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[1. CALL TO ORDER]
COMMITTEE MEETING FOR JANUARY 28TH TO ORDER.UM, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET SOME PEOPLE THAT JOIN US TO GET TO A QUORUM.
BUT, UH, WITH THAT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND START WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT IS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
UM, NOTIFICATIONS HAVE GONE OUT FOR THE, UH, FOR THE MEETING.
I'VE SEEN THOSE, SO, UH, LET'S MOVE TO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER TO 19 CHAIRMAN.
DO WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE A FORUM.
WE DON'T HAVE A FORUM STRAIGHT GUYS.
SO LET'S PUT THOSE OFF TILL THE NEXT, UH, TO THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO CITIZEN COMMENTS.
DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS? NO, NOT AT THIS TIME.
[6. PUBLIC WATER AVAILABILITY IN NORTH BEAUFORT COUNTY PRESENTATION, REBECCA BOWYER, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING, BJWSA]
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PRESENTATION TODAY BY REBECCA BAUER RELATING TO THE, UH, PUBLIC WATER, UH, FOR NORTHERN BUFORD COUNTY, WHO WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD, UH, IN OUR LAST MEETING, I BELIEVE YORK, YOU BROUGHT THAT UP AND, UH, SO, UH, REBECCA, ARE YOU READY? WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO A PRESENTATION FOR US? YES, SIR.WELL, UM, IT'S NICE TO MEET YOU GUYS.
UM, TODAY'S UM, MY NAME IS REBECCA BOWYER.
WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION TO YOU GUYS ABOUT WATER AVAILABILITY AND THE NORTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY.
SO I AM GOING TO TRY TO FLIP OVER TO A PRESENTATION AT WORK JUST A MINUTE AGO.
SEE IF WE CAN GET IT GOING FOR YOU GUYS.
SO ARE YOU SEEING PRESENTATION? YES.
I'M GONNA TRY TO DO FIRST SCREEN AND YOU STILL SEE IT.
SO WE MET WITH, UM, MR. GLOVER HERE A FEW WEEKS AGO AND, UM, TALKED ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON AND HE, FOR COUNTING ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU GUYS WERE INTERESTED IN.
SO WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WHERE THERE IS AVAILABILITY IN SHELDON AND SEABROOK AND DALE.
THESE WERE THE SPECIFIC AREAS THAT WERE ASKED ABOUT SOME OF THE PROCESSES FOR EXTENDING WATER TO THOSE AREAS.
SO WHERE ARE THINGS AVAILABLE? THIS IS A MAP OF NORTHERN, UH, BEAVER COUNTY.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE BLUE LINES OR WATER LINES, UH, SEWER IS IN GREEN.
SO ALONG THESE AREAS OF DALE AND SEABROOK AND SHELDON, WE DO HAVE SOME AVAILABILITY OR AT LEAST IN THE DALE AREA, WE DO HAVE WATER AND SEWER AND SEABROOK, AND THERE'S NOT A LOT AT ALL THERE IN SHELDON.
AND ACTUALLY, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.
SO TO SERVE THESE AREAS, WHAT ARE THE MEANS OF DOING THAT? SO THERE'S BASICALLY THREE MEANS A FRONT FOOT ASSESSMENT, UM, DIFFERENT COUNTY CAN DO EXTENSIONS.
UM, THE JWC CAN DO EXTENSIONS.
SO THE FRONT FOOT ASSESSMENT IS A STATUTE ALLOWED BY THE STATE.
UM, THIS IS WHERE THE PROPERTY OWNERS PAY TO EXTEND WATER SERVICE OR SEWER SERVICE TO THEIR PARTICULAR AREA.
SO THE CONSTRUCTION FOR THAT IS ASSESSED WITH THE TAXES AND PLACED ON THERE FOR A 20 YEAR PERIOD.
IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS, BECAUSE ALL THE, IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY A MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, BECAUSE ALL PROPERTY, ALL PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE TO PAY OR THEY WORK.
UM, SO IN SOME PLACES IT HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL, BUT, UM, IN MANY PLACES OVER THE YEARS, A LOT OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF IT AND THEY CAN'T GET THE MAJORITY VOTE
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TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT.BUT WE DO HAVE RIGHT NOW THAT I'M AWARE OF, OH, WHERE THE PROPERTY OWNERS DID EXTEND SERVICE FOR THEMSELVES.
UH, THE OTHER, UM, EXTENSION PROJECT WOULD BASICALLY BE CONSIDERED KIND OF A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT THAT THE COUNTY CAN EXTEND SERVICES TO THIS AREA.
SO, UM, YOU PROVIDE THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION AND, UH, WAIT, WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT POLICY GUIDE TO PROVIDE GENERAL PROCEDURES IS HOW TO DO THAT.
AND SOMETIMES THAT'S A BETTER ROUTE BECAUSE THERE ARE GRANTS AND OTHER FUNDING SOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THE MUNICIPALITIES AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS THAT ARE NOT AVAILABLE TO THE UTILITY, BUT THERE IS ALSO A PARTNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES WITH BJ WSA WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST WITH VARIOUS POLITICAL GOVERNMENTS.
AND THEN FINALLY, THE LAST ONE I HAVE ON HERE IS OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
SO EVERY YEAR WE REACH OUT TO EACH OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND ASK IF THEY HAVE ANY PROJECTS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO PUT ON OUR CIP LIST.
MOST RECENTLY THAT WENT OUT THROUGH THE HOLIDAYS AND WE'VE RECEIVED ANY REQUEST FOR THIS YEAR AND OUR RANKING THOSE NOW, BUT THEY GET RANKED ALONG WITH ALL OF THE OTHER PRIORITIES THAT HAS AND HAS RECEIVED.
SO THERE'S A SCORING SHEET THAT WE GIVE, UM, BUILT IN ENVIRONMENT AND CRITICALITY TO THE SYSTEM.
UH, THEY TYPICALLY GET THE HIGHEST RANKINGS.
SO WATER PRO UH, EXTENSION PROJECTS DON'T TYPICALLY GET VERY HIGH RANKINGS.
UH, THEREFORE THEY DO NOT MOVE AS FAST AS THE NEIGHBORHOODS OR THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND DEVELOPERS WOULD PREFER, SO NOT MANY GET PUT ON THIS LIST, UH, TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT WE DO ASSESS IT.
AND IN THAT PROCESS IS, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING THROUGH IT NOW.
SO THE PROJECTS THAT WERE LISTED WILL GET PUT ON OUR CIP TO BE BOARD APPROVED THIS SPRING.
AND I'LL REPEAT THE PROCESS AGAIN.
NEXT YEAR, WE USUALLY REACH OUT AGAIN AROUND THE HOLIDAYS BEGINNING PROJECTS THAT YOU GUYS WOULD BE INTERESTED IN TO BE PLACED ON THE LIST WITH THAT.
THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH ALL THE INFORMATION THAT I HAD TO PRESENT.
OR ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE? THIS IS MITCH MITCHELL.
UM, SO WE, WE LOOK AT AN AREA LIKE SHELDON, YOU KNOW, WHERE I GUESS THE FURTHEST NORTH, THE WATER, TRY TO EXTEND THIS TO KINGS NECK ROAD.
I THINK I REMEMBER THAT SIDE CORRECTLY.
UM, AND I GUESS I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW, UH, HOW THE DETERMINATION MADE, WHETHER, WHETHER IT TRAGIC PROCEEDS IS APPARENTLY BY HAVING A, WHATEVER, THE REQUIRED PERCENTAGE OF HOMEOWNERS INVOLVED, THE ROUTING APPROVE IT VERSUS THE COUNTY DOING IT.
BECAUSE IF WE LOOK AT IT, TRY AND GET WHAT OUT AND SHELDON, YOU KNOW, ALL A LOT OF, UH, 7 21 AND THEN 1721, AND TRYING TO GET ALL OF THOSE FOLKS TO APPROVE IT.
THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE A NEVER GONNA HAPPEN TYPE PROJECT.
SO COULD YOU EXPLAIN HOW, HOW YOU DETERMINE, OR LET ME SAY ONE OTHER THING, OR LIKE PROJECT THAT I MADE WITH, I THINK COSTA DASTIS THEY WITH WHERE WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET WATER AND LONG STORY POINTS ROAD, UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE, UH, I, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED TO YOUR FOLKS, UH, AT AWS, THE NUMBER OF TIMES ABOUT THAT, WHERE THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, MEMBERS, I COULD ALMOST SEE THAT BECAUSE IT IS A MORE, THEY FIND AREA THAT IS MORE OF A COMMUNITY SITUATION, BUT, UM, DEBATE AUTHORITY, FEAR OF 21 AND 17.
WHY WITH GLASS SHELDON, YOU COULD, YOU COULD DETERMINE, UH, SHARE WITH ME JUST HOW, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S A COUNTY PROJECT OR A COMMUNITY PROJECT AS DETERMINED IT'S.
SO, UM, THE STATE TO STATUTE, UH, TELLS US HOW TO DO THE, I'LL CALL IT A FRONT FOOTAGE ASSESSMENT, RIGHT? SO BASICALLY THE, UM, PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE WATER AND SEWER REACH OUT TO US, UH, THERE'S AN ITERATIVE PROCESS THAT WE GO THROUGH WHERE WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE UTILITIES ARE AND WHERE THE PROJECT WOULD EXTEND.
AND EVERY PERSON ALONG THAT ROUTE HAS TO GET, OR IS REACHED OUT TO SO THAT THEY CAN BE INVOLVED
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AGAIN, BECAUSE IF THE PROJECT IS SUCCESSFUL THAN EVERYBODY ALONG THE ROUTE HAS TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE INSTALLATION OF THE UTILITY.AND AGAIN, THAT STATE LAW, ANYBODY CAN REQUEST IT.
UM, AND WE LOOK INTO IT, UM, LIKE I SAID, SEVERAL STEPS TO IT, BUT WE WILL GO THROUGH AND GIVE APPROXIMATE COST IF WE GET THAT FAR IN THE PROCESS.
AND, UM, AGAIN, UH, STEWART POINT IS FAR MORE FEASIBLE, UM, FOR LIKE YOU SAID, THE COMMUNITY, AS OPPOSED TO EXTENDING IT TO SHELDON, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO GET INVOLVED IN THAT PROJECT.
IF SOMEBODY IN SHELDON WERE TO REACH OUT AND ASK FOR A FRONT FOOTAGE ASSESSMENT PROJECT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE TIME THAT I WANT TO FOLLOW UP WITH A SEX PRIVATE PLACE, YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING MORE CONNIE TO ANSWER, BUT I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE HIGHWAY 21, SAY FROM KINGSTON ROAD, GOING TO WHITE, SHELDON FAST GARDENS CAUGHT HIM SO FLOOD, UM, AT WHAT POINT DOES IT BECOME MORE OF A, A GENERAL ECONOMIC INTEREST, BUT A COLONY TO DO STUFF LIKE THAT? BECAUSE I COULD SEE THAT LET'S SAY, UM, WHETHER IT IS EXTENDED ALONG 1721, AND THEN YOU HAVE A SPUR THAT GOES OFF INTO THIS AREA, RIGHT IN THE HEART OF SHELDON THAT WE CALL BAILEY AND SOME OF THE SPUR ROADS THAT COME UP THERE, THEN IT BECOMES A COMMUNITY THING.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT TRYING TO GET EVERYONE FROM KEEN STACK ROAD, ALL THE WAY TO, UH, YOU KNOW, SAY THE HEART OF SHELDON THERE WITH A LITTLE STONE AND FEEDING CHURCHES, UM, AND GET ALL OF THOSE FOLKS YELLED AT IT, IT JUST BECOMES SUCH A CHALLENGING TASK TO GET ALL THOSE FOLKS ON BOARD, UM, WHICH, WHICH KIND OF SIPHONED SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN TO THAT AND THE OTHER, IF IT WERE AVAILABLE, LET ME CHIME IN IF I'M, IF I MADE THIS AS A CONSUMMATE GERALD DAWSON, UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A WATER, UH, EXTENSION INTO THE NORTHERN PART OF GIVE A COUNTY, I DON'T, I DON'T HEAR THIS DISCUSSION LEADING, UH, TOWARD THE ST HELENA AREA.
AND I FIND THAT RATHER FASCINATING, BUT NEVERTHELESS, UM, OVER THE YEARS, I'VE, I'VE HAD THE, UM, I'VE HAD THE SUPPORT OF CONSOLE TO SUPPORT ME AND GETTING WATERLINES EXTENSION INTO THE DEAL COMMUNITY.
WE'VE, WE'VE DONE TWO, I THINK, THREE, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANTS THROUGH M L CALL L COG, UH, UH, INITIATE THE, THE SYSTEM, THE PROCESS.
BUT, UH, TO, TO, TO DRIVE THIS TO, TO EVEN GET STARTED, UH, YOU HAVE TO HAVE, UH, UH, THE COMMUNITY INTEREST AND DESIRE.
AND SO IF THE, IF THE INTEREST AND THE DESIRE IS NOT THERE, THEN AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, AND THE PEOPLE THAT I REPRESENT IS IT'S A MUTE POINT IS IN SOME MUTE DISCUSSION.
UM, UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT EXTENDING A WARNING, I AM SURE, BUT RIGHT NOW WE JUST TALKING ABOUT WATER.
I CAN LOAD ACROSS THE WHEEL BRANCH BRIDGE.
UH, THE WHALE BRANCH RIVER IS AN, UM, IS BEING RESTRICTED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CLEARLY STATES THAT WATER AND SEWER, UM, UM, IS NOT ALLOWED, UM, ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE WHALE BRANCH RIVER.
AND SO YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT THOSE TWO OBSTACLES TO DEALING WITH COMMUNITY INTERESTS AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I MADE TWO ATTEMPTS TO GET THE WATER LINES EXTENSION EXTENDED FROM HIGHWAY 21 IN THE SEABROOK AREA AND THE STORE POINT AREA INTO THE STORE POINT COMMUNITY.
I MADE TWO ATTEMPTS AND I COULDN'T GET THE MAJORITY OF THE CITIZENS IN THE STEWARD POINT COMMUNITY TO SUPPORT, UH, THE, THE COMMUNITY BLOCK GRANT AL COG ASSISTANCE OF SKIDDING THE WATER INTO THAT COMMUNITY.
AND SO I'VE HAD, I'VE HAD ONE OR TWO REQUESTS TO MAKE A THIRD ATTEMPT, AND I'M VERY APPREHENSIVE ABOUT TRYING TO GO DOWN THAT ROUTE AGAIN, UH, I'M NOT TRYING TO FORCE WATER INTO ANY COMMUNITY.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I SAY THIS THING IS DRIVEN.
AS FAR AS MY REPRESENTATION IS CONCERNED, IS DRIVEN BY THE COMMUNITY, SHOWING AN INTEREST AND A DESIRE TO HAVE PUBLIC WATER.
UH, LET ME, LET ME CHIME IN, UM, IF, IF I HAVE REQUESTS COMING FORWARD, UH, FENCE ANYBODY, I APOLOGIZE.
HOWEVER, UM, I ASKED US COMMITTEE HERE TO LOOK AT WATER IN RURAL COMMUNITIES.
AND ONE OF THE PRIMARY FOCUS OF THAT WAS TO LOOK AT FIRE PROTECTION,
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UM, IN RURAL AREAS.AND IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT WHEN YOU HAVE, UM, AN ISSUE WITH FIVE AND YOU DON'T HAVE A SUPPLY OF WATER, YOU DEEP DEALING WITH A HOUSE THAT'S GOING TO JUST BURN DOWN BECAUSE ONCE THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS DEERE WITH WHATEVER IS ON THEIR TRUCK, THAT'S THE EXTENT OF THAT.
