Feb 22, 2022 Hilton Head Island Town Council

[1. Call to Order]

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AND MR. AMES WILL NOT BE HERE TODAY. OK.

>> CHRISTIAN SHE'S STILL WALKING AROUND MIKE WEAK. CURTIS, GOOD MORNING.

[4. Approval of the Agenda]

WE ARE IN APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA OF APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA THAT GOD WILL THEY RAISE

[5. Workshop Discussion]

YOU WANT TO LEAD ON THIS? YES, SIR. I'LL JUST DOVE RIGHT IN.

>> MR. FRANK RODRIGUEZ AND ERIC GREENWAY, A LATE WE WILL JUST TAKE A PAUSE WHEN THEY GET

HERE. WITH THEM I DIDN'T LOOK GOOD. >> GOOD MORNING.

MAYOR COUNCIL TODAY TO TWO TWENTY TWO. IT'S ALSO MY ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY. SO ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY COMING AS BECAUSE OF THAT.

>> BUT I'M JUST EXCITED TO BE HERE AND IRONICALLY TO PRESENT A HOUSING WORKSHOP.

I COULD NOT HAVE PUT THIS INFORMATION TOGETHER WITHOUT THESE TWO ACROSS THE ROOM HERE SEAN. JAMIE, THANK YOU. THEY HAVE A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE FROM OVER THE YEARS HERE AS IT AS A TOWN STAFF AS WE THINK ABOUT AND TALK ABOUT AND TRY TO IMPLEMENT SOME HOUSING INITIATIVE SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE'RE HERE TODAY TO TALK

ABOUT A FEW THINGS. >> ONE, FOR ME THIS HAS BEEN A GOOD EXERCISE SIMPLY FOR ME TO

LOOK BACK AND SEE WHAT THE TOWN HAS DONE TO DATE. >> AND SO I'LL REMIND US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT TODAY AS A TOWN COUNCIL, AS AN ELECTED BODY.

YOU HAVE ESTABLISHED THREE VERY IMPORTANT PUBLIC POLICIES RELATED TO HOUSING AND THEY COME OUT OF THOSE STRIPED STRATEGIC PLAN FOR HOUSING. THE OUR PLAN AND THIS TOWN'S STRATEGIC PLAN. AND SO THOSE ARE REAL STRONG PUBLIC POLICY DOCUMENTS WHERE I GET MY DIRECTION AND INFORMATION ON WHAT TO DO AND HOW TO MOVE FORWARD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HILTON HEAD ISLAND. WE TOOK A GOOD LOOK AT IT. I'VE LEARNED A COUPLE OF THINGS. IT'S BEEN A GOOD EXERCISE. WE HAVE SOME WORKFORCE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS ON HILTON HEAD. THAT QUESTION HAS COME UP TO ME A FEW TIMES. I'VE ASKED THAT QUESTION MYSELF.

AND SO TODAY PAUSE AND JUST HIGHLIGHT WHAT THOSE THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE.

YOU'VE ALSO ADOPTED SOME STRONGER POLICY OR SOME I WOULD SAY SOME TACTICS BEYOND THE STRATEGIES IN THOSE THREE DOCUMENTS ABOVE. AND SO I'D LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THOSE ARE TODAY AND THEN REALLY WHY WE'RE HERE.

>> IT'S FOR A PROPOSAL. WHAT ARE THE WHAT ARE THE SIGNIFICANT NEXT STEPS AS WE CAN AFFECT HOUSING AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE LOW TO MODERATE? AM I? YOU'RE GONNA HEAR A LOT OF DIFFERENT TERMS OVER TIME. TODAY I'M JUST CALLING IT HOUSING. BUT THE PROPOSAL TO UTILIZE AND FOLLOW THROUGH ON THE USE OF THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN FUNDS AS WELL AS TO TALK ABOUT SOME SOME IDEAS AND A PROPOSAL TO ESTABLISH A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP TO ADVANCE SOME HOUSING CHOICES ON HILTON HEAD

ISLAND. >> SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE TIMELINE.

SO LOOKING BACK A LITTLE BIT IN 2019 THE TOWN COUNCIL ADOPTED THE WORKFORCE HOUSING STRATEGIC PLAN SOON AFTER THE TOWN COUNCIL ADOPTED THE COMMERCIAL CONVERSION WHICH IS A

CONVERSION OF COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE TO RESIDENTIAL UNITS. >> IN 2020 WE ADOPTED OUR PLAN IN 21 WE ADOPTED A DENSITY BONUS WITH A WORKFORCE HOUSING INCENTIVE IN TWENTY ONE.

>> WE AS IS WE REMEMBER WE PROGRAMED THE 5.2 MILLION DOLLARS OF AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN FUNDS AROUND THE SAME TIME THROUGH SO LOCO WHEN OUR PARTNERS IN THE REGION AS WELL AS BEAUFORT COUNTY ASKED STAFF TO BE A PART OF ASSESSING A REGIONAL HOUSING TRUST FUND.

>> AND THEN OF COURSE JUST RECENTLY BELIEVE DECEMBER ADOPTED THE TOWN STRATEGIC PLAN . ALL OF THOSE ELEMENTS HAD HOUSING STRONG HOUSING COMPONENTS TO THEM AND THEN WE'RE HERE TODAY TO 222 A PROPOSAL TO ADVANCE MORE

HOUSING INITIATIVES. >> AND SO THE WORKFORCE HOUSING STRATEGIC PLAN HAD EIGHT RECOMMENDATIONS. I WON'T GO THROUGH THEM ALL. BUT YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDATIONS WERE TO ESTABLISH A HOUSING TRUST FUND, A COMMERCIAL REUSE POLICY.

MAKE TOWN ON LAND AVAILABLE. DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM EMPLOYER ASSISTED TAX AN IMPACT FEE

REBATES AND YOU CAN SEE THEM ALL IN YOU. >> YOU ASKED STAFF AT THE TIME TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE HOUSING TRUST FUND, THE COMMERCIAL REUSE POLICY, THE TOWN OWN

LANDS AND THE DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM. >> WE HAVE NOT STARTED TO DOVE INTO EMPLOYER ASSISTED HOUSING AND THE 6, 7 AND 8 NUMBERS AND ITEMS ON THAT ON THAT PAGE

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I PUT THIS UP HERE ON PURPOSE SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IS STRAIGHT OUT OF A STRATEGIC PLAN THAT YOU ADOPTED. WHEN I'M MAKING IT UP.

IT'S PRETTY SOUND. IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD POLICIES THAT NOT ONLY PROVIDE HOUSING FOR WORKERS BUT PROMOTE THE COMMUNITY ON THE ISLAND. SO WE'RE NOT JUST TRYING TO FIND A HOUSING UNIT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE. WE'RE TRYING TO ADD VALUE TO OUR COMMUNITY, ADD VALUE TO A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THERE SHOULD BE A RANGE OF HOUSING OPTIONS ON THE ISLAND REQUIRES PARTNERSHIPS PUBLIC, PRIVATE AND NONPROFIT A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT LATER AND THEN INCENTIVES FOR HOUSING SHOULD BE APPLIED IN AN EQUAL MANNER SO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS CAN REALIZE THE ECONOMIC VALUE. SO RIGHT OUT OF OUR PLAN THERE ARE SEVERAL CORE VALUES IN OUR PLAN THAT SUPPORT HOUSING AND YOU CAN READ THEM ON THE BOARD FROM ECONOMY STRATEGIES AND ECONOMIC ECONOMY TACTICS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO INFRASTRUCTURE STRATEGY AND OF COURSE WE REMEMBER OUT OF THE TOWN'S STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN IMPLEMENT THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN, ASSESS CREATION OF A REGIONAL HOUSING TRUST FUND AND

IMPLEMENT WORKFORCE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING STRATEGY. >> SO STRAIGHT OUT OF THE

DOCUMENTS SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HILTON HEAD ISLAND. >> CHINA UNDERSTAND CURRENTLY WHAT OUR ISLAND IS IN FROM A PROFILE STANDPOINT. SO IF WE LOOK AT THIS VERY

INTERESTING CHART LET'S SEE IF THIS WORKS. >> NO, I DON'T THINK I WORK.

YOU SEE TOP LEFT POPULATION IN 19 70 TWENTY HUNDRED. POPULATION TODAY BASED UPON THE CENSUS THIRTY SEVEN SIX AND WE'VE BEEN REALLY FLAT OVER THE LAST DECADE.

>> WE'VE CHANGED A LOT HERE. WE KNOW THAT. RIGHT.

SO THE THE THE FOLKS THAT VOTE PERHAPS HAVE BEEN CONVERTED TO FOLKS THAT DON'T LIVE HERE YEAR

ROUND. >> THEY MIGHT OPERATE A BUSINESS HERE.

THEY MIGHT BE ON VACATION HERE. BUT OUR ISLAND IS VERY BUSY FOR SHOWING 38 1 1 5 AND IN 2030.

I THINK THAT ON A DAILY WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE RESIDING HERE TODAY BUT THESE ARE THE NUMBERS WE'RE DEALT AND AND SO WHEN WE REALLY LOOK AT OUR POPULATION IT'S THIRTY SEVEN THOUSAND SIX HUNDRED PEOPLE AS A CENSUS COUNT WHEN WE START LOOKING AT INCOMES WE WE TOOK A LOOK AT AND THIS COMES OUT OF SOME OF OUR MIDDLE ISLAND STUDY AS WELL AS THAT ISLAND BASELINE CAPACITY THAT WE KICKED OFF A FEW WEEKS AGO. YOU CAN SEE THAT MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOMES, YOU KNOW, NORTH END OF THE ISLAND EIGHTY SIX SOUTH AND NINETY THREE OF YOU FOR COUNTY 78 IN THE SAVANNAH HILTON HEAD REGION OVERALL IS DOWN AROUND 70.

WE GET THAT FROM EACH. SARA SSRI WHICH IS THE YOU KNOW, THE GLOBAL POWERHOUSE OVERSIGHT OF ALL GEOGRAPHIC INFORMATION SYSTEM SO THAT DATA ISN'T JUST PULLED TOGETHER BY US BUT ONE THING THAT SHANNON AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A LITTLE BIT IS THIS FOR AN EXAMPLE TAKE A LOOK AT HILTON HEAD ISLAND NORTH AND SOUTH. SO EIGHTY SIX TO NINETY THREE LET'S JUST SAY THAT A MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME APPROXIMATELY TWO POINT TO TWO POINT THREE PEOPLE PER HOUSEHOLD LET'S JUST USE THE NINETY THOUSAND DOLLAR MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME VALUE WHEN YOU START COMPARING IT WITH HOUSEHOLD SIZE AND SO THESE WE FOUR QUICK TABLES HERE AND I'LL EXPLAIN THEM THE FIRST ONE IS 80 PERCENT EMI THE SECOND IS ONE HUNDRED THE THIRD

ON THE NEXT SHEET AS ONE 120 AND THE FOURTH IS ONE 150. >> BUT AS WE LOOK AT A HOUSEHOLD SIZE AROUND THE TWO TO THREE TO FOUR RANGE YOU'LL SEE THAT AT 80 PERCENT YOU 62000 WITH A FAMILY OF FOUR AT EIGHTY PERCENT YES. SEVENTY SIX THOUSAND FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR AT ONE HUNDRED YOU'RE AT NINETY ONE FOR 120 IN YEAR OUT ONE FOURTEEN AND SO WHAT THIS REALLY HELPS US WITH IS UNDERSTANDING NOT JUST GROSS INCOME BECAUSE WE TALK A LOT ABOUT GROSS INCOME AME EMI LOW TO MODERATE A LOT OF THOSE WORDS THROWN OUT A LOT.

>> WELL WE REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT IS WHAT CAN WE RENT IT FOR? WHAT CAN YOU AFFORD IS RENT AND WHAT CAN YOU AFFORD IS MORTGAGE AND THOSE OTHER TWO COLUMNS UP THERE RENT 30 PERCENT INCLUDES UTILITIES. SO LET'S SAY A FAMILY OF THREE 80 PERCENT EMI WHICH IS A FIFTY FIVE THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED DOLLAR HOUSEHOLD INCOME GROSS CAN AFFORD RENT AT THIRTEEN NINETY FIVE AND THAT WOULD MAYBE BE A A ONE TWO THREE BEDROOM UNIT AND ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS MORTGAGE AND THAT'S 5 PERCENT INTEREST NO DOWNPAYMENT AND SO

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UNDERSTAND THE GOAL. >> WHAT IS THE GOAL OR ARE WE TRYING TO BUILD FOR WHO ARE WE TRYING TO RENT FOR WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO SELL AT WHAT PRICE? AND SO THIS SHOULD DEFINITELY BE THAT THAT ANCHOR OF INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP THE FOREFRONT OF OUR MIND

AS WE THINK ABOUT HOUSING CHOICE. >> SO SEAN DID SOME SOME

RESEARCH ON ZILLOW. >> THANK YOU, SEAN. ZILLOW HOME VALUE INDEX FOR ZIP CODE 2 9 9 2 6 2 9 9 2 8. YOU SEE THAT YOU KNOW YOU SEE THE MEDIAN VALUE UP THERE ARE THE TYPICAL HOME VALUE I SHOULD SAY SIX HUNDRED NINETEEN THOUSAND IN ONE AREA OF OUR

ISLAND AND 680 NINE AND ANOTHER FOR YOU. >> WHAT REALLY JUMPS OUT AT ME REALLY ISN'T ONLY THAT NUMBER, IT'S WHAT VALUES HAVE DONE OVER THE LAST YEAR AND THE ZILLOW PREDICTION. I DON'T BASE EVERYTHING ON ZILLOW.

WE KNOW THAT WE CAN YOU KNOW THERE'S A LOT MORE INFORMATION TO GAIN BUT WE'RE USING THIS TO

GET OUT OF THE GATE. >> SO. SO INSTEAD OF JUST USING YES.

SARAI THE CENSUS ZILLOW WE'VE DONE AN ASSESSMENT OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND PERMITS OVER THE LAST YEAR. SO WE APPROVED TWO HUNDRED AND NINETEEN PERMITS, NEW RESIDENTIAL PERMITS AND SO FOR ARGUMENT'S SAKE WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT SINGLE FAMILY RIGHT NOW. AND BEHIND THE GATES REALLY IN THE PD 75 PERCENT OF THOSE HOMES WERE BUILT. I'VE GOT A LITTLE NUMBER HERE THE RANGE ANYWHERE BETWEEN ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS WHICH IS GREAT ALL THE WAY UP TO TWO POINT NINE AND A MEDIAN PERMIT VALUE NO LAND FIVE HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND DOLLARS.

>> SO SOME WITHIN THE RANGE OF THOSE RIGHTS, SOME WITHIN THIS RANGE.

BUT MOST IF IF NOT THE SUPER MAJORITY COMPLETELY FAR OUTSIDE OF THAT.

AND AGAIN IT'S JUST JUST DATA COMMUTING TRENDS U.S. CENSUS AND KIMBERLY HORN AND SOME TRAFFIC ASSESSMENTS TELL US THAT THIRTEEN THOUSAND AND THIRTEEN AND A HALF THOUSAND FOLKS COME TO THE ISLAND EVERY DAY AND CLOSE TO 5000 LEAVE. THERE'S ABOUT 8000 RESIDENTS THAT LIVE AND WORK ON THE ISLAND IN THAT FIFTY EIGHT POINT SIX PERCENT OF THOSE WORK HERE, NOT JUST LIVE HERE. AND THEN THE REST AND YOU CAN SEE 4 PERCENT GO TO BLUFFTON AND BEYOND SOME ALL THE WAY TO NORTH CHARLESTON. BUT A LOT OF EMPLOYED RESIDENTS LIVING AND WORKING ON THE ISLAND. YOU KNOW WHEN WE HAVE THAT THAT BENEFIT TO LIVE AND WORK HERE WHERE WE'RE ALWAYS ABOUT 10 MINUTES AWAY FROM HOME, IT'S JUST THE OTHER THE THE THE OTHER PART OF IT GETTING TO OUR ISLAND.

AND I THINK THOSE ARE SOME GOOD DATA POINTS. >> WHAT DO WE DO WITH IT? I DON'T KNOW YET. SO WHERE ARE THEIR OPTIONS FOR WORKFORCE AND AFFORDABLE LIVING

OPTIONS ON ON OUR ISLAND? >> WELL, WE KNOW THAT IN 2011 THE TOWN DONATED FOUGHT OVER 14

ACRES TO HILTON HEAD HABITAT FOR HUMANITY. >> YOU CAN'T GET ANY BETTER

THAN THE TIMING THE TIMING OF THAT IS PERFECT. >> AND IT'S CALLED THE GLEN IS A BEAUTIFUL, WONDERFUL LITTLE LITTLE COMMUNITY, A LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD FACE ONCE COMPLETE WITH 16 UNITS. PHASE TWO IS UNDERWAY 10 PROBABLY 11 UNITS COMPLETED TODAY. THAT'S IT. IT'S IT'S IT'S REALLY REACHING BUILD OUT AND THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT SUCCESS STORIES TO TALK ABOUT WITH THOSE 14 ACRES AND 32 FAMILIES THAT LIVE LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE'S SEVERAL OTHERS WON'T HAVE TO DOVE INTO A LOT OF SOME OF THEM BEEN HERE A WHILE. SOME HAVE SOME HAVEN'T EVEN HAD

THEIR CEO YET. >> BUT 90 DILLON CEDAR WELLS STILL BE TOP SAND AWARD TERRORISTS HILTON HEAD GARDENS AND I PUT ON HERE 55 GARDENER. RIGHT.

SO I REALLY WANT TO MAKE THE POINT. THIS ISN'T ALL ABOUT GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZED HOUSING IS WHAT WE'VE RESEARCHED. WE'VE JUST RESEARCHED SOMETHING THAT'S NOT MARKET RATE. SO WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS THAT ARE JUST NOT MARKET RATE ON OUR ISLAND AND HOW DID HOW DID THE TOWN OR THE STATE OR SOMEONE ELSE EVEN A NONPROFIT AFFECT THOSE UNITS AND SO PALMETTO BAY LODGES TO SEE PINES COMPANY BUILDING WORKER WORKER HOUSING JUST FABULOUS 16 UNITS RIGHT NOW BUT MUCH, MUCH MORE ROOM TO GROW 55 GARDENER 13 UNITS AT ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY PERCENT OF THE EMI EXCUSE ME AND THEN YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THESE OTHER UNITS THERE. I BROUGHT BACK A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION THAN WE HAD WHEN

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>> YOU JUST SIMPLY SAID YES, IT'S IT'S GOOD FOR THE ISLAND. THIS IS REALLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING. VITUS DEVELOPMENT AND THIS WAS A FEW MONTHS AGO OUR COUNCIL VITUS DEVELOPMENT PURCHASED HILTON HEAD GARDENS FOR A LITTLE MORE THAN 14 MILLION DOLLARS. BEAUFORT HOUSING AUTHORITY ASSISTED WITH FINE IT WITH FINANCING BY ISSUING THE BONDS. THE NEW OWNER INTENDS TO REHABILITATE ONE HUNDRED AND TWELVE UNIT PROPERTY AT ABOUT 50 K PER UNIT AND SO JUST FROM FIFTY K YOU CAN KIND OF START IMAGINING THE IMPACTS WILL PROBABLY BE GOOD BUT NOT OVERLY SIGNIFICANT.

>> BUT THEY THEY SAY THEY'RE GOING TO IMPROVE SITE ACCESSIBLE.

WE REPAIR THE SIDEWALKS AND STEPS RIGHT. THOSE THOSE 88 ELEMENTS JET THE SEWER LINES QUALITY OF LIFE AND THEN SOME EXTERIOR AND INTERIOR UPGRADES AND YOU CAN SEE RIGHT PAINT SIDING, SHINGLES, GUTTERS, APPLIANCES, HARD WIRING FOR FIRE, SMOKE.

SO SOME LIFE SAFETY AS WELL AS SOME FUNCTIONALITY IMPROVEMENTS .

AT WHAT POINT DO YOU WANT QUESTIONS ON THE COUNCIL ANY TIME OR ANY QUESTIONS ON THE FIRST 20 PAGES? ALEX, I'LL HOLD THE MARK FOR THIS.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD QUESTION AT THIS POINT. JUST JUST BY COMPARISON, MARK, YOU YOU PUT UP THE AVERAGE OR MEDIAN INCOMES. WHAT IS A FIRST TEACHER MAKE AND WHAT IS A ENTRY LEVEL FIRE RESCUE FIRST YEAR TEACHERS? THIRTY SEVEN K SCHOOL DISTRICTS HERE TO GIVE ME A BETTER THIRTY SEVEN AND FIRE RESCUE APPROXIMATELY FORTY FIVE.

THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. IRONICALLY I LOOKED THOSE UP TO JUST TRY TO DRAW SOME COMPARISONS BECAUSE WE TALK A LOT ABOUT WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO TRY TO BE A PART OF SOLVING THE

WORK FORCE HOUSING ISSUE. >> BUT I ALWAYS GO BACK TO WHAT'S THE WHAT ARE WE REALLY TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? IS IT FOR A TEACHER? IF SO, THERE'S THE NUMBER.

IF IT'S FOR A FIREMAN. THERE WE GO. THERE'S THE NUMBER.

SO GOOD. GOOD DAY TO HAVE GOOD DATA SO FAR.

ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT AS AS A TOWN COUNCIL WHAT HAVE YOU DIRECTED US AS A

STAFF TO DO OVER TIME AND REALLY WHAT'S CURRENT? >> SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE A COMMERCIAL CONVERSION AND DENSITY BONUS INCENTIVE. WE HAVE A REGION AS AN ASSESSMENT ALONG WITH WITH ERIC GREENWAY WITH THE REGIONAL HOUSING TRUST FUND AS AN ASSESSMENT OF A REGIONAL HOUSING TRUST FUND. WE ALSO HAVE ENTERTAINED HOW TO PROGRAM THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN FUNDS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO US AS A COVERED STIMULUS BILL THROUGH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PASSED DIRECTLY TO THE TOWN.

>> AND THEN YOU ALSO TOLD ME RECENTLY GO ASSESS THE TOWN OWN PROPERTY MAP THAT THE TOWN OWNED ASSET BANK AND LET US KNOW WHAT'S COMPLETELY OFF THE TABLE.

AND ARE THERE SOME PROPERTIES THAT MAKE SENSE IN THE RIGHT LOCATION THAT COULD BE USED FOR IN THE FOUR COULD BE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. IT COULD BEFORE HOUSING AS

WELL. >> SO WE'VE STARTED TO DO THAT AND I'LL SHARE WITH YOU OUR RESEARCH TO DATE. SO WORKFORCE HOUSING INCENTIVES AGAIN JUST ANOTHER PLUG.

>> WE TALK ABOUT IT AS MUCH AS WE CAN. THERE IS A COMMERCIAL CONVERSION CONVERSION OF EXISTING NONRESIDENTIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE TO RESIDENTIAL UNITS. THE DENSITY BONUS WE HAVE ADDITIONAL DENSITY ALLOWED

PROVIDED IN EXCHANGE FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS. >> KEEP IN MIND THAT DENSITY BONUS IS ONLY ALLOWED IN PARTICULAR ZONING DISTRICTS NOT EVERYWHERE ACROSS THE BOARD BUT

IN SUM WE HAVE PREPARED. >> YES SIR. LAST QUESTION PLEASE.

YOU RAISED COMMERCIAL CONVERSION AND THE DENSITY BONUS.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'VE HAD ZERO INTEREST FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY FOR COMMERCIAL CONVERSION WITH THAT ZERO INTEREST FROM THE DELAWARE DEVELOPER COMMUNITY FOR DENSITY BONUS. SO IT'S TIME FOR US TO BE LOOKING TO OTHER TOOLS.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU. YES, SIR.

CAN I FOLLOW UP ON GLENN'S POINT? THE I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY WITH THAT BUT I'D ALSO LIKE US TO REVISIT THOSE TWO OPTIONS. OK, SEE IF THOSE TOOLS CAN MAYBE BE SHARPENED. OKAY. BONUS DENSITY FOR AN EXAMPLE.

THERE'S A 3 ACRE STIPULATION ON IT. BONUS DENSITY MAYBE WE NEED TO REDUCE THAT TO ATTRACT NOT NECESSARILY THE HOMERUN HITTERS AS FAR AS DEVELOPERS ARE CONCERNED BUT MAYBE THE SMALLER DEVELOPERS. THANK YOU.

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THERE ARE SOME THAT HAVE COME FORWARD AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STAYING AWARE OF ALL OF IT. THEY MAY NOT HAVE BEEN THE APPROPRIATE PLACES OR PROPERTIES OR WHATEVER BUT THE FACT IS PEOPLE HAVE COME FORWARD.

>> THANK. >> IT WAS SEVERAL MONTHS AGO THAT I WAS WITH YOU.

AND IT WAS PROBABLY ONE OR TWO WORKSHOPS THAT WE HAD OR EARLY IN MY TIME TO TALK WORKFORCE HOUSING AND I BELIEVE IT WAS MR. LENNOX THAT SAID LISTEN, I WE ADOPTED A COUPLE OF POLICIES

WHAT IS STAFFED ON TO MARKET? >> WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO ADVERTISE? WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO COMMUNICATE IT? BELIEVE IT WAS MR. LENNOX I COULD GO WRONG. BUT WHAT WE'VE DONE AND I THINK IT'S IT'S IT'S DONE WELL.

WORKFORCE HOUSING INCENTIVES AND HILTON HEAD ISLAND LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN WE HAVE AN

APPLICATION FORM. >> IT'S IT IT LOOKS EASY ON THE APPLICATION FORM.

>> ALTHOUGH THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE CROWD HERE THAT WILL TELL ME IT'S NOT WE EMAILED THE INFORMATION PACKETS TO COMMERCIAL REALTORS. WE POSTED IT ON THE TOWN'S WEB SITE. WE POSTED ON LINKEDIN AND OTHER SOCIAL MEDIA OUTLETS AND CALLED AND EMAILED THE GOOD OLD FASHIONED WAY AND INFORMALLY FORMALLY I THINK I DO.

>> I DO SEE SOME SOME COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTS CONVERSIONS OF FORMALLY ACCORDING TO TWO STAFF THAT TAKES A LOOK AT THE PERMITS BASED UPON THE TIME THAT YOU ADOPTED THE POLICY THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY REAL RESULTS YET SO LOUD AND CLEAR.

SO YOU'VE ALSO ASKED TO ASSESS THE REGIONAL THAT WE ASKED TO ASSESS IN THE IN THE SUMMARY.

>> OKAY. YOU ASKED TO ASSESS IN THE HOUSING STRATEGIC PLAN A

HOUSING TRUST FUND. >> AS WE GOT THROUGH THE SOUTHERN LOW COUNTRY BOARD AND IN THE GROUP THAT MEETS WITH YOU FOR COUNTY WE STARTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT NOT JUST A HOUSING TRUST FUND BUT A REGIONAL HOUSING TRUST FUND. AND SO A LITTLE REMINDER FOR US ALL IN SEPTEMBER OF NINETEEN YOU APPROVED ENTERING INTO AN MLA WITH THE COUNTY TO PARTICIPATE IN A COST SHARING CONTRACT FOR CONSULTING TO DEVELOP A REGIONAL HOUSING TRUST FUND AT THE TIME AS I LOOK BACK AT THAT IT WAS REALLY ABOUT YEAH, LET'S LET'S SPEND A LITTLE MONEY, SPENT A LOT LET'S SPEND SOME SOME DOLLARS TO MAKE TO TO UNDERSTAND THIS A LOT BETTER AND COUNCIL APPROVED UP TO TWENTY FIVE K AND IN DECEMBER OF 2020 BEAUFORT COUNTY HAD A CONTRACT FOR A REGIONAL HOUSING TRUST FUND PROPOSAL AND IMPLEMENTATION

PLAN. >> OUR PORTION WAS TWENTY FOUR THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED NINETY THREE HUNDRED AND TWENTY THOUSAND ALMOST 121 SPENT TO DATE OCTOBER MR. GREENWAY WHO'S

HERE. >> HELLO SIR. PRESENTED THE FINAL PLAN THE TOWN COUNCIL THE REGIONAL HOUSING TRUST FUND PROPOSAL AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

>> WE WON'T DOVE INTO IT TODAY BUT IT TALKS ABOUT REVENUE SOURCES.

>> HOW CAN WE FUND IT? THE USE OF FUNDS THE FUND GOVERNANCE AND PARTNERSHIP AND

PROJECT CRITERIA. >> A LITTLE UPDATE SINCE WE LAST TALKED ABOUT IT.

THE COUNTY PROPOSES TO USE COMMUNITY WORKS TO ADMINISTER THE TRUST FUND.

THAT'S STILL ACCURATE, SIR. GOOD. THE COUNTY WILL PRESENT THE TOWN WITH DOCUMENTS TO REQUEST PARTICIPATION IN THE TRUST FUND AND TO HIRE TO HIRE COMMUNITY WORKS AND ALLOCATE THE FUNDS. COUNCIL SOON YOU CAN CONSIDER THOSE OPTIONS AND DECIDE WHETHER A REGIONAL HOUSING TRUST FUND IS IS FOR YOU FOR US ,FOR THE COMMUNITY OR NOT.

>> AND THE TRUST FUND REALLY IS TO FILL GAPS, RIGHT. SO IT'S NOT A DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION PER SAY. IT'S A FUND THAT FILLS THE GAPS OF FINANCING AND A STRATEGY FOR

LAND ACQUISITION AND DEVELOPMENT. >> THE COUNTY'S PROPOSING A POTENTIAL DISTRIBUTION OF THEIR AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN FUNDS 250 K UP TO 500 WITH A COUPLE CONDITIONS ALLOWING THE FUNDS TO BE USED TOWARDS THE TRUST FUND INITIALLY AND YOU WILL SEE

THIS IN THE COMING MONTHS. >> WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS IS IS WHAT'S HERE IN FRONT OF US THE REGIONAL VERSUS LOCAL HOUSING. YES, SIR. I'D LIKE TO TAKE A BREAK A SECOND NOW AND BRING UP DR. RODRIGUEZ AND ERIC CERTAINLY FITS RIGHT INTO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. RODRIGUEZ, I SEE YOU IN THE BACK.

YES, SIR. PLEASE JOIN US. WE WANTED TO GO WHERE YOU.

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THANK YOU. OKAY. ABSOLUTELY.

>> LIKE RODRIGO IS ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO SEE YOU, SIR. PLEASURE TO SEE YOU.

THANK YOU. >> GOOD SIR. WELL, I HAVE, UH A FEW MEMBERS OF MY TEAM HERE FROM BEAUFORT COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT. THEY HAVE OUR CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER TANYA CROSBY AND I HAVE CAROL CRUTCHFIELD FROM OUR OPERATIONS TEAM.

>> AND I THINK THE FIRST THING I WOULD DO IS JUST SHARE A COUPLE HIGHLIGHTS WITH YOU AND THEN I'LL ASK THEM TO COME UP AND SHARE A LITTLE MORE IN-DEPTH WITH YOU.

I THINK YOU ALL RECEIVED A LITTLE INFORMATION ON THE SCHOOL IMPACT FEE A FLYER THAT WE HAD PUT TOGETHER WITH SOME INFORMATION. SO UP PRIOR TO MY ARRIVAL I KNOW THAT THE COUNTY HAD BEEN EXPLORING IMPACT FEES AND THEN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WENT ALONG INTO CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNTY ON IMPACT FEES AND AN APPROVED MOVE FORWARD WITH THE

IMPACT FEES. >> THERE HAD BEEN A PROJECT REVIEW LIST THAT THEY HAD IDENTIFIED AS AS NEEDS. I THINK ONE OF THE CRITICAL COMPONENTS ON IMPACT FEES FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS THAT WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY WAY OF RAISING DOLLARS FOR CAPITAL MAINTENANCE FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS CAPITAL DOLLARS THAT WE CAN USE OTHER THAN REFERENDUM'S A PERCENT FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS AND THEN OF COURSE IMPACT FEE COMPONENT.

>> SO THE SCHOOL BOARD DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IMPACT FEES.

THE STUDY WAS DONE BY TISCHLER BASS. AND IN THAT IN THAT STUDY THEY IDENTIFIED THE SOUTHERN AREA OF THE COUNTY AND FOR US OUR SERVICE AREA IS ALL OF SOUTHERN BEAUFORT COUNTY SOUTH OF WELL THE SOUTHERN PORTION BLUFFTON OKATIE HILTON HAD ALREADY BUILT. HOWEVER, IN THE NORTHERN BEAUFORT COUNTY BECAUSE OF THE SPACE AND CAPACITY AVAILABILITY IN NORTHERN BEAUFORT COUNTY I WAS DETERMINED IN THAT STUDY NOT TO APPLY IMPACT FEES TO NORTHERN BEAUFORT COUNTY. SO THE GROWTH AREA FOR US IS IN . IN TERMS OF OUR SERVICE AREA IT'S SOUTHERN BEAUFORT COUNTY AND FOR US ALL OF IT IS ONE SERVICE AREA. WE DON'T LOOK AT IT BY MUNICIPALITY. FOR US IT'S IT'S A WHOLE SERVICE AREA.

WITH THAT IN MIND, I'LL ASK MISS CROSBY TO COME FORWARD. GOOD MORNING.

I UNDERESTIMATED THE LENGTH OF TIME IT WOULD TAKE TO GET TO THE NORTH FROM THE NORTHERN MOST BEAUFORT COUNTY ALMOST IN YEMEN C TO HERE. SO I LEFT TWO HOURS AHEAD OF TIME BUT IT WASN'T QUITE ENOUGH. SO I APOLOGIZE FOR ALLOWING US TO BE A LITTLE FLEXIBLE THIS MORNING AS DR. RODRIGUEZ MENTIONED, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND THOSE ARE REFERENCE VOTER APPROVED REFERENDUM AND OUR 8 PERCENT PROJECTS AND THOSE AFFECT TAXPAYERS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COUNTY IMPACT FEES OR ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL REVENUES AND OFFSET A LITTLE OF THAT NEEDED NECESSARY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS IN ORDER TO LOWER THE BURDEN ON ON ALL OF THE TAXPAYERS IN THE COUNTY .

>> IT CAN'T BE USED FOR NORMAL OPERATIONS OR MAINTENANCE. THOSE ARE FOR OUR GENERAL FUND OPERATIONS OR 8 PERCENT BUT IT IS A ONE TIME PAYMENT FOR GROWTH RELATED INFRASTRUCTURE USUALLY COLLECTED AT THE TIME THE BUILDING PERMITS ARE ISSUED.

THE MONEY HAS TO BE SPENT WITHIN THREE YEARS OF A SCHEDULED DATE OF CONSTRUCTION AND WE HAVE TO PRODUCE AN ANNUAL MONITORING REPORT AND THE STUDY.

I THINK WHAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON WAS THAT THE STUDY MUST BE UPDATED EVERY FIVE YEARS SO THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO SEE IF THE NEED IS STILL PRESENT AND IF THE FEE AMOUNT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED OR IN ANY WAY AND THAT AGAIN MUST BE VOTED ON BY THE

BODIES AT THAT TIME. >> THE IT REQUIRES AN ANALYSIS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHICH HAS

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THE MAXIMUM FEE IN A SINGLE FAMILY UNIT NINETY FIVE NINE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED THIRTY FIVE MULTIFAMILY UNIT FOUR THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED FIVE HUNDRED EIGHT.

>> THE REVENUE THAT CAN BE GENERATED THROUGH THESE ARE ESTIMATED TO BE ABOUT 8 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR AND OVER A PROJECTED 10 YEAR PERIOD 80 MILLION DOLLARS WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT IN HELPING US TO OFFSET ANY TAXES THAT ARE NEEDED FOR CONTINUED EXPANSIONS OR ADDITIONS OF SCHOOLS. SO AGAIN IT HELPS TO LOWER THE BORROWING ON UPCOMING PROJECTS AND WE WOULD GO. WE WOULD USE IT ON A FEE OF PAY AS YOU GO BASIS.

SO USING THE DOLLARS EACH YEAR ACCUMULATED OVER A COUPLE OF YEARS TO GENERATE TO PAY DIRECTLY TO THOSE PROJECTS IN THE IN THE SERVICE AREA. AND LASTLY ON ON THE FINANCIAL SIDE OF THINGS SCHOOL DEBT MILLAGE WE GENERATE ABOUT TWO MILLION DOLLARS PER MIL ON SCHOOL DEBT MILLAGE SO AT EIGHT MILLION DOLLAR SOURCE OF REVENUE WOULD POTENTIALLY SAVE ABOUT 4 MILLS AND TAX REVENUES OF JUST JUST LOOK FORWARD TO FURTHER CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU AND I THINK MISS CRUTCHFIELD MAY HAVE MORE INFORMATION ON THE GROWTH IN THE CAPITAL PROJECTS SIDE BUT WE DO HAVE A MAJOR RENOVATION PLANNED BOTH IN THE CURRENT REFERENDUM AT HILTON HEAD MIDDLE THIS YEAR BUT ALSO WE'RE BEGINNING SOME DESIGN PROJECTS FOR HILTON HEAD HIGH SCHOOL WITH THE WITH THE ANTICIPATION OF MAKING SOME MAJOR RENOVATIONS AND POTENTIALLY EXPANDING THE CLASS SIZES OR EXCUSE ME CLASSROOMS

EITHER AT THE HIGH SCHOOL OR ONE OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS. >> SO WE DO HAVE A LIST OF PROJECTS OR A PROJECT IDENTIFIED FOR ADDITIONAL CLASS SPACE IN THE HILTON HEAD AREA.

SO WITH THAT CLEARLY ANYTHING TO ADD OR YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YES, SIR.

YES. THE IMPACT THE IS SOUTH OF THE COUNTY THE ALL THAT KNOWLEDGE IS COUNTY Y. YES. YES.

THE IMPACT FEE FOR A SINGLE DWELLING YOU INDICATED WAS NINE THOUSAND PLUS.

YES. WHAT IS IT TODAY? ZIVA EUROPE.

CORRECT. >> WOULD YOU COLLECTING IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS OF YOU FOR COUNTY CURRENTLY? AND SO THAT IS THE ONLY AREA THAT IS CURRENTLY COLLECTING

REVENUE. >> HAVE YOU TESTED THIS YET WITH THE REALTOR ASSOCIATION OR WITH THE AREA BUILDERS? AFTER REVIEWING THIS WE WELL I HAVE SPOKEN IN FRONT OF THEM BUT WE HAVE NOT HAD AN IN-DEPTH PRESENTATION TO THE REALTORS ASSOCIATION.

>> OBVIOUSLY YOU WOULDN'T BE DOING THIS UNLESS YOU THE CAPITAL TO NECESSARY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS IF THIS VEHICLE TURNS OUT TO BE UNTENABLE. WHAT ARE THE ALTERNATIVES ASSUMING YOU STILL WANT TO GO AHEAD AND ACCUMULATE A PER YEAR 80 IN TOTAL OVER 10 SO THE FIRST PART OF YOUR QUESTION JUST AS A HISTORY COMPONENT FOR FOR US IN BEAUFORT COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT AS I MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING THERE'S LIMITED WAYS FOR US TO ADDRESS

THE CAPITAL NEED. >> RIGHT. AND AS A SCHOOL DISTRICT WE WERE UNSUCCESSFUL IN PASSING A REFERENDUM FOR OVER 11 YEARS AND SO.

SO WE JUST RECENTLY THANK YOU TO OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OUR COMMUNITY WERE ABLE TO ADDRESS A LOT OF CAPITAL MAINTENANCE NEEDS THAT WE HAD WITHIN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WITH THE PASSAGE OF THE REFERENDUM IN 2019.

WE BEGAN THAT WORK SO SO THAT THAT HAS BEEN VERY, VERY HELPFUL.

AND IN US GETTING OUR FACILITIES. SO WE'RE STARTING TO GET OUR FACILITIES TO A BETTER PLACE FOR A MORE CONDUCIVE LEARNING ENVIRONMENT.

BUT YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY PROJECT REVIEW COMMITTEE THAT WAS FORMED TO LOOK AT THAT REFERENDUM HAD IDENTIFIED WELL OVER SIX HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF PROJECTS.

WE COULDN'T DO THAT. SO. SO WE WE WENT IN 2019 WITH A THREE HUNDRED AND FORTY FOUR MILLION DOLLAR BOND REFERENDUM WHICH THANKFULLY PASSED IN OUR

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GRATEFUL FOR THAT. >> SO SO THIS IS ANOTHER WAY FOR US TO ADDRESS NEEDS TO YOUR SECOND PART OF YOUR QUESTION. I'M SORRY. CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? I WAS SO FOCUSED ON HOW I WAS INTERESTED IF YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO USE THIS VEHICLE.

YES. WHAT ARE THE OKATIE ARE AVAILABLE IN A REFERENDUM AN 8 PERCENT DOLLARS ARE THE ONLY CAPITAL PROJECTS WE HAVE AVAILABLE SO WE HAVE CERTAIN

LIMITATIONS. >> WE GENERALLY SPEND 20 TO 25 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR ON 8 PERCENT PROJECTS. THOSE ARE ROOF REPLACEMENTS HBC MAJOR PAINTING OF SCHOOLS AND MAJOR EQUIPMENT UPGRADES THAT MAY NEED TO OCCUR. WE HAVE NO FINITE LIMITATIONS ON THOSE DOLLARS. THE ONLY OTHER ALTERNATIVE IS A REFERENDUM BOND REFERENDUM IF THERE IF I MIGHT ELABORATE ON THAT A LITTLE BIT I THINK THE TOWN COUNT SHOULD KEEP IN MIND THAT THE IMPACT FEES FOR SCHOOLS OR ANY IMPACT FEE DOES NOT APPLY TO REDEVELOPMENT.

>> SO IF YOU HAVE PROPERTIES THAT ARE BEING REBUILT, BEING TORN DOWN, REPURPOSED AND THINGS LIKE THAT SCHOOL IMPACT FEES WOULD NOT BE APPLICABLE IN THOSE PARTICULAR CASES.

WHEN MR. ORLANDO WAS SPEAKING TO THE CONVERSIONS OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES WHILE THAT WOULD COMMERCIAL CONVERSION COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TO RESIDENTIAL WOULD TRIGGER A SCHOOL IMPACT FEE. IT WOULD BE OFFSET BY THE REDUCTION OF OTHER IMPACT FEES SUCH AS TRANSPORTATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT CALLED PRESUMABLY THE UP FROM COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE BEING REDUCED. SO THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES IN THOSE PARTICULAR CASES WOULD BE REDUCED A LITTLE BIT. IF IT'S A WORKFORCE HOUSING PROJECT THE COUNTY COUNCIL HAS A FUND WHEREBY THE COUNTY COUNCIL CAN EITHER PAY A PORTION OF THOSE IMPACT FEES TO TAKE THE BURDEN OFF OF PEOPLE DOING AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR TO PAY THE FEES ENTIRELY IF IT'S 60 PERCENT OF ANNUAL MEDIAN INCOME INSTEAD OF 80 PERCENT.

