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THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION FOR START PRESERVATION COMMISSION WILL NOT HEAR NEWS ITEMS AFTER 9:30 PM, UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS, PRESENT ITEMS, WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD BY 9:30 PM MAY BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT OR AN ADDITIONAL MEETING DATE AS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS, EVERY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO IS RECOGNIZED TO SPEAK, SHE'LL ADDRESS THE CHAIRMAN.AND IN SPEAKING, AVOID DISRESPECT TO THE COMMISSION ON STAFF AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE MEETING.
UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
WHEN SPEAKING FOR THE RECORD, COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES, ELENA, I'M GOING TO INTERRUPT YOU AND GET ROLL
[II. ROLL CALL]
CALL GUN REAL QUICK.THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT I WAS DOING THE CALL TO ORDER AND THEN THAT, BUT NOW I SEE IT'S OKAY.
WHEN THEY CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE STAYED HERE.
BRUCE TREMPER, ELAINE GALLAGHER ADAMS HERE, JESSE SOLOMON, JOSH SIMPSON, CARRIE SMELTER, MARY VOX, BELL, MICHAEL LOVECCHIO.
THESE ARE SLIGHTLY NUMBERED DIFFERENTLY.
[V. ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA]
OF THE AGENDA.I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE AGENDA AS WRITTEN FAVOR OF ACCEPTING THE VENDOR FOR TONIGHT.
SAY I I'M NOW REALIZING HOW LITTLE I ACTUALLY PAY ATTENTION.
UM, UH, ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES FROM LAST
[VI. ADOPTION OF MINUTES]
MONTH'S MEETING.FIRST OF ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE MINUTES, ANY AND AS WRITTEN SECOND, THOSE IN FAVOR SAY, AYE, THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE COMMENTS PERTAINING TO AN AGENDA ITEM BEFORE THE COMMISSION THIS EVENING, YOU WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT BEFORE THE COMMISSION VOTES ON THE ITEM.
YOU'RE WELCOME TO HOLD YOUR COMMENTS UNTIL THEN, OR VOICE YOUR COMMENT AT THAT TIME.
[VIII. OLD BUSINESS]
YOU BUSINESS,[IX.1. Certificate of Appropriateness - Demolition: A request by Joe Fraser III, on behalf of the owners, CEH Real Estate Bluffton, LLC, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness -HD Demolition to allow the demolition of a 546 SF wood frame garage located at 1288 May River Road in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood Core - HD. (COFA-08-21-015715)(Staff- Katie Peterson)]
UM, NEW BUSINESS OFF WHAT YOU SPEAK INTO THE MIC.IF YOU HAVE COMMENT RELATING TO THE APPLICATION.
OKAY, BUT THAT IS JUST FINE AS WELL.
AS MY DAD USED TO SAY BEFORE US, WE HAVE TWO APPLICATIONS.
THE FIRST OF THE TWO APPLICATIONS IS THE REQUEST BY JOE FRAZIER ON BEHALF OF CE H REAL ESTATE, BLUFFTON LLC, FOR APPROVAL OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS DEMOLITION TO ALLOW A 546 SQUARE FOOT WOOD-FRAME GARAGE LOCATED AT 1288 MAY RIVER ROAD IN THE OLD TOWN, BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT DEMOLISHED.
IT IS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CORE H D HERE.
UM, THIS IS THE PROPERTY OUT MIND IN BALLOU.
UM, PROMINENT STREET FOR YOUR REFERENCES HERE, DR.
MELLAH CHAMP ACROSS THE TOP OF THE STREET WITH BAY RIVER OR HIGHWAY 46 AT THE BOTTOM OF THE STREET.
SO THIS IS THE FOUR WAY STOP HERE.
IT IS LOCATED IN THE CARDINAL ZONING DISTRICT HERE, WHICH IS THAT NEIGHBORHOOD CORE HD ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, TONIGHT THE APPLICATION IS THE SURVEY FOR THE SITE IS HERE.
SO YOU CAN SEE, AGAIN, THIS IS MAY RIVER ROAD RUNNING THROUGH THE MIDDLE AND THEY HAVE IT HIGHLIGHTED ON THE SCREEN HERE.
THIS IS NOT THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, WHICH IS THE STRUCTURE THAT IS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET I HAVE LABELED ON HERE, UM, ON EITHER SIDE, TWO DIFFERENT PARCELS THOUGH ARE TWO CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
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WITH CALHOUN STREET RUNNING HERE AND THE RED DOT BUILDING, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH ON THIS CORNER HERE.SO THIS STRUCTURE IS LOCATED WELL BEHIND THOSE STRUCTURES AS WELL AS WELL BEHIND THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE ON THAT CENTRAL PARCEL EXISTING CONDITIONS FOR THE, UM, COBURN GARAGE IS, UM, ARE SHOWN ON THE SCREEN HERE.
SO THIS IS A BUNCH OF PHOTOS OF IT, UM, BECAUSE IT IS VERY CHALLENGING TO GET IN THERE AND GET PHOTOS OF IT WITHOUT TREES BEING IN THE WAY.
UM, MR. FRAZIER PROVIDED A GREAT SELECTION OF THEM FOR US.
HOWEVER, THERE'S NEVER GOING TO BE, UH, A SHOT WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE ENTIRETY OF THE STRUCTURE.
UM, SO HERE ARE SOME OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
SO IF YOU WERE TO BE LOOKING AT THE FRONT OF IT, AND THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE AGAIN, THIS IS NOT VISIBLE FROM MAY RIVER ROAD.
SO, UM, YOU WOULD BE BETWEEN THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND THE CARRIAGE HOUSE.
WHEN YOU SAW THIS ELEVATION, THE INTERIOR THAT YOU CAN SEE, IT'S A BLOCK BUILDING WITH WOOD FRAMING AND THE ROOF STRUCTURE HERE, THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT STRUCTURE INSIDE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THIS EVEN BETTER WITH THE CINDERBLOCK HERE.
THERE'S ONE SMALL WINDOW HERE.
YOU CAN SEE THE OPEN RAFTERS WITH REAR OF THE STRUCTURE.
YOU CAN SEE THE GABLE OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE RIGHT THERE BEYOND RIGHT SIDE.
UM, SO THE ONLY ELEVATIONS THAT HAVE ANY FENESTRATION ON ARE THE LEFT SIDE, WHICH HAS THE SINGLE WINDOW AND THE MAN DOOR, YOU CAN SEE HERE AS WELL AS THE, I CAN FLIP TO IT ENTRY SIDE, WHICH HAS THE LARGER, UM, I GUESS THEY'RE TECHNICALLY FRENCH DOORS THAT OPEN UP TO ALLOW A LARGER VEHICLE TO GO IN.
UM, THE STAFF REPORT THAT YOU HAVE ALL RECEIVED VIA EMAIL AND IS IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT, LAYS OUT THOSE CONDITIONS, WHICH ARE FOUND IN SECTION THREE POINT 18.3 OF OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE FOR ASSESSING A, AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
UM, TONIGHT WE HAVE MR. FRAZIER HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICATION.
