[IX. 1. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by Rachel Ashley Beard, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness to allow the construction of a new 2-story single-family building of approximately 2,369 SF and a Carriage House of approximately 624 SF located at 16 Robertson Street in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood General-HD. (COFA-04-21-015184) (Staff- Katie Peterson)]

ALL RIGHT. I WILL TALK LOUDER I PROMISE I CAN BE LOUD TONIGHT.

THE FIRST APPLICATION THAT WE HAVE BEFORE IS FOR 16 ROBERTS AND THREE YOU ARE THE APPLICANT

FOR 16. >> PERFECT. SO WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT

HERE TONIGHT. >> MS. BEARD AND MR. BEARD.

PERFECT. >> PERFECT. >> SO WE HAVE WE HAVE THREE PEOPLE HERE ON BEHALF OF 16 ROBERTS IN ST.. DO WE WANT THEM TO THE TABLE OR

NOT? >> WE CAN HAVE THEM. >> DO YOU WANT TO SWITCH PLACES

OR YOU WANT TO? YOU CAN COME TAKE MY SPOT. >> THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

>> IF YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD PLEASE THAT WAY IF THERE ARE ANY COMMENTS BECAUSE YOU ARE GONNA BE WELCOME TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT. WHEN YOU HAVE THE MICROPHONE AND SPEAK DOESN'T PICK UP VERY WELL IN THIS ROOM EVEN THOUGH IT SOUNDS LIKE WE CAN HEAR YOU

IT'S NOT VERY, VERY HARD. >> SO WE WILL GET OUT THERE. >> THANK YOU.

YOU ALL KIND OF CAN SHUFFLE BETWEEN THE TWO. OK.

ONE IS FREE. THAT WORKS. SO THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY A

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BUILDING OF APPROXIMATELY TWO THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED SIXTY NINE SQUARE FEET AND A CARRIAGE HOUSE OF APPROXIMATELY SIX HUNDRED TWENTY FOUR SQUARE FEET TO BE LOCATED AT SIXTEEN ROBERTSON WHICH IS IN THE OLD TOWN BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IT IS ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL H D M SO YOU CAN SEE THE LOCATION MAP HERE. THIS IS WHARF STREET AND BRIDGE STREET SO OYSTER FACTORY PARK IS AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN RIGHT ON THIS GRAY LINE . AND THEN THIS IS THE SMALL TURN OFF ONTO ROBERTSON STREET FROM WHARF AND IT GOES UP AND TIES INTO MAY RIVER ROAD JUST ABOVE THE BLUE LINE ON THE SCREEN HERE. SO IT IS THIS PARCEL RIGHT HERE IN C ON THE ZONING MAP.

>> IT IS THAT BRIGHT ORANGE WHICH IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL AND IT'S SURROUNDED ON

ALL FOUR SIDES BY THE SAME THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. >> I TOOK THIS I'VE MADE THE EXISTING CONDITION BY PUTTING THE SIGN IN THE GROUND THERE. BUT THIS IS THE PARCEL THAT WE'RE SPEAKING OF TONIGHT. SO THERE ARE NOT VERY MANY TREES ON THIS SITE BUT IT IS A VACANT PARCEL AND THEN THIS IS THE GOOGLE EARTH VIEW OF IT. IT'S A LITTLE BIT OLDER PHOTO BUT YOU COULD SEE THAT THE HOUSE NEXT TO IT A LITTLE BIT CLOSER HERE.

SO THE PARCEL WE'RE LOOKING AT IS APPROXIMATELY THIS IS A TERRIBLE ANGLE BUT HERE IT RUNS RIGHT ALONG THE DRIVEWAY LINE TO HALFWAY THROUGH BETWEEN THIS HOUSE AND THE DRIVEWAY.

>> THIS IS THE SURVEY WHICH WAS PROVIDED AS PART OF THE APPLICATION.

WHOOPS. AND I ZOOMED IN FOR YOU. I JUST SAW THAT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT BIGGER BECAUSE THE SCREEN IS NOT THE SAME SHAPE AS THE PAGE AND THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN WHICH I HAVE ROTATED AND ZOOM IN SO THAT YOU CAN SEE IT A LITTLE BIT CLOSER AS YOU TURN FROM WHARF STREET ONTO ROBERTSON. THIS IS THE ORIENTATION THAT THE PARCEL WOULD BE IN. SO YOU WOULD HAVE THE EDGE OF ROBERTSON OVER HERE AND THIS

IS THE BACK OF THE LOT. >> THIS IS THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN FOR THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.

SO AGAIN YOU HAVE ROBERTSON ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN.

THE CARRIAGE HOUSE WOULD BE TOWARDS THE BACK CORNER HERE. AND THEN I HAVE CHOPPED AND PASTE IS AS I USUALLY DO ALL OF THE PLANS TOGETHER TO MAKE IT SO THAT IT AS VISIBLE AS POSSIBLE ON THE SCREENS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT BE THE FIRST FLOOR AREA AS WELL AS THAT SECOND

FLOOR AREA AND THEN THIS IS THE SECOND FLOOR PLANS. >> YOU CAN SEE THIS IS GOT THE PORCH THAT RUNS THE FULL LENGTH HERE AND THE BEDROOM BASICALLY IS MOST OF WHAT'S UPSTAIRS BEDROOMS AND BATHROOMS. AND THEN THE ROOF PLAN SO YOU CAN SEE THE PORCH ROOF OVER HERE WITH THE PRIMARY CABLE RUNNING ALONG THE PARCEL, THE GARAGE FIRST FLOOR PLAN.

IT IS A FUNCTIONAL GARAGE. SO IT DOES HAVE SPACE FOR A VEHICLE AND THEN IT HAS A GUEST SUITE AND BATHROOM ON THE SECOND FLOOR. SO IT'S OCCUPIED SPACE ON THE SECOND FLOOR HERE WITH THE ROOF PLANNED TO THE RIGHT. IF I AM GOING TOO FAST OR YOU NEED TO SEE SOMETHING FOR A LONGER, I WILL FLIP BACK TOWARDS THEM AS I GO THROUGH THE COMMENTS. BUT I LIKE TO TO MAKE SURE THAT I SPEED THROUGH THEM.

IT'S KIND OF CRUEL TO HAVE THROWN JOSH RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THINGS AND GO THIS SPEED BUT WE CAN GO BACK TO ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO SEE HERE. THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION SO THIS IS THE SIDE THAT WOULD BE FACING ROBERTSON IF YOU'RE STANDING ON THE STREET.

THIS IS WHAT YOU WILL SEE AND SEE. IT'S GOT THE SIDE PORCH.

THERE'S A CHIMNEY ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE. YOU'VE GOT WINDOWS ON THE FRONT ELEVATION HERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE. THIS IS IF YOU WERE STANDING IN THE DRIVEWAY OR THE YELLOW HOUSE THAT WAS VISIBLE JUST ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN.

THIS IS THE ELEVATION THAT FACES THAT. SO YOU HAVE THE SIDE PORCH AS WELL AS THE WINDOWS HERE ON THE BACK. THE CARRIAGE HOUSE WOULD BE ON THIS SIDE OF THE PARCEL HERE AT THE REAR JUST OFF THE SCREEN. THIS IS THE RIGHT ELEVATION.

SO THE FRONT OF THE STRUCTURE WOULD BE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.

THIS TIME WITH YOUR CHIMNEY THERE'S A SMALL BUMP OUT UP HERE TO SPACE FOR I BELIEVE IT'S A BATHROOM BEHIND THAT AND THEN THE SIDE STOOP ALONG WITH THE REST OF THE STATION.

THERE IS THE CARRIAGE HOUSE THAT WOULD BE BACK HERE IN THIS IN THIS IMAGE BUT FURTHER FROM

THIS SIDE THAN THE OTHER SIDE. >> AND THEN THIS IS THE REAR ELEVATION.

SO IF YOU'RE STANDING ALL THE WAY AT THE BACK OF THE LOT LOOKING FORWARD, THE YELLOW HOUSE WOULD BE ON THE SIDE HERE. THE VACANT PARCEL ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE NEXT TO THE CHIMNEY AND THE CARRIAGE HOUSE WOULD BE IN THE SPACE APPROXIMATELY HERE PARTIALLY OBSCURING YOUR VIEW OF THIS BACK STOOP AND ON THE PORCH HERE.

SO WOULD BE HERE. >> THIS IS THE. >> THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS FOR THE CARRIAGE HOUSE. SO AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT LINES UP WITH THE STOOP ON THE REAR.

THE GARAGE DOOR WOULD BE FACING TOWARDS THE STREET. THE EAST ELEVATION WOULD BE THE SIDE THAT IS FACING THE EXISTING YELLOW HOUSE. THE WEST ELEVATION IS THE SIDE

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THAT IS FACING THE EMPTY PARASOL AND THEN THE NORTH ELEVATION IS THE SIDE THAT

FACES THE REAR OF THIS LOT. >> I'VE INCLUDED FOR YOU THE GARAGE SECTIONS AS WELL AS SOME SECTIONS THROUGH THE HOUSE THAT WE NEED THOSE FOR REFERENCE AS WELL AS WALL SECTIONS WHICH I BELIEVE THESE ARE MOSTLY THERE'S A WALL SECTION AND A PORCH SECTION MORE WALL

SECTION. >> IF I CAN GO. SORRY TO BEST.

AND THEN HERE SOME RENDERINGS SO THAT YOU HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF HOW THIS WILL LOOK NOT ON HERE TO REPRINT BUT 3D. SO THIS IS STANDING ON ROBERTSON NEAR THE CORNER LOOKING TOWARDS WHARF STREET AND INTO THE LOT. SO WALL STREET IS OVER HERE.

>> THIS IS STANDING CLOSER TO WALL STREET. LOOKING INTO THAT YELLOW HOUSE

WOULD BE RIGHT HERE. >> THIS IS THE LEFT REAR. SO THIS WOULD BE STANDING ON THE VACANT PARCEL LOOKING TOWARDS ROBERTS IT OR. YES, I'M SORRY TOWARDS ROBERTSON AND WORTH KIND OF IN THE BACK OF THE YELLOW HOUSE IS NOW OVER HERE.

>> AND THEN THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. SEE YOU AGAIN.

SO YOU'VE GOT YOUR ORIENTATION. THE DRIVEWAY RUNS ALONG THE BOTTOM OF THIS WITH ROBERTS IN AT THE LEFT. YOUR VACANT PARCELS TO THE TOP WITH THE YELLOW HOUSE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE AND THE CARRIAGE HOUSE IS HERE PARTIALLY OBSCURED BY THE HOUSE SO THAT YOU WOULD NEVER SEE THE FULL FRONT ELEVATION OF IT WHICH IS FAIRLY STANDARD MAKE IT EASIER TO READ. AND FOR JESSE'S VIEWING PLEASURE I HAVE ZOOMED IN ON YOUR LANDSCAPE PLANNED FOR YOU AS WELL AS THE PLANTING SCHEDULE WAS THAT RIGHT?

>> ADDITIONAL TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN ARE THE THE ELEVATIONS AND SITE PLANS AND LANDSCAPE PLAN.

>> SO AS THE HPC CONSIDERS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION YOU ARE TO CONSIDER THE EIGHT REVIEW CRITERIA THAT ARE SET FORTH IN SECTION 318 THREE OF OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE YOU HAVE THE AUTHORIZATION TO APPROVE APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATIONS IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT. IN ADDITION TO THAT THERE IS THE OPTION TO TABLE THE APPLICATION IF IT IS REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT SO FURTHER INFORMATION CAN BE PRODUCED. TOWN STAFF HAS FOUND THAT THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF ITEMS THAT IF MET COULD MEAN THIS APPLICATION IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE STANDARDS IN SECTION 318 3.

HOWEVER, THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF ITEMS THAT ARE GOING TO ALTER THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING POSSIBLY OR AT LEAST THE DESIGN ENOUGH TO HAVE STAFF REQUEST THAT THIS APPLICATION DOES COME BACK BEFORE THE HPC. ONCE THEY'VE ADDRESSED THEM IN ORDER TO HAVE A DETERMINATION BE MADE ON THOSE ITEMS. SO IF IT IS OKAY WITH THE CHAIRMAN I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THESE ITEMS THEN WE HAVE THE APPLICANT WHO CAN SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THIS.

AND ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE. WE ARE BOTH HERE TO SPEAK ON THE APPLICATION COULD BE GOOD IF WE JUST WENT THROUGH ALL THE ITEMS.

>> AND THEN POSSIBLY BACK UP A LITTLE BIT AFTER THAT BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S QUITE A FEW THAT WE WOULD GET A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROJECT AND YES, THERE ARE THINGS THAT

HAVE BEEN POINTED OUT. >> SO IF WE COULD DO THAT CLEARLY THAT WOULD BE ALL

RIGHT. THAT IS JUST FINE. >> SO THE FIRST THE FIRST ITEM IS THAT THE MASSIVE THE STRUCTURE AS IT'S CURRENTLY CONFIGURED DOES NOT ALLOW FOR THE OTHER SIDE REQUIREMENTS TO BE MET. THE MASS OF THE STRUCTURE WOULD NEED TO BE REDUCED OR THE SITE RECONFIGURED IN ORDER TO ALLOW FOR THOSE SITE ELEMENTS TO MEET THESE SETBACKS FOR THE BUILDING SO THAT CAN BE SEEN AND I'M GOING TO ESCAPE BECAUSE I FOUND

IT EASIER HERE. >> THE WAY THAT OUR ORDINANCE OUR UNIFIED DEPARTMENT ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN IS THAT IT'S A FORM BASED CODE . THIS ALLOWS FOR BUILDINGS TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON SITES WITH WITHIN THE SPACE THAT IS LEFT ONCE THE SITE REQUIREMENTS ARE MET. THAT INCLUDES PARKING ST TREES CANOPY COVERAGE AND THEN WHAT IS LEFT OF THAT SITE. AS LONG AS YOU CAN GET DRAINAGE TO WORK AND THINGS LIKE THAT

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CAN BE BUILT ON. SO A NON FORM BASED CODE WOULD DO SOMETHING LIKE A FLOOR AREA RATIO WHICH WOULD SAY IF YOUR LIGHT IS THE SIZE THEN THE SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF SQUARE FEET CAN FIT WITH A FOREIGN BASED CODE . THE FORUM IS BASED ON WHAT IS LEFT OVER FROM IT SUBTRACTED RATHER THAN ADDITIVE. I GUESS IS THE BEST WAY TO PHRASE THAT. THE AREAS THAT ARE OF CONCERN ARE THE STAIR HERE WHICH EXTENDS PAST THE SETBACK WHICH IS IS ALLOWABLE. HOWEVER IT CAN BE NO CLOSER THAN THREE FEET TO THE PROPERTY LINE. IN THIS CASE IT IS ABOUT ONE POINT TWO FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. HOWEVER IT ONLY HAS TWO STEPS AND WITH A THREE FOOT FINISHED FLOOR HEIGHT. WHILE IT MAY CHANGE A LITTLE BIT AS IT GOES TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE LOT, TWO STEPS IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT SO IT'LL NEED TO BE EDITED JUST A LITTLE BIT THERE AND THEN.

>> ODOR EXPERT WHAT WAS THE TYPICAL 30 INCH HEIGHTS? >> WHAT WOULD THE 32 INCH?

WHAT WOULD BE TYPICAL STAIR CODE HERE? >> WELL, IT'S GENERALLY FOR AN

OUTSIDE STAIR SOMEWHERE BETWEEN . >> WELL IT'S GONNA BE 10 INCHES FOR YOUR RUN SO AT A MINIMUM YOU'VE PROBABLY GOT PUT ME ON THE SPOT.

I HAVE TO DO MATH BUT FOUR OR FIVE FOUR OR FIVE STAIRS OUT. BUT WHAT'S MISSING HERE IS THE LANDING BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PUT YOU CAN'T STEP DOWN RIGHT FROM THE DOOR.

YOU HAVE A LANDING AND THEN THE STAIRS. SO I TOTALLY SEE WHAT OKATIE IS TALKING ABOUT. TURN IT SIDEWAYS AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO.

BUT IT DOESN'T. BUT THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT'S SHOWN.

>> TURN IT SIDEWAYS FROM THE STAIRS. SO STAIRS ARE THE DIRECTION.

>> YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVE ROOM FOR A LANDING AND THEN THEY HAVE CORRECT? THAT IS A POSSIBILITY. YEAH. STEP TOWARDS THE BACK THIS

DIRECTION. >> PERHAPS THAT COULD THIS ONE WILL ALSO NEED A LANDING BEFORE IT GOES INTO THE RIGHT HEIGHT ON A STANDARD STAIR IS NO GREATER THAN SEVEN AND THREE QUARTERS INCH SO SEVEN THREE QUARTERS DIVIDED BY THIRTY SIX. I CAN'T DO THE MATH BUT MATH.

>> THE SECOND ITEM I HAVE HERE IS THAT A LARGE CANOPY STREET TREE WOULD NEED TO BE PLACED ON THE SITE WHERE IT WOULD BE RETAINED. SHOULD THE 10 FOOT SHARED ACCESS BE UTILIZED IN THE FUTURE OF THE LANDSCAPE PLAN HERE? SO CURRENTLY THEY DO HAVE A LIVE OAK THAT IS PROPOSED AT THE CORNER HERE WHICH WOULD COUNT AS A STREET TREE. HOWEVER, BECAUSE THIS RIGHT HERE IS A SHARED ACCESS YOU CAN SEE THE 10 FOOT SHARED ACCESS IS 5 FEET ON EITHER SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY LINE.

IF THIS ACCESS WERE TO BE UTILIZED THE STREET TREE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE REMOVED.

SO WE WOULD JUST NEED TO MOVE INSIDE OF THAT SET BACK LINE IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO BE UTILIZED

HERE. >> THIS THIRD THE THIRD ITEM IS THAT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN ALL

OF THE CANOPY COVERAGE THAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS WITHIN. >> WITH THE EXCEPTION I APOLOGIZE OF THE PALMETTO HERE THE SABLE PALM AT THE FRONT OF THE LOT IS LOCATED WITHIN

THIS. >> SO AGAIN, IF THIS IF THIS ACCESS WERE TO BE UTILIZED IN THE FUTURE, THE CANOPY FOR THE 75 PERCENT CANOPY COVERAGE THAT'S REQUIRED FOR LOTS WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE ONLY PART THAT WOULD BE RETAINED WOULD BE THIS.

THIS SECTION HERE THE FOURTH ITEM IS THAT A DETERMINATION ON THE BUILDING TYPE MUST BE MADE.

SO THE BUILDING TYPE PROPOSED IN THIS APPLICATION IS A SIDE YARD HOUSE, A SIDE HOUSE IS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO LOOK AT IT IS HERE.

>> THESE RENDERINGS ARE VERY HELPFUL. >> SO A SIDE YARD HOUSE IS A

SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE. >> DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE BETWEEN TWELVE HUNDRED AND TWENTY EIGHT HUNDRED SQUARE FEET WITH A MAXIMUM FOOTPRINT OF TWELVE HUNDRED SQUARE FEET. THEY ARE TWO TO TWO AND A HALF STOREYS IN HEIGHT POSITION WITH THE NARROW SIDE FACING THE STREET AND THEY HAVE A FULL LENGTH SIDE PORCH.

THEY TEND TO BE POSITIONED WITH THE NON PORCH SIDE CLOSE TO THE ADJACENT SIDE PROPERTY LINE CREATING A SIDE YARD ONTO WHICH THE PORCH FACES. THEY ARE TYPICALLY TWENTY FOUR TO THIRTY FIVE FEET WIDE INCLUDING THE SIDE PORCH. THIS STRUCTURE DOES MEET THE HEIGHT SQUARE FOOTAGE AND POSITIONING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SIDE YARD HOUSE.

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THE ITEM THAT IS OF QUESTION IS THE DEPTH OF THE PORCH HERE. SO IT IS REQUIRED TO HAVE A FULL LENGTH SIDE PORCH BY THE CHARACTERISTIC DEFINITION OF THE SIDE YARD HOUSE.

THIS STRUCTURE HAS THE SIDE PORCH. IT RUNS APPROXIMATELY 40 PERCENT OF THE FIRST FLOOR WITH THESE TWO INFIELD PANELS HERE AND THEN THE THE PORTION BEHIND THE PORCH WHICH IS PART OF THE MAIN MASS OF THE STRUCTURE AND ON THE SECOND FLOOR IT RUNS APPROXIMATELY 60 PERCENT OF THE FULL LENGTH OF THE HOUSE WHERE IT INCLUDES THOSE TWO OPEN BAYS UP THERE SO THAT THE TOP FLOOR HAS THE FULLY OPENED PORCH THAT RUNS APPROXIMATELY TWO THIRDS OF THE BUILDING. WITH JUST UNDER HALF OF THE BUILDING ON THE FIRST FLOOR INCLUDED IN THAT SIDE PORCH THAT I HAVE SOME CLARIFICATION IN MY MIND.

>> SO THE. BECAUSE IT'S ENCLOSED ON THE BOTTOM LIKE THAT IT PUTS THIS HOUSE INTO A DIFFERENT DEPENDS ON YOUR INTERPRETATION OF IT BECAUSE THE WAY THEY DETAILED IT, THEY MADE IT LOOK AS IF IT WERE AN EXISTING CHARLESTON HOUSE THAT STARTED HOUSE THAT

HAD. >> THAT WAS IN FELT IT WAS DONE AND YOU CAN FIND EXAMPLES OF THIS ALL OVER THE PLACE WHERE THEY NEEDED SOME EXTRA ROOM.

THEY TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THAT PORCH SPACE TO DO IT AND AND IT READS AS A LONGER PORCH READS AS THE 60 PERCENT LENGTH THE THRESHOLD THAT IT MUST MEET THE UNIFIED INVOLVEMENT ORDINANCE

NOTES THAT IT NEEDS TO HAVE A FULL LENGTH SIDE PORCH. >> IT DOESN'T GIVE A SPECIFIC DEPTH OF WHAT THAT IS. THAT GO ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK.

TECHNICALLY A FULL FACADE PORCH WOULD FOR IF YOU WERE TO DO A RESOURCE SURVEY OF SOME KIND A FULL FACADE. PORCH WOULD RUN FROM ONE CORNER TO THE OTHER CORNER.

THAT BEING SAID THERE ARE THERE ARE EXAMPLES WHERE THERE IS A FULL LENGTH PORCH THAT THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE ENTIRETY OF THE STRUCTURE. SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU CAN SEE AT THE FRONT HERE WHERE THERE IS A STEP BACK WHERE THAT PORCH START STARTS SO WOULDN'T START FORWARD OF THE PRIMARY. THE PRINCIPAL FACADE OF THE BUILDING BUT IT WOULD RUN STILL

THE MOST OF IT. >> THE QUESTION HERE IS WHETHER OR NOT THIS WOULD CONSTITUTE IN YOUR OPINION AS A SIDE YARD HOUSE THAT IT MEETS THOSE CHARACTERISTICS THAT ARE IN THAT THAT ORDINANCE OR AT LEAST THE INTENT BEHIND THE CHARACTERISTICS THAT DEFINE THIS STRUCTURE. WHAT SIZE OR COMMISSION HAVE TO DETERMINE WHAT SO REPUTATION FROM COMMISSIONERS FOR STARTERS REQUESTING THAT THE HP C MAKE A DETERMINATION ON WHETHER OR NOT THIS DESIGN MEETS THE INTENT OF THE SIDE YARD HOUSE BUILDING TYPE WHICH IS FOUND IN SECTION

3 15 8. >> J IN MY STAFF REPORT IT IS PAGE 8 AT THE BOTTOM WHERE IT LAYS THAT LANGUAGE OUT THERE. SO THE BUILDING TYPE DEFINES THE SIDE YARD HOUSE AS A DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WHICH IT IS BETWEEN TWELVE HUNDRED AND TWENTY EIGHT HUNDRED SQUARE FEET WHICH IS A MAXIMUM FOOTPRINT OF TWELVE HUNDRED SQUARE FEET WHICH IT HAS OR IT IS UNDER TWELVE HUNDRED SQUARE FEET. THEY ARE TWO TO TWO AND A HALF STOREYS IN HEIGHT. THIS STRUCTURE IS TWO STORIES IN HEIGHT ITS POSITION WITH A NARROW SIDE FACING THE STREET AND HAS AND HAS A FULL LENGTH SIDE PORCH SO IT IS POSITIONED WITH A NARROW SIDE FACING THE STREET. IT'S NOT SITTING WITH A STREET IN FRONT OF THIS ELEVATION HERE AND IT IS POSITIONED CLOSER TO THE NON PORCH SIDE.

