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[6. Mr. & Mrs. Fiorvanti are requesting a Special Use Permit to construct An Essential Access with a Non-Tidal Wetland. Property is located near 20 River Cove Court, Bluffton. The property is zoned Crescent Planned Unit Development (PUD)]
A PERMIT FOR THAT.AND WE WENT THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS AND PURCHASE WETLAND CREDITS AND ALL THE OTHER CRITERIA THAT THEY REQUESTED OF US.
UM, AND BASED UPON THAT, UM, HEARING FROM THE ZBA TO CONTINUE TO PROCESS, BECAUSE IT WAS, UH, INITIAL APPLICATION APPLICATION TO PRESENT THIS SPECIAL.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR.
BUT THEN THERE MIGHT BE A YEAR PERIOD.
SO LONG AS DEVELOP HAS COMPLETED.
ONCE I GET BACK TO MY QUESTION, UH, I DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, BUT, UH, UM, AND DO ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT.
WE'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE COUNTY.
AND, UH, WE REVIEWED, AND THIS ACCESS IS NEEDED FOR THIS TO GET TO THIS PROPERTY.
APPARENTLY WHEN THE DEVELOPER DID CRESCENT THAT WAS LABELED FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND THEY NEVER CAME BACK TO DO ANYTHING.
SO THAT PARCEL IS JUST SITTING THERE BY ITSELF AND THIS BRIDGE TO GET OVER THE WHITE LINE TO GET TO THE CAR WE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.
SO WHAT ABOUT THIS LITTLE USE, I GUESS, WITHOUT HAVING THIS BRIDGE, THERE IS NO USE OF THE PROPERTY AND HE, HE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, THERE WOULD BE NO ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY FIRE MARSHALS AND NOT BE ABLE TO GET OVER IF YOU DO DECIDE TO BUILD A HOUSE.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. PORTER COUNTY? THIS CLEARLY LOOKS LIKE ONE OF THOSE CLASSIC SITUATIONS THAT DEFINITELY DESERVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UM, THANK YOU, MS. TAYLOR, I GUESS WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, CLEARLY THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SKILLS, THOSE PROPERTIES WITHOUT HAVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, I MEAN, IT'S OF NO USE.
UM, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, UH, WHEN ELSE WE CAN OPEN THIS UP FOR DISCUSSION OR WE CAN PUT A MOTION OUT.
YOU APPROVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UM, IT'S IN FRONT OF US, UM, SET FORTH IN DIVISION 7.2 0.130 TO CDC, UM, AS RECOMMENDED BY THAT SRG.
SO THE MOTION HAS BEEN MADE TO APPROVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SECOND ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION IN THE FIVE BY RIGHT HAND PAIN.
SO IT'S BEEN PASSED THAT ESPECIALLY USE HAS BEEN APPROVED.
SO YES, YOU CAN FOLLOW WITH THE COUNTY FROM THIS POINT ON, AND WE'LL INSTRUCT YOU IN WHERE YOU GO FROM THIS POINT.
IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO PUBLIC COMMENT CLOSED PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE.
SO, BUT THE COUNTY WILL, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN JUST GET BACK WITH THE COUNTY THEY'LL, YOU KNOW, LET YOU KNOW WHERE YOU GO AT FROM THIS POINT.
[8. Mr. & Mrs Gratton are requesting a variance to construct a carport three (3) feet from the side property line. Property is located 200 Old Plantation Drive W, Ladys Island. The property is zoned T2-Rural Neighborhood (T2RN)]
NOW TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, MR. AND MRS. BRIGHTON BRIGHTON, THE REQUESTING AN APPEARANCE FOR, TO CONSTRUCT A CARPORT THREE FEET FROM THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE UP IS LOCATED AT OLD PLANTATION DRIVE.LADIES ISLAND COME FORWARD AND LET US KNOW BEING HERE.
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GOOD EVENING.THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME HERE TONIGHT.
YOU HAVE THE PURPOSE OF COMING HERE.
MY WIFE AND I IS TO, UM, WE'RE REQUESTING THE VARIOUS TO PUT A CAR PORT ARRIVED, THREE FEET OFF OUR PROPERTY LINE AT 200 OLD, MY PATIENT DRIVE ON LADY'S ISLAND.
UM, I DID RECEIVE YOUR COMMENTS BACK FROM, UH, THE, UH, THE SUMMARY OF OUR REQUEST AND GOING IN THERE.
IT SAYS I HAVE A LOT PROPERTY AND AGAIN, YES, I DO HAVE A LOT OF PROPERTIES WITH MY PROPERTY.
THEY'RE VERY TIGHT ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF OUR BUILDING.
HAVE A 10 FOOT, ONE INCH SETBACK FROM THERE.
SO I CAN'T REALLY PUT ANYTHING ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, IN THE, IN THE, UH, IN THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, I HAVE, UH, MY SEPTIC TANK AND MY DRAIN FIELD.
AND, UH, I WON'T BE DOING ANYTHING IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY OF A GARAGE OR CARPORT.
I REALLY DON'T WANT TO DO ANYWAY, CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BLOCK IN THE HOUSE.
AND IN THE BACK WHERE I HAVE THE PROPERTY, IF I WENT 10 FEET ON THE ORIGINAL SETBACK, HE WAS SITTING BEHIND THE HOUSE AND PARTIALLY BEHIND THE HOUSE.
I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BAKKER BACK FROM BOATING AND BACKER TRAILER INTO THAT AREA AND STUFF.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M REQUESTING THE THREE FOOT TO PUT IT THAT WAY.
