[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING, THE SPECIAL MEETING ORDER.
UM, THIS SPECIAL MEETING IS ON TUESDAY, AUGUST 24TH AT 2:00 PM.
UH, SINCE IT IS A HYBRID MEETING, WE DO HAVE INDIVIDUALS IN-PERSON AND ONLINE, THE ONES THAT I SEE ONLINE AT THIS POINT IN TIME ARE LOGAN CUNNINGHAM, GERALD, LARRY MCKELLEN, AND MYSELF.
IS THERE ANYBODY THAT YOU SEE ONLINE THAT I DO NOT SEE ON MINE? OKAY.
IN CURSING, I BELIEVE I THOUGHT I SAW CHRIS
CHRIS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER IS SEAN COUNCIL MEMBER HOWARD COUNCIL MEMBER, RODMAN AND COUNCIL MEMBER LAWSON ARE IN THE, UH, CHAMBERS.
SO WE DO HAVE A QUORUM TO CONDUCT BUSINESS WITH YOU ALL RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE LIKE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
THIS MEETING HAS BEEN PUBLISHED, POSTED AND DISTRIBUTED IN COMPLIANCE, THE SOAK, YOUR LINE OF FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT.
[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
NUMBER OF COUNCIL TO MAKE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THIS AGENDA.MAY I HAVE THE SECOND, SECOND COUNSEL WOMAN HOWARD MAKES THAT SECOND MOTION AND SECONDED.
UH, THIS WOULD BE APPROVED WITHOUT OBJECTION AND I SPEAK NO OBJECTIVES.
THEREFORE, THE AGENDA IS APPROVED.
IS THERE ANYONE IN CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IN CHAMBER COUNCIL TO MAKE A STATEMENT, OR IS THERE ANYBODY ON THE LINE WHO WISHES TO BE HEARD? I SEE NO REACTION.
THEREFORE THE CITIZEN COMMENTS WILL BE CLOSED TODAY.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PRESENTATION
[6. PRESENTATION OF RESULTS AND RECOMMENDATION ON BOAT LANDING/PIER STUDY- Brittany Ward, Deputy County Attorney; and Neil Desai, Public Works Director]
RESULTS RECOMMENDATION ON THE POLL, YOUR STUDY BY BERKLEY WARRANT, WHO WAS OUR DEPUTY COUNTY ATTORNEY AND NEIL DECIDE FROM OUR PUBLIC WORKS AS THE DIRECTOR.SO I WILL TURN THAT PORTION OF THE MEETING OVER TO BRITTANY.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU DON'T MIND, LET ME GO FIRST.
I NEED TO GET SOUNDCLOUD A BRIEF UPDATE, UH, ABOUT ONE THING THAT'S BEEN ONGOING FOR OVER A WEEK NOW.
UM, MUNIS, UH, OUR SOFTWARE PLATFORM THAT ALLOWS US TO TAKE MONEY AND RECEIPT MONEY.
UH, RAN AN UPDATE A LITTLE OVER A WEEK AGO ON OUR SYSTEM AND PROCEEDED TO SHUT US DOWN FOR OVER A WEEK FROM COLLECTING MONEY.
UH, SO WE HAVE NOT, WE HAVE NOT COLLECTED MONEY, UH, AT THE COUNTY FOR A LITTLE OVER A WEEK.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM, UH, UH, VERY POOR CUSTOMER SERVICE OUT AT MUNIS, UH, THAT WE RECEIVED PATRICK HEEL ON THE IT TEAM HAVE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB TRYING TO GET THIS CORRECTED.
UH, WE ARE ABOUT 99% FUNCTIONAL.
UH, AS OF THIS AFTERNOON, WE ARE A COMPLETE, A HUNDRED PERMITS, UH, BEHIND.
SO IF YOU ALL GET CALLS, UH, WE WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN TO WORK WITH MUNIS TO GET, GET US BACK ONLINE.
UH, AND IF YOU'LL JUST ASK YOUR CONSTITUENTS TO BE PATIENT WITH US WHILE WE, UH, DEAL WITH THE BACKLOG, I WOULD BE GRATEFUL.
SO MR. DECIDES UNDER THE WEATHER, SO IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE BRITTANY WARD AND JARED FREELUX TODAY'S SUE.
UH, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO BRITTANY NOW.
GIVE ME JUST A MOMENT TO SHARE MY SCREEN WITH YOU.
SIMILAR TO LAST WEEK'S REAL PROPERTY PRESENTATION.
UM, THIS IS SET UP THE SAME WAY.
I'VE PROVIDED EVERYONE WITH A SUMMARY SHEET.
UM, SO THE PRESENTATION ONLINE, THE POWERPOINT IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE YOU A REFERENCE TO THE MAP OF THE LOCATIONS OF THE BOAT LANDINGS AS WELL AS A VISUAL ASPECT OF ITS CURRENT CONDITION.
UM, FIRST ONE WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT TODAY IS BRICKYARD POINT.
THE PROPERTY IS OWNED BY THE WHITE FAMILY.
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CURRENTLY MAINTAINING THE PROPERTY AND AGAIN, UM, JARED AND NEIL'S, UH, INPUT ON THIS IS GOING TO BE THE MAINTENANCE SIDE OF IT.SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, IF WE CAN WAIT FOR HIM TO ANSWER THOSE FOR YOU, AS FAR AS, UH, THE OWNERSHIP OR THE INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY, UM, BRICKYARD BOAT LANDING IS OWNED BY THE FAMILY.
UM, AND AT THIS TIME WE ARE MAINTAINING IT VIA A AGREEMENT THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE AND, UM, FOR RESTRICTIVE EASEMENT WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY, UM, THERE WAS SOME TYPE OF LITIGATION THAT, UH, WAS BETWEEN THE NAVY AND THE FAMILY REGARDING THE AIR RIGHTS.
AND IN THAT RESTRICTIVE EASEMENT, IT ALLOWED FOR THE DOCK THERE AT BRICKYARD TO BE USED FOR PUBLIC PURPOSE, WHICH IS WHEN THE COUNTY STEPPED IN THE COUNTY IS NOT PART OF THAT AGREEMENT.
WE WERE NAMED IN IT, BUT WE ARE NOT SIGNATORIES TO THE AGREEMENT.
SO THE POSITION ON THIS ONE IN ORDER TO SECURITY INTERESTS, WE HAVE IN THE PROPERTY TO CONTINUE THE MAINTENANCE ON THAT, UH, IT WOULD BE MY PERSPECTIVE THAT WE NEED TO ENTER INTO ANOTHER AGREEMENT WITH THE FAMILY IN ORDER TO SOLIDIFY, UH, THAT USE AND NOT MAKE US A PARTY TO THE AGREEMENT WITH THE NAVY.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT THERE? UM, I WILL ADD TO THAT, UH, THIS LAND, THIS LANDING IS IN NEED OF SOME MAJOR REPAIRS.
UH, WE HAD BARRICADED THIS LANDING AT SOME POINT OR AT LEAST THE RAMP, UH, I BELIEVE BECAUSE OF A BIG HOLE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RAMP, UH, SOMETIME AGO, UH, THE COMMUNITY KEPT REMOVING THE, UH, BARRICADES.
SO THEY ARE USING IT, BUT IT DOES, UH, THERE IS A SEVERE DROP OFF IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT.
SO, UM, IF COUNCIL DOES DESIRE US TO, UH, PROCEED ON WITH THIS, WE WILL HAVE TO DO SOME IMMEDIATE MAINTENANCE AS A RESULT OF ENTERING INTO THE AGREEMENT, UH, TO CORRECT THOSE ISSUES, WHICH IS SO WE'RE OKAY DOING, I JUST WANTED Y'ALL TO BE AWARE OF THAT, OF SEE FAMILY INDICATED THEY WISH TO COCAINE CONTINUE OWNERSHIP OF THIS, OR WOULD BE, OR WOULD THEY BE AMENABLE TO SELLING? I HAVE NOT REACHED OUT TO THE WHITE FAMILY AT THIS TIME.
UM, AGAIN, THIS PRESENTATION IS FOR THE PURPOSES OF MAKING THOSE DECISIONS.
SO AT THIS POINT, UH, WE ARE WORKING UNDER THE RESTRICTIVE EASEMENT WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF NAVY.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF, JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS, BRITTANY, UH, ERIN MCKELLEN HERE BEING AN URBAN DWELLER IN MY LIFE, HAVING A LIMITED NAUTICAL BACKGROUND.
I LISTENED TO ALL THESE THINGS AND PEOPLE SAYING LANDINGS, PEERS AND MAINTENANCE, NO OWNERS, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT CONCEPTS THAT WE ARE ENGAGED IN WITH PEOPLE IN A VARIETY OF LOCATIONS WHERE THERE'S A LANDING OR A DOCK, WE DON'T OWN IT, BUT WE TAKE CARE OF IT.
HOW DO PEOPLE GET HERE? AND WHAT'S YOUR AGREEMENT ALL ABOUT HOW LONG HAVE THESE THINGS IN, IN AGREEMENT AND WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT ESSENTIALLY NOW I KNOW THE REASON FOR THIS PRESENTATION IS TO COME TO THOSE CONCLUSIONS, BUT I DON'T, I'M KIND OF INTERESTED IN HEARING A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THE BACKGROUND OF THESE THINGS AND HOW WE GOT WHERE WE ARE, WHY WE'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND IF WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO DO IT, UH, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE MAINTAIN SOMETHING.
WE DON'T KNOW, BUT WHY WE DO THAT OR HOW IT GOT THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SO IF ANYBODY CAN SHED ANY LIGHT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE YOU ON THAT.
UH, WITH REGARD TO A HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE, IF IT DOESN'T FEEL TOO MUCH TIME, I SURE LIKE TO HEAR IT.
UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE RESTRICTIVE EASEMENT WAS PLACED ON THIS ONE IN 2015.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAVE BEEN MAINTAINING IT.
UM, PRIOR TO THAT, I CAN'T ADDRESS THE SPECIFIC TIMEFRAME, BUT I'LL LET JARED CHIME IN ON, I CAN'T ANSWER ALL OF THE HISTORY QUESTION, BUT I CAN'T ANSWER.
THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO OUR LEGACY, DIRT ROADS.
UM, THEY'RE DIRT ROADS THAT WE'VE BEEN MAINTAINING FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.
AND THROUGH THAT PROCESS HAVE, UH, JUST SUCCUMB ALL THAT MAINTENANCE.
SO, UM, AS FAR AS WHEN IT ACTUALLY OCCURRED OR WHAT WAS THE MECHANISM THAT MADE IT OCCUR THAT WE STARTED MAINTENANCE? UH, CAN'T ANSWER THAT.
I CAN ONLY MAKE AN ASSUMPTION THAT AT SOME POINT SOMEBODY CALLED SOMEBODY AND, AND WE SHOWED UP AND STARTED MAINTAINING IT, BUT WE DON'T OWN IT.
IT'S NOT OUR DOC WAIT, THAT IS CORRECT.
NOT ON OUR PROPERTY, BUT WE TAKE CARE OF HER SO THAT YOU, FOR COUNTY RESIDENT, YOU CAN USE IT AND PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY GETTING PRIVATE PROPERTY TO GET ON THE DOCK, BUT WE MAINTAIN IT.
WE DON'T OWN IS THAT CLEAR? I MEAN, THAT'S PRETTY CORRECT.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY.
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WELL, THERE IS A TREMENDOUS LIABILITY ISSUE ON OUR PART FOR SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T OWN, ALLOWING THE PUBLIC TO GO ON PROPERTY THAT WE DON'T OWN.IF SOMEBODY GETS HURT, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO BE HELD RESPONSIBLE.
SO THIS, THIS IS A HOT TOPIC AS TO WHETHER WE SHOULD CONTINUE MAINTAINING ANY FACILITY.
I DON'T CARE WHAT IT IS, ANY FACILITY THAT WE DO NOT HAVE CLEAR TITLE TO IT BECAUSE OF OUR LITIGIOUS SOCIETY THAT WE'RE IN AND THE BURDEN IT PUTS ON US TO TRY AND DO THE RIGHT THING.
AND I THINK BOTH OF YOU JUST POINTED OUT WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING CLEAR ABOUT HERE TODAY IS THAT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AND SECURE ANY INTERESTS THAT WE DO HAVE IN THESE PROPERTIES.
UM, SO OWNERSHIP MAY BE AT ISSUE IN SOME OF THESE MOVING FORWARD.
UM, THIS THERE'S TWO ON HERE THAT WOULD PROBABLY BRING THE EXACT SAME QUESTIONS AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO.
SO THE THING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS IN THE BACK ROOM THERE, THAT'S THE DOCK WE'RE MAINTAINING LANDING.
I TOLD HER, I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
WHAT'S A LANDING AND WHAT'S UP HERE.
AND WHERE DO YOU PUT BOATS IN THE WATER? AND WHAT DO YOU FISH FROM? LET SHARON, BUT I COULDN'T ANSWER THAT.
WELL, I CAME DOWN HERE AND I DIDN'T LEARN HOW TO, I NEVER HEARD OF, SO WE'RE ALL USING THE SAME TERMINOLOGY.
UH, SO THE LANDING IS THE ACTUAL BOAT RAMP THAT YOU BACKED DOWN.
UH, THE PIER, UH, IS THE DOCK THAT YOU WALK OUT.
SOME PEERS ONLY HAVE A STRAIGHT DOC.
UM, SOME OF THEM ACTUALLY HAVE A T OR, OR A FINGER WHERE YOU CAN DOCK UP TO.
UM, SO THOSE ARE THE BASIC TERMINOLOGY.
AND THEN THE BOAT BOAT RAMP IS OBVIOUSLY THE LANDING AS WELL.
LANDING IS PROBABLY MORE INCLUSIVE.
THE LANDING IS THE RAMP, THE PIER AND EVERYTHING, THE PARKING AT-LARGE, UH, THE RAMP IS THE DOWNWARD SLOPE.
AND THEN THE PIER IS THE WALKING OUT AND WE TELL YOU ABOUT IT.
SO WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS LANDING, AND WE HAVE NOTHING.
WE HAVE NO OWNERSHIP, WE DON'T OWN THE CONCRETE.
YOU DON'T OWN ANY PARKING OR THAT VEHICLE.
IT IS ITS OWN TRAILER IS WE DON'T OWN THE ROAD.
