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WON, UH, TODAY IS WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 1ST, 2021 6:00 PM OR LISTENING TO, AND YOU ARE PART OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MEETING.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THE FIRST THING TO DO IS CALL THE ORDER AND, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I CALL THE ORDER AND, UH, DO A ROLL CALL FOR ME PLEASE.
AND LET'S SEE, WE HAVE THE NOTICE REGARDING A GERMAN.
THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION WILL NOT HEAR NEW ITEMS AFTER NINE 30, UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY THE MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS, PRESENT ITEMS, WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD BEFORE NINE 30 MAY BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OR A SPECIAL MEETING DATE AS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS NOTICE REGARDING PUBLIC COMMENTS, EVERY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC.
LIKE WE HAVE NO PUBLIC TODAY, I DON'T BELIEVE, BUT ANYWAY, WE WERE STILL GONNA REPEAT.
THIS IS, UH, WHO IS RECOGNIZED TO SPEAK, SHALL ADDRESS THE CHAIRMAN IN, IN SPEAKING, UM, AVOID DISRESPECT TO COMMISSION STAFF, OR OTHER MEMBERS OF THE MEETING, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
WHEN SPEAKING FOR THE RECORD COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.
UM, WE NEED THE ADOPTION OF MINUTES FOR THE OCTOBER SIX, THE MEETING, AND THE FIRST PLEASE ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA FIRST, PLEASE.
THE OPTION OF, OH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
HOW COULD I DO THAT? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WATCHING MY BACK ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA AS A PRINTED IN, AS IN HAND, I NEED A MOTION AT THE AGENDA AND I NEED A SECOND, SECOND, AND I'M LOOKING FOR A VOTE ALL IN FAVOR.
ANY OPPOSED? WE HAVE ADOPTED THE AGENDA AS WRITTEN.
SO NEXT WE HAVE THE ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR OUR OCTOBER SIX AND WE NEEDED A QUORUM OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE PRESENT AT THAT MEETING.
I'M UNKNOWN, UNABLE TO VOTE FOR THAT.
AND CARRIE, YOU ARE ALSO, SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO, UH, VOTE ON THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM ON THAT YET.
POSSIBLY JUST TO QUESTION IS JOSH COMES IN.
CAN WE BRING THIS BACK UP OR NO? OKAY.
UH, THEN WE HAVE THE ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES FOR THE NOVEMBER 3RD MEETING.
AND AGAIN, JUST THE PEOPLE THAT WERE ATTENDING THE MEETING, HAVE THE ABILITY TO VOTE AND MAKE A MOTION.
CAN I GET A MOTION FOR THE ADOPTION OF THOSE MINUTES FOR NOVEMBER 3RD MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER 2ND, A SECOND.
ANY OPPOSED? LOOKS LIKE OUR NOVEMBER 3RD MEETING MINUTES HAVE BEEN ADOPTED.
PUBLIC COMMENTS, UH, NOT ON THE AGENDA.
UH, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS.
I KNOW THIS ISN'T A REALLY OLD BUSINESS, BUT UM, I GUESS WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, AN OLD MEMBER HERE.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE HERE ANY LONGER.
AND I JUST THOUGHT THAT I'D MENTIONED THAT IS, THIS IS ELAINE'S LAST MEETING, UNFORTUNATELY, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S GOING TO BE ATTENDING VIA ZOOM OR WHAT SHE'S GOING TO DO, BUT SHE'S MOVING AWAY FROM BLUFFTON.
SO THAT'S WHY SHE'S NOT GOING TO BE ON THE BOARD ANYMORE, BUT UH, REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE FOR US IN THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OF BLUFFTON AND YOUR ADDITIONAL INSIGHT.
AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE MISSED.
SO NOW WE ARE IN, INTO NEW BUSINESS LIKE KATIE, UH, I BELIEVE YOU'RE UP.
I WANT US UP HERE FOR THIS APPLICATION.
WE HAVE BEFORE US, OUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW ONE AND A HALF STORY, SINGLE FAMILY BUILDING OF APPROXIMATELY 2,113 SQUARE FEET AND A CARRIAGE HOUSE OF APPROXIMATELY 632 SQUARE FEET.
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IS GOING TO BE LOCATED AT 25 AT MERRYWEATHER COURT, WHICH IS IDENTIFIED AS LOT SIX IN THE LANDED OAKS DEVELOPMENT IN THE OLD TOWN, BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT.AND IT IS ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD IN GENERAL HD.
SO YOU CAN SEE HERE IS THE MAP YOU'VE GOT MAY RIVER ROAD RUNNING ACROSS KIND OF THE TOP OF THE SCREEN WITH THOMAS HAYWARD COMING DOWN HERE.
THIS IS THE LOT HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE.
UM, PREVIOUSLY YOU ALL HAVE SEEN LOT ONE, WHICH IS ACROSS THE CUL-DE-SAC AND LOT FIVE, WHICH IS DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR TO THE BUILDINGS, RIGHT? THAT'S I'M SORRY, LOT FOUR IN THAT FIVE, NOT A LOT.
ONE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT LOVE ONE THOUGH.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE HERE IT IS IN THE ORANGE NEIGHBORHOOD GENERALS ZONING DISTRICTS, AS WE MENTIONED THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE LOT I PLAN.
SO AGAIN, WE SAW A LOT FIVE ABOUT MONTHS AGO, MAYBE THREE MONTHS AGO.
UM, AND THEN TONIGHT BEFORE US, WE ARE REVIEWING THIS LOT HERE, WHICH IS LOT SIX.
SO THERE'S THE, UM, THE PLACEMENT OF THE HOUSE WITH THE DRIVEWAY RUNNING ALONG THE RIGHT SIDE AND THE CARRIAGE HOUSE LOCATED HERE.
I'M SORRY, THE LEFT SIDE IN THE CARRIAGE HOUSE LOCATED HERE AT THE REAR, THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN, THE PORCHES OF THE FRONT HERE.
AND THEN IT HAS THE SMALL STOOP GOING INTO THE MUDROOM HERE ON THE OR PLAN, WHICH IS NOT ACTUALLY A SECOND FLOOR.
IT'S A HALF STORY ABOUT THE FIRST PLAN C.
THIS ONE HAS SOME DORMERS IN THE ROOFLINE HERE, HERE'S THE FRONT ELEVATION.
SO THIS IS THE SIDE THAT WOULD BE FACING THE CUL-DE-SAC.
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT ELEVATION AND FOR, UM, MINIMAL SLIDES, I'VE PUT THE TWO THAT WE REVIEWED UP IN THE TOP CORNER, UM, AS WAS REQUESTED BY THE COMMISSION AT CONCEPTUAL.
SO HERE IS THE RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION FEAR ELEVATION.
AND WE CAN GO BACK TO THESE LITTLE CORNER PICTURES IN A FEW MOMENTS AND THEN THE LEFT ELEVATION HERE.
SO THIS IS THE SIDE THAT WOULD BE FACING THE DRIVEWAY.
ACCORDING TO YOUR PLANET IS YEAH.
AND THEN THE, WHICH IS THE PLANS THAT WE WERE REVIEWING TONIGHT, THE CARRIAGE HOUSE FLOOR PLANS, AS WELL AS THE ROOF PLAN HERE, THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT SMALL, SO I CAN ZOOM IN A BIT IF NEEDED AS WELL AS THE ELEVATIONS FOR THAT.
SO WE WILL HAVE THE CARRIAGE HOUSE, UM, FACES SO THAT THE, UM, ACCESS IS FROM THE LEFT SIDE OF THE LOT.
THIS IS THE SIDE THAT WILL FACE THE LEFT.
I HAVE THE DETAILS HERE, STRUCTURES AS WELL AS THE RAILING DETAILS, PORCH DETAILS AND SERVICE YARD.
AND I CAN GO BACK TO THESE, UM, I'VE INCLUDED THE DOOR SCHEDULE ON HERE IS ONE OF MY COMMENTS PERTAINS TO IT.
UM, SO THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
HERE'S THAT LEFT SIDE ELEVATION.
AND THEN THIS IS THE LOT FIVE THAT WE REVIEWED AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING HERE.
AND THE ONE TO ITS LEFT HAS NOT YET BEEN SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW.
SO YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THIS ONE, BUT YOU'VE SEEN HERE AND THEN ACROSS THE CUL-DE-SAC OVER HERE, OUR THIRD PROPERTY, INLAND AND OAKS, IT IS THE FOURTH PATH.
YEAH, WE DID THAT FOR THE NORTHWEST NORTHEAST ONE TOO.
SO THE, I, THIS IS NOT THE ACTUAL SITE.
THE ONE NEXT TO THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET HAS ALSO COME IN.
IT WAS, UM, ERNIE SUSIE'S HOUSE, RIGHT? SO YOU'VE GOT, THIS ONE IS CURRENTLY ALMOST COMPLETE.
THIS ONE IS ACTIVELY VERY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
THIS ONE IS PASSIVELY BEEN IMPROVED, BUT NOT UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
AND THIS ONE IS IN THE PROCESS OF REVIEW TONIGHT.
SORRY, THERE'S A LITTLE BUTTON ON THE SIDE, BUT IT'S NEW PHONE.
SO THIS IS LOT SIX, WHICH WE ARE REVIEWING TONIGHT ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE HERE, I PUT THESE TWO TOGETHER JUST THAT YOU WOULD GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THE STREETSCAPE WOULD LOOK LIKE.
UM, THE DRIVEWAY IS WHERE THE HIGHLIGHTED PORTION IS HERE, UM, BASED ON THE SITE PLAN.
SO JUST, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S A NICE LAWN AREA IN BETWEEN CURRENTLY
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THAT WILL BE SHARED IN BETWEEN THE TWO STRUCTURES.THE DRIVEWAY FOR THIS ONE IS OVER HERE.
THIS IS THE ONE WE WERE REVIEWING TONIGHT IS THE ONE THAT'S LIGHTER IN COLOR.
UM, I BELIEVE I HAVE THE IMAGE FROM THE PRESENTATION AND THIS IS THE ONE THAT REMOVED THE HANDLING UP HERE.
CORRECT? UM, THIS, THE, UM, IN THE GABLED END, IS THIS THE ONE THAT HAS REMOVED THIS OR WAS THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET? THE ONE THAT HAD THIS REMOVED BECAUSE I HAVE, UNFORTUNATELY, OOPS, I STOLE THE HPRC.
ONE OF THE, TWO OF THESE STRUCTURES HERE.
DOESN'T DOESN'T HAVE THE, UM, VERTICAL ELEMENT HERE IN THE GABLE.
AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE.
I PULLED THE PICTURES FROM THE, UM, PREVIOUS PRESENTATION.
SO I WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE WHOLE FILE SYSTEM.
GABE YOU SIDE BY SIDE THAT HAD THE CORRECT ELEVATION FOR AWHILE.
THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT'S CHANGED ON THE FRONT ELEVATION OF ONE OF THESE TWO STRUCTURES IS THAT THE, THE ELEMENT IN THE GABLED END, AND I CAN LOOK THAT UP WHILE YOU ALL DISCUSS THIS, UM, HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM ONE OF THE TWO SO THAT THEY DID VARY A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO BUILDING THE EXACT SAME PLAN, JUST TRYING TO STAY IN THE SHADE, CHANGE THE FACADE.
I THOUGHT DIDN'T WE IN THE HPRC? I THOUGHT WE ASKED FOR LIKE, SO THAT'S THIS WHAT I'VE PULLED HERE.
I'VE PULLED THE SIDE ELEVATIONS HERE.
SO LOT FIVE IS THE ONE THAT'S DIRECTLY NEIGHBORING IT.
UM, SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT ELEVATION HERE, WHICH OF THESE TWO, IF YOU'RE COMING INTO LAND AND OAKS, IT WILL BE THIS VERSION HERE IS THE ONE THAT IS BEYOND THIS HOUSE.
