACE REQUIREMENT CONFLICTS BETWEEN ZONING DISTRICTS AND THE PARKING SPACE REQUIREMENTS TABLE IN SECTION 5.5.40.B.]

THIS IS A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED IN TREES.

SO YEAH, ACTUALLY IT'S FAIRLY SIMPLE, BUT I APOLOGIZE.

I THINK THIS IS THE BULK OF THE PACKET IS THIS AMENDMENT.

BUT WHEN WE ADOPTED THE CDC, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS IN ARTICLE THREE, WE WANTED FOR EACH OF THE ZONING DISTRICTS TO HAVE MOST OF THE INFORMATION IN THERE SO THAT SOMEBODY COULD, YOU KNOW, IN THAT SMALL SECTION TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEIR SETBACK IS, WHAT THE PERMITTED USES ARE THEIR DENSITY AND THE CONSULTANT AT THAT TIME ALSO PUT IN PARKING STANDARDS AND THEY HAVE THIS SIMPLIFIED VERSION.

AND WE'VE BEEN, I WOULD SAY STRUGGLING WITH THERE BEING CONTRADICTIONS BETWEEN THE PARKING STANDARDS THAT ARE IN EACH OF THE INDIVIDUAL DISTRICTS IN ARTICLE THREE IN AN ARTICLE FIVE IS WHERE WE ACTUALLY HAVE OUR MORE DETAILED PARKING STANDARDS, WHICH LIST A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, GREATER NUMBER OF USES AND

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AND WHAT WE DETERMINED THAT WE SHOULD DO IS JUST SIMPLY FOR MOST OF THE DISTRICTS IN ARTICLE THREE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF OUR TWO T4 TRANSECT ZONES, WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND SIMPLY REFERENCE THEM TO ARTICLE FIVE WHERE THE REQUIREMENTS ARE IN THE CODE.

UM, TH THE TWO TRANSECT ZONES WE HAVE, I WOULD SAY MORE LENIENCE REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE THEY'RE MIXED USE HIGHER DENSITY DISTRICTS WHERE THERE'S MORE OF A CHANCE FOR TRIP CAPTURE AND, UH, SHARED PARKING.

AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE LEAVING THOSE ALONE, BUT EVERY SINGLE OTHER DISTRICT WE'RE REMOVING THE PARKING, UM, THE NUMBER OF SPACE REQUIREMENTS AND SIMPLY REFERRING TO ARTICLE FIVE, BUT THAT OF COURSE MEANT GOING INTO EACH INDIVIDUAL DISTRICT AND AMENDING THEM.

SO THAT'S UM, ALRIGHT, I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS.

ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS ONLINE? ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.

SEEING NO QUESTIONS, ONE.

DID ANYONE CARE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THIS CHANGE? HAPPY TO MADAME CHAIRMAN MOTION AND A SECOND.

THANK YOU.

WITHOUT OBJECTION.

NUMBER EIGHT IS APPROVED TO GO FORWARD FOR THE PARKING SPACE REQUIREMENTS IN SECTION 5.5.

ALL RIGHT.

NUMBER

[9. RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE FOR A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE (CDC): APPENDIX A.13.50.D (GUEST HOUSES) TO CLARIFY THE STANDARDS FOR COMMITTEE MEMBERS: ALICE HOWARD, CHAIRMAN GERALD DAWSON, VICE-CHAIR LOGAN CUNNINGHAM LAWRENCE MCELYNN YORK GLOVER County Council Agenda – Beaufort County, SC MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS FOR GUEST HOUSES LOCATED IN THE MAY RIVER COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICT.]

OKAY.

AND THIS PARTICULAR AMENDMENT IS SPECIFIC TO JUST ONE DISTRICT AND THAT'S THE MAY RIVER COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICT AND NOTHING IN THIS AMENDMENT ESTABLISHES GUEST HOUSES.

THOSE ARE ALREADY IN THAT DISTRICT, BUT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS GETTING RID OF SOME ODD LANGUAGE THAT ACTUALLY FAVORED, UM, ALLOW MORE GUEST HOUSES ON NEW LOTS THAN EXISTING LOTS OF RECORDS, WHICH SEEMED TO BE THE REVERSE OF WHAT WOULD LOGICALLY BE.

THE REQUIREMENT.

TYPICALLY GREATER FLEXIBILITY IS GIVEN TO A LOT OF RECORD VERSUS A NEW LOT OF THE SAME SIZE.

UM, AND SO IN, WE ACTUALLY ENCOUNTERED A SITUATION WHERE THIS STRANGE LANGUAGE STOOD IN THE WAY, AND WE ISSUED A STAFF INTERPRETATION, BUT WE WERE USING THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CLEAN UP THAT LANGUAGE.

THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES RELATED TO GUEST HOUSES THAT WERE, WE ARE MOST LIKELY GOING TO BE DOWN THE ROAD.

UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S CERTAIN PARTS OF THE COUNTY WHERE, UM, THE CERTAIN COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE MULTIPLE GUEST HOUSES.

UM, AND SO WE, WE ANTICIPATE ADDRESSING THAT ISSUE DOWN THE ROAD, BUT THIS SPECIFICALLY DEALS WITH ONE DISTRICT IN EXISTING LANGUAGE THAT IS IN THERE, AND I'M WILLING TO PREVENT PATIENTS THAT THAT'S KIND OF AN OVERALL, UM, DESCRIPTION OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.

OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

IS THIS AN COUNCILMAN LAWSON'S DISTRICT? I THINK MOST OF IT IS IT'S IT'S BETWEEN ON THE MAY RIVER 46 BETWEEN TOWN OF BLUFFTON AND PRITCHARD.

YUP.

YUP.

ANY, ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS, TO APPROVE IT.

COUNCILMAN GLOVER MADE THE MOTION.

I HAVE A SECOND REGARDING GUEST HOUSES IN THE MAY RIVER COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICT.

NOW HAVE A SECOND.

ALL RIGHT.

COUNCIL AND RODMAN, UM, SECONDS.

SO WITHOUT OBJECTION, THIS WILL GO FORWARD FOR THAT ONE.

ALL RIGHT.

NEXT ON THE AGENDA, UM, IS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE

[10. RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE FOR A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE (CDC): SECTION 6.1.40.G (BASE SITE AREA CALCULATIONS) TO CLARIFY THAT BOTH JURISDICTIONAL AND NON-JURISDICTIONAL WETLANDS MUST BE SUBTRACTED FROM THE GROSS SITE AREA TO DETERMINE BASE SITE AREA FOR DEVELOPMENT.]

ALL RIGHT.

SO, UM, BASED SITE AREA BASICALLY IS WHEN THERE IS A PARCEL AND IT'S BEING DEVELOPED, YOU SUBTRACT OUT ALL THE WETLANDS, YOU WOULD SUBTRACT OUT ANY, UM, MARSH, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A KING GRANT PROPERTY THAT HAS MARSHAWN IT, YOU WOULD ALSO SUBTRACT OUT IF THERE'S A SMALL PORTION OF IT, THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET.

AND IN ALL OF THIS HAS DONE FOR THE PURPOSES OF ONCE YOU ESTABLISH BASE SITE AREA, THEN YOU APPLY THE DENSITY OF THAT PARTICULAR DISTRICT.

AND WHAT THIS IS MEANT TO DO IS AVOID A, SOMEBODY TAKING A LOT THAT IS 90% UNDEVELOPABLE, BUT USING

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AND SO W SINCE IN OUR ORDINANCE, WE REQUIRE, UM, BOTH JURISDICTIONAL AND ON JURISDICTIONAL FRESHWATER WETLANDS TO BE, UM, SAVED ON THE SITE THAT WE'RE WE'RE, UM, ADDING BOTH OF THOSE ARE CLARIFYING THAT TH TH BOTH OF THOSE ARE SUBTRACTED OUT WHEN WE'RE CALCULATING THE BASE SITE AREA OF THE SITE.

SO NOW, UM, YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION.

I'LL OPEN IT UP IN A MINUTE, BUT DO THE MUNICIPALITIES HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR OR WERE YOU JUST THE COUNTY AS FAR AS ESTABLISHING? I'M NOT SURE IF THEY, I HAVEN'T LOOKED TO SEE HOW THEY ESTABLISH DENSITY OF A SITE.

I KNOW THAT THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL WITH THEIR NEW CODES NOW, UM, THEY REQUIRE SAVING WETLANDS, EVEN NON JURISDICTION.

NON-JURISDICTIONAL OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

LET'S OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYONE? YES, SIR.

COUNSEL GLOVER.

THE, UM, WHEN YOU ESTABLISHING YOUR BASE SITE, UM, FOR DENSITY, HOW DOES, UM, OPEN SPACE, COULD THE WETLAND BE USEFUL OPEN SPACE? UM, IF YOU NEED OPEN SPACE, UM, TO DETERMINE YOUR, UM, UM, YOUR SITE DEVELOPMENT, CAN YOU USE THAT AS YEAH.

EQUATION? MM, YES.

YOU'RE THE WETLAND WOULD BE PART OF THAT OPEN SPACE.

OKAY.

BUT NOT THE BILLABLE AREAS, WHAT YOU FOCUSING ON.

YEAH.

AND PART OF IT IS TO AVOID, I MEAN, WE'RE SEEING, AND I WOULD SAY ALSO BECAUSE THE MORE WE GROW, PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO DEVELOP ON MORE MARGINAL LOTS, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU COULD PUT A LOT OF DENSE, YOU KNOW, HALF THE LOT IS UNBUILDABLE, THEN YOU'RE, UM, GETTING GREATER DENSITY THAN THAT SITE, YOU KNOW, THE LOT COULD HAVE CAPACITY TO SUPPORT.

UM, I'VE BEEN ALWAYS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT I'M A LOWLAND WETLAND, LOWLAND, NOT NECESSARILY WETLAND, BUT A LOW LAND DENSITY.

I MEAN, LOWER ON THE SEA LEVEL WORK.

YES.

SO BELOW SEA LEVEL, UM, YOU ALWAYS HAD A PROBLEM WITH A SEPTIC TANK OR BEING A PART OF IT, BUT I GUESS NOW A DAYS WITH NEW TECHNOLOGY, YOU CAN HAVE A VERY LOW LAND AND ALSO HAVE SEPARATE TANK THERE WITH THIS NEW SEPTIC SYSTEM.

RIGHT.

SO THIS WOULD ACTUALLY COME INTO PLAY WITH, UH, PEOPLE HAVING MORE EQUALS, BUT NOT BILLABLE ANCHORAGE.

