[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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I PLAYED THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FORWARDS, JUST FANS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
WE HAVE AN ATTENDANCE ONLINE TODAY.
WE HAVE COUNCILMAN LAWSON, COUNCILMAN DAWSON, COUNCILMAN CUNNINGHAM, AND COUNCILMAN.
I SAW, I SAW COUNCILMAN CLELAND, BUT I DON'T SEE HIM.
AND THEN IN PERSON, WE HAVE COUNSELING LLEWELLYN CHAIRMAN PASS A MINUTE.
MY SOUTH COUNCILMAN SOMERVILLE, COUNCILMAN RODMAN AND COUNCILMAN GLOVER.
UH, FIRST THING IS THE PUBLIC NOTIFICATION.
THIS MEETING WAS PUBLISHED, POSTED, AND DISTRIBUTED AND COMPLIANCE WITH THE SOUTH CAROLINA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT.
[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
HAVE A NEED FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE TWO AMENDMENTS TO THE AGENDA ONE MR. GREENWAY WILL SPEAK TO.AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS MOVING ONE ITEM UP.
WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE STOUT THAT YOU ALL CONSIDER DEFERRING ACTION ON ITEM NUMBER 11, WHICH IS THE AMENDMENT TO THE NAVEL AND BLUFF PLAYING IN DEVELOPMENT MASTER PLAN.
THERE ARE SOME OUTSTANDING ITEMS ON THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS WITH THE DEVELOPER.
I HAD A MEETING SCHEDULED WITH HIM A FEW WEEKS AGO.
THEY COUNSELED THAT MEANING, AND THAT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO MEET UNTIL IN THE MORNING, BUT IT RELATES TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THE PERCENTAGES I CHANGES TO THE MASTER PLAN, THINGS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE AT THE STAFF NEED TO RESOLVE WITH THEM BEFORE YOU ALL TAKE ANY ACTION ON THIS ITEM.
SO WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU AMEND THE AGENDA ACCORDINGLY IF NECESSARY.
NOW I HAVE A MOTION TO REMOVE ITEM NUMBER 11.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE POSTPONED ANY RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 11 UNTIL THE NEXT NATURAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE MEETING FURTHER.
I WOULD ASK THAT ITEM NUMBER 15 ON THE AGENDA.
BE MOVED UP TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN AND DULY MOVE EVERYBODY DOWN ONE AFTER THAT.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. GREENWAY, UM, ON TRAFFIC IMPACT.
UM, SO WHEN YOU DELIBERATE AND YOU COME BACK, I JUST WANT TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE IN THE IMPACT ON TRAFFIC.
WE'LL HAVE THAT PREPARED FOR YOU WHEN WE DO OUR PRESENTATION NEXT MONTH, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UM, WITHOUT OBJECTION.
SO WE, WE ARE MOVING NUMBER 15 UP TO NUMBER SEVEN.
I'LL NOTE ALSO, MR. MCKELLEN IS HERE.
BUT BEFORE THAT LET'S APPROVE THE MINUTES.
DO WE HAVE ANY THE AGENDA AS AMENDED AND I WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO VOTE ON THE AGENDA AS AMENDED.
I HAVE A SECOND TO VOTE ON THEM.
UM, AGENDA AS AMENDED MADE THE SECOND, ANY MORE DISCUSSION, DO WE NEED TO TAKE A ROLL CALL WITHOUT OBJECTION? OKAY.
THE AGENDA IS AMENDED AS STATED.
[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - JANUARY 3, 2022]
THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM JANUARY 3RD.I EVERYONE'S HAD TIME TO REVIEW THEM.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM JANUARY 3RD? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION IN THE SECOND, SECOND BY COUNCIL IN SOMMERVILLE, ANY DISCUSSION OR AMENDMENTS HEARING NONE WITHOUT OBJECTION.
THE MINUTES FROM JANUARY 3RD OR ARE APPROVED AT THIS TIME, WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR CITIZENS' COMMENTS.
I HAVE LISTED FOR PEOPLE STARTING IN ORDER.
I'D JUST LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE WE HAVE A THREE MINUTE LIMIT AND, UM, PLEASE, UM, WHEN YOU SPEAK, SPEAK WITH, UH, DISCRETION AND WITHOUT INSULTS AND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT TREATING EACH OTHER, LIKE WE'D LIKE TO BE TREATED.
[6. CITIZEN COMMENTS - (ANYONE who wishes to speak during the Citizen Comment portion of the meeting will limit their comments to no longer than three (3) minutes ( a total of 15 minutes ) and will address Council in a respectful manner appropriate to the decorum of the meeting, refraining from the use of profane, abusive, or obscene language)]
THE AGENDA IS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT IS MAYOR MURRAY, STEVEN MURRAY FROM THE CITY OF BUFORD.I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON, I GUESS IT'S AGENDA ITEM SEVEN.
NOW THE LADY'S ISLAND PLANNING.
UH, YOU MIGHT APPRECIATE THAT.
I ACTUALLY WROTE MY COMMENTS DOWN INSTEAD OF THE RAMBLING STREAM OF CONSCIOUS SYSTEM.
I NORMALLY BRING TO YOU A THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE COMMENT ON THE SUPPORT ISSUE TOGETHER BEAVER COUNTY AND THE CITY OF BUFORD HAD
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BEEN WORKING TOGETHER TO BEST MANAGE THE FUTURE OF LADY'S ISLAND.AND WE SHOULD ALL BE PROUD OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED.
THE 2017 STANTEC TRANSPORTATION STUDY EXAMINED HOW WE MOVE PEOPLE THROUGH OUR EXISTING ROAD NETWORK AND MADE RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW WE CAN MAKE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS TO THIS CRITICAL CORRIDOR.
THIS STUDY LED TO THE CAPITOL SALES TAX PASSAGE BY VOTERS IN 2018 TO INVEST $30 MILLION.
AND I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE TO COUNTY STAFF FOR WORKING WITH STAKEHOLDERS TO TAKE THE STANTEC RECOMMENDATIONS AND MAKE SURE IMPROVEMENTS ARE APPROPRIATE AND STRIKE A BALANCE BETWEEN MOVING CARS AND A FUTURE LADY'S ISLAND THAT ISN'T SOLELY ASPHALT AND CONCRETE.
THE BAD NEWS IS THAT THE NEW ESTIMATES HAVE US $40 MILLION SHORT OF THE FUNDING NEEDED TO COMPLETE THE VOTER APPROVED PROJECTS.
BUT I KNOW WE WILL WORKING TOGETHER, FIND NECESSARY FUNDING TO COMPLETE THESE PROJECTS AND DO TIME IN 2018, THE COUNTY TOWN OF PORT ROYAL CITY OF BUFORD WITH A BROAD COALITION OF STAKEHOLDERS CRAFTED AND PRESENTED THE LADIES ON A PLAN.
THIS PLAN SOUGHT TO UNDERSTAND AT THE MACRO LEVEL, THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT POSITION OF THE ISLAND, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PRESSURES, CAPTURE RESIDENT VISION FOR THE FUTURE, AND TO SUGGEST PRAGMATIC STRATEGIES THAT WE COULD USE TO HELP US ACHIEVE THIS VISION.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT BOTH BUFORD COUNTY COUNCIL AND YOU'VE HEARD CITY COUNCIL APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY THE LADY'S ISLAND PLAN IN 2018, FORMALLY SUPPORTING THE STRATEGIES CONTAINED WITHIN AND PROVIDING THE POLITICAL ENDORSEMENT FOR OUR RESPECTIVE INSTITUTIONS TO GET TO WORK ON IMPLEMENTATION.
AND WHILE MAYBE NOT AS FAST AS SOME WOULD LIKE, OR AS SMOOTHLY AS OTHERS WOULD PREFER, WE SHOULD ALL ALSO BE PROUD OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED TODAY.
WE HAVE $30 MILLION IN THE BANK, A SOLID TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR THE MAIN ARTERIES CHANGES THE SEWER DENSITY ORDINANCE, A MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL FILL ORDINANCE, SEVERAL DENSITY REDUCTIONS THROUGH RURAL AND CRITICAL LANDS ACQUISITIONS, AND MAYBE THE MOST EXCITING OF ALL A DEDICATED RIGHT TURN LANE BY THE WALGREENS THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A JOKE, BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE.
WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WORK TO DO.
IF WE ARE SINCERE ABOUT ACHIEVING THE COMMON GOALS CLEARLY PRESENTED IN THE LADY'S ISLAND PLAN.
A QUICK REMINDER OF THE POSITION WE FIND OURSELVES IN CAN BE FOUND ON PAGE FOUR OF THE PLAN, QUOTE, THE AMOUNT OF GROWTH THAT COULD HAPPEN UNDER CURRENT POLICIES AND REGULATIONS WOULD LIKELY EXCEED THE CAPACITY OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND NATURAL SYSTEMS ON THE ISLAND WITH THE CURRENT POPULATION OF APPROXIMATELY 15,000 POTENTIALLY GROWING TO 18 TO 22,000 BY 2035, NEW MEASURES ARE NEEDED TO MANAGE GROWTH.
ADDITIONALLY, THE STUDY FOUND THAT WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 6,000 RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS ON THE ISLAND TODAY, BUT HAS THE POTENTIAL THROUGH EXISTING ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS TO ADD ANOTHER 8,795 RESIDENTIAL UNITS THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ACROSS LADY'S ISLAND.
AND BY RIGHT MORE THAN DOUBLE IN THE COMING DECADES.
NOW REMEMBER THAT EVERYONE WHO LIVES NOT JUST ON LADY'S ISLAND, BUT ON ST.
HELENA HARBOR, FRIPP, COOSAW DISTANT AND THE REST OF THE SEA ISLANDS MUST COME THROUGH LADIES.
I WENT ACROSS ONE OF TWO BRIDGES TO GET TO THE MAINLAND TWO BRIDGES THAT ALREADY SEE TREMENDOUS PRESSURES.
DURING PEAK RUSH HOURS, THERE ARE NO EASY OR CHEAP ANSWERS TO HOW WE MANAGE GROWTH TO ENSURE LADY'S ISLAND REMAINS A PLEASANT PLACE TO LIVE THAT ISN'T CRIPPLED WITH TRAFFIC GRIDLOCK IN THE COMING YEARS.
THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT WE'VE DONE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WORK TO UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES.
WE HAVE A MULTI JURISDICTIONAL POLICY REVIEW COMMITTEE IN NERVIK IN PLACE, AND A PLAN WE'VE COME TO UNDERSTAND THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT MUST BE ADDRESSED HOLISTICALLY ACROSS THE REGION WHILE ROADS AND BRIDGES ARE CERTAINLY A CRITICAL PART OF HOW OUR COMMUNITIES FUNCTION.
THEY ARE ONLY A PART OF A WELL-FUNCTIONING COMMUNITY ZONING DESIGN STANDARDS, DEVELOPMENT POLICY, PUBLIC GREEN SPACE, MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION, CONNECTIVITY, RURAL VERSUS URBAN TRANSECTS ARE ALSO CRITICAL PARTS OF THIS CONVERSATION, WHICH BRINGS US TO WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY.
I COMMAND COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR GREENWAY AND PLANNING DIRECTOR MERCHANT'S COMMITMENT TO PUBLIC INVESTMENT TO BEGIN AT LADY'S ISLAND TO BEGIN OF LADIES ISLAND VILLAGE CENTER, MASTER PLAN, SAY THAT THREE TIMES FAST.
HIS REQUEST TODAY IS FORMERLY SUPPORTED BY THE LIAISON PLAN, THE BEAVER COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE DRAFT CITY OF BUFORD COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
EACH OF THESE DOCUMENTS IN SOME FORM OR OTHER CALL FOR THE CREATION OF A LADY'S HIGHLAND VILLAGE CENTER PLANT, AND SPECIFICALLY THE LADY'S ISLAND PLAN STATES THAT QUOTE, THERE IS CONSENSUS THAT THE FUTURE VILLAGE SHOULD BE HIGH QUALITY WITH A UNIQUE SENSE OF PLACE, BUT THERE WAS NO SIMPLE DEFINITION OF WHAT THAT MEANS.
THERE IS NO ONE SIZE FITS ALL SOLUTION.
IT SHOULD BE EITHER FULLY URBAN NORTH SUBURBAN.
IT SHOULD BE A HYBRID MIX OF BOTH.
IT SHOULD BE A SERIES OF MIXED USE CLUSTERS THAT FIT WITHIN THEIR LOCATIONS IN THE CORRIDOR.
I THINK MOST OF US WOULD AGREE THAT THE CURRENT ZONING AND DESIGN STANDARDS FALL SHORT OF THIS VISION AND EXAMPLE THE PROPOSED SITE OF A NATIONAL CUT CHAIN COFFEE STORE WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH IN THE MIDDLE OF THE VILLAGE HAS RECENTLY MADE THREE COUNTIES EBAA APPEARANCES IN THIS MONTH WILL BE HEARD A FOURTH TIME TO THEIR CREDIT COUNTY STAFF HAS SPENT AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF TIME WORKING
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WITH THE APPLICANT ON THIS SINGLE PROJECT TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE IT WORK.I THINK MOST OF US AGREE A HIGH INTENSITY DRIVE-THROUGH IN THE MIDDLE OF THE VILLAGE IS PROBABLY INAPPROPRIATE, BUT OUR CURRENT ZONING AND DESIGN STANDARDS ARE CLOSE TO ALLOWING ONE.
ADDITIONALLY, JUST DOWN THE CORRIDOR ON THE SITE OF ONE OF MY FAVORITE WATERING HOLES, THE FILLING STATION, THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED CITY T FIVE UC, WHICH WOULD ALLOW UP TO FIVE STORIES OF COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND I THINK MOST OF US WOULD AGREE THAT THIS IS TOO INTENSIVE DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
SO WHILE I'M APPRECIATIVE AND SUPPORTIVE OF COUNTY STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR A DESIGN DRAWING AND STANDARDS PLANNING, CHARRETTE, I DON'T BELIEVE IT GOES FAR ENOUGH.
I'D LIKE TO QUICKLY TAKE YOU BACK TO 2005 WHEN THE COUNTY AND THE CITY USING IMPACT FEES HIRED OVER COLE AND ASSOCIATES TO COMPLETE THE BOUNDARY STREET REDEVELOPMENT PLAN BOUNDARY STREET IS THE ENTRANCE TO THE CITY.
AND AS A TYPICAL COMMERCIAL STRIP CORRIDOR, IT DOES NOT ENHANCE BUFORD'S OVERALL CHARACTER AND CHARM, BUT RATHER SERVES AS A POOR GATEWAY TO OUR HISTORIC CITY.
WORKING TOGETHER, WE CREATED A ROBUST AND HOLISTIC PLAN FOR THIS CORRIDOR THAT HAS INCREASED SAFETY EFFICIENCY AND IS ENCOURAGING A BUILT ENVIRONMENT THAT IS REFLECTIVE OF OUR COMMUNITY'S VISION FOR THE FUTURE.
THIS PLAN TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC AND MADE VERY SPECIFIC POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ZONING DESIGN STANDARDS, NEW PUBLIC ROADWAYS, PEDESTRIAN, AND BIKE ACCESS AND DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S MA'AM BRICK AND HARDIEPLANK CLAD LOTS OF GLASS AND SET NEAR THE INTERSECTION WITH SIDEWALK ACCESS.
THIS IS A DIRECT RESULT OF OUR DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE YEAR FOLLOWING COMPLETION OF THE ROADWAY PROJECT ACCIDENTS ALONG THE CORRIDOR ARE DOWN 22%.
IT WILL TAKE DECADES TO FULLY REALIZE THE VISION, BUT BOUNDARY STREET WILL EVENTUALLY HAVE A TREE CANOPY LINED WITH MIXED USE HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT THAT IS NOT ONLY AESTHETICALLY PLEASING.
IT WILL ALSO HELP US RELIEVE AUTOMOBILE PRESSURES ON OUR ROADWAYS, PROVIDE TAX BASED SUSTAINABILITY AND A HOST OF OTHER POSITIVE BENEFITS.
AS WE ALL WORK TO CAPTURE THE GROWTH THAT IS COMING IN THE MOST RESPONSIBLE WAY.
I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU AUTHORIZE COUNTY STAFF TO RELEASE THE LADIES ON A PLAN IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEES REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL THAT WAS SUBMITTED OVER A YEAR AGO.
THIS RFP MIRRORS, THE BOUNDARY STREET PLANS, SCOPE OF WORK.
AND I BELIEVE MORE APPROPRIATELY CAPTURES THE DIRECTIVE OF THE LADY'S ISLAND PLAN.
