Nov 17, 2021 Town of Bluffton Planning Commission

WE WILL NOT HAVE ANY ADOPTION THE MINUTES BECAUSE THEY WILL BE NEXT MONTH.

UM, ARE THERE ANY, WELL, I GUESS I NEED TO PUBLIC COMMENTS, EVERY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO IS RECOGNIZED TO SPEAK, SHE'LL ADDRESS THE CHAIRMAN.

AND IN SPEAKING, AVOID DISRESPECT TO THE BOARD TOWN STAFF AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE MEETING, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

AND SPEAKING FOR THE RECORD COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.

DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT THAT IS HERE? NOPE.

AMENDMENT, IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I NEED TO MAKE, HAVE A MOTION TO ENTER INTO PUBLIC HEARING.

WELL, WE'LL WAIT UNTIL THEN.

UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS, SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS.

UM, THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE

[VII.1. Unified Development Ordinance Amendments (Public Hearing) – Amendments to the Town of Bluffton's Code of Ordinances, Chapter 23 - Unified Development Ordinance, Article 5 – Design Standards, Sec. 5.13 (Signs); Sec. 5.15.6.Q. (Old Town Bluffton Historic District, Signs); and, Article 9 - Definitions, Sec. 9.2 (Defined Terms for Certain Related Definitions Related to Signage). (Staff - Kevin Icard)]

SO MOVED SECOND, SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR.

UM, DEALING WITH, UH, EXTERNAL LIGHTING.

UM, I GUESS WE DON'T THAT FIRST CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT THAT CAN CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, THIRD AND FINAL CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON SO WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING KEVIN.

HEY, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DENMARK.

UH, SO WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING FOR, UM, SOME UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, UH, EDITS, UH, RELATED TO SIGNS.

UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE ACTUALLY JUST CAME THROUGH A COUPLE A COUPLE MONTHS AGO AND DID SOME, UH, CHANGES TO THE SIGNS, BUT, UH, WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS THAT WE INADVERTENTLY, UM, UH, TOOK OFF OF THE, UH, THE PREVIOUS CODE, UM, AND FOUND OUT THAT WE HAD PROBLEMS WITH THAT AND THEN ARE BRINGING IT BACK TO YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN GET THIS TAKEN CARE OF.

SO, UM, THIS IS MORE HIGH LEVEL.

UM, SO I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH, UH, ANY SPECIFIC COMMENTS YOU ABOUT ANY OF THESE, BUT, UH, AND JUST PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

SO THE FIRST ONE, UM, SO SECTION FIVE 13, THIS IS DEALING WITH SIGNAGE OUTSIDE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IT'S REGULATED BY THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.

SO, UM, SIGNAGE THAT'S IN A PUD IS REGULATED SEPARATELY.

SO JUST TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS YOU'RE REVIEWING THIS.

SO THE FIRST ONE WAS, UM, DEALING WITH SUSPENDED SIGNS IS TO CLARIFY THE EXEMPT, UH, SUSPENDED SIGNS THAT ARE SMALLER.

UH, THESE ARE SIGNS THAT ARE, UM, IF YOU HAVE A WALKWAY AND, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A, LIKE A COLONNADE AND THESE ARE THE SIGNS THAT ARE PERPENDICULAR TO THE, TO THE DOORWAY, UH, MEANT TO BE VERY SMALL, JUST, UH, IDENTIFIABLE SIGNS, AS OPPOSED TO THE SUSPENDED SIGNS THAT ARE MORE FOR THE ADVERTISING PURPOSES ALONG THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.

UM, SO WE, UM, WE JUST CLARIFIED THAT, UH, CLARIFIED, UH, DEALING WITH THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, ANY OF THESE TYPES OF SIGNS, THAT THERE WAS CLEARANCE OF EIGHT FEET.

UH, SO THAT WAY NO ONE WOULD HIT THEIR HEAD ON IT.

UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE VARIOUS CHANGES TO THE PERMANENT BUILDING SIGNS, WHICH IS ADDING THAT SUSPENDED SIGNS TO THE BUILDING TYPES, UH, REMOVING SOME OF THE DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS, UH, FOR MORE FLEXIBILITY AND THEN CLARIFYING HOW A CANOPY SIGNAGE CAN BE PLACED BELOW THE CANOPY AND SOME MINOR FORMATTING, UH, ADDITIONAL TO THAT.

UH, WE'RE ADDING NON DIGITAL, ELECTRONIC SCROLLING SIGNS, AND THIS IS, UH, MAINLY FOR, FOR THE FUEL STATIONS, UM, THAT WAY, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE HAVE IS LIKE YOU HAVE TO MANUALLY, WE HAVE DESIGNED TO WHERE YOU HAVE TO MANUALLY GO OUT AND CHANGE EACH AND EVERY LETTER, UH, WHAT THIS DOES IS IT ALLOWS FOR SIGN OR EXCUSE ME, GAS, UM, COMPANIES TO BE ABLE TO, UH, ELECTRONICALLY CHANGE THE SIGN.

AND SO LITERALLY IT'S A LITTLE SCROLL IN THERE THAT WILL ROTATE AROUND THE NUMBERS AND THEY JUST ROTATE THE NUMBERS AROUND.

SO IT'S NOT AN ELECTRIC SIGN AND THE ESSENCE OF LIKE AN LED LIGHTING, BUT IT'S ELECTRONIC, IT'S ELECTRONIC IN THE SENSE OF THAT, IT'S A MECHANICAL MOVEMENT OF THE LETTERS OR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

UM, WE'RE DEALING WITH, UM, JUST,

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SO IS THE AMENDMENT TO RE UH, RETURNS THE ABILITY TO HAVE THE REVERSE CHANNEL OR THE HALO LIGHTING, UH, TYPES OF SIGNAGE.

UM, THAT'S NOT INTERNALLY LIT, UH, BUT RATHER THE REVERSE CHANNEL, UH, OTHER ITEMS, UM, IS DEALING WITH THE AMENDMENT TO RETURN TO THE ABILITY OF THE ETO ADMINISTRATOR TO APPROVE OTHER SIGN TYPES, NOT SPECIFICALLY PROVIDED THAT DO NOT EXCEED FIVE SQUARE FEET.

UH, FIVE SQUARE FEET IS NOT A LOT IT'S ABOUT THIS BIG.

