Apr 04, 2022 Planning Commission

I'M GOING TO CALL

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I PLAYED TWO AGENTS.

IT'S BRILLIANT NOTIFICATIONS CONSENT FOR SURE.

OKAY.

UH,

[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES – January 3, 2022 ]

HOLY MOLY.

UH, ARE THERE ANY, UH, MODIFICATIONS, ADDITIONS, FACTIONS.

OKAY.

IF NOT, DO I HEAR A MOTION TO APPROVE? UM, MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE.

OKAY.

I HAVE SECOND.

I RIGHT HEARING NO OBJECTIONS WITH NO OBJECTIONS.

I I'LL APPROVE THE MINUTES AND GO FORWARD.

THANK YOU.

UH, ANYTHING REGARDING THE AGENDA ANYBODY WANT TO ADD OR MODIFY THE AGENDA? WHY? NO.

OKAY.

AND WE'LL GO FORWARD.

THIS IS THE TIME OF THE MEETING.

WHEN WE OFFER

[6. CITIZEN COMMENTS – NON‐AGENDA ITEMS (Comments are limited to 3 minutes.)]

WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP THROUGH THIS YOURSELF? GOOD AFTERNOON.

CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE PLANET.

I'D LIKE TO TAKE A MINUTE TO INTRODUCE MYSELF.

I AM CHRIS PATEL.

I HAVE LIVED IN THE SHELDON TOWNSHIP IN NORTHERN BUFORD COUNTY.

THIS IS WHAT I BELIEVE.

I BELIEVE IN DEMOCRACY SPELLED WITH A CAPITAL D.

THIS MAKES ME SOUND OLD OR HOKEY AND OLD FASHIONED.

SO BE IT.

I JUST HAPPENED TO BELIEVE IN THAT KIND OF STUFF.

INDEED.

MY WHOLE PROFESSIONAL LIFE EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN SURROUNDED IN THIS FOR, FROM 1970 UNTIL TODAY.

SO I'M 52 YEARS.

SOMEONE ONCE SAID THAT IN DEMOCRACY, WE TEND TO GET THE KIND OF GOVERNMENT WE DESERVE.

AND FOR LUCKY, A LITTLE BIT BETTER, THEREFORE, WE CAN'T BLAME WHAT HAPPENS TO US ON THEM BECAUSE WE ARE THEM.

THIS IS PRECISELY WHY I'M HERE TODAY.

JUST IF I DON'T STAND UP THE CHALLENGE, A PERCEIVED INJUSTICE, THEN WHO WILL IT TOOK APPROXIMATELY 11 MONTHS TO GET HERE TONIGHT.

JUST THE SHEER EFFORT TO GET TO THE, TO THE COUNTY, UH, IS DAUNTING AT THE SAME AT THE SAY THE LEAST THE VAST MAJORITY OF CITIZENS WOULD JUST GIVE UP.

WE'RE NOT EVEN TRYING.

HOWEVER, PERSISTENCE IS BAKED INTO MY VERY BEING AS A PERSON I HAPPEN TO HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THIS WAY.

I AM NOT EASILY DETERRED.

HOWEVER, I WILL WIN TODAY, NO MATTER WHAT, I'LL GET AN ANSWER BECAUSE YES, AS AN ANSWER, NO IS NOT.

IT IS AN ANSWER, BUT SILENCE IS NOT AN ANSWER.

AND THAT IS WHAT I'VE BEEN GETTING SO FAR.

IT'S SILENCE.

THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

COMING FROM THE BUFORD COUNTY GOVERNMENT.

THIS HAS NEVER, NEVER HAPPENED IN BUFORD COUNTY GOVERNMENTS TODAY.

IT NEEDS TO STOP.

OR THERE ARE SEVERAL ZONING LAWS COME INTO PLAY THAT HAVE BEEN BEARING ON THIS BEFORE TODAY.

THE FIRST ARE AIMED AT PROVIDING ESSENTIAL SERVICE TO THE APPLICANT.

I AM THE APPLICANT IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, SECTION 7, 4 80, DEALING WITH THE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND 7, 4 90 DEALING WITH THE DUTIES RESPONSIBILITIES OF COUNTY COUNCIL.

TWO WORDS ARE PARTICULARLY RELEVANT.

THOSE WORDS ARE SHOUT AND PROMPTLY WORDS SHALL IS MANDATORY.

IT SHALL BE DONE BY THE GOVERNMENT.

LIKEWISE, THE WORD PROPERLY IS USED TO CONVEY ACTION THAT HAS TO BE DONE AS FAST AS POSSIBLE IN BOTH SECTIONS.

IT'S EXPLICITLY STATES THAT THE ACTIONS OF THE GOVERNMENT IS TO BE PERFORMED AND CONSIDERATION AT THE INTEREST OF THE APPLICANT.

I AM THE APPLICANT AND IN BOTH SECTIONS OF THE LAW, THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT FAILED AND THE DUTIES OF THE APP TO THE APPLICANT.

AGAIN, SILENCE IS NOT AN ANSWER.

AND THAT IS WHAT I'VE BEEN PROCEEDING.

THE LAST ZONING LAW IS RELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION RELATED TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE UNEMPLOYMENT UNDERLYING VALIDITY OF THE GOVERNMENT IN SECTION 7, 3 20 B SEVEN.

THE LAW REQUIRES THAT THE COUNTY COUNCIL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING.

THIS

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THAT RELATES TO MY REQUEST TO THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT REGARDING THE BENDON PLANTATION IS NULL AND VOID BECAUSE OF THIS DEFECT.

THIS IS HIGHLY IMPORTANT IN THE MATTER OF THE FUTURE DENT IN PLANTATION PROPERTY, THIS DEFECT IN AND OF ITSELF IS DEVASTATING.

THE BUFORD COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION, BECAUSE BY DENYING THE RIGHT OF THE APPLICANT TO THE COUNTY COUNCIL, I MADE, I MAKE THE ROLE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION SUSPECT.

IN OTHER WORDS, WELL, WHY EVEN HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION, IF YOU WILL IGNORE THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY HAVE MADE, YOU MADE A RECOMMENDATION ON MY BEHALF TO THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT AND IT NEVER WAS HEARD BY THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT IN THE PAST, THE COUNTY COUNCIL WORKED WITH THE COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION TO REVIEW AND ADOPT A NEW ZONING ORDINANCE IN DECEMBER OF 2014, THREE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THREE MEMBERS OF THE COUNTY COUNCIL MET FOR MONTHS TO REVIEW THE DOCUMENT.

WE WON A NATIONAL AWARD FOR URBAN PLANNING FOR THIS DOCUMENT FAST FORWARD, APPROXIMATELY 11 MONTHS.

UM, THE SHEER THINGS HAVE SEEMED TO CHANGE DRAMATICALLY.

ONCE I PERCEIVE THAT THE COUNTY COUNCIL THROUGH THE NATURAL RESOURCES WAS SLOW AND MAKING WALKING SLOW, WALKING THE BEND TO PLANTATION.

I WROTE TWO LETTERS TO THE MEMBERS OF THE COUNTY COUNCIL.

EACH I IMPLORE THE COUNTY COUNCIL TO FOLLOW THE LAW.

