Nov 02, 2021 Hilton Head Island Town Council

[1. Call to Order]

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WORKSHOP JOB AS THE FREEDOM OF MISSION ACT. >> YES SIR.

WE ARE DUE TO ROLL CALL PLEASE. YES, SIR. MAYOR MCCANN HERE MR. HAGEN'S

HERE FROM HERE. >> MR. AMES HERE. MR. MANNIX BURIED YOUR STANFORD

HERE OUR PRESIDENT SIR. >> WEAKENS. >> I'LL TAKE YOU TO THE FLOODING OF THE STATES OF AMERICA. AND HERE'S THE WHICH DEPENDS ON

WHAT THE REASONABLE PERSON IN CHARGE IS. >> I'M GOING TO LOOK GENDER

[5. Approval of the Agenda]

MOVE FOR APPROVAL AGENDA. >> SECOND WELL ATTENDANTS, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

[6.a. Presentation and Discussion of the Hilton Head Island Redistricting Process from Frank Rainwater, Executive Director of the South Carolina Revenue and Fiscal Affairs Office]

THERE'LL BE NO VOTE TAKEN AFTER THIS MEETING. THE QUESTIONS OF OUR NEXT STEPS AFTER THE MEETING. WILL BE DONE BY MR. GRUBER. I APPRECIATE FAIRBANK AN OLDER QUESTIONS TILL THE END BECAUSE IT'S A RATHER LENGTHY PRESENTATION WITH THAT.

FRANK, GOOD MORNING. DEXTER. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

MEMBERS OF COUNCIL IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE AND TO BE TO BE ASSISTING THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD ON REDISTRICTING EFFORTS. LET ME INTRODUCE THE OTHERS IN THE ROOM WITH ME RIGHT RIGHT BEHIND ME IS VICTOR FROM TROUGH.

HE'S OUR LEAD MAP MAKER. TIME IS A MARY FRIEND EXCUSE ME MARY KATHERINE MILLER.

>> SHE'S ONE OF OUR STAFF RESEARCH AN ATTORNEY WHO'S BEEN HELPING US AND ADAM TO MARS OVER HERE IS ONE OF OUR GAIA SPECIALISTS AND MESSAGES PART OF THE TEAM.

WE HAVE NUMEROUS OTHER INDIVIDUALS AND SPECIALLY STATISTICIANS HELPING PULL THIS INFORMATION TOGETHER FOR YOU. SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE DURING OR AFTER. BUT I WANT TO WALK THROUGH TWO PARTS OF THIS FOR YOU AND FOR THE PUBLIC. AND ABOUT WHAT THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS IS AND THEN ABOUT THE REPORT WE JUST PROVIDED YOU ABOUT SOME OF THE DETAILS WHAT WE SAID ABOUT THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD. SO TO BEGIN WITH THIS PROCESS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL WAS HERE. WE'RE HERE 10 YEARS AGO WHEN YOU DID REDISTRICTING BUT DUE TO SOME SUPREME COURT DECISIONS, THE PROCESS HAS CHANGED. WE THINK POINT FOCUSES ON TRANSPARENCY AND HAVING MORE INFORMATION UP FRONT IN DECIDING THIS, DECIDING THESE ISSUES.

THE BIGGEST CHANGE FROM LAST TIME IS THAT YOU'RE NO LONGER UNDER THE VOTING EXCUSE ME UNDER PRECLEARANCE BY THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE LAST TIME WHEN YOU ADOPTED A PLAN IT HAD TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND THEY HAD TO APPROVE THE PRESENT PLAN OR BASICALLY PRECLEAR IT FOR THE ELECTIONS BASED ON SOME RECENT SUPREME COURT DECISION, SOUTH CAROLINA NO LONGER FALLS UNDER THAT REQUIREMENT. SO THERE'S A MUCH MORE OF AN EMPHASIS UPON CAPITAL TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND THE RISK INVOLVED AND TO DO THIS WHEN YOU UNDER PRECLEARANCE. IT WAS GOOD AND BAD. IT WAS BAD BECAUSE YOU HAD SOMEBODY ELSE LOOKING OVER YOUR SHOULDER TOP IN HAVING TO COMMENT ON YOUR PLAN.

BUT IT WAS GOOD IN THE WAY THAT IF YOU HAD PRECLEARANCE IT KIND OF GAVE YOU A PROTECTION THERE.

IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO SUE YOU OR CHALLENGE YOU YOU KNOW YOU SAY WHAT DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE PRECLEAR DID A LITTLE BIT HIGHER BURDEN FOR THEM TO OVERCOME THAT IS NO LONGER THE CASE. AND PART OF WHAT WE WANT TO EMPHASIZE WITH YOU IS THE RISK THAT WE SEE IT'S CONSTITUTIONAL, STATUTORY AND TRADITIONAL PRINCIPLES HERE OF REDISTRICTING THAT COUNCIL HAS TO BE AWARE. THE BOTTOM LINE IS IN WHAT WE'RE GOING TO EMPHASIZE FOR YOU IS THAT COUNCIL IS GOING TO HAVE TO BALANCE A NUMBER OF FACTORS HERE. IT COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT FITS THEM.

WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD MAY BE DIFFERENT FOR COUNTY IT MAY BE DIFFERENT THAN A NEIGHBORING CITY. IT DEPENDS ON THAT LOCAL FLAVOR AND THAT LOCAL INPUT THAT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU AND I'M GOING TO HIGHLIGHT THAT FOR YOU AFTER THIS MEETING.

AT SOME POINT COUNTY WILL NEED TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE OUTLINING THE BASIC PRINCIPLES OR GOALS THAT YOU HAVE. I BELIEVE IT THE TOWN THE MISSILE LEVEL, IT TAKES TWO RATINGS. THE COUNTIES USUALLY TAKE THREE RATINGS BUT THIS WILL TAKE A COUPLE OF RATINGS COUNCIL HAS THE OPTION TO AMEND THE PLAN AS YOU GO FORWARD OR YOU COULD

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HAVE SOME OPTIONS THERE. >> SO TO BEGIN WITH LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT REDISTRICTING PRINT AND IN GENERAL AND I WILL START WITH PAGE TWO OF OUR REPORT. IF YOU HAVE SEEN THAT OR WHEN YOU GET TO PAY WHEN YOU GET TO THAT REPORT, THE BASIC PRINCIPLE OF REDISTRICTING IS

MAINTAINING ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE. >> AND WHAT THE COURTS MEAN BY THAT OR WHAT WE TRY TO EXPLAIN BY THAT IS YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN YOUR DISTRICT ARE EQUAL OR THEREABOUTS CLOSELY EQUAL TO THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE TO THE ADJOINING DISTRICT BY MAKING SURE THEY'RE EQUAL IN EVERYBODY'S VOICE WEIGHS THE SAME. LET ME USE A GENTLE EXAMPLE SIMPLE EXAMPLE IF YOU HAVE A DISTRICT WITH ONE HUNDRED PEOPLE WITH AND THE ADJOINING DISTRICT HAS TWO HUNDRED PEOPLE IN IT THAT DISTRICT WITH ONLY ONE HUNDRED PEOPLE THEIR VOICES HAVE A GREATER SAY BECAUSE IT ONLY TAKES ONE HUNDRED PEOPLE TO ELECT A COUNCILMAN TO HAVE THEIR PERSON.

EXCUSE ME HAVE THEIR VOICE REPRESENTED ON COUNCIL IF YOU WERE IN A DISTRICT WITH 200 PEOPLE. IT TOOK IT TAKES TWICE AS MANY PEOPLE TO ELECT.

AND IN EFFECT YOUR VOICE WEIGHS HALF AS MUCH AS SOMEBODY THAT HUNDRED PERSON DISTRICT.

SO THE INTENT OF REDISTRICTING IS AFTER THE CENSUS COMES OUT TO EQUALIZE THAT IN ESSENCE THE IDEA WOULD BE TO HAVE ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY PEOPLE IN EACH DISTRICT.

THAT'S THE BASIC PRINCIPLE. THE COURT HAS DETERMINED IT'S PART OF THE 14TH AMENDMENT OR THE EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE THAT EVERYBODY'S VOICE IS HAS ABOUT AN EQUAL SAY IN THEIR GOVERNING PROCESS. THE SECOND THING WE'LL TALK ABOUT IS THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT UNDER THE 14TH AMENDMENT. I SHOULD ADD THAT THE VOTING UNDER THE 14TH AMENDMENT.

THE COURTS HAVE ALSO SAID YOU CANNOT USE RACE AS A PREDOMINANT FACTOR WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT REDISTRICTING. AT THE OTHER END OF THAT WE HAVE THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO TAKE RACE INTO ACCOUNT. YOU HAVE TO RESPECT THE VOTING INTERESTS OF THE MINORITIES. AND WE'VE GOT SOME STATISTICS HERE.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN A MINUTE. SO IN BALANCING THIS YOU HAVE THE 14TH AMENDMENT.

YOU HAD THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT AND THEN WE HAVE A SET OF CREDIT CRITERIA CALLED TRADITIONAL REDISTRICTING PRINCIPLES. AND BASICALLY WHAT THOSE ARE THEY'RE VERY SIMPLE CONCEPT. BUT YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT EACH PART OF YOUR DISTRICT IS CONTIGUOUS. YOU CAN'T SPLIT UP YOUR DISTRICT INTO TWO INDEPENDENT ZONES, SO TO SPEAK. EACH PART OF YOUR DISTRICT HAS TO CONNECT ANOTHER.

