Apr 27, 2022 Town of Bluffton Planning Commission

JUMPED RIGHT INTO THE UTO AMENDMENT.

IS THERE ANY OLD BUSINESS? I BE LATE COMMISSIONER.

UM, NEW BUSINESS

[IX.1. Unified Development Ordinance Amendments (Public Hearing)]

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I HAVE TO CALL FOR THREE CALLS FOR COMMENTS.

SO, UM, IS THERE ANYONE, UM, HERE TO COMMENT GOING ONE, ANYONE TO COMMENT TWICE? ANYONE ELSE COMMENT THE THIRD TIMES? OKAY.

WE'LL CLOSE THAT.

UM, SO IT'S THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE AMENDMENT AMENDMENTS TO THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 23.

AND CHARLOTTE'S GOING TO PRESENT, EXCUSE ME.

SHE USED TO, UM, UH, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT.

AND GOOD EVENING.

THE, UH, AMENDMENT TONIGHT RELATE TO THE NUMBER OF TERMS, UH, THAT MEMBERS CAN SERVE ON COMMISSIONS, COMMITTEES AND BOARDS THAT ARE GOVERNED BY THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.

AND THE REASON FOR THE AMENDMENT IS TO PROVIDE FOR CONSISTENT TERM LIMITS BETWEEN, UM, THOSE BOARDS, COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS THAT ARE GOVERNED BY THE EDO AND THOSE THAT ARE GOVERNED BY THE GENERAL TOWN CODE.

AND THE PURPOSE IS TO ALLOW FOR THE RETENTION OF RETENTION OF MEMBERS WHO DESIRE TO CONTINUE TO SERVE.

AND OF COURSE MEMBERS, UH, HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY TOWN COUNCIL AND THEY SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF TOWN COUNCIL.

A TERM LIMIT IS THREE YEARS AND UNDER THE UTO, UM, CURRENTLY IT'S A MAXIMUM OF TWO TERMS POTENTIALLY.

THERE COULD BE A THIRD TERM IF IT'S DEEMED IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY.

AND AFTER THE, UH, TERM LIMIT HAS EXPIRED MEMBERS, NOT REAPPOINTED, THERE HAS TO BE A YEAR ABSENCE BEFORE THAT MEMBER CAN BE REAPPOINTED TO A BOARD COMMISSION OR COMMITTEE AND UNDER A TOWN CODE, THERE ARE NO TERM LIMITS.

AGAIN, A MEMBER WOULD SORT OF AT THE PLEASURE OF TOWN COUNCIL.

AND, UH, SO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING AS YOU SEE HERE IN THE TEXT AMENDMENT, THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IS TO REFERENCE THE, UH, THE, UH, UH, PORTION OF THE TOWN CODE RELATING TO TERM LIMITS.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE THE LENGTH OF THE TERM AND THE REMOVAL OF A MEMBER, UM, ALSO REFERS BACK TO THE GENERAL TOWN CODE.

SO THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT.

UM, SKIP THIS SLIDE HERE.

THAT'S NOT PERTINENT.

AND W LET ME GO BACK TO THIS.

SO YOU CAN ABSORB THAT FOR ONE MOMENT.

IF YOU NEED TO, IN CONSIDERING ANY AMENDMENT TO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, THERE ARE FIVE CRITERIA THAT HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED.

NONE OF THEM IN THIS CASE ARE APPLICABLE TO WHAT IS PROPOSED AND TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS.

YOU CAN EITHER VOTE TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENT AS PROVIDED.

YOU CAN CHOOSE TO, UM, SUGGEST AN ALTERNATIVE AMENDMENT, OR YOU COULD DENY THAT AMENDMENT.

AND IF THIS MOVES FORWARD TONIGHT, UM, EITHER AN APPROVAL DENIAL OR A CHANGE TO WHAT'S PROPOSED, IT WOULD GO TO THE TOWN COUNCIL ON MAY 10TH, AND THEN, UM, FOR A FINAL READING AND A PUBLIC HEARING ON JUNE 14TH,

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HERE'S THE PROPOSED MOTION.

GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

UM, HOW ABOUT I START ON THE FAR END? WHAT DO YOU DO ANYTHING? I DO NOT.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING.

I'VE EXPERIENCED MYSELF HOW HARD IT IS TO RECRUIT MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT LOCALITY I WORK IN.

AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING TO TRY TO KEEP THE PEOPLE YOU HAVE CAUSES.

THERE ARE SO FEW PEOPLE WILLING TO SERVE THESE DAYS.

I AGREE.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA.

IF WE CAN DEVELOP SOME NEW LEARNINGS, SOME EXPERIENCE.

I AGREE ALSO BECAUSE IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO PUT UP THEIR TIME THAT ARE FROM THE PUBLIC STANDPOINT, AT LEAST FROM THE EDUCATION STANDPOINT OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE THAT THEY WANT TO CARE ABOUT DOING IT.

HERE, SAME THOUGHTS, DIFFERENT THOUGHTS.

I HAVE DIFFERENT THOUGHTS ON THAT.

UM, I, UM, WHILE I RESPECT THE POSITION THAT IT IS DIFFICULT TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS AT TIMES, UM, MY CONCERN IS THERE SHOULD TH THERE'S A VALUE IN HAVING TERM LIMITS IN TERMS OF, OR THE NUMBER OF TERMS, CONSECUTIVE TERMS THAT YOU CAN SERVE JUST FROM GETTING FRESH BLOOD IN THERE, NEW IDEAS, NEW QUESTIONS BEING ASKED, UM, OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UH, YOUNG PROFESSIONALS TO BE ABLE TO STEP IN.

AND IN THOSE VACANCIES IS WHERE YOU START DOING THE REAL WORK OF GOING AND FINDING THOSE PEOPLE TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS.

UM, SO I, I ACTUALLY APPRECIATE THE HAVING OF THE NUMBER OF TERMS LISTED.

I, WHILE I'M THAT BEING SAID, I AM STILL SENSITIVE TO, UH, THE ISSUES OF HAVING TO FIND SOMEBODY TO FILL A POSITION.

OH, AND ADDITIONALLY, WE'RE IN A REALLY FAST-GROWING TOWN WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE, WHICH BRINGS A LOT OF NEW BLOOD.

IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT THE SAME SIZE AS WE USED TO BE.

SO, UM, EVEN THAT BAR IS BEARING ALL OF THAT IN MIND.

I MEAN, I DON'T MIND EXTENDING IT TO A THREE TERM.

UM, THERE WAS A POINT BROUGHT UP TO ME AT SOME POINT RECENTLY OF, YOU KNOW, IT CAN TAKE A LITTLE WHILE TO GET YOUR FEET UNDER YOU IN TERMS OF, UH, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, I STILL FEEL LIKE I'M A YEAR INTO THIS PLUS, AND I'M STILL FEELING LIKE I'M DRINKING FROM A FIRE HOSE.

SO AGAIN, I SEE VALUE IN EXTENDING THE TERM, BUT PERHAPS ONLY THREE CONSECUTIVE TERMS, UM, RATHER THAN A NO TERM, A NUMBER OF TERMS, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD FALL ON THAT TRIALING.

UM, JUST, JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY.

AND I FAILED TO ASK THIS THE OTHER DAY IN A CONVERSATION.

UM, WHAT, WHAT IS THE HISTORY OF BRINGING THIS CDO, UM, AMENDMENT BEFORE US? WAS IT STAFF ORIGINATED BECAUSE OF CHALLENGES GETTING PEOPLE, WAS IT COUNCIL ORIGINATED, IT'S KIND OF A MIXTURE.

UH, ONE ISSUE OF BEING ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT, UM, THAT POTENTIALLY WANT TO STAY ON FOR THOSE LONGER PERIODS.

UM, AND THEN ALSO, UM, BEING MORE CONSISTENT WITH OUR TALENT CODE, UM, JUST BECAUSE OF THE REASON, UH, WHATEVER, HOWEVER MANY YEARS AGO THAT THAT WAS ADDED TO THE CODE.

UM, BUT IT'S JUST, IT KIND OF HINDERS OUR ABILITY TO, TO KEEP INDIVIDUALS.

AND AGAIN, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE IS, IS GOING TO STAY ON THE BOARD IN PERPETUITY.

SO WE'RE NOT STUCK.

YOU'RE NOT STUFFING THEM.

UH, YOU KNOW, YOU SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF TOWN COUNCIL.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AND EVERY, EVERY, UM, EVERY TIME THAT THE TERMS ARE UP, WE OBVIOUSLY INFORM TOWN COUNCIL AS TO, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN PERSONS TERMS ARE UP.

IF THEY WANT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THEM BE APPOINTED, THEY CAN, IF NOT, THEN THEY WOULD LET US KNOW THAT WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY MOVE FORWARD AND TRY TO FIND SOMEONE ELSE.

30,000 PEOPLE IN THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON NOW.

ANOTHER QUESTION AT THIS, ARE THERE OTHER COMMISSIONS OR BOARDS THAT ARE HAVING A HARDER TIME RECRUITING AND RETAINING PEOPLE THAN THIS ONE? YES.

YES, ABSOLUTELY.

AND THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHAT MAKES ME COMFORTABLE WITH THIS.

I MEAN, I RESPECT KATHLEEN'S POINT ABOUT NOT WANTING TO LOCK UP POSITIONS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE INFLUX OF NEW TALENT, BUT I THINK THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT ARE THERE.

ONE IS THE OTHER COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS THAT NEED PEOPLE.

AND AT THE PLEASURE OF TOWN COUNCIL, AT SOME POINT, I MAY NOT BE AT THE PLEASURE OF TOWN COUNCIL AND SOMEBODY ELSE MAY COME IN TO REPLACE THEM.

IT MIGHT BE NOW, I DID WANT TO, UM, JUST SOLID THAT UP, HAVING BEEN ON COUNCIL YEARS AGO WHEN WE ACTUALLY INITIATED THIS, THE WHOLE THOUGHT PROCESS WAS IT'S A GROWING TOWN.

THERE ARE GOING TO BE MORE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE BEATING DOWN THE DOOR TO BE ON THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

AND, AND UNFORTUNATELY IN THE LAST THREE YEARS I'VE SEEN, THAT'S NOT TRUE.

I MEAN, WE'RE

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AND TO GET SEVEN MEMBERS ON ONE BOARD IS LIKE PULLING TEETH SOMETIMES.

SO I, I UNDERSTAND AND I SHARE SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS.

UM, I JUST, IN A PRACTICAL SENSE, I DON'T SEE A WAY AROUND IT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

AND I DO APPRECIATE WE'RE DEALING WITH TWO DIFFERENT, BASICALLY CONFLICTING WRITTEN AREAS THAT WE NEED TO CLEAN SOMETHING UP.

DOES ANYONE ANYONE WANT TO PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION TO TOWN COUNCIL? UM, I'LL DO IT.

UM, IS THE INDIGO CODE TOWNHOMES PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT, TJ WASHBURN OF WINCHESTER HOMES ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER P K P GROUP, LLC, FOR THE APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE INDIGO COPE TOWNHOMES LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF BLUFFTON PARKWAY AND BUCK ISLAND ROAD.

I MOVE TO RECOMMEND THE AMENDMENTS TO THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON CODE OF ORDINANCES, CHAPTER 23 UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, ARTICLE TWO ADMINISTRATION SECTION 2.23 B ESTABLISHMENT BOARDS AND COMMISSION MEMBER TERMS. NUMBER OF TERMS YOU WANT TO HAVE A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? UM, JUST FOR, JUST FOR SOME CLARIFICATION, I THINK WE HAD BEEN PART OF A FOOT INTERJECTING HERE.

UH, I THINK THE PROPOSED MOTION WE HAD, OR I DIDN'T HEAR IT.

I DIDN'T HEAR IT, WHETHER IT WAS GOING TO BE IN APPROVAL AND APPROVAL WITH AMENDMENTS OR A DENIAL.

WHAT KIND OF RECOMMENDATION YOU WANT TO MAKE RECOMMEND TO APPROVE? I THOUGHT SO, BUT JUST FOR THE RECORD, FOR THE RECORD TO APPROVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR WAS THAT OUR DISCUSSION RICHARDSON ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

[IX.2. Indigo Cove Townhomes (Preliminary Development Plan) (Part 1 of 2)]

AMANDA, I NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF ON THIS ONE.

KATHLEEN IS RECUSING.

THE APPLICANT WISHED TO SPEAK.

THIS IS A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, INDIGO CO TOWNHOMES, A REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT, TJ WASHBURN OF WINCHESTER HOMES ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER PK P GROUP, LLC, FOR IMPROVEMENT OF THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR INDIGO COVE, TOWNHOMES PROPERTIES LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF BLUFFTON PARKWAY AND BUCK ISLAND ROAD ARIEL WITH THE PROPERTY SUPERIMPOSED OVER IT.

