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          >> WEDNESDAY JULY THE TWENTY EIGHTH PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER. 
          [I. CALL TO ORDER]
BEFORE WE DO OUR ROLL CALL I WANTED TO INTRODUCE OUR NEW PLANNING COMMISSION FIRST JASON STEWART AND RICH DELACORTE. SO THANK YOU FOR JOINING SO DARBY, IF YOU WILL. 
          [II. ROLL CALL]
THE ROLL CALL WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME PLEASE STATE HERE OR PRESENT FOR THE RECORD. 
          >> KATHLEEN DUNCAN PRESENT. RICH DELL COURT PRESENT. MATTHEW YOST JASON STUART HERE. 
          CHARLIE WETMORE HERE. BACK IN A MOMENT HERE. RONALD WILLIAMS YEAH. 
          >> SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA. >> BUT I DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE 
          [III. ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA]
          AN AMENDMENT. KEVIN YES MA'AM. >> WE NEGLECTED TO PUT ON ELECTION OF THE VISE CHAIR WITH MRNG. WE DO NEED TO FILL THAT VOID I MIGHT ASK. THAT IS AS YOU ADOPT THE AGENDA THAT YOU HAD IN ADDITION FOR ELECTION OFFICERS AFTER THE ADOPTION OF MINUTES. AND THEN AT THAT POINT WE CAN DO THE ELECTION AGENDA AS I MOVE WE ADOPT THE AGENDA WITH THE AMENDMENT OF ADDING AN ITEM 
          FOR B TO NOMINATE AND ELECT A VISE CHAIR. >> OKAY, WAIT A MINUTE. 
          ONE 1 CLARIFICATION SHOULD WE ASKED MOUNT NOW? >> GO AHEAD. 
          I'M SORRY. NO THANK YOU. >> OH I'M THERE. 
          HI. SO THEN CAN WE GET AN ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES FROM JUNE 23? 
          [IV. ADOPTION OF MINUTES]
          >> OKAY. I CAN EVEN THOUGH HE'S NOT YOU KNOW, IT WOULD NEED TO BE 
          SOMEONE THAT WAS AT THE MEETING SIX. >> THERE YOU GO. 
          RON, SECONDS. >> I'LL HAVE FAVORITE QUESTION FOR A QUICK. 
          I'M SORRY. DISCUSSION ON THE MINUTES, CORRECT? YES. OK. ON PAGE 4 UNDER THE 3 ITEM THREE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE AT ITS I MADE THE MOTION I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT I HAD REQUESTED CLARIFICATION TO SIGN FACE AREA S WORD IT JUST SAID I APPROVED 
          IT AND IT DIDN'T MAKE THOSE. >> WE DID UPDATE THAT IN THE THE PROJECT AS A MEANS FOR THE TOWN COUNCIL SO WE'LL MAKE SURE WE GOT THE CLARIFICATION ON THEIR BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THE MINUTES REFLECT THAT I HAVE A DISCUSSION ITEM THAT HAD TO UNDER APARTMENTS I RECUSED MYSELF FOR THAT PROJECT AND I'M UNDER THERE VOTING YES AND A THING FOR PARTIAL SEVEN DAY KATHLEEN ALSO RECUSED HERSELF AND SHE'S ALSO ON THERE AS A VOTER YOU MISSED I'M SORRY, MATT, WHAT WAS THE WATCH ITEM OR DID YOU DID YOU RECUSE YOURSELF OR I RECUSE MYSELF FOR 
          ITEM ONE THE L APARTMENTS. >> YEAH. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. CORRECTIONS DURANT ON PAPER I HAVE TO SIGN MY I THINGS 
          HAPPENING OUT THERE. >> OKAY NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE ELECTION OF THE OFFICER VISE CHAIR. DO I HAVE ANY NOMINATIONS? OUR NOMINEE I'LL MAKE A 
          NOMINATION FOR CHARLIE WHITMORE . >> I CAN PASSION ON ANYTHING. 
          >> MATT EVER I THOUGHT EVERYONE LOOK RELIEVED. CONGRATULATE THE VISE CHAIR. 
          >> OKAY NOW. NOW THE OTHER POINT COMES UP BECAUSE I WAS THE AT LARGE ON 
          THE DRC. WE NEED TO FILL THAT NOW. >> WE NEED AT LARGE OR IS THAT 
          WAS THAT VIOLENT? >> YES, WE DO. I'M SORRY THAT I VOLUNTEERED 
          THING BEFORE. >> OR WAS THAT A WHOMEVER WANTS TO I THINK I TRULY THINK IN TALKING TO A COUPLE OF PEOPLE THAT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE LIKE THE LIKE A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT LIKE KATHLEEN OR MATT OR SOMEBODY LIKE YOU COULD TAKE IT IF YOU WOULD. 
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          >> SO THEN WE NEED A SECOND ON THE NOMINATION FOR KATHLEEN. >> ALL THOSE END OF DISCUSSION 
          FAVOR. >> OK, NOW WE GET PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE COMMENTS PERTAINING TO AN AGENDA ITEM BEFORE THE BOARD THIS EVENING YOU WILL HAVE THE 
          OPPORTUNITY COMMENT BEFORE THE BOARD VOTES ON THE ITEM. >> YOU'RE WELCOME TO HOLD YOUR COMMENTS UNTIL THEN OR VOICE YOUR COMMENT AT THIS TIME OF ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS OF ANY OLD BUSINESS ON TO NEW BUSINESS OR NO ONE WIN WAS WIN RUSH LATE REQUESTS BY ANDREW JACOBS 
          [VII.1. 101 Windrush Lane (Certificate of Appropriateness-HCO): A request by Andrew Jacobs of Miller Electric Company, on behalf of the Owner, Bank of America, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness - Highway Corridor Overlay. The project consists of improvements to the exterior lighting for the site. The property is zoned General Mixed Use and identified by tax map number R610 031 000 0722 0000, located to the southeast of the Baylor Drive and US Highway 278/Fording Island Road intersection. (COFA-06-21-015520) (Staff- Katie Peterson)]
OF THE MILLER ELECTRIC COMPANY ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER BANK OF AMERICA FOR APPROVAL OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HCR D THE PROJECT CONSISTENT IMPROVEMENTS TO THE EXTERIOR 
          LIGHTING FOR THE SITE. >> THE PROPERTY IS OWNED GENERAL MIXED USE AND IDENTIFIED BY THE TAX MAP NUMBER IN YOUR POCKET LOCATED TO THE SOUTHEAST OF BAYLOR 
          DRIVE AND U.S. HIGHWAY 278 FORTY ISLAND ROAD K I THINK. >> WE CAN. 
          MY SUGGESTION IS WE CAN WAIT AND WAIT. NOW THE AGENT SHOWS YEAH. 
          >> DO I NEED TO VOTE TO MOVE IT DOWN ON THAT? YES WE WOULD MOST MOTION TO 
          MOVE. >> AGENDA ITEM 1. LET'S SAY AFTER AGENDA ITEM 3 NEW BUSINESS. I MEAN NUMBER THREE. OK, SO MOVED ANY DISCUSSION? 
          OH. >> GET INTO TO NUMBER TWO SIX HOURLY WAY. 
          [VII.2. 6 Arley Way (Preliminary Development Plan): A request by Ceagull Investments, LLC for the approval of a Preliminary Development Plan. The project consists of the construction of a 13,736 square foot medical office building and associated infrastructure in Westbury Park. The property is zoned General Mixed Use and consists of 2 acres identified by tax map number R610 031 000 0217 0000. (DP-05-21-015352) (Staff – Will Howard)]
PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN A REQUEST BY SINGLE INVESTMENTS FOR THE APPROVAL OF OUR PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THE PROJECT CONSISTS OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF A THIRTEEN THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED THIRTY SIX SQUARE FOOT MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING AN ASSOCIATED INFRASTRUCTURE IN WESTBURY PARK. THE PROPERTY IS ZONED GENOMICS 
          USE AND CONSISTS OF TWO ACRES. >> THANK YOU. I HAD TO RECUSE MYSELF IN THIS 
          RECUSING HERSELF. >> SO AS AMANDA SAID THIS IS FOR PULMONARY DEVELOPMENT PLANNED FOR PROPERTY AT SIX ALREADY AWAY WHEN I SHOW YOU THIS SITE. 
          BOTH OF YOU WILL BE FAMILIAR. ALL BUT TWO OF YOU SHOULD BE FAMILIAR WITH THIS BECAUSE YOU ACTUALLY APPROVED THIS PLAN OR YOU APPROVED A PLAN FOR THIS PARCEL IN JANUARY SINCE JANUARY THEY'VE ACTUALLY HAD A CHANGE OF USE WHICH REQUIRED A DIFFERENT FOOTPRINT FOR THE BUILDING AND THE SITE LAYOUT FOR PARKING. AND IT CHANGED ENOUGH THAT WE FELT THEY NEEDED TO SUBMIT A NEW PLAN AND BRING IT BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. SO JUST TO RE FAMILIARIZE YOU. THIS IS THE PROJECT SITE HERE IN OFF OF ARLIE WAY. THIS IS THE WESTBURY PARK DEVELOPMENT AND IT BACKS UP TO AND IT'S PART OF AN EXISTING PARCEL ALTHOUGH UNDEVELOPED NOW AS PART OF THE EXISTING ASBURY PARK COMMERCIAL AREA THAT WAS PLANNED AND BEGAN CONSTRUCTION UNDER B FOR COUNTY PURVIEW AND 
          THEN WAS LATER ANNEXED INTO THE TOWN OF BOSTON. >> SO HERE IS THE SITE PLAN FOR THE LOT. THIS IS FOR AN AMBULATORY SURGERY CENTER. 