UM, I'VE ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT I DID ASK FOR SEEING HELLER TO BE INCLUDED BECAUSE THERE ARE POCKETS OF SINGING HELLER THAT HAS, THAT DOES NOT HAVE, THEY DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW WATER SERVICE.
AND I WANT TO FILL THOSE GAPS IN, UM, GOING BEYOND THAT, I'M ALSO LOOKING AT AREAS THAT HAVE WATER LINES, BUT DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO HANDLE FIRE HYDRANTS.
AND I WANT TO LOOK AT IMPROVING THAT AS WELL.
SO I DO HAVE AN INTEREST HERE WITH WATER, UM, IN AREAS THAT ARE NOT COMPLETED ON ST.
HELENA AND TO WHERE THEY'RE ALL FINE.
I MEAN, WATER LINES, UM, EXPANDING THOSE LINES SO THAT IT WILL HAVE THE CAPACITY FOR FIRE HYDRANTS.
AND, UH, I DON'T SEE THAT IN YOUR PRESENTATION, BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW, UH, REBECCA THAT, UM, ST.
HELENA HAS POCKETS THAT NEEDS TO BE, UM, COMPLETED.
AND I HOPE THAT BEAUTIFUL JAZZ FOOD WATER.
NOW, MY PROBLEM RIGHT NOW IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING TO ME, UNLESS IT'S A COUNTY PROJECT B FOR JAZZ FOR WATER AUTHORITY WILL HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME COMPLETING WATERLINES BECAUSE EVERY PERSON PROPERTY OR HAS TO SIGN AND COMMIT TO THAT.
SO IF WE GOING TO DO SOMETHING FOR HOLDER, I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO GO WITH THE COUNTY ROUTE WITH GRANTS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
UM, AND WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR IS THOSE AREAS ON SYNC CALENDAR.
CAUSE I SPEAK FOR SEE HOW THAT, UH, NOT BEING SERVICED AT THIS TIME AND WHAT WILL IT COST TO HAVE THAT DONE? AND, UM, SO THAT I CAN ADVOCATE FOR FUNDING FOR THOSE AREAS.
LET, LET ME, UH, LET ME FALL UP AND, AND, UH, ON, ON SOME OF MY PREVIOUS STATEMENT, AS FAR AS, UH, EFFORTS OF EXTENDING WATER INTO THE, UH, RURAL COMMUNITIES COMMUNITIES.
SO ON THE NORTHERN POTTER ACCOUNT, I BRIEFED YOU ABOUT MY, UH, SITUATION OF TRYING TO EXTEND WATER INTO THE STORE POINT COMMUNITY PRIOR TO THE, UH, PRIOR TO US BEING HIT WITH THE PANDEMIC.
UM, I ALSO MADE AN ATTEMPT TO EXTEND THE WATER AND EYES INTO THE SEABROOK, UH, COMMUNITY ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF 21 FROM, UH, THE STORE CORN COMMUNITY.
NOW, I DO KNOW THAT, UH, THE FOLKS ON THE FAR END OF THE SEABROOK COMMUNITY, UM, SEABROOK POINT SUBDIVISION, UM, THEY HAVE, UH, OVERWHELMING DESIRE FOR WATER EXTENSIONS INTO THEIR SUBDIVISION.
BUT, UH, THE PROBLEM THAT, UH, WE DID HAVE TO DEAL WITH THERE IS THAT, UH, PRIVATE SUBDIVISIONS DOES NOT QUALIFY FOR THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT PROGRAM THAT IS OFFERED THROUGH THE LOW COUNTRY PARCEL GOVERNMENTS.
AND SO, UM, UH, HAVING HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS WITH MEMBERS FROM THE SIERRA POINTE COMMUNITY, UM, BUFORD JASPER HAS OFFERED TO EXTEND THE WATER LINE INTO THE COMMUNITY, BUT AT THE EXPENSE OF THE CITIZENS AND THE SUBSTITUTE, AND THAT, THAT DIDN'T GO OVER TOO WELL, THAT, THAT THAT'S, UH, THAT'S UH, UH, WELL, I SAID THAT WAS UNACCEPTABLE TO THE, TO THE CBRE POINT COMMUNITY.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AS FAR AS TRYING TO GET, UH, WATER INTO THESE RURAL COMMUNITIES.
AND I, AND I KNOW FIRE IS A, IS A DRIVING FORCE.
FIRE IS A MAJOR CONCERN FOR ALL OF US, BUT THEN AGAIN, YOU DEAL WITH, UM, STATE STATUTES AND THEN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FROM THE, UM, LOCAL, UH, UH, UH, ENTITY, UH, THAT HAS RESTRICTIONS ON ACTUALLY WHAT WE CAN DO WITH WATER EXTENSIONS INTO THESE COMMUNITY.
NOW, I WILL SAY OF ALL THE PROJECTS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH IN THE DEAL COMMUNITY WAS
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DUE TO THE FACT THAT, UM, THERE WERE, UM, HAZARD AS FULL AS CONTAMINATION IN THE, IN THE DRINKING WATER CONTAMINATION, UM, THE RUST AND, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO GO OUT THERE AND, UH, AND GET, UH, WATER EXTENDED INTO THE COMMUNITIES BASED UPON THE HAZARD OF THE PORTABLE WATER OR THE, UH, DRINKING WATER, UH, NOT BEING CONDUCIVE FOR, UH, UH, I DON'T KNOW, HOME CONSUMPTIONS.
I JUST WANTED TO OFFER A POINT OF CLARIFICATION THAT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES NOT RESTRICT WATER EXTENSION INTO RURAL.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S NOT AN OBSTACLE.
UM, BECCA, THANK YOU FOR, FOR BEING HERE AND FOR THE PRESENTATION THIS MORNING, UH, COUNCILMAN GLOVER'S COMMENTS ABOUT CAPACITY, UH, PICK THE QUESTION IN MY MIND.
UH, YOU'VE GOT EXISTING WATER LINES DOWN KEEN'S NECK ROAD, UH, BUT ARE YOU, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CAPACITY OF THOSE LINES, UH, AND IS THERE SIGNIFICANT EXISTING CAPACITY? SO SOME OF THOSE LINES WOULD BE ABLE TO SERVE THOSE AREAS ON AS FAR AS EXTENDING IT UP TO SHELDON.
UH, THERE PROBABLY IS NOT THE PASTY AND THOSE ONES NOW SAY HYPOTHETICALLY, UM, LET'S SAY HYPOTHETICALLY, THE COUNTY WANTED TO PURCHASE A BROWNFIELD INDUSTRIAL SITE AND CREATE A NEW INDUSTRIAL PARK ALONG KEEN'S NECK.
IS THERE ENOUGH CAPACITY CURRENTLY TO SERVICE THAT TYPE OF USER? I SAID FOR AN INDUSTRIAL PARK, I GUESS IT WOULD REALLY DEPEND ON WHAT YOU WERE USING.
UM, MOST OF THE INDUSTRIAL PARKS AROUND HERE SEEM TO BE, UM, FAR DEMANDS AS OPPOSED TO ACTUAL PRODUCTION WATERS.
SO, UM, IT IT'S A POSSIBILITY, BUT IT WOULD REALLY WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT'S THERE, BUT THERE IS CAPACITY IN THE LINE, UM, FOR SOME DEVELOPMENT.
OH, HOW LONG, HOW LARGE OF PIPE DO YOU HAVE? UH, CUT IT ACROSS THE, UH, WE'LL BRANCH QUESTION.
DO YOU KNOW? I CAN LOOK IT UP AS I START SHARING THE SCREEN.
HOW WOULD YOU INCREASE CAPACITY IN THAT AREA OR THE WATER TOWER OR LARGER LINES? YEAH, THEY'RE DOING SOME REALLY COOL STUFF WITH THE UNDERGROUND.
UM, THEY'RE LOOKING AT UP JUST A QUICK QUESTION.
IF IT WAS A COUNTY INITIATED PROJECT, HOW YOU INITIATE IT WOULD ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS ALONG THE ROUTE, THE EXTENSION ROUTE PATH TO TIE ON ISN'T IT THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S A QUESTION I THINK IT WOULD BE.
UH, IF IT'S A COUNTY INITIATED PROJECT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE THE, WITH THE ABILITY TO GO TO LOCAL DOG, UH, TO GET GRANT FUNDING.
IS THAT RIGHT, REBECCA? UH, RIGHT.
UM, UH, THE WATER MAIN ACROSS WILL BRANCH IS A 16 INCH PIPE.
SO, UM, IT DEFINITELY HAS SOME CAPACITY THERE.
WE CAN ALWAYS, UM, LOOK INTO SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THOSE AND GET BACK TO YOU.
AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE ST.
HELENA AS WELL, THAT THIS FOCUS TODAY WAS ON THE SEABROOK DEL SHELDON AREA, AND THAT WE WOULD LIKELY HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS.
UM, SOME OF THE ST HELENA, UM, AREAS AS WELL, DRY INITIATE THAT CONVERSATION WITH YOU.
IF, IF YOU, UM, PROVIDE INFORMATION FOR YOU.
SO IF THERE'S THINGS THAT, UH, INFORMATION THAT WE CAN PROVIDE, UM, YOU KNOW, W WE CAN GET THAT TO YOU, UH, FOR YOUR DISCUSSION PURPOSES, I THINK WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ACCESS TO THE, THE, THE WATER LINES ON ST.
HELENA HAS TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, OUR DEPARTMENT CAN ASSIST IN DRAWING UP AREAS THAT ARE NOT SERVED CURRENTLY EQUALLY.
LET'S KEEP GOING WITH THAT QUESTION ABOUT IF IT'S A COUNTY PROJECT WITH, OR WITHOUT CDBG.
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ALL THE OWNERS ALONG THAT ROUTE BE REQUIRED TO TIE IN AS SAME AS THEY WOULD, IF IT WAS THE FRONT FOOTAGE ASSESSMENT, OR WOULD THE COUNTY HAD THE OPTION TO SAY, WELL, JUST PEOPLE WHO WANT TO, OR, YOU KNOW, IN 10 YEARS YOU NEED, OR WHAT, WHAT ARE THE, UH, LET'S SAY, CONSTRAINTS OR THE OPPORTUNITIES THERE? SO THE WAY OUR POLICIES ARE CURRENTLY WRITTEN IS THAT, UM, THE COUNTY WOULD BE CONSIDERED A DEVELOPER AND YOU WOULD EXTEND TO YOUR DEVELOPMENT.SO, UM, THERE IS NOT ANYTHING CURRENTLY IN PLACE THAT SAYS THAT EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE TO TIE ON IF THE COUNTY EXTENDED SERVICES, UH, BUT WE WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT WATER QUALITY.
SO, UM, MAKING SURE THAT THE WATER CIRCULATING AND IS GETTING USED, AND IT'S NOT SITTING STAGNANT IN THESE LINES.
UM, SO THAT WOULD BE LOOKED AT AS PART OF THE DESIGN FOR WHO ALL WILL BE USING THE LAWN.
I THINK IT HONED IT AT THAT AS WHETHER THE CDBG GRANT WOULD REQUIRE MANDATORY TAP IN FOR PEOPLE WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE.
YOU KNOW, OUR FUNDING SOURCE MIGHT REQUIRE THAT I ASKED MS. BOYER A QUESTION.
UM, AND YOU SAID THAT ON UNDER THE FRONT FOOT ASSESSMENT OF, UH, PROGRAM, THE LINES WOULD BE EXTENDED, UH, IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT NOT EVERYONE IS REQUIRED TO TAP IN.
NO, EVERYBODY IS REQUIRED TO TAP IN THAT IS ALONG THE LINE.
YEAH, BECAUSE CLEARLY THE, THE FRONT FOOT ASSESSMENT, EVERY PROPERTY OWNER, ALONG THAT ROUTE, THAT, THAT LINE RUN A PROPERTY IS ASSESSED TO HELP PAY FOR THAT.
OTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION ANYTHING FROM THE YES, SIR.
[7. STATUS OF LADY’S ISLAND VILLAGE CENTER MASTER PLAN]
BECCA CHIEF CLIMATE LADIES OUT AND SAID HE WENT TO FIRE DISTRICT, UH, FIRST, UH, REQUEST TO YOU WOULD BE A 12, 15 YEARS AGO, THE UNINCORPORATED FIRE DISTRICTS WERE INCLUDED IN THE LETTER FOR CIP IMPROVEMENTS.CAN WE GET BACK ON THAT LIST? YES.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS I'D LOVE TO BE INVOLVED IN WHEN IT COMES TO THE LADY'S ISLAND SAYING LENA HELP IDENTIFY THOSE AREAS.
UH, WE HAVE SOME, AS MR. GLOVER SAID SOME POCKETS THAT DOESN'T, THAT DO NOT HAVE WATER LIVES, BUT WE ALSO HAVE MANY AREAS THAT HAVE ADEQUATE SIZED WATER LINES, BUT NOT ADEQUATE NUMBER OF HYDRANTS.
UH, AND I'M NOT PUTTING THAT BLAME ON BEAVER JASPER.
LET'S JUST SAY 40 PLUS YEARS AGO, THE INFRASTRUCTURE WAS PUT IN AND LET'S JUST SAY DOWN ENDINGS POINT ROAD, THERE WAS NOTHING THERE.
AND MAYBE JUST A COUPLE OF HYDRANTS WERE DROPPED WHERE TODAY THERE IS.
AND AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S, UH, 30 PLUS YEARS AGO, LACK OF CODES AND ORDINANCES, UM, AND TRULY, UM, INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS PURCHASING A PIECE OF PROPERTY DOWN A LONG DIRT ROAD.
UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE ADDRESS THAT, HOW WE FIX THAT WARSAW IN PARTICULAR, THE WATER LINES ARE THERE.
UM, THERE'S A COUPLE HYDRANTS IN WARSAW, BUT THE LOOP ON WARSAW, MY UNDERSTANDING HAS A FOUR-INCH WATER LINE THAT WOULD NOT SUPPORT FIRE HYDRANTS.
AND, AND HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT? I WOULD ALSO SUBMIT TO YOU THAT, UM, YES, COMMUNITY BLOCK GRANTS.
UM, I WOULD ALSO SAY OUR BUM AND THE FUNDING THERE, AND SOUTH CARB, SOUTH CAROLINA, RURAL INFRASTRUCTURE AUTHORITY ALSO DOES GRANTS.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF BUFORD JASPER USES ANY OF THAT, OR IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S TO BE INITIATED BY THE COUNTY.
SO IF WE, SO THERE ARE AREAS THAT DON'T HAVE LAWNS AT ALL.
SO THOSE, THOSE AREAS THERE ON ST HELL AREN'T ANYWHERE ELSE, WE GO THROUGH THIS SAME PROCESS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE FOR SHELDON AND DALE AND SECRET.
SO THOSE ARE THE BASIC OPTIONS THERE IN GENERAL, THE DEVELOPERS PUT IN THE LINE AND EXTEND IT.
SO THE COUNTY, AGAIN, ACTING IN THAT REGARDS, YOU CAN DO THAT, BUT YOU ARE CORRECT THAT THERE ARE LINES IN PLACES THAT DON'T HAVE THAT OUR PURPOSES FOR FLUSHING THE LINES FOR WATER QUALITY.
UH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.
SO OUR CURRENT DEVELOPER POLICY AND PROCEDURE MANUAL DOES ALLOW FOR YOU TO COME IN AND, UM, ASKED FOR HYDRANTS.