YOU TRY TO MAKE SURE YOUR DISTRICT IS AS COMPACT AS POSSIBLE.

THAT LARGELY DEPENDS UPON THE POPULATED IT TO BE AND HOW YOU DRAW THESE OTHER MAPS.

BUT IT'S KIND OF THE LOOK TEST WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT IF IT LOOKS LIKE A DISTRICT IT'S MORE SQUARE AS OPPOSED TO NOT SHAKE . THAT'S THE PREFERENCE YOU TRIED TO AVOID SPLITTING PRECINCTS. ULTIMATELY WHEN PEOPLE GO TO VOTE YOU WANT TO BE A SIMPLE LOAN. THE PUBLIC IS POSSIBLE IN AND YOU WANT TO TRY TO AVOID SPLITTING PRECINCTS. NOW THE SMALLER THE AREA YOU HAVE LIKE A TOWN THE MORE DIFFICULT THAT MAY BE. BUT YOU WANT TO MAKE IT THIS ADMINISTRATIVELY SIMPLE AND YOU TRY TO AVOID SPLITTING IT IS IF YOU PRECINCTS AS POSSIBLE NOW SOMEWHAT THAT THAT'S A BALANCING ACT WITH MAINTAINING ONE PERSON ONE VOTE. YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO SPLIT SOME PRECINCTS TO GET THAT POPULATION RIGHT. BECAUSE PRECINCTS ARE NOT OF THE SAME SIZE AND THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS IN THE RIGHT LOCATION OR YOU NEED TO DRAW THE LINES. AND THE MOST IMPORTANT THING FROM THE LOCAL LEVEL IS DEFINING WHAT ARE YOUR CORE DISTRICTS IN WHAT ARE YOUR COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST?

>> AT THE STATE LEVEL WE CAN LOOK AT THE MAP SO WE CAN LOOK AT STATISTICS AND WE CAN LOOK AT THE CENSUS SCALE AND WE CAN BALANCE THOSE NUMBERS AND WE CAN LOOK AT THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT AND WE CAN MAKE THOSE JUDGMENT CALLS. BUT IT'S PART OF YOUR REDISTRICTING PRINCIPLES. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO DECIDE WHAT'S IMPORTANT IN YOUR AREA. WHAT ARE THE COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST? WHAT ARE THE CORE PARTS OF YOUR DISTRICT? WHEN WE GO THROUGH THESE NUMBERS IN A MINUTE YOU WILL SEE THAT SOME OF YOUR DISTRICTS DON'T HAVE TO GIVE UP PEOPLE.

SOME OF YOUR DISTRICTS NEED TO GAIN PEOPLE. WELL, YOU'LL HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT PART OF YOUR DISTRICTS NEED TO BE GIVEN UP OR WHERE YOU NEED TO GAIN.

HOW DO YOU MOVE THOSE PEOPLE OUT OR MOVE THOSE PEOPLE AROUND I SHOULD SAY.

AND THAT SHOULD LARGELY BE BASED ON A COMMUNITY OF INTEREST.

YOU TRY TO SPLIT, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD YOU TRY NOT TO SPLIT OTHER AREAS WHETHER IT'S A WORK ZONE, BUSINESS ZONE OR WHATEVER. WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD FIELD IN COLUMBIA FOR WHAT THAT IS. SO AS YOU GO THROUGH THIS, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO DECIDE AS A GROUP WHAT AREAS OR WHERE WE START SPLITTING ACCOUNTS OR HAVE TO MOVE THINGS AROUND.

WHAT MAKES SENSE FROM A COMMUNITY STANDPOINT OR FROM YOUR CORE DISTRICT TO MOVE THOSE AROUND. SO THAT'S A BIG INPUT THERE. SO TO GO TO OUR REPORT HERE

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THE GOAL WOULD BE TO HAVE APPROXIMATELY SIX THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY SEVEN PEOPLE IN EACH DISTRICT. THAT WOULD BE THE PERFECT IDEAL DISTRICT.

YOU HAVE TWO DISTRICTS DISTRICT 4 5 BETTER 9 PERCENT BELOW. THEY ARE ABOUT 600 PEOPLE BELOW THAT AVERAGE. SO THOSE TWO DISTRICTS NEED TO PICK UP SIX HUNDRED PEOPLE CLOSELY. THERE ABOUT YOUR OTHER DISTRICTS HAVE TOO MANY PEOPLE MOST NOTABLY ONE IN TWO AND SIX . THEY ARE OVER BY ABOUT THREE HUNDRED THREE TO FOUR HUNDRED PEOPLE EACH. SO DISTRICT 3 IS PRETTY CLOSE.

YOU MAY NOT HAVE TO DO MUCH WITH THAT BUT AGAIN IT DEPENDS ON THE OVERALL BALANCE.

COUNCIL HAS TO DEAL WITH WHEN YOU'RE HAVING TO MAINTAIN ONE PERSON ONE VOTE.

>> THERE'S A PRINCIPLE CALLED OUR BASIC CONCEPT CALLED DEVIATION FRANK.

>> I'M JUST CAUSE YOU FOR ONE SECOND THE MATERIALS THAT HE SENT OVER EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON. WE'RE GOING TO SEE IF WE CAN THROW THOSE UP ON A SCREEN.

THAT WAY EVERYBODY CAN TAKE A LOOK. AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH I THINK IT'S GOING TO HELP FOLKS JUST FOLLOW ALONG A LITTLE BIT EASIER.

SO IF YOU BEAR WITH US FOR JUST ABOUT TWO SECONDS, WE'RE GOING TO GET THROUGH THE TECHNOLOGY CAPABILITIES HERE. WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS THAT WAY.

I WANT JUST ASK YOU TO KIND OF RADIO BECAUSE AGAIN THOSE ARE OBVIOUSLY VERY IMPORTANT

FIGURES AND NUMBERS TO GO OVER FROM WHERE WE'RE STARTING OUT. >> OK.

THERE WE GO. CHRISTINE, GOOD. WONDERFUL.

>> THAT'S GREAT. YEAH. IF YOU COULD GO TO PAGE THREE

AND THREE TIPS THREE ONE MORE. >> THERE YOU GO. >> THANK YOU.

SO WE HAVE HERE. THE STATISTICS ON THE LEFT AND WE HAVE A BAR GRAPH ON THE RIGHT JUST SHOWING. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT BAR GRAPH THERE, THAT RED LINE REPRESENTS THE IDEAL DISTRICT BASED ON THE NEW CENSUS POPULATION OF YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT SIX THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY SEVEN PEOPLE. THAT'S THE GOLD THE GRAY AREAS THERE. THOSE ARE THE TWO DISTRICTS THAT ARE BELOW THAT GOLD.

YOU SAY THERE 56 SEVENTY TWO AND FIFTY SEVEN TEN. THEN YOU HAVE FOUR DISTRICTS.

THEY ARE ONE, TWO, THREE AND FOUR THAT ARE ABOVE THAT. SO YOUR GOAL IS TO MINIMIZE THAT DEVIATION IN THEIR WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TABLE ON THE LEFT THERE AT THE BOTTOM THE BOTTOM NUMBER THAT TABLES CALLED RANGE THAT'S FIFTEEN POINT FIFTY FIFTEEN POINT FIFTY SEVEN PERCENT. WHAT THE COURTS HAVE SAID AND WHAT STATE LAW REQUIRES IS YOUR DEVIATION BETWEEN YOUR HIGHEST DISTRICT WHICH WILL BE DISTRICT TO YOUR HIGHEST POPULATION DISTRICT THAT'S FIVE POINT NINETY THREE PERCENT ABOVE THE GOAL AND YOUR LOWEST POPULATED DISTRICT BEST DISTRICT FOR IS MINUS NINE POINT SIX FOUR. IF YOU COMBINE THOSE TWO NUMBERS DISREGARDING THE ALGEBRAIC SINE YOU GET A RANGE OF FIFTEEN POINT FIVE SEVEN PERCENT YOUR GOAL IS TO GET BELOW 10 PERCENT. THAT IS THE ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM.

OUR RECOMMENDATION IS YOU SHOULD GO LOWER POSSIBLY YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO A 5 PERCENT RANGE. SO IN OTHER WORDS YOU LIKE TO HAVE THE HIGHEST DISTRICT NO MORE THAN ABOUT TWO AND A HALF PERCENT OVER AND THE LOWEST DISTRICT ABOUT TWO AND A HALF PERCENT UNDER. BUT YOU CAN GO. YOU CAN GO ANYWHERE BELOW 10 PERCENT. THE CLOSER YOU GET TO ZERO THE STRONGER YOUR PLAN IS.

BUT AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO BALANCE THE NEED HERE FOR DEVIATION WITH THESE OTHER FACTORS.

