Sep 22, 2021 Town of Bluffton Planning Commission

AND DISREGARDING ADJOURNMENT, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL NOT HEAR NEW ITEMS AFTER NINE 30, UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS, PRESENT ITEMS, WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD BEFORE NINE 30 MAY BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OR ADDITIONAL MEETING DATE AS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS.

A NOTICE REGARDING PUBLIC COMMENTS, EVERY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO IS RECOGNIZED TO SPEAK SHALL ADDRESS THE CHAIRMAN AND, AND SPEAKING OF DISRESPECT TO THE BOARD TOWN STAFF, OR OTHER MEMBERS IN THE MEETING, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS.

AND SPEAKING FOR THE RECORD COMMENTS ARE LISTED TWO, THREE MINUTES.

ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA? NO, MA'AM OKAY.

MAY I HAVE THE AGENDA?

[III. ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA]

SO MOVED SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

FROM AUGUST THE 25TH? UM, MODIFICATION TO, OKAY.

UH, MAY I HAVE AN ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES

[IV. ADOPTION OF MINUTES]

UM, ITEM NUMBER TWO, ST.

ANDREW'S UM, KATHLEEN ACTUALLY RECUSED HERSELF, DIDN'T YOU? I DID.

AND, UH, IT SHOWS THAT SHE VOTED, SO SHE NEEDS TO BE SHOWN AS RECUSED.

THAT'S THE MOTION AND HAVE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION.

SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

OPPOSED.

NAMING APPLICATION REQUEST BY JOHN PAUL MOORE OF THOMAS AND HUTTON ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER, JACK MCSWEENEY OF K HOVNANIAN HOMES FOR APPROVAL OF STREET NAMING APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED 64 STREET NAMES THAT INCLUDE JASMINE WAY, B BOMB, IDLE WOOD, BALSAM, TERRORISTS, AND MISTY MOSS.

NOW WE ARE INTO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, UM, FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.

DARBY, DO WE HAVE ANY OF THOSE? NOPE.

YUP.

UM, DO WE HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS, NEW BUSINESS, FOUR SEASONS STREET

[VII.2. Four Seasons (Street Naming Application): A request by John Paul Moore of Thomas & Hutton on behalf of the owner, Jack McSweeney of K. Hovnanian Homes for approval of a Street Naming Application. The applicant has proposed 64 street names that include Jasmine Way, Bee Balm, Idlewood, Balsam Terrace and Misty Moss. The project is located within Four Seasons at Carolina Oaks identified by tax map numbers R614 036 000 0596 0000, R614 036 000 3372 0000 & R614 028 000 0002 0000. (STR-08-21-015750) (Staff- Will Howard)]

THE PROJECT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE FOUR SEASONS AT CAROLINA OAKS IDENTIFIED BY THE TAX MAP NUMBER IN YOUR PACKET WILL.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

YOU'VE COVERED SOME OF MY INTRODUCTION.

UM, SO I DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH THAT FOR THE REQUEST.

UM, SO I'M SURE ALL OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE DEVELOPMENT KNOWN AS, UH, CAROLINA OAKS.

MANY OF YOU ACTUALLY APPROVED, UM, THE PRELIMINARY PLAN, UM, FOR THE FIRST PHASE OF THAT DEVELOPMENT.

UM, AS THEY ARE PROCEEDING, THEY ARE GOING TO NEED MORE STREET NAMES AND WE ARE HERE TONIGHT FOR YOU TO REVIEW AND APPROVE, UH, REQUESTED NAMES THAT CAN BE USED FOR FUTURE PHASES, UM, OF THAT DEVELOPMENT.

UM, THE APPLICATION TOTAL APPLICATION LISTED, I THINK 64 NAMES.

THERE WERE SEVERAL THAT WERE, UM, DECLINED.

IF YOU WILL, FROM VARIOUS AGENCIES, WE SEND EVERY STREET NAME, IT GOES TO, UM, YOU FOR COUNTY 9, 1 1, IT GOES TO CITY OF BUFORD, PORT ROYAL.