UM, AND, AND I BELIEVE, UH, I DON'T, I CAN GET YOU THE INFORMATION ON THAT, BUT WE DO ALLOW TO REQUEST FOR HYDRANTS FROM THE LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES.
SO IF THERE'S AN AREA THAT NEEDS THAT, UM, DOES NOT HAVE ADEQUATE THEIR SPACE, WHATEVER, EVERY COUPLE THOUSAND FEET,
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UM, WE CAN COME BACK IN AND LOOK AT THOSE AREAS TO PUT IN MORE HYDRANTS.UM, THERE, THERE IS CONCERN THERE THAT ABOUT THE NUMBER OF HYDRANTS, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, I'LL SAY BEING REALISTIC FOR FIRE PROTECTION, UH, AS, UH, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE HYDRANTS LONG-TERM, UM, WE WOULD ASK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE TRIED TO PUT A WHOLE CLUSTER, YOU KNOW, WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET, 300 FEET OF EACH OTHER, AND YOU HAVE THREE OR FOUR HYDRANTS, BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE AREAS WHERE THEY'RE SPACED EVERY 2000 FEET.
AND I KNOW I SAID, LET'S AT THE THOUSAND FOOT INTERVAL.
SO, UH, DEFINITELY SOME OPPORTUNITIES THERE TO WORK TOGETHER, UM, IN AREAS THAT HAVE THE UNDERSIZED LAWNS, UM, WHERE THEY'RE FOUR INCHES OR LESS SOME HAVE THE TWO INCH EXTENSIONS, THOSE RIGHT THERE, AGAIN, UM, FIRE PROTECTION AT THIS POINT IS, UM, NOT OUR MAIN FOCUS.
WE, WE LOOKED AT HEALTH AND SAFETY AND WATER QUALITY.
UH, SO, UM, FOR US GETTING WATER TO THE HOMES, UH, THEY, THEY MEET OUR CURRENT STANDARDS, BUT THEY CAN BE OUTSIZED AS WELL.
UH, THERE'S PROJECT CAN BE PUT IN FOR US.
AGAIN, THEY TYPICALLY RANK LOW AGAINST OUR OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE MORE HEALTH ORIENTED OR FOR SEWER, FOR, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS.
UM, BUT THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES AGAIN FOR THE, UM, COMMUNITY OR THE, UM, GOVERNMENT HERE TO PUT IN A LARGER SIZE LINES TO DISCERN IF FIRE PROTECTION IS AN, THE WAY THAT THE COUNTY WOULD LIKE TO GO, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO BE IN THE RURAL AREA AND THEY LOVE THE RURAL AREAS, AND THEY DON'T THINK ABOUT HYDRANTS AND FIRE PROTECTION UNTIL THEY HAVE A FIRE.
AND THEN THEY WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE HYDRANTS ARE, YOU KNOW? UM, AND, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SOMETHING CLEAR AS YOU KNOW, THE FIRE SERVICE IN GENERAL HERE RESPONDS WITH WATER CAPABILITIES.
SOME OF US HAVE TANKERS OF WATER, AND WE, WE DO A SHUTTLE OPERATION AND SO FORTH, UM, A LOT HAS TO DO WITH THE STAGE OF FIRE AND WHETHER THE HOUSE IS GOING TO BE COMPLETELY CONSUMED OR NOT.
UH, AND AT THE TIME THAT THIS OF US RECEIVING THE CALL, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO BE INVOLVED WITH, BE WITH JASPER.
I WOULD LOVE TO IDENTIFY THOSE AREAS AND WORK TOWARDS A PLAN, WHETHER IT'S ARPA, WHETHER IT'S CELL COLLATERAL OR INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, WHETHER IT'S COUNTY CIP, AND A LITTLE BIT EVERY YEAR THAT GOES TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF OURS, MR. GLOVER, AS YOU KNOW, ALL WE NEEDED SOME ADDITIONAL HYDRANTS.
UH, AND I THINK WITH A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY, WE CAN PUT A BUNCH OF HYDRANTS IN, I SAY A LITTLE BIT, HALF OF MAY IN QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE, UM, THAT WE CAN, WE COULD ADDRESS THOSE AREAS.
IT'S THE, IT'S THE RURAL NATURE OF THE UNINCORPORATED COUNTY IS, YOU KNOW, AND WE DISCUSSED IT AT SRT THE OTHER DAY, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY HAS ORDINANCES AND REQUIREMENTS.
UM, BUT FOUR HOMES OR LESS IS A MINOR SUBDIVISION DOES NOT REQUIRE THE DEVELOPER TO PUT IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE FIVE HOMES OR MORE DOES.
SO YOU CAN HAVE POCKETS, AT LEAST LITTLE SMALLER DEVELOPMENTS.
AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE, I BUY 10 ACRES.
I HAVE A BEAUTIFUL HOME AT THE END OF THAT 10 ACRES ON DEEP WATER.
AND LATER ON, I SUBDIVIDED AND I HAD A HOUSE HERE, THERE, ALL OF A SUDDEN WE GOT SIX OR EIGHT HOUSES DOWN THAT PRIVATE ROAD, AND THERE'S NO WATER LINE OR HYDRANT, ANY WORKLOADS.
I WOULD NEVER PROPOSE MULTIPLE HYDRANTS IN A CLOSED AREA.
THOUSAND FOOT SPACING IS APPROPRIATE.
THEORETICALLY, IF ALL THE HOMES WERE ON THE FRONT END STREET, THEY WOULD MAKE THEM 500 FOOT FROM A HYDRANT.
HOW MUCH SHOULD WE BE PERFECT FOR OUR OPERATIONS? SO I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH BUBER JASPER, REBECCA AND MR. GLOVER, IF I CAN.
I THINK, UM, I KIND OF SEE, LIKE MAYBE THE FIRST STEP IS MAPPING THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT, IT JUST SEEMS THERE'S THREE AREAS, AREAS WITH NO WATER AREAS WITH WATER THAT NEED HYDRANTS.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD WORK WITH FOR JASPER WITH THE FIRE DISTRICT ON, IN AREAS THAT HAVE UNDERSIZE LINES, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN KIND OF WORK WITH P FOR JASPER, WITH FIRE DISTRICT TO KNOW WHAT BLOOD ARE UNDERSIZED THAT WOULDN'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO SUPPORT A HYDRANT.
AND I THINK THAT FIRST STEP WOULD BE A MAP AND INVENTORY THESE AREAS.
AND THEN I GUESS THE NEXT THING WOULD BE TRYING TO PRIORITIZE AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO GO AFTER THE MONEY.
AND THAT'S WHERE I AM RIGHT NOW.
AND I, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UM, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY I THINK, UM, BECAUSE OF, UH, OPER IN ALL THE FUNDING INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDING THAT ARE COMING,
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AND I DON'T WANT TO MISS OUT ON IF I CAN GET ONE LINE IN, I THINK IT'S WORTH THE EFFORT.UH, IF I CAN GET IT ALL DONE, IT'D BE GREAT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO MISS THE OPPORTUNITY NOT TO DO SOMETHING WHEN IT'S HERE.
AND SO, UH, IF NOTHING ELSE COMES OUT OF THIS COMMITTEE, UM, IF YOU WOULD DIRECT THE STAFF TO STOP OUTLINING AREAS OF CONCERN AND BRING BACK HERE, UH, AS A RECOMMENDATION, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.
AND I CAN WORK WITH STAFF TO BASICALLY, AND CHIEF TO IDENTIFY AREAS ON SINGLE LITTLE LADIES ISLAND THAT ARE SORT OF MISSING AND TRY TO CLOSE THOSE GAPS.
I THINK THAT IS THE WAY TO GO.
DO WE HAVE AREAS OF A NORTHERN PORT ROYAL ISLAND THAT ARE NOT SERVED? CAUSE I CAN KIND OF KNOW WHAT THE MAP IS SHELDON IS, BUT THERE ARE PARTS OF GREECE HILL OR CLARITIN.
AND WE KIND OF KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH, UH, NORTH OF THE WHALE BRANCH.
AND I PROMISE NOT TO BE SELFISH, WE'LL INCLUDE THE OTHER FIRE CHIEF.
SO IS THAT SOMETHING WE WANT TO STAND UP AS A, UH, A COMMITTEE OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S JUST GOING TO BE, UM, AND RESPECTFULLY, UM, THESE THINGS ARE BOTH WELL OUTSIDE OF THE GROWTH BOUNDARIES AND WHILE THIS IS ANOTHER GIRL IN THE REGIONAL PLANNING COMMITTEE, IT'S, I MEAN, I SEE THIS AS MOSTLY A COUNTY RESPONSIBILITY.
I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE WHERE THIS, I MEAN, I AM SUPPORTED A LITTLE BIT PROVIDING BETTER ACCESS FOR FIRE COVERAGE FOR CITIZENS, THE RURAL AREAS DON'T, YOU KNOW, DON'T GET ME WRONG.
BUT, UM, I GUESS AS A PIECE OF POLITICAL ADVICE TO MY TWO COUNCIL COUNTY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES HERE, UM, THE MAJORITY OF THE REST OF YOUR COUNCIL HAVE TO BE SUPPORTED TO MOVE THESE PRIORITIES FORWARD.
AND SO MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE KEEP IT YOUR, YOUR COUNTY COMMITTEES, WHETHER THAT'S PUBLIC FACILITIES OR, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THOSE THAT MIGHT BE A MORE APPROPRIATE BODY TO RUN IT THROUGH SO THAT YOU MAKE SURE YOU'RE BRINGING THE REST OF YOUR COUNCIL ALONG WITH YOU, AS YOU START TO FIND FUNDING AND KEEP THIS BEING A PRIORITY.
I MEAN, WE'LL CERTAINLY HAPPY TO HAVE IT HERE, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT SUCCESSFUL.
SO WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP HERE? IS IT, THE NEXT STEP IS TO TAKE THIS TO A COUNTY PROCESS THAT CONNECT YOU SOURCES OR FOR THE PLANNING TO RE PROVIDE SOME MAPPING TO THEM OR A DISCUSSION ON MOVING FORWARD AT THE COUNTY LEVEL.
I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE HERE.
I THINK WE GOT SOME WORK TO DO BEFORE WE GO BEFORE YOU SUBCOMMITTEES.
YEAH, BUT IT IT'LL BE IN THE COUNTY DOMAIN.
AND IF YOU NEED OUR HELP, WE'RE GLAD TO, TO SERVE.
AND, UH, JUST HOW YOUR STAFF REACH OUT TO US, OR WE'LL BE GLAD TO PRESENT INFORMATION AGAIN AT A FUTURE MEETING, IF THERE'S ANOTHER SPECIFIC AREA OR EVEN GENERAL AREAS TO DISCUSS.
UH, BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE, I GUESS WE DO HAVE A QUORUM.
SO, UH, I BELIEVE SO WITH, UH, MR. DAWSON JOINING US, WE'RE STILL, WE'RE STILL A SHORT ONE.
UH, SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR DISCUSSION ITEMS. THE FIRST ONE, UH, IS, UH, GROWTH BOUNDARIES WITH THE EUSTIS, UH, COMMUNITY LAND USE PLAN.
I THINK YOU, DID YOU PUT THAT ONE ON? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF SPRING.
I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST MEETING WE'VE HAD SINCE WE HAD A SIT-DOWN MEETING WITH THE CITY, THE CITY, I THINK THAT WAS IN OCTOBER, BUT BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD, SINCE THE LADY'S ISLAND PLAN HAS BEEN ADOPTED THIS PROPOSAL TO MOVE THE GROWTH BOUNDARY, WHICH IS CURRENTLY AT CHALLENGE CREEK TO MOVE IT, UH, WESTWARD TO THE, UM, EASTERN BOUNDARY OF WALMARTS.
UH, AND YOU KNOW, IN HOPES OF KIND OF PROVIDING A LITTLE MORE OF A RURAL BUFFER BEFORE GETTING OVER TO ST.
HELENA ISLAND, UM, KIND OF WORKING WITH THE CITY AND THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT LAND THAT IS, UM, SPEAKING, I GUESS ON BEHALF OF, YOU KNOW, W W WHAT YOU HAD MENTIONED
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THE MEETING, BUT THE CITY HAS CONCERNS THAT THEY ARE READY HAVE LAND IN THE CITY, UM, OVER IN DISTANT ISLANDS.AND YOU SUPPLEMENTATION THAT BECAUSE IF WE MOVE THE GROWTH BOUNDARIES, THEY WOULD BE FOREVER A DONUT HOLE.
AND SO WE KIND OF AGREED THAT A STEP THAT WE COULD TAKE THE WIND TO HOPEFULLY HAVE THE SAME RESULTS WOULD BE TO PUT TOGETHER SOME SORT OF JOINT LAND USE PLAN FOR THE USE OF COMMUNITY.
IF, IF THE CITY AND THE COUNTY SHARE THE SAME VISION FOR WHAT LAND SHOULD BE IN THE USE OF COMMUNITY, WE AGREE ON A FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.
SO REGARDLESS OF ANNEXATION, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME RESULTS AS FAR AS, UM, DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL IN THAT AREA.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THAT'S A VIABLE OPTION.
I THINK IF THAT PLAN WERE UNDERTAKE AND OF COURSE IT NEEDS TO BE COMMUNITY-BASED, UM, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, GO BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING SOMETHING THAT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, DESIRABLE TO, TO WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE, BUT ALSO THAT, THAT PLAN THAT IF IT DOES GET ADOPTED THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS PART OF THE INTER-GOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT FOR THE NORTHERN REGIONAL PLAN.
SO WE HAVE OUR GROWTH BOUNDARY, ALL THE, YOU KNOW, THE DETAILS OF WHAT HAPPENS WITHIN AND OUTSIDE OF THE GROWTH BOUNDARY.
AND THEN WE HAVE THIS LAND USE COMPONENT FOR THE EUSTIS COMMUNITY.
UH, THAT, THAT WAS KIND OF MY TAKEAWAY FROM THAT MEETING.
AND I WANTED TO KIND OF BRIEF THIS GROUP WITH THAT AND SEE HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW WE HAVE AND MOVE FORWARD ON THAT.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS GOING TO BE A COMBINATION OF CITY STAFF AND COUNTY STAFF, UH, TO, UH, TO DEVELOP THAT, UH, LAND USE PLANNING, HOW FAR SOUTH HAS HAD IT GO THAT SERVED MY AREA.
THEN WHEN USED, THIS IS A BIG, IT WAS QUITE A LARGE AREA, ACTUALLY.
SO I GUESS WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT IS THAT AREA THAT TO WALMART, TO THE CHILD CREEK BRIDGE, RIGHT? YEAH.
THAT WOULD BE AS FAR AS EAST TO WEST, BUT I THINK YOU HAVE WATER AND MARSH ON THE NORTH AND ON THE SOUTH, I GUESS IT WOULD TAKE IN DISTANT ISLANDS USE THIS PLANTATION, WHICH IS FAIRLY WELL-DEFINED TO FIND BY GEOGRAPHY AND THE EXISTING GROWTH BOUNDARIES.
SO, UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THE COUNTY WOULD INITIATE, UH, IN TERMS OF GETTING, UH, THE CITY ON BOARD WITH THAT, UM, PROJECT? I WOULD HOPE THE CITY AND THE COUNTY STAFF, UH, WOULD COME TO SOME TYPE OF, UM, RECOMMENDATION TO BRING FORWARD.
NOW THEY WRITE DOWN THE COUNTY IS I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND THE CITY HAS A, AN AGREEMENT TO ALLOW THE BOUNDARY TO BE EXTENDED TO THE CHILD AND CREEK.
