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CLOSED CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY BEAVER COUNTY.
I'D LIKE TO CALL THE JANUARY 26TH MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON TARTAR.
MICHELLE RONALD WILLIAMS. AND SHE NEVER REACHED OUT BETH UDS.
CHARLIE, WHAT? MOM? SHE GOT KATHLEEN DUSTBIN HERE.
COMMISSIONER JASON STEWART HERE.
UH, SO WE DO HAVE ONE COMMISSIONER WHO UNFORTUNATELY, UM, NOT BEING ABLE TO MAKE IT HERE, HOWEVER HE IS, UM, ON SOON.
SO WE HAVE THAT ON, WE HAVE OUR SCREEN SHARE.
SO EVERYTHING THAT YOU GUYS ARE SEEING, HE'S GOING TO SEE.
UM, SO, UH, AND IF YOU DO REMEMBER THAT TOWN COUNCIL DID PASS AN ORDINANCE THAT DOES ALLOW FOR THE ELECTRONIC, UH, FOR ELECTRONIC MEETINGS AND THAT ANY COMMISSIONERS OR COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, CAN BE ELECTRONIC AND STILL BE CONSIDERED PRESENCE.
UM, FIRST LET ME START WITH THE NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL NOT HEAR NEW ITEMS AFTER 9:30 PM UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS, PRESENT ITEMS, WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD BEFORE NINE 30 MAY BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OR AN ADDITIONAL MEETING DATE AS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS NOTICE REGARDING PUBLIC COMMENTS, EVERY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO IS RECOGNIZED TO SPEAK.
AND IN SPEAKING, AVOID DISRESPECT TO THE BOARD OR COMMISSION IN THIS CASE, TOWN, STAFF, AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE MEETING, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
WHEN SPEAKING FOR THE RECORD AND COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES MAXIMUM.
UM, AND NOW MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA? I MAY HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OPPOSED.
UM, NOW FOR THE MINUTES, UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT SETS OF MINUTES THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO ADOPT.
I CAN GO AHEAD AND TAKE THIS AS ONE COLLECTIVE, UNLESS SOMEBODY WANTS TO PULL THEM OUT OR DO WE HAVE TO GO ONE BY ONE? UM, IF WE COULD JUST GET A MOTION FOR EACH ONE OF THEM AND, AND WHEN YOU GET TO THE NOVEMBER 10TH, UH, WHICH WOULD BE NUMBER THREE, I DO HAVE A CORRECTION, WHICH EVERYONE HAS A COPY IN FRONT OF YOU.
UM, SO ON PAGE TWO IS KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED.
UH, SO IT'S JUST SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WAS ADDED.
SO YOU CAN, YOU COULD EVEN VOTE JUST AS, UM, AS PROVIDED UPDATED AND IT'S OKAY.
UH, MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE OCTOBER 27TH, 2021 MINUTES.
MAY I HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE NOVEMBER 1ST? 2021 MEETING MINUTES.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE NOVEMBER 10TH, 20, 21 MINUTES WITH THE AMENDMENT PROVIDED BY STAFF.
ANY DISCUSSION? UM, KEVIN, YOU ARE, YOU'RE SAYING IT'S ON PAGE TWO HERE.
I'M NOT SEEING EXACTLY WHAT WE CHANGE THE THIRD PARAGRAPH UP FROM THE BOTTOM SECTION 2.3 GUIDING PRINCIPLES FOR PERFECT.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.
AND FINALLY, MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE NOVEMBER 17TH, 20, 21 MINUTES.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS SEEING AS THERE ARE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS? UM, THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA UNDER OLD BUSINESS,
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NEW RIVER SIDE VILLAGE COMMERCIAL CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HCO, OR REQUEST BY NARROWER ASSOCIATES INC.ON BEHALF OF THE OWNERS, AVTEX PARTNERS 33 LLC, LLC, FOR APPROVAL OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY, AND THE PROJECT CONSISTS OF BUILDINGS, B C, D, AND E WITHIN THE COMMERCIAL VILLAGE PORTION OF THE NEWER SIDE VILLAGE MASTER PLAN, ALONG WITH ASSOCIATED LANDSCAPING AND LIGHTING, THE PROPERTY IS ZONE NEW RIVERSIDE PUD, AND A D IDENTIFIED BY TAX MAP NUMBER ARE 6, 10 0 3, 6 0 0 12 58.
LOCATED SOUTH OF THE MAY RIVER ROAD, EAST OF NEW RIVERSIDE ROAD AND US HIGHWAY ONE 70 TRAFFIC CIRCLE.
I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS WHERE THAT IS NOW.
UM, SO THIS IS A, THIS IS A FOLLOW-UP TO A PREVIOUS MEETING THAT WE HAD, UH, UH, REGARDING THE NEWER SIDE VILLAGE, UM, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
SO I'VE GOT A LOT OF SLIDES HERE, BUT I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THESE REALLY QUICKLY TO GET TO THE, TO THE INFORMATION THAT WE WERE REALLY HERE TO DISCUSS.
SO, UH, JUST FROM A PROJECT LOCATION, UM, AS YOU'D STATED US ON NUMEROUS RIVERSIDE ROAD, MAY RIVER ROAD, UH, FROM THE MASTER PLAN, WE'VE KIND OF REORIENTED THE MASTER PLAN HERE.
UH, WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED THE AREA OF THE BUILDINGS THAT, THAT ARE IN DISCUSSION.
UH, AGAIN, THIS WAS JUST A SUPER-IMPOSED IMAGE JUST TO SHOW YOU APPROXIMATE LOCATION.
UH, HERE'S THE SITE PLAN WITH THE FOUR BUILDINGS FOR DISCUSSION, UH, FROM AN ORIENTATION STANDPOINT, THIS IS TO JUST TO GIVE YOU THE KEY FOR, UH, NORTH, UH, MAY RIVER ROAD AND THEN TO THE WEST, UH, NEW RIVERSIDE ROAD.
UH, THE FIRST BUILDING IS BUILDING B THAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT.
UH, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT A PLANNING COMMISSION HAD WAS DEALING WITH, UM, THE HVA SYSTEM AND THE LOCATION OF THEM, UM, FOR THE ROOF PLAN.
SO THAT WAS PROVIDED, UM, THIS IS THE SIDE, UM, THAT'S FACING BUILDING C SO THE SOUTH SIDE, UM, AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IS YOU CAN SEE THE ORIGINAL, UM, THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED AND THEN THE UPDATED PLAN, WHAT I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA RUN THROUGH THESE REALLY QUICKLY.
AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF GO BACK AND TALK ABOUT THEM.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS THE ARCHITECT IS HERE.
UM, SO THAT WAY, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT SPECIFIC ITEMS, THEN WE CAN KIND OF GET INTO THEM IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
UM, SO THEY'VE, THEY'VE CHANGED SOME OF THE FACADE DETAILS.
UM, THIS IS FACING NORTH, WHICH IS FACING TOWARDS MAY RIVER ROAD.
UH, AGAIN, SIMPLIFYING A LOT OF THE, THE WINDOWS DOORS, UM, AS WELL AS, UM, ACCENTUATING THE EAVES ON, UM, ON SOME OF THE OVERHANGS HERE.
UH, SAME THING THE EAVES HAVE BEEN, UH, SHOWN, SIMPLIFYING THE, UH, THE AMOUNT OF WINDOWS HERE, STILL WITH THE BUILDING B AGAIN, SIMPLIFYING THE DESIGN FOR BUILDING C UH, REALLY NOT TOO MUCH HAD CHANGED WITH THIS BUILDING.
AND I THINK THERE WAS A REALLY BIG CONCERN FROM PLANNING COMMISSION ON THIS ONE.
UM, I THINK THE ONLY TRUE DEVIATION IS MORE OF JUST A, A LINE ITEM.
UM, BUT THE PARAPET IS STILL LOCATED THERE AGAIN, THIS WAS THAT FRONT FACADE, UH, FACING THE PARK ONTO BUILDING D AND THEN BUILDING E C BUILDING E UM, SOME OF THE ITEMS INCLUDED HERE WHERE THEY REMOVED, THERE WERE THREE WINDOWS, UM, ABOVE, ABOVE THESE AREAS RIGHT HERE, THEY WERE MOVED THOSE TO SIMPLIFY IT.
AND THEN, UM, THEY WENT FROM THE, UM, THE HORIZONTAL DESIGN TO A MORE SQUARE DESIGN FOR THE WINDOWS.
AND THIS IS THE SIDE, UM, FACING THAT INTERNAL ROAD THAT COMES OFF OF NEW RIVERSIDE ROAD.
AND THIS IS THE SIDE FACING, UH, BUILDING D UNFORTUNATELY IT LOOKS LIKE SOMEHOW THE, YES, I APOLOGIZE.
I HAD SOMEHOW INADVERTENTLY HID THE SLIDES, HIDE THEM, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT D WHICH WAS THE ONE THAT HAD THE MOST QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
UM, WE HAD THE FLOOR PLAN HERE, VERY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS, UH, PREVIOUSLY SHOWN, UM, ROOF, UM, ROOF DETAIL, SHOWING THAT ALL OF THE, UM, HBA SYSTEMS, UM, ARE GOING TO BE SCREENED, UM, HERE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE DIFFERENCE IS THE, THE, THE, THE, UM, DESIGN IS VERY SIMILAR.
UH, HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT ACTUALLY, UM, CONTINUED THE MATERIAL ACROSS AS OPPOSED TO HAVING TWO SEPARATE MATERIALS WHERE IT LOOKED AS THOUGH IT WAS APPLIED, UM, PROVIDING THAT
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CONTINUATION ACTUALLY JUST, UH, HAS IT, MAKES IT MORE SIMPLIFIED? UH, SAME THING HERE, WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, WHERE THEY'VE REDUCED DOWN, UM, THE, THE WINDOWS, THE THREE SEPARATE, UM, PANELS INTO ONE, UH, FROM A CONSISTENCY PURPOSE, UH, THEY'VE SIMPLIFIED TH THIS IS THE SIDE, UM, FACING THAT INTERNAL ROAD, UH, WHICH ALSO IS FACING THE APARTMENT COMPLEX ACROSS THE STREET.UH, SAME THING WHERE THEY'VE SIMPLIFIED THE ROOF LINE, UH, IN THE MIDDLE.
UH, AGAIN, THERE WAS A CONCERN OF, UM, WE WENT FROM, UM, MULTIPLE, UM, PAIR PITS.
THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE CONSISTENT MADE, UH, SIMPLIFIED, AND THEN, UM, REDUCED SOME OF THOSE, UM, OPENINGS.
UH, THIS IS THE SIDE FACING BUILDING C OR TOWARDS THAT THE INTERNAL PARK AREA SLASH POND.
UH, SAME THING WHERE THAT ROOF LINE HAS JUST BEEN CONTINUED ON AS WELL AS THE, UM, UH, THE MATERIAL UNDER THE EAVES.
AND THEN AGAIN FOR BUILDING E WHERE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT ONE.
SO, UM, COLOR MATERIALS, I BELIEVE, WERE ALL, UH, CONSISTENT.
THERE WAS ONE CONCERN, UM, REGARDING ONE OF THEM, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE COLOR OF THE TABBY SHELL, UH, WHICH HAS BEEN UPDATED.
UM, THE OTHER ITEM THAT YOU HAD WAS DEALING WITH THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE.
SO THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURES WERE PROVIDED TO US, UH, AND THE DESIGN, THE VERY SIMPLE DESIGN, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH A B BUILDING MATERIAL THAT IS USED ON, UM, ON ALL OF THE BUILDINGS.
UH, THE NEXT ITEM WAS DEALING WITH THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
AND ACTUALLY WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS I'M GOING TO GO TO A VERSION THAT IT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO SEE.
UM, WE, THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, THE LANDSCAPING ADJACENT TO THE BUILDINGS.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT.
SEE ON SOME OF THESE PLANS, BUT AS YOU, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A SHEET OF PAPER, IT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER, UH, THE APPLICANT WAS ABLE TO, UM, GO BACK THROUGH, UM, INSTALL, UM, OR PLAN TO INSTALL, UM, PUT A CARPUS, UM, AROUND A LOT OF THE UTILITIES THAT WAS THOSE BARE UTILITIES THAT WERE, WERE VISIBLE FROM, FROM SOME OF THE SIDES, UH, INSTALLING THAT MATERIAL IN FRONT OF IT HELPS TO SCREEN IT.
UH, THERE WAS ALSO CONCERNS ON BUILDING C, WHICH IS THE BUILDING IN THE MIDDLE.
UM, IT'S JUST THAT IT WAS A STARK CONTRAST OF, UH, PARKING LOT SIDEWALK AND THEN BUILDING, UH, THEY WERE ABLE TO PULL, UM, KIND OF LIKE SEPARATE FROM THE BUILDING AND THE SIDEWALK ABOUT APPROXIMATELY FOOT, FOOT AND A HALF.
UM, AND THEN THERE'LL BE INSTALLING SOME LANDSCAPING IN THERE THAT'LL HELP TO BREAK IT UP.
THERE'S ALSO MULTIPLE LOCATIONS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT WHERE YOU CAN SEE THESE LITTLE RECTANGLES THAT ARE LOCATED HERE.
THOSE ARE ALL PLANTS OR BOXES THAT ARE MEETING THAT INTENT OF PROVIDING THAT, THAT VISUAL, UH, BREAK BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE BUILDING, UH, BOTH HARDSCAPE AS WELL AS LANDSCAPE.
UM, SO THOSE COULD BE, UH, FILLED WITH, UH, VARIOUS BUSHES AND, OR SEASONAL PLANTINGS, UH, THE LIGHTING PLAN.
I'M GOING TO KIND OF SKIM THROUGH HERE.
THERE WERE A FEW AREAS WHERE, UM, SPECIFICALLY, UH, WE HAVE SOME, SOME MACS, UM, FOOT CANDLES, UH, THEY'RE EXCEEDING IT BY LIKE 0.2.
AND THEN FOR THE WALKWAYS, UH, THERE'S JUST MINOR, UM, MINOR LEVELS THAT JUST KIND OF WENT JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOVE AS WELL AS FOR THE PARKING LOT, FOR THE MINIMUM, UH, WHICH I BELIEVE IS 0.6 AND THEY HAVE IT LISTED AS 0.5.
UH, THOSE ARE ITEMS THAT CAN EASILY BE ADJUSTED.
UM, IF, IF THIS MOVES FORWARD, UH, THAT CAN BE ONE OF THE CONDITIONS, UH, THAT WE, YOU WOULD JUST BRING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WOULD JUST MEET THE VARIOUS MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF FOOT CANDLES.
UH, THE OTHER ITEM, UM, WHICH WILL BE PART OF YOUR REVIEW IS DEALING WITH LED LIGHTING.
UH, AS YOU KNOW, WE ARE GOING OFF OF A, A CODE THAT IS WELL IT'S OVER 30 YEARS OLD, UM, AND LED LIGHTING WAS REALLY, UM, WASN'T EVEN AROUND AT THAT TIME.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE BROUGHT THIS TO YOU IN THE PAST.
UH, WE JUST ASKED THAT YOU FIND ACCEPTABLE FOR THE USE OF LED LIGHTING.
UH, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT REGULATED IN THE CODE, UM, I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL THESE REVIEW CRITERIA.
THESE WERE ALL PROVIDED, UH, IN THE STAFF REPORT.
UM, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THEM, WE CAN GO THROUGH THEM, UH, THE VARIOUS ITEMS THROUGH THE STUDIO, AS WELL AS THE NEW RIVERSIDE PUD CONCEPT PLAN IN THE MASTER PLAN.
UH, YOUR ACTIONS THIS EVENING ARE TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS OR TO DENY THE APPLICATION.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GO THROUGH SOME OF THOSE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WE HAD BACK IN OCTOBER.
UH, SO THE FIRST ONE WAS DEALING WITH THE LANDSCAPING, UH, IS THAT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN MUST BE UPDATED TO INCLUDE THAT EIGHT FOOT FOUNDATION PLANTING.
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THE SECOND ONE WAS DEALING WITH THE LIGHTING, IS THAT THE TERM DETERMINATION, UM, TO ALLOW FOR THE LED LIGHTING, UM, THE NEXT ONE WAS DEALING WITH THE FOOT CANDLES AGAIN, KIND OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IS IF YOU SO CHOOSE, YOU CAN CONDITION IT SO THAT, UM, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PLANS ARE UPDATED, UPDATED TO EITHER MEET THE MINIMUM OR GET BELOW THE MAXIMUM.UH, SOME OF THE OTHER ITEMS THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED, UH, FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT IS THE SCREENING WALL AND DUMPSTER ALL THAT INFORMATION HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.
AND I JUST WANTED TO SHOW THAT THIS WAS AN ITEM THAT YOU HAD REQUESTED TO BE ADDRESSED, AND THEY DID ADDRESS IT.
UH, THE COLOR OF THE TABBY STUCCO THAT WAS PROVIDED TO US.
UH, SOME OF THE OTHER ITEMS WAS THE ARTICULATION TO ENSURE, UM, THE CHANGES ARE DONE IN AN AUTHENTIC MANNER, UH, FROM THE FACADES OF BUILDING B.
UM, WE HAD SOME ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS DEALING WITH SCREENING AND PROVIDING THE SCREENING AND MECHANICALS.
A LOT OF THOSE HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED THROUGH THAT LANDSCAPE PLAN WHERE THEY'RE PROVIDING, UM, THE, UH, PLANT MATERIAL TO HELP, UH, SCREEN IN FRONT OF WHERE THE UTILITIES WOULD BE LOCATED, BUT STILL EASILY ACCESSIBLE FOR, UH, ANY OF THE UTILITY COMPANIES TO, TO SERVICE THEM.
AND AS WE ALWAYS PUT, UH, SIGNAGE PERMITS ARE REQUIRED SEPARATELY AND ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS, UH, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
UH, THERE WERE OTHER QUESTIONS.
THESE ARE NOT NECESSARILY, UM, ITEMS THAT ARE TIED TO A SPECIFIC CODE SECTION, BUT JUST MORE OF CONCERNS THAT PLANNING COMMISSION HAD AT THAT LAST MEETING, UH, WAS DEALING WITH THE BUILDING D THAT NEEDED THE MOST WORK.
AND I BELIEVE, UH, THAT WAS, THAT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED.
UM, THE SIMPLIFYING OF THE MASSING, UM, ONE OF THOSE ITEMS OF INTEREST, UH, THE HPAC UNITS, UH, THAT HAS BEEN SINCE BEEN PROVIDED.
UM, OTHER ITEMS INCLUDE, UH, FOR BUILDING C NOT MEETING THE INTENT OF THE FOUNDATION PLANNINGS.
UM, AND THAT, AGAIN, THAT'S BACK TO THIS ITEM ONE A HERE ABOUT THE, UM, EIGHT FOOT WIDE FOUNDATION PLANTINGS, AND THEN, UH, THE ADDITIONAL SCREENING THAT'S NECESSARY.
UM, THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHOW TREES, LIGHT POLES, UH, THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED, UH, THE ROOF PLAN FOR ALL THE BUILDINGS THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED.
UM, AND THEN THAT THERE'S A COHESIVE DESIGN.
UH, SO, UM, WITH THAT, I DO HAVE, IF YOU DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN APPROVAL, UH, THIS IS SOMEWHAT, UM, UM, JARBLED HERE, BUT, UM, IT DOES MAKE SENSE IF YOU START TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, AND THESE ARE SOME OF THE CONDITIONS, UM, THAT YOU COULD POTENTIALLY CHOOSE.
SO I'M ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, THE APPLICANT HERE IS THERE'S ARCHITECTURAL ITEMS. UH, THEY COULD, UH, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL.
CAN YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE? I JUST WANTED TO, UH, MAYBE IT WAS TWO SLIDES, THOSE THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, SO KIND OF WHAT WE WERE GOING HERE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, AS YOU'RE, AS YOU'RE BUILDING EMOTION AND YOU HAVE CONDITIONS, THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WE HAD, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT.
UM, AND INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO BACK THROUGH AND SAY, EVERY SINGLE THING, YOU CAN JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, ITEM TWO B UH, UH, YOU KNOW, AS WRITTEN BY STAFF AND THAT WAY THAT IT PICKS IT UP THE MOTION AND IT PICKS IT UP AS, UM, AS WE PROVIDE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, APPROVAL LETTER WITH CONDITIONS THAT IT WOULD BE SPECIFICALLY STATED ON THERE, THE APPLICANT.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING BEFORE WE WANT TO ENCOMPASS? WELL, UH, YOU COVERED ALL THE CHANGES IF YOU DON'T NEED TO, OR WANT TO, THAT'S FINE TOO.