WHERE YOU HAVE TO DECIDE IS IT MORE IMPORTANT TO HAVE A COMMUNITY TO KEEP ONE COMMUNITY HELP LARGER? IS IT BETTER TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER OR LOWER DEVIATION THERE IN ORDER TO PRESERVE A COMMUNITY OR DO YOU NEED TO SPLIT THAT AREA? THOSE ARE DECISIONS COUNCIL HAS TO MAKE. I SHOULD SAY FOR THE PUBLIC YOU CANNOT ALWAYS RESPECT EVERY COMMUNITY. THE LINES HAVE TO BE DRAWN SOMEWHERE. THERE'S NO PERFECT PLAN. SOME COMMUNITY WILL TAKE PRIORITY OVER ANOTHER OR SOME INTEREST OUTWEIGH ANOTHER. SO YOU CAN'T MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY IS JUST THE WAY IT SHOULD BE THE WAY IT WORKS HERE. I WISH IT WAS SIMPLE THAT WE COULD SIMPLY PUT ALL THESE FACTORS IN A STATISTICAL MODEL AND TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ALL THESE FACTORS AND WHILE THAT CAN MATHEMATICALLY TO ME IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THIS COMMUNITY INTEREST THOSE DESIRES OF COUNSEL IN THOSE CONSTITUENT WHICH HAVE TO BE TAKEN INTO

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BUT AGAIN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT DEVIATION PERCENT, IDEALLY THE GOAL WOULD BE TO GET SOMEWHERE BETWEEN POSITIVE 2 AND MINUS DISPOSITIVE 2 AND A HALF AND MINUS TWO AND A HALF.

THE STATE SENATE HAS ADOPTED A 5 PERCENT DEVIATION STANDARD IN ITS PLAN.

BUT THAT'S A DECISION COUNCIL WILL HAVE TO MAKE OF WHICH WAY THEY WANT TO GO.

IF WE CAN FLIP OVER TO PAGE FIVE, TWO MORE PAGES THERE'S A SET OF TABLES.

>> THANK YOU. >> SO THIS CHART STARTS TALKING ABOUT THE RACIAL FACTORS AND THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT. THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT SAYS YOU HAVE TO GIVE ATTENTION TO THE MINORITY DISTRICTS THAT YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO LINK THAT VOTING STRENGTH OR NOT TO PACK IT ALL IN ONE AREA. SO IF YOU'VE HEARD THE TERM PACKING OR CRACKING OF PUTTING TOO MUCH TOO MANY MINORITIES IN AN AREA OR SEPARATING THEM OUT OF A COMMUNITY TO THEIR VOTING

STRENGTH, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH OF AN ISSUE HERE. >> GIVE IT GIVEN THE THE OVERALL MIX OF HILTON HEAD, YOUR MINORITY COMMUNITY, THE BLACK POPULATION SIX POINT ONE PERCENT IT'S HIGHEST IN DISTRICT 1. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH OF THE BLACK COMMUNITY THERE TO DRAW WITH DISTRICT AS FAR AS RACE IS CONCERNED.

BUT AS ETHNICITY CITY IS CONCERNED YOU HAVE A HIGHER HISPANIC POPULATION IN DISTRICT 1 OVERALL THE HISPANIC POPULATION THERE YOU SEE IT'S 13 PERCENT.

THERE IS A HEAVIER LARGER POPULATION MIX IN DISTRICT 1 SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT THE WHITE POPULATION IS 40 PERCENT. THAT'S MORE OF AN INFLUENCE DISTRICT.

THE MINORITIES HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THAT. BUT UNDER THE REDISTRICTING PRINCIPLES THE OTHER FACTOR YOU HAVE TO LOOK IS IS NOT ONLY THE SIZE OF THIS BUT DID THEY VOTE AS A BLOC WHICH WILL TAKE SOME FURTHER ANALYSIS HERE TO DO THAT.

BUT I DON'T SEE A PARTICULAR AREA HERE WHERE YOU CAN DRAW A MAJORITY MINORITY DISTRICTS.

YOU JUST DON'T HAVE THE POPULATION THERE. THERE WROTE THE REPRESENTATIVE YOU KNOW A DISTRICT ONE BUT DON'T SAIL AWAY TO REALLY MAKE MUCH CHANGE OF THAT GOING FORWARD IN THAT DESK. THAT'S JUST SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO LOOK AND BE AWARE OF AND CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, OVER TIME THINGS CHANGE. JUST TO BE AWARE OF THAT.

BUT I DON'T SEE THIS AS A BORDERLINE ISSUE. WE HAVE SOME CITIES WHERE THE POPULATION MIX IS MUCH MORE BALANCED AND YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT MORE CLOSELY.

SO IT JUST EXPLAIN THE TABLE. WE HAD A QUESTION LAST NIGHT. THE TOP SENATE CHARGE IS ACTUAL POPULATION. THE BOTTOM CHART THAT BHP IS VOTING AGE POPULATION THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE LOOK AGAIN WE LOOK INTO WHEN YOU LOOK HAVE TO LOOK AT THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT BUT I DON'T SAY DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT BEING A PRIME CONSIDERATION BECAUSE OF THE

LOW MINORITY POPULATION IN THE TOWN HERE. >> SO ON PAGE SIX OF 6.

YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF OUR CONCLUSION RECOMMENDATIONS WE DID TRY TO DO WELL.

IT WILL STOP. THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU.

WE'RE TRYING TO DO A VOTING ANALYSIS BUT THE DATA AT THE LOCAL LEVEL IS VERY SPARSE, DIFFICULT. HOWEVER, THAT ONLY COMES INTO PLAY IF WE HAVE TO LOOK HARDER THAN IN THESE FIRST TWO STEPS ON THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT. WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO SO.

OUR RECOMMENDATION IS AS MUCH AS YOUR IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING TODAY.

>> IS THAT IT IS BEST PRACTICE FOR YOU TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING TO DISCUSS THIS REPORT AND SOLICIT FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC. IN MY READING OF THE RECENT COURT DECISIONS, THE COURT'S VERY MUCH PREFER TO HAVE DECISIONS MADE UP FRONT BY COUNSEL FOR Y'ALL TO DISCUSS IN ADVANCE AND FIT YOUR CRITERIA IN THE COURT.

AGAIN, IN THE CASES I HAVE READ THE OPINIONS THE COURT'S KIND OF FROWNED UPON FINDING A REASON AFTER THE FACT SHOULD YOU GET CHEAT SHEET YOU GET SUED AND WANT TO DEFENSE SOMETHING AFTER THE FACT. THE COURT DOESN'T LIKE SAYING THAT AFTER THE REASON WHY YOU DREW A CERTAIN WAY. SO THE MORE DISCUSSION YOU HAVE UP FRONT THE MORE TRANSPARENT IT IS THE STRONGER BUILDS A RECORD. AND AGAIN THAT'S WHAT THIS WHOLE PROCESS IS IS SHOULD YOU GET SUED, YOU'RE BUILDING A RECORD ESTABLISHING UP FRONT.

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WE HAVE TO DRAFT RESOLUTIONS HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY OTHER COUNTIES AND CITIES TO HELP YOU GO THROUGH THIS. BUT BASICALLY WE NEED YOU TO BASICALLY IT'S RECOMMENDED THAT YOU ADOPT INORDINATE TO SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO ADHERE TO THE 14TH AMENDMENT AND THE ONE PERSON ONE VOTE WE'RE GOING TO ESTABLISH A DEVIATION OF 5 PERCENT OR 10 PERCENT OR WE'RE GOING TO GO AS GOOD AS WE CAN BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S BELOW 10 PERCENT.

JUST SOMETHING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE FORWARD TO THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT AND THEN YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY HERE TO TALK ABOUT. YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU MINIMIZE THE DIVISION OF VOTING PRECINCTS TO MAKE SURE THINGS ARE COMPACT BUT ESPECIALLY AGAIN WHERE YOU CAN OUTLINE AND TALK ABOUT YOUR CORE DISTRICT AND EXPLAIN THAT UP FRONT. WHAT'S IMPORTANT SO SO THEN I'LL HELP YOU GET STARTED. THERE ARE TWO WAYS OR A COUPLE OF WAYS WE CAN PROCEED AFTER THIS. OUR OFFICE HAS CREATED THIS DATA, THIS BENCHMARK FILE SO TO SPEAK. OUR OFFICE IS GLAD TO WORK WITH YOU.

IN DRAFTING A PLAN THE OTHER EXTREME OF THAT IS WE GIVE THE FILE TO YOUR G.I. S STAFF AND MAKE IT WORK WITH THAT AND WORK WITH YOU INDEPENDENTLY OR YOU CAN WORK WITH IT INDEPENDENTLY AND USE US AS A CONSULTANT AS YOU GO THROUGH THIS. WE ARE HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU AS BEST WE CAN. I WILL SAY THAT WE HAVE 30 COUNTIES AND 15 CITIES PLUS A COUPLE OF SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND OTHER OTHER AREAS WE'RE WORKING WITH AND WE'VE GOT A SMALL STAFF SO WE'RE NOT ABLE TO PROVIDE A LOT OF ONE TO ONE. HANDS ON WORK.

WE KIND OF WORK IS THE WORK COMES OUR PROCESS IS WE WORK WITH THE WHAT WORK COMES INTO THE PASSES IT BACK TO YELL FOR INFORMATION. IT ASKS FOR FEEDBACK BUT IT'S CERTAINLY ACCEPTABLE AND WE'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO PUSH THIS MORE FOR THE 20 30 CITIES TO TRAIN MORE STAFF. SO TREAT YOUR STAFF YOUR G.I. S STAFF CAN WORK MORE DIRECTLY WITH YOU AND HELP YOU LOOK AT OPTIONS AND CONSIDERATIONS GOING THROUGH THIS.

SO MR. MAYOR, THAT IS THE BASIC OUTLINE THAT IS THE BASIC STATISTICS AND REQUIREMENTS YOU HAVE. I HOPE WE'VE BEEN PRETTY CLEAR WITH THIS THAT WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS TO HELP CLARIFY OR COVER SOMETHING WE HAVE DISCUSSED.

>> THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH. WE'LL START WITH THE QUESTION, MR. BROWN.

>> YES, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THANKS JOSH FOR GETTING THAT UP ON THE SCREEN SO WE COULD HAVE SOME REFERENCE.

>> I'M NOT SURE I HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF QUESTIONS FOR WHAT'S BEEN PUT IN FRONT OF US.

MY QUESTION ARE MORE TO US AS A GROUP. BUT I DO HAVE ONE I GUESS NEED A LITTLE HELP WITH WHEN WHEN YOU WHEN YOU DESCRIBE ONE PERSON ONE VOTE I GUESS I I UNDERSTAND THAT FROM A OVER ARCHING CONCEPT WITH OUR POPULATION AT THIRTY SEVEN THOUSAND SIX HUNDRED SIXTY ONE AND YOU BREAKING DOWN DIVISIBLE BY SIX BOTH NOT EXACTLY FOLLOWING IS WHEN YOU START TO BREAK IT DOWN BY RACE AND ETHNIC GROUP IN THE LOWER PERCENTAGES THAT ASSOCIATED WITH THE DISTRICTS OUTSIDE OF WARD 1.

>> I'M JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW I GUESS BEST PRACTICE SOME EXAMPLES OF HOW YOU STILL ACCOMPLISH IN I GUESS THAT'S A LITTLE THAT'S A LITTLE TRICKY TRYING TO TARGET ONE PERSON ONE VOTE AND ALSO TRYING TO HOLD TOGETHER THOSE THOSE ETHNIC OR RACE GROUPS.

>> WE'VE HAVING A A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PERCENTAGE WITHIN ONE DISTRICT.

YEAH, YOU SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. YES, SIR.

SO OK. >> SO ON PAGE 5 WE LOOK AT PAGE 5 GIVE THAT THEY ARE THEY ARE TWO DISTINCT CONCEPTS. YOU'VE GOT THE 14TH AMENDMENT THAT SAYS ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT. SO THOSE ARE TWO THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO BALANCE WHEN WE LOOK AT PAGE FIVE THERE IN THAT COLUMN THERE IS THE STATISTICAL TABLES THAT YOU GET. YEAH. SO YOU LOOK AT DISTRICT 1 THERE IF YOU GO OVER THAT COLUMN THAT SAYS PERCENT NOT HISPANIC DOJ BLACK.

THAT'S THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE DEFINITION OF THE BLACK POPULATION.

DISTRICT 1 HAS 21 PERCENT OF ITS DISTRICT AS THE BLACK POPULATION.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER DISTRICTS THERE BE SMALL THERE 2 PERCENT TWO POINT NINE

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I THINK HE WOULD KIND OF WANT TO KIND OF PRESERVE THAT AREA THERE FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY.

YOU TRYING NOT TO PUT TOO MANY OF THE HISPANICS OUT OF THAT DISTRICT EITHER.

SO BASICALLY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE MOVING MORE OF THE WHITE VOTES IN ONE OF THE OTHER COUNTIES. YOU DON'T WANT TO DILUTE THAT VOTING STRENGTH TO WHATEVER IT'S THERE. NOW YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF MINORITIES IN THE DISTRICT OVERALL BUT TO WATCH THERE I THINK IT'S KIND OF IMPORTANT NOT TO GO BACKWARDS IN A WAY.

SO I DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ON ABSOLUTELY THAT IT HELPS THIS FIGHT.

WHEN I WAS TRYING TO GET TO WAS SOME TYPE OF EITHER BASELINE OR BEST PRACTICE WHEN IT COMES TO MOVING THE NUMBERS AROUND BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE THE BIG SHIFTS BECAUSE A COUPLE OF DISTRICTS OVER A COUPLE OF HUNDRED. BUT HOW YOU MAINTAIN THAT ONE PERSON ONE VOTE AND BE ABLE TO BALANCE FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT AND VOTE.

THAT'S RIGHT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THE DISCUSSION SO YOU REITERATE I'VE GOT IT NOW. THANK YOU. COULD ALSO JUST PENCIL WHERE THEY LOCATED. YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GOT A COMMUNITY RIGHT THERE ON THE BORDER THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO PROTECT, YOU KNOW, WE TRIED ALL THE LOGIC DEPENDS ON WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE LOCATED. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE FACTS DRIVING IT AND SOMETIMES IT'S

EASIER THAN OTHERS AND IT GOES ON BEFORE COUNTERCLAIMS GOES. >> I THINK IT'S WORTH SUPPLEMENTING WITH THAT. COUNCILMAN BROWN, DO YOUR CONCERN WHEN COUNCIL GOES TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION OUTLINING THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS? THAT'S ONE OF THE PRINCIPLES THAT THEY CAN IDENTIFY AS SOMETHING THAT THEY WILL BE FOCUSED ON AS PART OF THAT PROCESS AND FORMALLY INCORPORATED INTO IT FROM THE OUTSET.

AND THEN LAST COMMENT. AND FRANK, IF YOU COULD ROLL. I THINK YOU TOUCHED ON THIS BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH HIGHLIGHTING IT AGAIN THE FACT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK WITH WHOLE CENSUS TRACTS BECAUSE WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT MOVING THOSE POPULATIONS IN AND OUT OF EACH DISTRICT, THAT'S WHERE I HISTORICALLY SEEN PEOPLE STRUGGLE BECAUSE WHEN YOU TAKE A WHOLE CENSUS TRACK YOU TAKE EVERYTHING THAT COMES WITH IT BEING POPULATION AND GRAPHICS AND YOU CAN'T TAKE PORTIONS OF IT. SO HE COULD JUST TOUCH ON THAT BRIEFLY, PLEASE. YES. THANK YOU.

IT'S ACTUALLY BLOCKED TRACKS ARE A LOT OF TRACK OR A BROADER GROUP BUT THE CITIES BLOCK IS THE LOWEST LEVEL OF DETAIL WHICH YOU CAN USE. YOU CANNOT SPLIT CITIES BLOCK CENSUS BLOCKS SOMETIMES THEY LOOK LIKE A MORE UNIFORM WHAT LIKE A CITY BLOCK BUT MORE RURAL AREAS THAT HAVE ODD SHAPES AND WE RUN INTO DIFFICULTY SOMETIMES PEOPLE WANT HALF A BLOCK. WELL NO YOU GET THE WHOLE BLOCK OR NONE OF THAT TO GET TO A BLOCK THAT CONTIGUOUS. SOMETIMES THOSE SHAPES GET IN THE WAY OF THINGS.

SO THAT'S WHERE YOU KNOW WE START GETTING IN THE NITTY GRITTY DETAIL.

IT'S REALLY IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT AND REALLY TIME CONSUMING.

IT MAY LOOK IT MAY LOOK FAT ON A MAP WHERE YOU WANT TO GO BUT ONCE YOU START LOOKING WITH OUR CITY. EXCUSE ME WHERE THE CITY IS BLOCKS ARE SOMETIMES THAT CONTROL QUIRK OR THROW A WRENCH IN WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO AND YOU JUST HAVE TO DEFLATE.

BUT BUT NOW I APPRECIATE YOUR COMING UP FRONT. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. IT IS A CAPITAL SET THE PRIORITIES FOR YOUR COUNCIL.

THINGS LIKE THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT. >> HOW MANY CENSUS BLACKSTONE HILTON ED, GREAT QUESTION. WE MAY HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU. I CAN TELL YOU THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA THEY'RE ABOUT ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY THOUSAND BLOCKS.

>> SO BEAUFORT COUNTY IF YOU'D BETTER GET ABOUT 46 AND THE BRIDGE MAP THAT'S ABOUT FORTY THOUSAND BLOCKS OR 4000 I DON'T KNOW 4000 IT'S 4000 4000 BLOCKS .

>> SO YOU PROBABLY GOT A FEW HUNDRED BLOCKS AT AND UNFORTUNATELY THEY'RE NOT

NECESSARILY EQUALLY DISTRIBUTED . >> SO YOU MAY HAVE A BLOCK THAT

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AND SO IT'S TRULY ON AN INDIVIDUAL LEVEL THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THESE PIECES AND WHEN YOU MOVE ONE WITH A RIPPLE EFFECT IS EVERYWHERE ELSE. AND SO IT TAKES A WHILE TO DO.

BUT I WILL ALSO SAY A LOOKING BACK AT THE PREVIOUS REDISTRICTING EFFORTS AT THE TOWN, I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF VERY WELL DEFINED RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS ON THE ISLAND.

AND SOMETIMES THOSE BLOCKS SPLIT THOSE DISTRICTS. THEY MAY NOT BE ENTIRELY WITHIN ONE AREA AND THAT CAN COME AS A SURPRISE TO SOME PEOPLE. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE TO GET THAT INFORMATION OUT TO FOLKS IN ADVANCE BEFORE THEY START SEEING THESE MAPS AND THESE CHANGES JUST TO LIKE THAT LOOK AT FURTHER THE BLOCKS ARE USED TO BUILD YOUR PRECINCTS.