UM, AND THAT WAS DONE 10 YEARS OR SO AGO, SIX, EIGHT MORE THAN 10 YEARS.
THE NORTHERN RACIAL PLAN WAS STOPPED 2007.
AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT BECAUSE SHE'LL LAUGH THERE.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, UH, POLITICS HAVE CHANGED AND A LOT OF, UH, NEW FACES OF SHOWING UP.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S A TIME TO EITHER SOLIDIFY THAT OR, OR, OR CHANGE IT.
AND, UM, I LIKED THE CONVERSATION.
YEAH, YEAH, I DO TOO, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I THINK MY HEARTBURN HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT FOR BETTER OR WORSE.
SOME PORTION OF DISTANT ISLAND IS IN THE CITY.
SO WE RUN GARBAGE TRUCKS OUT THERE.
THERE'S A CALL FOR POLICE SERVICE.
WE RUN AN OFFICER OUT THERE NOW AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN SEE THE GROWTH BOUNDARIES AND THAT'S SORT OF MADE THEM THAT ALL THE SERVICES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO RIDE PAST UNINCORPORATED COUNTY TO GET TO SERVICE PRISON, THAT'S NOT VERY EFFICIENT, THEN HOW WE DELIVER SERVICE, YOU KNOW, ON THE OTHER SIDE, I ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND, ESPECIALLY YOUR CONCERN, COUNCILMAN GLOVER, ABOUT HAVING THAT BE, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT URBAN DENSITY ALONG THAT CORRIDOR.
AND I THINK FROM THE CITY'S STANDPOINT OF TRANSECT BASED ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT, MOVING, IT SHOULD BE INTENSE IN THE CORE OF THE CITY AND THEN STEPPED DOWN AS WE GET APPROACHING THE RURAL AREAS.
SO I THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE FOR WALMART BEING THE MOST INTENSE, AND THEN IT IT'S WORTH INCREASING AND BECOMING MORE RURAL AS IT GETS TO CHALLENGE YOUR TALENT CREEK.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS THAT FROM THE CITY STANDPOINT, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A ZONING THAT CURRENTLY MATCHES THE COUNTY ZONING THAT IS ACROSS THOSE SITES, BECAUSE WE'VE OFFERED THAT WE WOULD TRY TO FIND THE ZONING THAT MATCHES.
SO REGARDLESS OF THE JURISDICTION,
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IT'S STILL GOING TO BE SORT OF A RULE INFORMED DEVELOPMENT THAT OCCURS IF IT OCCURS AT ALL.I DROVE THROUGH THERE LAST WEEK, JUST IN ADVANCE OF THIS CONVERSATION, UM, TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, JUST THE POTENTIAL FOR DEVELOPMENT, THE PARCELS, UM, IT'S AWFULLY LOW.
AND MY, MY HOPE OF HOPES IS THAT THE FILL ORDINANCES THAT THE COUNTY HAS PASSED AND THE CITY HAS PASSED, WILL PRECLUDE SUB DEVELOPMENT, AGAIN, REGARDLESS OF JURISDICTION IN THAT AREA BECAUSE OF HOW LOW IT IS.
UM, SO REGARDLESS THE ZONING, IF THE PHIL, YOU KNOW, ROB, YOU COULD PROBABLY SPEAK TO THAT BETTER THAN I COULD, BUT I HOPE WE PUT SOME PROTECTIONS IN PLACE, UM, JOINTLY WORKING TOGETHER.
UM, BUT I'LL ALSO SAY, YOU KNOW, AS LADY'S ISLAND AND THE SEA ISLANDS CONTINUE TO GROW, I THINK WE'VE GOT TO HAVE A MORE OPEN CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT IS THE RIGHT LEVEL OF COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, RETAIL RESTAURANT, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE ISLAND, BECAUSE I'M A BELIEVER OF THE MORE THAT WE CAN PUT, UH, REVPRO APPROPRIATE, RIGHT? SCALE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, UM, ON THAT CORRIDOR, ESPECIALLY THE BETTER, IT HELPS KEEP PEOPLE ON THE SEA ISLANDS AND NOT HAVING TO CROSS THE TWO BRIDGES THAT ARE CONTINUING TO FACE STRAIN.
UM, SO I, I THINK THE SYDNEY, FROM THE CITY'S STANDPOINT, WE'D LOVE TO WORK WITH COUNTY STAFF TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE DO THAT.
LAND USE PLAN, SIMILAR TO THE LADY'S ALLEN VILLAGE MASTER PLAN, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT NEXT, UM, IN A CITY COMMITMENT THAT IF, AND I THINK THOSE ARE IMPORTANT, REMEMBER THAT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE TO PETITION TO COME IN, RIGHT? WE DON'T JUST TO GET TO GO TAKE AND SAY, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE HOUSTON'S AND YOU'RE COMING TO THE CITY, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE TO WANT TO BE IN THE CITY.
YOU'D HAVE TO COME TO US AND SAY, HEY, BRING US IN.
UM, AND SO I WANT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT ASSUMING THAT PROPERTY OWNERS EITHER DO WANT TO COME IN OR DON'T WANT TO COME IN.
I MEAN, IT'S SOMEWHAT TO THE WATER CONVERSATION.
WE ALL SIT AROUND HERE AND THINK PUBLIC WATER OR ANNEXATION MIGHT BE A GREAT THING.
BUT IF PROPERTY OWNERS AND RESIDENTS IN THESE CORRIDORS ARE ABSOLUTELY OPPOSED TO IT, I, YOU KNOW, WE SORT OF HAVE TO RESPECT SORT OF HAVE TO RESPECT THAT.
SO SETTING THE PUBLIC TABLE THAT PROTECTS US ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, I THINK IS A GOOD THING.
SO AT THE SAME TIME THERE, THAT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT, UH, ANNEXATION, UM, YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THOSE, UH, ELEMENTS ARE INCLUDED IN ANNEXATION.
UM, BECAUSE IF YOU EXTEND BASED ON, UM, SIGHT OF SIGHT OF LINE OF SIGHT OUT OF SIGHT, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT THE MARSHLAND AND SO YOU PICK UP A DISTANT ISLAND.
UM, SO WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU ALREADY SAID, WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE A DONUT HOLE HERE BECAUSE IN ORDER TO GET TO JUST AN ISLAND, YOU HAVE TO COME INTO THE COUNTY.
HEY, AND I'M ON IT, YOU KNOW, I'M ON RECORD A DOZEN TIMES SAYING, YOU KNOW, I WISH THE CITY WOULD HAVE NEVER CROSSED THAT RIVER BACK IN 1978.
AND, YOU KNOW, IN HINDSIGHT, WE REALLY SHOULD HAVE FOCUSED ON THE CORE URBAN AREA OF THE CITY AND SORT OF THE BASIC, THE BASIC FORMAT ON PORT ROYAL ISLAND.
BUT, YOU KNOW, FOR BETTER OR WORSE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, HENRY CHAMBERS, THE MAYOR AT THE TIME THEY, THEY HAD XED.
UH, THERE WAS, LIKE I SAID, KIND OF A NASTY FIGHT WITH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION GROUP AT THE TIME.
AND, AND THAT ACTUALLY ESTABLISHED SOME STATE ANNEXATION LAWS THAT YOU COULD AND X LINE OF SIGHT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAS A QUESTION MARK AT THE TIME.
I'M ACTUALLY ASKING WE ON ANNEX AND GIVE SOME PORTIONS BACK, AND I'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO GET A CLEAR ANSWER THAT THERE'S A MECHANISM FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE FIND OURSELVES IN THIS BOAT.
THERE'S NO PLAYERS ON THE SCENE RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW? AND SO, UM, THE CONVERSATION IS A WELCOME CONVERSATION WITH, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I, I LAY AWAKE AT NIGHT THINKING ABOUT THE LADIES ON PLAN, THE DATA THAT WAS CAPTURED THAT, YOU KNOW, 6,000 PLUS RESIDENTIAL UNITS TODAY, A POTENTIAL FOR AN ADDITIONAL 8,000 UNITS WERE PROBABLY BETWEEN THE CITY AND COUNTY BUILDING SOMEWHERE AROUND 300 UNITS A YEAR.
I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S JUST ME PULLING A NUMBER OUT OF THIN AIR.
UM, BUT I'M HEARING FROM MY RESIDENCE ON THE WOODS MEMORIAL SIDE OF THE BRIDGE THAT, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT DELAYS AND ISSUES WITH BRIDGE OPENINGS AND MORE AND MORE TRAFFIC DENSITY.
I THINK PORT ROYAL'S GOT AN ISSUE ON THE MATERIAL SIDE OF THE BRIDGE.
SO WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER ON HOW WE BEST MANAGE THE SEA ISLANDS BECAUSE IT AFFECTS ALL OF US.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, I PERSONALLY THINK WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ALLOW MORE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN A RESPONSIBLE GAME SCALE WAY FOR SEATTLE AND RESIDENTS.
WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO WORK IN, TO BRING DENSITIES DOWN WHERE WE CAN IN THE RURAL PARTS OF THE SEA ISLAND ISLANDS, YOU KNOW, NO MORE UP ZONING AND, UM, IN THE RURAL PARTS OF, OF THE AREA.
UM, AND YOU'VE DONE IF YOU SAW THE ISLAND NEWS, THERE WAS AN OP-ED THAT WAS RECENTLY WRITTEN ABOUT A THIRD CROSSING.
AND YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO SWITCH IT A LITTLE BIT IF WE HAVE,
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IF WE THINK WE HAVE THE WILLINGNESS TO SPEND 200, 300, $400 MILLION, I MEAN, PICK A NUMBER, RIGHT? WHAT'S THE, THAT BRIDGE IS GOING TO COST 300 MILLION.IF WE HAVE THE WILLINGNESS TO SPEND $300 MILLION TO DO A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE ACCELERATE DEVELOPMENT ON THE SEA ISLANDS.
IF WE PUT THAT IN SOMEWHERE ON THE NORTHERN PART OF THE ISLAND, WELL, WHY DON'T WE RAISE THAT MONEY AND THEN GO BUY DOWN DEVELOPMENT DENSITIES, RIGHT? HOW MUCH DEVELOPMENT DENSITY COULD WE BUY ON LADIES? I WANT ST.
HELENA FOR $300 MILLION, MUCH OBJ.
I MEAN, I JUST THINK WE GOT TO THINK A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.
WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T ROTE IN BRIDGE OUR WAY OUT OF, OUT OF THIS MESS AND ACTUALLY ROADS AND BRIDGES MAY ACTUALLY INDUCE AND ACCELERATE DEMAND AND GROWTH.
SO I THINK WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT WE, WHAT WE DO THERE AND TAKE A MORE HOLISTIC VIEW OF HOW THESE COMMUNITIES DEVELOP, WHICH IS WHY I'M A BIG CHAMPION OF THE LADIES ISLAND VILLAGE CENTER MASTER PLAN.
WELL, LET ME JUST SAY THIS, THAT I'M IN, IN LESS THAN TWO WEEKS, UH, CHIEF CAN SPEAK TO THIS, UM, TRAFFIC STOPPED FOR THREE, FOUR HOURS ON A SINGLE ON THERE.
UM, AND PEOPLE COULDN'T GET THE WORK, COULDN'T GET ACCESS TO DOCTORS.
UM, AND WE GOT, WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT PROBLEM.
UM, LOOKING FOR THE FUTURE, UM, HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT WITHOUT EXPANDING, UH, THE ROAD CAPACITY TOO MUCH TO ALLOW SOME KIND OF FLOWING? SO I THINK IT'S ALL PART OF ONE CONVERSATION AND WE GOT TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT, UM, MY RESIDENTS OR MY CITIZENS ARE SAYING WE GOT STUCK FOR, IT HAPPENED TWO WEEKS.
SO, AND MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, UM, WE'RE MADE UP OF VIOLENCE, THERE'S CHOKE POINTS.
WHEN YOU HAVE AN ACCIDENT, ANYWHERE IN THAT CHALLENGE CREEK AREA, THERE'S NO WAY AROUND IT.
I WILL TELL YOU, AND I'M VERY PROUD TO TELL YOU THIS.
CAUSE I WAS ON THAT SCENE THAT WITHIN 15 MINUTES WE HAD ONE LANE OF TRAFFIC FLOWING.
UM, NOW THE ENTIRE ROAD WAS BLOCKED BY THE OVERTURNED DUMP TRUCK AND THE, IN THE VEHICLE, THE OTHER VEHICLE THAT WAS INVOLVED, WE ACTUALLY PULLED A SIGN OVER THE SIDE OF ITEM ROAD AND HAD TRAFFIC RUNNING UP IN THE GRASS BECAUSE IT WAS THIS SIDE OF THE CHILD CREEK BRIDGE.
IT WASN'T ACTUALLY ON THE BRIDGE.
UH, VERY PROUD TO TELL YOU THAT IN 15 MINUTES, AND THAT REALLY WAS WAITING ON THE AMBULANCE TO TRANSPORT THE CRITICALLY ILL PERSON.
BUT WITHIN 15 MINUTES WE HAD ONE LANE OF TRAFFIC AND WORKING WITH BUFORD COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, WE WERE ALTERNATING.
BUT THE FACT THAT THE MATTER IS THAT'S A CHOKE POINT AND YOU HAVE ALL THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE EITHER GOING OUT TO HARBOR HUNTING AND PREP TO WORK OR COMING IN FROM SAN LEAH TO WORK POINTS UNKNOWN.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT YOU KNOW, UM, WE DO THE ABSOLUTE BEST WE CAN, BUT IT'S, UH, THERE'S SEVERAL CHOKE POINTS ON AND PARKWAY DID.
THERE'S NONE AN ALTERNATIVE ROUTE TO GO AROUND AND FLOW TRAFFIC, UH, AND W WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THAT AND WORK AS HARD AS WE CAN, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT COMES UP TO GO TO WORK AT EIGHT O'CLOCK ACCIDENT HAPPENED AT SEVEN 30 AND THEY'RE GOING TO GET TRAFFIC AND SIT, SIT FOR A LONG TIME.
THE SECOND INCIDENT WAS AT THE LIGHT AT WALMART.
AND, UH, WE WERE ABLE, AGAIN, VERY QUICKLY DIVERT TRAFFIC CITY PD AND SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
AND I WORK VERY WELL PUT UP CONES AND WE ABLE TO WORK DRIVING, BUT IT'S A JOKE POINT.
SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LONG TIME TO GET AROUND THAT.
AND THEN ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO LOOK AT WAYS OF IMPROVING THAT SO WE CAN RELIEVE IT THE LENGTH OF TIME.
UH, YEAH, I MEAN, I DO THINK THAT THE NINE PROJECTS THAT ARE TEED UP, UM, THAT WERE PASSED IN 2018, WE'LL, WE'LL HELP WITH THAT.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE BRIDGE IS THE BRIDGE AND CHALLENGES BRIDGE IS GOING TO BE PROBABLY GOING TO BE A CHOKE POINT.
BUT ONCE YOU GET ACROSS THE BRIDGE TOWARDS LADY'S ISLAND, UM, AROUND THE WALMART CREATING THESE DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES TO BYPASS THE MAIN INTERSECTION, I THINK WILL HOPEFULLY CREATE SOME EFFICIENCY AND NOT CREATE SUCH A BOTTLENECK THAT WE, THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY.
I THINK WE'VE TRAILED OFF TWO DIFFERENT, WE'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT DISCUSSIONS COULD BE USED AS COMMUNITY.
THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY INTERRELATED, BUT I'D LIKE TO STEP BACK AND SEPARATE THEM OUT A LITTLE BIT HERE, BECAUSE I THINK WE DO HAVE AN ACTION ITEM, UH, THAT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED WITH THE COUNTY AND THE CITY AND TALKING ABOUT LAND USE AND, AND THAT WHOLE DISCUSSION IS IMPORTANT.
UM, AND, AND SO I GUESS, UM, UH, WHERE I'M, WHAT, WHAT I'M WONDERING NOW IS, UM, HOW DOES THAT GET AT, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING SINCE OCTOBER WHEN WE HAD THAT INITIAL DISCUSSION, UH, WE'RE MOVING THAT DISCUSSION FORWARD TO TODAY.
HOW DO WE, UH, GET AN ACTION PLAN, UH, MOVING, UH, TO, UH, ACTUALLY START TO DO THAT? UM,
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IT'S TIME.I MEAN, IF WE'RE, I THINK I'M IN AGREEMENT, UM, IT'S TIMELY FOR THE CITY BECAUSE WE PASSED OUR FORM-BASED CODE IN 2017, 2018.
UM, AND I, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M A HUGE FAN OF THE FORM-BASED CODE.
I'M A HUGE FAN OF THE TRANSECTS, BUT I THINK WHAT WE'VE FOUND IS THAT WE NEED SOME SLIGHT MODIFICATIONS TO SEVERAL OF OUR ZONING CLASSES.
YOU KNOW, YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY BEFORE THAT, WE'D GO FROM LIKE T4 IN T4 NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ALLOWS SOME PRETTY LIMITED COMMERCIAL DENSITY.
AND THEN THE JUMP IS TO T FIVE UC, WHICH IS URBAN CORRIDOR, WHICH IS FIVE STORIES, VERY INTENSE, VERY URBAN.
UM, AND TO ME, THAT'S TOO BROAD OF A JUMP.
THERE NEEDS TO BE A BIT OF A MIDDLE CATEGORY THERE.
IT SOFTENS THAT TRANSITION TO SOME OF OUR TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
YOU KNOW, THE USES COMMITTEE IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE.
YOU WOULDN'T DARE GO TO, UH, YOU KNOW, A COUNTY T2 TO A T FIVE.
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST TOO HARD OF A LINE.
SO INTERNALLY THE CITY, NOT JUST IN OUR OUTSIDE AREAS OF REGROWTH BOUNDARIES, BUT AROUND SOME OF OUR CORE CITY AREAS, WE'RE FINDING THAT THERE'S TOO HARD OF A TRANSITION.
WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SOFTEN SOME OF THOSE THINGS TO, TO ALLOW MIXED USE, TO ALLOW COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL, TO FUNCTION TOGETHER.
BUT AGAIN, TO BE AT A SCALE THAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR EXISTING EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO AGAIN, I SAY IT'S TIMELY BECAUSE I THINK THOSE THINGS COULD PROBABLY BE SORT OF WORK TOGETHER.
AND THE CITY'S ALREADY OPEN TO LOOKING AT SOME DIFFERENT SORT OF ZONING ZONING CLASSES, I GUESS WHAT YOU CALL IT, MIKE, FOR A SECOND, TO ME, THIS DISCUSSION WAS IMPORTANT.
THE STEERING COMMITTEE ON THE LADIES, I ISLAND LAB, AND I WAS, WE'VE HAD ALL THESE DISGUISES ABOUT THE GIRLS BOUNDARY.
UM, I THINK AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TWO JURISDICTIONS WOULD BE REALLY USEFUL IF WE COULD SET A BRIGHT LINE AS TO WHERE THE HIGHER ZONING STOPS, WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE EASTERN EDGE OF WALMART AND I KEEP GETTING BOTHERED BY THAT BIG FOR SALE SIGN SITTING RIGHT ON THE RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF THAT.
OH, AND THAT ONE'S ON, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO THERE'S, YES, IT'S A PART OF THE AIRPORT JUNCTION FRAUD THAT CAME IN WITH DISTANT ISLAND, BUT WALMART, ALL THAT CAME IN TOGETHER BACK IN 2008, I GUESS, AND IT'S A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH A LOCAL PROPERTY OWNER THAT HAS PROTECTED DENSITIES.
UM, BUT REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO WITH ZONING, UNLESS WE CAN CRACK OPEN THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND FORCE THEM TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, WE'RE SORT OF BEHOLDEN TO A LEGACY POD, BUT I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, MAYOR, I THINK THE THERE'S LOW LAND.
IT'S A LOT OF WETLANDS BACK THERE, VERY DIFFICULT TO DEVELOP ANYWHERE PAST ABOUT ALMOST A QUARTER OR A HALF AN ACRE BACK FROM THE MAIN ROADWAY AND PHIL ORDINANCE WILL HELP.
I THINK, TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO OUT THERE.
UM, KEEPING IN MIND, WE STILL GOT THE SECOND CHUNK OF THE AIRPORT JUNCTION, UM, DEVELOPMENT THERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF AND PARKWAY THAT HAVEN'T TURNED A SHOVEL FULL OF DIRT, BUT IT'S BEEN, UH, IT'S BEEN APPROVED, UM, TO DEAL WITH.
UM, AND TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN ENSURE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS KEEP THAT TRANSITION BETWEEN WALMART AND SHOW AND GREET, BRIDGE CLEAN.
THAT'S THE GOAL, I THINK, OF AN INTER-GOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT OR HOW WE'RE IT HAS TO BE WELL, AND, AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE YOU START WITH THE LAND USE PLANNING AND YOU GET AN AGREEMENT PUTTING THE COUNTY IN THE CITY OF WHAT THE APPROPRIATE LAND USE IS.
AND THEN BASED ON LAND USE, YOU CAN REDEVELOP YOUR ZONING ORDINANCES AND THE MORE GRANULAR INFORMATION THAT NEEDS TO GO ALONG WITH THAT.
BUT YOU START OUT WITH GETTING TO THE LAND USE.
SO IF, IF, IF WE CAN START WITH THAT AND GET THAT, UH, GOING, UH, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, THEN, THEN, THEN WE CAN REFLECT ON THAT WITH, UNFORTUNATELY, DON'T SEE ANYBODY FROM MY COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT HERE, ANYBODY.
WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU'RE READY TO DO A LAND USE PLAN WITH THE COUNTY ON THE USAGE? UM, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN SPEAK FOR THE COUNTY.
I'M VERY NOW, BUT, UM, THE COUNTY VETERANS, UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UM, IT'D BE GREAT TO, WELL, THEY'RE FINISHING UP WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO NOW THEY'VE GOT TIME ON THEIR HANDS.
AND AT LEAST THE CONVERSATION CAN GET STARTED AND THEN WE CAN GO FROM THERE AND STUFF.
SO YEAH, I WAS THINKING THAT THERE'S KIND OF TWO WAYS TO APPROACH THIS ONE IS THE COUNTY, HAS WE JUST ADOPTED A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? WE SPECIFICALLY DEAL WITH THE USES COMMUNITY WHERE BEFORE I BELIEVE OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP IN OUR COMP PLAN, HAD IT YELLOW OR RESIDENTIAL ALL THE WAY TO CHALON CREEK, WE HAVE CHANGED THAT TO RURAL IN OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
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YOU KNOW, SO ONE WAY WOULD BE JUST TO MAKE THIS MORE OF A STAFF LEVEL DISCUSSION ABOUT IF WE AGREED ON THIS LADY'S PLAN FOR EUSTACE, WHAT TOOLS WOULD BE NECESSARY FOR THE CITY TO, TO ADOPT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF LANTUS ANNEX OR, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OTHER STEP WOULD BE TO GO INTO THE COMMUNITY.I WOULD SAY THE ONE DOWNSIDE TO THAT IS THAT I THINK THAT THEY'RE PROBABLY ABOUT SOME MEMBERS, SOME RESIDENTS, REAL APPREHENSION ABOUT CITY ANNEXATION AND THAT KIND OF OPENS UP THAT WHOLE.
SO YEAH, I THINK THE QUESTION IS, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT IS MORE OF A STAFF TERRIFIC PROCESS FOLLOWING THAT ALREADY, YOU KNOW, A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT'S ALREADY GONE THROUGH PUBLIC REVIEW OR IS THIS SOMETHING WHERE WE DO A COMMUNITY-BASED PLAN? MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT WE STARTED OUT WITH THE STAFF LED, UM, PLANNING TO YOU, BRING THE RESULTS OF THAT PLANNING BACK TO NERVIK.
LET US ALL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, A DECISION AS TO WHETHER HOW, UH, HOW THAT PROCEEDS PAST THAT POINT THEN CAN BE DECIDED, BUT IT'S GOT, UH, IN MY MIND SO THAT WE'RE NOT CHASING OUR TAILS.
WE'VE ALREADY GOT A LOT OF THE GROUNDWORK DONE ON IT.
LET'S, LET'S LET THE STAFF, UH, PUSH IT FORWARD, UH, GET US TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN ALL INDIVIDUALLY TAKE A LOOK AT IT, UH, AGREE, DISAGREE, MODIFY, AND THEN DECIDE WHAT THE NEXT STEP MIGHT BE IF THERE IS ANY NEXT STEP TO THAT.
I GENERALLY AGREE WITH THAT FROM THE, AS I RECALL, AND I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT IN A WHILE.
THE ZONING ALONG THERE'S MOSTLY DOES A T2 RURAL COMMERCIAL IT'S T2 RURAL.
UM, IT'S, I THINK IT'S A COMBINATION OF T2 RURAL AND T2 RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THIS IS A LEGACY GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO 99, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD APPLIES TO THE SMALLER PROPERTIES AND IT GIVES SMALL PROPERTY OWNERS GREATER FLEXIBILITY.
BUT, UM, WITH YOUR COMP PLAN, I MEAN, TAKE THE CITY OUT OF THE EQUATION, RIGHT? YEAH.
SAY WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ANNEXATIONS OR ANYTHING WITH YOUR NEW COMP PLAN.
WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE ZONING CHANGES ALONG THE CORRIDOR, OR DO YOU FEEL LIKE THE ZONING THAT EXIST TODAY IN THE COUNTY IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE FUTURE? IT WOULD BE OUR POSITION IS STAFF THAT WE WOULD NOT RECOMMEND ANY UPSETTING BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT AREA BASICALLY, UH, EAST OF BOULEVARD IS RURAL.
SO WE'D BE, YOU KNOW, ANY KIND OF, UH, ROBOT.
HOW ABOUT DOWN ZONING? THERE'S NOWHERE TO GO.
I MEAN, IT'S A RURAL RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY, SO WE ALREADY HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME SMALLER PROPERTIES KIND OF SIMILAR TO THE PATTERN OF DEVELOPMENT HAVE ON ST.
I DON'T KNOW THE SETTING WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
I'D SAY, YOU KNOW, THE WAY OUR COMPETENCE PLAN IS WE WOULD NOT RECOMMEND ANY CHANGE IN STONING IN THAT AREA.
THE POINT IS IF THE COUNTY AND THE RESIDENTS ARE HAPPY WITH THE ZONING THAT EXISTS TODAY.
I MEAN, I THINK FOR THE CITY STANDPOINT, HOW DO WE MOST CLOSELY MATCH ZONING CLASS THAT ALIGNS WITH WHAT YOU OFFER TODAY? RIGHT.
SO I THINK IT'S, I THINK TO YOUR POINT, I THINK STAFF'S GETTING TOGETHER AND JUST SORT OF COMPARING THE DETAILS.
I MEAN, MAYBE THERE'S SOME NUANCE CHANGES TO SOME PARTS OF THE CORRIDOR, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE THE SAME.
AND IT'S REALLY NOT, IT, IT'S NOT A CHANGE TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE'RE NOT CHANGED IN THE LAND USE POLICIES.
WE'RE JUST SAYING, IF ANYTHING, THEY'RE GETTING GREATER PROTECTION BECAUSE OF THE CITY ANNEXES, WE'RE AGREEING TO THIS, THIS FRAMEWORK FOR THE COMMUNITY.
SO, UM, I THINK AT THAT STANDPOINT, BECAUSE WE JUST DID OUR CONFERENCE A PLAN, IT MAKES SENSE TO DO IT, THE STAFF LEVEL AND JUST FOLLOW.
I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO ME IS THAT ALL THE BASICS ARE PROBABLY, THEY'RE PROBABLY IN GOOD SHAPE HOWEVER, BECAUSE IT IS, UH, AN AREA THAT IS BOTH CITY AND COUNTY, UH, I THINK, UH, MEETING OF THE MINDS, MAKING SURE WE WERE AGREEING ON EVERYTHING IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF AGREEING ON THE LAND USE AND POINTING OUT THE SPECIFIC AREAS THAT ARE PROBLEMATIC, IF YOU WILL.
UH, AND HOW, AND WHAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS ARE TO DEAL WITH THAT.
IF IT, IF IN FACT THOSE ARE AS POINTED OUT JUST AN ISLAND AS AN EXAMPLE.
UM, YEAH, I MEAN, I I'D SAY KEEP IT SIMPLE AND IT'S A DEVELOPING THE TOOLS THAT CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE AT THAT LOWER END OF THE TRANSECT.
SO, UM, WE HAVE AN ACTION ITEM LIST.
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT, UH, THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO JUST ADD TO THE ACTION ITEM LIST? UH, SOMETHING IS GOING TO BE DONE,
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AND THEN WE GET A REPORT ON THAT, UH, UNTIL WE GET, UH, SOMETHING THAT COMES BACK TO NEUROBIC, UH, AS A, UH, POSITION, A POSITION REPORT BY STAFF.OKAY, WELL, LET'S DO, UM, LIKE I SAID, COMMENT, THE ACTION ITEM LIST ITEM NUMBER ONE ACTUALLY GETS INTO THIS, THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.
UH, WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LONG TIME ABOUT CHANGING OR MODIFYING OR UPDATING THE PLAN OR REVEALING THE 90 PAGE DOCUMENT, THE GUTTER, THAT DOCUMENT, UH, REALLY PERTAINED TO INTERGOVERNMENT AGREEMENT WROTE BOUNDARIES, UM, AND, AND THE, THE BASE CONDITIONS, REGIONAL GROWTH, UM, THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE AND USES COULD BE THE, THAT UPDATE OR MODIFICATION AS WE GO FORWARD BASED ON THE AGREEMENTS REACH.
AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER AREAS LIKE THE NORTHERN REGIONAL, UM, UH, LADIES ISLAND IS IT'S ANOTHER CONSIDERATION FOR INTER-GOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENTS AND POTENTIAL GROWTH AND EXPANSION.
AND YET THERE'S A THIRD ONE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON OVER IN THE EMBASSY.
SO MY POINT BEING IS THAT, UH, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AN ACTION ITEM, I THINK IT IT'S, THIS IS RETAINED AS THIS PERTAINS TO THE NORTHERN REGIONAL IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AGREEMENTS ESTABLISHED BY RESOLUTION BACK IN 2009.
THIS ISSUE WE'RE DISCUSSING NOW.
AND THE OTHER TWO, I MENTIONED WOULD BE A PERFECT ACTION ITEM TO LIST AS MORE SPECIFICITY UNDER ITEM ONE.
UM, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I GUESS, UH, ORIGINALLY WHEN WE'RE TAKING A LOOK AT THIS, WE WERE LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL WRITTEN MANDATE.
THIS IS INFORMATION THAT KIND OF WILL, UH, GO INTO THE WRITTEN MANDATE.
UM, AND, AND SO I STILL SEE IT AS A SEPARATE ITEM, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY IN A RELATED TO THAT.
OR MAYBE THIS IS A, B AND C UNDER THAT ITEM.