IT IS THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF ISLAND ROAD AND BLUFFTON PARKWAY, PROJECT DESCRIPTION AND BACKGROUND.

THIS APPLICATION IS FOR PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN LOCATED WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL GENERAL ZONING DISTRICT AND THE SUBJECT TO THE STANDARDS SET FORTH IN THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE PROJECT CONSISTS OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF 83 SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED UNITS WITH AN AMENITY CENTER, SIDEWALKS AND ASSOCIATED INFRASTRUCTURE STAFF COMMENTS ON THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WERE REVIEWED AT THE MARCH 9TH, 2022 MEETING OF THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE.

THE APPLICANT PROVIDED A RESPONSE TO COMMENTS AND UPDATED EXHIBITS TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS PROVIDED.

THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED AS SITE LAYOUT PLAN OVER TWO SHEETS REVIEW CRITERIA.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHALL CONSIDER THE CRITERIA SET FORTH IN SECTION 3, 10, 3 8 OF THE UDL IN ASSESSING AN APPLICATION FOR PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

THE APP APPLICABLE CRITERIA ARE PROVIDED BELOW, FOLLOWED, NOT FOLLOWED BY STAFF.

FINDING STAFF FINDINGS WERE INCLUDED IN THE PACKET.

UM, AND THESE ARE THE SIX CRITERIA THAT ARE IN SECTION 3 10, 3 PLANNING COMMISSION ACTION PLANNING COMMISSION AS THE AUTHORITY TO TAKE THE FOLLOWING ACTION, APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS TABLE, THE APPLICATION, OR DENIED THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

STAFF RECOMMENDS A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, BE APPROVED SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT AT THE TIME OF FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN SUBMITTAL, THE APPLICANT SHALL PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION THAT THE PROPOSED OVERFLOW PARKING AND GRAIN LOCATED IN THE POWER LINE EASEMENT IS PERMITTED.

AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS

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HI, MY NAME IS CHRIS POLK.

UM, I AM OFFICIAL TITLE IS VICE PRESIDENT AT WINCHESTER, BUT I'M PRINCIPAL.

UM, AND JUST WANTED TO COME AND SHARE OUR VISION FOR WHAT IT IS WE'VE HELD ON THIS PROPERTY FOR A LITTLE TIME NOW AND BEEN WORKING THROUGH IT, GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHAT A TOWN MAY NEED MORE SO THAN OTHER THINGS AND, AND WANTING TO SHARE EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE THINKING IN THE WAY WE DO BUSINESS IN GENERAL.

SO THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME AND WE APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO FOR US AND HELPING GUIDE US TO THIS PLACE.

THE BIGGEST ONE THING WE WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT WINCHESTER IS THAT WE'RE THOUGHTFUL DESIGNERS.

I'M AN ARCHITECT BY EDUCATION.

UM, IT MAY OR MAY NOT HURT ME WHEN I TELL YOU I WENT TO CLEMSON, BUT THE TRUTH OF IT IS IT HAPPENS.

I GET IT, I GET IT.

SO BY EDUCATION, I'M AN ARCHITECT, UM, M AND BEEN IN THE BUILDING, DEVELOPING BUSINESS, ALL OF MY PROFESSIONAL CAREER.

UM, AND SO WE BUILT A TEAM OF INCREDIBLY THOUGHTFUL PEOPLE.

AND BECAUSE I RUN THE OPERATIONS OF THE COMPANY, TJ BEING THE OTHER PART IS REALLY THE GUY OUT FRONT, MAKING SURE YOU DIDN'T FIND PROPERTIES, BUT BECAUSE I RUN THE OPERATIONS, I HAVE THE LATITUDE THAT WE ARE CAREFUL, AND WE SERVE A MODERATE LUXURY PRODUCT, MID-LEVEL LUXURY PRODUCT TO EVERYBODY.

SO BECAUSE OF OUR BUYING POWER AND THE NUMBER OF UNITS WE DO EVERY YEAR IN LOTS OF CHROME GROUND, WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE THESE TO THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, NOT JUST IN ELITE FEW.

SO OUT OF THE PYRAMID OF FOLKS THAT ARE BUILDING AND THEY'RE DEVELOPING, WE DON'T OPERATE IN THE ELITE.

I'M NOT AT SEA PONS.

THAT'S JUST NOT WHAT WE DO, BUT PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY CAN ENJOY.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE UP THE QUALITY OF LIFE BECAUSE WE'RE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THE WAY IT'S DONE AND THE WAY IT LOOKS.

AND, AND THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN CONSIDERED IN EVERY WAY.

SO BLUFF.

THEY WON'T HAVE TO GIVE ON DESIGN TO APPROVE THIS BECAUSE WE'VE CONSIDERED IT.

IT'LL LOOK COASTAL IT'LL FEEL LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO.

THEY DON'T HAVE A SENSE OF COMMUNITY.

IT'LL HAVE ALL THESE FEATURES THAT IT BIGS FOR A TENNIS COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT'S IN BLUFFTON.

EVERY TIME WE DO A COMMUNITY, IT, IF WE WERE GOING TO DO ONE IN CLEMSON, WE MAY PAINT THEM ORANGE, BUT THAT, BUT IT GOES WELL BEYOND THAT.

SO WE, WE TALK MORE ABOUT TECHNOLOGY, WELLNESS, AIR QUALITY IN, IN PAUL.

UM, OUR REAL ARCHITECT, UM, WILL SPEAK TO SOME OF THESE THINGS, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND SENSE OF COMMUNITY, A SENSE OF PLACE.

SO NOT ONLY DO THE PEOPLE THAT RESIDE THERE HAVE A SENSE OF PLACE, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK OUT OF PLACE IN THE COMMUNITY OF BLUFFTON.

SO I THINK BEFORE I GO ON TOO FAR AND TALK TOO MUCH, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I TEND TO DO, ESPECIALLY WHEN I'M NERVOUS HAVING SAID THAT EVERYTHING THAT WE DO, I BELIEVE FROM BEGINNING TO END, WE'LL GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY PROUD OF IT.

WE CAN'T PUT IT IN THE WORLD.

I THINK TO SLEEP AT NIGHT.

I MUST KNOW I'M A SOUTH CAROLINA RESIDENT.

I'M A NATIVE TJ FROM GEORGIA, JUST ACROSS THE RIVER IN AUGUSTA.

UM, AND WE CARE.

SO WHEN WE LEAVE A COMMUNITY COMPLETE AND READY, I LIKE BE ABLE TO DRIVE MY CHILDREN, MY WIFE, MY AUNTS, MY UNCLES, ANYBODY ELSE BY AND BE ABLE TO SAY IT AND NOT DUCK MY HEAD THINKING, I DON'T WANT THEM TO KNOW I WAS A PART OF IT.

IT'S JUST NOT THE WAY WE DO BUSINESS AND IT MAY SEEM OVERSIMPLIFIED.

BUT THE TRUTH OF IT IS, IS THAT WE WANT TO LEAVE A LEGACY IS WINCHESTER AND BE KNOWN FOR WHAT WE DO IN ANY ONE OF OUR PROPERTIES IN ATHENS, AUGUSTA AIKEN, NORTH AUGUSTA.

UH, WE NOW ARE STARTING ONE IN BRUNSWICK.

SO THESE COMMUNITIES WE DEVELOP AND BUILD, WE TAKE FOUGHT FOR DESIGN TO LEVELS THAT TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPERS DO NOT DO.

AND WE CARE THAT OUR MOTTO WILL BE, DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THE RIGHT REASONS.

AND SO THAT'S WHERE I'LL STICK IT.

AND, UM, AND LET PAUL, WE'VE GOT TO EXPLAIN SOME OF THESE DETAILS TO YOU.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

AND I BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO BUILD YOU UP YOUR COMMUNITY.

UH, I, I BELIEVE YOU'LL BE SURPRISED AT JUST HOW BEAUTIFUL IT WILL BE.

SO THANK YOU.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

YEAH, YOU'RE REALLY NOT GONNA LIKE ME CAUSE I'M FROM RAMBLING WRECK FROM GEORGIA TECH.

UM, SO-SO I, PAUL STAGEN, I'M THE ARCHITECT.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I WANNA REITERATE WHAT CHRIS SAID.

UH, NUMBER ONE IS ARCHITECTS.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT REAL PUBLIC SPEAKER, SO WE GET HERE, BUT WE'RE HERE TO TELL YOU THAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO A QUALITY DEVELOPMENT.

THAT IS THAT MID LUXURY, WHICH MEANS ADDRESSING THE LIFESTYLE AND THE LIFESTYLE EXPECTATIONS OF OUR RESIDENTS, BOTH THE ONES THAT ARE HERE AND THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LOW MAINTENANCE MATERIALS.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HIGH EFFICIENCY SYSTEMS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, NOBODY WAKES UP AND SAYS, I WANT TO WASTE ENERGY.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THOSE KINDS OF SYSTEMS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE AND REASONABLE.

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UM, W WE'RE NOT OVER THE TOP PUTTING SOLAR PANELS ON TOP OF ALL THESE BUILDINGS, BUT WE'RE USING LED LIGHTS AND VRS SYSTEMS TO, TO IMPROVE THE INDOOR AIR QUALITY AND REDUCE OUR ENERGY CONSUMPTION.

UM, WE'LL HAVE EXTRA ELEMENTS THAT FIT IN WITH WHAT YOU SEE AROUND HERE.

NOW WE, WE CALL IT THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, LUXURY MODERN, WHICH IS THE WHITE PAINTED BRICK WITH, WITH MASONRY, YOU KNOW, UH, ON THE LOWER LEVELS FOR DURABILITY AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF, OF, UH, TRESPASSED PANELS AND ENGINEERED WOOD, UH, METAL EYEBROWS AND METAL ROOFING AND FEATURED AREAS.

UM, AND SO LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE DID I HAVE ON HERE? UM, YEAH, THERE WAS A NICE DEVELOPMENT OVER HERE OFF OF A TABBY SHOW ROAD THAT HAS SOME KIND OF THE FEATURES THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.

SO, UM, WE HAD HEARD THAT THESE MEETINGS WERE FULL OF JOLLY AND MARYMOUNT.

SO WE BROUGHT THE WHOLE TEAM SO THAT IF IT DID BREAK INTO A DANCE PARTY, WE HAD ENOUGH PEOPLE TO, SO, BUT WE HAVE THE, THE, THE, UH, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT.

WE HAD THE CIVIL ENGINEER, WE HAVE THE OWNER MYSELF, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE, ESPECIALLY AFTER ITEM NUMBER ONE AND HOW HARD IT IS TO GET YOU GUYS TO SERVE.

UM, SO WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE.

AND JUST TO BE CLEAR ON THIS ONE, WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING ARCHITECTURE.

THAT IS CORRECT.

UM, SO THIS, UH, PROJECT IS NOT LOCATED IN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR LIKE DISTRICT, SO IT WILL NOT COME TO YOU.

SO WHILE THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT ARCHITECTURE, JUST TO KIND OF LET YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN BASE YOUR DECISION ON AND WILL NOT BE REVIEWED, UM, BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

RIGHT.

I'LL OPEN IT UP TO ANYONE THAT WANTS TO START ON THIS.

UM, JASON, DO YOU WANT TO GO FIRST AND LET YOU KNOW YOU HAVE A BREAK? UH, MY EXPERIENCE WITH THIS TOWNHOME COMMUNITIES, THE DOWNFALL HAS ALWAYS HINGES ON TWO THINGS, STREET PARKING AND GARBAGE CAN PLACEMENT.

I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AN HOA IN PLACE THAT ADDRESSES THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES WITH SOME ROBUST RULES, AND Y'ALL CAN STAND UP HERE IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK INTO THE MIC, PLEASE.

SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR YOU.

YES, YES.

WE'LL HAVE A HOA, UM, THAT WILL ADDRESS WHERE THE GARBAGE CANS GO AND NOT SEEN FROM THE STREET.

YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY'RE SITTING OUT ON GARBAGE DAY, THEY'LL HAVE TO BE, BUT AROUND, WE HAVE SINGLE CAR GARAGES WITH TWO SPACES.

SO WE'LL HAVE PLACES IN DOOR TO KEEP THOSE, THE ARTICLE FIT FOREVER UNITS, ONE IN THE GARAGE, ONE IN THE DRIVEWAY NOT IMPEDE THE WALKWAY AROUND.

SO EVERYBODY SHOULD BE ABLE TO PARK FOR EACH TOWNHOUSE.

AND THEN THE OVERFLOW PARKING, WHICH, UM, IS MORE THAN MEETS THE NEEDS OF YOUR ORDINANCES.

IT'S MORE THAN, THAN IS REQUIRED BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT'S A CONCERN.

IT'S ALWAYS A CONCERN TO HAVE OVER FOUR BUCKS FOR GAS AND THINGS.

SO I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE ADDRESSED BOTH OF THOSE REGRETFULLY.

