Nov 09, 2021 Bluffton Town Council

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DETAIL. IN THEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE IT'S IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT AND REALLY TIME

CONSUMING. >> EVERY BODY WE LIVE IN MEETING EVERYBODY FOR THOSE

OF YOU FOLLOWING US ON THE COUNTY CHANNEL. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR STREAMING THIS. IF FOR SOME REASON YOU WATCH THIS AND THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT'S TAKING PLACE PRIOR TO US YOU CAN ALSO GO ON OUR WEB SITE AND SEE THE LIVESTREAM.

SO WE HAVE MULTIPLE WAYS OF STREAMING WHERE PEOPLE CAN WATCH WITHOUT HAVING OCCURS AND GET HERE. WE WILL START BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE FOLLOWED BY THE INVOCATION AT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION

UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE. >> MR. WOULD YOU PLEASE BOW YOUR HEADS AND PRAY WITH ME, HEAVENLY FATHER AS WE APPROACH THE HOLIDAY SEASON?

>> LET US GIVE THANKS TO THE MAGNIFICENT CREATIONS YOU PLACED BEFORE US TEACH NOT ONLY TO BE THANKFUL FOR THE BLESSINGS YOU PROVIDE US INDIVIDUALLY BUT TO OPEN OUR EYES TO SEE THE STRANGERS IN OUR COMMUNITY AS OUR NEIGHBORS AND TO SHARE OUR GOD GIVEN TALENTS AND GIFTS WITH OTHERS TEACH US TO PROVIDE RANDOM ACTS OF KINDNESS TO THOSE THAT NEED A HELPING HAND. OFFER A KIND WORD OR JUST TAKE THE TIME TO LISTEN AND SHOW THEM THEY MATTER. GRACIOUS GOD I ASK YOU TO BLESS BLUFFTON AND REMIND US TO

REMAIN TOLERANT, FORGIVING AND LOVING A MAN. >> A MAN.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. WHAT WE DO ARE MISSING COUNCILMAN FRAZIER.

SHE HAS A PERSONAL THING SHE HAD TO ATTEND. SO FOR HER HERE WE WILL MOVE ON

[IV. Adoption of the Agenda]

>> YES, MAYOR. WE ARE ASKING IF COUNCIL WILL FLIP UNDERNEATH THE FORMAL AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER THREE AND NUMBER FOUR TO MORE ALIGN WITH THE PRESENTATION, ALLOW THE

VOTES TO GO SMOOTHLY. >> SO WE'LL DO ONE, TWO, FOUR, THREE.

YES, MA'AM. ANY OTHER CHANGES NOT SET IN MOTION TO ACCEPT THE AGENDA AS

HAS CHANGED SOME. >> FIRST I CAN SECOND ANY DISCUSSION.

[V. Adoption of the Minutes]

>> ALL IN FAVOR. SAY HI. NEXT THE ADOPTION OF THE AMENDMENTS OF OCTOBER 12TH. I WILL NOT BE VOTING BECAUSE I WAS NOT HERE.

ANY CHANGES TO THOSE MINUTES? IF THEY'RE ACCURATE, IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT?

MOVE YOUR SECOND LOOK. >> ANY DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR SAY BY SAYING I.

[VI. Presentations, Celebrations and Recognitions]

THAT'S THREE. >> I ABSTAIN. THAT'S A MAJORITY.

WE HAVE SEVERAL PRESENTATION CELEBRATIONS AND RECOGNITIONS AND WE WILL BRIEFLY GO OVER IT.

WE HAVE A VERY LONG AGENDA TONIGHT. THEY'RE ALL VERY IMPORTANT AND THEY CANNOT BE HERE THIS MONTH. BUT HOPEFULLY AS WE HEAR FROM OUR TOWN MANAGER WE'LL GET CLOSER TO HAVING THEIR PRESENTATIONS. PEOPLE HERE IN PERSON THAT ARE STUDENT AND THE MONTH IS NICHOLAS SELBY NOT HE GOES TO BLUFFTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

HIS TRADE WAS FOR ACCEPTANCE. WE WILL SEND HIM A CERTIFICATE AND A COIN AND FOR THOSE OF YOU ALL WATCHING THIS IS THAT STUDENT HAS PICKED OUT OF OVER 12000 STUDENTS IN OUR CLUSTER FROM EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL IN OUR PUBLIC SCHOOL DISTRICT AND IT'S A CHARACTER TRAIT PROGRAM THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT PUT TOGETHER SO. NICHOLAS.

CONGRATULATIONS. AND WE HOPE TO SEE YOU ONE DAY AND CELEBRATE ALL YOU YOUNG

PEOPLE FOR FOR JUST BEING GOOD LEADERS IN YOUR SCHOOLS. >> THE NEXT IS A PROCLAMATION

FOR A SMOKE FREE AND VAPE FREE AWARENESS MONTH. >> WE'RE PARTNERS WITH LOW COUNTRY ALLIANCE FOR HELP THE YOUTH AND LET'S SEE 43 AND SO MANY OTHER INITIATIVES AND VAPING AND BEING SMOKE FREE IS VERY IMPORTANT AND THEY'VE BEEN EDUCATING STUDENTS ON THIS FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS AND I THINK YOU'LL SEE IN THE SCHOOLS ACTUALLY THE INCIDENCES HAVE DROPPED BUT THERE STILL IS VAPING WITH E-CIGARETTES AROUND IT.

IT'S VERY HARMFUL OUR YOUNG PEOPLE AND WE ARE RECOGNIZING THAT PROCLAMATION FOR THIS MONTH. THE THIRD ONE IS RECOGNIZING SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY AND I BELIEVE THAT IS THE 21ST IS THAT ONE SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY IS CHEMICAL.

YOU SCROLL DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE ON NOVEMBER 27 THIS SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY AND YOU SEE A LOT OF OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES HAVE SHOP LOCAL SOUNDS AND THEN PLEASE SUPPORT OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES EVERY DAY NOT JUST NOVEMBER 27. THEY ARE THE BACKBONE OF OUR TOWN AND WE NEED TO SUPPORT LOCAL WHEREVER WE CAN. SO THAT PROCLAMATION IS FOR SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY. ERIC HAS SET THE STAGE SALE FAST WENT THROUGH THESE

PRESENTATIONS. WE WANT YOU TO BE JUST AS FAST. >> SO OUR OUR LAST PRESENTATION IS A REGIONAL HOUSING TRUST FUND AND ERIC GREENWAY IS THE BEAUFORT COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

ERIC, AS YOU SEE WE HAVE A SUPER PACKED NIGHT AND I THINK THREE OF US HAVE BEEN VERY MUCH

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STEPS ARE. >> I'M NOT GOING TO SKIP MANY OF THESE SLIDES BUT THEY ARE

THE CROWD. >> JUST TELL PEOPLE YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.

WE HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR A FEW YEARS NOW ON ESTABLISHING A REGIONAL HOUSING TRUST FUND.

WE HAD ALL EIGHT JURORS ACTIONS IN THE REGION PARTICIPATE IN PROVIDING FUNDING FOR THAT INCLUDING THE TOWN OF HARDY VILLE WHICH IS A PART OF SO LOCO AND JASPER COUNTY.

I'VE BEEN GOING AROUND FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS DOING THIS PRESENTATION.

YOU ALL ARE ABOUT THE FILTER SIX TIMES THAT I'VE DONE THIS EXACT PRESENTATION.

SO BASICALLY THE PURPOSE OF THE STUDY WAS FOR THINGS TO IDENTIFY REVENUE SOURCES FOR THE TRUST FUND TO IDENTIFY USERS FUN TO RECOMMEND HOW THE FUN WOULD BE GOVERNED BY THE JURISDICTIONS THAT PARTICIPATE AND THE PROJECT CRITERIA. I'M GONNA KIND OF GO THROUGH

THE FIRST THREE BULLET POINTS TONIGHT. >> I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT PROJECT CRITERIA BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'LL TALK COME LATER IN THE PROCESS.

I'M GONNA SKIP OVER ALL OF THAT . THE HOUSING TRUST FUND STUDY WORKED ON FOR PRIORITIES ONE AND THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE IS PROVIDING EXCESSIVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO THE REGION TO SUPPORT THE WORKFORCE IN THE SERVICE ECONOMY YOU CAN SEE THE INCOME LEVELS THEY ARE THAT IT REQUIRE IN ORDER TO AFFORD MEDIAN GROSS RENT IN BEAUFORT AND JASPER COUNTY FORTY EIGHT THOUSAND THIRTY SEVEN THOUSAND AND JASPER THAT DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ANY HOUSING SUPPLY THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE EARNING THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY BECAUSE I DOUBT THERE WOULD BE THERE WOULD BE VERY FEW RENTAL HOMES WHERE PEOPLE COULD RENT OR BUY HOMES IN OUR COUNTY MAKING THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY EVERY YEAR SO THAT DOESN'T TAKE IN THE INVENTORY OVER TO PRIOR NUMBER TWO WAS OVERCOMING BARRIERS TO AFFORDABLE DEVELOPMENT AND SUCH FINANCIAL GAPS AND LAND AVAILABILITY.

>> BIG ONE AS YOU ALL HEARD IS IMPACT FEES, UTILITY COST UTILITY IMPACT FEES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THE REGIONAL HOUSING TRUST 9 CAN ASSIST IN CLOSING THAT GAP.

PRIORITY NUMBER THREE IS ENSURING A REGIONAL APPROACH FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT ADDRESSES THE NEEDS OF EACH JURISDICTION WITHOUT OVERBURDENING THOSE JURISDICTIONS AND ALSO MEETINGS IMPORTANT STRATEGIC GOALS AND FOR HOUSING LOCATIONS.

SO JASPER COUNTY IN PARTICULAR HAS HAD A CONCERN THAT THEY MIGHT BECOME THE DUMPING GROUND FOR WORK NOT DUMPING GROUND. TRY NOT THE BEST PHRASE TO USE THEY MIGHT BECOME THE PLACE WHERE ALL THE WORKFORCE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING OCCURS. I DON'T WANT AGREE WITH THAT APPROACH. I DON'T SUPPORT THAT APPROACH. I THINK IN ORDER FOR THE REGIONAL HOUSING TRUST FUND TO WORK WE'VE GOT TO PROVIDE WORKFORCE HOUSING THROUGHOUT THE REGION AND ALL OF THE JURISDICTIONS SO THAT PEOPLE CAN LIVE CLOSE TO WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE WORKING. THE FOURTH AND FIFTH PRIORITIES UNDERSTANDING THE TOOLS AND RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO HOUSING TRUST FUND THROUGH STATE LAWS AND REGULATIONS AND THEN FIVE IDENTIFYING A STABLE AND RIBAUT RELIABLE DEDICATED REVENUE SOURCE.

>> SO THOSE WERE THE FIVE PRIORITIES THAT THE STUDY UNDERTOOK THAT THE STEERING COMMITTEE I KIND OF GUIDED CONSULTANT ON AND ALL OF THE REPORTS AND THE STUDY IN ITS ENTIRETY GOES TO THAT AND MUCH MORE DETAIL WHERE I AM HERE BECAUSE I'M SKIPPING OVER SLIDES TO SAY THIS IS THE THREE YEAR TIME FRAME RIGHT HERE THAT YOU SEE.

>> YOU CAN SEE THAT A LOT OF THINGS ARE GONNA BE OCCURRING IN YEAR ONE, A LOT OF ERRORS ONE AROUND OTHER THINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT'S JUST A FANCY WAY OF SAYING THERE IS GOING TO BE A LOT OF STUFF HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME.

MOST OF THAT RESPONSIBILITY AT THIS POINT UNTIL WE BRING SOMEONE ON BOARD WILL PROBABLY FALL TO THE SO LOCOS SUBCOMMITTEE THAT CHAIRED AND AND WORKED WITH THE CONSULTANT AND GUIDED THE CONSULTANT THROUGH THE PROCESS ALONG WITH THE STEERING COMMITTEE AND AND A LOT OF THAT WILL BE MY RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE IT HAPPENS.

SO STEP ONE IS TO FUND A REGIONAL HOUSING TRUST FUND. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. WE'RE GOING AROUND ASKING TO JURISDICTIONS PARTICIPATE IN THIS COMMITMENT OF PUBLIC FUNDING SOURCES IN THE FOURTH QUARTER OF 2021.

THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW FIRST QUARTER OF 2022 THROUGH QUARTER 3 FORMALIZE PHILANTHROPIC PARTNERSHIPS, YOU KNOW, LEVERAGING WHAT THE BASIS OF THE FUNDING AGAINST

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THIS IS FOR THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON. YOU NOTICE THAT EVERYONE ELSE AT THAT IS NOT BASED ON POPULATION. THERE IS JUST 3 PERCENT OF YOUR ARPA FUNDING. I DON'T REALLY KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THIS TO SPEAK TO THIS BUT I THINK YOUR ARPA FUNDING HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH BEING AN ENTITLEMENT OR NON ENTITLEMENT COMMUNITY. SO THAT'S WHY YOUR NUMBERS SEEMS TO BE LOWER THAN YOUR POPULATION THERE. BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT I DON'T WANT YOUR OPERA ARPA FUNDING BUT IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE'D NEED TO TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT AND BECAUSE A LOT OF THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS LIKE YOU KNOW WHY ARE WE EXPECTED TO PAY THIS MUCH MONEY AND BLUFFTON IS GETTING AWAY WITH THAT LITTLE AMOUNT OF MONEY. BUT WE DID OUR PLANNING ON RETREAT WITH OUR COUNCIL LAST WEEK. WHENEVER THAT ONE POINT ONE WITH THEM THE BEAUFORT COUNTY COUNCIL WOULD BE EXPECTED TO CONTRIBUTE AND THEY SUPPORT THAT WE WILL DO THAT CONTRIBUTION AND WE'RE PROGRAMING THAT AND TO OUR ARPA RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE USE OF THAT MONEY. SO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT AT THIS POINT? AND THEN WE HAVE TO CREATE A LONG TERM STRATEGY FOR SECURING DEDICATED REVENUE SOURCE BECAUSE THE ONLY WAY THE HOUSING TRUST FUND WILL BE SUCCESSFUL WILL BE IF WE HAVE A DEDICATED REVENUE SOURCE TO CONTINUALLY FUND IT SO THAT THEY CAN KEEP PROJECTS MOVING AND KEEP FUNDING PROJECTS. WE GET A LOT OF QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW IN BEAUFORT COUNTY ABOUT OKAY, AFFORDABLE HOUSING WAIVERS FOR IMPACT FEES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THERE IS NOT A RELIABLE SOURCE FOR IMPACT FEE WAIVERS.

THE COUNTY COUNCIL SETS ASIDE MONEY WHEN THAT MONEY IS USED UP.

I HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE COUNTY COUNCIL AND GET THEM TO SET ASIDE ADDITIONAL MONEY.

YOU CERTAINLY DO NOT WANT TO OPERATE A REGIONAL HOUSING TRUST FUND BASED ON THAT FORMULA. SO WE NEED TO COME UP WITH SOME YEAR TO YEAR DEDICATED REVENUE SOURCE FOR FORD THAT TO FIGHT AND REMAIN HEALTHY, VIABLE AND SUSTAINABLE.

>> SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SET UP A FIVE TO ONE THREE SEABOARD AND IN AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER THE SO LOCAL BOARD VOTED FOR OPTION A AND SETTING UP THAT BOARD THAT EACH PARTICIPATING JURISDICTION WOULD APPOINT ONE BOARD MEMBER PER JURISDICTION. SO IF EIGHT PEOPLE PROVIDE THEIR FUNDING BASED ON WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING AND REQUESTING THEN EACH JURISDICTION WOULD GET TO APPOINT ONE PERSON TO SERVE ON THAT BOARD.

IT WOULD BE UP TO YOU ALL TO DETERMINE WHO THAT WHO THAT PERSON WOULD BE THAT WOULD SERVE ON THE BOARD. SO LOKO RECOMMENDED OPTION OVER OPTION B SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO GO WITH IS PARTICIPATING JURISDICTION APPOINTS ONE BOARD MEMBER AND THEN WE HAVE TO STAFF THE REGIONAL HOUSING TRUST FUND POTENTIALLY IF WE DO IT THERE'S TWO OPTIONS WITH THIS WE CAN EITHER DEVELOP OUR OWN ORGANIZATION AND STAFFING THAT MEANS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO HIRE AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND A PROJECT MANAGER IN THE FIRST THREE YEARS TO OPERATE REGIONAL HOUSING TRUST FUND OR WE CAN ENTER INTO A RELATIONSHIP WITH SOMEONE THERE ALREADY OPERATE REGIONAL HOUSING TRUST FUNDS. I HAVE A MEETING NEXT TUESDAY NEXT THURSDAY WITH A GROUP THAT IS OPERATING THE GREENVILLE REGIONAL HOUSING TRUST FUND.

THEY'RE INTERRUPTED I'M AND OPERATING THE REGIONAL HOUSING TRUST FUND HERE AND ESTABLISHING A PRESENCE HERE AND THEY'VE BEEN HIRED TO DO SOME CONSULTING WORK ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING HERE IN THE REGION. SO I'M NOT TALKED TO SEE WHAT

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SO THIS IS A THREE YEAR BUDGET RIGHT HERE. IT'S ABOUT TWO HUNDRED FIFTY SIX THOUSAND DOLLARS FIRST YEAR TO SIXTY ONE SECOND YEAR TO 68 THE THIRD YEAR AND THAT IS AGAIN YOU CAN SEE THE RAMP THERE TRAVEL INSURANCE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AND MOST OF THAT WOULD BE THE SALARY AND FRINGE BENEFITS FOR THE STAFF OF THE REGIONAL HOUSING TRUST FUND. IF WE STAND UP OUR OWN ORGANIZATION NOW ALL OF THIS GETS PROBABLY A LITTLE CHEAPER IF WE USE AN EXISTING ORGANIZATION AND THERE ARE WHO ALREADY HAS THE PERSONNEL AND THE PEOPLE TO STAND IT UP THAT HAS BEEN A QUICK AND DOWN AND DIRTY PRESENTATION THAT ANSWERING QUESTIONS OR RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS QUESTIONS COUNSEL

. >> ALL RIGHT. HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO READ THE PULSE OF THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS AT THIS POINT? TO ME THIS WHAT MAKES THIS WORK IS THAT WE APPROACHED IT FROM A REGIONAL PERSPECTIVE AND BY THE WAY, I COMMEND YOU FOR BEING

THE LEADER TO TAKE THIS TASK ON AND GUIDE IT ALL THIS TIME. >> YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB BUT YOU KNOW IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE ALL KIND OF STICK TOGETHER AND NOT ONE FALL OUT.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR SENSES WELL THE OLD. >> I HAVEN'T REALLY GOTTEN A PUSHBACK ON ANYTHING OR BY SEEMS TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF IT. I KNOW THE CITY OF BEAUFORT.

THEY'RE ALLOCATING SOME MONEY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THEY HAVEN'T MADE A COMMITMENT TO JOIN THE REGIONAL HOUSING TRUST FUND AT THIS POINT. BUT ALL THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS ARE EMBRACING A HARDY VEAL BEAUFORT COUNTY CITY OF BEAUFORT.

THEY'VE ALL THEY'VE ALL MADE THAT YEMEN SEE THEY'VE ALL MADE THEIR THEIR VOICE, THEIR SUPPORT FOR THE REGIONAL HOUSING TRUST FUND. NOW WHEN IT COMES TIME TO GIVE MONEY, THAT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT THING. BUT BUT SO FAR DURING THE PRESENTATION PHASE THERE'S BEEN NO PUSHBACK. SOME I THINK WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE. WHAT IS THAT NEXT STEP TO KNOW WE'RE ALL IN? I MEAN I THINK WE ALMOST HAVE TO BE ALL IN OR REGROUP BECAUSE IT DOES MAKE A HIGHER FOR EVERYBODY. SO WHAT IS THAT NEXT STEP THAT YOU WANT? YOU WANT A RESOLUTION FROM EACH OF US THAT SAY IF ALL ARE IN WE ARE IN, WE'LL BE WE WILL BE

DEVELOPING HERE IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO. >> I'LL BE DEVELOPING AN RGA THAT WE SEND ALL JURISDICTION WITH SOME INCORPORATION DOCUMENT FOR THE BOARD AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT YOU ALL CAN REVIEW SO THAT WE CAN BEGIN THAT COMMENT PROCESS.

HOW WOULD YOU GO WITH YOUR COUNTERPART SITE? >> STEVEN WOULD BE PART OF IT TO SIT AND TALK ABOUT THE LANGUAGE. OH OKAY.

ANYTHING ELSE FROM FOR ERIC? THANK YOU FOR THIS. THIS IS GONNA BE ONLINE.

IT'S ON OUR AGENDA. IT'S ON THE VIDEO SO YOU CAN REALLY DOVE INTO IT.

BUT THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR A LITTLE MORE BRIEF. >> IT'S ALWAYS IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO VISIT WITH ONE OF MY FAVORITE JURISDICTIONS IN THE COUNTY AND I'M PROBABLY NOT

SUPPOSED TO SAY THAT. >> AND AS COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR BUT YOU GUYS DO A GREAT JOB AND I APPRECIATE WORKING WITH YOU ALL SO MUCH ON YOU AND WE NEVER EXCITED TO AIR IT VERY MUCH.

[VII. Public Comment]

>> WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT RIGHT NOW. WE'RE STILL GOING INTO THIS TRANSITIONING FROM MEETING REMOTELY GETTING BACK TO SOME SITUATION WHERE WE'RE ALL USED TO IT BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE STILL IN THIS MODE. SO WE'RE GOING TO CALL PEOPLE IN WHEN YOU SPEAK. I'LL REMIND YOU WHO'S COME IN. YOU'LL NEED TO LEAVE ON THREE MINUTES AND WE'RE GONNA BE TIGHT ON IT. EVEN MAYOR MCCRACKEN WHO'S COMING AT THE FIRST ONE I'M CALLING BECAUSE HE'S FORMER MAYOR IN THIS CHAMBERS NAMED AFTER HIM. SO I HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE THAT DECISION TO CALL HIM FIRST. SO MAYOR MCCRACKEN, GOOD EVENING.

NAME AND ADDRESS. THREE MINUTES PLEASE DON'T MAKE ME STOP YOU, PLEASE.

>> MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AMENDMENT MCCRACKEN I LIVE AT 58 STOP FORM ROAD CAM BEFORE MY THREE MINUTES DOOR. I WANT TO MAKE AN OBSERVATION. I DON'T HAVE TO CLARIFY TONIGHT BUT IT'S INTERESTING THAT WE ARE IN THE BE BREATHING ON EACH OF THEM AND WE COULD BE SITTING HERE BREATHING OR ANY CHILDREN AND I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND IT'S BUT LET ME GO ON ABOUT 22 OR 23 YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS YOUNG I WAS PRIVILEGED TO WITNESS THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PALMETTO BLUFF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND DURING THOSE DISCUSSIONS A SENIOR MEMBER OF THE PALMETTO BLUFF TEAM DEVELOPED A TERM OFTEN USE A TERM LESS IS MORE AND THAT WAS

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I ASK YOUR DENIAL OF THIS REQUEST AND STICK WITH THE PHILOSOPHY OF LESS IS MORE OTHERWISE WE MAY WAKE UP ONE MORNING AND FIND FURTHER DETRIMENT TO THE FRAGILE WATERWAYS AND AN EROSION OF OUR STEWARDSHIP OF THIS LOW CORNER OF SOUTH CAROLINA AND INDEED IT MAY PROVE TO US MUCH TOO LATE THAT MORE WILL PROVE TO BE WORSE.

THANK YOU. >> JIM LAWTON. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

IN LAWTON AS YOU COME UP, PLEASE NOTE THE RULES THREE MINUTES AND WE ARE GOING TO KEEP IT TO THAT NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE TOO. SO WE HAVE IT FOR THE RECORD,

SIR. >> MY NAME IS JIM LAWTON. I LIVE AT 52 OYSTER STREET.

HELLO, MEMBERS. TOWN COUNCIL MAYOR SILKE. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT 1856 SIGNATURES FROM A PETITION STARTED THREE WEEKS AGO TO BIG BRING ATTENTION TO THE PROPOSED PALMETTO BLUFF AMENDMENTS. IN LIEU OF MY OWN COMMENTS I WANT TO SHARE OTHER BUT BLUFFTON VIEWS OF THE MATTERS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT THEY SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES ISABELLA REEVES THE PAST EIGHT YEARS OF THE PALMETTO BLUFF STORY ARE VERY SAD AND NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT THE POLAR OPPOSITE OF THE ORIGINAL PLAN AND THE AGREEMENT WITH THE TOWN BLUFFTON HAS LOST ITS STATE OF MIND TO CONTINUE WITH THIS PROPOSAL WOULD FOREVER RUIN THAT ECOSYSTEM THAT IS CRITICALLY TO A HEALTHY LAND WATER AND PEOPLE THUS META SAYING IT WILL DESTROY THE REASON WE LIVE IN PALMETTO BLUFF. IT IS A SANCTUARY FOR EVERYONE AND I HOPE THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON WILL DO THE CORRECT THING FOR THE RESIDENTS OF PALMETTO BLUFF AND NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND IT.

CHARLEY CARVER'S WHEN I LIVED AT PALMETTO BLUFF I LEARNED HOW SPECIAL LONG ISLAND WAS AND ENCOURAGED ITS PROTECTION GIVING BOTH TOURS TO THE ISLAND AND MEETING WITH DEVELOPERS.

LONG ISLAND LONG AND NARROW IS VISIBLE FOR MILES IN EVERY DIRECTION.

ITS DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE A DEVASTATING IMPACT ON THE PRISTINE VIEW SHED TO SAY NOTHING OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF SURROUNDING MARSH FROM RUNOFF.

IF THERE IS ANY PART PALMETTO BLUFF THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED SACRED, IT IS LONG ISLAND.

KATHY PATE BEAUTIFUL VISTAS LANDSCAPE AND RIVER ARE WHY BLUFFTON IS SO ENTICING TO SO MANY. WE MUST NOT OVER DEVELOP BLUFFTON OR WE'LL LOSE ALL THAT IS SPECIAL. I AM FIRMLY OPPOSED TO THIS AND URGE TOWN LEADERS TO STOP NEGOTIATING WITH DEVELOPERS WHOSE SOLE PURPOSE IS TO MAKE MONEY WITHOUT REGARD TO OUR NATURAL LANDSCAPES. IT'S TIME TO START HOLDING THEM ACCOUNTABLE TO THEIR ORIGINAL AGREEMENT. CHRISTINE BOGUE JET PALMETTO BLUFF SET ITSELF APART BY PRIORITIZING NATURAL ENVIRONMENT. NOT ONLY DOES THIS VIOLATE THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT, IT SETS THE STAGE FOR DEATH BY A THOUSAND CUTS.

WE NEED TO CONSIDER ALL RAMIFICATIONS DISAPPEARING WILDLIFE HAS HABITATS NOISE POLLUTION, BOAT TRAFFIC, WATER QUALITY VIEW SHEDS AND THE HEALTH OF THE FISHERIES THE MAY

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>> IT IS A GARDEN OF EDEN. IT IS THE REASON I MOVED HERE TO FINISH MY LIFE.

SURROUNDED BY ALL THIS NATURAL BEAUTY. >> THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR. FRAN BOLAN. FRAN BOLAN.

FRAN HAYWARD, MARCIA MULLEN. >> GOOD EVENING. I'M FRAN HAYWOOD BOLEN THE LAND

MAN. >> I SAW OTHER PEOPLE BUT NOW I APOLOGIZE.

>> TWENTY THREE BIG OAK STREET HILTON HEAD ISLAND IS MAN MADE AN ADDRESS? IT'S BUCKINGHAM LANDING. I GREW UP IN BLUFFTON FROM THE AGE OF ONE.

IT IS STILL MY HOMETOWN AND I AM PART OWNER WITH OTHER MEMBERS PUBLIC OF THE NATURAL RESOURCES IN THIS AREA WHICH INCLUDES TIDEWATER WATERS, MUD MARSH WATER, FISH, SHRIMP,

CRABS, MUSSELS WHAT ELSE? >> AND SO WHAT I WANT TO DO IS URGE YOU AS THE ELECTED PEOPLE WHO RUN THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON VERY IMPORTANT ROLE PROTECT THESE NATURAL RESOURCES NOT ONLY FOR US PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE NOT AT THIS MEETING AND FOR THE CHILDREN WHO COME ALONG BEHIND PALMETTO BLUFFS DEVELOPMENT HAD TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT THEY CAN DO

ON THEIR LAND AND ON THE WATER SURROUNDING THEIR PROPERTY. >> IT IS A BAD TOUGHLY TOUGH GROSSMAN NEGOTIATIONS TOWARD THAT AGREEMENT BUT THAT'S A GOOD AGREEMENT FOR THEM AND

THEY SAY THEY WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE. >> THEY WANT TO BE CONSERVATIONIST. THEY WILL HAVE A MISSION OF CONSERVANCY TO HELP THEM LIVE UP TO THAT THEIR THEIR OWN STATEMENT BY DENYING THIS CHANGE IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT

AGREEMENT. >> I HOPE YOU WILL DO THAT. THANK YOU.

>> THAT DAILY DAILY NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE, SIR. >> YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES DAILY

FOR MYRTLE LANE. >> I ALSO OWN A SERIES OF ISLANDS MARSH NEXT TO PALMETTO BLUFF. I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING.

I'VE BEEN OUT ON THOSE ISLANDS PHOTOGRAPHING BIRDS, COUNTING BIRDS A NUMBER OF TIMES I'VE BROUGHT SOUTH CAROLINA AUDUBON WITH ME BEFORE COUNTY OPEN LAND TRUST SENT PICTURES TO DNR TO FELICIA SANDERS TO IDENTIFY BIRDS AND ON AUDUBON GLOBAL PRIORITY LIST OF BIRDS THAT

BIRDS WILL NEVER SEE BIRDS IN ALASKA. >> OTHER HEMISPHERES 61 BIRDS WE SPOTTED 27 OF THOSE BIRDS ON THAT PROPERTY. OK.

