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[I. CALL TO ORDER]
BOOM, BOOM.WE CALLED OUR MEETING TO ORDER.
[II. ROLL CALL]
CARRIE, UH, DO THE ROLL CALL PLEASE.COMMISSIONER BRUCE TREMOR PRESENT COMMISSIONER MARY BOX BELL.
IT COMMISSIONER JOSH SIMPSON, COMMISSIONER, JESSE SOLOMON COMMISSIONER, EVAN GOODWIN, COMMISSIONER MICHAEL LOVECCHIO, AND COMMISSIONER KERRY.
SO HE IS COMING SO, BUT WE STILL HAVE A QUORUM, CORRECT? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
SO ACTUALLY THAT'S GOOD THAT WE HAVE ONE EXTRA BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMEONE HAS TO REFUSE THEM.
SO WITH THE ONE THAT'S ON WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE.
THE ONLY PERSON ABSENT IS CAREY.
SO WHEN WE'RE DOING THESE ZOOM MEETINGS, IT'S A BEST, I GUESS, IF YOU WANT TO TALK, JUST KIND OF SAY, HI, THIS IS BRUCE, OR THIS IS MARY, OR THIS IS JESSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SO THAT, UH, WE COULD HAVE IT RECORDED, UM, THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE STATING SOMETHING.
SOME IT'S A LITTLE HARDER SOMETIMES TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO THE WORLD OF ZOOM IS, UH, BACK UNFORTUNATELY, OR FORTUNATELY, BUT WE'RE STILL ABLE TO CONDUCT OUR MEETINGS.
SO NOTICE REGARDING, UH, GERMAN,
[III. NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT]
THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION WILL NOT HEAR NEW ITEMS AFTER NINE 30, UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS, PRESENT ITEMS, WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD BEFORE NINE 30 MAY BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OR A SPECIAL MEETING DATE AS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS AND NOTICE REGARDING PUBLIC COMMENTS.UH, WE STILL NEED TO READ THIS EVERY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO IS RECOGNIZED TO SPEAK SHALL ADDRESS THE CHAIRMAN AND SPEAKING, AVOID DISRESPECT TO THE COMMISSION STAFF OR OTHER MEMBERS OF THE MEETING, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS WHEN SPEAKING AND YOUR COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.
SO I GUESS RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS OR PEOPLE, BUT IF THAT DOES HAPPEN, UH, KATIE, HOW WOULD WE HANDLE THAT? UM, IN THIS MANNER, SINCE WE'RE NOT FACEBOOKING, I'M JUST KIND OF, YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE IS, UM, WELL, WE'LL HANDLE IT THE SAME WAY AS WE DO IN A NORMAL MEETING.
HOWEVER, BECAUSE WE DID HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A BRIEF TURNAROUND BETWEEN, UM, UH, A REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING.
AND THE ONE THAT IS NOW VIRTUAL, IF WE RECEIVE A COMMENT THAT IS PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
AND, UH, KATIE, I BELIEVE YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS IS, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE ROLL CALL AND I JUST WANTED TO WELCOME EVAN.
WE HAVE A NEW MEMBER THAT'S ON BOARD.
UM, AND I DON'T SHOW, I'M NOT SURE IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE RIGHT AGENDA ITEM, BUT I JUST THOUGHT EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW THAT WE HAVE A NEW MEMBER NAME, EVAN GOODMAN, I BELIEVE.
IS THAT CORRECT? OR GOODWIN? YES.
WE'RE SORRY THAT YOUR FIRST MEETING IS VIRTUAL, BUT WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE YOU ON THE COMMISSION.
[V. ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA]
OF THE AGENDA AS WRITTEN.UM, CAN I GET A MOTION FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA? YEAH, JESSE, SORRY.
UH, JESSE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA AND I'M LOOKING FOR A SECOND.
UH, ALL IN FAVOR, ANY DISCUSSIONS, IF NOT ALL IN FAVOR.
UM, PROBABLY BEST IF THOUGH, INSTEAD OF RAISING HER HAND, WE JUST SAY BRUCE, UH, IN FAVOR, UH, AND KIND OF GO DOWN THE LIST JUST BECAUSE IT IS A SOMEWHAT CONFUSING SOMETIMES IN THIS, UH, ZOOM WORLD.
SO, UH, IF WE COULD KIND OF FOLLOW THAT PATTERN.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE WHERE YOU MAN UNANIMOUS ON THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY, VERY GOOD.
[VI. ADOPTION OF MINUTES]
OF MINUTES FROM OUR PREVIOUS MEETING OF FEBRUARY 2ND.I NEED A MOTION FOR ADOPTION OF MINUTES, MARY.
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UH, WITH NO DISCUSSIONS, BRUCE, UH, IN FAVOR.MARY I, AND THAT LOOKS LIKE WHERE YOU NOW MISS.
I'M GOING TO KIND OF REFER BACK AND FORTH IF SOMETHING IS JUST, UH, THIS IS SOMEWHAT SO IT'S JUST HELPFUL SO THAT WE HAVE IT ALL.
UM, ACTUALLY EVAN, YOU WEREN'T THERE FOR THE FEBRUARY MEETING, SO YOU CAN'T VOTE FOR THOSE MINUTES, BUT WE STILL HAVEN'T UNANIMOUS OTHERWISE, THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT, CARRIE.
IF YOU DON'T ATTEND THE MEETINGS, UH, WHICH WE HAD A PROBLEM, UH, PREVIOUSLY THAT, UH, YOU'RE UNABLE TO VOTE TO ADOPT MINUTES.
SO THANKS FOR POINTING THAT OUT HERE.
UH, AS WE SPOKE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS, SO IT LOOKS LIKE A WE'RE INTO OUR AGENDA AND WE HAVE SOMEWHAT OF A PACKED AGENDA TODAY.
SO HOPEFULLY WE COULD KIND OF, UM, WALK THROUGH THESE FAIRLY QUICKLY AND, UH, AND DO THE PROPER THING.
UH, SO, UH, THE FIRST ITEM I BELIEVE
[VIII.1. Certificate of Appropriateness Amendment: A request by Court Atkins Architects, Inc., on behalf of the owner, Cunningham South Carolina, LLC, for review of an Amendment to the Certificate of Appropriateness for the structure located at 54 Bridge Street in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District, and zoned Neighborhood Center-HD. (COFA-12-19-013785)(Staff – Katie Peterson)]
IS, UH, KATIE AND EUROPE.SO THIS FIRST ITEM IS AN OLD BUSINESS.
UM, CARRY, CAN I ASK, DO WE HAVE, YEAH, I, DO WE HAVE OUR APPLICANT OR APPLICANT IN THE WAITING ROOM OR ARE THEY WELCOMED IN OR HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THIS? YES, I'LL HAVE CARRIE LET THEM IN IS AS WE GO.
UM, I HAVE AN IDEA OF WHO'S GOING TO BE HERE FOR EACH ONE, SO I CAN HOPEFULLY HELP GUIDE WHO, WHO COMES INTO THE, THE MAIN ROOM RATHER THAN THE WAITING ROOM.
SO JESSE, JASON, AND, UM, OR POTENTIALLY OUR APPLICANTS ON THIS ONE.
AND I GUESS, UH, KATIE, IF WE COULD ASK THEM JUST TO, UH, ANNOUNCE THEIR, UH, ENTRY INTO OUR MEETING, UH, WITH THEIR NAMES SO THAT WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE HERE, UM, OR CARRIE, IF YOU COULD JUST KIND OF REMIND THEM OF THAT, PLEASE.
UM, SO KATIE, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE UP AND WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME OLD BUSINESS.
AND JAMES ATKINS IS HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
JAMES, IF YOU JUST COULD SAY HELLO SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT YOUR SPEAKER AND EVERYTHING IS WORKING.
SO THIS IS JAMES ATKINS WITH COURT ATKINS ARCHITECTS.
UM, THIS IS A REQUEST, IT IS OLD BUSINESS BECAUSE THIS IS AN ITEM THAT HAS, UM, BEEN APPROVED IN THE PAST.
THERE IS AN AMENDMENT THAT IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, UM, TO ALLOW FOR A CHANGE UNDER THE STAIRS OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS IDENTIFIED AS 54 BRIDGE STREET.
THIS IS THE BUILDING, UM, AS PART OF THE 71 CALHOUN STREET DEVELOPMENT OR THE BRIDGE PROJECT, UM, DEPENDING ON HOW FAR YOU ARE IN, IN LEARNING THE NAME OF THE PROJECT SO FAR, IT IS THE ONE THAT FACES BRIDGE STREET.
UM, SO THERE'S THE ONE THAT FACES BRIDGE STREET.
THEN YOU GOT THE CORNER BUILDING AND THEN THERE'S ONE THAT FACES CALHOUN STREET.
THIS IS THE BRIDGE STREET ONE.
SO THIS IS THE SIDE THAT IS CLOSEST TO THE HAYWARD HOUSE.
UM, AND THEY ARE PROPOSING TO MODIFY THE AREA UNDER THE STAIRWELL FOR THE, UM, TO ALLOW FOR THE ELECTRIC PANEL TO BE THERE.
UM, BECAUSE OF BUILDING CODE, THERE HAS TO BE FIRE RATING.
UM, AN AMENDMENT FOR SECTION THREE 18 OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE CAN BE APPROVED AT A STAFF LEVEL, BUT BY THE STUDIO ADMINISTRATOR, AS LONG AS IT MEETS THE SPECIFIC REGULATIONS OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.
AND IT DOES NOT SUBSTANTIALLY DEVIATE FROM, UM, THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL BY THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
SO IT IS A FAIRLY MINOR REQUEST.
HOWEVER, BECAUSE THE REQUEST INCLUDES THE ADDITION OF A, UM, A GARDEN WALL OR A SERVICE WALL THAT IS A PORTION OF THE BUILDING, BUT IT IS NOT A PORTION OF THE BUILDING, UM, LIKE ENCLOSED PORTION OF THE BUILDING.
IT EXCEEDS THE SIX FOOT HEIGHT THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED FOR A SERVICE YARD OR A, UM, A SERVICE YARD OR A FENCE THAT WOULD BE PROPOSED.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS ELEVATION HERE AND I'VE GOT JUST THE, UM, PLANS PULLED UP ON MY SCREEN HERE TO MAKE IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE, THE ELECTRIC PANEL IS APPROXIMATELY IN THIS LOCATION HERE, AND I WILL JUST STAMP IT WITH THE STAR THREE STARS.
UM, SO THIS IS WHERE THE ELECTRIC PANEL IS.
THE UNDERSIDE OF THE STAIR IN ORDER TO MEET FIRE CODE HAS TO BE RATED AS WELL AS THE BACK OF THE STAIR FOR 10 FEET FROM THE LOCATION OF THIS.
SO WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS BEHIND THIS COLUMN HERE, AND I'LL SHOW YOU ON THE SIDE VIEW IN JUST A MINUTE, BUT THIS COLUMN HERE WOULD HAVE THE SIX FOOT SERVICE FENCE.
AND THEN THE BEHIND THIS COLUMN HERE WOULD BE THE, UM, WALL THAT EXCEEDS THE SIX FEET BECAUSE IT HAS TO PROTECT THE BACK OF THIS STAIRCASE.
AND THEN THE UNDERSIDE OF THE BALCONY THEY ARE PROPOSING TO, UM, ADD A ESSENTIALLY CEILING UNDER THERE THAT IS
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OF HARDY MATERIAL THAT'S FIRE RATED, SO THAT THERE IS THE ABILITY TO HAVE IT PROTECTED FROM THAT ELECTRIC PANEL.SO VISIBILITY, UM, HELPED ME UNDERSTAND THIS.
UM, IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS PERSPECTIVE WISE, IT LOOKS LIKE THE WALL IS BACK THERE, BUT THE PANEL IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE MOUNTED.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S I'M OFF ON THE PERSPECTIVE OR WHAT, BUT, UH, IT, IT, THE PANEL IS GOING TO BE THERE AND IT'S GOING TO BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, OR IS IT GOING TO BE SHELTERED WITH, UH, SO THE PANEL IS, IS HERE.
SO YOU, IF YOU WERE DRIVING DOWN BRIDGE STREET, YOU WOULD BE DRIVING WHERE MY MOUSE IS CURRENTLY OVER HERE.
THIS SITS WITH BUSHES ALONG THIS AREA HERE.
AND SO IF YOU'RE WALKING DOWN THE SIDEWALK AND YOU TURNED 90 DEGREES TO LOOK BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS, YOU WOULD SEE THE SIX FOOT FENCE AND THEN THE 12 FOOT ISH, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT ON THE HAYWARD HIGH SIDE, IS IT? OR IT IS.
SO THIS IS FACING, UH, HAYWARD HOUSE.
UM, WELL, IT'S, IT'S BASING THE BUSHES BECAUSE IT IS TOWARDS THE FRONT OF IT.
SO THE HEYWARD HOUSE ACTUALLY SITS ABOUT HERE.
IT'S NOT PERFECTLY ALIGNED WITH IT.
BUT YES, IT'S THAT DIRECTION FACING TOWNHALL, FACING THE HAYWARD HOUSE, FACING HISTORY, ET CETERA.
UM, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS HERE, YOU ZOOMED IN UNDER THAT PORCH, HERE'S THE UPSTAIRS DOOR.
THE STAIRCASE COMES DOWN THIS SIDE, THIS IS THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE ELECTRIC PANEL.
AND AGAIN, THE WALL WOULD BE HERE.
THE SIX FOOT SERVICE FENCE WOULD BE HERE.
SO OOPS, LOOKING AT IT, AS YOU WERE STANDING ON THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING, TURNED 90 DEGREES, YOU WOULD SEE THIS FENCE HERE, WHICH IS THE SIX FEET AND THEN BEYOND IT WOULD BE THIS PARTY WALL.
SO THE REASON THIS IS BEING PRESENTED TO US AS IT HAS A SOMEWHAT OF A, IT IS A SUBSTANTIAL DIFFERENCE FROM WHAT WE APPROVED AND IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD.
THAT'S WHAT THE HPC HAS TO DETERMINE IF IT'S APPROVABLE.
SO THE HPC IS DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT IT IS A SUBSTANTIAL DEVIATION.
HOWEVER, UM, STAFF FINDS THAT IT IS NOT A SUBSTANTIAL DEVIATION, BUT IT DOES NOT MEET THE ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE IT IS EXCEEDING THAT SIX FEET IN HEIGHT, HOWEVER, WITH THE PANEL BEHIND IT, UM, THIS IS THE, UH, LEAST IT'S UNDER THE STAIR, THE LEAST SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE.
SO WHAT YOU'D BE LOOKING AT, IF THIS WALL WASN'T HERE, IT WOULD BE THE BACK OF THE STAIRS.
CAN YOU SCROLL BACK UP TO THAT TOP? THE PICTURE OF THE ENTIRE THING? SO IF YOU'RE, WHERE IS THE PANEL ON THAT PICTURE? THE PANEL WOULD BE RIGHT HERE.
IS IT WHERE THAT INVISIBLE LINE IS IN A SENSE? SO IT'S NOT HER, IT'S NOT REFLECTED ON THIS PICTURE AT ALL.
NO, IT'S HARD TO TELL THEM ON THE ONE BELOW IT, THE PARTIAL ELEVATION IT'S SHOWN AS A SQUARE IT'S UNDER THE STAIR, RIGHT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE A PICTURE OF WHAT IT WAS, BUT IT W IT LOOKING AT IT, THE GO BACK UP THE DRAWING, IT'S ACTUALLY TRUE.
IF I'M LOOKING AT THE STAIRWAY, THERE, IT'S ACTUALLY TO THE RIGHT OF THAT NEXT WORD, COULD I KNOW TO THE RIGHT, THIS IS WHERE THE WALL WOULD BE BEHIND, BUT YOU'D BE LOOKING AT THE THIN END OF THE WALL HERE, BUT YOU WON'T SEE IT BECAUSE IT'S BEHIND THIS COLUMN AND BEHIND THIS COLUMN IS WHERE THE FENCES, SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE, I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT REALLY IS A SHADOW LINE FROM THE FENCE, BUT YOU CAN TO SAY, YOU CAN SEE WHAT WOULD BE THE SHADOW LINE FROM THAT FENCE, IF IT'S RIGHT THERE, ISN'T IT? YES.
THE WALL, THE WALL IS THE WALL.
IS THERE BEFORE HIDE SCREEN OR WHATEVER WE WANT TO CALL IT.
KATIE, CAN I JUST JUMP IN FOR A QUICK HISTORY? UM, THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL, WHICH, UH, WAS REVIEWED BY EVERYBODY.
THIS IS WHERE THE SERVICE METERS WERE GOING TO GO.
UM, SO THAT'S WHAT, HOW WE PROCEEDED.
AND, UM, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE TOWN AND DOMINION.
UH, WE, THE SERVICE METER ACCESS BECAME A CHALLENGE ALL AROUND.
AND SO THERE WAS A LOT OF MEETINGS WITH TOWN STAFF AND DOMINION ENERGY OF HOW WE CAN PUT THE METERS IN AND THEN PROPERLY SCREEN THEM.
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AND SO, UH, WE GOT THROUGH ALL OF THAT AND GOT THE METERS INSTALLED.AND WHEN THEY WENT FOR THEIR INSPECTION AND THEY SAID, WELL, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE THE CEILING OF THE PORCH AND THE, UH, AREA BETWEEN THE METER AND THE STAIR NEED TO HAVE A ONE HOUR RATING, WHICH WAS, UM, NEWS TO US.
AND SO WE LOOKED AT A VARIETY OF OPTIONS.
WE STARTED BY ACTUALLY DOING IT FULL HEIGHT, UM, PARTY WALL ON BOTH SIDES.
UM, BUT FELT LIKE WOULD YOU KEEP IT PRETTY MINIMAL? SO WE ENDED UP RAISING THE SERVICE HEIGHT SCREEN WALL ON THE LEFT SIDE COLUMN TO SIX FEET, WHICH IS ALLOWED JUST TO ENSURE THAT WE SCREENED THE METERS FROM THE STREETS.
AND WHEN YOU'RE WALKING DOWN BIRD STREET, YOU CAN LOOK THROUGH THERE AND SEE THE METERS.
AND THEN ON THE RIGHT SIDE COLUMN IS WHERE WE USE THE ONE HOUR RATED WALL.
AND WE THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD JUST DO A HARDY PLANK FINISH.
SO IT APPEARED LIKE IT WAS PART OF THE STRUCTURE.
AND THEN WE'RE JUST RE DETAILED THE CEILING TO ADD A ONE HOUR RATING KIND OF WEDGED IN BETWEEN THE DECKING AND THE, AND THE TOP THERE TO DISGUISE IT.
UH, BUT BECAUSE THAT KIND OF ONE HOUR SCREEN WALL, THOSE FROM GROUND TO THE UNDERSIDE OF THE PORCH AND TALKING TO KATIE AND KEVIN, UH, THOUGHT THAT WE SHOULD COME BACK AND SHOW YOU ALL THAT SO THAT WHEN THE FINAL, UH, KIND OF WALK AROUND, UH, HAPPENS, THERE'S NO SURPRISES.
AND WE AVOID THE SNAFU THAT WE HAD A COUPLE YEARS AGO ON ANOTHER PROJECT WITH, UH, WITH THE SHUTTER.
WE'RE, UH, TRIED TO COME UP WITH THE MINIMAL IMPACT WHERE WE COULD GET THE BUILDING SAFETY AND, UH, ENERGY COMPANY HAPPY WITH THE ONE HOUR RATINGS TO PROTECT THE STAIR, BUT NOT TURN THIS INTO A, UM, HUGE DESIGN EXERCISE.
SO WE RAISED THE LOUVER PANEL FACING BRIDGE STREET, AND WE INTRODUCED A HARDY WALL ON THE BACKSIDE, WHICH I THINK WHEN IT GETS ALL PAINTED OUT, YOU'RE NEVER REALLY GOING TO REALIZE IT'S THERE.
AND IT ALSO IS BEHIND A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPE SCREENINGS.
SO YOU REALLY DON'T SEE IT AT ALL.
AND THEN A SUBTLE THING THAT, UM, I'M SURE KATIE WAS GOING TO GET TO AND CIRCLED ON THAT ELEVATION.
UM, IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THAT SIDE, ELEVATION, PLEASE, KATIE IN THE UPPER RIGHT HERE, YOU'LL SEE A WINDOW THAT'S CLOUDED.
SO THAT WINDOW WAS THERE IN THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL.
AND THEN WE CAME BACK FOR AN AMENDMENT TO REMOVE THE WINDOW, UH, BUT THE WINDOW WAS INSTALLED.
UH, SO WE FIGURED WE MIGHT AS WELL PUT THAT WINDOW BACK IN AND MAKE SURE YOU ALL WERE OKAY WITH ADDING THAT WINDOW BACK FROM THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL.
JUST SO AGAIN, CLEAR UP ANY CONFUSION WHEN THE FINAL REVIEW COMES ALONG.
SO SORRY, IT APPEARS VERY COMPLICATED, BUT OUR, OUR GOAL WAS TO PROVIDE LIFE SAFETY REQUIREMENT THAT CAME ABOUT, UM, AFTER THE METER WAS INSTALLED.
UM, WE DID EXPLORE SOME OPTIONS TO MOVE THE METER.
UH, BUT HONESTLY THE OTHER OPTION WAS TO PUT IT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS A PUBLIC THOROUGHFARE AND NOT SCREENED WITH ALL THE LANDSCAPING AND EVERYTHING.
SO WE FELT LIKE WE SHOULD UPDATE THE LOUVER AND ADD THE ONE-HOUR WALL AND GET IT IN FRONT OF YOU ALL TO MAKE SURE WE'RE OKAY.
OR IF YOU HAD ANOTHER IDEA TO ACCOMPLISH THE CODE REQUIREMENTS, WE STILL DON'T, UM, HAVE A VIEW OF WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE COMPLETED.
SO IF YOU, WHY NOT A LITTLE BIT, KATIE, PLEASE.
SO THE LEFT ELEVATION IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE WHEN YOU'RE STANDING ON BRIDGE STREET, LOOKING AT IT.
AND AGAIN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A PARTY WALL INSTEAD OF THE BACK OF THE STAIRS.
AND THEN THE, SO THAT'S NOT IN THE FRONT OF THE STEPS, THAT'S IN THE BACK OF THE STEPS.
AND LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S ACTUALLY HIDING THE STAIR, UH, STILL AWAY.
AND THEN YOU HAVE A FENCE THAT'S TOWARDS THE OTHER SIDE AND THAT'S THE STANDARD, THE ALLOWED FENCE, IF I UNDERSTAND, CORRECT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PARTIAL FLOOR PLAN BELOW MIGHT HELP A LITTLE BIT.
SO, MARY, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS WHAT THAT GRAYED OUT AREA LOOKS LIKE.
IT'S, UM, THEY'RE ELECTRIC METERS.
SO THEY ARE, THEY ARE GRAY BOXES OR TAN BOXES THAT SIT ABOUT SIX INCHES OFF THE WALL, UM, SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU HAVE ON YOUR HOME, BUT MORE BECAUSE IT'S
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A, UM, MASSIVE, IT'S A BIGGER BUILDING.SO IT'S, IT'S NOT A RESIDENTIAL.
IT IS, IT'S GOT RESIDENTIAL, BUT IT'S NOT JUST THE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE METER.
THAT'S LIKE ONE FOOT BY TWO FEET.
IT'S LARGER THAN THAT, BUT IT STILL SITS MOSTLY FLUSH WITH THE WALL WITH JUST THOSE BOXES STICKING OUT OF IT, WHICH IS WHY THERE, THE SCREENING IS REQUIRED, BUT WE'RE NOT REALLY APPROVING THE LOCATION OF THE BOXES DOES THAT WAS APPROVED ALREADY.
ALL WE'RE DOING IS APPROVING THE SCREENING, UM, OF WHAT THE BOXES ARE, AND THAT'S ALL AT THIS POINT.
SO TO GET AT, I JUST WAS LOOKING, I MEAN, LIKE WITH THE, WITH THE, UM, LANDSCAPING AND THE, ALL OF IT COMPLETED, WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
I MEAN, I, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS ONLY A FEW PLANET.
WELL, THEY'RE JUST TO CHIME IN LIKE OVER OVER-COMPLICATE THINGS, I GUESS.
CAN I JUST ASK THE QUESTION? UM, I MEAN, UH, I'M NOT, I CAN'T SEE THE SITE PLAN, BUT YOU, YOU REALLY WON'T SEE THAT THROUGH BRIDGE STREET, LIKE AS YOU APPROACH, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS YOU'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT THE LOUVERED SCREEN FENCE PANEL ON THE ELEVATION THAT FACES BRIDGE STREET, BUT ESSENTIALLY IT'S JUST OPEN UNDERNEATH THE STAIRS FOR THAT ELEVATION THAT FACES THE HAYWARD STREET.
YOU'RE NOT, AS YOU DRIVE DOWN BRIDGE STREET, YOU WOULDN'T SEE ALL OF THOSE SERVERS METERS WITH THE RAISING UP THE LEFT SIDE, A SERVICE TO SIX FEET WHERE I WAS PREVIOUSLY FOR THE TOP OF THAT SERVICE BANK IS ABOUT SIX FEET UNTIL WE'RE BREAKING THAT UP.
AND THE EXISTING DENTS, UM, TREES AND BUSHES THAT ARE THERE.
WE, AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE A MOCK-UP OF THAT.
SO WHEN I'M DRIVING DOWN BRIDGE STREET, I WILL SEE THAT YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE THE LOUVERED SCREEN, THE SURFACE YARD, WHICH IS WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED.
WE'RE JUST RAISING IT FROM FOUR FEET TO SIX FEET.
AND THEN I GOT THE ORIGINAL GROUPS.
SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS IT WAS APPROVED.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED RIGHT HERE.
THE LOCATION OF THE PANEL WAS ORIGINALLY THIS LOCATION.
YES, YOU CAN SEE ON THE FLOOR PLAN.
SO THIS IS JUST A MATTER OF REDESIGNING THE SHIELDING FOR THE PANELS, REDESIGNING THE SHIELDING, AND THEN SATISFYING THE POWER COMPANY ON THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT OF GETTING SOME FIRE PROTECTION FOR THE STAIR CASE.
IF I GUESS THE METER CATCHES FIRE, PEOPLE CAN GET OUT AND THE STAIRWELL CATCH ON FIRE.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM ANY OTHER, SO MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY JUST REAL QUICK, THE MEMO THAT WAS IN YOUR S YOUR PACKETS, UM, AND THEN AGAIN, IF ANYONE IS FOLLOWING ALONG AT HOME, THE FULL PACKET IS AVAILABLE ON THE TOWN WEBSITE, UNDER THE AGENDA SENDER.
UM, YOU CAN CLICK EITHER THE PDF OR THE HTML VERSION OF IT AND SEE THE ENTIRE STAFF REPORT WITH ALL OF THE ATTACHMENTS.
UM, THAT WAS JUST MY, MY DISCLAIMER, REAL QUICK, BECAUSE THE WHOLE PACKET ISN'T PRESENTED ON THE SCREEN BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, BUT IN THAT PACKET THAT YOU ALL HAVE, UM, THESE ARE THE ITEMS THAT THEY ARE REQUESTING THE CEILING UNDER THE POOR 10 EAST ELEVATION.
THAT IS THE, UM, IT'S UNDER HERE, BUT IT IS SIX INCHES.
IT JUST MAKES THIS TRIM BOARD WIDER THAN IT CURRENTLY IS.
IT SHOULD NOT BE SOMETHING THAT IS VISIBLE OR SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGES WHAT THIS ELEVATION LOOKS LIKE.
THIS IS WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE RIGHT HERE, UM, TO DO THAT THE THREE PIECE HARDY TRIM THAT COVERS THE PORCH THAT'S ADDED TO THE SAME.
SO THAT'S PART OF THAT CEILING UNDERNEATH.
AND THEN THIS PART TO BLOCK IT, UM, SO THAT YOU DON'T SEE A GAP BETWEEN THE TWO, THE WINDOW WAS ON THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL, BUT IT WAS REMOVED IN AMENDMENT TWO AND THAT'S ON THE SECOND FLOOR ELEVATION.
THE SIX FOOT FENCE IS THE, UM, LOUVERED FENCE THAT IS ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION.
SO THAT IS THIS PORTION RIGHT HERE.
AND NOT ONE TOWN STAFF HAS NO ISSUE WITH THAT CHANGING TO SIX FEET.
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN APPROVED AT STAFF LEVEL.
HADN'T BEEN THOSE FOUR ITEMS THERE BECAUSE IT DOES NOT DEVIATE.
AND IT MEETS THE CODE ITEMS. THESE FOUR ITEMS WOULD HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY STAFF, UM, BECAUSE IT COULD BE THE FACT THAT THERE REALLY IS NO COMPLETE DEVIATION.
