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[1. CALL TO ORDER]
GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY.YOU ARE WATCHING US ON THE BUFORD COUNTY CHANNEL, WHICH HAS HARD GRAY CHANNEL NINE OR ONE 13 OR ON SPECTRUM CHANNEL 1304.
UM, AND WE ARE ALL IN ATTENDANCE AND WE HAVE ONE THAT IS REMOTE ON MR. TUMOR.
ARE THERE PUBLIC COMMENTS? THERE ARE NO COMMENTS ON AND DURING WORKSHOP ITEMS, WE ONLY TAKE COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS ONLY.
[3.1. Overview of FY 2021-22 Strategic Action Agenda Historic Preservation Initiatives and Unified Development Ordinance Amendments, including:]
LET'S MOVE ON TO WORKSHOP AGENDA ITEMS. IT'S THE OVERVIEW OF THE 2122 STRATEGIC ACTION AGENDA, HISTORIC PRESERVATION INITIATIVES AND UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS.UM, THIS IS A WORKSHOP, SO YOU'RE TAKING ADVICE FROM US AND, UM, YOU'RE UP? YES.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO MAKE THIS AS INFORMATIVE YET.
UM, SO WE'RE HERE FOR THIS EVENING, UH, FOR DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION ON THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, UH, FOR THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, AS WELL AS, UH, OTHER ITEMS RELATED TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION INCENTIVES.
UM, JUST QUICKLY, UH, WE'VE GOT SOME, UM, WE'VE RECENTLY APPROVED SOME EDO, UH, AMENDMENTS, UM, RELATED TO THE OLD TOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, I'M GOING TO GO OVER SOME ADDITIONAL ONES THAT, UM, THAT WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD TO YOU.
UM, AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY.
JUST GIVE YOU A VERY, VERY BRIEF OVERVIEW AS TO WHAT'S, UH, MOVING FORWARD.
UH, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, UM, ARE, UH, RELATED TO TERMS AND DEFINITIONS, DESIGNATION OF CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES AND THE PROACTIVE PRESERVATION.
AND THEN AT THE END, WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE INCENTIVES, INCLUDING PROPERTY TAX ABATEMENT AND GRANT PROGRAMS, UH, VERY QUICKLY.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS YOU SEE ON HERE, WE HAD VARIOUS, UH, UTO AMENDMENTS RELATED TO PRESERVATION THAT CAME THROUGH, UH, BACK THROUGH JULY, NOVEMBER, AND THEN MARCH OF THIS YEAR IN AUGUST OF THIS YEAR, UH, RELATED TO THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS STANDARDS.
IF YOU REMEMBER THAT WAS DEALING WITH THE BUILDING WIDTHS, WHERE WE CHANGED THE BUILDING WIDTHS TO THE, THE, UM, EXCUSE ME, THE LOT WIDTHS TO THE MINIMUM OF 50 FEET, UH, THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL USES.
UM, THEN WE HAD THE DESIGNATED, UH, EXCUSE ME, THE, THE DESIGN STANDARDS, UM, RELATED TO THE BUILDING TYPES.
AND THAT WAS THAT MAXIMUM BUILDING FOOTPRINT THAT WE JUST CHANGED RECENTLY.
AND THEN THE VARIOUS, UM, SIGN AMENDMENTS THAT WE HAD DEALT MAINLY WITH THE INTENT AND CRITERIA AND JUST CLARIFYING THE TYPES OF SIGNS.
UH, SO THE HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY, UH, BACK IN, UM, 2019, WE STARTED, UH, MOVING FORWARD, UH, WITH, UM, UM, UPDATING THE HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY.
WE RECEIVED A GRANT, UM, UH, THROUGH THE PARKS NATIONAL PARKS SERVICE, UH, FOR AN UNDERREPRESENTED, UH, COMMUNITY GRANT.
AND THAT WAS, UM, TO SURVEY BUCK ISLAND SIMMONS, VILLE GUTHY ROAD AREAS, INCLUDING, UH, THE EXISTING STRUCTURES IN OLD TOWN.
UH, THERE WERE MORE THAN 400 PROPERTIES THAT WERE SURVEYED.
UM, AND THEN THERE WERE A FEW PROPERTIES THAT WERE, THAT HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BECOME, UH, CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE CURRENT, UH, NATIONAL AND LOCAL DISTRICT.
UM, AND THEN THE VARIOUS, UM, BUILDINGS THAT WERE IN THE CURRENT LOCAL AND HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, NOT ALL SURVEYS OR EXCUSE ME, NOT ALL SURVEY PROPERTIES ARE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES, IT'S ALL DATA.
SO AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR.
EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHEN WE DO THIS RESOURCE SURVEY, IT IS, THEY ARE SURVEYING PROPERTIES THAT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT A PROPERTY IS THEN A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE.
IT'S JUST DATA THAT WE USE, UM, IN, UH, PASTOR, UH, REQUIREMENTS WAS TO, UH, OR ONE OF THE STRATEGIC ACTION ITEMS IS TO, UM, TRY TO ALIGN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, MORE IN LINE WITH THE LOCAL DISTRICT.
SO, UM, RIGHT NOW, JUST KIND OF SHOWING YOU THE MAP TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS.
THIS IS, UM, TO, TO ALIGN THE, THE, UM, THE DISTRICTS, UH, BROCKINGTON WILL DO A PRESENTATION WHERE THEY HAVE, UM, THEY HAVE PROPOSED A FUTURE ALIGNMENT, UH, HOWEVER, AND IT'S NOT SHOWN ON THIS PLAN WHERE THOSE LINES WOULD BE, UH, SHIPPO IS, DOES NOT BELIEVE IN THAT ALIGNMENT.
UH, SO WE ARE WORKING WITH SHIPPO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN, UM, ACCURATELY REFLECT WHAT THAT ALIGNMENT'S GOING TO BE.
SO, UM, WE WILL BRING THAT BACK TO YOU.
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FOR YOU TO APPROVE, BUT MORE AS A, UM, AS A, UH, INFORMATION, UM, WHEN WE, UH, ALIGN OR, YOU KNOW, INCREASE THAT NATIONAL DISTRICT THAT'S ON A PROPERTY BY PROPERTY OWNER BASIS.SO A PROPERTY OWNER HAS TO AGREE TO, TO HAVE THAT DESIGNATION, UM, INCLUDED ON THEIR PROPERTY.
SO, UH, AGAIN, THIS IS HIGH LEVEL RIGHT NOW.
WE WILL BRING THAT BACK TO YOU AT ANOTHER TIME AS THAT PROCESS MOVES FORWARD.
AND WHAT YOU JUST SAID, SO I'M CLEAR ON THIS PROPERTY OWNER WOULD HAVE TO AGREE FOR A LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT CONNOTATION OR THE NATIONAL, THE NATIONAL FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTRY.
YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO GO TO THE PERSON, RIGHT.
SO JUST AGAIN, THAT IS TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE CAN'T JUST ARBITRARILY GO OUT, PICK A LINE AND THEN SAY YOU ARE NOW IN THE HISTORIC OR IN THE NATIONAL DISTRICT.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AREA, NOT HOUSES, CAUSE WE ALL KNOW TO BE ON THE DISLIKE CAMPBELL CHURCH AND CHURCH OF THE CROSS, THOSE OWNERS WENT FORWARD TO GET THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THAT WAS FOR THE, UM, NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.
THAT WAS THE, THAT'S AN INDIVIDUAL DESIGNATION.
THERE'S ALSO A HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGNATION, WHICH BASICALLY IS THE SAME PROCESS.
IT'S JUST A COLLECTION OF INDIVIDUAL CONTIGUOUS, UM, STRUCTURES.
WE WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS WHEN WE DID THE ORIGINAL DISTRICT AND NOW WE'RE WANTING TO CHANGE IT OR NOT.
IF WE CHANGE IT, THEN DO YOU GO BACK FROM THE VERY BEGINNING AND ASK EVERYONE OR JUST THE NEW, NO, IT WOULD BE AN EXPANSION.
UM, THERE'S, THERE'S TWO THINGS WE CAN DO.
WE CAN EXPAND IT, WE CAN ALSO CONTRACT IT.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND ASK FOR OWNER CONSENT AGAIN, IF YOU'RE ALREADY IN THE DISTRICT, UM, WE WOULD PROBABLY COMMUNICATE WITH THEM TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE EXPANDING THE DISTRICT AND YOU'RE ALREADY PART OF THE DISTRICT.
THAT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR AN EXPANSION.
SO THAT, THAT WILL COME BACK, UM, IN THE FUTURE MORE AGAIN FOR THAT INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES.
UH, SO FROM NEXT STEPS, UM, ON DECEMBER 14TH BROCKINGTON ASSOCIATION AND ASSOCIATES ARE GOING TO COME TO DO A, UM, UH, UH, PRESENTATION OF THEIR FINDINGS.
UM, AGAIN, THAT'S NOT THE HIGH LEVEL JUST EXPLAINING WHAT THEY DID, UM, WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF THE, THE, THE INFORMATION THAT THEY HAVE, UM, HAVE COLLECTED.
AND THEN WE WILL HAVE A RESOLUTION, UH, FOR YOU TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ACCEPTANCE OF THAT, UM, OF THAT RESOURCE DOCUMENT.