IT IS THE HPCS JOB TO REVIEW THOSE CRITERIA AND, UM, TAKE ACTION AS THEY FEEL APPROPRIATE, THEY CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
UM, TOWN STAFF FINDS THAT IT DOES MEET THEIR CRITERIA IN THREE 18 AND THAT THE COMMISSION MAKE, UM, TAKE ACTION AS THEY SEE APPROPRIATE.
AND I HAVE SOME SUGGESTED MOTIONS HERE, UM, FOR IF IT DOES, DOES WITH CONDITION OR DOES NOT MEET THE CRITERIA, WHICH ARE FOUND IN SECTION 3 18, 3 OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.
UM, AGAIN, I JUST REPEAT FOR THE RECORD THAT THIS IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
AND SO, UM, MANY OF THE CRITERIA FOUND IN SECTION THREE, 18 OR THREE.
I'VE GOT A TYPO ALL THROUGHOUT THE SUGGESTED MOTION.
SO WHEN YOU MAKE THAT, IF YOU COULD NOT SAY 3 13, 3, BUT RATHER 3 18, 3, UM, MANY OF THOSE CRITERIA ARE NOT APPLICABLE.
I'VE GOT THEM PULLED UP HERE JUST FOR SO CONSISTENCY WITH THE SECRETARY, FOR HISTORIC BUILDINGS, UM, CONSISTENCY WITH THE OLD TOWN MASTER PLAN, WHICH THAT ONE IS APPLICABLE.
UM, HOWEVER, AS IT IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, THE DEMOLITION OF IT, UM, HAS NOT BEEN DEEMED AS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE TO THE HISTORIC.
WE DID REACH OUT TO THE FIVE PRESERVATION GROUPS ON BOTH OF THESE APPLICATIONS TONIGHT AND DID NOT RECEIVE COMMENT ON ANY OF THOSE.
UM, BESIDES WORD BACK FROM HISTORIC, I'M SORRY, THE, UM, PALMETTO BLUFF CONSERVANCY AND THE BLUFFTON TOWNSHIP, BLACK HISTORY, HISTORICAL PRESERVATION SOCIETY WHO DID NOT HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE APPLICATION AND DID NOT OBJECT TO ITS REMOVAL FROM WHAT THE DESIGN STANDARDS ARE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, RATHER THAN FOR DEMOLITION.
SO IT'S NOT APPLICABLE THE NATURE AND CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY.
IT'S GENERALLY NOT APPLICABLE TO, UM, THIS APPLICATION, THE PRESERVATION OF THE BUILDING'S HISTORIC CHARACTER.
AGAIN, IT IS NOT A, UM, CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
SO IT IS, IT IS A STRUCTURE THAT, UM, HAS NOT BEEN DEEMED TO HAVE HISTORIC CHARACTER BY THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON AT THIS TIME.
AND THEN AGAIN, THE, UM, IT WOULD NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC
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INTEREST.SO IT HAS NOT BEEN ADDED TO THE HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY AS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE STRUCTURE OR THE APPLICANT.
I LOVE MY, WHEN THIS WAS BUILT, UH, THIS STRUCTURE WAS BUILT IN READING IT.
NOW, I CAN'T REMEMBER ACCORDING TO THE TAX RECORDS, WHICH, UM, ARE AS ACCURATE AS WE CAN GET WITH THIS STRUCTURE.
IT WAS BUILT IN 1950, JUST FOR THE RECORD.
I FIGURED IT WASN'T WATER POLO.
UM, WHILE I SAY NO, THAT IS KIND OF A COMPLICATED QUESTION.
IT DOES NOT DEFAULT TO 1950, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES IT DEFAULTS TO 1776.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, WHEN THEY DO NOT KNOW EXACTLY, I FIND THAT THEY DO PUT A NUMBER IN THERE AND THAT NUMBER IS SOMETIMES A VERY ROUGH ESTIMATE.
UM, IT WAS A VERY ROUGH ESTIMATE.
THAT'S THAT IS ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE.
YES, IT WAS, UM, ADDED AS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO THE BUFORD COUNTY TAX RECORDS.
SO AT LEAST IN THE TIME THAT IT HAS BEEN LISTED THERE, IT'S BEEN, UH, AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE FOR AGGRESSION.
HAVE YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE? I'M SORRY, MR. PAGE.
I KNOW WE'VE GOT YOU MOVING NOW, BUT SO THAT IT'S HEARD BY ANYBODY WHO'S LISTENING TO THE RECORDING LATER.
THEY HAVE NOT, UH, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN SUBMITTED FOR THEIRS.
THERE HAS NOT BEEN A DEMOLITION PERMIT SUBMITTED YET BECAUSE ONE CANNOT BE SUBMITTED UNTIL CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATELY APPROVED.
HOWEVER, IT DOES HAVE TO GO THROUGH BUILDING SAFETY, UM, AND STAFF TAKES A LOOK AT IT AT THAT TIME TO ENSURE THAT IT'S DONE IN A SYMPATHETIC MANNER TO THE EXISTING SITE OF EMOTION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION.
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AND JUST TO CLARIFY, MIKE, DID YOU ABSTAIN SINCE YOU MISSED? PERFECT.UM, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE JUST A QUICK BREAK FOR TECHNICAL TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES.
THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT IN THE IT ROOM, THE IT DOMAIN OVER THERE.
UM, SO JUST IF YOU COULD BEAR WITH US FOR JUST A MOMENT, SORRY.
[IX.2. Certificate of Appropriateness - Demolition: A request by Joe Fraser III, on behalf of the owners, CEH Real Estate Bluffton, LLC, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness -HD Demolition to allow the demolition of a non-contributing concrete block single family home, wood frame garage, and wood frame shed located at 1289 May River Road, identified by Beaufort County Tax Map Number R610 039 00A 0019 0000, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood Core - HD. (COFA-08-21-015716)(Staff- Katie Peterson)]
WE HAVE BEFORE US TONIGHT IS A REQUEST TO ALLOW THE DEMOLITION OF, UM, A NON-CONTRIBUTING CONCRETE BLOCK, SINGLE FAMILY, HOME WOOD-FRAMED GARAGE AND WOOD FRAME SHED STRUCTURE, ALL LOCATED AT 1289 MAY RIVER ROAD.UM, IT IS IN THE OLD TOWN BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND IT IS ZONED THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FOUR AGAIN.
SO THIS PARCEL IS THE ONE WE DISCUSSED A MOMENT AGO, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
AND THEN THIS IS THE PARCEL THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING NOW.
UM, YOU'LL NOTE THAT THIS PARCEL DOES RUN ALL THE WAY FROM MAY RIVER ROAD TO DR.
UM, HOWEVER, THE MUD STRUCTURES ARE LOCATED IN THE FRONT HALF HERE, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT A LITTLE BIT THERE ON THE SITE PLAN, BUT HERE IT IS AGAIN IN THAT RED COLOR, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD CORE ZONING DISTRICT, THE THREE STRUCTURES.
