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IT'S A MEETING OF THE APP, THE POLICY COMMITTEE TO ORDER THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
AND EVERYBODY, PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE, OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
FIRST, OUR SECOND ITEM IS THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.
SHE'S TRYING TO, I THINK SHE'S TRYING TO SECOND.
UM, MAYBE THE AGENDA MR. ROBOT AND SECONDED.
UM, ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE AGENDA OR DISCUSSION SEEING NONE I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
WONDERFUL IAM AS APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.
AND THE NEXT ITEM IS THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION MS. CUSHION.
HERE WE HAVE ANY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY.
MOVING RIGHT ALONG TO ITEM D THAT'S THE APPROVAL OF THE JULY 12TH, 2021 COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES.
I DON'T KNOW WHY I CAN'T, I DIDN'T HEAR HIM DID NO, I DIDN'T HEAR HIM.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? I MOVED THERE.
WE APPROVED THAT JULY 12TH COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THOSE JULY 12TH, UH, COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES, SEEING NONE CALL FOR THE BOATS SIGNIFIED BY SAYING AYE.
MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM ITEM, E IS DISCUSSION OF BOARD MEMBERS LOG IN WITH MULTIPLE DEVICES DURING MEETINGS AND, UM, THIS WAS RECOMMENDED TO COMMITTEE AND I WANTED TO SEE, UM, IF ANYBODY HAD ANY DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS ON THIS, I BELIEVE THIS, UM, CAME FORWARD MULTIPLE DEVICES BEING LOGGED IN AT ONE TIME AND THAT CAUSING SOME CONFUSION AND ISSUES WITH MEETINGS, MR. STRIVEN TRUCK.
I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED BY WHAT WE COULD POSSIBLY DO ABOUT.
UM, IT JUST SEEMED, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO WERE MEMBERS LOGGING WITH MULTIPLE DEVICES.
UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE HARM IS EITHER.
I MEAN, I THINK I KNOW THE HARM, BUT I'M NOT GONNA SAY IT AT THIS MEETING, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT COULD INTRODUCE, ESPECIALLY IN EXECUTIVE SESSION IT COULD BE INTRODUCING OTHER PARTIES, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT, I DON'T THINK THERE'S AND WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE A POLICY IF SOMEONE'S HAVING TROUBLE WITH THE COMPUTER.
AND AFTER YOU USE THEIR PHONE TO AUGMENT THAT, WE DON'T WANT TO WRITE A, WRITE A POLICY THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T HAVE TWO, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE ONE INSTANCE WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE GO FROM HERE.
SO NOW I'VE ADDED MY CONFUSION.
ANY THOUGHTS? UM, YEAH, I'M JUST REVISITING THE POLICY.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE IF ONE DEVICES AT WORKING, THEN WHY DON'T YOU LOG OUT OF THAT ONE DEVICE AND JUST
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USE THE ONE THAT'S WORKING? THAT'S WHAT, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THERE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHY YOU COULD, WHY YOU SHOULD BE LOGGED IN ON TWO DEVICES.IF YOU'RE LOGGED IN ON TWO DEVICES, THEN THEY SHOULD BOTH BE WORKING.
I'VE NEVER TRIED TO LOG IN AND MULTIPLE DEVICES, SO I'VE ONLY EVER SWITCHED BETWEEN THEM.
AND I THINK JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, FOR THOSE THAT ARE WATCHING OR LISTENING, UM, WHEN WE SAY LOGGING IN, I BELIEVE WE MEAN LOGGING INTO ZOOM MEETINGS ELECTRONICALLY, UM, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT'S CAUSED TO COME UP.
UM, BUT I AGREE KATHY AND DAVID, UM, I'VE ONLY EVER SWITCHED BETWEEN IN BETWEEN DEVICES INTO ZOOM.
UM, AND I'M, I'M NOT SURE HOW WE NECESSARILY CREATE A POLICY.
UM, I, IN PREPARATION FOR TODAY'S DISCUSSION, I WENT THROUGH OUR POLICY MANUALS TO SEE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT APPLIED TO THIS, UH, CONCERN.
AND, UM, I, I CONCUR WITH, UH, UH, KATHY'S ASSESSMENT AND, AND YOURS AND THAT, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE MULTIPLE DEVICES, BUT I DON'T SEE WHY MORE THAN ONE SHOULD BE CONNECTED AT A TIME.
I E GIVE GIVEN THE LOGIN FOR THE MEETING.
AND I REALLY THINK OUR POLICY ALREADY ADDRESSES THAT.
UM, AND I WILL READ SOME OF THE, UM, SOME OF THE, UH, POLICIES THAT APPLY.
SO GC TWO GOVERNING COMMITMENTS, 21 IS ELECTRONIC PARTICIPATION D SAYS ELECTRONIC PARTICIPATION IN THE BOARDS EXECUTIVE SESSION MAY BE PERMITTED.
IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE BOARD MEMBER TO ENSURE SECURITY AND CONFIDENTIALITY OF HIS OR HER PARTICIPATION AT EXECUTIVE SESSION.
OBVIOUSLY CONFIDENTIALITY IS MUCH MORE APPARENT AND TRANSPARENT IF ONLY ONE DEVICE IS CONNECTED AT THAT TIME POLICY GC SEVEN BOARD MEMBERS CODE OF CONDUCT, NUMBER FOUR, TO BUILD TRUST AMONG MEMBERS AND TO ENSURE AN ENVIRONMENT CAN DO CIV TO EFFECTIVE GOVERNANCE MEMBERS WILL D MAKE EVERY REASONABLE EFFORT TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE DISTRICT AND ITEM H MAINTAIN APPROPRIATE CONFIDENTIALITY, UM, POLICY GCA, BOARD MEMBER, CONFLICT OF INTEREST, NO BOARD MEMBER SHALL KNOWINGLY USE HIS OFFICIAL OFFICE TO OBTAIN THE ECONOMIC INTEREST FOR HIMSELF.
A FAMILY MEMBER, AN INDIVIDUAL WITH WHOM THE BOARD MEMBER IS ASSOCIATED OR A BUSINESS WITH WHOM THE BOARD MEMBER IS ASSOCIATED.
AND, UM, I THINK THIS HAS DEFINITELY IF YOU, THAT AT ONE OF OUR RECENT, UH, UM, EXECUTIVE SESSIONS WHERE A MEMBER WAS, UH, USING HIS BUSINESS TO OBTAIN AN EX USING HIS OFFICIAL OFFICE TO OBTAIN AN ECONOMIC INTEREST FOR HIMSELF.
AND, UH, THE STATE STATUTE ARTICLE SEVEN RULES OF CONDUCT FOR PUBLIC OFFICIALS, SECTION 8, 13, 700 ESTATES.
THE SAME THING THAT OUR POLICY I READ IN POLICY, UH, GCA, THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND NO PUBLIC OFFICIAL PUBLIC MEMBER OR PUBLIC EMPLOYEE MAY KNOWING WHAT USES OFFICIAL OFFICE MEMBERSHIP OR EMPLOYMENT TO OBTAIN AN ECONOMIC INTEREST TO HIM.
SO I THINK, UH, THAT WE ALREADY, UH, REALLY TO MAINTAIN INTEGRITY OF THE DISTRICT AND APPROPRIATE CONFIDENTIALITY.
I THINK, UH, ONE DEVICE AT A TIME IS APPROPRIATE.
EVEN IF, IF YOU HAVE MULTIPLE DEVICES, UM, YOU ARE ONLY ONE BOLD MEMBER.
YOU ARE NOT TWO OR THREE BOARD MEMBERS.
UH, THAT'S THE WAY I WOULD INTERPRET WHAT I'VE JUST READ TO YOU.
THANK YOU FOR MY, FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.
UM, TO GO BACK TO KATHY'S QUESTION, YOU COULD HAVE A COMPUTER WHERE THE SPEAKERS DO NOT WORK.
SO YOU'RE USING YOUR PHONE IN PLACE TO THE SPEAKERS.