AND SO SERVES TWO PURPOSES. YOU MAY HAVE TO SPLIT PRECINCTS BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SPLIT BLOCKS SO TERRIFYING YOU FIND THAT YOU TRIED TO MINIMIZE VOTER VOTER DISRUPTION BUT THEY

JAMES. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I WOULD APPRECIATE JUST HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO STUDY THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS JUST GIVEN AND ALSO HAVE STAFF

PROVIDE COUNSEL WITH THE CENSUS BLOCK INFORMATION AS A MAP. >> THE MORE WE CAN HAVE INFORMATION ON A MAP THE BETTER OFF I THINK I'LL BE. APPRECIATE IT.

YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

A FEW QUESTIONS FRANK THE RFA A AS I UNDERSTAND IT RECOMMENDS A DEVIATION RANGE OF 5 PERCENT OF CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG BUT I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SET ANOTHER GOAL AT TWO TO TWO AND A TWO ONE TWO TWO TWO TWO TWO AND A HALF FOR TWO QUARTER PERCENT.

>> THAT IS TRYING TO EXPLAIN WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A RANGE OF 5 PERCENT THAT WOULD BE A RANGE SOMEBODY COULD BE TWO AND A HALF PERCENT ABOVE TWO AND A HALF PERCENT BELOW.

SO YOUR DEVIATION IS THE TOTAL RANGE WHICH WOULD BE 5. BUT IN ESSENCE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING ONE DISTRICT THAT WOULD BE ABOUT TWO AND A HALF PERCENT OR MAYBE THREE PERCENT HIGHER AND THE BIN. IF YOU HAVE TOO MANY SOMEBODY IS GOING TO HAVE TOO FEW SO SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD HAVE TO BE TWO AND A HALF PERCENT OR 2 PERCENT LOW.

SO IT'S A 5 PERCENT. IT'S 5 PERCENT. THE RECOMMENDATION YOU'RE LEGALLY ENTITLED TO GO UP TO 10 ON THAT WHICH WOULD BE LIKE A 5 IN A 5 4 4 4 FOR THE HIGHEST

AND LOWEST DISTRICT. >> SO I TRANSLATED THAT ON AVERAGE IF WE'RE GETTING A 5 PERCENT DEVIATION HIGHLAND WIDE WE'RE PRETTY MUCH IN THE BALLPARK.

>> YES, SIR. CORRECT. YOU KNOW THE DISTRICT DISTRICT 3 IS DEVIATION IS 2 PERCENT. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY NINE PEOPLE

DIFFERENCE PER DISTRICT. >> IT YOU MENTIONED TO PARAPHRASE ENCOURAGING US FOR NOT TO GET INVOLVED IN COMMUNITY AWARENESS, COMMUNITY EDUCATION AND IT IF THAT WERE THE PLEASURE OF THE MAYOR AND TOWN COUNCIL TO HAVE THE ONE OR TWO OR WHATEVER EDUCATIONAL SESSIONS FOR THE COMMUNITY, IS IT YOUR ADVICE THAT IN ADVANCE OF THAT WE AS A COUNCIL HAVE ACHIEVED THE X AMOUNT OF CONSENSUS WE CAN BEFORE THAT OR DO WE WAIT ON THAT AND GO OUT AND COMMUNICATE THIS TO THE COMMUNITY AND THEN COME BACK AND INTERNALIZE OUR RECOMMENDATION AMONG OURSELVES? EACH TOWN EACH COUNTY IS DIFFERENT.

I MEAN THE PART WITH THE GOAL OF THIS I THINK IS EDUCATION FOR THE PUBLIC.

SO THEY UNDERSTAND YOU MIGHT BE ENOUGH OF A STRONG COMMUNITY WHERE YOU UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER AND Y'ALL CAN GET TO A CONSENSUS YOU MIGHT NEED TO HAVE SOME COMMUNITIES MAYBE NOT AS WELL INFORMED AS OTHER. YOU MAY NEED TO MAKE AN EFFORT TO GET OUT AND SHARE THINGS.

SO IT'S WHATEVER WORKS BEST WITH YOUR AREA. THIS I THINK IS IS A GOOD START. YOU'VE GOT IT BROADCAST AND PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THIS HOW YOU SOLICIT INPUT IT'S WHAT WORKS. BILL WELL FOR YOU TO GO THROUGH YOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, DO YOU HAVE ONE? WE WERE IN BEAUFORT COUNTY LAST NIGHT OUR LAST WEEK AND IN BEAUFORT COUNTING WAS TALKING ABOUT HAVING THE COUNTY HEARING THROUGHOUT THE AREA.

HILTON IT'S KIND OF SMALL. I DON'T KNOW IF IF YOU JUST NEED ONE OR YOU NEED TO GO TO BOTH ENDS OF THE ISLAND. IT'S KIND OF WHATEVER SUITS YOUR NEEDS YOU MAY HAVE INPUT JUST LISTED IT ON LAND. YOU COULD ASK PEOPLE TO SPLIT, PROVIDE THEIR OWN MAPS.

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YOU AND YOUR COMMUNITY. >> MY LAST QUESTION IS THIS YOUR OBVIOUSLY AND I SAY THIS RESPECTFULLY VERY FACTOR HAVE BEEN VERY DATED DRIVEN. SO YOU'RE AS OBJECTIVE AS POSSIBLE. THAT SAID IN THE THE LAST CENSUS IT WAS A TROUBLED TIME.

IT CAME TO TWO RESPECTS. ONE, IT WAS CODED AND AND SECONDLY GIVEN WHERE WE ARE WITH IMMIGRATION LAW OR LACK THEREOF, THE ODDS ARE THAT THE SPANISH POPULATION HERE IS

QUITE UNDER REPORTED. >> SO IN A DE FACTO SENSE HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THAT?

>> YOU MADE A POINT THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO START GETTING ALL OF THIS IN ORDER FOR THE TWO THOUSAND THIRTY PERIOD DURING THAT TIME. ODDS ARE THAT ARE OUR FRIENDS IN WASHINGTON WILL COME TO GRIPS WITH AN IMMIGRATION LAW, A LAW THAT PROBABLY RECOGNIZES MANY OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE TODAY. SO IN EFFECT WE COULD BE RIGHT AT THE CUSP OF HAVING A NEW INCREASE IN VOTERS IN THE AREA. PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY HERE BUT NOT COUNTED. HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THAT? THE COURT DECISIONS I HAVE READ THEIR OPINIONS OF WHAT THE ONES THAT I'VE READ RECENTLY. THE MORE RECENT DECISIONS THEY RECOGNIZE THAT REDISTRICTING IS NOT A PERFECT. THE MATH IS NOT PERFECT.

THE DATE IS NOT ALWAYS PERFECT. THEY APPRECIATE OR KNOWING THAT EVERY 10 YEARS YOU MAKE AN EFFORT. THEY REALIZE THE DATA CAN BE BAD.

IT IS THE DATA WE'RE DEALT WITH THOUGH IT IS THE STANDARD THAT EVERYBODY USES.

EVERYBODY IS GOING TO USE THE CENSUS DATA AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF COMMUNITIES EXPRESSING YOUR SAME CONCERN THAT CERTAIN AREAS ARE UNDERCOUNTED. BUT THE GOAL IS TO TRY TO CATCH UP WHERE WE ARE GOING FORWARD. I GET A SIMILAR QUESTION FROM COUNCILS ABOUT WELL WE'VE GOT HUGE DEVELOPMENTS GOING. WE KNOW THIS DISTRICT'S GOT A NEW DEVELOPMENT GOING TO HAVE TWO THOUSAND NEW UNITS HERE. HOW DO YOU TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT? AND I GOT TO SAY WELL, YOU DON'T KNOW. YOU DON'T HAVE PERFECT.

YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO TAKE BY THE LAW OR YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.

YOU MAY KNOW SOME OF THE FACTORS THAT ARE GOING ON BUT YOU DON'T HAVE PERFECT INFORMATION ABOUT THE WHOLE ONLY THERE. AGAIN, THE COURTS HAVE JUST REALIZED YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE INFORMATION YOU'RE GIVING. YOU MAKE THAT BEST EFFORT TO CATCH. I HAVE NOT SEEN A COURT WANT TO SECOND GUESS A DECISION ON HOLD ACCOUNTABLE. I DON'T SEE A LOT OF COURTS WANTING TO GET INVOLVED IN THIS. THEY TRUST THE COUNTS. WELL, I THINK THAT YOUR DELIBERATIONS. IF YOU TALK ABOUT THAT, THAT MAY BE A REASON YOU LOOK DEVIATION A LITTLE BIT. IS THAT A REASON THERE? BECAUSE IF YOU THINK THERE'S AN UNDERCOUNT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, MAYBE IF YOU THINK THERE'S AN UNDERCOUNT, MAYBE YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT LOWER DEVIATION IN THAT AREA BECAUSE YOU THINK THERE MAY BE MORE VOTERS. SO THAT'S JUST PART OF THE BALANCING THERE.

YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE FACTS LIKE YOU SAY WE'RE FACT DRIVEN TO MAKE ASSUMPTIONS GOING FORWARD. I'LL JUST BE CAREFUL ON HOW MUCH YOU RELY ON THOSE ASSUMPTIONS WITHOUT ACCURATE DATA GOING FORWARD. THANK YOU.

>> SURE. I'M HAPPY TO KIND OF FOLLOW UP ON COUNCILMAN HARKIN'S COMMENTS WHICH STAFF IS OUT OF LINE KIND OF PROPOSED NEXT STEPS FORWARD .