UM, AND THEN I'VE GOT SOME MORE INFORMATION TO GO INTO ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
UM, THE NEXT ITEM THAT WE HAD WAS DEALING WITH THE UTO AMENDMENTS.
UM, SO WE HAVE VARIOUS, UM, WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT ONES THAT ARE COMING FORWARD.
ONE IS THE REVISED TERMS AND DEFINITIONS.
UM, AND THAT'S FOR THE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES.
CURRENTLY, THE WAY THAT OUR DEFINITION IS, IS SET UP IS SAYS THAT ANY HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY, UM, WE BASE IT, WE BASE THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES BASED OFF OF THE MOST RECENT HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY.
WELL, AS YOU REMEMBER, WHAT I JUST SAID IS THAT THIS 2019 HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY, THEY, THEY SURVEYED OVER 400 PROPERTIES.
NOW, WHAT HAPPENS IS IF WE KEEP OUR DEFINITION, THE WAY THAT IT IS RIGHT NOW, THAT MEANS THAT ALL 400 OF THOSE PROPERTIES ARE CONSIDERED CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT IT.
SO, UM, WHAT WE ARE DOING IS WE ARE BRINGING, WE'RE UPDATING OUR, OUR, OUR DEFINITION TO MAKE SURE THAT IT REFLECTS THE 2008 SURVEY.
THAT'S THE SURVEY THAT, THAT TOWN COUNCIL, UM, DESIGNATED AND USED AS THERE WERE GOING TO SAY THE LIST OF, OF CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
THAT'S THE, UM, THAT'S THE 84 STRUCTURES THAT WE ACTUALLY 82 STRUCTURES AND TWO COVES, UH, THAT WE HAVE AS CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
SO WHAT WE WILL HAVE, UM, THAT'S COMING FORWARD AS WELL IS A MAP THAT CONTRIBUTING, UM, RESOURCES MAP.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, GRANTED, YOU CAN'T READ IT BECAUSE THE, THE TEXT IS SO SMALL, BUT THAT LISTS OUT ALL OF THE STRUCTURES AND THE TWO COVES.
UM, SO IN THAT DECEMBER MEETING, AND I'LL, I'LL HIGHLIGHT IT AGAIN HERE IN A SECOND.
UH, WE'LL HAVE A RESOLUTION FOR YOU.
UM, SOLIDIFYING THIS MAP AS THE LIST OF CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
IT'S NOT CHANGING, IT'S NOT CHANGING FROM WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW AT ALL.
SO I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK WE ARE, WE'RE NOT ADDING OR REMOVING ANYTHING AT THIS MOMENT.
WE, WE NEED TO HAVE A BASE TO START WITH.
SO IN THE FUTURE, IF, AS YOU GUYS MOVE FORWARD, IF SOMEONE WERE TO COME IN AND THEY WANTED TO REMOVE A DESIGNATION OR TO
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BE ADDED, LIKE WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE A BASE TO START WITH.UM, SO, UM, ALSO WITH THAT, UNDER THIS DESIGNATION OF CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, REVISED CRITERIA, UM, AS SOME OF YOU WILL REMEMBER, UM, UH, GOSH, TWO YEARS AGO, MAYBE WE HAVE 10 REVIEW CRITERIA THAT WE USE WHEN WE'RE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT A DESIGNATED AND CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND YOU GUYS SAID THAT'S TOO MUCH.
SO, UM, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE HAVE CHANGED THAT FROM THE 10 CRITERIA TO THE FOUR CRITERIA THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE STATE OR THE FEDERAL CRITERIA USED FOR NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.
SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE MAKING SURE WE'RE GETTING OUR ORDINANCE TO BE IN LINE WITH THOSE CRITERIA.
SO THAT WILL BE COMING TO YOU AS WELL.
FOR CLARITY, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THAT CONVERSATION BACK THEN, THE PROBLEM WE HAD WITH THE 10 ITEMS YOU FELL INTO ANY ONE OR TWO OF THOSE, YOU SWUNG OVER INTO A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE CATEGORY.
AND THAT'S WHY WE ASKED YOU ALL TO GO BACK.
SO THIS IS ALL INFORMATION YOU'VE GOTTEN FROM US AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO WORKSHOP AT AGAIN.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST ITEM IS WE'RE BRINGING BACK THE PROACTIVE PRESERVATION AND MAINTENANCE FOR THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES TO YOU.
UH, WE HAD LISTENED TO YOU FROM THE LAST TIME, IF YOU REMEMBER, UM, YOU HAD DENIED THIS AT FIRST READING, UH, THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS IN DEALING WITH, UM, UH, I THINK SOME OF THEM WERE, UH, CHANGES IN, IN HAVING, UH, HAVING LIENS ON THERE.
SO, UH, WE'VE UPDATED THAT AND WE'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING THAT BACK TO BOTH PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, NEXT WEEK AT THEIR OCTOBER MEETING AND THEN TO YOU IN NOVEMBER.
SO AGAIN HERE, KIND OF THE NEXT STEPS, UH, THE VARIOUS EDO AMENDMENTS, UH, GOING TO PLANNING COMMISSION NEXT WEEK, UH, WE'LL HAVE A FIRST READING IN NOVEMBER FOR YOU AND THEN A PUBLIC HEARING AND SECOND READING, UH, IN DECEMBER 14TH.
AND THEN THAT'S WHERE I WAS REFERRING TO THE RESOLUTION TO ADOPT THAT CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES MAP THAT I SHOWED YOU A MINUTE AGO, AS WELL AS THE HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY, WHICH IS THE DATA.
AND THEN WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE MADE THIS ALL HAVE AN EFFECTIVE JANUARY ONE DATE, AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE INCENTIVES THAT WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING KIND OF LINES UP AND WE START ON, UH, START FRESH IN THE NEW YEAR.
NOW I'M GOING TO PASS IT ON TO GLEN.
I'M GOING TO LET GLENN COME UP AND TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE INCENTIVES THAT WERE, UH, MOVING FORWARD WITH COMMENTS ON WHAT YOU, UM, I'M HAPPY.
I'M HAPPY TO STOP AND TAKE QUESTIONS ON THESE ITEMS. LARRY, DID YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OF ANY OF THAT THAT YOU JUST SAW PRESENTED? NO, ACTUALLY I CAN'T SEE ANYTHING, LISA.
IT'S NOT, UM, THEY'VE GOT THE HILTON HEAD COUNCIL MEETING ON, ON THE COUNTY CHANNEL AT THIS TIME.
IF YOU PULL UP THE EMAIL THAT KIM SENT YOU AND CLICK ON THAT LINK, YOU CAN KIND OF FOLLOW ALONG OF WHAT HE'S SAYING, BUT, UM, OR SORRY, OR WHAT YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO TRY IS THERE USED TO BE, IF YOU CAN WATCH IT ON YOUR MOBILE DEVICE OR COMPUTER LAPTOP, IPAD, THERE SHOULD BE A REQUEST TO CHANGE PREFERRED MEETING, AND YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO CLICK ON TOWN OF BLUFF.
ARE YOU WATCHING IT? I'LL GIVE YOU TWO CHOICES ON A COMPUTER.
IF YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU GO ON THE INTERNET AND GO TO BUFORD COUNTY AND WATCH LIVE, YOU CAN PICK WHICH ONE YOU WANT TO WATCH IF YOU WANT TO SWITCH OVER.
LET ME JUST USE THAT ONE SINCE MARISOL K, IF YOU WANT TO, UM, INFORM MR. TUMOR AND LET HIM KNOW THAT WE'RE HAPPY TO SIT DOWN WITH HIM AND GO OVER THIS INFORMATION.
UM, JUST, JUST SO THAT WAY HE CAN, WE WERE HAPPY TO TALK TO HIM INDIVIDUALLY ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE TALKING.
SO ANY QUESTIONS, LARRY? UM, IF YOU WANT TO COME IN, THIS IS A WORKSHOP OVER, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT SOON YOU CAN COME SIT WITH KEVIN AND GLENN AND HEATHER AND STEVEN OR WHOEVER AND GO OVER IT.
JUST, I JUST HAD A QUESTION BEFORE WE GET TO GLENN.
SO I READ THROUGH THIS, THE DESIGNATION OF CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES.
I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE LAST COUPLE OF SENTENCE.
ADDITIONALLY, THE DESIGNATION PROCESS IS PROPOSED TO REVISE TO MAKE CLEAR THAT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION SERVES AS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO COUNCIL.
WHAT WAS, IS THAT IN THE RESEARCH CONTRIBUTING DESIGNATION OF CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES? IS THAT WHAT THAT MEANS? UM, GIVE ME ONE
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SECOND HERE.AND YOUR REPORT, PAGE TWO ON YOUR REPORT.
I JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY, WHY WE NOTED THAT THEY WERE AN ADVISORY BOARD WHEN THEY SO STAND ALONE.
IS THAT JUST ON THIS ONE AMENDMENT? SORRY, IF YOU DON'T MIND GO DOWN, GO DOWN.
ADDITIONALLY, NOT GO TO THE NEXT PAGE.
UM, SO TOWN COUNCIL IS THE APPROVAL AUTHORITY FOR DESIGNATED CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
WHAT WE DO IS WE WOULD BRING IT TO THE HPC AND ASK THEM FOR A, AN ESSENCE FOR A RECOMMENDATION.
