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ON JANUARY 27TH, I'D LIKE TO CALL THEM AD HOC BLUFFTON GROWTH COMMITTEE MEETING TO ORDER.
UM, JOINING US TODAY, WE HAVE MAYOR LISA SOCA, UH, REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON.
UM, HEATHER, COLIN, I BELIEVE IS HOW YOU SAY IT.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, ANGELA MIDDLETON, AND DR.
TINA QUADS, UH, AND STAFF MEMBERS FROM THE DISTRICT, ROBERT AND CAROL CRUTCHFIELD.
SO CAN WE BEGIN WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PLEASE? WE ALSO HAVE STEVEN KIM, THE IDENTIFY STEPHEN OR STEPHANIE, IS THAT STEVEN FROM, IS THAT THE TOWN MANAGER? MAYBE HE, HE MIGHT BE MUTED.
THANK YOU, STEVEN, FOR JOINING US.
NICE TO HAVE YOU, OF COURSE, GLAD TO BE HERE.
SO LET'S BEGIN WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
ROBYN, CAN YOU BRING UP THE VIRTUAL FLAG FOR US? SORRY.
UM, START, WHERE ARE WE? PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
ITEM B IS THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA? MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE AGENDA FOR TODAY.
THE MOTION HAS BEEN MADE BY MS. SECONDED BY DR.
UM, ANY COMMENTS ON THE AGENDA SEEING NONE CALL FOR THE VOTE? AYE.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS TODAY? NO, MA'AM WONDERFUL.
THE NEXT ITEM IS ITEM D THE APPROVAL OF THE NOVEMBER 22ND, 2021 COMMITTEE.
WE APPROVE THE NOVEMBER 22ND, 2021 COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES.
IT, I I'M GOING TO ABSTAIN BECAUSE I WASN'T A COMMITTEE MEMBER THEN, ALTHOUGH I DID ATTEND THE MEETING.
UH, WE DO HAVE, UH, A LITTLE SWAP THERE OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS NOW WITH, UH, DR.
GWAS JOINING US, UM, WHICH IS GREAT.
SHE'S ABOVE LEFT AND REPRESENTATIVE.
UM, AND COLONEL GEIER HAS GONE ON TO OTHER COMMITTEES.
SO, UH, IF THERE IS NO OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE.
AND NEXT STEP FOR THE MAIN EVENT FOR TODAY'S MEETING, WE HAVE ITEM E, WHICH IS THE DISCUSSION WITH HEATHER COLONY ASSISTANT TOWN MANAGER, WITH THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON.
SHE HAS THE GREAT REPORT FOR US.
WE ALSO HAVE, UM, THE MAYOR AND TOWN MANAGER WITH US TODAY TO ASSIST WITH ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE, UM, AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL.
UM, SO I AM GOING TO LET YOU GUYS TAKE THE WHEEL THERE ON THE REPORT, AND I'M JUST GOING TO ASK, I W I'M ON HOTEL WIFI.
AND SO I WASN'T, I CAN'T GET IT TO PULL UP ON MY COMPUTER HERE, BUT ROBIN, IF YOU COULD JUST SAY DILIGENT, LIKE YOU ALWAYS DO AND GOING THROUGH THAT WOULD BE MUCH APPRECIATED.
SO YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND, UM, UPDATE EVERYBODY ON THIS GREAT PRESENTATION.
CAN YOU ALL, I HAVEN'T SHARED MULTIPLE SCREENS IN A WHILE.
DO YOU SEE BLUFFTON HEARD OF A LOW COUNTRY? DISMAYED.
SO YOU ALL HAVE HEARD THIS PRESENTATION IN THE PAST, JUST UPDATED NUMBER.
SO BASICALLY JUST KIND OF A SNAPSHOT OF THE DEVELOPMENT WE'VE BEEN SEEING PERMIT TRENDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IF STOP ME AT ANY TIME OR, YOU KNOW, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND MARISOL GUT AND TELL MANAGER STEVEN CSR ON TOO.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A SNAPSHOT OF WHAT WE ARE, HOW BIG, HOW WE'VE GROWN.
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SENTENCES NUMBERS, UM, FOR THE BREAKDOWN, BUT THIS AGAIN JUST SHOWS OUR MEDIAN AGE 37 AND A HALF.SO PROBABLY LOTS OF FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN AND AFFECTS THE SCHOOLS RELATED TO THIS, UM, PRESENTATION.
BUT AGAIN, JUST WHERE WE'RE AT 54 SQUARE MILES, UM, HAD A COUPLE OF SMALL, UH, ANNEXATIONS, BUT STILL ABOUT 54 SQUARE MILES AND STILL 92% OF THAT LAND IS ALL WITHIN.
I'M ONLY SEEING THE BLUFFTON HARD TO DEAL.
NOT ON THIS SCREEN, BUT LET ME TRY.
RIGHT? LET ME STOP IT AND PULL IT BACK UP.
AND IT WAS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE TO WORK THE FIRST TIME.
I'M JUST GOING TO MANUALLY GO THROUGH THIS.
I'M JUST GOING TO MANUALLY GO THROUGH IT.
SO LIKE I SAID, 54 SQUARE MILES, 92% STILL WITHIN DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS.
UM, SO ALL OF THAT'S PLAN, WE KNOW WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO BE MINUS SOME AMENDMENTS, UM, APPROVED BY TOWN COUNCIL ALONG THE WAY.
YOU'VE SEEN THIS SLIDE BEFORE THIS SHOWS HOW WE'VE GROWN.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE PINK, THAT BRIGHT PINK AREA, PALMETTO BLUFF, UM, BACK IN 2000, CONTINUING ON WITH BUCK WALTER AREA, THIS RIGHT OVER HERE IS OLD TOWN TO GIVE YOU KIND OF PERSPECTIVE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE ADDITION IS THAT PINK CONTINUES TO GROW OVER THE YEARS.
THIS IS OUR LAST MOST RECENT ANNEXATION, A LITTLE PIECE HERE ST.
UM, WE DO GET A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
THOSE DONUT HOLES THAT THE WHITE AREAS ARE UNINCORPORATED BUFORD COUNTY.
SO SOMETIMES PEOPLE THINK I LIVE IN BLUFFTON.
THEY LIVE IN THE BLUFFTON REGION, BUT THERE IS THIS HANDY TOOL ON OUR WEBSITE THAT YOU CAN PUT IN YOUR ADDRESS.
AND THEY'LL TELL YOU IF YOU ARE WITHIN THE TOWN LIMITS OR NOT THE 92% OF THE LAND, THIS IS ALL THE LAND THAT'S LOCATED WITHIN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO ALL OF THIS ORANGE, THIS GRAY IS WHAT IS MORE TRADITIONAL ZONING.
SO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, RESIDENTIAL GENERAL DISTRICT, UM, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THIS YEAR OUTLINES ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO WE HAVE LEFT IN VILLAGE BUCK, WALTER JONES, A STATE COMING UP, LOVE THE SCHULTZ TRACK, WHICH IS THE BLUFFTON PARK AREA VILLAGE FOR DEER, WHICH IS SEA GRASS, STATION AREA, NEW RIVERSIDE.
SO THIS OUTLINES, UM, ALL OF THAT INFORMATION.
SO HOW BIG IT IS, THE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS, THE COMMERCIAL AREA, AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC DEDICATION.
SO THIS IS WHAT WAS INITIALLY APPROVED.
SO MANY OF THE AGREEMENTS HAVE, UM, PUBLIC DEDICATION, SO IT COULD BE AREAS FOR SCHOOL.
SO, UM, COULD BE PARKS, COULD BE RIGHT AWAY.
SO ALL OF THAT IS OUTLINED HERE.
SO THAT'S A CLEAR AGREEMENT OR CLEAR, UM, AGREEMENT WHEN EVERYTHING WAS ZONED.
THIS HERE IS A SNAPSHOT OF WHERE WE ARE TODAY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS.
AND WE SEPARATED OUT BY RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL OR NON-RESIDENTIAL IN THE OFFICE THAT COULD BE CIVIC, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO EACH OF THOSE DISTRICTS OR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AREAS THAT I STATED ARE LISTED WITH A DIFFERENT COLOR.
SO WE DID AN AVERAGE BUILD OUT.
SO YOU SEE BLUFFTON VILLAGE, WHICH IS 78% BUILD OUT.
I'M GOING TO BLUFF ONLY 18% BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL LEFT AND VILLAGE 84%, UM, PALMETTO BLUFF 29%.
AND WITH THAT, WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT ALTHOUGH LEFT AND VILLAGE IS AT 84% AND THEY HAVE REMAINING UNITS.
IT MAY NOT BE REALISTIC THAT THOSE UNITS ARE EVER BUILT.
SO IT'S, BUT THEY'RE STILL OUT THERE FLOATING.
UM, IT COULD BE USED, IT'S ESSENTIALLY A COMMODITY THERE THERE'S OPTIONS WHERE THEY CAN BE TRANSFERRED.
ALL OF THAT DOES TAKE APPROVAL BY TOWN COUNCIL.
SO IF THEY DO ASK FOR ANY CHANGES THAT DOES HAVE TO HAPPEN, UM, YOU'LL SEE HERE AT VILLAGE AT STATION 98% BUILD OUT FROM OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM THERE, IT'S NOT REALISTIC THAT THOSE UNITS THAT ARE STILL OUT THERE WILL EVER BE BUILT, HOWEVER, THEY'RE STILL THERE.
SO, UM, TECHNICALLY THEY EXIST IN FOLKS, BUT OVERALL WE'RE ABOUT 52% BUILD OUT.
AND I WILL ALSO SAY IT CAN GET A LITTLE BIT COMPLICATED IN THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BUILD OUT, THAT COULD BE, YOU MAY NOT ACTUALLY SEE A HOUSE BUILT, BUT IT MAY BE AN APPROVED SUBDIVISION.
SO STAFF REFERS TO THAT IS IT'S, IT'S USED, THERE'S GOING TO BE HOUSES FOUR SEASONS, UM, THEIR CYPRESS RANGE OVER THERE AT NEW RIVERSIDE.