IT GOES TO A TOWN OF HILTON HEAD AND BLUFFTON, AND THEY'RE ALL REVIEWED TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO DUPLICATION, UM, ANYWHERE WITHIN, WITHIN THE COUNTY.

UM, SO THESE ARE ALL OF THE NAMES THAT REMAIN, UH, UM, THAT ARE REQUESTED FOR APPROVAL OF THE ORIGINAL 64.

UM, I CAN READ THEM ALL INDIVIDUALLY, LIKE, UM, I CAN LOOK AT THEM, COME ON, MAKE THEM DO IT.

UM, BUT YES, WHO COMES UP WITH ALL THESE? WELL, EVERYBODY JUST PUT NAMES IN A HAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GETTING MORE AND MORE CHALLENGING TO GET STREET NAMES BECAUSE THEY ARE REVIEWED AGAINST EVERYWHERE IN BEAVER COUNTY.

UM, I KNOW THE FIRST ROUND, THE STREET NAMES FOR FOUR SEASON, THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED, YOU KNOW, THEY NEEDED FOUR NAMES.

I THINK THEY SUBMITTED SIX AND THEY ONLY GOT TWO APPROVED AND THEY HAD TO COME BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION IF YOU REMEMBER THAT.

UM, SO THIS TIME THEY SUBMITTED

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PROBABLY MORE THAN THEY WILL USE.

UM, BUT IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THOSE AVAILABLE, UM, KIND OF, I GUESS, THEY'RE, THEY CAN BE HELD FOR WHATEVER TIME TO BE USED IN THE DEVELOPMENT.

SO, SO A RELATED QUESTION TO THAT.

WHAT IF THE DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T USE THEM? DO THEY JUST KIND OF GO BACK? YEP.

IF THEY ARE, UM, THEY WOULD HAVE, I'M NOT HONESTLY NOT SURE OF THE ACTUAL, AND CAN YOU RESERVE THESE NAMES FOR ONE YEAR OR TWO YEARS OR ONCE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN APPROVED BY, BY PLANNING COMMISSION? TECHNICALLY THEY'VE ALL BEEN VETTED UNTIL THEY GET RECORDED AND USED.

THEY COULD BE USED AGAIN UNTIL THEY'RE DUPLICATED.

SO, UM, THERE'S ANOTHER, ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT WANTED GET BREEZY POINT AND PALM COVE APPROVED AND THEY USED IT BEFORE IT WAS THIS PROJECT RECORDED IT.

I WOULD ASSUME THAT THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.

UM, ANOTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS WITH THE, THERE WAS OBVIOUSLY THIS, THE FOUR THAT HAVE LIKE POINT COVE AVE WAY AND THE OTHER ONES WOULD DIDN'T HAVE THE STREET TYPE ASSOCIATED WITH THEM.

SO ARE WE, THIS IS JUST, THEY CAN TAKE ANY OF THOSE REPLACE REPLACE ANY OF THESE POINT COVE, AVE, WAY NAMES AS NEEDED.

SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE NAME LIKE BREEZY POINT OR PALM COVE.

THE OTHER ONE BE MOVED DOWN TO BE BOMB.

THEY CAN CHOOSE YOU'RE APPROVING THE NAME AND THEN THE APPLICANT CAN CHOOSE WHETHER IT'S STREET, ROAD, CIRCLE, LANE, WHATEVER FITS BEST WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND COMMISSION, THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY PURVIEW OVER THAT.

WE'RE JUST REVIEWING THE NAME ITSELF.

AND THAT'S WHAT YOU MEANT BY STREET TYPE REQUIRED? YES.

FOR THE LIST IS NOT USE FRIVOLOUS OR COMPLICATED WORDS OR UNCONVENTIONAL SPELLINGS OF THE BIGGEST ONE WE RUN INTO ARE NAMES, WHICH SOUNDED LIKE, OR MIGHT BE CONFUSED WITH ONE ANOTHER OR SOMETIMES, UH, THEY MIGHT BE CONSIDERED OFFENSIVE TO MAKE A MOTION.