>> SO IF IT'S 80 PERCENT OF AN ANNUAL MEDIAN INCOME THE COUNTY COUNCIL WOULD PAY UP TO 60

PERCENT OF THE IMPACT FEE FOR THAT FUND. >> THEREFORE REDUCING THE BURDEN ON THE PERSON DEVELOPING THAT IF IT'S BASED ON 60 PERCENT OF EMI THEN THE COUNTY

COUNCIL WOULD PAY 100 PERCENT OF THE IMPACT FEE. >> ERIC IS THAT CHISELED IN STONE? IT IS CHISELED IN STONE. IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE IMPACT

FEET ORDINATES THAT WAS ADOPTED BY THE COUNTY COUNCIL. >> AND THEN THE THIRD THING I WOULD POINT OUT TO YOU TO TWO ADDITIONAL THINGS IS THAT WHILE THERE IS NO GROWTH HERE RIGHT NOW THAT AT I THINK ONE OF THE PREVIOUS CONCERNS IS YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE

SCHOOLS HILTON HEAD ISLAND. >> IF WE DO THIS AS YOU ALL REDEVELOP THESE PROPERTIES AND ARE SUCCESSFUL IN WORKFORCE HOUSING AND FOR FIVE, SIX YEARS THERE MIGHT BE A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL CAPACITY TO THE HILTON HEAD ISLAND SCHOOLS. THE IMPACT THE STUDY HAS TO BE UPDATED BY STATUTE EVERY FIVE YEARS IN ORDER TO KEEP PACE OF THE CHANGES IN THE DEMOGRAPHICS. AND THEN FINALLY I WOULD POINT OUT TO YOU THAT YOU ARE ON HILTON HEAD ISLAND AND WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR IT BECAUSE OF THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTIES HERE.

THE ARE ALREADY BEARING A LOT OF THE BURDEN OF COUNTY SERVICES AND FEES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IF YOU HAVE TO DO A REFERENDUM THAT'S PAID BACK TO AVALON TAXES AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO ADD THESE SCHOOLS ALL OVER THE COUNTY, THEN THAT'S GOING TO GREATLY IMPACT THE PEOPLE ON THE ISLAND THAT OWN PROPERTIES WHERE THEY'RE PAYING ON OFF NON OWNER OCCUPIED PROPERTY TAXES RESIDENTS NOT SO MUCH SO FULL TIME RESIDENTS BUT NON OWNER OCCUPIED PROPERTIES WOULD PAY A GREATER BURDEN OF THOSE OF THOSE PORTIONS OF THE FEES

FOR WHEN A REFERENDUM AS OPPOSED TO THE IMPACT FEE. >> SO IN MY OPINION THE IMPACT FEE SCHOOL IMPACT FEE IS A GREAT WAY TO BALANCE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PEOPLE BUILDING NEW HOUSING THAT CREATES THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL SCHOOLS AND INFRASTRUCTURE VERSUS THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN LIVING HERE LONG TIME ARE HAVING PROPERTY HERE THAT LIVE HERE FULL TIME WITHOUT HAVING TO PAY THAT DIFFERENCE. I SEE THE VALUE.

I SEE THE VALUE. GENERATING X MILLIONS OF DOLLARS A YEAR TO HELP WITH EDUCATION. I THINK THAT'S THAT'S PUBLIC GOOD.

LIKEWISE PUBLIC GOOD CAN BE SERVED BY THE DEVELOPMENT OF WORKFORCE HOUSING IN I APPRECIATE THE DEGRADATION OF THE FEE BASED UPON THE PERCENT OF WORKFORCE IN A PARTICULAR PROJECT. I WOULD JUST CHALLENGE ALL OF US TO THINK ABOUT WAIVING

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STANDPOINT. >> YEAH, NOW LET ME ELABORATE ON THAT IF I MIGHT.

THE STATE STATUTE DOESN'T ALLOW A TOTAL WAIVER OF THE IMPACT FEE.

SO WHEN I SPEAK TO WAIVER OF IMPACT FEE BECAUSE EVEN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS YOU HAVE TO KEEP EVERYTHING IN THE IMPACT FEE STATUTE. YOU HAVE TO KEEP EVERYBODY ON A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD WHETHER IT'S A HOUSE THAT'S GENERATING A LOT OF YOU KNOW THAT'S FOR MARKET RATE HOUSING OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THE IMPACT TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IS THEORETICALLY STILL THE SAME. SO IT'S ALL IMPACT FEES ARE ALL ABOUT PROPORTIONAL SHARE OF PAYING FOR THAT SERVICE. SO THAT'S WHY THE COUNTY COUNCIL HAS TO HAVE A SEPARATE FUND TO PAY THOSE THE IMPACT FEES FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING AND WE'RE HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DOING MORE AT 80 PERCENT THAN A 60 PERCENT

REDUCTION. >> WE CAN PUT THAT LANGUAGE ON THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON HAS REQUESTED THAT WE LOOK AT THAT AT THIS POINT. WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.

SO IF YOU ALL SAID WELL IF IT'S 80 PERCENT A AMA WE WOULD LIKE FOR THOSE TO BE CONSIDERED FOR THAT 100 PERCENT WAIVER FROM THE COUNTY FUND. THEN WE CAN HAVE THAT

DISCUSSION WITH YOU ALL AS WELL. >> BUT I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU ALL AS TOWN COUNCIL TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU ALL TO TAKE A LEADERSHIP POSITION IN THE COUNTY ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE WITHOUT HAVING A DETRIMENTAL IMPACT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND TO REDEVELOPMENT ON THE ISLAND BECAUSE A LOT OF THE REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT WOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY THESE FEES AND THOSE THAT DO IF IT'S WORKFORCE HOUSING THEN THE IMPACT FEE FOR SCHOOLS WOULD BE GREATLY REDUCED.

>> IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE MY EXPLANATION RIGHT NOW JUST PLAIN MUNICIPALITY OR DOES THE

COUNTY HAVE THE VOTE? >> WELL, THE COUNTY HAS ADOPTED THE SCHOOL IMPACT FEE FOR UNINCORPORATED AREA SO THE WAY THE STATUTE WORKS AND IT WOULD NOT APPLY TO YOU ALL BUT IF IF THE IF AN UNINCORPORATED AREA ADOPTS AN IMPACT STATUTE AND THEN A MUNICIPALITY ANNEX IS PROPERTY THAT IS BOUND BY THAT IMPACT FEE AND THE AND INCORPORATE AREA THE COUNTY THEN THAT ONE USE POWDER EITHER HAS TO COLLECT THAT IMPACT V OR THEY HAVE TO AGREE TO PROVIDE

THAT SERVICE. >> YOU ALL DON'T PLAN TO ANNEX ANY NEW PROPERTY OUTSIDE OF YOUR EXISTING BOUNDARIES SO IT WOULD NOT BE APPLICABLE TO YOU ALL.

SO IF YOU IF YOU ADOPT AN IMPACT FEE AND YOU WANT THE MUNICIPALITIES TO COLLECT THAT IMPACT FEE THEN YOU HAVE TO ENTER INTO AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT WITH THOSE MUNICIPALITIES TO COLLECT THAT FEE AND TURN THAT MONEY BACK OVER TO THE AUTHORITY MANAGING THE FEE FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT SO YOU WOULD TRANSFER THE MONEY TO US.

>> WE WOULD PUT IT IN A SEGREGATED ACCOUNT AND THEN WE WOULD TRANSFER THE FUNDS TO THE

SCHOOL DISTRICT. >> REPHRASE THE QUESTION IF BLUFFTON AND HARDY WILL PROVE THE IMPACT FEE AND WE DON'T KNOW THAT A POSSIBILITY IT IS A POSSIBILITY MR. GREENWAY, YOU MENTIONED IT THE STATUTE DOES NOT ALLOW FOR WAIVING THE IMPACT FEE BUT YOU CAN PAY UP TO 100 PERCENT OF THE THE STATUTE ON ALLOW THE IMPACT FOR YOU TO BE WAIVED.

>> IT HAS TO BE PAID REGARDLESS BY SOMEONE THE COUNTY COUNCIL UP TO THIS POINT.

>> AND THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE HAS SAVED FOR WORKFORCE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNDERNEATH THE SCENARIOS WE'RE GOING TO PAY THIS FEE. TO THE IMPACT FEE ACCOUNT ON BEHALF OF THOSE DEVELOPERS THAT ARE A DEVELOPING WORKFORCE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WHAT WAS THE FUNDING SOURCE GENERAL FUND. COUNTY GENERAL FUND COMING AT THE WAR ON TAXES AND AVALON TAXES AND OTHER AND OTHER REVENUES GENERATED FROM FEES.

>> SO NOT TO BELABOR THE POINT BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. I THINK THERE WAS A REPORT, DR.

RODRIGUEZ THAT THE POPULIST WITHIN THE SCHOOL PARTICULARLY HILTON AIRED HAVE INCREASED AGREE WITH THE HISPANIC POPULATION. RIGHT.

AND WE ARE LOOKING TO PROVIDE A AN ENVIRONMENT FOR FOLKS TO LIVE, WORK AND PLAY ON HEALTH TODAY. OK. AND THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IS DEFINITELY A BIG PART OF THAT AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE WE'RE SUPPORTING BUT WE

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I MEAN THEY ADMIT THEY MAY GET LOST IN THE ROUNDING ON A MILLION DOLLAR HOME ON THE BEACH BUT THAT COULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE AS TO IF SOMEONE'S GOING TO LIVE ON HILTON HEAD OR NOT FOR SOME OF THESE FAMILIES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE THAT I THINK NEEDS TO BE FIRST AND FOREMOST IN OUR CONVERSATIONS.

AND WE KNEW WE'D DO THAT SAME THING. SO THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW INSTANCES IN THE LAST YEAR OR TWO WHERE FOLKS I'VE BEEN PLACING DWELLINGS ON THE OPPOSITE ISLAND AND THEIR INCOME LEVELS INDIVIDUAL INCOME LEVELS WERE SUCH THAT WE COULD PAY THEIR IMPACT FEES FOR THEM. AND WE HAVE A PROCESS SENSE INTERNALLY AT THE COUNTY TO WORK WITH THE TOWN IN ORDER TO DO THAT. WE FILL OUT THE PAPERWORK, WE SEND IT OVER TO THE TO OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT. AND WE PAY THOSE IMPACT FEES

INTO THE APPROPRIATE ACCOUNTS THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO MANAGE. >> I MEAN I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE FINANCIAL IMPACT. IT SAYS MAXIMUM FEE AND THEN IT GIVES THE SINGLE FAMILY UNIT AND THEN A MULTI FAMILY UNIT PRICE.

I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE BREAKDOWN OF HOW THE FEES ARE CALCULATED.

AND THEN JUST ALSO INTERESTED I GUESS SOMEWHAT TO WHAT MR. BROWN WAS REFERRING TO A SINGLE FAMILY UNIT BEING CLOSE TO DOUBLE. YEAH.

>> SO IT'S ABOUT PROPORTIONAL SHARE AGAIN THE IMPACT THE STATUTE THE STATE OF SOUTH

CAROLINA WORKS ON PROPORTIONALITY. >> SO FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN MOST FOLKS THINK THAT A LOT OF FOLKS BECAUSE THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND MULTIFAMILY DEMOGRAPHICS VERSUS SINGLE FAMILY DEMOGRAPHIC I THINK THAT THERE'S MORE CHILDREN ACTUALLY THAT LIVE IN APARTMENTS OR MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS THAN SINGLE FAMILY.

>> ACTUALLY THAT'S NOT TRUE. IT ONLY TAKES 33 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO ON AVERAGE TO EQUAL THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN THAT LEAVE IN ONE HUNDRED APARTMENTS OR MULTI-FAMILY UNITS IN A GIVEN DEVELOPMENT AREA. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S THAT'S WHY IT'S MUCH LARGER FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME BECAUSE THE IMPACT TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM BASED ON THE CONSULTANT'S REVIEW AND WORK STATISTICALLY PROPORTIONATELY IS MUCH GREATER TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAN IT IS FOR MULTI-FAMILY HOMES BECAUSE PROPORTIONATELY MULTI-FAMILY

HOMES HAVE LESS CHILDREN AND UNDERSTANDING. >> AND THANK YOU FOR THE EXPLANATION. I JUST WONDER ON HILTON HEAD SINCE WHAT WAS IT? TWENTY NINE PERCENT OF THOSE PERMITS AND PROBABLY MANY OF THE 71 PERCENT BEHIND THE GATES PERMITS ARE I GUESS OUR STATISTICS WILL START TO BEAR THIS OUT AS WE GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. BUT FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS WHERE THERE ARE NO FAMILIES LIVING IN THOSE HOMES. AND SO IT IS JUST A NUMBER OF PIECES TO THE PUZZLE THAT FOR ME NEEDS TO BE PUT TOGETHER IN TERMS OF HOW THAT REALLY APPLIES TO TO OUR SITUATION HERE. I WOULD MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL WE WON'T TAKE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME UNTIL THE VERY END AGREES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING.

SORRY BRIDGE SLOWED YOU DOWN? >> NO, NOT AT ALL. BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR FOR HAVING US. APPRECIATE SEEING ALL OF YOU AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT ALL THE TIME. SO APPRECIATE IT. THANK.

THANK YOU. EVEN IF YOU WORK, YOU GET GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, MR. ORLANDO.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU, DR. RODRIGUEZ.

ERIC, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. ALL RIGHT. WHERE WERE WE? WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE ASSESSMENT THAT WE WERE A PART OF FOR A HOUSING TRUST FUND.

>> IN FACT, WE STARTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT A REGIONAL HOUSING TRUST FUND.

RIGHT. NOT A LOCAL HOUSING TRUST FUND .

WE'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF WORK. COUNTIES BRINGING IT FORWARD.

THEY'RE GOING TO SOON ASK US IF WE ARE IF THIS IS REALLY A GO OR NO GO.

AND I THINK AT THIS POINT THEY SIMPLY WANT AN ANSWER AND I'LL BRING THAT FORWARD TO ALL OF YOU IN AN APPROPRIATE AGENDA IN THE WEEKS OR MONTHS TO COME. SO REAL QUICK THOUGH FOR TODAY'S PURPOSE, I'VE REALLY ASKED THE QUESTION I'VE HAD THE QUESTION ASKED OF ME A FEW

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TRUST FUND? >> SO WE REALLY STARTED TO DOVE INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT ABOVE AND BEYOND THE PROPOSED ALL THAT CAME TO US FROM THE COUNTY AND REALLY FOR TODAY'S PURPOSE IS JUST I WANT TO MAKE A POINT HERE THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN HOUSING TRUST FUNDS ACROSS

OUR COUNTRY AND SOME ARE REGIONAL AND SOME ARE LOCAL. >> WHEN YOU TALK TO WHEN WE TALK TO OUR OUR FRIENDS AND PARTNERS IN CHARLESTON, THEY HAVE A LOCAL HOUSING TRUST

FUND. >> THEY DO NOT IT IS NOT A MAJOR PIECE OF THEIR BUSINESS

BUT IT'S NOT A REGIONAL MODEL. >> AND THERE ARE OTHER EXAMPLES OF SUCCESSFUL REGIONAL MODELS WHICH WE'VE SAW IN THE CONSULTANT'S REPORT. SO UP HERE AND JUST FOR ARGUMENT'S SAKE I TRY TO COMPARE REGIONAL VERSUS LOCAL, RIGHT.

>> REGIONAL LOCAL DOLLARS POOLED FOR REGION FOR THE REGION TO ADDRESS REGIONAL HOUSING NEEDS. THE PRIORITY OF THE DOLLARS ARE BASED UPON THE BOARD.

WE WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE A SEAT ON THE BOARD. IT WOULD DEFINITELY HELP A REGIONAL MODEL. THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES REGIONALLY.

I DO THINK THAT WE COULD MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE PROJECTS ON HILTON HEAD ISLAND THAT BENEFIT FROM THE REGIONAL HOUSING TRUST FUND. RIGHT.

AND SO THE GOAL OF THIS ISN'T TO JUST TAKE A DOLLAR AND GET OUT OF IT A DOLLAR IT'S TO LEVERAGE REGIONAL DOLLARS TO BENEFIT THE DEAL AT HAND AND THAT DEAL COULD BE WITHIN THE REGION AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE LOCAL I WON'T I WON'T GET INTO BUT THOUGH THE LIKELIHOOD OF A LOCAL REGIONAL HOUSING TRUST FUND IS 100 PERCENT IN OUR FAVOR IF IT'S LOCAL IT'S NOT 100 PERCENT. OVER TIME IF IT'S REGIONAL AND I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER

OF WHAT IS IT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE. >> I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING HERE IS A REGIONAL TRUST FUND THAT IS SUPPORTED BY THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND.

HOW MANY OF THOSE DOLLARS WILL COME BACK TO ASSIST WITH THE HOUSING NEEDS HERE ON HELPING AN ISLAND VERSUS OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY? AND SO THAT'S THE SENSITIVE PART OF ALL OF THIS. I SEE VALUE IN REGIONAL PARTICIPATION AND COOPERATION.

BUT WHEN IT GETS DOWN TO SPENDING DOLLARS, THAT'S WHERE TAXPAYERS GET IN AN UPROAR.

AND FOR GOOD REASON IN MY OPINION. UNDERSTOOD.

UNDERSTOOD. >> THANK YOU. GO TO REGIONAL THE LAST BOOK REGIONAL. THAT SEEMS TO BE CONFLICTING LANGUAGE TO ME.

SO I OBVIOUSLY DON'T UNDERSTAND . WOULD YOU CLUCK? IN OTHER WORDS, I'M READING THAT WE HAVE A HIGHER RESOURCE GAP ON THE ISLAND WHICH EQUALS LESS LIKELIHOOD OF LOCAL PROJECTS. I WOULD THINK WOULD BE THE CONVERSE AND WE'LL DOVE IN YOU YOU'VE DOVE INTO THE REGIONAL MODEL.

>> YEAH. THAT ROUTE NOT THAT RELATES TO THE SORT OF BARRIERS TO PROJECT'S TOTAL COST OF LAND, COST OF MATERIALS AND MATERIALS GO UP AS YOU CROSS THE BRIDGE.

AND SO THE RESOURCES NEEDED TO TEMPLE ON A PROJECT HERE VERSUS AN PARTIDO OR IN BLUFFTON ARE GREATER BECAUSE THE COSTS ARE GREATER. YOU KNOW WE LOOKED AT MEDIAN PERMIT VALUES WITHOUT LAND. THAT LAND BARRIER IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER HERE THAN IT IS. SO THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T HAVE A LESS LIKELIHOOD OF GETTING PROJECTS HERE LOCALLY WITH A REGIONAL MODEL IT WOULD SEEM THAT YOU'RE DEVELOPING A WIDGET OF IRELAND AND A WIDGET ON AISLE AND THEN CAR WIDGETS WOULD BE MORE EXPENSIVE.

SO SHOULDN'T WE BE ASKING FOR PROPORTIONATELY MORE? WE WE ARE DONOR MUNICIPALITY ALWAYS HAVE BEEN PROBABLY ALWAYS WILL BE. WE'RE A DONOR COUNTY STATEWIDE AND THIS IS NO DIFFERENT IN THE SPIRIT OF REGIONAL REGIONALISM. IT MAKES SENSE TO CONSIDER SOMETHING LIKE THIS. HOWEVER THERE IS A CONFLICT EMBEDDED IN THE BUSINESS MODEL IN AND OF ITSELF AND THE CONFLICT INVOLVES LOCAL DOLLARS GOING REGIONALLY AND HOW DO WE ANSWER TAXPAYERS WHEN THEY ASK WHY ARE YOU ALLOWING OUR LOCAL TAX DOLLARS TO BE USED REGIONALLY? AND I GUESS THE ANSWER WOULD BE BECAUSE THOSE REGIONAL PRIVATE PROJECTS ARE SUPPORTING WORKFORCE HOUSING AND WORKFORCE ON THE ISLAND.

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WHEN CONSIDERING A PROJECT ON HILTON HEAD ISLAND HAS TO CONSIDER THE HIGHER COST OF THE CONSTRUCTION. AND HOW CAN THEY JUSTIFY THAT? AND THOSE TWO ISSUES ARE EMBEDDED IN CONFLICT IN THIS BUSINESS MODEL. AND THERE'S NO WAY AROUND IT.

WELL, MAYBE WE SHOULD THINK THE TEEING OFF MR. LENNOX'S COMMENTS THAT OF FROM A REGIONAL STANDPOINT IF WE TAKE THE PERSPECTIVE THAT ALL SHIPS RISE WITH THE TIDE AND ALTHOUGH WE COULD BE PARTICIPATING REGIONALLY, THAT WOULD NOT PRECLUDE US DOING OUR OWN LOCALLY ALSO CORRECT. GREAT. SO WITHOUT HAVING JUST IN

REACTION TO THIS. >> AND TOM'S WELL SPELLED OUT CONFLICT THERE'S ANOTHER CONFLICT IN THE WAY THAT CONFLICT I THINK MIGHT UNFOLD IS THAT UNDER THE VERY BEST CIRCUMSTANCES, OUR VERY BEST EFFORTS WE WILL NEVER SATISFY ALL OF OUR WORKFORCE HOUSING

NEEDS ON THE ISLAND. >> AND YET. AND SO PERHAPS IT MAKES SENSE TO HELP CONTRIBUTE TO THOSE OFF ISLAND THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THOSE WORKERS WHO COME ONTO THE ISLAND. I MEAN WE'RE CERTAINLY BUILDING A BIG BRIDGE FOR THEM.