OR WHATEVER YOU'VE GOT THERE, THE HOA.

UM, I KNOW YOU'VE MET THE CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING, UM, BUT AT LEAST DOWN HERE, WHAT HAPPENS IS A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM UP NORTH, BRING ALL THEIR STUFF AND FILL UP THEIR GARAGE.

UM, HAVE YOU GIVEN ANY CONSIDERATION TO POTENTIALLY EXPAND THE OVERFLOW PARKING NUMBER ONE, OR PUT A PLACE TO PARK WHERE PEOPLE CAN GET THEIR MAIL? YOU HAVE NOWHERE FOR THE MAIL KIOSK.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE PARKING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET.

UM, IS THERE, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT YOU COULD POTENTIALLY EXPAND SOME OF THE PARKING SINCE IF SOMEBODY HAS A LITTLE PARTY GOING ON, THE STREETS ARE GOING TO BE PRETTY FULL? SO THE OVERCOAT PARKING HAS BEEN ADJUSTED TIME AND TIME AGAIN, TRYING TO GET TO A PLACE THAT MAKES SENSE.

AND, AND THE TRUTH OF IT IS WE WILL TO CONSIDER THE OVERFLOW PARKING, I THINK BECAUSE OF THE GREEN AREAS THAT WE REQUIRED AND FOR THE KIOSK AREA, WE CAN DO A PULL IN AND PULL OUT KIND OF THING.

UH, I BELIEVE THAT CAN BE ALSO ADDRESSED AND WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.

UH, BUT OUR BEST SOLUTION FOR MORE PARKING IS GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL OVERFLOW PARKING AND THE POWER LINES AND THE GREEN AREA, JUST, WE DON'T HAVE THE STREETS TO GIVE IT GIVEN THE GREEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IT.

WOULD YOU CONSIDER INCREASING THE OVERFLOW PARKING BECAUSE YOU ALSO HAVE AN AMENITY CENTER RIGHT AT THE CORNER.

WHAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE AMENITY CENTER.

SO THERE'LL BE, UH, THE HOA OFFICE AND THINGS UP FRONT AND THE OFFICE SPACE, BUT THEN YOU HAVE THE WORKOUT.

UH, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO STEAL DETERMINED THAT, BUT IT'S GONNA BE A WORKOUT FACILITY AND THEN MAYBE EVEN A SMALL BUSINESS FACILITY WHERE THEY CAN, PEOPLE CAN GO IN USE INTERNET AND GET AWAY FROM THE HOUSE.

SO WE'RE STILL, WE'RE KIND OF WORKING THROUGH THAT AMENITY CENTER.

UM, BUT IT'S PRIMARILY WORKOUT AND OFFICER, AND THAT'S JUST MAKING MY POINT.

IF YOU HAVE THE KIOSK UP THERE, THREE SPOTS NEXT TO THE HUMANITY CENTER, IF YOU CAN INCREASE THAT OVERFLOW PARKING A LITTLE BIT, I THINK IT WOULD REALLY HELP.

SO JUST THE CONSIDERATION, OVERFLOW PARKING IS NOT JUST OVERFLOW PARKING.

IT'S A BUSINESS PARKING LOT TOO.

YOU'RE YOU'RE DOING THE AMENITIES CENTER AND SALES

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AND LIKE YOU SAID, THE MAIL.

SO I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF MY BIG CONCERNS TOO, IS IF YOU COULD EXTEND THAT.

AND WE WANT TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THE PARKING.

I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

I GOT THAT'S ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT LIKE, WE ALL LIVE IN PROBABLY, OR IT'S, IT'S BAD PEOPLE DON'T USE THEIR GARAGE JUST FOR A GARAGE.

SO I HATE TO REITERATE EVERYTHING THAT EVERYBODY JUST TOLD YOU.

BUT SO I'M GOING TO ASK YOU, WHAT'S THE DEMOGRAPHIC OF THE BUYER WHO'S GOING TO BUY THIS HOME FIRST.

WHERE ARE THEY BUYING? ARE THEY RENTING BUYING RIGHT? WELL, THEREFORE THEY'RE, IT'S A LOW COVID.

THESE ARE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED PROPERTY LINE FOR SALE, FOR SALE.

HOWEVER, WE THINK WE HAVE ONE BUYER.

YOU HEAR ABOUT THEM ON THE NEWS ALL THE TIME, AGAIN, WITH A COLOR AND AN, A ROCK IN THEIR NAME THAT WOULD COME IN AND BUY THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.

SO WE WOULD BE SELLING MAYBE PERHAPS ONE SALE INSTEAD OF 83 SALES, BUT WE ARE DEVELOPING IT FOR 83 SALES.

IF I CAN REMIND THE BOARD THAT, UM, YOU CANNOT BASE YOUR DECISION OFF OF THAT FACT.

SO AGAIN, THESE ARE THE TOWNHOMES, A TON OF THE PRODUCT, A FEE, SIMPLE LOT INDIVIDUAL PARCELS, INDIVIDUAL TAX IDS, AND ALL THAT.

SO IT'S LIKE, NO MATTER WHAT IT IS, A IT'S A TOWNHOME PRODUCT.

THE REASON I'M ASKING IS THAT FOR THE SAME REASON THAT YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD TWICE, I AM BIG ABOUT THE PARKING.

YOU HAVE VISIT A POCKET AND THERE'S NO DESIGNATED VISITOR PARKING.

YOU ONLY HAVE, I MEAN, YOU MEET THE REQUIREMENTS.

THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION, BUT I AGREE, UH, THAT I THINK THAT IF YOU COULD EXPAND AND PROVIDE ADDITIONAL PARKING, WHETHER IT BE FOR THE KIOSK OR FOR VISITOR PARKING, BECAUSE HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DEAL WITH THE HOA IN THE PAST, WHAT HAPPENED? AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE TICKETING PEOPLE IF THEY ARE SITTING, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY, THE CHILD WAS VISITING AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S OVERFLOW PARKING AND THE OVERFLOW PARKING IS ALREADY COOL.

SO THAT IS PROBABLY A BIG, A BIG ONE NOW.

YOU KNOW, THAT THE LIFESTYLE EXPECTATIONS CONTINUE TO EVOLVE.

AND I WOULD THINK THAT PRIMARILY OUR MARKET'S GOING TO BE THAT EARLY PROFESSIONAL AND MID PROFESSIONAL, YOU KNOW, JUST GETTING READY PERHAPS EVEN TO START THAT PATH DOWN A FAMILY AND A BIG LOT BY SCHOOL.

UM, BUT WE'LL ALSO HAVE A LOT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, END OF CAREER PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING TO DOWNSIZE THEIR HOMES, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY THAT MID LUXURY PRODUCT WITH LARGE BATHROOMS AND LARGE KITCHENS AND THE KIND OF AMENITIES THAT WOULD ATTRACT OUR SPOUSES NOSH.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK, HONESTLY, GETTING BACK TO THE PARKING, UM, IN ADDITION TO THE OVERFLOW, WE'VE ALSO GOT SOME ON-STREET PARALLEL PARKING SPACES, AND WE DO HAVE SOME CAPACITY IN THERE WHERE WE CAN ADD SOME MORE PARALLEL PARKING, WHICH WILL HELP WITH VISITORS.

UM, WE'VE ALSO GOT SOME ROOM NEAR THE KIOSK TO HAVE PARALLEL PARKING, SO THAT SHOULD HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT.

THE, TO OVERFLOW WHERE THE OVERFLOW EXPANSION, WELL, YOU KNOW HOW LIKE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS, IT THERE'S PEOPLE EVERYWHERE.

THEY PARKED EVERYWHERE.

WE GET TICKETS ALL THE TIME.

SO THAT'S WHY I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S ENOUGH GOING FORWARD WITH THAT MANY UNITS.

I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT.

DO YOU HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE FOR WHEN PEOPLE INEVITABLY PARK ON THE STREET? NOT IN PARALLEL PARKING SPACES IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE THERE'S EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, OR DO YOU JUST, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN THERE IS NOT STREET, PARKING PEOPLE STILL MAKE STREET PARKING BECAUSE THERE'S STILL A NEED FOR IT.

REALLY NICE.

AND OUR RPO ITALY, BUT WE USE THE SAME ONE, A GOOD FIT.

SO THERE ARE RULES IN PLACE AND THERE ARE TICKETS.

THERE ARE NO SENIORS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, BUT I'LL KEEP SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY IF I MAY.

I'M SORRY, MAN.

UM, CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY SPEAKS INTO THE MICROPHONE OR PEOPLE WHO'VE WATCHED THEM MAYBE OWNS A GYM AND WAIT, WHY DON'T YOU SHARE THAT? WE RECOVERED EVERYTHING.

THEY HAVE A RIGHT END RIGHT NOW ON THEIR SOUTHERN MOST ENTRYWAY AND NO DECELERATION LANES, THE CELEBRATION WARRANTED.

UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE BESIDES PARKING THAT ANYONE HAS TO GET BACK TO THE PARKING? ONE THING TO NOTE, EVEN IF WE DO ADD MORE PARALLEL PARKING SPACES, IT'S NOT GOING TO DETRACT FROM OUR ACTIVE OPEN SPACE CALCULATION.

IT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL CONTAINED WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY ACREAGE.

THANK YOU, CHARLIE, AT SOMETHING OTHER THAN THEY HIT THE MAIL KIOSK, UM, IS THERE, AND THIS IS MORE DIRECTED TOWARDS STAFF.

UM, IS THERE A TIA REQUIREMENT ON THOSE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS OR NO, THERE IS THAT THEY PROVIDED, THEY PROVIDE THAT DLT ACTUALLY REVIEWED IT AND APPROVED IT.

THAT'S WHY

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I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE YOU KNEW HOW BUSY BUCK ISLAND GETS THERE.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE BUSIEST INTERSECTIONS IN TOWN RIGHT THERE.

AND IF, UH, BLUFFTON PARKWAY FIVE B EVER COMES TO FRUITION, IT'S GOING TO BE EVEN BUSIER.

SO THAT'S WHY I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.

UM, UH, YOU MADE A COMMENT THAT YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPERS AND YOU PUT TOGETHER A GREAT PRODUCT AND I, I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS.

UM, WE ARE TASKED, HOWEVER, WITH MAKING SURE WHAT'S WRITTEN, HOLDS YOU TO THOSE COMMENTS.

AND I CAN THINK OF ANOTHER DEVELOPER IN TOWN THAT MADE THOSE SAME REMARKS IN ONE OF THESE ROOMS HERE.

AND, UH, WHEN THE MARKET TURNED, HE LEFT HALF OF THE PROJECT ON DONE IN BUILDINGS PARTIALLY DONE.

SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO DO THE BEST WE CAN FROM UP HERE.

UM, THIS PROJECT INEVITABLY IS GOING TO BE A PARKING NIGHTMARE, NO MATTER WHAT WE DO.

SO I JUST, AS AN INDIVIDUAL TO INDIVIDUALS ASK YOU TO DO THE BEST YOU CAN AND MAKE IT SO THAT IT'S NOT AS MUCH OF A NIGHTMARE AS IT COULD BE.

AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAVE FOR Y'ALL IS THIS IS A BI-RITE DEVELOPMENT.

YOU HAVE THE, THE RIGHTS INHERENT IN THE PROPERTY TO PUT THIS MANY UNITS THERE.

MATTER OF FACT, I THINK YOU'RE PUTTING A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN WHAT YOU COULD, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON TO HAVE AN AFFORDABLE COMPONENT WORKFORCE HOUSING AS PART OF NEW DEVELOPMENTS.

AND BECAUSE THIS IS BY RIGHT, WE CANNOT REQUIRE YOU TO DO SO.

ARE THERE ANY PLANS OR THOUGHTS AS TO TAKING 10 OR 20% OF THIS AND MAKING IT WORKFORCE RELATED AS FAR AS THE COST OF IT? WELL, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT.

UM, WE'RE NOT SENDING ASIDE WORKFORCE, UH, BUT WE ARE BEING VERY ECONOMICAL ON OUR SELECTIONS OF BUILDING MATERIALS SO THAT THESE CAN BE AFFORDED BY MORE THAN THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE MID-CAREER.

OUR PRICE POINT IS INTENDED TO BE A MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN, UM, WHAT WE'D CALL LUX LUX.

WE'RE TRYING TO BE MID LUXE.

I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER TAKING A SECTION OF THAT AND RETHINKING A SECTION TOWARDS MAYBE SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE AFFORDABLE TO THE POLICEMEN FIREMEN AND THE TEACHER IN THE COMMUNITY.