THEY ARE QUITE LINES UP MORE WITH OUR DRIVEWAY.
CAUSE OUR DRIVEWAY IS RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF OUR PROPERTY.
I DID LOOK AT A POSSIBLY MOVE IN THE GARAGE CARPORT AREA BACK A LITTLE BIT.
AND IT WAS ABOUT 55 FEET WHERE I FELT COMFORTABLE BEING ON THE BACK OF MY BOAT TO GET TO THAT AREA.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY IN THAT AREA THERE THAT'S, UH, THERE'S A LARGE OAK TREE LIVE OAK TREE.
THAT'S ON THE BOWMAN PROPERTY, WHICH IS TO MY LEFT RIGHT ON THE, UH, RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE AND, UH, THE LAMPS AND EVERYTHING OVERHANG THAT AREA THERE THAT, UM, IF I DID RE CONSTRUCT MY BUILDING IN THAT AREA, I'D PROBABLY BE ENCROACHING IN ON THE, THE, UM, THE LIMBS OF THE TREE AND ALSO DIGGING INTO THE ROOTS OF THE OAK TREE, WHICH I REALLY DON'T WANT TO DO TO FILL IT'S A LARGE OAK TREE.
AND SO, SO MY BIGGEST THING IS LOOKING AT WHAT I HAVE.
I THINK THAT THE, MY THREE FOOT SETBACK, THE WAY HE LOOKED MY LINES UP WITH MY GARAGE AND MY DRIVEWAY, UH, I THINK IT'S, THAT'S THE BEST PLACE FOR ME TO, TO PUT THIS.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, YEAH, I HAVE ONE.
THIS IS WALTON GROVE, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
AND THERE'S COVENANTS OUT THERE ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO.
UH, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FROM THE POA? UM, I GOT THIS AFTER I SUBMITTED, LET ME READ IT AND GIVE IT TO YOU.
I THINK WE GOT BASICALLY WHAT IT STATES IS THAT THEY ARE, UM, THE WALNUT GROVE ARB FOLLOWS THE DUPER COUNTY REGULATIONS AND THE COUNTY CONSENSUS OF THE VARIANTS.
THEN THE ARB WOULD ALSO GRANT THAT DARIOUS.
IS THERE ANY SETBACKS THAT, THAT YOU ARE AWARE OF WITHIN THE COVENANTS OF WILDLAND GROVE? NOT THAT I KNOW OF.
UM, AND GROWTH SETBACKS, WHERE THERE CAN BE THERE 10 FEET.
BEFORE WE GO INTO FURTHER, I GUESS.
I LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE COUNTY TODAY, WE PROBABLY COME BACK TO HIM, BUT DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU.
CAN WE HEAR FROM THE COUNTY COUNTY RECOMMENDED DISAPPROVAL BECAUSE, WELL, NUMBER ONE, I FOUND THOSE COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS THAT SAID ONLY 25%.
UM, OH, VARIANTS CAN BE GRANTED.
SO THAT WOULD PUT HIM AT 6.5 FEET.
THE COUNTY IS ALLOWED TO DO A, UM, A THREE-FOOT MODULATION OR 20%, WHICHEVER IS GREATER.
BUT BECAUSE OF THESE COVENANTS THAT STATES THAT HE CAN ONLY GET 25%, I, I CAN'T HELP HIM.
SO THAT 25% WILL BE WHAT, BETWEEN 72.5, SEVEN AND A HALF FEET AND A HALF FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, THE PROPERTY LINE.
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AND I WISH HE HAD SHOWN US THE TREE AND ALL THAT STUFF THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SHOW HOW WE DO THINGS.AND SOMETIMES YOU CAN LIMIT A TREE AND NOT KILL IT IN YOUR GARAGE.
SO I, IT'S HARD TO, AND I DON'T THE PROPERTIES ONE POINT ALMOST AN ACRE AND A HALF.
I MEAN, SPEEDING UP TO ACCOMMODATE AND MEET THE SETBACKS IS, YOU KNOW, WOULD IT BE BETTER JUST FROM A PERSPECTIVE INSTEAD OF GOING TOWARDS THE CRITICAL LINE, KEEPING IT BACK.
I WAS TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT THEY HE'S ABOUT.
I DON'T HAVE A MEASUREMENT HERE, BUT HE'S WAY, WAY FAR FROM OH, RIGHT, RIGHT.
BUT, BUT ISN'T, IT BETTER TO BE FARTHER IF HE HAD TO MOVE IT BACK AND, AND, AND TAKE OUT A BIG OAK TREE.
I WAS THINKING MAYBE THE TRADE-OFF HERE AND THEN A LITTLE BIT OVER AND MEET THE 25% THAT THEY CAN GIVE HIM.
SO YOU'RE SAYING IF HE WAS AT SEVEN FEET, WE COULD, WE COULD, I COULD HAVE GRANTED A MODULATION TO THE 10 FOOT SETBACK.
IF THE COVENANTS DIDN'T SAY, YOU KNOW, MINE IS THREE FEET OR 20%, WHICHEVER IS GREATER.
IT WOULD BE INTERESTED IN FEEL LIKE WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION BEFORE WE CAN MAKE A DECISION ON THAT TREE AND WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT.
WELL, I'M NOT SURE WE CAN GO AGAINST THEIR COVENANTS THE MOST THAT WE COULD GIVE HIM.
MAYBE GRANT THE 25% RENT A WAIVER.
