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CLOSED CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY BEAVER COUNTY BUTTER.
SOMEBODY PLEASE JOIN ME WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
BEFORE I GET INTO THE AGENDA, ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS THREE MINUTES, PLEASE FILL OUT A FORM OVER HERE.
UM, THAT'S THOSE ARE THE APPLICANTS ISSUES AT LARGE.
NOTICE AND PUBLISHES MINUTES POOL.
THE MINUTES FROM THE MEETING, TOBER OCTOBER 4TH, I'LL VOTE TO APPROVE.
I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU IF THERE'S ANY CORRECT.
NOW, AT FIRST IT SEEMED SO NEW, BUT I'M KIND OF ANXIOUS TO GET THROUGH HERE.
UM, ANYBODY, UM, IT'S ON THE AGENDA.
ANY ADDITIONS YOU WANT TO MAKE? ALL RIGHT.
THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE MEETING.
WHEN WE ALLOW FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
AS I SAID, IF YOU WOULD FILL OUT A FORM ON ISSUES, NOT RELATED TO THE AGENDA ON ISSUES, NOT RELATED TO THE AGENDA, WE ONLINE AS WELL.
DO WE HAVE A PUBLIC INPUT ONLINE OR ON THE COUNTY CHANNEL? PEOPLE CAN JOIN US.
CAN WE, WE HAVE, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT.
WE'RE GOING TO GO RIGHT DOWN INTO THE ACTION ITEMS. FIRST ACTION ITEM LABELED NUMBER SEVEN ON THE AGENDA IS ROAD NAME CHANGE REQUEST, AND THE SHELTON AREA CHANGING THE ROAD NAME FROM WILEY ACRES TO JONES LAND WAY.
THE APPLICANT IS HOPE I PRONOUNCE THIS RIGHT.
WELL, WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US IS A ROAD RENAMING.
AND IF YOU REMEMBER FROM, I GUESS, A FEW MEETINGS AGO, THAT'S ONE OF THE JOBS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IT'S THAT WE GET TO REVIEW, UH, WHEN THERE'S A CHANGE IN A ROW AND UNLIKE OTHER THINGS TO COME BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE, THE DECISION OF COUNTY OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS FINAL.
SO YOU GET TO MAKE A DECISION HERE.
IT DOESN'T GO ANY FURTHER COMMISSION.
UM, THIS IS, UH, EXISTING PRIVATE ROAD CALLED WILDLY DANGEROUS, WHICH IS LOCATED, UH, IN BASICALLY NORTH OF THE WHALE BRANCH AND SHELDON TOWNSHIP OFF OF STROMAN ROAD, UH, INTERSECTS WITH CERTAIN STROKE AND ROAD COMES OFF OF TRASK PARKWAY, U S 21, JUST SOUTH OF US 17 AND GARDENS CORNER.
AND THIS WAS INITIATED BY
UM, AND THAT IS, WE HAVE A STATEMENT OF JUSTIFICATION SHOWS THAT THE APPLICANTS, UM, EITHER THEY HAVE THE APPROVAL OF THE PROPERTY OWNER AND UNLIKE OTHER, UM, ROAD RENAMINGS THIS ONLY SERVES ONE PROPERTY OWNER.
SO ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS, UM, THERE'S TWO THINGS, UM, THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE ONE IS THAT THERE'S NO DUPLICATION OF NAMES.
SO WE COORDINATE WITH
AND THEN ALSO, UM, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MAJORITY OF PROPERTY OWNERS ARE IN FAVOR OF THE CHANGE AS WELL.
AND SO THIS IS ONE PROPERTY AND IT BEING INITIATED BY A PROPERTY OWNER THAT THAT IS NOT AN ISSUE HERE.
OTHER THAN THAT, WE HAVE A FEW CRITERIA.
WE LOOK AT, UM, THE FIRST IS ROAD READING AMY REQUESTS AFTER INDIVIDUALS FOR ANY COLLECTOR OR HIGHER ORDER STREETS SHOULD BE RESERVED FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO CONTRIBUTE OR HAVE BEEN NOTABLE SIGNIFICANCE TO CITIZENS AT BEAVER COUNTY.
THIS IS A PRIVATE, UH, LOCAL ROADS.
SO THAT DOES NOT APPLY TO THIS, THAT IF THIS WORRY, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE CHANGING THE NAME OF ROBERT SMALLS PARKWAY,
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WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE'RE NAMING IT, IF IT WAS ANOTHER PERSON, I WOULD, I COULD IMAGINE THAT, THAT THERE WAS ANYONE WE COULD CHANGE THAT NAME TO, UM, DUPLICATION OR NEAR DUPLICATION OF STREET NAMES IS NOT PERMITTED.THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ALREADY COORDINATED WITH.
THE 9 1 1, UM, USE OF NUMBER OF YOUR LETTERS.
THAT'S NOT PERMITTED, BUT THAT'S NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, APPLICABLE HERE.
AND THEN FINALLY, UM, CONSISTENT WITH HISTORICAL OR PHYSIOGRAPHIC FEATURES OF THE LOCAL AREA.
THAT WOULD MEAN IF SOMEBODY HAD A DESERT WAY OR SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, OR IF IT'S A HISTORY, THAT'S NOT HISTORICALLY CORRECT TO THE AREA, BUT NONE OF THOSE WERE REALLY APPLICABLE TO THIS PROJECT.
SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE THE NAME, CHANGES, HAVE A QUESTION, ROB, UM, YOU KNOW, DRIVING AROUND THE COUNTY.
THERE ARE A LOT OF ROADS THAT WERE NAMED AFTER PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, MOSTLY IN THE RURAL AREAS AND STUFF.
UM, BUT THE QUESTION I HAVE IS ARE WE ALLOWING, OR ARE WE SETTING A PRECEDENT HERE OF RENAMING THE PROPERTY ON THE BASIS OF THE CURRENT TENANT RATHER THAN THE PROPERTY OWNER WHERE, WHEREAS OUR, ARE WE ALLOWING TENANT CHANGES AS OPPOSED TO PROPERTY OWNER CHANGES? I'M THE WIFE OF THE PROPERTY OWNER ISSUE.
AND I GUESS THIS HAS BEEN UNUSUAL.
THIS IS ONE PROPERTY WITH ONE ROAD.
TYPICALLY YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE APPROVAL OF ALL THE PEOPLE, IF A MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
SO THAT, THAT WAS BUILT IN TO KIND OF MAKE SURE THAT WHEN RATE NEIGHBORS ARE DONE, ROADMAP CHANGES THAT WE'RE CAREFULLY CONSIDERING THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THAT ROAD.
SO I THINK THAT THAT THAT'S ONE SAFEGUARD, I THINK IN THE CASE OF THIS PROPERTY, BECAUSE IT'S ONE PERSON, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, WELL, WHAT IF EVERY SINGLE PERSON WANTED TO CHANGE MAYBE THEIR STREET? BUT, UM, SO I, I WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S A SAFE CARD, BUT CURRENTLY THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN, THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.
UM, MS. JONES, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON YOUR REQUEST? TOTALLY.
THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO THIS VERY IMPORTANT TO OUR FAMILY, THE JONES FAMILY, MY HUSBAND, MR. LEE, UM, ACQUIESCED, AND DECIDED TO ALLOW JONES INSTEAD OF LEAVE TO BE THE ROAD NAME.
IF IT COULD BE APPROVED, WE HAVE, UH, EIGHT GRANDCHILDREN AND, UM, MORE ON THE WAY AND EVERYBODY HAD JONESES.
SO WE FELT THAT THAT WAS AN ABSOLUTELY PERFECT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BUILD OUR FUTURE WITH OUR FAMILY, NOT BY NAMING THE ROAD AND THEN DEVELOPING THE LEGACY FOR THE FAMILY.
I APPRECIATE YOU LISTENING TO THIS.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS? NO, THANK YOU.
ANY DISCUSSION AMONGST COMMISSION MEMBERS AND THE QUESTIONS YOU HAVE? ALL RIGHT, THEN, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CHANGE NAME REQUEST ON WILEY ACRES TO JONES LYNN WAY? YES, I MOVE THAT.
WE APPROVE THE STREET NAME CHANGED FROM WILEY ACRES TO JONES LYNN WAY.
SECOND, SECOND, SECOND, FRANK.
I THINK WE'RE READY TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ISSUE.
THE NEXT ISSUE ON OUR AGENDA, A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT IS REZONING REQUESTS FOR 6.26 ACRES, 180 6 CHEROKEE FARMS ROAD TO CHANGE FROM T2 RURAL TO T4 NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER.
BEFORE WE START, IS THERE A RECUSAL ON THIS? OKAY.
WE HAVE A RECUSAL, SO YOU'LL HAVE TO LEAVE THE ROOM ON WHITEBOARDS CONCERNING AND WE'LL CALL YOU BACK THOUGH.
I WANTED TO, UH, WELL, I'LL GET INTO A LITTLE BACKGROUND.
UM, THIS WAS ORIGINALLY ON OUR AGENDA FOR THE SEPTEMBER MEETING AND AT THAT TIME, THE APPLICANT WAS PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE ZONING SPECIFICALLY FOR NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER.
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AND AT THAT TIME STAFF RECOMMENDED DENIAL.WE WERE CONCERNED THAT THAT WAS COMPETING WITH THE ZONING, THE EXISTING BUSINESS DISTRICT IN THE CHEROKEE FARMS, HABERSHAM COMMUNITY.
AND ALSO AT THAT TIME, WE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THE AIR STATION SAYING THAT THEY DID NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL LIMIT INFORMATION.
SO THE APPLICANT PRIOR TO THAT EVER COMING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH 3D APPLICATION AT THAT MEETING, UM, SINCE THAT TIME, UH, AND I'LL GO INTO THE BACKGROUND OF THIS, BUT I WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME BECAUSE THIS IS, UH, IT FROM SEVERAL TIMES SINCE THAT TIME, UH, THE APPLICANT REACHED OUT TO, UM, HABERSHAM CHEROKEE FARMS TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS AND, AND TO, TO REALLY TALK THROUGH WHAT THE APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THIS AREA WAS, AND ALSO WHAT THEY HAD IN MIND FOR THE AREA.
UM, I WAS IN, ON THAT MEETING AND WHAT THEY AGREED TO DO AT THAT TIME WAS TO RATHER THAN REQUEST THE T4 NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER SETTING, WHICH IS OUR MOST INTENSE, THE TRANSECT ZONES, UM, THE, THE COMMERCIAL OR MIXED USE TRANSACTIONS.
AND THEY WENT A STEP DOWN TO T4 HAMLET CENTER OPEN.
ONE OF THE BIG DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THOSE TWO DISTRICTS IS, UM, THE BUILDING HEIGHTS IN THE T4 NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER AND ALLOWS FOUR STORY BUILDINGS, T4 NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER, OR HAMLET CENTER OPEN.
IT ALLOWS TWO AND A HALF STORY BUILDINGS.
THERE ARE ALSO LIMITATIONS ON THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF A BUILDING, UH, WHICH IT'S CAPPED AT 15,000 SQUARE FEET WHERE IN THEIR ORIGINAL REQUEST, THERE WAS NO LIMITATIONS TO THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, SO THAT THOSE CHANGES WERE MADE, UM, WITH THAT, I'LL KIND OF GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE REQUEST IS AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU ARE, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT, UH, WITH THE HABERSHAM COMMUNITY IN NORTHERN BEAVER COUNTY, IT'S LOCATED OFF OF CHEROKEE FARMS ROAD, WHICH IS OFF OF JOE FRAZIER ROADS, UH, IN THE BURTON AREA OF NORTHERN BUFORD COUNTY, THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, IF YOU WERE APPROACHING HABERSHAM, YOU KNOW, GOING ON CHEROKEE FARMS, SORT OF TOWARD HABERSHAM, IT WOULD BE, UM, ON YOUR LEFT AS YOU'RE APPROACHING THE COMMUNITY OR THE DIRECTION WOULD BE TO THE SOUTH OF THE ROAD.
AND, UM, IT'S, THE PROPERTY IS A 6.26 ACRES.
UM, THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS DESIGNATED FOR URBAN MIXED USE, I BELIEVE BECAUSE OF ITS PROXIMITY TO, TO, UH, HABERSHAM.
AND THEN ALSO, UM, IT IS A PORTION OF IT IS IN THE AIR INSTALLATION.
HOW WILL YOU SET A COUS, WHICH HAS RESTRICTIONS ON DENSITY AND SOME USES IN THAT AREA? THAT'S THE AREA THAT THAT'S THE NOISE CONTOURS AND, UH, IN THIS AREA, IT'S THE NOISE CONTOURS OF THE, UM, UH, MCSP FOR IT'S IN THE JET THAT THE 35 FEET JETS, UM, THE PROPOSALS AT THIS POINT IS TO CHANGE THE, TO T4 HAMLET CENTER OPEN, WHICH IS SHOWN ON THIS MAP HERE.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS, UH, THE NAME, THE COMPANY IS MTV REAL ESTATE COMPANY, BUT IT'S RANDALL OR MICHAEL'S, WHO'S HERE REPRESENTING PROJECT.
