Dec 06, 2021 Planning Commission

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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REMIND ME OF THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE.

WELCOME NOTIFICATIONS NOTIFICATIONS PUBLISHED.

ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE, UH, FOR APPROVAL

[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES – November 1, 2021]

WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

ANY DISSENTERS WITH NO DISSENT APPROVED.

NEXT ITEM, CITIZEN COMMENTS.

UH, THIS IS THE POINT IN TIME WHERE WE ALLOW FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS OF THAT ARE RELATED TO MATTERS.

NOT ON THE AGENDA IS OF A GENERAL NATURE.

DO WE HAVE ANYBODY GIVING YOU THAT HAS OFFERED COMMENTS NOW THERE YOU HAVE ANY, OKAY.

HAVING NONE.

WE'LL GO INTO OUR FIRST ACTION ITEM.

[7. TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE (CDC): SECTION A.2.40 (PERMITTED ACTIVITIES) TO ADD “SHORT-TERM RENTALS” AS A SPECIAL USE TO THE LADY’S ISLAND COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICT; APPLICANT: RALPH MCCARTER]

SECTION 8 2 4 OH FERMENTED ACTIVITY.

YOU SAY AT SHORT TERM RENTALS IS A SPECIAL USE TO THE LADY'S ISLAND COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICT COMMISSIONERS AND EVENING.

OUR FIRST ITEM TONIGHT IS AN APPLICATION FOR A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ADD SHORT-TERM RENTALS AS A SPECIAL USE TO THE LADIES ISLAND COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICT.

NOW, THIS MIGHT SOUND SOMEWHAT FAMILIAR.

A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO, WE, WE CONSIDERED SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR FOR THE LADIES ISLAND EXPANDED HOME BUSINESS DISTRICT.

THAT ITEM HAS HAD ITS FIRST READING AT COUNCIL AND HAS BEEN APPROVED THAT FIRST READING.

SO IT'S STILL GOING THROUGH ITS READINGS, BUT THIS IS WHAT THE LADY'S ISLAND EXPLAINED.

THE LADY'S ISLAND COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICT.

NOW THE LADY'S ISLAND COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICT IS DIFFERENT FROM THAT LADY'S ISLAND EXPANDED HOME BUSINESS DISTRICT, AND THAT IT IS A MUCH MORE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.

AND SO THERE ARE VERY LIMITED.

IF ANY COMMERCIAL USES ALLOWED WITHIN THE LADIES ISLAND COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICT, THE COMMERCIAL USES USUALLY SHOW UP UNDER A TRADITIONAL COMMUNITY PLAN.

SO THEY'RE UNDER SPECIAL PLANS.

UM, THE ONLY REALLY ALLOWANCE FOR COMMERCIAL IN THIS DISTRICT OR HOME USES THAT ARE KIND OF IN SCALE TO HOME BUSINESSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THAT'S THE INTENT OF THE LADY'S ISLAND COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICT.

THE CURRENT CONDITIONS I WENT THROUGH AND LOOKED AT, AND IT IS INDEED PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL.

THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS, LOTS OF DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES AND SUBDIVISIONS THROUGHOUT THIS CORRIDOR.

AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE IT.

IF YOU LOOK UP ON YOUR SCREEN, THAT LIGHT BLUE SECTION HIGHLIGHTED WITH THE RED LINE, THAT IS THE DISTRICT THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY.

THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF COMMERCIAL USES IN THERE.

SO YOU'VE GOT THEM BEFORE YACHT CLUBS.

THERE, THERE IS A BOAT BUILDING OF BUSINESS OUT THERE.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF HOME BUSINESSES AND THERE'S A VETERINARIAN OFFICE INCLUDED IN THIS DISTRICT.

THOSE ARE THE CURRENT CONDITIONS ON THE GROUND.

SO FOR A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT, IF YOU ALL Y'ALL REMEMBER THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE NEW OF US, I'LL GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND.

THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS WERE ADOPTED LAST YEAR.

THE STANDARDS WERE ADOPTED LAST YEAR.

THEY WERE INCLUDED IN ALL OF THE TRANSACTIONS AS A SPECIAL USE, EXCEPT FOR T ONE NATURAL PRESERVE.

SO ESPECIAL USE ESSENTIALLY MEANS THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD APPLY FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS WITHIN THEIR PROPERTY.

THEN THEY WOULD GO TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS TO GET APPROVAL FOR THAT.

SO THE ZBA WOULD REVIEW THEIR, THEIR SITUATION AND SAY, YEAH, YOUR NAME AS A PART OF THAT PROCESS, THEIR PROPERTY WOULD BE POSTED.

SO ALL OF THEIR NEIGHBORS WOULD KNOW THAT THEY ARE APPLYING FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL USE AND THEIR NEIGHBORS WOULD BE NEIGHBORING.

PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD BE NOTIFIED.

SO THERE'S THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND WEIGH IN, HAVE THEIR CONCERNS HEARD OR ASK QUESTIONS.

IT WAS ALSO INCLUDED IN OUR CONVENTIONAL ZONES AS A PERMITTED USE, EXCEPT FOR C3 NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE, WHICH AGAIN WAS A SPECIAL USE.

IT WAS NOT INCLUDED.

THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL STANDARDS WERE NOT INCLUDED IN COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICTS AND THESE COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICTS WHERE COMMUNITY LED EFFORTS TO GET SPECIAL SETTING STANDARDS WITHIN THEIR COMMUNITIES TO PROTECT THE CONDITIONS IN THE COMMUNITIES.

SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVEN'T REALLY HEARD OF THIS UNTIL THAT LAST CONSIDERATION WITH THE LADY'S ISLAND EXPANDED HOME BUSINESS DISTRICT.

AND NOW AGAIN WITH THE LADY'S ISLAND COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICT.

SO WE WENT THROUGH AND WE COMPARED THE LADIES ISLAND COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICT WITH OTHER TRANSECT ZONES THAT ALLOW FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

AND THERE ARE THREE OTHER TRANSECT ZONES THAT ARE VERY SIMILAR TO LADY'S ISLAND, COMMUNITY

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THEY ARE T3 EDGE T3, HAMLET NEIGHBORHOOD AND T3 NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO THESE ARE ALL PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL WITH LIMITED COMMERCIAL USES.

SO WITH THAT COMPARISON, HAVING A PRETTY SIMILAR ALLOWANCES AND SIMILAR TRANSECT SITES, THE LADY'S ISLAND COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICT, UM, WE FELT THAT IT'S PRETTY SIMILAR AND IT'S APPROPRIATE, NOT APPROPRIATE USE SPECIAL USE WITHIN THIS DISTRICT.

THE APPLICANT IS MR. MCCARTER.

HE IS HERE TODAY, JUST BEHIND ME.

UM, HE OWNS PROPERTY AT TWO BLYTHEWOOD.

AND SO THERE IS A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOME ON THAT PROPERTY, WHICH HE HOPES TO USE AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.

THIS ITEM WAS TAKEN TO THE LADIES ISLAND COMMUNITY PRESERVATION COMMITTEE IN NOVEMBER.

UM, AND IT WAS NOT OPPOSED AT THAT MEETING.

SO THERE WEREN'T ANY ISSUES BROUGHT UP THERE AND, AND I'D BE HAPPY FOR COMMISSIONER HINTER TO FILL ANYONE IN IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT.