AND JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR, THE, THE LETTER FROM THE ARB WAS JUST STATING THAT THEY WOULD GRANT THEIR VARIANCE TO THE FULL EXTENT, THE GRANT HOURS, IF YOU NORMALLY, THAT'S NOT THE WAY, IF THEY THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO GRAB AND THEY CAN WAIT THEIR SETBACKS AND I'M NOT AWARE THAT THEY'VE DONE THAT THEY CAN WAIT THEY'RE SETBACK.
THEY CAN WAVE AT 25% ACCORDING TO THE COVENANTS.
AND YOU, WE CAN ONLY MODULATE THREE FEET.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT A TWO AND A HALF VERSUS THREE FEET.
I MEAN, ANY WAY WE CAN FIT IT IN THIS SEVEN FEET FROM THE SIDE SETBACKS.
AND WOULD THAT BE, THAT'D BE ENOUGH FOR THEM TO DO WHAT YOU NEED? WELL, HE CAN ANSWER THAT'S ABOUT A TREE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT TREE IS AT THE FLAT DOESN'T SHOW ANY OF THAT STUFF.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE LET'S BRING THEM BACK UP HERE.
ARE YOU HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
SO YOU'LL COME IN AND SAYS THAT IT CAN GIVE YOU 25% OF YOUR SIDE SET BACK, WHICH IS TWO AND A HALF FEET MAYBE.
AND THE COUNTY COULD MODULATOR THREE FEET FROM YOUR SIDE PROPERTY LINE.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD WORK WITH? SO YOU'RE SAYING I CAN, I GREW A SET BACK FROM WALLING GRILL.
NO, YOU HAVE TO BE SEVEN AND A HALF OR SEVEN FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING PROHIBITING YOU FROM AGAIN IN THAT AREA? THERE TOO.
IT'S STILL, THE SHOP WOULD BE BEHIND THE HOUSE.
SO I DO, I WILL HAVE TO MOVE IT BACK.
BUT THAT'S THE MOST THAT WE CAN DO BECAUSE OF THE COVENANTS.
I MEAN, YOU DO HAVE COVENANTS THAT PRETTY MUCH STATES THAT YOU HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE TWENTY-FIVE FEET.
BUT IF THE COUNTY WOULD SAY, I COULD GO TO THE THREE FOOT AND THEN OUR COVENANT, THEY WOULD OVERRIDE OUR COVENANTS.
BUT IT'S NOT ALL
IF THEY WOULD, WOULD GRANT A VARIANCE THAT WE GRANTED UP TO THREE FEET, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS, WITH OUR POWERS.
I MEAN, THEY WOULD, IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANTED TO SEE BEFORE THEY GRANTED IT, I'M NOT SURE, YOU KNOW, BUT RIGHT HERE THEY'D HAVE TO AMEND IT OR DO SOME SORT OF, CAUSE THE HARDSHIP
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IS THAT THEY DISCUSSED SEEMS TO BE JUST FOR THAT 25%.I WAS JUST MAKING SURE THAT HOW FAR BACK IS THIS TREE FROM WHERE YOU'RE CURRENTLY AT 55 FEET.
SO YOU CAN CERTAINLY MOVE IT BACK.
I'M STILL GETTING INTO THE, THE, UH, UM, CAN'T BE OF THE TREE.
SO YOU DON'T WANT TO, YOU DON'T WANT TO, WELL, I'M NOT TELLING YOU WHAT TO DO, BUT TRIMMING YOUR TREE IS NOT A OPTION FOR YOU.
UH, UM, IT WAS BASICALLY A TREE THAT'S SHARED BY THE BOWMANS AND OURS.
IT'S ON THE BOWMAN PROPERTY ITSELF.
BUT MY LOT MO MOST OF THE LIMBS ARE ON THAT.
AND IT'S A, IT'S A HUGE LIVE OAK.
AND I KNOW THIS BOWMAN HAS SOME THE SIZE OF IT AND, AND SOME PHOTOS OF IT THAT IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THAT, NO.
WELL, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET TO THE HARDSHIP.
I LOOK, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO CUT ANYTHING OUT.
I DON'T WANT, BUT, BUT WE'RE LIMITED TO DO AND GIVING YOU SEVEN FEET BECAUSE OF THE COVENANTS AND IT ACTUALLY, IT'S SO IMPORTANT PIPE, RIGHT? WE'LL GIVE YOU SEVEN.
WE'RE GIVING YOU AN EXTRA HALF A FOOT.
IN OTHER WORDS, WE JUST, YOU KNOW, WE TRYING TO WORK WITH YOU, BUT WE TRYING TO FIND YOUR HARDSHIP HERE AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE TO GRANT A VARIANCE, I'M STRUGGLING WITH THE HARDSHIP.
BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE PROPERTY, YOU HAVE ROOM THERE.
AND UH, BUT JUST THE WAY IT, THE WAY, THE WAY THE BUILDING WAS SET UP WITH THE HOUSE AND STUFF, IT WAS NOT QUITE, LIKE I SAID, MY SIDES ARE VERY, VERY LIMITED AND VERY, VERY TIGHT AND, YOU KNOW, YEAH, I CAN, I CAN DO SOMETHING.
I CAN MAKE A CONCRETE ROAD ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE CRITICAL LINE AND STUFF.
YOU KNOW, I WANT TO TRY TO MAKE IT LOOK GOOD WITH THE HOUSE.
I'M TRYING TO MAKE IT LOOK GOOD WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WOULD IT BLOCK THE VIEWS OF THE NEIGHBORS IF YOU MOVED IT BACK? YOU KNOW, UH, AS RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NO HOME NEXT TO ME ON THE ONE SIDE.
