* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:19] MEANING THE STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. CAN YOU ALL HERE? YES, NOT REAL WELL, BUT IT SOUNDS A LITTLE MUFFLED. YEAH, EXACTLY. OKAY. THAT'S GREAT. UM, AND I WILL START OFF WITH THE SAME. I HAVE THREE TALK ABOUT GROWTH BUILDING CAPACITY AND CAPACITY, AND ALSO YOUR EX CAN WE HAVE THE PLAN, GIVE US AN UPDATE. AND THEN, UM, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOUR THREE THINGS. UM, I THINK MAYBE WE COULD ALSO SAY, UM, THE GROWTH OR IN LACK OF GROWTH, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE GROWTH. RIGHT. UM, I THINK IT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA ABOUT THE, UM, PLANNERS, UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE, THERE IS BUILDING GOING ON, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU READ ABOUT OVER THERE WHOLESALE ROAD WHERE, WHICH I THINK DRAWS KIDS TO ROBERT SMALLS, THEY'RE TALKING HUNDREDS. SO MR. CAMBA, I THINK YOU'RE SPOT ON WITH, WITH THOSE IDEAS. TIM STANDS UP. YEAH. SO EARL I HEARD YOUR FIRST TWO, YOU SAID GROWTH BUILDING CAPACITY. WHAT WAS YOUR THIRD THING? OH, OKAY. OKAY. YEP. ALL RIGHT. PERFECT. YEAH, THAT SOUNDS GREAT. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING, UM, MR. GAMBLE, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY, UH, BE REALLY WORTHWHILE FOR THE COMMITTEE TO DO SOME SERVICES YOU TO, UM, INCLUDE, UM, MAYBE JUST SOME OF THE SIC MEETINGS, JUST TO KIND OF HEAR, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, BUT DEFINITELY DO SOME SCHOOL VISITS TO, TO DO MY VISUAL. YES, YES. OKAY. YEAH. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE. THAT'S SORT OF WHAT WE DO WITH THEM WAS TO, UM, COORDINATE THEM. PRINCIPAL HAVE INFORMATION FOR YOU WITH YOU WHILE YOU'RE BUILDING BUILDING INFORMATION, YOU'VE GOT A FLOOR PLAN, BUT ALL THAT INFORMATION, YOU LOOK AT IT AND TAKE HIM. AND WOULD THAT INCLUDE THE PROGRAM INFORMATION TOO? LIKE FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT SEE A SCHOOL THAT APPEARS TO HAVE A LARGE BUILDING CAPACITY, BUT THEIR PROGRAM, BECAUSE THEY MIGHT BE A CLUSTER FOR A SPECIAL EDUCATION OR SOMETHING WOULD TAKE UP MORE ROOM THAN YOU MIGHT NORMALLY THINK OF. SHE HAD THAT FORMULA AND SHE WAS FINE. UM, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE UPDATING THIS YEAR, UM, AS PART OF OUR TEAM. RIGHT. SO HE'S GOING TO BE HELPING US WITH THAT KIND OF INFORMATION [00:05:01] DISTRICT-WIDE STARTING TO START. UM, SO, UM, YES, CAUSE IT REALLY HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED IN SEVERAL METERS AND CERTAINLY AS PROGRAMS CHANGE, I KNOW IT HASN'T BEEN DONE SINCE 18. YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO SHARE THAT MIGHT JUST AS HARD FOR THEM TO GET IT. SO YES, THAT WAS SOMETHING WE ALL SAID. OKAY. YOU KNOW, AS THE SCHEDULE, WE'LL JUST TRY TO STAY ONE STEP AHEAD. SO I JUST, I THINK, UM, IF COULD HAVE SOME VALIDITY BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR SOME TEACHER AND PARENT VOICES, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT, I DON'T EXACTLY AT THIS POINT, KNOW THE, WHAT PURPOSE OR WHICH ONE TO ATTEND OR TO SAY, ASKED TO BE ON THE AGENDA. I JUST WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT IN OUR MINDS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN SEE THINGS AND WE CAN TALK TO THE PRINCIPAL, NO DOUBT, BUT IT'D BE REALLY INTERESTING TO HEAR WHAT PARENTS THINK OF THEIR SCHOOL CAPACITY OR WHAT THEIR PROGRAMS ARE OFFERED AND WHAT THEIR VISION MIGHT BE AT TEACHERS. AND THAT, THAT JUST WOULD BE AN AREA WHERE YOU CAN GET ALL OF IT. NO, MAYBE DOWN THE ROAD, ONCE WE'VE KIND OF DEFINED BOARD WITH SOME QUESTIONS, MAYBE YOU MIGHT WANT SOME FOR SOMETHING. UM, MY QUESTION TO THE COMMITTEE WOULD BE WHAT, WHAT IS THE PRODUCT OF THE COMMITTEE GOING TO BE? IT'S THE SAME QUESTION I HAD OF THE SOUTH OF THE BROAD COMMITTEE, UM, CAUSE I'M NOT REALLY SEEING A PRODUCT COMING OUT OF THAT, OF THAT COMMITTEE. SO, UH, I THOUGHT I'D GET THE QUESTION IN UPFRONT HERE AS TO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WILL BE YOUR PRODUCT IS, ARE WE USING OUR ABILITIES? UM, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, IF YOU GOT SOME EMPTY SPACE, WHAT CAN WE DO? WE CAN WORK WITH THE COUNTY ISSUES AS FAR AS PROGRAM CAPACITY UP TO SPEED ON. THEY WANT TO REDUCE IT. OKAY. I AGREE WITH THAT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON WHAT YOU'D BE PRESENTING TO THE BOARD AND, AND THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT'S NEEDED. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. CAMPBELL. UM, SO I'VE BEEN KIND OF EDUCATING MYSELF ON THE REFERENDUM BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IN THE NOT SUPER DISTANT FUTURE, WE NEED TO START TALKING ABOUT THE SECOND PHASE OF THE REFERENDUM. AND IN THAT THERE IS A PROPOSAL THAT THERE WILL BE A COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION THAT WILL LOOK AT, UM, CAPACITY NORTH, NORTH OF THE BROAD, WILL THIS LAY SOME OF THE GROUNDWORK FOR THAT? WILL THIS BE A, UM, LIAISON WITH, UH, THE COMMUNITY, UH, ASPECT OF THE COMMITTEE? ARE WE STILL THINKING ABOUT HAVING THAT COMMITTEE, UM, COMING IN? CAUSE I KNOW, I THINK, UH, WHAT I READ AND I DON'T HAVE IT UP ON MY SCREEN RIGHT NOW, BUT WAS, UH, BEFORE WE BRING THE SECOND PHASE OF THE REFERENDUM, WE NEED TO HAVE A COMMUNITY NORTH OF THE BROAD CAPACITY KIND OF COMMITTEE. UM, AND WITH THE DATE OF OSTENSIBLY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE 22ND, 23RD OR 24TH YEAR, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, NOVEMBER 22, 23, 24, LOOKING AT POSSIBLY HAVING ANOTHER REFERENDUM. SO I JUST WONDERED HOW THIS WOULD INTERACT WITH THAT. I THINK THIS IS AN AVENUE BOAT, RIGHT? THANK YOU FOR REMINDING US ABOUT THAT. UM, HONESTLY I HAD FORGOTTEN THAT, THAT THERE WAS THAT DISCUSSION, UM, CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW, AT THE FIRST, DURING THE FIRST REFERENDUM, BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION TO DAVID'S ANSWER, I MIGHT ASK, UH, MR. AWNING AND MS. CRUTCHFIELD IS THAT AND SEVERAL OF THE PREVIOUS 10 YEAR PLANS, THERE WAS IN THE NARRATIVE, IT WAS WRITTEN IN THERE THAT IF THEY BUILDING OR IF A SCHOOL WAS LESS THAN 50% CAPACITY AND I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT WORDING THAT IT SHOULD BE LOOKED AT OR IT SHOULD BE REVIEWED. SO, SO MY [00:10:01] QUESTION I'M TALKING, MY QUESTION TO YOU GUYS IS, UM, WHAT WAS YOUR HOPE FOR THE PRODUCT FROM THAT? WHAT, WHAT WERE YOU BY WRITING THAT IN THERE? WHAT WERE YOU GUYS THINKING? SO, UH, AND I'LL, YOU DON'T MIND I'LL SPEAK IN THAT, I GUESS IF MINE DOESN'T