          SO THEY'VE PROVIDED A LET'S ACCESS DROP OFF LANE IF YOU WILL, UP TOP HERE. 
          PARKING IN THE REAR AND THEY'RE STILL MAINTAINING THERE'S STILL A VERY HEAVILY VEGETATED BERM THAT SEPARATES THE PROPERTY FROM THE WESTBURY PARK RESIDENTIAL USE BUT ALSO THE 
          LANDSCAPE PLAN. >> THIS IS CONCEPTUAL BUT ALTHOUGH IT IS PRETTY DETAILED THEY DID PROVIDE A PLANT SCHEDULED ALTHOUGH WE HAVE NOT TECHNICALLY REVIEWING THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. AT THE PRELIMINARY STAGE OF THE PROCESS WE LIKE TO PROVIDE IT FOR YOU TO SHOW THAT THEY ARE HAVE EVERY INTENT AND ONGOING TO MEET THE LANDSCAPE REQUIRED OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE. THIS DOES FALL UNDER THE 
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UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT AUDIT SOME SORRY IS THIS IS JOAN GENERAL MIXED USE THEY HAVE BITING SOME ADJACENT USE BUFFERING IF YOU WILL UP TOP. I BELIEVE THESE IF MEMORY SERVES OR EVEN HOLLY'S AND SOME BURNHAM I NEVER NOTICED THEM BACK HERE. 
          SAME THING ON THE OTHER SIDE. LIVE OAKS IN THE PARKING LOT IN FOUNDATION PLANNING'S ALL 
          AROUND. >> ALREADY COVERED WHERE THIS LIES AGAIN WE ORIGINALLY THE 
          DAY HERE FROM DECEMBER 9TH. >> THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL I'M SORRY. 
          ORIGINAL DRC REVIEW BUT WE ACTUALLY JUST PROVIDED COMMENTS FOR THIS BACK IN THE FIRST FIRST OF JULY FIRST WEEK OF JULY AND THE DRC APPROVE THE PLAN WITHOUT COMMENT. 
          >> AS YOU'RE FAMILIAR, THERE ARE SIX SEPARATE CRITERIA FOR WHICH YOU WOULD REVIEW AND 
          APPROVE THE PLAN. >> I CAN GO THROUGH EACH INDIVIDUALLY IF NEEDED. 
          THEY WERE ALL INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET YOUR ACTION TONIGHT YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION AS IT WAS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT PROVE PROVE IT WITH CONDITIONS YOU COULD TABLE THE APPLICATION AND REQUEST FOR INFORMATION OR DENY THE APPLICATION AS IT WAS 
          SUBMITTED. >> HALF RECOMMENDS THE PRELIMINARY APPLICATION BE 
          APPROVED AS SUBMITTED. >> I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. WE ALSO HAVE THE PROPERTY OWNER 
          AND ENGINEER RECORD OR HERE AS IF YOU HAD ANY ANYTHING. >> YOU GUYS LIKE TO SAY EARNING 
          THE PROJECT PRETTY. >> I JUST HAVE ONE AND I'M SURE IT'S FOREGONE BUT I WANT TO ASK 
          IT ANYWAYS. >> ACCESS FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES THAT ARE ALREADY 
          DEVELOPED THAT IS THERE'S NO PROBLEMS WITH THAT. >> IT'S ALREADY IN PLACE. 
          THIS SLIDE ACTUALLY DOES IT SLOW IT SHOW IT. BUT IF I GO BACK TO THE SATELLITE YOU CAN SEE ACTUALLY THIS PARKING THAT ABUTS IT HAS ALREADY BEEN CONSTRUCTED. 
          >> THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO PULL THEIR DRIVEWAY FROM HERE. THERE'S ALREADY A CURB CUT FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OVER HERE THAT I THINK OFFICE OVER HERE. PATIENT PROPERTY? YEAH. SO THE APPLICANT OWNER ACTUALLY OWNS THE ADJACENT PROPERTY AS WELL. SO ALL THE ACCESS TO ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALL IN PLACE 
          AND NO NEGATIVE FEEDBACK FROM ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS. >> I MEAN OBVIOUSLY HE WOULDN'T GET TO HIMSELF BUT I'M TALKING LIKE WHEN WESTBROOK PARK. NO NO AND AGAIN LIKE YOU SAID, THIS WAS ACTUALLY A PRELIMINARY PLAN FOR A 12000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING IN PARKING WAS ACTUALLY ALREADY APPROVED IN JANUARY. IT'S JUST THAT SINCE THEY HAD TO KIND OF ROTATE THEIR BUILDING AND RECONFIGURE THEIR PARKING, IT WAS ENOUGH OF A 
          CHANGE THAT IT REQUIRED A NEW PLAN. >> WASN'T SERVICE HERE IN THE 
          BACK ORIGINALLY AND NOW IT'S NOT. >> YEAH, THERE WAS. 
          IT WAS KIND OF LIKE A LAY DOWN YARD. MAYBE SOME FLEET PARKING AT 
          FLEET VEHICLES IF I REMEMBER ENDING UP. >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION. 
          I KNOW IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE SHOULD HONOR OR WE CAN USE AS PART OF OUR BUT BUT YOU SAID IT WAS A NOW AMBULATORY LIKE. WHAT KIND OF AMBULATORY SURGERY CENTER? SO IT WOULDN'T HAVE LIKE YOU SAID FOR AMBULANCES DROP OFF BUT IT WOULDN'T BE LIKE SIRENS OR ANYTHING. IT'S JUST TRANSPORT LIKE A TRANSPORT GO STRAIGHT TO THAT. 
          I'M JUST THINKING OF WESTBURY PARK IN THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENTIAL. 
          I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. JOE FRASER SEAGULL INVESTMENTS. HE'S ACTUALLY A OF INTO ALLERGY CLINIC AND THE TOWARD SURGERY CENTER. BUT THIS IS BASICALLY OUTPATIENT SURGERY SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE AMULETS AND SIRENS AND THINGS LIKE THAT COMING. I JUST WANT THAT ON THE RECORD TO MAKE SURE. 
          ONE OTHER CLARIFICATION JUST ON ACCESS. THIS PARCEL WILL ALSO HAVE AN INGRESS, EGRESS AND DRAINAGE EASEMENT ACROSS THE DRIVE COMING IN FROM THE OTHER SIDE SO IT'LL BE ACCESS LEGAL ACCESS FROM BOTH SIDES. THANK YOU. 
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          >> EMOTIONAL. >> AS A FAVOR I OPPOSE. RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. WAITING TO MOVE ON TO 6 EARLY WAY FOR A PRELIMINARY 
          DEVELOPMENT PLAN. >> THAT WAS ALL IN CAROLINA NEXT. 
          [VII.3. Old Carolina PUD Comprehensive Plan Amendment (PLANNING WORKSHOP): The Applicant is requesting approval of an Amendment to Town of Bluffton Comprehensive Plan to amend the Future Land Use Map for the subject parcel to change the future land use from “Medium Density Residential” to “High Density Residential”. The +/- 15.52 parcel is identified by Beaufort County Tax Map Number R610 031 000 0003 0000 and is located on the southwest corner of the intersection of Buck Island Road and Bluffton Parkway. (ZONE-12-20-014851) (Staff – Kevin Icard)]
          >> OH. CAROLINA PD COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF AN AMENDMENT TO THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON CONFERENCE PLAN TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR THE SUBJECT PERSONAL CHANGE OF FUTURE LAND USE FROM MEDIUM DENSITY TO HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL THE FIFTEEN POINT FIVE TWO PARCEL IS IDENTIFIED BY THE TEXT MAP NUMBER IN YOUR PACKET AND KEVIN WILL WHAT'S ALL ABOUT IT? 
          >> KATHLEEN DO YOU NEED TO RECUSE? >> I NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF. 
          THANK YOU. DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT FROM UP HERE. 
          >> YOU NEED TO COME OUT OKAY. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN. AS YOU STATED, THIS IS A 
          WORKSHOP SO THERE IS NO VOTE ON THIS ITEM. >> IT'S FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES . WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS KIND OF RUN THROUGH MY PRESENTATION VERY, VERY BRIEFLY AND THEN BRING THE APPLICANT UP AND THEN ALLOW FOR AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A DISCUSSION AND THEN WE CAN GO BACK THROUGH ANY OF THIS SPECIFIC SLIDES AND THEN IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANYTHING THEY'LL BE UP HERE TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THEM. 
          AND THEN FROM THERE WHICH DISCUSS THE NEXT STEPS. SO AS I STATED, THIS IS THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT JAY CUTLER ASSOCIATES ON BEHALF OF THE BAR BLUFFTON. 