I MAY HAVE A FIVE-YEAR CONTRACT LAND, BUT ONLY HAVE HALF AN ACRE, UM, ON A PROPERTY.

I CAN'T GET TWO HOUSES ON THAT, BUT, UM, THIS WOULD ELIMINATE ME EVEN THINKING ABOUT GETTING TWO HOUSES ON IT THAT WE'LL BE DOING HERE NOW.

NO, THAT'S A QUESTION FOR US AT ANY ADMINISTRATOR.

CAUSE YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE, UM, SOMEBODY HAS A SIX ACRE LOT AND YOU'RE SUBTRACTING OUT THE, WE WOULD ALLOW THE, UM, MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF THREE ACRES, OR DO YOU NEED SIX ACRES TO GET TWO LOTS IN RURAL? THIS WOULD NOT AFFECT THAT, THAT IT WOULD AFFECT SOMEBODY BUILDING A SUBDIVISION OR, UM, DEVELOPING A SITE, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IT WOULD ELIMINATE THEIR ABILITY TO SUBDIVIDE THAT PARCEL IN HALF IF THEY WERE STILL HAD BUILDABLE AREA ON THE TWO LOTS THAT WOULD RESULT FROM THAT SUBDIVISION.

THANK YOU.

THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYONE ONLINE? ALL RIGHT.

I'D LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS NUMBER 10.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, COUNSEL FROM DAWSON THE SECOND AND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN RODMAN, WITHOUT OBJECTION.

THIS WILL GO FORWARD TO FULL COUNCIL, UM, REGARDING THE CALCULATION OF JURISDICTIONAL AND NON-JURISDICTIONAL WETLANDS.

NUMBER

[11. RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REAPPOINTMENT OF GERALD SCHULZE TO THE BJWSA BOARD OF DIRECTORS]

SO I HAVE A MOTION TO REAPPOINT MR. SCHULTZ TO THE BOARD.

IS HE A REGISTRY? I THINK HE SAID LADIES ISLAND DISTRICTS.

SO HE MAY BE,

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DO YOU KNOW WHICH DISTRICT YOU LIVE IN? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

OKAY.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GLOVER TO REAPPOINT THEM.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN RODMAN? ALL

[12. RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF APPOINTMENTS OF DENNIS ROSS FOR AT-LARGE AND RONALD BUCHANAN FOR STORMWATER DISTRICT 8 TO THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT UTILITY BOARD WITH AN EXPIRATION DATE OF 2026]

NUMBER 12, UM, RECOMMENDED WILL BE MOVED TO COUNCIL FOR, YES.

IT WILL BE MOVED TO FULL COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL, WITHOUT OBJECTION, WITHOUT OBJECTION.

NUMBER 12, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF APPOINTMENT.

SO DENNIS ROSS FOR AT LARGE AND RONALD YOU CANNON FOR STORM WATER, DISTRICT EIGHT TO THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT UTILITY BOARD WITH AN EXPIRATION DATE OF 2026.

THIS IS THE STORMWATER DISTRICT EIGHT, NOT THE COUNTY COUNCIL DISTRICT EIGHT.

DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR THOSE APPOINTMENTS? SO MOVE.

I KNOW BUCHANAN IS IN MY DISTRICT.

SO SOMEONE WHO MISSES HIM ALL RIGHT, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? YOU HAVE A SECOND.

ALL RIGHT.

THIS IS SECONDED TO A W WITHOUT OBJECTION.

WE WILL MOVE FORWARD TO FULL COUNCIL FOR APPOINTMENT OF DENNIS ROSS FOR AT LARGE AND RUN A B CANNON FOR DISTRICT EIGHT.

UM,

[13. PURSUANT TO S.C. CODE SECTION 30-4-70(A)(2) DISCUSSION OF NEGOTIATIONS INCIDENT TO PROPOSED CONTRACTUAL ARRANGEMENTS AND PROPOSED PURCHASE OR SALE OF PROPERTY (LOBECO, DUE DILIGENCE)]

CAUSE, UH, I'M SORRY, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE CONTRACTUAL RAYMOND'S AND PROPOSED PURCHASE OR SALE OF PROPERTY AT LOW BECO.

AND WE'LL TURN THAT OVER TO MR. GREENWAY.

YEAH.

THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY IS NOT NECESSARILY CON CONTRACTUAL, UM, NEGOTIATIONS OR ANYTHINGS I'M COMING BEFORE YOU TODAY TO SECURE APPROVAL, TO SPEND SOME MONEY, TO DO SOME DUE DILIGENCE.

BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY IS TO GO OVER THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE PUT TOGETHER WITH COUNCIL MEMBER DAWSON, UM, AND A GROUP OF STAKEHOLDERS FROM THE D DALE AND LIBIDO AREA WHO HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH ME EVER SINCE I WAS A PLANNING DIRECTOR, UH, ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE.

SO SARAH, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY WITH THE PRESENTATION, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE US SOME FACTS ABOUT NUMBER OF ACREAGE.

LAST, I'M GOING TO TRY TO DO ALL OF THAT FOR YOU.

OKAY.

BUT THE MAIN THING YOU NEED FROM THIS IS A DECISION ON WHETHER TO GO FORWARD DUE DILIGENCE.

YEAH.

AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT I NEED AUTHORIZATION TO DO THAT BECAUSE OF MY SPENDING THRESHOLDS NOW, BUT I CERTAINLY DO NOT WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY TO DO THIS.

IF COUNCIL IS NOT INTERESTED IN PURSUING US, UH, AS AN ISSUE ERICA, BY MY, BEFORE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR HAS STARTED.

I, I JUST LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT, UM, THIS WAS A PROJECT THAT, UM, I BROUGHT TO ERIC AND ERIC BASICALLY SPEARHEADED, UM, THIS, UH, PROJECT LOOKING AT, UH, WHAT HE'S GOING TO PRESENT TO US.

UM, AND TO CONSTANTLY GLOVER'S POINT, UH, JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT YAWN OR TOOL OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR WAS NOT LEFT OUT OF THE PROCESS.

HE, HE WAS INFORMED HE WAS AT, UH, SEVERAL OF THE MEETINGS.

AND SO HE WAS ON BOARD.

IT'S JUST THAT ERIC SPEARHEADED IT.

I MEAN, MR. DAWSON, I APPRECIATE IT.

ALL RIGHT.

YEAH.

SO, UM, BASICALLY WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE SCREEN HERE IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE GRAY AREA, THE AREA ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF, UH, JOHN MEEKS ROAD, UH, AS I'M FACING THE, UM, UH, AS I'M FACING THE MAP IS THE OLD LIBIDO CHEMICAL FACTORY, THE PROPERTY ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ROAD, THOSE ARE THREE OR FOUR PARCELS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ZONED INDUSTRIAL.

THERE ARE AN ADDITIONAL THREE PARCELS UP ALONG KING'S NECK ROAD THAT ARE GREEN IN NATURE.

UM, GO BACK, UH, SARAH, IT'S THE THREE PARCELS ADJACENT TO THE GRAY AREA, FRONTING KING'S NECK ROAD, RIGHT THERE.

THIS WILL BECOME CLEAR TO YOU IN A MOMENT THAT GRAY AREAS IS HEAVY, INDUSTRIAL THESE ON PROPERTY.

AND THAT'S GOING TO BE KEY FOR US AND NEAR IS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THERE IS NO SEWER, UH, ON THIS SIDE OF, UH, THE WELL BRANCH WELBRO SEWER STOPS AT THE WELL BRANCH ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

SO WHEN I FIRST CAME HERE IN 2018, UM, SHORTLY AFTER I WAS HERE, I HEARD SOMETHING CALLED JELLY BALL, UM, JELLYFISH PROCESSING.

AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT WAS, BUT I LOOKED INTO IT, UH, AND IT WAS SLATED TO GO ON THE CHEMICAL FACTORY PROPERTY.

AND I GOT TO LOOKING INTO IT AND PEOPLE SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN STOP THIS.

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AND I WAS LIKE, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD STOP IT.

THE PROPERTIES OWN HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, IF THEY WANT TO DO THAT, THAT'S AN ALLOWABLE ZONING USE.

I THINK IT WAS STOPPED THE FIRST TIME BECAUSE OF SOME D HECK ISSUES.

BUT IF IT WERE TO COME BACK, UM, I DON'T THINK WE COULD, COULD STOP IT, BUT MORE IMPORTANT, MORE IMPORTANTLY, WITH RE WITH THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ZONING THERE, AND THE FACT THAT THERE IS NO ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE.

UM, IT BECAME EVIDENT TO ME THAT THE ONLY THING THAT WE COULD EVER HOPE FOR ON THIS PROPERTY IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT I WOULD TERM TO BE UNCLEAN OR LESS THAN SATISFACTORY INDUSTRIAL USE IS GOING IN THERE BY MEANING THAT INDUSTRIAL USERS THAT COULD OPERATE ON SEPTIC SYSTEMS. AND, UH, JUST USING, UM, THE WATER SUPPLY, UH, ON KINGS NECK ROAD.

MIND IF WE ASK A FEW QUESTIONS IS CERTAINLY SO THE JELLY BALL, WAS IT ON BOTH OF THOSE PARCELS OR IT WAS JUST SLATED TO GO IN THE CHEMICAL FACTORY? PROBABLY THE BUILDINGS WERE OKAY.

THE FOLKS THAT OWN, THE OTHER PROPERTY HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

UH, SINCE THAT TIME, RIGHT? I CAME HERE, I MET WITH JOHN AND JOEL AND THE OWNERS OF THAT PROPERTY OUT ON THAT SITE.

UH, THEY WERE REQUESTING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, GETTING SEWER OVER THERE AND REZONING THE PROPERTY TO MAKE IT MORE VIABLE.

SO I REACHED MR. DAWSON.

I BEGAN DISCUSSING THINGS.

WE PUT TOGETHER A LITTLE COMMUNITY COMMITTEE AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON TRYING TO DO SOMETHING WITH THIS, UH, THE ENTIRE TIME AND WHAT WE CAME UP WITH IN A COMBINATION IN THE BLUE AREA, YOU CAN SEE THERE BESIDE, BEHIND IT, THERE'S TWO SHADES OF BLUE.

YOU HAVE THE DALE COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICT, AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE A DEL COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICT THAT ALLOWS SOME COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, UH, UP THERE AS WELL.

BUT WE HAVE A DELL COMMUNITY PRESERVATION COMMITTEE, UH, THAT SERVES ON THIS.