BUT ULTIMATELY STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION.

AND WE DO ALSO RECOMMEND CONSIDERING ADDING SHORT-TERM RENTALS, IF THIS IS APPROVED TO THE LADIES ISLAND NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVITY CENTER AND LADIES ISLAND, PROFESSIONAL OFFICE DISTRICTS, BOTH OF THESE ARE THE ONLY OTHER LADIES ISLAND COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICTS.

AND THEY'RE MUCH MORE INTENSIVE THAN THE TWO THAT WE HAVE ALREADY WE'RE ALREADY KIND OF CONSIDERING.

SO IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO INCLUDE THEM IN THIS AND THEY'D ALSO BE SPECIAL.

IT WOULD ALSO BE A SPECIAL USE.

YES.

I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT GOING THROUGH THE ZONING APPEAL.

WHY IS THAT? OR CAN YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? I'M NOT AGAINST THIS PROJECT.

I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND IT IF YOU SAW THE BACKGROUND ON IT.

SO, UM, THE WAY IT WORKS NOW ON, AND WE'LL WORK IN THE FUTURES, APPLICANTS COME TO THE STAFF REVIEW TEAM, WE GO OVER SOME BASICS, MAKE SURE THEY'VE GOT ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY NEED FOR THE PROCESS.

AND THEN THEY GET INTO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS PROCESS.

SO THEY PUT IN AN APPLICATION TO THAT IN ORDER TO GET TO USE THIS SPECIAL USE.

NOW THE TIMELINE, HOW LONG THOSE APPLICATIONS TAKE, IT'S A COUPLE OF MONTH LONG PROCESS FROM STUFF OR CONFUSED.

YEAH.

SONY BOARD OF APPEALS MEETS ONCE A MONTH.

SO, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS THEY START WITH THE STAFF AND THEY CAN GET ONTO THE NEXT CPOA MEETING AND THERE ARE PUBLIC NOTICE REQUIREMENTS AS A PART OF THAT, BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE TO BE NOTIFIED VIA LETTER THAT THIS IS HAPPENING AND THE PROPERTY ITSELF HAS ALSO POSTED.

SO ASSIGN WILL GO ON THE PROPERTY.

SO ANYONE PASSING CAN SEE THE SIGN, GET THE INFORMATION THEY NEED, CONTACT US TO LEARN MORE BECAUSE IF I MAY FURTHER, UH, IT'S BECOMING QUITE POPULAR NOW AND OTHER OTHER AREAS, MR. PALLIATES AT THE SAME TIME, I CAN SEE POSSIBLY YOU HAVING, BEING TOTALLY OVERWHELMED BY APPEALS ALL THE TIME ON THIS IS NOT A CONSIDERATION OR AT LEAST LOOK INTO THE POSSIBILITY OF NOT HAVING TO GO THROUGH AN APPEAL PROCESS FOR THAT.

YOU CAN DO IT IN THIS DISTRICT AND YOU CAN'T DO IT IN THAT DISTRICT OR, OR WHAT.

YEAH.

UM, THIS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BUILT INTO OUR WHOLE PROCESS.

I MEAN, A YEAR AGO WHEN WE REVIEWED SHORT-TERM RENTALS, THIS PROCESS WAS ADOPTED WITH THE SPECIAL USE.

AND I THINK THAT THE PRIMARY CONCERN IS A LOT OF THESE ARE LOCATED IN RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE THOROUGHLY VETTING, UH, COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS.

UM, ANY ISSUE, YOU KNOW, WITH SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS ARE CONSIDERED AT THAT POINT.

UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHERE THESE ARE OPERATING, THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THAT.

AND THE SPECIAL USE PROCESS BASICALLY SAYS, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE CONDITIONS THAT IT MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE IN ALL AREAS.

AND SO IT, YOU KNOW, THAT MAKES IT AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CPOA LOOKING THROUGH THEIR CRITERIA WHEN THEY EVALUATE A SPECIAL USE.

UH, IF, UH, IF A POA, UH, SPECIFICALLY SAYS NONE, CAN THEY STILL GO THROUGH THE ZONING APPEAL AND GET THE POA OVERTHROWN SO THEY CAN STILL HAVE THE, THE COVENANTS RESTRICTIONS ARE OUR ILLEGAL PRIVATE CONTRACTUAL MATTER.

AND WE JUST DO NOT HAVE, IT'S ALMOST LIKE TWO OPPOSING OR TWO RESTRICTIONS.

ONE DOESN'T NECESSARILY OUTWEIGH THE OTHER BECAUSE ONE IS A PRIVATE CONTRACTUAL MATTER AND THE OTHER ONE'S A PUBLIC MATTER.

SO WHICHEVER ONE IS MORE RESTRICTIVE PREVAILS IN THAT CASE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ON THE DEED, THEY CAN HAVE SHORT-TERM RENTAL.

WELL, WHAT IT IT'S ON A DEED THAT THEY CAN'T HAVE SHORT RENTAL SHORT-TERM RENTAL.

THEY CAN'T HAVE SHORT TERM.

YEAH.

OKAY, GREAT.

THANK YOU.

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YES, KEVIN.

YEAH.

UM, WHEN SOMEONE GOES TO THE BOARD OF APPEALS ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS AND APPLIES FOR THIS SPECIAL USE DEPARTMENT, HOW LONG HAS THE SPECIAL USE DEPARTMENT GOOD FOR? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

GOOD QUESTION.

SO WE HAVE, UM, BASICALLY THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS, IS GOOD FOR THAT USE.

SO IF, IF IT GOES AWAY, UH, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, UH, THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL GOES AWAY FOR A PERIOD WHERE THEY LOSE THEIR GRANDFATHERING, THEN SOME, THE NEW PERSON WOULD HAVE TO REAPPLY.

UM, AND THERE'S ALSO, WE REQUIRE A RENEWAL OF THE, OF THE, UM, SHORT-TERM RENTAL PERMIT EVERY YEAR, BUT THAT'S NOT GOING BEFORE THE CPU.

THAT'S MORE OF A STAFF CONSIDERATION TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, PAYING THEIR ACCOMMODATIONS TAX AND ALL THAT IT'S, IT'S WRITTEN INTO THE STANDARDS FOR SHORT-TERM.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

SO WHEN THEY APPLICANT DOES THIS AS PART OF THE PROCESS THAT THEY GO TO THE, UH, TREASURER'S OFFICE AND CHANGE THEIR TAX STATUS TO 6% VERSUS 4%.

YEAH.

I MEAN, ALL OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, TH THERE'S A BUSINESS LICENSE COMPONENT TO THIS.

THERE IS A BUILDING, UH, RIGHT NOW BUILDING CODES IS REQUIRING THESE UNITS TO BE SPRINKLED THAT, YOU KNOW, CAUSE THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE.

SO THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT PARTS TO THIS WHOLE PROCESS THAT ARE REALLY, WE'RE KIND OF IN THE FRONT END SAFEGUARDING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD IT'S SERVING THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE AWARE.

AND SO WE HAD THAT PROCESS BUILT INTO SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO GO FURTHER THAN THAT BECAUSE WE'RE RUNNING THE COUNTY HERE AND WE CAN'T HAVE SOMEBODY PAYING TAX AT A 4% RATE.