          THIS IS FOR REQUESTING AN APPROVAL OF AN AMENDMENT TO THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ZONING MAP. SO THIS EVENING WE'RE FOCUSED ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE ZONING MAP. AND THEN I'LL GET INTO MORE DETAIL ON THE OTHER ITEMS THAT WE HAVE. AS YOU STATED AS THE FIVE FIFTEEN POINT FIVE TWO ACRES IT'S LOCATED THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF BUCK ISLAND ROAD AND BLUFFTON PARKWAY. SO SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THE DEVELOPMENT OF A MULTIFAMILY APARTMENT COMMUNITY CONSISTING OF ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY EIGHT RESIDENTIAL APARTMENTS, THE ASSOCIATED PARKING INFRASTRUCTURE AND AMENITIES CONSIST OF ONE, TWO, THREE BEDROOM APARTMENTS RANGING IN BETWEEN SEVEN HUNDRED AND FIFTY FOUR AND 14 16 SQUARE FEET SIZE APPROXIMATELY. THERE'S FIVE THREE STORY APARTMENT BUILDINGS WITH ANTICIPATED FINAL SITE DESIGN A LAYOUT WHICH IS YET TO BE COMPLETED. AND THEN FROM A PART OF THE APPLICATION PROCESS THERE IS A MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS AND THE DID RECEIVE COMMENTS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE AT THE JULY 7TH MEETING AND THOSE COMMENTS WERE PROVIDED TO YOU IN THE PACKET. JUST REAL QUICKLY, THIS IS A SCHEMATIC OF THE SITE PLAN AND I'VE GOT SOME AERIALS HERE TO ASSIST WITH YOU. BUCK ISLAND ROAD IS HERE. 
          BLUFFTON PARKWAY ARCHES AROUND THE SITE AND YOU CAN SEE THE VARIOUS BUILDINGS THERE. 
          TWO LARGER ONES HERE AND THEN THREE SMALLER THAN THE THIS IS AN IMAGE CONCEPTUAL IMAGE 
          OF THE MARSHALL PLAN. >> AGAIN, THIS IS GOING INTO THE OLD CAROLINA PD. 
          WHILE IT'S RATHER SMALL AND I'M TRYING TO ZOOM IN ON IT HERE AREA RIGHT HERE REPRESENTS WHERE THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO BE INCLUDED INTO THE OLD CAROLINA PD. 
          >> SO AS I STATED, THERE'S CONCURRENT APPLICATIONS WITH THIS REQUEST. 
          >> SO WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AND THAT'S TO AMEND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO CHANGE THAT THAT USE FROM MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. THERE'S ASSOCIATED ZONING MAP AMENDMENT SO THAT'S TO CHANGE THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP FROM THE RESIDENTIAL GENERAL WHICH IS REGULATED BY THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE TO THE OLD CAROLINA PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT. 
          THERE IS A PD TEXT AMENDMENT FOR THE OLD CAROLINE D DOCUMENT AND THAT'S TO AMEND THE SECTION THAT'S LISTED ON THE SCREEN OF WHAT WAS THE BLUFFTON ZONING ORDINANCES BUT IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PD DOCUMENTS SO BEAR WITH ME HERE. AND THAT'S TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS PER MULTIFAMILY BUILDING WHICH IS CURRENTLY ALLOWED AT 20 UNITS PER BUILDING TO EIGHTY SIX UNITS PER BUILDING THAT ALSO REQUEST TO AMEND THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FROM THE TWO PARKING SPACES PER TWO SPACES PER ONE AND TWO BEDROOM UNITS 
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AND THEN 2.5 SPACES FOR THREE BEDROOM UNITS TO ALLOW FOR A OVERALL ONE POINT NINE TWO SPACES PER UNIT REGARDLESS OF THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS. AND THEN THE MASTERPLAN AMENDMENT WHICH IS TO AMEND THE OLD CAROLINA BEAUTY MASTERPLAN TO INCLUDE THIS PARTIAL INTO THAT PD AS A NEW PLANNING TRACT. NOW A LITTLE ADDITIONAL BACKGROUND INFORMATION OLD CAROLINA DOES NOT HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ASSOCIATED WITH IT SIMILAR TO PALMETTO BLUFF THE BACKWATER TRACT JONES ESTATE ALL HAVE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS THAT HAVE THE ASSOCIATED DWELLING UNITS ACREAGE THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH IT. SO THIS IS A PD THAT DOES NOT HAVE THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF CREATING AND DEVELOPING AGREEMENT OR AMENDING IT. SO DURING THE DISCUSSION THIS EVENING AND AS YOU GO THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH THIS JUST CONSIDER THAT THERE ARE CRITERIA WHEN WHEN MOVING FORWARD ULTIMATELY THIS WILL COME TO A PUBLIC HEARING MOST LIKELY IN SEPTEMBER. THAT'S TWO MONTHS AWAY. GIVES US TIME TO DO THE PROPER NOTIFICATION. BUT SOME OF THESE AND JUST QUICKLY IS CONSISTENCY WITH THE INTENT OF THE OVERALL POLICIES OF THE COMP PLAN? CONSISTENCY, DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGES, THE ECONOMIC TRENDS. IT'S IF APPLICABLE THE ABILITY FOR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AND SERVICES APPROPRIATE AND EFFICIENT USE OF THE PUBLIC FUNDS FUTURE GROWTH DEVELOPMENT REDEVELOPMENT OF THE AREA ENHANCEMENT OF THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE TOWN. 
          >> CONSISTENCY WITH SOUTH CAROLINA PLANNING LAW IMPACTS A PROPOSED AMENDMENT ON THE PROVISIONS OF THE PUBLIC SERVICES AND THE APPLICATION COMPLY WITH APPLICABLE REQUIREMENTS OF THE APPLICATION MANUAL. SO THAT'S WHAT THE COMP PLAN 
          AMENDMENT FOR THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT. >> THESE ARE ALSO CRITERIA YOU SHOULD BE CONSIDERING WHEN YOU'RE REVIEWING THIS DOCUMENT WHICH IS THE CONSISTENCY WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR IF CONDITIONS HAVE CHANGED SINCE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS ADOPTED. CONSISTENCY WITH THE OVERALL INTENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CAPABILITY OF THE SITES FISCAL GEOLOGICAL HYDROLOGICAL, OTHER ENVIRONMENT FOR TREES FEATURES TO SUPPORT THE BROTHER AND INTENSITY OF USES COMPATIBILITY WITH ALL POTENTIAL USES ALLOWED IN THE PROPOSED ZONING DISTRICT WITH SURROUNDING USES CAPACITY OF PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AND SERVICES TO SUFFICIENTLY ACCOMMODATE THE USES THE PUBLIC NEED FOR THE POTENTIAL USES PERMITTED REQUESTED ZONING DISTRICT AND COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPLICABLE REQUIREMENTS THE APPLICATION MANUAL NO FOR MY LOCATION STANDPOINT I'VE HIGHLIGHTED THE PROPERTY HERE AND RED THAT'S AT THE CORNER BUCK ISLAND ROAD BLUFFTON PARKWAY ACROSS FROM EAGLES FIELD IN WHICH IT IS ADJACENT TO THE OLD CAROLINA PD LIST. 
          >> FROM AN AERIAL STANDPOINT YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY LOCATED HERE ALONG THE BLUFFTON PARKWAY FROM THE EPD MAP AGAIN YOU CAN SEE THAT THE PURPLE COLOR IS THE OLD CAROLINA PD 
          THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. >> YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS DESIGNATED AS THAT MEDIUM 
          DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. >> THEY'RE REQUESTING FOR IT TO GO TO A HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ZONING MAP AGAIN PROPERTY IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW SO THAT YELLOW WOULD TURN TO GREEN AS REPRESENTED WITH OLD CAROLINA. AND THEN WE'VE ALSO PROVIDED SOME SECTIONS FROM THE BACK ISLAND SIMMONS FILLED NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN WHICH TALKS ABOUT IN BLUFFTON LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IS DEFINED AS ONE UNIT PER THREE ACRES. 
          MEDIAN DENSITIES RANGE FROM ONE TO THREE UNITS PER ACRE WHICH CONSISTS OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. MULTIFAMILY HOMES MAY BE PERMITTED AS LONG AS THE OVERALL ALLOW DENSITY IS NOT EXCEEDED ACCORDING TO THE TOWN'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL USES OUR PROPOSAL FOR THE BUCKLE AND SIMMONS OF ALL NEIGHBORHOOD EXISTING MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AREAS WITHIN THE SIMMONS MILL NEIGHBORHOOD INCLUDE AREAS SUCH AS WELLSTON WHEN HE LIKES AND HIDDEN LAKES AND THEN ALSO WANTED TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION A SECTION THAT STATES AND YOU CAN SEE THAT WHEN THE BUCKLE ON SIMMONS WILL PLAN WAS INITIALLY CREATED THAT THIS PROPERTY WAS DISCUSSED AND HIGHLIGHTED IN THE PLAN WHICH SAYS THROUGHOUT THE PLANNING PROCESS BY COLIN SIMMONS HILL RESIDENTS CONTINUALLY VOICED CONCERNS OVER WHAT WAS REFRESHED REFERENCE AS THE BUCK ISLAND 
          SQUARE AND OLD CAROLINA PROJECTS. >> THEY HAD CONCERNS OF INCREASED TRAFFIC ON OUR ALREADY INADEQUATE ROADWAYS, INCREASES IN PROPERTY TAXES AND COULD BUILD INCOMPATIBILITY CITY WITH EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT IF FURTHER GOES ON TO 
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SAY IT'S VITAL THAT TOWN STAFF PLANNING COMMISSION AND TOWN COUNCIL CAREFULLY ASSESS THE IMPACT OF REZONING REQUESTS CAREFUL ASSESSMENT SHOULD HELP ENSURE COMPATIBILITY WITH EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD THUS HELPING TO FULFILL THE NEEDS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE BUCKHANNON SIMMONS WILL PLAN DUE TO THE PROXIMITY OF THE PREDOMINATELY LOW TO MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL USES PREVAILING ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES. 