UM, JUST TO ORIENT YOU A LITTLE BIT, IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE LOW COUNTRY PRODUCE THAT'S UP, UH, ALONG THE 21 THERE, AND YOU'RE THE LITTLE VICO FARM SHREWD, UH, AREA RIGHT THERE.

UM, AND YOU ALL HAVE A PRE DUE DILIGENCE FOR THE LAND TO THE, UH, LAY OFF RIGHT THERE, WHERE SARAH WAS JUST WITH THE CURSOR FOR US TO DO A COMMUNITY FARM THERE, UH, THROUGH AND CRITICAL LANDS.

SO SARAH, IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, AND THE ONLY WAY YOU GET TO THIS PROPERTY IS BY THAT, UH, ROAD OFF KING'S NECK, UH, KING'S NECK AND MORGAN ROAD.

JOHN MEEKS ROAD GOES ALL THE WAY THROUGH FROM KINGDON THAT IN THE MORGAN ROAD, BOTH KINGS, NECK AND MORGAN, UH, INTERSECT WITH 21 JUST AFTER YOU CROSSED A WELL BRANCH.

SO IF YOU WILL LOOK, YOU WILL SEE THAT WE OWN OUR RIDEAWAY THAT GOES OUT TO HIGHWAY 21.

UH, THERE IS, UH, SHOWN, RIGHT? THEY ARE ON THIS MAP AS A 66 FOOT RIGHT AWAY FOR AN ACCESS ROAD.

SO THE PLAN WOULD BE, AND WHAT WE'VE TAUGHT WITH THE GROUP ABOUT IN THE COMMUNITY IS THAT THE COUNTY WOULD ACQUIRE ALL OF THE PROPERTIES WILL LICO CHEMICAL SITE, THOSE STREET PARCELS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ZONED TEACH YOU ARE, AND ALL OF THE VACANT, HEAVY INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY THAT YOU CAN SEE OUTLINED IN BRIGHT GREEN, UH, ON THE RIGHT SIDE, THERE THAT'S, THAT'S WETLANDS ON THAT PROPERTY.

AND I'M GOING TO GET TO THAT IN JUST A MOMENT, BUT WE WOULD ACQUIRE ALL OF THAT PROPERTY.

WE WOULD BUILD A ROAD FROM 21 DOWN THAT RAILROAD RIDE AWAY AND TO THE PROPERTY.

AND WE COULD TERMINATE JOHN MEEKS ROAD ON THE KING'S NECK END AND THE MORGAN ROAD.

AND IF YOU LOOK DOWN AT THE MORGAN ROAD SITE, THERE'S A BUNCH OF WETLANDS THERE AND THE ROAD ACTUALLY SPLITS A WETLANDS.

SO MY PLAN WOULD BE TO TAKE OUT THE ROAD, CALL IT THE PSYCHIC, RIGHT AT THE END OF SITE, 12 AND 14, AND RESTORE THAT WETLANDS AREA.

THAT WAY ANY TRUCK VEHICLE OR TRAFFIC INTO THIS INDUSTRIAL COMMERCE AREA WOULD BE DIRECTLY TO 21.

AND NO TRUCK TRAFFIC WOULD COME DOWN OFF OF KINGS NECK OR MORGAN ROAD AND NO EMPLOYEE TRAFFIC.

WE MAY KEEP THE EMERGENCY ACCESS, UH, ON JOHN MEEKS ROAD, OUT IN KINGSTON ROAD.

WHAT CAUSE US THE AREA NEAREST FIRE THE DEPARTMENT SO THAT THEY WOULD HAVE A QUICKER ROUTE INTO THE PROPERTY.

SO, UH, THE PLAN WOULD BE TO ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY TO DOWNS ON THE PROPERTY FROM HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, TO SOMETHING THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE AND ALIGNS WITH THE COMP PLAN, THE COMP PLAN CALLS FOR THIS AREA TO BE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES.

SO WE WOULD DOWNS ON IT,

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AND WE WOULD, AND THIS IS THE CLINCHER THAT EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE AWARE OF.

THE PROPOSAL WOULD INCLUDE, AND WE'VE WORKED ON BUFORD, JASPER WATER SANITATION WOULD INCLUDE EXTENDING THE SEWER LINE ACROSS THE WELL BRANCH ROAD, UP 21, TURNING IT DOWN, THAT RAILROAD RIDE AWAY AND TO THE PROPERTY.

AND WE WOULD AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO THAT.

THAT SEWER LINE EXTENSION IS ONLY ALLOWED TO BE USED AND CONNECTED TO FOR THE INDUSTRIAL, UH, COMMERCE AREA THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING YOU FOR.

JASPER WATER AND SANITATION HAS TOLD US THAT IF WE DO THAT, THEY WILL HOLD THE LINE ON THAT AND WILL NOT ALLOW ANY OTHER CONNECTIONS TO THAT SEWER LINE OR ALLOW ANY OTHER EXTENSIONS AS LONG AS WE ALIGN IT WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BECAUSE THAT'S A LOT OF USE TO REGULATE THE SEWER EXTENSION.

UM, WE WILL NEED TO DO A WETLANDS DELINEATION BECAUSE YOU SEE ALL OF THAT BRIGHT GREEN, UH, THERE ON THE PROPERTY.

UH, THAT'S, WHAT'S CURRENTLY SHOWN IN THE WETLANDS INVENTORY, NATIONAL WETLANDS INVENTORY.