MEANWHILE, THEY'RE RUNNING A BUSINESS OUT OF THEIR HOUSE AND THEY SHOULD BE PAYING AT A 6%.

RIGHT.

IT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE.

UM, SO I, I DIDN'T SAY THAT THE ROOM, I KNOW, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT, THAT THERE IS MORE, THE OTHER THING IS SALES TAX, DO THEY HAVE TO COLLECT SALES TAX? THAT'S PART OF THEM GETTING A BUSINESS LICENSE.

YEAH.

YEAH.

SO WITH REGARDS TO YOUR QUESTION, ABOUT 4% OR 6%, IF, IF IT, IF THE PROPERTIES, UM, UH, PART OF THEIR PRIMARY RESIDENCE SAY THEY HAVE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL IN THEIR BACKYARD AS A PART OF A, AS A PART OF THEM LIVING THERE ON THE PROPERTY AND RENTING IT OUT.

IF THEY DON'T RENT IT OUT MORE THAN LIKE 72 DAYS, THEN THEY STILL QUALIFY FOR 4%.

SO THAT'S A STATE LAW THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW, UH, WITH REGARDS TO SALES TAX, THEY DO NOT HAVE TO NECESSARILY COLLECT SALES TAX, BUT THEY DO HAVE TO COLLECT, UH, BOTH STATE AND LOCAL ACCOMMODATIONS, UH, TAXES AND SEND THAT TO THE COUNTY.

SO WE GET OUR ACCOMMODATION TAXES OFF OF THAT.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, WHENEVER THEY DO A SHORT TERM RENTAL ON THAT PROPERTY, IF THEY DO IT FOR SEVEN DAYS OR TWO WEEKS OR WHATEVER, THEN ALL OF THE ALFALFA KNEE INSIDE THE DWELLING IS TAXABLE AS PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES.

SO THEY PAY PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES ON ALL OF THE, ON ALL OF THE FURNITURE AND FIXTURES AND EQUIPMENT INSIDE THE UNIT TO THE, AND THAT'S CALCULATED BY THE AUDITOR AND TAX BY THE TREASURER.

AND THEN THEY HAVE TO HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE ON TOP OF THAT.

SO MR. GREENWAY FOR THE RECORD, THAT WAS HER ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.

UM, WE'VE OFTEN TALKED ABOUT, UM, MINIMUM, UH, DAYS OF STAY AND MAXIMUM.

SO IN, IN WHAT I READ MAXIMUM LIKE 29 DAYS, SO MR. GREENWAY, 72 DAYS OVERALL IN A YEAR, I DON'T KNOW, WHAT'S THE MINIMUM.

SO THE ISSUE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE IT'S COME UP IS THAT IT'S A MINIMUM, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE NIGHT, TWO NIGHTS.

LIKE I THINK THERE'S LESS CONCERN IF SOMEONE'S THERE FOR A WEEK, BUT A LOT MORE CONCERNED IF THEY'RE THERE FOR TWO NIGHTS.

SO DID THAT EVER COME UP WITH Y'ALL I NEVER SAW A MINIMUM IN YOUR PROPOSAL HERE.

I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE IS A MINIMUM AND D WAS THE LADIES ISLAND GROUP WHO APPROVED THIS.

OKAY.

WITH THAT.

OKAY.

WITH NO MINIMUM, NOW THAT HASN'T COME UP MINIMUM, HASN'T COME UP, COME UP.

AND I THINK THE INTENT OF SHORT-TERM RENTAL IS THOSE SHORTER STAYS, WHICH IS WHY THERE'S THAT, THAT MAXIMUM INCLUDED YOU MEAN SHORT MEANING A WEEK? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE IMPLYING OR WEEKEND? WELL, IT COULD BE A WEEKEND.

YOU NEVER BE IN V WELL, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.

THIS IS WHAT I THINK IS KIND OF SWAMP US.

I MEAN, I THINK IT'S RIGHT.

I AGREE WITH KEVIN HERE.

THIS IS REALLY GOING TO BECOME A HUGE DEAL.

UM, ANYWAY, OKAY.

IF THERE, IF YOU KNOW,

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THAT'S FINE.

MY SECOND THING IS JUST TO CLARIFY, WHEN YOU SAID IN THE VERY BEGINNING OF YOUR PRESENTATION, JULIANA, YOU KNOW, TH THAT HOME BUSINESSES WERE IN SCALE, LIKE, SO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU'VE SAT IN ON THE, UM, ST.

HELENA CP GROUP, DOES THAT MEAN, DOES THAT INCLUDE THAT SORT OF IN SCALE INCLUDE IN THAT BROAD UMBRELLA? WHAT I WOULD CALL COTTAGE INDUSTRIES? WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, LIKE HOME INDUSTRY, UM, IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN BY, IN SCALE YOUR HOME BUSINESSES? YES.

IT DOESN'T MEAN, I MEAN, IT MIGHT MEAN PHYSICAL, BUT IT KIND OF MEANS THE INTENT OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING OF, WHAT ONE IS TRYING TO DO.

GREAT.

THANK YOU.

SO, ONE THING I MAY ELABORATE ON THE LENGTH OF STAY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

KEEP IN MIND THAT ALL OF THESE THINGS, BEFORE THEY CAN OCCUR, YOU APPROVE THAT YOU RECOMMEND THE PRELOAD, THE AMENDMENT, THEY EACH, BEFORE SOMEBODY CAN DO A SHORT-TERM RENTAL THAT HAS TO GO TO A PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.

WE HAVE TO PUT UP SIGNS.

WE HAVE TO NOTIFY FOLKS WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE PROPERTY.

SO IF ANYONE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD RACES HAS A CONCERN ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON, THEY CAN COME BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.

AND THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS CAN SAY, HEY, THIS IS APPROPRIATE FOR YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I DON'T SEE THEM DOING THIS, BUT YOU CAN'T RENT ANY ONE LESS THAN FIVE DAYS OR LESS THAN TWO DAYS OR WHATEVER, UH, OR LONGER THAN 30 DAYS A TIME OR WHATEVER LIKE THAT.

SO THEY CAN PUT LIMITS ON IT AND CONDITIONS UPON THEIR APPROVAL AS TO HOW THAT PARTICULAR UNIT NEEDS TO OPERATE WITHIN THAT GIVEN SITUATION.

BUT ERIC DOESN'T HAVE A THREE-PART.

I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE PUBLIC HEARING PART THAT DOESN'T HAVE A, THREE-PART A THREE HEARING PROCESS.

YOU MEAN COUNTY COUNCIL FOR A TEXT AMENDMENT RIGHT NOW, THEY, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THEY ALL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A SPECIAL EXCEPTION PROCESS.

THAT'S A THREE, NOW THAT'S A ONE PART PROCESS UNLESS THEY DIFFER.

SO, BUT WHAT DID YOU MEAN ABOUT THE THREE-PART THE THREE HEARINGS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, UM, AS THEY GO THROUGH THE, AS THEY GO THROUGH THE HEARING, THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.

IF I SAID THREE PARTS, I DIDN'T MEAN TO SAY THAT, UM, AS THEY GO THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS CAN PLACE CONDITIONS UP ON THAT APPROVAL VOTE OR THAT PROCESS OR THAT APPROVAL.

YEAH.