NOW IT'S NOT NECESSARILY, IT'S NOT REQUIRED RECOMMENDATION, BUT IT GIVES THEM, IT'S AN, IT'S A BOARD TO KIND OF SCRUB IT, TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, TO BE ABLE TO LET YOU KNOW ABOUT IT.
AND THEN I HAD A QUESTION ON THE PROPOSAL AND WE'RE NOT THERE YET.
CAUSE HE'S WHEN YOU'RE DOING FIVE, YOU'RE DOING THE INCENTIVES.
SO THE LAST PARAGRAPH ON FOR THE PROPOSAL ORDINANCE IS DESIGNED TO WORK COLLABORATIVELY, TO DEVELOP A PRESERVATION PLAN, UM, AND ASSIST THE PROPERTY OWNER, RELOCATING FINANCIAL RESOURCES.
I HIGHLIGHTED THAT BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT WAS IMPORTANT, BUT I DIDN'T WRITE A NOTE.
MAYBE I'LL REMEMBER WHY I UNDERMINED IT.
SO I THOUGHT I'D LIKE TO START OFF WITH SOME OF THE EXISTING FEDERAL INCENTIVE PROGRAMS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON THE BOOKS.
UM, THESE ARE FOUR PROPERTIES THAT ARE LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OR IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT.
UM, THERE'S A 20% FEDERAL INCOME TAX, HISTORIC REHABILITATION TAX CREDIT ON THE BOOKS RIGHT NOW, UM, IN THE NEW, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE BILL THAT CONGRESS IS DEBATING RIGHT NOW, THERE'S A PROPOSAL TO INCREASE THAT TO 30% AND THEN TO DIAL IT BACK TO 20% BY 2027.
UM, THAT OF COURSE WILL ONLY BECOME EFFECTIVE IF CONGRESS PASSES THAT MEASURE.
UM, THERE'S ALSO AN INCOME TAX INCENTIVE AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL FOR EASEMENT DONATIONS FOR PROPERTY OWNERS.
AND THEN THERE'S HISTORIC PRESERVATION FUNDS THROUGH THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE.
UM, ONE WAS SAVE AMERICA'S TREASURE GRANTS PROGRAM AND THE UNDERREPRESENTED COMMUNITY GRANTS PROGRAM, WHICH WE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF TO GET THE 2019 SURVEY DONE.
UM, THAT ALSO GIVES, UM, PROGRAM ALSO ALLOWS US TO DO PROGRAMMING AND OTHER THINGS, HISTORIC PRESERVATION RELATED.
UM, WITH THAT MONEY, WHEN YOU CLARIFY FOR ME WHAT THE FEDERAL INCOME TAX FOR EASEMENT DONATIONS OR DOES THAT MEANING SPECIFIC? SO A, A HOMEOWNER OR A PRIVATE RESIDENT CAN DONATE AN EASEMENT, UM, TO A QUALIFIED EASEMENT RECIPIENT AND GET A TAX REFUND ON THERE.
UM, I MEAN JUST TAX CREDIT ON THEIR INCOME TAX CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
SO ANYONE CAN DO THAT, NOT JUST PRESERVATION, NOT JUST FOR PRESERVATION.
AT THE STATE LEVEL, SOUTH CAROLINA ALSO HAS THEIR OWN INCENTIVE PROGRAMS. AGAIN, THESE ARE ALSO FOR NATIONAL REGISTERED LISTED PROPERTIES AND ALSO FOR PROPERTIES IN A LOCAL DISTRICT.
UM, THERE'S A TAX CREDIT, 10% ON YOUR STATE TAXES FOR INCOME PRODUCING PROPERTIES.
UM, THAT GOES UP TO 25% AS A TAX CREDIT.
IF YOU'RE AN OWNER OCCUPIED PROPERTY, UM, THERE'S VARIOUS PROPERTY REHABILITATION INCENTIVES THAT THE STATE OFFERS, UM, AND THEN VARIOUS MANSION MATCHING GRANT PROGRAMS THROUGH THE SOUTH CAROLINA SHIPPO.
UM, SOME OF THOSE FUNDS ACTUALLY GET DISPERSED THROUGH A CLG BLUFFTON AND SAY AS A CLG, WHICH IS A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
UM, AND AS THEY SAY, CLG, BLUFFTON WOULD HAVE A FIRST CRACK AT SOME OF THOSE.
UM, SOME OF THOSE FUNDS ARE THERE STRENGTHS TO THE STATE'S SYMPTOMS, NO WORDS.
IF YOU LIVE IN THE PROPERTY AND IT'S 25 PER CENT REHABILITATION, YOU STAYED AT THREE YEARS AND THEY WANT TO MOVE OR SELL IT.
I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY SPECIFIC TIMEFRAME.
UH, WE W WE'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT, UH, THE MATCH ON THE MATCHING GRANTS THROUGH SHIP, UH, THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH BLUFFTON, RIGHT? THE LAST TWO BULLETS COUNTER TOGETHER.
DOES THAT MEAN THAT SOMEBODY LIVING ON 27 SMITH STREET CAN APPLY FOR WORK THROUGH US TO GET THE, THE FUNDS WOULD COME TO US AND THEN WE WOULD DISPERSE IT? IS THAT KIND OF, YEAH.
SO THE FUNDS ARE GENERATED, UM, THROUGH, UM, I THINK IT'S FROM OFFSHORE DRILLING GOES THROUGH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO THE SHIPPO'S ALL 51, AND THEN IT COMES DOWN THROUGH THE CLDS AS A CLG, WE WOULD BEAT THE
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DISPERSING BODY FOR THAT.UM, AND THEN THE TOWN INCENTIVES, THESE ARE WHAT'S WE'RE PROPOSING.
UM, WE HAD THE BAILEY BILL PROGRAM, WHICH IS A PROPERTY TAX ABATEMENT PROGRAM.
AND THEN WE HAVE TWO GRANT PROGRAMS. UH, ONE IS A GRANT PROGRAM FOR COMMERCIAL, NONPROFIT, OR INSTITUTIONAL PROPERTIES.
AND THEN ONE IS FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
I'LL TAKE YOU THROUGH THOSE DETAILS.
NOW, THE BAILEYVILLE PROGRAM, UM, IS A TAX ABATEMENT PROGRAM, AND THIS IS WE'RE SETTING IT UP FOR OWNERS OF CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES WITHIN THE OLD TOWN BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH ACTUALLY ALSO ENCOMPASSES THE NATIONAL REGISTERED DISTRICT, UM, WHO REPEL, WHO RE REHABILITATE THEIR STRUCTURES THAT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROGRAM WERE SETTING FORTH.
UM, WE'RE REQUIRING THEM TO GO THROUGH A SIMILAR PROGRAM LIKE WE WOULD HAVE WITH A, A COFA.
UM, SO HBC WOULD REVIEW THE APPLICATION, TAKE IT THROUGH THE, THE STANDARDS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING THE RIGHT THING TO THE PROPERTY.
THE GOAL IS WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT PROPERTY STAYS IN GOOD SHAPE.
UM, AND THEN WHEN THE PROGRAM IS DONE WITH, UH, UM, WORK IS FINISHED, UH, THEY WOULD GET A FINAL CERTIFICATION, WHICH WOULD THEN GIVE THEM, UM, THE ABILITY TO GET THAT, THAT TAX ABATEMENT, UM, THE TAX ABATEMENT IS ACTUALLY FOR IS, IS IT FOR A SET PERIOD OF TIME, UM, ANYWHERE FROM FIVE, FIVE YEARS UP TO 20 YEARS.
UM, SO AS W AS THE LAW IS WRITTEN, UM, FOR THE MINIMUM EXPENDITURE, UM, 20% FOR FIVE YEARS, MAXIMUM TIME PERIOD IS 20 YEARS FOR AN EXPENDITURE 50%.
UM, THIS IS BASED ON VALUE OF THE PROPERTY AND HOW MUCH MONEY YOU'RE GOING TO BE SPENDING WOULD BE, UH, HOW MUCH YOU'D BE GETTING OFF ON YOUR, UM, TEXAS FOR THE PERIOD OF TIME.
WE RAN SOME NUMBERS FOR YOU JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF HOW MUCH MONEY WE MIGHT BE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, THIS SCENARIO IS FOR A 20 YEAR PERIOD, UM, SPENDING 50%, UM, FOR RESIDENTIAL, THAT FIRST COLUMN, UH, YOUR INCREASED VALUE, DO THE RENOVATIONS FOR $50,000.
UM, YOU'RE ACTUALLY AVOIDING ANNUALLY.
YOUR TAX PAYMENT WOULD GO DOWN BY $770 UNDER THAT SCENARIO.
UM, AFTER 20 YEARS, YOU WOULD HAVE SAVED YOURSELF $15,000 IN CHANGE FOR A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
UM, SAME SCENARIO SPENDING, UH, TO INCREASE YOUR PROPERTY VALUE FOR RENOVATIONS UP TO $150,000.
UM, YOUR ANNUAL TAX PAYMENT SAVINGS IS $3,400 AND CHANGE, UM, OVER 20 YEARS, THAT'S $69,000.
UM, SO IT, IT DOES HAVE SOME, SOME BENEFIT ON THE LONG RUN QUESTION.