UM, AND THEY CAN, UH, KINDA FILL YOU IN ON MORE DETAILS.
UM, SO SOME OF THE THINGS CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE LOOKED AT FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT IS IT SITS RIGHT NEXT STORE.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT I WILL MENTION, I THINK WHAT I COULD DO NOW, WE HAVE A, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COUNTY COUNCIL HAS BEEN REQUESTING THAT WE HAVE DRONE FOOTAGE OF THE PROPERTY TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA ABOUT WHERE THIS IS LOCATED AND IT SHOULD, THERE WE GO.
SO THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH AT THE PROPERTY AND THERE IS A EXISTING ABOUT 12,000 SQUARE FOOT INDUSTRIAL OR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL BUILDING THERE CURRENTLY, UM, IN THAT BUILDING RIGHT NOW WITH THE T2 RURAL ZONING THAT IS ON THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, IT'S RESTRICTING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE WITH THAT.
UM, WE'RE NOW GOING, LOOKING THROUGH THE PROPERTY, SOME OF THE DESIGN DEVELOPED AND WOULDN'T, BUT, UM, IT'S ABOUT SIX ACRES.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE THE LAND IS CLEARED, THAT SLAB THAT'S, I BELIEVE IS OUTSIDE THEIR PROPERTY.
THERE'S SOME, UM, SMALLER RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE CHEROKEE OR, UM, HABERSHAM, THAT'S THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT FOR HABERSHAM.
SO IT'S VERY CLOSE TO THE ENTRANCE OF HABERSHAM.
THIS IS, UH, GOING THE OTHER DIRECTION AWAY FROM HABERSHAM, UH, TOWARD WHERE THE CHURCH AND PHARMACY INTERSECTS, WHICH ARE FRAZIER ROADS.
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I GUESS WE GET A LITTLE UP ZOOM ALONG THERE, RIGHT UP THERE AS THE INTERSECTION SHIFT RATIO ROAD.AND THEN THIS IS JUST KIND OF ONE FINAL OVERVIEW OF THE PROPERTY.
SO IT PRETTY MUCH INCLUDES THAT WHOLE CLEARED AREA WITH, WITH THE LIGHT CUSTODY OF BUILDING, AND THEN THE, UM, COURSE SCENARIO BETWEEN THAT AND THE NEXT CLEAR AREA.
SO I HAD KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT'S THERE CURRENTLY, BUT IT'S VERY CLOSE TO THE, UM, EXISTING HABERSHAM COMMUNITY.
AND THEN ALSO ACROSS THE STREET, UM, CHEROKEE FARMS HAS SORT OF AS A FUTURE PHASE AT HABERSHAM ADAMS THAT WE'LL BUILD OUT AND IT WILL BE MUCH CLOSER TO, TO THAT DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAIN CONSIDERATIONS WE LOOKED AT, UH, TOTAL, UH, THERE'S BEEN ABOUT 1400 RESIDENTIAL UNITS AT 228,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT DISSOLVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, BUT THE HABERSHAM SHERIFF'S AND FARMS COMMUNITY.
AND CURRENTLY, I WOULD SAY THERE ARE ABOUT HALF OF THAT AS FAR AS WHAT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED.
SO THERE'S STILL A LOT OF, UM, CAPACITY FOR THE FUTURE GROWTH, EVEN FOR COMMERCIAL IN THAT AREA.
AND SO OUR ORIGINAL CONCERN WITH THAT ORIGINAL ZONING REQUESTED T4 NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER WAS THAT THAT WAS GOING TO COMPETE WITH LAND THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED AS IS THE MAIN STREET AREA OF THAT COMMUNITY.
UM, AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE PURPOSES THAT WE SAT DOWN WITH THE, UM, SOME REPRESENTATIVES FOR THE HABERSHAM LAND COMPANY TO TALK ABOUT WHAT TYPES OF COMPATIBLE USES COULD GO ON THIS LAND THAT WOULD BE, UM, COMPLIMENT THE EXISTING COMMUNITIES, BUT NOT COMPETE WITH THE COMMERCIAL AREAS.
AND SO WE HAD THE APPLICANTS, UM, MORE FOR ILLUSTRATIVE PURPOSES AND ALSO TO SHOW THE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD BE ON THAT PROPERTY, COME UP WITH A FEW KIND OF VERY CONCEPTUAL, UH, SKETCHES, AND THOSE ARE ATTACHED WITH THE STAFF REPORT.
BUT, UM, SOME OF THE USES THAT THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT ARE THINGS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE MAIN STREET COMMERCIAL THAT MAY HAVE BEEN THE EXISTING COMMUNITY, BUT MAYBE NEEDED IN THAT AREA.
SO SOME OF THE THINGS THEY TALKED ABOUT WERE, UM, MEDICAL OFFICES, BUILDINGS, OR POSSIBLE ADAPTIVE REUSE OF THE EXISTING, UH, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL BUILDING INTO SOMETHING, MAYBE A BEER GARDEN, OR A BREWERY THAT NEEDS A LOT OF LAND, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE AND THE MAIN STREET.
SO THAT'S WHAT THESE ILLUSTRATIONS FOR THAT SO PROVIDED.
UM, SO WITH THAT, UM, BASICALLY OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UM, YOU KNOW, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS CERTAINLY A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR WHAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PRESENTED AT THE SEPTEMBER MEETING, STILL A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT YOU KNOW, THAT THIS IS A FAIRLY INTENSE ZONING DISTRICT.
I WOULD SAY THAT THE ONE POSITIVE SIDE OF THAT IS THAT T4 HAMLET CENTER OPEN IS VERY SPECIFIC WITH THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD BE DONE.
SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE STRICT BALLS OR, YOU KNOW, BUILDINGS ARE INCOMPATIBLE WITH HABERSHAM AND CHEROKEE FARMS. SO THAT'S, I WOULD SAY AS A POSITIVE OF THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, SO I WOULD SAY THAT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THIS IS BETTER THAN WHAT WAS SUBMITTED.
UM, AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT THE AIR STATION, WHICH ORIGINALLY SAID, YOU KNOW, NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION, THEY SUBMITTED, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, AN EMAIL TODAY, WHICH I SHARE WITH THE CHAIRMAN.
AND I THINK YOU ALL HAVE COPIES OF THAT DATA TRAILS IS HERE.
YOU WOULD LIKE, SO THE PROPERTY THAT'S OPENED ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED FOR.
UM, AND I THINK THE PACKET HAS KIND OF A COMPOSITE MASTER PLAN, HOWEVER, SHANNON CHARITIES FARMS. SO YES, THAT'S ACTUALLY PART OF THE, UM, KIND OF THE BACKSIDE OF AN EXTENSION OF THE EXISTING NAME STREET.
CAN YOU HAVE SHOW THAT MAP UP? I MEAN, THAT'S GIVES US AN OVERVIEW OF THE WHOLE, THIS WOULD BE WITH THE AGENDA OF IF WE COULD SHARE THAT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S FAR, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S FURTHER DOWN THE WAY IT'S ON THE, ON
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THE MAP, BUT NOT DIRECTLY ACROSS THIS IS THE ATTACHMENT B YEAH.THEN OPEN SPACE RIGHT ACROSS IN THE WAY RIGHT HERE.
THAT'S NOT PART THIS RIGHT HERE.
THIS PROPERTY IS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING RIGHT NOW.
ARE WE GOING TO BE OPEN TO SOMEBODY BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET NOW BECAUSE WE WERE HERE, IF THEY COME AND REQUEST A REZONING.
SO ONCE WE GIVE THIS REZONING, THEY COULD REQUEST ANOTHER REZONING OVER THERE, WHICH WAS THE WHITE OAK, WHICH WAS A WIDE OPEN SPACE.
REALLY? JUST THE ONE ON THE CLARIFIED.
ROB, UM, SO IT'S T2 NOW, CORRECT? YES.
JUST EXAMPLES, GIVE ME SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT HE COULD DO IN A TEACH HIM T TO RURAL IS FAIRLY LIMITED.
IT'S PRETTY MUCH A RESIDENTIAL AND AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.
IT ALLOWS SOME NON-RESIDENTIAL USES LIKE AX SUPPORTS BUSINESSES.
UM, ALSO THAT NON-CONFORMING BUILDING THIS, THERE, WE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME LEEWAY WITH GRANDFATHERING.
IF, IF A NEW USE IS, IS REQUESTED FOR THAT FILLING AND IT'S EQUAL OR LESS INTENSITY OF WHAT WAS THERE HISTORICALLY, OR WHAT WAS THERE WHEN IT'S REPLACING THEN A NEW BUSINESS COULD OCCUR THERE, BUT THAT IS A GREAT LIMITATION TO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO USE OF THAT EXISTING BUILDING.
CAUSE THAT'S, PRE-EXISTING, NON-CONFORMING YET ANOTHER THING I SHOULD HAVE POINTED OUT WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE ARIEL, UM, HOWEVER, CHAM AND CHARITY FARMS HAS GOTTA BE A UNIQUE AREA THAT YOU HAVE A VERY INTENSE, UM, COMMUNITY OF ABOUT 1400 APPROVED SINGLE FAMILY AS WELL, OR, UM, RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS THAT IT'S SURROUNDED BY MORE KIND OF A RURAL RESIDENTIAL AREA.
AND SO IT CREATES A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, CONUNDRUMS WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT APPROPRIATE SETTING IN THE AREA, BECAUSE IT'S THE WAY IT'S POSITIONED.
AND, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU TRYING TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE APPROVED DEVELOPMENTS OR DO YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT IS OCCURRING OUTSIDE OF THE COMMUNITY? SO YOU SAID SOME RESIDENTIAL USES, WHAT, WHAT COULD THEY GET THERE? TWO HOUSES, THREE HOUSES ON THIS? SO IT WOULD BE TWO HOUSES THROUGH ANOTHER APPOINTEE THAT TAKE THE BUILDING DOWN TO GET THE TWO HOUSES.
UM, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT ANOTHER IMPORTANT THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT THIS IS IN THE AIRPORT, THE FCAS AIRPORT OVERLAY DISTRICTS OR GOVERNMENT BY THE
AND I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THIS IN THE PRESENTATION TO NO GREATER THAN TWO 12 LITERS PER ACRE.
SO THEY COULD NOT WITH THIS, WHATEVER THEY BUILD HERE COULD NOT HAVE ANY INTENSE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, PRIMARILY COMMERCIAL, MAYBE A FEW, UH, RESIDENTIAL UNITS ATTACHED TO IT.
AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE AIR STATIONS REVIEW OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, THE, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THROWN OUT AS A POSSIBILITY WAS ASSISTED LIVING.
UH, THAT DENSITY WOULD BE GREATLY LIMITED BY THAT NEAR PORT ONLY DISTRICT.
WELL, TO THAT QUESTION, UM, IF THIS WAS APPROVED AND NOW, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE JUST CONCEPTS, THESE BUILDINGS MAY BE THE BUILDINGS THEY PUT THERE.
THEY MAY NOT BE, IF IT'S APPROVED WITH THE MILITARY, HAVE SOME INPUT TO THAT, THAT COULD NEGATE WHAT THEY PUT IN THERE.
OR IS IT NOW IN THE COUNTY'S HANDS? I BELIEVE SOME TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS YOU'D HAVE A SAY IN ACCESS.
I WORK WITH MAYOR STATION, RIGHT.
UM, ESSENTIALLY IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS WERE APPROVED, WE WOULD ASK THEM TO BE APPROVED BY THE CAVEATS SO THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF SAY, UM, IF, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY START DEVELOPING, BECAUSE WHAT I WAS ABLE TO REVIEW IS THOSE TWO CONCEPTS THAT THEY PROVIDED THAT ARE IN THE AGENDA.
AND I WENT THROUGH AND, AND, UH, ONE OF THE, THE ONE WITH THE BEER GARDEN, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S OKAY WITH US.
UM, THERE ARE SOME CAVEATS IN THERE THAT I'VE PUT INTO THAT EMAIL, BUT THE ONE WITH THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY, WE WOULD, UH, FORMERLY OBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT WITH THAT ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY IN THERE.
UM, NOT THAT I'M CHALLENGING YOU, BUT WHY, LIKE, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR REASON FOR NOT WANTING IT'S THE POPULATION DENSITY IN THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY ITSELF, THE NOISE LEVEL THAT YOU WOULD HAVE IN THERE? UH, ESSENTIALLY THE REASON IT'S ALL BASED OFF OF, UM, THE 2013
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AREA OR ERIK INSTALLATION COMPATIBLE USE ZONE STUDY, UH, WHICH I CAN PROVIDE THAT AND BRING YOUR COPY WITH ME TODAY, BUT I CAN PROVIDE A COPY OF THAT.UM, AND IT JUST KIND OF GOES THROUGH AND SAYS, IT GIVES US A LINE BY LINE ON TYPES OF BUILDINGS, IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CONTOUR, TOWARDS THE NOISE CONTOURS AND TELLS US WHAT WE SHOULD BE SAYING.
