Mar 25, 2022 Northern Regional Plan Implementation Committee

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

[3. FOIA – PUBLIC NOTIFICATION OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN PUBLISHED, POSTED, AND DISTRIBUTED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SOUTH CAROLINA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT.]

[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES – November 19, 2021]

[6. STEPHANIE ROSSI, LOWCOUNTRY COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS – BEAUFORT MILITARY RESILIENCEY PROJECT UPDATE]

[7. “NORTHERN PLAN INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT REVISIONS” A) EUSTIS COMMUNITY JOINT LAND USE PLAN – BEAUFORT COUNTY AND CITY OF BEAUFORT B) NORTHERN LADY’S ISLAND RURAL C) TOWN OF YEMASSEE GROWTH BOUNDARY]

[8. PRIORITIZED LIST OF ACTION ITEMS 2022]

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I'M ALSO EXCITED THAT SORT OF GERMANE TO OUR PLANNING OFFICE WHERE WE'VE HIRED OVER

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WE'VE GOT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK ESPECIALLY WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

BUT AGAIN LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITY IF YOU KNOW OF ANYBODY WHO'S LOOKING FOR A PLANNING JOB I'M LOOKING AT ALL YOU PLANNERS STEVE OR ANYBODY OR ANYBODY IN.

I LOST AROUND SOME SERIOUS PLEASE PLACE THAT I'VE ALWAYS THIRD WHERE IT WAS THERE THAT WE UNDERSTAND IS NOT ENOUGH. THERE'S A LOT OF PLANNING TALENT TO GO AROUND RIGHT NOW.

IT'S HARD TO FIND GOOD PEOPLE. AND PERSONALLY I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE COOLEST JOBS IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A REAL IMPRINT FINGERPRINT ON THE FUTURE OF THE COMMUNITY. THE PLANNING STAFF PROBABLY MORE THAN JUST ABOUT ANY OF US . ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. SO LET'S GO ON AND I GUESS IT AND OR ROB THIS FIRST ITEM THE POINT OF THIS ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ALSO PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE JUST BEEN ON THE ACTION ITEM LIST SO MAYBE YOU COULD SPEAK TO THAT. DID YOU WANT TO.

YEAH. THIS IS KIND OF . YOU'RE RIGHT.

I MEAN THIS IS REALLY ONE OF OUR ONGOING ITEMS. THIS IS I GUESS KIND REVISITING I THINK THAT WE'VE KIND OF CONCLUDED THAT WE HAVE AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT IN PLACE THAT GOVERNS YOU KNOW, THAT THE GROWTH BOUNDARIES AND THE THE RULE OF THE MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTY BOTH WITHIN AND WITH THE OUTSIDE OF THE GROWTH BOUNDARIES AND WITH THE LATEST IRELAND PLAN AND WITH SOME OTHER PLANNING EFFORTS, WE KIND OF IDENTIFIED SOME AREAS THAT YOU KNOW, PART IF WE WERE TO REVISIT THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT.

THERE ARE THREE AREAS THAT WE BROUGHT UP. ONE IS THE EUSTIS COMMUNITY.

THAT'S THE AREA BETWEEN BASICALLY THE AIRPORT AND THE CHALLENGE CREEK BRIDGE.

AND I BELIEVE AT THE LAST MEETING OR BACK IN NOVEMBER AROUND THAT TIME FRAME WE AGREED THAT DOING A JOINT LAND USE PLAN IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CITY THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD UNDERTAKE MORE AT THE STAFF LEVEL JUST COMING UP WITH A FRAMEWORK FOR WHAT WE BELIEVED WAS ACCEPTABLE SO THAT IF THE LAND IS ANNEXED IN THAT AREA WE'RE KIND OF FOLLOWING WORKING A SCENE. SHE DID MUSIC.

I THINK THAT WE KIND OF AGREED TO THAT DRAWING GROWTH BOUNDARY PRESENTED SOME ISSUES WITH THE CITY BECAUSE YOU ALREADY HAVE A LAND WITHIN YOUR JURISDICTION JUST IN IRELAND AND IT WOULD FOREVER THOSE AREAS WOULD BE FOREVER DISJOINTED FROM FROM THE REST OF THE CITY.

>> SO HAVING THIS JOINT LAND USE PLAN TO WORK IS A FRAMEWORK.

SO IF LAND DRM IT'S NOT YOU KNOW IT'S STILL FOLLOWING THE SAME VISION FOR THAT AREA WAS WAS KIND OF HOW WE LEFT THAT NORTHERN LADY'S ISLAND. I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHETHER WHAT STEPS THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE RECOMMEND IN THE LATEST PLAN WAS RETRACTING NEW GROWTH BOUNDARIES. WE HAVE A PORTION OF LAKE NORTHERN LADY'S ISLAND THAT IS STILL RURAL. WE DO REALIZE THAT THERE ARE SOME NON.

THERE'S SOME DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS PREAPPROVED PRIOR TO THE NINETEEN NINETY NINE COUNTY ORDINANCE PLEASANT POINT WALLING GROVE. YOU KNOW SOME OF THOSE CENTERS THAT SOME ARE SET UP TO SOME POINT QSR POINT SHARP ROTATION. YEAH.

ROY BROYLES HI. THIS IS WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES HERE.

YOU'RE WITHIN THE AREA AND C.P. SO THERE ARE SOME OF THOSE I THINK THAT WHAT WE AGREED TO IS DRAWING THE LINE. YOU KNOW IT'S SPRING FIELD AND SOME OF THOSE OTHER AREAS THAT KIND OF DIVIDE THE RURAL. AND THEN FINALLY WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE TOWN AND BEGAN TO SEE MSE IN MAC GARDENS IS HERE REPRESENTING THE TOWN OF EMC.

THEY HAVE RECENTLY YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN PLANTATION WAS ANNEXED I BELIEVE IN 2006 THAT IN ADDITION THERE'S BEEN SOME LARGE LANDHOLDINGS. MOST OF THEM I THINK ARE COVERED UNDER CONSERVATION EASEMENTS ANNEX. BUT YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN

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SO MOVING RIGHT ALONG. >> SO THAT'S KIND OF A STATUS REPORT OF HOW WE'RE ENVISIONING THIS. AND I GUESS MY ONE OF MY QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW WITH THE CITY IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD YOU WANT US TO REACH OUT TO THE TWO RICO PROJECTS TO SOMETHING MAYBE WE WANT TO HOLD OFF. YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING A JOINT PLAN FOR THE EUSTIS COMMUNITY AND YEAH, I THINK I THINK FOR US THE THERE'S A CONCERN ABOUT THE ZONING CLASSES THAT WE HAVE AND THAT WE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MODIFY OUR THIS ROOM BECAUSE WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT LADY'S ISLAND AND THE CORRIDOR. WE HAVE SOME TRANSIT ZONES WHERE IT GOES FROM LIKE 23 TO 5 WHICH IS A LITTLE TOO INTENSE. AND SO I SUSPECT THAT OVER COLD CONVERSATION I UBIQUITOUS MISSING MIDDLE. YEAH.

WE'VE ALREADY OUR AGENDA FOR RETREAT TO DISCUSS THAT AS WELL.

SO I THINK FROM A MACRO LEVEL WE NEED TO WE HAVE TO LAND PLAYING ON A FEW OF THOSE ITEMS WHICH I THINK WILL INFORM SOME OF THE LAND USE SOME THAT THEY USED AS COMMUNITY.

SO I THINK MY SUGGESTION AND I'LL DEFER TO MY COLLEAGUES WOULD BE TO WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE A NATURAL PLAN OR HIRED AND THEN THE SEED WHICH I THINK WILL HAPPEN WITHIN THE NEXT COMPLETE 60 DAYS AND WE'LL HAVE THAT DO OVER COAL STRATEGIC PLANNING RETREAT AT THE END OF APRIL WHICH I THINK WILL KIND OF PULL ALL THE PIECES TOGETHER SO TO SPEAK.

OKAY. I THINK THAT'S I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.

I THINK MITCH WOULD AGREE WITH US ON THAT. I THINK THAT THE SORT OF THE ANALYSIS OF HOW THE COUNTY IS ZONING IN THE CITIES CURRENTLY WITH THAT WITH THE CONSIDERATION THAT THAT MISSING METALS GONNA ADD TO THAT AND IT MAY WELL BE THAT AS WE LOOK AT THAT THE MISSING MIDDLE THAT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT HOW YOUR ZONING IS, HOW UNINCORPORATED AREAS IN THAT SECTION AS WELL. OKAY. SO IT WILL APPLY IN SOME FASHION THERE AS WELL. BUT THEN THERE'S THAT THAT HAS BEEN A PROBLEM IN ALL OF OUR COMMUNITIES WITH TRANSACT STANDING. SO WE MISSED HAVING A SECTION THAT REALLY GIVES LESS INTENSITY TO MORE INTENSITY AND A GRADUAL THAT WHERE IT DOESN'T GIVE THAT FUNCTION VERY WELL. SO THAT WOULD MEAN THAT WOULD SUDDENLY LAND FOR US TO HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE. NOW I THINK IF WE DO A JOINT PLAN FOR LADY ISLAND THAT WE MIGHT BENEFIT FROM SOME OF THAT SOME ANALYSIS THAT THING THINK IT WOULD PROVIDE A LOT OF GOOD ANALYSIS OR MAYBE YOU SHOULD COME THAT WITNESS THE DATE OF THE SEVENTH AND TWENTY EIGHTH OF APRIL. OKAY. YOU SAID OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

ABSOLUTELY. OPENS PUBLIC AND IT WILL ALSO BE LIVESTREAM AND LET ME SPEAK TO THE GROWTH BOUNDARY YOU'RE MUTED. GERALD, YOU HIT ME AT ME NOW.

YEAH, WELL YOUR EX LET ME SPEAK TO THE TOWN AMNESTY OUR GROWTH BOUNDARY AS ROB HAS ALREADY PRESENTED THAT ARE IN EARLY 2006 THE TOWN OF EMC ANNEXED THE BEND IN PLANTATION UP IN A POCATELLO LEGAL AREA CALM PRIOR TO THAT WHEN THE NORTHERN REGIONAL PLAN WAS FIRST FORMED AND IMPLEMENTED ALL THE ALL MIS SPOUSES CAME AND GAVE A BRIEFING AS TO THEIR INTENT OF EXPANSION EXPANDING THE GROWTH BOUNDARY THE CITY OF BEAUFORT AND EXPANDED FROM THE SOUTH TO THE WEIL BRANCH RIVER UMC UNDER THE LEADERSHIP MICK GOODWIN AT THE TIME SAID HE WAS EXPANDING THE TOWN EMRS BROUGHT BOUNDED NORTH BE ALL RIGHT.