I'M SHAY O'BRIEN WITH NARROW MORE ASSOCIATES OUT OF GREENVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA, AND LIVE AT 12 JENKINS AND COURT THERE IN GREENVILLE.
UM, JUST WANT TO SAY THAT BETWEEN THE LAST PLANNING COMMISSION AND TODAY WE CREATED TWO DIFFERENT REVISIONS ARE CAME DOWN HERE FOR AN EXTRA MEETING WITH STAFF, JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE WAS CLEAR ON HOW WE WERE GOING TO MOVE.
AND, UM, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE MET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE COMMENTS, THE INTENT OF THOSE WITH THE REVISIONS WE'VE JUST TURNED IN.
UM, I WANT TO SAY, JUST WANT TO START BY SAYING MR. BRYAN, THANK YOU FOR, UM, TAKING THE TIME TO ADDRESS THOSE COMMENTS WITH THE TOWN.
UM, THEY WERE NOTED AND APPRECIATED.
UM, I'VE GOT NO ISSUES WITH THE LIGHTING, AS LONG AS IT MEETS ENDS UP BEING ADDRESSED.
UM, THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M STILL STRUGGLING WITH ON THIS, UM, IS, UM, VERY SPECIFICALLY IT'S THESE POINTS WHERE YOU'RE, IT'S THE POINTS WHERE YOU'RE COMING INTO THE PROPERTY.
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LOOKING AT BUILDING D IS FACING THAT PRIMARY ENTRANCE, A PORTION OF THAT BUILDING.I CAN'T REMEMBER IF THAT'S RIGHT OR REAR HOW IT'S LABELED, UM, ON THOSE ELEVATIONS, BUT BEING THAT IT'S FACING THAT PRIMARY ENTRANCE, THE ELEVATION OF THE DRAWING TO ME, DOESN'T READ LIKE IT IS FACING REALLY ADDRESSING THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE, UM, BUILDING B BUILDING E I TAKE THAT BACK.
IT'S BUILDING E WHICH IS RIGHT UP FRONT.
SO IT'S TREATED MORE LIKE IT'S THE BACK OF HOUSE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE.
AND THIS IS, UH, UH, I THINK, UH, SO WHAT WE TRIED TO DO THERE WAS CREATE SOMETHING, TAKE THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.
WE WERE TRYING TO OVER ARTICULATE WHAT WANTED TO BE A BLANK FACADE BY THE PROGRAM.
WE WERE GETTING FROM THE VETS OPERATIONS, AND THEY HAVE A SUPPLIER THAT KIND OF, WE WORKED FROM THEIR PLAN.
SO, I MEAN, WE JUST TRIED TO ADDRESS UP WITH AS MANY OPENINGS AND AS MUCH, UM, ARTICULATION AS WE COULD ON THAT WALL.
AND WE, WE TRIED TO ADD LIKE THAT SIDE ROOF ON, OH, IT DOESN'T HELP THIS WALL, BUT WE HAD THAT TO TRY AND CREATE MORE VERTICALITY TO IT.
IF I MAY ALSO THE, AS IN THAT, THAT FIRST PLAN, THE WINDOWS WERE VERY SMALL WINDOWS.
UM, THEY'RE ABLE TO EXPAND THOSE AND ACTUALLY, UM, HAVE MORE SQUARE AS OPPOSED TO THE, THE HORIZONTAL DESIGN THAT THEY PREVIOUSLY HAD.
UH, I MEAN, ALSO, AS IT WAS REFERRING TO IS FROM A PROGRAMMING STANDPOINT OF WHAT'S BEHIND THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE DIFFERENT MATERIALS THAT CAN'T BE IN DIRECT SUNLIGHT, UM, DIFFERENT MEDICINES, FOOD ANIMALS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO LIMIT SOME OF THAT EXPOSURE.
UM, SO THAT WAY IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GOING TO DEGRADE WHATEVER THOSE MATERIALS ARE.
UM, AND I THINK, I THINK THAT YOU COULD STILL BY AND LARGE KEEP THE INTEGRITY OF THIS FACADE, BUT I THINK THAT IT'S, TO ME, IT STILL LOOKS LIKE IT'S THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, AND I DON'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THAT HAS TO BE A DOOR, BUT SOME POTENTIALLY ARCHITECTURAL ADDRESSING OF IT THAT MAKES IT FEEL LIKE IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE ADDRESSING THE STREET AND A LITTLE MORE PROMINENT AND MORE LIKE A BUILDING THAT'S ACTUALLY FACING THE STREET.
UM, I, I'M NOT GOING TO BE THE BEST PERSON TO SPEAK TO THAT BECAUSE I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT.
UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S MY SENSE ON THAT BUILDING IS THAT IT'S NOT ARCHITECTURALLY STILL, IF YOU SO CHOOSE.
UM, IF YOU, IF YOU WISH YOU CAN, UH, IF YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, UM, TO ALLOW STAFF TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT, TO, TO MAYBE LOOK AT SOME POTENTIAL ELEMENTS THAT DO GIVE IT THAT FRONT FACADE FEEL TO IT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT YOU CAN GIVE US THE AUTHORITY TO KNOWING THAT WE'RE GOING TO ADD SOME MORE TO IT, TO, TO MEET THAT INTENT.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY, UM, THERE, IN ADDITION TO THIS LOCATION AT THE OTHER, THE SECONDARY ENTRANCE WHERE BUILDING B BASICALLY DOES AN L SHAPE, AND IT OPENS UP TO THAT WHERE THAT WALL IS LOCATED, THAT'S SUPPOSED TO HIDE SOME OF THE UTILITIES, THE FACT THAT THAT BUILDING IS STILL FACING THE, THAT'S THE, BASICALLY THE BACK OF HOUSE OF THAT BUILDING.
UM, AND I THINK THE PLAN VIEW PROBABLY REFLECTS MORE OF MY COMMENTS THAN EVEN THESE ELEVATIONS, IF YOU CAN BRING UP THE SITE PLAN.
SO YOU SHOULD, THIS IS, SO THIS IS BUILDING B, SO THIS IS FACING NORTH.
SO THIS IS THE PORTION FACING THE HIGHWAY.
BOTH, BOTH IN BOTH HIGHWAYS WHERE THEY'RE INTERSECTING REALLY IS WHERE IT'S KIND OF FACE WHERE IT'S FACING.
SO, YOU KNOW, UM, THE, THE, THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE WOULD BE TOWARDS THE, UM, I'M SAYING MY, MY RIGHT HAND, UM, OF THIS PLAN HERE.
SO THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE WOULD BE OVER, OVER TOWARDS THIS WAY.
SO YOU'D BE A VIEW CORRIDOR BE IN TOWARDS HERE.
WHERE WERE YOU? I DID AN ELEVATION OF THAT GREEN SPACE ON THAT WALL THAT WE CAN LOOK AT.
CAUSE I DIDN'T SEE IT ANYWHERE.
SO THE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A TALL TABBY WALL AND THEN THE BENCHES APART, TIMBER MILL HAWN, AND AROUND THE
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TABBY WALL.AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, IT'S PRETTY HEAVY IN THAT AREA TOO.
SO THAT'LL CONTRIBUTE TO SCREENING THE SERVICE ELEMENTS.
AND WHEN WE SAY SERVICE ELEMENTS THERE, THEIR DOOR, WE'RE NOT USING JUST DOORS THAT COME IN THE BACK DOOR.
SO YOU CAN SEE HERE ARE THE, ALL OF THE DOORS FOR THE BUILDING ITSELF.
HERE'S THAT WALL THAT WE'RE REFERRING TO.
AND THEN YOU HAVE ALL OF THE PROGRAMMING IN FRONT OF THAT, AGAIN FROM THE, DURING THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS, THIS WAS, THIS, EVERY AREA WAS NEVER REALLY CONTEMPLATED AS, AS A TRUE OPEN SPACE.
UM, BUT BECAUSE OF THE DESIGN NOW, AND EVEN, EVEN BEFORE, WE WEREN'T EVEN THINKING OF IT AS FROM A PROGRAMMING STANDPOINT, BUT, UM, THEY'VE NOW ENHANCED THAT AREA TO PROVIDE ANOTHER LITTLE, UH, LITTLE AREA, UM, THAT PEOPLE COULD POTENTIALLY WITH THE BENCHES SIT THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE YOU'RE WORKING IN THAT AREA, IT GIVES YOU A SPOT TO GO, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR A BREAK TYPE DEAL.
SO, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING, UM, WITH THE TREES AND THE SHRUBS IN HERE, CAN YOU BRING UP THE MASTER PLAN, A CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN? UM, AND SO, AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S BASICALLY A AND B HAVE KIND OF BEEN COMBINED AND TURNED.
UM, MY CONCERN IS THAT YOU'VE GOT THIS TRAFFIC CIRCLE UP HERE, YOU'VE GOT A MAJOR INTERSECTION, YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE OF MAJOR ROADS AND THAT BACK OF HOUSE IS WHAT FACES THOSE TWO MAJOR ROADWAYS.
AND THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH IN BETWEEN, UM, THERE.
SO IN TERMS OF HOW IT'S, HOW IT'S ADDRESSED.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE BACK OF A BUILDING AS YOU'RE, AS YOU WERE, AS YOU WOULD BE COMING OUT OF THAT CIRCLE DOWN, IS THAT NEW RIVERSIDE? AM I TO THE WEST SIDE ROAD? NOW YOU ALSO HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT.
SO THIS ENTRANCE HERE IS CORRECT.
UM, SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO PEOPLE WILL NOT BE TURNING LEFT INTO THE SITE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE ENTERING, YOU'RE MORE LIKELY, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT BE TURNING HERE.
A FEW PEOPLE WILL TURN HERE, UM, TO ENTER THE SITE.
AND THE MAJORITY ARE JUST GOING TO BE EXITING THAT LOCATION.
I MEAN, IT WAS, AGAIN, THE INITIAL, THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN SHOWED FOR THE FIVE BUILDINGS.
UM, AND THERE WAS AN INTERPRETATION THAT ALLOWED FOR THE REDUCTION TO THE THREE BUILDINGS.
AND THEN FROM THAT CREATED THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT SPACE, UM, WHICH AGAIN, WASN'T, WASN'T PROGRAMMED IN.
UM, AND THEN JUST BECAUSE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, AGAIN, BACK OF HOUSE ITEMS, CAUSE THAT'S NOT THAT WOULDN'T FUNCTION AS IF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
UM, SO THE PROGRAMMING WITH THE, THE SCREENING WALL, UM, THE BENCHES, UM, AND LANDSCAPING KIND OF JUST REALLY MASK AND YOU WON'T EVEN, YOU WON'T EVEN SEE THAT PORTION OF THE BUILDING EXCEPT FOR WHAT WERE WE ON THE SCREEN WALL IS STRESSED OUT.
LIKE, I MEAN, I, I MEAN, I, I STILL THINK THE ELEVATION EVEN FROM, AND I THINK PART OF MY ISSUE IS THAT THERE IS RELIEF TO THIS PLAN EVEN STILL.
SO HOW YOU SEE IT IN THIS ELEVATION IS NOT REALLY HOW IT READS IN REAL LIFE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT THIS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN REAL LIFE COMING OUT OF THAT INTERSECTION.
AND SO I'VE GOT NO REAL PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THIS IS THE BACK OF HOUSE AND EVEN WITH A FIVE FOOT WALL, I'M STILL CONCERNED THAT THAT LANDSCAPING ISN'T SUPER HEAVILY PLANTED.
UM, THERE'S A LITTLE, THERE'S A FEW SAUL PALMETTOS.
THAT'LL TAKE ABOUT FIVE YEARS BEFORE THEY START LOOKING LIKE MUCH.
AND I'M JUST NOT SURE IT'S I DON'T, AND THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT THE FACT THAT IT'S A PARK OR A PARK THAT I DON'T THINK IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE USED MUCH BY PEDESTRIANS IS, IS IRRELEVANT TO THE FACT, IF IT WAS JUST EVEN A VEHICULAR, YOU THAT IMPROVED THIS, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S REALLY GOING FAR ENOUGH TO DO THAT.
SO WHAT WE COULD DO IS IF YOU, IF YOU CHOOSE, UM, WE CAN WORK ON ENHANCING THAT LANDSCAPING, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAID, THEY'VE, THEY PROVIDED,
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YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN AMOUNT.WE CAN LOOK TO CHANGE, UM, CHANGE THE TYPES, UH, YOU KNOW, OF SHRUBS THAT ARE THERE.
UM, WE CAN CHANGE AND REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE MATURE SHRUBS AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, PLANNING A THREE GALLON SHRUB, UM, VERSUS, UH, YOU KNOW, 715 SOMETHING ON THOSE NATURE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE CAN, WE CAN WORK ON.
AND THEN THAT WAY, WHILE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, ONCE THEY GET UP TO THEIR, UM, THEIR CERTIFICATE OF CONSTRUCTION COMPLIANCE, UH, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE GO OUT AND ACTUALLY INSPECT.
UM, SO IF IT'S A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, UH, IT'S NOTED ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
AND THEN WHEN WE GO OUT TO INSPECT, UM, WHERE THERE SHOULD BE A 15 GALLON SHRUB AND THEY'VE PLANTED A THREE GALLON SHRUB, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THEM RIP IT OUT AND DO IT OVER UNTIL THEY GET IT RIGHT.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, IT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BACK OF HOUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, I THINK THE WALL'S GOING TO HELP, BUT I THINK PROVIDING ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING WE'LL, WE'LL DEFINITELY MAKE IT, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO TALK OFFLINE TO IF YOU HAVE SUGGESTIONS.
UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO GO INTO PLANT SPECIES AT THIS TIME, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD, WE CAN DEFINITELY, UM, WORK WITH, UH, WORK WITH THE ENGINEER TO, TO ENHANCE THAT AREA, UM, THAT, UM, AND ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT I WAS LOOKING AT, AND ALONG THIS CORRIDOR, MORE ALONG REALLY NEW RIVERSIDE AND SPECIFICALLY, UH, BACK TO BUILDING E AND I'M SORRY, I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT IT UP WHILE WE WERE LOOKING AT BUILDING E AND AGAIN, I WOULD GO TO THE SITE PLAN VERSUS, UM, THE ELEVATION.
UM, AND THIS DOESN'T, EVEN TO ME REALLY, UH, CAN ACTUALLY, CAN YOU GO TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN? I THINK THAT'LL READ BETTER.
SO ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, HE, THAT FACES THE STREET.
THERE'S NO PLANTING ON THE, WE'LL CALL IT THE BUFFER SIDE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT IN THE BUFFER YET.
UM, I CAN SEE THAT ALONG THE MAIN CORRIDOR, THERE IS SOME PLANTING THAT WILL HELP FROM THAT ENTRANCE PERSPECTIVE.
UM, GIVEN THAT THERE'S PATHWAYS THAT SEEM TO NOT QUITE COORDINATE WITH THE LANDSCAPE, BUT CLOSE, AND I'M SURE IT WILL BE WORKED OUT.
UM, BUT I STILL WORRY THAT WITH ALL OF THAT CLEARING, AND EVEN FOR THE, YOU KNOW, WHILE THOSE PLANTS ARE MATURING, THAT PORTION, THE BUILDING WILL STILL BE RELATIVELY VISIBLE AND NOT, WELL, I MEAN, THERE'S JUST NO PLANTING THERE AND DO IS, YOU KNOW, THERE IS SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING, UM, THAT'S KIND OF BEEN PROGRAMMED UP TOWARDS THE ROAD.
UM, WE CAN POTENTIALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, BRING THAT AROUND AND LOOK AT JUST EITHER, AND WE'LL WORK WITH, WITH THE APPLICANT OF EITHER PUTTING IT CLOSER TO THE BUILDING OR ACTUALLY INSTALLING IT IN THE BUFFER.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SPREAD IT OUT IN THE BUFFER AND THEN THAT WAY IT'LL HELP TO, UM, TO, TO SOFTEN THAT.
UM, AND MY OTHER, I THINK, AND LAST COMMENT IS I APPRECIATE THAT THERE HAS BEEN PLANTING ADDED AROUND BUILDING B, UM, THE SEVEN POTEAU CARPUS ACROSS A HUNDRED AND SORRY, NOT BUILDING B BUILDING C UM, ACROSS THAT 150 OR SO FOOT LENGTH BUILDING SEAMS, THIS ONE HERE, THE ONE THAT'S BETWEEN THE PARK BUILDING C.
UM, BUT IT'S FACING THE RIVERSIDE AND IT'S GOT SEVEN POTEAU CARPETS AND THREE, THREE POEMS IN A TREE.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A VERY, IT'S NOT VERY MUCH PLANTING.
UM, AGAIN, I DON'T THINK IT'S MEETING THAT INTENT OF AN EIGHT FOOT FOUNDATION PLANTING.
I APPRECIATE THE ADDITION OF POTA CARPUS IN A ONE AND A HALF FOOT WIDE BED, A TWO FOOT WIDE BED.
AND AS IF YOU'RE TRYING TO CHECK A BOX, BUT IT'S STILL NOT MEETING THE INTENT.
AND I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO BE HELD HOLDING EVERYBODY TO A STANDARD, AND WE REDUCED THIS BY, YOU KNOW, 75% FOR ANYBODY THAT JUST BECOMES, I THINK IT STARTS EATING AWAY AT THE INTEGRITY OF THE INTENT OF HAVING THAT EIGHT FOOT FOUNDATION PLANTING.
UM, THESE HARDSCAPE PLANTERS CAN END UP, YOU KNOW, POORLY MAINTAINED, AND THEN THEY'RE JUST BOXES SITTING IN THE LANDSCAPE WITHOUT REAL PLANTS IN THEM ALSO.
AND IF THEY'RE NOT PROPERLY MAINTAINED AND WATERED, UM, IT BECOMES LIKE AS IF THERE'S NO REAL GREEN, I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE THAT POINT AS MUCH BECAUSE OF THAT WHOLE, UH, TURF AREA AND PARK ADJACENT TO IT.
UM, YOU COULD CALL THAT YOUR EIGHT FOOT FOUNDATION,
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BUT THE REST OF THE BUILDING STILL ISN'T MEETING IT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, EVEN WITH THE ADDITION, MAYBE NO.SO, WELL, MAYBE ONE RECOMMENDATION, UM, IS INSTEAD OF HAVING THE, UM, THE PLANTING MATERIAL, JASON TO THE BUILDING, BUT WE ACTUALLY PULL IT OUT TOWARDS THE PARKING AREA, UM, AND SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME ADDITIONAL, ADDITIONAL SPACE TO ACTUALLY GET THE SHRUBS INTO THAT AREA.
UM, AND THAT'S, AGAIN, SOMETHING FROM AN, A KID CONDITIONAL STANDPOINT.
WE CAN, WE CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, IN ORDER TO, TO ENHANCE THAT.
AND IF THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC SHRUBS, UM, THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT MORE HARDY THAT CAN, CAN STAND UP TO, YOU KNOW, FOOT TRAFFIC, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, UM, THAT, THAT STILL GIVES THAT, THAT BUFFER THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
UM, AND WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL SPACE FROM THERE AND THEN STILL OBVIOUSLY STILL MEET ADA REQUIREMENTS.
MR. OLSON, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? WILLIAMS, WILLIAMS, SORRY.
THE VOICE IN THE AIR, ANY COMMENTS MR. STEWART, JASON, JASON, YOU'RE WET.
JASON, DID YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? NO.
UM, YEAH, I THINK, I THINK IF ANYTHING, I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE WITH KATHLEEN THAT DID, DID I GET THAT RIGHT? YEAH.
THAT, UM, UM, THE LANDSCAPING MIGHT NEED A LITTLE MORE WORK AND MAYBE, MAYBE SOME OFFLINE MEETINGS WITH THAT.
IF YOU'RE OPEN TO MAKING A MOTION THAT INCORPORATES YOUR CONCERNS, THAT MIGHT BE THE BEST WAY TO APPROACH, APPROACH THIS.
IF COUNCIL SEES FIT, IF I COULD, I'LL JUST DO A QUICK RECAP OF THE ONES THAT I PICKED UP.
KATHLEEN MAKES SURE THAT, UM, FOR, FOR BUILDING B IS TO LOOK TO ENHANCE THE LANDSCAPING AROUND THE, UM, THE, THE GROUP WE'LL CALL IT THE GREEN SPACE, UH, OPEN SPACE.
UM, AND THEN FOR BUILDING E UM, PROVIDE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING, UH, EITHER ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING OR WITHIN THE BUFFER, UM, TO HELP, TO, UM, LESSEN THE IMPACT.