SO I KNOW YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO THE DESIGN, UH, IN THE INHERENT TO THE FULL PLANS OR SEMI WORKED OUT.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH A FEW THINGS, TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE INCLUDE EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN INCLUDE, UM, FOR PEOPLE'S TODAY'S DESIRES, BUT THE INTERIOR UNIT, AND A LOT OF CASES ARE SMALLER AND IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY BUY INTO EXACT OR WORKFORCE HOUSING, BUT THEY, THEY WILL BE, YOU KNOW, LESS, LESS BEDROOMS, MORE AFFORDABLE, AS OPPOSED TO THE END UNITS, WHICH WILL OFFER A LITTLE MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE MORE LITTLE PRICIER.

SO I THINK WE HAVE CONSIDERED IT.

I W WE WILL NOT NOT CONSIDER IT AGAIN.

UH, BUT I'M LETTING YOU KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN THOUGHTFUL ABOUT SOME OF THE BUILDINGS WITH THE INTERIOR UNITS, MAKING THEM A MORE AFFORDABLE PRODUCT, BECAUSE THEY ARE LESS DESIRABLE THAN THE END PRODUCTS, OF COURSE, BUT, BUT WE'VE GONE AN EXTRA STEP AND MAKING THEM CONSIDERABLY SMALLER SO THAT THEY'RE MORE AFFORDABLE.

THAT'S THAT'S BEFORE YOU EVEN GET TO THE BACK OF THE WALL PLANTS FOR FENCING, THE PLAN FOR VINCENT, I BELIEVE WE HAVE PLANNED FOR FENCING ON THE ONES THAT THE BOARD OF THE ROAD NOW, TO WHAT EXTENT THAT GOES, BUT WHETHER IT, WHETHER IT'S SIDE FENCING ALSO, BUT THAT HAS BEEN THE PLAN SO FAR IS TO, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE GOING FORWARD IN YOUR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT DOESN'T GET LOST, BECAUSE THOSE COULD BE UGLY WITH PEOPLE AND HOW PEOPLE LIVE AND THINGS GO IN THE BACK.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A COMMENT? I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

DO YOU KNOW HOW BIG YOUR GARAGES ARE GOING TO BE? THE WHOLE UNIT IS 24 FEET WIDE.

SO ONE GARAGE WOULD BE 12 BY 22.

SOME MIGHT BE 24 AS WE BUMP OUT THE FRONT AT THE END UNITS AND STUFF, BUT IT'LL BE BIG ENOUGH FOR, I HAVE AN F150.

IT'S GOING TO BE BIG ENOUGH FOR PEOPLE TO PUT THE TRUCK IN THE GARAGE WITH A NINE FOOT DOOR.

SO IT'S NOT EVEN AN, SO WE TRYING TO BE EVEN THOUGHTFUL IN THE LITTLE DETAILS LIKE THAT.

SO THAT EVEN A NON-PROD DOOR, YOU MAY HAVE TO TURN YOUR MIRRORS IN OR ON A BIGGER TRUCK, BUT STILL EVERYBODY SHOULD GO TO PARK IN THE GARAGE.

TWO 50, NOT NO.

SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK FOR YOU, BUT YOU CAN'T GET IN YOUR TOWNHOUSE.

I'M GLAD TO TAKE YOU UP TO 57 JUST TO CONSIDERATION AS YOU'RE CONSIDERING PARKING.

JUST MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM FOR ALL OF OUR OUTDOOR THINGS, AS WELL AS CARS, SINCE I, WE ALL HAVE KIND OF SAID THIS, BUT I'M WORRIED THAT NO ONE WILL USE THE GARAGE FOR PARKING, IF THERE'S NOT ENOUGH STORAGE FOR EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO JUST ONE MORE THING TO CONSIDER AS YOU'RE DEVELOPING THAT.

I HAVE A QUESTION IT'S PROBABLY MORE FOR JOSH, UM, ON BUCK ISLAND ROAD, THE BACKS OF THOSE HOUSES FACE BUCK ISLAND.

SO I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PLENTY OF VEGETATIVE BUFFER SO THAT WE DON'T SEE THAT WE DO.

THERE IS A, HERE'S A REQUIRED 25 FOOT BUFFER

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AND WE JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE ALL OF THAT ON THE ROAD.

THE CHAIRMAN, AS YOU KNOW, THIS WILL COME BACK AS A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

AT THAT TIME, IT WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE, WHICH THREE OF YOU ARE MEMBERS OF, AND YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE PLANS AND THEN BE ABLE TO MAKE COMMENTS AT THAT TIME AS WELL.

ALL RIGHT.

IF THAT'S IT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

CAN WE PULL UP THE SUGGESTED STAFF RECOMMENDED IF YOU GUYS ARE TYPING AWAY, AS WE TALK ANYONE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO EXACTLY WHAT THEY HAVE, BUT THAT'S JUST A GUIDE THAT MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY, JUST AS A REMINDER, WE HAVE SOME NEW COMMISSIONERS HERE.

SO, UM, AT THIS POINT, WHAT YOU CAN DO IS APPROVE.

YOU CAN IMPROVE THE CONDITIONS WHERE YOU CAN DENY WHAT STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED IS CAN SEE UP.

THERE IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THAT FOLLOWING STAFF CONDITION.

IF YOU WISH TO GO WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, YOU CAN SAY SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS I MOVE TO APPROVE WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT SET FORTH IN THE STAFF REPORT.

I WANT TO TRY AND MAKE THE MOTION.

ONE OF THE NEW GUYS, I ALREADY DID MINE TO APPROVE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

AT THE TIME OF FINAL DEVELOPMENT SUBMITTAL, THE APPLICANT SHALL PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION THAT FOOTBALLS OVERFLOW PARK AND THE COMMUNITY GREEN LOCATED IN THE POWER LINE EASEMENT IS PERMITTED.

UM, SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? NOPE.

ROAD CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, A REQUEST BY ANSLEY MANUAL, THE OWNER OF K HELP ENTERPRISES FOR APPROVAL OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HC.

THANK YOU, KATHLEEN, TO COME BACK UP AND 55 MAY RIVER

[IX.3. 1055 May River Road (Certificate of Appropriateness-HCO) (Part 1 of 2)]

OH, THE PROJECT CONSISTS OF THE ADDITION OF A 144 SQUARE FOOT WEIGHT STATION AREA ON THE RIGHT ELEVATION AND 960 SQUARE FEET OF OUTDOOR COVERED FEEDING RESTROOM AND WAIT STATION AREA ON THE LEFT ELEVATION OF THE EXISTING RESTAURANT AT 10 55 MAY RIVER ROAD, KATIE, AS JUST READ THROUGH THE REQUEST.

UM, THIS IS THE REQUEST IS A REQUEST BY ANTHONY MANUAL ON BEHALF OF KL ENTERPRISE, FOR THE ADDITION TO SMALL ADDITIONS TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.

UM, THE PROJECT LOCATION IS HERE AT 10 55 MEMBER ROAD, WHICH IS THE K HILLS, UM, RESTAURANT AND MARKET THAT YOU ARE LIKELY ALL FAMILIAR WITH.

THIS IS HIGHWAY 46 OR MAY RIVER ROAD, AND YOU WOULD ENTER HERE THE CHICKENS AND THE BIG PEANUT ARE LOCATED ON THIS SIDE HERE.

SO TO FAMILIARIZE YOU WITH THE SIDE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER UP, THIS IS WHERE ALL THE PARKING WOULD BE.

AND THE, UM, ANY OF THE FIELD FARM GROWING THINGS.

THIS IS ALL TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.

46 IS AT THE BOTTOM OF YOUR SCREEN.

THE EXISTING MARKET AND RESTAURANT ARE LOCATED IN THIS WHITE AREA.

AND THEN THE RED HIGHLIGHTS, THE AREA WHICH WOULD BE PROPOSED.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN.

SO AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE PROPOSED AREAS.

THEY WILL BE REMOVING THE SHRUBS AND BUSHES HERE.

AND TWO, I BELIEVE THEY ARE PEAR TREES.

THERE ARE SMALL FRUIT TREES AND REPLANTING SOME OAK TREES ALONG HERE, AS WELL AS, UM, A CRATE MYRTLE ON.

SO THIS IS A CREPE MYRTLE, AND THEN TWO LIVE OAK TREES TOWARDS THE BASE THERE, ALONG THE DRIVE.

THE REST OF THE SITE IS REMAINING ON CHANGE.

SO IT'S IN RED THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO ALTER.

I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED ON THE FLOOR PLAN FOR YOU HERE.

UM, I USED A REALLY SUSPECT TOOL TO HIGHLIGHT THEM.

SO I'M SORRY, MY LINES AREN'T PERFECT, BUT WE HAVE

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THE PROPOSED WAIT STATION ON THE RIGHT-HAND ELEVATION.

AND THEN ON THE LEFT-HAND ELEVATION, THERE'S AN OUTDOOR SEATING AREA.

SO IT'S MOSTLY UNENCLOSED SPACE WITH A SMALL ENCLOSED RESTROOM AND WAIT STATION.

AND THEN THEY'RE ENLARGING THE SERVICE YARD BY JUST A LITTLE BIT HERE THAT IS ALREADY AN EXISTING SERVICE YARD, JUST TO INCORPORATE SOME OF THOSE OTHER UTILITIES THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO WALK RIGHT UP TO ON THE ELEVATIONS.

THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN REALLY SEE MY LINE WORK.

UM, YOU'VE GOT THE PROPOSED FRONT AND LEFT ELEVATION.

SO THIS IS THE FRONT.

IF YOU WERE STANDING ON 46, LOOKING UP THAT HILL, YOU WERE GOING TO SEE THIS.

HERE IS YOUR PROPOSED PORCH.

THERE IS ONE BAY OF EMPTY HERE.

SO THIS WALL THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS ACTUALLY SET BACK FROM THE FRONT PLANE OF THIS BUILDING BY ONE BAY.

AND THEN ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, YOU'RE SEEING A CONTINUATION OF THAT ROOF, UM, FOR THE WAIT STATION THAT IS ON THIS SIDE.

IF YOU ARE INSIDE THE RESTAURANT FROM HERE, YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE, UM, BIRD FEEDERS THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE WINDOW, SO THAT THE PROPOSED COLOR, UM, I WILL LEAVE THAT TO THE APPLICANT WHEN YOU OPEN UP THE FLOOR TO THEM.

HOWEVER, I DO NOT BELIEVE.

SO THIS IS THE ONE I CHOSE THAT YOU CAN'T REALLY CLEARLY THAT THE LEFT ELEVATION HERE.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT.

IF YOU WERE STANDING ON THE DRIVEWAY, AS YOU GO INTO THE, INTO THE PARKING LOT, UM, YOU'D SEE THIS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE THERE.

AND THEN THIS IS THE PROPOSED REAR AND RIGHT ELEVATION.

SO THIS IS THE SIDE THAT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE A SIDEWALK.

YOU WOULDN'T REALLY WALK UP ON THIS ONE, UNLESS YOU'RE DECIDING TO GO LOOK AT THE CHICKENS ON THIS ONE HERE.

THIS IS, IF YOU'RE COMING FROM THE PARKING AREA, THIS IS THE, UM, PROPOSED PORTS THAT YOU'RE SEEING.

AND YOU WILL NOT SEE THE WEIGHT STATION ADDITION FROM THE REAR ELEVATION LOOKING AT THIS BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE IT FROM THE FRONT END, THE RIGHT SIDE OR YEAH, RIGHT SIDE.

I'M SORRY.

SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS OR APPROVE THE APPLICATION, UH, OR DENY THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.

ONCE THEY HAVE REVIEWED THE CRITERIA, WHICH ARE FOUND IN SECTION 3.17 OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, I'VE LISTED THOSE CRITERIA FOR YOU ON THE SCREEN AND IN YOUR STAFF REPORTS, I HAVE GONE INTO MORE DETAIL ABOUT STAFF'S FINDING ON THOSE.

THE SUMMARY OF THOSE FINDINGS IS THAT STAFF HAS FOUND THAT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, UM, IT WOULD BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SECTION 3, 1 7 3 OF THE INVITE DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE AND WOULD MEET THOSE CRITERIA.

UM, THE FIRST ITEM IS THAT THE ROOF STRUCTURE ON THE LEFT SIDE ELEVATION WOULD NEED TO BE MODIFIED TO A FOREIGN 12 PITCH IN ORDER TO MEET THE ORDINANCE.

UM, I'M STOPPING ON THIS ONE FOR JUST A MOMENT BECAUSE IN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR, UM, THE ACTUAL CODE SECTION SAYS THAT FLAT ROOFS ARE NOT PERMITTED.

AND THEN IN PARENTHESIS IT SAYS A FLAT ROOF IS CONSIDERED ANYTHING LESS THAN FOUR AND 12 PITCH.

SO RIGHT NOW THEY'VE GOT IT PROPOSED AS A TWO AND 12.

THAT'S THIS RIGHT HERE.

UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE OTHER SIDE IS THAT A THREE AND 12, UM, BECAUSE THAT WAS BUILT WITH THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, IT TIES INTO THE ROOF LINE.

UM, STAFF DOESN'T FIND A HUGE ISSUE WITH THIS.