THE CITY IS A WILLING PARTNER THAT ALREADY HAS SOME FUNDS BUDGETED AND LOOKS FORWARD TO OUR CONTINUED WORK TOGETHER.
AND I HOPE COUNTY COUNCIL WILL SUPPORT THE REQUEST THAT IS BEING MADE BY THE CITY, THE SEA ISLAND CORRIDOR COALITION, LADIES ISLAND, IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE, NORTHERN REGIONAL PLAN IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE AND THE COASTAL CONSERVATION LEAGUE.
WE HAVE THE RESOURCES, WE HAVE THE LEADERSHIP AND THE VISION TO BRING FORTH A PLAN THAT WILL HELP THE ISLAND MOVE MORE EFFICIENTLY, PRODUCTIVELY, AND CREATE A BUILT ENVIRONMENT THAT WE CAN ALL BE PROUD OF.
LET'S NOT STOP SHORT AT THIS CRITICAL MOMENT IN THE SEA ISLANDS FUTURE.
WE HAVE, UH, MR. CHUCK NEWTON PUBLIC COMMENT ON A FLIGHT TO REMIND YOU AGAIN OF THE THREE MINUTES HE NEEDS TO GIVE THAT TO, THAT BECOMES AN OFFICIAL PART.
OUR CHAIRMAN SUGGESTED IF YOU COULD GIVE THAT TO, UM, WHAT YOU JUST SAID, MAYOR MURRAY TO, TO SARAH, SO THAT IT BECOMES AN OFFICIAL PART OF THE MINUTES OF THIS MEETING.
I HOPE YOU WON'T JUDGE MY GRAMMAR PUNCTUATION.
IT WOULD BECOME MORE THAN MINUTES ANYWAY, BUT THIS WAY WE'LL HAVE IT IN WRITING.
I'M CHAIRMAN OF THE CLM QUARTER COALITION.
UM, I CORRESPONDED WITH, UM, MEMBERS OF THE, UM, UH, COMMITTEE OVER THE WEEKEND.
UM, I WANTED TO REITERATE, REITERATE THE IMPORTANCE OF DOING SOMETHING.
UH, THIS PROSPECT STARTED FIVE YEARS AGO WHEN 500 PEOPLE SHOWED UP AT LADY'S ISLAND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND SET FORTH A BUNCH OF THINGS IN MOTION TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER AND THE AMBIENCE AND THE COMMUNITY SENSE OF COMMUNITY ON LADY'S ISLAND.
SINCE THAT TIME WE SPENT 18 MONTHS WITH THE HELP OF A CONSULTANT DEVELOPING THE LADY LADIES ISLAND PLAN, WHICH WAS UNANIMOUSLY ADOPTED BY THE COUNTY COUNCIL UNANIMOUSLY ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
UM, SINCE THEN, UM, WE'VE THROWN NICKELS AND DIMES AT THE PROJECT.
VIRTUALLY NOTHING HAS HAPPENED.
I DON'T MEAN TO SAY NOTHING BECAUSE I THINK THE PHIL ORDINANCE AND SOME OF THE, UM, ATTENDANT, UH, PROJECTS, UH, WERE IMPORTANT.
BUT IN TERMS OF DOING THE ESSENTIAL THINGS NECESSARY TO PROTECT AND PRESERVE LADY'S ISLAND, NOT MUCH HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED.
NOW, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR HAS PROPOSED, UH, THIS AFTERNOON, UH, TO SET A $25,000 BUDGET TO, UM, FUND A CHARRETTE.
UM, I'M NOT SURE I CHARRETTE IS GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM NECESSARILY.
UM, MAYOR MURRAY JUST RECOMMENDED THE RELEASE
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OF THE RFP TO GET A BETTER IDEA OF A BROADER EFFORT FROM QUALIFIED, UM, CONSULTANTS.UH, I THINK THE TRUTH LIES SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN.
UM, I WOULD, UM, CERTAINLY HOPE THAT, UH, WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD ON THIS EXPEDITIOUSLY, UH, BUT I WOULD REMOVE THE NOT TO EXCEED AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S RECOMMENDATION TO GIVE US SOME FLEXIBILITY.
WE CAN GET STARTED WITH $25,000 AND DO SOME OF THE ESSENTIAL WORK ON A ZONING OVERLAY, FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH WOULD SOLVE 70% OF THE PROBLEM IF IT NEEDS TO BE EXPANDED AND EXTENDED, UM, WE CAN COME BACK TO COUNCIL OR OTHERS FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING, BUT THE IMPORTANT THING IS TO STOP STIRRING THE POT AND JUST GET SOMETHING GOING HERE.
WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION AND MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN.
OUR NEXT PERSON ON THE LIST IS MR. MICHAEL TOMMY.
UH, MIKE, TELL ME, UH, I WON'T TRY AND REPEAT EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID ALREADY.
UH, WHAT I'D RATHER FOCUS ON IS WHAT THE CURRENT ACTIVITIES ARE AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.
UH, WE STARTED OUT FOUR YEARS AGO AND TRIED TO COME UP WITH AN RFP, WHICH WE DID, UH, THE RFP WAS NOT FUNDED.
UM, AND THEN WE GOT INTO THE COVID ISSUE.
UH, WE STOOD UP ANOTHER TASK FORCE UNDER NEUROPATHIC AND THAT TASK FORCE SPECIFICALLY WAS TRYING TO NOT DEVELOP AN RFP, BUT INSTEAD PUT PLANNING FORWARD IN TRYING TO DEVELOP SOME PLANNING TOWARDS LADIES ISLAND VILLAGE CENTER THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO THEN TURN OVER TO A CONSULTANT AND GIVE THEM SOME BASIC FRAMEWORK FOR THEM TO DO THEIR JOB.
HOPEFULLY REDUCING THE, UH, UH, THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND ENERGY THEY WOULD HAVE TO SPEND THE, UH, THAT TASK FORCE WAS MADE UP OF, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, COUNTY, COUNCIL, COMMISSIONERS, UH, CITY COUNTY, AND TOWN PLANNING, UH, COMMISSION, UH, PEOPLE, SEA ISLAND, COALITION, COASTAL CONSERVATION LEAGUE, CITIZENS AND COUNTY CONSULTANTS.
WE DID COORDINATE WITH ENGINEERING, UH, BASED ON THE PENNY SALES TAX THROUGHOUT THE, UH, THE TIME THAT WE SPENT DOING THIS.
WE MET EVERY TWO WEEKS DURING COVID BECAUSE IT WAS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD.
WE SPENT HUNDREDS OF HOURS IN THAT PROCESS.
UH, AND THEN WE DEVELOPED A PRESENTATION THAT PRESENTATION WE HAVE TAKEN TO MOST OF THE MAJOR PROPERTY OWNERS ALONG THE CORRIDOR, 21 WHO HAVE, UH, GIVEN US A THUMBS UP AND SAID, YES, WE WANT TO SEE THIS PROCEED, UH, IN THE DIRECTION THAT, UH, THE PLANNING THAT WE HAVE PUT ON THE TABLE IS GOING, I HAVE COPIES OF THAT PLANNING PROCESS, UH, THE PEOPLE THAT WE'VE MET WITH AND WHAT WE'VE DONE, UH, THAT WILL BE GIVEN TO YOU.
UH, IT'S ALREADY BEEN GIVEN TO ALL OF THE NERVIK, UH, PEOPLE I CHAIR ARABIC ALSO.
UM, AND I WANT TO ALSO STATE THAT I HAVE IN NO WAY, TRIED TO GO AROUND COUNTY ADMINISTRATION TO TRY AND DO ANYTHING WITH THIS.
I WILL ALWAYS FOLLOW THOSE PROCEDURES.
I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR OVER 40 YEARS.
UM, BUT I WOULD, UH, RECOMMEND GOING TO THE, THE FULL, UH, UH, CONSULTANT RFP, WHICH I HELPED WRITE.
I ALSO, UH, AFTER MEETINGS WITH, UH, WITH THE COUNTY DEVELOPED A FOR SHORTENED, UH, RFP DOING THE CHARETTE PROCESS, UH, WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AT LEAST THAT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US MOVE FORWARD WITH THE WHOLE THING.
UM, JESSE WHITE, ON BEHALF OF THE COASTAL CONSERVATION LEAGUE, I ACTUALLY HAVE COMMENTS ON THREE DIFFERENT ITEMS ON YOUR AGENDA.
SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO, UM, MEET THAT THREE MINUTE DEADLINE.
UM, THE FIRST IS ITEM, UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH IS THE, UM, REZONING ZONINGS THAT THE ROLE AND CRITICAL LANDS PROPERTIES TO T1 NATURAL PRESERVE.
I JUST WANT TO EXPRESS OUR FULL SUPPORT FOR THAT.
IT WAS 12, I GUESS NOW IT'S 13 100 ROSTRUM DRIVE REZONING.
UM, WE SUPPORT PLANNING STAFF AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL THAT REZONING AS LAID OUT IN THE STAFF REPORT.
IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND IT'S ALSO IN DIRECT
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CONFLICT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THEN 10 OF THE T2 RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH EXPRESS IS EXPRESSLY INTENDED FOR EXISTING CLUSTERED COMMUNITIES AND RURAL AREAS AND NOT TO PROMOTE TRACK DEVELOPMENT, OR REZONINGS MOREOVER WE BELIEVE IF THIS INDIVIDUAL PARCEL IS, IS REZONED, IT WOULD OPEN THE DOOR TO ANY OF THE OTHER TEACHERS WHO ARE PROPERTIES IN THE COUNTY, UM, TO BE REZONED AND TAKEN TOGETHER THAT WOULD ERODE AND FURTHER STRAIN THE RURAL CHARACTER OF THOSE AREAS AND DO SPRAWL AND THREATEN CRITICAL NATURAL RESOURCES.UM, THE LAST COMMENT OR LAST AGENDA ITEM WE WERE, UM, PREPARED TO COMMENT ON IS ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, UM, AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED HERE TODAY, THE CONSERVATION LEAGUE HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN GROWTH MANAGEMENT ON LADY'S ISLAND FOR OVER FIVE YEARS.
IN 2017, WE CO-HOSTED DESIGNING LADY'S ISLAND WITH THE SEALANT CORRIDOR COALITION OVER 300 PEOPLE ATTENDED AND LIVE AND WORK ON LADY'S ISLAND.
EVEN FIVE YEARS AGO THAT THE PRESSURE ON LADY'S ISLAND WAS BUILDING THE COUNTY AND CITY HAVE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS SINCE 2017.
AND WE APPRECIATE THE INVESTMENT IN THE LADY'S ISLAND PLAN.
$80,000 IS A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT AND WE'VE MADE GOOD PROGRESS TOWARD IMPLEMENTING SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THAT PLAN, PASSING RESTRICTIONS ON THE USE OF PHIL AND SETTING LIMITATIONS ON WHEN AND WHERE SEPTIC CAN BE USED ARE IMPORTANT CHANGES THAT WERE BOTH RECOMMENDED IN THE LADY'S ISLAND PLAN.
BUT AS THE STEERING COMMITTEE AND THE VILLAGE CENTER TASK FORCES HAVE CONTINUED TO WRESTLE WITH PRESSING LAND USE ISSUES ON THE ISLAND, WE'VE COME TO THE REALIZATION THAT WE'RE LACKING BOTH THE NECESSARY KNOWLEDGE AND THE BANDWIDTH TO CRAFT A FULL FLEDGED MASTER MASTER PLAN FOR THE ISLAND REZONING, A ROBUST PLAN IS NECESSARY AND WE'VE THE STEERING COMMITTEE HAS CRAFTED A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS.
UM, WE SUBMITTED A COPY OF THAT WITH OUR COMMENTS OVER THE WEEKEND AND HOPE YOU'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT, BUT, UM, IN GENERAL, WE'RE, WE'RE APPRECIATIVE OF STAFF AND THE ADMINISTRATION'S WILLINGNESS TO SPEND AN ADDITIONAL $25,000 ON PLANNING FOR LADING VIOLENT, BUT ARE AFRAID THAT THAT AMOUNT WILL DO LITTLE MORE THAN WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
AND WE RECOMMEND THAT THE TASK FORCE BE ALLOWED REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL, MAKE ANY NECESSARY CHANGES AND RELEASE THE DOCUMENT TO GET BIDS.
PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE ON LADY'S ISLAND.
THEY WANT TO WORK ON LADY'S ISLAND.
UM, BUSINESSES WANT TO BUILD ON LADY'S ISLAND AND WE'RE SEEING CONTROVERSIAL PROJECTS POP UP, UM, THAT ARE ONE THAT'S CURRENTLY BEFORE THE COUNTY ZONING BOARD A MASTER PLAN CAN HELP US BE PREPARED AND IS URGENTLY NEEDED.
I THINK THAT'S A RECORD THREE, THREE DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT I'VE SEEN SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL.
YOU'D BE COMMENDED FOR GETTING ALL THAT SAID, OKAY.
OUR NEW NUMBER SEVEN IS A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY.
OH, LET ME, ARE THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT CHANGED HER MIND ABOUT PUBLIC COMMENTS AND WANTS TO MAKE SOME AT THIS TIME? ALL RIGHT.
WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE END, TOO.
IN CASE SOMEONE THINKS OF SOMETHING, ALL RIGHT.
[15. RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO PROVIDE FUNDING NOT TO EXCEED $25,000 FOR A DESIGN PLANNING CHARRETTE TO DEVELOP DESIGN CRITERIA AND DRAWINGS TO ENHANCE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE LADY’S ISLAND PLAN]
THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO PROVIDE FUNDING, NOT TO EXCEED $25,000 FOR DESIGN PLANNING, CHARETTE TO DEVELOP DESIGN CRITERIA AND DRAWINGS TO ENHANCE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE WHITIES ISLAND PLAN.AND MR. GREENWAY IN THIS DIRECT, I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE THIS REAL QUICK, THEN I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO CHUCK BECAUSE OVER THE WEEKEND, I REALIZED THAT I HAVE, UH, GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE I'M SO FRUSTRATED ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE AND THE AMOUNT OF STAFF RESOURCES THAT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM IS TAKEN UP, UH, CONSUMING.
IN MY PARTICULAR CASE, I HAVE HAD OVER ABOUT 10 HOURS WORTH OF MEETINGS ON THIS RFQ REQUEST.
AND, UH, TRYING TO, UH, TELL THE FOLKS HERE THAT I DO NOT SUPPORT THIS REQUEST.
I DO NOT SUPPORT AN ADDITIONAL $200,000 OF COUNTING MONEY GOING TO PLANNING ON LADY'S ISLAND.
WE HAVE A PLAN WE NEED TO IMPLEMENT THAT PLAN.
IN MY PARTICULAR CASE, WE HAVE STAFF, I HAVE ONE OF THE BEST VERTICALS AND DESIGN PROFESSIONALS IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENTS ANYWHERE IN THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA.
AND NOW WE HAVE ONE OF THE BEST HORIZONTAL SITE DESIGNERS THAT WE JUST HIRED FROM DORCHESTER COUNTY.
IN OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT, WE KNOW HOW TO DESIGN AND IMPLEMENT THE LADY'S ISLAND PLAN.
SO HAVING SAID THAT, UM, I'M FRUSTRATED ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
PART OF THAT REALIZATION IS THAT I NEED TO STEP ASIDE AND TURN THIS OVER TO OTHER STAFF MEMBERS, BECAUSE I THINK IF YOU ALL FUND, THIS IS GOING TO BE A WAY TO TAX PAYER MONEY.
IT'S GOING TO BE MORE OF THE SAME THAT WE ALREADY HAVE OVER THERE.
IT'S JUST GOING TO COST YOU A LOT MORE MONEY.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, I WILL SAY
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THAT NONE OF THE FOLKS IN HERE TALKING ABOUT SPENDING THIS MONEY AND RELEASING THIS RFQ ARE BUSINESS OWNERS OR PROPERTY OWNERS ON LADY'S ISLAND.THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT DRIVE THROUGH LADY'S ISLAND OR VISIT LADY'S ISLAND PERIODICALLY THERE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE BUSINESS OWNERS.
THERE ARE NOT ASKING FOR US TO DO THIS.
I'M GONNA LET CHUCK COME UP AND FINISH IT ALL.
AND GOOD AFTERNOON TO EVERYONE.
I THINK IT IS PRETTY SELF-EVIDENT BY THE LEVEL OF PASSION THAT'S AROUNDS LADIES ISLAND.
I'M GETTING SIGNALS THAT WE NEED A MOTION BEFORE WE CAN START THIS DISCUSSION.