IF YOU ONLY WERE ON YOUR PHONE, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE, AND WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT'S UP ON THE SCREEN.
UM, SO I THINK THAT THAT WAS OFFERED US AN EXPLANATION ONCE I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS TO EVERYONE OR JUST TO ME.
UM, AND THAT'S PLAUSIBLE, UH, FOR THE, FOR THIS SECOND THING, UM, WITH DR.
RODS, HIS POINT OF, I KNOW WE'RE ALL CONCERNED ABOUT CONFIDENTIALITY, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD BE LOGGED ON TO ZOOM AND RECORDING IT WITH YOUR PHONE OFF TO THE SIDE, AND NOBODY WOULD KNOW IT.
UM, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT CAN GO ON NO MATTER WHAT WE DO.
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SO THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN FLESH OUT.I THINK WITH THE REAL PROBLEM IS WHICH, WHICH NONE OF US IS GOING TO SPEAK OUT LOUD.
UM, AND THAT IS THAT WE FEEL THAT MAYBE CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION IS LEAKING REAL TIME.
UM, OUR EXECUTIVE SESSIONS, I JUST HAD YOUR WAY AROUND THE OTHER THAN ENFORCING THE POLICIES THAT DR.
AND EVEN THEN, IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT BECAUSE HOW ARE YOU GOING TO SAY YOU'RE DOING THAT? AND THE PERSON SAYS, NO, I'M NOT.
AND THEN WHAT THEN, WHAT DO YOU DO? YES, YOU ARE.
NO, I'M NOT SURE I'M NOT, WE'RE GOING ON FOR A HALF AN HOUR.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T IMPROVE IT.
SO I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.
AND I THINK ALL OF US ARE REALLY SENSITIVE TO AN, ALL OF US WOULD LIKE TO SOMEHOW STOP IT, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK WE CAN.
WHAT IF WE, UM, UH, ENFORCED WHAT WE HAVE WRITTEN AS A 21 C UM, ANY MEMBER PARTICIPATING IN SUCH FASHION MUST, UH, WILL IDENTIFY THE PERSONS PRESENT IN THE LOCATION FROM WHICH THE MEMBER IS PARTICIPATING, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE WHEN PEOPLE ARE, UM, PARTICIPATING ELECTRONICALLY, THE CHAIR SHOULD JUST GO AROUND AND SAY, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU IDENTIFY WHO'S WITH YOU AND IN A PUBLIC SESSION, I GUESS ANYONE COULD BE IN THE ROOM BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME AS PUBLIC SESSION.
UM, BUT NOT AN ELECTRONIC, I, I DON'T KNOW.
MAYBE WE JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT IS WRITTEN IN OUR, UM, THAT WILL IDENTIFY THE PERSONS PRESENT WITH THEM.
SO MAYBE WE JUST START ASKING THEM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO ARE, UH, DOING IT REMOTELY TO IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, SO, YEAH, BUT IT'S WRITTEN HERE.
WE HAVEN'T DONE IT, BUT PERHAPS WE SHOULD.
UM, I KNOW, I DO THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT THAT KATHY JUST MADE AND I CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT, UM, TO BE, UH, I GUESS I WOULD LIKE ROB INTO SPEAKS AND SHE WAS THE ONE THAT'S ALSO DEALT WITH THE, THE, UM, IF YOU, IF YOU WILL, ROBIN, YOU HAVE DEALT WITH, UH, THE MEMBER SAYING THEY'RE THERE, UH, TABLET OR, OR LAPTOP IS NOT FUNCTIONAL.
AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE HAVE LEARNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE YOU WERE TOLD FROM IT, UM, THE MEMBER SAID THE LAPTOP WAS NOT WORKING.
HE WAS INSTRUCTED TO BRING IT BACK SO THAT THEY CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON.
AND SO THAT IF THERE WASN'T WORKING, WE WOULD GIVE THEM A LOANER OR REPLACE HER.
UM, I, I BELIEVE GO ALONG WITH THE DAVID, YOU'RE NOT GONNA STOP THIS, AND I THINK IT'S A WASTE OF TIME EVEN DISCUSSING BECAUSE BOARD MEMBER, HE'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SO I WOULD, I WOULD JUST LEAVE IT ALONE.
MR. CAMPBELL, CAN YOU PUT YOUR HAND DOWN FOR ME PLEASE? THANK YOU, SIR.
UM, SO THERE'S, SO I WANT TO JUST ASK ONE MORE QUESTION.
UM, SO WITH THE, UM, IF I ASKED THEM TO IDENTIFY THE PERSONS PRESENT IN THE LOCATION, UM, DOES MS. CARTLIDGE HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT THAT? THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION TO MS. CARLA DRUNK.
IS SHE ON? I WAS TRYING TO UNMUTE.
THANK YOU FOR ME TO BE PRESENT TODAY WITH YOU.
I GUESS MY CONCERN IS, UM, WE ALL KNOW THAT, UH, IN THE PAST THAT CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION SHARED IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION HAS MANAGED TO BE, UH, RELEASED AND IT'S CAUSED HARM TO SOME PEOPLE.
WHEN YOU'RE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE ROOM WITH YOU.
UM, NOBODY ELSE SHOULD BE PRESENT.
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QUESTION, BUT, UM, I MUST SAY THAT I I'M CONCERNED ABOUT HOW I CAN SPEAK IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, BECAUSE I DON'T EVER WANT TO SAY ANYTHING THAT COULD CAUSE A BREACH OF CONFIDENTIALITY THAT WOULD HARM ANOTHER PERSON.AND THAT HAPPENED LAST, UH, IT HAPPENED BACK IN 2020, AND IT WAS VERY ADVERSE CONSEQUENCES FOR FAMILY.
I JUST, I DON'T EVER WANT THAT TO HAPPEN AGAIN.
AND ALSO, AS YOU ALL KNOW THAT, UM, SOME OF THE MATTERS THAT I NEED TO ADDRESS YOU, I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT THEY'VE MOPPED MY CHILDREN AND I WOULD NEVER WANT TO A BREACH OF THE FOUR-POLE HALL OR ANY INFORMATION ABOUT A CHILD WAS LEAD.
CAUSE IT COULD CAUSE GREAT HARM TO THE STUDENTS.
AND I JUST, I NEED, I NEED TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK FREELY, DO YOU? BUT I FEEL I COULD UNLIMITED.
AND WHAT I CAN SAY, MS. CARTLIDGE, IF I MAY ASK YOU A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION TO THAT ON INSTANCES WHERE THERE ARE BREACHES, IF, IF, IF SOMEONE, UM, WHETHER IT BE INDIRECTLY OR DIRECTLY BY A BOARD MEMBER, IF SOMETHING IS LEAKED, UM, THERE ARE APPROPRIATE REMEDIES PROVIDED UNDER THE LAW TO THE DISTRICT AND TO THE AGGRIEVED PARTY, CORRECT? OH, THE, THE TROUBLE IS THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE, YOU KNOW, THE ETHICS COMMISSION, THE ETHICS COMMISSION TAKES THE POSITION THAT THEY ARE ONLY THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, WHETHER IT'S AN ECONOMIC BENEFIT INDIRECT OR DIRECT TO A FAMILY MEMBER.
AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNOR WILL REMOVE A FOR, THERE'S BEEN A CRIMINAL CONVICTION, BUT IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION BECAUSE WE DON'T ALWAYS KNOW.
WE DON'T KNOW, UM, HOW THE CONFIDENTIALITY IS BREACHED.
THEN THAT'S, THAT'S, WHAT'S REALLY IS REALLY DIFFICULT.
UM, FOR ME AS AN ATTORNEY, BECAUSE I HAVE A FIDUCIARY DUTY TO PROTECT THE BOARD AND OUR STAFF AND OUR STUDENTS.
I'M JUST TRYING TO, IF THERE'S A PENALTY ESSENTIALLY IN PLACE FOR IF SOMETHING WHAT'S.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT PENALTY WOULD BE.