SO IS THIS ALL ENCOMPASSING, IN OTHER WORDS, THIS IS THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY OR THE TOWN AND THE STATE IS JUST THE TAPE.
THIS IS JUST THE TOWN, JUST THE TOWN.
SO, SO YOU COULD STILL APPLY TO GET SOME CREDITS THROUGH THE STATE.
YOU CUT, RIGHT? HOW ABOUT THE COUNTY? WE'RE NOT AT THE COUNTY LEVEL AT THE MOMENT.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT DOWN THE ROAD, BUT THIS IS THE SCENARIO, THE WAY WE HAD THE BAILEY BILL SET UP RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST YOUR LOCAL TAXES.
THE REASON I WROTE THAT IS OBVIOUS.
I THINK THAT IT WOULD BEHOOVE US TO MAYBE REACH OUT TO THE COUNTY IF THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AVAILABLE LIKE THIS, TO GET THEM ON BOARD, BECAUSE IT HELPS US ALL.
I BELIEVE THE COUNTY DID PASS IT.
I MEAN, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR YEARS AND YEARS.
UM, AND I KNOW THE COUNTY, I KNOW THE CITY OF BUFORD PASS IT.
THEY HAVE TO GET THE COUNTY TO GIVE AN OKAY.
AND I THOUGHT THE COUNTY PASSED IT.
AND I'M LOOKING AT BOTH OF Y'ALL TO SEE, MAYBE Y'ALL CAN FIND OUT, OKAY.
THE COUNTY DOES HAVE THE PROGRAM.
THE NEXT STEPS THAT WE COULD DO IS WE DIDN'T WANT TO WANT TO SLOW DOWN THIS PROCESS BY ANY MEANS.
WE CAN GO TO THE COUNTY TO REQUEST THAT THEY ABATE, UM, THE TAXES AS WELL UNDER THE SAME PROGRAM, WHATEVER IS ADOPTED AND ALSO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
UM, HOWEVER, I DON'T KNOW HOW SUCCESSFUL THAT WOULD BE AT THIS MOMENT, MAYBE.
UM, CERTAINLY WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, BUT WE WANTED TO AT LEAST MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROGRAM AND THE TAX INCENTIVES FOR THE TOWN PORTION, AND THEN MOVE ON IF THAT'S COUNCIL'S DIRECTIVE THE COUNTY, BUT ADD ON YOUR COUNTY RESIDENTS TOO.
I MEAN, IF THE COUNTY ADOPTED IT, ONLY PEOPLE THAT LIVE OUTSIDE OF THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY CAN GET THE COUNTY FOR A STREETS OR WOULDN'T, WE ALL BE ABLE TO GET IT.
I DON'T BELIEVE WELL, I'LL LOOK, WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT FOR, FOR FIRST READING FOR SURE.
I KNOW WHEN WE PUT, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS, I BELIEVE THERE'S SOME EXTRA STEPS THAT WE NEED TO GO FORWARD WITH, BUT, UM, WE'LL DEFINITELY GET THAT FINALIZED BEFORE WE COME BACK.
IS COMMERCIAL CONSIDERED A RENTAL
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ARE AN ACTUAL COMMERCIAL BUSINESS? WHAT IS COMMERCIAL STAFF? IT CAN BE RENTAL, THERE'S SOME GUIDELINES OF HOW RENTAL WOULD WORK.UM, BUT IT'S GENERALLY TRADITIONAL COMMERCIAL BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT, UM, AS DEEMED COMMERCIAL.
UM, WE DID A SIMILAR ANALYSIS, UM, AT THE LOW END OF THE, OF THE RANGE, UM, FOR RESIDENTIAL INCREASING THEIR VALUE DUE TO RENOVATIONS BY $10,000.
UM, FOR THE FIVE-YEAR PERIOD, YOU'RE SAVING YOURSELF $770.
UM, CONVERSELY FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY INCREASED VALUE BY $50,000, UH, AFTER FIVE YEARS, YOU'RE SAVING ABOUT 57, 50 $800.
SO A LITTLE BIT LESS, BUT STILL SOMETHING TO, UM, TO HELP OUT, UM, THE TYPE OF WORK THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THE BAILEY BILL.
UM, WE'VE INCLUDED THINGS LIKE REPAIRS TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
UM, ANY ALTERATIONS THAT ARE NEEDED FOR THE EXTERIOR, UM, NEW CONSTRUCTION, WHICH, UM, INCLUDES SITE WORK, UM, AT THE PROPERTY, UM, FOR A PUBLIC BUILDING OR A COMMERCIAL CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, UM, THEY WOULD BE ELIGIBLE TO INCLUDE THINGS LIKE INTERIOR ALTERATIONS, BUT IT HAS TO BE FOR PRIMARY, UM, PUBLIC SPACES.
UM, AND, UM, THAT LAST ONE, ANY REMAINING WORK WHERE, UM, EXPENDITURES ARE BEING USED TO SATISFY THEIR MINIMUM EXPENDITURES FOR REHABILITATION, UM, INCLUDING MECHANICAL PLUMBING AND ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS. UM, ALL THOSE TYPES OF WORK WOULD BE ELIGIBLE UNDER THIS, UNDER THIS PROGRAM.
I'M SORRY, NUMBER THREE, FOCUSING ON THEIR PROPERTY ON WHAT TO CONTRIBUTE.
AND IT GIVES INCENTIVES FOR A NEW BUILDING, NOT NEW, NOT NEW CONSTRUCTION TO REPLACE THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, BUT ANYTHING THAT ENHANCES THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE ADDED TO IT, ADDED TO IT, SAME STRUCTURE, RIGHT? SO IN THIS CASE, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GO TEAR DOWN THE BUILDING AND REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING ELSE AND GET THE BAILEY BILL.
UM, THEY WOULD HAVE TO, UM, KEEP WHAT'S THERE, WHICH IS WHAT'S IMPORTANT.
UM, AND IN A NEW CONSTRUCTION WITH MAKING IT MORE UP TO DATE, NOT THAT WOULDN'T CHANGE THE VALUE OF DESTRUCTION WHEN THEY DO THAT, IT WOULD CHANGE THE VALUE OF THE STRUCTURE.
NOT THE DOLLAR VALUE, BUT THE VALUE OF HAVING A COUNTRY THAT'S RIGHT.
OF DOES IT CHANGE? IT'S STILL A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
PART OF THAT IS THEY HAVE TO HAVE THAT COFA.
SO ANY WORK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO HAS TO BE APPROVED THROUGH THE HISTORICAL, THEY ARE DOING SOMETHING LIKE ADDING A DECK OR DID IT DID PART OF THE OVERALL CHARACTER OF THE PROPERTY.
WE'LL HAVE THAT REVIEW WHEN, OH, AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE A MOVING OF A STRUCTURE WE JUST DISCUSSED RECENTLY AND IT GOES ON SOMEONE'S PROPERTY, BUT, BUT IT'S KIND OF DOWN TO THE BONES ARE CONTRIBUTING, BUT THEY STILL GOT TO ADD A BATHROOM AND MAYBE A BEDROOM HPC AND STAFF TELLS HIM WHAT, WHAT ALL THAT THAT'S.
AND THEY CAN GET SOME KIND OF A TAX CREDIT BY ADDING THAT THAT'S RIGHT.
THAT THAT WOULD BE ADDED INTO THAT'S RIGHT.
THE QUESTION JUST SO ENOUGH IS THIS IS A WORKSHOP.
ARE YOU WANTING OUR COMMENTS ON FIVE TO 20? IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'D RATHER DO AT A FORMAL SESSION? WHAT ARE YOU WANTING FROM US ON EACH OF THESE, OTHER THAN US LISTENING AND UNDERSTANDING WE'VE, WE'VE SET IT UP THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY OF HOW MUCH WE CAN OFFER.
WE CAN DO A FIVE-YEAR, WE CAN DO A 20 YEAR.
WE CAN DO SOMETHING IN BETWEEN.
UM, WE LOOKED AT OTHER JURISDICTIONS THROUGHOUT SOUTH CAROLINA AND ALSO SOME OTHER AREAS.
UH, NOT NECESSARILY TONIGHT, BUT CERTAINLY BEFORE FIRST READING.
UM, SO WE CAN GET AN IDEA OF HOW TO ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, BUILD THE DOCUMENT.
I GOT A QUESTION ON THAT WHEN HE YELLS THE, GET ON A BULL BANG, UM, PREVIOUS BEAM, YOU GET UP TO 50%, THEY'RE YOUNGER PEOPLE NOW TAKING ON THESE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
I THINK, I THINK I, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT,
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BUT LET ME EXPLAIN WHY IS BECAUSE YOU SAW SOME OF THE TAX SAVINGS, FOR EXAMPLE, $770 FROM THE TOWN.WHEN YOU GET INTO ABATEMENT OF THESE RENOVATIONS, TO THESE HISTORIC STRUCTURES, AS WE ALREADY KNOW FROM GARVIN GARVEY AND WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH SQUARE POPE HOUSE, IT'S ENORMOUS.
SO THESE ARE SMALL SUMS IN A BIG, IN A BIG SEA OF THINGS.