THE ONLY ONE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS FOR NUMBER FIVE, RIGHT? AND STAFF
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DOESN'T FIND THAT A SUBSTANTIALLY DEVIATES THE CHANGE IS THAT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT MEET THE ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY, IT CANNOT BE APPROVED AT A STAFF LEVEL.SO WHAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED IS HERE'S THE ORIGINAL, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL.
I KEEP SCROLLING DIFFERENT PAGES HERE.
UM, SO STAFF HAS FOUND THAT IT DOES NOT SUBSTANTIALLY DEVIATE FROM THIS DESIGN, THE BUILDING AS AN OVERALL.
UM, OBVIOUSLY IF YOU SAY, WELL, JUST THIS ONE, TINY SQUARE HERE, DEVIATE, PERHAPS, BUT IT IS NOT ON THE FRONT ELEVATION.
IT IS A MATERIAL THAT IS STILL PERMITTED, THE HEY, AND THAT WAS REMOVED IN THE FIRST AMENDMENT.
THE CURRENTLY APPROVED PLANS, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED.
AND THEN WE WENT IN, RIGHT? SO THAT WAS WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED BY THE HPC, WHICH IS WHAT THE DETERMINATION OF THE FITZ DID.
STANLEY DEVIATES IS THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL BY THE HPC STAFF HAS APPROVED TWO AMENDMENTS SINCE THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL, WHICH DID NOT SUBSTANTIALLY DEVIATE.
IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF CLOUDING HERE BECAUSE IT'S THE WIDTH OF A FEW WINDOWS NEEDED TO BE BROUGHT INTO, UM, COMPLIANCE FOR, UM, EGRESS AND FIRE RATING.
BUT THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME WINDOWS HERE.
SO WHILE THERE'S A LOT OF CLOUD, IT ISN'T THAT THE DESIGN HAS CHANGED MUCH FROM THE ORIGINAL.
IT'S JUST THE WIDTH CHANGE BY A FEW INCHES AT THE TIME OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT, THAT PANEL RIGHT THERE WAS REMOVED.
BUT THIS CONTINUED TO BE THERE.
NOW WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS I'VE LOST IT NOW, HERE IT IS THAT W THAT ONE PICTURE YOU JUST SHOWED THEM, HAD THE WINDOW INNOVATED.
SO CHANGING IT, THIS SPEND STILL REMAINS.
THAT IS WHAT SO AMENDMENT TO THIS WAS RIGHT HERE.
SO YOU STILL GOT THOSE THREE PANELS, BUT HERE WILL BE THE WALL AND HERE WILL BE THE SIX FOOT FENCE WALL IT'S.
SO THIS BEING CHASED TO THIS, WHICH THE LINE WEIGHT IS HEAVIER ON THIS ONE.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT IT MORE CLOSELY, YOU CAN SEE IT IS NOT CHANGING ANYTHING EXCEPT FOR THIS SPACE HERE.
AND DOUBTING THAT WINDOW BACK.
IF WE COULD JUST KEEP IT A LOUVERED SIX FOOT WALL, OR A SIX FOOT FENCE, BUT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS REQUIRING A ONE HOUR SEPARATION TO PROTECT THE STAIRS.
SO WE TRY TO DISGUISE THAT FIRE PROTECTION WITH THE HARDY PLANK WALL AND BETWEEN COLUMNS.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND I THINK HONESTLY IT HIDES THE BACKSIDE OF THE STAIRS AND EVERYTHING TOO.
IT WON'T BE A, AND THAT'S, THAT'S ARCHITECTUALLY THAT DOES HIDE THE BACK OF THE STAIRS, WHICH IN A SENSE ADDS TO A ARCHITECTURAL POSITIVE ELEMENT RATHER THAN A NEGATIVE ELEMENT.
THAT'S MY OPINION, JOSH HERE, JAMES, THE ONLY, THERE'S ONLY TWO, MAYBE ONE AESTHETIC AND ONE JUST LONG-TERM DURABILITY QUESTIONS.
I HAVE THE FIRST ONE AESTHETICALLY, I WOULD CONSIDER PUTTING THAT ENTIRE WALL ON THE FRONT AS WELL BECAUSE HAVING THAT LOWER SIX FOOT LOUVERED WALL, WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE OVER TOP OF THAT SIX FOOT WALL AND SEE THAT FULL HEIGHT WALL IN THE BACK.
AND I THINK THAT IT JUST HAVING THOSE AS BOTH FULL HEIGHT WALLS MIGHT FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE NATURAL WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, I WOULD AGREE THAT WAS THE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED OPTION, UM, AND DISCUSSIONS.
AND THEN JUST KIND OF THROUGH WORKING THROUGH CONVERSATIONS, IT BECAME THIS HYBRID, BUT WE WOULD BE COMPLETELY OPEN TO ACTUALLY DOING BOTH SIDES, FULL HEIGHT AND KIND OF PAINTING THEM THE, THE TRIM COLOR OF THE COLUMNS AND JUST MAKE IT ALL GO AWAY.
I THINK THAT THAT WOULD PROVIDE SYMMETRY.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE ASKING FOR AN EXCEPTION.
MY SUGGESTION IS TO TRY TO FIND SYMMETRY IN THIS, THE PANELS HAVE TO BE COVERED.
THE AREA HAS TO BE PROTECTED TO MEET THE FIRE CODE.
SO THAT THAT'S ONE AESTHETIC SUGGESTION, THE OTHER FROM A DURABILITY AND THE CUT-THROUGH DETAIL, IT SHOWS THE LOCATION OF THE WATERPROOFING MEMBRANE.
IT IS IT'S ON TOP OF A PACK DOWN CEILING.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THAT WATERPROOFING MEMBRANE BE PUT ON TOP OF THE LANDING
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AND FURRING STRIPS BE PLACED TO SUPPORT THE DECKING SO THAT YOU CAN SEAL THE UNDERSIDE OF THAT LANDING IN ITS ENTIRETY AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT RIGHT NOW, THE OIC TENDRILS ARE FALLING LIKE CRAZY, YOU KNOW, THOSE GETTING TRAPPED IN THAT SYSTEM.AND OVER TIME THAT JUST BEING A MAINTENANCE ITEM, THAT'S INACCESSIBLE AND CREATING WATER ISSUES THAT LEAD TO DETERIORATION AND UNSIGHTLINESS AND MAINTENANCE.
UM, HOWEVER, UH, BEING THAT IT'S ALREADY BUILT IN THAT IT'S LINED UP WITH THE ADJACENT PRO PORCH.
UM, WE HAD SOME AESTHETIC CONCERNS AND NOT TO GET OVERLY COMPLICATED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BRINGING THAT IN AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THE PORTRAITS HAVE DIFFERENT DETAILS AND LOOKING DIFFERENT.
UM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT GETTING, UH, THE, THE DECK BOARDS ON TOP, YOU KNOW, TO BE A TIGHT JOINT OR A TONGUE AND GROOVE, AND JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, ENSURE THAT WE DO THE BEST THAT WE CAN, UM, WITH WHAT WE HAVE.
IT JUST BECAME, UH, A DOWNSTREAM, UM, LIST OF OTHER CHALLENGES THAT WE WERE CONFRONTED WITH.
SO WE FELT LIKE THIS, WELL, MAYBE NOT THE PERFECT SOLUTION GOT US TO WHERE WE NEEDED FROM A FIRE PROTECTION STANDPOINT AND ALSO MAINTAINING SOME OF THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL.
SO, BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK ON THAT.
UH, WHAT I UNDERSTAND JOSH BRINGS UP A VERY VALID POINT IS THE WATER, THE OAK EVERYTHING'S GOING TO COLLECT ON THIS WOOD.
UM, AND THEN THAT WOULD JUST INTERACT OVER, EVEN THOUGH IT WOULD BE PRESSURE TREATED.
IT'S STILL GOING TO ROTTEN FIVE YEARS.
WHEREAS IF YOU PUT THE MEMBRANE ON THE TOP, YOU'RE PROTECTING THAT.
AND THEN, YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE.
ALL THE DECKS ARE PRESSURE TREATED.
WOOD WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED BY ALL THE DECKS.
WELL, I KNOW THAT, BUT I'M SAYING THAT THE, THE COLLECTION POINT OF THIS ROOF AREA IS GOING TO BE A MAJOR POSSIBLE ISSUE IF IT WASN'T, IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE MEMBRANE.
SO TOP JOSH AGAIN, YOU'RE JAMES IS THE DECKING INSTALLED AS THE DECKING BEEN INSTALLED ON TOP OF THE FRAME, THE DECKING INSTALLED THE FLASHING AND THE DOOR JAMS HAD BEEN INSTALLED.
IT ALL LINES UP WITH THE ADJACENT PORCH ON THE FRONT.
UM, WE LOOKED AT THAT KIND OF EITHER REBUILDING THE WHOLE THING, UM, THAT STAIRS ARE THERE.
THE ROOF IS THERE, THE ROOF IS INSTALLED.
UM, THERE WERE JUST A LOT OF FUN TALKING WITH, UM, ANDY HERE AT OUR OFFICE OR CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATOR AND KIND OF WORKING THROUGH THOSE DETAILS.
AND WE'LL JUST, WE'LL BE ON SITE WHEN THEY PULL THIS ALL TOGETHER.
UM, SO THE WATER MAINTENANCE IS CERTAINLY, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO LOOK AT AS WELL AS ACHIEVING THE, THE FIRE RATING, UM, FOR THE EGRESS PATH.
SO, UM, I THINK IF WE GET THE, YOU KNOW, JUST TRY TO WORK THROUGH ALL OF THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE, UH, MAYBE THAT JOINT UNDERNEATH THE BEAM GETS A LITTLE WIDER SO WE CAN GET UP IN THERE AND ENSURE THE LITTLE ACORNS AND THINGS DON'T STOP IT UP.
AND WITH THE ROOF AND EVERYTHING, WE WOULD HOPE THAT THE WATER THAT WOULD BE GETTING DONE IN THERE WOULD BE MINIMAL.
I WOULD JUST QUESTION TO JAMES AS A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE, IF THAT GAP THOUGH, ISN'T GOING TO CREATE A CONFLICT FOR THE FIRE RATING, BECAUSE THE METERS ARE UP AGAINST THE WALL.
YOU GOT TO SIT BACK THERE, THEY SIGNED OFF ON THIS.
WE MET WITH INSPECTOR ONSITE AND WALKED THROUGH ALL THE DETAILS.
WE ALSO LOOKED AT LIKE SOME THIRD-PARTY LIKE CABINETS AND THINGS THAT COULD GET PAINTED THAT WOULD BE RATED AND PUT ON THERE.
BUT AGAIN, I THINK AN ARCHITECTURAL SOLUTION THAT GETS INTEGRATED, IT'S PROBABLY BETTER THAN MAKING THE METERS EVEN MORE LARGE AND DISTINGUISHED.
SO, YOU KNOW, I I'VE EXPRESSED TWO THINGS, ONE AESTHETIC.
I THINK THAT THAT FRONT ELEVATION WOULD BENEFIT BY INSTEAD OF HAVING THAT SIX FOOT HIGH FENCE, THAT'D BE EXTENDED UP TO MATCH THE FENCE THAT'S BEING PLACED TO BLOCK THE SET OF STAIRS.
AND I WOULD ALSO, UM, JUST ASK THAT, YOU KNOW, AS IT'S BEING CONSTRUCTED, IT'D BE DONE.
SO IN A MANNER THAT DOES ALLOW FOR ANYTHING, DEBRIS, WHAT NOT BE ABLE TO BE CLEANED OUT OF THAT GAP.
AND, YOU KNOW, ASIDE FROM THAT, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD JOSH.
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ARE WE AT A POINT WHERE A POSSIBLE MOTION CAN BE MADE? UM, AND JOSH, SINCE YOU POINTED THOSE OUT, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT A MOTION? UH, CAN I HEAR A MOTION FROM SOMEONE IN THE COMMITTEE? I MOVE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE PROPOSAL WILL BE APPROVED ON THE CONTINGENCY THAT THE FRONT WALL THAT'S SIX FOOT LATTICE WALL BE CHANGED TO MATCH THE NEW REAR WALL BEING EXTENDED TO THE UNDERSIDE OF THE LANDING SO THAT THEY ARE EQUALLY BILL AND CONSIDERATION BE GIVEN TO MAINTENANCE IN ACCESSING THE LANDING SYSTEM LANDING WATERPROOFING.CARRIE, DO YOU HAVE THAT? OKAY, THANK YOU.
UH, CAN I GET A SECOND ON THAT? THIS IS JESSIE.
DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS? IF NOT, UH, BRUCE, JEMBER IN FAVOR.
I, SORRY, MARY, I GUESS, IS THAT A, I'M NOT TRACKING CARRIE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE REMAINING SIX.
UNANIMOUS AND MOTION PASSED AS A PRESENTER.
[IX.1. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by Chad McRorie for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness to allow the addition of approximately 385 SF to the existing 1,800 SF 2-story single-family residence located at 134 Bridge Street, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood Conservation-HD. (COFA-01-22-016242) (Staff- Katie Peterson)]
ITEM NUMBER TWO.NO, THIS IS ACTUALLY ITEM NUMBER ONE OF NEW BUSINESS.
UM, AND IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, KATIE YEAR UP, UH, FOR THIS ONE.
SO THIS IS NOW FOR OUR AGENDA NEW BUSINESS MEETING NOW.
SHOULD I GO AND RECUSE MYSELF FROM NOW BEFORE YOU START? YES, EVAN GOODWIN IS RECUSING HIMSELF.
SO WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO IS A BLACK, HIS VIDEO AND BLOCK.
AND, UH, SO JUST KIND OF LISTEN IN AND JUST TURN YOUR VIDEO OFF AND MUTE YOURSELF IF YOU WILL, PLEASE.
AND CHAD, IF YOU COULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF, JUST SO WE KNOW YOU ARE IN THE MEETING AND YOUR MICROPHONE WORKS AND EVERYTHING.
THIS IS CHAD MCCRORY AND, UM, RETURNAL THIS GUY WE SHOULD BE GOOD.
CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN.
I CHOSE NOW THIS IS A HOUSE THAT WE, UH, APPROVED ABOUT TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS AGO.
SO THERE'S A, UM, STRUCTURE THAT IS ALREADY AT THIS LOCATION.
UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS ALMOST FOUR YEARS AGO NOW THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO.
UM, SO THIS IS AN, I HAVE TO, UM, MAKE YOU ALL A LITTLE BIT SMALLER ON MY SCREEN IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO SEE THESE SLIDES.
SO IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU SPEAK UP SO THAT I CAN HEAR YOU, BECAUSE I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY SEE ALL OF YOU AT THE SAME TIME.
SO THIS IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ALLOW THE ADDITION OF APPROXIMATELY 385 SQUARE FEET TO THE EXISTING 1800 SQUARE FOOT STRUCTURE.
UM, IT'S A, TWO-STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE LOCATED AT 1 34 BRIDGE STREET THAT IS HERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION HD ZONING DISTRICT IS THAT GOLD.
SO IF YOU WERE TO TAKE BRIDGE STREET FROM THE OFFICE, WHICH IS OFF THE SCREEN HERE TO THE RIGHT AND DRIVE ALL THE WAY TO WHERE IT TURNS TO GRAVEL AND THEN KEEP GOING UNTIL IT ENDS IN A DRIVEWAY, THERE'S ACTUALLY ONE PARCEL HERE BEFORE YOU GET BACK.
THERE'S AN EASEMENT THAT RUNS TO THIS TRIANGLE PIECE HERE,
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WHICH IS WHERE 1 34 IS.UM, THIS IS A PICTURE OF A PORTION OF THAT STRUCTURE.
SO YOU KIND OF HAVE AN IDEA THERE.
UM, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE HERE, THERE'S THE OCRM CRITICAL LINE.
THIS IS WHERE THAT, UM, REDUCED OCRM BUFFER SITS IS THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE, THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
AND THEN THE GRADE AREA HERE IS THE ADDITION THAT IS PROPOSED AT THE MEETING TONIGHT.
THIS IS THE FLOOR PLAN, AND THEN ALSO THE ROOF PLAN.
SO YOU'VE GOT, IT'S A ONE STORY ADDITION.
UM, IT IS JUST A SINGLE ROOM HERE WITH A BATHROOM AND A CLOSET.
IT TIES WITH THIS SMALL HYPHEN HERE.
YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE ROOF PLAN AS WELL FROM THE FRONT ELEVATION.
THIS IS THE ELEVATION THAT ACTUALLY FACES THE COAT.
UM, SO THE, THIS PARCEL, YOU ACTUALLY ACCESS IT FROM THE REAR.
THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS THE COVE, BUT YOU CAN'T SEE ANY OF IT FROM BRIDGE STREET BECAUSE IT IS ACCESSED BEHIND THAT.
SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND, AS YOU REVIEW THIS, THAT THE ELEVATIONS ARE LABELED CORRECTLY, HOWEVER, HOW YOU WOULD APPROACH THIS HOME IS A LITTLE BIT TURNED AROUND BECAUSE YOUR CAR WOULD ACTUALLY PULL UP HERE BEHIND THE REAR ELEVATION.
SO THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IF YOU PULLED IN THE DRIVEWAY, BUT THIS IS WHAT FUNDS THE COVE, AND THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE STRUCTURE.
AND INSTEAD OF INTERESTING LACK, BECAUSE REALLY THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN SEE THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS IF YOU'RE ON LISA SULCUS PROPERTY ACROSS THE CODE, OR A KAYAK AT A KING TIDE, KIND OF CURIOUS.
AND THEN THIS IS THE SIDE ELEVATION HERE.
UM, SO THERE IS ONLY, THERE ARE ONLY BECAUSE IT'S PLURAL THREE ELEVATIONS TO THIS BECAUSE IT IS CONNECTING TO THE HOUSE ON THE LAST ELEVATION BECAUSE YOU WON'T EVER SEE THAT SIDE UNLESS YOU'RE STANDING IN THAT LIVING ROOM AND THEN YOU WON'T SEE IT BECAUSE THERE WON'T BE A WALL THERE.
SO THIS IS THE ADDITION HERE, AND I'LL TAKE YOU BACK ONE MORE TIME.
JUST THIS LITTLE GUY HERE, THE CHIMNEY EXISTS.
IT'S JUST TYING INTO THAT EXISTING STRUCTURE HERE.
CHAN, DID WE NOT APPROVE A GARAGE OR SOMETHING ON THIS AT ONE TIME IT WAS A, UH, INDEPENDENT CARRIAGE HOUSE APPROVED ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.
I'M WAITING FOR, UH, THE COUNTY OF BLUFFTON TO, UM, FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO WITH A SEWER PROJECT.
YES, CANNOT BUILD IT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT'S SITTING ON THE DRAIN FIELD IF I WANT TO BUILD IT.
SO THE, UM, AS ONE OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, THERE IS A SEWER THAT IS GOING IN ON THAT SITE, UM, TO ATTACH TO THIS STRUCTURE AND THEY WILL TIE IN WHEN THAT IS ABLE TO HAPPEN.
UM, WE HAD TO PUT IT OUT TO BID AND WE ARE HOPING THAT IT HAPPENS HERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
THEY HAD TO WORK ON SOME REDESIGNS BECAUSE OF SOME ELEMENTS THAT WERE ALONG THE ROAD THERE.
SO, UM, THEY ARE STILL WORKING ON GETTING SEWER TO THIS SITE.
AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, HE DOES HAVE A PERMIT THAT'S BEEN PULLED AND IS SITTING WAITING FOR THAT TO GO IN.
SO HE CAN ACTUALLY, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WHERE IS THE LOCATION OF THAT COMPARED TO THIS? I MEAN, HOW IS IT AFFECTING THE CONSTRUCTION? I GUESS I WAS JUST KIND OF CURIOUS.
SO IT IS, UM, AND CHAD CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG HERE.
SO YOU COULD GO BACK, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
I, I THOUGHT FOR SOME REASON ANOTHER WAS TOWARDS THE FRONT, BUT IT IS TOWARDS THE BACK.
AND I'VE INCLUDED THE WALL SECTIONS HERE FOR YOU, JUST SO THAT YOU'VE GOT THEM AS WELL AS SOME DETAILS THAT HE HAS PROVIDED.
I CAN GO BACK TO THOSE IF YOU'D LIKE MORE DETAIL, UM, THIS IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
SO THE HPC, AS YOU TYPICALLY DO CONSIDER THE EIGHT REVIEW CRITERIA, WHICH IS SET FORTH IN SECTION THREE 18 OF OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE WHEN ASSESSING THIS AND CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
IF YOU FIND IT DOES NOT MEET THOSE CRITERIA, STAFF HAS REVIEWED THIS APPLICATION AGAINST THOSE CRITERIA FOR US AND HAS FOUND THAT IT COULD MEET THOSE CRITERIA WITH THE SINGLE, UM, CONDITION HERE THAT THE CLOSE SHUTTERS ON THE REAR ELEVATION BE REMOVED OR BE OPERABLE.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED, AND HE IS HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT, OBVIOUSLY, AS WE'VE ALREADY SEEN HERE, UM, HAS NOTED THAT THE SHUTTERS THAT ARE HERE ARE VERY SIMILAR TO THOSE WHICH ARE ON THE STRUCTURE THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS.
IT IS THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE AND THE WINDOWS WILL BE FRAMED OUT TO MEET THIS.
SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THAT THE HPC ALLOW A DEVIATION FROM THAT STANDARD, UM, BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE OPERABLE SHUTTERS.
IT WOULD JUST BE A PANEL BEHIND THE OPERABLE SHUTTER, ESSENTIALLY.
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UM, AND WITH THIS BEING THE REAR OF THE HOUSE ON A PARCEL ACCESS TO BUY AN EASEMENT THAT IS BACK ALONG THE HERE.SO IT'D BE ON THE ELEVATION THAT IS RIGHT HERE.
UM, THEY WANTED TO HAVE SOME ARCHITECTURAL FINISHED RATION THERE, BUT IT'S UNABLE TO HAPPEN WITH THE WAY THE FLOOR PLAN LAYS OUT.
SO IT WOULD BE A FRAMED OUT TRUE, UM, WINDOW WITH WINDOW, ESSENTIALLY.
AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE PRECEDENT OF THAT ALREADY SET IN OTHER LOCATIONS, OTHER THAN THIS PROPERTY, THERE IS SOME MINIMAL PRECEDENT SET FOR ALLOWING IT IN THE CASE THAT THERE ARE OTHER SHUTTERS ON THE STRUCTURE THAT, AND THAT IT IS REFERRED OUT.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE LOOKING FOR, UM, EMOTION FOR THE DISCUSSION GROUPS, UNLESS THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION, BUT YEAH, JUST UNLESS THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION ON THE REST OF THE PROJECT, BECAUSE THE REST OF THE PROJECT IS, UH, MEETING THE CRITERIA.
THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT'S NOT MEETING IT.
AND SO THIS HAS TO BE, UM, APPROVED OR DISCUSSED OR EMOTION SET, CORRECT.
KATIE, THAT IS ALL THAT STAFF HAS FOUND.
IF YOU ALL SEE ANYTHING ELSE, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
UH, NOT, I'M LOOKING TO SEE IF SOMEONE WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION.
UH, MARY I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST AS SUBMITTED WITH THE, UM, LET ME JUST CLARIFY WITH THE, UM, SPECIFICALLY THE SHUTTERS, SINCE THEY ARE NOT, AND WILL NOT EVER BE VISIBLE, UM, TO BRIDGE STREET OR TO THE ELEVATION OF A REGULAR PERSON ON BRIDGE STREET.
AND, UM, THAT THERE HAS BEEN A PRECEDENT ALREADY SET AND ESTABLISHED ON THIS PROPERTY.
IS THAT OKAY? CARRIE? DO YOU HAVE THAT VERY GOOD.
SO THEREFORE WE HAVE A MOTION I'M LOOKING FOR A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSIONS? UH, WITHOUT DISCUSSION AND LOOKING FOR A VOTE WE'RE STRIMMER APPROVED.
SEE I, ANYONE ELSE? SORRY, MARY, I JOSH, SORRY.
IS, IS THAT ALL PERRY? DO WE HAVE ALL MEMBERS? IT LOOKS LIKE, SO WE HAVE A UNANIMOUS ON THAT AND PASS, UH, MARY, GO AHEAD AND ASK THE QUESTION THAT THIS IS, UM, UM, SO WE HAVE THAT MOTION PASSED AND NOW WE'RE INTO JUST A MARRIED DISCUSSION.
WELL, I'VE JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION FOR KATIE OR CARRIE.
IF WE MAKE A MOTION OR SECOND EMOTION, DO WE STILL VOTE ON THE MOTION? YES.
WOULD IT BE EASIER FOR EVERYBODY WHEN WE GO TO VOTE? IF I JUST CALL ON YOU, THAT WOULD BE A LOT EASIER IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE, WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT IN THE PAST AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL, CARRIE.
SO THANK YOU FOR OFFERING THAT.
YOU CARRIE, AND THEN JUST AGAIN FOR THE RECORD, UM, EVAN DID RECUSE HIMSELF FROM THIS, SO HE DID NOT VOTE ON THIS BECAUSE HE IS RECUSED NOW.
UNFORTUNATELY IT DOESN'T DID EVAN GO AWAY? CAUSE I DON'T SEE HIM HERE.
SO YOU HAVE TO WELCOME BACK IN.
AND CHAD, I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU TOMORROW.
[IX.2. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by Tim Probst with PDG Architects, on behalf of the owner, Calhoun Cottage, LLC, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness to allow the addition of approximately 185 SF to the existing 1,340 SF 1-story Contributing Resource located at 37 Calhoun Street, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood Center-HD. (COFA-01-22-016290) (Staff - Katie Peterson)]
BACK IN.AND, UM, CARRIE, IF YOU WANT TO LET TIM IN FROM PVG ARCHITECTS, UH, IS CHAD LEAVING OR DO I NEED TO PROP NEVERMIND.
IT'S BEEN A MINUTE SINCE WE'VE DONE THE ZOOM THING.
SO, UM, WE'RE ALL A LITTLE RUSTY HERE.
SO THANKS FOR BEARING WITH ME AS I SWITCH BETWEEN WHICH SCREEN I'M SHARING ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE HELPFUL HINTS IS VERY MUCH APPRECIATIVE.
SO CARRIE, KATIE, AND ANYONE ELSE ON THIS, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A SUGGESTION AND TIM, IF YOU COULD JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF WHEN YOU GET IN HERE SO THAT I KNOW THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO HEAR US AND WE CAN HEAR YOU, IT LOOKS LIKE HE'S STILL TRYING TO CONNECT TO AUDIO.
IT LOOKS LIKE TIM, ARE YOU THERE?
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CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN.WELCOME TO OUR, SEE KATIE, YOU HAVEN'T PERFECT.
AND THIS IS TIM WITH PDG ARCHITECTS.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT OR HE IS THE APPLICANT FOR THIS PROJECT.
SO THIS IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ALLOW THE ADDITION OF APPROXIMATELY 185 SQUARE FEET TO THE EXISTING ONE-STORY CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE OF APPROXIMATELY 1,340 SQUARE FEET LOCATED AT 38 LAWRENCE STREET IN THE OLD TOWN, BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT.
IT IS NAME IT ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER, H D UM, IT SEEMS THAT I DID NOT PUT AN EXISTING CONDITIONS PICTURE IN HERE.
UM, SO I WILL SHARE ONE OF THOSE WITH YOU, UM, IN JUST A FEW MOMENTS, BUT FIRST I WILL SHOW YOU THE, UM, BEAUTIFUL DRAWINGS THAT TIM HAS PROVIDED FOR US.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.
SO IF YOU ARE ON CALHOUN STREET, THIS IS THE CUTE LITTLE PINK AND GREEN AND WHITE BUILDING, UM, THAT YOU SEE ONE SECOND HERE.
CAUSE I, AND IT'S A MISLEADING ADDRESS, ISN'T IT? BECAUSE IT REALLY ISN'T ON LAWRENCE OR IS IT ON LAWRENCE? I WAS CONFUSED, BUT IT IS A LAWRENCE ADDRESS, CORRECT? HIM.
AND I'VE ACTUALLY, HERE WE GO.
SO THIS IS THE STRUCTURE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
I APOLOGIZE THAT IT DIDN'T MAKE IT INTO MY SO, BUT IT'S KNOWN AS 38 LAWRENCE STREET FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY ON CALHOUN STREET.
UM, SO THIS WHOLE PARCEL, IF YOU, UM, LOOK AT THE WAY THE PARCEL LAYS OUT HERE, IT FRONTS BOTH LATIN AND CALHOUN STREET.
THIRD WARREN STREET WRITTEN IN HERE, BUT NOT LAWRENCE.
UM, ANYWAY, I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT.
SO I WAS LOOKING AT IT EARLIER TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT.