AND THIS ONE RIGHT HERE WILL BE MOST VISIBLE FROM THE STREET AT THIS TIME.
SO AS YOU DRIVE IN, YOU WILL SEE THIS ELEVATION.
AND THEN IF YOU PEAK BETWEEN THE TWO HOMES, BUT ON THE SAME SIDE, YOU'LL SEE THE ONE THAT'S AT THE TOP CENTER HERE.
AND THEN THIS IS THE ONE THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET.
SO THIS ACTUALLY FACES THE LIFT STATION IN STOCK FARM.
SO IT'S THAT ONE IS IN THE STREET, WHICH IS THIS ONE RIGHT HERE THAT I HAVE PULLED UP MOMENT SLOWLY.
REALLY THE ONLY, UH, OUT OF THE DORMER CHANGED THE SITING PATTERN, REMOVED THE RAILINGS FROM THE FRONT PORCH, WIDEN THE STEPS.
SO THIS ONE, THE FRONT, THE PORCH HAS BEEN NARROWED A BIT HERE.
SO YOU'VE GOT THIS AS A FULL, IT'S, A NEARLY FULL FACADE.
THIS IS STILL A MOSTLY FRONT FACADE PORCH, BUT NOT QUITE AS LARGE AS THIS ONE.
AND THE ROOF SHAPE HAS BEEN CHANGED FROM THAT, UM, SHED ROOF TO THE HIP ROOF OVER HERE.
THEY ALSO HAVE REMOVED THE RAILINGS ON THIS ONE.
UM, IT IS REQUIRED TO BE 30 INCHES ABOVE GRADE, BUT IF IT IS PLUS OR MINUS ONE INCH, IF THEY'RE ONE INCH LOWER, UM, THEN THEY WILL MEET BUILDING CODE STILL AND HAVE A 29 INCH HIGH PORCH, WHICH WILL NOT BE VISIBLY DIFFERENT, BUT COULD REMOVE THOSE RAILINGS.
UM, AND THEN THE WINDOW HAS ALSO BEEN REMOVED FROM THIS PORTION HERE.
SO THERE WERE THREE ON THIS ONE.
THE LAST THING IS VIRTUALLY IDENTICAL, I GUESS FOR ME, MY CONCERN.
AND, UH, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE REVIEWING EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE, UH, I FORGET THE LOTS, BUT THE, I GUESS LOT FIVE AND FOUR.
UM, I MEAN, EVEN ON THAT, UM, MY THOUGHT WAS THAT THIS, THIS THIRD ITERATION WOULD BE A LOT DIFFERENT THAN THOSE.
UM, AND I MEAN, THIS DOES, IT'S JUST STARTING TO FEEL KIND OF LIKE A COOKIE CUTTER, UM, INFILL NEIGHBORHOOD IN HERE.
AND I, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THE CHANGES ARE ENOUGH.
I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY CLOSE NOW TO THE LOP FOURS.
I KNOW YOU'RE NOT SEEING THAT ONE ON THAT STREETSCAPE, BUT THIS IS REALLY CLOSE TO THAT ONE.
UM, IT'S REALLY CLOSE TO THE ONE RIGHT NEXT TO IT.
WE ARE NOT ALTERING THE MASSING OF THIS BUILDING AT ALL.
NOT REALLY EXCEPT FOR THE ONE DORMER.
YEAH, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T EXPECT TO SEE THREE OF THEM.
THAT'S A FEATURE THAT MAKES THEM SO SIMILAR IS THAT ROUGH AND THE PEAK ROOFING AND THE ROOF BEHIND IT.
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THAT'S THAT IN HPRC TOO.IT WAS MENTIONED PRIOR TO I'M SORRY.
ARE YOU ASKING ME TO READ NUMBER NINE OF THE HPRC COMMENT? YES.
UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE PORCH ROOF SHAPE, THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE IS IDENTICAL TO THE STRUCTURES PROPOSED AT 30 AND 35 MERRYWEATHER COURT.
THE OLD TOWN MASTER PLAN DEMANDS ROBUST, COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOODS HOUSES INCLUDE COMPLETE CA.
UM, THIS IS INCLUDED IN A COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOOD OR NOT JUST ONE TYPE.
THEY WERE RANGE OF HOUSING TYPES THAT OCCUR IN A VARIETY OF LOT SIZES IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF THE CAN'T SEEM TO READ.
I'M SORRY, NEIGHBORHOOD PROVIDE VISUAL VARIETY AND MAINTAIN THE DIVERSITY OF THE ALWAYS CHARACTERIZED BLUFFTON INCORPORATE ADDITIONAL CHANGES TO THE STRUCTURE, APPEARANCE, OLD TOWN MASTER PLAN UDL SECTION 5.1 5.1 POINT C.
AND THEN FOR FINAL SUBMITTAL, CONSIDER PROVIDING A STREET SCAPE, SHOWING THE PROPOSED HOUSES WITH THOSE NEARBY TO CLARIFY VERA, UM, VARIETY OF VARIATION IN THE DESIGN.
WELL, WE DID ASK FOR THAT WE'RE IN THE HPRC MEETING AND FIVE, THE TWO, AND IT JUST PROVES THE POINT.
I MEAN, THIS IS USUALLY A FACADES OR V I MEAN, IT'S CLEAR THAT IT'S THE SAME.
AT LEAST I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF WITH VOTING FOR IT BEFORE.
CAUSE THEY WERE ACROSS THE STREET AND THERE WERE SOME FAIRLY BIG CHANGES WITH THE ROOF AND THE PORCH, BUT FROM SIDE TO SIDE.
BUT LIKE WITH, WITH THAT NOW WITH THE THIRD ONE, AND ESPECIALLY WITH THAT WITH, YOU KNOW, THE ONE THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER, A LOT SIX AND FIVE.
AND I BELIEVE THE DISCUSSION AT THAT TIME WAS BECAUSE THEY WERE ACROSS THE STREET FROM EACH OTHER.
IT WASN'T GOING TO BE EFFECTIVE.
AND I KNOW THAT WE DISCUSSED THAT PRETTY THOROUGHLY AND YOU WERE SEEING TWO DIFFERENT SIDES OF THE HOUSE.
SO IT DID, IT DID LOOK DIFFERENT AS WELL.
I SOMEHOW MANAGED TO LEAVE THAT PORTION OUT OF THE POWERPOINT HERE, BUT THIS IS THE REVISED REFINED OR GABLED IN HERE SHOWING THAT ONE.
SORRY, I THINK THIS, THIS BUILDING NEEDS A SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT ROOF LINE AT A MINIMUM AND THE GABLES SOMETHING, UH, IT NEEDS SOME AS BRUCE WOULD SAY REJIGGERING THE VERY TECHNICAL TERM.
I LEARNED THAT WHEN IN COLLEGE.
SO IF THE, IF THE FRONT GABLE BECOMES A HIP AND JUST, YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE A LOT OF SPACE IN THERE, BUT ONE IN THE BOTTOM LEFT IS THAT LOT FOR, YES, I'M SORRY.
THIS IS LOT FOUR, WHICH IS ACROSS THE STREET.
AND THEN THIS IS THE ONE THAT ACTUALLY HAS BEEN REVISED TO BE THIS HERE, UM, WITH THE GABLED AND CHANGING WITH THE, THIS IS THE ELEVATION THAT TO ME WHO IS NOT, I DON'T HAVE ANY BUILDING EXPERIENCE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THEY ALL LOOK, I MEAN, FROM A LAYMAN'S AT VERY SIMILAR, I MEAN, ALMOST IDENTICAL AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID.
AND I KNOW THAT THAT WAS EXPRESSED IN BOTH OF THE PREVIOUS, UH, HOUSES THAT WE, SO, AND THEN AGAIN, READING THIS THROUGH THE HPRC THAT WE SPENT TIME TO REVIEW THIS WITH PRIOR TO BEING HERE.
I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU WERE IN THE MEETING WITH US AT THAT TIME WHERE YES.
WHICH I FELT LIKE WE TOOK THE TIME TO CHANGE AS MANY OF THE FACADE ELEMENTS AS WE COULD TO DIFFERENTIATE THE STRUCTURES.
UH, I MEAN, IS THERE A WAY THE MASSING OF THE BUILDING IS ALMOST IDENTICAL
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IN ALL THREE BUILDINGS, CHANGING A FEW DETAILS, DOESN'T CHANGE THE MASSING AND THEY'RE JUST AS A FORM, COMPLETELY IDENTICAL.THAT'S WHY WE'RE SAYING RETHINK THE ROOF AND IT SHOULD AT LEAST BRING IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
THE FACT THAT THAT THE GEOMETRY OF THE WALLS IS THE SAME, UM, HOPEFULLY WILL KIND OF DISAPPEAR.
IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU DO WITH A ROOF.
IF YOU DO A HIPPED ROOF AND YOU STILL HAVE THOSE SIDE GABLES THERE, AND THEY'RE ALL STILL THE SAME HEIGHT, IT'S GOING TO STILL LOOK FAIRLY SIMILAR TO THE OTHER BUILDINGS OR THE BEDROOMS AT THE BACK.
OR IF YOU TURN THE WHOLE SLOPE OF THE ROOF, THE OTHER 90 DEGREES, IF, I MEAN, YOU'VE, YOU'VE GOT, I CAN THINK OF LIKE FIVE DIFFERENT COMBINATIONS YOU COULD DO THAT MIGHT CHANGE IT, BUT I'D PLAY WITH IT UNTIL IT LOOKS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT.
I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS, IS FIRST, OTHER THAN STATING MASSING, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE DEFINE THIS? HOW DO WE KNOW THE LOCK? UM, I GUESS MASSING IS JUST ONE TERMINOLOGY USED, BUT LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT, UH, IF YOU TRYING TO DECORATE IT OUTSIDE, IT'S STILL BEING DECORATED.
YOU'RE STILL DECORATING THE SAME HOUSE IN A DIFFERENT FORM.
IT'S THE SAME EXACT FOOTPRINT.
SO THE ROOF LINES AS WE DISCUSSED, OR, OR, YOU KNOW, PUTTING A DORMER IN PUTTING A, UH, ELAINE, UM, ACTUAL MORE, AND YOU CAN SIT THERE AND YOU CAME UP WITH FIVE IDEAS IN YOUR BRAIN RIGHT AWAY.
UM, BUT WE'RE NOT YOUR ARCHITECTS.
WHAT ARE THE CHARACTER TO FIND? WHAT'S THE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES OF THIS COUNTRY, THIS REPETITIVE FORM ONE IS THAT VERY DISTINCTIVE FRONT GABLE AT THE SAME, SAME ANGLE, RIGHT UP FRONT, NO RELIEF.
SO IF YOU TURN THIS SO THAT I'M LOOKING AT THE SLOPE OF A ROOF AND MAYBE A SHED GABLE SHED DORMER, THAT'S A VERY DIFFERENT LOOK TO THIS HOUSE WITH THE SAME KIND OF SPACE INSIDE.
IT WOULDN'T AFFECT YOUR INSIGHT SPACE.
AND IF THE SIDE DORMERS BECAME SHEDS, YOU HAVE NO, YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE SHEDS ON THE OTHER ONES, SHEDS AND DORMERS HAVE VERY DIFFERENT CHARACTERISTICS.
AND YET YOU CAN STILL GET THE SAME KIND OF USABLE SPACE INSIDE.
DOES THAT HELP YOU A LITTLE BIT? THE ROOF IS THE MAJOR COMPONENT THAT MAKES THEM ALL SYSTEM.
I MEAN, IF YOU CHANGE THAT, THAT WOULD BE NIGHT AND DAY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S CALLED, BUT, UM, OR COMMISSION, I GUESS THIS IS THE PREVIOUS VERSION OF THIS STRUCTURE.