SO ON THE SITE PLAN YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT IT IS POSITIONED CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINE

WHERE THERE IS NO PORCH. >> SO THE FURTHER DISTANCE IS TO THIS ONE HERE AND THEN THE AREA WHERE THERE IS QUESTION IS THE INTERPRETATION OF WHETHER OR NOT THIS DESIGN MEETS THE

INTENT OF A FULL LENGTH SIDE PORCH BACKING UP. >> DID I MISS SOMETHING BUT YOU NUMBER TWO THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE BUT THE LANDSCAPED THE PERCENTAGE OF CANOPY COVERAGE

OVER THAT AND FOR EVERYONE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE. >> YEAH, I UNDERSTOOD.

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>> DON'T GO WAY OFF TOPIC BUT I FEEL LIKE OUR SUBMIT ALL PACKET YOU HAD A SPECIFIC COMMENT LIKE THE ONE THAT WAS ONLINE WHERE YOU WERE NOTING THAT SOME OF THESE CANOPY COVERAGE IS LARGER THAN THE TREES OR YEAH AND I DID AGREE WITH THOSE COMMENTS YOU AGREE WITH THE FACT THAT THE IRS STATED IN THE DRAWINGS OR ARE STATED BY SOME OF THEM AS STATED BY OKATIE BUT I JUST WASN'T SEEING THIS IN THIS PACKET BUT IT IT ISN'T IN THE BODY OF IT FOR SURE AND

DOUBLE CHECK ON ME AND THE LANDSCAPE. >> A DRAWING IN HERE AND I MEAN

ULTIMATELY WHAT IT READS. >> YEAH I MEAN ULTIMATELY I THINK IT GETS BACK ALMOST TO NUMBER ONE WHICH WE CAN DISCUSS AFTER ALL THESE COMMENTS WHICH IS THAT THERE'S REALLY NOT ENOUGH SPACE LEFT OVER ON THIS LOT AFTER THE FOOTPRINTS ARE PLACED TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT OF CANOPY COVERAGE. I FELT THAT WE WERE KIND OF YEAH SOME OF THE I THINK I

DON'T KNOW RIGHT OFF THE CUFF. >> I MEAN I DO AGREE WAS BASICALLY LIKE THE LITTLE GEM MAGNOLIA ON THE RIGHT SIDE AS SHOWN WITH A REALLY LARGE CANOPY.

KATIE, CAN YOU SHOW THE LANDSCAPE PLAN YOU HAVE? I CAN'T REMEMBER SEEING IT

SOMEWHERE DOWN THE SIDE THERE. >> ALL RIGHT. >> SO PAGE 9 OF THE STAFF REPORT. THE LANDSCAPE PLANNING INCLUDES THE INSTALLATION OF FOUR TREES TO CREATE THE CANNOT BE COVERAGE OF THE SPREAD OF THE SABLE PALM IS SHOWN TO BE JUST OVER 30 FEET IN DIAMETER. A TYPICAL SIZE FOR A SABLE PALM IS GOING TO BE CLOSER TO 15 TO 25 AND THAT'S IT. IT IS TYPICALLY CLOSER TO THE 15 THAN TWENTY FIVE OF THAT.

>> THERE IS A LITTLE MAGNOLIA WHICH IS SHOWN AS A 38 FOOT DIAMETER.

THE TYPICAL SIZE FOR A LITTLE GEM MAGNOLIA WHICH IS THE SMALLEST OF ANY COMMERCIAL INSTALLATION INSTALLED. MAGNOLIA TREE IS GOING TO ONLY BE ABOUT 10 FEET IN DIAMETER AND THAT'S AFTER 20 YEARS OF GROWTH WHICH IS ITS FULL SIZED TREE.

IT DOESN'T GET MUCH LARGER THAN THAT WITH A LITTLE GEM. THERE'S THE SHADOWS FEMALE YOU UP ON HOLLY WHICH IS SHOWN AT A 40 FOOT DIAMETER AND THAT IS TYPICALLY LESS THAN 20.

>> SO THE ALPINE IS NEVER SAY THAT WORD RIGHT. FOR THE RECORD.

BUT YOUR SPINE IS SHOWN BACK HERE. THIS IS THE REVERSE.

I'M SORRY. >> THIS IS THE MAGNOLIA THE ALPINE, THE LIVE OAK WHICH THE LIVE OAK IS SHOWN IT ABOUT A 60 FOOT WHICH IS IS 60 FEET WHICH IS CORRECT.

AND THEN THE SABLE POM IS HERE. SO THE DIAMETER ACROSS THE PROPOSED CANOPY COVERAGE IS IS

LARGER THAN WHAT IS THE LANDSCAPE. >> YEAH I WAS JUST SAYING SORRY. THANKS FOR POINTING THAT OUT. I WAS JUST SAYING I DO AGREE WITH STAFF'S COMMENTS. IT DOES. IT'S TOUGH SOMETIMES TO SAY WHAT A TRUE CANOPY COVERAGE IS BUT I DO COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THOSE COMMENTS.

>> I THINK THESE ARE A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN THEY WOULD BE IS ALL.

THANK YOU. >> HARD MISSED MISS THE RHYTHM OF IT.

>> THAT'S OK. I IT'S IT IS IN THE BULK OF THE STAFF REPORT.

MY PHRASING ON THE FINAL PAGE IS NOT AS NEAT AS IT COULD HAVE BEEN.

SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. SO THE ITEM ITEM 3 ON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS IS THAT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN BE REVISED TO SHOW UPDATED CANOPY CALCULATIONS AND PLACEMENT WHERE THE USE OF THE 10 FOOT SHARED ACCESS WOULD NOT IMPACT THE SITE'S CANOPY COVERAGE.

SO INCLUDED IN THAT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY OF OF USING A DIFFERENT SPECIES OF TREE THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO MEET SOME OF THESE. SO AGAIN THERE ARE MANY, MANY VARIETIES OF TREES THAT COULD BE USED BUT PERHAPS A LIVE OAK WHICH DOES HAVE THAT THAT LARGE CANOPY TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY MAY TAKE UP SOME OF THE CANOPY THAT THAT'S LOST BY REDUCING THE SIZE OF THE CANOPIES THAT SHOWN ON THIS PLAN THAT ARE ARE CLOSEST TO THAT ARE THE SMALLER SPREAD TREES THAN IN TYPICAL NUMBER FOUR.

>> FURTHER, UNLESS YOUR RHYTHM OF THIRTY FOUR IS THE BUILDING TYPE DETERMINATION WHICH IS WHICH IS THE DISCUSSION ON THE POINT YOU ARE VERY GOOD. WE'RE DISCUSSING SO I CAN MOVE PAST THAT FOR A MOMENT IF YOU'D LIKE AND WE CAN COME BACK TO IT OR YOU CAN CONTINUE DISCUSSION

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AS YOU WERE. >> ONCE YOU KEEP READING THE COMMENTS.

ALL RIGHT. YEAH. GOOD.

I KNOW THAT WE'RE KIND OF THE FIFTH ITEM IN THAT IF THE HPC DETERMINES THAT THE BUILDING TYPE DOES NOT MEET THE CHARACTERISTICS OF A SIDE YARD HOUSE.

>> IT WOULD NEED TO BE REVIEWED AS AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE WHICH HAS A SIDE YARD SETBACK OF NO LESS THAN 10 FEET. SO THE THE DECISION OF 4 DOES IMPACT ITEM 5 IF IT IS DETERMINED THAT IT DOES MEET THE INTENT OF THE CIDER HOUSE. AND THIS ITEM IS IS NO LONGER APPLICABLE. ITEM 6 IS THAT THE STAIRS ON THE SIDE MUST BE REVISED TO BE NO CLOSER THAN 3 FEET TO THE PROPERTY LINE AND 5 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO BE OUTSIDE OF THAT 10 FOOT SHARED ACCESS. NUMBER 7 RELATES TO THAT AS WELL.

INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE SECTION 311 3 NOTES THAT EXTERIOR DOORS MUST HAVE LANDINGS IN THE DIRECTION OF TRAVEL THAT ARE NO LESS THAN THE WIDTH OF THE DOOR.

SO IN THIS CASE 3 FEET AND IT WOULD NEED TO BE ADDED TO THAT IN ORDER TO MEET THE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR ACCESS. AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A BUILDING CODE THING. BUT BECAUSE IN THIS CASE THE BUILDING CODE COMMENT WILL IMPACT HOW THE SITE IS LAID OUT WITH THE THE SPACING OF THE SITE.

IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED THIS TIME. >> NUMBER EIGHT IS THAT THE APPLICATION IS A TOWN OF BLUFFTON. ENCROACHMENT PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR WORK BEYOND THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE, SPECIFICALLY THE SIDEWALK.

THERE IS ON THE SITE PLAN SHOWN A SET OF STAIRS HERE. >> ON THE FRONT ELEVATION YOU

CAN SEE THE PROFILE OF IT. >> THESE BEARS HERE AT THE FRONT THAT STEP DOWN THEIR LANDSCAPE STAIRS BIG LONG PRETTY STAIRS. HOWEVER THEY ENCROACH PAST THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE SO THEY ARE SHOWN HERE AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT STEP DOWN GOES BEYOND

THAT. >> THE STAIRS WHICH ARE A PORTION OF THE UNINHABITABLE APARTMENTS THAT ARE ATTACHED TO THE STRUCTURE CAN BE NO CLOSER THAN THREE FEET TO THE PROPERTY LINE. HOWEVER, IF A SIDEWALK IS PROPOSED TO GO BEYOND THAT FRONT PROPERTY LINE WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO SEE SOME ENCROACHMENT PERMIT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THE WORK THAT EXTENDS PAST THAT THE PERIMETER OF THEIR PROPERTY LINE.

>> BUT ON THE STREET THURSDAY ON HELPS MEET UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE BUT NOT THE ROAD

OR THE SITE OF ALL THE STEPS. >> GO TO THE EDGE OF PAVEMENT OF THE ROAD WHICH EXTENDS PAST

THE PROPERTY WHICH IS HERE. >> IF THEY WERE TO PUT A SIDE OF THE TOWN ON A SIDEWALK IT WOULD HAVE TO ENCROACH ON THE STAIRS OR THE LANDING THE I GUESS THE ANSWER WOULD GO THROUGH IT. SORRY AT A MINIMUM BUT USUALLY THEY EVEN SET THE SIDEWALK BACK FARTHER. THE NEXT ITEM IS THAT IS 9. SO THE PORCH HEIGHT MUST BE

RAISED TO BE NO LESS THAN 30 INCHES FROM ADJACENT GRADE. >> NUMBER 10 IS THAT THE SCREEN PORCH DETAIL MUST BE REVISED TO SHOW THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILING WHICH BE THE RAILINGS PICNIC ETC. ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE SCREEN. THIS MAY JUST BE THE THE WAY THE LAYERS WERE TURNED ON ON THE SET OF PLANS YOU RECEIVED. HOWEVER IT IS CALLED OUT.

THERE THERE ARE NO PICKETS BEING SHOWN ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE SCREEN HERE BECAUSE THIS IS A SECOND FLOOR BALCONY. IT IS ABOVE 30 INCHES FROM GRADE SO IT'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO HAVE GUARDRAILS AND THE RAILINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH IT AND SO IT WILL NEED TO BE SHOWN ON HERE AS OUTSIDE OF THE SCREEN RATHER THAN INSIDE THE SCREEN IF THAT IS THE INTENT

HERE. >> NUMBER ELEVEN IS THAT A HANDRAIL IS REQUIRED PER SECTION 311 7 8 OF THE INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE .

>> SO THAT RAILING MUST BE SHOWN ALONG WITH THE DETAIL FOR THE ACTUAL PORTION OF IT.

THAT HANDRAIL THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IS ON THE FRONT STAIR.

IT RUNS ALONG THE SIDE OF THE STAIRS AND IT'S FOR BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENT.

THAT'S WHERE THAT LEAVES THE 12TH ITEM IS THAT THE FINISH FOR HEIGHT MUST BE RAISED NO LOWER THAN THREE FEET ABOVE THE AVERAGE ADJACENT SIDEWALK GRADE.

AS WE'VE SEEN SEVERAL TIMES, THERE'S NOT ALWAYS AN ADJACENT SIDEWALK.

HOWEVER, THE ADJACENT SIDEWALK GRADE IS THE ADJACENT GRADE THAT RUNS ALONG BASICALLY THE

STREET AREA THERE. SO THAT IS THE DETAIL THERE. >> HERE IT'S LABELED ON HERE

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FROM AN GRADE TWO FIRST FLOOR IS IS LABELED AT 2 6 THE NEXT ITEM IS THE SERVICE YARD A SERVICE YARD LOCATION CONFIGURATION CONFIGURATION FOR THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE MUST BE

PROVIDED FOR REVIEW ON THE SITE PLAN. >> IT DOES SHOW THAT THERE IS A

SERVICE YARD THAT'S ATTACHED TO THE CARRIAGE HOUSE. >> IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT FOR THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE WOULD BE LOCATED IN THIS AREA HERE.

HOWEVER NOT ALL OF THE ITEMS WOULD BE IN THAT LOCATION SO WE'D NEED TO SEE WHERE THAT IS

PROPOSED IN RELATION TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. >> THE 14TH ITEM IS THAT THE STUCCO FINISH FOR THE FOUNDATION WALL NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED ON HERE.

>> A QUICK QUESTION. >> YES SIR. WHAT TYPE OF HPC SYSTEM ARE YOU PLANNING ON USING TRADITIONAL HAD A GEOTHERMAL SYSTEM YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO ELIMINATE YOUR OUTSIDE HUMAN IS THERE'S ACTUALLY A SERVICE SHAFT THAT GOES UNDER THE OR THE EARTH FOR THE COMPRESSOR UNDER THE STAIRS ON THE PRIMARY OR THE CARRIAGE HOUSE ON YOUR CARRIAGE HOUSE ONLY ABOUT 5 FEET FROM THE CARRIAGE HOUSE TO THE MAIN HOUSE.

>> THE ARCHITECT HAS EXPLAINED IT UNDER THE STAIRS AND THEN TO THE BACK OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE AS WELL AND IT SHOULD BE WE'RE TRYING AND HE SAID IF WE NEEDED TO PUT A METER ON THE HOUSE THAT WE COULD DO THAT AND COVER IF THAT WAS NECESSARY. BUT THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE SERVICE YARDS PLANNED OUT FOR THE HOUSE THAT ARE THAT DO SHOW ON THE POINTS THAT THERE IS SERVICE YARD AREA SHOWN UNDER THE STAIR AND AT THE REAR HERE I SEE THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I DON'T TYPICALLY SEE FOR THE THOUGH HBC PIPING TO GO THAT DISTANCE.

HOWEVER IT AGAIN LIKE I SAID IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THAT IS WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED LINES COULD

BE BURIED IN THAT THAT COULD CERTAINLY WORK. >> DO IT.

THERE IS A VERY SHORT DISTANCE SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ABOUT FROM THE CORNER OF THE FROM THIS CORNER HERE WHICH WOULD BE THE TOP OF THE LANDING WHICH IS NOT THE ONLY SPACE THAT IT CAN BUT THAT'S WHERE I TOOK MY MEASUREMENT FROM BECAUSE IT'S A STATIONARY POINT FOR ME TO THE

BACK WALL OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS ABOUT 17 FEET. >> SO I THINK THAT PROBABLY SUFFICES. THE SERVICE SHOULD CONCERN IT IS LIKELY GO THE 14TH ITEM IS

THE STUCCO FINISH. >> IT'S SHOWN AS BEING STUCCO. WE REQUIRE OUR UNIFIED INVOLVEMENT OR IN A SPECIFIES THAT IT'S SHELL SIZE ONLY SO I JUST NEED THAT TO BE INCLUDED IN IT WHICH IS VERY COMMON TO SEE BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS TYPICAL TO OUR UNIFIED DEPARTMENT ORDINANCE AND NOT MANY OTHER STANDARD DESCRIPTIONS.

THE COLOR MATERIAL LISTED ON THE APPLICATION IS SHOWN AS COMPOSITE.

IT'S SHOWN AS WOOD ON THE ELEVATION SO THE APPLICATION JUST NEEDS TO BE UPDATED TO REFLECT THE SAME AS THE ELEVATIONS. THE 16TH IS AT THE RAILING DETAIL MUST BE PROVIDED FOR REVIEW AND THE RAILINGS SHOWN ON THE ELEVATIONS WHERE REQUIRED. THIS IS THE SCREEN DETAIL IS IS PORTION OF THAT BUT IF THE PORCH HEIGHT EXCEEDS 30 INCHES FROM GRADE WHEN MEASURED 3 FEET FROM THE EDGE OF TRAVEL THE BUILDING CODE REQUIRES THAT IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THERE WILL NOT BE RAILINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED ALONG THE PORCH BUT IT WOULD JUST BE DOWN THE STAIR SIDE THERE.

THEN THEY MAY NOT BE REQUIRED AT THAT PLACE BUT THEY WOULD NEED TO SHOW FOR THE SCREEN PURCHASED SOME 17 ITEMS THAT THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE MUST BE RELOCATED TO BE ON THE WALL

FACING THE STREET. >> SO OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE DOES THAT THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE TO ALL BUILDINGS SHALL BE LOCATED ON AN EXTERIOR WALL FACING FRONTAGE STREET.

>> IN THIS CASE THAT WOULD BE THIS. >> THIS WALL HERE IS CURRENTLY

SHOWN ON THE SIDE THAT IS FACING THE DRIVE INSTEAD 18TH. >> IS THAT THE TYPICAL WINDOW

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THE WINDOW DETAIL SHOWING THE MOUNTAIN PATTERN OR THE MOUNTAIN CONFIGURATION MUST BE PROVIDED FOR REVIEW. THERE'S INFORMATION ABOUT THAT IN THE BODY OF THE REPORT THE 19TH. IS THAT I GOT PROFILE. IF THEY'RE PROPOSING GUTTERS WE'LL NEED TO BE PROVIDED TO ENSURE THAT IT IS RECTANGULAR SQUARE OR HALF ROUND IN PROFILE AND WHERE THOSE LOCATIONS ARE SHOWN ON THE PLANS THE PLANS DO NOT SHOW THE USE OF A GUTTER AND SO IT IS LIKELY THAT THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE ONE. HOWEVER, THE APPLICATION NOTES THAT IT IS TBD. SO IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE USED IT WILL NEED TO BE SHOWN ON THE ELEVATIONS AND A PROFILE PROVIDED THE ROOF MATERIAL IS SHOWN ON THE ELEVATIONS AND THE FLIP SIDE OF WALL SECTION AS TO SEPARATE HERE AND SO THAT JUST NEEDS BE

UPDATED. >> I AM SURE IT IS JUST AGAIN A DETAIL THAT IS STANDARD SO IT

JUST WOULD NEED TO BE UPDATED QUICKLY. >> I THINK WE SEE A LOT.

MEANWHILE SECTIONS IT'S JUST SHOWN UP IN THIS AREA. >> THERE'S THE MODEL.

THIS ONE I BELIEVE IS THE ONE THAT HAS MY CRAZY GUYS. I MIGHT BE INSANE.

THERE'S THAT THEY SAID METAL ON THERE WHICH BEARS IT MAY BE THAT THIS ONE SHOWS IT'S

ASPHALT SOMEWHERE. >> SO I THIS COULD BE A TYPO ON MY PLACE IS ALL I GOT.

>> I APOLOGIZE IF THAT IS THE CASE OR MAYBE THE CARRIAGE HOUSE IS THAT YOU MIGHT BE SEEING LIKE THE MEMBRANE UNDER THE SECOND FLOOR AND THAT'S WHY IT WAS DIFFERENT.

>> IT'S THE ROOFING IS THE SAME THROUGHOUT. OKAY, PERFECT.

AND THEN A METAL ROOF. THEY'RE STANDING THEME. YEAH WE WILL MOVE PAST THAT

AGAIN. >> I APOLOGIZE IF THAT'S THE CASE SO WE'LL JUST DOUBLE CHECK THAT. IT SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE IF IT IS EXACTLY WHERE IT IS WHICH IT

LOOKS LIKE THIS. >> 21 IS JUST A CORNER DETAIL MUST BE PROVIDED FOR REVIEW.

TWENTY TWO IS THE WATER TABLE MUST BE REVISED A FIVE QUARTER STOCK WITH A DRIP BOARD AND THE SKIRT BOARD AT MINIMUM OUR ORDER. OUR ORDINANCE CHANGED FROM A TO BUY MATERIAL JUST RECENTLY MAYBE SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS AGO TO ALLOW FIVE QUARTER MATERIAL TO BE USED FOR THAT SCRIPT BOARD IF IT IS PROPOSED. HOWEVER THIS IS SHOWING A 1 BY

SCRIPT BOARD ON THAT WATER TABLE WHICH IS HERE. >> SO I JUST NEED BE UPDATED THERE WHICH I CAN'T READ IT ON THE SCREEN BUT I IT SHOULD BE VISIBLE ON THE PLANE IN THE THIRD HERE IS THAT THE TRADITIONAL CONSTRUCTION PATTERNS AND SECTION 556 5 A

AND AM A UNIFIED RIBAUT AN ORDINANCE. >> THE APPLICATION NOTES THE USE OF COMPOSITE SHUTTERS. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE WE HAVE DISCUSSED A FEW TIMES THE UNIFIED DEVELOP ORDINANCE WHEN IT WHEN WE UPDATED IT TO ALLOW FOR THE FIVE QUARTER MATERIAL WATER TABLE. AT THE SAME TIME THERE WAS A NOTE THAT SAID IS EXCEPT IN THE CASE OF CONTRIBUTING TAXES THE DUTY ADMINISTRATOR MAY APPROVE THE USE OF WOOD COMPOSITE MATERIAL FOR SHUTTERS PROVIDED THAT THE UTAH ADMINISTRATIVE TERMINALS THAT THE SHUTTERS WILL BE CONSISTENT CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE MATERIALS USED ARE EQUAL OR BETTER QUALITY THAN TRADITIONAL BUILDING MATERIALS. IN ADDITION THAT THE REFERENCE DOCUMENT WE USE FOR ANYTHING THAT IS NOT SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT IN THE UNIFIED RIBAUT IS THAT TRADITIONAL CONSTRUCTIONS PATTERN IS IN YELLOW BOOK THAT NOTES THAT AS AN ADDITIONAL REFERENCE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS IT ENCOURAGES THE USE OF THE ARMS LENGTH RULE WHICH STATES THAT SUBSTITUTE MATERIALS MUST BE INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM THE ORIGINAL AT ARM'S LENGTH OR LESS AND THEIR PERFORMANCE MUST EXCEED THAT OF THE ORIGINAL IF THEY ARE GOING TO BE USED BEFORE THE SECOND BELOW THE SECOND FLOOR.

SO THE HPC WOULD NEED TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ON THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE USE OF A COMPOSITE SHUTTER. IF THIS IS THE CASE A MATERIAL SAMPLER OR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THAT COMPOSITE SHUTTER WOULD NEED TO BE PROVIDED IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT AT ARM'S LENGTH IT WOULD MEET THAT STANDARD. AT THIS TIME WE HAVE NOT YET APPROVED A COMPOSITE SHUTTER. THAT BEING SAID, THE ABILITY TO EVEN ALLOW FOR IT WAS ONLY ADDED TO THIS DOCUMENT. WITHIN THE LAST 12 MONTHS I THINK IT'S CLOSER TO EIGHT MONTHS. SO THERE IS SOME ROOM FOR THE PROBLEM BEING OF THE VAGUENESS

OF THE WORD COMPOSITE. >> IT COULD BE A COMPOSITE OF ANYTHING.

>> I CAN SEE THAT WITH FAMILIARITY WITH THIS ARCHITECT AND WITH WHO HE SPECIFIED HERE IS NEW HORIZON IS IT IS. IT IS A TOP OF THE LINE COMPOSITE SHUTTER WITHIN PERIMETER STAINLESS STEEL POWDER COULDN'T FINISH. WHAT MATERIALS ARE CONSTITUTE

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THE COMPOSITE CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY IF IT IS A FIBERGLASS OR BUT IT IS NOT A.

>> IT IS NOT AN EXACT WORRY. CALL IT A PDC MATERIAL. IT IS A MINIMALLY DURABLE PRODUCT. DOES IT LOOK LIKE PLASTIC? IT LOOKS LIKE A NICE PAINTING

WOULD SHATTER. >> I WOULD WE JUST WAIT. IF THEY WANT TO GIVE US A CUT OR SOMETHING MAYBE IT WOULD BE GOOD. OR MORE DESCRIPTORS.