WELL, IN YOUR CURRENT PLAN, HOW FAR IS IT AWAY FROM THE HOUSE NOW YOU CAN'T TELL BY LOOKING AT, YEAH, I SAY MY DRIVEWAY IS A 15 FOOT, THREE FOOT OFF, UH, IN THE BUILDING IS 16 GOING ACROSS.
SO IT'S BASICALLY, I'D SAY PROBABLY TWO FEET OFF THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE IN THE BACK.
AND IF I MOVE IT OVER TO THE SEVEN MORE FEET THAN IT WOULD BE PROBABLY NINE TO 10 FOOT LINE, NOW YOU SURELY CAN MOVE IT FOUR FEET COMPROMISE AND THEN WOULD GET ME TO SIX FEET BEHIND THE HOUSE.
AND THEN I STILL HAVE TO MOVE IT BACK SOMEWHERE BACK.
IS THIS A BUILDING YOU BRING IN OR SOMETHING YOU'RE GOING TO CONSTRUCT YOURSELF CONSTRUCT.
SO YOU CAN ALMOST WORK WITH YOUR SIZE OF YOUR BUILDING TO ACCOMMODATE YOUR SIDE SET BACKWARDS AS WELL.
MAYBE I'LL MAKE IT SMALLER AND SMALLER.
IT'S CAN, YOU CAN MAKE IT LONGER.
YOU GOTTA BE ABLE TO GET, WELL, I GUESS AT THE END OF THE DAY WHERE WE'RE AT IS CAN YOU WORK WITH THE SEVEN FEET OFF OF THE PROPERTY INSIDE PROPERTY? I GUESS.
SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO WORK WITH AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO WORK.
SO THAT'S A FOUR-FOOT DIFFERENCE, CORRECT? FROM THE, FROM YOU WANTED A THREE-FOOT AND WORKING GIB, I MEAN, YOU WANTED A SEVEN FOOT, WE CAN GIVE THREE FEET.
SO THAT'S A POOR FOOT DIFFERENCE IN THE WIDTH.
AS LONG AS IT'S SEVEN FEET OFF FROM THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, YOU REALLY DON'T NEED A VARIANCE IF YOU CAN WORK WITHIN THAT BECAUSE THE COUNTY CAN OFFER THAT MODULATION.
THAT'S ALL I CAN GET THEN THAT'S IT.
THAT'S ALL I CAN GET, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
SO, I MEAN, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, YOU CAN JUST GO BACK WITH THE COUNTY AND THEY CAN, I MEAN, DO THAT IN THE ZONING DEPARTMENT.
SO YOU WOULD NEED A VARIANCE, BUT IS IT STILL USABLE IN THAT AREA? IF YOU ONLY HAD THE FOUR? I HAVE TO PUSH IT BACK.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T KNOW THE SEVEN FOOT I CAN
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GO.I CAN FIGURE OUT THE SEVEN FOOT AND SEE HOW MUCH I HAVE TO PUSH IT BACK NOW TO MAKE IT WORK.
AND, UH, I KNOW IT'S STILL PUSHING IT BACK.
SO, SO YOU WILL, SO THAT'S YOUR, YOU, YOU GOING TO JUST GO AHEAD, BACK TO THE COUNTY AND WORK WITH THE SEVEN FEET? I MEAN, I MEAN, IT'S BASED ON THE COVENANT AND BASED ON WHAT THE COUNTY CAN DO.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ALMOST GIVE, YOU CAN WORK WITH THE SEVEN FOOT THERE.
THAT WOULD BE YOUR BEST OPTION BASED ON WHAT I'M SEEING BEFORE ME HERE.
YOU NEED TO, YEAH, I GUESS I, TO THE COUNTY AND STUFF, WHEN I WENT TO THEM ORIGINALLY, UM, MS. HILLARY SAID THAT SHE COULD GIVE ME THE THREE FOOT AND THAT'S WHY I'M HERE THIS EVENING.
SHE SAID SHE COULD GIVE YOU THE THREE FOOT, EIGHT FOOT FROM THE 10, WHICH MEANS THREE FOOT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
NO THREE FOOT FROM THE 10TH FEET, WHICH IS THE, THAT'S THE MODULATION.
THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD BE SEVEN FEET OFF FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
THAT'S WHAT SHE'S PROBABLY ALLUDING TO.
WELL, I WAS ASKING FOR THREE FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE AND SHE TOLD ME I COULD USE, I COULD GIVE YOU THE THREE FEET IF IT'S COMING OFF THE OTHER WAY, THEN THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID.
I DIDN'T TAKE IT THAT WAY, BUT YEAH.
CAUSE THE COUNTY CAN GIVE YOU THE MODULATION TO THREE FEET OFF OF THE TENT AND THEN YOUR COVENANT IS GIVING YOU A 25%, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, TWO AND A HALF FEET.
SO THAT THE COUNTY HAS GIVEN YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WHAT YOUR COVENANT IS GIVING YOU, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO YOU WANT TO WANT US TO WITHDRAW YOUR APPLICATION? NOT RIGHT NOW.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST AND AFTER THAT ONE.
DO YOU HAVE, WE'VE GOT THE FULL 10 FEET ON BOTH SIDES OF THE HOUSE.
WELL, ANY MORE QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
[9. Public Comment (Comments Limited to Three (3) Minutes)]
FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER NINE, MS. AMY BOWMAN.I JUST SAW I'D AGREE WITH THAT.