WE DO NOT HAVE A FEE SIMPLE INTEREST IN THIS LANDING.
I BELIEVE THERE IS SOME TYPE OF INTEREST BEING THE FACT THAT WE HAD MAINTAINED IT.
AND AGAIN, THERE IS A RESTRICTIVE EASEMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE NAVY WHEREBY THE COUNTY IS NAMED IN IT, BUT I'LL REPEAT THAT.
SO THIS IS THE PORTION THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CLEAN UP HERE TODAY IS WHETHER YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD AND CONTINUE TO HAVE PUBLIC ACCESS ON THIS PROPERTY AND ALLOW CITIZENS TO USE THE BOAT LANDING, UM, AND GO INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE WHITES SEPARATELY SO THAT WE CAN HAVE CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF ALL THE OBLIGATIONS OF, I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN.
SO JUST JUMP IN WHEN THERE'S SOMETHING ON THE SCREEN, I CAN NOT SEE YOU.
I KNOW THIS ISN'T OWNED BY US, BUT AS PUBLIC PLANNINGS, IT W HOW FAR AWAY IS THE CLOSEST ONE TO THIS ONE? IS THERE ANY CLOSE BY? I DON'T THINK THERE ARE, ARE THERE ON LADY'S ISLAND? YEAH, I THINK PROBABLY WHITEHALL IS THE NEXT CLOSEST WHITE HALL WOULD BE THE NEXT CLOSEST ONE, WHICH IS ALWAYS VERY BUSY AND NEXT THE RESTRICTIVE EASEMENT.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT IF THE COUNTY DIDN'T SIGN TO IT, WHAT IS IT? WHAT IS BETWEEN A WHITE FAMILY AND, UM, DEPARTMENT OF NAVY? AND WHY IS THE COUNTY, EVEN IN THE DOCUMENT THAT WE, WHAT YEAR WAS THAT DONE? THAT WAS IN 2015.
I'LL GIVE YOU ALL A LITTLE MORE BACKGROUND BECAUSE I HAVE PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE OF THIS BECAUSE YOUR FIRM, FORMER COUNTY ATTORNEY, UH, MR. LATTA, HAL, UH, USES THIS BOAT LANDING.
UH, SO HE'S, UH, HE'S GIVING ME THE BACKGROUND ON IT.
APPARENTLY WHEN THIS RESTRAINT AND EASEMENT WAS ENTERED INTO, UH, SOMEONE WENT OUT AND BUILT A BOAT LANDING ON THE WHITE PROPERTY.
DIDN'T EVEN TALK TO THE WHITES ABOUT DOING IT.
UM, UH, IT MIGHT'VE BEEN FROM THE DOD AND DID IT, AND THE COUNTY STARTED MAINTAINING IT.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WHY IT SHOULDN'T DO NOT WANT TO SELL THE PROPERTY.
THEY DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT.
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POSSIBILITY THAT WE CAN GET OUR AGREEMENT WITH THEM.UH, BUT THESE ARE THE COMPLICATIONS THAT COME UP WITH ALL OF THESE, UH, RE UH, LANDINGS RAMPS.
PIGGERS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE HEARING ABOUT TODAY.
AND THEN MORE IMPORTANTLY, LATER ON, YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM MR. ATKINSON NOW ON SOME RECREATION CENTERS THAT WERE DOING A SUMMER THING FOR HER, WE JUST NEED DIRECTION FROM YOU ALL ON WHAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE FOR US TO DO WITH THESE.
MY RECOMMENDATION FROM A COUNTY STANDPOINT IS THAT WE GO THROUGH THE AGREEMENT PROCESS TO SECURE OUR INTEREST IN THESE SO THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN THEM WITHOUT ANY DIFFICULTY.
UH, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A BOAT LANE IN THERE.
THOSE ARE HIGH COMMODITIES IN AN AREA LIKE BEAVER COUNTY.
I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THAT YOU ALL, THAT YOU ABANDON THE MAINTENANCE ON ANY OF THESE OTHER FACILITIES AND THAT YOU INSTRUCT STAFF TO GO THROUGH.
WHATEVER PROCESS IS NECESSARY TO SECURE OUR INTEREST IN, UH, CONTINUING MAINTENANCE OF THESE PARTICULAR THINGS, AND THEN SPEND THE MONEY TO MAINTAIN THEM AS A RESIDENT NORTHERN BUFORD COUNTY.
AND I HATE TO S YOU KNOW, BRING THAT UP, BUT THIS ONE I KNOW IS USED BY PEOPLE ON LADY'S ISLAND.
AND SOME OF MY CONSTITUENTS, EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T LIVE ON LADY'S ISLAND IS USED.
I'D HATE TO JUST THROW IT OUT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO WORK ON PROCURING THE RIGHT WAY TO MAINTAIN IT.
I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND WE GO THROUGH THE RIGHT PROCEDURES, UM, SO THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN IT.
CAUSE I MEAN, WHITE HALL IS ALWAYS HEAVILY USED AND, AND OVERCROWDED, AND THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME RELIEF FOR THAT, UM, SOMEWHERE THAT'S MY 2 CENTS WORTH.
UM, I KNOW, UM, SORT OF COMING TO MY ANSWERS VERY, UM, THIS IS, THIS PROPERTY IS OWNED BY THE WHITE FAMILY FOR YEARS, SEVERAL HOMES IN THIS AREA.
I WOULD CONSIDER IT DARK, JUST LIKE THE LEGACY.
AND, UM, HOWEVER, ONE OF THESE DARK, VERY ACTIVE, UM, IT'S LANDING RUN IS VERY ACTIVE, UH, CLOSE THIS.
IT WILL CAUSE ALL KINDS OF PROBLEMS FOR THE WHITE, BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO STOP THE DARK.
UM, SO WHATEVER REASON YOU CAN WORK OUT A LIABILITY COVERAGE OR ON THIS PROPERTY, I THINK WE NEED TO GO.
AND THERE'S PROBABLY MORE, UH, MARK.
YEAH, I JUST, UM, TWO IS ONE IS I GUESS WE NEED TO DECIDE HOW WE'RE GOING TO, IF WE'RE JUST GO THROUGH THESE AND WE GATHER INFORMATION OR WE'RE GOING TO SIT AND DISCUSS EACH ONE OF THEM, CAUSE IT'S GONNA TAKE FOREVER IF WE DISCUSS EACH ONE OF THEM.
UM, SO WE, WE NEED SOME DIRECTION ON HOW YOU WANT US TO HANDLE EACH OF THESE AS WE GO THROUGH.
BUT, UM, I THINK WE NEED AS MANY LANDINGS AS WE CAN, UH, FOR COUNTY IS NOT GOING TO GET ANY SMALLER IN SIZE.
AND IF ANYTHING, UM, WATERFRONT PROPERTY IS BECOMING LESS AND LESS AND LESS.
SO, UM, WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO SECURE THINGS IN THE, IN THE LONG RUN, UM, WE ACTUALLY NEED TO ADD MORE LANDINGS AND PURCHASE MORE PROPERTY AND MAKE MORE THINGS AVAILABLE, UM, FOR THE, FOR THE FUTURE.
SO, UM, AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE WHAT STAFF WAS LOOKING FOR FOR US TO SAY, GO AHEAD AND, AND SECURE WHATEVER WE NEED TO SECURE AND TO DO THE THINGS WE GOTTA DO.
LIABILITY-WISE AND YOU KNOW, ALL THAT.
SO YEAH, MY CHAIRMAN, YEAH, GO AHEAD, GERALD, TO MARK'S POINT, UM, BEAUTIFUL COUNTY IS SURROUNDED BY WATER AND WE NEED ACCESS TO THE WATER AS WE POSSIBLY CAN GET, UH, AS MARK'S DATA, WE NEED TO LOOK FOR ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES WHERE WE CAN, UH, ALL PARK THE BOAT RAMPS ON PARKING LOTS SO THAT, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE OVERCROWDING AS SOME OF THE OTHER BOARD ROUNDS.
AND SO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO, UH, WHATEVER IT TAKES FOR US TO HAVE A PART IN THE OPERATION OF THIS BOAT RAMP, AS WELL AS JUST BE MINDFUL AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF THIS BECAUSE PEOPLE NEED ACCESS TO THE WATER FASTING SUMMERTIME, AND AS WELL AS SOME TIME, EVEN IN THE WINTER THAT THAT'S FOR RECREATION FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS CAN BE IF THE COUNTY, SO WHATEVER MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WE HAVE TO WORK OUT WORK, UM, IN THIS BOAT RAMP AS WELL, AS WELL AS ALL THIS THAT WE, UH, GO THROUGH AFTERWARDS, LET US BE MINDFUL THAT
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WE NEED BOAT RAMPS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE OVERCROWDING SOME OF THE BOAT RAMPS, UM, THAT WE'VE UTILIZED.UM, COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT I WANT TO PROACTIVELY ASK FOR ALL THE, ALL THE PROPERTIES, NUMBER ONE, HOW MANY PEOPLE ESTIMATED USE IT? WHAT'S THE COST TO REPAIR IT AND THEN WHAT'S THE YEARLY COST TO MAINTAIN IT? I CAN ANSWER A COUPLE OF THOSE, UM, ON THE, HOW MANY PEOPLE USE THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD COUNT OF THAT.
UM, BUT, UH, I'LL ANSWER THE OTHER TWO.
UM, THE COST OF REPAIR IS APPROXIMATELY $50,000.
WE'VE JUST REPAIRED A SIMILAR BOAT RAMP, UM, THAT HAD SIMILAR ISSUES.
SO WE BUILT PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT NUMBER.
AND THEN JUST TO REPAIR IN THIS OR MAINTAIN IT.
THIS CONDITION HAS APPROXIMATELY $5,000 A YEAR.
HOWEVER, UM, THIS CONDITION IS SIMILAR TO OUR DIRT ROADS IN THE LEGACY STATUS.
WE'RE ONLY MAINTAINING, WE ARE NOT MAKING IMPROVEMENTS SINCE, UH, THE OWNERSHIP ISSUE IS OUT THERE.
SO, UH, WE'RE NOT POURING EXTRA FUNDS INTO THIS TO BRING IT UP TO STANDARDS.
UH, OTHER BOAT RAMPS MIGHT BE AS FAR AS HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE USING THIS AND THIS ANSWERS OTHER QUESTIONS THAT WERE DISCUSSED AS FAR AS WE NEED MORE BOAT RAMPS, OR WHAT DO WE NEED.
UM, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE ADVERTISEMENT OUT FOR A MASTER PLAN FOR OUR BOAT RAMPS.
SO WE HAVE A CONSULTANT THAT WE'RE WORKING, THAT WE HAD TWO CONSULTANTS PROPOSE.
UH, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE HIGHEST BIDDER ON THAT TO COME TO A FEED IT BRAIN TO COMMITTEE, UH, HOPEFULLY IN SEPTEMBER AT PFC.
AND IN THAT EVALUATION, THEY'RE GOING TO ASSESS THE CONDITIONS OF THE EXISTING BOAT RAMPS.
UM, THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF IMPROVEMENTS TO BE MADE ALSO LOOK AT, DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT NUMBER OF BOAT RAMPS? SHOULD WE HAVE MORE? SHOULD WE HAVE LESS? ARE THEY IN THE RIGHT LOCATIONS? DO WE HAVE TWO OR THREE THAT ARE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO LET GO OF ONE AND BUY ANOTHER ONE ELSEWHERE? UM, SO THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE A HOLISTIC VIEW AS WELL AS SOME ASSESSMENT ON HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE USING OUR BOAT RAMPS, UM, THE ECONOMIC IMPACT THAT, THAT HAS ALL THAT IT'S GOING TO BE ENCOMPASSED IN THE MASTER PLAN TO THAT POINT.
UM, IF THIS ONE'S IN BAD SHAPE, MAYBE NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE ARE USING IT RIGHT NOW, BUT MAYBE PEOPLE DID IN THE PAST.
UM, WELL THIS ONE AND SOME OF THE OTHERS THAT THERE'S NO CLEAR OWNERSHIP BE IN THAT STUFF.
ALL THE ONES THAT ARE UNDER MAINTENANCE RIGHT NOW WILL ARE INCLUDED IN THAT STUFF.
SO, UM, I THINK THIS WAS A HEALTHY DEBATE ABOUT THIS ONE THAT WE FROM HERE, WE CAN GIVE SOME DIRECTION ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ONE, BUT IT MAY BE APPLICABLE TO EVERY ONE WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS FROM WHAT I HEAR.
ONE, WE DON'T OWN ANYTHING HERE TOO, BECAUSE WE DON'T OWN ANYTHING HERE.
WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS LIABILITY ON OUR HAND, IN ORDER TO ELIMINATE THAT LIABILITY, WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT OWNERSHIP OF THE LANDING ITSELF, WHETHER WE ENTER INTO A LEASE AGREEMENT, PURCHASE AGREEMENT, UM, SOME SHORT OF A MEETING OF THE MINDS.
HOWEVER, WE WANT TO PHRASE THAT UNLESS WE HAVE SOME AUTHORITY TO CONTROL THAT BOAT LANDING, WHERE USING TAXPAYER DOLLARS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, THAT'S INAPPROPRIATE.
IS THAT A FAIR SUMMARY OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING? I THINK THAT IS A FAIR SUMMARY.
AND TO COUNCILMAN LAWSON, WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION WAS WHAT ARE WE ASKING? WE'RE ASKING FOR CLEAR DIRECTION, PURSUE A OWNERSHIP INTEREST, OR AN AGREEMENT OF SUCH AND WHICH WE'LL DO OR DON'T PURSUE IT.
AND, AND LET'S GET OUT OF THIS BOAT RAMP BUSINESS AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION.
UM, CLEARLY BECAUSE OF WHAT WAS STATED, THE NUMBER OF LANDINGS THAT WE HAVE, IT'S A PRECIOUS COMMODITY.
I DON'T SEE THE REASON JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T OWN THIS, THAT WE SHOULDN'T PURSUE MEANS AND METHODS OF GETTING CONTROL OF THIS.
UM, SO THAT WOULD BE MY OPINION OF WHAT SAY THE REST OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AS TO A DIRECTION ON THIS I CAN OCCUR.