>> IT'S A SIGNIFICANT PIECE OF HABITAT. OK.

AND IT'S IRREPLACEABLE AND IS VERY VITAL TO THOSE BIRDS AND OTHER SPECIES.

>> THERE'S MINK OTTERS, LOTS OF THINGS OUT THERE, OK? A FUEL DOG ISN'T GOING TO HELP THAT FUEL DOCKS LEAK. THEY ALWAYS LEAK AND TO MR. MCCRACKEN IS POINT IN THE 50S THERE IS AN INCURSION OF POLLUTION FROM SAVANNAH AND THOSE WATERS KILL THE SHELLFISH INDUSTRY THERE. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE CURRENT DNR SHELLFISH MAPS THE AREA WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT A MARINA IS OFF LIMITS FOR SHELLFISH. AND IF YOU LOOK AT ANY OTHER MARINA, THOSE AREAS ARE OFF LIMITS FOR COLLECTING SHELLFISH.

WHY? BECAUSE FUEL DOCKS INEVITABLY LEAK.

IT'S JUST THE TRUTH. SO WE HAVE SOME PRISTINE HABITAT TRYING TO RESTORE ALL OF IT NOW TRYING TO GET PAST THE DAMAGED PART UP THE NEW RIVER THERE AND A FUEL DOCK IS NOT GOING TO HELP AND PART OF WHY IT'S PRISTINE RECOVERING IS THE NEXT FUEL DOCK IS EIGHT MILES AWAY. OK. SO LET'S THINK ABOUT THAT.

IN ANY BOAT CAN HOLD EIGHT MILES WORTH OF FUEL. RIGHT.

ANY BOAT WORTH SALT CAN HOLD EIGHT MILES. YOU DON'T HAVE TO REFUEL ON SITE SO PLEASE DENIED THAT REQUEST. AND ALSO JUST LOGISTICALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NEW RIVER AND HOW SHALLOW IT IS AND HOW DYNAMIC THE SANDBARS ARE AND SHIFT HOW NARROW IT REALLY IS. 176 WET SLIPS THAT'S BIGGER THAN HARBOR TOWN.

THAT'S A LOT OF BOATS IN A NARROW RIVER THAT CHANGES COURSE.

AND IF YOU WERE CONSIDERING THE REQUEST FOR DRY STORAGE, I THINK YOU SHOULD CONSIDER TRAINING SOME AS WET SLIPS FOR DRY STORAGE. SO IF YOU CAN OFFER THEM SOME DRY STORAGE SLIPS TO MAKE UP FOR WET SLIPS THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE BECAUSE A RIVER REALLY CAN'T HANDLE THAT MANY WET SLIPS. AND THAT'S MORE BOATS AND OIL AND GAS SITTING IN THE WATER ALL YEAR LONG. AND MOST OF THE NEW YORKERS WHO LIVE IN PALMETTO BLUFF, THEY SEE THEIR BOAT JUST A FEW TIMES A YEAR.

IT CAN BE DRY STACK. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO STAY IN THE WATER ALL YEAR LONG.

SO PLEASE THAT'S PRISTINE AND PRICELESS. AN IRREPLACEABLE HABITAT FOR A LOT OF SPECIES. AND WHY PUT AT RISK? WE DON'T HAVE TO.

THERE'S PLENTY OF FUEL IN ALL DIRECTIONS. AND AS A NEIGHBOR I DON'T WANT

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HABITAT. >> SO PLEASE DO THAT AND CONSIDER THE WILDLIFE THERE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, JACK. >> ADAM GOLDSTEIN, ADAM GOLDSTEIN AGAIN THREE MINUTES WHEN YOU COME OUT PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.

>> EVENING. >> MY NAME IS ADAM GOLDSTEIN, 14, CHALMERS STREET IN BLUFFTON . I'M HERE BECAUSE I HAVE CONCERNS OVER THE WATERSHED DEPARTMENT THAT YOU'VE RECENTLY FORMED CONCERNING NOT ONLY FEES BUT ENFORCEMENT OF IT.

I'M A LOCAL BUILDER. I PROBABLY HAVE NINE OR 10 HOUSES UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW IN THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON ALONE. THE FEES HAVE BECOME VERY EXCESSIVE AND I'LL GIVE YOU EXAMPLES. AN AVERAGE HOUSE YEAR AGO PRIOR TO COVE IT WAS TAKING ABOUT FOUR MONTHS TO BUILD. NOW WE'RE AT ABOUT EIGHT OR NINE MONTHS TO BUILD GETTING HIT WITH A FEE OF ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS PER MONTH. AND YOU PUT IT UP FRONT AND THERE IS ONE INSTANCE WHERE I PUT SIX MONTHS UPFRONT EIGHT THOUSAND FIFTY DOLLARS AND I FINISHED IT FOUR MONTHS. WELL, NOBODY EVER CAME AND BROUGHT ME THE 300 BACK.

BUT THE DAY YOU GO OVER THAT SIX MONTHS YOU GET A FEE OF ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS OR THEY SHUT YOU DOWN AND THAT'S HAPPENED ON MORE OCCASIONS THAN ONCE.

FOR ME I HAD AN OCCASION JUST RECENTLY MY TIME WAS UP AND I NEEDED ANOTHER THREE DAYS TO FINISH. SO I SUBMIT AND SAY LOOK, I HAVE THREE DAYS TO FINISH.

I'LL HAVE MY MY LANDSCAPE AND EVERYTHING BE DONE. I GET A BILL FOUR HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS AND DEFINE BECAUSE I HAD A PILE OF DIRT IN THE YARD THAT WAS THERE FOR THE LANDSCAPING. BUT I WAS THERE FOR OVER 14 DAYS.

THE IT'S GETTING TO BE A VERY, VERY BIG CONCERN FOR ME AND I'VE GONE THROUGH THE CHAINS AND THEY LED ME TO TO YOU GUYS TODAY BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S SAYING WELL THIS IS THE GUIDELINES YOU PUT DOWN THERE FOLLOWING THEM. BUT THE ENFORCEMENT IS OUT OF CONTROL. PROBABLY IT'S PRIOR ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO NOW I HAVE A SITE IN HAMPTON LAKES THAT I'M DOING. I HAD A DUMPSTER REMOVED AND IT WAS RAINING WHEN THE DUMPSTER WAS REMOVED AT 11:00 IN THE MORNING. THAT DUMPSTER WASN'T EVEN BACK YET. AND THE ENFORCER SHOWED UP AT TWELVE O'CLOCK SAY WELL THE SITE HAD MUD ON THE STREET. OF COURSE IT DID A DUMPSTER JUST GOT PULLED AND HAS BEEN BROUGHT BACK YET. THAT HAPPENS DURING THE COURSE OF EVERY JOB YOU'VE MAKE A MESS YOU CLEAN IT UP BY THE END THE DAY IT'S CLEANED UP IN FACT BY 130 THE DUMPSTER WAS BACK AND THE ROAD WAS CLEAN AND I ENDED UP I DON'T KNOW THE DAY INSPECTION HAPPENED BECAUSE THEY DON'T RANDOM THE INSPECTION TOOK PLACE AT 12:00. I TOLD THEM WHEN I GOT THE FINE IN THE ME I GOT A HUNDRED FIFTY DOLLAR FINE EMAILED TO ME. I SAID LOOK I SAID THE DUMPSTER GOT PICKED UP AN HOUR BEFORE YOU. THERE'S EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES TO EVERYTHING. AND THE STANDARD RESPONSE YOU GET IS AT THE TIME OF INSPECTION YOU WERE YOUR FAULT. AND I SAID BUT IT JUST HAPPENED. BY THE END OF THE DAY I WAS CLEAN.

I'D EVEN KNOW YOU WERE THERE. IT WAS CLEAN. IF YOU CAME BACK AND LOOKED YOU WOULD'VE KNOWN IT WAS CLEAN. NO, I WENT THROUGH THE CHANGE WITH THIS AND THIS IS JUST ONE

INSTANCE THAT'S HAPPENED TO FIND IT. >> STEPHEN HAS YOUR E-MAIL.

I THINK THE TWO OF Y'ALL CAN CONNECT AND MEET AND YEAH, I I DO HAVE ANSWERS THAT'LL FIX THE PROBLEM AND WE'LL GET WE'LL GET OUR TOWN MANAGER OR THE APPROPRIATE PERSON.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. BILL BOWERS, MR. BOWERS NAME ADDRESS THREE MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> BOWERS 11AM DROP FIRST I'D LIKE TO THANK.

COUNCIL ENTAILS STAFF DEVOTION FOR THIS TOWN AND I SPEAK TONIGHT ON A MATTER OF TRUST

SPELT T R U S T. >> IT'S A MATTER OF TRUST. >> I'M HERE TO REQUEST THAT YOU HONOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION REGARDING PALMETTO BLUFF IN HIS FILE.

IT'S A MATTER OF TRUST. PLEASE BE ASSURED THAT I AND MY FAMILY HAVE GREAT APPRECIATION FOR PALMETTO BLUFF IN ITS ENDEAVOR DEVERS EVEN PRIOR TO MY MOTHER BEING BORN THERE IN 1933 WHEN MY FATHER WAS A PLANTATION MAN AND GRANDFATHER WAS PLANTATION MANAGER.

WE WELCOME THE NEW OWNERS AND SINCERELY HOPE THEIR STEWARDSHIP WILL RESPECT ALL THE THINGS MENTIONED BY THE REALLY DISTINGUISHED SPEAKERS HERE TONIGHT.

BUT I MUST REPORT ON WHAT I OBSERVE FROM PALMETTO BLUFFS CURRENT VOTING PRACTICES PALMETTO BELLA CURRENTLY OPERATE SIGNIFICANT MAGNIFICENT MODIANO IN A DISRESPECTFUL, HARMFUL, UNSAFE AND UNLAWFUL MANNER. THEY PASS TOO CLOSE TO BOATS.

PEOPLE DOCKED AND LEAVE DESTRUCTION IN THEIR RIDICULOUSLY LARGE WAKES.

IN CONTRAST, LAW ABIDING CITIZENS ARE FORCED TO MOVE BOATS TO SAFER AREAS.

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>> IT IS THEREFORE WITH RESPECT TO THIS COUNCIL THAT I MADE TO REQUEST ONE POUND BLUFF MARINE PROPOSALS BE REJECTED OUTRIGHT AND TWO EXISTING AGREEMENTS RESCINDED UNTIL SUCH HAM PALMETTO BLUFF DEMONSTRATES SAFE RESPECTFUL AND LAWFUL OPERATION OF ITS MOTOR YACHT.

I WOULD APPRECIATE ACCEPTANCE OF THESE REMARKS IN FORWARD ARE APPROPRIATE COMMISSIONS COMMISSIONERS AGENCY'S AND COMMITTEES WITH RESPECTIVE STATE GOVERNMENTS ETC.

CONCERNED WITH APPROVING THEIR ASPIRATIONS. FINALLY, LET ME EXPLAIN THE RELEVANCE IF WE ARE UNABLE TO EXPECT RESPECTFUL LAWFUL OPERATION OF BOTH, HOW ON EARTH CAN WE EXPECT RESPECTFUL COMPLIANCE WITH THE SERVILE PRIVATE GREEN WHICH AS WE SEE THIS WEEK AND WOULD EXPECT IN THE FUTURE ARE REALLY NOT AGREEMENTS IN THEIR VIEW THERE INCREMENTAL STEPS IN CONTINUING IN A DIRECTION THAT THE CITIZENS OF THIS AREA ARE

HIGHLY SUSPECT AND CONCERNED. >> OVER THEIR IMPACT ON OUR ENVIRONMENT IN OUR WAY OF LIFE.

>> THANK YOU. IT LOOKS LIKE MY TIME IS GOING TO GET 14 MORE SECONDS.

>> QUESTION DOYLE. THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AT A STATE LEVEL.

>> THANK YOU EMAIL. I NEVER THOUGHT I'D BE IN ANOTHER PUBLIC MEETING BUT I

WAS OKAY. >> IS IT BETTER BACK THERE OR OVER HERE BECAUSE HE'S BEEN ON BOTH SIDES. IS IT EASIER TO COMPLAIN? THANK YOU, BILL.

JANE HESTER AND I NOW YOU KNOW THE RULES THREE MINUTES. >> NAME AND ADDRESS IN THREE

MINUTES JANE. >> GOOD EVENING JANE HESTER HATE HOW MAD BEACH DRIVE

BLUFFTON, SOUTH CAROLINA. >> AND ONCE AGAIN I AM BEFORE YOU TO REQUEST DENIAL OF PALMETTO BLUFFS. NEW OWNERS AMENDMENT TO THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT WHICH WOULD ALLOW FUEL OVER WATER AND ADDITIONAL DRY DOCK STORAGE. I HAVE LISTENED TO EACH PRESENTATION BY THE ENGINEERS AND OTHERS FROM PALMETTO BLUFF IN WHICH THEY STRESS THINGS PALMETTO BLUFF GAVE UP. I WANT TO REMIND THE COUNCIL THAT PALMETTO BLUFF DID NOT GIVE UP ANYTHING. INDEED THEY TRADED YES IN TRADE FOR JOINING THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON. WHERE WERE THEY WOULD HAVE MORE SWAY AND IN GETTING HIGHER DENSITY THAN ONCE ALLOWED BY B FOR COUNTY. THEY AGREED TO LIMIT ACCESS TO AND PROTECT THE SURROUNDING WATERS OF PALMETTO BLUFF. NOW THE NEW OWNERS WISH TO ABANDON THAT CRITICAL ELEMENT IN THE DEAL THEY STRUCK AND HAVE THE STRICTLY FORBIDDEN FUEL OVER WATER AND ADDITIONAL DRY DOCK STORAGE. I HEARD THEM SAY THAT DRY DOCK SPARK WAS MORE ECO FRIENDLY AND A PERVERT. OUR PREFERRED METHOD OF STORAGE FOR CLEAN WATER. BUT NOWHERE DID I HEAR THEY WERE ALSO WILLING TO GIVE UP WET SLIPS IN EXCHANGE. RATHER THIS METHOD ALLOWED EVEN MORE BOATS TO ACCESS THE FACILITY. I ALSO HEARD THIS MARINA WAS TO BE A BENEFIT FOR THE RESIDENTS OF PALMETTO BLUFF BUT IF MEMORY SERVES AND I JUST LOOKED IT UP 64 OF THE OCR AND PERMITTED

SPACES WERE FOR TRANSIENT BOATERS. >> OF COURSE THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON HAS ALREADY OKAYED 400 SLOTS FOR PALMETTO BLACK RESIDENTS AND AN UNNAMED NUMBER

FOR TRANSIENT BOATS. >> I HAVE RECEIVED, HOWEVER NO ANSWER TO A QUESTION THAT I POSED AT THE LAST MEETING OF THE PLAN BOARD AND THAT QUESTION WAS HAVE THE RESIDENTS AND PROPERTY OWNERS OF PALMETTO BLUFF HAD A CHANCE TO VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY APPROVE OF THIS MARINA AS IT IS DRAWN AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY LIKE THE NEW FUEL OVERWASH WATER?

>> I WOULD LIKE SOME SPECIFIC ANSWERS FROM PALMETTO BLUFF ABOUT THIS SUCH AN ENORMOUS

FACILITY CANNOT COME WITHOUT ENVIRONMENTAL CONSEQUENCES. >> BUT I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT UP TO OTHERS MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE THAN I TO EXPLAIN THOSE CONCERNS.

>> BUT I ASK IS THIS REALLY WHAT'S BEST FOR BLUFFTON OUR FATE AND THE FATE OF OUR

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FULLY MANUAL NAME AND ADDRESS. >> AINSLEY FOR THE RECORD WE KNOW YOU IN THREE MINUTES.

GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. AINSLEY MANUAL 1 0 4 PRITCHETT STREET GOOD EVENING MAYOR SULFUR AND THE REST OF THE COUNCIL.

PLEASURE TO SPEAK TONIGHT. I DID EMAIL YOU ALL. I'M HOPING YOU GOT THE EMAIL BUT BASICALLY IT WAS TO ADVISE YOU ALL TO REVISIT THEIR ORIGINAL AGREEMENT AND LOOK AT THE SECOND AMENDMENT AND REVISIT OLD NEWSPAPER ARTICLES ABOUT THE ANNEXATION BECAUSE AGAIN THE DEAL WAS THEY WERE GETTING IN AND THEY HAD TO BE ANNEXED AND THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT. THE TOWN WAS ALLOWING A HIGHER DENSITY IN EXCHANGE FOR LIMITED DOCK EDGE AND WATERSIDE ACTIVITIES. I'D LIKE TO FIRST GO INTO THE GASOLINE FUEL OVER WATER BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE DEVELOPERS HAVE BEEN SAYING IS WELL BOATS WOULD HAVE TO GO EIGHT MILES TO GET THEIR NEAREST FUEL BUT THAT'S NOT SO THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO BUILD A FUEL FACILITY INLAND NEAR THE MARINA.

SO TO ME IT SEEMS LIKE THE ONLY BOATS THAT ARE BEING PROHIBITED FROM FUELING WE'LL SAY WITHOUT EASY FUELING OR MAYBE YACHTS BECAUSE THE REST OF US BLUFFTON.

>> WE HAVE TO GO TO THE GAS STATION, FUEL UP AND THEN PUT OUR BOATS IN.

SO THAT'S NOT WHAT'S BEING LIMITED AND THIS REQUEST. THEY DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO GET

FUEL NEAR THE MARINA. >> IT JUST HAS TO BE ON THE LANDLORD'S SIDE.

SECONDLY, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION ABOUT THE SECOND DRY STACK FACILITY. PERHAPS THERE WAS SOME TRADE OFF THERE, MAYBE TAKING SOME OF THE BOATS LIPS AND ALLOWING THE SECOND DRY STACK IN AN EFFORT TO GET BOATS OFF THE WATER. I WOULD JUST SAY IF YOU ALL ARE GOING TO ENTERTAIN THAT YOU NEED TO STICK TO WHAT IS GOING TO BE PERMITTED BY THE STATE BECAUSE THE STATE CAME BACK WITH THE LAST PERMIT. I THINK IT WAS 187 BOAT SLIPS. THAT'S FAR LESS THAN 400.

SO I JUST THINK THE PERCENTAGE NUMBER ISN'T THE NUMBER YOU NEED TO GO BY.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO CONSIDER THAT IT HAS TO BE WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE PERMITTED TO HAVE BY STRIPS THE STATE REGULATORS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME CHECHESSEE WHITE ENERGY WALKUP.

NAME AND ADDRESS JESSE IN THREE MINUTES PLEASE. >> SOUTH CAROLINA WE APPRECIATE THAT SOUTH STREET LISTENED TO COMMUNITY CONCERNS AND REMOVED THEIR REQUEST FOR NEW WATER ACCESS ON DOUGHBOY AND LONG ISLAND'S HOWEVER DOCKSIDE FUELING IN A NEW DRY STACK POSE SUBSTANTIAL AND UNNECESSARY RISKS. WE URGE YOU TO DENY THESE CHANGES BECAUSE THEY'RE INCOMPATIBLE WITH THEIR ORIGINAL VISION FOR PERMANENT BLUFF AND INCONSISTENT WITH ITS GOVERNING DOCUMENTS AND THE TOWN'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SINCE INCEPTION. PALMETTO BLUFF HAS BEEN CHERISHED AND HELD UP AS UNIQUELY SPECIAL IN TERMS OF ITS DIVERSE NATURAL RESOURCES IN TERMS OF ITS VAST WATERWAYS AND VIEW SHEDS AND IN TERMS OF THE WIDESPREAD RECOGNITION OF WHAT OF THE IMPLICATIONS THAT DEVELOPMENT CAN HAVE ON THOSE RESOURCES PARTICULARLY THE WATER QUALITY OF THE MAY COOPER AND NEW RIVERS. EVERYONE AGREE THAT DEVELOPMENT MUST BE CAREFULLY UNDERTAKEN WITH KEEN SENSITIVITY TO PROTECTING THE ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCES OF THE PROPERTY. AND AS THOSE CORE VALUES THAT HAVE CREATED AND CAPPED PALMETTO BLUFF AS SUCH A DESIRABLE AND VALUABLE PLACE TO LIVE AND ENJOY TODAY SOUTH STREET'S REQUESTING CHANGES THAT ARE CONTRARY TO THE SENSITIVE NATURE AND CORE VALUES OF THE PROPERTY. THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT CONTEMPLATED A SINGLE DRY STOCK AND EXPLICITLY PROHIBITED DOCKSIDE FUELING. THESE WERE KEY COMMITMENTS UNDER THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT LIFTING THOSE RESTRICTIONS NOW COULD HAVE A DOMINO EFFECT ON THE INTENSITY OF WATER USE AND DEVELOPMENT ON THE SOUTHERN END OF PALMETTO BLUFF AND BEYOND THE TOWN WELL KNOWS THE CHALLENGES THAT COME WITH RAPID GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT.

THEY EXISTING AGREEMENT PROTECTS THE TOWN FROM UNFETTERED AND UNWISE GROWTH AND WE RECOMMEND THOSE PROTECTIONS BE RETAINED. THE PROPERTY KNOWING THE TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THEY SHOULD NOT BE PERMITTED TO MAKE CHANGES NOW THAT ARE SOLELY FOR PRIVATE GAIN AT THE EXPENSE OF PUBLIC RESOURCES. A NEW DRY STACK IN DOCKSIDE FEELING POSE SIGNIFICANT RISK TO WATER QUALITY AND THREATEN IRREPARABLE DAMAGE TO THE PRISTINE AND HIGHLY UNIQUE NEW RIVER ESTUARY. WHILE A MARINA BIG HOUSE ANSON HAS LONG BEEN PART OF THE PLANS DOCKSIDE FUELING AND A NEW DRY STACK WERE NEVER PART OF THOSE

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WE HAVE CONFERRED WITH THE OFFICIALS THE CHANGES WOULD REQUIRE THE APPLICATION TO GO BACK OUT ON PUBLIC NOTICE. THIS IS BECAUSE DOCKSIDE FUELING THE NEW DRY STACK ARE MORE INTENSE. WATER USES THAT COME WITH MORE SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS. A NEW ASSESSMENT IS WARRANTED AND REQUIRED THE SIZE AND SCALE MARINA CONTEMPLATED BY SORCERY IS INAPPROPRIATE WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THIS ECOLOGICALLY VALUABLE LANDSCAPE. IN ADDITION, AT LEAST FIVE DEEPWATER MARINAS WITH DOCKSIDE FUELING ALREADY EXIST ON NEARBY HILTON HEAD. WE ALSO HAVE CONCERNS THAT A MAJOR MARINA WILL INEVITABLY LEAD TO DREDGING OF THE NEW RIVER DUE TO LIMITED NOVICK ABILITY AT MITCHELL LOW TIDE AND A DESIRE TO TARGET LARGE VESSELS FROM THE INTERCOASTAL WATERWAY. APPROVING THESE CHANGES WILL UNDERMINE THE INTEGRITY AND VALUES THAT DEFINE PALMETTO BLUFF AS A HIGH QUALITY ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE COMMUNITY. WE URGE YOU TO UPHOLD THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT AND DENY THESE REQUESTS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AFTER THOR FOSTERED THE WORK ALL WE WANT FOSTER THORP FALLING TWICE.

>> WE WILL CALL HIM AT THE ERIC SUTHERLAND. >> MR. SUTHERLAND MISS.

YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> GOOD EVENING.

>> ERIC SUTHERLAND ONE FIFTY FIVE STALLINGS ISLAND STREET ON PALMETTO BLUFF.

DEAR MEMBERS OF THE TOWN COUNCIL YOUR JUDGMENT AND RESPONSIBILITIES HERE ARE GREAT. YOUR GUIDANCE FOR NEEDED AND THOUGHTFUL DEVELOPMENT COUPLED WITH THE PROTECTION OF THE NATURAL HERITAGE THAT HAS BLESSED BLUFFTON FOR THE FUTURE GENERATIONS IS A HEAVY TASK AT THE LAST MEETING WHICH I ATTENDED AND YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN OVER THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS WEEKS HUNDREDS OF PAGES DOCUMENTS FROM SOUTH STREET PARTNERS TO APPROVE VARIOUS AMENDMENTS WITHOUT CLARIFICATION AND TRANSPARENCY TO A GREAT DEGREE. IF YOU WERE CONFUSED THROUGH ALL THAT WE WERE TO I'VE LIVED

HERE FOR THREE YEARS ON PROPERTY HERE FOR 14 YEARS. >> THE LAST MEETING THE

PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED FOR TO ZERO. >> THE QUESTIONS ARE BEFORE

YOU. >> DOES SOUTH STREET HAVE THE APPROVAL AS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED THAT ALLOWS WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR? ARE THEY PERMITTED FOR FOUR TO FIVE HUNDRED SLIPS JUST BECAUSE 16 YEARS AGO THEY WERE GRANTED THAT 10 PERCENT OF AVAILABLE

HOMES? >> SO IF THEY HAVE 4000 HOMES DOES.

WHAT IF THEY GO TO 5000? THAT MEANS THEY HAVE 500 FIASCOS ARE PERMITTED.

DOESN'T MEAN IT'S A GOOD IDEA. AND LOOKING AT A 16 YEAR OLD STUDY IS LIKE LOOKING AT A NEWBORN AND TREATING THEM EXACTLY THE SAME AS A 16 YEAR OLD TEENAGER.

IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. BLUFFTON, THIS ENTIRE AREA DIDN'T LOOK ANYTHING LIKE IT IS TODAY. MANY OF THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN HERE.

YOU HAVE HAD TO PRESIDE OVER AND THOUGHTFULLY THINK ABOUT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE SERVING THE NEEDS OF THE CITIZENS AND FUTURE CITIZENS AND CITIZENS OF BLUFFTON.

BUT THINGS HAVE CHANGED A LOT AND YOU HAVE SEEN A LOT AND YOU'VE HAD TO MAKE A LOT

OF VERY IMPORTANT JUDGMENTS. >> THE LOCATIONS OF THE SLIPS IN THE DEEP PART ARE IN THE

DEEP PART OF THE NEW RIVER WHICH IS VERY CLOSE TO SHORE. >> SO IF THEY PUT THE SLIPS IN THERE IT IS. IT IS GOING TO BE IN THE DEEP PART OF THE RIVER.

THE RIVER DOES GET WATER IN IT AND WE ALL KNOW THAT FRESHWATER AND SO THEREFORE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE KING TIDES. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MAJOR RAIN AND THAT IS GOING TO BE AND PUT

MORE SIGNIFICANT STRESS ON THE RIVER. >> THE LOW ISLAND LONG ISLAND IS A LOW COUNTRY TREASURE. ASK A HYDROLOGY TEST ANY HYDROLOGIST WHEN YOU CUT DOWN ALL THOSE TREES AND YOU PUT UP 63 HOUSES AND THEN YOU PUT CONCRETE WHICH IS GONNA BE THE BULWARKS THAT ARE GONNA SURROUND IT AND CONCRETE TO SUPPORT ROADS.

THAT IS NOT GOING TO HELP THE ENVIRONMENT. AND SO I ASK YOU TO THINK ABOUT

WHAT THE IMPACT IS GOING TO BE IMMEDIATELY. >> THANK YOU SIR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AARON BROWN. THANK YOU, SIR.

AARON BROWN. SHE'S A HERDER. GOOD EVENING.

>> AS SHE WOULD COME FORWARD, YOU KNOW, NAME ADDRESS THREE MINUTES.

SO GOOD EVENING. >> GOOD EVENING. TOWN COUNCIL MEMBERS MY NAME IS

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FORGIVE ME. I'M BEING REELECTED TO THE TOWN COUNCIL MEMBER ON A HUGE CONGRATULATION GOES TO HEAVEN. MY COUNTERPART FOR HER NEW POSITION AND ALSO THE ASSISTANT TOWN MANAGER CHRIS, IS THAT YOU? CHRIS, HOW YOU DOING?

>> SO I WANT TO START WITH THE VISION STATEMENT BLUFFTON THE HEART OF THE LOWCOUNTRY, A TOWN THAT APPRECIATES THE PAST FOCUS TODAY AND ITS PLAN TOGETHER FOR GREATER FUTURE.

I HOPE THAT IS SO TRUE. SO TRUE. THE MISSION STATEMENT WE TAKE CARE OF OUR CITIZENS, THE TOWN AND EACH OTHER BY CONTINUOUSLY MAKING OUR COMMUNITY AN ORGANIZATION BETTER IF THIS MISSION STATEMENT IS TRUE THEN WHY DOESN'T THE TOWN COUNCIL SUPPORT MORE EVENTS? YOU GUYS THAT YOU TOWN COUNCIL PEOPLE PUT ON? NO, I DON'T SEE YOU GUYS OUT. I'M OUT THERE ALL THE TIME. Y'ALL SHOULD BE WITH ME TO LET ME DO THAT. SO I STAY BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING TO ADDRESS SEVERAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE MISSION STATEMENT THAT HAS BEEN MISREPRESENTED BY THE COUNTY AFTER NUMEROUS MEANS OF COMMUNICATION TO MAY APPROACH HIM.

>> HAMILTON LAST TWO WEEKS IN REFERENCE TO THE EVENT THAT WAS TAKING PLACE.

I WILL SHARE IN A RESPECTFUL MANNER. MY CONCERN THE TOWN COUNCIL MEMBER MR. HAMILTON AND THE BLUFFTON ACTION COMMITTEE BOARD ALLOWED A WELL-KNOWN MEXICAN BAND TO HOST A CONCERT ON THE EAGLES BASEBALL FIELD. THEY'RE BROUGHT OVER THREE THOUSAND PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY WITH NO WARNING, NO CONSIDERATION THAT THIS CONCERT WOULD BE PUT IN OUR COMMUNITY AND PUT IN HARM'S WAY. THE COMMUNITY WAS CAPTURED.

THEY WERE STABILIZED. THEY CANNOT MOBILIZE IN A COMMUNITY.