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OF THOSE ARE UTILIZED UNITS.UM, EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY NOT SEE A HOUSE BEING HOUSE BUILT, THERE, THERE IS A SUBDIVISION THERE'S A LOT IN A HOUSE WILL COME THIS YEAR, IS ALL THE NUMBERS FOR EACH OF THOSE AGREEMENTS, UM, THAT I JUST OUTLINED.
SO WE DO THE BUILD-OUT PERCENTAGE AS WELL AS THAT UTILIZED, UM, UTILIZING, UH, AGAIN, IT GETS A LITTLE BIT COMPLICATED, BUT WE TRY TO PAINT THE PICTURE AS FAR AS WHAT'S COMING AND WHAT'S ALREADY USED VERSUS WHAT'S BUILT, AND YOU'LL SEE THE BUILDING PERMITS HERE.
THERE'S ALSO, UM, UNITS THAT ARE RETIRED, SO TO SPEAK OR TRANSFERRED TO THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS BANKS THAT COULD BE USED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY RETIRED OR INSPIRED, BUT THEY'RE KIND TO PUSH TO THE SIDE, LIKE A SAVINGS BANK OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS.
SO THOSE ARE UNITS TO THAT ARE THERE, BUT THEY'RE NOT LIKELY TO BE BUILT.
AND IF THEY ARE GOING TO BE BUILT AGAIN, IT TAKES TOWN COUNCIL ACTION TO PULL THEM OUT OF THE BANK.
AND THAT YOU'LL SEE RIGHT HERE.
SO WHAT WE TRY TO DO AGAIN, THERE'S ALL THOSE NUMBERS AS FAR AS NUMBER OF UNITS, BUT WHAT'S REALISTIC.
HOW DOES THAT LINE UP WITH POPULATION? SO OUR POPULATION RIGHT NOW, UM, BASED ON THE LAST CENSUS IS A LITTLE BIT OVER 27,000, EQUATING THAT TO HOUSING UNITS.
WE'RE AT A LITTLE BIT OVER 11,000, ACCORDING TO THE CENSUS, WE MATCH THAT UP WITH THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AGREEMENT SUMMARY IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THAT.
HOWEVER, THERE'S ALL THE OTHER, UM, THINGS THAT MAKE BLUFFTON UNIQUE IN THAT THERE, THIS DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR SAY, UM, SECOND HOMES, RETIREE HOMES, THEY'RE ALL CONSIDERED A HOUSING UNIT, BUT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY, THEY MAY NOT EQUATE IN THAT POPULATION CATEGORY AND THEY MAY NOT HAVE CHILDREN IN SCHOOLS OR USE THOSE THINGS, THOSE SAME SERVICES.
WE ALSO HAVE, UM, RETIREMENT COMMUNITIES AND AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITIES.
WE HAVE THE HAVEN AND WE HAVE A FOUR SEASONS AT CYPRESS RIDGE WHO RIGHT NOW OUR MARKETING AND OUR BUSINESS PLAN IS FOR 55 AND OVER IT'S A HOME.
SO IT'S CONSIDERED A DWELLING UNIT.
UM, THERE'S NO DIFFERENTIATION AGAIN BECAUSE IT'S THEIR BUSINESS MODEL, NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING WE REGULATE, BUT WE DO TRY TO KEEP TRACK OF THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE AGAIN, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT NEEDS, UM, DIFFERENT PRESSURES ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THIS HERE SHOWS YOU HOW MANY UNITS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OVER 900, 914 RIGHT NOW, ALSO COMMUNITY AND PALMETTO BLUFF THAT'S SPECIFICALLY, EXCUSE ME, TARGETED FOR THAT 55 AND OVER AGE GROUP.
AGAIN, DOESN'T MEAN THAT MAY NOT CHANGE IN THE FUTURE IF THEIR BUSINESS MODEL CHANGES.
BUT RIGHT NOW IT ACCOUNTS TO ALMOST A THOUSAND UNITS GOING THROUGH SOME MORE, EVERY MONTH WE PRESENT A REPORT TO TOWN COUNCIL AND THE CONSENT AGENDA.
SO IF YOU'RE EVER WANT TO LOOK AT IT EVERY MONTH, IT'S UPDATED MONTHLY, LOTS OF INFORMATION AND STATISTICS AND NUMBERS IN THERE.
BUT ONE THAT I THOUGHT WOULD BE HELPFUL IS BUILDING PERMITS.
SO ONCE THEY DECIDE THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A HOME IN THAT PERMIT CAN STAY ACTIVE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.
THERE'S ANOTHER STATISTICS WITH CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, WHICH MEANS IT'S READY TO BE MOVED IN, BUT THIS KIND OF JUST SHOWS YOU WHERE WE'RE AT IN TERMS OF BUILDING PERMITS AND NEW SINGLE FAMILY IS THIS BLUE RIGHT HERE.
SO WE'RE SEEING, WE'RE STILL SEEING, UM, A LOT OF NEW SINGLE FAMILY.
HOWEVER, AGAIN, AS WE BECOME MORE BUILD OUTS, EVENTUALLY THAT'LL PROBABLY SWITCH FROM NEW BUILDING PERMITS TO RENOVATIONS AND ADDITIONS AND OTHER THINGS.
THIS HERE IS ANOTHER ONE THAT I THOUGHT WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT BECAUSE THIS SHOWS IT BROKEN DOWN BY NEIGHBORHOOD.
I KNOW THE TEXT IS KIND OF HARD TO SEE ON THE BOTTOM HERE, BUT WE ALSO FOLLOW HOW MANY BUILDING PERMITS ARE ISSUED FOR EACH NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO YOU CAN MATCH THAT UP TO THE MAP.
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT FOUR SEASONS HERE, LIKE I JUST TALKED ABOUT, THEY HAVE, UM, 55 UNITS AND THEY'LL PASS YEAR AND A HALF.
SO YOU CAN SEE, SEE THAT THEY'RE BUILDING QUITE A BIT.
MILL CREEK STILL HAS A LOT OF UNITS.
UM, NO SURPRISE, UH, JONES TRACKS AREA OVER THERE NEAR NEW RIVERSIDE, AGAIN, BUILDING QUITE A BIT AS WELL AS PALMETTO BLUFF.
SO, AND THEN PALMETTO BLUFF, LIKE I SAID, IT COULD BE MANY SECOND HOMES, UM, HOMES WITHOUT CHILDREN, BUT AGAIN, YOU CAN'T NECESSARILY ASSUME.
SO THIS JUST SHOWS WHERE ALL THAT ACTIVITY IS, ALL THAT DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY IS TAKING PLACE.
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THESE THINGS THAT I KNOW WE'RE UPDATING OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THAT'S GETTING READY TO GO TO TOWN COUNCIL FOR WORKSHOP IN APRIL.AND I KNOW WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A WHILE AND TRYING TO HELP.
BUT ONE THING I KNOW IS WE LOOK AT THE MAP AND AREAS AND THE PROJECT SHEETS THAT YOU ALL HAVE IS WHERE NEW SCHOOLS AND VISITED AND DECONSTRUCTED.
HOW CAN WE HELP WITH THAT? EITHER GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION ON WHERE THEY COULD BE BUILT OR WHAT WOULD MEET YOUR NEEDS? YOU KNOW, SO WHAT ARE YOUR PARAMETERS, HOW MUCH LAND WHAT'S, UM, WHAT ARE SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU NEED AS FAR AS LOCATING ANY OF YOUR NEW FACILITIES OR ADDITIONS TO YOUR FACILITIES, AND THEN TO YOU, I SHOWED YOU THOSE DONUT HOLES.
WE DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION FOR ALL THOSE LITTLE DONUT HOLE AREAS THAT ARE IN UNINCORPORATED BUFORD COUNTY, BUT WHAT, HOW DOES THEIR DEVELOPMENT AND THEIR PERMITS, UM, AND THINGS LIKE THAT COINCIDE WITH THE TOWNS.
SO IS IT THE SAME AS IT SLOWER? IS IT FASTER? IS IT A DIFFERENT PRODUCT? SO HOW DOES THAT, THAT COME INTO PLAY AND HAVE AN EFFECT ON THIS? AND THEN JUST IN GENERAL, WHAT, WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP AND HOW, HOW CAN WE COORDINATE, UM, YOU KNOW, COVID, OBVIOUSLY EVERYBODY KEEPS TALKING ABOUT, COVID SO TIRED OF TALKING ABOUT IT.
HOWEVER, IT HAS CHANGED EVERYTHING.
UM, WE USED TO GET TOGETHER AND TALK MORE WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETINGS, UM, WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, I BELIEVE Y'ALL STILL DO GET OUR AGENDAS AND WE TRY TO DO STAY IN TOUCH AND TALK AS PROJECTS MOVE FORWARD.
SO, UM, WE TRY TO CONTINUE TO COMMUNICATE.
I DON'T KNOW, AS IF NOW OVER THE PAST YEAR OR TWO, WE SEE WAYS THAT WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT.
UM, AS FAR AS AGAIN, HOW WE CAN WORK TOGETHER AND MAKE SURE AT LEAST WE HAVE THE INFORMATION, AS SOON AS WE CAN, AS SOON AS WE KNOW IT'S OUT THERE SET BETTER PLANS.
SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME THINGS THAT WE TRY TO KEEP TRACK OF.
AND AGAIN, THE SAME WITH THE DATA, AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO PULL OUT THOSE AGE-RESTRICTED COMMUNITIES, MAP IT OUT BETTER, BUT WHAT, WHAT INFORMATION CAN WE TRACK TO BETTER HELP YOU? ALL, SOME OTHER THINGS THAT I DO ALWAYS LIKE TO, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, BUT ALWAYS LIKE TO ADD TO THE PRESENTATIONS ARE WE HAVE A INTERACTIVE PERMITS MAP ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE, UNDER THE MAP GALLERY.
AND YOU'LL SEE HERE THESE LITTLE BLUE FLAGS, THIS IS AN OLDER MAP, JUST MEANT TO SHOW YOU WHAT WE HAVE.
YOU CAN CLICK ON EACH ONE OF THESE FLAGS.
AND IF I WAS REALLY TECH SAVVY, I COULD DO IT FOR YOU NOW, BUT I'M AFRAID I'D LOSE MY PRESENTATION.
SO YOU CAN CLICK ON THESE LITTLE BLUE FLAGS AND THAT ACTUALLY PULLS YOU INTO OUR PERMITTING SOFTWARE.