SO, UH, THE CHANGEABLE COPY, UH, WHICH IS THE ALLOW FOR THAT MANUAL CHANGEABLE COPY COPY, UH, IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THEN THE SUSPENDED SIGNS AS WELL.

UH, AGAIN, UM, THE SUSPENDED SIGNS FOR, UM, OR THE, UH, BUILDING, UH, SIGN TYPES, UH, THE DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT INSTEAD OF HAVING IT SPECIFICALLY SAY A THREE BY TWO SIGN, IT, IT WOULD JUST SAY 15 SQUARE FEET.

IT GIVES THE FLEXIBILITY FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO, UM, CHANGE THE DESIGN OF THE SIGN.

AND THEN FOR THE CANOPIES, UM, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS IN THE, UH, LIKE, UH, FOR A GAS CANOPY.

UM, AND THIS IS WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT, UH, THE ALLOTTED SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT YOU HAVE FOR YOUR WALL SIGNAGE, YOU CAN USE UP TO 30% OF THAT TOWARDS A CANOPY SIGN.

AND WE ACTUALLY, UH, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A, A, A CANOPY RIGHT NOW, UM, THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED FOR A SIGNED PERMIT THAT WE, UNFORTUNATELY, WE CAN'T APPROVE THE SIGNED PERMIT BECAUSE WE INADVERTENTLY CHANGED THE DOCUMENTS.

AND NOW WE'RE COMING BACK TO YOU.

SO, UM, SOME OF THE REVISED DEFINITIONS DEALING WITH THE PROJECTING SIGNS, UM, FROM THE CURRENT DEFINITION TO, UM, WHAT YOU SEE HERE, UH, THE REVIEW CRITERIA, UH, IT MEETS ALL OF THESE RECORDS, RE REVIEW CRITERIA.

I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THEM.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, UH, THIS EVENING, YOUR ACTION IS TO RECOMMEND THE APPROVAL RECOMMEND WITH ANY AMENDMENTS OR TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THAT.

UM, FROM A STEP PROCESS, THE FIRST STEP HERE, UH, THIS WILL GO TO TOWN COUNCIL AT THEIR DECEMBER MEETING, AND THEN FOR A FINAL IN JANUARY, UH, PROPOSED MOTION HERE FOR YOU.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

YEAH, KEVIN.

UM, JUST QUESTION AGAIN, NEW GRADE QUESTION.

IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE CAUGHT WHEN YOU DID THIS? I MEAN, W YOU SAID THE INADVERTENT CHANGES, LIKE WE, WE MADE SOME CHANGES AND WE OMITTED SOME THINGS, HOW WAS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE, HAVE BEEN CAUGHT? UM, SO SOMETIMES, UH, I MEAN, JUST WHEN YOU'RE DOING THE TEXTS AND YOU HAVE SITUATIONS THAT COME UP, THEN YOU DON'T EVEN REALIZE IT UNTIL AFTER THE FACT THAT WHAT WE DID WAS WE INADVERTENTLY CHANGED THAT CODE THAT NOW HAS TAKEN OUT WHAT WE WERE PREVIOUSLY DOING.

SO IT'S NOT WHAT WE LIKE TO HAVE HAPPENED.

UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE CAUGHT, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE, WE'RE REALIZING OUR MISTAKE.

AND THEN WE'RE BRINGING IT BACK AND IN FRONT OF YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE CAPTURING IT.

SO THESE INDIVIDUALS CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE SIGNS.

NO SUCH THING AS A PERFECT ORDINANCE.

THIS HAPPENS WHEN YOU'RE MAKING CHANGES TO LARGE SECTIONS OF CODE.

YUP.

I'VE GOT A FEW QUESTIONS, UM, ON THE SUSPENDED SIGN, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS.

ONE, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED WHEN IT SAYS NON STREET FACING SIGN, UM, IN THE NEW VERBIAGE.

UM, PART OF THE REASON I SAY THAT, AND, AND YOU'VE THE WAY YOU'VE JUST DESCRIBED THE SUSPENDED SIGN, CAUSES ME EVEN MORE QUESTION OF WHAT I'M REALLY SUPPOSED TO BE CONSIDERING THE SUSPENDED SIGN, THE LIKE MY OFFICE, THERE'S A SIGN.

WELL, PART OF SHANNARA OF OUR OFFICE ACTUALLY FACES THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE AND A PORTION IS SUSPENDED, NOT FACING THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE.

UM, BUT IF IT, IF THE CONFIGURATION OF THE BUILDING HAD BEEN SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, I COULD SEE US HAVING A SUSPENDED SIGN FACING THE STREET, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT A STREET SIGN OF SORTS.

AND SO WHEN I, AND I, BUT IT IS SUSPENDED.

SO WHEN YOU SAY, UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT SUSPENDED SIGN IS AND YOURS, IS IT LIKE INTENDED TO BE, THIS IS THE ENTRANCE, UH, THIS IS THE BACKROOM.

LIKE THESE ARE SMALL NET, LIKE VERY, VERY SMALL SIGNS THAT ARE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS BIG, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, IT'S MORE FOR LIKE, UNDER, LIKE THE WALKWAY AS YOU'RE WALKING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE WALKING UNDER A COLONNADE AND YOU HAVE MULTIPLE BUSINESSES THAT, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF YOU BEING, YOU HAVE TO LIKE WALK OUT AND LOOK TO SEE WHAT THE SIGN.

A, UM, IT IS, THOSE TYPES OF SIGNS ARE MEANT MORE FOR THE PEDESTRIAN AS OPPOSED TO, FOR SOMEONE THAT'S IN A VEHICLE.

AND ARE LIKE TANGER OUTLET UNDERNEATH KIND OF THING WHEN YOU'RE UNDERNEATH THE EXACTLY.

AND IT'S NOT, AND IT'S NOT

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SO THE SUSPENDED SIGNS THAT, THAT REGULATE YOUR, YOUR SIGNAGE, LIKE YOUR WALL SIGNAGE, UH, THAT IS THAT'S PARALLEL WITH THE, WITH THE WALL AND FACES OUT, RIGHT.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S YOUR LARGER SIGNS THAT ARE MEANT FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SEE FROM FURTHER AWAY THESE SMALL SUSPENDED SIGNS THAT WE HAVE ARE VERY SMALL.