I OWN A LOT TOO FOR OLD PLANTATION DRIVE, WHICH IS RIGHT NEXT TO JAY AND CINDY GRADIN.
UM, WHEN THE VARIANCE REQUEST WAS, UM, THAT THAT PROCESS WAS A MOTION.
UH, JAY AND CINDY APPROACHED US, MY HUSBAND AND I CRAIG TO SEE IF WE WERE INTERESTED, OKAY.
WITH THE VARIANCE, WE SUPPORTED THE VARIANCE BECAUSE THE GREG'S DRIVEWAY IS ON OUR, ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
THE DRIVEWAY SITS DIRECTLY ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
THE TREE THAT'S IN QUESTION IS SHARED BY BOTH OF US.
I HAVE THE TREE AND TOPO THAT WE HAD DONE IN 2019.
WHEN WE PURCHASED A LOT, THE BASE OF THE TREE IS 55 INCHES IN DIAMETER.
SO THAT ROOT SYSTEM IS EXPANSIVE.
SO WHERE HE IS WANTING TO PLACE THAT DETACHED GARAGE AREA IS DIRECTLY RIGHT BEHIND WHERE THAT DRIVEWAY IS THAT SITS ON THE PROPERTY LINE IS STATICALLY.
IT MAKES SENSE FOR IT TO BE THERE, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT'S GOING TO KEEP THERE FROM BEING ANY INTERFERENCE WITH THAT TREE THAT BOTH OF US SHARE.
THAT THAT TREE IS, IS MY MAIN CONCERN.
IT'S, WE'VE TAKEN A LOT OF TIME TO MAKE SURE WE'VE HAD TREE COMPANIES OUT IT'S BEEN SUPPORTED.
UM, SO I, I WOULD JUST ASK IF IT IS POSSIBLE, I'M CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE REGULATIONS, BUT PLEASE KNOW WHERE THAT DRIVEWAY SITS.
THAT DRIVEWAY IS RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND ALL HE IS WANTING TO DO IS PUT THAT DETACHED GARAGE JUST RIGHT BEHIND WHERE THAT DRIVEWAY SITS RIGHT NOW.
AND WE ABSOLUTELY, AS HIS NEIGHBORS SUPPORT THAT HAPPENING AND THAT'D BE THE LE THE LEAST IMPACTFUL, SIR, THAT WOULD BE THE LEAST IMPACTFUL.
IT LOOKS VERY, AT LEAST IMPACTFUL, AESTHETICALLY LEAST IMPACTFUL AS WELL.
BUT, UM, I DO HAVE THE TREE AND TOPO, IF YOU WANT TO REVIEW THAT, TO SEE THE, TO SEE THE DIAMOND OR THE TREE, IF YOU NEED THAT RIGHT THERE IS HIS HOUSE ON IT IS HIS HOUSE ON IT.
WE OWNED THOSE LOTS THAT WE JOINED INTO.
SO IT'S ONE, THAT'S THE TREE RIGHT THERE IN THE DRIVEWAY.
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THERE.THAT'S THE CORNER AND THE FRONT OF THEIR LOT.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S CUT OFF ON THAT ONE SIDE.
YOU, HIS DRIVEWAY RPO, LITERALLY, THAT'S KIND OF TOUGH BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY TO CHANGE THE COVENANTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, CORRECT.
FROM A VARIANT STANDPOINT, IF WE WERE TO GRANT A VEER AND JUST SAY, WE WERE THIS HYPOTHETICAL TOO, TO BE ALLOWED, THAT WOULD, COULD WE SAY BASED ON THE APPROVAL OF THE WALTON GROVE? WELL, THEY SENT US HERE.
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE'VE ALREADY SPOKEN WITH THE PRESIDENT OF HR, WHY WE TALKED TO THE ARB, ALL OF THEM DIRECTED US YOUR WAY THAT SAID, AS LONG AS THE VARIANCE WAS GRANTED, AS LONG AS YOU, THAT IS THE NEIGHBORS HAVE NO PROBLEM.
WE TOLD THEM WE ABSOLUTELY SUPPORTED THE VARIANT.
SO IT'S KIND OF GOING BACK AND FORTH.
SO THEY'RE TELLING US TO COME HERE, THUS, YOU KNOW, THE HOA AWARE THAT THERE IS COVENANTS ON THIS, THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOA FOR FIVE OR SIX YEARS, THEY'RE NOT NEW TO, I MEAN, IF WE FOUND THAT IF WE WORKED TO FIND A HARDSHIP, TO BE ABLE TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, THE, TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT OF THE TREES, UM, AND KEEP IT NOT GOING FARTHER TOWARDS THE RIVER, UM, I'M ASKING Y'ALL THIS TOO.
COULD WE, YOUR INSIDE HARDSHIP, COULD WE, BASED ON THE APPROVAL OF THE WINE GROVE PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION, WE CAN GO FURTHER.
THE MIND WILL AND GRIT CAN WAIVE SETBACKS AND IT HAS AND DOES, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, GOT ONE RIGHT HERE THAT THEY'VE DONE BEFORE, WHERE THEY ARE, SEE, WAIT, I SIT BACK FOR VIOLATION.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING OFFICIAL LIKE THAT INDICATION FROM THE ARC OF, OF WILL AND GROOVE THAT THEY COULD CERTAINLY PUT THAT THEY FOUGHT AS WE ARE.
WE HAVE NOT BUILT ON THAT LAW.