WORK OR, UM, ACTUALLY WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS LOOKING AT EVERYTHING AS EITHER A CLUSTER OR A LARGER AREA, BECAUSE JUST BECAUSE ONE SCHOOL IS THAT 50% DOESN'T MEAN THAT COULD BE SOLVED IN OTHER WAYS THAN OTHER SCHOOLS, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT, UH, FOR THE MO WE MADE THAT DIVISION BETWEEN NORTHERN DEIDRE COUNTY AND SOUTHERN BUFORD COUNTY AS THE BRIDGE. AND WE'VE SAID OVER AND OVER AGAIN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO CROSS. SO REALLY YOU'RE SEEING SCHOOLS IN NORTHERN BUFORD COUNTY AT 50% NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AS A HOLISTIC VIEW OF THE TIRE. YOU WANT TO READ YOUR COUNTY AND HOW, WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR THAT MARGIN, BECAUSE THERE MAY BE SOLUTIONS OUT THERE THAT INVOLVE MOVING THINGS AROUND. UM, AND YOU DON'T KNOW THAT TILL YOU LOOK AT IT AS A BIG PICTURE. SO AS PART OF OUR LUCK, UM, OR ANTICIPATING, DOES IT HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, ZONING ABOUT THE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? OR AM I MISSING SOMETHING? OH YEAH. I MEAN, ALL OF THAT, I MEAN, NEEDS TO BE AN ASSESSMENT OF FACILITIES NEEDS TO BE A COMMUNITY OUTREACH TO SEE WHAT THE COMMUNITY'S INPUT IS. I MEAN, ALL OF THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS. EXACTLY. AND I THINK THOSE NUMBERS, THOSE PERCENTAGES WERE BASED ON PREVIOUS FORGE DIRECTION. THIS IS HOW WE WANT TO STAY AHEAD OF THINGS. WE WANT TO START LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, IF SCHOOLS ARE GETTING CROWDED AND THERE'S A TRIGGER POINT AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AND THE SAME THING FOR DECLINING, IF THERE'S A TRIGGER POINT, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS AS A WHOLE. SO THAT'S WHY THAT IS REALLY IN THERE. AND THAT GOES WAY BACK TO THE PREVIOUS BUILDING PROGRAMS, 2008. SO I MEAN, IF I CAN JUST, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS SCHOOLS THAT A HUNDRED BETTER AT A HUNDRED, 10% ARE NOT EFFICIENT, LESS THAN 14.5. SO WE GOT TO FIND OUT HOW DO YOU SOLVE THAT FROM, RIGHT. I THINK YOUR SUGGESTIONS FROM LOOKING AT BUILDING COMPRESSED PROGRAM AND THEN TAKING A LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AS WELL, UM, PROJECTIONS AND WHAT THAT'S GOING TO MEAN GOING FORWARD. RIGHT. I COULD ALSO SEE THE VALUE AT SOME POINT AND HAVING OUR INSTRUCTIONAL SERVICES HERE AND, AND THEIR THOUGHTS ON WHAT THE BUILDING USAGE SHOULD BE. YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE VISIONS, UM, OF HOW SO, YOU KNOW, MR. MAL CAMPBELL HAS SAID SEVERAL TIMES, WHAT ARE THE SCHOOL BUILDINGS OF THE FUTURE LOOK LIKE? AND, AND A LOT OF THAT SHOULD BE DRIVEN BY THE INSTRUCTIONAL PRACTICES WHEN, ON THE BUILDINGS, NOT JUST THE RATIO OR HOW MANY KIDS CAN FIT IN A BUILDING. SO I WOULD THINK THAT HAVING AN IST AS PART OF A CONVERSATION AT SOME POINT WOULD BE IMPORTANT. UM, SO, UM, SHE'LL BE DOING, I MEAN, WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT WHEN YOU SAY LOOK AT YEAH. FROM, IN THE AREA? UM, AND ALSO, YES. UM, I THINK LIKE SAID IF WE MIGHT BE BEST SERVED BY TRYING TO LOOK AT ALL OF IT, UM, BECAUSE CITY OF BUFORD CROSSES OVER [00:15:01] INTO BOTH CLUSTERS, THE SATURDAY CREEK FAN AND B PLASTER, MAYBE EVEN A LITTLE BIT OF, WELL, YEAH. SO