UM, ALSO FOR BUILDING, HE IS TO ADD ADDITIONAL ELEMENT ELEMENTS, UH, ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS, UH, TO THE SIDE, UH, FACING THE STREET, UM, TO HELP TO GIVE IT MORE OF A FRONT FACADE, UM, FEEL TO IT.
UM, AND THEN FOR BUILDING C IS TO, UM, LOOK, TO ADJUST THE LANDSCAPING, UH, SPECIFICALLY AT THE BACK, UM, REMOVING IT FROM, UH, BEING ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING AND PULLING IT OUT MORE TOWARDS THE PARKING SPACE, UH, TO PROVIDE AS MUCH, UM, LANDSCAPE AREA AS POSSIBLE, UH, WHILE STILL BEING ADA COMPLIANCE.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAD THE OTHER ITEMS THAT WERE LISTED ABOVE WHICH DEALS WITH THE LED LIGHTS BEING IN THE APPROPRIATE SUBSTITUTION, UM, AND THE ELIMINATION LEVELS AS WRITTEN BY STAFF, UM, THE SIGNS, UH, WHICH IS FORESEE.
I BELIEVE THAT COVERS MY COMMENTS.
UM, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
UM, DO WE HAVE TO SAY, I'M SORRY WITH CONDITIONS AS, UM, AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF, UM, TO INCLUDE, UH, TO BE AS COMMENTED BY THE STAFF OR TO BE FORESEE AND, UM, WITH A SUBSTITUTION THAT L FOR LED LIGHTS, UM, AND TO INCLUDE, UH, ADDRESSING LANDSCAPING, WHICH IS, I THINK COMMENT ONE A, WHICH IS THE EIGHT FOOT FOUNDATION PLANTING APPROPRIATE FOR, UM, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH BUILDING C AND TO ADDRESS, UM, THE LANDSCAPING AROUND BUILDING E AND B TO BETTER ADDRESS THE STREET AND ADDRESS THE ARCHITECTURE FOR BUILDING A, TO BETTER ADDRESS THE STREET
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AS WELL.IS THAT, YES, WE HAVE A MOTION.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND.
AND ONTO NEW BUSINESS, UH, FIRST ITEM FOR NEW BUSINESS IS WASHINGTON SQUARE TOWNHOMES PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT TO HAVE APARTMENT ON BEHALF OF PROPERTY OWNER, LOGAN HOMES FOR APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR WASHINGTON SQUARE TOWNHOMES LOCATED IN THE BUCK, WALTER CALM ROOMS, PARCEL C4 MASTER PLAN PROJECT CONSISTS OF CONSTRUCTING 58 TOWNHOMES SIDEWALKS AND ASSOCIATED INFRASTRUCTURE.
I HAVE TO RECUSE MYSELF FOR THIS ITEM.
YOU READ THROUGH THE APPLICANT REQUEST.
UM, SO WANT TO GIVE A BRIEF PROJECT DESCRIPTION AND BACKGROUND.
UH, SO THE APPLICATIONS FOR PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN LOCATED WITHIN THE BUCK, WALTER PUD, AND IT'S SUBJECT TO THE STANDARDS SET FORTH IN THE BUCK, WALTER PD DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND CONCEPT PLAN, AS WELL AS THE BUCK WALTER PLACE, MASTER PLAN, UM, STAFF COMMENTS, AND THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WERE REVIEWED AT THE OCTOBER 27TH, 2021 MEETING OF THE DRC.
UH, THE APPLICANT PROVIDED A RESPONSE TO COMMENTS AND UPDATED EXHIBITS TO ADDRESS THOSE COMMENTS PROVIDED TO GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW, UM, AS FAR AS PROJECT LOCATION TOWARDS THE BOTTOM, UM, OF THE PHOTO IS BUCK WALTER PLACE, UH, WHICH IS KROGER, PUBLIX, UM, AND OTHER BUSINESSES ARE LOCATED THERE.
THE PARCEL THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED, UM, WHICH IS BEHIND THE LOW COUNTRY, FRESH BUILDING.
THAT'S CURRENTLY AN OPERATION IN FRONT OF IT.
HERE'S JUST A MAP VIEW OF THE SAME, AND HERE'S A SITE PLAN.
SO YOU CAN SEE, UM, TOWNHOMES, THEY HAVE THE ROADWAYS THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN DARK GRAY OR MORE OR LESS ALLEYS, EXCEPT FOR SOME OF THE MAIN ACCESS POINTS.
THE MAIN ROAD IS GOING TO FUNCTION IN FRONT OF THE MAIN UNITS, UM, TOWARDS THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN THAT ALSO HAVE ON-STREET PARKING, UH, SIDEWALKS, AND WE'LL INCORPORATE LANDSCAPING AS WELL.
UM, WE ARE NOT, UM, REVIEWING ANY OF THE ELEVATIONS.
SO YOU COULD GET A SAMPLE OF WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
I'LL SCROLL THROUGH THESE HERE.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, BOTH TWO, THREE UNITS.
THERE'S ANOTHER ONE I'LL GO BACK TO SOME REAL QUICK.
AND AS FAR AS LANDSCAPING GOES, I'LL KIND OF BROWSE THROUGH THESE HERE, UM, PROVIDING STREET TREES AND THEY WILL BE PROVIDING MORE LANDSCAPING, UM, FOR EACH UNIT, BUT THAT'S MORE UPON THE BUILDER AND NOT SO MUCH, UM, STREET TREE REQUIREMENTS.
AS FAR AS REVIEW CRITERIA, A PLANNING COMMISSION SHALL CONSIDER THE CRITERIA SET FORTH IN SECTION THREE POINT 10.3 A OF UDL AND ASSESSING AN APPLICATION FOR PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, THE APPLICABLE CRITERIA ARE PROVIDED BELOW.
UM, THESE ARE ALL OF THE REVIEW CRITERIA AND ANALYSIS AND STAFF HAS FOUND THAT THEY, UM, HAVE MET, UH, ALL OF THESE CRITERIA.
I'D BE HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THOSE INDIVIDUALLY IF YOU WANT, BUT THEY WERE FOUND IN THE STAFF REPORT, UM, PACKET THAT YOU RECEIVED.
UM, SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THESE AT THIS TIME, AS FAR AS PLANNING COMMISSION ACTION.
UM, YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO EITHER APPROVE THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH THE CONDITIONS TABLE, THE APPLICATION, OR DENY THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.
UM, THERE'S, THERE'S A SUGGESTED MOTION THERE, IF YOU FEEL SO INCLINED.
UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
I'LL GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN JUST FOR OVERALL QUESTIONS, IF THERE ARE ANY, UM, LET'S JASON, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? NO.
NO, JUST, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I'VE DISCUSSED THIS IN, YOU KNOW, THOUGHT ABOUT, UM, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF ON STREET PARKING BECAUSE THE THERE'S ONE GARAGE AND ONE DRIVEWAY, AND MOST OF THESE ARE TWO AND THREE BEDROOMS. YOU KNOW, I IT'S, IN MY MIND, IT'S GOING TO LOOK CONGESTED.
I KNOW THEY'RE MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO LOOK CONGESTED IN THIS AREA AS IS AT LEAST MY UNDERSTANDING IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A REAL WALKABLE PLACE.
UM, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT.
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IT'S JUST THE CONCERN, JUST THE CONCERN THAT WE'RE HEADED DOWN A PATH WHERE IT'S GOING TO LOOK VERY CONGESTED WITH LOTS OF ON-STREET PARKING.UM, THE ONLY THING THAT I, I WANT TO ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING I THINK THAT THAT'S IN OUR PURVIEW TO BE RULING ON AT THIS POINT, BUT, UM, TO ONE OF MY, BESIDES OF THESE BUILDINGS IS NOT GREAT.
AND WHILE I CAN SEE THERE ARE STEEP STREET TREES, AND OBVIOUSLY THERE WILL BE FOUNDATION PLANTINGS THAT GO AROUND THESE AGAIN, NOT PART OF THIS APPLICATION.
UM, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THAT WILL BE RECEIVED AND I WOULD MUCH PREFER TO SEE, I WOULD MUCH PREFER TO SEE THE ARCHITECTURE IN SOME WAY RELATE TO AT THESE CORNERS, TO THE ADJACENT AREA AND NOT LOOK LIKE THE BROAD SIDE OF A BARN SPECIFICALLY, BECAUSE THIS IS A HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT AND IT'S, THIS IS GOING TO BE A GYM FOR TOWN OF BLUFFTON.
AND SO TO HAVE SOMETHING GOING IN THAT JUST LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEATING THE BARE MINIMUM STANDARDS IS SUCH A STRUGGLE FOR ME.
UM, PERSONALLY, AND NOT FROM A, LIKE I SAID, CAN'T NICK PUT AN PUT A NO ON THIS BECAUSE OF THAT, BUT I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO THINK ARCHITECTURALLY ABOUT HOW YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GIVE IT SOME ADDITIONAL APPEAL AND INTEREST, AND THEN, UM, MAKE SURE THAT YOU DO IT RIGHT WITH LANDSCAPING, SOFTENING UP, UM, SOME OF THE SIDES OF THE BUILDINGS, UM, WITH SOMETHING, UH, THAT CAN FIT WITHIN THE SPACE, UM, OVER TIME, BUT ALSO JUST DOESN'T MAKE IT FEEL LIKE IT'S THE BROAD SIDE OF THE BARN.
SO THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO JUST ENCOURAGE WHICH THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
IF THEY'D LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING, OR IF YOU'D LIKE TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS OF THEM, I FORGOT TO NOTE THAT AS WELL.
AND, AND WITH, WITH THAT, WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN, WE CAN TALK WITH THE APPLICANT.
WE CAN, UM, YOU KNOW, SEE IF THERE'S ANY, ANY TWEAKS TO IT, UH, THAT ARE, THAT ARE IN THEIR, UM, IN THEIR PURVIEW OR IN THEIR, UM, WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH HER, THEIR PROGRAMMING.
AND I CAN ADD TO THIS, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S NOTED ON HERE THAT LOGAN HOMES, IF LOGAN HOMES FOLLOWS WHAT THEY'VE DONE AROUND, WHERE I LIVE IN HAMPTON LAKE, UM, THEY ACTUALLY, IN MY OPINION ON A COUPLE OF CASES, OVERINDULGED IN LANDSCAPING, BUT IF THEY COULD DO THAT, I THINK IT WOULD BE A PLEASANT, VERY PLEASANT PROJECT.
AT YOUR BUDDY, DAN KIEFER, WHITMER JONES, KIEFER, UM, I'M HERE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS AND THE ONE QUESTION ABOUT PARKING, WE ACTUALLY, THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY DESIGNED, THERE ARE TWO SPACES IN THE DRIVEWAYS, SO WE CAN GET TWO CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY AND THEN ONE IN THE GARAGE.
UM, SO THAT HOPEFULLY THAT WILL HELP ADDRESS THAT CONCERN.
PLUS THE, ON THE STREET, ON THE STREET, PARKING IS MAINLY INTENDED FOR GUEST PARKING, THEN WE'LL DEFINITELY, UM, AS WE PROCEED CONCEPTUAL AT THIS POINT, DEFINITELY WORK WITH APPLICANT AND THEY'RE THEY'RE HERE.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THEY CAN ADDRESS? UM, SOME SOMETHING OCCURRED TO ME AS I'M LOOKING AT THE GRAYED OUT STREETS, AND I KNOW THEY'RE SECONDARY STREETS.
I SEE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS APPROVED IT, BUT WE, WITH THAT MANY KIND OF DEAD END ROADS IN THERE, WELL, I GUESS TWO OF THEM WON'T BE DEAD END ROADS WHEN IT'S DONE, BUT THE TWO, THE TWO THAT GO BACK TO THE DEAD END, ANY RATIONALE FOR THAT VERSUS A CUL-DE-SAC ANY REASON TO WORRY ABOUT HOW THEY KIND OF JUST STOP.
IT'S ACTUALLY, UM, THAT WITH DEALING WITH THE FIRE MARSHALL, I DO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THIS, UM, IT'S A 150 FOOT LENGTH.
UM, SO IT'S ACTUALLY ACCEPTABLE FOR THEM WHEN THEY, IF THEY HAVE TO PULL IN THERE TO JUST LITERALLY JUST BACK OUT AS OPPOSED TO THE CUL-DE-SAC THAT, UH, BOTH TO GET A VEHICLE AROUND THAT IS AT HAS TO BE VERY, VERY LARGE.
IT'S ACTUALLY BETTER FOR THEM TO JUST BE ABLE TO BACK OUT OF A SPOT AND THEN AN EXIT OUT, AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO, TRYING TO TURN AROUND.
DO YOU HAVE A SUGGESTED MOTION? YES.
LET ME PUT THAT BACK UP HERE, BUT YOU CAN ALWAYS AMEND THIS TO, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH CONDITIONS OF WHAT WAS DISCUSSED WITH NOT REALLY CONDITIONS CAUSE WE CAN'T MAKE THEM DO THAT.
BOTH SUGGESTIONS OF THIS MAKE A MOTION
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TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT WITH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY GIVE CONSIDERATION TO THE SIDES OF THESE BUILDINGS, NOT BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS, JUST FOR THE RECORD WHERE THEY WERE STACKED ONE ON TOP, BUT SPECIFICALLY ON THE ENDS.DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.
AND MOVING ON A NEW BUSINESS TO PARCEL NINE B AND NINE, SEEN NEW RIVERSIDE INITIAL MASTER PLAN OR REQUEST BY MICHAEL HUGHES OF THOMAS AND HUTTON ON BEHALF OF PRICHARD FARM, LLC, FOR APPROVAL OF AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY COMPRISED OF THREE PARCELS IDENTIFIED BY THE TAX.
DO I HAVE TO READ THE TAX NUMBERS RIGHT THERE AS SHOWN IN YOUR PACKET AS SHOWN IN THE PACKET COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS PARCELS NINE B AND NINE C OF NEW RIVERSIDE PUD.
UM, WANT TO GIVE A BRIEF PROJECT LOCATION, UM, OVERVIEW.
PARCEL IS OUTLINED PARCELS ARE OUTLINED IN RED.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE SAME THING.
THAT'S AN AERIAL VIEW ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN.
UM, PALM OLD PALMETTO BLUFF IS RUNNING NORTH TO SOUTH AS THIS LAYS OUT, UM, WITH NEW RIVERSIDE, UM, KIND OF BORDERING THE PALMETTO BLUFF ROAD TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROJECT.
UH, THE APPLICATIONS FOR AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN LOCATED IN THE RIVERSIDE PUD AND IT'S SUBJECT TO THE STANDARD STANDARDS SET FORTH IN A NEW RIVERSIDE PD DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND CONCEPT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT CONSISTING OF 10 LOTS WITH ASSOCIATED UTILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
UH, THIS PROJECT WILL BE ACCESSED, UM, THROUGH A GATED ENTRY OFF OF OLD PALMETTO BLUFF ROAD.
AND A NEW STORMWATER LAGOON WILL CONNECT WITH AN EXISTING WATER QUALITY LAGOON CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WITHIN THE LAKES AND THE RIVER SIDE AND SIX OF THE LOTS WILL HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO CONSTRUCT PRIVATE DOCS IN THE STORMWATER LAGOON, UH, WITH THE COMMUNITY DOCK PROVIDED FOR THE REMAINING FOUR LOTS.
UM, COMMENTS IN THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN WERE PROVIDED ON THE APRIL 28TH, 2021 MEETING OF THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE.
UH, IN RESPONSE TO THOSE COMMENTS, THE APPLICANT PROVIDED A RESUBMITTAL OF DOCUMENTS AND REQUESTED A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS TO ALLOW THE STORMWATER LAGOON TO ENCROACH INTO THE REQUIRED 50 FOOT PUD PERIMETER BUFFER AS IT CROSSES THE ADJACENT PARCEL THAT IS LOCATED OUTSIDE OF THE NEW RIVERSIDE PUD.
UH, BUT IT'S ALSO OWNED BY, UH, PRITCHARD FARM LLC THAT OWNS THE REST OF THE PARCELS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING.
UH, THE VARIANCE APPLICATION WAS PRESENTED AT THE NOVEMBER 2ND, 2021 MEETING OF THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS WITH THE BZA GRANTING THE VARIANCE AS REQUESTED TO ALLOW ENCROACHMENT INTO THE 50 FOOT PUD PERIMETER BUFFER.
UH, THE APPLICANT WILL PROVIDE A 50 FOOT BUFFER ON THE THREE AND A HALF, 3.85 ACRE PARCEL TO BUFFER THE EXISTING ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
I HERE'S THE SITE PLAN, THE AREA THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE BUFFER, IF YOU CAN SEE MY MOUSE, THIS SQUARE RIGHT HERE IS ACTUALLY, UM, IN PART OF UNINCORPORATED BUFORD COUNTY, UM, AS REQUIRED THE PD PERIMETER BUFFER WOULD HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND THAT AND BACK DOWN, THUS NOT ALLOWING THE CONNECTION OF THAT STORMWATER LAGOON.
THEY ARE PROPOSING TO INSTALL THE 50 FOOT BUFFER ON THE SOUTH END OF THAT PARCEL.
THAT'S MEETING THE INTENT, UM, OF THE PUD PERIMETER BUFFER REQUIREMENTS, SINCE THEY'RE ALL THE SAME LAND OWNERS.
UM, HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE ACCESS OF OFF OF OLD PALMETTO BLUFF ROAD, UM, WITH THE 10 RESIDENTIAL LOTS, THEY DO ALSO HAVE EMERGENCY ACCESS GOING HERE TO THE NORTH, UM, THAT WILL BE RESTRICTED.
AND JUST FOR EMERGENCY, UM, ACCESS USE AS A SECOND, UH, CONNECTION, UH, AS FAR AS REVIEW CRITERIA PLANNING IS REQUIRED TO CONSIDER THE CRITERIA SET FORTH IN SECTION 3.93 OF THE UDL AND ASSESSING AN APPLICATION FOR AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN.
UM, THE CRITERIA ARE PROVIDED HERE ON THIS SLIDE.
UH, STAFF HAS FOUND THAT IT MET ALL THE CRITERIA.
I CAN GO THROUGH EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY, IF YOU SO DESIRE.
UM, BUT THEY WERE PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT FOR THIS PROJECT, AS FAR AS ACTIONS THAT YOU CAN TAKE.
UM, YOU CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS TABLE, THE APPLICATION WILL RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE APPLICATION.
UM, AND THERE'S A RECOMMENDED MOTION, UM, BELOW IF YOU SO CHOOSE TO MAKE THAT MOTION, BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, WE ARE PROVIDING A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL WHO MAKES THE FINAL DECISIONS, CORRECT? YEAH.
UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS YOU'D LIKE TO ASK OF THEM, UM, THEY ARE ALSO HERE AS WELL.
UM, ALSO THE LETTERS THAT I HANDED OUT TO YOU BEFORE, UM, WERE FROM THE APPLICANT, UNFORTUNATELY, WEREN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT, UM, HE WANTED TO SEND HIS, UM, REGRETS AND CONDOLENCES THAT HE WASN'T ABLE TO ATTEND BECAUSE HE HAS TO BE OUT OF STATE, BUT WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW, UM, BECAUSE HE RESPECTS YOUR TIME
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AND OPINIONS THE OWNER.SORRY, WE CAN PAUSE IT UNTIL HE COMES BACK.
UM, I JUST, IT'S THREE PARCELS ALL OWNED BY THE SAME PERSON.
ONE JUST HAPPENS TO BE IN THE COUNTY.
AND INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH THE RIGAMAROLE OF TRYING TO GET THAT PARCEL IN THE COUNTY, INTO THE TOWN, THIS IS ANOTHER WAY AROUND IT.
WELL, THIS, THIS, AND THAT WAS THE, AND THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS ALSO RULED UPON OF GRANTING THE VARIANCE BECAUSE YES, THEY COULD HAVE BEEN ANNEXED IN, BUT THAT'S A LONG ARDUOUS PROCESS WITH NO GUARANTEES BY ANY MEANS.
AND THAT'S THE WAY THEY WROTE ON THAT AS WELL.
THE ONLY QUESTION I WOULD HAVE RELATED TO THIS IS COULD THEY THEN TAKE THAT COUNTY PARCEL AND GET APPROVED TO DO SOMETHING ELSE ON IT AT A FUTURE DATE? IS THAT FEASIBLE OR BECAUSE IT'S WRAPPED INTO THE MASTER PLAN, IT'S NOT EVEN ASKING A QUESTION THAT MAKES SENSE.
AS, AS IT'S SHOWN, THEY PLAN TO CONNECT THE STORM WATER LAGOON IN THERE, AND THAT'S GOING TO TAKE THE MAJORITY OF THAT PARCEL THEN WITH THE BUFFER.