SO YOU SEE WHAT I SEE WHAT THEY PUT IN THE SYSTEM.
SO YOU'LL SEE WHO THE APPLICANT IS AND A DESCRIPTION OF WHAT IT IS THEY'RE REQUESTING.
SO IF YOU SEE ACTIVITY, UH, YOU KNOW, ALONG MAY RIVER ROAD AND IT'S AFTER HOURS AND YOU JUST CAN'T GET AHOLD OF TOWN AND JUST BE LIKE, CHECKING IT OUT, YOU CAN CLICK ON THAT BLUE FLAG AND GET ALL SORTS OF INFORMATION AND YOU CAN EVEN DRILL DOWN EVEN DEEPER AND SEE WHEN THEY HAD THEIR LAST INSPECTIONS AND WHETHER IT PASSED OR FAILED.
SO IT'S JUST A REALLY HANDY TOOL.
I ALWAYS LIKE TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WHERE YOU CAN FIND US.
UM, I KNOW CAROL KNOWS WHERE TO FIND ME ROBERT, BECAUSE WE'RE FINDING WE'RE HERE, BUT JUST ALL OF THE INFORMATION AND WE TRY TO LIKE, SO WE TRY TO GET AS MUCH INFORMATION OUT TO THE PUBLIC AS WE CAN, BECAUSE I KNOW EVERYBODY, MYSELF INCLUDED, WANTS TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF A SCREENSHOT AND A SNIPPET OF WHERE WE'RE AT IN TERMS OF NUMBERS.
I KNOW I DON'T EXPECT ANYBODY TO REMEMBER ANY OF THOSE NUMBERS I SHOWED, BUT I CAN GET THIS PRESENTATION TO YOU ALL SO THAT YOU HAVE IT.
UM, IF YOU DON'T ALREADY, AND IF YOU WANT ME TO GO TO BACK TO ANY SLIDES, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND I'M MARISOL CARD.
STEVEN, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD? I WOULD GO BACK TO THAT BUILDING PERMIT GRAPH.
I THINK THEY NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT TO ASK QUESTIONS FOR PURPOSES OF PLANNING.
I'M NOT, YEAH, THAT ONE, THIS WAS THE ONE I WAS TALKING TO DR.
WATTS LAST MONTH, WHICH AGAIN, BUFORD COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE A PERMIT SITE LIKE WE DO.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU FOR COUNTY HAS PERMITTED.
SO WE CAN ONLY JUDGE FOR THE TOWN THAT THE, THE GOOD IN ALL OF THIS, IF YOU SEE FROM 17 DOWN, WE ARE DECLINING A GREAT BIT BETWEEN 18, 19 AND 20.
AND LIKE, UM, COUNCIL HAS DISCUSSED, WE WERE INTERESTED IN 21 VERSUS 22.
CAUSE WE REALLY THINK 21 WAS KIND OF A KNEE JERK ANOMALY, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO GO UP BECAUSE WE JUST HAVE LESS TO BE PERMITTED.
I THINK 72%, THERE'S A PLUS THERE IS A PERCENTAGE OF UNITS THAT WILL NEVER BE USED UNLESS SOME HORRIBLE CATASTROPHE COMES IN AND WIPES OUT EVERYTHING AND WE REBUILD.
BUT, UM, THAT, THAT'S WHERE I WAS HEADED ON THE BUILDING PERMIT.
SO LET'S JUST BE SMART KNOWING WE ARE KIND OF AT A TIPPING POINT GOING DOWN AT LEAST FOR THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON.
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SO I JUST DIDN'T WANT EVERYONE NERVOUS, EVER, A 50, SOME PERCENT BUILT OUT.AND WHEN IT'S NOT COMMERCIAL, ISN'T GOING TO IMPACT THE SCHOOLS OTHER THAN HOPEFULLY THERE'S PEOPLE THAT WILL GIVE US SOME MONEY.
BUT THE RESIDENTIAL I THINK, IS WHAT Y'ALL NEED TO LOOK AT.
THAT WAS ALL I HAD TO SAY CAME OUT OF AMERICA.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WITH ANY QUESTIONS I DID WANT TO SEE, UM, IF CAROL OR ROBERT WANTED TO SPEAK TO THE, THE CONSIDERATION SLIDE WHERE IT INDICATED HOW MUCH LAND WAS NEEDED? UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO, TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION OR PROVIDE THEM MAYBE WITH SOME GUIDANCE ON THAT.
I KNOW IT'S DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON THE, UM, GRADE LEVELS.
UM, AND WILLIAM'S HANDS UP WHEN YOU GET A MOMENT.
WELL, BEFORE HE TALKS RACHEL, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL'S BEEN REALLY QUESTIONING SINCE THE PRESENTATION LAST MONTH WITH THIS NEW IMPACT, BE THE COUNTY AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS TALKING ABOUT MAINLY NUMBER ONE IS NUMBER ONE AND TWO ARE VERY IMPORTANT.
LIKE WHERE, WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO BE BUILT? UM, HEATHER DIDN'T MENTION IT, BUT I WILL, MAY RIVER CANNOT BE MAIN RIVERS, PROBABLY OVER THE NUMBER THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE.
THERE'S A NUMBER THAT IS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT MAY RIVER HIGH SCHOOL CANNOT GO OVER.
AND I THINK IT'S 1400 AND I THINK WE'VE SURPASSED THAT.
I THINK WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT NOW BECAUSE PAST SUPERINTENDENTS HAVE TALKED ABOUT PRE-K TO EIGHT IN THE MAY RIVER AREA, UM, AND OTHER SCHOOLS.
SO, UM, THAT'S ANOTHER CONSIDERATION I THINK, FOR EVERYONE TO CONSIDER.
THANK YOU, CAROL, IF I COULD JUST, UM, I THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
IT IS ACTUALLY IT'S 1800 STUDENTS IS THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF STUDENTS ON THAT LAND, THAT CAMPUS AND THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, CORRECT HOSPITAL, ANY, ANY FULL PERIOD, NOT JUST ONE SCHOOL, IT'S ALL SCHOOLS COMBINED.
THAT WOULD BE THEIR RIGHT HEATHER.
SO IF THERE WAS TO BE A K EIGHT FACILITY BUILT ON IN THE MAY RIVER AREA WHERE THE HIGH SCHOOL IS, IT'S 1800 FOR ALL FACILITIES THAT ARE IN THAT AREA.
AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS REALLY EVEN A PART OF THE PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY WHEN THAT PROPERTY WAS TRANSFERRED TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
AND AGAIN, I KNOW THINGS CAN ALWAYS BE CHANGED OR CONSIDERED FOR CHANGES, BUT THAT'S AT LEAST WHAT WE HAVE, UM, RIGHT NOW FOR THAT PROPERTY.
AND I ADD ON TO WHAT HEATHER AND THE MAYOR SAID WITH PROPERTY.
WE ARE, BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS THIS MORNING IS ALL OF OUR LARGE PROPERTIES ARE ABOUT DONE WITH DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
SO THE ONES THAT WE HAVE COMING IN, IF WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THE SCHOOL IS LOOKING FOR, THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO US, SO THAT AS WE DEAL WITH THE DEVELOPERS AND WE TALK ABOUT THE PUBLIC USES AND THE STUFF LIKE THAT, WE CAN KEEP THAT IN MIND AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WORKING TO HELP THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, IDENTIFY WHAT THEY NEED MOVING FORWARD.
UM, BEFORE I, BEFORE I CALL ON DR.
GUADALAJARA, MR. SMITH, UM, CAROL OR ROBERT, CAN YOU TELL, UH, HEATHER AND STEVEN, WHAT THE APPROXIMATE ANCHORAGE'S THAT'S NEEDED FOR EACH OF THOSE DIFFERENT GRADE LEVELS? OH, THAT'S OKAY.
I'LL JUST JUMP IN HERE REAL QUICK.
I, UH, FIRST WE JUST LIKE TO THANK THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON FOR THE PARTNERSHIP WE'VE ALWAYS HAD IN WORKING TOGETHER TO SOLVE A LOT OF THESE PROBLEMS. UM, SECOND, WE MAY NEED TO, UH, GET WITH YOU IN THE REGARDS TO THE MAY RIVER PROPERTY, BECAUSE THAT WAS RENEGOTIATED, UH, AS FAR AS OUR CONTRACT WITH, UH, CRESCENT PROPERTIES.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF THAT MADE IT THROUGH THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON, BUT OUR NEGOTIATIONS WITH, I BELIEVE IT WAS CRESCENT PROPERTIES AT THE TIME, UM, WAS RENEGOTIATED, WHICH DID ALLOW US TO MOVE UP TO 1800 AND ADD ADDITIONAL SCHOOLS TO THE PROPERTY.
SO HEATHER, WE, WE NEED TO PROBABLY TALK ON THAT.
UM, AND THEN, UH, IT JUST THE GENERAL, YOU KNOW, WHAT OSF SET AS THE GENERAL ACREAGE, WHICH THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
UM, TYPICALLY YOU'RE TALKING A HIGH SCHOOL IS 50 ACRES OR MORE YOU'RE TALKING TO MIDDLE-SCHOOL, UH, YOU'RE IN THE 25 ACRES, UH, TO SAY 35 AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON THAT, THAT, AND THEN ELEMENTARY, UH, YOU'RE IN THE 15 TO 25 ACRES.
UM, AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE AVAILABILITY OF THOSE SIZE PROPERTIES WITHIN THE BLUFFTON AREA, THERE
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ARE VERY, VERY, VERY FEW.UM, AND WE HAVE A LAND CONSULTANT ON BOARD THAT IS LOOKING INTO THAT.
UM, THE ONE THING THAT REALLY HAS ME INTERESTED ARE ALL THESE PROPERTIES YOU'RE SAYING THAT MAY NOT GET DEVELOPED AND, AND WHETHER OR NOT, UM, THEY, UH, HAVE USE, UH, AND WHETHER THEY COULD BE CONVERTED TO SAY A SCHOOL PROPERTY WITHIN THESE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, IF THERE IS NO PLAN TO DEVELOP THEM, THAT IS SOMETHING WE'D BE VERY INTERESTED IN AND, UH, WOULD LIKE TO GET OUR LAND CONSULTANT TO MEET WITH YOU AND TALK ABOUT THOSE.