ALL THIS IS SO LAWTON STREET RUNS HERE.
THE BUILDING WE ARE DISCUSSING IS THE STREET.
AND IT IS A MESSY ONE BECAUSE OF HOW THE PARCEL LAYS OUT, BUT ALSO MY INABILITY TO TELL L NAMES APART.
SO, UM, IF YOUR NAME IS LARRY LAWRENCE OR, UM, I MAY CALL YOU BY THE WRONG NAME.
SO TIM, WE GOT THAT CLEARED UP AS MUD SO WE CAN CONTINUE ON THINGS.
SO THIS IS THE STRUCTURE WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE ADDITION THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
UM, AND I WILL CIRCLE IT FOR YOU JUST SO YOU CAN SEE IT REAL QUICK RIGHT THERE.
UM, SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING AND THEN NOW MY SCREEN WON'T MOVE FORWARD.
SO THIS IS THE FLOOR AND ROOF PLAN.
UM, SO THIS IS THE FRONT PORCH THAT YOU'RE SEEING ALONG WITH THE EXISTING STRUCTURE HERE, AND THEN THE PROPOSED NEW BATHROOM TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE HOUSE HERE, IT'S CURRENTLY OPERATING AS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
IT WAS A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE AT ONE TIME AND IT'S GOING BACK TO BE SO, UM, THERE IS NOT A CHANGE OF YOUTH DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT HAS TO GO THROUGH BECAUSE IT'S BECOMING A LESS, UM, DENSE USE.
AND SO IT IS GOING FROM COMMERCIAL BACK TO RESIDENTIAL.
THIS IS THE AREA WHICH THEY PROPOSING ON THE ROOF PLAN.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY'RE WIDENING THIS WING HERE.
UM, SO RATHER THAN HAVING A NOTHER ROOF LINE TO BE MORE SYMPATHETIC TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE THIS ROOF AND RAISE IT BY JUST A FEW INCHES TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE THAT ROOF OVER THE STRUCTURE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING LEFT VERSUS THE NEW LEFT.
SO IT HAS GOTTEN WIDER ON THIS SIDE FROM THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE.
UM, THESE DOUBLE WINDOWS ARE GOING AWAY AND YOU'RE ADDING THE SINGLE WINDOWS HERE.
SO THERE'S ONE PLUS THE, UM, IT'S ACTUALLY A DOOR HERE AND THEN ON THE RIGHT ELEVATION, UM, YOU ARE JUST SEEING THE REAR HERE, WHICH THERE'S A, LIKE, I WANT TO CALL IT A TRELLIS OVER THE PORCH, LIKE AT CHELSEA STRUCTURE THAT THEY'RE JUST TAKING AWAY.
AND THEN ON THE FRONT ELEVATION, YOU'RE SEEING THAT THE ROOF LINE HAS BEEN RAISED BY ONE FOOT.
I THINK THAT'S AS FOUR INCHES IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
SO YOU'VE GOT YOUR ADDITION ON THE, I'M HAVING TO DO THIS IN MY HEAD BACKWARDS AGAIN.
UM, SO THIS IS THE EXISTING, THEY'RE OPENING UP THOSE SHUTTERS FOR THE FRONT, FOR
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THE RIGHT SIDE.YOU'RE SEEING JUST THE ROOF CHANGE HERE FOR THE LEFT SIDE, YOU SEE THE WING WIDEN AND FROM THE REAR ELEVATION, YOU SEE THE FULL EFFECT OF THAT ADDITIONAL SPACE THEY'RE BEING ADDED.
DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND WHAT I'VE SAID NOW SINCE I STARTED YOU OFF AS BEING CONFUSED? YEAH, THEY ACTUALLY IS, UH, ELIMINATING SOME OF THE, UM, ITEMS THAT, UH, IT'S MAKING THE PROPERTY LOOK MUCH BETTER, I THINK BY DOING SOME OF THESE THINGS.
SO I'VE INCLUDED THE WALL SECTION AND THEN THEY INCLUDED THE BRICK WORK THAT THEY PROPOSED AS SOME OF THE FLAT WORK, AS WELL AS THE RAILING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE UPGRADING HERE.
UM, SO AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE HERE'S THE BATHROOM ADDITION, AND THEN THEY'RE DOING SOME JUST SITE WORK AROUND IT.
UM, SO THIS PATIO DOES NOT CURRENTLY EXIST AND THEY'RE DOING SOME NEW PLANTINGS TO CLEAN UP THIS AREA.
AND THEN THIS IS THE ONE STORY RESIDENCE THAT HAS A COUPLE OF BUSINESSES IN IT, FRONTING LAWTON STREET.
I HAVE TO ALWAYS HAVE ONE GUYS.
UM, AND SO AGAIN, THIS IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
YOU HAVE THREE OPPORTUNITIES, SO YOU CAN APPROVE YOUR APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
YOU CAN APPROVE IT WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
ONCE YOU'VE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THOSE CRITERIA, WHICH ARE FOUND IN SECTION THREE 18 OF OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, SOUND STAFF FOUND THAT, UM, WITH TWO SMALL CONDITIONS, UM, THE APPLICATION IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CRITERIA IN THAT SECTION AND COULD BE APPROVED OR APPROVED THE CONDITIONS.
THE FIRST IS JUST THAT THERE IS, UM, THERE'S A NOTE ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE TAKING OUT A FEW OTHER INVASIVE SPECIES.
HOWEVER, THERE IS ALSO SOME BAMBOO ALONG THE REAR PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IS IN THIS AREA HERE, THAT IS AN INVASIVE SPECIES.
AND IF IT COULD BE REMOVED, THAT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT SINCE OUR ORDINANCE DOES AIM TO, UM, ERADICATE INVASIVE SPECIES AS THEY ARE IN OUR, UM, LOW COUNTRY AREA.
AND BAMBOO DOES SPREAD FAIRLY QUICKLY.
IT IS AN EXISTING, IT IS AN EXISTING PLANTINGS.
IS THAT CORRECT? MICHAEL, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO CHIME IN A LITTLE BIT FOR US IN REGARDS TO THAT, SINCE THIS IS YOUR EXPERTISE.
I HAVE NO, NO KNOWLEDGE OF BAMBOO WHATSOEVER.
WELL, I GOT THE WRONG PERSON, BOY.
I'M LOOKING AT HEY, BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE THERE SO FANTASTIC, JESSE, JESSE.
I MEAN, UH, IT DOES MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE IF IT, I MEAN, ALL OF THAT STILL HOLDS TRUE IF THE, UM, IT DOES MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE IF IT'S A RUNNING OR CLUMPING VARIETY OF BAMBOO.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT SPECIES IT IS.
UM, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, IF, IF, UM, THE APPLICANT WOULD BE WILLING, UM, TO DO, UM, NICE.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT, UM, I MEAN, UM, IT IS IN THE GROUND, RIGHT? LIKE IT'S NOT JUST IN A POT.
UM, TIM, IS IT IN THE GROUND OR IS IT ITEMS HERE? OKAY.
I JUST THOUGHT SINCE WE HAD JESSE AS OUR LANDSCAPE BACKUP.
UM, AND THE OTHER ITEM IS THAT A DETERMINATION ON THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE FINISHED FLOOR HEIGHT, WHICH IS LESS THAN THREE FEET ABOVE AVERAGE ADJACENT SIDEWALK GRADE, BUT IT MATCHES THE EXISTING STRUCTURE HAS FINISHED FLOOR HEIGHT NEEDS TO BE MADE.
AGAIN, THIS IS A STRUCTURE THAT IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE.
UM, THE FINISHED FLOOR HEIGHT FOR ALL, BUT A HUNDRED AND EIGHTY FIVE, EIGHTY THREE FEET, UM, 185 SQUARE FEET HAS BEEN SET.
UM, SO ALLOWING THIS DEVIATION, UH, STAFF FINDS THAT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO DO SO IN ORDER TO MATCH THE FINISHED FLOOR HEIGHT OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, RATHER THAN HAVE A WEIRD STEP UP INSIDE THE STRUCTURE.
AND WE'VE DONE THAT NUMEROUS TIMES BEFORE FOR THAT PURPOSE.
ANY DISCUSSION, ANY DISCUSSIONS ON THIS PROJECT? ANY COMMENTS, ANY IDEAS TO MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE TO OPEN UP TO TIM, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT TO TIM, HE'S GOT EVERYTHING.
UM, YEAH, THE ZOOMING THINGS JUST HELP US OUT.
YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO RESUME ZOOM.
SO NOW WE, UH, NOW WE'RE INTO, IS THERE ANYONE THAT WANTS TO CREATE A MOTION THAT, UH, YES, PLEASE.
KATIE, CAN YOU JUST PLEASE CONFIRM STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS,
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TWO ITEMS YOU HAVE THEM PRINTED.UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THIS SUBMIT WILL BE APPROVED PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND ACCEPTING THE EXISTING STRUCTURE APPROVING THE FINISHED FLOOR HEIGHT.
LET ME TRY THAT LAST PART AGAIN.
EXCEPTING THE PROPOSED FINISHED FLOOR HEIGHT OF THE ADDITION, GIVEN THE PRECEDENT SET BY THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, IS THAT CLEAR CARRIE AND KATIE? THAT'S GOOD.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR A SECOND ON THIS.
UH, ANY OPEN DISCUSSIONS ON THIS? UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE MOTION IS THAT IT IS TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS, UM, WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE BAMBOO ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND THE DETERMINATION THAT THE FINISHED FLOOR HEIGHT IS APPROPRIATE AT LESS THAN THREE FEET AS IT MATCHES THE EXISTING CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE HAS FINISHED FOR GRADE.
UH, SO AGAIN, I THINK WE'RE INTO A DISCUSSIONS.
IF THERE'S ANY DISCUSSIONS FURTHER ASKING FOR A VOTE, YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH ROLL, BRUCE APPROVE I MARY JESSE, KEVIN.
AND KATIE, IT LOOKS LIKE A AGAIN, YOU'RE UP ONCE AGAIN.
[IX.3. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by Sean and Kathy Barbina for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness to allow the construction a new 1.5 story single-family residence of approximately 2,152 SF located at 36 Wharf Street, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood General-HD. (COFA-01-22-016241) (Staff- Katie Peterson)]
ITEM NUMBER THREE, SEAN BARBARINA IS ENTERING THE MEETING.DO I LIKE LIVE MEETINGS MUCH BETTER GUYS.
ME TOO, BUT WE ARE MAKING IT WORK AND THE THUNDER IS STARTING HERE.
UH, IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE SEAN AND SEAN, WHO ARE YOU WITH PLEASE? MY WIFE, KATHY, KATHY.
AND KATIE LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE ON.
UM, THEY ARE THE HOMEOWNER AND THE APPLICANT ON THIS APPLICATION.
UM, AND SO THEY ARE HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT ON BOTH QUESTIONS TONIGHT WE HAVE BEFORE US AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW ONE, HALF STORY, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AT APPROXIMATELY 2,152 SQUARE FEET TO BE LOCATED AT 36 FOURTH STREET, WHICH IS IN THE HISTORIC, THE OLD TOMBOY BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND IT IS ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL HD.
THIS PARCEL IS LOCATED, RIGHT? YOU CAN GET SMALLER HERE ON THE SIDE IS LOCATED RIGHT HERE.
WELL, WITHIN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL ISSUES, ZONING DISTRICT, IT HAS FRONTAGE ON MOORE STREET.
AND THEN IT GOES ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO THE GERARD AVENUE SIDE HERE.
THIS IS A, UM, PICTURE OF THE SITE.
I DID TAKE IT FROM GOOGLE EARTH.
SO IT LOOKS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
UM, HOWEVER, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE ON THE SCREEN.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.
SO YOU HAVE THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE LOCATED HERE, FRONTING WORTH STREET.
UM, THERE IS A MANUFACTURED HOME THAT IS LOCATED TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE LOT HERE OR THE CENTER OF THE LOT KIND OF, UM, LOCATED HERE.
AND THEN THEY'VE GOT A FUTURE CARRIAGE HOUSE, WHICH IS NOT PART OF THIS REVIEW, BUT THEY'VE CITED IT ON THERE JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF SPACE.
SHOULD THEY DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE CARE TRIAL STRUCTURE IN THE FUTURE? THESE ARE THE ROOF AND FLOOR PLANS.
SO YOU'VE GOT THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN HERE.
THE SECOND FLOOR, YOU CAN SEE THE DOTTED OUTLINE HERE IS WHERE THAT FIRST FLOOR SITS UNDERNEATH IT.
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STORY STRUCTURE.IT'S JUST UNDER THAT 70% THRESHOLD.
AND THEN THE ROOF PLAN IS HERE.
THEY'VE GOT ALL THEIR CODE INFORMATION, THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THAT.
IT MAKES REVIEWING IT MUCH EASIER.
UM, THE FRONT AND REAR ELEVATION, THIS IS THE SIDE THAT FACES WORST STREET AND THEN THE SPACE IS THE REAR OF THE LOT.
UM, SO YOU HAVE THE FRONT ELEVATION, IT HAS A FRONT PORCH THAT RUNS THIS PORTION.
AND THEN THIS IS A, UM, INFIELD PORTION OF THE, WHAT WOULD BE THE PORCH, THE PORCH ROOF, UM, AS WELL AS SOME DORMERS UP HERE, THIS IS THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE, UM, SMALL BUMP OUT HERE OVER ON THE SIDE WITH THE SECOND STORY, WHICH SITS WELL WITHIN THAT FIRST FLOOR HERE, THE RIGHT AND LEFT ELEVATIONS.
SO THIS IS THE, UM, YOU RIGHT ELEVATION.
SO YOU'RE SEEING THE PORCH HERE AND ON THE LEFT ELEVATION, YOU SEE WHERE THAT PORTION OF THE FRONT IS IN FILLED IN RIGHT HERE.
I HAVE THE WALL SECTIONS, PORCH SESSIONS, AND SOME DETAIL HERE, AS WELL AS THE WINDOW AND DOOR SCHEDULE.
I'M HAPPY TO GO BACK TO ANY OF THE SLIDES AS YOU GUYS NEED TO LOOK AT THEM A LITTLE BIT CLOSER.
UM, I DO RUN THROUGH IT FAIRLY QUICKLY AND I KNOW THAT.
SO, AND THEN THE LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR THE SITE.
SO THEY'VE GOT SOME, UM, LANDSCAPING ALONG THE FRONT HERE FOR THE FOUNDATION PLANTINGS AND THEN THE CANOPY COVERAGE, UM, IMAGE HERE AGAIN, SHAWN AND CATHY ARE HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT TO SPEAK ON IT.
UH, THE HPC CONSIDERED A STATE REVIEW CRITERIA SET IN SECTION 3 18, 3 OF OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE AND CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION HAS BEEN BY THE APPLICANT, APPROVE IT WITH CONDITIONS OR DENIED.
THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
UM, STAFF FOUND THAT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, IT COULD BE, IT COULD MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND BE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS.
UM, THE FIRST ITEM MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THEM IF YOU'D LIKE, AND THEN, UM, CAN FLIP THROUGH SLIDES IS, AS WE DISCUSSED, IS THAT WHERE FESTER YOU'RE ON MUTE? GOOD OLD ZOOMING? UM, IT SEEMS LIKE SOMETIMES IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S QUITE A FEW ITEMS ON HERE.
UM, SOMETIMES THE PREFERENCE IS TO GO THROUGH EACH ITEM AND THEN HAVE DISCUSSION OR GO THROUGH ALL ITEMS, BUT THEN IT SEEMS LIKE, UH, IT'S BEEN, UH, KIND OF MORE USEFUL TO GO THROUGH EACH ITEM.
AND IF THERE'S A, UH, PROBABLY WORKS IN THE BEST INTEREST IN A FURTHER DISCUSSION, OR IF YOU COULD BRING UP THAT PARTICULAR AREA, UM, IN THE ELEVATION.
SO WE COULD SEE WHAT IS ACTUALLY MACK WOULD BE THE BEST.
SO LET'S GO ABOUT IT IN THAT DIRECTION, KATIE.
SO THE FIRST ITEM IS THAT, UM, A PRIMARY STRUCTURE CAN NOT BE APPROVED FOR THE SITE UNTIL THE MANUFACTURED HOME IS REMOVED.
THE SUBDIVISION CREATED, UM, TO CREATE THAT VACANT PARCEL BECAUSE WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BECAUSE OF THE FORM-BASED CODE, THE DENSITY FOR LOTS WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ARE DERIVED BY THE BUILDING TYPE, WHICH IS PLACED ON LOT.
UM, THIS ONE ALREADY HAS A MANUFACTURED HOME, WHICH FALLS INTO THAT ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE STANDARD.
UM, SO A SECOND PRIMARY STRUCTURE COULD BE APPROVED UNTIL IT IS REMOVED OR THE, UM, WELL, A SECOND ONE COULD NOT BE APPROVED, BUT THIS PRIMARY WOULD BECOME THE ONLY PRIMARY ON THE SITE.
SO FOR THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU'VE GOT HERE, THAT'S THE MANUFACTURED HOME.
UM, THEY DO HAVE A SUBDIVISION THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED.
UM, IT JUST HASN'T BEEN COMPLETED AND RECORDED.
SO IF THAT GETS COMPLETED AND RECORDED, THAT WOULD CREATE THIS VACANT PARCEL AND ALLOW THIS TO MOVE FORWARD.
UM, OR THE MANUFACTURED HOME, BECAUSE IT'S MANUFACTURED HOME COULD BE REMOVED WITH A DEMOLITION PERMIT THAT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE REVIEWED BY THE HPC.
DOES EVERYONE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S SOMEWHAT CONFUSING? THERE IS A MANUFACTURED HOME THAT'S EXISTING ON HIS PROPERTY RIGHT NOW.
HIS PROPERTY IS LISTED AS ONE PROPERTY.
SO THEREFORE BY ADDING ANOTHER A HOUSE, YOU CAN'T HAVE TWO HOMES ON ONE PROPERTY.
WE DON'T HAVE THROUGH DRC THE APPROVAL FOR THIS TO BE TWO LOTS.
SO WE HAVE TO APPROVE IT AS SHOWN TODAY.
IS THAT, IS THAT PRETTY MUCH SYNOPSIS OF IT? YES, SIR.
DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? UM, SO, SO, SO THE, YOUR, YOUR BOARD IS APPROVING THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE STRUCTURE, RIGHT? AND YOU CAN APPROVE IT WITH STIPULATIONS.
AM I, AM I NOT CORRECT? SO THERE WON'T BE TWO PRIMARY STRUCTURES ON THE LOT THAT ARE OCCUPIABLE.
SO BECAUSE, BECAUSE YOU CAN HOLD UP OCCUPANCY OF
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THE OTHER STRUCTURE UNTIL THE MANUFACTURER HOME IS REMOVED.I DON'T, IT HAS TO BE MANUFACTURED.
SO YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH DRC IN ORDER TO HAVE A SUBDIVISION, AND THAT'S NOT OUR PREVIOUS AT ALL.
SO THEREFORE WE'RE LOOKING AT IT AS THESE DRAWINGS.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE APPROVING IT AS FOR THESE DRAWINGS SPECIFICALLY.
RIGHT? SO, SO IN, SO 5, 5, 15, 5 SAYS THAT THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
SO 5 15, 5 SAYS THAT THE DENSITY IS DERIVED BY THE BUILDING TYPE, WHICH HAS PLACED ON THE LOT.
THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE PRIMARY STRUCTURE FOR LATIN ONE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE HAS TO MEET THE CHARACTERISTICS OF A CARRIAGE HOUSE.
A MANUFACTURED HOME MEETS THOSE OF AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE.
SO IT SAYS ONE, IT SAYS ONE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
THE DENSITY IS DERIVED BY THE BUILDING TYPE, WHICH IS PLACED ON THE LOT.
THERE'S CURRENTLY A PRIMARY STRUCTURE ON THE SITE MAKING THIS THE SECOND ONE, WHICH WOULD NO LONGER MEET THE DENSITY REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A SECOND PRIMARY STRUCTURE ON THE SITE.
SO, I MEAN, W WE, WE, WE NEED TO KEEP THE MANUFACTURED HOME HERE UNTIL WE FINISHED THE STRUCTURE, AND THEN WE CAN REMOVE THE MANUFACTURED HOME AND MOVE AND THEN MOVE IN.
SO WHAT CAN WE DO FOR THE TOWN IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN? SO I, I, UH, SUBDIVISION THAT, THAT MEETS THE LOT REQUIREMENTS COULD BE COMPLETED TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN TWO DIFFERENT LOTS, WHICH WOULD THEN HAVE THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE ON IT.
THEY WON'T, THEY WON'T APPROVE A SUBDIVISION UNTIL THE, THE MANUFACTURED HOME IS REMOVED.
IF IT DOESN'T MEET THE SETBACKS, WELL, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T MOVE THE, YOU CAN'T MOVE THE MATH MODULAR HOME.
IT'S FROM 1988, IT WON'T MEET ANY OF THE STRUCTURAL REQUIREMENTS.
UH, YOU CAN'T MOVE THE MAIL MODULAR HOME TO ANYWHERE THAT MEETS THE UDL, BECAUSE IT ALREADY DOESN'T MEET THE UDL AND YOU CAN'T SUBDIVIDE IT WHERE THE MANUFACTURED HOME IS TO MEET THE SETBACKS.
SO, UM, THE MANUFACTURED HOME NEEDS TO BE REMOVED.
THAT'S WE, WE A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE.
SO, UH, WE, WE WANT TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN WITH, WITH WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE ESSENTIALLY COMING TO YOU ALL TO SEE WHAT, WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS.
I MEAN, BESIDES REMOVING THE MANUFACTURED HOME, UH, OF COURSE WE'LL HAVE TO FIND A PLACE TO RENT.
UM, AND WHILE WE'RE DOING CONSTRUCTION, AND I KNOW THAT'S NO, NO SKIN OFF ANYBODY'S BACK EXCEPT FOR OURS.
UM, SO UNFORTUNATELY THE HPC DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE A SECOND PRIMARY STRUCTURE ON THIS SITE.
UM, IF THAT WERE TO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED, IT WOULD BE THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS THROUGH THE VARIANCE PROCESS, AND YOU NEED TO MEET THEIR CRITERIA FOR THAT.
UM, BUT THIS COMMISSION HAS THE AUTHORITY TO REVIEW THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED, WHICH IN WHICH IS NOT MEETING THE DENSITY STANDARDS AS CURRENTLY PROPOSED.
SO IT COULD GO THROUGH THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS, UM, OR POTENTIALLY A LETTER COULD BE WRITTEN TO THE ADMINISTRATOR TO SEE IF SHE WOULD ALLOW THE, TO ALLOW THE STRUCTURE TO REMAIN, BUT NOT TO GET A SEAL ON THE SITE.
HOWEVER, THAT'S NOT UP TO THIS COMMISSION OR, OR MYSELF AS STAFF, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU'D HAVE TO REQUEST OTHERWISE.
SO PRIMARY STRUCTURE WOULD HAVE TO BE OCCUPIABLE.
WE ARE APPROVING THE CONSTRUCTION OF A PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
THIS ISN'T THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
THIS IS FOR PLACING A HOME ON THE SITE AS PROPOSED ON THE SITE PLAN.
SO BASICALLY I THINK IF, IF YOU WENT, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY YOU BROUGHT IT TO THIS COMMISSION AND MAY I SAY MAYBE JUST TOO EARLY, UM, THE POSSIBILITY OF WHAT YOU SUGGESTED KATIE WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE.
AND THEN WITH THOSE LETTERS OF APPROVAL OR LETTERS OF WHATEVER THEIR STATEMENTS ARE THEN TO BRING IT TO THIS BOARD, IS THAT A STEP THAT COULD SOLVE A SOLUTION? I KNOW IT'S EXTENDING, UH, UM, THAT IS AN OPTION.
THE OTHER OPTION IS THAT THE SUBDIVISION BE COMPLETED CREATING A PARCEL THAT ALLOWS FOR THIS TO BE VACANT OR FOR THE MANUFACTURED HOME TO BE REMOVED.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS, ANY OTHER IDEAS? I MEAN, SO, SO W I MEAN, YOU GUYS WOULDN'T NEED TO GO ANY FURTHER THAN ONE IF WE CAN'T COMPLY WITH ONE, RIGHT? SO, BECAUSE THERE ARE OPTIONS FOR HOW THAT COULD MOVE FORWARD.
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I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO GO THROUGH THE REVIEW CRITERIA.SO EVEN IF THE APPLICATION IS TABLE TONIGHT, IF YOU REQUEST TO BE TABLED, UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO THROUGH THE REST OF THEM, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE HPC IS LOOKED AT ALL OF THESE CRITERIA AND THAT, UM, YOU COULD MAKE ANY CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT HE HAS THESE IN WRITTEN FORMAT NOW.
SO I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE IS SINCE YOU HAVE THE RECOMMENDATIONS ALREADY, AND THIS IS PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE, SO I, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE A COPY OF THIS, DON'T YOU, SEAN? I HAVE NOT SEEN THESE YET.
SO THIS ISN'T A STAFF REPORT, WHICH IS AVAILABLE ONLINE AND ALSO COULD BE SENT TO YOU.
BUT, UH, THESE ARE ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO INSTEAD OF, AS YOU WERE SAYING, UM, UH, THE US GOING THROUGH EACH ITEM IS, IS GOOD, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO GET ANY APPROVALS TONIGHT.
IT COULD RECEIVE AN, A, IT COULD RECEIVE A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL AS LONG AS NUMBER ONE IS, IS IDENTIFIED.
UM, SO AGAIN, BECAUSE THE HPC DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ALLOW, UH, A VARIANCE FROM THE DENSITY OF THIS SITE, ONE MUST BE ATTACHED TO AN APPROVAL.
HOWEVER, IF, IF ONE IS MET, THEN THE OTHER ITEMS COULD POTENTIALLY BE APPROVED AT A STAFF LEVEL, OR, UM, BROUGHT BACK TO THE HPRC.
IF THE APPLICANT DOESN'T WANT TO CONSIDER IT WITH ITEM ONE, IT MAY BE IN YOUR BEST INTEREST TO REQUEST THE COMMISSION TABLE.
I JUST DIDN'T, I DIDN'T WANT IT IN CASE THIS WAS A SHOWSTOPPER.
I DIDN'T WANT TO WASTE ANYONE'S ANY, ANY FURTHER TIME.
IN A SENSE, IT IS A SHOWSTOPPER, ANOTHER WORD.
HOWEVER, IT IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE SHOWSTOPPER BECAUSE THE SUBDIVISION IS APPROVED THROUGH A DIFFERENT COMMISSION AND THE DEMOLITION PERMIT ARE, SO BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE HPC.
SO IF STAFF CAN SAY, YES, THEY'VE MET THIS CONDITION, THEN IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE HPC IF THE OTHER ITEMS WERE MET.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE, JOSH NEWTON, YOU TOOK YOURSELF OFF MUTE.
DO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? YES.
SO SEAN, IN ESSENCE NUMBER ONE'S OUT OF OUR HANDS, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT TO SATISFY NUMBER ONE IN ORDER FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THE HOME AND BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CONSTRUCTION AND CONSTRUCTION.
HOWEVER, WE CAN SET THAT ASIDE FOR A SECOND.
AND I WOULD ASK KATIE, IF WE COULD READ THROUGH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR 2, 3, 4, AND FIVE, LET'S TRY TO MAKE AS MUCH PROGRESS WITH THIS AGENDA ITEM AS WE CAN, WITH A HOPE THAT BEST CASE SCENARIO, THEY DO NOT HAVE TO COME BACK TO HPC FROM THIS MEETING AND THIS, UM, THIS PROCESS.
UM, SO THE SECOND ITEM IS THAT, UM, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN MUST BE REVISED TO INCLUDE LARGE CANOPY STREET TREES.
THE SECOND ONE, BECAUSE THEY WERE BOTH LANDSCAPE RELATED.
SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH TO THIS TIME, IS THAT THE KENNEDY COVER, HE EXHIBIT MUST BE UPDATED TO SHOW THE PERCENTAGE OF THE SITE, NOT INCLUDING ROOFTOPS, WHICH WILL BE AT OR EXCEED THE 75% COVERAGE.
UM, SO THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AND THE CANOPY PIN HERE.
THEY DO HAVE SOME PALMETTO TREES HERE AT THE FRONT.
THOSE ARE NOT CONSIDERED, UM, LARGE CANOPY TREES.
SO THEY, THERE JUST NEEDS TO BE, UM, LARGE CANOPY TREES INSTALLED RATHER THAN PALMETTOS OR IN ADDITION TO THE PALMETTOS.
SO THAT'S AN OPTION AS WELL, IF YOU WANT THE PALMETTOS THERE AND THEN THE CANOPY COVERAGE, UM, IT JUST WASN'T QUITE TO SCALE.
