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[1. CALL TO ORDER ]
MEETING OF THE BUFORD NORTH THREE PILL PLAN IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE TO ORDER.AND IF AT ALL, STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE
UM, IT APPEARS THAT, UH, WE DO NOT HAVE A CORUM AND I GUESS, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE OUR MEETING MINUTES GO BACK TO MAY 28TH AND WE HAVE NOT HAD A CORE OF A SINCE THEN.
SO, UM, I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO, UH, SHOW UP NEXT WEEK OR NEXT MONTH, UH, THE FOIL REQUESTS HAVE GONE OUT, UM, AND, UH, ASKED FOR, UH, APPROVAL FOR THE MAY 28TH MEETING.
I CAN'T EVEN DO THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM.
SO ADDITIONAL PURPOSES I'LL KEEP GOING ON THAT.
ARE THERE ANY CITIZENS COMMENTS? OKAY.
UM, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, UH, LET'S GO AROUND THE ROOM AND INTRODUCE OURSELVES, I GUESS, LIKE WE NORMALLY DO.
UM, ROBERT MERCHANT ACTING DIRECTOR, BEAVER COUNTY PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT, UH, JENNY KOZAK, UH, FORMER PLANNING DIRECTOR, LOW COUNTRY, COUNSELOR GOVERNMENTS, AND I'M STILL ON A CONTRACT ON THE MIRROR PROJECT, THE RESILIENCY PROJECT.
AND I'M ALSO ON THE, UH, COUNTY TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE AND THE BOARD OF THE BUFORD MUSEUM.
SO I HAVE VARIOUS REASONS FOR THE B ANDERSON BUFORD COUNTY PLANNING, JULIANA SMITH, LONG RANGE PLANNER FOR COUNTY PLANNING.
THIS IS ED PAPISH, BUFORD COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION, JARED FREELY IT'S BEETROOT COUNTY, THE ENGINEERING ASSISTANT COUNTY, RESTRAINER OF ENGINEERING, STEPHANIE ROSSEY PLANNING DIRECTOR AT LOW COUNTRY COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS.
OKAY, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
I'VE BEEN ASKED IF WE COULD S UH, FLIP ITEM NUMBER SIX AND ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.
UH, IS THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO DOING THAT? SEE NOTHING.
[7. “RE‐IMAGINED RIBAUT ROAD” – DISCUSSION OF A JOINT RIBAUT ROAD MASTER PLAN FROM BOUNDARY STREET TO THE RUSSELL BELL BRIDGE]
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GO TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.UH, RE-IMAGINED REBO ROAD, UH, DISCUSSION OF THE JOINT RAINBOW ROAD MASTER PLAN.
UM, I HAVE ASKED, UM, JARRETT
UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT A POTENTIAL FOR LINING UP FOR A SALES TAX REFERENDUM IN ADDITIONAL PROJECTS IN NORTHERN BUFORD COUNTY.
AND THIS ONE WOULD BE A JOINT EFFORT WITH THE CITY, THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY.
AND SO WE FELT THAT THE NORTHERN IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE WAS A GOOD PLACE TO KIND OF INTRODUCE THE, UM, THE CONCEPT AND THEN LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE STEPS WE WERE IN AGREEMENT TO MOVE FORWARD.
JARED, DID YOU WANT TO, UM, THANK YOU, YOU AS A LOUDNESS AND SOME TALK TO YOU, UM, IN SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THIS PROJECT, UM, BEFORE I KIND OF GET INTO THE CONCEPT, I WANT TO KIND, KINDA TALK ABOUT HOW I GOT TO THIS.
UH, I THINK EVERYBODY'S HEARD OF THIS SO FAR.
I KNOW I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR A FEW MONTHS LIST OF THE CITY AND DOWN, UM, STAFF LEVEL.
UM, BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT CREATED THIS AS FAR AS NOW'S THE TIME AND THE OPPORTUNITY, AND THEY'RE ALL KIND OF ALIGNING AT THE SAME TIME, WHICH IS REALLY GREAT FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, BUT WE HAVE ABOUT THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT THINGS COMING TOGETHER CONCURRENTLY.
SO OBVIOUSLY WE HAD THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH IS IN ITS FINAL STAGES, THE COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UH, I KNOW THE CITY AND TOWN, THEY HAVE THEIR PLANS AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE WE'RE WORKING ON UPDATING OUR IMPACT FEE SCHEDULE OR LIST OF PROJECTS.
SO, UM, THAT'S A 10 YEAR HORIZON AS WELL.
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REAL WELL WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.UM, WE'RE ALSO CURRENTLY IN A SALES TAX PROGRAM, UM, THAT IS SET TO EXPIRE NEXT NOVEMBER.
SO THERE'LL BE OPPORTUNITY FOR, UH, ANOTHER SALES TASK PROGRAM IF DESIRED.
UM, SO LOOKING AT WHAT PROJECTS WOULD FIT IN ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND THEN ALSO IS THE LATS, UM, LONG RANGE PLAN UPDATE.
SO THEY'RE IN THE FIVE-YEAR UPDATE.
SO A LOT OF THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED IN THE PAST ARE ALREADY ON THERE, BUT NOW IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY, UH, AND INCLUDING BOUNDARY STREETS OR REGULAR, EXCUSE ME, IT'S ALREADY ON THERE, BUT NOW'S A TIME TO KIND OF UPDATE THAT AND MARRY ALL THESE PLANS TOGETHER.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, UH, THAT'S, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PHRASE THE NAME OF REIMAGINED, UH, REPO ROAD, BUT I, I THINK IT'S CATCHY AND GOOD, AND I THINK THAT'S THE NAME WE KEEP LIFTS.
UM, BUT THE CONCEPT IS, UM, BASICALLY THAT ROAD HAS BEEN DEVELOPED.
UM, AND MOST OF THE DEVELOPMENT AROUND THE ROAD HAS ALREADY TAKEN PLACE.
THERE'S SOME REDEVELOPMENT, BUT REALLY NO MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ROAD ITSELF OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DECADES.
SO NOW'S THE TIME FOR US TO COME TOGETHER WITH A PLAN AND PEN REALLY ENVISION WHAT WE WANT THIS TO BE.
AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S A JOINT PROJECT WITH THE MUNICIPALITIES THAT JOANNE ONE ANOTHER, AND THE COUNTY BEING IN THE MIX, AS FAR AS FACILITATING, THIS COULD BE A PROJECT THAT WOULD FIT ON AND AGAIN, THE IMPACT FEE LIST AND THE FUTURE SALES TAX LIST.
UM, SO THE COUNTY WOULD BE INVOLVED FROM THOSE EFFORTS.
SO WE HAD A MEETING YESTERDAY, UM, WITH COUNTY, UH, TOWN AND CITY STAFF TO TALK ABOUT THIS AND DEVELOP A PLAN OF ATTACK.
SO OUR GOAL WOULD BE THAT FIRST AND, AND ME, UH, THINKING ABOUT PROJECTS AND HOW TO SET A PROJECT UP, SUCH THAT WE COULD POSITION OURSELVES TO BE IN THE BEST POSITION POSSIBLE FOR EITHER STATE FUNDS OR FEDERAL FUNDS.
AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT, I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE THE EXAMPLE LOCALLY IN THE BOUNDARY STREET PROJECT, SO ON BOUNDARY AND ONLYS OUT.
SO ON THE BOUNDARY STREET PROJECT, WE HAD A MASTER PLAN AND THAT MASTER PLAN ALLOWED US TO RAISE OUR HAND FOR THE FEDERAL TIRE GRANT PROGRAM, UM, THAT ALONG WITH IMPACT FEES AND SALES TAX AND TIP FINANCING ALL CAME TOGETHER TO BRING THAT PROJECT TO LIFE, SAME THING ON LADIES OUT.
AND SO THERE'S SEVERAL PLANS, UH, BETWEEN YOU GUYS AND OTHER GROUPS, UM, IN THE CITY AND LADIES OUT AND ALTOGETHER ABOUT WHAT WAS ENVISIONED OUT ON LIAISON.
AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY THERE WAS A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS PERFORMED BY STANTEC AND THOSE TWO, UM, COMBINED WITH IMPACT FEE AND SALES TASKS ARE WHAT MOVING THAT PROJECT FOR.
WE ALSO RECENTLY, UM, PUT OUR NAME IN THE HAT FOR A FEDERAL GRANT, UH, THE SAME TIRE GRANT, BUT IT'S NOW BEEN REBRANDED AS A LADY'S GRANT.
SO WE JUST RECENTLY APPLIED FOR THAT.
SO USING THOSE TWO MODELS, UM, MY HOPE IS THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH AN ENVISIONED MASTER PLAN, UM, THAT MARRIES BOTH THE CITY AND THE TOWN AND, AND THEIR CODES TOGETHER.
UM, AND THEN FROM THAT, TAKE IT TO A TRAFFIC STUDY COMPONENT.
AND THEN FROM THERE A ENGINEERED SET OF PLANS AND THEN CONSTRUCTION, UH, AND BY DOING THAT, THESE ARE ALL STEPS THAT, UM, WHEN YOU'RE APPLYING FOR FEDERAL FUNDS OR STATE FUNDS, UM, IT LOOKS REALLY GOOD ON THE APPLICATION THAT YOU HAVE A MASTER PLAN, THAT THIS IS A REGIONAL APPROACH.
WE START GETTING A LOT OF CHECK BOXES, WHICH REALLY STACKED US UP WELL WITH COMPETING PROJECTS.
SO, UM, AS FAR AS STEP FORWARD, AND WHAT WAS DISCUSSED YESTERDAY AT OUR STAFF MEETING, OUR GOAL WOULD BE THAT OVER THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO, UM, THAT WE MEET AND, AND ROB MERCHANT IN HIS STAFF WOULD KIND OF TAKE THE LEAD TO SET UP SOME FURTHER STAFF MEETINGS TO DEVELOP KIND OF A TIMELINE AND AN APPROACH, A MORE DETAILED APPROACH, UH, CONCURRENTLY WE'RE ALSO WORKING THE COUNTY IS WORKING TO UPDATE OUR OWN CALL TRAFFIC LIST, UH, OF ENGINEERS AND CONSULTANTS IN POTENTIALLY RATHER THAN DOING AN RFQ SPECIFICALLY FOR A CONSULTANT FOR MASTER PLANNING.
THERE MAY BE A FIRM THAT'S IN THAT PROPOSED LIST OF PROJECT OR, UH, CONSULTANTS THAT HAS THE CAPACITY TO DO PLANNING AND, UM, TRAFFIC STUDY INFORMATION.
SO, UH, THAT MAY BE A WAY FOR US TO FACILITATE, TO KIND OF KICK THIS THING OFF SOONER THAN LATER, VERSUS KIND OF GOING THROUGH THE THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE MONTH PROCESS OF A RFQ SPECIFICALLY FOR A PLANNER.
UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE OUR GOAL IS THAT IF YOU CAN BRING THAT ON, THEN HAVE THE PLANNING OPTION TAKE PLACE FIRST, AND THEN THE TRAFFIC COMPONENT SECOND OR CONCURRENTLY IN SOME COMPONENT.
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BE, ARE BEING POSITIONED WELL ENOUGH THAT WE CAN STICK OUR HANDS UP FOR FURTHER FUNDING.SO, UM, I GUESS THE RE-IMAGINED PART, UM, THIS IS THE PART THAT GROUPS, UH, NORTHERN REGIONAL AND OTHER GROUPS, UM, WE WANT YOU GUYS TO HELP WEIGH IN, UM, COMEDIANS.
DO WE WANT SIDEWALKS? WE WANT PATHWAYS.
DO WE WANT A DIET? AND WE WON'T ADD LANES ALL THAT, UM, DO WE WON'T BUILD INTO, UP ON THE STREET, ALL THAT'S THE REIMAGINED PART? DO WE WANT THE POWER LINES UNDERGROUNDED, UM, THAT FITS INTO RESILIENCY AND A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS.
SO, UH, THE, THE PAINTING HASN'T BEEN PAINTED AT ALL, SO WE CAN PAINT WHATEVER FITS REALLY WELL ON THIS RE-IMAGINED REBUILD.
AND THAT'S IT, UNLESS YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS, I'LL GLADLY TAKE YOU THEN QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY, SARAH, JUST SO I'M CLEAR, YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT WE DO ALL THE PLANNING INTERNALLY AND DID NOT BRING IN AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.
UM, WE WOULD BRING ON AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT.
UM, BUT INITIALLY WE CAN GET STARTED INTO INTERNALLY KIND OF SCHEDULING HOW WE APPROACH STAFF.
AND THEN AS WE GET THE OUTSIDE CONSULTANT ON, THEN WE CAN REALLY GET INTO THE MEAT AND POTATOES AS FAR AS PUTTING TOGETHER THE PLAN AND THEY CAN HELP FACILITATE.
SO IT'D BE A KIND OF COMBINED EFFORT, THE GOOD THING TOO.
UH, THE TWO MAYORS IN THE ROOM, UH, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT FITS IN LINE WITH THE EXISTING IMPACT FEES.
UM, SO IT'S AS SOMETHING SUITABLE THAT WE COULD DO, UM, WITH THE IMPACT FEES THAT ARE IN PLACE.
SO WE HAVE A FUNDING THERE'S NO MONETARY ASS, UM, OR CONTRIBUTION THAT WE HAD THE IMPACT FEES.
AND I THINK THAT'S GOOD USE FOR THIS REGIONAL PROJECT.
NO, I, I, I THINK IT'S EXCITING AND I APPRECIATE THE COUNTY TAKING THE LEADERSHIP ROLE ON IT.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THE TRAFFIC DENSITIES NECESSARILY JUSTIFY, UM, MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS TODAY, BUT I THINK IF WE ACKNOWLEDGED, WE START TALKING ABOUT IT TODAY, IT'S PROBABLY A DECADE BEFORE WE PUT THE FIRST SHOVEL IN THE GROUND.
MAYBE, MAYBE A LITTLE LESS, MAYBE A LITTLE LONGER, WE USE BOUNDARY STREET AS AN EXAMPLE.
AND I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE GROWTH ESTIMATES, IT'S DEFINITELY GOING TO JUSTIFY JUST FROM A TRANSPORTATION EFFICIENCY STANDPOINT, UH, IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THEN SELFISHLY AS A KID WHO GREW UP IN MOSSY OAKS, WHERE MOM WOULD BEAT US, IF WE CROSS REBUILT ROAD OR ROADS, THE SIDEWALKS ON REBEL ROAD WITH THE TELEPHONE POLES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SIDEWALKS, IT'S NOT A VERY CONDUCIVE SPACE FOR MULTI-VEHICLE FOR PEDESTRIANS OR BIKING.
UM, AND AS WE HAVE CONNECTIVITY KIND OF OCCURRING ALL AROUND THERE, I THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ADD THOSE KINDS OF AMENITIES TO THAT ENTIRE CORRIDOR, ESPECIALLY AS OUR NEIGHBORS IN PORT ROYAL, WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE TOUR AND HOW THAT STARTS TO INTERFACE, WHERE WE VOTE ROAD.
SO I ABSOLUTELY NOW'S THE TIME FOR US TO JOINTLY WORK TOGETHER TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE LONGTERM.
I MEAN, THIS IS WHAT PAUL HAS BEEN FOCUSING ON FOR AWHILE TO TRY TO MAKE REBUILT ROAD MORE MULTIMODAL TO CHANGE IT, TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE BUSINESS FRIENDLY ALSO.
SO THIS IS ON TARGET, JARED, YOU, AND I'VE TALKED TO A NUMBER OF TALKS ABOUT THIS.
I KNOW I APPRECIATE YOU GETTING IT TO THE NEXT STEP AND MAKING IT A BIGGER PICTURE.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS HAVE TO REMEMBER IT'S OUR END OF TOWN RIGHT NOW IS THE THIRD FEDERAL LADY'S ISLAND.