OKAY.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I HEARD THAT CLEARLY TBL IS JUST A ONE-STOP SHOP UNLESS THEY PUT US AS, YOU KNOW, UM, A CONDITION ON IT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

I'M JUST TRYING TO BE CLEAR EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON HERE AND I'M READING IT.

SO WE'RE REVISING LADY'S ISLAND COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICT TO INCLUDE SHORT-TERM RENTALS FOR THE ENTIRE DISTRICT, BUT THE ENTIRE DISTRICT AS MR. MCCARTER'S CASE AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND TWO OTHER SMALL DISTRICTS.

RIGHT.

AND POTENTIALLY YES.

POTENTIALLY, OR YEAH.

SO, WELL, THAT IS UP TO YOU ALL.

UM, IT'S, UH I'M SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO APPROVE FOR THE LADIES ISLAND COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICT.

AND IF THAT'S APPROVED, IF YOU ALL AGREE THAT THAT'S APPROPRIATE, THEN CONSIDER ALSO APPROVING IT FOR THE OTHER TWO DISTRICTS.

SO THERE'S A KIND OF A PINCH POINT ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU DECIDE TO DO THAT.

RIGHT.

IS THAT PART OF THE MOTION THAT YOU WANT, OR IS THIS A SEPARATE MOTION? IT COULD BE A PART OF THE MOTION TO RESTATE IT.

SO IT'S FOR THE RECORD, COULD YOU RESTATE IT TO THE FULL MOTION THAT YOU'D WANT THEM TO INCLUDE THAT FOR PROVISION? SURE.

SO IT WOULD BE, UM, IT'S OKAY.

I'M SO I'M KEEPING UP.

I KNOW.

YOU'RE GREAT.

UM, SO IT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE ADDITION OF THIS SHORT TERM RENTAL AS A SPECIAL USE IN THE LADIES ISLAND COMMUNITY PRESERVATION DISTRICT.

AND IF YOU ALL THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO ALSO ADD THE SHORT TERM RENTAL AS A SPECIAL USE.

SO THE LADY'S ISLAND NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVITY CENTER, AND LADIES ISLAND PROFESSIONAL OFFICE DISTRICTS, MORE THAN ONE DISTRICT ONE-ON-ONE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE FOUR TOTAL LADIES ISLAND, COMMUNITY DISTRICTS, PRESERVATION, OR COMMUNITY DISTRICTS.

UM, AND YEAH, SO THERE'S ONE DISTRICT FOR THE APPLICATION THAT'S BEEN PUT FORWARD, AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDING THAT THAT'S APPROVED TO CONSIDER IT FOR THE OTHER TWO BECAUSE THE LADY'S ISLAND EXPANDED HOME BUSINESS DISTRICT, WHICH HAS ALREADY MOVED THROUGH AND IS GOING THROUGH THAT APPROVAL PROCESS AT COUNCIL IS A, IS IN THIS DISTRICT ARE KIND OF YOUR LEAST INTENSIVE DISTRICTS OF THE FOUR LADIES ISLAND DISTRICT.

SO IT KIND OF MAKES SENSE TO GO AHEAD AND INCORPORATE THE OTHER TWO, IF YOU DECIDE IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THIS DISTRICT FIGHT.

OKAY.

I MAKE A MOTION.

WE, UM, TO

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TO PASS THE AMENDMENT AS AMENDED BY STAFF.

OKAY.

I'LL SECOND.

IT ALL RIGHT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE WERE BLANKETING DOING THESE OTHER TWO DISTRICTS.

I MEAN, I PHYSICALLY HAVE NOT VISITED THEM.

SO THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN.

I FEEL IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF UNCERTAINTY AND NOT OVERREACH.

I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT OF VIEW.

BUT, UM, AS I SAY, I, I THINK IT'S A LOT AT US AT ONE POINT AND I'D LIKE TO DO IT INCREMENTALLY.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALRIGHT.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION IS STEREOTYPED WITH THE NUGGET, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

ALL THOSE WHO APPROVE.

OKAY.

WE HAVE ALL THOSE THAT DON'T APPROVE.

ALL RIGHT.

WE TO NOT APPROVE.

DID YOU GET THAT NOW? MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, LET ME GET UP NEXT.

OKAY.

NEXT ONE

[8. ZONING MAP AMENDMENT/ZONING REQUEST FOR 6.55 ACRES (R600 041 000 0172 0000) 28 BUCKINGHAM PLANTATION DRIVE FROM T4 HAMLET CENTER OPEN (T4HC-O) TO T4 NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER (T4NC); APPLICANT: CARMEN MIHAI]

IS THERE ANY REQUEST FOR A 6.55 ACRES? 28? OKAY.

HAND PLANTATION DRIVE FROM PETE FOR HAMLET CENTER, OPEN TO T4 H C DASH T T4 NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER BOARD.

AND SEE ALL RIGHT.

TELL US, TELL US SOME MORE.

UM, SO OUR SECOND ITEM TONIGHT IS A REZONING REQUEST OR A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FOR 6.55 ACRE PARCEL LOCATED AT 28 BUCKINGHAM PLANTATION DRIVE.

AND IT FRONTS LEFT AND PARKWAY AS WELL.

UM, THE PROPERTY, THE APPLICANT IS CARMEN MIHAI AND APOLOGIES IF I'M MISPRONOUNCING THAT AND THE APPLICANT IS BEING REPRESENTED BY MICHAEL .

UM, SO THAT WAS THE APPLICANT, HOW THE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED.

NOW, THE CURRENT ZONING, AS YOU MENTIONED, IS T4 HAMLET CENTER OPEN, WHICH IS A SUBGROUP OF T4 HAMLET CENTER.

T4 HAMLET CENTER IS A MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TYPE DISTRICT AND CREATES WALKING AND BIKING CONNECTIONS.

AND IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR MORE RURAL AREAS.

THE OPEN LITTLE SUB ZONE THAT'S ON THERE, MAKING IT T4 HAMLETS THAT ARE OPEN ALLOWS FOR MORE RETAIL AND SERVICE USES THAT ARE IN CHARACTER WITH ACT SCALE OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, THE T4 NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER, WHICH IS THE REQUEST, THE REQUESTED NEWS ZONING IS MORE OF A VIBRANT MAIN STREET COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WITH RETAIL THAT INTEGRATES INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR FUTURE TRANSIT STOPS.

IT ALLOWS COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO WALK TO THEIR DAY TO DAY AMENITIES, AND IT HAS HIGHER INTENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL MIXED USES THROUGHOUT.

SO THOSE ARE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THESE TWO THERE'S, THEY'RE STILL PRETTY SIMILAR.

THE APPLICANT OWNS THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY AS WELL.

SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING ON THE MAP UP HERE, YOU CAN SEE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED, THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION, WHICH IS T4 HAMLETS CENTER, OUR OPEN, THE PROPERLY PROPERTY TO THE NORTHWEST.

I'M MOVING UP, BLUFFTON PARKWAY CLOSER, MOVING TOWARDS BLUFFTON THAT DEEP PURPLE THAT'S T4 IN CT FOR NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER OWNED BY THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER THAT NEIGHBORING PROPERTY IS 5.44 ACRES.

AND THEY'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR CONSISTENCY BETWEEN THESE TWO PROPERTIES SO THAT WHEN THEY MOVE FORWARD AND DEVELOP THEM, THEY'RE WORKING WITH THE SAME TYPE OF STANDARDS.