SO IF YOU CAN HOLD THAT THOUGHT, I CAN PRESENT THE RESOLUTION AND INFORMATION AROUND THAT, OR I CAN, HOWEVER YOU WANT ME TO DO IT.
WELL, THERE IS A RESOLUTION ON THE AGENDA.
AND THAT'S THE PUBLISHED AGENDA.
THEREFORE, THE MEMBER OF COUNCIL HAS TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, MODIFY WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO.
AS FAR AS THAT PARTICULAR ITEM GOES, THEN WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION.
IF WE NEED TO MODIFY IT AFTER YOUR COMMENTS, WE CAN HAVE SOMEONE MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO SURE.
ALL I'M OFFERING IS STAFF RECOMMENDATION AS IT RELATES TO THE, THE RESOLUTION.
DO I HAVE A MOTION REGARDING THE AGENDA ITEM? YES, SIR.
SO THE LEVEL OF PASSION THAT SURROUNDS LADY'S ISLAND, I, I THINK IT'S JUSTIFIED.
I THINK LADY'S ISLAND IS A CENTRAL FOCAL POINT OF THE DOWNTOWN BUFORD AND SEATTLE AND, UH, ENTRYWAY.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO A LOT OF US ON A PERSONAL LEVEL.
I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN, UH, GREW UP ON LADY'S ISLAND.
AND I REMEMBER VIVIDLY, UH, MY PARENTS HAD AN OFFICE AT THE DOWNTOWN MARINA OR THE, UH, THE LADY'S ISLAND ARENA.
AND I WOULD WALK UP TO CAPTAIN GAUGES AND GET PAID.
AND MOST AFTERNOONS I WOULD FISH WITH CAPTAIN JACK.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU REMEMBER HIM DOWN THERE WITH HIS PIPE.
UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S A PLACE THAT IS OF GREAT IMPORTANCE AND THE DIRECTION AND THE GROWTH THAT'S GOING TO TAKE PLACE THERE.
I THINK THE END GOAL AND THE VISION, WE ALL AGREE ON THE, THE POINT OF CONTENTION IS THE BEST, BEST WAY TO GET THERE.
HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE ACCOMPLISH THOSE GOALS? SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS TALK ABOUT THE VISION VERY QUICKLY, WHAT WE NOW HAVE AND WHAT IS MISSING, WHAT ARE THE MISSING PIECES THAT WE NEED TO GET US FROM WHAT WE HAVE TO ACCOMPLISHING THAT VISION.
SO OUT OF THE LADY'S ISLAND PLAN, THE VISION, THE KEY ELEMENTS OF THE LADY'S ISLAND VILLAGE CENTER VISION INCLUDE A DESIRE FOR A MIXTURE OF COMPATIBLE USES, BUILDING FORMS THAT ADDRESS, BUT DO NOT OVERWHELM THE STREET, PEDESTRIAN ORIENTATION AND WALKABILITY, CONNECTED STREETS AND CIRCULATION IMPROVED AND MANAGE ACCESS AND STREETS THAT ARE DESIGNED FOR MULTIPLE MODES OF TRANSPORTATION, WHERE THEY HUMAN SCALE THAT'S BEEN AROUND FOR 20 YEARS.
THAT VISION HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME.
SO WHAT DO WE HAVE? WHAT PROGRESS HAVE WE MADE? NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE THE VISION AND THAT VISION HAS BEEN, UH, REDEFINED, UH, OVER AND OVER.
AND IT HAS BEEN, UM, REFINED TO THE POINT WHERE NOW WE KNOW WHERE WE WANT LADY'S ISLAND TO GO ORDINANCES, BOTH CITY AND COUNTY.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE THOSE ORDINANCES.
ARE THEY PERFECT? NO, THEY ARE NOT.
UH, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS LADY'S ISLAND PLAN.
THAT'S A 109 PAGE PLAN THAT MORE CLEARLY DEFINES THE PATH FORWARD.
AND IT CONTAINS CLEAR INFORMATION RELATED TO THE LADIES ISLAND VILLAGE VILLAGE CENTER CORRIDOR.
A LOT OF THE INFORMATION WAS ADDRESSED IN THAT PLAN.
WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY AND A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT CREATING THAT PLAN.
THE STANTEC STUDIES IDENTIFIED TRAFFIC ON A, FOR LADIES ISLAND.
ALL OF THESE ARE BUILDING ON TOP OF EACH OTHER TO ACCOMPLISH THAT VISION.
WE HAVE TRAFFIC PROJECT FUNDING FROM THE PENNY SALES TAX AND COUNTY STAFF ARE CURRENTLY DESIGNING ROAD PROJECTS TO ACCOMPLISH THE VISION FOR LADY'S ISLAND.
SO WHAT ARE THE MISSING PIECES? COUNTY STAFF SEES THE MISSING PIECES AS BEING CITY AND COUNTY ORDINANCE MUST BE COORDINATED AND REFINED SO THAT THEY MORE CLOSELY MATCH.
MAYOR MURRAY BROUGHT UP TWO ITEMS THAT NEED
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TO BE ADDRESSED.ONE THE DRIVE-THROUGH SITUATION.
NOW IT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED BY THE IT'S A SPECIAL USE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT DIRECTION THAT'S GOING TO FALL IN, BUT IT'S GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS.
THE, UH, SOME OF THE CITY'S ZONING ALLOWS THINGS THAT WE, AND I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE DON'T FIT IN WHAT THAT VISION IS FOR THE LADY'S ISLAND PLAN.
WE NEED TO REFINE BOTH SIDES OF THOSE ORDINANCES.
WE NEED TO REFINE THOSE ORDINANCE.
AND THEN, UH, AS A TAG ON TO THAT, WE NEED TO IDENTIFY OPPORTUNITIES FOR AN ESTABLISHED INTERCONNECTIVITY BETWEEN BUSINESSES ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
YOU DO THAT THROUGH THE ORDINANCES TO MAKE IT ENFORCEABLE AND TO MAKE THE CORRIDOR USABLE.
SO EVERYBODY'S NOT JUMPING OUT ON THE STREET.
YOU ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC ON HIGHWAY 21.
SO THE TWO, THE TWO POINTS THAT WE'RE GOING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN, DO WE TAKE THEM ON A FULL-BLOWN PARCEL LEVEL STUDY? DO WE NEED TO INCUR THAT EXPENSE TO ACCOMPLISH THESE THINGS? COUNTY STAFF'S CONTENTION IS NO, WE DON'T.
WE HAVE VERY TALENTED FOLKS ON OUR STAFF AND THE RESOLUTION IS BEFORE YOU SPELLS OUT WHY WE WANT TO DO THE SHRIMP, WE WANT TO IDENTIFY WHAT PORTIONS ON EACH SIDE OF THESE COINS.
WE CAN, UH, BRING IN LINE TO ACCOMPLISH THOSE GOALS, BUT WE DON'T NEED TO REINVENT THE WHOLE WHEEL.
WE DON'T NEED TO GO BACK AND SPEND ALL OF THIS MONEY AND CREATING A WHOLE NEW STUDY.
WE ALREADY HAVE THE INFORMATION.
IF WE GET COOPERATION CAN DO THIS.
WE CAN PAY SOMEBODY TO PUT THE DRAWINGS TOGETHER, BUT OUR STAFF HAS THE ABILITY AND CERTAINLY THE WILLINGNESS TO GO IN AND IDENTIFY THOSE DIFFERENCES AND BRING IT ALL IN LINE SO THAT LADY'S ISLAND CAN BE EVERYTHING THAT WE ALL WANT.
AND I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS, MR. ATKINSON.
YOU KNOW, SO EACH ONE OF THESE STEPS, AND THANKS FOR THE QUESTION, EACH ONE OF THE STEPS THAT I'VE OUTLINED HAS BUILT ON ITSELF OVER THE YEARS, THE COMMON GOAL IS THE VISION FOR LADY'S ISLAND.
ALL OF THESE PLANS AND STUDIES THAT WE'VE DONE HAVE ALL BEEN DONE MARCHING IN THAT DIRECTION.
THIS IS ONE OF THE FINAL STEPS, NOT THE FINAL, RIGHT? CAUSE WE WILL HAVE TO CONTINUE TO REFINE THIS.
BUT IF WE, IF WE READ THE POINT OF THE, UM, RESOLUTION, IT'S A MULTI-DAY PLANNING, CHARRETTE TO DEVELOP DESIGN DRAWINGS AND STANDARDS.
THOSE STANDARDS WOULD BE THE REFINEMENT OF BOTH ORDINANCES.
NOW WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE COOPERATION FROM THE CITY.
WE CAN'T, THE STAFF CAN'T CHANGE COUNTY ORDINANCES, THAT'S GUIDING COUNCIL AND STAFF CAN'T CHANGE CITY ORDINANCES.
THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CITY COUNCIL, BUT WE ARE CERTAINLY WILLING TO COLLABORATE WITH THEM, IDENTIFY THOSE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CHANGED AND CREATE THE STANDARD, DRAW THE DRAWINGS, BRING IT BEFORE BOTH COUNCILS AND FIND COMMON GROUND ON IT.
SO IT WOULD BE A, AN ADDITIONAL STEP, MAYBE NOT THE FINAL STEP, BUT IT WOULD CERTAINLY TAKE US VERY CLOSE TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE TO ACCOMPLISH THE GOAL.
I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
ANYONE ELSE ONLINE? HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS UP HERE? YES, SIR.
I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE, UM, STAFF'S OFFER TO SEE THIS PROJECT THROUGH TO COMPLETION.
AND WHILE I, I SINCERELY DO NOT DOUBT YOUR ABILITY TO DO THAT.
YOUR COMPETENCE, I MOVED THE OPINION THAT THE TIME REQUIREMENT, UM, THE PERSONNEL ADJUSTMENTS THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY, THE, THE, THE SHEER MAGNITUDE OF OTHER JOBS THAT WE NEED TO TO DO AT THIS TIME REALLY TAKES IT OUTSIDE OF THOSE THINGS.
I WANT STAFF TO BE FOCUSING ON AND, UM, CERTAINLY SUPERVISION OF THE PROJECT, THE WORK PRODUCT THAT COMES OUT OF ANY OUTSIDE CONTRACTOR.
I THINK THAT, THAT THIS IS SOMETHING I REALLY WANT OUTSIDE HANDS TO BE A PART OF.
AND, UH, WELL, I CERTAINLY APPLAUD YOUR ENTHUSIASM FOR SEEING THIS PROJECT THROUGH
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MADAM CHAIRMAN.I INTEND TO VOTE, UM, IN OPPOSITION TO THE MOTION AND, UM, MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED BY THE NORTHERN REGIONAL PLAN IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE, THE LADY'S ISLAND PLAN COMMITTEE, AND, UM, EACH OF THE CITIZEN GROUPS THAT HAVE COME FORWARD AND THE CITY OF BEEPER.
I DO APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING.
AND I CERTAINLY DON'T DOUBT YOUR ABILITY TO GET IT DONE.
I THINK THAT JUST TO HAVE OTHER THINGS FOR YOU TO DO.
UH, PAUL, YOU WANT TO GO, GO, GO AHEAD.
I'LL FOLLOW YOU BECAUSE YOU MAY SEE WHAT I WANT TO SAY.
WELL, I I'M, I'M KIND OF SAD THAT WE HAVE CONFLICTING OPINIONS ON HOW WE MOVE FORWARD, BECAUSE WE ALL WANT THE SAME THING.
THERE'S NOBODY IN THIS ROOM WHO DOESN'T WANT THE SAME THING.
IT'S A QUESTION OF HOW WE GET THERE AND AT WHAT, WHAT STEPS WE TAKE ALONG THE WAY.
AND I'M NOT, I AM NOT INCLINED TO SIDELINE STAFF FOR AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT AT THIS STAGE OF THE GAME.
AND I'VE LISTENED TO EVERYONE IN HERE PRIVATELY.
AND IN OTHER MEETINGS, THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION MANY, MANY, MANY TIMES.
FIRST OF ALL, THERE HAVE BEEN ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE NOT WELL, THE NORTHERN REGIONAL PLAN, THE LADY'S ISLAND, LADIES OLAND PLAN COMMITTEE HAVE WORKED DILIGENTLY ON THIS.
AND SO THEIR WORK WILL NOT BE FOR NOT, THEIR WORK WILL BE INTEGRATED INTO WHATEVER HAPPENS, WHETHER WE GO TO AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT OR WHETHER WE CONTINUE WITH STAFF.
MY PREFERENCE IS TO GO, IS TO CONTINUE WITH STAFF BECAUSE IT SAYING, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH STAFF ISN'T THAT DOES NOT ADD ANYTHING.
IT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T DO SOMETHING ELSE LATER ON WITH A CONSULTANT OR THAT A CONSULTANT.
IF WE'RE NOT SATISFIED THAT WE HAVE, WE'VE GOTTEN WHERE WE NEED TO GO, BUT I I'VE FELT, UH, FROM THE BEGINNING THAT THAT STAFF NEEDS TO DO WHATEVER THEIR, WHATEVER THEY CAN DO, WHATEVER THEY'RE WILLING TO DO.
I DON'T THINK IT'S, IT'S OUR POSITION TO, TO DECIDE WHAT STAFF HAS TIME TO DO AND WHAT THEY DON'T HAVE TIME TO DO THAT THAT'S FROM THE ADMINISTRATOR AND THE EXECUTIVE TEAM TO DECIDE.
AND I'VE HEARD THE ADMINISTRATIVE AND EXECUTIVE TEAM SAY, WE HAVE THE TIME WE HAVE THE, WE HAVE THE TALENT AND WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.
AND WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO, WHAT THEY PROPOSE TO DO, WHAT THEY COMMITTED TO DO IS EXACTLY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS US TO DO.
SO I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS MOTION, BUT ALL THE MOTION SAYS IS WE'RE GOING TO SPEND NO MORE THAN $25,000 INTERNALLY TO DO THIS, THAT DOESN'T PRECLUDE ANYTHING.
SO AGAIN, I'M SAYING THAT WE DON'T ALL SEE THE SAME PATH FORWARD, UM, BUT KNOW THESE THINGS HAPPEN.
AND, UH, I WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR THIS AND BE PART OF THIS.
AND IF, UH, IF I FEEL AT SOME POINT THAT WE NEED ADDITIONAL, UH, SUPPORT OR CONSULTANTS, I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SUPPORT IT.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE HAVE, WE HAVE A VERY TALENTED STAFF WHO'S SAYING, LET US DO THIS.
AND MY RESPONSE TO THAT IS, YES, PLEASE DO THAT.
AND, UH, BUT I'M NOT DON'T MEAN TO RAIN ON ANYBODY'S PARADE OR, OR SAY ANYBODY IS WRONG BECAUSE LET'S SAY WE ALL WANT THE SAME THING.
HOW DO WE GET THERE? AND I THINK THIS IS THE STEP WE TAKE.
WE'RE NOT THROWING LADIES ALL UNDER THE BUS.
WE'RE NOT ABANDONING THE, ANY OF THE PLANS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE AND HER SITTING THERE WAITING TO BE FULFILLED.
UH, WE'RE JUST SAYING, WE THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT NEXT STEP, AND THIS IS THE STEP WE'RE GOING TO TAKE.
SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO DO.
COUNSELING GO OVER YOUR EUROPE.
UM, SEVERAL, SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
UM, CAN'T REMEMBER HIS NAME RIGHT NOW, UH, WITH CONSERVATION EASEMENT, UM, DANA BEACH BE, UH, UH, ADMONISH US TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WHATEVER WE DO, WE MAKE SURE THAT WE PLAN, UH, FOR TRANSPORTATION, UM, WELL AHEAD OF OUR DEVELOPMENT.
AND I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED ON LADY'S ISLAND, UH, IN THE FUTURE.
BUT I DO KNOW THAT ROADS, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE IS IMPORTANT, UM, SAYING ALL THAT, UM, UH, I'M NOT, I'M NOT TOO SURE WHETHER, UM, UH, IN-HOUSE STAFF OR OUTSIDE CONSULTANT IS THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO GO.
I DO KNOW THAT I'VE SEEN SOME DRAWINGS, RENDITION, ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE, DEALING WITH ROADS AND MOVING
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TRAFFIC, UH, THAT WAS OUTLINED BY CITIZENS GROUPS.I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE STAFF HAS BOUGHT INTO THAT OR NOT.
SO, UM, ON THE MIND, WRITE DOWN THAT, UM, THERE'S A COMMUNITY GROUP THAT SEES THINGS ONE WAY COUNTY GOVERNMENT MAY BE SEEING IT ANOTHER WAY.
I DON'T KNOW THE TRUE FLOOR THINGS.