WE DON'T THINK THERE'S THAT MUCH WET ONES ON THERE FOR THAT.

WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO HAVE APPRAISALS DONE.

WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO DO SOME SURVEY WORK POTENTIALLY.

AND WE'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO NEED TO HAVE PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO ENVIRONMENTAL DONE, UH, ON THE PROPERTY.

WE ARE PRETTY SURE THAT LIBIDO CHEMICAL SITE IS CLEAN, UH, IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING CLEANED UP AND THAT'S EITHER FINISHED OR USED TO BE UNFINISHED, BUT WE NEED TO INVESTIGATE THAT.

SO, UM, I'M FAMILIAR WITH A PHASE ONE PHASE, TWO OF NOT SABIKA, BUT THE ADJACENT PROPERTY, BUT IT WAS DONE IN 2012.

YEAH.

WE'LL HAVE TO, WE'LL HAVE TO REDO ALL OF THAT.

IT'D BE REDONE.

SO THERE'D BE, THERE'D BE PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO DONE ON EVERYTHING THAT'S SHOWING UP AS PARCELS.

BASICALLY WE DO A PHASE ONE.

AND IF THE PHASE ONE SHOWED ANYTHING THAT WE NEEDED TO LOOK AT IN A PHASE TWO WOULD DO A PHASE TWO.

YES.

ON ALL ON EVERYTHING.

THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY IN THE WHITE, AN AREA AROUND THE, UM, WELL, THE BRIGHT GREEN AREA AND THE GRAY AREA, BOTH SIDES OF THE, ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROOF, THE 200 APPROXIMATELY 200 ACRES.

SO THE 200 ACRES WOULD CONSIST OF EVERYTHING THAT'S NUMBERED THERE AND ALL OF THE GREEN AREA.

YEAH.

IF YOU FOLLOW THE WHITE BOUNDARY AROUND, YOU KNOW, IT KINDA BLEEDS FROM BRIGHT GREEN END OF INTO PALE GREEN, YOU FOLLOW THE WHITE BOUNDARY ALL AROUND.

YEAH.

UM, YEAH.

KEEP ON GOING DOWN, DOWN, DOWN, GO, GO ALONG MORGAN ROAD AND THEN BACK UP THAT WHITE LINE RIGHT THERE.

OKAY.

SO THAT ENTIRE AREA IS THE 242 ACRES, BUT 200.

IT'S ABOUT 223, I THINK.

OKAY.

AND HOW MANY OWNERS ARE INVOLVED IF YOU COULD TELL 2, 3, 3, 3 OWNERS? WELL, SO AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, THE LIABILITY FOR THE OLD CHEMICAL PLANT WOULD NOT BE DEPENDING ON THE DUE DILIGENCE, IF WE DO IT RIGHT, WE WOULD NOT BE, WE WILL NOT BE INCURRING ANY LIABILITY, COULD ACTUALLY BE A BENEFIT.

UH, WE'D GET CREDITS, UH, FOR REDEVELOPMENT OF, OF THE BROWNFIELD SITE.

SO IT COULD BE AN INCENTIVE FOR THE RIGHT COMPANY TO COME IN THERE AND REDEVELOP THAT PROPERTY.

AND IT WOULD BE A BIG BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE ONE, WE GET TO PUT HYDE, HIGHER TECH, CLEAN INDUSTRIES IN THERE BECAUSE THERE WILL BE SEWER AVAILABLE.

UH, WE WILL BE DOWN ZONING THE PROPERTY TO THAT.

WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO AND, UH, IN EXCESS OF 90% OF THE PEOPLE THAT SHOWED UP THAT MEETING, UH, WERE IN SUPPORT OF THIS PLAN.

I THINK I'VE OUT OF THE SEVERAL RESPONSES WE HAD FIVE OR SIX PEOPLE SAID THEY WERE NOT, THEY DID NOT SUPPORT THE PLAN.

I CAN'T GIVE YOU EXACT NUMBERS.

CAUSE A LOT OF HUSBAND AND WIVES WORK TOGETHER ON THE SURVEY WE GAVE OUT, BUT WE ONLY HAD FIVE SURVEYS OUT OF THE APPROXIMATELY 40 THAT WE GOT BACK, UH, THAT, UH, DID NOT SUPPORT THE PROPOSAL.

SO MOVING FORWARD, THE EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS FOR DUE DILIGENCE WOULD BE FOR WHAT IT WOULD BE FOR APPRAISALS, UPDATED APPRAISALS, ANY SURVEY WORK THAT'S NECESSARY, UH, WETLANDS, DELINEATION, UH, TO DETERMINE EXACTLY HOW MUCH DEVELOPABLE

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OKAY.

AND THE APPROXIMATE COST AND TIMELINE TO DO THIS, UH, THE COST WOULD BE PROBABLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 40 TO $65,000, DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH WE HAVE, HOW TO DO FAIRLY ACCURATE PHASE ONE PHASE TWO, BUT YOU'D PROBABLY BALLPARK.

UM, SO, UM, AND, UM, TIMEFRAME WOULD BE A MATTER OF HOW FAST WE CAN GET PEOPLE OUT THERE BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S SO BUSY RIGHT NOW.

SO I'M, I'M THINKING 3, 4, 5 MONTHS, AND ALL THREE OWNERS ARE INTERESTED IN SELLING.