WHEN THE COUNTY COUNCIL FINALLY DID MEET TO CONSIDER BENTON PLANTATION, THEY DID SO IN EXECUTIVE SESSION OF THE NATURAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE, THE APPLICANT WAS NOT INVITED.

I WAS THE APPLICANT.

I WAS NOT INVITED LATER THAT NIGHT.

A MEMBER OF THE COUNTY COUNCIL CALLED ME AND TOLD ME THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION CENTER PROMISED IN THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT WILL NOT HAPPEN.

THIS IS IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT IN 2014, THE COUNTY COUNCIL SAID, AND A CONSERVATION IS AN ABANDONED PLANTATION, THAT THERE WAS A PLAN TO BUILD AN ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION CENTER AND PLEDGED $2.5 MILLION FROM THE RURAL AND CRITICAL LANDS PROGRAM TO BUILD A THING, CLINIC ADMISSION, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION SEEMS TO THINK THAT THAT WAS WHAT WAS REQUIRED AND A SUSTAINED MY RECOMMENDATION TO PLANNING TO THE NATURAL, TO THE, TO THE COUNTY COUNCIL.

NOW WE HAVE ENTERED A NEW CHAPTER IN BUFORD COUNTY HISTORY WHERE SAYING TO THE CITIZENS DO, AS WE SAY, NOT AS WE DO THIS, NEVER WORKS.

IF, FOR INSTANCE, HOW CAN WE EXPECT TO SAY SPECIMEN TREES, FOR INSTANCE, HOW CAN WE HAVE A RIVER BUFFER SETBACK FOR INSTANCE, OR REQUIRED NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES AND A SHOPPING CENTER.

FOR INSTANCE, THE DANGER WE FIND OURSELVES IN IS FRIGHTENING.

WHY SHOULD, UH, WHY SHOULD ANYBODY GO BAY FOR COUNTY COUNCIL WHEN IT DOES NOT FOLLOW ITS OWN LAWS AS IT PERTAINS TO, I'LL GIVE YOU ANOTHER MINUTE LATITUDE HERE.

MY REQUEST OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TONIGHT IS SIMPLY THIS RESEND YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNTY COUNCIL.

YOU SAY ME $150.

YOU SAY THE COUNTY COUNCIL MONEY TO DEFEND ITSELF.

REASCEND THE RECOMMENDATION PERIOD.

END OF SENTENCE.

YOU CAN DO THAT.

UNDER SECTION 6, 29, 3 40 B OF THE STATE PLANNING, ENABLING LEGISLATION, THE POWERS, DUTIES, AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR ENUMERATED IN LAW.

THE COUNTY COUNCIL CAN ONLY NOT REAPPOINT YOU, BUT THEY CANNOT FIRE YOU.

SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU IS THIS RESEND MY RECOMMENDATION, YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE NATURAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE AND SET THE PROCESS RIGHT, DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO OTHERWISE.

WHY WOULD ANYBODY AGREE TO FOLLOW THE LAW WHEN WE DON'T FOLLOW THE WALL FOR OURSELVES? WHAT IS IT RELATES TO US? I HAVE REQUESTED THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT TO BUILD AN ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION CENTER.

THAT IS WHAT THEY SAID IN THE, IN THE, UH, CONSERVATION EASEMENT.

AND WE PAID $2.5 MILLION.

I HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME.

OKAY.

SOME PEOPLE MIGHT SAY MY, MY TAX DOLLARS, ONLY $35 TO RE RE THE FEES, THE BONDS FOR THE RURAL AND CRITICAL LANDS PROGRAM.

WRAP IT UP PLEASE.

BUT I CONSIDER IT TO BE SKIN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YOU HAVE YOUR, YOU HAVE YOUR COMMENTS IN WRITING THERE.

I DO USE PRESENTATION JUST MADE.

I DO.

WE'LL MAKE THAT A MATTER OF THE RECORD THAT WE'LL GO FORWARD WITH OUR DOCUMENTATION.

WELL, I

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ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THEY WOULD LIKE TO OFFER ON THIS ISSUE? OKAY.

HEARING NONE.

WE WILL INCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS IN OUR RECORDS.

THAT WOULD GO FORWARD.

WE'LL GO FORWARD TO A COUNTY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? UM, CHRIS, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? NOBODY.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

LET ME GET TO TONIGHT'S AGENDA ITEMS, ACTION ITEMS. UM, WHO'S GONNA, UH, JULIANA, YOU'RE GONNA MAKE A PRESENTATION.

ALL RIGHT.

I GUESS WE'RE JUST GOING TO TAKE ONE AT A TIME.

DID YOU SET UP TO AN AGE WHERE SHE'S GOING TO BIBLE BOOKS? HOW DO YOU WANT TO DO IT? I THINK WE'LL GO THROUGH ONE AT A TIME.

I'LL GIVE A KIND OF A BROAD EXPLANATION OF WHAT IT IS THAT WE ARE HOPING TO ACHIEVE WITH ALL FIVE TOGETHER, KIND OF WHY THIS IS HAPPENING AND THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH EACH ONE.

OKAY.

UM, SO IF, UM, STAFF HAS BEEN REVIEWING OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE WITH IN CONCERT WITH THE ADOPTION OF THE 20, 40 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

SO WITH THE ADOPTION OF THAT PLAN, WE'RE ASSESSING WHAT CHANGES MAY NEED TO BE MADE TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE, TO COME INTO SYNC WITH THAT PLAN.

AND THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED OTHER AREAS OF THE CODE THAT NEED A LITTLE BIT OF TIGHTENING UP OR CLARIFYING.

AND SO WE'LL BE BRINGING MATCHES OF TEXT AMENDMENTS TO YOU ALL THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

THIS IS THE FIRST BATCH.

THESE ARE PRETTY MINOR AMENDMENTS THAT ARE COMING FORWARD.

UH, LIKE I SAID, THEY SEEK TO CLARIFY IN THE CODE AND THEN WE HAVE ONE THAT IS ADDING NEW INFORMATION TO THE CODE.

AND THAT'LL BE THE LAST ONE THAT WE TALK ABOUT

[7. TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE (CDC): APPENDIX A.13.40 (PERMITTED ACTIVITIES) AND APPENDIX A.13.50.D (GUEST HOUSES) TO AMEND THE GUEST HOUSE DEFINITION AND CLARIFY MINIMUM LOT REQUIREMENTS FOR GUEST HOUSES LOCATED IN THE MAY RIVER COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICT. ]

SO WE'LL START WITH NUMBER SEVEN, UM, WHICH IS MAKING CHANGES TO SECTION A.ONE, THREE DOT FIVE, ZERO DOT D IN THE MAY RIVER COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICT OF THE CODE.

SO AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE, WE HAVE COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICTS, INCLUDING ONE ALONG MAY RIVER ROAD.

IN THAT PORTION OF THE CODE, THERE ARE STANDARDS SET FORTH FOR GUEST HOUSES.

AND WHAT WE ARE DOING IS GOING IN AND CHANGING A SECTION OF THAT CODE TO CLOSE A GAP THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS.

SO AS IT READS RIGHT NOW, THIS SECTION OF THE CODE DOES PROVIDE GUIDANCE ON WHAT TO DO WITH PARCELS THAT ARE TWO TO FIVE ACRES IN SIZE.