BEYOND THAT A FLAT ROOF IN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR IS CONSIDERED TO BE A FOUR AND 12 OR GREATER IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

THERE ISN'T A NUMBER THAT IS TIED TO IT.

UM, AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU SHOULD JUST TAKE NOTE OF AS YOU, AS YOU REVIEW THIS APPLICATION, IT IS A PITCHED ROOF.

IT IS JUST A LOW PITCHED ROOF THAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT HERE.

SO IT'S NOT AN ENTIRELY FLAT ROOF.

UM, THE SECOND ITEM THAT STAFF HAS PULLED TO YOUR ATTENTION IS THAT ALL COMMENTS PROVIDED BY THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AMENDMENT WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AND APPROVED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY APPLICATION.

UM, THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE HAD A HANDFUL OF COMMENTS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AMENDMENT THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN REVIEWED.

WE'RE JUST AWAITING RESUBMITTED DOCUMENTS, ADDRESSING THOSE ITEMS. ONE OF THOSE ITEMS WAS THAT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN NEEDS TO BE UPDATED, TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.

AND YOU CAN SEE HERE WHERE THAT IS LOOKING AT.

IT IS PRIMARILY THE FOUNDATION PLANTINGS ALONG THIS AREA HERE JUST PROVIDING THE, UM, THEY'LL NEED TO PROVIDE THE SPECIES THAT ARE GOING IN AS WELL AS THE SIZES ON THAT.

SO THOSE ARE LISTED IN THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE COMMENTS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.

I BELIEVE IT IS ATTACHMENT FIVE, BUT DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE AS WELL.

SO, UM, I'M SPEAKING ON THEIR BEHALF WHEN I SAY THEY'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS TOO, OR AT LEAST THEY'RE HERE TO DO SO WHETHER THEY'RE HAPPY ABOUT IT OR NOT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK SO THERE'S NO APPLICANT.

THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE.

YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN ATTENDANCE.

I THOUGHT I HAD

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APPLICANT I'M SO SORRY.

WE CAN STILL GO FORWARD EMMY.

UM, THE APPLICANT'S NOT GOING TO BE HERE TO SPEAK ON THEIR APPLICATION AND THAT CREATES AN ISSUE.

UM, IF THE APPLICANT SAY THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE HERE AT THE FARM, THAT THEY'D BE HERE, UM, YOU CAN ALSO TABLE IT FOR A MOMENT, UH, AND SEE IF YOU CAN GIVE, ANSWER YOUR CALL BECAUSE SHE IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.

YEP.

SORRY.

I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IT AND SWITCH TO THE NEXT ONE.

UH, WE CAN EITHER, OR WE CAN, UH, MOTION TO RECESS FOR A MOMENT, MAYBE TWO OR THREE MINUTES FOR KATIE OF TO CALL AND SEE IF SHE CAN BE HERE.

AND THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO REARRANGE THE AGENDA.

IF SHE'S NOT AVAILABLE, THEN WE CAN JUST TABLE IT FOR THE NEXT MEETING.

DRAG ROBBIE'S BOAT HERE TO, I HAVE A MOTION FOR A RECESS OF THREE MINUTES.

SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR.

AYE.

THE OWNER.

AND THEY WILL BE HERE IN ABOUT 10 MINUTES.

THE AGENDA THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DECIDED, BUT WE HAD MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND WANTED TO SPEAK ON THE INDIGO OF THE INDIGO CODE TOWNHOME APPLICATION.

SO WE CAN, CAN WE SWITCH THE ITEM OR NO ANCHOR? WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT UNUSUAL.

THIS IS UNUSUAL.

SO WE , UH, THIS IS FOR AN ITEM ON

[IX.2. Indigo Cove Townhomes (Preliminary Development Plan) (Part 2 of 2)]

UH, THEY'VE BEEN KIND ENOUGH TO SPEAK WITH ME DURING THE RECESS ABOUT, UH, WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO.

AND THE REQUEST HAS BEEN MADE TO BE ABLE TO JUST SPEAK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, TO LET THEIR, THEIR CONCERNS BE HEARD SO THAT I CAN ASSIST THOSE, THE TOWN STAFF AND, UH, DRC WHEN Y'ALL ARE REVIEWING YOUR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS SO THAT THEY CAN PERHAPS GET SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS ANSWERED AT SOME POINT, UH, TO GET MANAGERIAL IF IT'S, IF IT'S OKAY.

I LIKE TO REQUEST THAT THEY BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY JUST TO, TO SPEAK WHILE WE'RE IN THIS ODD LITTLE AREA WITH THE PENDING.

IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO RELATE TO THE APPLICANT? YEAH.

APPLICANTS IN THE HALLWAY.

I THINK IT WOULD BE TO THE BENEFIT OF HAVING THE APPLICANT IN HERE.

I MEAN, IN EVERYBODY'S INTEREST, I, I WOULD'VE THOUGHT THE APPLICANT HAD LEFT.

UM, I SAID, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO THE GROUND RICHARDSON.

I HAVE A QUESTION IF WE'RE REHASHING THIS, DO I NEED TO EXCUSE MYSELF FROM THIS TABLE DURING THAT PORTION? UH, YES.

YES.

MA'AM JUST FOR IT BECAUSE THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE A, BUT IT'S NOT, AND WE'RE NOT GIVING FEEDBACK.

WE'RE JUST LISTENING.

RIGHT NOW ALL, UM, ALL THE APPLICANTS OR ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENT HAS REQUESTED IS AN OPPORTUNITY JUST TO BE HEARD ON THIS ISSUE.

UM, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A, THIS IS NOT A MOTION TO REOPEN OR ANYTHING IN THAT FUTURE AT THIS POINT.

SO IT'S JUST TO BRING THAT PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE Y'ALL, WHILE WE'RE IN THIS MEETING AND IN THE EVENT, ANYTHING IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT TRIGGERS YOU ALL TO DO A MOTION TO REOPEN OR RECONSIDER OR SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.

YOU HAVE THAT.

RIGHT.

BUT REALLY THIS IS JUST ABOUT GETTING THAT PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE RECORD.

SO, UM, SO HOW DO I, HOW DO I GET OUT OF, UM, WHAT WE WERE DOING TO GET INTO THAT? SO THIS IS GOING, AND THAT'S WHY I SAID IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT UNUSUAL, HOW TO GET THE NEW IS MAKE A COUPLE OF COMPLICATED, UH, MOTIONS HERE, IF THAT'S OKAY.

OR WE CAN JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS OPEN ITEMS AT THE MOMENT.

SO WE WERE EITHER GOING TO HAVE TO TABLE IT, THEN CONTINUE OR RECESS, OR GO AHEAD AND HEAR THE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ONE NIGHT.

SO YOU'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO GUIDE ME ON WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO SAY.

I CONTINUE TO REASSESS ON THIS ONE.

SO WHAT, UM, I'LL MAKE THE I'LL, I'LL MAKE THE MOTIONS, BUT I NEED SOMEONE TO ACTUALLY MOVE IT.

IF THAT'S, UM, TO, UH, RECOMMEND THAT WE MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, TABLE A DECISION ON ITEM 3, 10, 25 MAKE PRIOR UNTIL LATER IN THE MEETING.

THAT, HE WOULD BE FROWNING BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THAT COMPLIES WITH ROBERT'S RULES DESPITE KIND PRESENTATION.

SECOND DISCUSSION IN FAVOR.

AYE, AYE.

AND MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEMS TO INDIGO CODE TOWNHOMES.

SECOND, SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR.

AND NOW WE ARE, WE'RE READY TO ACCEPT SOME, SOME COMIC-CON.

AND LET ME BE VERY CLEAR.

UH, IF MR. ROBERTS WAS HERE AND HEARD ME DO

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IT'S THE BEST, NOT IN THE SENSE OF FAIRNESS.

WE NEED TO HEAR THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

ABSOLUTELY.

AND FOR THOSE THAT ARE ABOUT TO MAKE THE PUBLIC COMMENT, THREE OF US UP HERE ON THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE AND THE STAFF IS SO WE WILL HEAR YOUR COMMENTS.

I MEAN, WE WILL, WE WILL LISTEN TO YOUR COMMENTS.

I RECUSED MY CELL PHONE.

SO THIS'LL BE THREE MINUTES AND YOU NEED TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

GREAT.

MY NAME IS KATHY BOERNER AND I LIVE AT FIVE BENTALL COURT IN BLUFFTON, SOUTH CAROLINA.

UM, WE LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP ON THE VERY TOP EDGE OF THAT, WHICH IS WIND TREE.

SO THE NEW DEVELOPMENT IS, UM, RIGHT.

YOU CAN SEE OUR HOMES RIGHT THERE ON THE TOP.

SO I THINK OUR MAIN CONCERN IS TALKING ABOUT A BUFFER BETWEEN THE GREEN SPACE AND THE PARKING AND WHERE WE LIVE.

I'M ASSUMING THAT PARKING LOT HAVE LIGHTS ON IT, UM, WHICH IS GONNA KIND OF DIMINISH OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.

SO I WOULD URGE YOU TO CONSIDER PUTTING A BUFFER EITHER ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER SIDE OF THOSE, UM, THOSE AREAS, WHICH ARE GOING TO AFFECT US.

UM, AND I ALREADY HEARD EARLIER, WHICH I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT HAD ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.

OF COURSE, WE'RE CONCERNED ALSO ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC COMING AND GOING BOTH ON BUCK ISLAND ROAD AND THE BLUFFTON PARKWAY.

SO I GUESS THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AND MAYBE THERE'S NOTHING WE COULD BE DONE, BUT, UM, I THINK EVERYBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ESPECIALLY ON OUR SIDE IS VERY MUCH CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING A BUFFER PLACE THERE AND, UM, OR POSSIBLY MOVING THE PARKING FURTHER DOWN.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE PROPERTY ENDS THERE, BUT IF THERE WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE THE PARKING AWAY FROM OUR HOMES, THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR US TO THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT ARE WE OKAY, KEVIN, TO CLOSE THAT PORTION? YES.

MA'AM UM, PUBLIC COMMENT.

AND NOW WE ARE GOING BACK TO ITEM NUMBER THREE.

A MOTION TO TAKE TO TABLE.

SO DO, DO I NEED TO DO MUCH TO BE ABLE AGAIN OR YOU'RE GOOD.

I CAN MAKE

[IX.3. 1055 May River Road (Certificate of Appropriateness-HCO) (Part 2 of 2)]

FULLY SHATTERED ON THAT PLAN RIGHT THERE.

DO I HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WE BETTER ASK SOME GOOD QUESTIONS.

DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK, OR DO YOU WANT TO JUST HAVE US ASK QUESTIONS OR, OKAY.

WE'LL JUST COME UP TO THE PODIUM IN CASE WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.

IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WANT TO TELL US, BUT WHY DON'T WE WAIT, WE'LL JUST START GOING.

WHAT'S THAT? YOU JUST TELL US WHY YOU'RE DOING IT.

WHY ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT DOING THIS? WHAT'S WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF, UH, I GUESS IT'S KIND OF TO KEEP UP WITH COMPETITION IN TOWN.

EVERYBODY HAS, SEEMS TO WANT TO EAT OUTDOORS THESE DAYS SINCE THE PANDEMIC, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A MAKESHIFT DEAL WHEN IT WAS HOT AND HEAVY, WHICH I GUESS FELT, SHE JUST TOLD US IT'S OVER NOW.

IT'S STILL PEOPLE WE HAD TIMES OF THE YEAR WHERE IT'S NICE TO EAT OUTSIDE SO THAT WE'RE TRYING TO OFFER THAT OPTION QUESTION.

UM, WAS THE EXISTING PART OF IT ALWAYS, UH, UH, INDOOR DINING OR IS THAT ONCE OUTDOOR DINING ALSO, IT WAS ONCE OUTDOOR DINING.

WELL, THE NEW PART B INDOOR DINING AT SOME POINT, OR WILL YOU KEEP IT ANY MORE INDOOR SEASON? THE MAIN THING WE WANT TO ADD A BATHROOM, WHICH WE REALLY NEED ANOTHER BATHROOM.

SO WE SAID, IF WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF JUST ADDING A BATHROOM, WE MIGHT AS WELL TRY TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE.

SPEAKING OF THAT, I KNOW THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY OUR THING, BUT BUILDING CODE WISE, IF ANOTHER BATHROOM HAS TO BE ADDED, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL THOUGHT ABOUT THAT OR LOCATION.

JUST, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.

SO JUST IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND, JUST THINK ABOUT THAT.

UM, WE ARE ACTUALLY ON PUBLIC SEWAGE.

NOW THAT'S A PROJECT.

WE, IT TOOK THREE YEARS TO DO IT.

SO IT'S ONE OF THE HOLDUPS OF IT TAKING SO LONG TO GET THIS TO THIS POINT.

WHAT ABOUT PARKING? IS THERE ENOUGH, KATIE? WE, WE, WE DID AN ANALYSIS OF THAT.

UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS HAS A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AMENDMENT WITH THAT.

AND THE, THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT WAS PROVIDED WAS, UH, SUFFICIENT TO, TO MEET THE NEEDS OF BOTH THE EXISTING.

AND THEN WHAT THEY'RE IN ESSENCE PROPOSING, I THINK THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT LANDSCAPING AS WELL, WHILE IT'S NOT

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UM, PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT PLAN AMENDMENT, UH, WILL REQUIRE.

UM, AND I THINK IT HASN'T BEEN HERE TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES FROM THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AMENDMENT PRIOR TO FINAL APPROVAL.

SO IF THIS EVENING, IF YOU CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, THESE CONDITIONS RIGHT HERE, ONCE THEY'RE MET, UM, AS WELL AS THE CONDITIONS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT THEY CAN BE APPROVED.

I HAVE A RECOMMENDATION, SOME OF THE PROJECTS WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL DENIAL OR ANYTHING TO STAFF HAVE A RECOMMENDATION.

STAFF'S FOUND THAT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.

AND AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE THE CONDITIONS OF THE APPROVAL.

UM, IF IT WERE TO MEET SECTION 3 17, 3 OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, UM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A DEVIATION FROM THAT ROOF PITCH OF FOUR AND 12.

IT IS STILL A RE A PITCHED ROOF TO TAP UNDER THE EXISTING STRUCTURES EVE RATHER THAN TRYING TO TIE IT IN, UM, AND, AND POTENTIALLY CREATE SOME WATER CHALLENGES WITH THE, UM, ROOF TIE IN THERE.

ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAD TO DO IT THIS WAY WAS, UM, FIRE CODES PURPOSES TO, UM, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, I GUESS, THERE, THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT THE ROOF, IT COULDN'T ACTUALLY ATTACHED.

IT HAD TO BE A SEPARATE DEAL.

THE WALL IN BETWEEN THE OUTSIDE STRUCTURE AND THE EXISTING BUILDING WILL BE A FIREWALL WELL, AND AESTHETICALLY, YOU HAVE THE ARCHITECTS UP HERE, AESTHETICALLY.

I DON'T SEE HOW THEY PROTECT.

I'M LOOKING ALL THE WAY DOWN THERE.

I DON'T HAVE ANY AESTHETIC ISSUES ON IT AT ALL.

I MEAN, I THINK IT'S NOT A FLAT RATE.

I KNOW IT'S DEFINED AS A FLAT ROOF, BUT IT'S STILL PITCHED AND IT'S IN KEEPING WITH WHAT'S ALREADY THERE, THE THREE IN 12 AND THE ONE AND 12.

SO I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH IT.

WHAT ELSE? UM, ROBBIE, THE CREPE MYRTLES AND THE LIVE OAKS THAT ARE SHOWN ON HERE, ARE THOSE EXISTING, THEY WOULD BE EXISTING THERE OR ARE THEY PROPOSED THE LIVE OAKS PROPOSED? THE CREPE MYRTLE IS EXISTING.

AND THEN ONE OUT BY THE CORNER AT THE TURN DIRT ROAD TO THE PARKING LOT IS ALSO EXISTING.

UM, THAT'S I JUST WANT TO GET CLARIFICATION ON THAT.

UM, MY ONLY COMMENT IS IT DIDN'T, I'M SURE THIS IS ALL COVERED BY DRC IS JUST, THIS NEEDS TO BE A RURAL LANDSCAPE PLAN WITH PLANT QUANTITIES.

SO I KNOW WHAT'S PROPOSED AND EXISTING, UM, WITH A FOUNDATION PLAN AND A PLANT SCHEDULE THAT IDENTIFIES THE SIZES OF IT.

SO WHAT'S THAT, THAT'S AN INTERESTING DISCUSSION WE CAN HAVE AT A DIFFERENT TIME NOW.

UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE ADDITION AND RENOVATIONS TO CAHILL'S MARKET.

UM, WITH THE, UH, STIPULATION THAT ALL COMMENTS PROVIDED BY THE DRC FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AMENDMENT MUST BE ADDRESSED AND APPROVED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE COA AND HCL AVIATION.

UM, JUST REAL QUICK, THE UDL ADMINISTRATOR HAD ALREADY APPROVED THE DEVIATION, RIGHT.

DO WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT? UH, KATIE, WOULD YOU MIND CONFIRMING, PRESENT DEVIATION HAS NOT FORMALLY, BUT IT IS THE REQUEST THAT, THAT ALL CONSIDER IT IN YOUR, IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND, AND THAT WE, UM, ALLOW FOR DEVIATION FROM THE PITCHED ROOF VERSUS FLAT ROOF, UM, TO ALLOW FOR A TWO 12 PITCH ROOF ON THE ADDITION AND 302.

SO SECOND TO ANY FOR LESS THAN FOUR 12, JUST IN CASE, UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

AYE, AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR COMING DOWN.

YEAH, THIS IS WHERE I COULD BE SERIOUS FOR A MINUTE.

I WILL NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF FOR ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

[IX.4. Ma Daisy's (Preliminary Development Plan]

HOLDINGS, LLC, FOR APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION, THE PROJECT PROPOSES THE REDEVELOPMENT OF A 1.85 ACRE SITE TO INCLUDE RESTAURANT COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL USES IN FOUR BUILDINGS.

ITEM FOUR ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, MA DAISY'S PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR REQUEST BY DAISY'S LEGACY

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THE PROPERTY IS ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL HISTORIC DISTRICT IDENTIFIED BY THE ATTACHED TAX MAP NUMBER AND LOCATED AT 1255 MAY RIVER JORDAN.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, SIR.

UM, SINCE YOU READ THROUGH THE APPLICANT REQUESTS, I'M NOT GONNA REPEAT THAT FOR YOU.

UH, JUST TO GIVE A BRIEF DESCRIPTION BACKGROUND, IS IT FOR PR FOR A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, LOCATED NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL, UH, HD ZONING DISTRICT, AND THEREFORE IT'S SUBJECT TO THE STANDARDS SET FORTH IN TANA, BLUFFTON, U D O A SUBJECT PARCEL IS LOCATED BETWEEN PIN OAK STREET AND SCHULTZ ROAD WITH ACCESS TO THE PARCEL FOR MAY RIVER ROAD PROJECT CONSISTS OF TWO RESTAURANT SPACES, TWO OFFICE SPACES, TWO COMMERCIAL SERVICES, ESTABLISHMENTS, AND THREE RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

UH, STAFF COMMENTS ON THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WERE REVIEWED AT THE MARCH 23RD, 2022 DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING.

AND THE APPLICANT HAS SINCE PROVIDED A RESPONSE TO COMMENTS AND UPDATED EXHIBITS TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS PROVIDED, UH, DUE TO THE PROJECT BEING WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OR A HISTORIC DISTRICT.

UH, THE PLAN WILL BE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS PROCESS AS WELL.

UH, JUST A MAP REAL QUICK, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.

THE PARCEL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED AND YOU CAN SEE PIN OAK STREET TO YOUR WEST AND SCHULTZ ROAD TO YOUR EAST.

UM, JUST FOR FURTHER CLARIFICATION, UNDERGROUND BURRITO, RIGHT NEXT DOOR, UM, DEER TONGUE WAREHOUSE.

THAT'S THE AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FORMER, UM, PEPPERS PORCH, UH, HERE IS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN FOR MONDAZI'S THAT WAS SUBMITTED.

YOU HAVE THREE SEPARATE PARCELS HERE, UM, AND THERE WILL BE A SUBDIVISION APPLICATION, UH, FURTHER ALONG IN THE PROCESS FOR THAT, THE BUILDINGS ON THE EAST OF THE PLANS OF BUILDING ONE AND TWO ARE BOTH THE RESTAURANT USES, UH, BUILDING THREE, UM, IS THE, UM, RETAIL SERVICES ESTABLISHMENT WITH THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON TOP OF IT.

AND THEN THE COMMERCIAL SERVICES IN BUILDING FOUR UP HERE AS WELL.

UM, DID YOU HAVE AN OUTDOOR PAVILION AREA, UM, WITH EXISTING LANDSCAPING SHOWN HERE, UM, WITH PARKING BACK IN TERMS OF OUR REVIEW CRITERIA, PLANNING COMMISSION SHALL CONSIDER THE CRITERIA CRITERIA SET FORTH IN SECTION 3, 10, 3 OF THE UDL AND ASSESSING THE APPLICATION FOR A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A APPLICABLE CRITERIA WILL BE ALL ON THE NEXT SLIDE.

SO THESE SIX CRITERIA, UM, I GAVE MORE DETAILED ANALYSIS AND FINDINGS PROVIDING THE STAFF REPORT.

I'D BE HAPPY TO GO OVER THEM INDIVIDUALLY IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO, OR IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THEM.

UM, BUT STAFF, UM, I'LL GET TO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UH, YOUR ACTION HERE TONIGHT.

UH, YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO TAKE, UM, THE FALLING ACTION.

YOU CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS, TABLE THE APPLICATION, OR DENY THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.

A TOWN STAFF FINDS THAT THE CONDITIONS NOTED BELOW, WHICH ARE THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 3, 10, 3 A OF THE VIDEO WILL BE MET AND RECOMMEND THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS MET PRIOR TO FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL.

UM, NUMBER ONE IS THAT PER SECTION 5 64 OF THE STUDIO, 10% RESIDENTIAL OPEN SPACE NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED IN THE PLANS.

UM, NUMBER TWO, PER SECTION FIVE 11 FOR A ONE OF THE STUDIO, A DRIVE OUT WITH OF 18 FEET SHALL BE PROVIDED.

UH, NUMBER THREE PER SECTION 5, 3 7 E UH, BUILDING FOUNDATION PLANTING SHALL BE PROVIDED ON ALL APPLICABLE STRUCTURES.

UH, NUMBER FOUR, REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE TO BE NO LARGER THAN 1200 SQUARE FEET PER SECTION 5 15, 6 F.

AND NUMBER FIVE PER TABLE 5 15 70, 1 OF THE UDL PROVIDE REQUIRED PARKING SPACES FOR EACH RESTAURANT USE, TAKE TAKING PORCHES AND OUTDOOR SEATING INTO CONSIDERATION.

ANY QUESTIONS.

THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

WHY DON'T WE LET THE APPLICANT JUST SPEAK FIRST? IF WE COULD.

GOOD EVENING FOLKS.

I'M WALLACE MILLING WITH WHITMER JONES, KIEFER.

WE ARE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANTS.

THE APPLICANTS HERE ARE BILLY WATERSON AND MS. BRIDGET FRAZIER, AND, UH, WE'RE WORKING FOR THEM AND, UH, REAL EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S REVIEW OF IT AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

CAN WE START LETTING YOU, YOU SEEM TO GET TO START FIRST ALL THE TIME TONIGHT.

YOU HAVE.

I ACTUALLY DO NOT HAVE QUESTIONS.

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING RIGHT NOW.

UM, FIRST OF ALL, I LOVE THE, I DROVE BACK THERE THE OTHER DAY AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF BUILDINGS THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED.

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I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS AND I DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF THE DEER TONGUE BUILDING, BUT I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE RELOCATING.

THAT IS THAT TRUE? THAT'S WONDERFUL.

MY QUESTION REALLY COMES TO THE LAST POINT ON STAFF'S THING THAT YOU WILL PROVIDE ENOUGH PARKING, INCLUDING ALL OF THE OUTDOOR SEATING.

IS THAT ON THIS PLAN OR DO YOU HAVE TO CHANGE IT? WELL, IT, IT IS, UM, UH, ASSUME THAT STAFF PUT THE COMMENT ON THERE, UM, BECAUSE THERE MIGHT BE SOME CONFUSION ABOUT IT, BUT THAT, UH, PARKING TABLE UP AT THE TOP LEFT-HAND CORNER OF THE PLAN SEEKS TO MEET THAT CONDITION, WHICH, UM, YOU KNOW, TH TH THERE IS A SUBDIVISION PLAN SHOWN HERE.

AND BASICALLY IF YOU TAKE THOSE FIRST TWO BUILDINGS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PLAN, MOST OF THE PARKING UP AT THE TOP OF THE PLAN IS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE TWO BUILDINGS, WHICH ARE THE RESTAURANT USES, WHICH HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE MOST, UM, DENSE PARKING REQUIREMENT.

SO THOSE BUILDINGS ARE TAKEN OR THEIR SQUARE FOOTAGES ARE USED AS WELL AS SOME OUTDOOR SEATING, SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR PORTRAITS.

UM, AND, AND EVEN SOME OF THE PATIO SPACE AS WELL.

SO, JORDAN, COULD YOU CLARIFY, IS THAT, THAT LAST COMMENT IN YOUR CONDITIONS ARE THE CONDITIONS ALREADY MET? LIKE, LIKE YOU SAID, THAT THERE COULD BE SOME CONFUSION HERE.