THE ONE THAT WAS REVIEWED BY HPRC HAD A BALCONY ON THE FRONT, UM, THAT SAT ABOVE THE FRONT PORCH.
THERE WASN'T ENOUGH DETAIL ABOUT THAT BALCONY AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS SUBMITTED TO GET IT.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTS FROM HPRC.
SO IT'S, UM, NUMBER SEVEN FOR THE HPRC COMMENTS, SHE SAYS, PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE BALCONY AND SERVICE YARD IS NOT ENOUGH AS PROVIDED.
THEY'VE REMOVED THAT FROM THE FINAL ITERATION BECAUSE THEY DID MAKE SOME OTHER CHANGES.
SO AT THAT TIME, THE PORCH ROOF LOOKED A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
THE MATERIALS LOOKED A LITTLE DIFFERENT, ET CETERA.
UM, AND AT THE FINAL, IF THE MAIN ROOF MASS REMAINED, BUT A BALCONY, FOR EXAMPLE, IT WAS ADDED.
UM, AND SO THIS WAS A SECOND PORCH AND THIS WAS, UH, LET'S SEE, BECAUSE I THINK, I THINK YOU'RE STILL LOOKING AT THE SAME MASSING.
IT, IT WOULD NOT LOOK, IT WOULD STILL WOULD NOT LOOK A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER ONES.
SO IT IS THE, IT IS THE ROOF IS THE PREDOMINANT DEFINING CHARACTER OF THIS, OF THESE HOUSES.
SO IF IT WAS A DOUBLE GABLE AT THE FRONT OR A GABLE WITH THAT SAME, UM, HIT PORCH WINDOWS TO DOORS AND DO A WALK-OUT BALCONY, IT'LL JUST LITTLE DETAILS ON THE SAME MAP.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THE ROOF LINE IS THE THING THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.
UM, SINCE THIS IS SUCH A DRAMATIC CHANGE, I WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU ASK THE COMMISSION TO TABLE THIS APPLICATION SO THAT YOU CAN GET A FEW REVISED THINGS RATHER THAN TRYING TO MAKE A COMPLICATED MOTION.
HOWEVER, BEFORE ANYTHING IS DONE WITH THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO GO THROUGH THE REST OF THE COMMENTS, JUST IN CASE THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON IT, OR, UM, TO, TO HEAR THE COMMISSION'S, UM, RECOMMENDATION BEYOND THAT IN CASE THERE ARE ADDITIONAL ITEMS. UM, SO STAFF FOUND THE FOLLOWING ITEMS HERE.
THE FIRST IS THAT THE DOORS AT THE MUDROOM GARAGE, BACKDOOR GARAGE STORAGE DOOR AND BREAKFAST, OR, UM,
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ARE ALL LISTED AS FIBERGLASS IN THE DOORS TABLE.UM, SO THOSE WOULD NEED TO BE REVISED TO EITHER A WOOD METAL OR METAL CLAD, UM, OR A WOOD COMPOSITE MATERIAL THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE BROUGHT BACK BEFORE THE STUDIO ADMINISTRATOR SLASH HPC FOR REVIEW.
WE HAVE NOT YET HAD A WOOD COMPOSITE MATERIAL THAT HAS MET THE STANDARDS THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR.
HOWEVER, IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT A WOOD COMPOSITE MATERIAL COULD NOT BE APPROVED IF, IF AN ADEQUATE ONE WAS BROUGHT BEFORE YOU, UM, THE SECOND IS JUST TO PROVIDE THE REVISED LANDSCAPE PLAN WITH THE UPDATED CAMMIE COVER CANOPY COVERAGE CALCULATIONS.
I JUST COULDN'T QUITE TELL ON THIS ONE, UM, WHERE, WHAT TREES WERE BEING REMOVED, BECAUSE ON HERE, IT LOOKS AS THOUGH THIS IS BEING REMOVED, UM, WHICH IS COUNTING TOWARDS THE CANOPY IN THE SITE PLAN, UM, THIS HERE AT THE FRONT, BECAUSE THERE'S AN EXTRA.
WELL, THE DOG WOULD LEFT IN THE CANOPY CALCULATION.
SO THERE WAS AN X THROUGH IT ON THE, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN HERE.
SO I JUST NEED THAT TO BE UPDATED, TO REFLECT THAT FOR IT, WHICH IS FAIRLY, UM, EASIER.
AND THEN ON THE PRINT VERSION, THIS ONE ACTUALLY ALSO HAS AN X THROUGH IT.
SO JUST SO THAT I'M ON THE SAME PAGE AS, AS YOU, THE OTHER ONE IS THERE, THE ELEVATION SHOW IT AS A, TO BUY MATERIAL, BUT THE, UM, THE WALL SECTION HAS IT AS A ONE BY MATERIAL FOR THE SKIRT BOARD.
UM, SO THAT'S JUST THE DETAIL HERE.
UH, ONE BY THAT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED, ABSOLUTELY.
YES, THAT WAS, UM, ONE OF THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS, UH, WOMEN WHO WAS ON THAT BOARD A LONG TIME AGO, USED TO CALL IT THE BELLY BAND.
AND IT HAS ALWAYS STUCK WITH ME.
AND I, I REMEMBER SEEING THE BELLY BUTTON, THERE WE GO, A NEW, NEW FEMINOLOGY BUTTON AND THEN THE OTHER ONE.
SO THE, THE ELEVATION SHOW THAT IT IS A TWO BY, AND ONE OF THE LOCATIONS ON THE DETAIL SHOWS THAT THE DRIP BOARD IS A FIVE QUARTERS AND THE ELEVATION SHOW THAT IT'S A TWO BY MATERIAL.
AND THEN, UM, THE LAST ONE IS THE ITEM THAT WE'VE HAVE ESSENTIALLY DISCUSSED WITH THE ROOF LINE.
SO ADDITION, ARCHITECTURAL ARCHITECTURAL CHANGES MADE TO MAKE IT MORE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ARCHITECTURAL DIVERSITY OF THE OLD TOWN, BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, AND WHAT I'VE HEARD SO FAR FROM THE COMMISSION, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG IS THAT IT IS THAT THE MASS THING IS IDENTICAL TO THE OTHER TWO STRUCTURES SPECIFICALLY IN THE ROOF.
AND IF THE ROOF WERE TO BE CHANGED TO A SHED WITH POSSIBLY A, UM, I'M SORRY, A HIP WITH A POSSIBLE SHED DORMER AT THE FRONT, UM, OR SOME VARIATION OF THAT, IT WOULD BE A SUBSTANTIAL ENOUGH CHANGE TO ALLOW THIS TO MOVE.
SORRY, HELP ME WITH THE, INSTEAD OF USING TO ME, SOMETIMES THE WORD MASSING GETS KIND OF ALLUDED, UH, FOR BETTER TERMINOLOGY THAT WE COULD USE TO WELL, MASSING IS, UH, IS A VOLUME METRIC THING.
SO THREE DIMENSIONAL GEOMETRY.
RIGHT? SO, YEAH, I GUESS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S A MASSING IS THE WHOLE MASS.
SO IS IT THE FACADE? IS IT THE ROOF LINE? IS IT THE ROOF PITCHES? IS IT THE, I GUESS I'M LOOKING FOR SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE, THE FACADE IS THE EXACT SAME AS THE OTHER TWO WITH A SLIGHT VARIATION OF THE NEED TO CHANGE THE FRONT FACADE AND THE SIDES.
SO I WOULD URGE YOU, UM, THERE IS NO, THE MOTION WILL BE TO TABLE THIS AS IF THE APPLICANT REQUESTS THAT, HOWEVER, UM, I WOULD URGE YOU TO STAY AWAY FROM FACADE BECAUSE THE CHANGES, THE FACADE IS ONLY THE THING THAT IS STUCK TO THE FRONT AND THOSE ITEMS HAVE CHANGED WITH THE MATERIAL WINDOWS DOOR REACHING SO MASSING THROUGH DIMENSION.
SO, BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
SO I GUESS IT'S NOT JUST MASSING, IT'S NOT W WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT I'M HEARING THE COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE IS A SUBSTANTIAL REFINE THE STRUCTURE, EVERYTHING ELSE I THINK WE'RE OKAY WITH, IS THAT YES.
I MEAN, I'M GOING TO, I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF.
I MEAN, TO ME THE MAIN THING, THIS IS JUST ME.
I FEEL LIKE I'M A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FROM THE REST OF THE BOARD.
I, UH, I'M, I'M A BIG PROPONENT OR A BELIEVER IN, UM, PRODUCTION, HOME BUILDING, BUT THIS, UH, IT HAS ITS PLACE I BELIEVE, BUT NOT IN OLD TOWN, BLUFFTON, AND THIS IS TEETERING TO ME, UM,
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WHERE ALL OF THESE HOMES, I THINK ANYONE, UH, EVEN SOMEONE THAT'S NOT ARCHITECTURALLY TRAINED WOULD KNOW WHEN THEY DRIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT THESE HOMES ARE THE SAME.HOPEFULLY YOU CAN CHANGE IT WITH THE ROOFLINE.
BUT FOR ME, IF I LOOK AT IT AND IT LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE THREE OF THE SAME HOMES, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT MEETS TO ME THE UTO.
YOU MAY NEED A NEW FLOOR PLAN.
UM, I, I LIVED IN A NEIGHBORHOOD CALLED IN CHAPEL WAY, CORNELIUS, NORTH CAROLINA.
UM, I MEAN, IT WAS ANTIQUITY ON CHAPEL WAY, AND THERE WERE 15 HOUSES ON THIS STREET AND THEY WERE ALL SIMILAR TO THIS.
I KNOW THEIR WORDS, THEY WERE ALL SIMILAR IN THE INSIDE.
IF YOU WALKED IN THE FRONT DOOR, YOU LOOKED AT THE STREETSCAPE, YOU COULDN'T TELL ANY WAY THAT THEY WERE ALL THE SAME.
THERE WERE DIFFERENT ROOF PITCHES.
THIS THAT THEY HAD MAYBE A, A LITTLE KICK-OUT ON THE FRONT FOR, UM, UH, WHERE THE DINING ROOM WAS.
THERE WAS, THEY WERE ALL COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
AND I LIVED THERE, I SAW IT IT'S, UH, AND BUILDERS BUILT IT.
YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE EXAMPLES THAT I'M USING THAT I KNOW IT CAN BE DONE.
SO THIS GUY WAS A PRODUCTION BUILDER, AND IT WAS CALLED ANTIQUITY.
AND IT WAS ON CHAPEL WAY STREET AND MAYBE KIND OF SAY, OH, THAT'S, WE WILL CHANGE THE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE TO THE ROOF.
UM, SO THE, THE DEADLINE FOR THE JANUARY MEETING IS NEXT WEEK, THE END OF NEXT WEEK.
HOWEVER, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT COME BACK, UH, UM, LET ME, BUT THE DEADLINE IS DECEMBER 8TH FOR THE JANUARY 5TH MEETING.
I THINK THAT'S THE ONE WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT THERE.
YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THE MEETING DATES IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT IN THEORY, THEY'RE DRAFT.
THEREFORE, I GUESS I'M LOOKING FOR, UM, OCEAN, UM, RIGHT.
NOT EMOTION, BUT IT'S AN EMOTIONAL TABLE.
I THOUGHT HE HAD TO REQUEST IT.
THEY'VE REQUESTED THAT YOU ALL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE IT.
SO IT'D BE A MOTION TO TABLE THE, TO A FUTURE MEETING DATE.
THIS, THIS PROJECT, FURTHER DISCUSSIONS.
ANY OPPOSED? NO ONE OPPOSED THAT MOTION PASSED AND I WILL REACH OUT TO YOU.
I'LL TALK TO YOU TOMORROW ABOUT IT.
CAUSE THAT LINE, UM, BECAUSE MOST OF THE ELEMENTS WILL BE THE SAME.