AND MULCHING SAYING THAT ONE AGAIN, JUST TO EDUCATE ME, WHY IS THE NOISE AN ISSUE? THE NOISE IS AN ISSUE BECAUSE, UH, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE FOR PEOPLE'S HEARING.
UM, BUT IT ALSO BECOMES AN ISSUE FOR THE AIR STATION BECAUSE THE MORE PEOPLE START COMPLAINING ABOUT THE NOISE, OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NOISE OF THE PLANES.
SENIORS DIDN'T INCLUDE HABERSHAM IN WANT TO CREATE A SITUATION WHERE THEY GO AHEAD AND DO ALL THAT.
AND NEXT THING YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT 200 PEOPLE BANGING ON YOUR DOOR, COMPLAINING ABOUT THE NOISE, OH, THEY'RE SENATORS CALLING THEIR CONGRESSMEN AND TRYING TO ESSENTIALLY SHUT US DOWN OR LIMIT OUR ABILITY IN THE WAYS THAT WE WANT TO TRADE.
WE'RE VERY LUCKY HERE IN BEAVER COUNTY, THAT WE'VE HAD SUCH A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH, WITH THE COUNCIL.
WE HAVE REALLY GOOD AIR ACCESS HERE ON THIS.
IT'S REALLY SECOND TO NONE ON THE EAST COAST.
SO WE FIND REALLY GOOD JOB PARTNERING AND, UH, PROTECTING THE AIRSPACE HERE.
AND THOSE THINGS ARE SPELLED OUT.
WE A, AN OVERLAKE DISTRICT FOR THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MSA IS OVERLAID JUST THAT CORRESPONDS WITH THAT AGE WHO STUDIED WITH THE NOISE CONTOURS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, LIMITATIONS ON COVERAGE, LIKE USES THAT DRAW A LOT OF PEOPLE TOGETHER AND LIMITATIONS ON DENSITY AND NOISE.
ATTENUATION OF BUILDINGS ARE ALL PART OF THAT, UM, OVERLAKE DISTRICT.
IT'S JUST IMPORTANT THAT WHOEVER IS, YOU KNOW, REZONING, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S STILL ADDITIONAL LIMITATIONS ON WHAT THEY COULD DO.
AND YOU DON'T WANT, SO TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, UM, WOULDN'T MAKE THAT MARY CLINIC WOULD BE A PROBLEM THE BETTER.
SO THE VETERINARY CLINIC HAS A DIFFERENT CLIENTELE IN THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY.
WE'RE NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT THE ANIMALS THAT WOULD BE AT A VETERINARY CLINIC.
OH, YOU MIGHT NOT BE CONCERNED ABOUT HIM, BUT THE PEOPLE HAVE TO LIVE OVER HERE.
LISTEN TO THOSE BARKING DOGS EVERY TIME A PLANE GOES BY.
AND THAT'S, BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN AIR STATION CONSIDERATION.
THAT'S IT IS A CONSIDERATION FOR YOU ALSO.
I THOUGHT WE WERE, WHEN WE TALK NOISE MANY YEARS FOR A GOOD, ALL RIGHT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ROB? THE TECHNICAL QUESTION? DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE ANY RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COMPANY, THE HABERSHAM LLC? I MEAN, I SEE IN YOUR NOTES THAT THEY HAVE MET WITH ONE ANOTHER, BUT IT ARE THERE.
AND MAYBE YOU CAN'T TELL ME THIS AND NEGOTIATIONS THAT HABERSHAM WANTS TO BUY THIS PROPERTY.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT, BUT THE APPLICANTS HERE.
SO WHEN THEY PRESENT, ALL RIGHT.
WELL, I THINK THEN WE'RE READY TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, WHO WOULD MR. MCCALL'S MICHAEL'S OR MCCONNELL'S I'M JOSH TILLER AND OH, YES.
FOR KEYON AND
I SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION, UM, AND ROB DID A GOOD JOB, KIND OF GETTING EVERYBODY UP TO SPEED, BUT WE HAVE, SINCE WE INITIALLY CAME FORWARD, THE T4 NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER, WE BACKED OFF FROM THAT ZONING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
AND AFTER MEETING WITH THE DEVELOPERS AT AMERSHAM AND ROB, UM, BACK IN SEPTEMBER, UM, WE WENT THROUGH A LOT OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT 70 OPTIONS AND KIND OF LANDED ON, ON THAT HAMILTON CENTER OPEN.
WE FEEL MOST COMPATIBLE, NOT ONLY FOR WHAT MR. MICHAELS, UM, WANTS FOR HIS PROPERTY, BUT ALSO FOR HABERSHAM AND THE TRANSITION FROM PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET TO THIS PROPERTY.
AND ALSO EAST AND WEST HALL WALK RED THERE.
UM, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION, ESPECIALLY REGARDING, DO YOU HAVE A, UM, ANY SENSE OF WHAT W I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE ARE REPRESENTATIVES FROM HABERSHAM, AND IF YOU'RE ALLOWED TO TELL US WHAT'S THEIR POINT OF VIEW? WELL,
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THEY WERE IN FAVOR WITH WHAT WE DID.I MEAN, IF THE CURRENT, UH, OF THE, OF THE, UM, TWO AND A HALF, UM, STORIES, I MEAN, THEY, THEY WOULD LIKE A LESSER DENSITY.
THEY'RE AT CHEROKEE FARMS ROAD.
NO, THEY FELT COMFORTABLE WITH THIS HAMMER.
WE ALL KIND OF AGREED ON THIS IS IN THE TWO AND A HALF STORIES, AND IT'S MORE OF A RURAL CHARACTER.
UM, THE LARGER BUILDINGS WILL BE, UH, MORE OF AN AGRICULTURAL INDUSTRIAL STUFF BUILDING, AND MR. MICHAELS IS HAPPY TO MEET OR EXCEED THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS THAT HABERSHAM CURRENTLY HAS WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT.
UH, SO JUST TO MAKE SURE I GET ALL OF THIS EXACTLY CORRECT.
WHAT, YOU KNOW, HABERSHAM IS, IS HAPPY WITH THE, UM, T4 HCO, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
MA'AM, THAT IS, IT'S SORT OF A DOWN ZONING FROM YOUR LAST APPLICATION GROUPS.
AND HOW WERE THEY IN THE LAST APPLICATION? THEY WOULD GO, W DID THEY LIKE THAT ALSO, OR, OR ARE THEY MUCH PREFERRING WHAT YOU'RE DOING NOW? I GUESS I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEIR LONG-TERM PLAN IS AND YOUR LONG-TERM PLAN.
AND MAYBE THAT IS A CONFIDENTIAL BUSINESS INFORMATION.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT, BUT IT DOES FEED INTO WHERE OUR PLANNING COMMISSION, LIKE WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN 10 YEARS.
WHY DON'T WE DO KICK YOU OFF THE PODIUM? CARRY ON.
I DON'T WANT TO MISS TOO FAR AWAY FROM ME.
IT SAYS ON THE APPLICATION THAT FTV, IT'S OUT THERE NOW FTV IS OWNED BY MYSELF, RANDALL MICHAELS.
I NEED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS MY WIFE AS AN EQUAL PARTNER.
SO SHE'S AN ACTIVE PARTNER OF THE COMPANY.
UM, THE ORIGINAL ZONING REQUEST, UH, SPEAKING OF THE GENERALITIES, UM, BACK IN SEPTEMBER, YOU KNOW, A WHILE AGO, CORRECT.
UM, WE HAD NOT MET WITH BOB TURNER OR, OR PATRICK KELLY OF THE AVERAGE NUMBER, UM, MEETING WITH ROBERT MERCHANT AND TALKING WITH HIM.
UM, IT WAS REALLY HIS IDEA TO MEET WITH HABERSHAM BECAUSE REALLY YOU'VE GOT TREES AND THEN YOU HAVE TO AVERAGE OUT AND, UH, WE MET WITH THEM AND IT ACTUALLY TURNED OUT TO BE A VERY, VERY GOOD MEETING.
UM, DID NOT SURE HOW WE WOULD GO GOING IN, UM, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE THING ABOUT COMPETITION, WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL REALLY THE TRULY LEGITIMATE, UH, CONCERN, UH, WHERE THERE IS NO RELATIONSHIP.
BY THE WAY YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION, THERE IS NO CONVERSATION.
AND THEN BUYING THEM, THEY OWN A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF LAND.
MY WIFE AND I ARE SMALLER INVESTORS.
WE'VE TYPICALLY BUY DERELICT PROPERTIES AND REJUVENATE THEM OR DEVELOP THEM.
WE HAVE DEVELOPED PROPERTIES IN THE CITY.
WE'VE GOT SOME PRODUCTS AND PROPERTIES IN THE COUNTY, ENVIRONMENTALLY DAMAGED PROPERTIES WE WORK WITH ET CETERA.
SO WE'RE NOT BIG TERM INVESTORS, IT'S HER.
AND I, WE DO WHAT WE CAN DO TOGETHER FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FOR OURSELVES, THE, UH, IMMEDIATE WITH BOB, KAREN AND PAT KELLY, WHAT WE QUICKLY REALIZED WAS THAT THERE WAS A VERY GOOD FIT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE A VERY TIGHT RANGE OF WHAT THEY WANT IN HABERSHAM.
AND AS FAR AS ANY DEVELOPMENT, THEY WANT HOUSES AND THEY WANT VERY BOUTIQUE.
THEY WANT WOODWORKING WHILE I OWN GREENLINE INDUSTRIES ACROSS FROM THE AIR STATION ON A TRASHED PARKWAY, THAT'S WOODWORKING.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY WANT THERE.
I WANT, YOU KNOW, ARTISTS AND CRAFTSMEN AND ET CETERA, SMALL SHOP WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND SEE HIM DOING HIS TRADE WITH THAT.
AND THEY DON'T WANT DOG VETERINARY DAYCARE, A VETERINARIAN CLINIC, BUT IF IT WAS SITE AND COULD SUPPORT THEIR COMMUNITY, THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR NOT ONLY THE EXISTING HOMEOWNERS IN AVERAGE HAM, BUT ALSO REALLY GOOD FOR THEM TO SELL MORE PROPERTIES AND CONTINUE ON WITH THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, WHERE THE PROPERTY IS THAT WE HAVE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE ROAD FROM THEM.
I'M GOING TO SEND THE NORTH SIDE IS WHERE THEY WANT TO DO PHASE TWO OR THEIR MAKE PROJECT.
AND THEY WANT HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF HOMES.
AND THERE ARE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF FAMILIES IN THERE.
SO THEY CAN HAVE SUPPORTED INFRASTRUCTURE THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY FIT THEIR MAIN STREET, BUT SOMEBODY CAN GET TO IN A GOLF CART, HAVE ALL THE PEOPLE IN HABERSHAM.
I'M SURE THEY HAVE AT LEAST ONE DOG PER HOME ON AVERAGE, IF NOT TWO OR THREE ARE KEPT INCLUDED, IF THEY COULD DROP THEM OFF 600 YARDS FROM THEIR ENTRANCE TO EVER SHANNON ON THEIR WAY TO THE AIRPORT.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOKED AT WERE IN, IN KIND OF BRAINSTORMING, THIS
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WAS WHEN ROBERT WAS PART OF THE MEETING, UM, WITH, WITH PATRICK AND, UH, BOB, UH, JOSH WAS WITH US AND ALSO OUR, UM, ENGINEER, UM, CAROLINE ENGINEERING COMPANY WAS THERE.UM, WE REALLY JUST STARTED TO GET ON A ROLL IN TWO THINGS TO PASS THEM OUT.
ONE WAS THE MAIN, ONE OF SOME TYPE OF ASSISTED LIVING, UM, HOW MUCH AND HOW INTENSE, I DON'T KNOW, TOO EARLY, THIS BULLYING TIME.
AND THE OTHER ONE WAS ACTUALLY TO REPURPOSE THE EXISTING BUILDING.
UM, WHEN WE BOUGHT IT A YEAR AGO, PRIOR TO THIS, WE MET WITH, UM, ERIC GREENWAY AT THE TIME BEFORE WE PURCHASED IT AND HIS FEELING WAS LISTENING, CLEAN IT UP, MAKE IT LOOK GOOD FOR WHAT IT IS NOW, AND THEN COME BACK AND SEE US AND WE'LL DO WHAT THE ZONING SHOULD BE FOR IT.
AND WE SPENT A YEAR AND A HALF, ET CETERA.