>> ADDITIONAL INFORMATION I WOULD TOWN STAFF WOULD NEED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IN ORDER

TO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. >> NOT FOR NOT FOR DOUBT. IN THE ARCHITECT WHO DRAWS THE PLANS. HOWEVER, AS WE KNOW THAT SOMETIMES PLANS CHANGE AS WE BUILD AND WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE SOMETHING THERE THAT HOLDS THE COMPOSITE SHUTTER TO THE STANDARD THAT IS IS INTENDED AT TIME OF APPLICATION SO THAT THE STANDARD PRECEDENT FOR BECAUSE WE REALLY HAVEN'T APPROVED ANY IS YET.

>> RIGHT. >> BUT WE WERE SPECIFIC WHEN WE CHANGED IT TO A WOOD COMPOSITE SO THAT IT WASN'T A BLASTING COMPONENT RIGHT. SO WE'RE STILL IN.

AND THEN THE LAST ITEM IS THAT A SHUTTERED ART DETAIL IS REQUIRED WHILE SHUTTERS MUST BE OPERABLE. SO THE SHUTTER DOCTOR TELL REQUIRED THAT WILL SHOW UP LIKELY IN THE DETAIL THAT THEY PROVIDE. IF IT IS NOT IF IT IS SOMETHING

SEPARATE THEN THEY CAN PROVIDE THAT AS A SEPARATE ITEM. >> ON THE READING OF THIS I

HAVE A QUESTION ON THE ELEVATION OR THE SITE PLAN. >> IS THERE A POSSIBILITY OF A

GHOST ROAD CONTAINED ON THIS PROPERTY TO YES. >> I'M SORRY IN THOUGH.

>> WHERE IS THAT RELATIONSHIP TO WHAT WE'RE SHOWING NOW? >> ROBERTSON IS THE GHOST.

>> OH IS IT'S ON IT'S ON ROBERTSON STREET WHICH IS THE MAIN STREET THEY HAVE BUT

THAT'S THE GHOST ROAD ROBERT ROBERTSON IS THE GHOST WRITER. >> ROBERT IS THE GHOST.

YES. SO WE'RE IT'S WHERE THE THE BLACK DOTTED LINE AND WHERE IT

SAYS EDGE OF PAVEMENT MEAN ANYTHING TO THE LEFT. >> ROBERTSON THE RIGHT OF WAY IS THE MOST ROAD FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE PROPERTY LINE ACROSS THE STREET AS THIS IS THE TO DEFINE WHAT A GHOST ROAD IS LOOK LIKE A GHOST ROAD IS A A PLOTTED RIGHT OF WAY THAT THE RECORDS OF OWNERSHIP HAVE BEEN LOST OR OR OR DESTROYED OR ARE LESS THAN TRACEABLE FOR A STREET IT IS SHOWING UP ON PLOTS AS EARLY AS THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YEAR THIS ONE STARTED SHOWING UP BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YEAR IT WAS THERE BUT THE THERE ARE GHOST ROADS THROUGHOUT OUR OLD TOWN DISTRICT AS WELL AS THE TOWN AT LARGE THAT ARE DATING BACK TO ABOUT THE CIVIL WAR AND SO THERE ARE WE ARE WORKING THROUGH TRYING TO GO BACK AND FIND THOSE THAT DETAILS TO THAT AND TO MAINTAIN AND TO ESTABLISH MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THOSE ROADS AT THIS TIME.

>> WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THE 10 FOOT SHARED ACCESS? >> BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO MATTER. I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THAT. SO WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS SEVERAL TIMES. THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE AND WHAT FINALLY AFTER SPEAKING THE TOWN TO TOWN ATTORNEY EMAILED ME AND IT SAYS THAT THEY HAVE DETERMINED THAT AS OUR SURVEY DOES NOT SHOW THE EASEMENT WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO ENFORCE IT. SHOWING UP ON YOUR IT DOES SHOW UP ON THAT AND THAT IS BECAUSE IT WAS AND I DON'T I WANT TO GET THIS RIGHT.

THERE WERE TWO FLAT AT ONE THIRTY SIX AND ONE FIFTY FIVE WAS PREPARED FOR MICHAEL HORN TO SUBDIVIDE ANOTHER LINE. AND SO BASICALLY WHAT HAPPENED IS IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO WERE INTERESTED IN BUYING THE LOT AND SUBDIVIDING IT.

BUT THEY NEVER WENT THROUGH WITH THE PURCHASE. BUT WHEN THEY PROPOSED TO DO THAT THE TOWN RECORDED OR THE TOWN PUT IT SOMEWHERE IN THEIR BOOKS.

BUT THOSE PEOPLE NEVER TOOK OWNERSHIP OF THE LOT. AND IT HAS NEVER BEEN RECORDED WITH THE OWNERS THAT WE BOUGHT IT FROM OR THE OTHER ANYTHING WE CAN FIND FOR THE OTHER OWNERS. AND I'VE HAD MY ATTORNEY LOOK INTO IT BECAUSE IT MAKES QUITE A DIFFERENCE. IN OUR HOUSE WE WOULDN'T BE SHOWING YOU THINGS THAT WE THOUGHT ENCROACHED ON THE NEIGHBORS SHARED ACCESS IF WE DIDN'T BELIEVE IT DOESN'T EXIST. AND SO YOU KNOW, OKATIE CONFIRM WITH THE TOWN ATTORNEY THAT IT

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DOESN'T EXIST AND THAT IS YOU KNOW, IT DID SHOW UP ON SOME OF THE THINGS WHICH CONCERNED US GREATLY BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITH THIS HOUSE AND NOT BE AT THIS POINT. EVERYTHING ORIENTED THE WAY IT IS.

IF WE BELIEVE WHAT WE BELIEVE WE'VE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO BUILD A HOUSE AND SOMEDAY SOME COME TO US AND SAY OH, WE OWN YOU KNOW, WE GET FIVE. YOU NEED TO REDO ALL THIS STUFF OR YOU OWE US MONEY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO WE BELIEVE THAT WE'VE ACCURATELY LOOKED INTO EVERYTHING AND IT DOESN'T THE EASEMENT DOESN'T EXIST.

SO FOR SOME OF THESE COMMENTS IT'S MY OPINION THAT YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM ARE.

IF IT IF IT'S NOT EXIST DON'T ARE IRRELEVANT AT THIS POINT AND THE EASEMENT IS ON THE

RIGHT SIDE. >> WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE THINGS ON THE LEFT SIDE ON THE LEFT SIDE HAVE A WELL SEE SHARED ACCESS THAT IS SHOWN ON THE WEB SITE SEE RIGHT THERE ON

THEIR SURVEY. >> WELL, I HOPE YOU CAN HAVE YOUR HAVE OUR L.A. FIX THAT ON

THE ON YOUR RIGHT. >> I MEAN WE CAN AND WE SUBMIT AN UPDATED BECAUSE THE MORE TIMES IT APPEARS THE MORE REAL IT BECOMES. THAT'S RIGHT.

WELL, I WAS SURPRISE HONESTLY TO GET SOME OF THESE COMMENTS BACK BECAUSE I THOUGHT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT I MEAN WE DIDN'T SEE THEM UNTIL AND THESE YOU KNOW, THIS ISSUE WAS RAISED WHEN WE HAD OUR FIRST MEETING AND WE WENT OVER IT AND THEN WE GOT CONFIRMATION THAT IT DIDN'T

. >> SO WE WERE A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED THAT THE NUMBER OF COMMENTS INVOLVED THE EASEMENT AGAIN IN THIS SITUATION THAT THEY SHOW IN

YOUR DOCUMENTS. >> SO I'M SURE. YEAH.

I MEAN IT WAS JUST SOMETHING GOT LOST IN BECAUSE I KNOW THAT.

AND KATIE, YOU'VE BEEN GREAT SHE'S BEEN WORKING WITH US SINCE JANUARY OR ON OUR REVIEW AND YOU KNOW, I THINK WE TOOK EVERYTHING INTO ACCOUNT BOTH PROPOSED AND WE MADE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO THE HOUSE. SO YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. BUT BOTTOM LINE IS WE DON'T BELIEVE IT.

IT'S THEIR. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY PICK THE RESPONSE THAT WAS SENT TO Y'ALL IS THAT GIVEN THE QUESTION OF THE EXISTENCE OF THE EASEMENT, THE LIABILITY IS SHIFTED TO THE OWNER OF LOCK 16 WHICH IS IS THE ALL WE YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO ENFORCE

AN EASEMENT IF IT DOES NOT EXIST TO ENFORCE THE EASEMENT. >> AND IF ONE DOES EXIST, THE OWNER OF THE ADJACENT LOT CAN BRING ACTION AGAINST THE OWNER OF WHAT 16? IF THE APPLICANT SURVEY SHOWS THE EASEMENT, THE TOWN SHOULD ASSUME IT TO BE AN EXISTENCE.

IF IT DOES NOT THEN THE TOWN SHOULD RELY ON THE APPLICANT'S SUBMISSIONS IN THIS CASE BECAUSE THE EASEMENT IS BEING SHOWN ON THESE SURVEYS THE TOWN IS ASSUMING THE EXISTENCE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY OR THE UPSIDE OF THE SHARED EASEMENT NOT THE RIGHT OF WAY AND HAS

PROVIDED FEEDBACK BASED ON THAT. >> THIS IS THE EMPTY LOT.

IT IS THE VACANT PARCEL. SO IN THE FUTURE WHATEVER BEING SOLD THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY

DEVELOPER USING THAT TO ACCESS WHO OWNS THE LAND. >> NOW HERE IS THE GENTLEMAN

WHO OWNS IT. >> AS FAR AS I KNOW AFTER SENDING THIS MEAN HE LIVES IN CALIFORNIA. I DON'T REMEMBER WHEN HE PURCHASED TO BE HONEST I DIDN'T ACTUALLY GET THE SECOND PART OF WHAT KATIE SAID IN OUR FEEDBACK IN MAY SHE WROTE ME AN E-MAIL SAYING THAT THE TOWN THAT THE INDICATION THAT WE NEEDED TO GO BACK AND UPDATE OR SURVEY OR THE TOWN WOULD FOLLOW WHAT WAS COMMITTED. I WOULD HAVE GLADLY DONE THAT TO AVOID THIS SITUATION IF THAT WAS THE CASE. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THAT WAS

THAT THE TOWN WOULD AUTOMATICALLY ASSUME THAT. >> WELL, IT'S ONLY BASED ON WHAT YOU SUBMITTED. RIGHT. BUT I MEAN WE WE'RE ALSO NEVER PROVIDE THE FEEDBACK TO GO BACK AND CHANGE THE SURVEY BASED ON THE COMMENT THAT I RECEIVED AND I WOULD HAVE GLADLY DONE LOTS TO UPDATE THE TOWN IF THAT IS WAS WHAT I WAS TOLD.

>> WELL, THE EASEMENT IS THE STAIRS ARE ACTUALLY ENCROACHING BOUNDS.

IT'S NOT AN EASEMENT. IT WORE THE POSSIBILITY. >> SO I DO THIS.

HOW FAR DID THE STAIRS GO DOWN INTO THAT AREA? >> THEY EXTEND TO ONE POINT TWO FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE PROPERTY LINE IS FIVE FEET OF EASEMENT.

>> I'VE SHARED ACCESS. THAT IS WHAT THE SURVEY HE'S BEEN AWAY.

WE STILL CANNOT ENCROACH THAT PROPERTY LINE BY ANY MORE THAN THREE FEET, CORRECT? RIGHT. SO REGARDLESS IT'S OVER THE THREE FOOT APM MAKE ADJUSTMENTS IN THAT CASE IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE SHOWING THE HOUSE THAT ARE INCORRECT ELEVATION TO YOU

HAVE TO HAVE IT. >> SO THE ELEVATION HAS TO BE RAISED IN ORDER FOR THE I THINK

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THROUGH THE POINT IN HER COMMENT I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THIS ONE AND I SEE NUMEROUS STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS RELATED TO CODE .

>> SO A LOT OF IT ISN'T EVEN WITHIN OUR REALM. THEY JUST DON'T MAKE CODE .

SO I'M NOT SURE HOW TO REVIEW SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T CODE OF EVENT AND JUST SAY IT DOESN'T

MEET CODE . >> WELL IT'S NOT MEETING CODE AND IT'S NOT YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF ITEMS THAT IT SEEMS LIKE IT WILL. I THINK THE STAFF ALSO SAID WILL SUBSTANTIALLY ALTER THE DESIGN AND THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IF THEY WERE TO BE CHANGED TO MEET CODE . AND THAT'S KIND OF MY. MAYBE I'M RIGHT OR WRONG.

I GUESS I'M LOOKING FOR THE DISCUSSION FROM THE REST OF THE GROUP.

I THINK IT IS WHAT WHAT I AM HEARING AND MAYBE I'M CORRECT IS THAT THEY NEED TO SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AND THEY NEED TO SUBSTANTIALLY MAKE SOME SOME ALTERATIONS TO THE TO THE PHYSICAL PLAN. SO FOR US TO APPROVE IT, WE'RE APPROVING SOMETHING THEORETICALLY THAT DOESN'T EXIST AT THIS MOMENT IN AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO ADD IN THE FACT THAT THERE IS THAT THAT CHARITIES WITH THAT WE HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT SAYS IT'S HERE THAT WE'RE VOTING ON BASED ON THE DOCUMENT THAT WE PROVIDED.

AND YOU'RE YOU'RE INSISTING THAT IT ISN'T. AND I THINK IN YOUR BEST INTEREST IT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE GET A FINAL DETERMINATION ON THAT IN WRITING THAT THEY COULD

PRESENT TO OUR BOARD. >> SO WE'RE NOT APPROVING SOMETHING ON HEARSAY OR YOU KNOW, PUT IF SOMEONE HAS ISSUES THAT TAKE IT OUT OF THE SUBMIT ALL YES.

>> RIGHT IN BECAUSE AT THIS POINT IF WE WERE TO IGNORE IT THEN WE'RE NOT DOING OUR JOB EVEN IF WE WERE TO ENFORCE IT AND IT WASN'T THERE THEN YOU'RE NOT GETTING SORT OF THE BANG FOR YOUR BUCK. SO I THINK THERE'S SO MANY VARIABLES RIGHT NOW THAT THAT I WOULD THINK THAT WE'RE ALMOST BETTER OFF. ASKING THEM TO MAKE SOME CHANGES THEN COME BACK BEFORE US. AND THAT'S THAT'S I GUESS MY SUGGESTION AT THIS TIME BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF STRUCTURE IN THE LANDSCAPE AND ALSO THE

FRONT DOOR. >> I GUESS I WE GIVE THEM SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT.

AND AS FAR AS ME SITTING HERE I DON'T REMEMBER APPROVING ANYTHING WHERE THE FRONT DOOR WASN'T AT THE FRONT OF THE STREET. SO THAT'S IT'S VERY UNUSUAL TO SEE NO FRONT DOOR AND THINGS LIKE THAT ARE GOING TO CHANGE AND ALTER THE WHOLE

CONSTRUCTION. >> DID YOU HAVE A FRONT DOOR ON YOUR PORCH EARLIER LIKE THEY HAVE IN CHARLESTON? BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS PUT A FRONT DOOR TO THE PORCH.

SO THAT'S HOW THAT'S ADDRESSED HISTORICALLY WE HAD JUST DISCUSSED IT AT ONE POINT.

RIGHT. I MEAN IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD DEFINITELY DO IT.

YOU KNOW, I GUESS THE. I MEAN IT JUST TO YOU KNOW, AS A GENERAL POINT, THIS LAW IS 40 BY 100 FEET. YOU'RE NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO HAVE A LOT THAT SMALL ANYMORE.

OK. SO IF YOU FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE THIS A SIDE PORCH HOUSE WITH YOU OPERATING ANY SUGGESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IT MAKES THIS LOT ALMOST UNBELIEVABLE IN CERTAIN WAYS. AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE THIS A VIABLE HOUSE AND OPTION AND WHILE STILL YOU KNOW, MAKING THIS HOUSE WE'RE PUTTING NICE MATERIALS INTO IT, YOU KNOW, EVERY IT'S NOT IT'S NOT INEXPENSIVE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WE FEEL LIKE IT WILL BRING GREAT VALUE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALL THESE THINGS. AND SO I JUST GUESS OR I GUESS HOPE THAT YOU THINK ABOUT HOW RESTRICTED WE ARE AND WHAT WE'RE DOING.

I MEAN IF WE COULD GO OUT THERE AND BUILD ANYTHING I TRUST ME WE WOULDN'T MAKE SOME OF THESE DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE. YOU KNOW, WE ARE DOING IT WORKING WITH WHAT WE WHAT WE HAVE. YEAH. I THINK WE EVEN COMMENTED WHEN WE SAW YOU BEFORE YOU SQUEEZED A LOT OF SPACE IN THIS LITTLE SIGN.

THAT WAS REALLY CREATIVE. BUT WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE REALLY RESTRICTED TO SETBACKS AND

STUFF AND THAT'S ALL WE CAN LOOK AT AND WE'RE I'M SORRY. >> VERY RESTRICTED IN ANOTHER WORDS WE'RE LOOKING AT PRECEDENTS THAT WERE SET AND THEN SETTING PRECEDENT.

I USE THIS A LOT IN THIS IDEAS BUT WE DON'T WANT TO SET A NEW PRECEDENT IN SOME THINGS HERE THAT ARE TRYING TO SET A NEW PRECEDENT THAT WE REALLY I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD A WONDERFUL PLACE. BUT THEN ONCE THAT PRECEDENT IS SET NOW YOU OPEN THE DOOR FOR OTHERS TO COME IN AND SAY WELL YOU DID IT HERE. SO WE CAN'T JUST OPEN UP THAT DOOR AND SAY LET IT HAPPEN. SO WE NEED TO SAY WE'RE RESTRICTED BY ALL THE CODES AND ALL THE UNIONS AND THAT'S WHAT THIS BODY IS DOING IS TRYING TO UTILIZE THE RULES THAT BEEN SET FOR US TO AGREE FOR CONSTRUCTION. MR.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, IF IF I MAY. PLEASE. SO YOU KNOW, I GUESS TRYING SUMMARIZED SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THAT IF THE IF THE SURVEY WERE TO BE UPDATED AND THAT THAT ACCESS TO VEHICULAR ACCESS THAT'S ON THE

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SIDE OR THE 10 FOOT ACCESS WAS NO LONGER SHOWN ON THAT SURVEY AND CORRECTLY NO LONGER SHOWN ON THAT SURVEY FROM A LANDSCAPE STANDPOINT ALL THE LANDSCAPING COULD BE ADJUSTED.

THE SIZE OF THE TREES COULD BE ADJUSTED AND THEIR LOCATION WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AT THAT POINT BECAUSE THEY'RE NO LONGER IN THERE'S NO LONGER A CONFLICT WITH THE ACCESS.

I THINK ONE OF THE BIG THINGS IS THAT DETERMINATION YOU GUYS HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT NOT NECESSARILY YOU KNOW FROM A VOTE STANDPOINT IT SEEMS AS THOUGH MORE OF A CONVERSATION AND IF YOU GUYS AGREE WITH THAT SIDE YARD BUILDING TYPE THEN YOU KNOW THAT ADDRESSES A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SIDE SETBACKS AND THEN THE FRONT DOOR IF THE APPLICANT IS KIND OF REFERRING TO POTENTIALLY HAVING THAT FRONT DOOR. THE CHARLESTON SIDE SIDE THAT ART STYLE THAT WOULD THEN MEET THAT REQUIREMENT FOR THE FRONT DOOR THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.

I THINK MOST OF THE OTHER ITEMS AH AH AH SIMPLER ITEMS THAT COULD EASILY BE ADDRESSED BUT THOSE ARE SOME OF THE LARGER ITEMS THAT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE TAKEN CARE OF .

AND THEN WOOD WOULD MEET A LOT OF THOSE ITEMS THAT YOU HAVE CONCERN WITH AND I GUESS IF THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE REVISED AND BROUGHT BACK WE NEED TO LET THEM KNOW NOW IF WE THINK THIS

IS A SIDE YARD HOUSE. >> OTHERWISE THERE'S BIG CHANGES OR THEY HAVE TO ADD MORE PORCH SO WE CAN AT LEAST GIVE SUGGESTIONS THAT WAY IS THAT'S WHERE IT COMES TO WHERE'S THE FRONT DOOR AND A TRADITIONAL FRONT PORCH FOR CHARLESTON SIDE HOUSE HAS ONE

ON THE PORCH. >> IT'S NOT. IT JUST LEADS ON THE PORCH.

THAT'S NOT A BIG DEAL TO PUT A DOOR IN THERE. >> RIGHT.

AND THEN YOU TO ADDRESS THE LENGTH OF THE PORCH ITSELF. I DO.

I PERSONALLY AGREE THAT I READ THE WHOLE PORCH AS THAT WHOLE THAT WHOLE THE WHOLE PORCH INCLUDING WHAT'S WHAT'S ENCLOSED ON THE FIRST FLOOR BECAUSE IT READS AS AS OUR

HOUSE THAT'S EVOLVED. >> I ACTUALLY DO SEE THIS AS A SIDE.

CHARLESTON SIDE HOUSE. IT WOULD BE GREAT TO BETTER. >> I MEAN NOT BETTER.

IT WOULD MORE CLOSELY MEET THE EXACTING REQUIREMENTS OF THE FORMER BASE CODE IF THE BACK LOOKED LIKE A LITTLE BIT LIKE AN EXTENSION MAYBE THE ROOF PITCH CHANGES OR SOMETHING.

>> I DON'T KNOW. BUT I ACTUALLY PERSONALLY I'M FINE WITH IT JUST THE WAY IT IS AND I DO SEE IT AS CHARLESTON SIDE PORCH ATTITUDE WHEN YOU HAVE THE ADDITION OF THE FRONT

DOOR TO THOSE WHOSE BODY IS DISCUSSION FOR THAT. >> I DON'T KNOW FOR I'M NOT I'M

KIND OF . >> MAYBE YOU COULD HELP ME. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA PUT EMOTIONAL ON THIS OR HOW BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY ITEMS IT SEEMS LIKE IT DOES NEED TO

BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE BODY. >> SURE. IT SOUNDS AS THOUGH THAT YES.

THERE ARE A LOT OF A LOT OF COMMENTS. THERE'S A LOT OF COMMENTS THAT THE APPLICANT COULD EASILY ADDRESS. THE BIGGEST ITEM WAS THE THE BUILDING TYPE WHICH IS IT SEEMS AS THOUGH EVERYONE IS IN AGREEMENT AS TO THE SIDE YARD SO THAT I GET A WORD CAN WE CALL IT AND JUST KIND OF A VOTE ON THAT WITH THE BOTTOM SO THAT

WE ALL I MEAN IT HAS TO BE ONE EMOTION NOT OURS HAVEN'T WE? >> YEAH.

>> HOWARD NO I DON'T I WOULD HAVE TO BE PART OF THAT OVERALL MOTION.

I BELIEVE THAT YOU KNOW, THE CHARGE TO THE APPLICANT RIGHT NOW IS THAT THEY THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT SIDE YARD HOUSE ADDRESSING THE THE 10 FOOT ACCESS ALONG THE SIDE IS THAT WITH AN UPDATED SURVEY HAVING THAT INFORMATION REMOVED THEN REMOVES A LOT OF THE OTHER ISSUES. HOWEVER, THERE'S STILL THE THE STEPS THAT ARE ENCROACHING CLOSE TO, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY LINE. SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT THAT COMPONENT BUT NOT ONLY THEIR BILLIONS. I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T ADDRESS THAT GIVEN THE REQUIREMENT OF A 36 INCH LANDING THEIR ONLY HAVING 5 FEET TO WORK WITH. THE MATH JUST DOESN'T WORK SO WELL.

THAT IDEA WOULD BE JUST TO ELIMINATE EXACTLY. PUT A WINDOW THERE.

>> YEAH. VERY EASY IT ALL BECAUSE IT'S JUST GO TO A SMALLER DOOR BUT

YOU WOULD MAKE YOUR PORTRAIT SMALLER. >> I SEE THAT LANDING IN THE FACT THAT YOUR SITE SURVEY CALLS FOR A 10 FOOT SHARED ACCESS.

THOSE ARE THE TWO LARGEST ITEMS FOR YOU TO RESOLVE. >> YOU'RE THERE THAT.