SO I, AGAIN, I THINK IT'S THE TOOL.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE 20, BUT IF YOU GIVE IT TO THEM, YOU'VE GIVEN THEM A MORE OF AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAYBE BRING IN MORE INCOME OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
LET THEM DECIDE IF, IF THEY'D RATHER DO FIVE, 10 OR 20, MAYBE THEY'D RATHER DO, BECAUSE IF THEY SELL IT THAT GOES AWAY RIGHT.
OR NOT, DOES THE, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT.
WELL, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
UM, SO W WE'RE KIND OF SETTING IT UP TO HAVE THE OPTIONS OF IF YOU ARE IN THAT 22 TO 30 RANGE AT, AT FIVE YEARS.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE, THE 30 TO 50 RANGE AT 10 YEARS, AND THEN THE 50 50 RANGE FOR THE 20 YEARS.
UM, SO THERE WOULD BE OPTIONS, UM, THAT SOMEONE COULD CHOOSE.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO JUST KIND OF LET YOU KNOW THAT THE NEXT, THE NEXT ITEM THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT, THESE GRANT PROGRAMS, UM, THAT IT'S, THESE ARE, THESE ARE MULTIPLE TOOLS THAT CAN BE USED AND ALSO CAN BE USED IN CONJUNCTION WITH EACH OTHER.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE CONCERN IS LIKE, HOW, HOW ARE WE, LIKE, HOW ARE WE GOING TO HELP SOMEONE IMMEDIATELY? THAT'S WHAT HE'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT IN A SECOND.
SO WE HAVE A, A SHORT-TERM GRANT, SO TO SPEAK, AND THEN THIS IS THAT LONGTERM, UH, LIKE CONTINUATION THROUGHOUT THE LIFE OF IT.
SO I THINK THAT MIGHT HELP WITH SOME OF THAT, UM, THAT PORTION.
AND I DO HAVE AN, UM, SO I WAS ABLE TO RESEARCH REALLY QUICK AND FIND OUT THAT YES, THE BAILEY BILL DOES, UM, FOLLOW WITH THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, WELL, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO LOOK AND SEE BUFORD HAS BEEN DOING IT A LOT LONGER, AND WE ALL TALKED ABOUT AT THE SAME TIME AND THEY PASSED IT MUCH QUICKER.
I'M CURIOUS WHAT BUFORT IS DOING.
CURIOUS, WHAT IS ANOTHER CITY SET UP? UM, I'M JUST HOPE WE PASS IT.
I'M OPEN TO OPTIONS, BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD TOOL FOR ANYBODY AT LEAST TO SAY THEY CAN HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
WHEN LARRY DID, DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ARE YOU STILL JUST LISTENING? OKAY.
NOW WE'RE GOING TO SWITCH GEARS TO THE MORE, UM, I THINK FOR ME ANYWAY, THE MORE FUN STUFF.
UM, THIS IS THE PROPOSED GRANT PROGRAMS FOR THE TOWN.
UM, WE HAVE TWO PROGRAMS SET UP.
UM, WE HAVE A GRANT PROGRAM FOR COMMERCIAL, NONPROFIT, OR INSTITUTIONALLY OWNED PROPERTIES.
UM, THERE'S A, AN INITIAL FUNDING, UM, $200,000, WHICH COMES FROM A TAX MONEY.
UM, THAT PROGRAM REQUIRES A MATCH.
UM, AND, UH, WE'LL ALSO REQUIRE THE HPC TO REVIEW, GOES TO THE COFER PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING THE WORK THAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING AND NOT DOING SOMETHING THAT'S DETRIMENTAL TO THE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE.
UM, AND ALSO AT THE END OF THE PROCESS, ONCE EVERYTHING'S CERTIFIED, UM, THE TOWN WILL ACCEPT A PRESERVATION EASEMENT, WHICH WILL BE HELD IN PERPETUALLY.
UM, THE TOWN PRESUMABLY IS GOING TO BE MAKING AN, UM, POTENTIALLY A LARGE, UM, UM, PARCEL OF MONIES OUTLAID.
SO THIS IS A WAY TO, YOU KNOW, A GUARANTEE THAT THE WORK IS DONE RIGHT.
BUT ALSO GIVES THE TOWN SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN HANG ON TO FOR, FOR THE LIFE OF THE, UM, THE PROPERTY.
UM, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN IS THE BLUFFTON HISTORIC PROPERTY ASSISTANCE FUND.
MA'AM NO, YOU SAID COMMERCIAL ARE NON-PROFIT PROPERTY OWNERS, NON-PROFIT PROPERTY OWNERS THAT LIKE A HAYWARD HOUSE, WE'D BE LIKE, OKAY, OKAY.
SEARCH WITH THE CROSS WOULD FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY.
CAMPBELL LAKE ME WOULD FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY.
SO FOR THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE OF THE, OF THE COIN, UH, THE INITIAL FUNDING IS FOR $200,000.
UM, THIS IS A DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR REIMBURSEMENT OF THE COSTS.
SO THE IDEA WOULD BE, UM, THE HOMEOWNER, THE CONTRACTOR GETS THE WORK DONE.
UM, THE TOWN WOULD HA WOULD REIMBURSE FOR THOSE CALLS DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR.
AGAIN, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION IS INVOLVED IN THE REVIEW OF THE PROJECTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.
UM, AND AGAIN, AT THE END OF THE PROCESS THAT THE TOWN WOULD BE RECEIVING A PRESERVATION EASEMENT ON THE PROPERTY.
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THAT'S WHERE MY QUESTION CAME IN UNDER NUMBER FIVE.UM, IT TALKED ABOUT IT WILL BE AWARDED BASED ON INCOME AND NEED.
AND HAVE WE DETERMINED YET WHAT THAT INCOME WE HAVE NOT, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO TAKE GUIDANCE ON.
I DON'T, I PERSONALLY THINK IT'S GOING TO HURT SOME PEOPLE WHO REALLY NEED IT BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY MAKE, BUT THEY CAN'T AFFORD THIS THING.
I DON'T PREFER THE INCOME ON IT MAYBE, AND, OR BECAUSE THERE'S MORE NEED, MAYBE THERE'S NEED, BUT THEIR INCOME IS GOING TO KILL THEM SO WE CAN PUT INCOME AND, OR NEED TO GIVE SOME FLEXIBILITY.
UM, PART OF THE CONVERSATION WE HAD QUIT ENERGY, ALL FOR SOME REASON, UNLESS I KNOW IT'S ON IT, YOU PUSH THE BUTTON AND IT GOES, I LEARNED THAT THE HARD WAY.
UM, SO IF YOU W WE WERE TALKING ABOUT NEED, AND WE WERE TRYING THE INITIAL CATEGORY DEFINITION WE WERE LOOKING AT OR GUIDELINES WE WERE LOOKING AT WHERE IT'S TO LEAVE IT VAGUE AND ALLOW THAT TO BE AN INDIVIDUAL ASSESSMENT BASED ON, UM, WHETHER THEY CAUSE SOME OF IT MAY BE, CAN THEY, DO THEY HAVE THE INCOME OR SOME OF IT CAN BE, DO THEY HAVE A LIFE SITUATION? WHAT'S KEEPING THEM FROM BEING ABLE TO AFFORD TO DO THIS.
SO WE WERE LEAVING THAT DEFINITION KIND OF VAGUE AND LOOKING AT, MAKING IT MORE OF, AND I HATE TO SAY THIS BECAUSE YOU WANT IT TO BE OBJECTIVE, BUT TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE SUBJECTIVE BY STAFF, TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT EACH CIRCUMSTANCE INDIVIDUALLY AND DETERMINE WHAT THAT REQUIREMENT OR WHAT THAT, WHEN IT'S MET, UM, AND LEAVE IT MORE OPEN-ENDED TO SOMEBODY TO QUALIFY FOR THAT, BECAUSE EACH PERSON IS GOING TO HAVE A DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCE THAT MAY LOOK DIFFERENTLY ACROSS THESE HISTORICAL PROPERTIES AND HOW THEY'VE COME TO NEED ASSISTANCE IN RENOVATING THEM.
UM, CAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO GET EVERYTHING FROM HEIRS PROPERTY, ALL THE WAY UP TO SOMEBODY WHO'S BOUGHT PROPERTY FOR AN INVESTMENT.
AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, THERE'S DIFFERENT GUIDELINES IN THERE TO ALLOW FOR THAT FLOW.
SO THAT'S A STRUGGLE WE'RE WORKING WITH RIGHT NOW, BUT WE WANT TO TRY TO HAVE SOME OF THAT WORKED OUT AND, UM, WE WILL HAVE IT WORKED OUT BY THE FIRST READING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SOME, SOME GUIDELINES IN PLACE.
WE'RE ALSO GOING TO START SEEING OLDER.
AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A LOT IN HERE, CAUSE THAT'S MY QUESTION.
LIKE, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT 400 PROPERTIES WITH ABOUT 20 AND I DON'T, I'M STILL ON DAN'S PAGE OF HOW WE EVEN RANKED THESE, LIKE WHERE IS THE MOST NEED? AND YOU MAY HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO WORK ON THEIR HOUSE.
AND THEY WERE GIVEN THEIR HOUSE BY AN OLDER PERSON TO JOIN US WAS A GOOD EXAMPLE, MOTHERS, I DON'T WANT THE LOOP ANY CRACKS AT SOME OF THE ONES THAT WE REALLY WANT TO SEE THAT HAVE A PASSION TO DO IT FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS.