SO ARE MAYBE ABLE TO GIVE YOU A COUPLE EXTRA DAYS, BUT NOT MANY BECAUSE I GOT TO GET MY AGENDA PUBLISHED.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO JOIN US WITH THE TABLE, THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM TWO, AND IT LOOKS LIKE KATIE YOU'RE UP ONCE AGAIN.
UM, SO TONIGHT THE APPLICATION THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US AS THAT SECOND ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ALLOW THE ADDITION OF A STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF OVER THE TWO EXISTING STAIRWAYS ON THE BUILDING IDENTIFIED AS THE FARM, WHICH IS LOCATED AT 1301 MAY RIVER ROAD.
UM, IT'S BUILDING 11 A AND THE PROMINENT DEVELOPMENT IN THE OLD TOWNS LEFT IN HISTORIC ZONING DISTRICT.
YOU CAN SEE THIS AS THE LOCATION RIGHT HERE WITH THESE ZONING DISTRICT.
IT IS FIRMLY IN THAT, UM, BURNT SIENNA OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD CORE.
CALL IT A NEW COLOR EVERY WEEK.
UM, AND THEN THIS IS THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE STRUCTURE AT THE FRONT.
SO YOU'VE GOT THE PORCH HERE THAT HAS, THIS IS A, UM, LIKE A SCREEN SITUATION BEHIND THERE.
THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY PERMANENT.
SO IT TYPICALLY LOOKS LIKE THIS.
IT JUST HAPPENED TO BE CALLED THE DAY THAT I WAS OUT HERE.
UM, AND ALSO THE DAY THAT GOOGLE WAS OUT THERE.
SO, UM, AND THEN THESE ARE THE EXISTING STAIRCASE.
SO, UM, THIS IS THE STAIR AT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING.
YOU CAN SEE BEYOND IT, UM, IS THE EXISTING COOLER.
AND THEN THE OTHER STAIR RUNS ALONG THIS SIDE HERE, WHICH IS THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.
UM, SO YOU CAN SEE IT ON A SITE PLAN, WHICH IS A LITTLE EASIER TO SEE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T EXACTLY GET TO BOTH SIDES OF THAT BUILDING.
UM, THIS IS THE REAR ONE THAT WAS THAT ROOF LINE OF THE FREEZER THAT YOU SAW HERE.
UM, AND THEN THIS IS THE ONE THAT GOES TOWARDS MAY RIVER ROAD.
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MAY RIVER ROAD ACTUALLY EXTENDS BEYOND THE, THE FOOT OF THE BOTTOM STAIR TO THE, UM, APPROXIMATELY FRONT OF THE PORT CHAIR.SO AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE IT HERE'S THE ENDING OF THAT STAIR.
SO IT COVERS THE LANDING AS WELL, WHICH GOES PAST THE ARCH ON THE PORCH.
THAT REAR ONE, THIS IS THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE STAIRCASE.
UM, AS WELL AS THE PROPOSED ADDITION HERE, UM, OF THE COVERING FOR THE STAIRCASE, THE ROOF THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, UH, AND THEN THIS IS THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS.
SO YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE REAR ELEVATION.
THIS IS THE FREEZER THAT YOU'RE SEEING.
THIS IS, UM, AT THE PARKING LOT AREA.
AND THEN THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, AGAIN, THERE'S THAT FREEZER JUST FOR REFERENCE POINT.
I KEEP USING THE FREEZER CAUSE IT'S THE ONLY PART THAT I SAID COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER SIDE.
UM, THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
SO BECAUSE I'M USING THE FREEZER, IT'D BE WAY BACK HERE BEHIND THIS, BUT THIS IS THE FRONT WITH MAY RIVER ROAD AT THE VERY FOREFRONT OF THIS PICTURE.
AND THEN THIS SIDE HERE IS THE, UM, REAR, SO THAT YOU'RE SEEING, THIS IS THE TOP OF THE STAIR.
THESE STAIRS ARE GOING AWAY FROM THIS PICTURE, NOT TOWARDS YOU IN IT.
ARE THEY REQUIRED TO HAVE A GUTTER AT THE FRONT SIDE OF THE FRONT ONE? CAUSE IT'S WHEN IT RAINS REALLY HARD, IT'S GOING TO SHOOT RIGHT IN THE SIDEWALK.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THERE IS THAT THERE WILL BE A GUTTER AT THE FRONT SIDE OF THAT.
THERE IS A SQUARE GUTTER GUTTER HERE SHOWN ON THE ICN, ALTHOUGH IT COULD LOOK PRETTY COOL DOING THAT LOOK COOL, MIGHT DEFEAT THE PURPOSE OF THE ENTIRE STAND UNDER IT.
AND THEN THIS IS THE RENDERING THAT THEY'VE CREATED FOR IT.
UM, WE REQUESTED IT AT HPRC TO SEE HOW THAT INTERACTED WITH THE, UM, THE EXISTING PORCH HERE.
SO IT GOES BEYOND THE ARCHWAY AND INTERSECTS WITH THE, UM, COLUMN AROUND AN IMAGE FROM FARTHER BACK.
DO WE, THAT'S WHAT I WAS HOPING THAT WE HAD.
AND I DON'T SEE THAT IT'S, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT BECAUSE THE STAIR IS SO FAR BACK IN THE, IN THAT ELEVATION.
UM, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO EVEN GET A FURTHER SHOT BACK BECAUSE YOU ONLY HAVE ROUGHLY ABOUT SIX TO EIGHT FEET BETWEEN THE TWO.
SEE, I WAS, I WAS KIND OF HOPING TO SEE, WELL, THIS ADDITION PUT ON FROM THAT ELEVATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UM, SO IS THE SUPPORT GOING TO BE JUST ABOUT RIGHT NEXT TO THE RIGHT NEXT TO THE AUSTRIAN LAB AND, AND IN GENERAL, THE, ALL OF THE EXISTING SUPPORTS FOR THAT STAIR ARE FOUR INCH TUBES.
UH, WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING WAS WELDING TO THOSE FOUR INCH TUBES, NOT TO EXCEED THAT FOR IT ON THE SIDE, ABOUT THE ONE THAT'S UP FRONT, NEXT TO THE LAMPPOST, THE ONES UP FRONT, THOSE WOULD BE BEHIND THE POST.
AND THOSE WOULD, THOSE WOULD GO DOWN TO THE GROUND AS SHOWN THERE.
YOU CAN SEE IT KIND OF RIGHT HERE.
OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T HAVE THE GUTTER ON HERE.
WHERE DOES THE GUTTER, THE GUTTER GOES? THE DATA WOULD BE ON THAT, ON THAT FRONT LIP AND HAVE A DOWNSPOUT THAT WOULD, WOULD BASICALLY GO UP AGAINST THAT, UH, THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
UM, SO THE HPC IS AUTHORIZED TO REVIEW THE, UM, CERTIFICATE REPORT, WITNESS APPLICATIONS USING THE CRITERIA FOUND IN 3 18, 3 OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE AND APPROVE THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS, DENY THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, OR AS WE SAW PREVIOUSLY, UM, AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT COULD TABLE THE APPLICATION FOR FURTHER STUDY.
UM, TOWN STAFF HAS FOUND THAT THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS WOULD NEED TO BE MET IN ORDER TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH SECTION 3 18 3.
THE FIRST IS THAT, UM, THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE CALLS FOR COLUMNS TO BE A MINIMUM OF SIX INCHES IN WIDTH THAT IS FOR SQUARE OR ROUND COLUMNS WITH, OR WITHOUT CAPS IN BASIS.
UM, AND SO THE COLUMNS WOULD NEED TO BE INCREASED IN ORDER TO MEET THAT STANDARD.
THE SECOND ITEM IS THAT THE ROOF LINES ARE PERMITTED TO BE GABLES, HIPS, SHEDS, OR A COMBINATION OF THOSE BASIC FORMS CURRENTLY AS PROPOSED IS A FLAT ROOF THAT RUNS ALONG THE STAIRCASE.
AND THEN THE FINAL ONE IS THAT THE, UM, ROOF LINE SHOULD BE RESTUDIED TO CREATE A MORE PROPORTIONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, SPECIFICALLY THE AREA THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE COLONNADE.
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THEN THE ELEVATION WOULD BE GREAT.YOUR REFERENCE HERE AT THE BOTTOM, IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN? THE ROOTS, THE ROOTS ARE ACTUALLY SLOPED.
I THINK THE ORIGINAL COMMENTS WERE AT THE LANDINGS, UH, THAT, THAT THE, THE ORIGINAL SUBMISSION WAS WE SHOWED A FLAT ROOF, BUT NOW THAT IS ACTUALLY ANGLED.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, IT'S A SLIGHT SLOPE, I MEAN, BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, MAINTAIN THAT, THAT OVERALL APPEARANCE, UH, GOING DOWN.
BUT THE, BASICALLY AT THE LANDINGS, IT WILL BE SLOPE VERY, VERY, VERY SLIGHTLY RAY FROM THE STREET, UH, FROM THE STREET IS REALLY MY CONCERN, BIG TIME.
AND I, I, I WENT AND STOOD IN FRONT OF THIS LOCATION 10 MINUTES AFTER OUR HPRC MEETING AND JUST STUDIED IT.
AND YOU HAVE TO SAY THAT IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THAT, UH, ONE ELEVATION THAT THIS ONE, THIS IS A VERY PROMINENT LOCATION IN OLD TOWN, BLUFFTON, THIS JUST LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TURN IT.
IT JUST LOOKS LIKE IT'S A AD-ON AND IT'S THE MAIN STREET OF BLUFFTON.
UM, I JUST HAVE A FRIGHTENING FEELING THAT THIS JUST DOESN'T FIT INTO THE, AS WE CALL IT THE VERNACULAR OR THE WHOLE ELEMENT OF OUR, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT THE FARM, I'M LOOKING AT THE NAME OF THE PLACE.
I'M LOOKING AT THE LEFT OF THIS.
I'M LOOKING AT THE PLANTERS THAT ARE PLANTED HERE.
I'M LOOKING AT RC THAT IT JUST FEELS LIKE A DAG-GONE STEEL MILL MILITARY.
AND I THINK WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO, UH, IS MAINTAINED THOUGH, UM, EVEN LIKE THE STAIRS, THE STAIRS OF METAL STAIR, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND TO ENHANCE IT A LITTLE BIT, WE AGAIN ARE GOING INTO A STANDING SEAM ROOF, WHICH WOULD MATCH THE EXISTING.
I THINK WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS MATCH THE EXISTING ROOF.
AND IN THAT CASE, YOUR EXISTING ROOF IS, IS HIPPED.
AND I THINK WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO END UP HAVING TO DO, IF THIS IS THE SLOPE GOING DOWN THE STAIR AT THE BOTTOM, I THINK YOU NEED TO, I DON'T WANT TO SAY HIP IT.
I THINK YOU HAVE TO LOOSEN IT, TWIST, TILT THE FRONT PART OF IT OFF TO THE SIDES THAT THEY MEET IN A VALLEY AND THE SAME AT THE TOP.
AND YOU'LL, YOU'LL ELIMINATE THAT KIND OF AD HOC LOOK TO IT.
AND THEN ONCE YOU GET THE LARGER COLUMN SIZES, THAT HELPS TOO.
I'M VERY CONCERNED WITH HOW IT MEETS THE ARCH, THE ARCH, UM, IT'S TOO CLOSE.
IT, YOU CAN SEE HOW CLOSE IT IS TO THE TOP OF THAT ARCH.
AND ACTUALLY WITH THE, WITH THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION, IT'S, IT'S ALMOST GOING TO DROP BELOW THAT ARCH THIS WAY.
IF IT'S TILTED UP AND SLOPED DOWN TO THE SIDE, IT'S GOING TO BE WELL ABOVE THE ARCH.