SO IF THERE ARE ANY OPPORTUNITIES THERE, WELL, ACTUALLY, UM, I MAY HAVE MISSPOKE HER CLARA THAT WHEN WE SAY IT'S NOT, IT CAN'T BE BUILT.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE LAND, IT'S THE NUMBER OF UNITS.
SO WHEN THE LAND, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE LAND AND THEN YOU HAVE UNITS THAT YOU CAN TRANSFER IN.
SO THE LAND IS, COULD NOT SUPPORT.
FOR EXAMPLE, BLUFFTON PARK HAS LOTS OF HAS UNITS LEFT.
HOWEVER, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE APPROVED SUBDIVISIONS IN THE LAND, THE WAY IT'S ALL LAID OUT, THERE'S, THERE'S NOWHERE THAT THEY REALLY COULD GO.
YOU CAN ALWAYS KIND OF GO UP, BUT, UM, IT'S NOT REALISTIC.
SO WHEN I SAY THERE'S, IT, CAN'T, IT'S UNLIKELY THAT IT'S BUILT.
IT'S JUST BECAUSE THE LAND CANNOT SUPPORT IT ALL THE, ALL THE UNITS THAN THE NUMBERS THAT WERE TIED TO IT INITIALLY.
I MEAN, THERE MAY BE SOME AREAS, UM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF, LIKE STEVEN SAID, WE CONTINUE TO KIND OF EXPLORE AND TRY TO BRAINSTORM AND JUST GAS WHERE IT COULD NOT GUESS, BUT, YOU KNOW, AN EDUCATED, UM, YOU KNOW, GUESTS, SO TO SPEAK, IT WAS WHERE THEY COULD GO.
UM, BUT THOSE UNITS THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT ARE REALLY JUST KIND OF FLOATING OUT THERE.
THERE'S JUST NOWHERE TO PUT THEM WHAT'S THAT HELPS.
AND THEY'LL CALL ON YOU, MR. SMITH, ARE YOU THERE? OH YEAH, YEAH, I'M HERE.
I WAS GOING TO ASK, UH, CAN I GET A COPY OF THAT PRESENTATION? YEAH, I THINK IT CAN FOR DOCS ALSO, BUT, UM, HEATHER, IF YOU DON'T MIND EMAILING THAT, THAT'D BE WONDERFUL.
IT'S NOT IN BOARD DOCS YET, BUT HEATHER WAS GOING TO SEND IT TO ME AND THEN I WILL PLACE IT IN BOARD.
THAT'S ONCE I RECEIVE IT, I'LL SEND YOU A ONE DRIVE LINK BECAUSE THE FILE IS PRETTY LARGE.
THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION.
ALSO ZOOMING INTO THAT INFORMATION, BECAUSE ACTUALLY THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS AND YOU, SHE HAD ALREADY ANSWERED IT.
UM, THANK YOU, UH, TO THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON REPRESENTATIVES HERE, THE MAYOR, HEATHER AND STEVEN.
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
HEATHER, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT, UH, THE MAYOR COMMENTED ABOUT IS THE, UH, THE BUILDING PERMITS.
SO I THINK ONE THING THAT SEEMED TO BE MISLEADING AT THE BLUFFTON TOWN COUNCIL MEETING, AND I DON'T THINK IT WAS PURPOSEFUL BY ANYONE, AND I'M NOT SAYING IT WAS, I DON'T THINK IT WAS, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN NOR THE DISTRICT WAS THAT THESE, UH, THAT PERMITS FOR NEW BUILDINGS DIRECTLY CORRELATES WITH, UH, STUDENTS IN OUR SCHOOLS.
HOWEVER, IT LEAVES OUT ALL THE, ALL THE RESALES NOW, CAUSE RESALE CERTAINLY CAN HAVE CHILDREN COMING INTO THEM.
UM, AND I THINK WE, THAT'S SOMETHING WE MUST REMEMBER, ESPECIALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THERE'S BEEN A HUGE MIGRATION HERE TO THE, TO THIS AREA, UH, DURING THE PANDEMIC, ESPECIALLY FROM THE, UH, NORTHEAST.
SO, AND THEY'RE NOT ALL NECESSARILY BUILDING NEW HALE HOMES, BUT CERTAINLY SOME OF THEM HAVE CHILDREN.
SO I, I JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO JUST HANG OUR HAT THAT IF THE, IF, UH, THE SINGLE FAMILY MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL PERMITS, UH, IN THE LAST WHILE THEY WENT UP BETWEEN 20 AND 21, IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, AND WE DON'T EVEN HAVE OBVIOUSLY 22 WE'RE AT THE BEGINNING OF 22.
SO I'M NOT SURE HOW WE CAN DEFINITELY SAY THAT THE TREND IS DOWNWARD, UH, WHEN WE KNOW THE PANDEMIC KID AT THE END OF 19.
SO IT'S NOT SURPRISING, NOT A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL PERMITS WERE ISSUED IN 2020.
I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING ASSUMPTIONS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY ACCURATE.
AND I'M SURE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THIS CALL OR MEETING OBVIOUSLY REALIZE SCHOOL IMPACT FEES, UM, THAT THE, THE BOARD OF EDUCATION VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO GO FORWARD WITH ARE ONLY APPLIED TO, UH, NEW RESIDENTIAL, UM, UH, BUILDINGS AND TYPICALLY ARE APPLIED AT THE TIME OF THE PERMIT.
SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S SOME THERE'S, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT THERE TO BE,
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UH, THERE SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF A, I DON'T WANT TO SAY MISINFORMATION.THAT'S NOT, THAT'S A LITTLE HARSH, MAYBE.
I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT IN A BROADER PERSPECTIVE THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, THIS CHILDREN COMING TO OUR SCHOOLS IS BASED ON NEW, NEW BUILDING PERMITS.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S ACCURATE, BUT TINA ON THAT AND THERE, THE AGE MAY BE DIFFERENT, BUT USUALLY FAMILY, YOU KNOW, TWO STORY, FIVE BEDROOM HOMES HAVE A FAMILY AND IF THEY MOVE THE FAMILY, IS THAT LIKE A REPLACEMENT? SO I THINK THERE'S SOME KIND OF VALUE THAT TO PUT ON THAT MAYBE YOU SEE AN UPTICK IN MAYBE AN OLDER FAMILY LEAVES, CAUSE THE KIDS ARE NOW GONE TO COLLEGE, BUT THEY'VE GONE THROUGH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, BUT THEN A NEW FAMILY COMES IN.
UM, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF WHAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO AN AD WITH YOU.
I BELIEVE GROWTH SHOULD PAY FOR GROWTH.
UM, I DON'T, I DON'T NEED NEW SCHOOLS PERSONALLY, BUT YOU KNOW, THE NEW PEOPLE MOVING IN, MOST OF THEM DO NOT 2021 NUMBER.
I'D LOVE TO KNOW HOW MANY OF THOSE WERE ON THE AGE RESTRICTED 66.
DO WE KNOW THAT ARE THOSE SORA AND HOW MANY OF FOUR SEASONS, UM, IS THAT, BUT IT DOES GIVE YOU A BASIS TO SEE, WE HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF ROOFTOPS THAT WE CAN BUILD WHERE IT'S, THEY SAY 72% OF THAT NUMBER HAS BEEN BUILT AND APPROVED.
THAT LEAVES 28% IF WE'RE EXACT HAVE YET TO GO.
SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT FLIPPED.
THAT'S WHAT I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY.
WE'RE KIND OF AT A TIPPING POINT, NOT BACK WHEN IT WAS 2005, WE KIND OF SEE THE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL, I GUESS WAS NOT STATEMENT ON THAT.
AND COULD I PLEASE RESPOND? UH, YEAH, LET'S GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE PLEASE.
AND I JUST THINK WE REALLY HAVE TO REMEMBER, OKAY.
YES, THE GROSS IS RAMPED UP SINCE WE DON'T HAVE 2005 ON THIS SLIDE, BUT CLEARLY ON THIS SLIDE, 2010 TO 18 AND THEN 1920 WAS THE HUGE DROP-OFF, BUT WE'VE GOT AN EXPLANATION FOR THAT.
SO, UM, I JUST THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ENOUGH OF A, OF A, UM, GRAPH, UH, YOU KNOW, 20, 21.
WHAT'S THE TREND GOING TO BE NOW? YOU CAN'T REALLY TELL THIS.
AND I, I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IF, IF, UH, YOU KNOW, THE MORE THAT'S BUILT OUT THIS AS TIME GOES ON, THEY CAN'T BEAT AS MANY PERMITS ISSUED BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT THE AVAILABILITY.
UM, ONE OF THE THING, IF I CAN, THIS IS STEVEN.
UM, WE JUST COMPLETED A COMMUNITY SURVEY.
UM, WE HAD A GROUP DO IT FOR US.
UM, THE RESULTS CAME BACK WITH THE NUMBER OF THE PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE A CHILD UNDER THE AGE OF 18.
AND THE HOUSEHOLD WAS ABOUT 45% OF HOUSEHOLDS IN THE TOWN.
I THINK IT WAS 43, 45, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, FIND THE PRESENTATION SLIDE AND I'LL SHARE THAT.
GET HEATHER THERE, SHARE THAT WITH THE, UM, WITH THE POWER OF, UH, YOU HAD ASKED ABOUT THE NUMBERS, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S FOR 2021, UM, BILLING PERMIT DATA, 55 OF THOSE WERE AGE RESTRICTED.
AND I DON'T HAVE THE SORA WELLNESS CENTER BECAUSE THAT'S COMBINED WITH CAMINO BLUFF, BUT IT COULD BE AS MUCH AS 66.
SO IT'S BETWEEN 55 AND 121 OF THAT 858.
YEAH, SORRY, STEVEN, WHERE WOULD WE BE ABLE TO FIND THAT THE SURVEY RESULTS I'M INTERESTED, INTERESTED TO KNOW HOW MANY RESPONDENTS THERE WERE? AND SO WE, WE DID A, UH, CERTIFICATE CERTIFICATE SURVEY.
THERE WERE FOUR, THEY DID 400 AND THAT GOT THEM TO 95% STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT.