UM, IT, IT SAYS HOW MANY GUESTS HOUSES ARE ALLOWED, HOW BIG THEY ARE.

IT ALSO GIVES GUIDANCE.

OH YEAH.

WE'LL SCROLL IT UP.

THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

THANK YOU.

AND WE'LL, WE'LL JUST FOLLOW ALONG ONCE WE GET THERE.

YEAH.

UM, IT ALSO PROVIDES GUIDANCE ON HOW ON PARCELS THAT ARE OVER FIVE ACRES IN SIZE.

OKAY.

THERE WE GO.

UM, AND WE'LL, WE'LL KEEP, WE'LL KEEP GOING THAT WAY.

YOU GUYS ARE ABLE TO SEE THE HIGHLIGHTED LANGUAGE.

SO THIS IS NUMBER FIVE UP HERE ON THE SCREEN.

THANKS CHRIS.

SO THIS PART OF THE CODE ESSENTIALLY BREAKS DOWN THE NUMBER OF GUEST HOUSES AND SIZE OF GUEST HOUSES THAT DIFFERENT SIZE PARCELS ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE IN THE MAY RIVER COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICT.

IT ADDRESSES PARCELS THAT ARE TWO TO FIVE ACRES, AND IT ADDRESSES PARCELS THAT ARE OVER FIVE ACRES, BUT ONLY IF THEY EXIST, THEY WERE CREATED AFTER THE ADOPTION OF THE MAY RIVER COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICTS.

AND THIS WAS IN THE EARLY TWENTIES TENS.

UM, SO IT LEAVES NO GUIDANCE FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE OVER FIVE ACRES IN SIZE THAT EXISTED PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF THE MAY RIVER COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICTS.

AND SO THERE'S THIS GAP.

WHAT STAFF POSING WE DO IS TAKE OUT THE LANGUAGE, REFERENCING THE ORIGINATION DATE OF THE PARCELS IN ORDER TO CAPTURE, CAPTURE THOSE FI THOSE OVER FIVE ACRE PARCELS, THAT PRE DATE, THIS STANDARD.

SO HOPEFULLY I'VE, I'VE EXPLAINED THAT CLEARLY, BUT I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT.

A PRETTY SIMPLE EDIT THERE.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION COMING UP IN OTHER COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICTS, UM, ACROSS THE COUNTY AND WILL IT, WOULD IT BE THE SAME, UM, WILL IT BE PERCEIVED IN THE SAME WAY OR HANDLED IN THE SAME MANNER? I DON'T, I DON'T FORESEE THAT HAPPENING.

AS OF RIGHT NOW, EACH, EACH COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICT IS PRETTY UNIQUE TO THE AREA THAT THEY'RE WITHIN.

FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE MAY RIVER COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF MAY RIVER ROAD, YOU'RE ALLOWED GUEST HOUSES IT'S DIFFERENT ON NORTH SIDE.

SO EVEN WITHIN THAT OWN DISTRICT, THERE'S NUANCES DEPENDING ON LOCATION.

SO I DON'T FORESEE THAT HAPPENING.

THERE'S NOT REALLY A WAY TO COMPARE THIS TO OTHER COUNTYWIDE STANDARDS NOW

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OKAY.

COULD SOMEONE HAS A 3000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE THAT'S MAYBE SAY 50 YEARS OLD, RIGHT.

FOUR BEDROOM, FOUR BATH HOUSE.

THEY DECIDE THEY WANT TO BUILD A GUEST HOUSE 2000 SQUARE FEET.

RIGHT.

THEY COULD DO THAT IF THE ACREAGE WAS RIGHT, COULD THEY THEN MOVE INTO THE 2000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE AND THEN READ THE OTHER ONE OUT AS AN AIRBNB? THIS DOESN'T PREVENT THAT, THAT FIRST THING I THOUGHT OF WHEN I LOOKED AT, AND I KNOW IF I'M FIRST THING I THOUGHT OF, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE OUT THERE THINKING THE SAME THING.

AND I THINK THAT EXISTS EVEN WITHOUT THIS.

SO YOU'RE ASKING IF THEY CAN CHANGE THE DESIGNATION OF THE GUEST HOUSE, THEY WOULD JUST DO IT.

YOU WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW BECAUSE I GOT THE GUEST HOUSE, BUT I GOT THIS HOUSE.

I JUST MOVED INTO THE GUEST HOUSE THAT I RENT OUT ROOMS OR WHATEVER, AND THE OTHER HOUSES AND AIRBNB.

AND I, AND I WILL SAY, I MEAN, WITHIN THIS CODE, THE GUEST HOUSE IS SPECIFICALLY DEFINED AS NOT BEING SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN RENT OUT IT'S SPECIFICALLY FOR FAMILY.

RIGHT.

BUT JUST, JUST KIND OF CLARIFYING THAT PIECE OF IT.

YEAH.

THE OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO SAY IS THAT, UM, SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE NOT A PERMITTED USE IN THIS DISTRICT.

SO IF THEY DID DO IT AND BELIEVE ME, WE'VE DEALT WITH A LOT OF PROPERTIES IN THIS AREA, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTACT OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT.

SO YEAH, SO, SO, OKAY.

SO THAT'S GOOD THAT, THAT PREVENTS THAT FROM HAPPENING.

COULD THEY MOVE INTO THE GUEST HOUSE AND RENT THE OTHER FOUR BEDROOMS HOUSE FOR $4,000 A MONTH, LEGALLY RENT SIGN, A LEASE WITH SOMEBODY RENT THE HOUSE? I MEAN, INTO THE IDEA OF, UH, HOW OWNERSHIP OR THE USE OF THE RENTAL FROM A LONG-TERM STANDPOINT WOULD BE USED.

I THINK I HAVE TO CLARIFY.

I JUST WANT TO KIND OF PULL BACK TO THE SECTIONS THAT WE'RE AMENDING HERE, JUST TO KIND OF BRING THIS BACK TO IT IS THAT THIS ISN'T TOUCHING UPON.

IF SOMEBODY WAS TO DO THAT TODAY, THEY COULD DO IT TODAY.

THIS, THIS HOUSE TODAY.

WELL, NO, THEY COULD JUST, THEY GO TO, SELF-BUILT A GUEST HOUSE, A PROPERTY THAT'S FALLS WITHIN THE EXISTING RANGE.

THIS IS EXISTING CODE IN HERE THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS, THAT ALL STAFF IS RECOMMENDING TO DO IS, IS THAT IT'S REMOVING SOME SIMPLE NUANCES TO IT THAT HAVE GAPS THAT DON'T REALLY ADDRESS WHETHER YOU HAVE FIVE ACRES OR WHEN IT MAY HAVE BEEN, UH, PLANTED OR WITH A LOT OF RECORD CAME ON.

SO WHILE YOUR CONCERN IS ABOUT A CONCERN FOR PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE LIVING THERE, THIS TEXT AMENDMENT DOES NOT TOUCH OR CHANGE IF THAT WAS TO OCCUR.

SO IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO BUILD A GUEST HOUSE, THERE IS LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT TALKS ABOUT HOW THAT GUEST HOUSE CAN BE USED, BUT IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY IF THEY MOVED INTO IT, I GUESS TECHNICALLY THEY'RE THEIR OWN GUESTS AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

UM, I'M LOOKING AT THIS AS ANYTHING THAT THIS DOESN'T SAY I CAN DO.

