Nov 01, 2021 Town of Bluffton Planning Commission

[I. CALL TO ORDER]

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. I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THIS MONDAY NIGHT NOVEMBER THE 1ST PLANNING COMMISSION. OBVIOUSLY WE DID NOT HAVE IT LAST WEDNESDAY THE TWENTY SEVENTH DUE TO A POWER OUTAGE AT THE TOWN. SO WE ARE RECONVENING TONIGHT.

DARBY, MAY WE HAVE A ROLE COFFEE'S WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME PLEASE STATE HERE AT PRESENT

FOR THE RECORD. >> AMANDA JACKSON, DENMARK HERE EARLY WETMORE HERE.

KATHLEEN DUNCAN HERE. >> JASON STEWART MATT YOST. RON WILLIAMS, THANK YOU.

>> I NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT. >> THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL NOT HEAR NEW ITEMS AFTER 930 UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY A MAJORITY VOTE.

THE COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT ITEMS WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD BEFORE 930 MAY BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OR SPECIAL MEETING DATE AS DETERMINED B COMMISSION MEMBERS. NOTICE REGARDING PUBLIC COMMENTS EVERY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO IS RECOGNIZED TO SPEAK SHALL ADDRESS THE CHAIRMAN.

AND IN SPEAKING AVOID DISRESPECT TO THE COMMISSION STAFF OR OTHER MEMBERS OF THE MEETING. YOU WILL NEED TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND WHEN SPEAKING FOR THE RECORD COMMENTS ARE LIMITED THREE MINUTES AND PLEASE EVERYONE.

THERE IS A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENTS TONIGHT. IF THERE'S A COMMENT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID, IF YOU COULD JUST SAY THAT YOU KNOW I AGREE WITH THAT PERSON YAY OR NAY AND MOVE ON BECAUSE WE WE HAVE A VERY, VERY LONG AGENDA TONIGHT AND THAT MAY HAVE AN ADOPTION

[V. ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA]

[VI. ADOPTION OF MINUTES 1. September 22, 2021]

SUBMITTED ON FAVOR OR I'M SORRY. >> SECOND I HAVE A SECOND.

SECOND ALL IN FAVOR. >> I THINK YOU HAVE A QUESTION. WERE YOU.

WERE YOU AT THE AUGUST 25TH MEETING? >> THIS IS THE AUGUST MISS SEPTEMBER SEPTEMBER RIGHT. BUT WE MOTIONED TO ADOPT THE MINUTES AND IT SAID UNANIMOUS APPROVAL. HE WAS. IT WAS ADOPTION OF THE AUGUST 25TH MINUTES MOTION TO APPROVE AND I EVERYBODY WAS AN ANSWER. A UNANIMOUS APPROVAL.

BUT I BELIEVE YOU RECUSED YOURSELF BECAUSE YOU WERE ABSENT FROM THE PREVIOUS

MEETING TO ADD RECUSE. >> YES. SO THEN I NEED TO AGAIN.

SO MADAM CHAIR, WE CAN GET THAT STAFF CAN GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF AND ADD THAT NOTATION TO THE MINUTES BUT YOU ALL CAN STILL APPROVE THEM. NICE MEETING THEN.

>> CAN I GET ON FAVRE? >> ALL RIGHT. >> PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE COMMENTS PERTAINING TO THE AGENDA ITEM OR THE COMMISSION THIS EVENING, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT BEFORE WE VOTE ON THE ITEM.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME TO HOLD YOUR COMMENTS OR VOICE YOUR COMMENT AT THIS TIME.

IF IT'S ANY AGENDA, ANY ITEM THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA OR YOU CAN WAIT UNTIL YOUR ITEM APPEARS ON THE AGENDA, IS THERE ANYONE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK REGARDING IN IT AN ITEM NOT ON

THE AGENDA? >> THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO OLD BUSINESS IS THE PALMETTO BLUFF

[VIII.1. Palmetto Bluff (Development Agreement Amendment – PUBLIC HEARING): A request by Palmetto Bluff Development, LLC for a Fifth Amendment to the Palmetto Bluff Development Agreement to provide for dockside fueling and a second dry stack boat storage at the Big House Tract’s Anson Marina (DAA-03-21-015139) (Staff – Kevin Icard)]

DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AMENDMENT. >> PUBLIC HEARING A REQUEST FOR A FIFTH MOVEMENT TO THE PALMETTO BLUFF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO PROVIDE DOCKSIDE FUELING AND SECOND DRY STOCK STACK. BOAT STORAGE AT BIG HOUSE TRACKS AND ANSON MARINA. FIRST WE'RE GONNA HAVE STAFF DO THEIR REPORT AND THEN LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK AND THEN AFTER THAT WE WILL EITHER HAVE THE COMMISSION RECORDING IN

PROGRESS, ASK THEM QUESTIONS OR GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> SO WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S HEARD TONIGHT. SO KEVIN , IF YOU WILL PROCEED PLEASE.

I NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF. >> I NEVER WANTED TO THANK HAS RECUSED MADAM CHAIRMAN, IF

YOU'D JUST GIVE ME A MOMENT. >> HERE WE HAVE SOME THE APPLICANTS FOR FOR THIS ITEM ON ZOOM. SO JUST GIVE US A SECOND. WE'LL GET THEM ZOOMED IN HERE.

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WHO CAN GET UP AND DO A PRESENTATION AS WELL. >> SO THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN AGAIN, WE ARE HERE FOR THE REQUEST BY OPPONENTS BLUFF LLC FOR THE FIFTH AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO PROVIDE DOCKSIDE FUELING SECOND DRY STACK STORAGE AT THE BIG HOUSE DANCE AND TRACK AS WELL AS THE SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE CONCEPT PLAN TO PROVIDE THE DOCKSIDE FUELING AND SECOND DRY STACK STORAGE TO THE BIG HOUSE TRANSFER BIG HOUSE TRACTS ANSON MARINA AT THE AUGUST 25TH PLANNING COMMISSION THE COMMISSION AS YOU HEARD THE REQUEST VARIOUS AMENDMENTS TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THE CONCEPT PLAN.

>> THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTS REFERRING TO CLARIFYING THE NUMBER AND LOCATION OF WATER ACCESS POINTS. THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION AS TO WHAT THE INITIAL REQUEST WAS AND YOU HAD A COUPLE OF OF OF QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS.

I'M GONNA GO OVER THOSE HERE IN JUST A SECOND. BUT ON SEPTEMBER 27 THE APPLICANT ACTUALLY REVISED THEIR APPLICATION AS WELL AS THEIR NARRATIVE TO REFLECT THE THE THEIR CURRENT REQUEST AND THAT IS TO ONLY MAKE CHANGES TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THE CONCEPT PLAN TEXT TO ALLOW FOR THE DOCKSIDE FUELING AND THEN THE SECOND DRY STACK STORAGE AT BIG HOUSE. JUST KIND OF GOING BACK SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE PREVIOUSLY PREVIOUSLY HAD. AS YOU SAID THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE ALL THE PREVIOUS AMENDMENTS TIMEFRAMES FOR PALMETTO BLUFF AS IT RELATES TO THE LOCATION AND RELOCATION OF ALL DOCKS PIERS, DRY STORAGE BOATS, RAMPS ET CETERA. SO WE DID PROVIDE A COPY OF THAT IN YOUR PACKET. IN ESSENCE IT'S A MOOT POINT SINCE THE APPLICANT HAS REVISED THEIR THEIR REQUEST FOR THE TEXT ONLY. SO AS PREVIOUSLY SHOWN THEY WERE REQUESTING SOME ADDITIONAL DOCKS. THERE WAS CLARIFICATION OF DOCKS ALL THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THE REQUEST. SO IT'S THE NEW REQUEST DOES NOT CHANGE THE NUMBER OF DOCKS PIERS BOAT RAMPS FROM THE APPROVED CONCEPT PLAN.

YOU ALSO WANTED TO SEE THE HIERARCHY OF CODES AS IT RELATES TO PALMETTO BLUFF DEALING WITH FUEL COMPONENTS AND CONFLICTS WITH GENERAL CODES.

SO HOPEFULLY THIS KIND OF HELPS TO TO EXPLAIN THE HIERARCHY WE HAVE.

SO AT THE VERY BOTTOM WHICH IS THE DSA OR THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ORDINANCE IN ESSENCE IT'S THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT'S IN PLACE FOR PALMETTO BLUFF.

SO THAT'S THE LOWEST LEVEL OF RESTRICTIONS AS YOU MOVE UP. WE HAVE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE GSO. SO FROM A HIERARCHY STANDPOINT YOU'RE STACKING ON TOP OF THAT NEXT IS WE HAVE THE CONCEPT PLAN AND THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING THE CHANGES FOR PARAGRAPH 1 G C SECTION 1 G PARAGRAPH 9 AND THEN SECTION 2B OR B FOR TO ALLOW DRY STACK STORAGE AND DOCKSIDE FEELING AND THEN ABOVE THAT IS THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

IT'S FROM A HIERARCHY STANDPOINT IS THE HIGHEST DOCUMENT THAT THAT ALLOWS FOR THE REGULATIONS. AND AGAIN IT'S CONSISTENT LANGUAGE AND CHANGING IN ARTICLE 10 NEXT YOU HAD QUESTIONS IS THERE NO EQUIVALENT TO A TRAFFIC STUDY

FOR DOCS? >> SO THERE'S NO THERE'S NO EQUIVALENT FOR A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS ON THE WATER. HOWEVER, MARINAS THEY CAN'T ESTIMATE THE AMOUNT OF ACTIVITY BASED ON THE SIZE OF FUEL STORAGE NUMBER SLIPS AND ANTICIPATED USAGE FOR THE SITE . AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, I WOULD ACTUALLY LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK ON THAT. YOU WANTED MORE INFORMATION ON DOCKSIDE FEELING AND HOW IT OPERATES. SO AFTER DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT ENGINEER SITE WOULD OPERATE LIKE ANY OTHER MARINA WHERE YOU HAVE DOCKSIDE FEELING THE GAS LINES WOULD BE LOCATED UNDER THE DOCK IN A DOUBLE LINE HOSE AND CONNECTS WITH THE TOPSIDE GAS DISPENSERS.

ALL OF THAT IS REGULATED BY THERE'S CONCERNS OVER TRAFFIC POLLUTION NOISE AS IT RELATES

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TO THE NEW MARINA AN ADDITIONAL DOCKS. >> WELL AGAIN THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL DOCKS. THE SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR PALMETTO BLUFF WHICH WAS APPROVED IN 2005 WHICH IS 16 YEARS AGO WHICH ALLOWS FOR THE MARINA TO BE CONSTRUCTED AND THEN RESTRICTED TO NOT TO EXCEED 10 PERCENT OF THE TOTAL CUMULATIVE NUMBER OF APPROVED DEVELOPMENT UNITS IN PALMETTO BLUFF WHICH IS FOUR THOUSAND AND IN THE FIRST PHASE OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT SHALL NOT EXCEED 50 SLIPS.

IN ADDITION TO THE AREA UTILIZED BY TRANSIENT KAYAKS AND VESSELS SO THE MARINA PERMIT THAT THEY HAVE DOES SHOW FOR THOSE 50 SLIPS AND THEN A AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL SLIPS OF I BELIEVE IT'S UP TO ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY THERE IS CONCERNS ABOUT THE LEGALIZED COMPONENT OF HAVING DOCKSIDE FUELING AGAIN THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE REQUIRED TO MEET ALL

OF THE DECK REQUIREMENTS. >> AS WELL AS BEING PART OF THE SOUTH CAROLINA CLEAN MARINA PROGRAM CERTIFICATION YOU ASKED TO SIMPLIFY THIS TO A POST AT LEVEL INFORMATION TAKE OUT EXCESS OF LANGUAGE AGAIN THAT'S WHERE THAT AMENDED APPLICATION AND NARRATIVE IS REMOVED ALL THE ITEMS RELATED TO DESCRIBING THE TYPES OF DOCKS TYPES APPEARS THE NEW REQUEST IS CLEAR IT'S JUST THE DOCK SIDE FEELING DRY STACK STORAGE AND SOME MARINA YOU WANT TO BE

CLEAR THE NUMBER OF SLIPS AND HOW THEY'RE CALCULATED. >> AGAIN THAT'S IN THAT SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WHERE THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO CONSTRUCT OF THE FIRST BASE WHICH IS THE 50 SLIPS AND THEN AND THEN THEIR PERMIT CURRENTLY HAS THE 170 IF THEY WENT UP TO A TOTAL OF FOUR HUNDRED OBVIOUSLY THEY WOULD NEED TO GET AN UPDATED OR NEW PERMIT THROUGH HAVING MISLED INTO THAT THEY HAVE A DEFECT PERMIT FOR 176 RIGHT NOW IS THAT I BELIEVE THAT'S THE NUMBER IT'S IT'S IT'S I BELIEVE IT'S 170 176.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. THAT'S ALREADY APPROVED ALREADY APPROVED.

>> AND THEN YOU ASKED FOR A COPY OF THE MARINA PERMIT WHICH WAS PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKET AS

WELL. >> SO THE REVISIONS TRIED TO AGAIN MAKE THIS AS CLEAR AS POSSIBLE. SO THIS IS THE SECTION SECTION TEN SEVEN C AND THE EXISTING TEXT TO BE REMOVED IN RED AND THEN THE TEXT THAT'S GOING TO BE ADDED IS IN BLUE SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT SAYS DRY STACK FACILITIES SHALL BE PERMITTED AT ONLY 2 OF THE ACCESSES AND THEN FUELING FACILITIES SHALL BE ALLOWED AT THE ACCESSES. BUT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF BIG HOUSE ACCESS POINT THERE SHALL BE NO DISPENSING FUEL EITHER AT DOCKS OR WITHIN THE BUFFERS OR SETBACKS AREAS AND THEN THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE WHICH IS CONSISTENT IS WITH THE EXCEPTION BIG HOUSE WATER ACCESS POINT FOR THE FUELING FACILITIES AS WELL AS THE DOCKSIDE FUELING THE EXISTING UNDER THE THE CONCEPT PLAN SECTION TO BE FOR BEEF FOR AGAIN WITH DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THE REVIEW CRITERIA THAT ARE IN PLACE WE HAVE ALL

OF THEM LISTED HERE. >> I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THEM INDIVIDUALLY IF YOU SO CHOOSE FROM A REVIEW PROCESS AND NEXT STEP STANDPOINT AGAIN THIS IS A LITTLE DATED IT STILL SHOWS OCTOBER 7. TWENTY SEVENTH IT IS OBVIOUSLY NOVEMBER 1ST.

THIS WILL BE FORWARDED TO PLANNING IT SEES ME TOWN COUNCIL THERE NOVEMBER 9TH MEETING AND THEN A SECOND PUBLIC HEARING AND FINAL READING WOULD BE AT THEIR

DECEMBER 14TH MEETING. >> SO AGAIN PLANNING COMMISSION ACTIONS ARE TO TO REVIEW THE REQUEST AND THEN HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND FORWARD YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO TOWN COUNCIL

THIS EVENING. >> YOUR ACTIONS ARE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION, RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH ANY POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS OR RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE

APPLICATION. >> I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

THE APPLICANT IS BOTH ON ZOOM AS WELL AS IN THE AUDIENCE AND I BELIEVE THEY'RE GOING TO COME UP AND PRESENT SOME INFORMATION AS WELL. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME RELATED TO THE TEXT BUT IF THERE'S QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT I'D FEEL IT'S MORE

APPROPRIATE THAT THEY WOULD ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU.

MICHAEL, DO YOU WANT TO PRESENT ANYTHING OR GIVE ME ONE SECOND PLEASE MAP.

>> NO, YOU GOTTA LET ME GIVE IT AS AN ANSWER. AH, GOOD EVENING.

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>> MY NAME IS MIKE HUGHES WITH THOMPSON HUTTON HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT AS KEVIN SAID, WE HAVE WHITTLED IT DOWN TO TWO ITEMS. RIGHT.

TO BE CLEAR. SO WE ARE LOOKING FOR DOCKSIDE FEELING AND WE ARE LOOKING FOR A SECOND STACK SO WE CAN START WITH THE DRY STACK. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IF YOU CONCERNS THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED OVERNIGHT THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR YEARS. IT'S ALSO THE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED IN MARCH. THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS IT WAS AN OWNERSHIP TRANSITION THAT THEY WERE PUSHING TO DO THINGS THAT WE HADN'T BEEN DOING PREVIOUSLY AND THAT'S NOT TRUE FOR DRY STACK SPECIFICALLY. IT IS ACTUALLY THE PREFERRED METHOD FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT TO USE DRY STACK STORAGE AS OPPOSED TO WHAT SLIPS.

SO WE IMPLEMENT DRY STACK AS AN ADDITIONAL USE AS OPPOSED TO JUST DOING ALL WET SLIPS AS IT IS THE PREFERRED METHOD. IN FACT IF YOU GO TO CRM DRY STACK STORAGE TYPES BASED ON THEIR REGULATION 30 DASH TWELVE DRY STACK STORAGE IN MARINE IS A PREFERRED WHETHER FEASIBLE AN APPLICANT FOR A MARINE A PERMIT WILL BE REQUIRED TO SHOW WHY A DRY STACK FACILITY IS INFEASIBLE IN WHOLE OR IN PART SO IT'S ACTUALLY THE PREFERRED METHOD AND IT'S BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE SHADING YOU HAVE LESS LIKELIHOOD FOR SPILLS YOU DON'T HAVE A. FOULING PAINT.

SO FROM THE STANDPOINT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PERSPECTIVE DRY SEX STORAGE IS A GOOD USE

AS OPPOSED TO ALL WET SLIPS FOR THE ENTIRE THE 400 UNITS. >> WE DO HAVE ENTITLEMENTS FOR BASED ON THE 10 PERCENT OF THE TOTAL ENTITLEMENTS OF 4000 DWELLING UNITS SO THAT'S DRY STACK. THE OTHER THING WE HEARD ON PUBLIC COMMENT LAST TIME WAS CONCERNS OVER VISIBILITY. WE'VE GOT AN AERIAL MAP UP AND I KNOW IT'S KIND OF SMALL RELATIVE TO WHERE YOU'RE SITTING BUT THOSE ARE ONE MILE INCREMENTS.

RIGHT. WE HAVE PUSHED THIS DOWN TO THE SOUTH PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.

IT IS ON THE NEW RIVER AND THE RIVER HAS A TOTAL OF THREE WATER ACCESS POINTS WITHIN THE ENTIRE STRETCH OF PALMETTO BLUFF WHICH GOES UP APPROXIMATELY 14 MILES UP THE NEW RIVER, A CRITICAL LINE. SO IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC, IN TERMS OF VISIBILITY, THIS IS NOT SOMEPLACE THAT'S GOING TO BE A TRUE TO A BUNCH OF RESIDENTS.

THIS IS DELIBERATE. AGAIN, NEW RIVER ARE THE MAIN RIVER IS AN OUTSTANDING RESOURCE WATER. WE'VE PUSHED DEVELOPMENT AWAY FROM THE NEW RIVER OR FROM THE FROM THE RIVER BECAUSE OF THE QUALITY OF THE YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT OYSTER BEDS THAT ARE CLOSER

TO THAT LOCATION. >> SO AGAIN, DRY STACK IS CONSIDERED TO BE A BETTER ALTERNATIVE. DRY STACK AND UPLANDS WILL BE ENCOURAGED IN PREFERENCE TO MOORING IN CROWDED AREAS AS WELL AS ANOTHER REGULATION OR REFERENCE TO THE REGULATION.

I'M CONFUSED. ARE YOU OFFERING TO GIVE UP WHAT SLIPS IN EXCHANGE FOR DRY

STACK? >> SO OF THE 400 I DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORIZATION TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE I SEE WHERE I'M CONFUSED.

>> IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING DRY STACK IS PREFERRED BUT YOU'RE ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL

ARBITRATION RIGHT NOW. >> IT SAYS SPECIFICALLY THE IT'S 10 PERCENT AND I'M SORRY I

JUST KNOW. >> NO, YOU'RE CORRECT IN THE APPLICATION RIGHT NOW.

THE SIMPLE CHANGE WAS BUT NOT FOR DRY STACK AT TWO LOCATIONS. SO THAT'S CORRECT.

SO LET ME CLARIFY BECAUSE I WAS GOING THE SAME DIRECTION. HOW MANY WERE IN THE DRY STACK?

>> WE WE WE HAVEN'T DESIGNED A DRY STACK YET BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO BE PRESUMPTUOUS TO DESIGN A DRY STACK WITHOUT ENTITLED RIGHTS TO ONE. SO IT IS DRY STACK PLUS THE 176 AS OF RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A PERMIT FOR ONE SAID I THINK BEFORE I REFERENCED 186 THAT WAS AVAILABLE APPLICATION BUT PERMIT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A WET SLIP PERMIT ARMORY WET SLIP MARINA PART FOR 170 WET SLIPS, WET ENTITLEMENTS FOR 400 AND SOMETHING ELSE YOU SAID I WAS JUST CURIOUS HE WANTED TO PUSH THIS MARINA AWAY FROM THE MAIN RIVER TO PROTECT THE OYSTER

BEDS. >> I THINK THE WORDS YOU USED. YEAH.

WHAT WHAT ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT? IS THAT GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM

FOR THE NEW RIVER? >> SO THERE ARE NO WALLS. LET ME SHOW YOU A MAP.

SO IN TERMS OF PROXIMITY. KEVIN . ALL RIGHT.

SO THIS RIGHT HERE IS A MAP THAT SHOWS THE STATE REGULATED OYSTER BEDS AND YOU CAN SEE THE RELATIVE DISTANCE AND CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE I'VE GOT THE AREA POINTED OUT WE ARE EIGHT MILES FROM THE NEAREST STATE REGULATED OYSTER OR SHELLFISH BEDS.

RIGHT. IF YOU WERE TO PUSH ANYTHING UP TOWARDS THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE CLOSER TO STATE REGULATED OYSTER BEDS.

SO FROM A DISTANCE STANDPOINT WE ARE FURTHER FROM ANY OTHER MARINE.

AND YES WE DID WHEN WE DESIGNED A LITTLE BLUFF WHEN WE WERE PLANNING FOR POMBO BLUFF.

>> WE PUSHED DEVELOPMENT FURTHER DOWN TO THE LOWER END OF THE PROPERTY AWAY FROM THE

OUTSTANDING RESOURCE WATER THAT IS THE MAIN RIVER. >> SO ALL RIGHT.

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>> RIGHT. WE DO HAVE 170 WET SLIPS ENTITLED TODAY.

RIGHT. WITH THE ABILITY TO GO TO ANOTHER TOTAL OF FOUR HUNDRED.

WE WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT AGAIN WE ARE ALSO EIGHT MILES FROM THE NEAREST FILLING STATION. SO FROM THE STANDPOINT OF CONVENIENCE RIGHT.

IT'S CERTAINLY MORE CONVENIENT TO BE LOCATED WHERE THE BOATS ARE.

THE BOATS WILL BE IN THE WATER. THEY WILL BE FILLED ON WATER. IT WILL EITHER HAPPEN AT THE MARINA OR THEY WILL HAVE TO TRAVEL EIGHT MILES TO THE FUSCA ISLAND TO FUEL.

WE ARE COMMITTED TO BEING A CLEAN MARINA. >> THEY'RE NOT RIGHT.

>> AND THEN IF YOU WANTED TO GET DIESEL YOU WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO TO NOT FREEPORT.

YOU'D HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY. RIGHT NOW I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE DIESEL AT FREEPORT.

YOU'D HAVE TO GO 12 MILES AWAY. IT'S A HARBOR TOWN. SO THE IDEA OF GOING OUT OF THE TOWN 12 MILES OR EIGHT MILES TO FUEL UP WHEN YOU CAN HAVE THE CONVENIENCE THE REGULATION, THE CONTROL AND THE WAY WE'VE DONE THINGS AT PALMETTO BLUFF HAVEN'T LOCALLY.

FURTHER AWAY FROM SHELLFISH BEDS SEEMS TO BE THE MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE THING TO DO. ON TOP OF THAT I KNOW THIS ISN'T SHOULDN'T BE THE PRIMARY CONSIDERATION BUT THERE IS ALSO THE BUSINESS TAX OR THE BUSINESS LICENSE FEE THAT ANY REVENUE GENERATED IT'S A DOLLAR 24 THOUSAND DOLLARS IN BUSINESS GENERATED AT AND WITHIN THE TOWN. SO AGAIN FROM THE STANDPOINT OF HOW IS BENEFICIAL FINANCIALLY BENEFICIAL SORRY AND IT'S ALSO BENEFICIAL FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT BECAUSE FUELING WILL HAPPEN ON THE WATER. I WOULD RATHER WE CONTROL THAT.

WE REGULATE IT AND WE DON'T FORCE PEOPLE TO GO ANOTHER EIGHT MILES AWAY TO GET FUEL ON AN ISLAND THAT HAS NO ACCESS BY TRUCK OR ANY OTHER MEANS TO GET FUEL TO THE STATION.

>> SO IF THERE IF THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY IF IT GOES OPEN TO PUBLIC COMMENT, I WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY AT LEAST IF I CAN ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS THAT MAY BE FROM THE PUBLIC OR MAYBE IT CONCERN. SO BUT FOR NOW, UNLESS YOU HAVE THE QUESTIONS, I'LL SIT DOWN.

>> THANK YOU. DID YOU GO AHEAD AND OPEN ALL RIGHT.

>> YEAH. YES. I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK THE COMMISSION IF THEY WANTED GO AND DISCUSS ANY ITEMS OR GO AHEAD AND OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. EVERYONE COMFORTABLE WITH ALMOST LIKE TO GET THE INPUT FIRST BEFORE WE THAT. THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. I'M REALLY OK WITH THAT WEIGHT.

>> YES. >> PUBLIC COMMENT. YES.

ALL RIGHT. SO UM, CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO GO IN TO PUBLIC COMMENT? THE MOTION FOR YOU TO OPEN. JUST OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HERE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR FOR

BOTH ITEMS SO THAT AGAIN THERE'S TWO ITEMS. >> SO TWO ITEMS. ONE DISCUSSION AND AT THE END THERE WILL BE TWO SEPARATE VOTES.

SO YOUR YOU CAN DO A COMBINED MOTION FOR BOTH OF THE ITEMS RIGHT NOW FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING PURPOSES AND THEN ONCE THERE IS A DECISION ONCE ONCE ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENTS HAVE PROVIDED YOU THEN TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

PUBLIC COMMENT. YES, MA'AM. I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC

COMMENT FOR BOTH COMMENT A BLUFF. >> MADAM MANAGER WILL MAY I PROPOSE A MOTION A MOTION TO OPEN UP AGENDA ITEMS 8 AND 8 1 AND 2 REGARDING PALMETTO BLUFF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AMENDMENT AND PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAY AN AMENDMENT FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AND OR I CAN SAY YOU CAN IF SOMEBODY MOVES THAT'LL BE FOUND MOVED IN ANY FURTHER

DISCUSSION? >> OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR.

THANK YOU RICHARDSON. WE WILL NOW OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT .

>> TERRY SPRINGER IS FIRST PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOU

HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> MY NAME IS TERRY SPRINGER. I LIVE AT 1 6 8 GILDED STREET AND I'M WRITTEN READING A STATEMENT THAT WAS WRITTEN BY CHRISTINE MARGRET BECAUSE SHE

CAN'T BE HERE TODAY. >> DEAR PLANNING COMMISSION AND TOWN COUNCIL, I AM WRITING TO EXPRESS MY CONCERNS OVER THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE PALMETTO BLUFF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. THESE PROPOSED CHANGES NOT ONLY CONTRADICT THE ORIGINAL VISION AND ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP THAT PALMETTO BLUFF REPRESENTED BUT ALSO POTENTIALLY AFFECTS THE INTEGRITY OF THE LEADERSHIP OF THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON. DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS ARE A COMMITMENT AND ONLY HAVE LEGITIMACY IF THEY ARE RIGOROUSLY MAINTAINED.

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PLEASED AND I PROMOTE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE PALMETTO BLUFF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

THIS IS NOT IN THE INTEREST OF THE LONG TERM WELL-BEING OF BLUFFTON.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME COLLINS . DOTTIE ALL STARTED RIGHT.

MY NAME IS COLLINS DOWDY. >> FIFTY FIVE B OYSTER STREET BLUFFTON.

I'VE LIVED HERE MY ENTIRE LIFE. I KNOW THE NEW RIVER VERY WELL AND I DON'T WANT TO BE REPETITIOUS JUST WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I KNOW ARE GOING TO BE SAID.

BUT I'VE JUST BEEN LISTENING THUS FAR THE MOST START WITH THE DRY STACK STORAGE.

I HAVE NOT HEARD HOW MANY SLOTS THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE IN THIS DRIES TEXT ORANGE AND I THINK IF THEY REALLY WANT THAT THEN THEY NEED TO DOWNSIZE ASIDE THE MARINA THE FUEL DOCK YOU KNOW THE HISTORY HERE ON HILTON HEAD YOU'VE GOT PALMETTO BAY, YOU'VE GOT HILTON HEAD HARBOR IN HARBOR TOWN, PALMETTO BAY IN HILTON HEAD HARBOR HAVE BEEN HERE THERE ONE OF THE EARLIEST MARINAS AROUND HARBOR TOWN IS THE BASE AND SO IF ANYTHING SHOULD HAPPEN THEY CAN CUT IT OFF QUICKLY. I HAVEN'T HEARD WHAT DISTANCE THE FUEL DOCK WILL BE FROM THE SHORE LINE AND BECAUSE SOMETHING THAT'S CONCERNING I TOOK A COUPLE PEOPLE IN MY BOAT I PUT IT AT THE LANDING ON HIGHWAY 170 DOWN THE NEW RIVER ALL THE WAY TO THE PROPOSED SITE AND I DON'T KNOW PHASE BUT HE'S DONE THAT OR WHATEVER. BUT THE NEW RIVER HAS GRASS THAT IT'S NOT LIKE THE SPA, TINA THAT YOU WOULD SEE RIGHT AROUND HERE.

THE GRASS IS WAY TALLER BACK WHEN THEY BOWL WHERE THE OLD RICE FIELDS WERE AND I NOTICED JUST BEFORE YOU GET TO WHERE THE SITE IS THERE'S A DOCK ON THE OTHER ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE RIVER AND THERE WAS AT LEAST 40 YARDS OF GRASS PILED UP AGAINST THAT DOCK AND I KNOW THAT A LOT OF IT WASHES DOWN THAT RIVER AND I CAN'T IMAGINE IF YOU HAVE THE FUEL DOCK WAY OUT THERE AND YOU HAVE YOU KNOW, A BIG WATER EVENT OR STORM WHATEVER.

A LOT STUFF'S GOING TO COME DOWN THAT RIVER AND PILE UP ON THAT DOCK AND IT COULD POSSIBLY BREAK LOOSE. PLUS IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR TRANSIENT BOATS LIKE BIG SPORT FISHERMEN OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T IMAGINE THEM COMING DOWN TO GET ON THEIR BOAT AND IT'S STACKED UP WITH 40 OR 50 YARDS OF GRASS PILED UP ON THE SIDE OF THEIR BOAT.

I MEAN IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY IS LOOKED AT.

YOU KNOW, AND ALSO NAVIGATING THE NEW RIVER AND I'VE I'M PLANNING ON TAKING A ONE OF THE BOATS THAT I GUIDE PEOPLE AND I'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR A LONG TIME IS A 60 FOOT SPORT FISHING BOAT AND AT LOW TIDE I WANT TO SEE WHAT IT'S LIKE TRYING TO GET UP THE NEW RIVER BECAUSE TOWARD THE MOUTH OF THE NEW RIVER THERE'S AN ISLAND THAT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE

RIVER AND IT'S SKINNY AT LOW TIDE. >> IT'S IT'S SHALLOW.

I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THAT'S TIME. OK.

I'M SORRY BUT THOSE ARE SOME OF MY CONCERNS. THANK YOU.

>> AND I HAVE CLEANED OUT STEPS. >> DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT REGARDING THIS ISSUE? IT JUST SAYS PLANNING BOARD MILESTONES 2 0 7 SAW MILL CREEK

ROAD BLUFFTON. >> GOOD EVENING. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR LONG TIMES,

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YOU DON'T FIND WATER LIKE THIS ABOUT ANYWHERE ELSE. THIS AREA IS VERY UNIQUE IN THE WORLD. ALSO I'M A BIG FAN OF HISTORY. I READ ALL THE TIME AND I FIND THAT HISTORY CAN BE GOOD AND BAD. AND THE THING IS ABOUT THE BAD PART OF HISTORY IS WE NEED TO LEARN FROM IT AND NOT MAKE ANY MORE MISTAKES IN THE FUTURE.

WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY HERE, WE HAD STATE AND LOCAL AUTHORITIES PROMOTE VERY HARD TO HAVE A CHEMICAL PLANT PLACED ON CALL IT A RIVER. THIS WAS GOING TO BE ON A TWELVE HUNDRED ACRE SITE. THEY WERE GOING TO BRING RAILROAD SERVICE IN THERE.

THERE WERE ALSO GOOD DUMP I THINK AROUND THREE MILLION GALLONS OF ACID EFFLUENT INTO THE CARLTON RIVER EVERY DAY IT WAS BRINGING JOBS AND REVENUE BUT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BAD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. IT WOULD HAVE DESTROYED WILDLIFE LIKE ANYTHING YOU PUT IN THE RIVER FUEL OR ANYTHING ELSE. IT GOES BY THE WIND WITH THE TIDE. IT WILL GO DOWN, IT'LL COME BACK AND IT MOVES VERY RAPIDLY . SO IT'S GOING TO SPRAY OUT. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ISOLATED.

THE PEOPLE PUSHED AGAINST AGAIN THE PEOPLE PUSHED AGAINST THAT. AND IT WAS STOPPED.