WE HAVE CLEANED IT UP AND WE KEEP IT PRETTY DECENT CONSIDERING WHAT IT IS, BUT IF WE CAN REPURPOSE THAT, UH, BEER GARDENS, UM, I'M NOT REALLY SURE.
AND UNDER, IF I UNDERSTAND THE PICKLE BALL AND THE PICKLE BALL CRAZE AND THE HAT WAS BATTED AROUND AS AN IDEA, UM, ET CETERA, BUT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DEVELOP THE PROPERTY THAT WILL SUPPORT HABERSHAM.
WE HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED WITH PATRICK, UH, MAINLY PATRICK, KYLIE, BUT BOB LIKE THIS AS WELL.
THEN WE WOULD WORK WITH THEIR ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD TO BUILD BUILDINGS THAT MIRROR AND, AND COMPLIMENT THE HABERSHAM ELEMENT.
AND PATRICK, WHICH IS INVOLVED IN THAT ACTUALLY HAD BROUGHT IN HIS MAIN PLANNER, BUILD A DESIGNER ARCHITECT THERE.
TO TALK ABOUT THE TYPES OF BUILDINGS THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE THAT, BUT STILL FIT MORE OF A LITTLE BIT INDUSTRIAL PARK.
SO THE IDEA OF WORKING WITH THEM WASN'T ANYTHING THAT WE SAW IN THE BEGINNING, BUT ACTUALLY IT LOOKS LIKE YOUR KEY TO SUCCESS IN THIS PROJECT.
SO IF I MAY ADD, UM, SO ONE THING THAT, UM, IN OUR PREVIOUS, UM, YOU KNOW, PRESENTATIONS AND UNDERSTANDINGS OF THIS PROJECT WAS THAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDED DENIAL BECAUSE THERE IS THAT CAPACITY FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT EXISTING IN HABERSHAM.
WHAT I'M HEARING FROM YOU TONIGHT IS THAT YOU WOULD PROVIDE COMMERCIAL THAT THEY KIND OF DOESN'T REALLY FIT WITH THEIR IMAGE, LIKE A VETERINARY SERVICES OR POSSIBLY A BEER GARDEN, OR POSSIBLY SENIOR SERVICES, BUT IT WAS ALL, IT WOULD ALL BE THERE WITHIN A GOLF CARTS RIGHT AWAY.
AM I HEARING YOU PROPERLY? WE'VE NEVER HEARD THAT BEFORE.
IT ACTUALLY WORKED OUT REALLY WELL WITH BOB AND PATRICK.
THEY, I MEAN, IT REALLY STARTED TO PICK UP STEAM, THE CONVERSATION WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS AFTERWARDS, WE'VE DOCUMENTED EVERYTHING.
THEY CONFIRMED IT BACK THAT THEY'RE FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.
AND IT'S REALLY ADVANTAGEOUS FOR US.
YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE 400 AND SOME ACRES, AND I MEANT YOU'RE OFF ON THAT AND WE'RE TALKING SIX ACRES.
SO THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH IMPACT EVEN IF WE WORKED WELL WITH THEM, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH IMPACT WE CAN DO, BUT THE IDEA OF HAVING SUPPORT TO SUPPORT THEIR DEVELOPMENT, BUT NOT THE TYPE OF BUSINESSES THEY WANT ON THEIR MAIN STREET.
AND IS THERE A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM HABERSHAM FORTHCOMING, UH, EMAIL OF SUPPORT BY BOTH PATRICK AND, UM, UH, BOB AND THAT IS WHERE IN THE PROCESS.
IT IS, IT HAS IT OCCURRED IS THAT LETTER, HAS THAT LETTER HAPPENED? IS THAT LETTER FORTHCOMING? NO ADDICTS SINCE THE DAY AFTER THE MEETING, EVERYBODY AM I WE'RE UP? AM I MISSING THAT IN MY PACKET? DID I NOT GET THAT? SO, SO HABERSHAM, SO, UM, THE HABERSHAM LLC WOULD EVER DEVELOP THE COMPANY SUPPORTS YOUR, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THAT.
THEY EITHER THE OWNERS OR THE DEVELOPERS, THE MAIN TWO PEOPLE THERE FULLY SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE THEY CAN SEE THEMSELVES SELLING MORE PROPERTIES, MORE HOMES BECAUSE OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
NOW, AS FAR AS THE GUY THAT LIVES ON SO-AND-SO ROAD, HOUSE NUMBER.
SO, AND SO AN AVERAGE SHAMPOO, NO IDEA, IF HE SUPPORTED YOU DIDN'T APPROACH THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, HE SAID, THESE ARE JUST BASICALLY THE DEVELOPERS OF THAT PROPERTY.
THE YOU THERE, I'M GOING TO SAY THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, THE OWNERS, OWNER OF THE HABERSHAM CLARITY AND OTHER, UM, ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS, INDIVIDUALS ON CHEROKEE FARMS ROAD.
WE DON'T HAVE A NOTION OF THEIR, UM, POINT OF VIEW.
WELL, THE CLOSEST WE HAVE IS A ROAD CALLED FRANK FRAME BLEND.
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I SHOULD HAVE WROTE EVIDENTLY AS A ROW THAT WE'VE BEEN WARNED MULTIPLE TIMES THAT THAT SUCK GAIN ROAD AND WE'RE SHOULD NEVER DRIVE DOWN THAT ROAD AGAIN, ROAD VIOLENT ROAD THERE, BUT SHE DRIVE BY SHOOTINGS.PEOPLE RUB IT IN THERE'S A CUL-DE-SAC AND SHOT AT ALL THE WOOL BALLS THAT CAME OUT.
IT'S NOTHING WE WANT TO BE INVOLVED.
SO NO, WE DID NOT APPROACH THAT.
AND THEN THERE IS NOTHING ELSE.
THERE'S NOTHING ELSE AROUND US BECAUSE ALL TO THE NORTH IS ALL HABERSHAM AND TO THE SOUTH THERE'S THAT ROAD, WHICH IS STILL IN BETWEEN US AND HABERSHAM.
SO, SO I DON'T WANT TO NOT MONOPOLIZE, BUT ROB, GIVEN WHAT I'M HEARING AS NEW INFORMATION, DOES, UM, STAFF HAVE A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW OR AN ADDITIONAL POINT OF VIEW, OR ARE YOU FROM WHAT I GOT IN THE PACKET, YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL.
UM, WELL MY RECOMMENDATION WAS NOT DENIAL TO THE PACKET.
UM, THE ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT WE NOTIFIED EVERYONE WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE PROPERTY.
SO WE SENT OUT MAILINGS TO PEOPLE AND ALSO THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN POSTED.
ANYONE TRIES TO
I DO RECALL SEVERAL MEETINGS AGO, THERE WAS A LADY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WAS FROM THERE WHO WANTED TO SPEAK TO IT, BUT IT WASN'T ON THE AGENDA, BUT I DON'T RECALL ANYBODY ELSE COMING FORWARD.
WELL FOR WHOEVER CAN ANSWER IT, UM, IS HABERSHAM A GATED COMMUNITY? IT'S NOT, IS IT PLANS TO MAKE IT A GATED COMMUNITY? I HAVE NO IDEA.
THE REASON WHY I ASK IS THAT YOU DRIVE INTO HABERSHAM VIA CHEROKEE FARM DROVE.
IF YOU WANT TO GO IN THERE TO GET SOMETHING TO EAT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S HOW YOU GO IN THERE.
SO IF THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD THAT NORTHERN PIECE OF IT, I'M HAPPY TO BE LOOKING AT A, UH, AN AERIAL MAP HERE.
UM, SO THEY'RE JUST REALLY GOING TO ALMOST THEN BE EXTENDING FURTHER OUT THE ENTRANCEWAY TO HABERSHAM ON THE NORTH SIDE.
BUT YOU WILL BE ON THE LEFT SIDE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
AND THE ONLY PROPERTIES BETWEEN THIS IS AT ONE ROAD, I BELIEVE IT WAS FRANKLIN, BUT IT COULD BE, NOPE.
THIS IS WHY I BROUGHT IT UP IS IF, IF, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE OWNER WOULD HAVE OBJECTED TO IS IF HE HAD EVER PLANNED TO MAKE THAT A GATED COMMUNITY AND PUT, YOU KNOW, PUT A GATE UP THERE, BUT THEY CAN'T GET A PUBLIC ROAD.
BUT HE, HE DIDN'T, HE HAD SAID HE DIDN'T OBJECT TO THIS.
UH, THE, THE TACTICAL RENT HAD HABERSHAM AND THEY WEREN'T PAYING AND THEIR FINGER BECAUSE IT'S, EVEN THOUGH THE ECONOMY IS GOOD AND THEY'RE SELLING PROPERTIES NOW THEY'RE LOOKING AT EXPANDING AND STARTING ON PHASE TWO.
UM, THEY EXPLAINED TO US THAT THEY'RE BASICALLY SOLD OUT NOW ON PHASE ONE.
SO LOOKING AT PHASE TWO, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD BE A GREAT THING AND THERE WILL BE SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN USE IN THE PROMOTION.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY SAID WAS THE PEOPLE THERE A LITTLE BIT ELDERLY AND AN AVERAGE SHAM, AND THEY MAY HAVE ELDERLY PARENTS THAT NEED TO COME DOWN AND NEED SOME TYPE OF MEDICAL CARE, WHETHER IT'S ASSISTED LIVING OR IF IT'S JUST REGULAR MEDICAL VISITS.
SO HAVING THAT TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE WILL BE GREAT.
AND, AND, UM, SO IT WAS JUST KIND OF GET REALLY PICKED UP SPEED AS WE TALK.
UM, SO CAN WE HAVE, UM, UM, BUSINESS OWNERS LIKE LINED UP TO DO THESE DIFFERENT PROJECTS HERE? OR IS THIS JUST A CONCEPTUAL, WE HAVE NO BUSINESS OWNERS FIND OUT, NOPE.
WE REALLY NEEDED TO FIND A FIT.
I SAID WHERE JENNIFER AND I ARE SMALL AND, AND WHAT WE DO.
AND WE JUST, IF WE CAN FIND THE FIT THAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS, WE DID THAT ON THE OTHER PROJECTS WE'VE DONE IN THE CITY SO FAR.
I JUST, IF THE MILITARY ED'S CAVEATS, DO YOU, IS THIS GOING TO CHANGE WHAT WE VOTED? WELL, WE CAN ADD TO OUR MOTION, THE CAVEAT THAT THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH, OR THAT THE REVIEW AND FINAL APPROVAL OF WHAT THE CONCEPT HAS INPUT AND IS AGREED TO BY THE MILITARY.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, THEY HAVE A VOICE, THEY HAVE A VOICE AND THE FINAL APPROVAL PROCESS.
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WILL COME BACK TO US WHEN THE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW YOUR POINT.UM, MY THOUGHT WAS TO INCLUDE THE HABERSHAM LAND COMPANY IN IT TOO, BECAUSE THEY'VE, THEY'VE GOT A CONCEPT IN MIND THAT COULD CHANGE.
UM, AND SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE A THREE DIRECT PARTNERS IN HERE.
YOU KNOW, THE MICHAEL'S THE HABERSHAM COMPANY IN THE MILITARY AND, AND NEEDS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH ALL THEIR UNDERSTANDING AS TO WHAT'S GOING TO GO ON THEIR WAY IT'S BEEN POSITIONED TO ME IS AS A SERVICING ORGANIZATION FOR THE HABERSHAM COMMUNITY, UH, OCCUPYING ABOUT SIX ACRES OUTSIDE OF THE CURRENT GATE, I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AN ADMIRABLE AGREEMENT.
UM, BUT IT COULD CHANGE ONCE THIS IS APPROVED IN THE, THE FINAL PROCESS THAT THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT PLAN WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND ALL THE REVIEW PROCESSES AND SO ON.
CAUSE I SEE POTENTIALLY ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE, THERE ARE, UH, SOLITARY, RURAL TYPE HOMES BEHIND YOUR PROPERTY BACK OFF THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THAT I'LL BE TO BE LOOKED AT, BUT, UH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE PARTNERSHIPS BETWEEN THE MILITARY AND THE MICHAEL'S AND I APPRECIATE HIM LAND COMPANY BE PRESERVED, SEEMS TO ME, SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE.
AS FAR AS THE MILITARY GOES UP, ALL MY GUESTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED TODAY, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
SO I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF THAT, BUT THE INTENT OF US, THE THREE-WAY PARTNERSHIP IS YOU SAID TOOK WHAT I JUST SAID FOR 10 MINUTES TO SUM THAT UP IN ONE STATEMENT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER, ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.