DOCTOR WAS NETSCAPE YOU, IF YOU IT'S, IT'S HARD TO, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T ALWAYS KNOW HOW IT WAS BEAT.
SO, YEAH, I'M JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE IF THERE'S, UM, SOMETHING WE COULD CITE IN OUR POLICIES THAT, YOU KNOW, REFERENCE THOSE PENALTIES.
UM, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, WE HAVE TWO MEMBERS, DR.
UM, CAN DON'T SEE ANY OTHER HANDS UP.
SO I THINK WE, UM, I DO HAVE, OKAY.
I HAVE ANOTHER HAND RAISED MR. SMITH.
I DON'T, MY QUESTION WILL BE WHAT WILL BE THE, WELL, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WILL BE WITHIN THE LEGAL LAW, UH, OF THE RIGHTS THAT WE, THAT, THAT WE HAVE, UH, TO, TO, UH, THIS ISSUE? PARDON? MY QUESTION WOULD BE WHAT AND WHAT, AND WHAT WE LEGAL AND WHAT LEGAL RAMIFICATION WOULD WE HAVE WITHIN THE LAW TO POLISH THE SITUATION.
IF EVERYONE'S ELECTED OFFICIAL TO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT RIGHTS DO WE HAVE BY LAW TO POLICE THE SITUATION? UH, WHEN IT, WHEN IT COMES TO THIS SITUATION, THAT WOULD BE MY THAT'S MY QUESTION.
WHAT DOES, WHAT DOES THE LAW STATES? I HAVE TO DEFER TO OUR COUNCIL ON DATES.
I KNOW THAT THE BOARD IS WITHIN ITS PURVIEW TO ENACT POLICIES.
UM, AND I'M ASKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE LAW.
WHAT DOES THE LAW STATE I KNOW BEFORE, UH, WE WENT TO THE, UH, TO THE, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE GOTTEN A GOV, UH, WE'VE GOTTEN THE GOVERNMENT.
I MEAN, THE, THE OPINIONS ON IT, UH, WHAT IS THE ATTORNEY AGENDA? THE SMITH.
I'M GLAD YOU HELPED ME REMEMBER THAT.
SO I CAN, I CAN SEND YOU ALL THAT ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION.
I THINK IT TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DISCIPLINING A BOARD MEMBER, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, HAVING LIKE A, LIKE A, A CENTER REPRIMAND.
NOW I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT
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RIGHT.BUT NO I'M SAYING IN THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, UH, FOR, FOR THE ATTORNEY GENERALS, WHAT AUTHORITY DO WE HAVE OVER ANOTHER BOARD MEMBER OR TO ASK HIM OR HER TO GIVE THEIR CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION UPON WHERE THEY MAY BE? THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
I'M ASKING ANYTHING ABOUT SANCTION, A BOARD MEMBER, ANYTHING I'M ASKING FOR SPECIFICALLY ABOUT WHAT DOES THE LAW STATES, WHAT AUTHORITY WE HAVE SPECIFICALLY THAT NOT ONLY THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
CAN YOU SAY IT AGAIN? I'M SORRY, WHAT AUTHORITY DOES THE BOARD HAVE OVER ANOTHER BOARD MEMBER AND RETROS TO, TO ASKING THEM QUESTIONS I THINK, OR DIRECTING THEM TO GIVE INFORMATION ON? I THINK HE IS LOOKING FOR WHAT AUTHORITY DOES THE BOARD HAVE TO ASK ANOTHER MEMBER WHO IS PRESENT IF THEY ARE PARTICIPATING ELECTRONICALLY? UM, LIKE OUR, I BELIEVE IT'S 21 C YOU SAID KATHY? YES.
UNDER GC TO DC, 2 21 C I THINK HE'S LOOKING INTO WHAT AUTHORITY DO WE HAVE TO ASK THAT QUESTION? AND I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT BEYOND THAT.
I MEAN, I HAVE A, YOU HAVE A POSITION OF TRUST WITH EACH OTHER, SO YOU'VE AGREED THAT YOU'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN CONFIDENTIALITY.
SO WHAT IS THE, I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE AGREED TO MAINTAIN CONFIDENTIALITY, SO SNOWBIRDS SHOULD BE PRESENT IN THE ROOM.
UM, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO GO RESEARCH THE AREA ABOUT AUTHORITY.
DOES A BOARD MEMBER HAVE HER OVER ANOTHER? WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE YOUR BOARD DISCIPLINE.
IT'S NOT A MATTER OF AUTHORITY.
IT'S A MATTER OF, WE'RE ASKING THE QUESTION OF WHAT IS GOING ON, WHO IS THERE? IF NO ONE'S THERE, THEN HALF POTENTIALITY IS MAINTAINED.
MY ONLY QUESTION IS I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT AUTHORITY DOES A BOARD MEMBER HAVE OVER ANOTHER BOARD MEMBER AND ALSO TO, TO, UH, THAT'S ALL MY QUESTION.
I, I'M NOT ACTUALLY A RESEARCH, ANYTHING I'M JUST ASKING MR. SMITH.
NO, HONESTLY, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, SIR, BECAUSE YOU'VE ASKED ME A QUESTION THAT WOULD REQUIRE ME TO LOOK AT THE LAW.
I JUST CAN'T ANSWER YOU LIKE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION.
I WOULD NEED TO LOOK AT IT MORE THOROUGHLY.
SO I'LL BE GLAD TO DO THAT AND COME BACK WITH Y'ALL AT THE NEXT POLICY MEETING.
SO IS IT ILLEGAL FOR US TO ASK IF THERE IS ANYBODY IN THE ROOM WITH YOU ON WHEN YOU'RE IN ELECTRONIC MODE IN A EXECUTIVE SESSION? BECAUSE I WOULD ALWAYS ASK IF THERE'S PEOPLE BEHIND YOU, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE IN AN AIRPORT, THERE MIGHT BE PEOPLE BEHIND YOU AND I, I'M NOT SURE IT'S ILLEGAL FOR US TO ASK BOARD MEMBER.
IF THEY'RE IN A SECURE SITUATION, I DON'T THINK WE NEED A LAW THAT SAYS WE CAN DO THAT.
I THINK WE MIGHT BE BEATING THIS TO DEATH.
AND IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT BOARD MEMBERS AUTHORITY TO ASK QUESTIONS OF ANOTHER BOARD MEMBER, THEN WE'RE IN A WHOLE BIT LARGER ISSUE.
BECAUSE SEVERAL TIMES DURING BOARD MEETINGS, WE'VE HAD ONE BOARD MEMBER QUESTION AND OTHER BOARD MEMBERS, OR WE'RE ASKED FOR AN ANSWER.
I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO GO THERE.
UM, I THINK WE WANT TO KEEP THIS REFINED TO EXACTLY THE SITUATION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IS IT ILLEGAL FOR THE CHAIR TO ASK? UM, IF YOU'RE IN A, IF YOU'RE SECURE, WHEN YOU'RE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, I JUST DON'T SEE WHAT THE ARM IS.
AND IF THE BOARD MEMBER DECLINES TO ANSWER, THEN THAT TELLS THE REST OF THE BOARD THAT THEY NEED TO BE CAUTIOUS BECAUSE OF MAY NOT BE SECURE.
I'LL SEE WHERE IT'S A BIG DEAL.
AND YOU ALL AGREED IN YOUR POLICY MANUAL.
YOU SAY IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE BOARD MEMBER TO ENSURE SECURITY AND CONFIDENTIALITY OF HIS OR HER PARTICIPATION IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
SO IF YOU'RE ENSURING SECURITY AND CONFIDENTIALITY, THEN THERE SHOULDN'T BE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE ROOM WITH YOU, MS. ROBIN, UH, I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT THAT, UM, WHEN WE FIRST CAME ON THE BOARD, I THINK RACHEL AND, UH, AND MEL AND I, UM, YOU COULDN'T PARTICIPATE IN, UH, IN, UH, EXECUTIVE SESSION UNLESS
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YOU WERE THERE IN PERSON.THIS, THIS CAME, UM, KIND OF ODD NECESSITY WITH, UM, COVID BUT ALSO WE STARTED TO LET PEOPLE CALL IN BEFORE WE DID ZOOM TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
SO THEY COULD BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
SO THIS WAS A CHANGE IN POLICY BECAUSE BEFORE IT WAS NOT PERMITTED.