THEY ALSO PUSHED AGAINST BROWN AND ROOT. AND WE'RE GOING TO BUILD ALL DERRICKS ON THE SAME PROPERTY OR ADJACENT PROPERTY. PEOPLE WON WITH THAT AS WELL.

LATER ON IF CHICAGO BRIDGE AND IRELAND A MANUFACTURING PLANT ON THE CARDS RIVER WHICH IS NOW CALLED RIVER PLANTATION AND THE PEOPLE PUSH BACK AGAINST THAT BECAUSE THEY WANTED WATER QUALITY ABOVE ALL THINGS THE NOT TO THE COUNTY PUSHED EXTREMELY HARD TO PUT A BOAT MANUFACTURING COMPANY HERE ON VICTORIA BLUFF AND PEOPLE PUSHED HARD AGAINST IT.

THEY WILL BUILD A LARGE DOCK OUT INTO THE CARLTON RIVER AND PUT FUEL FACILITIES ON THERE TO FILL UP YARDS AND WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT FUEL SPILLS ON THE CARLTON RIVER.

WE DID SOME STUDIES ON THAT AND WE PUSHED AGAINST IT AND WE WON WITHOUT ONE AS WELL.

THAT SECTION NOW IS ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY SIX ACRES. IT'S OWNED BY THE PUBLIC AND IF IT HAD BEEN DEVELOPED NOT ONLY WOULD WE COULD HAVE HAD A CHEMICAL SPILL, WE COULD HAVE HAD STORMWATER FULL OF FIBERGLASS AND FUEL AND EVERYTHING ELSE WASHING INTO THE CARLTON RIVER. SO WE NEED TO LEARN FROM MISTAKES LIKE THIS.

I'M TOTALLY AGAINST FUEL STATION AND ALL THAT SECTION. AND BY THE WAY, IF YOU GO ON A LIVE ON THE ON THE RIVER AND YOU'RE GONNA GO TAKE A TRIP, YOU'RE GOING DOWN, YOU'RE GOING TO WAR HILTON HEAD AND IT'S A WHOLE LOT ODD WAY TO GO AND FILL UP EIGHT MILES DOWN THE NEW RIVER. ALSO HAVE A QUESTION HOW LARGE IS THAT FUEL TANK AND WHERE WILL IT BE LOCATED? IT'S TIME. TIMES OK.

YEAH. SO I'D LIKE THAT ANSWER TO THIS WHALE LOCATION.

NO. IF THE NEXT ONE'S RANDY BARNEY AN FIRST I WANT TO SLEEP ON IT

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> I WILL ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

WELL I WASN'T PERFECT. NO NOW PLEASE. YOUR NAME IS RANDY BALL ME I LOVE IT. I'M HOPE'S NECK DRIVER AND THAT'S IN PAUL MEADOW BLUFF.

FIRST I'D LIKE TO SAY TO AL LANDON COLLINS THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.

THOSE TWO GENTLEMEN ARE WORLD RENOWNED EXPERTS, ONE ON THE LEFT WHEN IT COMES TO WATER QUALITY. THERE'S NOTHING BETTER. PERIOD.

I CAME WITH PREPARED STATEMENT THIS EVENING. >> I THINK MOST OF YOU KNOW WHO I AM. AGAIN, MY NAME IS RANDY BOMBING AND I RESIDE AT 37 HOPE'S NECK DRIVE AND PALMETTO BLUFF. FIRST I STATE WITH SINCERE BELIEF THAT OUR NEW OWNER SOUTH STREET PARTNERS ARE EXCEPTIONAL INDIVIDUALS AND THAT THEY WILL DO THEIR BEST TO FACILITATE THE GREATEST OUR ALIVE FOR THEIR SHAREHOLDERS WHICH IS ADMIRABLE AND TRULY THEIR JOB.

>> BUT THEY ALSO WILL OBSERVE THE REQUIREMENTS OF ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP TO MAXIMIZE EFFICIENCIES FOR ENVIRONMENTALISM IN THE ECOLOGY WE CAN WITHOUT DOUBT COME TO A

MUTUAL MUTUALLY AGREEABLE POSITION. >> CHATTERING THE BEST CAPITALIST OPPORTUNITY FOR SOUTH STREET WHILE OBSERVING AND MAINTAINING THE INCREDIBLE AND DELICATE BALANCE OF NATURE . OUR GOAL IS TO MERGE SCIENCE WITH CAPITALISM AND REACT ACCORDINGLY. NEEDLESS TO SAY I WISH THAT THE LOW COUNTRY WOULD STOP ALL URBANIZATION BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT MY WISH IS UNREALISTIC AND UNFAIR TO MANY BABY BOOMERS WHO ARE RETIRING IN THE NORTHERN STATES AND DESIRE TO RELOCATE TO BLUFFTON FOR THEIR FINAL CHAPTER OF LIFE. SO TONIGHT I ASK THAT THE

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THAT WILL YIELD MINIMAL DAMAGE TO SCOUTS TO SOUTH STREET. >> I EXTEND MY PERSONAL GRATITUDE FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO WORK TOGETHER TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND TS PRESENT.

>> THAT'S WHY I DON'T DO PREPARED STATEMENTS. >> I'M BETTER ON MY OWN TO THOSE THAT HAVE COME TONIGHT. WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IT AND PICK IT BACK UP TO SO ACKNOWLEDGE AND COMMIT TO A BIPARTISAN PLAN TO JOINTLY MANAGE THE GREATEST ENVIRONMENT

AND GENTLEMEN ENVIRONMENTAL REGION IN BEAUFORT COUNTY. >> WHILE BUILDING AN INFRASTRUCTURE AN ECOSYSTEM THAT WILL YIELD MINIMAL DAMAGE TO SOUTH STREET, I EXTEND MY PERSONAL GRATITUDE FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO WORK TOGETHER TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL T TO THE

ENVIRONMENTAL ENTITIES PRESENT THIS EVENING. >> I APPLAUD YOUR LIFELONG FIGHT TO MAINTAIN THE REGION AS GOD INTENDED IT TO BE A LIVING EQUAL LIBERTY AND BETWEEN HUMANS AND NATURE. LASTLY, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR UNCONDITIONAL SUPPORT.

SO IN CONCLUSION I SUGGEST THAT SOUTH STREET MUST PRESENT A DEVELOPMENT THERE ONE CENTERS A DEVELOPMENTAL PLAN THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND SCIENTIFIC WORLD APPROVES RIBAUT WHICH CAN BE DONE THERE. WE RESPECT EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM PLEASE.

>> JANE HESTER PLEASE. >> I'M JANE HESTER. >> HOW ABOUT A BEACH DRIVE? I AGREE WITH WHAT THE FIRST LADY SAID TOTALLY. SO I'M GOING TO SKIP SOME OF THE STUFF I HAVE READ AND YOUR SO I HOPE I END UP MAKING SENSE.

OK, WELL I'M A 50 YEAR RESIDENT OF BLUFFTON AND FOR OVER 30 YEARS I TAUGHT THE CHILDREN AT

BLUFFTON. >> I SEE PARENTS OF CHILDREN HERE.

I SEE CHILDREN HERE THAT I TAUGHT DURING MY CAREER AND NOW I'M GREATLY DISTRESSED BY THE CONTINUING CHANGES REQUESTED BY THE SUBSEQUENT OWNERS OF PALMETTO BLUFF TO THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT AND I AM EQUALLY DISTRESSED BY THE ACQUIESCENCE OF THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON IN EXCHANGE FOR HIGHER DENSITY PALMETTO BLUFF AGREED TO LIMIT ACCESS TO AND TO PROTECT ITS FOUNDING WATERS. SINCE THAT TIME THAT SIGNING THERE HAS CONTINUAL EROSION OF THOSE PROTECTIONS ALREADY THE TOWN HAS AGREED TO A HUGE MARINA ON THE NEW RIVER AND NOW THE TOWN HAS BEEN ASKED TO APPROVE FUEL OVER WATER SPECIFICALLY DENIED BY THE ORIGINAL REQUEST AS WAS MORE THAN ONE AREA WITH DRY STORAGE .

I WONDER HOW THOSE WHO BOUGHT LAND ORIGINALLY AND PALMETTO BLUFF FEEL ABOUT THOSE CHANGES.

AND I WONDER WHETHER OR NOT THEY WERE ASKED ABOUT HOW THEY FEEL AND I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR IT ANSWER FROM SOUTH STREET ABOUT THAT. WE TOOK A LITTLE TRIP TO THE SITE WHICH I HAVE BEEN TO A NUMBER OF TIMES BY LAND. BUT WE WENT BY WATER AND AS WE DID WE NOTED HOW HEAVILY THE AREA IS COMMERCIALLY FISHED BY CRABBERS AT CERTAIN POINTS ALONG THE NEW RIVER. CRABTREE WERE THREE ABREAST. THEY WERE AS CLOSE AS THEY POSSIBLY COULD LEGALLY BE TO EACH OTHER. BUT WAKES AS WE ALL KNOW

PARTICULARLY THOSE OF US WITH DUCKS CREATE A LOT TURBIDITY. >> IF WE HAVE A DOCK WITH EVEN 50 BOAT SLIPS THAT JUST THE ORIGINAL HOW MANY BOAT WEEKS IS THAT GOING TO CREATE? IF WE END UP WITH THE NOT YET APPROVED BY OCR RAM 400 PLUS ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY TRANSIENTS I THINK IT WILL BE AN ENVIRONMENTAL DISASTER. SO I WANT TO ASK YOU PLEASE AS EVERYBODY ELSE HAS DONE TO DENY THIS. I'M ALSO WONDERING ABOUT WATER QUALITY STUDIES ORIGINALLY IN THEIR 2000 5 PERMIT. THEY HAD A WATER QUALITY STUDY

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>> THAT DAILY HELLO JACK DAILY FOR MYRTLE LANE HILTON HEAD. AND I DON'T HAVE AN ADDRESS FOR MY BLUFFTON PROPERTY BECAUSE IT'S A LOT OF MARTIAN ISLANDS THAT ARE NEXT DOOR TO PALMETTO BLUFF. OK, SO I HAVE PRIVATELY HELD MARTIAN ISLANDS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY'RE PRISTINE. THEY'RE PRICELESS AND THEY'RE IRREPLACEABLE AND I'VE TOURED THOSE ISLANDS. I BROUGHT THE HEAD OF SOUTH CAROLINA AUDUBON WITH ME PEOPLE FROM BEFORE COUNTY OPEN LAND TRUST AND I PHOTOGRAPHED BIRDS AND SENT THEM TO FELICIA SANDERS WITH DNR AND AUDUBON HAS A PRETTY BIRD LIST OF 61 62 BIRDS. WE'VE IDENTIFIED AT LEAST 27 OF THOSE USE THAT PROPERTY FOR FORAGE. OK, AND THAT'S A GLOBAL LIST 61 .

>> OK. >> THAT IS PRICELESS HABITAT. AND IF WE HAVE AN OIL SPILL, A GAS SPILL ANY KIND OF DAMAGE TO THAT PROPERTY SOME AS BIRDS RED KNOTS FLY FROM SOUTH AMERICA LAND THERE DOUBLE THEIR BODY WEIGHT IN THREE DAYS. FLY STRAIGHT TO THE TUNDRA.

>> OK. IT'S A CRITICAL LINK IN HABITAT AND I WISH SOUTH STREET OR WHOEVER THEY ARE WOULD CONSIDER PUTTING THE PROPERTY UNDER EASEMENT INSTEAD

OF UNDERDEVELOPMENT. >> THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE NEED TO GO.

SO PLEASE FOR A FEW TAX DOLLARS HERE AND THERE LET'S NOT MAKE A MISTAKE THAT WE CAN'T FIX.

OK. SO PLEASE AND I BOTH REQUEST AND I AGREE WITH MR. COLLINS THAT RIVER IS SNAKY FULL OF SNAGS. SANDBAR IS VERY DYNAMIC AND IT'S NARROW THE SIZE BOATS ARE LOOKING TO PUT UP THERE. THEY COULDN'T TURN AROUND IN THAT RIVER. IT'S REALLY NO MORE THAN A CREEK AND THAT KIND OF DAMAGE OF ALL THOSE BOATS BACK AND FORTH BACK AND FORTH THROUGH THAT HABITAT.

DISTURBING BIRDS. >> IT'S NOT WORTH THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR ADVANCING OUR MONEY, MISS FOR DOROTHY LOWEY LIVE AT 9:00 DUTCH CIRCLE IMPLEMENTABLE LET GO AND RECORD RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING THAT E-MAIL IS SENT TO OLD TOWN COUNCIL MEMBERS ON WEDNESDAY OCTOBER 20TH TWO THOUSAND TWENTY ONE REGARDING MARINA PROPOSAL AS WELL AS AN ISLAND PACKAGE ARTICLE I SAID THE SAME TOWN COUNCIL ON OCTOBER 25TH REGARDING COASTAL DAMAGE FROM DEVELOPMENT BE PROVIDED TO ALL PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS PRIOR TO ANY VOTE ON THIS

ISSUE. >> IN THAT E-MAIL I HIGHLIGHTED THAT MOST OF THE MONEY BEHIND SOUTH STREET IS FROM TWO FUNDS LOCATED IN GREENWICH, CONNECTICUT AND LONDON RUN BY FORMER GOLDMAN SACHS PARTNERS AND THE KUWAITI INVESTMENT AUTHORITY WHICH IS KUWAIT'S SOVEREIGN WEALTH FUND. GOLDMAN SACHS HAS A LARGE INVESTMENT BANK HEADQUARTERED IN NEW YORK WAS VERY INTEGRAL AND CALL THE UNITED STATES ECONOMIC COLLAPSE IN 2008 TO 2010 WHICH LED TO THE LOSS OF HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF HOMES OWNED BY LOW TO MIDDLE INCOME CITIZENS AND COST TAXPAYERS HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

THE TOWN COUNCIL E-MAIL I REFERENCE HAS AN ARTICLE ATTACHED TO IT DESCRIBING GOLDMAN'S GUILTY PLEA AND ITS MORE THAN FIVE BILLION DOLLAR FINE.

SO I AND WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT THE WELL-KNOWN ECOLOGICAL DAMAGE AT THE MARINA CONSTRUCTION WILL CAUSE I REVIEWED THE MEETING THE MEETING'S AGENDA PACKET ALL FOUR HUNDRED AND EIGHTY TWO USER FRIENDLY PAGES IN THAT STAFF REPORT WHICH ESTABLISHES THE CRITERIA THAT THE DDA ESTABLISHES FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT THIS AMENDMENT PROMOTES AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE GOALS ENVIRONMENTAL OBJECTIVES OVERALL AND TEN OF POLICIES WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. REALLY THERE'S A MARINA REALLY A WORTHY ENVIRONMENTAL

OBJECTIVE. >> ALSO A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RIGHT HERE.

CHAPTER 4 NATURAL RESOURCES BLUFFTON QUALITY OF LIFE IS BASED ON A FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLE THAT HEALTHY ECOSYSTEM SUPPORT HEALTHY PEOPLE WHICH IN TURN PROMOTE A HEALTHY ECONOMY WELL A QUALITY OF LIFE CAN BE PRESERVED BY PREDICTED PROTECTING AND ENHANCING THIS AREA'S NATURAL RESOURCES. UNCHECKED DEVELOPMENT PRESSURE MAY NEGATIVELY AFFECT LOCAL ECOLOGY AND RESULT IN A WIDE RANGE OF ENVIRONMENTAL AND ECONOMIC PROBLEMS. I SURE HAVEN'T HEARD THAT TONIGHT FROM ANYBODY REPRESENTING FROM THE STAFF OR ANYBODY ELSE. SECOND THAT CONSIST.

THE AMENDMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE INTENT OF THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT ZONING DISTRICT FOR PAUL MENTAL BLUFF IN THAT IT SAYS THE PUB PROVIDES FOR HIGH QUALITY ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE COMMUNITY THROUGH IMPROVED DESIGN CHARACTER AND QUALITY OF WALKABLE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS AND THE PRESENT PRESERVATION OF NATURAL AND SCENIC FEATURES REALLY ILLUMINATING AN ANCIENT MARITIME FORCE AND DESTROYING NATIVE MARSHLANDS AND ENDLESS WILDLIFE AND REPLACING HIM WITH CEMENT BULKHEADS, PARKING LOTS IN FUEL TANKS FULFILLS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WHO THE ARE WE KIDDING?

IT DOESN'T DO THAT AT ALL. >> I COULD SAY AS A TAXPAYER I FIND THESE STAFF FINDINGS TO BE

COMPLETELY LACKING OF DILIGENCE AND HOLISTIC ASSESSMENT. >> AT A MINIMUM THEY'RE ONE DIMENSIONAL AND SUPERFICIAL AND THEY COULD BE CALLED DECEITFUL AND WHOLLY MISLEADING OR A

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JESSE WHITE ON BEHALF OF THE CAUSE OF CONSERVATION LEAGUE WE APPRECIATE THAT SOUTH STREET LISTEN TO COMMUNITY CONCERNS AND REMOVE THE REQUESTS FOR NEW WATER ACCESS POINTS ON DOUGHBOY AND LONG ISLAND. HOWEVER, DOCKSIDE FUELING THE NEW DRY STACK POSED SUBSTANTIAL AND UNNECESSARY RISKS. WE URGE YOU TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THESE CHANGES BECAUSE THEY'RE INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE ORIGINAL VISION FOR PALMETTO BLUFF AND INCONSISTENT WITH ITS GOVERNING DOCUMENTS AND THE TOWN'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SINCE INCEPTION PALMETTO BLUFF HAS BEEN CHERISHED AND HELD UP AS UNIQUELY SPECIAL IN TERMS OF ITS DIVERSE NATIONAL RESOURCES IN TERMS OF ITS VAST WATERWAYS AND VIEW SHEDS AND IN TERMS OF THE WIDESPREAD RECOGNITION OF THE IMPLICATIONS THAT DEVELOPMENT CAN HAVE ON THOSE RESOURCES PARTICULARLY THE WATER QUALITY OF THE MAY COOPER AND NEW RIVERS. EVERYONE AGREED THAT DEVELOPMENT MUST BE CAREFULLY UNDERTAKEN WITH KEEN SENSITIVITY TO PROTECTING THE ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCES OF THE PROPERTY. IT'S THOSE CORE VALUES THAT HAVE CREATED AND KEPT PALMETTO BLUFF AS SUCH A DESIRABLE AND VALUABLE PLACE TO LIVE AND ENJOY. TODAY SOUTH STREET'S REQUESTING CHANGES THAT ARE CONTRARY TO THE SENSITIVE NATURE AND CORE VALUES OF THAT PROPERTY. THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT CONTEMPLATED A SINGLE DRY STOCK AND EXPLICITLY PROHIBITED DOCKSIDE FUELING.

THESE WERE KEY COMMITMENTS UNDER THE AGREEMENT. LIFTING THOSE RESTRICTIONS NOW COULD HAVE A DOMINO EFFECT ON THE INTENSITY OF WATER USE AND DEVELOPMENT ON THE SOUTHERN END OF PALMETTO BLUFF AND BEYOND. THE TOWN WELL KNOWS THE CHALLENGES THAT COME WITH RAPID GROWTH IN DEVELOPMENT. THE EXISTING AGREEMENT PROTECTS THE TOWN FROM UNFETTERED AND UNWISE GROWTH AND WE RECOMMEND THAT THOSE PROTECTIONS REMAIN SOUTH STREET PURCHASED THE PROPERTY KNOWING THE TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. THEY SHOULD NOT BE PERMITTED TO MAKE CHANGES NOW THAT ARE SOLELY FOR MAXIMUM PRIVATE GAIN AT THE EXPENSE PUBLIC RESOURCES. A NEW DRY STOCK AND DOCKSIDE FEELING POSED SIGNIFICANT RISK TO WATER QUALITY AND THREATEN IRREPARABLE DAMAGE TO THE PRISTINE AND HIGHLY UNIQUE NEW RIVER ESTUARY. WHILE A MARINA AT BIG HOUSE ANSON HAS LONG BEEN PART OF THE PLANS DOCKSIDE FUELING AND NEW DRY STACK WERE NEVER PART OF THOSE PLANS AND THEY ARE NOT AUTHORIZED UNDER THE EXISTING MARINA PERMIT. WE HAVE CONFIRMED WITH THE LACK OF OFFICIALS THAT SUCH CHANGES WOULD REQUIRE THE APPLICATION TO GO BACK OUT ON PUBLIC NOTICE . THIS IS BECAUSE DOCKSIDE FUELING AND A NEW DRIVE STOCK ARE MORE INTENSE WATER USES THAT COME WITH MORE SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.

THE SIZE AND SCALE OF THE MARINA CONTEMPLATED BY SOUTH STREET IS INAPPROPRIATE WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THIS ECOLOGICALLY VALUABLE LANDSCAPE.

THERE ARE AT LEAST FIVE DEEP WATER MARINAS WITH DOCKSIDE FUELING ALREADY IN EXISTENCE ON NEARBY HILTON HEAD ISLAND. WE ALSO HAVE CONCERNS A MAJOR MARINA WILL LEAD TO DREDGING IN THE NEW RIVER DUE TO THE LIMITED NAVIGABLE CITY AND THE IN THIS DESIRE TO TARGET A LARGE VESSEL TRAFFIC FROM THE INTRACOASTAL WATERWAY. APPROVING THESE CHANGES WILL UNDERMINE THE INTEGRITY AND THE VALUE THAT DEFINE PALMETTO BLUFF AS A HIGH QUALITY ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE COMMUNITY. WE URGE YOU TO UPHOLD THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS AND RECOMMEND DENIAL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. >> FRAN BOLEN APPLAUSE.

FRAN BOLAN SAYING RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH. I'M FRAN HAYWOOD BORLAND.

I GREW UP IN BLUFFTON AND I STILL CALL IT MY HOME THOUGH I LIVE AT BUCKINGHAM BLAND AND HAVE 6 1965. SO MY DRESS CHILDREN HAD I'VE HEARD MUCH OF WHAT I AGREE WITH TODAY AND I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT IT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE TO HEAR MORE THAN

ONE TIME BUT WHAT THEY SAID DITTO. >> ALL RIGHT.

THE OTHER PART I WANT TO SAY THOUGH IS THAT YOU HAVE A LOT OF POWER.

YOU HAVE A LOT OF AUTHORITY. I KNOW YOU'RE NOT THE DECIDING BODY BUT YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT AND THE PUBLIC. THAT'S US.

AND THAT FOR ALL THE PEOPLE OUT THERE WE DON'T SEE AND CHILDREN TO COUNT WHO STILL LITTLE NOW AND THEY'LL COME TO LIVE HERE. I WANT YOU TO PROTECT THE NATURAL RESOURCES FOR THEM.

AND DO YOU HAVE HEARD WHAT THEIR PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE AGREEMENT WILL DO TO THOSE NATURAL RESOURCES AS YOU'VE HEARD IT BETTER FROM OTHER PEOPLE THAN I CAN GIVE IT TO

YOU? >> PLEASE BE RESPECTFUL OF THOSE NATURAL RESOURCES FOR

THE FUTURE FUTURE CHILDREN. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

>> SAM WALTON. APPLAUSE HELLO MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

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THEIR AIM IS TO ALTER THE LAND AND COASTLINE FOR PROFIT IS IN PLAIN SIGHT.

AND SO IT IS. BUT THE WORK OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION GOES BEYOND THE PROFIT MOTIVE OR FILLING TAX COFFERS. YOUR TASK WITH MANAGING BLUFFTON GROWTH NOT SETTING IT ON. YOU'RE AWARE OF THE POPULATION FIGURES DEPENDING ON THE SOURCE. ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY SEVEN PERCENT INCREASE IN POPULATION SINCE THE 2010 CENSUS. SEVEN HUNDRED AND SEVENTY PERCENT INCREASE FROM 2000 TO YEARS AFTER ANNEXATION OF THE TOWN INTO PALMETTO BLUFF DRIVE

ANYWHERE IN SOUTHERN BEAUFORT COUNTY. >> GO TO ANY COMMUNITY WITH A COUNTY BOAT RAMP OR SANDBAR NEARBY. EXPERIENCED STORMWATER RUNOFF IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU WILL SEE THE CONSEQUENCES OF UNCHECKED GROWTH.

LONG ISLAND AS IT'S BEEN PLEDGED TO MY COUNT FOR 60 THREE HOME SITES IT IS COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY SALT MARSH. THE VASCULAR SYSTEM OF THE LOW COUNTRY THE COOPER RIVER FROM RAM'S HORN CREEK NORTHWARD AS IT WEBS AROUND LONG ISLAND IS A DESIGNATED OUTSTANDING RESOURCE WATER THAT HASN'T BEEN MENTIONED TONIGHT.

WHAT BUSINESS DOES YOUR GOVERNMENT BODY TOWN COUNCIL OR D HECK HAVE ALLOWING DEVELOPMENT OF THIS BARRIER ISLAND? WHO SPEAKS FOR BIRDLIFE THE FISH, OYSTERS AND DOLPHIN WHO DEPEND ON A UN MANICURED PRISTINE COASTLINE?

>> WHAT IS THE POINT OF THE OCR IN CRITICAL LINE WHERE THE PROPOSED ANSON MARINA DOUGHBOY AND LONG ISLAND DEVELOPMENTS ARE WITHIN? IF THERE IS NO ACCOUNTABILITY THE FIRST STEP IS DENY TO DENY THIS APPLICATION FOR DRY SEC STORAGE AND OVERWATER FUELING NEXT STEP IS TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER AN ACTION PLAN THAT PUTS WILDLIFE AND THE COASTAL ESTUARINE SYSTEM ON EQUAL FOOTING WITH DEVELOPERS REAPING HUGE PROFITS FROM THE VERY THING THEY ARE DESECRATING. I AM SUBMITTING OUR A PETITION MY SERGEANT.

THANK YOU AND FULLY MANUAL AS I THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK MADAM CHAIRMAN AND COMMITTEE.

I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR ASKING FOR MORE INFORMATION FROM THE LAST MEETING.

AND CAN YOU SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE? 1 0 4 PRITCHETT ST. ANSELM MANUAL. THANK YOU. AND I WANT TO THANK THE APPLICANT FOR SIMPLIFYING THEIR REQUEST. I AGREE WITH MOST OF EVERYTHING THAT HAS SAID TONIGHT. I WANT TO REVISIT THE ANNEXATION DEAL THAT WAS MADE BETWEEN THIS TOWN AND THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPERS BECAUSE AT THE TIME PALMETTO BLUFF WAS PART OF BEAUFORT COUNTY. SO HERE'S THE DEAL. THE TOWN WAS GIVING THEM TRIPLE THE DENSITY, TRIPLE THE HOUSING UNITS THAT THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE AND I HAVE THAT AND SOME OF THE NEWS ARTICLES RESEARCH AND I JUST REMEMBER IT. IN EXCHANGE FOR THAT THE DEVELOPER AGREED TO LIMIT DOC EDGE AND ALSO IT'S NOT EVEN A GRAY AREA IN THIS AGREEMENT.

>> IT'S VERY CLEAR NO FUEL OVER WATER AND IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT THEY WILL ONLY GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO HAVE ONE DRY STOP BOAT STORAGE FACILITY. SO BOTH PARTIES GOT SOMETHING THAT THEY WANTED OUT OF THIS DEAL. SO YOU HAVE TO TURN AROUND AND START CHIPPING AWAY AT IT. IT'S JUST NOT FAIR. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU ABOUT MARY. >> YOU SAY PLEASE STATE YOUR

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DESTROYING IT AS THEY GO AT THE LAST MEETING. >> I.

I MEAN I GUESS I'M HAPPY THAT THEY REVISED THESE AMENDMENTS IN THE PROPOSAL.

BUT AT THE LAST MEETING I BELIEVE IT WAS MY CUE SAID WHAT BREE HAS AND I QUOTE I WENT BACK TO THE TRANSCRIPT AND FOUND IT WHAT BREE HAS ASKED US TO DO IS ELIMINATE FUEL DOCKSIDE FUEL AT ANY LOCATION BUT ONE RIGHT NOW IT IS QUESTIONABLE WHETHER WE HAVE IT AT EVERY EXISTING LOCATION. WE'RE SAYING ONE LOCATION NO OTHER LOCATIONS.

SO I GUARANTEE YOU THEY WILL BE BACK UP HERE A YEAR FROM NOW, TWO YEARS FROM NOW WHENEVER ASKING FOR CHIPPING WAYS, AINSLIE SAID AT WHAT WAS CRAFTED ORIGINALLY FOR A

PURPOSE. >> PALMETTO BLUFF HAS BEEN DONE WELL TO THIS POINT BUT YOU CANNOT LET THE PREVIOUS OWNERS REPUTATION HAVE ANY IMPACT ON WHAT THESE CURRENT OWNERS ARE ASKING OR OR WHAT THEIR INTENTIONS ARE BECAUSE IT'S IT'S A CLEAN SLATE.

SO I ASK YOU TO VOTE NO. I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD COMPROMISE ON ANY OF IT.

I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE ASK FOR MORE AND THEN SETTLE TO GET WHAT THEY WANT.

SO I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD COMPROMISE. I THINK YOU SHOULD KNOW.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. YOU HAVE TO DO A SECOND AND THIRD GO FOR AND I NEED TO.

>> IDEALLY, YES. JUST DO A SECOND AND THIRD CALL.

JUST MAKE SURE THERE'S NOBODY ELSE OUT THERE. SO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> FIRST CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. SECOND CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

FIRST CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> I WOULD HAVE ONE AND SHE WOULD COME ON.

>> I THINK THAT THAT'S AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR. >> YES, MA'AM.

CHARLIE BUT IF YOU COULD FILL OUT THE CARD WHEN YOU'RE DONE. MY NAME IS CHARLENE GARDNER.

>> I LIVE AT 31 BRUNSON UNINCORPORATED BEEF COUNTY. >> I WAS HOPING I WASN'T GOING TO TALK BUT I THINK THE DISCUSSION AND WHAT Y'ALL SHOULD KEEP IN YOUR MIND AS YOU THINK ABOUT ALL THIS AS I SEE MORE AND MORE POOR CHOICES BEING MADE IN BLUFFTON

EXACERBATED GROWTH IS. >> IS THIS ABOUT CONVENIENCE OR ARE WE GOING TO THINK ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH DISASTROUS WATER SITUATE ASIANS ALL OVER THE WORLD.

IT'S NOT JUST HERE, JUST IN THIS COUNTRY. IT'S HAPPENING AROUND THE

WORLD. >> AND IF WE DON'T OPEN OUR EYES, WHY ARE WE EVEN DISCUSSING CLIMATE CHANGE? BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF US.

AND IT'S CONVENIENT FOR HIM TO DRIVE EIGHT MILES TO GET FUEL. SORRY.

I THINK THERE'S PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY. I THINK YOU SHOULD CONSIDER DENYING THE APPLICATION FOR PROTECTION OF OUR WATERWAYS PROTECTION OUR WAY OF LIFE.

THERE IS CERTAINLY A BEAUTIFUL DEVELOPMENT THERE AND PEOPLE CAN USE IT JUST FINE WITHOUT

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THOSE AMENITIES. >> OKAY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. OKAY. >> COME ON UP ONE LAST OR I'LL DO ANOTHER ROLL CALL. OH YEAH. GOOD EVENING BOB COBLE AND 82

BANDRA STREET BLUFFTON. >> I AGREE WITH JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID SO FAR BUT THE ONE THING I DID WANT TO POINT OUT WAS THE PETITION THAT WAS DELIVERED A FEW MINUTES AGO HAS ELEVEN HUNDRED AND FORTY SIGNATURES ON IT AND COUNTING.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. I AGAIN.

YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE. I'VE HAD MY HEARING AS WELL.

HAVE EMERGED INTO CLOSED PUBLIC HEARING PLEASE. I MOVED AND THE SECOND I CAN.

THANK YOU. OKAY. MADAM CHAIR, IF I IF I CAN JUST JUST BRIEFLY FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE. THE REASON THAT WE GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING IS BECAUSE THE SOUTH CERTAIN TYPES OF APPLICATIONS REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING. AND SO THAT'S ALL WE HAVE TO FOLLOWS.

KIND OF ODD FORMULAIC STEP. SO THANK YOU FOR GUIDING ME THROUGH IT.

>> ROBERT'S RULES WE NEED TO PROVE WE JUST SECOND AND MAY HAVE I'M ALL IN FAVOR.

>> HI. OK, SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THIS AMONGST OURSELVES AND IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR THE APPLICANT ANYONE WANT TO START TRIALING?

>> WOULD YOU LIKE TO START? SURE. WHY NOT? OK. I ONLY TOOK A COUPLE OF NOTES FIRST AND FOREMOST AND TAKE ABOUT TWO MINUTES OF SHAMAN PRIVILEGE. NOT EVERYBODY UP HERE HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE. AND WE HAVE A ROOM WHERE L STOKES WHO IS THE REASON WHY DELL IS WHAT IT IS AND WE'RE CONSTANTLY COMES UP AND YOUR FRIEND HAYWARD COME UP WHO ARE

A KEY PART OF THE HISTORY AND TALK. >> I START LISTENING AND I HAD OPINIONS BEFOREHAND. THEY THEY HAVEN'T CHANGED MUCH. AN YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA BE OPEN

TO THE WHOLE PROCESS. >> HOWEVER, THESE PEOPLE ARE THE HISTORY OF THIS AREA AND THESE PEOPLE ARE THE REASON WHY WE'RE AS GOOD AS WE ARE RIGHT NOW ALONG WITH OTHER PEOPLE.

THIS COASTAL CONSERVATION LEAGUE THIS THESE WATERWAYS ARE UNIQUE MEH RIVER ISN'T A RIVER, IT'S A TIDAL INLET AND IT TAKES FOREVER FOR POLLUTANTS TO WASH OUT OF THAT RIVER.