I THINK THIS WOULD BE A, YOU KNOW, THE USE OF THIS COMMUNITY PLAN AND IT'D BE NORTHERN LADY'S ISLAND.
SEE, YOU HAVEN'T SEEN FAIR FAIR ENOUGH, BECAUSE THOSE NEED TO BE COMPLETED BEFORE WE GET THE FINAL WORDING ON THE MANDATE IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
UM, OR WE DO IT AT STATUS BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN STEPS, UH, IN ORDER TO GET TO THE END, THE MANDATED TO BE THE FINAL, UM, FINAL WRITTEN.
AND IT MAY BE, YOU CAN, UH, GIVE US THE A, A, B AND C COMPONENTS TO THAT, THAT YOU WERE DISCUSSING THAT, UH, I CAN STICK IN HERE THEN I, ROB AND I HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS EARLIER, AND, UM, I THINK HE IN ADDRESS THE SPECIFICITY OF WHAT WOULD GO IN THERE UNDER BNC, MORE THAN ME, BUT CERTAINLY YES, WHAT SPECIFIC ACTIONS ARE THINGS WE NEED TO KEEP ON OUR PLATE FOR THEIR IMPACTS ON THE MUNICIPALITIES AND THE COUNTY.
ANY, ANY, UH, FURTHER DISCUSSION ON, UH, THE EUSTIS COMMUNITY BOUNDARY DISCUSSIONS.
UH, LADIES, I DON'T REALLY CENTER, UH, MASTER PLAN.
UM, AND, UH, UH, IF YOU, IF YOU RECALL, UH, THERE WERE TWO SEPARATE ITEMS THAT WERE PRESENTED, UH, FOR THE LIP AND VILLAGE CENTER, ONE RELATED SPECIFICALLY TO THE, UH, VILLAGE CENTER ITSELF AND ANOTHER ONE RELATED TO, UH, THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT, UM, FOR THAT BOTH OF WHICH WERE MOVED FORWARD, UH, AND VOTED IN NATIONALLY TO, TO MOVE ON TO NEXT STEPS.
SO, UH, WITH THAT, UH, TURN TO ROB HERE TO DISCUSS THE VILLAGE CENTER PLAN.
OKAY, WELL, UM, WE, UH, THE MEETING, I GUESS, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, WHERE WE SAT DOWN WITH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WITH, UM, DIFFERENT COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVES TO TALK ABOUT THE COMMITMENT TO A VILLAGE CENTER MASTER PLAN.
UM, AND SO ONE OF THE TAKEAWAYS AT THAT MEETING, OR THE DIRECTION THAT WE GOT FROM THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR IS TO LOOK AT WHAT, WHAT STEPS COULD WE TAKE STAFF OR DO SOME SORT OF CONCENTRATED STAFF LEVEL, UM, WORK THAT COULD FEED INTO SOME OF THE DESIRED OUTCOMES THAT WE WANT FROM THE VILLAGE CENTER MASTER PLAN.
AND I THINK FROM SITTING DOWN WITH MIKE TOMI AND, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT YOUR, WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE COME OUT OF THIS, THE NUMBER ONE THING WOULD BE, I GUESS, THIS, UM,
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KIND OF IN THE, ANALYZING THE ZONING, UM, IN, IN THE VILLAGE CENTER AND IDENTIFYING AREAS WHERE THE CITY AND THE COUNTY HAVE DISCREPANCIES OR WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S KIND OF A DIFFERENCE OF VISION, UM, AND COMING UP WITH, UH, STEPS FORWARD, WHETHER IT'S AN OVERLAY OR, UM, REWORKING THE DISTRICTS, BUT YOU KNOW THAT, AND I'LL SAY THAT, I THINK WE'RE CLOSER TO THAT GOAL THAT I THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT MAYBE IS PERCEIVED BECAUSE WE BOTH HAVE TRANSECTS OF ROADS, UH, LADY'S ISLAND.SO, YOU KNOW, WE ALREADY HAD THAT VISION OF WALKABLE COMMUNITY AND THE RIGHT ZONING TOOLS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
UM, BUT I THINK WE'RE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, KIND OF IDENTIFYING THINGS THAT WERE, UM, THAT ARE CONCERNS LIKE DRIVE-THROUGHS, YOU KNOW, OR HOW DO WE HANDLE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST A HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND SO USING THIS AS A WAY TO ADDRESS THAT, I THINK THE OTHER ONE IS LOOKING AT ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE ANTICIPATE TO THE PENNY SALES TAX PROJECTS.
UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO BE CREATING THIS NETWORK OF STREETS, BUT THERE'S STILL AN OPPORTUNITY FOR INTERCONNECTIVITY IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND THEN ALSO THAT WORKING AS ACCESS MANSION ON THE SEA ISLAND, UH, PARKWAY, YOU KNOW, SO CONNECTING BUSINESSES TO SIGNALIZE INTERSECTIONS AND HOW THAT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED.
UM, AND SO ONE OF THE THOUGHTS WE HAD IS WE COULD MAYBE DO A CONCENTRATED EFFORT RATHER THAN THIS BE SOME LONG PROTRACTED, IT'S TREATED MORE LIKE A WORKSHOP, HAVE IT LARGELY STAFF INITIATED WITH, WITH ASSISTANCE FROM THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE LADY'S ISLAND PLAN, AND THEN HIRE SOMEBODY AS A FACILITATOR COULD HELP, I GUESS, GUIDE THAT DISCUSSION IN AND PRODUCE SOME VISUAL RESULTS OF, OF THIS, YOU KNOW, BUT I ALWAYS SAY SOMETHING THAT IS MUCH MORE STAFF INITIATED WITH SOMEBODY COMING IN PROFESSIONALLY TO ACT MORE AS A FACILITATOR.
UM, AND SO WHAT WE ANTICIPATE IS KICKING THIS OFF AND FINISHING IT WITHIN, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, UH, MOST OF THE WORK IS CONCENTRATED IN A FEW DAYS, BUT, YOU KNOW, BEGINNING TO END, WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE NO MORE THAN A MONTH.
SO TO HAVING A VERY CLEAR PATH FORWARD AFTER, AFTER WE DO THE WORK, IS THAT, WOULD YOU SAY THAT WAS A KIND OF WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT? YEAH.
UH, AND I HAD DONE A MOCK-UP RFP THAT INCLUDED A LOT OF THE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED WITH ALL OF THE OTHER PREVIOUS PLANNING PROCESSES THAT HAVE BEEN VERY PUBLIC, UH, BY THE WAY, AS WELL, A LOT OF PUBLIC INPUT INTO THOSE.
THIS IS TAKING A MORE GRANULAR LOOK AT IT AND, UH, BRINGING ON A LAND, UH, PLANNING EXPERT WITH, UH, MY SUGGESTION WAS MINIMUM, ABOUT 10 YEARS EXPERIENCE THAT COULD HELP, UH, GUIDE US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, UM, PRODUCE SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE THE MOST BENEFICIAL FOR THE, UM, FOR THE VILLAGE CENTER.
AND, UH, THAT LAND PLANNING EXPERTISE, I THINK WILL BECOME, UH, UH, VERY IMPORTANT TOWARDS, UH, THE, THE PROCESS.
I'VE DONE A LOT OF PLANNING, DONE LAND PLANNING, BUT I'M NOT LAND PLANNING EXPERT AS PROBABLY MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT WILL BE THERE FROM THE STAFF STANDPOINT.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THAT PERSON WOULD BE BE THERE.
WELL, I WILL, UM, I WILL BE FRANK AND SAY, I COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH THE EQUITY.
AND WHILE I APPRECIATE STAFF'S WILLINGNESS TO DIVE INTO A RELATIVELY COMPLEX SUBJECT, I HAVE TWO, TWO CONCERNS.
MY FIRST CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK FOR COUNTY PLANNING STAFF, BUT I WILL SAY RIGHT NOW, MY CITY PLANNING STAFF, WE DO NOT HAVE THE EXPERTISE AND THE CAPACITY IN-HOUSE TO GET THE DESIRED OUTCOME FOR THE LIAISON VILLAGE MASTER PLAN.
AND SO I THINK WE NEED AN OUTSIDE EXPERT SIMILAR TO THE BOUNDARY STREET MASTER PLAN, BOUNDARY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WE DID BACK IN 2005 OR SIX.
LET ME TO GO TO THAT, THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL IN TERMS OF ZONING, TRANSPORTATION, INFRASTRUCTURE, DESIGN STANDARDS, ALL OF THESE THINGS HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER TO INTERFACE, TO GET THE DESIRED PLACE.
AND I DON'T THINK NEITHER THE COUNTY NOR THE CITY RIGHT NOW HAS MANY OF THOSE ELEMENTS IN PLACE.
AND I CHALLENGE OUR ABILITY TO PUT THEM IN PLACE.
MY OTHER CONCERN IS THAT THE PROCESS IS BEING PROPOSED, DOES NOT INCLUDE
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TRANSPARENCY OR CITIZEN INPUT ON THE FRONT END.AND I THINK SEA ISLAND RESIDENTS AND LADIES ISLAND RESIDENTS SPECIFICALLY, ESPECIALLY THE PROPERTY OWNERS NEED TO BE BROUGHT IN ON THE FRONT END TO DO PUBLIC CHARRETTES ON EXACTLY WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THEIR DOWNTOWN LADIES ISLAND AND VILLAGE MASTER PLAN.
AND I DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TO SPEND AN EXORBITANT AMOUNT OF MONEY ON CONSULTANTS TO GO THROUGH THIS EXERCISE, WHICH MAY TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME.
BUT IF WE'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION AGAIN ABOUT SPENDING TWO, THREE, $400 MILLION ON BRIDGES TO HELP MANAGE DENSITY, I THINK IT'S WORTH SPENDING A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS ON A CONSULTANT TO TRY TO REORGANIZE THE CENTER OF THE ISLAND, WHERE EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO GET THROUGH TO MAKE THEM VILLAGE MASTER PLAN.
SO I MAINTAIN THAT IT'S NOT FAR ENOUGH, AND WE OUGHT TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE WORK TOGETHER TO BRING IN A LEVEL OF WELL-RESPECTED CONSULTANT TO HELP US ORGANIZE ALL OF THESE THINGS.
UM, THAT'S BEEN MY POSITION FOR TWO PLUS YEARS NOW.
UM, BUT ALL THAT BEING SAID, IF COUNTY ADMINISTRATION AND CITY ADMINISTRATION AND COUNTY COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE A WILLINGNESS TO GO THAT FAR FOR LADY'S ISLAND, I'M OBVIOUSLY OUT VOTED.
SO SOMETHING IS BETTER THAN NOTHING.
SO I WOULD SUPPORT THE EFFORT IF THERE'S NO APPETITE FOR GOING, WHAT I THINK IS OUR APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF PLANNING PROCESS, LIKE WE'VE DONE WITH BOUNDARY STREET AND OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY.
YEAH, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH MAYOR WHATSOEVER.
I THINK I MADE THAT CLEAR BEFORE, BUT, UH, I TOTALLY AGREE THAT, UM, MOVING IT FORWARD IS IMPORTANT TO ME.
UH, WE NEED TO MOVE SOMETHING FORWARD.
UH, AND AGAIN, THAT'S A DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY IS TO, UH, FINANCIALLY SUPPORTING, UH, THE MORE IN DEPTH STUDY, WHICH I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD AGREE.
IT WAS PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE WOULD RATHER SEE, BUT IT'S, UH, UH, TO ME SPENDING THE LAST TWO YEARS TRYING TO MOVE SOMETHING FORWARD, UM, UH, I HATE TO SEE THIS JUST STOP AGAIN FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS, UH, BECAUSE THEN WE HAVE NO OPTION WE WHATEVER'S DEVELOPED IS DEVELOPED AND THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT'S GOING TO BE.
UH, AND I AM MUCH MORE OF A PROPONENT TO MOVE IT FORWARD, MOVING IT.
IF THE DESIRE IS NOT TO SPEND THE MONEY TO GO FARTHER, UH, I THINK THE PROPOSAL AND GOING FORWARD THIS FAR AT LEAST GETS US TO THAT FIRST STEP.
AND I THINK A REPORT BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE AS TO THE RESULTS OF THAT EFFORT, UH, THE, UH, NURSE CAN THEN MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHETHER THEY, UM, WOULD SUPPORT GOING BACK TO CITY COUNCIL INTO, UH, UH, AND COUNTY FOR ADDITIONAL MONIES TO, UH, EXPAND THE, UH, EXPAND THE PROCESS WE PUT, I THINK WE'VE GOT $50,000 IDENTIFIED IN THIS PAST YEAR AS BUDGET THAT'S, THAT'S SITTING THERE.
UM, AND SO WE'RE IN THE, CITY'S WILLING TO PUT IN SOME MONEY.
I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S A DEBATE ABOUT WHAT'S THE APPROPRIATE SPLIT.
UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS CERTAINLY HAS A RESPONSIBILITY CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE ON THE ISLAND.
AND I THINK 30% OF THE CORRIDOR, THE CORRIDOR, NOT LADY'S ISLAND, 30% OF THE CORRIDOR IS CURRENTLY IN THE CITY.
SO THE BULK OF IT IS STILL IN THE UNINCORPORATED COUNTY.
UM, THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF LADIES OUT IN THE SEA ISLANDS ARE IN THE UNINCORPORATED COUNTY.
SO AT THE RISK OF SAYING, IT'S YOUR FAULT OR YOUR PROBLEM, I THINK THE BULK OF THE RESPONSIBILITY FALLS ON UNINCORPORATED COUNTY, BUT I DON'T WANNA GET BOGGED DOWN IN THAT BECAUSE WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT IS THAT WE BRING IN CITIZENS, THEIR VISION OF WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE IN THEIR SORT OF VILLAGE CENTER IS INCORPORATED IN WHATEVER WE DO.
AND I THINK THAT DOES TWO THINGS.
ONE IT'S LISTENING TO RESIDENTS, WHICH WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO DO, BUT TWO, I THINK AS WE TRY TO MAKE REGULATORY CHANGES AND WHETHER IT'S ZONING OR DESIGN STANDARDS OR TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE, IT HELPS SOFTEN SOME OF THE PUBLIC PUSHBACK THAT WE FOUND ON THE BACKEND BECAUSE CITIZENS HAVE BEEN ENGAGED ON THE FRONT END.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I MAINTAIN THAT SOME OF THESE CONSULTANTS FOR BETTER OR WORSE, THIS IS WHAT THEY DO FOR A LIVING AND THEY KNOW HOW TO COME IN AND THEY KNOW HOW TO BRING THE PUBLIC TO THE TABLE.
THEY KNOW HOW TO ORGANIZE THE PROCESS, TO CAPTURE THAT FEEDBACK IN AN APPROPRIATE WAY.
AND THEY HELP US WORK AROUND SOME OF THESE LEGACY ZONING, DESIGN, STANDARD ISSUES AND AUTO CENTRIC, YOU KNOW, TRANSPORTATION BASED DESIGN.
AND, AND WE GOTTA MOVE BACK TO MORE OF A TRADITIONAL CITY BUILDING APPROACH.
AND I THINK LADY'S ISLAND SAY THE VILLAGE MASTER PLAN IS, YOU KNOW, OUGHT TO BE A TRADITIONAL SORT OF CITY DOWNTOWN AT SOME POINT
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OVER TIME, MAKE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE I'M CRAZY.UM, I DON'T THINK WE'RE THERE TODAY.
I GUESS I'M GOING TO JUST THROW OUT A KIND OF PLAYING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE.
WE HAVE THE RIGHT REGULATORY FRAMEWORK.