UM, SO THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T SHOW ANY DEVELOPMENT BEING THERE.
I DON'T HAVE A FULL ANSWER TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
I CAN CERTAINLY CIRCLE BACK TO YESTERDAY.
UM, I'M ASSUMING IT'S A, AND I DON'T HAVE THE ZONING DESIGNATION IN THE COUNTY.
UM, BUT I'M ASSUMING SOME OF THE VERY RURAL, UM, DESIGNATIONS, WHICH ALLOWS FOR, YOU KNOW, ONE UNIT FOR EVERY THREE ACRES.
UM, SO IF, IF ANYTHING WERE TO BE DEVELOPED, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE HOUSE.
I WAS LIKE, HOW BIG IS THAT PARCEL? DO WE KNOW? I CAN'T CONSIDER SOMETHING BEING DONE THERE IN THE FUTURE, BUT I MEAN, IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO TALK TO THAT, I'D BE CURIOUS TO HEAR AND HOW'S THAT PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH OF THAT BEING UTILIZED.
SO THIS ONE THAT'S SHOWN RIGHT DOWN HERE.
UH, THE ONE THAT'LL GIVE IT, THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE, UM, SO THAT'S IN THE COUNTY THAT THAT'S OWNED BY SINGLE ONE DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNER ALTOGETHER.
UM, IT'S, IT'S CURRENTLY OCCUPIED.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A HORSE STABLE THERE IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
ALL OF THESE PARCELS DOWN BELOW HERE, ALL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, AND THEY'VE ALL BEEN NOTIFIED, RIGHT? CORRECT.
THEY'RE NOTIFIED BOTH OF THE VARIANTS AND THEN OF THIS AND THE EXISTING CONDITION.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S A BUNCH OF TREES.
SO THEN THAT'S GOING TO OPEN UP AT SOME POINT, SO THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME VISIBILITY.
THEY'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF BORROWED VIEW FOR WHICH ONE, I'M SORRY, WHICH WHEN YOU TALK FROM THOSE PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH, AS THAT LAGOON COMES.
AND THERE'S STILL THE 50 FOOT BUFFER, UM, AND SOME, SOME OTHER LANDSCAPING AND TREES AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO THEY MAY, AND IS THIS STORMWATER POND EXPANSION? THIS IS, IS THIS TITLE I THINK WE'LL ACTUALLY HAVE COME UP AND ANSWER THAT ONE.
UM, I WAS GETTING A HEAD SHAKE FROM THE BACK.
THANK YOU, JOHN PAUL MOORE WITH THOMAS AND HUTTON.
AND THIS STORM WATER POND LOGIN, I'M SORRY.
THIS IS WELL BEYOND, WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR, TO MEET STORM WATER REQUIREMENTS FOR QUANTITY.
I'M ASSUMING THIS IS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO MAKE AN AMENITY OF IT.
YOU SEE THE PROPOSED POTENTIAL CANOE DOCS THAT THESE OWNERS COULD PUT ON THE, UM, ONLY EXPANDED POND FOR USE AS A HUMANITY AND, AND AS WELL AS THE STORMWATER.
HOW, HOW DEEP IS IT INTENDED TO BE? HAVEN'T DESIGNED USUALLY THEY'RE FOUR TO SIX FOOT DEEP.
THIS IS GOING TO BE FOR CANOES OR POWERED BOATS.
I DON'T THINK THEY'VE SET COVENANTS YET.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO, I'M SORRY.
YEAH, IT WOULDN'T SAY IT WOULD BE JUST CANOES OR KAYAKS IF YOU COULD JUST IDENTIFY YOURSELF.
HEY, WELL, I'M JARED CLEVELAND, UM, UH, GUESTS, THE OWNER'S REP.
AND THAT, THAT A LOT IS ABOUT FOUR ACRES WHERE THE LITTLE CANALS COMING THROUGH AND IT'S ONLY APPROVED FOR ONE HOUSE.
UM, SO I DON'T EVEN WANT TO CALL IT WORST CASE SCENARIO, BUT THE, THE MOST DENSE SCENARIO WOULD BE ONE HOUSE THAT'S BUILT THERE IN THE FUTURE.
IS THIS GOING TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH PALMETTO BLUFF THE COMMUNITY? UM, I'M NOT SURE.
UH, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE IF, IF THE 10 LOTS WANT TO BE PART OF PULLMAN OF BLUFF.
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LET ME CLARIFY THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY PART OF A PALMETTO BLUFF FROM THE PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT ASPECT OF IT, BUT IT'S MORE FOR THE AMENITIES COMPONENT TO IT.SO AGAIN, FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, THAT'S PRIVATE COVENANTS ON THEIR SIDE.
UM, ONE QUESTION I HAD WAS, UH, RELATED TO THE GATED ENTRY, WHICH I CAN SEE IS SETBACK REALLY FAR FROM THE ROAD, WHICH I'M ASSUMING IS TO BE AGAIN, KIND OF AN UNASSUMING, UH, POINT OF ENTRY IS THIS IS NOT INTENDED TO BE, YOU KNOW, WELCOME TO VEGAS.
UM, THE ONE THING I SAW ABOUT IT WHEN I SAW, WHEN I WAS ZOOMED IN ON THAT GATED ENTRY WAS I DIDN'T SEE A TURNAROUND ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
UM, SO IF YOU GOT THERE AND YOU COULDN'T, YOU DIDN'T HAVE YOUR KEY CODE OR NEEDED TO TURN AROUND IN ANY CAPACITY, I DIDN'T SEE OPTION FOR BEING ABLE TO DO THAT.
WE CAN, WE'RE ALSO DEALING WITH, WE'RE CROSSING A LITTLE WETLAND PINCH POINT THERE.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER REASON IT'S PUSHED BACK THE WAY.
UM, BUT YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT FURTHER.
THE OTHER THOUGHT I HAD, UM, AND THIS IS JUST ME LOOKING AT A RECOMMENDATION.
THIS IS, OR A THOUGHT THAT I WOULD POSTURE FOR YOU, THAT YOU MAY TAKE RELIEF AT YOUR WILL BECAUSE IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT BY ANY STRETCH OF IMAGINATION.
I WONDERED IF YOU DIDN'T PUT IT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MEAL, MAIL KIOSK, AND HAVE THE TURNAROUND ASSOCIATED WITH A PARKING AREA WITH THE MALE KIOSK.
IF YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO BE A BIG PART OF THAT STREETSCAPE ALONG OLD PALMETTO BLUFF ROAD, I THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE A NICE WAY TO CREATE A LITTLE, UM, POINT OF ENTRY, BUT THAT'S UP TO YOU.
NOT, THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE, BUT THE TURNAROUND I THINK IS IMPORTANT.
UM, REGARDLESS OF WHERE IT'S LOCATED, RECOMMENDATION, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? KEEP LOOKING UP TO THE SKY.
DO YOU HAVE THE SUGGESTED YEAH, I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TO TOWN COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION SECOND.
UH, NEXT ITEM ON NEW BUSINESS IS PARCEL 10, A SLASH 10 B BUCK WALTER MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT.
THE APPLICANT WENT MURPH JONES KIEFER ON BEHALF OF UNIVERSITY INVESTMENTS IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY LOCATED WITHIN PARCEL 10 D OF BUCHWALD'S OR PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
THANK YOU TO GIVE A PROJECT LOCATION ON THIS ONE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE PARCEL HIGHLIGHTED IN RED HERE.
SO JUST TO ORIENT YOU A LITTLE BIT, BLUFFTON PARKWAY IS RUNNING EAST TO WEST, UM, OFF TO THE EAST OF THE SITE PLAN.
YOU HAVE BUCK WALTER PARKWAY, UM, AND THE HAMPTON PARKWAY BORDERS.
THE MAJORITY OF THE RESIDENTIAL PARCELS THAT ARE ON THE EASTERN, I GUESS SOUTH SIDE OF HAMPTON PARKWAY WITH THE ONE COMMERCIAL PARCEL THAT'S TO THE NORTH END WEST OF HAMPTON PARKWAY.
HERE'S AN AERIAL VIEW AND APPLICATIONS FOR A MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT LOCATED WITHIN THE BUCK, WALTER PUD AND SUBJECT TO THE STANDARDS SET FORTH IN THE BUCK, WALTER PUD DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND CONCEPT PLAN AND THE BUCK WASHER PLACE MASTER PLAN A PROPERTY CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 28.1 ACRES WITHIN THE BUCK WALTER PUD, AND IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED OF THE 28.1 ACRES.
APPROXIMATELY 19.6 ACRES ARE COVERED WITH JURISDICTIONAL WETLANDS, UH, LEAVING A TOTAL OF 8.6 UPLAND ACRES SUITABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING FOR RESIDENTIAL LOTS THAT INCLUDE A TOTAL OF 7.3 UP ON ACRES, AND THEN ONE COMMERCIAL LOT THAT MEASURES 1.3 ACRES.
A STAFF COMMENTS ON THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WERE REVIEWED AT THE OCTOBER 20TH, 2020, A MEETING OF THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE ON THE APPLICANT PROVIDED A RESPONSE TO COMMENTS AND UPDATED EXHIBITS TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS PROVIDED HERE IS THE PARCEL 10, EIGHT, AND 10 B MASTER PLAN THAT THEY ARE REQUESTING TO BE ADDED INTO.
SO YOU CAN SEE LOTS ONE THROUGH FOUR, UM, ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HAMPTON PARKWAY, THOSE ARE THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS THAT WERE DISCUSSED.
AND LOT FIVE IS THE COMMERCIAL LOT TO THE LEFT SIDE OF HAMPTON PARKWAY.
AND THEN THE, THE MASTER PLAN THAT'S RIGHT BACK HERE, UM, IS JUST TO THE RIGHT OF LOTS.
UM, THE ONLY, UM, CAVEAT HERE IS THAT THIS SQUARE PARCEL IS NOT INCLUDED, UM, WITH THE 10, 8, 10 B MASTER PLAN THAT WE'LL HAVE TO COME THROUGH IN THE FUTURE AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
UM, BUT THESE ONES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE ARE
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REQUESTING TO BE ADDED INTO THE MASTER PLAN, THAT GOVERNANCE GOVERNANCE, THE PARCELS TO THE EAST.DO WE KNOW WHO OWNS THAT PARCEL? I DON'T OFFER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD AS FAR AS REVIEW CRITERIA, YOU CAN SEE THEM HERE ON YOUR SCREEN.
STAFF HAS FOUND THAT THEY MET ALL OF THEIR REVIEW.
I CAN GO THROUGH EACH ONE IF YOU, IF YOU LIKE.
UM, BUT THEY WERE PROVIDING YOUR STAFF PACKET AND REPORT AS FAR AS RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, PLANNING COMMISSIONER HAS THE AUTHORITY TO RECOMMEND, UH, THE FOLLOWING TOWN COUNCIL.
YOU CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS, A TABLE, THE APPLICATION FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED, UH, AND A RECOMMENDED MOTION.
IS THERE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SLIDE, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
YOU MAY HAVE THE APPLICANTS ALSO HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, UM, THAT YOU MAY HAVE OF THEM.
COULD YOU SH THIS LOCK ONE, IS THAT GOING TO BE RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL THEN? NO, A LOT.
EVERYTHING ON THE RIGHT AND SOUTH SIDE OF HAMPTON PARKWAY ARE ALL RESIDENTIAL.
THE ONLY COMMERCIAL ONE IS THAT LOT FIVE IT'S THE SMALL ONE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF HAMPTON PARKWAY.
AND I NOTICED IN THE DISCUSSION WHERE YOU TALKED ABOUT STAFF REVIEWED THE THINGS, AND YOU SAID TRAFFIC CONSIDERATION.
I TRY TO GET OUT OF MY COMMUNITY, THE CROSS, UM, BLUFFTON PARKWAY, AND YOU'VE GOT THE FIREHOUSE AND YOU GOT THE SCHOOL AND THERE ARE TIMES OF THE DAY THAT IT'S DARN NEAR IMPOSSIBLE TO GET OUT OF THERE.
SO CAN YOU SAY A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE TRAFFIC CONSIDERATION THAT YOU'VE DONE? IF THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE PLANNED THERE FOR SURE.
UM, AS FAR AS, UM, TRAFFIC CONSIDERATIONS, THE MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THEM, UM, NOTHING IS WARRANTED REALLY AT THIS TIME IN TERMS OF THE SIZE AND SCOPE OF THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO BE GENERATED.
UM, FOR SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL LOTS IS A RELATIVELY LOW TRANSGENERATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT HAVE BEEN KICKED AROUND, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A RESTAURANT OR A HIGH TRIP GENERATION USER.
UM, SO THERE'S NOT REALLY ANY CONCERN FROM US GOING TO BE A STARBUCKS.
NO, WELL, I CAN'T SAY THAT CAUSE I DON'T WANT THE PROPERTY, BUT, UM, AS FAR AS WHAT WE'VE SEEN, UH, MAYBE THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK BETTER TO THIS A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE, UM, AS TOWN STAFF DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS, AS FAR AS THAT ACCESS POINT AT THIS POINT, AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC WITH THE FIREHOUSE AND THE SCHOOL, RIGHT? WHAT ARE THE COMMERCIAL USES THAT ARE ALLOWED THERE? THAT IS, IT'S A GENERAL COMMERCIAL, UM, WHICH ALLOWS FOR HUNDREDS OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF USERS, BUT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S ALLOWED OUTSIDE OR IN FRONT OF HAMPTON, LIKE, UM, AGAIN, NOT KNOWING FULL PROGRAMMING OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT'S INTENTIONS.
UM, BUT IT'S THAT GENERAL COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION.
UM, B ALSO AFTER A MEMBER FROM, FROM A LOCATION STANDPOINT, IT'S NOT A VERY HIGH VERTICAL OF PATIENTS.
SO THE LIKELIHOOD OF, OF, OF USES THAT NEED THAT VISIBILITY OF LESSONS.
SO IT'S MORE OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WOULD REFER TO LIKE BACK OF THE HOUSE OPERATIONS, UM, THAT DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FOOT TRAFFIC THAT WOULD COME INTO THEM.
WELL, LET ME AND I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.
I'M NOT TRAVELING, BUT I'VE OFTEN WONDERED WHEN I'M SITTING IN THE TRAFFIC, TRYING TO GET OUT OF MY COMMUNITY.
AND THERE'S A LINE OF CARS THAT COMES FROM THE SCHOOL DOWN IN HAMPTON PARKWAY.
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A FIRE TRUCK HAS TO GET OUT OF THERE, THEY DON'T GET OUT AND THEY'LL JUST THROW UP THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, RIGHT SIDE, THEY'LL GO UP THE LEFT SIDE, THE WRONG WAY.
I ASKED THOSE QUESTIONS WHEN THEY WERE TRYING TO CONNECT ST.
GREGORY OVER BY THE MAIN FIRE STATION.
AND I WOULD SAY, I MEAN, IF, IF, AND THIS IS JUST KIND OF A GENERAL QUESTION TO PUT US AT EASE, IF LET'S SAY WHICH YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T EVEN FIT ON THE LOT, IF THEY CAME BACK AND WANTED TO PUT A CONVENIENCE STORE AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THERE'D HAVE TO BE A TRAFFIC STUDY.
YOU'D HAVE TO BE PROPERLY MITIGATED DECIDED AND ALL THAT.
TRYING TO WORK KIND OF HELICOPTER VIEW RIGHT NOW.
AND IS IT ALLOWED TO HAVE COMMERCIAL RIGHT NOW? WELL, I MEAN, IF IT'S NOT PART OF ROLLED INTO, WELL, IT HAS TO BE PART OF A MASTER PLAN AND THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING AND IT'S AN AMENDMENT TO IT BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A SMALL PARCEL OF LAND.
IT NEEDED TO, IT DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TO MEET ITS OWN, UM, MASTER PLAN.
UH, THAT'S WHY THEY'RE ATTACHING IT TO THAT EXISTING PARCEL 10, 8, 10 B MASTER PLAN.
SO, UH, AGAIN, THESE, THIS AMENDMENT DOES NOT CHANGE ANY OF THE PREVIOUS, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR 10, EIGHT, AND ME, UH, PROVIDES THE PROGRAMMING FOR THESE FIVE LOTS.
AND MULTIFAMILY WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED ACROSS THE STREET, CORRECT?
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LOTS ONE THROUGH FOUR.IT'S ONLY SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE FAMILY.
RESIDENTIAL IS, IS ALLOWED THERE.
UM, AGAIN FROM BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THOSE THEY'RE NOT EVEN APPROPRIATE FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS THE DWELLING UNITS.
HE HAS THE RIGHTS TO THE DWELLING UNITS AND HIS INTENTION IS LITERALLY TO JUST SELL THOSE OFF AS INDIVIDUAL LOTS.
AND THEN, UH, INDIVIDUALS WOULD THEN COME IN AND PULL THEIR NECESSARY BUILDING PERMITS.
UM, AND THEN, UH, SINCE THE TOWN DOES OWN HAMPTON PARKWAY, UM, THEY'D HAVE TO GET AN ENCROACHMENT PERMIT FROM THE TOWN FOR THEIR DRIVEWAY LOCATION.
HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, THOUGH, IF SOMEBODY WANTED IT, THEY WOULD STILL TECHNICALLY BY LAND USE, THEY WERE ALLOWED TO DO OTHER THINGS BESIDES SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
SO THEY'D HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO, THEY'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PERMIT TO FILL THE WETLAND.
AND, AND ALSO WITH THIS MASTER PLAN, THEY'RE DOING THAT.
THEY'RE PROVIDING DESIGNATION AS IT BEING RESIDENTIAL ON THEIR MASTER PLAN.
IF, IF THEY CAME BACK AND WERE LIKE, ACTUALLY WE WANT A NEW COMMERCIAL THERE, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK KIND OF IN THEIR MASTER PLAN TO SHOW THAT THAT'D BE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO HEAR.
IF THEY WANTED TO SUBDIVIDE THIS AGAIN, THEY'D HAVE TO FILL IN WETLANDS AND THEY'LL ALL KIND OF STUFF, BUT COULD THEY, COULD THESE BE FURTHER SUBDIVIDED AT, UH, SO SOMEBODY BUYS A LOT FOUR AND THEY'RE LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, AND FILL THE WETLAND AND TURN THIS INTO 20 LOTS, BUT POTENTIALLY HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF THE SIZE, UM, AND THE ACTUAL DWELLING UNITS, CAUSE YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE A DWELLING JUST BECAUSE HE SUMMED UP.
I MEAN, SUBDIVIDES IT, HE HAS TO BE ABLE TO TIE A DWELLING UNIT, UM, TO EACH OF THOSE LIVES.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING, THIS IS NOT, IT'S NOT HIS INTENTION TO TRY TO SUB THAT DIVIDE OUR SUB SUBDIVIDED DOWN ANY FURTHER.
UM, BUT JUST TO HAVE THOSE KIND OF PREMIER LAWS DOES THIS BY CRAIG, BY THE CREATION OF THIS, UM, ARE THEY NOW COMING APART OF THIS? UM, THANK YOU.
I I'VE GOT ALL THE WORDS APPARENTLY OR NONE OF THEM, UM, DOES THIS SUDDENLY, DOES THIS ENTITLE THEM TO MORE DWELLING UNITS BY BECOMING A PART OF THIS? OKAY.
SO WHAT'S THE SAME BEFORE AND AFTER.
DOES IT, WOULD IT ENTITLE THEM TO MORE COMMERCIAL OR MORE ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY.
COULD YOU ONE MORE TIME? UM, BECAUSE I, I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT THE SIZE OF THAT WETLAND WHO'D BE BUILT BUILDING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
SO WHAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN FOR HIM TO CHANGE THAT TO, OR AN OWNER TO CHANGE THAT TO COMMERCIAL THEY'D HAVE TO COME BEFORE US OR ZONES, SAME THING THAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.
THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK AND, UM, REDO THE MASTER PLAN AND MAKE SURE TH TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I JUST CAN'T SEE INDIVIDUAL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON THAT, THOSE SPOTS.
UH, YOU GOT TO LOOK AT THE FACT THAT EACH ONE HAS AT LEAST THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE OF UP LAND ON THERE.
SO YOU COULD HIDE A HOUSE AND, YOU KNOW, TWO ACRES IS UP LAND.
IT'S NOT THE BEST SPOT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE FIREHOUSE AND THE SCHOOL.
I, YOU GAVE ME THE ANSWER I NEED.
THANKS NOW WE'RE GETTING HYPOTHETICAL.
OTHER COMMENTS? NO QUESTIONS, JASON.
UH, LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION, I MOTION THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TO TOWN COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION.