AND WE'VE GOT TO CONTROL THAT IN SOME WAY.
ONE OF THE THINGS I HEARD YOU, UH, TALK ABOUT WAS, UH, THE DIFFERENT, UM, CODES AND ORDINANCES THAT MIGHT BE AFFECTED, UH, THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
AND, UH, AS STEVEN HAD SAID, UM, UH, IT MAY TAKE LESS THAN 10 YEARS.
IT MAY TAKE MORE THAN 10 YEARS, BUT I THINK THE IMPACT OF THE STUDY TO SHOW THINGS LIKE SETBACKS, UM, WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO INCORPORATE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE ONCE THOSE ARE DECIDED BECAUSE DEVELOPMENT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAPPEN.
AND I THINK, UH, WE NEED TO HAVE CODES AND ORDINANCES THAT REFLECT WHAT THE FUTURE IS GOING TO BE FOR REBO ROAD ON THE DEVELOPMENTS ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE HAPPENING DURING THAT SAME PROCESS.
AS FAR AS TIMELINE, UM, I HOPE, UH, MAY MEMORY TO DELIVER IT MUCH SOONER THAN 10 YEARS.
SO MY GOAL PERSONALLY IS, UH, IF THIS IS A PROJECT THAT GETS FUNDING THROUGH THE IMPACT FEES AND A FUTURE SALES TAX THAT THIS WORK HELPS US, UM, GET STARTED ON THAT.
SO WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE THOSE FUNDS AVAILABLE.
AND THEN SO POTENTIALLY EARLIER IN A PROGRAM LIKE THAT, WE'D BE ABLE TO REALLY ACTUALLY PUT SHOVELS IN THE DIRT MUCH SOONER THAN, THAN 10 YEARS.
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IMPATIENT.SO I APPRECIATE YOUR OPTIMISM AND I, I HOPE I HOPE YOU'RE RIGHT.
IT SAYS AS A CONCERNED CITIZEN AND REBO ROAD, IS IT POSSIBLE TO COME UP WITH THIS MUCH NEED TO PLAN WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE ISSUE OF WHETHER A NEW BRIDGE OVER DELETEDS ISLAND IS OVER? I SHOW A HOPE NOT SURE.
I THINK THERE THERE'S, UM, SEPARATE ISSUES.
I MEAN, I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, THAT THOUGHT PROCESS THERE, THERE, WE CAN COORDINATE FURTHER WITH LESS, AS FAR AS A PLAN, WHETHER A THIRD BRIDGE IS NEEDED OR NOT.
UM, I KNOW THAT'S BEEN DISCOVERED THERE WAS SOME PRELIMINARY WORK DONE ON THAT MANY, MANY YEARS AGO.
UM, BUT AS WE ALL KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CHANGE AND A LOT OF GROWTH SINCE THEN.
UM, SO IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S ALSO LOOKED AT.
I WOULD PROBABLY TRY TO SEPARATE IT TWO, SO ONE DOESN'T HINGE ON THE OTHER, UM, AND ONE MIGHT TAKE LONGER TO DEVELOP IN THE OTHER.
I CERTAINLY THINK THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE OR TWO SEPARATE ISSUES.
UM, YOU KNOW, NOT TO DISCOUNT THE NEED TO CONTINUE WORKING ON LADY'S ISLAND TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE MEET THE CHALLENGES OF DENSITIES THAT WILL BE ALLOWED SPECIFICALLY IN RESIDENTIAL AND CONTINUE TO PROMOTE RESPONSIBLE COMMERCIAL TO HELP REDUCE TRIPS OVER THE, OVER THE BRIDGE.
UM, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY REASON THAT THEY NEED TO BE COMBINED THE BRIDGE CONVERSATION AND REBUILT THE REBUILT ROAD CONVERSATION ON THE THREE-PART ROAD.
CONVERSATION IS ENOUGH BY ITSELF TO BE HELD IN ISOLATION OR ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
I JUST HAVE THE PLAY, DOESN'T GET BOGGED DOWN IN THAT ISSUE.
SO WE'RE, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR THOUGHT WAS STAFF WOULD INITIATE A MEETING AND WE CAN START LOOKING AT EXISTING PLANS LIKE THE CIVIC MASTER PLAN AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SET UP A DRAFT WORK PROGRAM AND, YOU KNOW, TO START CONVERSATION ONCE WE START WORKING WITH A CONSULTANT.
SO WE'D LIKE TO GET STARTED ON THAT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT IT, TED HE'S ON BOARD.
AND THE ONE WHO MAKES THAT TRIP AT LEAST THREE TIMES, FOUR TIMES A DAY, I CERTAINLY, UH, WOULD INVITE A WARM, WELCOMING DRIVE FROM.
[6. DISCUSSION OF GROWTH BOUNDARIES – NORTHERN BEAUFORT COUNTY ]
TO ITEM NUMBER SIX.UH, DISCUSSION OF THE GROWTH BOUNDARIES OF THIS ISSUE WAS BROUGHT UP AT OUR, UP AT OUR AUGUST MEETING, UM, IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO DISCUSS, KIND OF HAVE A MAJOR DISCUSSION ABOUT.
AND I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED WE DON'T HAVE ANY COUNCIL OTHER THAN A STAFF COUNCIL OR COUNTY COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVES.
I COULD PROVIDE MAYBE SOME BACKGROUND, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT I, AS FAR AS THE DISCUSSION, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER, I GUESS, UM, I WOULD ASK THE CHAIR TO, OR THE MEMBERS WHO ARE HERE WHEN THEIR THOUGHTS ARE ABOUT MOVING FORWARD.
I WOULD ENJOY JUST MAYBE HAVE AN OVERVIEW.
I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOME MEMBERS FROM THE COUNTY HERE, UH, TO, UH, ENTER INTO THE DISCUSSION, UH, AS WELL AS SOME CITY STAFF.
SO, UM, BUT IF YOU COULD JUST DO A GENERAL OVERVIEW, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT ANYBODY ELSE OKAY.
THE WEATHER EITHER STAND UP PODIUM OR NOT COME TO THE TABLE.
WELL, UM, I GUESS WANTED TO START WITH A LITTLE BACKGROUNDS, YOU KNOW, THIS WHOLE, WHOLE REASON WE'RE HERE.
AND THE REASON THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THESE GROWTH BOUNDARIES CAME OUT OF THE NORTHERN COUNTY REGIONAL PLAN.
AND, UM, THIS IS GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2006, THE COUNTY, UM, WAS WORKING WITH HILTON HEAD AND BLUFFTON ON THE SOUTHERN REGIONAL PLAN.
AND I THINK, UM, EARLY ON, YOU KNOW, THE CONVERSATION WAS WELL, NOW THAT WE HAVE A SELLER, WE NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT THE NORTHERN, UM, AROUND THAT SAME TIME SEVERAL ISSUES HAD COME UP.
THE, UM, TOWN OF PORT ROYAL HAD ANNEX THE MODELING TRACT.
UH, THE, THE CITY WAS JUST IN DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CLARENDON AND MCCLOUD PLANTATIONS.
AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME YET MASSEY, UH, WAS, WAS, UH, TALKING ABOUT ANNEX AND BENDON.
SO THAT WAS THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE,
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THE ENVIRONMENTS THAT WE BEGAN, THE NORTHERN REGIONAL PLAN.AND, AND SO IT, ALL OF A SUDDEN BECAME VERY CLEAR, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS PLAN SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THESE ANNEXATIONS.
AND THERE WAS A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, UH, OPPOSITION AND, AND, AND I GUESS ILL WILL BETWEEN THE VARIOUS JURISDICTIONS THAT IF WE HAD A ROADMAP THAT WE, YOU KNOW, ALL AGREED ON BOTH THE GROWTH BOUNDARY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE ALL AGREED ON THE EXTENT TO FUTURE MUNICIPAL ANNEXATION, BUT ALSO AGREED UPON FUTURE LAND USE MAP WITHIN THAT WITHIN AND OUTSIDE OF THE GROWTH BOUNDARY, THAT THAT WOULD GO A LONG WAY.