IT'S NOT PERFECT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO TRANSECT SUMS THAT, BRING THE DEVELOPMENT UP TO THE STREETS, YOU KNOW, REQUIRE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY DEVELOPMENT.
WE HAVE A, UM, AT LEAST RIGHT NOW, AS FAR AS MOVING FORWARD ON THE SEA ISLAND PARKWAY CORRIDOR, WE'RE LOOKING AT A CROSS SECTION WITH, YOU KNOW, FOR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT WIDENING FIVE LANES, WE'RE LOOKING AT THREE LANES, A PLANTER STRIP, 10 FOOT BALL TO USE PATH.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO WE HAVE THOSE COMPONENTS OF PLACE.
WHAT WOULD SAY, WOULD YOU SAY THE DANGER, IF WE DID NOTHING, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD, WELL, I THINK THE DANGER, WE DO NOTHING.
SO I MEAN, THIS, THIS CBO ISSUE THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CURRENT COUNTY'S ZONING, YOU KNOW, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE SPECIAL USE, RIGHT, WILL ALLOW A HIGH INTENSITY DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT IN THE, IN THE HEART OF WHAT SHOULD BE THE VILLAGE MASTER PLAN OR THE VILLAGE CENTER, RIGHT.
THAT'S LIKE, THAT'S LIKE PUTTING A CHAIN RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH ON CARTER REGISTRY.
AND IN MY OPINION, LONGTERM, AND THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE.
IS WENDY'S AND I'M NOT ARGUING THAT'S PAST THE INTERSECTION.
I THINK THE VISION HAS BEEN FROM THE PUBLIX TILL THE WOODS MEMORIAL BRIDGE IS THE LADY'S.
I THEN SOME GEOGRAPHY, YOU KNOW, EAST AND WEST OF THERE, IT BECOMES THE VILLAGE CENTER.
I MEAN, I AGREE THAT SHIP HAS SAILED IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE ISLAND, BUT IT IS SIMILAR TO A BOUNDARY STREET.
YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, THE STARBUCKS HAS A DRIVE-THROUGH, BUT THAT'S, I THINK SORT OF MIGHT BE ONE OF THE LAST ONES EXCEPT FOR HOW IT'S, HOW IT'S DESIGNED APPROPRIATELY.
AND I'M NOT JUST PICKING ON THE COUNTY, THE CITY, FOR EXAMPLE, I KNOW THE FILLING STATION, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE ZONING ON THE FILLING STATION IS, WHICH IS IN THE CITY AND YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT ALLOWS EVERYTHING, A FIVE STORY BUILDING, RIGHT? WHO THINKS A FIVE STORY BUILDING ALONG THE CORRIDOR IS APPROPRIATE, YOU KNOW, BUT WE'VE GOT T4 IN AS THE STEP DOWN, WHICH ALLOWS, YOU KNOW, BARELY ANY VERTICAL HEIGHT, UH, VERY LIMITED COMMERCIAL.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT GETS US THERE EITHER.
AND THEN WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT DESIGN STANDARDS OF A, OF A DOWNTOWN LADY'S ISLAND, EITHER THE COUNTY OR THE CITY ZONINGS, GET US THERE.
I MEAN, MAYBE I'M MAYBE I'M WRONG, BUT THAT'S WHERE I THINK IT NEEDS A CERTAIN LEVEL OF THOUGHTFULNESS AND GIVEN THE TRANSPORTATION ISSUES THROUGH THERE AND THE POTENTIAL FOR GROWTH ON THE SEA ISLANDS, IT DESERVES SPECIAL CONSIDERATION COMPARED TO SOME OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY AND THE CITY.
I CAN JUST THROW IN A COMMENT OR A COUPLE THINGS IN PASSING.
UM, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE PROBLEM IS WE'RE BEING NIBBLED TO DEATH BECAUSE IT'S TAKEN THIS LONG TO GET TO THIS DISCUSSION.
UM, THE IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF THAT.
THE OTHER THING, I'M NOT SO SURE.
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO OUR DEFINITION OF THE, OF THE QUOTE UNQUOTE CENTER, UH, FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD FAVOR LOOKING UP, YOU KNOW, EVEN GOING UP AS FAR AS BRICKYARD POINT DOWN TO MY CHAIR BRIDGE AND OUT TO THE AIRPORT AND BACK TO THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN MORIAL BRIDGE FROM A STANDPOINT OF LAND USE PLANNING, BECAUSE I THINK WHAT YOU DO OUT THERE ON THOSE ARMS, ALONG LADY'S ISLAND DRIVE OVER OVER THE YEARS AND UP SAM'S PLAY ROAD, IT'S GOING TO AFFECT WHAT HAPPENS IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT AREA.
UM, NO, AND I THINK IF MONEY WERE, YOU KNOW, IF MONEY WERE NO THING, RIGHT, YOU DON'T TAKE A MAT GEOGRAPHIC AREA, IT MIGHT BE, MIGHT BE A GOOD THING.
I'M OPTIMISTIC THAT THE TRANSPORTATION PLANS WILL, WILL CREATE SOME SIGNIFICANT RELIEF.
I MEAN, JUST DUMPING YOUR HIGH SCHOOL TRAFFIC OUT ON TO LADY'S ISLAND, SEATTLE PARKWAY, INSTEAD OF LADIES THAT WOULD DRIVE, I THINK WILL, WOULD BE A BENEFIT.
SO I THINK WE, WE DO HAVE TO FOCUS A BIT, UM, AND IN MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THE FOCUS OUGHT TO BE ON THAT, THAT CORE, WHERE YOU'RE SEEING, YOU'RE SEEING TWO THINGS, YOU'RE SEEING THE MOST IMPACTS OF TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE ALONG THERE.
BUT I ALSO THINK A NUMBER OF THOSE SITES ARE TEED UP FOR REDEVELOPMENT AND ARE EITHER AT THEIR END OF THEIR SERVICE LIFE OR UNDER UTILIZED AND GIVEN THE VALUE OF THOSE PARCELS AND THE GROWTH THAT'S COMING ON THE ISLANDS.
YOU'RE GOING TO SEE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE, REGARDLESS OF JURISDICTION, WE'RE GOING TO SEE MORE AND MORE WILLINGNESS TO INVEST INTO REDEVELOP.
AND I DON'T THINK THE PUBLIC SET THE TABLE APPROPRIATELY.
AND THAT'S THE TENSION WE'RE SEEING WITH SOME OF THESE PROJECTS RIGHT NOW, PROBABLY AT THE TABLE.
WE'RE GETTING LISTENED TO, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER STORY ALTOGETHER.
WELL, I DANCE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
I THINK THAT YOU ASKED, SO WHAT HAPPENS IF WE JUST LET IT DEVELOP THE WAY IT IS NOW? AND MY CONCERN WITH THAT IS THAT WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS IS THAT THE, UM, THE LADIES, HOW I'M PLANNED SETS
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A, UH, SETS A VISION OF WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.I DON'T THINK THAT, UH, WHAT WE HAVE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW ACCURATELY REFLECTS WHAT THAT VISION SHOULD BE.
AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO RESET THAT.
UM, AND THAT'S PART OF THIS EFFORT IS TO SAY, THIS IS THE MORE GRANULAR DETAIL OF WHAT THAT VISION ACTUALLY IS AND HOW IT'S CARRIED OUT.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M AFRAID OF IS IF WE ALLOW IT TO JUST DEVELOP, UH, THE WAY IT, UH, THE WAY IT MIGHT DEVELOP THROUGH OTHER DEVELOPERS, UM, I'M NOT SURE WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THAT VISION.
SO, UM, AND THAT'S WHY SAME THING AS THE PERFECT.
NOW I'M JUST KIND OF UNDERSTANDING THAT TO KIND OF FRAME WHAT IT IS WE WANT TO GET OUT OF THIS.
AND I JUST, I HAVE TO BE HONEST AT THE STAFF LEVEL, I'M AT A LEVEL WHERE I'M NOT IN THE DECISION-MAKING CAPACITY TO AGREE TO THE FUNDING.
AND I, SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY ABOUT WHETHER A PROJECT OF THE MAGNITUDE OF 200 OR 300,000, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IF WE BROUGHT IN SOMEBODY LIKE VICTOR DOVER, YOU KNOW, YOU DID THE BOUNDARY SOUP MASTER PLAN.
WE'D BE, THAT WOULD BE A DISCOUNT RATE.
AND THAT QUESTION JUST KEEPS, I FEEL LIKE IT'S GETTING BAD AT AROUND, AND NO ONE'S COMMITTING TO IT.
I, I'M VERY HESITANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, IF THERE'S VERY LUKEWARM COMMITMENT.
AND IF YOU KNOW, WE AS STAFF WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF A FACILITATOR, DEVELOP A, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE SEE IS, YOU KNOW, IF WE MAKE THESE CHANGES TO THESE TOOLS AND, OR ADOPT THIS OVERLAY, WE BELIEVE WE CAN GET THERE, BUT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE, BUY-IN, WE'RE, THAT'S A LOT OF WORK TO DO TO GET TO A POINT WHERE WE FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, THERE'S NOT STRONG SUPPORT FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING.
SO I FEEL LIKE I'M KINDA CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
YOU KNOW, I, I SEE TWO PATHS FORWARD.
ONE REALLY NEEDS PEOPLE ABOVE MY PAY GRADE TO COME UP, COME TO A DECISION TO COMMIT TO A PROJECT OF THAT MAGNITUDE.
UM, AND THAT'S BEEN BATTED AROUND, I WOULD SAY SINCE LATE 2019, AND I JUST, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE.
AND THEN THE SECOND IS IF WE ALL AGREE THAT THAT'S NOT A FEASIBLE OPTION, THAT THIS IS A GOOD STEP, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO MOVE FORWARD, BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAVE THE RIGHT TOOLS THAT NEED TO BE TWEAKED, YOU KNOW, VERSUS HAVING TO COME UP WITH A WHOLE NEW SET OF TOOLS.
UM, BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE THE SUPPORT TO DO THAT, THEN I WOULD SAY THAT.
SO SOME STAFF TIME, I THINK WHAT I HEARD IS THEY NEED TO CALL ON COUNCIL LEADERSHIP TO PRIORITY BOTH COUNCILS.
AND I AGREE WITH YOU, STEVE, UM, THAT, UM, CITIZEN PARTICIPATION IS A MUST.
UH, I THINK FOR ME, UM, CITIZEN PARTICIPATION IS GRASS ROOT INVOLVEMENT, UM, FUNDING WISE, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU COMING THROUGH TWO COUNCILS DISTRICT, PAUL AND MYSELF, UH, THAT'S SU CAN SUPPORT, AND I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ANYBODY ELSE, BUT MYSELF.
UM, EVEN IF YOU GET THE TWO COUNCIL TO SUPPORT THAT FUNDING, YOU KNOW, UM, BECOMES AN ISSUE WITH ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO MAY NOT EVEN SEE A NEED TO SPEND MONEY.
UH, SO WE GOTTA DEAL WITH THAT.
UM, THE, WHAT I, WHAT I HEAR THE INVOLVEMENT OF, UM, BUFORD CITY COUNTY COUNCIL, UH, IN THIS EFFORT, I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO FALL IN TO SOME DEGREE, THE CITY OF THE TOWEL PORT ROYAL, BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING, THEY'RE GOING TO BE IMPACT AS WELL.
THEY MAY NOT CONTRIBUTE AS MUCH TOWARD THIS EFFORT AND STUFF, BUT I THINK THE THREE ENTITIES SHOULD REALLY BE LOOKING AT THIS, UM, BECAUSE IT IMPACTS THEM GREATLY.
UM, ALICE TALKS ABOUT, UH, COMING TO PUBLIX AND NOT BEING ABLE TO, UH, HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME GETTING BACK TO PORT ROYAL.
I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY START TALKING ABOUT HOW DO WE PLAY IN FOR THAT AREA, WHICH WOULD BE A VITAL AREA IN THE FUTURE, UM, FOR THIS COUNTY AND STUFF.
SO I, I THINK THIS COMMITTEE HERE COULD, WITH THE, WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE THREE ENTITIES, UM, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIND OUT HOW WE CAN BEST FUNDERS THING HERE AND MOVE FORWARD.
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THAN THAT.I DON'T KNOW, A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS, 119 LAST YEAR RUNNING A LEAF, NICE, 23, YOU KEEP RUNNING AWAY.
WE GOT, WE SPEND $150 MILLION OF PUBLIC MONEY EVERY YEAR.
AND SO WE SITTING AROUND HERE KICKING THE CAN ABOUT A QUARTER OF A MILLION TO 350,000, RIGHT? IF FUNDING IS NOT A PROBLEM, MAKING IT UP, MAKING IT A PRIORITY AND LEADERSHIP, I, AND I TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY, RIGHT? I'M NOT, I, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE A FAILED WORKING ON THIS FOR THREE YEARS NOW THAT WE'RE NOT FURTHER ALONG.
AND I, YOU KNOW, I'M MAD AT MYSELF.
I JUST, I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT YOU HAVE TO, UM, WE HAVE TO GET AT LEAST SIX VOTES AROUND COUNCIL WAS DOING, UM, YOU AND I ARE VERY CAPTIVATING PERSONALITIES THAT I THINK WE GO MEET WITH OUR COLLEAGUES AND MAKE, AND I DON'T THINK I'LL BE, I WON'T SAY, I THINK THIS IS A CORRECT STATEMENT, BUT PART OF THE PROBLEM IS WE'VE NEVER ASKED, WELL, I'VE ASKED MY FOLKS, OKAY, WELL, WE'VE NEVER ASKED THIS COUNCIL.
WE PUT $250,000 IN THE COUNTY BUDGET TO REPAIR TENNIS COURTS.
YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I BELIEVE I DID THE CALCULATION TWO TENTHS OF 1% OF THE BUDGET, YOU KNOW, TO FUND THIS KIND OF A PROJECT, BUT WE'VE NEVER ASKED AND NEVER REALLY PREPARED THE GROUND TO GO IN AND MAKE THE ASK EITHER.
IT WOULD BECAME VERY EASY TO SAY, FINE.
LET'S DO THE LADY'S ISLAND PLAN.
AND WE PUT UP THE MONEY A FEW BUCKS TO GET THAT THING DONE.
WE'VE NEVER, EVER DEALT WITH THE ISSUE OF FUNDING, THE ACTUAL EXECUTION OF THE PLAN.
THEN, THEN DO THEY ASK I'LL I'LL I'LL I'LL DO MY EFFORT, NOT PART GONE OR SUPPORT THE APPROPRIATE COMMITTEE FOR THAT TO COME THROUGH.
THAT'S A RESOURCE, A RESOURCE THAT WAS ONE OTHER COUNSEL.
AND I THINK ALICE DIDN'T SUPPORT.
I THINK GERALD TO SUPPORT US, UH, MITCHELL, COUNCILMAN DAWSON, THEY IN-PERSON BOOKS, BUT DOING ALL THE TALKING, WHERE WERE YOU? Y'ALL ON ALL THIS, HEY, I'M ON IT.
UM, LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN, WHAT WE CAN DO.
YEAH, FOR ME, I'D LIKE TO HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE OTHER COSTS LEVEL BEFORE GO ONLINE WITH MY PERSPECTIVE AND, AND I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO MEET WITH YOU SEPARATELY TO BRING YOU UP TO DATE ON WHERE WE ARE IF YOU WANT, WHEN YOU SAY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS ON CITY COUNCIL, UH, FOR A WORK SESSION DISCUSSION ON OUR END AS WELL.
I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE.