UM, SO THE LITTLE GARAGE THAT WAS JUST REVIEWED IS RIGHT HERE.
HERE'S YOUR RED DOT HERE'S MAY RIVER ROAD.
AND THEN THIS IS THE, UM, SHED HOUSE AND GARAGE.
UM, AND I'VE REFERRED TO HIM AS SHED HOUSE AND GARAGE THROUGHOUT BECAUSE IT'S EASIER THAN LISTING OUT THE ENTIRE NAME THERE.
UM, AND THEN THE SECOND PAGE OF THAT SURVEY SHOWS THE GARAGE AGAIN, JUST WITH THE OTHER HALF OF IT.
SO THIS IS THE, UM, THE MATCH LINE HERE.
OOPS, THAT FALLS UNDER THAT HOUSE TECHNICALLY.
SO IT IS VISIBLE ON BOTH SHEETS, BUT IT IS THE SAME STRUCTURE ACCESSED.
UH, ORIGINALLY THERE IS ACTUALLY A CURB CUT ON MAY RIVER ROAD.
UM, AND IF YOU WALK DOWN MAIN RIVER ROAD, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT AS YOU WALK PAST THE PROMENADE.
THERE'S A SECOND LITTLE CURB CUT IN HERE.
UM, I WANT TO DRIVE DOWN THERE.
I REMEMBER THAT THERE'S ALSO THE ACCESS THAT IS FOR THE BACK OF THE GOATEE ROAD SUBDIVISION, UM, WHICH IS THAT LONG, LONG SUBDIVISION OF THE VERY NARROW AND DEEP LOTS THAT RUN DOWN THE WHOLE LENGTH THERE.
SO THE EXISTING CONSTRUCTION CONDITIONS OF THIS STRUCTURE, UM, THIS IS THE RED HOUSE.
I'VE DONE IT BY SIZE, I THINK RATHER THAN BY NECESSARILY WALKING BACK THE LOT.
UM, SO THIS IS THE MIDDLE STRUCTURE OF THOSE THREE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT HAS IN SOME THINGS OVER THE YEARS.
UM, SO THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS PORTION OF THE ROOF IS WHERE IT'S BEEN CAVED IN.
UM, THERE'S A REFRIGERATOR RIGHT HERE THAT YOU CAN SEE LEANING OVER.
AND THEN THIS IS THE REAR OF THE HOUSE.
THIS IS THE SHED ADDITION, THAT'S TO THE REAR THAT I SPOKE OF IN THE STAFF REPORT.
UM, SO THERE ARE THE TWO OVER TWO WINDOWS, AND THEN THERE'S THE HORIZONTAL LIGHT WINDOWS THAT I MENTIONED IN THE STAFF REPORT AS WELL.
UM, SO THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT FUNKY, BUT THEY ARE AT THE REAR.
THEY'RE JUST ON THAT ONE PORTION OF THE HOUSE.
THIS IS THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
UM, AND THEN WE GO INTO THE SHED.
SO THIS IS THE CONDITIONS OF THE SHED, UM, IS THE FRONT AND LEFT.
SO THIS IS THE FRONT FACING NEIGHBOR ROAD, THE LEFT SIDE HERE, THE SUITCASE FOR SCALE, I COULD NOT CONFIRM IF THIS IS FDA APPROVED FOR CARRY ON, OR IF IT HAS TO BE CHECKED, HOWEVER, THIS IS THE FRONT END LEFT THERE, THEN THAT'S KIND OF SPEAKING IN IT, KIND OF THAT METAL DECIDING.
UM, AND THEN THIS IS THE RIGHT SIDE.
IT'S IN A LITTLE BIT BETTER SHAPE.
AND THEN THIS IS THE GARAGE STRUCTURE, WHICH IS THE FURTHEST OF THE STRUCTURE IS BACK ON THE LOT.
AND SO IT DOES HAVE A TWO CART TO BAY ENTRY HERE.
UM, THIS IS THE LEFT SIDE OF IT.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THE ROOF IS AT, UM, ODD ANGLE.
IT'S CAVED IN ON PORTION OF IT.
THIS IS THE LEFT SIDE, THE REAR, WHICH IS IN THE BEST SHAPE OF ALL OF THEM.
AND THEN THE RIGHT SIDE OF IT, WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE A TREE HAS COME THROUGH THAT ROOF.
AND THAT'S WHERE THAT STRANGE ANGLE COMES FROM ON THE FRONT ELEVATION APPLICATION IS REVIEWED BY THE SAME CRITERIA AS THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION FOUND IN SECTION 3 18, 3 OF OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.
UM, AGAIN, MR. FRAZIER IS HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THIS APPLICATION AND STAFF CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
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IF THEY FIND THE CRITERIA IN SECTION 3, 18, 3 ARE NOT MET.UM, I CAN SCROLL THROUGH, UH, ANY PHOTOS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE CLOSER QUESTIONS.
DOES ANYONE KNOW WHEN THIS HOME WAS LAST OCCUPIED? LET ME JUST CURIOSITY WORK STANDPOINT HAS NOT BEEN OCCUPIED SINCE I'VE WORKED FOR THE TOWN, BUT THAT'S ONLY BEEN SEVEN YEARS.
UM, THE SHED HAS NOT EVEN BEEN IDENTIFIED ON THE BUFORD COUNTY TAX RECORDS.
HOWEVER, THE GARAGE IDENTIFIED AS 1983 AND THE SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE WAS 1954, IS WHAT THEY'VE IDENTIFIED THOSE AS, UM, THE HOUSE OR THE HOUSE IS NOT CONSIDERED A CONTRIBUTING.
EVEN THE FACT THAT NONE OF THESE STRUCTURES ARE REGISTERED AS CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND SALVAGED WE'RE OFFERING ANY CONTRIBUTION TO, FOR PRESERVATION OF OUR, UM, OUR TOWN.
I AGREE IN THE MATERIALS, CMU EXPOSED CMU BLOCK, AND THEN DEFINITELY NOT THE GARAGE AND THE SHIT, UM, LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THIS WAS FOR DEMOLITION OF THESE THREE STRUCTURES ON THE AFOREMENTIONED ADDRESS AND CERTIFICATE FOR APPLICATION BE APPROVED AS I SECOND.
HI, HOW MUCH, UM, THE ONE THING THAT WE JUST MENTIONED OUT LOUD EVERY TIME IS THAT, UM, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DOES LIKE TO BE CONTACTED IF THERE'S ANY CHANCE THAT THEY COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THESE, MAYBE USE THEM FOR TRAINING PURPOSES.
I KNOW RICHARD SPRUCE, WHEN YOU GO FOR YOUR BUILDING PERMIT, WE'LL MAKE THE SAME COMMENT.
IF THERE ARE ANY MATERIALS THAT YOU FEEL ARE WORTH SAVING, UM, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO LET US KNOW WHAT THOSE MIGHT BE.
AND WE CAN PUT YOU IN TOUCH WITH SOMEBODY WHO MIGHT BE ABLE TO, UM, DO YOU USE THEM IF NOT, THAT IS ALSO OKAY.