WELL, I GUESS WE'RE AT THE POINT OF, UM, ANY DISCUSSION FOR THERE AMONGST OURSELVES, IF NOT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND ONE LAST QUESTION, IF THIS CHANGE WERE APPROVED, WOULD THAT EXISTING BUILDING BECOME CONFORMING? UM, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT IT'S USED FOR, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE LIST OF USES IN THAT NEW DISTRICT, BUT IT WOULD CERTAINLY OPEN UP MORE OPPORTUNITY TO ADAPT TO WHEN HE REVIEWS THE BUILDING.
BECAUSE, UM, IF, IF I'M GOING TO APPROVE A ZONING CHANGE WHERE THERE'S ALREADY A PREEXISTING NON-CONFORMING, THEN I WOULD WANT TO SEE THE CONDITION THAT WHATEVER THE FUTURE USE OF THAT BUILDING IS BECOMES CONFORMING SO THAT WE GET RID OF THE PRE-EXISTING NON-CONFORMING WELL, WE'D HAVE TO BE TO THAT.
I MEAN, JUST TO GET RID OF PREEXISTING NON-CONFORMANCE OKAY.
I WANTED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING.
WE REALLY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO ATTACH CONDITIONS.
AND SO, UM, BUT I WILL SAY THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE, WHEN WE, THAT ZONING DISTRICT THAT THEY'RE ADOPTING WILL GIVE A LOT MORE LEEWAY TO WHAT THAT BUILDING COULD BE USED FOR.
AND SO OUR JOB IS, YOU KNOW, IN REVIEWING DEVELOPMENT PLANS IS TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER THEY'RE PROPOSING THERE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING BOARD AND, UM, THE ISSUE OF LIMITATIONS ON RESIDENTIAL DENSITY.
THOSE THINGS ARE ALREADY CODIFIED IN THE, UM, THE AIRPORT OVERLAY DISTRICT.
YOU KNOW, THIS, WE COULD NOT PERMIT A, UM, ASSISTED LIVING THAT HAD MORE THAN 12 BEDS.
YOU KNOW, IF IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DENSITY IS KEPT TO THIS PER ACRE.
SO THOSE ARE THOSE TYPES OF THINGS ARE NOT NECESSARILY ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS.
THOSE ARE ALREADY BUILT INTO THE RESTRICTIONS.
SO WE HAVE A PLACE BECAUSE OF THE, A COUS.
THERE COULD BE A THIRD OR FOURTH OR FIFTH CONCEPT.
WILL THOSE BE, AND IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR US? CONDITIONALLY SAY THEY NEED TO BE REVIEWED, BUT WITH THE MILITARY AND THE HAMBURGER SHAM LAND COMPANY, AND I DON'T KNOW, YOU CALL THAT A CONDITION OR JUST, HOW WOULD YOU EXCLUDE THEM FROM CONSIDERATION? WELL, I THINK THAT, I MEAN, JUST THE PUBLIC PROCESS AND DEVELOPMENT REVIEW WE'LL BRING IN THOSE PARTIES, BUT WE CAN'T NECESSARILY ADD A CONDITION THAT THEY HAVE TO REACH OUT TO HABERSHAM WHEN THEY'RE PROPOSING SOME USE.
IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS ALLOWED IN THAT DISTRICT ALREADY, AND THEY'RE MEETING ALL THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS, WE JUST DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO ATTACH THOSE CONDITIONS.
I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD POLICY ON THEIR PART, YOU KNOW, UH, BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR,
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THAT'S PERPLEXING, YOU KNOW, MEAN, UNFORTUNATELY WE JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY LIMITED AND WHAT YOU CAN ATTACK, WHAT CONDITIONS YOU CAN ATTACH, UNLESS YOU HAVE A PUD OR YOU HAVE LAMB LARGE ENOUGH, IF YOU WANT TO ENTER INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS.THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT NOW, BUT I WOULDN'T SAY THAT WE'RE IN A GOOD POSITION BECAUSE WE HAVE THE AIRPORT OVERLAY DISTRICT BASED ON THE ACRE STUDY THAT THAT ALREADY HAS RESTRICTIONS THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY PREVENT ENCROACHMENTS OR INCOMPATIBLE USES FOR THE AIR STATION.
DID YOU, DO YOU, I SAW YOUR HAND RAISED.
DID YOU WANT TO COME BACK SAY SOMETHING, ONE THING, UM, JUST, JUST THE ZONING ITSELF.
IT'S A FORM-BASED CODE MUCH LIKE HABERSHAM, EVEN THOUGH HABERSHAM IS A PUD, IT'S KIND OF BASED ON A FORM-BASED CODE AND YOU BASICALLY JUST HAVE TO TRUST THE ZONING.
AND THIS ZONING DISTRICT IS IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE US TO BUILD TO A CERTAIN FRONTAGE ALONG, UH, CHEROKEE AND THE ZONING MORE OR LESS IT'S IN KEEPING WITH WHAT HABERSHAM WANTS.
SO FROM A PLATE BUILDING PLACEMENT STANDARD AND ROAD ALIGNMENT AND ARCANE STANDARD IS IT'S GOING TO MEET WITH ME.
THEY AGREE TO, AND TO ADD TO THE MARINE CORPS AIR STATION WILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THOSE ANCHORS AND OUR, YEAH, THAT WOULD APPLY IF THEY SOLD THE PROPERTY TOMORROW, THE NEW OWNERS CAN HAVE TO CONTEND WITH THAT.
SO IN THE ORDINANCE, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I COULD SEE A SCENARIO OF MAYBE A NEW BUYER SAYS IT'S NOTHING BUT SELF BEST SELF STORAGE UNITS BECAUSE THEY SEEM TO BE POPULAR EVERYWHERE.
THAT DISTRICT IS GOING TO KNOCK IT, ALLOW THAT TO BE UP ON THE ROAD, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO RESTRICT IT TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY AND HAVE FRONT DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW? SO THERE ARE THINGS LIKE THAT WRITTEN INTO THAT DISTRICT THAT WILL PREVENT, YOU KNOW, COMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT.
SO THE GATEWAY TO THAT COMMUNITY SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THE SAFEGUARDS THAT WE WANT TO ATTACH, WE KIND OF HAVE TO TRUST THE, THE PROPOSED ZONING AND THE OVERLAY DISTRICT AND THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE FORCED THEM OR ADMINISTER THEM.
I TRUST OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION, SIR.
AND I WOULD JUST HAVE TO SAY FROM, FROM AN AIR STATION POINT OF VIEW, WITHOUT THE ABILITY TO DO THOSE CAVEATS IN HERE, STATION WOULD OBJECT TO THE REZONING UNTIL WE COME UP WITH WHATEVER THE PLAN DEVELOPING ACTUALLY IS WHAT IT IS THEY ACTUALLY WANT TO DO THERE.
UM, AND WE WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW IT SO THAT WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A GOOD OBJECTION OR, YOU KNOW, WITHDRAW OUR OBJECTION AT A, AT A MEETING LIKE THIS.
I MEAN, SOME OF THOSE CONDITIONS WERE BUILDING LIKE A VOICED ATTENUATION AND THOSE ARE BUILT INTO THE CODE THAT 25.
UH, I CAN'T THINK OF THE ACRONYM RIGHT NOW, BUT NOW IT'S.
UM, SO SOME OF THOSE ARE BUILT INTO THE, UM, THE CODE, THE BEAVER COUNTY CODE, UM, BUT JUST THE WAY THAT IT'S GOING TO DEVELOP IT AND WHAT THEY CHOOSE TO DO.
UH, SO FROM MY UNDERSTANDING RIGHT NOW, LOOKING AT THE, A CREWS, ANY SORT OF ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY, WOULDN'T BE FOR US AND OBJECTIONABLE ITEMS. SO WE TOOK A LOOK AT BOTH OF THOSE, UH, UH, THOSE PLANS THAT YOU SUBMITTED AND THE ONE THAT THE BEER GUARD THERE WAS A AS LONG AS YOU FOLLOW THE CODES AND DIDN'T DEVIATE FROM THAT PLAN THAT WE WERE, WE WERE FINE WITH THAT ONE, BUT THE ONE WITH THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY, UM, WE HAVE TO OBJECT TO THAT ONE BASED ON OUR REGULATIONS.
SO UNLESS WE CAN HERE TODAY SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING WITH PLAN.
IT'S A BIT OF A CATCH 22 BECAUSE WE CAN'T APPARENTLY THERE THERE'S, I GUESS GOT A NOTE THAT SAYS YOU SHOULD BE SPEAKING AT THE PODIUM FOR THE PUBLIC.
THEY CAN'T HEAR, I THINK THERE'S A BIT OF A CATCH 22.
WE ARE FULLY WILLING TO COMMIT TO HAVING THE APPROVAL OF HABERSHAM AND WORKING WITH THEM AND WITH THE AIR STATION AS WELL.
IF THAT'S SOMETHING IN YOUR SYSTEM THAT DOESN'T, ISN'T A ALLOW, UM, SHORT OF GIVING YOU MY COMMITMENT VERBALLY, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I
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CAN DO, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT AS WELL.THE BEER GARDEN CONCEPT CERTAINLY IS THE NUMBER ONE CONCEPT FOR THAT BECAUSE OF THE FACT OF DEMAND, POTENTIAL ABILITY TO DEVELOP AND SELL THAT PRODUCT, SELL THAT BUILDING OFF.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS ACTUALLY REPURPOSING THAT BUILDING.
WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO REPURPOSE RATHER THAN TO DESTROY OR DEMOLISH AS WELL ON THAT.
SO WE MOVE, WE, OUR INTENT IS, AND IF YOU CAN HAVE OUR WEIGHT STRUCTURING IT, THAT WE'RE OBLIGATED IN WRITING TO WORK WITH AMBER SHAM AND WITH THE AIR STATION OR IT'S AFFORDABLE.
UM, WHEN WE SAY, UM, UM, BEER GARDEN, AND WE TALK ABOUT LIKE A CRAFT BREWERY.
AND THAT'S WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED, YOU KNOW, UH, BOB TURNER AND PATRICK KELLY, THE THOUGHT OF PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO GO OVER TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITH A CRAFT BREWERY AND THE WHOLE FAMILY ATMOSPHERE THAT EXISTS IN BREWERIES, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY REALLY FELT THAT WOULD HELP THEM IN THAT'S ROB THAT'S.
ONE OF THOSE ACCEPTABLE USES THAT THAT BUILDING COULD BE TARGETED INTO.
AND WE JUST SPOKE IN HYPOTHETICAL HERE.
AND I'LL SAY CERTAIN USES IF IT WERE ASSISTED LIVING, IF SOMEBODY APPROACHED US AND SAID THEY WANTED TO BUILD A SISTER LIVING, YOU KNOW, FOR READING THE COUS, THE AIRPORT OVERLAY, I WOULD BE INCLINED TO SAY, THAT'S NOT PERMITTED, ESPECIALLY IF IT WAS LIKE A HUNDRED DEBT FACILITY AND WE WOULD MOST LIKELY COORDINATE WITH YOUR STATION ANYWAY, THERE'S OTHER KINDS OF USES THAT I DON'T BELIEVE NECESSARILY THE TRIGGER, THAT TYPE OF COORDINATION, BUT THE TYPES OF INCOMPATIBLE USES, I THINK THAT THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT OTHER THINGS.
SO WE WOULD, IT WOULD TRIGGER US TO CONSULT WITH YOUR STATION ANYWAY.
AND SOME ARE NOT STARTERS IF THEY WANTED TO BUILD A MULTI FAMILY OF THAT WOULD ALREADY EXCEED THE TENT CITY.
THAT THAT'S LIMITED IN THAT, THAT AIRPORT.
MS. TRAIL, WHERE YOU WERE SITTING DOWN, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT YOUR POSITION WAS, WAS DEEMED BY THE PUBLIC.
DID YOU WANT TO RESTATE THAT OR YES, SIR.
SO THAT THE AIR STATION POSITION IS THAT, UM, WITHOUT THE ABILITY TO DO THE CAVEATS, UH, WE OBJECT UNTIL WE CAN UNDERSTAND FULLY EXACTLY HOW THE PROPERTY IS GOING TO DEVELOP.
ONE THING THAT WE COULD DO TO MITIGATE THE SITUATION WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO DO THE CAVEATS IS WE CAN ENTER INTO A MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT WITH THEM, UH, PRIOR TO COMING TO A ZONING BOARD MEETING LIKE THIS, AND WE CAN COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON WHAT YOU KNOW, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME TO US AND WE WOULD REVIEW WHAT THEIR PLANS WERE AND WE COULD OBJECT, AND WE COULD WORK WITH THEM WITHIN WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE AS, AS AN AIR STATION, THEN WE'D BE PERFECTLY WILLING TO DO THAT AND HAVING TO DO THAT.
I THINK WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO REQUEST THAT IN OUR MOTION, BUT THEY CAN CERTAINLY, THEY CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT, THE WORK THROUGH, AND WE CAN FACILITATE IT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THINGS MIGHT TRIGGER.