AND, UH, I WOULD LOVE FOR, UM, TO GET WITH THE NORTHERN REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE, UH, GET WITH THOSE CITIZEN GROUP TO SEE WHETHER THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE SAME AND WHAT IT WILL TAKE.
WHAT I LIKE TO SEE IS THAT THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC IMPROVE TO, UH, TO ACCOMMODATE FUTURE GROWTH 30, 40 YEARS FROM NOW, BECAUSE WHATEVER HAPPENS ON LADY'S ISLAND IMPACTS ST.
HELENA AND THE OUTLYING AREAS.
AND WE GOT TO COME THROUGH THAT AND LISTEN TO OTHER BRIDGE IS GOING TO BE BUILT WITH THAT DOUBT, SERIOUSLY, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO A TUNNEL OR WHATEVER, BUT I NEED TO PROTECT AND DO WHAT I CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC CAN HAPPEN ON SEEING HOW OUR, UH, IN DR.
ART AND FRIPP ISLAND, UM, BECAUSE JUST A MONTH OR SO AGO, UM, WE GOT STOPPED FOR ABOUT FOUR HOURS, TWICE WITHIN TWO WEEKS.
AND SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE, OF TRAFFIC HAPPENS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, FROM WHAT I'M SEEING RIGHT NOW, WHERE THE $25,000 CAN DO IT, I DOUBT.
NO, BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GOT THE TOTAL SCOPE OF WORK TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND WHETHER THAT'S IN-HOUSE STAFF OR CONSULTANTS, WE NEED TO DO IT.
SO WE ONLY HAVE A SHORT TIME BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT IS CONTINUOUSLY HAPPENING ON LADY'S ISLAND.
OUTSMART, WE HIRED THIS MONEY.
SO THIS WOULD MOST CERTAINLY BE A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT BETWEEN THE FOLKS THAT WE HIRED, UH, TO HOLD A CHARRETTE, TO DRAW THE DRAWINGS AND THE STAFF, AND TO CREATE THE STANDARD.
AND IT WOULD MOST CERTAINLY, UH, REQUIRE THE COOPERATION OF THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS INVOLVED.
UH, I HEARD A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS WHEN MAYOR MURRAY CAME UP, HE SAID THEY HAVE SOME FUNDS SET ASIDE, BUT DIDN'T SPECIFY HOW MUCH THE SECOND GENTLEMEN WHO SPOKE SAID THE $25,000 COULD GO A LONG WAY TO SOLVING 70% OF THE PROBLEM.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A CHARRETTE THAT WILL TELL US IF WE NEED TO GO FURTHER IN THIS PROCESS.
SO WOULD SEEM TO ME, THAT'S THE STEP WE SHOULD TAKE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, ALLOW COLLABORATIVELY TO SEE IF WE CAN SOLVE THE PROBLEM IN HOUSE, OR IF WE'VE NOW DEFINED A GREATER SCOPE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO TO MAYOR MARIA AND SAY, YOU HAVE MONEY SET ASIDE.
HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO BE ENOUGH FOR US TO DO THE NEXT PHASE? MY COMMENT.
UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS.
YOUR, YOUR FEW POINTS ARE EXCELLENT.
MR. ATKINSON, ABOUT WHAT THE REAL QUESTION IS.
I MEAN, WE, I WENT TO THOSE MEETINGS AT LIAISON ELEMENTARY WAS OVER 300 PEOPLE THERE.
UM, THIS WAS WHAT, FIVE YEARS AGO.
HELENA, IT IMPACTS PORT ROYAL AND IMPACTS THE CITY OF BUFORD TRAFFIC.
I THINK THIS IS A GOOD START AND I WILL VOTE FOR IT.
UM, I KNOW SOME OTHER PEOPLE VOLUNTARILY SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THAT RFP, AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THEY DID, BUT WITH COVID, WE HAVEN'T HAD ENOUGH TIME TO HEAR FROM THE OWNERS OR PROPERTY, THE RE THE OTHER PUBLIC, UM, THAT WE'RE NOT HEARING FROM TODAY.
WE HEARD FROM FOUR PEOPLE TODAY AND THEY DID A GREAT JOB, BUT THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE SOME REAL STRONG IDEAS ABOUT LADY'S ISLAND THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO BE IN PUBLIC MEETINGS.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO START WITH
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THIS CHARRETTE.I HOPE WE CAN CHALLENGE THE CITY OF BUFORD TO MAYBE PUT SOME SKIN IN THIS GAME FOR THE CHARETTE TOO.
AND, UM, WE'D LIKE TO KNOW WHEN THEY CAN COMMIT THAT.
AND THEN WE GET A LOT OF INPUT AND THEN WE'LL SEE WHERE WE'RE AT.
BUT I DON'T SEE PUTTING OUT AN RFP AT THIS TIME FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND, $200,300,000 CONTRACT TILL WE HEAR MORE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM IN TWO YEARS.
UM, IF I UNDERSTAND THIS IS PRIMARILY TRANSPORTATION RELATED, IS THAT CORRECT? IT GOES WELL BEYOND.
AND THAT SIR, IT HAS TO DO WITH THE DESIGN, THE CIRCULATION.
IT AFFECTS ROADS AND EVERYTHING.
UM, I'M INCLINED TO VOTE FOR THIS, UH, SINCE THE ADMINISTRATION HAS RECOMMENDED IT.
AND ALSO I'M A LITTLE SENSITIVE TO, UM, HOW THIS PLAYS OUT IN THE NEXT TWO TO THREE MONTHS, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE 30 MILLION THAT WAS APPROVED IN THE PRIOR ONE IS SHORT BY, DID YOU SAY 40 MILLION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND SO, UH, I THINK TO BE STARTING INTO A PARALLEL PROCESS WHILE WHILE THAT COMMITTEE IS DOING ITS THING WOULD BE CUMBERSOME.
AND I THINK WE'D BE BETTER SERVED TO BE HAVING THE APPROACH THAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING, UM, WITH THE STAFF GOING FORWARD AND NOT MUDDY UP THAT, UH, THAT PENNY SALES TAX COMMITTEE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WE'LL TAKE A ROLL CALL.
YEAH, I DO SHARE THE MEMORIES THAT I DO NOW.
I'LL CALL HER, CALL IT MOMENT.
ANY OF YOU ALL WERE SAYING, SO WE MAY HAVE TO CALL OUR IT PEOPLE TO TAKE A QUICK PEEK AT THIS, BECAUSE WHAT YOU SAY IS IMPORTANT, BUT WE, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND ANY OF IT.
AND YOU ALSO, THAT'S UNFORTUNATE YOUR CAUSE YOUR WORDS ARE CRITICAL TO WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
UM, I'LL MAKE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD ON THE UNDERGROUND FOR $3 MILLION.
I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND YOU COUNSELING SUPPORT THE ISSUE.
DOES THAT SUMMARIZE WHAT YOU SAID? COUNCILMAN CUNNINGHAM.
UM, THE MAKER OF THE MOTION WAS COUNCILMAN RODMAN, I THINK.
IS THAT RIGHT? WHERE YOU CAN MAKE A CAMERA SOMERVILLE MADE A MOTION.
YOU MENTIONED IT WAS COUNCILMAN JOE FOR DISCUSSION.
LET'S START WITH YOU COUNSELOR ROLE.
UM, WE'LL START AT THIS END COUNSELING AND TOILING.
UH, COUNCILMAN LAWSON, NELSON DAWSON, COUNCILMAN CUNNINGHAM.
DID I MISS SOMEONE CHRIS? I'M SORRY.
UM, COUNCILMAN HERBERT, SHAUN IN THE FINAL COUNT.
I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND IF NELSON HARBOR SEAN SAID NO.
GOING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM IT PASSED, UH, THREE.
NO, AND YES, CHAIRMAN LOOK AT THIS QUALITY OF IT, OF THIS, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE ON ZOOM.
SOME OF YOU ON ZOOM WHO ARE AT THE PODIUM WOULD GET OFF.
THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE MORE BANDWIDTH.
MADAM CHAIRMAN I ASKED PERMISSION USE.
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EIGHT, WHICH WILL BE PRESENTED, UM, FINE.RECOMMEND FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE FOR APPROVAL OF A ZONING AMENDMENT REQUESTS FOR 6.26.
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SORRY.THIS ONE WILL BE PRESENTED BY MS. NAG AND, UH, RECOMMEND FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE FOR APPROVAL OF ZONING MAP, AMENDMENT REZONING REQUESTS FOR THE 19 RURAL AND CRITICAL LAND PRESERVATION PROPERTIES FROM VARIOUS ZONING DISTRICTS TO T1 NATURAL RESERVE.
YOU NEED A MOTION AND SECOND BEFORE SHE STARTS.
WELL HERE DISCUSSION NOW KNOW, UH, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
UM, THIS ITEM IS, UM, IS TO DOWNLOAD ZONE 19 OF THE RURAL AND CRITICAL PROPERTIES.
UH, WHEN THE PROGRAM FIRST STARTED ON 22 YEARS AGO NOW, UM, IN, IN THE INITIAL STAGES, THE PROPERTIES WERE REZONED SHORTLY AFTER ACQUISITION AND SOMEWHERE IN THE TRANSITION OF, UM, ON TRACTORS AND DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT WE HAD FROM TRUST REPUBLIC LANDS TO NATURE CONSERVANCY TO THE OPEN LAND TRUST, UM, THE REZONING OF THE PROPERTIES AS THEY WERE ACQUIRED, UH, JUST GOT LOST IN THE MIX.
SO I NOTICED THAT SEVERAL PROPERTIES, UM, OR ZONED T2 ARE SOME COMMERCIAL, UM, SOME NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICTS, SOME WERE STILL IN PDS.
AND SO I JUST THOUGHT, WELL, IN ORDER TO BE CONSISTENT THROUGH THE PROGRAM, LET'S GO AHEAD AND PUT THEM ALL AS T1 NATURAL PRESERVE.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TODAY IS TO DO BASICALLY A BATCH REZONING DOWN ZONING OF THESE PROPERTIES, THESE 19 PROPERTIES IN THIS ONE ORDINANCE.
COUNSELING GLOVER GOT A QUESTION.
THE QUESTION I HAVE THESE 19 PROPERTIES ARE UNDER OUR JURISDICTION.
THEY'RE NOT EASEMENTS, CORRECT CONSERVATION EASEMENTS.
THEY ARE ALL COUNTY OWNED FEE SIMPLE PROMISES THROUGH THE PASSIVE PART PROGRAM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYONE? YES.
AND WE HAD A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY, ANY OBJECTION? WE'LL PASS THIS WITHOUT OBJECTION.
THANK YOU, MS. OKAY, NOW WE GET TO THE NEXT ONE.
UM, MR. MERCHANT, THIS IS THE RECOMMENDED FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE FOR APPROVAL OF THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT REQUEST FOR 6.26 ACRES AT 180 6 CHEROKEE FARMS ROAD FROM T2 RURAL TO T4 HAMLET CENTER OPEN.
UM, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON PORT ROYAL ISLANDS.
IT'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF CHEROKEE FARMS ROAD, APPROXIMATELY 600 FEET FROM THE ENTRANCE, UH, TO HABERSHAM.
AND, UM, WE DO HAVE A DRONE, UH, WITH DRONE FOOTAGE OF THIS PROPERTY.
AND THEN WHEN THEY HAVE THAT READY, WE'LL SHOW IT TO YOU.
IT'S A, AS YOU SAID, 6.26 ACRES, UM, IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE AREAS DESIGNATED AS, UM, URBAN MIXED USE, BUT ALSO, UM, IT IS UNDER THE AIR INSTALLATION COMPATIBILITY USE OR A COUS.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S IN, WITHIN THE NOISE CONTOURS OF THE AIR STATION, THE CURRENT ZONING OF THE PROPERTY IS T2 RURAL AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE ZONING TO BE T4 HAMLET CENTER OPEN, UM, THIS PROPERTY, UM, CURRENTLY, UH, IT HA THERE IS A 12,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL BUILDING ON THE SITE.
UM, AND IT ALMOST TOUCHES THE HABERSHAM COMMUNITY, UH, JUST SHY OF THAT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF CHEROKEE FARMS ROAD.
AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT IS, UM, THE CHEROKEE FARMS DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS KIND OF THE NEXT PHASE OF HABERSHAM.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH HABERSHAM.
IT'S A TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOODS DEVELOPMENT, UH, WALKABLE COMMUNITY, UM, AND THERE'S SIGNIFICANT ROOM FOR EXPANSION IN THE CHEROKEE FARM SIDE.
UM, I THINK, UH, ALL TOTAL THAT COMMUNITY, UH, MAKES UP ABOUT 427 ACRES, UH, WITH, UH, 1400 APPROVED RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
SO THAT'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE IMPACT, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS COMPATIBLE WITH CHEROKEE FARMS. THE OTHER
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CONCERN WAS COMPATIBILITY WITH AIR STATION SINCE IT SITS IN THE NOISE CONTOURS.UM, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE ASKED THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS WAS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THEY COULD, UH, APPROACH HABERSHAM AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT THEY WERE DOING ON THIS SITE WAS NOT REDUNDANT WITH WHAT IS, UM, THERE'S ALREADY CAPACITY WITHIN HABERSHAM FOR SIGNIFICANT, UH, COMMERCIAL EXPANSION.
UM, CURRENTLY THERE IS A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT ON MARKET STREET.
UM, SOUTH OF CHEROKEE FARMS ROAD IN THAT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT CONTINUES INTO THE, UH, THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE ROAD, WHICH IS A CHEROKEE FARM SITE AND HAS, UM, PROXIMATELY 150,000 ADDITIONAL SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL THAT COULD DEVELOP AN ED AREA.
SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IN MAKING ANY CHANGES TO THIS SITE, WE WEREN'T SIMPLY CREATING MORE COMPETITION TO AN AREA THAT ALREADY HAS SIGNIFICANT CAPACITY TO GROW.
UM, THEY APPROACHED, UH, HABERSHAM AND THEY EXPRESSED AN INTEREST TO SEE THIS SITE DEVELOP MORE IN THE TYPE OF USES THAT COULD COMPLIMENT WHAT THEY HAVE IN OUR MAIN STREETS.
SO IF YOU THINK OF THAT MAIN STREET OR WHAT'S, WHAT'S ON MARKET STREET IN HABERSHAM, IT'S OFFICES, BOUTIQUES, UM, UH, RETAIL SPACE RESTAURANTS, THAT TYPE OF THING IN A WALKABLE MAIN STREET FASHION, BUT THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE, OR THINGS LIKE MEDICAL OFFICES, OR, UM, YOU KNOW, VETERINARY SERVICES TYPES OF USES THAT MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE INTO A MAIN STREET.
SO THEY WORKED WITH HABERSHAM.
UM, I KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT HAS, UM, YOU KNOW, TH THEY GOT SOME APPROVAL FROM THE HABERSHAM LAND COMPANY AND WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
WE ALSO REACHED OUT TO THE AIR STATION.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ASKED THEM TO DO SINCE THIS DISTRICT ALLOWS FOR A LOT OF USES, AND IT ALLOWS FOR FAIRLY HIGH DENSITY IS WE HAD THEM PROVIDE A CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN.
AND, AND THIS IS SIMPLY CONCEPTUAL BECAUSE IT'S NOT BINDING WITH THIS, UH, ZONING AMENDMENT TO SHOW HOW THE SITE COULD BE DEVELOPED, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE CAPACITY OF WHAT THAT DISTRICT ALLOWS.
UM, THEY PRESENTED TWO, UH, LAYOUTS, ONE, UH, HAD A, SORT OF A BREWERY BEER GARDEN, MEDICAL OFFICES, AND THE OTHER ONE HAS ASSISTED LIVING.
THE AIR STATION WAS VERY STRONGLY OPPOSED TO ANYTHING WITH A CONCENTRATION OF RESIDENCES.
AND SO ASSISTED LIVING FELL IN THAT CATEGORY.
UM, SO THEY WERE IN FAVOR OF THE PLAN THAT DID NOT HAVE ANY RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT.
UM, AND SO THEY SORT OF GOT THEIR CONDITIONAL SUPPORT FROM THE AIR STATION AS WELL.
UH, AS FAR AS STAFF IS CONCERNED, WE DO HAVE THE AIRPORT OVERLAY DISTRICT IN PLACE.
SO THAT WOULD LIMIT DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL DENSITY ON THIS SITE.
UM, SO WITH ALL OF THAT RE OH, WE DO HAVE SOME FOOTAGE OF THE SITE, SO YOU COULD SEE WHERE IT'S LOCATED.
OKAY, THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH, AND THAT IS THE EXISTING METAL BUILDING ON THE SITE.