          THESE PROPERTIES SHOULD REMAIN ZONING DESIGNATION OF GENERAL RESIDENTIAL AT THIS TIME. 
          >> SO THIS IS A COPY OF THE SCHEDULE WHICH IS HOPEFULLY HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT IN YOUR POCKET. WE'VE BEEN PUTTING THESE TOGETHER TO HELP PEOPLE TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND A PROCESS AND YOU KNOW WHERE WE'VE WHERE WE'VE COME FROM AND WHERE WE'RE GOING. SO YOU CAN SEE RIGHT NOW WHERE IT SAYS PLANNING COMMISSION WORKSHOP FOR JULY 28. TWO OF THE ITEMS ARE DARK AND THEN TWO OF THE ITEMS ARE LIGHTER. SO THE PD TEXT AMENDMENT IN THE MASTER PLAN IS NOT WHILE IT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY REVIEWING THOSE ITEMS AT THIS TIME. 
          BUT AGAIN, IT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT. SO YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONTEXT ALL OF THE APPLICATIONS. SO THIS EVENING IS GOING FOR DISCUSSION COMMENTS. IT IS ANTICIPATED THAT THIS WOULD COME BACK AS A PUBLIC HEARING IN FRONT OF YOU FOR ALL FOUR OF THE ITEMS AT THE SEPTEMBER MEETING WHICH THREE OF THEM DO REQUIRE THAT PUBLIC HEARING AND THE RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL AND THEN THE MASTER PLAN IS JUST THE RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL FROM THERE. IT'S ANTICIPATED IT WOULD GO TO TOWN COUNCIL FOR A FIRST READING IN NOVEMBER OF THE THREE ITEMS THAT ARE LISTED AND THEN A JANUARY 11TH FINAL READING FOR THE THREE ITEMS FOR AUDIENCES AND THEN THE APPROVAL OF THE MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT FOR THE MASTER PLAN AGAIN JUST TO KEEP A COPY OF THE STAFF 
          EARLY PRESENTATION EXCUSE ME THE SITE PLAN RIGHT HERE. >> I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER 
          QUESTIONS AND OPINIONS HERE. >> MR. NESTER, YOU WANT TO COME UP AND I'M HAPPY TO JUST KIND OF OPEN THE DIALOG AND THAT BACK ON MY FIREFIGHTERS SO WE CAN HELP. 
          >> YEAH, SURE. >> OK. >> I WANT TO SAY ANYTHING 
          BEFORE WE START YOUR NAME. >> MY NAME IS WALTER HESTER AND I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH VERN FORMAN LAW FIRM AND WE REPRESENT THE APPLICANT WITH ME TONIGHT. 
          MR. JEREMY MORSE AND GREAT BATTEN AND THEY'LL BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. I HAVE TO SAY THAT IT'S SO VERY NICE TO MEET YOU ALL IN PERSON. 
          I'VE BEEN THAT BIG FACE ON THE VIDEO SCREEN FOR A LOT OF THESE THIS YEAR AND A HALF INCLUDING DERBY. IT'S SO NICE TO ACTUALLY SEE DARBY BECAUSE DERBY HAS BEEN IN CONTROL OF MY LIFE. THE ZOOM FOR THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF LETTING ME IN. 
          KICKING ME OUT AND BACK AND FORTH. SO IT'S VERY NICE TO BE HERE AND WE VERY, VERY MUCH APPRECIATE BACK IN OPEN SESSION AND I APPRECIATE MR. A CARDS PRESENTATION. YOU SHOULD HAVE HEARD MR. HOWARD'S ERIC YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT OUR APPLICATION AND IN THE ANALYSIS OF IT WHEN WE WERE IN FRONT OF THE DRC THIS THIS PROCESS IS IS COMPLICATED. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD ASK THAT YOU THINK ABOUT IS HOUSING. RIGHT. SO WHAT HAVE WE BEEN READING ABOUT? WHAT HAVE WE BEEN HEARING ABOUT YOU AS A PLANNING PLANNING COMMISSIONERS CITIZENS, THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON? WHAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT IS HOUSING AND HOUSING HOUSING AND WHERE DOES THE HOUSING GO? EVERYBODY WANTS HOUSING AND EVERYBODY WANTS HER TO BE HOUSING AFFORDABLE HOUSING. BUT WE NEED A PLACE TO PUT AND I RECOGNIZED BUCK ISLAND SIMMONS OF A ROAD PLAN. WE HAVE CERTAINLY WE'VE REVIEWED THAT AND CERTAINLY WE UNDERSTAND WHAT IT SAYS. WE ALSO UNDERSTAND WHEN IT WAS APPROVED, WHEN IT WAS PASSED. WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS AREA OF THE TOWN WE THINK OF WHAT IS IT GOING TO BE? THE RESIDENTS CERTAINLY DIDN'T WANT A SHOPPING CENTER AND THEY DIDN'T GET A SHOPPING CENTER. BUT IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SO IT'S GOT TO BE MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. HOW DO YOU MAKE A MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL? ALL THE TOOLS RIGHT IN FRONT OF US. 
          IT'S ALL CAROLINA PLAYING, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT AND BRINGING THE OLD CAROLINA PLAY NEW TO DEVELOPMENT, EXPANDING IT GIVES PROVIDES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR WE BELIEVE EQUALITY, HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AND WE BELIEVE THAT THAT KIND OF HOUSING IS REALLY NEEDED IN THE TOWN AND YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE TO GO TOO FAR AWAY FROM NOW AND PACK IT TO SEE ARTICLES ABOUT HOW THE HOUSING THAT WE'RE FACING AS AN EMPLOYER IN THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON AND IN BEAUFORT COUNTY. I CAN'T GET PEOPLE TO WORK FOR ME BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE. THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE IN THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON ANYMORE. 
          THEY CERTAINLY CAN'T LIVE AFFORD TO LIVE IN IN IN HILTON HEAD. 
          IF YOU CAN FIND A PLACE THAT'S FOR SALE OR FOR RENT. SO HOUSING IS IT A DESPERATE SITUATION? AS AN EMPLOYER I SAY YES, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THAT YOU ALL TO THE EXTENT THAT YOUR BUSINESS OWNERS OR YOU'RE IN BUSINESS THAT THERE IS A THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR HOUSING. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. 
          AND WE WELCOME YOUR COMMENTS AND WE WANT YOU TO TALK ABOUT THIS. 
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WE RECOGNIZE SOME OF SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT KEVIN OXMAN, MR. ICAHN, MR HOWARD POINTED OUT TO US AND WE WELCOME YOUR COMMENTS. JEREMY MADAM CHAIR, MY NAME IS 
          JEREMY MOSS, THE VISE PRESIDENT DEVELOPMENT FOR BONAVENTURE. >> WE ARE EXCITED TO BE HERE AS WELL AS MR. NESTOR DESCRIBED. THIS IS OUR FIRST PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IN BLUFFTON OR THE AREA WE ARE BASED IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA. AND I SAY THAT NOT NECESSARILY TO SCARE YOU THAT WE'RE COMING IN FROM OUT OF TOWN BUT AS A PLACE WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO COME AND DO BUSINESS AND DO BUSINESS FOR A LONGTIME BONAVENTURE IS A FULL SERVICE REAL ESTATE FIRM. YOU DON'T KNOW YET. HOPEFULLY YOU WILL SOON. 
          WE DO ALL OF OUR OWN SITE NEGOTIATION, ALL OF OUR OWN DESIGN. 
          WE DO OUR OWN CONSTRUCTION. WE DO OUR OWN PROPERTY MANAGEMENT. 
          AND I SAY THAT TO DESCRIBE US AS A LONG TERM HOLD COMPANY, ONE THAT INTENDS TO BUILD AN APARTMENT LIKE THIS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE AND TO PARTNER WITH THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON AND TO BE HERE FOR A LONGTIME SO IS AS YOU EMAIL AND TALK WITH ME NOW 10 OR 15 YEARS FROM NOW AS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR THINGS COME UP OR WE COME IN FRONT OF YOU AGAIN, YOU SHOULD HEAR THE SAME NAMES OVER AND OVER AGAIN RELATIVE TO BONAVENTURE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO SWEEP IN AND BUILD THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, SELL IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE FROM OUT OF TOWN AND YOU'LL NEVER SEE AGAIN AS WE MOVE ON THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. 