DOESN'T SAY I CAN DO IT UNTIL YOU COME ALONG WITH ANOTHER DOCUMENT THAT TELLS ME THAT I CAN'T DO IT.

SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS, UM, I'M NOT DROPPING A PROBLEM ON YOU IS MAYBE YOU PUT SOMETHING IN THERE THAT IT CANNOT BECOME ANYONE'S PRINCIPAL RESIDENCE.

AND THAT, THAT JUST CLEARS IT ALL UP.

CAUSE IT'S SAYING THAT IT CAN'T BE COM CAN'T BE RENTED TO SOMEONE ELSE AND ALL THAT THAT'S COVERED, BUT IT REALLY DOESN'T COVER THE OWNER.

JUST SAY, IT'S MINE.

I OWN IT.

I'M GOING TO SLEEP THERE.

SO JUST A THOUGHT THAT'S FOR YOU ALL TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.

AND YOU, KEVIN, YOU'D PUT THAT IN UNDER NUMBER TWO D TO ADD THAT SENTENCE.

OH YEAH.

AND NOT JUST EVEN A HALF A SENTENCE, YOU KNOW, NOT BECOME THE PRINCIPAL RESIDENCE OF ANY OCCUPANT.

SO GRANDMA COMES IN, SHE, SHE NEEDS, SHE CAN SOMEWHAT LIVE ON HER OWN, BUT SHE NEEDS SUPERVISION.

SHE CAN'T LIVE THERE PERMANENTLY UNTIL SHE PASSES.

SHE'S A GUEST.

YEAH.

SHE COULD.

YOU'RE GOING TO GET INTO PRINCIPLE USE FIRST AND ACCESSORY USE.

SO THIS WOULDN'T BE PERMITTED AS THE, UM, AS THE PRINCIPAL USE, THERE WOULD BE STRICT GUIDELINES OF A GUEST HOUSE BEING PERMANENT.

AS YOU CAN SEE THERE'S LANGUAGE IN THERE ABOUT ITS SIZE AND RELATIONSHIP TO THE EXISTING PRINCIPAL USE.

YOU KNOW, IF, IF IT WAS A CONCERN TO

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IF YOU HAVE BOTH OUT MAY RIVER, IF SOMEBODY CHOOSES TO MOVE INTO THE GUEST HOUSE.

SO THEIR KIDS AND THEIR KIDS AND THEIR FOUR KIDS CAN LIVE IN THE MAIN HOUSE.

THAT'S JUST WHAT IT IS.

UM, THIS DOESN'T REALLY GET INTO THAT.

THIS JUST CLARIFIES AGAIN, THE STANDPOINT OF THE ACTUAL ANCHORAGE WAS CREATED, BUT IF YOU THOUGHT THAT THIS DISTRICT NEEDED MORE PROTECTION IN THAT REGARDS, THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO GET INTO SOME OF THAT CONVERSATION, BUT HAVE YOU SEEN ANY AWARE, ARE WE AWARE OF THIS ISSUE OR HAS THIS COME UP TO BE AN ISSUE THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED IN SOME OTHER SECTION? THIS IS PURELY BUILDING STANDARDS.

IT'S YEAH.

THIS IS BUILDING STANDARD FOR A GUEST HOUSE.

SO TO, WHAT WOULD YOU LAY ON WITH SAYING IS IF YOU GO ON JUST THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD, THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT DEFINITION.

THEY DON'T HAVE GUEST HOUSE, THEY HAVE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.

IF THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT AND THAT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IS LESS STRICT THAN THE LANGUAGE YOU SEE HERE FOR GUEST HOUSE.

WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL REASONING FOR THE CREATED AFTER THE ADOPTION DATE? ANY IDEA, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE READ THIS, BECAUSE I WASN'T EVEN AWARE OF THE WORDING UNTIL THE ISSUE CAME UP, IT IS ALMOST BACKWARDS OF HOW I THINK THE, THE INTENTION WAS BECAUSE TYPICALLY YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE A LOT OF RECORDS, MORE FLEXIBILITY, OR MORE RIGHTS THAN YOU WOULD CREATE A BEING A NEWLY CREATED LOT IN THIS WAS THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN TO SOMEONE'S BACKWARDS.

I CAN DO THIS INSTEAD.

IT WAS A MISTAKE.

IT WAS WRITTEN IMPROPERLY ALMOST.

IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

YEAH.

AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CORRECT THAT.

YEAH.

AND I THINK THAT ONE THROUGH FOUR DOES A PRETTY GOOD JOB DEFINING THE LIMITS OF THE GUEST HOUSE.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S PRETTY TIGHTLY WRITTEN THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE INTRODUCING ILLEGAL RENTALS OR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS AND THOSE JUST BY THE VERY DEFINITION OR NOT PERMITTED.

RIGHT.

AND SO, I MEAN, WE CAN HAVE THE GREATEST LAWS IN THE WORLD.

WE STILL CAN'T ALWAYS, I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY'S GOING TO DO SOMETHING IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT IF THEIR NEIGHBOR COMPLAINTS GO ENFORCEMENT GOES OUT, WE HAVE REMEDIES FOR THAT.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE THAT YOU'RE BRINGING UP, I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE A PROBLEM OR A CONCERN.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR ABOUT THIS.

THIS ISN'T REALLY TOUCHING ON THAT ISSUE KIND OF COVERS THE USE OF THAT DESKTOP.

YEAH.

I, I, MY, MY ONLY STATEMENT WOULD BE H I'M NOT SURE THAT WE CAN ADDRESS ALL OF THE MODIFICATIONS OR, UH, STRETCHING OF THE PRINCIPALS TO COME UP WITH HERE TODAY TO PREVENT ANYTHING HAPPENING, WHICH IS A FURTHER REGION OF THE PLACES IS ATTENDANT.

SO I'M NOT SURE THERE'S ANY EVALUATED TO CREATE, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO SOLVE ANY PROBLEM.

AND WE DON'T KNOW OF ANY PROBLEM.

I'M NOT SURE WHY WE'D WANT TO CHANGE IT AT THIS POINT.

UM, THAT WOULD BE MY, MY OTHER COMMENT I WOULD ASK FOR CLARIFICATION ON A NUMBER FIVE LINE ITEM, NUMBER FIVE IN THE FIRST LINE, YOU TALK ABOUT TWO TO FIVE ACRES IN SIZE OR PERMITTED FOR ONE GUEST HOUSE, BUT IT DOESN'T IN THE THIRD LINE.

YOU ALSO SAY FIVE ACRES OR MORE PREMIER FOR ONE OR MORE.

DID YOU MEAN TO SAY GREATER THAN FIVE ACRES RATHER THAN REPEAT FIVE ACRES? YES.

THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

JUST GOING, BECAUSE PEOPLE, SO PEOPLE WILL JUMP ON THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR PART OF THE EXISTING LANGUAGE, EXCUSE ME.

OKAY.

UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY.

IF, IF NOT, CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL? ONE OTHER QUICK QUESTION.

THIS MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

I SUPPORT THE MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION RECOMMENDED LANGUAGE THAT YOU POINTED OUT WAS.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

YOU'LL RECOGNIZE.