THESE ARE ALL THINGS WE NEED TO CONSIDER. I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE

NEW RIVER NOW BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT OUR TOWN. >> I DO WANT EVERYBODY SITTING OUT THERE GIRDLES OF WHAT HAPPENS UP HERE TONIGHT NEXT TUESDAY NIGHT IT GOES BEFORE

COUNCIL AT MIND. >> THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD ASK STAFF IS IF COUNCIL SEES FIT TO TRY AND PULL SOME OF THESE WET SLIPS OFF THE WATER IN EXCHANGE FOR A DRY

STACK. >> IS THAT A VIABLE THING FOR THEM TO CONSIDER NEGOTIATING SAY GETTING HALF OF THOSE HUNDRED SEVENTY OFF THE WATER FOR ONE HUNDRED DRY STACK?

>> AND GETTING IT OUT OF THE WATER WHERE I'VE BEEN TOLD IT'S MUCH BETTER NOT BEING THE WATER

LOOKED AT. >> RICHARDSON TO ASSIST WITH THAT JUST FROM A LEGALITY STANDPOINT IT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION FROM US BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EVEN WORTH IT BECAUSE THIS IS A I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND INCLUDING ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN WHATEVER

RECOMMENDATION YOU GO IN. >> THE REALLY HIGH LEVEL TYPE OF APPLICATION THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO A CONCEPT PLAN IS AN AMENDMENT TO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND ALTHOUGH YOU DO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY WITH CRAFTING CONDITIONS AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AMENDMENT YOU WANT TO YOU WANT TO ELIMINATE THIS AS MUCH AS YOU CAN IN CRAFTING SINGLE SOLUTIONS TO A EXAMINING ISSUE FOR A PARTICULAR DEVELOPER. AGAIN, DEVELOP AN AGREEMENT A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY BUT BECAUSE YALE'S ROLE IS TO RECOMMEND TO TOWN COUNCIL MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO BE VERY CLEAR ON YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND TRY TO MAKE THEM AS MY MINING IT UP TO SERIES SAYING AND THEN JUST THE LAST THING I'D LIKE TO SAY IS YOU KNOW,

I'VE BEEN AROUND HERE FOR 30 YEARS. >> I KNOW THE PEOPLE THAT CRAFTED THIS ORIGINAL AGREEMENT AND I KNOW I MY MEMORY BY THE BEST OF MY MEMORY.

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A COUPLE THINGS. >> I'M NOT A LONGTIME RESIDENT BUT I FALL IN LOVE WITH THIS AND WE BOTH NOW AND FALL IN LOVE WITH THE RIVERS HERE AND I JUST ONE OF THE GROUPS IS CALLED THE FREEDOM BOAT CLUB AND THEY HAVE THE AMERICAN BOATING CLUB AND THEY'RE TRYING TO CREATE A LITTLE TRIP THAT GOES THE NEW RIVER. AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE I THINK THIS FRIDAY. BUT THEY SAID YOU CAN ONLY HAVE BOATS WITH 24 INCHES OF DRAW ON IT WHICH IS A VERY SHALLOW BOAT. SO FOR ME I'M SITTING HERE TRYING TO LISTEN TO THE GENTLEMAN THAT STARTED AND AGAIN THERE IS THIS CONCERN ABOUT WELL, WE'RE FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM THE MAIN RIVER AND THE HATCHERIES SO WE'RE OK.

>> BUT IT STILL SAYS WHY ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT BEING CLOSE TO THEM? IT SAYS TO ME THERE'S POLLUTION ,TURBIDITY, DISTURBANCE OF THOSE AREAS BUT THE THING IS IS THAT YOU KNOW, THIS THIS TRIP THAT'S SUPPOSED TO GO UP TO A NEW RIVER WITH THIS

BOATING GROUP, IT SAYS YOU HAVE TO MAKE. >> YOU HAVE TO HAVE A VERY SMALL BOAT. IT'S I THINK HE SAID MAXIMUM OF 28 FEET LONG, 2 INCHES OF DRAW. AND IT'S VERY TREACHEROUS TO GET UP THERE BECAUSE IT'S SO SHALLOW. SO I'M SITTING HERE SAYING ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE TO DREDGE?

>> NO, I THINK ONE OF THE PUBLIC. BUT I HAD ALREADY MADE THAT NOTE. YOU KNOW, I'D LOVE TO KNOW. ARE THERE PLANS TO DREDGE THE NEW RIVER TO ALLOW THIS MARINA TO WORK? THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. MICHAEL'S GOING TO COME UP AND ADDRESS THAT WORTH EVENING.

SO. NO, THERE ARE NOT PLANS TO DREDGE.

WE HAD DONE A BATHROOM DISTRICT SURVEY ALL THE WAY FROM THE MOUTH OF THE INTERCOASTAL

WATERWAY ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE MARINA. >> SO IT IS NAVIGABLE.

IT WAS DONE PREVIOUSLY WHEN THE FIRST APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED WHEN THE PERMIT WAS EXTENDED.

WE ALSO DID A NEW ONE. IT WAS I THINK IN THE SPRING. SO WE'VE GOT RIVERS MOVE.

THIS ONE HAS MOVED BUT IT'S STILL SUFFICIENT FOR NAVIGATION .

>> WELL, I DID HEAR A PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT TALKING ABOUT IT AT LOW TIDE.

SO THERE ARE A BUNCH OF SANDBARS. SO IS IT NOW? I MEAN IT IS IT IS NAVIGABLE BUT THERE IF YOU GO THROUGH THE NEW RIVER AND I'VE BEEN UP ON THE NEW RIVER IT DEFINITELY HAS A BUNCH OF SANDBARS BUT YOU CAN NAVIGATE IT.

>> THERE IS THERE A LIMIT ON A TYPE OF BOAT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE.

>> I MEAN I'M SURE THERE'S A LIMIT TO SOME SIZE BUT I MEAN CERTAINLY AGAIN WE'RE WE'RE

GOING TO HAVE A MARINA. >> RIGHT. WE GAVE UP ALL SINGLE SINGLE HOMEOWNER DOCK RIGHTS. WE PUT A BUFFER OF 100 FEET ON EVERY LOT.

SO WE'VE DONE ALL THESE THINGS. WE'VE GOT 14 MILES MANAGED FOREST.

I FELT LIKE A LITTLE BIT HEARING SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE THINGS. WE'VE FOCUSED ALL OF OUR OUR WATER ACCESS TO BASICALLY TWO MARINAS. RIGHT.

I MEAN THEY'RE MANAGED THEY'LL BE CONTROLLED AGAIN FROM A FUELING STANDPOINT WE WILL BE A CLEAN MARINA. WE WILL MANAGE IT. WE WILL PROPERLY TAKE CARE OF IT AND WE WILL PROTECT THE WATERWAY. BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. BUT NOW WE'VE DONE ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF SERVICE JUST OUT

OF CURIOSITY BASED ON THE QUESTIONS HERE. >> DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE MINIMUM DEPTH IS AT LOW TIDE OR NOT? I DON'T BUT I CAN LET YOU KNOW BY THE TIME WE GO TO COUNCIL.

JUST WAS CURIOUS OR EVERYTHING'S BASED ON MEAN LOW WATER AND WE'VE GOT THE SERVICE

RIGHT. >> DID YOU HAVE MORE COMMENT? JUST LOOKING IT UP MYSELF SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I FIND THAT I'M PRETTY ADAMANT ON HIS PROPERTY RIGHTS.

>> AND SO I AM NOT VERY VEHEMENT THAT IF THEY HAD THE RIGHT TO DO THIS AND IF THAT WERE THE INTENT OF THE DOCUMENT WAS THE RIGHT TO DO THIS, THAT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER I LIKED IT FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT, I WOULD FEEL COMPELLED TO FOLLOW IT AND TO

GO WHERE THE DOCUMENTS LEAD. >> MY CONCERN IS THAT I DON'T SEE WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT

AGREEMENT PROMOTES OR EVEN PROVIDES A LOOPHOLE FOR THIS. >> IT'S VERY CLEAR ABOUT THE NUMBER OF DOMESTIC STORAGE. IT'S VERY CLEAR ABOUT FUELING OVER THE WATER.

IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT THIS IS THAT HIGH QUALITY MAINTENANCE OF THE WATER IS JUST THE ABSOLUTE UTMOST IMPORTANCE. AND THAT BEING SAID, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT I ALSO TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IS I DID A SEARCH GOOGLE SEARCH. SO TAKE THIS FOR WHAT YOU WILL.

>> IT'S THE UTMOST AUTHORITY. >> GOOGLE'S AT THE NUMBER OF SLIPS AT SOME OF THE DOCKS

AND THE MARINAS IN THE AREA. >> AND SO IN DOING SO IT LOOKED LIKE HARBOR TOWN HAD 100 SLIPS MARINE THE PALMETTO MARINE I SAW HAD 100 SLIPS AND I SAW IT HAD ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY FOUR.

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SCHOOL KRIM MARINA HAD ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY NINE. >> SO WE'RE LOOKING APPROXIMATELY FIVE THIS GOLD PORT MARINA FREEPORT HAD 50 BROAD CREEK HAD 53 BEAUFORT DOWNTOWN MARINA HAD NINETY FOUR IT HAD SIXTY FIVE WET AND THEN ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY DRY.

>> SO THIS WOULD MAKE THIS THE LARGER ONE OF THE LARGEST AT FULL BUILD OUT.

>> IT WILL MAKE THE LARGEST IN BEAUFORT COUNTY AS FAR AS I CAN FIND AND EVEN AT THIS PHASE THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. KATHLEEN, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU.

>> COULD YOU PLEASE SPEAK UP? MY END. >> EVEN AT WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHAT'S ALREADY OCR PERMITTED IT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THE LARGEST IN BEAUFORT COUNTY AND I DON'T SEE A POPULATION BASE AROUND YOU AROUND PALMETTO BLUFF THAT SUPPORTS THAT FOR ONE AND TWO. I DON'T THINK PERMIT A BLUFF WAS INTENDED TO BE THIS INTENSE

TYPE OF A DEVELOPMENT. >> I TOOK A BOAT RIGHT OUT THERE THAT IS A VERY NARROW WATERWAY BY COMPARISON TO SOME OF THESE OTHER MARINAS. I WENT IN ALSO MEASURED THE MARINAS ON AERIALS. THAT HAS ME MAJORLY CONCERNED. AS ONE WOMAN MENTIONED, THE CRAB TRAPS. SO THERE ARE PEOPLE CURRENTLY USING THAT THAT THIS MAY ENCROACH ON THEIR SPACE. I DON'T I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHERE THOSE WERE IN REFERENCE TO THESE PLANTS THAT I'VE SEEN.

SO IT CERTAINLY CERTAINLY THE BOAT TRAFFIC WOULD IMPACT THEIR COMMERCE AS WELL.

THE GENTLEMAN WHO OWNS PROPERTY NEARBY, HIS DIMINISHING OF HIS VALUE TO HIS PROPERTY WOULD BE A MAJOR CONCERN TO ME AS WELL. SO I'M HAVING A HARD TIME SUPPORTING THIS.

LIKE CHARLIE SAID, COMMISSIONER SAID IF THIS DEVELOPS THAT THE SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT GIVES THEM THE 400 SLIPS WE'VE ALREADY LOST THAT BATTLE.

I CAN'T I CAN'T FIX THAT. NONE OF US CAN FIX THAT. BUT IF THE APPLICANT WAS WILLING TO CHANGE THE TERMS, THEN I THINK WE COULD POTENTIALLY RECONVENE TO LOOK AT A DIFFERENT RECOMMENDS. BUT AS IT'S CURRENTLY RECOMMENDED AND WHERE IF IF LIKE CHARLIE'S OR JR. CHAIRMAN SAID IF THEY WERE WILLING TO TAKE SOME OF THOSE WHAT SLIPS AND PUT THEM ON DRY STACK THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU CONSIDER BUT I'M NOT.

>> I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT WHAT'S BEFORE US. AS FOR WHEN I CAN COMMENT ON.

SO THAT IS MY LONG POLLINATION OF THAT. I CERTAINLY HAVE.

I MEAN I STILL HAVE QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF WITH THE FUELING IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH THE ACTIVITY THAT BRINGS. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHERE THOSE THOSE FUEL TANKS ARE, HOW BIG THOSE ARE. BUT THESE ARE DETAILS TO GET INTO THAT I'M NOT I DON'T THINK IS APPROPRIATE NECESSARILY TO GET INTO AT THE MOMENT. RIGHT.

SO I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT I APPRECIATE EVERYONE BEING HERE AND I'M KATHLEEN.

>> COME IN WITH AN OPEN MIND. I SEE IT BOTH WAYS BECAUSE I WORK IN THE BUSINESS AND I AM HERE REPRESENTING THE TOWN. SO VERY, VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR ALL OF US.

AND THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY HERE. AND I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T BE HERE WITHOUT EACH OTHER. AND I'M UNDER THE THE SAME VIEW AS MY COMMISSIONERS. SO I THINK THAT IF WE WERE READY WE COULD GO AHEAD AND

ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MR. IF I MAY INTERJECT JUST FOR YOU KNOW AGAIN DUE PROCESS REASONS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS AN AVERAGE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT WE NEED MAKE SURE THE STAFF AND APPLICANT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

OKAY. MICHAEL, DO YOU RESPOND THING ON PUBLIC COMMENT?

WE HAVE TO THE OWNERS. >> I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WANT TO SAY ANYTHING WILL OR JORDAN AS WELL. I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT HAVING GIVEN THEM THE OPPORTUNITY PREVIOUSLY. I JUST KIND OF SAT DOWN BEFORE THE ACTUAL OWNERS.

>> JORDAN KNOW IF YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING. >> ABSOLUTELY.

EVERYONE HEAR US? YES. YEAH.

OKAY. WELL, THANKS KEVIN FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND THANKS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR YOUR SERVICE. MY NAME IS JORDAN FORBES AND PARTNER WITH S3 PARTNERS. WE ARE THE GROUP THAT ACQUIRED BLUFF IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR.

WE. THIS PROPOSAL WAS WELL DOWN THE ROAD PRIOR TO OUR ACQUISITION AND WE ARE CONTINUING TO SUPPORT THOSE THAT CAME BEFORE US AND THEIR VISION.

WE INTEND TO FULLY COMPLY WITH THE LONG TERM GOALS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN CREATING A SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITY AND CONTINUING WHAT HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE US ALONG THOSE LINES. HARD HOWERTON THE ORIGINAL PLANNING FIRM BASED IN THE BAY AREA AS WELL AS NEW YORK ■WHO&-E FULLY BUY INTO THE ORIGINAL DESIGN DEVELOPMENT CRITERIA FOR

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OF OUR INVOLVEMENT WE SUPPORT THAT. >> WE SUPPORT THOSE WHO WHO THOUGHT THIS WAS THE APPROPRIATE ACTION BUT THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT THE NEW DEVELOPERS COMING IN AND TRYING TO SLIDE THROUGH. I THINK MIKE HAS POINTED OUT THERE'S THERE'S REAL REASON FOR CONSIDERATION HERE. BUT AGAIN WE ARE JORDAN AND MYSELF PATRICK MAULDIN AND CHRIS RANDOLPH, THE FOUR PARTNERS OF PALMETTO BLUFF.

WE LOOKED FOR TWO OF SOUTH STREET. WE LOOK FORWARD TO BECOMING A PART OF THE COMMUNITY THAT IS BLUFFTON. WE WERE DRAWN TO IT.

WE WE LOVE IT. WE LOVE WHAT YOU STAND FOR. WE LOVE WHAT PALMETTO BLUFF STANDS FOR AND WE WILL CONTINUE DOWN OR THAT TRADITION. SO THANKS FOR GIVING US THE TIME. I'LL BE SQUEAKERS AGAIN. I JUST WANT TO TOUCH ON A FEW THINGS THAT WENT THROUGH. NUMBER ONE, THE MARINA IS HAPPENING, RIGHT? THIS IS THIS IS OUR ACCESS TO WATER. PRIVATE DOCK RIGHTS AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT ROUTE WERE RELINQUISHED IN FAVOR OF TWO TECHNICALLY THREE WATER ACCESS POINTS TYPE A WATER ACCESS POINTS SPECIFICALLY ONE IT WILSON ONE AT BIG HOUSE WILSON WAS DOWNSIZED SMALL NO DOCK SIDE AH NO NO WATER SLIPS RIGHT.

I'LL DRY STACK SO THAT WE CAN PROTECT THE A RIVER RIGHT. SO THAT'S THE ONE THING.

ANOTHER THING IS I GO DOWN THIS I THINK JESSE WHITE MENTIONED RIGHT.

THIS DOES HAVE TO GO OUT FOR PUBLIC NOTICE. THIS IS THE FIRST STEP RIGHT FOR FOUR DOCKSIDE FUELING AND FOR DRY STACK WE DO HAVE TO GO IF WE ARE PERMITTED BY THE TOWN TO PURSUE ANY FURTHER WE STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH DE HECK. WE STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS. THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE REGULATED BY THEM.

SO THIS IS JUST THERE'S NO POINT GOING ANY FURTHER IF THE TOWN DOES NOT GIVE US THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS TO CHANGE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO ALLOW THESE THINGS TO HAPPEN.

SO DETECTIVES IS RESPONSIBLE FOR WATER QUALITY DO HERE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING SURE WE DO THINGS THE RIGHT WAY DOUBLE LINE FILL TANKS ANTHONY SIPHONING.

SO AGAIN THERE ARE REGULATION PLACE TO PROTECT THE WATER AND WE WILL OBVIOUSLY BE WORKING WITH THEM ON THAT AGAIN CLEAN MARINA'S WATER QUALITY TESTING WATER QUALITY TESTING CONTINUES DOWN A BIG HOUSE. RIGHT. SO WE ARE STILL WATER QUALITY TESTING TO THIS DAY. WE'VE BEEN DOING IT SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE PROPERTY SO THERE IS STILL WORK PROBABLY HAPPENING TO LEARN FROM THE HISTORY.

I WOULD SAY IF HISTORY SHOWN IS ANYTHING WE'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB, A DEVELOPMENT THOUGH FROM THE TIME WE STARTED IN 1998 I THINK WE'VE BEEN AN EXEMPLARY COMMUNITY.

>> WE HAVE SHOWN WHAT GOOD DEVELOPMENT CAN WE HAVE DONE PRESERVATION WE'VE GOT 5000 ACRES OF MANAGED FOREST AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED THE LAKE PLACES THAT ARE MOST SENSITIVE.

SO I WOULD SAY YES, TRUST THE HISTORY. WE HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB AND

WE'LL CONTINUE. GOOD JOB. >> AND THEN AGAIN BALANCING CAPITAL TO ENVIRONMENT. I FEEL LIKE WE CONTINUE TO DO THAT AS WELL AGAIN BY FOCUSING WATER ACCESS POINTS WHICH AGAIN WATER ACCESS POINT IS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE 2014 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT'S PROVIDE ACCESS TO WATER FOR RESIDENTS OF BLUFFTON.

SO THAT IS ACTUALLY PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WE CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

BUT AGAIN IN LOCALIZED AREAS AS OPPOSED TO PRIVATE DOCKS WHICH IS PRIMARILY HOW MOST FOLKS IN BLUFFTON GET ACCESS TO THE WATER AND I THINK FOR THE MOST PART I'LL LEAVE IT THAT THERE

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I MEAN THIS ISN'T LIKE IT'S A UNTOUCHED PIECE OF LAND. IT HAS BEEN PART OF THE CIVIC CULTURE EVEN AS RECENTLY AS CUTTING THE PINE TREES DOWN IN THE 80S.

WHAT ELSE DID I MISS? I THINK THAT'S MOST OF THE CONCERNS THAT I THINK I HEARD.

>> BUT YEAH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. QUESTIONS FOR KEVIN AND ADDRESS ARE WE GOOD? KEVIN , DO YOU HAVE ANY YET? NO, NO FURTHER COMMENTS.

AND THEN THIS IS MADAM CHAIRWOMAN AND I'M SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF AS YOU ALL WERE ABOUT EMOTION BUT JUST AGAIN FOR YELLS JUST AS A REMINDER FEEL YOUR ROLE TONIGHT IS TO PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION TO TOWN COUNCIL BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO EVALUATE THE CRITERIA THAT STAFF PROPOSAL HAS PRESENTED TO Y'ALL AND MAKE FINDINGS OF FACT CONCLUSIONS OF LAW RELATIVE THAT THOSE CRITERIA SO THEY CAN MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE PART OF EMOTIONS.

AND THEN IF I CAN MAKE ONE OTHER SMALL COMMENT THIS IS ONLY ONE MANY ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT WHICHEVER WAY Y'ALL VOTE, I'M JUST FOR THE FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE MINDFUL THAT THERE IS A LOT OF CONTINUING BUSINESS TO HAPPEN AFTERWARDS.

SO TO TRY TO BE MINDFUL AND QUIET AS POSSIBLE. THANK YOU.

ENTERTAIN THE MOTION. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT A PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS TOWN COUNCIL DENIAL OF THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED DUE TO THESE CHANGES FROM THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND ADDENDUMS AND WE BELIEVE THAT IT WAS CLEARLY STATED IN

THE PREVIOUS ABOUT THAT WE'LL JUST LEAVE IT THERE. >> THIS IS FOR AMENDMENT SECOND ARE YOU MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION FOR BOTH AMENDMENTS JUST LIKE JUST FIRST RIGHT NOW OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WHERE WE HAVE TO DO BRADLEY THERE ON THE SCREEN?

>> OH, THE DEVELOPMENT. WELL, LET ME JUST GO WITH I RECOMMEND TO DENY THE REQUEST BY POMONA BLUFF DEVELOPMENT LLC FOR A FIFTH AMENDMENT TO THE PALMETTO BLUFF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO PROVIDE FOR DOCKSIDE FEELING AND A SECOND DRY STACK BOTH STORAGE AT THE BIG HOUSE TRACKS AND SOME MARINA SECOND OR ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

>> WOULD THIS BE THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO DETAIL OUT THE ARE THE CRITERIA?

>> ABSOLUTELY. YOU'LL HAVE IT OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.

YOU CAN CERTAINLY BRING THAT UP AND THAT WILL SUPPLEMENT THE RECORD.

SO WE DO HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. SO IF YOU WANT TO SUPPLEMENT

THE RECORD THAT WAY THEY'D BE FANTASTIC. >> IT WOULD BE NICE IF THAT RECOMMENDATION ON DUE TO INCONSISTENCY WITH THE INTENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND CONSISTENCY WITH THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE NATURAL RESOURCES PORTION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE CLARITY OF THE ORIGINAL WITH ONE DRY STACK AND NO FUELING.

>> YEAH. YEAH. THAT ADDED IN THE MOTION.

WELL I THINK SINCE YOU ALREADY HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND THAT WAS MORE JUST SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION THAT HAS THAT HAS KIND OF AGAIN BEING USED TO SUPPORT THE THE BASIS OF THE MOTION AND JUST AGAIN FOR THE RECORD IF YOU ALL CAN MAKE SURE THAT YOU SPEAK TO YOUR MICROPHONES IN CASE THERE'S EVER AN APPEAL, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PICK UP ON

EVERYTHING THAT'S SAID. >> WELL THEN ALL IN FAVOR OF MY IMPOSED.

[VIII.2. Palmetto Bluff (Concept Plan Amendment – PUBLIC HEARING): A Request by Palmetto Bluff Development, LLC for a Second Amendment to the Palmetto Bluff Concept Plan to provide for]

ITEM NUMBER TWO UNDER ALL BUSINESS I CAN DO THAT I MOVE TO RECOMMEND DENYING THE REQUEST BY PALMETTO BLUFF DEVELOPMENT LLC FOR A SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE PALMETTO BLUFF CONCEPT PLAN TO PROVIDE FOR DOCKSIDE FUELING A SECOND DRY STACK BOAT STORAGE AT THE BIG HOUSE TRACKS ENSIGN MARIA BACON AND AND IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION WANT TO ADD TO THAT MIKE IT'S THE SAME CONDITIONS AS ALL IN FAVOR. I POE'S THANK YOU AND MOVE ON

[IX.1. Sora Wellness (Street Naming Application): A request by Grandview Care, Inc. for approval of a Street Naming Application for proposed roads within the Sora Wellness development plan. The proposed street names include Sea Myrtle Drive, Gallinule Lane, Sora Way, Archway Circle, and New River Avenue. The property is zoned Palmetto Bluff Planned Unit Development and is identified by Beaufort County tax map number R614 045 000 0068 0000 located at 441 Old Palmetto Bluff Road. (STR-09-21-15903) (Staff- Will Howard)]

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TO THE NEXT ITEM PLEASE. >> NEW BUSINESS THE SORT OF WELLNESS STREET NAMING APPLICATION REQUESTS BY GRANDVIEW CARE FOR APPROVAL STREET NAMING APPLICATION FOR PROPOSED ROADS WITHIN THE SAW WELLNESS DEVELOPMENT PLAN. WELL IF YOU WANT TO PRESENT THAT I'VE GOT TO RECUSE MYSELF FOR THIS ONE ALSO THAT SOMETHING ELSE?

>> OH YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS.

THIS IS A LITTLE LIGHTER NOTE THAN THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION TO WE HAVE A STRICT GAMING APPLICATION FOR SORA WELLNESS. THIS IS A REQUEST BY GRANDVIEW CARE FOR APPROVAL OF A STREET NAMING APPLICATION PLANNING COMMISSION HAS NOT SEEN THIS PLAN BUT THERE IS AN APPROVED PLAN FOR AN INDEPENDENT LIVING FACILITY WITHIN. WELL I'M AT A LOSS AND WE HAVE

A SHORT RECESS. >> PLEASE YOU'RE GOING TO ASK ME TO MADAM CHAIR IT JUST SO

SOME OF THE NOISE IN THE BACKGROUND. >> DOWN I'M DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

IF YOU WANT TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR JUST A THREE MINUTE RECESS AND THAT WAY WE'LL MAKE

SURE WE HAVE AT LEAST FOUR PLANNING COMMISSION OUT THERE. >> OH YEAH.

ENTERTAIN A WELL. >> RIGHT.

EVERY MOTION OURSELVES IN BACK IN AND OUT JUST GAVEL AND GAVEL TO GAVEL TO GAVEL.

OKAY. WELL CARRY ON. OKAY.

SO JUST AS I WAS SAYING THE PLAN DID AND WAS NOT REQUIRED TO COME TO A PLANNING COMMISSION THERE IS AN APPROVED INDEPENDENT LIVING FACILITY THAT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED WITHIN

PALMETTO BLUFF. >> SO FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT THEY ARE GOING TO REQUIRE STREET NAMES FOR ADDRESSING PURPOSES SO THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED THE FOLLOWING NAMES SEE MYRTLE DRIVE GALLON YOUR LANE SAW AWAY ARCHWAY CIRCLE AND NEW RIVER AVENUE TO BE USED FOR THE

STREET NAMES WITHIN THEIR DEVELOPMENT. >> AGAIN THIS IS WILL SERVE AS STREETS THAT WILL EVENTUALLY HAVE FORTY SEVEN SENIOR LIVING COTTAGES PLUS SOME ADDITIONAL

INFRASTRUCTURE MEDICAL OFFICES . >> THIS THE STREET NAMES ARE ALL VETTED AND APPROVED WITH ALL THE RESPECTIVE MUNICIPALITIES AND PRESENTED AND APPROVED BY THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE OCTOBER 13 OF THIS YEAR.

>> SO WITH A STREET NAMING APPLICATION AS GRANTED BY THE POWER SET FORTH IN THE MEDIA SECTION 2 2 6 C 5 THE PLANNING COMMISSION YOU HAVE THE FOLLOWING AUTHORITY OR THE AUTHORITY TO TAKE THE FOLLOWING ACTIONS WITH RESPECT TO THE APPLICATION YOU CAN'T APPROVE

IT AS SUBMITTED, APPROVE IT WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY IT. >> SO THERE ARE SEVERAL CRITERIA THAT WE LOOK AT WHEN APPROVING AND CONSIDERING STREET NAMES.

>> I CAN GO THROUGH EACH OF THEM INDIVIDUALLY BUT ALL OF THE NAMES THAT WERE

REQUESTED HAVE ALL SATISFIED THESE CRITERIA. >> SO TOWN STAFF FINDS THAT THE PROPOSED STREET NAMES ARE ALL ACCEPTABLE AND MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF ARTICLE 3

OF THE AUDIO AS STATED ABOVE. >> AND AGAIN WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU APPROVE THE FOLLOWING NAMES SUBMITTED SEE MYRTLE DRIVE GALLON YOUR LANE SAW AWAY ARCHWAY CIRCLE AND NEW RIVER

AVENUE. >> WELL HOW MANY DO THEY RIGHT NOW?

>> I'M JUST IT. I KNOW YOU GUYS TELL THEM BRING EXTRA STREET NAMES JUST IN CASE

AND SO THEY BROUGHT FIVE AND THEY NEED FIVE. >> WELL WE WE TELL THEM TO BRING EXTRA STREET NAMES SO THAT THEY GET THROUGH THE VETTING PROCESS WITH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES. SO ALL OF THESE NAMES HAVE SATISFIED AND BEEN VETTED BY THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND YET WE HAVE A NEW RIVER AVENUE AND WE HAVE NEW RIVER BOULEVARD

AND WE HAVE A NEW RIVER OAKS CIRCLE. >> WE ALSO HAVE ARCHWAY CIRCLE

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AS RECOMMENDED. >> BUT THERE'S AN ARCH DALE CIRCLE THAT EXISTS AGAIN.

I KNOW WE'VE TALKED WELL I DON'T KNOW HOW THESE KIND OF GET THROUGH LIKE THAT.

I KNOW YOU TOLD ME THAT ALL THE GROUPS REVIEW THEM BUT THOSE ARE PRETTY CLOSE ARCHWAY AND ARCH DALE CIRCLE THIS CASE THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE WE SHOULD HAVE HAD A COUPLE MORE NAMES.

>> ARE YOU GUYS RECOMMENDING ITEM? >> MADAM COMMISSIONER.

SO AGAIN, THESE ALL BEEN VETTED THROUGH ALL OF THE VARIOUS YOU KNOW, 9 1 1 OPERATORS.

>> SO FOR FOR PURPOSES OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT THESE ARE ALL ACCEPTABLE NAMES, RIGHT? I KNOW LIKE THE LAST TIME THERE WERE SOME THAT WERE VERY CLOSE TO OTHER NAMES. SO THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T RECOMMEND THOSE APPROVED THOSE.

SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S COMFORTABLE WITH THESE WHILE I DOWN THERE NOW

I'M LOOKING HERE. >> I WOULD JUST ASK. I MEAN THERE'S THERE'S A REASON WHY IT COMES BEHIND US. IT'S THE FINAL CHECK, THE FINAL VETTING BEFORE IT GETS DONE.

AND I WOULD JUST ASK STAFF IN THE FUTURE IF WE CAN MAKE SURE THERE ARE A COUPLE EXTRA NAMES IN THERE IN CASE THERE'S ONE OR TWO. THE COMMISSION IS NOT COMFORTABLE WITH NOW. I DON'T KNOW HOW THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS FEEL BUT I I'M NOT. THERE'S NO HELD A DIE ON HERE FOR ME.

BUT IT JUST WOULD. IT JUST WOULD HELP IF THERE'S AN UNCOMFORTABLE ONE AND YOU

KNOW THE I'M IN THE SAME PLACE. >> IF IF WE'RE GONNA DO OUR JOB THEN THEY HAVE TO BRING MORE WARNINGS IN CASE THIS AND IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE 20 EXTRA 20 .

ONE OF THEM DID THAT. THE SO I GUESS WE NEED TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND A MOTION TO PROVE THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT A SECOND.

>> YES. SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR.

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>> I THINK YOU WILL. >> THANK YOU. OKAY.

>> THE NEXT ITEM IS THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE AMENDMENT.

AND THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL. DO I NEED TO ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT THAT THIS IS A ANOTHER PROPOSED PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE VIDEO? ANOTHER ONE WHERE WE HAVE THE SOUTH CAROLINA STATUTE THAT REQUIRES PUBLIC HEARING.

SO WE WILL HAVE TO OPEN THIS UP THERE. I THINK ONE TWO, THREE, THREE AGENDA ITEMS ALL IN A ROW BUT WE COULD DO JUST LIKE WE DID WITH THEM AT A BLUFF.

OPEN IT UP FOR A SINGLE SINGLE PUBLIC HEARING ON THOSE. IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD PREFER, WE'LL OPEN IT FIRST THING OR PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN WE WILL RECOMMEND THESE

SEPARATE THEN WE WOULD RECOMMEND THEM SEPARATELY. >> OR IS THAT JUST A IS IT?

>> AND LET'S SEE HOW IT'S STRUCTURED AND I'M SORRY I HAVE TO DEFER TO STAFF IF THEY WERE GOING TO PRESENT EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY OR PRESENT THEM I WILL PRESENT ALL THREE TOGETHER AND YOU CAN MAKE THREE SEPARATE MOTIONS FOR EACH ONE AND THERE ARE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

>> SO WE DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT IT. >> I'M JUST OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION. HAVE THE MOTION TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING GET THE SECOND HAD THE VOTE ON PUBLIC HEARING. OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING. DO THE FIRST CALL SINGLE THIRD

CALL. NO ONE STEPS UP CLOSE. >> OKAY.

I'LL TRY THIS AGAIN. AND I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN FOR PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE UNIFIED GOVERNMENT. AUDIENCE AMENDMENTS ALL THREE AT THE SAME TIME.

I MOVED BACK IN SECOND AND THEN YOU NEED A VOTE. >> TIME MAY ALL IN FAVOR.

HI. AND THEN I NEED TO OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

NO IT IS NOT. >> IT IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

IF YOU'LL DO THE FIRST CALL RIGHT FIRST CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> SECOND CALL WERE CLOSED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN JUST DO A MOTION OF CLOSED PUBLIC COMMENT. MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT? I MOVED I HAVE A ALL IN FAVOR. OKAY. NOW CHARLOTTE.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SORRY ABOUT THAT NOW.