          THAT'S NOT WHAT WE DO. WE ARE RELATIVELY NEW FIRM. WE STARTED 21 YEARS AGO AND WE HAVE BUILT 13 PROJECTS FROM THE GROUND UP MOSTLY IN VIRGINIA THROUGHOUT RICHMOND, NORTHERN VIRGINIA AND HAMPTON ROADS AREA. BUT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED BLUFFTON AS MR. NESTOR DESCRIBED A PLACE THAT NEEDS HOUSING AND A PLACE THAT WOULD BE A PERFECT FIT FOR THE BONAVENTURE PRODUCT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU A PLAN. WE HAVE RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM STAFF WE INTEND TO TO WORK WITH STAFF AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO ENSURE THAT THE PLAN IS CONSISTENT WITH YOUR NEEDS AND YOUR VISION FOR THIS SITE AND THEN TO ALSO ENSURE THAT OUR OUR OUR IMPACT ON OUR NEIGHBORS WHO AGAIN WE INTEND TO BE THEIR NEIGHBORS FOR A LONG TIME HAS MINIMIZED BOTH FROM AN AESTHETIC STANDPOINT TRAFFIC SCHOOLS ETC.. 
          SO WE'RE HERE TODAY WITH AN OPEN MIND AND WE'D LIKE TO TALK WITH YOU ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT HERE WHICH YOU SAY AND TRY TO FIND A PLAN THAT COULD WORK FOR ALL OF US. 
          AND WITH THAT I'LL TURN THE FLOOR BACK OVER AT HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS WITH ANY 
          QUESTION THAT YOU TALK ABOUT HOUSING. >> CAN YOU GIVE US AN IDEA OF IS THERE SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THIS PROPOSAL AND IF SO HOW MUCH THERE IS? 
          >> THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES, THERE IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. RIGHT NOW OUR INTENTION IS TO WITH THE 20 PERCENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING REQUIREMENT FROM THE TOWN SET WITH 188 UNITS THAT PUTS US AT I THINK THIRTY SEVEN AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS AT 100 PERCENT NAME. 
          SO WHATEVER THE PLAN EVENTUALLY ENDS WITH WITH THE NUMBER OF UNITS WE INTEND TO PROVIDE 
          THAT 20 PERCENT AFFORDABLE 20 PERCENT. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 
          >> IF I COULD JUST A MORE BACKGROUND INFORMATION AS MOST OF YOU REMEMBER WE ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH A UNIFIED DEVELOPER AUDIENCE TEXT AMENDMENT ABOUT A YEAR YEAR AND A HALF AGO WHERE ANY NEW PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT OR IF SOMEONE WAS COMING INTO PLAY IN UNIT DEVELOPMENT THAT HAD A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT TO IT INITIALLY WAS A 10 PERCENT REQUIREMENT AND WE CHANGED THAT TO 20 PERCENT. SO THAT'S WHY THIS PROJECT NOW SINCE THEY'RE COMING INTO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO MEET THAT 20 PERCENT. YES. THANK YOU. 
          >> DO YOU DO A STUDY ON WHAT WHEN HOW MANY DO YOU USE WOULD BE IF YOU JUST FOLLOWED OR IS 
          CURRENTLY ALLOWED? >> I THINK BY RIGHT ZONING ALLOWS SOMETHING LIKE 60 TO GO 
          UP TO TOWNHOME STYLE BUILDING. >> SO I THINK THAT THE CURRENT ELEMENT IS ABOUT 62 UNITS SINGLE FAMILY. THAT'S RIGHT. CURRENT ZONING IS OUR RESIDENTIAL FOR FIFTEEN POINT FIVE TWO ACRES OF THAT ABOUT SIX AND A HALF IS THE WETLANDS 
          AREA THAT SHOWN ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE. >> NOT RIGHT NOW. 
          WALTER, YOU MADE THE ASSUMPTION WHY NO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS WHY DID YOU MAKE THAT ASSUMPTION? ALL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS WON'T WORK ON THIS PROPERTY. 
          WHY WHY ARE WE MAKING THAT ASSUMPTION? >> WELL, BASED ON MY CLIENT'S REVIEW OF THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW THAT THAT IS COMPLETELY SUBJECTIVE. 
          I WASN'T TRYING TO BE I WASN'T TRYING TO SPEAK FOR ANYBODY ELSE. 
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          >> I JUST WANTED TO I JUST WANTED TO DIG INTO THAT AND SEE ON A STAFF QUESTION THERE IS NO DENSITY ASSIGNED TO THIS OTHER THAN THAT BY RATE FOUR UNITS PER ACRE SINGLE FAMILY RIGHT. 
          >> UNDER CURRENT CODE IT'S FOUR UNITS PER ACRE. NOW THERE IS A THERE ARE PROVISIONS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT IF YOU WERE TO DEVELOP A SLIDING SCALE SO THAT 50 PERCENT YOU CAN GET A 50 PERCENT INCREASE IN YOUR DENSITY BUT AGAIN IT'S STILL SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED OR ATTACHED HOUSING GET THAT ISN'T IT? 
          >> MR. DO YOU HAVE 100 PERCENT HAS TO BE TO GET THE BONUS DENSITY UNDER PRESENT IS USED FOR AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE. YET AGAIN THERE'S A SLIDING SCALE IN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDER. SO IF YOU IF YOU DID 25 PERCENT OF YOUR PROJECT AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING THEN YOU GET THE 25 PERCENT MORE UNITS IF YOU DO 100 PERCENT OF YOUR PROJECT AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING THEN YOU GET A FULL A FULL BONUS. SO IN THIS CASE CURRENTLY ALLOWED 62 UNITS IF THEY DID 100 PERCENT OF THAT AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING THEN YOU GET AN ADDITIONAL 62 UNITS WHICH IS ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY NOW. UNFORTUNATELY IT DOESN'T 
          NECESSARILY MEAN THAT A HUNDRED TWENTY THAT CAN FIT RIGHT. >> I KNOW THAT HISTORICALLY COUNCIL ON PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE BEEN CONCERNED WITH WE HAVE SO MANY UNITS APPROVED IN THIS TOWN THAT WE DON'T WANT TO ADD UNITS NILLY AND SO WE'RE TAKING 62 AND I'M TALKING TO THE COMMISSION HERE FOR A SECOND. WE'RE TAKING 62 UNITS AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR THREE TIMES THAT ANOTHER STAFF. CLARIFICATION QUESTION THE PD CAROLINA PD THERE'S NO THEY DON'T NEED TO ACCEPT THIS AND THIS IS JUST A MATTER OF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO WRAP IT INTO AN IF WE SAY IT'S OK THEY GET WRAPPED INTO IT. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. YES, JUST TO MAKE A BRIEF STATEMENT AND I'M CERTAIN MR. M. YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU AND BUT I CANNOT THINK OF A PROJECT THAT IS MORE OPPOSITE OF WHAT WAS INTENDED FOR AN AREA THAN THIS PROJECT IS HAVE A CULTURAL NEIGHBORHOOD THERE. 
          >> THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PLOPPING A HUGE PROJECT WITH MASSIVE BUILDINGS IN THE MIDDLE AND AN AREA WHERE THE TRAFFIC IS ALREADY STRESSED AND STRAINED AND I JUST I DON'T SEE ANY WAY ANYTHING CLOSE TO THIS COULD COME TO FRUITION WANTS OF THE TOWN'S MASTER PLAN OF THE BUCK ALAN SIMMONS PHIL STUDY THAT WE DID AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WAS THAT WAS IN THAT ASKED FOR FEEDBACK AND I'M GIVING YOU FEEDBACK AND THAT'S IT. 
          >> YEAH, CAN YOU GIVE US INFORMATION ON TRAFFIC LIKE WHAT YOU'VE STUDIED AND HOW 
          THAT IMPACTS CITY, WHAT IMPACT THIS INTERSECTION? >> WE DON'T. 
          WE'RE CERTAINLY THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE APPLICATION BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION 
          YET. >> HAVE ENGAGED TRAFFIC CONSULTANT TO PROVIDE BOTH TRIP GENERATION AND A TRAFFIC STUDY. THEY'RE WORKING WITH DEPARTMENT TRANSPORTATION TO ENSURE THAT THE SCOPE IS APPROPRIATE. THE INITIAL RESPONSE AT LEAST FROM OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS AT NO SIGNIFICANT LEVEL OF SERVICE CHANGE WILL OCCUR AT THE INTERSECTION OF BUCK ISLAND AND BLUFFTON PARKWAY. AND PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE THE ADDITIONAL ACCESS THAT WE ARE PUTTING THROUGH THE WETLANDS AREA ON THE BLUFFTON PARKWAY AND WE WERE INTENTIONAL ABOUT THAT IN SOMEWHAT REACTION TO WHAT MR. WETMORE IS SAYING WHICH IS WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR TRAFFIC DOESN'T HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT PARTICULARLY ON BALL FIELD WHICH IS A SMALL RELATIVELY SMALL ROAD THAT ENDS IN THIS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO OUR GOAL IS CERTAINLY TO DIRECT TRAFFIC AWAY FROM THAT THAT ROAD. 
          TO THE EXTENT THAT IT'S NOT APPROVED AS PART OF OUR PLAN AND TO ENSURE THAT OUR TRAFFIC DOESN'T HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THAT PARTICULAR AREA PARTICULARLY TRAFFIC THAT EXITS THE ELEMENTS SO YOU CAN SEE RIGHT OUT GO OUT TO BLUFFTON PARKWAY AND MAKE IT RIGHT. 