AND I DO WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR MOVING FORWARD FOR THIS, FOR PURPOSES OF THIS CONVERSATION, THIS PRESENTATION, UM, IT MAY BE THAT WE DON'T HAVE A FEE SIMPLE INTEREST IN THESE PROPERTIES.
UM, MEANING THAT WE DO NOT HAVE A DEED IN HAND RECORDED AT THE REGISTERED DEEDS.
UM, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE WOULD BE AN ARGUMENT ON ANY, IF NOT ALL OF THESE, THAT WE DO HAVE SOME TYPE OF INTEREST THAT WE NEED TO SECURE.
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HOWEVER YOU GO ABOUT SECURING THAT INTEREST FOR US.AND WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE THAT IN YOUR CAPABLE HANDS.
MAYBE IT IS A LONG-TERM LEASE AGREEMENT, YOU KNOW, ANY, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, IT WILL BE IN YOUR CAPABLE HANDS.
ONE FINAL POLL POINT IN LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY THAT'S ON THE SCREEN TO THE LEFT, LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF TRUNK, TREE DEBRIS.
DO WE KNOW HOW THAT BREE GOT THERE? IS IT OUR RESPONSIBILITY? I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR AND I WILL, UM, HAVE TO PUT IN HERE, CAUSE IT IS COPYRIGHTED.
SO I AM UNSURE OF WHEN THIS WAS EXACTLY TAKEN.
SO I CAN, I'LL LEAN TO ENGINEERING AND TELL ME WHAT THAT CONCRETE STILL THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THERE OR NOT, BUT I CAN, UH, AGAIN, NEIL IS ON THE DAY TO DAY TO THIS AND I CAN COORDINATE WITH NEIL AND IF HE HASN'T ANSWERED BACK AND LET EVERYBODY KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM, WHO, WHO IT BELONGS TO.
UM, BUT I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER AT THE MOMENT.
IF THAT'S OKAY WITH EVERYBODY, WE NOW KNOW WHAT EACH OF THESE THINGS THAT THEY WILL TALK ABOUT AND GOING FORWARD, IF, IF PORT ROYAL SANS BOAT LANDING IS IN THE SAME CONDITION AS THE BRICKYARD BULK LANDING, THEN WHAT WE JUST APPLY TO THE BRICKYARD BOAT LANDING IS APPLICABLE TO PORT ROYAL SINCE LANDING.
UH, WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS, UH, WITH THE TOWN, UM, REGARDING THE SANDS BOAT LANDING.
UM, AS I'M SURE MANY OF YOU, IF NOT ALL ARE AWARE THAT THEY'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH, UM, UH, THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNER, UM, DETERMINING WHAT PROPERTIES, EACH PARTY THEY ARE EVEN OWNS.
UM, WE HAVE AGAIN, TALKED TO THE TOWN, UM, DISCUSS WITH THEM THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
UH, IT IS MORE THAN LIKELY THAT THE TOWN ACTUALLY OWNS THE PROPERTY AND WE HAVE SUGGESTED, UM, SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS OF MOVING FORWARD ON IT IN ORDER TO EITHER SOLIDIFY THE FACT THAT THE COUNTY IS GOING TO CONTINUE THE MAINTENANCE, UM, OR ALLOW FOR THE TOWN, THE OPTION TO TAKE THAT OVER.
SO WE ARE DISCUSSING THAT ONE AS WELL.
SO WE DON'T OWN IT OR ROYAL DOES THE QUESTION IS, DO WE MAINTAIN IT, MAINTAIN IT WITH AN AGREEMENT WITH PORT ROYAL OR DO YOU TURN IT OVER ENTIRELY TO BOIL AND SAY YOU MADE THAT UP? THAT'S YOUR UNDERSTANDING? YES.
EVERYBODY IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT ONE QUESTION, I HEAR THE WORD LAND.
DO WE HAVE A PEER HERE AS WELL ON THE LANDING THAT WE HAVE TO DO THERE, THERE IS A, UM, SMALL PIER THERE.
I BELIEVE THIS IS ALL ON THE SAME PIECE OF PART OF THE SAME PARCEL, BUT THEN WE KNOW.
SO OTHER PEOPLE WHO OWN THE MARSHAL ON THE RAMP AND THE PIER, CAN WE MAINTAIN THE RAMP IN HERE? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND THE FARGO ONE, IMAGINE YOU'RE IN THE FISH PERMIT.
SO HERE, WE'RE GOING TO WORK OUT WITH THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL AS TO WHO'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THIS, UM, AND WHETHER OR NOT IT'S IN OUR INTEREST TO DO IT, OR IT'S BETTER SERVED BY THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL.
AND THIS ONE, JUST SO THAT EVERYBODY'S AWARE AGAIN ABOUT NUMBERS AND THIS ONE IN THE YEARLY APPROXIMATE COST FOR JUST THE MAINTENANCE OF IT, UM, IS AROUND 20,000.
THAT'S WHY WE'LL USE ALL THE TIME.
I MEAN, IT'S USED ALL THE TIME, BUT LOTS AND LOTS OF PEOPLE KNOW LOT.
I'M NOT EVEN RESIDENTS OF DIFFERENT COUNTY.
ONE THING ALSO, UM, ON THESE, AGAIN, BACK TO THE KIND OF LEGACY COMPARISON WITH THE DIRT ROADS IS, UM, WE HAVE FUNDING IN OUR BUDGET, GENERAL FUNDING, UM, FOR MAINTENANCE.
SO NEW CLEATS, NEW, SMALL REPAIRS, NEW, UM, STONE.
THIS SECTION ACTUALLY HAS A STONE PARKING LOT AS WELL.
UM, NEW STRIPING, BUT NOT, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BUDGETED IN OUR GENERAL FUND, UH, FOR LONG-TERM CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
SO, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH THE STATUS OF THESE AS BEING UNCLEAR, UM, IF WE HAD THE CAPITAL OUTLAY AGAIN, WE WOULD, WE WOULD STILL JUST BE USING MAINTENANCE AT THIS POINT.
AND THIS PRIDE, THIS ONE MORE THAN OTHERS IS PROBABLY AS WELL USED AS ONE OF THE HIGHER USE ONES.
IT ALSO, I WOULD DARE TO GUESS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE LOWER ONES.
UH, IT GETS FLOODED ON A SEMI ROUTINE BASIS AND WHICH IS, UH, CAUSES HAVOC ON THE PAVEMENT AND ALSO ON THE, A GRAVEL PARKING LOT.
SO WE DO THESE FALL DOWN ON THAT.
WE HAVE OUR CREWS THAT GO OUT THERE WEEKLY,
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UM, TO MAINTAIN THE, UH, THE GRASS AND THE TRASH.AND THEN WE DO A QUARTERLY REPORT.
UM, IN ADDITION, IF WE SEE SOMETHING ON THE SPOT, WE'LL DO A REPORT AND PUT THAT IN OUR RECORDS AS WELL.
AND CURRENTLY THERE IS NO FORMAL AGREEMENTS OR MAINTAINING THIS.
THIS IS JUST BECAUSE IT'S A LEGACY.
UH, NOW DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW LONG WE'VE BEEN MAINTAINING THIS ONE? I DO NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, MY, MY SIRI IS, UH, AND JUST MY THEORY IS THESE CAME ABOUT AS LEGACY BECAUSE YOU KNOW, 30, 40, 50 YEARS AGO, THESE PARTICULAR DOCS WERE IN AREAS WHERE WHATEVER THE MUNICIPALITY CONCLUSION WAS OR WHOEVER HAD IT, DID NOT HAVE THE WHEREWITHAL, THE COUNTY HAD TO MAINTAIN IT.
SO THE COUNTY BEGAN MAINTAINING IT BECAUSE IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
AND IT'S JUST CONTINUED ON FOREVER.
AND EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, THE MUNICIPALITIES HAVE GROWN TO THE POINT WHERE THEY COULD DO IT, IT'S JUST BEEN EASY FOR US TO DO IT FOR THEM, FOR LET US CORRECT.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE, WE'RE ASKING YOU TO DO ON THE PORT ROYALS KIM'S BOAT LANDING.
LET'S MOVE ON TO THE RUST POINT BOAT LANDING.
JUST, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT BECAUSE I JUST HEARD TWO PEOPLE SAY THAT THE TOWNS SHOULD, SHOULD TAKE IT OVER.
UM, OH, THAT'S WE SAID THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN NEGOTIATIONS BEST SUITED TO DO THIS.
UM, AND ALSO THE POSSIBILITY OF GRAY GHOSTS MAY OWN IT, WHICH IS A PRIVATE ENTITY IT'S POSSIBLE.
GREAT GUYS MIGHT OWN IT AS WELL.
THE DIRECTION THEY HAVE TO TAKE IS TO SOLIDIFY THE FORMAL OWNERSHIP AND SOLIDIFY IF IN FACT, THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL DOES, IN FACT ON THIS, SHOULD THEY BE CLEANING THIS OR SHOULD THE COUNTY MAINTAINING THIS CONVERSATION WITH THE TOWN WAS THAT THEY NEEDED TO FIGURE OUT IF THEY OWNED IT OR IF GREYCO STONE D UM, I THINK THAT'S UP TO THE TOWN TO DECIDE THEIR OWN OWNERSHIP OF IT.
I KNOW WE DEFINITELY, THE COUNTY DOES NOT OWN IT.
WE INSTALL THOSE PORT-A-POTTIES YEAH.
SO DO THE MAINTENANCE AND THE NEGOTIATION COMPONENT, UH, WE CAN NEGOTIATE IT, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE, OR I GUESS THIS IS A QUESTION, UM, IS THE POINT OF NEGOTIATION FROM THE COUNTY TO THE TOWN THAT THE TOWN MAINTAIN IT? IS THAT THE POINT THAT WE'D LIKE TO BE NEGOTIATED OR, UM, AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY IF IN FACT THE COUNTY OWNS IT AND WE'RE MAINTAINING IT.
WE SHOULD HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PAY US TO MAINTAIN THEIR PROPERTY.
I THINK PROBABLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO HERE IN THIS CASE IS ONCE WE DETERMINED THE OWNERSHIP, I THINK WE'RE OUT TO HAVE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSIONS WITH THE TOWN REPRESENTATIVES.
UH, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE GOT TO DO, IN MY OPINION, UH, FOR ANY OF THESE THAT WE'RE GOING TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH, THEN WE NEED TO TREAT EVERYONE EQUALLY.
UM, I UNDERSTAND TOWN OF PORT ROYAL MAY ON, UM, A PIECE OF PROPERTY.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD BE FAIR TO TELL ANOTHER PRIVATE OWNER, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN YOUR BOAT ROUTE, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING.
BUT THEN, UH, TELL THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA MAINTAIN YOUR BOAT ROUTE, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO PAY US, UH, TO MAINTAIN IT.
SO, UH, WE WILL CONTINUE THAT DISCUSSION WITH, UH, WITH TOWN OF PORT ROYAL.
AND ONCE WE DETERMINE THE OWNERSHIP, UH, WE WILL TALK TO THEM ABOUT HOW THEY WANT TO PROCEED FROM AN AGREEMENT STANDPOINT, EITHER, EITHER THEY TAKE OVER MAINTENANCE OR WE, UH, CONTINUE MAINTENANCE THROUGH SOME FORMAL AGREEMENT.
AND THEN WE'LL RECOMMEND THAT BACK TO YOU ONCE WE FINISH THAT.
WE'RE OKAY TO MOVE ON NOW TO RUSS POINT.
SO THEN X IS A REST POINT OVER ON HUNTING ISLAND.
THIS ONE, UH, WAS ACTUALLY CONVEYED BACK IN THE 1930S, UM, TO THE STATE, UH, THEY, TO
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THIS DAY STILL CURRENTLY OWN IT.UH, GOOGLE MAPS DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO, UH, CARVEY OR, OR DOWN LOWER.
UM, THERE IS A, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I USE THE RIGHT WORD DOC, BECAUSE YOU CAN BRING IT UP TO IT.
UH, IT IS ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING.
THERE'S A LANDING HERE OR I BOAT RAMP HERE.
SO YOU CAN PUT BOATS INTO THE WATER.
UM, AGAIN, THIS ONE IS DEFINITIVELY OWNED BY THE STATE, AS IT IS AN A PARK.
UM, IT WOULD BE OUR SUGGESTION THAT WE SPEAK WITH THE STATE AND HAVE THEM TAKE IT OVER, UM, UNLESS THEY ARE WILLING TO PROVIDE US SOME OTHER TYPE OF INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY.
THAT'S TO OUR BENEFIT, BRITTANY.
UH, THIS ONE IS APPROXIMATELY $10,000 A YEAR TO MAINTAIN.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? NOPE.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE THE WALLACE BOAT LANDING.
UM, THIS ONE IS DIFFERENT THAN THE PREVIOUS THREE.
THERE IS NO GOVERNMENT ENTITY INVOLVED IN THIS ONE.
UH, I, I SEE THAT, UM, THIS ONE IS ACTUALLY OFF OF A RIGHT OF WAY.
THERE IS A 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY THAT IS DEFINITIVE IN THIS, UM, BOAT LANDING ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
THE ISSUE HERE IS THAT THE, UM, PART OF THE ROAD, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A FENCE TO LEFT, WHICH IS A PRIVATE HOMEOWNER TO THE RIGHT, UM, IS OWNED BY AN HOA.
UM, YOU COME DOWN HERE, YOU'RE GOING DOWN THE STRIVE ON THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THEN YOU COME TO THE BOAT RAMP.
UM, THE BOAT RAMP PORTION OF THIS IS WHAT IS GIVING US A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, UH, CONCERN.
AND AGAIN, I BELIEVE THIS IS SIMPLY SECURING OUR INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY.
UM, THERE IS NO ACTUAL DEED RECORDED THAT SAYS THAT WE HAVE FEE SIMPLE OWNERSHIP OF THIS PORTION.
UM, BUT IT, AGAIN, IT IS OFF OF HER RIGHT AWAY.
AND OUR INTEREST STARTS WHERE THE RIGHT OF WAY ENDS.
AM I EXPLAINING THAT CLEARLY? CAUSE I'M GETTING OKAY.
SO YOU HAD THE RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH IS DEFINITIVE.
YOU CAN SEE IT ON MULTIPLE SURVEYS.