UM, NOW AS FAR AS OUR 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE LAND USE MAP GOES, THIS AREA IS A URBAN MIXED USE ZONE, WHICH THE REQUESTED ZONING IS APPROPRIATE WITH.

SO THE SURROUNDING WE'LL, LET'S SEE, WE'LL GO AHEAD TO OUR SECOND SLIDE.

OH, I HAVE IT.

THIS IS NEW FOR ME.

SO THIS GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT, UM, A LITTLE BIT BIGGER.

LOOK AT THE SURROUNDING AREA.

YOU CAN SEE THOSE SURROUNDINGS ZONING USES.

SO AGAIN, THAT DARK PURPLE IS THE REQUESTED T4 NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER, WHICH IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY ZONE T4 HAMLET CENTER, OPEN ACROSS THE STREET.

YOU HAVE EDGEWATER APARTMENT COMPLEX UNDER T4 HAMLET CENTER, OPEN THAT PURPLE STRIPEY AREA.

THE, THE ORANGE IS C FIVE C C5 RE REGIONAL CENTER MIXED USE.

THAT'S A VERY COMMERCIAL AREA.

SO TANGER OUTLETS, A PART OF THAT, UM, JUST THE NORTHWEST.

AND THEN YOU HAVE WAREHOUSES AND RESTAURANTS AND ALL TYPES OF SERVICE USES THERE TO THE SOUTH EAST, NOPE.

TO THE NORTHEAST, UM, TO THE SOUTH IS A PUD.

THAT'S THE OLD SOUTH GOLF COURSE WITH ASSOCIATED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

SO YOU'VE GOT POINTS SOUTH INCLUDED THERE, AND THEN THE OLD SOUTH COURT, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD AREA AS WELL.

SO THIS IS THE GENERAL ZONE THAT WE'RE WORKING IN, AND IT'S A PRETTY COMMERCIAL PORTION OF THE CORRIDOR RIGHT THERE ON BLUFFTON PARKWAY.

SO IT DOES SEEM APPROPRIATE THAT WE, WE WOULD, UH, WE WOULD ZONE IT TO THE T4 NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER FROM THAT T4 HAMLET CENTER, WHICH IS KIND OF MORE OF A, A MORE RURAL, UM, MORE APPROPRIATE FOR A RURAL AREA.

NOW WATER AND SEWER ARE

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THE PROPERTY EMS AND FIRE ARE LOCATED WITHIN A HALF A MILE INCLUDED IN THE APPLICATION PACKET WAS A CONCEPTUAL FOR A MIXED USE COMMUNITY.

THIS, THIS MAY BE WHAT HAPPENS.

IT COULD CHANGE DEPENDING AS CONDITIONS CHANGE OUT THERE.

UM, REGARDLESS OF THE ZONING, BUT INCLUDED WAS THAT IT MAY START INITIALLY ON SEPTIC SYSTEMS AND LATER CONNECT INTO SEWER WAS, UH, INCLUDED IN THAT APPLICATION PACKET AND GIVEN THE CONDITIONS ON THE, OH, LET'S, LET'S KEEP GOING RIGHT FOR FUEL WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDS.

OH, I CAN DO IT.

GEEZ.

LET'S SEE.

OKAY, HERE WE GO.

HERE'S THE AERIAL OF THE TOPOGRAPHY.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE GOLF COURSE TO THE SOUTH, THIS WHOLE LITTLE STRIP OF PROPERTY THERE ON BLUFFTON PARKWAY WHERE THE ARROWS POINTING AT IT, THAT'S ALL CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED.

THERE USED TO BE A GOLF COURSE.

UM, THERE GOLF HOLES THERE, IT WAS, IT WAS A VERY SMALL ONE.

UM, AND THEN THE F THE FORESTED AREA IS THE SPECIFIC PARCEL THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

YOU CAN SEE THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH THERE, AND THEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACROSS THE STREET AT WATERS OR EDGEWATER, AND THEN THE TANGER OUTLETS IN THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT NEARBY.

AND THEN WE'LL GO TO, THIS IS JUST A CLOSER LOOK.

SO YOU'D GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE WE ARE.

YOU CAN SEE THE APARTMENT COMPLEX ACROSS BLUFFTON PARKWAY, AND THEN WE HAVE A VIDEO.

UM, AND THEN THIS IS WHERE YOU GET TO SHINE.

THIS WAS TAKEN JUST TODAY.

SO WE'RE MOVING DOWN LEFT PARKWAY TOWARD BLUFFTON.

SO YOU'RE SEEING THE HUD TO THE TOP OF THE SCREEN WHERE THIS ORANGE BEAUTIFUL FALL COLOR IS COMING IN.

THAT IS THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION AND ITS PROPERTY LINE.

AND IT'S RIGHT ABOUT WHEN WE'RE RIGHT ACROSS FROM EDGEWATER'S ENTRANCE.

SO THERE WILL BE A CURB CUT.

THERE YOU GO.

AND THEN THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY IS ALSO OWNED BY THIS THE SAME BY THE APPLICANT, LOOKING TO THE SOUTH TOWARD HILTON HEAD, YOU GET A LITTLE GLIMPSE OF EDGEWATER THERE IN THE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER.

THIS IS GOING OVER THE TOP OF THE PROPERTY TOWARDS THE GOLF COURSE, AND THEN LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY FROM THE GOLF COURSE OF THE, WHERE ALL THE, AGAIN, ALL THOSE ORANGE TREES ARE THE PROPERTY TOWARDS TANGER OUTLETS AND THEN FLYING OVER LEFT AND PARKWAY.

THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION THAT WE STARTED IS THAT ONE BUILDING THEY'RE PART OF THE WHOLE THING THAT IS SEPARATE.

THAT'S A PART OF THE GOLF COURSE MAINTENANCE SHED.

OKAY.

SO, UM, WITH ALL OF THAT, GIVEN THE CONDITIONS ON THAT PORTION OF THE CORRIDOR AND THE NEIGHBORING ZONING DISTRICTS, WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE, UM, REZONING APPLICATION.

AND AGAIN, UM, MR. CURTIS IS ON THE ZOOM.

SO THERE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO DIRECT AT HIM, WE DO LIKE TO SAY, ANYTHING'S HERE.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? HELLO? YEAH.

YOU, WOULD YOU LIKE TO OFFER ANY COMMENTS OR SURE, SURE.

UM, IT'S A REALLY STRAIGHTFORWARD ASK FOR A REZONING ABOUT FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO.

I HAD REZONED THE PARCEL TO THE LEFT, UH, FOR MR. HERB CHASE, WHICH IS NOW, UH, T4, NC, UM, IN DOING SO, UH, MR. CHASE.

SO PART OF THAT PROPERTY TO, UM, MR. MIHAI NOW, AND AS YOU CAN SEE THAT PARCEL IS NOW BIFURCATED BY TWO DIFFERENT ZONES.

SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING, UH, TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY AND MAKE IT EASIER FOR US BY HAVING ONE ZONE CLASSIFICATION, THE T4 NC, UM, RIGHT NOW THAT ONE PARCEL IS THIS SPLIT, UM, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, UM, REALLY, REALLY SIMPLE IN OUR EYES.

UM, SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT ON OUR END.

OKAY.

QUESTIONS.

I GOT ONE QUESTION, SIR.