WELL, THAT WAS ME. I WAS ABOUT TO WRITE ME ON WHAT SOMEBODY CUT HIS MIKE OFF.

>> NO, GLADLY. >> A LOT GOING ON. >> HE AND SO THERE ARE THREE ITEMS RELATING TO EDITS TO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE THAT HAVE A RELATIONSHIP TO

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THERE ARE SEVERAL INITIATIVES THAT INCLUDE ALIGNING THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT WITH THE NATIONAL REGISTER AND EXPLAIN THAT QUICKLY. THE AREA THAT YOU SEE IN GREEN IS THE OLD TOWN BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT. THAT'S OUR LOCAL DISTRICT THAT DOES INCLUDE THE AREA IN ORANGE WHICH IS OUR NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT.

SO THE THOUGHT THERE WAS TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THAT NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT COULD BE EXPANDED A BIT MORE TO ALIGN WITH THE GREEN AREA AND JOIN SO WE DID A AND UPDATED HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY FOR THE TOWN IN 2019 TO IDENTIFY WHETHER THAT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE.

THAT SURVEY INCLUDED A SURVEY OF THE BACK ISLANDS SIMMONS BILL AND GO ROAD CORRIDORS TO IDENTIFY WHETHER OR NOT THERE WERE POTENTIALLY MAY BE MORE RESOURCES THAT ARE HISTORIC AND THAT PROCESS OF THAT SURVEY OVER 400 PROPERTIES WERE REVIEWED BY ARKANSAS'S TONIGHT AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT MORE IN JUST A MOMENT. THE OTHER INITIATIVE IS PROACTIVE PRESERVATION OF CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES. IF I RECALL WE DISCUSSED THIS A COUPLE OF MONTHS GO IT MOVE FORWARD TO TOWN COUNCIL AND COUNCIL DIDN'T PARTICULARLY LIKE THE WAY THAT IT WAS STRUCTURED. SO WE'VE RESTRUCTURED THAT ORDINANCE A LITTLE BIT TO BE MORE OF A GRANT PROGRAM. AND THEN THE THIRD INCENTIVE WOULD BE FOR FINANCIAL INCENTIVES WHICH I WILL DISCUSS WITH YOU.

RELATED TO THIS IS ANOTHER GO AT IT. IT'S NOT A AND IT'S AN INITIATIVE OF THIS STRATEGIC PLAN BUT IT CAME UP IN THE PROCESS THE OTHER THREE AND THAT IS TO RECONSIDER HOW WE DESIGNATE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES.

SO I'LL TALK ABOUT ALL OF THESE BRIEFLY AND PROVIDE SOME HIGHLIGHTS TO YOU.

SO THE THREE AMENDMENTS TONIGHT WOULD BE TO SECTION NINE POINT TWO TERMS AND DEFINITION.

WE HAVE SOME NEW TERMS THAT WE WANT TO INCLUDE INCLUDING DEFINITIONS AND THEN WE WE WE WOULD NEED TO UPDATE THE APPLICABLE SECTIONS OF BDO. WE DO HAVE A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE SECTION OR STRUCTURE SECTION RIGHT NOW WHICH WE WANT TO RENAME CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES. A FEW AMENDMENTS TO THAT AND THEN WE WANT TO INCLUDE THE PROACTIVE PRESERVATION AND MAINTENANCE OF CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AS A NEW SECTION TO BDO. SO BRIEFLY HERE THERE ARE SEVEN TERMS HERE THAT WE ARE EITHER PROPOSING BE REVISED NEW TERMS TO HE ADDED WE WANT TO BE REPEALED THE MOST SIGNIFICANT OF THESE IS OUR CURRENT DEFINITION OF CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.

AS I MENTIONED THE 2019 SURVEY INCLUDED OVER 400 PROPERTIES IF WE WERE TO ADOPT THAT 2019 SURVEY NEXT WEEK OR IN DECEMBER AS IS PROPOSED WITHOUT CHANGING THIS DEFINITION.

IT WOULD IMPLY THAT THE 400 PROPERTIES THAT WERE SURVEYED WERE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES WHICH THEY ARE NOT. SO WE DO NEED TO MAKE A CHANGE TO THIS EXISTING DEFINITION AND THIS IS THE DEFINITION THAT IS PROPOSED. IT WILL INCLUDE ALL OF THE 2008 PROPERTIES THAT ARE IDENTIFIED CURRENTLY YEAR ON OR CONTRIBUTOR STRUCTURES MAP.

THAT DOES INCLUDE 82 STRUCTURES AND TWO OF THE COVES HAYWARD AND HUGUES COVE .

WE ALSO INCLUDE IN THIS THAT IT WOULD INCLUDE ANY NEW ANY NEW STRUCTURES OR ANY OTHER RESOURCES THAT THE TOWN MIGHT ADD. THERE IS A REFERENCE HERE AND ARE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE DEFINITION WHICH IS NEW. AND THE REASON WHY I AM USING THE TERM RESOURCE. WE DON'T HAVE STRUCTURES OR BUILDINGS.

WE HAVE OTHER THINGS SUCH AS THE TWO COVES THAT I'VE MENTIONED.

SO THIS WILL BE A MORE COMPREHENSIVE TERM TO CAPTURE THAT.

SO WE REFER IT TO OUR MAP AS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE MAP AND AS I'VE INDICATED HERE ON THE PROPOSED DEFINITION THEN THERE WILL BE A MAP THAT WILL BE THE OFFICIAL LIST AND THAT WOULD MOVE FORWARD SEPARATELY NOT AS PART OF THE UTICA BUT IT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO TOWN COUNCIL TO ADOPT BY RESOLUTION THAT WE HAVE A TERM HERE HISTORIC RESOURCE THERE WILL BE SOME HISTORIC BUILDINGS POSSIBLY THAT ARE NOT WITHIN OLD TOWN THAT DO NOT CONTRIBUTE TO THE

OLD TOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT. >> SO THAT WOULD BE A NEW DEFINITION.

AND THEN AS I INDICATED THAT THERE ARE SOME RELATED AMENDMENTS BECAUSE OF THE NEW TERMS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO CHANGE IF THE IF THE TERMS ARE APPROVED.

SO THAT'S AN OVERVIEW OF THE TERMS DEFINITIONS, THE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE CRITERIA . RIGHT NOW WE DO REFERENCE ONLY CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AGAIN THERE'S POTENTIAL THAT WE HAVE OBJECTS OR SITES THAT WE WANT TO INCLUDE AS CONTRIBUTING.

SO WE THERE WOULD BE A CHANGE THAT WE ARE REFINING THE DESIGNATION CRITERIA ANY NEW

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SO THERE'S THAT IT WOULDN'T BE POSSIBLE FOR THE TOWN TO DESIGNATE STRUCTURES WITHOUT INPUT FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER. WE DO WANT TO INCLUDE ALL REFINERS SECTION TYPICALLY RESOURCES OR 50 YEARS OR OLDER IN CERTAIN CASES EXCEPTIONAL CASES THEY MAY BE LESS THAN 50 YEARS OLD SO THERE'S SOME REFINEMENT THERE AS WELL. AND WE'VE ALSO INDICATED THAT THE NAP WOULD HAVE TO BE UPDATED IF ANY RESOURCES WERE REMOVED OR ADDED.

SO THAT'S THE OVERVIEW OF THAT SECTION. I INCLUDED THE CRITERIA HERE.

I'M NOT GOING THROUGH ALL OF THAT BUT YOU CAN SEE IT'S PRETTY EXTENSIVE 10 TENANTS TO BE A LITTLE BIT REDUNDANT. WE ARE PROPOSING THAT THE CRITERIA BE MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU'D FIND FOR THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE AND IDENTIFYING A NATIONAL REGISTER PROPERTY. AND WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED THE FACT THAT IT SHOULD RETAIN ITS INTEGRITY OF LOCATION DESIGN STUDY MATERIALS, WORKMANSHIP, FEELING AND ASSOCIATION.

SO THERE A LITTLE BIT OF A HIGHER STANDARD HERE IN DESIGNATING A CONTRIBUTING

RESOURCE. >> AND THEN FINALLY THIS YOU'VE REVIEWED BEFORE THE PROACTIVE

PRESERVATION PROPOSAL. >> SO AS WE PREVIOUSLY INDICATED THAT THERE WOULD BE A FORMAL PETITION FOR THIS PROCESS. AND THE PRACTICE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE IS INTENDED TO ALLOW THE TOWN TO INTERVENE IN SITUATIONS WHERE A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IS SHOWING DETERIORATION. AND THE POINT IS FOR THE TOWN TO INTERVENE EARLY SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT MATTER RESOLVED AND WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER TO CREATE A PRESERVATION PLAN. SO WE'LL BE LESS FORMAL THAN PREVIOUSLY. THIS IS INTENDED TO BE A GRANT PROGRAM.

THE CONDITIONS OF NEGLECT WERE A BIT MORE EXTENSIVE BEFORE AND VERY SPECIFIC THINGS LIKE PULLING AWAY THE CHIMNEY MAYBE SOME STRUCTURAL ISSUES. YOU KNOW THAT PIERS MAY BE DETERIORATING SO IT'S A BIT BROADER. NOW ONE THING WE HAVE INCLUDED IS VEGETATIVE GROWTH. IF THERE WAS ANY POTENTIAL OVERGROWTH THAT MAY BE OCCURRING TO BE ABLE TO HELP THE PROPERTY OWNER WITH THAT. WE HAVE REMOVED THE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP PROVISIONS AS WELL. SO IT'S NOT NECESSARY IF IF THE PROPERTY IS HAVING SOME DIFFICULTY PAYING FOR WHATEVER THE REQUIREMENTS ARE TO BRING THAT THE PROPERTY UP TO AN IMPROVED STATE AND THAT THAT WON'T BE NECESSARY ANYMORE. I KNOW THERE IS A CONCERN ON COUNCIL ABOUT DISCUSSING FINANCIAL ISSUES PUBLICLY AND BECAUSE THIS IS NOW GOING TO BE A GRANT PROGRAM THAT WILL NOT BE NECESSARY. SO THE PLAN WILL ACTUALLY VARY BY PROPERTY OWNER AND CIRCUMSTANCE. SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH PROPERTY OWNERS AS IS NEEDED SO THAT REALLY IS AN OVERVIEW VERY QUICKLY OF ALL THESE THREE VARIOUS AMENDMENTS . THERE IS THE REVIEW CRITERIA THAT HAS TO BE CONSIDERED. THERE ARE FIVE INCLUDING WHETHER OR NOT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHICH IT IS. THERE ARE ACTUALLY TWO GOALS IN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RELATED TO PROVIDING FINANCIAL INCENTIVES AS WELL AS A PROACTIVE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE. SO WE'RE FINALLY MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.

IT'S A YOU COULD SAY AT BEST PLANNING PRACTICE AS WELL AS A SUSTAINABLE ONE TO PRESERVE OUR OLDER BUILDINGS AND THEN FOR THE PRICE AREA 3 AND 4 THEY REALLY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A DIRECT RELATIONSHIP AND THIS DOES COMPLY WITH THE APPLICATIONS MANUAL.

SO MOVING FORWARD THESE WILL BE REVIEWED BY TOWN COUNCIL NEXT WEEK AND IF THEY APPROVE THEM THEN MOVING FORWARD IN DECEMBER FOR APPROVAL IF IT IS APPROVED IN DECEMBER THEY WOULD BE IN

EFFECT JANUARY 1ST. >> AND THEN I'VE IDENTIFIED SOME OTHER THINGS RELATED TO PRESERVATION THAT ARE ALSO MOVING FORWARD INCLUDING ADOPTION OF THE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE MAP DECEMBER THE PRESENTATION OF THE 2019 HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY AND OUR AGREEMENT PROGRAMS WHICH WILL GET AT THE INCENTIVES I MENTIONED EARLIER.

>> THANK YOU. >> QUESTIONS FOR CHARLOTTE. I DO.

ONE OF THE COMMENTS HE MADE AT LEAST I THINK I HEARD WAS THAT YOU DEVELOPED SOME OF THE VERBIAGE FROM THE NATIONAL HISTORIC REGISTRY. IS THAT CORRECT? AND IS THAT INCLUSIVE? THERE'S THE WORD FEELING IS IN HERE USE SEVERAL TIMES WHICH I FIND TO BE AN AMBIGUOUS TERM THAT WOULD BE AWFULLY DIFFICULT TO UPHOLD IN COURT.

I ACTUALLY I'M KIND OF LAUGHING BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO COME UP. YEAH.

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SO IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE TAKING DIRECTLY IN THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE.

>> I DO NOT FEEL IT'S FEELING DEFINED AS JUST AS YOU HAVE USED JUST ARTICULATED WHAT THAT

MEANS IS A SENSE OF PLACE. >> IS THAT DEFINED IN HERE? NO, IT'S NOT DEFINED.

IT'S NOT DEFINED. I'M TRYING TO DEFINE WITHOUT WORDS.

I CAN TELL YOU IT'S UNDER THE AUDIO SECTION NINE POINT TO DEFINE TERMS CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE MENTIONS FEELING BUT I DON'T SEE WHERE IT SAYS I'M FOR BUT I DON'T SEE WHERE IT

SAYS THERE. >> YEAH. AND IT MENTIONS FEELING BUT I

DON'T SEE WE'RE FEELING IT. >> AND LIKE I SAID I ACTUALLY LOOKED THAT UP AS WELL BECAUSE I DID WONDER ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR TERM AND THAT IS DIRECTLY FROM THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE. IS THIS SOMETHING THE TOWN FEELS IS REALLY IMPORTANT FIELDS HAHA. IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT SPECIFIC WORDING BE USED.

NO IT'S NOT NECESSARY BUT I'M GOING TO HAVE OUR HISTORY AS COMMENT ON THAT.

>> OKAY. HOW DO YOU FEEL NOW? I FEEL GREAT.

>> SO CAUGHT IN THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE. >> THEY DID FINE FEELING AS A PROPERTY'S EXPRESSION OF THE AESTHETIC OR HISTORIC SENSE OF A PARTICULAR PERIOD OF TIME RESULTS FROM THE PRESENCE OF PHYSICAL FEATURES THAT TAKEN TOGETHER CONVEY THE PROPERTY'S HISTORIC CHARACTER. FOR EXAMPLE, A RURAL HISTORIC DISTRICT WHICH RETAINS ITS ORIGINAL DESIGN MATERIALS WORKMANSHIP AND SAID WE'LL RELATE THE FEELING

OF AGRICULTURAL LIFE IN THE 19TH CENTURY. >> IS THERE A POSSIBILITY OF REFERENCING THAT IN THIS DOCUMENT? THAT'S A DEFINITION.

YEAH, OR WHERE OR WHERE CONCERN QUESTIONS COME UP REGARDING DEFINITIONS OF WORDS.

REFER TO THE NATIONAL HISTORIC REGISTRY. >> I THINK WE CAN CERTAINLY

PROVIDE A LINK TO THAT TO THIS DOCUMENT FOR REFERENCE. >> IT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION THAT THAT SINCE OBVIOUSLY THAT'S THE BENCHMARK .

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IN THE DOCUMENT ITSELF IT REFERENCES THE NATIONAL HISTORIC REGISTRY AS THE BENCHMARK AS TO HOW THIS WAS YOU KNOW THIS PATTERN WAS ESTABLISHED PERHAPS IF WE MAKE THAT REFERENCE THAT I DON'T KNOW LEGALLY IF THAT COVERS US. BUT THAT WAY AT LEAST THERE'S A

DEFINITION FOR WHAT FEELING IS FEELINGS. >> YEAH, WELL I THINK AGAIN IF IF I MAY I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR ME ANY MORE BUT WE LOVE YOU POSED A QUESTION TO ME.

>> SO DID THE AS FAR AS PROVIDING AN ADDITIONAL DEFINITION FROM A SOMETIMES FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE BECAUSE AGAIN THIS ORDINANCE IS A

RESTRICTION ON PROPERTY TO A CERTAIN DEGREE. >> WELL, IF YOU HAVE A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DEVELOP IT AS FULLY AS YOU MAY OTHERWISE.

BUT BECAUSE THIS HAS TO DO WITH HISTORIC STRUCTURES AND CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES WHICH YOU KNOW ENCOMPASSES THE SORT OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS STATE AND BRINGS IN THE NATIONAL THE REFERENCES TO THE NATIONAL REGISTRY REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.

IT MAY IN MY OPINION NOT BE IN IT JUST ENTIRELY NECESSARY. WE HAVE THAT DEFINITION AS A FEDERAL I UNDERSTAND IT IS A FEDERAL DEFINITION THAT WE CAN RELY UPON AND WE ARE USING THIS. WE HAVE INCORPORATED THE FEDERAL DEFINITION JUST AGAIN PROVIDE THAT KIND OF IT SEEMS LIKE THEY WANT A VERY EXPANSIVE DEFINITION ONE THAT ISN'T ONE THAT'S FLEXIBLE WITH TIME SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING IS HISTORIC BECAUSE IT MEETS ONE OF THE FOUR VERY, VERY CLEAR CRITERIA. BUT NO RATHER IT CONTRIBUTES TO THE OVERALL FEELING OF THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO I THINK I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE RETAIN THE FLEXIBILITY OF THAT TERM. BUT ALSO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S ENTIRELY NECESSARY THAT WE INCORPORATE A SPECIFIC DEFINITION.

I'LL HAVE TO LOOK THROUGH THE UDA. THERE MAY ALSO BE PROVISIONS STUDIO THAT SAY IN THE EVENT OF AN AMBIGUITY TO REFER TO THESE MATERIALS.

SO I CAN LOOK INTO THAT AS WELL. BUT I DO THINK I MEAN IT'S A

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RIGHT. AND SO I'LL LOOK INTO THAT AND SEE IF I CAN.

WE CAN'T FIGURE SOMETHING OUT THERE. AND THIS IS OUR MOTION WILL BE

FOR A RECOMMENDATION. >> CORRECT. TOWN COUNCIL LEAD?

>> I BELIEVE SO. YES. >> YES.

THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION. SO WE CAN ADD THAT IN THE RECOMMENDATION AS TO HAVE YOU

LOOK INTO THE MATTER OR I'LL. >> AND I CAN JUST LOOK INTO IT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO.

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT THAT INTO THE RECOMMENDATION SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO OH IF THERE'S AN ISSUE I WOULD SAY JUST LET US LOOK INTO IT AND WE'LL SEE WHAT WE NEED TO DO

AND MAKE SURE THAT IS ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED. >> YEAH.

>> THIS IS UNDER THIS IS SECTION 3 POINT ONE A POINT THREE POINT G APPLICATION REVIEW CRITERIA AND ITEM F THE HISTORIC ARCHITECTURAL AND AESTHETIC FEATURES OF THE RESOURCE INCLUDING THE EXTENT TO WHICH ITS ALTERATIONS OR REMOVAL WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST. I WONDERED IF WE DON'T INCLUDE ENVIRONMENTAL SO THE HISTORIC ARCHITECTURAL, ENVIRONMENTAL AND AESTHETIC FEATURES SO I DIDN'T CAUSE YOU MENTIONED SPECIFICALLY WHEN YOU MENTIONED THE COVE . THAT'S WHAT REMINDED ME OF THINGS THAT ARE ENVIRONMENTAL IN NATURE WHICH THIS I MEAN ARGUABLY COULD

CONSIDER HISTORIC. >> I JUST WONDERED IF SPECIFICALLY MAKING AN ALLOCATION OF FOR ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES MIGHT ALSO BE ADVANTAGEOUS AS WE DO THIS OR MAYBE IT'S NOT NECESSARY, MAYBE IT'S REDUNDANT, MAYBE IT WOULD CAUSE LACK OF CLARITY.

BUT I'M JUST HEY DON'T HAVE THAT PULLED OUT JUST AT THE MOMENT TO UNDERSTAND THE

SPECIFIC COMMENT. >> WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT IF YOU'RE REVIEWING IF YOU'RE REVIEWING SOMETHING THAT IT WHERE IF SOME IF THIS ITEM WAS REMOVED RIGHT.

>> THERE'S A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT TO PUBLIC INTEREST. THAT'S THE CRITERIA FOR WHICH THE APPLICATION IS BEING REVIEWED. AND RIGHT NOW IT'S WORTH REFERENCING HISTORIC ARCHITECTURAL AND AESTHETIC FEATURES.

I WONDERED IF WE DON'T ADD ART ENVIRONMENTAL AS A PART OF THAT AS WELL.

>> IT COULD BE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SITES INCLUDED AS A POTENTIAL RESOURCE.

SO I DON'T SEE THAT AS BEING INAPPROPRIATE. IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY HAVE TO ADD THAT WORD IT MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT WE APPLY IN ALL CASES DEPENDING ON THE NATURE OF THE RESOURCE. RIGHT. BUT IF IT IS THE SITE FEATURE PERHAPS IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE . I JUST WANTED IT TO BE SOMETHING THAT MAYBE I WANT A DISCUSSION THAT MAY BE ON THE TABLE.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE POTENTIALLY ADDED. I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT HAS TO BE JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AND THINK ABOUT HOW THAT FEELING THING COMES UP SEVERAL

TIMES THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THESE DOCUMENTS. >> ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS.

>> SO INTO THE LAST OR THIS IS ITEM FOUR ON THE AGENDA WHICH IS THE AMENDMENTS TO THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 23 UNIFIED DEPARTMENT ORDINANCE.

>> ARTICLE 3 APPLICATION PROCESSES TO ESTABLISH SECTION THREE POINT TO SIX PRACTICE PRESERVATION MAINTENANCE THERE IS UNKNOWN OR ATTACHMENT ONE'S CONDITIONS OF NEGLECT.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OCCURRED TO ME AS I WAS READING THIS WAS YOU KNOW WE'RE SUBJECT TO STORM DAMAGE HERE, YOU KNOW BE HURRICANES OR WHATEVER AND THAT CAN HAVE VARYING EFFECTS ON A PROPERTY. I DIDN'T KNOW HOW YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S EVEN IF THERE WAS FIRE OR SOMETHING THAT CAUSED DAMAGE TO THE PROPERTY. THIS ISN'T A NEGLIGENT ISSUE THAT WOULD CAUSE A CONVERSATION BETWEEN SOMEBODY WHO HAS THAT HISTORIC PROPERTY AND THE TOWN . BUT WITH AN ADVENT OF AN EVENT, HOW IS THAT THEN ADDRESSED? YOU KNOW, WITH THE WITH SOMEBODY THAT OWNS A HISTORIC OR RESORT RESOURCE.

SO A I WOULD ASSUME IT DEPENDS ON THE NATURE OF THE DESTRUCTION.

>> I MEAN IF THERE IS POTENTIAL FOR US TO INTERVENE AND ASSIST WITH THE RECONSTRUCTION OF WHATEVER THAT RESOURCES IF IT CAN BE RECONSTRUCTED AND I DON'T KNOW IF RICHARDSON IF YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING I'M SORRY I'M I'M KIND OF STILL KIND OF THINKING ABOUT YOUR QUESTION

A LITTLE BIT. >> I MEAN IT'S PRETTY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT TO DO, WHAT IT GOES THROUGH AND DEFINES CONDITIONS NEVERTHELESS NEGLECT AND HOW IT'S PROCESSED.

>> I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IS IT DOESN'T. IT DOESN'T ADDRESS THINGS THAT MIGHT EXACERBATE AN ISSUE OR SOME SOMETHING THAT COULD HAVE BEEN CAUSED BY AN EVENT THAT WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE BEEN A CONDITION PREVIOUS TO THAT EVENT AND HOW THAT'S ADDRESSED

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SO COMMISSIONER DUNCAN, IF I CAN TRY TO ADDRESS THOSE THAT QUESTION KIND OF BROADLY AND

THEN A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFICALLY. >> YOU KNOW, ANYTIME THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A FIRE OR STORM DAMAGE, IDEALLY THERE WOULD BE A PRIVATE HOMEOWNER'S INSURANCE THAT WOULD COVER THAT AND BE ABLE TO BRING THIS BACK TO A CERTAIN STATE.

BUT LET'S LET'S JUST ASSUME THAT THERE'S NOT BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS ORDINANCE IS DESIGNED PROTECT AGAINST IS NEGLECT OR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES FAILING AND SO THAT WE CAN NO LONGER PRESERVE THEM. THE IDEA IS NOT TO LIMIT IT AS TO NECESSARILY THE ROOT CAUSE OF THE NEGLECT, WHETHER IT IS A CHANCE OCCURRENCE DUE TO TO FIRE OR STORM OR WHETHER IT IS

DUE TO A YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS OF NEGLECT. >> AND THE IDEA THAT THIS THESE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES OF SUCH IMPORTANCE TO THE TOWN THAT IF IN THE EVENT THAT THEY CAN BE PRESERVED UNDER PRESERVATION PLAN A REASONABLE PRESERVATION PLAN THAT THEY WILL BE NOW OBVIOUSLY IF THERE'S A FIRE THAT DESTROYS OUR I'M SPEAKING OFF THE CUFF A LITTLE BIT HERE.

I HAVEN'T SPOKEN STAFF ABOUT THIS BUT MY PRESUMPTION IS IF THERE'S A FIRE THAT DESTROYED 75 PERCENT OF A BUILDING THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A REALISTIC PRESERVATION PLAN TO BE ABLE TO PUT INTO PLACE THAT COULD BE ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE FOR THE APPLICANTS.

BUT ULTIMATELY THIS PROCESS AND THIS ORDINANCE PROVIDES THAT SORT OF DIALOG THAT OPENS UP OPENS THAT UP TO THE APPLICANT TO THE TOWN TO KIND OF DISCUSS THESE ISSUES.

SO AS FAR AS TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION STORM DAMAGE, FIRE DAMAGE.

>> I THINK THAT THIS DOES AND THAT'S THAT'S WHY WE'VE MY STAFF HAS CREATED THIS BROAD LANGUAGE AROUND CONDITIONS OF NEGLECT BUT ALSO HAS SOMEWHAT LIMITED AS TO KNOW SOMEWHAT MAJOR CONDITIONS OF NEGLECT VERSUS I THINK SOME OF THE OTHER ONES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP AND SOME OF THE OTHER ORDINANCES WHICH ARE MUCH MORE MINOR MINOR ISSUES.

SO I HOPE THAT ADDRESSES YOUR QUESTION. >> YEAH.

AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION THAT I HAD. ATTACHMENT 3 IS WAS THAT IN HERE JUST FOR REFERENCE AS TO WHAT IT PREVIEWED WHAT IT WAS WE DID PREVIOUSLY HAVEN'T DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT ORDINANCE AND WE DID WE DO YOU DID ELIMINATE THE SAFEGUARDS FROM

UNDUE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP SO THAT WE DID. >> OKAY GREAT.

THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTIONS. APPRECIATE IT. I THINK SO.

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD BUT I DO HAVE THE MOTION AVAILABLE FOR YOU ON EACH ITEM.

BUT THERE ARE TWO KIND OF RELATED ITEMS THAT CERTAIN RICHARDSON HOW WE'D LIKE TO

HANDLE THAT. >> COMMISSIONER DUNCAN IT MENTIONED TWO POTENTIAL ISSUES THAT MAY MODIFY THIS MOTION TO RECOMMEND. THE FIRST ONE WAS THE USE OF THE TERM FEELING IN THE SECOND ONE WAS INCORPORATION OF THE WORD ENVIRONMENTAL INTO ONE OF THE PROPOSED ORDINANCES . AND I'M SORRY IF YOU COULD COMMISSIONER DUNCAN IF YOU WOULD A MAN IDENTIFYING WHICH PRECISE ORDINANCE THAT WAS IF YOU WANT TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE WRECK INTO YOUR MOTION.

SO IF IT'S A MOVE TO APPROVE AMENDMENTS AS STATED THAT THEY ARE SUBJECT TO ADDING THE WORD ENVIRONMENTAL INTO SECTION SOME BELIEVE THAT WAS THE CRITERIA ONE SET THOUGH THE ONE RELATED TO FEELING WOULD RELATE TO MOTION ONE I THINK THIS IS THIS IS FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL REALLY ENVIRONMENTAL AND IT WAS THAT TO THE DEFINITION THAT'S TO THE DESIGNATION OF CONTRIBUTING

RESOURCES. >> SO THAT WOULD BE THE SECOND MOTION AND I.

RICHARDSON I'D KIND OF SLIDE UP THERE LATER TO THAT. LET'S THEN ENTERTAIN MOTION FOR

THE FIRST ITEM. >> THAT'S THE ONE WITH THE FEELING.

>> YEAH I'M JUST WONDERING IF I DID COMPLICATE A NINE. YOU'RE SAYING NINE POINT TWO SO BECAUSE NINE POINT TWO APPEARS IN THAT FIRST PACKET AND ON THE AGENDA IT WOULD BE ITEM NUMBER

TWO. >> ITEM NUMBER TWO STRATEGIC PLAN INITIATIVE PARAGRAPH.

>> SO THAT'S THEM. >> SO THAT'S THAT'S WHY I'M I'M JUST CURIOUS WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE AND SEE WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE WORD FEELING AND THAT RELATES TO

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DEFINITION OF CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. >> YEAH, I FEEL IT SHOULD BE PART OF THAT FIRST MOTION THE FEELING ONE IS PART OF THAT FIRST NOTION.

>> YES. AS IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL APPLICATION CRITERIA WITH IT WITHIN THE CONTENTS OF THAT FIRST PACKAGE. SO THE APPLICATION CRITERIA WOULD RELATE TO THE SECOND MOTION THE APPLICATION PROCESS DESIGNATION OF CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES THE FIRST MOTION IS WITH THE FIRST PACKET THE I'M JUST THIS IS WHERE I'M CONFUSED THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT ITEMS ON THE AGENDA IN THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA OF THE THREE THAT'S WHERE THE CONTENTS OF THIS OCCUR RIBAUT SAY I MISS A SECOND.

>> THERE'S TWO MOTIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT ONE AGENDA ITEM NO THERE'S THERE'S THREE SEPARATE AGENDA ITEMS. SO THE TERMS AND DEFINITIONS THAT WHERE YOU HAVE CONCERN ABOUT THE WORD FEELING. YES. WOULD BE UNDER MOTION ONE THAT RELATES ONLY TO THE TERMS AND DEFINITIONS WHICH INCLUDES THREE VISE DEFINITION FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND THE NEW CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE DEFINITION.

>> OKAY SO THEN THE PART WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE APPLICATION I'M SORRY THE PART WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE APPLICATION CRITERIA WHILE IT'S STILL WITHIN THE FIRST ITEM OF THE IN THIS PARTICULAR ITEM ON THE AGENDA IT'S THE SECOND MOTION SO THERE ARE THREE

DIFFERENT ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. >> THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM IS TO AMEND CERTAIN SECTIONS OF THE YUDHOYONO PRIMARILY THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE DEFINITIONS OF CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.

THAT'S WHERE WE WE TALKED ABOUT THE WORD FEELING THAT'S AN AD SECTION THE SECOND I DON'T WELL YOU GO AHEAD AND DO THAT MOTION WHILE WE'RE STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS YOU GO BACK TO MISSION 1 AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN YOU HAVE MOTION 1 4 TERMS AND DEFINITIONS AND THEN THE NEXT ONE WILL HAVE MOTION 2 AND IN THE NEXT SLIDE WE'LL HAVE MOTION 3.

>> SO IF THE FEELINGS ONE IS IN THIS SECTION YOU JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT CONDITION IS INCLUDED IN THIS MOTION. AND THEN FOR THE OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU INCLUDE THOSE IN EACH MOTION. YES. SO WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND DO

MOTION ONE IF WE KNOW THAT MONTH 1 AS THE DEFINITION. >> OKAY.

>> BUT WHAT I'M SAYING AND CLEARLY I'M NOT COMMUNICATING OR I'M NOT RECEIVING SOMETHING IN WHAT SHOULD BE MOTION 1 WHICH INCLUDES THINGS BEYOND JUST DEFINITIONS.

>> IT INCLUDES THE APPLICATION CRITERIA THAT'S THE APPLICATION CRITERIA IS IN THE SECOND

AGENDA ITEM. >> SO THEY WOULD BE IN THE SECOND MOTION.

SO THE APPLICATION CRITERIA IS IN SECTION THREE POINT TO FIVE. CORRECT.

>> BUT THE APPLICATION REVIEW CRITERIA SECTION THREE POINT ONE EIGHT POINT THREE POINT G.

THIS IS I MEAN I UNDERSTAND THIS THIS IS THREE POINT EIGHTY FIVE OVER HERE BUT IN THIS FIRST PACKET THAT'S WHERE THREE POINT ONE POINT THREE POINT G IS LOCATED.

AND I BELIEVE THAT THE 3 POINT 1 8 CHANGES ARE TO CHANGE THE EXISTING TERMINOLOGY WITH THE NEW TERMINOLOGY. SO IT'S KIND OF A DEFINITION DEFINITION CHANGE.