AND THE LOCATION OF HABERSHAM.
THIS IS MOVING LESS TOWARDS THE BROAD RIVER AND, UH, HABERSHAM IN BETWEEN THERE.
SO REALLY IT'S THAT BUILDING THE CLEARED AREA AND THE TREES IN BETWEEN THERE AND THE ENTRANCE TO HABERSHAM THAT IT'S APPROXIMATELY SIX AND A QUARTER ACRES.
THAT'S THE MAIN MARKET STREET AREA OF HABERSHAM, A CLUSTER OF BUILDINGS THERE.
AND THIS IS LOOKING EAST, THERE'S A, THE BUILDING AND THE PROPERTY LINE PRETTY MUCH ENDS AT THAT LINE OF TREES, BUT EAST IT'S MUCH MORE OPEN IT'S PRIMARILY THE, THE BURDEN AREA.
SO, UM, KIND OF RURAL RESIDENTIAL, AND THEN THIS IS KIND OF GIVING YOU A SWEEPING VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.
AS FAR AS STAFF RECOMMENDATION, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
AND WE BELIEVE THAT THE PARCEL HAS POTENTIAL TO SERVE THE HABERSHAM CHEROKEE FARMS COMMUNITY WITH SUPPORTING BUSINESSES THAT MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE IN THE EXISTING MARKET STREET AREA.
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THIS RECEIVED, WHEN IT WENT TO OUR PLANNING COMMISSION, THEY VOTED, UM, A RECOMMENDATION OF VOTE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL, FAILED TO PASS.THEY DID NOT RECOMMEND DISAPPROVAL.
AND BECAUSE THIS IS IN THE GROWTH BOUNDARY, IT ALSO WENT TO THE METROPOLITAN PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, AND AT THEIR DECEMBER 20TH MEETING, THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.
WHAT'S OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO FOR A MOTION, OR WE CAN WRAP IT UP.
I SAW THAT IT WAS T4 NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER CHANGED TO SOMETHING ELSE.
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO? UM, THE PRIMARY DIFFERENCE IS T4 NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER.
THE BUILDING HEIGHT GOES UP TO FOUR STORIES WHERE IN THE HAMLET CENTER OPEN, WHICH THEY CHANGED TO IS TWO AND A HALF.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS THAT HAMLET CENTER OPEN HAS A TOTAL LIMIT ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF A BUILDING, I BELIEVE IS 50,000 SQUARE FEET.
THERE'S NO LIMIT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER DISTRICT.
AND THAT CHANGE WAS MADE IN PART OF THAT DISCUSSION WITH HABERSHAM.
UM, AND I FAILED TO MENTION IT.
IT ORIGINALLY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN OUR, OUR SEPTEMBER PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA.
WE HAD A NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION AT THAT POINT DUE TO THAT ZONING AND LACK OF COORDINATION WITH THE AIR STATION AND WITH HABERSHAM AND THE APPLICANT PULLED THE APP REQUESTS, AND THEN WE WORKED WITH THEM OVER THOSE TWO ISSUES.
SO WE'RE GOING TO GET THEM TO CHANGE IT.
AND THE PC SAID, NO, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES, SIR.
LET ME SPEAK JUST TO THIS JUST A MINUTE AGO IN SUPPORT OF IT.
UM, I DON'T THINK THEY SPOKE TO THIS ARTICULAR RESETTING, THEY SPOKE TO THE OTHER ONE.
UM, BUT IT DIDN'T LEAK DID NOT SPEAK TO THIS ONE.
SO YOU, YOU SUPPORT IT AND THE, AND THE, YOU SAY THE MARINE CORPS HAS VERBALLY SAID TO SOMEBODY THAT IS OKAY.
THEY HAVE A S THEY DO HAVE A SUPPORT LETTER IN THE FORM OF AN EMAIL FROM DAVE TRAIL WITH THE, UH, YEAH.
BUT IT'S GOING FROM RURAL T TO RURAL, TO T4 HAMLET CENTER.
SO LET'S TALK ABOUT, JUST ABOUT DENSITY.
WHAT DOES THAT DO? WELL, IN TERMS OF RESIDENTIAL DENSITY, BECAUSE OF THE AIRPORT OVERLAY DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, IN THE AA COUS, IT COULD NOT BE MORE THAN TWO 12 UNITS PER ACRE.
SO FOR A SIX ACRE SITE, THERE WOULD BE NO MORE THAN 12 UNITS PERMITTED.
SO REGARDLESS OF THIS ZONING DISTRICT, THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT IS LIMITED TO TWO UNITS PER ACRE, BECAUSE THERE'S AN OVERLAY DISTRICT GOVERNANCE.
WELL, THEY OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOMETHING IN THERE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET THAT THEY DON'T HAVE UNDER TEACHER RURAL.
THEY'RE THERE THEY'RE INTEREST IN COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OFFICE AND RETAIL.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT THAT, UM, CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT THEY SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION SHOWS A MIXTURE OF RETAIL AND OFFICE, WHICH IS PREFERENTIAL BY THE MARINE CORPS.
NOT A MEDICAL EXCEPT NOT ASSISTANT.
THE NURSING HOME ASSISTED LIVING THREW UP A RED FLAG.
AND MOST LIKELY, EVEN IF THEY DID, RESEWN IT, I MEAN, AT THE STAFF LEVEL, WE WOULD NOT PERMIT THAT.
WE LOOK AT THE BEDS AS UNITS AND GOTCHA.
SO WE DON'T NEED TO PUT THAT AS A CONDITION ON THIS.
IF WE MOVE IT FORWARD, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S NECESSARY BECAUSE THE OVERLAY DISTRICT SPELLED OVERRIDES IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, SIR.
W WHAT WAS THE, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THE VOTE, OR DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE VOTE WAS AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WHY THEY WERE OPPOSED TO IT? THERE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC ISSUE.
THEY WANTED TO HAVE ADDITIONAL, UM, AGREEMENTS OR CONDITIONS THAT THE APPLICANT IN THE AIR STATION WOULD HAVE.
AND FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, WE DID NOT KNOW, WE DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS A MECHANISM THAT THEY CAN USE AS PART OF THE REZONING PROCESS.
AND IT WAS OUR POSITION THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE AN OVERLAY DISTRICT THAT IS DESIGNED TO ENFORCE THE AKOS WITH THE AIR STATION, THAT THAT WAS SUFFICIENT BECAUSE IT LIMITED THE DENSITY AND INCOMPATIBLE USES IN THAT AREA.
COUNCILMAN GLOVER HAD HIS HAND UP.
DID I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY THAT YOU SAID ABOUT CHANGING TO THE T UM, FOR HAMLET, UM, THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO GO FOR STORIES,
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RIGHT? YEAH.IT, SO THEIR ORIGINAL REQUEST WAS T4 NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER.
THIS IS WHEN HE ORIGINALLY APPROACHED US WITH THE REZONING REQUEST THAT ALLOWS FOR STORIES.
AND THIS DISTRICT ALLOWS A MAXIMUM OF TWO AND A HALF STORIES.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY CHANGED IT TO T4 CENTER HIM FULL STORIES.
WOULD THAT BE DECIDED HILTON HEAD, WOULD THAT BE SOME OF THE HIGHEST BUILDINGS IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE AFRICAN? YEAH.
I MEAN, IT'S, THAT DISTRICT IS ONLY APPLIES TO CERTAIN SELECT AREAS OF THE COUNTY.
IT'S OUR MOST, IT'S OUR HIGHEST TRANSECT ZONE.
SO IT'S REALLY ONLY APPROPRIATE KIND OF ADJOINING MUNICIPALITIES, YOU KNOW, UH, AN AREA LIKE BOUNDARY STREETS, OR THERE'S SOME AREAS, YOU KNOW, IN THE OUTSKIRTS OF BLUFFTON, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.
I MEAN, THAT'S, UM, THAT'S ABOUT AS TALL AS YOU GET OUTSIDE OF HILTON HEAD ISLANDS, IT'D BE, AND WOULD THE AIR STATION APPROVAL THAT'S THAT HEIGHT IN THAT AREA? JUST CURIOUS.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THEY CHANGED THE, UM, CHAIRMAN PASSMAN HAS QUESTION WHEN, BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, DID IT GO BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS T4 NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER, AND THAT'S WHY THEY REJECTED IT? NO, IT WENT BEFORE IS, UM, SO THE, THE VERY FIRST MEETING WAS THE ONE THAT WENT THROUGH.
THEN IT WENT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN NOVEMBER AS T4 HAMLET CENTER.
AND I THINK THAT IF I REMEMBER THE DISCUSSION THAT THE PRIMARY REASON THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT AT THAT POINT, THEY DID NOT HAVE A CLEAR, UM, APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL FROM THE AIR STATION.
THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT WORKED OUT, AND WE JUST DID NOT SEE THAT AS SOMETHING THAT'S ENFORCEABLE, YOU KNOW, IN A REZONING PROCESS, IT SHOULD TAKE AN ACTUAL VOTE THEN.
WELL, THIS WAS A KIND OF A PROCEDURAL.
THEY VOTED, SOMEBODY MADE A MOTION TO, UM, RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND IT FAILED TO GET TO GATHER ENOUGH VOTES TO PASS.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY TOOK A VOTE TO NOT APPROVE IT.
SO IT'S TECHNICALLY STILL THERE.
DOES IT NEED TO BE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION? DO THEY NEED TO VOTE ON IT BEFORE? I THINK THAT THEY WERE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE ACTION.
UM, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO CLARIFY SOME OF THIS STUFF.
OUR PLANNING COMMISSION OPERATES ON THE PREMISE THAT IF THEY MAKE A MOTION AND THE MOTION FAILS, THEN IT GOES AUTOMATICALLY TO A DENIAL.
THEY DON'T GO BACK AND MAKE ANOTHER MOTION.
WE'VE GOT TO, WE'VE GOT TO WORK ON THAT AND CORRECT THAT BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE RULES AND PROCEDURES SAY, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT IS COMPLIANT WITH ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.
SO THAT'S THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY.
SO LOOKING IN THE PACKAGE, I THINK YOU'VE CLARIFIED THIS TO ME.
UM, REALLY, IT WOULDN'T MATTER IF THERE WAS ANY KIND OF MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE AIR STATION AND THE OWNER, BECAUSE THE ONLY THING ENFORCEABLE IS THE, UH, OVERLAY DISTRICT.
CERTAINLY PURSUE THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE COMMENDABLE, BUT WE CAN'T REQUIRE THAT AS A CONDITION OF THE ONLY THING WE REQUIRE WHAT'S IN THE ZONING, UM, FOR THE ACRES.
ANYONE ELSE ONLINE? HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
UM, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND THE FIRST READING AS I HAVE A SECOND FROM T2 RURAL TO T4 HAMLET CENTER.
DO WE NEED A ROLL CALL? VOTE COUNCILMAN CUNNINGHAM.
WITHOUT OBJECTION, THIS WILL GO ON.
[9. RECOMMEND FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE FOR APPROVAL OF A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE (CDC): SECTIONS A.2.40 (PERMITTED ACTIVITIES), A.4.40 (PERMITTED ACTIVITIES), AND A.5.40 (PERMITTED ACTIVITIES) TO REVISE THE LADY’S ISLAND COMMUNITY PRESERVATION, LADY’S ISLAND NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVITY CENTER, AND LADY’S ISLAND PROFESSIONAL OFFICE DISTRICTS TO INCLUDE SHORT-TERM RENTALS AS A SPECIAL USE.]
RIGHT.THE NEXT ONE IS A RECOMMEND FIRST READING, BUT ORDINANCE FOR FREE TO THE CDC, UH, PERMITTED ACTIVITIES AND TO REVISE THE LADIES ALL IN COMMUNITY PRESERVATION.
WHY USE ISLAND NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVITY CENTER AND LADIES ISLAND PROFESSIONAL OFFICE DISTRICTS TO INCLUDE SHORT-TERM RENTALS AS A SPECIAL USE.
AND MS. SMITH IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS BEFORE WE TAKE THE MOTION.
THIS CAME ABOUT WITH AN APPLICATION FOR A TEXT
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AMENDMENT TO OUR DEPARTMENTS BY MR. RALPH MCCARTER, WHO IS PRESENT IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY, HE'S SEEKING TO ADD SHORT-TERM RENTALS AS A SPECIAL USE SPECIFICALLY TO THE LADY'S ISLAND COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICT.THE LADY'S ISLAND EXPANDED HOME BUSINESS DISTRICT WAS JUST HEARD LAST MONTH AND SHORT-TERM RENTALS WERE ADDED TO THAT DISTRICT AS A SPECIAL USE PER COUNCIL'S VOTE.
UM, STAFF FELT THAT IT WAS ALSO APPROPRIATE TO ADD THE LADIES ISLAND NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVITY CENTER AND THE LADIES ISLAND PROFESSIONAL OFFICE DISTRICTS TO THIS, SINCE THOSE ARE THE TWO MORE, UM, TO LEAST RESTRICTIVE OF THE FOUR COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICTS OUT THERE ON LADY'S ISLAND.
SO THE LADY'S ISLAND EXPANDED HOME BUSINESS DISTRICT, WHICH WAS APPROVED FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS LAST MONTH AND THE LADY'S ISLAND COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICT, WHICH IS BEFORE YOU TODAY ARE THE TWO MOST CONSERVATIVE, UH, COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICTS OUT THERE ON LADY'S ISLAND.
WE TOOK A LOOK AT LADIES ISLAND, COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICT, AND IT IS PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL AND CHARACTER.
THERE ARE VERY FEW, UM, COMMERCIAL USES IN THAT DISTRICT.
IT DOES EXTEND FOR PRETTY FAR AWAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE IT READILY AVAILABLE, UM, BUT IT, IT INCLUDES A LOT OF DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES.
SO I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
WE'VE GOT SOLID ON DEER RUN, ROYAL PINES, TRADEWINDS PLANTATION, UH, MAGNOLIA CORE AND SO ON.
THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF COMMUNITIES ALL THROUGHOUT THIS REGION.
WE COMPARED TO THE LADIES ISLAND COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICT WITH OUR TRANSECT ZONES THAT ALREADY HAVE SHORT-TERM RENTALS INCLUDED AS A SPECIAL USE AND FOUND THAT IT'S PRETTY COMPARABLE TO T3 EDGE T3, HAMLET NEIGHBORHOOD AND T3 NEIGHBORHOOD, AS FAR AS THE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED WITHIN THIS ZONE.
AND SINCE THOSE THREE TRANSECT ZONES ALREADY INCLUDE SHORT-TERM RENTALS AS A SPECIAL USE, THIS LADY'S ISLAND COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICT FELT COMPATIBLE, UM, APPROPRIATE FOR THAT ADDITIONAL USE.
AND THEN AGAIN, WE THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO GO AHEAD AND HANDLE THE LADY'S ISLAND NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVITY CENTER AND THE LADIES ISLAND PROFESSIONAL OFFICE DISTRICTS AS WELL AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, AND I THINK I WILL OPEN IT FOR QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY, I JUST LIKE TO MAKE ONE QUICK COMMENT BEFORE YOUR QUESTIONS, UM, ANY OF THESE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE ZBA.
THAT PROCESS BEFORE WOULD BE APPROVED AS A SPECIALTY.
UM, SO WHERE IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE SPECIAL USES IN ALL OF OUR TRANSECT SIGNS EXCEPT FOR T ONE NATURAL PRESERVE AND IN THE LADY'S ISLAND EXPANDED HOME BUSINESS DISTRICT AND IN THE C3 NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE DISTRICT.
AND SO ESPECIAL SPECIAL USE WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF ON WHETHER OR NOT IT'S AN APPROPRIATE USE FOR THAT PROPERTY IN THE ZONE AND AREA IT'S IN.
AND THEN THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS WOULD MAKE A DECISION, UM, AND THEY CAN TACK ON CONDITIONS AS THEY NEED THAT KIND OF THING.
ANY QUESTIONS ONE QUICK ONE, UM, COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, MAYBE, UM, WON'T EVEN KNOW WHATEVER HAPPENED, BUT, UM, THERE WERE SOME NEIGHBORS IN THE BLUFFTON COMMUNITY, UM, COMPLAINING ABOUT NOISE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, UH, BECAUSE WHEN THE POLICE PROPERTY AND, UM, IS THERE ANY PROVISION IN ANY OF THE OWNERS THAT DEAL WITH NOISE ABUSE BECAUSE OF RENTAL, IT COMES CHECK, LET MS. DRAGS AND ADDRESS IT.
WELL, SURE, GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN.