SO IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY PROVIDED IN THAT PART IN TABLE, UM, THEY PROVIDED FOR 1300 SQUARE FEET IS WHAT THEY CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS, TOWARDS THE PORCH SPACE BEING USED FOR OUTDOOR SEATING FOR RESTAURANTS.

UNFORTUNATELY, THE WHOLE PORTION HAS TO BE CONSIDERED BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON A PER TABLE BASIS.

SO THEY CAN'T JUST SAY, HEY, 500 SQUARE FEET OF THIS 1200 SQUARE FOOT PORCH IS BEING USED FOR RESTAURANT.

SO WE'RE ONLY ALLOCATING THAT MUCH SPACE.

UM, SO WHAT ARE THE PORTIONS WOULD BE ADJUSTED A LITTLE BIT, OR THE NUMBERS NEED TO BE FURTHER REFINED A LITTLE BIT.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY NECESSARY, UM, CONCERNS THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MEET THE PARKING STANDARDS.

WE JUST HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND REFINE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE, WHICH WILL BE ALL HASHED OUT GOING THROUGH THE FUND DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS AS WELL, BUT JUST WANTED TO MAKE NOTE OF SOMETHING.

SO THERE WAS FINAL CLARIFICATION BY THE TIME WE GET THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

BEING ADDRESSED? IS THERE JUST GOING TO BE A DROP-OFF IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE MUCH MORE THAN A STEP IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

AND I APOLOGIZE AHEAD OF TIME.

I SEEM TO BE THE PARKING GUY ALONG WITH EVERYBODY ELSE HERE, BUT IT'S BECOMING MORE AND MORE OFFENSIVE AND I'M SURE LOOKING AT IT AND YOU'RE WORKING WITH THEM.

THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH AT THE SAME CONCERN.

BUT I THINK AFTER MY MEETING, HOW HAS THE WHAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE GARDEN STRUCTURE? HOW'S THAT BEING USED? WHAT'S THAT FOR IT'S REALLY VERY CONCEPTUAL AT THIS TIME.

UM, IT'LL DEFINITELY GO THROUGH THE, UH, HISTORIC, UM, REVIEW BOARD.

UH, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S, I MEAN, THE THOUGHT IS TO HAVE SOME SIGNAGE THERE AND FOR IT TO BE AN OUTDOOR TYPE GARDEN PAVILION TYPE STRUCTURE, OPEN AIR, JUST SOME GARDEN ELEMENTS, MAYBE SOME, SOME PLANTING, UM, ON THE MAY RIVER ROAD SIDE, UM, BUT OPENING UP AND BECOMING OF A LANDSCAPE ELEMENT ON THE COURTYARD SIDE.

UM, THAT'S, AS FAR AS WE'VE GOTTEN WITH THAT, IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE ICONIC GARDENING THING UNDER THE OAKS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

UM, WHAT'S THE HANDICAP EXCESS ON BUILDING FOUR HOW'S THAT WORK CAUSE THAT'S THAT RELOCATED? UH, IT'S THE RELOCATED BUILDING, WHICH I THINK IS RAISED UP RIGHT NOW AND IT LOOKS A BIT, THERE'S NOT A RAMP AND I SEE THE BOARDWALK IN THE BACK AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE INTENTION.

IS THERE PARKING IN THE BACK, COMING THROUGH BUILDING THREE TO GET TO BUILDING FOUR? I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE, YEAH, TH THEY COULD DO THAT.

THAT'S POSSIBLE.

AND WE'RE STILL WORKING OUT ALL OF THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS, BUT THERE'S DEFINITELY ENOUGH RUN THAT BUILDING WILL BE RAISED UP, BUT, UM, THINK ABOUT THE GARVIN HOUSE AND HOW IT'S RAISED UP VERY LITTLE.

UM, SO IT'S NOT A TYPICAL 30 INCH, UM, ELEVATION CHANGE.

IT'S PRETTY SLIGHT.

SO, UM, THERE MIGHT EVEN BE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A RAMP IN THE FRONT TO IT BECAUSE IT'S HISTORICALLY SPEAKING.

I MEAN, IT, IT, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE COTTAGE THAT WOULD JUST HAVE PEERS FAR ENOUGH OUT OF THE GROUND TO GET THAT WORK, KEEP THAT FOR DRY.

THAT'LL BE PICKED UP DURING THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, OBVIOUSLY.

YEP.

UM, THE PAD THAT'S UP THERE BY THE WATER FEATURE.

AND THAT'S HOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SAY THAT.

THAT'S HOW THANK YOU.

I'D PREFER TO SAY THAT CORRECTLY FROM HERE ON OUT.

UM, HOW HAS THAT, THAT, WHERE IT CONNECTS UP TO THE SIDEWALK? IT APPEARS RIGHT NOW, I THINK THERE'S STEPS THAT GO DOWN INTO THE PLAZA.

HOW IS THAT

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THAT'S CORRECT.

YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT BEING LIKE A SEAT WALL HEIGHT ON THE LANDSCAPE PLANTER.

SO WHEN YOU'RE DOWN IN THE BATEAU WATER FEATURE PLAZA SPACE, YOU'RE JUST SEEK WALL HEIGHT DOWN LESS THAN 30 INCHES.

SO YOU'RE, IT'S KIND OF A CUT-THROUGH, BUT YOU'RE NOT REALLY INTENDING PEOPLE TO WALK THROUGH THERE NECESSARILY, OR ARE YOU POTENTIALLY, AND THE THOUGHT IS THAT IT WOULD BE A CONTROLLED AND YOU GUYS CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE A CONTROLLED SPACE SO THAT THEY COULD CLOSE IT OFF IF THEY, IF THEY WANTED TO FOR SAFETY REASONS OR THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT I THINK THAT THE IDEA IS FOR THAT TO BE MORE OF A PUBLIC PLAZA FEELING ELEMENT FOR THE, FOR THE COMMUNITY, UM, TO ENJOY.

SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF IT SHOULDN'T HAVE A STEP THEN RATHER THAN IT BE A SEAT WALT ON THERE.

CAUSE IT'S OBVIOUSLY CONNECTED TO THE RESTROOM, BUT IT'S MORE THAN YOU'RE SAYING IT'S A SEAT WALL HEIGHT, WHICH WOULD BE LIKE INSTEAD OF THAT'S, THAT'D BE A HEFTY STEP TO COME DOWN AND SEE WHAT YOU'RE KEEPING THE STEPS.

THAT'S A SEAT WALL.

SO WHAT I'M TELLING YOU, THIS DEPRESSED IN THERE.

GOT IT.

NOW I'M TRACKING WHAT YOUR, OKAY.

UM, THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT I THINK I HAVE, AND I'LL CHECK MY NOTES HERE IN A SECOND, BUT IS, UM, THE TREE PROTECTION THAT WAS SHOWN AND I'M VERY SPECIFICALLY REFERRING TO THE 40 INCH PLUS LIVE OAKS ONE THAT'S IN THE CENTER BETWEEN ALL THE BUILDINGS REALLY.

AND THEN THE ONE THAT'S OUT KIND OF BY THE, HOW, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT TREE PROTECTION IS OUT AND MEETS THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON STANDARDS.

THE WAY THAT IT'S NOTED, IT'S REALLY CLOSE.

IT'S SHOWN REALLY CLOSE.

THE NOTE ON THE ENGINEER PLANS BASICALLY SAYS DON'T PARK AFTER WE REMOVE THE DECK, DON'T PARK YOUR EQUIPMENT UNDER HERE.

WELL THAT NOTE'S NOT GOING TO PROTECT THE TREE IN REAL LIFE.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS IT MOVES THROUGH FINAL DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S SOME NOTES THAT THAT TREE PROTECTION NEEDS TO BE RESET, UM, TO BETTER PROTECT THE LIVE OAKS.

AND VERY SPECIFICALLY, I WAS LOOKING AT THOSE TWO, UM, HAVING JUST NOT ENOUGH TREE PROTECTION.

SO I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE LANDSCAPE PLAN TO WITH IN THAT FINAL.

SO I THINK THAT'S IT.

UM, FIRST OF ALL, MS. FRAZIER WALLACE, AND I'M SORRY, REALLY, UH, IT IS SUCH A PLEASURE TO SEE THIS SITE.

UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE KEY SITES IN TOWN BEING REDEVELOPED AND BEING PLANNED OUT.

UM, COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, THE, IN THE PAST PEPPER PORCH, SPECIFICALLY, THE BACK GOT KIND OF LOUD AT NIGHT AND THE PEOPLE THAT WERE ON, OH, WHAT IS IT? KIRBY CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE STREET BEHIND ER, KIRBY LANE BEHIND THERE WERE CONSTANTLY CALLING THE TOWN COMPLAINING, UM, IS THERE, AND I HOPE THIS IS A YES.

IS THERE GOING TO BE ALIVE MUSIC ASPECT OF IT? PART ONE PART TWO, UM, HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT NOISE ABATEMENT OR NOT GOING LATER IN THE NIGHT WITH IT? WELL, WE CAN'T DO ANY MUSIC.

THAT'S A SPECIAL EVENT.

SO WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU THAT WE'RE PASSING 15.

UM, WE DON'T GET GRANDFATHERED IN, SO WE'VE ALREADY PLANNED FOR THIS, NOT TO HAVE CONSISTENT LIVE ENTERTAINMENT BECAUSE OF THAT NOISE ORDINANCE.

UM, AND I, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE OPEN PAST 10, 11, SO, AND THERE IS NO BAR OUT BACK OR ANYTHING.

SO EVERYTHING IS YEAH.

SAY THE TWO RESTAURANTS ON THE, ON THE SIDE NOW, BUT LIVE MUSIC DEFINITELY IN THE INTERIOR, BUT WE ARE RESPECTFUL OF THAT.

SO WE CAN'T DO WE NEED TO RELOOK THAT, I'M SORRY, HAVING MUSIC IN THE COURTYARD WAS ONE OF THE PLEASURES OF THERE, BUT ANYWAYS, THAT'S A, THAT'S A SIREN.

THAT WAY, I DON'T, I MEAN, IT'S LIKE WE'RE REPLACING WHAT WAS THERE WITH PRETTY MUCH THE SAME SIZE WISE AND MASS WISE.

I GUESS THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO APPROACH FROM THE OTHER END.

UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I REALLY NOTED IN THERE, AND THIS IS JUST SOME QUESTIONS TO CLARIFY IN MY MIND, I NOTICED SOME, UM, STAFF COMMENTS ON THE DRC, UM, ABOUT THE BUILDING SIZE OF BUILDING ONE BEING 2,800 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN WHAT WE WOULD ANTICIPATE.

DO WE KNOW WHAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF PEPPER'S PORCH WAS WITH ALL THE ADDITIONS AND EVERYTHING? I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD FIND OUT, BUT IT WAS MULTIPLE BUILDINGS.

SO THERE WERE BIGGER THAN APPROXIMATELY 400.

IT WAS APPROXIMATELY THE SAME SIZE, IF NOT A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN WHAT I'M GOING BY, MY MEMORY, I'M JUST HOPING TO, SO THAT EVEN THOUGH IT READS

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SO IS THERE ANY CONCERN FROM STAFF BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S IN HERE, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING, WELL, WITH OUR FORM-BASED CODE, UM, WE HAVE A STATEMENT THAT YOUR FOOTPRINT OF YOUR BUILDING CAN BE NO LARGER THAN WHAT THE LARGEST FOOTPRINT THAT'S ALLOWED IN THAT DISTRICT.

UM, SO WE BROUGHT THIS TO THE APPLICANT APPLICANT'S ATTENTION.

SO, UM, THAT WAS, THAT WAS A CODE THAT WAS CHANGED PRIOR TO THIS APPLICATION BEING SUBMITTED.

SO THEY DO HAVE TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.

UM, SO I DON'T HAVE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW.

AND I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THAT MAXIMUM WAS.

UM, BUT THEY WILL HAVE TO, THEY'LL HAVE TO MEET THAT.

UM, AGAIN WITH THE PRELIMINARY PLAN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MAKING THAT COMMENT, WE'RE MAKING SURE AS THEY'RE REFINING OUR PLANS, THAT, THAT IT DOES MEET THOSE CRITERIA AS WELL AS THE FACT THAT IT WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR EACH BUILDING.

UM, SO THOSE BUILDINGS WILL BE APPROVED BY HPC, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS.

AND I BELIEVE WE PROVIDE IN THE, IN THE, UH, PACKET, UM, A PRETTY DETAILED, UM, SCHEDULE, JUST SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE, CAUSE THERE ARE MULTIPLE PROCESSES HOW THEY INTERTWINE WITH EACH OTHER.

UM, SO DEFINITELY WHEN WE PICKING THOSE UP AND DO WE, WE DON'T SEE THIS AGAIN AS PLANNING COMMISSION, DO WE, WE WILL ADD A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, FOR OUR, UM, I JUST, I, AND THIS IS JUST A COMMENT.