>> AND THEN WHEN YOU GET TO THE SPECIFIC CRITERIA AS TO THE DESIGNATION CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE THAT'S MOTION 2. SO THE FIRST ONE REALLY HAS TO DO WITH CHANGING THE DEFINITION OF THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES IN CHANGING THOSE SECTIONS THROUGHOUT THE UFO THAT REFERRED TO HISTORIC STRUCTURES OR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND USING THIS UNIT THIS NEW UNIFIED DEFINITION THAT'S MOTION. MOTION 1 AND THEN MOTION 2 IS ASKED TO THE APPLICATION FOR DESIGNATION OF A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND MOTION THREE IS ASKED TO THE PROACTIVE MAINTENANCE AND CONDITIONS OF NEGLECT THAT WE HAVE TALKED

ABOUT. >> SO MY RECOMMENDATION BASED WHAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT WOULD BE FOR THE MOTION WIDENED TO INCLUDE THE THAT CONDITION ABOUT FEELING LOOKING INTO THAT MOTION TO TO INCORPORATE THE LANGUAGE ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL AND THEN MOTION 3 JUST TO PROCEED AS AS PROPOSED BY STAFF I MOVE TO APPROVE AMENDMENTS OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER TWENTY THREE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORNAMENTS TABLE OF CONTENTS ARTICLE TO ADMINISTRATION SECTION TO POINT TO ESTABLISHMENT ARTICLE 3 APPLICATION PROCESS SECTION THREE POINT ONE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HISTORIC DISTRICT ARTICLE 4 ZONING DISTRICTS SECTION 4 POINT 2 ZONING DISTRICT PROVISIONS IN SECTION 4 POINT FOR CONDITIONAL STANDARDS ARTICLE 6 SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT CENTERS SECTION SIX POINT THREE.

>> THIS IS ALL PART OF ONE MOTION SUSTAINABLE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN AND ARTICLE 9

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DEFINITION ONLY TO THE TERMS TO BE. >> WE DO WE DO HAVE THAT MOTION SO I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A SECOND. CAN I HAVE A DISCUSSION A

SECOND? >> I CAN. AND CAN WE HAVE A DISCUSSION?

>> IS IT NECESSARY TO USE THE ENVIRONMENTAL? >> CAN THIS MOTION OR DOES IT COVERED ? GET COVERED BY THE SECOND MOTION OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE CAUTION? I MEAN THIS IS THIS SOUNDS SOMEWHAT RIDICULOUS BUT BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING SO, SO BOGGED DOWN IN THE DIFFERENT SECTIONS, LET'S I RECOMMEND THAT YOU ALL GO AHEAD AND KEEP IT IN HERE. AND IF IT'S NOT IN HERE IF IT'S NOT IN THIS MOTION THEN IT'S NOT IN THIS MOTION AND INCORPORATED IN THE SECOND ONE AS WELL.

AND IF IT'S NOT IN THAT ONE THEN WE'VE WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF A BELT AND SUSPENDERS

APPROACH THAT'S SORT A MASSIVE I'M ALL IN FAVOR. >> ALL RIGHT.

ANY OPPOSE FOR THE SECOND ONE MAY HAVE A MOTION. >> I MOVE TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENTS TO THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON CODE CHAPTER TWENTY THREE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT

ORDINANCE TABLE TENTS. >> ARTICLE 3 APPLICATION PROCESS SECTION 3 POINT TO 5 DESIGNATION OF OF CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES AND I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT WE EXAMINE WHERE AND WHERE IT'S APPROPRIATE TO ADD THE WORD ENVIRONMENTAL TO THIS CODE .

>> HAVE A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION AND REVIEW THE DEFINITION OF THE WORD FEELING AS APPROPRIATE WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THIS HAS TO BE AN AMENDMENT.

>> AND THE MOTION TO AMEND THE SO THERE WAS A THERE WAS A FIRST AND THERE WAS A SECOND IF I RECALL SO THERE WAS A SECOND SO IT HAS TO BE A MOTION TO AMEND THE EXISTING MOTION AND

OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD NEED A SECOND AND THEN BE APPROVED. >> AND THEN YOU WOULD VOTE ON THE ON THE ON THE LINE ONE THING AND IT'S MOTION TO AMEND THE FIRST MOTION.

>> SO THERE IS A MAYOR YOU JUST GOT SO THERE IS A THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO AMEND A PENDING MOTION TO INCORPORATE THE REVIEW OF THE USE OF THE TERM FEELING IN ARTICLE 3 SECTION 3 POINT TWO FIVE OF THE AUDIO IS THERE A SECOND ON THAT MOTION WE MADE THE MOTION TO

AMEND TO AMEND. >> I'LL SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR ON THE MOTION TO AMEND MY MIND. WITH THAT BEING UNANIMOUS THERE IS STILL THE MOTION.

>> THERE IS STILL THAT MOTION TO APPROVE THE MOTION AS AMENDED.

>> I HAVEN'T MENTIONED A VOTE IS A VOTE JUST A VOTE TO HAVE MEN OR TWO TO ADOPT A DOG.

>> THE MOTION THAT HAS BEEN AMENDED ALL THOSE IN FAVOR FAVOR ANY OF THOSE?

>> NO. OKAY. AND NOW YOU HAVE AN MEMBERS

THREE ANYBODY? >> JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION VIRTUOUS.

CAN WE WHEN WE MAKE A MOTION ON SOMETHING THAT'S LONG LIKE THIS.

CAN WE SAY I MOVED TO MAKE A MOTION AS PRESENTED BY STAFF? >> ABSOLUTELY.

I MOVED TO MAKE MOTION AS PRESENTED BY STAFF A SECOND BACK IN ANY DISCUSSION.

>> ALL IN FAVOR BY ANY OPPOSED? NO. THANK YOU.

SORRY ABOUT THAT. THE NEXT ONE. IS FOR NEW BUSINESS.

[IX.5. New Riverside Village Commercial (Certificate of Appropriateness-HCO): A request by Narramore Associates, Inc., on behalf of the Owners, Avtex Partners XXXIII, LLC, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness - Highway Corridor Overlay. The project consists of buildings B, C, D, and E within the Commercial Village portion of the New Riverside Village Master Plan, along with the associated landscape and lighting. The property is zoned New Riverside PUD and identified by tax map number R610 036 000 1258 0000, located south of May River Road, east of New Riverside Road and the US Highway 170 traffic circle. (COFA-08-21-015698) (Staff- Katie Peterson)]

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>> GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIRMAN. AND COMMISSIONERS.

I'M TRYING TO GET SHAY O'BRIEN WHO'S HERE WITH THE APPLICANT ON THE SCREEN REAL QUICK.

>> I BELIEVE WE HAVE MIKE HUGHES HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT AS WELL.

I WILL TRY AND MAKE THIS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE AS SOON AS I GET IT ALL LOADED HERE.

>> SO TONIGHT HAS CHAIRMAN DENMARK SIDE. THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR BUILDINGS B, C, D AND E WITHIN PHASE 1 OF THE NEW RIVERSIDE VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT.

IT IS PART OF PHASE 1 AND IS ON TWO DIFFERENT PARCELS. THEY'RE BOTH LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF THE SOUTHEAST OF SOUTH CAROLINA HIGHWAY 170 AND 46 INTERSECTION.

YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE SCREEN HERE. SO WE'VE GOT THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE. IF YOU WERE TO GO LEFT OFF THE SCREEN HERE YOU GO INTO SAVANNAH YOU'D BE GOING TOWARDS HISTORIC DISTRICTS THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.

IF YOU WENT RIGHT HERE AND THEN THIS GOES UP TO 278 NORTH IS AT THE TOP OF YOUR SCREENS MAP FOR THE MASTER PLAN I HAVE TURNED IT SIDEWAYS SO THE WORDS ARE A LITTLE WONKY BUT THAT WAS BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTOOD THE ORIENTATION AS YOU ENTER THE DEVELOPMENT. SO YOU'VE GOT THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE HERE.

AND THIS IS THE MASTER PLAN WHICH WAS APPROVED BY TOWN COUNCIL AND THEN I'VE OVERLAID THIS IN APPROXIMATELY THE SAME LOCATION. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THIS IS IN FACT A HACK JOB AND SOMEONE WITH POWER OR NOT USING WORD WOULD PROBABLY DO A MUCH BETTER JOB AT THAT. BUT THIS IS THE ORIENTATION AS YOU WOULD COME INTO THE DEVELOPMENT YOU COME IN DOWN HERE IS THE FULL ACCESS UP HERE IS A RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT.

AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT A LITTLE BETTER HERE ON THE SCREEN.

SO I'VE FLIPPED IT SO THAT NORTH IS UP AGAIN. HERE IS THAT MAIN ACCESS WAY.

AND THEN THE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT IS UP HERE. SO THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE IS AT THE

TOP OF YOUR SCREEN, THE FIRST BUILDING THAT WE GONNA LOOK AT. >> SO AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A REMINDER BECAUSE WE DO NOT DO CERTIFICATE OF PREGNANCIES TOO MUCH.

WE ARE LOOKING AT THE LANDSCAPING LIGHTING AND ARCHITECTURE ONLY FOR THE SITE ALL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS DONE THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS AND THAT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT IS REVIEWED SEPARATELY AND HAS BEEN REVIEWED AT THIS POINT.

SO BUILDING B IS THE ONE WITH THE RED CIRCLE AROUND IT AND THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS.

I HAVE TRIED MY VERY BEST TO LABEL THEM AS TO WHAT IT WOULD BE FACING IN THE PARENTHESES NEXT TO IT. SO THE TOP ONE IS THE S ELEVATION THE LEFT ELEVATION WHICH IS FACING BUILDING C BUILDING C IS THIS MIDDLE BUILDING BUILDING D AT THE

BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN HERE IS MY MOUSE. >> HERE YOU GO.

SO BUILDING B C D AND E OVER HERE SO THIS BASE IS BUILDING C THE NORTH ELEVATION FACES TOWARDS MY RIVER ROAD THE WEST ELEVATION FACES TOWARDS NEW RIVERSIDE ROAD AND THE EAST ELEVATION FACES TOWARDS THAT CENTRAL PARK THAT YOU SEE HERE AND THE POND THAT WILL BE BEYOND IT. AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN I'VE THEN BLOWN THOSE UP A LITTLE BIT MORE SO AS YOU CAN SEE EACH ELEVATION BECAUSE THEY ARE VERY SMALL ON THE SCREEN AND I'M GOING TO FLIP THROUGH THEM ON THE SIDE OF QUICKLY THE FRONT END AND THEN WE CAN GO BACK TO ANY OF THE ELEVATIONS JUST SO THAT WE CAN GET THROUGH IT AND SEE EVERYTHING BEFORE WE

SLOW DOWN HERE. >> AND THEN THIS IS THE WEST AND EAST ELEVATIONS FOR BUILDING B HERE'S THE SITE PLAN SHOWING BUILDING C.. SO THIS IS THE FRONT HERE OF THE BUILDING FACING THE POND . YOUR FLOOR PLAN FOR BUILDING C AND THEN S FACE IS BUILDING D WHICH IS THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE OF THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT NORTH FACE IS BUILDING B WHICH WAS WHEN WE JUST SAW WEST FACES TOWARDS NEW RIVERSIDE ROAD AND THEN THE EAST SIDE FACES THAT POND AND PARK. AND THIS ACTUALLY IS THE ONE THAT TRULY FRONTS THE POND AND THE PARK THE GREEN SPACE. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT WITH THE COLUMNS HERE ALONG THE FRONT THIS IS BUILDING D WHICH HAS THE NORTH ARROW AGAIN I'VE

POINTED IT ALWAYS UP SKIPPED TO BUILDING E. I'M SORRY. >> THIS IS BUILDING E WHICH IS THE ONE THAT IS MORE OF AN OUT PARCEL TO THE OTHER BUILDINGS. IT'S KIND OF DIAGONAL SO THE SOUTHEAST CORNER FACES BUILDING D THE NORTHWEST FACES NEAR RIVERSIDE ROAD SW FACES THE

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ALL RIGHT HERE'S BUILDING D WHICH FACES THE PARK ON THE SIDE ON THE WEST SIDE YOU'RE FACING BUILDING E WHICH IS THAT SMALLER OUT PERSONAL TYPE BUILDING AS WELL.

NEW RIVERSIDE ROAD SOUTH IS FACING THE INTERNAL ROAD TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND THEN THE NORTH IS FACING TOWARDS THAT BUILDING SEE WHICH IS THAT CENTER BUILDING THERE.

HERE IS THE EAST AND WEST ELEVATIONS. THE NORTH AND SOUTH ELEVATION SOUTH IS AT THE TOP NORTH IS AT THE BOTTOM HERE AND THEN BUILDING E WHICH WE JUST TOOK A LOOK AT HERE IS THAT OUR PERSONAL BUILDING IS DOING THIS TO ME.

ALL RIGHT. MY SIDES HAVE SOMEHOW GOTTEN TWISTED HERE.

HERE IS THE MATERIALS AND COLORS FOR THE SITE THAT YOU CAN SEE THE MATERIALS ON THE RIGHT SIDE HERE AND THEN A RENDERING OF SOME OF THOSE BUILDINGS TO YOUR LEFT.

THEY ARE ALL LABELED THROUGHOUT THE PACKET AS WHAT COLOR IS GOING TO BE SPECIFICALLY ON EACH PART OF THOSE ELEVATIONS AS WELL AS JUST THIS RENDERING SINCE THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE ALL

OF THE FACES IN COLORED DETAIL WHICH IS NOT NECESSARY. >> THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN

FOR THE SITE. >> SO AS YOU CAN SEE AGAIN I'VE GOT NORTH FACING UP HERE YOU BUILDING SEE IN THE MIDDLE. HE WAS THAT OUT PARCEL D DOWN HERE AND THEN B IS THE L SHAPED ONE AT THE TOP AND THEN I'VE ZOOMED IN JUST A LITTLE BIT SO YOU COULD SEE IT A LITTLE BIT CLOSER AS WELL AS THE PLANTING SCHEDULE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE HERE.

>> IT IS STILL VERY SMALL. WE CAN ZOOM IF WE NEED ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY ON HERE TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK. THIS IS THE LIGHTING PLAN WHICH AGAIN IS VERY SMALL BUT I HAVE ZOOMED IN TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY WITH IT STILL BEING ON THE PAGE AND THEN TAKING A SCREENSHOT OF THAT LIGHTING TABLE IN THE TOP CORNER JUST SO THAT IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE EASY TO READ AND THEN GONE THROUGH THE REVIEW CRITERIA. I AM GOING TO GO THROUGH THESE QUICKLY. THE FIRST ONE IS THAT IT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH ARTICLE 5 DESIGN STANDARDS. IT DOES NOT IT'S NOT APPLICABLE SINCE THIS IS IN A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. THE SECOND ONE IS THAT IT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT CONCEPT PLAN, MASTER PLAN, SUBDIVISION PLAN OR ANY OTHER AGREEMENTS AND PLANS THAT ARE APPLICABLE SO QUICKLY. THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, THE MASTER I'M SORRY THE CONCEPT PLAN REQUIRES A LANDSCAPE BUFFER OF AT LEAST EIGHT FEET WIDE MAINTAINED AROUND THE STRUCTURE

IN ANY PARKING OR DRIVING AREAS EXCEPT FOR LOADING AREAS. >> THIS IS THIS HAS BEEN DONE FOR MOST OF THE BUILDINGS. THE PLACE WHERE THERE IS AN EXCEPTION SCENE IS ON BUILDING E WHICH IS THAT SMALL OUTPOST BUILDING IS WHAT I KEEP CALLING IT THE OUT PERSONAL BUILDING THOUGH IT HAS LANDSCAPING ON THE SIDE THAT FACES NEW RIVERSIDE ROAD.

HOWEVER THE FRONT BUILDING PIECES A PARKING AREA THAT THERE IS VERY MINIMAL PLANTINGS . THERE ARE I BELIEVE SIX FIVE SABLE PALMS IN THREE FOOT SQUARE WELLS ALONG THE PARKING AREA BUT IT DOESN'T MEET THE INTENT OF THAT EIGHT FOOT WIDE

PLANTING AS THE OTHER BUILDINGS HAVE THE LIGHTING. >> THE FIRST ONE IS ABOUT LEADING LIGHTS WHEN THIS CODE WAS WRITTEN LADY LIGHTS WERE NOT SOMETHING THAT WERE COMMONLY USED IF USED AT ALL. THIS WAS APPROVED IN NINETEEN NINETY NINE WITH IT REVISED IN THE YEAR 2000. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SEE A LOT IT IS SOMETHING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS TO ADDRESS BUT IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT STAFF IS IS VERY CONCERNED WITH AS LONG AS IT IS STILL MEETING THE ILLUMINATION LEVELS WHICH THAT TABLE LAYS OUT BEFORE YOU. SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SEE QUITE FREQUENTLY.

THE NEXT ITEM IS THAT THE ILLUMINATION LEVELS WERE PROVIDED FOR THE THREE AREAS.

HOWEVER THEY WEREN'T PROVIDED FOR THE WALKING AREAS AND THE PEDESTRIAN AREAS SURROUNDING THE BUILDINGS WHICH WILL NEED TO BE INCLUDED BECAUSE THEY ARE NUMBERS THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY LAID OUT BY THAT TABLE. IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION FINDS IT APPROPRIATE STAFF CAN

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>> SO JUST TO ENSURE THAT THE MATERIALS AND THE CONFIGURATION OF THAT MEETS THE STANDARDS WHICH WE HAVE IN I BELIEVE IT'S ATTACHMENT 6 OF OF THIS PACKET AND THEN THE COLORS THE TABBY STUCCO HAS BEEN NOTED AS TBD WHILE THIS IS TYPICALLY SOMETHING THAT HAS A NEUTRAL COLOR I HAVE SEEN VERSIONS OF IT THAT ARE BRIGHT RED OR NEON GREEN OR SOMETHING OF THOSE LIGHTS. I DOUBT THAT IS THE CASE HERE. HOWEVER I JUST NEED THAT TO BE CLARIFIED IN ORDER TO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT ON THE LAST ONE FOR THE ARCHITECTURE IS THAT THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLES SHOULD BE REFLECTIVE OF OR AT LEAST COMPATIBLE WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STARS WHICH EXEMPLIFY THE UNIQUE CHARACTER OF A LOW COUNTRY REGION FURTHER ALONG UNARTICULATED LENGTH FACADES APPROPRIATE TO THE DESIGN THE FRONT OR EAST ELEVATION IN THE RIGHT OR NORTH ELEVATION OF BUILDING B CONTAIN AREAS WHERE THE MATERIAL CHANGES EVEN PLAIN. THE CONCERN WITH THAT IS THAT TRADITIONALLY NO MORE THAN TWO WALL MATERIALS WOULD EVER BE VISIBLE ON ONE EXTERIOR WALL. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SEE NOT ONLY IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT BUT ALSO IN TRADITIONAL CONSTRUCTION PATTERNS WHICH IS ANOTHER REFERENCE MATERIAL THAT WE USE FOR OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE. BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS VERY IMPLEMENTED IN LOW COUNTRY VERNACULAR WITH THE BUILDING B YOU'D BE LOOKING AT A WALL THAT IS THAT IS FLAT LIKE THE ONE BEHIND YOU AND HALFWAY THROUGH IT IT WOULD CHANGE FROM A VERTICAL HARDY MATERIAL TO A

STUCCO MATERIAL WITHOUT AN INTERIOR CORNER CHANGE. >> SO WHEN WALLS ARE OFFSET IT'S PLOT I'M SORRY I'M TAPPING MY HAIR. IT'S PLAUSIBLE FOR THAT MATERIAL TO CHANGE BUT WHEN IT'S FLAT LIKE THAT IT APPEARS THAT IT'S JUST BEEN APPLIED ON THE SURFACE AND IT GIVES OFF A MORE FAKE OR UNARTICULATED APPEARANCE.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE COMMENT THERE IS IS TAKING A LOOK AT AND THEN FOR THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS AND AGAIN I WILL SLOW DOWN, GO BACKWARDS, DO WHATEVER YOU GUYS NEED FOR THIS TO BE CLARIFIED ON THE SCREENING FOR THE REALIZATION OF BUILDING D WHICH BATES FRIENDS THE MAIN ACCESS ROAD DOES NOT HAVE ANY SCREENING FOR THE UTILITIES AND SO SOME SORT OF VISUAL IMPACT MITIGATION TO SCREEN SOME OF THOSE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENTS HAS BEEN REQUESTED AND THE LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR THAT SHOWS IT BUT IT DOESN'T ALIGN WITH WHAT THE ELEVATION SHOWS ON THAT SPECIFIC ELEVATION AND I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY ELEVATION WHICH THAT'S THE CASE. SO WITH THAT D IT IS BUILDING D AND IT IS THE ROAD THAT FRONTS THE MAIN ACCESS ROAD SO IT'S BUILDING D IS THE BOTTOM ONE HERE AND IT'S THIS ELEVATION DOWN HERE WHICH THIS IS THE LIGHTING PLANE NOT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN BUT THAT'S

ALMOST 200 FEET LONG. >> RIGHT. WELL THAT'S JUST NOTING THE BUILDINGS ALMOST 200 FEET LONG WITH VERY LITTLE ELEVATION CHANGE.

>> THAT'S THE REAR ELEVATION NUMBER TWO. IT IS THE REAR ELEVATION OF IT.

BUT THIS IS THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE DEVELOPMENT. SO IT IS LESS OF A HIGHWAY CORRIDOR AND MORE OF A I MEAN IT STILL FALLS WITHIN THE HIGHWAY QUARTER BECAUSE ALL LANDSCAPING WITHIN THIS PARCEL IS REVIEWED. ALL ARCHITECTURE IS HOWEVER IT IS NOT FACING DIRECTLY MAY RIVER ROAD. IT'S FACING THAT MAIN ACCESS THOUGH WHICH IS THE FULL ACCESS POINT BOTH RIGHT AND LEFT AND RIGHT LEFT OUT FOR THE MASTER

PLAN. >> THE FINDING FOR THAT IS THAT THE TREES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED ON THE NATURAL RESOURCE THEY HAVE BEEN MARKED AS PROTECTED ON THERE.

SO THEY HAVE THEY HAVE MADE SURE THAT THEY ATTACH THAT. AND THEN THE OTHER ITEM THAT FALLS BACK TO THE MASTER PLAN IS THAT THE UDA GO TO ADMINISTRATOR HAS DETERMINED THAT THE BUILDINGS COULD BE COMBINED SO THE MASTER PLAN SHOWS THE USE OF FIVE BUILDINGS AND SEVEN BUILDINGS IN THE NEW RIVERSIDE VILLAGE BUT FIVE WHERE THERE ARE THREE IN THIS

VERSION OF THE PLAN. >> SO BUILDING B WAS TWO DIFFERENT STRUCTURES AND BUILDING D WAS TWO DIFFERENT STRUCTURES THAT HAVE BEEN COMBINED AND THEY SAID THAT THIS IS THAT THE BUILDINGS MAY BE COMBINED AND STILL BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE MASTER PLAN

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>> WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE EASIER TO FLIP OUT HERE, THE BUILDING B HERE HAS COME A LONG WAY FROM THE INITIAL VERSIONS OF IT WHERE THIS PORTION HERE DOES THAT I CAN YOU SEE MY MOUTH?

>> YES. OK, THIS ELEVATION DOES A GREAT JOB WHERE IT HAS THIS LARGER PIECE THAT THAT SITS PROUD OF THE REST OF THE STRUCTURE. IT DOES HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF ARTICULATION HERE WHERE THEY'VE THEY'VE RAISED THE ROOF AND HAVE SOME SETBACK HERE ALONG WITH ANOTHER PITCHED ROOF AT THE OTHER END OF THE STRUCTURE.

IT DOES BECAUSE IT HAS THE L SHAPE IN IT. IT BREAKS UP THE LENGTH OF THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT. SO SOMEBODY WHO'S STANDING AT THE CORNER HERE IS GOING TO LOOK AND NOT SEE THIS WHOLE STRUCTURE BECAUSE OF HOW FAR BACK IT IS SET AND THE SAME WITH IF YOU'RE STANDING ON THE OTHER CORNER YOU'LL SEE THIS PORTION OF IT WHICH IT DOES APPEAR BIGGER FROM THIS CORNER BUT YOU'LL STILL SEE IT AS ONE BUILDING KIND OF SET BACK FROM ANOTHER RATHER THAN SEEING IT AS ONE LONG UNARTICULATED LONG BLANK FACADE OR MASS AS THE AS THE CODE CALLS IT. SO THIS ONE HAS GONE TO A REALLY LONG WAY.

THERE'S ALSO THIS ADDITION OF YOU CAN SEE IT FAIRLY WELL ON THE FLOOR HERE THE VERY SMALL HERE THOUGH RIGHT HERE YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THERE IS A L SHAPED DENT IN THE BUILDING

WHERE THAT HAS A GATE ACTUALLY. >> SO IT IS NOT INTERNAL. THEY'VE THEY'VE MADE THE HALLWAY FOR THE ACCESS POINT TO BE AN EXTERNAL WALKWAY SO THAT SOMEBODY IS STANDING OUTSIDE OF THE GATE. IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS IT IS PHYSICALLY TWO DIFFERENT BUILDINGS. AND ONCE YOU GET INTO THAT GATE, YOU REALIZE THAT AS YOU WALK BACK IT'S A DEAD END FOR THE STAFF TO ACCESS FOR THINGS LIKE THAT RATHER THAN A PEDESTRIAN WHO'S OUTSIDE THE GATE AND SEES IT AS JUST A AN EMPTY SPACE THERE.

SO THAT DOES BREAK UP THE FACADE THERE BUILDING THAT'S BUILDING B SO BUILDING D IS THE ONE THAT HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A CHALLENGE WITH THIS. THEY HAVE ALSO BROKEN UP USING THAT SAME TECHNIQUE WHICH HAS BEEN HELPFUL HERE. SO ON THE ELEVATIONS THIS BOTTOM CORNER HERE IT HAS A PITCHED ROOF AND THEN IT GOES TO THE FLAT ROOF BACK HERE AND HAS THAT BREAK IN THE FACADE WITH THE WITH THE EIGHT. SO AGAIN ON THIS HALF OF IT IT DOES STILL APPEAR THERE AND THIS IS THE SIDE WHICH STRUGGLES A LITTLE BIT WITH THE ARTICULATION. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE IT'S ABOUT OUT OF ORDER.

>> YOU CAN SEE THIS ONE ON THE THIRD ELEVATION DOWN HERE. >> THIS IS WHERE THAT BREAK IS . SO THE PITCHED ROOFS IT'S FAR BEHIND THIS FLAT ROOFED AREA WITH THE PARAPET AND YOU'LL SEE IT RIGHT HERE IS THAT LITTLE GATED AREA THAT MAKES THIS APPEAR AS THOUGH IT'S A SEPARATE STRUCTURE. AND THEN THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION AND THIS IS WHERE SOME OF THOSE CHALLENGES WITH THE MATERIAL CHANGES ON THE FLATTER ELEVATIONS COME INTO PLAY. BUT BUT THIS PORTION HERE DOES A VERY GOOD JOB OF SETTING IT OFF. SO THEY HAVE COME A LONG WAY FROM THE VERY FIRST VERSION. WE'VE BEEN TALKING THIS THROUGH WITH THEIR ARCHITECTS FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND THEY THEY'VE MADE SOME SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO IT .

I HOPE I SAID I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. >> THE NEXT ONE IS THAT THESE COMPANIES INSTRUCTIONS THEY ARE THE DECLARATION FOR IT. SO THEY HAVE BY SIGNING THE APPLICATION ON THAT AND THEN TOWN STAFF HAS FOUND THAT IT DOES IN FACT MEET ALL OF THEIR

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AND WHEN DOING SO THEY NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION THREE POINT ONE SEVEN POINT THREE OF OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE WHICH IS WHERE IT LAYS OUT THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HOW A QUARTER OVERLAY AND THEN I HAVE SUMMARIZED THOSE CONDITIONS HERE ON THE SCREEN.

I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT. I BELIEVE WE HAVE MIKE HUGHES HERE AS WELL AS SHAY DIGITALLY . THANK YOU SO MUCH. DOES THE APPLICANT WANT TO

SPEAK? >> OH, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T SEE YOU.

>> I MEAN WE ALSO. >> MY NAME IS TEX SMALL. ASK THEM A WELL I LIVE IT.

TONY 3 0 6 PALM BOULEVARD. I LOVE PALMS AND MY COMPANY IS TAX COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AND WE ARE THE MASTER DEVELOPER OF THE HORIZONTAL PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE RIGHT NOW AND WE ARE ALSO THE DEVELOPER OF THE COMMERCIAL VILLAGE COMPONENT OF THAT WE WE'RE VERY PROUD OF WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH IN TERMS THE OVERALL MASTER PLAN AND I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN EXCELLENT RECEPTION FROM THE TOWN AND I WANT TO SAY TO CAVED IN AND THIS HIGH CARD THAT THIS PROCESS ON THESE PARTICULAR BUILDINGS HAS GONE ON FOR OVER TWELVE MONTHS. WE'VE CREATED SIX DIFFERENT PROVISIONS THAT WE SUBMITTED TO THE TOWER AND THE LAST ONE WAS IN SEPTEMBER AND THEY CAME SPECIFICALLY AT SUGGESTIONS THAT MISTAKE. SO AT THE FINAL. SO ALL OF THESE INPUTS WITH EVERYBODY HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL TO GET US TO THE PLACE WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

THE THEME OF THIS PARTICULAR COMMERCIAL VILLAGE IS THAT IT IS RETAIL.

IT IS GOING TO SERVICE A COMMUNITY OUT OUT THERE RIGHT NOW WHO LACK SERVICES AND IT IS GOING PROVIDE A SENSE PLACE AND CONGREGATION. AS YOU KNOW, THE TOWN PART SITS IN THE MIDDLE OF IT AS A WALKING PATH AROUND TWO LAKES WITHIN THOSE TWO LAKES WILL BE FISHING LAKES ONE OF WHICH YOU WILL HAVE A DOCK AND IT WILL BE HARD SCAPE.

IT IS FULLY LANDSCAPE AND ALSO THE POINT OF THE COMMERCIAL VILLAGE WAS TO PUT EVERYTHING TO FOCUS ON THE ACTIVITIES IT WOULD GO ON AROUND THE PARK AND LOOK AT THE PARK.

SO THOSE DOORS OPEN UP ONTO A GREEN AREA THIS ALMOST A HALF ACRE IN THE MIDDLE AND ALL THE RETAIL DOORS OPEN UP ON TO THAT AREA. SO WE HAD SPENT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WALKING PARTICIPATION WITHIN THE RETAIL AREA. WE EXPECT RESTAURANTS WITH RESPECT TO HAVE DOCTORS OFFICES AND A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS THAT ARE BEING LOOKED FOR THE COMMUNITY OUT THERE. SO I DON'T WANT TO SPEND ANY MORE TIME THAN THIS LATE ALREADY BUT I'M WELL IN ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE.

AND WE CERTAINLY WOULD ADAPT THE NECESSARY CRITERIA OKATIE REFERRED TO PUT THE LANDSCAPING

IN THE LIGHTING IN ANYTHING THE PALETTE ITSELF IS EARTH TONE. >> WE USE OLD TOWN, WE USE MALL AND WE USE OTHER AREAS HERE IN TOWN TO DETERMINE WHAT THE MATERIALS ARE OR BE BUCHWALD PREPARED BEING THE THIRD ONE. IF YOU LOOKED AT THOSE AREAS AND EARTH TONES AND THE MATERIALS THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE USING AS WELL. ANY QUESTIONS?

ALL RIGHT. >> EXPERT RIGHT NOW. >> YEAH, ARE YOU KNOW I KNOW ME

MEAN KATHLEEN ASK KATHLEEN. >> I THOUGHT OKATIE DID A NICE JOB REPORT.

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YOU COVER A LOT OF WHAT I SAW. >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS THIS LITTLE NOTCH THAT IS NEARBY THAT SMALLER GREEN SPACE MORE TOWARDS THE IT'S ONLY THE NORTH PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.

>> IT'S NOT STRIPED AS PARKING THE SITE PLAN WILL USE. >> I THINK THERE YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS IT'S A LOADING ZONE THAT'S WHERE YEAH IT'S NOT THERE'S NO PARKING THERE.

IT'S A LOADING ZONE AND IT'S SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED THEY'RE NEAT.

THEY NEEDED TO HAVE THAT AND THEN SO THAT WAY THEY CAN PULL VEHICLES OVER TO THE SIDE.

THEY'RE NOT WET THAT WAY. THEY'RE NOT BLOCKING ANY PARKING SPACES AND THEN LOAD AND UNLOAD FROM THEIR I MEAN OKAY I'M HAVING A BIT OF A HARD TIME WITH THAT BEING THE FIRST

THING THAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU DRIVE IN THERE. >> BUT THAT IS A SECONDARY ENTRANCE AT LEAST IT'S NOT THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE BUT THAT'S IT AS YOU WOULD TURN THAT CORNER INTO THE PROPERTY IS THE FIRST THING YOU SEE IS THAT LOADING AREA ADDITIONALLY.

>> CAN YOU TELL US? >> INITIALLY IT WAS A DUMPSTER RIGHT THERE SO YEAH I WAS

THAT'S WHY LEAVE THE DUMPSTER. >> YEAH. WHERE IS THE ENTRY? LIKE WHERE ARE THE PROMINENT ENTRIES? CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT? YES. SO THIS RIGHT HERE IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, THIS IS THE FULL ENTRY DOWN HERE AND THEN THE RIGHT AND RIGHT OUT IS HERE WHICH MEANS PEOPLE COMING IN WOULD BE COMING FROM NEW RIVERSIDE ROAD AND PEOPLE COMING IN FROM THIS WAY.

>> I'M SORRY. >> THEY'D BE LEAVING GOING TOWARDS THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE COMING IN FROM NEW RIVERSIDE GOING OUT TOWARDS THAT TRAFFIC CIRCLE.

BUT THEY WOULDN'T BE COMING IN FROM THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE. >> THAT GREEN SPACE THAT'S ADJACENT TO THERE. THIS IS NOT A HANG YOUR HAT ON KIND OF ISSUE OF MAKING AN ISSUE BUT I CAN SEE YOU'VE GOT THE LANDSCAPE. WELL, I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF IT IF IT'S JUST A STEP WALL SEAWALL YOU KNOW IT'S RECESSED DOWN OR GOES UP I'M NOT SURE BUT THAT'S QUITE AN OPPORTUNITY IF YOU HAVE ANY OF THOSE RETAIL SPOTS TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT SPACE THE WAY THE LANDSCAPING IS ADDRESSING IT KIND OF FEELS LIKE IT WAS MORE LAYERED TOWARDS PEOPLE DRIVING IN RATHER THAN BEING SOMETHING THAT WAS MORE PUSHED OUT AND ADDRESSED THE BUILDING ITSELF LIKE I THINK THAT WOULD BE A

HUGE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE AN OUTDOOR PLACE TO SIT. >> AND I'D LOVE TO SEE SPECIFICALLY LIKE TREES MORE PUSHED OUT TO THE WEST SIDE TO PROVIDE SHADE ON THE GREEN SPACE. LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT A MAKE OR BREAK.

JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER ARCHITECTS HERE AND HE HAS SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED THOSE TWO AREAS FOR SEALING THE GREEN AREA AND HE HAS SOMETHING TO THEM WAS UNFAMILIAR WITH HERE A TERM IN THERE AND HE WOULD HAVE BEEN HERE LAST WEEK AND IS THEY ARE YOU ON?

>> YES, SIR. >> I'M ON A NEW COME ON THOSE SEATS AND WHAT DO YOU DO IN THAT LITTLE AREA? DR. SO THE WHOLE IDEA WAS THAT HIS AS OPPOSED TO THE FRONT COMMON AREA WHICH IS FOR GATHERING THIS AREA BACK HERE THERE IS MORE FOR REFLECTION.

>> SO WE SCREENED THE BACK TO THOSE BUILDINGS WITH A SIX FOOT HIGH TABBY WALL AND INTEGRATED INTO THOSE WALLS OR TO CUSTOM COVERED BENCHES. AND THE WHOLE IDEA IS THAT

THAT'S A PLACE THAT YOU GO, YOU KNOW, REQUIRED. >> SO WE WERE TRYING TO CHANGE CREATE A DIFFERENT KIND OF SPACE BY CREATING MORE PUBLIC SPACE AND ALSO HELPED

SCREEN THE APPROACH TO THAT BUILDING. >> THE SIX FOOT WALL IN THAT LOCATION WOULD TEND TO ME I MEAN I GET I GET THAT THIS IS BASICALLY THE BACK OF HOUSE ON THAT BUILDING IT BUT IT CREATES A DEFINITE SINCE SEPARATION BETWEEN THAT AND WHERE THE PEDESTRIANS WOULD BE COMING FROM WHICH IS THE BUILDING THAT SIX FOOT WALL.

>> I APPRECIATE THE SIX FOOT WALL FROM A STANDPOINT OF BLOCKING THE BACK OF HOUSE TO THE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC BUT I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT MORE INTEGRATED BECAUSE EVEN WITH THE BACK OF HOUSE FOR PEDESTRIAN YOU'VE GOT CLEVER WAYS YOU CAN KIND SCREEN THAT ON A SITE LEVEL SCALE BUT I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT MORE INTEGRATED SO THAT YOU CAN KIND

OF OUT THE BACK AND BE A PART OF THAT REFLECTIVE PLACE. >> I LOVE THE IDEA THAT IT JUST

MAYBE I I MIGHT. RIGHT NOW IT'S VERY SECLUDED. >> YEAH.

YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE KIND OF STUCK BETWEEN A MAN SUPPOSEDLY ESCAPING AND YOU'RE

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FROM. >> WELL, IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY WE STOP THAT SCREEN MORE SHY ONE STORE FRONT ON EITHER SIDE. SO THERE ISN'T THE LENGTH OF THE BUILDING ON EITHER WING OF THE WALL. SO IT DOES KIND OF PAUSE TO BREAK AND GO BACK TO AN ACTIVATED STORE FRONT THAT'S STILL NOT BACK OUR HOUSE TO ALLOW IT TO GRACEFULLY TURN THE CORNER. SO IT'S NOT MONOLITHIC OR OBTRUSIVE AS YOU MIGHT THINK.

>> WELL, I THINK THOUGH IT BEING I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DISGUISE THE BACKUP HOUSE BUT IT DOES FEEL A LITTLE SECLUDED FROM THE REST. THE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY.

NOT SURE HOW YOU WOULD INCORPORATE THAT WHAT THE POINT OF THAT STOP DOOR OF THE END OF THE BUILDING IS OPEN UP TO AN ACTIVATED STOREFRONT AND ASADA IS ONE POINT OUT THAT

IT'S NOT SCREENING HIGHER. >> WHEREAS THE SERVICE TO YOU SAY THAT YOU WHERE WHERE'S THE

SERVICE TO THESE BUILDINGS? >> BECAUSE AT THAT BACK OF HOUSE AND YOU'RE TRYING TO INCORPORATE THAT THAT'S AND I KNOW YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S A STORE FRONT BUT THAT'S STILL

BACKUP HOUSE LIKE WHERE'S THE NO ID ON? >> IN THAT CASE IS NOT.

AND IT'LL HAVE TO BE PROGRAMED THAT WAY BUT EVERYTHING IS FORCED AND IT'S GONNA BE A PUSH TO THE INSIDE CORNER AND IT KIND OF PROGRESSES OUTWARD FROM THE INSIDE CORNER.

REMEMBER THAT THE LOADING AREA IS RIGHT AT THE END OF THE LONG SECTION THEN YOU UNLOAD AND

TAKE IT UP BEHIND THE WALL. >> AND TO THE VARIOUS RETAIL I MEAN WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE A PICTURE WHERE SPOKE ROOF OVER THE DRIVE

LITERALLY IN THE GREEN AREA SORT OF . >> YEAH.

GOT THERE RENDERED AND YOU CAN SEE HOW IT'S STOPPED. SURE.

TO ALLOW PEDESTRIANS TO GO THROUGH THE GREEN AND AND NOT BE DEAD END ABOUT A WALL ACTIVATED STORE FRONT TURN THE CORNER SEAMLESSLY. SO I MEAN I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING WE WE'VE WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT AND ADDRESS THAT THROUGH ONE OF THE SEVERAL REVISIONS WE'VE MADE. THE WHERE'S THE SERVICE FOR THAT BUILDING THAT END CAP?

>> WELL, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO LIKE THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE PROGRAM WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO

HAVE DELIVERIES HAND TRUMP THROUGH GLASS DOOR. >> THERE'S NO WAY AROUND IT.

IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO ACTIVATE THAT STOREFRONT ON THAT SITE. >> ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT LIKE

HBC? YEAH. >> JUST ANY KIND OF STORAGE.

I MEAN THERE'S NEW DOORS. THIS TRASH HAS MECHANICAL THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT GO ON A BUILDING AND IF WE HAVE THREE SIDES TO THIS PARTICULAR ONE, WHERE'S THE OTHER ONES LOOK LIKE THEY'RE HIDDEN BEHIND A WALL. SO OBVIOUSLY SERVICE THINGS WOULD BE ACCESSED BEHIND THERE. BUT THESE END ONES ARE A THREE SIDED SO THAT A WISE ON THE

ROOF. >> SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SCREEN HERE ARE JUST A FEW GAS SERVICES FOR RESTAURANTS AND ELECTRICAL. THAT'S MOSTLY THE UTILITY ALL THE WASTE CAN BE PAINTED TO MATCH THE BUILDING. WELL WE STILL WANTED TO SCREEN SO IT DOESN'T READ BACK A HOUSE SO HE'S UP ON THE ROOF SCREEN BY THE DIFFERENT ROOF ELEMENTS OR PARAPET AND THEN WE HAVE YOU KNOW OF ELECTRICAL PANELS AND SELECT GAS MANIFOLD.

>> OTHER THAN THAT YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO NOT HAVE WHAT LOOKS LIKE A DRESSED FACADE OR SEAT AND DELIVERIES REGULARLY. SO IS THERE ANY PLACE WHERE THE HBC LOCATIONS ARE NOTED ON A PLAN SO THAT WE CAN SEE THEM IN REFERENCE TO WHERE THOSE REFINES ARE? WE HAVE THEM THERE SET IN THE CENTER. AND MOST OF THIS ROOF IS COVERED WITH SOME KIND OF EITHER PARAPET OR MAN CARD. AND WE'RE VERY AWARE THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE VISIBLE ONCE WE GET TENDED AND IDENTIFY WHAT HPC UNIT GOES EXACTLY WHERE HEY WHAT IS THE ROLE OR THE CODE ABOUT THE ROOFS AND PARAPET AS FAR AS MAN

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CAN FIND IT IF I CAN. >> SO YOU DID MENTION MANSOUR. SO WHERE'S THAT?

>> WELL, I'M USING MANSOUR AS A BLANKET TERM. >> ACTUALLY WHAT WE DO IS CLIP THE GABLE BUT IT'S EFFECTIVELY A MANSOUR FOR INSTANCE ON THE HIPPED ROOF IF ROLLING AT THIS FRONT ELEVATION BUILDING BE ON THE LEFT LIKE WHERE WHAT HAPPENS UP IN THAT ROOF IF

THERE'S THE UTILITIES ARE UP THERE I MEAN THAT'S A HIT. >> IT REALLY GOES TO THE WORRY PORCH PART I SUPPOSE THAT'S BUT YEAH LIKE THE CORNER THE MAIN CORNER ELEMENT.

>> YES. YEAH. THAT'S A FULL 3-D ROOF.

OK. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE

ROOMS ARE THOSE OLD ELBOWS SEATING AREA. >> SO IT BECOMES OBVIOUS PLACE FOR GATHERING DINING AND WE PLAN TO HAVE A MURAL IN EACH ONE OF THOSE RAISED ELEMENTS.

>> SO THAT HISTORIC ROLE WILL BE REFLECTIVE OF COUNTRY HERITAGE AT A PROFESSIONAL

ARTIST OUT OF CHARLESTON. GOING TO DO IT. >> GOING BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL I DON'T KNOW THAT THE PEDESTRIAN PARK THAT YOU'RE CALLING IT IS REALLY WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE. YEAH I QUESTION ITS ACTUAL FUNCTIONALITY IN THAT PIT AND

THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THAT PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE. >> I MEAN I THINK THAT YOU CAN LANDSCAPE BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S A NECESSARILY A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY PARK.

>> YEAH. YEAH. IT'S INTENDED TO BE PART OF THE

CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN. >> RIGHT. SO I MEAN THINK LANDSCAPING WILL BE FINE BUT YOU HAVE AN AREA WHICH WE WANTED TO SOFTEN WITH LANDSCAPE AGAINST THE WALL

IN THE BACK. >> BUT ALSO HERE BUT AS FAR AS PARKS ARE CONCERNED, HALF ACRE PARK IN ADDITION TO THE BAR ACRE SIX ACRE TOWN PARK ON THIS THIRTY FIVE ACRES YES.

>> THAT AREA AREA WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE A PARK OR PROGRAMED AS A PARK.

>> SO THIS IS JUST GRASS AND LANDSCAPING LANDSCAPING. >> SO IF ANYBODY COMES AND THEY LOOK BACK ON THE HOUSE AND I WILL SAY THAT THE NUMBER OF AGAIN ELECTS THAT WAY EVERY TIME THEY GET AROUND ABOUT JUST ON THE MASTER PLAN WHERE THAT SHAPED BUILDING IS IT'S GONNA BE RIGHT HERE AND THE CORNER OF WHAT IS LABELED BUILDING A ON THE SCREEN HERE IS WHAT THAT

THAT GREEN SPACE HAS NOW BECOME. >> AND THEN THIS IS THAT TRIANGULAR SHAPE PORTION OF GREEN THAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR IT.

I CAN FLIP BACK TO IT IF I CAN. WHICH IS THE BUFFER FOR RIVERSIDE ROAD AND THEN THIS IS THE IN FRONT OF BUILDING THE GREEN SPACE AND THEN THAT BIG PARK THAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH THE TWO PONDS AND THE SIDEWALKS AROUND IT. SO ON THE SITE PLAN THERE IS A

SIDEWALK THAT GOES AROUND THE GOD. >> SO THERE IS A SIDEWALK THAT GOES IN FRONT OF THE LOADING AREA HERE AND THE PARKING AREA HERE WHICH WOULD ACCESS THIS PARK AND THEN THE SIDEWALK RUNS BACK HERE IS PRIMARILY AND PROBABLY WHOLLY USED FOR BESIDES THE ODD KID ON A SKATEBOARD WILL BE USED FOR EMPLOYEE ACCESS AND AND LOADING ZONE HERE WHERE THE STORE GOERS I GUESS END USERS, THE SHOPPERS, THE HUMANS WHO AREN'T WORKING HERE THEY'LL THEY'LL LIKELY BE ON THE SIDEWALKS HERE BUT NOT UTILIZE THIS PORTION

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BEHIND THE WALL. >> THAT'S FOR THE WIZARD. CAN I CAN I ALSO I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT INTERRUPT HERE BUT ALSO REMEMBER THAT THIS. THIS CAME THROUGH AS PHASE 1 PREVIOUSLY WAS APPROVED. SO THE LANDSCAPING PLAN FOR ALL OF THE THE THE ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. SO THE FOCUS.

WE'RE REALLY FOCUSING ON IS THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING, THE LIGHTING, THE MINIMAL AMOUNT OF ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING IMMEDIATELY AROUND THE BUILDING.

SO I JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WE'RE FOCUSING ON ON THE REQUEST AND NOT DEVIATING OF FROM THAT. ALL I WAS GOING TO SAY FROM MY LIMITED ARCHITECTURAL PERSPECTIVE ON THIS I DO LIKE THE FACT THAT WHEN YOU TURN RIGHT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE THE FIRST THING YOU'RE SEEING IS GREEN SPACE, NOT THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.

SO THEY DID A GOOD JOB AT THAT. WHETHER IT FUNCTIONS AS A PARK OR NOT, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT BUT PROBABLY WON'T. BUT VISUALLY IT WILL BE APPEALING.

>> WELL, I'LL COMMENT ON ARCHITECTURE. MAYBE THAT'LL GIVE YOU SOME

TIME. >> I HAD STILL A COUPLE. WELL YOU MEAN I MEAN THE ARCHITECTURE IS SIGNIFICANT. SO GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD.

DO THAT THAT WAY. WELL YEAH WE'LL TAG TEAM. YEAH.

SOUNDS GOOD. OKAY. SO I GUESS IF WE WANT TO LOOK AT BUILDING D FIRST BECAUSE THAT'S I GUESS THE BIGGEST ONE THE LONGEST ONE.

IT'S KIND OF A GENERAL STATEMENT AS FEEL LIKE YOU'LL NEED SOME WORK ON THE MASSING.

YOU SAY VILLAGE IT'S COMMERCIAL VILLAGE VILLAGE PHIL LOOKS LIKE A STRIP CENTER THAT JUST PUT

MATERIALS ON. >> THERE'S THERE'S A LOT GOING ON AND I KNOW YOU WERE TRYING TO DIVIDE UP THE SPACES BUT IT I DON'T KNOW. I FEEL LIKE IT.

THE MASSING IS STILL REALLY LONG ESPECIALLY ON BUILDING IF IT WAS BROKEN UP.

>> DIFFERENTLY. >> IT'S JUST FLAT BECAUSE YOU'RE ONLY BUMPING OUT A

LITTLE BIT HERE AND THERE. >> THERE'S JUST THERE'S A LOT ELEMENTS ON THESE BUILDINGS AND I DON'T KNOW. YEAH, I'VE LOOKED AT SIMPLIFYING ANYTHING OR BE THOUGHT THAT BY ADDING SO MANY THINGS IT WOULD BREAK UP THE MASS AND THEN I HAD CONCERNS OF PROPORTION OF LIKE SOME OF THESE COLUMNS LIKE ON THOSE GABLE ELEMENTS THEY JUST LOOKED

VERY THIN FOR THE HEIGHT. >> YEAH. >> AND THEN I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW SOME OF THESE THINGS GO TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL SO DIFFERENT LIKE EACH PIECES IS DIFFERENT AND I DON'T KNOW HOW IT ALL WORKS AS A AS A DESIGN TOGETHER IF IT'S ONE BUILDING.

I DON'T KNOW. I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING THAT ARCHITECTURALLY SAYS THAT YOU KNOW, WE'RE TOGETHER BUT WE HAVE THESE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS OF THE SCALE, THE MASSING, THE MATERIALS, THE AMOUNT OF MATERIALS I DON'T KNOW.

>> THAT'S WHY I JUST I THINK THIS BUILDING NEEDS THE MOST WORK JUST BECAUSE OF THAT LINK.

>> UM, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO A DIFFERENT BUILDING. WELL, MY CONCERN AND THIS IS A GENERAL COMMENT THAT I FOUND IN THE ARCHITECTURE AND I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT.

SO THIS IS NOT MY WHEELHOUSE AT ALL. >> SO I LEAN HEAVILY ON THE LEFT AND RIGHT FOUNDATIONS AS THEY WERE LABELED IN THE DOCUMENTS I RECEIVED WHICH TEND TO THERE. THERE'S THE SIDES ESSENTIALLY BUT THE SIDES SEEM TO FACE KIND OF THESE ACCESS POINTS GOING THROUGH. THEY FEEL AWKWARD I THINK WHICH IS KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE REFLECTING EVEN SOME OF THE FRONT ELEVATIONS FEEL UNBALANCED PROPORTIONALLY SPEAKING LIKE FROM LEFT TO RIGHT IT FEELS LIKE IT'S REALLY BIG ON ONE SIDE AND THEN IT JUST KIND OF SHRINKS DOWN SMALL AND THERE'S A LITTLE TALLER ON THAT BUT IT DOESN'T FEEL IT DOESN'T FEEL BALANCED TO ME CAN NOT ARCHITECT AND BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE THE HIV I SEE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THIS I DON'T KNOW HOW THOSE REALLY SCREEN

THOSE SERVICE AREAS AND IF THEY REALLY DO THE FUNCTIONAL JOB. >> ADDITIONALLY, I'M CONCERNED THAT THE ELEVATION OF NEW RIVERSIDE ROAD MAY MAKE THOSE SERVICE AREAS ON TOP OF THE ROOFS MORE VISIBLE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW THE ELEVATION COMPARE OF NEAR RIVERSIDE ROAD COMPARES WITH THE ELEVATION OF WHERE THESE SURFACE AREAS ARE GONNA BE IN THE BUILDING.

I JUST DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THAT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT SCREENING I AND I DON'T

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SO ALL OF THAT CONCERNS ME A LITTLE BIT. A LOT THOUGH ARE THOSE PARAPET LIKE FOR INSTANCE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE FRONT ELEVATION NORTH BUILDING D LIKE WHERE WOULD THE CEILING AND THE PARAPET YOU KNOW, WHERE WOULD THAT START AND STOP THE ROOF AND THE CARPET WHICH AREA LIKE BUILDING D THE RIGHT THE FLAT ROOF AREA THE PARAPET AREAS

LIKE WHERE ARE WE? >> WHAT IS THE SCALE OF WHERE THE DEALING WOULD NECESSARILY STOP GO OVER TO THE LEFT OR YOUR CEILING GO TO THE DIMENSIONS TO THE LEFT.

>> YOUR AREA IS WHAT SHE'S ASKING HOW WHEN? >> YEAH I WANTED TO SEE LIKE IT DOESN'T TELL YOU BUT THE HEIGHTS AS FAR AS LIKE HOW HIGHER THESE PARAPET WALLS APPROXIMATELY FOUR OR FIVE FEET FROM THE TOP OF THE FIRST FLOOR THAT'S THE TOP OF STORE FRONT BUT THAT'S THE WINDOW THAT'S THE TOP OF PARAPET OF ALL OF THAT IN THE COMMERCIAL RETAIL ALMOST ALL OF YOUR UNITS ARE PACKAGE UNITS IN THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROOM I CAN SEE EVEN IF THEY'RE ON THE EDGES IF I DO COMMERCIAL HBC FOR A LIVING I'LL PASS CODE IF

THEY'RE VISIBLE. >> THAT'S RIGHT. I'M BACK TO ROME.

ALLOW IT TO WE CAN DO IT. >> CODE LOOKS I KNOW MY WHEELHOUSE SO YEAH.

>> RICHARD LOOK LET HIM HAPPEN. I CAN TELL YOU THAT SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF I'M REAL CONCERNED ABOUT THAT ONE I'M NOT WELL AND THEN JUST EVEN THE BALANCE OF THESE SIDE PROFILES AS YOU'RE COMING INTO THE PROPERTY I MEAN THAT'S LIKE THE FIRST LOT OF THESE LOOK THAT'S THE FIRST THING YOU SEE FROM A LOT OF THESE ACCESS POINTS AND THEY JUST FEEL AWKWARD.

SO I DON'T AGAIN I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FIX THAT BUT IT'S SO I THINK THAT IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE CURRENT MASTER PLAN THERE VERY HELPFUL .

>> WE HAVE THE REAL MASTER PLAN. THIS IS AN OFFICE THAT IS THE APPROVED THAT IS THE APPROVED MASTER PLAN THAT'S UP THERE NOW.

>> BUT WE'VE CHANGED THE ROAD FROM HIGHWAY MAKE MODIFICATION ON IT HAS THE REALITY THAT THE

BUILDINGS ARE THERE NO. >> JUST TO SHOW THE OVERALL GREEN SPACE ON HOW THESE BUILDINGS RELATE? I AGREE. THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN. THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT. TO SAY WHY DID WE LOOK INTO THAT COURTYARD WITH THE BUILDINGS IN BECAUSE AND IF ANYBODY HAS BEEN OUT THERE YOU CAN SEE IT THEY ARE TODAY YOU CAN SEE THAT OLD GRAY BEARD AND THE PADS THERE AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND THEY LOOKED RIGHT OVER INTO THE PARK AND INTO THE LAKES.

AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S A QUESTION AS FAR AS I THINK THAT YOU DO YOU WANT TO FOCUS ON THE COURTYARDS AND THE POND AND ALL THAT BUT YOU ALSO DON'T WANT TO

FORGET ABOUT THE OTHER SIDE. >> I DON'T KNOW. SO THAT'S THE CONCERN IS WHAT ARE YOU SEEING WHEN YOU DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT JUST SEEING THE COURTYARD SIDE, YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE OTHERS FROM THE OTHER APPROACHES.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING IF THERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO DISGUISE SOME OF THESE THINGS.

FOR ME IT'S LIKE I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S MY WORD IN MY HEAD TO SIMPLIFY THERE IS A LOT

OF THINGS. >> IT'S JUST VERY BUSY AND I DON'T I DON'T KNOW HOW TO TELL YOU WHAT TO DO BUT I THINK THE MASSING OF SOME OF THESE PIECES WERE BROKEN DOWN JUST A LITTLE

MORE. >> THERE IS DIFFERENT DEPTH INSTEAD OF A FOOT OR WHAT ARE

16 INCHES. >> IF IT WAS A LITTLE DEEPER HERE AND THERE RECESSED TO HELP ACTUALLY DISTINGUISH WELL THIS IS A BUILDING TYPE. HERE'S YOUR YOU KNOW, OVER TIME IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THIS AND THEN YOU'D HAVE THAT. BUT RIGHT NOW I DON'T FEEL LIKE ANY OF IT. I FEEL LIKE IT'S JUST LIKE PUT ON THERE AS A FACE THAT MAKES

SENSE. >> I THOUGHT IT WAS GETTING HE TOOK A RIB AND PUT IT TO THESE

PLANS IN THE FIFTH EDITION. >> AND HE HE SAID PULL OUT, PUSH IT IN AND DO IT.

AND WE DID THAT NOW MAY NOT SHOW UP ON THIS LITTLE TINY SCALE NOW BUT I HOPE YOU'VE GOT

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GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY. >> HOWEVER, I WOULD SAY THAT IF YOU DO THAT THAT YOU PROVIDE DIRECTION AS TO WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR IN ORDER TO TO TO GIVE THE APPLICANT AN IDEA OF WHAT TO PROVIDE TO JUST SAY WELL WE WANT YOU TO COME BACK WITH SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE. YOU NEED TO BE PRETTY SPECIFIC AS TO WHAT YOU'RE REQUESTING.

SO THAT WAY THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, UPDATE THE PLANS ACCORDINGLY OR IF YOU LIKE YOU CAN MAKE IT TO WHERE IT'S APPROVED WITH A CERTAIN CONDITION THAT IT'S YOU ON A STAFF LEVEL THAT THEY ARE THEN REQUIRED TO MAKE THE NECESSARY CHANGES AND THEN ALLOW STAFF TO THEN USE THAT AS THE DECIDING FACTOR OF FINISHING THAT APPROVAL PROCESS.

SO THAT WAY THEY CAN START MOVING FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT.

SO AGAIN IF YOU DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IMPROVING WITH CONDITIONS THEN YOU WANT STAFF TO USE THAT PROVIDE SPECIFIC DETAIL AS TO WHAT YOU ARE EXPECTING US TO BE SEEING WHEN WE ARE APPROVING A COUPLE MORE THINGS I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS. KATIE, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU REGARDING FOUNDATION PLANTINGS AROUND THE BUILDINGS. I SAW THE EIGHT FOOT FOUNDATION PLANTING REQUIREMENT BUT IS THAT ONLY ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDINGS?

>> IS THAT ON ALL SIDES OF THE BUILDINGS? IS THAT ONLY SOME OF THE BUILDINGS THAT IS LANDSCAPED BUFFER AT LEAST EIGHT FEET WIDE SHOULD BE MAINTAINED BETWEEN ANY STRUCTURE AND ANY PARKING OR DRIVING AREA EXCEPT FOR LOADING AREAS AND AREAS WHERE DRIVE THROUGH FACILITIES ARE UTILIZED WHICH THERE ARE NONE IN THIS ONE.

>> THIS SPACE WE RESERVE FOR PLANT MATERIAL OTHER THAN EXIT EITHER EXISTING OR PLANTED.

NO SUCH SPACE IS REQUIRED AT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING BUT IT IS ENCOURAGED SIDEWALK AND HANDICAPPED RAMPS MAYBE PLACED ADJACENT TO THE BUFFER ON EITHER SIDE THE BUMPER MAY BE PENETRATED TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE BUILDINGS AND IS NOT REQUIRED IN LOADING AREAS AS PROPOSED BUILDING IS THE AREA THAT IS OF THE MOST CONCERN AND THAT'S ON PAGE TWO OF MY SELF REPORT AND I FEEL VERY ABOUT IT AND THE ONLY LOADING AREA IS IS THE IS THE ONLY LOADING AREA THE ONE THAT'S UP HERE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY BY THAT SMALL GREEN SPACE OR THE

ONLY THE ONLY TRUCK LOADING AREA IS THERE. >> HOWEVER, WHILE IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TRUCK LOADING AREA ALL BUSINESSES ARE REQUIRED SOME SORT OF .

YES, IT'S PRISTINE UNTIL IT RECEIVED LOADING AREA WHICH IS TYPICALLY AT THE REAR OF THE

BUILDING. >> THEY LANDSCAPE PLANTINGS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPE PLANNING IF I CAN GET TO HEY I HOPE I DON'T BLOCK YOU OFF WHEN I MAKE THIS FULL SCREEN SO YOU

CAN SEE THE PLANTING AREAS HERE WITH THE ACCESS. >> THERE ARE A LOT OF DOORS AND WINDOWS ON THESE BUILDINGS WHICH IS WONDERFUL FOR VISIBILITY PURPOSES.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE PLANTING BOXES THAT ARE EIGHT FEET WIDE HERE.

SO THIS IS ON THIS SIDE. THEY'VE GOT GRASS AREA THAT'S ON AND THERE'S MORE PLANTINGS HERE, HERE, HERE. THIS ONE HAS THE SIDEWALK ON THE INSIDE OF IT.

BUT THERE IS THE GREEN SPACE BETWEEN THE PARKING AREAS. SO IT RUNS PERPENDICULAR ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. THEN AS THE LANDSCAPING SO THIS BUILDING HERE DOES AN EXCELLENT JOB OF THAT. THIS ONE AGAIN IT HAS THE WALKWAY WHICH IS PARALLEL TO THE BUILDING ON THE INSIDE OF THIS. BUT YOU'VE GOT MASSIVE GREEN SPACE AND THEN YOU HAVE THE PALM TREES HERE WHICH THIS ONE HAS A VERY SHORT SIDE ELEVATION HERE. BUT THE BACK LOADING AREA FOR THIS OR THE REAR OF THE BUILDING WHICH IS THE OTHER AREA WHICH IT IS PERMITTED TO NOT HAVE.

AND THEY HAVE PROVIDED THOSE PALM TREES WHICH ARE IN THE THEY'RE NOT THE ONES IN THE ISLANDS FOR THE PARKING. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE AGAIN THOSE BIG LANDSCAPE BOXES ALONG THIS BUILDING HERE. BUILDING E WHICH I'VE ZOOMED IN A LITTLE BIT HERE HAS THE FRONT ELEVATION IS IS LABELED AS THIS ONE HERE WHICH FACES THE PARKING LOT AND THEN THE LEFT

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LITTLE THREE FOOT BOXES IS WHAT'S THERE. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS IS SIMILAR TO THESE WHERE IT'S GOT THOSE PLANTING BEDS THAT HELP INCORPORATE MORE GREEN SPACE INTO THOSE FOUNDATIONS AND SOFTEN THAT BUFFER FROM THE FROM THE PARKING AREA THERE.

>> HI, THIS IS MIKE HUGHES OF TOMS REGARDING BUILDING. >> WE DO HAVE WE SUBMITTED SOMETHING I THINK AFTER THE COMMENTS WERE RAISED THAT CORRESPONDED TO THE BUILDING.

WE DO HAVE FOUNDATION PLANTINGS ON THREE SIDES. THE ONLY SIDE WE DON'T HAVE FOUNDATION PLANTINGS IS ACTUALLY WHERE THE FRONT DOOR IS.

AND PART OF THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE ACCESSIBILITY TO HAVE THE SIDEWALK WHEN YOU TURN THE CORNER. SO IF WE DO IT, THERE'S EVE OR AN AWNING THAT ACTUALLY PROTRUDES OUT OVER THE SIDEWALK WHICH TAKES A FAIR PORTION OF IT AND THEN ALSO TO GET THE ADA ACCESSIBILITY FROM THE SIDEWALK TO TURN THE CORNER. YOU KIND OF TURN TOWARDS THE BUILDING. SO THE PERSON FACING KIND OF DIAGONALLY UP WITH THE 88 PARKING IN FRONT OF IT THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY PLACE WE HAVEN'T HAD THE FULL PLANTING STRIPS AND THEN ALSO WE'VE GOT THE BOXED PALM TREES FRAMED OUT IN THE SIDEWALKS AND THEN AGAIN ANOTHER THING YOU DON'T GET TO SEE IS THAT THE RIGHT OF WAY WAS ALREADY APPROVED FOR LANDSCAPING THROUGH GOPHER. SO WE ALSO PROVIDE A SUPPLEMENTAL DRAWING SHOWGIRL WAS ALREADY APPROVED FOR THE STREETSCAPE SO YOU GET THE FULL PICTURE OF NOT JUST WHAT'S INSIDE THE VILLAGE BUT ALSO THE ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS THAT ARE DONE WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

>> AND THEN WHAT SPECIFICALLY ALONG THAT MAIN ENTRANCE NEAR BUILDING ME DO YOU KNOW? BECAUSE I DON'T I DON'T THINK I SAW A PLAN FOR THAT. DO YOU KNOW OR OKATIE CAN YOU ELIMINATE WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THAT RIGHT OF WAY SPACE? SO THIS IS NOT THE THIS IS THE RIGHT OF WAY SPACE. HE IS SPEAKING UP WITH THE ADDITIONAL PLANNING.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW WHERE WHAT? >> WHAT'S PLANNED FOR THAT?

>> I HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE APPROVED LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT WAS DONE TO THE RIGHT OF WAY

MEAN BECAUSE THIS IS I MEAN MAIN ENTRANCE. >> FIRST BUILDING YOU SEE AND THERE'S NOTHING I IF THE RIGHT OF WAY SHOWED SOMETHING OF INTEREST.

AND THAT MAY NOT BE NECESSARY FOR THE BOUNDARIES BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IT LOOKS LIKE I'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE PLANS THAT WERE APPROVED THIS IS MAKE YOU KNOW THAT THAT WAS APPROVED

. >> SO IT WOULD BE MY LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY HAS

ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. >> RIGHT.

>> I CAN'T SAY SAYING ADDITIONAL MAY BE REQUIRED IF IT'S NOT RIGHT IF IT'S JUST TURF, YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T KNOW. I DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT IT IS. AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT BUILDING DRESSED WITH LANDSCAPE IN SOME CAPACITY AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE OF THIS COMPLEX.

THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING AND I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION HERE TO DETERMINE IF I CAN SAY THAT THE LINDSAY PLAN FOR THE RIGHT OF WAYS WAS APPROVED TO THE STANDARDS WHICH ARE IN THE

ATTACHMENT 6 OF THIS. >> SO THERE WERE STREET TREES PLANTED ALONG THE ELEVATION AS WELL AS A MIX OF TURF AND AND BUSHES. THERE'S I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER EXACTLY HAVE TO HAVE MY HEAD BECAUSE I GOOD BUT NOT BACK AT OLIVE TREES PER OR AREA.

>> BASICALLY THAT IS REQUIRED AND PLANTINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED AND THEY HAD MET ALL OF THOSE

STANDARDS WHEN THIS WAS APPROVED. >> THERE ARE SHRUBS SPECIFICALLY IN THIS IS IN SOME CAPACITY. THERE'S THERE IS A THERE'S SUPPLEMENTARY I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THIS EXACT LOCATION BUT ALONG THE RIGHT OF WAY THERE IS I

DIDN'T KNOW SPECIES. >> BUT YES, ON THAT SIDE THERE IS ONE PLACE WE DON'T IS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THAT WHICH IS BECAUSE THE HARD SCAPE GOES RIGHT UP TO IT.