UH, WE DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THE, UH, ASIAN GROUP, BUT THE, YEAH, THE, THE OTHER OWNERS ARE INTERESTED IN.

SO, UM, JELLY BALL WAS GOING TO DISCHARGE INTO THE MARSH.

WASN'T IT? THE RIVER IT WOULD HAVE, YES, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN GONE.

NO, THEY'RE NOT GOING NOW, BUT IT WOULD HAVE I'M BACK.

I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN RUMBLINGS ABOUT THEM COMING BACK AND NOT ANYTHING WITHIN SINCE UH COVID BUT THEY'RE STILL, THEY'RE STILL RUMBLINGS THAT THEY COULD COME POTENTIALLY COME BACK.

I'VE I'VE, I'VE SEEN THE ODOR PRODUCE.

I'VE SMELLED IT, NOT SEEN IT.

I'VE SMELLED THE ODOR PRODUCED BY THAT.

IT'S NOT YEAH.

AND EFFICIENT.

IN ADDITION TO THE, UM, THE APPROVING THIS PRESENTATION THAT WE MADE TO THEM, UM, WE FIRST, UH, PRESENTED TO THE, UH, DALE, UH, COMMUNITY PRESERVATION GROUP AND THEY APPROVED OF IT ALSO.

YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

AND THEN ALSO I'VE TALKED TO JUST SO YOU KNOW, SOUTHERN CAROLINA ALLIANCE, THEY HAVE A, THEY HAVE A GRANT APPLICATION PENDING, UH, AT THE STATE RIGHT NOW OF TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS TO HELP OUT WITH INFRASTRUCTURE.

SHOULD WE PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY? AND THERE ARE SOME UTILITY COMPANIES THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING IN AND HELPING US PURCHASE THE PROPERTY AS WELL.

THAT'S BEEN GLOVER SCREEN WITH IT IS ONE OF THE THREE POTENTIAL OWNERS IS NOT THE ASIAN GROUP.

THEY'RE NOT ONE OF THE THREE.

UH, THERE THEY ARE.

ONE OF THE THREE IS, UH, IS THE ASIAN GROUP A GROUP.

I'M NOT SURE THIS IS THE RIGHT THING, BUT TOTALLY TRASK IS THE OTHER OWNER.

AND THEN, UH, MITCHELL BROTHERS WOULD BE THE PHOTO.

OKAY.

SO TWO OF THE THREE IS INTERESTED IN ITSELF.

YEP.

OKAY.

THAT'S GREAT.

UM, NOW AT WHAT POINT IN TIME IS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMPANY, UH, INVOLVED IN THIS? I MEAN THEY PLAYED, THEY PLAYED A ROLE.

I'M NOT SURE.

UM, YOU KNOW, THEY PLAYED A ROLE IN DEVELOPING THIS PLAN AND LAYING IT OUT, UM, WITH US, UM, AND HELPED ME ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.

THEY'VE DONE SOME PRESENTATIONS ABOUT YOU ALL.

I DON'T THINK THIS IS THEIR HIGHEST PRIORITY AREA FOR A MARKETING STANDPOINT, BUT YOU'RE SEVEN AND A HALF MILES FROM, UH, 95.

AND YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, ABOUT AN HOUR AND 15 MINUTES INTO CHARLESTON, UH, LOCATED ON FOUR LANE ROADS.

UM, THE SITE IS, UH, IS AN IDEAL SITE.

I'M JUST WONDERING WHETHER, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORP, UM, BOYD IS INVOLVED IN THIS AND THEY, THEY CAN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING TO, WE OWN THE PROPERTY.

IS THAT WHAT IT IS? WELL, I MEAN, THE BOARD WILL PLAY A ROLE IN IT UNTIL WE, TILL WE ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY, THE DIRECTOR OF THE EDC JUNK MYSTRO TOOLS BEEN INVOLVED IN, IN THE, UH, IN THE DISCUSSION ON THIS PLAN AND BEEN INVOLVED IN THE PLANNING, RIGHT.

NOT, NOT IN EVERY MEETING AND NOT EVERY REGARD WITH NOT IN REGARDS TO EVERY DETAIL OF IT, BUT, BUT THEY ARE, THEY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED.

HE HAS BEEN INVOLVED WITH, I GUESS I'M ASKING A QUESTION BECAUSE IT'S A VERY SELFISH QUESTION FOR ME.

UM, UM, IF, IF, UM, TO MOVE PROJECTS ALONG, SHOULD I GO TO YOU OR SHOULD I GO TO JOHN OR TO, FOR MY DISTRICT? UH, IF YOU, UH, SO THEN I WOULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION AS EITHER A MR. O'TOOLE AND I HAVE A GREAT ORGAN RELATIONSHIP, UM, WHICH ONE, I GET THE ACTION OUT OF ANY SOMEBODY TO GET THAT, AND YOU WILL GET ACTION OUT OF BOTH OF US.

IF YOU COME TO ME, I'LL TALK TO HIM.

IF YOU GO TO HIM, HE'LL COME AND TALK TO ME, SAY, YOU'LL GET, YOU'LL GET ACTION.

SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHO YOU, WHO YOU PREFER TO FOR

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I MEAN, YOU AND I, YOU, AND I'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS AND, UH, AND YOU KNOW, I'LL BE DOING ALL OF THE GROUNDWORK ON THAT, UH, FOR YOU, UH, WITH MR. O'TOOLE.