SO I THINK WITH THAT CHANGE IN POLICY, WE TRY TO THINK OF SOME RESPONSIBLE WAY TO ENSURE THAT WE COULD, UM, YOU KNOW, TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY, UH, MAKE SURE THAT EXECUTIVE SESSION WAS STILL BE HELD IN A CONFIDENTIAL MANNER.
AND IF I, I MAY BE REMEMBERING THAT INCORRECTLY, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE REASON WHY WE STARTED ALLOWING PEOPLE TO CALL IN WAS BECAUSE OF THAT AG OPINION, THAT BASICALLY SAID WE COULDN'T NOT, BUT THAT THEY WERE LIABLE FOR ANY BREACHES AND THINGS LIKE THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHY WE STARTED.
AND THEN IT WAS UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBER OF WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANTED TO ENGAGE IN THAT.
I APOLOGIZE FOR INTERJECTING, UM, AMBLE, MR. MEL CAMPBELL.
WE LOOKED AT THAT, UH, POLICY AND FACTOR AND TRYING TO DECIDE WHETHER WE WERE GOING TO ALLOW THAT WAS YOU JOHN AND I WERE ON THE COMMITTEE THAT TIME TRYING TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE ELECTRONICALLY AND CLARIFY TO THEM TO THE OPINION WE HAD.
NO, WE HAD NO WAY OF NOT DOING IT AND WE COULDN'T LEAVE HIM ASSURE THAT THEY WERE, THAT THEY WERE AS CONFIDENT AND A CONFIDENT SITUATION.
SO, UM, SO TO ME, THE WAY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW, THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN PULL UP BEACON, BEACON, BEACON, UH, POLICE.
IF WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, RELY ON THE INTEGRITY OF THE BOARD MEMBER TO, TO BE TRUE TO, TO THE SESSION.
IF YOU'RE TALKING EXECUTIVE SESSION, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE MULTIPLE DEVICE, UH, AND HOW, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT'S THE TOPIC HOW THAT RELATES TO, TO BOARD POLICY OR, OR BREACH OF ANY OF THE REGULATIONS.
YOU KNOW, IF THAT ALSO IS AN ISSUE THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED IN PERSON, PERSON CAN CERTAINLY BE ON CONNECTING WITH THE BOARD AND STILL HAVE ANOTHER DEVICE.
AS LONG AS THAT DEVICE IS NOT BOARD DEVICE CONNECTED TO THE MEETING, THEN WE SHOULD FEEL SECURE ABOUT THAT.
AND THAT I THOUGHT WAS THE GIST OF THIS CONVERSATION, RATHER THAN IT COULD BE ON TWO DEVICES, INTO THE BOARD MEETING OR ONLY ONE DEVICE AT THE BOARD MEETING.
AND THAT WOULD BE UP TO OUR TECHNOLOGY, ROBIN AND DR.
WALLS TO ASSURE THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE DEVICE OPEN AT THE TIME, BUT THE PERSON COULD BE ON A DEVICE DEVICE TO THE BOARD MEETING AND ANOTHER DEVICE TO SOMEONE ELSE AT THE SAME TIME.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S AGAINST THE LAW, IT MAY BE A GUEST, YOU KNOW, BOARD MEMBERS HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, UH, TAILORED TO THE BULLETS OR OTHER BOARD MEMBERS AND TO THE PUBLIC BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE A MEETING DOING A MEETING WITH OTHER PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THE MEETING, BUT THAT'S, UM, THAT, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WAS THE AREA IN WHICH WE WERE GOING TO DISCUSS THIS TOPIC.
THAT'S WHY I, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE DUB? WELL, THE MULTIPLE DEVICES WE'RE GETTING INTO OTHER THINGS THAT I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ANY JURISDICTION.
SO THAT WAS SOME GOOD DISCUSSION AND I WILL BRING BACK, UM, SOME OF THOSE POINTS TO THE FULL BOARD AT, OR I WILL ASK ACTUALLY, I SHOULD PROBABLY ASK IF ONE OF MY FELLOW COMMITTEE MEMBERS CAN, UM, ASSIST IN DOING THE REPORT AT OUR NEXT BOARD MEETING BECAUSE I WILL NOT BE PRESENT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF DAVID OR MS. ROBIN WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THAT CHARGE, BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT LATER.
UM, YEAH, I MEAN, I KNOW WE MENTIONED GC
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TWO D C SEVEN HTC, A GC 21 C.UM, SO WE CAN SAY THAT WE HAD A, GOT A DISCUSSION, BUT WE HAVE, WE CAME TO NO CONCLUSION.
SO UNLESS SOMEONE HAS TO MAKE, I DON'T, THAT'S WHAT I'VE GOT.
UM, SO NEXT IS ITEM F ON THE AGENDA RECOMMENDED MOTION FROM THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, UM, TO THE FULL BOARD OF POLICY, AUTHORIZING AN ANNUAL CARRY OVER OF DISTRICT OFFICE, STUDENT ACTIVITY FUNDS NOT EXCEEDING THE AMOUNT OF PRIOR YEAR'S REVENUES, TECHNOLOGIES FEES SHALL BE USED FOR TECHNOLOGY, REPAIRS, DEVICES, AND PROTECTIVE COVERS.
AND I BELIEVE THIS NEEDS PLACEMENT, RIGHT? SO, UM, I'D ASK IF ANYBODY HAS ANY, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS ON PLACEMENT.
I'M PULLING UP THE, I APOLOGIZE, BY THE WAY, IF YOU HEAR MY, MY GIRLS, THEY'RE BEING A LITTLE ROWDY THIS AFTERNOON, I WAS WONDERING IF IT WENT UNDER FINANCIAL ADMINISTRATION.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS POOR ASSET PROTECTION.
WASN'T SURE C FINANCIAL ADMINISTRATION.
I COULD JUST GO NUMBER 19, SUPERINTENDENT SHELL, AND THEN THE LANGUAGE IS SO, UM, I'M LOOKING AT HERE POLICY OH SIX.
AND I WOULD THINK THAT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ADD IT, TO MAKE A NUMBER 19 THREATENS OR NUMBER 19.
AND HAVE IT SAY THE SUPERINTENDENT SHALL AUTHORIZE AN ANNUAL CARRY OVER OF DISTRICT OFFICE AND ALL THAT LANGUAGE, AND THEN PUT THE DATE THERE.
UM, DOES ANYBODY WANT TO, DO WE NEED TO REALLY MAKE THAT MOTION OR DO WE JUST INSERT IT AND CALL IT A DAY? MADAM CHAIR, I'D ASK FOR YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT.
SO CAN YOU PUT THE, UM, THE, THE ITEM FROM THE AGENDA BACK UP ON THE SCREEN FOR A MINUTE, HOLD ON.
I'M TO GET THE POLICY AND SO THAT I WAS GONNA BRING IT UP SO YOU CAN SEE THE POLICIES.
SO IF YOU GIVEN ME A MOMENT, I HAVE TO GO ON, UM, RACHEL, WHICH ONE DID YOU SAY IT WAS? IT IS G E O C O E.
AND DID THE FULL BOARD ALREADY VOTE ON THAT PARTICULAR RECOMMENDED? IT WAS COMING.
I THOUGHT IT WAS COMING TO US FOR INSERTION.
DO YOU REMEMBER ROBIN OR DAVID OR SOMEBODY? BECAUSE IF IT CAME, IT WAS AT THE JULY 13TH MEETING, UM, THAT THE BOARD VOTED ON THIS.
I JUST PUT IT IN THERE WERE, WERE APPROPRIATE AND THEN YOU CAN PUT THE ACTION TAKEN, YOU KNOW, AFTER IT JUST LIKE, WHEREAS THE OTHER ONES HAVE LIKE 16, 17, 18.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO INSERT IT AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO FULL BOARD.