UM, AND THEN THE FINAL THING IS THAT DOUG CORCORAN, IF YOU, IF YOU BRUSH HOG THE SITE, ANY, UM, AND ARE ABLE TO EITHER GET PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE FRONT OF IT OR IT IS ACCESSIBLE, UM, HE SAID HE WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THEM TO SEE IF THEY'RE WORTH PAINTING, BUT THAT IS JUST A REQUEST.
IT IS NOT A, UM, A MANDATE BY ANY MEANS.
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT VERY MUCH.
[X. DISCUSSION]
UM, DISCUSSION, IS THAT WHAT THIS IS? UM, EXCUSE ME.THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA REALLY IS FOR INFORMATION AND DISCUSSION.
IF YOU'D LIKE, UM, STAFF WOULD LIKE TO LET YOU THE COMMISSION KNOW THAT ON OCTOBER 19TH, WE ARE HOLDING A WORKSHOP WITH TOWN COUNCIL TO DISCUSS, UH, SEVERAL PRESERVATION RELATED ITEMS THAT ARE, UM, INITIATIVES WITHIN OUR TOWN'S STRATEGIC PLAN.
AND WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO TONIGHT IS GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW.
AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT ANY OF THEM, UM, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO SHARE MORE INFORMATION.
UM, THE FIRST ITEM, UH, WOULD BE THE, UH, STATUS OF THE HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY THAT WAS UNDERTAKEN TWO YEARS AGO.
WE ARE WORKING ON FINALIZING THAT, AND GLEN WILL PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION.
GLEN IS ALSO WORKING ON, UH, PRESERVATION INCENTIVES, FINANCIAL INCENTIVES.
UH, WE ARE HOPING TO ESTABLISH A GRANT PROGRAM AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN FINALLY, RELATED TO BOTH THE SURVEY AND THE GRANT PROGRAM ARE, UH, AMENDMENTS TO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.
AS YOU RECALL, LAST MEETING, WE TALKED ABOUT SOME TERMS THAT NEEDED TO BE UPDATED AND DEFINITIONS, AND THAT DOES RELATE TO THE ADOPTION OR THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD
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A PROACTIVE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE, BASICALLY A DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT ORDINANCE.UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT SOME STRUCTURES AROUND TOWN THAT, UH, REALLY ARE IN A SHAPE THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO INTERVENE.
WE WANT TO WORK WITH PROPERTY OWNERS TO BE ABLE TO, UM, STABILIZE THOSE BUILDINGS AND PERHAPS GET THEM BACK INTO A STATE THAT THEY CAN BE OCCUPIED.
SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT AND WE'LL DISCUSS THAT WITH TOWN COUNCIL.
UM, ADDITIONALLY AT A WORKSHOP THAT WE HELD LAST YEAR TOWN COUNCIL, BUT ALSO LIKE US TO LOOK AT, UM, THE DESIGNATION CRITERIA FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF REDUNDANCY, A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, A LOT OF CRITERIA PROBABLY DON'T NEED, UM, QUITE THAT MANY, BUT, UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT REVISING THAT AS WELL.
UM, IT'LL PROBABLY BE MORE IN LINE OF WHAT, UH, IS REQUIRED BY THE NATIONAL PARKS SERVICE.
UM, SO WITH THAT, LET ME TURN IT OVER TO GLEN AND HE'LL TALK ABOUT THE HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY.
SO AS YOU KNOW, THE HISTORIC RESEARCH SURVEY WAS STARTED, UM, 2018.
UM, WE RECEIVED A FINAL DOCUMENT BACK IN 2019.
UM, THE ONLY THING THAT'S LEFT AHEAD OF THE PROJECT IS OUR CONSULTANTS BROCKINGTON AND ASSOCIATES ARE GOING TO BE SPEAKING TO TOWN COUNCIL AT THEIR REGULAR TOWN MEETING TOWN COUNCIL MEETING IN NOVEMBER, UM, TO OFFER THEIR FINDINGS OF WHAT THEY, WHAT THE SURVEY PRODUCED.
UH, AS YOU RECALL, THIS WAS TO LOOK AT THE UNDERREPRESENTED COMMUNITIES ALONG THE BUCK ISLAND, SIMMONS, VILLA AND GUTHY ROAD CORRIDORS.
UM, THEY ALSO LOOKED AT THE RESOURCES IN OLD TOWN, HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY, UM, POTENTIAL FOR EXPANDING OF THE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT.
UM, SO BROCKINGTON WILL GIVE THEIR REPORT, UM, AT TOWN COUNCIL, UM, IN NOVEMBER.
UM, AND THEN WE LOOK TO HAVE THE SURVEY ADOPTED BY TOWN COUNCIL IN DECEMBER.
UM, AND THEN IT WILL BE, UM, OFFICIAL.
UM, SO THAT'S THE STATUS OF THE HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY AT THE MOMENT FOR THE, UM, FOR THE REVIEW OF THE SURVEY WITH TOWN COUNCIL IN NOVEMBER? WHAT DATE WAS THAT? YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO REVIEW IT.
I MEAN, UM, OCTOBER 19TH HAS THE, THE TOWN COUNCIL WORKSHOP, UM, THEY IN NOVEMBER WHERE THEY KIND OF NOVEMBER 9TH, YES.
UM, AS FAR AS THE GRANT PROGRAMS, UH, WE ARE DRAFTING PLANS FOR TWO TOWN FUNDED GRANT PROGRAMS FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, ONE IS TARGETED TOWARDS NONPROFIT INSTITUTIONAL OR COMMERCIAL ENTITIES, UM, TO PRESERVE THEIR HISTORIC BUILDINGS, UM, FUNDING FROM THAT IT'S GOING TO COME FROM A TAX MONEY.
UM, AND THEN THE SECOND PROGRAM WE'RE LOOKING AT IS FOR RESIDENTIAL OWNERS OF CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES, UM, COMING FROM GENERAL FUNDS, UM, TO HELP MAINTAIN THEIR PROPERTIES AND DEAL WITH ANY ISSUES THEY MIGHT HAVE.
UM, THE GOAL IS TO PREVENT, UM, OR TO BE MORE PROACTIVE AND PRESERVATION, UM, AND NOT TO LOSE THE STRUCTURES, THE CONTRIBUTORS SEARCHES THAT WE HAVE.
UM, AND THIS IS ANOTHER TOOL IN TOOLBOX TO HELP OWNERS, UM, PROPERLY MAINTAIN THEIR STRUCTURES BASED ON FINANCIAL NEEDS, UM, FOR THE, UM, RESIDENTIAL YES.
BASED ON NEED EIKO, WHO WOULD ISSUE THE GRANT FOR THE, I MEAN, WHERE WOULD THEY GO TO APPLY? UH, THEY WOULD COME TO THE TOWN, UM, EITHER IT'S BEFORE THE, YOU GUYS, AS THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION OR THROUGH TOWN COUNCIL WHERE WE'RE WORKING ON THE ROOTS RIGHT NOW OF HOW THE PAPERWORK WILL GO THROUGH, I AM TO THEIR APPLICATIONS.