I THINK SOMETIMES WE, WE REGULATE OURSELVES OUT OF AN IDEAL PRODUCT AND THIS MAY BE ONE OF THOSE INSTANCES, UM, WITH THE HANDCUFFS ON LIVE MUSIC AND POTENTIAL HANDCUFFS ON SQUARE FOOTAGE, ON SOMETHING THAT'S GOING BACK WHERE SOMETHING ELSE WAS.

AND THAT'S JUST A COMMENT, NOT ANYTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT.

WELL, CERTAINLY.

AND COMMISSIONER WETMORE, IF I, IF I MAY, UH, AGAIN, BECAUSE WE HAVE A FEW NEWER MEMBERS OF THE, OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THERE IS RELATIVELY RARE, I THINK, UH, BASED OFF MY EXPERIENCE FOR Y'ALL TO HAVE A HISTORIC DISTRICT PRODUCTS COME BEFORE YOU ON A REGULAR BASIS.

SO I, IF I CAN JUST PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT, THE ARCHITECTURAL ASPECT OF IT WILL VIEWED AT THE HPC LEVEL, WHICH HAS FULL JURISDICTION OVER ARCHITECTURAL MATTERS WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

SO THAT THOSE FINAL ELEVATIONS ARE ALL GOING TO GET THROUGH THE, A VERY SIMILAR PROCESS TO THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU ALL ARE SEEING TONIGHT.

UH, AS FAR AS THE SIZE AND THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT, WHEN, UH, MR. SPOKE ABOUT FORM BASED CODE, UM, WHICH, WHICH I WAS NOT, NOT FAMILIAR WITH, IT'LL FOR HELPING YOU ALL OUT HERE OCCASIONALLY, UM, FOR BASE CODES, ESSENTIALLY WE HAVE IDENTIFIED A FEW BUILDING TYPES, UM, A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT BUILDING TYPES THAT ARE PERMITTED WITHIN THE VARIOUS ZONING DISTRICTS.

AND AS LONG AS THE BUILDING TYPE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, CAN BE KATIE, CAKE'S PROBABLY GONNA COVER HERE IS GOING TO TRY TO REMEMBER WHAT THEY ARE, BUT, YOU KNOW, SIDE YARD COTTAGE, UM, ALL SORTS OF OTHER, SOME REASON.

THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I CAN REMEMBER, BUT THERE ARE A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT BUILDING TYPES THAT YOU CAN GET OVER THERE.

AND SO EACH OF THOSE BUILDING TYPES FOR LIMITED FOOTPRINT BOTS, AND THOSE ARE SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE CONSTRAINTS ON A DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT DISTRICTS WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, FROM NEIGHBORHOOD COORDINATOR FOR THE GENERAL, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, THIS IS NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL, HISTORIC DISTRICT HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH HAS THE MORE, MOST EXPANSIVE BECAUSE IT'S OVER THERE ON MAY RIVER ROAD.

AND AS FAR AS THE NOISE AWARENESS, UH, THERE ISN'T NOISE AWARENESS IN PLACE THAT IS NOT PART OF THE UDL THAT'S PART OF THE TOWN CODE.

AND, UH, WE HAD A SIMILAR, SIMILAR CONCERNS AND SIMILAR REQUESTS WITH THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED OFF OF BOSTON PARKWAY UP OFF THE PARK LINE, WHICHEVER WHATEVER'S ON WOODBRIDGE.

WE HAD THOSE SAME CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP AND FROM A SITE PLAN STANDPOINT, WHATEVER MAY HAPPEN OUT THERE, UH, WE CAN'T REALLY BRING NOISE INTO THE CONSIDERATION OF THE CRITERIA, UH, BUT THERE IS THAT CODE SECTION.

AND THERE ARE SOME, AS, AS THE APPLICANT MENTIONED, THERE ARE SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS THAT CAN BE MADE FOR, UM, EVENTS AND IN OTHER THINGS.

SO JUST WANTED TO, WANTED TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT, ADD A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT, SOME OF THE DISCUSSION.

UM, FIRST I HAVE TWO MORE QUESTIONS.

ONE IS, UM, CAN YOU SPEAK TO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT'S HA HOW YOU INTEND TO ADDRESS STORM WATER ON THE PROPERTY WE DISCUSS? I KNOW THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANYTHING RIGHT NOW.

I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO, CAUSE I DON'T SEE ANY RETENTION ON SITE, SO, OKAY.

HERE WE GO.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TELL YOU,

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I KNEW SHE WAS HERE.

I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF SHE WANTED TO COME UP AND TALK.

UM, MY NAME IS EMILY JANE JONES WITH WARD EDWARDS ENGINEERING.

UM, SO FOR GE STORMWATER, WE ARE ACTUALLY INSTALLING PERFORATED PIPE THROUGHOUT THE, UM, UH, PARKING.

AND THEN THROUGHOUT THE MAIN FACILITY AREA, WE DO HAVE STONE TRENCH AS WELL.

AND WE HAVE MET THE COMPLIANCE CALCULATOR ALREADY FOR THE CIVIL COURT ORDINANCE.

AND, UM, WE MEET CRITERIA PRIOR TO SIGNING.

GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE TERM THAT WE, THIS HAS BEEN COINED FOR THIS, THIS IS PRETTY POPULAR AS LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT.

WE MADE IT TO PERMEABLE PARKING SPACES.

THIS IS PERMEABLE PARKING, IT'S GRAVEL.

THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE WAY BACK IS ALL GRAVEL.

IT'S 57 STONE CR OR OKAY, OR CRUSH AND RUN.

UM, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT CERTAIN.

I'M NOT SURE IF WE'VE GOTTEN THERE YET IN OUR DESIGN, BUT I CAN GET BACK TO YOU.

UM, AND THERE WAS NO ISSUE WITH THE IX EXPANDING THAT DRIVE AISLE TO BE 18 FEET WIDE IN TERMS OF HOW THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT YOUR CALCULATIONS, OR WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO YOUR ABILITY TO EVEN PUT THOSE, UH, TRENCHES PERFORATED PIPE IN THE PARKING LOT? UM, THE PURPLE TYPE WILL GO, UH, PARALLEL WITH THE, AND TRY IT.

YOU SEE THE GREEN SPACE OUT THERE.

YEAH, IT'S GOING INTO GREENSPRING.

UM, THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.

UM, AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD WAS THERE WAS A COMMENT FROM THE TOWN STAFF ABOUT THE ALIGNMENT OF BUILDING ONE AND BUILDING TWO BEING IN ALIGNMENT WITH MAY RIVER ROAD.

UM, AND I, THIS IS TO ME STILL NOT IN ALIGNMENT, IT DOESN'T SEE A MAJOR STICKING POINT, BUT I WANTED TO ASK IF IT HAD BEEN EXPLORED AS AN OPTION OF ROTATING THAT SO THAT IT DID.

AND IF, WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS WERE AS TO WHY THAT MAY HAVE BEEN ABANDONED, IF THAT WAS THE TREE CANOPY IS THE EXISTING BUILDINGS WERE TUCKED IN THE SAME AREAS.

AND, UM, WE BELIEVE THAT WE CAN, UM, THE OLD, THE OLD FACTORY, UM, WITHOUT DISTURBING THE TREE.

UM, AND SO THAT'S WHO WE'RE TUCKING IT IN, RIGHT, RIGHT UNDERNEATH WHERE THE EXISTING BUILDING WAS, BUT IT'S NOT THE SAME ALIGNMENT AS THE RE AS THE DEER TONGUE BUILDING.

IT WAS PRIOR TO ITS BEING RELOCATED.

CORRECT.

IT'S BEING STILL, IT'S NOW BEING MORE ALIGNED WITH THE PROPERTY LINE, RATHER BECAUSE BEFORE, I DON'T THINK DEER THAT'S, YOU'RE, YOU'RE KIND OF BUILDING THIS AND YEAH, IT WASN'T IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE PROPERTY EITHER.

IT REALLY WASN'T IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE RIVER ROAD OR THE ADJACENT PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IS ANGLED, BUT THIS IS NOT IN THE SAME ALIGNMENT, EITHER EXISTING CINDER BLOCK BUILDING IS, IS WHERE THE NEED IS, WHERE THE DEER TONGUE BUILDING IS BEING RELOCATED.

AND SO IT'S A SWING.

IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE FUCKING CURSORY HERE, CAN YOU, CAN YOU SEE THIS STUFF? YEAH.

IF YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, THIS STRUCTURE RIGHT HERE, THAT WAS MORE OR LESS SWINGING THAT GUY RIGHT THERE.

SO THAT WAS, THERE IS A GAP.

IF YOU GO LOOK AT THAT TREE, THERE'S A GAP IN THAT CANOPY RIGHT THERE WHERE WE CAN KIND OF SWINGING INTO WITHOUT HAVING A DIFFERENT, UM, AND IT ALIGNS WELL.

AND YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE ALIGNMENT OF BUILDING FOUR THOUGH.

CORRECT? IS THE OLD DEAR TIME BUILDING.

AND CAUSE THE REASON, AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE THE UDL SPECIFICALLY OUTLINES IT HAS TO BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH MAY RIVER WHEN YOU ARE BREAKING THE RULES AND YOU ARE DEVIATING FROM THEM.

I MEAN THE SAME THING APPLIES TO, TO THIS BUILDING.

UM, IT IS, THIS IS THE ALLOTMENT OF THE EXISTING BUILDING.

IT'S IT'S, THIS IS, THIS APPEARS TO BE IN, PERHAPS IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHERE THAT STEP, HOW THAT SETBACK IS SHOWN.

THIS APPEARS TO BE CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINE AGAIN, LIKE THAT SETBACK, MAYBE THROWING OFF THAT PERSPECTIVE, BUT THAT IT'S, IT'S A SLIGHT TO ME, IT APPEARS TO BE A SLIGHT SHIFT IN THAT ROTATION OF THE BUILDING.

AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF YOU LOOKED AT, BECAUSE ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS BUILDING ONE AND BUILDING TWO ARE NOT IN ALIGN WITH MAY RIVER ROAD AND THE CANOPY IS FORWARD TOWARDS MAY RIVER ROAD, BUT BUILDING ONE STILL COULD BE, YOU COULD STILL LOOK AT MAKING IT IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE RIVER ROAD.

I TEND TO THINK THAT YOU'VE PICKED THE RIGHT OPTION.

I'M JUST ASKING, BECAUSE I THINK WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU COMPROMISE YOUR OPEN SPACE, UM, WAS HOPING TO HEAR YOU BASICALLY SAY THAT IS WHAT I WAS REALLY TRYING TO GET OUT OF YOU.

CAUSE YOU WAIT

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I, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR AS TO WHY WE'RE DOING THAT HERE AND WHY WE'RE ALLOWING THAT HERE VERSUS WHY WE MIGHT NOT ALLOW IT TO SIMPLE, RIGHT? YEAH.

YES.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? I HAVE JUST ONE CURIOUS NOTE THAT I, I ALMOST FORGOT TO ASK.

WHY ARE WE SUBDIVIDING IT INTO THREE LOTS? JUST CURIOUS.

SO THE WAY THAT THE FORM-BASED CODE IS SET UP IS THAT YOU'RE ALLOWED MORE THAN PRINCIPALS STRUCTURE IN THE MORNING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.

GOOD ENOUGH.

1.8 ACRES, ONE BUILDING IN A SECOND DISASTER FOR THAT SIZE OF WATSON.

NO, I THINK IT'S, I MEAN, OVERALL IT LOOKS LIKE A GOOD PLAN.

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S MORE TO COME, BUT I'M ASSUMING THE CONFIGURATION OF THAT IS DRIVEN BY THE FACT THAT YOU'VE GOT TO GET THE PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH THE RESTAURANT.

ABSOLUTELY.

UH, CHARLIE TUNES, THERE WILL BE LIVE MUSIC OUTSIDE OF P EVENTS BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE DOES ALLOW FOR A CONSTANT, BUT NOT AMPLIFY MUSIC, UNLESS IT'S AN EVENT.

SO CAN YOU PLEASE EMAIL US ALL THE SCHEDULE? I I'VE MISSED THAT.

I'VE MISSED THAT THERE, BUT UM, OKAY.

UM, IF STAFF, IF YOU DON'T MIND PULLING UP THE PROPOSED, THANK YOU.

UM, AND IF SOMEBODY WOULD, I JUST NEED A MOTION, MR. COMMISSIONER, AS A MATTER OF PRACTICE, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYBODY HERE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS.

WE JUST WANT TO ASK, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS PROJECT? OKAY.

HAVING ASKED, UM, COMMISSIONERS I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I MOTION TO APPROVE MY DAY, THESE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE, UH, CONDITIONS AS PROPOSED BY STAFF'S SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR.

AYE.

MOTION CARRIES ALL YOURS.