WHAT SUGGESTION MAYBE IF, SINCE ROBSON PLANNING DIRECTOR, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN THINGS GET SERIOUS AND WE GET FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD WITH DEVELOPMENT, MAYBE JUST OUR STATION HAS A SEAT AT THE TABLE AT THE SMT.
PART OF THAT THINK IT'S AGREEABLE, ALL PARTIES.
UM, IF YOU WANT TO COME TO EVERY MEETING THAT DOES, HOW MANY MEETINGS YOU CAN TALK TO HER ABOUT THAT? WELL, THEY MEET EVERY WEEK.
ARE WE READY TO SET A MOTION IN OUR PLACE HERE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, WOULD YOU PLEASE STATE THE FULL MOTION SO ALONE? UH, I GOT TO GO BACK TO, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ZONING AMENDMENT REQUEST FOR T FOR 6.26 ACRES, UH, AT 180 6 CHEROKEE FARM, SOME TEETH TO WORLD TO T2 NEIGHBORHOOD BEFORE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? ALL RIGHT.
UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OPPOSED.
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OKAY.UH, THAT'S THE END OF THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE FOR US? UM, ALL RIGHT.
UM, IF SOMEBODY, CHRIS, COULD YOU ASK 'EM TO COME BACK IN, PLEASE? THANK YOU.
UM, WE'RE AT THE LAST PART OF THE MEETING HERE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SCHEDULE, HAVE YOU ALL SEEN THAT AGENDA PACKET? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH ANY OF THOSE DATES? I REVIEWED THEM MYSELF AND THEY ALL LOOK APPROPRIATE.
THE THURSDAY MEETINGS ARE BECAUSE OF HOLIDAYS AND IN THE CASE OF JULY AND A SEPTEMBER.
AND THE ONLY THING I THOUGHT IS, ARE WE KIND OF MAKING AN EFFORT TO DO SOME STUFF TO THE BROAD? WELL, SO NONE OF THESE ARE SEVENTH ABRUPT.
WELL, THEY, THEY, THERE'S A FOOTNOTE AT THE BOTTOM.
OH, IF THERE'S A W IF AGENDA ITEMS ARE UNIQUE TO AREAS AND I THINK, WELL, IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU? I MEAN, CAN WE BE FLEXIBLE ON THAT? SURE, ABSOLUTELY.
I MEAN, THERE MAY BE AN AGENDA ITEM, WOULD ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, 200 PEOPLE LIKE ARE TURNING OUT SOUTH OF THE BROAD, THEN I THINK WE OUGHT TO BE FLEXIBLE ENOUGH TO SAY, NO, I KNOW WE'VE DONE IT, BUT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO VOTE ON THIS.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY BUILT IN.
UM, I JUST A FORMERLY W FOR THE PUBLIC ONE AND WELCOME OUR NEWEST.
I WROTE THE COMMISSION START ON THE WALL, UM, WHO IS JUST JOINING US FOR THE FIRST TIME TONIGHT ACTUALLY HAD AN ACCUSED HIMSELF.
THE ISSUE, ONE OF THE ISSUES I HE'LL BE HERE AND ALL THIS BIKE GLORY X MONTH WITH US AND, WELL, ALL RIGHT.
UM, ANY OTHER TOPICS FOR DISCUSSION? ANYBODY? NO, NOTHING MORE, NO MORE BUSINESS.
I DECLARE THIS MEETING ADJOURNED THE COUNTY CHANNEL IS ALSO AVAILABLE ON VIDEO, ON DEMAND, GO TO BUFORD COUNTY S C.GOV, SCROLL DOWN TO PUBLIC MEETINGS, CLICK WATCH NOW, AND THEN CLICK THE VIDEO ON DEMAND BUTTON AND SELECT YOUR PROGRAM FROM BLISS CALL TO ORDER IF YOU'D LIKE A DVD OF THIS PROGRAM, CLICK ON THE LINK ON THE RIGHT AND FILL OUT THE ORDER FORM.
AND THANK YOU FOR WATCHING THE COUNTY CHANNEL.
THIS IS LARRY ROLAND, AND THIS IS THE BUFORD COUNTY MOMENT.
ONE OF THE MOST FASCINATING ARTIFACTS IN BUFORD COUNTY TO TOURISTS AND RESIDENTS ALIKE ARE THE RUINS OF THE OLD SHELDON CHURCH.
THE PROPER NAME IS THE PARISH CHURCH OF PRINCE WILLIAM PARISH.
SOUTH CAROLINA PRINCE WILLIAM PARISH WAS FOUNDED IN 1745 IN RESPONSE.
IT WAS THE SECOND ANGLICAN PARISH IN THE BUFORD DISTRICT.
HELENA PARISH FOUNDED IN 1712, THE ORIGINAL PARENT PRINCE WILLIAM PARISH IN 1745 WAS IN THE MIDST OF AN ECONOMIC BOOM BECAUSE RICE PLANTATIONS SURROUNDED THE SITE ON HOSPITAL NECK, WHERE THE CHURCH EVENTUALLY WAS BUILT.
AND THOSE RICE PLANTERS WERE VERY WEALTHY IN 1745, THE COMMONS HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY ESTABLISHED PRINCE WILLIAM PARISH.
AND IN 1751, THEY LAID THE CORNERSTONE FOR PRINCE WILLIAM PARISH CHURCH.
THE CHURCH WAS FINISHED BY 1755,
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AND WELL-APPOINTED, IT HAS THE DISTINCTION OF BEING THE FIRST OR OLDEST TEMPLE FORM, GREEK REVIVAL BUILDING IN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE.SO THAT RUINED IT, SHELDON, WHICH PEOPLE ABSOLUTELY SHOULD FASCINATE PEOPLE, BECAUSE IT IS THE FIRST EXAMPLE OF A TYPE OF ARCHITECTURE THAT BECAME ASSOCIATED WITH AMERICAN DEMOCRACY AND AMERICAN PUBLIC BUILDINGS, PRINCE WILLIAM PARISH CHURCH, OR THE OLD SHELDON RUINS WAS BURNED BY BRITISH TORIES DURING THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION IN 1779.
IT LAY IN RUINS UNTIL 1826, CHARLES FRASER, THE FAMOUS LOW COUNTRY ARTISTS PAINTED A PICTURE OF IT IN 18, 19 AFTER IT WAS RESTORED TO USE AND SERVICES IN 1826, HE CAME AND LOOKED AT IT AND HE SAID, MY GOD, THEY'VE TAKEN A BEAUTIFUL RUIN AND TURNED IT INTO AN UGLY CHURCH.
SO THE UNION ARMY AND THE EVENTS OF THE CIVIL WAR RESTORED IT TO A BEAUTIFUL RUIN.
WE THOUGHT FOR MANY YEARS, THAT PRINCE WILLIAM PARISH CHURCH HAD BEEN BURNED BY SHERMAN'S FORCES AS THEY MARCH THROUGH THIS DISTRICT.
THAT TURNS OUT NOT TO BE TRUE.
THE CHURCH WAS INTACT AFTER THE CIVIL WAR AND WAS DISMANTLED BY LOCAL FOLKS WHO USE THE PARTS OF THE CHURCH TO BUILD THEIR HOMES AND BARNS.
AND SO THE WOOD BASICALLY WAS TAKEN OUT.
THE ROOF, FELL IN THE CHURCH, BECAME A RUIN AND WAS IN DISUSE UNTIL MODERN TIMES.
IT IS REMAINED AS CHARLES FRASER SET A BEAUTIFUL AND ENTICING RULING.
THIS HAS BEEN A BUFORD COUNTY MOMENT TO SEE MORE BUFORD COUNTY MOMENTS GO TO THE BUFORD COUNTY LIBRARY HOMEPAGE AND CLICK ON THE LOCAL HISTORY TAB.
IT'S CIVILIZATION VERSUS NATURE'S FURY, RAGING BLIZZARDS, BERRY CITIES UNDER THOUSANDS OF TONS OF SNOW.
HOW MANY HURRICANES, TERRA PARK, COASTAL COMMUNITIES, WIND AND RAIN AND FLASH FLOODS WIPE ENTIRE TOWNS OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH.
AS THE SKY IS CLEAR, PEOPLE BEGIN TO PICK UP THE PIECES, BUT AFTER THE STORM IN CITIES DAMAGES STILL BEING DONE OUR MOST VITAL NATURAL RESOURCES UNDER ASSAULT, OUR NATION'S WATERS, WE'RE AT THE CHATTAHOOCHEE NATURE CENTER.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT A WATERSHED IS.
I NEED YOU TO TELL ME WHAT A WATERSHED IS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA, WATERSHED, A WATERSHED WHERE PEOPLE GO TO THE BATHROOM.
SO I THINK, I GUESS SOMETHING TO DO WITH SWEATING, LIKE AFTER YOU RUN, WHEN YOU, YOU BOTH SPIRE.
WE WANTED TO ASK YOU IF, IF YOU KNEW WHAT A WATERSHED WAS, WATERSHED.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT A WATERSHED IS? SHED THAT HOLDS WATER RARE FOR A SECOND.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT A WATERSHED IS? WOW.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? WHAT DO YOU THINK IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH WHAT A WATERSHED IS? YEAH, THAT'S JUST A DRAIN POOL, I GUESS YOU'D SAY.
OR THE DRAIN AREA, THE BOARD OF WATER, THE RAINWATER DRAINS INTO THE RIVER.
UH, WATERSHED IS THAT AREA OF LAND THAT DRAINS TO A BODY OF WATER, BE THAT IF IT'S A RIVER, A STREAM, THE OCEAN AND ESTUARY A BAY, WHEREVER YOU LIVE DRAINS TO SOME WATER BODY AND YOU'D LIVE IN A WATERSHED.
SO EVERYONE LIVES IN A, THE WATERSHED.
AND IN THIS MODERN INDUSTRIAL AGE, OUR WATER SOURCES ARE BECOMING MORE CONTAMINATED WITH EACH PASSING YEAR.
THE BIGGEST WATER QUALITY PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IN THE NATION TODAY IS POLLUTED RUNOFF, ALL WATER EAST OF THE CONTINENTAL DIVIDE, DRAINS TO THE ATLANTIC WHILE WATER WEST OF THE DIVIDE FLOWS TO THE PACIFIC.
AND ONE DROP OF RAIN CAN CROSS MANY DIFFERENT WATERSHEDS ALONG THE WAY.
AS RUNOFF FLOWS INTO RIVERS, STREAMS AND STORM DRAINS, THE WATER PICKS UP TRASH, DIRT, BACTERIA, TOXIC CHEMICALS, AND FERTILIZERS, CREATING A SUPER POLLUTANTS THAT IS EXTREMELY HAZARDOUS TO THE ENVIRONMENT.
AND THE CONSEQUENCES OF POLLUTED RUNOFF EXIST WORLDWIDE.
THE UN ESTIMATE IS THAT THERE'S ABOUT A BILLION PEOPLE IN THE PLANET RIGHT NOW, WHO DON'T HAVE ADEQUATE ACCESS TO FRESH WATER.
97% OF ALL WATER ON EARTH IS SALTY OCEAN WATER OF THE REMAINING 3%.
IT'S FRESH OVER TWO THIRDS IS FROZEN IN GLACIERS AND POLARIZED.
THAT LEAVES LESS THAN 1% OF ALL.
THE PLANETS WATER FOR OUR USE ARE
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PREDICTING THE FUTURE THAT SOME OF THE U S WATER NEEDS ARE GOING TO COME THROUGH PIPELINE BECAUSE WE HAVE JUST OVERUSED OUR SUPPLY TO ADDRESS THE COMPLEX THREATS FACING US WATER RESOURCES.THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY RECOMMENDS ADOPTING A WATERSHED APPROACH.
WE'RE TRYING TO RECONNECT SOME OF THE RIVER.
IT'S A METHOD THAT LOOKS AT EACH WATERSHED FOR ITS OWN UNIQUE SET OF ENVIRONMENTAL CHALLENGES AND SOLUTIONS.
IN MANY CASES, PEOPLE MISTAKENLY IDENTIFY LARGE DISCHARGE PIPES IN THE WATER AS THE PROBLEM, BUT THAT MAY NOT BE THE PROBLEM.
IT MAY BE COMING FROM AGRICULTURAL RUNOFF.
IT MAY BE COMING FROM STORMWATER RUNOFF OVER PARKING LOTS AND IMPERVIOUS SURFACES.
EVERY WATERSHED IS DIFFERENT AND YOU NEED TO LOOK AT EACH WATERSHED IN ITS OWN TERMS, AND THEN THINK SYSTEMATICALLY ABOUT HOW YOU REMEDIATE, HOW YOU CLEAN UP THAT WATERSHED IN CALIFORNIA, THE SANTA MONICA BAY WATERSHED DRAINS A DANGEROUS AMOUNT OF POLLUTED RUNOFF AFTER EACH STORM.