OR HAVE YOU THOUGHT THAT FAR YET? YEAH, WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, A FIRST COME FIRST SERVE.
UM, WE DO HAVE A SCORING SYSTEM.
I HAVE A MENTAL SCORE IN MY HEAD RIGHT NOW OF, I HAVE 12 POTENTIAL HIGH PRIORITY STRUCTURES THAT IF THEY WANT IT TO COME TO US, THEY'LL GET FIRST DIBS.
UM, BUT THERE IS GOING TO BE A SCORING SYSTEM ON THAT.
I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK ON THAT FRONT, IF YOU HAVE A, WELL, I GUESS WILL Y'ALL BE REACHING OUT, UM, LIKE TO ONCE THIS PROACTIVELY REACHING OUT.
UM, I THINK OF ONE OR TWO IN PARTICULAR, YES, WE WILL.
THEY'RE A BUDGET THAT'S BEEN EARMARKED OR THERE'S THERE'S DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT HAVE BEEN THROWN OUT THERE FOR DISCUSSION.
I'M WAITING FOR CLARIFICATION FROM FINANCE UP TO THE WALL YET.
FUCK YET, THIS IS, UM, BASED ON FINANCIAL NEED, SO TO SPEAK, UM, RIGHT.
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IS GOING TO BE DONE IN CONFIDENTIALITY.I MEAN, ESSENTIALLY IF YOU KNOW THE CRITERIA AND FACTORS YOU IN VOTE PUBLICLY OR, OR HAVE THAT PRESENTED PROBABLY IS GOING TO NO, IT'S GOOD THAT THAT ECONOMIC NEED IS GOING TO BE CONFIDENTIAL.
WHAT, WHAT PIQUES MY INTEREST IS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION RELATED TO THE PROCESS OF DEMO DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT THE CATEGORIZATION OF THAT, AND ONCE CATEGORIZED OR DEEMED FITTING, WHAT ARE THE STEPS THEN OUTLINED ARE BEING PROPOSED AS OUTLINED TO BE TAKEN BY THE TOWN, BECAUSE IN SOME INSTANCES, DEMOLITION, BY NEGLECT WITH SOMEONE LOSING THEIR PROPERTY BY THE TOWNS, STATING THAT ITS HISTORIC IMPORTANCE SUPERSEDES THAT PERSON'S RIGHT TO WITHHOLD THE RIGHTS OF THAT LAND OR I'M ON THAT CREATES AN EXTREMELY SLIPPERY SLOPE.
WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OPENING UP THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE TOWN TO TAKE SOMEONE'S PROPERTY, RIGHT, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD EXCELLENT.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
AND, YOU KNOW, CHARLOTTE WILL ACTUALLY ADDRESS MORE DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT OR PROACTIVE PRESERVATION SHORTLY.
UM, THIS IS KIND OF LIKE THE FIRST STEP TO PREVENT THAT PROCESS FROM HAPPENING.
UM, I'M HAPPY TO HEAR YOU SAY THAT AND WHAT I W WHAT I LIVE FOR HIM AND WHAT I, WHAT I HOPE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE ALBUS BETTER OUTLINE AND HOW THERE'S AN OVERLAY BETWEEN THE GRANTS THAT WERE JUST MENTIONED DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT AND HOW THEY'RE TIED TOGETHER.
AND ALSO, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE HOW OUR TAX DOLLARS CAN COME INTO PLAY, AND IT'S NOT BEING TAKEN FROM SAY FUNDING TO GO TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, THE RESTORATION OF THE, THE HOMES AND THE STRUCTURES THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THE TOWN, RIGHT.
BUT AN ACTUAL BUDGET IS BEING EARMARKED AND FUNDS ARE BEING ALLOCATED DIRECTLY IN FOR THE SOLE USE OF THIS GOAL.
IT WOULD BE EXTREMELY NICE IF PERSONS INVOLVED HAD A BUDGET TO WORK WITH INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO ASK FOR FUNDS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
I THINK THAT THAT BUDGET ITEM IS GOING TO BE COMING THROUGH FINANCE.
IT WOULD BE INTERESTING BALANCE TO MAKE THAT MONEY FROM IT, A FEE THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE BUILDING PERMITTING WHERE THE CONSTRUCTION OF NEW BUILDINGS WOULD THEN START, SOMETHING COULD BE ESTABLISHED.
IT CAN, IT CAN PROVIDE LONG-TERM FINANCIAL SUPPORT FOR OUR ALL COMMON GOAL.
THERE'S BEEN MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE, UM, I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THE SAVANNAH HISTORIC SOCIETIES FUNDS THAT THEY HAVE IN THE SYSTEMS THAT THEY HAVE IN PLACE TO RAISE FUNDS CONSISTENTLY PURCHASE LANDS, NOT, NOT ADVERSELY POSSESSION LANDS THROUGH DEMOLITION, BY NEGLECT, WHICH SOME CITIES, TOWNS, AND MUNICIPALITIES HAVE DONE AND CAN DO THROUGHOUT OUR NATION.
AND DID THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON JUST DO THAT.
THAT WAS, OR WAS THAT, THAT WAS THE, YEAH, RIGHT.
THE TOWN, THE TOWN HAS PURCHASED ALSO SEVERAL OTHER STRUCTURES OVER THE YEARS, BUT IT'S ALWAYS BEEN MORE ON A CASE BY CASE.
THERE WAS A POSSIBILITY IN THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE NOW TO ESTABLISH A FUNNEL, SPECIFICALLY NEW CONSTRUCTION BUILDING PERMITS AND A PERCENTAGE OF THAT GOING TOWARDS THIS BUDGET.
ALSO, AN INTERESTING THING THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES, UH, WHICH IS FOR THE ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY, WANTS TO USE A FEDERAL BUILDING.
THEY PAY A FEE THAT FEE THEN COMES BACK TO ALL THE FEDERAL HISTORIC BUILDINGS FOR PRESERVATION.
IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME TILL HOLLYWOOD DISCOVERS BLUFFTON.
AND IF THEY WANT TO USE OUR PUBLIC SPACES AND CLOSE DOWN OUR STREETS, THAT COULD BE A REALLY NICE THING TO DO TO FUNNEL BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.
I'LL SEE WHAT I CAN DO ABOUT THAT.
UM, SORT OF RELATED TO WHAT YOU STARTED TO TOUCH ON, WHICH IS WHAT'S TO STOP THE PERSON WHO SAYS, YEAH, IF I WAIT LONG ENOUGH, I CAN GET A, IF I LET IT GO LONG ENOUGH, I'LL JUST BE ABLE TO GET A GRANT.
UM, HONESTLY, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING TO PREVENT THAT AT THE MOMENT.
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UM, I CAN SEE THAT AS A, AS A POSSIBILITY AND WE'LL HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT THAT.I THINK PART OF THE, OUR CHALLENGE WOULD BE INITIALLY IS TO COMMUNICATE TO THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
WE'RE HERE TO HELP YOU, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING TO BE GOOD FOR BOTH OF US.