>> YES. AND IS THERE? >> KATIE, WHAT DID I READ IN THERE THAT IT IS ALSO A FOOT TOO CLOSE TO THE BACK PROPERTY LINE?

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THE INITIAL THE ORIGINAL THE METAL WAS SO THE CONCEPTUAL THAT WAS IN THE HPC COMMENTS

THAT HAS BEEN UPDATED AND IT IS MEETING THE REAR SIDE BACK NOW. >> SO THE ITEMS THAT STAFF WOULD LIKE YOU ALL TO PROVIDE DIRECTION ON IS ONE THE DETERMINATION ON THE SIDE YARD HOUSE BEING AN APPROPRIATE DESIGN BECAUSE IF IT IS NOT THEN THEY WOULD NEED TO UPDATE

THEIR SETBACKS. >> IT SOUNDS TO ME AS THOUGH THERE IS AN AGREEMENT BUT I WANT THAT TO COME FROM YOU ALL THAT IT DOES MEET THAT WHICH MEANS THAT THEY COULD MOVE FORWARD MAKING THE OTHER LESS SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO THIS IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD.

STAFF WOULD STILL LIKE TO COME BACK BEFORE YOU BECAUSE THE ELEVATION WILL CHANGE BASED ON ADDING THE DOOR AND THE OTHER SMALLER ITEMS THAT ARE INCLUDED HERE.

THE CONCEPTUAL APPLICATION THE SURVEY DID NOT SHOW THE EASEMENT SHOWN ON ON ONE VERSION OF THE SURVEY WHICH WAS THE ONE THAT WAS SUBMITTED FOR THE APPLICATION AND IT IS SHOWING UP ON THIS REVISED ONE HERE. SO IF THAT IS REMOVED AGAIN FROM THE SURVEY TO MATCH WHAT THE SURVEY FROM YOUR CONCEPTUAL APPLICATION WITH THE SITE PLAN FROM YOUR CURRENT THE MIDDLE WHICH DOES MEET THE SETBACK AND THE HPC DETERMINES THAT THAT SIDE YARD HOUSE IS AN APPROPRIATE DETERMINATION ON THIS THEN IT WOULD BE OF MORE MINOR YET STILL CHARACTER CHANGING ITEMS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED BUT IT WOULD ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR THE TREES TO BE REMOVED FROM THE SITE BACK.

I WOULD STILL NEED THE TYPES OF TREES TO BE UPDATED TO REFLECT THE CANOPY WHICH WOULD BE ACCURATE SIZE AND THINGS LIKE THAT BUT THOSE ARE LESS START FROM ZERO MORE START FROM 90 PERCENT OF WHAT IS IS HERE SO THAT I WOULD STILL LIKE TO COME BACK BECAUSE THERE ARE

THINGS THAT WILL CHANGE WHAT THE STRUCTURE LOOKS LIKE. >> HOWEVER THEY ARE THE DETERMINATION ON THE BUILDING TYPE IS ONE THAT ISN'T BEING SAID THEMES LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A MOTION FOR HELPING IN THE DIRECTION OF POSSIBLY THE RESUBMITTING THIS IS THAT THE WAY IT UNDERSTANDING IT FROM I MEAN IT WOULD BE NOT IF I IF I MAY IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOU'D WANT TO TABLE THIS REQUEST AND THEN PROVIDE THE DIRECTION TO THE APPLICANT BASED OFF OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE PROVIDED BY STAFF.

>> I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE THROUGH THIS AND THROUGH THE CONVERSATION A FORMAL MOTION WE COULD JUST SAY WE'RE GOING TO TABLE THIS AT THIS POINT WITH THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAD MAKING THOSE CHANGES TO BRING IT BACK TO THIS BODY A MOTION TO TABLE AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT, A MOTION TO TABLE THE APPLICATION UNTIL THE NEXT AVAILABLE AGENDA COULD BE MADE AND THEN SECONDED AND THEN VOTED ON THE CONTENT WITHIN THE REPORT IF A MOTION TO TABLE IS WHAT IS PROPOSED WOULD BE ABLE TO BE DISCUSSED BUT NO MOTION WOULD BE MADE ON THE SPECIFIC CRITERIA IT WOULD BE DISCUSSION ON CRITERIA WOULD WE MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT AS A SIDE YOUR HOUSE THEN HAVE THE SHINDIG THE OTHER CHANGES TO RETURN OR IS THAT NOT?

>> NO. YEAH YOU TABLE WE HAVE TO SAY YES.

YEAH SURE. >> I THINK THE TAKEAWAY IS GET RID OF THE NEWER AND LEFTHAND SIDE GIVEN TO THE LANDING AND THE PORCH SLIDE YOUR STEPS BACK GET RID OF THE TEN FOOT SHARED ACCESS. GET YOUR TREE CANOPY RIGHT GOT A BEAUTIFUL DESIGN AND GREAT

QUALITY MATERIALS. YOU'RE ALMOST THERE. >> THAT BEING SAID, CAN I

SOMEONE WANT TO PRESENT A MOTION? >> A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS WE WANT WHEN DO YOU TABLE A MOTION? WHAT IS THE NEXT AUTOMATICALLY GET ON THAT AGENDA? THE AGENDA THERE. PAY WITH CAUTION AND THERE ARE NEVER TOO MANY PEOPLE ON AN AGENDA. PLEASE DON'T TEST THAT THEORY.

HOWEVER THERE ARE CURRENTLY THAT AGENDA HAS NOT BEEN SET AND IT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE

PLACED ON THAT WITH THE THE. >> WHEN DO THEY HAVE TO BE PRESENTED TO YOU SO IT COULD BE PUT ON TO THE I MEAN WITH WITH THE AMOUNT OF CHANGES BECAUSE THE BULK OF THE STAFF REPORT IS HERE I WOULD LET THAT I COULD I COULD ALLOW FOR THIS APPLICATION TO BE RECEIVED PAST

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THE MIDDLE DEADLINE AND I AM LOOKING AT MY CALENDAR HERE BECAUSE THE MEETING FOR SEPTEMBER IS THE FIRST I WOULD NEED IT BY THE 13TH WHICH IS NOT THIS FRIDAY BUT THE FOLLOWING FRIDAY WHICH WOULD GIVE YOU JUST OVER A WEEK TO MAKE SOME OF THOSE CHANGES.

>> IS THAT SOMETHING THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS FEASIBLE? I HAVE TO HOW DO YOU MONITOR THE CONDITION WHEN YOU APPROVE ME? WHAT CONDITION WE'RE MISSING A MAJOR RAILING DETAIL ON THE SECOND FLOOR BECAUSE I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT AND I THOUGHT OH THAT'S REALLY KIND OF BIG AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN HAVE APPROVED AT STEPH.

>> I'VE ACTUALLY GONE THROUGH POINT BY POINT AND I DID HAVE COMMENTS FOR HER OR THE PEOPLE BEHIND US BUT REGARDING THE WHAT COMMENT WHAT POINT WAS THAT NO TICKETS, THE UPSTAIRS

RAILING AND I DON'T SEE ONE IN YOUR ELEVATIONS. >> HE SAID IT WAS ON THAT AS A HARDWARE CLOTH THAT WILL SUFFICE AS FALL PROTECTION. HOWEVER I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT THAT MEETS WHO WERE NOT NECESSARILY TO MEET A WERE OUR OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL HAS

REQUESTED THAT THERE IS RAILING ON A SECOND FLOOR BALCONY. >> HE HAS NOT EVER HE HAS NOT YET TO THIS I APPROVED A BALCONY THAT DOES NOT HAVE IT AND THAT HAS TO BE NOT ON THE

OUTSIDE BUT ON THE OUTSIDE AND NOT ON THE MATERIAL. >> I'M FAMILIAR WITH WHAT YOU'RE TALKING BUT KATIE JUST CLARIFIED THAT THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK AGAIN LOOKING AT THE

CODE , MAKE SURE YOU PLACE IT IN THE RIGHT OUTSIDE. >> OH YES.

WHICH IS TYPICAL X IS 30 INCHES. >> THAT'S THE IT'S LABELED AS TO SIX TO THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE WAY OUR UNIFIED EVOLVING ORDINANCE READS.

AND AGAIN THIS IS THIS DISTRICT, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND OFTEN IT IS THE PORCH HEIGHT IS 30 INCHES ABOVE GRADE ADJACENT GRADE. THE FINISHED FLOOR HEIGHT IS THREE FEET FROM AVERAGE ADJACENT SIDEWALK GRADE. SO THE 2 6 IS MEASURING CURRENTLY TO THE FINISHED FLOOR HEIGHT WHICH WOULD BE HALF A HALF A FOOT LOWER THAN IT IS REQUIRED TO BE AND THEN THE PORCH HEIGHT WOULD BE AT WHAT IS ALLOWABLE IF THAT IS WHERE THEY WANT IT TO BE IT COULD BE RAISED HIGHER THAN IF THEY WANT A SMALLER STEP INTO THE PRIMARY

FROM THE PORCH. >> RIGHT. >> IT'S THERE'S TWO THIRTY SIX

THREE FEET 3 AVERAGE ADJACENT. >> YES. NO I'M NOT NOT THE YES.

THE UNFORTUNATE THING IS THAT THE CODE WORD FOLLOWING THE CODE AND IN THEORY IT'S THE

SAME HEIGHT AS ALL THE OTHER HOUSES AROUND. >> IN OTHER WORDS YOU'RE

MATCHING MIRRORING EVERYONE ELSE, RIGHT? >> THIS CLARIFY REAL QUICK THE LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN HERE YOU KNOW IT'S SHOWING THE ELEVATION EDGE OF PAVEMENT AT TWENTY FOUR POINT FIVE HAVING TWENTY FOUR NINE WHICH IT'S ALMOST AND THEN A LADDER SHOWN AT TWENTY FIVE TO SO IT'S NOT A WHOLE LOT SO YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO GO UP THREE FEET FROM

THE TWENTY FOUR POINT FIVE RIGHT. >> SO HOW IT'S LABELED ON THE

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ELEVATIONS IT MAY NOT NEED TO BE RAISED THAT MUCH BUT WE SUFFICES WITH HOW IT IS CURRENTLY LABELED IT WOULD JUST NEED TO BE UPDATED TO REFLECT ADJACENT GRADE VERSUS THE SIDEWALK WHICH IS A PROBLEM THOUGH THEN GOING BACK REAL QUICK TO THE INSECT SCREENING IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN SPEAK TO RICHARD BRUCE ABOUT AND GET HIM TO APPROVE, GIVE HIM EXAMPLES OF THE MATERIALS THAT'S ULTIMATELY THAT'S THAT'S COME DIRECTLY

FROM YOU KNOW, FROM RICHARD. >> SO THAT'S A LIFE SAFETY ISSUE, RIGHT?

>> CORRECT. >> YEAH. WELL THERE ARE FOUR I AM LOOKING FOR ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT IF NOT MOTION I MAKE A MOTION.

>> YES PLEASE. I MAKE A MOTION THAT THIS PROJECT SUBMIT WILL BE TABLED FOR THE NEXT REVIEW PERIOD WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE DO FEEL THIS IS A SIDE YARD HOUSE AND THE QUESTIONS PERTAINING TO WHETHER IT IS THE SIDEWALK SIDE YARD HOUSE NOW BECOME MOOT BUT THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OWED ISSUES AND NINE ISSUES THAT HAVE YET TO BE RESOLVED AND SHOULD BE SEEN BY THE ENTIRE COMMISSION TO GET MORE DETAILED THAN THAT.

>> WELL, I HAVE A SECOND TERM OF ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION THAT SAID GET A VOTE ALL IN FAVOR I PROPOSED MOTION IS PASSED FROM MR. CHAIRMAN AS THIS ITEM WILL BE HEARD ON THE NEXT AGENDA IT THAT IS WE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT THAT TIME TOO.

>> SO IT'S NOT TOO IMPORTANT AT WHICH WHICH LOCATION THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS INCLUDED.

HOWEVER, WAS THERE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? IS THERE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ANY AGENDA ITEM? OK, I'M JUST MAKING SURE BECAUSE YOU HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT I DON'T THINK THAT YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT OK, PERFECT. IF I COULD HAVE YOU FILL OUT IF YOU GET FOR THE OTHER ITEM PERFECT. THAT'S JUST FINE.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I COVER ALL MY BASES HERE. THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. I WILL FOLLOW NOW THAT HAS THAT IN IT AND IF YOU CAN GET WITH YOUR ARCHITECT TALK ABOUT TO PUBLISH THIS JUST THEN IT'S ACTUALLY EXTREMELY PERSON I'VE EVER DEALT WITH THAT IS NEXT. I THINK THE NEXT ONE I HAVE TO RECUSE MYSELF.

>> IT'S NOT GEOLOGY SO I HAVE TO ACTUALLY HELP READ THE DIOCESE.

THAT'S YOUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR . >> I'VE BEEN OF THE MINUS.

YEAH. ANYWAY, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

[IX. 2. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by Brighton Builders, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness to allow the construction of a new 1.5-story single-family building of approximately 2,196 SF and a Carriage House of approximately 1,172 SF located at 2 Tabby Shell Road, Lot 3 in the Tabby Roads Development in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood General-HD. (COFA-06-21-015405) (Staff- Katie Peterson)]

>> AND FOR THE NEXT ITEM I RECUSE MYSELF SINCE THEY ARE MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR.

THANK YOU. AND YOU HAVEN'T HAD PROBABLY ANOTHER THERE MAY HAVE BEEN REGARDING THIS. THIS IS NOT FOR AN ITEM. BRIGHTON BUILDERS BUT YOU ARE

WITH THIS APPLICATION. >> YOU ARE RIGHT. AND WHAT WAS YOUR NAME?

I'M SORRY, JENNIFER. >> IF YOU COULD INTRODUCE YOURSELVES PLEASE.

I'M JEREMIAH SMITH WITH ALISON RAMSAY ARCHITECTS AND BUILDERS I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA

DO. >> WE HAVE JENNIFER FROM BRIGHTON BUILDERS AND JEREMIAH SMITH WITH WELCOME ALISON RAMSAY ARCHITECTS HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICATION.

>> THANK YOU. YOUR CHAIRMAN THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS RIGHT AND THREE AND

FOUR SO DON'T FORGET. >> OK, VERY GOOD. THANK YOU.

>> TONIGHT WE HAVE BEFORE AS I SUSPECT OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW ONE AND A HALF STOREY SINGLE FAMILY BUILDING OF APPROXIMATELY TWO THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED NINETY SIX SQUARE FEET AND A CARRIAGE HOUSE OF APPROXIMATELY 1100 SEVENTY TWO SQUARE FEET TO BE LOCATED AT TWO TABBY SHELL ROAD WHICH IS LEFT THREE IN THE TABBY ROAD'S DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS ALL WITHIN THE TOWN BLUFFING HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IT IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL HD YOU CAN SEE THE BLUE SQUARE HERE.

TOWN HALL IS AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN. PRITCHARD STREET RUNS HERE WITH

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RUNE ALONG THE MIDDLE OF THE SCREEN. THIS IS THIS THE FIRST INWARD FACING LIE IN THE TABBY ROAD'S DEVELOPMENT YOU TURN IN THERE ARE THE TWO LOTS THAT FACE PRITCHARD STREET ON THE EDGE HERE IT IS ACCESSED FOR PARKING BY THE ALLEY THAT RUNS BEHIND ALL OF THIS KIND OF YES. THIS IS THE ONLY MAP WHICH SHOWS AGAIN IT IN THAT BRIGHT ORANGE IT IS SURROUNDED ON ALL FOUR SIDES BY THE SAME AND THEN THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE LOTS EXISTING CONDITIONS. I ALWAYS LAUGH WHEN I HAVE THESE POSTED BECAUSE MY ANGLES ARE TERRIBLE. I APOLOGISE. AND THEN THIS IS MY GOOGLE VERSION WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT BETTER, A LITTLE BIT WORSE. HOWEVER YOU DECIDE SO YOU CAN

SEE THE FULL EXTENT OF THE LOT HERE. >> THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE

PLAN. >> SO YOU HAVE TABBY SHELL ROAD AT THE TOP OF YOUR SCREEN AND THEN YOU HAVE FIDDLER LANE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE THE GREEN THE SCREEN HERE WHICH IS THE GRAVEL ACCESS TO THE CARRIAGE HOUSE PARKING WHICH RUNS ALONG THE BACK OF ALL OF THESE HOMES ON

THIS APPLICATION. >> I'VE ZOOMED IN JUST A LITTLE BIT HERE.

IT'S NOT DIDN'T DO VERY GOOD ON THE ZOOM THAT THEN YOU HAVE YOUR FIRST FLOOR SO YOU CAN SEE THE PORCH AT THE TOP OF THE SCREEN AGAIN. THE TOP OF THE SCREEN IS TABBY SHELL ROAD WITH THE BACK BEING I'M JUST GETTING THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS GOING TO BE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN NOW WHICH HAS THE LENGTH FRONT PORCH.

THERE'S A SMALLER REAR PORCH AT THE BACK THAT IS SCREENED IN THE SECOND FLOOR WHICH IS ACTUALLY A HALF STORY BECAUSE IT IS LESS AND 70 PERCENT OF THE STORY BENEATH IT WITH

THE ROOF PLAN. >> AND THEN THE GARAGE FIRST FLOOR WHICH WILL HAVE AN ACTUAL GARAGE SPACE AND THEN THE LOFT ABOVE WHAT WHAT THE CARRIAGE HOUSE.

>> SO THAT'S THE FALCONS PROVIDE THE LOFT. YES.

THE SQUARE. SO I'M SORRY. THIS IS THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE IS THE BOTH STORIES I'LL BE GOING THE WAY THAT THE SET BACKS AND SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT'S ALLOWED ON THE LOTS WITHIN THE TALLY SHOWS DEVELOPMENT IS IS DETERMINED IF THE HEATED SQUARE FOOTAGE IS ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE GARAGE IT COUNTS TOWARDS THE THE MAXIMUM HEATED FOOTPRINT THAT IS PERMITTED ON THE SITE THE WAY THAT OUR SQUARE FOOTAGE IS CALCULATED FOR A CARRIAGE HOUSE IT COUNTS BOTH THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR OF THAT STRUCTURE . SO FOR TABBY RHODES, THAT FIRST FLOOR DOES NOT COUNT TOWARDS THE HEATED FOOTPRINT BUT IT DOES COUNT TOWARDS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE.

SO MULTIPLE GUIDING DOCUMENTS THERE AND THEN I HAVE THE REFRAIN AND THE FOUNDATION PLAN JUST FOR CONVENIENCE ON THIS SLIDE HERE YOU FRONT ELEVATION .

>> SO STANDING ON TABBY ROADS YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE THE FRONT DOOR AND THE FULL LENGTH PORCH YOU HAVE THE EXISTING STRUCTURE TO YOUR RIGHT WHICH IS CLOSEST TO THIS WOULD BE A CARRIAGE HOUSE AND THEN THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE THAT FACE IT PRITCHARD STREET ON THE LEFT

HAND SIDE YOU HAVE AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE. >> THIS IS THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE WHICH WOULD BE FACING THAT THE REAR OF THE LOCK FACING PRITCHARD STREET, THE REAR WHICH FACES THE ACCESS DRIVE BEHIND AS WELL AS THE CARRIAGE HOUSE THE LEFT ELEVATION WHICH WILL BE FACING THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL LOT WHICH FACES IN TOWARDS TABBY

STILL AND THEN YOU HAVE THE GARAGE ELEVATIONS AS WELL. >> SO THIS IS THE THE REAR ELEVATION OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE WHICH FACES THE FRONT OF THE LOT THAT FACES IN TOWARDS THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE THE LEFT ELEVATION WHICH FACES THE IS CLOSEST TO THE LOT THAT FACES THE SAME DIRECTION THE RIGHT ELEVATION AND BACKWARDS LEFT LEFT.

SO THIS IS THE RIGHT ELEVATION THAT WHICH DOES FACE THE PRITCHARD STREET HOUSE.

SO TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE THERE AND THEN THE GARAGE REAR ELEVATION WHICH IS THE REAR OF THE LOT WHICH FACES THE ACCESS I HAVE THAT IN THE DETAILS FOR THE CARRIAGE HOUSE SO YOU CAN SEE THIS WAS ZOOMED IN THE BRACKET DETAILING THAT'S ABOVE THE GARAGE DOOR.

>> I CLIPPED IT OUT OF THE PLAN SO IT WAS A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO SEE AS WELL AS THE WINDOWS AND DOOR JAMS SILLS WALL SECTION AND THEN THE STRATA DETAILS FOR THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. THESE ARE ALSO INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.

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I'VE CLIPPED THE RAILING DETAIL WHICH WAS ON A DIFFERENT SHEET AND PUT IT ON THIS ONE SO THAT

THEY WERE ALL CLOSE TOGETHER HERE AND LARGER THAN LIFE. >> WE HAVE OUR LANDSCAPE PLAN HERE WHICH I HAVE ZOOMED IN SEVERAL TIMES BECAUSE IT IS PETITE.

ON THIS PAGE YOU GOT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN IS THAT FIEDLER LANE ACCESS WITH THE TOP BEING TABBY SHELL ZOOMED IN HERE SO THAT YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE PLANT CALL OUT AS WELL AND ZOOMED IN BIGGER SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THE DETAILING OF THIS BEAUTIFUL DRAWING AND THEN I'VE GOT YOUR PLANTING SCHEDULE FOR THOSE OF YOU FOLLOWING ALONG JESSE AND THEN THEY'VE ALSO PROVIDED THAT THEY'RE RUNOFF PLAN HERE FOR THE WATER TO BE DIRECTED OFF THE SITE.

>> I HAVE RUN THROUGH THESE INCREDIBLY QUICKLY AS I DO EVERY TIME WE CAN GO BACK TO WHICHEVER SHEETS YOU NEED TO SEE MORE CLOSELY. HOWEVER, AS THIS IS A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION, THE HPC CONSIDERS THE REVIEW CRITERIA THAT ARE FOUND IN SECTION THREE EIGHTEEN THREE OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT AUDIENCE WHEN ACCESSING AN APPLICATION FORCED TO FIGURE APPROPRIATENESS THE HPC IT OFF IT IS AUTHORIZED TO APPROVE OF ROUTE CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION IS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT TOWN STAFF HAS FOUND THAT WITH THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDED RECOMMENDATIONS THE APPLICATION WOULD MEET THOSE CRITERIA AND COULD BE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS THE MR CHAIRMAN IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO GO THROUGH THEM I CAN GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM OR WE CAN GO THROUGH THEM INDIVIDUALLY AND DISCUSS IN BETWEEN IF YOU'D LIKE OR AS THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WHAT WE CALL GO THROUGH THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S SOMEWHAT OF THE SAME THINGS THAT WE SEE OFTEN IF YOU WILL JUST GO THROUGH IT QUICKLY IF YOU CAN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS THERE IS IF IT'S ALL RIGHT, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO DISCUSS RIGHT AWAY YOU WANT TO DO IT THAT WAY IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S THAT MANY ITEMS THAT WE REALLY NEED FOR THAT BE ALL RIGHT. OK, THE FIRST ITEM IS THE LETTER OF APPROVAL FROM THE TABBY RHODES HAARP BECAUSE THIS IS LOCATED IN A DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS A REVIEW BOARD.

>> WE NEED A LETTER FROM THEM SAYING THAT THEY'VE REVIEWED IT, THEY'VE APPROVED IT.

THAT'S A PRETTY STANDARD COMMENT THAT WE'VE SEEN. THE SECOND IS THAT A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT IS REQUIRED. THIS AGAIN IS SOMETHING THAT IS STANDARD AS LONG AS THERE ARE TREES THAT ARE OVER 14 INCHES IN DIAMETER, HEIGHT ON A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOT.

THE THIRD ITEM IS THAT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN OR THE SITE PLAN NEEDS TO BE REVISED IN ORDER TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PROPOSED TREE REMOVAL. IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN IT IS SHOWING THE CANOPY HOW DELETION INCLUDING A COUPLE OF TREES ON HERE IN THE REAR. SO THE CANOPY CALCULATION INCLUDES THESE TREES HERE AND THIS TREE HERE WHICH ARE ON THE SITE PLAN PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED.

AND SO IT'S JUST ONE OF THE TWO IS IS NOT LINING UP AND IF IT IS THE SITE PLAN THAT IS ACCURATE INSTEAD OF THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, THERE MAY NEED TO BE ADDITIONAL MITIGATION THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN BEFORE THE ITEM IS REFLECTIVE OF THAT AS WELL.