SO SECOND, SECOND MOTION DID SECONDED ANY DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.
TIME FOR ITEM FOUR, A U U D O UNITED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS.
DO I HAVE TO DO CALL FOR YES, I DO.
UH, AMENDMENTS TO THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON CODE OF ORDINANCES, CHAPTER 23, EDO ARTICLE THREE, APPLICATION PROCESS, SECTION THREE, DOT TWO DOT THREE DOT A PUBLIC HEARING.
NOTICE, NOTICE REQUIREMENTS AND UDI TEXT AMENDMENTS.
UM, DO I ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT NOW OR FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS FIRST CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, PUBLIC COMMENTS, SECOND CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, THIRD AND FINAL CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO THIS, BY THE WAY, IT'S RIGHT UP THERE ON
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THE, THIS IS THE FIRST OF THREE, A UDL TEXT AMENDMENTS.AND THIS ONE RELATES TO TIMING OF, UM, PUBLICATION FOR REPUBLIC NOTICE, UH, PRESENTLY, UM, THE, UM, THE REQUIREMENT IN THE EDO FOR NOTIFICATION OF ANY TEXT AMENDMENTS IS 30 DAYS.
AND WE DO POST THAT INTO THE ISLAND PACKET.
USUALLY ON A SUNDAY, WE ALSO SUPPLEMENT OUR NOTIFICATION WITH, UM, UH, AN AGENDA ON OUR WEBSITE, THE ISSUE, AND IS ALSO POSTED AT TOWN HALL.
AND WE DO SEND OUT AN EMAIL TO, UM, ANY RESIDENTS OR ANY OTHERS WHO, UH, SIGN UP FOR IT THROUGH OUR WEBSITE.
WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS TO CHANGE THE REQUIREMENT FROM 30 DAYS TO 15 DAYS, WHICH WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW.
UM, WE PRESENTLY DO THAT RIGHT NOW WITH OUR ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT.
SO THERE WOULD BE CONSISTENCY WITH THAT AND ALLOWING US TO HAVE THE 15 DAYS INSTEAD OF THE 30 DAYS, PUBLICATION WILL ALLOW US TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFICIENT.
THERE WERE TIMES WHEN WE NEED TO GET TO A TEXT AMENDMENT, AND UNFORTUNATELY WE'VE MISSED THAT CUTOFF DATE BECAUSE OF THE PUBLICATION REQUIREMENT.
UM, SO WE'D LIKE TO BAKE JUST A VERY MINOR CHANGE, UH, GOING FROM 30 DAYS TO 15.
AND IF YOU'LL NOTICE THERE'S A 30 DAY REQUIREMENT FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, THAT IS A STATE REQUIREMENT.
SO THAT WOULD REMAIN ON CHANGE.
EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD BE 15 DAYS.
SO THERE'S CONSISTENCY FOR ALL OTHER TYPES OF, UH, APPLICATIONS, UM, RELATING TO THE TEXT MIMIC CRITERIA.
IT REALLY DOESN'T APPLY TO THIS.
IT DOES, UM, COMPLY WITH THE APPLICATIONS MANUAL, THE SUBMITTAL THAT IS SO THERE'S NO CONCERN THERE.
AND, UH, WITH THIS, YOU CAN EITHER CHOOSE TO APPROVE IT, DENY IT, OR, UH, SUGGEST AN ALTERNATE AMENDMENT.
UM, THEN AGAIN, IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO BE 15 DAYS IF HE CHOSE ANOTHER TIME PERIOD.
UM, IF YOU CHOOSE TO MAKE A DECISION ON THE SAME EVENING, IT WOULD MOVE FORWARD TO THE TOWN COUNCIL MEETING ON FEBRUARY 8TH.
UM, AND HERE'S THE RECOMMENDED MOTION.
SO WE CAN'T RECOMMEND 16 DAYS.
I SEEM TO REMEMBER, WE ENDED UP WITH ONE OF THE MEETINGS THAT WE HAD TO MOVE BECAUSE EITHER WE DIDN'T HAVE A QUORUM OR THE ELECTRICITY WAS DOWN, WHATEVER IT WAS, WHERE WE COULDN'T PROPERLY NOTICE SOMETHING, THIS, THIS WOULD BE CORRECTED BY SOMETHING BY THIS.
I THINK IT WAS UDL AMENDMENTS.
I THINK, I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE REMEMBERING IT CORRECTLY.
BUT EITHER WAY IT WOULD KEEP THIS FROM HAPPENING.
IF WE HAD SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE, IT ALSO HELPS WITH TOWN COUNCIL FROM FIRST READING TO SECOND RATING.
THERE ARE TIMES WHERE THAT 30 DAY WHEN THERE'S ACTUALLY LESS THAN 30 DAYS FROM THE FIRST READING TO THE SECOND READING.
SO WE ALMOST HAVE TO POST A NOTICE FOR SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED AT FIRST READING.
UM, AND, AND WE HAVE CONCERNS WITH THAT.
SOMETIMES ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO THE AMENDMENTS BOSTON CODE OF ORDINANCES, CHAPTER 23 UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, ARTICLE THREE, APPLICATION PROCESS, SECTION 3.2 POINT TO YOUR POINT, A PUBLIC NOTICE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE TIME AND GO PUBLIC NOTICE REQUIREMENTS FOR STUDIO TEXT AMENDMENTS SECOND.
IT SAYS IT'S SECTION 3.2 0.3 POINT A, BUT THEY SAID 3.2 0.2.
I DON'T WANT TO END UP HAVING TO DO IT OVER AGAIN.
DO WE KNOW WHICH ONE IT IS? I NOTICED THAT, OH YEAH.
I JUST KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO AMEND IT IF IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE 3.2 0.3.
I'M TRYING TO MAKE UP FOR THE NAME OF THING.
REPORT SAYS IT'S 3.2 0.2 POINT A LIKE THE RECOMMENDATION 3.2 0.3 POINT A.
SO, UM, I MEANT TO ENTERTAIN AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION.
I NEED SOMEBODY TO AMEND THE MOTION TO SECTION 3.2 0.3 AND THE EMOTION TO RECOLLECT SECTION 3.2 0.3 POINT A.
ALTHOUGH DISCUSSION ON ANYTHING, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT TO
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THE ORIGINAL MOTION I POSED OF THE, TO THE MOTION PASSES FINAL DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT OF THE MOTION AS AMENDED.AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION AS AMENDED BY POSED.
UM, NEXT IS UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS, PUBLIC HEARING AMENDMENTS TO TOWN OF BLUFFTON CODE OF ORDINANCES, CHAPTER 23 UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE ARTICLE FIVE DESIGN STANDARDS, SECTION 5.8 0.3 LOT AND BUILDING STANDARDS TABLE 5.8 0.3 POINTS A LOT TYPES BY DISTRICT AND TABLE 5.8 0.3 POINT B LOT STANDARDS.
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARINGS FIRST FALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
SECOND CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, THIRD AND FINAL CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, SO THIS, UH, NEXT AMENDMENT RELATES TO THE USE TABLE AND NOT THE USE TABLE, RATHER THE, UM, LOT TYPE TABLE THAT IS IN YOUR PACKAGE.
AND THERE ARE A VARIETY OF REASONS WHY WE ARE PROPOSING AMENDMENTS.
UM, ONE IS FOR FORMATTING, UM, FOOTNOTES, UH, CURRENTLY USE AN ASTERISK AND WITHIN THIS PARTICULAR CHART, THERE ARE FIVE DIFFERENT FOOTNOTES.
IT'S SIMPLER TO USE NUMBERS RATHER THAN AN ASTERISK OR MULTIPLE ONES.
IT GETS A LITTLE CONFUSING AND IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE FORMAT WE USE THROUGHOUT THE UTO.
THE OTHER, UM, REASON FOR MAKING THIS AMENDMENT WOULD BE TO ELIMINATE UNNECESSARY LOT TYPES.
WE HAVE THREE THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO ELIMINATE.
THEY INCLUDE FARMHOUSE COUNTRY, HOUSE AND THE LIVE WORK, UH, LOT TYPES.
UH, THESE ARE LOT TYPES THAT WE DON'T USE.
THE FARMHOUSE AND THE COUNTRY HOUSE, UM, ARE PARTICULARLY LARGE LOTS.
AND GIVEN OUR URBANIZATION, IT'S VERY UNLIKELY THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE LOTS OF THIS SIZE BEING DEVELOPED FOR A SINGLE FAMILY, THE LIVE WORK LOT.
WE'RE NOT EXACTLY CERTAIN WHAT THAT IS.
WE DO HAVE AN EXCUSE ALREADY IS A LOT TYPES.
UM, SO WE, UM, PROPOSE REMOVING THAT IT'S NOT DEFINED IN OUR ORDINANCE AND I THINK IT'LL BE LESS CONFUSING FOR ANYONE LOOKING AT THE STUDIO.
WE ARE PROPOSING SOME AMENDMENTS TO, UH, TO THE, UH, SETBACKS OR LOT COVERAGE FOR CERTAIN LOT TYPES BECAUSE WE ARE ELIMINATING THE FARMHOUSE IN THE COUNTRY HOUSE.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME SLIGHT AMENDMENTS THERE TO THE ESTATE LOT.
UM, WE ARE ALSO RECOMMENDING THAT WITH OUR SMALL HOUSE LOT TYPE THAT WE CHANGE THE LOT SIZE FROM A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OR MINIMUM LOT WITH AT 30 FEET TO 40 FEET.
UM, GIVEN THE, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR FIVE FOOT STEP BACK, THAT WOULD BE A VERY NARROW HOUSE THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE, UH, PRESENT MORE AS A GARAGE.
SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THAT BE CHANGED AND THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING ADJUSTMENTS TO AND MIXED USE LOT TYPES AS WELL, BUMPING THOSE UP BY FEET, UM, TO PROVIDE A MORE SUFFICIENT BUFFER TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
AND THEN THE OTHER REASON WHY WE ARE RECOMMENDING, UH, CHANGES TO THIS PARTICULAR SECTION IS TO INCREASE THE DRIVEWAY LENGTH AND SHE REQUIRED DRIVEWAYS TO AT LEAST 22 FEET IN LENGTH FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND THIS ROLLED OUT CARS TO BE PARKED, UM, UH, ON THE PROPERTY, UM, WHEN WE HAVE VERY SHALLOW SETBACKS AND FORTUNATELY THE DRIVEWAYS, UH, TYPICALLY ARE ALSO SHALLOW, WHICH MEANS THAT CARS CAN BE PARKED AND OVERHANG ONTO A SIDEWALK AND OUT INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND IT JUST, UM, UH, CREATES PROBLEMS WITH PEOPLE TRYING TO PASS ALONG THE SIDEWALK AND IT DOESN'T LOOK ATTRACTIVE AS WELL.
SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THAT BE CHANGED AND ALSO THAT ANY COVERED PARKING, A GARAGE OR A CARPORT BE LOCATED AT LEAST 22 FEET BEHIND THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID HAVING THE GARAGE, UM, BE THE MAJOR PORTION OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
AND SO IT'S POSSIBLE TO HAVE A PORTION OF THE HOUSE, UM, BE CLOSER TO THE RIGHT AWAY AND OR THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE AND IT HAD THE GARAGE SETBACK.
SO THOSE ARE THE REASONS FOR THIS PARTICULAR CHANGE, UM, TO THE, UM, TO THE CHART AGAIN, IN YOUR AMENDMENT, IN YOUR PACKAGE, RATHER THE CRITERIA, UM, ARE PROVIDED HERE.
AND BASICALLY FOR THE MOST PART, THIS IS A MORE OF A GENERAL WELFARE, UM, MATTER, UH, RELATING TO THE GARAGE AND, UM, THE DRIVEWAY.
UM, AND IT DOES COMPLY WITH THE APPLICATIONS MANUAL.
SO THIS IS, UM, THE ACTIONS THAT CAN BE TAKEN APPROVE DISAPPROVE, OR MAKE AMENDMENTS TO WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO YOU.
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AND IF IT IS APPROVED TODAY, IT'S JANUARY 26.IT WILL MOVE FORWARD TO THE FEBRUARY 8TH, UM, TOWN COUNCIL MEETING.
AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A DECISION TO SEE EVENING HERE IS THE PROPOSED RECOMMENDED MOTION.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, UM, CHARLOTTE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
I HAVE A QUESTION, UM, THAT I DIDN'T THINK OF YESTERDAY, BUT I HAVE TODAY, UM, WITH THAT 22 FOOT DRIVEWAY SETBACK THAT'S AND I NOTICED THAT WAS LISTED UNDER IS THAT FRONT IS WHERE THAT WAS NOTED, UM, ON THE CHART WHERE IT COMES UP AT A 90 DEGREE ANGLE, IT SAYS FRONT, AND THAT'S WHERE THE THREE IS.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO ANYWHERE WHERE THERE'S A FRONT SETBACK, YOU'RE SAYING FROM THE STREET FROM THE STREET 22 SEPARATE.
SO IT'S THAT BACK FROM A SIDE YARD TOO.
I WONDERED IF THAT ISN'T SOMETHING THAT ALSO SHOULD BE ADDED POTENTIALLY TO THE REAR SETBACK, BECAUSE IF YOU HAD A REAR LOADED PRODUCT IN YOUR DRIVEWAY WAS IN THE BACK.
IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT 22 FOOT, YOUR GUTS, SOMEBODY POTENTIALLY PARKING, OR IF WE'RE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, WE'RE NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT WOULD LIKELY BE AN ALLEY AND YOU TYPICALLY ALLEYS NOT, WILL NOT ALWAYS THEY'RE TYPICALLY PRIVATE.
UM, AND SO WE'RE LESS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT TYPICALLY GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S SEEN, UM, FROM THE PUBLIC.
UM, SO YOU KNOW, LIKE AN ACCESSORY RESIDENTIAL USE DOWNTOWN SAVANNAH OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT, UM, TYPICALLY THEY DON'T, THEY, THE GARAGE WILL NOT BE THAT FAR BACK FROM THE, FROM THE LANE OR FROM THE ALLEY.
YOU'RE SAYING TYPICALLY IT'S GOING TO BE CLOSER THAN 22 FEET FROM THE GARAGE TO THE ALLEY DRIVE.
YOU ALSO HAVE TO REMEMBER IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU'RE YOU HAVE AN ALLEY THEN FROM A FRONT, THE FRONT FACADE STANDPOINT, TYPICALLY ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME ON STREET PARKING AS WELL.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE HELPING TO ALLEVIATE, I HAVE AN ON-STREET PARKING.
UM, AND THEN IN THE REAR, TYPICALLY YOU WOULD BE FIVE FEET OFF OF THE ALLEY.
SO YOU'D HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A GARAGE OR A PARKING PAD.
SO YOU'RE STILL MEETING, YOU'D STILL MEET YOUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
UM, I KNOW MOST ALLEYS, I SEE PEOPLE ACTUALLY WILL PARK SIDEWAYS, UM, ACROSS THEIR LITTLE PAD AREA OF THEIR GARAGE.
AGAIN, THE INTENT IS FOR THAT FRONT, THE FRONT FACADE WHERE THE SIDEWALKS ARE LOCATED.
SO YOU'RE NOT ENCROACHING OVER SIDEWALKS WHERE THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ARE, ARE WALKING TO THAT.
DOES IT ADDRESS THE SIDEWALK ANYWHERE IN THIS OR IS IT JUST THE 22 FEET MAKES IT SO THAT IT'S FROM THE PROPERTY LINE? SO THE SIDEWALK WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF IT? UM, MY ONLY COMMENT AND WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY, BUT OBVIOUSLY NOT EVERYBODY HAD THE BENEFIT OF OUR CONVERSATION.
UM, ONE OF MY CONCERNS, UM, THAT I BROUGHT UP IN THE COMBINATION OF THE FARMHOUSE LAW AND THE COUNTRY HOUSE LAW UNDER THE ESTATE LOT.
CAUSE ALL I'M LOOKING AT IT, YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY YOU SHOULD BE UNDER THE PUMP.
THE OTHER IS SO THE ANYTHING ZONED AGRICULTURAL RURAL IS THAT RURAL MIXED USE THE RMU.
AND THEN, UM, RESIDENTIAL GENERAL.
SO WHILE AIG AND RMU DO NOT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF PROPERTIES, THIS DOES AFFECT, UM, A LOT OF PROPERTIES WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT RESIDENTIAL GENERAL AND THE, I THINK THE COMBINATION OF THOSE CONDENSING, THOSE INTO ONE IS GREAT.
MY CONCERN IS THAT FOR ANYBODY THAT HAS A PROPERTY THAT IS CLASSIFIED UNDER THAT ESTATE LOT, WHERE THEY COULD HAVE HAD 50% COVERAGE PREVIOUSLY THERE NOW THEY'RE DIMINISH THEIR VALUE IS ESSENTIALLY DIMINISHED BY NOW ONLY ALLOWING A 40% COVERAGE.
IF YOU WERE SAY, YOU HAD JUST DIVIDED THESE PROPERTIES OR YOU WERE INTENDING TO DIVIDE THE PROPERTY AND YOU KNEW THAT YOU COULD SELL A 3000 SQUARE FOOT HOME ON THERE BEFORE, AND THAT WAS 50%.
WELL NOW THEY CAN ONLY HAVE A, I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO DO THE MATH, WELL SAY A 2,600 SQUARE FOOT HOME, UM, THAT, THAT INFLUENCES THEIR BOTTOM LINE OF WHAT THEY COULD MAKE OFF OF THAT PROPERTY.
AND SO I'M SAYING THAT POTENTIALLY WE, IN ORDER TO NOT AFFECT THOSE PROPERTIES, UM, THAT WE KEEP THAT NUMBER AT 50% MIGHT RECOMMEND KEEPING THAT NUMBER AT 50% ALTERNATIVELY, TO THEN DROPPING IT TO 40% THAT'S STAFF DOESN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT.
SO WE CAN EASILY ADJUST THAT TO THE 50%,
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UM, THE OTHER.AND I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL WANT TO HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR WANT TO DISCUSS OR JUST THAT, BUT THE OTHER COMMENT THAT I HAD WAS ON THE, UM, SMALL HOUSE LOT WHERE THEY CHANGED FROM 30 FOOT TO A 40 FOOT MINIMUM.
SO IN DOING THAT, MY CONCERN IS THAT THAT LIMITS, UM, FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF HOW THE DEVELOPMENT OF A PROPERTY.
SO, AND I'M SENSITIVE TO THE FACT THAT WE DON'T WANT A SERIES OF GARAGE FACES ON A 30 FOOT PRODUCT.
BUT MY THOUGHT IN MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO GO AHEAD AND KEEP THE 30 FOOT TIF MINIMUM.
AND, BUT MAKING NOTE THAT 30 FOOT AND I WOULD EVEN GO SO FAR TO SAY 40 FOOT, UH, PRODUCTS WOULD HAVE TO BE RELOADED AND THAT IT'S NOT UNTIL YOU HAVE A 50 FOOT PRODUCT THAT YOU, UM, CAN DO THE FRONT LOADED, ENHANCED THAT REAL QUICK.
SO W WHEN SHE'S REFERRING TO REAR LOADED, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT IT HAS TO BE FROM AN ALLEY.
UH, SOMEONE COULD STILL HAVE A DRIVEWAY, UM, FROM THE FRONT THAT WOULD JUST RUN DOWN THE SIDE AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE THEIR PARKING AREA IN THE REAR.
SO IF THEY HAD A GARAGE, IT WOULD HAVE TO, IN ESSENCE, WOULD BE IN THE REAR AND THEN SOMEONE WOULD ACCESS SEPARATE THERE.
SO IF I'M READING THE NUMBERS RIGHT, THOUGH, IF 30 WAS AN OPTION AND YOU HAVE A FIVE FOOT MINIMUM SIDE SETBACK, YOU'RE TALKING A 20 FOOT WIDE PRODUCT, AND HOW WOULD YOU MAKE THE BEST? HOW WOULD YOU MAKE A TURNAROUND FOR AT THAT POINT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A REAR LOADED PRODUCT, BUT AT A 40, IF SOMEONE'S OUT OF 40 AND YOU'RE STILL REQUIRING THAT TO BE THE REAR REAR LOADED, THEN THEY COULD POTENTIALLY DO A YEAH.
BECAUSE I AGREE WITH TOWN STAFF THAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE A BUNCH OF GARAGES EITHER, BUT I, I THINK THAT THE FLEXIBILITY OF HOW YOU BE YOU CAN DEVELOP THE PRODUCT IS IMPORTANT.
AND I MEAN, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF YOUR UNIQUE SITUATIONS THAT YOU COULD GET INTO WITH, UM, AND PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT.