UM, AND I THINK IF WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION, OH, WHOEVER WOULD DO THAT, WE THINK IT IS GOOD FOR BOTH, BUT I CAN, I CAN SEE, I HAVE MET PEOPLE BEFORE WHO WOULD PROBABLY SIT ON SOMETHING FOR 10 YEARS AND JUST WAIT FOR IT TO START TO LOOK BAD.
WE COULDN'T PUT THAT IN THE RUBRIC THAT THERE HAS TO BE SOME LEVEL OF UPKEEP.
I MEAN, EVEN, EVEN, UM, WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, THERE'S, YOU DON'T NEED TO PUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO SOME OF THE BASIC, BASIC, YOU KNOW, MAINTENANCE AND A PARENT'S THINGS.
AND THAT COULD BE PART OF THE RUBRIC IS, YOU KNOW, THE EFFORT THAT'S PUT IN WITHIN THE CONTROL OF THE PERSON, YOU KNOW, CAUSE I'M ASSUMING IF THEY'RE GOING FOR GRANT, IT'S GONNA BE FOR A MAJOR, MAJOR PROJECT.
IT COULD, IT COULD BE FOR SOMETHING IN MY VIEW IS SOMETHING AS I JUST NEED TO STABILIZE, YOU KNOW, MY ROOF STRUCTURE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T CAVE IN ON MAN, THE NEXT DOOR, I COULD GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
UM, GOSH, MAYBE EIGHT, NINE YEARS AGO I WAS WORKING FOR A COMPANY THAT WE PERFORM THE INITIAL STABILIZATION FOR THE ARMY RESIDENCE.
WE WENT IN ALL CREAMING AND I-BEAMS AND KEPT THE STRUCTURE FROM FALLING DOWN INTO DIFFERENT TERMITES.
AND THAT IN ESSENCE, WE ENCAPSULATED IT, TREATED IT FOR TERMITES AND OFF BALD IT, YOU KNOW, QUOTE UNQUOTE LIKE THAT'S, THAT'S THE CASE.
THAT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF, YES, THIS IS, THIS IS A BOARDING STRUCTURE.
WE JUST NEED TO KEEP IT FROM GETTING WORSE UNTIL TRUE PRESERVATION IN THIS, IN THE SENSE OF THE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF PRESERVATION PRESERVATION.
OH GOD, IT'S BEEN SO LONG SINCE I'VE REMEMBERED THIS RESERVATION, UH, REHABILITATION, THERE WERE THREE RESTORATION RESTORATION, BUT FIRST STEP IS ALWAYS PRESERVATION.
RIGHT? SO TO WHAT LEVEL THESE FUNDS FUND REHABILITATION MAY BE NOT SO MUCH THERE AS MUCH AS PRESERVATION.
AND THIS IS ONE PIECE OF THE LARGER PUZZLE.
I MEAN, THERE'S OTHER FUNDING STREAMS OUT THERE, OTHER OPPORTUNITIES, UM, TO GET TO THAT LEVEL TOO X CREDITS HERE.
I THINK I'VE ASKED THAT BEFORE THIS PROGRAM WILL ALSO PROBABLY BRING TO LIGHT THESE OTHER RESOURCES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, LARGELY UNTAPPED BY PEOPLE THAT MAY BE NOT KNOW OF THEM OTHERWISE.
WHAT WOULD, UM, PREVENT SOMEBODY FROM HAVING LIKE RECEIVING GREAT MONEY AND THEN TURN IT TO DO, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT WOULD BE AND THEN TURNING AROUND AND SELLING IT.
I COULD OFFER A RECOMMENDATION S WE'RE PART OF, I'M A PART OF A 5 0 1 C3 AND, YOU KNOW, AN APPLICANT SUBMITS THEIR APPLICATION AND IT HAS TO BE ACCOMPANIED BY PROPOSALS AND THAT THE MONEY THAT IS APPROVED, IT'S ONLY PAID TO THE CONTRACTOR AFTER IT'S, AFTER THE WORK'S BEEN DONE.
UM, I JUST MEAN LIKE IF SOMEBODY, YOU THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF IT THOUGH, RIGHT? YEAH.
I GUESS THE NEXT OWNER MAY NOT CARE THIS PERSON THERE WANT TO SHORE IT UP, PRESERVE IT, SELL THE PROPERTY IN A STATE THAT THAT WOULD MAKE THAT PERSON SAY, OH, I PROBABLY THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
IF I PAY FOR SOMEBODY TO GO GET TRAINING, I HAVE THEM SIGN AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO, AND I KNOW THIS IS HARD WITH FINANCIAL LOCATIONS, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO WORK FOR ME FOR ANOTHER YEAR OR THEY'RE GOING TO PAY THAT BACK, YOU KNOW? SO MAYBE THERE'S LIKE A, YOU WILL REMAIN OWNER OF THIS HOUSE FOR 12 MONTHS, 16 MONTHS.
AND THE OTHER QUESTION IS, AND MAYBE THIS COULD KIND OF GO BACK TO, UM, WHAT ELAINE WAS SAYING IS, UM, MAYBE THAT GRANT SHOULDN'T BE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE FUNDING.
MAYBE THEY SHOULD HAVE TO PUT DOWN FIVE OR 10% GOING TO BE MATCHING PROGRAMS. OKAY.
JUST FOR, LIKE I SAY, GOOD FAITH.
CAUSE THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD PUT THEM HAVING A LITTLE FINANCIAL STAKE IN IT.
AND ONCE YOU HAVE THAT IN THERE, SOMETIMES YOU'RE MORE COMMITTED TO YEAH.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE THEM HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME.
IDEALLY, THERE'S GOING TO BE INSTANCES WHERE THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE.
I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE KIND OF LIKE THE BELL SAFE THAT THIS STRUCTURE IS IT'S GOING TO GET BLOWN DOWN IN THE NEXT STRONG THUNDERSTORM.
YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO COME IN AND STABILIZE IT AND KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING.
BECAUSE ONCE IT LOOKS LIKE THIS SHED ON THE PROPERTY THAT WE JUST APPROVED DEMOLITION LINE, RIGHT.
SO IF WE COULD STABILIZE IT, SHORE IT UP WITHOUT HAVING TO GET MATCHING CONTRIBUTION FROM AN OWNER I'M OF NOT
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CROSSING OF, I WOULD NEVER WANT TO SEE US TAKE SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY.BUT I WOULD ALSO NOT WANT TO SEE SEVERAL STRUCTURES IN MY MIND ALL DURING THE NEXT HURRICANE.
AND I'M I'M, AS I'M PUTTING THE PROGRAM TOGETHER, I WANT TO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY THAT WE CAN WORK WITH SOME OF THE UNIQUE SITUATIONS THAT WE MIGHT ENCOUNTER.
UM, YEAH, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT KIND OF A FUZZY LINE.
IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO REHABILITATE THE BUILDING AND REUSE IT, THEY DO HAVE STATE TAX CREDITS DON'T HAVE FEDERAL NECESSARILY.
UM, IF THEY'RE NOT, IF IT'S NOT INCOME PRODUCING, YOU HAVE STATE.