IT'S GOING TO BE HALFWAY PROBABLY BETWEEN THE ARCH AND THE UPPER FLOOR.
SO I THINK IT'S GONNA, IT'S GOING TO MEET A LOT NEATER.
CAN WE TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COLUMN? SO, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT, SO THE COLUMNS THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO THAT WOULD, WOULD BE LARGER OR THE ONES THAT ACTUALLY MEET THE GROUND, NOT THE, NOT THE EXISTING ONES.
I THINK THE COLUMNS ALL HAVE TO BE AS BECAUSE, BECAUSE THE SUPPORT'S GOING UP, THE STAIR ARE ONLY FOUR INCHES CURRENTLY.
UM, YEAH, BUT LET'S GO BACK WHERE WE'RE JUMPING TO THE COLUMNS WHERE I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A ROOF LINE HERE, AND I THINK WE NEED TO STAY ON, BUT AS A COMPOSITION, IT ALL PUTS BECAUSE THE COLUMNS ARE ANOTHER ISSUE.
BUT I THINK THE ROOF LINE IS VERY IMPORTANT, UH, IN MY OPINION, AND I'M LOOKING AT THE BUILDING.
IF WE COULD LOOK AT THE BUILDING NEXT DOOR TO IT, WE HAVE THIS VERY NICE AWNING, YOU KNOW, INVESTIGATED USING ANY TYPE OF ANI EQUIPMENT, UM, TYPE MATERIAL OR SOMETHING OTHER THAN THIS FLAT ROOF.
AND HAVING ACTUALLY YOU COULD DO IT WITH AN AWNING.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE INVESTIGATED ANY TYPE OF OWNING EQUIPMENT THERE AND WE INVESTIGATED ANYTHING OTHER THAN MAKING IT UTILITARIAN.
AND I UNDERSTAND TRYING TO PROTECT YOUR EMPLOYEES, BUT UTILITARIAN AND BLUFFTON, OFTEN STATE OF MIND.
SO THAT AWNING, UM, AGAIN, I THINK THAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WE'D STILL ARE DEALING WITH THE SAME HOPE ISSUES, IF YOU WILL.
I BELIEVE THERE WERE ANY TYPE OF AWNING EQUIPMENT.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST LOOKING AT OKAY, WHERE THERE'S AWNINGS HERE AND THERE AND THERE'S OTHER MATERIALS RATHER THAN THIS.
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SO WE HAD, WE DID REACH OUT TO COASTAL CANLAS WHO'S BASED ON THIS, ESSENTIALLY, THAT WHAT THEY CAME UP WITH IS THE EXACT SAME THAT'LL REFORM.AND OUR WORRY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AROUND AT OWNINGS THROUGHOUT THE AREA, THAT'S THERE.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO THE SAME THING.
WEATHER-WISE AND THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LESS PERMANENT BECAUSE IT IS, IT IS THE LAST THING, BUT I GUESS I'M JUST LOOKING, I, THAT WAS JUST ONE, I, I, I THROW NOODLES ON THE CEILING.
UM, I THINK THE ONLY THING IS JUST GOING TO LOOK MORE LIKE A CANVAS WITH, YOU KNOW, ROD, WHEREAS THE W WHERE WE WERE APPROACHED THEM IS TO HAVE THAT MORE PERMANENT STRUCTURE THAT ALREADY FITS, YOU KNOW, THE METAL STAIRS.
OH, BACK TO THAT BLUE ONE OR SOMETHING.
UH, I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT FLAT.
WE COULD COVER THE ENTRIES OF EACH STORE, BUT THERE'S HAIRS, WHICH ARE, ARE THAT THAT'S BECOMING OUR LIABILITY.
I'VE SLIPPED ON HIM PERSONALLY.
WE'VE HAD SEVERAL STAFF FLIP ON THEM.
IF WE HAVE A GUEST SLIP ON THEM, WE ARE, WE'RE GETTING SUED WHILE YOU'RE DOING IT.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S NOT A EASY ARCHITECTURAL SOLUTION, BUT THERE IS AN ARCHITECTURAL SOLUTION.
I THINK, OTHER THAN WHAT WE HAVE.
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST, I THINK MATCHING THE EXISTING ROOF WILL HELP YOU A LOT.
YOUR ILLUSTRATIONS ARE NOT HELPING YOU THERE.
THEY'RE KIND OF BASIC PHOTOSHOP AND IT'S NOT REALLY WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S, I THINK MAYBE YOU SHOULD RETHINK THE SLOPES AND TRY TO MAKE IT LOOK MORE LIKE THE REST OF THE BUILDING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, THE ROOF IT'S THE ROOF MATERIAL, THE EDGE TREATMENT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE EDGE OF THIS LITTLE ROOF LOOK LIKE? THAT'S IMPORTANT, MORE IMPORTANT THAN PEOPLE REALIZE.
COULD YOU JUST TAKE FROM THE TOP OF THERE AND THEN COME DOWN WITH A COMPLETE SLANT ALL THE WAY DOWN.
SO IT'S A SLANT, THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE, IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S A BOW, BUT IT'S SLAMMING, YOU DO WANT IT TO FOLLOW THE STAIR SLOPE BECAUSE IF IT GETS, IF IT STARTS OFF HIGHER OR IT GOES HIGHER, YOU'RE GOING TO GET MORE RAIN.
YOU WANT TO KEEP IT KIND OF CLOSE TO THE STAIRS SO THAT IT ACTUALLY PROVIDES COVER.
THAT MAKES IT, YOU HAVE IT GOING OVER THE STEPS.
SO IT HAS SOME ANOTHER, COULD YOU HAVE IT EXTENDING OVER THE STEP, HAVE A ROOF LINE THAT I'M JUST, AGAIN, I THROW NOODLES IN THE CEILING.
WOULD IT HELP IF WE WRAPPED THE, WELL, THIS IS CHANGING THE, THE DELINEATION OF THE STANDING SEAM, BUT IF WE SLOPED IT TOWARDS THE EDGE OF THE STAIR WRAP THE EDGE OF THE STAIR, EXCUSE ME, THE, OF THE S THE SUPPORT FOR THE S FOR THE STANDING SEAM WITH STANDING SCENE.
SO THAT THE REST OF THE BUILDING HAS THOUGH, RIGHT.
THERE'S NOTHING, IT DOESN'T THE REST OF THE BUILDING.
I WOULDN'T INTRODUCE A NEW EDGE DETAIL.
AND, AND HERE, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT BOTTOM LEFT, MY QUESTION IS, IS WHY CAN'T WE IN GOING WITH ELAINE? BUT IF YOU FOLLOWED THAT LINE GOING DOWN RATHER THAN BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM.
AND THEN COULD YOU JUST, KATIE, IF YOU CAN, RAY'S AT THE TOP OF THE STAIRS, RAISE THAT UP TO THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE MAIN ROOF HIP, THE VERY TOP, AND THEN SOMEHOW WORK A SHED DOWN AND THEN HIT SOMETHING ON THE BOTTOM.
WE COULD HAVE SKETCHED ALL OVER THIS THING.
I, I THINK THAT, THAT, UH, W W WE ARE SOMEWHAT LIMITED WITH THE OVERHANG OF THE BUILDING AS WELL.
THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM? THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH HAVING TO DO THAT? YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE AN OVERHANG OF THE BUILDING.
SO ONCE YOU GET UP TO THAT POINT, MOST, ARE YOU AT THE PARK TO THE PROPERTY LINE THERE? THEY'RE TOUCHING IT.
THAT WAS THE UNFORTUNATE PART.
WHEN THE BUILDING WAS ORIGINALLY, COULD YOU, UM, IS THAT, THAT ROOF LINE HITS RIGHT IN THE CENTER OF THE STAIRS? YEAH.
FIGURE OUT A SOLUTION, RIGHT? I'M ALL YOURS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST SOLUTION.
I DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK VERY GUTTER ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
THERE WAS NOT, THERE WAS NOT ONE PUT ON BECAUSE ON THE MAINSTREAM, I WOULD SORT OF HELP YOU ONLY ON THOSE DOING MORNINGS, BUT, UM, AND MAYBE BEEF UP AT THE BOTTOM AND CONTINUE THE ARCH SITUATION.
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TO.OH, YOU MEAN ANOTHER, ONE'S PUT ANOTHER ARCH, UM, SIMILAR DESIGN.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S A STUCCO.
IT'S, IT'S BROUGHT OUT, YOU HAVE A, THEY'RE NOT RHYTHM ING ANYMORE, BUT YOU HAVE ANOTHER ARCH FOOTPRINT THAT WAY, LIKE, THAT'S THAT WHOLE, UH, RIGHT AWAY IN BETWEEN US IS ALL COMMONALITIES.
ANYTHING WE HAD TO PUT OVER THERE, WHETHER THAT'D BE A ROOFLINE STAIRS WHERE WE'RE GIFTED US TO USE, I'M SURE.
HERTZ WORKER, HER HERB, HERB, MAN.
IF HE HAD A LEGITIMATE, I MEAN, HE SOUNDS LIKE HE'S A REASONABLE GUY.
AND IF IT WAS BECAUSE OF AN ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT AND HE WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, YOU KNOW, PLACE LOOKS PROPER TOO, I'M SURE HE WOULD.
THEN HE APPROVED WHAT YOU WERE DOING HERE BEING IN EUROPE, BUT HE'LL BE BACK IN, YOU KNOW, IN OTHER WORDS, SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD COME UP WITH, I'M JUST, I'M THROWING PART OF THE CHALLENGE OF THIS, OF THIS SITE, NOT JUST THEIR SITE, BUT OF THE PROMINENT AS A WHOLE, IS THAT EVERY BIT OF SPACE THAT IS NOT PART OF, ONE OF THE FOOTPRINTS DOES COUNT TOWARDS THEIR OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO ANY TIME THAT ANYTHING IS NOT RETAINED BY THE POA IS THAT OPEN SPACE.
IT REMOVES FROM THAT, THAT LARGER NUMBER.
AND AT SOME POINT THEY HIT A THRESHOLD.
I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THAT, HOW CLOSE THEY ARE TO THAT NUMBER, TALKING TO THE INTEREST.
I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT TALKING MUCH, I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S STILL TOWARDS THAT NUMBER.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR SITUATION IS IN THE, AS A DEVELOPMENT AS A WHOLE, BUT AT SOME POINT IT DOES BECOME A PROBLEM BECAUSE THEY WERE RESTRICTING COMMON SPACE.
SO THAT, THAT MAY BE A CHALLENGE WITH THAT SPACE THERE.
AND THIS TIME, I MEAN FOR, YEAH, GO AHEAD.
YOU KNOW, YOU, I, AGAIN, I'M GOING BACK TO SOME KIND OF A DIFFERENT AERIAL AWNING, UM, A DIFFERENT PITCH, A DIFFERENT, UH, RATHER THAN FOLLOWING THE STAIRS, BUT RATHER THAN ACCENTING THE STAIRWAY, WHICH THIS IS DEFINITELY GOING TO DO, IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY PUT THAT STAIRWAY INTO PROMINENCE IS UTILIZE THIS ARCHITECTURAL OPPORTUNITY TO GET AWAY FROM THAT PROMINENCE AND DEVELOP SOMETHING.
SO IT'S NOT SO THE, SO THE STANDING SEAM ROOF ON SAY THE, THE REAR, UH, ONE, UH, CAN WE, ARE WE OKAY WITH THAT? ARE YOU GUYS OKAY WITH THAT ONE? AND THE SLOPE OF THAT? THE BACKSTAIRS, I GUESS I'M NOT HAVING YOU TALKING ABOUT THE BACKSTORY.