WE'LL HAVE A SECOND, SECOND.

OKAY.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION WITH THE MODIFIED WORDING AMENDMENT, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

ANY OBJECTIONS? NO.

OKAY.

APPROVED.

YEAH.

[8. TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE (CDC): SECTIONS IN DIVISION 3.2 (TRANSECT ZONES) AND SECTIONS IN DIVISION 3.3 (CONVENTIONAL ZONES) TO CORRECT CONFLICTING PARKING STANDARDS. ]

SO WE HAVE A PARKING REQUIREMENTS, TABLE, PARKING SPACE REQUIREMENTS TABLE.

IT EXISTS IN ARTICLE FIVE.

AND THEN IN ARTICLE THREE, WHERE WE HAVE ALL OF OUR TRANSECT ZONES AND ALL OF OUR CONVENTIONAL ZONES LISTED THERE ARE CALL-OUTS TO PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN EACH DISTRICT.

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AND SO WHAT THIS DOES IS IT GOES IN AND BRINGS THINGS INTO ALIGNMENT.

WE WORKED WITH STAFF, WE WORKED WITH HILLARY AND ROB TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WASN'T AN INTENTION BEHIND THIS, UM, DIFFERENCE THAT WE WERE SEEING.

SO IN SOME CASES WE WERE SEEING MORE PARKING SPACES REQUIRED OR LESS PARKING SPACES REQUIRED UNDER THE, UH, TRANSECT ZONES OR IN THE CONVENTIONAL ZONES THAN WHAT WAS BEING CALLED OUT IN THE PARKING SPACE REQUIREMENT TABLE AND ARTICLE FIVE.

SO WE CHECKED ON WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS INTENTIONAL.

UM, AND THE INTENT OF HAVING PARKING REQUIREMENTS LISTED IN EACH OF THE ZONING DISTRICTS WAS TO MAKE IT EASIER TO READ THROUGH THE CODE.

IF YOU WERE A DEVELOPER OR SOMEONE BUILDING A HOUSE, YOU COULD GO IN AND LOOK AND SEE THEM LISTED RIGHT THERE, BUT UNINTENTIONALLY THERE WERE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TABLE AND WHAT WAS IN YOUR ZONING DISTRICTS.

SO WHAT WE DID TO MODIFY THIS TO CORRECT, THIS WAS WE WENT INTO EACH OF OUR TRANSECTIONS AND CONVENTIONALS ZONES.

I CALLED OUT THE INDIVIDUAL PARKING SPACE REQUIREMENTS LISTED THERE AND REPLACED IT WITH LANGUAGE, THAT REFERENCES TABLE 5.5 POINT 40 B AND ARTICLE FIVE, THE PARKING SPACE REQUIREMENTS.

THERE ARE ONLY TWO ZONES WHERE WE DID NOT DO THAT.

THAT IS TRENT, THE T4 ZONES.

AND THOSE ARE OUR DENSEST, MOST URBAN TRANSECT ZONES.

THEY ARE INTENDED TO BE MULTIMODAL WITH A WALKABLE COMMUNITIES, BIKEABLE COMMUNITIES.

AND SO WE LEFT OUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN THERE WITH SLIGHTLY FEWER PARKING SPACES REQUIRED SO THAT WE DIDN'T OVER PARK THOSE DENSER SECTIONS.

SO THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THAT.

BUT OTHERWISE EVERYTHING WAS REFERENCING THE, UH, THE PARKING TABLE AND ARTICLE FIVE.

OKAY.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT QUESTIONS? I HOPE I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, SO THE ASSUMPTION HERE IS THAT TABLE 5.5 0.4 IS ALL CORRECT, WHICH NOTHING NEEDED TO BE CHANGED AND JUST ELIMINATED THE DUPLICATION OVER HERE THAT GOT OUT OF WHACK WITH 5.5, WHICH HAPPENS OFTEN IN DOCUMENTS.

UM, OKAY.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND WE DID JUST TO BE CLEAR, DOUBLE CHECK WITH ROB AND HILLARY AND THE FOLKS WHO WERE THERE WHEN ALL OF THAT WAS DONE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS INDEED WHAT HAPPENED AND TO CONFIRM.

YES.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY COMMENTS ABOUT ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MODIFICATION TO THE TEXT MOTION TO APPROVE MODIFICATION TO ATTACKS? SURE.

I'LL SECOND THAT ONE SECOND.

OKAY.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, ANY OPPOSED? NO.

MISS X.

[9. TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE (CDC): SECTION 6.1.40.G (BASE SITE AREA CALCULATIONS) TO CLARIFY THAT NATURAL WATER BODIES INCLUDE WETLANDS. ]

NUMBER NINE, SECTION 6.1 0.40.

THIS IS WITH REGARDS TO HOW WE CALCULATE OUR BASE SITE AREA WHEN GOING INTO DEVELOP A PARCEL AND IT ESSENTIALLY HELPS DEVELOPERS UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH ACREAGE, HOW MUCH BUILDABLE ACREAGE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE, WHICH HELPS THEM DETERMINE THE AMOUNT OF DENSITY, UM, THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED WITHIN THEIR ZONING DISTRICT, WHAT WE DID.

AND I'LL LET CHRIS GET THERE.

YOU'RE DOING GREAT.

I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PAGES WITH PARKING.

THERE WE GO.

KEEP GOING A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN HERE WE ARE.

SO LETTER G IS THE PORTION OF THE GENERAL REVIEW STANDARDS THAT ARE DRESSES BASED SITE AREA.

AND WHAT, THIS IS WHAT WE WENT IN TO DO WAS TO GIVE PRETTY CLEAR GUIDANCE ON HOW WE HANDLE WETLANDS ON PROPERTIES.

SO WE CALLED OUT SPECIFICALLY JURISDICTIONAL AND NON-JURISDICTIONAL WET LINE WETLANDS TO TIGHTEN UP THE INTERPRETATION FOR YOUR BASE SITE AREA.

SO THAT'S, WHAT'S THERE.

IT'S PRETTY CLEAR TO US AS STAFF IS WHAT, WHAT THAT ORIGINAL LANGUAGE INTENDS, BUT IT'S NOT ALWAYS NECESSARILY AS CLEAR TO FOLKS COMING IN.

AND WE WANTED TO HELP SET THE RIGHT EXPECTATIONS FOR WHAT THE COUNTY EXPECTED WITH REGARD TO HOW WE TREAT THOSE WETLANDS.

SO YOU COUNT YOU, YOU SUBTRACT THEM OUT ESSENTIALLY BEFORE YOU DETERMINE YOUR BASELINE AREA OR IN ORDER TO DETERMINE YOUR BASELINE AREA.

PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD QUESTIONS.

ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION.

UM, NINE NON-JURISDICTIONAL WETLANDS ARE ONES THAT DON'T COME UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE COUNTY.

IN THIS CASE, IT WOULD BE LIKE YOUR ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, GENERALLY SPEAKING.

SO PAWNS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TYPICALLY ARE NON JURISDICTIONAL.

OKAY.

COMMENTS,

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ALL THOSE IN FAVOR MOVED.

OKAY.