THAT'S YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE ALREADY SAID WE WANT IT INSERTED.
MS. BOATWRIGHT, YOUR HAND IS RAISED.
I WAS ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE MOTION CAUSE I HAD A QUESTION.
UM, WHEN I WENT BACK TO FINANCE, UH, MOTION, UM, ONE OF THE ISSUES WAS TO BE IN LINE WITH, UH, SOUTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION.
AND I DIDN'T KNOW, UM, WHAT THE SOUTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION, I GUESS, LAW OR POLICY THAT WE WERE TRYING TO ALIGN TO, BUT THE MOTION WAS, UM, THAT THE FINANCE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED THE FULL BOARD, A POLICY AUTHORIZING AN ANNUAL CARRY OVER.
SO I'M NOT CERTAIN, IT WAS JUST MADE FOR, UM, INSERTION.
I THINK IT WAS TO DISCUSS WHETHER OR NOT THIS WAS A POLICY 'CAUSE I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED.
ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST DISTRICT OFFICE, STUDENT ACTIVITY FUNDS AND NOT SCHOOL ACTIVITY FUNDS.
AND THAT IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THE POLICY, ALL THAT WELL DEFINED AT THIS POINT, I MIGHT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
SO, UM, I SERVE ON THE FINANCE COMMITTEE JUST FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW WHO ARE LISTENING.
UM, AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY A RECOMMENDATION OF MINE DUE TO SEEING THAT THE DISTRICT'S LINE ITEM AND LEVEL FOR THE STUDENT ACTIVITY FUND HAD BEEN GROWING.
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UM, WE HAD ASKED TANYA CROSBY, UM, OUR CFO TO DO SOME LOOKING INTO HOW OFTEN OR BY HOW MUCH THAT WAS GROWING OVER TIME AND WHY.UM, AND SHE'S BEEN TRYING TO SPEND THINGS DOWN.
UM, BUT WE WERE LOOKING TO BRING THAT INTO LINE AND THIS WAS ACTUALLY THE RECOMMENDED LANGUAGE FROM TANYA TO US.
UM, SO THAT THE ANNUAL PERIODS ARE LIKE TO THE POLICY COMMITTEE.
SO THIS LANGUAGE WAS ACTUALLY RECOMMENDED TO US AND FINANCE COMMITTEE AND THEN TO BRING THAT FORWARD TO THE FULL BOARD FOR THEIR APPROVAL OF THE POLICY, THEN THE POLICY COMMITTEE WOULD INSERT IT INTO THE MANUAL.
UM, SO HOPEFULLY THAT LENGTHY EXPLANATION MAY MADE SOME SENSE.
UM, DOES THAT BRING ANY MORE CLARITY TO IT? OR I THINK ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WAS JUST, I DON'T THINK THE PO I THINK WE NEED, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE POLICY IS EXACTLY THAT WE'RE INSERTING, BECAUSE I KNOW THIS, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO AND I'M, I'M STILL LEARNING ABOUT STUDENT ACTIVITY FEES.
UM, BUT IT'S JUST THE DISTRICT LEVEL BECAUSE WE HAVE AN AR SPECIFICALLY, UH, UNDER OPERATIONS FOR STUDENT ACTIVITY FEES THAT BASICALLY SAYS THE BALANCE WILL JUST MOVE FROM YOUR YEAR AS LONG AS THE, THE GROUP IN CHARGE OF THE FEE MEETS ANNUALLY AND IT'S AUDITED.
SO TO ME, I JUST AM NOT SURE WHY, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO CREATE A BOARD POLICY THAT CONFLICTS WITH AN AR IF WE'RE SEPARATING OUT DISTRICT, UH, SPECIFIC, UH, STUDENT ACTIVITY FEES.
AND IF THAT, IF WE PUT THAT POLICY, IF THAT WOULD HAVE ANY NEGATIVE IMPACT ON ALL THE SCHOOL X STUDENT ACTIVITY FEES, I DON'T KNOW.
I JUST FELT LIKE I WASN'T SURE EXACTLY WHAT THIS POLICY WAS.
NO, IT'S UM, AND I WISH I HAD SOMEONE ELSE FROM FINANCE ON HERE, PERHAPS SOMEONE THAT MIGHT'VE BEEN THERE FOR THAT OR ROB, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN PROVIDE ANY CLARITY TO THAT.
UM, BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
IT WOULD NOT IMPACT THE OTHER, UM, LINE ITEMS BECAUSE EACH OF THE SCHOOLS ARE BROKEN OUT INDIVIDUALLY.
UM, AND THAT'S WHY WE SPECIFICALLY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DISTRICT OFFICE BECAUSE THAT ONE HAD GOTTEN UP INTO THE MILLIONS, UM, BALANCE WISE.
AND IF YOU WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS, TANYA'S ON TANYA, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT PLEASE? I REALLY GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE.
UM, I DIDN'T HEAR THE ENTIRE QUESTION.
I HEARD BITS AND PIECES CAUSE I WAS LOGGING OUT OF YOUTUBE INTO THE ZOOM MEETING, BUT, UM, IT, THE STUDENT ACTIVITIES, UM, FUNDS ARE THE KIND OF THE HOLDING POINT FOR TECHNOLOGY USAGE FEES AT THE SCHOOLS THAT ARE COLLECTED, THEY'RE COLLECTED AT THE SCHOOL LEVEL.
AND THEN ALL OF THEM ARE TRANSFERRED TO THE DISTRICT LEVEL.
AND THE REASONING FOR THAT IS THAT THE DISTRICT PAYS FOR REPAIRS AND FOR REPLACEMENT DEVICES FOR STUDENTS.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, IN OUT OF THE DISTRICT ACCOUNTS.
AND SO THERE WOULD BE A NO EFFECT ON THE SCHOOL, UM, THIS, THIS MOTION OR THIS, UM, POLICY WOULD NOT AFFECT THE SCHOOLS IN ANY WAY.
UM, WE WOULD JUST USE THESE FUNDS.
UH, WE'VE BEEN OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS TO BRINGING DOWN THAT BALANCE TO A POINT THAT, UM, WE WOULD NOT EXCEED THE END OF THE YEAR BALANCE WOULD NOT EXCEED THE TOTAL REVENUES THAT ARE COLLECTED THAT YEAR.
SO IT WOULD HAVE NO EFFECT ON THE SCHOOLS AT ALL.
UM, AND AS FAR AS THE PLACEMENT AND THE OES, I WAS LOOKING AT ONLY SIX.
AND I THINK THAT, UM, THAT WOULD FIT NICELY AT
SO THAT WOULD BE THE BEST PLACEMENT IN OUR WEEDS AS WELL.
SO I HAVE THE MOTION SUMMARY FOR ALL OUR MEETINGS AND IT WAS NOT AT THE JULY 13TH BOARD BUSINESS MEETING.
SO IT WAS, IT JUST BROUGHT UP IN FINANCE COMMITTEE OR DID IT COME TO THE BOARD AT SOME OTHER MEETING AFTER THAT? UM, IT WOULD HAVE COME AT THE NEXT BOARD MEETING.
SO IT WOULD HAVE FILLED THAT AUGUST 3RD.
I DO HAVE IT ON THE JULY 13TH UNDER THE FINANCE COMMITTEE REPORT, RIGHT.
IT WAS IN THE FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING.
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I HAVE THE MOTION THAT A NUMBER SIX COMMITTEE REPORTS, NUMBER B FINANCE COMMITTEE, AND I'VE GOT THAT'S WHERE I'VE FOUND THE MOTION.THEN I WENT BACK INTO FINANCE A SEAT, CAUSE I COULDN'T REMEMBER WHAT THAT WAS TALKING ABOUT.
WELL, I MUST BE MISSING PAGES.
I JUST GOT KICKED OUT OF BOARD BOTOX.
SO ROBIN, YOU GOTTA REPRINT ME JULY 13TH.