WELL, AS WE TALKED TODAY ON THE PHONE, THERE IS A MULBERRY ROAD, UM, WITHIN THE GENERAL AREA AND IBUS CIRCLE, WHICH IS VERY CLOSE TO MULBERRY AVENUE.

I BURRIS.

UM, I'M WONDERING WHY THOSE DIDN'T GET KNOCKED DOWN BECAUSE CLEARLY WITH SECTION 3.153 B AND C, IT SAYS YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE THE FIRST NAMES THE SAME OR ANYTHING THAT SOUNDS SIMILAR IN BOTH MULBERRY.

AND SOUNDS VERY SIMILAR TO THOSE, THOSE TWO, RIGHT? UM, IN THAT CASE, AS WE HAD HAD TALKED EARLIER, WE JUST SEND THESE OUT FOR REVIEW FROM ALL THE VARIOUS AGENCIES.

IT COULD BE THAT AS A CONDITION ISN'T, THAT COULD BE THAT THEY SLIPPED THROUGH AND THEY DIDN'T RECOGNIZE THAT.

UM, SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE WHEN YOU MAKE A MOTION, YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, AND YOU CAN DECLINE ANY, ANY NAMES ON THE LIST.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE.

IT'S NOT ALL OR NOTHING AS FAR AS THIS LIST TO GO.

SO YOU'RE APPROVING EACH NAME INDIVIDUALLY ON THE LIST AND YOU CAN, IF YOU CHOOSE TO, UM, MAKE A MOTION TO EXCLUDE MULBERRY AND IRIS, BECAUSE YOU'RE AFRAID THAT THEY ARE TOO SIMILAR TO OTHER NAMES, AND THAT'S PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE.

AS I, AS I TALKED TO YOU ON THE PHONE TODAY IN, IN OUR DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S THREE STREETS THAT START WITH THE WORD ANCHOR, AND IT HAS CAUSED AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF CONFUSION WITH MAIL AND PACKAGES.

SO I'M KIND OF SENSITIVE TO IT, WHICH IS WHY I'D PROBABLY BE INCLINED FOR US TO DECLINE THOSE TWO NAMES.

I I'D RATHER ERR, ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION ANYWAYS, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD A SIMILAR, UM, I'M LOOKING AT THIS ONE TOO, AND IT JUST OCCURRED TO ME PALM COVE AND WE HAVE PALMETTO IN HAMPTON LAKE.

AND SO THAT COULD BE A POTENTIALLY CONFUSING.

I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP RICH.

SO AS I'M GOING TO MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE, SO, UM, YOUR ACTIONS, WHAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO HERE TONIGHT, YOU CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS IT IS SUBMITTED, APPROVE IT WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY IT AS SUBMITTED.

AND THERE ARE, UM, A THROUGH J OF CRITERIA THAT ARE LISTED IN YOUR PACKET, THAT TO BE CONSIDERED.

UM, OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS TO, UH, APPROVE ALL OF THE, THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED.

UM, BUT AGAIN, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO APPROVE THE APP.

YOU CAN'T APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS AND YOU CAN'T APPROVE LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM, IF YOU SO CHOOSE AND SAY, CAUSE THEY SOUND STUPID, THEY CAN, THAT'S CLOSE TO ONE OF THE CRITERIA

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I MOVED THAT CONSISTENT WITH THE UDL SECTION 3, 1 5 3 B AND 3, 1 5, 3 C THAT THE STREET NAMES OF MULBERRY AVENUE AND IBOR IS STREETS BE DELETED FROM THE LIST OF APPROVED NAMES, THE REST AND ACCEPT THE REST.