THERE'S A 50 FOOT RAILWAY WHERE THE STATE HAS A ROAD WHERE THE STATE ROAD ENDS IS WHERE OUR CONCERN STARTS BECAUSE THERE IS NOT A DEFINITIVE FEE, SIMPLE OWNERSHIP RECORDED THAT SAYS YOU FERC COUNTY OWNS THIS BOAT RAMP.
SO IS THERE A WAY TO SEE WHERE THE STATE ROAD ENDS THERE? IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IF YOU LOOK AT SURVEYS OF THIS AREA, UM, I'M GOING TO SUGGEST THAT IT ENDS SEE WHERE THAT FENCE LINE IS.
I'M NOT SURE, OR THERE'S A LEFT RIGHT THERE, THERE IS A FENCE ON SURVEYS FOR THE PROPERTIES ON EITHER SIDE OF THIS RIGHT OF WAY.
IT DOES APPEAR THAT THE STATE ROAD ENDS APPROXIMATELY WHERE THAT FENCE LINE ENDS.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS THE COUNTY.
IF WE'RE GOING TO CLEAN IT UP, I SAY, WE CLEAN UP ALL OF IT.
UM, AND WE SECURE INTEREST IN THIS BOAT LANDING SO THAT THERE ISN'T ANY DISPUTE TO IT.
I AM NOT IN TO STATE THAT ANYBODY ELSE HAS FEE SIMPLE TO IT, BECAUSE AGAIN, I THINK IT'S VERY UNCLEAR AS TO WHERE THE ROAD ENDS AND OUR INTEREST BEGINS.
CAN YOU REMIND NEW ORLEANS? UM, I WILL BACK UP, UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE AT SAM DOYLE DRIVE RIGHT HERE IN ST.
WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY AROUND THERE RIGHT ROUND TO THE LEFT, WHERE THAT FENCE IS.
I JUST POPPED UP CREEK THE CAPERS CREEK ISLAND PROPERTY OWNERS.
SO THERE IS A PRIVATE OWNER TO THE LEFT WHERE THAT FENCE IS.
UM, AND THEN TO THE RIGHT, THIS PROPERTY, UH, APPEARS TO BE AN HOA.
UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY USE THIS PART, UH, THIS PARCEL FOR, YOU CAN SEE THERE, THERE'S A SALE SIDE.
I DID LOOK IT UP AND IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE FOR SALE, BUT AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE HOS PURPOSE IS FOR IT.
JUST THE ASSOCIATION OWNS THE ACTUAL PROPERTY AROUND THE LANDING AND THERE DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE ANY KIND OF HARKING ONCE YOU LAUNCH YOUR BOAT.
ELECTRIC, I BELIEVE, UM, OVER HERE THERE, JARED'S TELLING ME THAT THERE, THAT TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY PUT THEIR BOATS IN AND THEY PARK ALONG THE RIGHT OF WAY, BECAUSE THAT IS A LARGE
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RIGHT AWAY RIGHT THERE.EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO FOR THIS ONE.
IT'S GOING TO BE DETERMINING FROM THERE.
THE STATE N ROAD ENDS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BOAT LANDING AS TO WHAT OUR INTERESTS ARE IN THAT.
WE'LL JUST BE ASSERTING OUR RIGHTS THAT WE, MORE THAN LIKE OUR INTERESTS THAT WE ALREADY WERE THEN LIKE, SO THE NEXT ONE IS GOING TO BE THE WIMPY.
AND THIS IS UP IN A LOW PICO AREA.
YOU SEE AT THE END OF WIMPY LANDING ROAD, THIS ONE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED.
UM, AS FAR AS HOW, UH, THE HISTORY GOES ON IT, UM, THE FAMILY, I DON'T WANT TO CLICK OUT.
IT WAS OWNED, UH, BY SEVERAL FAMILY MEMBERS.
THEN THERE WAS SOME PROBATE, A TRUST WAS CREATED.
THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THIS OWNERSHIP.
UM, AND TALKING WITH MARK NOW, PREVIOUSLY, HE GAVE ME A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORICAL BACKGROUND, UM, THAT I CAN'T FIND, UH, RECORDED.
UH, AT THAT TIME WHEN WE PUT IN THIS, OUR ESTABLISHED, THIS, UM, BOAT LANDING, THE FAMILY HAD PROVIDED I GUESS, A VERBAL OWNERSHIP OR VERBAL ACCESS TO IT.
UM, BUT I CAN, WE CLEARLY HAVE BEEN MAINTAINING IT FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
UM, AND SO WE'RE ASKING ON THIS ONE AS WELL, TO, UH, PROCEED TO SECURE THE INTEREST THAT WE HAVE IN THE PROPERTY, AS FAR AS MAINTAINING IT AND CLAIMING IT AS A BOAT LANDING FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW IS THE ONE WE HAD THE HANDICAP ACCESS, I BELIEVE SO.
SO THIS WAS MORE THAN A LANDING.
THIS IS ALSO A PEER THAT'S A SOMEWHAT DISREPAIR.
AND THIS IS THE, UH, JUST THE ONE THAT HAS BEEN ASKING ME FOR ADA ACCESS FOR FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.
AND IT IS, IT IS BEHIND THE GREEN SIGN.
THAT'S WHERE THE BOAT RAMP IS.
AND THEN THE PIER STREET OKAY.
IT'S GOING TO COST A MILLION DOLLARS.
THERE'S SEVERAL ALTERNATIVES, BUT IN THE UPWARDS ARE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS DEPENDING ON THE ALTERNATIVE SELECTED.
SO IN JUST SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION, THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE BROAD RIVER FISHING PIER THAT IT'S APPEAR THAT WE INHERITED.
AND IT IS A OLD RAILROAD TRESTLE AND IT'S A, UM, DETERIORATING PIER.
UM, SO WE DO ANNUAL INSPECTIONS TO MAINTAIN THE, UM, THE, TO INSPECT THE STRUCTURAL STRUCTURAL DEFICIENCY, UM, AND IN DOING SO, UM, OUR LAST REPORT WAS DONE IN 2019 AND THE, BASICALLY THE, THE PEER MOVED FROM FAIR TO SERIOUS AS FAR AS ITS OVERALL CONDITION.
UM, FROM THAT IN 2020, WE DID A STUDY OF THIS AND OUT OF THAT STUDY, THERE WERE, UH, SIX OPTIONS OR SEVEN OPTIONS, WHICH WENT FROM DO NOTHING, WHICH WAS NOT REALLY WARRANTED BECAUSE OF THE, THE SAFETY COMPONENT, UM, ALL THE WAY TO REHAB.
UM, THE UNDERSIDE REPLACED THE DECK, REHAB IT AND REPLACE IT WITH ALUMINUM DECK OR A WOODEN DECK, UM, REMOVE AND REPLACE ALTOGETHER DEMOLISH AND REPLACE WITH A WOODEN PIER.
UM, EACH OF THEM HAD THEIR ALTERNATIVES, BUT IT RANGED FROM SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND TO ONE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS DEPENDING ON THE ALTERNATIVE SELECTED.
SO WITH THAT, UM, CURRENTLY THE LAST 25 FEET OF THE PEER HAS BEEN, UH, THIS HAS BEEN DESCRIBED AS STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT.
SO WE HAVE CLOSED OFF THE LAST 25 FEET IN HIS CURRENT CONDITION AND DUE TO THE CONDITION OF THE PIER AND THE LEGACY STATUS, WE HAVE NOT POURED INTO CAPITAL INVESTMENT, I E A HANDICAP RAMP OR THE OTHER, ANY CAPITAL OUTLAYS FOR THE PIER OR THE LANDING.
UM, SO IS THE CONDITION WITH THE HANDICAPPED RAMP.
SO THIS IS BEING USED ON A REGULAR BASIS AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
UM, AGAIN, IT HAS STEPS, SO IT'S NOT ADA ASSESSABLE AS FAR AS THE PEER.
BUT ALL THOSE DEFICIENCIES THAT YOU HAVE DECLARED THAT THIS HAS, AND THE FACT THAT WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS IT, WE'RE MAINTAINING IT.
OUR LIABILITY IS TREMENDOUS HERE.
SHOULD SOMEBODY USES THIS ON A REGULAR BASIS? HE HAS.
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ARE MAINTAINING IT.IT IS IN FAIR AND OPERABLE CONDITION.
IT'S JUST NOT IN A EXCELLENT CONDITION.
UM, SO WE HAVE SHUT DOWN THE ONLY PORTION THAT HAS BEEN DEEMED, UH, SATISFACTORILY UNSAFE, WHICH IS THE LAST 25 FEET.
LET ME JUST SAY THAT, UM, THIS IS AN OLD BRIDGE THAT WE CANNOT FIX.
SO EVENTUALLY IT'S JUST GONNA, IT NEED THERE'S NEEDS TO BE DEMOLISHED, OR WE NEED TO GET RID OF IT SIX ALTERNATIVES.
UM, IF WE DO A FULL REHAB, WE'RE ONLY EXPANDING INTO THE LIFE OF UP TO 25 YEARS.
UM, SO WE'RE GOING TO BE IN THIS SITUATION, WHETHER WE POUR MONEY INTO IT NOW OR LATER, UM, IF WE DEMO IT, IT'S A SIX TO $800,000 JUST TO DEMO IT.
AND THEN SHOULD WE CHOOSE TO BUILD A TIMBER PIER, UM, WHICH WAS THE RECOMMENDED OUT OF THE RAPPORT, ABOUT 300 FEET, ABOUT 11 OR 12 FOOT WIDE, THAT WOULD COST ABOUT 300, $15,000.
AND THAT WOULD HAVE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF ABOUT 50 YEARS.
SO THAT WAS WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED IN THE REPORT.
UM, DO NOTHING REALLY WAS NOT, UH, AN ALTERNATIVE BECAUSE OF THE SAFETY FACTOR.
IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT WE NEED TO SEE YOUR INTEREST IN THIS PROPERTY BEFORE WE START POURING MONEY INTO THIS.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION AFTER THIS, GO AHEAD.
IS THIS ONE IN THE MASTER PLAN STUDY TO BE TO, THIS WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE STUDY AS WELL.
BUT THOSE ARE THE ONLY, AS FAR AS GETTING AN ADA COMPLIANT WOULD TAKE DEMOLITION REBUILD OR OUR IMPROVE $1.5 MILLION, OR IF YOU MADE THE IMPROVEMENTS THERE TODAY, AS IT IS, AND ITS CURRENT, OBVIOUSLY A RAMP OF SOME, SOME, UM, TYPE OF RAMP WOULD BE REQUIRED.
UM, ALSO IF WE MAKE AN ADA ASSESSMENT, WE WOULD ALSO NEED HANDICAP PARKING IN THE PARKING LOT, A CONCRETE PAD FOR THAT.
UM, SO THERE'D BE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BRING IT ALL THE WAY UP TO ADA ACCESSIBILITY.
IS THERE ANY WAY ERIC COULD TOUCH BASE ON THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE WILLING TO HELP US OUT WITH AT LEAST JUST GETTING A RAMP IN THERE WHERE, UM, OUR DISCLOSURE WE TALKED ABOUT YESTERDAY.
UM, SO THE RECOMMENDATION TO YOU ALL TODAY WOULD BE TO, YOU ALL WANT TO PROCEED ON WITH PROVIDING HANDICAP ACCESSIBILITY TO THIS PIER IS THAT FIRST OF ALL, YOU DEAL WITH THE ENTRUST COUNTY INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY BECAUSE WE DO NOT, UH, TO JARED'S EARLIER POINT, WE DO NOT MAKE IMPROVEMENTS THESE PROPERTIES, WE JUST MAINTAIN THEM.
SO WE'D WRECK, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD CLEAN THAT UP AND SECURE OUR INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN AT THAT PARTICULAR POINT, WE COULD WORK WITH THE, UH, ENTITY THAT HAS RECOMMENDED OR HAS VOLUNTEERED TO, UH, CONSTRUCT A HANDICAP ACCESSIBILITY THERE AND ARE DOING AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM, GET YOU ALL TO APPROVE THAT, UH, AND THEN HANDLE THE HANDICAP ACCESSIBILITY.
BUT YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S A SHORT-TERM SOLUTION PENDING FUTURE STUDIES.
AND THAT'S WHY I'VE BEEN COMMUNICATING TO EVERYONE THAT WE NEEDED TO WAIT UNTIL THIS MEETING, UH, SO THAT WE HAVE DIRECTION ON THE ADA, UH, CAPABILITY SO THAT YOU ALL CAN UNDERSTAND THE FULL ISSUES WITH ALL OF THE THINGS ASSOCIATED WITH DOING THOSE THINGS.
AND BY THE WAY, WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT ADA COMPLIANCE, ANY OTHER OF THESE BOAT, LANDINGS, THIS CAN'T BE JUST THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS A PROBLEM.
EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE LANDINGS MAY HAVE ADA COMPLIANCE AND THAT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT'S ASSESSED IN THE CHAIRMAN.
YEAH, THERE'S OUR RAMP OR OUR LEVEL TO THE GROUND.
LIKE OVER AT JAYDEN, THEY MAY WELL BE RAMPED, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE ADA COMPLIANT.
IT ALSO DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY AREN'T AS WELL BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME, THERE ARE SOME LIMITATIONS ON ADA AS IT APPLIES TO, UH, PARK AND REC FACILITIES THAT ARE, UH, IN OPEN AREAS WHERE, UH, THAT, UH, CAPABILITY IS NOT OTHERWISE, UH, ABLE TO BE PROVIDED TO.
I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT, UH, UH, STATING THOSE THINGS.
UM, WE, WE DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE.
WE DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE OUT OF COMPLIANCE.
SOMEONE MADE A FACEBOOK POSTING THAT HAS GENERATED A LOT OF, UH, A LOT OF INTEREST.
UH, WE ARE LOOKING AT INTUIT AS A STAFF AS TO WHAT CAN BE DONE, UH, WITH IT, UH, SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A FULL RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
AND IF YOU ALL WANT US TO PROCEED ON WITH PROVIDING, UH, ADA CAPABILITIES TO THIS, DUE TO THAT FACEBOOK, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT, BUT WE NEED TO SECURE OUR
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INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY FIRST, BEFORE WE SPEND ANY KIND OF CAPITAL MONEY AND ADD THINGS TO THIS PROPERTY THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO MAINTAIN.THAT WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION.