NOT ONLY TO KIND OF TURN DOWN THE, THE, THE, BETWEEN THE MUNICIPALITIES AND THE COUNTY, BUT ALSO IT BENEFITS THE REGION AND HAVING A UNIFIED FEATURE LAND USE VISION.
AND SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE NORTHERN REGIONAL PLAN, I MEAN, THE BIGGEST ACCOMPLISHMENT, AND THESE ARE TWO MAPS OUT OF THAT, THE, UM, THE GROWTH BOUNDARY MAP, THIS REALLY CAME FROM A LOT OF JUST, YOU KNOW, UM, DISCUSSIONS AND, AND COMPROMISE.
YOU KNOW, IT WAS NOT NECESSARILY THAT, THAT WE SAID, YOU KNOW, THE BEST MOVING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, WE FEEL AS PLANNERS, THIS IS WHAT WE OUGHT TO DO.
THIS WAS EVERYONE COMING TO THE TABLE AND TALKING ABOUT WHAT THEY, THEIR VISION WAS.
AND, AND COMING UP WITH, UH, WITH THE DEGREE TO POD BOUNDARY, WE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THREE SCENARIOS.
YOU KNOW, ONE WAS MORE TIGHT, TIGHTLY DRAWN GROWTH BOUNDARIES.
IT JUST WENT NORTH OF THE AIR STATION AND WHAT DIPPED INTO THE SHELDON AREA.
AND WE ALL SETTLED ON THE ONE YOU SEE HERE.
UM, AND SO THAT, UM, AND SO THE PLAN WAS ADOPTED IN AUGUST OF 2007, AND THAT REALLY BEGAN A YEAR-LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT THE DETAILS OF AN INTER-GOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT THAT OUTLINED THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, WHAT IT MEANS TO, TO HAVE THE GROWTH BOUNDARY, IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
AND THIS IS JUST A REAL, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BROAD VIEW OF WHAT THE GROUP BOUNDARIES DO.
I MEAN, IT'S BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF THE GROWTH BOUNDARY SUSPENSE TO BE RURAL AND IN THE COUNTY INSIDE IS MORE URBAN AND, UM, EVENTUALLY INTO MUNICIPALITIES, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, ANNEX IN THE NEAR FUTURE OR NOT.
AND THE OTHER AGREEMENT TO THAT IS THAT OUTSIDE THE GROUP BOUNDARIES, THE COUNTY IS NOT IN COMPETITION WITH THE MUNICIPALITIES.
AND SO WE AGREED ON, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY THE DENSITY IS 1 22 PER ACRE.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE IN THE INTER-GOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT, A VERY DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF WHAT RURAL MEANS, BECAUSE THERE ARE, THERE ARE AREAS THAT GO BEYOND THAT DENSITY SUCH AS THE CORNERS COMMUNITY, AND SOME OF OUR NORTHERN, UM, COMMUNITY PRESERVATION AREAS SUCH AS DALE AND SHELDON.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THAT IS OUTLINED IN THIS INTER-GOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT.
THE OTHER THING THAT WE AGREED ON, IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, LANCE CAN CONTIGUOUS TO MUNICIPALITIES SHOULD NOT BE REZONED OR EPISODES.
THEY SHOULD BE ANNEXED TO INCREASE DENSITY.
SO THAT WOULDN'T BE A COMPETITION WHERE THE COUNTY BE LIKE, OH, THEY CAME TO US FIRST, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEND THEM AND, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD BASICALLY SEND THEM TO A MUNICIPALITY SAYING YOU'RE CONTIGUOUS TO A MUNICIPALITY.
YOU NEED TO TALK TO THE CITY OR THE TOWN, YOU KNOW, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, GET, BASICALLY GIVE THE CITY OR THE TOWN THAT RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL LANDS WITHIN GROWTH BOUNDARIES, BUT NOT CONTIGUOUS MUST EXPLORE WAYS TO ANNEX BEFORE INCREASING DENSITY THROUGH RESETTING AND MORE RECENTLY.
AND I GUESS WITHIN THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, THERE WAS A, UM, UH, ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY UP LADY SILENCE, WHICH WAS, I THINK, THREE PARCELS AWAY FROM THE CITY THAT, UM, I REMEMBER AT THAT TIME, LAUREN KELLY HAD WORKED WITH THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY INTEREST IN, UM, ANNEXATION.
AND WE BASICALLY CONCLUDE, YOU KNOW, EXHAUSTED POSSIBILITIES WROTE TO THE COUNTY.
AND THEN WE PROCEEDED TO WORK WITH THE CP COMMITTEE AND IT MADE SOME CHANGES TO THE ZONING TO ALLOW THAT TO OCCUR.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT HAS EVER BEEN BUILT, UH, NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT THE STATUS OF IT IS RIGHT NOW, BUT, UM, BUT THAT'S AN EXAMPLE WHERE RECENTLY OF KIND OF USING THESE PRINCIPLES.
UM, AND SO THE OTHER THING IS THAT REGARDLESS WE HAVE THIS MUTUALLY AGREED UPON FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
SO IF THE COUNTY, IF IT'S DETERMINED THAT THERE'S ENOUGH ZONING, IT'S INTO GROWTH BOUNDARIES, BUT IT'S JUST NOT PRACTICAL.
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WOULD BE FOLLOWING THAT AGREED UPON FUTURE LAND USE FRAMEWORK, UH, IN, IN ENTERTAINING, UH, RESETTING.AND SO THAT'S KIND OF THE REAL GENERAL, UM, YOU KNOW, PRINCIPLES THAT ARE SET WITH, UH, THE NORTH REGIONAL PLAN.
AND I JUST HAD TO LOOK THROUGH ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID IS AT THE POND ADOPTION.
IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE I LOOKED AT EACH OF THE THREE CONFERENCE OF PLANTS WERE ADOPTED AFTER THE, AND RACHEL PLAN TOWN OF PORT ROYAL HAS LANGUAGE IN THERE ABOUT PLANNING AREA AND THEIR FUTURE LAND USE MAP CORRESPONDS WITH THE GROWTH BOUNDARIES OF THE TOWN.
AND THEN ALSO THE CITY IN THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU KNOW, DID THAT, THEY D THEY ADOPTED THE MAP AND THEN THE COUNTY KIND OF HAS SIMILAR, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TALKED TO THE MAP, UM, NEXT SLIDE, UM, YOU KNOW, W WITH LANGUAGE RECOGNIZING THE PRINCIPLES OF GROWTH BOUNDARIES.
SO THIS WAS A REAL, I MEAN, I, I THINK THIS IS, UH, A REAL LANDMARK, YOU KNOW, ACTION THAT THE THREE OF US TOOK.
AND I THINK IT, IT REALLY, UM, IS TONED DOWN A LOT OF THE, YOU KNOW, IF ANYONE REMEMBERS BACK TO THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS, EVERY TIME THERE'S AN ANNEXATION, THERE WAS A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, ILL WILL BACK AND FORTH.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THAT THIS HAVING THIS FRAMEWORK, YOU KNOW, REALLY BENEFITS THE REGION AND HOW I THINK HAS REALLY HELPED US COME TO THE TABLE MORE COOPERATIVELY.
UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF AN OVERVIEW I WANTED TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO THE NEXT THING THAT REALLY AFFECTS THE GROWTH BOUNDARY IS THAT THE LATEST ISLAND PLAN MADE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR RETRACTING THE GROWTH BOUNDARY, AND SPECIFICALLY, UM, IN THE EUSTIS COMMUNITY, THE IDEA WAS TO, TO, TO, UM, JUST EAST OF THE WALMART SITE.
UM, IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LAND OF THIS ANNEX INTO THE CITY, THE, UM, I GUESS THAT'S JUST AN ISLAND AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER EUSTACE PLANTATION.
I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE OWNER.
THOSE, THOSE WOULD REMAIN INTEGRATED BOUNDARIES, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD BE ON THE OUTSIDE.
IT ENDED IN NORTHERN PART OF THE ISLAND.
IT WAS RETRACTING THE BOUNDARY TO REMOVE THE AREAS THAT ARE ZONED RURAL.