UM, CAN I GET A SECOND TO THE MOTION? UM, RON SECOND, UM, AND THEN CAN WE HAVE A DISCUSSION? DO I, IT JUST, THE ONLY THING I OCCURRED TO ME, PALM COVE, PALMETTO COVE, IT'S THE SAME MEANING, BUT I'M NOT BUYING INTO IT.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE I AGREE WITH YOU.

THEN I GUESS I WOULD, I WOULD MOVE TO AMEND THE ORIGINAL MOTION TO ADD PALM COVE TO THE, AS A THIRD RESTRICTED USE.

THEN DO I NEED A MOTION TO, FOR THE AMENDMENT OF, UM, SECOND HIS MOTION? YEP.

NEED TO SECOND CHARLIE.

CHARLIE'S MOTION SECOND IN IT.

SO NOW WE NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE.

OH NO, WE VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT.

THEN WE VOTE ON THE ORIGINAL AS A MAN AND WE JUST DO THAT.

KEVIN'S VOTED YET.

WE SECONDED IT.

MAY I GET A, UM, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

NOW I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION, A NEW MOTION FOR YOU CAN INCLUDE THE ORIGINAL MOTION.

THE ORIGINAL ONE IS NOW AMENDED.

SO NOW WE CAN VOTE ON THE ORIGINAL VOTE ON THE ORIGINAL ONE, WHICH INCLUDES THE AMENDMENT.

MAY I HAVE A MOTION? WE HAVE A MOTION.

MAY HAVE, UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

EIGHT BUCK WALTER COMMERCIAL PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN REQUEST BY PARCEL SEVEN EIGHT, LLC.

ANY OF THOSE DARN WE NEED TO ADD THIS TO THE LIST.

I WAS TALKING TO HER EARLIER ABOUT SOME PROCESSES THAT I GET CONFUSED ON.

OKAY, SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE SECOND THING, SORRY.

THAT WAS COMPLICATED.

UM, PARCEL SEVEN

[VII.3. Parcel 7A- Buckwalter Commercial (Preliminary Development Plan Application): A request by Parcel 7A, LLC for approval of a Preliminary Development Plan. The project consists of the development of a +/- 13, 150 square foot flex-space commercial retail building and associated utilities, parking, and vehicular/pedestrian circulation. The property is zoned Buckwalter Planned Unit Development and consists of 1.5 acres identified by tax map numbers R610 030 000 2003 0000, R610 030 000 2004 0000, R610 030 000 1857 0000. (DP-07-21-015624) (Staff- Will Howard)]

FOR APPROVAL OF YOUR PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

PROJECT CONSISTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF 13,150 SQUARE FEET OF FLEX SPACE, COMMERCIAL RETAIL BUILDING AND ASSOCIATED UTILITIES, PARKING AND VEHICULAR PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION.

THE PROPERTY IS ZONED BUCHALTER PLAN, UNIT DEVELOPMENT, AND CONSISTS OF 1.5 ACRES IDENTIFIED BY A TAX MAP NUMBERS IN YOUR PACKET AND KATHLEEN, YOU NEED TO RECUSE.

UM, AS YOU JUST STATED, THIS IS A, YOUR QUEST BY PARCEL SEVEN ALC FOR A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

UM, WE'VE GOT APPROXIMATELY 1300 SQUARE FEET OF FLEX SPACE, COMMERCIAL RETAIL BUILDING, UH, WITH ALL ASSOCIATED UTILITIES AND PARKING.

UH, MANY OF YOU WILL REMEMBER WE PRESENTED THIS, I BELIEVE IT WAS AT THE JUNE MEETING.

UM, SO HERE'S THE LOCATION.

SEE IF MY POINTER WILL WORK, YOU CAN SEE IN THE RED SQUARE HERE.

YEP.

UM, OFF OF BUCKWALTER TOWN'S BOULEVARD, I'VE GOT A LITTLE ENLARGEMENT HERE AND THEN, UM, I MAY HAVE PROVIDED COPY OF THE BUCK, WALTER COMMONS PHASE ONE MASTER PLAN, UH, JUST SHOWING THAT, UM, COMMERCIAL AND MIXED USE, UM, IS A PERMITTED ALLOWED USE, UH, FOR THE PARCEL.