          SO WE'VE CERTAINLY BEEN COGNIZANT OF THAT IN WE RECOGNIZE THE SCALE OF THE BUILDINGS IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE. AND WE ALSO TO MR. WHAT MORRIS POINT RELATIVE TO THE TO THE DENSITY IS YOU KNOW, IN OUR EXPERIENCE MULTIFAMILY IS A IS A LITTLE BIT MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTS ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE ACCOMMODATING TO TRAFFIC AND 
          TRAFFIC NOISE. >> SO THE CLOSER WE GET TO BLUFFTON PARKWAY AND THAT INTERSECTION WE WILL GET RESIDENTS ARE GENERALLY MORE ACCOMMODATING OF THAT KIND 
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OF TRAFFIC NOISE AND WHAT WE WOULD GET IF WE'VE DEVELOPED SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD TOWNHOMES OR EVEN SINGLE RENTALS FOR EXAMPLE, EXPECTATIONS FOR THE SOUND AND LIGHT AND OTHER THINGS THAT COMES RIBAUT RELATIVELY WELL TRAVELED ROAD LIKE BLUFFTON PARKWAY TO DEVELOPMENT MORE LIKE THIS THAN YOU WOULD FOR A DETACHED SINGLE BETTER RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH YOU . THE SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR HOMES IN HAMPTON LAKE THAT ARE KEVIN CAN YOU PULL UP THAT MAP THAT HAS THE IT'S WHERE IT IS LIKE WHERE THE MEDIUM DENSITY AND THE HIGH DENSITY I JUST WANTED TO SEE NOW IT IS CURRENTLY MEDIUM BUT LIKE WHERE IS THE HIGH IN THIS LIKE WHERE'S THE CLIP THE NEAREST HIGH DENSITY LIKE WHAT'S THE SO I CAN COMPARE WHAT WE'RE THIS BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT NOW THIS WOULD BE AT SOME IT'D BE THE ONLY THING RIGHT THERE AND A POCKET OF ALL MEDIUMS I'M JUST I JUST WANTED TO SEE THERE'S A FEW AREAS THAT'S WELL STONE THERE THE THIS THAT VISTA VIEW 
          OF A MAIN RIVER ROAD. >> YES IT BACKS THAT BACK THERE. 
          >> YEP. >> BROWN IT ALL CAROLINAS WELL THAT'S IN THE PARTS. 
          THAT'S RIGHT YEAH. SO I'M SORRY. LIKE THIS IS NOT THE NO. 
          >> I JUST WANTED TO BE ABLE TO VISUALLY SEE WHAT THE NEXT SURROUNDING LOOKS WOULDN'T BE 
          WALL ST. I SUPPOSE. >> YEAH. SO YOU CAN SEE IT IN THIS MAP. 
          THE POSTER WAS ACTUALLY DEVELOPED AS A AS A PD AS WELL . 
          JUST POINT OF CLARIFICATION MAYBE THIS IS TO MR. ECKHART YOUR REVIEW POINT NUMBER TWO SAID THE THE MASS SCALE OF THE 86 BUILDINGS ARE COMPLETELY OUT OF CHARACTER NOT ONLY FOR BUCK 
          ISLAND BUT FOR A TOWN OF BLUFFTON. >> THEIR FOOTPRINT IS OVER 300 PERCENT LARGER THAN ANY OTHER MULTIFAMILY BUILDING. NOW IS THAT A REQUIREMENT OR IS THAT A SUGGESTION? AND IF IT'S A SUGGESTION OR A REQUIREMENT, HOW WOULD YOU ADDRESS THAT AND STILL MAKE THIS ECONOMICALLY VIABLE FOR YOURSELF THAT THAT WAS THAT WAS 
          A STAFF COMMENT. >> AND THAT WAS REFLECTIVE OF VARIOUS APARTMENT COMPLEXES WITHIN BLUFFTON WHERE WE JUST DID A AN OVERVIEW OF JUST KIND OF GET AN ESTIMATE OF BOTH FOOTPRINT AND THEN FOUR STORIES FOR OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF EXISTING APARTMENT COMPLEXES IN THE AREA TO GIVE THE PERSPECTIVE TO YOU TO UNDERSTAND HOW LARGE THEIR BUILDINGS ARE BEING PROPOSED COMPARED TO OTHER APARTMENT COMPLEX BUILDINGS IN THE AREA. 
          >> WHAT'S THE NUMBER OF STORIES ON THIS? THERE'S TWO THREE STOREY BUILDINGS. THE TWO LARGER BUILDINGS ARE THREE STORIES AND THEN THE THREE SMALLER BUILDINGS ARE TWO STORY CHARACTERS HOSTILE WHICH IS A GARAGE UNDERNEATH AND A FLAT STYLE APARTMENT ABOVE TWO. TO YOUR POINT ON RECEIPT OF COMMENTS FROM STAFF. 
          IT BECAME CLEAR THAT THE MASS AND SIZE OF THE BUILDINGS IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE EXPECTATIONS TOWN. AND WE'RE HEARING THAT TONIGHT AS WELL. 
          AND WHAT I CAN ASSURE YOU IS THAT WE WILL GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN COMPLY WITH THAT. NOW WE ARE SOMEWHAT SITE CONSTRAINED OF COURSE SIX AND A HALF ACRES OF WETLANDS HAVE GOT TO PROVIDE SOME ROAD ON OR NEAR THE SITE THAT GOES DOWN TO BALL FIELD. SO IT'S IT'S ALMOST CERTAIN THAT WE WILL LOSE UNITS WHICH IS PROBABLY FOR THIS BODY AN IMPORTANT PART PORTION OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. 
          BUT OUR INTENTION IS TO TRY TO COMPLY WITH THE 20 20 HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET SLIGHTLY UNDER. 
          WE DO HAVE A THREE STOREY BREEZEWAY STYLE WALK UP THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE ARCHITECTURE IN TOWN THAT I THINK WILL WE'LL DO WELL HERE AND LIKE I SAID, IT WILL RESULT IN REDUCTION OF UNITS. BUT OUR INTENTION IS TO COMPLY WITH THE REQUEST. 
          MR. DELKO, IF I MAY. >> I MEAN THAT'S THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION. 
          BUT TO EXPLAIN THE PROCESS OFTENTIMES THERE'S NO PLACE TO PUT THERE'S NO PLACE TO MAKE. 
          SO YOU HAVE YOU DO HAVE TO MAKE THE ECONOMICS WORK PRICE OF THE LAND PRICE FOR CONSTRUCTION AND HOW IT'S HOW IT'S GOING TO PERFORM. THEN YOU HAVE TO FIND THAT THAT PIECE OF LAND THAT'S GOING TO PERFORM AND THEN YOU HAVE TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT MIGHT BE WHAT MIGHT BE ALLOWED THERE AND HOW WE CAN ALLOW IT. AND SO AN APPLICANT BEFORE THE TOWN IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS REALLY IS NEGOTIATING AGAINST ITSELF, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO GO, WHAT WHAT. AND THAT'S WHY COMMENTS FROM STAFF ARE CRITICAL TO US IN THIS PROCESS. BUT WE DON'T CHANGE THE APPLICATION TO COME TO THE WORKSHOP. THE APPLICATION IS WITH THE APPLICATION IS AND AS IT WORKS THROUGH THE PROCESS, OUR HOPE IS THAT WE GET TO AN APPLICATION THAT CAN RECEIVE A 
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FAVORABLE FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION NOT ONLY FROM STAFF BUT FROM THE PLANNING 
          COMMISSION. >> OKAY. THAT'S WHY WE VALUE WORKSHOPS LIKE THIS HORSE LIKE SHOPS LIKE THIS ARE EXCELLENT. TOWN COUNCIL HAS A NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE. WE WOULD EXPECT HOPE THAT WE COULD GO TO THE NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE AS PART OF THE REZONING THAT WE COULD HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH TOWN COUNCIL AND FIND OUT WHAT IT IS THAT THEY WANT FOR THIS PROPERTY. AND AGAIN, AS I SAID EARLIER, WE RECOGNIZE AND BELIEVE THAT TOWN COUNCIL IS VERY ANXIOUS TO GET HOUSING AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          AND MARKET RATE HOUSING FOR THE PARCELS TO THE SOUTH. >> WHAT ARE THOSE ZONED AS OR 
          WELL YOU CAN SEE THEIR THREE RECTANGULAR PROPERTIES. >> THOSE ARE ALL CURRENTLY ZONED THE RESIDENTIAL GENERAL CURRENTLY IT'S JUST AN INDIVIDUAL INDIVIDUAL LOTS. 
          >> YEAH. THERE MAY MAY BE MULTIPLE MOBILE HOMES ON THE LOTS BUT 
          NOT NECESSARILY LOOKING AT THE GOOGLE MAPS PHOTO. >> THERE ARE YEAH THERE'S A SMALL COLLECTION OF MOBILE HOMES AN APP LIKE IF YOU KEEP GOING SOUTH IT'S JUST ALL RIGHT 
          HERE SO IT'S SMALLER. >> YEAH. BUT THOSE ARE ALL I THINK THE MAJORITY THAT'S OUT THERE WOULD BE MOBILE HOMES WITH MULTIPLE UNITS ON ON LOTS. 