AND I ALSO LIKED THE, UM, A LINE OF THINKING WHERE YOU'RE GOING IN TERMS OF THE INDIVIDUAL APPROACH.
I WOULDN'T EVEN SAY LIKE IF WE COULD COME UP WITH SOME TYPE OF MAYBE TIERED APPROACH TO IT ALSO IN TERMS OF, UM, WE DO WANT IT TO, WE DO WANT TO ENCOURAGE THOSE WHO SEE RIGHT NOW THE, UM, THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE MAYBE AS A BURDEN ON THEIR PROPERTY BECAUSE ECONOMICALLY THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE THE MEANS AT ALL TO DO ANY TYPE OF RENOVATION.
AND SO IF WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE, UM, A YOUNGER GENERATION WHO'S DISCONNECTED RIGHT NOW FROM THAT, FOR THOSE FINANCIAL REASONS, UM, I THINK IT'D BE IMPORTANT TO NOT TAKE A ONE SIZE FITS ALL APPROACH TO IT, UM, BECAUSE WHERE THEY ARE OPPOSED TO SOMEONE WHO HAS MAY HAVE SEVERAL PROPERTIES AND IS, UM, YOU KNOW, HAS, UH, THE TIME TO RENOVATE THIS ONE, I DON'T WANT THEM TO BE, YOU KNOW, PLACED AT THE SAME MARKER AS SOMEONE WHO IS STRUGGLING EVEN TO KEEP UP WITH THE TAXES ON THE PROPERTIES BACK SPECIFIC AS ACTIVE FOR OBJECTIVE PROJECT STANDS ON ITS OWN.
I THINK WE HAD SOME LANGUAGE THAT WAS CLOSE, UM, AND TALKING WITH RICHARDSON LAST WEEK.
SO I THINK WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN AT LEAST HAMMER THROUGH ON FIRST READING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE END UP EXACTLY WITH WHAT TERRY IS SAYING AND WHAT COUNSEL'S ENVISIONING.
SO AGAIN, BACK TO WHAT MARY JUST SAID A MINUTE AGO IS EIGHT OF, BUT OF ALL THE UNITS THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE THOSE WHO THINK WE CAN SAVE EVERY SINGLE ONE AND GET INTO THE DOLLARS AND THE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY WERE GOING TO SUFFER, TRYING TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
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ANY LONGER.AND, UH, I FEEL LIKE AGAIN, MAYBE REPEATING MYSELF, I THINK THAT SOMETHING HAS TO BE BROUGHT FORWARD.
MAYBE WE'RE STAFF RANKS THE VALUE IN THEIR OPINION.
AND LIKE COUNCIL HAS SOME INPUT ON TOP OF THAT.
YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU DON'T WANT TO GO KNOCK DOWN THE HAYWARD HOUSE.
YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE AT THE TOP OF THE LIST AND NEAR THE TOP OF THE LIST.
AND MAYBE THERE'S SOMEBODY OVER HERE TO BRIDGET'S CONCERNED THAT HAS ABSOLUTELY NO MEANS WHATSOEVER.
EVEN WITH THE CRITERIA THAT WE'RE LAYING OUT TO TRY TO HELP PEOPLE TO PRESERVE AS MUCH HISTORY AS WE CAN.
MAYBE THEY'RE IN A BUILDING THAT IS A, IT WOULDN'T RANK ON A SCALE OF RATING SYMPTOMS, SIMILAR TO THE HAYWARD HOUSE OR THE SQUIRE POPE HOUSE.
SO I THINK WE HAVE TO BE A LITTLE MORE CREATIVE.
MAYBE THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE GOAL THAT Y'ALL ARE GOING TO, UH, BUT IT GIVES COUNSEL AND FUTURE COUNCILS THE OPPORTUNITY TO LISTEN TO THE CONSTITUENTS THAT HAVE A REAL TOUGH TIME TRYING TO DO SOMETHING AND THEN WE'RE GOING, WELL, MAYBE IT'S NOT A HOUSE.
IT WOULD, UH, I GO, I GO TO THE SARAH RALEIGH HOOKS HOUSE AND I KNOW I HAD PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO BUY IT WHEN IT WAS LISTED, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE NOT QUALIFY, YOU KNOW, NEED AND IN NONE OF THAT WOULD HAVE WORKED, BUT THEY WANTED, THEY BELIEVED IN THE HISTORY OF IT AND WOULD IT NEEDED SOME KIND OF HELP OR SOMEBODY COULD HAVE BOUGHT IT GONE THE SAME ROUTE AS WE SAW RECENTLY.
AND THEY ASKED FOR DEMOLITION, AND IF YOU HAVE A FAMILY THAT'S REMOVED FROM IT, BUT WE ALL KNOW HOW IMPORTANT SOME OF THESE ARE.
SO I'M, I'M REALLY WANNA RIDE AROUND.
AND EVEN WITH COUNCIL, SOME OF US TO LOOK AND GET Y'ALL'S IDEAS AND HEAR IDEAS AND LET'S FIND KIND OF A TIERED, I THINK YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I, I AGREE WITH DAN SEDIMENT THERE, AS FAR AS THE WAY WE HAVE TO SOMEHOW PRESERVE THE RIGHT TO, TO NOT MAKE SOMEONE DO SOMETHING, UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT'S COUNCIL VOTING ON IT OR WHATEVER, BUT THERE HAS TO BE FOR THOSE UNIQUE SITUATIONS WHERE PEOPLE COULD NOT AFFORD TO DO IT TO SAY THAT, OR IF YOU KNOW THE CONDITION THAT IT MAY BE IN MAY COST THREE TIMES AS MUCH TO REPAIR AS IT WOULD TO BUILD A BRAND NEW STRUCTURE.
AND, UM, I JUST WANT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULE NO MATTER WHAT WE MAKE THE RULE.
I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT, BUT WHICH GOES BACK TO THE POINT THAT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE ANY PREVIOUS MEETINGS THAT ALSO FIGURE OUT WHY WE WANT THEM TO CALL US TO DISTRIBUTE INSTRUCTION.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE I THINK IT ALL STARTS.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE OUR DEFINITION, UH, ANGLE, BECAUSE THE HOUSE IS 50 YEAR OLD.
BUT TAKING HIS THOUGHT, I GUESS WHAT WE, WHAT KEVIN WAS SAYING A MINUTE AGO, WHERE WERE GOING TO BRING IT DOWN FROM 10 CRITERIA DOWN TO FOUR, RIGHT.
AND YOU WILL TAKE THAT NEW FOUR CRITERIA AND YOU WILL LOOK APPLY THAT TO EVERY CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AT NODE.
NO, JUST NEW CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
THE OLD ONES WE ALL GET THEY'VE ALREADY, THEY'RE ALREADY CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF A STRUCTURE IS IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT FROM 1996, TODAY, IT'S ALREADY MET TWO OF THOSE CRITERIA UNDER THE NATIONAL REGISTER RULES BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THEY GOT ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER IN THE FIRST PLACE.
UM, SO IN LOOKING AT THE OTHER PART OF THE 82 CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES, UM, YOU KNOW, I CAN MAKE AN ARGUMENT THAT THEY WOULD MEET ONE OF THOSE.
UM, I WOULD JUST HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE HOMEWORK TO MAKE SURE THAT YES I CAN, BUT I BELIEVE I CAN MAKE ARGUMENTS FOR ALL, ALL OF THOSE, UM, UNDER THE NEW FOUR, UM, CRITERIA.
AND I THINK WE USE OUR PARTNERS ON AND WE'RE, WE JUST LIVED IT, YOU KNOW, AND, UM, WITH THE COUPLE OF OTHERS COMING IN THAT DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WERE CONTRIBUTING.
AND THERE'S BEEN SOME PEOPLE WITH HAYWARD HOUSE AND OTHERS THAT HAVE BROUGHT ABOUT
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THE STORIES.AND I'VE LEARNED A LOT, LIKE, I THINK WE'VE GOT TO LEARN WHAT ARE THE STORIES BEHIND 22? SO THERE'S REALLY NO STORY OTHER THAN IT'S 50 YEARS OLD, I'M 54.
SO WHEN THEY COME TO THE PROCESS OF DEMOLITION OR REMOVING IT, WE HAVE THAT BACKUP OF, WELL, WE S LESS EXPLAINED TO YOU WHY THIS SHOULD, RIGHT.
IT REALLY HAS NO SIGNIFICANCE.
THERE'S NO WHO LIVED THERE AND WHAT THEY DID TO MAKE BLOCKED IN WHAT IT IS.
AND I KNOW BRIDGET PROBABLY WOULD BRING IT UP.
SHE HAS SAID IT BEFORE ALL THIS NEEDS TO BE IN A REALLY EASY FOR DUMMIES BOOKLET ONLINE AND EVERYTHING WAS IT'S CONFUSING FOR ME, JUST IN THE BULLET POINT, HAVE SOMEONE THAT CAN HANDLE SOMEONE AND REALLY TALK TO EVERYONE ABOUT IT.
RIGHT? SO, AND TO TAG ONTO THAT, THAT'S PART OF THE CONVERSATION WE'VE HAD AS STAFF IS WHEN ALL OF THIS IS DONE.
IF COUNCIL APPROVES ALL OF IT, WE GET ALL THESE PLANS IN PLACE.