SO THAT THAT PIECE CAN BE CHECKED OFF. >> SO I THINK THAT'S THE OTHER CONFLICT WHEREAS THE DOES DESIRE FOR WHAT'S OUR GOAL ON THE ISLAND?

>> IT CAN'T BE IN MY OPINION WHAT'S OUTLINED IN THE HOUSING CONSULTANTS REPORT BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY IN TERMS OF LAND ON THE ISLAND TO SATISFY THAT NEED IN THAT WAY.

SO I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER CONFLICT THAT CERTAINLY EXISTS. >> WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FOLKS

WORKING WHO WORK ON THE ISLAND, NOT LIVING ON THE ISLAND. >> PEOPLE GET VERY UPSET.

SO THOSE ARE A LOT OF THE PIECES THAT HAVE TO BE TEASED OUT THAT WE REALLY HAVE TO

THINK ABOUT. >> IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS ONE OR THE OTHER.

AND SO THAT'S A CONVERSATION I'D REALLY LIKE TO HAVE IS WHAT IS OUR GOAL? AND OUR HONEST GOAL AN HONEST GOAL OF WHAT WE CAN TRULY ACCOMPLISH AND AND THEN WHAT?

>> BEYOND THAT AND IF IT'S NOT ON THE ISLAND, DOES A REGIONAL HOUSING TRUST FUND MAKE SENSE THEN BUT TO BEGIN WITH? I THINK THAT THE IDEA OF MANAGING OUR OWN NEEDS SHOULD STAY LOCAL MAKES SENSE. SO I DON'T EVERYTHING ON THIS HAS TO BE A MR I THINK GOD HERE IS MAKING A LOT OF SENSE THAT WE HAVE WE HAVE A CONSULTANT REPORT THAT SAYS WE HAVE A SHORTAGE OF THIS FOR US HOUSING ODDS ARE WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY HERE TO ADDRESS THAT SO WE NEED TO AGREE VERY PRAGMATICALLY ON A METRIC THAT IS DOABLE INSTEAD OF JUST THIS SELF FLAGELLATION ALL THE TIME SAYING WE DON'T HAVE IT, WE KEEP TRYING AND WE'RE NEVER GONNA GET THERE. SO LET'S LET'S HAVE A REALISTIC GOAL AND THEN WORK TOWARD IT.

SO IN A WAY I WILL MEET WITH YOU TODAY. WE WILL SIGN THIS TO ONE OF THE COMMITTEES AND WE'LL BRING IT FORWARD. THE SECOND MEETING IN MARCH FOR A VOTE THINGS CAN'T GO ON FOREVER. TO DISCUSS IT OUT WILL THE MAKE A VOTE? ALL RIGHT. JOSH, YOU GOT THAT? I KNOW MARCH. ALL RIGHT. I RAN OUT OF ROOM ON MY FAVORITE TO WRITE I MEAN MOVE ON HERE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST BACKING UP. AND A QUICK REMINDER BECAUSE WE STOPPED BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO

TODAY IS TALK ABOUT WHAT'S CURRENT. >> WHAT ARE WE WORKING ON? WHAT ARE WE WORKING ON WHEN EVERYBODY'S AT WORK AND A PROPOSAL? SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE TALKED QUICKLY ABOUT THE CONVERSION, THE DENSITY BONUS.

>> WE HAD SOME GOOD FEEDBACK. I GUESS WE GAVE SOME RESULTS HOUSING TRUST FUND.

WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. A QUICK REMINDER. AUGUST 19TH WAS A GOOD DAY.

WE RECEIVED AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN FUNDS SHORTLY PRIOR. YOU KNOW, SHORTLY BEFORE THAT PRIOR TO A LOT OF OTHER MUNICIPALITIES COUNTIES IN OUR STATE IN SOUTH CAROLINA, PRIOR

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SO REAL QUICK, A MILLION DOLLARS EARMARKED TO THE COMMUNITY FOUNDATION A MILLION DOLLARS A TOWN HALL FACILITY FOR SECURITY TECHNOLOGY. A MILLION DOLLARS INTO HOUSING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WAS THERE WAS CLEAR. WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT AT THAT TIME ABOUT THE PATTERSON TRACT AND THEY'LL SHARE SOME UPDATES WITH RIBAUT THAT FINALLY FIGURED OUT HOW TO USE THIS 400000 THOUSAND DOLLARS TOWARDS A HOME REPAIR PROGRAM.

>> TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TOWARDS LATERAL SANITARY SEWER CONNECTION IN GRANTS AS WELL AS WE SIMPLY PARKED ONE POINT SIX MILLION DOLLARS IN PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE WITH A TBD THAT COULD BE ROAD WATER, SEWER, STORMWATER, BROADBAND. IT COULD BE A LOT OF THINGS BUT IT'S PARKED THERE FOR A LITTLE BIT. FIVE MILLION TWO HUNDRED AND TWENTY SEVEN THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY EIGHT DOLLARS TO BE SPENT.

SO YOU ASKED AND WE ARE IN MOTION TO ASSESS OUR TOWN PROPERTIES.

>> BIG JOB LOTS FILE CABINETS, LOTS OF WORK. WHAT WHAT WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT IS THAT WE'VE TAKEN THE FILE CABINETS AND WE'VE CONVERTED IT TO A GEOGRAPHIC INFORMATION SYSTEM MAP. THE MAP IS INTERACTIVE SO IT'S NOT JUST A STATIC MAP WITH NICE COLORS. YOU CAN CLICK ON THE PARTICULAR PIECE AND WE CAN START LEARNING ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR PIECE IN REAL TIME. AND AS IT EFFECTS USE IT WILL

TELL US HOW IT WAS BOUGHT WHEN IT WAS BOUGHT. >> ARE THERE ANY COVENANTS? ARE THERE ANY RESTRICTIONS? WHAT ARE THE FUNDING SOURCES? AND SO WHAT WE STARTED TO DO WHEN I'M NOT THERE YET. AND SO THE QUESTION WAS SHOULD WE PUSH THIS MEETING OFF? I DIDN'T WANT TO. YOU KNOW, I WASN'T GOING TO PROPOSE A LET'S LET'S TRY THIS AGAIN. WHAT I SUGGEST IS THAT RESPECTFULLY THIS IS A BIG TO DO AND WE WANT TO GET IT RIGHT. WE'RE ON VERSION 3 OF IT. REALLY I WOULD SAY V3 OF THIS ASSESSMENT AND ONE ORDINANCE ONE PRESS RELEASE, ONE FILE AT A TIME OVER FOURTEEN HUNDRED ACRES THROUGH TIME. AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT'S GONE INTO IT.

BUT THE GOAL AT A CERTAIN POINT AND WE'RE NOT THERE TODAY TO VISIT IS TO ELIMINATE THE UNTOUCHABLES. LET'S PAINT THEM DARK GREEN. LET'S PUT A COVENANT ON THEM AND LET'S SAY THEY'RE OFF THE BOOKS FOREVER AND LET'S BE REAL CLEAR THAT WE CAN'T CONVERT BEACH PARK OR A PUBLIC PARK TO A HOUSING OR A HOTEL OR IF YOU KNOW A JOB.

>> RIGHT. SO THERE'S THERE'S RESTRICTIONS ON THESE PROPERTIES.

BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO SOME THAT WERE BOUGHT WITH TIFF DOLLARS OR TAX REVENUE DOLLARS OR CERTAIN INSTANCES WHERE THE REAL ESTATE TRANSFER FEE ACQUIRED, BUILT OR DEVELOPED OR ENTITLED PROPERTY AND WE CAN DOWN ZONE. SO IT'S NOT AN EASY ANSWER OF YES OR NO. IT'S NOT A GREEN OR RED ON A MAP THAT I CAN EASILY SHOW YOU.

SO I ASK THAT YOU GIVE GIVE US A LITTLE MORE TIME AND THAT IN ABOUT 30 45 DAYS THAT WE COME BACK HERE AND WE SHOW YOU THE INTERACTIVE MAP THAT WE SHOW YOU THE WHICH PIECE WAS BOUGHT WITH WHAT FUNDING SOURCE CURTIS HAS DEFINITELY BEEN CLOSE BY AS I'M LOOKING AT THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME. I KNOW JOSH HAS SOME EXPERIENCE.

SEAN HAS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE AS A TEAM. >> IF WE ALL DON'T KNOW WE COLLECTIVELY BLAME SEAN BECAUSE HE SHOULD KNOW AND SEAN JUST LOOKS AT CURTIS AND WE'RE RIGHT, YOU KNOW. BUT I THINK THE GOOD PART OF THIS IS THAT WE'RE SCRUBBING

IT IN. >> SO IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT LAND ACQUISITION FUNDING SOURCES, BEACH FEE BONDS AND SEVERAL BONDS, SEAN, YOU SAID THERE WERE FIVE BONDS.

WHAT WERE THE YEARS LIKE NINETY SEVEN TWO THOUSAND TWO THOUSAND SEVEN OR THREE AND YEAH.

OK. >> SO THERE WE GO. REAL ESTATE TRANSFER FEE H TAX TIFF MONEY. VIP FUNDS AND FUNDS COULD BE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

STORMWATER UTILITY MOVED SOME STORMWATER UTILITY FUNDS WHERE WE'RE USED TO ACQUIRE DITCHES AND EASEMENTS AND AND WHATNOT. REAL ESTATE TRANSFER FEE REQUIRED MOST OF THE CORRIDOR

OF WILLIAM HILTON PARKWAY. >> THE BEAUTIFUL GREEN CORRIDOR WAS BOUGHT WITH REAL ESTATE TRANSFER FEE BUT SO WERE SOME PROPERTIES THAT ARE VACANT AND SO ARE SOME PROPERTIES THAT HAVE STRUCTURES OR ENTITLEMENTS. SO EXCHANGE AGREEMENTS, JOINT

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>> AMERICAN RESCUE FUNDS OK WE DIDN'T ACQUIRE ANYTHING WITH THOSE FUNDS BUT IT IS A FUNDING SOURCE. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT DEFINITION OF MARK GOING FORWARD I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS CHART EXPANDED FOR A THIRD COLUMN IN THAT THIRD COLUMN WOULD DEAL WITH DEVELOPMENT FUNDING. CERTAINLY ONE COULD BE THE PRIVATE SECTOR WHERE YOU GET A DEVELOPER CONTRIBUTING 100 PERCENT TO BUILD THE PROJECT.

RIGHT. THE OTHER ANOTHER COULD BE THAT WE'VE KICKED AROUND BUT HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING ABOUT YET WOULD BE THE DISPOSITION OF TOWN LAND THAT CAN BE USED FOR DEVELOPMENT. WE MAY HAVE BOUGHT IT FOR A DOLLAR AND IT HAS A PRICE POINT TODAY IN THE MARKET OF THREE DOLLARS. HOW DO WE APPROACH THAT? HOW ARE WE WILLING TO APPROACH THAT? ARE WE ARE WE GOING TO GO FOR THE THREE? WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO THE ONE WE POSSIBLY DONATE IT? WOULD WE POSSIBLY LEASE IT RIGHT. SO SO WHERE I STARTED AND I MAYBE NEED TO BETTER EXPLAIN THIS WHERE I STARTED WAS SIMPLY HERE.

HOW DID THE TOWN BUY THESE PROPERTIES NOT WHAT CAN THEY BE USED FOR?

>> WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO LATER? WHAT I CAN AND I THINK WHAT HE WAS SIMPLY SAYING GO SO. SO AS A AS AN ASSESSMENT FOR TODAY I UNDERSTAND AND HAVE A NOTE HOW DO WE EXTRAPOLATE NOT JUST A FUNDING SOURCE BUT WHAT TO DO WITH IT IN THE FUTURE AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT? WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS BE REALLY CLEAR OF WHAT PROPERTIES HAVE A CHANCE AND WHAT PROPERTIES ARE ABSOLUTELY OFF LIMITS.

>> AND AS A COUNCIL I THINK OVER TIME THERE WERE AGREEMENTS ON THAT.

DID A BOND BUY IT THAT A REAL ESTATE TRANSFER FEE BY IT WAS THERE A LAND SWAP IF THERE WAS

IS THERE A COVENANT? >> AND AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS SIMPLY BUILD A MAP, A GEOGRAPHIC INFORMATION SYSTEM THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO CHASE ONE FILE DRAWER AT A TIME TO

FIGURE OUT. >> WE HAVE GREAT TECHNOLOGY. THE TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED OVER TIME AS THERE'S NOT A SLIGHT OF HOW WE KEEP RECORDS. THE RECORDS ARE FABULOUS BUT WE'VE CHANGED TOWN ATTORNEYS. RIGHT. THERE WAS YOU KNOW, CURTIS WAS HERE. CURTIS WASN'T HERE. CURTIS IS HERE AGAIN.

THERE ARE DIFFERENT METHODS AND STYLES AND HOW WE FILE AND HOW WE KEEP RECORD.

AND SO FOR THE FIRST TIME AND I THINK IN FOR FOR FOREVER WE WILL BUILD THAT RECORD THAT'S FULL, TRANSPARENT AND AVAILABLE AT THE COMMUNITY'S FINGERTIPS, THE COUNSEL'S FINGERTIPS.

AND THEN SOMEBODY LIKE ME OR SHAWN OR ANYBODY ELSE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE CAN DO WITH A PIECE OF LAND IS IMPORTANT. SO I THINK WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THIS THIS IS A THIS IS SO CRITICAL TO ALL OF OUR DISCUSSIONS. OKAY.

YES. IF WE'VE GOT ONE HUNDRED PROPERTIES END OF THE DAY WE FIND OUT THAT ONLY 2 COULD BE USED. SO TOTALLY DIFFERENT DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE AND WRITER SO MAKING SURE THAT THIS IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ALL THE COMMUNITY. ALL RIGHT.

SO I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING A BIT MORE TIME WITH IT. I APPRECIATE WHAT STAFF HAS DONE THUS FAR WITH IT. I'D ALSO APPRECIATE ANOTHER SET OF EYES ON IT.

OKAY. IS HILTON HEAD OKAY? I'M GONNA SAY THAT OUT LOUD.

ALL RIGHT. YOU CAN RIDE AROUND THE TOWN AND LOOK AT SIGNS THAT WE'VE PUT UP ON PROPERTY THAT WE BOUGHT. THAT'S IT.

THAT'S I MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. BECAUSE THERE'S A CHANCE THAT YOU COULD USE IT FOR SOMETHING AND THERE'S A CHANCE THAT YOU CAN.

BUT THE SCIENCE SAY THAT WE CAN NOT DO ANYTHING WITH IT TO THAT POINT.

>> I THINK THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE DUE DILIGENCE AGAIN GOING BACK TO ANOTHER SET OF EYES I WAS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE AS A COUNCIL WE STAFF WE CAN'T TAKE THAT OWNERSHIP OF THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE IT BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE. AND WE'VE GOT TO BE OVERLY CONFIDENT THAT THE ANSWER THAT WE GIVE AS TO WHAT WE CAN DO OR WHAT WE CAN'T DO IS REAL.

SO I JUST OFFERED THAT MR. MANAGER, THAT WE DO HAVE ANOTHER EXPERT.

TAKE A LOOK WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT TO THE COMMUNITY JUST BECAUSE IT'S CHANGE HANDS FOR ME TYPES I COULD DO JUST TWO STEPS.

ONE IS I'D LIKE THE SECOND SET OF EYES TO LOOK AT IT WHICH BE ARRANGED FOR AND THE SECOND STEP IS COMPLETE THIS MAP AS WELL CAN BE USE WHAT CAN'T BE USED AND OPEN ANYTHING ELSE.

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SO THE PUBLIC WILL LOOK AT THAT MAP. SEE THE MAP? YES. QUESTION ON A MAP. KRISTA'S FLAGGED THE DATE.

PLEASE KNOW THAT WE LOOK AT THIS OFTEN. I APOLOGIZE THAT IT'S NOT DONE YET BUT IT SEEMS THAT THE FILES ARE DEEP AND WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE MISTAKES AND SO KNOW THAT THERE IS A PROCESS IN PLACE AND AND. SALUTE YOU AT AND STAFFS EFFORT TO ACTUALLY ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND WHAT RESTRICTIONS APPLY.

SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE REALLY DEALING WITH THAT'S INVALUABLE TO US.

THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME, SIR. THANK YOU.

IT WAS MAN. YES. THE QUESTION I HAVE IS THAT OF THE CURRENT ASSESSMENT OF TOWN ON PROPERTIES UNDER LAND ACQUISITION FUNDING SOURCES. IS THERE A SHORTCUT OR A SHORTHAND WAY OF SAYING WHICH

ONES ARE RESTRICTED? >> OR IS IT ALSO BASED ON HOW IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED?

DOES THAT QUESTION MAKE? >> I WISH I COULD SAY YES, THERE'S A SHORTCUT.

RIGHT. SO WE CAN EASILY LOOK AT OUR BEACH PARKS AND JUST TAKE THEM OFF THE BOOKS. BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE SATISFIED WITH JUST THAT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT 15 YEARS FROM NOW BRINGS IT'S COLORED BLUE ON A MAP.

IT'S A BEACH PARK IS CALLED THE CALLIGNEE. WHAT IF SOMEBODY ASKS THIS NEXT WEEK SHOULD WE PUT HOUSING THERE? I DON'T WANT TO JUST SAY OH, IT'S A BEACH PARK. I REALLY, REALLY NEED TO KNOW HOW IT WAS BOUGHT, HOW IT WAS

ACQUIRED. >> WHAT ARE THE COVENANTS? I ALSO THINK THAT THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT TIME THAT WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT MAP INTO TWO.

TO YOUR POINT, MISS BECKER. THE SHORTCUT NEEDS TO BE LET'S MAKE SURE IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT THERE'S CERTAIN PROPERTIES THIS ISLAND AND I MAKE MAKE IT CLEAR FROM MY VANTAGE POINT HILTON HEAD ISLAND IS KNOWN IN THE NATION AS OF AS A COMMUNITY THAT PRESERVED LAND.

IT TOOK UNITS OFF THE TABLE TO DEVELOP IT TOOK COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN OFF THE TABLE TO DEVELOP. I KNOW THAT I JUST KNOW THAT FROM MY CAREER. BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT BECAUSE AS I TALK TO FOLKS ACROSS THE STATE AND BEYOND THEY KNOW HILTON HEAD ISLAND FOR THAT AND OTHER FOLKS HAVE BORROWED OR

USED THAT THAT METHOD. >> THE LAND ACQUISITION PROGRAM THAT MR. STANFORD WORKED ON, YOU KNOW, COUNTY WIDE IS LIVE AND STRONGER. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE GET OUR HANDS AROUND HER, AREN'T WRAP OUR ARMS AROUND THIS AND THEN PAINT OUR MAP WHAT IS TRULY UNTOUCHABLE NOT JUST FROM A COVENANT STANDPOINT BUT ALSO FROM A

COMMUNITY VALUE STANDPOINT. >> AND SO I THINK THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT AS PART OF THIS EXERCISE OF WHAT CAN I USE FOR HOUSING AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN.

LET'S ALSO BE MAKING THE BIGGER PICTURE DECISION OF ALL THE PROPERTIES AND I THINK THAT'S

BEEN MADE OVER TIME. >> I THINK THERE'S PEOPLE THAT WILL SIT HERE AND TELL ME YOU JUST GOT HERE THIS. THIS HAS BEEN MADE BUT WE'RE BUILDING THE MAP AND I THINK THAT TO BRING US CURRENT LET'S LET'S LET'S GO THROUGH A A LOUD EXERCISE.

>> MAY I JUST FOLLOW THAT IS I JUST I'M JUST BASICALLY GOING TO RESTATE WHAT YOU JUST SAID BECAUSE I DON'T THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE THERE'S TOO MUCH DISAGREEMENT.

THERE IS THE FUNDING SOURCES, THERE ARE COVENANTS BUT I THINK ALSO IF NOT EQUALLY CERTAINLY I WOULD SAY MORE IMPORTANTLY THE COMMUNITY EXPECTATIONS, THOSE SIGNS THAT WE SEE AROUND THE

ISLAND THAT IS SAY TOWN OWNED PROPERTY. >> THOSE OF US WHO HAVE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME AND THOSE WHO COME ONTO THE ISLAND ARE SO DEEPLY GRATEFUL FOR THOSE PARCELS OF LAND THAT HAVE BEEN HELD AND ARE GREEN AND PRESENT TO US AN EXPECTATION THAT THEY'LL REMAIN THAT WAY AND THE PART OF THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT WE LOOKED AND EXPECT ON HILTON HEAD ISLAND IS WRAPPED UP IN THAT EXPECTATION OF THAT GREEN.

AND SO THREE COMPONENTS EQUAL BUT I WOULD PUT THE EMPHASIS ON WHAT OUR COMMUNITY EXPECTATIONS ARE OVERALL. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE THIS MAP AND IT'S A GREAT MAP AND APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT'S GOING INTO IT TO REALLY ASSESS IT. AND CONGRATULATIONS TO EVERYONE WHO'S WORKED HARD TO ACQUIRE THOSE PROPERTIES OVER TIME. I THINK WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL

OF THAT. SO I LOOKED AT PROPERTIES. >> I'M SURE MY PHONE WILL RING

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SOME SENSE. >> WELL, WHEN AND WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH ONE AT A TIME TODAY.