>> SO YOU SAW THAT BOTH MEET AT THE WELL BRANDS RIBAUT IS SOMEWHAT FRUSTRATING TO ME THAT THE TOWN IN CMC IS HOW THEY'RE GOING ABOUT THEIR ANNEX A MAP. THIS IS NO NO NO I'M NOT I'M NOT THROWING ANY STONES AT YOU. I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE PROCESS.

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SO WE WE ARE WE PROVIDE FIRE AND VNS SERVICES TO THOSE AND EXPLANATION.

NOW GRANTED WE STILL GET THE TAX BASE FROM THE LANDS THAT THEY ANNEX BUT WE'RE ALSO PROVIDING THE SERVICES THAT WILL ENABLE THEM TO CONTINUE THIS PROCESS OF WASHINGTON TOWARD THE WELL BRANCH RIVER IF WE CONTINUE THE PROCESS OF PROVIDING THOSE SERVICES FOR THEM. NO, I TAKE ISSUE WITH THAT IS THERE IS A CONVERSATION I'M GOING TO HAVE WITH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, MY COLLEAGUES AND I DON'T KNOW I DON'T KNOW IF BY CHANCE WE CAN PUT A HALT TO THIS AN PROCESS BUT CERTAINLY IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF . SO I JUST WANT TO SHARE THAT WITH THE THE WHOLE COMMITTEE THIS MORNING THAT YOU ALL KNOW WHAT IS TAKING PLACE. I WOULDN'T HAVE PARTICULARS ON

. THANK YOU ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. >> I JUST.

I'D JUST LIKE TO OFFER A CLOSING COMMENT ON THIS ONE. WHEN ALICE AND I BRIEFLY FIVE THOUSAND NINETEEN. IT WAS FOR THE PURPOSE RE VALIDATING THE ENTIRE BURDEN BURGER REGIONAL PLAN CHARTER DEVELOPED BACK IN 2007. I THINK WE FELT WAY BEYOND THAT. WE'VE DONE IT AT SEVERAL OCCASIONS AND NOW TO THE POINT OF BEING SPECIFIC AND IDENTIFYING AREAS APPROPRIATE TO MAJOR CHARTER FOR REGIONAL GROWTH BOUNDARY TO ANNEXATION AND ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE GUIDELINES ARE TENDED TO IT.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE OWNERSHIP OF THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE CHANGES WOULD SEEM TO BE A PLACE FOR ANYONE TO OFFER THAT COMMUNISM WHERE WE COME WITH THIS ISSUE.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT. BUT FOR RIGHT NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT OWNERSHIP.

>> I THINK THAT THE CITY THE TOWN OF THE EMBASSY AND THE COUNTY ARE REALLY HOLDING ALL THE INFORMATION AND DEVELOPING THE INFORMATION THAT'S GOING TO BE PERTINENT TO ADD TO THIS.

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA FROM THE MSE STANDPOINT WHEN YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET CLOSER TO YOUR DISCUSSION OF I CAN TELL YOU IT'S DEFINITELY NOT GONNA BE. WELL, BRANCH OR ANYWHERE REMOTELY CLOSE JESSE WE'RE GOOD . WE WORK ON IT AND I BELIEVE WE SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING PROBABLY WITHIN 60 DAYS. OKAY.

>> THAT'D BE GREAT. SO LET'S JUST SAY THAT IN 60 DAYS WE'LL HAVE AN UPDATE FROM EMBASSY CITY IN THE COUNTY. AND OF NOTE WE ARE COLLECTING ASSETS IMPACT INSTRUMENT DEVELOPMENT, FUTURE SO WE'LL PUT THAT ON THE LIST AND THEN CHOOSE ME DURING.

THANK YOU JERRY. ANY OTHER. JUST WANTED TO SUPPORT WHAT MATT WAS SAYING AND ALSO I THINK THEY ARE HE MENTIONED THE RFP FOR THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLANS THAT THERE ARE GONNA BE GOING THROUGH THEIR CONFERENCE AND PLANNING PROCESS AND I JUST I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THAT PROCESS TO ALSO INFORM THEIR GROWTH BOUNDARY DISCUSSION.

SO IN TERMS OF TIMING IT MAY BE IT MAY BE THAT THIS THE ACTUAL SETTING OF THE GROWTH BOUNDARY FROM THE TOWN'S PERSPECTIVE MIGHT BE LONGER THAN AT THE NEXT MEETING AT THAT.

IT SEEMS LIKE A FLUID PROCESS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT I THINK MAYBE WE'LL JUST HAVE AN UPDATE THE 60 DAYS THAT HOPEFULLY I HAVE SOMETHING MORE DEFINITIVE FROM THAT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT ITEM SEEING NONE. LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM

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OK. SOLID WASTE IS WORKING ON OUR UPDATE.

I HAVE AN UPDATE. COUNTY ALONG TO THEIR SOLID WASTE PLAN AND THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT TOO. I KNOW RIGHT NOW SO. OK.

SO WE'LL PUT THAT ON FOR AN AT THE NEXT MEETING. THAT'S RIGHT.

AND THE AND THAT ALSO GOES TO NUMBER BY TWO AND THAT PLAN THERE.

WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IDEAS FOR CURBSIDE PICKUP IN THE MORE URBANIZED AREAS.

BUT THAT'S BEING SOMEWHAT ADDRESSED TO IN EUROPE. YOU POINT OUT SOME MORE URBANIZED AREAS THEY CAN JUST ANNEX INTO THE MINUTES VALLEYS AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF CURBSIDE THE EQUITY AND EQUITIES OF SOME AREAS OF THE COUNTY BE OFFERED UP SERVICE AND OTHER AREAS NOT

BEING ON THE SERVICE I CAN TRUST. >> THE NEXT ONE COMPOSTING FOOD IF YOU'D LIKE FOR ME TO PLANT THE COUNTY AND JUST WANT TO MAKE A PITCH FOR THIS.

THEY HAVE FOR FIFTY DOLLARS YOU CAN GET YOUR OWN COMPOST CONTAINER JUST CONTACT SOLID WASTE SHANKLIN ROAD. IT'S A BARGAIN BECAUSE THE COMMERCIAL ONES ARE RIBAUT OVER ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS OR MORE. AND THEY'RE VERY NICE IN THEY'RE IN YOUR BACKYARD NICELY AND YOUR DOGS WON'T BE WHICH IS IMPORTANT TO ME. SO THAT THAT THEY ALSO ARE ROBIN. ROBIN JULIANNA MAY KNOW MORE THAN ME ABOUT IT BUT THEY'RE APPLYING FOR A LOT OF GRANTS AND PUBLIC EDUCATION ON COMPOSTING AND RECYCLING TO EDUCATION WAVE. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A LOT OF AGES IN HERE SO I GUESS PROBABLY YOU'RE PICKING UP GS. WHAT IS REASONABLE STORMWATER? SEA LEVEL RISE. THE NEXT ONE IS STORMWATER. YEAH.

ONE OF THE THINGS I COULD SPEAK TO OUR STORMWATER DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN WORKING IN CERTAIN COMMUNITIES. THEY'VE WORKED IN THE SHELL POINT NEIGHBORHOOD LOOK KIND OF DOING A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY OF THE AREA AND LOOKING AT DRAINAGE AND THEY'RE ALSO I THINK THEY LOOKED AT THE OLD TROY COMMUNITY OR THEY'RE GOING TO YEAH.

>> OKAY. AND THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO BE FOCUSING ON ST. HELENA ISLAND.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE ST. HELENA COMMUNITY ON SEVERAL RESILIENCE ISSUES.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS WILL DO IS KIND OF REALLY MAP OUT WHAT HAPPENS TO STORMWATER DURING DIFFERENT EVENT OR DIFFERENT STORM EVENTS. IT'S ALSO TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE IMPACT OF SEA LEVEL RISE ON OUTFLOWS AND HOW THAT IMPACTS DRAINAGE ON THE ISLANDS.

AND SO I THINK THAT WORK IS ANTICIPATED TO BE COMPLETED THIS SUMMER AT THE SAME TIME.

IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO OUR GROUNDWATER YEAH YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THE PRESS RELEASE COME OUT. THERE WAS AN ARTICLE RECENTLY IN THE ISLAND POCKET ABOUT THE GROUNDWATER STUDY THAT'S BEING DONE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. THIS IS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE UNIVERSITY SOUTH CAROLINA COLLEGE OF CHARLESTON, S.C. GRANT CONSORTIUM AND WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM TO INSTALL AT THIS POINT IT'S ABOUT 16 GROUNDWATER MONITORING WELLS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY IN FOUR DIFFERENT AREAS. THAT'S ALL JOY AREA.

SHELL POINT AREA. MOSSY OAKS AREA IN ST. HELENA, SPECIFICALLY IN ST. HELENA.

WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CORNERS COMMUNITY IN WARSAW ISLAND. AND SO THOSE MONITORING WELLS ARE ANTICIPATED TO GO IN IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS HERE. WE'RE STILL WORKING MAKING SURE WE HAVE PERMISSION FROM ALL THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING. BUT THE REVIEW OF WHAT THESE GROUNDWATER MONITORING WELLS ARE GOING TO DO IS COLLECT DATA ON GROUNDWATER LEVELS BENEATH THE SURFACE OF THE EARTH FOR AT LEAST A YEAR. AND WE'RE GOING TO COMPARE THAT TO THE TIDE LEVEL DATA TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE FLUCTUATION OF TIDES AND WHATEVER STORM EVENTS HAPPEN OR DROUGHT EVENTS HAPPENED DURING THAT TIME PERIOD IMPACTS GROUNDWATER BECAUSE THAT WILL OF COURSE IMPACT DRAINAGE BUT IT WILL ALSO IMPACT UNDERGROUND INFRASTRUCTURE. ANOTHER PART OF THAT STUDY WHICH I'M PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT

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IS THE GROUNDWATER TABLE RISING? DO YOU THINK WE'LL FIND OUT FOR SURE, I GUESS. BUT IT'S DEFINITELY ANTICIPATED THAT THERE ARE IMPACTS OF SEA LEVEL RISE ON GROUNDWATER. WE HAVE ANECDOTAL INFORMATION WE PEOPLE LIVE OUT OF WARSAW HARDER AND HARDER TO HOLD INTRUSION. YEAH, TOO BAD.

AND NOT BEING ABLE TO GET A LAND TO PERK RIGHT. AND SO THERE'S WHAT IS HAPPENING IS THAT PEOPLE COULDN'T AFFORD THESE ENGINEERED SYSTEMS CAN BUILD A HOUSE BUT NOT FOLKS WHO DON'T WANT TO PAY THE 30 NELSON OR WHATEVER IT COSTS TO.