WHEN IT RAINS, LITERALLY THE WHOLE RESIDUE OF URBAN LIVING ENDS UP GETTING WASHED INTO THE STORM DRAIN SYSTEM AND ENDS UP GOING STRAIGHT INTO THE BAY ON SANTA MONICA BAY BEACHES WITH NO TREATMENT WHATSOEVER.
IT'S ACTUALLY LIKE A GIANT TOILET FLUSHING BECAUSE ALL THE POLLUTION, THE MESS HAS BEEN BUILDING UP AND BUILDING UP AND BUILDING UP WHEN IT RAINS, IT JUST FLUSHES INTO THE STORM DRAIN AND GOES DIRECTLY INTO THE, UH, IN 1996, THE SANTA MONICA BAY RESTORATION COMMISSION PROVED THERE WAS A LINK BETWEEN THE CONTAMINATED RUNOFF IN THE SANTA MONICA BAY AND REPORTS OF ILLNESS, AFFLICTING PEOPLE WHO SWIM THERE.
WE DID FIND WAS AT THE OUTLETS OF STORM DRAINS, NO MATTER WHERE THEY WERE UP AND DOWN THE BAY, IF THERE WAS A FLOW OF RUNOFF INTO THE SURF ZONE, THOSE PEOPLE THAT WERE SWIMMING IN THOSE AREAS, UH, DEFINITELY EXPERIENCED HIGHER INCIDENCES OF ILLNESSES.
GLUTEN'S IN THE WATER AFFECTS SURFERS BECAUSE WE'RE ACTUALLY THE INDICATOR SPECIES WITH ALL THE POLLUTANTS.
UM, WHEN WE WERE IN THE WATERS, WE'RE INGESTING IT THROUGH OUR SKIN, IN OUR MOUTH.
EVEN IF PEOPLE DON'T TAKE A SWALLOW OF WATER, IT'S STILL GETTING INTO OUR SYSTEMS, OUR EARS, ANY ORIFICE WHEN YOUR BODY AND IT CAUSES INFECTIONS, IT CAN CAUSE A COLD SORE THROATS AT THE VERY LEAST.
AND A LOT OF IT'S GOT THOSE DISEASES IN THERE, YOU KNOW, JUST FLOATING AROUND, MAKING MORE DISEASES.
I'VE SEEN IT PRETTY MUCH AS BAD AS IT CAN BE.
I'VE SEEN CRAP FLOATING OUT IN THE WATER.
LITERALLY GENERICALLY, WE CALL IT FECAL COLIFORM.
MORE SPECIFICALLY, YOU MIGHT KNOW OF IT AS E-COLI SALMONELLA OR ENTEROCOCCUS.
THERE'S TIMES WHEN IT TASTES FUNKY.
EVERY DAY, THE CITY AND COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES PERFORM A BATTERY OF TESTS TO KEEP THE PUBLIC INFORMED ABOUT WATER QUALITY IN THE SANTA MONICA BAY SES ARE OURS.
ADD-ON BEGINS THE MONITORING PROCESS EACH MORNING BY TAKING A SERIES OF COASTLINE WATER SAMPLES.
THEN IT'S BACK TO THE LAB FOR ANALYSIS.
MOST OF THE BACTERIA THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE YOU'RE GOING TO EAT.
AND WHEN YOU PUT IT UNDER THE UV LIGHT, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A DIFFERENT CAR COLOR.
IT'S A FLUORESCENT SIGN THAT THERE IS A BACTERIA, AND THEN IT'S CALLED EQUALIZE.
THAT ONE DEFINITELY IT'S, UH, FECES FROM ANIMALS, OR IT COULD BE HUMANS.
ALSO THE RESULTS ARE REPORTED TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND BEACH WARNINGS ARE POSTED AS NECESSARY.
THE NUMBER OF BEACH POSTINGS HAS DECREASED AND 85% OF THE BEACHES THAT HAVE BEEN MONITORED IN CALIFORNIA THAT HAVE RECEIVED EITHER A OR B GRADES.
AND THAT'S SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAN FOUR YEARS AGO.
BUT WHILE PROGRESS IS BEING MADE IN CALIFORNIA, THE HARMFUL EFFECTS OF POLLUTED RUNOFF ARE A GROWING CONCERN EVERYWHERE.
SO WHAT CAN THE AVERAGE PERSON DO TO HELP REDUCE POLLUTION IN OUR WATERSHEDS? YOU APPLY PESTICIDES ARE NOT IN YOUR GARDEN, HOW YOU WASH YOUR CARS, UH, MAKING SURE THAT YOU DON'T THROW CIGARETTE BUTTS OUT ONTO THE STREET.
WE DO NOT DUMP THINGS ON THE GROUND, ESPECIALLY OILS OR ANY CHEMICAL POLLUTANTS, UH, PICK UP AFTER YOUR DOGS.
A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS AND JUST BE A CONSCIENTIOUS CITIZEN AND DON'T LEAVE ANYTHING ON THE GROUND.
I THINK ONE PERSON CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND IT NEEDS TO MAKE THE DIFFERENCE.
IF NOT YOU WHO COMING UP, WE ARE HEADING FOR.
WHAT'S KNOWN AS AN ECO SYSTEM COLLAPSED, CAN THE GULF OF MEXICO BE SAVED FROM BLUE TO RUN OFF.
IT WAS A FLOOD OF APOCALYPTIC SCALE, 26,000 SQUARE MILES OF THE LOWER MISSISSIPPI VALLEY INUNDATED BY WATER.
AND 600,000 PEOPLE DISPLACED FROM THEIR HOMES.
THE FLOOD OF 1927 WAS THE MOST DISASTROUS IN US HISTORY.
AND ITS EFFECTS ARE STILL FELT TODAY.
AFTER THE FLOOD OF 27, MASSIVE LEVIES WERE PUT IN PLACE.
AND WHILE THEY HELPED PROTECT THE LOWER MISSISSIPPI RIVER BASIN FROM FLOODING, THE LEVIES AND OTHER HUMAN ACTIVITIES WOULD ULTIMATELY HARM THE WATERSHED IN UNFORESEEN
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WAYS.THE GULF STATE OF LOUISIANA IS THE TERMINUS OF THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER.
THE MIGHTY WATERSHED THAT DRAINS 41% OF THE AREA OF THE LOWER 48 STATES INTO THE GULF OF MEXICO.
UH, WE RECEIVE WATER FROM AS FAR AWAY AS MONTANA, MICHIGAN, PENNSYLVANIA, OHIO, IOWA, ALL THOSE WATERS DRAIN RIGHT HALF THIS AREA RIGHT HERE.
BUT BY THE TIME ALL THAT WATER ENTERS THE GULF, IT IS ACCUMULATED ENOUGH CONTAMINANTS FROM POLLUTED RUNOFF TO CREATE AN ENORMOUS HYPOXIC ZONE, AN AREA OF WATER LACKING IN VITAL OXYGEN.
THE SIZE OF THE LOW AUCTION ZONE IN THE GULF OF MEXICO IS ABOUT 9,000 SQUARE MILES.
THAT'S EQUAL TO THE SIZE OF THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY.
THE SHORTAGE OF OXYGEN IS KILLING FISH AND OTHER SEA LIFE, AND COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE A DEVASTATING EFFECT ON THE REGIONAL ECONOMY.
WE ARE THE LARGEST NAVIGATION PORT IN THE UNITED STATES.
WE ARE THE SECOND LARGEST IN THE WORLD.
WE HAVE THE LARGEST FISHERY IN THIS COUNTRY WAS CRABBING.
LOT OF TIMES, ALL OUR CRABS WE DID.
THE REASON HYPOXIA SHOULD BE OF CONCERN TO MOST CITIZENS IN THIS NATION IS BECAUSE IT'S A SIGN.
IT'S A SIGN OF THE DEGRADATION OF OUR WATER RESOURCES.
WHAT'S KNOWN AS AN ECOSYSTEM COLLAPSE.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ECOLOGICAL DISASTER CAUSED BY THE OFFSHORE HYPOXIC AREAS, THEN THAT ABSOLUTELY TRANSLATES INTO AN ECONOMIC DISASTER.
SO WHAT EXACTLY IS CAUSING THIS DEAD ZONE IN THE GULF HYPOXIA DEVELOPS WHEN AN AREA OF WATER RECEIVES EXCESS POLLUTANTS, PRIMARILY AN OVERABUNDANCE OF NUTRIENTS, WHICH PRODUCE LARGE ALGAE BLOOMS THAT DIE OFF AND LEAD TO LOW OXYGEN.
AND SINCE THE MISSISSIPPI GETS FED BY TRIBUTARIES, THAT FLOW THROUGH 31 STATES, THAT ADDS UP TO A STAGGERING VOLUME OF CONTAMINATED RUNOFF.
YOU HAVE DRAINAGE INTO THE GULF OF MEXICO FROM THE OHIO RIVER, THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER AND THE MISSOURI RIVER, GET EACH OF THOSE THREE MAJOR RIVER SYSTEMS OR WATERSHEDS IN AND OF THEMSELVES WITH THEIR OWN CHALLENGES AND THEIR OWN PROBLEMS. THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER HAS ALWAYS DELIVERED A LOT OF WATER AND THAT HASN'T CHANGED OVER THE CENTURIES.
WHAT'S CHANGED IS THE AMOUNT OF NUTRIENTS IN THAT WATER.
IN FACT, THE MISSISSIPPI'S NITROGEN LEVELS AND THE LOWER MISSISSIPPI RIVER HAVE TRIPLED SINCE THE 1950S AND THE GROWING HYPOXIC ZONE OFF THE LOUISIANA COAST CONTAINS THE DISTURBING EVIDENCE.
IT'S LIKE A RUSTY COLOR STANKY, ROTTEN LOOKING, YOU SEE FISH, JUST SWIMMING, SIDEWAYS, GASPING FOR AIR AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND, UM, YOU PULL UP THE NET, NOT AT ONE SHRIMP ALIVE, ALL DEAD ORANGE, THE FISH, THEY, THEY ROTTEN LIKE MELTING AWAY AND STUFF LIKE THAT, CAMBRIDGE STUFF, AND WAS JUST ROCK.
THE WAY WE TREAT OUR WATER SYSTEMS, BECAUSE WE USE THEM AS OUR GARBAGE DUMPS.
WE USE THEM TO DILUTE OUR POLLUTANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I BELIEVE THE STATISTIC IS THAT IF YOU'RE IN NEW ORLEANS, THE WATER THAT IS GOING BY, YOU HAS PASSED THROUGH HUMAN GUT.
SOMETHING LIKE THREE OR FOUR TIMES BEFORE IT GETS TO YOU, INCREDIBLY LOUISIANA BOASTS A NATURAL RESOURCE THAT REMOVES POLLUTANTS FROM THE DRAINING MISSISSIPPI, THE ONES ABUNDANT BUTLIN'S PLANTS THAT GROW IN WETLANDS PRODUCE THESE WONDERFUL FILTERS FOR EVERYTHING THAT IS COMING INTO THEM.
THEY TRAP SEDIMENT, A TEM CHEMICALS, AND WHAT LEAVES THE WETLANDS IS MUCH, MUCH CLEANER.
WATER WETLANDS ALSO PROVIDE AN IMPORTANT HABITAT FOR BIRDS AND OTHER WILDLIFE.
SADLY, THE LOUISIANA WETLANDS ARE QUICKLY DISAPPEARING.
COASTAL LOUISIANA HAS LOST ABOUT 1.2 MILLION ACRES OF WETLANDS IN THE LAST 100 YEARS.
WHEN WE LEAVE IT OFF THE MISSISSIPPI, IT CUT OFF THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER WATER FROM THE MARSHALL.
IN ADDITION TO THE LEVIES, A NETWORK OF MAN-MADE NAVIGATION CHANNELS IS ALSO COMPROMISING THE WETLANDS BY ALLOWING SALTWATER TO SEEP INTO THE MARSHES.
ONCE THAT SALTWATER TRAVELS UP THESE CHANNELS AND OVERFLOWS THE BANKS OF THESE CHANNELS OUT INTO FRESHWATER SYSTEMS, SUCH AS THE CYPRESS SWAMP, THAT SALT WATER SITS OUT THERE AROUND THE ROOTS OF THESE TREES, UH, AND KILLS THEM.
THEY CANNOT SURVIVE SALT WATER THEY'LL FRESHWATER PLANTS ELIMINATING THE HYPOXIC ZONE.
WE'LL TAKE MORE THAN SAVING OUR WETLANDS, REDUCING NUTRIENT RUNOFF AND THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER WATERSHED IS THE HEART OF THE PROBLEM.
IT'S AN ISSUE INVOLVING OVER HALF THE STATES IN THE NATION AND A VAST ARRAY OF INDUSTRIES, PARTICULARLY FARMING, WHICH USES NITROGEN RICH FERTILIZER TO GROW ITS CROPS, FERTILIZERS OR HELPING THE UNITED STATES PRODUCE THE FOOD FOR THE WORLD.