AND IF YOU DON'T MIND SUMMARIZE THE RECOMMENDATION, YOUR RANKING, I'M RECOMMENDING THAT IT REMAINS AT 30 FOOT, BUT THAT A NOTE BE ADDED THAT THE 30 FOOT AND 40 FOOT LOTS FOR A SMALL HOUSE LOT ARE RELOADED PRODUCT.
SO ANY LOGS, 40 FEET OR LESS, YOU COULD DO 30.
I I'D BE INCLINED TO STILL SAY 30 AND 40 FOOT LOTS, ANYTHING LIKE 40 FOOT? YES.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT YOU'RE CORRECT.
I HEARD YOU DIFFERENTLY IN MY MIND, BUT YES, WE'LL DO.
LET ME SEE IF I UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO A 40 FOOT LOT, HOW BIG WERE THE ASSEMBLAGE? LET'S SAY WE HAD FIVE.
THEY WERE NARROW IT'S NARROW AND I DON'T.
SO THAT WOULD, WE'RE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD, COULD ONLY BE REAR YEAH.
THERE, IF THEY'RE AT 42, THEN, THEN THEY DON'T MEET THAT AGAIN.
YOU ALSO HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THAT PLAN FALLS UNDER THE CURRENT CODE.
IT WOULD NOT, THIS DOES NOT UNDERSTAND ANYTHING UNDER 50 FOOT.
THERE'S A REAR LOADED PRODUCT.
HE'S TRYING TO VISUALIZE THAT.
I GET, I GET WHERE YOU'RE GOING BECAUSE WITH BLUFFTON ASSEMBLER, I'M SORRY.
NO, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF THE SIZE OF THAT LOT.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SEEING A DRIVEWAY DOWN THE, DOWN THE PROPERTY LINE AND YOU HAVE TO TURN AROUND TO GET INTO YOUR GARAGE.
I JUST, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT FITS, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE MY SCALE DRAWINGS OUT RIGHT NOW.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE, IT'S GOING TO BE KIND OF KINDA TIGHT TO GET.
IT'S LIKE A SIX OR SEVEN POINT TURN.
THAT'S HOW MY DRIVEWAY IS IN MY GARAGE.
SO, SO IS THAT WHAT WE WANT TO PROVIDE FOR? WELL, THERE IS, THERE IS A DIFFERENT VIEW.
THERE COULD BE A GARAGE THAT'S SEPARATE FROM THE HOUSE THAT YOU DRIVE TV OR A SEPARATE STREET THAT ACCESSES BACK THERE.
I DON'T, IT'S SUCH A TINY PRODUCT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO WRAP MY MIND AROUND.
WHY WOULD WE FORCE IT TO BE A REAR REAR ENTRY PRODUCT THIS WAY YOU STILL HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY OF THE 30 FOOT LOT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THE FLEXIBILITY OF HAVING
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THOSE, IT CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, AND CHARLOTTE AND I HAD A DIFFERENT OPINION OR DIFFERENCE OF OPINION ON THIS.I THINK THAT BEING ABLE TO STILL HAVE THAT 30 FOOT LOT, ONE CREATES FLEXIBILITY, BUT IT ALSO ALLOWS POTENTIALLY TO HAVE AFFORDED BETTER AFFORDABILITY, UM, FOR MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BECAUSE YOU CAN ADD, YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE LIMITED BY THE DENSITY OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE ZONING, BUT IT DOES ALLOW YOU TO, UM, POTENTIALLY ADD AN ADDITIONAL LAWN IN THERE WHICH CAN REDUCE THE PRICE.
AND AM I HEARING RIGHT? WE DON'T REALLY FEEL THAT WE WANT 30 OR 35 FOOT WIDE, LOTS WITH FRONT GARAGES, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE A BUNCH OF GARAGES.
ANYTHING ELSE, ANYBODY ELSE, VOICE IN THE SKY? I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
UM, LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH AMENDMENTS, TO THE AMENDMENTS, TO THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON CODE OF ORDINANCE, CHAPTER 23 UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORNAMENTS, ARTICLE FIVE DESIGN STANDARDS, SECTION 5.8 0.3 LOT, AND BUILDING STANDARDS TABLES 5.8 0.3 POINT A AND 5.8 0.3 POINT B.
UH, SO AS TO RECOMMEND THE, AND THE, UM, TO THIS AMENDMENT IS THAT THE ESTATE LOCKED WOULD MAINTAIN THE 50% COVERAGE AND RECOMMEND THAT THE 30 FOOT, ANY LOTS UNDER 40 FOOT ARE, WOULD BE NOTED TO BE A REAR LOADED PRODUCT.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND DISCUSSION? UM, I'M CURIOUS HOW A COMMISSION MEMBERS FEEL ON, ON THE AMENDMENTS.
I WAS COMFORTABLE WITH THE, THE PROPOSAL FROM STAFF.
I, I AGREE WITH THE AMENDMENTS NOR I, JASON, DO YOU HAVE ANY FEEDBACK? I KNOW YOU DEAL WITH, UH, PLANNING QUITE A BIT YOURSELF.
I, I I'M COMFORTABLE WITH, UH, WITH THE AMENDMENT.
SO, UM, SO WE HAVE A MOTION BEFORE US TO APPROVE WITH AMENDMENTS.
THE TWO MOONS MEN, MEN'S BEING 50%, LOT COVERAGE ON A STATE HOUSE LOT AND DEFINING 40 FOOT OR LESS, UH, CHANGING IT TO 30 TO 50 FOOT ON THE SMALL HOUSE.
LOT IN 40 FOOT OR LESS WOULD BE REAR LOADED PRODUCT, NOT CHANGING IT FROM THE 30 FOOT, BUT JUST NOTING THAT IT'S ANYTHING UNDER 40 FOOT, IT'S A RELATED PRODUCT.
SO, UM, ON THAT MOTION WITH THE AMENDMENTS ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
MOTION CARRIES FOUR TO TWO IF I COUNTED, CORRECT.
WHICH KNOWING MY NAME SAYING TODAY.
WE HAVE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT, ORDINANCES, AMENDMENTS, PUBLIC HEARING AMENDMENTS TO TOWN OF BLUFFTON CODE OF ORDINANCES, CHAPTER 23 UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, ARTICLE FIVE, SECTION 5.3, NATURAL RESOURCES, TREE CONSERVATION, PLANTING AND LANDSCAPING SPECIFICS TO SECTION 5.3 0.3 G MAXIMUM REPLACEMENT OF REMOVE TREES AND SECTION 5.3 0.8 FEE IN LIEU OF TREE REPLACEMENT AND OR SPECIFIC LANDSCAPING.
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING FIRST CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
SECOND CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, THIRD AND FINAL CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO THIS PARTICULAR AMENDMENT RELATES TO OUR STRATEGIC PLAN AND OUR COMMUNITY QUALITY OF LIFE FOCUS AREA, SPECIFICALLY THE PRINCIPLE THAT INCLUDES PROTECTING OUR NATURAL RESOURCES AND, UH, ONE INITIATIVE TO, UH, PROTECT OUR RESOURCES IS TO IMPROVE OUR TREE CONSERVATION EFFORTS.
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A NUTSHELL, WHAT THESE AMENDMENTS PROPOSED TO DO IS TO REQUIRE MORE REPLACEMENT TREES PER ACRE OF LAND DISTURBANCE WHILE MAINTAINING OUR 75% TREE CANOPY COVERAGE REQUIREMENT.UM, IT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE A PAYMENT INTO THE TREE, UH, THE TOWN'S TREE FUND, UH, WHEN THERE'S NOT AN ABILITY TO PLANT ON SITE.
AND I'LL EXPLAIN THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO CURRENTLY, UH, THE REQUIREMENT, AS I SAID IS 75% TREE CANOPY COVERAGE.
WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THAT, THAT CHANGE.
UM, THE COVERAGE CAN RELY ON EXISTING TREES, TREES THAT ARE PROPOSED YOU, UM, BE PLANTED OR SOME COMBINATION OF THEIR THEREOF, UM, ANY REQUIRED BUFFERS, UM, TREES WITHIN THOSE BUFFERS CAN APPLY.
UH, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT FOR EACH ACRE THAT IS DISTURBED, THAT AN ADDITIONAL 15 TREES WOULD BE, UM, THEY CAN BE EXISTING, THEY CAN BE PLANTED, BUT THEY CANNOT INCLUDE TREES THAT ARE WITHIN THE REQUIRED BUFFER.
SO THAT'S THE BIT OF A CHANGE THERE.
UM, IF IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO GET ALL OF THOSE TREES ON SITE, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT, UM, WHETHER IF IT'S A TYPOGRAPHICAL ISSUE, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE, SOMETHING RELATED TO THAT, IF IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO GET THOSE TREES PLANTED, THEN, UM, THE, UH, THE APPLICANT COULD PAY INTO THE TREE FUND, IDEALLY.
UM, WHAT WE'RE GONNA SEE MORE LIKELY, UH, WE'LL SEE, MORE TREES BEING PLANTED, UM, UH, TO AVOID HAVING TO MAKE THAT PAYMENT.
UM, SO THE, THE FEE IN LIEU OF PORTION OF THIS, UM, WOULD BE BASED ON FOR EACH TREE CALIPER INCH THAT CAN NOT BE PLANTED.
THERE WOULD BE A FEE THAT WOULD BE ASSESSED BASED ON THAT.
UM, THE FEE WOULD BE BASED ON THE MARKET RATE.
AND, UM, WE HAD SUGGESTED THAT THE, UH, MASTER FEE SCHEDULE BE UPDATED WITH THAT MARKET RATE, BUT I MAY WANT TO SUGGEST A, AN ADJUSTMENT TO THAT.
AND IT'S JUST A MOMENT, UH, ANY FEES THAT ARE COLLECTED WOULD BE, UH, PUT INTO THAT FUND AND THE PHONE BE FOR ANY TREES TO BE PLANTED FOR TOWN PROJECTS.
SO, UM, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE PUBLICLY RELATED.
UM, THE, WE DO HAVE THE FEE IN LIEU OF PROGRAM RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S BASED ON AN ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE INTENDED USE.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT, UM, PECULIAR.
AND, UM, THE FEE IN LIEU OF AS PROPOSED WOULD NOT REQUIRE A TOWN COUNCIL BOAT, UM, THAT WOULD BE AT STAFF LEVEL.
SO THE, UH, PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, YOU SEE HERE RELATE TO THE TAREE CONSERVATION.
AGAIN, 15 TREES PER ACRE WOULD HAVE TO BE PROVIDED.
UM, THERE HAS TO BE 75% CANOPY COVERAGE.
UM, 15 TREES OBVIOUSLY PROBABLY WILL NOT GET THAT.
UM, SO MORE LIKELY WE'RE GOING TO SEE MORE RETENTION OF TREES AND POTENTIALLY MORE PLANTING OF TREES.
AND WE CURRENTLY REQUIRE RIGHT NOW, UM, UH, AGAIN, IF WE CANNOT, UM, IF THERE'S SOME REASON THOSE 15 TREES CAN'T BE PLANTED, THEN THERE WOULD BE A PAYMENT REQUIREMENT INTO THE TREE FUND.
AND THEN THE FEE IN LIEU OF AMENDMENT THAT YOU SEE HERE, UM, IT'S BASED ON CALIPER INCH AND IT SHOULD BE BASED ON THE MARKET RATE.
AND I LOOKED AT THIS AGAIN BEFORE THE MEETING, AND I THINK IT MAY BE BEST INSTEAD OF SAYING UPDATED PERIODICALLY AND THE TOWN'S MASTER FEE SCHEDULE THAT PERHAPS IT SHOULD SAY THE FEE IS BASED ON MARKET RATE PERIOD, AND THEN ANY COLLECTED FEES SHALL BE DEPOSITED.
UM, AND THEN THAT WAY WE CAN, UM, MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS AS NEEDED WITHOUT HAVING TO UPDATE THE MASTER FEE SCHEDULE.
SO, UM, UH, APPLYING THE, THE TEXT AMENDMENT REVIEW CRITERIA, AGAIN, THERE'S APPLICATION TO BEST PRACTICES AND PRESERVATION OF OUR TREE CANOPY TREES PROVIDE A LOT OF BENEFITS, INCLUDING IMPROVING AIR QUALITY, PROVIDING SHADE AND REDUCING STORMWATER RUNOFF.
THIS DOES APPLY, UH, COMPLY WITH THE APPLICATIONS MANUAL, AND HERE'S THE ACTIONS THAT CAN BE TAKEN HERE, APPROVE, UM, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH AMENDMENTS, WHICH COULD INCLUDE MY SUGGESTED CHANGE OR TO DENY IT.
AND AGAIN, IF, UH, IF THIS IS APPROVED TONIGHT, UH, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE FEBRUARY 8TH TOWN COUNCIL MEETING, AND THEN A FINAL READING ON MARCH 8TH HERE IS THE PROPOSED RECOMMENDATION.
OF COURSE, THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE MY SUGGESTION, BUT IT COULD, OR AN ALTERNATE ONE, YOU GOT THE WRONG, I COPIED THE WRONG ONE AGAIN, MY, MY APOLOGIES.
UM, AND WE CAN, I CAN UPDATE THAT.
I JUST GO BACK TO BACK TO THE MAIN, I GUESS THE MAIN PAGE.
UM, OR I CAN BRING IT UP AND TYPE IT TOO.
UM, HOW DO YOU DETERMINE MARKET RATE?
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WHO DOES THAT? IT CAN BE PROVIDED BY, UM, A NURSERY COULD DO THAT.THAT'S PROVIDING THE TREES, THEY COULD PROVIDE, UM, THE QUOTE, UH, BASED ON THE TREES, THE AMOUNT THAT'S NEEDED TO BE PLANTED AND FOR THE MAINTENANCE AS WELL, WHICH IS WHAT THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND DOES.
AND THIS WOULD NOT APPLY TO ANY OF THE PUD.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THAT BASICALLY ANYTHING THAT'S NOT IN A PUD OR ANY KIND OF A SEPARATE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO LET ME, UM, WHAT I COULD DO IS GO BACK AND SEE MY WORD DOCUMENT.
AND I THINK THAT'LL, WELL, WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, WHEN IT SAYS A TREE CANOPY WITH A MINIMUM OF 75% LONG LOCK COVERAGE SHALL BE PROVIDED, WHAT IF THERE AREN'T TREES COVERING 75% OF THE LOT? IS THIS GOING TO REQUIRE PEOPLE TO PLANT MORE TREES AS THEY BUILD? YES.
NOT IF, IF SOMEONE HAS A LOT AND THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO IT, AND IT DOES NOT MEAN A 75% FAMINE, UH, CANOPY COVERAGE, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING BECAUSE IT'S, IF THEY GO TO DEVELOP A SITE, UM, THEY ARE THEN REQUIRED TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.
IF THEY DON'T HAVE SUFFICIENT TREES, THEY'RE ALREADY REQUIRED TO PLANT TREES ASSOCIATED WITH A LANDSCAPE PLAN, UH, FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO, AND IT'S THAT 75% COVERAGE IS BASED OFF THE MATURE HEIGHT OF THE TREE.
SO A TWO AND A HALF INCH CALIBER IS SMALL.
YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T COUNT IT BASED OFF OF THAT BASED OFF IF YOU DO IT LIVE OF OBVIOUSLY YOU GET A LARGER COVERAGE AREA.
UM, SO IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF TREE, UM, TO MEET, TO GET TO THAT 75%.
UM, AND THAT'S YOUR, YOUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS ARE THE ONES THAT KIND OF DO THAT JOB.
AND THEY SHOW THAT GREAT DIAGRAMS AND THEY PUT A TREE DOWN, IT SHOWS THE COVERAGE, AND THEN THEY DO IT PERCENTAGE TO SHOW THAT THEY'RE MEETING THAT COVERAGE.
MATT IS SITTING THERE SHAKING HIS HEAD.
UM, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE HAS TO DO.
THE THING IS, IS THAT IF IT'S WHATEVER REASONS, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO MEET THAT COVERAGE, WHATEVER TREES THAT ARE STILL NECESSARY, THEY WOULD THEN PAY INTO THAT TREE FUND WITH MEETING THAT REQUIREMENT.
IT MIGHT BE ONE TREE, BUT YOU KNOW THAT WE DID A QUOTE, UM, FROM A NURSERY AS TO WHAT IS THE COST FOR THAT ONE TREE.
AND THEN THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE BEEN JUST PRIOR TO DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL.
THEY WOULD PAY IT, PAY THAT MONEY TO THE TOWN, THAT MONEY GOES INTO A FUND.
AND THEN WE USE THAT, UM, FOR ALMOST ANYTHING TREE RELATED.
NOW WE DON'T WANT, AS SHE'S DOING ALL OF THIS, THAT'S WHY I'M TALKING.
WE DON'T WANT SOMEONE TO SAY, WELL, I'LL JUST PLANT SOME TREES IN YOUR, IN YOUR PARK.
WELL, WE HAVEN'T PROGRAMMED FOR TREES TO BE IN A PARK IN A CERTAIN SPOT, SO THAT MONEY CAN GO TO HELP TO COVER THE COST OF NEW TREES.
IT CAN GO TO HELP THE COST OF EDUCATION, UM, FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, ELEMENTARY AGED KIDS OR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PLANTING TREES, OR WE REFORESTING AN AREA LIKE THAT.
MONEY CAN GO TO HELP, UM, PAY THOSE COSTS.
GOOD EDUCATION I'VE THOUGHT, ARE WE GOING TO SEND A TREE TO SCHOOL? WHAT I'M I'M, I'M JUST, I MEAN, I'M THINKING OF MY A LOT, I GUESS, I GUESS MY LOT WOULD HAVE 75% COVERAGE AT MATURITY, BUT I'M JUST THINKING SOME PEOPLE LIKE A SUNNY BACKYARD OR, YOU KNOW, NOT TO BE COMPLETELY UNDER TREES, BUT, WELL, I, I NEED TO GET A LITTLE UNDERSTANDING THOUGH, WHEN YOU SAY 75% CANOPY COVERAGE OF THE LOT, COULD YOU IN LAYMAN'S TERMS, CAUSE I'M NOT A MATTE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IS IT LIKE WHEN THE HOUSE IS BUILT? SO YEAH, SO THE WAY THEY BREAK IT DOWN IS THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE, RIGHT NOW, THE WAY IT IS PROPOSED.
FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A LOT OF LASTS THAT HAVE BAD SOILS OVER THERE.
SO THEY ENDED UP PLANTING A LOT OF TREES TO MEET THAT CAN'T BE COVERED.
SO IN ORDER TO DO THAT CALCULATION, YOU TAKE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF YOUR FOOTPRINT.
NOW, IF IT'S 3000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE, BUT ONLY A 1500 SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT, YOU COUNT THAT 1500 SQUARE SQUARE FEET, REALLY ANYTHING UNDER ROOF.
IF YOU TAKE THAT OUT OF THE EQUATION TOWARDS YOUR TOTAL LOT SQUARE SQUARE FEET AND FOR YOUR LIFE, UM, THEN YOU HAVE TO COVER 75% OF THAT, OF THE REMAINING AT WHAT POINT WHEN THE TREE IS PLANTED OR 10 YEARS DOWN.
SO THAT'S WHERE IT'S CALCULATED MATURITY, UM, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS.
THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF WEBSITES THROUGH CLEMSON AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER, UM, GOOD EDUCATIONAL RESOURCES THAT SAY, HEY, I LIVE OAK GROWS TO AN AVERAGE OF, AND THESE JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT LET'S SAY A ABOUT GROSS WITH AN AVERAGE OF 80 TO 120 FEET.
UM, AND IT HAS THIS WIDTH AND YOU JUST TAKE THAT AREA AND THAT'S THE CALCULATION YOU PROVIDE, AND YOU CAN BUBBLE IT OUT ON A SITE PLAN AND YOU SAY, OKAY,
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THIS WOULD COVER, YOU KNOW, 25% OF THE SITE AREA.AND YOU GET UP TO THAT 75% THRESHOLD NUMBER, BUT IT COULD BE THEY'RE PLANTING A TWO INCH CALIPER TREE AND IT'LL BE DONE IN 30 YEARS.
THERE, THERE'S NO WAY TO GET IT TO MATURITY RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN, YOU EVEN PLANTING A SIX INCH CALIPER, WEIBO GUESTS AS A HIGHER CANOPY COVERAGE, UM, VASTLY MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT STILL NOT GOING TO BE THAT MATURE.
THERE'S A THREE FUND NOW, RIGHT? THERE'S WHAT THERE A TREE FUND.
CAUSE I REMEMBER WE'VE HAD TROUBLE ON A COUPLE OF PROJECTS TRYING TO GET THAT 75% COVERAGE.