>> OK, I UNDERSTAND. OK. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE I DON'T THINK BUILDINGS SEE NECESSARILY MEETS THE INTENT OF FOUNDATION PLANTING BETWEEN THE BUILDING ON THE SIDES BETWEEN THAT AND THE PARKING THREE PALM TREES DOESN'T SEEM LIKE AN EIGHT FOOT

WIDE PLANTING STRIP. >> SO SIMILARLY YOU'VE COMMENTED ON BUILDING E. IT WOULD SEEM BUILDINGS YOU WOULD ALSO BE SUBJECT TO A SIMILAR CONCERN REGARDING THE BUFFER IT MENTIONED WHEN I WAS REVIEWING THE DOCUMENTS THAT IT WAS REQUIRED TO HAVE A CERTAIN

NUMBER OF OVER STOREY UNDERSTORY AND SHRUBS. >> THAT'S THE PORTION THAT WAS APPROVED THROUGH THESE ALREADY TO. YES THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT PREPARATION AS THAT WAS IT WAS PROBABLY RIGHT BEFORE YOU JOINED THE COMMISSION BECAUSE IT WAS BASICALLY. YEAH. HOWEVER THERE WAS ONE FOR THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT THE RIGHT OF WAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT ADDRESSED ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THOSE OVERSAW A THREE COUNTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

>> SO WE. SO THE BUFFER REQUIREMENTS CALCULATIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN THAT PREVIOUS APPLICATION. YES. YES.

WHAT ONE OTHER QUESTION. OR GO SOMEBODY THERE LIGHTING PLAN THAT I SAW IN HERE THE

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THOSE TO US. >> WE'RE HAPPY TO LOOK INTO THEM YOU KNOW THAT ARE MINOR ITEMS WHILE THE OVERALL INTENT OUR GOAL IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS IF IT IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH APPROVAL APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS OR TO DENY THAT REQUEST.

SO WE WOULD BE LOOKING FROM A STAFF LEVEL FOR DIRECTION AS TO WHAT YOU'RE WANTING TO DO

TERRIBLE THINGS AND OPTION 2. >> THAT'S A QUESTION BECAUSE THEY WERE LOOKING FOR SPECIFIC ON THE ARCHITECTURE FROM MY MIND. OUR INTENT HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO HAVE IT LOOK LIKE IT'S SMALLER BUILDINGS IF IT'S NOT. AND WHAT I'M HEARING FROM YOU IF I'M HEARING RIGHT IS IT DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT ESPECIALLY LIKE KATIE MENTIONED BUILDING D I KNOW THEY'VE TRIED TO BREAK DOWN THE NEW BUILDING BE THE BUILDING D I THINK NEEDS A

LITTLE MORE WORK ON THE MASSIVE SCALE. >> SO I'M GOING TO SAY THAT TO MAKE IT MORE LIKE THE VILLAGE VERSUS A COMMERCIAL STRIP CENTER.

QUESTION THOUGH THAT AMASSING A BUILDING D. >> ARE THERE SPECIFIC AREAS WHICH DO IT WELL ON BUILDING D OR OR NEED LIKE IS THERE AN AREA WHICH I CAN POINT OUT THOUGH NEEDS SPECIFIC HELP LIKE EVEN IF YOU COMBINE AND I DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY YOU WANT TO GO WITH IT BUT EVEN IF YOU COMBINED A COUPLE OF THOSE OTHER ELEMENTS INSTEAD OF HAVING ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR FIVE SIX SEVEN ELEMENTS IF MAYBE IF YOU KNOW YOU'VE GOT THE BIGGER PIECE ON THE LEFT, MAYBE THERE'S A BIGGER PIECE ON THE RIGHT AND IT BALANCES

THERE'S A CONNECTION IN BETWEEN. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER NECESSARILY IS WITH THE ARCHITECTURE BUT IF THERE WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WAS PUSHED OR PULLED IN THAT HILL, WHY DON'T WE JUST TABLE IT AND LET US COME BACK WITH SOMETHING

WE PORRIDGE. >> LISTEN, WE WILL LISTEN. WE'LL GET BACK WITH THE STAFF AND THIS TABLE ANALYSTS COME BACK WITH THESE SPECIFIC ITEMS ON LIGHTING, LANDSCAPING AND EVERYTHING. IT'LL BE A BETTER PRESENTATION NEXT TIME, I PROMISE.

WELL, THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO COME BACK WITH THEN WOULD BE A ROOF PLAN BECAUSE SOME OF THESE ROOMS ARE JUST I'M HAVING A HARD TIME VISUALLY.

>> LIKE I DO THIS EVERY DAY. SO FOR ME IT'S DIFFICULT RIGHT NOW UNDERSTANDING WHERE CERTAIN THINGS ARE STOPPING AND STARTING. IF YOU COULD COME BACK WITH A ROOF PLANT AND MAYBE SHOW WHERE THOSE UNITS AND I KNOW THEY'RE GONNA BE IN THE MIDDLE NOT THE KIND OF SHOW AN IDEA OF WHERE THINGS WOULD BE. I KNOW WHERE THESE PARENTS ARE STOPPING AND STARTING AND ABSOLUTELY THESE DIFFERENT ROOFS ARE GOING IN EVERYBODY'S LIFE. LET ME COME BACK. SO THEN NOTE THE POWERS STOP

MOTION MISS. >> I'M SORRY. PLEASE GO.

OKAY. MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST BRIEFLY BEFORE IT IS TABLED SO THAT WHEN THEY ARE BRINGING BACK THIS APPLICATION THEY HAVE SOME DIRECTION BECAUSE WE WANT IT TO BE SUCCESSFUL. WHAT I AM UNDERSTANDING FROM YOUR CONVERSATIONS IS THAT THE LANDSCAPING ON BUILDING C AND BUILDING E AND BUILDING E WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT THAT THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THAT AREA JUST SO THAT IT'S VISIBLE.

BUT C SPECIFICALLY THE RIGHT LEFT ELEVATIONS, THE LIGHT POLES WITH THE TREES TO ENSURE THAT THEY DON'T CONFLICT THE HBC LOCATIONS THAT A ROOF PLANS WE CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND THEN THE MASSING SPECIFICALLY UNBILLED D PERHAPS COMBINING SEVERAL OF THESE ELEMENTS TO BALANCE THE STRUCTURE BETTER AND SIMPLIFY THE DESIGN SO THAT IT IS FEWER

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OKAY. SO BUILDING D JUST DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE A COMPLETELY IT DOESN'T GO WITH ANYBODY ELSE. I WANT IT ALL TO BE COHESIVE. I THINK I HAVE DIRECTION FOR

THAT. YES GOOD QUESTION. >> A COHESIVE BUT MY SENSE IS STAFF PROBABLY HELP THEM TRY TO MAKE THIS BIG BUILDING NOT LOOK LIKE A BIG BUILDING.

AND HOW FAR DO THEY DO YOU WANT THEM TO TAKE IT FROM THIS WHICH LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF LITTLE

BUILDINGS. >> HOW FAR DO THEY GO? WELL, I DO WHAT I DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE AND NOW I'M TRYING TO BE NICE ABOUT SOME OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.

HAVE TO BE CAREFUL. >> WE'RE REALLY JUST STUCK ON THERE AND I DON'T WANT TO LOOK

LIKE MATERIALS. >> WE'RE JUST STUCK ON THERE. THEY WERE THERE FOR A PURPOSE.

THEY MADE THIS BUILDING ELEMENT LIKE ON MORE THAN JUST A FACE. >> THAT MAKES SENSE.

>> SO MAYBE IF IT WAS ARTICULATED MORE LIKE SOME THINGS WERE PUSHED BACK MORE AND THEN THE MATERIALS CONTINUED TO SHOW THAT THIS WAS AN ELEMENT AND NOT JUST THIS IS THE ELEMENT I MOVE THAT WE TABLE IT FOR THE TIME BEING THE DEVELOPER COMES BACK TO US WITH

A SECOND BY SECOND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AREA. >> I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR COMMENTS THAT ARE ON THE STAFF REPORT ARE ALSO ADDRESSED AS WELL.

>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR I LIKE YOUR POST. >> THANK YOU.

SORRY. THANK YOU AND SURE I'LL GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU AND TEXT MS. AND OUR MADAM CHAIRWOMAN SINCE WE ARE AT 920 I DON'T TYPICALLY HEAR NEW ITEMS AFTER 930 AND MUSTERS A VOTE AND WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF ITEMS LEFT REMAINING ON OUR AGENDA.

>> UP UNLESS THERE IS ANYBODY HERE WHO IS IN ATTENDANCE BECAUSE OF PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 115 BLUFFTON ROAD ANNEXATION 10 OR THE 115 BLUFFTON ROADS ZONING MAP AMENDMENT OUT OF MINDFULNESS OF THE OTHER APPLICANTS WHO WERE HERE ON THE PEDIATRIC SMILES BLUFFTON PLAY BUCKLED PLACE VETERINARY CLINIC BLUFFTON ASSEMBLAGE AND THE GEARY ROAD REZONING REQUEST IF I MAY DERBY DO WE HAVE ANYBODY WHO SUBMITTED PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FOR 115 BLUFFTON ROAD OR THE ANNEXATION?

NO SIR. >> IT'S UP TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION BUT YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER JUST A MOTION TO AMEND THE AGENDA TO MOVE THE TO TOWN OF BLUFFTON APPLICATIONS TO THE

VERY END. >> OKAY. OKAY.

>> I HAVE A MOTION TO AMEND THE AGENDA TO MOVE NO SIX AND SEVEN OF NEW BUSINESS TO THE END

OF THE AGENDA REMOVED SECOND. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON FAVOR?

[IX.8. Pediatric Smiles (Preliminary Development Plan): A request by Andrew Klosterman forapproval of a Preliminary Development Plan Application. The project consists of the construction of an 8,000 square foot building to serve as dental/medical offices with associated parking and infrastructure. The property is zoned Shultz Tract Planned Unit Development & consists of 1.06 acres identified by tax map number R610 031 000 1381 0000 located at 291 Red Cedar Street. (DP-08-21-015711) (Staff- Will Howard)]

WELL MYSELF I'LL GO THEREFORE WANTED TO GET THIS GAME TONIGHT FOUR OF PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROJECT CONSISTS OF THE CONSTRUCTION EIGHT THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT BUILDING TO SERVE AS A DENTAL MEDICAL OFFICE WITH ASSOCIATED PARKING AND INFRASTRUCTURE.

>> IT IS ZONED SCHULTZ TRACK PD AND CONSIST OF ONE POINT EIGHTY SIX ACRES AND IT'S TO 91 RED CEDAR. OK, THANK YOU. THAT WAS A GOOD INTRODUCTION.

AGAIN THIS IS FOUR AND EIGHT THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT COMMERCIAL BUILDING TO BE USED AS A DENTAL OFFICE WITH ADDITIONAL SPACE AVAILABLE FOR RENT FOR RETAIL USE.

GIVE A QUICK LOCATION WE GO JUST FOR LOCATION PURPOSES. >> THIS IS RED CEDAR STREET AT

THE INTERSECTION OF BLUFFTON PARKWAY. >> FOR THOSE OF YOU FAMILIAR,

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>> SO THEY WERE ABLE TO DO THAT. AS YOU CAN SEE THEY'VE PROVIDED ALL THE REQUIRED PARKING FOR THE SHOP'S TRACK PD AND PARK MASTER PLAN HERE YOU CAN SEE THE TREE THE THE TRACT IS MOSTLY PLANTED PINES AS IS PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THE SHOTS TRACK TV AND HERE THEY'VE PROVIDED A CONSTANT LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT THEY WILL SATISFY ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PFOA AND JUST TO GO BACK OVER THE HISTORY OF THE CONCEPT TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT YOU SAW THAT WE JUST SHOWED IS A CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

>> THEY'VE ALSO PROVIDED CONCEPTUAL PLANS FOR LIGHTING. NEITHER OF THOSE ARE REQUIRED AT THE TIME OF PRELIMINARY WE JUST ASKED THEM TO PROVIDE THEM SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THEIR INTENT. ALSO KNOW THAT THEY WILL BE PROVIDED THEY WILL BE REQUIRED AND THEY'VE ALREADY PROVIDED A CONDITIONAL LETTER OF APPROVAL .

AARP AND THE BOSTON PARK PFOA AND FINAL APPROVAL WILL BE REQUIRED BEFORE WE WOULD RELEASE THEIR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT. SO AS WITH ANY PRELIMINARY

DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THERE ARE SIX CRITERIA THAT WE REVIEW. >> AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE APPROVAL OF THE LOCAL PMA IS REQUIRED NO ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC REQUIREMENTS OR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS ARE REQUIRED PER THE ORIGINAL TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS. ALL IMPROVEMENTS WERE MADE TO RED CEDAR OR PRIOR. ALL UTILITIES WILL BE PROVIDED WILL BE CONSTRUCTED IN A SINGLE PHASE AND WE HAVE DETERMINED THAT THE APPLICATION IS COMPLETE.

SO TONIGHT YOU CAN APPROVE THIS APPLICATION HAS IT SUBMITTED APPROVE IT CONDITIONS TABLED IT OR DENY THE APPLICATION STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT YOU APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS IT

WAS SUBMITTED. >> I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE

APPLICANT HERE AS WELL. >> THE APPLICANT WANT TO SPEAK BRIEFLY I'M SURE.

DAN, JUST A COUPLE WORDS. YOUR MAN IS SO NEAR. HE'S SO HE'S TALKING SO MUCH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING US. DAN KEIFER WHITMORE ROJANSKY 4 AND JASON JASON BERNIE RECORDS CRITICS. WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THAT WAS HAVE ONE QUESTION. WHERE'S THE TRASH SERVICE AREA

? >> AS OF NOW WE'RE GOING TO ROLL OUT BINS LOCATED AT THE

BACK OF THE BUILDING WITH THAT IN THE CORNER IS OVER HERE. >> AS I WALK BY IT THERE'S A

THERE'S A BACKDOOR ENTRANCE TO THE SIDEWALK. >> THE ACCESS IS ALL THE BUILDING'S TO BE AT THE BACK. THE BUILDING IS WHERE THE WANTED WERE.

>> IT LOOKS LIKE IT LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT BE A SERVICE AREA. YEAH, ACTUALLY THAT'S THAT'S AN ENTRY POINT AND THEN PARALLEL OR IN LINE WITH THAT THERE IS A THERE'S A A SERVICE SHARD IN

LINE WITH THAT IF I CAN ANNOUNCE SO WE CAN POINT. >> YEAH RIGHT THERE.

>> THE TREE LINE ACTUALLY SHOWS THE GO TO THE PAGES. THAT'S THERE THERE RIGHT THERE.

IT'S ONE OF THOSE ITEMS AS WE PROCEED. >> FINAL DRAWINGS.

>> CAN YOU SHOW US AN UPDATE TO THAT OR HOW COME SHOW US WHERE ON THERE THAT AND THEN WHAT'S THE USE FOR THAT FUTURE SPACE IN THAT SPACE? WHAT'S THE IDEA OF WHAT THOSE MIGHT ENTAIL? POTENTIALLY SKY'S THE LIMIT. WE DON'T KNOW YET.

>> SO IF THEY HAD IF THEY HAD GREATER TRUST SERVICE NEEDS THAN THE DENTIST OFFICE THAT

MIGHT NECESSITATE SOMETHING LARGER. >> IS THAT SOMETHING OF CONCERN THAT WE CAN DO THAT WE WOULD EVEN BE ADDRESSING AT THIS POINT? AS OF NOW IT WOULD BE PRIVATE SERVICE SO THEY WOULD HAVE THEY WOULDN'T BASICALLY HAD THERE BEEN THAT WOULD BE MAYBE THE SPEED FREQUENCY OF SERVICE CHARGE THE INDIVIDUAL TENANT

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NOT A RESTAURANT. >> SO IS THERE A LIMIT TO THE USES THAT COULD BE IN THOSE SPACES THAT MIGHT DICTATE WHAT IT COULD BE THAT IN TERMS OF LEVEL OF TRASH THAT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT? I MEAN AS OF NOW ITS RETAIL OFFICE THERE'S OTHER USES THAT COULD BE. WE DON'T WE DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT BUT ISN'T ZONED FOR LIKE

RESTAURANT OR ANY BRAND THAT. >> I MEAN IT'S NOT SET UP THAT PARKING IN THE STRUCTURE.

>> I GUESS IT'S THE POINT IS IT COULDN'T BE A PARKING THAT'S PROVIDED WAS FOR OFFICE RETAIL RETAIL ONLY RESTAURANT IT WOULD BE A MUCH HIGHER AND INTENSE USE FOR TRYING TO GET OUT AS MAKE SURE THAT IT'S JUST OFFICE RETAIL NOT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE BUT OFFICER HOTEL WE CERTAINLY CLARIFY THAT IS WITH STAFF ALONG THE WAY AS IF WE USED TO GET DEFINED THAT WE NEED TO ADD THAT WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT IT IN A DUMPSTER OR COMEDY OR OTHER USES THAT WE COULD ASK THAT QUESTION THE CLIENT AND THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT I HEARD WAS

JUST JUST LOOK AT YOUR PLANT LIST. >> I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE DEER FOOD BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S DEER OUT HERE. THAT'S RIGHT.

AND I THINK YOU'RE PROFESSIONAL ENOUGH TO KNOW WHAT NEIL ENTERTAIN A MOTION WE APPROVE

AS SUBMITTED AND ALL IN FAVOR. >> I KNOW. ALL RIGHT.

THANKS. 929 EVERYONE. I'M TURNING ON THEIR WHAT DO WE

DO NOW GIVEN THAT IT IS NOW IN 30 THIS NEXT AGENDA ITEM? >> LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND DO A MOTION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONTINUE TO HEAR HEAR THESE ITEMS AS YELLS AS

YOU ELSE SEE FIT. >> THE NEXT ONE IS THE BOOK ALTER PLACE VISIONARY CLINIC.

BUT IF YOU WANT TO EMOTION TO CONTINUE TO HEAR THESE ITEMS MAY HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE TO HEAR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA AS IT IS 930 MOTION MOTION AND IF I MAY.

>> WE DO HAVE I'M MINDFUL OF YOUR TIME. I'M ALSO MINDFUL OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN HERE OR TWICE A YEAR THREE IN THREE AND A HALF HOURS WAITING TO HAVE THEIR APPLICATION HEARD. BELLMAN ASSOCIATES ALEX THE DANIEL AYER AND MR. J.C.

FRAZIER ARE THE REZONING AND THE THERE WAS A SWITCH TO THE NEXT TWO.

>> WE HAD TO ORDER THE NUMBER NINE AND NUMBER ELEVEN NUMBER SIX A NUMBER SEVEN BOTH HAD TO BE PUBLIC JUST UNDER THE SOUTH CAROLINA 30 DAYS ADVANCE NOTICE.

SO I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO HAVE HALF STAFF WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU CONTINUE THE ITEMS THAT ARE ARE ON THE AGENDA INCLUDING SIX AND SEVEN PUTTING ALL THE ITEMS.

YES. >> OKAY. YEAH.

>> CAN WE TAKE A THREE MINUTE RECESS AND TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS IF YOU WILL? HOW MANY MINUTES DO WE NEED PEOPLE CAN WE HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO DO A MOTION MOTION FOR A REASON. MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR A RECESS MOTION

MINUTES IS UP. >> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUSINESS.

I HAVE TO. WHAT I DO NOW. I JUST YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE ALL

THIS BACK IN BACK IN SESSION. >> RECESS IS OVER. >> MADAM CHAIRWOMAN, IF I MAY.

AGAIN, RICH CELEBRITIES FROM FINGER MELNICK BROOKS AND BRUCE HERE TALKING TO ALL ABOUT THE REMAINING ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA. AGAIN, WE ARE WELL AFTER 930. AND TO BE MINDFUL OF YOUR TIME, THE APPLICANT'S TIME AND ALSO THE INVESTMENT DOWN IS DONE INTO THE PUBLIC NOTICE.

ONE THING I WOULD REMIND YOU ALL THAT YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONSIDER IS HOLDING A SPECIAL MEETING FOR THE REMAINING ITEMS ON THIS AGENDA AT I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE THE APPLICANTS HERE FOR ITEMS NUMBER 9 10 AND 11. THAT BEING SAID, WE DO HAVE THE

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GET ALL THE REST OF THIS EVENING. >> IF I MAY AND JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND RAMIFICATIONS THE PLANNING WORKSHOP ITEM FOR MR. MR. SO THAT IS IT IS PROGRAMS TO GO COME BACK TO YOU IN NOVEMBER NOVEMBER 17TH MEETING AS A AS A PUBLIC HEARING AS YOU KNOW, WE ARE REQUIRED TO POST NOTIFICATIONS 30 DAYS PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO IF WE DO NOT HOLD THE WORKSHOP WHICH IS A REQUIRED REQUIREMENT, WE THEN CAN'T HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING WHICH THEN CAUSES THE CHAIN REACTION OF OF MORE INCURRED COSTS FOR HIM TO

CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD. >> BUT IF WE HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING ON THE 27TH AND IT

STILL FITS THAT TIME FRAME. RIGHT. >> I'LL LOOK AT HOW I LOOK INTO BUT WE MAY BE ABLE TO POST THE NOTICE HERE EVEN IF WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT THE WORKSHOP SO THAT YOU KNOW, THE NOTICE IS RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WITH WORKSHOP. I WILL.

I MIGHT HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT. I APOLOGIZE AND I'VE BEEN ASKED THAT QUESTION BEFORE AND CAN

KIND OF BE MAD, OK? >> WHAT IS EVERYBODY'S CONSENSUS? ALWAYS TALK FIRST. LISTEN, THIS TIME I'M LOOKING AT THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET AND T AGAIN TO THE EXTENT MATTERS AND OBVIOUSLY I KNOW YOU'VE HAD A BUSY NIGHT ALREADY.

>> IT IS ABSOLUTELY STAFF'S POSITION TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE ITEMS AND TRY TO TRY TO ADDRESS AS MANY OF THEM AS WE CAN THIS EVENING .

WELL, I CAN SAY THIS MUCH AS THE COMMISSION YOU'RE GOING TO GET BURIED IN ITEM NUMBER 10.

>> CAN WE PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH ONE AND TRY AND GET DONE BY 10:00 OR NO, THAT'S NOT HOW THAT WORKS. I THINK THE REST OF UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS ISSUES WITH THEM AND I'M JUST BEING HONEST THAT'S ONE THAT THAT MAY GET ME ATTRACTED OVER SAY YOU.

>> I CAN I CAN SPEAK WITH THE APPLICANT BUT I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.

I MEAN IT'S AGAIN IT'S AFTER 930 IS ON THE AGENDA THAT ANY ITEM AFTER 930 YO CAN DECLINE TO HEAR AND JUST AMEND THE AGENDA TO PUT THAT ONE AT THE VERY END.

I MEAN WE CAN WE CAN MANAGE THAT. >> WE STILL NEED TO DO A SPECIAL MEETING TO ADDRESS THE REST FOR NOW THAT WE IF IT IS A IF IT'S A BIG ISSUE AND IT'S ONE THAT'S GONNA BE HEAVILY DISCUSSED, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT AGAIN IT'S BEING MINDFUL OF THE APPLICANT'S TIME AND THE APPLICANT GOLFS THEY'VE BEEN HERE THIS EVENING AND THAT WOULD BE PUTTING THEM OFF ANOTHER 30 DAYS I THINK IF WE COULD SCHEDULE ME A SPECIAL

NATIONAL MEETING. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO THEN LET'S GET A MOTION TO AMEND THE AGENDA TO CONTINUE WITH ITEM NINE AND ELEVEN SIX

AND SEVEN. >> SO UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS GOT KATHLEEN YOU HAD ISSUES WITH IT BEFORE SOMEBODY THINKS WE'RE GONNA GET BOGGED DOWN ON ONE OF THESE THEN I'M I'M SO SURE AND ABOUT 6 AND 7 AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT TAMMY 9/11 AND BUT IF WE POSTPONE SIX AND

SEVEN THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE WE MEET ON THE 27TH. >> IT'S STILL IT'S BECAUSE YOU 30 DAY NOTICED IT NOT 6 AND 7. WELL IF YOU HAVEN'T 30 DAY NOTICE TODAY TODAY.

SO WE HAVE 30 DAY NOTICE 6 AND 7 FOR A HEARING TO OCCUR THIS EVENING.

AND SO THAT IS THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING IN THIS MATTER. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, KEVIN IS GOING BEFORE TOWN COUNCIL ON ARE THESE GOING UP UNTIL DECEMBER DECEMBER.

BUT EVEN SEATTLE FOR DECEMBER WE'D HAVE TO PUT A 30 DAY NOTICE AND THAT WOULD BE THE THE NEW NOTICE WILL BE THE AT THE SECOND SECOND FINAL. SO IF YOU SO CHOOSE IF YOU DECIDE TO HOLD A SPECIAL MEETING MY REQUEST WOULD BE TO TO OPEN THEM OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN YOU GET INTO THE SPECIFIC DATE AND THEN THAT WAY WE CAN CONTINUE AT THAT POINT IT'S STILL OPEN. AND THEN IT DOESN'T THE FIRST READING WOULDN'T GO TO TOWN

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. >> WE GO AHEAD AN OPEN PUBLIC HEARING FOR SIX AND SEVEN.

>> THEN WHAT HAPPENED? >> SO IT SOUNDS LIKE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND I'D AGREE WITH IT IS TO GO AHEAD AND LET'S CONTINUE THIS MEETING UNTIL A DATE CERTAIN BASE ESSENTIALLY POSTPONE CONSIDERATION OF THESE AGENDA ITEMS UNTIL A DATE CERTAIN WHICH WILL BE MEETING TO BE HELD NEXT WEEK ON GATHERING OR TWO WEEKS YOU NEXT WEDNESDAY BECAUSE TWO WEEKS IS REGULAR MISSION MEETING IN NOW 17TH 17TH WHICH IS TWO WEEKS.

>> DID IT HAVE TO BE NEXT WEDNESDAY, FRIDAY NIGHT? >> IT CAN HAVE TO BE WEDNESDAY MAYBE SOONER TO FRIDAY, FRIDAY AT 5 O'CLOCK NEXT TUESDAY AS COUNSEL.

>> SO WE CAN'T DO IT THEN BUT THEN AND I'M I'M DEFERRING TO KEVIN IN DARBY AND THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMITTEE THE PLANNING STAFF HERE GROWTH MANAGEMENT FORUM AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS AN OPENING HERE FOR THAT DATE AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THAT ALL OF YOUR

SCHEDULES CAN ACCOMMODATE MY KNOWLEDGE. >> IT'S ONLY IN TOWN COUNCIL ON NEXT TUESDAY THAT WOULD BE A SIX O'CLOCK MEETING OPEN THAT'S OPEN.

>> WEDNESDAY IS OPEN, RIGHT? YEAH. AGAIN I WOULD LIKE MY REQUEST IS FOR HIS WORKSHOP ITEM IF WE COULD IF WE COULD JUST HEAR THAT ONE THIS EVENING FOR MR. FRAZIER AGAIN HE'S WAITED A LONG TIME FOR THIS ONE. OKAY.

AND I DO UNDERSTAND EVERYONE ELSE HAS WAITED A LONG TIME AS WELL FOR THESE ITEMS.

WELL, I THINK WE CAN DO NINE AS WELL. >> VETERINARY DON'T YOU GUYS? I MEAN OKAY SO WE'RE GONNA GO AND DO NINE AND 11 AND THEN WE'RE GONNA POSTPONE THE OTHERS AND WE'LL BE OKAY WITH THE 6 AND 7 PUBLIC HEARING. SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS GO AHEAD AND WE'LL HEAR HEAR NUMBER NINE HERE NUMBER ELEVEN AND THEN CONTINUE THE MEETING UNTIL WHAT SOUNDING LIKE NEXT WEDNESDAY AND WE'LL GET THAT DAY WE'LL GET EVERYTHING WRAPPED UP AND I'LL I'LL PREPARE A MOTION FOR Y'ALL THAT DOES NOT MESS THIS UP WITH 6 AND 7.

>> LET ME LET ME PREPARE A MOTION FOR Y'ALL AND I WANT TO START ON.

>> NO, NOT YOU WANT TO READ GENDER AND YOU WANT. >> ALL RIGHT.

[IX.9. Buckwalter Place Veterinary Clinic (Preliminary Development Plan): A request by Alec B. Metzger, P.E. on behalf of Daniel Iyer, DVM, for approval of a Preliminary Development Plan. The project consists of the development of a +/- 9,000 square foot veterinary clinic with associated utilities, parking, and infrastructure. The property is zoned Buckwalter Planned Unit Development and consists of 0.710 acres identified by tax map number R610 029 000 1732 000, located within the Buckwalter Place Master Plan. (DP-07-21-15654) (Staff- Will Howard)]

>> I DON'T NEED TO MAKE WHILE I GUESS WE'RE STILL IN ORDER. OKAY SO BUT QUARTER PLACE BATTERY CLINIC I'M SORRY. POINT OF ORDER. DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE? I THINK WE'RE FINE. LET'S JUST LET'S JUST MOVE ON NOW TO THE BACK AFTER THIS. SORRY I DIDN'T WANT TO PAY FOR A PROMOTION PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN 9000 SQUARE FOOT THEN THE FREE CLINIC WITH ASSOCIATED UTILITIES PARKING AND INFRASTRUCTURE THE PROPERTY ZONE BACKWATER PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AND CONSISTS OF POINT 7 1 0 ACRES LOCATED WITHIN BUCHWALD TO REPLACE MASTER PLAN.

OKAY. >> THANK YOU. TAKING CARE OF MY FIRST SLIDE.

SO STAFF HAS WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT ON SEVERAL PRE APPLICATION MEETINGS TO COME UP WITH SITE PLANNING ON THIS VERY ODDLY SHAPED PARCEL WE ACTUALLY REVIEWED.

COMMENTS DRC AT THE SEPTEMBER 1ST MEETING OF THE DRC. A FEW REVISIONS WERE REQUIRED STAFF. THE APPLICANT PROVIDED THOSE REVISIONS AND HAVE PROVIDED A SITE PLAN THAT MEETS ALL OF OUR REQUESTS. AGAIN THIS IS IN BOOKWORK TO PLACE THIS IS FORMALLY KNOWN AS LOT SIX ABOVE. WALTER PLACE JUST FOR REFERENCE. THIS BUILDING HERE IS THE SOUTHERN BURIAL WHICH MANY IN THIS LARGER BUILDING DOWN IS THE STATION 300 BACKWATER PLACE BOULEVARD GOES INTO THE MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT MYSTIC BLUFF OF COURSE ACROSS THE STREET THERE.

AGAIN, HERE'S TO THE OVERALL MASTER PLAN WILL WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS BUILDING C

IDENTIFIED ON THIS MASTER PLAN AS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. >> SO AGAIN THIS WAS AN ODDLY

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WE CLOSED THAT SO THAT WE COULD PLACE THE BUILDING AND THE REHABILITATION YARD AND THEN GAIN PRIMARY ACCESS. DOWN HERE COMING FROM THE ADJACENT PARKING LOT WITH ACCESS HERE OFTEN BUT WALTER PLACE BOULEVARD EXIT TO QUOTE REPLACE BOULEVARD ONE WAY ALL THE APPLICANT WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE ALL THE NECESSARY PARKING DUMPSTER AND CLOSURE.

>> LANDSCAPING USING PERVIOUS PAVERS AS YOU CAN SEE AND THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO OBTAIN FULL APPROVAL OF THE BUCKBOARD TO PLACE A RB. THE PLAN IS CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW WITH THEM BUT IT WILL WE WILL REQUIRE THEIR APPROVAL LETTER PRIOR TO FINAL APPROVAL

AND ISSUE ITSELF THE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT. >> AS WITH THE OTHER PRELIMINARY PLAN THERE ARE SIX CRITERIA ON THIS PLAN. IN THE BUCKHORN PD NOT SUBJECT TO ARTICLE 5 OF THE UNIT. WE TALKED ABOUT ABANDONING THE CURB CUT AND ENCROACHMENT PERMIT FOR THAT ABANDONMENT AND THE ADDITIONAL SIDEWALK CONNECTION THAT ENCROACHMENT PERMIT WILL BE REQUIRED AND ISSUED FROM THE TOWN OF BOSTON AND AGAIN THEY'LL ALSO BE ABLE

TO THE ALSO REQUIRED TO PROVIDE THAT LETTER FROM THE AWAY. >> NO ADDITIONAL ROAD

IMPROVEMENTS ARE REQUIRED. ALL UTILITIES ARE AVAILABLE. >> THIS WILL BE CONSTRUCTED IN A SINGLE PHASE AND THE APPLICATION HAS BEEN DETERMINED TO BE COMPLETE SO YOU CAN EITHER APPROVE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS TABLE OR DENY THIS APPLICATION AND STAFF IS

RECOMMENDING THAT WE APPROVE IT AS IT'S SUBMITTED. >> I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

>> WE HAVE THE ENGINEER OF RECORD HERE AS WELL TO SPEAK .

GOOD AFTERNOON. >> MALIK MINTZ. GOOD NIGHT.

GOOD NIGHT. EVENING EMC ENGINEERING. >> SO THE ONLY THING I'D REALLY LIKE DEAD IS A SO DR. DANIEL HAS A BIT OFFICE ALREADY. BUT WALTER PLACE HE HE RENTS OR LEASES THAT FACILITY. HE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY I GUESS LAST YEAR EARLY THIS YEAR. SO HE'S JUST SINCE HE'S NOT A DEVELOPER, HE'S GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT A FIT CAN HE FIT HIS NEW VET CLINIC HERE

AND MAKE IT WORK AND STAY IN THE COMMUNITY. >> GLAD TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. >> MY FIRST DOWN HERE I HAVE A

COUPLE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS AND MAYBE MORE STAFF RELATED. >> WELL, IS THERE ANY KIND OF WERE THAT ANGLED PARKING IS THAT COMES ALONG THAT ONE WAY? ARE THEY REQUIRED TO HAVE A

WALKWAY ALONG THERE AT ALL? >> I THINK I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SOUTH OF THAT

BE FOR JASPER OR LONG THERE. >> NO, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE ANY PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION

THERE. >> THE ONLY PLACE THAT I MIGHT SAY IS AS AN AFTERTHOUGHT MIGHT WANT TO PUT A CONNECTION MAYBE RIGHT THROUGH THE SHRUBS BUT THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FROM THE PD OR THE I MEAN IF YOU LOOK AT THE REMAINDER OF THE PARKING AREAS AND BOOK PLACE, NOT EVERY

PARKING SPACE IS CONNECTED VIA A SIDEWALK. >> YEAH I'D LOVE TO SEE A CONNECTION THERE. POSSIBLE JUST TO MINIMIZE OF PEDESTRIANS.