COUNCILMAN GLOVER HAS CONCERNS FOR IRRIGATION. YES.

REPORTER SALT SAYS THE MONEY WILL LOOKED AT IT SOME IN SOME OF THESE WELLS AND SOME OF THEM ESPECIALLY OUT MORSE ARE GOING TO BE PLACED NEAR DRAINAGE DITCHES TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN GROUNDWATER AND HOW OUR DRAINAGE DITCHES ARE FUNCTIONING WHICH WE ANTICIPATE THERE IS. BUT REALLY HELP US I GUESS GET THE SMOKING GUN FOR FUTURE FUNDING AND POLICY OPPORTUNITIES.

I TOTALLY AGREE. A LOT OF THAT WE DON'T REALLY SEE.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. HOW DID YOU PREPARE HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THE PLASTIC BAG RECYCLING? OH, I DO.

WE MET JEFF, JESSE AND JULIANA AND ROB GERARD AND CINDY. CINDY CARTER FROM SOLID WASTE JERRY PLOY LOOKS FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS. WE MET AND WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN THE BEST TIME TO START PUNCHING OUT AGAIN REVISIONS TO THE ORDINANCE AND DECIDED TO WAIT TILL JANUARY BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS PROBABLY IN JANUARY ON COUNTY COUNCIL. AND THE CONSENSUS WAS THIS IS MORE MY OPINION THAN OTHERS.

BUT I MEAN THEY AGREED THAT WE COULD JUST DO IT THEN BECAUSE IT WILL BE A NEW COUNCIL AND WE MAKE. WE DEFINITELY THINK THE ORDINANCE NEEDS TWEAKING AND THEN WE CAN DO THAT. AND PRESENTED TO THE MUNICIPALITIES TO SEE IF THEY'RE AGREEABLE TO IT AND DO AN EDUCATION PUSH AGAIN ABOUT IT.

ONE OF THE ISSUES WAS I DON'T KNOW IF I'M WANT TO EXPLAIN THIS RIGHT.

BUT MAYBE ROBERT, JULIANA OR JESSE CAN HELP ME. WHAT ARE THE CONDITIONS WAS THAT WE WOULD MEASURE THE AMOUNT OF PLASTIC BAG WASTE THAT WASN'T BEING COLLECTED ANYMORE? WE DON'T HAVE A WAY TO MEASURE THAT.

I KNOW. CINDY, LOOK TO CARTER LOOKED AT IT AND YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST PROFESSOR. WE CAN'T DOCUMENT THAT WE HAVE LESS PLASTIC WASTE SINCE WE IMPLEMENTED THIS SO THAT MEASUREMENT TOOLS NOT PROBABLY THE RIGHT THING TO PUT IN THE ORDINANCE BUT WE PROBABLY NEED TO YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THAT TOO. SO WAIT WAIT FOR THE NEXT TROPICAL STORM. RIGHT NOW. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

I'LL GO OUT. YOU KNOW, BEACH SWEEP GROUPS DO COUNT WAYS BUT THEY JUST COUNT PLASTIC. THEY DON'T COUNT BAGS SEPARATE FROM OTHER WASTE SO SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF A SOMETHING THAT WE LEARNED WHEN WE MET. THERE'S REALLY NOT A WAY TO MEASURE JUST PLASTIC BAGS THAT AREN'T BEING COLLECTED. WE'RE SEEING MORE AND MORE OF THE BUSINESSES. USING HEAVY DUTY PLASTIC BAGS INSTEAD OF PAPER COULD MOVES TO THE GROCERY STORES THAT ARE STILL USING PAPER. BUT WE NEED A BIG EDUCATION PUSH TOO. BUT WE'RE WE'RE THINKING JANUARY'S ALL RIGHT TIME FRAME TO START THAT UP AGAIN. SO YEAH, IF I COULD ADD I THINK WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING OVER THE REMAINDER OF THIS YEAR COLLECTING ANALYZE, LOOKING FOR WHATEVER DATA WE CAN FIND WHETHER ANECDOTALLY OR NOT AND WORKING WITH THE MUNICIPALITIES TO FIND OUT WHAT VIOLATIONS THEY MAY BE SEEING WITH TYPICAL PLASTIC BAGS BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME BUSINESSES THAT ARE STILL USING THOSE WHAT ISSUES WE ALL MIGHT BE RUNNING INTO WHETHER IT'S WORKING EFFECTIVELY OR NOT FROM THE BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE BUT ALSO FROM KEEPING PLASTIC WASTE OUT OF THE ENVIRONMENT

PERSPECTIVE. >> SO THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ONGOING THING.

I THINK THE CONSENSUS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S NOT TRANSMITTED ON THE REUSABLE

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AND I WILL JUST SAY I'M CURIOUS YOU PLASTIC BAGS ARE OF COURSE COMING FROM THE SAME SAME MATERIAL THAT CREATOR GASOLINE AND WHEN WE HAVE A SPIKE IN GAS PRICES, I WONDER HOW THAT AFFECTS PLASTIC PRODUCTION SO IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THAT THAT INTERACTION IS HAPPENING. I WOULD JUST LOVE TO SEE JASPER COUNTY IN WHAT'S AROUND THIS ISSUE. I DON'T 170 ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD YOU'LL GET PLASTIC BAGS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD YOU GET PAPER BAGS. THESE ARE THE PUBLIC'S GOOD SO FAR TO VOTE BOUGHT. PEOPLE USERS FOLKS WENT TO THAT COMMUNITY AND ITS PLASTIC BAGS HEARTS AND JASPER COUNTY AND NOW AND THEY JUST JUST GIVE THEM TO YOU OR EVEN ASK YOU WHETHER YOU WANT OH WELL MAYBE WE COULD COME BRING THIS UP TO THIS LOCAL GROUP TOO.

I WOULD THINK SO. I TALKED ABOUT IT AND TELL THEM WE'RE GOING TO START WORKING ON IT IN JANUARY AND SEE A PARTY BILL SOME MAILERS AND TOO. WHAT ABOUT YEMEN? ANY IDEA OF AMNESTY AT THIS POINT? THERE'S NO COMMERCIAL OCCUPIED SPACE LIKE RETAIL AND THE B FOR KIND PORTION OF THE SAID THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

LOOKS LIKE JANUARY'S AACO ONE WOULD START ON IT. OF COURSE I'VE BEEN NOTICING THAT YOU KNOW, STORES AROUND AT LEAST THE BEAUFORT AREA THAT I USE HAVE ALL GONE TO PRETTY MUCH PAPER. THERE WAS A STORE IN THE CITY BEFORE A NEWLY OPENED AND THE ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE TOOK ACTION TO GO. PEOPLE DID A NICE SWAYING AND I THINK THAT PROBLEM'S SOLVED. THEY WERE USING THE ROAD JUST TO EDUCATION THAT SHUT DOWN.

I THEY'LL RECOGNIZE THE VILLAGE . HELPERS AND SO COULD THAT BE BROUGHT UP? IT'S A LOCAL YES. WHETHER WE COULD BE HERE NEXT MONTH CAUSE THAT'D BE GREAT. NUMBER 10 AT ELEVEN OUR CREDIT TOGETHER.

IT WAS DECIDED TO TRY AND SPLIT THE BOAT LANDINGS OUT FROM THE COMMUNITY PARKS.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE GOTTEN ANYWHERE ON THAT AT ALL OR NOT. NO, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER I KNOW I CAME UP WITH THAT LIST. WE HAD THE BOAT LANDINGS ON THERE BUT NO APOLOGIZED FOR THAT PARTICULAR DISCUSSION. IT WAS I THINK JOE WAS ONE THAT BROUGHT IT UP AND MADE MORE SINGING THAN ANYBODY ELSE ABOUT TRYING TO SHOW BOAT LANDINGS AS A SEPARATE ENTITY.

>> OK, WELL WE'RE ON ON BERT LANCE'S STILL A LITTLE OUTSIDE OF THE ACTUAL ITEM BUT I DO WANT TO SHOUT COUNCILMAN DALTON, AN OLD FAMILY FRIEND OF MINE FISHES CAN BE LANDING A WHOLE LOT AND THERE WAS A DEAD TREE LODGED UNDER THE FLOATING DOCK WHICH HAS CAPTURED A PILE OF DEBRIS WITH TIDES MAKING IT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO LAUNCH UP TO LAUNCH A BOAT AND SO REACH OUT THE COUNCILMAN DAWSON SINCE IT'S IN HIS DISTRICT I BELIEVE HE INTERACTED WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND COUNTY PUBLIC WORKS IS OUT THERE IN A MATTER OF DAYS CLEARING ALL THE DEBRIS. I'M TOLD THE TREE IS STILL UNDER THE DOCK SO IT'S STILL CAPTURING DEBRIS BUT THE PUBLIC WORKS SAYS THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE HEAVIER EQUIPMENT.

THE TREE APPRECIATIVE OF GENERAL DOSTUM RESPONSIVE. THE COUNTY PUBLIC WORKS WITH

RESPONSIVENESS TAKING THAT ISSUE UP. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

WE'LL WE'LL WE'LL CONTINUE TO RESOLVE THAT ISSUE. >> THANK YOU.

I'M ASSUMING WE'RE STILL MOVING DISCUSSIONS OF FIRE SERVICE OUT NO CHANGED TO ALLOW.

I THINK THAT'S A STICKY ONE. TWENTY. THINK NUMBER 14 REALLY TIES INTO OUR DISCUSSION ON NUMBER ONE I GUESS I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE SINCE I BELIEVE YOU WERE SAYING THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT THE MANDATE FOR NURKIC IS APPROPRIATE AND COMPLETE OTHER THAN THE DEFINITIONS OF THE USE ANOTHER DO WE NEED THIS 14 WOULD YOU NEED NUMBER ONE?

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>> I MEAN WHAT ARE THE OTHER? I THINK THEY'RE BOTH ON THE SAME PAGE HERE.

YEAH I IF I CAN ARTICULATE THIS JUST JOINING THOUGHT THAT I HAVEN'T HAD I'M NOT QUITE SURE OF THE EFFORT HOW WE ORGANIZE THE CONVERSATION BUT I DO THINK THERE IS A NEED TO GET ALL OF THE STAKEHOLDERS FROM THE MULTIPLE JURISDICTIONS AROUND THE TABLE TO TALK ABOUT LAND USE AND GROWTH BOUNDARIES ARE CERTAINLY A FACTOR BUT REALLY IT'S MORE ABOUT LAND USE AND REGARDLESS OF THE JURISDICTION THE EXISTING ZONING THAT IS IN PLACE.