I'M JUST KIDDING. WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT. WE'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT SOME OF THE HIGH PRIORITY OR AT LEAST SOME OF THE OBVIOUS PARCELS AND WE SIMPLY JUST STARTED TO LOOK AT THEM. AND SO TODAY I WANT TO SHOW YOU SEVERAL PROPERTIES THAT WE

LOOKED AT BUT TALK ABOUT. >> ONLY ONE IN PARTICULAR THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULDN'T TALK ABOUT THE OTHERS AT THE MARCH DATE. BUT I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT ONE TODAY BECAUSE IT SEEMS THAT THERE IS A LITTLE MORE ROOM TO MAKE SENSE OF THAT IMMEDIATELY AND MOVE FORWARD. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT THE WHOLE

INDIGO RUN HOTEL TRACK. >> THE REASON I PUT THIS ON HERE IT'S IMPORTANT.

FOLKS HAVE CALLED AND SAID HEY, THIS IS A GREAT PIECE. IT'S ON MARSHLAND ROAD, IT'S ON A BUS ROUTE. IT'S NEAR THE PARKWAY, IT'S NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL.

IT'S FLAT. IT HAS WATER ACCESS. WHAT AN AMAZING NEIGHBORHOOD

THAT WOULD BE. >> WELL, IF WE'RE DEVELOPERS, ABSOLUTELY.

BUT AS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, IN THE BUSINESS OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WE GO

BACK AND WE SAY OK, DOES THE TRACK MAKE SENSE? >> ABSOLUTELY.

HOW DID WE BUY IT? IT WAS BOUGHT WITH 1997 BOND REFERENDUM MONEY REPAID WITH A REAL ESTATE TRANSFER FEE AND THE 2000 BOND REFERENDUM. AND IF I LOOK AT MY TOOL HERE 1990 7 BOND REFERENDUM FOR 15 MILLION DOLLARS THE ORDINANCE ORDERED A REFERENDUM NOT TO EXCEED 15 MILLION AND THE COUNCIL FIND THE FUNDS OF THE ACQUISITION OF LANDS FOR MANAGEMENT OF GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT PUBLIC FACILITIES PASSIVE AND ACTIVE PARK AND PRESERVATION OF HISTORIC SITE FURTHERS THE GOAL OF THIS COUNCIL AND ALL PRECEDING COUNCILS AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS OF THE COMP PLAN. AND AS WE DIG A LITTLE DEEPER PURCHASING DEVELOPED AND UNDEVELOPED LAND ON HILTON HEAD FOR THE PUBLIC USE OR USES OF MANAGEMENT OF GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT PUBLIC FACILITIES, PASSIVE ACTIVE PARK LAND AND PRESERVATION OF HISTORIC SITES . IF GOOGLE WANTED TO BE THERE WE AS A JOB CENTER AND AS A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD COULD GO THERE TO ADVANCE HOUSING CHOICES ON OUR ISLAND BASED UPON HOW THE PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED FOR ME AT THIS TIME IT SEEMS TO BE OFF THE TABLE. MR. MAYOR, WHEN YOU BRING US THE FINAL PRODUCT WHILE YOU WERE READING ALL OF THOSE STIPULATIONS IT IS A SPARK THAT THOUGHT YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S TIME FOR US TO ALSO CONSIDER OUR LANGUAGE LAND ACQUISITION POLICY BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF THERE WAS A NUMBER OF DOLLAR WISE THAT WE WOULD TRY TO GET TO BACK WHEN THIS WAS PURCHASED ANY OF THESE PROPERTIES AND WE DIDN'T I SAY HAVE IT MAYBE WE LOOKED AT OTHER FUNDING SOURCES TO GET TO THAT NUMBER. I'M NOT QUITE SURE THAT THAT WAS THE RIGHT WAY TO DO BUSINESS SO LONG AS YOU BRING IT FORWARD TO THAT EQUITY TO JUST DUST THAT OFF AND TAKE A LOOK AT HOW WE BUY PROPERTY PARTICULARLY SO SCARCE ON HILTON HEAD AT THE MOMENT. ALL RIGHT. AND WE LOOKED AT LEGO MOUNTAIN 2003 BOND REFERENDUM. RIGHT. THE OLD CONCRETE PLANT AS WE KNOW IT. IT'S IT'S IN AN INTERESTING LOCATION.

IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE UNITS DOWN THE STREET WILL DUE TO THE TRAFFIC FLOW. BY NO MEANS ARE WE ADVOCATING THESE PROPERTIES OR SIMPLY SHOWING YOU THE PROCESS THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT. YOU KNOW, IT'S ZONED PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT ALMOST FIVE ACRES BUT IT WAS BOUGHT WITH BOND REFERENDUM MONEY VERY SIMILAR PATTERSON ESTATE PARCEL 77 ON THE MAP IS WHAT WE REALLY LOOKED AT.

THERE'S THOSE TWO PIECES IN THE RED. IT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM ALEX

PATTERSON ROAD. >> I THINK THAT THE FACT THAT IT'S CLOSE TO THE ROUNDABOUT, CLOSE TO SHOPS ON THE WATER. YES. EARLY ON I WAS EXCITED.

JOHN AND I TALKED SAY THIS MIGHT MAKE US PARK SOME AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN FUNDS.

THERE WAS WE START LOOKING AT THE SITE FROM A DUE DILIGENCE STANDPOINT ONE IN 100 YEAR FLOOD ZONE AND I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THAT REASON.

I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR HOUSING FOR A LOT OF REASONS. BUT THE FACT THAT IT'S IN 100 YEAR FLOOD LET ALONE IT WAS BUILT PURCHASED WITH 2000 BOND REFERENDUM IN SOME TRANSFER FEE AGAIN ADS THOSE ADS THAT'S THOSE STRINGS. AND THOSE ISSUES OR I WOULD SAY ADDS A VALUE THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE DEVELOPED OFFICE PARK ROAD TRACT IT WAS ACQUIRED WITH REAL

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ESTATE TRANSFER FEE THAT IS NEXT TO US. >> CB SORRY I WAS SEARCHING FOR IT. IT'S RIGHT HERE. THERE'S USCCB IF IF HOUSING IS NEEDED FOR USCCB POTENTIAL LEE USCCB COULD LOCATE THERE. SOME SOME UNITS ON SITE THEY COULD ALSO WORK WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS CLOSE BY. BUT THE LANDS THAT SURROUND USCCB FOR HOUSING ONE THIS IS CALLED BOGGY GUT. YEAH IT'S WET.

IT'S IT'S AN IMPORTANT ENVIRONMENTAL PLACE ON YOU KNOW ON OUR ISLAND.

>> AND AT THE SAME TIME WE ACQUIRED IT WITH REAL ESTATE TRANSFER FEE THAT HAS SOME OBSTACLES TOO AS WELL. RIGHT. SO ACCORDING TO WHAT MY CONVERSATIONS WITH CURTIS I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR YOU BUT AS VACANT LAND WAS ACQUIRED WITH REAL ESTATE TRANSFER FEE, IT WAS TO TAKE UNITS OFF THE TABLE OR AT LEAST MITIGATE THOSE THOSE THOSE TRIPS. WELL, ANYTHING ABOVE AND BEYOND RAW LAND IS AND IS IN AN ADVERSE CONFLICT WITH MITIGATING TRIPS. SO SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT AND

AGAIN WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THIS IN ANOTHER MONTH. >> PALMETTO BAY ROAD TRACK.

SO IT WAS ACQUIRED WITH REAL ESTATE TRANSFER FEE AS WELL AS SOME TAX REVENUE AND SO NOW WE START GETTING INTO WHAT WAS ACQUIRED WITH SOME TAX REVENUE. WE KNOW THAT SOME TIME AGO THE TOWN POSTED THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY AND WORKED CLOSELY WITH WITH JOHN TOOL B FOR COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION TO TRY TO MAKE SENSE OF THIS AS A AS A COMMERCIAL SITE. BUT IF IF THIS WAS A COMMERCIAL MIXED USE SITE THERE ARE SOME RESIDENTIAL RESTRICTIONS IN THE BUSINESS PARK. I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY'RE IMPOSSIBLE TO OVERCOME. BUT AGAIN, THERE'S SOME WORK TO DO TO THINK THROUGH THIS.

>> I REALLY LIKE THIS SITE AS A AS AN OPPORTUNITY A LOT MORE THAN ANY OTHERS SO FAR TO START THINKING THROUGH AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND OR HOUSING SOLUTION ON.

ON HILTON HEAD WE TOOK A LOOK AT MODERN CLASSIC MOTORS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE PIECE SHAWN AND I THINK PURCHASE FUNDING WAS TAX REVENUE AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO SOME TEXT

IN THE PAST. >> IT'S NOT UP HERE NOW. IT WAS ONE OF THE PARCELS BOTTOM LEFT HAS SOME RESTRICTIONS. WHAT ARE THOSE RESTRICTIONS OR

COVENANTS ON THAT PIECE? >> I AGREE WITH JAMES THAT REQUIRED TO BE USED AS A CAR LOT. OK. SO AGAIN RIGHT.

YEAH. AND CURTIS, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO KIND OF DOVE IN. CURTIS WELL I THINK WE GOT RID OF THAT.

SO AGAIN LET'S LET'S COME TOGETHER. BUT WE KNOW WHAT WHAT AN INTERESTING PLACE FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT AND I KNOW THAT MR. O'TOOLE IS IS WORKING ON SOME MARKETING MATERIALS, SOME DRONE FOOTAGE, SOME REAL SITE ASSESSMENT AND TRYING TO SEE WHAT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THIS SITE IS FROM A FROM A JOB PERSPECTIVE.

>> DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN HIS MOUTH. BUT JOHN, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE HERE TODAY WITH US, SIR. ARE YOU SAYING THAT IS NOT RESTRICTED?

>> IT'S NOT RESTRICTED. MID ISLAND PURCHASED WITH BOND REFERENDUM IS WHAT I FOUND THE ACQUISITION OF THIS WAS BOND REFERENDUM AND SO HERE'S THE POSITION I'M IN.

I'M TOLD THAT THERE ARE NO RESTRICTIONS ON IT. I'M TOLD THAT SOME DON'T WANT HOUSING. I'M TOLD THAT SOME DO WANT HOUSING ON A COUNCIL.

I'M HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY EQUALLY ON SOME OF THOSE ISSUES .

>> WE'RE FINALLY DIVING INTO THE INTO THIS LITTLE LATE. I'M SORRY THAT IT IS SO LATE.

YOU KNOW, WE TALKED TO A CONSULTANT ABOUT HOUSING. WE HAD HIM PERFORM SOME SOME AT LEAST CAPACITY SITE PLANNING. WE'VE HEARD FROM FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SURROUNDING NOT NOT JUST PORT ROYAL BUT A PORT ROYAL FROM THE RESIDENTS. SOME OF OUR OWN THOUGHTS.

BUT I ALWAYS GIVE BACK TO AND IT'S PROBABLY NOT PROBABLY IT'S WHERE WE SHOULD HAVE STARTED FROM THE BEGINNING IS HOW DID THE HOW DID YOU BUY THE PROPERTY?

HOW WAS THE PROPERTY PURCHASED? >> AND SO LESSON LEARNED FOR ME BECAUSE I'M GOING BY WHAT I BELIEVE SOMEONE'S ADVICE WAS TRAVELING DOWN THE LINE. NOW IT'S BECOMING INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE WHERE IN FACT WE NEED TO PULL THE FILE DRAWER AND LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE, THE COVENANTS, THE RESTRICTIONS AND NOT JUST YOU KNOW, TELL EM KSA HOUSING MIGHT WORK HERE.

>> IN FACT, THE MORE I THINK ABOUT THIS HOUSING TO ME MAKES SENSE ON DYLAN ROAD IF WE COULD

MAKE SENSE OF IT. >> BUT AS WE LOOK AT THIS, IT WAS BOUGHT WITH TWO THOUSAND A

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>> SO MORE TO COME NORTH END POST OFFICE TRACT BOUGHT WITH CFP FUNDS REAL ESTATE TRANSFER FEE AND SO AS I WELL YOU KNOW AMONGST A WHOLE BUNCH OTHERS I'LL GO BACK REAL QUICK TO SHOW YOU AMONGST THE REAL ASSESSMENT AND A LOT OF DRIVING WE GET TO THIS PIECE IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO

THE POST OFFICE. >> IT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM ISLAND RACK IN THE SCHOOL COMPLEX CLOSE TO MAIN STREET. IT'S ELEVEN POINT FOUR FIVE ACRES.

>> IT WAS BOUGHT WITH PROPERTY . IT WAS BOUGHT WITH FUNDS THAT

ALLOW FOR SOME DEVELOPMENT. >> AND SO FOR MY PURPOSE OVER THE LAST 60 DAYS I'VE REALLY

WORKED ON THIS PIECE ONLY WE KNOW IT'S CLOSE TO THE SCHOOLS. >> WE KNOW IT CONTAINS SOME PARTIAL INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S A WATER TOWER IF YOU WONDER WHAT THAT IS.

>> IT'S LOCATED IN FLOOD ZONE X IT CAN BE ZONED FOR RESIDENTIAL.

IT'S NOT A SPOT ZONE. IT WOULDN'T BE JUST LIKE OH HEY WE REALLY THINK HOUSING SHOULD BELONG HERE. RESIDENTIAL IS NEXT TO IT. THERE'S SOME THERE'S SOME ISSUES WITH THOUGH OF COURSE IT'S NOT IN THE IT'S NOT A GREAT ACCESSIBLE LOCATION.

>> IF YOU LOOK AT THIS SITE AS A WRITE IN RIGHT OUT ON ALREADY A BUSY, BUSY CORRIDOR BUT WE'VE DONE A LITTLE WORK ON IT TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND ITS SURROUNDINGS AND SO AGAIN PROPERTIES RIGHT HERE POINT OF REFERENCE WILD HORSE MARSH POINT GUM TREE AND RIGHT.

>> GROUND ZERO OF INTERSECTIONS ON OUR ISLAND BUT POST OFFICE AND EXCITED TO TAKE A LOOK AT HOW IT MAKES SENSE WITH THE SCHOOL CAMPUS THE ISLAND REC. AND THEN AGAIN I DON'T THINK THAT EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT LIVES HERE WILL HAVE A STUDENT IN THIS SCHOOL AS A REQUIREMENT . BUT AS WE TAKE A LOOK AT HOUSING AND WORKFORCE, I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL THAT BEING ABLE TO WALK TO GET A JUG OF MILK CANDY BAR OR TO PLAY BASKETBALL AT THE REC CENTER SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.

>> SO AS WE LOOKED AT THAT, WE STARTED TO JUST TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT A LITTLE LITTLE DIFFERENTLY AND I REALIZE THIS AND IT'S OBVIOUS, RIGHT? WE CAN'T DO THIS BY HERSELF IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. I THINK IF THEY COULD WOULD HAVE ALREADY STARTED TO DO THIS OR REALLY DESIRE TO WITHOUT ANYBODY'S HELP WOULD HAVE WE'D HAVE APPLICATIONS AGAIN SOMEONE SAID EARLIER IT'S HILTON HEAD ISLAND, IT'S HER WHAT WE NEED THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, WHAT'S THE NEXT STEPS THEY'RE BAKED INTO LIKE FOUR SLIDES FROM NOW.

THANK INSPECTOR IN THE PORT ROYAL PD OF MEAN AS PORT ROYAL HAVE RESTRICTIONS ON THE MID ISLAND TRACT HE'S SHAKING HIS HEAD NO. I'M TOLD VOA THAT THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL COVENANTS AS PART THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT FOR PORT

ROYALTY YOU D YES SIR, THAT'S CORRECT. >> THERE ARE OPEN SPACES AS WELL AS PERVIOUS IMPERVIOUS REQUIREMENTS WE NEED TO BE MAINTAINED AS THAT TRACT IS PUT INTO USE AS A PARK PERSON THAN EVER BUT IT'S NOT RESTRICTIONS OF OPEN SPACE ONLY THERE IS SOME. AND AGAIN I THINK THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY THAT FOR YOU.

I'M NOT PREPARED TO SHOW YOU ALL THAT TODAY BUT YEAH THERE ARE SOME RESTRICTIONS BUT BASED UPON THOSE RESTRICTIONS THAT DOESN'T NEGATE ANY ANYTHING. BUT WHEN WE GO BACK TO THE MONEY SOURCE I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE REALLY HAVE TO SCRUB THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE LEGAL JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT. RIGHT. OK.

SO AS I AS I TOOK A LOOK AT THIS YOU KNOW ONE OF THE THE EXERCISE FOR ME TODAY IS TO ASK YOU IF I CAN PROCEED WITH THE FOLLOWING IN THE FOLLOWING MANNER.

>> RIGHT. AND SO A REMINDER I ASKED FOR, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF WORK FROM STAFF, A LOT OF INPUT FROM COUNCIL. WE ASKED TO PRESENT TO YOU A HOME SAFETY AND REPAIR PROGRAM SAFE AND DRY AS ROOT AS WELL AS REMOVAL OF UNSAFE UNINHABITED STRUCTURES. WE'VE PUT A GREAT PROGRAM TOGETHER AGAIN.

THANK YOU TO SEAN AND A LOT OF GOOD FOLKS. AND JAMIE, WE WILL PROPOSE IT

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KEEP YOUR HOMES SAFE AND DRY. FIX YOUR ROOF. FIX YOUR PORCH, FIX YOUR WINDOWS ABATEMENT AND OR DEMO OF UNSAFE UNINHABITED STRUCTURES ON ON OWNED PROPERTY AS WELL AS SOME HAZARD TREE TRIMMING OR REMOVAL. WE LOOK AT THIS AS A HOUSING PROGRAM PROPOSAL TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE WHERE YOU CURRENTLY LIVE.

WE ALSO ARE PROPOSE THING REALLY IN CONJUNCTION OR IN CONCERT WITH PROJECTS SAFE AS WE KNOW FROM THE PSC THAT THERE'S A THERE'S SOME GRANTS AVAILABLE FOR LATERAL

CONNECTIONS. >> CONGRATS AGAIN TO EVERYBODY THAT WORKED ON ESTABLISHED MAIN TRUNK LINES FOR WATER SEWER ON HILTON HEAD ISLAND BUT WE KNOW THAT SOME FOLKS HAVE NOT HOOKED

UP. >> MAYBE IT'S MAYBE IT'S JUST A MATTER OF LEAVE ME ALONE.

MAYBE IT'S A MATTER OF FINANCES. BUT I WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS NOT JUST FROM AN INCOME FALSIFICATION BUT FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL QUALIFICATION TOO. SO WE CAN SEE THAT THE PROPOSAL IS UP TO 100 PERCENT DIFFERENT THAN THE PRIOR 60 PERCENT. AGAIN, FDA COMMITTEE IN MARCH PRIORITY TO APPLICANTS WHO RECEIVE SOME GRANTS AND OR ARE DENIED BY PROJECTS SAVE FOR SOME DIFFERENT REASONS WHEN WE'RE TRYING NOT TO REPLICATE WHAT THEY DO AND SIMPLY ADD TO THE BUCKET WE'RE TRYING TO EXPAND THEIR PROGRAM AND IT IS A GOOD ONE THAT YOU DO IT EVERYDAY.

>> TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. I NEED TO GET THIS OFF BEFORE I LOSE IT.

THE CAPACITY FEES BECAUSE THE TOWN HAS BEEN SO AGGRESSIVE IN PURCHASING PROPERTY A LOT OF AND LET'S JUST SAY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE RESTRICTIONS ON THOSE PROPERTIES. A LOT OF THE LOCAL DEBT WILL BE PUT ON THE PUBLIC DISTRICT SERVICE IS GOING AWAY BECAUSE THE LAND WILL NEVER BE DEVELOPED.

OK, SO A CONVERSATION AROUND CAPACITY FEES I THINK SHOULD BE ASSIGNED TO THIS COMMITTEE ALSO . AND I'LL I'M NOT QUITE SURE I 100 PERCENT TRACK AND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING US TO DO WHAT IF ANY BUT WE MAYBE WE CAN CHAT OFF LINE TO UNDERSTAND THAT I THINK THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES WITH OUR WITH OUR PSC DSD TO TO BE IN PARTNERSHIP HERE. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT WILL COME FORWARD AND BOTH IN MARCH, RIGHT. ONE HOME SAFETY UP TO 60. THE OTHER SEWER CONNECTION UP TO 100 AND THEN TONIGHT TODAY I SHOULD SAY I WANT TO PROPOSE THAT WE SEEK A PARTNER THROUGH A HOUSING PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. I ALWAYS LOOK BACK AT THE URBAN LAND INSTITUTE FOR SOME DIRECTION. I'VE TAKEN THESE KEY PRINCIPLES RIGHT OUT OF THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP MATERIALS THAT THEY PRODUCE.

BUT REALLY THE GOAL IS TO INCREASE AFFORDABLE HOUSING SUPPLY ON THE ISLAND BY PARTNERING ON DEVELOPMENT OF WORKFORCE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT THAT WE LOOK FOR A PARTNER WITH EXPERTISE IN FINANCING AND DEVELOPMENT AND THERE ARE SOME KEY PRINCIPLES OF PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS.

I THINK THAT AS WE WORK IF YOU WOULD GIVE ME DIRECTION AS WE WORK FORWARD I KNOW THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THESE KEY PRINCIPLES ARE ARE BEING ADDRESSED RIGHT FROM PREPARING PROPERLY TO CREATING A SHARED VISION, UNDERSTANDING OUR PARTNERS, BEING CLEAR ON OUR RISKS, ESTABLISHING A DECISION MAKING PROCESS, MAKING SURE WE ALL DO OUR HOMEWORK.

THIS NEEDS IS THIS IS A CHALLENGING BUT VERY DOABLE OPPORTUNITY.