ALTHOUGH IF THEY WANT TO USE THE BUILDING AT ALL AND THEY DON'T HAVE FUNDS THAT I'M NOT SURE IT'S ON THE TOWN OF BLUFF THAT FOR THEM, BUT IT COULD BE ON THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON TO PRESERVE.
I COULD SEE PEOPLE HAVING A HARD TIME WITH IF THE TOWN WAS THIS PLAN IN THIS PROGRAM, NOT ADVERSE POSSESSION, BUT MAYBE TWO PATHS MR. AND THE PRESERVATION OF THIS STRUCTURE.
AND THIS IS WHAT THAT PAST LOOKS LIKE WITH A CONTRIBUTING, WITH A MATCHING CONTRIBUTION.
THIS IS WHAT SCOPE LOOKS LIKE.
THIS IS WHAT THAT BUDGET LOOKS LIKE.
WE CAN PURCHASE THIS FROM YOU ON PRICE OR SOME POTENTIALLY WRITE A FIRST REFUSAL, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
THOSE HAVE POSSESSION OF IT IF IT HAS DONE SO IN AN AMICABLE MANNER THAT ALL PARTIES AGREE TO AND SELLS, IT MAKES PROFIT LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE IN THIS TOWN KIND OF THE BASIS OF YELLOWSTONE, JUST TO THINK WE'LL WATCH YELLOWSTONE, NOBODY WATCHES YELLOWSTONE.
I STARTED, I KNOW YOU WATCH A K RIGHT.
DUTTON RANCH, RIGHT? LIKE IT'S UP ON OUR POP CULTURE.
I KNOW THAT I LIKE THE POTENTIAL FOR THIS.
I HAVE TO JUST BE REAL CAREFUL THAT IT DOESN'T BECOME REDUNDANT TO OTHER THINGS THAT CAN OTHER OPTIONS THAT THEY HAVE.
DO YOU WANT TO ADD, UM, WITH THE PROACTIVE PRESERVATION PROGRAM, UH, THE INTENT IS TO WORK COLLABORATIVELY WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER ON A PRESERVATION PLAN AND IT MAY BE A PLAN, UH, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER COMES OUT OF THAT PLAN BASED ON WHATEVER THE CONDITION OF THE, UH, THE STRUCTURES.
AND IT COULD POSSIBLY TAKE A YEAR, IT COULD TAKE LONGER THAN THAT.
AND THAT WILL DEPEND ON THE ABILITY OF THE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, THEIR FINANCIAL ABILITY TO MAKE THE CORRECTIONS THAT ARE NEEDED TO THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO IT WILL VARY BY PROPERTY AND IT'LL VARY BY INCOME LEVEL AS WELL.
AND WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE TOWN ATTORNEY ON THIS.
UM, WE MET LAST WEEK, WE'VE TWEAKED, UM, OUR ORDINANCE A LITTLE BIT.
UM, THERE WILL NOT BE EMINENT DOMAIN.
THERE WILL NEVER EVER BE A TAKING.
UM, I KNOW THAT SOME COMMUNITIES DO THAT.
UM, THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
UM, AND THAT IS A CONCERN FOR COUNCIL AS WELL.
SO THE INTENT IS TO WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR AS LONG AS NECESSARY IN ORDER TO GET HIS STRUCTURE BACK INTO, UM, UH, A CONDITION THAT'S NO LONGER DETERIORATING.
IT MAY BE INITIALLY STABILIZATION.
UM, BUT WE'LL DO WHAT WE CAN WITH, UH, WITH OUR, UH, FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE THAT WE HAVE TO OFFER.
UM, I DO WANT TO ADD ALSO THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT A BAILEY BILL PROGRAM AND THAT'S THE PROPERTY TAX ABATEMENT CITY OF BUFORD CURRENTLY HAS ONE IN PLACE RIGHT NOW.
UM, I BELIEVE THEY ALSO OFFER A TAX ABATEMENT FOR, UH, SCHOOL BOARD, UM, AS WELL AS FOR THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW, WE'RE FOCUSED ONLY ON THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON, UM, PR UH, ABATEMENT, JUST GIVEN THE ECONOMY RIGHT NOW.
UH, WE THINK IT'S WISE TO JUST OFFER A TOWN ABATEMENT AND PERHAPS AT A LATER DATE PURSUE BOTH THE COUNTY AND THE SCHOOL BOARD, BUT WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT GO THROUGH IS JUST ANOTHER, UM, UH, TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX THAT WE CAN OFFER A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE OWNERS.
SO THAT WILL MOVE FORWARD AS WELL.
AND, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL HEAR THAT ON OCTOBER 27TH, AS WELL AS THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE DESIGNATION AND AS THE, UH, AS WELL AS THE TERMS AND DEFINITIONS.
SO THOSE THREE ITEMS ARE UDL AMENDMENTS.
THE BAILEY BILL IS ACTUALLY SEPARATE.
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OF OUR GENERAL CODE, SO THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.SO AGAIN, JUST TO RECAP, UH, THE MEETINGS THAT ARE UPCOMING OCTOBER 19TH AT 5:00 PM, THAT'S THE TALENT COUNCIL WORKSHOP.
OCTOBER 27TH IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE UTO ITEMS. FIRST READING OF, UM, THE AMENDMENTS AND THE RELATED, UH, THE PRESENT, UH, PRESENTATION BY BROCKINGTON ON THE HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY WILL BE NOVEMBER 9TH, 19TH, EXCUSE ME.
AND DECEMBER 14TH WILL BE THE FINAL READING, UM, FOR THE RESOLUTIONS AND THE AMENDMENTS.
SO EVERYTHING, HOPEFULLY WITH A MOVE FORWARD WILL BE ADOPTED IN DECEMBER.
AND THE EFFECTIVE DATE WILL BE JANUARY 20, 22 FIRST DAY OF JANUARY.
IT A-LIST EMAIL DATES AND THE MEETINGS.
I'D BE GLAD TO ANOTHER THING THAT COMES TO MIND, A LOT OF THE HOMES THAT, UM, THAT ARE IN SUCH BAD CONDITION.
I KNOW SEVERAL THAT ARE HEIRS PROPERTY.
DOES THE TOWN OFFER ANY RESOURCES TO HELP OWNERS TO HELP MEMBERS OF THE FAMILIES ARE ATTACHED TO THESE PROPERTIES, TRY TO FIND RESOLUTION.
THERE IS NO ORGANIZATION OUT OF CHARLESTON THAT WE REFER, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS TO, OR HEIRS TO, TO TRY TO CORRECT THAT SITUATION.
UM, WE DON'T OFFER OURSELVES ANYTHING, BUT WE DO MAKE A REFERRAL KNOW ORGANIZATION THAT YOU'RE, THAT YOU'RE, UM, YES, YES.
THAT ORGANIZATION HAS A LEGAL TEAM AND THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THE BANDWIDTH TO BE ABLE TO OFFER GUY OFFER GUIDANCE.