AND SO I WAS GOING TO WAIT TO THE ROUNDTABLE COMMENTS BUT I THINK THIS IS AN ITEM THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO THROW THIS ON THE TABLE. BUT LIKE RIGHT NOW THERE'S A OPPORTUNITY THREAT WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT IN THE SEABROOK FLAMENCO AREA WHERE YOU'VE GOT A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER WHO'S WISHING TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY.

THEY'VE APPROACHED THE COUNTY AND THE CITY. THE COUNTY IS LOOKING AT THE WHOLE LIVE ECO CHEMICAL PLANT TO DEVELOP THAT FOR AN INDUSTRIAL PARK WHICH WOULD FIRE SEWER TO BE BROUGHT ACROSS THE WAY OLD RANCH BRIDGE WHICH COULD POTENTIALLY OPEN UP DEVELOPMENT IN THE DALE MIXED USE AND THE NAIL PRESERVATION DISTRICT WHICH I'M TOLD HAS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DENSITY IT COULD BE ALLOW RESIDENTIAL DENSITY IN SEABROOK WHETHER IT'S ANNEXED INTO THE CITY AND THERE'S SOME ZONING CLASS ASIDE OR WHETHER IT STAYS IN THE COUNTY THERE IS EXISTING ZONING NOW THAT WOULD ALLOW SUBURBAN DENSITIES AND SO I THINK WE HAVE A BIT OF A PERCEPTION THAT BECAUSE IT'S IN THE UNINCORPORATED COUNTY AND IT HAS SALE PRESERVATION WORD IN THE ZONING THAT IT'S GONNA BE HYPER RURAL AND NOT SUBURBAN AND I MEAN TEAL BLUFF IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT I DON'T BELIEVE IS RURAL.

>> IT'S CLEAR CUT. IT'S GONNA BE A SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD IN WITHIN THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARIES AND SO I OBVIOUSLY HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO LOOK OUT FOR THE CITY. I'M ALSO A COUNTY RESIDENT AND I'M REALLY CONCERNED AND I'M SO THANKFUL EMC BEING WILLING TO COME TO THE TABLE ON GROWTH BOUNDARIES FOR US TO HAVE THIS REGIONAL CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THE NORTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY TURNS INTO BECAUSE I'M UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE WERE GONNA WORK DILIGENTLY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE URBAN AREAS WERE TO STAY URBAN AND MAYBE FILL IN THICK ENOUGH. NOBODY LIKES THAT WORD BUT NOBODY LIKES DENSITY EITHER. BUT AT THE SAME TIME WORKING TOGETHER TO TRY TO REDUCE DENSITIES AND PROTECT THESE RURAL GREENBELT AROUND US AND I JUST I LOSE A LITTLE SLEEP AND I'M A LITTLE WORRIED THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT PROTECTIONS IN PLACE AND WE'RE NOT BEING FAIR, HONEST AND THOUGHTFUL ABOUT URBAN URBAN VERSUS SUBURBAN AND I HOPE THAT

THAT MAKES SENSE. >> BUT AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THE EFFORT TO GET EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM TO HASH THOSE THINGS OUT. MAYBE IT'S WITH SOMEBODY LIKE VICTOR DOVER WHO CAN HELP US NAVIGATE THAT CONVERSATION CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF THERE'S SOME EGOS AND THERE'S SOME HISTORY ABOUT THE GROWTH BOUNDARIES.

I THINK THERE'S SOME MISUNDERSTANDINGS ABOUT WHAT GROWTH BOUNDARIES OR WHAT URBAN VERSUS SUBURBAN AND LAND USE. SO THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR EDUCATION.

THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CONVERSATION BECAUSE I THINK ULTIMATELY WE WANT THE SAME THINGS. WE'RE JUST MAYBE USING DIFFERENT LANGUAGE FROM TIME TO TIME. I WILL SAY THAT WE DEVELOPED THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT. ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES AT THAT TIME WAS THE DEFINITION OF WORD ,YOU KNOW, BECAUSE RURAL IS NOT JUST SIMPLY ONE DWELLING FOR THREE ACRE CITY INCLUDES SOME OTHER DISTRICTS IN THE RURAL AREA INCLUDES OUR COMMUTING PRESERVATION PLANTS.

SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS WERE DISCUSSED WHEN WE DID THE THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT AND NORTH REGIONAL PLAN. SO I AGREE THAT I MEAN ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF TALKING ABOUT FUTURE GROWTH AND WHAT WE WANT TO SEE IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY.

BUT NONE OF THE THINGS THAT TEAL BLUFF THAT AREA HAS ZONED TO ALLOW THAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT SINCE I THINK TWO 2003. NONE OF THESE THINGS ARE SURPRISES OR ACTIONS THE COUNTY HAS TAKEN SINCE THE NORTH ORIGINAL PLAN.

IT'S WORKING WITH THE EXISTING TOOLS. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

AND THIS ISN'T A YOU KNOW, CONDEMN OR THROW SHADE ON ANYBODY.

I MEAN WE'VE ALL INHERITED THESE THESE DEVELOPMENT RIGHT THROUGH THESE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS OR THESE ZONING CLASSES WHERE MOST OF US WEREN'T EVEN IN THE ROOM OR AT THE TABLE BAGHDAD WHERE SOME OF OUR BORN THE I WAS GOING YOU JESSE.

SO I DON'T AGAIN IT'S NOT ABOUT IT'S NOT ABOUT BLAME. IT'S JUST THERE'S THIS LEGAL FRAMEWORK OF PROPERTY RIGHTS AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO WORK AROUND IN UNDER AN. SO IT'S MORE IMPORTANT ABOUT WITH ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT PRESSURE THAT WE'RE FACING RIGHT NOW AND PEOPLE WANTING TO BE HERE AND AND PROPERTY OWNERS

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AND IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR TO TO WORK TOGETHER TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE MIGHT REDUCE SOME OF THOSE DENSITIES OR RESHAPE THOSE ME EVEN IF THAT MEANS YOU KNOW, THE CITY, FOR EXAMPLE, PULLS FULL THE GROWTH BOUNDARY BACK ON THE NORTH. I MEAN I'M OPEN TO CONVERSATION. I JUST THINK HAVING THAT RURAL GREENBELT IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US LONG TERM. SO WE DON'T JUST HAVE AN ENTIRE REGION OF URBAN SPRAWL LIKE I MEAN I'LL CALL CHARLESTON AND THE TRI COUNTY AREA RIGHT NOW. IF YOU LOOK AT THE HEAT MAPS, THEY'VE DONE A REALLY POOR JOB OF INTEGRATING COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL SO THAT EVERYBODY GETS UP ON ONE PART OF THE REGION AND DRIVES TO THE OTHER PARTY OR EVEN GO TO WORK EVERY DAY AND THEN GETS OFF WORK. AND I MEAN IF YOU'VE BEEN ON 26 TO SOMERVILLE THE PENINSULA ON ANY GIVEN DAY, IT'S AWFUL. AND I THINK WE HAVE A REAL OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO RESHAPE SOME OF THAT DEVELOPMENT BEFORE IT'S TOO FAR GONE LIKE IT IS IN THAT REGION.

SO NOT ABOUT BLAME. IT'S ABOUT WORKING TOGETHER TO UNDERSTAND I KNOW WE HAVE A GREAT VISION BUT I'M NOT SURE OUR REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT ALLOWS US TO ACCOMPLISH THAT VISION THAT I THINK WE ALL HAVE IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLANTS. AND I THINK THIS IS A PERFECT FORUM TO DO THAT GOING BACK TO TAIL BLUFF. I'VE HAD SEVERAL CONSTITUENTS.

HOW DID THE COUNTY LET THAT HAPPEN? WELL, THE COUNTY LET IT HAPPEN IN 2000. RIGHT TO YOUR POINT, ROB, ANSWER A COMMUNITY BASED PLAN CAME UP WITH THAT ZONING AND THE ONE WAS A SCHOOL BUILT AND WATER AND SEWER EXTEND IT PROBABLY ABOUT SAME TIME BUT I COULDN'T SAY FOR SURE BUT IN AN INTERIM AGREEMENT DIDN'T EXIST AT THAT TIME. ROSENBAUM SO YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S GOOD TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT CUBA WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT JUST HAPPENED AND WITH THE RECESSION OF COURSE NOTHING HAPPENED, RIGHT? RIGHT. I MEAN YOU KNOW THE EMBASSIES INTERLINK AND THIS IS MUCH I LIKE THE WAY IT I'M SURE YOU GUYS SO NOT SEE WE GO DOWN BUT YOU CAN SEE HERE. OKAY, GOOD. WELL HEY YEAH IT'S SAYING YOU KNOW WHAT? WELL, I LIVE IN THE CITY. I GOT A LOT OF MY CLASS PROPERTIES THAT ARE BETTER THAN ALL THE WILBUR RIVER AND I WAS ONE THAT WAS NOT HERE WHEN SOME OF THESE DECISIONS AND ZONING RIBAUT AND AND MAKING NO EFFORT THE WORLD GREAT RIVER RULE YOU KNOW ONE ACRE. I MEAN ONE BLOCK FOR THREE ACRES.

YEAH I'M SURE DIFFERENT FOLKS AFFECTED DIFFERENTLY BY THAT. BUT WE TALK ABOUT FOLKS TRAVELING. YOU KNOW THIS IS THE IS YOU KNOW JUST TO GET FOOD OR TO GET WHERE YOU THE FOLKS LIVE LOTS OF WALES RANCH RIVER THERE IS NO WORK BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE AND WE TALKED ABOUT MAYBE DOING SOMETHING WITH A CHEMICAL PLANT AS SCALES AND THE PROMISE OF THE JOBS THERE IF YOU CAN HELP THAT SITUATION, YOU KNOW THE FOLKS OUT THERE IN THE NORTHERN PART WELL SOME WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THAT AREA RULE. YOU'VE GOT ASKED, YOU KNOW, WHO ARE THE FOLKS BEING REALLY IMPACTED BY IT? IT MIGHT BE NICE TO DRIVE THROUGH THE RURAL AREAS BUT WHAT ABOUT THE FOLKS WHO LIVE OUT THERE THAT DO BY LOCAL DRESSED YOU'LL HAVE TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY INTO THE CITY AND GET THAT OR TO GET GAS.

AND THERE ARE SOME FOLKS WHO ALREADY TALKING WITH ME AND I KNOW TALK WITH GERALD ABOUT THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT THAT TO KNOW A LITTLE PIGGLY WIGGLY JUST OUT THERE THAT BURNED DOWN . THERE'S NOTHING FOR THOSE PEOPLE.