>> AND THE LANDSCAPE PLAN WOULD NEED TO BE PROVIDED WITH A AND UPDATED CANOPY COVERAGE CALCULATION IF THAT IS TO BE ACCURATE. THE FIFTH ITEM IS THAT THE DORMER FACING THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY ARE UNIFIED DEVELOPED ORDINANCE SPECIFIES THAT DORMER IS SHOULD HAVE A MAJORITY SHOULD HAVE A MAJORITY OF THEIR SURFACE AREA TAKEN UP BY VENTS OR WINDOWS TO TAKE ELEVATIONS THROUGH HERE FOR ELEVATION WITH THAT DORMER APPEAR.

>> SO WINDOWS ARE VENTS TO OCCUPY THE MAJORITY OF THE DORMER SURFACE AREA.

>> THIS DORMER IS APPROXIMATELY 40 PERCENT SURFACE AREA. THE WINDOW OR OF THE OF THE DORMER AND SO THAT WOULD NEED TO BE REVISED IN ORDER TO MEET THAT CODE SECTION.

>> THE NEXT ITEM IS THAT A CORNER BOARD DETAIL MUST BE PROVIDED FOR REVIEW.

THERE JUST WASN'T ONE THAT WAS INCLUDED IN HERE THE SEVENTH ITEM IS THAT THERE IS PLYWOOD

LISTED IN THIS OFTEN MATERIAL FOR THE TYPICAL PORCH. >> AND WHILE DETAILS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE REVISED TO A HARDWOOD OR A HARDY MATERIAL WHICH IS PERMITTED BY OUR UNIFIED DEPARTMENT ORDINANCE ARE MAYBE OFFICIALLY BROKE THE COMPUTER THERE IS IN THIS

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OFFICE MATERIAL IT IS SHOWING AS A PLYWOOD MATERIAL SINCE IT WILL NOT LOAD AT THIS MOMENT.

>> YOU WILL NEED TO TAKE MY WORD FOR THE LOCATION. I UNDERSTAND.

YES, THE NEXT ITEM IS THAT THE SERVICE YARD NEEDS TO BE REVISED TO BE NO TALLER THAN

SIX FEET IN HEIGHT FROM GRADE TO TOP RAIL. >> IT CURRENTLY IS IS NOT

EXACTLY SPECIFIED HOW HIGH THE SLAB IS POSSIBLY. >> MAYBE YOU? OH MAYBE. YES. I HOPE SO.

>> WELL, WE'RE GOING BACK TO A PAPER HERE FOR A MOMENT. >> WE'RE NOT IT'S SHOWN IS RAISED AND WHEN YOU PUT A SCALE TO IT, IT'S RAISED ABOUT SIX INCHES WHICH WOULD PUT THIS

ALMOST AT IT. >> IT WOULD BE AT SIX FEET SIX AND A HALF FEET AT THE TOP OF THE RAIL IT IN THE TOP OF POST WHICH IS JUST FINE IF YOU CAN JUST SPECIFY THE HEIGHT OF THAT SLAB THAT IS ADEQUATE TO ADDRESS THAT COMMENT AS LONG AS THAT SLAB IS AT GREAT OR VERY CLOSE TO IF IT IS SOMETHING LIKE EIGHT INCHES THEN I HAVE MORE OF A CHALLENGE WITH THE NEXT ITEM IS THE WALL SECTION SHOWING MIXED IS SHOWING A SLAB FOUNDATION IS SHOWING A SMOOTH FINISH WHERE THE ELEVATION YOU'RE SHOWING THE TABBY YOU FINISH FOR THOSE THE STUCCO THE APPLICATION ALSO FLEX THE MIXED SHELL TABBY STUCCO AND SO THE WHILE SECTION

WOULD NEED TO BE UPDATED IN ORDER TO DO JUST THE SAME. >> WHICH ONE IT IS THE NEXT ITEM IS THAT THE DOOR SCHEDULE MUST BE INCLUDED SHOWING THE PROPOSED RAW MATERIALS.

>> THEY ARE NOT CALLED OUT ON THE PLANS. AND SO THEY JUST NEED TO BE SHOWN ON YOUR SCHEDULE. THE 11TH ITEM IS THAT THE WINDOW ON THE REAR ELEVATION IS

CURRENTLY A SLIDER WINDOW WHICH IS TECHNICALLY NOT A PERMITTED. >> AND THIS IS ACTUALLY WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS WINDOW RIGHT HERE IS SHOWN AS A SLIDING WINDOW WHICH IS TECHNICALLY NOT A WINDOW. YOU HAVE AN OPERATION THAT IS PERMITTED.

WE. PERMIT FOR A SINGLE DOUBLE HUNG CASEMENT INDUSTRIAL TILT OR FIXED FRAME IN OPERATION SO THAT WE DON'T LEAVE WE'VE EVER PROVED ANYTHING LIKE THE I BELIEVE THERE IS POSSUM WE WON IN STOCK FARM THAT WAS IN A SCREENED REAR PORCH THAT MAYBE

WAS FROM THAT THAT WAS PERMITTED SEVERAL YEARS AGO. >> HOWEVER, I CAN'T THINK OF ANY OTHER EXAMPLES OF WHERE THAT WAS PERMITTED. WE HAVE SEEN THEM PROPOSED ON COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES BUT AND AND ALLOWED IN THOSE INSTANCES. BUT THAT ISN'T TRUE.

THAT IS UP TO THE COMMISSION. >> IS THAT AN ISSUE? >> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT'S IT'S ON A BACK SCREEN PORCH ON THE REAR ELEVATION SIMILARLY TO THE REAR DORMER NOT THE FRONT WON'T BE VERY VISIBLE IF YOU JUST DON'T WANT TO USE THE RADIO TO RIGHT HERE.

OK. THAT'S GOT SHOT DOWN GREEN. THEY DON'T SHOW IT IN THE ELEVATION. IT IS RIGHT HERE IN RIGHT HERE ANYWHERE.

>> IT'S IN THE KITCHEN. >> IT DOESN'T LOOK THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A SLIDER SHOP IN THE

KITCHEN A SLIGHT HAND OUT TO ME IN THIS INSTANCE. >> I MEAN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS FUNCTIONAL. IT IS OUT OF VIEW. IT'S MORE THE EASE OF USE FOR THE FOR THE BUT THE THING WE HAVE TO REMEMBER IS THEN YOU'RE ALLOWING IT HERE WHERE WE WILL ALLOW IT NEXT TIME. IT'S THE BURN. IT COMES UP SOMETIMES DIRECTLY

AGAINST WHAT IS RIGHT HAS BEEN APPROVED IN THE PAST. >> I BELIEVE THE WINDOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS ACTUALLY DIFFERENT WHERE IT RAISES UP THERE HAS BEEN AND THAT'S AN AWNING OR A TILT WINDOW OR AN AWNING WINDOW THAT HAS BEEN THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL VERSIONS OF AWNING WINDOWS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT FOR OPPOSED AND APPROVED WITHIN THE HISTORIC

DISTRICT. >> I AM RACKING MY BRAIN FOR SIX YEARS OF STANDING BEFORE YOU ALL SO PLEASE DO NOT QUOTE ME ON THE EXACT NUMBER OF TIMES .

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THE SLIDING WINDOW THAT I CAN THINK OF THAT EXISTS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS THE CORNER LOT. AS YOU ENTER STOCK FARM IT IS THE FIRST OF THE EUGENE MARX HOUSE IS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE THAT ARE THOSE RECYCLED MATERIALS IN THE SCREEN PORCH THAT WRAPS. THERE IS A SLIDING WINDOW I BELIEVE IN THAT SIDE ELEVATION.

I DON'T KNOW THE ADDRESS THE HOUSE IS RIGHT BUT MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY.

WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I THINK THE PURPOSE OF THE BOARD IS TO MAKE DECISIONS ON THE INTENT OF THE CODE AND SOMETIMES MAKE EXCEPTIONS. OTHERWISE THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR THE BOARD THAT WOULD JUST FOLLOW ALL THE RULES. SO IF YOU MIGHT CONSIDER THAT THE 20TH ITEM IS THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION INCLUDING ELEVATION.

SO SEEING WHAT THE MATERIAL, THE HEIGHT, THE CONFIGURATION OF THE FIREPIT IS AT THE REAR.

IT IS BEING PROPOSED. JUST IT'S I BELIEVE THE MATERIALS LISTED ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. I JUST NEED TO SEE THE REST OF THE INFORMATION THAT REFLECTS THAT. AND THIS IS THE WORST. ZOOM IN ON THIS BECAUSE I'M SO IT IS IT IS SHOW THAT IT IS TABBY FINISH STEPPING STONES GRANITE FINE BASE AROUND THE 48

INCH FIREPIT. >> SO THERE IS SOME INFORMATION HERE BUT WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT THE ELEVATION OF THAT AS WELL INCLUDED WHICH IS JUST A SIDE DETAIL.

THE NEXT ITEM IS THAT THE ROOF MATERIAL MUST BE CLARIFIED. WHICH SHINGLE ROOFS MAY BE METAL OR ASPHALT DIMENSIONAL TYPE SLATE OR COMPOSITE THE APPLICATION AND THE ELEVATION OTHER MATERIAL BEING ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLE BUT DON'T SPECIFY THE MATERIAL IF IT IS AN ASSAULT MATERIAL WE JUST NEED TO KNOW THAT IT'S ASSAULT AND NOT A FIBERGLASS BASED MATERIAL SO THAT JUST CAN BE UPDATED ON THE THE PLANES AS WELL.

>> AND THEN THE FINAL ITEM IS NOTED THAT I NEED A FENCE DETAIL.

HOWEVER AS I WAS PUTTING TOGETHER THE SLIDES FOR THIS EVENING'S AFTER I GOT TWO MORE

I'M SORRY BUT THE FENCE DETAIL IS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN. >> IT'S LISTED AS BEING SHOWN ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AND SO THAT'S WHERE I ORIGINALLY LOOKED.

HOWEVER IT IS BEING SHOWN HERE IN THE CORNER OF THE SITE PLANS I DO HAVE THAT INFORMATION WITH THAT INFORMATION A FENCE MAY BE A MINIMUM OF TWENTY FOUR INCHES IN HEIGHT AND A MAXIMUM OF FORTY TWO IF PROPOSED IN THE FRONT YARD AND A MINIMUM OF THIRTY SIX INCHES MAXIMUM SIX FEET IF PROPOSED IN A REAR SIDE YARD THEY CAN BE WOOD PICKET FENCES WITH CORNER POSTS AND RAIL FENCES WROUGHT IRON ORE TUBE STEEL WITH TRADITIONAL VENIAL CONNECTIONS AND DETAILING BRICK STUCCO WITH TEXTURE TO MATCH BUILDING OR TO BE A WOOD POST WITH HARDWARE INFILL AND ABOARD RAILED ON TOP THE FENCE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE IS A WIRE FENCE ATTACHED TO WOOD POST WHICH IS NOT ONE OF THE CONFIGURATIONS THAT IS PERMITTED BY REID.

IF I DEVELOP AN AUDIENCE AND I WOULD ALSO NEED DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS ON IT SO THAT IS

SOMETHING TO NOTE THERE. >> AND THEN THE ACTUAL FINAL ITEM THAT I HAD IS THE NUMBER OF WINDOW AND DOOR PROPORTIONS MUST BE REDUCED IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A BETTER PROPORTIONAL RELATIONSHIP TO THE STRUCTURE SO IT WAS STRONGER TO USE THE CASEMENT WINDOWS UPSTAIRS SO IT

WOULD MEET CODE . >> YES MA'AM. >> YEAH I MEAN YOU COULD BUMP THE DORMER OUT AND THEN JUST A LITTLE BIT JUST TO GET THAT EXTRA SIX INCHES FOR A GO TO DOUBLE HOME SO THE CHALLENGE THAT STAFF HAS WITH THE NUMBER OF WINDOWS PROPOSED THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE HAS FIVE DIFFERENT WINDOW SIZES EACH WITH DIFFERENT PROPORTIONS.

>> AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE WINDOWS YOU HAVE ONE UNIT BY TWO UNITS THEN YOU HAVE ONE UNIT BY TWO AND A QUARTER UNITS OR SOME VARIATION OF THAT OR THREE QUARTERS BY TWO.

SO EACH ONE OF THEM AS YOU TAKE THOSE PROPORTIONS THEY DON'T INCREASE BY DRAGGING THE CORNER. THEY INCREASE BY DRAGGING THE SIDES OF THE SHAPE IS I GUESS THE EASIEST WAY TO DESCRIBE WHAT IT IS THAT I'M LOOKING AT THERE.

SO THERE ARE FIVE DIFFERENT WINDOW SIZES EACH WITH DIFFERENT PROPORTIONS ON THE PRIMARY AND THREE INCLUDING THREE DIFFERENT TRANSOM WINDOWS, TWO DOORS THAT HAVE DIFFERENT LIGHT PATTERNS ON THEM WHICH THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT TYPICALLY WOULD BE A CHALLENGE EXCEPT THAT THERE ARE FIVE DIFFERENT WINDOWS AS WELL. SO WHEN YOU ADD THE DIFFERENT DOORS TO THE DIFFERENT WINDOWS AS WELL, IT COMPOUNDS THE CHALLENGE THERE AND IN THE CARRIAGE HOUSE HAS TWO DIFFERENT PROPORTION WINDOWS THAT ARE THE SAME AS TWO THAT

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ARE ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. SO THE CARROT THE CONCEPTUAL APPLICATION HAD WINDOWS ON THE CARRIAGE HOUSE THAT DID NOT REFLECT ANY OF THE WINDOWS ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE WHICH I THINK THE EXCEPTION OF ONE AND THAT HAS BEEN REDUCED TO HAVE BETTER PROPORTIONAL PROPORTIONAL RELATIONSHIP TO THE PRIMARY. BUT THE NUMBER OF WINDOWS ON THE PRIMARY IS STILL SOMETHING THAT STAFF WOULD LIKE YOU TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT.

WARREN COMMISSION WHAT ARE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS I MEAN FOR ME I DON'T KNOW FOR EVERYONE TO I THINK WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL WOULD BE REAL QUICK MAYBE IF JENNIFER JEREMIE IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND RESPONDING TO SOME OF THESE BECAUSE SOME OF THEM MIGHT BE A QUICK LIKE YEAH WE'RE GOING TO UPDATE THAT ONE THAT DETAIL, SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER NOTION WITH THE BOARD

FIRST THEN THIS ELIMINATE SOME OF THEM. >> BRING ME IF THEY CLARIFIED

SOME OF THEM THAT MAY ELIMINATE. >> ALL RIGHT.

YEAH. THANK YOU. WE CAN HANDLE OR CORRECT OR PROVIDE DETAILS FOR ALMOST ALL OF THEM. SO THE ONES I THINK WOULD BE WORTH DISCUSSING ARE FIVE IF YOU HAVE THEM IN FRONT FIVE 10, 11 AND 15 SO ON NUMBER FIVE THE REAR DORMER JUST SO PUT THAT UP ON ELEVATION THINK NUMBER FIVE IS ABOUT THE WINDOWS FILLING

THE DORMER. >> I THINK IT'S A GOOD GENERAL RULE TO NOT SURE HOW YOU WOULD DO THAT WITHOUT PUTTING A WINDOW IN THE CLOSET AGAIN I THINK THIS IS THE BACK AND I THINK MAYBE THIS ISN'T A EXEMPTION NUMBER 10 THE DOOR SCHEDULE I IF IT'S OK WITH THE BOARD AND WITH STAFF I'D RATHER JUST TELL YOU THAT PROPOSED MATERIAL INSTEAD OF DOING DOOR AND WINDOWS SCHEDULE BUT ARE METAL I'M NOT SURE YET BUT I BELIEVE 11 IS THAT SLIDER WINDOW WHICH WE ALREADY WENT OVER AND 15 IS ALL THE DIFFERENT WINDOW SIZES.

>> MY OPINION IS YOU KNOW YOU DON'T WANT ALL THE SAME WINDOW SIZES OR PROPORTIONS.

MAYBE THAT LOOKS A LITTLE MORE COOKIE CUTTER TO ME. HAVING SAID THAT, WE CAN SOME OF THOSE I WOULD PROBABLY JUST TAKE THE TRANSOM OFF THE FRONT WINDOWS SO THAT I DO THINK IT MAKES A KIND OF A STATEMENT LIKE THESE ARE SPECIAL AND AND DIFFERENT ON THE FRONT.

>> SO I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE THAT THEY'RE DIFFERENT. >> THAT WOULD BE ONE SOLUTION

IS TO MAKE THOSE LIKE THE OTHERS. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT TRANSCENDS WHEN I WHEN I WAS DOING THE COUNT FOR THE NUMBER OF WINDOW SIZES THAT TRANSCENDS WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE CHANCES WERE INCLUDED AS A SEPARATE COUNT THERE CHANCES ARE DIFFERENT LIKE THE WIDTH BETWEEN THE TRANSOM ABOVE THE DOOR AND THE PRESENCE OF THE WINDOWS ARE DIFFERENT WIDTH. HOWEVER THE WINDOW ITSELF WITHOUT THE TRANSOM THAT'S MY OTHER WINDOWS ON THE HOUSE. SO IT'S THE TRANSOM STAFF HAS NO ISSUE WITH THE TRANCES BEING ON THE FRONT AND ON THE BACK SO MUCH AS THE THE DIFFERENT SHAPE OF THE WINDOW UNDERNEATH THE TRANSOM. DID YOU INCLUDE IT? ARE YOU SAYING YOU DID NOT INCLUDE THE TRANSOM AS A WINDOW IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FIVE DIFFERENT WINDOWS THAT WOULD THERE ARE FIVE DIFFERENT WINDOWS WITHOUT I HAVE DIFFERENT TRUE WINDOWS WITH YOU THREE TECHNICALLY BUT TWO DIFFERENT FRIENDS TRANSOM WINDOWS.

>> SO THERE'S SEVEN YES THE BUILDING BUT YOUR TRANSOM WINDOWS WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AS YOUR PRIMARY WINDOWS SO THAT I DON'T WANT THAT TO TAKE AWAY FROM WHAT I'M TRYING TO CLARIFY OKATIE WE HAVE ACTUALLY FIVE DIFFERENT WINDOWS ARE EXCLUDED TRANSOM SO NOW WE STILL HAVE AN ISSUE WITH FIVE WINDOWS IT GOES A LONG WAYS THE ELIMINATING THOSE TRANSFORMS AND ELEVATING THE HEAD OR HEIGHT TO THE SAME AS THE SAY THE MASTER BEDROOM HAS TO SIT TO A SIX OR INCH DIFFERENCE AS THE FRONT PORCH WINDOW LOOKS LIKE THE BACK PORCH MIGHT HAVE CHANGED BUT NOW WITH NO RESPONSE WITH THE ENTRY DOOR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS PUT THE BACK WINDOWS ON THE

FRONT. >> SO WE ELIMINATED ONE OF THE SIZES IN ESSENCE BUT WITH STILL REMAINS AT 3 0 WHICH IS THE SAME WITH AS THE INTRUDERS. SO PROPORTIONATELY MAKE SENSE THE FOUR INCH DIFFERENCE YOU WOULD COUNT AS BEING THE SAME NOT TWO NEVER GONNA SEE THE

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FRONT BACK AT THE SAME TIME AND THEN I THINK THAT THAT THE DOORMAN'S ABOVE THAT DOESN'T

DOESN'T CAUSE ME ANY HEARTBURN AT ALL. >> I THINK THAT YOU ELIMINATE THIS FRONT TRANSFORMS AND PROBABLY TAKES CARE OF THE WINDOW IN CASE WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO USE THE. ARE THEY GOING TO LOOK LIKE A DOUBLE HOME AND THEY'RE GOING TO PUT THAT OR YOU WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE A CASEMENT? I WAS PLANNING TO LOOK LIKE A

CASEMENT BODY TO HAVE TO ASHES AH LOOK LIKE TWO SASHES. >> OH WHEN A PERSON WHEN MOTIONS ARE MADE THERE IS A DIFFERENCE FROM THE CODE TO WHAT WE'RE DOING WE HAVE TO CLARIFY WHY WE'RE APPROVING THAT FOR THE PURPOSES OF SAYING WHAT WHAT WAS THE CIRCUMSTANCE

OR WHAT WAS THE ISSUE THAT WE HAD TO APPROVE THAT. >> SO WE CAN'T JUST SAY WE WERE APPROVING IT. WE HAVE TO SAY WHY OCEAN? IN OTHER WORDS, BECAUSE OF THAT MAKE SENSE DOES IT IN THIS INSTANCE I WOULD IF I WERE TO WEAR THAT I WOULD STATE THAT IT IS WITHIN AN ENCLOSED SCREENED PORCH FACING AN ALLEYWAY SLIDER WITH WE'RE NOT OR THING BECAUSE WE DO NEED TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE MAY START SEEING THAT ON THE FRONT AND YOU KNOW, JUST JUST SUPPOSE ABSOLUTELY IF SOMEBODY SAID YOU KNOW, JUST I ASKED KATIE BUT NOW YOU DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT EMOTION IS MADE THAT CLARIFIES WHY YOU APPROVED WHAT ALTERNATIVE FOR A CHANGE TO THE BEAUTIFUL ONE BACK TO NUMBER FIVE THERE CURRENTLY ARE NO SHUTTERS ANYWHERE ELSE ON THE HOUSE AND THERE REALLY AREN'T

ANY LOUVER DETAILS. >> SO IT'S IT'S TOUGH TO FIND A SOLUTION WITHOUT ADDING SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T CURRENTLY EXIST TO FILL IN SOME OF THAT THAT WALL SPACE THE REAL DOORMAN ONCE WE APPROVE SHUTTERS ON ONE WINDOW WE HAVE TO PROVE IT HAS TO BE PLACED ON ALL WINDOWS THAT'S JUST NOT CHARGE. NO, BUT THE CONCERN BEING GLAZING ON THAT DORMER AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU CAN'T DO THAT AND THE DORMER WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FLOOR PLAN HERE, THIS IS THE AREA THAT IS SHOWN IN THE DORMER.

SO YOU'VE GOT THE TWO WINDOWS HERE. THERE'S A CLOSET DOOR THAT IS IS THIS SPACE HERE IT'S THREE EIGHT I THINK I'M THEY'VE GOT THREE EIGHT OF CLOSET THEN TWO THREE TO CENTER WINDOW THREE TO THE CENTER A WINDOW AND THEN I THINK THAT THERE'S NO 311 NO.

>> SO THERE IS THERE IS A CLOSET THAT IS FUNCTIONING HERE AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS

DISCUSSIONS ON THIS IN THE PAST . >> I'M KIND TO THE POINT WHERE I THINK WE NEED TO STICK WITH THE CODE FOR THAT FOR THE PURPOSES OF STICKING WITH THE CODE AND THAT MAY SOUND RIDICULOUS, YOU KNOW AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S WHY THE BODY IS HERE BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO INTERPRET WHAT IS TRYING TO BE PRESENTED IN SOMETIMES IT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT THE APPLICANT WANTS TO HEAR BUT IT'S FOR THE BETTERMENT OF KEEPING THE HARMONY BLUFFTON AND AS BLUFFTON IS SOMETIMES TOUGH DECISIONS.

>> BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IT KEEPING KEEPING BLUFFTON BY IT IS BLUFFTON TODAY THOUGH RUSSIANS I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH YOU APPROPRIATE THAT THEY NEED TO BE NOT TO MAKE AN

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EXCEPTION FOR THIS VENUE. >> I WAS JUST GONNA KICK WHEN YOU WERE YOU WERE SAYING THAT IT IS ABOUT 40 PERCENT COVERAGE THE WINDOWS OF THE WARMERS I THINK IT MOVED THE CLOSET DOOR BACK AND PUT IN THREE WINDOWS WHICH WOULD TAKE UP MORE JUST MAKE THE CLOSET NOT AS DEEP.

>> THANK YOU. RECOMMENDED THAT ONE AND ANOTHER PROPOSAL RECOMMENDED SAME ASSEMBLY BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY THREE SIX IS PLENTY DEEP CLOSETS.

I MEAN YOU COULD JUST BRING THAT BACK AND JUST RECONFIGURING ADDED A THIRD

WINDOW RENEWED DISCUSSION BUT THAT'S A REASONABLE SOLUTION. >> WOULD THAT BE TO QUALIFY

REQUIREMENT? >> WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE OF DOESN'T HAVE A PERCENTAGE IT SAYS THE MAJORITY OF THE MAJORITY DORMER SPACE SHALL BE COVERED IN VENTS OR WINDOWS SO THE WORD MAJORITY SO RIGHT NOW IT'S REALLY NOT FIFTY ONE PERCENT TRIM.