>> WE COMMUNICATE WITH YOU THAT WE COMMUNICATE WITH THE COMMUNITY, THAT WE COMMUNICATE WITH OUR PARTNER ALL THE TIME AND THAT THE DEAL BE FAIR. I THINK PEOPLE WILL DO BUSINESS WITH US IF WE TRY TO PUT A PARTNERSHIP TOGETHER THAT ISN'T FAIR.

WE'RE RIGHT BACK WHERE WE STARTED SEVEN MONTHS FROM NOW. SO WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT. AND AGAIN, CAN WE SPEAK TO THAT?

>> YES, I SHAPE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS AS ONE OF THE KEYS IF NOT THE KEY TO SOLVING OUR PROBLEM HERE. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT INTRODUCING A PARTNER WHICH WOULD I GUESS ASSUME SOME OF THE RESPONSIBILITY WITH THAT .

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE'S ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A PRIVATE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WHEREAS IF WE HAVE A PARCEL OF LAND AND WE APPROACH A DEVELOPER AND WE SAY

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I THINK THAT THAT IS VITAL. I THINK THAT THERE ARE PROBABLY LESS DETAILS AND OBSTRUCTIONS AND CONTRACTS AND ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT MIGHT GO ON IN A URBAN LAND INSTITUTE TYPE OF MODEL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

WHAT GLENN SAID IT BETTER THAN I WILL. I I I THINK CLEARLY SPEED TO MARKET IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR US. AND ALL DUE RESPECT TO GOVERNMENT, IF WE CAN GO TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND WE SET THE TONE OF THE MEETING IN TERMS OF THE PRINCIPLES OF OF DEVELOPMENT, THE PRINCIPLES

OF OPERATION, THE MIX AND THE CAPACITY. >> I'M SURE WE WHAT ONE WOULD NOT WANT TO WORK WITH A PARTNER THAT COULD ONLY DO A ONE AND DONE RIGHT IS WE'D LIKE TO DO A ROLLOUT AND UNLESS I'M MISSING SOMETHING HERE I WOULD JUST GET RID OF ONE WORD UP THERE PUBLIC SET THE TONE WE AS A GOVERNMENT ME FOLLOWING ON BOTH OF THOSE VERY WISE COMMENTS.

I MEAN I'LL BE PROBABLY MORE SIMPLE THE WAY I SAY IT AND HOPEFULLY IF I'M WRONG CORRECT ME I'M ALWAYS TENUOUS AT BEST IN MY THINKING WITH REGARD TO PUBLIC PARTNERSHIPS MOSTLY BECAUSE OF THE STRINGS THEY TEND TO BRING WITH THEM THE CONTROL THAT THE TOWN WILL LIKELY HAVE TO GIVE UP IN THAT RELATIONSHIP. SO KEEPING THIS AS A PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP CERTAINLY FROM MY PERSPECTIVE ALLOWS US TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE RIGHT TYPE OF GOVERNMENT COVENANTS AND INPUT AND DIRECTION AND KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GETTING IN RETURN NOT JUST WHEN WE SIGN THE DOCUMENTS AND GO FULFILLED A VISION BUT ALSO LONG TERM AND

THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ASPECT AS WE MOVE ALONG. >> WE KNOW FROM RECENT HISTORY WHERE WE RECEIVED A GRANT THAT NOW WAS TIED OUR HANDS IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO FULFILL ISLAND RESIDENTS REQUESTS. SO I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE THOSE SAME TYPES THINGS HAPPEN DOWN THE ROAD. ALSO I KNOW THE DEFINITION BY HYDRO ETC. I'VE DONE MY RESEARCH BUT I FIND IT INTERESTING IN DOCUMENTS WHERE WE CHANGE FROM WORKFORCE HOUSING TO SUDDENLY AND IN NO DISPARAGING JUST STATING A FACT HERE AFFORDABLE HOUSING SUPPLY ON THE ISLAND BY PARTNERING ON DEVELOPMENT OF WORKSHOP WORKFORCE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING CAN FOR THE BENEFIT OF EVERYONE WE DELINEATE DEFINE WHAT THE TWO DIFFERENCES ARE.

>> WELL YEAH AND IF A COUPLE OF SLIDES THEN I MEAN I'M SORRY I COULDN'T.

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THINGS WE NEED TO DECIDE, YOU KNOW. >> AGAIN, WHAT ARE WE DOING?

>> WHO ARE WE SERVING? IS IT THE FIRST YEAR FIREMEN FIRST YEAR NURSE, FIRST YEAR SCHOOL TEACHER? WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT MATRIX A BUNCH OF SLIDES AGO ABOUT AN HOUR AGO OR SO I TOOK A LOOK AT EIGHTY ONE HUNDRED ONE TWENTY ONE FIFTY.

I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR EITHER. I THINK THAT SIMPLE RANGE OF PRODUCT NEEDS TO BE ACHIEVED BUT I WILL ALSO SAY TODAY WE'RE NOT PREPARED TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL MAKE THE PROJECT VIABLE. IT IS ONE THING TO SAY IT'S GOT TO BE ALL 60 PERCENT AND THEN WE'RE NOT SATISFIED WITH THE QUALITY CONSTRUCTION.

IT'S ANOTHER THING TO SAY IT'S ALL 150 PERCENT. SO THE QUALITY IS IS GREAT BUT IT'S NOT SERVING THE NEEDS OF THE MANAGER OF THE GREAT PLACES WE LIKE TO SHOP AND VISIT. SO ONE THING THAT I THAT I KNOW IS THAT WE OWN SOME LAND WE HAVE SOME AMERICAN RESCUE PLANS PARKED. THERE ARE SUCCESSFUL AND I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND REMOVING THE PUBLIC OUT OF THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP THAT'S AN INDUSTRY TERM IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT OUR LAND, OUR DOLLARS IT'S A PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP ALONG WITH A PRIVATE PARTNER AND I'LL SHOW YOU A TERM SHEET IN A SECOND.

BUT REALLY AS I START THINKING THROUGH THIS OR AS WE THINK THROUGH IT TOGETHER IT HAS TO BE PRINCIPAL DRIVEN. WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IN FOUR TO WE HAVE SO MUCH INFORMATION IN YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST I AND I WENT THROUGH THAT.

>> SORRY IF I'M I'M BORING. >> YEAH. OR REPEATING BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE A HOUSING STRATEGIC PLAN THAT TOWN COUNCIL ADOPTED.

WE HAVE AN HOUR. OUR PLAN THE CALL PLAN YOU ADOPTED.

WE HAVE A STRATEGIC PLAN WE ADOPTED AND IF WE ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING I THINK WE'RE AT THAT POINT WHERE SOME OF THE POLICY INITIATIVES THAT ARE IN PLACE I SHOWED YOU THE RESULTS WE SHOWED YOU SOME DATA OF THE ISLAND AND THROUGH A PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT PERHAPS WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT OUR RESPONSIBILITY IN A PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT VERSUS THE PARTNER RESPONSIBILITY. RIGHT. SO LEFT SIDE OF THE BRAIN VERSUS RIGHT SIDE OF THE BRAIN TOWN RESPONSIBILITY LAND CONTRIBUTION.

WE DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE TODAY WHETHER THAT'S A DOLLAR MARKET VALUE MARKET VALUE LESS 25 PERCENT LEASED. CHARLESTON'S MODEL IS THEY'RE STARTING TO LOOK AT AND I'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THEIR CHIEF LEGAL COUNSEL. THEY LEASE THE PROPERTY, THEY KEEP CONTROL OF THE PROPERTY. THERE ARE OTHER DEALS THAT WE KNOW OF THAT THE LAND WAS CONTRIBUTED. SO I THINK IT ALL DEPENDS ON HOW DO WE PROCEED AND THOSE ARE DECISIONS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE IN THE FUTURE PERMIT AND INSTALL PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE

UP TO A MILLION DOLLARS ON LEFT SIDE SECOND. >> SECOND POINT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT'S THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN FUNDS ROAD WATER, SEWER, STORMWATER POTENTIALLY BROADBAND ZONING ENTITLEMENTS. SO IF THE IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED PARKS AND REC AND IT'S NEXT TO HOUSING WE COULD AS THE PARTNER AND LAND OWNER REZONE THE PROPERTY RATHER THAN TELL SOMEBODY ELSE THAT MIGHT BE OUR PARTNER TO DO IT. FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTION TOWARD PLANNING, ENGINEERING AND ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN. I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THAT.

I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT IT BECAUSE IF WE'RE CONTRIBUTING WE HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE AND WE CAN AFFECT THE DESIGN OF THE SITE, THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE SITE AND NOT KEEP REACTING TO IT. I'M NOT PROPOSING THAT WE PAY EVERY PENNY OF IT BUT I THINK SOME SOME CONTRIBUTION AS AN INCENTIVE TO OUR PARTNER MIGHT MAKE A LITTLE BIT OF SENSE.

EXPEDITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW AND PERMITTING NO MATTER WHO YOU TALK TO THEY SAY TIME IS MONEY, INTEREST CARRY MATTERS AND THAT IF WE CAN EXPEDITE IT AND TREAT THE PROJECT AS A PARTNER OR YOU KNOW AS A PARTNERSHIP AND WE HELP EXPEDITE THAT ON OUR OWN ACCORD AND THAT WE REDUCE OR ELIMINATE APPLICABLE TOWN FEES WHILE WE CAN'T AND WE HEARD FROM MR. GREENWAY TODAY WE CANNOT JUST ELIMINATE OR REDUCE BEAUFORT COUNTY IMPACT FEES.

>> YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO EITHER A PAY FOR THOSE IMPACT FEES AS PART OF THE PROJECT AND OR B REDUCE OUR OWN FEES OR DEVELOPMENT PERMIT OUR BUILDING PERMIT AND SOME OF THOSE FEES.

WHAT WOULD A PARTNER BRING TO THE TABLE THAT DEMONSTRATED EXPERIENCE TO DEVELOP?

>> RIGHT. SO FROM A FINANCIAL CAPABILITY TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT IN A COST EFFECTIVE MANNER, WE'RE LOOKING FOR AN EXPERIENCED TEAM NOT YOU KNOW, NOT LOOKING FOR THIS SOMEONE'S FIRST PROJECT HERE WE NEED A TRACK RECORD. WE NEED TO GO SEE TOUCH AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE CAPABLE OF FROM THERE. ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS, CONTRACTORS, THE WHOLE WHOLE NINE YARDS. THEY NEED AN ABILITY TO CARRY OUT THE ACTIVITIES, THE PLANNED PERMIT FINANCE AND IMPLEMENT. AND THAT'S GOING TO BE THROUGH A CASH FLOW PRO FORMA ANALYSIS. RIGHT. AND SO IS THIS THIS POTENTIAL PARTNER WE WOULD HAVE TO SIT DOWN AT THE TABLE AND START UNDERSTANDING HOW THEY'RE

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>> AMONGST AMONGST THE COUNCIL AND PRODUCE A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S OPERATIONALLY SUSTAINABLE THAT WE WOULD ALSO ASK THAT THE PARTNER ESTABLISH A DOWNPAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM. THERE ARE FUNDS AT THE STATE LEVEL.

THERE ARE FUNDS AT NONPROFIT LEVELS. THERE ARE FUNDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR DOWNPAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS. I THINK THAT IF THIS IS GOING TO BE A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT WE NEED TO PERHAPS REQUEST THAT OF A POTENTIAL PARTNER AND THAT THERE BE A WE WROTE HIGH QUALITY FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, NOT A CHECK THE BOX HOME

BUYER EDUCATION PROGRAM AND COUNSELING. >> BUT A REAL ONE SOMEONE TEACHES SOMEBODY HOW TO PROPERLY OWN AND SUSTAIN THEIR HOME.

AND I'VE SEEN SOME REAL GOOD EXAMPLES OF THAT. IT'S IN OFF PERSONALLY SOME SOME GOOD SUCCESS STORIES OF GOOD DOWNPAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS AND GOOD HOMEBUYER EDUCATION CLASSES. THERE'S THERE'S A LOT TO STILL DO.

SO WE NEED TO ASSEMBLE OUR MUNICIPAL TEAM, WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M CLEAR ABOUT THIS TOWN COUNCIL'S INVOLVEMENT, OUR STAFF'S INVOLVEMENT CONSULTANTS, FINANCIAL ADVISOR, ARCHITECT, BOND COUNSEL AS WELL AS COMMUNITY MEMBERS. ALL RIGHT.

WE TALK A LOT ABOUT THIS PROJECT BUT WE NEED TO DEFINITELY INCLUDE THE COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS, COMMUNITY LEADERS. WE NEED TO ASSEMBLE A DEVELOPMENT TEAM AND THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLAYERS THERE AND ENLIST THEM ALL AND THEN

SOME CONSIDERATIONS GETTING BACK TO THE QUESTIONS EARLIER. >> I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS TODAY. DO WE WANT TO RENT OR SELL OR DO WE WANT MULTI-FAMILY OR

SINGLE FAMILY OR DUPLEX TO WHAT IS THE PRODUCT TYPE? >> WE'RE BUILDING A NEIGHBORHOOD. I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO HAVE A RANGE OF PRODUCT TYPES.

WHAT IS THE AIM? I RAGE 60, 80, 100, 120, 150. YOU KNOW, IN AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE THE CONVERSATION IS ALWAYS A FEW WAYS ABOUT AFFORDABLE OR WORKFORCE.

YOU ALWAYS HEAR ABOUT LOW TO MODERATE INCOME AND YOU'LL NOTICE TODAY THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE ABOUT LOW MODERATE INCOME YOU KNOW AND AS MUCH AS I CAN. IT'S HOUSING.

I DON'T THINK WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD NOR AM I TRYING TO ADVOCATE TO BUILD MARKET RATE HOUSING. BUT A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION SOMETIMES ON YOUR AIM MY RANGE IS AFFORDABLE AT THE LOWER END OF YOUR INDEX AND YOUR WORKFORCE IS AT THE HIGHER LEVEL OF YOUR INDEX AND THOSE LOW TO MODERATE INCOME CONVERSATIONS.

>> I HAVEN'T FOUND ONE CLEAR DEFINITION. I'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO THINK ABOUT IT AS WORKFORCE IS UP AROUND YOUR CAP THAT'S JUST BELOW YOUR MARKET RATE RIGHT.

SO IN SOME PLACES THAT'S 120 HERE BASED UPON WHAT I SHOWED YOU TODAY.

IT'S SOMEWHERE AROUND 135 OR 140. THAT'S WHERE THE GAP STARTS AFTER THAT. AND THAT'S WHY I SHOULD SAY THAT'S WHERE THE MARKET RATE STARTS AFTER THAT. AND THERE'S SOME GAP BELOW AND AFFORDABLE HERE IS, YOU KNOW, LESS LESS THAN 80 LESS THAN 80 PERCENT OF OUR EMI ARGUABLY IN SOME CASES WE COULD PROBABLY

ALSO SAY IF WE'RE CHINA, HOW'S THE WORKFORCE WEAKENED? >> COULD WE COULD PROBABLY SAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT A HOUSING BEAUFORT HOUSING AUTHORITY DEFINITION.

I'M SURE THEY'LL THEY'LL SCHOOL ME ON FEDERAL POLICY AS IT RELATES TO THESE DEFINITIONS.

BUT I'M GOING TO ALWAYS GET US BACK TO WHAT ARE THE LOCAL DEFINITIONS AND HOW DO WE CALIBRATE THIS LOCALLY TO SERVE THE NEEDS WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT THESE ITEMS THAT RENT SELL PRODUCT TYPE EMI LAND VALUE SITE PLANNING WHAT ARE THE TERMS?

>> IS IT DENSE? IS IT NOT? >> PUT THIS UP HERE SO THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE AT LEAST STAFF'S COMING FROM ONE I'M NOT SHOWING UP TODAY SAYING I HAVE PRECONCEIVED NOTIONS WHETHER THERE SHOULD BE MULTIFAMILY SINGLE FAMILY OR SOMETHING IN BETWEEN. WE KNOW THAT IT NEEDS TO BE ENERGY EFFICIENT, THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME PROGRAMED FOOD SUPPLY AS PART OF THE OPEN SPACE THAT THE MATERIALS NEED TO BE PERVIOUS. SO IT SHOULD BE A SHOWCASE REALLY OUR FLAGSHIP RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY AS MUCH AS WE CAN HAVE A WATER NEUTRAL SITE WHERE WE CAPTURE STORMWATER ON SITE AND FILTER IT, IT'S NOT JUST A SMALL FIVE LOTS SUBDIVISION AND GO THAT THE LANDSCAPING MATTERS ,THE ENVIRONMENT MATTERS AND THAT THE PROXIMITY TO SCHOOL SERVICES AND SOME TRANSPORTATION WE SIMPLY FOR NOW JUST PUT SOME SOME REFERENCE PHOTOS UP TOP 1 I DON'T WANT THE TOP RIGHT TO SCARE YOU BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT THE WHOLE COMMUNITIES COTTAGE LIVING AND SO AS WE LOOKED AT THIS WE HAD A LAND PLANNER WHAT WERE KEIFER

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MODELS REALLY. >> THIS IS A TOWN HOME JUST FROM A CAPACITY STANDPOINT AND IF WE BACK UP YOU CAN SEE FOR A POINT OF REFERENCE SORRY POINT REFERENCE.

HERE'S THE SITE. HERE'S THE POST OFFICE. THERE'S MARSH POINT DRIVE.

HEADING OUT. SO AS WE TOOK A LOOK AT THE SITE AGAIN POINT OF REFERENCE POST OFFICE THERE'S THE WATER TOWER AND HERE WOULD BE THE SITE.

THIS THIS CAPACITY STUDY IS YOU HAVE THE PRESENTATION IN FRONT OF YOU, SHAWN, MY OLD 50 YEAR OLD EYES IS THAT TWELVE POINT POINT SIX TO TWELVE POINT SIX TO ACRES.

>> READ ME ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF SEVENTY NINE DWELLING UNIT THE DENSITY OF SIX POINT THREE OH YEAH WHERE IT IS SIX POINT THREE DENSITY HERE WE HAVE A LOT OF REFERENCE PROPERTIES ON THIS ISLAND CROSSWINDS. ONE OF MY FAVORITE SUBDIVISIONS ON THE ISLAND FROM A DENSITY STANDPOINT IS SOMEWHERE ABOUT SIX EIGHT ISH. YOU REALLY CAN FIT IT IN WITH SOME GOOD STREETS AND SOME GOOD PLANNING. SO THAT'S A TOWN TOWNHOME PRODUCT. IT HAS OPEN SPACE POCKET PARKS ON STREET PARKING FRONT AND REAR LOADED TOWNHOMES AND IN AS IMPORTANT EVERYTHING ONE STORMWATER TREATMENT ON SITE THAT'S MORE FUNCTIONAL AND AS AN AMENITY NOT IN THE TOP LEFT CORNER BUT A ROAD HOPEFULLY THAT COULD PUNCH THROUGH THE POST OFFICE ON THE FAR SIDE OF IT AND WE HAVE SOME WORK TO

DO THERE WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE POSTMASTER. >> BUT IF THIS ROAD COULD PUNCH THROUGH WE HAVE VERY GOOD ACCESS IF I CAN FIND THAT SHE JUST REAL QUICK JUST SHOW YOU WHAT I MEANT RIGHT HERE. WE HAVE VERY GOOD ACCESS INTO AND THROUGH YOU KNOW, THESE THESE DRIVES AND THESE ROADS THAT COULD CONNECT TO THE SCHOOL.

BY NO MEANS IS IT A SOLUTION YET IT'S CONCEPTS. AND THEN AGAIN ANOTHER OPTION IS MULTI-FAMILY SECOND VERSE SEAN HOW MANY TO DO USE ON THE MULTI-FAMILY?

>> A HUNDRED AND THIRTY SIX AT TEN POINT EIGHT. RIGHT.

AND THIS IS MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS. BUT MY RECOMMENDATION REALLY IS IF WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BUILDING THE RIGHT NEIGHBORHOOD NOT JUST TRYING TO MAX OUT UNITS. THAT'S THE AUTOMATIC AIM WE EVER TO GET AS MANY UNITS AS WE POSSIBLY CAN GET AND THEN DO WE LEAVE SOME OPEN SPACE IN FUNCTIONALITY AND GOOD LIVING ON THE TABLE? I THINK THAT MY RECOMMENDATION YOU KNOW, TO BE A PART OF THE ARCHITECTURE AND DESIGN IS FOR THAT REASON ONE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS ADDING VALUE TO HILTON HEAD ISLAND AND THAT THEY SITE IS VERY LIVABLE BUT THOSE ARE TOO CAPACITY STUDIES AND SO NEXT STEPS I WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED WITH THOSE TWO PROGRAMS THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN PROGRAMS TO THE MARCH FDA COMMITTEE.

I DON'T NEED A RECOMMENDATION BUT WITHOUT ANY KNOWS DON'T COME FORWARD.