UM, IN, IN THE, UH, STAFF RIGHT UP HERE, YOU'RE MENTIONING, UH, INITIALLY BY SEPTIC AND THEN CONNECTING THE SEWER AT A FUTURE DATE TO BE DETERMINED.

THAT'S PRETTY NEBULOUS.

UM, CAN YOU GIVE US ANYTHING MORE ON THAT? WE, WE DON'T HAVE TO, UM, IT, IT WILL GO RIGHT TO SILVER IMMEDIATELY.

I, THAT MIGHT'VE BEEN A TYPO OR SOMETHING, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO, THERE IS NO SEPTIC, WE INITIATE RIGHT.

TO SEE WHERE IT, SO WE CAN REMOVE THAT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

SHE WAS MY QUESTION TO THE, MY OTHER QUESTION IS, WILL THIS REQUIRE

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THAT'S ALREADY THERE AND THEN POTENTIALLY HAVE ROADS WITHIN THE, OKAY.

SO AT THE MOMENT, NO CURB CUTS OR ADDITIONAL CURB CUTS ARE REQUIRED.

I'M AWARE OF, ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION OF STAFF.

UM, I CAN REMEMBER SOME COUPLE OF THREE, FOUR YEARS AGO WHEN JUST UP THE ROAD HILTON HEAD NATIONAL BEING APPLIED FOR.

AND THERE WAS A FAIR AMOUNT OF CONCERN AS YOU KNOW, OVER THAT.

UM, BUT SOME OF THE ISSUES WERE, WERE TO, UH, THE GROWTH ALONG THAT PARTICULAR ROAD STRETCH, YOU KNOW, LEADING TO THE FLYOVER AND THE ISSUE WITH THE FLY AND TRAFFIC.

AND SO ON.

UM, TO THE EXTENT THERE WAS A COMMENTARY THAT WAS OFFERED BY BOTH BLUFFTON AND HILTON HEAD, UM, ONE IN SUPPORT OF RECOMMENDATION AND THEN ONE WHO WAS NOT.

SO MY INQUIRY REALLY TO THE STAFF IS, AS THIS GOES FORWARD TO, TO GO FORWARD IS TO, UH, TOUCH BASE WITH BOTH OF THOSE COMMUNITIES SINCE IT IS ON THEIR BORDERLINE.

AND IT HAS SOME IMPACT TO THEIR COMMUNITY AND IN POTENTIALLY INFRASTRUCTURE ROADWAY, SINCE MORE TRAFFIC WILL BE ON THAT ROAD.

UM, SO I THINK YOU, YOU INDICATE THAT YOU WOULD DO THAT TO ME.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, NO QUESTIONS.

YES.

HOW MUCH, AND I DON'T MEAN, YOU KNOW, AN EXACT NUMBER, BUT HOW MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE IN DENSITY WOULD THERE BE BETWEEN THE HAMLET CENTER VERSUS NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER? WAS THAT AN ISSUE OR IS THIS MORE WHAT LET'S GO? SO THE, UM, THE WAY THE DESIGN WILL WORK IS EVERYTHING'S BASED, UH, CONGRUENT ON OPEN SPACE, PARKING, UM, SETBACKS AND SUCH.

SO WE'RE NOT GAINING ANY MORE DENSITY PER SE.

IT'S JUST HOW IT'S ALLOCATED ON THE SITE.

SO, UM, WE'RE NOT GETTING A BONUS FOR SQUARE FOOTAGE OR AN FDR CALCULATION OR PER ROOM.

UM, IT, IT, YOU STILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE REST OF THE REGULATIONS BY THE COUNTY.

SO NO, THERE REALLY ISN'T ANY ADDED DENSITY.

WE'LL SAY.

UM, I WILL ADD THAT AS A PART OF REVIEWING THE APPLICATION, WE CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT 50 PEAK HOUR TRIPS ARE TRIGGERED, WHICH WOULD TRIGGER A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.

AND THE CHANGE FROM THE ZONING THAT IT IS NOW TO THE REQUESTED ZONING DID NOT TRIGGER THAT INCREASE IN DENSITY SO THAT THERE WERE THOSE THAT INCREASE IN TRIPS AND NEEDING THAT.

SO I THINK THAT MIGHT HELP GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF A GAUGE THAT IT'S NOT TOO MUCH, UH, TRIP STUDY WILL BE PART OF AN OLD CONCEPT, NOT REQUIRED FOR THIS, THIS APPLICATION, BECAUSE IF IT TRIGGERS, IF IT'S GOING FROM A BASE ZONING, THAT'S GOING TO TRIGGER THAT MUCH MORE TRAFFIC, OR WE CAN ANTICIPATE IT WHILE WE REQUIRE A TIA FOR THE REZONING, BUT THIS DID NOT DO THAT.

NOW IT MAY BE POTENTIALLY REQUIRED DOWN THE LINE WITH DEVELOPMENT, DEPENDING ON HOW THAT GOES, BUT, OKAY.

HOW DOES A PART OF THIS? YOU FORESEE A TRAFFIC LIGHT COMING OUT OF THAT THAT'S TO THE COUNTY HAS ALREADY WENT THERE AND THEN THE BUCKINGHAM PLANTATION INTERSECTION, THERE ISN'T ONE BETWEEN THE WATER OR THE EDGE WATER AND WHERE THAT CURB CUT IS.

AND I DON'T KNOW ACCESS TO MANAGEMENT PARKWAY, BUT I PREPARED THAT DIDN'T ANSWER THAT.

I DON'T KNOW.

OKAY.

SO STANFORD, IF I MAY HAVE AGREES WITH THE ANSWER, UM, THAT ON SIX AND A HALF ACRES, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO ZONES IS NOT A DENSITY ISSUE.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF UNITS, OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S BUILDING.

UH, WE DID AN ANALYSIS BASIC CAUSE THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE HERE IS, IS BUILDING HEIGHT.

UH, ONE THAT ALLOWS TWO AND A HALF STORIES, YOU KNOW, AND ALLOWS FOR.

AND SO WE DID KIND OF A COMPARISON CAUSE THE SITE NEXT DOOR TO IS DEVELOPING AS WELL.

AND IF THIS WHOLE THING, JUST BY VIRTUE OF ASSUMING THAT SOMEBODY WAS ABLE TO MAXIMIZE YOUR BUILDING HEIGHT, IT WOULD HAVE TWO AND A HALF STORY.

BUT BRACE OF THE FOUR, IT WAS THAT THINK AN ADDITIONAL 40 UNITS.

IT WAS NOT A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER BASED ON ALL THE OTHER RESTRAINTS,

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SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENTIAL, YOU KNOW, OF THE EXISTING 70.

AND ONCE YOU CHANGE THE FUTURE SETTING, NOT NECESSARILY THE TOTAL NUMBER THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED, THAT WOULD TRIGGER WHEN IT COMES IN FOR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW.

UM, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS AND WHETHER THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO A TIA ONCE WHEN THEY BUILT THE APARTMENT COMPLEX OR WHATEVER THEY COULD BUILD HERE.

DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT TO THAT? WELL, I DIDN'T FIND THAT.

I DIDN'T GET AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION YET.

OH, I'M SORRY.

WE SAY THAT ON A HAMLET CENTER OPEN THAT THAT'S TWO AND A HALF STORIES OR IS THAT FOR ONCE TWO AND A HALF ONES FOR TONY T4 HANDLING CENTER OPEN IS TWO AND A HALF MAX.