UH, SO AGAIN, THIS IS 1300 ROUGHLY SQUARE FEET OF FLEX SPACE.

UM, THE APPLICATION IS SUBJECT TO THE STANDARDS AND THE BUCK, WALTER PED CONCEPT PLAN DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND PHASE ONE MASTER PLAN.

UH, YOU WILL REMEMBER, UM, A PRELIMINARY PLAN FOR THE SAME PARCEL THAT PROPOSED ONLY FILLING GRADING AND LEVELING OF THE PARCEL WAS PRESENTED AT THE JUNE 23RD MEETING THAT, UH, APPLICATION WAS DENIED AS IT WAS LACKING SOME OF THE REQUIRED APPLICATION MATERIALS.

UM, THE APPLICANT PRESENTED A NEW APPLICATION.

UM, IT WAS SUBMITTED JULY 20TH, REVIEWED

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AUGUST 25TH BY THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE.

UM, AND THE APPLICANT HAS SUBSEQUENTLY PROVIDED RESUBMITTAL MATERIALS TO SATISFY THOSE COMMENTS PROVIDED BY THE DRC.

AND THERE'S THE MASTER PLAN.

THERE'S A SITE PLAN, UM, THAT IS PROPOSED, UH, FOR THE SITE.

AGAIN, YOU CAN JUST SEE HERE'S THE BUILDING.

UM, GOT IT BROKEN INTO WHAT SEVEN I THINK OR SO POSSIBLE TENANT SPACES.

UM, PARKING THAT SATISFIES THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PED FOR THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND USE HAVE A CONCEPT LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT WAS ALSO PROVIDED SHOWING THE INTENT TO LANDSCAPE THE PROPERTY.

SO AS TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE PED AND THE, UH, MASTER PLAN, AND I BELIEVE IF I DID NOT INCLUDE IT, I BELIEVE YOU DID HAVE, DID YOU HAVE LIGHTING THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED OR YOU HAD YOUR NARRATIVE, THE NARRATIVE STATED THAT THEY WOULD PROVIDE LIGHTING.

SO AS TO BE COMPLIANT WITH THE PUD REQUIREMENTS, UM, JUST AN AERIAL PHOTO SHOWING, UM, THE PARCEL HAS ALREADY BEEN PRIMARILY CLEARED AT CURRENTLY CONSISTS OF THE THREE PARCELS THAT YOU SEE HERE, THOSE THREE PARCELS.

AND IF YOU REMEMBER, YOU'VE GOT SIX CRITERIA THAT YOU'LL BE REVIEWING FOR A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

UM, I CAN GO THROUGH EACH ONE, UM, INDIVIDUALLY, UM, BUT AGAIN, THE PROPERTY IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE UTO.

IT'S SUBJECT TO, UM, BUCK WALTER PUD CONCEPT PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

UM, OUR ONLY FINDING, UM, AS FAR AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL AND IT'S NOT EVEN A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, IT'S JUST A NOTATION, UM, THAT AS THE, THE, THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY EXISTS, UH, AS THREE SEPARATE LOTS, THE PROPOSED BUILDING, UH, IS PLACED ACROSS, UM, TWO LOTS WITH A PROPERTY LINE IT'S GOING THROUGH THE BUILDING.

SO AN EXEMPT PLAT TO RELOCATE THE PROPERTY LINES, BASICALLY A RECOMBINATION PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF ANY DEVELOPMENT PERMIT WOULD BE REQUIRED BECAUSE WE CAN'T HAVE PROPERTY LINES GOING THROUGH THE BUILDING.

UM, THAT'S A SIMPLE PROCESS APPROVED AT A STAFF LEVEL.

SO, UM, TIA WAS PROVIDED WITH THE, UH, BUCKWALTER PD.