UM, I MEAN, THEY MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, THREE, FOUR SQUARE SQUARE FEET, IF THAT, AND MEANT FOR, AS YOU'RE WALKING, WALKING ALONG THE SIDEWALK, YOU THEN HAVE THE ABILITY TO SEE WHAT, WHAT BUSINESS IT IS.

BUT IF YOU WERE IN A CAR, YOU WOULDN'T SEE IT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S PERPENDICULAR.

SO, AND IS SUSPENDED SIGN FURTHER DEFINED IN THE UTO SO THAT IT WOULD EXPLAIN THAT I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH THE NON STREET STATE FACING SIGN, BECAUSE IF IT HAPPENS TO FACE THE STREET, SOMEBODY MIGHT GET CONFUSED AND READING IT.

I JUST WANT YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO CONFUSING LINK.

WELL, THAT, THAT THEN THAT'S A WALL SIGN THAT'S THAT GOES TOWARDS THEIR CLASSIFICATION OF A WALL SIGN.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, IS THE, YOUR COM THE SPECIFIC WORDING ABOUT THE ELECTRONIC SCROLL SIGNAGE? UM, THAT'S A DEFINITION BECAUSE YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY SHOWN US AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THAT IS.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WHEN YOU GO TO LOOK AT WHAT ELECTRONIC SCROLL SIGN IS LIKE, IF I GOOGLE ELECTRICS, ELECTRONIC SCROLL SIGN, THAT'S GOING TO BE THE IMAGE THAT RELIABLY POPS UP, AND THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A SOURCE OF CONFUSION ABOUT WHAT AN ELECTRONIC SCROLL SIGN IS.

THERE'S NO CONFUSION, AND IT'S NOT A DEBATABLE POINT OF THIS COULD BE ANYTHING ELSE CAN BE, IT COULD NEVER BE CONSTRUED AS AN ELECTRONIC SIGN IN ANY WAY.

NO, AND THIS IS, THIS IS A STANDARD STANDARD PRACTICE FOR, FOR, FOR GUESTS SIGNS.

UM, AND JASON, YOU PROBABLY NOT NOD YOUR HEAD AS WELL, WHERE YOU HAVE THE, YOU HAVE MANUALLY CHANGED WHERE YOU LITERALLY HAVE TO GO OUT AND MANUALLY CHANGE EACH AND EVERY ONE, EVERY SINGLE TIME, RIGHT.

YOU HAVE THIS DESIGN WHERE LITERALLY IT'S A SCROLL AND IT'S ALL WOUND UP, AND THEN THERE'S A MOTOR THAT WILL UNWIND IT AND LITERALLY ROTATE THE LETTER OR THE NUMBERS OVER TO BE ABLE TO CHANGE THE CHANGE OF THE NUMBERS.

AND YOU CAN SEE LIKE THIS, THIS IS NOT A, A, IT'S NOT DIGITAL, IT'S NOT A DIGITAL SIGN, UM, WHICH IS NOT ALLOWED.

AND ARE THESE GOING TO BE ALLOWED BOTH IN OLD TOWN AND IN BLUFFTON AT LARGE? YES.

YEP.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHY, REMEMBER, IT'S JUST, WHAT'S REGULATED BY THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.

SO YOU THINK UP ON BLUFFTON PARKWAY, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S IN THE SCHULTZ TRACK, SO THAT HAS DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT SIGN REGULATIONS.

RIGHT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

THERE WAS A COUPLE OF, UM, OF THESE CHANGES WHERE LIKE THE PROJECTING SIGN INCREASED IN SIZE FROM NINE SQUARE FEET, TOTAL TO 15 SQUARE FEET.

AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE, UM, I THINK AGAIN, PROJECTING SIGN, BUT I THINK THIS MAY BE INTO THE OLD TOWN OR IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT INCREASED FROM FIVE SQUARE FEET TO 10 SQUARE FEET AND SIGN AREA MAXIMUM.

CAN YOU POINT OUT WHICH SECTION YOU'RE REFERRING TO PLEASE? UH, POINT 15, THE OLD TOWN.

THERE'S, THERE'S AN YEAH.

FIVE AT THE END, UH, OR BE, YEAH, IT'S PROJECTING SIGN BOTH.

IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE OLD TOWN AREA.

AND THEN MAYBE AT THE LARGER AREA I'M TRYING TO, IT'S THE SAME VERBIAGE.

I BELIEVE ONE IS 15.

THE OTHER COMMENT THAT I HAD WAS REGARDING 5.1 5.6 POINT Q 0.1 IN THE OLD TOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THE HALO LIGHTING, UM, SIGNAGE AND PROVIDE OPTIONS FOR THE UTO ADMINISTRATOR TO REVIEW.

ONE, 5.1, 3.6 POINT B 0.5 IN ROMAN NUMERALS.

AND THEN THE OTHER ONES, THE 5.1 5.6 POINT CUE 0.4 POINT B POINT.

AND THEN IT'S JUST, BOTH OF THEM ARE INCREASED IN, IN SQUARE FOOTAGE.

AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE THOUGHT PROCESS WAS BEHIND INCREASING THOSE SIGNED DISPLAY AREAS.

ARE YOU TRACKING WHERE I'M AT? ARE YOU STILL LOOKING FOR THAT? NO, I SEE WHAT I SEE RIGHT HERE.

I CAN LOOK INTO THAT ONE, UM, AND, AND, AND MAKE SURE BEFORE WE GET IT TO FIRST READING TO TOWN COUNCIL, UM, JUST TO ADDRESS THAT, UM,

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ONE OF THE THINGS, UM, YOU ELIMINATED WAS THAT, UM, THE POINT I, WHICH INCLUDED ELIMINATION OF SIGNS PERMITTED ONLY WITH EXTERNAL LIGHT SOURCES, YADA YADA, WHICH I UNDERSTAND TRYING TO CREATE A PLACE WHERE YOU COULD HAVE HALO LIGHTING.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT DOES IS IT PRECLUDES PEOPLE FROM HAVING THAT, THAT SPECIFIC STATEMENT UNDER THE OLD TOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT UNDER THE PROPOSED CHANGES THAT FIRST ONE LISTED UNDER LIGHTING, WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THE HALO LIGHTING, UM, THE, THAT FIRST.