THERE AS YOU CONTINUE AROUND THAT ONE WAY AND PASS THE DUMPSTER JUST PAST THE TWO SPACES. ANGLES BACK AND THEN RUNS PARALLEL TO THE PROPERTY LINE.

IF IT STARTS TO MAKE IT FEEL LIKE YOU COULD USE THAT AS AN EXTRA PARKING SPACE.

>> THEN I WAS RIGHT HERE AND THAT LITTLE NOTE JUST WORK THIS TOO TIGHT.

ANYWAY TO HAVE THOSE TWO SPACES. >> IT FEELS AWKWARD AND I HAVE A FEELING PEOPLE ARE GONNA END UP PARKING THAT SPACE AND THEN PARKING.

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I'M NOT SURE. >> I THINK ERIC. SO THAT WAS A.

YEAH. HERE. YEAH.

YEAH. I MEAN THIS WE MIGHT HAVE A LIKE A GORE OR STRIPING PAINTED THERE. YEAH YEAH YEAH. THIS SIGN.

AT THE ENTRANCE OR THE TWO IS ONE OF THE THOUGHTS I HAD WAS THAT AS YOU ENTER.

I WONDERED IF MAYBE THE SITE LIKE YOU HAVE A LITTLE KIND OF ENTRANCE SIGN THERE BUT YOU ACTUALLY PUT YOUR SIGNAGE FOR THE PROPERTY UP CLOSER TO WHERE YOU'RE GONNA COME IN OFF OF THE BOOK COULTER PLACE BOULEVARD. I WONDERED IF IT MAY BE BETTER RELOCATED THAT WILL BE THROUGH THAT LOCATION WOULD BE APPROVED THROUGH A SIGN PERMIT AND WE'LL WORK WITH THE AARP OR ON WHERE

THEY WANT THAT SIGN PLACED. >> AND THEN THE ONLY THOUGHT I HAD WAS JUST ENCOURAGING THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS BOOK ALTER PLACE BOULEVARD IN SOME CAPACITY.

WITH THE ARCHITECTURE I UNDERSTAND THE PRIOR AGAIN THEY ARE IS GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT

THAT ALL THAT IS THERE THEY'LL PROVIDE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW. >> SO THAT'S I'M ASSUMING YOU CAN PUNCH PARKING THROUGH TO BOOK OLDER POLICE BECAUSE IT'S TOO CLOSE TO THE EXISTING ACCESS AND WE DISCUSSED IT WITH TOWN ENGINEER DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING AND IT WOULDN'T MEET ANY YOU KNOW WE KIND OF LIKE TO MIRROR THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ARMS MANUAL AND THAT WOULD BE WAY TOO CLOSE TO HAVE TWO ACCESS POINTS THAT CLOSE TOGETHER MAY BE

CONFLICTING. >> AND ENTERTAIN THE NOTION MOTION TO APPROVE ESTIMATED TO

HAVE A SECOND. >> SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON FAVOR BY ANY

[IX.11. Goethe Road – Rezoning Request (PLANNING WORKSHOP – NO ACTION): A request by J.C. Fraser, Jr. for approval of an Amendment to Town of Bluffton Official Zoning Map to rezone two (2) parcels from Residential General (RG) to Neighborhood Core (NC). The subject parcels consist of approximately 1.24 and are identified by Beaufort County Tax Map Numbers R610 039 000 0159 0000, and R610 039 000 0744 0000 located northwest of the intersection of Hilderbrand Road and Goethe Road. (ZONE-09-21-015896) (Staff- Kevin Icard)]

OF THOSE? >> ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANKS.

THE NEXT ITEM UP IS WE'RE GONNA GO TO ITEM NUMBER ELEVEN. >> OKATIE ROAD REZONING REQUEST

. >> WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO MODIFY THE AGENDA AND ITEM TEN

DOWN. >> AND THAT'S WHAT COMMISSIONER WETMORE WAS SPEAKING TO EARLIER AND THAT YOU KNOW, IDEALLY YES . LET'S LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THAT BECAUSE WE HAD HAD SUCH DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IT BEFOREHAND.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND JUST CLARIFY. MOTION TO AMEND THE AGENDA TO TAKE ON ITEM NUMBER ELEVEN. SECOND IN FAVOR. OKAY.

SO NOW WE'RE OFFICIALLY ON ITEM ELEVEN OF THE ROAD REZONING REQUEST.

REQUEST BY J.S. FRAZIER JUNIOR FOR APPROVAL AN AMENDMENT TO TOWN OF BLUFFTON OFFICIAL ZONING MAP TO REZONE TWO PARCELS FROM RESIDENTIAL GENERAL TO NEIGHBORHOOD CORE.

THE SUBJECT PARCELS CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY ONE POINT TO FOUR AND ARE IDENTIFIED BY THE TAX MOM MAP NUMBER PACKET LOCATED NORTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF HILDEBRAND ROAD

AND GUTHRIE ROAD. >> RIGHT. THANK YOU AND THANK YOU ALL FOR CONTINUING TO BE HERE. I KNOW IT'S VERY DIFFICULT RIGHT NOW.

SO THIS EVENING IS NO VOTE. SO THIS IS A WORKSHOP AS I WAS REFERRING TO EARLIER PART OF A PROCESS THAT WE HAVE AS ANY TYPE THERE'S ANY TIME THERE'S A REZONING.

WE DO REQUIRE A WORKSHOP AND THEN THIS ITEM WILL BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU IN TWO WEEKS AS A PUBLIC HEARING. SO THIS IS A REQUEST BY MR. FRAZIER WHO IS PATIENTLY BEEN WAITING IN THE AUDIENCE. HE'S BEEN PATIENTLY WAITING FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS FOR THIS TO MOVE FORWARD. SO HE IS REQUESTING TO REZONE THE TWO PARCELS THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING FROM RESIDENTIAL GENERAL TO NEIGHBORHOOD CORE CURRENTLY THAT RESIDENTIAL GENERAL IS REGULATED BY THE UDA WHICH ALLOWS FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USES UP TO FOUR UNITS PER ACRE AND VERY LIMITED NUMBER OF COMMERCIAL USES DAYCARE FACILITY AS ONE ITEM.

HOWEVER, RESTAURANTS ARE NOT ALLOWED. SO HE IS PROPOSING TO REZONE THESE TWO PROPERTIES. I DID PROVIDE A BRIEF TIMELINE FOR YOU AND I WAS GOING TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THIS QUICKLY. MR. FRAZIER'S FATHER, MR. FRAZIER SENIOR RECEIVED THE PROPERTY IN 62. THEY CONSTRUCTED THE BUILDING THAT IS CURRENTLY CURRENTLY THERE IN 1964 AGAIN WAS DESIGNATED AS GENERAL PURPOSE BUILDING SOS BUILT AS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING. THEY OPERATE IN A RESTAURANT AT THAT LOCATION WHICH CLOSED IN

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BACK THEN THERE WAS NO PLANNING STAFF AND THAT IT LACKED ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE TO HANDLE THE USES ALLOWED IN THAT DISTRICT. THEN IN 1993 THE TOWN COUNCIL APPROVED THE REZONING REQUEST FOR THAT MIXED USE TO DEVELOPMENT ARE CLASSIFICATION . IN 92 MR. FRASER RECEIVED HIS BUSINESS LICENSE TO OPEN KIDDY SNACK SHOP AND THEN AGAIN IN 96. THE BUSINESS LICENSE FROM THE TOWN TO OPERATE THE RESTAURANT IN 2001 2002 THE TOWN REZONING THE PROPERTY TO THAT RESIDENTIAL GENERAL RESIDENTIAL ALONG WITH THE ANNEXATION REZONING OF OTHER PROPERTIES ALONG GUTHRIE SCHULTZ IN 90S 2016 TOWN PARTY TOWN ATTORNEY STATES OF THE USE OF THE RESTAURANT IS NOT ALLOWED SINCE THE PROPERTY OWNER HAD ABANDONED THE LEGAL CONFORMING

USE FOR THAT PERIOD FOR ONE YEAR OR MORE. >> I'M SORRY I SKIPPED THE ONE PART UP HERE SAYS OF THE TOWN IN 2002 THAT THE TOWN PROVIDED A DETERMINATION THAT THE OWNER HAD VESTED RIGHTS AS THAT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. AT THAT TIME AND THEN IN 2016 IS WHERE WE STATED THAT THAT THE THAT THE USE HAD SINCE NOT BEEN IN OPERATION THE OWNER HAD BEEN IN THAT LEGAL NONCONFORMING USE FOR A PERIOD OF ONE YEAR OR MORE AND THEN IN SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR STAFF MET WITH MR. FRAZIER SITE TO DISCUSS THE USE OF A RESTAURANT THAT'S NOT BEEN ALLOWED SINCE IT WAS AN ABANDONED USE EXCUSE ME THAT WE MET FOR A PRE APPLICATION MEETING TO DISCUSS THE NEXT STEPS FOR HIM TO SUBMIT THIS APPLICATION AND THEN HE SUBMITTED HIS APPLICATION THE NEXT DAY FOR THAT REZONING REQUEST.

SO AGAIN THIS WORKSHOP IS MEANT TO BE AN INFORMAL OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO TALK WITH THE APPLICANT. NOTIFICATIONS WERE PROVIDED. 2 IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND IF THERE'S ANY ITEMS THAT YOU SO CHOOSE TO USE I DID PROVIDE THE REVIEW CRITERIA IN YOUR STAFF REPORT NOT NECESSARILY PROVIDED ANY FINDINGS BECAUSE IT'S MORE FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ALSO JUST SOME REFERENCE DOCUMENTS. PROVIDED A COPY FRAMEWORK MAP WHICH THIS PROPERTY DOES FOLLOW FALL UNDER THAT VILLAGE PLACE TYPE PROVIDED A COPY OF THE GO THROUGH SHULTZ PLAN WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT A COMPREHENSIVE STRATEGIES FOR REVITALIZE THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN ORDER TO PROMOTE MORE HEALTHY AND SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITY AND INCREASED ECONOMIC COMPETITIVENESS.

SO I WOULD LIKE IF IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM BUT I'D PREFER IF MR. FRAZIER COULD COME UP AND THEN JUST GIVE US SOME SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION AND THEN IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR HIM FOR THE PROPERTY PURPOSES HE CAN ANSWER THEM AND FOR

TECHNICAL ITEMS I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. >> MR. FRAZIER BEING IN GOOD

NOTE. >> OK. MY IS I LIVE IN BLUFFTON.

I'VE BEEN YES. A 1963 ON THAT PROPERTY OVER THERE.

THAT'S MY FAMILY PROPERTY WAS. SO MY DAD GOT HIS LAY CUT OFF IN 1963.

LONGSHOREMAN IN SAVANNAH, FIVE KIDS. HE BUILT THEIR PLACE WHEN HE GOT HIS MONEY WHICH YOU DIDN'T GET THEM MUCH MONEY BACK THEN SCUSE ME.

BEING A BLACK MAN YOU'VE GOT YOUR CUT OFF AND WHAT HE GOT HE TOOK IT AND HE BUILT MY MOTHER A RESTAURANT BECAUSE SHE LOVED TO COOK AND SHE WAS COOKING IN MY COZY RALLY SCHOOL.

SO THEY HAD TO PLACE OPEN. >> SKIP MICHAEL C. REILLY SCHOOL THE CAFETERIA BURKE DOWN CLASS ROOM BURNED DOWN. SO EVEN THOUGH WE WERE RUNNING THE RESTAURANT MY DAD LEFT THE SCHOOL CAME TO USE IT AND NATE TURNED IT INTO THE SCHOOL CAFETERIA AFTER THEY'VE BUILT IT BACK. WHEN WE WENT TO OPEN UP WE WOULD DENIED TO GET THE PERMIT TO OPEN BACK UP AGAIN AND AND THE TWO CLASS CLASSROOM THAT BURNT DOWN AFTER A DAY AT LUNCH

THOSE SAME TABLES WHERE THE TEACHERS IN TEACHING CLASSROOM. >> I DON'T THINK IT WAS FAIR.

WELL WHAT COULD YOU DO BACK THEN? WE CAN'T OPEN IT IF WE DON'T HAVE A TOWN PERMIT. SO TO BUILD AND HAVE SET THERE AND IT WAS JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW,

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BUT I'M BACK TO MIKE QUINCY ROB . I REMEMBER THIS SCHOOL.

>> OK, SO ALL I'M SAYING IS I HAVE A BROTHER THAT'S A SHIP RUNNING COOK FOR TIDE POINT

CALLA BOOGIE CAFFEY. >> HE HAS A DAUGHTER TINA RIGHT NOW RUNNING CAN OFFER YOU OVER HERE ALL 170. HE HAVE A SON IN COLUMBIA A SHARE.

AND I'M LIKE WOW. >> WE GOT ALL THESE CHEFS IN THE FAMILY.

I COOK FOR COMMON THINGS TO AND WE HAVE A BUILD IT JUST SET OVER THERE AND JUST SIT OVER THERE AND SAY I CAME FROM ATLANTA IN NINETEEN EIGHTY TWO. I HAD BLACK HAIR AND I WAS STILL FIGHTING TRYING TO GET THIS PLACE OPEN. WHEN DOES IT STOP?

WHATEVER THE REASON IS. >> I WATCH CALHOUN STREET CLOSED DOWN.

THOSE WERE RESIDENTIAL HOMES. I'VE BEEN OVER HERE FIGHTING TO GET MY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY

TURN BACK THE COMMERCIAL. >> AND YOU DARN CLOSE CALHOUN SCREEN ALL THOSE HOUSES.

PEOPLE USED TO LIVE IN IT BECAUSE I HAD TO WALK THERE FROM CALHOUN TO COME HERE AND NOW THOSE ARE SHOPS LOW RESTAURANTS AND RELATIVES OVER THERE.

>> BUT WHAT ABOUT PAULA? YOU KNOW ME SITTING OVER HERE ON GUTHRIE ROAD.

THAT BUILDING IS 30 FEET WIDE BY 90 LONG. AND TO ME MY DADDY LONG SAID A HE WENT TO WORK ONE EVENING AND I WALKED IN WITH A CRATE IN HIS UNLOAD AND STEEL BEAMS AND TWO . AND THEY CAME DOWN AND CUT HIS LEGAL.

THAT'S WHY THAT BUILDING MEANS SO MUCH TO ME. OK? MY FATHER DEAD AND GONE. USED TO SIT OUT THERE AND WATCHED ME WORKING ON THAT PLACE TRYING TO REVIVE TRYING TO GET IT OPEN. MY DAD USED TO APPLY TRYING TO GET IT OPEN AND GOD DID NOT. I'VE BEEN APPLIED AND GOT DENIED.

I WENT TO DENMARK TECH ON THE TOWN TAIL. I USED TO SOFA BLUFFTON POLICE DEPARTMENT. EVERYBODY USED TO COME OVER THERE FOR ME FOR ALTERATION BUT I'M JUST SAYING. AND I'M LOOKING AT THIS BILL AND ANY HURT MY MY SON 47 YEARS OLD. I WANT TO PASS SOMETHING DOWN TO HIM.

I GOT GRANDKIDS 21 YEARS, YOU KNOW. >> SO WHEN I'M LEAVE THEM.

THAT'S WHY I'M FIGHTING. IF I GET IT OPEN I CAN GET THEM AND TEACH THEM.

>> DON'T HAVE TO GO ON A JOB AT WORK. YOU CAN ALSO OWN A BUSINESS AND RUN IT. AND THAT'S GOING TO BE MY LEGACY.

WHAT I LEAVE TO THEM AND SOMETIMES IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SPEAK IN FRONT OF PEOPLE.

YOU KNOW THAT BASS COME IN MY VOICE AND PEOPLE DID TAKE IT THE WRONG WAY BUT THAT'S HOW I EXPRESS MYSELF. SO I HOPE YOU WILL RECONSIDER THIS SAYING 19 70.

SIXTY THREE. THIS TWO THOUSAND TWENTY ONE. >> I'VE BEEN WAITING A LONG

TIME WATCHIN OVER HERE. >> WHEN THEY CUT DOWN WHAT IS IT THAT THE MELLENCAMP DRAFT?

I KNOW PALMETTO STATE BANK WAS A TRAIL AS A KID. >> MY MOTHER YOU GO GO ROUND THERE ONE DAY AND THAT TRAIL TRAILER GO AND BE GONE WITH ALL YOUR MONEY.

IT WAS NO ROAD. THAT ROAD GOT CUT THROUGH HERE BECAUSE THE SCHOOL BUS HAD KILLED A YOUNG BOY ONE TIME AND MY COSI RALLY SCHOOLYARD. SO AUNT POLLY WHO OWN A HORSE GRIP WHERE THEY GOT ALL THEM TOWNHOUSES GAVE PROPERTY TO CUT THE ROAD THROUGH THERE SO THE KIDS WOULDN'T BE IN THE ROOM WITH THE SCHOOL BUS IN THE ROAD.

AND KIDS WALKING. SO THAT SIDE OF ROADS GOT CUT THROUGH AND THE RESTAURANT WAS

THERE AND WE STILL NOT OPEN. >> I SEE ALL THOSE RESTAURANTS. WHAT'S THAT HARMON ON?

>> MALIK HAD OUR MAN METEOR METEOR CROSS FROM POWER ME AT A STATE BANK.

>> I SHOT EVEN LARRY TOLD RESTAURANT. NONE OF THAT WAS THERE AND I'M BEEN STILL FIGHTING TRYING TO GET THIS RESTAURANT OPEN AND I STAND UP AND I LOOK GHOSTLY RAW

WAS A LONE NARROW DIRT ROAD AND LOOK AT IT NOW. >> THEY GOT TOWN HAVE OUR RIBAUT AND GUESS I'M STILL ONLY WAITING. I TOLD HIS FATHER.

I SAY I AIN'T GOT THIS FOR NOTHING. I GOT IT CAUSE I GOT PATIENT AND I BELIEVE HIM. I GOT OK AND I TRUST GOD AND ALL I CAN DO IS WAIT AND IT'S IN YOUR HANDS TO MAKE THAT DECISION OR RATHER MY BUILD AND TURN BACK TO A RESTAURANT ONE

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THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> WE APPRECIATE THAT.

I WISH HE WAS LIKE FIRST ON THE AGENDA. SO DID THE TOWN A BLOCK KIND OF RIGHT. THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON. TURN YOUR HAIR GRAY.

I KNOW I LIVED LONG. >> NO. >> I WENT ON TO A STORY SIX AND SEVEN YEARS. IN STARTED. THANK YOU, SIR.

SO AGAIN THANK YOU, MR. FRAZIER AGAIN. YOU KNOW THIS TO ME BACK IN FRONT OF YOU AT THE NOVEMBER 17TH MEETING AS A PUBLIC HEARING.

YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY DONE ALL OF OUR NOTIFICATIONS. THE SIGN IS OUT IN FRONT OF US PROPERTY. WE PUT THE NOTICES IN THE NEWSPAPER SO WE WILL HAVE THIS BACK IN FRONT OF YOU IN THE INTERESTS OF TIME. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM OFF LINE. AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MR. FRAZIER, I'M HAPPY TO GET THOSE TO HIM AHEAD OF TIME. AND WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL JUST BRING THIS BACK TO YOU UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AS OF RIGHT NOW. AGAIN, THE GOAL IS TO GO FROM THAT ZONING DESIGNATION OF THE RESIDENTIAL GENERAL TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD CORPS NOT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO THIS PROPERTY IS NOT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

SO JUST MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR TO I HAVE ONE QUESTION WHICH I HOPE IS QUICK NOW WE CAN

DISCUSS FURTHER OFFLINE THE I WAS WONDERING. >> OBVIOUSLY HE WAS GIVEN EXEMPTION PREVIOUSLY WHEN IT ZONED RESIDENTIAL GENERAL TO ALLOW IT TO OPERATE AS A RESTAURANT. I UNDERSTAND IT DIDN'T FUNCTION.

>> IT WAS LONGER THAN A YEAR WHERE IT SAT AND DIDN'T GET USED AS SUCH AND THAT'S WHY HE LOST THAT SPECIAL DESIGNATION DESIGNATION. IT IS THERE ARE NO PATH FOR HIM

TO REAPPLY FOR THAT SPECIFIED SPECIAL DESIGNATION. >> THERE'S NOT IT'S IT'S LEGAL LEGAL NONCONFORMING USE AND YOU HAVE YOU HAVE FROM THE DAY THAT THAT USE, YOU KNOW, IS CLOSES YOU HAVE A WINDOW TO TO REOPEN OR REESTABLISH IT. BUT ONCE YOU GO BEYOND THAT

WINDOW YOU CAN'T REESTABLISH A USE THAT'S NO LONGER ALLOWED. >> WHEN WAS THAT WINDOW CREATED WAS NOT AROUND. MIKE, DID HE KNOW THAT BACK THEN?

>> THAT'S RIGHT. >> I CAN'T I CAN'T SEE. I MEAN I CAN'T I CAN'T ANSWER

FOR A WINDOW WAS CREATED AT THOUSAND TO SO. >> ONE MORE ONE MORE QUESTION.

THE PROPERTY TO JUST TO THE SOUTH OF IT WAS. HAS ANYBODY TALKED TO THAT PROPERTY ABOUT POTENTIALLY RESOUNDING AS APARTMENTS? NANCY.

>> NANCY BREWIN WHO SHE'S PASSED AWAY BUT THIS IS A SOCIAL GUIDED BUT I TALKED TO X NUMBER OF NOW THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT IN THE FUTURE IF THEY CHOOSE TO TO REZONE THE

PROPERTY THEN THEY POTENTIALLY COULD DO THAT AS WELL. >> THEY HAD SIMILAR SITUATION WHERE THEIR PROPERTY DID HAVE THAT THAT THAT MIXED USE ZONING DESIGNATION ON IT AS WELL.

>> I WANT TO SAY I'M SYMPATHETIC TO YOUR CAUSE AND I WOULD LOVE.

I WOULD LOVE TO HELP. I'M JUST THERE'S SOME CONCERNS I HAVE AND I JUST I WANT REMOVE IMPEDIMENTS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE I. I HEAR YOU AND YOU ARE SOMEBODY WHO'S OBVIOUSLY BEEN OUT HERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME MAKING VERY SUBSTANTIAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON SERVING AS THE CAFETERIA. SO I JUST SAY THAT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT SPECIFICALLY GIVEN JUST THE QUESTION YOU'VE SAID NOTIFICATIONS SOUNDS LIKE YOU

TALKED TO THE OTHER NEIGHBORS. >> IS THAT PROCESS WE'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT? ARE THERE ANY CONCERNS OF NEIGHBORS OR NOTIFICATIONS? WILL WE HEAR THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING OR HAVE YOU NOT RECEIVED ANYTHING TO DATE? I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANYTHING.

OBVIOUSLY WITH THE YOU KNOW, THE TIMEFRAME COMING UP ON THE 17TH WE'LL CONTINUE TO IF WE IF WE RECEIVE ANYTHING PRIOR TO THE MEETING. BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COULD POTENTIALLY SHOW UP AT THE MEETING BECAUSE IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO I DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW IF ANYONE'S GONNA SHOW UP OR NOT.

>> JUST A FOLLOW UP IF YOU SHARE THAT SLIDE WHERE THE PLOT WAS BACK, A COUPLE OF SLIDES.

YEAH, YELLOW. SO CAN ANY OF THOSE LIGHTS APPLY FOR THIS SAME DESIGNATION ? COULD THEY. YES.

ANY ANYONE COULD APPLY. YEAH ANYONE CAN APPLY TO TWO TO REZONE THEIR PROPERTY.

ABSOLUTELY. >> IS THAT APPROPRIATE? NOT NECESSARILY.

>> IT'S ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS OBVIOUSLY FOR FOR MR. FRAZIER BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT HIS PROPERTY WAS PREVIOUSLY GROWN PREVIOUSLY ZONED A MIXED USE HAS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING ON IT. HE STANDS GROUND TO TO HAVE A BETTER CASE THAN SOMEONE THAT

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APPLICABLE IN THIS CASE ONLY? >> YES. >> YES.

SINCE NECESSARY. I WOULDN'T CALL IT THE SPOT ZONING BUT I'D CALL IT THAT THE FACT THAT IT'S YOU KNOW IT IS FORMALLY A RESIDENTIAL YOU ARE SEEING ME FORMERLY A COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTY AND YOU KNOW THAT DESIGNATION HAD CHANGED AND THEN THE GOAL IS TO

BRING IT BACK TO THAT COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION. >> I AM ALSO SYMPATHETIC TO MR. FRAZIER'S SITUATION. I JUST AGAIN WORRY ABOUT HOW WE COULD SAY YES TO THAT AND NOTE TO FUTURE ONES WITHOUT RUNNING INTO LEGAL ISSUES. THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN.

WELL, AND IF IF I MAY I'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK INTO MR. FRAZIER'S APPLICATION AS YOU CAN TELL FROM THAT PACKAGE AS EARLY AS 2016 AND REALLY HE REALLY IS THE CONVERGENCE OF A BUNCH OF UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES WITH A USE THAT HAD BEEN AUTHORIZED FOR A VERY LONG TIME AS PART OF THE ANNEXATION INTO THE TOWN THERE WAS A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT THAT WOULD MADE THAT USE OR MADE THAT USE NONCONFORMING BUT CONTINUED FORWARD.

HE HAD VESTED RIGHTS. AND THEN FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS THE USE WAS STOP FOR A LIMITED PERIOD OF TIME AROUND IT. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE YOU KNOW THE IS A FUCHSIA COLOR UNDERNEATH HILDEBRAND ROAD. I MEAN THAT THAT'S WHAT IS.

THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SEEKING TO CHANGE TO REASON THIS PROPERTY TO IT'S CONSISTENT HISTORICALLY WITH THE USE OF THAT PROPERTY SPOT ZONING HAS SOME VERY DEFINED LIMITATIONS WHEN A DECISION IS MADE FOR PLANNING COMMISSIONER OR TOWN COUNCILS GOES THROUGH, WE'LL CERTAINLY BE ABLE TO LOOK MORE INTO THOSE PARTICULAR ISSUES. BUT EACH EACH APPLICATION'S UNIQUE, EACH APPLICATION FOR A REZONING REQUEST YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE CRITERIA YOU'RE GOING CONSIDER AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT A THIS IS A WORKSHOP ITEM AT THE MOMENT BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL TRY TO DETAIL HEAVILY FOR USE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT CONCERNED THAT YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING YOU'RE NOT LEGALLY AUTHORIZED TO DO BUT ALSO THAT YOU'RE NOT CREATING A SITUATION WHERE ANY INDIVIDUAL LANDOWNER CAN COME IN AND REQUEST WHATEVER ZONING THEY MAY WANT.

AND AGAIN IT'S YOU HAVE THIS KIND OF AGAIN THIS UNIQUE USE OF FACTORS WHERE YOU HAVE RILEY ACROSS THE STREET SEE THE ZONING DESIGNATION AS ESSENTIAL GENERAL RESIDENTIAL GENERAL

DESPITE IT MAN. >> YOU KNOW THE WHOLE FIELD AND JUST THE PROMENADE ACROSS THE

WAY. >> I MEAN THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF A LOT OF INTERESTING FACTORS AND UNIQUE FACTORS FOR THIS PARTICULAR PIECE THAT WILL WILL MORE FULLY DEVELOP FOR YOUR

HOME IF I MAY. >> I MEAN I'D LOOK AT IT IS THERE'S A HISTORICAL CONTEXT HERE. THIS IS THERE'S ANOTHER ONE IN TOWN.

>> BUT I DOUBT IT BACK AND FORTH SO MANY TIMES. >> SO THAT GIVES ME A PEACE OF MIND IF WE DO DECIDE TO DO THIS THAT THERE ISN'T GONNA BE A LINE AND PEOPLE BEHIND MR. FRAZIER SAYING I WANT TO DO IT TOO WELL LIKE THE EVEN TO THAT POINT I UNDERSTAND THE INTENT IS TO KEEP THE FAMILY TO OPERATOR AS A RESTAURANT IF IT'S EVER SOLD THE OPPORTUNITY IS OF WHAT YOU COULD DO ON THAT PROPERTY ADJACENT TALLEST RESIDENTIAL GENERAL MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE AND THAT'S ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE SPECIFICALLY WITH THE SPOT

ZONING. >> NOW AS YOU SAID WITH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD CORE BEING RIGHT ADJACENT TO IT, IF I CAN GET THAT PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH I FEEL A LOT BETTER ABOUT IT

BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN MORE JUSTIFY IT. >> ONE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE

FOR YOU, MR. FRAZIER. >> I THINK I SAW ON AN AERIAL OR STREET VIEW THERE'S A DRIVEWAY THAT GOES TO THE BACK AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SEVERAL BUILDINGS IN THE BACK.

AM I CORRECT IN WHAT I SAW WITH THAT? WELL, I'LL PUT IT ON YOUR

PROPERTY. >> YOU'VE GOT IT. YOU'VE GOT A TRAILER BEHIND THE BUILDING. THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE. SO THERE'S SO THERE'S A THERE'S. OKAY. SO THEN YOU'RE YOU'VE GOT A PARTICULAR VESTED INTEREST IN MAKING SURE THAT ACCESS IS MAINTAINED BECAUSE ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE WITH THIS BEING OPERATED AS A RESTAURANT WAS PEOPLE PARKING AND THEN

BLOCKING ACCESS TO THE BACK TO THE REAR OF NOBODY. >> MAKARY YOU.

>> YEAH THAT'S. I COME IN AND GOOGLE THAT. YEAH.

YEAH. THAT WOULD ALL BE PICKED UP DURING A DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

AND THAT WILL COME BACK TO YOU . >> ALL RIGHT.

HAD A COUPLE TIMES RIGHT? >> THERE'S EVERY ACTION WE HAVE TO DO AUTO ACTION WITH THOUGH.

YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

WE'RE GOOD AND WE'LL BE BACK ON THE 17TH. ALL RIGHT.

OK. SO GREAT. THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU FOR WAITING. YOUR PATIENT WAS. >> GO AHEAD.

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>> SO WHAT WE YOU KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO HERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN UNUSUAL MOTION BECAUSE WE HAVE IT AGAIN MATTERS THAT NEED TO BE HEARD. PUBLIC HEARING WAS THIS IS A TYPE OF MOTION I'M NOT ALL THAT FAMILIAR WITH TO BE TO BE QUITE HONEST.

>> BUT UNDER ROBERT'S RULES, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS ESSENTIALLY CONTINUE THIS MEETING AND PICK IT UP AGAIN ON NOVEMBER 10TH WEDNESDAY NOVEMBER 10TH AT 6:00 P.M. YOU

WE'RE ASKING TO NOT DO IT ON WEDNESDAYS. >> WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANY TIME SOONER. WHAT I WAS GETTING AT. LIKE IT HAD TO BE WEDNESDAY OR COULD IT BE A DIFFERENT DATE? BUT IF THAT'S THE ONLY DATE AVAILABLE.

>> WELL, THIS THURSDAY WAS OPEN ORIGINALLY. I DON'T.

IT'S JUST JUST AS A JUST TO GIVE YOU GUYS SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IS THAT WE HAVE

THIS EVENING'S MEETING. >> WE HAVE A MEETING TOMORROW NIGHT.

WE ALSO HAVE A MEETING ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT. SO FROM A STAFF LEVEL, YES.

I KNOW WE'RE LIKE TEACHERS. >> YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH HAVING A PERSONAL LIFE.

WE ONLY STAY IN WORK SO WE COME IN EARLIER. >> THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF COULD POTENTIALLY LOOK INTO IF THAT IS IF THAT IS YOUR REQUEST.

>> MADAM CHAIR, DO YOU DO YOU HAVE A DO YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION?

WOULD YOU PREFER THAT WE WE COME IN EARLIER. >> WE HAVE ONE COMMISSIONER THAT WORKS, RICK RIGHT HERE FINDING DIRECTOR FOR RINCON THEN.

[Items IX.6, IX.7 & IX.10]

>> YES. SO WHAT I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT WE DO IS LET'S CALL A MOTION TO FIX THE TIME TO WHICH TO ADJOURN WHICH MEANS THAT WE'RE AFTER WE ADJOURN THIS MEETING RIGHT NOW. IT IS GOING TO BASICALLY CONTINUE IT UNTIL NOVEMBER 10TH. THE 6:00 P.M.. SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS IS TO STATE THE MOTION AND THEN IF YOU ALL IN AGREEMENT JUST HAVE SOMEONE SAY SO MOVED BY THE

SIMPLEST WAY. >> GO AHEAD. STATE THE MOTION.

MOTION A FIXED TIME TO WHICH TO ADJOURN SO THAT WHEN WE SAJJAN WE ADJOURN TO MEET ON WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 10TH, 2021 6 P.M. FOR THE PURPOSES OF HEARING ITEM 6, 7 AND 10 AS

STATED IN THE ORIGINAL AGENDA. >> THANK YOU. ALL IN FAVOR.

RIGHT AWAY. >> NOW YOU CAN ADJOURN NOW. CAN WE IN TURN THE MEETING MAY I HAVE A MOST EMOTIONALLY ADJOURN THE MEETING? HAVE A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR. >> SO THANK YOU EVERYONE.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.