AND, UM, THEY DID SOME RANDOM, WE DID A PRESENTATION FROM THE CONSULTANT.
IT WAS AT OUR JANUARY WORK SESSION AND YOU CAN GO ON AND PULL THE ENTIRE PRESENTATION AND HEAR HIS COMMENTS AS WELL.
UM, BUT WE'LL BE, UM, PUTTING THE SURVEY ON THE WEBSITE OR SOME, UM, SOMEWHERE HERE SOON.
UM, WE JUST ARE GETTING THE FINAL DATA FROM THEM, AS WELL AS ALL THE COMMENTS AND ALL THAT, THAT WERE THE BACKUP DOCUMENTATION.
MY APOLOGIES, MR. CRUTCHFIELD, I SEE YOU HAVE YOUR HAND RAISED.
I WAS JUST GONNA CHIME IN AND KIND OF TALK ABOUT HOW WE DETERMINE WHAT FACILITY NEEDS ARE IN TERMS OF GROWTH.
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WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING PERMITS AS BEING CORRELATED OR A FACTOR TO GROWTH, YES, IT IS.IT'S ONE PIECE OF INFORMATION, BUT THAT IS NOT HOW WE DETERMINE WHAT WE THINK OUR NEEDS ARE GOING TO BE FOR FACILITIES AND STUDENT GROWTH.
SO WE, WE JUST, UM, PUT OUT OUR FACILITIES MASTER PLAN.
AND IN THAT, IN THE DEMOGRAPHIC SECTION, IT GOES INTO GREAT DETAIL ABOUT HOW WE CALCULATE PROJECTIONS.
AND SO IT TAKES A LOOK AT, UM, NEIGHBORHOODS AND WHAT THEY, HOW THEY ARE TRENDING.
GWARTZ HIS POINT ABOUT TURNOVER AND HOMES AND WHAT CHANGES WE'RE TRACKING THAT.
AND THAT GOES INTO THE MODEL THAT CALCULATES OUR PROJECTIONS BY LOOKING AT COHORT SURVIVALS, HOW MANY KIDS ARE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FROM ONE YEAR THAT ARE THERE THE NEXT YEAR AT THE NEXT GRADE UP.
SO BUILDING PERMITS IS A FACTOR IN THAT BECAUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN, IF YOU'RE SEEING A NEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S A WHOLE NEW SECTION THAT SUDDENLY GOT GROWTH.
AND SO THAT SORT OF CALCULATED INTO THAT MODEL IN THAT METHODOLOGY.
UM, SO AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S NOT BUILDING PERMITS ARE NOT HOW WE DECIDE IF WE NEED NEW SCHOOLS, WE HAVE A MODEL THAT TAKES THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
AND THAT WAY, BY LOOKING AT WHAT ACTUALLY SHOWS UP IN TERMS OF REAL STUDENTS HERE ON THE GROUND, BECAUSE TO THE POINT, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE 55 AND UP HOME.
SO HE CAN'T JUST TAKE THAT NUMBER AND SAY, OH, LOOK AT ALL THE BUILDING PERMITS WE'RE GROWING, NOT NECESSARILY FOR STUDENTS.
SO WE LOOK AT OUR STUDENT GROWTH DIFFERENTLY.
THEN I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF BRING THAT, THAT POINT ALL IN TOGETHER.
AND I WAS GOING TO MENTION TO THOSE, UH, FACILITIES PLAN BOOKS THAT YOU, I BELIEVE YOU SAID AT OUR LAST MEETING, THE DATE OF WHEN THEY WERE GOING TO BE PRINTED.
AND I KNOW THAT IN THE PAST, WE DID GIVE AND DISTRIBUTE COPIES OF THOSE TO OUR LOCAL ELECTED OFFICIALS.
SO, UM, THERE WILL BE SOME COMING TO TOWN COUNCIL AND WHATNOT.
I JUST DON'T THINK THEY'RE THAT FROM THE PRINTER YET.
THEY'RE NOT, THEY, WE EXPECT THEM BACK SOMETIME MID FEBRUARY.
WE KNOW THAT WE WILL HAVE, SHOULD HAVE THEM FOR YOUR, UH, 1ST OF MARCH MEETING.
UM, BUT IT IN DIGITAL FORM, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO PUT IT OUT ON OUR WEBSITE.
I THINK IT'S IN WORD DOCS, ROBIN, IF I'M NOT, I THINK SO.
WELL, THAT'S, WHAT'S GOING TO PRINT OR WE JUST NEED TO CHANGE, TAKE DRAFT OFF THAT TITLE.
WE'LL MAKE SURE WE GET YOU GUYS A COPY OF THAT AND GET THE LINKS OVER TO YOU GUYS AS WELL.
AND I WANT TO DO A KUDOS SHOUT OUT.
UH, HEATHER TALKED ABOUT THE, UM, PERMIT FINDER MAP, UM, RYAN, WHO DOES ALL YOUR MAPPING FOR THE TOWN.
I KNOW HE'S GOT A TEAM NOW, BUT THAT MAP IS SO HELPFUL BECAUSE I DO GET PHONE CALLS ABOUT, HEY, WHAT'S THAT DEVELOPMENT.
AND I GO STRAIGHT TO THE MAP AND PULL IT UP AND CONFINED ALL THE INFORMATION.
SO JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT.
IT IS EXTREMELY HELPFUL TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT LET'S SAY THAT COUNTY WOULD BUY IT FROM US.
HEATHER'S TIRED OF ME ASKING, BUT TRULY IT'S HARD TO GET A FEEL OF THE WHOLE COUNTY WHEN WE, WHEN WE DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT MOST OF IT HAS PLANNED.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONE THING, CAROLINA, NO, YOU'VE BEEN VERY ON TOP OF IT OVER THE YEARS SINCE YOU KNOW, ALL OF OUR KIDS WENT TO ONE SCHOOL, BUT THEY'RE UNDER THAT CONSIDERATION.
I THINK THERE SHOULD BE ANOTHER ONE.
HOW CAN YOU HELP US? WE REALLY ARE LISTENING TO YOU.
I DO PUT A LOT OF WEIGHT ON BUILD IN FOR MINUTES BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S PER INSTANCE, AND THE RE THE ASK FOR THE ANNEXATION ON THAT SAME NIGHT, Y'ALL WERE THERE OF A HUNDRED ACRES THAT SHOULD ONLY HAVE 30 HOMES.
THEY WANTED TO BUILD A HUNDRED, YOU KNOW, WE SAID, NO, WE'RE NOT INTERESTED, BUT I, I THINK WE NEED YOUR HELP TO SAY, YOU KNOW, NO, WE'RE NOT INTERESTED EITHER.
SO YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW WE CAN HELP EACH OTHER IN MANAGING THIS GROWTH WOULD BE REALLY, UM, WONDERFUL ON BOTH SIDES, US HELP YOU, AND YOU HELP US IN RETURN ON REALLY.
WHAT, WHAT CAN YOU SAY? I KNOW YOU HAVE TO EDUCATE EVERY CHILD THAT WALKS IN THE DOOR, BUT SOMETIMES ENOUGH'S ENOUGH AND WE NEED TO HEAR IT, HEAR IT FROM OUR PARTNERS.
WELL, AND THERE WAS A TIME, I THINK WE DID COME TO SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEES AND TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE HAD NO MECHANISM AND NO, NO MONEY TO BUILD NEW SCHOOLS.
SO IF SOMETHING WERE TO GO FORWARD, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THESE WERE THE CONSEQUENCES.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE ASKING
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US TO DO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THROUGH A COUNCIL'S WHEN IT WAS JUST A, IT PRE YOU, BUT YOU KNOW, A BLANKET LETTER, YOU KNOW, NO REAL STANCE.AND HERE WE ARE HERE, WE ARE IN THIS MESS NOW BECAUSE YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS AGO, WHO WOULD HAVE KNOWN, BUT ANYWAY, I'M JUST GLAD WE ALL WORK WELL TOGETHER.
AND HOPEFULLY WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE AND THE SAME GOALS.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION AND THEN SOME COMMENTS.
SO THE QUESTION IS STEVEN, YOU MENTIONED THAT, UH, I THINK IT WAS 40 LOW FORTIES PERCENT OF THE WHOLE, OF THE, UM, UH, RESIDENCES IN, IN, UH, BLUFFTON WHO HAVE CHILDREN UNDER AGE 18.
WHAT IS HILTON HAD TO HAVE? I MEAN, CAN YOU PUT THAT IN PERSPECTIVE? I CANNOT, OUR SURVEY DID NOT INCLUDE THEM, SO I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT HE'LL MID HAD.
BUT WE JUST DID A SURVEY OF OUR COMMUNITY AND WE ASKED ABOUT 45 QUESTIONS.
AND A LOT OF THEM, WE WERE JUST TRYING TO GAUGE, UH, THE DIRECTION OF THE TOWN CONCERNS THAT CITIZENS HAD, HOW OUR SERVICES WERE DOING.
AND THERE WERE A COUPLE OF OTHER QUESTIONS WE ASKED JUST TO REALLY GET SOME DEMOGRAPHIC INFO ABOUT OUR CITIZENS.
AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE ASKED IS WHAT PERCENTAGE HAD CHILDREN UNDER 18 IN THE HOUSEHOLD.
AND IF IT'S OF ANY USE, I CAN, UM, WHEN I SEND THE DROP, THE ONE DRIVE LINK, I CAN SEND THE PRESENTATION THAT THE CONSULTANTS GAVE AT OUR LAST COUNCIL MEETING ON THAT SURVEY.
SO A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT, UM, ANOTHER THING, UM, WITH THE GROWTH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING HERE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S ANNEXED INTO THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON, AND THEN WE'VE GOT, OF COURSE THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS, UH, BUFORD COUNTY, UH, THAT ARE KIND OF CONSIDERED PART OF BLUFFTON.
I PERSONALLY LIVE IN ONE OF THOSE AREAS.
SO THEY HAVE APPROVED THE IMPACT FEES, AND YET ALL THESE CHILDREN, WHETHER THEY'RE COMING FROM, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S ANNEXED INTO THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON, OR WHAT IS PART OF TOWN OF BLUFFTON, OR THEY LIVE IN AN UNINCORPORATED AREA, THEY'RE ALL GOING TO BENEFIT FROM THE SAME FACILITIES.