MOTION SUMMARY IS OBVIOUSLY THE COPY I HAVE IS MISSING PAGES ARE MISSING INFORMATION.
I'M TRYING TO FIND IT AND SEE IF IT'S, IF THERE'S ANY CLARITY ON BOARD DOCS.
MOTION THAT THE RECOMMEND THAT THE DA FINAL EMOTIONAL APPROVED, UM, PASSED UNANIMOUSLY, BUT TWO WERE ABSENT, SO, OKAY.
SO IS EVERYBODY IN AGREEMENT THEN? OR ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I SHOULD ASK ABOUT CLARIFICATION ON THAT? UM, I'LL SAY ONE THING I DO.
I SEE NOW I JUST SOMEHOW MIXED MISSED IT CAUSE I HAD EXECUTIVE SESSION.
SO DID GO TO THE FULL BOARD ALREADY AND IT PASSED ME.
AND LIKE YOU SAID, OH, SIX NUMBER 19 AGREEABLE TO EVERYBODY FOR PLACEMENT.
SO THIS WOULD BECOME A NUMBER 19? YES.
AND THE ACTION TAKEN ON DATE OF JULY 13TH.
WHAT WILL THE TITLE BE? IT'LL BE HOEY DASH 19.
OH, IT'S UNDER FINANCIAL ADMINISTRATOR.
I WAS OFF TRACK TRYING TO GET BACK INTO THE MEETING THAT WE'RE PRESENTLY IN HERE.
LET ME GO BACK TO THAT CONTROL PANEL.
NEXT ITEM I SEE ON THE AGENDA IS DISCUSSION OF REQUESTED POLICY O E FOR CLARIFICATION IS NEEDED ON OH 4.804 POINT 11 AND THE LAST PARAGRAPH OF O E 4.0.
I BELIEVE CAME OUT OF OPERATIONS COMMITTEE.
WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE OPERATION COMMITTEE PRESENT THAT COULD SPEAK TO THIS MISS ABOUT RIGHT.
UM, MR. SMITH AND I ARE BOTH ON OPERATIONS COMMITTEE.
THEY WERE REALLY MORE THOUGH REQUESTS FROM ALICE WALTON, UH, WHEN SHE WAS TRYING TO DO THE SUPERINTENDENT INTERPRETATION, UM, THAT SHE FELT LIKE THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION ON THOSE.
AND I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT THE CONFUSION WAS.
DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT HER CONCERN WAS? UH, NO I DON'T.
I REMEMBER WHAT THEIR CONCERN WAS.
I KNOW THEY DO KNOW THAT SHE WANTED TO BE, UH, WANTED IT TO BE SENT TO A POLICY COMMITTEE FOR, FOR CLARIFICATION.
MAYBE THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WAS, IT WA IT WAS ABOUT, BUT, UM, I DON'T RECALL.
I THINK LET'S SEE MR.
SO I, I THINK WE SHOULD POSTPONE THIS UNTIL WE CAN GET HER IN THE MEETING.
ANY OBJECTION TO THAT, MS. YEAH, FROM READING THE TWO THINGS.
I, I COULDN'T TELL WHAT, WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE TO MAKE THEM CLEARER.
AND I THINK ONE OF THEM STEMS FROM BOARD ACTION.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO PROBABLY LOOK BACK TO THAT TO TRY TO OBTAIN SOME INTENT THERE.
SO I'M FINE WITH POSTPONING THAT ROBIN, CAN YOU ASSIST US IN COORDINATING
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THIS WALTON ON OUR FUTURE, UM, MEETING? YES.THE DISCUSSION OF THE S CSBA, LEGISLATIVE RESOLUTION, UM, TUITION TAX CREDITS AND VOUCHERS.
THIS WAS, THIS CAME OUT OF OUR MOST RECENT MEETING.
UH, SO I WANTED TO OPEN UP THE DISCUSSION.
I KNOW KATHY, YOU WANTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT STATUTE.
WERE YOU ABLE TO FIND IT? UH, I THINK, YES, IT'S IN BOARD DOCS, RIGHT? IT WAS UPDATED HERE, THE BILL, BUT I, WHAT I PUT IN THE ONBOARD OPS FOR YOU ALL, YOU HAVE H 3 9, 7, 6, AND AT THE PRESENT TIME, THIS BILL IS PENDING.
I WAS GOING TO GIVE YOU ALL A BRIEF SUMMARY ABOUT IT, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S BEEN NON-SEWERED BY A NUMBER OF OUR REPRESENTATIVES YOU'LL SEE ON THERE.
ERIC'S AND DAVIS ARE HER KIRSCHMAN AND THE HOUSE WAYS AND MEANS REVENUE POLICY, LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE CARRIED OVER THIS BILL.
IT PROVIDES STATE FUNDING FOR PUBLIC SCHOOLS TO PAY FOR EXPENSES FOR STUDENTS TO ATTEND PRIVATE SCHOOLS AND OTHER ELIGIBLE EXPENSES.
THE BILL WOULD PROVIDE SCHOLARSHIPS EQUAL TO THE STATE AVERAGE OF STATE FUNDING PER PUPIL AND PUBLIC SCHOOLS, AS DETERMINED BY THE REVENUE AND FISCAL AFFAIRS OFFICE.
PARENTS ELIGIBLE STUDENTS FOR AN INDIVIDUAL ONLINE PAYMENT PLATFORM KNOWN AS THE EDUCATION SCHOLARSHIP APP BILL, THE FUNDING WOULD BE USED TO PAY FOR A BROAD LIST OF ELIGIBLE EDUCATION EXPENSES TYPICALLY BE A DEBIT CARD THAT INCLUDES PRIVATE SCHOOL, TUITION AND FEES, TUTORS BOOKS, ONLINE LEARNING PROGRAMS, PRIVATE TUTORING, AND MORE SUBCOMMITTEE CHAIRMAN MERLE SMITH SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING THAT THE BILL WOULD NOT ADVANCE TO ALLOW THE SUBCOMMITTEE TIME TO DISCUSS THE FUNDING OF THE PROGRAM.
AND DUE TO THE LACK OF A FISCAL IMPACT STATEMENT, CHAIRMAN MORRELL ALSO SAID THE BILL WOULD EVENTUALLY, HE THOUGHT MATE WOULD PASS OUT A SUBCOMMITTEE.
I CAN'T HEAR WENDY IF SHE'S TALKING.
I DUNNO IF SHE BROS OR
AND IN THAT BILL AND D IT JUST SAID THAT THE DEPARTMENT WOULD CREATE AN INDIVIDUAL ONLINE ACCOUNT FOR EACH STUDENT AND TRANSFER AN AMOUNT THAT IS EQUIVALENT TO THE STATE AVERAGE OF STATE FUNDING PER PUPIL AND PUBLIC SCHOOLS FOR THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, AS DETERMINED BY THE REVENUE IN FISCAL AFFAIRS OFFICE, THE AMOUNT DEPOSITED SHALL NOT INCLUDE FEDERAL OR LOCAL FUNDS.
BUT SO THE BILL IS IN A TRANSITION STATE AT THIS TONE, ALL HAD ASKED ABOUT, ABOUT THE STATE OF THE EXCEPTIONAL EXCEPTIONAL NEEDS, UH, TUITION TAX CREDIT PROGRAM REVISIONS.
THERE'S A HANDOUT FROM THE SCHOOL BOARDS ASSOCIATION FOR MAY 17TH, 2021, EXCUSE ME.
SO NOW EXCEPTIONAL AS C IS ADMINISTERING THAT PROGRAM AND THE SCHOOL BOARDS ASSOCIATION DIDN'T RECOMMEND ANY POLICY CHANGES AND THAT BILL, THAT BILL IS ATTACHED IN THE BOARD DOCS FOR YOU ALL.
AND THAT WAS SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR MAY 17TH, 2021.
THAT'S THE ONE THAT I HAD BEEN DISCUSSING AT THE BOARD MEETING.
I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE OTHER ONE THAT WAS PRESENTED, UM, THAT YOU JUST WERE SPEAKING ON.