SO THAT FALLS MORE OVER INTO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ASPECT OF, UM, ACTIVITIES LIKE THAT.
AND THE ANSWER TO THAT IS YES, WE HAVE A NOISE ORDINANCE AND WE ALSO HAVE OTHER ORDINANCES ABOUT, UM, TRAFFIC IMPACTS AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IF IT, IF IT GETS OUT OF ORDER AND VIOLATES ONE OF OUR ORDINANCES, WE DEFINITELY HAVE THE CAPACITY CAME FORTH.
UH, DO YOU REMEMBER THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT CAME FORTH? THE CITIZENS THAT CAME FORTH, UM, SEVERAL YEARS AGO ABOUT A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS BASICALLY RENTAL PROPERTY IN? I DO.
I DON'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF IT.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW CENTS ALSO, UH, WITH, WITH A NUMBER OF ISSUES LIKE THAT.
AND EVERY ONE OF THEM, WE TAKE THEM INDIVIDUALLY.
WE COMPARE THE, THE SITUATION WITH OUR ORDINANCE.
AND IF THERE IS A VIOLATION, WE HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF THAT GO OUT AND ADDRESS THAT.
AND I WILL ASK YOU, UM, THAT WE TOOK THIS BEFORE THE LADY'S ISLAND COMMUNITY PRESERVATION COMMITTEE AT BACK IN NOVEMBER, AND IT WAS, IT WASN'T A VERY WELL ATTENDED MEETING, BUT AT THE TIME THERE WAS NO OBJECTION TO THE INCLUSION OF THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL SPECIAL USE INTO THE LIC PC DISTRICT, ALONG WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE L I N A C THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVITY CENTER
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AND THE LA PROFESSIONAL OFFICE DISTRICTS, AND THEN BUFORD COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEWED IT IN DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR AND VOTED SEVEN TO TWO TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ADDING THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL AS A SPECIAL USE TO THESE THREE DISTRICTS.I MEAN, THIS HAS BECOME A TOPIC, DID YOU, OR IT'S A HOT TOPIC EVERYWHERE.
AND THERE ARE PROS AND CONS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
I LIVE IN THE CITY OF BUFORD AND THE PIGEON POINT NEIGHBORHOOD, AND A WHILE BACK, ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS WANTED TO CONVERT A HOUSE TO A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
SO I WAS FACED WITH THIS AND I WAS ASKED AS, AS, AS A NEIGHBOR TO OFFER MY OPINION IN WRITING, WHICH I DID, AND I SUPPORTED IT.
I THOUGHT THAT, UH, HE WAS RESPONSIBLE PERSON AND, UH, I KNEW HE WAS A RESPONSIBLE PERSON AND I KNEW THAT WAS A PROBLEM.
AND IT'S BEEN, WE'VE HAD SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
UM, I LIKE IT AS A SPECIAL USE BECAUSE IT ALLOWS THE NEIGHBORS TO HAVE INPUT.
AND, UM, I'VE BEEN LISTENING CAREFULLY TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY SHARE MY VIEW, THAT THE NEIGHBOR'S OPINIONS ARE RELEVANT TO WHATEVER DECISION THEY MAKE, WHETHER IT'S A SHORT-TERM RENTAL OR WHETHER IT'S A COFFEE SHOP IN SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD, WHATEVER IT IS.
SO I'M INCLINED TO SUPPORT THIS.
UM, I THINK IT GIVES, IT GIVES ENOUGH, UH, ENOUGH, UH, INTUIT OPPORTUNITY FOR INPUT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S TAKEN SERIOUSLY.
AND, UH, SO I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH IT.
CAN ANYONE ONLINE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS I'D LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO PASS THIS RECOMMENDATION AND MAKE THE MOTION? RIGHT.
THANK, THANK YOU TO HAVE A SECOND.
ANY WITHOUT ANY OBJECTIONS, THANK YOU FOR THE EXPLANATION.
[10. RECOMMEND FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE FOR APPROVAL OF A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT/REZONING REQUEST FOR 6.55 ACRES (R600 041 000 0172 0000) AT 28 BUCKINGHAM PLANTATION DRIVE FROM T4 HAMLET CENTER OPEN TO T4 NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER]
UM, IN YOUR PACKET WAS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS PUBLISHED WAS DIFFERENT ON THE AMENDMENT? UM, THIS IS NUMBER 10.SO I NEED, UM, MS. BROCK, I NEED TO READ THIS OUT LOUD OR DO YOU WANT TO PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN? THE CORRECTED VERSION? IT'S THE ORDINANCE, UM, IN THE ORDINANCE, IT MENTIONS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED TO DENY THE REZONING, BUT THAT'S INCORRECT.
IT WAS VOTED TO APPROVE IN THE FINAL VERSION WILL SAY, YES, WE WILL ENSURE IT IS UPDATED.
SO I DON'T NEED TO READ THE WHOLE THING.
SO YOU WANT TO TAKE THIS ONE? ABSOLUTELY.
UM, SO AS WAS JUST MENTIONED, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT T4 NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER AND HOW SOME OF THESE DISTRICTS EXIST ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF LEFT-HAND.
WELL, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO THE OUTSKIRTS OF BLUFFTON FOR THIS PARTICULAR REZONING.
AND I DO HAVE SOME MAPS AVAILABLE FOR YOU ALL TO LOOK AT AND WE'LL DO THE VIDEO AS WELL HERE IN A MOMENT.
SO YOU CAN SEE THIS PROPERTY, BUT THIS IS A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD REZONING REQUEST.
THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION OWNED BY MR. MIHAI, UM, IS SIX AND A HALF ACRES.
IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED T4 HAMLET CENTER OPEN MR. MIHAI OWNS THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY AS WELL, WHICH IS CURRENTLY ZONED T4 NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER CENTER.
SO THE REASON THIS IS BEFORE YOU TODAY IS BECAUSE THE OWNER IS TRYING TO ACHIEVE A COMPATIBLE SYNONYMOUS ZONING ACROSS BOTH PARCELS WITH THE INTENT TO DEVELOP BOTH OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME.
AND SO WANTS TO WORK WITHIN THE SAME REGULATIONS UNDERNEATH EACH.
UM, IF YOU'LL RECALL EARLIER, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT T4 HAMLET CENTER OPEN.
SO HERE'S OUR MAP COMING UP FOR YA TO HELP KIND OF VISUALIZE WHERE WE ARE.
AND I MAY HAVE INCLUDED TOO MANY.
IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OF OVERKILL, BUT WANTED TO MAKE SURE.
SO YOU CAN SEE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS OUTLINED IN RED, THAT YOU'VE GOT THE T4 NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER, WHICH IS THE REQUESTED REZONING FOR THIS NEW PROPERTY, THIS 28 BUCKINGHAM PLANTATION DRIVE ACROSS BLUFFTON PARKWAY THERE THAT IS EDGEWATER THE EDGEWATER APARTMENT COMPLEX, WHICH WE WILL SEE AN AERIAL HERE IN A MOMENT.
SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE WAY THE LANDSCAPE LOOKS.
THAT IS A, A T FOR HAMLET CENTER, OPEN DEVELOPMENT.
SO IT GIVES AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THAT DISTRICT ALLOWS.
SO THAT'S THE CURRENT DISTRICT OF THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION IN THIS AFTERNOON TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY IS THE OLD SOUTH PUD WITH ITS GOLF COURSE AND ASSOCIATED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN FLANKING ACROSS THE STREETS AROUND EDGEWATER IS C5 REGIONAL CENTER MIXED USE.
THIS IS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
SO TANGER OUTLETS, SELF STORAGE UNITS, A VARIETY OF OTHER USES OF FIRE DISTRICT.
UM, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE KIND OF THE REALM THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH IN, AND WE CAN GO AHEAD ONTO THE NEXT SLIDE.
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UM, THE PROPERTY AS MENTIONED IS SIX AND A HALF ACRES.SO KIND OF A REPEAT OF THE SAME THING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, AND WE CAN GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE, WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE ALL HAD A GOOD LAYOUT.
SO THIS IS AN AERIAL IMAGE TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE AREA LOOKS LIKE.
SO AGAIN, TO THE SOUTH, WE HAVE THE OLD SOUTH GOLF COURSE AND ASSOCIATED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, KIND OF MOVING TO THE SOUTH SOUTHEAST, UM, ACROSS TO THE NORTH, ACROSS THE BLUFFTON PARKWAY.
YOU CAN SEE THE EDGEWATER DEVELOPMENT DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM WHERE THAT RED, RED ARROW IS.
UM, AND THEN THE TANGER OUTLET SUBDIVISIONS THERE.
AND THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD ONTO THE NEXT SLIDE.
THIS ONE GIVES US A CLOSER LOOK.
IT IS AN UNDEVELOPED LOT, UM, THIS LOT AND THE NEIGHBORING LOT WE'RE ON A PREEXISTING EXECUTIVE COURSE, I THINK IS WHAT IT WAS CALLED.
IT WAS A NINE HOLE, THREE PAR GOLF COURSE IN THE PAST.
UM, AND SO YOU CAN SEE EDGEWATER AGAIN, STRAIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
THEY'RE JUST GIVING YOU A BETTER LOOK AT THAT.
AND THEN I THINK THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE VIDEO.
SO MOVING TOWARDS BLUFFTON DOWN BLUFFTON PARKWAY WHERE THE RED TREE START, THIS WAS TAKEN BACK IN OCTOBER.
UM, THIS IS WHERE THE PROPERTY BEGINS.
YOU CAN SEE THE GOLF COURSE BEHIND IT WHEN WE GET TO THE CURB CUT, WHICH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE ENTRANCE INTO EDGEWATER.
THAT'S WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE ENDS RIGHT HERE.
AND THEN THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY IS OWNED BY THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER, LOOKING OUT TOWARDS THE SOUTHEAST AGAIN, WHERE THE RED TREES ARE, BECAUSE IF YOUR FOCUS POINT FOR THE PROPERTY, IN QUESTION GOING SOUTH OVER TOWARDS THE GOLF COURSE, THIS IS FROM BEHIND THE PROPERTY.
SO IF YOU WERE ON THE GOLF COURSE, LOOKING NORTH TANGER AND EDGEWATER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, AND THEN GOING TOWARDS HILTON HEAD THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION FROM WHERE WE STARTED.
SO T4 HAMLET CENTER OPEN IS A MORE, UM, KIND OF SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENT.
IT ALLOWS FOR MIXED USE PEDESTRIAN, SHEDS BIKING AND WALKING WITH SOME COMMERCIAL.
UM, WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, T4 NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER IS A SLIGHTLY MORE INTENSE AS WE WERE JUST TALKING ON A COUPLE OF ITEMS TO GO.
SO IT WOULD ALLOW A, MORE OF A MAIN STREET FEEL OF DEVELOPMENT OF MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THAT AREA.
UM, AND I THINK ROB MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO IS YOU'RE GOING FROM 2.5 STORIES ALOUD TO FOUR STORIES.
UM, SO WE TOOK A LOOK AT THIS AND COMPARED IT TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, OUR 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST ONES GOT TO DO UNDER THE NEW COMP PLAN AND LOOKED AT THE FUTURE LAND USE FOR THIS AREA THAT IS DESIGNATED AS URBAN MIXED USE.
T4 NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER DOES FALL WITHIN THAT DESIGNATION.
SO IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH OUR FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.
UM, IT WOULD NOT BE A SPLIT ZONING.
IT IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO T4 NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER AND WOULD ACTUALLY, OR IT WOULD NOT BE A I'M SORRY, A SPOT ZONING, BUT IT WOULD HELP RECTIFY WHAT IS A SPLIT ZONING.
UM, AND IT IS APPROPRIATE WITH THE SURROUNDING CHARACTER OF THE LAND.
THAT IS A PRETTY MIXED USE AREA OF THE CORRIDOR.
SO IT WOULDN'T REALLY IMPACT THE CARE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.
WATER AND SEWER ARE AVAILABLE TO SERVICE THE PROPERTY AND EMS AND FIRE FACILITIES ARE WITHIN A HALF MILE OF THE SITE.
SO THEY WOULD BE SERVED APPROPRIATELY AT THE, OUR RECOMMENDATION STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IT IS CONSISTENT.
WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS REZONING REQUEST AT THE DECEMBER PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING THE COMMISSIONERS VOTED SEVEN TO TWO TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
BECAUSE THE APPLICANT GIVEN YOU ANY INDICATION OF WHAT THEY MIGHT LIKE TO DO IN THE, UM, APPLICATION PACKET THAT WE GOT THERE WAS TO CONCEPTUAL, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED.
SO RESIDENTIAL, I BELIEVE MULTI-FAMILY WAS IN THERE WITH THE INTENT IS TO HAVE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE ON THAT NARROW AREA, ITS OWN STREET NETWORK AND THIS TYPE OF THING HAPPENING, TWO APARTMENTS OR CONDOS AND MAYBE A COUPLE OF LITTLE STORES.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE LINE? YES.
SO WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE DIFFERENCE IN DENSITY BETWEEN THE TWO.
SO WHEN WE WERE TAKING A LOOK AT THIS APART OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS DETERMINE IF IT TRIGGERS A TIA.
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AND SO WE USED THE DIFFERENT, UH, REGULATIONS FOR BOTH ZONES AND ESSENTIALLY CAME UP WITH A NUMBER OF ABOUT 40 DIFFERENT UNITS BETWEEN THE TWO, IF YOU'RE GOING WITH THE MULTIFAMILY THERE.SO, UH, BETWEEN T4 HAMLET CENTER OPEN TO T UH, FOR NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER USING YOUR MOST INTENSE USES, IT WAS ABOUT 40 MINUTES.
THIS DIDN'T TRIGGER THE TIA AT THIS TIME, BUT WHEN, IF THIS REZONING IS APPROVED AND THE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT IS BROUGHT FORWARD TO US, WE WOULD ASSESS IT AT THAT POINT AT A STANDALONE POINT AND REASSESS FOR A TIA JUST, OH, APOLOGIES, UH, TRAFFIC IMPACT ASSESSMENT, BUT BE UNITS AND THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY RENTAL UNITS.
ARE WE LOOKING AT A BRIDGE THERE CAN TRY.
AND I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A NUMBER FOR YOU FOR THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY RIGHT NOW.
I'D BE HAPPY TO LOOK INTO IT AND, AND REPORT BACK.
UM, BUT I DO KNOW AS WELL THAT OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS WORKING WITH THEIR ON-CALL TRAFFIC CONSULTANTS TO SCOPE OUT A SCOPE AND FEE FOR THE BLUFFTON PARKWAY TO DO AN ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR THIS AREA.
SO WE ARE THINKING ABOUT, UM, TRAFFIC IMPACTS AND THOSE TYPES OF FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENING WOULD CERTAINLY BE CONSIDERED.
I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT DATA PRESENTATION.
WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING YOUR LAST STATEMENT.
COULD YOU, COULD YOU UNDERSTAND, THANK YOU.
WE'RE SAYING THAT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW, RIGHT? CORRECT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, ANYONE ONLINE OR WHEREVER THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS WOULD BE? IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS ACROSS BOTH PARCELS IS WHAT COUNCILMAN HAVAIANAS IS REQUESTING YET.
IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, DO I HAVE A MOTION? UM, WHETHER TO SEND THIS FORWARD, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.
DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? COMMENT, COUNCILMAN CUNNINGHAM.
UM, WE DON'T WANT TO GET, YEAH, WE CAN'T GO ON LIKE THIS, HAVING NO IDEA WHAT, UH, WHAT THESE GUYS ARE SAYING.
UM, UH, YEAH, LOGAN YOU'RE, YOU'RE BEING, YOU'RE BEING CHEATED HERE BECAUSE WHATEVER YOU'RE SAYING IS NOT BEING HEARD BY EVERYBODY, WHICH IS REALLY UNFORTUNATE.
I UNDERSTAND STOOD WHAT, UH, LOGAN HAD SAID THAT BECAUSE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE BLUFFTON PARKWAY, UH, IN GENERAL, THROUGHOUT THE BLUFFTON PARKWAY, HE WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PARTICULAR ONE BECAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO ADD TO THE DENSITY AND PROBLEMS ON BLUFFTON PARK.
WELL, LET'S, WE'RE GOING TO DO A ROLL CALL THOUGH.
WE'RE GOING TO ROLL CALL BOAT.
YOU ARE THE MAKER OF THE MOTION.
UH, COUNCILMAN GLOVER RIGHT NOW.
UM, COUNCILMAN DAWSON, ASPEN CUNNINGHAM.
AND WE WILL GET MORE INFORMATION AT THE NEXT STEP.