IF I MIGHT ASK THE VOLUNTEER WHO WAS GOING TO CONSTRUCT THE HANDICAP RAMP THAT'S COST FOR YOU AS FAR AS THE COUNTY'S CONCERNED.
THEY DID VOLUNTEER TO BUILD THE RAMP WITH THE MATERIALS AND LABOR.
HOWEVER, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S ALSO IN, UH, IN ORDER FOR THEM TO BUILD A RAMP ONE, UH, YOU GUYS HAVE TO APPROVE THAT IMPROVEMENT, UM, AS ERIC MENTIONED, BUT ALSO THERE'S, THERE'S SOME OTHER CONCERNS.
UM, THAT ONE, WE NEED AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM.
UM, THEY'LL NEED A BUILDING PERMIT SINCE IT'S A PRIVATE ENTITY DOING WORK ON OUR, ON OUR FACILITIES.
UM, THERE'S JUST A COUPLE OTHER HURDLES THAT WE'D HAVE TO WORK THROUGH TO WORK WITH THE, UH, COMMUNITY GROUP.
HOW LONG WILL IT BE BEFORE WE GET THE REPORT? UH, PROBABLY ABOUT SIX MONTHS OR SO.
UM, AGAIN, WE'RE WE PLANNED TO BRING THEIR PROPOSAL AND FEE AND CONTRACT TO PFC IN SEPTEMBER, AND THEN WE'LL KICK THEM OFF WITH A NOTICE PROCEED, UM, TO START THEIR WORK.
ALL RIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE GO AHEAD AND, UM, SECURE THE COUNTY'S INTEREST IN THIS ABSOLUTELY DISH SHOULD BE DONE.
AND THEN WE'LL FOLLOW WITH THE VOLUNTEER CONSTRUCTING AROUND THE REPORT THAT THE CONSULTANT REPORT RECOMMENDED.
WE DEMOLISHED THE WHOLE AND CONSTRUCT A NEW ONE AND THEN WE'LL GO THAT ROUTE JUST GREAT.
THE JENKINS ISLAND BUILT LANDING S JENKINS ISLAND.
UM, THIS IS OFF OF 2 78 ON HILTON HEAD.
UM, THIS BOAT LANDING, EXCUSE ME, I WANT TO MAKE THIS A SAFE DOCK OR A PIER, UM, THIS HERE AND LIKE BRING UP THE RIGHT MAP IS THAT THE END OF JENKINS ROAD JENKINS ROAD IS A STATE OWNED ROAD.
THE COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE OWNERSHIP OF THIS PARKING LOT THAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE.
UH, WE HAVE BUILT AND MAINTAINED THIS PIER THAT DOES HAVE A FLOATING DOCK AT THE END OF IT, WHICH I DO BELIEVE ALSO ALLOWS FOR BOATS TO BE PULLED UP ON.
THAT WAS NEIL'S PART OF THIS PRESENTATION.
UM, SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS, UH, WE DO HAVE RECORDS THAT SHOW THAT THE COUNTY FINANCE FOR THIS PEER IN THIS, UH, DOCK TO BE BUILT.
AND AGAIN, WE DO NOT HAVE A FEE SIMPLE INTEREST IN THIS PROPERTY.
UM, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ARE IN CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, THIS, UH, CDLT IN ORDER TO OBTAIN AN INTEREST IN THE ROAD.
AND I WILL LET JARED, UM, AS HE'S ANXIOUSLY GETTING UP, UH, SPEAK ON THIS.
SO THERE WAS A PETITION FROM PRIVATE ENTITY, UM, FOR THIS ROAD TO BE TURNED OVER AS A PRIVATE ROAD TO DEITY, UM, AS A MUNIS, AS A RULE OF THUMB, UM, THE DEITY FIRST OFFERS IT TO THE LOCAL JURISDICTION AS FIRST RIDER REFUSAL.
SO THERE IS OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO GAIN CONTROL OF THIS ROAD AND RIDE AWAY, UM, AND PURSUANT TO TWO COUNTIES, UH, DIRECTOR COUNCIL'S DIRECTION WE CAN MAKE.
UM, THAT IS A TRANSFER REQUEST.
IT'S A PRETTY SIMPLE FORM FROM DDOT FOR THEM TO TRANSFER.
I THINK THEY'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF MAKING THAT STORM, THAT FARM PRETTY SIMPLE, SO THEY CAN TRANSFER AS MANY ROADS OUT AS THEY CAN.
UM, BUT ANYHOW, SO BENDING A DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL.
UM, WE COULD SECURE INTEREST OF THAT ROAD LEADING UP TO THE PIER.
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS ROAD AND WE'RE AT TEXAS.
IS THIS THE END OF THE ROAD THAT WE'RE SEEING HERE? OR IS THERE ANOTHER PARKING LOT FOR THE DOWN THERE? I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW YOU GET TO IT.
NO, THIS IS THE END OF THE ROAD.
IT ACTUALLY, THERE'S A, UM, A MARINA AND A, A RESTAURANT AND AN RV PART.
SO IT KIND OF DOES A, A U-TURN RIGHT THERE AT THE END.
UH, I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY TO THE LEFT BEFORE YOU GET THERE.
SO THERE'S THE KIND OF TURNAROUND INTO THE RV PARK SLASH MARINA SLASH RESTAURANT.
UM, AND THEN OUR INTEREST IS, IS STRAIGHTFORWARD.
SO, UM, AGAIN, THE ROAD RIGHT AWAY, WE'D HAVE TO COORDINATE WITH DDOT, UH, AS ON ONE ON WALLACE, I BELIEVE WHERE THE ACTUAL RIGHTAWAY ENDS AND THE INTEREST TO
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THE PEERS SLASH PARKING AREA WOULD BEGIN.UM, BUT WE DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GAIN CONTROL OF THE JENKINS ROAD.
THERE'S WHEN YOU GO DOWN THAT LEFT THERE AND YOU GO INTO THAT RESTAURANT, THERE'S A BIG PARKING LOT THERE THAT OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T OWN.
UM, AND THERE SEEMS TO BE A BUSINESS BEING CONDUCTED, UM, ON THE PEERS IN THERE THAT WE DON'T.
UM, SO THE PEER THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT WE MAINTAIN HAVE BUILT IS JUST AT THE END OF THIS LITTLE RIGHT AWAY.
IS THAT RIGHT? THE THING, IS THAT ANYTHING GOING OUT, WATER GEAR WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT'S RIGHT.
THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL PERIOD.
IF YOU LOOK PAST THE VEHICLE THERE, YOU CAN SEE THE BOAT RAMP AND APPEAR OR DOCK DOWN THERE DOES THAT BELONGS TO THE PRIVATE ENTITY TO THE RESTAURANT.
I WANT TO POINT OUT, I THINK YOU CAN SEE IT, HOPEFULLY CAN ON YOUR SCREEN, MY CURSOR RIGHT BEHIND THESE, UM, UM, JET SKIS, THERE'S A FENCE AND THERE'S A SMALL BUILDING.
THAT'S, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THIS IS THE DEFINITIVE BOUNDARY LINE, BUT THAT'S WHERE THE OTHER BUSINESSES START AS FAR AS YOUR USE OF THIS SEPARATE, UH, DOCK AND PIER AREA.
AND WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE THE RAM RIGHT HERE AT THE BASE OF THIS CAR.
THAT'S WHERE OUR OWNER, WHERE OUR MAINTENANCE STARTS.
BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF THE CONSTITUENTS THAT ARE CALLING AND COMPLAINING ABOUT LACK OF ACCESS TO THE PARKING LOT.
WE'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT LACK OF ACCESS TO THE PARKING LOT THAT JOINS THIS PIER.
AND THAT'S NOT OUR PARKING LOT.
IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW, UM, ALL AROUND THE ROAD, RIGHT AWAY, THE DOD RIGHT AWAY, THE COUNTY OWNS, OR EXCUSE ME, THE TOWN OWNS THE PROPERTY TO THE LEFT OF THAT WOODEN FENCE THERE IN THE PICTURE.
UH, THEY OWN ALL THE PROPERTY ON THE LIFT.
AND THEN ONCE YOU GET PAST THE RV PARK, THEY OWN ALL THE PROPERTY ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD, ALL THE WAY UP TO 78.
AND THAT MAKES, THAT REALLY CHANGES EVERYTHING WITH REGARD TO THIS POST, THAT PRIVATE BUSINESS.
IT'S SO MUCH CONTROVERSY SURROUNDING THAT BUSINESS AT THIS POINT, ALL SEEMS NOW TO BE A FALSE FLAG BECAUSE WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THOSE BUSINESSES, BECAUSE NONE OF THAT IS COUNTY PROPERTY, AND WE HAVEN'T BUILT ANY OF THOSE.
HERE'S WHAT BOX YOU WANT TO REFER TO THEM.
AND IF WE WERE GOING TO DO ANYTHING THERE HELPS CITIZENS USE OUR TO, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE SOMETHING WITH THE TOWN, WITH REGARD TO THAT LAND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, THAT SMALL WOODEN FENCE.
AND, AND ALSO IF YOU GO BACK TO THE ROOM, UH, YOU CAN SEE PEOPLE ARE PARKING ON THE LEFT AND RIGHT SIDE OF THE ROAD.
UM, THIS IS ALL WITHIN THE CURRENT DOD AWAY.
SO, UM, IF WE WERE TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THE ROAD, THEN THAT WOULD BE FOR THE COUNTY, DECIDE TO, UM, WE CONTINUE TO ALLOW FOR THAT PARKING TO TAKE PLACE, OR SHOULD THAT BE A PROTECTED SHOULDER? SO THAT THEN WE WOULD BE IN, UH, AS YOU'RE KIND OF DESCRIBING THE PARKING BUSINESS, IF WE ALLOWED PARKING ON STREET PARKING THERE.
WELL, IF WE WERE TO GET SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT WITH THE TOWN, DIAGONAL PARKING, YOU PUT AN IMPERVIOUS SPOT OVER THERE, GOOD DRAINAGE THAT MAY SOLVE THE PROBLEM TO THE CITIZENS WHO WERE SAYING THERE'S NEVER ANYWHERE TO PARK TO GET ACCESS TO THE COUNTY, MAINTAIN PIER.
I THINK A LOT OF THEM, YOU STAKE AND WE BELIEVE THE COUNTY RETAIN HERE IS ONE THAT'S PRIVATELY OWNED.
AND I THINK THAT'S THEIR COMPLAINT BECAUSE THAT PARKING LOT IS ALWAYS FULL.
BUT PEOPLE WHO WERE USING THAT SEE MONKEY AND LARRY, THE RESIDENTS THINK THAT'S A COUNTY LOT AND THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY CAN'T PARK THERE.
AND THESE ARE UP HERE TALKING ABOUT OUR PEER, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS A RELATIVELY SIMPLE PRIME PEER OUT INTO THE WATER THAT PEOPLE CAN STAND ON FISH FROM.
LET ME, LET ME JUMP IN REAL QUICK AND SAY THAT THE, THERE ARE TWO ENTITIES, NOT, IT'S NOT JUST THE RV PARK, THE RV PARK OWNS THE RV PARK.
PLUS THEY HAD GOT A SWIMMING POOL AND A COMMUNITY CENTER.
AND THEN, UM, TURNER TURNER'S MARINA THEN OWNS A PORTION OF THAT.
SO THE, THE ISSUE HAS BEEN THAT THAT PEOPLE GOING TO TURNER'S MARINA HAS BEEN PARKING ALONG THE ROUTE.
AND YET MOST OF THE PARKING, BECAUSE HE DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH PARKING FOR HIS BUSINESS ENTITIES WHERE THE JET SKIS ARE THAT'S TURNER'S MARINA.
HOW DO YOU GET TO THE BOAT RAMP?
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IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S SPACE ENOUGH FOR YOU TO GET AROUND THOSE, TO START THE DELINEATION OF GOING ONTO THE PIER.HOW DOES ONE FAX OR TRAILER DOWN TO GET THAT BOAT LANDED? YOU WENT TO THE PRIVATE ENTRANCE.
IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT FENCE.
SO YOU WOULD ACTUALLY ENTER THROUGH WHERE YOU SAW THE RV AND TRANCE.
YOU WOULD ENTER THERE, TAKE A RIGHT.
AND IN THE BOAT, THAT BOAT LANDING IS A PRIVATE ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY.
NO, NO NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT BOAT LAND.
ALL THE OWNERS THAT PEER RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE CAR, ARE WE MAINTAIN? I HAVE TO TELL YOU JUST DOING THIS HAS CLEARED UP SO MUCH MY MIND ABOUT ALL THE NATURE OF COMPLAINTS WITH GETTING PERMITS RESTROOMS AND EVERY OTHER THING, THIS WAS FINALLY BECOME CLEAR BECAUSE I HAVE TO TELL YOU I'M GOING OVER THERE.
IT DOESN'T APPEAR BECAUSE I MAKE THE LEFT AND GO INTO THE OTHER PARKING LOT.
YOU GUYS DON'T REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A BUCKINGHAM LANDING.
UM, AND I WAS TALKING TO, I BELIEVE THEIR LAWYER AND ASK HIM ABOUT THE LAWSUIT FOR ANOTHER LOCATION THAT WE WERE LOOKING TO GO TO.
AM I CORRECT? THAT THIS IS THE SAME PROPERTY THAT THE LAWYER THAT'S REPRESENTING BUCKINGHAM LANDING ALSO HAS A LAWSUIT GOING ON HERE.
I MEAN THE RV PARK PARKING OR THE TURNER'S MARINA, I KNOW POSSIBLY NOT A PARTY FOR THAT, RIGHT? YOU'RE NOT A PARTY TO THAT LITIGATION.
THERE IS SOME PENDING LITIGATION TO MY UNDERSTANDING.
I, I'M NOT EVEN SURE I WANT TO USE THE TERM LITIGATION BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S GONE THAT FAR.
I AM AWARE OF A DISPUTE ON A PRIVATE CITIZEN LEVEL THAT THE COUNTY IS NOT A PARTY TO.
THE REASON I BRING THAT UP IS BECAUSE WE HAD PEOPLE FROM BUCKINGHAM LANDING RECOMMEND JENKINS AS A PLACE THAT WE SHOULD MOVE OUT VERY, TO THEIR REPRESENTATION ALREADY.
AND ANOTHER ISSUE IN THE OTHER AREA THAT THEY WANT US TO GO TO.