IT GOES FROM FEDERAL TO STATE AND DOWN, HOPEFULLY COUNTY, IF WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT AND US, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS REACHING OUT TO EACH OF THE 82 CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND LET THEM KNOW, HEY, THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE.
REACH OUT TO GLEN, HE'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THE PROCESS.
WE WILL DO, YOU KNOW, COME IN AND LET'S HAVE A CONVERSATION.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE STORY OF YOUR HOUSE.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS AND LET GLEN BE THAT POINT PERSON FOR THOSE 82 PROPERTIES THAT ARE WITHIN THAT NATIONAL, THAT SOUND, THAT CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE LIST.
SO WE'RE AS PART OF WHAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS, AS COMPLETE AS THIS IS, UH, PUT TOGETHER AS WELL.
STEPHEN, UM, YOU APPROACH THE COUNTY.
IT'S A THOUGHT, IT'S A SUGGESTION.
UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE MAYOR SAID A WHILE AGO, BUFORD HAS GOT A LOT OF HISTORY, YOU KNOW, PORT, ROYAL'S GOT SOME HISTORY.
SO THESE OTHER PARTNERS THAT YOU HAVE AT YOUR LEVEL OR OTHERS' LEVEL, UM, MAYBE THEY WANT TO GET ON THE SAME PLAYING FIELD WITH US TO APPROACH THE COUNTY TOGETHER.
UM, MAYBE LEND A LITTLE MORE WEIGHT TO THE TOPIC.
UH, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE ALL TRYING TO SAVE THE HISTORY OF BUFORD COUNTY, NOT JUST EACH OF OUR JURISDICTIONS.
AND SO THE COUNTY A BENEFICIARY FROM IT, JUST AS MUCH AS ANYBODY ELSE.
SO THE THOUGHT, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE ON OUR END, WE NEED TO DO A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH TO SEE WHAT THE COUNTY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE AWARE OF WHAT, BECAUSE THEY MAY ALREADY HAVE SOMETHING.
AND WE DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT THEY DON'T, BUT I AGREE.
WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK TO TAKE THAT TYPE TO THAT.
AND I HOPE WE CAN SHOW THIS TO ALL TO THE COUNTY AND ALL OF OUR TOWNS AS WELL.
I JUST SEE IF SOMEBODY REALLY HAS THE HEART AND THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE SOMETHING TOWARD NANA KNEW, YOU KNOW, ALL THE HISTORY TO GO AWAY, YOU HAVE MORE PRIDE IN HOME AND I'VE JUST GONE MENTALLY AROUND TOWN AND NOT TOO FAR FROM HERE.
THERE ARE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME MAINTENANCE REQUIRED DOWN THE ROAD.
THEY'VE LIVED IN THE HOUSE FOREVER.
UM, IT JUST DON'T GO DOWN THE PATH OF, OH GOSH, LET'S JUST TEAR IT DOWN.
AND I THINK WE DO HAVE TO TELL THEM THAT TOO, THERE IS A PROCESS TO REMOVE, UM, THIS IS, HERE'S A PROCESS THAT YOU CAN KEEP IT TO.
SO NOW, NOW SOMEBODY HAS TWO CHOICES AND NOT FEELING LIKE THEY'RE UP AGAINST THE WALL AND, YOU KNOW, RIGHT.
AND, UM, TO YOUR POINT, WHAT YOU MENTIONED, UM, YES.
I ALWAYS PREACH ABOUT THE USER-FRIENDLY STUFF ONLY BECAUSE IT MAKES IT EASIER TO DIGEST.
AND THEN ALSO, UM, WE ALWAYS WANT TO HAVE THAT AVOIDANCE OF MAKING PEOPLE FEEL SADDLED DOWN WITH SOMETHING AND THAT WE'RE ADDING LIKE ANOTHER LAYER OF BUREAUCRACY ON TO IT.
SO IT SO MUCH RED TAPE, YOU KNOW, WHAT DID, IT'S KIND OF LIKE, I JUST WANT TO BE DONE WITH IT.
WHAT, WHAT PROGRAMS OR INCENTIVES YOU HAVE, I'M JUST KIND OF OVER IT.
SO I THINK IF OUR APPROACH, YOU KNOW, MEETS THEM TO WHERE IT IS ADJUSTABLE AND, UM, THEY HAVE THE OPTION TO KIND OF PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THEY'RE BEING FORCED WITH TWO CHOICES, UM, MORE SO THAT THEY HAVE TWO CHOICES.
SO I ALSO WROTE, UM, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE EASEMENT AND THIS MIGHT ANSWER IT, BUT WHAT WILL THERE BE ANY ASSURANCE THAT ANYTHING WE GIVE THAT THE REPAIRS WILL BE COMPLETED? I GUESS THERE IS SOME PROTOCOL.
IF THEY GET MONEY FROM THE TOWN, IS IT PAY UPON RECEIPT? I MEAN, YEAH.
SO FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE OF THINGS, UM, THEY HAD THAT, THE PROJECT DONE TO GET THE REIMBURSEMENT.
SO THEY HAVE TO PAY AND A RECEIPT OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY DONE BEFORE? WELL, AND IN SOME JURISDICTIONS THEY REQUIRE
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THE CONTRACTORS RECEIPTS, THE PAID CONTRACTORS RECEIPTS.YOU WROTE THE CHECK, HERE'S THE CANCELED CHECK.
WE'LL GIVE YOU THE MONEY BACK TO PROVE THAT THE WORK'S DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION GOING AND SAYING, YES, WE SIGN OFF ON THIS.
IT'S NOT JUST THE CONTRACTOR WENT IN AND DID SOMETHING.
IT WAS ACTUALLY UP TO STANDARD.
AGAIN, THAT'S STILL A HARDSHIP BECAUSE THEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THE, WELL, HE SAID, THAT'S HOW IT WAS DONE.
MAYBE WE CAN, MAYBE WE CAN BE MORE FLEXIBLE.
OH, I MEAN, BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WORD, WELL, THE CONTRACTOR COULD GIVE THE RECEIPT TO THE TOWN.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THAT'S ON THAT CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.
WE COULD, WE COULD, WE CAN WE'LL WORK ON THE PROGRAM, THE LANGUAGE KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
AND INSTEAD OF MAKING IT TO WHERE THE PROPERTY OWNER IS PAYING THE CONTRACTOR, AND THEN WE'RE PAYING THE PROPERTY OWNER, WE'LL JUST BYPASS IN ESSENCE, THE PROPERTY OWNER.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO HAVE A BUDGET IN PLACE AHEAD OF TIME, AND THEN BASED ON WHAT FUNDING IS AVAILABLE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GO FROM THAT STEP.
AND THEN AS YOU KNOW, THE CONTRACTORS WORKING ON IT, WE ARE, WE ARE THEN JUST PAYING THE CONTRACTOR.
UH, LYRICA IS BUILDING A HOME.
THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE HARDSHIP GUIDELINES WE CAN PUT IN THERE.
I THINK THAT'S KINDA WHAT, THAT'S, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AND THAT'S WHAT WE CAN MAKE SURE TO INCLUDE IN THERE.
AND WE KNOW WE HAVE A BUILDER WITH A BUSINESS LICENSE.
I DO, BUT YOU WEREN'T HERE AND YOU WEREN'T HERE AND POOR CHRIS.
CHRIS GOT STRONG WITH BOTH OF US ON ONE INDIVIDUAL AND IT WAS JUST SO GREATLY APPRECIATED BECAUSE HE LIVED IN A HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
AND I DO WANT TO GIVE YOU A THANK YOU FOR SETTING THIS ALL EMOTION, BECAUSE YOU HAD A LOT ON YOUR SHOULDERS IN BEFORE.
SO THANK YOU FOR, FOR CHRIS LIVED IN A HISTORIC.
I LEARNED A LOT ABOUT CHRIS WHEN ETIQUETTE IS A UNIONVILLE CONNECTICUT, I'LL MOVE HERE BY
SO ARE WE AT THE END OF THIS? OH, I THOUGHT HE WAS WAITING.
SO THE ONLY THING I LEFT I TO, UM, LEAVE YOU WITH, UM, THESE ARE SOME OTHER PRESERVATION GRANTS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, T-MOBILE HAS A HOMETOWN GRANT PROGRAM.
UM, WE'RE CURRENTLY PUTTING TOGETHER AN APPLICATION FOR THE SQUARE POPE EMERGENCY STABILIZATION PLAN, UM, THROUGH THAT GRANT PROGRAM, UM, WHICH LOOKS LIKE A REALLY INTERESTING PROGRAM.
UM, NATIONAL TRUST HAS MANY PROGRAMS AVAILABLE TO NONPROFITS, PUBLIC AGENCIES.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, PRESERVATION, SOUTH CAROLINA HAS THEIR LOW COUNTRY PRESERVATION FUND, WHICH WE CAN TAP INTO FOR CERTAIN PROJECTS.
UM, THERE'S A, I JUST BECAME AWARE OF A NEW DATABASE.
THE NATIONAL PARK NATIONAL TRUST IS, UM, ADVERTISING, UM, FOR POTENTIAL GRANTS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
UM, WE'RE TALKING GRANTS, YOU KNOW, THEY SAY THERE'S 7,000 GRANTS AVAILABLE.