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER.
AND ANOTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL OF US, UH, MAYOR SOCA, CAROL, MYSELF, OUR CHILDREN, ALL BENEFITED FROM THE BLUFFTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
AND YES, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOW ADULTS.
HOWEVER, I STILL FEEL AS A CITIZEN THAT I WILL DEFINITELY BENEFIT FROM HIGH QUALITY SCHOOLS.
YOU KNOW, THESE CHILDREN ARE OUR WORKFORCE.
THESE ARE THE CHILDREN THAT ARE, THAT ARE GOING TO BE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, MAKING OUR COMMUNITY BETTER, WHETHER THEY'RE THE POLICEMEN, THE FIREMEN, THE, YOU KNOW, ON THE DRY CLEANERS, WHATEVER IT IS, THEY'RE GOING TO BE A BENEFIT.
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER TOO, WITH THE AGE 55 AND OVER COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW, OKAY, NO, THEY DON'T HAVE CHILDREN IN OUR SCHOOLS, BUT YES, THEY DO.
THEY DIRECTLY BENEFIT FROM OUR SCHOOLS.
AND HEATHER, IF WE TAKE YOUR, UH, YOUR NUMBERS OF SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 50 AND A HUNDRED, UH, PERMITS IN 20 20, 1 OF THAT 858, WELL, THAT'S LESS THAN 9%.
SO IT'S NOT A HUGE AMOUNT EITHER.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AND IT MAY BE, IT WILL BE DIFFERENT NEXT YEAR, WHO KNOWS, BUT I DO THINK WE HAVE TO, UH, THINK OF IT.
IT IS A BENEFIT TO ALL, THAT'S MY COMMENTS, ROBERT.
OH, I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK HEATHER, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN PERMITTED AND BUILT? SO WHEN YOU'RE GIVING THESE PERCENTAGES AS PERMITTED, DOES THAT MEAN THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING NOT NECESSARILY? SO WE TRACKED TOO.
SO WE TRACKED WELL, PERMANENT MEANS THEY PULLED THEIR BUILDING PERMIT.
A BUILDING PERMIT STAYS, UM, GOOD FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AND YOU CAN KEEP IT, YOU CAN GET EXTENSIONS OR IT COULD BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
SO PERMITTED SIMPLY MEANS THAT THEY HAVE, THEY THEY'VE PAID THEIR FEES.
THEY'VE SUBMITTED THEIR PLANS, THEY'RE APPROVED.
THEY COULD START WORK TOMORROW, PROVIDED THEY MEET THE INSPECTIONS BUILT IS WHAT WE TRACK WITH CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
SO THAT MEANS THAT IT IS ALL CONSTRUCTED.
THE BUILDING INSPECTOR IS GIVING, GIVEN HIS FINAL SIGN OFF AND IT'S READY TO MOVE IN.
SO THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS THAT WE TRACK.
WELL, HOW DO THEY DO THEY RELATE? ARE THEY, THEY DO RELATE.
UM, YOU'RE WELL, YES, YES AND NO.
SO I WOULD SAY YOUR BUILDING, YOUR CEO'S SHOULD ALWAYS BE LESS THAN YOUR BUILDING PERMITS, HOWEVER, NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE IT COULD CROSS DIFFERENT YEARS.
SO IT DEPENDS ON WHAT NUMBERS YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T GET A CEO UNLESS YOU'VE APPLIED FOR A BUILDING PERMIT AND RECEIVED THE BUILDING PERMIT.
SO IT'S JUST BUILDING PERMITS.
UM, TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, THE TURNAROUND TIME FOR A TRACK BUILT
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HOME, THAT'S, UM, MORE OF A PRODUCTION, THE SAME MODEL WITH A LITTLE TWEAKS IS GOING TO BE FASTER THAN THE CUSTOM HOMES.UM, JUST BECAUSE OF TIMING, UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN JUST INSPECTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD TURNAROUND TIMES ANY FROM WHERE FROM SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A HOUSE.
SO, AND, UM, MAY, OR YOU MAY KNOW BETTER WHAT THE CURRENT TIMEFRAME IS, BUT IT JUST, ALL DEPENDS.
CEO'S IS PROBABLY MORE THE REALISTIC THEY'RE READY TO MOVE IN.
I DON'T KNOW IF HEATHER WOULD HELP.
I THINK FOR PLANNING PURPOSES, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, AND IF YOU DID IT MONTHLY, THE BUILDING PERMIT TODAY BUILT PULLED IS SOMEONE THAT'S READY TO START BUILDING.
THEY'RE 12 TO 18 MONTHS OUT, MAINLY FROM JUST GETTING THE GOODS HERE, BUT THEY'RE READY TO START CONSTRUCTION.
UM, BUT I THINK FOR PLANNING PURPOSES WHERE YOU, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ADD ANOTHER COLUMN, BUT SAY THIS YEAR, YOU, PART OF THAT IS A PULL PERMIT.
HOW MANY, HOW MANY HAVE PULLED PERMITS? AND THEN HOW MANY ARE CEO'S AT LEAST YOU HAVE SOME KIND OF TREND IN A YEAR FROM NOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE A YEAR, I THINK WE'RE 18 MONTHS OUT.
AND WE, WE DO HAVE THAT TRACK THAT IN OUR MONTHLY REPORT, WE L WE DO THE SEALS.
SO I GET, I GUESS, WHAT I WAS GETTING, WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE CEO'S FROM BOSTON, FOR RESIDENTIAL, UH, THE PERCENTAGE SALES FOR THE BUILD-OUT LINDELL, MY AGREEMENTS.
I CAN, I'D HAVE TO LOOK BACK AT THAT.
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD CALL.
I'M ACTUALLY FOR SCHOOL DISTRICT.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE WOULD NEED IT, BUT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT RELATIVELY EASY, KIND OF ALONG THAT SAME LINE OF THINKING, SORRY, I JUST JUMPED IN, UM, THE, I LOVE THAT YOU ALL DO THIS TRACKING.
I WISH EVERY MUNICIPALITY DID AND THE COUNTY AS WELL, BUT, UM, SINCE WE KNOW WHAT HAS BEEN PERMITTED FOR TOTAL RESIDENTIAL, AND WE KINDA YOU'RE TRACKING, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE ARE AT BUILD OUT, DO YOU EVER KIND OF LOOK AT IT IN TERMS OF OUR PROJECTION OF WHEN YOU THINK THEY MIGHT REACH THAT TOTAL BUILD-OUT AND I KNOW THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A CRYSTAL BALL KIND OF THING, BUT I DON'T KNOW HEATHER'S TYPE IN OR NOT, BUT, YOU KNOW, CAROL, THAT'S KIND OF, THAT'S WHAT I LOOK AT THIS APP, YOU KNOW, WE SAY, YOU'VE GOT TO FIGURE THESE DEVELOPERS CAME TO US YEARS AGO AND THEY ASKED FOR THE WORLD, WELL, THEN THEY REALIZED THE STORM WATER AND WETLANDS AND TREES AND SPACE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY GOT HAMPTON HALLS, A GOOD EXAMPLE.
THEY HAD 1,120 DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
THEY COULD BUILD WELL AT THE BUILD-OUT, IT WAS 900 AND SOMETHING.
SO THEY HAVE LIKE 70 UNITS THAT ARE SITTING SOMEWHERE THAT WILL NEVER BE BUILT IN THAT ONE DEVELOPMENT.
SO I TAKE 10% OFF THAT NUMBER, UM, AND THEN GO BACKWARDS.
I THINK WE CAN EASILY, IF WE CONTINUE ON THIS TREND, I WAS ALWAYS TOLD, YOU KNOW, AT 2030, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 70,000 RESIDENTS.
WELL, IT'S NOT PROVING TO BE THAT, UM, BECAUSE SO MANY, UM, UNITS WEREN'T UTILIZED THAT, BUT HEATHER CAN JUMP IN.
I THINK THE WEIGHT RATE WE'RE GOING, IT IS GOING TO BE 2030 IS MY VERY SIMPLE KIND OF FIGURING THAT HEATHER, YOU CAN BE MORE EXACT AND PROFESSIONAL IN THAT.
AND THE OTHER THING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, I WAS HOPING IT WAS ON THIS TABLE, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT, AND WE HAVE THIS IN OUR, THE MORE EXPANDED VERSION OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SUMMARY, ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS DO HAVE AN EXPIRATION DATE.
SO THERE IS A DATE THAT IF THEY'RE NOT DONE AND COMPLETELY DEVELOPED OR THEY HAVEN'T USED, UM, YOU KNOW, MET THEIR OBLIGATIONS, THERE ARE SOME NEXT STEPS WHAT THOSE ARE.
I DON'T KNOW, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT POINT YET, BUT THERE IS AN EXPIRATION DATE IT'S PRETTY FAR AWAY.
UM, BUT NOT THAT FAR AWAY, YOU KNOW, INFINITE FUTURE, I WAS THINKING IT WAS LIKE 20, 35 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I THINK SOME OF THEM ARE 2032.
UM, SO I'M GOING TO EXPAND IT A COUPLE OF YEARS BECAUSE OF THE, OR TWO OR THREE YEARS FOR THE ECONOMIC DOWNTURN.
AND THEN, AND ACTUALLY THE ESTIMATED FOR THE BUILD-OUT FOR THE POPULATION IS 63,000 PEOPLE.
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UH, COMP PLAN WAS BASED ON.AND THAT IS SIX, A LITTLE BIT OVER 63,000 PEOPLE, BUT NOT UNTIL 2150, BUT THERE IS ALL, WE HAVE ALL DIFFERENT PRODUCTIONS THAT WE TRY TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE'RE AT.
AND LIKE, SO WE'LL HAVE MUCH MORE INFORMATION AND WE'LL BE INCLUDING YOU ALL.
UM, AND PLEASE LOOK OUT FOR ALL OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STEERING COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND FOCUS GROUPS.
AND WE HAVE, UM, THAT'S ABOUT TO KICK UP IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS.
SO IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT, WHAT THEY'VE FORMULATED AS FAR AS OUR PRODUCTIONS AND WHAT, WHICH ONES, WHICH ONE'S RIGHT ON TRACK WITH THAT SAME LEVEL.
BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, CAROL ON YOUR QUESTION TOO, WE ALSO KNOW THE CENSUS IS NOT RIGHT.
I HAD A FELLA IN POUNDED, A BLOCK THAT REALLY MONITORS THIS FOR ME.
AND WE WERE TALKING THE OTHER DAY, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE AT 67,000 SAY, AND WE'RE 70%, THEY'LL TELL THAT MEANS WE HAVE 44,000 PEOPLE HERE NOT 28,000.
AND I, AND I'VE ALWAYS FELT WE WERE ALWAYS 10,000 SHY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HELPS WITH PLANNING BECAUSE IT'S JUST GOING TO SHOW YOU.
WE'RE NEVER REALLY GOING TO KNOW UNTIL, YOU KNOW, EVERY LAST HOUSE IS BUILT.
THEN WE GO AND TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT.
BUT, UM, 67,000 IF HALF ARE GOING TO BE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF 500, 400 PEOPLE REALLY GOOD DETERMINATION OF OUR SURVEY FOR HOW MANY ARE IN CHILDREN OR IN THE HOUSEHOLD, BUT, YOU KNOW, A 50% ARE GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, HAVE CHILDREN IN THE HOUSEHOLD.
THAT'S 30, SOME THOUSAND PEOPLE IN EVERY ONE HAS TWO AND A HALF CHILDREN.
I MEAN, YOU GOT TO FIGURE THAT OUT TO SOMEBODY SMARTER THAN US CAN FIGURE THAT OUT.
I GUESS NOT LOOKING AT THAT BIG MAP WITH ROB AND EVERYONE.
I MEAN, HOW, AND, AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS COUNCIL IS GOING TO DISCUSS, NOW WE KNOW WE HAVE A FIVE-YEAR BREAK.
WE CAN READJUST, WE CAN COME BACK TO THE TABLE.
I DON'T FORESEE US NOT VOTING FOR THIS, BUT I ALSO KNOW A LOT CAN HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND MARCH, FEBRUARY.
BUT THE QUESTION HAS ALWAYS BEEN, YOU GET THE MONEY, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO BILL? WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO GO? WHERE CAN WE HELP YOU? WHERE CAN WE SHOW YOU WHERE THERE'S SURPLUS LAND? SHOULD WE REALLY WORK ON REPROGRAMMING PLACES? AND I MEAN, I JUST THINK THERE'S A BIGGER DISCUSSION WHEN THIS MONEY STARTS COMING IN, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON THAT.
UH, MADAM MAYOR, WE ALSO ARE HAVING A DISCUSSION AFTER THIS ONE, UM, ON THE DISTRICT'S PLANS FOR DEALING WITH THE GROWTH.
SO I THINK THAT WE'LL HAVE, UM, KIND OF A CLEAR VISION AND AFTER WE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND AFTER THEY PRESENT THEIR PLAN IN THE FUTURE TO US.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT GIVES YOU GUYS SOME INFORMATION TO GO ON.
UM, I DID SEE THAT MS. MIDDLETON IS ALSO ON MS. MIDDLETON.
DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO THANK HEATHER AND STEVEN AND MAYOR SOCA FOR COMING ON AND PROVIDING THIS INFORMATION.
UM, IT IS EYE OPENING, JUST THE GROWTH ITSELF.
SO I'VE WATCHED THE GROWTH FROM 2012 UP UNTIL NOW, AND I KNEW EXPONENTIALLY.
SO THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION AND ALWAYS KEEPING US UP TO DATE.
I AM AT DO THINK BLUFFTON NEEDS TO KNOW ABOUT THIS RENEGOTIATING OF MAY RIVER BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF A GAME CHANGER FOR, FOR A PLACE TO ADD ON.
SO WE NEED TO ALL MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THAT, WITH NEW OWNERS THAT COME AT A BLOCK.
NOW, JUST IF IT WAS NEGOTIATED, I HOPE IT WAS SIGNED, BUT I DON'T THINK BLUFFTON EVER GOT WIND ABOUT, YES, MA'AM ROBERT, CAN YOU PERHAPS GET THAT TO HER? I ALSO SEE, UM, OUR CFO, TANYA CROSBY IS ON THIS CROSSFIT.
DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I'M JUST TAKING IT ALL IN MAKING SURE I HAVE THE INFORMATION IN MY HEAD AS, AS I PRESENT TO FURTHER, UH, ELECTED BODIES AND, AND GROUPS.
SO I JUST WANT TO LEARN ALONG WITH ALL OF YOU HAVE AND KEEP UP WITH, UM, THE INFORMATION AND, BUT I APPRECIATE YOU RECOGNIZING ME.
UH, I WILL HAVE TO JUMP OFF FOR ANOTHER MEETING HERE SHORTLY, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SOAK IT IN.
IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ON THIS TOPIC, I'D LIKE TO MOVE ALONG TO THE NEXT, I THINK GO AND I DO WANT TO THANK, UM, ALL THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE TOWN, STEVEN, HEATHER, UH, MAYOR SALKA THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND GIVING US ALL THIS INFORMATION AND KEEPING US UPDATED ON, UM, YOU KNOW, THINGS AS THEY DEVELOP AND THE DIFFERENT DATA THAT YOU'RE
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COLLECTING.SO WE GREATLY APPRECIATE YOUR PARTNERSHIP AND LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING WORKING WITH YOU, TO, UH, DEAL WITH ANY OF THE GROWTH ISSUES THAT WE MAY HAVE, UH, FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT, OKAY.
THANK YOU, RACHEL, FOR ALWAYS INCLUDING US.
RACHEL, DO YOU JUST HAVE A CURIOSITY? YOU THINK IT'D BE BENEFICIAL FOR ONE OR US TO STAY ON TO HEAR THE CONVERSATION THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO HAVE? OR ARE WE OKAY TO DO THAT? I'M PERFECTLY FINE TO DO THAT.
I MAY JUST HANG ON HERE JUST SO WE CAN HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT SO WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT TOGETHER.
SO MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, THIS IS, UM, DISCUSSION OF DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR BLUFFTON SPROUT.
AND I ASKED FOR THIS TO BE ADDED TO THE AGENDA THE OTHER DAY.
UM, AND I CERTAINLY CAN PASS THE GABBLE IF I NEED TO, BUT I DID JUST WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON, UM, THE POTENTIAL FOR THE DISTRICT TO COME FORWARD WITH A, A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND KEEPING AN ALIGNMENT WITH THE COHERENT GOVERNANCE MODEL.
UM, AND WE'VE BEEN HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS RECENTLY, UH, AFTER WE'VE GONE THROUGH ABOUT TWO YEARS NOW ON THIS COMMITTEE, WE'VE GATHERED A LOT OF INFORMATION.
UH, WE'VE TALKED WITH PRINCIPALS, WE'VE HEARD FROM THE TOWN NOW MULTIPLE TIMES.
SO WE HAVE, UM, THE COUNTY TREASURER TO SPEAK WITH US NEXT MONTH.
UM, SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL IF WE DID ASK AND DIRECT, UM, THE DISTRICT TO DEVELOP A PLAN.
AND I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE AN OPTION A B UM, AND PERHAPS A C OF DEALING WITH LEPTIN'S GROWTH, UM, IN THE FUTURE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE FEEDBACK ABOUT THAT.
UM, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO OPEN UP THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE WHOLE IDEA.
I THINK OF HAVING OUR, THIS COMMITTEE NOW FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, ALTHOUGH I JUST JOINED, I CERTAINLY, UH, UH, LISTENED TO IN A NUMBER OF TIMES IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GATHERING INFORMATION FROM MULTIPLE SOURCES AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE FORMED THIS COMMITTEE AND NOW WE NEED TO UTILIZE THAT INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE AND, AND, AND, AND, UH, COME UP WITH, UH, SOLUTIONS AND, AND, AND, AND OPTIONS AS YOU JUST DESCRIBED FOR HOW ARE WE GOING TO DEAL WITH THE, THE, WITH THE, UH, THE GROWTH IN THIS AREA FOR OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM.
AND I THINK IT'S, I THINK JUST BY LISTENING TO THE COMMENTS, LIKE THE MAYOR TONIGHT, I MEAN, THEY WANT TO KNOW, OKAY, THIS IS HAPPENING.
WE'VE SHOWED YOU OUR STUFF, AND YOU SHOWED YOU, YOU SHOWED US YOUR STUFF NOW.
OKAY, WHAT'S THE SOLUTION, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE SCHOOL IS GOING TO GO, WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT SCHOOLS ARE WE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER HIGH SCHOOL? ARE WE GONNA HAVE A, ANOTHER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL? I KNOW ROBERT MENTIONED, UH, UH, MORE THAN A YEAR AGO THAT WE NEEDED CERTAINLY ANOTHER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WHEN CAROL AND I VISITED MAY RIVER HIGH SCHOOL THIS WEEK, UH, THE PRINCIPAL THERE, UH, THINKS THAT WE'RE LIKELY TO NEED A NEW HIGH SCHOOL VERY, VERY SOON.
SO I DO THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN.
UM, SO, UM, I'LL LET ANGELA COMMENT AND THEN I'D BE HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION.
I AGREE WITH THE, BOTH OF YOU, WE DO NEED TO HAVE A PLAN.
WE HAVE GATHERED ENOUGH INFORMATION TO PUT IT ON PAPER AND TO HAVE A PLAN A, B AND C.
THANK YOU, MS. SMELTER, UM, ROBERT, I WOULD JUST, UM, BEFORE YOU MAKE THE MOTION, UM, I WOULD INVITE YOU TO LOOK IN THE FACILITY SECTION OF THE BOOK THAT WE JUST PUT OUT, UH, THE GENERAL, I MEAN, THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF PUTTING THAT TOGETHER WAS TO GIVE OUR BIG PICTURE CONCEPTS ARE WHAT'S IMPORTANT AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO, TO ALLOW FOR DISCUSSION ON WHAT THE BOARD SEES THE DIRECTION WE NEED TO GO SPECIFICALLY.
SO IF YOU HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THAT YET, I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD STARTING POINT CAUSE WE SPELL OUT THERE.
UM, AND NOW DON'T TALK, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DISTRICT IN GENERAL, BUT WE DO HAVE A SECTION WHERE WE'RE PARTICULARLY TALKING ABOUT GROWTH.