AND WE JUST, UM, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, EVERYONE, UM, THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING GOING ON IN THE, IN THE LINE BECAUSE WE'VE HAD PEOPLE ON, WE'VE HAD MORE PEOPLE THAN THIS ON ZOOM AND IT, AND IT'S WORKED FINE.
SO IT'S NOTHING INTERNAL IN THE SYSTEM.
UH, AND IF YOU ALL WANT A FURTHER EXPLANATION, WE CAN LET PATRICK, HE'LL GIVE YOU ALL AN EXPLANATION ABOUT WHAT'S
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GOING ON, BUT IT'S NOT US.IT'S NOT HAPPENING IN THIS BUILDING.
COULD WE HAVE A BRIEF EXPLANATION? I THINK IT'S, IT MUST BE SOMETHING, IT MUST BE SOMETHING THAT WITH THE CLOUD PROVIDER, ZOOM DOESN'T EXIST IN BUFORD COUNTY.
IT'S PROBABLY A SERVER IN ATLANTA OR SOMETHING.
UM, SO THERE'S, THERE MUST BE SOME SORT OF CONNECTION FROM HILTON HEAD OR FROM BLUFFTON UP TO THAT, THAT AREA THAT'S CAUSING DIFFICULTY.
CAUSE THEY ALL HAVE, THEY ALL HAVE LOW BANDS WITH SYMBOLS AND THE ODDS OF EVERYBODY THERE HAVING LOW BANDWIDTH IS PRETTY SMALL TALK.
SINCE THEY KNOW THAT LOW BANDWIDTH, THEY CAN SPEAK SLOWER TIME TO PROCESS WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.
SO WHAT, WHAT I THINK ONE PARTIAL SOLUTION TO THIS IS YOU CAN MAKE COMMENTS ONLINE.
IF YOU DON'T MIND TYPING THEM.
THE NEW, THE CHAT OR THEY GOING TO SPEAK SLOWER OR BECAUSE WE CAN HEAR A MOMENT, THEY TALK SLOWER, WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THE WORDS ARE GETTING MUFFLED TOGETHER BECAUSE THE BANDWIDTH ISN'T KEEPING UP WITH THEIR LANGUAGE.
SO WHAT WE FIND IS THE REVERSE.
CAN YOU HEAR US CLEARLY? YES, SIR.
IT'S NOT VERY BRIGHT PEOPLE AND SPEAK TO US.
COORDINATE ALL WILL BE WELL GOD'S CHANGED OR TIDE TYPE IT OUT.
[12. RECOMMEND FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE FOR APPROVAL OF A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT/REZONING REQUEST FOR 11.66 ACRES (R600 009 000 0030 0000) AT 100 RAWSTROM DRIVE FROM T2 RURAL TO T2 RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD]
TO NUMBER 12, WHICH IS A FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE FOR APPROVAL OF A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT REQUESTS FOR 11.6, SIX ACRES AT 100 ROSTER RESTROOM, SIGN THAT RIGHT DRIVE FROM T TO RURAL TO TEACH TO RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD.AND THIS IS THE ONE THAT YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT THAT MS. WHITE SPOKE ABOUT.
I WILL SAY AT THE OUTSET THAT I'M THE PERSON WHO REPRESENTS THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND HE SAID THAT HE WAS REQUESTING THIS ITEM BE TABLED.
SO, UM, WHICH 11 IS NO LONGER ON THE AGENDA? WE'RE AT ITEM NUMBER 12.
WE AMENDED THE AGENDA AT THE BEGINNING.
SO HE IS REQUESTING POSTPONEMENT OF NUMBER 12.
AND WE HAVE DONE THAT IN THE PAST, CORRECT? SURE.
DO WE NEED A MOTION TO DO THAT? WELL, WE WOULD NEED A MOTION.
WE HAVE A MOTION, THE MOTION TO TABLE.
CERTAIN IF IT'S TABLED, IT JUST SITS THERE UNTIL RIGHT.
AND, UH, THE PERSON HERE, IF YOU WISH TO HAVE SOME CLARITY OR ELSE, WELL, YOU WANT TO TABLE IT OR POSTPONEMENT.
I JUST WANT TO, I'M PROBABLY ON MY QUANTUM IS TEXTS.
UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION STILL COMING IN, UM, BECAUSE OF THE HOLIDAYS WITH THIS EXACT PROJECT, UM, THE OWNER, UH, MR. BEN KENNEDY, UH, THE LEGALITY OF THE LENGTH OF ROSTRUM THE ROAD, THE CONNECTION OF THE EIGHT PEOPLE THAT LIVE OFF OF THIS ROAD THAT HE OWNS.
UM, ALSO THE FACT OF WHAT CAN ACTUALLY BE DONE ON THE PROPERTY.
AND WE'D LIKE TO GET WITH THE OWNERS, UH, PERSONALLY AND, AND, AND CHAT AND TALK TO THEM BEFORE, UH, FURTHER IN PRESENTING THE CASE.
SO WE WOULD LIKE ANOTHER 30 DAYS EXTENSION OR HOWEVER THAT WOULD BE TO FINALIZE OUR ANALYSIS POSSIBLE.
I'M LOOKING THROUGH OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR OF ATTORNEY.
DO WE WANT TO WORD IT AS A POSTPONEMENT OR TITLING? MOST COMMON IS FINE.
AND YOU CAN SAY EXCEPT FOR IF I HEAR CORRECTLY.
SO THE NEXT MINUTE NATURAL RESOURCES, THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD BE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GET MORE INFORMATION AND WOULD LIKE TO SET UP AN APRIL MEETING.
MOTION TO POSTPONE TILL THE FEBRUARY MEETING.
AND I HAVE A SECOND COUNSEL RODMAN SECOND.
WITHOUT EXCEPTION, WITHOUT OBJECTION, DISCUSSION ON THAT.
THE ONLY REASON FOR POSTPONEMENT IS IF YOU TABLE, IT REQUIRES A VOTE OF THE BODY TO ACTUALLY BRING IT BACK.
AND SO IT'S, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.
SOME POSTPONEMENTS ALMOST ALWAYS WORKED BETTER, RIGHT? TABLING, YOU ARE TABLING IT TO LATER ON IN THAT AGENDA.
WHEN YOU TABLED SOMETHING, YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE IT AT A LATER TIME IN THAT AGENDA.
POSTPONE MEANS YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE IT UP AT A FUTURE POINT IN ANOTHER MEETING.
I, I MAYBE I DON'T UNDERSTAND, BUT I ACTUALLY THOUGHT
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THE TABLE WAS SOMETHING THAT IT WAS INDEFINITE WHEN IT CAME BACK, BUT IT TOOK HER VOTE OF THE BODY TO BRING IT BACK.I'M NOT SURE, BUT YOU DID THE CORRECT THING TO BRING IT BACK.
LET'S GO TO OTHER BOARDS, TRACING DENIALS.
YOU KNOW, IT'LL JUST COME BACK TO NATURAL RESOURCES.
THE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS HAVE FINISHED THEIR WORK WITH THIS.
AND LET ME, LET ME CLARIFY, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING NOW.
I THINK IS IT, IF YOU ALL WERE TO GET INFORMATION BEFORE NATURAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE THAT YOU FELT WAS SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO AFFECT THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THEIR, OF THE BOARDS, LIKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THEN YOU COULD REFER IT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A RECOMMENDATION BEFORE THE NATURAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE TOOK ACTION ON.
WELL, THAT MAY CAUSE A MATERIAL CHANGE TO THEIR POTENTIAL, WHY THEY COME BACK TO US BECAUSE, UM, THE, THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION HAS ALREADY MADE THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE STATUTE REQUIRES THEM TO DO IS MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
IF YOU ALL WANT THEM TO CONSIDER ADDITIONAL THINGS BASED ON THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION PRESENTED, THEN YOU WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO REMAND IT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR AN ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATION.
THIS IS DISTANCE Y UM, THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR THOSE THAT MAY BE LISTENING AND IN THE ROOM HERE, THIS IS WHY IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE APPLICANT.
AND INSTEAD OF RUSH AND NEON TO GIVE A REZONING APPLICATION, TO MEET SOME CONTRACTUAL DEADLINE FOR REAL ESTATE PLUSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT THEY WAIT UNTIL THEY GET ALL THEIR INFORMATION TOGETHER AND GIVE US THE COMPLETE PACKAGE THAT THEY WANT COUNTY COUNSEL TO CONSIDER.
THIS IS A SECOND ONE TODAY WHERE STAFF, UH, RECEIVED AN APPLICATION AND THE APPLICANT STARTED SENDING US ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AFTER THEY SUBMITTED THEIR APPLICATION.
STAFF HAS NO ABILITY TO LEGALLY DENY SOMEONE MOVING FORWARD, THEIR REZONING APPLICATION.
ONCE THEY'VE CHECKED ALL THE BOXES, WE HAVE TO PROCESS IT AND BRING IT BEFORE YOU ALL, YOU ALL CAN EITHER DEFER IT ON YOUR OWN OR GRANT OR REQUEST FOR DEFERRAL BY THE APPLICANT.
BUT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE WHO SUBMIT REZONING APPLICATIONS TO THE STAFF SUBMIT THE COMPLETE PACKAGE WITH EVERYTHING IN IT BEFORE THEY START GETTING IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS PROCESS, IF THEY DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION, THEN THEY SHOULD SUBMIT THE REZONING.
THE FIRST TWO STEPS FIRST, YOU CERTAINLY DEALING WITH.
AND WE, WE, AS STAFF CAN LOOK AT THAT INFORMATION ONCE WE GET IT AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO NATURAL RESOURCES AT THE NEXT MEETING AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE THINK THAT YOU ALL SHOULD REMAND IT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE'LL BE GLAD TO DO THAT.
ALL RIGHT, WE ARE UP TO, UM, NUMBER
[13. RECOMMENDATION OF FIRST READING FOR AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTS TO CONVEY A PORTION OF PROPERTY OWNED BY BEAUFORT COUNTY WITH TMS NO. R200 010 000 0170 0000]
13, WHICH IS RECOMMENDATION OF A FIRST READING FOR AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTS, TO CONVEY A PORTION OF PROPERTY OWNED BY BUFORD COUNTY.THIS IS GOING TO BE PRESENTED BY MS. WARD AND MS. AND, UM, LIKE WE HAVE, THIS IS A REAL ESTATE ACTION.
SO I'D JUST LIKE TO REMIND COUNCIL THAT THIS WILL NEED A TWO THIRDS VOTE.
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SARAH'S GOING TO PULL UP THE, UM, THE SLIDE TO HELP ILLUSTRATE THE ISSUE.UM, WHILE SHE'S DOING THAT THOUGH, I CAN GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND INFORMATION, UH, AT THE TIME OF ACQUISITION, THE PINE PINE VIEW PROPERTY ON LADY'S ISLAND AND THE ADJACENT VACANT PRIVATE RESIDENCE, UH, WERE SHARING AN ENTRY ACCESS DRIVE.
UM, WHEN I, UH, WHEN I FIRST STARTED LOOKING AT THIS PROPERTY, I THOUGHT THAT THAT DRIVEWAY WAS SHARED.
I THOUGHT THE, UM, PARCEL LINE WAS IN THE MIDDLE, BUT AFTER WE RELOOKED AT THE SURVEY, WE REALIZED THE DRIVEWAY IS FULLY ON THE COUNTY PROPERTY AND THE PREVIOUS LANDOWNER, UH, TO PINED YOU AND THE VACANT, UM, RESIDENT, THE RESIDENTS THAT WAS VACANT AT THE TIME, WE'RE ACTUALLY SHARING THAT DRIVE.
SO THE PREVIOUS LANDOWNER WAS ALLOWING THAT PERSON TO UTILIZE THAT DRIVEWAY.
SO THE YELLOW SECTION THAT IS OUTLINED IS ROUGHLY WHERE THAT DRIVEWAY IS.
UM, THERE IS APPROXIMATELY A 50 FOOT, UH, ACCESS RIGHT THERE, UH, BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE, IN THE YELLOW LINE.
SO DURING THE PINE VIEW, PRESERVE CENTRAL PLAN PROCESS, OUR CONSULTANTS, AND I AGREED THAT THE NEW DRIVEWAY IN ORDER TO, TO REDUCE ANY PUBLIC AND PRIVATE USER CONFLICTS WITH THE PUBLIC COMING INTO THAT DRIVE AND THE PRIVATE RESIDENCE, WHOEVER THAT PERSON MIGHT BE, UM, UTILIZING IT FOR THEIR HOME IN ORDER TO AVOID CONFLICT THERE AND THE POTENTIAL FOR THE PUBLIC TO, TO POSSIBLY PARK ON THEIR LAWN.
UM, IF THE PARKING LOT GOT OVERFLOWED, WE WANTED TO MOVE THE DRIVEWAY FOR THE PUBLIC ACCESS UP TO WHERE IT'S ALIGNED ACROSS THE STREET FROM, I BELIEVE THAT'S JOHN CALHOUN ROAD MIGHT BE ROAD OR STREET.
SO OUR CONCEPTUAL PLAN SHOWS THAT YOU ALL WERE PRESENTED WITH THAT CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
I BELIEVE IN DECEMBER WHEN THE T1 NP DOWN ZONINGS CAME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION, THE NEW OWNER OF THAT HOUSE CAME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND ASKED TO HAVE A MEETING WITH ME AND BRITTANY AND MR. MERCHANT TO DISCUSS THE USE OF THAT DRIVEWAY BECAUSE SHE WAS WANTING TO IMPROVE IT.
CAUSE THE FRONT ENTRANCE OF IT IS A LITTLE BUMPY.
UM, SO AFTER WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH HER, UM, WE REALIZED THAT IT MIGHT BE IN THE BEST INTEREST TO JUST SELL HER THAT DRIVEWAY.
SINCE WE WERE GOING TO RELOCATE OURS, A QUESTION THOUGH CAME UP WAS, WOULD, BE OKAY WITH THAT SCENARIO WITH THOSE TWO DRIVEWAYS BEING RELATIVELY CLOSE TOGETHER, I DID GET CONFIRMATION FROM SED, OT DOING, DOING A PRELIMINARY REVIEW OF KIND OF YOU CONCEPTUAL PLAN, THAT THEY ARE FINE WITH OUR DRIVEWAY FOR PUBLIC ACCESS AND COMMERCIAL USE BEING ACROSS THE STREET AND ALIGNED WITH JOHN CALHOUN.
HOWEVER, THEIR CONDITION WAS, YOU COULDN'T HAVE TWO DRIVEWAYS ON THE SAME PARCEL.
SO THEY SAID THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE THE SOUTHERLY DRIVEWAY.
I CALLED THEM AND EXPLAINED THE SITUATION AND SAID, IF WE SOLD THAT DRIVEWAY TO THE NEIGHBOR, AS SHE HAD REQUESTED, WOULD THAT BE OKAY? WOULD THEY STILL BE ABLE TO RETAIN PRIVATE RESIDENCE? AND THEY SAID, YES, AS LONG AS IT WASN'T, UM, TWO COMMERCIAL DRIVEWAYS.
SO THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU, THE RECOMMENDATION FOR ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU TODAY IS TO SELL THAT AREA OF DRIVEWAY TO THE ADJACENT NEIGHBOR, WHICH WOULD THEN CHANGE OUR BOUNDARY LINE TO NOT INCLUDE THAT.
AND THEN SHE CAN APPROPRIATELY FENCING GATE IT AS NECESSARY FOR A PRIVATE RESIDENCE.
AND IT WOULD ALIGN UP WITH HER BACK CORNER, 50 FEET IN, FROM OUR PROPERTY LINE DOWN TO SAM'S POINT ROAD.
UM, AND THEN GIVE HER THAT, THAT AMOUNT WE DID PAY FOR THIS PROPERTY, THE ORDINANCE, I BELIEVE I STATE THAT, YES, WE DID PAY $27,613 AND 5 CENTS PER ACRE FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
AND THEY HAVE AGREED TO PAY THAT AMOUNT PER ACRE BASIS.
IT'S GOING TO BE MUCH LESS ANCHOR OF LAND, BUT THEY DID AGREE TO PAY THAT AMOUNT, UM, TO REIMBURSE THE PROGRAM FOR THE AMOUNT THAT WE'RE SELLING.
UM, WE WILL GET A OFFICIAL SURVEY THAT WILL DESIGNATE THE AREA AND HOW MUCH THAT AMOUNT, AMOUNT OF ACREAGE IS, AND THEN ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT, A PURCHASE AGREEMENT AT THE, AT
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THE TIME AFTER WE GET THE SURVEY.MS. WARD, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? OKAY.