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

>> ANOTHER CONFIGURATION COULD BE A SINGLE LARGE EGRESS WINDOW WITH TWO FLANKING SMALLER

WINDOWS. >> THE AND JUST TAKE IT OUT JUST SLIDE THEM.

>> WHAT'S THAT? BE CAREFUL WE'RE NOT ADDING ANYTHING OTHER THAN OTHER WINDOWS. THAT'S ACTION, RIGHT? CORRECT.

>> AND ONE THING I MEAN IN THIS I JUST BRINGING IT AS AN IDEA HERE AT THE THERE IS SOME AMOUNT OF ATTIC SPACE THAT IS IS NOT IN HERE. IS THERE A WAY THAT IT COULD POSSIBLY BE RECONFIGURED WHERE YOU CAN MOVE THE LOCATION OF THE CLOSET TO PERHAPS NOT HAVE A HEAD HEIGHT OF EIGHT FEET WHICH IS IT DOES ALREADY IT SLOPES DOWN IT'S ALREADY

SLOWED DOWN TO. >> I'M SORRY I'M ONLY I'M CONSIDERING THAT PORTION OF IT HERE FOR THE FIRST TIME. I JUST SEE THAT THERE IS SOME ATTIC SPACE THAT COULD POSSIBLY

BE WORKED INTO. >> I THINK IT DOES JUST TO MAKE THAT CLOSET NOT AS DEEP AS YOUR

FEET FROM SECOND FINISH FOR US HERE. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS WITH THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WERE GONNA CHANGE AND

ANY FURTHER WOULD GO AHEAD. >> I WAS JUST GONNA ASK WHAT YOU WERE GOING CHANGE TO OR WHAT WERE YOU. YEAH, OVER THE DEFENSE WHAT'S REQUIRED AGAIN MORE BUT WHAT JUST GARMENTS I CAN SAY THAT THE TABBY RHODES HAARP MAY HAVE AN OPINION ON THAT MATTER.

>> THEY HAVE BEEN FAIRLY STANDARDIZED IN WHAT THEY ALLOW IN THAT DEVELOPMENT SO THAT MAY

IMPACT YOUR DECISION. >> I MEAN THERE'S THIS THERE IS A SECTION OF THE FENCE WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE IT BUT ABOUT A NEIGHBOUR'S FENCE IS THAT RIGHT? IS THERE ANY DESIRED TRYING TO MATCH IT OR HOW I MEAN IT LOOKED LIKE ON THE PLAN THAT YOU WERE SHOWING TWO LINES THERE WERE AFTER LOOKING INTO MORE NOTES.

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RIGHT. WE SENT IN ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION IN ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE APPLICANT STAFF AND I WOULD LIKE A LITTLE CLARIFICATION ON THE DORMER WHAT WE WHAT THE EMOTION IF WE WERE TO MAKE A MOTION OH, WE PROBABLY NEED TO CLARIFY OH, THE DOORMAN SHOULD LOOK AT SOMETHING ELSE JUST TO SEE WHAT YOUR FEEDBACK MIGHT BE IF THAT REAR DORMER WAS NOT CENTERED ON THE BACK OVER WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO PUT UP?

>> WHAT ARE YOU GONNA PUT IT OVER? I MEAN THERE'S THE DOORMAN STILL NEAR ME THE SIZE OF THE DORMER. SO IT'S NOT THE LOCATION, IT'S THE DORMER SIZE AND THE WINDOWS THAT ARE CONTAINED WITHIN THE DORMER.

>> IF WE SHIFTED THE ROOM OVER WE COULD PUT THREE WINDOWS AND KEEP A NICE SQUARE.

>> WHAT WOULD YOU SHIFT IT OVER TO BE IN FRONT OF THE GABLE AND THE LIKE?

>> THE GABLE SHIFTED OVER SO THE CENTER OF THE DRAMA AND ON THE PEAK AT THE GABLE IF I'M LOOKING AT ON THE REAR SHIFT WE'RE TRYING TO SHIFT TO PER THE CENTER LINE OF THE GABLE WOULD ALIGN WITH THE PEAK OF THIS CABLED ROOF ABOVE THE BACK PORCH AND ARE YOU USING LEFT THE RIGHT TO ACTUALLY SHIFTING RIGHT FROM WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW WHICH WILL ACTUALLY I PERSONALLY THINK THAT WOULD LOOK NICER BECAUSE IT'S A NICE LINE YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT.

>> YEAH. >> AND IT WOULDN'T BOTHER ME THAT IT'S NOT CENTERED ON THE MAIN ROOF IF IT'S CENTERED LAUNCH THAT'S GOOD. YES.

>> AND IT IS REQUIRED THAT ELEMENTS SHOULD BE CENTERED OVER SHOULD BE CENTERED OVER THINGS THAT ALIGN WITH THEM SO THAT THAT WOULD ALIGN WITH THE PORCH COLUMNS.

WELL IT BEING THE OPPOSITE THAT I MEAN THAT THAT THAT WOULD COMPROMISE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT EASIER TO LOOK AT IS IT IS MEETING THERE AND ALSO BECAUSE IT'S TO ALLOW FOR A SMALL AMOUNT OF WIGGLE ROOM WITH THIS FOR THE APPLICANT IF IT IS ACCEPTABLE BY THE COMMISSION THAT THEY ADD A THIRD WINDOW WHILE LEAVING IT IN THE SAME LOCATION THAT IT IS OR MOVING THE DORMER RIGHT IN ORDER TO ALLOW FOR THOSE ADDITIONAL WINDOWS TO BE ADDED NEED TO BE IN LINE PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT THE MOTION IS CLEAR ON THE MOTION.

>> JUST SAY FORMER WILL BE MOVED OVER TO THE CENTER AND TO THE GABLE THAT ADEQUATE IT IS, HOWEVER THAT MOTION ALLOWS FOR NO WIGGLE ROOM SHOULD THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING NOT ALLOW FOR IT TO BE LINED UP OVER THAT WHERE IF THEY REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE CLOSET THEY WILL STILL BE ABLE TO MEET THE THREE WINDOWS WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY WE DISCUSSED.

>> IF THAT'S NOT WHAT YOUR INTENT IS THEN THAT IS CAN BE LEFT OUT OF THE MOTION.

I JUST IF THERE IF YOU WANT THERE TO BE WIGGLE ROOM FOR IT TO NOT ALIGN WITH THE PORCH BUT STAY WHERE IT IS ALIGNED WITH THE MAIN MASS BUT STILL INCLUDE THE EXTRA WINDOW IT JUST NEEDS

TO BE CLARIFIED IN YOUR MOTION . >> I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET THE EGRESS WITHOUT ADDING ANOTHER SIDE WINDOW BY REDUCING THE CLOSET SIZE AND HAVING THREE WINDOWS IF YOU DO MOVE THAT DORMER YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE THAT STARE WITH IT WHICH IS GOING TO TRANSITION DOWN TO THE FIRST FLOOR JUST ENOUGH TO SHIFT IT

THIS WAY IT'LL JUST EAT A CLOSET AWAY FROM THE STAIR. >> I APPRECIATE WHAT KATIE'S TRYING TO DO. GIVE US SOME FLEXIBILITY. I'M FINE EITHER EITHER.

>> MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT IF IT IF WE SHIFTED AWAY FROM THE STAIR THAT DOOR IS ACTUALLY A

PORTION OF THAT IS IS A CARRY UP FROM THE STAIRWELL. >> THERE IS CAN YOU SEE ON HERE WHERE THE FIVE FOOT HAD HEIGHT IS IS MARKED RIGHT HERE THERE'S THE STAIRS ARE HERE SO JUST THIS MUCH IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE STAIRS THE STAIRS LAND HERE OPPOSITE.

>> SO WHEN SOMEONE'S COMING FROM THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE WALKING TOWARDS THE FRONT AS THEY GO UP THE STAIRS OR WALKING TOWARDS THE HALL WHEN YOU GOT THE CIGARET WOODEN IT LOOKS OPPOSITE HERE TO ME IT IT IT DOES BUT I YOU CANNOT LAND IN THE CLOSET WHEN YOU ASCEND

THE STAIRS. >> YEAH I NOTICED AND SO I IT'S THE WAY IT'S LABELED ON HERE IT LOOKED THAT WAY TO ME AS WELL UNTIL JUST NOW WHEN I STARTED REALIZING I COULD WALK INTO A

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WALL BUT THAT'S I THINK JUST TO SEE WHAT I DO BUT THAT'S WHAT IN ESSENCE IS A TWO STORY WALL OF THE STAIR THAT LEADS DOWN TO THE FIRST FLOOR THAT THAT WELL YOU COULD LEAVE AND JUST HAVE A JOB RIGHT THERE WITH THE DOOR WHERE IT IS AND JUST JOB THE DORM OVER.

>> MIKE MULLEN CONCERN IN GIVING IT THAT CAVEAT IS THAT IF IT CREATES SOMETHING ARCHITECTURALLY ON AS A RESULT STAIR WELL BEING TO STORE IT GOING UP AND SERVING AS THE END POINT OF THAT DORMER THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT EITHER MOVING IT THIS WAY OR THAT RIGHT THAT WALL STAYS THE SAME IF WE'RE TAKING EVERYTHING THIS WAY YOU COULD LOSE FOR WHILE JUST DO

YOU COULD LEAVE THAT WALL LEAVET AND SON ROUTE TO THE RIGHT. >> SOMEWHAT YES.

>> ACTUALLY NO BECAUSE THE THE STAIR GOES UP THIS WAY AND THE ROOF GOES UP THIS WAY TO KIND OF OVERSTEP IT OR WE CAN AGREE WE'RE ARCHITECT YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO GET ARCHITECTURALLY WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO JUST COME THE ARCHITECTS AND THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT IS WE'RE NOT STRUCTURAL PEOPLE SO WE'RE JUST

MAKE THE OUTSIDE LOOK LIKE THIS AND FIGURE IT OUT. >> I MEAN BASICALLY YES.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY AND WHAT IT WHAT IT'S WHAT IT MEET THE INTENT OF WHAT YOU ARE GETTING OUT WITH THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE STAIR WOULD AFFECT THE EXTERIOR IF THAT DORMER MOVES, IF YOU ALLOWED FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE DORMER SURFACE TO BE COVERED IN WINDOWS ANYWAY WHICH MAY RESULT IN SHIFTING THE DORMER OR LEAVING IT ALIGNED WITH THE

CENTER OF THE MAIN MASS. >> SO IN THEORY YOU IN THEORY THEY COULD MOVE IT AND OUT A WINDOW LEAVING THE CLOSET THE SAME SIZE AND THE STAIR WOULDN'T AFFECT THE EXIT HERE.

BUT IF WE FIND THAT THE STAIR DOES EFFECT THE EXIT HERE HERE THEN THEY COULD REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE CLOSET AND STILL FIT THE WINDOW. DOES THAT NO CHANGE LIKE THAT COULD BE PRESENTED TO STAFF BECAUSE THAT IS CHANGING THE ENTIRE INTENT OF THE EXTERIOR.

>> BUT DOES IT HAVE TO BE BROUGHT JUST STAFFORD IT COULD BE BROUGHT TO HPC OR JUST SIMPLY STAFF THAT IS UP TO WHOEVER MAKES THE MOTION WITH THE DETAIL THAT I HAVE RECEIVED ON THIS SPECIFIC ITEM AT THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT I CAN I CAN MAKE THAT DETERMINATION OR BRING IT BACK TO HPC OR TO THIS COMMISSION IF YOU WOULD RATHER SEE IT HERE ANY OF THOSE OPTIONS ARE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED BUT IT COULD BE BROUGHT TO STAFF OR IF THE COMMISSION FEELS THAT I CAN LOOK AT DORMER SURFACE AND DETERMINE THAT IT IS IT MEETS THE INTENT OF YOUR MOTION GIVEN THE FACT THAT THIS IS 66 PERCENT ROUGHLY AND IT'S FACING AN ALLEYWAY ON THE BACK OF THE HOME ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

>> IF NOT I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION. ANYONE WILLING TO.

>> WHAT DID WE DECIDE ABOUT THE SLIDER WINDOW? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

I THINK I'M I'M PERSONALLY KIND OF OPPOSED TO IT AT THAT. >> IF YOU'RE NOT, I'M NOT.

ANOTHER OPTION THAT'S I MEAN BUT THAT IS NOT GOING TO IMPEDE ON THE HOMEOWNERS PURPOSE OR

INTENT. >> MY PERSONAL OPINION ON IT IS I DON'T WANT TO START SEEING

ANYONE I KNOW IT'S IN THE BACK. >> YEAH, I KNOW. I'M OKAY WITH IT IN THIS INSTANCE COMING OUT OF A KITCHEN ON A REAR FACING ELEVATION.

>> I MEAN I CERTAINLY MADE, YOU KNOW, STATING SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.

>> IN OTHER WORDS, JUSTIFICATION FOR IF SOMEBODY ELSE STUCK IT IN HER FACE.

WELL, WAIT A MINUTE. THIS IS THE CHAIRMAN I'VE INCLUDED IN READ MY

UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WAS DISCUSSED. >> THAT BEING SAID, YOU ARE FREE TO CHANGE IT AND THEN HIGHLIGHTED THIS BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ON IT.

SO PLEASE MAKE SURE TO SPECIFY IN THE MOTION SHOULD YOU BE LISTING HER STAFF'S AND THEN

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MAKE A DECISION ON THOSE ITEMS THEN YOU MAKE A MOTION YOU'RE ABLE TO JUST SAY THE ITEMS THAT ARE WRITTEN EXCEPT FOR ITEM NUMBER FIVE AND I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE STAFF

RECOMMENDATIONS AS WRITTEN. >> THE OPTION OF STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER FIVE IS FOR WINDOWS EVENTS TO OCCUPY THE MAJORITY OF THE DORM OR SURFACE WHICH COULD RESULT IN

SHIFTING DORM WHICH WILL END WITH THE PORCH. >> AND THAT WOULD BE PREDICATED ON STAFF REVIEW NOT ONE TWO AND NUMBER ELEVEN REVISED THE 4 0 4 6 SLIDER WINDOW ON THE REAR

ELEVATION TO BE SINGLE. >> DOUBLE DOUBLE HUNG CASEMENT INDUSTRIAL TILT OR FIXED FRAME

IN OPERATION AS WRITTEN. >> AND AGAIN THEY CAN BE CONSIDERED THAT YOU AND I HAVE

A SECOND DOMAIN. >> I SECOND THAT OR ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON OCEAN HAND I'M

LOOKING FOR A VOTE ON THAT. >> ALL IN FAVOR I. I.

HE OPPOSED. >> PERFECT THINGS. I I WAS BORN WITH A LETTER FIRST THAT YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION AND JUST FOR THE RECORD REMEMBER ELAINE DID ABSTAIN FROM THAT VOTE AS SHE WAS RECUSED FROM THIS ITEM. YOU CAN JOIN IT FOR ALL RIGHT NOW. LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE SOME COMMENTS OR SOME AUDIENCE HERE AND THOSE COMMENTS ARE GONNA BE MADE AFTER WE HAVE THE STAFF REMARK OR WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION OF THE TWO BUSINESSES AFTER THE PRESENTATION BOARD AND COMMISSION MAKES COMMENTS PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CURRENT AGENDA.

>> SO THAT WOULD BE I WILL ASK FOR THOSE WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE.

SO IF YOU CAN KATIE GO AHEAD. WHO IS THE APPLICANT? >> HELLO, COULD YOU STATE YOUR

NAME PLEASE? >> HOWARD FELDMAN. WELCOME.

YES, I'LL BUILD IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU, HOWARD, FOR BEING

[IX. 3. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by BFL Builders, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness to allow the construction of a new 1.5-story single-family building of approximately 2,113 SF and a Carriage House of approximately 704 SF located at 30 Meriwether Court, identified as Lot 4 in the Landen Oaks Development, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood General-HD. (COFA-06-21-015416) (Staff- Katie Peterson)]

HERE TONIGHT. THE NEXT ITEM THAT WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS REQUEST TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW ONE POINT FIVE SINGLE FAMILIES BUILDING APPROXIMATELY TWO THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTEEN SQUARE FEET AND A CARRIAGE HOUSE OF APPROXIMATELY SEVEN HUNDRED AND FOUR SQUARE FEET TO BE LOCATED AT THIRTY MERRIWEATHER COURT WHICH IS IDENTIFIED AS LODGE 4 IN THE LAND AND OAKS DEVELOPMENT IN THE OLD TOWN LEFT IN HISTORIC DISTRICT. END ZONE NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL H DEEP. THIS IS THE LOT. HERE IT IS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THAT BRAND NEW PAVED CUL DE SAC THAT IS OFF OF THOMAS HAYWARD STREET.

TONIGHT I HAVE A SURPRISE. WE HAVE BOTH OF THEM HERE AND THEN HERE SO.

SPOILER ALERT THAT'S WHAT COMES AFTER THIS ONE. SO THE MAIN RIVER ROAD IS AT THE TOP OF THE SCREEN WITH TAVIS HAYWARD COMING DOWN TOWARDS THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN. MERIWETHER COURT IS THAT NEW CUL DE SAC.

THIS IS THE ONE AT THE BACK RIGHT OF THE CUL DE SAC. THE MAILBOX IS LOCATED ALONG THE THE VERY BACK OF THIS CUL DE SAC HERE. AND THEN LOT 5 IS THE KIND KIND OF QUADRILATERAL THAT IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE GOLD DE SAC HERE. SO YOU CAN SEE IT IS SURROUNDED ON ALL SIDES EXCEPT FOR THE REAR IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL.

THAT YELLOW ZONE IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION HD ZONING DISTRICT AND THIS BOLD RIGHT HERE IS NEIGHBORHOOD CORE I BELIEVE. AND SO THIS IS THE YOU'RE SEEING THAT CUL DE SAC IS THAT QUESTIONABLE SHAPE HERE WITH YOUR LOTS ON EITHER SIDE

FLANKING. >> THIS IS THE PLOT THAT IS BEING DISCUSSED AT PRESENT LOT 4 SO YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE A COUPLE OF LARGE TREES TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE LOT HERE AS

WELL AS A FEW TOWARDS THE BACK . >> THIS IS THE ACTUAL CONFIGURATION SO THE BUBBLE HERE IS LOCATED IN THE STREET OF THE CUL DE SAC.

THE LIFT STATION WHICH IS AT THE END OF THE GILFORD PLACE CUL DE SAC IS RIGHT HERE.

THEN THERE'S RESIDENTIAL HERE AS WELL AS THE DONUT SHOP AND JEWELRY BOX TOWARDS ME RIVER

ROAD HERE. >> THIS IS THE PLACE WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR DRIVEWAY WHICH RUNS ALONG THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE LOT. THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A DEVIATION FROM THE FRONT BILL TO IT IS MEETING THE REAR INSIDE SIDE SETBACKS.

AND SO I DISCUSS THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BUT TO RETAIN SOME OF THE LARGER SPECIMEN TREES

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TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE LOT HERE. SO I JUST WANNA TELL IT TO YOUR

ATTENTION ON THE SITE PLAN. >> HERE IT IS AGAIN WITH THE PROPOSED TREES FOR REMOVAL TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE LAW AS WELL AS THE FRONT OF THE LOT THE TREES BEING RETAINED.

THE HOUSE IS SITED SO THAT IT IS FACING THE CUL DE SAC WITH THE CARRIAGE HOUSE TOWARDS THE

BACK HERE. >> THIS IS THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN SO YOU CAN SEE THE FRONT PORCH AT THE BOTTOM HERE WITH A SIDE STOOP AND MUD ROOM BEING ENCLOSED ON THE SIDE HERE.

>> AND THEN THE SECOND FLOOR WHICH IS ACTUALLY A HALF STORY BECAUSE IT IS LESS THAN 70

PERCENT OF THE STORY BENEATH IT. >> YOUR ROOF PLAN AND THEN THE

CARRIAGE HOUSE. >> SO YOU HAVE THE FIRST FLOOR WHICH HAS THE SINGLE CAR GARAGE HERE AS WELL AS SOME OPEN SPACE THAT HAS STORAGE ENCLOSED AT THE REAR HERE.

SO UNDERNEATH THE BREAKFAST NOOK AND BATHROOM HERE IS EXPOSED TO THE OUTSIDE WORLD HERE. AND THEN YOUR STORY IS LOCATED AT THE BACK AND YOU CAN SEE THAT ALONG YOUR FOUNDATION PLAN WHERE YOUR DOOR SO OUT HERE YOU'VE GOT YOUR PRIMARY WITHIN THIS EXIT DOWN TO THE OPEN AIR THE ELEVATIONS FOR YOUR PRIMARY STRUCTURE YOU HAVE THESE SIDE STOOP HERE WHICH WHICH IF YOU WALKED ON SIDE STAIRS YOU END UP IN THE DRIVEWAY.

THE FRONT COMES TOWARDS THE CUL DE SAC. THEY'VE GOT THE HIP ROOF OVER

THE PORCH WHICH IS JUST UNDER FULL FACADE HERE. >> THE SIDE ELEVATION AGAIN YOU CAN SEE THAT IN MUD ROOM HERE WITH THE DOOR ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE COMING OUT ONTO THE THE DRIVEWAY AND THEY'VE GOT PLANTER BOXES THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED ON THE SIDES OF THESE RAILINGS HERE WHICH ARE NOT NECESSARILY ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT BUT STILL CUTE, SUBJECTIVELY CUTE. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE REAR ELEVATION.

SO THIS WOULD FACE THE BACK OF THE LOT. WHICH IN THIS CASE IS GOING TOWARDS MAY RIVER ROAD AND THE CARRIAGE HOUSE AT THE REAR OF THE LOT.

THIS SITE DOES HAVE A STRUCTURE THAT IS BEING PROPOSED THAT IS BEING CONSTRUCTED CURRENTLY.

TO THE LEFT OF IT WHICH IS RIGHT. SO THE.

I'M SORRY THAT THAT WAY. >> WHICH IS IT'S ALMOST DONE. IT'S BLUE AND IT'S GOING UP REALLY BAD AT MY ADDRESS IS THE YOUR 20 MERRYWEATHER I THINK IS WHAT IT IS.

SO THIS IS THE LEFT ELEVATION HERE. SO THIS IS THE SIDE THAT WOULD BE FACING TOWARDS STOCK. YES, TOWARDS STOCK FARM. SO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS FACING TOWARDS THE HOUSE THOMAS HAYWARD THIS IS FACING TOWARDS STOCK FARM WHICH IS IN THIS LOTS CASE THE LIFT STATION THAT IS AT THE END OF THE COAL SECTOR.

AND I'VE DONE A BETTER JOB SHOWING SOME OF THOSE ELEVATIONS TOWARDS THE END BECAUSE I HAVE PUT TOGETHER A MONTAGE AND YOU'LL ENJOY THAT FOR IT.

SO HERE IS THE ELEVATIONS CARRIAGE HOUSE. THIS IS FACING TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE LOT WHICH IS THE CUL DE SAC. YOU CAN SEE THE GARAGE DOOR HERE WITH THIS DOOR WHICH IS ACTUALLY PUSHED ALL THE WAY BACK.

THAT IS THAT STORAGE AREA THAT YOU'RE SEEING. SO THIS IS OPEN AIR HERE AND

PUSHED BACK SO IT'S BACK HERE ON THIS ELEVATION AS WELL. >> SO HERE IS THAT LITTLE WALL ,THE STORAGE WHICH IS WHERE THAT DOOR IS BEING SHOWN. AND THEN THIS IS OPEN SO YOU CAN WALK FROM THE STAIRS STRAIGHT THROUGH AND TOUCH THE SIDE OF THE GARAGE.

PORTION OF THE GARAGE. >> AND I PROVIDED FOR YOU THE DETAILING HERE PLANTER THE TREE

REMOVAL PLAN. >> SO I'VE INCLUDED THIS I TYPICALLY DON'T INCLUDE THIS PORTION OF IT BECAUSE A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT IS REQUIRED. HOWEVER, IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IN ARBORIST DID VISIT THE SITE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ON SOME OF THAT WHICH IS IN ANOTHER SLIDE. BUT THERE ARE SOME OAKS THAT WERE LABELED AS LAUREL OAKS ON THE SURVEY WHICH AS THE ARBORIST HAS NOTED IN HIS LETTER AND ON THIS TREE REMOVAL PLAN THAT'S ON THE SCREEN. THEY ARE NOT LAUREL OAKS. THEY ARE WATER OAKS.