SO I COULDN'T PUT IT OVER THE SITE PLAN HERE, THE SITE PLAN.
SO THIS HERE NEEDS TO BE OVERLAID WITH WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED AND THE FUTURE CARRIE'S HOUSE DOES NOT COUNT AT THIS TIME.
I WENT THE WRONG WAY PLACED ON HERE WITH THE CANOPY COVERAGE, CALCULATION, COUNTING ALL OF THE AREA THAT IS NOT UNDER ROOFTOP.
UM, I CAN SHOW YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THAT IF YOU NEED ASSISTANCE WITH GETTING THAT CALCULATION, BECAUSE IT IS, UM, ONE THAT I SEE A LOT OF CHALLENGE WITH.
SO YEAH, SO I, AND, AND JUST TO EXPLAIN WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO, WE, WE NEED TO REMOVE SOME OF THOSE DEAD TREES, OF COURSE, THAT I, I PUT IN THE RESPONSE.
UH, SO THAT KINDA THINS OUT A LITTLE BIT OF THE NORTHERN PORTION.
AND THEN THE SOUTHERN ONE, YOU CAN SEE THE HATCH THAT SOME TREES MOVED AND THEN WE'RE ADDING IN ON THE FRONT.
SO, UM, THE LARGE CANOPY TREES.
WE CAN, WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT, UM, ON THE FRONTAGE.
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THIS IS A VERY BAD EXAMPLE OF MY DRAWING IF YOUR HOUSE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT AT THE SINGLE, BUT WHAT, IT'S NOT PARALLEL TO THE ROAD, EITHER PARALLEL TO THE STREET AND SEAN, IT IS YOUR HOUSE IS PROPOSED TO PARALLEL TO THE STREET.SO THAT'S NOT A CONCERN, BUT WHAT THE AREA THAT WILL NEED TO BE CONNECTED IS THE AREA THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE RE-CAP.
SO LIKE THIS AREA HERE WOULD NOT COUNT TOWARDS THAT CANDY COVERAGE.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR 75% OF THIS SPACE HERE TO BE, UM, THAT ROOFTOP AREA.
SO, UM, AND AGAIN, I CAN SHOW YOU THAT MORE AFTER AT A, AT A LATER DATE, BASICALLY FOR THAT ONE.
UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SEE.
I JUST COULDN'T QUITE SCALE IT THERE.
THE NEXT ONE IS, UM, TO ESTABLISH VERTICAL RHYTHM ALONG THE FRONT FACADE, DORMERS MUST BE CENTERED TO ALIGN WITH THE WINDOWS OR COLUMNS ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
SO THAT IS, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE FRONT ELEVATION HERE, UM, THIS FRONT, THIS DORMER ON THE RIGHT DOES ALIGN HERE WITH THE CENTER OF THIS.
MY LINE MIGHT NOT BE PERFECTLY STRAIGHT, BUT IT'S CLOSE.
UM, AND THEN THIS ONE IS OFF CENTER HERE AND IT DOESN'T CENTER ITSELF ON THE DOOR HERE.
SO, UM, THIS DORMER WOULD NEED TO BE SHIFTED OVER OR THE PORCH NARROWED OR, OR SOME FORMAT TO MAKE THE DORMERS ALIGN WITH THOSE CENTER LINES OF COLUMNS OR WINDOWS BELOW.
SO ARE YOU SAYING THEY HAVE TO BE MOVED OR YOU'RE RECOMMENDING THEM? THEY MOVED? I, I GUESS I WOULD ASK EVERYBODY, UM, DO, ARE, DO YOU FEEL THAT THE RHYTHM AND I'LL, I'LL USE YOUR TERM? I MEAN, IT'S NOT REALLY RHYTHM, UM, BUT DO YOU, DO YOU GUYS, DOES ANYONE ELSE FEEL THAT IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE FRONT ELEVATION, PLEASE, IT DOESN'T THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK APPEALING OR AT LEAST, UM, TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
NOW, IF YOU WANT TO USE THE TERM RHYTHM.
IT WOULD BE LIKE AN, A, B A, B A KIND OF A RHYTHM IS WHAT YOU WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT.
SO THERE IS A TOP AND A BOTTOM PORTION THAT IS BROKEN UP IN THE GOLDEN RULE.
UH, SO IN EACH, THE TOP AND BOTTOM PORTION ARE IN THEIR OWN RHYTHM.
UH, I KNOW YOU SAY, UH, THAT I KNOW THAT OREGON'S CALLS OUT DIRECTLY STACKING, UH, ELEMENTS.
UM, I THINK THE ELEMENTS SEEM TO BE VISUALLY STACKED IN A, IN A VISUALLY PLEASING MANNER.
UM, SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN ARGUE THAT THINGS ARE STACKED.
UM, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE LOOKING FOR CEMETERY IS KIND OF WHAT YOU KEEP DRAWING.
YOU DRAW, YOU WERE DRAWING THAT YOU WANT THINGS CENTERED OR THE SAME DISTANCE APART, OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT CEMETERY IS SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE.
UH, I ALSO READ IN THE ORDINANCE, I CAN BRING IT UP.
I THINK I USED IT IN MY RESPONSE THAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR PEOPLE TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE UNIQUE HERE AND THERE, NOT TO DO THE EXACT SAME THING ALL THE TIME.
SO I I'M, I'M JUST, I'M KIND OF GIVING MY REASONS FOR WHY IT LOOKS THE WAY IT DOES.
THERE'S FUNCTION, BUT I DID PUT SOME FORM, UM, UH, OVER THE FUNCTION OF IT.
AND, UH, EVEN THOUGH RIGHT NOW, IT'S NOT THE BEST LAYOUT FOR THE FUNCTION OF THE HOUSE.
UH, IT, IT WORKS BOTH, UH, HAND IN HAND.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT WITH THIS.
SO IF YOU GUYS FEEL IT'S VISUALLY UNPLEASING, UH, OR, UM, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO YOU VISUALLY THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN THAT AND SEE WHAT, IF YOU HAD ANY, UM, SUGGESTIONS, BUT I FEEL, OF COURSE, IT'S, IT'S VISUALLY PLEASING AND STACKING THEM.
DOESN'T HELP THE, THE ARCHITECTURE, JOSH AND JESSIE.
DO YOU WANT TO ADD IN, WELL, I MEAN, I WAS JUST, I WILL NOT.
I MEAN, I THINK OVERALL IT LOOKS, UM, I MEAN, IT WILL BE A GREAT, UM, A GREAT HOUSE.
I DO AGREE WITH, UM, SAS RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT, FOR THAT FRONT ELEVATION, I THINK, UM, TO YOUR POINT, IT DOES NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE SYMMETRICAL, BUT, UM, METRIC, BUT, UM, IT DOES NEED TO BE BALANCED AND IT'S REALLY THROWING ME OFF THAT.
UM, THE, LIKE WE HAVE TWO DORMERS AND YOU'VE GOT THE DOOR, THE DOORWAY, AND THE FACT THAT THEY'RE JUST A LITTLE, UM, LIKE TH THAT'S NOT ALIGNING, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT COULD MAKE SENSE.
UM, SO I MEAN, THESE AREN'T ALL AT ALL.
MAYBE DO ONE BIGGER DORMER THAT'S CENTERED ON THE, UM, DOORWAY OR SOMETHING.
I, I DO UNDERSTAND, OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE GOT ONE SIDE THAT HAS THE PORCH ONE SIDE THAT'S COMPLETELY FILLED IN.
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AND, UM, WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT AT, UH, ASKING AND NOR DOES, UM, I HAVEN'T HEARD HPC EVER SAY THAT WE, WE NEED SYMMETRIC, UM, BUILDINGS.THEY JUST NEED TO BE BALANCED.
AND, UM, RIGHT NOW THERE'S NOT A GOOD RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE FIRST STORY AND THE SECOND STORY, JOSH AND EVAN.
UH, IF YOU GUYS COULD, UH, OR ANYONE ELSE WHEN YOU'RE BEING AN ARCHITECT, DO YOU HAVE ANY FEELINGS ON THIS WHEN YOU HEAR THAT? WOULD YES.
UM, ME PERSONALLY, IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME BEING ASYMMETRIC, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THE DORMERS ARE CENTERED ON THE SECOND STORY MASSING, WHICH I THINK IS MORE IMPORTANT OVERALL FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT.
UM, IF I HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT THE EXTERIOR, UM, ONE POINT TO BRING UP WOULD BE THE, THE C WINDOWS, WHICH ARE OVER THE, LET'S SEE IN THE KITCHEN OVER THE SINK, THERE'S A GANG OF THREE OF THEM.
AND THEN ONE ON THE, IN THE SAME ROOM ON THE REAR ELEVATION.
UM, I, I'D PROBABLY RECOMMEND THAT WE MATCH THE WINDOWS STYLES AND HAVE THAT TWO OVER ONE, UH, DESIGN STYLE RATHER THAN MIXING AND MATCHING BETWEEN THE TWO OVER ONE AND A SINGLE ONE LIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IN THE PURVIEW OF OUR, OUR DISCUSSION OR NOT, BUT THAT WOULD BE MY, UH, THAT WOULD BE ONE POINT I'D LIKE TO BRING UP.
I THINK JESSE HAD THAT SAME, RIGHT, JESSE, THAT WAS YOU AND I, THAT TALKED ABOUT IT PREVIOUSLY.
AND I, AND I KNOW I, IT WAS SOMETHING I, AND THAT'S NOT A, THAT'S NOT A, UH, A HILL ON I'M REALLY CARE TO CLIMB, SO I'M OKAY WITH ADDING MULLIONS TO THAT, TO MAKE IT SIMILAR TO, OR THE SAME, UH, WINDOW STYLES, THE OTHER ONES, UH, IT WAS KIND OF JUST A PREFERENCE OF OURS IN THAT KITCHEN, OVER THE COUNTERTOP TO HAVE THAT CLEAR VIEW.
UM, BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS PREFER, UH, W I'M I'M NOT, UM, I'M NOT COMPLETELY MARRIED TO THE, THE SOLID GLASS.
SO CAN YOU SHOW, CAN YOU SHOW THAT, THAT WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT AGAIN? CAUSE I DIDN'T REALLY SEE THE SIDE ELEVATION IS THIS WINDOW HERE.
SO THOSE, YEAH, THOSE TRIPLE THOSE TRIPLE WINDOWS IN THAT SINGLE WINDOW ON THAT SIDE, UH, ON THAT LITTLE BUMP OUT, UM, THOSE ARE THE ONLY ONES OF THAT STYLE WITHOUT THE C UH, DOUBLE OVER SINGLE.
UM, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
DID YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING? SO THERE'S, I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT THERE'S NOT AN EASY WAY TO, TO FIND THAT ALIGNMENT, TO FIND THAT STACKING, BUT WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT ADJUSTMENTS TO THE OFFICE AND TO THE, UM, TO THE LIVING ROOM THERE, THERE ISN'T.
AND THAT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE HAVING TO ADJUST THE FRONT ENTRY.
SO I THINK IN THE FRONT ELEVATION WAS HARD TO FORESEE IS THE STEP BACK OF THE PORCH AND THOSE A WINDOWS IN THE LIVING ROOM, NOT BEING IN THE SAME PLANE AS THE OFFICE.
SO I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING MORE TO ADD THEM WHAT EVAN HAS SAID.
I'D RECOGNIZE IT, BUT IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME.
THERE'S SYMMETRY IN THE STRUCTURE ITSELF AND THE DIFFERENT SEGMENTS OF IT.
AND I THINK THAT SEEING IT FROM THE STREET, AS OPPOSED TO A TWO DIMENSIONAL DRAWING IT'S GOING TO, OR I'M NOT CONCERNED WITH THAT, THE MOUNTAIN ISSUE ON C WINDOWS IS AN EASY ONE.
UM, I THINK IT'LL BE A GOOD CONTRIBUTION TO OR STREET.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE KATIE, I BELIEVE THAT WAS ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
ARE WE PROCEEDING ON NUMBER FIVE NOW? IS THAT CORRECT? OR WHERE ARE WE? SO I'M JUST, UH, A POINT OF CLARIFICATION ON THIS IS THAT THEY NEED TO, THE CO SESSION THAT'S BEING QUOTED.
THERE IS THE VERTICAL RHYTHM PORTION, BUT THEN ALSO THE DORMERS MUST BE CENTERED TO ALIGN WITH WINDOWS OR COLUMNS ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
THAT'S THE SECTION HERE, WHICH I BROUGHT UP, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS, CAN YOU ALL SEE THAT PART OF MY SCREEN OR CAN YOU ONLY SEE THE POWERPOINT? SO IF, IF THERE'S A, IF THERE'S A MOTION MADE, WE NEED TO STATE THAT THERE'S A DEVIATION HERE, IS THAT CORRECT? IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE CREATING A DEVIATION FROM THIS STANDARD
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HERE, WHICH REQUIRES THAT THEY SHALL BE ALIGNED WITH THE ELEMENTS BELOW.SO MOVING FORWARD, IF SOMEBODY WERE TO MAKE A MOTION, WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT IN THE MOTION, UH, IN SOME MANNER.
WELL, I MEAN, SO THEY, THEY ARE ALIGNED.
THEY, AS YOU SHOWED WITH YOUR RED LINE, THEY ARE ALIGNED.
THEY'RE JUST NOT ALIGNED IDENTICALLY.
SO I, I DID PERFORM THE SHELL.
SO IF YOU DRAW A LINE AGAIN, CENTER OF THE RIGHT SIDE, UM, TECHNICALLY THE CENTERS ARE ALIGNED ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE UPPER DORMER TO THE LOWER WINDOW.
AND ON THE LEFT SIDE, THE LEFT JM IS ALIGNED.
SO THEY ARE ALIGNED NOW, ARE THEY ALIGNED IDENTICALLY? NO.
UM, BUT THAT'S THE LETTER, THE LETTER OF THE LAW I DID SHALL ALIGN THEM.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHERE I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY.
I, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T TRY TO BEND ANY RULES.
I WAS, I WAS DOING, UM, WHAT I THOUGHT WAS, UH, UH, VISUALLY APPEALING AND, AND ALIGNING AT THE SAME TIME.
ARE THERE, IS THERE A PRECEDENCE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID THEN MOVES IN, IN CONFLICT TO THIS REQUIREMENT? NOT THAT I'M FAMILIAR, NOT THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH.
UH, I DON'T THINK SO OF EXISTING HOMES THAT DON'T HAVE ALIGNED TO DORMERS.
SO THIS IS, THERE ARE, THIS COMES UP, THIS COMES UP.
AND THEN I KNOW THAT, WELL, I BELIEVE THIS COMES UP IN RECENT DISCUSSIONS AND TYPICALLY, UH, SOME ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT WAS CHANGED IN ORDER TO DO THAT.
NOW, SOMEONE JOSH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DID, OR, UH, JESSE MENTIONED THAT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF YOU MADE THAT JUST ONE BIG DORM OF, UM, AND IT HA IT SHOULD JUST BE NOTED THAT THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE WAS UPDATED IN, I BELIEVE AUGUST OF LAST YEAR, UM, TO REFLECT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT NEEDED TO BE CORRECTED FROM WHAT WASN'T IN THIS UNIFIED VOTE ORDINANCE.
SO, UM, THIS MAY BE A SECTION THAT HAS BEEN ADDED IN SINCE THEN.
I CAN'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, UNFORTUNATELY, IF IT WAS ADDED IN AUGUST OR IF IT HAD BEEN THERE PREVIOUSLY, BUT THERE ARE SOME STRUCTURES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH DO HAVE, UM, ELEMENTS, WHICH DON'T ALIGN DIRECTLY ABOVE WINDOWS.
UM, HOWEVER, IT'S NOT A PRECEDENT THAT HAS BEEN SET SINCE I, THAT I CAN RECALL, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT DOESN'T EXIST.
SO PLEASE NOTE THAT I MAY NOT HAVE EVERY BUILDING IN THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT MEMORIZED THAT HAS HAD THIS SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC DISCUSSION.
SO SEAN, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO DO.
AND, YOU KNOW, JUST EVEN IF IT IS FOR A FOLLOW-UP REVIEW AT THE STAFF LEVEL, TO BE ABLE TO FIND IN SITE SPECIFIC HOMES, ESPECIALLY HISTORIC STRUCTURES THAT ARE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES THAT WOULD SUPPORT, UM, SUPPORT YOUR CASE HERE.
AND IN ESSENCE, THE INTENT OF, OF THIS ITEM IS TO HAVE THE CENTER OF THOSE TWO WINDOWS STACK IDENTICALLY TO THE CENTER OF THE TWO WINDOWS ON THE RIGHT.
SO EVEN THOUGH THERE IS, AS YOU STATED THAT THERE IS SOME ALIGNMENT THERE IT'S, IT'S NOT COMPLETELY SYMMETRIC THAT'S THE INTENT IS, IS THE CEMETERY GOING BACK TO THE DISCUSSION IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF YOU MADE THAT ONE BIG DORMER? IS THAT A, UH, AN ARCHITECTURAL FOOD PIE, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, UH, POSSIBLY WOULD WORK THAT WOULD MAKE THIS GO AWAY? THIS IS EVAN SPEAKING.
UM, I DON'T THINK IT PARTICULARLY WORKS WITH THE FLOOR PLAN AS IS, UNLESS YOU MADE SOME SEVERE MODIFICATIONS TO IT.
AND I, I DO WANT TO BRING UP OR PARKING BACK TO JOSH'S POINT ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE, THE PORCH IS INSET VERSUS THE OFFICE, WHICH IS FLUSH WITH THE, THE STREET SIDE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE FROM A VISIBILITY STANDPOINT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT IN THREE DIMENSIONS.
AGAIN, I THINK THE, THE CEMETERY UP ON THE SECOND FLOOR ITSELF IS PARAMOUNT AND WOULD MORE THAN SATISFY, UM, AESTHETIC, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKING IT LOOK ASCETICALLY OKAY FROM THE, FROM THE STREET.
UM, YEAH, I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH IT.
AND I ALSO WANTED TO BRING UP IF WE'RE, IF WE'VE WANTED SOME PRECEDENTS, SHAWN, UM, THE HAYWARD HOUSE, WHICH IS THE, THE HOME OF THE HISTORIC BLUFFTON FOUNDATION IS, UH, IF YOU'VE EVER WALKED IT AND HAVE ANY SORT OF EYE FOR DESIGN, AS YOU DO A IT'S
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NOTORIOUSLY OFF CENTER WITH ALL THE DORMERS.SO THAT'D BE A GOOD ONE TO BRING UP IN.
AND I DO, I DO RECOGNIZE THAT THE ORDINANCE GETS UPDATED AND IT'S FOR A REASON TO MAKE THINGS MORE UNIFORM AND MAKE THINGS MORE APPEALING AND TO MAKE THIS PROCESS EASIER.
UH, AND, AND SO SHOWING PRECEDENT OF PREVIOUS, ISN'T ALWAYS, IT'S ALWAYS ALMOST AS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TRYING NOT TO DO AGAIN.
I, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT TOO, BUT WE'RE, UH, WE'RE, I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE IS THAT THE ORDINANCE ALSO SAYS, UH, I HAVE A QUOTE HERE THAT, UM, IT, IT SAYS, SORRY, I THOUGHT I HAD IT RIGHT HERE.
UM, ABOUT, UH, IN 15 OR 5 15, 1 PREPARED TO PROVIDE GUIDANCE AND CONSISTENCY INFORMATION INFORMATIVE.
IT IS NOT BY ANY MEANS INTENDED TO DISCOURAGE CREATIVITY OR FORCE THE REPLICATION OF HISTORIC MODELS SET FORTH OF A FRAMEWORK ENHANCE OLD TOWN.
SO ALL ON TRUST TRYING TO SAY IS, I THINK JOSH SAID THAT, OR JOSHUA SAID THAT, UM, THE, THE INTENT, SO IF WE GET IT INTO THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE, OPPOSED TO THE LETTER OF THE LAW, THE ORDINANCE WE'LL GET INTO A SLIPPERY SLOPE.
SO I'M TRYING TO, I WAS TRYING TO FULFILL THE LETTER OF IT, THAT IT SHALLOW LINE.
AND I FEEL LIKE YOU GUYS AREN'T REALLY GOING OUTSIDE OF OUT.
YOU'RE NOT GOING OUTSIDE OF THE LETTER APPROVING THIS ON THAT PART, BECAUSE IT DOES ALIGN NOW, DOES IT ALIGN, LIKE JOSHUA SAID, THE INTENT OF THE ALIGNMENT THAT IT WAS GOING FOR? I FEEL LIKE THAT'S WHERE THE CREATIVITY CAN COME INTO PLAY.
UM, UM, I'M JUST, I'M PAUL, UM, BEING A POLITICIAN NOW.
SO, UM, I AM ASKING THAT THIS ELEVATION BE APPROVED AS IS.
UM, CAN I, CAN I PUT, CAN I PUT ANOTHER, WOULD YOU SAY, PLEASE GO AHEAD AND GO.
AND YOUR, YOUR, YOU HAVE A, BEFORE YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO ADD SOMETHING TRUMP.
WELL, I, I MEAN, COULD I PUT ANOTHER 15 HOURS INTO ADJUSTING THE FLOOR PLAN THAT REALLY, REALLY WORKS AND MAKES SENSE.
AND WHETHER YOU GUYS KNOW, OR NOT HAVING MULTIPLE KIDS AND HAVING IDENTICAL SIZE ROOMS, W IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S A GAME CHANGER TO HAVE IDENTICAL SIZE ROOMS AND I DON'T HAVE TO PLAY FAVORITES.
SO A LOT OF THOUGHT HAS BEEN TAKEN INTO THE, THE, THE UNIFORMITY OF THAT SECOND FLOOR, AS WELL AS THE, UM, MOTION OF THE FIRST FLOOR AND HOW IT, UM, PROTRUDES AND HAS AN OPEN PORCH.
SO I'M REALLY ASKING THAT THIS ELEVATION BE ACCEPTED AS IS EVEN, AND I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE, UM, YOU'RE OVERRIDING THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE I THINK I STILL, I BET THAT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT WE DO HAVE TO STATE EMOTION FOR THE PURPOSES.
IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S A MOTION MADE, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO STATE IT SO THAT IT, THE REASON FOR NOT FOLLOWING THE VIDEO IS CLEAR.
UM, SO THAT IN THE FUTURE, BUT I DID FOLLOW THE UDL.
THAT'S THAT'S, I, I, I GUESS I'M NOT, SO THAT'S THE ONLY REASON.
UM, DO YOU HAVE IT BECAUSE I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT IS A LITTLE BIT OFF, BUT DO YOU HAVE IT THAT WAY? BECAUSE, UH, BECAUSE THE INTERIOR NEEDS IT THAT WAY OR BECAUSE YOU THINK IT LOOKS AESTHETICALLY BETTER.
SO IT WAS A COMPROMISE BACK AND FORTH.
SO I, DID IT ADJUST THE INTERIOR IN ORDER TO MAKE IT MORE UNIFORM.
I DID MAKE SURE I MADE IT REALLY LIKED THE EXTERIOR BEFORE I FINISHED THE BACK AND FORTH.
SO IT WAS A FORM AND FUNCTION BACK AND FORTH, UM, PUSH AND PULL.
AND THAT'S, THIS IS WHERE I CAME UP TO MY HAPPY MEDIUM, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, YOU SEE HOW THE FRONT PORCH HAS THREE BAYS.
SO MAKING THOSE THREE BAYS FEEL VERY UNIFORM, A FULL DOOR CENTERED WINDOWS, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE PROTRUDE PROTRUSION OF THE OFFICE ON THAT FIRST FLOOR, WHICH FILLS IN, AND IT ALSO KIND OF FEELS TRIPLE OR THREE-PART.
SO THAT THE FORM ON THE FIRST LEVEL ALMOST FEELS LIKE THREE PORTIONS AS WELL.
UH, FROM MASS VOID VOID, IT FEELS, UM, UH, UNIFORM AS WELL.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I, I WENT BACK AND FORTH MULTIPLE TIMES, AND THIS IS WHERE I FOUND THE HAPPY MEDIUM, IF THAT,
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DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? I THINK SO.YEAH, NO, THAT BOTHERS ME ENOUGH THOUGH, TO, I FEEL LIKE IF IT WAS MOVED, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD ASK THERE, UM, THE PETITIONER OR WHATEVER, UM, TO MAKE ONE BIG DORM OR BECAUSE THAT WOULD REALLY, I'M SURE I'M ONE OF FOUR, SO I CAN APPRECIATE THE EQUIP, YOU KNOW, IT'S MAKING EVERYTHING EQUAL AND ALL THAT.
UM, BUT I DON'T THINK, I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK IF YOU MOVE THE WINDOW, LIKE IF YOU MOVE THE LEFT ONE, IT WOULD JUST THROW THE OTHER PART OFF.
CAUSE YOU HAVE SYMMETRY ON THE TOP OR ACTUALLY, YEAH.
AND THEN I THINK I WOULD RATHER HAVE IT SYMMETRICAL ON TOP AND NOT, I MEAN, NOT NECESSARILY ANYWAY, I'M NOT ABLE TO FULLY ARTICULATE, BUT SO ANY KIND OF MOVEMENT OF THE DORMERS WOULD HAVE TO BE UNIFORM EITHER WAY TO KEEP THEM SYMMETRICAL.
AND THAT WOULD BE MORE APPEALING ON THAT, THE UPPER MASS.
UH, SO WHEN I DO THAT, THEN IT DOESN'T ALLOW THE, THE LOWER PORTION TO BE UNIFORM.
AS IN THE OPEN PORCH, YOU WANT ALL THREE BAYS OF THE OPEN PORCH TO BE EQUAL.
UM, YOU WANT IT THE, THE SOLID OF THE ROOM BESIDE THE PORCH TO FEEL LIKE A THIRD, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THAT WHOLE, UM, PLAY WITH, UM, MAKING SURE EVERYTHING FEELS BROKEN UP EQUALLY.
UM, SO WHEN YOU START MOVING THINGS AROUND AND I, I DID A LOT OF MOVEMENT ON THIS.
UH, SO THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY WHAT FELT, AND I MEAN, EVEN THE DORMER FITS ALMOST IDENT E EXACTLY BETWEEN THE COLUMNS BELOW IT ON THE RIGHT SIDE AND HAVING IT ALIGNED WITH THAT WINDOW.
AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF PULLING ANOTHER VERTICAL LINE DOWN INTO THE, THE LOWER LEVEL FROM ON THE LEFT SIDE WOULD HELP ANYONE.
UM, WHEN YOU ADD, CAN YOU ADD AN EXTRA TWO IT'S WHAT ABOUT TWO FEET OFF? IF YOU ADD TWO FEET TO THE SIDE AND SHIFT, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, THE COST PER SQUARE FOOT RIGHT NOW.
I'M LOOKING AT THE FLOOR PLAN AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE FLOOR PLAN AND IT LOOKS LIKE AS YOU STATED THERE TWO BEDROOMS, BUT THEN THERE'S LIKE A, AN EMPTY ROOM.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT ROOM IS SHOWN AS.
IS IT A BIG CLOSET OR IS IT A PLAYROOM OR THE ROOMS IN BETWEEN THE BEDROOMS UPSTAIRS? IT, NO, IT'S, I DUNNO WHAT THAT IS LABELED AS THE LITTLE INTERIOR.
AND HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE CLOSET FOR THAT CLOSET BEDROOM.
SO THAT'S A CLOSET IN BETWEEN.
SO WHAT WOULD, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE STILL, THERE'S A SHIFT THAT COULD BE MADE AND IT'S REALLY NOT AFFECTING THE SIZE OF THE ROOM, IS IT UNLESS YOU'RE, WELL, THE DORMER, I MEAN, IF IT'S SHIFTED, IT LOOKS, I KNOW THAT YOUR INTERIORLY IT'S IT'S SHIFTED, BUT IF YOU DID SHIFT IT WELL.
AND, AND, AND, AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT.
THE, THE EXACT SQUARE FOOTAGE IS NOT EXACT, SO I FEEL IT'S GOING TO FEEL THE SAME SIZE.
UM, THE USAGE OF THAT SPACE IS GOING, UH, YEAH, YEAH.
AND I'VE DONE THAT MANY TIMES, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE AFFECTING A CLOSET, SO THEREFORE THAT'S NOT THAT CRITICAL.
AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE A HALF A WALL OR SOMETHING.
I'M NOT SURE CLEAR WHAT THAT OTHER BOXES INTO THE FAR LEFT AND FAR, RIGHT.
IT LOOKS, YEAH, THOSE ARE THE ROOTS.
YOUR CEILING SLOPED RIGHT THERE.
FROM EIGHT FOOT TO FIVE FOOT, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S STILL SOME ROOM WITHOUT REALLY AFFECTING YOUR SQUARE FOOTAGE.