I HAD ONE MORE QUESTION AND THEN I'LL OPEN IT BACK UP AGAIN.

DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY ACRES OR, OR MAYBE JOHN O'TOOLE KNOW ARE LEFT AT THE, UM, BUFORD INDUSTRIAL PARK FOR DEVELOPMENT, SPARK COMMERCE PARK, NOT INDUSTRIAL PARK COMMERCE, PART D THAT CAN BE DEVELOPED, IT'S NOT WETLANDS OR SOMETHING, OR 192 TOTAL.

UM, WE HAVE A 64,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING UNDER, UH, WELL, IT'S COMPLETED.

WE HAVE 32 OF THAT, UH, UH, ACTUALLY GOING TO LEASE WHICH THE COMPANY IS THEN GOING TO WANT TO BUILD 220,000 SQUARE FEET IN ADDITION TO THEIR LEASE.

SO WE PROBABLY ARE LIMITED, UH, I WAS ASKED, UH, UH, BY THE, UH, CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, UH, THURSDAY, HOW QUICKLY I THOUGHT THAT WAS GOING TO GO CONSERVATIVELY, I WOULD SAY, UM, UH, FIVE YEARS.

UH, IT MIGHT TAKE, I THINK, REALISTICALLY WITH THE EXCITEMENT WE'RE GETTING OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, IT MIGHT BE OFF THE MARKET AND TO, AND IT'S ALSO THE CAVEAT TO THAT IS THAT ANY PROJECT WE BRING IN THERE, WE RUN BY THE MARINE CORPS BECAUSE SOME OF IT IS IN THE CUSOS AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE, WE WANT TO, UH, BE, UH, UH, IN CONCERT WITH THEIR MISSION THERE.

AND SO, LIKE, WE'LL HAVE A FIBERGLASS COMPANY THAT CAN'T GO THERE BECAUSE OF THEIR RESIDENTS ARE, ARE ESPECIALLY VOLATILE.

SO, UH, I THINK AT SOMEWHERE, UH, TWO, THREE AND A HALF YEARS, WE'LL BE OUT OF PRODUCT AT THE COMMERCE PARK.

SO I DO THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE A QUICK LOOK AT THE PRODUCT PLAN THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU, UH, THAT INCLUDES THIS AND, AND OTHER SITES THROUGH THE COUNTY.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, ANYONE ONLINE? UM, MR. ROD? YEAH, A COUPLE OF THINGS.

UM, THE, A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE WILL STRIKE A DEAL AND MAKE IT SUBJECT TO DUE DILIGENCE.

AND IT SEEMS TO ME WE'RE DOING THE OPPOSITE IS THAT WE'RE DOING DUE DILIGENCE AND THEN GOING TO DECIDE WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

UM, AND IN DOING THAT, DO WE CREATE VALUE FOR THE, THE SELLERS THAT WE WOULD NOT, OTHERWISE WE COULD BUY A LOWER PRICE? AM I MISSING SOMETHING IN THAT SEQUENCE OF HOW TO GO ABOUT THESE THINGS? UH, W WE WILL DO IT EITHER WAY YOU ALL WOULD LIKE FOR US TO DO IT.

I JUST, UM, I WAS TRYING TO FOLLOW THE MODEL THAT WE USE FOR PURCHASE OF RURAL AND CRITICAL LANDS.

EVEN THOUGH THIS ISN'T A RUIN GRIDDLE LANDS, WHERE WE GO OUT AND DO THE DUE DILIGENCE SO THAT YOU ALL KNOW THAT YOU'RE INVESTING MONEY IN A CLEAN SITE, BUT WE CAN STRUCTURE THE DEAL, UH, WITH, UH, ANY WAY YOU ALL PROBABLY DO IT.

WELL, I TRUST YOUR JUDGMENT, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT.

IT DOESN'T MEAN SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.

UM, ALSO IF WE HAVE ONE OF THE THREE LANDOWNERS THAT IS NOT, MAY NOT BE WILLING TO SELL, UM, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT CAN BE PROBLEMATIC ALSO IN TERMS OF DEVELOPING THE WHOLE SITE, UH, W ARE THEY IN THE MIDDLE OF IT OR AT ONE EXTREME OF THE, UH, OF THESE PROPERTIES? WHERE DO THEY FALL IN THAT? I JUST DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF WE KNOW WHO TO TALK TO WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, WITH THAT PARTICULAR, WITH THAT TICKER AGREE BY MR. HAD TOLD, HAS BEEN MORE AT THE FOREFRONT OF THAT THAN I HAVE.

WE'VE BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH SOMEONE WITH AN ASIAN GROUP, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT THAT, UH, PERSON THAT IS REPRESENTING OR SAYS HE IS REPRESENTING THE ASIAN GROUP, UH, ACTUALLY HAS THE AUTHORITY TO REPRESENT THE ASIAN GROUP.

OKAY.

THAT'S WHY I LEAVE THAT OPEN, BUT YEAH, OBVIOUSLY, IF, IF ANY OF THESE THREE PARTS DON'T FALL INTO PLACE, DAN WE'RE, WE'RE WHERE WE CAN'T DO THE DEAL, AND WE JUST HAVE TO LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS AND HOPE FOR THE BEST.