SO YOU'VE GOT E LIGHTING SHALL COMPLY WITH THE SECTION LISTED BELOW, AND THEN IT GIVES TWO ADDITIONAL POINTS POINT I, AND THEN I, I, THE FIRST ONE BASICALLY ELIMINATES, UM, THAT'S WHAT PART REALLY PRECLUDES THE HALO LIGHTING FROM EXISTING.

CAUSE IT'S SAYING IT HAS TO BE AN EXTERNALLY LIGHTED SOURCE, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT STATEMENT ALSO DOES IS IF IT IS AN ELECTRIC, AN EXTERNALLY LIGHTED SOURCE, IT WOULD MEAN THAT IT HAS TO, UM, THAT IT WOULD ALSO HAVE TO BE SHIELDED TO MINIMIZE GLARE TO THE STREETS, SIDEWALKS IN ADJACENT PROPERTIES, BARE BULB ELIMINATION IS NOT PERMITTED.

SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT THERE SHOULD, I I'M SAYING YOU COULD KEEP A PORTION OF THAT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IF IT IS AN EXTERNALLY LIGHTED SIGN, THAT THE BEAR IS NOT A BARE BULB EXPOSED IN THE EDIT, REDUCE THAT IT'S SET UP IN A WAY WHERE THERE'S NO GLARE, BECAUSE IF YOU ELIMINATE THAT WHOLE STATEMENT, THEN YOU CAN SET, THEN IT WOULD PERMIT YOU TO LIGHT UP A SIGN EXTERNALLY WHERE IT STILL MIGHT IMPACT DRIVERS VISIBILITY.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO PUT THAT AS PART OF THE CONDITION TO MOVE FORWARD AS A RECOMMENDED RECOMMENDATION, AND THEN WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT.

WHAT DOES THAT SECTION FIVE POINT 12 DOES THAT INCLUDE? I, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME.

AND I COULDN'T TELL YOU OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I, SINCE THAT WAS IN GENERAL, WITH THAT COVERED WHAT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT.

AND IT MIGHT, IF IT'S SOMEWHERE ELSE THAN, I DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT BEING, HAVING TO BE ALSO HERE, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE EXTERNAL LIGHTING SOURCES AREN'T IMPACTING TRAFFIC AND PEDESTRIANS.

THE GUTHY ROAD REZONING REQUESTS.

ANYBODY ELSE? QUESTIONS ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I MOTION TO APPROVE THE SIGN ORDINANCE WITH THE CONDITION THAT STAFF REVIEW, THE PROJECTING SIGN, UH, MAXIMUM DISPLAY AREAS AND, UH, REVIEW THE ORDINANCE TO ENSURE THAT EXTERNAL LIGHTING SOURCES DO NOT, UM, OR THAT ARE PREVENTED FROM, UH, CREATING GLARE FOR THE PEDESTRIAN OR VEHICULAR VIEWPOINT.

SECOND, SECOND.

ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

[VII.2. Goethe Road – Rezoning Request (Public Hearing): A request by J.C. Fraser, Jr. for approval of an Amendment to Town of Bluffton Official Zoning Map to rezone two (2) parcels from Residential General (RG) to Neighborhood Core (NC). The subject parcels consist of approximately 1.24 and are identified by Beaufort County Tax Map Numbers R610 039 000 0159 0000, and R610 039 000 0744 0000 located northwest of the intersection of Hilderbrand Road and Goethe Road. (ZONE-09-21-015896) (Staff- Kevin Icard)]

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL.

SO MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO ENTER PUBLIC HEARING? I HAVE A SECOND.

UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WE KNOW OF? THAT'S HERE.

FIRST CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

SECOND CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, THIRD AND FINAL CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

WE ARE NOW CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION.

KEVIN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, UM, SO I JUST SAID WE'RE HERE FOR A REZONING REQUEST TO THE TWO PARCELS THAT ARE OWNED BY MR. JC FRASER JR.

WHO IS IN ATTENDANCE, UH, THIS EVENING, UH, FROM RESIDENTIAL GENERAL TO NEIGHBORHOOD CORE.

UM, THE, THERE ARE TECHNICALLY, THERE ARE FOUR ADDRESSES ON THERE.

DON'T WANT ANYONE TO BE CONFUSED THAT THERE'S FOUR PROPERTIES.

THERE'S JUST FOUR ADDRESSES ON TWO TO TWO PROPERTIES.

SO, UM, SO IT'S THE TWO TAX ID NUMBERS THAT ARE LISTED ON THE SCREEN HERE, AND THIS WOULD BE REGULATED BY THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.

UM, SO IN OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR, UM, MR. FRAZIER, UH, SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION FOR THE REQUEST.

UM, WE HAD A, UM, WE HAD A WORKSHOP, UM, ON NOVEMBER 1ST 10TH, I BELIEVE THAT WAS ON THE FIRST.

THAT WAS ON THE FIRST.

THAT WAS THE ONE THAT WE STAYED LATE FOR IT.

UM, SO, UH, SO THAT WAS THE WORKSHOP THAT WE GOT THROUGH, UM, AND PROVIDED A, A TIMELINE FOR YOU.

I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE.

UH, HOWEVER, IT'S A VERY EXTENSIVE TIMELINE OF MR. FRAZIER OF, UH, HAVING THIS PROPERTY, HIS FATHER, HAVING THE PROPERTY, UH, CONSTRUCTING A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE, A 1500 SQUARE FOOT, UM, OPERATING A RESTAURANT

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AT THAT LOCATION.

UM, PROPERTY WAS, UH, WHEN THE TOWN, UH, ENACTED ZONING, UH, THAT THE PROPERTY WAS THEN ZONED FOR A RESIDENTIAL USE.

UM, AND THEN, UM, HAD ISSUES DEALING WITH, UH, THE STATUS OF THAT, UH, AT ONE POINT, UM, THAT THE TOWN COUNCIL DID APPROVE A RESIGNING REQUEST IN 1993, UM, TO, FOR, UH, FOR THE PROPERTIES TO BE ZONED A MIXED USE TWO, WHICH IS AT THE TIME THAT WAS THE ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS THAT WERE RE, UH, AND THEN IN, UH, 2001, 2002, THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON REZONE THE PROPERTY TO GENERAL RESIDENTIAL ALONG WITH, UM, NUMEROUS PROPERTIES THAT WERE PART OF THE ANNEXATION OF THE GUTHY SCHULTZ ROAD ROAD.