THERE'S NO PLACE FOR THEM TO SHOP WITHOUT DRIVING 15 AND 20 MILES TO GET ANYTHING.

SO YOU KNOW, I HAVE LEARNED PRAYERS FROM FOLKS WHO WERE HERE WHEN THIS ZONING WAS DONE . YOU KNOW THAT THERE WAS A PROMISE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY TAXES WOULD STAY LOW. SO I I'VE DONE STARTED TO THE PROPERTY TAXES ON THE INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAXES SINCE 2003. AND I WAS CHALLENGED TO ONE THAT SHOWED ME WHERE THE FOLKS LIVING OUT IN THOSE RURAL AREAS NORTH OF THE REAL BRANCH RIVER WHERE THEIR PROPERTY TAXES HAVE GONE UP TO LESS THAN ANY PLACE ELSE AND IN SOME PLACES BETTER FAR MORE DENSELY POPULATED HAVE SEEN A LESS OF PERCENTAGE INCREASE IN THEIR PROPERTY TAXES THAN FOLKS LIVING OUT AREAS AND SHELL THE BIG ESTATE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION IS.

YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S WHY I GET HERE AND TRYING TO TALK SOME OF THESE STATES AND SADLY GO FOR IT. BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT CONSIDERING SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT I'VE SHARED. THANK YOU. YEAH, MITCH, I MEAN I'VE CERTAINLY I CERTAINLY HEAR YOU AND I THINK YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY ALSO NEEDS TO BE ENGAGED IN A PART OF THE CONVERSATION. I THINK YOU FROM THE CITY STANDPOINT OUR GOAL HAS BEEN ECONOMIC DIVERSIFICATION, ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY SO THAT RESIDENTS ALL OVER THE REGION HAVE ACCESS TO GOOD JOBS SO THAT THEY CAN MAINTAIN LEGACY PROPERTIES. I ALSO HAVE EMPATHY FOR FOLKS WHO LIVE IN A RURAL PART OF THE

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SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE THERE'S A NUANCED DIFFERENCE IN HOW CAN WE WORK TOGETHER TO MAYBE ENCOURAGE JOB OPPORTUNITIES AND ACCESS TO RETAIL OR AMENITIES BUT BEING CAREFUL NOT TO THROW THE DOOR WIDE OPEN TO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL DISPLACE DISPLACE RESIDENTS AND CHANGE THE SORT OF FABRIC OF A COMMUNITY PLUS PUT UNDUE STRAIN ON TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS. SO AGAIN I THINK THERE'S A NUANCED CONVERSATION WE CAN HAVE ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT RESIDENTS WANT BUT ALLOW US TO FIND SOME BALANCE AND I THINK THAT IS THE KEY. THAT'S FUNNY. LET ME CHIME IN IF I MAY.

MAYOR, TO TRY AND EASE YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE TYPICAL CHEMICAL SITE.

YEAH, THE PLAN IS. WELL, LET ME BACK UP ABOUT TWO THREE WEEKS AGO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR ERIC GREENAWAY GAVE A EXCELLENT PRESENTATION AT THE DAVIS LEARNING CENTER AT DALE COMMUNITY. AND IT WAS IT WAS WELL ATTENDED AND PEOPLE VOICED THEIR CONCERNS AND AND I THOUGHT ERIC DID A GOOD JOB. HANSEN ALL ALL THAT QUESTIONS AND TRYING TO CALM AND EASE SOME OF THE CONCERNS TO YOUR POINT.

MAYOR, YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SEWER BEING EXTENDED OVER THE BRANCH RIVER INTO THAT INTO THE CHEMICAL SITE. AND YES, AS AS THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR HAS MADE THE PROPOSAL OUT OF THE PROPOSAL IS THAT THE STATE WILL COME ACROSS THE BRIDGE, COME UP 21 TO THE ALL RAIL ROAD BED AND THEN COME UP THE RAILROAD THAT INTERNET SITE NOW.

THE PLAN IS TO YOUR POINT ABOUT IT BEING EXTENDED INTO THE DEAL COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICT. THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S A NO NO IT IS NOT LEAVING THAT SITE.

NOW THE PLAN IS THAT THERE WILL BE AN AGREEMENT WITH YOU FOR JUST ONE AUTHORITY THAT WE WILL NOT EXTEND THAT WATER SEWER LINE ANY ANY FURTHER THAN TO THAT SITE.

AND SO I UNDERSTAND YOU ALL CONCERN AND AND RIGHTFULLY SO, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP THIS THIS SITE, THIS COURT TO ACTUALLY MAKE IT MEANINGFUL AND MEANINGFUL BILL.

JOB SITE FOR COMPANIES TO COME IN AND ACTUALLY DEVELOP SOME SOME GOOD PAYING JOBS INTO THE COUNTY WHICH WHICH WOULD PROVIDE INCREASE IN AN ECONOMIC BASE FOR THE COUNTY AS WELL AS ALSO ECONOMIC GROWTH FOR THE COUNTY AND THE CITIZENS OUT THERE IN THE RURAL AREA AS WELL. AND SO WE WE DON'T PLAN TO SUE ANY EXPLOSION OF GROWTH WITH THE SEWAGE COMING ACROSS. BUT IT IS AN AGENDA SPECIFIC THAT GO TO THAT SITE AND THAT'S IT. COUNCILMAN, I'M GLAD TO HEAR YOU.

I'M GLAD TO HEAR YOU SAY THAT. YOU KNOW, I'D LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING SOME LEGAL PROTECTIONS THAT WOULD PRECLUDE SEWER FROM BEING EXTENDED PAST THE SITE BECAUSE WHILE I THINK THERE ARE FOLKS OF GOOD FAITH AROUND THE TABLE TODAY, LEADERSHIP AROUND THE TABLE ISN'T ALWAYS HERE AND LIKE THIS CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE INHERITED SOME OF THESE LEGACY PODS OR LEGACY ZONING THAT WE DISAGREE WITH TODAY, YOU KNOW, ALL OF US PRETTY SOON WILL GO BACK TO OUR CIVILIAN LIVES AND IT WOULD BE DISAPPOINTING THAT SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE WHEN THE SEWER GETS ON THE DAY I WOULD GO HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? AND WE DIDN'T MAYBE PUT THE RIGHT LEGAL PROTECTIONS IN PLACE FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POINT.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROBABLY NO BIGGER CHAMPION FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND FOR WHAT WE CALL PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT IN THE COUNTY THAN THAN MYSELF. AND SO I AM VERY APPRECIATIVE THAT THE COUNTY IS WILLING TO MAKE A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT.

I THINK WE WILL FILL THE COMMERCE PARK IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS IF WORKFLOW THE NATIONAL ECONOMY STAYS AS STRONG AS IT IS. SO THERE IS A REAL NEED FOR US TO BE DEVELOPING ADDITIONAL PRODUCT. THAT BEING SAID, I THINK IT'S A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT ON BEHALF OF THE PUBLIC IN TAX DOLLARS.

AND MY OTHER CONCERN ABOUT LA BIKO IS I'VE NOT SEEN A FULL PRO FORMA OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE IN TERMS OF DOLLARS TO MAKE THAT PARK SITE READY. AND SO BY THE TIME YOU RUN SEWER ELECTRIC, NATURAL GAS, FIBER OPTICS, ROADS, STORMWATER AND INSIGNIFICANT SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL CLEANUP DOES THAT INVESTMENT ON BEHALF OF THE PUBLIC JUSTIFY THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT FROM WHAT AVAILABLE SITES YOU WOULD HAVE WHEN THAT PARK IS READY TO GO? AND I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT LEVEL OF ANALYSIS EVEN THOUGH WE'VE QUIETLY BEEN ASKING FOR ABOUT NINE MONTHS TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. SO I JUST ASK THAT WE DO A LITTLE BIT GO DEEPER DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD BEFORE WE WE RACE INTO A SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC

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AND I I HOPE IT WILL BECAUSE I THINK CLEANING UP THAT SITE IN THE COUNTY HAVING CONTROL OF IT IS A GREAT BENEFIT TO YOU. TO YOUR POINT, MR. LIKE YOU I'M AVID SUPPORTER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND I THINK YOU OF ALL PEOPLE KNOW THAT MORE SO THAN ANYBODY ELSE.

ABSOLUTELY. OK, SO THE CONCERNS THAT WE CAN WITH CONTINUED COOPERATION, DISCUSSION AND WORKING TOGETHER WE CAN WORK OUT ALL THOSE CONCERNS AND CONDITIONS THAT THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO SETTING UP SOME TYPE OF MEETING WITH PERHAPS YOU AND YOUR COUNCIL AND DISCUSSING THIS MATTER FURTHER SO THAT WE ALL WILL BE ON THE SAME PAGE REPORT WHICH IS PROJECT SOUNDS GOOD. AND I'D JUST SAY THAT IS A YOU KNOW AS A GUY WE BOUGHT AT ONE POINT EIGHT MILLION DOLLAR COMMERCE PART EXPECTING THAT IT WAS SHOVEL READY AND THEN WE FOUND THAT THERE WERE SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT DEFICIENCIES THAT WE HAD TO GO BACK BORROW AND STEAL MONEY TO MAKE TO MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS YOU KNOW, PUTTING IN A COPPER DSL LINE WITH ONLY THREE MEGS DOWN WHICH WAS NOT ADEQUATE FOR ANY BUSINESS AND SO HAD TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PUT FIBER IN THE PARK.

NO NATURAL GAS IN THE PARK. SO AGAIN, JUST AS A YOU KNOW, AS FRIENDLY ADVICE AS SOMEBODY WHO ALSO WANTS TO SEE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT WE GO INTO THESE THINGS EYES WIDE OPEN

NEVERTHELESS YOUR INVESTMENT IS YOU KNOW, IS IT NOT? >> IT IS PAYING OFF AND I HOPE THAT YOU KNOW EVERYONE YOU KNOW COUNTY CITY IN THE REGION IS PROUD.

>> A LOT OF GREAT JOBS. LARRY TAX BENEFIT THAT ARE COMING OFF OF THAT COMING OFF OF THAT SITE NOW AND WE'RE JUST GETTING STARTED. WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION. THANKS. WE GOT SOME SITE SPECIFIC THINGS GOING BACK TO THE GENERAL TALKING ABOUT THE LAND USE PLANNING.