THE BACKSTAIRS, I'M NOT PERSONALLY, I'M NOT HAVING AN ISSUE BECAUSE THAT'S THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
I KNOW IT'S SIMILAR DESIGN, BUT I'M PERSONALLY NOT FEELING ANY FEELING TOWARDS THAT.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, IT DOES NOT MEET ITEMS ONE AND TWO.
UM, IT IS NOT INTERSECTING WITH THE FRONT PORCH, SO IT DOESN'T CONFLICT WITH ITEM THREE, BUT, UM, IT IS STILL THE FLAT ROOF WITH THE, UM, FOUR INCH PIPE.
AND THAT'S, IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE HPCC IS AS A REASONABLE CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A DEVIATION THAT'S I THINK THERE WILL BE A MINIMUM, A MINIMAL SLOPE AT, AT THE LINE AND THE BACK PORCH.
SO IF WE HAVE A ELEVATION IN THE BACK PORCH OR THE BAXTER YEAH.
WE'RE HAVING AN THE TOP LANDING, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE IS ON A SLANT.
I MEAN, EVEN THE ONE AT THE TOP LANDING HAS A SLIGHT SLOPE.
I MEAN, WE'RE LIMITED FROM WHERE THE, YOU KNOW, UM, KATIE TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, YOU CAN SAY, IS THERE A DEFINITION OF, UH, UH, WHAT CONSTITUTES A FLAT ROOF? AND, UH, THERE IS NOT WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR.
THIS DOESN'T MEAN THAT THIS IS NOT IN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR.
IT JUST, THAT'S WHAT CONSTITUTES A FLAT ROOF.
IN OTHER SECTIONS OF THE ORDINANCE IN THIS ONE, IT IS JUST THAT FLAT ROOFS ARE NOT PERMITTED AND IT DOES NOT GIVE THAT NUMBER.
SO IF IT IS PITCHED AT SOME POINT, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE NUMBER ON IT, BUT I DON'T, IT'S NOT A SPECIFIC NUMBER AS LONG AS IT'S AN IDEA.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING TALK ABOUT, BUT CAN WE SEPARATE THESE TWO PORCHES IN EMOTION THAT ALLOWS ONE VERSUS THE OTHER.
UM, AND I FEEL, I DON'T KNOW IF HAVING THE BACK WOULD BE, UH, ADVANTAGEOUS FOR
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YOU AND YOUR CLIENTS AND EVERYTHING, BUT AT LEAST YOU COULD GET THAT DONE AND HAVE THE FRONT STILL WORK DOWN.UM, I'M JUST, UM, KATIE, IS THAT, COULD THAT BE DONE? CAN WE SEPARATE THE, UM, THAT, THAT COULD BE DONE? I, I CAN'T GET THIS TO LOAD.
THE ONLY THING THAT I CAUTION WITH THAT IS THAT THE ELEMENTS SHOULD HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH EACH OTHER AND WHEN ONE IS BEING APPROVED THIS WAY, BUT WE'RE EXPECTING THE OTHER ONE TO CHANGE.
UM, THEY, IT WILL STILL NEED TO HAVE SOME SORT OF RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ONE THAT'S APPROVED WITHOUT LOOKING LIKE THE ONE THAT'S APPROVED, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY.
WHY DO WE HAVE TO HAVE THE, TO APPROVE? I MEAN, INCENSE, THE ONES, THE BACKSTAIRS AND ONE IS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
UM, SO I GUESS ARCHITECTUALLY, DOES IT REALLY, UM, NOT THAT, UH, MOST CONCERNED ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THESE TWO ARE JUKING AND JIVING TOGETHER, THERE WAS ONE OF MY OTHER TERM, I THINK FOR SURE.
I DON'T UNDERST I MEAN THE, THE TOP LANDING PART, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE, I MEAN, AS LONG AS THERE'S A SLIP, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THAT FROM THE ROAD ANYWAY, IF THERE'S A SLOPE OR NOT, CAN I HANDLE THIS? CAN, THIS IS WHERE I WANT MY ZOOM.
UM, WHAT ARE YOU CHARGING FOR THAT? RIGHT? IT'S WORTH EVERY CENT YOU PAY ME.
WHAT I WAS PLAYING WITH WAS A REALLY SIMPLE ROOF FORM THAT COMES OFF AT AN ANGLE SLOPES DOWN FROM THE TOP, AT THE TOP OF THE STAIRS, JUST CASCADES DOWN THE STAIRS WITH THE REST OF IT.
IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A TELL THE ROOF WANTS TO GO.
AND THEN AT THE BOTTOM ANGLES BACK OUT, WHAT WAS REALLY BOTHERING ME WAS THAT FRONT POST, LIKE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND WHAT I DID WAS I COPIED THE SAME ARC OF THE ARCH AS A METAL BRACKET THAT WOULD COME OFF AND KIND OF TAKE SOME OF THE VOCABULARY FROM THE BUILDING.
YOU HAVE MATCH THE ROOF, MATCH THE ROOF COLOR MATCH THROUGH DETAILED AS MUCH EDGE DETAIL, AS MUCH AS YOU CAN.
YOU'VE GOT A LOT MORE MASS ON TOP THAN YOU DO ON THIS.
SO YOU CAN JUST YOU'LL HAVE TO DOWNSCALE SOME OF IT.
BUT IF YOU JUST DO A LITTLE METAL BRACKET AT THE BOTTOM, IT GETS RID OF THAT KIND OF ITCHY, EXTRA POST, UM, IN THAT SKETCH.
UM, BUT ALSO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, ON THE PORTS FOR THE ROOF AND NOT THAT FRONT PORTION, BUT AS WE GO UP THE STAIRS, KEEP MAINTAINING THAT SAME PROFILE OF EXACT, THE SUPPORTS THAT ARE THERE SINCE WE'RE WELDING, TOO.
THOSE ARE, IS A COMMITTEE SAYING THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO WELD A LARGER PIECE TO THOSE.
I HAVE A HARD TIME WITH THAT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT WANT TO BE BIGGER.
IT WANTS TO BE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE VOTE, THE HISTORIC VOCABULARY OF A STEEL FIRE ESCAPE IS REALLY LIGHT PIECES OF STEEL.
THOSE AREN'T REALLY COLUMNS AS MUCH AS STEEL SUPPORTS.
I WOULDN'T TREAT THEM LIKE COLUMNS.
THEY'RE NOT HOLDING UP PART OF THE BUILDING.
IF A MOTION IS MADE SIMILAR TO THAT, PLEASE MAKE SURE IT'S SPECIFIED AS TO WHY IT CAN DEVIATE FROM THE STANDARD.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, THERE'S, IF WE'RE ALLOWING A COLUMN LESS THAN SIX, IT HAS TO BE MADE, FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE BACK, IF WE, IF SOMEONE DECIDES TO MAKE A MOTION, BACKSTAIRS, IT HAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE INCORPORATE, WHY IS ONE AND TWO PRECEDENT? WHAT ARE WE, WHY ARE WE SETTING A PRECEDENT? AND HOW HAS THAT PRESSING CARRY THROUGH FIRST OTHER PEOPLE YOU'RE COMING US TO US IN TWO YEARS FROM NOW AND SAID, WELL, YOU DID IT THERE.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, SO WE NEED THAT.
SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY A SIX INCH COLUMN IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR A FIRE ESCAPE, RIGHT? IT'S JUST NOT, IT'S NOT HOW, THEY'RE NOT HOW THEY'RE BUILT HISTORICALLY TO JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT WHILE THIS IS A METAL FIRE ESCAPE STYLE STAIRS, THEY ARE ALL TECHNICALLY FIRE ESCAPES, UM, FOR EGRESS FOR THIRD, MOSTLY, AND THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROMINENT, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SEE AS EXTERIOR STAIRS ON THE WOODWINDS, FOR SURE.
AND WHILE THEY ARE CURRENTLY A LOT OF WOOD STAIRS, THEY ARE NOT ALL GOING TO ALWAYS BE WOOD STAIRS.
AND THEY MAY NOT APPEAR TO HAVE THE SAME PROFILE AS THE STAIRS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT TONIGHT.
SO JUST IF THIS, I WOULD LOOK AT IT AS A COLUMN YES.
BUT STEEL STAIRS OR HAVE A DIFFERENT HAIR.
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WE WERE GOOGLING AROUND THE AREA THERE.I WAS LOOKING FOR OTHER STEEL STAIRS.
I DIDN'T SEE ANY, I CAN'T THINK OF ANY THE DAY.
I CANNOT THINK OF ANY AND THE BLUFFTON ROOM.
ISN'T IT? THERE'S AN EXTERIOR METAL THAT GOES UP TO THE NEW ROOFTOP BAR IN THERE.
BLUFFTON ROOM, I THINK HAS SOMETHING, I GUESS, TO THE BLUFFTON ROOM.
I DON'T THINK CAPTAIN, WOULD YOU HAVE SOME OUTSIDE SUICIDE? I THINK, I THINK ON THE OTHER SIDE NEAR THE PARKING GO OUT ENOUGH, KATIE.
SO THOSE SUPPORTS ARE THOSE SIX INCH SUPPORTS.
I'D BE SURPRISED IF THEY WEREN'T.
I DON'T THINK THOSE ARE SIX INCH.
WELL, WELL, MORE THAN THAT, THIS WAS ONE OF THE FIRST BUILDINGS IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.
WELL, I WAS HERE, BUT THERE IS A METAL STAIR THERE THAT THE ROOF I HAVEN'T BEEN TO THE ROOF YET YOU GOT TO GO IN AND TURN A LOT MORE STEPS.
THERE IS ALSO TO GET TO THE ROOFTOP BAR.
IS THERE A ROOFTOP BAR THERE? YEAH.
THERE'S AN ELEVATOR THAT GOES TO THE TOP TO, OH, I WOULD HOPE SO.
SO THAT'S KIND OF PROVING MY POINT.
THAT'S I BE AMAZED IF THOSE WERE SIX INCH POSTS.
UM, I STILL STAND BY WHAT I SAID.
I AGREE WITH, I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.
HEY, WHAT IS IT? UH, IS THERE ANY POINT, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IS THERE SOMEONE THAT WANTS TO PRESENT A MOTION THAT, UH, YEAH, I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, THE WE'RE OKAY WITH THE REAR STAIR AND THE SIDE STARE FOR, IF WE MAKE THE SKETCH OR A SIMILAR SKETCH TO WHAT WE GOT, THAT WILL BE ACCEPTABLE.
DID ANYONE, EVERYONE LOOK AT THE SKETCH MEAN? DOES SOMEONE HAVE ANY MORE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON CAUSE WE'RE, I MEAN, THIS SKETCH, I GUESS, UH, YOUR, UM, THERE WOULD NOT BE A COLUMN NEXT TO WHERE, I MEAN, NEXT TO THE STREET POST, THAT THEY'LL STREET LIGHT.
UM, THAT, THAT WOULD ONLY BE AT THAT, THAT BOTTOM SECTION, IF YOU WILL, AND WE'VE ELIMINATED THESE STILL HAVE COLUMNS GOING UP THE STREET, NOT COLUMNS, BUT YOU STILL HAVE SUPPORTS GOING UP THE STAIRS.
BUT NOW THAT ONE, YOU GOT THE STREET POST AND YOU HIT THAT OTHER POST THERE THAT WAS CLUNKY BY YOU PUTTING THIS ARCH IN AND SUPPORTIVE.
IT'S, IT'S KIND OF LAID OUT THAT WAY.
CAN I TAKE A LOOK AT THE SKETCH? YES.
BUT I ENCOURAGE YOU TO SEE IF YOU CAN FIND SOMEBODY WHO MAYBE HAS SOME GRAPHIC SKILLS THAT CAN MAKE IT LOOK THE WAY IT REALLY WILL LOOK AND THEN PRESENTED TO US IN A BETTER YEAH.