          >> WAS THERE ANY INTENTION OF IMPROVING ALL FILLED ROAD? I'M JUST SAYING I MEAN IF WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT ACT I KNOW THAT IT'S NOT THAT KIRK CURRENTLY BELFIELD ROAD IT DEAD ENDS OR I MEAN DEAD ENDS IN ESSENCE INTO CENTER FIELD ROAD THAT IS A COUNTY MAINTAINED ROAD AND THEN THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WITH THEY COME IN AND THEY'RE ADDING EXTRA IMPACT THAT'S TO DEAL 
          WITH THAT. >> I MEAN THEY ANY CHANGES REQUIRED TO FIELD ROAD OR PERMITTED THE BALL FIELD ROAD WOULD BE AT THE DIRECTION AND APPROVAL BE FOR THE COUNTY 
          RICHMOND PERMIT AND EVERYTHING IS A CONCERN. >> I MEAN I MEAN BETTER BUT NOT ON HIS APPROVAL. RIGHT. THE TOWN THAT WOULDN'T HAVE THAT TOWN WOULD RELY ON THE ENCROACHMENT APPROVED ENCROACHMENT PERMIT FROM 
          BEAUFORT COUNTY. >> THAT WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE KIND OF AS I WAS SAYING THAT YOU KNOW, WE WE DO HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS FROM A HOLISTIC 
          APPROACH. >> HOWEVER, FOR THIS EVENING'S PURPOSES, YOU KNOW, WE'RE FOCUSING ON THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THE WORKSHOP FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS WELL AS FOR THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT AS THIS MOVES FORWARD THEN YOU KNOW. 
          YES, AS MR. NESTOR HAD MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO KIND OF GO BACK AND REASSESS THAT THE SITE PLAN BASED OFF OF THIS DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE THIS EVENING COMMENTS THAT WERE RECEIVED FROM DRC MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO THOSE AND THEN RESUBMIT THAT MASTERPLAN AND AMENDMENT FOR STAFF TO REVIEW IT AND THEN POTENTIALLY PROVIDE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS BASED ON WHAT THEY HAVE AND THEN WE CAN THEN START, YOU KNOW, FIND TUNING THAT PLAN, BRINGING IT BACK TO YOU. THOSE ITEMS COUNTY IS AWARE YOU KNOW, SOUTH CAROLINA DUTY IS AWARE OF THIS PROJECT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN SOME INITIAL FEEDBACK THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED BUT THERE HAVEN'T OBVIOUSLY NO APPROVALS OF SORTS. BUT YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE WILL AS THE PLAN MOVES FORWARD WOULD BECOME MORE FINE TUNED AS TO EXACT LOCATIONS OF THESE CONNECTIONS. 
          >> I AGREE WITH WITH CHARLIE AND TOWN STAFF AT ITS PROJECT AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW JUST 
          SEEMS TO BE I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY. >> I WAS GOING TO AGREE CHARLIE 
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AS WELL AND PASSING IN THE AMOUNT EACH BEFORE WE'RE ABLE TO GO BACK JUST TO CONTINUE THAT CONVERSATION AND LET'S SEE THAT WE CAN TAKE THIS BUILDING THAT I'M GOING LOOKS LIKE A T THE BIG BUILDING AND THEN THE SMALLER BUILDING AT THE BOTTOM THAT ARE THREE STORIES TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN REDUCE THOSE FROM EIGHTY SIX OR EIGHTY FOUR UNITS TO LET'S CALL THEM 18 TO 
          20. >> CONSISTENT COMMENTS THERE WILL BE THREE STORIES WE COULD PROBABLY CLAD THEM WITH LIKE TOWNHOUSE STYLE IN CAPS SO THEY HAVE THE APPEARANCE OF BEING SINGLE FAMILY AT LEAST THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S MORE PALATABLE WITH THE REDUCTION IN DENSITY 
          ECONOMICS TO MR. MR. DICTATES SOME SIGNIFICANT DENSITY. >> SO I'M NOT I CAN'T GET DOWN TO 62 UNITS I'M EX WORK BUT WE CAN REDUCE DENSITY AND PERCENT AND SMALLER BUILDINGS WE CAN GET TO A PLACE THAT I THINK IS CLOSER WITH WHAT YOU ENVISION FOR THE SITE IT WOULD BE TUCKED 
          BACK AWAY. >> WE DO HAVE SOME TREES AS SOME PLANTS DID TO SAVE SOME OF THE EXISTING TREES PARTICULARLY SOME OF THE LARGER ONES WE CAN CREATE LANDSCAPE BUFFERS ET CETERA, PARTICULARLY TO THE SOUTH. WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE TO THE SOUTH OF US. THEY WILL NOT BE AESTHETICALLY IMPACTED BY BUFFER FENCING OR OTHERWISE TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN REDUCE THE MASS AND SCALE WE. ARE WE STILL HAVING A CONVERSATION OR IS THE PURE NUMBER OF UNITS EVEN IF IT'S AT 165 160 LET'S SAY THAT'S STILL A PLACE THAT'S NOT PALATABLE AND STILL OUT OF CHARACTER ON THE COMMISSION HOUSING THAT RUSSIAN NOT A VOTE BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S YOU KNOW, ECONOMICALLY THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE WE CAN GET A 10 PERCENT REDUCTION. DO YOU THINK TO YOUR POINT, MR. MARK, THAT THE SCALE IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ADDRESS PRODUCING AND GETTING YOUR FEEDBACK ON THOSE KIND 
          OF NUMBERS IS HELPFUL AND IT'S NOT BINDING? >> IT'S NOT BINDING ON THE COMMISSIONERS. YOU COULD SAY 100 THAT WORKS FINE FOR ME TODAY AND I NOW WE'RE FINE FOR YOU WHEN YOU SEE THE PLAN. JUST JUST HAVING SOME IDEA BEING SO WE'RE NOT REALLY AGAIN NEGOTIATING AGAINST OURSELVES. AND BACK TO BONNEVILLE ROAD. 
          I MEAN THAT'S THE FRONT OF THE FRONT OF THE COMMUNITY. SO THERE'S DEFINITELY GOING TO BE SOME BELFIELD WILL BE ADDRESSED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. IT CAN'T STAY AS A CAT A DIRT COUNTY OWNED. EXCUSE ME COUNTY MAINTAINED ROAD. 
          SO THERE WOULD WE WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT THAT BE BEING THE FRONT DEVELOPMENT THAT THAT 
          WOULD CHANGE. >> I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF BUT THE SO MUCH OVER THE PAST 10 TO 20 YEARS TO DEFINE WHAT WE WANT IN THIS PART OF TOWN IN THIS VERY HOW I FEEL I'M ONE OF SEVEN. WHEN THE PEOPLE OF PARK ISLAND AND SIMMONS VALE ANNEXED INTO THE TOWN, THEY ANNEXED INTO THE TOWN HOPING THAT THEY COULD KEEP THE COMMUNITY FEEL THAT THEY HAVE WHICH IS VERY ECLECTIC AND VERY MUCH SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND IT'S I MEAN IT'S GETTING GENTRIFIED AND IT'S CHANGING BUT A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE STILL THERE AND IT'S IT'S A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN WALK OUT IN YOUR YARD AND YOU CAN SEE YOUR NEIGHBORS AND 
          I JUST. >> AND I'D LOVE TO GET FEEDBACK FROM FROM THAT COMMUNITY NOT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO DECIDE WHAT GOES. IT DOESN'T GO HERE BUT WE LOOK BACK AT THE BOOK ON SIMMONS CIVIL STUDY THAT WAS DONE AND THE INPUT FROM FROM ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS IN THAT STUDY AND GET A GOOD FEEL FOR WHAT WAS WHAT WAS REQUESTED AND THERE THERE ARE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE BY RIGHT. 
          >> I MEAN YOU LOOK AT YOU LOOK AT PULTE IS DOING ALL THE AND I'M JUST GIVING THE EXAMPLE PULTE IS DOING ALL THESE LITTLE COMMUNITIES WITH 30 AND 40 AND 60 HOMES PUTTING THEM IN THE POCKETS AND THAT WOULD FIT IN SOMETHING LIKE THIS. THE NEIGHBORS MAY NOT LIKE IT BUT THAT'S BY RIGHT. WHAT WAS DECIDED THROUGH THAT WHOLE PROCESS? THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY A BAD PROJECT. I JUST IN MY OPINION THE LOCATION AND I THINK MR. WHITMORE I MEAN YOUR COMMENT IS A VERY APPROPRIATE ONE THAT THAT THERE IS SOME GENTRIFICATION GOING ON DOWN THERE AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO WANT TO COMMISSION TO LOOK AT BECAUSE AS THE COMMUNITY CHANGES, GENTRIFICATION SOMETIMES CAN MEAN TAKING ONE ACRE AND TURNING IT INTO FORCE FOR LOTS WITH FOR FOUR MOBILE HOMES AND NOT NOT TO ARGUE THE POINT BUT IS THAT IS THAT GETTING THE HOUSING THAT THE TOWN REALLY NEEDS. AND ARE THOSE THE PEOPLE THAT 
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ARE LIVING THERE TODAY THAT PARTICIPATED IN THE EARLY 2000S IN THE BUCKEYE ON SOME CIVIL ROAD? AND I DON'T KNOW. BUT I THINK THAT YOUR POINT IS IT IS AN EXCELLENT ONE THAT WE NEED TO SPEAK SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE TO SEE WHERE THEY ARE IN TERM IT FOR THIS KIND OF A PROJECT AND APPRECIATE THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MAGIC NUMBER IS AS FAR AS UNITS BUT SAY THAT YOU KNOW, YOU WERE ALLOWED TO DO MORE THAN THE 60 
          . >> I'M JUST FROM A MASSING STANDPOINT YOU COULD BREAK THOSE BUILDINGS UP AND TO SMALLER PIECES ARE LARGE FOOTPRINTS. 