YEAH, THAT, THAT IS THE ONE THAT'S REFERENCED IN HERE TOO.
SO THAT BILL IS, I WANTED YOU ALL TO BE AWARE OF IT, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT WAS SPONSORED BY SO MANY OF OUR LEGISLATORS.
SO THE H 39 76, I DIDN'T SEE THAT ONE REFERENCED IN THE SE SBA RESOLUTIONS.
I SAW ANOTHER ONE AND THEY DO TALK ABOUT VARIOUS SUBSEQUENT, BUT THE LAST TIME I BELIEVE IT WAS REVISED WAS IN 2014.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO KIND OF BRING ATTENTION TO WAS THAT THE RESOLUTION HANDBOOK THAT WE HAVE FOR 2021 SHOWS THAT ITEM 32 RESOLUTION
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THAT'S TITLED TUITION TAX CREDITS AND VOUCHERS WAS LAST REVISED IN 2014.AND THE, I WAS SPEAKING DIRECTLY TO THE EXCEPTIONAL NEEDS, TUITION TAX CREDIT PROGRAM, WHICH HAS TWO DIFFERENT ITERATIONS IF YOU WILL.
ONE WAS FROM 2014 AND THEN ANOTHER, IN 2015.
AND IT WAS CODIFIED INTO LAW IN 2018.
UM, IT WAS PREVIOUSLY IN A, UH, BUDGET PROVISO.
UM, AND THAT THIS INFORMATION, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M SEEING THIS INFORMATION FROM SE SBA IN REGARD TO THE EXCEPTIONAL NEEDS TUITION TAX CREDIT PROGRAM.
DOCTOR SAYS BECAUSE IT'S 12 DASH SIX DASH 37 90 B.
SO THAT WAS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO, WAS THAT THE EXCEPTIONAL NEEDS TUITION TAX CREDIT PROGRAM, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE BEST WAS LUMPING THIS IN WITH ALL THE OTHERS THAT THEY'RE SPEAKING TO IN NUMBER 30, THE RESOLUTION 32.
UM, SO I THANK YOU FOR PULLING UP THIS INFORMATION AND GETTING THIS, THIS UPDATE.
UM, AND YOU GET EVERYTHING I COULD FOR YOU.
UM, SORRY, LET ME ZOOM IN MS. ROBIN.
SO THE WAY THAT I LOOKED AT THIS WAS A RESOLUTION NUMBER 32 IS, HAS NOTHING IS, UH, DOES NOT INCLUDE THE TAX CREDIT REVISIONS FOR EXCEPTIONAL NEEDS STUDENTS.
SO THE, YOU KNOW, AS, UH, AS THE SESP, UM, DOES NOT RECOMMEND ANY POLICY CHANGES FOR THE TUITION TRACK, UH, TAX CREDIT PROGRAM, BUT THEY DO OPPOSE THAT TAX TUITION TAX CREDITS AND VOUCHERS, UM, WHICH I, WHICH, WHICH I AGREE WITH, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS RESOLUTION NUMBER 32, IF, IF IT WAS NOT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, HOW SPILL, UH, 39 76 CALLS FOR BASICALLY IN MY VIEW OF READING, THIS IS, UM, UH, VOUCHERS FOR PRIVATE SCHOOLS.
AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I CAN SUPPORT.
SO EUROPE, THE UNDERSTANDING THAT, CAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME, LIKE I SAID, THAT I'VE SEEN THIS NOTE, THIS NOTE ON, IN REGARD TO THAT SPECIFIC PROGRAM.
SO IT'S YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT CSBA DOESN'T ADVOCATE FOR, OR AGAINST THE EXCEPTIONAL NEEDS SCHOLAR, UH, TAX CREDIT, UM, WHICH THAT'S WHAT IT DOES APPEAR BASED ON THE BOTTOM OF THIS NOTE.
UM, IT SAYS LOCAL DISTRICT ACTION REQUIRED STSB DOES NOT RECOMMEND ANY POLICY CHANGES AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANY POLICY REFERENCES.
SO I ASSUME AS WELL THAT THEY ARE NOT AGAINST IT.
I JUST WONDER IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT YOU CAN GET CLARIFICATION TO THAT SO THAT WE'RE NOT MISINTERPRETING IT.
UM, CAUSE I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL PROGRAM.
I THINK IT FILLS A GAP THAT IS SORELY NEEDED FOR OUR EXCEPTIONAL STUDENTS IN SOUTH CAROLINA.
AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WHAT I WANTED KNOW WHAT SESP HIS POSITION WAS ON IT.
AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS THAT CHANGED THE PROGRAM IN ILLUSTRATION CHANGED FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE TO EXCEPTIONAL SC WILL NOW BE RESPONSIBLE, RIGHT? YEAH.
THERE'S BEEN QUITE A FEW CHANGES WITH THE PROGRAM AND IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, BUT, UM, I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THE WORK TO GET THAT FOR US, MS. CARTER.
AND I DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT, IF IT REQUIRES, UM, A MODIFICATION TO THIS LANGUAGE TO COME TO THE FULL BOARD, OR IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT WE COULD SEEK, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR UNDERSTANDING IS CORRECT MS. ROBIN ON THAT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN SHOOT OVER AN EMAIL TO SCOTT PRICE.
UM, KIND OF SCHOOL BOARD POST POST-SESSION OPPOSE THIS, THIS, UM, POLICY.
UM, AND PREPARING THAT, I DON'T KNOW.
UH, THEY TALK ABOUT GIVING PEOPLE A CREDIT AND VOUCHERS AND GO TO PRIVATE SCHOOL.
WHAT ABOUT THOSE PATHS THAT DOESN'T HAVE A TRANSPORTATION TO TAKE THEIR CHILD TO THE SCHOOL? IT'S NOT FAIR.
I THINK OUR NEXT STEP IS IN FACT TO QUERY THE ASSOCIATION WITH THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION,
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GET, DIDN'T GET A DEFINITIVE ANSWER FROM THEM BECAUSE, UH, IT COULD BE AN ISSUE AND IT COULDN'T, MAYBE IT'S NOT AN ISSUE.SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD SEND THAT.
UM, WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT WENDY WOULD DO FOR US OR WAS THAT SOMETHING THIS COMMITTEE NEEDS TO DO? I'M NOT COMFORTABLE DOING IT? UM, I WOULD BE GLAD IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO JUST TELL ME AGAIN EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT ME TO ASK.
I WILL TURN THAT BACK OVER TO YOU, RACHEL.
I WANT TO MAKE THIS ROBOT AND HAS A CHANCE TO SPEAK BEFORE I, I CLARIFY THAT.
NO, I MUST NOT HAVE PUT MY HAND DOWN.
UM, AND MS. CARTLEDGE CERTAINLY PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT SUPERINTENDENT RODRIGUEZ IS, IS GOOD WITH US ASKING.
UM, BUT WE JUST WANTED, I THINK CLARIFICATION ON WHETHER OR NOT
CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT WRONG HERE.
THE EXCEPTIONAL NEEDS TUITION TAX CREDIT PROGRAM.
UM, BECAUSE IF IT DOES INCLUDE IT, THEN THAT'S AN ISSUE.
I THINK IF IT DOES NOT PER THIS NOTE THAT WE HAVE HERE FROM THEM, WHICH WE, WE BELIEVE PERHAPS THAT THEY ARE NOT IN OPPOSITION TO IT, THEN IT'S A MOOT ISSUE.
IS THAT JIVE WITH EVERYBODY ELSE? YES.
I THINK YOU STATED IT EXACTLY THE WAY I WOULD STATE IT.
UM, AND WENDY, I THINK I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU SEND YOUR QUERY TO, UH, DEBBIE L MORRISON.
SHE SEEMS TO BE THE ONE THAT'S MOST INVOLVED WITH THIS YEAH.
I'VE SPOKEN WITH HER TODAY AND ALSO BOARD MEMBERS.