AND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GROWTH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BLUFFTON.
SO ANYTHING WE'RE SPELLING OUT AS FAR AS NEEDS FOR GROWTH, WHICH IS A NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WHICH IS A NEW MIDDLE SCHOOL, WHICH IS A ANNUAL HIGH SCHOOL, WHICH IS NEW MOBILES TO GET US TO THE NEW ELEMENTARY, NEW MIDDLE, AND NEW HIGH SCHOOL THAT IS ALL IN THAT SECTION.
SO I WOULD INVITE YOU TO LOOK AT THAT AND JUST TO ADD TO THAT, THERE'S ALSO A CONVERSATION IN THERE ABOUT, UH, EARLY CHILDHOOD.
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FOR ALL MODEL? UM, IF THAT COMES FROM WITHIN, OR IF THAT COMES FROM ON HIGH, THEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN THAT KIND OF NEEDS FURTHER STUDY AS WELL? SO, BUT IT IS ALL LAID OUT THERE AND YOUR FACILITIES MASTER PLAN.AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE SCHEDULED TO GO IN FRONT OF YOU AS A FULL BOARD TO DIVE DEEP IN THIS UNTIL MARCH, MAYBE.
WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO, TO READ THE, THAT SECTION.
I THINK ROBIN HAD HER HAND UP, DID YOU, UM, I WAS GONNA SAY ALSO YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THEATERS AND HOW THE THEATERS WORKED.
SO WOULD THAT ALSO FILL INTO HOW YOU'RE GOING TO, WHAT SIZE SCHOOLS AND SO FORTH? YOU'RE IN MY HEAD ROBIN, IT'S LITERALLY WRITTEN DOWN IN MY PATH RIGHT HERE.
I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST THAT THAT BE INCORPORATED AS PART OF THE PLAN, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO NEW SCHOOLS ARE GOING TO IMPACT THAT.
AND IF WE ARE GOING TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THOSE TYPES OF ITEMS, TO AFFECT THE FEEDERS.
SOMEONE NEED TO DO IT PROBABLY AT AROUND THE SAME TIME.
SO THE, PROBABLY A GOOD MOTION WOULD BE I MOVE THAT THE, UH, BLUFFTON GROWTH AD HOC COMMITTEE, UH, BRING FORWARD TO THE BOARD, THE NEED FOR A, UH, DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR BLUFFTON GROWTH.
AND WE CAN SAY IN, IN THE NEXT 60 DAYS, 90 DAYS, I THINK WE NEED SOMETHING THERE, UM, TO, AND WE DON'T HAVE THE BOOKS YET.
YOU KNOW, FOR ME THE PAPER BACK, THE ACTUAL PAPER BOUND, ONE'S MUCH EASIER TO USE, BUT, UM, I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE.
LET'S SAY SO WE'RE IN THE END OF JANUARY.
AND SO I'D SAY IN THE NEXT 90 DAYS, AND CAN I JUST CHIME IN THAT WOULD GIVE US ENOUGH TIME TO GET, TO GET THE PAPERBACK BOOKS THAT ARE COMING OUT IN FEBRUARY, SO CAN REVIEW THOSE AND BECAUSE THEY ARE PRESENTING TO US IN MARCH.
THAT THAT WOULD GIVE WE'RE TALKING.
WELL, I GUESS WE SHOULDN'T TALK UNTIL SOMEBODY SECONDS THIS OH, OKAY.
I'LL SECOND IT, WAIT A MINUTE.
I JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
SO YOU WANT TO SAY IT AGAIN? YEAH.
I HAVE, I MOVED THAT THE AD HOC BLUFFTON GROWTH COMMITTEE BRING FORTH TO THE BOARD, A DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN THE NEXT 90 DAYS.
NO, A RECOMMENDATION DISTRICT.
UH, RECOMMENDATION THAT THE DISTRICT BRING FORTH A DEVELOPMENT PLAN REGARDING BLUFFTON IS GROWTH IN THE NEXT 90 DAYS, BECAUSE THAT ALLOWS FOR ALL THESE THINGS TO HAPPEN.
I MOVED AT THE AD HOC BLUFFTON GROWTH COMMITTEE BRING FORTH A RECOMMENDATION.
WHO'S BRINGING FORTH THE COMMITTEE OR THE BOARD, OR YOU WANT THE DISTRICT, THE COMMITTEE, OKAY.
I'M OLD AT THE AD HOC BLUFFTON GROSS COMMITTEE BRING FORTH A RECOMMENDATION OR RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD.
I COULD BRING FORTH THAT THE DISTRICT BRING FORTH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR BLESSED.
BLUFFTON IS GROWTH AT THE DISTRICT.
THE DISTRICT BRING IT OR THE COMMITTEE, THE DISTRICT HAS TO DO IT.
AND SO I MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT THE INTENTION IS TO HAVE A DISTRICT STAFF TO BRING FORWARD SOME OPTIONS TO THE COMMITTEE LEVEL.
AND THEN THE COMMITTEE WILL BRING FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION TO THE FULL BOARD.
IS THAT ACCURATE OR DID YOU WANT IT? WELL, WE DON'T WANT THEM.
THAT'S EXACTLY THE WAY I WOULD THINK OF IT, BUT WE DON'T WANT THEM WORKING ON IT.
IF THE BOARD SAYS, OH NO, WE DON'T WANT THEM TO WORK.
YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO BE SURE THE BOARD IS AGREEABLE TO THIS AND THEN GO FORTH TO WORK ON IT AND THEN COME BACK TO US.
AND EXACTLY, I KNOW WE HAVE A WORK SESSION TOMORROW.
SO THE NEXT AGENDA THAT, THAT RECOMMENDATION THE ON WOULD BE NEXT TUESDAY'S WE'LL COME AT A COMMITTEE, SO IT WOULD COME GOOD.
COME ON A REGULAR TUESDAY AGENDA.
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COMMITTEE RECOMMEND TO THE FULL BOARD, BUT THE DISTRICT OFTEN GROWTH DEVELOPMENT PLAN THREE, A OKAY.SO YOU CAN SAY, YEAH, AND JUST BROAD HAS IT FULL.
YOU CAN CAPITALIZE BROAD, SORRY.
AND IF I MAY ADD, I THINK THE, THE INTENTION FOR, AND DURING THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE AT THE FULL BOARD LEVEL, THE INTENTION OF THE PLAN AND THE DIRECTIVE WOULD BE THAT DISTRICT STAFF WOULD COME UP WITH OPTIONS.
SO AN A, A, B PERHAPS A C IF NECESSARY, BUT I KNOW CAROL MENTIONED THAT PRE-K FOR ALL.
SO THE INCORPORATION OF WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE IN THE BLUFFTON AREA? IF WE DO BRING IN, UH, THE PK FACILITY OR A PK THROUGH EIGHT, UM, JUST INCLUDING ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED IN WHATEVER PLANS WE HAVE.
I KNOW WE'VE HAD DIFFERENT OPTIONS BEFORE FOR VARIOUS DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THE REFERENDUM TO Z.
UM, RACHEL, WE COULD SAY, JUST BRING FORTH, TAKE OUT THE WORD, A BLUFFTON GROWTH DEVELOPMENT PLAN OPTIONS.
HOW'S THAT DRIED IN THERE GETS BETTER.
ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT, ANGELA? SORRY.
YEAH, I THINK THAT LOOKS GOOD.
I MEAN, WE GET, WE, WE, WE A GENERAL, WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT TOO CONSTRICTED AND, AND WE NEED THIS INFORMATION.
THE PUBLIC NEEDS AT THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON NEEDS IT.
THIS SCHOOL DISTRICT NEEDS IT.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS BEFORE WE TAKE THE VOTE? NO, MADAM CHAIR.
SO WE'LL BRING THAT FORWARD TO THE NEXT STEP, THE NEXT BOARD MEETING UNDER THE, UH, COMMITTEE REPORT.
AND I THINK THAT KIND OF TAKES CARE OF ALSO UNDER MOVING DOWN TO A FUTURE AGENDA TOPICS.
I THINK THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT ITEM.
I THINK WE WILL SEE, UM, AND WE ALREADY HAVE A REPORT COMING TO US AT OUR FEBRUARY MEETING.
UM, EVERYBODY CAN WATCH THAT AFTERWARDS.
I KNOW THERE WAS GOING TO BE SOME ATTENDANCE ISSUES WITH THAT ONE, BUT OUR COUNTY TREASURER WILL BE BRINGING FORWARD INFORMATION ON THE LATEST NUMBERS THAT SHE HAS.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE FOR YOUR AGENDA TOPIC FROM ANYBODY? IT'S JUST MORE OF A CLARIFICATION.
SO I I'VE HEARD YOU SAY TRUE FEEDERS TWICE AND TALKING ABOUT A DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS, IS, UH, TALKING ABOUT WHAT DO WE NEED? WHAT'S THAT LOOK LIKE WHEN WE GET DOWN TO FEEDERS, TO ME THAT SORT OF THE SUB CATEGORY OF ONCE YOU'VE KIND OF DEVELOPED AN OPTION, THEN YOU WOULD GO TO THAT A LITTLE DEEPER DIVE IN SAYING, YOU KNOW, WHAT TRUE FEEDERS MIGHT POTENTIALLY LOOK LIKE, AND THEN TO THEN DEVELOP THE, YOU KNOW, ATTENDANCE ZONE OPTIONS.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE A STEP BEYOND A DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO IN MY MIND.
BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE REALLY ASKING.
MA'AM I THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO JUST BE A CONSIDERATION.
SO AS YOU'RE DOING THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THAT THERE'S STILL A CONSIDERATION OF HOW WOULD THAT POTENTIALLY IMPACT A FEEDER PATTERN OR FOR THE FUTURE, BECAUSE WHAT WOULD IT BE ESSENTIALLY A DR.
SO, UM, SO WE HAVE THE, UH, THE, BASICALLY THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING AND THAT MEETING, I BELIEVE YOU SAID WAS GOING TO BE FEBRUARY 17TH.
IS THAT CORRECT? I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THE DATE.
WE MOVED IT TO THE, AND IT WILL BE AT FIVE.
ANY OTHER TOPICS? COMMENTS, IF NOT, I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.