I KNOW BECAUSE WE'VE HAD MEETINGS BETWEEN SITTING THE COUNTY THAT PHILOSOPHICALLY WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE MSE HASN'T BEEN PART BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE PROBABLY PHILOSOPHICALLY ON THE SAME PAGE TO WHAT WHAT WHAT I'VE HEARD AND HERE AND MAYBE WHAT LIKE TO SUGGEST IS WOULD IT BE WORTHWHILE TO HAVE A WORKSHOP FOR NURKIC AND AND PUT ALL THESE ISSUES ON THE TABLE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION MAYBE IT TURNS INTO A COUPLE OF WORKSHOPS MAYBE WE DO OVERVIEW TO START WITH SOME PERSONAL DISCUSSIONS FROM EACH MUNICIPALITY IN THE COUNTY AS TO WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN IN THIS PROCESS AND WHAT THEIR PHILOSOPHY IS ABOUT GROWTH AND THEN AND THEN COME TO SOME AGREEMENT SO WE CAN I KNOW IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP OVER AND OVER BY THE MAYOR AT LEAST THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE HAPPENING. I THINK THAT WE NEED TO DO IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE ALL THE GROWTH THAT IS OUT THERE AND POTENTIAL HORRORS THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD WOULD SEE AS A POSITIVE STEP FORWARD . I MEAN I THINK IT HAS TO BE LARGER THAN THIS GROUP AND YOU KNOW, I REMIND MYSELF THERE ARE 11 MEMBERS OF COUNTY COUNCIL AND I THINK THEY'RE ONLY WHAT, THREE APPOINTEES TO THIS TO THIS BOARD?

>> YOU KNOW, FIVE MEMBERS OF YOUR CITY COUNCIL. SO THEIR OPPORTUNITY FOR A LARGER A LARGER GROUP TO HAVE EVERYBODY TOGETHER. YOU LOOK LIKE YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING. I HAVE A SUGGESTION MAYBE A JOINT WORKSHOP BETWEEN SO LOCO AND NERVE BACK AND INVITING THE FULL COUNCIL'S ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES AND JURISDICTIONS A CONCURRENT WE'VE TRIED TO DO THAT BEFORE. I THINK A JOINT MEETING CAN BE WORTHWHILE. THEY DON'T HAVE THE POWER THAT THIS GROUP HAD.

I DON'T MEAN THAT YOU KNOW IN A DEROGATORY WAY THEY JUST MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS BUT MASQUERADE AS CHARTER OR I MIGHT THINK THAT I DO. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO JOINT MEETINGS. I THINK GETTING EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM TOGETHER IS AN OFFICIAL ACTUALLY AT SOME POINT WANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS MAKES SENSE TO HAVE TWO REGIONAL BODIES THAT ARE MEETING SORT OF IN ISOLATION IS THE WRONG WORD BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S SOME OVERLAP BUT AT SOME POINT DOES IT MAKE SENSE FOR US TO HAVE ONE SORT OF JOINT REGIONAL BODY AND A COMBINATION OF SO GO AND AND THE NERVE? I MEAN I THINK MSE IS PROBABLY THE EMBASSY IN THE COUNTY IS THE ONLY OVERLAP YOU GUYS ARE ON BOTH GET ON BOTH BOARDS. BUT IN TERMS OF SPECIFIC LAND USE IN RURAL VERSUS URBAN I

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HER RESPONSE WAS SHOW ME A RURAL AREA. TELL THE COUNTY IF IT'S WOODED IT'S JUST HASN'T BEEN DEVELOPED YET OR IT'S A PUBLIC PARK. SO I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE DEALING WITH THE SAME ISSUES THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH UP HERE.

YEAH, I WOULD AGREE. I THINK I THINK I THINK THE COMBINED MEETING SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT EFFORT. BUT I THINK NORTHERN BEAUFORT COUNTY AND RESOLVING THESE ISSUES AND WHETHER THAT IS A WORKSHOP THAT EXPANDS ITS RAPIDS RAPID REPRESENTATION INTO MORE MEMBERS FROM CITY AND COUNTY MIGHT BE A GREAT IDEA. WELL, WITH THE REDISTRICTING THERE'S ONLY NOT ONLY FIVE PEOPLE REPRESENTING NORTH BEFORE COUNTY FROM COUNTY COUNCIL MIKE AGAIN MIGHT WANT TO WAIT TILL CHANGE AFTER JANUARY SAY YOU KNOW, THOSE PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO JOIN. YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANTED EVERYBODY FROM THE CITY THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN FOR ALL OF US. WHAT'S YOUR SUGGESTION? WAIT TILL NOON. JOE PRESSMAN HAS A SLICE OF NORTHERN BEEF REGALING HIS DISTRICT. WELL, THE REST WILL BE REDUCED BUT I GUESS WHAT'S THE END GOAL OF THE MEAT OF A MEETING WITHOUT USING THIS BODY? WHAT'S YOUR WHAT'S YOUR POINT? I MEAN WHAT'S YOUR END GOAL? IF YOU DON'T USE THIS BODY TO DO THAT I MEAN THIS THIS IS THE BODY THAT DREW UP THE GROWTH BOUNDARIES. I REMEMBER SITTING ALONG THE SIDE OF THE GREAT ANNEX OF WORST AS RAHM LIKES TO CALL IT VERY PAINFUL.

BUT THIS WAS A BODY THAT DID. YOU KNOW WHAT? I DON'T KNOW.

COULD WE USE THIS BODY TO DO WELL? I KNOW.

I MEAN I THINK SO. AND YOU'RE SAYING TO ME THIS IS THE CURRENT FORMAT SO I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO SUGGESTION WAS A JOINT A JOINT MEETING? I'M MAYBE JOINT.

SO LOOK, I MIGHT BE MORE USEFUL FOR OTHER THINGS LIKE THE PLASTIC BAG OR THINGS LIKE THAT. HOW'S THAT LIKE WE'VE DONE FOR HOUSING? WELL, THAT'S I GUESS SO LOOK WHILE THEY'RE WHILE THEY'RE ONLY REVIEW AND DON'T MAYBE

HAVE AS MUCH POWER AS WE DO. >> I MEAN THERE'S BEEN A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF INITIATIVES THAT HAVE COME OUT THERE LIKE THE JOINT STORMWATER MANUAL, THE HOUSING INITIATIVE. SO YOU KNOW, THERE IS LEADERSHIP DOWN THERE.

THERE ARE CONVERSATIONS HAPPENING AND AS SOMEONE WHO'S NOT FORMALLY INCLUDED, YOU KNOW, DOES IT MAKE SENSE FOR PORT ROYAL AND FOR THE CITY OF BEAUFORT TO BE AS A PART OF THAT REGIONAL CONVERSATION OR MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING FOR US TO TALK TO HARRY AND LISA ABOUT. IT SEEMED A LITTLE ODD TO ME IN TERMS OF JUST HAVING TWO REGIONAL BODIES THAT MEET SEPARATE FROM ONE ANOTHER. AND IS THERE WORKSHOP WOULD BE MORE FOR PLAN D JUST TOTALLY LAND TO USE SWITCH? WELL, I THINK AND I THINK LANDRY I THINK ALL OF US POLICYMAKERS AND I YOU KNOW ONE SIDE OF ME SAYS WAIT UNTIL JANUARY. THAT'S AN AWFULLY LONG TIME. IT'S HOW TO SEE IF YOU CAN HAVE NEW PERSONALITIES GIVING THEM AN OFF BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A THERE'S AN EDUCATION COMPONENT THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN ON THE FRONT END ABOUT WHAT ZONING IS WE HAVE.

WHAT ARE SOME OF THESE LEGACY ZONING OR PODS THAT WE WERE SORT OF FORCED TO DEAL WITH? I MEAN THIS I THINK THERE'S A MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT HOW COMMUNITIES DEVELOP.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LIKE LADIES OUT FOR EXAMPLE. PEOPLE THINK THAT BECAUSE THE CITY ANNEXED ALL OF THIS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT JUST POPPED UP OVER THERE.

WELL, I'M OF THE BELIEF THAT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WENT OVER THERE BECAUSE THOUSANDS OF RESIDENTIAL ROOFTOPS THAT FOLLOWS COMMERCIAL FOLLOWS THE RESIDENTIAL ROOFTOPS.

SO LONG IN THE COUNTY THAT THE COMMERCIAL GREW BECAUSE THE ROOFTOPS NOT BECAUSE TAXATION EITHER COUNTY OR CITY. AND I ALSO THINK REMEMBER TO THE PUBLIC WE HAVE THIS IDEA OF RURAL WHEN THE ZONING THAT'S IN PLACE TODAY. I MEAN THE MCCLOUD PROPERTY IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE. I THINK THE COUNTIES COMMENT SAID THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN RELEASING THE EASEMENT SO THAT THE SAID HE CAN ANNEX IT. YET THERE IS EXISTING ZONING THAT WOULD ALLOW I THINK TWO HOMES PER PER ACRE NOT MACLEOD PROPERTY NOT THE TO CONSERVE PROPERTY BUT THE PROPERTY THAT'S NOT UNDER CONSERVATION. IT'S A ONE YEAR PER THREE ACRES . IS IT ONE? YEAH.

OK. >> OK. LET'S GET THROUGH OUR COMING OUT. WE'VE GOT THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT THINGS HAPPENING SAME TIME. SO TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY CAN BE CONSULTED AND DEALT WITH, YOU KNOW, LARGER CONTEXT MAKES A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE. I MEAN YOU STEVE.

MARY, YOU'VE GOT YOUR STRATEGIC PLANNING MEETING. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS SCOPE OF WORK PROJECT FOR LADY'S ISLAND KIND OF THING WHICH HAS SIMILAR GOALS TO IT.

PART OF THE PROBLEM IS, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY SAYING GO BACK 20 YEARS AND

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USE HE MAY HAVE ASSIGNED PERSONALITIES IN THE ROOM. WE DON'T KNOW THAT YOU KNOW SOME BUT IT'S BUT I THINK THE CONVERSATION WE HAVE DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN EVERY MONTH THOUGH AND I THINK THAT IF WE HAVE THE CONVERSATION AND SCHEDULE IT APPROPRIATELY FOR A WORKSHOP, I THINK THAT WE'LL BE A LOT FURTHER AHEAD. I DON'T THINK THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN PHILOSOPHY IN GENERAL, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE MUCH BETTER TO GET SOMETHING DOCUMENTED ON PAPER. SO FROM MY BOSS. CAN WE STATE FOR THE RECORD WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THE WORKSHOP WILL BE? YOU SAY LAND USES I.E. WHAT? WELL WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THE WORKSHOP. I'M I MEAN I HAVE TO TELL ON.

MAYBE ALL OF YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT IT AND GET BACK TO YOU. BUT WE NEED SOME SPECIFIC OR I WOULD SAY SAY OK BECAUSE I'VE GOT EIGHT MINUTES FOR THE SECOND TIME.

CAN WE DEFER THIS TILL NEXT MONTH? WHAT WE WANT OUT OF A WORKSHOP ? I'M THINKING ABOUT THAT. NOT HAVE IT.

THAT'S GOING TO BE THAT'S GOING TO PROCEED. YOUR YOUR OTHER MEETING 28 ARE MEETING. I BELIEVE SO. YEAH.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA. LET'S TALK ABOUT IT AND MAYBE SET UP A SCOPE FOR FOR THE WORKSHOP AND JUST FOCUS GROUP. SO LET'S SAY YOU ARE IN BEING THE WHEEL AND I DON'T KNOW IF I'M SPEAKING OUT OF TURN HERE BUT IS THAT WHAT THE CITY IS PLANNING AND DOING WHAT THEIR STRATEGIC PLANNING MEETING ON IN LATE APRIL? IS THAT A POSSIBLE MODEL FOR AN ENLARGED EXERCISE? I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION BUT WHAT DO YOU MEAN FROM LAND USE? WELL, IN TERMS OF THE NATURE, WHAT'S PUT FORTH OVER COAL COMING IN, I YOU'RE SETTING UP SOME PARAMETERS IN TERMS OF THE NATURE OF THE DISCUSSION. YEAH, I FOR US IT'S ABOUT GETTING CODE . YOU'VE GOT CODE . I THINK IT'S HARD FOR ME TO GO IN AND WE'VE BEEN KIND OF KEEPING A RUNNING LIST OF CODE OF SPECIFIC CODE ISSUES MUCH NARROWER. BUT I ALSO WRITE. BUT I DO THINK SOMEBODY LIKE VICTOR, YOU KNOW, IS THE RIGHT KIND OF GUY TO BRING IN TO FACILITATE A CONVERSATION AMONG ALL AMONG ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS. AND I THINK BETWEEN NOW AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, MAYBE PICK SOME OF THE CONSULTANTS BRAINS AND THOSE YOU'VE GOT ACCESS TO SOME CONSULTANTS. LET'S PUT A LITTLE I'LL PUT A LITTLE THOUGHT INTO WHAT THAT CONVERSATION OR FACILITY YOU KNOW WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND COME BACK.

I'M NOT GOING TO AGREE THAT WE NEED A CONSULTANT FOR THIS BUT LET'S GET THE IDEAS ON PAPER WHAT WE NEED TO DO. I DON'T THINK IT'S FOR THE JOINT NOT NOT FOR OUR JOINT MEETING BUT I THINK WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY WITH THE CONSULTANTS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH FOR OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING AND A REVIEW OF OUR CODE AND WITH WHAT ROB HAS GONE ON, WE CAN ACTUALLY GET SOME GOOD IDEAS AS TO WHAT WE COULD ADDRESS.

I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE DON'T THINK YOU KNOW, WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT WE BRING A CONSULTANT TO DO THE WORKSHOP. I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT I WAS HERE.

OK. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION FURTHER THAN AT THE NEXT MEETING. AND PUT SOME MORE DEFINITIVE INFORMATION ON THE TABLES, MAYBE SET A DATE FOR HAVING A WORKSHOP.

OK, SO LET'S LOOK AT DATES IN YOUR CALENDARS AS WELL. WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT NEXT.

THANKS. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAY JUST MAKE IT BEFORE YOU CHANGE SUBJECTS FROM KIND OF THIS LAND USE AND ENTER INTERGOVERNMENTAL COOPERATION DISCUSSION AND I JUST WANTED TO INFORM THE GROUP THAT A LARGE TRACT IN SOUTHERN JASPER COUNTY THAT'S RIGHT ON THE BORDER COUNTY IT'S OVER TWENTY TWO HUNDRED ACRES. THEY ARE REQUESTING ANNEXATION AND TO HARDY VILLE AND HARDY VILLE HAS CONVENED A MULTI JURISDICTIONAL MEETING FOR MONDAY AT 130 OF THE HARDY BOWL REC CENTER. IT'S THE PROPOSED PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WOULD ALLOW OVER THIRTY THREE HUNDRED NEW RESIDENTIAL UNITS OVER HALF

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AND IN THE IN THE VEIN OF REGIONAL COOPERATION, HARDY VILLE IS BRINGING AND HAS INVITED. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY'VE INVITED COUNTY JASPER COUNTY OFTEN TO ALL COME AND BASICALLY JUST DISCUSS WHAT THIS COULD MEAN FOR THE REGION GIVEN THE EXTENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT. SO IF ANYBODY IS INTERESTED THAT IT'S 130 AT THE HARDY

VILLE REC CENTER. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU, GARY.

YEAH. WHICH IS THE REASON I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT SO WE NUMBER 15 WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT ANY UPDATE OR DISCUSSION? THINK BACK IN NOVEMBER WE JUST SAID THAT WE. IT'S AN ISSUE THAT WE WOULD RECOGNIZE.

YOU KNOW, I GUESS MY INITIALS ARE THERE. I MEAN WE'RE MAKING SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS. WE PROBABLY COULD TAKE THAT OFF A YEAR IN RESPONSIBILITY OR FOR AN ITEM FOR THIS GROUP. THERE'S A LOT OF COOPERATION WHETHER IT'S THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ACLU BEING UNDER THE CYBER SECURITY SORT OF UMBRELLA ECONOMIC CORPSE WORKING PRETTY WELL AND ENGAGED IN A NUMBER OF WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT INITIATIVES.

WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME ADDITIONAL MILITARY TRANSITIONING OPPORTUNITIES AND HOW DO WE CAPTURE FOR THOSE FOLKS MAKE SURE THEY HAVE ACCESS TO TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES TO HELP KEEP THEM HERE. AGAIN, I'D BE IN FAVOR OF STRIKING IT FROM A MORE RESPONSIBLE TO US BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PLAYERS THAT IN THAT SPACE AND MOVING IT FORWARD. OK.

OBJECTION FROM MORE I APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S THAT'S A LOT OF GOOD WORK. NUMBER SIXTEEN THANK YOU, MR. GLOVER WAS THE ONE THAT HAD THAT ON THE LIST. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THIS BOARD WOULD WANT TO DISCUSS AT ALL IN THIS MEETING? WE HAVE SOME INITIAL MAPPING OF THE FIRE THAT IS SEEN NEAR ST. HELENA IN COUNTY. I THINK WE HAD A WE HAD A CONVERSATION SEVERAL MONTHS AGO ABOUT THAT ISSUE AND SOME OF THE MORE AUTHORITY CAME IN AND GAVE SOME MAPS OF THE ACCESS. BUT IT WAS PRIMARILY IN THE RURAL AREAS OF UNINCORPORATED EVER COUNTY AND I THOUGHT THAT THE DIRECTOR WAS THIS COUNTY WAS GONNA MEET WITH BDA WSJ AND THAT WAS REALLY KIND UNINCORPORATED COUNTY CONVERSATION THAT NEEDED TO OCCUR WITH THE FULL COUNTY COUNCIL AND NOT MEMBERS OF THE TOWN BEFORE HERB CITY BEFORE TOP PORT ROYAL. I THINK THE MAJOR, MAJOR CONCERN I THINK WAS THAT WATER OTHER THAN FIRE NOT BE MOVED OUT ANY FARTHER THAT WOULD SPUR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.

>> WELL, I YOU KNOW I RAISED THAT BUT YOU KNOW, ALICE I THINK RESPONDED AND I JUST TALKED TO MAYOR VITO AND I WALKED BACK MY I WALKED BACK MY COMMENTS ABOUT ACCESS TO WATER FOR BOTH FIRE AND PUBLIC HEALTH AND WELLNESS AND I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT SEWER IS ACTUALLY MORE OF THE INDUCEMENT THAN THAT ACCESS TO WATER. SO I I DON'T I DON'T YOU KNOW, DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS AND REALLY DON'T HAVE A DOG IN THAT FIGHT BECAUSE IT ISN'T THE RULE UNINCORPORATED AREA. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS MAP AREAS THAT ARE NOT SERVED BY PUBLIC WATER AND THEN KIND OF PRIORITIZE THOSE NEEDS BASED ON BOTH AREAS THAT WHERE THERE MIGHT BE ISSUES WITH WELL WATER FIRE PROTECTION ISSUES. YOU KNOW, LINES BEING UNDERSIZED THAT THEY CAN'T REALLY HYDRANTS. SO WE'RE JUST.

SO WE'VE STARTED THAT MAPPING EFFORT BUT WE'RE STILL KIND OF INVOLVED.

BUT I THINK THAT'S ONE THAT COULD PROBABLY COME OFF OUR LIST BECAUSE AGAIN, SINCE IT'S RULE IN NATURE, IT'S REALLY A GUESS THAT QUESTION BUILDINGS BECAUSE YOU NEVER YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU SHOULD JUST POINT IN THIS IS A BIG ISSUE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T JUST PUT YOU JUST CAN'T GET WATER LINES ANYWHERE. AND YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SERVICE ON THE LINE ARE YOU HAVE TO DUMP MILLIONS OF GALLONS OF WATER OUT ON THE GROUND EVERY DAY AND

NOBODY WANTS THAT TO KEEP ONE FRESH. >> AND THAT DOVETAILS INTO GROUNDWATER CONVERSATION. RIGHT. SALTWATER INTRUSION UP SO MUCH WILL WORK. THIS WORLD'S GOING TO BE AFFECTED RIBAUT OK, SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE WE'RE DONE WITH THIS. FIRST WE HAVE CURRENTLY.

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WAIT YOU'RE EXACTLY THE TIMELINE BUT THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK IN.

WOULD THAT BE ENOUGH? WOULD THIS BODY BE AN APPROPRIATE PLACE REVIEW SINCE IT IS A REGIONAL PLAN FOR PARKS AND PARKS AND RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES? WOULD THAT BE APPROPRIATE TO BE ADDED TO THE LIST? IT WOULD BE MY FIRST SUGGESTION. THE COMMUNITY PARKS WELL THE COMMUNITY PARKS THAT WOULD BE EXPANDED AND PARKS AND RECREATION TO CONSIDER THE OUTCOME OF THE COUNTY'S CONSULTANT STUDY TO STUDY THAT WILL BE DONE SOMETIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. YOU THOUGHT ABOUT NINE MONTHS. WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME? SO WE HAVE NO WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT COMING TO THIS BODY.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY BE ADOPTED BY THE COUNTY ELK BUT YEAH.

OK. WELL WE'LL PUT IT ON THE LIST THEN AND IT'S JUST GOOD.

UPDATES ON COURTNEY. YES THAT'S FAIR. I MEAN THERE ARE VERY SERVICES.