IF SOMEBODY LOOKS AT THE FLOOR PLAN, IF SOMEBODY LOOKING AT THE FLOOR PLAN, UPPER FLOOR PLAN WITH ME, MAYBE, UM, I, YOU KNOW, IN OTHER WORDS, WE GOT TO, WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF A CONUNDRUM HERE, AND I'M NOT SURE HOW TO ADDRESS IT OTHER THAN SAYING, WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE THIS.
AND THE PROBLEM IS, IS ONCE YOU SET A PRECEDENT, YOU SET A PRECEDENT AND, UH, WE JUST HAVE TO STATE IN EMOTION MOTION, WHY WE'RE SETTING A PRECEDENT.
UM, IF SOMEBODY IS WILLING TO DO THAT IN SOME FORM, GO AHEAD.
I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO MAKE THE MOTION TO SET THIS PRECEDENT, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S CLEAR RHYTHM
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ESTABLISHED BETWEEN DIFFERENT PIECES OF THE FIRST FLOOR AND THE SECOND FLOOR, UM, SEPARATELY.AND I THINK THEY WORK IN HARMONY.
UH, I'D BE HAPPY TO MAKE THAT.
SO AS WE CONTINUE ON AND WE STILL HAVE SOME, WE STILL HAVE ITEMS TO GO THROUGH.
SO THAT WOULD BE A, WHEN YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE BANKING EMOTION, UH, PLEASE INCLUDE THAT IN YOUR MOTION FOR A NUMBER FOUR THEN.
AND NATHAN THAT'S, I MEAN, EVAN, THAT'S VERY GOOD.
IF YOU WANT TO STEP FORWARD AND MAKE A MOTION ON YOUR FIRST DAY THAT'S.
SO THE NEXT ITEM IS THAT I'M A DETAILED FOR THE SERVICE YARD NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED, UM, THE LOCATION OF THE ISSUE.
AND WE JUST NEED THE HEIGHT AND THE ACTUAL CONFIGURATION OF WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE TO MAKE SURE IT MEETS THE STANDARDS AND THE ORDINANCE, UM, UH, CORNER BOARD DETAIL NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED SHOWING THE DIMENSIONS, A WATER TABLE.
UM, THE WATER TABLE NEEDS TO BE REVISED TO BE A MINIMUM OF FIVE QUARTER STOCK ON BOTH THE SKIRT BOARD AND THAT DRIFT BOARD.
UM, SO IT IS SHOWN ON A COUPLE PLACES.
HERE IS ONE OF THEM WHERE IT'S SHOWING AS A, UM, AS A ONE BY, AT THE SKIRT BOARD.
AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER LOCATION SOMEWHERE ELSE.
IT JUST NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED.
SO IT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED TO BE A FIVE QUARTER STOCK MINIMUM.
IT CAN BE BY QUARTER OR TWO BY, UM, SORRY, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S TYPICALLY A MISS.
SO THAT'S AN EASY, AND YOU'RE IN YOUR CORNERS PLAN IN PLAN, THE CORNER DETAIL IS IN PLAN.
WHAT DID YOU SAY, PLEASE? YOU'RE ASKING FOR A CORNER DETAIL.
UM, DO YOU WANT THAT IN PLAN OR HOW DO YOU WANT YOUR CORNER DETAIL? SO I NEED TO, I NEED TO SEE HOW THE, THE CORNER JOINS ITSELF TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOT, UM, IN PLAN YES.
SEVEN IS THE WATER TABLE, WHICH WE DISCUSSED THE UPDATED.
UM, NUMBER EIGHT IS THE, UM, SOFFIT MATERIAL NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED.
A LOT OF TIMES IT IS SHOWN AS A, UM, A PLYWOOD MATERIAL.
IT JUST NEEDS TO BE NOTED THAT IT'S EITHER A PRESSURE TREATED OR A HARDY MATERIAL UP IN THAT SOFFIT.
UM, AND THEN A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT IS REQUIRED PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
AND A, UM, THERE WAS A NOTE THAT, THAT SAID THAT THERE WAS A POOL AND IT WAS ONLY ON ONE ELEVATION.
AND I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY A SCRIBNER'S ERROR, BUT BECAUSE I HAVE HAD, I COULDN'T FIND A POOL DECK, THERE WAS NO POOL DECK.
SO IT IS JUST, UM, IT, THERE WAS ONE ELEVATION WHERE IT SHOWED THAT IT WAS LEFT OFF FOR CLARITY.
AND I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY LEFT ON FROM AN OLD PLAN, BUT I HAVE TO PUT IT ON THERE BECAUSE, UM, THE MINUTE I DON'T, ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S A POOL WHEN I GO OUT TO INSPECT AND IT'S, UM, THAT'S AN OLD PLAN AIR AND THAT'S OKAY.
SO JUST CROSS THERE WITH RED MARKER FOR ALL I CARE AS LONG AS IT IS, UM, I'LL FIRE, THE DRAFTSMAN, I'LL FIRE THE DRAFTSMAN.
UM, AND THEN THAT WAS THE LAST ONE THAT I HAD THERE.
SO AGAIN, MINISTRATIVE, AND SO IS THE TREE REMOVAL IT NEEDS TO BE, UM, TAKEN THROUGH.
SO EVAN ALSO, YOU NEED TO, UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU MAY BE LOOKING AT MAKING A MOTION, BUT INCLUDE WINDOWS, SEE, UM, IN THE MOTION SO THAT, UH, THAT DISCUSSION IS PUT IN THERE TO PLEASE.
FOR ME TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION, UH, DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, SEAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS? NO.
I'VE TAKEN UP PLENTY OF YOUR TIME.
UH, ANYONE ON THE COMMISSION, JESSE? I SEE YOU'RE MUTED.
UN-MUTED YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING OR? NO? WE'RE GOOD.
UH, EVAN, I JUST HAVE TO SAY, I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST TIMES THAT THE FIRST TIME PERSON IS MAKING A MOTION.
IF I MESS UP, HEY, TRY IT GO BEFORE YOU DO, UH, WITH SOMETIMES AN EASY WAY TO DO IT IS SAY THAT PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ITEM, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
AND THEN IF YOU NEED TO CHANGE ONE OF THE ITEMS, THEN STATE WHAT THAT IS RATHER THAN READING ALL THE ITEMS. IS THAT CORRECT, KATIE? THAT THAT IS A WAY TO GO THROUGH IT.
IF YOU AGREE WITH IT VERBATIM, FEEL FREE TO SAY FOR STAFF, UH, FIVE.
THEN I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SUBMITTED, UM, APPLICATION, UH, PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS
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WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, UH, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, UM, AND STATING THAT WE'RE BREAKING WITH PRECEDENT DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE DORMER ALIGNMENT, UH, IS STILL KEEPING STILL IN KEEPING WITH OVERALL, UM, RHYTHMIC HARMONY ON THE STREET SIDE ELEVATION.UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD A RECOMMENDATION THAT WINDOWS C UH, WOULD BE REVISED TO INCLUDE THE SAME MULLION, UM, DIVISION DESIGN, THE TWO OVER ONE TO MATCH WINDOWS A AND B IS THAT CLEAR HARRY AND PIG? PETTY.
SO THEREFORE I'M LOOKING AT A SECOND TIME.
AND DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS? OKAY, GO AHEAD.
AT, UH, PROCEDURAL DISCUSSION.
SO I AGREE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THOSE WINDOWS SHOULD HAVE TO REMOVE THE THING.
HOW WOULD THAT DO I JUST EITHER GO OR MAKE MY OWN MOTION? UH, YOU COULD, UH, THE MOTION IS ON THE TABLE.
YOU CAN'T MAKE YOUR OWN MOTION IN ORDER TO REVERSE THE MOTION.
SO ONE IDEA IS THAT YOU WOULD JUST, UH, VOTE, UH, UH, NAY ON THIS, UH, FOR THE WHOLE MOTION.
I JUST WAS CURIOUS FOR FUTURE STUFF AS WELL.
IF I MAY MARRY, YOU STATED THAT THE REMOVAL OF THE, UM, OF THE MARTIN, I WOULD JUST ASK EVAN, COULD YOU PLEASE CLARIFY THAT, THAT COMPONENT OF YOUR YES.
SO TO CLARIFY THAT PORTION, THAT, UM, RECOMMENDATION TO THE MOTION I'M RECOMMENDING THAT WE ADD MUNTONS OR MULLIONS INTO WINDOWS C, UM, TO REVISE IT FROM A SINGLE LIGHT WINDOW WITH ALL GLASS AND NO MOUNTAINS TO BE A TWO OVER ONE TO MATCH WINDOWS A AND B AND GARY, IS THAT GOING TO MESS OUR EMOTION UP OR DID YOU HAVE GOOD CLARIFICATION FOR WHAT WAS STATED? OKAY, GO AHEAD, MARY, GO AHEAD.
I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY, BUT, AND I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING AND, AND THE, UM, CODES THAT, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTED IT, BUT SO IN ORDER TO RETRACT THAT WE'D HAVE TO TAKE THIS MOTION OFF THE TABLE AND THEN RESTATE, UH, UH, LET'S SEE, KATIE, WE JUST LEARNED HOW TO, HOW TO DO THIS.
IT'S A, QUITE A PRICE EMOTION WANTED TO BE RE AMENDED.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND IT.
THE WHOLE COMMISSION WOULD VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANTED TO AMEND THE MOTION AND THEN THE AMENDMENT WOULD HAVE TO BE VOTED ON.
AND THEN THE MOTION TO AMEND THE MOTION, WHICH IS NOW AMENDED WOULD HAVE TO BE VOTED ON.
JUST I, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO DETERIORATE FROM DOING THAT IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD.
YEAH, THAT WAS MY MAIN QUESTION IS JUST THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PROCEDURAL.
SO THE PROCEDURE WILL JUST GET KIND OF COMPLEX ONCE EMOTIONS ON THE TABLE AND WAS SECONDED.
SO IT'S KIND OF, SO WE ARE IN A SECOND AND NOW I'M LOOKING FOR A VOTE, UH, FOR THIS, UH, UH, MOTION THEN IT JUST CARRIE, I VOTE.
UM, SO, AND I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU, BARBIE KNOWS TOMORROW.
AND HONESTLY, I AM, I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT GOING THROUGH THE PROPER, UM, PATHWAY I WITH NUMBER ONE, I, I SINCERELY APOLOGIZE.
I WAS, WAS NOT PREPARED FOR NOT, UH, THIS BOARD, NOT HAVING THE ABILITY TO BE SAY THAT THIS ISN'T APPROPRIATE AND LET ANOTHER BOARD HANDLE THAT PORTION.
I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS DOING THIS.
AND KATIE, JUST TO REFRESH ON THAT IS A NUMBER ONE ITEM NEEDS TO BE A TOPLESS BEFORE.
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IT'S NOT COMING UP.SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE, WHAT TIME IS IT? IT'S EIGHT O'CLOCK.
SO WE'RE, UH, WE'RE STILL KIND OF CHUGGING AND PLUGIN AND WE'RE AT ITEM
[IX.4. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by Court Atkins Architects, Inc., on behalf of the owner, Mike Nerhus, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness to allow the construction a new 1.5 story single-family residence of approximately 4,120 SF and a Carriage House structure of approximately 1,188 SF located at 27 Bridge Street, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood Conservation-HD. (COFA-05-18-011989) (Staff - Katie Peterson)]
NUMBER FOUR FOR NEW ITEMS AND KATIE YOU'RE UP.AND I BELIEVE WE NEED TO, UH, BRING BACK IN, UH, SOMEONE FROM THE COURT ATKINS ARCHITECTURAL FIRM.
IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT'S RIGHT, KANSAS IN THE MEETING AND CONNECTING TO AUDIO.
I AM RESTARTING MY POWERPOINT HERE BECAUSE IT HAS DECIDED TO NOT, WE HAVE JAMES JOINING US ENTREPRENEURS DIRE, AND IT LOOKS LIKE KATIE, YOU ARE THE ONE TO TAKE THIS, CORRECT? YES.
AND HOPEFULLY MY POWERPOINT WILL LOAD HERE, BUT THIS IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 27 BRIDGE STREET IS IN THE OLD TOWN, BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT.
IT IS ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
UM, THIS IS THE PROPERTY THAT IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM, UM, I GUESS DIRECTLY ACROSS AND KITTY CORNER.
IT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE PARKING LOT AT TOWN HALL.
WELL, WHERE'S THE STORMS GUYS.
UM, MY COMPUTER SAYS RAIN COMING ALL, NO RATINGS COMING.
SO I THINK WE'VE ACTUALLY ARRIVED HERE AND WE'RE 81 TORNADOES WHERE THAT WAS UNCLEAR.
AND THEN, SO WHILE MY THING IS TRYING TO LOAD HERE, I'M GOING TO SHARE THE STAFF REPORT VERSION OF IT, WHICH HAS THE PACKET.
UM, AND HOPEFULLY MY POWERPOINT HERE WILL DECIDE TO CATCH UP.
UM, SO THIS IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IS A REQUEST THAT COURT ATKINS ON BEHALF OF MIKE NURSE NURSE, MY PRONOUNCING IT CORRECTLY.
WHEN I DON'T GET NERVOUS, I WILL PRONOUNCE THAT WAY FROM NOW ON, UM, TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW ONE HAS STORY, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE OF APPROXIMATELY 4,120 SQUARE FEET AND A CARRIAGE HOUSE STRUCTURE OF APPROXIMATELY 1,188 SQUARE FEET TO BE LOCATED AT 27 BRIDGE STREET.
IT IS HERE IN THE OLD TOWN, BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND IT'S IT'S ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
I APOLOGIZE THAT MY POWERPOINT HAS DECIDED TO GIVE UP ON US.
UM, SO TOWN HALL IS LOCATED UP HERE.
THIS IS PRITCHARD STREET, AND THIS IS WHERE PRITCHARD STREET TURNS INTO THE DIRT ROAD.
THIS IS BRIDGE STREET, THAT LINES ALONG THE FRONT, YOU CAN SEE THE OCRM CRITICAL LINE THAT IS THIS, UM, LINE OF ELLS HERE.
AND THEN THE REDUCTION, WHICH IS SET BACK TO HERE BECAUSE, UM, UM, IT HA IT DOES QUALIFY FOR THE 60, 40% OCRM SETBACK REDUCTION.
THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS FRONTING PRITCHARD STREET WITH THE DRIVEWAY OFF OF BRIDGE STREET HERE, WHICH IS HOW IT GETS THAT BRIDGE STREET ADDRESS.
CAUSE I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED ON THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE ON THE COMMITTEE NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT, UM, EVEN THOUGH IT HAS A BRIDGE STREET ADDRESS, IT'S ACTUALLY THE FRONT ENTRANCE IS PRITCHARD STREET PER IN ITS ALLOWED.
SO IT IS FRONTING PRITCHARD STREET, WHICH IS THE SAME AS THE STRUCTURE THAT IS TO IT'S RIGHT TOWARDS THE RIVER THERE.
AND THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET FROM FRIENDS, PRITCHARD STREET AS WELL.
SO THESE STRUCTURES ARE FRONTING PURCHASE STREET.
THERE DOES NEED TO BE ARTICULATION ON THE BRIDGE STREET SIDE AS IT IS A SECONDARY FRONTAGE.
BUT, UM, THE, THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE IS ON PURCHASE STREET HERE.
THEY'VE ELECTED TO HAVE THE HOUSE FACE THAT DIRECTION, UM, WITH THE WAY THAT THIS LAW IS CONFIGURED, IT MAKES MOST SENSE FOR IT TO FACE PREJUDICE STREET WITH THE DEPTH BEING THIS WAY SO THAT, UM, SO THAT THE REAR SETBACK WOULDN'T COME OFF OF THIS PROPERTY LINE HERE AND HAVE THE BACK FACING ITS NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.
SO THIS IS, I'M SORRY, I'VE SCROLLED FAST BECAUSE I'M ON, I'M ON PDF INSTEAD OF POWERPOINT.
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THIS IS THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN.SO AGAIN, THIS IS THE FRONT HERE AND THEN BRIDGE STREET WOULD RUN ALONG THE BOTTOM OF YOUR PAGE.
SO THIS IS THE CARRIAGE HOUSE STRUCTURE HERE.
UM, THE FIRST FLOOR HAS A FRONT PORCH THAT AGAIN, FACES PURCHASE THREE.
IT DOES HAVE STAIRS THAT GO TOWARDS BRIDGE STREET.
THIS SECTION HERE IS REAR PORCH THAT TALKS ALONG HERE.
SO THERE'S SCREENED PORCH AND THEN OPEN PORCH HERE ON THE SECOND FLOOR, UM, OR THE, THE HALF STORY ABOVE IT IS A SMALLER AREA HERE.
AND THEN IN THE CARRIAGE HOUSE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT IS ALSO A, A, A TWO-STORY STRUCTURE FOR THE ROOF PLAN.
YOU'VE GOT THE PORCH ALONG THE FRONT HERE, HERE'S THE REAR PORCH, THE CARRIAGE HOUSE AND THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE WITH THAT.
UM, THERE'S A BREEZEWAY THAT, THAT CONNECTS THE TWO STRUCTURES.
SO THE FRONT ELEVATION, AND I CONSUME IT A LITTLE BIT FOR YOU HERE BECAUSE I AM STILL WAITING ON POWERPOINT TO DECIDE THEY WANTS TO BE PART OF THE PARTY TONIGHT.
THE FRONT ELEVATION HERE IS FACING PRITCHARD STREET.
SO YOU'VE GOT YOUR DOUBLE ENTRANCE DOORS.
THIS WOULD BE BRIDGE STREET TO THE SIDE HERE.
THAT WAS A LITTLE EXCESSIVE, THE RIGHT ELEVATION.
SO THIS IS THE SIDE THAT YOU WOULD SEE AS YOU WERE STANDING ON BRIDGE STREET OR IN THE PARKING LOT ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, YOU WOULD SEE THE FRONT PORCH HERE ALONG WITH THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
THERE IS A, UM, A SERVICE YARD OR FENCE THAT RUNS ALONG HERE.
THE SERVICE HERE IS LOCATED BEHIND THAT FENCE.
UM, SO IT DOES NOT TAKE UP THIS WHOLE AREA.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT YOUR CARRIAGE HOUSE STRUCTURE HERE, THE REAR ELEVATION.
SO THIS IS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE BACK OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE WITH THE PORCH BEHIND.
UM, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE THAT YOU'RE SEEING BEHIND THAT.
FOR SOME REASON, MY LINEMATE HAS ALSO DECIDED TO TURN OFF, BUT THERE IS A ROOF LINE.
I THINK RAIN IS COMING MEANS THAT MY COMPUTER IS JUST DECIDED THAT'S IT.
AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR LEFT ELEVATION.
SO THIS IS, UM, IF YOU WERE STANDING TOWARDS THE RIVER, LOOKING AT IT FROM THE OTHER DIRECTION.
UM, SO YOU'D SEE THE PARKING LOT BEHIND IT OVER HERE IN TOWN HALL, OFF IN THE DISTANCE WITH ITS DOUBLE ROOF OVER HERE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE SCREENED PORTION OF THAT PORCH THAT I'VE TALKED ABOUT AS WELL AS THE BREEZEWAY CONNECTING TO THE, UM, CARRIAGE HOUSE STRUCTURE HERE.
WE HAVE OUR WINDOWS AND OUR DOORS ALONG WITH THE WINDOW AND DOOR SCHEDULES, THE SECTIONS HERE AS WELL AS SOME DETAILS.
SO YOU'VE GOT YOUR STAIR DETAIL AS WELL AS YOUR CHIMNEY CAP AND THAT SERVICE YARD DETAIL HERE.
AND THEN SHOULD YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT WINDOW FLASHING? WE HAVE ALL OF THE DETAIL ON THAT AS WELL.
AND THE ELECTRIC PLANS, WHICH YOU ALL ARE NOT MAKING A DETERMINATION ON THOSE TONIGHT.
SO THE LANDSCAPE PLANS ARE HERE.
YOU CAN SEE AGAIN, PURCHASE STREET ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN WITH BRIDGE STREET ALONG THE FRONT HERE.
UM, THEY HAVE PROPOSED A POOL AREA WITH A SMALL SPOT AND SOME HARDSCAPING THAT RUNS ALONG HERE.
UM, AND THEY'VE GOT THEIR FOUNDATION PLANTINGS ALONG THE FRONT AND THE SIDE WHERE IT FACES, UM, BRIDGE STREET HERE.
AND THEN THIS IS THEIR CANOPY COVERAGE PLAN, WHICH HERE SHOWS YOUR CALCULATIONS AND THEY'VE GOT THE AREA NOT INCLUDED IN THE ROOFTOPS.
THANK YOU FOR SHOWING THAT CLEARLY FOR US.
I KEEP TRYING, IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.
SO I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE UP AND CONTINUE ON FROM MY PDF VERSION HERE.
HERE'S THE SECTION OF THAT FENCE THAT IS RUNNING ALONG, UM, THE SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT YOUR POOL DECK DETAIL, AS WELL AS THE MIX OF GRAVEL THAT THEY'VE PROPOSED IN, UM, A FEW OF THE SPACES AND THEIR DRIVEWAY.
THEY HAVE PROVIDED US WITH AN ARBORIST REPORT
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AND, UM, THAT WOULD BE THE END OF MY SLIDESHOW PICTURES.THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN CROPPED VERY NICELY, SO YOU CAN SEE THEM ZOOMED IN REALLY CLOSE.
HOWEVER WE ARE GOING TO MAKE, DO WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT TONIGHT.
UM, ALL OF THE SAME IMAGES ARE THERE AND THIS ENTIRE PACKET IS ON THE WEBSITE.
IF YOU NEED TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT IT.
UM, THE HPC HAS THE AUTHORITY THOUGH, TO REVIEW THE CRITERIA WHICH ARE SET FORTH IN SECTION 3 18, 3 OF OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.
WHEN THEY MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
UM, COUNT STAFF HAS FOUND THAT WITH A FEW CONDITIONS, THIS APPLICATION COULD MEET THE ORDINANCE AND, UM, AND, AND BE APPROVED OR APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS.
MR. CHAIRMAN I'LL RUN THROUGH THOSE.
AND IT MAY TAKE ME A MOMENT TO FLIP BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE TWO, SINCE WE ARE USING THE SAME HANDLER FOR BOTH OF THESE ITEMS HERE.
UM, AND YES, AND AGAIN, GOING BACK THEN, IT JUST EASIER TO GO THROUGH EACH ITEM AND THEN KIND OF HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION ON EACH ITEM.
UM, SO UNFORTUNATELY YOUR COMPUTER ISN'T GOING WELL.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE THAT, UH, FIRST ONE, IF YOU COULD BRING UP, UH, THE ELEVATION, I GUESS.
SO THE FIRST ITEM IS THAT, UM, THE STRUCTURE SHOULD BE MOVED TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE LOT TO ALLOW FOR THE 12 INCH SOUTHERN MAGNOLIA NEAR THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE HOUSE TO SURVIVE AND PROTECT THE EXISTING CANOPY COVERAGE.
I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE FIRST THREE BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL LANDSCAPE RELATED REAL QUICK.
BEFORE WE TAKE A LOOK AT THESE.
UM, THE SECOND ONE IS THAT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN WOULD NEED TO BE UPDATED, NEEDS TO BE UPDATED, TO SHOW LARGE CANOPY TREES NO GREATER THAN 50 FEET APART ALONG THE BRIDGE STREET SIDE OF THE LOT.
AND THE THIRD IS THAT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN WILL NEED TO BE UPDATED TO REFLECT THE CANOPY COVERAGE SHOULD ANY TREE FROM THE ARBORIST REPORT CURRENTLY PROPOSED TO BE SAVED, BE REMOVED WITH THAT TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
SO THE LANDSCAPE PLANS HAD COME IN AND THEY'VE SUBMITTED THE ARBORIST REPORT A LITTLE BIT AFTER THAT.
SO THESE DID NOT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE ADDRESSED ON HERE.
UM, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED THROUGH THE PRE-OP AND THE CONCEPTUAL APPLICATION WAS PROTECTING A LARGE TREE THAT SITS BETWEEN THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND THE GARAGE, UM, WHICH IS CURRENTLY BEING SHOWED AS SAVED BECAUSE IT WAS A, UM, IT IS A 36 INCH OAK TREE HERE, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S GOT TREE PROTECTION AROUND IT, ON THEIR SITE PLAN.
UM, HOWEVER, THE ARBORIST REPORT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ARBORIST REPORT HERE CALLS OUT THAT TREE IS ONE WHICH HAS MASSIVE DECAY AND ISN'T ISN'T IN DECLINING HEALTH.
SO IF THEY ARE TO PROPOSE THAT TREE FOR REMOVAL, UM, THEN CHANGE A LITTLE BIT ON HOW THAT'S, HOW THAT'S, I'M A CANOPY COVERAGE FOR CANOPY COVERAGE.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE, SO IT BECOMES KIND OF A DOMINO EFFECT ON IF, IF THAT TREE, WHICH IS COUNTING TOWARDS THIS CANOPY COVERAGE RATE HERE GOES AWAY, THEN THAT CANOPY COVERAGE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE UPDATED.
AND IF THIS TREE IS GOING AWAY, WHICH WE MOVED THE HOUSE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COULD PROTECT THAT TREE, THERE'S A MAGNOLIA, WHICH IS NOTED AS BEING IN GOOD HEALTH.
THAT'S BEING PROPOSED FOR REMOVAL ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, WHICH SITS RIGHT AT THE CORNER HERE AND COULD BE THE HOUSE COULD BE PUSHED BACK A BIT IN ORDER TO PROTECT THAT TREE AND GET CLOSER TO THAT CARRIAGE HOUSE STRUCTURE.
JAMES, DO YOU, UM, IS THAT GOING TO MESS UP THE SETBACKS OR ANYTHING BECAUSE THEN WHAT DOES THAT ALSO DO TO THE SETBACK RULINGS FROM THE FRONT OF THE STREET? UH, I'LL JUST, I THINK WE HAVE ROOM ON, ON THE FRONT AND KIND OF A MINIMUM BASELINE SETBACK, BUT IT IS SOMEWHAT OF A, A ACCORDION.
WE GOT THE ARBORIST REPORT A LITTLE BIT AFTER THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
UH, WE CAN CERTAINLY MOVE THE HOUSE BACK A LITTLE BIT.
I'M JUST NOT SURE WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE IT BACK FAR ENOUGH TO SAVE THAT 12 INCH MAGNOLIA.
UM, BECAUSE IN THE HPRC, UH, WE DETERMINED WE WERE GOING TO MOVE THE DRIVEWAY AND THERE'S AN EXISTING CURB CUT THERE.
AND BASED UPON THE TOWN'S EXTENSIVE STORMWATER PROJECT, THAT'S GOING DOWN BRIDGE STREET.
UM, THERE'S SOME INLETS THAT, UH, THEY'VE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING THERE.
AND SO WE CAN'T MOVE THE DRIVEWAY.
SO WE PROBABLY CAN MOVE THE HOUSE BACK, YOU KNOW, THREE, FOUR OR FIVE FEET, BUT THEN THAT TREE IS GOING TO BE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STAIRS AND THAT SIDEWALK THAT LEAD TO BRIDGE STREET, WHICH WAS SOMETHING THAT THE HPRC LIKED, THE FACT THAT WE WERE CONNECTING TO THE BRUCE STREET SIDEWALK, UM, FROM THE PORCH.
SO I THINK WE PROPOSE THAT WE GO AHEAD AND REMOVE THE 12 INCH MAGNOLIA TOO, JUST BECAUSE NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, IT'S STILL GOING TO BE CLOSE TO THE HOUSE AND WE WILL THEN COME IN CONCERT WITH ITEM NUMBER TWO AND PLANT SOME NEW, UH, HARDWOOD TREES
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ALONG THE STREET.UH, WE WEREN'T SHOWING THEM YET JUST BECAUSE WE'RE STILL WAITING ON A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION AND THE FINAL LANDSCAPE PLAN FROM THE TOWN.
CAUSE THEY'RE ADDING A NEW SIDEWALKS AND STORMWATER AND, UM, THE CLIENTS, UH, NEGOTIATED A COUPLE OF LITTLE EASEMENTS THERE FOR ACCESS.
AND W WE WANT TO MAKE SURE, HEY, THE TOWN'S NOT PLANNING ANYTHING.
UM, BUT WE ALSO DIDN'T WANT TO GO PLANT TREES WITHOUT KNOWING THE TIMING OF WHAT THAT PROJECT IS GOING TO CAUSE WE WOULD HATE TO GO PLANT NEW OAK TREES AND THEN I'M GETTING, UH, DESTROYED DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
UM, SO WE'LL GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
AND MY HOPE WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD REMOVE THE 12 INCH MAGNOLIA.
CAUSE I DON'T THINK NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, IT'S REALLY GOING TO SURVIVE CONSTRUCTION.