MOVING

[10. TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE (CDC): SECTION 4.1.330 (ECOTOURISM) TO CLARIFY GUIDING PRINCIPLES FOR ECOTOURISM DEVELOPMENT AND ESTABLISH BASE SITE AREA CALCULATIONS FOR ECOTOURISM DEVELOPMENT. ]

THIS IS IN RELATION TO THE LAND USE ECOTOURISM SIMILARLY TO THE BASE SITE AREA.

WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE GOING IN AND WE'RE PROVIDING CLARIFYING LANGUAGE TO MAKE IT REALLY PLAIN WHAT THE COUNTY'S EXPECTATIONS ARE FOR THIS LAND USE, SO THAT ANYONE WHO IS CONSIDERING USING ECOTOURISM KNOWS EXACTLY HOW, OR AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE EXACTLY HOW THE COUNTIES IN ENVISIONS THAT USED TO BE USED.

SO WE'VE DONE THIS IN, UH, UH, SEVERAL WAYS.

UM, FIRST YOU CAN SEE THE FIRST HIGHLIGHT THERE THAT BRINGS IN AN EXPLANATION OF ECOTOURISM, RIGHT AT THE TOP, THAT THIS IS A, UH, PRETTY MUCH A NATURE-BASED TURING INITIATIVE THAT SEEKS TO MINIMIZE ECOLOGICAL IMPACTS.

AS YOU MOVE DOWN INTO A WE'VE ADDED A STATEMENT THAT A COMMUNITY IMPACT STATEMENT MIGHT BE REQUIRED BY THE DIRECTOR.

THIS IS BECAUSE ECOTOURISM IS, IS ONLY A SPECIAL OR CONDITIONAL USE.

IT'S A SPECIAL USE IN T1 NATURAL PRESERVE DISTRICTS, AND THEN T2 DISTRICTS.

IT IS A CONDITIONAL USE.

SO IT MAY BE THAT OUR ZONING ANALYST OR OUR DIRECTOR WHEN REVIEWING ECO-TOURISM PROJECTS MIGHT WANT MORE INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT ON THE, THE IMPACT, THE COMMUNITY IMPACT STATEMENT.

UM, SO THAT'S WHY THAT LANGUAGE IS ADDED IN THERE TO HELP SET UP THAT EXPECTATION.

SHOULD THAT BE THE REQUIREMENT, UM, AND SEE WE'RE REFERENCING BASE SITE AREA.

UH, THAT'S THAT PREVIOUS ONE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT? SO IT'S PRETTY CLEAR HOW ECOTOURISM, UM, DEVELOPMENTS ARE TREATED, HOW BASE EYE AREA IS CALCULATED.

SO THERE'S NO CONFUSION ABOUT HOW THAT'S DONE.

UM, AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST IN H WE REMOVE THE REFERENCE TO THE ECOTOURISM SOCIETY, WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY AN S A NONPROFIT INSTITUTION.

IT DOESN'T EXIST IN THE SAME FORM ANYMORE.

UM, WE'RE REMOVING THAT REFERENCE, UH, TO PROVIDE GUIDANCE.

THAT'S WHAT IT DOES RIGHT NOW IS IT PROVIDES GUIDANCE ON HOW YOU SHOULD DEVELOP YOUR ECOTOURISM PROJECT AND INSTEAD REPLACING IT WITH STANDARDS, GUIDANCE DIRECTLY FROM THE COUNTY.

SO THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE THERE.

UM, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT, BUT THE ECOTOURISM SOCIETY HAS, IT DID PRESENT ISSUES FOR US IN THE PAST.

SO WE WANTED TO CLEAN THAT LANGUAGE UP.

CAN YOU SCROLL UP JUST A LITTLE BIT TO THE TOP SO WE CAN SEE THE TOP? THERE WE GO.

OKAY.

TWO QUESTIONS.

FIRST ONE IS, UM, WHERE DID YOU PULL YOUR DEFINITION FOR WHAT ECOTOURISM IS THE DEFINITION FROM THE DICTIONARY? OKAY.

THE SECOND QUESTION IS COMMUNITY IMPACT STATEMENT MAY BE REQUIRED TO MAYBE WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE CONDITIONS THAT IT WOULD BE REQUIRED THAT I THINK WOULD COME DOWN TO THE DETERMINATION OF OUR ZONING ANALYST WHEN SHE'S REVIEWING THE PROJECTS TO GET MORE INFORMATION? UM, YEAH, I MEAN, IS IT'S LANGUAGE THAT WAS KIND OF ADDED IN THERE.

SO THERE, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT DO AND HAVE REQUIRED COMMUNITY IMPACT STATEMENTS, UM, AS A PART OF A PROCESS OF, UH, UH, SOME TYPE OF APPROVAL AND THIS TYPE OF USE OR THE EDITORIAL, THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO HAVE THAT, OR ADD THAT AND NOT MAKE IT A REQUIREMENT, BUT BASED OFF OF PARTICULAR APPLICATION OR WHAT SOMEBODY IS DOING, IT ADDED SOME LANGUAGE TO GIVE STAFF SOME ABILITY TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT WE MIGHT WANT TO ASK FOR ONE HERE IN THIS PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCE? YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT REALLY AN EXAMPLE.

I WOULD SAY, I THINK WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE TO, YOU KNOW, THE REASONING OF IT, BUT IT JUST ALLOWS FOR THE TOOL FOR STAFF TO REQUEST ONE, WHICH HELPS PROVIDE SOME MORE INFORMATION ON A PARTICULAR PROJECT THAT MIGHT BEING PRESENTED.

DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE TOO BURDENSOME TO SAY YOU HAVE TO HAVE ONE FOR A COMMUNITY IMPACT STATEMENT? I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE LANGUAGE CURRENTLY DOESN'T EXIST.

SO YOUR QUESTION IS SAYING, INSTEAD OF IT SAYING, MAYBE YOU'RE SAYING SHOUT.

YEAH.

OKAY.

YES.

UM, WELL THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE A REQUIREMENT REGARDLESS THEN.

UM, AND IT WOULD NOT LEAVE IT SUBJECT TO STAFF.

IT WOULD, YOU WOULD ALL WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY, NO, WE THINK IT WANTS YOU TO JUST BE DONE AND IT'S A REQUIREMENT IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT.

AND THEN STAFF JUST REGULATES THAT INSTEAD OF BEING PUT IN THE POSITION TO KIND OF DETERMINE WHEN AND WHY, HOW BURDENSOME IS WRITING A COMMUNITY IMPACT STATEMENT.

I WOULD SAY PROBABLY TO THE EXTENT OF THE PROJECT.

UM, SOME OF THEM COULD PROBABLY

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YES.

DOES THAT MEAN, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WANTS TO WANTS TO DO A PROJECT.

I MEAN, HOW MUCH WHAT'S INVOLVED FOR THEM NOW, IF WE PUT A SHALLOW STATEMENT IN THERE, WHAT'S IT DO TO THEM? WHAT'S IT DO TO, WHAT'S IT DO TO YOUR OFFICE AS FAR AS, OKAY.

NOW WE'RE HAVE TO REVIEW UMPTEEN.

THIS IS, UM, SOMETHING WHEN WE'RE REVIEWING SHORT-TERM RENTAL APPLICATIONS, THAT IS A REQUIREMENT SO THAT THE APPLICANT HAS TO CONSIDER THE IMPACTS OF THEIR SHORT-TERM RENTAL ON THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.

SO SOME OF THAT MIGHT BE TRAFFIC.