AND AGAIN, WITH THE MASTER PLAN, ALL UTILITIES ARE IN PLACE OR WILL BE PROVIDED, UM, AS AT THE TIME OF DEVELOPMENT.

UM, IT'S PROPOSED TO BE COMPLETED IN A SINGLE PHASE AND STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND DETERMINED THAT IT IS, UH, COMPLETE.

SO AGAIN, TONIGHT YOU CAN APPROVE THIS APPLICATION AS IT IS SUBMITTED, YOU CAN APPROVE IT WITH CONDITIONS OR YOU CAN DENY THE APPLICATION, UM, SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANTS.

STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE APPLICATION BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.

UM, I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS, UM, AT THE PROPERTY OWNER AS WELL AS THE, UH, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS, UH, THAT DID SOME SITE PLANNING, UM, AS WELL HERE FOR QUESTIONS, AS WE LIKE TO SAY, ALL RIGHT, NOW, OPEN IT UP, GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN HERE.

UM, WELL, IS THERE A REQUIREMENT THOUGH, OF NOTIFICATION TO THE ADJACENT HOMES THAT SURROUND THIS PROPERTY? HAS THAT BEEN DONE OR IS THAT NOT A REQUIREMENT HERE? NO, THAT WAS, THAT WAS DONE ON THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION.

UM, SO YEAH, THEY WERE, AND IN THIS CASE, I THINK ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS MR. ZEN OWNS SOME OF HIS PROPERTY, I THINK LEGAL OWNS AND ADJACENT PROPERTY.

AND THEN THERE'S THE POA THAT HAD TO BE NOTIFIED AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN IT.

AND THE POA HAS BEEN NOTIFIED BY QUALTER TOWNS.

WE DON'T NOTIFY A RADIUS LIKE WE DID FOR, YOU KNOW, ZONING APPLICATION OR SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES EVERYONE WITHIN A CERTAIN RADIUS.

UM, INDIVIDUAL TOWN HALL MONITORS BEEN NOTIFIED.

OH, THE, THE REQUIREMENT OF THE VIDEO IS JUST THAT WE NOTICED WE NOTIFY THAT THE, THE, THE, THE POA OR THE HOA, AND THEN IT'S UP TO THEM TO NOTIFY THE RESIDENTS.

AND, AND FOR WHEN WE NOTIFY FOR DEVELOPMENT, WE NOTIFY ONLY ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.

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THIS IS STRICTLY ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.

I JUST HAVE A SMALL QUESTION.

THE LANDSCAPE PLAN DOESN'T MATCH THE ENGINEERED SITE PLAN THAT AN ISSUE OR, AND THE BIG THING IS SCREENING THE PARKING LOT FROM THE ENTRY ROAD ENGINEER'S PLAN ROOM TO DO THAT ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.

THERE'S NO ROOM TO DO THAT, BUT ON THE ENGINEER'S PLAN, THEY HAVE SIDEWALK RIGHT UP AGAINST THE BUILDING.

AND I THINK IF I REMEMBER THE PUD, YOU HAVE TO HAVE LANDSCAPE AROUND THE BUILDING, WHICH LANDSCAPES SHARES.

SO JUST TRYING TO HIT THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

WELL, WHAT WE, WHAT WE BRING IS WE JUST ASKED FOR A CONCEPTUAL LANDSCAPE PLAN BECAUSE IT'S NOT REQUIRED RIGHT.

UNTIL FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

UM, JUST, JUST SHOWING THAT YES, THEY COULD, THEY COULD MEET THE INTENT AND THE REQUIREMENTS OF, OF THE PDD.

UM, SO IF IT DOESN'T MATCH EXACTLY, UM, STAFF WILL ADDRESS THE ENGINEER'S SITE PLAN AND THE LANDSCAPE PLAN BOTH AT THE TIME OF FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

UM, I DUNNO, I MAY BE, I WISH WE HAD OUR ATTORNEY HERE SO HE CAN TELL ME IF I WAS OVERSTEPPING, UM, TOM I'M DOWN HERE FOR A LONG TIME.