SO WITH YOUR INDULGENCE I JUST KIND OF GO OVER THOSE REAL QUICK AND LAY OUT WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND IN TERMS MOVING THIS ISSUE FORWARD. AND ESSENTIALLY WE'VE DEVELOPED EIGHT STEPS. THE FIRST WOULD BE NOW THAT WE RECEIVE SOME BENCHMARK DATA.

THE GOAL WOULD BE TO CONTINUE TO GET THAT INFORMATION OUT TO THE PUBLIC LIVELY CONDUCT SOME OTHER KIND OF PUBLIC ENGAGE SESSION OR MEETING SO THAT WE CAN AND AGAIN REVIEW THAT DATA WITH THE PUBLIC AND SOLICIT DIRECT QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THEM ON THAT DATA.

STEP TWO WOULD BE HAVING TOWN COUNCIL ADOPT A FORMAL RESOLUTION OUTLINING THEIR REDISTRICTING PRINCIPLES. THE MAJORITY THAT WOULD CONSIST OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLES THAT FRANK OUTLINED IN HIS PRESENTATION ALONG WITH AN IDENTIFICATION OF YOUR TARGET DEVIATION AND YOUR IDENTIFICATION OF COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST THAT YOU'RE

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CHALLENGED. >> BUT AGAIN TO USE THAT AS A BASELINE SOURCE OF REFERENCE STAFF WOULD THEN WORK INDIVIDUALLY WITH MEMBERS OF COUNCIL TO DEVELOP ALTERNATIVES. WE WOULD THEN ENGAGE IN A SECOND SERIES OF PUBLIC EDUCATION EFFORTS TO PRESENT ALL OF THE ALTERNATIVES THAT MAY HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED AT THAT POINT AS WELL AS SOLICITING ADDITIONAL COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC ON THE MAPS OR ANY CHANGES THAT MAY NEED TO BE MADE TO THOSE MAPS THEN WE WOULD TAKE ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE GATHERED THROUGH THOSE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT SESSIONS, BRING IT BACK TO THE FINANCE AND ADMINISTRATION COMMITTEE FOR DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF SELECTING A PREFERRED OPTION AND THEN WORKING THROUGH THE COMMITTEE PROCESS TO BRING FORWARD TO COUNCIL A RECOMMENDATION OF THE COMMITTEE ON A PREFERRED OPTION FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER FOR

ADOPTION. >> THANK YOU MISS BECKER. >> THANK YOU MA'AM.

>> AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. I AM TAKING NOTES BECAUSE THIS IS MY FIRST EXPOSURE TO THIS AND I AM LEARNING AS WE GO ALONG.

THIS HAS BEEN TREMENDOUSLY HELPFUL TO ME AND AS I HAVE QUESTIONS I WILL CERTAINLY ASK THEM MOVING ALONG. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU.

JUST FOR LUNCH. THANK YOU, JOHN. THANK YOU FRANK FOR THE VERY EFFECTIVE PRESENTATION. I'M INTERESTED IN PAGE 1 OF THE APPENDIX WHICH FOLLOWS THE 6

PAGES YOU DESCRIBE. >> ALTHOUGH THERE IS A MODEST INCREASE NOW OVER THE 10 YEARS

TOTAL POPULATION. >> IT'S INTERESTING TO NOTE THE ELEMENTS THAT MAKE UP THAT MODEST INCREASE THREE ARE ACTUALLY DECLINING. THE WHITE POPULATION, BLACK POPULATION AND HISPANIC POPULATIONS ARE ACTUALLY IN MODEST DECLINE.

OTHER AND MULTI RACE ARE REALLY DRIVING THE INCREASE FRANKLY. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU TYPICALLY SEE OR ARE WE UNIQUE? WE'RE SEEING MORE OF THIS STATE WIDE.

>> THERE'S BEEN AN INCREASE IN THE MULTI RACE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A TRUE POPULATION CHANGE OR DID PEOPLE CLASSIFY THEMSELVES DIFFERENTLY THIS TIME IN THE CENSUS.

GIVEN ALL YOU KNOW, ALL THE SOCIAL ISSUES GOING ON. BUT WE HAVE BEEN NOTICING JUST STATEWIDE THAT MULTI RACE CATEGORY HAS INCREASED AND IT'S THE FASTEST GROWING.

BUT WHETHER THAT'S A NEW POPULATION OR JUST A RECLASSIFICATION FROM 2010, WE

DON'T HAVE THE DATA TO TO DEFINITELY SAY THAT. >> DO YOU THINK THAT A MUNICIPALITY SHOULD CONSIDER TRENDS IN ITS REDISTRICTING? I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE

FACTORS. >> YES, I MEAN AGAIN, IT'S A FACTOR TO BE CONSIDERED LIKE THAT LIKE I SAY, YOU GOT TO BE CAREFUL USING AGAIN STATES TAKING TO THE CORE PRINCIPLES IS THE SAFEST THING YOU CAN TAKE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT FOR TRENDS.

BUT I WOULDN'T LET IT OUT WEIGH SOME OTHER MORE ESTABLISHED FACTORS THAT SPEAK.

>> OK, GOOD. THANK YOU, FRANK. I APPRECIATE IT.

I'M SURE LIKE TAMMY, THERE'LL BE MORE QUESTIONS TO FOLLOW. MR. SANFORD.

YES, THANK YOU. KRISTA, COULD YOU BRING UP THAT CHART THAT SHOWS THE VARIOUS

DISTRICTS AND THE BREAKDOWN IN PERCENTAGES MINE AND IT'S. >> THANK YOU.

I WANT TO ECHO I WOULD ECHO WHAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID, FRANK.

THIS IS REALLY EDUCATIONAL TO US. I HAVE NEVER BEEN THROUGH THIS EXERCISE BEFORE EITHER. AND I THINK YOUR EXPERTISE IS GOING TO BE TRULY VITAL TO US.

A FEW MINUTES AGO YOU WERE ABLE TO LOOK AT THIS CHART AND DETERMINE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT NEED TO BE MOVED AROUND. HOW DOES ONE. I DON'T SEE THAT IN THIS CHART

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THERE IT IS. SO YOUR IDEAL POPULATION IF YOU TAKE YOUR YOUR NEW CENSUS KENNEL AND DIVIDE IT BY YOUR NUMBER OF DISTRICTS, YOUR YOUR IDEAL IS THAT GOAL THERE ARE SIX THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY SEVEN AND THEN WE'RE SHOWING YOU THE ACTUAL CENSUS CAME OUT THERE. WE HAVE TO GET YOU DISTRICT 1 NEEDS TO GIVE UP 316 PEOPLE.

WE DON'T HAVE A MAP FOR YOU YET. WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO GIVE UP THOSE 316 PEOPLE? DO YOU JUST SHIFT THE LAND WHEREVER THE MAP IS ON DISTRICT 1? DO YOU JUST SHIFT THE LAND OVER A LITTLE BIT? DO YOU SHIFT THE TOP HALF OF THE LAND THE BOTTOM HALF OF THE LAND? IT'S PART OF THAT CONSIDERATION AND THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE TO REALLY UNDERSTAND IS YOU'RE HAVING TO MOVE DISTRICT PEOPLE OUT OF THAT DISTRICT. HOW DO YOU PRESERVE THE CORE OF DISTRICT 1? WHERE DOES IT MAKE MORE SENSE TO MOVE TO TAKE PEOPLE OUT OF DISTRICT 1 AND MOVE THEM IN THERE? NOW WE HAVE A MAP IN HERE SHOWING WORTH DISTRICTS 4 AND 5 OR THERE AT THE BOTTOM. IF I'M LOOKING AT THE MAP YOU HAVE DISTRICTS FOUR AND FIVE HAVE TO PICK UP PEOPLE WILL NATURALLY IT MAKES SENSE TO MOVE THOSE FROM THE ADJOINING DISTRICTS. SO HOW DO YOU DO THAT LIKE DISTRICT 3S IN THE MIDDLE THERE LOOKS LIKE BETWEEN 3 AND 4. HOW DO YOU HOW DO YOU START MOVING THOSE BLOCKS AROUND? SO SOMEWHAT OF A DOMINO EFFECT. WHAT YOU MAKE WOULD CHANGE.

HOW DO YOU AFFECT THE OTHER? IN LOOKING AT THIS I THINK THE KEY IT'S EASY TO START WHICH DISTRICTS HAVE TO GIVE UP WHERE THOSE POPULATIONS LIKE FOR EXAMPLE ON THE HEEL THERE

OF THE BOOT. >> IT BE HARD TO MOVE THAT HEEL BY ITSELF BECAUSE IT'S SO SITUATED WITHIN THE MIDDLE OF ANOTHER DISTRICT. BUT AGAIN WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THESE FACTORS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BLOCK TO SEE WHERE THE POPULATION IS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR COMMUNITIES YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT MAKES SENSE, WHAT PART OF THESE DISTRICTS NEED TO BE MOVED. THAT'S THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE CALLING I THINK IS YOU OR YOUR COLLEAGUES REQUESTED ABOUT BLOCK LEVEL DETAIL ABOUT WELL, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ALONG THIS EDGE OR WHERE IS THE BULK OF THE BIGGEST WERE THE BIGGEST BLOCKS WHERE THE BULK POPULATION. SO THAT'S WHERE IT REALLY JUST TAKES SOME TIME AND ANALYSIS FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT REALIGNING THESE DISTRICTS AGAIN.

WE COULD MAKE THE NUMBERS WORK REAL EASY BUT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOUR COMMUNITY TO TRY TO STAY INTACT AS YOU DEFINED THAT COMMUNITY. THAT'S VERY USEFUL.