IT MIGHT BE NOISE ATTENUATION.

IT MIGHT BE FIRE SAFETY, THAT KIND OF THING.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, BUT IT'S TYPICALLY A NARRATIVE THAT COMES FROM THE APPLICANT ON WHAT IMPACTS MIGHT BE IMPOSED BY THEIR OPERATIONS.

SO MAYBE FROM A STANDPOINT, UNDERSTAND, IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT, YOU'RE, WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE.

WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT YOU ALL ARE THINKING, HEY, MAYBE THIS IS JUST A GOOD IDEA TO REQUIRE IT, BUT BEFORE YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE GOING THERE, AND YOU'RE TRYING TO GET SOME IDEA ON WHAT ARE, WHAT'S THE EXTENT WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE COST HERE? SO, UM, TO JOHN IS WHAT SHE WAS SAYING IS FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS, JUST TO DO A SHORT TERM RENTAL.

AND WHEN YOU GO TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS, YOU DO ONE, IT'S A PART OF YOUR APPLICATION.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT SOME MASSIVE CRAZY THING, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA WHAT THEY'RE REQUIRED, JUST FOR SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS, AND TO YOUR, YOUR, YOUR POINTS OF CLARIFICATION.

THERE'S SOME TRAFFIC STATEMENTS IN OTHER FIRE DISTRICT IMPACTS.

WHERE'S THE APPLICANT GOING TO PULL THAT RESEARCH.

SO THEY ACTUALLY GIVE YOU A DOCUMENT.

THAT'S GOT VALID INFORMATION IN THERE THAT NOT JUST SOME, WELL, I'M JUST GOING TO PUT A STATEMENT TOGETHER, WHETHER IT'S FACTUAL OR NOT, WHO KNOWS? WELL, WE WOULD LOVE NOTHING MORE IF EVERYTHING THAT WAS SUBMITTED WAS FACTUAL AND ACCURATE.

PERFECT.

UM, BUT, UH, I MEAN, YOU WOULD HOPE THAT WHOEVER'S DOING IT.

YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THEY HIRE CONSULTANTS, RIGHT.

THEN THOSE CONSULTANTS ARE PROBABLY GONNA PUT IT TOGETHER AND KNOW WHAT STAFF IS LOOKING FOR.

UH, MY, I WOULD ANTICIPATE, YOU KNOW, AN EXAMPLE WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT A LOT OF THEM WILL PROBABLY DO IT, THEY'RE SET THEMSELVES.

SO THEIR, THEIR, THEIR WORK MIGHT NOT BE AS, AS GOOD AS MAYBE A CONSULTANT WHO DOES THIS ALL THE TIME.

SURE.

COULD ELATEMENT KITTLE A LAYMAN WORKING IN CONJUNCTION WITH YOU PUT THIS TOGETHER.

WE DO A COMMUNITY IMPACT STATEMENT.

I THINK SO.

I THINK THROUGH THE PROCESS, I THINK ANYBODY WHO WAS APPLYING TO DO THIS TYPE OF USE, IF SOMEBODY WHO WAS COMING AT THE COUNTY SAYING, HEY, THIS IS WHAT I WANT ESTABLISH.

THEY PROBABLY DO ARE, ARE, ARE WORKING WITH CONSULTANTS OR AN ENGINEER OR A LAND USE PLANNER AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

I MEAN, THIS IS, I MEAN, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT, IT MIGHT BE SMALLER SCALE, BUT THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT JUST TO PUT THE SITE PLAN TOGETHER, THEY'RE GOING TO NEED AN OR TECH.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT IF YOU ALL WERE MORE INCLINED TO SAY NO, IF WE THINK THIS USE IS INTENSE ENOUGH THAT WE THINK IT SHOULD JUST BE REQUIRED.

UM, I, I DON'T SEE THAT BEING SOME OVERBURDENSOME REQUEST AS A PART OF THIS, COMPARED TO EVERYTHING ELSE THAT THEY WOULD BE DOING IN THE CALCULATIONS AND THE MONEY THAT WOULD BE SPENT TO ESTABLISH THIS TYPE OF USE ON PROPERTY.

UM, ONE THING I WANTED TO ADD IS THAT IN APPENDIX A COMMUNITY IMPACT STATEMENTS INCLUDE A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE FOR EVERY, YOU KNOW, SO THAT, I THINK THAT'S WHERE SOME HAVING THAT DISCRETION MIGHT BE OKAY, YOU KNOW, CAUSE IT COULD BE A SMALL, SMALLER, YOU KNOW, KAYAK, RENTAL PLACE VERSUS SOMETHING IN THE MAGNITUDE OF A BAY POINT, YOU KNOW, THE, THAT WE GO WHEN THEY COME TO YOU FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL, I MEAN, YOU WOULD DIALOGUE WITH THEM AS TO WHAT WAS APPROPRIATE.

YOU DIDN'T NEED A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.

I MEAN, YOU COULD MODIFY WHAT GOES INTO THAT BASED ON YOUR REVIEW WITH THEM.

YEAH.

I MEAN, MIGHT WANT MORE, YOU MIGHT WANT LESS, WELL, THE ONLY THING I'D BE, UM, I'M NOT, I DON'T KNOW IF A PROBLEM WITH THE REST OF IT, BUT I THINK A TIA, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU SHOULD GO BACK TO THE THING THAT TRIGGERS TIA IS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF IT WAS SOMETHING TO GENERATE AT 50 PEAK HOUR TRIPS OR MORE, THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED, WELL, THERE WOULD BE REQUIRED ANYWAY, BUT, UM, I'M JUST NOT COMFORTABLE BECAUSE TIA IS LISTED AS ONE OF THE COMPONENTS OF A, OF A COMMUNITY IMPACT STATEMENT.

SO SHORT-TERM RENTALS WOULD HAVE TO DO WITH TIA.

WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING MAYBE WE WANT TO DISCUSS WITH YOU.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE INTENT, BUT I JUST DON'T WANT TO TIE OURSELVES TO SOMETHING THAT'S MANDATORY THAT ALSO HAS THE TIA LISTED AS ONE OF ITS COMPLEX, YOU KNOW, TO ROB'S POINT, THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, HERE WE ARE, WE, YOU KNOW, WE,

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THAT'S CURRENTLY KIND OF HOW WE PRESENTED IT AND WROTE IT.

UM, IF A TIA IS A REQUIREMENT, REGARDLESS OF WHAT'S BEING DONE, I WOULD SAY THAT THAT THEN THERE WOULD BE A VERY BURDENSOME REQUIREMENT.

UH, I CAN EXPAND THAT CAN BE SEVEN, EIGHT, $10,000, JUST IF YOU CAN EVEN FIND SOMEBODY TO DO IT.

RIGHT.

UM, SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF THE, UH, PROFESSIONAL SCOPE OF YOUR AVERAGE PERSON.

BUT AGAIN, MOST OF THE TIME THESE WOULD HAVE ENGINEERS, IT WOULD JUST ADD SOME COSTS TO IT.

YEP.