I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT, WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE, MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE HAS, IS THAT SAME LOCATION, THAT BUCKINGHAM LANDING WANTED US TO MOVE TO THE LAWYER THAT THEY HAVE GOTTEN TO REPRESENT THEM AS ALREADY ON LITIGATION OR WHATEVER WORD YOU WANT TO USE, LIKE BRITTANY HEAD ON THIS PROPERTY OR THE TURNERS.
SO JUST SO WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS BARRIER UP IN THE FUTURE.
I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
I BELIEVE THAT WE ASKED THAT ATTORNEY, THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION PRESENTED TO US, I BELIEVE WAS HERE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
SO DIFFERENT ATTORNEYS I THINK OPERATING, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S KIND OF THREE DIFFERENT ENTITIES THAT ARE, OR ONE IS THE PUBLIC.
UM, WHAT ARE WE CALLING IT DOC RIGHT HERE.
WE'VE GOT THE PRIVATE ENTITY, WHICH IS THE RV RESORT IN THE MARINA.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT BUCKINGHAM LANDING, WHICH IS SEPARATE OBVIOUSLY IN, ACROSS THE BRIDGE.
RIGHT? SO THE SUMMARY OF THIS PARTICULAR ONE IS, DO WE WANT C A C, D O T TO TURN THE ROAD OVER TO US? YES OR NO.
IF THE GET THE RIGHT OF WAY, WE NOW WANT TO TALK TO HILTON HEAD BECAUSE THEY OWN LAND ALONG BOTH SIDES OF THIS ROAD, ABOUT EIGHT PARKING, LOT OF SUFFICIENT SIZE TO HANDLE THE INDIVIDUAL TRAFFIC THAT WOULD WANT TO PARK AND BE ABLE TO GO OUT ONTO THIS PIER.
AND I DON'T THINK ONE IS TIED IN NECESSARILY THE OTHER, IF WE DON'T GET THE RIGHT AWAY, WE CAN STILL NEGOTIATE, BUT THAT IMPERVIOUS PARKING LOT OVER THERE, THE PEOPLE THROW UP HERE.
I WOULD OFFER ON THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT, UM, AGAIN, THIS RIGHT AWAY CAME TO THE SURFACE BECAUSE OF ACTUAL, UM, TURNER NEIL TURNER WAS THE ONE THAT MADE THE PETITION TO DEITY TO TURN IT PRIVATE.
UH, IN THAT INSTANCE, THEN HE WOULD CONTROL THE INTEREST IN THERE.
HE COULD PARK AS HE SEE FITS, UM, VERSUS, UH, BELONGING TO A PUBLIC ENTITY, EITHER THE COUNTY OR, UM, THE TOWN.
SO THE TOWN OWNS, THIS IS, UH, THE COUNTY, THE ARMY PARK THE MARINA AND THE RESTAURANT ARE ALL IN UNINCORPORATED BUFORD COUNTY.
UM, AND THEN THE TOWN MUNICIPALITY STARTS WHERE THEY START OWNING THE PROPERTY, UM, OUT FRONT.
SO SHOULD, SHOULD THE COUNTY NOT TAKE, UH, THE INTEREST IN THE,
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IN THE ROAD THEN THE NEXT RIDER REFUSAL WOULD BE TO TOWN, A HILTON HEAD BEFORE IT GOES BACK TO THE PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL? YEAH.I DON'T THINK I WASN'T SUGGESTING WE NOT SHARE IT.
I WAS JUST SAYING WE MIGHT HAVE TWO PARALLEL MOVES HERE IN FISERV.
FADING MIGHT GET IT A LITTLE MUCH.
LET'S OPEN SOME OF THE DISCUSSION.
WE DON'T HAVE TO SEE IF THEY WOULD LET US PUT IT IN A PARKING LOT ON THAT LAND WE'RE CITIZENS.
WE PARKED IN A STROLL DOWN AND USE THAT PERIOD.
SO I DON'T, I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULDN'T PURSUE THE RIGHT ONE QUESTION ON THE ROAD.
WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE COST TO MAINTAIN IT.
HOW LONG IS IT? AND DOES IT MEET CTC CRITERIA FOR AN ORDER FOR US TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF IT? IT IS IN, UM, GOOD AND SETTABLE CONDITION.
SO IT WOULD MEET THOSE CONDITIONS.
UM, AS FAR AS IT'S IN OVERALL GOOD SHAPE, AS FAR AS THE PAYMENT STRUCTURE, UM, THERE'S PROBABLY SOME IMPROVEMENTS ON THE SHOULDER, SO IT DOESN'T CONTINUE TO SLOP OFF IF, IF WE WON'T MAINTAIN PARKING OR NOT.
UM, AND, AND SO IT WOULD BE IN LINE WITH OUR OTHER, UM, PAVED ROADS AS FAR AS THE COST AND THE COST OF MAINTENANCE.
AND THAT IS, UM, I DON'T HAVE A GOOD NUMBER OFF THE SPOT, BUT I CAN GET, UH, IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S AN AVERAGE.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY ON THE COST ON A, ON A PAPER AS WE DO A DIRT ROAD.
UM, IT'S MORE OF A, WHEN THERE THERE'S A NEED FOR RESURFACING, WE HAVE IT IN THE PIPELINE, LIKE A MILLION AND A QUARTER THAT WOULD BE MORE ON A RESURFACE.
AND, UH, IT'S LIKE 10 OR 15 YEARS.
AND THAT, AND THAT'S FOR A FULL, FULL RECLAMATION OF A RESURFACE IS PROBABLY A FULL RESURFACE IN, IS PROBABLY IN THE SIX TO 800,000 PER MILE.
UM, AND THAT'S, IF YOU JUST COME WITH A TWO INCH OVERLAY, IF IT NEEDS MORE WORK, IT GETS TO THE MILLION DOLLARS PER MILE.
UM, IF IT'S JUST A THIN, IT CAN BE AS LOW AS $200,000 PER MILE.
AND IT'S ABOUT, UH, IT'S A LITTLE LESS THAN A MILE IT'S I BELONG TO SAY IT'S ABOUT, UH, EIGHT TENTHS OF A MILE.
SO EVERYBODY IS CLEAR ON WHAT THE DIRECTION IS FOR THE JENKINS ISLAND BOAT LANDING, JOE, STILL ONE QUESTION.
UM, NO, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE, OF THE LAND ON JENKINS ISLAND IS IN THE TOWN.
UM, AND IT WAS, SEEMED TO ME THAT THE LOGICAL FIRST STEP IS TO TALK WITH THEM.
BUT THIS STRIKES ME IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE BETTER OWNED BY THE TOWN THAN OURSELVES, SINCE THEY OWN BASICALLY ALL OF THE SURROUNDING LAND.
BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH TALKING TO THEM FIRST, BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION.
WE HAVE HAD SOME PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE TOWN.
UM, AND AGAIN, UM, FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL GOES TO THE MUNICIPALITIES, OH, THEY GET TO GO FIRST OR NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND THE COORDINATE WITH DEITY.
UH, BUT REGARDLESS, UM, WHEN WE TALKED TO THEM INITIALLY, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WERE IN A POSITION.
UM, JUST TALKING WITH THEIR STAFF TO ACT AS QUICKLY, DOD IS READY TO TURN IT OVER TOMORROW.
UM, THAT THAT WAS THEIR POSITION.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WERE, UM, AS APT TO MOVE AS QUICKLY AS THE COUNTY.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IF WE TAKE OWNERSHIP AS THE COUNTY, THAT WE COULDN'T LATER COORDINATE THE TOWN AND, AND TURN IT OVER TO THE TOWN AT A LATER DATE.
UM, BUT THAT WAY IT WOULD MAINTAIN AS PUBLIC YOUR FLEET ROADWAY.
IT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION THAT WE HOPE YOU WILL.
YOU ALL MAY HAVE ALREADY AUTHORIZED US TO PURSUE THE RIGHT OF WAY FROM DDOT.
YOU WILL HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT ONCE WE GET TO THAT, UH, PROCESS, UM, A NURSE, A COUPLE OF REASONS FOR DOING THAT ONE, MOST OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT COME IN ABOUT THE MARINA PROPERTY IS PEOPLE PARK.
AND ALONG THAT ROAD RIGHT AWAY, I'M BLOCKING THE ACCESS.
IT COULD BE A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE.
SECONDLY, IS IF IT GOES INTO PRIVATE, UH, CONTROL, UH, UH, THEN, UM, OUR ACCESS TO THAT PIER, UH, MAY GET HINDERED IN SOME WAY, UM, UH, DOWN THE ROAD THAT WE MAY HAVE TO FIGHT AN ADDITIONAL BATTLE ON.
SO IT'S IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO TAKE OVER THE RIDE WHEN WE HAVE JENKINS ISLAND.
WELL THAT TAKES CARE OF ALL OF THE BOAT LANDINGS.
UM, KAREN STARTED REFERRING TO WHAT IS ACTUALLY OUT THERE AS A TITLE.
FOR EXAMPLE, WE KNEW THAT LANDING IS NOT OURS IN THE SAME THING WITH THE OTHERS, BECAUSE IT COULD BE VERY CONFUSING.
I WAS LIKE, THAT'S NOT OUR GOOD POINT.
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I, MY JOE, GERALD, AARON AND BRITTANY, UM, THERE ARE SOME BOAT LANDINGS THAT WEREN'T INCLUDED IN THIS PRESENTATION, ARE WE TO ASSUME THAT THEY'RE ALL IN GOOD SHAPE? UM, WELL, AS JUST POINTED OUT, SOME OF, UH, OUR STATISTICS MIGHT BE A LITTLE SKEWED BASED ON WHAT'S THE BOAT LANDING AND APPEAR.UM, BUT WE DO IN FACT, I BELIEVE HAVE SOMEWHERE AROUND 25 TO 30 OLD LANDING SLASH PEERS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, UM, YOU KNOW, DECIDE.
AND I HAVE GONE THROUGH ALL OF THEM, IF NOT NEARLY ALL OF THEM AND DETERMINED THAT OUR, OUR INTEREST HAS BEEN SECURED AND THOSE OTHER BOAT LANDINGS, OR ARE ALREADY BEING HANDLED IN A DIFFERENT MANNER.
SO THESE WERE THE ONES WE HAD THE LARGEST CONCERN ABOUT, UM, AND THAT WE NEED TO PROCEED FORWARD IN ORDER TO SECURE THAT INTEREST IN THEM.
SO AS FAR AS, UM, MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, THEN HE ALL DOES NOT BE INCLUDED IN THAT PROCESS.
YES, THEY, THEY HAVE BEEN INCLUDED AND AS JARED HAS, UM, STATED THAT THEY ALSO BE INCLUDED IN THAT MASTER PLAN TO BE REVISITED AND DECIDED AT THAT WHAT'S NEEDED, WHAT'S NOT NEEDED, BUT AS FAR AS THE INTEREST, THE INTEREST HAS BEEN SECURED ON THE OTHERS IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON, ADMINISTRATION KNOWS WHAT TO DO AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
AND WE'RE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF YOU TAKING ON THIS TASK THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU GET BACK TO US AS SOON AS YOU CAN.
[7. DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON RECREATION FACILITIES NOT OWNED BY THE COUNTYChuck Atkinson, Assistant County Administrator]
A DISCUSSION IN DIRECTION COUNCIL ON RECREATION FACILITIES THAT ARE NOT OWNED BY THE COUNTY.UM, AT THIS POINT IN THE CONVERSATION, I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT THERE ARE MANY LAYERS AND LEVELS TO BEAVER COUNTY, UH, FACILITIES WHO OWNS WHAT SYLLABLES ARE USED FOR AND HOW WE OWN THEM.
UH, IN PARTICULAR, WHAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT TODAY ARE FOUR LEASES.
OH, ONE OF THEM DEALS WITH THE LIBRARY SYSTEM AND THE OTHER ONES ARE PARKS AND REC.
THE LIBIDO LIBRARY IS THE ONE I WANT TO START WITH.
IT WAS STARTED IN THE YEAR 2000 AND IT EXPIRES IN, UH, DECEMBER OF 2025.
UH, THE, THE IDEA WAS IT WAS AN OLD SCHOOL.
IT WAS FAST TO ESTABLISH THE LIBRARY.
FORTUNATELY, THE BUILDING IS 60 YEARS OLD, SO WE'RE REACHING THE END OF A 25 YEAR LEASE.
AND A 60 YEAR OLD BUILDING, THERE IS AN OPTION FOR THE COUNTY TO EXTEND THAT LEASE BY 25 YEARS.
UH, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT BUILDING WAS SURVIVE ANOTHER 25 YEAR EXTENSION ON A LEASE.
UH, WE HAVE TALKED TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
I THINK THEY'RE IN TERMS OF SELLING IT.
WHAT COMPLICATES THAT MATTER IS THERE ARE TWO PIECES TO THE BUILDING CONNECTED BY A BREEZEWAY.
AND THERE IS A SECOND LEASE BY THE EOC ON THAT SECOND BUILDING AND THE EOC, THE EQUAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY COMMISSION ACTUALLY OCCUPIES THAT BUILDING.
SO MY POINT IN THIS PRESENTATION IS JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THESE PRESENTATIONS EXIST AND THAT THEY AT 2025 AND FOUR YEARS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
SO THEY NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN OUR FACILITIES MASTER PLAN, EVEN THOUGH THE LIBRARIES HAVE A SEPARATE, UH, FACILITIES PLAN.
THIS IS REALLY NOT, THIS HAS NOT BEEN INCLUDED IN THAT CONVERSATION.
SO JUST WANTING TO MAKE YOU AWARE THAT THAT'S OUT THERE, JUST ACTUALLY, I CAN PAY THE BUILDING.
I THINK THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW, IT'S BEING USED FOR STORAGE.
AS FAR AS I KNOW, THEY HAVE PLANS ON CLEANING IT OUT.
THEY WERE LOOKING FOR A GRANT TO RENOVATE THE BUILDING UNDERNEATH THEIR LEASE AND ACTUALLY MOVE INTO IT.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEIR STATUS IS RIGHT NOW.
SO THE SECOND ONE IS, UH, OUR POOLS.
ONE OF WE OWN THAT'S OUR LYNN BROWN, THAT'S ON GREEN STREET, DOWNTOWN ABOUT A QUARTER MILE FROM WHERE WE ARE NOW.