WE'RE FRIENDS.

I LIKE, YEAH, I HAVE TO CALL IT.

BELLE CAME BEFORE US THREE MONTHS AGO WITH A REQUEST TO KNOCK DOWN ALL THE TREES AS PER WHAT WERE THE GUIDELINES WAY BACK WHEN WITH NO PLANS TO PUT ANYTHING ON HERE.

AND NOW TWO MONTHS LATER, YOU HAVE PLANS TO PUT SOMETHING ON HERE FORWARD TO WHERE YOUR, WHEN IT COMES STEP UP.

SO WE CAN HEAR YOU ON RECORD.

I'M TRYING TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF IT.

I DON'T WANT STATE YOUR NAME.

SO WE HAVE IT ON RECORD.

TOM'S IN A BACKWATER COMMERCIAL, AND ALSO THE POA AND SO FORTH.

UM, WHAT HAPPENS ON THESE SITES LIKE THIS? THERE HAS TO BE A GRADING THAT TAKES PLACE.

YOU HAVE TO PUT IN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FILL MONTH, MANY, YOU KNOW HOW THIS WORKS, WHAT OCCURS YOU TAKE THE TREES DOWN AND THEN YOU BRING NEW TREES IN.

AND THEN THE NEW TREES IS WHAT SHOWS UP ON A LANDSCAPE PLAN.

SO FOR WASHINGTON SQUARE, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY KIND OF DID EVERYTHING IN TERMS OF ALL THE TREES WE USUALLY SELL.

WE USUALLY SAVE SOME TREES IF THEY CAN'T BE SAVED, BUT WE DO THAT IN THE FIELD.

AND WE'LL, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE MEET, YOU KNOW, WE'LL MEET OUT IN THE FIELD AND WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT TREES AND WE'LL DO ALL THAT TYPE OF THING.

BUT IN THIS SIDE, IT NEEDS TO BE RAISED.

KNOW, THE PROBLEM IN, IN, I THINK IT'S PROBLEM, BUT YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY, I'M NOT GOING TO ADDRESS IT, UH, AS BEING A PROBLEM IS THAT THERE IS NO GRADING PERMIT PER SE, IN THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON.

AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT, THEN WHAT OCCURS IS THAT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT YOU SEE, AREN'T THE TREES THAT ARE ACTUALLY OUT THERE.

THOSE TREES ARE ACTUALLY TREES THAT WE BRING IN AND WE PLANT AND SO FORTH.

NOW WE HAVE ACTUALLY RELOCATED TREES, I GUESS.

NO, NO, I, I GET ALL THAT.

WHAT, WHAT I'M WONDERING IS THERE, WASN'T A PLAN FOR A BUILDING ON THIS SITE, AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, TWO MONTHS LATER THERE IS WHICH WE WILL ACCOMPLISH BEING ABLE TO DO WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO DO TWO MONTHS AGO.

I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

YEAH, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, A STEP IN THE PROCESS IS, YOU KNOW, TO DO THE GRADING AND SO FORTH.

AND, AND, AND, AND THE TREES THAT YOU SEE HERE, UM, OUR TREES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE, UM, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN OF THE FINISHED PRODUCT, MAKING THE TREES DONE IS A STEP NECESSARY TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE YOU CAN REPLANT THE TREES TO HAVE THEM GROW.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT.

I THINK THE QUESTION IS, IS HOW DID IT CHANGE FROM YOU WANTED TO JUST A GRADING PLAN TO NOW HAVING A COMPLETE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, BECAUSE EVEN LIKE A FEW MONTHS AGO, YOU DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

THE CONCEPT OF THE SHOVEL-READY, YOU KNOW, UH, FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, MATTER OF FACT, THERE WAS A STUDY BEING DONE RIGHT NOW BY JOHN ATOLL AND EVERYONE ELSE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, HOW THIS ALL SHOULD BE WORKING TOGETHER AND SO FORTH.