I GUESS WE'RE KICKING THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT HERE AND SAYING THAT IN THE NEXT MONTH, WE'RE GOING TO, UH, HAVE SOME, UH, INTERACTION WITH EACH OF OUR, UH, COUNTY AND, UH, THE CITY REPRESENTATIVES TO SEE IF WE CAN PULL A VOTE TOGETHER FOR FUNDING FOR A LARGER COLOR, HOW MUCH, I MEAN, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR YOU TO MAKE A PRESENTATION, UH, NATURAL RESOURCE ON THIS ISSUE? I WOULD HAVE TO, UM, THIS NEEDS TO BE CLEARED WITH AIR BECAUSE, UH, ERIC GREENWAY IS TRIED TO WORK THROUGH THIS ISSUE, UM, THAT MY LAST, YOU KNOW, MARCHING ORDERS WERE TO DO THE SCALE-DOWN VERSION.
SO I'M NOT GOING TO ADVOCATE FOR ANYTHING THAT'S COUNTER TO ADMINISTRATOR IS NO, I THINK, AND I THINK THAT'S FAIR.
I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S POLITICAL LEADERSHIP AND COMMUNITY LEADERSHIP THAT NEEDS TO MAKE THE, THAT NEEDS TO MAKE THE ASK.
UM, AND SO I, I W WE WILL GET THIS ON CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION IN THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY.
UM, AND I'M HAPPY TO MAKE THE REQUEST TO ALICE TO PUT IT ON NATURAL RESOURCES IN FEBRUARY, OR YOU WANT TO DO IT, OR WE DO IT TOGETHER.
HOWEVER, I THINK WHAT IS YOUR MEETING IN FEBRUARY? WE MEET THE SECOND AND FOURTH TUESDAYS OF THE MONTH.
DON'T DO IT ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
I GOT TO TALK TO MY CITY MANAGER.
IT WILL MOST LIKELY BE THE FOURTH TOOL, WHICH WOULD BE FEBRUARY 22ND.
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I'LL SPEAK TO ELLIS AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE AND THEN WE MAY WANT TO PICK IT BACK WHEN YOU, YOU, UM, I MEAN, LET ME SAY, I SPEAK TO HIM AND ASK HER WHAT SHE WAS WANT TO DO, BUT I KNOW THE DILEMMA UN YEAH.SO I DON'T THINK MAYBE YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT PRESENTATION OR HOW I COULD, HOW IT COULD BE PRESENTED, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO PUT ANYBODY'S STAFF IN AN UNCOMFORTABLE POSITION.
NO MORE THAN HAPPY TO HELP WITH WHATEVER YOU GUYS DO.
I WANT NOTHING MORE THAN TO MOVE THOSE FORWARD.
AFTER FOUR YEARS WORKING ON JUST A CONVERSATION.
UM, IT MAY BE, UM, UH, YOU MAY NOT WANT TO ANSWER THIS MIC, BUT, UM, WHERE WAS PAUL? PAUL WAS IN SUPPORTIVE, BUT ALSO HE WAS ACTUALLY ON OUR TASK FORCE.
AND I DID A PRESENTATION FOR PAUL SOME MONTHS AGO, JUST BEFORE I PRESENTED IT HERE AT NERVIK.
AND, UM, IT WAS IN SPORT, BUT AT THAT TIME, AND ALSO JUST FOR CONVERSATION AND INFORMATION, UM, I THINK THAT THE ENTIRE PRESENTATION WAS SENT OUT TO EVERYBODY.
AND, UH, PART OF A PRESENTATION HAD ALL OF THE, UH, MAJOR LANDOWNERS, UH, THAT I HAD ALREADY CONTACTED THAT WERE IN FAVOR OF MOVING IT FORWARD.
SO THAT INFORMATION IS OUT THERE AND IT COULD BE USED IN A SUBSEQUENT PIECE.
LET ME ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION.
UM, AS ONE OF THE LANDOWNERS, HOW HAS THAT CONVERSATION BEEN? IT WAS REAL GOOD.
HE AND HIS WIFE, UH, MET WITH ME AT MY HOUSE.
UH, HE, UH, HE WASN'T NECESSARILY GONNA SAY, YEAH, I WANT THIS DONE.
OR NO, HE IS CONCERNED WAS, UH, THAT HE HAD A FAMILY COMPOUND OUT THERE WITH A FEW HOUSES.
HE WANTED TO KEEP HIS FAMILY TOGETHER.
I EXPRESSED TO HIM THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS DOING IN MY PROPERTY TOO.
UH, BUT AS TO, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO HAPPEN AROUND HIM, ANYHOW, HIS PROPERTY VALUE IS GOING TO GO UP.
WHAT IS, UH, WHAT HIS FAMILY DECIDES TO DO, UH, LATER ON IN LIFE? UM, WAS THERE A DECISION, THE CONVERSATION WITH I'VE HAD THE CONVERSATION? THEY WERE NOT OPPOSED TO IT TIME.
LET'S GET TOGETHER AND REBUILD SOME GOOD.
SO WE'LL GET AN UPDATE, UH, NEXT TIME AS TO HOW WE'RE DOING WITH THAT.
THE, THE OTHER PORTION OF THAT THERE WAS A, UH, A PRESENTATION THAT I DID ON TRANSPORTATION, TRANSPORTATION ELEMENTS.
I KNOW THAT NOBODY HAS MONEY IN THEIR BUDGET TO ESTABLISH A TROLLEY SYSTEM RIGHT NOW FOR EVERYTHING.
HOWEVER, UM, UH, WE COULDN'T DO THAT, UH, ANYHOW FOR A WHILE.
THE FIRST THING THAT HAS TO HAPPEN IS THE STUDY ON THE STUDY NEEDS TO BE INITIATED BY PALMETTO BREEZE FROM THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE.
UH, I'M GETTING INFORMATION ABOUT A CURRENT STUDY THAT WAS JUST DONE FOR THE AIRPORT.
THAT WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY THE SAME SIZE OF THIS, HOW THAT GOT FUNDED, UH, AT THAT POINT, UM, AND WHAT THE COST OF THAT WAS, UM, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, UH, THAT ONE WAS, UH, ABOUT $60,000 TOTAL, AND IT WAS DIVIDED UP, UH, INTO PORTIONS SO THAT, UH, LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES, UH, PLAYED A MUCH SMALLER PORTION OF THAT.
BUT IT'S, IN MY MIND, IT'S IMPORTANT TO TRY AND MOVE FORWARD, TO TRY AND GET TO A STUDY POINT, UM, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WOULD BE USED TO GET, UH, FUNDING LATER ON IF FUNDING COMES BAIL AVAILABLE THROUGH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
SO, UM, YOU MENTIONED, THEY TOLD YOU, YOU REALLY REPRESENT HILTON IDIOT FOR RIGHT? YES, I AM.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S JUST AN ONGOING, UM, UH, PROCESS TO TRY AND SEE IF WE CAN'T GET TO A STUDY AND GET THAT DONE FOR US.
UM, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, LADY'S ISLAND SEEING NONE WE'LL MOVE ON.
[8. PRIORITIZED LIST OF ACTION ITEMS 2022]
A PRIORITIZED LIST OF ITEMS WE'VE KIND OF ALREADY TALKED ABOUT.ONE WHAT'S HAPPENED IS THIS LIST OF PRIORITIES, UH, HAS BEEN MODIFIED IT'S NOW, UH, IT'S NOW, UH, THE 2022, UH, PRIORITIES LIST.
UM, AND SINCE WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM, UH, I WOULD JUST ASK IF THERE'S ANY ITEMS ON HERE THAT WE LEFT ON LAST TIME, UH, UH, THAT ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS.
I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, AND I'M NOT SURE, LIKE, I, NUMBER ONE, I WILL WORK WITH ALICE AND ROB TO
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MODIFY THE WORDING FOR NUMBER ONE, TO INCLUDE THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WERE HAD WE HAD REGARDING REGIONAL GROWTH BOUNDARIES, INTER-GOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENTS AND FOLLOWING THE, UH, ALL THE GROWTH ISSUES.UM, REMAINDER OF A COUPLE OF THE ITEMS. UM, I WANT TO THANK COUNTY COUNCIL FOR STANDING UP TO THE CAPITOL SALES TAX COMMITTEE ON, ON MONDAY, UM, AND ALSO INCLUDING MUNICIPAL REPRESENTATION.
SO THANK YOU FOR, INCLUDING US.
UM, YOU SEE THE MIC AND THERE WAS ONE OTHER ISSUE ON THERE ON A COMPLETE LIGHT.
NOW, UH, WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT, UH, ALICE, UH, SAID THAT SHE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, HAVE US HAVE A PRESENTATION NEXT TIME FROM A LOW COUNTRY HOUSING TRUST FUND, A REP, UH, REP, UM, AND SUGGESTED THAT MAYBE, UH, TAMMY ROY MIGHT BE SOMEBODY THAT COULD COME AND DO A PRESENTATION TO GET EVERYBODY UPDATED.
I KNOW THAT, UH, MEMBERS OF THE EVOLVE, UH, HAD THAT PRESENTATION, BUT, UH, IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO HAVE IT, UH, FOR EVERYBODY INTERPRET.
ONE OF THE COMMENTS I'LL MAKE IS THAT, UM, I AM, I AM ACTUALLY HAVING A COMMUNITY MEETING ON THIS COMING WEDNESDAY.
I CAN DO THAT THIS NELSON WITH TIME, WHATEVER THAT'S FINE.
UH, ON THE STORM WATER, UH, THE STORMWATER MANAGER CAME IN AND GAVE A PRESENTATION TO BEAVER CITY COUNCIL, UH, LAST TUESDAY, I BELIEVE.
AND SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE, UH, BRINGING THE MANUAL OVER, I THINK, UH, COUNCIL'S GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF ADOPTING IT AND PUTTING IT IN PLACE.
I THINK OUR STAFF IS GOING TO WORK WITH Y'ALL TO DO A COUPLE OF ANALYSIS ON WHAT A FEW PROJECTS LOOK LIKE AND TO MAKE SURE THAT IT ALIGNS WITH WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GO, BUT I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUES WITH KEEPING IT MOVING AND MAKING SURE IT'S ADOPTED.
SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, BUT I APPRECIATE THE COUNTY'S LEADERSHIP ON PUTTING THE MANUAL TOGETHER, KEEPING IT MOVING, UM, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THAT'S PROBABLY AROUND THE ROUND TABLE COMMENTS, SO I'LL HOLD MY COMMENTS.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENT ON THE, UH, OR ANY ITEMS THEY'D LIKE TO ADD TO THE, UH, ACTION ITEM LIST? SEE NONE.
[9. ROUND THE TABLE COMMENTS]
MOVE ON TO ROUND TABLE COMMENTS.UM, JUST WANT TO MAKE A, AN ANNOUNCEMENT.
UM, I JUST SAW THE, UM, SEA LEVEL RISE, UH, IS AN INITIATIVE I'M HAVING A MEETING ON THIS COMING WEDNESDAY, UM, AND, UH, DEALING WITH STONEWALL THAT ISSUE IN THE EUSTIS WAUSAU COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF THE, UM, THE LOWLAND ISSUE GOING FORWARD.
AND, UM, UH, THERE, THERE ARE SOME, THERE WERE SOME ISSUES DEALING WITH THE STATE AS WELL AS THE COUNTY, AS FAR AS PROVIDING DRAINAGE.
SO WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE STATE GOING TO BE THERE FROM THE COUNTY IS GOING TO BE THERE.
AND THEN I'VE ASKED ROB TO BE THERE, TO TALK ABOUT SEA LEVEL RISING, UH, BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE AN IMPACT IN THAT COMMUNITY AND STUFF.
SO, UH, IT'S LAGGING AND WELL BEFORE US RIGHT NOW.
AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO ANY, UH, WHETHER THERE WILL BE ANY RESOLVE OF THESE MEETINGS, BUT AT LEAST, UH, BRING IT BEFORE THE COURSE, LET THEM KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS OUT THERE AND THE COUNTY NEEDS TO ADDRESS, AND THE STATE NEEDS TO ADDRESS SOME WATER ISSUE FROM DRAINAGE.
UM, 'CAUSE, UH, AFTER A GOOD RAIN, UH, THERE AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT NEVER HAD WATER BEFORE.
UM, THEY GOT WATERFRONT PROPERTY NOW, UM, FOR A FEW MINUTES, UM, BECAUSE, UM, THE IS COMING FROM THE HIGHWAY FROM THE STATE 21 IMPROVEMENT.
UM, SO WE GOT TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
UH, ON MARCH 7TH AND EIGHTH, THE FIRST SOUTH COAST CYBER SUMMIT WILL BE HELD IN THE CITY OF BUFORD.
IT'S BEING HOSTED BY THE SOUTH COAST CYBER CENTER AT WHICH THE COUNTY IS A MEMBER OF ALICE.
HOWARD IS A SECRETARY ON OUR, OUR BOARD, UH, FOR ROYAL HAS LEADERSHIP.
I MEAN, IT'S REALLY A BROAD COALITION OF STAKEHOLDERS AND PRIVATE SECTOR EDUCATION, LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
UM, WE'VE GOT A WHOLE HOST OF NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED SPEAKERS, UH, COMING TO TOWN.
THE GOVERNOR, MCMASTER'S GOING TO BE THE KEYNOTE TO KICK OFF THE EVENT.
UH, BUT FOLKS FROM FBI, NOTRE DAME, UM, ARE COMING IN TO REALLY COVER, UH, FOR THE BROAD SUBJECT OF CYBERSECURITY BECAUSE OF THE SPONSORS.
THIS YEAR'S EVENT WILL BE FREE.
UM, SO YOU CAN REGISTER ONLINE AT SOUTH COAST, CYBER SUMMIT.COM/GO
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CYBER IT'LL, IT'LL POP UP.UM, WE'VE ALREADY GOT ABOUT A HUNDRED PLUS REGISTERED, SO WE EXPECT TO SELL OUT, BUT IF YOU HAVE AN INTEREST IN THE SUBJECT OR, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WHO HAS AN INTEREST IN THE SUBJECT, HOPE YOU WILL ENCOURAGE THEM TO ATTEND BECAUSE WE STARTED MARCH 7TH AND EIGHTH.
TABBY PLACE RIGHT HERE IN DOWNTOWN BUFORD.
UM, BUT I WANT TO THANK THE COUNTY FOR THEIR CONTINUED SUPPORT ON THE CYBERSECURITY INITIATIVE.
UM, IT IS REALLY, IT IS REALLY COOKING.
THE BUFORD DIGITAL CORRIDOR HAS ROLLED OUT THEIR CYBERSECURITY BOOTCAMPS, AND WE ALREADY HAVE 11 STUDENTS.
AND I'M EXCITED TO ANNOUNCE THE MAJORITY OF THOSE STUDENTS ARE WOMEN AND MINORITIES THAT HAVE ENROLLED IN THE CYBERSECURITY TRAINING.
UM, SOME ADULTS THAT ARE RETRAINING TO UPSKILL THEMSELVES.
UM, SO IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE ALL WORK TOGETHER, WE ACCOMPLISH A PRETTY COOL THING.
SO EXCITED ABOUT 20, 22, ANY OTHER ROUND TABLE COMMENTS.
[10. THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 25, 2022 AT 9:30 A.M. ADDITIONAL DETAILS WILL BE PROVIDED PRIOR TO THE MEETING DATE.]
OUR NEXT MEETING FEBRUARY THE 25TH, UM, I'M OPEN FOR A MOTION TO ADJOURN.SAY I GOT, THERE'S GOTTA BE SOMETHING ELSE WE CAN TALK ABOUT.
SO MOVED ALL IN FAVOR, ALTHOUGH WE.