UM, AND THEN, UH, AT THIS POINT, UH, TOWN TO DETERMINE THAT THE OWNER HAD VESTED RIGHTS, UH, AT THAT TIME TO CONTINUE.

UM, HOWEVER HE'D LOST THOSE VESTED RIGHTS FOR NOT OPENING, UH, THE RESTAURANT, UH, AGAIN IN 2016, UH, WHERE WE STATED THAT HE HAD LOST THOSE VESTED RIGHTS.

UM, AND THEN, UH, BACK IN SEPTEMBER, WE WENT MET WITH MR. FRAZIER ONSITE FOR OUR PRE-APPLICATION MEETING.

UH, HE SUBMITTED HIS APPLICATION THE NEXT DAY, AND THEN WE HELD OUR, UH, WORKSHOP ON THE FIRST, UH, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THAT ALL OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, WITHIN 250 FEET WERE NOTICED, UM, WE PLACED AN AD IN THE ISLAND PACKET ON OCTOBER 17TH, AND THAT THERE'S BEEN A SIGN, A REZONING SIGN INSTALLED IN FRONT OF, UH, MR. FRASER'S PROPERTIES.

UH, SINCE THAT TIME, UM, I DID HAVE A PHONE CALL, UM, WITH MR. SERRANO.

HE IS, UM, THE PROPERTY OWNER RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO MR. FRAZIER.

UH, AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON HERE, UH, THE SAVINGS THAT I RECEIVED, HE HAD NO OBJECTIONS TO THE REQUEST, ANY WISH MR. FRASER, ALL THE BEST OF LUCK WITH THE REZONING.

UM, WE DO HAVE, UH, NUMEROUS REVIEW CRITERIA.

HOPEFULLY HAD EVERYONE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO READ THROUGH THOSE, UH, JUSTIFYING, UM, THIS AMENDMENT.

UM, I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH ANY ONE OF THEM IF YOU LIKE.

UM, BUT FROM MY STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE THAT THEY WERE ALL FAVORABLE.

UM, FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT THIS EVENING, WE ARE HERE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE RECOMMENDATION TO TOWN COUNCIL.

AND, UH, NEXT STEP IS THAT THIS WOULD GO IN FRONT OF TOWN COUNCIL AT THEIR DECEMBER 14TH MEETING, UH, WITH ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING AND FINAL READING IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, OR EXCUSE ME OF NEXT YEAR.

UH, SO THIS EVENING, YOUR ACTIONS ARE TO, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION, RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH AMENDMENTS OR TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE APPLICATION.

UH, MR. FRAZIER IS HERE IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, UH, HE CAN ANSWER THEM AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AS WELL.

THANK YOU, MR. FRAZIER, DID YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING OR JUST WAIT FOR QUESTIONS? OKAY.

YOU WANT TO WAIT, UM, ONE QUESTION OR TO START WITH AT LEAST, UM, ON YOUR, ON THE, UH, AGENDA, IT SAYS TO REZONE TWO PARCELS FROM RESIDENTIAL GENERAL TO NEIGHBORHOOD COURT, I THOUGHT IT WAS ONE PART IT'S TWO IT'S, TWO PARCELS.

UH, YOU MIGHT'VE SEEN ONE OR TWO, UM, UH, IMAGES THAT ARE PROVIDED WHERE I JUST KINDA LIKE BLOCKED OUT.

UM, UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE, I JUST, I HAD THESE, UH, JUST KIND OF SITTING IN THE BACKGROUND IN CASE YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS.

HERE'S ONE EXAMPLE WHERE, UM, THE, THE RED LINE IS JUST ME HIGHLIGHTING THE TWO PROPERTIES.

THERE'S TWO PARCELS RIGHT THERE.

AGAIN, THIS ONE I HAD NO, UM, PARCEL LINES SHOWN ON HERE.

SO I JUST DID IT AS A ONE, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU THE CONTEXT WHERE IT'S LOCATED, BUT, UH, IN THE, AGAIN, AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF IT IN THE REPORT, TWO TAX ID NUMBERS.

SO THOSE ARE THE TWO PARCELS.

IT'S EASIER TO ALWAYS REFERENCE THE TAX ID NUMBER AS OPPOSED TO AN ADDRESS BECAUSE ADDRESSES ALWAYS CHANGE.

UM, AND CURRENTLY ON THIS PROPERTY, IT'S, IT'S THIS COMMERCIAL BUILDING.

AND THEN THERE ARE SEVERAL RESIDENCES IN THE BACK.

IS THAT CORRECT? UH, ONE FOR SURE.

UM, YOU JUST, THERE'S TWO IN THE BACK, TWO MOBILE IN THE BACK, AND THEN, UM, THE, THE, UH, PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT TO IT, WHICH IS MR. FRAZIER AS WELL.

AND THAT IS THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT'S ON THERE.

AND, UM, ARE THEY GOING TO BE ABLE TO MEET FOR THIS SPECIFIC USE, THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS WITHOUT HAVING, WITHOUT IMPEDING THE DRIVEWAY? OR IS THERE ANYTHING THAT, SO THAT WILL BE, THAT'LL BE REVIEWED AT, UM, DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, PROCESS, UM, JUST FROM AN INITIAL, YOU KNOW, ME GOING OUT THERE TAKING, LOOKING AT, YES, HE'LL BE ABLE TO, FROM A CIRCULATION STANDPOINT, HE'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE PARKING ALONG THE SIDE, POTENTIALLY AROUND THE REAR.

AND THEN AS IT COMES AROUND, THE BUILDING, PROVIDE ADDITIONAL PARKING ON THE SIDE AND THEN EXIT OUT ALMOST LIKE A HORSESHOE

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AROUND THE BUILDING.

ALSO, THIS IS NOT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, SO IT DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME PARKING REGULATIONS AS RESTAURANTS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

SO HE ONLY HAS TO MEET FOUR SPACES PER THOUSAND.

SO TECHNICALLY HE ONLY NEEDS TO HAVE SIX PARKING SPACES OUT THERE.

SO W I MEAN, I LOOKED INTO THAT JUST KIND OF LIKE EYEBALLING IT AND THAT THERE IS THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE FOR IT TO WORK.

UM, JUST GIVEN THE LOCATION OF THIS, AND IF THIS BECOMES AS POPULAR AS IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE.