AND SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AS YOU LOOK SITE PLAN AND THAT'S THIS

IS WHERE IT IS SHOWING AS THOSE LAURELS BACK HERE. >> SO THIS ONE IS ACTUALLY A WATER ROAD HERE AND THEN THE TWENTY FOUR AND 20 ARE ALSO. SO THIS IS THE 20 AND A 24 INCH I MISSED BUT THIS ONE RIGHT HERE THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED AS PART OF THE REMOVAL.

AND I HAVE BEEN MISLABELED ON THIS PLAN. THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN WHICH SHOWS THE GRASS AREA OF THE TURF AREA HERE AND THEN THE GRASS.

I'VE GOT MY NUMBERS HERE. THE GRASS AREA WITH SOME PLANTINGS ALONG THE SIDEWALK

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HERE BUT A CARPET ALONG THE EDGE AND THEN THAT'S WHAT I HAVE HERE BEFORE I GO THROUGH THESE ITEMS. THIS IS THE LETTER FROM THE CERTIFIED ARBORIST.

IT'S ADDRESSED TO WILL AS HE'S THE ONE WHO'S REVIEWING MOST OF THE TRUE MOTOR PERMITS THESE DAYS. BUT IT IS JUST TO NOTE THAT THESE ARE THE WATER OAKS THAT WERE MISLABELED ON ONE OF THE SURVEYS THAT SHOW THE TREES ON THERE.

SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WITH THIS APPLICATION BEFORE I GO THROUGH STAFF RECOMMENDATION. I HAVE A SLIGHT SPOILER ALERT FOR YOUR NEXT APPLICATION BUT I HAVE PUT THE ELEVATIONS BACK TO EACH OTHER SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THEM. HOWEVER, NEVER WILL YOU BE ABLE TO SEE THE FRONT OF BOTH OF THESE IN ONE VIEW PLAIN BECAUSE THEY FACE EACH OTHER SO YOU CAN SEE THEM OUT OF YOUR PERIPHERAL MAYBE A LITTLE BIT BUT YOU WILL BE FACING A LOT OF FIVE LOT FORCE OF THE FRONTS WILL BE VISIBLE AS YOU DRIVE AND YOU CAN SEE TO TURN THE CUL DE SAC BUT THE FRONTS WON'T EVER LINE UP AND THE YOU WON'T SEE THE RIGHTS AT THE SAME TIME YOU WILL ACTUALLY SEE A LEFT

AND RIGHT AT THE SAME TIME. >> SO CENTER HAS A BIG PLAN BEING DRAINAGE CUL DE SAC.

>> YES. >> SO IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THERE IS SOME VARIATION IN THEM. HOWEVER, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE LINED UP ON THE SCREEN. THAT'S NOT HOW THEY LOOK IN THE WORLD BECAUSE THEY FACE EACH OTHER. SO YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T DRAW THAT EXACTLY.

SO THEN THESE RIGHT ELEVATIONS WHICH AGAIN WILL ACTUALLY BECAUSE THEY FACE EACH OTHER BE FLIPPED AND THE LEFT ELEVATIONS AND I'M LOOKING TO THIS QUICKLY I WILL GO BACK TO MY PROMISE

AND THE REAR OF BOTH OF THOSE. >> BUT THIS IS WHAT YOU WILL SEE AS YOU APPROACH FROM THOMAS HEYWARD. SO THE FRONT PORCH IS THEY WILL NOT BE THIS CLOSE TOGETHER BECAUSE THERE IS THE CUL DE SAC IN BETWEEN. BUT MY SLIDE IS ONLY SO WIDE AND THIS IS NOT TO SCALE. SO THE AVERAGE HEIGHT IS ACTUALLY THE SAME.

I JUST DID A BAD JOB AT PULLING THE CORNER THERE SO YOU CAN SEE AS YOU DRIVE IN FROM THOMAS HAYWARD THE BLUE HOUSE THAT ERNIE IS BUILDING 20 MERIWEATHER IS LOCATED IN FRONT OF THIS HOUSE. THEN YOU WILL HAVE THE DRIVEWAY IN THIS HOUSE AND YOU'LL TURN PAST THE MAILBOXES WHICH WILL BE IN BETWEEN AND THEN YOU WILL BE FACING THE FRONT AND THEN IN YOUR REARVIEW WINDOW YOU WILL SEE THE LEFT ELEVATION OF LOT FIVE HERE.

>> QUICK QUESTION AS WE'RE DISCUSSING THE SIMILARITIES OF THESE STRUCTURES.

>> THE TERM IS BEING BUILT CURRENTLY ON 1 3. IS THAT THE SAME MODEL? NO, THAT WAS A CUSTOM CUSTOM DESIGN AND IT'S PRETTY MUCH REAL DIFFERENT THAT.

>> AND THEN THIS IS WHAT THE VIEW FROM WHICH THERE THERE THERE IS NOT AN EXACT VIEW FROM STOCKHOLM BECAUSE THERE'S A LIVE STATION, SOME WOODED AREA AND THERE'S SOME COLD SPACE

BEHIND PART. >> BUT IF YOU WERE TO BE ABLE TO STAND IN THE STOCK DEVELOPMENT BEHIND THE MAILBOXES AND JUST TAKE A BUNCH OF STEPS BACKWARDS.

THIS IS THE VIEW THAT YOU WOULD SEE HERE THE PUMP STATION WITH ITS IS COVERING A PORTION OF THIS HERE AND THEN THIS IS THE SIDE THAT WOULD FACE TOWARDS THE THE PORTION THAT IS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION THERE. SO OVER LESS IT WILL BE ABLE TO

BE SEEN LESS FOR SURE. >> IT IS WHAT WE'LL BE SEEING FROM THAT DEVELOPMENT IN PART.

>> AND THAT WAS THE ENEMY SITE. SO I WOULD BE HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. WE HAVE HOWARD HERE ON BEHALF OF THE BEER THE AFL BUILDERS AND WE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE THAT THIS DRAFT REMARKS OKATIE NEXT TO THEM.

>> I'M FOLLOWING THE SCRIPT. I JUST FOUND THIS SO LIKE HE FINALLY PROVIDED ME A CHEAT SHEET. HEY, THANKS KEVIN . IT'S LIKE THIS HAS BEEN MISSING

FOREVER ANYWAY. >> BOYHOOD COMMISSION COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS COMMENTS ABOUT THIS WHERE WINDOWS ON THE NORTH SIDE I GUESS IT'S NOT THE CARRIAGE HOUSE FELLOWS ALERT AND I'M TRYING FOR YOU ALL RIGHT LEFT ELEVATION THEY SEEM TO BE SORT OF RANDOMLY PLACED

AND THEY'RE ALL SQUARE. >> WE ALSO HAVE I THINK ONES IN A STAIRWELL.

YEAH, THAT'S A TWO STORY. >> SO IT'S GOING THE OCCASIONALLY ALLOWS WHERE

WINDOWS BUT NOT A WHOLE FACADE OF THEM ARE REALLY SMALL. >> YEAH THEY'RE NOT SQUARE

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PERSAY THEY'RE THEY'RE TALLER THAN THEY ARE WHY THEY'RE CLOSE AND WE SAY PUT THE DIVIDERS IN

THOSE COULD EASILY BE I JUST DON'T WANT TO SCALE EITHER. >> I MEAN YEAH THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF BARE WALL THERE IF THERE'S ANY IF ANY OF THOSE AND I SEE A COUPLE OF THEM PAIRS IF ANY OF THOSE PAIRS COULD BE WINDOWS OF A SIMILAR SIZE TO ONE OF THE OTHER ONES THAT ALREADY EXIST MAYBE ON THE RIGHT THE MIDDLE OF THE BUMP OUT ON THE RIGHT ELEVATION SOMETHING LIKE THAT MIGHT FIT. IS THERE A REASON WHY THEY'RE SO SMALL AND HAPHAZARDLY?

>> WELL THEY'RE THERE THEY'RE SET UP HIGHER AS WELL ON THAT SIDE, THAT HOUSE THERE'S FIRST YOUR WAY TO GET THE THERE'S FOR ONE THING THERE'S THERE'S NOTHING OUTSIDE THAT ELEVATION OTHER THAN THE THE FENCE TO STOCK FARM AND THE PUMP STATION FENCE SO THE WINDOWS ARE SET UP

HIGHER. >> RIGHT. SO THAT YOU'RE NOT JUST LOOKING

AT AT THE FENCE AND STUFF OUT THERE TO SEE THE ELEVATION. >> I'M SORRY.

WHATEVER YOU WANT TO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO PUT UP THE FIRST FLOOR FROM THE WINDOWS BECOME MORE MORE ON THIS HOUSE NOT NOT SUCH A BIG DEAL BUT THEY BECOME MORE CRITICAL AS WE MOVE AROUND THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET FOR THE OPPOSITE ON THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET.

>> YES. >> THERE'S WINDOWS WAS EMBRACING THOMAS LAWN.

>> THAT MAKES HIM A FAVORITE HAVEN. IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THE SPACES INSIDE COULD POTENTIALLY TAKE LONG LARGER WINDOWS CERTAINLY THE MASTER BEDROOM AND I'M NOT GOING TO DESIGN THAT FOR YOU BUT. BUT AT LEAST SOME OF THOSE

WINDOWS REALLY WANT TO BE LOCKED DOWN DESIRABLE. >> SOME OF YOUR MENTIONED AND PATTERNS LOOK I'D YOU'VE GOT SOME WHERE I JUST SEE IT THERE'S WINDOWS.

>> IT'S ON THE CARRIAGE HOUSE. YOU'VE GOT SOME TALL WINDOWS WITH JUST ONE VERTICAL MOUNTAIN. I THINK YOU NEED AT LEAST A HORIZONTAL IN THERE TO BE MORE

LIKE THE OTHER ONES. >> ALL RIGHT. >> THAT THE POWERPOINT HAS FROZEN ENTIRELY. BUT THOSE THOSE ARE THE ONLY THINGS THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME WERE JUST THE HOPE. OH, THAT'S GOOD. SO DON'T TAKE IT HOME WITH YOU.

BUT YOU CAN LOOK AT IT WHILE I TRY AND GET THIS TO LOAD SO THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT THE

DIFFERENT WINDOWS. >> THERE'S WINDOWS IN THE CORNER.

BUT UP TO THAT UP IN THE KITCHEN IT LOOKS LIKE OVER THE SINK AND DISHWASHER SORT

OF THIS BOTTOM. >> YEAH. BOTH OF THOSE LOOK.

THEY JUST HAVE THOSE VERTICAL MOUNTAINS IN THEM. THEY JUST NEED ANOTHER CENTER HORIZONTAL TALKING ABOUT THE CARRIAGE HAVE GOT LIKE THAT ONE.

>> OH THAT'S CORRECT. SO HERE IS THAT ONE AND THEN THE TWO OTHERS.

>> YEAH. OF IN THAT WINDOW. YEAH.

I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. THE OTHER ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE.

THANKS TO YOUR LEFT HAND RIGHT THERE RIGHT BELOW THE FRONT IT LIKE YOU GOT CAUGHT OUT TOP TOUCHING. NOW HERE AND HERE. NO TOP LEFT HERE.

RIGHT THERE. AND THEN WHAT ABOUT THIS ONE? THERE SHE GOES.

ASK IT FROM THE THREE OF THEM WOULD BE BETTER WITHOUT ANY MOUNTAINS IN THE WELL.

>> THEY WANT US TO REMIND THEM OF THE OTHER ONES SO. >> WELL, YOU'RE RIGHT.

I MEAN WE SHOULD GET A HORIZONTAL MAKE TO MAKE THESE TWO.

>> THIS ONE THAT ONE. OH THEY'RE ALL THE SAME SIZE. YEAH.

MAYBE. HERE WE GO. SORRY GUYS.

I FIGURED IT OUT. EXTRA COMPUTERS. SO WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS THIS ELEVATION CORRECT? OH NO MONEY. THIS ELEVATION HERE THAT

CARRIAGE HOUSE. >> BUT WE'RE TALKING RIGHT NOW ABOUT THE CARRIAGE HOUSE.

WE'VE MOVED OUT. >> OK, THOSE VERTICAL I THINK YOU'VE FIGURED OUT WHICH ONE'S RETIREMENT TALKING ABOUT REAR ELEVATION CARRIAGE HOUSE LIFT ELEVATION CARRIAGE HOUSE RUN ELEVATION CARRIAGE HOUSE. DENVER ACTUALLY YES. THERE'S A RIGHT ELEVATION

CARRIAGE HOUSE JUST THE REAR ON THE RIGHT SIDE. >> WELL, BUT WHAT ABOUT THIS WOMAN, THE FRONT ELEVATOR? THAT'S THE ONE THAT WHEN YOU GET THIS ONE YOU GOT THIS ONE THIS ONE MALE. WHAT'S THE ONE ON THE LEFT ELEVATION OR IS THAT A DOOR

THAT'S NEXT TO THE DOOR? >> I THINK THE DOOR EXPLOSIVE CHANGE HAS BEEN THE THEN LEFT ELEVATION OF THE HOUSE WITH THE BIG BEAR WALL AND I THINK I THINK YOU'VE GOT A FEW UP

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THERE. >> SO WE'RE JUST LETTING KATE CATCH UP WITH THE I WILL GET

YOU. >> I PROMISE. I THINK I CAN'T I THINK I CAN.

WE'RE AHEAD OF YOU. >> WE'RE DONE. I'D LIKE TO HEAR ONE OF THE COMMONALITIES AND YOU'LL EVENTUALLY GET TO SEE FROM WHEN WE DO THE OTHER THE HOUSE IS ON

THE OTHER SIDE. >> ONE OF THE COMMONALITIES THAT THE DESIGNS IS THAT THE HOUSES ARE KIND OF MOUNTAINOUS ,HAVE KIND OF AN OPEN SIDE AND A PRIVATE SIDE BIT OF TAKEN

ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY NOT HAVING THAT IN THIS ONE. >> I THINK NO LARGE WINDOWS LET

IN DAYLIGHT AND IT MAKES FOR A NICER SPACE ANYWAY. >> THERE'S CURTAINS WHEN THE HPC CONSIDERS THIS PARTICULAR PREFERENCE THEY CAN IMPROVE IT WITH CONDITIONS OR THE APPLICATION IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 318 THREE OF THE UNIFIED RIBAUT AN ORDINANCE.

YOU GUYS WILL HAVE THAT MEMORIZED EVENTUALLY. I DO.

STAFF HAS FOUND THAT WITH THE FOLLOWING ADDITIONS IT COULD MEET THAT THE FIRST IS THAT A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT IS REQUIRED. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SEE ON ALMOST EVERY APPLICATION THAT HAS TREES. THE SECOND ITEM IS THAT I HAVE PUT IN HERE THE ARCHITECTURAL CHANGES SHOULD BE MADE TO BE MORE REPRESENTATIVE.

>> THE ARCHITECTURAL DIVERSITY OF OLD TOWN BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT.

I HAVE ADDED THAT COMMENT FROM THE TIME OF CONCEPTUAL APPLICATION.

THESE THIS PRODUCT HAS COME A VERY LONG WAY. I HAVE INCLUDED IT IN HERE AS THERE ARE A FEW OPPORTUNITIES WHERE SOMETHING COULD BE IN SEPARATED SHOULD SHOULD THE HPC FIND THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD COULD BE CHANGED? FOR EXAMPLE, THE AREA IN THE THE GABLES AND WHICH HAS THE VERTICAL GORDON BATTEN INSTEAD OF THE SIDE THE ALTERNATE SIDING MATERIAL COULD BE REMOVED FROM ONE OR THE OTHER. IT IS HARD TO MAKE THIS THIS STATEMENT OUT LOUD WITHOUT HAVING SHOWN YOU THE ENTIRETY OF THE OTHER APPLICATION.

NO I HAVE THE EXACT SAME THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S BEEN INCLUDED HERE.

>> THE PORCH CONFIGURATION WE'VE SEEN APP APPLICATIONS WHICH HAVE HAD THE SIDE PORCH THE PORCH HAVE STAIRS THAT COME FROM THE SIDE OR CHANGING THE RAILING THE NOT THE RAILING ITSELF BUT THE SPINDLES ON THE PORCH CHANGING SHAPE OR CONFIGURATIONS.

SO THERE'S ONES THAT GO HORIZONTAL OR THIS IS VERTICAL VERTICAL AND THERE ARE SOME THAT HAVE LIKE THE X'S OR SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT WHICH WOULD ALSO BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE IT UP A LITTLE BIT FROM MARK FROM WHEN WE FIRST GOT THERE QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT.

>> YES, AND SHOULD MY PRESENTATION WORK AGAIN WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT A LITTLE BIT CLOSER HERE. HOWEVER, I HAVE I HAVE PLACED THAT AS A CONDITION IN HERE BUT WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS GONE A LONG WAY FROM WHAT WAS CONCEPTUAL

SUBMITTED SO THAT IS SOMETHING TO BE CONSIDERED BY THE HPC. >> THE THIRD ITEM IS THAT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN WITH AN UPDATED CAN BE HEAVY TRIANGULATION IS TO BE FRIED ON THIS LOT APPEARS THAT IT WILL LIKELY BE MET BUT I NEED TO SEE THAT THE CALCULATIONS ON THAT JUST TO SHOW IT UPDATED RATHER THAN IN THE THE LETTER FORM. TRY NOT TO THROW MY PARTNER IN THE BOX ON HIS PART AND WE'LL UPDATE THAT FOR US WHAT I'M HEARING.

THE FOURTH ITEM IS THAT THE TREE DOES THAT TRADITIONAL CONSTRUCTION PATTERNS PATTERN SECTION 31 THROUGH TO THE NUMBER OF DOOR AND UP AND WINDOW PROPORTIONS SHOULD BE

REDUCED IN THIS APPLICATION. >> THERE ARE THREE WINDOW SIZES HERE FOR DIFFERENT WINDOW SIZES ON THE PRIMARY AND FIVE ON THE CARRIAGE HOUSE NONE OF WHICH OVERLAP WITH THE PROPOSED

PRIMARY STRUCTURE. >> THERE IS ONE LOCATION WHERE I BELIEVE THAT THE WINDOW HAS POSSIBLY BEEN MISLABELED FROM THE CONCEPTUAL TO MOVE TO THE FINAL ON THE FLOOR PLAN WHICH IS WHERE I WAS TAKING THOSE NUMBERS FROM. SO IT MAY BE THAT THERE ARE THERE IS ONE LESS SIZE ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE THAN BE CAREFUL SO THERE COULD BE THREE ON THE PRIMARY AND STILL FIVE ON THE CARRIAGE HOUSE WHICH WOULD WOULD STILL NOT OVERLAP

THE ONE TWO THREE. >> MY CRAZY ONE TWO THREE ONE TWO THREE ON THE CARRIAGE HOUSE

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ON THE HOUSE. >> I BELIEVE THIS IS ACTUALLY A DIFFERENT SIZE PERHAPS THAN

THIS ONE TWO THREE FOUR AND THEN THE PRIMARY HOUSE. >> YOU HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE AND

FOUR. >> ALL SHOULD BE THE SAME THREE.

THAT'S WHERE I CAME HERE. HERE'S MY FOURTH. CAME UP WITH RIBAUT.

ONE, TWO, THREE. AND I'M FAIRLY CONFIDENT I COUNTED FOUR ON THE FLOOR PLANS BECAUSE I COUNTED THEM OUT BASED ON THE NUMBERS THAT ARE PROVIDED ON THE FLOOR AND ONE WAS MAYBE A MISLABELING AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED BY THE HPC AS WELL.

>> W I WOULDN'T COUNT ON THAT JUST COUNT LOW LOW DOOR IS THAT A NORMAL SIZED DOOR FRONT DOOR

? >> IT'S A SIX 8 OR THE TRANSMITTER WITH I HEAD TO THE WINDOWS LOADER FOR A FRONT DOOR AROUND HERE BUT YOU COULD REALLY LIKE A DOOR BETTER.

>> THAT'S FINE. I MEAN IF WE RAISED JUST THE ROOF A LITTLE BIT YOU COULD SEE

THE WHOLE DOOR CEILING. >> YOU COULD VERY EASILY HAVE AN EIGHT FOOT GET IF THAT'S

PREFERRED THAT'S FINE. >> AND THAT WOULD ALSO ELIMINATE MAKE THAT PORCH

SPACING MORE VERTICAL AND LESS SQUARE. >> THE OTHER HOUSE HAS A LOWER I THINK THEY TRIED TO MAKE THIS ONE TO LOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENT BUT THEN YOU END UP WITH A DOOR THAT LOOKS A LITTLE SHORT FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. I'LL ASK YOU THAT IF IT RUNS AND YOU CAN JUST DROP THE PITCH BECAUSE THERE IS A SOLID MAHOGANY DOOR.

>> IT DOES NOT HAVE A GLASS PANEL. NO.

IT SHOULD BE. DID YOU LABEL THAT IT SHOULD BE A LIGHT AND WE'LL HAVE TO WE'LL

HAVE TO RESUBMIT THAT WHEN WE THOSE THAT WERE RECOMMENDED. >> THE DOOR IS NOTED A SOLID

BIT ON THE APPLICATION. >> SO IT SAYS IT'S A SOLID WOOD DOOR.

NO. >> I'M JUST LOOKING TO SEE IF YOU HAVE A STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND IF NOT WE NEED MAKE SURE WE HAVE WHAT I HAVE THAT IT IS NOT A STAFF RECOMMENDATION IF YOU'D LIKE TO CHANGE WHAT THEIR DORM MATERIAL OR SIZING IS THAT WE NEED TO BE INCLUDED BUT THEIR

DOOR HAS BEEN PROPOSED AS SOLID WOOD DOOR WHICH IS PERMITTED. >> MIND YOU BUT IF WE'RE CHANGING THIS SIZE OF THE DOOR WE HAVE TO NOTE THAT YES THE NEXT ITEM I HAVE IS THAT THE HPC MUST DETERMINE IF AN EXCEPTION TO THE FRONT BILL TO LINE IS IS APPROPRIATE TO

PRESERVE THE PROTECTED TREES AT THE FRONT OF THE LOT. >> THE HPC DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO ALLOW A DEVIATION FROM THE FRONT BUILD TO IF IT IS TO PRESERVE THE RIVER NET PRESERVE NATURAL FEATURES OR OTHER ARCHITECTURE THAT IS HISTORIC.

AND SO THAT CODE SECTION IS TIED TO THAT TO BE REDUNDANT. BUT IF WE DO MAKE A MOTION WE KNOW THIS I'VE MISSED WHERE THE DEVIATE SHIN WAS HAPPENING IN FRONT OF A LOT.

>> POINTED TO SOME TREES BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S DIFFERENT FROM WHAT IT SHOULD BE.

SO THE FRONT SAT BACK FOR A IN AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE HERE IS 10 TO 20 FEET AND IT'S BEING PROPOSED AT TWENTY SEVEN FEET FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE.

>> LOTS OF FUNKY FRONT LINE THOUGH SO THAT'S THE CLOSEST POINT IS AT TWENTY SEVEN.

>> OKAY. IT EXTENDS WELL BEYOND THAT. DOWN HERE WHICH IS THIRTY EIGHT FEET AND FOUR INCHES. ACCORDING TO THIS TO THE EDGE OF THE PORCH WHICH IS THEN ANOTHER SIX FEET BEYOND THAT. SO THE FRONT BILLED TO WHICH IS PULLED FROM THIS CORNER HERE FROM HERE TO HERE IS TWENTY SEVEN FEET APPROXIMATELY. I PICKED A POINT AT THE CURVE WHICH WAS PERPENDICULAR TO THE HOUSE SO THAT IT'S APPROXIMATELY A SEVEN FOOT DEVIATION FROM THAT FROM BILL TO BUT THEY ARE ABLE TO MEET THE REAR INSIDE SETBACKS WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT THE HPC WOULD THEN BE ABLE CONSIDER ON THAT FRONT.

>> IT HAS BEEN DONE MANY TIMES BEFORE TO PRESERVE TREES ETC. AND STAFF HAS NO ISSUE WITH WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IN THIS INSTANCE. THAT BEING SAID, IT IS UP TO THE HPC TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. SOME OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE WELL IT HAD A LOT TO DO WITH KEEPING THOSE TREES IN THE FRONT.