AND THEN A LOT OF THE USES WHERE ECOTOURISM MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE ESTABLISHED, IT MIGHT, IT MIGHT JUST BE A MORE SMALLER SCALE THING AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE REMOTE AND IT'S, IT'S SO SIMPLE AND USE THAT THE TYPE OF YOU COULD JUST KNOW BY LOOKING AT, OH, THAT'S NOT GOING TO GENERATE THE TYPE OF TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO TRIGGER WHAT ROB WAS MENTIONING OF THE THRESHOLDS THAT WOULD TYPICALLY WE WOULD WANT TO SEE, YOU KNOW, UH, A TRAP, YOU KNOW, A, A TIA IN REGARDS TO, TO THE USE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED.

OKAY.

OTHER COMMENTS.

YES.

ROB, YOU MUST'VE BEEN READING MY MIND BECAUSE MIKE, YOU QUESTIONS REALLY HAVE TO DO WITH, UM, BAYPOINT AND WHAT WE LEARNED FROM THAT DEBACLE AND, UM, SMALL THREE ACRE MINIMUM.

AND I WANT TO GO INTO THAT IN A SEC, I GUESS I'M FOR THE SHELL, BECAUSE IF THERE HAD BEEN A SHALL NECESSARY AND THE COUNTY, AND DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, WHATEVER THEY'RE CALLED THE TES, YOU KNOW, THE ECOTOURISM SOCIETY WAS AS VALID AS THEY CLAIM TO BE.

WE COULD HAVE HAD ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, DIVERTED A LOT OF ATTENTION AND EFFORT ON EVERYBODY'S PART TO KIND OF EXACTLY SEE WHAT BAY POINT WAS IN WAS NOT.

SO I FEEL STRONGLY THAT WE W WE HAD TO LEARN FROM THAT.

AND SO I'M IN FAVOR OF A SHALL STATEMENT.

I DO TRUST ALL OF YOU GUYS TO SAY TO SOMEONE WHERE IT'S MAYBE A SMALL PROJECT AND THERE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.

I GET THAT.

HOWEVER, AT BAY POINT, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FERRY, LANDINGS, FERRY, DOCKS WERE IN AND OUT WHAT, WHAT TIDES IS GOING TO AFFECT THE FISHING OUT THERE? YOU KNOW, THE GULLAH, GEECHEE, FISHERMEN ASSOCIATION, PEOPLE LIKE ME ON ONE END OF ST.

HELENA AND LIKE, UM, FOLKS OUT LANDS IN WHO SPOKE UP AT PUBLIC HEARING SAID, WAIT A MINUTE.

I MEAN, IT'S SORT OF AMUSING AND CUTE THAT THERE'S A FERRY SERVICE, BUT GUESS WHAT? THEY'RE GOING TO BE HELICOPTERS GOING OVER THERE.

IF IT'S 700 BUCKS A NIGHT, NO ONE'S GOING TO WASTE HALF A DAY.

YOU KNOW, THINKING IT'S CUTE, THEY'RE GOING TO GET NEW HELICOPTER AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE FLYING OVER MY HOUSE AND OVER, YOU KNOW, SEAL DOOR'S HOUSE.

W WHAT WOULD WE SPOKE UP? SO I ALSO THINK THAT TH THAT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT IS THE TIA IS KIND OF A NARROW DEFINITION.

I'M, WE'RE NOT HERE TO CHANGE THAT, BUT I THINK YOU CAN FIGURE THAT OUT.

MY, THE SECOND POINT WOULD BE UNDER SECTION F THIS, THERE SHOULD BE A THREE ACRE MINIMUM SIZE FOR THIS USE.

I ACTUALLY WAS THINKING ABOUT WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU HAVE A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, KAYAK, TOURISM THING ON WALLACE CREEK ACROSS FROM PENN.

I MEAN, THAT'S COME UP IN OUR ST.

HELEN ISLAND PRESERVATION SOCIETY.

NOW I'M NOT EVEN SURE THAT WOULD BE THREE ACRES, BUT IS THAT IMPORTANT TO HAVE A MINIMUM? WHAT'S THE, I MEAN, WHAT'S SO IMPORTANT ABOUT THE THREE ACRE MINIMUM, UM, IN LINE F TYPICALLY WHAT THAT DOES, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE, UM, ONE OF THE DISTRICTS WHERE THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE IS T2 RURAL, AND THAT HAS A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL LOTS.

AND SO IT KEEPS THESE USES, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, TO THE LA SLIGHTLY LARGER PROPERTIES SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, IN A RURAL RESIDENTIAL AREA, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE IMPACTS OF ECOTOURISM KIND OF IN THE MIDST OF A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF HAVING A MINIMUM SITE AREA.

I THINK IT ALSO GIVES ENOUGH LAND FOR OPEN SPACE AND BUFFERS.

YEAH.

I MEAN, I CAN SEE THAT ALSO.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THAT WAS CLARIFICATION.

I'M SORRY.

I DID HAVE A THIRD PIECE, UM, UNDER SECTION A, UM, AND THIS SORT OF GOES INTO WHAT I WAS SAYING EARLIER ABOUT OUR ASPIRATIONAL RESPONSIBILITIES.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD RESILIENCE IN HERE SOMEWHERE LIKE THAT WORD OR SO, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, OH, WAIT, NO, SORRY.

B UNDER SECTION H SORRY.

OPERATORS OF ECOTOURISM USES, BLAH, BLAH, SHALL ADHERE TO THIS MINIMIZE PHYSICAL AND SOCIAL IMPACTS.

WHY IS THAT ANY LESS GENERAL OR, OR LESS ASPIRATIONAL THAN SOMETHING LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, W IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE

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YEAH.

THE COMMENTS, I HAVE SOME COMMENTS REGARDING ITEM H UM, I THINK THEY'RE TOO GENERAL.

I'M LOOKING MORE FOR SPECIFICITY, SOMETHING YOU CAN MEASURE.

I MEAN, WHAT DOES MINIMIZE PHYSICAL AND SOCIAL IMPACTS AND THE WHO'S JUDGING MINIMIZATION, UM, CULTURAL AWARENESS, WHAT IS THE GOAL AND CULTURAL AWARENESS THAT IS SOME NUMBER OR SOME PERCENTAGE, UM, UM, RAISE AWARENESS.

WELL, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, TWO PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW, OR FOUR PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW, OR THE, EVERYBODY NEEDS TO KNOW MY POINT ON ALL OF THOSE.

THOSE ARE ALL GOOD PARAMETERS, BUT THEY'RE VERY GENERAL.

AND SO THE VAGARY OF THEM REALLY DOESN'T INVITE THEIR ADHERENCE TO THEM.

THERE OUGHT TO BE SOME SPECIFICITY AND MEASURABLE IMPACTS THAT YOU WANT.

UM, AND IF YOU WANT PEOPLE TO ADHERE TO THE PROPER STEWARDSHIP RESEARCH AND EDUCATIONAL PRINCIPLES, AND THEY NEEDED, THEY NEED TO BE MEASURABLE, MAYBE NOT THIS, THIS CATEGORY OF THEM, BECAUSE THEY MAY BE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO MEASURE, BUT YOU NEED TO HAVE SOME MEASURABLE RESULTS.

YOU'VE, YOU'RE GOING TO HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE TO ADHERING TO THE PROPER STEWARDSHIP RESEARCH AND EDUCATION PRINCIPLES THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO LAY OUT.

SO I WOULD, I WOULD ASK FOR YOU TO MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON, MAKE A MEASURABLE DIFFERENCE.