UM, SO THERE'S, THERE'S PLENTY OF MONEY OUT THERE, UM, THAT WE CAN TAP INTO FOR DIFFERENT PROJECTS, ALL CASE BY CASE.
UM, IN MY PERSONAL VIEW, THERE'S NO LOST CAUSE.
UM, SO JUST ME A LITTLE BIT HARDER TO FIND, BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK WE CAN FIND IT FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS AS WELL, OR THERE'S PRIVATE PROPERTIES, PUBLIC PROPERTIES, NONPROFIT PROPERTIES, ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT, UM, CRITERIA ALSO WITH OUR GRANT PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO THAT, UM, WE WOULD ALLOW FOR THE, THE DOUBLE DIPPING, SO TO SPEAK, MEANING THAT IF SOMEONE IS GOING FOR A FEDERAL OR STATE TYPE OF GRANT, THAT THEY COULD AS WELL GO WITH THE GRANT PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE.
UM, SO THAT WAY THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRYING, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THEM AS MUCH MONEY AS POSSIBLE, AND WE DON'T WANT TO PUT ANY, I MEAN, WE WANT TO PUT RESTRICTIONS IN THE SENSE OF, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE WORK IS BEING COMPLETED, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO PUT RESTRICTIONS, SAY YOU CAN'T USE THIS TO MATCH OTHER GRANT FUNDING.
OH, A GOOD LINK SOMEWHERE WITH ALL THAT, WHEN SHE GET INTO IT WOULD BE AWESOME BECAUSE I HAVE REALLY TRIED TO HELP PEOPLE OVER THE YEARS AND IT'S GONNA BE NICE TO HAVE A COACH WHO PLACE, RIGHT.
AND WHEN WE PUT TOGETHER THE FINAL HOMEOWNER PACKAGE OF HERE'S, WHAT YOU'RE
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ELIGIBLE FOR, HERE'S, WHAT'S OUT THERE.WE WILL INCLUDE ALL THAT INFORMATION SO THEY CAN GO AND THEY CAN INVESTIGATE ON THEIR OWN OR THEY CAN COME BACK TO US WITH QUESTIONS.
UM, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF RESOURCES OUT THERE.
WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING'S IN ONE PLACE FOR THEM.
UH, ARE THERE GRANTS THAT WOULD FUND, UM, LOCAL GOVERNMENT FOR, UM, BUT THIS SAME DESIRE TO SAY, OKAY, BUT WE WANT TO, WE WANT, WE WANT TO BANK ON THIS.
WE WANT TO HAVE IT IN OUR BANK.
AND, AND WAS IT FOR HISTORICAL PRESERVATION WHERE THERE BANKS THAT WERE JUST, WE CAN SAY, OKAY, NOW WE KNOW WE'VE GOT FULL MILLION DOLLARS SITTING HERE TO PRESERVE ALL OUR HISTORIC, RIGHT.
SO I HAVEN'T FOUND A GRANT YET FOR A, A TOWN OR A MUNICIPALITY.
UH, I'M STILL LOOKING FOR THAT.
UM, BUT UM, FOR THE PRIVATE HOMEOWNER OR THE BUSINESS OWNER, THERE'S LOTS OF GRANTS.
I HAVEN'T FOUND ONE YET FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR SOMEONE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON TO BE ABLE TO USE, TO BUILD A PROGRAM.
THE REASON I ASKED IF YOU WERE AT THE END OF YOUR PROGRAM, AND I AM ASSUMING YOU ARE TO SEE THE DATES ON HERE.
UM, AND I LIKED YOUR COMMENT A MINUTE AGO ABOUT NO LOSS CALLS.
I MEAN, WE ALL FEEL THAT WAY UP HERE, SITTING HERE, WE'D LIKE TO SAVE EVERY THING AND IF HUMANLY POSSIBLE, WE WILL WORK THAT DIRECTION.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO TAKE THE TIME, YOU KNOW, WHEN STAFF HEATHER AND ALL Y'ALL AND KEVIN, EVERYBODY THAT WAS INVOLVED FIRST CAME TO COUNCIL HERE.
I DON'T KNOW SOME, SOME WEEKS BACK MONTHS BACK, UM, THIS IS WHEN THE SYSTEM IS WORKING.
I FEEL REALLY GOOD ABOUT WHAT I'M SEEING TONIGHT.
I FEEL FAT, UH, FANTASTIC ABOUT THE EFFORT THAT STAFF HAS PLACED INTO THIS.
YOU'VE CERTAINLY GOT WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO CONVEY, AND YOU'VE GIVEN US FAR MORE TOOLS IN THE TOOLBOX AND, UH, IT MAKES IT BETTER FOR ALL OF US, ESPECIALLY THE TRY TO KEEP OUR HISTORY HERE AND THE FOLKS THAT ARE LOOKING FOR A WAY TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING THAT JUST FINANCIALLY CAN'T.
SO I'M REALLY PROUD OF THE PROCESS THAT WE ALL WENT THROUGH.
UM, I WAS ALMOST IN THE SAME, UH, THOUGHT PROCESS THAT AFTER HAVE TO GET ENERGIZED AND PASSIONATE ABOUT TRYING TO BUILD THE DESIRE AS A COUNCIL.
THAT'S WHEN I FEEL LIKE I WANT TO RUN A BIG COUNCIL AGAIN.
THIS IS, UM, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED, WE NEED TO HAVE.
YOU MIGHT'VE HEARD ME SAY IT IN A FEW OTHER PLACES THAT STAFF AND COUNCIL HAS TO BE ON THE SAME ON THE SAME PAGE.
YOU'VE GOT TO WORK TOGETHER AND KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR VISION AND, AND OUR PURPOSE LINING UP STAFF IS NOT A HEAD OF COUNSELING COUNSELORS.
SO IN THESE ITEMS, THE NEXT STEPS ARE GOING TO BE ON NOVEMBER 9TH.
YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE FIRST READING OF THE BAILEY BILL AT TOWN COUNCIL.
UM, SECOND MEETING WILL BE AT THE DECEMBER 14TH MEETING, UM, AT THE SAME MEETING, THERE'LL BE A RESOLUTION REGARDING THE GRANT PROGRAMS, UM, FOR YOU TO, UM, TO TAKE A LOOK AT AS WELL.
AND THEN JUST TO, JUST TO, UH, KIND OF FINAL SUMMARY HERE IS, UM, WE HAVE THOSE, YOU EDITS FOR THE RECOMMENDATION GOING TO PLANNING COMMISSION, AS YOU CAN SEE IN NOVEMBER WHAT I JUST SAID, THE BAILEY BILL AND THE UTO AMENDMENTS, AND THEN IN THE, ON THE 14TH OF DECEMBER IS THE PRESENTATION OF THE SURVEY, THE BAILEY BAIL, SECOND UDL AMENDMENT, SECOND READINGS, AND THEN THE RESOLUTIONS FOR THE RESOURCE SURVEY THAT CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES MAP AND IN THE PRESERVATION, UM, GRANT PROGRAMS. AND WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE A PRESENTATION OF THAT GRANT PROGRAM, UH, FOR YOU, ARE YOU AS A COURTESY SENDING TO, UM, LETTING HPC KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING? WE WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN INFORMING THEM ALONG THE WAY.
SO, UH, BEFORE WE WRAP UP, UM, WE DID HAVE A CONVERSATION IN PREPARATION FOR THIS MEETING TODAY.
UM, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, AND IT'S NOT ON HERE, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE IT OUT IS WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, LAST YEAR IN THE BUDGET, THERE WAS SET ASIDE, I BELIEVE, IS IT A HUNDRED THOUSAND FOR REFORESTATION AND TREAT ME, UM, AND TREE REMEDIATION.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE GUIDELINES AND PRINCIPLES ARE FOR THAT.
AND MAYBE LOOK AT THE POTENTIAL
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OF EXPANDING THAT INTO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AS WELL.SO LIKE IF THERE'S TREES THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED, THAT WE HAVE FUNDING TO REPLACE TREES THAT ARE DYING OR IN DISREPAIR OR DYING, OR, OR IF THEY FALL DURING A HURRICANE OR WHATEVER, THAT WE CAN REPLACE THEM WITH TREES THAT WE WANT TO BE THERE, NOT JUST LET THEM GO.
SO THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS WELL THAT MAY COME, BUT WE'VE GOT TO GET ALL THOSE IN PLACE THAT WE WANTED TO GET THE PRIMARY ONES FOR THE PROPERTIES IN PLACE BEFORE WE TACKLE SOME OF THESE OTHER RANDOM THINGS AS WELL.
SO YOU'LL SEE THOSE COMING WELCOME.
[4. EXECUTIVE SESSION]
SESSION.THERE ARE TWO ITEMS DISCUSSION RELATED TO PERSONNEL MATTERS REGARDING THE BLUFF POLICE DEPARTMENT AT FOUR YOU'RE AT 34, 70 81.
AND CONTRACTUAL MATTERS REGARDING TOWN OF BLUFFTON AND BEAVER COUNTY FOR YA AT 34 78 2, YOUR SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION I MISSED Y'ALL TUESDAY, BUT Y'ALL DID AWESOME BECAUSE THE COUNCIL MEETING WE'VE HAD YET YOU BEAT LARRY
SARAH MOTION TO MOVE OUT OF EXECUTIVES.