THIS IS WHAT THE TOWN COUNCIL MEMBER WHO IS ALSO THE CHAIRMAN ON THIS COMMITTEE NO PUBLIC APOLOGY TO THE COMMUNITY HAD BEEN MADE DURING THIS UNPLEASANT SITUATION.

NO REMORSE. ALBERTO ORTEGA, THE PERSON WHO PUT ON THE ORGANIZER GAVE US A PUBLIC APOLOGY. SOMETHING'S BROKEN. SOMETHING IS VERY BROKEN.

THE COMMUNITY IS LOOKING FOR A PUBLIC MEETING WITH THE MAYOR PRO TEM AND THE CHAIRMAN WHO IS THE CHAIRMAN ALSO OF THIS BOARD TO TAKE PLACE SOON SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AS A COMMUNITY TO MAKE CHANGE THAT SHOULD HAPPEN SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED YEARS AGO.

IT'S NO WAY THAT SOME PERSON IS ON THE TOWN COUNCIL PUT PEOPLE IN HARM'S WAY LIKE THAT.

THAT WAS VERY, VERY THOUGHTFUL . SECONDLY, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FOR SOMEONE FROM THE TOWN TO COMMUNICATE WITH A CITIZEN SUCH AS MYSELF? I CALL EMAIL AND I ASK. I WANTED TO ASK QUESTION. NOBODY HAS GOTTEN BACK WITH ME THE LINK TO ME YET. AND LASTLY WE LIVE IN A DIVERSE COMMUNITY WHICH OUR TOWN OF BLOOD DOES. THAT SHOULD BE MORE DIVERSE. SO WE SHOULD HAVE MORE PEOPLE

ON THESE POSITIONS LIKE ALL OF THEM A DIVERSE COMMUNITY. >> I LOOK FORWARD ON NEW TOWN COUNCILMAN HAMILTON COUNTY TO HAVE A MEETING WITH US. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. SHARE AND SHERRY COLBURN. >> THE DECISION NAME AND

ADDRESS PLEASE, MA'AM. >> SHERRY COLBORN 82 BOUNDARY STREET OLD TOWN 48 YEARS.

CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR REELECTION. I TOO WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST

THAT YOU DENY ANYTHING THAT'S BEING REQUESTED. >> THESE RIGHT NOW BY PALMETTO BLUFF. I WAS HERE WHEN IT ALL WENT DOWN AND PARTICIPATED IN THE

TOWN'S I WAS HERE. >> ANYWAY, I AGREE WITH ALL OUR EXPERT OUR BLUFFTON EXPERTS INCLUDING AL STOKES, JIM LAWTON AND MCCRACKEN FRAN BILL LANN, JANE HESTER AND HER DAUGHTER

AND SALLY AND AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU, SHERRY.

REBECCA BAKER, MAKE YOUR NAME ADDRESS YOUR THREE MINUTES. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

THANK YOU. I'M REBECCA BAKER. MY HUSBAND CRAWFORD BAKER OUT THERE. WE LIVE ON A PALMETTO POINT WHICH IS PINE ISLAND IN BLUFFTON. I ALSO SHARE MR. BOWERS COMMENTS ABOUT THE PALMETTO

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YARDS BECAUSE OF THE EROSION. >> I ALSO ATTENDED THE PLANNING MEETING AND ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT ONE OF THE PROPONENTS STATED WAS HAVING THE FUEL DOCK WOULD BE A PLUS TO KEEP IN TRAFFIC LOWER IN THE MAY RIVER BECAUSE THEY CAN GET FUEL IN THE NEW RIVER.

>> LET ME ASK YOU THIS IF YOU'RE SITTING THERE WITH THE NEW BOAT AND A FULL TANK OF GAS, ARE YOU GOING TO STAY IN THE NEW RIVER? NO.

YOU'RE GONNA COME TO THE SANDBAR OR THE MAY RIVER. SO HAVING THAT FUEL DOCK IS NOT

GOING TO DECREASE TRAFFIC IN THE MAIN RIVER. >> SO I ASK THAT YOU AS THE

RIVER OUR TOWN COUNCIL DENY THIS PERMIT. >> I SEE NO REASON TO GRANT THEM ANOTHER INCH BECAUSE WE KNOW AS THE FIVE PRIOR AMENDMENTS THEY WANT WHILE

THANKING OUR STOKES AND LEE THAT TIGER FACE MASK ON. >> YOU CAN LEAD THAT OFF AND SEE THE CLEMSON TIGER. PAUL, DO YOU WANT ME TO LEAVE IT?

OH NO. ONLY TO SEE THE PAUL. >> YOU CAN HOLD IT UP.

I WANT YOU TO SEE I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING RECORDED THAT YOU COULD SEE MY MOUTH.

>> NOW YOU'RE POINTING OUT NAME ADDRESS ALLEN POWELL STOKES 2 0 7 SAW MILL CREEK ROAD BLUFFED.

>> IT'S PLEASURE TO BE HERE TODAY AND TALK ON BEHALF OF THE ESTUARIES HERE IN COUNTY.

I'M A REAL ADVOCATE FOR THE HEALTH OF WATER SYSTEMS AND THEREFORE I OPPOSE PALMETTO BLUFFS MARINAS CHANGES TO THE DEVELOPMENT PROTOCOLS. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR FORTY FIVE YEARS AND ALL MY PROFESSIONAL CAREER ARE DEDICATED TO WATER QUALITY AND OUR FISHERIES AND OUR RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE HERE. WHEN I FIRST MOVED HERE OVER SIXTY THOUSAND PEOPLE NOW THERE'S WATER CLOSE TO TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE AND WE'VE SEEN CHANGES AND WE'VE SEEN CHANGES IN WATER QUALITY PRIMARILY FROM STORMWATER AND THINGS LIKE THAT WHICH REALLY DISTURB ME. ALSO I BELIEVE THAT THE WATERS BELONG TO THE PUBLIC NOT TO SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO BUILD A MARINA AND PUT A FUEL STATION WHICH IS GOOD. ABSOLUTELY JEOPARDIZE WATER QUALITY.

THERE'S SOME RECENT STUDIES THAT JUST CAME OUT OF CHARLESTON LOOKING AT HEAVY DEVELOPMENT RUNOFF STORMWATER CONTAMINANTS, WASTE TREATMENT OF FAILURE, SEWAGE LEAKS, THINGS LIKE THAT AND OVER NINE YEARS 41 PERCENT OF THE WATER QUALITY SAMPLES FAILED.

BASED SOUTH CAROLINA'S HEALTH STANDARDS DID NOT SAVE TO BATHE IN THAT WATER, SWIM IN THAT WATER, CRABBING THAT WATER. IF WE GET A CUT IT COULD IT COULD ACTUALLY DIE FROM IT FROM VIBRIO. SO WE KNOW THAT IT HAS A NEGATIVE IMPACT.

ALSO THERE'S A RECENT STUDY FROM NORTH CAROLINA DOWN ALL THE WAY INCLUDING SOUTH CAROLINA AND GEORGIA WITH OVER THE THINK THE LAST 10 YEARS THERE WERE OVER TO 20 A THOUSAND REQUESTS FOR PERMITS TO BUILD IN THE MARSH DOCKS BULKHEADS, PIERS, THINGS LIKE THAT WHICH HAVE NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON SALTWATER MARSH. AND THAT IS OUR FILTRATION

SYSTEM FOR OUR WATER QUALITY. >> ONE THING THAT I WAS IMPRESSED WITH A FEW YEARS AGO ABOUT A RESEARCHER AND WHO WORKED AROUND THE WORLD LOOKING AT SO PLANKTON AND LARVAL FISH CRUSTACEAN LARVAE ALL THIS. AND WE TOOK HIM OUT INTO THE ESTUARIES AND DRUGGED UP PLANKTON AND HE PULLED IT OFF AND HE EMPTIED THE SAMPLE AND HE SAID OH MY GOD, I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE IN MY WHOLE LIFE. THE WATERS AROUND HERE ARE

NOTHING MORE THAN THE SOUP OF LIFE. >> AND HE SAID WE SHOULD DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO PROTECT IT. AND THAT'S PRIMARILY WHY I OPPOSE ANY KIND OF FUEL STATION ON ANY MARINA BECAUSE IT WOULD JEOPARDIZE FORMER MARINE LIFE HERE THAT I'VE SPENT SO MUCH TIME TRYING TO PROTECT. I HAVE 18 SECONDS.

THANK SHELL VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME AND I HOPE YOU ALL DO THE RIGHT THING.

THANK YOU. >> AND YOUR LAST 10 SECONDS. THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU

DID WITH BY DALE AND I THINK YOU'RE TOO YOUNG TO RETIRE. >> I'M ALSO ON THE MURRAY RIVER

STORMWATER. >> I WAS GOING TO THANK YOU TO MY JOB FOR THE PAY RAISE.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. GREAT HAVE TO BE CHAIRMAN TOGETHER.

>> YES. DID FOSTER THOUGHT COME IN? FOSTER THOUGHT OKAY.

PUBLIC COMMENT IS OVER. WE WILL RESPOND. WE DON'T RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENT BUT WHEN WE GET TO COMMUNICATIONS FOR MAYOR AND COUNCIL WE CAN RESPOND TO ANY

[VIII. Workshop Agenda Items]

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SO OUR WORKSHOP ITEM IS THE ARPA FUNDING. I GUESS ERIC LEFT.

I WAS HOPING HE GOT A COLOMBIAN FIGHT FOR THE REMAINING MONEY WE HAVE SO HE CAN UP OUR DONATION TO THE HOUSING TRUST. CHRIS, THIS IS A WORKSHOP ITEM, GUYS.

HE'S GONNA SHOW THE ARPA FUNDING THAT'S COMING FROM I GUESS THE CARES BACK TO EACH MUNICIPALITY AND COUNTY AND WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT HIS THOUGHTS.

>> BUT EVEN THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL AS YOU ALL RECALL A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO I CAME BEFORE YOU AND DISCUSSED WHAT THE RPA ACT WAS AND WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THE MONEY.

YOU ALL TASKED STAFF AT THE TIME WITH GOING BACK AND COMING UP WITH FIVE OR SIX POTENTIAL AREAS WHERE WE COULD SPEND THOSE MONIES, REALLOCATE THOSE DOLLARS.

>> SO JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND. AGAIN, THIS IS PASSED IN THE WINTER OF 21.

IT'S A DIRECT ALLOCATION FROM THE U.S. TREASURY TO ENTITLEMENT COMMUNITIES WHICH WE FALL INTO BLUFFTON WILL ONE POINT NINETY NINE. AND AGAIN THAT'S AROUND 10 MILLION MUSLIMS. WE INITIALLY WERE ALLOCATED AND I DISCUSSED THOSE REASONS AT THE LAST MEETING WE RECEIVED HALF OF THAT THIS JUNE AND WE'LL SEE IF THE NEXT HALF IN JUNE 2022 AND USED FOR ELIGIBLE COSTS INCURRED BY DECEMBER 30 FIRST OF 20 FOR FULL IS DONE BY DECEMBER OF 2026 OVERALL OBJECTIVES THE PROGRAM IS SUPPORT COVID 19 RESPONSE REPLACE LOST PUBLIC SECTOR REVENUE SUPPORT IMMEDIATE ECONOMIC STABILIZATION AND

ADDRESS SYSTEMIC PUBLIC HEALTH AND ECONOMIC CHALLENGES. >> AGAIN THESE BRIEFLY THE ALLOWABLE USES THESE ARE THE CATEGORIES THEY FORCE REPLACE LOST REVENUE SUPPORT PUBLIC HEALTH RESPONSE WATER AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE BROADBAND IMPACTS EQUITY FOCUSED SERVICES

AND PREMIUM PAY FOR NO WORKERS NO. >> I BROUGHT THIS SIDE UP AGAIN BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT NOTE THAT THE LOSS OF REVENUE IS BASED ON THE TREND OF REVENUE GROWTH OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS AND AS SUCH WE COULD MAKE A CASE TO CLAIM ALL THE DOLLARS THAT WE RECEIVE AS LOST REVENUE AND WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE ONCE WE DO THAT IT OPENS UP A LOT MORE AREAS WHERE WE CAN SPEND THOSE DOLLARS TO SUPPORT THE BLUFFTON COMMUNITY.

THERE'S A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS AROUND THE USE OF IT DIRECTLY FOR OTHER PROGRAMS LISTED UNDER ARPA SOME CONSIDERATIONS I WAS LOOKED POTENTIAL USES OBVIOUSLY OUR ALLOCATION IS SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THAN WE INITIALLY ANTICIPATED THE STATE WE APPROACHED THE STATE ABOUT MAKING UP THE DIFFERENCE FROM THERE ARE FOUR DOLLARS AND THAT'S STILL UNCERTAIN.

WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN RESPONSE TO HOW THAT'S GOING TO GO YET SO WE COULD STILL GET SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING AND WE COULD NOT WE'RE NOT SURE WHERE THAT STANDS RIGHT NOW.

USING LOST REVENUE CRITERIA OPENS BAR OR UP LEVEL FLEXIBILITY AS I DISCUSSED.

AND OUR GOAL IS TO FOCUS ON ISSUES THAT STILL SUPPORT THE SPIRIT OF THE LAWS INTACT.

SO OBVIOUSLY WE'LL DO THINGS THAT MAY BE A LITTLE OUT OF THE THE PARAMETERS OF ARPA AS WE

USE IT FROM THE LOST REVENUE BUCKET OF MONEY. >> WE WANT TO STAY IT STAY WITHIN THE SPIRIT OF THE LAWS INTENT AND OBVIOUSLY OUR OVERALL GOALS ARE ADJUSTING THE IMPACT TO OUR COMMUNITY AND ALSO ADJUST SOME EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS ISSUES THAT WE WE HAVE CURRENTLY THOUGH THE FIRST CARRIER IS SUPPORTING OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES.

>> WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO PROPOSE.

ONE IS A REVOLVING LOAN FUND. THIS WOULD BE A SEED FUND THAT CAN SERVE AS A REVOLVING LOAN FUND THAT COULD SUPPORT LOCAL BUSINESSES AS THEY LOOK TO PURCHASE FACILITIES OR EQUIPMENT OR THEY CAN PRESENT TO US A CASE FOR LOST REVENUE DUE TO COVERED FOR A SMALLER GRANT. AND THIS COULD BE POSSIBLY SERVICED EITHER INTERNALLY OR WITH A LOAN SERVICER TO DEVELOP THAT CRITERION THAT THOSE THOSE LOAN APPLICATIONS.

SECOND IS THE BUSINESS CONVERSION TRAINING GRANT PROGRAM AND THE IDEA HERE IS THAT WE COULD OFFER SMALL GRANTS TO LOCAL ENTREPRENEURS WHO WANT TO GO THROUGH A INCUBATION PROGRAM OR A BUSINESS TRAINING PROGRAM TO HELP THEM MAKE IT THROUGH THAT STARTUP PHASE OF THEIR BUSINESS LOOKING AT SUPPORTING LOCAL NONPROFITS.

>> WE'VE HAD SEVERAL NONPROFITS APPROACHES DISCUSSING THE IMPACT THE NEGATIVE IMPACT OF CORBETT ON THIS GRANT PROGRAM BE SIMILAR TO THE BUSINESS SIDE OF GRANT OF FOCUSED ON NONPROFIT SOLELY AND AGAIN THEY WOULD PRESENT A CASE FOR LOSS RESOURCES OR INCOME BECAUSE OF OCTOBER 19 THEY COULD ALSO PURCHASE USE IT PURCHASE EQUIPMENT OR OTHER PROGRAMMATIC SUPPLIES OR INVENTORY. AND THIS IS ALSO A GREAT PROGRAM THAT COULD BE A POTENTIAL PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY FOUNDATION A LITTLE COUNTRY HELP MANAGE THAT PROCESS OF DISTRIBUTING THOSE DOLLARS, ALSO SUPPORTING OUR EMPLOYEES ARE ON THE FRONTLINES OF CONTINUING GOVERNMENT SERVICES IN THE FACE OF THE

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PANDEMIC. >> THIS IS A QUALIFIED USE OF OUR BIG DOLLARS.

THE IDEA HERE IS PROPOSED HAZARD PAY. THE LAW STATES THAT YOU CAN DO UP TO 13 DOLLARS PER HOUR FOR WORKERS THROUGHOUT THE PANDEMIC.

WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS SIGNIFICANT LESS THAN THAT BUT STILL SIGNIFICANT TO EACH INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEE. AND AGAIN HERE THIS IS RECOGNIZED IN FACT THAT OUR EMPLOYEES HAVE ROUTINE DIRECT EXPOSURE TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS MATERIALS HANDLED BY THE PUBLIC THROUGHOUT THE PANDEMIC AND ALSO THE CONTINUITY OF GOVERNMENT SERVICES UNDER CHALLENGING CONDITIONS THAT WERE OUTSIDE OF THE NORMAL EXPECTATIONS OF THEIR THEIR JOB CONTRACTS. PAY WILL BE BASED ON HOURS WORKED BETWEEN THIS PERIOD TIME. WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT THE PERIOD TIME AFTER JUNE FROM JULY TO THE END OF THIS YEAR WITH NEXT YEAR'S ALLOTMENT OF MONEY AS WELL.

BUT DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM I HAVE TWO DIFFERENT SCENARIOS. THE IDEA HERE IS YOU KIND OF SCALE THE THE BONUS PAY WARRANT OFFICERS OBVIOUSLY ARE ON THE FRONT LINES

OF PROTECTING OUR COMMUNITY IN SPITE OF THE ONGOING PANDEMIC. >> SO THEY BE AT THE TOP TIER.

YOU HAVE FRONTLINE EMPLOYEES. THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS THAT REGULARLY INTERACT WITH THE PUBLIC OR ITEMS THAT ARE COME IN CONTACT WITH THE PUBLIC THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WHETHER IT BE INSPECTORS OR THE FOLKS THAT HAVE TO PROCESS THE PLAN PERMITS AS WELL AS BUSINESS LICENSES UPFRONT AND THE NON SWORN INDIVIDUALS THAT WORK AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THEN YOU HAVE THE SUPPORT EMPLOYEES AT THE BOTTOM TIER THESE INDIVIDUALS THAT MAY NOT REGULARLY INTERACT WITH THE PUBLIC AN ONGOING BASIS BUT THEY'RE PUT IN DIFFICULT CHALLENGING POSITIONS TO CONTINUE OUR GOVERNMENT SERVICES AND UNIQUE AND UNIQUE WAYS. AND SO ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE. WE HAVE A PROPOSAL THAT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE COST ABOUT HALF A MILLION OF THE DOLLARS AND THEN A LOWER DOLLAR THRESHOLD IN THE RIGHT HAND SIDE THERE WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT LESS AND WE CAN WE CAN LOOK AT THIS IN VARIOUS DIFFERENT WAYS. BUT THESE ARE JUST A COUPLE OPTIONS FOR A SUPPORTING

AFFORDABLE HOUSING. >> AS ERIC DISCUSSED EARLIER THE HOUSING TRUST FUND, WE WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE THE FUNDING FOR THE FIRST AND SECOND YEAR AND THAT POSSIBLY THIRD YEAR AS WELL. OBVIOUSLY THE OUR FUNDING IS SNIFFING LESS THAN WHICH IT WAS INITIALLY PLANNED AND SOON TO BE LESS THAN OUR PEER GOVERNMENTS ARE AROUND US WHICH IS WHY THE INITIAL SEED IS SO MUCH LESS WHICH HE TALKED ABOUT IN HIS PRESENTATION.

ALSO WE HAVE A AFFORDABLE HOUSING PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP THAT IS ONGOING AND WE'RE STILL IN NEGOTIATIONS ABOUT. BUT THERE'S A GIVEN THE RISING CONSTRUCTION COST THERE IS POTENTIAL FOR A NEED OF ADDITIONAL DOLLARS TO HELP

SUPPORT THAT PROJECT. >> AND FINALLY EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS.

WE HAVE AN AGING GENERATOR AT THE EMERGENCY CENTER OPERATIONS CENTER BELIEVE OVER A DECADE OLD AND IT DOESN'T CURRENTLY POWER THE ENTIRE FACILITY. THE POWER SHOULD GO OUT.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY REPLACING THAT AS WELL AS A GENERATOR FOR TOWN HALL WHICH DOESN'T EXIST CURRENTLY TO CONTINUE OPERATIONS IN CASE OF A PREGNANCY.

THOSE THERE'S THE THOSE ARE THE PROPOSALS AGAIN THIS YEAR ARE THE ITEMS THAT I JUST WANT OVER FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION LOOKING JUST FOR YOUR FEEDBACK TONIGHT ,SEE IF YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK IF WE NEED TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AND THEN HOPEFULLY IN DECEMBER OR JANUARY WE'LL BRING FORTH TO YOU THE PROPOSAL FORMAL PROPOSALS ALONG WITH BUDGET AMENDMENTS AND IF I MAY GO BACK TO THE TWO TWO DIFFERENT GROUPS OF EMPLOYEES DON'T FORGET THAT LARRY PAGE I

CAN'T FIND IT ON MY DOCUMENTS LAST NIGHT. >> SO THIS WOULD BE A ONE TIME BONUS, SO TO SPEAK FOR THE BRACKET SUPPORT EMPLOYEES WHO KNOW ALL THE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF THAT WORK BEHIND THE SCENES SO THEY'RE NOT THE ONES GOING OUT TO JOB SITES OR HANDLING THE FRONT DESK UP HERE BUT THERE IS ALL THIS OTHER SUPPORT IN PLACE WITHIN TOWN HALL AT THE FRONTLINE EMPLOYEES WOULD BE THE GUYS WORKING OUTSIDE AT YEAR PUBLIC WORK

OF ART WORK. >> IN FACT MY GOD TEAM IS STILL HARD TO COME IN AND SUPPORT.

PLEASE CUSTOMER SERVICE MAKE KNOWING THAT THEY ACTUALLY DO HAVE TO GO.

RIGHT. RIGHT. WHILE EVERYBODY ELSE KIND OF LOW PAID TIME OFF BEFORE THEY WORKED EVERY DAY. RIGHT.

RIGHT. >> AND AGAIN THIS IS BASED ON HOURS WORKED.

SO THOSE THAT PUT IN EXTRA HOURS AND OVERTIME WOULD BE PROPERLY COMPENSATED AS PART

OF THIS FORMAL QUESTIONS. >> QUESTION FOR STEPHEN IS WILL ,HOW DO YOU PROPOSE TO TO ADJUST THE EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT I SENT TO THE 13 985 AS. YEAH, THIS IS BROUGHT UP A FEW

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SO ALTHOUGH WE'RE NOT TIED TO IT BECAUSE IT'S IT'S IT'S LIKE WE'RE APPLYING TO FEDERAL AGENCIES. OUR APPROACH IS THAT THROUGH THE SUPPORT OF NONPROFITS AS WELL AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING WE COULD TARGET THOSE DEMOGRAPHICS TO PROVIDE ASSISTANCE.

UNFORTUNATELY SINCE WE ARE RECEIVING SO MUCH LESS DOLLARS THAN WHAT WE INITIALLY WERE EXPECTING. WE'RE TRYING TO PROPOSE PROGRAMS THAT MAKE THE DOLLAR GO FURTHER THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY RATHER THAN TRY AND MAKE DISTINCTIONS BY AN INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTS OF BLUFFTON AND PROVIDING SUPPORTS INDIVIDUALLY ARE PRO-CHOICE TO SUPPORT NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS THAT SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY MORE BROADLY AND APPROACH IT THAT WAY. IS THERE ANY ROOM TO RAISE THAT PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE ON YOUR OWN YOU PUT UP ONE NOT ONE THINK IT WAS UNITY FOUNDATION. THERE'S MANY OTHER.

>> SO THIS THIS IS THIS IS BE A PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM TO MANAGE THAT JUST DISTRIBUTION OF FUNDS THAT WHAT WE WOULD DO IS TRY TO TAKE NONPROFITS FROM LOBBYING COUNCIL TO GIVE THEM FUNDS AND ACTUALLY CREATE SOME BUT SOME I LIKE COMMUNITY FOUNDATION AND LOW COUNTRY BE THE ONE TO ADMINISTER AND REVIEW AND APPROVE AND TAKE CARE THAT WAY VERSUS US PICKING AND CHOOSING NONPROFITS AND HAVING THEM BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY GETTING APPLICATION REQUESTS FROM NONPROFITS THAT ARE WANTING A SMOOTHER PROCESS BUT THERE HAVE TO BE SOME PARAMETERS OF HOW

AND WHO THEY GIVE MONEY. >> YES SIR. SO HOW DO HOW DO WE PUT THOSE PARAMETERS ON THE TABLE? SO WE WOULD DRAFT WHATEVER THE PARAMETERS ARE WE KNOW WE AS

WHO THE TOWN WE YEAH. >> AND THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO KIND OF DISCUSS TONIGHT AND MAKE SURE LIKE HE SAID IF WE WANT TO DO THE NONPROFIT ASSISTANT GRANTS.

>> THAT WAS SOMETHING COUNCIL WAS INTERESTED AND WE COULD GO AND SET UP THE PARAMETERS IF IT WAS FOR FOR EXAMPLE WE'VE HAD ONE THAT'S REACH OUT TO US ABOUT SOME EQUIPMENT THEY NEED TO PURCHASE TO BETTER RESPOND TO KOBY THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT MAKING THAT A POTENTIAL FUNDING FOR THAT FUND THAT THEY COULD APPLY FOR AND GET THAT FUNDING FROM WHOEVER'S MANAGING WHETHER IT'S COMMUNITY FOUNDATION OR WHETHER IT'S US HOWEVER THAT WORKS WE'D SET THOSE PARAMETERS AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE OF THE FUNDING MAYBE WE'LL GIVE YOU WILL BE JUST TODAY THE PRIMARY WE LOOKED AT DO YOU HAVE THAT WHILE HE'S

LOOKING FOR THAT? >> WHAT WOULD BE THAT? WOULD THAT BE ONLY FOR NONPROFITS WITHIN THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON? YES, RIGHT.

>> THAT WOULD I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD HELP RESIDENTS IN THE TOWN BECAUSE WE A NONPROFIT THAT SCATTERED THROUGH THE COUNTY. SO YOUR IDEA WOULD BE TO VET IT WITH US AT A WORKSHOP OF SOME SORT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THOSE REAL PARAMETERS ARE TO ENSURE

THEY'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO OUR RESIDENTS NO ONE OUT OF TOWN. >> CORRECT.

WE WOULD PUT THOSE PARAMETERS TOGETHER AND COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND MAKE SURE THAT LIKE LIKE HE SAID WE BRING YOU SOMETHING MORE FORMAL. THIS IS DIRECTION COUNCIL'S WILLING TO GO. WE WOULD PUT MORE PARAMETERS IN PLACE THOSE GUIDELINES AND IN BRINGING ABOUT THE COUNCIL TO A MAN. MAKE SURE YOU'RE GOOD WITH

BEFORE WE ADOPT AND MOVE FORWARD. >> WELL, HE'S LOOK IN THAT ARE YOU CLOSE ACTIVELY AND HAD A QUESTION DID GAVIN. YEAH.

I WANT TO. AND I THINK YOU MADE MENTION CHRIS TO THE RURAL HOUSING REGIONAL HOUSING TRUST FUND. YOU MADE FUN MENTIONED FUNDING FOR YEAR 1 AND 2 TWO YEARS WHICH IS WHY AS I THINK I HAD MADE THAT NOTE TO DO SUGGEST THAT THE I GUESS WHAT I'D LIKE

TO SEE IS TAKE TAKE SOME OF THE BIGGER NUMBERS. >> FOR EXAMPLE, YOU COULD TAKE THAT FOUR AND A HALF THOUSAND YOU COULD TAKE THIS RENT AND THIRTY ONE THOUSAND PLUG THAT IN ON ONE OF THESE LINE ITEMS AND TAKE SOME NUMBERS AND SAY THIS IS WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING FOR GRANTS. PUT A NUMBER TO IT BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS WE'RE

RUN OUT OF MONEY QUICKLY. >> YOU KNOW THE TWO MILLION SOUNDS LIKE A BIG NUMBER TO YOU

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MOVE THAT MONEY TO HERE OR WHATEVER. >> WHERE WE STARTED TO DO THAT.

>> WELL, I WANT TO. BEFORE I GOT TOO FAR ALONG IN THAT PROCESS I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I WAS ON THE RIGHT TRACK WITH THE OVERALL DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THAT WERE OPPOSING. I WILL SAY TO YOUR QUESTION COUNSEL HAMILTON IT'S ABOUT 20

PERCENT. >> THE NONPROFIT IS THINGS WILL GO TO A NONPROFIT NONPROFIT AND

I HAVE ONE MORE MAYOR. >> YOU KNOW WHERE IT GETS A LITTLE POSSIBLY CONVOLUTED OR COMPLICATED IS YOU KNOW, I'M ALL I'M I THINK THE MONEY'S HERE TO DO TWO GOOD IS DO GOOD.

>> BUT YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW UNLESS IT SHOWS UP ON THEIR TAX REFORMS OR SOMETHING.

YOU KNOW, OTHER PEOPLE WHETHER NONPROFIT OR WHOEVER THEY MAY HAVE MADE MAY HAVE GOTTEN SOME GOVERNMENTAL ASSISTANCE TO OUR PROCESS. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF MONEY WENT OUT THE DOORS THE PPA, BP, ALL OF THOSE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HOW DO WE KNOW WHETHER THEY'VE RECEIVED THAT KIND OF FUNDING OR NOT YET WOULD BE PART OF THE CRITERIA LIKE THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE A REGISTERED BUSINESS LICENSE.

SO NONPROFITS TECHNICALLY HAVE TO HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE ALTHOUGH IT DOESN'T COST THEM ANYTHING, YOU KNOW THAT BE A CRITERIA YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE PIANO OR THE PIANO AS WELL.