BUT THERE IS SUCH A THING AS, AS OVERUSED, THERE ARE SCIENTISTS WHO HAVE DONE THE ANALYSIS AND PREDICT THAT YOU COULD REDUCE FERTILIZERS BY ABOUT 12% WITHOUT REDUCING CROP PRODUCTION AND SEE A SIGNIFICANT DECREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF NITROGEN GOING INTO THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER
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EXPERTS SAY THE FIRST KEY TO CHANGE IN BEHAVIOR IS RAISING PUBLIC AWARENESS.WE ALL LIVE DOWNSTREAM OF SOMEBODY AND WE ALL LIVE UPSTREAM OF SOMEBODY.
SO WHAT SOMEBODY ELSE DOES IN THEIR WATERSHED AFFECTS THE WATER THAT I RECEIVE.
AND WHAT I DO IN MY WATERSHED AFFECTS THE WATER THAT SOMEBODY ELSE RECEIVES DOWNSTREAM.
IF WE DON'T CLEAN UP OUR ACT, OUR WATER RESOURCES, WHICH WE SIMPLY CANNOT LIVE WITHOUT WILL BE RUINED COMING UP.
CAN THE WATER SUPPLY FOR 9 MILLION NEW YORKERS BE SAVED FROM THE RAVAGES OF POLLUTED RUNOFF IN JANUARY OF 19 96, 1 OF THE MOST DEVASTATING WINTER STORMS IN HISTORY SLAMS THE EAST COAST TWO FEET OF SNOW DUMPS ON NEW YORK AND THROUGHOUT THE NORTHEAST CORRIDOR SCHOOLS, AIRPORTS AND ROADS ARE SHUT DOWN BY THE TIME IT'S OVER THE BLIZZARD AND RESULT IN FLOODING COST $3 BILLION IN LOSSES AND 187 LIVES ARE TAKEN.
AND IN THE CATSKILL MOUNTAINS OF UPSTATE NEW YORK, THE SNOW MELT TRIGGERS ANOTHER POTENTIALLY DEVASTATING CRISIS, STORMWATER RUNOFF CONTAMINATED WITH TRASH, DIRT, FERTILIZERS, AND PESTICIDES FROM NEARBY FARMS AND COMMUNITIES THREATENS THE FRESH WATER SUPPLY.
AND THE CATSKILL SYSTEM OF RESERVOIRS IS VITALLY IMPORTANT FOR IT IS THE BIGGEST WATERSHED OF NEW YORK CITY PROVIDING DRINKING WATER TO OVER 9 MILLION PEOPLE.
THE MIRACLE OF THE CITY'S WATER SUPPLY SYSTEM IS LARGELY UNKNOWN TO MOST NEW YORKERS.
YOU ASK PEOPLE WHERE DOES THE WATER COME FROM? OFTEN PEOPLE SHRUG THEIR SHOULDERS AND SAY NEW JERSEY.
I FIGURED THAT, UH, WE WERE PROBABLY OUR OWN SEPARATE WATER SYSTEMS FROM THEN FROM UPSTATE AND RATHER THAN BE DRINKING WATER FROM UPSTATE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF HOW LARGE THE PROBLEM IS AND HOW CLOSE TO CRISIS MANY OF OUR WATER SUPPLY SYSTEMS ARE TO PRESERVE THE PURITY OF THE RESERVOIRS AND ENFORCE THE SAFE DRINKING WATER ACT.
THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY PRESENTED THE BIG APPLE WITH TWO OPTIONS, EITHER BUILD AND MAINTAIN A $6 BILLION FACILITY TO FILTER ALL OF THE CITY'S TAP WATER OR FUND A $1 BILLION PROGRAM TO PROTECT THE WATERSHED FROM POLLUTED RUNOFF.
WHEN IT COMES TO OUR INVESTMENT IN CLEAN AIR AND CLEAN WATER, PRESERVING OPEN SPACE, FIXING ANTIQUATED SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANTS, WE CAN'T WAIT.
IT DOESN'T GET ANY LESS EXPENSIVE.
THE HISTORIC WATERSHED AGREEMENT OF 1997, AN UNPRECEDENTED UPSTATE DOWNSTATE PARTNERSHIP WAS FORGED TO PROTECT THE NEW YORK CITY WATER SUPPLY OR WATER WATERSHED AGREEMENT IS SAVING NEW YORK CITY, BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
THE PLAN INCLUDES PURCHASING AND PRESERVING 355,000 ACRES OF UNDEVELOPED WATERSHED LAND, THE UPGRADING OF SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANTS AND THE PROTECTION AND RESTORATION OF STREAM CORRIDORS.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS A MAIN TRIBUTARY OF THE SOPAS CREEK.
WE WERE SEEING A LOT OF SEDIMENT COMING OUT OF THE STREAM.
THE CLAY GETS INTO THE WATER COLUMN AND IT BECOMES VERY TURBINE.
AND THEN IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT TO TREAT AND CLEAN THAT WATER.
SO FROM A WATER QUALITY PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT EROSION.
THE PROGRAM ALSO PROVIDES FUNDING FOR FARMERS THAT IMPLEMENT AGRICULTURE MANAGEMENT PRACTICES.
WELL, WE HAVE A VERY EXCITING PROGRAM WITH THE WATERSHED AGRICULTURAL COUNCIL, WHERE WE ARE WORKING WITH LOCAL FARMERS.
WE LOOK AT HOW THEY'RE HANDLING THE ANIMALS, FILL THAT THE RUNOFF ASSOCIATED WITH MANURE FERTILIZER AND THAT THAT FARM ACTIVITY ISN'T GETTING INTO THE STREAMS AROUND OUR RESERVOIRS WATER HERE IS BASICALLY THE WATER YOU'RE GOING TO BE DRINKING DOWN IN THE CITY.
AND, UH, I FEEL I'VE GOT A RESPONSIBILITY TO TRY MY BEST TO KEEP IT CLEAN FOR WHEN IT GETS DOWN THERE.
IT USED TO BE WHEN IT RAINED HERE ON THE FARM, THE WATER THAT RAN AWAY FROM THE, THE BACK OF THE BARN HERE WAS FULL OF MUD MANURE, AND IT WOULD JUST RUN BROWN AND RIGHT INTO THE STREAM.
TWO YEARS AGO, WE WOULD SPREAD EVERY DAY.
WE'D HAVE TO TAKE IT OUT, SPREAD IT ON THE FIELDS.
IF THE SNOW IS DEEP, WE SPREAD IT ON THE SNOW.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, IF THE GROUND WAS FROZEN, WHEN THE SNOW MELTED, THE NUTRIENT VALUE OF IT FOR FERTILIZER WAS GONE.
THAT WOUND UP DOWN IN THE RESERVOIR WITH NEW YORK CITY FUNDING, A SECURE ABOVE GROUND STEEL TANK THAT CAN HOLD 400,000 GALLONS OF MANURE WAS INSTALLED IN THE METAL BROOK.
THAT'S ENOUGH STORAGE FOR SIX MONTHS OF THE YEAR.
NOW WE CAN STORE IT, SPREAD IT WHEN IT'LL DO THE MOST GOOD TO US FOR FERTILIZER.
AND, UH, WE DON'T HAVE TO SPREAD IT EVERY DAY, TIM, ON THE PLAN TO DEVELOP THE IMPROVEMENTS WE'RE GOING TO MAKE PLAN REALLY BELONGS TO THE FARMER.
UH, AND IT'S A COLLABORATION OF THEIR IDEAS AND WHAT TECHNICAL ADVICE WE CAN BRING TO THE PROGRAM.
BUT THE FARMER MAKES A DECISION.
IT'S A PROGRAM THAT SEEMS TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.
HERE'S TO THE FARMERS WHO ARE WORKING SO HARD TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT CLEAN WATER PUTTING ON TO GUARANTEE THE CITY'S WATER SUPPLY IS FRESH AT THE TAP.
COMPREHENSIVE TESTS ARE PERFORMED BY THE NEW YORK CITY DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION, BOTH IN THE LAB AND AT OVER 1000 SAMPLING STATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, NEW YORK CITY.
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ONE OF THE MOST EXTENSIVE WATER QUALITY MONITORING PROGRAMS IN THE NATION.IF NOT THE WORLD WE'RE SAMPLING EVERY DAY, 365 DAYS A YEAR, I'VE BEEN DRINKING THIS WATER FOR 53 YEARS.
THAT'S WATER IN THE WORLD, NEW YORK CITY, STRAIGHT FROM THE TAP TO MY LIPS COMING UP.
THE FUTURE OF OUR WATER SUPPLY REMAINS AT RISK, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING EVERYONE CAN DO TO HELP PROTECT IT.
FIND OUT HOW NEXT TO KEEP OUR WATERSHEDS FREE OF POLLUTANTS WILL REQUIRE THE ACTIONS OF EVERY CITIZEN HUMIDITY AND BUSINESS PAVED, CONCRETE SURFACES, ASPHALT PARKING, LOTS SIDEWALKS.
THE QUESTION IS, DO WE NEED TO HAVE AS MANY AS WE DO BECAUSE TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU HAVE TOO MUCH IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, THE WATER IS NOT RETAINED ONSITE.
IT DOESN'T SOAK INTO THE GROUND.
IT RUNS OFF, PICKS UP SPEED, CARRIES POLLUTANTS AND CONTAMINANTS INTO THE WATER BODY.
ONE STRATEGY FOR PREVENTING STORMWATER RUNOFF IS OCCURRING AT THE NEW FORD ROUGE CENTER IN DEARBORN, MICHIGAN.
THIS REMODELED TRUCK PLAN IS COVERED BY A GREEN ROOF.
THE SIZE OF EIGHT FOOTBALL FIELDS PLANTED WITH A POOREST GROUND COVER.
IT REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF POLLUTED RUNOFF RELEASED INTO THE WATERSHED.
THE THING THAT TENDS TO GET THE MOST ATTENTION IS THE 10 ACRE GREEN ROOF, BUT THAT'S REALLY JUST PART OF A PHILOSOPHY THAT IF AN AREA DOES NOT HAVE TO BE PAID OR BUILT UPON, IT'S GOING TO BE GREEN SPACE AND COMMUNITIES ARE ALSO IMPLEMENTING GREENSPACE STRATEGIES, SUCH AS RAIN GARDENS SLOPED THE LIE IN SUCH A MANNER THAT ALL THE FLOW GOES TOWARDS THIS LANDSCAPING, WHERE BASICALLY THE POLLUTED RUNOFF CAN PERCOLATE INTO THE GROUND AND GET FILTERED.
UM, AND THEN GOING STRAIGHT ONTO THE STREET INTO THE STORM DRAIN SYSTEM AND REALLY A VERY SIMPLE APPROACH TO CLEANING UP OUR RUNOFF IN URBAN AREAS.
BUT PERHAPS THE MOST POWERFUL COURSE OF ACTION IS INDIVIDUAL PARTICIPATION.
PEOPLE NEED TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE STATE OF OUR WATERS AND WATER.
CONSERVATION IS ONE AREA WHERE THEY CAN DO THAT AS A COMMITTED CITIZEN, ALL THOSE THINGS YOUR MOM TOLD YOU TO TAKE A SHORT SHOWER, DON'T LET THE WATER TAP RUNWAY OF BRUSHING YOUR TEETH IN YOUR HOUSEHOLD.
HAZARDOUS WASTE TO A CLEANUP AND RECYCLING DAY.
DON'T WASH YOUR CAR ON THE, ON THE STREETS AND PUT ALL THOSE SUDS DOWN INTO THE DRAIN.
WHEN YOU CHANGE YOUR USE MOTOR L YOU DON'T DUMP IT INTO THE STREET.
EVERYBODY'S GOT TO CLEAN UP AFTER THEIR PETS.
OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A BIG CONCERN, FERTILIZERS, HERBICIDES, PESTICIDES, MAKE SURE YOU DON'T USE THEM ANY TIME.
THERE'S ANY CHANCE OF RAIN COMING UP IN THE NEAR FUTURE WHEN YOU'RE IRRIGATING YOUR LAWN IN YOUR GARDEN, MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT OVER SPRAYING AND CAUSING ALL THOSE CHEMICALS TO END UP GETTING INTO THE STORM DRAIN SYSTEM.
THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM IS IF EVERYBODY DOES THEIR PART, WE ALL LIVE IN A WATERSHED.
WE ALL HAVE AN IMPACT ON OUR ENVIRONMENT, AND WE MUST ALL PLAY A ROLE IN THE PROTECTION AND RESTORATION OF OUR VALUABLE WATER RESOURCES TO LEARN MORE ABOUT HOW YOU CAN GET INVOLVED AND TO GET A FREE BROCHURE CALLED AFTER THE STORM.
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