UM, AND I THINK AS YOU KNOW, IN THE DISCUSSION, THERE ARE A FEW, UH, I GUESS, HORSES THAT LEFT THE BARN UP THERE.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS, WE HAVE A FEW PDS AND SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOODS IN THAT AREA, BUT THE IDEA WAS LET'S, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, MOVE THAT BOUNDARY AND KIND OF STRENGTHEN THAT, RESOLVE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE CONTINUING TO UPSET IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE ISLAND.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A DRAFT COUNTY AS A DRAFT CONFERENCE, A PLAN, WE HAVE THIS MODIFIED BOUNDARY IN THE PLAN THAT WE REALIZED THAT THIS IS KIND OF ON OUR TO DO LIST IS, YOU KNOW, NORTHERN REGIONAL IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE TO TAKE UP THIS ITEM.
UM, THE OTHER THING, AND, UM, MATT GARDENS IS HERE FROM JAMASZI, UM, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE RECOGNIZE THAT, UM, THE SUCCESS OF THIS PLAN REALLY, YOU KNOW, ALSO WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE THE TOWN OF MOC AND THERE'S BEEN SOME RECENT ANNEXATIONS, YOU KNOW, THERE HAS BEEN BEEN.
UM, AND SO IN OUR PLAN, WE HAVE THIS STRONG KIND OF AS A, I WOULD SAY, A STARTING POINT OF DISCUSSION, BUT WE RECOGNIZE THE TALENT OF THE MSC.
YOU'RE EMBARKING ON A CONFERENCE, A PLAN RIGHT NOW.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WORK WITH THE TOWN AND KIND OF LOOK AT A SHARED VISION, UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE THAT LINE FALLS, WHETHER IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE COUNTY RIVER, OR, YOU KNOW, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS WHO KIND OF WORK OUT THAT, UM, WE REALLY SEE THAT I THINK THAT WE COULD BENEFIT ALSO WORKING TOGETHER WITH THE MSC AND ON THE SHARED VISION FOR THAT AREA AS WELL.
UM, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS, I GUESS, FOR THIS COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT, AND I'M JUST OFFERING THESE AS KIND OF STARTING POINTS OF DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, ALONG WITH THE MIC.
WELL, WE HAVE THE LADY'S ISLAND QUESTION, YOU KNOW, ABOUT MOVING THE BOUNDARY TO, TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE LADY SILENT PLAN.
I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL, UM, YOU KNOW, IS THERE, WOULD THERE BE ANY BENEFIT OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE IN TERMS OF THE BROAD RIVER, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE AT THE TIME WHEN THESE BOUNDARIES WERE DRAWN, YOU KNOW, THE MODELING TRACK WAS APPROVED FOR, YOU KNOW, QUITE A BIT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT OBVIOUSLY THAT NOW HAS BEEN PURCHASED THROUGH RURAL CRITICAL LANDS AND IN TOWN SOUND.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE MAY WANT TO LOOK AT.
I'M JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, OFFERING THAT.
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CERTAINLY, WE COULD TALK ABOUT IT.I JUST STRUGGLE WITH REDUCING THE BOUNDARY OUTSIDE OF OUR CURRENT ANNEX LINE AND IT'S RIGHT AT THE ANNEX LINE RIGHT NOW.
AND THERE'S NO OTHER, THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THERE TO ANNEX INTO THE TOWN INSIDE THAT BOUNDARY.
SO I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT THE NEED MAKES SENSE, BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY WILLING, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE EMBRACED, WHAT'S HAPPENED WITH THE LAND THAT WE'VE AT X DOT THE LEMON ISLAND AND TURNED IT INTO A, YOU KNOW, FOR RURAL SOUND FOUNDATION, WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE IT'S ALL PRESERVED IN THE LONG RUN.
SO JUST, THAT WOULD BE THE CONCERN, BUT WE'RE OPEN TO TALK.
AND IT REALLY, I MEAN, THE FORCE, THE FACT ALMOST ALL OF THAT LAND IS PRESERVED.
SO IT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE, YOU KNOW, AND THEN I GUESS THE OTHER AREAS, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WERE DRAWING THE BOUNDARIES, YOU KNOW, 15 YEARS AGO, UM, IT WENT ALL THE WAY TO THE WHALE BRANCH, BECAUSE I THINK AT THAT TIME, THE CITY WAS TALKING TO CLARENDON AD TWO TO MCLEOD.
IS THAT STILL, YOU KNOW, IS THAT STILL SOMETHING WE WANT TO KEEP ON THERE? AND SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THINGS THAT I THINK OF WHAT, WHEN WE WERE VISITED THE BOUNDARY, MAYBE THINGS TO LOOK AT, I'M SURE THERE ARE OTHERS, BUT, UM, WELL I THINK FROM THE CITY STANDPOINT, IF YOU'RE ASKING US TO FOREGO A FAIR AMOUNT OF POTENTIAL GROWTH AND DENSITY ON LADY'S ISLAND, WHICH WE'VE ESSENTIALLY AGREED TO IN THE LADIES ON PLAN, AS LONG AS THE COUNTY MEETS THREE CONDITIONS, WHICH I THINK YOU'VE ONLY MET ONE AT THIS POINT.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE THINK BROADLY ABOUT THE GROWTH THAT IS COMING AND WHERE WE'RE GOING TO CAPTURE THAT, REDIRECTING THAT INTO THE NORTHERN PART OF PORT ROYAL ISLAND INSTEAD OF ON LADY'S ISLAND MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
UM, ALSO ACKNOWLEDGING THAT WE HAVE ENCROACHED MINT ISSUES AROUND, AROUND THE AIR STATION.
UM, I I'VE READ THROUGH THE NORTHERN REGIONAL PLAN AGAIN AND THEN THE ADVANCE OF THIS MEETING AND IT STRUCK ME AS HOW PROGRESSIVE OF A DOCUMENT IT IS.
SO FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT WERE PARTICIPATING, THANK YOU.
BECAUSE I DO THINK IT GIVES US A NICE SORT OF FOUNDATION AND FRAMEWORK.
I REALLY LIKED THAT WE HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT 60% OF OUR LAND IS GOING TO REMAIN RURAL.
IT WOULD BE INTERESTING 15 YEARS LATER, IF WE DID SOME ANALYSIS TO FIND OUT WHERE WE REALLY ARE TOWARDS THAT GOAL.
AND IF WE'D BEEN ABLE TO MEET THAT, MEET THAT THRESHOLD.
UM, BUT ONE GLARING THING THAT I THINK I SAW, AND IF YOU GO BACK TO THE LAND USE MAP, IT'S STILL VERY MUCH A EUCLIDEAN MAP WHERE WE'RE PUTTING RESIDENTIAL OVER HERE AND WE'RE PUTTING COMMERCIAL OVER HERE.
AND I THINK IN THE 15 YEARS, SINCE THE PLAN WAS FIRST CREATED, ALL THREE JURISDICTIONS HAVE PASSED A FORM-BASED CODE AND WE'VE TAKEN A MUCH MORE FOREIGN-BASED MIXED USE SORT OF LOOK AT HOW WE'RE GOING TO CAPTURE, MANAGE GROWTH AND DENSITY OVER THE NEXT MANY, MANY YEARS.
AND SO I DON'T SEE, I DON'T SEE THAT GOAL OF CAPTURING MIXED USE REFLECTED IN THE NORTHERN REGIONAL PLANS LAND USE MAP.
ALTHOUGH IN, I THINK THE LAND USE MAP, YOU JUST SHOWED THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IN THE COUNTY'S NEW COMP PLAN SAYS RESIDENTIAL SLASH MIXED USE.
SO IT STARTS TO GET INTO THAT, THAT FLAVOR.
WE, WE KIND OF SEE IT AS THIS BROAD OVERVIEW OF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE OVERALL CHARACTER WITH EAT A BIT.
IT MEANS IT COULD STILL MEAN THAT THERE ARE MORE DENSE NODES.
SO IT'S KIND OF A, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE STARTING OUT THIS WAY.