I THINK THAT I COULD SEE PARKING AND, OR IN AN AREA WHERE WE'VE ALREADY GOT SOME PARKING ISSUES GOING ON NOW, OBVIOUSLY THE MELLENCAMP IMPROVEMENTS HELP A LOT, BUT IT'S THEN BANKING ON.

AND ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM A, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT AND THIS, THIS IS, I JUST PULLED AN, UH, 20, 21 ARIEL, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS ADDITIONAL OVERFLOW PARKING ALL ALONG, UM, GUTHY ROAD, UH, LITERALLY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.

SO EVEN IF, UM, SOMEONE, EVEN IF ALL THE PARKING SPACES WERE FULL, THERE'S STILL AMPLE PARKING, UH, PUBLIC PARKING THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY CREATED FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE BUSINESSES TO BE ABLE TO USE.

AND I, I MEAN, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE, HIS INTENTION IS TO CONTINUE THIS AS A RESTAURANT.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS BEEN MY HANGUP FOR THIS, AND I HONESTLY, I'M VERY SYMPATHETIC AND I ACTUALLY WANT TO SEE THIS, UM, HAPPEN.

AND I CAN SEE, I THINK YOU MENTIONED IN THE LAST MEETING THAT THIS IS, UH, SINCE THIS IS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING THAT HAS BEEN UTILIZED IN THIS CAPACITY BEFORE IT 10, IT LENDS ITSELF TO BEING KIND OF AN EXCEPTION TO THE RULE, UM, AS FAR AS THE SPOT ZONING AND, AND I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THAT, ONE OF THE THINGS I APPRECIATE BY THE WAY THAT YOU REACHED OUT, IT WAS MR. SERRANO.

UM, AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU REACHED OUT TO HIM AND THAT GOT HIS BLESSING.

IS HE THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH, TO THE NORTH, TO THE NORTH? OKAY.

I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH.

IS, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S NOTHING ON IT, BUT IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT SAME ZONING OR THEY'D HAVE TO COME IN? AND, UM, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THIS AND THAT, THAT PROPERTY HAS ITS OWN HISTORY AS WELL.

UH, THAT IS IT'S, IT'S A VACANT LOT RIGHT NOW.

IT'S WOODED, UH, THAT PROPERTY HAD THE SAME MIXED USE ZONING, UM, WHEN MR. FRAZIER CAME THROUGH.

SO THERE THAT PROPERTY HAD PREVIOUSLY RECEIVED A MIXED USE ZONING HAD A COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION HAS SINCE BEEN AT THE SAME TIME, HAD THAT REZONING TO THAT RESIDENTIAL GENERAL.

UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, MR. FRAZIER HAS TALKED TO THE, THE SONS, SONS OR DAUGHTER.

UM, AND AT THIS POINT THEY DIDN'T, THEY DID NOT WANT TO BE A PART OF IT MAINLY FOR TAX PURPOSES.

THEY DIDN'T WANT THEIR PROPERTY VALUES TO THEN, UH, GO UP BECAUSE THEY THEN HAD THAT COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION, UH, IN THE FUTURE, IF THEY SO CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A REZONING, UH, WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK HERE IN FRONT OF YOU UP PRETTY MUCH PROVIDE THE SAME TIMELINE AND, AND, AND A, A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION.

UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT, THAT 2006 ARIEL, AND THEN JUST DEALING WITH COMP PLAN ISSUES THAT YOU CAN SEE THE AMOUNT OF GROWTH THAT HAS, HAS, UH, HAPPENED, UM, IN THE 15, 15 YEARS SINCE THIS AREA WAS TAKEN.

SO, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE TO BE CLEAR EVERY SO THAT WE DON'T SET A PRECEDENT TO THE WEST IS ALL RESIDENTIAL.

AND IT SHOULDN'T, I MEAN, WE WOULDN'T THINK THAT ANYONE'S GOING TO CHANGE THAT COMMERCIAL BECAUSE WE HAVE HISTORY ON THESE SPECIFIC LOTS.

THEY'RE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SITUATION THAN ANY OF THE OTHER PARCELS ARE.

UM, SO JUST SO IN CASE IF THE GUY TO THE NORTH WANTED TO DO THIS, WE COULD POSSIBLY SAY NO, BECAUSE IT'S JUST RESIDENTIAL AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN RESIDENTIAL.

WHERE'S THE PEOPLE TO THE SOUTH HAVE HAD A COMMERCIAL THEY'VE HAD THIS IN AND OUT SITUATION.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR.

RIGHT NEXT TO ALL THESE RESIDENTIAL BEHIND IT.

UM, ONE OF THE, UH, WELL, I LIKE, I, LIKE I SAID, I KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY WANT TO TURN THIS INTO A FAMILY RESTAURANT.

UM, THERE ARE A FEW USES ON HERE THAT COME WITH NEIGHBORHOOD CORE THAT SHOULD THEY DECIDE HYPOTHETICALLY THEY'RE LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THE RESIDENTIAL, OR WE DECIDE THEY WANT TO SELL IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE.

I MEAN, CARWASH, WELL, CONDITIONAL IS STILL ON THERE.

UM, AN IN IS ON THERE A SOCIAL CLUB, A SOCIAL CENTER.

AND SO THESE ARE IN BEING LOCATED RIGHT NEXT TO THESE OTHER ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL AROUND.

I'M ACTUALLY GOOD TO HEAR.

IT'S GOOD TO HEAR THAT PROPERTY, THE SOUTH IS VACANT BECAUSE, UM, AT LEAST THERE ONE LESS OWNER OCCUPIED SPACE THAT'S IMPACTED BY CHANGES ON THIS PROPERTY OTHER THAN THEIR, I MEAN, THEIR REAL PROPERTY VALUE IS IMPACTED BY THESE CHANGES.

UM, BUT SOME OF THESE CONTRACTORS OFFICE, YOU KNOW, PLAY, UH, OFFICE MANUFACTURER, STOREFRONT, MANUFACTURING, STOREHOUSE, THESE ARE HIGHER INTENSITY USES

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AND EVEN IF MR. SERRANO TO THE NORTH HAS GIVEN HIS BLESSING, IT STILL MAKES ME NERVOUS, UM, FOR THOSE OTHER ADJACENT PROPERTIES.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE BEEN, I MEAN, I ASSUME THEY WERE NOTIFIED OF THIS REZONING THEY'VE RECEIVED LETTERS, SO THEY COULD HAVE AT THIS POINT, LOOKED IT UP AND PROVIDE A COMMENT IF THEY WANTED.