AND THEN WE AS AN UNCOVERED OUTDOOR POOL, THEN WE HAVE THREE OTHER POOLS THAT ARE COVERED POOLS.
ONE IS AT MC RILEY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IN BLUFFTON.
ONE IS IT BATTERY CREEK, HIGH SCHOOL IN BURDEN.
AND THE OTHER ONE IS BUFORD HIGH SCHOOL, UH, THAT LEASE WAS ENTERED INTO IN AUGUST OF 2000.
THE SCHOOL DISTRICT GAVE US THE LAND AND THE COUNTY BUILT POOLS.
SO YOU COULD IMAGINE A 20 YEAR OLD POOL, UH, THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF ISSUES WE HAVE GONE THROUGH.
UH, WE DID SOME EMERGENCY MAINTENANCE IF YOU WILL, FOR RESURFACING THE POOL, BECAUSE IT WAS GETTING DANGEROUS.
WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE LAST YEAR, BUT THE LARGER ISSUE, TWO PARTS TO IT, THE STRUCTURES THAT COVER THE POOL BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A CORROSIVE
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ENVIRONMENT HAVE STRUCTURAL ISSUES.SO WE ARE AT PUBLIC FACILITIES MEETING NEXT MONTH.
THERE'S A PROPOSAL TO HAVE A CONSULTANT COME IN AND DO A FULL ASSESSMENT OF THE BUILDING SO THAT WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
IF WE CHOOSE TO REPAIR THE BUILDING, UH, IT'S GOING TO BE EXPENSIVE TO DO THAT.
MY GUESS WOULD BE 800,000 PLUS PER LOCATION.
IF WE DID THAT AND EXTENDED THE LEASE, THEN WE WOULD CONTINUE OPERATIONS IS WE HAVE A THEY'RE LIMITED IN THEIR SIZE.
THEY ONLY HAVE SIX LANES IN EACH ONE.
I KNOW YOU'VE SEEN THE EMAILS ABOUT CAPACITY AND USE.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF DEMAND FOR POOLS AND THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH LANES TO GO AROUND, UH, TO BE QUITE HONEST.
SO WE'RE GOING TO BE FORCED WITH A DECISION OF REPAIRING THE POOLS AND EXTENDING THE LEASE FOR ANOTHER 25 YEARS OR ENDING THE LEASE AND FINDING AN ALTERNATE PLACE TO PUT POOLS.
UH, SO THAT CONVERSATION IS, IS COMING UP.
IF WE CHOOSE TO TURN THEM OVER TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, NOT SURE WHAT CONDITION WE CAN TURN THOSE OVER IN, OR IF WE HAVE TO DEMOLISH THEM OR WHAT WOULD RESULT, BUT I'M CERTAIN THAT WE COULD NOT JUST TURN THEM OVER IN THE CONDITION THEY'RE IN NOW WITHOUT, DO YOU WANT US TO WAIT TILL THEN? THAT'S FINE.
SO THE THREE COVERAGE POOLS, $800,000 EACH TO GAS AND SCHOOL DISTRICT USES THEM FOR SOME CLASSES OR THEY DID PRIOR TO COVID.
UM, DO YOU KNOW, DO THEY USE ALL THREE OF THEM FOR, UM, CLASSES? YES.
AND I THINK BACK WHEN THEY WERE BUILT, THAT WAS THE IDEA TO TEACH.
EVERY CHILD WOULD BE FOR COUNTING HOW TO SWIM BECAUSE WE'RE SURROUNDED BY WATER.
THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PLAN WHEN THEY DID THE ONE THAT WOULD BE FOR HIGH.
SO, UM, WHAT, ANY CONVERSATION WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ABOUT WHAT THEY WOULD DO WITH THAT PROGRAM? IF THEY, IF WE GOT OUT OF THE BUSINESS OR A FEW SIDEBAR CONVERSATIONS AND MY FEEL OF IT IS THEY DON'T WANT US TO GIVE THEM BACK BROKEN TOOLS.
IF DO YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD HAVE TO ASSESS HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO, TO REBUILD A POOL.
AND LIKE, IF WE WANT TO KEEP THEM AND YOU USE THEM RIGHT ON AND KEEP THE PARTNERSHIP GOING, THAT'S GOING TO BE AN EXPENSIVE PROPOSITION, SOMEBODY TO REPAIR THEM, OR DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT AN ALTERNATIVE WHERE WE ABANDONED THESE POOLS AND LOCATIONS, DEMOLISH THEM AND THEN GO SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE COUNTY AND IN A LARGER FACILITY OR TWO OR THREE.
BUT EVEN THAT IS A VERY EXPENSIVE PROPOSITION.
SO THIS IS COMING, THE LEASE IS UP IN A FEW YEARS AND, UH, THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE.
AND THEN THE OTHER OPEN DOOR CLOSED PUBLIC POOL IN THE COUNTY.
LYNN BROWN IS THE ONLY ONE GOOD REPAIR.
WE PUT SOME MONEY IN THAT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND IT'S, IT'S FINE.
AND THE VALUE OF THE COLUMN, THE CUPBOARD POOLS IS WHEN SCHOOL IS IN SESSION, YOU CAN USE IT FOR THE SWIM TEAMS. YOU HAVE YEAR ROUND SWIM TEAM ACTIVITIES.
SO AGAIN, MORE QUESTION MARKS THE PERIODS AT THIS POINT, BUT JUST WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE FACILITY'S CONVERSATION, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ON THE SCHOOL PROPERTY, THEY'RE OUR POOLS THEY'RE IN DESPERATE NEED OF REPAIR AND THE LEASE IS COMING TO IT'S COMING TO AN END.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE POOLS? YES, SIR.
IN GENERAL IS THE BEST LOCATION FOR POOL TO BE CO LOCATED AT THE SCHOOL IN GENERAL.
UM, SO THERE'S TWO WAYS TO LOOK AT THAT.
THERE, IT'S AN ESTABLISHED LOCATION.
THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THEY HAVE THE KIDS THERE THEY'RE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY IF THEY WANT TO USE THEM.
UH, BUT IT HAS ITS LIMITATIONS WHERE, AND THIS IS JUST FOR INSTANCE, IT'S VERY HYPOTHETICAL.
IF WE WERE TO BUILD A VERY LARGE POOL FACILITY AND OUTDOOR AQUATIC FACILITY AT OUR BLUFFTON REC CENTER, IT COULD ACCOMMODATE MANY MORE PEOPLE, BUT IT WOULD BE EXPENSIVE TO DO THAT.
IF WE DID IT UNCOVERED, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR LESS EXPENSE.
BUT IF WE WANTED TO MAKE IT YEAR ROUND AND HAVE AN OLYMPIC SIZED SWIMMING POOL IS COVERED, THEN YOU GET INTO THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS VERY QUICKLY.
SO IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WE'RE DOWN TO THAT WE REALLY NEED NEW POOLS AND IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHERE WE WANT TO LOCATE THEM.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE PUT MONEY IN THE POOL DECKS AND SOME OF THEM ARE EQUIPMENT.
IT'S THE STRUCTURES AND THE MECHANICAL SYSTEMS THAT ARE IN THOSE POOLS AFTER 20 YEARS, IT'S A CORROSIVE ENVIRONMENT AND IT'S JUST RUN ITS LIFE CYCLE.
IT JUST, IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT WHEN ALL OF THIS WAS ENTERED TO 20 YEARS AGO, IT'S SORT OF A TEMPORARY SOLUTION TO A PERMANENT PROBLEM.
AND NOW WE'RE LEFT RESOLVING ALL OF THESE ISSUES 20 YEARS LATER.
IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THE MAINTENANCE COST THERE WAS, IS PROBABLY OUTRUNNING THE BONDING
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COST TO BUILDING SOMETHING NEW.IT'S BURDENED SOME I'LL SAY THAT.
I MIGHT SAY HAVING THE TOOLS AND THEN THE SCHOOLS, I THINK FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT'S POSITION, UM, IT'S A COST SAVING FOR THE PATIENT AND TRAVELING.
SO, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE OLYMPIC SIZE OR ANYWHERE ELSE, AND THAT'S GOING TO CUT INTO HAVING A LOAD OF KIDS ON THE BUS, HAVING TO TRANSPORT THEM TO THE, SO ALL THAT'S TIME LOSS, WHEN, IF YOU JUST HAD THE COOLEST AT THE SCHOOL, IT'S TIME SAVED AND IT'S DOING A BENEFIT OF A COST SAVING FOR THE, FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
AND I THINK IT ALL COMES DOWN TO DOLLAR SIGNS REALLY.
I MEAN, COULD WE RENOVATE EXPAND THE POOLS THERE IF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS SO INCLINED TO ALLOW US TO DO THAT? CERTAINLY WE COULD, BUT NOW WE'RE GETTING INTO, YOU KNOW, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS PER LOCATION BECAUSE IT'S A DO-OVER.
UH, SO IT'S EITHER GOING TO BE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON THE POOLS TO RENOVATE THEM, SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON THE POOLS TO RENOVATE AND EXPAND THEM WHERE THEY ARE, OR SPEND A LOT OF MONEY TO BUILD ONE IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION AND MAKE THESE POOLS GO AWAY.
UH, MR. CUNNINGHAM HAS HIS HAND UP.
UM, MAYBE THIS WAS, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY TO SORT OF PIGGYBACK OFF THING, JOE KELLEN AND ERIC AND MYSELF KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT ANOTHER REX.
I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A VERY LARGE COMPLEX.
WE COMPETE WITH TRIALS, WE'LL BE HELPING THEM TOYS IN HERE AND COST TO BE ABLE TO USE IN THE OFF SEASON FOR THE REST OF OUR COMMUNITY.
MAYBE THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DESIGN SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THEIR LOVELY SIZE POOLS AND GIVE IT A WHOLE BUNCH OF TOURNAMENTS THERE.
OR MAYBE IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT MORE BALL FIELDS THERE NEAR THE OLYMPIC SIZED POOL LIKE THAT OVER AT THE BLACK AND RED CENTER AREA FOR A COVER SIZED POOL, SOMETHING ALONG THAT OBVIOUSLY WE'RE SUPER EARLY INTO THAT PROJECT.
UM, BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT THERE ARE OUT THERE TO PEOPLE THAT THINK ON TWO BIRDS, ONE STONE MAKES SENSE TO ME.
I MEAN, MY PERSONAL TAKE IS I LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE OF ALL OF IT.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A REALLY LARGE OUTDOOR FACILITY AND STATE-OF-THE-ART INDOOR FACILITIES IN MANY LOCATIONS.
UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, AND I KNOW THIS IS SEPARATE FROM THE CONVERSATION, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, UH, AQUATIC FACILITIES THAT GENERATE INCOME FOR THE COUNTY, SUCH AS WATER PARK, SPLASH PAD, UH, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
A LOT OF COMMUNITIES DO THAT BECAUSE THEY DO GENERATE A LOT OF REVENUE.
BUT AGAIN, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO GET SIDEBOARD TOO FAR DOWN ON THAT, BUT, UM, JUST JUST KNOW THAT THIS LEASE IS COMING TO AN END.
UM, THESE QUESTIONS ARE GONNA COME UP SOONER THAN LATER.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF ALL OF THAT.
CAN YOU GIVE US THE HISTORY OF MAINTENANCE ON ALL THESE POOLS OR NO REAL ALLOCATED AND SPENDING MONEY ON THESE, ON THE MAINTENANCE.
SO THEY GO BACK, I DON'T KNOW, EVERY FIVE YEARS, AND THIS BUILDS THE HISTORY OF THE COST OF THE POOL INTO THESE POOLS OVER THE YEARS.
I, THERE ARE LIMITATIONS TO HOW FAR I CAN BREAK THAT DOWN, BUT I CAN, I CAN TELL YOU WHAT I, I KNOW, UM, THE POOL DECKS, WE'RE LOOKING AT 60, 70,000 BUCKS A PIECE.
WE'VE DONE THREE OF THEM IN THE LAST YEAR.
UH, WE ARE CONSTANTLY HAVING ISSUES WITH PUMPS.
THOSE ARE EXPENSIVE, UM, IN THE THOUSANDS, UH, THE HPAC SYSTEMS, UH, ARE 20 YEARS OLD.
THEY'RE SHOT THAT'S IN THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS.
UM, AND AS FAR AS THE BURDEN FOR MAINTENANCE, UM, MARK AND HIS CREW ARE CONSTANTLY HAVING TO GO AND PATCH THESE SYSTEMS BECAUSE THEY'RE OLD AND QUITE FRANKLY, JUST BROKEN.
I HATE TO BE SO HARSH WITH THAT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE REALITY OF WHERE WE ARE.
YOU, YOU, YOU'RE GOING INTO THE FUTURE.
WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE NOW? I WAS JUST ASKING, HOW MUCH DO WE NEED TO SPEND? WHAT WOULD HE USE? OH, THAT'S NO, THAT'S THAT'S CURRENT.
IT IS BROKEN AS WE SPEAK, WE'RE WAITING ON A PART TO COME IN AT THE BLUFFTON POOL SO THAT IT CAN BE UP.
UH, THESE ARE, THESE ARE ISSUES TODAY.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE EXPENSES, BUT ANYTIME ANY OF THOSE SYSTEMS BREAK IT'S IN THE THOUSANDS, IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE
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TO FIX THEM.UM, SO YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BROKEN NOW.
AND THEN THE MAINTENANCE COST IS RATHER HOT THREE MONTHS.
NOW MY NEIGHBORHOOD SHOWING YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD.
SOME POINT IN TIME, THERE IS A LIFE CYCLE FOR NO MATTER WHAT THEY JUST WEAR OUT.
AND SO NOW WE'RE, AT THAT POINT, WE NEED THE POOLS OBVIOUSLY, BUT WE NEED NEXT GENERATION HOLE AND THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO DEVELOP.
WHAT WILL THE NEXT GENERATION POOL LOOK LIKE FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS? YES, SIR.
AND WHEN WE REPORT BACK WITH THAT, I WILL ALSO INCLUDE, UH, THE INCREASE IN CAPACITY THAT WE'VE SEEN, UH, WITH SWIM TEAMS AND, UM, THE POPULARITY OF SWIMMING AND AQUATIC SPORTS.
SO, UM, AND, AND AGAIN, UM, JUST WHAT LOGAN HAD SAID BEFORE.