UM, SO BEANS YOU GET THE THIRD STORY WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING WHERE IT WAS IN A DORMER OR, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARSH PARTIALLY, UH, ASSUMED TRUTH IN T4 NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER.

IT'S FOUR STORIES.

AND THAT'S REALLY THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE TWO DISTRICTS IS THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE ENTIRE SITE, THEY ARE THE ONE NEXT DOOR TO IT.

AND THEN THIS ONE, AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU CALCULATE WHAT COULD BE DEVELOPED ON THAT AND THEN ADDING THOSE ADDITIONAL ONE AND A HALF STORIES TO THIS HALF OF THE SITE, I THINK WE GOT SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 40 MULTI-FAMILY, ADDITIONAL MULTI-FAMILY UNITS DID NOT TRIGGER IT.

IS THAT JUST ON THIS SIDE? ARE THEY IN TOTAL, THE TOTAL ZONING AREA? THAT THAT'S A LOT ON SIX AND A HALF ACRES, 40 UNITS ADDITIONAL, I MEAN, YES, BUT WE HAVE SPECIFIC IN OUR ORDINANCE ASKING WHAT TRIGGERS OUR TRIPS.

SO THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, THE ARM SAYING, OH NO, NO.

AND THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T REQUIRE IT TA WITH, WITH THIS, UH, JENNIFER, DO YOU, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS? IS SHE ON THE ONLINE? I HAD BRITTANY, I AM A FREE ECL.

I'M GOING TO BE FOR COUNTY CAPITAL PROJECTS COORDINATOR.

I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO HIT POINT ON THE NOTE OF THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL, SIMILAR TO YOUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, THE BOOK WALTER ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN.

IT IS CURRENTLY IN THE WORKS THREE BOOKS.

I'M SORRY.

IT LEFT HIM PARKWAY ACCESS.

OKAY.

I'M SORRY.

CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? MY APOLOGIES.

I'M SORRY.

I'M MOBILE.

UM, SIMILAR TO THE NEXT ITEM ON YOUR AGENDA WITH THE BOOK WALTER ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN, AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL IS CONCERNED ON BLUFFTON PARKWAY, WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE WORK OF GETTING A SCOPE FOR THE BLUFFTON PARKWAY ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN, WHICH WILL BE COMING IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

SO IN REGARDS TO ANY ACCESS MANAGEMENT OR TRAFFIC SIGNALS ALONG THE PARKWAY, THAT'LL BE COMING TO YOU IN THE FUTURE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS.

I'M NOT THRILLED ABOUT THE FOUR STORIES, BUT THERE'S ALREADY QUITE A BIT OF AREA FOR THE SAME THING EAST, WEST, WEST OF THE SITE.

AND IT'S ALSO MAKING IT MORE, UM, WHAT HE WOULD BE.

WOULDN'T BE MY STATEMENT.

ALRIGHT.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT? OKAY.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO NOT APPROVE THIS ZONING MAP? GIVE ME A MOTION TO, UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO NOT APPROVE, UM, THE ZONING CHANGE AMENDMENT HAVE A SECOND.

I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE THING BEFORE WE VOTE WHAT WE NEED.

I MEAN, WE HAVEN'T HAD A SECOND YET.

WE DON'T HAVE A SECOND AND EMOTION.

DOESN'T STAND FOR IT.

WE'D HAVE TO GO FOR IT FOR ANOTHER EMOTION OR WHAT WE DO.

IF WE CAN'T MAKE THIS, WE DON'T MAKE A MOTION AT ALL.

IT DOESN'T GET BAD AND THEN FAILS.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO AGAIN, EITHER APPROVE OR, WELL, WE HAVE A MOTION TO DISAPPROVE.

I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

I MEAN, WE DIDN'T HAVE A MOTION TO DISAPPROVE BECAUSE THERE WASN'T A SECOND, CORRECT.

IT WASN'T A COMPLETE MOTION NOW.

OKAY.

SO I MOVE THAT IT BE APPROVED.

WE HAVE THE SECOND WE'LL HAVE TO STATE EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT HERE, BUT AS STAFF PREFERS, WE HAVE A SECOND FOR APPROVAL

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ALL RIGHT.

ARE THERE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE VOTE? I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WE NEED MORE APARTMENTS FOR PEOPLE FOR WORKING PEOPLE.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY, UH, I MEAN, BRANDS IS SO HIGH IN NAVY WITH MORE APARTMENTS, WHENCE WILL COME DOWN, BUT WE REALLY NEED HOUSING FOR THE WORKFORCE AROUND HERE.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY POINT.

THAT'S WHAT I WANT US.

I STRENGTHENED WHAT YOU JUST SAID, ESPECIALLY I'M LIFTING.

THAT'S WHAT, THIS IS.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE VOTE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT AS REQUESTED, PICKS YOUR HAND GUIDE THAT CHRIS, ALL THOSE WHO DON'T APPROVE, NOT DON'T APPROVE THE MOTION FOR THE AMENDMENT PASSES.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

GREAT DISCUSSION BY THE WAY.

RIGHT? VERSUS SPECIAL POINTS ON BOTH SIDES.

OKAY.

NEXT ITEM,

[9. TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE (CDC): APPENDIX C.4.30 (FUTURE SIGNAL LOCATIONS) TO UPDATE THE BUCKWALTER PARKWAY ACCESS MANAGEMENT STANDARDS]

OKAY.

THIS IS YUMMY THAT I'LL BE PRESENTING TO YOU ALL TONIGHT IS UPDATING OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE, APPENDIX C DIVISION BUCKWALTER ACCESS MANAGEMENT STANDARDS.

UM, SPECIFICALLY THE FUTURE SIGNAL LOCATIONS PORTION OF THAT SECTION.

SO AT THE BACK OF OUR CDC, WE DO HAVE SEVERAL ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLANS AND ACCESS MANAGEMENT STANDARDS RATHER FOR SPECIFIC LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT BUFORD COUNTY AND THE BUCK WALTER CORRIDOR IS ONE OF THEM.

UM, SO BACK IN 2007, A ACCESS MANAGEMENT STUDY WAS DONE ON THIS CORRIDOR AND IT WAS DONE BY SRS ENGINEERING, LLC.

AND IT WAS ADOPTED THE FOLLOWING YEAR.

AND THAT'S WHERE OUR STANDARDS CAME FROM, THAT ARE IN THE CDC.

UM, SINCE THAT DATE, 14 YEARS AGO, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES AND BEAL ENGINEERING HAS COME IN TO DO, UM, THE NECESSARY ANALYSIS OF THOSE CHANGES AND MAKE ANY NECESSARY UPDATES.

SO THIS IS THE SCOPE OF THE STUDY THAT'S BEFORE YOU ALL TONIGHT ON THE, FOR ME, IT'S THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN.

SO ABOVE THE LEGEND, THAT'S 2 78 DOWN TO BLUFFTON PARKWAY THERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN.

UM, YOU'RE PASSING BY THE BLUFF OR THE BUCK WALTER TOWN CENTER.

YOU'RE PASSING BY THE WOODBRIDGE AREA.

UM, THERE'S THE, THE BEV OR BERKELEY PLACE I BELIEVE IS THERE WITH THE, UM, THE CINEMA.