AND I'D ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE A LOOK AT THE STUDY.

THAT'S BEING PREPARED, WE'VE BEEN INTERVIEWED AND TALKED TO CARLITO AND GOD, GOD, WHO CHARLIE, YOU PROBABLY KNOW FROM THE, FOR CHANGER CHAMBER, WHO'S ACTUALLY HEADING UP THAT'S, UH, THAT'S, UH, THAT WHOLE STUDY AND THAT WHOLE EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON RELATED TO THAT.

SO, YOU KNOW, UM, AS WITH ANY DEVELOPMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO START WITH, THROUGH A SERIES OF PROCESS TO GET TO THE FINAL PRODUCT.

AND, YOU

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UM, THIS IS VERY RARE TO NOT HAVE A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE A GRADING PERMIT, NOT, UM, IN A TOWN, UH, FIRST TIME A CROP WENT AND RAN ACROSS IT IN 50 YEARS, FRANKLY, UH, WITH BEING IN 12 STATES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO RATHER THAN, UH, ARGUE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A GRADING PERMIT OR NOT HAVE A GRADING PERMIT, OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS A LONG HISTORY OF HAVING GRADING ONLY PERMITS SCATTERED THROUGHOUT ALL OF BLUFFTON.

WE BASICALLY DECIDED, YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST GO AND DO EXACTLY WHAT IS REQUIRED PER THE PROCEDURE, YOU KNOW, AND WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS TO BASICALLY GO PER THE BOOK EVERY ELEMENT OF THE WAY, AND RATHER THAN JUST GOING IN FOR A GRADING PERMIT, WE'RE GOING IN FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.

AND NOT ONLY INCLUDES THE SIX CONDITIONS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION PLACED ON OUR APPLICATION, BUT OVER AND ABOVE THE SIX CONDITIONS, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE DRC PROCESS AND SO FORTH, THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT TAKE PLACE.

SO YOU SEE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, EVEN THOUGH A LANDSCAPE PLAN IS NOT REQUIRED FOR THIS PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, BUT WE WENT THE EXTRA STEP TO DO NOT ONLY THAT, WHICH IS REQUIRED, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT ARE OVER AND ABOVE WHAT'S REQUIRED.

AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.

WE JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND, I GUESS, THE TIMING AND WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WAS BETWEEN THEN AND NOW, BUT IT'S JUST BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT APPLICATION OF A GRADING PERMIT.

EXACTLY.

AND SO, BUT GOING FORWARD, YOU STILL HAVE TO DO A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN BEFORE YOU GET ANY PERMITTING TO DO ANYTHING WE'RE DOING EXACTLY THE WAY FOR THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PANEL BLUFF.

SO THIS IS HOLDING YOU TO A HIGHER STANDARD ON THIS PROPERTY.

SO AFTER, UM, THIS PLANT PRELIMINARY APPROVAL, UM, THE APPLICANT WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH APPROVAL AND STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL BEFORE WE WOULD PROVIDE ANY PERMIT TO DO ANY LAND DISTURBANCE.

THAT'D BE JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.

THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAVE, AND IT'S, IT MAY BE A SMALL THING, BUT, UM, I KNOW THIS IS PRELIMINARY, BUT WHERE THE DUMPSTER IS LOCATED BACKS UP TO WHERE THE TOWNHOMES ARE.

IF THE DUMPSTER COULD BE MOVED TO THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, AS OPPOSED TO THE BACK, YOU WOULD PROBABLY HAVE NEIGHBORS THAT APPRECIATE THAT.

NOT SAYING DO IT JUST SUGGESTING WE APPROVE THE APPLICATION HAS TO ADMIT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NO, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT.

THANKS GENX.

AND IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, WE HAVE SOME DISCUSSION.

WELL, WHAT ARE WE DISCUSSING? UH, I HAVE NO DISCUSSION ON THE AGENDA.