AND FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, WE WERE JUST TOLD TO GET THE 75% COVERAGE, THERE WAS NO REFUND TO PAY UNTIL WE HAD TO GET IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF WHOEVER I WAS WORKING WITH AT THE TIME OR THE CLIENTS THAT THEY WANTED TO GET THE TREES.
I'M NOT SURE, BUT YEAH, I DIDN'T KNOW THE TOWN.
I KNOW THE COUNTY DOES, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW THE TOWN MIDDLE.
AND SO THIS, THE 75% NUMBER, THAT'S KIND OF A STANDARD NUMBER THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE.
SO WE DON'T ALL DIE THREE GENERATIONS FROM NOW OR, UM, 75 MONTHS, 75% OF WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE.
THE, UM, AND I'M, AND I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING HOW IT'S WRITTEN.
I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND I FELT REALLY GOOD ABOUT IT YESTERDAY.
AND THEN I'M READING IT NOW AND IT'S LIKE, OKAY, SO THE WAY I READ IT, IT'S YOU GOT TO HAVE THE 75% COVERAGE AND YOU HA AND YOU HAVE TO MEET A 15 TREE MINIMUM IN NOT IN THE BUFFER AREA.
AND DOES IT, I DON'T SEE WHERE IT DEFINES, I MEAN, TO ME, THAT TREE COULD BE, YOU COULD HAVE A SPRIG OF A PINE THAT'S COMING UP AND I SAY, I'M KEEPING THAT, IS IT A SURVEY TREE? IS IT A TREE OF A CERTAIN SIZE THAT MEETS THAT? HOW WAS THAT? HOW WAS THAT DEFINED THOSE 15 TREES? THE, UM, IT'S AND I DIDN'T PROVIDE THE ENTIRE, UM, UH, SECTION, UH, OF THE ORDINANCE, WHICH I THINK WOULD HAVE BEEN HELPFUL.
UM, BUT IT IS REQUIRED TO BE, I BELIEVE TWO, TWO AND A HALF, UM, CALIPERS TO BE PLANTED BECAUSE I SEE WHERE IT SAID TWO AND A HALF WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THAT PREVIOUSLY.
BUT WHEN THAT GOT ELIMINATED, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT ENTIRELY WIPED OUT THE TWO AND A HALF INCH CALIPER.
UM, IT'S L IT IS ELSEWHERE AND DIFFERENT SECTION, UM, THAT WE'RE NOT CHANGING OR AMENDING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT ANY TREE ON A LANDSCAPE PLAN HAS TO BE AT TWO AND A HALF INCH CALIBER.
SO IT HAPPENED, BUT IT HAD, SO NOW NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE TO MEET THE 75%, YOU ALSO HAVE TO MEET THE 15.
SO THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT MINIMUM.
ON THE LITERATURE HERE, IT SAYS 15 TREES CAN CAL EXISTING IN THE BUFFER OR WHATEVER.
NOW SAY YOU DON'T HAVE THE 15 AND YOU DO HAVE TO PLANT TREES.
WHAT COUNTS AS THOSE 15? ARE THEY, CAN YOU USE UNDERSTORY? CAN YOU USE OVERSTORY? LIKE, ARE YOU ABLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE TWO, DO THEY HAVE TO BE ALL OVER STORY? DO THEY HAVE, CAN THEY BE ALL UNDER STORY? UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A MIX AND, YOU KNOW, CAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T WANT TO PLANT 15 OVERSTORY TREES BECAUSE NONE OF THEM WILL GROW.
THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE ATTACK, YOU KNOW, ATTACKING EACH OTHER.
SO, UH, IT WOULD BE A MIXTURE OF UNDERSTORY AND OVERSTORY BOMBS COUNT.
CAUSE I JUST SEE DEVELOPERS COMING IN HERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE CHEAPEST OPTION POSSIBLE.
AND I'M THINKING OF MY EXPERIENCE WITH 71 CALHOUN.
THERE'S NO ROOM TO FIT 15 TREES IN THERE FOR PER ACRE OF, I MEAN, WE HAD A VERY HARD TIME JUST GETTING THE 75% COVERAGE AND THEN DEPENDING ON WHAT GETS DEVELOPED WITH COMMERCIAL AND THEN, EXCUSE ME, WHEN THE BUILD FROM SETBACK TO SETBACK, THEN WE GET A PARKING LOT.
THEN YOU HAVE YOUR EIGHT FOOT LANDSCAPE FOUNDATION.
THAT'S OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE, ANY, ANY TREES OR LANDSCAPING COM LIKE SOLID TREES AND YOUR LANDSCAPE ISLANDS COUNT TOWARDS MEETING THAT REQUIREMENT.
UM, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO AND WE'D HAVE TO LOOK SPECIFICALLY FOR A PALM TREE OR THE POEM.
AND I WOULD MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLASSIFIED AS ITS OWN INDIVIDUAL ITEM BECAUSE THOSE POEMS ARE NOT SOLD BY CALIPER INCH.
BUT IF YOU GET A PALM, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S GOT BOOTS, THEN YOU'VE GOT EXTRA CALIBER INCH THAT YOU'RE LIKE, OKAY.
SO INSTEAD OF NOW, YOU KNOW, IT WAS FOR TWO AND A HALF INCH CALIBERS.
IF I GET MYSELF A 10 INCH PALM, THEN I'M DONE AND ONE TREE AND THAT'S A MUCH CHEAPER OPTION.
I THINK THAT WAS WHAT YOU'RE ALLUDING TO HILTON HEAD DOESN'T ADDRESS IT VERY WELL.
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UM, WELL THIS JUST SAYS 15 TREES.I MEAN THE CALIBER INCHES TWO AND A HALF.
BUT COULD YOU COMBINE, COULD YOU COMBINE THAT? COULD I PUT, COULD I, BUT COULD I PUT IN A FIVE INCH CALIPER TREE CANADA'S TOO, YOU KNOW, AND SO IT'S ONE TREE AT FIVE INCHES, SO IT'S A MUCH MORE SUBSTANTIAL TREE.
DO I GET ADDED BENEFIT FOR THAT? CAN I COUNT THAT TOWARDS MY TOTAL INCHES? CAUSE THAT'S WHAT TOWN AND HILTON HEAD LETS DO.
THEY LET YOU BEEF UP THE TREE SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE, AND THERE'S BY CATEGORY, WHICH IS AGAIN, IT'S A LOT OF WORK.
UM, I APPRECIATE THE INCLUSION OF THAT MARKET VALUE.
I WOULD ALSO MAKE SURE THAT THAT MARKET VALUE IS DEFINED NOT JUST BY THE PRODUCT ITSELF, BUT ALSO BUY THE LABOR AND INSTALLATION.
AND I THINK YOU SAID MAINTENANCE AS WELL, BECAUSE IT'S JUST SO SIMPLE BECAUSE THEN THEY, THE TREE, NO ONE WILL BE PLANTING TREES.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS TO EXPERTS HERE.
UM, I'M GOING TO LET ONE, ONE OF Y'ALL PLEASE MAKE THE MOTION.
YOU WANT TO DO IT CHARLOTTE? DID YOU READ, YOU REDO THE EMOTIONAL, DO YOU WANT TO DO IT? I DON'T LIKE THE, UM, I DON'T LIKE, WELL THAT WAS, THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE OR DISCUSSION HERE BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE AN EXPERT.
AND I I'D LIKE TO KNOW THE PROS AND CONS REALLY OF WHY THAT'S A CHALLENGE OR WHY IT MAY NOT.
AND HOW CAN WE CHANGE IT OR DO YOU LEAVE? AND IN THE PROJECTS I'VE WORKED ON AND ARE WORKING ON NOW IN MY EXPERIENCE, I DON'T SEE THIS EXTRA 15 TREE IT'S GOING TO BECOME A HINDRANCE.
I DON'T SEE PEOPLE WANTING TO PLANT.
I SEE YOU, JUST PEOPLE PAYING IN THE TREE FUND, WHICH MIGHT BE FINE.
UM, I WAS, MY QUESTION WAS, YEAH, THERE'S SOME DEVELOPMENTS AND SOME PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE TO BUILD A SMALLER HOUSE AND HAVE MORE TREES.
BUT SO FAR IN, IN MY LUCK, IT'S, IT'S PEOPLE WHO COME IN AND THEY WANT TO BUILD ON THE WHOLE ENTIRE LOT.
AND YOU HAVE NO ROOM FOR TREES.
AND WE HAVE A VERY HARD TIME JUST GETTING THE 75% COVERAGE, LET ALONE ADD THEM EXTRA TREES TO IT.
SO THIS IS THE THING WE JUST APPROVED THAT SAID, FOR EXAMPLE, I THINK IT WAS A STATE SIZE.
LOTS COULD COVER UP TO 50% OF THE LAW AND YOU COMBINE IT WITH THIS REQUIREMENT THAT 75% HAS TO BE COVERED BY TREES, BUT IT CAN INCLUDE THE HOUSE.
WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? ARE WE SAYING THE HOUSE HAS TO BE COVERED BY TREES? I DON'T KNOW, DURING THAT CALCULATION ON HOW MUCH CAN YOU CONVINCE YOUR CLIENT TO HAVE SO A LITTLE BIT APPLES TO ORANGES? SO THE 50% COVERAGE, THAT'S MORE OF A PERVIOUS TO IMPERVIOUS RATIO ON THE LOT THAT RESIDENTIAL GENERAL 50%.
AND SO THAT'S OVER ON THE SIDE, THE 75% IS OKAY, IN ORDER TO DO THAT CALCULATION OF HOW MUCH CANOPY COVERAGE YOU HAVE TO DO, YOU DO NOT COUNT ANYTHING THAT'S UNDER ROOF.
SO YOU JUST TAKE THAT OUT OF THAT EQUATION.
THE NUMBERS REALLY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ONE ANOTHER.
THAT'S JUST THE WAY TO DO THAT CALCULATION TO GET THE TRUE LINE OF COVERAGE OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
SO IT'S, IT'S 75% OF WHAT'S NOT UNDER THE FOOTPRINT.
AND WHAT THAT 75% THAT DOES COUNT OVER TOP OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACES.
SO LIKE THE DRIVEWAY OR, YOU KNOW, STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE, YEAH, THEY'RE BOTH NUMBERS, BUT TOTALLY DIFFERENT NUMBERS AND DOING TWO DIFFERENT THINGS BACK TO THAT.
THAT'S ALSO, IT'S BEEN IN THE HOME STILL FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO IF YOU DO HAVE A BUFFER REQUIREMENT, UH, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT YOU CAN USE THOSE TREES THAT ARE IN THE BUFFER, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY TYPICALLY IF IT'S A VACANT ALREADY WOULDN'T LOT, THE TREES THAT ARE IN ESSENCE ADJACENT TO THE BUFFER INTENT IS YOU COULD THEN USE THOSE TREES TO MEET YOUR REQUIREMENT.
UM, BUT IT'S NOT THE BUFFER ITSELF.
AND AS IT HELPS TO ENHANCE THE BUFFER WHILE STILL YOU THEN CAN PICK UP THOSE TREES.
UM, AND YES, THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY TO, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT INTERPRETATION OF WHAT ALL THE TREES THAT WE'RE REFERRING TO.
UM, CAUSE WE GET IT, THERE ARE TIMES WHERE YOU'RE LIKE, WELL, IS IT, THIS IS A, A FOUR-INCH CALIPER TREE.
THAT'S, I'VE GOTTEN LIKE FIVE OF THOSE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, UH, PLAINTIFFS ADJACENT TO THE BUMPER.
WELL THEN YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO USE THOSE, THE NATURAL
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TRUTHS THAT ARE THERE WITH WITHOUT HOPEFULLY OPENING A CAN OF WORMS. WOULD IT MAKE MORE SENSE TO DO A TOTAL CALIPER INCH REQUIREMENT AS OPPOSED TO 15 TREES? YEAH.THAT'S WHY THE QUALITY OF TREE.
SO THAT'S WHERE YOU WOULD DEFINITELY GET TWO PALMS AND PEOPLE WOULD CALL IT A DAY.
I USED TO, I LIKE HOW THE ORIGINAL CODE WRITTEN WITH THE 75% OF TREE COVERAGE.
I THINK THAT'S VERY REASONABLE, UM, GREAT FOR OUR AREA.
UM, WHEN YOU GET INTO LIKE WHAT KATHLEEN WAS SAYING TO DOWN TO FILL AND HEAD IN WHICH YOU HAVE TO DO IN THE CALCULATIONS IN THE CALIPER INCHES, IT GETS A LITTLE CRAZY.
WELL, AND IT FORCES SOME STUFFING ENTRIES IN PLACES THAT IT DOESN'T BELONG IN.
UM, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THE 15 TREES PER ACRE DISTURBED AREA IS THE RIGHT NUMBER.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT, AGAIN, THIS YESTERDAY WAS, YOU KNOW, SAY YOU'VE GOT A QUARTER ACRE LOT.
YOU PUT A 1500 SQUARE FOOT HOME IN THERE.
AND NOW YOU'VE GOT TO TRY TO FIND ROOM FOR WHATEVER THE FOUR TREES, BASICALLY THREE AND THREE QUARTERS ROUND UP TO FOUR.
SO NOW YOU'VE GOT TO GET FOUR TREES ON THERE.
WELL, I CAN TELL YOU ON A QUARTER ACRE LOT, THAT'S GOING TO BE, EVEN IF YOU'RE DOING UNDERSTORY, THAT'S GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE.
SO IF THIS WAS ONLY COMMERCIAL, THAT WOULD BE ONE THING, BUT THERE'S NO DEFINITION OF THIS IS JUST FOR COMMERCIAL.
THIS ISN'T INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL.
IT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT MINIMUM SIZE THAT IT'S LOOKING AT OR, YOU KNOW, TH THERE'S DIFFERENT PERCENTAGES OF COVERAGE ON DIFFERENT PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT TYPES.
SO, OR BUILDING TYPES OR LOT TYPES, EXCUSE ME, THAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR.
AND SO IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE ON HOW THOSE TREES WOULD FIT IN THERE, CONTEXTUALLY, UM, AND YOU CAN'T JUST GO PUT IN HIGH RISE, LIVE OAKS EVERYWHERE.
UM, AND MY UNDERSTANDING REVERT TO ANYWAY.
SO I ALMOST AM OF THE OPINION THAT THIS JUST MAYBE NEEDS TO BE FLUSHED OUT, UM, WORKSHOPPED, UM, POTENTIALLY MAYBE THE BEST STEP AT THIS POINT IS TO, WE CAN JUST, WE CAN TABLE THIS.
UM, WE RECOMMEND, WELL, I WOULD ALMOST RATHER AT THIS POINT WE WOULD JUST, WE CAN DELAY IT.
WE CAN OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE ON WITH THE OTHER, THE OTHER EDO AMENDMENTS.
UH, THIS WAS A LITTLE WE'LL, WE'LL DELAY IT.
WE CAN BRING IT BACK TO YOU, UH, NEXT MONTH WITH KIND OF REFINING SOME OF THESE ITEMS, YOU KNOW, AND WE'LL RE LISTEN TO EVERYTHING AND MAKE SURE WE'RE CAPTURING IT ALL.
UM, AND THEN MAYBE TALKING OFFLINE AS WELL, UM, TO COME BACK WITH, UH, WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, A PLAN THAT HAS SOME OF THOSE ITEMS IN THERE.
CAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO BRING FORWARD, UM, SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS ARE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH AND THAT TOWN COUNCIL WILL BE COMFORTABLE WITH AS WELL.
SO, SO IF I'M HEARING YOU RIGHT, THE BEST THING TO DO WITH, TO BE, TO HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE FOR FURTHER FLESHING OUT OF THE 15 TREES VERSUS CALIPER ANSWERS THIS YEAR.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ITEM SEVEN ADOPTION OF 2022 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING DATES.
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO THIS LAST MONTH.
UM, SO WE HAVE TWO ITEMS, UM, FOR YOU, UH, TYPICALLY THIS HAPPENS IN DECEMBER, UH, WE'RE NOW INTO JANUARY, WE DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO GET TO THIS, UH, IS THE ADOPTION OF THE MEETING DATES FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
HOPEFULLY EVERYONE HAS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO LOOK, UH, LOOK THROUGH THESE, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, JUST LET US KNOW, BUT WE'RE JUST LOOKING, UH, FOR THAT RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE FOR.
I WAS LOOKING AT THE CALENDAR.
UM, WOULD IT MAKE MORE SENSE TO PUT THE DECEMBER 21ST UP TO DECEMBER 14TH? IT'S STILL FOUR WEEKS AFTER NOVEMBER 16TH AND IT JUST GETS IT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AWAY FROM CHRISTMAS AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT, THAT MEANS THE JANUARY MEETING WOULD BE SIX WEEKS LATER.
SO MAYBE THE JANUARY MEETING SHOULD BE MOVED UP ONE WEEK TO FOUR WEEKS, FIVE WEEKS, FIVE WEEKS.
SO THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE, UH, YOU'RE SAYING DECEMBER, NOVEMBER FOR A SECOND.
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THE 16TH CAUSE THE THANKSGIVING CORRECT.SO FOUR WEEKS LATER ON THE 14TH.
AND THEN FIVE WEEKS LATER ON THE 18TH AND THEN IT WOULD GO BACK AND DO A SPRINKLER CYCLE, UNLESS YOU THINK SIX WEEKS BETWEEN MEETINGS.
CAUSE THE HOLIDAYS WOULD BE FINE.
UM, I'VE I MEAN, I'M UM, I'M JUST, UH, I'M SORRY, I'M JUST THINKING THROUGH HERE.
WE'VE GOT, WE LOOK AT THESE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT ENCROACHING INTO ANY OTHER, UH, COMMITTEES MEETING, TIMEFRAMES TOWN COUNCIL, UH, SOMETIMES HAVING MEETINGS.
UM, SO THAT WAS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAD.
THEY FORGET JANUARY, I GUESS, JUST THE LET'S FOCUS ON THE DECEMBER.
CAUSE THAT JANUARY, OBVIOUSLY, AS WE GET CLOSER INTO DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR, WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AGAIN.
UM, BUT IF YOUR, YOUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE DECEMBER 14TH AND THAT THAT'S JUST ME, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE REST OF YOU THOUGHT OKAY.
THE ONLY MEETINGS WE HAVE OUR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE, BUT THAT'S TRUE.
YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT US FOR SIX WEEKS.
UM, SO IF I UNDERSTAND, YOU'RE LOOKING TO, UH, APPROVE, UM, WITH THE CORRECTION OF DECEMBER INSTEAD OF DECEMBER 21ST WOULD BE DECEMBER 14TH AND THE SUBMISSION DATE WOULD GO BACK A WEEK AS WELL, CORRECT? YEAH.
AND WE'LL MAKE SURE TO GET THAT UPDATED AND THEN ACTUALLY HAVE IT APPROVED.
WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO EMOTION ON IT UP.
MAKE A MOTION, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING DATES FOR 2022 WITH THE CHANGE OF THE DECEMBER 21ST DATE TO DECEMBER 14TH AND THE APPLICATION DATE OF NOVEMBER 23RD TO SEVEN DAYS BEFORE THAT, THE 16TH OF NOVEMBER.
SO MOVED SECOND SEC, ALL THOSE, UH, DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.
AND THEN, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE, UM, THIS HAPPENS WEEKLY, UM, AS, UH, ITEMS DO COME UP.
SO, UM, IF THERE ARE ANY, ANY HOLIDAYS TYPICALLY THERE'S REALLY NO HOLIDAYS, UH, THAT WE SEE THAT ARE HAPPENING ON WEDNESDAYS.
HOWEVER, UM, IF THERE IS A HOLIDAY, WE WILL, UH, WE WOULD JUST MOVE IT, UM, ACCORDINGLY.
UM, SO WE JUST ASK THAT YOU JUST CONTINUE TO HAVE THE, THE DRC MEETINGS HELD ON, UH, EVERY WEDNESDAY AS NEEDED, UH, STARTING AT ONE, O'CLOCK ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO HOLD THE DRC MEETINGS DURING 22, EVERY WEDNESDAY STARTING AT 1:00 PM EASTERN TIME.
THE ONLY ITEM THAT I HAVE AS I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS MR. YOST, WAIT, WAIT, WELL, WE ALL GO FAVOR MR. YOS, LAST MEETING.
UM, I BELIEVE YOU'VE TAKEN A POSITION IN ORLANDO, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, SO WE'RE EXCITED TO HEAR THAT FOR YOU AND CONGRATULATIONS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMITMENT FOR ME.
AND YOUR COMMITMENT TO BLUFFTON FOR ALL THESE MANY YEARS, YOU DID GOOD WORK HERE.