THOSE, THOSE LINES ARE ALL OVER COMPLAINTS. SO WE, WE MIGHT BEST BE SERVED BY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT PASSING, WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERYBODY, THAT'S SORT OF, AGAIN, ALL BECAUSE LIKE ROBERT SAID, THERE MAY BE SOLUTIONS THAT CAN INVOLVE SOME RESTRUCTURING. WE'RE GOING TO PLAN ON HAVING PROGRAM CAPACITY, A BIGGER PART OF OUR, IN YOUR PLAN, WHICH THAT COME OUT FOR THIS YEAR IN NOVEMBER. SO THAT'S A GOOD TIME FOR THAT CONVERSATION. IN THE MEANTIME, MAYBE THERE CAN BE SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH CIVIC CITY LEADERS ON LIKE THE BUFORD AREA. AND YOU SAID, THERE'S NO GROWTH IN WILLOW BRANCH, BUT I AM AWARE THERE'S CONVERSATIONS ABOUT SOME DEVELOPMENTS, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE OUT THERE, JJ DAVIS. UM, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THOSE DEVELOPMENTS ARE PROGRESSING AND WHAT THE OUTLOOK IS FOR THOSE. SO, AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHO WOULD BE THE RIGHT PERSON, MAYBE BUFORD COUNTY WOULD BE TALK ABOUT THAT. SO, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHAT, LIKE THOSE DEVELOPMENTS WERE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THAT KIDS CAN DO THAT. SO I THINK IF YOU ALL TAKE THE TIME TO GO THE SCHOOL VISITS, THAT'S GOING TO UNFORTUNATELY TAKE UP A LOT OF YOUR TIME STARTING OUT, BUT YOU'LL HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THAT SCHOOL RIGHT NOW, AS YOU START TO CONTINUE THOSE CONVERSATIONS, EVERYONE WENT TO EVERY ONE AND BOOK NOW, I GUESS THAT IS NORTHERN BEEF COUNTY, BIGGER FOR SIMPLE UP TO NOW, WE'LL TAKE SOME TIME AND WE SCHEDULED A DAY, HAD MULTIPLE SCHOOLS. SO WE JUST TRY TO DO AN AREA AT A TIME. AND THAT'S WHERE IT MAKES SENSE TO BE VERY FIRST LOOK AT THOSE SCHOOLS, RIGHT? YES. SO WHAT DO YOU THINK? UM, BUT I DO WANT TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE PRINCIPALS, TRY AND GET . UM, DEFINITELY AFTER LABOR DAY AND PERHAPS WE CAN SCHEDULE THESE MEETINGS TO WORK TOWARD LIKE THE END OF SEPTEMBER AND THEN HAVING, YOU KNOW, UM, NOT THAT WE WILL HAVE THEM ALL IN BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING. DO YOU ALL WANT TO HAVE A SCHEDULED DATE, UM, MONTHLY, THAT YOU ALL MEET THE DATE? THE TIME? UM, LIKE THE BLUFFTON RUBY'S, UH, FOURTH, THURSDAY, UM, I THINK, UM, EACH BLOCK, LIKE MOST OF OUR OTHER COMMITTEES HAVE A TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED DATE AND TIME. SO WHAT WORKS FOR YOU? ALL RIGHT. UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE A SET DATE. SO, UM, SO STARTING AFTER LABOR DAY, UM, AND ALSO TIME OF DAY, DO YOU ALL WANT THIS TIME OF DAY? DO YOU WANT AT THE END OF THE DAY? WHAT, SO ROBERT CAROL, DO YOU HAVE PREFERENCE? DO YOU PREFER MORNING OR AFTERNOON? I WOULD SAY AFTERNOONS USUALLY AFTERNOONS FOR ANYTIME AFTER ONE OR TWO, AS LONG AS THERE AREN'T ANOTHER COMMITTEE. IF YOU START THROWING A DATE, I CAN TELL YOU IF WE HAVE COMMITTEE THREE O'CLOCK LOOKS LIKE THE THIRD WEEK. SO THE THIRD WEEK OF THE MONTH WE'RE COMING OF, THERE'S NO COMMITTEES GENERALLY MEETING THAT WEEK. YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THAT AND I'M SURE IT WILL START RUNNING DOWN. SO IN SEPTEMBER, UM, DO YOU ALL WANT LIKE TUESDAY [00:20:01] THE 14TH OR WEDNESDAY? OKAY. SO YOU'RE TRYING TO BURN, I WAS