WE'VE BEEN KICKING AROUND THE IDEA OF RECREATION CENTER, UM, THAT CAN DRAW A LOT OF PEOPLE TO THIS AREA THAT REALLY, IF WE HAVE THE LAND WHERE WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE PEOPLE, THEY WILL COME AND WORK, YOU KNOW, UM, JASPER COUNTY OR HARDY VILLAGE JUST PUT UP DIRECT CENTER FOR THEIR POPULATION AND THEY ARE BOOMING.
THEY, THEY THOUGHT, WELL, MAYBE A HUNDRED PEOPLE WOULD SIGN UP IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS.
THEY GOT 250 PEOPLE TO SIGN UP IN ONE DAY.
SO THERE IS A NEED OUT THERE, A WANT AND A NEED FOR FACILITIES THAT PINGO CAN GO TO YEAR ROUND.
SO MOVING ON FROM POOLS, IF NO ONE ELSE HAS A QUESTION ABOUT POOLS, UH, THERE ARE TWO OUTLYING CENTERS.
AND WHEN I SAY CENTERS, THESE ARE, UM, SMALL FACILITIES, ONE BUILDING, UH, THE BOOKER T WASHINGTON IS THE FIRST ONE I'M GOING TO TALK TO OUT IN BIGGEST STATE, WHICH IS OUT IN SEABROOK.
UM, IT IS ABOUT AN ACRE AND A HALF.
IT HAS A, IT'S A BUILDING THAT HAS A ROOM, A KITCHEN.
IT HAS A PLAYGROUND AND A BASKETBALL COURT THAT'S WHAT'S OUT THERE.
SO IT IS CURRENTLY UNDER A 50 YEAR LEASE.
UH, AUGUST OF 2029 IS WHEN THAT LEASE IS GOING TO EXPIRE.
THERE ARE OPTIONS FOR EXTENDING IT, THE COMPLICATING FACTORS, UH, ON THIS ONE, THE COUNTY ACTUALLY BUILT THE FACILITIES, UH, UNDER THE LEASE ON THE LAND, THE LAND IS CURRENTLY OWNED BY A TRUST.
IT IS THE BIGGEST STATE AND COMMUNITY TRUST.
AND AS FAR AS WE KNOW, THERE IS ONLY ONE LIVING MEMBER OF THAT TRUST LEFT AT THE LAST PARKS AND REC, UH, BOARD MEETING.
THERE WERE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THERE.
WE SPENT CONSIDERABLE TIME TALKING TO THEM ABOUT OPTIONS FOR THIS, UH, CENTER.
AND IT WAS INDICATED THAT THERE WAS ONE LIVING PERSON, UH, FOR THIS TRUST.
AND WE HAVE A MEETING OUT AT THE CENTER TONIGHT AT SIX O'CLOCK, UH, TO CONTINUE THAT CONVERSATION.
AND WE ARE IN HOPES THAT WE CAN ACQUIRE THIS LANE AND OWN IT, UH, BECAUSE AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE, A 40 YEAR OLD FACILITY IS REACHING THE END OF ITS LIFE CYCLE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CLEAR THIS ONE UP BEFORE WE CAN, UH, MAKE ANY FACILITY INVESTMENTS, UH, BECAUSE WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS HAVE AN OPEN-ENDED LEASE THAT ENDS IN 2029 WITH NO CLEAR OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY, UH, IN THE INTERIM, WE'RE PATCHING THE BUILDING.
UH, WE DON'T WANT TO PUT A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY IN IT UNTIL WE SORT OUT THE OWNERSHIP AND THE LEASE.
SO AFTER TONIGHT'S MEETING, I'M HOPING THAT WE WILL HAVE A CLEAR RESOLUTION AND PATH FORWARD FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THE BUILDING SO THAT WE CAN IMPROVE IT.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT A COUPLE OF OPTIONS FOR PROGRAMMING.
UH, THIS MORNING I HAD A REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION WITH OUR LIBRARY DIRECTOR.
UH, SHE INDICATED THAT IN ADDITION TO THE LIBIDO LIBRARY, THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE RESOURCES OUT FARTHER IN THE JAMASZI AND BIGGEST STATE AREA.
AND POSSIBLY WE COULD CO-PROGRAM THIS, AND IT'S, IT'S, UH, EARLY IN ITS DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A WAY TO OWN THE BUILDING AND THEN IMPROVE IT AND INCREASE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE PROVIDE IN THAT AREA.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ONE? THE BOOKER T.
HELENA ISLAND IS THE SCOTT COMMUNITY CENTER.
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A ONE ACRE PARCEL.UH, THE LEASE IS FOR A ONE ACRE PARCEL.
THE ACTUAL SITE IS MORE OF ABOUT FOUR ACRES.
IT'S ONE BUILDING, TWO ROOMS, A KITCHEN, A BATHROOM.
THE COUNTY HAS PUT IN BALL FIELDS, TENNIS COURT, BASKETS, BALL COURT, AND LIGHTING.
UM, THE LEASE IT'S A 25 YEAR LEASE.
AGAIN, THAT WAS STARTED IN, UH, 2000.
YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE THEME OF THE LINE OF REASONING BEHIND A LOT OF THESE THINGS BACK 20 YEARS AGO.
AND I ALL SORT OF HAPPENED AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, BUT IT IS OWNED BY THE, UH, YOUNG MEN SOCIAL CLUB.
THIS LEASE EXPIRES DECEMBER OF 2025.
AND THE QUESTION WITH THIS ONE, WE DO NOT, TH THIS IS AN ACTIVE COMMUNITY GROUP THAT STILL RESERVES THE RIGHT TO USE THE BUILDING.
AND THEY DICTATE THE PROGRAMMING THAT WE PUT IN THE BUILDING.
UH, THERE SPENT A LOT OF PRESSURE FROM BOTH THE BIGGEST STATE AND, UH, THE SITE HELL AND THE SCOTT COMMUNITY IN PARTICULAR FOR PROGRAM.
UH, THE ISSUE WITH PROGRAMMING AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION IS THE PROGRAMMING HAS TO BE DONE BY THE COUNTY PROPERTY.
SO IT IS SPECIFICALLY WRITTEN IN THE LEASE THAT IF WE WANT TO DO PROGRAMMING WITH A THIRD PARTY, UM, TO, TO CONTRACT IT, THEY HAVE TO APPROVE THIS GROUP HAS TO APPROVE THAT ACTIVITY.
AND THERE IS SOME DIFFERENCE OF OPINION OF, OF WHO SHOULD DO THE PROGRAMMING.
UM, THERE ARE CERTAIN GROUPS THAT WANT TO USE IT.
UM, AND THIS PARTICULAR GROUP SAYS NO.
SO, AND THEN THERE'S, UH, OTHER REQUESTS FOR SERVICES OUT THERE THAT THE COUNTY REALLY CAN'T SUPPORT AT THIS TIME.
IF, UM, IF WE CHOOSE TO, UH, EXTEND THE LEASE, WE PROBABLY WANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THE TERMS OF THAT EXTENSION WOULD BE.
UH, IN ADDITION, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE LEASE THAT SAYS WE ARE BOUND TO MAINTAIN THAT PROPERTY.
YET, THERE WAS A BUILDING THAT WAS DAMAGED IN HURRICANE MATTHEW AND THE COUNTY IS BEING ASKED TO REBUILD, REBUILD THAT BUILDING, WHICH WAS AN EXISTING BUILDING ON THE SITE.
I BELIEVE WHEN THE LEASE WAS SIGNED, BUT WE'RE NOT REALLY OBLIGATED TO DO THAT.
AND IF THE LEASE IS GOING TO EXPIRE AND WE DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY, WE DON'T WANT TO SPEND TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, UH, BUILDING BUILDINGS AND THEN HAVE THE OWNERSHIP TRANSFER BACK IF WE DECIDE TO GET OUT OF THE LEASE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE WITH THESE FOUR LEASES.
AGAIN, IT'S MORE FOR INFORMATION LETTING YOU KNOW THAT THEY'RE OUT THERE.
UM, SO WHEN THE CONVERSATIONS COME UP, YOU, UM, IT'S NOT A SURPRISE.
AND I ALSO ONLY THE PROPERTY FOR THE TENNIS COURT.
I MEAN THE BASKETBALL COURT AND THE BASEBALL FIELDS TOO.
SO WE'RE MAINTAINING THOSE AND, AND DOING THAT AS WELL.
AND IN MY READING OF THE LEASE, THE LEASE IS FOR A ONE ACRE SECTION OF WHAT THEY OWN ALL OVER TIME IS SORT OF EXPANDED.
YES, WE MAINTAIN THE BALL FIELDS, WE'VE PUT LIGHTING OUT THERE.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S ALL PART OF THE DEAL AT THIS POINT.
UM, THE YOUNG MEN SOCIAL CLUB, THEY, THEY DO HAVE GATHERINGS IN THE BUILDINGS.
AND THE COUNTY UP BEFORE COVID HAD PROGRAMMING, WE HAD AFTERSCHOOL AND SENIOR CARE, WHICH WE PLAN ON REESTABLISHING THAT IN THE AREA.
UH, JUST NOT SURE HOW WE'RE GONNA APPROACH THIS BECAUSE THE LEASE EXPIRES HERE PRETTY SOON, FOUR YEARS.
SO THE QUESTION IS, DO WE ASK, UM, DO THE COUNTY OWN ANY OF THE LANES AND I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND YOU, SIR.
IS IT THE MAIN, IS ANY OF THE BRAND AS A HUNDRED ACRES OWNED BY THE CLIENT? DOES THE COUNTY OWNED ANY OF THE LANES? WELL, WE DON'T OWN ANY OF THE SCOTLAND AT ALL, AS FAR AS I KNOW.
UM, I THINK THAT, UM, IF YOU CANNOT GIVE ME AT THIS TIME, UH, I MAY NEED TO JUST GO AHEAD AND TYPE IT IN THE CHAT ROOM.
SO YOU HAVE A DIFFICULTY HEARING ME.
UM, I THINK WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND START THE NEGOTIATION WITH THEM ABOUT, UM, THINK THIS COMMUNITY, THIS AREA IS CONSERVED 40 YEARS, AND I SEE FOR US TO JUST CONTINUE ANY EFFORT AT THIS TIME, UM, PROBABLY BE A DRAMATIC, UM, AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD NOT SPEND MONEY ON THE BUILDING ITSELF.
BASICALLY YOU HAVE AN AGREEMENT TO MOVE FORWARD.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD ASK YOU TO DO IS, UM, MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE IS A DENIAL
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BY ANY GROUP THAT WE'RE NOT DISCRIMINATING AND NOT DISCRIMINATING, MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S AN OBJECTIVE REASON FOR NOT ALLOWING AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN HERE, BUT IT CANNOT BE ALL DISCRIMINATION HAS TO BE OBJECTIVE.I CAN TELL YOU, I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE.
I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE IF SOMEBODY IS REQUESTING USE OF IT.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAVE A LEGITIMATE REASON FOR DENYING, UM, AND IF THEY, THEY CONTINUE TO, YOU KNOW, SET PRECEDENT, THAT'S ONE THING.
BUT IF IT'S SUBJECTIVE, THEN I HAVE, I REALLY DID HAVE A PROBLEM.
UM, SO JUST MAKING SURE THAT, UM, UM, THAT IS ALL DEPRECIATED AS YOU MOVE FORWARD, UM, IF THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DENY IT, IT HAS TO BE OBJECTIVE NOW.
FOR AN EXAMPLE, IF YOU CLAIM THE CLAIMS WOULD BE THAT FACILITY, I CAN UNDERSTAND THEM SAYING NO.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AN EXTREME, UH, BUT, UH, UH, AN EXAMPLE, BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND THEM SAYING NO TO THAT, BUT JUST BECAUSE I'M WHITE, BLACK, AND YOU CAN'T USE IT BECAUSE OF THAT, I THINK THAT'S DISCRIMINATION UNDERSTOOD.
I HAD A QUESTION THAT MANY YEARS AGO, THERE USED TO BE ORGANIZED SPORTS OUT THERE, BUT THERE'S NOT ANYMORE.
IS THERE ANY ORGANIZED, UM, PARKS AND REC ACTIVITY SPORTS? SO I THINK THE FACILITY FOR CODE IS BEING USED FOR PRACTICES, BUT MOST OF THE GAMES THE GAMES ARE DONE AT WESLEY FELIX.
AND I MEAN, WE PUT A MILLION DOLLARS IN WESTLAKE FELIX A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, AND IT'S A VERY, VERY NICE FACILITY.
SO PRACTICES AND ACTUAL GAME DAYS ARE THERE.
IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
YEAH, THAT'S A, THAT'S ACTUALLY, COOSAW, UM, THERE'S ANOTHER LEASE FOR, I DON'T HAVE A COPY OF THAT LEASE, BUT IT'S GOING, AND IT'S A, I THINK IT'S UP IN 2023 OR 2024 AT COOSAW.
IT'S, IT'S A, I BELIEVE IT'S A ONE ROOM BUILDING AND THERE'S A LITTLE PLACE SET OUT FRONT IT'S THERE'S NOT MUCH THERE.
I THINK THERE'S A BASKETBALL COURT THERE THAT WE LEASE THE BUILDING, BUT WE DON'T CURRENTLY PROGRAM OR USE THE BUILDING.
IT'S ONLY USED AT THIS TIME FOR, UM, EVENTS BY THE, THE HOST GROUP.
THEY, THE OWNERS OF THE BUILDING THAT WE LEASE IT FROM AND THE, UM, THE ELECTION COMMISSION USES IT FOR ELECTIONS.
SO WHEN THAT ONE COMES FORWARD, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER WE NEED TO CONTINUE THAT LEASE OR NOT.
WHAT ABOUT, OH, THAT'S BROOMFIELD AND WE OWN THAT ONE THAT ONE'S OURS.
WE OWN THE BUILDING AND THE BALL FIELDS, AS FAR AS I KNOW OTHER QUESTIONS THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER ACTION TO COME BEFORE THE COMMITTEE? NO, SIR.
UNLESS YOU ALL HAVE ANYTHING FOR US.
ANY COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS BEFORE WE LEAVE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR DIGGING DEEP AND ALL OF THIS.
TO SAY THE LEAST OR LEASE OR LEASES.
WE WILL ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 3:40 PM.