ABSOLUTELY.

AND NO, AND NO COMMENT HAS BEEN RECEIVED FROM THEM.

THE OTHER COMMENTS BESIDE MR. SERRANO.

TO HAVE A, A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS DATE AT THIS TIME.

SO, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU REFER TO THE, THE INTENSITY LEVEL, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO, UM, REALIZE THAT THE PROPERTIES HAVE ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED OUT THERE.

SO, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THESE SMALLER LOTS, UH, AND IN ORDER FOR, UH, FOR DEVELOPMENT TO HAPPEN, THEY HAVE MANY, MANY REGULATIONS THAT HAVE TO BE MET, UH, DEALING WITH STORMWATER PARKING REQUIREMENTS, BUFFER REQUIREMENTS.

SO ALL OF THESE FACTORS PLAY IN, AS YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE DESIGNING, YOU'RE DESIGNING THE SITE TO A POINT WHERE YOU CAN ONLY HAVE SO MUCH BUILDING ON THAT SITE.

AND IT DEPENDS ON THE USE ITSELF TO WORK.

IS IT EVEN GOING TO BE PROFITABLE FOR THEM TO BE THERE? SO A LOT OF PLACES ARE A LOT OF BUSINESSES, MOST LIKELY NOT EVEN GOING TO, TO LOOK AT SMALLER PIECES, SOME OF THE SMALLER LOTS, BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT, IT'S NOT ECONOMICAL FOR THEM TO EVEN DEVELOP A SITE.

HE'S SITTING ON AN, OVER AN ACRE.

I MEAN, THAT'S STILL, THAT'S A LOT OF SPACE TO STILL BE ABLE TO TUCK IN.

I MEAN, I MEAN, PROMENADE, BUT THOSE COMMERCIAL SPACES ARE, THOSE ARE FITTING ON SOME SMALL AREAS THAT ARE ALSO A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SITUATION AND WOULD NOT, DO YOU NOT MEAN THEY THOSE SAME, UM, REGULATIONS AND THE PROMENADE WOULD NOT LOOK LIKE THE PROMENADE? IF IT WAS TO BE DESIGNED TODAY, YOU'RE STILL SITTING ON OVER AN ACRE THAT LEAVES YOU A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY, EVEN WITHIN CO INCLUDING STORM WATER AND PARKING REQUIREMENTS, WHICH ARE NOT AS INTENSE AS BEING IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

I IT'S, IT'S JUST, IF I'M ONE OF THOSE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS, IT WOULD CAUSE ME, UM, SOME DISCOMFORT WITH SOME OF THE OPTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE.

AND LIKE I SAID, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS HIS ONLY OPTION TO BE ABLE TO GET THIS SPACE.

IT'S JUST THERE'S IF IT WAS, IT'S JUST THAT THIS PARTICULAR ZONING OPENS UP A CAN OF WORMS, WHICH IS WHY I WAS SO HOPEFUL THAT MAYBE THERE'S A PROCESS FOR HIM TO BE ABLE TO GO BACK AND OFF, LIKE, APPLY FOR A VARIANCE OF SOME KIND.

AND MR. UM, BUT THIS IS, IT'S JUST LIKE A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE.

I JUST THINK THAT WE'LL GET BACK TO THAT MAP.

JUST KIND OF SEE LOT LAYOUT SO WE CAN KIND OF COMPARE THE SIZE OF HIS LOT TO SOMETHING ELSE CLOSE BY.

WELL, YOU'RE GOING THERE.

IF I COULD, UM, YOU KNOW, KATHLEEN, I, I USED TO HAVE THOSE SAME CONCERNS.

I REALLY RESTED IN THE FACT THAT HOW, AND MATTER OF FACT, YEARS AGO, WE DIDN'T REQUIRE STAFF TO NOTIFY FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON.

I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME USES HERE THAT IF, YOU KNOW, NEXT DO SOMETHING WITH IT, POTENTIALLY, HOWEVER, THE PEOPLE MOST IMPACTED BY IT HAVE NOT HAD ANY COMMENTS AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE I KIND OF CAMP WHAT'S GOING FUNCTION WITH THE HISTORIC USE OF THIS PROPERTY.

BUT THAT'S JUST WHERE I SIT.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT HELPS ANY OR NOT.

I USED TO DO A LOT OF, WELL, WHAT IF, AND THIS CAN BE PUT HERE AND THESE NEIGHBORS MAY BE UPSET ABOUT IT, BUT THEY'VE BEEN NOTICED, AND THEY'VE BEEN GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS, PROVIDE FEEDBACK, AND THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY OTHER THAN THE POSITIVE ONE TO THE NORTH, CORRECT? YEP.

AND WHAT'S THE, CAN YOU REMIND ME OF THE TIMEFRAME FOR WHICH THEY RECEIVE NOTICE PRIOR TO THESE 30 DAYS? SO YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE NOTICE OUT 30 DAYS PRIOR TO, UM, HE'S, UH, MR. FRAZIER WAS REQUIRED TO DO CERTIFIED LETTERS.

SO, UM, HE WAS, HE HAS SINCE PROVIDED ALL THAT INFORMATION BACK TO US, THE, UM, YOU HAVE TO DO A CERTIFIED RECEIPT.

UM, SO HE HAS TO, UH, BOTH, UH, GET THAT IN PRIOR, PRIOR TO THAT 30 DAY MARK.

AND THEN, UM, AS INDIVIDUALS GO SIGN FOR IT, CAUSE THEY HAVE TO SIGN FOR IT, UM, ON THE, ON THE, ON THE FORM AND IT'S, THAT'S RIPPED OFF AND GIVEN BACK TO MR. FRAZIER AND THEN THAT WAY THEY THEN HAVE THEIR LETTER STATING EXACTLY WHAT WAS GOING ON.

UM, YOU KNOW, STAFF ACTUALLY PREPARES A, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE A TEMPLATE LETTER WITH ALL OF THE INFORMATION, AS WELL AS A MAP SHOWING THE PROPERTIES.

SO THAT WAY THERE'S NO CONFUSION AS TO, TO WHAT IT IS.

UH, AND, AND TELL THEM LIKE YOU WERE GOING

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UH, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO COME IN.