AND IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, YOU'RE GONNA PROVIDE US WITH SOME INITIAL GUIDANCE ABOUT THAT IS MAPS THAT SHOW CENSUS BLOCKS AND WHERE YOU MIGHT SUGGEST THAT WE WOULD MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO GET IT PROPERLY BALANCED. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. SO THAT WAS A REQUEST WE CAN KNOW WE'RE WORKING TO PROVIDE IT FOR ALL THE COUNTIES HOPE TO HAVE THAT CITY. WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO LOOK BY COUNTY TO SEE THE BLOCKS IN YOUR CASE IN YOUR DISTRICTS AND YOU GOT TO SEE WHERE THE POPULATION IS, HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU KNOW, WHITE, BLACK, HISPANIC OR WHATEVER? BEGAN TO SHOW THAT ON A GRAPH IT GETS A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT BUT WE HOPE WE'LL PROVIDING THAT INFORMATION SO YOU YOU LEARN AND YOU CAN KIND OF CONSIDER CONSIDER ALL THESE FACTORS. SO IT'S JUST IT'S JUST A LABOR INTENSIVE PROCESS.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE. IT MIGHT TAKE US ANOTHER WEEK BUT WE'LL BE THERE.

AND I'M I'M VERY PLEASED THAT WE HAVE SUCH EXPERTISE THERE THAT CAN MOVE THAT PROCESS FORWARD AND MAKE THOSE SUGGESTIONS TO US BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE A VERY COMPLEX PROCESS FRANKLY. MUCH MORE COMPLICATED THAN I EVER THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE. GIVEN THE VERY SMALL CHANGE IN OUR OVERALL POPULATION, WE WILL WORK OUR WAY THROUGH THAT. I GUESS MY FINAL QUESTION IS TIMING ON THIS.

DO WE HAVE A DEADLINE, A LINE IN THE DIRT? WE HAVE TO MEET WHAT IS WE WANT

WITH THIS FILING OPEN FOR YOUR NEXT ELECTION? >> COUNCILMAN SANFORD, TO THAT POINT WE'VE KIND OF ESTABLISHED YOUR RECOMMENDED TIMELINE WORKING BACKWARDS FROM THAT

DATE. >> SO OUR NEXT GENERAL ELECTION IS NOVEMBER OF 2012 TOO.

NOW THE BALLOTS HAVE TO BE FINALIZED BY AUGUST 15TH. THE FILING PERIOD CORRESPONDINGLY CLOSES THE END OF JULY. WE'D LIKE TO GIVE THE COMMUNITY THE PUBLIC AT LEAST SEVERAL MONTHS ADVANCE NOTICE OF KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT THOSE NEW DISTRICTS ARE. SO AGAIN, WORKING BACKWARDS FROM THAT TIMELINE, OUR TARGET

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>> IT'S TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT THE VARIOUS DATES THAT I WAS NOT AWARE OF FOR SURE.

SO I'LL LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING MORE FAMILIAR WITH THIS AND SEEING THESE MAPS THAT BREAK THIS DOWN INTO THOSE CENSUS BLOCKS SO THAT WE CAN SEE WHAT THE PIECES ARE THAT WE HAVE TO MOVE AROUND. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO THE EXERCISE AND I THANK YOU AGAIN FOR SHARING YOUR EXPERTISE. THAT'S. MR. MAYOR.

THANK YOU. GOOGLE THE CITIZENS WE HAVE TODAY.

MR. MAYOR, COULD I ASK ONE OTHER QUICK? SURE.

YEAH, THIS IS TRUE, FRANK. IT'S PROBABLY A SILLY QUESTION BUT YOU KNOW, WE PRIDE OURSELVES WITH THE GOAL OF TRYING TO BE ONE COMMUNITY. AND WHEN WE LOOK HOW WE'RE DIVIDED UP INTO PD, WE'VE INHERENTLY DESIGNED A LITTLE BUCKETS OF ISOLATION.

IF IT WERE THE PLEASURE OF THE COMMUNITY TO GET RID OF ALL THESE DISTRICTS ON THIS SMALL PIECE OF GEOGRAPHY AND JUST TRANSFORM OUR TOWN INTO A AT LARGE COMMUNITY OF WHAT WE WOULD WHAT WOULD YOUR THOUGHTS BE? OH YES.

GIVE ME YES. >> I GET IT. IT'S PROBABLY NOT A VERY SERIOUS DISCUSSION BUT. WELL, THAT'S A PROCESS. I MEAN I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT EXCEPT I KNOW YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A REFERENDUM TO PUT THAT BEFORE THE COMMUNITY OUT THERE.

I WILL SAY I WOULD SAY JUST GENERALLY ANY FORM OF GOVERNMENT HAS ITS STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES. IF YOU LOOK AT STATEWIDE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME COUNTIES THAT ARE STATEWIDE I THINK JASPER COUNTY KERRY STATEWIDE COUNTYWIDE.

I THINK JASPER COUNTY THERE AT LARGE. BUT THEY HAVE RESIDENTS THEY REQUIREMENTS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE TO BE ELECTED FROM A PARTICULAR AREA COUNTY.

BUT EVERYBODY GETS TO VOTE ON IT. SO THERE ARE MULTIPLE WAYS TO DO THIS. AND I THINK IT'S JUST YOU KNOW, IT JUST KIND IS WHATEVER IS BEST FOR YOUR COMMUNITY AND YOUR MAKEUP. WE GOT A LOT OF DIFFERENT FORMS IN SOUTH CAROLINA. AND EACH ONE'S TAILORED TO WHAT MAKES SENSE.

WE'VE GOT SOME COUNTIES THAT HAVE 11 MEMBERS SOME COUNTIES HAVE FIVE MEMBERS IN SO THAT THERE IS NO UNIFORM AND IT'S I THINK IT'S WHATEVER MAKES SENSE FOR YOUR COMMUNITY.

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AT THE END OF THE THREE MINUTES YOU HEAR A BEEP. PLEASE MAINTAIN A SUITABLE THIS MEETING MR. AMERICAN CITIZENS COULD SUBMIT ELECTRONIC COMMENTS ON THE AGENDA ITEM LISTED ON TODAY'S AGENDA BY THE TOWNS UP TOWN HALL PORTAL. THE PORTAL CLOSED THE SECOND SECTOR NO AT 12:00 P.M. AND THE REPORT MISSING YOU IN TOWN COUNCIL SHORTLY THERE AFTER THIS TIME ANTI-SEMITIC COMMENTS PORTALS CITIZENS WERE PROVIDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIGN UP TO CALL IN TO THE MEETING AND ADDRESS COUNCIL DURING THE MEETING.

TODAY WE HAVE TWO CITIZENS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. THE FIRST BEING PATSY BRYSON.

MISS BRYSON? >> YES, MA'AM. CAN YOU HEAR ME?

>> YES, MA'AM. PLEASE PROCEED. THANK YOU.

>> PATSY BRYSON SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE COALITION OF ISLAND NEIGHBORS OR COIN POINT HAS BEEN FOLLOWING SAYING THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS FOR SEVERAL MONTHS INCLUDING LISTENING TO THE PRESENTATION BY THE SOUTH CAROLINA OFFICE TO BEAUFORT COUNTY EARLIER THIS YEAR IS GOING GREATLY RESPECTS THE EX CASE OF THE SOUTH CAROLINA OFFICE OF REVENUE AND FISCAL AFFAIRS AND MOST NOTABLY WE APPRECIATE THE RECOMMENDATION OF NO MORE THAN A 5 PERCENT DEVIATION RATHER THAN 10 PERCENT AS SHOWN IN THE MATERIALS PREVIOUS TO THIS MEETING. NONETHELESS, WE RECOMMEND A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS AND WE HAVE PROVIDED THE TOWN COUNCIL MEMBERS WITH OUR RECOMMENDED PROPOSAL.

THIS PROPOSAL COMES FROM A STUDY AND WORKING WITH OTHER GROUPS WITH HER COALITION IS APPLIED AND LOOKING AT INSURER SHARING PUBLIC INPUT ESPECIALLY SINCE WE ARE GOING TO NEED TO LOOK AT COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST AND CHANGING THE WORD BOUNDARIES AND IT MAY AFFECT ALMOST ALL OF THE AWARDS. ALL OF THE AWARDS BASED UPON THE DATA PRESENTED TODAY WE HAVE A COUPLE OF CONCERNS. ONE IS THIS PRIMARILY STAFF DRIVEN.

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IN ADDITION, THE INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS WITH TOWN COUNCIL MEMBERS IS A PUBLIC CONCERN AS WELL. THE PROCESS SHOULD BE OPEN AND TRANSPARENT.

AS POSSIBLE IN THIS CASE BECAUSE IT INVOLVES VOTING RIGHTS MUST BE ABSOLUTELY PUBLIC AND TRANSPARENT. MY COLLEAGUE RACIST RATING PRINCIPLE TALK A LOT ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT IN THE PREVIOUS CENSUS DATA.

REDISTRICTING EFFORTS. BUT SUFFICE IT TO SAY THERE HAS BEEN MORE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT AND THE EDUCATIONAL PROCESS IS DIFFERENT FROM ACTUALLY HAVING INPUT BY THE PUBLIC.