WE HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE IRB PERSONALLY, OUR, UH, WE'RE GETTING READY TO PULL THE TRIGGER BAR.
UM, THAT BUILDING HAS BEEN DISCUSSED WITH US MULTIPLE TIMES FROM THE ARV AND FROM THE INSURER WAY, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PAYING.
AND WHEN I RECEIVED NOTIFICATION VIA MAIL ABOUT THE VARIANCE REQUESTS, SO OF OUR, FROM THE NEIGHBOR STANDPOINT, FROM THAT SHARING THAT TREE, KNOWING THAT THAT DRIVEWAY RIGHT NOW LITERALLY SITS ON OUR PROPERTY LINE AND YOU TAKE ONE STEP OFF OF THE GRASS DRIVEWAY, AND YOU ARE ON OUR LOT, THAT, THAT DETACHED STRUCTURES, JUST TO GO NICELY, RIGHT.
BETWEEN WHERE THAT LIVE OAK IS NOT IMPEDING THAT LINE OF AND RIGHT AT THE EDGE OF HIS DRIVEWAY.
WE MAY ASK YOU SOMETHING, THE ARB SET THAT RULE, CORRECT ABOUT THE SETBACK BARRIER.
WHAT I'M ASKING IS THAT'S YOUR THAT'S THERE ALL DUE RESPECT SAID THAT THIS IS YOUR THAT'S RIGHT.
AND THEN WE MAKE THEM THE BARRIERS.
VERY CURIOUS POSITION WITH ALL THE RESPECT OF THE CUSTOMER.
WE'RE TRYING TO FOLLOW THE PROTOCOL OF GENERATING AS, AS NEIGHBORS ANSWERING EMAILS SAYING, DO YOU SUPPORT? I ANSWER EMAILS.
I'M ATTENDING THIS MEETING AFTER WORK.
WE LET THE ARB, THE HOA IS EVERY TIME.
I THINK ULTIMATELY THE QUESTION IS MORE DRESSED IN MR. GRIT, NOT WAIT FOR THE BACK.
WHAT'D HE SAY, DOES MR. GRETTON IS THE APPLICANT.
SO, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, WE DID THE ESCALATION.
ALL SHE IS HERE TOO, IS TO HAVE TO SAY WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF SHE'S FINISHED, THEN YOU KNOW, BUT SHE'S NOT THE APPLICANT.
ARE YOU THE SIDE THAT HASN'T BUILT YET, OR YOU THE VACANT LOT OR THAT YOU ARE THE VACANT LOT AND YOUR HOUSE I PRESUME WILL GO FARTHER.
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SO IMPACT.WE ARE, WE ARE, WE WILL DIRECTLY BE THE NEIGHBOR FACING THAT THIS WILL BE TO OUR SIDE, THIS DESTROYED THEIR DRIVEWAYS ALREADY.
SO THERE'S ENOUGH PROPERTY THERE.
YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE YOUR HOUSE.
SO IF SOMEONE DROVE DOWN THE STREET, THEY'RE GOING TO THINK OUR HOUSE WILL NOT COMBINED TO ONE ACRE LOT.
SO OUR HOUSE WILL NOT SPAN THE ENTIRE DAY.
WE WILL BE MORE CENTRAL IN OUR DRIVE WILL BE DOWN THE MIDDLE.
SO NOBODY'S GOING TO KNOW HE'S THAT CLOSE TO THE LOT LINE THAT DRIVES BY.
THE REASON I ASKED WHAT I ASKED WAS BECAUSE, UM, MR. MITCHELL MADE A GOOD SUGGESTION ABOUT, UH, GIVEN THAT THEY CHANGED THEIR RULE.
WE CAN DO THIS, GIVEN THAT THEY CHANGED THEIR RULE.
I WANT TO SEE THAT COMING THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION THAT THEY CHANGED THE RULE AND THEN REQUEST OF US RATHER THAN US PUTTING IT OUT THERE.
LET'S PUT THE RESPONSIBILITY ON WHO HAS THE, WHO HAS THE REGULATION.
SO WHAT THEY COULD SAY TO YOU, SIR, IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OKAY, GIVEN THAT WE SUPPORTED THE, SEE WHAT I'M SAYING, AND THEN THEY COME BACK AS OUR REGULATION.
THEN WE GET ANOTHER DECISION TO MAKE BETTER THAN US DOING IT AND HAVING THEM DO IT BECAUSE IT'S YOUR REGULATION.
IF THE COUNTY WOULD SUPPORT IT, THEY WOULD SUPPORT.
SO I'M SAYING THEN THEY CAN SUPPORT.
UH, JUST, JUST SO, UM, WE, AS THE NEIGHBOR, WE HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING.
SO AT THIS POINT FOR MR AND MRS. GRANT, AND FOR MYSELF, IS THIS GOING TO BE IN WRITING, I GUESS, FOR US TO RELAY WHAT THEY ARE WANTING TO SAY, WE'RE JUST CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE HERE.
YOU UNDERSTAND? YOU'RE SUPPORTIVE.
YOU FINISHED WITH YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT.
THE DAVID ISLAND, URBAN OR, UH, MY WIFE EITHER.
WE CERTAINLY HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THIS GRANTING THE, UH, UH, THE, UM, UM, VARIANTS HERE.
AND YOU SAID YOU ARE THE, WHERE THE BUTTER'S ON THE OTHER ON THE EASTERN SIDE.
SO THE ABUTTERS ON BOTH SIDES ARE IN FAVOR OF GRANTING THIS.