SO THAT'S THE STRETCH OF BUCKWALTER PARKWAY THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

AND BILL ENGINEERING WENT AND LOOKED AT EXISTING AND PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS ON THIS CORRIDOR, EXISTING AND FUTURE TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND CRASH HISTORY TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CHANGES.

AND THE ONLY THING THAT WE ARE CHANGING AS A RESULT OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE OUR RECOMMENDED FUTURE SIGNALIZED LOCATIONS.

SO THESE ARE THE INTERSECTIONS THAT WE THINK WE'LL NEED TO HAVE SIGNALS AND THE APPROPRIATE SPACING FOR THEM.

UH, THE SPACING DIDN'T CHANGE.

IT'S STILL RECOMMENDED THAT WE STICK TO 2000 FEET APART FOR OUR RECOMMENDED SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS.

THIS IS FROM 2007.

UM, THE AREA GOAL IS NOT FROM 2007, SO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE SAME DEVELOPMENT ACROSS BOTH IMAGES, BUT THESE ARE THE FIVE, UM, RECOMMENDED FUTURE SIGNALIZED LOCATIONS ON THIS PORTION OF THE CORRIDOR.

SO YOU HAVE THE SIGNAL AT US, 2 78, YOU HAVE THE SIGNAL AT CINEMA, SOUTH OR PINELLAS.

YOU HAVE THE SIGNAL AT LUDLOW STREET.

YOU HAVE A SIGNAL WHICH DOES EXIST TODAY AT THE BLA, UH, THE BUCK WALTER TOWN CENTER, SOUTH AND THE SIGNAL AT BLUFFTON PARKWAY.

SO THOSE WERE THE ORIGINAL FUTURE LOCATIONS THAT ARE INCLUDED TODAY IN OUR CDC.

AND IT'S RECOMMENDED THAT WE CHANGE THEM FOR THE UPDATED CONDITIONS THESE HERE.

SO YOU'VE GOT THE BIGGEST CHANGES ARE WE'RE MOVING CINEMA SOUTH TO CINEMA NORTH.

SO IT'S JUST SHIFTING NORTH.

I CAN MOVE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THIS, IF THIS IS HELPFUL, YOU GUYS LET ME KNOW IF THIS JUST MAKES YOU BUSIER.

UM, MOVING FURTHER DOWN THE PARKWAY TO WHERE LUDLOW STREET IS, WE'RE MOVING IT AGAIN, UH, NORTH TO MOP PARKSIDE OR MOTT STREET PARKSIDE.

SO IT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM THIS RESIDENTIAL ENTRY ONTO THE PARKWAY.

AND THEN, SO IT'S ALIGNING THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER, THEN WE'RE MOVING, LET'S GO BACK.

WE'RE ADDING ONE AT THE CREW KROGER FUEL DRIVE WHEN YOU'RE STARTING TO APPROACH THE TOWN CENTER AND WE'RE KEEPING THE WALTER TOWN CENTER SOUTH KEEPING THE BLUFFTON PARKWAY, AND

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THAT ONE IS EXISTING.

SO THAT'S NOT OUR RECOMMENDED FUTURE LOCATION.

IT ALREADY EXISTS.

ALL OF THE OTHER ACCESS POINTS WOULD BE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT.

SO THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION.

AND THAT IS PRETTY MUCH ALIGNS WITH OUR ORIGINAL PLAN BACK IN 2007 AND THE SAME DISTANCES FOR ACCESS.

UM, EVERYTHING ELSE STAYS THE SAME.

THIS IS REALLY WHAT IS BEING RECOMMENDED TO CHANGE FOR THESE UPDATED CONDITIONS, THE OCTOBER PUBLIC FACILITIES OR THE MEETING IN OCTOBER FOR THE PUBLIC FACILITIES COMMITTEE AND FOR COUNTY COUNCIL DID REVIEW THIS JUST FOR BACKGROUND AND BOTH VOTED TO APPROVE.

AND THEN IT CAME BACK TO US BECAUSE IT WAS REALIZED THAT THIS WOULD REQUIRE A CHANGE TO OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE.

AND WE OF COURSE OVERSEE THAT.

AND SO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW WHAT CHANGES WERE BEING RECOMMENDED TO THE, TO THAT PORTION OF THE CODE.

UM, WE DO HAVE JENNIFER BEAL AVAILABLE AND MS. FIELDS FOR QUESTIONS, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE, THERE COULD BE SOME MORE DETAILED QUESTIONS NEEDED.

UM, BUT WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF CHANGING THOSE FUTURE SIGNALIZED LOCATIONS TO BE MORE COHESIVE WITH OUR CURRENT CONDITIONS ON THE GROUND.

SO I OPEN IT FOR QUESTIONS.

YEAH.

CAN YOU THINK THAT MAP UP THERE? THAT'S WHAT, WHICH ONES WERE, WHERE ARE THE LIGHTS CURRENTLY? 2 78 AND YES.

SO 2 78 IS A CURRENT LIGHT.

THE, UM, BUCK WALTER TOWN CENTER IS A CURRENT LIGHT.

THE BLUFFTON PARKWAY IS A CURRENT LIGHT AND IF I MOVE ONE MORE, THE WHERE LAKE POINT HAS ACCESS TO THE PARKWAY AND THE PARKER'S JUST ACROSS THE WAY THERE, THAT'S ALSO A CURRENTLY 2, 3, 4 LIGHTS NOW.

AND SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADD THREE MORE, THREE MORE, RIGHT.

WELL, LET ME KNOW.

I CAN JUMP IN REAL FAST.

YEAH.

TO CLARIFY, TO CLARIFY THAT THERE WAS A, IN THE 2007 PLAN, THERE WAS A, ANOTHER, UH, TRAFFIC SIGNAL PLANNED AT INNOVATION.

IT HAS NOT BEEN INSTALLED YET.

AND, UM, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS BASICALLY SHIFTING SO FIVE LOCATIONS BETWEEN 2 78 AND, UM, THE PARKWAY FOR REALLY SIX, IF YOU COUNT THE TWO ENDS AND YOU'RE BASICALLY SHIFTING THE PINELLAS LUDLOW IN INNOVATION LOCATIONS, UH, NORTH, RIGHT.

SO YOU'RE NOT ADDING ANY NEW SIGNALS OR JUST SHOOK IN YOUR LOCATIONS.

OKAY.

SO WE'RE NOT ADDING ANY, CAN YOU FLIP BACK? SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE CURRENT PROPOSAL, RIGHT? SO THERE'S TWO LIGHTS PROPOSED BETWEEN 2 78 AND BLUFF AND TOWN CENTER.

THAT'S THE CURRENT PROPOSAL, IS THAT CORRECT? THERE'S THERE'S THREE THERE'S AND YOU MIGHT BE MISSING ONE.

UM, THERE'S IT WAS AT THE CINEMA SOUTH, AND THEN AT LUDLOW, WHICH IS, UM, IF YOU CAN POINT THAT OUT JULIANA, AND THEN THERE WAS, THERE'S ANOTHER ONE AT INNOVATION THAT SOUNDS LIKE THAT.

ONE'S NOT ON THAT MAP BETWEEN LUDLOW AND THE BTC S IS INNOVATION.

IT SHOULD JUST TO THE RIGHT, FOR ME OF WHERE KROGER FUEL DRIVE IS.