WE RECOMMENDED A TASK FORCE OF PUBLIC MEMBERS BE ESTABLISHED TO ASSIST THE TOWN COUNCIL WITH A REDISTRICTING PROCESS. WE PROPOSE A TASK FORCE OF SEVEN MEMBERS TO TWO ALTERNATE AND INCLUDE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS, THE NATIVE ISLAND BUSINESS AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS ASSOCIATION PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION AS WE HAVE ACROSS THE ISLAND. THE GREATER ISLAND COUNCIL BLACK TUNICS COMMUNITY. THE HILTON HEAD. BLUFFTON CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND A REPRESENTATIVE FROM COHEN THE COALITION OF ISLAND NEIGHBORS.

WE BELIEVE WE HAVE SET FORTH A PROPOSED TIMELINE. IN ADDITION TO THAT NOT AGAIN AS DESCRIBED AT THIS MEETING WORKING BACKWARDS FROM THE ELECTION NEXT YEAR TO INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING TIME PERIOD SO THAT MAPS CAN BE SET OUT WELL AHEAD OF THE FILING TIME PERIOD AND WE URGE THE ADOPTION OF THE TASK FORCE THAT WE HAVE RECOMMENDED AND THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE RECOMMENDED AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT.

>> SEARCH AND RESCUE CITIZEN IS RECENT. PRINCE MS. PRINCE, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY. I'M ALSO FOLLOWING PERHAPS THESE COMMENTS AND REPRESENTING COIN IN IN A SENSE THE TOWN WAS ESTABLISHED.

REDISTRICTING HAS ALWAYS INCLUDED A PUBLIC ADVISORY GROUP TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO TOWN COUNCIL. I HAVE SPOKEN TO PARTIES SERPENTS IN THOSE GROUPS AND THEY ACKNOWLEDGED HOW IMPORTANT IT WAS TO RECOGNIZE THAT NO ONE KNOWS OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITY OF COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST AS WELL AS THE RESIDENTS DO ESPECIALLY GIVEN CONSTRAINTS WITH OUR UNIQUE PREEXISTING THESE AND HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS.

THE THE CONCEPT OF ACTUALLY SITTING DOWN AND GOING THROUGH THIS ON A CENSUS BLOCK BY CENSUS BLOCK GAMES MOVING ONE FROM WAR A WAR TO A AN ADJOINING WARD IS GOING TO BE TEDIOUS AND THAT'S WHAT THESE THESE ADVISORY GROUP MEMBERS TOLD ME.

MY QUESTION TODAY IS DOES TOWN COUNCIL OR EVEN TOWN STAFF HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO THIS AT A GRAB THAT GRANULAR LEVEL AND WOULDN'T IT BE MORE EFFECTIVE TO TAKE VOLUNTEER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE WILLING TO PUT THE TIME TO COME UP WITH THE INITIAL PROPOSAL TO TAKE BACK TO TOWN COUNCIL? KNOWING THE DEPTH OF ANALYSIS REQUIRED TO MAKE THIS A LEGAL SOUND AND SUPPORTABLE PROCESS THAT'S THE GENESIS OF OUR RECOMMENDED ACTION FROM COIN TO ESTABLISH THE TASK FORCE COMPRISED OF CITIZENS. THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY

TODAY. >> YOU MENTIONED THAT ITS APPEARANCE BY CITIZENS ANYBODY AT LAST QUESTION FOR FRANK ALEX NOT OF COURSE FOR FRANK. I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR MR. ORLANDO IF YOU WAITING. I CAN WAIT. DO YOU WANT TO LET FRANK GO ON

THAT SHOW? WHAT NEXT STEPS OR WHAT ELSE? >> YEAH.

SO IO JOT DOWN WHAT MR. GRUBER WAS DESCRIBING IS THE I GUESS THE EIGHT STEPS THAT THEY

ARE PROPOSING TO US. >> ARE YOU LOOKING FOR US TO GIVE THAT AN APPROVAL?

>> MR. BROWN NOT NOT SO MUCH APPROVAL JUST AS A DE FACTO APPROVAL TODAY.

>> I'M NOT ASKING FOR YOUR VOTE ON THAT PROCESS. WE HAVE SOME WORK TO DO.

I THINK TODAY'S THE FIRST STEP RECEIVING A BENCHMARK REPORT IS AN IMPORTANT FIRST STEP.

JUST TO START GETTING OUR OWN HEADS AROUND THE WORK TO DO. WE CAN'T OVER THE NEXT LITTLE

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MAYOR COUNCIL AND OTHERS EVERY STEP ALONG THE WAY WILL BE A PUBLIC STEP BY LET ME LET ME THINK ABOUT THE PROCESS OR I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH WHAT JOSH IS SAYING.

I DON'T KNOW THINGS ARE BEING TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT TO THINK THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING THIS WORK IN-HOUSE. I'M JUST MAKING A REPRESENTATION OR RECOMMENDATION RIGHT THAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PUBLIC EDUCATION I DO UNDERSTAND IS DIFFERENT THAN PUBLIC INPUT. SO BEAR WITH US AS WE LAUNCH TODAY'S KICKOFF MEETING.

I'M GLAD YOU MADE IT AT THAT DISTINCTION AT THE END. MR. LANDO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RECOMMEND RECOMMENDATIONS AND EDUCATION. I FOR ONE HAVE LEARNED A HECK OF A LOT TODAY JUST BY LISTENING. OKAY.

AND THE FACT IT IS GOING TO BE A VERY TEDIOUS PROCESS AND ALL ALTHOUGH I'D LIKE TO CLAIM MYSELF AS A AS AS AN ON THE GROUND EXPERT WHEN IT COMES TO WE ANSWER RACE GROUPS, ETHNIC GROUPS PD AND THAT SORT OF THING. AND YOU KNOW, WITH A WITH A STREET SEPARATE OUT CURRENT LINES, THE FACT THAT WE DO HAVE TO DO SO MUCH SHIFTING EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE A BIG SHIFT IN OVERALL POPULATION, I THINK SOME QUOTE UNQUOTE LOCAL EXPERTS WILL DEFINITELY HELP US THROUGH THIS PROCESS WHERE THEY HAVE THE CHANCE TO BECOME INTIMATELY INVOLVED BECAUSE NO ONE KNOWS A PROPERTY ASSOCIATION BETTER THAN A MEMBER. OK, AND I THINK WE'VE GOT A TECHNICAL PIECE THAT THE FISCAL AFFAIRS COMMITTEE CAN HELP US WITH. WE'VE GOT INTERNALLY WITH OUR STAFFS G.I. S CAPABILITIES, THAT SORT OF THING. BUT BOOTS ON THE GROUND I THINK IS GOING TO WHAT WAS GOING TO GET US TO A PLACE WHERE WE ARE GOING TO BE ABSOLUTELY COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE'RE PUTTING FORWARD AND OF COURSE MAKING SURE THAT IT'S GOING TO HOLD UP THE TEST OF THE COURT SO THAT THOSE ARE JUST MY THOUGHTS ON IT.

THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR FRANK? YEAH, I DO HAVE ONE JUST BY WAY OF INFORMATION, FRANK. WHAT WAS HELMETS? POPULATION 10 YEARS AGO? I'M NOT SURE I HAVE IT HERE. ALL RIGHT.

IT'S ON THAT GRAPH. I THINK I DON'T HAVE IT TOTALED FOR YOU.

>> I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT I KNOW THAT THAT'S ALL RIGHT. I THOUGHT IF YOU HAD IT HANDY THAT ME GET IT AND THEN MAYOR MARK, WHEN CAN WE ON COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC EXPECT TO SEE CENSUS BLOCK DATA MAPS CURRENT DISTRICTS WARD LINES AND SO ON JUST AS BASE INFORMATION FOR

THE FOURTH WEEK IN DECEMBER. >> DAVID PLOUFFE PUT THE INFORMATION OUT.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY YEAH. I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK.

I WAS LOOKING FOR AND I MAY NOT BE FINDING IT OR I MAY NOT HAVE IT.

THE PRESENTATION TODAY THAT THAT WAS GIVEN. THANKS.

PRESENTATION. DO WE HAVE A COPY OF THAT? IS IT IN AN E-MAIL?

I'M JUST NOT FINDING IT. >> YOU DO WHEN I KNOW FRANK AND HIS TEAM ARE WORKING HARD FOR US. WE RECEIVED IT RIGHT BEFORE OUR MEETING TODAY AS THE MEETING OFF OF THE CORNER OF HER EYE CHRISTA WAS EMAILING THAT TO YOU.

>> THANK YOU. I EMAILED SY SAYING WHERE IS IT? THANK YOU ALL. I APPRECIATE THAT IN THEIR MEETING AND YOU CHECKED YOUR EMAILS. IT SHOULD BE IN THERE. PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF IT'S ENGAGING. GAVE IT THE 10 YEAR AGO NUMBER WAS THIRTY SEVEN.

OH NINETY NINE. >> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR FRANK? I'M WITH YOU ON THE POLICY SHEET FOR FRANK.

I HAVE A QUOTE I HAVE A CLOSING REQUEST. YES, SIR.

YES. I JUST WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU I WILL BE IN HILTON HEAD NEXT WEEK. MY DAUGHTER IS GETTING MARRIED DOWN THERE AND I'D JUST LIKE TO

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DON FRANK DON GOING TO HELP HEAD. >> I THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR COMING TO A GREAT PRESENTATION AND A MOTION TO JOIN SO WE GET IT RIGHT AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH, KEITH

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