WOULD IT BE ACCEPTABLE IF AS YOU HAVE THAT ARCH WAY, SIMILAR CURVED ARCH WAY, WOULD IT BE ACCEPTABLE? CAUSE WE, WE WERE REALLY TRYING TO STAY AWAY FROM SUPPORTING ANYTHING OFF THE BUILDING.
WOULD IT BE ACCEPTABLE IF WE BOUGHT DOWN A SIX INCH METAL COLUMN TO THE GROUND ON THE, ON THE, BASICALLY ON THE SIDE, ALMOST LIKE HAVING A CANDLE LEVER, THE SUPPORTING AND OFFER THAT, BUT IT'S SLAP UP AGAINST THE BUILDING, THE WHOLE STRUCTURE REALLY FREESTANDING.
YOU DON'T WANT TO HANG ANYTHING OFF THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
I'M NOT SAYING, UM, YEAH, I DON'T WANT TO HANG ANYTHING OFF THE, OFF THE BAT.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS FOR THAT BOTTOM PORTION, AT THE TWO, RIGHT NEXT TO THE ARCHWAY, IF WE HAD A METAL SUPPORT THAT CAME DOWN BOTTOM PORTION, IT SHOULD LOOK OKAY, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT HOW YOU TREAT THAT EDGE AND HOW THAT MEETS THE BUILDING.
CAUSE IF IT'S JUST KIND OF A, I DON'T KNOW IF ALL I SEE IS ROOF AND A COLUMN COMING OUT THE FIRST TIME AGAINST THE BUILDING AND IT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A DETAIL OR, OR SOMETHING THAT JUST LOOKS A LITTLE ELEGANT.
I'M GOING TO DRAW SOMETHING AND YOU'RE PUTTING YOUR COLUMN.
I MEAN, YOU'RE, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE GONNA TAKE A, UH, SUPPORTIVE COLUMN, SLAP IT UP AGAINST THE BUILDING AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO USE FOR THAT ART.
SO THIS HAS BECOME THE SUPPORTIVE, TALKING ABOUT HAVING, OH, YOU'RE SUGGESTING THEY USE SUPPORT COLUMN BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE TRYING TO ELIMINATE ANOTHER COLUMN.
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YOU'RE BASICALLY HAVING, UM, A COLUMN UP AGAINST THAT, THAT STUCCO PORTION THAT IS THAT, EXCUSE ME, UH, THAT, THAT IS BASICALLY SUPPORTING, WELL NOW YOU DON'T NEED THE ARTS.THE ARTS WAS ACTUALLY A FUNCTIONAL SUPPORT.
SO WITHOUT THAT, YOU DON'T NEED THAT.
AND I'D ALMOST KEEP IT CLEANER THAT WAY.
SO BASICALLY GOING STRAIGHT ACROSS THEN, BUT I LIKED THE YARDS.
BOTH WAYS PLAY WITH A FULL ARCH.
LIKE I HAVE, CAUSE THE HALF ARCH WAS A BRACKET.
UM, YOU COULD PLAY WITH A FULL ARCH, JUST TOYING WITH THE SAME KIND OF CURVE THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD ONLY BE AT THAT PORTION THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BREEZEWAY THAT'S RIGHT.
AND THE REST OF THEM WOULD BE, WOULD MATCH THE SCALE AND SIZE OF UP BASICALLY WHAT, YEAH.
SEE IF YOUR, YOUR METAL WORKER CAN, CAN GIVE YOU SOME SKETCHES OR SOMETHING.
THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO SOME SHOP DRAWINGS FOR YOU TO GIVE YOU SOME IDEAS.
I SEE THAT YOU, YOU WROTE IN THE METAL COLUMN BEYOND, CORRECT? IS THAT OKAY? UM, BUT HE'S SAYING GO AHEAD AND PUT ONE UP FRONT.
WELL, JUST PUT ONE, BUT STILL HAVE, I GUESS I'M NOT COMING ACROSS WELL IS TAKING HALF THE ARCH LIKE YOU HAVE DRAWN.
SO YOU, YOU HAVE A CONTINUATION OF THAT.
WELL, I'M SAYING IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO AN ARCH TO DO A FULL ONE, NOT A HALF THE HALF, ONE'S A BRACKET.
IT LOOKS ODD TO SEE A BRACKET END IN A COLUMN RIGHT NOW THEY DID WHOLE, YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING THOUGH TO CLEAN THAT INSTEAD OF THE ARCH.
NOW, IF WE'RE PUTTING SET UP HERE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PUT A POST, YOU CAN PLAY WITH A DETAIL, DON'T MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, IT COULD END UP CHEESY IF IT GETS TOO, SHE WAS ALSO IN THE FRONT.
HERE IS YOU'RE NOT HAVING THAT FLAT.
AND THAT I THINK IS WHAT YOU'VE DRAWN IS VERY IMPORTANT IS HAVING ANOTHER, YOU WILL HAVE A VALLEY ONCE IT MEETS THAT THE BETTER IT'S GOING TO BE ON YOUR SIDE, ON THE SIDE.
NOW YOU JUST MOVE IT TO THE SIDE, YOUR, YOU KNOW, POP TOO.
AND IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A TRUE STEP AWAY.
LET ME SEE BUILDINGS IN WHAT THIS LIKE FROM THE STREETS, THEY WILL RENDER ACROSS THE STREET OR RENDERING.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, HAVING SOMETHING THAT SHOWS WE'RE PLAYING, WE'RE PLAYING DESIGNER ON YOUR HAIR, BUT YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH WERE YOU CHARGING? I WANT THAT I'D LIKE TO KEEP A SECOND INTEREST AND THE RECORD OF THIS, BUT I CAN, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO SHARE, I'M HAPPY TO, CAN I SEE AT THAT COLUMN UP FRONT AGAIN? GOTCHA.
SO YOU CAN STAY UP THERE WITH YOU AND YOU'RE DONE.
I JUST WILL GRAB IT AT THE END OF MEETING.
GUESS WHAT WE'RE SAYING? JUST COME UP WITH A NEW DESIGN TABLE TABLE.
THIS THING THAT IS WELL , BUT THE QUESTION IS, IS IF WE TABLED IT, WE'RE TABLING BOTH OF THEM.
AND MY CURIOSITY IS UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS COULD WE BREAK THEM APART? AND INSTEAD OF TABLING, THIS WHOLE THING, MAKE A MOTION.
KATIE HELPED ME IF WE CAN, AND YOU KNOW, MAKING A MOTION THAT ALLOWS US TO APPROVE THAT BACK ONE AND THEN HAVING, UM, THIS MANY RIVER ONE BE COMPLETELY REDESIGNED AND BROUGHT FORTH AS A SEPARATE.
SO MR. CHAIRMAN BEAR WITH ME FOR ONE MOMENT.
THE, UM, THE RED TEXT THAT I'VE INCLUDED AT THE BOTTOM IS ASKS FOR THE LEFT SIDE, STAIR ROOFLINE AND COLUMNS STUDIED TO INCORPORATE A REFINED, MORE SIMILAR TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURES ROOF.
IS THAT ACCURATE TO WHAT I'M SEEING NODS AND NOS SHOULD MATCH THE EXISTING? SURE.
IT SHOULD MATCH THE EXISTING STRUCTURE WITH ACCESS TO THE ROOF THAT WE WANT IT TO MATCH THE WHOLE FACADE AND THE WHOLE LOOK OF THAT.
SO I'M NOT JUST LOOKING AT THE ROOF, I'M LOOKING AT THE WHOLE BUILDING'S DESIGN RATHER THAN I THINK YOU WERE MENTIONING YOU WANTED TO FOLLOW THE STAIRWAY.
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DIDN'T WANT TO EXTENT YOU ACCENTUATE THE STAIRWAY.I WANTED TO GET AWAY FROM THAT AND MAKE IT SOMETHING.
SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THAT AS A EXTENSION OR AN EXTENSION OF THAT STAIRWAY AWAY FROM, I MEAN, I GUESS I'M NOT TOTALLY CLEAR ON, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I'M NOT SURE.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM THE UTILITARIAN.
I'M TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM THAT.
AND THAT'S WHY I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO JUST FOLLOW THE ROOF.
I WANT TO FOLLOW THE WHOLE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT OF THAT FRONT BUILDING.
UM, I'VE ADJUSTED A LITTLE SUICIDE IS THE STRUCTURE IS RUTH AND BUILDING'S CHARACTER SPECIFICALLY AT THE AREA ADJACENT TO THE COLONNADE TO RETURN THE H AND TO RETURN TO THE HPC FOR REVIEW AT A FUTURE DATE.
NOW THIS IS BECAUSE IF THE APPLICATION IS APPROVED, PARTIALLY, IT CANNOT BE AMENDED TO SOMETHING THAT SUBSTANTIALLY DEVIATES, WHICH ADDING ANOTHER ROOF LINE TO ANOTHER STAIR WOULD SUBSTANTIALLY DEVIATE.
SO IT COULD NOT BE DONE AS AN AMENDMENT.
SO THIS, WHILE HOPEFULLY YOU WILL BE ABLE TO REVIEW THIS APPLICATION IF THEY COME FORWARD WITH THE ROOF LINE BEING AMENDED A BIT, AND IT MEET THE INTENT OF YOUR APPROVAL, WHICH ARE THESE WORDS HERE, IF THIS IS YOUR INTENT SO THAT IT CAN, IT WILL BE AN APPROVED APPLICATION THAT HAS TO COME BACK FOR TO ENSURE THAT IT MEETS THE INTENT OF YOUR MOTION TO HPC.
UM, SO THE NEXT TIME YOU SEE IT, YOU WILL JUST MAKE A MOTION THAT IT MEETS THE INTENT OF YOUR ORIGINAL APPROVAL RATHER THAN IT BEING A NEW MOTION.
SO THE FIRST ONE, THE FIRST STARE AT THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, YOU WOULD BE MAKING A MOTION ABOUT THAT AND THEN ADD THIS LANGUAGE DOWN HERE TO INCORPORATE THE APPROVAL FOR THE SIDE ROOF.
BUT THE APPROVAL HAS TO BE BROUGHT BACK BEFORE YOU TO ENSURE THAT IT MEETS THE INTENT OF YOUR APPROVAL.
AND YOUR INTENT IS THAT IT HAS THE SAME CHARACTER AS THE REST OF THE STRUCTURE.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE WHEN I'M HAVING TO COME BACK? IT'S STILL HAS TO COME BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE, TO THE COMMISSION.
THE FULL COMMISSION IS THAT THE ENTIRE OR JUST THE, IT IS THE FULL COMMISSION.
OH, THE REAR STAIR OR THE WAY THAT IT IS WRITTEN IN RED IS THAT THE, THEY COULD MAKE A MOTION THAT GOES BEFORE THIS RED PART FOR THE BAXTER, HOW THEY WISH TO APPROVE THAT.
BUT THE LEFT STAIR SPECIFICALLY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK, UM, TO THE HTC, ACCORDING TO THIS JUST LEICESTER CURRENTLY.
BUT AGAIN, THAT IS ALL DEPENDENT ON HOW THEY DECIDE TO MAKE THE MOTION.
THIS IS JUST HOPEFULLY SOME LANGUAGE THAT MAY HELP THEM.
ENSURE YOU DON'T GET TRAPPED INTO, IF WE DO DO THAT AND SAY THEY CAN DO THE BACKSTAIRS, ARE WE SETTING PRECEDENT FOR THE REST OF THE PROMENADE FOR THEM TO JUST BE ABLE TO JUST DO WHAT THEY WANT IN THE BACK AS WELL? IT, A SECONDARY FACADE, IT'S NOT VERY VISIBLE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WE HAD AS MUCH OF AN ISSUE WITH THE BACK.
I'M JUST SAYING IT WAS, IT WAS CLEANER BECAUSE IT DIDN'T HAVE THE BIGGEST, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED AT THE END IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE.