IT'S A GOOD IDEA. YEAH. I DON'T IT WILL ONLY BE ON THIS LIST THOUGH IF WE DO IT HERE WILL HAVE TO DO IT SO LOCAL AS WELL.

YOU KNOW AGAIN AS YOU KNOW, THE MORE INPUT MORE OUT OVERSIGHT YOU HAVE ON THINGS LIKE THAT IF

YOU'RE GOING TO BE MY SECOND WHAT WOULD BE IMPACT FEES? >> IT MAY BE UNNECESSARY BUT I WOULD SAY COUNCIL LOOKED AT THE PROPOSAL IGAD ON TUESDAY. PREPARE SOME OUTSTANDING SORT OF ISSUES THAT NEEDED TO BE RECONCILED BETWEEN THE IGAD. I BELIEVE THAT'S BEEN COMMUNICATED TO STAFFS HAVE COMMUNICATED. I THINK THERE'S OPTIMISM THAT STAFFS CAN RESOLVE THE ISSUES AND BRING BACK UPDATED IGAD AND FEES FOR CONSIDERATION.

BUT IF FOR SOME REASON THAT DOESN'T OCCUR. I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE A NEED TO GET ALL THE POLITICAL LEADERSHIP AROUND THE TABLE TO GO THROUGH THOSE OUTSTANDING ITEMS AND TO RECONCILE. PERSONALLY I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT SABER RATTLING.

WE'RE ALL A LITTLE GUILTY MYSELF INCLUDED IN THIS IDEA THAT WE WOULDN'T PUT THE IMPACT FEES IN PLACE IF WE CAN'T COME TO SOME RESOLUTION BECAUSE REGARDLESS OF OUR FEELINGS AND MAYBE SOME OF THE FEES MIGHT BE EXORBITANT OR THE MECHANICS. I THINK THERE IS A DEAL TO BE MADE AND GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF GROWTH AND PRESSURE THAT'S COMING AND THE IMPACTS OF THAT DEVELOPMENT WE WOULD BE FOOLISH AS A COUNTY AND MINUTES APOLOGIES TO NOT PUT IMPACT FEES IN PLACE TO BE CAPTURING THOSE MONIES TO PAPER TO HELP PAY FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO I JUST HOPE WE'LL ALL KEEP WORKING TOWARDS RESOLUTION AND GETTING THOSE THINGS OVER THE HUMP. THAT MIGHT MEAN WE ALL GOT TO GIVE A LITTLE ON THE IGAD.

WE ALL GOT TO GIVE A LITTLE ON THE FEE SCHEDULES. BUT I THINK THERE IS A DEAL TO BE MADE AND I JUST THINK IN SOME WAY TO GET REGIONAL LEADERSHIP AROUND THE TABLE TO HASH OUT THOSE DIFFERENCES IF NECESSARY. BUT I'M I'M OPTIMISTIC THAT STAFF CAN DO THAT AND BRING THAT BACK TO LEADERSHIP AND THAT WON'T BE NECESSARY.

BUT IN ADVANCE OF THAT I WANTED TO PUT IT ON THE TABLE FOR ON HERE.

>> IT JUST NEEDS TO BE AN UPDATE AND I DON'T SEE THIS GROUP GETTING INVOLVED IN HASHING OUT FEES RATIONALE THE AGREEMENTS. THAT'S UP TO ELECTED OFFICIALS MUNICIPALITIES ON ACCOUNTING AND THE STAFF WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS REALLY, REALLY LONG TIME. YOU AS YOU WELL KNOW AND I AGREE WITH YOU THAT WE NEED TO IMPLEMENT I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH HAVING AN UPDATE ON THE AGENDA ABOUT IT AT THE APRIL MEETING TO GET MORE LIGHT ON IT.

I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT THE MEDIA IS NOT PICKED UP ON SOME THINGS GOING ON WITH THE IMPACT FEES PARTICULARLY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE NOT BEING COLLECTED SO LONG AS IT'S NOT IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT. A LOT OF REASONS BUT I DON'T I DON'T HAVE AN OBJECTION TO IT. JUST BEING ON THE AGENDA IS AN UPDATE BUT NOT FOR US TO BE

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I THINK AT A CERTAIN POINT IF THE NEGOTIATIONS YOU KNOW, IN PRIVATE STAMPS CAN'T BE CAN'T COME TO SOME CONCLUSION. I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE A NEED TO GET POLITICAL LEADERSHIP, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT'S ALL OF OUR COUNCILS JOINTLY OR JUST SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE ALL SOME YOU KNOW, A COUPLE MEMBERS FROM EACH BODY THAT CAN GET IN AND MEDIATE BECAUSE AGAIN I THINK FROM THE IDEAS WE READ IN THE FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM OUR STAFF AND WHAT WE AGREED ON ON TUESDAY, WE'RE NOT THAT FAR APART. THERE ARE JUST SOME MINOR TWEAKS TO THE IGAD THAT GIVE A LITTLE MORE EQUITABLE GOVERNANCE AND SOME STRUCTURE.

SO I'M I'M OPTIMISTIC WE CAN GET THERE. BUT JUST TO BE THINKING ABOUT IF WE CAN'T GET THERE. HOW DO YOU KNOW HOW DO WE GET IT WHERE WE HAVE TO GET THERE OR WE'RE NOT GOING TO WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE UP AND THOSE YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT I WANT TO SEE THAT NOW I THINK THIS IS. IF I COULD GET AWAY A SPLINTER OF SOMEWHERE BETWEEN WITH MARY SAID AND STEVE, WHAT ELSE WAS SAYING IS THAT I THINK THAT SOMEHOW WE WOULD HAVE TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE IMPACT THE DEAL WITH THE AMOUNT OF BUILDING THAT'S PROJECTED IN THIS IN THE COUNTY AND CITY AND THE NEEDS FOR THINGS LIKE PARKS AND REC SAYS COUNTY'S ONGOING NEEDS IMPROVEMENT MASTERPLAN STUDY WE HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT

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IT NEEDS TO THE PEOPLE THAT'S PAYING THEM THEY'RE THE ONES THAT BENEFIT GREATLY FROM THIS.

SO YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU KNOW, WE AS THE NORTHERN REGIONAL PLANET WOULD FACING COMMITTEE COMES UP WAY IN SOME SORT OF A YES. TO THE FACE OF OUR WAYS AND JUST HOLD IT ON THE AGENDA AS ALEX SUGGESTED, YOU KNOW, IN CASE THE SAPS THE COUNTRY WE HAVE AN EYE TO OPTIMISTIC THAT WE CAN WORK THIS OUT THAT ABOUT MAYBE INVOLVING, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL OF COUNTY AND COUNCIL CITIES. BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO ACTUALLY AT LEAST KEEP WAR ON POVERTY AGENDA SO THAT IT DOESN'T DRIFT OFF BECAUSE OF ITS OF ITS IMPORTANCE. THANK YOU. SO WE'LL HAVE HIM BACK ON THE AGENDA. THE MORE LIGHT WE SHUT ON IF YOU WANT TO GET IT DONE.

MAKE SURE JASPER COUNTY. OK, WE'LL GO TO ROUNDTABLE COMMENTS JUST EVERYBODY GET THEMSELVES A COMPLEX CONTAINER. GO BACK. PICK IT UP WHERE YOU CAN TURN IT FOR ME. GET A NEW LEADERSHIP HAD A MEETING WITH THE NAVAL HOSPITAL LEADERSHIP TOPSOIL GONE TO COUNCIL CITY COUNCIL ADMINISTRATIONS THIS WEEK AND SO I APPRECIATE THE ALICE AND SCOTT CHAMBER HELP ORGANIZE THAT MEETING.

VERY INFORMATIVE ABOUT SORT OF THE FUTURE OF THE NAVAL HOSPITAL AND THE POTENTIAL FOR A I'LL SAY MICRO HOSPITAL MY WORDS ON CASS AMBULATORY CARE. THERE YOU GO AMBULATORY CARE CLINICALLY THERE ON APRIL 12TH IT'S 6 P.M. AT TABBY PLACE THERE IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT MEETING. IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC WHERE NAVY MEDICINE STAFF WILL BE THERE TO HEAR PUBLIC FEEDBACK ABOUT THE BUILDING OF THAT AMBULATORY CARE FACILITY ON GUESTS. SO ENCOURAGE ANY OF YOU IN LEADERSHIP OR MEMBERS THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO ATTEND THAT MEETING APRIL 12TH, 6:00 P.M. BUT THE NEWS IS THAT THAT HOSPITAL GOING ANYWHERE FOR AT LEAST THE NEXT DECADE COMMANDING OFFICER OF NAVAL HOSPITAL SAID THAT 20 30 TWENTY THIRTY TWO IS WHEN THAT AMBULATORY CARE FACILITY WOULD OPEN AND THEN THERE'S STILL AN ISSUE WITH PARRIS ISLAND RECRUITS AND WHERE THEY WOULD BE HELD IF NECESSARY THAT STILL HAS TO BE RESOLVED. SO I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO WORK TOGETHER AND ADVANCE TO FIGURE OUT I THINK WHAT THEY CALL A SOLUTION SET FOR THAT PROPERTY . BUT LONG STORY SHORT IS THE

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YES, THE PUBLIC STREET. NOW IF YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING THAT THOSE THAT DID WITH DEBT

WAS THAT MEETING BY INVITATION NOT HIGHER FOR APRIL 12TH. >> IT'S OPEN TO THAT.

IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING. YES, IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING TO PROVIDE COMMENTS ON THE ENVIRONMENT AS DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FOR THE BUILDING OF THE FACILITY AT THE AIR STATION. RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE OPEN DISCUSSION? YES, MA'AM. WE IN STAFF HAVE BEEN WORKING TOWARDS GETTING A GRANT APPLICATION TOGETHER TO UPDATE THE COUNTY'S ABOVE GROUND HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEY WHICH HASN'T BEEN DONE SINCE THE LATE 1990S AND WE WOULD LOVE TO PARTNER WITH ANY OF THE MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE INTERESTED IN PARTNERING WITH US.

I KNOW NO ONE GAVE ME A SOFT YES SOME SOME MONTHS AGO ABOUT GOING THROUGH AND BEING INCLUDED GRANT OPPORTUNITIES. SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY REACTION TO THAT. WE'RE WE'VE TALKED WITH MATT AND WE'VE TALKED WITH AND SIREN AT HILTON HEAD AND I'VE BEEN COMMUNICATING IRELAND AS WELL THE CITY BUT WOULD LOVE TO LET EVERYONE KNOW ABOUT THE GRANT OPPORTUNITY APPLICATION

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