AND MOST NONPROFITS WILL HAVE THAT. THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED ON THEIR

PANEL REGIONAL GRANTS AND. >> AND WOULD WE PAY IT? >> RECEIPT ALMOST LIKE ARE YOU IF THEY SAY I HAVE I'LL SPEND THE BLUFFTON CITY LIMITS AND I'M NOT EVEN THINKING WHO IT IS BUT MAYBE IT'S AN ENTITY SOME IMPACTING LIKE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB THERE IN BLUFFTON.

SO THEY MIGHT NOT SERVE ALL OF BLUFFTON TAXPAYING KIDS BUT THEY DO.

I THINK IT'S A LOT THINK ABOUT IT AND I DO LIKE COMMUNITY FOUNDATION HANDLE IT AT A

HIGHER LEVEL. >> LET ME ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

WE'LL SEE. SO I THINK YOU'VE GOT WHITTLE IT DOWN.

I THINK WE SHOULD ALSO HAVE A LINE ITEM IF WE DO GET THE MONEY.

I TALKED TO BILL HER PERSON LAST WEEK AND HE'S ON THAT COMMITTEE AND HE'S TRYING TO SAY IF THERE IS IT. SO THERE ARE ONLY SEVEN TOWNS IN THE STATE THAT ARE EIGHT THAT DIDN'T GET FULLY FUNDED. SO IF WE GOT FULLY FUNDED OR MAYBE GOT, YOU KNOW, 50 PERCENT MORE, THEN I THINK THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS. I THINK ALL OF US SO WE HAVE MORE MONEY. HOW DO WE HELP ACTUALLY PEOPLE AND THEN DO WE STILL PUT THAT THROUGH THE COMMUNITY FOUNDATION BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO HELP AS MANY AS POSSIBLE BUSINESSES. BUT ONE POINT THAT IS GOING TO GO AWAY I AM 100 PERCENT IN FAVOR OF TAKING CARE OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND ALL THOSE THINGS.

AND I LIKE THE HIGHER NUMBER. I THINK THEY ALL DESERVE IT AS LONG AS THEY WERE HERE DURING THAT TIME. I MEAN I THINK THERE'S GOT TO BE A CUT OFF IF THEY WERE JUST STARTING TODAY OR HERE. SO WE GOT A RELIEF SEE WHAT THAT NUMBER IS.

ESPECIALLY OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND PUBLIC WORKS IN CUSTOMER SERVICE ARE THE ONES THAT WERE

HERE AND NOW GONE. >> HOW DO YOU GO ON? THAT'S GONE.

I HATE IT BUT THEY WERE HERE TOO. SO ARE YOU GETTING WHAT YOU

NEED YET? >> I MEAN I TO GO BACK TO THE RECAP AS I DON'T LIVE AND SEE THAT ON MY THING REALLY YOU KNOW, ARE THESE PROGRAMS THAT IS POOR?

>> ARE THERE THINGS ON HERE THAT YOU LIKE TO SEE ON HERE OR OTHER THINGS ON HERE THAT YOU

DON'T SEE ON? >> IT'S THE BIGGEST THING THAT YOU SAID IF YOU WENT THROUGH AND SAY YOU SAID THE BUSINESS THROUGH LOBBYING REVOLVING LOAN FUND THAT WAS SOMETHING YOU WEREN'T A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE ABOUT. WELL THAT WE CAN REMOVE THAT AND THAT WOULD FREE UP SOME POTENTIAL FUNDING TO GO INTO THAT.

BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE WERE LOOKING THE COUNCIL WAS SUPPORTIVE OF HOW WE OBLIGATE THOSE FUNDS. THAT'S STILL SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DISCUSSED FURTHER.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE RIGHT PROGRAMS, NOT DESCRIBE WHAT BUSINESS REVOLVING LOAN MEANS WHAT BUT WHAT IS BASICALLY YOU SEE THE FUNDS THAT YOU CAN ISSUE BUSINESS LOANS FOR EQUIPMENT OR FACILITIES AND THEY PAY IT BACK WITH INTEREST.

>> BUT TO BE A LOWER INTEREST THAN THEY WOULD GO TO A TYPICAL BANK FOR AND IF IT'S REFUND ITSELF AS THEY PAY IT BACK AND YOU HAVE MORE FUNDS ISSUED AND GO ON FOREVER I MEAN THAT'S ALMOST LIKE GETTING IN THE BANKING BUSINESS WITH IDEAS FOR US.

AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF SMALL BUSINESSES OR STARTUPS OR ENTREPRENEURS OR BUSINESS THAT MAY JUST HAVE FALLEN ON HARD TIMES THAT ACCESS TO TRADITIONAL FUNDING RESOURCES MAY NOT BE AN OPTION FOR THEM. SO THERE'S A LOT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPSE AND IN

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WALL STREET DONE. >> AND I WOULD DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN.

MAYBE NO ONE AT LEAST I KNOW WHAT YOU GET INTO. DON'T PUT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING CAUSE YOU ALL TO BE SO FOCUSED ON THE AMOUNT OF MONEY AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE CAN WE PUT IT THAT REALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE. GENERATORS I DON'T KNOW ARE.

WE'D NEVER YOU CAN'T. I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER USED A GENERATOR.

WHY DO WE NEED TO REPLACE IT? AND WE'VE NEVER USED THAT CONFUSES ME AS TO REASON.

>> I MEAN IT IS OVER AT ALL. I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT CONDITION OF IT BUT ALSO IT DOESN'T IT DOES CURRENTLY DOESN'T POWER THE ENTIRE BUILDING.

SO IF IT IF WE HAD A MAJOR POWER OUTAGE OR A HURRICANE OF WHAT NOT ONLY DO CERTAIN THINGS THAT WOULD STILL POWER WITHIN THE BLOCK THAT IF WE'RE REPLACING A GENERATOR WE NEVER USE. WELL, YOU COULD CUT IT TO YOUR WARRANTY ON IT.

THEY'LL BRING IT BACK TO CAPITAL EXPENDITURES IN THE BUDGET IF YOU WANTED TO.

>> NOT YET. CORRECT. AND ANOTHER OPTION WE'RE CONSIDERING IS IF IF WE REPLACED THAT THEN WE COULD USE THAT GENERATOR HERE AT TOWN HALL. WE'RE LOOKING AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AND WE'RE GETTING ESTIMATES CURRENTLY WHICH STILL HAVEN'T YET. WHY DON'T WE?

>> LET ME MAKE A SUGGESTION. WHEN ARE WE SCRATCH THAT ONE ITEM AND LET IT COME BACK TO

THE BUDGET PROCESS? >> I DO THINK MY NEXT GUEST AND FIRST ITEM TWO BECAUSE I'M WITH LARRY I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO BE IN THE LEARNING BUSINESS BUT GIVE SOMEBODY SOMETHING THAT'S

ONE. >> WELL, THERE YOU GO. >> YOU HAVE ONE TOO.

ARE YOU HAPPY WITH THE OTHER FIVE OPTIONS AND HE CAN START PUTTING DOLLARS TO THAT SO WE CAN REALLY SEE IT. BECAUSE I'VE REALLY ONLY CALCULATED THE HOUSING TRUST FUND. AND TRULY I THINK WE ALL HAVE TO BE ON ON THAT.

LIKE WE'RE ALL IN OR WE'RE NOT IN HAZARD PAY BROTHERS HAZARD PAY BONUS.

>> AND THEN LOOK AT HOW THE OTHERS LINE UP WITH WITH DOLLAR AMOUNTS AND WHAT MAKES SENSE TO

YOUR POINT EARLIER. >> I DON'T HAVE ERIC'S TIME TABLE IN FRONT OF US.

>> HE'S LOOKING FOR THAT ANSWER FOR THE HOUSING TRUST. WHAT WAS YOUR FIRST QUARTER FIRST QUARTER OF NEXT YEAR FIRST QUARTER NEXT YEAR SO WE CAN LEAVE IT WE CAN DO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NARROW IT DOWN TO FIVE AND THAT MADE. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WILL LEAVE US. MAY BE ANOTHER BONUS TO COME BACK IN DISCUSS OTHER ISSUES.

OH, I KNOW WHERE I WAS GOING AT THAT INTERRUPTED BILL MENTIONED WHEN THEY MEET WITH THEIR COMMITTEE THE NINE OR EIGHT TOWNS IF THEY HAVE NOT THAT IT GOES TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUT IF THEY CAN SHOW THAT THEY HAVE SUCCESSFUL AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAM HE'S TRYING TO TIE THAT

TO WHERE THOSE TOWNS CAN GET MORE OF WHAT THEY LOST. >> THAT'S WHAT HE ALLUDED TO IS NOT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. BUT IF WE TRULY HAVE A PROGRAM IN PLACE, I THINK WE DO. SO THAT'S WHERE HE WAS AND HE PROMISED TO KEEP.

I THINK WE ALL CAN FIND HIM TO FIND OUT WHERE WE ARE. SO WE'VE GOT TO STAY ON HIM ON THAT THING. OK. ANYTHING ELSE?

[IX. Communications from Mayor and Council]

I COULD COMMUNICATIONS FROM HERE AND COUNCIL I LOOK TO THE LEFT.

>> THING I'LL LOOK TO THE RIGHT. YES, YES.

LOOK TO THE LEFT. MR. HAMILTON. I JUST WANT TO SAY I'M I'M VERY

HUMBLED TO BE ABLE TO SERVE ANOTHER FOUR YEARS. >> AND I TRULY BELIEVE THAT I SEE ALL OF THE SAME IN A TIME THAT I CAN BE A SERVANT. I TAKE THAT SERIOUSLY AND I TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY SERIOUSLY BECAUSE I HAVE A PASSION AND A COMMITMENT TO GIVE BACK TO MY COMMUNITY A PLACE WHERE I GREW UP. AND I'M HONORED TO HAVE THAT ABILITY TO HELP MAKE IT A BETTER PLACE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT.

>> OH, SO SWEET, FRED. >> GOOD. YEAH, I DID TOO.

FRED SAID WHEN THE AFTER ELECTION NIGHT I THINK WAS ALAN PARKER ONE OF THE PAPERS CALL

ME AND I'M JUST NOT READY TO GO TO SLEEP. >> AND I SAID YEAH I'M VERY HONORED AND HUMBLED BY THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT CAME OUT OF THE VOTE OUT TO VOTE AND THE

ONES THAT TRUSTED ME ENOUGH TO DO WHAT I'M DOING HERE TONIGHT. >> I THINK I'LL JUST KEEP ME IN ME NEXT FOUR YEARS. BUT THAT MIGHT BE ENOUGH FOR ME.

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>> MISS SOUTH CAROLINA IS FROM BLUFFTON. >> WHO KNEW THAT SHE'S GOING TO MISS AMERICA? SO Y'ALL PULLED FOR HER. HER NAME'S JULIA HERE AND SHE'S GOING TO BE IN THE MISS AMERICA PAGEANT. AND SHE'S BEEN SPEAKING TO A LOT OF SCHOOLS ABOUT SOCIAL MEDIA AND BULLYING AND HOW YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE THE SOCIAL MEDIA TICKTOCK QUEEN TO TO ADVANCE YOURSELF ESPECIALLY AS A YOUNG WOMAN.

>> SO IT'S BEEN REALLY NEAT TO HEAR A LOT OF STUDENTS HAVE BEEN SAYING SO WE NEED TO SUPPORT OUR YOUNG BLUFFTON. VETERANS DAY THURSDAY I SAW THE SANDS ON CALHOUN STREET.

I HOPE NO ONE'S PARKING THERE ON THURSDAY BECAUSE THERE'S A PARADE THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN FOR VETERANS DAY. SO PLEASE SUPPORT YOUR VETS. WE HAVE VETERANS PARK.

THAT'S AMAZING. KEVIN AND KIM, CONGRATS. >> AND YOU TOO.

CHRIS AND HEATHER. GREAT CHOICE, STEVEN. GREAT JOB WITH THE TEAM AND I'M

JUST SO THANKFUL ALL OF OUR STAFF. >> THAT'S NEW AND HAS BEEN HERE IN THEORY RIGHT? OK. CONGRATS.

AND FINALLY. AND PAST OFFICER OSCAR FRAZIER IS DOING A TURKEY DROP OFF.

HE'S BEEN DOING IT FOR FIVE YEARS AND I'M GOING TO CHALLENGE EVERYONE TO WAL-MART HAS TURKEYS RIGHT NOW FOR 98 SINCE PAL GO BUY THEM DROP THEM OFF AT BLUFFTON HIGH SCHOOL ON THE 22ND OR AT BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB. IF YOU CAN'T MAKE THE 22ND HE'S HE TAKES HE HAD OVER 200 TURKEYS LAST YEAR. SO WE DID A NEAT LITTLE VIDEO WE'RE GOING TO PUT OUT FOR HIM COLLECTING TURKEYS ON TO GIVE TO THE NEEDY.

SO TRY TO SUPPORT HIM AND WE'LL GET MORE OF THAT ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

I AM SURE THOUGH THAT'S ALL. >> DO YOU TALK ABOUT THE DECEMBER MEETING PLEASE?

>> OK. MAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DECEMBER MEETING OUR CURVED CASES ARE CONTINUING TO STAY LOW. AS YOU ALL TONIGHT WE DO HAVE PUBLIC THAT ARE INTERESTED IN BEING PRESENT. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT OPENING THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS IN DECEMBER TO A LIMITED PERCENT CAPACITY LIKE THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE THOSE THAT WOULD COUNSEL AND TALK ABOUT IF THINGS CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD

ONCE YOU LET US KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW, WE CAN LOOK AT TODAY. >> I MEAN DO YOU EXPECT 10 MORE 20 LIKE EVERY OTHER SEAT OR EVERY TWO SEATS OR MAYBE WE WOULD LOOK SOMETHING LIKE 25 PERCENT CAPACITY OR 40 PERCENT CAPACITY. I'D LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. AGAIN, AS YOU KNOW FROM PAST MEETINGS WE HAVE A TYPICAL NUMBER THAT NORMALLY SHOWS UP A LITTLE HEAVY TONIGHT BECAUSE OF THE PALMETTO BLUFF COMMENTS PUBLIC COMMENT. BUT WE WOULD WANT TO AND SOLELY LOOK AND SEE ABOUT EXPANDING THAT. HOWEVER, AGAIN, WE WILL MONITOR THE CASES AND MAKE SURE WE

START REACHING THE COLD WEATHER SEASON. >> BACK UP AGAIN BEFORE WE MAKE ABOUT. WELL, LIKE MR. MCCRACKEN SAID, THE HELP WE PUT EVERYBODY IN THAT ROOM AND THERE AND DON'T LET HIM COME IN HERE AND THEN WHAT ARE WE REALLY PUSHING?

>> YOU KNOW, TIME AND I WANT TO SPEAK THEN WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT SOME YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE ONLY GOING TO PUT SO MANY PEOPLE IN THE AN AREA AND CROWDED OUT THERE TONIGHT.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. THE NUMBER THAT WE'RE HERE TONIGHT WOULD NOT FIT IN HERE IN YOUR PLAN IF YOU'RE THINKING 25 PERCENT.

SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REALLY FIGURE SOMETHING OUT ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND A MAYBE I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE HOW MANY SEATS WE ACTUALLY HAVE IN HERE AND SEE WHAT WE NEED TO EXPAND ARE THOSE THAT ARE IN ATTENDANCE TO WHERE RIBAUT 25 PERCENT PROBABLY JUST.

>> HOW CAN YOU CAN YOU MAKE THAT DETERMINATION PRETTY CLOSE TO A COUNCIL MEETING LIKE COULD

YOU THINK ABOUT IT IN A WEEK BEFORE COUNCIL? >> NO, WE HAVE TO SUBMIT OUR AGENDA BUT HOW CLOSE TO A COUNCIL MEETING CAN YOU MAKE? LIKE WE NEED TO I WOULD SAY THAT WE COULD DO THAT PROBABLY THE FIRST DECEMBER'S 10 DAY BECAUSE I THINK OUR MEETING IN

DECEMBER IS LIKE THE 9TH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> BUT WE WOULD NEED TO AT LEAST HAVE ENOUGH TIME AS WE ADVERTISE THE AGENDA TO ADVERTISE WHAT THE WHAT THE ACCOMMODATIONS ARE GONNA BE FOR THAT MEETING. SO THAT MEETING IN DECEMBER IS THE 14TH. SO PROBABLY THAT FIRST WEEK OF DECEMBER WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE AGENDA TO NOTIFY THE PUBLIC AT TO STILL ALLOW US ANOTHER TWO THREE WEEK OK.

>> NOT JUST HERE BUT ACROSS THE REGION AND RIGHT NOW THE STATES THE TRAIN AND HELPED FORMAL

[X.1. Consideration of an Ordinance Amending the Town of Bluffton’s Code of Ordinances, Chapter 23 – Unified Development Ordinance, Table of Contents, Article 2 - Administration, Sec. 2.2, Establishment; Article 3 – Application Process, Sec. 3.18 Certificate of Appropriateness – Historic District and Sec. 3.25 Designation of Contributing Structure; Article 4 – Zoning Districts, Sec. 4.2 Zoning District Provisions and Sec. 4.4 Conditional Use Standards; Article 6 – Sustainable Development Incentives, Sec. 6.3 Sustainable Neighborhood Design and, Article 9 – Definitions and Interpretation, Sec. 9.2, Defined Terms Related to Certain Historic Preservation Terms and Definitions – First Reading – Kevin Icard, Director of Growth Management]

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>> YOU JUST DON'T SHORTEN THESE THINGS. KEVIN 0 4 2 SECTION 4 4 ARTICLE 6 SECTION 6 3 ARTICLE NON SECTION 2 THOSE ARE ALL TERMS AND DEFINITIONS.

WE ARE GOING THROUGH A LOT OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION CHANGES IN OUR STUDIO.

THESE ARE FIRST READINGS WORKSHOPPED AT ABOUT A MONTH. YES MA'AM.

SO THE FIRST THREE ITEMS AS YOU KNOW OBVIOUSLY WITH THE AMENDMENT TO THE AGENDA.

SO ON YOUR SHEETS ON THEIR ITEMS 1 2 AND THEN 4 WHICH IS I WANT TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THE PRESENTATION. WE'LL HAVE ALL THREE. I'M GONNA GO THROUGH ALL OF THREE OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME AND AT THE END WE'LL HAVE THREE SEPARATE VOTES.

>> SO I'VE KIND OF BROKEN IT DOWN ONE PRESENTATION, THREE ITEMS, THREE TO HELP WITH MINUTES CAMERA DO I NEED TO READ THROUGH ALL OF THAT JUST RIBAUT TO DISCUSS THAT I READ

THESE THREE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA NOW. >> OK, MAKE SURE JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE VERY THOROUGH. WE'RE READY. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR AND TOWN COUNCIL.

AS YOU STATED, THERE ARE MULTIPLE SECTIONS THAT WE HAVE THIS EVENING THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH A LOT OF THESE ITEMS WE'VE ACTUALLY PRESENTED TO YOU AT THAT WORKSHOP BACK IN OCTOBER . SO MANY PROVIDE A VERY HIGH LEVEL REVIEW OF THIS AND IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY ONE OF THE ITEMS I DO HAVE THE TEXT AVAILABLE THAT WE CAN LOOK AT. SO THE THREE ITEMS THAT WE'RE GOING OVER IS THE TERMS AND DEFINITIONS, THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, THE DESIGNATION AND THEN THE PROACTIVE PRESERVATION. AGAIN, THIS IS ALL RELATED TO THE STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE FBI 21 22 FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION INITIATIVES WHERE WE TALK ABOUT THE ALIGNMENT OF THE LOCAL AND NATIONAL DISTRICT PRACTICE PRESERVATION FINANCIAL INCENTIVES WHICH WE WILL BE DISCUSSING THE BAILEY BILL SOON AND IN DECEMBER WE'LL BE BRINGING BACK THE INCENTIVE PROGRAM THAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE WORKSHOP. WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE PROCESS OF DESIGNATING CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND RESOURCES.

AGAIN, THIS IS JUST FOR JUST KIND OF GETS YOU IN THE RIGHT MINDSET.

THE COLOR ORANGE IS THE NATIONAL DISTRICT THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE THAT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1996 AND THEN IN GREEN IS THE LOCAL DISTRICT WHICH WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2007.

SO FOR THE TERMS AND DEFINITIONS OF HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN BLUE THE NEW ITEMS WE HAVE SOME REVISED DEFINITIONS MORE HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS RELATED TO BUILDING AND STRUCTURE.

I'M NOT GOING TO GO OVER THAT. I'M HAPPY TO. IF YOU LIKE.

BUT WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE AND

HISTORIC RESOURCE. >> SO CURRENT DEFINITION THAT WE HAVE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND I WON'T GO THROUGH THE WHOLE THING BUT WHAT I'VE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED IS IT SAYS IN BLUFFTON HISTORIC 1990 NOMINATION TO THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES OR IN THE MOST RECENT BLUFFTON HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY. AND AS YOU REMEMBER AT THE WORKSHOP WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IS THAT THAT STATEMENT RIGHT THERE? IT MEANS THAT ANY ANY HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY WHICH WE HAVE ONE THAT WE WILL BE PRESENTING IN DECEMBER ONCE THAT IS ADOPTED TECHNICALLY EVERY BUILDING THAT IS SURVEYED WOULD

BE CLASSIFIED AS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. >> THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS CLEAR UP THIS DEFINITION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FOCUS ON THE TWO THOUSAND AND EIGHT SURVEY. THAT IS WHAT WE REFER TO AS THE LIST. WE TALK ABOUT THE LIST OF CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE RIGHT NOW. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO SET THAT BASELINE AND WE'LL PRESENT MORE INFORMATION HERE IN A SECOND FOR YOU. BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ESTABLISHING IS THAT THAT 2008 SURVEY THAT WAS APPROVED BY TOWN COUNCIL THAT ESTABLISHED ALL OF THE LOCAL CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES THAT WE HAVE.

SO I'LL JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH IT QUICKLY SAYS CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IS A STRUCTURE LOCATED IN OLD TOWN BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT WHICH HELPS TO ESTABLISH AND MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF OLD TOWN CONTRIBUTE STRUCTURE MAY NOT BE UNIQUE ITSELF BUT AS PART OF A COLLECTION OF HISTORIC RESOURCES IT ADDS TO THE SENSE TIME, PLACE AND HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT OF THE OLD TOWN BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT POSSESSES HISTORICAL INTEGRITY THROUGH LOCATION DESIGN, SETTING MATERIALS, WORKMANSHIP FEELING AND ASSOCIATION CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES ARE ALL EXCEPT STRUCTURES INCLUDED IN THE 2000 TOWN OF BLUFFTON SURVEY OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES AND ANY STRUCTURES SUBPLOTS SUBSEQUENTLY DESIGNATED BY TOWN COUNCIL CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE SO THAT'S ALSO AN IMPORTANT STATE

IMPORTANT STATEMENT. >> YOU ASK QUESTIONS NOW YOU. I'M HAPPY TO.

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LOTS OF FEELING. SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ASKED THE SAME THING AND THAT HAS BEEN THOROUGHLY VETTED THROUGH THE NATIONAL PARKS SURVEY.

>> YOU SEE ME SERVICE. SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS AND YOU'LL YOU'VE PROBABLY NOTICED IN THE STAFF POOR PLANNING COMMISSION WANTED TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DEFINITION ON FEELING BUT IT WAS CLEARLY ESTABLISHED WE DIDN'T WANT TO PROVIDE A DEFINITION IN THE UTICA THAT'S ALREADY REFERENCED THROUGH THE NATIONAL NATIONAL HIS SHOES THE NATIONAL PARKS SERVICE IF YOU LIKE. GLEN OMEGA IS HERE. HE CAN GET UP AND DESCRIBE FEELING MORE FOR YOU IF YOU'D LIKE. LIKE BLUFFTON CHARACTER I

REMEMBER THOSE THINGS. >> DO WE EVEN NEED THAT WORD? I JUST.

>> SO IT IS IT IS. IT IS. IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE SHIP.

>> YES, MA'AM. SOMEBODY KNOWS THE DEPTH. YES.

SOMEONE VETTED THAT A LONG TIME. >> I JUST I WAS GOING JUST IMAGINE WHAT FEELS GOOD TO ONE MIGHT NOT FEEL GOOD TO THE OTHER.

HOW DOES THAT CARRY ANYWAY? RIGHT. >> IF IF YOU'D LIKE I CAN HAVE GONE UP AND I'M FINALLY GOING TO COME UP AND GIVE JUST A QUICK EXPLANATION OF THAT JUST SAID THAT WHEN YOU SIT CLOSER AND I KNOW WE GOT A LOT TO DO. YES.

>> I CAN GIVE YOU THE DEFINITION OF FEELING IF YOU'D LIKE.

SURE. >> OK, FROM THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE FEELING IS DEFINED AS FEELING IS A PROPERTY'S EXPRESSION OF THE AESTHETIC OR HISTORIC SENSE OF A PARTICULAR PERIOD OF TIME TO HAVE THE ASPECT OF FEELING A CANDIDATE OR PROPERTY MUST HAVE SURVIVING PHYSICAL FEATURES THAT EXPRESS ITS HISTORICAL CHARACTER AND HELP THE VISITOR EXPERIENCE AN

AWARENESS OF THE HISTORY AND ITS IMPORTANCE. >> ARVIN GARVEY FEEL YOUR FEELINGS. PLEASE JUST LOOK AT ADAM BECAUSE HE'S GOT ALL THE OTHER CLASSIFICATIONS OR IT WOULDN'T BE IN THERE RIGHT? WAS JUST A DESCRIPTION.

YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. SORRY TO KEEP YOU ON. YES SIR.

NO PROBLEM. NO, THAT WAS A GREAT QUESTION. I GOT.

SO NEXT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE SO A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IS A BUILDING STRUCTURE SITE OBJECT FEATURE OR OPEN SPACE AS DETERMINED BY TOWN COUNCIL THAT ADDS TO THE HISTORIC ASSOCIATIONS ARCHITECTURAL QUALITIES ARE ARCHEOLOGICAL VALUES THAT RELATE TO THE DOCK DOCUMENTS SIGNIFICANCE OF OLD TOWN BLUFF AND HISTORIC DISTRICT CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES ARE SHOWN ON THE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES MAP FOR THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON AS AMENDED BY TOWN COUNCIL. NOW AGAIN SHOWN THIS MAP AGAIN SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE. SO ALL CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES ARE A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE. NOT ALL CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES ARE A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.

THE REASON I SAY THAT IS THAT WE HAVE TO CLOSE MY MOUTH HERE. THAT'S THEY ARE NOT STRUCTURES

BUT THEY ARE THEIR FEET, THEIR FEATURES. >> THEY'RE PART OF A PART OF THE GEOGRAPHY. SO A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE AGAIN IS WE'VE DESIGNATED THAT A LONG TIME AGO AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE VERY CLEAR IN MOVING FORWARD THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OR EVEN INSIDE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT RESOURCES THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY A STRUCTURE.

SO JUST WANTED KIND OF ALIVE ON A TREE. A TREE, A COVE .

>> BRADFIELD EAGLES FIELD. YES. THOSE WOULD BE CLASSIFIED AS RESOURCES AND THEN WE ALSO WANTED TO ADD THE DEFINITION OF A HISTORIC RESOURCE.

>> NOW HISTORIC RESOURCE AND PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO EXPLAIN THIS IS THAT THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD NOT BE LOCATED WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT BUT HAS IT'S A HISTORIC STRUCTURE HISTORIC. FIELD YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE THESE RESOURCES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT CAN HAVE THAT HISTORIC RESOURCE KIND OF DESIGNATE TO IT WHILE IT'S NOT PART OF A LOCAL DISTRICT. SO SOMETIMES YOU MIGHT HAVE A RESOURCE THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE LOCAL OR THE NATIONAL DISTRICT THAT WE HAVE ALREADY ESTABLISHED THAT WE WANT TO WE PROVIDE THAT THAT DESIGNATION TOO. BUT IT'S NOT PART OF A DISTRICT

HAVE TO BE IN OUR TOWN LIMITS. >> FOR US, YES, IT WOULD BE IN THE TOWN LIMITS.

THIS ALSO SETS UP FOR IN THE FUTURE IF WE HAVE ANYTHING THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE TOWN LIMITS AND ISN'T ANNEXED INTO THE TOWN LIMITS, THEN IT WOULD HAVE THAT WE COULD HAVE THAT CLASSIFICATION ADDED TO IT. SO WE ALSO HAVE THE NEW REVISED TERMS REQUIRED AMENDMENTS TO

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WE'VE GOT MULTIPLE LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT THAT WE HAVE TO THEN GO IN AND CHANGE

CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE TO CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE. >> SO YOU HAD SOME GREAT QUESTIONS ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THIS WAS JUST FOR THE FOR THE FIRST ITEM

WITH THESE CHANGES? >> I'VE JUST GOT TO THE LAST ONE.

>> SO WE FOUND AN AREA OUTSIDE OUR TOWN LIMITS BUT IT'S I MEAN OUTSIDE OF OUR DISTRICT.

DOES THAT OPEN IT UP FOR THAT AREA TO GET MAYBE ADDITIONAL FUNDING OF ANY SORT? DOWN THE ROAD IF THEY WERE CONSIDERED THAT HISTORIC OR RESOURCE OR IS IT JUST US HAVING THAT AS A DEFINITION JUST IN CASE THAT WOULD BE A LOCAL.

>> I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF IT IF IT'S NOT IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHAT

DOES IT HELP US WITH? >> WELL, IT WILL. IT WILL SLOWLY HELP TO ESTABLISH YOU KNOW, FOR IN THE FUTURE IF A DISTRICT IS TO BE CREATED , IF THERE ARE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT THEN CAN YOU CAN START TO TO COLLECT TOGETHER TO FORM A DISTRICT.

BUT IT JUST IT PROVIDES THAT DESIGNATION. INDIVIDUALLY.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? OKAY.

>> NEXT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IS THE DESIGNATION OF CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES.

SO AGAIN WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THAT TITLE. THIS IS FOR YOU FOR THE DESIGNATION OF A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE THAT'S CONTRIBUTING DOESN'T DESIGNATION OF A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE WE'RE GONNA REDEFINE THE DESIGNATION CRITERIA.

THIS IS THE GOING FROM THE 10 CRITERIA TO THE FOUR CRITERIA THAT WE'VE TALKED IN THE PAST REQUIRE WRITTEN CONSENT OF THE PROPERTY OR FOR THAT DESIGNATION REVIEW IF THEY'RE NOT THE APPLICANT THAT'S MOVING FORWARD IMPROVE THE REVIEW CRITERIA FOR POTENTIAL RESOURCES THAT ARE LESS THAN 50 YEARS OLD AND THEN REQUIRE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES MAP TO BE AMENDED TO INDICATE ANY NEW OR REMOVED RESOURCE. AGAIN HERE'S THE MAP JUST SO YOU CAN SEE AS WE MOVE FORWARD OUR GOAL IS TO START WITH THAT BASELINE OF THIS MAP THAT'S COMING THROUGH AS A RESOLUTION . THIS IS THE LIST THAT WE'VE REFERRED TO IN THE PAST. THE 2008 DOCUMENTS ARE THOUSAND 2008 STRUCTURES AND THE CODES.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THESE. THESE WERE THE 10 CRITERIA THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT NUMEROUS TIMES. AND WHAT WE'VE DONE NOW IS WE'VE CONSOLIDATED ALL OF THAT. SO MUST BE 50 YEARS OLD, MUST RETAIN THE INTEGRITY OF LOCATION DESIGN, SETTING MATERIALS, WORKMANSHIP, FEELING AND ASSOCIATION AND THEN IT ALSO MUST BE ONE OF THE AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA IS SO THESE FOUR CRITERIA IS ARE CONSISTENT WITH SUPPOSED CRITERIA. SO WE AGAIN WE'RE ALIGNING OUR REVIEW CRITERIA TO MAKE SURE AND IT'S IT'S JUST YOU HAVE TO MEET ONE OF THEM SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO MEET ALL OF THEM. IT'S JUST MEETING ONE OF THEM. SO 50 YEARS OLD, THE INTEGRITY.

AND THEN ONE OF THE CRITERIA QUESTIONS RELATED TO THAT SEXUAL.

GO BACK. YES, SIR. OK, THE FINE WORK OF A MASTER JUST SOME TYPE OF EXPLANATION THAT WORK OF A MASTER WILL BE FOR EXAMPLE, UNITED STATES

CAPITOL BUILDING THE DOME DONE BY THOMAS SICK. >> WALTER THOMAS IS SICK.

WALTER WILL BE CONSIDERED THE WORK OF A MASTER SO A HOUSE IT WAS BUILT BY A LOCAL CARPENTER . THAT'S NOT NOT NECESSARILY NOT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY BUT IF THE LOCAL CARPENTER HAPPENED TO BE SOMEONE THAT WAS KNOWN NATIONALLY OR LEAST STATEWIDE,

YES, IT WOULD MEET THAT CRITERIA BUT NOT JUST LOCALLY. >> RIGHT.

UNKNOWN RIGHT. >> THANK YOU. NO, THANK YOU.

>> OK. YES, SIR. NO QUESTIONS.

OK. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ONE WAS THE PROACTIVE PRESERVATION MAINTENANCE OF THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES. SO WE MADE SOME CHANGES.

I THINK YOU KNOW THAT WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROCESS PROACTIVE PRESERVATION WAS THE GOAL WAS YOU KNOW, ENFORCEMENT AND COMPLIANCE. AND WE'VE TURNED THAT AROUND.

WE'VE NOW BASED OFF OF ALL OF THE INCENTIVES THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO THIS IS MEANT MORE TO WORK WITH PROPERTY OWNERS TO GIVE THEM EVERY POSSIBLE TOOL THAT WE HAVE IN OUR TOOLBOX IN ORDER TO GET THEM TO BRING THEIR PROPERTY UP TO CODE IN THE SENSE OF MAKING NECESSARY REPAIRS BECAUSE OUR ULTIMATE GOAL IS THE PRESERVATION OF OUR HISTORIC

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IT'S TOO REFOCUS FROM AN ENFORCEMENT TO A WORKING WITH THEM TO SEE WHAT GRANTS ARE AVAILABLE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, BOTH OUTSIDE OF THE TOWN AS WELL AS INSIDE INCLUDING POSSIBLY THE BAILEY BILL AND THEN THE OTHER INCENTIVES THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE.

SO WE DID REMOVE THE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP AGAIN BECAUSE THE GOAL IS THAT FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS STEERING THEM TO TO THAT TO THAT THAT RULE.

I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH I'VE PUT UP HERE THE REVIEW CRITERIA FOR BOTH THE TERMS DEFINITIONS WHERE THEY'VE ALL BEEN MET FOR THE DESIGNATE ONE OF CRITERIA THEY'VE ALL BEEN MET AND THEN FOR THE PROACTIVE PRESIDENT PROACTIVE PRESERVATION WHICH HAVE ALL BEEN MET PLANNING COMMISSION YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY DID PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION THEY HAD THE CONCERN ABOUT THE WORD FEELING WHEN THEY PROVIDED THEIR RECOMMENDATION FOR TERMS AND DEFINITIONS THEY APPROVED THE APPLICATION FOR DESIGN CRITERIA AND THEY DID HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE WORD ENVIRONMENT FOR THE THREE CRITERIA. HOWEVER, WE FELT THAT THAT IS PICKED UP ALREADY IN THE DEFINITION THAT WE HAVE. SO FROM A STAFF RECOMMENDATION WE'D ACTUALLY RECOMMEND THAT ALL THREE OF THOSE WOULD BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.

SO THIS EVENING YOUR ACTIONS INCLUDE TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED APPROVED WITH THE AMENDMENTS OR TO DENY THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED.

AND JUST FROM A NEXT STEPS STANDPOINT, THE TOWN COUNCIL MEETING IN DECEMBER WILL BRING BACK THESE VIDEOS FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AND FINAL READING. THE BAILEY BILL WILL HAVE A PRESENTATION OF A HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY THE ADOPTION OF THE RESOURCE SURVEY, THE ADOPTION OF THE RESOURCE MAP AND THEN THE ADOPTION OF THE PRESERVATION GRANT PROGRAMS ALL WITH AN EFFECTIVE DATE OF JANUARY 1. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION AND I DO HAVE THREE SEPARATE MOTIONS

THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR THE THREE SEPARATE ITEMS. >> I SERVED THERE IN BEEN INSTRUCTED THAT WE HAVE LISTED NOW THAT WE AIM TO BE STRUCTURES AND WE GET PITCHES AND AND UNDERSTAND WHY WE CALL THEM CONTRIBUTES CRUTCHES BY DEFINITION THAT WE HAVE HERE NO

FEELINGS. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEREVER WE ARE WHERE WE LAND HAVE THE SAME UNDERSTANDING ON THE SAME APPROACH TO EACH PROPERTY SO WE CAN PROVIDE YOU KNOW A COPIES OF ALL OF THE IMAGES OF ALL OF THE STRUCTURES AND THE DATA RESOURCE.

THAT WAS A STAT WAS USED IN 2008 WHEN THAT WAS ESTABLISHED SO THAT THE GOAL IS TO PROVIDE A A A BASE TO WORK WITH. SO WE HAVE BEEN GOING WITH THIS TWO THOUSAND AND EIGHT LIST OBVIOUSLY SINCE 2008. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE TO ESTABLISH THAT FIRST AND THEN AT THAT POINT WITH WITH YOUR REQUEST WE CAN WE CAN GO FORWARD AND START LOOKING AT ALL OF THE ONES THAT YOU USE YOU'D LIKE TO TO LOOK AT TO POTENTIALLY SEE IF THEY STILL ARE MEETING THAT CRITERIA OR THEY ARE NOT MEETING THAT CRITERIA.

HOWEVER, IN ORDER FOR US TO DO THAT, WE NEED TO WE NEED TO ESTABLISH THE MAP THAT HAS ALL

OF THE LISTS AND THEN KIND OF START FROM THERE. >> WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT GOING TO SAY CERTAIN HOUSES AROUND OR OFF TONIGHT. WE'RE JUST ESTABLISHED IN THE

AREA. THEY ALL SIT UNDER. >> WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE JUST WE'RE PROVIDING A WE'RE PROVIDING A PLACE FOR EVERYONE TO GO TO TO KNOW WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED. FROM 2008. YES.

WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANY. WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING ANY CHANGES TO THAT RIGHT NOW JUST BECAUSE WE NEED TO WE NEED TO SET A

BASELINE AND THEN WORK FROM THAT BASELINE. >> BASELINE CAN BE WORKED OVER

THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. >> YES. AT YOUR DISCRETION.

ABSOLUTELY. I DON'T MEAN TO JUMP IN JUST A QUESTION THOUGH.

WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR STUDY? I THOUGHT WE DID A CONTRIBUTING RESEARCH SURVEY IS THAT THAT'S

COMING IN DECEMBER. >> OK. YES, THE SURVEY THAT TALKS ABOUT THIS STRUCTURES. YES. OKAY.

FOUR QUESTIONS. >> EVERYTHING'S JUST TO FOLLOW UP.

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WERE MATT AND STEPHEN AND I WOULD URGE YOU ALL TO GET IT. >> GLENN, YOU WOULD THINK HIS LEDGER'S WHOLE LIFE HE KNEW MORE ABOUT SOME OF THESE HOUSES THAN I KNEW ABOUT.

AND REALLY WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT THEY AND AND TALKED ABOUT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE THE WE ARE THE ONES WILL FALL ON OUR SWORD FOR WE ARE THE ONES HERE WE ARE ANY REALLY HELP ME WITH STORIES.

NOW I WANT TO GO BACK MYSELF AND KIND OF WALK BUT I WOULD URGE ALL OF YOU OUT TO GRAB THEM AND AND DO IT. IT'S A GOOD IT'S A NICE OUR RIBAUT.

WE LOOKED MOST OF THE ONES WHO MAYBE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT LIKE RIBAUT CARBON GARBAGE THAT NEED TO GO THERE. SO I WOULD SUGGEST REACHING OUT TO STEVEN AND DOING THAT.

ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. SO WE HAVE THREE MOTIONS WE'LL START WITH THE FIRST ONE. IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENTS TO THE BLUFFTON CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 23 THAT YOU'D KNOW TABLE OF CONTENTS ARTICLE 2 SECTION 2 2. ARTICLE 3. SECTION 3 1 8.

ARTICLE 4. SECTION 4 2 AND SECTION 4 4 AND ARTICLE 6.

SECTION 6 3 IN ARTICLE 9 AS RELATED TO THE CERTAIN HISTORIC PRESERVATION TERMS AND

DEFINITIONS THAT CAN ANY DISCUSSION. >> ALL IN FAVOR STATEMENT

[X.4. Consideration of an Ordinance Amending the Town of Bluffton's Code of Ordinances, Chapter 23 – Unified Development Ordinance, Article 3 – Application Process, to Amend Section 3.25, Designation of Contributing Structures – First Reading – Kevin Icard, Director of Growth Management]

[X.2. Consideration of an Ordinance Amending the Town of Bluffton’s Code of Ordinances, Chapter 23 – Unified Development Ordinance, Article 3 – Application Process, to Establish Sec. 3.26 Proactive Preservation and Maintenance of Contributing Structures – First Reading – Kevin Icard, Director of Growth Management]

ANY DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR STATE SAYING I I OPPOSED. >> THAT'S UNANIMOUS.

AND THE FINAL MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENTS TO THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER TWENTY THREE. ARTICLE 3 TO ESTABLISH SECTION THREE POINT TO SIX PROACTIVE PRESERVATION AND MAINTENANCE OF CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES HERE

YOUR SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR STEP OF SAYING WHY I OPPOSED THAT'S UNANIMOUS. GREAT JOB, KEVIN . GREAT JOB PLAN ALL OF YOU.

HEATHER. >> STEVE EVERYONE. IT WAS WORKSHOP WAS WONDERFUL

ALSO SYNCS WITH EVERYTHING SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO DECEMBER. >> BACK TO MY TOP AND SEE WHERE WE ARE. WE ARE AT ITEM 5 RIGHT. 3 4 0 WHAT WAS 3 1 3 0 I

[X.3. Consideration of an Ordinance Amending the Town of Bluffton’s General Code of Ordinances, Chapter 24 – Taxation to Establish Article V – Special Property Tax Assessment for Rehabilitated Contributing Structures in Old Town Bluffton Historic District – First Reading – Kevin Icard, Director of Growth Management]

OK. ITEM THREE AMENDMENTS TO THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON MUNICIPAL CODE ORDINANCES CHAPTER 24 TAXATION TO ESTABLISH. ARTICLE 5 SPECIAL PROPERTY TAX ASSESSMENT FOR REHABILITATED HISTORIC PROPERTIES ALSO KNOWN AS I GUESS THE BAILEY BILL RIGHT AGAIN PROVIDE A KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF THIS. DO YOU HAVE THE TEXT AVAILABLE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW IT? HOWEVER, WE'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO THROUGH THIS DURING THE WORKSHOP. SO ONE OF THE SEVERAL INCENTIVES THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE GOAL IS TO PRESERVE THE TOWN'S OLDER BUILDINGS HERITAGE AND CULTURE.

INCREASED PROPERTY VALUES ENCOURAGE TOURISM AND BOLSTER THE LOCAL ECONOMY.

SO AS YOU KNOW, THE BAILEY BILL IS A SPECIAL PROPERTY TAX ASSESSMENT OR TAX ABATEMENT FOR REHABILITATION OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES. ITS PERMITTED.

IT PERMITS THE PROPERTY OWNER TO LOCK IN THE TAXABLE ASSESSED VALUE OF THE PROPERTY BASED ON THE FAIR MARKET VALUE PRIOR TO REHABILITATION. TAXES ARE NOT PAID WITH THE INCREASED VALUE OF THE PROPERTY UNTIL A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT PERIOD ENDS AND THAT CAN BE UP TO 20 YEARS. AND IT IS TRANSFERABLE TO NEW PROPERTY OWNERS SO THE PARTICIPATION IS VOLUNTARY AND THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS MUST BE MET.

>> SO ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS IS THAT THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IS LOCATED IN OLD TOWN BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT. THERE ARE 82 STRUCTURES SO REMEMBER STRUCTURES VERSUS RESOURCES THAT AT LEAST 50 YEARS OLD INVESTMENT OF AT LEAST 20 PERCENT OF THE REHABILITATION FAIR MARKET VALUE.

SO REAL QUICK JUST SAY WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE LAST ONE WHERE WE HAD THE POSSIBILITY OF A STRUCTURE THAT COULD BE WITH YOUNGER THAN 50 YEARS OLD AND MEET THE REQUIREMENTS TO BE A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEY WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE BAILEY BILL. SO THE STATE REQUIREMENT IS THAT IT IS AT LEAST 50 YEARS OLD. SO IF FOR SOME REASON THERE IS A RESTRUCTURE THAT'S LESS THAN 50 YEARS OLD, THEY'RE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THE BAILOUT BILL UNTIL IT'S 50 YEARS OLD.

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A CONTINUOUS YES. >> AGAIN, I GAVE IT OVER. I KNOW I GAVE VIEW THE ONE OF THAT ONE OF THE SECTIONS WE TALKED ABOUT IS THERE IS A POSSIBILITY OF ALLOWING FOR A STRUCTURE THAT'S UNDER 50 YEARS OLD BUT IT HAS TO HAVE EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES AND WOULD BE IT WOULD COME IN FRONT OF YOU. SO THAT THE LIKELIHOOD OF THAT HAPPENING IS I MEAN A VERY SPECIAL EVENT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN ON A STRUCTURE FOR THAT

TO TO BE EVEN CLOSE TO HAPPENING. >> BUT FOR THE STATE.

STATE CODE PURPOSES IT MUST BE AT LEAST 50 YEARS OLD. >> QUESTION.

YES, SIR. ON THE BAILEY BILL. REFRESH MY MEMORY ON THE 20

YEAR ABATEMENT THE TAX. >> THE TAXES ITSELF ARE NEVER REDUCED, CORRECT?

>> I MEAN HOW DOES THAT WORK EXACTLY? AGAIN, THEY CARRY OVER OR THEY OR THEY JUST WAIVED EACH YEAR FOR 20 YEARS UP TO 20 YEARS. THEY JUST DON'T INCREASE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU DO TO THE STRIKE. OK, THEY SAME.

YEAH. THANK YOU, SIR. >> AND THIS WAS WE TALKED ABOUT THAT FROM YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE 50 PERCENT MORE INVESTMENT FOR THE 20 YEAR TERM THEN THAT'S

KIND OF THE SAVINGS THAT YOU'D HAVE. >> SO AGAIN THE WORK TO BE EVALUATED IS THE EXTERIOR REPAIRS, EXTERIOR ALTERATIONS, NEW CONSTRUCTION ON THE PROPERTY IN WHICH THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IS LOCATED TO INCLUDE THE SITE WORK THAT MIGHT BE ANYTHING FROM NECESSARY TO YOU'VE GOT TO KNOW ADD SOME STEPS TO A PORCH OR YOU HAVE TO DO SOME GROUND WORK TO PREVENT THE REMOVAL OF A LIVE OAK.

>> YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE VERY SPECIFIC THAT WAY WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY WITH WORKING WITH THEM. THIS IS FOR PUBLIC OR COMMERCIAL CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THEN INTERIOR ALTERATIONS FOR PRIMARY PUBLIC SPACES.

AGAIN, THAT IS FOR IF YOU HAVE A A STRUCTURE THAT HAS COMMERCIAL USE ON THE BOTTOM LEVEL AND THEN RESIDENTIAL ON THE TOP YOU CAN'T USE THE ABATEMENT FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF IT JUST THE COMMERCIAL PORTION THAT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND THAT'S WHERE WE. JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S THAT THAT PUBLIC USE THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH IT. AND THEN ANY REMAINING WORK WHERE THE EXPENDITURES FOR SUCH WORK ARE BEING USED TO SATISFY THE MINIMAL EXPENSES FOR REHABILITATION THAT INCLUDES INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ALTERATIONS TO MECHANICAL PLUMBING AND ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS

SO QUALIFIED AND EXPENDITURES. >> AND THAT'S THE IMPROVEMENTS A LONER WITHIN THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. THE IMPROVEMENTS OUTSIDE ARE DIRECTLY ATTACHED TO THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE WHICH IS NECESSARY ARCHITECTURAL AND ENGINEERING SERVICES ATTRIBUTED

TO THE DESIGN OF THE IMPROVEMENTS. >> AND THAT'S CAPPED AT 20 PERCENT. SO THAT WAY SOMEONE CAN ONLY USE IF SOMEONE YOU KNOW USED AN ENGINEER AND AN ARCHITECT AND THEY SPENT ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ON BUILDING DESIGN THEY CAN ONLY CAP UP AT 20 PERCENT OF THAT THAT THEY COULD USE TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT AND THEN THE COSTS NECESSARY TO MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC CHARACTER INTEGRITY OF THE STRUCTURE.

>> WE TALKED ABOUT THE ASSESS ASSESSMENT TERMS. SO AGAIN, IF YOU INVEST TWENTY TO TWENTY NINE PERCENT IT'S FIVE YEARS THIRTY TO THIRTY NINE FOR 10 40 TO 49 FOR 15 YEARS 50 PERCENT GREATER YOU CAN GET UP TO 20 YEARS. AGAIN WE PROVIDE THE AN EXAMPLE OF A 20 PERCENT INVESTMENT WHERE YOU CAN SEE FOR A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE THAT'S ASSESSED AT A HUNDRED THOUSAND YOU DO IMPROVEMENTS OF TWENTY THOUSAND YOU'RE LOOKING AT AN ANNUAL ABATEMENT OF 3 0 8 AND THEN OVER FIVE YEARS FIFTEEN HUNDRED DOLLARS APPROXIMATELY AND THEN FOR A 50 PERCENT INVESTMENT YOU CAN SEE FOR RESIDENTIAL THAT SAME HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR HOUSE IF YOU SPEND FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS YOU'RE LOOKING AT SEVEN HUNDRED AND SEVENTY DOLLARS ANNUALLY AND APPROXIMATELY FIFTEEN THOUSAND.

>> AND THAT GETS TO 4 PERCENT. I SAW THAT. YES.

>> YEAH YEAH OBVIOUSLY IT'S IT'S RIGHT NOW FOR RESIDENTS. WE WE PAY WE'RE AT A FOUR PERCENT RATE COMMERCIAL COMMERCIALS AT A 6 PERCENT AND COMMERCIAL IS CONSIDERED A HOME THAT CAN'T BE LIVED THERE TRYING TO MAKE IT LIVABLE LIKE ONE OF THERE'S A HOME THAT

CAN'T BE LIVED IN BUT THEY WANT TO FIX THAT UP TO MOVE INTO IT. >> THEY LIVE 8 OR I WOULD I WOULD ASSUME THAT IS STILL AT THAT 4 PERCENT BUT THEY DON'T LIVE IN IT SO IT WOULD BE BASED

ON WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY TAXED AT NOW. >> OK.

SO WE'RE NOT JUST WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT. WE CAN'T CHANGE THE TAX PERCENTAGE ASSESSMENT THAT'S DONE BY THE USE OF THE PROPERTY.

SO WE WOULD THAT JUST SHOWS AN OWNER OCCUPIED VERSUS COMMERCIAL NON OWNER.

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>> OK. OK SO. OK.

SO THAT COMMERCIAL IS NOT OR NON OWNER OCCUPIED. GOTCHA.

OK, THANKS. THOSE ARE JUST EXAMPLES, RIGHT? YES.

OK. YEAH. >> SO FROM A CERTIFICATION PROCESS WE HAVE A PRELIMINARY CERTIFICATION. THAT'S WHERE THE REVIEW IS CONDUCTED CONCURRENTLY WITH A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR A SITE FEATURE PERMIT AND THEN THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION WILL REVIEW AND CERTIFY THE ELIGIBILITY AND THEN FOR FINAL CERTIFICATION WILL INSPECT PROJECTED TO DETERMINE COMPLIANCE WITH A PRELIMINARY CERTIFICATION. BOTH THE COPA OR THE SITE FEATURE PERMIT DETERMINE THAT EXPENDITURES. HAVING MET AND CONFIRM THAT ASSESSMENT CAN BE GRANTED PROPERTY AND OR TO CONTACT THE COUNTY. AND WHAT WE'LL DO WE'LL THEN PROVIDE A LETTER OF CERTIFICATION TO THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO'S THEN RESPONSIBLE FOR GOING TO THE ASSESSOR TO TO TO GET THE ABATEMENT THOUGH SOME OTHER THINGS THAT YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE MOVING A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE THAT WILL REQUIRE THE REEVALUATION SAY A REMOVAL OF THE CONTRIBUTING DESIGNATION OR DEMOLITION WILL CAUSE YOU TO LOSE THAT ABATEMENT AND THEN THE ABATEMENT REMAINS IN PLACE IF THE PROPERTY IS SOLD DURING THE ABATEMENT PERIOD. SO YOU SELL YOUR PROPERTY TO ME.

I STILL GET TO START RECEIVING THOSE TEXTS INCENTIVES SO IT CARRIES WITH THE PROPERTY AND NOT THE PROPERTY. SO FROM A NEXT STEPS WE'LL HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING FINAL READING ON THE BAILEY BILL WITH THE EFFECTIVE DATE STARTING JANUARY 1.

ALL OF THAT IS LINING UP WITH THOSE OTHER ITEMS THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED.

WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS TO LOOK TO EXPAND THIS TO FOUR BEAUFORT COUNTY.

HOWEVER, IT'S WE'VE WE'VE HAVEN'T HAD MUCH SUCCESS I GETTING CONTACT WITH THEM IN ORDER TO MOVE THIS FORWARD AS WELL AS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. SO WE WILL EXPLORE THAT AND

BRING IT BACK TO ASKING QUESTIONS QUESTIONS OVER HERE. >> I DID JUST MAYBE I DID TALK

TO MR. MURRAY ABOUT THIS AND THEY HAVE IT. >> IS THEY WISH THEY KNOW THEY NEED TO ADVERTISE A LITTLE BIT MORE. IT'S NOT HIGHLY USE BUT IT'S A GREAT TOOL FOR THE FOR THE FEW WHO HAVE USED IT SO HE WAS VERY PRO HAVING THIS IN THEIR TOOL

BOX. I KNOW IT'S KIND OF A MEMORY. >> STEPHEN MURRAY IN BEAUFORT.

>> OH, MURRAY, FROM A NEXT STEPS STANDPOINT, WHAT OUR GOAL WOULD BE IS THAT IF IT'S ADOPTED STARTING IN JANUARY WILL THEN WE'LL START WITH A PRESS RELEASE THEN WE WILL DO A DIRECT MAILING TO ALL OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND THEN THE GOAL IS TO HAVE A WORKSHOP TO BE ABLE TO HAVE PROPERTY OWNERS COME IN. THAT WAY WE CAN EXPLAIN THE PROCESS SO THAT WAY THEY CAN HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF IT TO SEE IF THEY DECIDE TO

MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. >> AND I THINK IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COUNTY AND THE SCHOOL BOARD TO GET ON BOARD FOR ALL OF US BECAUSE COUNTYWIDE IS JUST PROTECTING THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES EVERYWHERE. SO IT HELPS ALL OF THE COUNTY

IF WE DON'T. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THEIR MOTION TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON KIND OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER TWENTY FOUR TO ESTABLISH ARTICLE 5 PROPERTY SPECIAL PROPERTY TAX ASSESSMENT FOR REHABILITATED HISTORIC PROPERTIES YOUR SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION ON BE THINKING WHEN YOU DO THESE WORKSHOPS?

>> KEVIN LET'S VIDEO THEM AND THEN THEY'RE OUT THERE FOR ANYBODY WHO MAY HAVE MISSED IT AND WE ALWAYS HAVE A PLACE TO ABSOLUTELY GREAT. THANK YOU.

[X.5. Consideration of an Ordinance Amending the Town of Bluffton’s Code of Ordinances, Chapter 22 – Streets, Sidewalks, and Other Public Property to include Provisions to Address Locations and Requirements for Special Events – First Reading – Heather Colin, Assistant Town Manager, Planning and Projects]

THAT'S UNIQUE. ITEM NUMBER FIVE. >> RIGHT.

CONSIDERATION OF AMENDMENT OF THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 22 FIRST READING THIS IS STREET OTHER PUBLIC PROPERTY TO INCLUDE PROVISIONS TO ADDRESS LOCATIONS

REQUIREMENTS FOR SPECIAL EVENTS. >> HEATHER.

HI. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING.

SO THIS IS A THIS IS COMING TO YOU FROM TOWN STAFF BASICALLY REQUESTING AMENDMENTS TO WHAT WE WOULD COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS OUR SPECIAL EVENTS ORDINANCE .

CURRENTLY THAT CURRENT ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE THAT ADDRESSES SPECIAL EVENTS IS VERY SITE SPECIFIC. SO IT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES EVENTS THAT ARE LOCATED IN STREETS RIGHT OF WAYS AND SPECIFICALLY TOWN PROPERTY. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU ARE HAVING A CARNIVAL, A FAIR A ANY GATHERING AND THERE'S THAT YOU .

YES. A CONCERT AT EAGLES FIELD. THAT WOULD NOT REQUIRE ANY SORT

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HOWEVER, YOU KNOW THE CHARACTERISTICS ARE SIMILAR. THERE IS AN IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY AND THERE ARE THINGS CHECKS AND BALANCES THAT WE DO HAVE IN PLACE FOR SPECIAL EVENTS. WHAT WE TERM IS SPECIAL EVENTS RIGHT NOW TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT THAT EVENT IS THAT THEIR SAFETY MEASURES TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.

BUILDING PERMITS ARE REQUIRED FOR STRUCTURES, STRUCTURES, SIGNAGE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO STAFF IS PROPOSING THAT WE SIMPLY CODIFY AND INCLUDE THOSE

RULES FOR ANY SPECIAL EVENT REGARDLESS OF LOCATION. >> SO WHAT THE REGULATIONS WOULD DO IS REGULATE THE EVENT TYPE REGARDLESS OF THE NUMBER OF ATTENDEES.

SO EXAMPLE IT HAS AMPLIFIED MUSIC. IF THERE CERTAIN TRAFFIC THAT'S GENERATED AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WOULD REQUIRE A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT.

AND I'LL GO THROUGH WHAT THOSE ARE HERE WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT.

WE HAVE AGAIN THAT EXISTING SPECIAL EVENT ORDINANCE. THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE FELT WERE WORTHWHILE TO BRING FORWARD TO YOUR CONSIDERATION TO INCLUDE, FOR EXAMPLE, SOME PROVISIONS ABOUT SECURITY AND SAFETY. SO HOW DO YOU DETERMINE HOW MANY SECURITY PERSONNEL YOU MAY NEED ON TO ACCOMMODATE THE EVENT TRAFFIC CIRCULATION AND PARKING A PLAN? WHERE IS EVERYONE GOING TO PARK? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO MANAGE THE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION? ARE THERE OTHER ROAD OWNERSHIPS THAT YOU NEED TO ADDRESS? FOR EXAMPLE, STATE DOTY PRIVATE P.A. WAYS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE TOILET FACILITIES DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH? WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO BE AGAIN JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT PLANNING IS TAKING PLACE SOLID WASTE DISPOSAL MAKE SURE AGAIN THAT THAT IS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AND THEN SIMPLY TO INFORM EVERYONE THAT ELECTRICAL HOOKUPS AND ANY TEMPORARY STRUCTURES OR STAGES YOU'RE STILL REQUIRED TO MEET THE BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS AND BUSINESS LICENSE REGULATIONS. SO REGARDLESS THAT IT'S A TEMPORARY EVENT, IT STILL IS IMPORTANT THAT THOSE PERMITS ARE OBTAINED AGAIN TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND AGAIN THERE'S ALWAYS THE AUTHORITY TO WAIVE BECAUSE IT ISN'T

NECESSARILY A ONE SIZE FITS ALL. >> SO WE WOULD REVIEW WHAT THAT SPECIAL EVENT IS THE NEEDS WITH TOWN STAFF OUTSIDE AGENCIES AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE PROVISIONS ARE IN PLACE. I'D LIKE TO DO IS AGAIN TO SAY I HAVE THE ORDINANCE HERE ROLL

THROUGH. >> THE VERY FIRST THING WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IS CHANGE THAT TITLE TO ADD PRIVATE PROPERTY TO THAT TO THE EVENT THE SPECIAL EVENTS ORDINANCE.

>> AND HERE'S THE DEFINITION. >> SO THESE ARE THE TYPES OF EVENTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AS FAR AS THE REGULATIONS SO ANY FESTIVAL FAIR CARNIVAL THOSE ARE THE TWO WORDS THAT WE'RE ADDING THEIR CONCERTS, ANY INDOOR OUTDOOR EVENT ON PUBLIC OR PRIVATE PROPERTY. THERE'S ALSO I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS. SO WHILE AS WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC AND THE COMMUNITY ARE WELL INFORMED AND THAT THE REGULATIONS ARE BEING MET THAT THERE ARE SOME INSTANCES AND PROPERTIES THAT ARE ALREADY DESIGNED AND DEVELOPED FOR EVENTS FOR EXAMPLE SCHOOL EVENTS THAT ARE CONDUCTED ON SCHOOL PROPERTY. EVERY TIME THAT THERE IS A FOOTBALL GAME OR THINGS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE'RE NOT REQUIRING A SPECIAL PERMIT.

HOWEVER, IF IT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THAT, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT BRINGS IN SOME GRANDSTANDS OR HIGHER INTENSITY THEN IT MAY BE AND THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE ORDINANCE WAYS HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS CLUBHOUSES, EVENTS THAT TAKE PLACE THERE WOULD NOT REQUIRE A SPECIAL EVENT. SO IF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS FOOD TRUCKS EVERY THURSDAY NIGHT OR YOU KNOW, TRIVIA NIGHT OR THINGS LIKE THAT, WE'RE NOT REQUIRING A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT BECAUSE AGAIN THOSE SITES ARE DESIGNED AND DEVELOPED TO HANDLE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD COME TO THE EVENT AND AGAIN ANYTHING THAT'S THAT'S DESIGNED TO HOST THAT THAT TYPE OF EVENT. SO IF THERE'S A FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, A A WEDDING VENUE IN PALMETTO BLUFF OR IN THE OLD TOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT'S ALREADY APPROVED FOR EVENTS AND GATHERINGS THAT WOULD NOT REQUIRE A SPECIAL EVENT EITHER .

>> AGAIN. EVERYTHING YOU SEE HERE IS ALREADY IN PLACE FROM ITS

ENVIRONMENT HERE. >> AND AGAIN, THIS IS WHERE WE GET INTO THE PARTICULARS ABOUT THIS SECURITY AND SAFETY OUTLINES WHAT THAT BASELINE IS AS FAR AS TO ACCOMMODATE IT.

>> AND WE DID LOOK TO OUR NEIGHBORS AND HOW THEY PERMIT SPECIAL EVENTS AND WE DID USED

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OF EASILY. >> THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY INCLUDE IN THEIR SPECIAL EVENTS. AND I WILL SAY THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND IS VERY SPECIFIC AND USES THAT ANTICIPATED NUMBER OF ATTENDEES TO DETERMINE THAT THRESHOLD.

HOWEVER, WE FELT THAT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IT WAS HARD TO GAGE YOU MAY NOT ANTICIPATE FIVE HUNDRED FIVE HUNDRED AND ONE WHAT THAT THRESHOLD IS. SO IT WAS MORE OF HOW ARE YOU GOING TO BE USING THAT PROPERTY? SO IS IT GOING TO INCLUDE STAGES? IS IT GOING TO INCLUDE AMPLIFIED MUSIC, THINGS OF THAT NATURE? AND THAT WOULD TRIGGER THAT SPECIAL EVENTS THAT PART

THANKSGIVING DAY AT MY HOUSE WAS GOING TO BE ABOUT 80. >> DO I NEED A PERMIT? NO. YEAH, I WAS GOING TO HAVE BUT I'M SAYING WHY NOT?

I DIDN'T SEE WHERE HE HAD A HUNDRED AND HE HAD. >> I MEAN WE GOT TO BE CAREFUL THE BIRTHDAY PARTIES AND THE FAMILY REUNIONS IS IT. IF THEY HAVE TO GET A STAGE OR IF THERE'S A AMPLIFIED MUSIC OF SOME SORT OR WHAT. WHAT WOULD BE THE TRIGGER?

>> WELL HERE'S THE DEFINITE THE DEFINITION THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW AND WHAT WAS ADDED IS WHAT'S UNDERLINED IN BOLD. SO IT'S THAT PUBLIC OR PRIVATE? IT'S THE PUBLIC GATHERING.

I WOULD SAY WOULD BE THAT DETERMINING FACTOR. AND AGAIN, THERE'S SOME THERE'S A LOT MORE INFORMATION. AND LIKE IFS AND BUTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY. THAT'S WHY I SAY IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A ONE SIZE FITS ALL. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS TIME THE. AND AGAIN THERE'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF EVENTS THAT ARE FURTHER DESCRIBED. I WILL ALSO ADD THAT WE HAVE A VERY THOROUGH SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT RIGHT NOW ALREADY ESTABLISHED. I DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY CHANGES TO THAT PERMITTING PROCESS OR FEES AND APPLICATION FEES OR RE INSPECTION FEES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. HOWEVER IF THERE ARE WE WILL BRING THAT BACK BEFORE YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THROUGH RESOLUTION AT SECOND READING. IF THIS DOES MOVE FORWARD LIKE

HE HAD SOMETHING IN YOUR PERMIT EXCEPTIONS GATHERING. >> OK.

>> FAMILY REUNION. THERE YOU GO. NUMBER FOUR PLACES A PERSONAL

RESIDENCE CONTACT. OK. >> ARE YOU FINISHED? QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS LIKE IF SOMEONE HOW OF THIRTY PEOPLE PARTY WILL JUMPY HOUSE WOULD HAVE THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A PERMIT, RIGHT?

>> THAT'S IT IF IT'S AT THE PARK. IT'S AT OUR PARK.

THEY ALREADY HAVE TO HAVE A VET PERMIT IN RENTAL BUT NOT IF THEY JUST GO DOWN THERE AND START HAVING A BIRTHDAY PARTY THAT IS ONLY TO RESERVE PERVIOUS OR BUT THEY COULD GO

THERE AND BLOW UP THE SLIP AND SLIDE OR WHATEVER YOU CALL IT. >> AND HAVE A BIRTHDAY

GATHERING OR WHATEVER PERMIT THAT THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.

YEAH. >> IT MAY AS YOURS AS YOU'RE ASKING THAT QUESTION.

IT MAY ESTABLISH SCOUTS MEET, YOU KNOW, 20 OR 30 THEM YOU KNOW, THEY COME DOWN ON THE FACTORY ALL THE TIME AND DO THEIR LITTLE IT MAY AND IF THAT'S IF IF THE INTENTION IS NOT TO REQUIRE A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT FOR THAT, WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE

AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S. >> YEAH. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO MAKE

THEM GO TO THE CIVILIANS CONSTANTLY DO THAT. >> I MEAN WHICH IS GREAT.

AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN I'VE SEEN TWO AND THREE BIRTHDAY PARTIES AT THE SAME TIME EVERYBODY TRYING TO SQUEEZE UP UNDER THE BIG PAVILION. BUT TYPICALLY IT'S WHOEVER GETS THERE FIRST. RIGHT. BECAUSE WE DON'T READ THOSE PERSAY AND WE WE CAN I CAN WORK WITH THE TOWN MANAGER AND TOWN ATTORNEY AND SEE IF THERE'S A WAY IF YOU'RE NOT IF YOU'RE NOT RESERVING PROPERTY THAT IT MAY BE EXEMPT FROM THAT THOSE REQUIREMENTS IF THAT'S THE REQUEST, IT'S EITHER THAT OR SET A NUMBER.

>> HILTON HEAD HAS A NUMBER FOR A REASON THEY DO AND I'M SURE THEY CAN TELL US IF IT'S EASY.

WHAT THEY DO THEY WISH THEY DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER. I MEAN CAN WE.

WHAT I FOUND OUT THEIR NUMBER RIGHT NOW I BELIEVE IT'S TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY AND THAT PRIMARILY RIGHT NOW IS GOING DURING COVERED . IT WENT WITH THE GOVERNOR'S ORDERS ON GATHERING. PRIOR TO THAT IT WAS FIVE HUNDRED.

THEY WILL SAY IT'S HARD TO SAY . A LOT OF PEOPLE WHEN YOU'RE RIGHT AROUND THAT THRESHOLD. YES. THAT THEY MAY BE UNDER THAT

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DIFFICULT OR TIMELY TO GET THE PERMIT. IT'S JUST TO HELP THEM FORM MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE FOLLOWING THE REGULATIONS THAT THEY KNOW THERE'S REGULATIONS.

THERE MAY BE AN EVENT THAT OCCURRED AND IF THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, THEY MAY NOT KNOW THAT THEY'RE STILL REQUIRED TO GET AN ELECTRICAL PERMIT FOR

LIGHTING AND MUSIC AND THINGS LIKE THAT. >> SO IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE DIFFICULT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. IT'S JUST MEANT TO BE INFORMATIVE SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS AND THAT THE COMMUNITY IS SAFE AND THERE'S NO DETRIMENTAL

EFFECTS. >> FOR CLARITY FOR ME CIVILIANS, WHAT DO WE SAY?

>> WHY DON'T WE COME WITH A LOWER NUMBER SEVENTY FIVE OR 50 OR 100 OR SOMETHING THAT'S.

>> I MEAN THERE ARE ALL THE LITTLE STUFF AND NOT COMPLICATED.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S COUNCIL'S DIRECTION. WE CAN LOOK AT A LOOK AT A NUMBER OF LIKES LIKE HEATHER SAID WE HESITATED ON GOING WITH A NUMBER BECAUSE FOR EXAMPLE WE HAVE THE VETERANS DAY PARADE WHERE THEY'RE A CONCERT AT THE PROMENADE THAT NIGHT.

I KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE OR I DON'T KNOW IF THEY KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE AT IT. SO THERE'S SOME QUESTION ON WHO DO WE ALLOW TO SET THAT THRESHOLD IF THEY COME AND SAY WE'RE ONLY EXPECTING 75 PEOPLE. THAT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY.

THEY'RE FALLS FOR FIVE MUSICS AREN'T THERE? >> WE THOUGHT THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT MOVING FORWARD THAT WOULD FALL UNDERNEATH THIS.

RIGHT. >> RIGHT. AND CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW FOR EXAMPLE, THAT'S AN EXAMPLE IF THEY WERE TO HAVE THAT CONCERT AND THE PROMENADE IN THAT SQUARE THAT PARK AREA THERE IS NO SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT REQUIRED AT THIS TIME.

WHAT STAFF IS PROPOSING THAT A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT WOULD BE REQUIRED BECAUSE THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT THERE WILL BE AN EFFECT ON THE TRAFFIC, THAT THERE WILL BE A NEED FOR BATHROOMS, THERE WILL BE A NEED FOR TRASH CANS AND GARBAGE LIKE I STAYED ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THERE TO DO THEY NEED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, POLICE PRESENCE.

>> THERE'S AN ISSUE FOR FIRE YOU MISS THOSE ARE THE KIND OF QUESTIONS AND THAT'S WHERE WE DIDN'T PUT A NUMBER IN THERE BECAUSE END ON THE EVENT PERSON TO SET THE NUMBER WE SAID YOU

SEE WHAT YOU'VE DONE NEVER GET OUT AND I'LL GO BACK. >> WISH A LOT OF TIME ON MY

FRIEND. >> I DON'T LIKE. I LIKE THAT.

NO CHANCE ESPECIALLY ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. PUBLIC PROPERTY.

YOU SHOULD FIGURE THAT OUT. I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK WE SHOULD ADD A CHARGE.

IT'S JUST MAKING SURE EVERYTHING EVERYBODY KNOWS THE NOTICE.

SOMEHOW I THINK THE PROBLEM IS WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE ON RESERVE SIDES OF OUR PUBLIC PROPERTY? YOU DON'T WANT TO MAKE THE BIRTHDAY PARTY GET IN TROUBLE.

ALL RIGHT. AND IT ALSO HAS THE ABILITY TO WAVE.

>> YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH OUR TOWN ON PROPERTY TO THIS POINT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY YOU ALREADY HAVE TO GET A PERMIT. FILL OUT THE APPLICATION AND GET INSURANCE IF YOU HAVE ABOUT CALL ALL THAT STUFF HER BIRTHDAY PARTIES IT DEPENDS PART I MEAN I DON'T SEE WHERE THAT PART OF IT'S BROKEN NOW. WELL THIS IS PERTAINING TO TO

PRIVATE PARTIES OVER 250 PEOPLE OR SOMETHING OR YOU KNOW. >> YEAH.

>> IS MAYBE REALLY PERTAINING TO THE TO GOVERN THE SMALL THINGS YOU KNOW WE COULD.

>> EXCUSE ME WE COULD WORK WITH TERRI'S FINGER'S OFFICE TO SEE IF WE COULD EXEMPT THE TOWN ON PROPERTIES THAT DON'T HAVE A RESERVATION ASSOCIATED WITH IT BECAUSE AGAIN THERE'S ALREADY THAT RESIDENT THERE'S ALREADY THAT RESERVATION PROCESS IN PLACE.

SO I'M I'M CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN WORK THROUGH THROUGH THAT IF THAT'S YOUR INTENTION TO NOT REQUIRE A PERMIT FOR THAT. I JUST DON'T WANT TO QUESTION YOU KNOW, ACCIDENTALLY ADD SOMETHING WHEN WE DON'T. RIGHT NOW DON'T WANT THEM TO HAVE TO RESERVE.

IT REALLY HAS TURNED TO BE A GREAT PARK. >> IT'S ONLY REALLY HAD ONE ISSUE WHICH WAS NO ONE BUT IT DOES. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY

COMPLAINING ABOUT WELL THIS IS ABOUT THE FUTURE, LARRY. >> IT COULD BE ANYTHING.

I MEAN LOOK AT THE CONCERT THAT HAVE A NATIONAL NIGHT. I MEAN NOTHING CAN GO WRONG.

I MEAN WAS IT HERE IN FRONT OF ME? ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN.

ANYWAY, INUIT TOWN MANAGER HAS THE ABILITY TO WAVE OFF COMMONSENSE YOU KNOW, REQUEST OUR QUESTIONS AND WE CAN GO BACK AND TAKE SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT COUNCIL HAS AND

LOOK AT TWEAKING A FEW THINGS AND BRINGING IT BACK. >> THE QUESTION I WOULD HAVE FOR COUNCIL WOULD BE WHETHER WE WANT TO WHETHER WE CAN DO THAT BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING OR WOULD THOSE BE CONSIDERED? I WOULD GUESS THAT COUNCIL IF

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FOR SMALL BIRTHDAY PARTIES AND ALL THAT. >> SURE.

IF YOU WANT TO RESERVE THE PUBLIC PROPERTY. YES.

YOU GOT THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH OTHER CRITERIA BUT JUST TO GO USE IT WALK AND CUT BIRTHDAY CAKE OR PLAY WITH THE KIDS, WHATEVER. I DON'T.

WE'RE REALLY TALKING A KEY PLAYGROUND. THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON RIGHT NOW. PLAYGROUNDS I MEAN WE'RE THE BIG PAVILIONS ARE OUR THAT'S THE ONLY THING. I MEAN WE'RE NOT. I MEAN TO ME IT SOUNDS LIKE THE PROPER THING I MIGHT TABLE IT. LET US LOOK AT SOME LANGUAGE FOR YOU.

BRING IT BACK FOR FIRST READING IN DECEMBER. IS EVERYONE.

>> IS THERE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS UNTIL DECEMBER TO GET ADDED LANGUAGE TO OUR COMMENTS?

>> THERE'S. YES, I CAN. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY I'M SAYING WHY I OPPOSE. THAT'S TABLE SO Y'ALL CAN FIGURE OUT. YES. THAT WORKS THAT.

THAT'S AWESOME. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR PUTTING IT

[X.6. Consideration of an Ordinance for an Approval of a Fifth Amendment to the Palmetto Bluff Development Agreement to Provide for Dockside Fueling and a Second Dry Stack Boat Storage at the Big House Tract's Anson Marina – (DAA-03-21-015139) - First Reading, Kevin Icard, Director of Growth Management]

>> NEXT WE HAVE KEVIN AND IT IS ITEM SIX CONSIDERATION OF AN AUDIENCE FOR AN APPROVAL OF THE FIFTH AMENDMENT TO THE PALMETTO BLUFF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO PROVIDE FOR DOCKSIDE FUELING AND SECOND DRAW STORAGE. THE BIG HOUSE TRACKS AREN'T SAID MARINA I DON'T KNOW THE DEA NUMBER THERE FOR WHATEVER REASON. WHAT IS THAT?

THAT'S OUR PERMITTING NUMBER. >> OH YES. THAT'S HOW WE COULD HAVE ADDED TO IT. YES. AND LONG ENOUGH MADAM MAYOR, IF I MAY AGAIN KIND OF LIKE THE AUDIO EDITS WE'VE GOT BOTH THE THE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT

AS WELL AS THE CONCEPT PLAN AMENDMENTS. >> SO THERE'S TWO ITEMS ITEMS NUMBER SIX AND NUMBER SEVEN WE'RE GOING TO DO ONE PRESENTATION AT THE END

THERE'LL BE TWO SEPARATE VOTES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> AND THANK YOU FOR THE INTRODUCTION. AGAIN, THIS IS A REQUEST BY PALMETTO BLUFF DEVELOPMENT LLC FOR THE 5TH AMENDMENT TO THE PALMETTO BLUFF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO BRIBE PROVIDE FOR DOCKSIDE FUELING AND A SECOND DRY STACKS DRY STACK BOAT STORAGE AT BIG HOUSE TRACT ANSON MARINA AS WELL AS THE SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE PALMETTO BLUFF CONCEPT PLAN TO PROVIDE FOR DOCKSIDE FEELING AND DRY STACK STORAGE AT THE BIG HOUSE TRACK AND AND MARINA.

JUST A QUICK TIMELINE HERE. SO MARCH 20 THROUGH TIME? YES, YES MA'AM.

SURE. Y'ALL WOULD FIT LIKE SPREAD OUT EVERY THREE CHEERS.

>> I'D JUST HATE TO MAKE YOU STAND BACK THERE AND NOT ALWAYS GET NERVOUS WHEN PEOPLE SEE PEOPLE STANDING. THANK YOU. OKAY.

SORRY. >> NO PROBLEM. OKAY.

YEAH. SO MARCH TWENTY THIRD THE APPLICANT PROPOSED THE AMENDMENTS TO THE PALMETTO BLUFF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT CONCEPT PLAN AS WELL AS RESTATED DECLARATION OF COVENANTS CONDITIONS OR RESTRICTIONS FOR PALMETTO BLUFF DOCKS IN WHICH THE TOWN WAS ACKNOWLEDGING PARTY AUGUST 25TH.

THIS REQUEST WAS INITIALLY HEARD BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THERE WERE NUMEROUS QUESTIONS ASKED REGARDING THE APPLICATION AND THERE WAS SOMEWHAT SOME CONFUSION AS TO WHAT ALL THE THE REQUEST WAS AND THEN SEPTEMBER TWENTY SEVENTH BASED OFF THAT INFORMATION THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A REVISED REQUEST TO AMEND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT CONSENT PLAN TO ALLOW FOR DRY STACK STORAGE IN THE DOCKSIDE FEELING. SO THEY TOOK OUT. THERE WAS QUITE A FEW OTHER ITEMS THAT WERE BEING REQUESTED. THOSE WERE ALL TAKEN OUT JUST THAT WAY. THE REQUEST IS FOR THE DOCKSIDE FEELING AND THE DRY STACK STORAGE SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON NOVEMBER 1ST RECOMMENDED TO DENY THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AMENDMENT AND TO DENY THE CONCEPT PLAN AMENDMENT DUE TO THE REQUEST BEING INCONSISTENT WITH THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO WHAT ARE THE PROPOSED REVISIONS SO YOU CAN SEE THIS IS SECTION 10 76 OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WHERE THEY ARE REQUESTING YOU TO SEE AND READ IS THE PROPOSED TEXT TO BE REMOVED WHICH SAYS DRY STACK FACILITIES SHALL BE PERMITTED AT ONLY TWO OF THE ACCESSES AND FUELING FACILITIES SHALL BE ALLOWED AT THE ACCESS

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YOU CAN SEE IN SECTION 1 G. >> PARAGRAPH 9 WHERE IT DOES TALK ABOUT THE FACILITIES SHELBY MAY CONSIST OF A BOAT RAMP AND OR STACKED STORAGE FACILITY AND DOCKETS.

WITH THE EXCEPTION OF BIG HOUSE WATER ACCESS POINT FEELING FACILITIES SHELBY ALLOWED ONLY INWARD OF THE OCR CRITICAL LINE AND THEN IN SECTION TO BE FOR BEFORE OF THE CONCEPT PLAN.

OR IT STATES THAT ANCILLARY USES ASSOCIATE WITH THE FACILITY MAY INCLUDE RESTAURANTS AND BOAT RELATED FACILITIES SUCH AS BOAT MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS UPLAND FUEL SALES CELLS DOCKSIDE FUELING THE EXISTING WATER ACCESS POINT KNOWN AS BIG HOUSE

BOAT SALES SERVICES AND RETAIL SUPPLIES. >> QUICK BACKGROUND AS YOU KNOW THE PALMETTO BLUFF IS TWENTY ONE THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED AND FORTY NINE ACRES.

IT'S IN WAS ANNEXED INTO THE TOWN 1998 V THE ORDINANCE NINETEEN NINETY EIGHT 0 9 IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ANNEXATION ORDINANCE NINETEEN NINETY EIGHT ELEVEN DEVELOP AN AGREEMENT NINETEEN NINETY EIGHT 0 02 WHICH RESULTED IN THAT ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THE CONCEPT PLAN ACTS AS PART OF THE AFGHANS PLANNING PROCESS FOR THEIR NEXT PHASES OF DEVELOPMENT THEY'RE REQUESTING TO EXPAND THE EXISTING HOUSE WATER ACCESS POINT WILL BE COMMONLY KNOWN AS ANSON MARINA AND ONCE COMPLETE THEY'VE REQUESTED THESE AMENDMENTS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THE CONCEPT PLAN .

>> SO JUST SOME QUICK ADDITIONAL MATERIAL AGAIN I APOLOGIZE.

I KNOW THAT TEXAS A LITTLE SMALL BUT TO SOME QUESTIONS THAT HAVE RECENTLY COME UP IS HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE WOULD THE DRY DOCK STORAGE EQUATE TO ? SO I WAS WORKING WITH THE ENGINEER THIS AFTERNOON TO TRY TO GET SOME OF THIS INFORMATION TO YOU. THIS IS NOT IN THE STAFF REPORT BUT JUST MORE SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION APPROXIMATELY THIRTY FIVE THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF BUILDING AN ADDITIONAL SPACE FOR THE FORKLIFT BE ABLE TO MANEUVER AROUND. IT'S ANTICIPATED TO HAVE BETWEEN 180 TO 200 DRY STACKED SPACES WITH A HEIGHT NOT TO EXCEED FIFTY FEET WHICH IS ALLOWED BY CODE WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR BOATS TO BE STACKED UP TO FORTY FOUR SPACES HIGH.

>> HOW WOULD THE DRY STACKS STORAGE EQUATE TO COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS? SO PALMETTO BLUFF IT'S BASED OFF OF ACREAGE SO SINCE ANTICIPATED THAT THE ENTIRE ANSON MARINA UPLANDS SO THIS IS NOT INCLUDING THE WET SLIPS WOULD BE WOULD CONSIST OF APPROXIMATELY THREE ACRES. IT'S GOING TO BE LOCATED ON BIG HOUSE ISLAND WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY THIRTY SEVEN ACRES AND JUST TO NOTE THAT THERE IS AN 80 FOOT RIVER PROTECTION OVERLAY DISTRICT THAT PREVENTS DEVELOPMENT EXCEPT FOR THE AREAS WHERE THE MARINA DOCKS WOULD BE ACCESSING THE WATER ALONG THE WATERLINE UNFORTUNATELY GET THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND THAT WAS A QUESTION I WAS UNABLE TO GET THAT INFORMATION IN TIME. I DO APOLOGIZE. THE OTHER ONE IS.

SO WHAT IS ALLOWED UNDER THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT? SO PALMETTO BLUFF HAS AN APPROVED PERMIT TO CONSTRUCT A MARINA RIGHT NOW WITH THE FIRST PHASE BEING CONSISTING OF THE 50 WATT SLIPS AND UP UP TO APPROXIMATELY ONE HUNDRED AND SEVEN THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED. THAT WAS THAT WAS THE D PERMIT THAT THEY HAVE RECEIVED AND HAVE HAD EXTENSIONS TO IT ALONG THE WAY. SO THEY ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT TO CONSTRUCT. THE WET SLIPS RIGHT NOW THEY CAN ALSO CONSTRUCT OBVIOUSLY WITH APPROPRIATE DEVELOPMENT PERMITS IN THE UPLANDS PORTION OF THE MARINA PARKING COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, STORMWATER STRUCTURES UPLAND FUELING WHICH INCLUDES THE FUEL STORAGE TANKS AND THE NECESSARY INFRASTRUCTURE FOR DEVELOPMENT .

SO WITH THAT ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERING DO YOU HAVE APPROVAL THEY COULD CONSTRUCT UP TO 2 EXCUSE ME 400 SLIPS AND THAT WAS APPROVED THROUGH THE THE SECOND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THEN THE DEVELOPMENT MUST FOLLOW THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY AND BE PHASE OF COURSE THOSE ONCE THEY GO BEYOND WHAT THEIR CURRENT PERMIT ALLOWS IT HAVE TO GO BACK TO ARMY CORPS AND DIRECT TO GET AN AMENDMENT TO THAT PERMIT.

SO WHAT'S NOT ALLOWED UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND CONSENT PLAN? WELL, DRY SEC STORAGE AND DOCKSIDE FEELING ADVANCED. THAT'S WHAT'S NOT ALLOWED SO I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH I CAN PULL UP THE PRESENT OR ASSUMING THE STAFF REPORT TO GO THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AMENDMENT CRITERIA AS WELL AS THE CONCEPT PLAN AMENDMENT

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>> WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING FOR THE FIRST READINGS OF BOTH CONCEPT PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. AGAIN A PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED TO DENY BOTH DIVESTMENT AGREEMENT AS WELL AS CONCEPT PLAN BECAUSE IT WAS INCONSISTENT WITH THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT AND THE GOALS OF OBJECTIVES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

YOUR ACTIONS THIS EVENING YOU COULD APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED YOU CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATIONS WITH AMENDMENTS YOU COULD CONSIDER REFERRING THIS APPLICATION READ THE APPLICATIONS TO THE NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE OR TO DENY THE APPLICATIONS AS SUBMITTED. SO FROM A STAFF CONSIDERATION STANDPOINT THAT DURING NOVEMBER 1ST MEETING PLANNING COMMISSION DID HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE NUMBER OF DRY STACK STORAGE SPACES THAT WERE PLANNED AND ASKED IF THEY COUNTED AGAINST THE ALLOTTED 10 PERCENT FROM THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. SO IT WAS UNKNOWN THE EXACT AMOUNT.

ASSUMING THE APPLICANT SAY THAT WAS UNKNOWN THE EXACT AMOUNT OF DRY STACK STORAGE SPACES ESTIMATED ANYWHERE BETWEEN THE TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY TWO HUNDRED TWO UNDER FIFTY THEY ARE NOT COUNTED AS PART OF THE REQUEST SO STAFF HAS PROPOSED SOME OF THE OPTIONS FOR YOU AS YOU MOVE FORWARD AGAIN IS TO APPROVE THAT REQUEST APPROVE EITHER DOCKSIDE FUELING OR THE DRY STACK STORAGE INDEPENDENT OF EACH OTHER. YOU COULD DO THAT.

YOU COULD APPROVE THE REQUEST WITH ANY PROPOSED CONDITIONS YOU CAN DENY THEIR REQUEST AND BEING CONCURRENCE WITH PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION OR POSTPONE TOWN COUNCIL ACTION AND REFER THE REQUEST TO THE NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE TO NEGOTIATE THE TERMS AND DEVELOP AN AGREEMENT CONCEPT PLAN THAT'S RELATED TO THE DOCKSIDE FUELING SEEMING DOCKSIDE FEELING DRY STACK STORAGE AND ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL TERMS RELATED TO THE APPLICATIONS.

SO WITH THAT I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

ALLOW THEM TO COME UP, MAKE A PRESENTATION AND THEN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE

OF THEM IF YOU WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS. >> KEVIN THE AND THEIR TEAM ARE HERE. DO YOU WANT THEM TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AND ASK THEM AND

KEVIN QUESTIONS WHICH I LIKE WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO. >> I BEFORE WE GET STARTED I'D LIKE TO JUST GET A DEFINITION LIKE I DID FOR FEELING THIS. WHAT DEFINES A SLIP UP IN ABOUT ONE HUNDRED SEVENTY SLIPPED 50 SLIPS TO START WITH ARE THOSE SLIPS TWO HUNDRED FEET OR LIKE

25 FEET OR 50 FEET. >> BUT ARE WE PAYING A SLIP IS I MEAN I KNOW WHAT A DRESS SLIP IS BUT THEN I KNOW WHAT ABOUT SLIP IS ABOUT EVERY TIME I'VE EVER BEEN THERE ALL DIFFERENT

SIZES. >> I I DO KNOW THAT THE PERMIT IT HAS VARIOUS SIZES OF SLIPS,

SOMETHING THAT WAS IN OUR DOCUMENTS AND I CAN I READ IT. >> OKAY.

IT'S EITHER THAT OR THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT I READ IT.

THAT'S WHO I LOOK. I THINK IT'S IN THE P D AND I THINK I'M NOT FIND IT DID NOT YOU AND I CAN DO SOME RESEARCH WHILE THE APPLICANT IS UP FRONT AS WELL.

>> SO NOW YOU SAID ASK A QUESTION. MY QUESTION WAS ARE Y'ALL DO Y'ALL WANT THE APPLICANT TO GET UP INTRODUCE THEMSELVES? DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OF KEVIN FIRST OR I'LL TO GIVE THEM UP GIVE THE APPLICANT THE CHANCE TO SPEAK.

I'M HERE ON A FORWARD ANYWAY ALONG KYLE. I APPRECIATE THE WAY BUT IT'S JUST A LONG MEETING TONIGHT SO RIBAUT ALL OTHER GREAT THINGS WERE UP TO IT.

>> EVEN MY NAMES WILL CALL. I AM A PARTNER WITH SAL STREET PARTNER PARTNERS AND WE'RE THE

NEW GUYS IN TOWN. >> WE ARE INCREDIBLY EXCITED TO BE IN TOWN AND YOU KNOW AS IS WE HAVE WE'VE BEEN HERE 90 120 DAYS NOW AND IF I MAY I WANT TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND MYSELF AND OUR HISTORY WITH PALMETTO BLUFF IN THIS AREA AND WHAT THIS AREA MEANS TO US AS A COMPANY. I HAVE I REMEMBER THE DAYS Y'ALL MIGHT REMEMBER A NAME TOMMY BASED ON WAY BACK IN THE DAY I KNEW TOMMY I KNOW TOMMY KNEW HIM REALLY WELL AS REALLY

GOOD FRIENDS WITH HIS SON. >> I SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THE PROPERTY PREVIOUS TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMENCING AT PALMETTO BLUFF. I DO KNOW HOW SPECIAL THE LAND

AS I HAVE SPENT MY ENTIRE LIFE. >> I HAVE I HAVE I HAVE THREE YOUNG CHILDREN.

OUR GOAL AS A COMPANY OUR GOAL IS INDIVIDUALS TO DO RIGHT. WE WANT TO LEAVE THIS LAND THIS THIS WORLD AND A BETTER PLACE FOR OUR CHILDREN AS WELL AND OUR GRANDCHILDREN.

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HOWEVER, WE KNOW THAT WE'RE THE NEW WE'RE THE NEW GUYS IN TOWN AND WE'RE GLAD TO BE HERE I.

>> YOU MAY NOT KNOW THIS ABOUT ME ACTUALLY WORK FOR CRESCENT RESOURCES BACK IN THE DAY JAY PAIGE THE THE JIM MOSLEY OUR FIELDS THE ORIGINAL VISION OF PALMETTO BLUFF.

WE HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING IT. WE UNDERSTAND IT. WE WANT PALMETTO BLUFF TO BE THE ORIGINAL VISION THAT IS OUR GOAL. WE THINK CONCERT CONSERVATION DEVELOPMENT IS VALUE CREATED . WE'RE NOT HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPERS.

>> IT'S NOT WHO WE ARE. IT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT TO BE. WE PICKED AND WANTED TO BE IN BLUFFTON AND THEN PALMETTO BLUFF AND BECOME A FABRIC AND A PART OF THIS COMMUNITY.

IT'S WHO WE ARE. WE WILL BE HERE FOR THE LONG TERM.

ONE OF THE MOST INTERESTING THINGS ABOUT SOUTH STREET AS A COMPANY I'M RELATIVELY YOUNG.

I'M 40 YEARS OLD. I HOPE TO BE THERE WHEN I'M 60 .

HOPE TO BE HERE WHEN I'M 80. AND OUR REPUTATION IS EVERYTHING WE.

WE INVEST AND WE DEVELOP IN A WAY THAT ALLOWS US TO BE HERE FOR A LONG TIME AND WE KNOW

THAT AND THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S VITAL AND IMPORTANT TO US. >> WE'RE NOT DEBATING WHETHER A

MARINA IS IS ABLE TO BE BUILT AS KEVIN JUST LAID OUT. >> WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS ORIGINALLY PUT IN PLACE, WATER ACCESS WAS WHAT WAS CONTEMPLATED.

HENCE THE MARINA. >> RIGHT. SO.

SO WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AND WE IN TAKE A STEP BACK. AS I SAID, WE'RE THE NEW GUYS AND I THINK YOU ALL KNOW THIS THIS THESE REQUESTS WERE PUT PRIOR TO OUR ACQUISITION AND TAKING OVER THE MANAGEMENT OF PALMETTO BLUFF. IT'S EASY FOR PEOPLE TO LOOK AND SAY SOUTH STREET IS PUSHING THIS THROUGH SO QUICKLY. WE UNDERSTAND THE PERCEPTION OF THAT. BUT THE PREVIOUS REGIME OUR CURRENT TEAM HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR QUITE A WHILE. WE SUPPORT IT AND WE WANT TO SEE IT THROUGH.

BUT THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT IS COMET SAL STREET'S REQUEST. I THINK YOU ALL KNOW.

>> SO YEAH, WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OUR OUR OUR TEAM IS HERE FROM THOMSON

HUTTON. >> ROB DUCKETT WHO IS ALSO A PARTNER AT SOUTH STREET IS HERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT YOU HAVE THE FULL SUITE OF KNOWLEDGE.

WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND WE ARE PRIVILEGED TO BE STANDING IN FRONT OF YOU

TONIGHT. >> SO I'LL HAVE QUESTIONED. GOD, THIS I GAVE LARRY AN HOUR IN OUR PACKET WHICH WAS ONLY ON PAGE TWO HUNDRED EIGHTY NINE OF THE PACKAGE HAD THE SLIP REQUIREMENTS AND WHAT WAS DONE BACK LIKE WHATEVER DAY 0 5 IS WHEN IT WAS SO YOU CAN SPEAK TO

THE I MEAN IT'S SPACES SUPPORTED LIKE WHAT? >> YEA THOSE PHASES ARE NOT PERMITS EXPIRE AND YOU CAN RENEW THEM TWICE OR THREE TIMES MAYBE YOU KNOW WHAT I KNOW

THERE'S A LIMIT ON THAT. >> SO AIRED THE FOURTH PAGE THEN JUST FOR YOU ALL TO KNOW

PHASE 1 WAS FORTY SIX SLIPS PHASE TWO. >> YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.

DOESN'T SAY WHAT YEAR PHASE 2 IS 22. PHASE 3 IS 28.

FACE FORCE 4 THAT TOTALS 100. BUT THEN THERE'S 70 OTHERS THAT ARE SAD TASK SLIPS.

THAT WOULD TAKE THE NUMBER. PHASE ONE IS 60 TO PHASE TWO IS 44.

PHASE 3 IS 30. >> SO WE ALL HAVE TO KNOW THOSE ARE NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT. THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO GO TO A NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE AND GO UP AND NEGOTIATE. JUST ON YOUR BEHALF I WOULD SAY I LOOKED AT THE FOUR AMENDMENTS . I THINK WE GOT BEATEN UP A LITTLE BIT TONIGHT WHICH IS FINE BUT EACH OF THOSE AMENDMENTS THE TOWN REALLY

RECOUPED A LOT. >> WE TOOK OVER A THOUSAND UNITS OFF THE BOOKS PALMETTO

BLUFF. >> I'LL BET THEY DONATED THREE OR FOUR ACRES TO US FOR A

STORMWATER POND OUT OF THE OLD PALMETTO BLUFF ROAD. >> WE CREATED A MOUNTAIN

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WE MIGHT HAVE GIVEN BUT WE ALSO GOT SO AND THAT'S WHAT NEGOTIATIONS ARE FOR AND WHAT ARE WE NOW? AND I'M NOT ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER NOW BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND ALWAYS LEAVE IT TO EVERYONE ELSE TO ASK FIRST.

SO I DON'T WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT. SO THOSE FORMED AMENDMENTS WERE VERY GOOD FOR THE TOWN AND WE REDUCED A THOUSAND UNITS WHICH WOULD FIVE WET BOAT SLIPS IF WE WOULD'VE KEPT IT AT 5000. SO ANYWAY. QUESTIONS ASK KEVIN AND BUCK

WHY DON'T YOU GO FIRST? >> YEAH I WAS GONNA SAY YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE.

I MEAN I HAVEN'T SEEN YOU IN LIKE I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE STILL AROUND JOKING BUT AND WE KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A HISTORY OF CONSERVATION AND THINGS YOU KNOW AND THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO

YOUR CLIENTELE. >> SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT. AND AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, COMING HERE TONIGHT THAT YOU COULD SEE IT IN THE PUBLIC ARENA.

>> YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD OUR TROUBLES WITH OUR OUR MAY RIVER WATER QUALITY ISSUES AND YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE VERY SENSITIVE TO ALL OF THIS. AND YOU KNOW, IT'S WE'VE SEEN OUR ROADS, YOU KNOW, GET BUSY WITH TRAFFIC AND NOW WE'RE SEEING OUR RIVERS BECOME VERY BUSY. WITH TRAFFIC AND YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU USED TO GO TO THE SANDBAR, THERE'S A COUPLE OF HARLEY HARDLY KNOW ANYBODY THERE. I MEAN WHEN I SAY THAT IT HARDLY BE ANYBODY THERE AND NOW YOU GO IT'S LIKE YOU GET A TICKET AND GET IN LINE AND THAT'S NOT ALL INDICATIVE OF PALMETTO BLUFF. THAT'S JUST THE GROWTH OF THE GENERAL AREA. I DON'T LIKE TO TAKE MY OWN BOAT ON THE WEEKENDS ANYMORE.

IT'S LIKE IF I CAN'T TAKE IT OUT ON THE WEEK I DON'T WANT TO GO OUT THERE.

IT'S IT'S INSANE. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY'S REALLY FOCUSED ON

RIGHT NOW. >> AND I THINK FOR ME AND THIS IS GOING TO END UP FALLING COUNCIL'S LAP HELPED ME WITH THIS BECAUSE I THINK KEVIN HAD SOMETHING AT THE BOTTOM ABOUT

THE NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE WHICH THE MAYOR BROUGHT UP. >> BUT LET ME LET ME BE CLEAR.

WE UNDERSTAND HERE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FEW AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DRY STOCK OR DRY

STORAGE. >> OK. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. NEITHER ARE ALLOWED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN SIGNED THUS FAR. NEITHER ONE'S ALLOWED WHERE I GET HEARTBURN IS THE MARINA.

>> THAT'S WHERE I GET HEARTBURN. AND SO YOU KNOW, BACK TO THE POINT OF NEGOTIATING, I KNOW WE CAN'T NEGOTIATE THAT MARINA TONIGHT BUT IF I HAD TO ASK MYSELF AND I AND I'M NOT GOING TO ASK OUT TONIGHT I WILL CALL OUT WHEN I GET OUT OF HERE.

>> BUT I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE THE ECOSYSTEM AND THE PROBLEMS THAT THE MARINA CREATES MORE SO THAN I AM ABOUT DRY DOCK STORAGE OR FUEL. SO YOU KNOW, ALL OF THAT I THINK BRINGS UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. AND I YOU KNOW, I MADE A NOTE TO MYSELF TODAY FEED THE BEAST. YOU KNOW, THE BEAST IS THE MARINA AND THEN THE FUEL AND THE DRY DOCK STORAGE OR TO FEED THE BEAST. THAT'S THE REQUEST FOR THIS

RIGHT NOW. >> WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES WOULD BE WITH ALL OF THIS. AND I DID ASK ABOUT BOATS, STORE SIZE AND EVERYTHING.

KEVIN PROVIDED THAT TONIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT BECAUSE I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT IF YOU ASKED FOR SOMETHING. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO GIVE BACK?

AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GO WITH THIS. >> THE ONE THING I SAID TO YOU WHEN YOU'RE FORMER EMPLOYEES, DALLAS, YOU KNOW I CAN'T EVEN BELIEVE COMING IN HERE AND THIS

IS JUST ME BECAUSE I'M A VISUAL OPERATIONAL KIND OF GUY. >> I CAN'T BELIEVE COMING IN HERE WITHOUT EVEN A RENDERING OR A DRAWING OF ANYTHING INDICATING WITH THE MARINA IS

HOW THE SCOPE OF IT AS SUNDAY AND WE CAN PUT UP. >> WELL, NO, YOU KNOW WHAT? JUST SEND HIM TO US. OK. BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW.

WE'RE GOING TO RESOLVE THIS TONIGHT. I HAVEN'T SEEN.

OK. YEAH. THE OTHER CONCERN IS WHEN YOU IF YOU HAVE THE MARINA AND AGAIN I'M NOT TRYING TO NEGOTIATE RIGHT NOW I'M TELLING YOU MY THOUGHTS BECAUSE I WANT TO GO BACK OVER TO COUNCIL AND HE CAN ADVISE US.

MY GOD, THE TRAFFIC THAT YOU'LL BE BRINGING IN THERE AND THE LARGER BOATS AND EVERYTHING THAT WILL BE COMING IN THERE FAR MORE THAN ANYBODY HERE ANTICIPATES.

RIGHT NOW WE CAN'T WE CAN'T EVEN SEE ALL OF THAT. YOU KNOW, I WAS HOPEFUL THAT

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YOU CAN PUT THEM OUT. MR. PUBLIC CAN WALK OUT TO THE BOAT, GET ON IT AND GO ON HIS MERRY WAY AND BRING THE BOAT BACK AND IT COMES BACK OUT OF THE WATER.

AND IT'S NOT IMPACTING EVERYTHING LIKE A MARINA WOULD DO.

I GUESS FOR ME I DON'T FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE REQUEST. >> AND SO I WANT TO KNOW IF WE PASSED IT OVER TUNE NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE. TERRY CANNOT OPEN THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE MARINA. OKAY. BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE MY FOCUS

IS GOING TO GET I WOULD MAKE IS EVANS THIS IS WHAT YOU CAN DO. >> I WOULD CHANGE THE WORDING A LITTLE BIT IN NUMBER FIVE AS TOWN COUNCIL ACTION AND REFER THE REQUEST TO THE NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE TO NEGOTIATE THE TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND CONCEPT PLAN WHICH RELATE TO DOCKSIDE FUELING DRY STACK STORAGE OR ANY ADDITIONAL TERMS RELATED TO HE HAS APPLICATIONS. I PROBABLY WOULD SAY DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SO YOU CAN TALK ABOUT ANYTHING UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT JUST THE APPLICATION AND

LEASING AFTER TWO YEARS. >> YOU KNOW I LOVE IT AND YOU KNOW AND THAT WAS WHERE MY HEAD WAS BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE ECOSYSTEM OUT THERE, YOU KNOW THE MARSH GRASS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, IT'S MORE IMPACTED BY THE MARINA THAN WILL BE BOAT STORAGE.

>> SO THAT AGAIN ALL OF THIS PLAYS INTO WHERE MY HEAD'S AT. I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE NEGOTIATING GROUP COMMITTEE AND THROW IT IN THEIR LAP AND THEN LET'S PAINT HAMMER THIS THING OUT AND SEE IF THE CLIENT I MEAN THE REQUEST IS THERE SPACE TO NEGOTIATE THAT IF THERE'S NOT THEN DECLARE THAT CLEAR THAT NIGHT. I MEAN YOU KNOW SO THAT'S I THINK I'VE SAID PLENTY THAT YOU WANT TO GO SECOND. ALL RIGHT.

>> SO AS YOU GUYS PROBABLY KNOW REALLY FOR ME WITH THAT EVERY BIT OF IT PROBABLY SEEN IT THOUSANDS TIMES MORE VIDEO ALTOGETHER HALF IN YOUR LIFE PROBABLY PUMP MORE FUEL OVER THE WATER THAN ALL OF THESE PEOPLE IN HERE AND THE REST OF THEM AND BLUFFTON BECAUSE A LOT OF BIG BOATS SINCE I WAS 21 AND WE PUT FUEL ON WE NORMALLY PUT SIX, EIGHT, TEN THOUSAND

GALLONS AT A TIME. >> WHAT MY CONCERNS ARE WHEN I RIDE DOWN THERE I LOOK AT THE WOOD EDGE OF THE WOOD EDGE BECAUSE I USED TO MESS AROUND DOWN THERE BACK IN THE DAYS.

>> EVERY PASSING THAT I COULD SEE FROM MY BOAT EITHER GOT A HOUSE ON IT OR A HOUSE BEING BUILT ALL THE WAY FROM MOORLAND ALL THE WAY DOWN TOWARDS LONG WHEN I CALL THAT THE ROLL OUT.

>> WE HAVE OUR OWN FISHERMEN'S NAMES THAT'S CREEK AND THAT'S ONE OF THOSE ISLANDS CALLED ISLAND BEFORE YOU GET ALONG, ALLEN WAS BACK IN THE 70S. THAT AREA AND THEY'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT WHERE YOU BUILD IN MARINA BUT YOU KNOW YOU CAN THROW A ROCK FROM ONE SIDE TO

THE OTHER ACROSS THE CAUSEWAY RIGHT THERE. >> THAT IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ESTUARIES THAT WE HAVE IN THIS WHOLE REGION. ALL YOU LITTLE BABY SHRIMP ALL YOU LITTLE BABY FISH, EVERYTHING THAT IS IT'S JUST AN UNTOUCHED NURSERY FOR FOR MANY

THINGS. >> I KNOW BIRDS TOO, BUT I'M NOT A BIRD WATCHER.

BUT THAT'S THAT'S SUCH A SUCH A SENSITIVE AREA. >> BACK WHEN 20 YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS INVITED TO SIT AROUND THE TABLE WHEN WE WERE WELL I WAS ASKED TO COME AND GIVE MY

OPINION ABOUT WATER QUALITY ISSUES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. >> THE REASON THAT PALMETTO BLUFF AGREED TO BUILD TO SELL COMPOUNDS IN THE HEADWATERS LARGE PARCELS SO THAT IT

WOULDN'T AFFECT THE ENVIRONMENT . >> I DON'T SEE COMPOUNDS GOING ON DOWN THERE AND I KNOW I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT LONG ISLAND IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE ONE DAY WHICH IF I COULD DO ANYTHING TO PREVENT IT I WOULD NEED TO BE TOUCHED.

>> PERIOD NOT FOR IT NOT IF WE CARE ABOUT OUR OUR ENVIRONMENT .

>> THE OH WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU KNOW STARTING AT THE WATER'S EDGE

EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE ON THE WATER'S EDGE. >> I MEAN IT'S JUST ALL

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HOW ABOUT EFFICIENT PEOPLE WITH PEOPLE BRING THINGS THAT ARE GONNA KILL THOSE YELLOW

FLOWERS, THOSE HORSE FLOWERS JOB AND MESS AROUND DOWN THERE. >> YOU KNOW HOW BAD THEY ARE.

THEY'LL EACH THEY'LL PICK YOU UP AND CARRY YOU OFF OF YOU TO SPEND THE NIGHT OUT THERE.

WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WHEN PEOPLE COME WE GO START SPRAYING PESTICIDES AND INSECTICIDES TO GET RID SOME OF THOSE BUGS BECAUSE I GUARANTEE YOU NOBODY'S GONNA BUILD A THREE OR FOUR MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE AND PUT UP WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THOSE LITTLE CREATURES THAT I'M TRYING TO PROTECT ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA FLY AROUND AND BITE YOU. THOSE SAME CHEMICALS KILL THEM.

>> SO I DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS. I KNOW WHAT WE AGREED TO IN THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BACK THEN. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION WITH JIM MOSLEY. IN FACT I'M EVEN QUOTED IN SOME OF THOSE ARTICLES.

>> I'M FINE WITH THE MARINA GO IN THERE AND THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH A BARGAINING WITH THEM AND WITH US AT THAT TIME TO KEEP THE DOGS OFF OF THE MAY RIVER 5.0 SAID ARE WHERE THEY ARE RIGHT NOW. THAT'S IT. A LITTLE BIT OF IMPROVEMENTS MORELAND. THAT'S IT. THERE'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ANYMORE OTHER THAN THE MARINA WHICH THE MARINA WAS DESCRIBED AT THAT TIME FOR ITS RESIDENTS

. >> BUT IN AN ISSUE ONE BROUGHT UP THOUGH I DON'T HAVE ALL THE

ANSWERS BUT I'LL PASS IT ON TO SOMEBODY ELSE. >> I MEAN QUESTION FIVE QUESTIONS IS ALWAYS WHEN YOU WHEN YOU WANT TO MAKE CHANGES OR YOU OR EVEN AS A NEW KID ON

THE BLOCK. >> ALWAYS GOOD TO TALK TO YOU TO YOUR NEIGHBORS.

OR TO THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT SURROUND YOU. OKAY.

I COULD BE AFFECTED ELEMENT OR YOUR IDEAS ESPECIALLY PALMETTO BLUFF.

SO DO YOU HAVE ANY PLANS TO HAVE THAT KIND OF DIALOG SO THEY CAN UNDERSTAND YOUR VISION AND MAYBE AT SOME POINT EDUCATE THEM ALL ON WHO YOU ARE AND WHY YOU ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT BEING

BEING THEIR NEIGHBOR? >> TALK TO THEM, MICHAEL. YES.

ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE EXISTING RESIDENTS OF PALMETTO BLUFF AND OR AN HOUR?

>> ARE THE NEIGHBORS OF PALMETTO BLUFF? >> WELL, I'M MORE ABOVE PALMETTO BLUFF FIRST. YEAH, I MEAN WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT PALMETTO BLUFF IS, MOST OF THE DENSITY IS IS IS PRETTY FAR AWAY FROM WHERE THIS MARINA IS GONNA GO.

>> RIGHT. IT'S IN THE WILSON VILLAGE AND NOW MOVING DOWN TO TOMORROWLAND. RIGHT. AND SO THOSE THOSE THOSE RESIDENCES HAVE THOSE RESIDENTS HAVE MADE IT THE CHOICE TO BE IN THAT THAT AREA RIGHT WHERE THE WILSON DRY STACK IS AND ACCESS THERE. SO ARE WE.

>> DO WE HOLD TOWN HALL MEETINGS WITH OUR PROPERTY OWNERS TO INFORM THEM OF OUR PLANS? THE ANSWER'S YES. DO WE SOLICIT THEIR FEEDBACK? YES. WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF ONE THING I FORGOT I MENTIONED WE HAVE REENGAGE WITH HEART. HOWARD WRITTEN THE ORIGINAL LAND PLANNER MASTER PLANNER YOU APPLY AWARD WINNER TO HELP US THROUGH THE FULL LAND PLAN OF THE REMAINING PARTS OF PALMETTO BLUFF. SO WIN WIN. SO THE SHORT ANSWER YES WE HAVE TOWN HALLS, WE HAVE MEETINGS. WE WE WE LIKE TO BE FRONT AND CENTER AND EXPLAIN OURSELVES AND OUR VISION AND OUR PLAN. THE MARINA PLAN HAS BEEN MOVED TO THE FOREFRONT.

RIGHT. GIVEN THIS APPLICATION THAT WE INHERITED AND SUPPORT.

BUT THE REMAINING ASPECTS MASTER PLAN WE'LL CONTINUE TO TO COMMUNICATE AND SOLICIT FEEDBACK FROM OUR FROM OUR NEIGHBORS, OUR PROPERTY OWNERS .

>> FOLLOW UP QUESTION IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, THIS REQUEST IN A DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU HAVE ON THE TABLE TONIGHT. HAVE THEY BEEN INFORMED ABOUT IT IN THOSE MEETINGS THE FUEL

OVER WATER REQUEST, THE DRY STACK CRUST IN THOSE MEETINGS? >> I CAN'T SAY YES OR NO IF THEY'VE BEEN SPECIFICALLY TOLD . I THINK OUR ASSUMPTION IS THAT SINCE AUGUST 24TH IT HAS BEEN WIDELY KNOWN WHAT THE REQUEST IS ON THE STREETS OF WHERE YOU

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KIND OF RECOMMENDATION MEET IF I IF I WOULD. >> SO THAT YOU WANT TO ANSWER

THAT. SORRY ABOUT THAT. >> HI, THOMAS.

>> THEY DID HAVE A TOWN HALL MEETING AND IT WAS RAISED QUESTIONS WERE RAISED ABOUT THE MARINA AND YOU FULLY DISCLOSED THAT IT WAS HAPPENING, RIGHT? RIGHT.

SO THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT I HAD ANSWERED. WE HAVE CERTAINLY COMMUNICATED WHAT OUR PLANS ARE. I THINK THAT TO YOUR POINT LOOK THERE THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE FOR THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE AGAINST RIGHT. AND YOU KNOW, WE WE AS THE OWNERS AND DEVELOPERS AND WORKING WITH OUR CONSULTANTS AND LAND PLANNERS THINK THAT THIS THIS IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PROPERTY AS A WHOLE.

THE COMMUNITY IS ALL THINKING. >> THANK YOU. >> JUST SOME FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS AND I DON'T CARE WHO ANSWERS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A LITTLE HISTORY PALMETTO BUT I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE BEST DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS EVER WRITTEN AND I TOLD YOU I CAN TELL YOU BUT FRANNY HAUSER WHO REPRESENTS SOMETHING DID A FABULOUS JOB.

I STAND BY WHAT PART OF IT? I STAND BY THOSE AMENDMENTS BECAUSE I THINK IT HELPED BLUFFTON EVEN BETTER FRIEND HAS A SAYING YOU KNOW BETTER SO YOU DO BETTER AND I REALLY BELIEVE

I'D TRY TO LIVE THAT. >> I DON'T KNOW IF WE KNEW BETTER IN 1998 ON WHAT LIFE WAS GOING TO BE. I COULDN'T HAVE TOLD YOU THIS WAS GONNA BE LIFE IN 1898.

WE WERE TOLD THE NUMBER BUT LIVING IT IS DIFFERENT THAN PUTTING IT ON PAPER AND HAVING

AN ATTORNEY MAKE SURE THE T'S ARE CROSSED AND NAZAR GOT IT. >> SO YOU ARE A PARTNER.

Y'ALL ARE PARTNERS MORE SO THAN ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE YOU DO.

IT WAS YOU DO HAVE TO GIVE US ACCESS. YOU DID.

WE DO HAVE A TOWN. THIS WAS GIVEN US IT'S THE WAY THAT OUR RESIDENTS DON'T HAVE WATER ACCESS CAN GO AND SIT AND LOOK AT THE WATER AND APPRECIATE IT AND MAYBE LOWER THEIR BLOOD PRESSURE A BIT BECAUSE SO MANY OF US DON'T HAVE I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE WATER. SO THAT'S WHERE I GO NOW INSTEAD OF GOING TO HARBOR TOWN LIKE A PLAYHOUSE PARTNER IN UNCOMPLICATED WAYS I SAID THIS TO SOME OF THESE GUYS.

I FEEL LIKE THIS NO MATTER IT'S NO ONE'S FAULT. IT'S JUST COMPLICATED.

NO, I CAN GO BACK TO THE 400 PAGES THAT ARE ON OUR PACKET AND I KNOW THIS WENT BACK AS FAR WAY BEFORE I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO EVER BE SITTING HERE. MAYOR MCCRACKEN PART OF IT TOO.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ALL THERE WERE SO MANY PEOPLE ORIGINALLY.

SO I LIKE TO BE UNCOMPLICATED, JADED AND I THINK FRED HAS A REAL GOOD AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA ALL MAKE US ALL GOOD PARTNERS. I KNOW IT.

BUT WHENEVER WE DO A REZONING WOULD EVER POOR MIKE, YOU'VE BEEN PART OF IT.

YOU'VE BEEN STANDING UP HERE IN FRONT OF ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT AND WE'RE LIKE CODE TO THE COMMUNITY. YOU MIGHT NOT. IT'S REALLY TOUGH.

IT'S TOUGH TO GO IN A PLACE WHERE YOU'RE YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS AND THIS IS

THAT COMMUNITY. >> WE HAD A WORK CULTURE SET TO HAVE THAT COMMUNITY.

CHARETTE WHERE YOU DO GET PEOPLE WHO ARE VOTERS AND YOU GET PEOPLE AREN'T AT LEAST GIVE YOU A GOOD VISION OF WHAT THEY SEE THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE. IF WE IF THERE'S A MOTION TO WHATEVER IT MOVES TO A NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD REALLY ASKED TO DO BEFORE WE ALL MEET AGAIN BECAUSE THEY NEED TO GIVE YOU THEIR INPUT.

AT LEAST YOU HAVE IT AT LEAST FRED ASK YOU AGAIN YOU SAY I DID AND SEVEN HUNDRED PEOPLE

SHOWED UP. >> WHAT DO YOU WANT US TO SEE? THAT'S HOW WE CREATED A GROWTH FRAMEWORK MOUTH. WE IN THE DOWNTIME HAD FOUR OR FIVE HUNDRED PEOPLE AT EACH CHARETTE TO REALLY SAY WHAT THEY WANTED TO SEE. THEY HELD DIDN'T GET IT BUT THEY HAD A VOICE. AND I THINK THESE RESIDENTS YESTERDAY I DON'T KNOW.

>> THEY ARE AFTER ME AND I DON'T THINK PEOPLE WANT ME TO LEAVE.

SO YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO REALLY TAKE CARE OF WHO OUR RESIDENTS ARE AND WHAT WHAT THEY SEE.

>> SO THAT'S KIND OF MY FOLLOW UP. FRED, I I AGREE AND I'M NOT

NEGOTIATING. >> I DO I DO WISH AND I THINK I'D MENTIONED IT TO SOMEBODY.

WHAT DO YOU WANT TO BE AT THE END OF THE DAY? WHAT DO YOUR RESIDENTS ON AT THE END OF THE DAY AND WHAT DOES BLUFFTON WANT AT THE END OF THE DAY THAT I BELIEVE EVERY WORD OF THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TALKS ABOUT ENVIRONMENT.

IT'S AN EVERY YEAR. SO I THINK IT'S A LITTLE A STEP BACK AND DO YOU WANT TO.

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I SEE WHAT IT DOES. SO YOU KNOW WHO WHO'S USING IT ? ARE THEY GOING TO DO THAT ONE? AND I TALKED TO SEVERAL I HAVE BEEN DISCLOSURE I TALKED TO SEVERAL OWNERS IN PALMETTO BLUFF THAT YOU'LL NEVER HEAR FROM.

THAT ALWAYS GIVE ME SOME GOOD GUIDANCE. AMEN.

AND THEY EVEN SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS THING WOULD BE THE BOATS THAT ARE A HARBOR TOWN CAN'T GET THERE. NO ONE SAYS WAS INTERESTING WITH THE DOCK SIZES.

>> I DON'T YOU LOOK BACK AND SEE IT'S OR YOUR RESIDENTS YOU KNOW THAT I'M JUST THROWING OUT IDEAS AND THOUGHTS. I WORRY ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN DO. I KNOW YOU CAN DO IT ALREADY.

I WORRY ABOUT THE SIZE. I'M NOT QUITE AS UPSET OVER DRY DOCK.

IF IT IF IT CAN REPLACE SOME OF THE WET SLIPS I HEARD A LOT OF RESIDENTS MENTION THAT TONIGHT AND ALSO HEARD I DID WATCH PLANNING COMMISSION. I DID HEAR THAT THAT COMMENT WHERE CAN WE LESSEN THE WET AND REALLY AMBIVALENT ABOUT THIS FUEL OR I DON'T THINK THE TOWN NEEDS THE REVENUE FOR FOR THE SAKE OF SOME FISH AND I CANNOT TALK ANY MORE PRACTICE MOM.

>> WHAT I PREACH. SO ANYWAY, A LOT OF QUESTIONS I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE SPICY EFFECTS. I THINK I THINK THE BIGGEST IS YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY.

>> HAVE YOU BEEN YOU'RE LISTENING. YOU WORKED UNDER THE BEST OF THE BEST. IS THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ANTIQUATED? SHOULD WE RELOOK AT IT? SOMEBODY MENTIONED BIRDS. I READ 25 PAGES LAST NIGHT ON BIRDS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND YOU KNOW, ARE WE MONITORING YOU KNOW OR ARE WE PROTECTING THOSE BIRDS? YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT I DON'T KNOW THAEALLY 100 PERCENT ABIDING BY SO WHAT ELSE I HAVE QUESTION WAS THAT YOU CAN ANSWER.

I MEAN HAD YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THAT DREDGING? HAD YOU THOUGHT THROUGH THAT WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING AT THE PLAN REFERRED TO MY NEED TO MAKE IN TOP WE GO.

>> WELL, WE DID DO A ROUGH SKETCH SURVEY OF THE OTHER AREA SO WE DID LOOK AT THAT.

SO IT HAS. IT HAS BEEN FACTORED INTO THE PERMIT ITSELF WITH THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS LOOKED AT IT YOURSELF. OH, SORRY.

AND JONES THOMAS. >> SO IT WAS LOOKED AT WHEN THE PERMIT WAS DONE.

>> YOU'VE BEEN PART OF IT PROBABLY FOR THE LONGEST. >> DID YOU SEE THAT?

WELL, I DIDN'T. >> I MEAN WE GOT TO KNOW IF BIGGER BOATS COME THROUGH

THERE. >> DREDGING IS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE.

THE LARGE NUMBER OF SLIPS IN THE BOATS AND THE BOATS IN THE WATER VERSUS THE BOATS AND THE DRY DOCK IN. I HAVE I THINK THAT WAS REALLY IT AND MIKE HELPED ME GET THAT ONE EXHIBIT APPEARED AND I WANT TO DO CIRCLE THAT WOULD GIVE THAT MAYOR BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS THE PART WHERE WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT TOO AS ANSWERING THAT IS ONE WE DON'T THINK

DREDGING WILL BE REQUIRED. >> WE WE DID DO A BATH MEASURE SURVEY OF THE.

SO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT THE CONTOURS COUNCILMAN TUMOR BRACKEN ANSWER THERE IS A SANDBAR ALONG THAT EDGE JUST OUTSIDE OF WHERE THE MARINA IS. BUT ON THAT SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE RIVER IT IS THAT WAY. SO WE GET THE BOATS IN AND OUT. WE DIDN'T LOOK THROUGH THAT.

>> EVERY GOOD THING IS, YOU KNOW, EVEN WE TALK ABOUT ACCESS BUT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE 4000 RESIDENTS PLUS OR MINUS THEY ARE GOING TO BE SYSTEMS OF BLUFFTON AND THEY ARE GOING TO WANT ACCESS TO THE RIVER. AND TO BE HONEST, I MEAN THERE'S A 2001 STUDY DONE BY COUNTY LOOKING AT ACCESS WITHIN COUNTY AS A WHOLE FOR RESIDENTS TO THE RIVER.

WE HAVEN'T MADE MUCH CHANGES SINCE THEN. >> WHEN YOU GO BACK AND READ THAT REPORT I MEAN WE HAD ALL JOY AND THE OYSTER FACTORY THEN THE WASH FACTORY HAS BEEN IMPROVED SINCE THEN AND ALL JOY SOME BUT THAT'S STILL ALL WE HAVE WE HAVE TO CALL IT THE

CAUSE OF . >> CORRECT. SO THERE'S A LOT OF RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO NEED ACCESS. I THINK THAT'S PART OF WHAT'S DRIVING THIS CONVERSATION IS THERE IS GOING TO BE A DESIRE TO HAVE ACCESS. IT IS IT IS WHAT WE ALL LIKE TO DO WHETHER IS DURING THE WEEK OR ON THE WEEKENDS. SO WE DID DO A MAP THIS.

THIS MAP SHOWS KIND OF THE EXISTING FACILITIES AROUND US. AND THIS IS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT FEW FIRST HE DOES HAVE SOME LIMITED VIEW. BUT TO BE ASKED LIKE FREEPORT RIGHT NOW IF YOU GO THERE NOW YOU CAN'T GET FUEL SO ALTHOUGH THERE IS THERE IS LIMITED

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ACCESS THERE BUT WE'LL DO THAT. >> SO WE REALLY DON'T LIKE THAT THING.

>> YOU. >> JA YONDER WHERE THEY ARE BECAUSE THEN THE NEXT ONES WHERE ALL THE TARPS IDEA THING BLOW UP. BUT IF WE HAVE IF WE HAVE YOU KNOW FACILITIES AT PADDLE BLUFF AND THEN THE THE CLOSEST PLACE YOU CAN GO GET FUEL IS HARBOR

TOWN. >> I MEAN THAT THERE IS SOME IMPACT EXISTING FACILITIES.

SO I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE DISCUSSION IS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT.

IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, THE FUEL AND I GET THAT THAT'S CONVERSATION AND SHOULD BE BUT IT'S ALSO YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE BOATERS OUT THERE, THEY'RE GOING TO NEED GAS.

SO THEY'RE GONNA GET GAS SOMEWHERE. SO THEY'RE GOING TO USE THE EXISTING FACILITIES THAT ARE OUT THERE NOW WHERE WE CAN PREPARE ONE.

I THINK THE DEVELOPERS ALREADY AGREED THAT WE WOULD FOLLOW THE SOUTH CAROLINA CLEAN MARINA CERTIFICATION SO THAT AS ADD AN EXTRA LAYER OF PROTECTION SO WE ARE WILLING TO DO MORE.

I THINK WE KNOW HE WENT THROUGH THE ORIGINAL PERMITS WE WENT THROUGH.

IT WAS A YEAR LONG PERMIT OF ANSWERING ENVIRONMENTAL QUESTIONS AND MAKING SURE WE HAD COVERED ALL THE BASES. SO IT ISN'T LIKE WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THE YEAR LONG PERMIT WHERE WE ANSWER ENVIRONMENTAL QUESTIONS TO MAKE SURE WHAT WE'RE DOING IS RIGHT.

AND WE VOLUNTEERED UPFRONT THEN AND AND THE SOUTH STREET HAS RECOMMITTED OF DOING THE S KIND OF CLEAN MARINA CERTIFICATION AND MANAGED MAINTAINING THAT THROUGH THE LIFE OF THE OPERATION OF THE FACILITY. SO HAVING ANSWERING QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.

>> APPRECIATE THAT NOW. BUT BEN, RESIDENTS WHO WANT TO USE IT YOU'RE SAYING ARE COMING FROM THE RIVER. SO YES, MRS. SMITH ON HAYWARD STREET IS IN THE RIVER.

YOU'RE SEEING AN ACCESS FEE, A RIVER BUT NOT ACCESS FOR DRY DOCK COMING THROUGH THAT GATE.

>> WELL, I THINK IT IS. >> IT IS FROM THE NO FLY FROM THE RIVER OUT FROM THE RIVER.

I MEAN THE FUEL IS ON THE RIVER. SO YOU WOULD YOU WOULD GET TO

BY THE RIVER. >> AND I THINK THE OTHER THING EVEN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE TRANSIENT VESSELS I MEAN THE INTERCOASTAL WATERWAY DOES RUN RIGHT THERE.

SO IT'S NOT THE WHERE NECESSARILY PULLING IN BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PLACES STOPPING AT GAS NOW. I MEAN IT'S THEY CHART THAT OUT NOW.

SO THIS PROVIDES PLACE I MEAN TO FUSCA USED TO BE ONE BUT TO BE HONEST THAT'S NOT.

DOES IT SEEM TO BE A CONSISTENT PLACE FOR FUELING AND AND WELL, GOOD.

>> DOESN'T IT MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU? NO.

I'M DOING ALL I GET A LITTLE ANTSY SOMETIME WHEN TALKING ABOUT MY BACKYARD, YOU KNOW,

ASTHMA. >> THAT'S MY LIFE. THAT'S WHERE MY DAD I KNOW EVERY INCH ALLOWED CLOSE MY EYES AND DRAW YOUR MAP HOW TO GET RIGHT UP IN THEIR OWN LOW TIDE IF YOU WANT ME TO QUESTION BEN SHOWING US HOW FAR IT IS TO GET TO ALL THESE PLACES BUT

WHEN YOU LEAVE THERE YOU GO IN SOMEWHERE WITH ME. >> SO I MEAN INSTEAD OF STILL LOOKING AT IT ABSOLUTELY LIKE YOU GOT TO RUN FOUR MILES OR SIX MILES TO GET FUEL WHERE YOU GO. I MEAN IF YOU GO THE OTHER WAY YOU GO INTO SAVANNAH AND GET FUEL THERE. I MEAN YOU'RE NOT YOU. YOU KNOW I MEAN IF YOU LEAVE

YOUR DOCK YOU GOTTA GO THAT WAY. >> I THINK SOME YOU GO TO A POINT. I THINK NOT EVERYBODY'S GOING FOR A DESTINATION.

YOU KNOW THIS WELL THEY MAY HAVE GONE FISHING, CRABBING, MAYBE GOING TO THE SANDBAR AND

AND NO FUEL'S ON THE WAY TO ANY OF THOSE. >> I MEAN LIKE SO YOU KNOW, I DO THINK THAT CLEARLY SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING HARBOR TOWN AND THEY CAN GET COULD GET FUEL THERE. BUT I THINK A LOT OF BOATING ACTIVITIES DON'T HAVE A DESTINATION. THEY HAVE ENJOYMENT OF THE RIVER AND THE ACTIVITIES OF RIDES AND THEN GOING BACK TO THE HOME ABOUT TO THE DRESS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SET IN THE DRY THE DRY DOCK VIEW THEY CAN DRY STACK CAN DO UPLAND FUEL CREDIT AND WE WOULD THINK THAT'S A BENEFIT OF ADDING SOME AMOUNT OF DRY STACK VERSUS ALL WET SLIP IS THAT YOU CERTAINLY

DO GET UPLAND FUEL THERE RATHER THAN FOR THE RIVER RIDERS. >> DO YOU THINK TRUE BOATERS NOW WE'VE KIND OF GONE THROUGH A GROWTH SPURT. I'M JUST CURIOUS AND MAYBE NO ONE KNOWS YET. MAYBE WE NEED TO GET. BUT I WONDER HOW MANY BOATERS ACTIVE BOATERS AREN'T GOING TO WANT TO GO RENT A BOAT OR GET ON THE GRACE.

ARE THERE GOING TO BE DAYS THING? I DON'T I THINK BACK THEN THAT

WAS WHERE THE 10 PERCENT CAME FROM. >> I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS A STUDY OR CONVERSATION BUT THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION BACK THEN WAS WE WERE ANTICIPATING WHEN WE DID THE 10 PERCENT ROUTE CHANGED THE DHARMA AGREEMENT WAS THAT WE WERE ANTICIPATING ACTUALLY 10 PERCENT OF OUR RESORTS FELT ESPECIALLY FULL TIME RESIDENT WERE GONNA BE

LOOKING FOR SOME TYPE OF ACCESS TO THE RIVER. >> YES.

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THANK YOU. BECAUSE THEY'RE 80 SLIGHT. I FOUND OUT TODAY THEY'RE 80 YEAR 77 0 7 SAID 80 ON HEALTH INFORMATION THAT JUST TOOK JUST FROM PALMETTO BLUFF RESIDENTS

OR IS UP FROM TOWN OF BLUFFTON . >> THIS STARTED OUT RESIDENTS

ALL STARTED OUT AS OPEN AND THEN AS THEY BUILT A DAY HABIT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, ANY

OTHER THOUGHTS? >> I APPRECIATE ALL OF Y'ALL COME IN HERE AND AT LEAST US IN THE AND THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE STILL HERE. I HEARD WHAT YOU WERE THINKING

. >> I'M JUST ONE PERSON YOU KNOW COULD PROBABLY TELL BY THE WAY I WAS TALKING WITHOUT. NO, NO. LET ME LET ME THROW OUT JUST TO GIVE BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONE TO READ. IF WE ARE CONCERNED IF THERE IS A CONCERN AND I'VE HEARD IT I HEARD FROM YOU. YOU'RE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE MARINA. YOU WERE ON THAT COMMITTEE AND TWO THOUSAND WHATEVER FOUR ISH THAT WHERE THE MARINA IS IT'S IT'S THE BEST PLACE IT COULD BE.

>> AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT I WRITE AND SAY NOTHING ABOUT THE FUEL.

>> BUT THE MARINA ITSELF, THEY HAVE A PERMIT. THEY CAN BUILD A MARINA WHERE

WE SAY YES OR NO. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO SAY YES TO ANYTHING ELSE IF WE DON'T WANT TO UP SOME THING THAT WAS SO THAT WAS COME IN.

>> I MEAN JUST KIND OF REHASH EVERYONE. THAT WAS HIS COMMENT.

I HAD THOUGHT AND I ACTUALLY HAD TALKED TO ONE ALL WHY DON'T WE? IT WOULD BE A THOUGHT TO GET GO BACK, GET THE CHARETTE BY THE COMMUNITY, GET BACK WITH YOU AND STAFF AND THE APPLICANT AND IF SOMEONE ON COUNCIL WANTED TO BE THAT LIAISON THEY COULD.

BUT TERRY AND I SPOKE AND HE REALLY HAD THE CLEANEST AND THE BEST WAY NOT TO START ALL OVER AGAIN IS TO GO TO NEGOTIATING COMMITTEES. SO I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT AT YOU. SO YOU MENTIONED NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE.

PERSONALLY I THINK THE ONLY WAY FOR MY CONCERN TO BE HEARD ABOUT WHAT SLIPS IS NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE BECAUSE IF WE DENY IT BOTH TO THE 50. CAN BE BUILT WHICH 50 IS FINE AND WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT'S GOING TO GO. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER CRM AND OTHERS ARE GOING TO DO DOWN THERE. SO I KNOW WE CAN BE ASSURED 50 IN A PHASE UP TO ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY 60 THAT CROSS YOUR HEART PAY IT THAT CAUSES YOU PAIN AND THAT'S GOING TO DETERMINE THE MOTION. SO I'M THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS AND THEN I DEFINITELY THINK FRED'S SUGGESTIONS SHOULD BE HEEDED OR SEVEN.

>> TWELVE HUNDRED RESIDENTS OR HOUSES THAT VOTE AND PAY TAXES AND LIVE IN THIS TOWN AND I SHOULD BE DEFINITELY HEARD MORE SO THAN OTHERS WHO JUST WANT TO BE THE LAST ONE IN AND SHUT THE DOOR. YOU KNOW, I GET THAT TOO. NOW WHAT WERE YOU SAY?

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY AS I HAD SAID AT THE BEGINNING, WE HAVE WE HAVE TWO REQUESTS ONE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AMENDMENT AND THEN ONE FOR THE CONCEPT PLAN AMENDMENT.

SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S THERE'S TWO MOTION YOU'LL HAVE TO MAKE TWO MOTIONS.

SO THE FIRST MOTION ASSOCIATED WITH THE FIFTH AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPING AGREEMENT AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IS THAT SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE CONCEPT PLAN EITHER.

>> WHATEVER WE DO, WHEREVER IT GOES IF ONE BOTH KNOW ABOUT THE OTHER.

>> YES, YES I WANT AND ON THE OTHER ARE ONE NEGOTIATING ONE. OK, I GET IT.

OK. THE COUNCIL THERE MAYOR MAMA. >> ONE MORE OBSERVATION FOR THE APPLICANT. MY FEELINGS YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT I'M BLUFF IS

CREATING PROBLEM. >> WE HAVE PROBLEMS THAT ALREADY EXIST.

YOU KNOW THERE'S LOTS OF DOCS UP AND DOWN, YOU KNOW, ALL JOY ALL OVER THE PLACE UP DOWN THE

MURRAY RIVER. >> THERE'S A LOT OF THAT. I THINK WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH IS LIKE THE MAYOR SAID A WHILE AGO, NOBODY KNEW WHEN THEY DID ALL THIS STUFF BACK IN 1998 THEY WEREN'T LIVING THIS NOW. THIS IS A COLLECTIVE COMPOUNDED PROBLEM OVER TIME THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AND THAT'S WHY YOU ALL SEEN SO MANY RESIDENTS COME OUT HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK AND OPPOSE AND EXPRESS THEIR FEELINGS. SO YOU KNOW, THAT'S HOW I'M LOOKING AND I'M NOT LOOKING AT IT LIKE JUST POUNDING THE BLUFFS GOING TO BUILD A MARINA

AND RUIN THE WORLD. >> I THINK WE'RE ON THE EDGE OF SOME ISSUES ALREADY THAT HAVE GOTTEN ALL OF US TO THIS LOCATION. YOU JUST HAPPENED TO COME IN ON TOP OF IT AND SO BUT THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE OUTCOME OR WHAT THE NEEDS ARE.

SO I FOR ONE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR INTENTIONS WOULD BE. I WOULD RECOMMEND NEGOTIATE COMMITTEE TO SEE IF THERE IS ANY AVENUES THERE TO FOR US TO EXPLORE THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING

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>> RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. WE WOULD JUST COME BACK HERE.

WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO ANYWHERE ELSE. I MEAN WHEN WE GET TO THE NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE SAYS IF WE LIKE IT WE CAN DO. BUT THEY SAY IF WE DON'T LIKE IT, WE CAN SAY THERE WERE MAJOR AMENDMENTS, SOMETHING THAT WAS WAY OUTSIDE OF DRY STACK AND

FUEL OVER WATER. >> YOU REACH SOME AGREEMENT THAT IT WAS WAY OUTSIDE THOSE TWO CONCEPTS. IT WOULD BE MY ADVICE. THAT WOULD BE A MATERIAL CHANGE. YOU WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION BEFORE CAME BACK TO YOU BUT ULTIMATELY WOULD COME BACK TO YOU WOULD YOU BEER?

>> WE HAVEN'T DONE IT. ROBERT, YOU'RE THERE TO TELL US WE'RE GOING OUTSIDE OUR LANE AT

THAT TIME WE WOULD HELP. >> WE WOULD HELP WITH THAT DETERMINATION AND IF THAT'S

WHAT I WANT TO DO. >> YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY REASON I'M LIKE YOU'RE NOT RIGHT

BEFORE YOUR QUESTIONS IS NO FOLLOW WITH YOU WANT TO DO. >> I MEAN YOU'RE THE WATER GUY,

LARRY. >> I MEAN WELL, I MEAN THERE ARE THERE ARE CONCESSIONS THAT

COULD BE MADE AS FAR AS THE DRAW STACK ESPECIALLY. >> BUT IT'S IT'S IT'S NOT I'M

NOT GOING TO AGREE TO IT THE WAY IT IS NOW. >> I WANT TO GO TO THE NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE IN ASH SOME THINGS OUT AND COME UP WITH A BETTER PLAN AND WHAT WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW. I'M OKAY WITH IT BUT THEY WELL I'M NOT.

>> I MEAN I'M NOT SURE WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING BUT OR Y'ALL WHOEVER IS ON THE

NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE IS THE ABILITY TO GO AND ASK. >> I MEAN YOU'RE IN A LEGAL MANNER AND I WAS ONLY GIVING I KNOW I ALWAYS THINK OF YOU ALL AND ALL OF US.

ALL RIGHT. WE YOU. THE ARMY IF WE COULD GET YOU THERE. YEAH. WE HAVE TO GO TO THAT NEXT TIME. I UNDERSTAND. IF I CAN SAY EVERYTHING YOU SAID IN MY MIND. WE COULD GET SOMETHING DONE IN NINE MONTHS TIME.

I KNOW I CAN DO THAT. THIS IS IT'S NOT LEGAL. >> IF THE COUNCIL CHOSE TO GO

THE NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE ROUND IT WOULD BE NUMBER FIVE. >> THAT'S ON YOUR COMPUTER.

AGAIN, KEVIN , YOU SAID IT IT WILL GROW INTO ONE CONCEPT THAT I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER BUT YOU

SAID DEVELOP. >> OH OKAY. OKAY.

>> THE MOTION ARE YA? >> I WANT TO READ IT THE RIGHT WAY.

NOT THAT I KNOW HOW SUPER IMPORTANT THIS IS. SO YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE THIS

BEFORE AND WE'VE NEVER HEARD BACK. >> OH, OK.

>> SO IF Y'ALL ARE FINE WITH THAT I WILL READ THE MOTION THAT WAY.

>> LET ME ASK A QUESTION FIRST AND KELSO GIVE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER OF COURSE THEN THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I WANT TO GO NEGOTIATING POSSIBLY CAN HAVE

AN OPINION OR RECOMMENDATION TO THE NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE. >> MY UNDERSTANDING IS TWO OF YOU ALL SIT ON THE NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE AS WELL SO YOU WILL BE THE ONES TAKING

THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. >> LET ME ASK THIS TO YOU. THAT'S CORRECT.

SHOULD WE NOT ASK THE APPLICANT DO THEY ACTUALLY WANT TO VOTE TONIGHT OR THEY WANT TO TAKE THAT CHANCE OR DO YOU WANT TO GO TO THE NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE ?

>> THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO LAST ALL OF TIME. I'M NOT GOING TO GO BEFORE I GOT CHRISTMAS AND THANKSGIVING . COME ON.

>> YEAH. LOOK, WE'RE PARTNERS IN THIS AS YOU SAID SO.

YES. YES. GUESS WELL YES WE SHOULD.

YES, WE WILL. WE CAN SIT DOWN IN THE NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE HERE

MOTION, HUH? >> CAN I PUT THAT BACK AND THEN TELL ME GO BACK TO CAN YOU GO

BACK AND FORTH? >> YEAH. OK, BASED ON THE MOTION I'M ABOUT TO MAKE IT WOULD BE TO REFER THE REQUEST TO THE NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE TO NEGOTIATE THE TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND CONSENT PLAN WHICH RELATE TO DOCS FUELING DRASTIC STORAGE OR ANY ADDITIONAL TERMS RELATED TO THE APPLICATION DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND CONCEPT PLAN WITH THE MOTION ALONG WITH THE MOTION TO REFER TO NEGOTIATING

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COUNCIL GET INPUT? >> HE SAID YES. >> WELL THE NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE HAS TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL. NO, I MEAN BUT WE CAN GIVE SOME CONDITIONS YOU WANT TO IF YOU FEEL THAT AMEND THE MOTION TO INCLUDE AH THINKING BACK FROM CONDITION FROM COUNCIL RECOMMENDATIONS RECALLS NO ONE COULD GIVE ME RECOMMENDATIONS.

>> I WANT SOMETHING AS AN AMENDMENT IF YOU'RE A SECOND AMENDMENT THERE'S ALWAYS GOING THERE A SECOND TO THE AMENDMENT RIGHT QUESTION BECAUSE I THINK DISCUSSION BUT RIGHT NOW I'M NO

PROBLEM. >> I SEE THAT AMENDMENT IS THAT IF IF YOU WORDED RECOMMENDATION COUNCIL IT WOULD HAVE TO COME FROM A COUNCIL MEETING RECOMMENDATION OF THE ENTIRE

COUNCIL. >> I WOULD I WOULD SUGGEST AN URGE THAT HAVE THE YOU HAVE THE MECHANISM TO SPEAK WITH WHOEVER THE MAYOR SHE'S GOING TO PUT TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS ON

NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE. >> WE HAVE ONE RIGHT NOW. >> WE HAVE NEGOTIATED COMMITTEE

WE HAVE AND WE HAVE ONE WE ALREADY HAVE. >> FRED IS A PORTABLE HOUSING.

WE HAVE PLANNING WE HAVE WE HAVE A GOOD GROUP RIGHT NOW AND THAT HAS KNOWLEDGE AND CHAIRED

KIND OF SEATS THAT THEY DON'T BUT USED IN SUCH A LONG TIME. >> I FORGOT.

YEAH. IN FACT I THINK THAT IF YOU HAMILTON'S COUNCILMAN HAMILTON'S ENDOWMENT I THINK WIRE RECOMMENDED OCEAN AND A VOTE IN AN OPEN SESSION LIKE

THIS. >> SO I WOULD I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH ANYONE BEING ABLE TO TALK TO YOU IF YOU ARE NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE WITH RECOMMENDING THAT AND MAKE THAT PART OF YOUR NEGOTIATIONS NO GOOD, I WOULD URGE THAT THE THAT PERHAPS YOU WITHDRAW ALL THE MOTION AND JUST GO WITH WITH MAYOR POWER DISCUSSING IT.

THIS IS ALSO OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND I KNOW SOME GET UPSET WHEN I INCLUDE PUBLIC BUT THIS IS A BIG DEAL AND I WILL GIVE A BREAK FOR THE PUBLIC TO TALK. SO THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE GONNA YOU'RE THERE YOU CAN TALK I WAS TALKING ABOUT NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE.

WELL LET'S DO IT THEN I'LL. OK. WELL YOU I WOULD LIKE TO

WITHDRAW MY AMENDMENT. >> I MEAN ANYTHING ELSE WITH HIM ON THAT? OK. GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION IN ANY OTHER DISCUSSION

[X.7. Consideration of an Ordinance for an Approval of a Second Amendment to the Palmetto Bluff Concept Plan to Provide for Dockside Fueling and a Second Dry Stack Boat Storage at the Big House Tract's Anson Marina (CPA-03-21-015140) - First Reading - Kevin Icard, Director of Growth Management]

>> THE NEXT IS ON THE RECOMMENDATION TO REFER IT. MAYBE DON'T GO TO.

NO NOT YET. I WANT TO READ IT RIGHT. THINK ABOUT SARAH RECOMMENDATION TO REFER TO NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE THE REST OF COURSE BY PALMETTO BLUFF DEVELOPMENT LLC FOR A SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE PALMETTO BLUFF CONCEPT PLAN TO PROVIDE FOR DOCKSIDE FUELING AND A SECOND DRY DOCK STACK BOAT STORAGE IT BIG HOUSE TRACK AND A MARINA NEGOTIATE THE TERMS OF THE DEVELOPING AGREEMENT IN CONCEPT PLAN WHICH RELATE TO DOCK SIDE FUELING DRASTIC STORAGE OR IN THE ADDITIONAL TERMS RELATED TO THE APPLICATION DEVELOPMENT

AGREEMENT IN CONCEPT LAND SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION? SO JUST QUICK THINKING THROUGH OUR NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE AND HOW WE REALLY WAS LIKE THE WILD WILD WEST. I THINK WE ALL NEED GUIDELINES ON WHAT TO LOOK AT AND I THINK STEPHEN CAN GET THOSE GUIDELINES FROM HIS MEETINGS WITH ALL OF US OF WHAT WE'D LIKE TO FOCUS ON. SO MAYBE THAT WILL HELP ANY DISCUSSION.

ALL IN FAVOR START BY SAYING I BUY A POST. THAT'S OK.

IS THERE A CONSENT AGENDA I THINK. >> THANK YOU, KEVIN , THIS MAN

[XI. Consent Agenda Items]

[03:25:01]

[XII. Executive Session]

IS THERE A MOTION TO GO ON EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR TWO ITEMS ? DISCUSSIONS RELATING TO NEGOTIATIONS AND CONTRACTUAL ARRANGEMENTS ARE REAL PROPERTY IN BLUFFTON PARK AND POP CULTURE PLACE AT 34 A 70 82 AND DISCUSSIONS RELATING NEGOTIATIONS CONTRACTUAL ARRANGEMENTS FOR ACQUISITION OF GHOST ROADS IN AND AROUND OLD TOWN THAT'S FOR YOU AT THIRTY 34 SEVENTY EIGHT TO MOVE THEIR SECOND DISCUSSION WILL THERE'LL BE ACTION. DO YOU SEE ANY ACTION FROM EITHER OF THESE ITEMS PERHAPS ON THE BOARD? YEAH YEAH YEAH POTENTIALLY PROBABLY MAY HAVE ACTIONABLE ITEM NUMBER ONE THE ACTION FRAME FOR THE PAPER ALL IN FAVOR STATE BY SAYING I OPPOSED WE'RE BACK HERE. Y'ALL CAN STAND HERE FIVE MINUTE BREAK BETWEEN THEY HAVE

A THREE MINUTE BY MINUTE RIGHT. >> SHE'S .

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.