AND A LOT OF THE CANOPY IS GOING TO GET CLIPPED.
AND THEN WE WOULD COME ALONG THE BRIDGE STREET SIDE AND PLANT MAYBE THREE NICE OAK TREES AND THEN MAYBE WE'LL PLANT IN MAGNOLIA SOMEWHERE.
NOW, KATIE DOESN'T THAT SIT WITHIN THE TREE REMOVAL, UH, GUIDANCE RATHER THAN US OR HOW, UH, AND THEN ALSO IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOME DYNAMICS GOING ON WITH EASEMENTS AND COUNT CONSTRUCTION AND EASEMENT THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED, UM, OR THAT'S BEEN OBTAINED FOR THE, FOR THE SIDEWALK TO GO IN AS PART OF THAT STREETSCAPE PROJECT.
HOWEVER, THERE STILL DO NEED TO BE STREET TREES THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, EVERY 50 FEET OF DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THE TOWN IS NOT PROPOSING ANY TREES ALONG THIS BECAUSE IT'S, THEY WOULD ALL BE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AND, UM, AND WOULD TAKE UP THAT.
UM, AND THEN MY QUESTION ON THAT IS, ARE THERE ANY POWER LINES ABOVE WHERE THIS REQUIREMENT IS AND IF WE'RE PLANTING TREES IN AN AREA AND I DON'T, I GUESS I SHOULD HAVE LOOKED TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY POWER LINES.
UH, I THINK THEY GO FROM THE CORNER AND CROSS THE STREET, SO THEY AREN'T ALONG OUR SIDE OF THE BRIDGE STREET.
SO I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE REMOVE THE 12 INCH MAGNOLIA AND PLANT TWO TO THREE HARDWOODS ALONG THE STREET, AND IT WILL TACKLE, UM, ITEM NUMBER TWO, AND THEN IT WILL INCREASE THE CANOPY FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE, BUT THE REMOVAL OF THE OTHER TREE.
AND, UH, WE CAN WORK WITH THE LANDSCAPE, UH, ARCHITECT TO PERHAPS PLANT A MAGNOLIA TREE, UH, MAYBE ON THE, THE FRONT LEFT OF THE HOUSE OR SOMETHING TO KIND OF PROVIDE SOME BALANCE AND ADDITIONAL, UM, TREES ALONG.
UM, JESSE, I'M GOING TO REFER YOU SINCE THIS HAS BEEN THE LANDSCAPE, NOT MICHAEL, YOU KNOW, JESSE.
I MEAN, I, I MEAN, WELL, I DUNNO IF I, UH, IT'D BE, YOU'D BE HARD PRESSED EVEN IF THAT, UM, WHAT THEY'RE CALLING NOW, A WILLOW OAK AND THAT ARBORIST REPORT, UM, WENT AWAY.
IF YOU LIKE, YOU KNOW, ACCORDING IN THE BUILDING, IF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT, I STILL THINK YOU'D BE REALLY HARD PRESSED.
UM, THAT TREE REALLY WOULDN'T BE WORTH SAVING WITHOUT SOME, OR, UH, YOU'D BE CLIPPING IT, I WOULD THINK A LOT.
UM, I MEAN, SO THAT ALL SOUNDS, UM, APPROPRIATE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE NEW, WITH THE NEW STREETSCAPE THAT GOES ALONG, UM, BRIDGE STREET, YOU'LL HAVE A NICE, CLEAR AREA TO PLANT, UM, A NICE RHYTHM OF TREES, WHICH I'M SURE THEY'LL DO.
SO IF SOMEBODY IS GOING TO BE MAKING A MOTION, I'M NOT PROPOSING ANY TREES AS PART OF THE SUIT, THE LONG BRIDGE STREET, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SPACE FOR THAT.
UM, THE ART ARCHITECT OR JAMES, THE SAYING, UM, WAS SPEAKING TO, WAS JUST, UH, PLANTING BACK HARDWOODS ALONG BRIDGE STREET.
UM, THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT IN THE, IN THE CURRENT LANDSCAPE PLAN RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF SODDED AREAS BEFORE YOU GET UP TO THE, UM, FOUNDATION PLANTING.
AND THAT WOULD BE A GREAT, UM, AREA FOR, I MEAN, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT MAKES SENSE.
SO IF SOMEONE'S MAKING A MOTION TO KIND OF INCLUDE THIS CONVERSATION, CONVERSATION, CONVERSATION IN THE MOTION, UH, TO INCLUDE THAT VERBIAGE, AND THEN, UH, KATIE, AS YOU SAID, THE STREETSCAPING DOESN'T ALLOW US OR ALLOW THE TOWN TO PLANT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, BUT, UH, SOMETHING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, WHICH THIS IS COULD BE INCORPORATED TO MAKE IT EVEN LOOK LIKE A BETTER STREETSCAPING.
IS THAT, UH, KIND OF JESSE WHAT YOU'RE THINKING OR JAMES? WELL, THERE'S STILL THE, I MEAN, CORRECT ME IF I'M THE 50 FOOT ON CENTER STREET TREE REQUIREMENT.
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IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT JAMES WAS SAYING WOULD MORE OR LESS COVER THAT, UM, REQUIREMENT AND, UM, HELP.UH, I KNOW WE DON'T GET INTO IT, BUT MITIGATE, UM, SOME OF THE TREE REMOVALS BECAUSE WE DO HAVE QUITE A BIT OF FOOTAGE ON BRIDGE STREET.
NOW THAT'S NOT GOING TO INCLUDE PRITCHARD STREET, JUST BRIDGE THROUGH, CORRECT.
THERE ALREADY ARE HARDWOODS THAT ARE EVERY 50 FEET ON PRITCHARD STREET AS SHOWN NOW, IF THAT WERE TO CHANGE, THAT STANDARD DOES APPLY TO PRITCHARD STREET AS WELL.
SO IF, IF THINGS BECOME ADJUSTED ON PRITCHARD STREET, BUT THIS TREE RIGHT HERE HAS BEEN PROPOSED TO BE SAVED.
AND IT IS NOTED AS ONE OF THE FOUR THAT WERE IDENTIFIED THAT, UM, IT IS NUMBER, SORRY, FIVE, WHICH IS IDENTIFIED AS THE SOUTHERN RED OAK THAT HAS NO SIGNIFICANT ISSUE AND WOULD, AND WOULD BE VERY SURVIVABLE.
SO THIS IS ONE OF THOSE, BECAUSE IT IS CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE FRONT THERE IN THIS CASE, WE'LL COUNT IT SINCE IT'S A LARGE ENOUGH TREE.
AND THEN THERE IS A, UM, MAGNOLIA THAT'S LOCATED RIGHT HERE THAT COUNTS TOWARDS THAT CANOPY, UM, OR LARGE STREET TREE REQUIREMENT AS WELL, AND IS COUNTING TOWARDS THE CANOPY AS WELL.
SO WE'LL ADD SOME STREET TREES.
WE'D LIKE TO REQUEST THE REMOVAL OF THE 12 INCH MAGNOLIA, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK GOING TO SURVIVE AND WE'LL CHOP IT ALL UP AND IT'LL ACTUALLY PROBABLY MAKE THE SEVEN, 10 MAGNOLIA IN FRONT OF IT LIVE A LITTLE MORE HEALTHY AND WE'LL, UH, WE'LL GET ALL THAT CLEANED UP AND RESUBMITTED.
SO I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THIS IS FROM THE EDGE OF THE HOUSE HERE TO THE CENTER LINE OF THAT OAK TREE IS MEASURED AT ABOUT SIX FEET AND THE PORCH IS ABOUT SIX FEET IN DEPTH, RIGHT? UH, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT.
I GOT THE DRAWINGS PULLED UP HERE, BUT EVEN IF WE PULL THE BAT RIGHT AT THAT CORNER, WE'RE GOING TO END UP LOPPING OFF.
BY THE TIME THEY DIG THE FOOTINGS FOR THE PORCHES IN THE HOUSE.
AND, UH, I JUST, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO MAKE IT.
I WOULD RATHER PLANT A NEW MAGNOLIA A LITTLE FARTHER OUT ON THE STREET, AWAY FROM IT.
MAKE THE GROWTH REASONABLY WELL.
SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF EMPHASIS PUT ON THIS MAGNOLIA, BUT THERE'S AN 18 INCH LABO THAT ON THIS PARTICULAR LINE THERE, THERE'S A GOOD BIT OF EXISTING HARD WOOD CANOPY BETWEEN THIS IT'S NOTED AS A, UM, AS A SOUTHERN, UH, ON THE ARBORIST REPORT, BUT A TURKEY OF ON THE, UM, ON THE LANDSCAPE GRINDS AND THE TREE AND TOPO, I WOULD CONSIDER SHIFTING THE HOME TO IT, TO SAVE THIS 18 INCH LOBBY.
UM, WHEN YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT HERE, I'M SORRY.
LET ME GO BACK TO, THIS IS THE ONE THAT SHE'S CIRCLING RIGHT NOW.
CAN YOU BRING UP THE GOOGLE STREET VIEW? THIS IS 2019.
SO PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS, THIS IS OLDER THAN TODAY.
UM, IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE THIS TODAY, EXCEPT FOR MAYBE THAT LOTS OF CLOUDS.
SO THAT'S GOING TO BE THE TURKEY OAK THAT'S BEING NOTED TO.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A LOT OF CANOPY THAT'S GOING TO BE REMOVED.
AND IF WE GO DOWN THE STREET JUST A LITTLE BIT, IS THAT TRUE? CAN WE LOOK AT THAT, TURN ME OFF AND LOOK AT, WAS IT IN STRESS IN THAT PICTURE? WELL, YEAH, IT IS NUMBER, NUMBER EIGHT.
NO, THAT'S THE MAGNOLIA IN FRONT, ISN'T IT? SO THE NON IN THE NINE, I BELIEVE IS THE MAGNOLIA AND THE EIGHT OAK HERE.
WHICH IS NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH IS THAT'S THE ONE IS EIGHT HERE, WHICH IS DECLINING.
SO I JUST NOTE THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST TO, IT'S A, IT'S A HUGE TREE THAT'S COMING OUT WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF LARGE CANOPY TREES THAT ARE GOING TO BE REMOVED FROM THIS PROPERTY.
THE MAGNOLIA IS A RELATIVELY YOUNG TREE, NOT PROVIDING A LOT OF CAMPING, BUT I THINK THAT THAT 18 INCH LAMBO COULD POSSIBLY BE SAVED BY MAKING THE SHIFT,
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ASSUMING THAT IT IS IN GOOD HEALTH.SO THAT'S NUMBER EIGHT ON THIS.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE HERE.
THIS ONE HERE THAT GO RIGHT THERE.
AND THAT ONE'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE ARBORIST REPORT, BUT IF THE HOUSE WERE TO SHIP BACK SIX, THAT WOULD POSSIBLY BE, IT IS IN THE SETBACK.
UM, AND IT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE IN THIS AREA HERE, THIS IT'S, THE TREE WON'T MOVE, BUT IF THE HOUSE MOVED, IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE IN THIS SPACE OF THE TREE OF THE HOUSE.
SO JOSH, I ACTUALLY LIKED THAT TREE AND WE COULD SHIFT THE HOUSE SOUTH SOME TO GET A LITTLE FARTHER AWAY.
THE WHOLE CANOPY ACTUALLY FLIES OVER BRIDGE STREET.
AND I HAVE CONCERNS QUITE HONESTLY.
THEY'VE GOT A HUGE STORM WATER PIPE THAT'S GOING UNDERNEATH, UM, THE EXISTING SIDEWALK ALONG THIS ENTIRE PROPERTY DOWN PAST HIS CURB CUT INTO A BIG, I THINK 48 OR 60 INCH INLET.
UM, JUST OUTSIDE HIS PROPERTY.
I'M GUESSING THE MAJORITY OF THAT ROOT STRUCTURE IS ACTUALLY SITTING UNDER THAT SIDEWALK IN BRIDGE STREET.
AND WHEN THEY COME DIGGING UP VERY DEEP TRENCH, ALONG THAT PROPERTY LINE, I'M WORRIED THAT THAT TREE IS GOING TO GET COMPROMISED UNTIL WE'RE IN THIS CONUNDRUM WHERE MY HUNCH IS, MOST OF THE ROOT STRUCTURE IS UNDER THE ROAD AND AROUND CAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE ENTIRE CANOPY GOES.
THAT WHOLE TREE LEANS TOWARDS BRIDGE STREET.
AND, UH, I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S A GREAT TREE.
UM, AND WE'D LOVE TO SAVE IT, BUT I'M WORRIED THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE STUCK WITH A DEAD TREE AFTER THE TOWN'S DONE WITH THEIR STORMWATER PROJECT ALONG BRIDGE STREET.
SO JOSH AND JAMES, A POTENTIAL WAY TO, UM, ADDRESS THAT WOULD BE TO SAY, UM, TO INCLUDE AN EMOTION THAT THE HOUSE BE SHIFTED TO PROTECT THAT TREE SHOULD AN ARBORIST REPORT FIND THAT IT IS, IT IS SOUND.
UM, AND THAT WAY IT I'M SORRY.
I WOULD ASK THIS, THIS WATERSHED MANAGEMENT WOULD, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY TO TAKE THAT TREE AND CONSIDERATION NOW IT KIND OF FALLS BACK ON THE TOWN IN WORKING TOWARDS FINDING A SOLUTION TO MAINTAIN THE STREET.
I CAN DISCUSS IT WITH OUR WATERSHED DEPARTMENT IN SMALL.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN THAT SPECIFIC LOCATION.
I KNOW THAT THERE IS A LARGE, UM, UNDERGROUND RETENTION OUTPUT BOX THING.
I CAN'T COME UP WITH WORDS BECAUSE I'M SORRY I USED THEM ALL TONIGHT, BUT, UM, IN THIS LOCATION RIGHT HERE.
AND SO THAT'S WHY THE DRIVEWAY SHIFTED THIS DIRECTION IN ORDER TO, UM, TO AVOID, AVOID ONE INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUE.
UM, BUT BECAUSE I WAS FOCUSED ON THIS ONE, I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE WHAT IS UNDER THAT LOCATION, BUT WE'VE GOT THAT PIPE RUNS DOWN THAT SIDEWALK ACROSS THE ENTIRE EDGE.
UH, AND SO IT GETS DEEPER AND DEEPER.
AND THEN ONCE IT GETS PAST HIS DRIVEWAY, IT HITS THE HUGE INLET AND DROPS DOWN AND GOES UNDER BRIDGE STREET AND ACROSS THE STREET INTO A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT POND ON THE TOWN PROPERTY BEHIND THE PARKING LOT.
AND THEN THE OUTFLOW OF THAT IS BACK INTO THE, UM, CO.
SO, I MEAN, WHICH IS REALLY GREAT, IT KEEPS DIRECT RUNOFF, UM, RUNNING INTO THE CODE.
UM, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO RECONNECT WITH PAT ROONEY AND JUST TALK ABOUT THAT TREE.
WE HAVE PROBABLY ABOUT A FOOT THAT WE CAN SHIFT THE HOUSE, UM, DOWN THE PAGE THERE AND, YOU KNOW, JUST GET FURTHER.
AND AGAIN, THAT ENTIRE CANOPY STARTS THERE AND GOES OVER BRIDGE STREET.
SO IT WOULD NOT REALLY IMPACT THE, THE DESIGN OF THE HOUSE AT ALL, BUT IT IS A NICE TREE.
AND WE'LL GET THE ARBORIST REPORTS, TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
IF THERE IS ISSUES WITH IT THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'LL SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.
BUT, UM, IF IT IS A HEALTHY TREE, THEN, UH, I'LL CONNECT WITH PAT ROONEY AGAIN AT THE TOWN AND KIND OF MAKE NOTE OF THE CONVERSATION.
MY MAIN CONCERN AS IT RELATES TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS IN ESSENCE, IS TREES AND CANOPY.
THIS PROPERTY DOES HAVE SOME GREAT TREES.
IT HAS BEAUTIFUL SPECIMEN TREES AND THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OF THIS HOME IS FANTASTIC.
HOWEVER, WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING THAT.
WE'RE TAKING OUT A GOOD NUMBER OF SPECIMEN, MAGNOLIAS AND LIVE OATS THAT IT IS GOING TO BE MET WITH A, UM, A DISCERNING EYE ONCE THAT CLEARING TAKES PLACE.
SO I AGREE JOSH, IF THEY WERE HEALTHY AND THEY WEREN'T DYING, WE WOULD SAVE THEM.
AND WE WENT OUT AND I, THAT'S WHY WE
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TOOK WHILE TO GET THE HARVEST REPORT BECAUSE WE WERE GOING TO MAKE AN EFFORT TO SAVE THE 36 AS WELL AS THE, UM, 24 UP IN THE FRONT.BUT, YOU KNOW, EVEN THAT ONE, THE 24 UP ON PURCHASE STREET WHEN AFTER THE HPRC, I WENT OUT AND TOOK A LOOK AT IT.
AND IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S ALL A STAG AT THIS POINT.
SO, UM, BUT IT HAS A LIFE LEAVES ON A COUPLE OF SMALL TWIGS, SO THEY'VE, THEY'VE SURVEYED IT.
UM, BUT UNFORTUNATELY MOST OF THOSE TREES IN THIS AREA ARE, UM, NEARING THE END OF THEIR LIFE.
AND I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO SURVIVE ANY SORT OF CONSTRUCTION.
THE GOOD NEWS IS I THINK WITH THE PLANTING OF SOME NEW HEALTHY TREES.
AND IF YOU ALL RECALL, THEY USED TO BE AN OLD DILAPIDATED HOUSE OUT THERE ON THE OCRM, WHICH IS NOW GONE.
SO I DO THINK THAT THE 24 INCH LAURELS, THERE'S A 42 INCH LAUREL 38 LIVE OAK THAT'S DOWN IN THE OCR MIRROR.
I THINK THOSE WILL CONTINUE TO FLOURISH NOW JUST BECAUSE THAT OLD HOUSE HAS GONE AND THEY'LL KNOW AREN'T IMPACTED BY THAT.
SO JOSH, IF, UM, OR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION, THIS CODE SECTION RIGHT HERE, UM, 5, 3, 3 C IS THE ONE THAT TALKS ABOUT THE EXISTING CANOPY FOR THE SITE.
SO IF YOU WANT TO INCORPORATE, UM, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE OR WITH THE ARBORIST REPORT OR SOME, UM, IF THE ARBORIST REPORT DEEMS THAT APPROPRIATE PER SECTION BY THREE, THREE, THE 12 INCH MAGNOLIA OR THE TURKEY OAK AND, OR THE TURKEY OAK, UM, HOWEVER THAT, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT, BUT THAT SECTION WORKS FOR BOTH OF THOSE.
IF YOU WANT TO INCORPORATE THAT.
UM, THE NEXT ONE IS THAT THE FINISHED FLOOR HEIGHT MUST BE RAISED TO BE NO LESS THAN AT THREE FEET ABOVE AVERAGE.
IT CURRENTLY IS MEASURED AS A LITTLE LESS THAN THAT IT'S SITTING AT, I THINK TWO FEET 10.
SO IT'S JUST A COUPLE INCHES SHY OF MEETING THAT REQUIREMENT, BUT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED TO REFLECT THAT KATIE, UH, WHEN IT SAYS SIDEWALK GRADE, THE SIDEWALK SITTING ACTUALLY AT LIKE 22.
SO IS IT, IS IT THE GREAT AT THE SIDEWALK OR THE GREAT AT THE EDGE OF THE HOUSE IT'S AVERAGE ADJACENT SIDEWALK GRADE.
SO IF YOU WANT TO MARK THAT ON THE PLAN, SO THAT IT'S CLEAR WHERE THAT SIDEWALK GRADE IS, THEN I CAN TAKE IT FROM THERE.
UM, IT'S JUST NOT SHOWN ON THE PLANS AND SINCE I'VE GOT THE MEASUREMENT FROM WHAT IS SHOWN IS GREAT ON THE, UM, PLAN, THAT'S WHERE I HAVE TO TAKE IT FROM RIGHT NOW.
UH, BRING UP
UM, SO ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, THERE'S A VARIETY OF SPOT ELEVATIONS.
UM, I THINK ON THE, OUR ELEVATIONS, IT JUST SAYS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
SO IF YOU ZOOM IN TO THAT SIDEWALK, UH, ON THE TOP THERE, JUST FOR POINT OF REFERENCE FOR EVERYBODY, WE'RE AT 20.6 AND THEN UP AT THE FRONT, I THINK IT GOES UP TO ABOUT 21.
AND OUR HOUSE HAS SAID AT 26 4.
SO IF IT, THAT'S WHY I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR CLARIFICATION, IF IT'S SIDEWALK GRADE, THEN I THINK WE'RE WELL ABOVE THE SIDEWALK MORE THAN THREE FEET, IF IT'S THE ADJACENT GRADE, THEN WE CAN THINK OF THAT.
SO YOUR FINISHED GRADE IS THERE.
UM, I PULLED IT FROM WHERE I COULD ON, ON THESE PLANS.
SO, UM, THAT WILL WORK AS LONG AS YOU JUST NOTE THAT THERE, UM, THE WATER TABLE IS NOTED AS A ONE BY FOUR, THE SKIRT BOARD, I BELIEVE.
UM, SO IT NEEDS TO BE UPGRADED TO A FIVE QUARTER MATERIAL OR A GREATER, UM, AND THEN THE TYPE G WINDOWS ON THE LEFT ELEVATION ARE FOLDING WINDOWS AND MUST BE REVISED TO A PERMITTED WINDOW OPERATION.
UM, THEY'RE ACTUALLY, THEY'RE NOT SHOWN ON THE PLANS BECAUSE IT'S LOCATED BEHIND THE STRUCTURE.
SO, UM, YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY SEE WHERE IT IS, BUT IT'S LOCATED BEHIND HERE, UM, ON THE SIDE THERE.
SO BEHIND THIS CHIMNEY HERE, BUT ON THE FLOOR PLAN, YOU CAN SEE IT.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN FOLDING WINDOWS? I'M SORRY.
IT'S LIKE A ACCORDION WINDOW, LIKE A PHONE, LIKE YOU WOULD SEE ON A FOLDING DOOR.
SO I WOULD ASK THE BOARD TO CONSIDER DEVIATION THERE SINCE YOU DON'T SEE IT FROM THE STREET AND IT'S ON THE SCREEN PORCH.
AND THE THOUGHT IS WHEN THEY'RE ENTERTAINING, THEY CAN OPEN ALL THAT UP KIND OF HOLD COURT AT THE BAR ON THE SCREEN PORCH.
IT'S GOTTEN SCREEN AND SCREEN FROM THE FIRE ON THE NEIGHBOR, FROM THE FIREPLACE.
UM, IF IT'S A WINDOW OR DOOR, THE WINDOW, THE FOLDING WINDOW THAT OPENS UP, IT'S NOTED ON THE, WE HAD THEM ALL ON THE SAME PAGE GUYS IN MY POWERPOINT.
YOU COULD SEE THEM ALL SO THAT I DIDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH SEVEN PAGES.
BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD WOULDN'T CONSIDER, THEN WE WOULD
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GUESS WE CHANGED IT TO TILT UP WINDOW OR PEAR CASEMENTS OR SOMETHING, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY, UH, MAYBE WE HAVE A NICE BAR HAVEN'T WE APPROVED A FOLD-UP WINDOW.SO A TILT WINDOW HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S PERMITTED, BUT WE HAVE NOT APPROVED A FOLDING WHEN, UM, AN ACCORDION OR A, BUT WE HAVE APPROVED THE TYPE THAT LIFTS UP.
UH, YES, A TILT WINDOW IS A PERMITTED WINDOW TYPE, BUT WE HAVE NOT YET APPROVED A SERVICE WINDOW THAT IS, UM, OF THIS FOLDING VARIETY.
UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF EVEN WALK UP WINDOWS THAT HAVE NOT HAD THIS TYPE OF WINDOW PERMANENT WITH THEM.
SO, UM, AND IT'S LIKE THE REST OF THE WINDOWS AND A CASEMENT WINDOW, BUT OTHER THAN HAVING TWO LEAVES, IT FOLDS UP AGAINST THE WALL AND THE BAR AND THE POTENTIAL TO ACCOMPLISH THE SAME GOAL.
I'VE SEEN, UM, A WINDOW THAT ACTUALLY IS QUITE LARGE AND IT'S ON SOME TYPE OF HYDRAULICS AND IT LIFTS UP AND IT'S QUITE ATTRACTIVE.
UM, AND IT WOULD MEET THAT REQUIREMENT OR NO, UM, A HORIZONTAL WINDOW IS ALSO NOT A PERMITTED WINDOW.
SO, UM, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION ABOUT THIS CURRENTLY BECAUSE IT'S THE DIMENSIONS ON IT ARE SHOWING IT AS VERTICAL.
HOWEVER, UM, I NEED TO SEE THE ELEVATION OF WHAT IT IS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BRUCE, BUT, UM, IF IT'S A WINDOW THAT'S NOT A PERMITTED WINDOW TO BE THERE.
SO ON THIS WINDOW, WHEN THE WINDOW'S CLOSED, IT'LL LOOK LIKE FOR FIXED PANELS, VERTICAL WINDOW.
THE OPERATION IS THAT WHEN IT OPENS YOU GET THE FULL BAR WITH WITHOUT WINDOW MULLIONS AND STUFF IN BETWEEN.
SO, UM, AGAIN, I JUST ASKED THE CONSIDERATION, CONSIDERING THAT IT'S ON THE SCREEN PORCH BEHIND THE FIREPLACE AND NOBODY WILL SEE IT UNLESS, UM, YOU COME VISIT FOR A DRINK ON THE PORCH, WHICH I'M SURE MIKE WOULD BE GLAD TO HOST.
SO DOES ANYONE ON THE BOARD HAVE ANY FEELINGS ON THAT? UH, EVAN.
HAVE WE, HAS THERE, IS THERE A PRECEDENT FOR APPROVING DOORS THAT ARE BI-FOLD LIKE THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME THING.
I MEAN, GRANTED IT IS A WINDOW, BUT FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, IT'S THE SAME KIND OF FUNCTION.
NO, THERE HAS BEEN, UM, THERE HAVE NOT BEEN FOLDING DOORS THAT HAVE BEEN PERMITTED.
THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE INSTANCES WHERE A GLIDING FRENCH DOOR THERE'VE BEEN LIKE, WHO I BELIEVE THAT, UM, HAVE ALL OF THE DETAILING OF A FRENCH DOOR, BUT IT ACTUALLY SLIDES BEHIND IT.
IT'S NOT A SLIDING DOOR, BUT A GLIDING DOOR.
AND THERE'S LIKE TWO VERSIONS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
BUT, UM, FOLDING DOORS HAVE NOT YET BEEN APPROVED.
UM, CASEMENT OR FRENCH IS THE ONLY OPERATION THAT HAS, BESIDES THOSE TWO GLIDING FRENCH DOORS, WHICH HAD EXTENSIVE DETAIL SHOWN ON THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY APPEARED TO BE FRENCH DOORS.
WELL, I HAVE A DEVIATION I CAN THINK OF IS WHEN WE, I KNOW ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS, THE BOARD HAS APPROVED, LIKE ROLLED UP GLASS DOORS ON COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.
UM, WE WOULD, WE COULD CONSIDER, UH, LIKE A POCKETED GLIDING WINDOW AS WELL.
IF THAT WOULD BE A PREFERENCE RATHER THAN FOLDING OUT, WE COULD, UM, WE COULD BASICALLY HAVE STACKED WINDOWS THAT POCKET INTO THE WALL AS WELL.
SO THAT, THAT COULD BE AN OPTION.
THERE'S A PREFERENCE, EVEN THOUGH AGAIN, THAT'S A DEVIATION, BUT IF THE LOOK IS SOMETHING THAT IS MORE DESIRABLE, JOSH, I SEE YOU'RE OFF MUTE.
DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD? THERE WAS A HOUSE I WANT TO SAY THAT IT WAS A TABBY ROADS WHERE IT WAS, IT STOPPED FOR HIM, UM, WHERE THERE WAS, IT WAS A SIMILAR INSTANCE WHERE IT A SCREEN PORCH AND IT WAS A SERVING ENTITY OF THE SERVING WINDOW THAT I WANT TO SAY THAT THAT WINDOW DID NOT, WAS NOT APPROVED.
UM, SO JAMES, I SHARE THAT JAMES, JUST TO SAY THAT I DO REMEMBER A WINDOW SUCH AS THIS COMING ACROSS AND NOT BEING APPROVED FOR THE SOLE REASON OF NOT SETTING THAT PRECEDENCE.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT THIS ONE ISN'T, I'M JUST SAYING THAT, THAT THERE IS A HISTORY OF THAT.
SO AGAIN, THAT NOT HAVING A PRECEDENT THAT WE'RE AWARE OF UTILIZING THIS IS WE, WE WATCH A SLIPPERY SLOPE.