LET'S OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS BEFORE WE HAVE EMOTION OF SOME KIND OF WHAT'S THE ESTIMATED, UM, UH, ACREAGE YOU CONSIDERING AT THIS TIME, ROUGHLY A 10TH.
YEAH, WE ESTIMATED JUST ON GIS CONFIGURES AND LOOK AT, UM, OLDER SURVEYS.
WE ARE LOOKING AT 10 TO TWO TENTHS OF AN ACRE.
WE'RE NOT TALKING TO 10 TO 2 10, 7 ACRE.
I THINK, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT.
IT WAS LIKE A 10TH OF AN ACRE.
IT'S ROUGHLY A 10TH OF AN ACRE YEAH.
SO BETWEEN ONE AND TWO 10TH, SOMEWHERE IN THERE, I DON'T KNOW FOR CERTAIN UNTIL WE HAVE IT SURVEYED, BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY ON THE SURVEY UNTIL WE KNEW THAT THE COMMITTEE WAS AT LEAST COMFORTABLE WITH PURSUING THOSE 50 FEET.
I JUST DON'T KNOW THE EXACT LANGUAGE.
UM, IS THIS THE ONLY ACCESS TO HER? THE PERSON'S HOUSE TO ON TOP? SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, ANYBODY ONLINE HAVE QUESTIONS? OKAY.
WE NEED TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION MOTION BY COUNCILMAN SOMERVILLE.
THE SECOND COUNCILMAN RODMAN RODMAN, WITHOUT OBJECTION.
THIS WILL MOVE FORWARD TO A FULL COUNCIL OR JUST A QUESTION.
YOU WILL YOU WAIT TILL IT GOES TO FULL COUNCIL BEFORE YOU DO THE SURVEY.
SO I BELIEVE STEPHANIE HAS BEEN IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SURVEYOR, BUT IT IS BEING ON HOLD UNTIL WE GET, UM, FINAL APPROVAL.
[14. DISCUSSION OF STORMWATER UTILITY FEES AND INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENTS]
THE NEXT ONE IS DISCUSSION.THIS ONE DOES NOT TAKE EMOTION, JUST DISCUSSION OF STORMWATER UTILITY FEES AND INTER-GOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENTS.
UM, MR. , MS. WARD ARE GONNA PRESENT THAT THIS IS FOR INFORMATION ONLY, CORRECT.
UM, THIS ITEM HERE JUST FOR DISCUSSION ONLY, AND IT'S THE CART IGS THAT WE HAVE IN PARTICULAR WITH THE CITY OF BUFORD, AS WELL AS THE COUNT OF PORT ROW, AS IT PERTAINS TO THE STORM WATER UTILITY, UH, LOOKING AT, UH, PER BOTH OF THOSE MUNICIPALITIES REQUESTS ABOUT NOT PURSUING DELINQUENT FEES FOR THE MILITARY AND DILUTE INSTANT, INSTANT, INSTANT INSTALLATIONS AND MILITARY PROPERTIES.
WE WERE LOOKING TO AMEND THE IGS, UH, WHILE WE WERE LOOKING TO AMEND THAT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING TO DO SOME CLARIFICATION AND SOME CLEANUP AND WHATNOT, AND ALSO ADD SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT THE NEW MS. FOUR PERMIT.
WE HAVE QUESTIONS, RIGHT, RIGHT.
UM, YES, COUNSELOR, I UNDERSTAND THE DELINQUENT FEES.
WE WOULD STILL BE PURSUING THE CURRENT FEES GOING OR GOING FORWARD BASIS FROM THE MILITARY INSTALLATIONS.
MIKE, I'VE GOT THE RIGHT SUBJECT MATTER HERE.
THAT'S WHY I MIGHT NOT GO WELL.
UH, SO, UH, AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE'VE BEEN, UH, WORKING, UH, SORRY.
I THINK I JUST TURNED MY MIC OFF HERE.
SO AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS ISSUE FOR SOME TIME.
UH, AND WE ARE TRYING TO GET A DISCUSSION WITH OUR PARTNERS, UH, AT THE AIR STATION AND, UM, PARIS ISLAND.
SO IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THEY DO NOT WANT TO PURSUE ANYTHING IF WE HAVE THE THREAT OF DEALING WITH ATTORNEYS ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.
SO I HAVE SUSPENDED OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ATTORNEYS IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH OUR MILITARY PARTNERS.
UH, I THINK ONCE WE GET IN A ROOM TOGETHER, I THINK THE AIR STATION PARIS ON, AND I CAN BRING A PROPOSAL BACK TO YOU ALL THAT WILL BE EQUITABLE AND EVERYONE HAS BENEFIT, BUT WE CANNOT DO THAT AS LONG AS THERE'S A POTENTIAL LEGAL ACTION LOOMING OVER EVERYONE'S HEAD.
SO I HAVE SUSPENDED THAT RELATIONSHIP.
IF WE CANNOT COME TO A RESOLUTION, YOU ALL AS COUNTY COUNSEL CAN TELL ME TO PICK IT UP, BACK UP AGAIN WITH THE, UH, WITH THE OUTSIDE LEGAL COUNSEL.
AND WE'LL BE GLAD TO DO THAT, BUT I'VE TEMPORARILY HALTED THAT, THAT ACTION.
IT COULD BE PICKED UP AGAIN WITH THE DELINQUENT FEES A B OKAY.
ANYONE ONLINE HAVE SOME COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ANYONE HERE AT CALSPAN GLOVER? NO, NO, NO, NO.
I JUST WANTED Y'ALL TO BE AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON AND I, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, JUST SO COUNSELED, WE'VE HAD BOTH OF THE MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE THESE PROPERTIES INSIDE THEIR JURISDICTION HAVE TOLD US THAT THEY DID NOT WANT US TO PURSUE ANY FEES, UH, CURRENT OR DELINQUENT.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE ONES TO GET THE FEES
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UP ANYWAY, SINCE IT'S IN THEIR JURISDICTION.SO, YEAH, AS I KIND OF REMEMBER, AND IT'S BEEN A WHILE, OF COURSE, THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE PAYING MOST OF THE LEGAL COSTS AND MOST OF THE BENEFIT WAS GOING TO GO TO THE TWO MINUTES OF POWER.
IS THAT CORRECT? YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.
YOU REMEMBER CORRECTLY? SO ANYWAY, UM, MR. GREENWAY, MAYOR MURRAY HAS THIS, SIR, THIS IS PROBABLY ONE THING THAT MAYOR MARIA AND I WILL VERY MUCH THANK YOU FOR INDULGING ME AND GIVING ME A POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE.
I KNOW IT'S NOT PUBLIC COMMON TIME, UH, BUT THIS ISSUE IS SOMETHING I'M PRETTY PASSIONATE ABOUT.
UH, GOING BACK BEFORE I WAS MAYOR, WHEN I WAS A COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, WE GOT WORD THAT THE COUNTY ON BEHALF OF THE CITY AND THE TOWN OF PORT ROLL HAD ENGAGED A OUT-OF-STATE LAW FIRM, UH, TO SEE, UH, MUNICIPAL STORMWATER FEES.
AND WHILE I'M APPRECIATIVE THAT YOU ACTED ON THE CITY'S BEHALF, UM, WE WEREN'T AWARE THAT YOU WERE TAKING THAT ACTION.
AND WE'RE A BIT SURPRISED, UH, THAT THE FIRST COURSE OF ACTION WAS TO HIRE LAWYERS AND TO THREATEN OUR PARTNERS AT DOD WHO PROVIDE OVER $2 BILLION WORTH OF ECONOMIC IMPACT FOR US ANNUALLY, WITHOUT MAYBE GOING DOWN AND SITTING DOWN AND HAVING A, A CONVERSATION WITH THEM.
UH, WE'VE BEEN IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH DOD AND LOCAL BASE OFFICIALS.
UH, AND I THINK MR. GREENWAY HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD.
IT'S HARD FOR US TO GO HAVE A, A CIVIL CONVERSATION WITH FOLKS.
WHEN, WHAT I'M TOLD, WE'VE SPENT SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN OUT OF STATE LAWYERS WITH PUBLIC MONEY, UH, ON SOMETHING WHERE I THINK GOOD NEIGHBORS GO AND WORK WITH EACH OTHER.
SO I'M HAPPY TO HEAR THAT YOU HAVE A WITHDRAWN, THE LAWYERS.
UH, I'M HAPPY TO HEAR THAT YOU'RE TAKING THIS ISSUE UP.
I JUST FOUND OUT THIS WAS ON THE AGENDA ABOUT TWO HOURS AGO, UH, FROM MY LETTER THAT I WROTE YOU ALMOST A YEAR AGO NOW.
UM, SO I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT WE'RE MAKING SOME PROGRESS.
WE DON'T, THE CITY IS NOT SAYING WE'RE CLOSING THE DOOR COMPLETELY TO THIS.
UM, BUT WE WOULD LOVE TO SIT DOWN WITH THE COUNTY, WITH THE FOLKS AT DOD, WITH THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL, UH, TO SEE IF THERE IS SOME AGREEMENT, BECAUSE WE'RE TOLD, UH, THAT OTHER COMMUNITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO AMICABLY REACH AGREEMENTS ON THESE TYPES OF STRUCTURES AND FUNDING SOURCES.
AND SO, UH, WOULD WELCOME, UH, CONTINUED CONVERSATION.
UH, FOR THE PUBLIC'S INFORMATION, THERE'S TWO LETTERS IN THE PACKET TODAY.
ONE FROM THE CITY OF BUFORD AND ONE FROM A TOWN OF PORT ROYAL TOWN OF PORT ROYAL IS, UM, SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW, HAS ANNEXED THE NAVAL HOSPITAL AND PARRIS ISLAND CITY BUFORD HAS ANNEXED, UH, THE AIR STATION, THE ONLY PROPERTY IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS, THAT'S DEPARTMENT DEFENSE IS LAUREL BAY, UH, WHICH IS IN THE UNINCORPORATED PART OF THE COUNTY.
THAT'S JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S INFORMATION.
IF ANYONE CARES TO LOOK AT THAT, ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YES.
ONE COMMENT I'VE ALWAYS TENDED TO BE OPPOSED TO THIS, BUT ONE OF MY CONCERNS AND MAYBE IT'S UNFOUNDED, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME, IF WE WERE, IF I THINK ABOUT PARIS ISLAND AND WE WERE GETTING FEES FROM THEM FOR STORM WATER, THEY MIGHT TURN AROUND AND SAY, WELL, NOW THAT YOU'RE GETTING THE FEES, HEY, WE'VE GOT $50 MILLION IN STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS AND THEY'RE YOURS.
AND I THINK THAT'S AN EXPOSURE FOR US.
AND THEN WHEN I, WHEN I USE THE WORD TEMPORARILY, THAT'S NOT THE CORRECT WORD.
UM, I HAVE SUSPENDED THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE, WITH THE ATTORNEYS, UH, AT THIS POINT, UM, CAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T, I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND TO YOU ALL THAT.
WE EVER PICK THAT BACK UP, REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS HERE TO YOUR POINT.
AND SECONDLY, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, THE PARIS ALLEN AND THE AIR STATION, THEY SPEND A BUNCH OF MONEY EVERY YEAR DOING THEIR OWN MPDS PHASE TWO STUFF ON THEIR PROPERTY, PROBABLY MORE, THEY'RE PROBABLY HAVE A HIGHER THRESHOLD, UH, FOR THEIR BASES AND THINGS, GIVEN THE TYPE OF MATERIALS THAT ARE STORED ON THE SITE THAN WE WOULD FOR ANY COUNTY PROPERTY OR ANY, ANY OF OUR, OF OUR, UH, STORM WATER FACILITY.
WHY IS THERE ANY GOOD REASON WHY WE SHOULDN'T JUST KILL THIS THING NOW? I DON'T HEAR ANYBODY THAT'S TALKING IN FAVOR OF IT.
I MEAN, YOU CAN KILL IT IF YOU WANT TO, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO KILL IT, WE'LL MAKE A MOTION TO KILL IT.
AND WE'LL PUT THE APPROPRIATE DOCUMENT ON YOUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING TO, UH, HOW THE FULL COUNCIL DOESN'T MEAN THE AIR STATION AND PARIS HOLLAND FOLKS AT THE MAYORS OF PORT ROYAL AND CDB FOR, AND THE CHAMBER, UH, CITY CHAMBER.
THEY WOULD LOVE TO HEAR US DO THAT.
SO I WOULD APPLAUD YOU IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT.
I GUESS I WONDER IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT REALLY THINKS WE SHOULD CONTINUE THIS IN.
I CAN ALSO SPEAK FOR THE STORM WATER BOARD.
SO MR. ROBIN, JUST TO ADD TO THAT, WELL, OUR GOAL TODAY WAS FOR INFORMATION ONLY, AND THE GOAL IS TO BRING BACK THE IGA, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, BUT THE NEXT STEP IS TO BRING IT TO THE UTILITY BOARD, WHICH IS ON A WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON.
AND THEN FROM THERE WE GO THROUGH THE FORUMS, JUST WANTING TO GET KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKGROUND IN THE IT'S TIME TO KILL IT, BUT DO IT IN A LOGICAL FASHION.
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WE HAVE SOME, UH, APPOINTMENTS AND, UM, CAN WE CONSOLIDATE THESE IN ONE MOTION? OKAY.I'M GOING TO READ THEM OUT LOUD AND THEN I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, MR. PATTERSON'S ONLINE.
FIRST ONE, WE'RE GOING TO DO, I'M GOING TO READ THEM AND THEN WE'LL MAKE A MOTION.
SOMEONE WILL THE APPOINTMENT OF ED PAPPAS TO THE BEAVER COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A THREE-YEAR TERM WHERE THE EXPIRATION DATE OF 2025 APPOINTMENT OF DANIEL RYEDALE TO THE BEAVER COUNTY PLANNING FOR A PARTIAL TERM WAS AN EXPIRATION DATE OF 2023.
AND WE HAVE WHO HE'S REPLACING HERE TO, UM, MR. HANCHER WOULD YOU LIKE TO RECOGNIZE HIM, MR. HANCHER? OH, YES, OF COURSE.
JASON HAS SERVED FAITHFULLY ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR SEVEN YEARS BEFORE HE WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL WHEN HE JOINED THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND HE CAN SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW, BUT, UH, AND HE HAS SPOKEN TO ME PRIVATELY SOME TIME AGO AND SAID HE WOULD FAITHFULLY SERVE UNTIL WE COULD FIND A REPLACEMENT.
AND THIS IS FOR THE LADIES ISLAND SLOT ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND, UM, MR. RADELL HAS GRACIOUSLY AGREED AND HE'S BEEN INTERVIEWED BY JASON AS WELL AS BY IT PAPPAS THE CHAIRMAN.
AND, UH, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO APPROVING HIM TODAY, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE.
AND, UH, WE WON'T DO THE NEXT TIME LAST YEAR PERMISSION TO BRING YOU BACK.
WE'LL JUST AUTOMATICALLY VOTE YOU IN WITHOUT YOUR PERMISSION AND CONSENT.
WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU, THAT'S A HARD JOB.
YOU HAVE ANOTHER, SO FAMILY CHILDREN BUSINESS.
CONTINUING WITH THE THREE APPOINTMENT OF JAMES ATKINS AND JOHN MICHAEL BROUGHT TO THE BEAVER COUNTY, UH, DESIGN REVIEW BOARD FOR A THIRD TERM, THE EXPIRATION DATE OF 2026, A REAPPOINTMENT OF CHERYL STEELE TO BE FOR COUNTY HISTORIC PRESERVATION REVIEW BOARD FOR A SECOND TERM, WITH AN EXPIRATION DATE OF 2026 AND APPOINTMENT OF EILEEN LOVELOCK TO THE BUFORD COUNTY DESIGN REVIEW BOARD FOR FIRST TERM, WITH AN EXPIRATION DATE OF 20, 26.
I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, THESE APPOINTMENTS AND REAPPOINTMENTS OKAY.
DO I HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION WITHOUT OBJECTION, THESE PEOPLE ARE REAPPOINTED OR APPOINTED TO THEIR POSITIONS.
[EXECUTIVE SESSION]
A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.WE DO NOT THINK THERE WILL BE ANY LEAD PROMOTION COMING OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSIONS.
UM, I COULD BE WRONG ABOUT THAT THEN YOU'RE NOT THINKING, SO I'LL JUST, OKAY.
I, WE GET A SECOND FOR THE MOTIONS, COUNSEL AND GLOVER WITHOUT OBJECTION.
WE'LL GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
NO NATURAL RESOURCE COMMITTEE IS ADJOURNED.