>> WHAT'S WHAT'S DIFFICULT IN THIS FORMAT IS YOU SEE ON THE DRAWING A LITTLE DRAWING OF A

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TREE BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE GOES IN WHAT DIRECTION. DON'T SEE THE GROUND UP HERE TRYING TO KEEP THE HOUSE AWAY FROM GETTING IN AND ARGUING ABOUT TREES.

>> WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS AS FAR AS ELIMINATING CARS RUNNING OVER THE ROOT SYSTEM?

>> IF YOU CAN'T PROTECT THE TREES, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PROTECT THE TREES BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE YOUR CONSTRUCTION GUYS JUST RUNNING OVER THERE AND THEY'RE GOING TO DIE IN FIVE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE A TOUGH THING. I'M SORRY TREE PROJECTIONS ONLY DO THE WHOLE FRONT LIKE THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A JAM PROTECTIONS ONLY WAY IN AND OUT WOULD BE THROUGH THE DRIVEWAY. BUT YOU WILL YOU PROVIDED TREE PROTECTION?

>> YES. OH YEAH. THAT WAS REQUIRING WHY? I'M JUST MAKING SURE. YEAH. NO YOU ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

>> ESPECIALLY WHEN THE EXCEPTION IS AROUND THE TREE THE HEALTH OF THE TREE.

>> RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH.

SO WE DON'T MISS THAT IN LARGE ENOUGH SO WE HAD AN ARBORIST. SO WE HAVE A LARGE ENOUGH SO THAT YOU'RE NOT CRUSHING THE ROOTS AND GET SOME TREES ON THIS PROPERTY.

THEY'RE APPEARS TO BE A. >> I WORK ON ON THE REAR PROPERTY THAT IS LABELED HERE BE REMOVED. IF WE LOOK AT SEE ONE POINT ZERO ARE TREES.

>> IT'S WITHIN THIS. EXACTLY WHAT IT'S LABELED BATTERED DOWN.

I THOUGHT THAT I READ SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY SAID THE ONLY TREES THAT ARE BEING REMOVED WERE DID

NOT INDICATE THAT A LIE LIFEBOAT WAS BEING REMOVED. >> OTHER THAN THE DISEASE BATCH SINCE HAD LOST EVERYTHING IN THE BACK IS KIND OF BAFFLING. THERE'S ONE THAT'S BEEN HELPING ME DO THIS. THEY DON'T GO UP TO A COUPLE OF THEM ARE DEAD .

THERE'S A LITTLE BENCH IN THE HARBORS OR THE LOCATION WHERE REFERENCES REMOVAL PLAN.

>> AND THE BREAK RADIUS THAT LOOK ABOUT LABEL. I'M SO SORRY.

THERE'S TENANTS INCH LIGHTBULB . >> YEAH THE DAMAGED ONES THAT

ARE RED THE THREE THE CLUSTER OF THREE. >> YES.

YEAH. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY ARE IN NEED OF BEING MOVED AND IT WOULD TAKE A GOOD DEAL OF CANOPY OUT THAT MAY BE ABLE TO STAY.

>> YEAH I KNOW THAT AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE DEAD ON THE RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE.

>> I'M ONE OF ON THIS ONE THAT WE DIDN'T GO IN THERE AND JUST KNOCKED ME DOWN FOR THE SAKE

OF ARGUMENT A GOOD POSITION IN THE HOUSE NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. >> AND YOU KNOW YOU'VE SAVED THOSE LIFE BOOKS IN THE FRONT BUT I DO FEEL LIKE THAT THE ONE THAT'S THERE IN THE BANK THAT'S INDICATED TO BE REMOVED. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A HINDRANCE FOR ANY STRUCTURE OR IS NESS IS NECESSARY TO BE REMOVED. MR. AND MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY JUST I THINK MAYBE TO TO HELP FACILITATE THAT THAT COMMENT IS THAT AT THE TIME THAT THE TREE PERMIT OR THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT IS SUBMITTED THAT STAFF WILL GO OUT AND INSPECT ALL OF THE TREES IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF ANY OF THE TREES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED THAT CAN BE SAVED THAT WE MAKE SURE TO CAPTURE THOSE AND THAT THAT THEY ARE SAVED AND TREES

ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO THIS WHOLE TOWN. >> ABSOLUTELY.

I THINK THERE ARE SOME WONDERFUL TREES ON HIS PROPERTY INCLUDING SOME PALM TREES.

BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I WALKED THAT PROPERTY EVERY DAY PRETTY MUCH TO GO FOR A WALK AND THERE'S SOME BEAUTIFUL TREES BACK THERE THAT I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE ALL SAVING TREES AND THAT WE HAVE SOME PROFESSIONALS WITHIN THE TOWN THAT ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT JUST NILLY GET A CHAINSAW. AND MR. ZEPP.

MR. HAVE THAT HOPEFULLY THAT KIND OF CAPTURES THE INTENT OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AND

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THEN WHEN WE GO THROUGH THAT WE'LL MAKE SURE BOTH THE LOOKING AT THE ADVERSE ASSESSMENT AND THEN DOING A GOOD INSPECTION. WHAT WAS THAT? WELL, YEAH. WE'RE EXPECTING YOU GUYS TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

ABSOLUTELY. AGAIN, OUR INTENT IS TO SAVE AS MANY OF THE TREES AS POSSIBLE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT. TURNING ALL RIGHT.

>> WHERE ARE YOU, KATIE? I THINK YOU'RE ON ITEM SIX IS THE MATERIAL DIMENSIONAL

INFORMATION ON THE PROPOSED SERVICE YARD? >> I AM SERVICE YARD CRAZY TODAY. IT IS TEARING UP THE ELEVATIONS.

HOWEVER IT IS SHOWING ON THE SITE PLAN HERE IS A FOUR BY FOUR BY SIX YARD BEFORE PASTE POSTS PAINTED THE SAME AS THE TERM STAFF IS JUST REQUESTING THAT IT BE SHOWN ON THE ELEVATIONS AS WELL SO THAT WE CAN SEE THAT ON AND ENSURE THAT ALL OF THE UTILITIES WILL BE

ABLE TO BE CONTAINED WITHIN THAT SERVICE YARD. >> IT IS AT THE REAR OF THE HOUSE HERE THAT IT IS NOT SHOWN ON THE ELEVATION OF THE CHART ON THE SITE.

>> THE NEXT ITEM IS A RAILING DETAIL WHICH INCLUDES THE HANDRAIL EXTENDING FROM THE NOSE TOP NOSE TO THE BOTTOM NOSE OF THE STAIR. THERE IS A HANDRAIL WHICH IS BEING SHOWN OR THERE'S A RAILING BEING SHOWN. HOWEVER IT DOES NOT EXTEND TO THE BOTTOM NOSE OF THE STAIR. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE WITH BUILDING

SAFETY WHEN THE PLAN GETS TO THEM. >> SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO SEE ON THEIR THE THE PRETTY PORTION OF IT. MACE MAY STOP THERE SHOULD IT BE THE APPLICANT AND COMMISSION'S DECISION BUT THE HANDRAIL ITSELF WOULD NEED TO EXTEND AT LEAST TO THE BOTTOM OF THE STAIR, RECALLED THE NEXT ITEM IS THAT THE IN ORDER TO MEET THE SPACING REQUIREMENTS BY THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.

>> THE COLUMN SPACING ON THE FRONT ELEVATION MUST BE RECONFIGURED TO BE SPACED NO FURTHER APART THAN THEY ARE TALL ON THE PORCH. STAFF WOULD JUST LIKE TO NOTE THAT WHEN YOU TAKE THIS APPLICATION AND COMPARE IT TO THE OTHER APPLICATION THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION DID HAVE COLUMN SPACING THAT MET THIS CODE SECTION AND WHEN THEY WENT TO CHANGE SOME OF THOSE DETAILS THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY CHANGED.

NOW THE PORCH COULD BE RECONSIDERED RECONFIGURED TO BE NARROWED IN ORDER TO MEET THIS OR SOME OTHER CONFIGURATION. HOWEVER, I JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT IT IS ONE OF THE ITEMS

THAT WAS DOUBLE COLUMNS TO REDUCE THE DISTANCE TO CORRECT. >> IN THE CENTER THE CENTER WOULD YOU MEASURE THAT CALCULATION OF THE HEIGHT THE WIDTH YOU SET THE CENTER TO CENTER THE HEIGHT WOULD BE FROM THE TOP OF THE DAGGER THE PORCH SURFACE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE

BEAM. >> IT'S THE TOP OF THE TOP OF THE COLUMN WHERE IT ENDS TODAY. THE BASE HERE. SO THIS IS WHERE I MEASURED THE HEIGHT HERE. AND I'LL MAKE IT REALLY THERE. AND THEN THE SPACING IS LIKE COMING HERE. SO ON THE. THIS IS NOT THE APPLICATION WE ARE CURRENTLY REVIEWING. THIS IS THE OTHER ONE. THIS IS WHERE THE COLUMNS ARE SHOWN ON THAT ONE WHICH DOES MEET THE SPACING REQUIREMENT. THEY HAVE PROPOSED A DIFFERENT COLUMN CONFIGURATION ON THIS ONE IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFERENCE WITHIN THE FIT. IT'S ALSO DECEIVING BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A BEAM SHOWN ON THERE SO THAT'S GONNA MAKE IT LOOK EVEN SQUAT HERE. SO THESE ARE THE COLUMNS ON THE FRONT PORCH APPROXIMATELY EIGHT FEET EIGHT INCHES APART AND SEVEN FEET EIGHT INCHES TALL AS CURRENTLY SHOWN THEY WILL BE SLIGHTLY UNDER SEVEN EIGHT IF THAT TOP BEAM IS ADDED THERE TO THE ELEVATION BECAUSE I TOOK IT ON THE SITUATION VERY LIKELY A DOUBLE COLUMN COULD BE PROPOSED AND POTENTIALLY I GUESS WE'LL RESOLVE THAT WITH THESE OTHER CHANGES ON THE PLANS.

>> AGAIN, WHAT WE THOUGHT HE HAD DONE IT SHOULD BE WHOEVER MAKES THE MOTION HAS TO MOVE

THE NEXT ITEM. >> IS THAT A TYPICAL WINDOW DETAIL SHOWING THE MOUNTAIN CONFIGURATION WOULD NEED TO BE PROVIDED FOR REVIEW AS WELL AS A WATER TABLE DETAIL FOR THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE WHICH IS THE NEXT ITEM. AND THE LAST ONE IS THAT THERE'S T 111 WHICH PLYWOOD MATERIAL LISTED IN THIS OFF IT. AND SO THAT MATERIAL WOULD NEED TO BE REVISED TO A PERMITTED MATERIAL WHICH COULD BE A PRESSURE TREATED WOOD OR A HARDY MATERIAL. SO THOSE ARE THE ITEMS THAT I HAVE FOR THIS APPLICATION.

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I COMBINED THE LAST THREE BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL FAIRLY DETAIL ORIENTED IN GOING BACK

TO THIS. >> LOOKS LIKE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO ASK FOR THE BOARD COMMISSION COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AFTER THAT AND THEN WE DO FOLKS THAT ARE GONNA BE SPEAKING FOR THREE MINUTES.

RIGHT. THAT IS THE ORDER OF OPERATIONS.

YES. AND WE HAVE THREE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT THEREFORE THAN I

JUST GET. >> I THINK. I THINK THERE ARE THREE FREE TO

APPLY HERE. >> KAREN HEARST AND DON HEARST, IS THAT CORRECT?

YES. >> SO THEREFORE RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS FOR THE BOARD. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS ON THE BOARD AND IF NOT IT DOES

STEP TO THE PODIUM. >> YOUR NAME? >> PRESS AND LIMITING IT TO THREE MINUTES PLEASE. THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO WORK ON COMPUTERS HERE.

>> I'M DON HURST, FIVE HEAD OF THE TIDE. MY PROPERTY BORDERS THE NEW PROPERTY. I'M NOT ACROSS. I'M ACROSS THE FENCE FROM I WAS GLAD TO HEAR THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE TREES. WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT THE SAVING AS MANY OF THOSE AS POSSIBLE THERE THERE'S SOME WONDERFUL OLD OAKS THAT ARE THERE IF YOU CAN SAVE AS MANY AS POSSIBLE.

REALLY? I KNOW MOST OF THEM ARE WATER OAKS AND THOSE AREN'T AS DESIRABLE AS MAYBE A LOT OF OAK OR SOME OF THE OTHER TYPES BUT THEY'RE STILL DO FLOAT

POSSIBLE. >> WE'VE GOT A LOT IN OUR YARD. WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT REMAIN AS A CONCERN WAS IN TRYING TO READ THROUGH THE PUBLIC NOTICE THAT WE GOT.

AND THROUGH THE IN NETS AND THE RESTRICTIONS THINGS ON THE WEB SITE I MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE GOTTEN SOME THINGS CORRECT. BUT IF IF YOU WOULD BEAR WITH ME I THINK THAT THIS IS CONSIDERED A VILLAGE HOUSE. IS THAT RIGHT? AND WE NEED TO BE LOOKING FOR HAS BEEN REDUCED TO BE LESS THAN 70 PERCENT OF BOTH. IF IF IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THE FIRST FLOOR FOOTPRINT CAN ONLY BE ELEVEN HUNDRED SQUARE FEET THAT WOULD BE LESS SLOTS IN THE KITCHEN. THEY COULD DOUBLE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED TO AND THEY WHAT

DOES IT LOOK AT THE OTHER CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE? >> AND THE OTHER OWNER OF THE OF THE HOME WHICH IS ADJACENT TO THE THIRTY MERRIWEATHER IS OWNED.

AND OUR CONCERNS ARE OBVIOUSLY THE SIZE OF THE HOMES AND CLOSENESS TO THE FENCE LINES THAT WE HAVE AND AND TWO STORY HOMES AND YOU'RE LOOKING RIGHT INTO OUR BACKYARD.

THE PRIVACY IS A CONCERN AS THE HOME IS BLACK TO ADDRESS THAT. THANK YOU.

GOOD GOOD TIMING. GOOD TIMING. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. >> LET'S SEE WE HAVE KAREN IF YOU CAN STEP IN YOUR FULL NAME

ADDRESS. >> MY NAME IS KATHERINE HARRIS. I LIVE AT 5 HEADED THE TIDE.

I NEED SOME CLARIFICATION. FOR THAT AND I'M NO, I'M NOT GETTING THE NUMBERS RIGHT.

30 IS ON THIS SIDE AND 35 IS ON THIS SIDE. IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY WITH THE OK 35. WHERE IS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE FACING?

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>> WE HAVE ARGUED THAT WHEN YOU ADD SO WE WON'T. >> THAT'S MY QUESTION ON 35 AND I'M WHEN YOU HAD ONE SHOWING SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A BREAK.

>> WE'RE DOING THAT IF WE COULD BRING YOU BACK UP THEN. AFTER WE REVIEW 35 OF THAT 30 WHICH IS THE ONE THAT WE HAVE TAKEN A LOOK AT HERE AND AGAIN I APOLOGIZE THAT I'M HAVING SO MANY CHALLENGES WITH MY POWERPOINT HERE TONIGHT 30 IS AND I'LL SLIP THROUGH IT REALLY

QUICKLY ON THE WAY THERE. >> THE FRONT WITH THE HIP ROOF FACING THAT CUL DE SAC CLOSER TO ME RIVER ROAD THEN TO THE RIVER. THIS IS THE RIGHT ELEVATION WHICH FACES THE BLUE HOUSE THAT IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

THE REAR ELEVATION WHICH FACES TOWARDS BOARDS MAY RIVER ROAD THE GREEN FENCE.

>> YES. TOWARDS TOWARDS THE RIVER ROAD THOUGH THE LEFT ELEVATION

BACKWARDS HERE FOR WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? >> NO, I MEAN IT SEEMS LIKE WE REVIEWED THIS OKATIE. I'M JUST MAKING SURE YOU'RE IN A FERRY AIRLINES RIGHT HERE MY THE LEFT ELEVATION FACES THE LIFT STATION AND THE SIDE WITH THE STAIR SPACE AS THE HOUSE IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. SO THAT'S FOR CLARIFICATION ON WHICH DIRECTION THAT FACES HERE

AND THEN WHERE WE DISCUSSED ALL STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. >> CORRECT.

FINAL STAFF REMARKS OR IMPORTANT REMARKS YESTERDAY BE NOTED PLEASE TO THE TREE REMOVAL REQUEST LOGBOOKS THAT I BELIEVE OR LIVE OAKS THAT ARE HEALTHY ON THAT REAR PROPERTY

LINE OR JUST FOLLOW RIVER WHEREVER THEY ARE. >> I THINK WE NEED TO.

I AGREE. BUT WAY AS KEVIN SAID IS I GUESS I'M I'M DEPENDING ON THE COUNTY BLUFFTON BEING A TREE FRIENDLY COMMUNITY IN THAT AND WE'RE JUST DONE THAT NILLY ALLOWING DOCTORS TO COME IN THERE WITH THEIR CHAINSAW AND BRING THE THING UP.

>> THAT'S AS I AGREE THERE IS SOME BEAUTIFUL TREES IN THERE AND THERE'S ALSO SOME

INTERESTING POEMS IN THERE. >> YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S CURIOUS BECAUSE SOME OF THE POEMS ARE QUITE NICE AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE A SHAME TO DESTROY THOSE IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO.

>> THEY'RE OLD. SOME OF THOSE CAN TAKE A LONG TIME TO GROW.

>> THERE'S SOME OLD POEM, YOU KNOW. SO I THINK THOSE I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOME TYPE OF A BUG. KEVIN I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE YOU ALSO COULD INCLUDE BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME LOVELY OLD POEMS IN THERE AT THE TIME BUT IN A DIFFERENT

LIGHT PERHAPS. >> SO THERE'S SOME THAT THERE'S LITTLE TREES ON THIS LINE.

WELL NOT THAT PALM TREES ARE NECESSARILY THE PALM TREES BUT THE PALM FIRMS OR WHATEVER THEY CALL IT. I MEAN YOU KNOW ANYWAY THERE'S SOME VEGETATION BUT SOME POEMS

JUST MADE A POEM. >> THEY NEEDED A POEM VEGETATION THAT'S QUITE NICE ANYWAY. THAT'S JUST A SIDE NOTE AND I THINK OK, WITH THAT SAID, IS THERE SOMEONE THAT'S ABLE TO MAKE A MOTION WITH THE CHANGES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AND THEN

INCLUDING AS A OKATIE IS SO NICE TO PUT IT IN RED. >> BUT THEN IF YOU MAKE THE MOTION MAKE SURE THAT YOU STATE IF IT COULD BE PROVED BY STAFF WHERE IT HAS TO COME BACK TO HP

RC OR IT HAS COME BACK TO HPC, THE CHANGES I'LL DO IT. >> THANK YOU.

>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS THE APPLICATION LET'S SAY I'M OUT OF PRACTICE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT A TRIVIAL REMOVAL PERMIT IS REQUIRED THAT ADDITIONAL

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ARCHITECTURAL CHANGES SHOULD BE MADE MORE REPRESENT DIVERSITY OF ARCHITECTURE SPECIFICALLY PROBABLY THAT GABLE TREATMENT ON EITHER HOUSE ESSENTIALLY ONE OF OUR HOUSES HAS TO BE DIFFERENT TO PROVIDE A REVISED LANDSCAPE PLAN WITH UPDATED CANOPY COVERAGE TO ADDRESS THE GEOMETRY OF THE WINDOWS ON WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BUILDING PROVIDE MORE DIVERSE GEOMETRY IN THERE, GET SOME MORE THAT ARE TALLER TO ADD A HORIZONTAL MOUNTAIN TO THE WINDOWS ON THE CARRIAGE HOUSE THAT ONLY HAVE A VERTICAL MOUNTAIN TO HAVE AND THAT WE HAVE DETERMINED THAT THE FRONT BUILD TO LINE CAN BE MOVED BACK IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEEDS OF PROTECTING THE TREES AND RECONFIGURE THE COLUMNS TO BE SPACED NO FARTHER APART THAN THEY ARE TALL WHETHER THAT'S DOUBLE COLUMNS OR GO BACK TO THE ORIGINALS UP TO YOU AND THEN AS WRITTEN WITH THE ADDITION OF A OF TREE REMOVAL OF THE REAR OF THE LOT SPECIFY QUICKLY THE OAKS AT THE REAR OF THE LOT BE CONSIDERED AT THE TIME OF TREE REMOVAL PERMIT

REVIEW SAVE AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE MISS ANYTHING? >> OH YEAH.

AS AS WRITTEN THE 2011 PLYWOOD YEAH I I I SKIPPED OVER THAT JUST SAID EXCEPT WRITTEN 9 10 11 TYPICAL WINDOW D WE NEED IT A TYPICAL WINDOW DETAIL WE NEED A WATER TABLE DETAIL AND REPLACE THE T 111 PLYWOOD SOFT MATERIAL WITH A PERMITTED MATERIAL PER IDEAL CHAIRMAN IF I MAY JUST REPEAT THE MOTION AS I UNDERSTOOD IT TO MAKE SURE MY RECORD IS CORRECT.

>> THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU. ELAINE HAS MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITION 1 PER STAFF AS WRITTEN TO 2 PROVIDE ADDITIONAL CHANGES SPECIFICALLY IN THE GABLE AND REMOVING THE BORDEN BATON 2 ON ONE OF THE 2 STRUCTURES 3 TO ADDRESS THE GEOMETRY OF THE WINDOWS ON THE LEFT ELEVATION.

>> 4 TO ALLOW THE DEVIATION FROM THE FRONT BUILD TO LINE IN ORDER TO SAVE THE TREES TO REVISE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN TO PER STAFF 6 AND 7 AS WRITTEN 8 TO RECONFIGURE THE COLUMNS WHETHER IT BE TO THE ORIGINAL OR TO A DOUBLE 9 THROUGH ELEVEN.

>> AS WRITTEN BY STAFF AND THEN 12 TO SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THE TREES DURING THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT PROCESS TO SAVE AS MUCH NATURAL VEGETATION AND TREES AS POSSIBLE.

>> S O PLUS THE HEIGHT OF THE FRONT DOOR. >> HATCH THE HEAD OR HEIGHT

OF THE WINDOWS. >> THAT WAS MR. CHAIRMAN. >> SURELY MORE ALERT A MOTION AT THAT WAS A MIX WHEN IT'S BEGUN TO OF . DID YOU NOTICE THAT IN THE

MOTION? >> MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE'S. I'VE CAPTURED THIRTEEN ITEMS IN THE MOTION NEEDS TO BE A SECOND BEFORE ANY DISCUSSION CAN HAPPEN.

>> I REALIZE THAT BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LAST ITEM WAS CAPTURED IN THE

MOTION. >> THE DOOR HEIGHT IS CAPTURED AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL.

EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. NOW I'M LOOKING FOR A SECOND

SECOND. >> AND NOW I'M LOOKING FOR ANY DISCUSSIONS.

MOTION ON THE MOTION. THEREFORE I'M GOING TO LOOK FOR A VOTE ON THE MOTION.

>> ALL IN FAVOR. I. I ANY OPPOSED?

>> NO. THE MOTION PASSES AS STATED. >> VERY GOOD.

[IX. 4. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by BFL Builders, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness to allow the construction of a new 1.5-story single-family building of approximately 2,113 SF and a Carriage House of approximately 704 SF located at 35 Meriwether Court, identified as Lot 5 in the Landen Oaks Development, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood General-HD. (COFA-06-21-015419) (Staff- Katie Peterson)]

NOW WE HAVE ONE MORE ITEM AND IT'S A SOMEWHAT SIMILAR EXCEPT TO CHANGE IN ELEVATION AND

SETBACKS. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT WOULD BE THE THIRTY FIVE MERRIWEATHER

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GET 55 SO WE DID 30 SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING THIRTY FIVE.

>> YES. WE'RE TAKING A BRIEF PAUSE ONLY SO THAT WE DON'T MISS ANY

INFORMATION IF THAT'S OK. >> THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. I'M GONNA DO THE SAME.

I'M SORRY WE'RE GONNA HAVE ONLY THREE. HOW DO YOU DO IT.

BREAK. CAN WE DO A BREAK? >> COURSE I CAN MAKE A FIVE

MINUTE MOTION TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS. >> EMOTION MAKE A FIVE MINUTE

BREAK. >> THE MOTION TO MAKE FIVE MINUTE BREAKS AND TWO.

OKAY. >> I THINK RIGHT. >>

DON'T WORRY WOULD HELP ME. >> HELP ME. GOOD LUCK.