LOOKING AT THE FULL WEEKS, SO NO, THAT'S FINE. NOT THE FOUR SEVEN, NO, 721, RIGHT. SO 7 21. SO IF WE GET THE FULL WEEK, IT WOULD BE STARTING THE 15TH ON TUESDAYS, CORRECT? WEDNESDAY OR THURSDAY, THE THIRD, THURSDAY, THIRD, THURSDAY. THAT WAS THURSDAY. NO, IT'S THE FOUR OF US. AND IN SEPTEMBER, THERE ARE FIVE JURORS, SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER 16TH. AND MAYBE IF WE PUT UP, WE SET, LIKE YOU SUGGESTED THAT WE, THE BUFORD CLUSTER SCHOOL VISITS. SO WE HAVE A STARTING YOU. SURE, ABSOLUTELY. NOW, IF YOU ALL COORDINATE WHERE WE DID THE COORDINATOR, CAROL IS SHE'LL SET UP, MAYBE CAROLINE'S READY OR YEAH. YEAH. WELL, EITHER ONE OF US. SO IF YOU WANT US JUST TO PROPOSE SOME DAYS AND TIMES AFTER WE, WHAT YOU DID LAST TIME, YOU DID PROPOSE BECAUSE YOU ALSO WORKED WITH THE PROJECT MANAGERS BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHO WAS DOING WORKS AT THE SCHOOL. SO YOU GAVE US SOME PROPOSED DATES. I SIT THERE AND PASS THEM OUT TO THEM. I MEAN, COME OUT AND TRY TO DO THREE OR FOUR IN MONDAY. HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU THINK? I MEAN, IT TOOK SEVERAL HOURS TO POTENTIALLY DO A SCHOOL. CAUSE MOST OF THE PRINCIPALS WANT TO SIT DOWN AND TALK WITH YOU AS WELL. YOU KNOW, WE'D LOOK AT DATA WHILE WE'RE THERE. UM, SO YEAH, I TALK BACK, SO I'M LIKE, OKAY. YEAH. WE'LL PUT TOGETHER A SCHEDULE SCHEDULING. YEAH. YEAH. EXCELLENT. AND THEN, UM, DID YOU ALL ARRANGE FOR THE COUNTY CITY LEADERS TO HAVE A CONVERSATION OR WAS THAT THROUGH THE CHAIR? THE CHAIR. OKAY. YEAH. WANT TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER YOU START DOING THE SCHOOL VISITS FIRST AND THEN, YOU KNOW WHAT, MAYBE JUST SO THAT WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE MORE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH THEM STAR CENTERS. SO MAYBE OCTOBER MEETING KIND OF LIKE, NOT REALLY HAPPY TO HAVE SOME PLAN ON LIKE HOW TO USE THEIR TIME. ANYTHING ELSE LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER INTERESTING YEAR. WHEN'S THE 45TH DAY, AUGUST 16 OR IT'S GOING TO BE OCTOBER. YEAH. EVEN JUST GENERAL. JUST GENERALIZED 20TH. OKAY. I THINK Y'ALL ARE OFF TO A PRETTY GOOD START ACTUALLY. UM, UM, I'M TRYING, I REALIZED NOW THAT COMPARING THIS COMMITTEE TO THE BLUFFTON COMMITTEE IS, IS NONSENSE. I SHOULD STOP DOING THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL HAVE A DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT AIR, YOU MUST LARGER AREA TO COVER. UM, AND I THINK ANCHORING ON THAT, THE THING [00:25:01] THAT INGRID BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE LAST REFERENDUM, THAT'S A GOOD ANCHOR AND A GOOD JUSTIFICATION FOR THIS COMMITTEE. UM, SO I THINK Y'ALL Y'ALL ARE OFF TO A REAL GOOD START. UM, NO, I, I, UH, WOULD AGREE WITH DAVID'S COMMENTS, YOUR, YOUR CO YOUR DISCUSSION WAS REALLY GOOD AND I AGREE. IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE GOING DOWN THE RIGHT PATH. I'M JUST LISTENING AND LEARNING. SORRY. I'M HAVING TROUBLE WITH MY HANDS, PERHAPS. I CAN JUST WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE SCOPE TEACHER TOPICS SEPTEMBER 16TH AT THREE O'CLOCK THREE O'CLOCK. YES, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BYE. YOU GUYS. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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