AND THAT'S WHAT MR. MR. SERRANO, HE GOT THAT LETTER AND HE CALLED AND HE SAID, HEY, WHAT'S DO I NEED TO BE THERE? I WAS LIKE, YOU DON'T NEED TO BE HERE, BUT YOU KNOW, IT JUST IT'S NOTIFYING YOU THAT THE MEETINGS IS HAPPENING.

HE'S LIKE, OH, OKAY.

I WISH HIM ALL THE BEST LUCK OR THE WRITERS OR THE POTENTIAL USES LISTED IN THAT LETTER.

UH, IT WAS THE, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE USES ARE LISTED, BUT WE LIST THAT IT'S GOING FROM A RESIDENTIAL, UH, GENERAL TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD CORE.

IS THERE ANY DISTRICT, IT WOULD HAVE TO TAKE THE IMPETUS TO EITHER PHONE CALL OR GO LOOK UP THAT INFORMATION.

CAN WE CAN, YOU CAN ONLY PROVIDE SO MUCH INFORMATION AND THEN YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO LET THE PEOPLE, YES.

YOU HAVE A, UM, SURVEY OR ANYTHING THAT SHOWS WHAT'S THE WIDTH OF THE, THERE'S LOTS OF, I'M JUST THINKING, BECAUSE THEY'RE NARROW, THEY'RE NOT SUPER WIDE THAT I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BUILDING INFORMATION.

LIKE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE, I WOULDN'T ASSUME LARGE FOOTPRINTS IF ANYBODY WENT IN THERE.

UM, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE DIFFERENT SETBACKS AND DIFFERENT, I'M SURE THERE ARE THERE'S VEGETATION.

UM, THE WHOLE PARKING SITUATION, LIKE THAT'S, I CAN SEE MULTIPLE SMALLER SCALE THINGS, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I'D EVER SEE ANYTHING ARGH.

ON OUR PROPERTY THAT SIZE ONE SECOND, I'VE GOT A COPY OF THE OLD DEED.

SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UM, 200 AND A TOTAL OF 216 FEET IN WIDTH.

THAT'S THE, BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER.

THAT'S BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER.

BUT THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE PROPERTIES.

SO 108 HUNDRED AND EIGHT FEET.

YEP.

SO, UM, AND YOU KNOW, WHAT WILL HAVE TO HAPPEN IS SINCE THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, THE COMMERCIAL USE AS, AS IT MOVES FORWARD.

UM, AND DURING THAT DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS, UM, THERE IS, YOU KNOW, EXISTING VEGETATION ON, ON MR. FRAZIER'S PROPERTY TO THE PROPERTY, TO THE SOUTH.

UM, SO HE HAS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE THAT BUFFER AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPE BUFFER.

SO EXISTING VEGETATION, UH, CAN BE USED.

AND IF THERE'S ANY, ANY GAPS, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE FILLED IN, BUT THAT'S DURING THE, WHAT DO YOU KNOW, NOTICE SIDE SETBACKS ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IT'S NOT DETERMINED BY BUILDING TYPE THERE CAUSE THAT'S NOT HISTORIC.

THAT'S WHERE RESIDENTIAL.

IT, IT IS IT'S, THERE IS LOT TYPES.

UM, SO IT IS THE LARGE, IT'S THE LARGE, UM, I'M SORRY.

UM, SO IT HAS A COMMERCIAL, UM, DESIGNATION, BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY 10 AND FEET ALONG THE SIDES.

SO, SO I MEAN, YOU THINK ABOUT IT, YOU TAKE 10 FEET OFF OF EITHER SIDE.

AND SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S 20 FEET RIGHT THERE.

AND THEN AS YOU START PUTTING PARKING IN, AS YOU START PUTTING ANY TYPE OF STORM WATER REQUIREMENTS FOR IN THE FUTURE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT REALLY DOES START TO NARROW DOWN THE AVAILABLE SPACE FOR ANY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.

DO WE WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO READ THIS COMMENT? OKAY.

UM, WELL THE RELEVANT IN READ IT YOURSELF, BUT IT'S THE PUBLIC COMMENTS OR THE FORTUNE IS NOT HERE THOUGH.

IT'S NOT, THEY'RE NOT, THEY HAVE TO REPRESENT THEMSELVES.

THAT WAS ONLY DURING COVID AND WE WERE ON ZOOM.

IDENTIFIED BY BEAVER COUNTY TEXTMAP NUMBERS.

AND AS A LITTLE BACKGROUND FOR ANY COMMISSIONERS IS A GENTLEMAN THAT AS RESIDENTIAL ON EITHER SIDE OF HIM, AS WELL AS RESIDENTIAL ON EITHER SIDE OF HIM, I BELIEVE SO, BUT IT'S, IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICT.

HEY, EMOTION FROM ANYONE I RECOMMEND TOO.

I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY J C FRAZIER JR.

FOR APPROVAL OF AN AMENDMENT TO THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON OFFICIAL ZONING MAP, TO REZONE TWO PARCELS FROM RESIDENTIAL GENERAL TO NEIGHBORHOOD CORE, THE SUBJECT PARCELS CONSIST OF APPROXIMATELY 1.2, FOUR ACRES IN TOTAL AND ARE

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UH, AS STATED ON THE SCREEN, WE'LL HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

ALL OPPOSED ONE.

NO, THANK YOU.

AND THE REASON I'M DOING THAT, MR. FREY, JUST FOR THE RECORD IS BECAUSE I DON'T, I JUST DON'T THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD CORE IS THE APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THAT SPECIFIC LOCATION, BUT I AM ALL THE BEST TO YOU AND YOUR RESTAURANT.

CAUSE I THINK THAT'S AWESOME.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

UM, THE LAST ITEM THAT I HAVE NOT ON HERE, BUT, UM, SO WE HAVE A NEW EMPLOYEE, UM, CARRIE GOOSMANN WHO'S HERE.

SHE IS OUR GROWTH MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR.

SO YOU'LL START SEEING SOME, UH, CORRESPONDENCE FROM HER.

UH, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR ANYTHING, PLEASE, UH, DIRECT THEM TO HER, NOT ME, SO, OKAY.

I'LL STILL COPY YOU, KEVIN.

JUST BLOW UP YOUR EMAIL.

THAT'S ALL I HAD.

DID YOU HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SECOND? ALL IN FAVOR.