I'M GONNA BRING FORWARD THE HOME SAFETY AND REPAIR FOR MARCH THROUGH MR. LENNOX'S COMMITTEE. WE'LL ALSO PROCEED WITH THE SEWER CONNECTION PROGRAM ON THE

MARCH FDA COMMITTEE. >> COUNCILMAN BROWN, I'LL TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR YOUR COMMON EARLY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M 100 PERCENT UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR AND THEN LET'S PROCEED WITH THE HOUSING PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP ON FOR THIS FOR JUST NOW ONE SITE ,ONE DEAL. LET'S LEARN LET'S LEARN ALLOCATE THE MILLION DOLLARS IN PRINCIPLE TOWARDS THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

LET'S BE CLEAR THAT WE HAVE THOSE DOLLARS AS WE SEEK OUR PARTNER RELEASE THE RF Q NO LATER THAN MARCH 31 AND ESTABLISHED. MY RECOMMENDATION IS SOME VERSION OF AD HOC HOUSING COMMITTEE TO ASSESS AND ADVISE ON THE PUBLIC POLICY PROJECT FRAMEWORK FOR TOWN COUNCIL CONSIDERATION THAT COULD INCLUDE VARIOUS DIFFERENT FOLKS. COMMUNITY MEMBERS. STAFF MEMBERS, COUNCIL MEMBERS HE COULD GO THROUGH ONLY OF PARTICULAR COMMITTEE. IT COULD BE SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS PLUS A COUPLE STAFF MEMBERS. I THINK WE HAVE TO THINK THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT AND MAKE HELPED ME MAKE SOME DECISIONS ONE.

THIS IS NOT WHAT SHAWN AND I CAN FIGURE OUT BY HERSELF AND FIND A PARTNER.

WE HAVE TO RELEASE THEY ARE. Q WE HAVE TO ASSESS IT. WE INTERVIEW AND WE HAVE TO BRING BACK TO TOWN COUNCIL SOME OF SOME OF THOSE RESULTS SO THAT WE CAN CONFIDENTLY MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CONTRACT. AND THERE'S NO WAY TO THERE'S NO QUICK WAY TO DO THAT.

AND IT'S NOT A STAFF LEVEL ONLY. AND MY STRONG RECOMMENDATION I I'M ALSO AS A FOLLOW UP TO LAST COUNCIL MEETING WE'RE ALSO EXPLORING A DEVELOPMENT

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SO WHY WOULD WE BE IN A DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION MODEL AND NOT JUST THE MODEL IS PRESENTED IN THE TERM SHEET. BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SOME PROGRAM THAT WE WANT IF WE WANT SOME PROGRAM PROCEEDS AND WE WANT TO BE IN THE BUSINESS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT IS MORE COMPLICATED PERHAPS THAT IS FOR THE SECOND, THIRD OR FOURTH TIME.

I'M I DID NOT MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TODAY THAT THAT BE FOR OUR FIRST OUT OF THE GATE SIMPLY TO MR HARKINS POINT OF SPEED TO MARKET. GETTING THIS ON THE STREET, ESTABLISHING A DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION WILL TAKE SOME TIME AND BE IN OUR WAY IS NOT TO SAY THE DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION IF IF NOT JUST THE STONY BUT PERHAPS A BIGGER LOOK AT IT IN

THE FUTURE. IT MIGHT HELP US. >> AND THEN ALSO EXPLORE TOWN OWNED AND PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTIES. THE ONE THE ONE GOOD IDEA CAME CAME TO ME FROM FROM A COUPLE OF PEOPLE OVER TIME AS MARK IF SOMEONE HAS A PRIVATE PIECE OF PROPERTY AND A GOOD LOCATION. COULD THE TOWN NOT PROVIDE

THESE SAME INCENTIVES INFRASTRUCTURE? >> COULD WE BUILD A ROAD? COULD WE PUT THE SEWER LINE IN? COULD WE MAKE THE THE PUBLIC COULD WE MAKE THE INFRASTRUCTURE PUBLIC ON PRIVATE PROPERTY? BUT YOU KNOW, WE CLAIM THE RIGHT OF WAY WE PUT SOME SEWER WATER AND WHATNOT IN STORMWATER EVEN OPEN SPACE AND IN WORK TO ADVANCE SOME PRIVATE PROPERTIES . I THINK WE JUST NEED TO KEEP EXPLORING THAT. BUT FOR TODAY WHAT I'VE MADE THE PROPOSAL ON REALLY IS TO ADVANCE THE POST OFFICE TRACT THROUGH A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.

I HAVE WE HAVE SOME REAL GOOD RF Q SAMPLES. WE CAN CALIBRATE IT BASED UPON TODAY'S DISCUSSION AND FEEDBACK. AND IF YOU WOULD SO CHOOSE LET ME PROCEED WITH HOME REPAIR SEWER CONNECTION AND RELEASE NRF.

Q I THINK WE'RE GONNA LEARN A LOT WHEN WE RELEASED THE ART. Q I KNOW THAT THERE'S FOLKS PROBABLY EVEN SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY THAT SAYS THIS WON'T WORK.

AND I ALSO HAVE PEOPLE CALLING ME SAYING WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO RELEASE THE RF Q? I CAN'T. WHEN CAN WE GET STARTED? DO I HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS? SO WE'RE GOING TO HEAR A LOT. AND WHAT I WHAT I DO KNOW HAVING BEEN THROUGH THIS IN THE PAST IS WE'RE GOING TO LEARN A LOT ABOUT DEVELOPING WORKFORCE

AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING. >> CALL IT WHAT YOU WILL. WE'RE GOING TO LEARN A LOT ABOUT HILTON HEAD ISLAND COSTS LAND VALUES, FINANCING WHO'S INTERESTED?

>> WE'RE GOING TO LEARN A LOT THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND. HOUSING A HOUSING PARTNERSHIP THAT CHARLESTON RELEASED SOME TIME AGO. THEY GOT THREE BIDS FOR OTHER TIMES THEY DON'T GET A LOT.

AND OTHER TIMES THEY GET A WHOLE BUNCH DEPENDING ON THE SITE, DEPENDING ON THE OF THAT,

DEPENDING ON THE CAPACITY OF THE DEVELOPER AT THAT TIME. >> WHO KNOWS IF FOLKS ARE OUT THERE THAT ARE READY TO GO RIGHT NOW OR SAY THIS IS BAD TIMING AND SO I ENCOURAGE US ONE LET'S RELEASE THIS RF Q MY PHONE WILL RING. IT'S NEVER GOING TO WORK.

NEED TO PUT THREE MILLION DOLLARS IN. IT'S GOT TO BE MARKET RATE.

TOWN NEEDS TO OWN THE PROPERTY . I'M GOING TO HEAR THAT AND I KNOW I WILL AND I'M ALSO GONNA ASK BE ASKED BY FOLKS WHY DO I HAVE TO WAIT FOR MARCH 30 FIRST LET'S GET GOING. WHAT CAN WE DO MORE TO MOVE THE MARCH 30 FIRST DATE?

>> NOTHING. I WANT TO HAVE MARCH 30 FIRST DATE BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I DEDICATE THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF TIME INTO THAT. RF Q IT'S ARGUABLY 30 ISH DAYS AWAY IT IF I CAN DO IT SOONER I WILL YOU PLEASE KNOW THAT FOR ME.

AND THAT'S WHY I WROTE NO LATER THAN ONE ROUND OF QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC. TAMMY THANK YOU. SO I JOT DOWN A LOT OF NOTE TO M JUST STAYING CONSISTENT WITH SOME OF MY THOUGHTS ON HOUSING .

>> THERE ARE TWO THERE ARE TWO PLANS. >> THERE IS ONE WITH FOUR THAT

TRACK. >> THERE IS ONE THAT HAS MORE OF AN OFFICE SETTING.

>> THERE IS I THINK THE PRINT IS VERY SMALL SO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG AND ON THE OTHER

WHICH IS MORE OF A SINGLE FAMILY TOWN HOME TYPE OF PLACE. >> I THINK WE NEED TO APPRECIATE STATE HOUSING FOR VARIOUS STAGES OF LIFE WORKFORCE AND AFFORDABLE TO ME.

WORKFORCE AFFORDABLE TO ME MEANS ROUGHLY THE SAME THING AND I'LL EXPLAIN WHY I SAY THAT

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PART OF OUR WORKFORCE IN MY MIND IS IS SOMEWHAT INSULTING. >> AND AND SO OUR WORKFORCE

INCORPORATES OUR AFFORDABLE. >> WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LOOK AT IT IN THE VARIOUS STAGES OF LIFE. AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED THERE ARE THOSE WHO ARE YOUNG OR SINGLE AND SOME OF THE HOUSING THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED IN THE EARLY PART OF THIS PRESENTATION IS COMPLETELY APPROPRIATE WITH DORMITORY AND ONE BEDROOM RENTAL TYPE SITUATIONS.

>> AND THEN THERE'S HOUSING THAT FITS BOTH THE WORKFORCE SLASH AFFORDABLE DEFINITION THAT NEEDS TO BE AVAILABLE SO THAT PEOPLE HAVE THEIR FOOT FIRMLY PLANTED ON HILTON HEAD

IN MY MIND. >> OUR COMMUNITY THAT IS PART OF THIS PROJECT THAT WE'RE WORKING ON ARE THOSE THAT WE WANT TO BRING IN AS TRUE PARTNERS IN TOWN OF HILTON HEAD AS RESIDENTS CONTRIBUTORS AND THE BEST WAY FOR THAT TO HAPPEN IS TO GIVE THEM THAT NEXT FOOT

IN THE DOOR OF THEIR NEXT RESIDENCE. >> I'M A HUGE HABITAT FOR

HUMANITY ADVOCATE. >> I WOULD LOVE TO SEE OPPORTUNITIES MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO ESTABLISH A PURCHASE AND OWNERSHIP IN LAND AND BE PREPARED TO GET SOME EQUITY OUT OF THEIR HARD WORK IN THE LONG RUN.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CONCERNS ME IS THAT A AS WE DISCUSSED I DON'T THINK WE'LL EVER SATISFY WHAT THE CONSULTANTS PUT IN THERE NOR DO I THINK WE NEED TO PUT THAT AS

OUR GOAL. >> WE DO HAVE PEOPLE WHO WILL WANT TO LIVE ELSEWHERE AND CROSS THE BRIDGE AND WE WILL ALSO HAVE PEOPLE ONCE UNLESS THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT THEIR FOOT FIRMLY HERE AND GAIN SOME EQUITY OVER TIME NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD THAT NEXT STEP THAT HOUSES HAPPENS ON HILTON HEAD AND THAT'S BOUGHT OUT BY THE STATISTICS THAT YOU SHOWED ALSO EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION WITH REGARD TO AVERAGE PRICE HOMES.

>> RIGHT. SO SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID MARC THAT RESONATED WITH ME WAS THAT WE'RE BUILDING A COMMUNITY A NEIGHBORHOOD AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT

THIS. >> IT'S A NEW NEIGHBORHOOD THAT TRIES TO ADDRESS NOT JUST ONE SINGULAR PART OF THE PICTURE OR THE OTHER BUT TRIES TO REALLY GIVE PEOPLE OPPORTUNITY AND STILL STAY WITHIN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND ON HILTON HEAD WITH THEIR FIRM FEET FIRMLY PLANTED AS PART OF OUR RESIDENTIAL CONTRIBUTING COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU, BILL. FIRST TO HELP I'LL TAKE THE COMMENT ON PUBLIC WHICH FAIRLY WAS OFFENSIVE. IT WAS AN INTENDED IT TO BE. I MEAN I I WAS RELIEVED WHEN I SAW A TOWN RESPONSIBILITY. YOU PUT THAT CHART UP THERE, PLEASE.

>> I'LL BE CLEAR WHILE I'M SLOWLY CLICKING I WASN'T OFFENDED BUT JUST MAKE SURE THAT I THINK TOWN RESPONSIBILITY THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES TO ME ARE ON GUARD. THEY'RE CREATIVE. THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING NOT EVERYBODY DOES. AND YES, YOU ARE USING TOWN MONEY TO DO THAT DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY. BUT THE VIEW HAS TO BE NOT FROM AN ACCOUNTING STANDPOINT IN TERMS OUTFLOW OF FUNDS BUT FROM THE INVESTMENT STANDPOINT IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC LOOKING AT THE ECONOMICS OF THIS COMMUNITY AND INVESTING LAND TIME AND COLIN TO A VERY IMPORTANT NEED.

I DON'T SEE I SEE THE TOWN SHARPENING ITS PENCIL IN TERMS OF DEMANDING HIGH QUALITY HIGH PERFORMANCE. YOU HAVE AN AWFUL LOT OF POWER SETTING THE TABLE.

YOU MAY LOOK YOU MAY WANT TO BE LOOKING AT SOME CLAWBACK IF WE END UP LEASING FOR A DOLLAR A YEAR, IF THE IF THE PARTNER DOESN'T PERFORM RIGHT, YOU'VE GOT TO THINK OF SOME PENALTIES GIVEN HUMAN NATURE WHAT IT IS. BUT I LIKE WHAT I SEE IN IN TERMS OF THE RFP THE FIRMS THAT

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BREVITY IS IMPORTANT. IT SPEAKS TO THEIR BRAINPOWER AND AVAILABILITY TO PERFORM.

SO I WOULDN'T I'D USE YOUR BEST JUDGMENT BUT I WOULDN'T PUT THAT OUT FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. OTHER THAN THAT I LIKE THE IDEA .

ORIGINALLY I THOUGHT WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE TIMELINE WE WEREN'T GOING TO DO MUCH OF ANYTHING TILL YOU WRESTLED WITH A VERY IMPORTANT OWN WORDS PROJECT AND THAT IS DETERMINING TRUTH AND THE TRUE LEGAL CAPACITY FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE OWN.

THAT'S A LONG PRODUCTION LINE BEFORE YOU GET TO MARKET WITH EVERYTHING YOU'RE GOING TO SELL. SO I LIKE THE IDEA YOU REALLY FAST TRACKING THIS BY LOOKING AT THE POST OFFICE PRODUCT THAT'S CLEAN IT'S CLEAN IN THE SENSE OF WHAT WE CAN DO.

IT'S NOT CLEAN YET. IN TERMS OF THE STATE GOVERNMENT IN TERMS OF MAYBE INGRESS AND EGRESS, IT'S PROBABLY NOT CLEAN IN TERMS OF THE POST OFFICE.

I THINK WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING THERE IS PROBABLY NOT CLEAN IN TERMS OF EXITING THAT AREA AND GETTING ON ON THE ROAD THAT WOULD BRING YOU TO THE SCHOOL OR TO THE REC CENTER.

BUT THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE CAN WORK WITH. SO I COMMEND YOU FOR MOVING.

THANK YOU. AGAIN IN THIS DIRECTION. THANK YOU.

YES. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO JUST SAY THAT EVERY UNIT COUNTS.

RIGHT? I MEAN I CAN ARGUE BACK AND FORTH.

TWO THOUSAND IS OUR NUMBER. NOT IF IT'S 100 STILL. EVERY UNIT COUNTS.

RIGHT. I GUESS THE THE LAST LINE DID YOU HEAD UP THIS COME LAYING OUT NEXT STEPS IN THIS SOME I GUESS BULLETS UNDER THE NOT IN THE POST OFFICE COLUMN AND I GUESS WE'LL SPEAK TO THERE TO SUBMIT. I'M GOING BACK TO YOUR FOURTH PRINCIPLE IN ONE OF YOUR EARLIER SLIDES AND CENTERS FOR HOUSING SHOULD BE APPLIED IN AN EQUAL MANNER SO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS ON THE ISLAND CAN'T REALIZE THE ECONOMIC VALUE

OF THEIR PROPERTY. >> AND HERE WE SEE IN THE BOTTOM NEXT STEP TOWN OWNED PROPERTY AND PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTIES TO ADVANCE HOUSING OPTIONS AND OPPORTUNITIES.

I THINK THAT'S KEY. OKAY. I'M I CAN APPRECIATE.

LET'S TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THE NORTH END POST OFFICE. BUT I'D LIKE FOR US TO EXPLORE IT IS MORE AGGRESSIVELY ALSO AND HERE'S WHY. THE TOWN PROPERTY IS NOT UNDER ANY PRESSURE WE DIDN'T KNOW FOR SALE SIGNS ON IT THE WAY ABOUT SOMEBODY COMING IN, PICKING IT UP, CONVERTED IT INTO A SHORT TERM RENTAL. OK.

SOMEBODY PICKING IT UP. DEVELOPING HOUSING THAT IS WAY OVER MARKET PRICE TOWNS.

PROPERTY DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME PRESSURE THE PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTIES HAVE.

AND UNLESS WE ARE AGGRESSIVE IN THAT AREA WE CAN NOT NSA BE FULFILLING OUR GOAL LONG TERM.

ALL RIGHT. SO THAT WHAT I THINK NEEDS A BIT MORE MEAT ON THE BONE.

WE'VE GOT THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT THAT WANT TO DO PROJECTS AND THEY MAY NOT BE HOME PROJECTS BUT THEIR PROJECTS AND THEY COULD FIT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING NEED HERE ON HILTON HEAD. IF THERE WAS SOME ASSISTANCE FROM THE TOWN AND GETTING OVER THE HUMP, I'D SAY MR. MAYOR, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR.

OH, WE ASK OURSELVES THE QUESTION PEARLS AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, WHAT IS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF LAND ASSETS THAT ARE NON INCOME PRODUCING ON THE TOWN'S BALANCE SHEET? AND WE ALSO RECOGNIZE IN ASKING THAT QUESTION THAT MUCH OF THAT LAND IS RESTRICTED IN ITS SHARES BECAUSE OF THE COVENANTS THAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER. BUT THERE ARE LAND HOLDINGS THAT ARE UNRESTRICTED AND WE REALLY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION EXCEPT TO SAY THAT WE DO REALIZE THAT THERE'S A LARGE PART OF THE COMMUNITY THAT BELIEVES ALL OF THOSE LANDHOLDER THINGS SHOULD BE CLEAN AND GREEN FOREVER REGARDLESS OF THE RESTRICTIONS OR LACK THEREOF.

>> SO TO PROPOSE SOMETHING LIKE THIS TODAY IS WATERSHED NO LONGER.

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WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THAT DEMAND FOR RENTALS LONG TERM RENTALS ON THE ISLAND IS.

WE'VE HAD ONE EXAMPLE AND SHELTER COVE AND THEY'RE CERTAINLY NOT AFFORDABLE.

BUT WATER WALK APARTMENTS I UNDERSTAND ARE NOW FULLY, FULLY LEASED.

>> THAT TOOK LONGER THAN SE DEVELOPMENT ORIGINALLY THOUGHT .

WHY DID IT TAKE LONGER? WHO'S IN THERE? ARE THEY ISLAND RESIDENTS OR ARE THEY NEW TO THE ISLAND? ARE THEY ALL ARE THEY YOUNG? ARE THEIR KIDS OR NOT? WE MISSED A GLORIOUS OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP DATAPOINTS ON THE LEASE UP

OF WATER. >> WHAT WE HAVE NOW ON GARDINER ROAD, THE OLD CHRISTIAN ACADEMY SITE WHERE WE'VE GOT TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY MARKET RATE UNITS BEING COMPLETED AND THEY'RE GOING TO LEASE UP I SUGGEST THAT WE FIND SOME WAY TO UNDERSTAND WHO THE RENTERS ARE, WHO'S GOING IN AGAIN? ARE THEY SIMPLY PEOPLE RELOCATING FROM THE ISLAND OR ARE THEY NEW TO THE. WHAT TYPE OF PERSON WANTS TO RENT?

>> LONG TERM ON HILTON HEAD ISLAND. THAT'LL HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT WE GO IN TO HERE AND CERTAINLY IF WE BUILD THIS PROJECT OR FEARED I SAY WHEN WE BUILD THIS PROJECT WE'VE GOT TO UNDERSTAND WHO WANTS TO LIVE THERE.

>> AND IF THIS IS TO BE A SUCCESS, WE'VE GOT TO UNDERSTAND OUR MARKET MORE FULLY. SO WHEN WE BUILD THE SECOND ONE WE CAN DO IT MORE EFFECTIVELY.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. I WANT TO THANK THE TOWN

MANAGER AND THE STAFF. >> THIS IS THE BEST PUBLIC MEETING, THE BEST WORKSHOP I HAVE EVER PARTICIPATED IN ON THIS ISLAND. THIS IS OUTSTANDING AND I SALUTE YOU AND SAY SINCERE APPRECIATION TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK IN COMING UP WITH SOME WONDERFUL IDEAS. WE TALK SOME HERE ABOUT DEFINITIONS. IF I GO BACK TO OUR WORKFORCE HOW CONSULTANT DON'T GET HUNG UP IN THAT JUST CALL IT WORKFORCE AND THAT'S WHAT I DO MOVING FORWARD AND I THINK

THAT'S A DEFINITION THAT'S IN OUR ORDINANCE. >> THEN WE TALK ABOUT WHAT DOES WORKFORCE MEAN IS OUR CALL OUR IN OUR ORDINANCE WORKFORCE MEANS 60 TO 80 PERCENT AMA.

WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO BE VARYING THAT WE CAN BUT WE NEED TO VARY THAT BY CHANGING THAT ORDINANCE. THIS PROGRAM TODAY BEGAN OFF GENERAL BROAD MARKET STROKES AND I WAS WORRIED THAT I WAS GOING TO COME OUT OF HERE WITHOUT A SPECIFIC GOAL IN MIND. BUT I WAS WRONG AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE GONE FROM THE GENERAL IDENTIFYING THE PROBLEM DOWN TO A SPECIFIC

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I SPENT HOURS WITH HIM ONE DAY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW HIS BUSINESS WORKED AND HOW THE INDUSTRY WORKED AND THE ANSWER WAS 9 PERCENT INCOME TAX CREDITS AND THE FEDERAL LAW.

WE WERE TOLD THAT THE STATE DEFINITION THAT ALLOWED THOSE FUNDS TO COME HERE WAS SO RESTRICTIVE THAT IT WOULDN'T MEET ANY PIECE OF PROPERTY HERE ON THAT ISLAND.