UM, SO YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU, YEAH, IT'S PROBABLY BEST TO NOT SET A NEW PRECEDENT.
UH, IF THERE'S ANOTHER ARCHITECTURAL WAY OF ACCOMPLISHING THE SAME TASK, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATIVE.
UM, WE CAN LOOK AT TILT WINDOWS AND AGAIN, I WOULD
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JUST, UM, SHARE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN DEVIATIONS THAT SEEM APPROPRIATE.YOU KNOW, EVERY APPLICATION IS REVIEWED ON ITS OWN MERITS, AND I KNOW THE BOARD HAS BEEN CAUTIOUS TO STATE WHY THE DEVIATION WAS APPROPRIATE HERE VERSUS OTHER TIMES IN THE PAST WHEN THEY'VE APPROVED THOSE THINGS.
SO, UM, BUT I, I DO UNDERSTAND THE, THE PERCEPTION OF A PRECEDENT.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THE REALITY IS EVERY, JUST BECAUSE IT'S APPROVED HERE DOESN'T MEAN COULD BE APPROVED HERE.
DOESN'T MEAN IT'S AUTOMATICALLY APPROVED SOMEWHERE ELSE.
JESSIE, I SEE YOU'RE OFF MUTE.
DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? NO, I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT IT.
I MEAN, IF EVER THERE WAS A CASE I DO, I FEEL STRONGLY, IT'S NOT ON A, ANY ONE OF THE ELEVATIONS.
UM, I MEAN, IT'S ON AN ELEVATION, BUT WITH IT BEING DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE FIRE PLACE, UM, I DON'T HAVE A STRONG OPINION EITHER WAY.
UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, YES, PLEASE.
THAT JOSH GIVEN THAT WE GIVEN THAT WE DO NOT HAVE AN ELEVATION OF THIS, THIS AREA, UM, YOU KNOW, IF I WERE MAKING A MOTION, I WOULD NOT NECESSARILY SHOOT IT DOWN.
HOWEVER, I WOULD ASK FOR, YOU KNOW, AN ELEVATION TO SEE AND VERIFY HETERO ALIGNMENT AND THAT IT DOES IN HIS CLOSE POSITION RESEMBLE IN LIKE KIND AND APPROVED WINDOW.
UM, AND LEAVE THAT FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION WITH, SAY WITH HPRC OR WITH STAFF.
SO, AND, AND THAT YOU MAKE A VERY VALID POINT IS IN A CLOSED POSITION, WHICH WE ARE, UH, MOST CONCERNED ABOUT THAT IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT IT FROM A VISUAL STREET STANDPOINT OR WHEREVER IT'S LOCATED, WE'RE LOOKING AT AS IF WE WERE LOOKING AT STANDARD WINDOWS, UH, JAMES, DO YOU, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE AN ELEVATION BRINGS UP VERY GOOD POINT IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THIS THING REALLY LOOK LIKE WE DON'T KNOW, WELL, THE WINDOW ITSELF IS ON PAGE 86.0, BUT I UNDERSTAND, AND WE CAN CUT A SECTION THROUGH THAT, UM, WHERE THE FIREPLACE AND THE IN SCREEN WOULD BE REMOVED.
SO YOU COULD SEE, GET IN CONTACT AND THAT ALIGNED WITH THE DOOR AND THE EIGHT FOOT HEAD HEIGHT OF THE ADJACENT WINDOWS.
UH, IT'S IN THE UPPER RIGHT THERE.
AND THEN IF WE'RE MISSING THE HORIZONTAL TO ALIGN, UH, IN LOOKING AT IT.
BUT, UM, SO I THINK THAT THERE COULD BE A GOOD CASE MADE, MADE JAMES, YOU KNOW, AS YOU STATED, WHEN IT'S CLOSED, IT LOOKS AS THOUGH IT WERE FOR CASEMENTS, AS LONG AS IT WAS PRESENTED IN ELEVATION WITH PROPER HEADER ALIGNMENT, ET CETERA.
AND, AND MUNSONS WERE ON KEEPING ALL OF THEM.
WE CERTAINLY CAN DRAW THAT WITH BETTER AS YOU'LL SEE IN ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE MORE PARTIAL ELEVATIONS TO DRAW FOR YOU.
SO, UM, CERTAINLY ADD THAT ONE TO THE LEFT.
I'M LOOKING AT THE, UH, WINDOW SCHEDULE.
AND IS THAT THE WINDOW THAT'S ON THE VERY TOP, RIGHT? YEAH, THE PRINTER.
UM, AGAIN, IF A SUMMER WERE TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO INCLUDE VERBIAGE IN THERE THAT, UH, THAT THAT COULD BE BROUGHT BACK KATIE TO HBR HPRC OR TO STAFF LEVEL, WHAT WOULD THE HPRC PROBABLY BE THE WORD? AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IT AT LEAST BE BROUGHT BACK TO HPRC OF NOT THE FULL COMMISSION.
IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE ALLOWED IN THE PAST AND, UM, WITHOUT MORE INFORMATION ON IT, STAFF'S NOT, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE MAKING THAT DETERMINATION THAT YOU'VE MET THAT REQUIREMENT.
AND WE DON'T WANT TO PUT THAT BURDEN ON YOU.
LOOKS LIKE WHERE ARE WE? UM, THE NEXT OPTION, THE NEXT ONE IS NUMBER SEVEN, THAT THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE AND THE PORTION OF THE LEFT ELEVATION IN THE PORCH HAS NOT BEEN PROVIDED, MUST BE PROVIDED FOR REVIEW TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE.
UM, THAT'S THE SECTION THAT IS FROM, IF YOU'RE STANDING ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, LOOKING TOWARDS THE CARRIAGE HOUSE, AND IF YOU'RE STANDING ON THE PORCH LOOKING TOWARDS BRIDGE STREET, THOSE ELEVATIONS WEREN'T PROVIDED IN COMPLETE.
AND THEN A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT IS REQUIRED PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF THE CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS, AND ALL CONDITIONS WILL
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NEED TO BE MET BEFORE THEY CAN PASS THEIR FINAL HISTORIC DISTRICT INSPECTION.UM, ANY DISCUSSIONS FROM ANYONE JOSH, YOU'RE ON MUTE OFF, BUT I GUESS THAT'S HOW I'M KIND OF TELLING IF YOU WANTED TO SPEAK, GO AHEAD.
I'M, I'M RUNNING AWAY TO MUTE.
YOU HELPS ME OUT BY SAYING, HEY, OKAY.
SO YOU WOULDN'T SPEAK, UH, ANY DISCUSSIONS FROM ANYONE ELSE, IF NOT, I GUESS, UH, WITH THE TOPICS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE MOTION, INCLUDING THE TREES AND INCLUDING THE, UH, TYPE G WINDOW, UH, WHO IS SET TO MAKE A MOTION.
UH, JESSE, I'LL GIVE IT AGAIN.
I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK, UM, MY NOTES FAIL ME.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT OBVIOUSLY THAT 18 INCH, I BELIEVE LAUREL OAK.
UM, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S UH, LIVE OAK, UM, TURKEY.
THERE WAS A TREE THAT IS REALLY, UH, HANGING OVER BRIDGE STREET.
I REMEMBER THAT WAS NUMBER EIGHT, NUMBER EIGHT, TURKEY OAK.
WAS IT? I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS ON, UM, IT'S SO CONFUSING BECAUSE CERTAIN SURVEYORS HAVE DIFFERENT, UM, ABBREVIATIONS.
UH, AND THEN DID WE HAVE A SECOND TREE THAT WE, I KNOW WE TALKED A BUNCH ABOUT THE 12 INDUSTRY AND THAT'S IN THIS WELLBEING, MAGNOLIA THAT IS IN, UM, THAT WAS A STAFF COMMENT.
UM, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE DISCUSS ONE MORE TREE OR MY, UM, INCORRECT.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY RAIN AT THEIR HOUSE YET? HMM, NO RAIN, BUT MY COMPUTER STILL SAYS IT'S COMING.
I DON'T HAVE A SOPHISTICATED ENOUGH COMPUTER.
I JUST GETTING MESS ON THAT COMPUTER THAT'S Y'ALL'S COMPUTER.
SO Y'ALL'S YOUR KATIE'S COMPUTER STILL SAYS IT'S ON ITS WAY AGAIN.
WE'RE NOT DOING THIS, THIS STREAMING FROM MY BATHTUB.
IF WE WERE, IF WE WERE IN PERSON, IT WOULD, THERE WOULD BE A TORNADO COMING.
WE WOULD ALL BE TAKING COVER QUESTIONABLE SPACES.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE, UH, THE IN, UM, IN REGARDS TO STAFF COMMENT, NUMBER ONE, UM, UH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD, UM, ALONG WITH THAT TREE AND THE, UM, 18 INCH, UH, LIVE OAK TREE THAT, UM, TO LET'S SEE.
UM, CAN I GOING TO EMOTION? CAN I ASK A QUESTION? UM, PROBABLY NOT.
ARE YOU IN A FORMAL MOTION NOW OR KATIE? IS HE IN A FORMAL MOTION? UH, COULD HE JUST SAY DISREGARD AND START ALL OVER AGAIN? YES.
WELL, OR CAN I ASK, CAN YOU, UM, CAN YOU PLEASE SCROLL TO THE ARBORIST, UM, REPORT WAS THE 12 INCH MAGNOLIA IDENTIFIED AND THAT, UM, IT'S THIS ONE HERE.
UM, SO I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE, UM, I MEAN, TO ME, I DON'T, UM, I DON'T SEE HOW I, I'M SORRY, I'M TALKING OUT LOUD.
I DON'T REALLY SEE HOW TO MOVE.
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MR. CHAIRMAN AND JESSE, IF I MIGHT MAKE.SO I GUESS I'M, I'M SITTING HERE TRYING TO, OKAY.
WHAT THE MOTION, WHAT DO I NEED TO DO IN REGARDS TO THE MOTION AT HAND? DO WE NEED TO JUST SAY, UH, SO THERE'S NO MOTION.
SO IT'S A DISCUSSION ABOUT, AND HE'S ABOUT TO MAKE ONE.
HOWEVER, IF I WERE TO PROVIDE ANY DIRECTION ON HOW HE MAY PHRASE ITEM ONE, IT COULD BE THAT PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION ONE, IF THE ARBORIST OR, OR, UM, IF THIS DOCTOR CAN BE MOVED TO SAVE IT, IF, UM, OR TRY TO SAVE THE TWELVE-INCH MAGNOLIA.
AND IF AN ARBORIST REPORT REFLECTS THAT THE 18 INCH HANGING OVER BRIDGE STREET COULD BE SAVED TO MOVE THE HOUSE TO DO SO.
UM, IT COULD BE DEPENDENT ON THE ARBORIST REPORT FOR THAT, JESSE.
AND THE REMOVAL PERMIT, IF YOU'D LIKE TO PUT IT ON THAT AS WELL.
SO IT CAN BE HANDLED KIND OF IN THAT SAME AREA.
UM, IT WOULDN'T BE CHANGING ANY OF THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OF THE HOUSE.
IT WOULD JUST BE SHIFTING IT FORWARD OR BACKWARD ON THE LOT.
AND THEY HAVE, UM, ABOUT, YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T, YOU SAY YOU HAD A SIX FEET, WAS THAT, SO THERE'S SIX FEET BETWEEN IT WOULD, IT WOULD SHORTEN FOR SURE.
THE, UM, OH, I'M GOING TO LIKE GUYS THE AREA BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE GARAGE, BUT THIS STRUCTURE HERE IS SITTING, IT'S SITTING AT TO THE 10TH FEET, WHICH IS THE MINIMUM FRONT SETBACK, AND IT COULD BE MOVED ALL THE WAY BACK TO 35.
THAT'S GOING TO ADJUST HOW THE POOL DECK IS CONFIGURED.
UM, IF IT WERE TO MOVE BACK THAT FAR AND THIS TREE RIGHT HERE, WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE, SO YOU DON'T WANT TO MOVE IT TOO FAR BACK, BUT THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SPACE BETWEEN, UM, THE CORNER OF THIS HOUSE AND THE CORNER OF THIS STRUCTURE, NOT LIKE 15 FEET, BUT THIS IS SIX FEET FROM HERE TO HERE AND WE CAN'T MOVE IT PAST THE CURB CUT, WHICH WOULD DEFINE, SO WE CAN'T GET IT ALL THE WAY TO THE GARAGE, UM, BECAUSE OH NO, ALL THE WAY TO THE GARAGE, BUT IT COULD MOVE SIX FEET OR SO FROM THERE.
AND I THINK THE DISCUSSION REVOLVED, EVEN WITH SIX FEET, WE WOULDN'T GET IT OUT OF THE PORCH AND WE WOULD LOSE THE STAIRS.
UH, I, WELL, IF I MAY INTERRUPT, I THINK THAT THAT'S PART OF BUILDING AN OLD TOWN.
I MEAN, ON THIS LIE, YOU HAVE TO CONFORM AROUND THESE TREES.
THAT JUST GOES ALONG WITH THE TERRITORY.
SO IF YOU HAVE TO ADJUST ACCORDINGLY THEN AND THERE THERE'S NO.
CAN I JUST ASK THIS QUESTION? UM, THERE'S NO WIGGLE ROOM.
DOESN'T LOOK LIKE TO MOVE, UH, THE, WE'LL SAY PLAN OUR DOWN, UH, PLAN SOUTH.
UH, WE'VE GOT ABOUT A FOOT AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
WE CAN PUT THAT RIGHT ON THE MINIMUM SETBACK WE CAN FLEX THE BUILDING, UH, FORWARD AND BACKWARDS.
I WOULD BE MORE APT TO MOVE THE HOUSE AROUND TO TRY TO SAVE THE 18 INCH LIVE OAK, ASSUMING THAT THE TOWN'S NOT GOING TO KILL IT WITH THE STORMWATER PROJECT, THEN THE 12 INCH MAGNOLIA.
I THINK WE CAN, UM, YOU KNOW, PLANT A COUPLE OF NIGHTS, OAK TREES IN THE, UM, ON THE BRIDGE STREET, UH, FOR STREET TREES AND GET THAT TREE CANOPY OR A COUPLE NEW MAGNOLIAS ALONG THERE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE PREFERENCE WOULD BE.
SO I DO LIKE THAT 18 AND FLY THOUGH.
I'M JUST WORRIED THAT POWERS BEYOND US ARE GOING TO INHIBIT IT TO SURVIVAL, BUT WE CAN TRY JESSE, IS THAT, UH, GOING TO ALLOW YOU TO MAKE A MOTION? WAS THIS DISCUSSION OR DO YOU BELIEVE SO? YES, YES.
UH, JOSH AND, UH, ARE WE ALL GOOD WITH MOVING FORWARD TO MAKE A MOTION OR SHOULD WE HAVE FURTHER? I WOULD ALSO KNOW JESSE THAT, YOU KNOW, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT YEARS PER THE APPLICATIONS MANUAL APPROVAL TOWN OF BLUFFTON TREE REMOVAL, PERMIT, FIRE, PROUD OF ISSUANCE OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, PUTTING VERBIAGE IN THERE, THE NOTING CONSIDERATION OF 70 18 AND LIVE BY ADJUSTING LAYOUT IS IMPORTANT, AT LEAST FOR ME.
AND, BUT THEN I ALSO, YOU KNOW, FALL BACK ON ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, AND I WOULD SAY MARY, TO YOUR POINT, THERE A, THERE'S A HUGE IMPORTANCE OF MAINTAINING OUR CANOPY EXISTING CANOPY WITHIN OLD TOWN.
HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE AN ARBORIST REPORT THAT,
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YOU KNOW, AS A THIRD PARTY DOCUMENT, BY A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL THAT WE DO HAVE TO REVIEW.NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EVER BEEN ASKED TO PROVIDE A SECOND ARBORIST REPORT, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE OPENED THAT CAN OF WORMS, BUT MARY, THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I WOULD THROW OUT THERE FOR POSSIBLE CONSIDERATION.
UH, WHAT DID THE ARBORIST REPORT SAID TO JUST SAY IT WAS DECLINING OR WAS THAT THE MAGNOLIA, THE MAGNOLIA IS NOT DECLINING.
THE 18 INCH LIVE OAK IS NOT MENTIONED.
AND THEN THE NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH IS THE 32 INCH SOUTHERN RED OAK IS LISTED AS THE TURKEY OF BEHIND THE 12 INCH MAGNOLIA.
SO WHAT I MEAN, DO WE HAVE WHAT QUALITIES, WHAT QUALIFIES AS DECLINING? UM, THERE IS A THERE, UM, I'M GONNA USE MY WORDS AGAIN.
THE CERTIFIED ARBORIST RISK ASSESSMENT FORM IS WHAT THEY USE TO MAKE THESE DETERMINATIONS HERE.
AND THIS ARBORIST IT'S REQUIRED FOR TREE REMOVAL FROM IT'S THAT IF THE ARBORIST REPORT COMES IN, IT'S NOT FROM THE SAME PERSON WHO IS DOING THE TREE REMOVAL.
SO IN THIS CASE, UH, MICHAEL, COULDN'T BE THE ONE WITH THE CHAINSAW.
BASICALLY THE GUY WITH THE CHAINSAW, CAN'T BE THE ONE WHO SAYS YOUR TRAINEES TO COME OUT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST THERE.
SO IS IT A THIRD-PARTY ARBORIST? UM, JOSH, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND I KNOW YOU DIDN'T MEAN IT IN THIS, THAT THIS WOULDN'T BE THE SECOND OPINION, BUT, UM, MICHAEL, MICHAEL'S A PROFESSIONAL HE'S WELL-KNOWN AND IT'S MORE THAN DECLINING.
THERE ACTUALLY SEVERAL NOTED TREES THAT HAVE MASSIVE DECAY AND A WEEK LATER, I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT SOMETHING.
THAT'S REMOVING THESE TRAITS BASED ON THAT THEY'RE DECLINING, RIGHT? SO THE 12 INCH MAGNOLIA IS NOT DECLINING.
AND THE 18 INCH HIGH EVOKE LIVE OAK IS ALSO NOT MENTIONED AS DECLINING.
IT'S NOT MENTIONED IS NOT DECLINING THOUGH.
SO THIS ONE'S NOT REFERENCED THIS, ONE'S NOT DECLINING.
THIS ONE'S DYING, THAT ONE'S DYING.
OR IS THAT WHAT THAT SAID? YEAH.
THIS ONE'S DECLINING IN HEALTH IS WHAT THE REPORT SAYS.
WELL, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THE MASSIVE DECAY PART, BUT IT'S NUMBER THREE, NUMBER ONE ON THE ARBORIST REPORTS.
MASSIVE DECAY AND IS DECLINING RIGHT HERE.
AND THAT WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND REQUEST REMOVAL, IS THAT CORRECTLY? THAT'S CORRECT.
IT IS LIKELY I WOULD, I WOULD ASSUME THAT THEY WOULD, THERE'S NOT A TRUE MOBILE PERMIT YET, SO IT, I GUESS THEY COULD DECIDE TO SAVE IT, BUT IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THE BEST CHOICE.
DID YOU SAY FOR THE 36 INCHES? THAT'S YES.
THIS IS THE ONE WITH MASSIVE DECAY.
WELL, SO THOSE ARE TWO AT THE TOP OF THE, WITH THOSE EXES THAT ARE HEALTHY AND NOT MENTIONED.
I MEAN, I'M JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE.
I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT IT, REMOVING THOSE TREES, IF THEY ARE FINE OR NOT MENTIONED, WE DON'T HAVE A REPORT ON 18TH.
SO WE'LL CERTAINLY GET THE ARBORIST TO REVIEW THE 18 AND FLY THOUGH.
SO BASED ON WHAT MARY JUST SAID, MARY'S DETERMINATION ON ONE WOULD BE THAT THE STRUCTURE SHOULD BE MOVED TO PROTECT THE 12 INCH MAGNOLIA AND THE ADEN 18 INCH LIBO SHOULD THE ARBORIST REPORT DEMON OR IT HEALTHY.
I'M SORRY THAT, THAT IS CORRECT.
SORRY, KATIE, IF I WOULD JUST ASK, IF WE COULD, BEFORE WE START TALKING ABOUT HOW PEOPLE ARE GOING TO VOTE, CAN WE GET A MOTION ON THE TABLE? I THINK IT'S PROBABLY JESSIE.
ARE YOU WHERE YOU, OR DOES SOMEBODY ELSE WANT TO MAKE THIS MOTION? IT'S A SOMEWHAT COMPLEX, JOSH, I GUESS I'M JUST LOOKING TO SEE IF ANYONE WANTS TO START WITH EMOTION AND ONCE EMOTION STARTS, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO CONTINUE ON AND NO FURTHER DISCUSSION UNTIL IT GETS INTO THE DISCUSSION, UH, POINT, UH, ON MOTIONS.
JESSIE I'LL TACKLE IT IF YOU, YEAH.
I MEAN, I DON'T GO QUITE, UH, FOR THAT TYPE G WINDOW.
UM, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY BEST IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND TACKLING IT.
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SURE.I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE SUBMITTED APPLICATION PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT ALSO BASED ON THE FOLLOWING NUMBER ONE CONSIDERATION, BE GIVEN TO SAVE THE SOUTHERN MAGNOLIA, THE 12 MINUTES SOUTHERN MAGNOLIA UPON REVIEW OF THE 18 INCH LIVE BOOK ARBORIST REPORT.
IF DEEMED THAT THE 18 INCH LIVE OAK CAN BE SAVED THAT IN PLACEMENT OF THE STRUCTURE TO ACCOMMODATE THE 18 INCH LAVA CONSIDERATION, BE GIVEN TO ALSO SAY THE 12 INCH SOUTHERN MAGNOLIA ITEM NUMBER TWO PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION ITEM NUMBER THREE PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION ITEM NUMBER FOUR, IF INDEED THE 36 INCH IS DEEMED ABOVE SIDEWALK AND THE CURRENT DESIGN MEETS THE REQUIREMENT, THEN APPROVE AS DESIGN ITEM, NUMBER FIVE PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION, ITEM NUMBER SIX, APPROVED, PENDING ADDITIONAL SUBMITTAL OF WINDOW DETAILS AND ELEVATIONS SHOWING MUNTONS AND ALIGNMENT IN KEEPING WITH THIS SURROUNDING FINISHED DURATION TO BE GRANTED APPROVAL BY STAFF OR HP IS SORT OF PRESERVATION REVIEW COMMITTEE ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, AF RECOMMENDATION.
UH, WITH THAT SAID, I'M LOOKING FOR A SECOND ON THE MOTION ON THE TABLE AND I'M SORRY, WHO WAS THAT PLEASE? YES.
YEAH, YOU SOUNDED LIKE A COMPUTER FOR SOME REASON.
SO THEN WE'RE OPEN FOR ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS.
SO NUMBER SIX, YOUR THAT'S GOING TO BE A DEVIATION FROM THE, FROM THE, UM, CODE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING OR IN THE MOTION? IN MY MOTION, I DID STAY TO BE APPROVED PER PENDING THE ADDITIONAL SUBMITTAL OF ELEVATIONS AS WITH ADJACENT WINDOWS AND DOORS, AS WELL AS THE COORDINATION OF THE MOUNTAINS TO, TO, TO BE IN KEEPING WITH THE OTHER WINDOWS AND DOORS.
UM, I DID NOT DENOTE THE REASON WHY IT WOULD BE A DEVIATION OR AN ACCEPTANCE OF AN APPROVED WINDOW THAT IS NOT LISTED AS AN APPROVED WINDOW TYPE, BUT THE GENERAL APPEARANCE OF IT FROM THE EXTERIOR WOULD NOT, UH, DETAIL OR, OR GIVE YOU THE INDICATION THAT IT POSSIBLY IS SOMETHING OTHER THAN A STANDARD WINDOW.
BUT I WOULD ASK KATIE, IS IT IMPORTANT THAT THAT BE INCLUDED IN THAT MOTION? OR CAN I AMEND MY MOTION SO YOU CAN AMEND A MOTION? UM, YOU'D HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION.
SOMEONE ELSE WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND IT AND ADD WHATEVER IT IS THAT BEING AMENDED.
YOU WOULD VOTE ON THAT WHETHER OR NOT TO AMEND THE PRIMARY MOTION AND THEN YOU COULD VOTE ON THE AMENDED PRIMARY MOTION AS IT CURRENTLY SITS.
IT DOES NOT GIVE A REASON AS TO WHY A DEVIATION WOULD BE GRANTED.
UM, AND IT WOULD SET A PRECEDENT THAT IT IS, IS SOMETHING THAT IS BEING PERMITTED.
SO THAT IS A VERY GOOD POINT, MARY.
SO WITH THAT, WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, AS KATIE SAID TO KEEP WITHIN THE ROBERT'S RULES, WE NEED SOMEBODY ELSE TO MAKE A, UM, AN AMENDED MOTION SINCE WE WERE IN DISCUSSION.
AND THEN WE WOULD GO AHEAD AND
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SECOND BACK AND THEN VOTE ON THAT AND THEN HAVE TO COME BACK TO VOTE ON THE COMPLETE MOTION IF I UNDERSTAND.SO THE AMENDED MOTION, THE MOTION TO AMEND COULD BE AS SIMPLE AS I MOVE TO AMEND ITEM SIX TO X, THEN YOU WOULD ALL VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU WERE AMENDING THE MOTION, SO YAY OR NAY TO AMEND, AND THEN YOU WOULD VOTE ON THE AMENDED PRIMARY MOTION.
SHOULD IT HAVE PASSED OR THE ORIGINAL MOTION? SO YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO VOTE ON EITHER THE AMENDED MOTION OR THE ORIGINAL MOTION.
IS THAT CORRECT? IF THE AMENDMENT FAILS, IF THE AMENDMENT FAILS? SO I CAN, IF SOMEONE, IF, IF THE GOAL IS TO AMEND IT, SOMEONE TO SAY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO MEND IT, IF IT'S NOT, THEN YOU CAN, UM, VOTE.
BUT IF THE GOAL IS TO ADMITTED, I CAN WALK YOU THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN I OFFER TO THEM IN THE MOST? THE COMMISSIONER WILL AMEND THE MOTION.
I'D PROPOSE TO AMEND THE MOTION TO INCLUDE, UH, AN ITEM SIX BY THE TYPE G WINDOWS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO APPROVE IT.
GIVEN THE FACT THAT THE WINDOWS ARE NOT VISIBLE, UM, FROM ANY, UH, ANY PROMINENT STREET VIEW ON EITHER BRIDGE STREET OR PRITCHARD STREET AND THAT THE WINDOWS GIVE THE APPEARANCE OF FOUR SEPARATE CASEMENT WINDOWS RATHER, EXCUSE ME, FOUR.
YEAH, FOUR SEPARATE CASEMENT WINDOWS, RATHER THAN ONE LARGE, UM, DOUBLE BI-FOLD WINDOW.
THEN THERE WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE THE MOTION TO AMEND.
SO YOU WOULD NEED A SECOND ON THAT.
SO THEREFORE WHO'S UH, COULD I SECOND THAT SECOND? SO THEN AGAIN, OPEN DISCUSSION.
DON'T WE STILL NEED TO HAVE, GO INTO DISCUSSION.
SO ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDED MOTION, IF NOT, WE NOW NEED TO VOTE ON THE AMENDED MOTION.
YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE ON WHETHER YOU WANT TO AMEND THAT MOTION.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE ON EVANS AMENDMENT FIRST.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE ON EVAN'S AMENDMENT FIRST.
LET'S, UH, WE'RE NOW VOTING FOR, UH, EVAN'S AMENDMENT.
UM, AND I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION ON THAT, CORRECT.
THANK YOU FOR THE WALKTHROUGH.
I KNOW THAT WE, WE GOT TAUGHT BY OUR ATTORNEY, BUT IT'S VERY COMPLEX.
SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR VOTES.
MARY MICHAEL, JOSH, JESSE, EVAN.
SO THE AMENDED MOTION, I RNA ON THE AMENDED PRIMARY MOTION.
SO NOW WE HAVE A VOTE ON THE TABLE AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD.
YOU NEED AN IRONY TO THE AMENDED PRIMARY MOTION.
FIRST, MARY I, MICHAEL MICHAEL CELL PHONES BEEN GETTING HIM TROUBLE.
JOSH, JESSE, EVAN, MICHAEL, I GUESS WHAT YOU CAN NOTE IS MICHAEL'S PHONE DROPPED.
UH, BUT IT STILL LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A QUORUM, THE MOTION PASSES WITHOUT MICHAEL'S VOTE.
SO I GUESS WE JUST NEED TO NOTE THAT YES.
AND WE CAN DO THAT AND HE WILL PROBABLY BE JOINING BACK IN.
I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH AN APPROVAL LETTER FOR THAT TOMORROW WITH THOSE CONDITIONS ATTACHED TO IT.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE COMPLETELY EAGLE LEGAL IN REGARDS TO ROBERT'S RULES.
AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE WALKTHROUGH ON THAT, UH, BECAUSE IT DOES GET SOMEWHAT COMPLEX.
AND JOSH, THANK YOU FOR PROCEEDING IN GETTING THAT ACCOMPLISHED, THAT KIND OF A COMPLEX.
SO IT'S NICE TO SEE THE BOARD STEP FORWARD.
SO JUST FYI, WE VOTED, YOU HAD DROPPED OFF, BUT WE WERE STILL ABLE TO VOTE AND, UH, THE AMENDED MOTION WAS APPROVED.
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THANK YOU.SO NOW IT LOOKS LIKE WE STILL, WELL WE'RE AT NINE 10, SO JUST FYI, WE HAVE THREE MORE ITEMS TO GO THROUGH AND WE HAVE UNTIL NINE 30, UM, OTHERWISE BY NINE 30.
SO I'M JUST STATING THAT BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT GETS EITHER VOTED ON OR PUT INTO ANOTHER MEETING.
AND, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, KATIE YOU'RE DONE FOR THIS TIME, EXCEPT FOR SITTING BACK AND WATCHING.
AND, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE GLEN EUROPE EVEN HAS JOINED THE MEETING.
YEAH, HE'S GETTING THERE CONNECTING TO AUDIO.
AND IF STEPHEN WANTS HE'S IN, COULD INTRODUCE HIMSELF.
[IX.5. Site Feature Permit-HD: A request by Southern Roof and Wood Care Corporation for approval of a Site Feature-HD Permit to allow the installation of a Thermoplastic Polyolefin (“TPO”) roof on a portion of a Contributing Resource known as the “Planters’ Mercantile,” located at 20 Calhoun Street in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood Center-HD (SFHD-02-22-0517). (Staff - Glen Umberger)]
YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING.WE, WE DIDN'T HAVE A MEETING LAST MONTH, SO I GUESS WE'RE MAKING UP FOR IT, BUT THANKS FOR ALL STICKING IN AND GETTING THIS DONE.
STEVEN, ARE YOU THERE AS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, I'M JUST GOING TO KEEP GOING.
AND WHEN HE GETS CONNECTED, HE CAN INTRODUCE HIMSELF FOR SAKE OF TIME.
SO THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A SITE FEATURE, UM, HD PERMIT TO ALLOW THE INSTALLATION OF A TPO ROOF ON PORTION OF THE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE KNOWN AS THE PLANTERS MERCANTILE AT 20 CALVIN STREET.
THE REASON WHY WE'RE BRINGING THIS FOR YOU TONIGHT IS TPO IS NOT AN APPROVED MATERIAL FOR ROOFING UNDER THE UTO.
UM, SO STAFF CANNOT SIGN OFF ON IT.
SO WE'RE BRINGING IT TO THE FULL HPC BOARD TO SIGN OFF ON THAT.
UM, IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE PROPERTY, THIS IS IT.
IT'S IN, UM, RED CENTER D UM, PHOTOGRAPH OF THE BUILDING FROM TWO MONTHS AGO.
UM, SO THE SECTION IN GREEN ARE THE ROOF.
IT'S A FLAT OR NEAR FLAT ROOF OVER THE PORCH.
UM, THE EXISTING SHINGLES ON THE MAIN PART OF THE BUILDING ARE REMAINING.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT SMALL GREEN AREA.
UM, HERE'S A VIEW LOOKING EAST OF THAT, UH, BLACK GRASS, UM, TARP MATERIAL.
THAT'S GOING TO BE REPLACED WITH THE TPO.
UM, AND ANOTHER, ANOTHER VERSION OF THAT.
SO UNDER THE UDL, UM, YOU CAN MAKE, UM, HBO CAN APPROVE A SUBSTITUTE MATERIALS.
UM, AND ALSO UNDER THE AGE UNDER SECTION 2.2 0.6 0.82, UM, YOU CAN DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE USE OF THE TPO MATERIAL ESTIMATED BY THE APPLICANT, UM, IN THE DOCUMENTS, THEY REFERENCED A WHITE MATERIAL.
UM, THE TPOS ALL COMES IN DIFFERENT COLORS.
IF YOU WANT TO RECOMMEND A DIFFERENT COLOR, UM, BLACK IS JUST WHAT'S UP THERE RIGHT NOW.
YOU WILL NOT SEE IT FROM THE STREET.
UH, GLEN AND YEAH, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A HELICOPTER IN ORDER TO ANY SEE ANY OF THIS THOUGH, CORRECT? THAT'S EXACTLY CORRECT.
SO TOWN STAFF IS REQUESTING A DETERMINATION FROM HPC REGARDING THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE USING THE TPO MATERIAL PORCH, UH, WHICH ACCORDING TO THE STAFF REPORT WILL BE, UH, ACCEPTABLE FOR US, UM, AS A SUBSTITUTE MATERIAL.
UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM NOW, EVERYTHING IS PRETTY WELL OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
JUST AGAIN, A QUESTION IS IF THEY SAID THAT THEY WERE USING A WHITE MATERIAL, WHICH IS ACTUALLY SUSTAINABLE, AND THAT'S THE WAY THAT, UH, THE GREEN FOLKS WANT TO DO, BECAUSE IT HAS THE, UM, BETTER RATHER THAN ABSORPTION.
UM, BUT IN REGARDS TO, UH, MATERIAL BEING VISIBLE, THE ONLY WAY IT'S VISIBLE IS IF YOU HAD A HELICOPTER OR A DRONE THAT'S RIGHT.
SO IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, UM, I'M GOING TO PROPOSE THE FOLLOWING EMOTION.
UM, YOU MAY INSERT COLOR INTO THAT WHERE IT SAYS RED, UH, YOU'RE GOING TO PICK BLACK, WHITE.
UM, IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE AND YOU NEED NOT DO THAT.
UM, BUT HERE'S THE, HERE'S THE MOTION FOR YOU.
SO TYPICALLY WE'RE NOT DOING COLOR ON THIS, IT'S SHOWING UP, BUT, UH, IN THE OPINION OF MINE, UH, COLOR, ISN'T A REQUIRED, IN FACT, AS FAR AS BEING SUSTAINABLE, WHITE WOULD BE THE BETTER CHOICE, BUT THEY'RE NOT ANY LIPS, THEY'RE NOT ANY OVERLAP.
THERE'S NOT ANY, UM, CHANCE FOR THIS THING TO BE POPPING OUT.
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RIGHT.SO WITH THAT SAID, I'M LOOKING FOR EMOTION, UH, UNLESS THERE'S FURTHER DISCUSSION.
DO WE HAVE A, DO WE HAVE A STAFF RECOMMENDATION? MR. CHAIR? YES, IT'S RIGHT THERE.
THE MOTION, UH, WE'RE RECOMMENDING A PROMO YOU'RE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.
SO THE ONLY QUESTION I WOULD HAVE YOU JUST ALLUDED TO THIS, MR. CHAIRMAN, IS THERE, IS THERE ANY TRIM, IS THERE ANY DRIP CAP? IS THERE ANY, ANY COMPONENT THAT'S GOING TO FALL DOWN ONTO THE FACIA THAT WOULD BE VISIBLE? NOT THAT WE'VE SEEN.
CAN WE GO BACK TO THE PHOTOGRAPHS, PLEASE? IF WE GO TO THE PORTION THAT'S COMING REPLACED, CURRENT CONDITION, UH, THIS IS ACTUALLY FACING EAST THAT'S CHURCH STREET RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU.
SO BASICALLY THE BEST CHOICE PROBABLY WOULD BE BLACK JUST BECAUSE, UM, IF WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHOOSE COLOR THAT WAY, THERE'S PROBABLY NO CONCERN ABOUT THAT.
AND I, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY OWNERS REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE COLOR.
THIS WILL MAKE THE, THE BUILDING, UM, WATERTIGHT.
THE SECRETARY INTERIOR, I'M HAPPY WITH THEIR GUIDELINES.
I'M CERTAINLY NOT SAYING THAT IT'S NOT THE BEST SUIT OF MATERIAL FOR THIS APPLICATION.
MY, MY ONLY CONCERN IS, IS THE FACIA BOARD AND HOW THE TPO COMES DOWN ONTO THE FACIA BOARD, AS, AS IT'S CURRENTLY SEEN, IF WE GO TO, IS THIS A FORM OF TPO THAT THEY HAVE NOW? I MEAN, IT'S A FLAT ROOF AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SOMETHING SIMILAR.
SO THIS IS JUST REPLACING AN EXISTING, SIMILAR PRODUCT, BUT BY UNDERSTAND THAT'S RIGHT.
BUT IF WE LOOK AT, THERE WE GO.
SO IF WE ZOOM IN THE FACIAL BOARD IS DETERIORATED, THAT'S RIGHT.
IT IS IN NEED OF REPAIR, RIGHT? AND THE, AND THE OWNER HAS PLANS TO DO THAT.
I AM NOT MAKING THE MOTION, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST OR CONSIDER MAKING A MOTION TO GRANT APPROVAL CONTINGENT ON H P R C OR STAFF HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW A CUT SECTION OF THE FACIA AND HOW THAT DRIP DETAIL IS SEEN.
CAUSE IT WILL WRAP DOWN AND WHATEVER COLORATION IS UTILIZED FOR THE ROOF AND WHATEVER TRIM MATERIAL IS UTILIZED FOR THAT DRIFT, IT WILL BE VISIBLE AND IT WILL HAVE A COMMERCIAL AESTHETIC, UM, WHICH IS TRADITIONALLY WHERE YOU SEE THESE CPR ROOFS AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT STRUCTURE, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE FACT THAT THIS SOFFIT OF THIS HISTORIC CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE OVER TOP OF THE BALANCE OF THAT RESIDENCE, NOT INCLUDING THE SCREEN PORCH IS ALSO A NATIVE REPAIR.
SO WHEN THAT HAPPENS, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IN MY OPINION, THAT WE ARE GUIDING THE CARETAKER AND THE STEWARD OF THIS RESONANCE INTO BUILDING A SOFFIT AND A DETAIL THAT IS GOING TO TRANSITION ONTO THE REST OF THIS STRUCTURE IN A, IN A POSITIVE WAY.
THAT'S OUR INTENTION, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE SET IN THE MOTION.
SO WITH ANY, FOR THE DISCUSSION, I'M TRYING TO PUSH US ALONG THIS CAUSE WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME AND I APOLOGIZE, MR. CHAIR, THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL, PLEASE.
UM, CAN WE PLEASE GO BACK TO, TO THE FORMAT THAT WAS PROVIDED TO US? LET'S SEE HERE.
I MOVE TO APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS BESIDES FEATURE PERMIT HD TO ALLOW THE INSTALLATION OF A BLACK TPO ROOF ON A PORTION OF THE PLANTERS MERCANTILE BUILDING UP CALHOUN STREET, CONTINGENT ON STAFF, OR H P R C APPROVAL OF AN OWNER OR SUBMITTER.
COULD ANYONE ELSE HEAR THAT? OR WAS THAT JUST MY COMPUTER? OH, I LOST YOU AFTER, UH, AFTER CONTINGENT.
AND UNFORTUNATELY IT FADED AWAY.
I'M GOING TO PICK BACK UP AT CONTINGENT CONTINGENT
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ON THE APPLICANT, PROVIDING A CUT SECTION, SHOWING THE ACTUAL TPO TRANSITION TO A TERMINATION DRIP ON THE PROPOSED NEW FACIAL BOARD.UH, KATIE AND GLEN, DO YOU HAVE THAT? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OKAY.
SO THEREFORE WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE.
I'M LOOKING FOR A SECOND, PLEASE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.
UH, CARRY I, MARY I. MICHAEL JOSH, JESSE.
AND TO THE NEXT ITEM WOULD BE STEPHEN.
I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU, UM, LATER THIS WEEK.
[IX.6. Designation of Contributing Resource: A request by the Town of Bluffton, for recommendation of approval of a Designation of Contributing Resource application to designate the former Bluffton Health Center, now known as the Jennie Kitty Municipal Building, located at 1261 May River Road, identified by Beaufort County Tax Map No. R610- 039-00A-0004-0000 within the Neighborhood General-HD Zoning District, as a Contributing Resource to the Old Town Bluffton Historic District. (DCR-03-22-016503) (Staff - Glen Umberger)]
IS NUMBER ITEM NUMBER SIX, AND WE HAVE GLEN, ONCE AGAIN, THIS, THIS ITEM IS GOING TO REQUIRE US TO MAKE TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS.UM, MY UNDERSTANDING, SO AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, WE HAVE TO HAVE A FIRST MOTION TO GLEN, HELP ME OUT WITH A TRIAL FOR YOU.
SO WE HAVE TONIGHT AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, THIS IS THE FIRST OF TWO POTENTIAL NEW DESIGNATION OF CONTRIBUTING NEW CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, SO THE APPLICANT IN THIS CASE IS THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON IS REQUESTING THAT THE HPC WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO TOWN COUNCIL TO DESIGNATE THE JENNY KITTY MUNICIPAL BUILDING 1261 MAY RIVER ROAD AS A NEW CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE, THE OLD TOWN BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, SO I OUTLINED IN MY STAFF REPORT, THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDING OR MAY RIVER ROAD.
UM, THIS IS THE CURRENT RESOURCES MAP, NOT SHOWING THE PROPOSED RESOURCE, BUT SHOWING HOW IT IS ADOPTED AS OF DECEMBER, 2021, UM, CURRENT CONDITIONS, UM, OF THE BUILDING.
UM, THE BUILDING IS BEING PROPOSED AS A NEW CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE BECAUSE IT MEETS CRITERIA FOR NOT ONLY ITS ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, BEING THE INTERNATIONAL STYLE, ONE OF TWO EXTANT COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES IN THE CHANNEL, BLUFFTON, UM, IN THIS ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, UH, BUT ALSO FOR ITS ASSOCIATION WITH JENNY KITTY, UM, THE BLUFFTON MIDWIFE WHO LONG-TERM BLUFF, TONY ANS KNOW VERY WELL.
AND FOR NOW WHO THE BUILDING IS NAMED, UM, WAS OFFICIALLY NAMED IN HER HONOR IN SEPTEMBER, 2021.
UM, DURING THE, UM, SECTION 3.2, 5.3 HPC CAN LOOK AT FOR NEW CRITERIA FOR DESIGNATED CONCUR CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE.
UM, IN THIS CASE IT CHECKS TWO BOXES, ONE FOR STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE AND ONE FOR ITS ASSOCIATION WITH AN IMPORTANT PERSON IN BLUFFTON.
UM, AND UNDER, UM, SECTION 2.2 0.6 POINT E FOUR, UM, YOU ARE AUTHORIZED TO REVIEW AND RECOMMEND TO TOWN COUNCIL RESOURCE THAT SHOULD BE DESIGNATED AS CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES TO THE OLD TOWN BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, AS I OUTLINED IN MY STAFF REPORT, BASED ON THAT CRITERIA, IT MEETS THESE CRITERIA IS TO BE, UH, LISTED.
UM, THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I PRESENT A MOTION TO YOU.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE JUST, UH, GOING THROUGH THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS PRESERVED AND SOMEBODY DOESN'T DO ANYTHING LIKE IT'S DECIDED TO PAINT IT WHITE OR DO SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE BY HAVING THIS DESIGNATION.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS A GOOD MOVE FOR US TO PRESERVE SUCH A WONDERFUL BUILDING OF ONCE IT BECOMES DESIGNATED.
IT FALLS UNDER HPC PURVIEW FOR ANY FUTURE ALTERATIONS.
TO ALL MOVING FORWARD TO MOTIONS, YOU'RE GONNA BE MAKING TWO MOTIONS.
THE FIRST MOTION YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE TO APPROVE OR APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THAT YOU RECOMMENDED TOWN COUNCIL TO DESIGNATE THE SECOND MOTION YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE OR NOT MOVE TO, UM, UH, HAVE TOWN COUNCIL AMEND THE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES MAP, WHICH IS THE OFFICIAL LIST OF ALL CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES, THE OLD TOWN BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO WHAT THIS HAS TO DO IS BY US MAKING OUR MOTIONS IN OUR APPROVAL,
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IT THEN GOES TO TOWN COUNCIL, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO THEN AGAIN, APPROVE THIS FOR DESIGNATION BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO, THEY'RE JUST LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE COUNSEL AT RECOMMENDED TOWN COUNCIL.SO THEY'RE LOOKING FOR US FOR GUIDANCE.
IF WE, AS HPC WOULD APPROVE THAT, APPROVE THIS.
SO THEREFORE I GUESS IN THE MOTION, IF IT'S BASICALLY READ AS IS, OR JUST STATED AS A MOTION ONE, UM, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE APPROVAL ON THAT.
AND THEN WE GO DIRECTLY BACK INTO MOTION TWO AND THE SAME THING.
SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME PERSON MAKING THE MOTIONS, BUT WE DO NEED TO HAVE THESE MOTIONS MADE.
SO I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION, UH, FOR MOTION ITEM, NUMBER ONE, MARY I'LL MAKE A MOTION SINCE IT'S LAID OUT SO NICELY.
UM, THEY'RE EQUALLY, UM, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, WHAT'S RECOMMENDED OR TO APPROVE AND RECOMMEND A TOWN COUNCIL THAT THE BLUFFTON HEALTH CENTER BE DESIGNATED IN A NEW CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE TO THE OLD TOWN, BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT PURSUANT TO SECTION 3.2, 5.4 OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT, OREGON.
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE.
IS THAT CORRECT? UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS, IF NOT LOOKING FOR A BOAT, UH, CARRIE I, MICHAEL, EVAN.
JOSH, ARE YOU THERE? JOSH MAY HAVE STEPPED AWAY.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A, A QUORUM AND WE HAVE A VOTE AND JESSIE, UNFORTUNATELY JUST STEPPED AWAY.
HER, HIS COMPUTER WAS HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF A PROBLEM, SO THERE MAY BE SOMETHING THERE.
SO I THINK A BLEND, WE HAVE ENOUGH.
I'M LOOKING FOR, UH, WE HAVE, SO WE HAVE UNANIMOUS, CORRECT? YES.
UM, NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, MOTION NUMBER TWO OF THE SAME PRODUCT, THE SAME LOCATION, THE SAME, UH, ADDRESS.
YEAH, I, I MOVED TO APPROVE RECOMMENDATION THAT TOWN COUNCIL AMENDED ADOPT THE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES MAP PURSUANT TO SECTION 3.2 25.4 OF THE STUDIO.
UM, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE, SO I'M LOOKING FOR A SECOND, UH, FURTHER DISCUSSION.
DO WE NEED TO JUST QUESTION, DO WE NEED TO STATE THE ADDRESS OR IS THIS A PRO APPROPRIATE? DO WE HAVE TO HAVE ACTUALLY SUFFICES THE SUFFICES? OKAY.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT SUFFICES.
UH, SO WITH NO FURTHER, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, I'M LOOKING FOR A BOAT.
CARRY MARY MICHAEL, JOSH, JESSE, EVAN UNANIMOUS VOTES.
SO IT MOVES ON TO A TOWN COUNCIL.
WHEN I BELIEVE THAT'S COMPLETED FOR NOW, WE HAVE OUR LAST
[IX.7. Designation of Contributing Resource: A request by Rusty Pistachio and Debbie Wunder for recommendation of approval of a Designation of Contributing Resource application to designate the former Bluffton Post Office, located at 41 Bridge Street, identified by Beaufort County Tax Map No. R610-039-00A-0333-0000 within the Neighborhood Conservation-HD Zoning District, as a Contributing Resource to the Old Town Bluffton Historic District. (DCR-03- 22-016504) (Staff - Glen Umberger)]
ITEM FOR THE EVENING.WHAT DID YOU SAY, KATIE? OKAY.
I HATE TO CUT THINGS SHORT, BUT THAT'S KIND OF RAN INTO SOME WHAT'S THE, LET'S GET THIS DONE.
DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANTS? ARE THEY ON HELLO, APPLICANT? HELLO? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.
SO, UH, YOU'RE THE LAST ITEM AND YOU CUT REAL CUTTING IT.
I'M GOING TO HAVE TO ACCUSE MYSELF.
WE STILL HAVE A, WE STILL HAVE A QUORUM.
UH, AND, UH, THAT'S THAT'S GOOD.
SO DO WE STILL HAVE A QUORUM? WE STILL HAVE A QUORUM AND WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE THAT RECUSE THEMSELVES.
AND JOSH, YOU SEE, YOU PUT YOURSELF ON
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MUTE AND YOUR VIDEO IS OFF.SO THAT'S GOOD SO WITH THE REMAINING MEMBERS, WE STILL HAVE A QUORUM TO GO AHEAD AND PROCEED FORWARD.
UM, THIS IS THE SAME THING AT NEW POTENTIAL, UH, CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES AS NUMBER 41 BRIDGE STREET, UM, WHICH IS THE FORMER POST OFFICE BUILDING, UM, DOWN THE HALL.
UM, AGAIN, ZONING MAP USING THE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES MAP BEFORE.
UM, THIS IS THE STRUCTURE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, 1964 TO 1965, THE DESIGN WAS ACTUALLY A STANDARD DESIGN BY THE UNITED STATES POSTAL DEPARTMENT.
UM, HERE'S A IMAGE FROM THE BUILDING DESIGN CATALOG FROM 1959, AS I REFERENCED TO MY STAFF REPORT.
LET'S SEE IF I CAN FIND OUT WHY, WHAT DID, WHAT DID YOU SAY, KATIE? I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR THAT.
SO WE COULDN'T SEE HIS SHARE, BUT HE HE'S GOT IT UP NOW.
UM, SO JUST FYI, THIS IS THE PROPERTY THAT WE APPROVED WAS IT LASTS 32 MONTHS AGO FOR A RENOVATION.
UM, AND WE WENT AHEAD AND APPROVED THAT FOR, UM, RENOVATION AND THERE'S STAYING WITHIN THE HPC FOR THAT.
SO, UH, I BELIEVE, UH, THE BUILDING WILL BE A WONDERFUL CONTRIBUTION TO OUR COMMUNITY, RIGHT.
SO FOR SOME REASON I CAN'T SHARE MY SCREEN NOW, SO WE'RE GOING TO DO THE EXACT SAME THING WE DO.
IS THERE ANY WAY THAT YOU HAVE THIS MATERIAL AND COULD YOU SHARE YOUR SCREEN OR DO YOU, OR, UH, I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE STAFF REPORT.
SO YOU'VE SEEN EVERYTHING ALREADY.
AND GLEN, UH, DO WE NEED TO SEE THIS MATERIAL? UH, KATIE, DO YOU NEED TO BRING IT UP? UM, OR WHERE ARE WE AT WITH THIS? WOULD IT BE BEST TO, BUT GLEN CAN KEEP GOING WITH HIS PRESENTATION WHILE I SEE IF I CAN GET IT PULLED UP FOR HIM.
REALLY, IT'S THE CRITERIA WHERE WE'RE USING HERE IS, UM, THE STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS THE INTERNATIONAL STYLE.
THIS WAS THE SECOND COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE BUILT IN BLUFFTON IN THAT STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE.
UM, IT'S ALSO A RED BRICK BUILDING, UH, OVER A CONCRETE BLOCK CORE, WHICH IS NOT TYPICAL OF LOW COUNTRY ARCHITECTURE.
UM, SO IT TICKS THE BOXES FOR OUR ARCHITECTURAL STYLE.
IT'S ALSO THE FIRST PURPOSE BUILT POST OFFICE FOR THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON, UM, IN 1965, UM, EVERYTHING ELSE, ALL THE ATTACHMENTS THAT EVERYTHING IS ALREADY IN THE THEFT REPORT.
UM, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE WHY MY COMPUTER IS NOT BEHAVING ITSELF TONIGHT.
UM, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE BEFORE WE GET INTO THE, JUST A FYI FOR MEMORY PURPOSES.
WE DID APPROVE THIS, UH, LIKE I SAID, I THINK TWO MONTHS AGO.
SO I THINK WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD MEMORY OF THE, UH, UH, ADDRESS.
UH, THERE WE GO, KATIE, THANK YOU.
IS THAT YOU, UM, ALL THESE IMAGES ARE ACTUALLY FROM THE STAFF REPORT.
UM, AND SO THEREFORE ON THIS, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR TWO DIFFERENT MOTIONS JUST LIKE BEFORE.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO BRING UP THE MOTIONS FROM THE PREVIOUS PROG PROJECT OR KATIE? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THOSE TWO MOTIONS, BUT THEN CHANGING THE ADDRESS AND CHANGING THE PROPERTY, UH, NUMBERS.
YOU CAN JUST USE THE SAME MOTIONS.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO ADDRESS THE PROPERTY.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED SPECIFICALLY.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD JUST BE GOOD IF WE MENTIONED THE LOCATION.
SO IF SOMEONE IS, UH, THERE'S ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE, AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE HELPFUL IN CONTRIBUTING IT SO THEY DON'T END UP PAINTING IT WHITE OR SOMETHING.
UH, AND SOME PR SOME NEXT OWNER DECIDES TO DO SOMETHING IT'S GOING TO MAINTAIN ITS A CHARACTER THAT, UH, I THINK THEY DID A WONDERFUL JOB ON, UH, PRESERVING IN THE HPC THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US TWO MONTHS AGO.
UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, IF SOMEBODY IS WILLING TO MAKE THE MOTION, I GUESS I WOULD JUST PREFER A MENTION OF THE PROPERTY IN SOME MANNER IN THE NAME OF THE PROPERTY IS OR ADDRESSES, UH, 41 BRIDGE STREET.
UH, WHO'S WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE FIRST MOTION.
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ABILITY TO THEATER THEATER.UM, I MOVED TO APPROVE PER THE TOWN'S RECOMMENDATION TO TOWN COUNCIL THAT THE BLUFFED OR EXCUSE ME, WHAT ARE WE CALLING THAT? UM, 41 41 BRIDGE STREET BEAT DESIGNATED A NEW CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE TO THE OLD TOWN, BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT PURSUANT TO SECTION 3.2 5.4 OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? IF NOT, I'M LOOKING FOR A VOTE, CARRIE MICHAEL JESSE.
SO NOW I AM ALSO LOOKING FOR A MOTION NUMBER TWO.
AND AGAIN, I WOULD APPRECIATE IF THE ADDRESS WAS JUST MENTIONED, UH, WHO WANTS TO MAKE THE EMOTION NUMBER TWO? UM, MAKE IT, UM, JESSIE, I MOVED TO APPROVE, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION THAT TOWN COUNCIL AMENDED AND ADOPTS THE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES MAP PURSUANT TO SECTION THREE POINTS, 25.4 OF THE UTO 4 41 BRIDGE STREET.
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS? NO FURTHER DISCUSSIONS FOR A, FOR A VOTE.
AND IT MAKES A UNANIMOUS VOTE.
SO THEREFORE THAT PASSES AND IN THE FUTURE, NO, ONE'S GOING TO BE PAINTING THAT BUILDING OR DESTROYING IT ONCE.
UH, WE'RE LONG AND GONE IN THE BUILDING, STILL SITTING THERE AND 50 YEARS AND IT'S GOING TO STAY IN TECH.
I THINK THAT'S WONDERFUL FOR THE COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER.
UH, AND UH, NOW I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO BE MADE TO ADJOURN AND I THINK WE COULD HAVE, UH, JOSH COME BACK AND EVAN COME BACK.
IF YOU ARE STILL THERE AND IT LOOKS LIKE JOSH HAD DECIDED TO HAVE LUNCH OR LATE DINNER.
WELL, I THINK THAT'S A GRAND IDEA.
SO NOW I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO, UH, UH, CLOSE THE MEETING AND ALSO THANKS RUSTY FOR THAT DOG.
I LIKED THE PICTURE OF THE DOG.
I THINK IT WAS A LONG MEETING.
MY DAD JUST WENT BANANAS ABOUT THAT.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE MEETING OR DURING THE MEETING, DURING THE MEETING, I'M LOOKING FOR A SECOND.
JOSH SECOND, UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION I'M LOOKING FOR A VOTE ON THAT, BRUCE.
I GET THE, I, JOSH LOOKS LIKE WE'RE UNANIMOUS IN THAT VOTE TOO.
SO YOU ALL, I THINK WE, UH, WE HAD A LONG MEETING TONIGHT, TONIGHT.
WE HAD SOME VERY GOOD DISCUSSIONS.
UH, I THINK THE, UH, COMMISSION IS WORKING GREAT.
THEY BRING IN SOME EXCELLENT POINTS AND I JUST, UH, I'M PROUD TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS GROUP.
AND THANK YOU, DEBBIE AND RUSTY FOR ALL THE ENERGY YOU'RE PUTTING INTO SAVING THESE HISTORIC STRUCTURES ON THE PROMINENT CORNER THERE.