AND THEN WHEN YOU GET INTO THE ZONING AND ACTUAL DEVELOPMENTS, YOU'RE KIND OF FOCUSING IN, BUT I WILL JUST SAY, I, I AM, I AM NERVOUS AND HESITANT TO SAY THAT THE GROWTH BOUNDARIES WE'RE GOING TO KEEP TIGHTENING THEM IN, JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE SEEN SUBURBAN AND PRETTY AGGRESSIVE DENSITIES IN THE RURAL AREAS OF CERTAIN PARTS OF OUR, OF OUR NORTHERN UBER COUNTY AREA.
UM, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE GROWTH PROJECTIONS FOR THE NEXT 20 OR 30 YEARS, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO CAPTURE THAT GROWTH SOMEWHERE.
BUT I THINK PHILOSOPHICALLY, HOW DO WE CONTINUE TO SORT OF PACK IN THE DENSITY WITHIN OUR EXISTING URBAN AREAS WHILE WORKING DILIGENTLY TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THIS GREEN BELT.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE CONVERSATION WHEN YOU HAVE A CITY AND, AND ALL OF US COME IN, RIGHT? SO WE NEED TO BE FOCUSED ON INTERNALLY TO OUR, OUR AREA AS WELL.
I THINK THE SEABROOK SHELDON AREA, HOW DO WE WORK HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT REMAINS RULE OVER TIME AND THEN JUST HAVE REALLY REMARKABLE CONNECTIVITY AMONG THE URBAN DENSE AREAS.
BUT THAT'S A TOUGH CONFERENCE TO THE DENSITY.
CONVERSATION'S A TOUGH ONE TO HAVE WITH RESIDENTS, RIGHT? YEAH.
THAT'S A FOUR LETTER WORD, RIGHT.
HOW MANY YEARS DID IT TAKE TO GET THE FIRST THING, THE DEBATES ON THE DEFINITION OF RURAL? IT WENT FASTER THAN, THAN WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE MOVED PRETTY QUICK BACK THEN.
I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO TAKE MUCH LONGER.
I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO TAKE MUCH LONGER.
MAYBE YOU AND I WERE INVOLVED WITH THAT.
I WAS SURPRISED I WAS REALLY SURPRISED TO THE GROUP THAT CAME TOGETHER.
REALLY KNEW THAT SOMETHING HAD TO BE DONE.
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PEOPLE WANTED TO MOVE, THAT WE WANTED TO MOVE ME ON.AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF, LIKE I SAID, THIS A LOT OF GOOD CAME OUT OF THIS, UH, THE CONVERSATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT SOMEBODY COMES FORWARD AND WHO DO THEY TALK TO? I THINK THAT MODEL HAS WORKED ALMOST FALSELY SINCE IT WAS PUT IN PLACE WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY PASSES THEM TO THE CITY AND THE CITY TALKS TO THEM.
IF IT DOESN'T WORK OUT, WE GET THEM RIGHT BACK INTO THE COUNTY.
IT HASN'T DELAYED ANY DEVELOPERS.
I'VE NEVER HEARD ANY DEVELOPERS BEING ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT THAT.
UH, SAT ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION DURING THE WHOLE TIME THAT THAT WAS HAPPENING.
AND THERE WAS NEVER LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST KEPT TALKING TO MY BALL BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN TWO JURISDICTIONS.
IT WAS REAL QUICK DECISIONS WERE MADE AND WE MOVED THE DEVELOPER ALONG.
AND I DON'T WANT TO LOSE THAT ASPECT OF IT THOUGH.
THE BOUNDARY IS GOING TO BE A TOUGH CONVERSATION IN THE CITY, UH, WITH THE LADY'S ISLAND PLAN HAS THE BIGGEST, UM, I THINK IT HAS THE BIGGEST VOICE IN THIS AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT MOVING A LOT IN PORT ROYAL.
SO BATTERY WAS, SO WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO MOVE THIS CONVERSATION FORWARD.
THIS IS MEANING THAT WE NEED TO REVISIT, OR MAYBE NOT REVISIT, BUT JUST, UH, UM, HAVE, UH, TAKE THE TIME TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THE, UH, UH, GROWTH BOUNDARIES BASED ON THE, UH, NORTHERN REGIONAL PLAN IS, OR WAS THEN, AND WHAT IT'S PROJECTED TO BE.
AND WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO MOVE THAT FORWARD.
I MEAN, IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE INTER-GOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT IS A PRETTY SOLID DOCUMENT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN DO IS JUST LOOK THROUGH IT AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE LATEST LANGUAGE, BECAUSE I MEAN, WHEN THAT WAS ADOPTED THE COUNTY, WE HAD OUR OLD SENDING AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ORDINANCE.
SO THERE MAY BE THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE AS SIMPLE AS JUST SCRUBBING THE LANGUAGE IN THERE AND, YOU KNOW, ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THE GROWTH BOUNDARIES ARE WORKING, YOU KNOW, AS THEY ARE, BUT, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTIONS LIKE, SHOULD WE REVISIT A SHARED FUTURE LAND USE MAP? SHOULD WE KIND OF TAKE A BETTER LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE COUNTY WE HAVE IN ADDITION TO KIND OF AN OVERALL FUTURE LAND USE FRAMEWORK, WE, UH, IDENTIFY PLACE TYPES.
YOU KNOW, THIS AREA SHOULD DEVELOP INTO A WALKABLE COMMUNITY AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BUILDING ON WHAT WE HAVE THERE TO, TO, TO FURTHER REFINE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHAT OUR VISION IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN, WHAT GROWTH OCCURS WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES.
UM, YEAH, I, IT'S A PART OF ME SAYS, YOU KNOW, THE EXERCISE OF ALL OF US GETTING IN A ROOM AND REALLY LOOKING AT THE NORTHERN REGIONAL PLAN AND KNOW MODIFYING IT SO THAT IT REFLECTS SORT OF OUR MATURED VIEW OF PLACEMAKING WOULD BE A VALUABLE EXERCISE.
THE OTHER PART OF ME SAYS WE'RE ALL WORKING ON OUR COMP PLANS RIGHT NOW, AND THOSE THINGS I HOPE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, SHOULD IT NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT EXERCISE.
SO IF THE RISK OF DUPLICATION, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT A PROCESS.
WELL, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE RIGHT PROCESS.
I DO THINK WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS SORT OF INDEPENDENTLY.
UM, AND TO ME, I THINK THE GROWTH BOUNDARIES WHERE THE GROWTH BOUNDARIES, OTHER THAN THE LADY'S ISLAND CONCESSION, I MEAN, I'LL JUST BE CANDID, YOU KNOW, POLITICALLY I'M HOLDING OUT A LOT BECAUSE I REALLY WANT TO SEE THE COUNTY PASSED THE DAMN PHIL ORDINANCE AND THE OVERLAYS.
I THINK THOSE ARE IMPORTANT, UM, ESPECIALLY THE OVERLAY, BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS THE FIRST SORT OF ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF SEA LEVEL RISE AND OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO NOTIFY FOLKS.
UM, I GUESS IT'S BEEN KICKED BACK TO NATURAL RESOURCES.
UM, AND THAT'S MAYBE WHERE ALL OF US NEEDED TO PARTICIPATE A LITTLE BIT MORE TO HELP GET IT OVER THE, GET IT OVER THE HILL, MAYBE, UH, THIS GROUP, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE CERTAINLY HAVE HAD OUR, UH, WE MAY WANT TO LOOK AT HOW WE MOVE THAT FORWARD AND MAYBE THIS GROUP MIGHT BE A GOOD INSTRUMENT TO DO THAT.
I TOTALLY REMEMBER THIS GROUP ENDORSING THAT A WHILE BACK.
WE HAVE SHORT-TERM MEMORY LOSS AND YEAH, WELL, WE DID THAT.
WE ALL DID DO THAT TOO, BUT WHERE THEY HAVE MORE OF A LEADERSHIP.
WELL, I THINK FOR THE POLICY MAKERS, RIGHT.
I, YOU KNOW, GIVE THEM STAFFS A LOT OF CREDIT BECAUSE I THINK YOU GUYS KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING.