BUT A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS THAT I SEE THESE FAMILIES RUNNING INTO IS THAT THERE'S NOT A CLEAR TITLE SO THAT IF THEY WANTED TO, TO TAKE OUT A MORTGAGE OR IF THEY WANTED TO TAKE OUT A LOAN FOR A RESTORATION OR FOR PRESERVATION, HE COULD, YOU KNOW, OFFERING THEM A PATH TO LIKE A TYPICAL, ALMOST TAKE OUT A HOME EQUITY LINE OR CAPITALIZE ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT HAS ZERO DEBT.
WE'LL GET YOU THAT TO PAY FOR RESTORATION OF EQUITY.
ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE WITH SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES BEFORE THEY BECOME HEIRS PROPERTIES, WHEN THEY'RE, THEY'RE OWNED NOW BY ELDERLY PEOPLE WHO MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE A, UH, UH, WILL, THERE ARE PROBABLY OUTREACH.
I MEAN, I THINK AS WE'VE SEEN PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE NOW ARE PROBABLY AN ERROR AND HAVE JUST BEEN LIVING ON, YOU KNOW, ITS PATHS DOWN THAT THE PROPERTY MAY BE PASSED DOWN.
IF IT'S A TITLE ISSUE FROM LIKE A HUNDRED YEARS AGO, LIKE WE'VE SEEN, UM, IS THERE ANYTHING THE TOWN CAN HELP THEM WITH THAT BEFORE IT BECOMES A BIG THING.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK INTO LEGAL REPRESENTATION ASSIST, OH, A DOCUMENT COME BEFORE US.
THAT WAS IN ESSENCE SAYING WE HAVE LEGITIMIZE THE PROPERTY.
OH, NO CONTEST FOR X PERIOD OF TIME.
LIKE THERE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A NARROW WINDOW TO SHOOT THE GAP.
AND IN TRANSFER TITLE OF THESE PROPERTIES, THERE'S A WAY TO DO IT.
IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY AND EVERYBODY IN ONE PLACE, IF YOU CAN'T TRACK DOWN THE 30 DISTANT COUSINS THAT ARE ALL ATTACHED BECAUSE OF TWO GENERATIONS BEFORE THEM POSSIBLE, LAST YOU GO THAT REALM OF FILING THAT TYPE OF LEGAL FORMAT.
NOW CAN, CAN GO A STEP FURTHER OTHER THAN JUST RECOMMENDING THAT GROUP OUT OF CHARLESTON AS THEIR HANDS FULL.
I NEVER REALLY EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT IT, BUT I COULD IMAGINE, I MEAN, WE SAW IT LAST MONTH, TWO MONTHS, WHATEVER IT WAS, UM, AT HOUSE AFTER IT, AFTER VERY COMPLICATED.
AND WE'VE GOT ELDERLY PEOPLE NOW WHO ARE AT THE HEAD OF THOSE FAMILIES, THAT IN THE PAST THE
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CENTER IS THE CENTER FOR HEIRS.PROPERTY HAS COME DOWN TO BLUFFTON AND GIVEN A PRESENTATION.
UM, I FEEL LIKE I'M MISSING A FEW YEARS OF MY LIFE BECAUSE OF 20, 20 AND HALF OF 2021.
BUT, UM, I WANT TO SAY IT WAS ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO WAS LASTING THEY'RE DOWN HERE.
I DON'T WANT TO SAY FAIRLY REGULARLY, BUT THEY, THEY HAD DONE IT A COUPLE OF TIMES AND I THINK THEY WERE SPACED ABOUT EVERY TWO YEARS OR SO.
AND SO IT MAY JUST BE THAT FUNNY HAS ALL FROM PROPERTY RECORDS, WHICH ONES ARE, ARE TYPICALLY THEY GET A PERSONAL INVITATION.
UM, I, THE LAST TIME THEY WERE IN TOWN, THERE WAS A PRESS RELEASE FOR IT, AS WELL AS IT WAS PUBLISHED, SIMILAR TO OTHER MEETING NOTICES.
AND I BELIEVE, UM, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMITTEE ALSO MADE IT A POINT TO AT LEAST MAKING A STATEMENT AND COUNSELING MADE A STATEMENT, CORRECT.
BUT, UM, FOUR YEARS AGO, UM, THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE PATH I BELIEVE THAT THEY TOOK.
SO THERE HAS BEEN A COUPLE OF TIMES WHERE THEY'VE DONE WORKSHOPS IN THE AREA.
UM, SINCE I'VE WORKED HERE AGAIN, I ONLY HAVE A LAWFUL LAW SCHOOLS OFTEN LOOK FOR THINGS FOR THE LAW STUDENTS.
DID YOU, THAT WOULD BE AN INTERESTING OUTREACH FOR THEM TO REACH OUT TO THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS ON THE BILL DISASTER.
THE WHOLE THING, LIKE IF MY WIFE AND I HAD HAVE TWO KIDS, IF WE PASS AWAY AND WE DON'T LEGALLY TRANSFER OUR HOME TO EIGHT, ONE OF THEM IS THEY HAVE THREE KIDS, A PIECE AND THEY DON'T LEGALLY TRANSFER THAT TITLE.
NOW THAT HOUSE IS SPLIT BETWEEN THOSE SIX KIDS.
THOSE SIX KIDS HAVE TWO KIDS, A PIECE.
AND NOW YOU HAVE A HOUSE THAT IS SPLIT BETWEEN 12 PEOPLE, WHICH IS WHY YOU GOT TO TELL YOUR KIDS.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADD TO THAT, ONE OF THOSE SIX ERRORS CAN ALSO SELL THEIR PORTION YES.
TO A STRANGER, TO A STRANGER WHO THEN IT CAN FOLLOW THE SAME PATH.
BUT ON A ONCE, IT GETS TO THAT POINT, UNLESS YOU TRACK ALL 12 PEOPLE DOWN AND THAT PERSON THAT WAS SOLD IT TO, AND IT WAS SOLD TO YOU, BUY THEM OUT AND GET EVERYBODY ELSE TO SIGN A DOCUMENT, SELL IT UNLESS YOU THAT LEGAL GAP OF NON CONTEST, ALMOST ADVERSE POSITION.
IT'S ALMOST, YOU KNOW, IT'S FINDING SOMEBODY THAT'S STANDING UP TALL ENOUGH IN HIRING A LAWYER TO SAY, I OWN THIS SPEAK NOW OR FOREVER.
HOLD YOUR PEACE BECAUSE I'M SELLING IT TO THE GYM.
ONCE THE TRANSACTION TAKES PLACE, THERE'S STILL A TIME PERIOD OF OTHERS TO COME BACK AND SAY, NO, NO, NO, NO FAMILIES LEGAL BILLS WERE LIKE $27,000 FOR TRACKING DOWN THE HEIRS.
I THINK, BUT I MEAN, IT'S NOT, YEAH, IT'S A ALRIGHTY.
AND UM, I WILL SEND OUT THE DATES IF YOU'D LIKE TO ATTEND THOSE MEETINGS.
UH, WITH THAT, I BELIEVE WE ARE GETTING READY TO ADJOURN.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ADJOURNING, SAY, AYE.