SINCE THEN THERE HAVE BEEN REVISIONS IN THAT WHICH WERE IDENTIFIED TO MAKE IT MORE LIBERAL AND SO APPARENTLY THAT GOOD WORK HERE. I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING IN CONJUNCTION WITH 9 PERCENT TAX CREDITS TO SLOW DOWN OR EMPTY ANYTHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF BUILDING PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS AND SPECIFICALLY DOING A PROJECT ON THE NORTH END POST OFFICE SITE. SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITIES HERE AND I'M COMMITTED TO WORK ON IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

CURTIS TO BE PART OF ANY COMMENT, SIR? NO, THIS IS NO.

THIS IS THIS IS 100 PERCENT OF POLICY DISCUSSION. AT THIS POINT AT THIS POINT WE'LL TAKE COMMENTS FROM THE CITIZENS NOW. EVERYBODY HAS THREE MINUTES TO READ NO DEROGATORY OR ANY MARKS AGAINST THE IT'S THE COUNCIL AND WE'LL SORT IN HIS CORNER WALK AWAY AROUND, RIGHT? YES. YOUR FIRST GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS MARION MINETTI AT THE NET FULL TIME RESIDENT ON HILTON HEAD SINCE 2000 AND ALSO A REALTOR AND I'VE SEEN IT ALL. I HAVE BEEN SITTING IN TOWN COUNCIL FROM MAYOR PEOPLES ON AND THIS SAME CONVERSATION HAS BEEN HEARD ALL THOSE YEARS I HAVE ATTENDED MANY, MANY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT MEETINGS WITH CHARLESTON, GREENVILLE, CARLO, RATO FLORIDA AND THEY'VE ALL BEEN HERE AND IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOU YOU KNOW I'M GROWING OLDER, I'M BECOMING A BLONDE ONE STRAND AT A TIME AND THAT WAS ALL BRUNETTE WHEN I STARTED HERE.

>> SO I DON'T KNOW IF I'LL LIVE TO SEE THIS BUT THE GRACE OF GOD I HOPE SO.

>> I WOULD FIRST LIKE TO ASK THE TOWN MANAGER IF I COULD HAVE A COMPLETE COPY OF THE PRESENTATION IN ON PAPER SO I WON'T HAVE TO GO ON THE INTERNET BECAUSE I WANT TO ANSWER AND MAKE MY COMMENTS TO EACH ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT YOU SPOKE ABOUT TODAY AND AND I WANT TO CLEAR ONE THING THAT WAS SAID WITH REGARDS TO THE HABITAT COMMUNITY IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN THAT LAND WAS NOT DONATED TIME IT WAS LIKE THE TRADE IN THERE SOMEWHERE.

>> OK, BUT THAT INFORMATION IS REPEATED CONSTANTLY AND I THINK THAT AFTER TODAY IT SHOULD NEVER EVER BE SAID IN THIS ROOM BY ANYONE IN COUNCIL THAT IT WAS DONATED BECAUSE IT WAS NOT.

I WAS ON THE HABITAT BOARD FOR SIX YEARS SO I KNOW A LOT ABOUT THAT AND I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A REAL SERIOUS HOUSING DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE THAT WOULD COMPOSE OF COUPLES,

CITIZENS, REALTORS. >> WE KNOW ALL ABOUT THE RENTAL AND THE OWNERSHIP.

WE WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE RENTALS AND WE CAN GIVE YOU ALL THAT INFORMATION WATERWORKS OR EITHER THE NEW PROJECT ON GARDENERS COUPLE OF THE TOWN COUNCIL PEOPLE AND WE NEED LEGAL REPRESENTATION BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS THIS YOU KNOW, CAN WE DO THIS LEGALLY?

>> SO MAYBE IF THE TOWN LAWYER SITTING ON THAT. >> THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY TODAY BECAUSE I WANT TO PUT EVERYTHING IN WRITING ONE LAST STATEMENT.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WORKFORCE COME INTO THIS COMMUNITY, WE NEED TO ALWAYS INCLUDE

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TRANSPORTATION. >> PARK AND RIDE TO THE ISLAND AND AS THE RAIL I CAN TELL YOU THE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING HERE ASK ABOUT CAN WE GET A BUS OR ANYTHING, GO

COUNTY SHOPPING. >> WE DEFINITELY NEED TO TALK ABOUT TRANSPORTATION.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THANK YOU MUCH THE BILLS IN THE FIRST ROW ,MR. GOOD MORNING.

>> MY NAME IS KEN CAMPBELL. I'M A RESIDENT ON THE ISLAND AND HAVE BEEN FOR MANY YEARS.

WHEN WE FIRST CAME INTO THE MEETING YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND TALKING ABOUT IMPACT FEES. I WOULD JUST MAKE MY OPINION KNOWN. I'VE BEEN IN THE HOUSING INDUSTRY FOR 50 YEARS.

IMPACT FEES CAN BE POSITIVE. THEY CAN BE VERY NEGATIVE. TAKE A LOOK OUT IN THE YARD ON THE WEST COAST IN PARTICULAR HOUSING HOUSING'S A REAL PROBLEM.

AFFORDABILITY IS A REAL PROBLEM AND THE ONE THING THEY CONSTANTLY BRING UP IS HAVE REALLY HIGH IMPACT FEES IMPACT FEES. IN MY OPINION MORE NEGATIVE THAN POSITIVE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS AN OBLIGATION THE OBLIGATION TO EDUCATE OUR CHILDREN OR GRANDCHILDREN AS AN OBLIGATION TO GO TO THE PUBLIC FOR FUNDING.

>> WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING IS A BAD CANDID WAY OF RAISING THAT. THERE'S ABOUT 8 MILLION DOLLARS THEY TALKED ABOUT SIX HUNDRED AND FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS BE NEEDED AND THEY FUNDED THREE HUNDRED AND SIXTY. I WOULD BE VERY, VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THIS ISLAND THAT ALREADY CONTRIBUTES GREATLY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OF PUTTING ANOTHER VEHICLE IN PLACE TO SUPPORT THE

SCHOOLS. >> WE BELIEVE IN EDUCATION. WE IN SUPPORTING SCHOOLS IN EVERY WAY WE CAN. WE DON'T THINK THAT'S THE WAY TO DO IT.

THANK YOU THERE. THANK YOU. WITH REGARD TO THE WORKFORCE HOUSING, WE'RE STRONG BELIEVERS IN WORKFORCE HOUSING. THERE'S NO QUESTION WHO WAS BROUGHT IT UP MIGHT HAVE BEEN YOU. MR. LENNOX ABOUT AN HOUR.

THERE'LL BE A LOT OF OPPOSITION . SOME OF IT WILL BE ON THE BASIS JUST GREEN SPACE. MOST OF IT I SUSPECT IS NIMBYISM AND THERE'S GONNA BE A GREAT AMOUNT OF THAT. SO THE ONE THING I WOULD REQUEST IS THAT YOU NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH OTHER PROJECTS THAT RESTRICT WHERE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR I'M SORRY WE'RE WORKFORCE HOUSING. I KNOW WE HAVE A HUNDRED ACRES THAT THERE ARE PLANS AND PROCESS FOR PARK THERE. I THINK THAT'S GREAT. I THINK OPEN SPACE AND PARKS ARE GOOD. THAT'S ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING.

AND THERE MAY BE RESTRICTIONS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS I GUESS I WOULD ASK A TOWN MANAGER YOU PRESENTED A LOT OF OBSTACLES AND WE KNOW THERE ARE OBSTACLES COVENANT RESTRICTIONS AND SO

ON. >> TYPICALLY WE RESET THE PRESENT OBSTACLES.

GREAT. THE PRESENT SOLUTIONS WHAT I HEARD YOU READ FROM ONE OF THE LEGAL DOCUMENTS WAS PRETTY BROAD BASED. THERE WERE A COUPLE OF POWER COUPLE OF THE PHRASES IN THERE THAT SEEMED TO LEAVE OPEN THE OPPORTUNITY FOR INTERPRETATION . SO I WOULD BEFORE I WOULD ELIMINATE ANY PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY I'D LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE OPPORTUNITIES TO REMOVE THOSE RESTRICTIONS.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DETAILS IN THE FIRST ROW? GOOD. SECOND ROW THE AND GOOD MORNING.

>> MY NAME IS SANDY GILLIS. I'M A 36 YEAR RESIDENT OF OUR TOWN AND I'M ALSO THE CURRENT DIRECTOR AT THE DEEP WALL PROJECT AND I AM SO EXCITED THAT I CAME TO THIS MEETING TODAY FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. WE HAVE BEEN WE NEED STAKE IN THE GROUND.

WE REALLY NEED A STAKE IN THE GROUND AND SHARE THAT JUST BECAUSE OUR FRIENDS AT THE DEEP WELL PROJECT SEE THE PROBLEMS WITH NOT HAVING A STAKE IN THE GROUND EVERY DAY.

WE SEE PEOPLE WHO ARE RENEWING THEIR LEASES AND THE LEASES ARE GOING FROM NINE HUNDRED OR A THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH TO FOURTEEN HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH WAGES AND RAISES CANNOT

KEEP UP WITH THAT KIND OF AN INCREASE. >> WE SEE SITUATIONS WHERE WE HAVE 12 AND 14 PEOPLE LIVING IN TWO BEDROOM APARTMENTS. WE HAVE PEOPLE 10 AND 12 PEOPLE LIVING IN SINGLE WIDE MOBILE HOMES. THIS IS NOT THE WAY IT NEEDS TO BE. AND I AM SO, SO EXCITED TO BE HERE TODAY TO SEE I CAN ALMOST

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>> GOOD MORNING, MR. MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I'M JACK ALDERMAN.

I LIVE AT 67 DOLPHIN HEAD DRIVE . I'M HERE AS AN ADVOCATE FOR HOUSING THAT'S AVAILABLE AND ATTAINABLE AND AFFORDABLE AND SUSTAINABLE.

THERE IS NOT AN ISSUE THAT IS REALLY MORE IMPORTANT TO HILTON HEAD ISLAND'S ECONOMY AT THIS

POINT THAN THIS ONE. >> YOU KNOW THAT THERE IS NOT AN ISSUE THAT IS MORE IMPORTANT TO HILTON HEAD'S QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL OF US WORKING FAMILIES AND TOURISTS AND RETIREES LIKE ME. MOST OF YOU BEHIND THE GATES THERE'S NOT AN ISSUE THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO HILTON HEAD'S FUTURE VITALITY THAN HOUSING. THERE'S NOT AN ISSUE THAT IS MORE IMPORTANT TO HILTON HEADS THE SENSE OF COMMUNITY THAN HOUSING AND IT'S AN ISSUE

THAT'S BEEN COMING AT US LIKE A FREIGHT TRAIN FOR DECADES. >> SO I'M GRATEFUL THAT THIS COUNCIL IS TALKING ABOUT IT. AND THIS TOWN MANAGER AND THE PLANNERS ARE WORKING HARD ON

IT. >> IT NEEDS TO MOVE ALONG AT A A VERY STRONG PACE AT THIS POINT. AND THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND WHY IT IS MOVING AHEAD AND I'M GLAD TO SEE WHAT IS IN MR. ORLANDO'S RECOMMENDED STEPS FOR TODAY.

I HOPE THOSE CAN MOVE ALONG VERY QUICKLY. >> I'M HERE TODAY TO ASK FOR

THINGS OF TOWN COUNCIL. >> PLEASE QUIT GIVING ATTAINABLE HOUSING SERVICE CITIZENS AND AT TIMES COUNCIL ONLY TALK INSTEAD PUT THE POWER OF TOWN GOVERNMENT BEHIND IT TO MAKE IT REAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS A GREAT THING TO TALK ABOUT A GREAT THING THE PLAN BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN A THING UNTIL THE FIRST HUNDRED NURSES AND TEACHERS AND HEALTH CARE

WORKERS AND FIRST RESPONDERS MOVE IN. >> SECOND, GIVE YOUR TOWN MANAGER AND STAFF THE SUPPORT AND RESOURCES THEY NEED TO HELP MAKE IT HAPPEN.

THIRD, MOVE THIS AHEAD WITH CREATIVE AND URGENCY. THE CLOCK IS TICKING AND THE ISLAND IS ALREADY EXPERIENCING AS YOU KNOW, THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS OF A WORKFORCE THAT

LIVES MOSTLY OFF THE ISLAND. >> AND FOURTH, QUICKLY IDENTIFY THE SUITABLE SITES FOR ATTAINABLE HOUSING AND GET TO WORK ON THOSE WITH DUE DILIGENCE RIGHT AWAY.

>> TO ME IT IS NO LONGER ACCEPTABLE FOR MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TO SAY WE LOVE ATTAINABLE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND SUSTAINABLE NEIGHBORHOODS. BUT THEN TO SAY SITE AID DOESN'T WORK. AND SITE B DOESN'T WORK. SITE C DOESN'T WORK AND SITE DOESN'T WORK. WE NEED TO MAKE SOME OF THOSE SITES WORK.

PERHAPS YOU COULD BE LOOKING FOR LEGAL OPINIONS AND PLANS THAT ADDRESS HOW TO MAKE THESE SITES WORK AS OPPOSED LEGAL OPINIONS THAT FOCUS ON WHY THEY MIGHT NOT WORK IN MY MIND SITE A IS A SMALL PORTION OF THEM THAT ISLAND DROPPED AND THAT'S ONE OF THE TRACKS THAT I THINK

DESERVES THAT KIND OF ATTENTION AT THIS POINT. >> THANK YOU.

>> JOHN MORNING, MR. MAYOR. >> MY NAME'S JOHN O'TOOLE. I'M A HILTON HEAD RESIDENT AND EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE BEAUFORT COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.

>> TOM LENNOX, COUNCILMAN LENNOX HAS SEEN ME AT REGIONAL GROUPS SAY THAT I'M REALLY FRUSTRATED, YOU KNOW THAT A LOT'S DONE FOR BIRDS AND TURTLES AND WE'VE GOT TO CARE ABOUT PEOPLE TOO. I JUST WANT TO SAY REALLY QUICKLY THAT EMPLOYEES ARE THE

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AND I DON'T THINK IT TAKES A LOT OF COURAGE BECAUSE I TRY TO MEET SOMEBODY SATURDAY AT A

PARTICULAR SPOT. >> IT WAS CLOSED BECAUSE THEY WERE UNDERSTAFFED.

I THINK MOST PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THIS ISLAND KNOW THAT THIS IS A CRISIS.

THE PLATFORM'S BURNING AND WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. AND THE LAST POINT I'LL LEAVE YOU WITH IS THAT IF THAT DOESN'T CONCERN YOU, WE KNOW IN OUR HEARTS WE HAVE TO CARE ABOUT PEOPLE AND WHATSOEVER YOU DO TO SOMEBODY WHO CAN'T FIND HOUSING YOU DO TO SOMEBODY MUCH BETTER. AND I THINK YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK AND I'M REALLY EXCITED TO BE HERE TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

I'M REESE PRINCE AND I'M HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF THE GREATER ISLAND COUNCIL GOVERNMENT

POLICY COMMITTEE. >> THERE IS AN OLD ADAGE THAT GOES IF YOU ALWAYS DO WHAT YOU'VE ALWAYS DONE, YOU'LL ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU'VE ALWAYS GOTTEN.

>> IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT WE HAVE NOT PROGRESSED SINCE THE CONSULTANT STUDY.

WE CONTINUE TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE AVAILABILITY OF WORKERS AND ACCORDING TO THE BUSINESS OWNERS I KNOW IT'S ONLY WORSENED OVER THE LAST THREE TO FOUR YEARS EVEN IN SPITE OF INCREASED WAGES. AND CERTAINLY IF WE'RE NOT AT THE TIPPING POINT RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THE TIPPING ZONE WHERE IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT TO DISRUPT THIS TREND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN EYE PROBLEM WITH OUR ECONOMY THAT WILL NOT BE OVERRIDDEN.

>> I CAME HERE TODAY TO ADVOCATE FOR COUNCIL COMMITMENT TO A SIGNIFICANT PROOF OF CONCEPT PROJECT. WE DON'T KNOW IF THIS SOLUTION THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED IS REALLY GOING TO ANSWER ALL THE QUESTION BUT IT CERTAINLY WILL GIVE US THE DATA THAT WILL ALLOW US TO MOVE FORWARD AND GIVE US SOME DIRECTION FOR HOW TO DO THAT.

YOU ALL HAVE A FIDUCIARY AND AN ETHICAL RESPONSE ABILITY TO BETTER THE COMMUNITY.

>> THAT'S WHAT YOU SIGNED UP FOR WHEN YOU RAN FOR OFFICE AND THAT'S WHAT WE ELECTED YOU TO DO. AND PLEASE NOTE THAT IF WE WERE TO BUILD TWO THOUSAND UNITS YOUR AUTHORIZED DENSITY THAT WOULD ONLY TAKE 15 PERCENT OF THE TOWN LAND AND LESS IF WE PARTNER WITH PEOPLE WHO OWN LAND TO WANTED IN THIS PROGRAM .

SO THERE IS NO REAL THREAT TO OUR GREEN SPACE AND THOSE PUBLIC SPACES THAT WE ALL COME TO HAVE COME TO TO DESIRE. SO I CHALLENGE YOU TO MOVE QUICKLY ON THIS.

DRINKS ARE ON ME. IF WE'RE OUT OF 2023 GROUNDBREAKING AND I WANT TO THANK MR. ORLANDO AND YOUR MEMBERS OF COUNCIL WHO HAVE THE COURAGE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THIS DECISION TO MOVE TODAY. SO THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. THANK YOU, MARK.

MAKE SURE THE DRINKS ARE ON ME PART OF THIS. >> I SAW FOUR PEOPLE WRITE THAT DOWN THE MORNING. MY JOHN CAMPBELL I'M A SEVENTH GENERATION NATIVE AND I AM PART THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALSO. I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH MR. BROWN HERE THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS AND LOOK AT PRIVATELY OWNED LAND. I MEAN THAT IS SOMETHING IS DISAPPEARING FAST. WE COULD DEFINITELY HELP THE PROBLEM OUT BY LOOKING AT PROBABLY OWN PROPERTY AND ASSISTING THOSE PEOPLE WITH A GRANT THAT WILL HELP PAY FOR WATER, SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE FEES THAT KNOWS THAT ALSO HELPED THEM BRING IN SECOND INCOME TO HELP THEM PAY FOR THEIR TAXES WITH THAT MONEY. AND PARTLY YOU DID EXCELLENT JOB TODAY TOO. SIR, YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU.

YES, SIR. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS SARA, ONE OF THE GREAT SINGER. ALSO I HAVE A COUPLE OF RESTAURANTS NOW.

AND I WANT TO SAY TODAY'S OUTCOME WASN'T I EXPECTED. I'M ENCOURAGED.

>> IT'S BOLD AND BRAVE. AND FINALLY A REAL STEP ADDRESSING AN ISSUE THAT'S BEEN IN FRONT OF EVERYONE BUT IT'S BEEN IGNORED BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF THE COMPLICATIONS THAT MR. MANNIX BROUGHT EVERYONE HAS TO REALIZE ON THIS ISLAND ITS IMPACT WILL NOT FROM OUR WORK STAFFS, NOT FROM YOUR QUALITY OF LIFE, NOT FROM YOUR EDUCATION, FROM YOUR FIRST RESPONDERS. RECENTLY I WAS IN THE HOSPITAL ON HILTON HEAD.

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>> I SAID SURE. WHY? WELL, THEY HAVE STAFF.

THEY HAVE A BED. IT'S GREAT. I WENT TO COAST, I GOT MY CARE, CAME HOME. THEN I GOT A FORTY SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLAR AMBULANCE BILL.

THAT'S NOT COVERED BY INSURANCE BECAUSE THE HOSPITAL HERE WHERE I CHOOSE TO HAVE MY FAMILY NO BUSINESSES ABOUT HIRING 70 EMPLOYEES BECAUSE I COULDN'T BE SEEN.

SO TIME I ASKED. WHEN PEOPLE ASK YOU WHY THIS HAS TO HAPPEN, IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE STORY. A COUPLE OF THINGS ARE ALSO BROUGHT WAS BROUGHT UP THE INITIAL CONSULTANTS REPORT THAT WE NEED TO THAT TWO THOUSAND BEDROOMS TWO THOUSAND UNITS.

>> I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHAT THAT NUMBER IS NOW. >> IT'S NOWHERE NEAR TWO THOUSAND. MY ESTIMATION IS PROBABLY 4000 AT THIS POINT.

THE ECONOMY HAS INCREASED. I THINK MARKETS ON A SLIDE IT 39 PERCENT VALUE INCREASE IN PROPERTY. WELL IF YOU BOUGHT A UNIT IN 1970 FOR ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IT IS NOW WORTH SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND. I'M NOT RENTING IT ANYMORE.

I'M SELLING IT. SO THERE'S NO WAY AT TWO THOUSAND NUMBERS EVEN CLOSE.

THE DENSITY PROJECT HAS NOT WORKED. THE DENSITY PROJECT WON'T WORK.

10 PERCENT INCREASE DENSITY WOULD TAKE 17000 ACRES OF DENSITY ON THIS ISLAND TO GET TO THAT NUMBER. TWO THOUSAND. SO I'M ENCOURAGED BY J.

I THINK A PROJECT IS BOLD STEP. I DON'T THINK IT'S BIG ENOUGH. I DON'T THINK IT'S CLOSE TO BIG ENOUGH BUT IT'S A BOLD STEP GOING. QUESTION IS WHAT CRITERIA YOU PUT ON THERE TO ASSURE THAT THE 80 PERCENT OF THE MINE FIFTY THOUSAND OUR EMPLOYEE IS MET AT TWELVE POINT FIFTY DOLLARS MONTH WE'RE COUNTY CHANNEL RADIO

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