RODRIGUEZ THAT I HAD DONE THE RESEARCH CAUSE HE WAS THERE ON FRIDAY WHEN YOU SPEAKING ABOUT IT.
THIS IS ANOTHER DUMB NEW PERSON QUESTION.
WHAT DO WE DO? LIKE LET'S SAY THEY COME BACK AND SAY, YEAH, NO, WE OPPOSE THE EXCEPTIONAL TEXTS, CREDIT, UH, PROVISION.
WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? LIKE I DON'T, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND EXACTLY OUR RELATIONSHIP.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND OUR RELATIONSHIP TO S S CSBA, BUT YOU KNOW HOW THIS ALL WORKS.
DO THEY DO, THEN WE WRITE A LETTER TO THEM OR DO WE HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE FULL BOARD ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF ALL THESE RESOLUTIONS? WHAT'S WHAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO ASK DR.
GLADS SHE CAN SPEAK TO, CAUSE I KNOW HER AND MS. ROBOT AND ALSO HAD PRESENTED RESOLUTIONS BEFORE AND YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS VERY INTIMATELY.
SO I'M GOING TO ASK IF YOU COULD PERHAPS TAKE THAT ONE FOR ME.
SO AT THE, UM, SO THE DELEGATE ASSEMBLY IS IN EARLY DECEMBER AND SO THESE RESOLUTIONS, UH, WILL BE DISCUSSED OR MODIFIED OR AMENDED OR WHATEVER WORDS YOU WANNA USE, UH, PROVIDED THAT DIFFERENT SCHOOL BOARDS, YOU KNOW, HAVE CONCERN WITH A PARTICULAR RESOLUTION.
SO IF THAT, UM, WHAT'S IT CALLED EXCEPTIONAL NEEDS.
TAX CREDIT IS INCLUDED, LET'S SAY IN 32, WE THINK IT'S NOT, BUT LET'S SAY IT IS INCLUDED IN, IN 32.
WELL THEN OUR BOARD BEFORE DECEMBER 4TH WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE.
DO WE WANT TO CHALLENGE THE WORDING OF 32 OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, PUT IN DIFFERENT WORDING OF 32 AND THEN OUR DELEGATES THAT ARE REPRESENTING OUR BOARD ON DECEMBER 4TH COULD BRING THAT FORWARD TO THE ASSEMBLY AND THEN IT WOULD BE VOTED ON ACTUALLY BY THE ENTIRE ASSEMBLY.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE PROCESS EARLY ON LIKE EACH YEAR, UM, BEFORE, YOU KNOW, UH, BY, I THINK IT'S JUNE 15TH, UH, INDIVIDUALLY, UH, SCHOOL BOARD CAN, UM, UH, SUBMIT A LEGISLATIVE PROPOSAL THAT THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR SOUTH CAROLINA SCHOOL BOARDS ASSOCIATION END UP, I THINK, DISCUSSING AND VOTING ON WHETHER OR NOT IT'S GOES INTO THIS HANDBOOK.
AND OURS DID GO INTO THE HANDBOOK LAST YEAR ABOUT THE EXPANSION OF BROADBAND STATEWIDE, BUT ULTIMATELY IT WAS STILL THE DELEGATE ASSEMBLY, THE INDIVIDUAL BOARDS AND THE DELEGATES REPRESENTING THOSE BOARDS THAT HAD TO VOTE WHETHER TO INCLUDE OR NOT.
AND THAT ACTUALLY PASSED UNANIMOUSLY AND AS A QUICK FALL.
CAUSE THAT HELPS ME UNDERSTAND.
CAUSE WHEN WE GOT THAT AT THE WORK SESSION, I WAS LIKE, WHY ARE WE TALKING? UM, AS A FOLLOW-UP TO THAT, THERE ARE OTHER WAYS THAT WE ADVOCATE WITH THE LEGISLATURE BESIDES THE SC SBA, RIGHT.
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WE CAN WRITE LETTERS DIRECTLY.I THINK WE WROTE, UH, HAVE WRITTEN LETTERS.
SO THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE AVENUES THAT OUR SCHOOL BOARD HAS TO ADVOCATE WITH THE LEGISLATURE.
IS THAT CORRECT? I WOULD SAY EXACTLY.
THIS IS THE, THE ROUTE THAT S CSBA IS GOING TO ADVOCATE ON, ON ALL SCHOOL BOARDS IN THE STATE ON THEIR BEHALF, BUT WE COULD SEND A LETTER AND WE HAVE, I THINK OUR LETTER ACTUALLY TO THE, ABOUT, UM, INCREASING THE STEPS FROM 23 TO 28, WE DID SEND TO THE GENERAL, WELL, WE SENT IT TO THE BUFORD COUNTY DELEGATION BECAUSE, UH, LYNN STOKES, MARIE HAD REPRESENT, HAD RECOMMENDED JUST PRESENTING IT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, BUT THE STF BA WILL NOT TAKE THAT FORWARD FOR US.
THEY SAY THEY ALREADY HAVE A RESOLUTION ABOUT THE SALARY SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH, UH, THE NATIONAL AVERAGE.
AND SO THEY FEEL THAT THAT COVERS IT.
AND THE OTHER THING WAS THEY SAID THAT THE, UM, THEIR SCHOOL BOARDS IN THE STATE THAT COULDN'T AFFORD TO DO THE FUNDING FOR THAT FIVE STEP INCREASE AND THE, AND THE, UM, THE, THE FUNDING IS, WOULD BE MANDATED, BUT NOT, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE UNFUNDED, IT WOULD BE A MANDATED, BUT UNFUNDED.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY THEY DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
SO THEN IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING MS. CARTLIDGE IS GOING TO SEND THAT NOTE OR MAKE THAT PHONE CALL TO TRY TO GET A PATIENT.
AND THEN, UM, I THINK THAT THE, THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE KIND OF KNOW WHAT THE NEXT STEP IS.
IF MS. CARLA, HOW HELP, HOW QUICKLY DO YOU THINK YOU COULD GET A RESPONSE FOR US? CAUSE I KNOW THAT WE ARE UNDER SOMEWHAT OF A TIME CONSTRAINT WITH AN UPCOMING MEETING.
IF I SEND THE EMAIL TODAY AND I'LL COPY ALL OF YOU, I WOULD THINK THEY'D GET THAT FROM ME TOMORROW.
I KNOW THE SCHOOL BOARDS ASSOCIATION CLOSES AT FOUR 30.
SO WE'LL, WE CAN, WE CAN GO FROM THERE THEN.
UM, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DISCUSSION OF FUTURE MEETING DATES.
SO I THINK, UH, DEPENDING ON IF THERE'S ANY ACTION NECESSARY FROM THAT CONVERSATION, OTHERWISE, IF, IF THEY COME BACK AND THEY SAY, IT'S NOT INCLUDED, IT'S A MOOT ISSUE.
SO I DON'T THINK WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE ANY FUTURE MEETING DATE.
WHAT WE DO HAVE THAT OUTSTANDING ITEM G UM, IN REGARDS TO THOSE ALWAYS THAT MS. WALTON WANTED CLARIFICATION ON.
SO LET'S UM, IF ROBIN, YOU HAVE A CALENDAR AVAILABLE, LET'S SEE HERE.
WELL, WHAT DOES EVERYBODY LOOK LIKE FOR LET'S SEE, NOVEMBER IS NOVEMBER 15TH.
I SEE YOUR HAND, MR. DISTRIBUTOR.
I WAS JUST GOING TO SUGGEST THAT, UH, WE SHOULD PROBABLY PIVOT AROUND ALICE WALTON'S AVAILABILITY FOR OUR NEXT WEEK, BUT LET'S FIND OUT WHAT WHAT'S BEST FOR HER.
AND THEN WE CAN ADJUST TO THAT.
WELL, IF YOU WANT TO JUST QUERY HER AND THEN THE MEMBERS AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET SOMETHING ON THE CALENDAR.
UM, NO ONE HAS ANYTHING FURTHER.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? UM, MR. SCHROEDER, I THINK SECOND GOODBYE.