IT'S THE POLICY MAKERS, YOU'VE GOT TO DRAG IT ALONG WITH YOU.
UM, BUT, BUT TO THAT POINT, I ALSO THINK THERE'S A NEED FOR A DEEPER, A DEEPER CONVERSATION ABOUT LAND USE AND FORM-BASED CODE AND MIXED USE, AND THE THICKENING UP OF EXISTING URBAN AREAS WHILE WORKING DILIGENTLY TO PROTECT THE GREEN BELT.
AND I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK A LOT OF US IN ELECTED OFFICE REALLY SORT OF UNDERSTAND THOSE DYNAMICS, UNDERSTAND WHY LIMITED SETBACKS AND DOING THINGS DIFFERENTLY THAN WE HAVE FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS
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AROUND AUTOCENTRIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS AND HAVING TO CHANGE THAT AND BOTH OUR PROCESSES AND THE PHILOSOPHY OF OUR DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY IS SO DAMN IMPORTANT.WE'RE NOT QUITE, WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE YET.
UM, AND I, AND I, THE CITIES, YOU KNOW, CITY POLICY WERE IN THE SAME POSITION.
WE DON'T HAVE THE DEEP UNDERSTANDING THAT WE NEED ABOUT HOW WE MANAGE AND BALANCE GROWTH OVER THE NEXT 20 TO 30 YEARS.
AND SO SOME MECHANISM FOR US TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AS A REGION, I THINK IS, WOULD BE VERY VALUABLE FOR US.
EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID AT THE TABLE, I DO THINK WE NEED TO REVISIT IT.
YES, WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, BUT THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, THE NORTHERN REGION REGIONAL PLAN AND HOW THAT INTEGRATES OR WORKS WITH THOSE, IT HAS TO BE A SEPARATE CONVERSATION AND IT MAY CHANGE SOME OF THOSE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS A LITTLE BIT, UH, ONCE THAT DISCUSSION IS HAPPENING, I KNOW THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, JUST LOOKING AT, UH, LADY'S ISLAND, UH, THE WAY I HAVE BEEN, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE BROUGHT INTO QUESTION ABOUT, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, THE NORTHERN RACHAEL PLAN AS IT WAS SET UP AND HOW IT REALLY, UH, IS BECOMING IMPLEMENTED AND HOW, HOW THAT PLAYS OUT, UM, IN THE ACTUAL MORE DETAILED PLANNING OF A SMALL AREA.
SO, UM, YEAH, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN.
I, UH, I'M NOT SURE, UM, WHERE THERE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO HAVING FINALIZATION ON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO OBVIOUSLY THAT PROBABLY OUGHT TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT, UM, A DISCUSSION RELATIVE TO THIS, UH, I THINK WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA AND, AND BRINGING MORE EXPERTISE INTO THE ROOM AS, UH, MAYOR MURRAY HAS ALREADY SAID, UM, TO HELP DEAL WITH THE IMPLICATIONS OF WHAT SOME OF THAT, UM, WHAT SOME OF THAT IS AND WHAT IT BECOMES WOULD BE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
YOU KNOW, GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF LADIES AND I, WHEN I WAS THINKING ABOUT LADIES ON PLAN, WE'VE GOT 6,000 PLUS RESIDENTIAL UNITS TODAY, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT AN ADDITIONAL 8,000 MORE THAN DOUBLE THE POPULATION OF LAKE ISLAND IN THE NEXT 20 TO 30 YEARS.
AND THEN THINK ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION ISSUES WE HAVE THAT ARE EXISTING, BUT WHAT WE'VE DONE IN, IN SORT OF THE NORTHERN REGIONAL PLAN, AND MAYBE EVEN OUR, OUR COMP PLANS IS TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING NORTH OF BRICKYARD POINT IS, IS, IS WHAT IT IS.
BUT IF WE LOOKED AT THE RESIDENTIAL DENSITIES THAT ARE APPROVED THERE, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE EXPLOSIVE RESIDENTIAL GROWTH IN THAT RURAL PART, THE LADY'S ISLAND.
WELL, WHERE ARE THOSE PEOPLE GOING TO GO TO DO THEIR GROCERY SHOPPING AND TO GO TO COFFEE SHOPS AT THE EAT AND RESTAURANTS.
SO DO WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT, ARE THERE CERTAIN PARTS OF LADY'S ISLAND SIMILAR TO THE CORNERS, MAYBE IN ST.
HELENA WHERE VERY LIMITED COMMERCIAL IS APPROPRIATE? AND I KNOW FOR SOME RESIDENTS, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE A POPULAR CONVERSATION, BUT, YOU KNOW, AT THE MIDDLE AND BRICKYARD POINT INTERSECTION, IS THAT A PLACE WHERE A COFFEE SHOP AND A RESTAURANT AND A BODEGA COULD, COULD GO TO HELP LIMIT, LIMIT CAR TRIPS ACROSS THE ISLAND.
SO IT'S FUNNY THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT BECAUSE THAT THERE IS A LITTLE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS ON THAT CORNER CORNER.
NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVITY CENTER, I THINK, IS THE NAME COMMUNITY, COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL THE WAY IT'S, BUT THAT WAS ENVISIONED IN 2000.
AND IT'S INTERESTING, BUT I AGREE.
I THINK EVENTUALLY I WOULD SAY WHEN I MOVED TO BEAVER COUNTY, I LIVED IN NORTHERN LADY SILENT FOR THREE MONTHS BEFORE I BOUGHT A HOUSE IN PORT ROYAL, BECAUSE IT WAS FIVE MILES TO GO ANYWHERE, YOU KNOW? AND I, I THINK THAT EVENTUALLY HAVING MORE SERVICES UP THERE IS GOING TO BE BENEFICIAL IN THE RESIDENCE.
AND SO I'D MAKE THE SAME ARGUMENT SORT OF IN NORTHERN THE NORTHERN PART OF RURAL ISLAND.
YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE'VE SORT OF SAID ALL THE RESIDENTIAL WE'RE GOING TO GO UP THERE AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL THE COMMERCIAL DOWN HERE, BUT THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT MOVE UP THERE, SHOULD THEY BE MORE MIXED USE AND COMPACT AND HAVE THE ABILITY FOR EMPLOYMENT, RETAIL AND HOUSING ALL WITHIN.
SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE ALL ACROSS THE DAMN ISLAND TO GET TO A GROCERY STORE.
AND I'M NOT SURE IF OUR, IF OUR ZONING IS REFLECTIVE OF THOSE GOALS TODAY, I THINK OUR PLANNING DOCUMENTS GET THERE, BUT I'M THIS OUT BECAUSE OF THE ZONING AND THE DESIGN STANDARDS, DO THEY, DO THEY MATCH BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD.
WE CAN HAVE THESE GREAT VISIONS ALL DAY LONG, BUT IF THE REGULATORY FRAMEWORK DOESN'T ALIGN.
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CAN WE, UH, KEEP THIS DISCUSSION, I GUESS, GOING TO, WE GET TO A DECISION AS TO HOW AND WHAT WE PUT TOGETHER FOR, UH, A REPRESENTATIVE OF TEAM OR GROUP, UH, TO HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS TAKE A LOOK AT THE NORTHERN REGIONAL PLAN.ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS, SEEING NONE WE'LL MOVE ON, UM,
[8. PRIORITIZED LIST OF ACTION ITEMS 2021 ]
BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A FORUM, UH, AND AS WE'VE DONE IN THE LAST FEW MEETINGS, UH, THIS, UH, PRIORITIZATION LIST THAT WE HAVE, I WOULD JUST ASK IF THERE'S ANYTHING ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP ON THIS LIST AT THIS POINT, UH, FOR INFORMATION OR INPUT, UH, GO AHEAD AND DO THAT RATHER THAN GOING THROUGH ALL OF THESE ITEMS. CAUSE A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING ON SOME OF THESE ITEMS ARE NOT IN YOU'RE LIKE THE M MENTIONED A LOCAL OPTION SALES TAX THAT'S OKAY.UM, SO THE MUNICIPALITIES HAVE HIRED A, UM, AFFIRM A PROFESSIONAL ARM TO HELP US, UH, WITH, UH, GETTING THE WORD OUT TO CONSTITUENTS ABOUT THE LOCAL OPTION SALES TAX AND WHAT IT MEANS.