SO NOW LET'S, I WOULD CERTAINLY CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
IS ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT.
WHERE ARE WE GOING TO CLOSE THAT PUBLIC COMMENT? 40.
UM, ONE MORE QUESTION FOR THE COUNTY HILARY ON THESE COVENANTS, THEY WERE DONE IN AUGUST OF 1989 FOR, THEY MADE PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN.
DO THEY STAND FOREVER AS WHAT I'M GETTING AT? UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAST OR SECOND TO LAST PAGE, IT CONTINUES BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE EXPIRE KNOW RENEWS ITSELF, UM, EVERY 10 YEARS, UH, YEAH, THESE COVENANTS ARE TO RUN WITH THE LAND AND AUTOMATICALLY EXTEND UP THAT WERE RUN THROUGH DECEMBER, 2009, AFTER WHICH TIME SAID COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS SHALL BE AUTOMATICALLY EXTENDED FOR PERIODS OF SUCCESSIVE PERIODS OF 10 YEARS ON LESS THAN INSTRUMENT IS SIGNED BY 60% OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN WALLIN GROVE TO, TO CHANGE ANYTHING.
YOU KNOW, IF WE DID FIND A HARDSHIP AND I THOUGHT WE, WE, WE COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, AS WE WOULD GRIN THAT BEARINGS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO OVERRIDE THE COVENANTS.
UM, THAT WOULD BE WHEN IT JUST PUSH IT ONTO THE COVENANTS OR WOULD THAT PUT US IN CONFLICT WITH THE CO IT COULD POTENTIALLY PUT US IN, OKAY.
I WAS JUST CONTRARY TO COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS BECAUSE THEY, THEY ENTERED INTO THAT WHEN THEY MOVED IN.
UM, BUT THEY COULD COME BACK WITH THE COVENANT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION HAVE COME BACK AND SAID THAT THEY WOULD SUPPORT, UH, UM, THREE FOOT SINCE THE DRIVEWAY'S ALREADY, THEY ARE RIGHT.
THEN WE COULD COME BACK FOR A VARIANCE AND, AND DECIDE IF WE WANTED
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TO GRANT ONE.IT JUST SO I'M CLEAR THE, UH, SIT BACK ON THE, UNDER THE COVENANTS IS TWENTY-FIVE PERCENT.
THAT'S WHAT FRIENDS, A WAIVER OF 20, YOU CAN GO AND THEY CAN GRANT A VARIANCE OF 25% OF THE 10 FOOT SETBACK.
BUT, BUT THE COUNTY CAN ONLY GRANT A MODULATION MODULATION OF THREE FEET OR 20%.
WHICHEVER IS GREATER, WHICH IS, IT WAS TWO AND A HALF IN THREE TIMES.
AND MY NEXT QUESTION, DO YOU HAVE, THEIR DRIVEWAY IS ALREADY ON THE THREE FOOT DRIVEWAY STRUCTURES.
BUT THEY DON'T COUNT AS BUILDINGS SO THEY CAN BE UP TO THE PROPERTY LINES.
JUST OUR OFFENSE, UNLESS THE COVENANT SAY SOMETHING.
SO THERE'S ONE OR TWO THINGS WE CAN RULE ON BASED ON WHAT'S BEFORE US TODAY, WHAT'S THE FOREST NOW, OR WOULD THE APPLICANT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CONTINUE WAITING? WE'LL GET BACK TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
I GUESS I'D LIKE TO GO BACK TO OUR HOA.
YOU CAN ASK THEM AND SEE WHAT OUR HARDSHIP IS WITH THAT TREE AND KIND OF SEE IF THEY CAN GRANT ME THE THREE-FOOT VARIANTS.
AND OBVIOUSLY I'LL COME BACK, MR. GRETTON.
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A WAIVER OF THE SETBACK THAT WALTON GROVE IS ENTERED INTO BEFORE ULTIMATELY RECREATES A WAIVER OF A SETBACK FOR THE DEVELOPER EARLIER IN THAT.
WELL, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THIS IS WHAT HE NEEDS.
I WOULD SUPPOSE HE NEEDS TO COME TO US WITH IS A WAIVER FROM THE ARC.
OBVIOUSLY IT MIGHT NOT BE THAT'S RECORDED IN THE REGISTER OF DEEDS.
THIS MIGHT NOT BE BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT AT THE POINT WHERE WE'RE READY TO GO, BUT THAT SOMETHING IT, UH, EXECUTED BY THE ARC OR ON BEHALF OF THE ASSOCIATION WOULD PROVIDE PRETTY GOOD EVIDENCE OF BEING KING.
BUT AT LEAST YOU HAVE A SOLUTION THAT MEETS YOUR NEED, HOPEFULLY.
SO AT THIS POINT, YOU WANT US TO JUST CARRY THIS, CONTINUE THIS UNTIL WHAT FOR TWO MONTHS, OR HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THIS WOULD? WELL, I GUESS ONE, CAN I COME BACK TO YOU GUYS? IT'D BE A MONTH A MONTH IF YOU CONTINUE TO, IF WE ALL VOTED AND SAID NO, BECAUSE WE'RE IN CONFLICT DIRECTLY WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT IN FRONT OF US WITH THE CUP, BUT THE COVENANTS YOU'D HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR.
SO IF YOU WERE GOING BACK TO THEM TO GET THE APPROPRIATE PAPERWORK, I WOULD, CAN YOU PROBABLY WANT TO CONTINUE IT IF YOU WANTED TO, ALL HE WOULD HAVE TO DO IS GO BACK TO HILARY OR THE ZONING, CORRECT WITH THAT BECAUSE SHE COULD GRANT THE, MY JOYCE THAT'S RIGHT.