ANY OTHER ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION? THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING FROM, FROM ONE TO FIVE.
AND UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MOTION TO ADJOURN? I HAVE A SECOND.
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THIS IS LARRY ROLAND, AND THIS IS A BUFORD COUNTY MOMENT.
ONE OF THE EXCITING ASPECTS OF COLOGNE, THE COLONIAL SEA ISLANDS WAS THE ARRIVAL OF NUMEROUS FREEBOOTERS AND PIRATES IN THIS AREA.
THE PIRACY AND THE CARIBBEAN WAS ESSENTIALLY ENDED IN 1713 WITH A TREE BETWEEN SPAIN AND ENGLAND.
BUT THE PIRATES WHO, UH, HAD INFESTED THE SPANISH MAIN FOR A HUNDRED YEARS, MOVED NORTH MANY, MOVED INTO THE BAHAMAS, MANY MOVED INTO THE SEA ISLANDS OF THE SOUTH CAROLINA COAST AND INTO THE OUTER BANKS OF NORTH CAROLINA IN THIS AREA, THE COMMON PIRATE HANGOUT WAS THE COAST OF NORTH CAROLINA, WHICH WAS LESS POPULATED AND LESS DEFENDED THAN EITHER THE SEA ISLANDS OR THE NORTH COAST OF SOUTH CAROLINA.
SO IN 17, 19 SOUTH CAROLINA, SUNDAY FLEET TO NORTH CAROLINA, WHICH CAPTURED STEVE BONNET AND SANK.
HIS VESSEL DROVE BLACK BEER NORTH INTO BEAUFORT, NORTH CAROLINA, WHERE VIRGINIANS CAPTURED HIS VESSEL AND KILLED BLACK BEARD.
AND HIS VESSEL QUEEN ANNE'S REVENGE IS BEING ARCHEOLOGICALLY RECOVERED OFF OF BEAUFORT, NORTH CAROLINA, AS WE SPEAK, UH, SOUTH OF CHARLESTON, THIS PLACE BECAME A VERY ACTIVE CENTER FOR A PRIVATEER WAR IN THE 1730S AND 1740S.
THAT WAS ESSENTIALLY A CONTEST BETWEEN THE SPANISH AND ST.
AUGUSTINE AND THE ENGLISH AND CHARLESTON DURING THE 1740S SPANISH PRIVATEERS INFESTED THIS COAST AND VIRTUALLY STOPPED THE MARITIME TRADE FROM PORT ROYAL, NEAR BUFORD AND FROM CHARLESTON HARBOR.
THE MOST NOTABLE OF THOSE SPANISH PRIVATEERS WAS FRANCISCO LORENZO.
HE CAPTURED MANY SOUTH CAROLINIANS IN HIS VOYAGES CAPTURED 56 ENGLISH VESSELS OFF THE COAST OF SOUTH CAROLINA IN THE SINGLE YEAR OF 1741.
BUT ALL OF IT, HIS PRISONERS, HE TREATED WELL WHEN HE WAS FINALLY CAPTURED BY SOUTH CAROLINA NAVAL FORCES IN LATE 1741, HE WAS TAKEN TO CHARLESTON AND THE POPULATION ASSEMBLED AND CHEERED HIM WHEN HE CAME TO SHORE BECAUSE HE HAD BEEN SUCH AN HONORABLE PIRATE.
IF THERE IS SUCH A THING, OTHER PIRATES, FRENCH AND SPANISH CONTINUED TO INVEST THE COAST FROM 1742 TO 1744.
AND THEN AGAIN FROM 1748 TO 1751, THE LAST SPANISH PIRATE DON JULIAN DE VEGA, UH, WAS HERE AS LATE AS 1760.
AND HE WAS CAPTURED BY SPANISH GARDA, KOSTAS, NOT ENGLISH COAST GUARD.
DURING THAT TIME, THE BUFORD TONY ANS AND THE CHARLESTONIANS BUILT TWO INLAND GALLEYS ROWED GALLEYS WITH HEAVY GUNS THAT COULD PROTECT THE INLAND FROM THE SPANISH AND FRENCH FREE BOOTS.
BUT BETWEEN 1739, WHICH IS THE BEGINNING OF THE WAR OF JENKINS EAR AND 1763, WHICH WAS THE TREATY OF PARIS THAT ENDED THE FRENCH AND INDIAN WAR.
THIS WAS AN ACTIVE AREA FOR PRIVATEERS AND PIRATES AND THEIR COUNTER FORCES, THE GALLEYS OF SOUTH CAROLINA AND GEORGIA.
THIS HAS BEEN A BUFORD COUNTY TO SEE MORE FOR COUNTY MOMENTS, GO TO THE BUFORD COUNTY LIBRARY HOMEPAGE AND CLICK ON THE LOCAL HISTORY TAB.
IT IS MY SINCERE PLEASURE TO WELCOME YOU TO THE RIBBON CUTTING CEREMONY FOR THE FIRST SHANKEN ROAD EMS STATION THAT WE BUILT.
UM, WE ARE HOPING TO BETTER SERVE THE COMMUNITY AND RESPONSE TIMES IN THIS AREA BY HAVING A STATION HERE.
AND WE JUST WANTED TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR COMING.
THE RESPONSE TIMES WILL BE REDUCED.
WE'RE RUNNING ABOUT 16,000 CALLS A YEAR, APPROXIMATELY 325 CALLS A WEEK.
SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO ADD STATIONS AND PERSONNEL IS GOING TO BETTER SERVE THE COMMUNITY BY HAVING US TO WHERE WE CAN GET TO PEOPLE'S HOUSES IN CRISIS, YOU KNOW, QUICKER RESPONSE TIME.
UM, I ALSO WANT TO THANK COUNTY COUNCIL FOR THEIR SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT AND FILL FOOT BECAUSE WITHOUT
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THEM, WE WOULD HAVE NEVER HAD THIS PROJECT COME OFF THE GROUND.SO AGAIN, WE WANTED TO THANK EVERYONE FOR THE CEREMONY COMING OUT.
WE KNEW IT WAS RAINING, SO WE WEREN'T SURE HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO COME OUT, BUT WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMING OUT IN THE WEATHER AND WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING TO SEE OUR NEW STATION.
I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE PHIL FOOT.
WHO'S THE, UM, THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SAFETY BILL.
THANK YOU FOR STOPPING THE RAIN LIKE I ORDERED.
UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT TODAY.
UM, THIS IS A BIG DAY FOR US AND B FOR COUNTY.
UH, I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY THAT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THOSE AND GETTING US TO THIS POINT.
UH, WE COULDN'T HAVE DONE THIS WITHOUT THE HELP OF EVERYBODY THAT ACTUALLY IS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, STANDING OUT THERE, UH, THAT IS WATCHING ON LIVESTREAM ON OUR FACEBOOK PAGE AND ON THE COUNTY CHANNEL, UH, THAT WASN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT HERE TODAY IN PERSON.
SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE THANK EVERYBODY THAT HAD A HAND IN PUTTING THIS STATION TOGETHER AND GETTING US TO THIS POINT RIGHT NOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SHOWN UP.
UH, THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT SUPPORT OUT HERE FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
UH, I'M THANKFUL FOR EVERYBODY THAT HAS SHOWN UP.
WE HAVE A LOT OF PARTNERS OUT THERE, UH, THAT PARTNER UP WITH US AT BEAVER COUNTY EMS, UH, OUR PERSONNEL, OUR MTS AND PARAMEDICS ARE OUTSTANDING PARAMEDICS AND EMT.
YES, THEY SERVE THE COMMUNITY WELL, AND WE'RE SO VERY PROUD OF THEM AND WITHOUT OUR TEAM.
AND I MEAN, OUR TEAM IS OUR PARTNERS.
THAT'S EVERYBODY THAT'S STANDING OUT HERE RIGHT NOW AND EVERYBODY THAT'S WATCHING.
UH, I LOOK OUT AND I SEE, UH, OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS FROM OUR FIRE DEPARTMENTS THAT WORK CLOSELY WITH US ON OUR MISSION, ALONG WITH OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES.
AND ONE OF THE PEOPLE I WANT TO THANK ALSO IS SOMEBODY THAT'S NOT SEEN AND THAT'S A BIG PART OF THE TEAM.
AND, UH, THAT'S OUR DISPATCHERS.
THEY TAKE ALL THE CALLS, BUT, UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T GET TO SEE THEM.
AND, UH, THEY'RE OUT THERE HELPING US EVERYDAY WITH THESE CALLS FOR SERVICE.
SO THEY'RE A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THIS TEAM TOO.
AND SO I WANT TO THANK THEM FOR EVERYTHING THEY DO EVERY DAY.
I'D BE REMISSED IF I DIDN'T POINT OUT A FEW PEOPLE OUT HERE, UH, ESPECIALLY MY SUPERVISOR.
SO, UH, MY INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS, MY SUPERVISOR, ERIC GREENWAY, UH, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR SUPPORT AND OUR INTERIM DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, ROBERT BETCHOLD WHO, UH, WITHOUT YOUR SUPPORT, WE WOULDN'T GET THESE THINGS DONE EVERY DAY.
ALSO, WE HAVE SOME CELEBRITIES OUT HERE.
UM, ONE OF THEM IS A FORMER DIRECTOR OF EMS, RUSTY HOLLINGS WORK.
I LIKE TO THANK HIM, UH, FOR HELPING GET THIS SYSTEM TO WHERE IT'S AT AND WITHOUT ANOTHER SPECIAL PERSON, UH, ED ALLEN, WHO WAS OUR FORMER EMS DIRECTOR, WHO WAS THE FORMER CORONER OF BUFORD COUNTY.
UH, I DON'T THINK THE EMS SYSTEM WOULD BE WHAT IT IS TODAY, IF IT WAS NOT FOR HIM.
SO IF EVERYBODY WOULD GIVE A BIG ROUND OF APPLAUSE, HE GOT US TO WHERE WE'RE AT.
SO, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
UH, I SEE A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE, I WISH I COULD HAVE TIME TO THANK EVERYBODY, BUT I DON'T WANT TO KEEP EVERYBODY BACK.
UH, BUT YOU KNOW, I DO SEE REPRESENTATIVES FROM ALL THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS ARE OUT HERE.
UH, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, LAW ENFORCEMENT, UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING TODAY AND SUPPORTING US AND THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING US EVERY DAY.
AS WE DO OUR JOBS EVERY DAY, IT'S, IT'S A TOUGH BUSINESS AND, UH, WE CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT THE TEAMWORK THAT WE HAVE WITH EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTY.
AND SO THIS IS REALLY A STATION FOR EVERYBODY.
AND, UM, THIS STATION IS NOT JUST A STATION.
IT'S A TESTAMENT TO GEAR FOR COUNTY COUNCIL'S COMMITMENT TO THE CITIZENS AND VISITORS OF BEAVER COUNTY, UH, THAT THEY WANT US TO PROVIDE THE BEST POSSIBLE SERVICE TO OUR CITIZENS.
AND WE COULDN'T DO THAT WITHOUT GETTING STATIONS LIKE THIS ONLINE AND HAVING THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO DO THAT.
SO I REALLY LIKE TO THANK COUNTY COUNCIL FOR THEIR EVERYDAY SUPPORT.
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HAVING PUBLIC SAFETY DIVISION, UM, HELPFUL.WHEN WE GO THROUGH OUR COUNTY COUNCIL AND ASK FOR FUNDING, UH, THEY'RE ALWAYS THERE TO SUPPORT US AND WE THANK THEM FOR THAT.
AND BEFORE I RELINQUISH, I WANT TO TURN IT OVER TO, UM, OUR COUNTY COUNCIL MEMBER FOR DISTRICT ONE, WHICH THIS STATION IS IN.
UH, SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW, AND SOME OF YOU MAY NOT KNOW COUNCILMAN DAWSON WAS A PARAMEDIC FOR BEAVER COUNTY EMS. AND SO, UM, HE DOES HAVE A SPECIAL TIE WITH US AND THAT'S ALSO VERY IMPORTANT.
AND SO WE'RE VERY THANKFUL THAT HE'S HERE, UH, TO BE PART OF THIS GRAND OPENING.
AND SO WE'RE VERY THANKFUL THAT, UH, HE'S GOING TO SPEAK AND I'M GOING TO GET OUT OF THE WAY.
SO THANK YOU ALL AGAIN FOR COMING TODAY.
AND, UH, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO COUNCILMAN GERALD DAWSON OF DISTRICT ONE.
GOOD MORNING TO EVERYONE THIS MORNING AS THE CONZIE CONNIE COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE FOR DISTRICT ONE, I WANT TO THANK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU FOR BEING IN ATTENDANCE THIS MORNING, UH, AS WE CELEBRATE THE GRAND OPENING OF THE SHANKLIN EMS STATION, DUE TO THE CONTINUED GROWTH IN THE COUNTY PLANNING FOR THIS NEW FACILITY STARTED IN 2014, UH, FOR ONE OF THE NEW STATIONS IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY.
AND ONE IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY.
UH, THIS FACILITY HAS BEEN, UH, COMPLETED FIRST, WHAT THE OTHER AND THE SOUTHERN COUNTY TO COME ON LATER IN THE FALL OF THIS YEAR, THE STATION WAS DESIGNED BY COURT ATKINS AND CONSTRUCTED BY A FRAZIER CONSTRUCTION THAT BUFORD COUNTY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT PROVIDED FOR OUR PROJECT MANAGEMENT.
SO WE WOULD LIKE TO THANK, UH, ANDREA ATHERTON AND WEST CAMPBELL AND, UH, BRITTANY FIELDS.
LET'S GIVE THEM A HAND IF YOU WILL.
THIS STATION WILL BE MANNED 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, 365 DAYS A YEAR.
UH, IT WILL HOUSE ONE AMBULANCE, UH, WITH TWO CREW MEMBERS AND A QUICK RESPONSE, UH, VEHICLE, UH, BETTER KNOWN AS A QR V.
AND THERE WILL BE ONE CREW MEMBER TO THAT, UH, QR V THE FACILITY AND THE CREWS WILL BE A GREAT ADDITION FOR RESPONDING TO MEDICAL EMERGENCIES FOR ALL CITIZENS AND VISITORS OF BUFORD COUNTY.
THIS STATION WILL PROVIDE SERVICE TO MEDICAL 9 1 9 1 1 CALLS FROM HIGHWAY 21, UH, TO THE INTERSECTION OF HIGHWAY 17.
UH, ONE 70 DID JOE FRAZIER ALL THE WAY OUT TO LAUREL BAY AND FROM HIGHWAY 21 TO BRUCE CASE SMALLS DRIVE ON BEHALF OF BUFORD COUNTY COUNCIL, MYSELF INCLUDED, WE WOULD LIKE TO THANK EACH AND EVERY STAFF MEMBER OF EMS AND EVERY EMS PERSONNEL FOR EVERYTHING THEY DO TO SAVE LIVES EVERY DAY AND PROVIDE THE BEST MEDICAL SERVICE TO ALL THE CITIZENS AND VISITORS OF BUFORD COUNTY.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK, UH, OUR DIRECTOR OF EMS, UH, MS. DONNA ONB FOR HER LEADERSHIP.
ON A HISTORICAL NOTE, UM, THIS FACILITY HAS BEEN BUILT NEAR THE GROUNDS OF, UH, WHAT IS KNOWN AS THE PORT RAW AGRICULTURAL SCHOOL LATER RENAMED AS THE BUFORD COUNTY TRAINING SCHOOL, BUT CURRENTLY KNOWN AS THE OLD SHANKLIN SCHOOL.
THIS AREA REPRESENTS THE RICH HISTORY OF BUFORD COUNTY AND ITS RESIDENTS, THE HISTORICAL MARKER, WHICH IS OUR FRONT OVER HERE, UH, HISTORICAL MARKER, NUMBER 50, UH, DEDICATING THIS AREA AS A SIGNIFICANT HISTORICAL MARKER.
UM, AS I SAID, IS LOCATED OUT FRONT FOR ALL THE CITIZENS AND VISITORS TO READ OF THE HISTORY AND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE OLD SHANKMAN SCHOOL THAT WAS, UH, ON THE SITE NEAR HERE, BUFORD COUNTY EMS BEGAN IN 1974.
IT WAS HOUSED AT DIFFERENT MEMORIAL HOSPITAL, SERVING THE RESIDENTS AND VISITORS OF DIFFERENT COUNTY AS THE POPULATION GREW.
SO DID EMS ADDING MORE EMPLOYEES AND AMBULANCES TRUSTEES QUICKLY PLACED THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY HOUSE WITHIN LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENT? HOWEVER, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS DAY IS THAT WE ARE HERE CELEBRATING
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THE GRAND OPENING OF THIS NEW FACILITY, WHICH IS THE FIRST STANDALONE EMS STATION IN THE COUNTY THAT HASN'T BEEN SAID, LET US PREPARE NOW FOR THE RIBBON CUTTING AND OFFICIALLY OPENED THIS NEW S A NEW EMS STATION.BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT, LET ME SAY A PRAYER BLESSING, THE FACILITY AND THE, UH, EMPLOYEES THAT WILL HOUSE THIS, LET US PRAY IF YOU WILL, MOST HOLY AND EVERLASTING GOD FATHER.
WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR LOVING KINDNESS.
WE THANK YOU A GOD FOR YOUR SAVING GRACE THROUGH YOUR BELOVED SON, JESUS, THE CHRIST.
WE THANK YOU FOR AWAKENING US THIS MORNING AND ALLOWING US TO ASSEMBLE HERE THIS MORNING TO CELEBRATE THE GRAND OPENING OF THIS SHANKLIN EMS STATION.
WE ASK YOUR BLESSINGS NOW ON THE PUMP, THIS STATION AND ALL THE EMPLOYEES THAT WILL BE HOUSED IN HERE, THAT YOU WILL FATHER GOD WILL PROVIDE SAFETY AND, UH, FELLOWSHIP AND COMMUNION AMONGST THEIR EMPLOYEES THAT THEY FOLLOW GOD WILL BE STRENGTHENED AND ENCOURAGED TO GO FORTH AND DO THE WORK THAT THEY HAVE BEEN ASSIGNED TO DO IN JESUS NAME.
I'M A PARAMEDIC WITH BEEFER COUNTY EMS, AND WE ARE AT THE NEWS SHANKLIN STATION, SHANKLIN EMS STATION.
THAT'S A STANDALONE STATION BRAND NEW FOR EMS FOR BEAVER COUNTY.
COME ON IN, WE'LL SHOW YOU AROUND.
SO OUR FUTURE GOAL POST COVID IS FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO COME IN AND HAVE WHAT WE CALL BLOOD PRESSURE CHECKS AND SIMPLE MEDICAL CHECKS.
AND THIS WAS WHAT THIS WILL ROOM WILL BE DEDICATED TO IN THE FUTURE.
THE REST OF THE STATION WILL BE CLOSED OFF FROM THE PUBLIC BY THE STORE TO ALLOW US PRIVACY AND ALLOW US TO CONDUCT OUR BUSINESS THAT WE NEED TO, AS FAR AS FINISHING REPORTS AND GETTING READY FOR TRAINING AND THAT SORT OF THING FOR OUR NEXT CALL.
SO COME TAKE A LOOK AT OUR LIVING SPACES.
SO THE GREAT THING ABOUT THIS STATION IS EVERYTHING IS INDIVIDUALIZED AND THE INDIVIDUAL BUNK ROOMS, THE OLD STATIONS USED TO BE A COMBINED BUNK FROM WHERE EVERYBODY SLEPT TOGETHER.
SO THE INDIVIDUAL BUNK ROOMS WILL GIVE US TIME TO DECOMPRESS FROM CALLS.
IF WE HAPPEN TO HAVE A VERY BAD PAUL.
AND ALSO IT GIVES US SOME PRIVACY WITH COVID RESTRICTIONS AS WELL.
RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE OUR SPACING HERE TO SEPARATE FROM OUR FELLOW EMPLOYEES AT NIGHTTIME TO SLEEP GOING GREEN.
WE HAVE A BOTTLE THAT REFILLS AT THE WATER STATION HERE.
SO WE'RE ALWAYS ABOUT RECYCLING AND BUFORD COUNTY.
AND THEN THIS IS OUR COMMON AREA HERE WHERE WE SIT DOWN, WE HAVE OUR TV, UM, FOR STAYING UP-TO-DATE ON THE NEWS AND TRAINING VIDEOS THAT WE CAN DO.
AND THEN WE HAVE A COMMON KITCHEN AREA IN HERE.
UH, PART OF PAR STATION EMS LIFE IS THAT WE SIT DOWN AND WE HAVE MEALS TOGETHER.
AND SO THIS SPACE ALLOWS US TO DO THIS.