WELL, THEY ENDED UP DOING ALL THAT CRAZY STUFF HAPPENED, BUT THAT WAS, THEY, THEY DID SOMETHING AFTER THAT WASN'T APPROVED.
THEY BUILT SOMETHING THAT WASN'T APPROVED TO BEGIN WITH HBC AND THEY JUST, WILLY NILLY DID SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND THEY HAD TO GO BACK TO HP.
THEY HAVE TO GO BACK TO WHAT THEY HAD APPROVED.
SO I GUESS I'M JUST THINKING, I MEAN, I MEAN, I'LL JUST BE FROM ME, IT'S GETTING A LITTLE, UH, COMPLICATED.
MAYBE IT'S JUST BECAUSE IT'S LATER.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M EXACTLY A FOLLOWING.
I MEAN, TO ME, I, I DON'T THINK I COULD, UH, APPROVE THE BACK WITH ALL OF THESE, UH, POTENTIAL CHANGES WITH THE FRONT.
I MEAN, TO ME, I DIDN'T, UH, HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE BACK SE I MEAN, MY, MY BIGGEST, UH, CONCERN ON ALL WITH ALL OF THIS WAS JUST THAT, THAT SECTION OF THIS COVERED WALKWAY THAT WAS RIGHT NEXT TO THE, UM, ALL IN AID WAS REALLY BIG CON UH, CERN.
I MEAN, I, THE REST I, YOU KNOW, AND THE BACK IS LESS PROBLEMATIC, BUT IT SHOULD PROBABLY BE DONE WITH THE SAME SLOPED OUT AT THE TOP, AT THE TOP.
AND THEN THAT IT'S, IT'S SIMILAR.
COULD YOU DO THAT AT THE TIME, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT SUCH CLOSENESS TO THE EVE THEY DO IN FACT WILL HELP THEM A LITTLE BIT.
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THE NEXT YOU HAVE A, IT HAS TO BE DECEMBER 8TH, DECEMBER MISSION HAS TO BE, UH, SUBMITTED BY DECEMBER 8TH.UH, SO THE NEXT HPC MEETING IS JANUARY 5TH.
UM, AND BECAUSE OF THE MINOR NATURE OF THIS, AS I, AS I BRIEFLY DISCUSSED WITH THE PREVIOUS APPLICANTS, I COULD POSSIBLY ALLOW FOR ONE ADDITIONAL WEEK IN THERE, BUT, UM, IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT MY STAFF REPORT AND EVERYTHING CAN BE PUBLISHED, UM, IT COULD NOT BE ANY FURTHER THAN THAT.
UM, AND I CAN DISCUSS, UH, FIRM DEADLINE WITH YOU, THE FULL APPLICATION, THE WHOLE THING.
I'M GOING TO JUST SAVE THIS IN HERE.
SO APPLICANT TO THE TABLE BY MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS SUBMITTAL.
I HAVE A SECOND ON THAT SECOND SESSION APPLICANT OR FIRM FOR CLEAR.
AND AGAIN, IF YOU COULD SUBMIT IT TO US, THAT HAS BETTER VISUAL.
DID WE, I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN, DID WE VOTE? DID WE HAVE ALL IN FAVOR? WE DIDN'T VOTE.
SOMEBODY WATCHING MY BACK AND LET'S SEE.
WE HAD NO DISCUSSION, SO THEREFORE I HAVE TO HAVE A VOTE, UH, ALL IN FAVOR.
ANY OPPOSED MOTION PASSES AND THANK YOU, KATIE.
NOW YOU CAN CONTINUE THAT BRIEFLY BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SIDE.
GET UP BEFORE THE DISCUSSION HAPPENS.
IT'S GOOD TO, IT'S GOOD FOR KATIE TO KEEP BEING NICE.
AND I WILL REACH OUT WITH YOU.
UM, THE OFFICIAL SUBMITTAL DEADLINE IS THE EIGHTH, UM, HOWEVER, ALLOWED TILL THE 15TH, IF WHICH IS THE FOLLOWING WEDNESDAY TO GET ON THAT AGENDA STUFF.
THE FRONT COLUMN MATCHES THE REST OF IT LIKE A FIRE ESCAPE.
I'M NOT SURE IT HAS TO BE THERE.
UH, KATIE, WE HAVE ANOTHER THING.
WE HAVE TWO EXTRA ITEMS OR ITEMS THAT ARE, AND UH, THE FIRST ONE IS THE ADOPTION OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES OR DATES, EXCUSE ME, DATES.
UM, FOR 2022, ELAINE, I WANT YOU TO MAKE SURE YOU KEEP THESE NEAR AND DEAR TO YOUR HEART.
AND WHENEVER YOU SEE A MEETING COMING UP ON FACEBOOK, I'M MISSING, MISSING, I'M MISSING IT.
SO, UH, KATIE, GO AHEAD WITH, UH, UM, WE HAVE LOOKED AT THE DATES THAT ARE ON THE, THE INFORMATION IN FRONT OF YOU AND CONFIRMED THAT THEY DO NOT CONFLICT WITH ANY HOLIDAYS OR OTHER MEETINGS THAT THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON IS HOSTING.
SO IF THEY'RE ACCEPTABLE TO YOU, WE JUST NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THEM.
I'LL PULL IT UP ON THE SCREEN.
I'LL JUST TAKE A PICTURE OF IT.
I WILL BE SENDING IT OUT IF IT'S APPROVED.
SO IT'S STILL THE FIRST WEDNESDAY OF EVERY MONTH.
AND THE SUBMITTAL DATES ARE THE TYPICALLY THAT SAME DAY AS THE PREVIOUS MEETING.
BUT, UM, SO THIS IS GOOD BECAUSE IT HAS THE APPLICATION SUBMISSION DEADLINES, AND THEN IT HAS THE DATES AND IT LOOKS LIKE OUR NEXT MEETING HBC WILL BE JANUARY 5TH, 2022.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE MEETING DATES AS PRESENTED THE MOTION, ANY DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR.
ANY OPPOSED? NO OPPOSED MOTION PASSES.
AND THEN AS THE HPRC IS A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE FULL SEVEN MEMBER COMMISSION, UM, THE HBC IS IN CHARGE OF AUTHORIZING THOSE DATES AS WELL.
WE MEET EVERY MONDAY AT 4:00 PM AND THAT IS STILL THE CASE.
UM, WE DO ADJUST THOSE MEETINGS DUE TO HOLIDAYS WHEN NECESSARY, UM, OR
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WE BUMP AGENDA ITEMS AROUND IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ALL FIT OR SOMETIMES WE DON'T HAVE THEM ALL THE TIME BECAUSE WE HAVE ANY AGENDA ITEMS. RIGHT.SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY, BUT IT'S TYPICALLY SET FOR THAT DATE.
AND SO THOSE ARE ALSO INCLUDED OR THE PAGE THAT SAYS ESSENTIALLY WHAT I JUST SAID OUT LOUD TO YOU IS ALSO INCLUDED IN THERE.
I NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVED THE DATES AS PRESENTED FOR HPRC.
ANY OPPOSED? SO THE HPRC OR APPROVED.
UM, UM, THE ONLY DISCUSSION I HAVE IS THAT THE SQUIRE POPE CARRIAGE HOUSE, UM, STABILIZATION PLAN HAS BEEN FINALIZED.
UM, THIS IS TO THE PRESERVATION PLAN.
SO THERE'S, NO, THIS IS JUST DISCUSSION BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED THE PRESERVATION PLAN.
UM, AND COUNCIL APPROVED IT BASED ON YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND THIS MEETS THAT STANDARD.
SO IT'S, THERE'S NOTHING, THERE'S NOTHING BEING REVIEWED BECAUSE NOTHING IS AWAY FROM WHAT IT IS.
WE JUST ACTUALLY HAVE THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, UM, TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH STABILIZING THESE SQUARE POST TOUTS.
SO THAT'S PRETTY EXCITING NEWS.
UM, AND SO THE MAIN THINGS TO JUST TAKE NOTE OF IS THAT THERE IS, I BELIEVE ONE CHIMNEY THAT'S GOING AWAY, BUT, UM, THAT CHIMNEY IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ALL LOOKED AT AND KNEW THAT IT WAS GOING AWAY.
IT IS NEARLY ENTIRELY SEPARATED FROM THE STRUCTURE AT THIS TIME AND IS NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.
SO, UM, I JUST WANTED YOU GUYS TO SEE THAT, HEY, WE ARE STILL PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS HOUSE.
WE'RE NOT JUST FORGETTING THAT IT IS THERE BEHIND THE FENCING.
WHAT'S THE TIMELINE FOR THIS? I DO NOT HAVE THE FORMALIZED TIMELINE BECAUSE WE DO NOT YET HAVE THE, UM, IT OUT FORBID.
SO WE WERE STILL WORKING ON GETTING THE BIDS FOR IT, BUT THESE ARE THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS FOR THE, FOR WHAT WILL HAPPEN.
THE CONTRACTOR IS STILL UNKNOWN.
SO THERE WILL BE A BIT OPPORTUNITY ON THE WEBSITE FOR THOSE OF YOU LISTENING AT HOME.
I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT WILL GO OUT.
A WONDERFUL TOWN QUESTION WERE THOSE COLUMNS SPACED WIDER THAN THEY ARE TALL.
SO THAT PORTION, IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE PRESERVATION PLAN, THAT PORTION OF IT IS THE WRAPAROUND PORCH THAT WAS ADDED AT A DIFFERENT DATE THAN THE MOST OF THE PORCH.
SO THERE'S LIKE, THERE'S A BAY WINDOW IN THAT PORCH END.
THAT WAS NOT IN A PORCH AT ONE TIME AND IT'S HILARIOUSLY DIFFERENT SLOPED AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO I'M SURPRISED THEY KEPT THAT.
I WOULD HAVE NOT, I WOULD HAVE TAKEN THAT PART OFF.
I MAY STILL MIGHT LATER, BUT FOR RIGHT NOW THE, TO STABILIZE IT, THAT'S NOT PART OF THE PLAN.
I MET THEM, SHE'S IN ROTARY WITH ME AND SHE LIVED IN HIS HOUSE.
I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO STABILIZE IT IN PLACE.
ARE THEY GOING TO LIFT IT AND THEN BUILD UNDERNEATH? YEAH, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE KEEPING IT FAIRLY IN PLACE.
THEY DO HAVE TO RAISE IT A LITTLE BIT IN ORDER TO ACTUALLY GET THE, THE, UM, CURBING UNDERNEATH IT.
BUT, UM, CAUSE THERE'S, IF THERE IS A FOUNDATION, WE HAVE NOT FOUND ANY PROOF OF IT.
SO I THINK THE TERMITES GOT IT A LONG TIME AGO.
THAT IS LIKELY, UM, THE LAST THING IS JUST, WELL, MISS YOUR LANE.
UM, IT'S BEEN GREAT HAVING YOU ON THE COMMISSION AND ON THE HPRC WILL THANK YOU SO MUCH AND GOOD LUCK.
UM, I, WE WILL BE POSTING THE VACANCY FOR THE COMMISSION ON THE TOWN WEBSITE IF IT'S NOT BEEN DONE ALREADY.
UM, SO THAT WE CAN START TO TRY AND FILL THE BIG SHOES THAT YOU WERE LEAVING, BUT THEY ARE BIG SHOES.
DO WE HAVE JUST THE ONE MAN, ONE JUST THE ONE, ONE TO REPLACE ME? NO, JUST THE ONE I'M JUST TELLING YOU GUYS YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO MOVE AS MUCH.
SO THAT MEANS THAT WE HAVE ONE MORE ITEM ON OUR AGENDA AND UH, I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION ON THE LAST ITEM.
THAT'S TO ADJOURN WHO WANTS TO MAKE THAT? I AM MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING AND I NEED A SECOND, SECOND ALL IN FAVOR.
ANYONE OPPOSED? THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH.