Nov 03, 2021 Town of Bluffton Historic Preservation Commission

[I. CALL TO ORDER]

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THAT MEANS THAT WE STARTING OUR MEETING AND TODAY IS WEDNESDAY NOVEMBER 3RD AND IT'S

[II. ROLL CALL]

APPROXIMATELY 6 0 3. >> THIS IS THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION

MEETING. >> AND IF WE ARE CALLING TO ORDER AND IF I CAN HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. DARBY WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME PLEASE STATE HERE OR PRESENT

FOR THE RECORD. >> BRUCE TRIMBLE PRESENT. EILEEN GALLAGHER ADAMS. JESSE SOLOMON HERE. GARY BOX BELL TERRY SMELTER HERE.

JOSH SIMPSON. MICHAEL, THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

[III. NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT]

>> THAT MEANS WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. JUST WANTED TO STATE THAT NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION WILL NOT HEAR NEW ITEMS AFTER 930 UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT ITEMS WHICH NOT HAVE BEEN HEARD BEFORE 930 MAY BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT REGULAR

[IV. NOTICE REGARDING PUBLIC COMMENTS*]

NOTICE REGARDING PUBLIC COMMENTS I OF THE PUBLIC WHO IS RECOGNIZED TO SPEAK SHALL ADDRESS THE CHAIRMAN AND IN SPEAKING AVOID DISRESPECT TO COMMISSION STAFF AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE MEETING. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS WHEN SPEAKING FOR THE RECORD

[V. ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA]

AGENDA AS WRITTEN. >> I NATIONALLY ADOPT THE AGENDA ALL IN FAVOR I TRY ANY

[VI. ADOPTION OF MINUTES]

>> WE HAVE A COPY OF THAT AND HOPE YOU REVIEW DAD IF WE CAN GET A MOTION FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES I'D I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE OCTOBER 6TH MEETING

MINUTES. >> WE'RE LOOKING FOR A SECOND IN ANY DISCUSSIONS.

>> ALL IN FAVOR AND I'M NOT GOING TO ADOPT HIM BECAUSE I WASN'T HERE.

SO ADOPTION OF MINUTES. DOES THAT MAKE A PROBLEM? THERE'S ONLY TWO PEOPLE THAT

WERE ALL RIGHT. >> I WAS NOT. I THINK MIKE WAS THERE AND I WAS THERE. SO I GUESS SO THAT DOES POSE A PROBLEM.

>> SO WE'LL JUST HAVE TO HOLD OFF ON THAT SINCE THERE'S NOT A MAJORITY TO VOTE ON IT.

>> SO SHOULD WE JUST PUT THIS OFF FOR NEXT DECEMBER MEETING THEN?

IS THAT WHAT WE NEED TO DO OR HOW DO WE DO THAT? >> YES, BUT JUST TO FINISH THE MOTION. CAN I HAVE YOU ALL TAKE YOUR VOTE SO THAT I'VE GOT IT IN THE RECORD AS TO WHO ATTEMPTED TO VOTE TONIGHT. SO THAT NEXT TIME WE'VE HAD A CLOSED MOTION HERE. ONCE I AND YOU TWO ARE NOT HERE.

>> PERFECT. THANK YOU. RYAN SO THAT MAKES SENSE THAT WE CLEAR ON THAT DARBY YES. PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEM IS NOT ON THE AGENDA.

LET'S SEE DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC? WE HAVE TWO PUBLICS OWN HERE BUT IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE RIGHT. IF YOU'RE PUBLIC TOO.

[IX.1. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by Ansley H. Manuel, on behalf of the owners James Mitchell and Laurie Brown, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness to allow the addition of 800 SF to the existing 2-story building of approximately 3,135 SF and a Carriage House of approximately 1,334 SF located at 38 Lawrence Street in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood General-HD. . (COFA-07-21-015662)(Staff - Katie Peterson)]

WILL BE DOING THE PRESENTATION AND THANK YOU, KATIE. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, TONIGHT BEFORE US WE HAVE A REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ALLOW THE ADDITION OF EIGHT HUNDRED SQUARE FEET TO AN EXISTING TWO STOREY STRUCTURE OF APPROXIMATELY THREE THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY FIVE SQUARE FEET AND A CARRIAGE HOUSE AND APPROXIMATELY 1000 334 SQUARE FEET LOCATED AT 38 LAWRENCE STREET IN THE OLD TOWN LEFT IN HISTORIC DISTRICT.

>> IT IS ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL HD. THIS IS THE PARCEL HERE ON THE LOCATION MAP. YOU CAN SEE LAWRENCE HERE RUNNING ACROSS THE SCREEN WITH CALHOUN TO YOUR RIGHT. IT IS A T SHAPED PARCEL THAT YOU CANNOT SEE MUCH OF THIS FROM FROM WARREN STREET BUT THAT IS WHERE IT GAINS ACCESS. SO THAT IS THE FRONT OF THE LOT THERE AND THERE IS THE COVE THAT RUNS THROUGH THE BACK PORTION OR THE IT'S ACTUALLY THE FRONT. THE LEFT PORTION OF THE LOT BECAUSE THE FRONT IS LAWRENCE STREET. HOWEVER, THE WAY THE STRUCTURE IS FACING IT KIND OF ADDRESSES THE COVE WHICH MAKES SENSE FOR THIS LOT. YOU CAN SEE HERE IT IS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL H2 ZONING DISTRICT AND SURROUNDED ON ALL SIDES THAT ARE ACCESSIBLE REALLY BY THE SAME. YOU'VE GOT THE GREEN STREET GO STONE TO THE END HERE AND THAT WOULD BE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER THAT YOU'RE SEEING TO THIS OUT .

>> THESE ARE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE STRUCTURE. SO THIS IS THE LITTLE CARRIAGE HOUSE THAT IS BEING PROPOSED OR NOT. I'M SORRY IT EXISTS.

IT'S BEING PROPOSED TO BE CHANGED FROM A SHOP WORKSHOP AREA TO THE MASTER BEDROOM.

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SO YOU'D BE STANDING HERE IN THIS BUSH WHEN YOU TOOK THAT FIRST PICTURE?

>> THE SECOND PICTURE IS FROM WHAT IS TOWARDS THE COVE . THIS IS THE SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE THAT FACES AWAY FROM THE COAST. NO, I'M SORRY.

THIS FACES TOWARDS THE HOUSE. SO THE HOUSE IS DIRECTLY BEHIND THIS.

AND THEN THIS IS STANDING ON THE EXISTING PATIO. YOU CAN SEE I THINK PROBABLY PART OF A HOT TUB COVERING HERE THAT FACES TOWARDS THE SIDE THERE.

SO THERE IS AN EXISTING SHOWER AND PAD UNDER THIS FENCING AREA AND YOU CAN SEE THE ROOFLINE

HAS A SMALL BUMP IN IT HERE. >> THIS IS THE CORNER BETWEEN THE THE OUTSIDE PORCH AND THE HOUSE. SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S THE TREE THAT IS NOTED ON THE TREE.

>> YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DISTURB THE TREE. MR. THE TREE WILL BE REMOVED.

>> SO THIS IS THE FRONT CORNER OF THE HOUSE AND YOU'RE SEEING THIS IS THE CORNER THAT YOU'RE SEEING THAT'S SO CLOSE TO THE EXISTING CARRIAGE HOUSE. SO ON OUR PLAN HERE YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE CARRIAGE HOUSE. WE HAD PICTURES OF THE RED STRIPES EDITION AND THEN THIS IS THE EXISTING PRIMARY STRUCTURE. SO THAT SHOWER IS LOCATED IN THE RED STRIPES HERE AT THE BACK OF THE LOT. AND THE PORCH THAT YOU SEE ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS ALSO IN THAT RED AREA. SO REALLY THE ONLY NEW FOOTPRINT THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE GATHERING IS THE SMALL AMOUNT HERE TYING THE TWO STRUCTURES TOGETHER. IT'LL BE A SMALL HYPHEN THERE. SO THIS IS THE COVE HERE WITH THAT OCR 100 FOOT SETBACK ALL THE WAY BACK HERE WITH THE 60 PERCENT REDUCTION.

SO ONLY 40 PERCENT OF THE LAW IS WITHIN THE 0 0 AND IT FALLS HERE AT THIS LINE.

>> THIS IS THE FIRST FLOOR EXISTING. AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THAT SHOWER AREA. THE EXISTING PATIO AND THE EXISTING PRIMARY STRUCTURE WHEN THE ADDITION IS ADDED ON YOU GET THIS SMALL PORTION HERE, THIS LITTLE GUY HERE.

AND THEN THE PROPOSED GREAT ROOM ADDS HERE FOR THE SECOND FLOOR.

>> THEY ARE NOT MODIFYING. SO THE SECOND FLOOR IS EXISTING AND DOESN'T CHANGE.

BUT YOU'LL SEE THE ROOFLINE HERE AND THAT IS A PORTION OF THE FRAMING PLANT IN THE TOP

CORNER. >> BUT I REMOVED THAT FROM THE SCREEN.

>> SO THE FRONT ELEVATION I HAVE PUT ALL THE ELEVATIONS ON THE SAME SIDE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO FLIP BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE THOUSAND DIFFERENT THINGS.

SO THE TOP ONE IS ALWAYS EXISTING. THE BOTTOM ONE IS GOING TO BE WHAT IS PROPOSED. SO FOR YOUR FRONT ELEVATION HERE WHICH IS AGAIN THE SIDE

THAT IS FACING LAWRENCE STREET. >> BUT IT IS NOT WHAT READS THE FRONT OF THIS STRUCTURE BECAUSE IT IS NOT THE ONE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT BEFORE OUR UNIFIED DEPARTMENT ORDINANCE WAS IN PLACE. SO THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION STREET IS THE ADDRESS.

>> YES. BUT IT IS A VERY PECULIAR SHAPED LIKE A T-SHIRT BLINDS.

YEAH. IT'S EASEMENT TO DRESS IT SO IT LOOKS LIKE THESE EASEMENT IS SUCH A YEAH YEAH IT'S IT'S NOT EASEMENT I KNOW IT IS A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY ISN'T IT.

>> SO THAT'S NOT AN EASY ONE THAT'S ACTUALLY CORRECT BUT IT'S THE ACCESS POINT OF WHAT A

NICE LITTLE CONDO. >> YES WE ENJOY THE ONLY THING THAT'S BEING CHANGED ON THIS ELEVATION IS THAT THIS DOOR HERE IS BECOMING A WINDOW AND THEN ON THE EAST ELEVATION WHICH THIS IS THE SITE THAT FRONTS THE COVE READS IS THE FRONT BUT IS ACTUALLY LEFT FOR THOSE OF YOU FOLLOWING ALONG THE THE MAJORITY OF THAT ADDITION IS GOING INTO THIS

SPACE RIGHT HERE BETWEEN THE TWO STRUCTURES. >> SO THAT WAS THE PORCH OVERHANG. IT'S BECOMING THIS HYPHEN AREA WITH THE WINDOWS AND THEN THEY'RE TAKING OUT THE SINGLE WINDOW ON THIS ELEVATION AND PUTTING IN TWO WINDOWS SO THAT IT IS MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE WINDOW PATTERNS ON THE REST OF THE STRUCTURE, THE REAR

ELEVATION. >> AND AGAIN THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN SEE THAT HYPHEN BEYOND THIS IS WHERE THAT SHOWER AREA WAS. SO IT'S THE ROOFLINE IS COMING OUT OF WHERE THAT IS COMING UP FROM ABOUT A THIRD OF THE WAY DOWN, MAYBE HALF THE WAY DOWN AND EXTENDING ON OVER THIS TO CREATE THAT SMALL BATHROOM AND THEN THE WEST ELEVATION WHICH IS THE SIDE THAT IS FACING THE

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SO AGAIN, NOTHING IS CHANGING ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE EXCEPT THE ADDITION THAT TIES THE TWO STRUCTURES TOGETHER HERE AND THEN YOU WILL NO LONGER HAVE THE FENCED IN OUTDOOR SHOWER.

YOU'LL HAVE AN INDOOR SHOWER INSTEAD WITH THE TWO WINDOWS HERE ON THE SIDE.

>> SO PRIMARILY WHILE THIS IS VERY MUCH AN ADDITION TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, IT IS REALLY IN ADDITION TO THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BUT THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WILL NO LONGER BE AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. IT WILL BE PART OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS HOW THAT ALL COMES TOGETHER THERE. I I'VE ADDED THE WALL SECTIONS FOR YOU HERE AND THEN THE OTHER DETAILS THAT WE'VE GOT YOUR WINDOW TRIM CORNER AND YOUR CHIMNEY CAP OR THE ONES WE TYPICALLY LOOK AT HERE ALONG WITH THE DOORS AND THE ROOM SCHEDULE WHICH THAT IS LESS IMPORTANT FOR THE EXTERIOR REVIEW HERE AND THEN I HAVE THE ACTIONS WHICH YOU CAN TAKE.

>> SO THE HPC SHALL CONSIDER THE EIGHT CRITERIA FOUND IN SECTION 318 THREE OF OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE. AND CONSIDER THAT WHEN THEY REVIEW THE CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION THEY CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT WE HAVE AND WE HERE ON BEHALF OF THE BROWNS AS WELL AS THE BROWNS AND THEN WE HAVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WHICH INCLUDES THE THREE FOLLOWING COMMENTS IF YOU DON'T MIND MR. CHAIRMAN I WILL RUN THROUGH ALL THREE SINCE THERE ARE ONLY THREE AND THEN OPEN UP THE

FLOOR TO ME THAT'S A GOOD IDEA . >> THESE ARE FAIRLY EASY TO RUN THROUGH. ALL RIGHT. YOU GUYS THE FIRST ONE IS THAT

TREE. >> IT'S A 20 INCH LIVE OAK THAT IS PROPOSED FOR REMOVAL RIGHT THERE NEXT TO THE HOUSE. IT IS VERY CLOSE TO THE STRUCTURE.

SO ANY WORK THAT WOULD BE DONE IN THAT AREA WOULD WOULD AFFECT THE ROOT SYSTEM BUT IT WILL NEED TO HAVE A TON OF LOCKED IN TO REMOVE A PERMIT FOR THE REMOVAL OF THAT.

THEY MEET THE CANOPY COVERAGE WITH THE REMOVAL OF THAT TREE BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE AREA THAT IS WITHIN THE COVE AREA. SO WE HAVE CHECKED THE THE CANOPY CALCULATIONS ON THAT MINUS THE EXISTING TREE THAT IS PROPOSED REMOVAL. THE SECOND ONE IS THAT THE PLYWOOD MATERIAL THIS OFFICE WILL NEED TO BE REPLACED WITH A HARDY MATERIAL OR A TRUE WOOD MATERIAL OF A DURABLE WOOD MATERIAL. IT IS JUST SHOWN IN THE ONE WALL SECTION HERE. SO IT'S THE PLYWOOD FORFEIT THERE THAT WOULD NEED TO BE REPLACED AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS THAT BECAUSE THIS IS AN ADDITION TO AN EXISTING STRUCTURE, A DETERMINATION ON THE FINISHED FLOOR HEIGHT WILL NEED TO BE MADE SINCE THIS IS A CARRIAGE HOUSE AND PRIMARY STRUCTURE THAT WERE BUILT AT GRADE WHEN IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN THE EARLY 2000S. MM. YES EARLY 2003 WAS 2002.

>> YES. 2000. >> OK.

I WAS OFF ON IT BY ONE YEAR OR TWO YEARS. HOWEVER THE EXISTING FINISHED FLOOR IS LESS THAN THREE FEET ABOVE AVERAGE ADJACENT SIDEWALK GRADE.

BUT IT DOES MATCH THE PROPOSED ADDITION. SO THE MOTION WE NEED TO JUST

ADDRESS THAT AND SEE THAT BECAUSE AND WE HAVE DONE IT. >> EXISTING STRUCTURE MATCHING FLOOR HEIGHTS SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE STATED SO THAT TERMINATION WE HAVE TO DETERMINE THERE WAS MOTIONING SAID I'LL JUST TURN THAT ONE RED FOR YOU ALSO THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS SOMETHING THAT CANNOT JUST BE PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION IF YOU CHOOSE TO

FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THIS. >> ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU FEEL IS ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS AS

WELL. >> SO THAT I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT AND EACH PRC IS THE

HEIGHT OF THE CHIMNEY. >> I GUESS SOME FOR CODE HAS TO BE ABOVE LIVING QUARTERS AND

FEET OVER TWO FEET UP FRONT. >> BUT THE MAIN ROOFLINE YOU GO TO SAY THE ROOF LIKE THIS YOU GOT 10 FEET OVER IT HAS TO BE TWO FEET HIGHER THAN THAT. OKAY, GREAT.

SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO SAY WHERE WE'RE IN. >> GREAT.

THANK YOU. BUT I JUST YOU REALLY RETROFITTING THE EXISTING CHIMNEY KIND OR ALL OUT IS COMPLETELY REPLACE YOUR THE BACK TO BACK IT'S OPEN.

>> OKAY. YES. RIGHT THERE ON ONE SIDE.

EVEN IF WE TRIED TO WORK WITH IT BOTH. SO YOU'RE GONNA SEE IT FROM

BOTH SIDES. COOL. >> YOU CURRENTLY YOU CURRENTLY

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FEEL. YES. >> CURRENTLY CRITTERS COULD CRAWL INTO THE BEDROOM PROPOSED THEY WILL NO LONGER BE RIGHT. I'M JUST GONNA SAY IS NUMBER ONE WITH A COOL LOCKED IT'S JUST REALLY AN INTERESTING LINE AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A PLACE IN AN OPINION HERE AND I JUST THINK DISCUSSIONS ARE I WOULD YOU SAY IT'S SUPER HELPFUL TO

HAVE THESE ELEVATIONS BACK TO BACK? >> I MEAN IT MAKES IT COMPLETELY MAKES SENSE TO ME TO WANT TO ENCLOSE AND MAKE THAT, YOU KNOW, ACCESSORY BUILDING PART OF THE MAIN BUILDING FOR ANOTHER I HAVE A MASTER BEDROOM ON THE FIRST FLOOR MAT OFFICE.

>> YOU REALLY READ STILL WITH THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND THEN IT'S CLEAR THAT THAT'S A GONNA

HAVE TO TRUST. >> BUT IN ORDER TO SEE THIS IT'S BEEN A LONG PROCESS

WORKING PARTY. >> THIS IS INTERESTING BECAUSE SOMETIMES I TRY TO GO LOOK PLACES AND IT'S LIKE IF I WANT TO PASS I'LL TAKE SOME PICTURES FOR YOU AND I HAVE TO GO OUT

THERE AND DO MY INSPECTION. >> YES. AGAIN ENDS LIKE COULD YOU

PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE? >> I'M YOU CAN TRACK IT CLOSER TO YOU. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE THE WORKSHOP WAS BUILT AT A SEPARATE TIME AND MAYBE MITCH AND RORY ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS IS THE SOF FIT ALREADY OR IS IT I KNOW THE MAIN HOUSE WAS THE PLYWOOD SOFT SO WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS BECAUSE WE'RE CONVERTING AN EXISTING BUILDING THAT ALREADY HAS A PLYWOOD SOFT IT THAT LITTLE REAR SECTION OF ADDITION I WOULD BE CHANGING THE SOFT MATERIAL TO HARDY AND JUST THAT ONE SECTION HAD THAT ELEMENT AND SO WE KNOW THAT THERE MAY BE A PICTURE OF IT BUT I JUST THINK THAT YOU'RE NOT REDOING THE OUTSIDE OF THE ENTIRE BUILDING.

>> YOU JUST ADDING TO THIS AREA. >> RIGHT.

SO IT'D BE HERE THE SECTION OF NEW SOF IT THERE WON'T MATCH THE EXISTING SAW FIT IN HERE AND BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A LITTLE AMOUNT I THINK IT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO MATCH IT.

>> INTERESTING NO COMMENT. SOMEBODY HAVE A FEELING THAT YOU KNOW A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE'RE DOING MATCHING EXISTING THAT'S THE PRECEDENT SET. SO IN OTHER WORDS SOMEBODY CAN COME IN AND JUST SAY HEY, I WANT TO DO THIS. WE'RE I'M MR. PRECEDENT SET.

YOU KNOW WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HAVING SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE SO THAT IF SOMEBODY ELSE COMES BEHIND US, IF YOU COME BEHIND US AND TWO YEARS FROM NOW

SEEING ANOTHER RECEIPT, YOU YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. >> RIGHT.

SO THIS IS KIND OF AN INTERESTING COMMENT. I KIND OF MISSED IT.

CAN YOU POINT OUT AGAIN WHERE THE EXISTING WORK WHERE THE SOFT ON THIS FINE.

YEAH. FROM ABOUT HERE TO HERE THIS WHOLE STRETCH STRETCH HERE AND THEN ON THE FRONT THIS STRETCH HERE IS WHAT WILL BE THE NEW AND THERE MAY BE A LITTLE BIT HERE WHERE THEY TIRED OF THE EXISTING WE JUST EVERYTHING TO THE WHAT THIS HERE IS EXISTING.

>> OKAY. AND THEN TO THE BASE IS EXISTING EVERYTHING TO THE LEFT

INTO THE RIGHT IS PLYWOOD. >> YES YES EVEN EVEN ON THE MAIN BUILDING RIGHT NOW THAT DON'T I ALMOST THINK THE TRANSITION WOULD ACTUALLY LOOK A LITTLE AWKWARD.

>> AND AGAIN IT'S NOT ALREADY A NON-COMPLIANT MATERIAL ON THE EXISTING SUCH A LITTLE SECTION

CHANGE IN LAYOUT PLEASE. >> THAT WOULD BE A TASK JUST ENVY.

>> DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW IF IT'S 2011? WHAT IS DO YOU KNOW? I THINK IT'S JUST PUT IT OUT PUTTING OUT THERE MAYBE A PICTURE.

YEAH IT'S WE'RE NOT IN DANGER IS ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU KATIE.

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>> WE'RE NOT IN DANGER OF LIKE THIS ISN'T MORE THIS OBVIOUSLY ISN'T MORE THAN 50 PERCENT OF NO. THAT'S A GOOD POINT TOO ON THE REAR OF THE BUILDING OBVIOUSLY

THE REAR MAIN BUILDING. >> OKAY. I DON'T INTO THE EXPOSED RAPTOR TAIL. THEY'RE NEVER EXPOSED AFTER THALES.

YOU'RE JUST GOING TO MATCH EXACTLY THE EXISTING RIGHT BILL CAN SEE IT.

OKAY. THERE'S A GOOD ONE. SO YOU JUST GO I KNOW WHERE TO GO IF I NEED TO MAKE A PHONE CALL IN THE SHOWER THAT'S I MEAN I PERSONALLY I'M OKAY WITH

IT. >> AGAIN, I THINK YOUR ARGUMENT IS VALID.

I'M LOOKING FOR THE REST OF THE KATIE I MEAN IS THERE ANYTHING THAT THAT PROHIBITS US FROM

ALLOWING THIS THAT IN ANY BUILDING CODES ARE HISTORICAL? >> IT DOES NOT.

>> WELL, SO THE UNIFIED RELEVANT ORDINANCE CALLS OUT THAT ROUGH SUN WOOD OR PLYWOOD MATERIAL IN THIS OFF IT IS NOT PERMITTED. THAT BEING SAID, WITH THE HPC IS AUTHORITY YOU CAN YOU CAN ALLOW A DEVIATION FROM THAT WHEN IT IS WARRANTED TO ALLOW

FOR ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS WHEN THEY ARE APPROPRIATE. >> SO WITH THE PRECEDENT THAT THIS IS AN EXISTING STRUCTURE AND AND THE MATERIAL TO MATCH THAT OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE RATHER THAN AND IT'S LESS THAN 50 PERCENT LIKE YOU SWEAR IT WAS WHAT IT WAS A DIFFERENT TOPIC. BUT YES, IT IS LESS THAN 50 PERCENT BUT THAT WAS THE LEAST I COULD SEE THAT THERE WOULD BE. I JUST MADE AN ARGUMENT FOR IT

. EXISTING. >> YEAH.

I MEAN I WAS JUST ASKING THERE'S A CERTAIN POINT WHERE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG WITH A IF YOU HAVE A NONCONFORMING BUILDING, IF YOU ARE MAKING A ADDITIONS OR CHANGES THAT ARE MORE THAN 50 PERCENT OF THE VALUE THEN YOU WOULD NEED TO BRING THE BUILDING TO CODE OR

SOMETHING LIKE WELL THAT BUILDING CODE . >> YES OR NO? BLOCK 2. I MEAN WHAT YOU TOUCH MUST BE CONFORMING.

YES. AND THIS IS THIS IS ACCEPTABLE .

>> I MEAN I THINK WITH YOU KNOW THE MAIN STRUCTURE BEING THE PLYWOOD MATERIAL AND A LITTLE LESS THAN 50 PERCENT LIKE 40 PERCENT OR SO OF THAT THE SHED THAT IS PLYWOOD RIGHT NOW.

>> I MEAN I THINK THAT I MEAN TO ME IT WOULD LOOK A LITTLE WEIRD TO BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT. AND THOSE IF THAT'S AT THIS POINT IT WOULD BE I MEAN I

WOULDN'T SAY I WOULD KEEP IT. >> IT'S ALREADY BEEN IN THE PLYWOOD.

THE REST OF THE BUILDING HAS ALREADY BEEN CONSTRUCTED. I THINK IT WOULD BE AN ENVIRONMENTAL CHOICE TO REMOVE IT ALL AND REPLACE IT WITH THAT IF WHOEVER HIRES TO MAKE A

MOTION IF THE MOTION VERBIAGE TO ALLOW THE CHANGE. >> BUT WHY WILL THAT IS CONSIST

? >> YEAH I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT EACH P.S. APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATIONS ONE THAT THEY PER SECTION FIVE POINT THREE POINT THREE A RECEIVE A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT FOR THE REMOVAL THE 20 INCH LIVE OAK AND TO THE HPC DETERMINES THAT THE PLYWOOD MATERIAL IN THE SOF IT IS INAPPROPRIATE SUBSIDY SUBSTITUTE FOR THOSE LISTED IN SECTION FIVE POINT FIFTEEN POINT SIX POINT B POINT TEN AS THE EXISTING STRUCTURE USES THIS MATERIAL THE MAIN BUILDING AND BOTH YEAH THAT'S BEING SAVED AND SO IT'S KEEPING WITH THE REST OF THE CHARACTER

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THE MILL. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. SO YOU'RE GONNA BE LIVING IN

THIS AS YOU'RE BUILDING IN ON THE SECOND FLOOR RIGHT? >> YEAH.

YOU'RE ALREADY UP THERE WITH THEIR TWO TEENAGE DAUGHTERS. OH YEAH.

THAT MAKES LIFE INTERESTING. WHAT'S HER AGE? WELL, THAT'S EASY.

YOU DON'T HAVE ANY IN MY MASTER BEDROOM. IN FLORIDA THERE'S PLACE I'D SAY MR. CHAIRMAN SEPARATE TRY TO REITERATE THAT IS PROBABLY ONE THAT PUTS MORE THAN THAT

CONNECTED WITH WOULD JUST YOU KNOW, LOCK WITH ONLY TWO KEYS. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, WE DON'T HAVE

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FOR TONIGHT. >> NO, I GUESS WE DO NOT.

SO I GUESS I'M GOING TO BE ASKING FOR A OCEAN FOR ADJOURNMENT SO WE CLOSE THIS

MEETING IN MOTION. >> I MUST MOSTLY JOIN THE MEETING BACK AND.

>> I'M ALL IN FAVOR BY ANY DISCUSSION OF PAST ANY ADJOURNED SIX

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.