WE'D HAVE TO, WE'D HAVE TO GIVE HIM A, UH, A LARGER ONE BASED ON THE HARDSHIP.
OR, OR COULD YOU DO THAT AT THE MODULATION? IS THAT NO, HE, SHE COULD ONLY GET THREE THE WAY UP TO THREE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
I CAN'T THREE FEET, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE TREE ON HIS PROPERTY SO THAT WE CAN SEE HOW FAR WE ARE FROM THAT TREE.
I WANT TO KNOW WHERE THAT TREE IS IN RELATIONSHIP.
IF THAT'S GOING TO BE THE HARDSHIP HE NEEDS GROUP IT.
SO HOW LONG DO YOU, SO WE WANT TO JUST CONTINUE THIS FOR THE NEXT MONTH AND I'LL SAY FOR NEXT MONTH, AND YOU HAVE TO GET WITH HILLARY TO GET IT IN, YOU KNOW, SO THEY CAN DO THE PROPER NOTICE AND, RIGHT, RIGHT.
SO WE WILL CONTINUES TO APPLY NEXT MONTH MEETING.
UM, I GUESS WE NEED TO PUT, AND SO WOULD HE BE PROVIDING THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A TREE AND TOPA AND THE ARV OF THEIR SETBACK VIOLATIONS INFORMATION WOULD BE WHERE THE TREE IS AND THEN THE PAPERWORK WOULD BE THE WAIVER FROM, YEAH.
AND I WOULD SAY JUST THE LOW LOCATION OF THAT ONE TREE THAT HE WOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE THE ENTIRE PROPERTY AND THE HOUSE MARKED.
I DON'T KNOW IF, IF Y'ALL MAKE THE MOTION.
THIS MAKE A MOTION TO, LET'S PUT A CONTINUOUS MOTION TO TABLE.
IS THAT A GOOD WAY OF SAYING IT TO TABLE THIS, UH, WEST UNTIL HE'S ABLE TO GATHER
SO WE'LL APPROVE THE CONTINUANCE OF THAT HE'S ASKING FOR, WELL, OKAY, GO AHEAD.
I WOULD MOVE TO CONTINUE, UH, THE HEARING ON, ON THIS MATTER AND IN THE INTERIM, UH, THE APPLICANT WOULD BE, UH, PROVIDING A WAIVER FROM THE ARB OF ANY SETBACK, UH, REQUIREMENTS,
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UH, A, SOME TYPE OF SURVEY OF THE TREE IN LOCATION, IN ITS LOCATION, IN RELATION TO THE HOUSE AND TO PROVE A HARDSHIP, UH, ANY OTHER EVIDENCE OF HARDSHIP THAT YOU PLANNED ON CLAIMING, UH, OR FINDING, SUPPORTING EVIDENCE FOR.SO MAKE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO CONTINUE THIS.
UH, YOU SECONDED IT ALL IN FAVOR.
WELL, UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING TO SUPPORT THOSE, UH, INFORMATION BEFORE US, AND WE PUT YOU ON OUR NEXT MONTH MEETING AGENDA.
WELL, I GET INFORMATION FROM YOU AFTER THIS MEETING, OR KNOW WHAT KIND OF INFORMATION, WELL, OUR MEETING MINUTES WON'T BE APPROVED, SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE A, I JUST WANT, IF THERE'S ANYTHING, I NEED TO DO THAT.
IF I NEED TO GO TO MS. HILLARY AND GO BACK TO HER AND THEN, OKAY.
I'M REALLY STICKING THROUGH ITEM NUMBER 10, 10.
UM, OR NUMBER 11, NO PUBLIC COMMENT, OLD BUSINESS, ANY OLD BUSINESS, NEW BUSINESS.
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VOTE FOR A VICE CHAIR FOR THIS BOARD BECAUSE THIS BOARD CURRENTLY DOES NOT HAVE A VICE CHAIR.UM, I, I WOULD SAY I NOW, UH, COULD I GET SOME, IF SOMEONE ELSE WANT TO VOLUNTEER TO BE THE VICE CHAIR, I'LL BE VICE CHAIR IF NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO.
SO I WANT TO PUT A MOTION IN THAT.
AND SECOND ALL THE PAPER WITH MS. JANE
SO NOW YOU ARE THE VICE CHAIR.
[10. Mr. David Rowe is requesting a Variance to construct a garage 30- feet from the rear property line. Property is located at 9 Cramer Avenue, Bluffton. The property is zoned T2-Rural (T2R)]
SINCE MR. ROWE DID NOT SHOW UP, DOES THIS JUST GO AWAY OR CAN HE COME LET SOME OTHER TIME WE HAD, I THINK WE STILL MET BEFORE.WE'VE JUST TABLED IT BECAUSE THERE WAS NO, I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S A, WHAT? THE STANDARD OF DRYING.
WE'LL SEE IF THEY'RE GOING TO RESPOND BACK AND IF HE WANTS US TO TRY IT WITHOUT IT, THEN WE DEFINITELY WOULD GET SOMEONE TO DO WILL MAKE A MONTH AND GET THEM NO MORE 10 YEARS.
NUMBER 10, THAT'S BEEN MADE MOTION, BEEN MADE.
UM, IS THIS NEED TO BE ALL NEW? OKAY.
SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND PUT A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
THIS FAVOR HAS BEEN MADE IN GERMAN.