AND THE SORT OF THE MAIN MECHANISM I HAD SPEED CALLED BOOST FOR BUFORD COUNTY.
UM, THE MAYORS ARE DOING SOME VIDEOS.
THERE'S SOME, OP-EDS, THERE'LL BE A WEBSITE THAT STOOD UP AND HOPEFULLY WITHOUT A CALCULATOR, SO FOLKS CAN UNDERSTAND THE REBATE IF IT WAS PASSED.
UM, AND SO YOU'LL START TO SEE SOME INFORMATION ROLL OUT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS AND, UH, JUST ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE COLLATERAL, UM, TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE, KIND OF A NEW TAXING MECHANISM THAT WE HAVEN'T HISTORICALLY HAD IN BEAVER COUNTY.
UM, AND TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE PROS AND CONS OF VOTING FOR IN NOVEMBER, NOVEMBER 2ND WAS GREAT.
I'D LIKE TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE BIKE PEG PLAN FOR EVERYBODY.
UM, SO THE FIRST ADOPTION WITHIN A MUNICIPALITY HAPPENED LAST MONTH, SEPTEMBER 14TH, THE BLUFFTON ADOPTED THE BIKE W FOR COUNTY CONDUCTED BY PLAN THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON SEPTEMBER 9TH, UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED IT.
SO MOVING THROUGH THE PROCESS, IT WILL BE BEFORE NATURAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE AT THE BEGINNING OF OCTOBER.
AND THEN, UM, OCTOBER IS GOING TO BE A REALLY BIG MONTH FOR IT.
SO THE CITY OF PORT ROYAL AND HILTON HEAD ARE ALL GOING TO SEE THAT COMING BEFORE COMMITTEES, UM, AND WORK SESSIONS AND COUNCILS OVER THAT MONTH.
AND THEN WE'RE WORKING ON SOME FINAL COORDINATION WITH HILTON HEAD, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PATHWAYS LISTEN ON HILTON, HEAD TIMELINES FOR THEIR UPDATES TO THEIR CIO, ALL OF THAT.
JUST WANTED TO GIVE THAT UPDATE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE ACTION ITEMS AT THIS TIME? ALL RIGHT.
I, SORRY, I DON'T HAVE MY SECOND.
NAH, NOTHING ON MY MIND WITH THE GROUP THAT'S HERE.
I DON'T WANT TO WASTE TIME THINGS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE OKAY.
[10. THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR FRIDAY, OCTOBER 22, 2021, 9:30 A.M. ADDITIONAL DETAILS WILL BE PROVIDED PRIOR TO THE OCTOBER MEETING DATE. ]
MEETING IS FOR OCTOBER THE 22ND AND I HOPE WE AT LEAST GET WELL.UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN INTEREST RISE AND WHERE WE ARE AND WHAT WE'RE DOING.
I KNOW THAT'S A TOUGH DAY FOR ME, BUT AS ALWAYS, WHEN I'M NOT HERE, I MAKE SURE ONE OF MY COUNCIL MEMBERS TAKE MY SEAT AND I WILL BE CERTAIN ABOUT THAT AGAIN.
JERRY'S ALWAYS BEEN GREAT TO SEE, UM, GETTING PEOPLE MAYBE INSTEAD OF JUST SENDING THEM THE PACKAGE OR THE NOTICE IN ANOTHER WEEK OR TWO, MAYBE HAVE THE CHAIRMAN OR ALL OF, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN INVOLVED REGULARLY ON THE COMMITTEE, SEND A LETTER, SEND AN EMAIL OUT TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T BEEN SHOWING UP AND DISCUSS THE CHALLENGES AND THE REAL THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE DONE RATHER THAN JUST SENDING OUT AN AGENDA AND HOPING IT'LL, YOU KNOW, GET PEOPLE INTERESTED, BUT MAYBE IT'S TIME FOR LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING, THEY GO OUT FROM THE CHAIRMAN AND SOME OF THE MEMBERS TO SAY, LOOK, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THESE REALLY IMPORTANT THINGS WE'VE GOT TO DEAL WITH AND WE NEED CORMS AND WE NEED INVOLVEMENT FROM YOUR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER JURISDICTION OR ORGANIZATION YOU'RE
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WITH.UH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA TOO.
UM, I WOULD JUST HOPE I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.
I FEEL A RESPONSIBILITY OBVIOUSLY AS CHAIRMAN, BUT UH, ANYBODY THAT'S A MEMBER ON ANY OF THE BOARDS? UM, I THINK WE ALL NEED TO FEEL RESPONSIBILITY TOWARDS THAT.
AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY HAVE MULTIPLE RESPONSIBILITIES AND IF THEY THINK, WELL, THIS ONE IS JUST SITTING AROUND TALKING AND OTHERS HAVE TO GO AND ACTUALLY MAKE DECISIONS, BUT TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THINGS ARE COMING UP.
AND EVEN THOUGH WE'LL START WITH DISCUSSIONS BEFORE DECISIONS ARE MADE NEED TO BE HERE AND TAKE PART.
AND I MEAN TO ASSUME THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DO THE RIGHT THING ALL THE TIME, IT WAS GIVES YOU.
THERE'S ALWAYS THE CONVERSATION THAT THEY TAUGHT MR. WRONG.
TODD, IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S THE ISSUE AT THIS POINT, THEN WE NEED TO KNOW THAT THAT'S THE ISSUE.
AND THAT MAY BE THAT MAY SPARK ENOUGH CONVERSATION ALONE TO SAY WE HAVEN'T HAD A QUORUM IN THIS MENU SINCE MAY, IS THE DATE TIME, THE WRONG DATE AND TIME I'LL THROW OUT.
AND SO I HAD A LITTLE GRACE FOR SUMMERS FRIDAYS FOR US IN THE SUMMERS OR FOR DIFFICULT WITH VACATION SCHEDULES AND KIND OF LAID BACK A LITTLE BIT.
SO MAYBE I UNDERSTOOD IT BACK INTO THE NEW YEAR AND I'LL MAKE SURE, AT LEAST FROM THE CITY'S STANDPOINT, WE HAVE TWO MEMBERS, UH, NEXT MONTH AND WE'LL TRY TO STAY ON TOP.
IS IT TO THE LIST? I'M SURPRISED HE WAS NOT.
I DIDN'T LOOK TO SEE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROVIDED ABSOLUTELY UPDATE.
SO I KNOW THE, UM, THE CONSULTANTS AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE ALL BUFORD ARE WORKING ON SCHEDULING A JOINT COUNCIL MEETING.
UM, WE, WE TRY TO DO ONE EVERY QUARTER, BUT WITH COVID, WE'VE KIND OF FALLEN OFF OF THAT SCHEDULE.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET ONE BACK ON THE BOOKS AND WE'RE GOING TO ASK, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE GREENWAY TO COME AND GIVE A PRESENTATION.
UM, SO WE ARE, WE ARE TRYING TO MOVE THAT FORWARD AND REALLY UNDERSTAND THE RIGHT STRUCTURE OR PERSON AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE REGION.
SO I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO HEAR THAT.
UH, ON A SIDE NOTE, I'D LIKE TO GET TOGETHER WITH BOTH OF YOU AT SOME POINT IN TIME AND GO OVER THE PLANNING PROCESS THAT I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT ON LADY'S ISLAND AND GET SOME AIR INPUT TO IT AND KNOW HOW I FEEL.
I HAVE SOME NEW THINGS TO SHOW YOU THAT REGARDLESS THAT I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FUNDING OF THE CONSULTANT.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PLANNING WHERE WE ARE WITH THE PLANNING PROCESS RIGHT NOW, WE COULD POSSIBLY ADD THAT TO THE LIST, TO THE MEETING.
THIS STORY, I WAS LIKE, ALRIGHT, A MOTION FOR A GERMAN.