          >> THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS NOT. I MEAN WE'VE ARGUED ABOUT THIS OTHER PROJECTS AROUND TOWN LIKE THAT'S JUST REALLY JUMPS OUT AT THE PAGE AS YOU LOOK AT IT FROM FROM THE TO D OVERHEAD VIEW AT LEAST ON THE DEVELOPABLE HIRSCH PORTION JUMPS OUT ON THE PAGE AND I RECOGNIZE THAT BUT IF WE WERE LOOKING AT IT AND IT WAS SPREAD OUT THROUGH THE ENTIRETY THE FIFTEEN FORTY FIVE TWO ACRES MAYBE IT WOULD FEEL DIFFERENT BUT IT'S NOT. 
          >> AND IT'S THE SITE CONSTRAINT THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. SO YOU KNOW AS I MENTIONED EARLIER WE WE HEAR WHAT STAFF IS SAYING CERTAINLY HERE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS SAYING AND OUR INTENTION IS TO TO BE WHAT I AT THE VERY BEGINNING A PARTNER WITH THE TOWN OVER AND DO OUR BEST TO TO SAY THAT IS MR. NESTOR DESCRIBED ALLOWS THE PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD AND THAT IMPORTANT HOUSING MOVE PROVIDED THE PEOPLE BUT OTHER THING THAT I WILL SAY AT LEAST RELATIVE TO SOME OF THE NATIONAL HOMEBUILDERS IS THAT EVEN THOUGH BONAVENTURE IS BASED IN ALEXANDRIA, VIRGINIA, WE SERVE AS OUR GENERAL CONTRACTOR OR DEDICATED TO USING LOCAL AND REGIONAL SUBCONTRACTORS INCLUDING PROBABLY SOME 
          TRADESPEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA. >> THE FOLKS THAT WE USE TO BUILD OUR BUILDINGS ARE GENERALLY REPRESENTATIVE OF THE POPULATION AROUND US SO WE DON'T BUILD THEM IN A WAREHOUSE AND SHIP THEM DOWN ON TRUCKS DOWN 95 AND PULL OFF AND AND JUST BRING THEM ON SITE AND THEY'LL ADD TOGETHER. THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT WILL SLEEP IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN WHICH WE WE BUILD OUR PRODUCTS. WE'LL PASS THEM EVERY DAY. 
          WE'LL BE PROUD THEN WE'LL POINT TO THEM AS THEY'RE WITH THEIR CHILDREN AND THE CARDS THAT WE HELP BUILD THOSE. SO YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A SLIGHT DISTINCTION BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT. IF WE HAD THE ECONOMICS NECESSARY TO COME AND BUILD OUT OF A KIT, WE COULD PROBABLY BUILD SIGNIFICANTLY LESS UNITS . 
          BUT UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S WHERE FORTUNATELY THAT'S NOT THE PRODUCT TYPE THAT WE DO AND THAT'S NOT THE QUALITY OF WORK THAT WE WANT TO BE KNOWN FOR. I THINK IT SERVES OUR COMMUNITIES BETTER BY USING LOCAL AND REGIONAL TRADESPEOPLE IN PARTICULAR. 
          SO LIKE TO MAKE THAT DISTINCTION. I WISH WE COULD ALWAYS DRIVE DOWN COSTS AND AND BUILD PURSUANT TO TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE WITHOUT ANY VARIANCES LIFE WOULD BE A LOT EASIER AREN'T ALWAYS ALLOWED TO DO THAT AND YOU KNOW THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT NEEDS OF THOSE AROUND IT OR DIFFERENT NECESSARILY THAN PROBABLY. 
          >> BUT YOU KNOW OTHERS MIGHT WANT FOR THE SITE. SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIND THAT 
          FINE. >> ONE OTHER POINT I JUST I THINK AS I AS I DRIVE DOWN THE BLUFFTON PARKWAY A LOT AND I REMEMBER THE TIME WHEN THERE WASN'T A BLUFFTON PARKWAY THE BLUFFTON PARKWAY HAS CHANGED THE AREAS IN WHICH IT RUNS THROUGH AND YOU KNOW, 45 45 
          MILES PER HOUR IS THE MIND IF THAT IS THE SPEED LIMIT. >> I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE A POLL ABOUT WHO DRIVES 45 MILES PER HOUR ON BLUFFTON PARKWAY BUT IT'S CHALLENGING. 
          SO THAT'S MY POINT IS THAT YOU KNOW, AS THE TOWN GROWS PARTS OF THE TOWN CHANGE AND I RECOGNIZE WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S ROLE IS AND WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS ROLE IS. BUT BUT PROPERTY DOES CHANGE IN THE CHARACTER OF PROPERTY DOES CHANGE. AND THAT'S WHY WE TRY TO IDENTIFY AREAS WHERE THERE MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE TO PROVIDE SOMETHING FOR THE TOWN THAT IT NEEDS. 
          >> I THINK IS TO MY OPINION THE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SPELLS OUT WHAT THE WHAT THE THE PEOPLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTED AND ANY DEVIATION FROM NOW CONCERNS ABOUT A PROJECT 
          OF THIS MAKING A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL THE SEVEN. >> BUT TO ME IT STANDS OUT AS THE EXTREME DEVIATION FROM WHAT THE DESIRE WAS FOR THAT COMMUNITY TO ME THAT WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF ENGAGING OUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS PROBABLY SHOULD CALL A COMMUNITY MEETING TO HYPER LOCAL TO OUR SITE TO ENSURE THAT THOSE THAT ARE AFFECTED BY IT CAN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO US JUST LIKE YOU ALL HAVE RATHER INPUT TO THE EXTENT WE CAN TAKE THAT TO THE EXTENT THAT THAT MIGHT THEY MAY NOT HAVE CONCERNS THEN WE CAN OR BACK OR WE'RE ASKED THAT THEY REPORT THAT DIRECTLY TO YOU ALSO ADVOCATE FOR COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT? 
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          >> ABSOLUTELY ALWAYS HAVE THEM NOT HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING THEY SAY BUT JUST SAY YOU KNOW WHEN YOU ENGAGE EARLY IN THE PROCESS AND SOMETIMES BEFORE YOU GET STAFF FEEDBACK THEN YOU FIND YOURSELF IN A POSITION TO GO TO THEM WITH THREE OR FOUR PLANS AND IT IMMEDIATELY ERODES YOUR 
          CREDIBILITY. >> SO NOW THAT WE HAVE FEEDBACK FROM STAFF FEEDBACK FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IT'S CERTAINLY A GOOD TIME FOR US TO GET AS CLOSE AS WE CAN TO A FINALIZED PLAN. TAKE THAT TO THE COMMUNITY AND SAY WE THINK THAT THIS IS THE BEST YEAR THAT WE'RE WILLING TO GIVE BACK AND MAKE CHANGES AS WE CAN. 
          >> I THINK WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THAT POINT. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE PROBABLY THE TIME TO ENGAGE THE LOCAL COMMUNITY BUT I WOULD REVIEW THAT COMP PLAN BUG ISLAND SIMMONS WILL WHAT WAS IT CALLED BY COLIN SIMMONS OR NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN? 
          >> THANK YOU. SORRY. BRAIN MALFUNCTION BUT I WOULD I WOULD REVIEW THOSE AS WLREADY. WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE AND IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING I'VE MEMORIZED SPOTLIGHT THAT TO THE TO THE NEIGHBORS WHO MAY NOT BE AWARE THAT THAT'S BEEN THE PLAN CURRENTLY SAYS AND ENSURE WE PUT THAT IN FRONT AND SAY THIS IS WHAT WE'VE. 
          >> THIS IS WHAT THE TOWN HAS SAID AT LEAST WHEN IT WAS ADOPTED. 
          THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING KIND OF IT THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS I JUST BROUGHT BACK 
          UP THE. >> THE KIND OF NEXT STEPS AGAIN THIS IS TENTATIVE OF SEPTEMBER 22ND BASED OFF OF A LOT OF THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED APPLICANT HAVING SOME TYPE OF COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT MEETING AND MAKING THE NECESSARY CHANGES TO THE PLAN. 
          SPECIFICALLY FOR THE MASTER PLAN TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY SUBJECT TO CHANGE. AND WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL WORK WITH THE APPLICANTS TO YOU TO FINE TUNE FROM A TIMING STANDPOINT AS TO WHEN THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GET ALL THIS DOCUMENTATION TO US AS WELL AS HOLDING THE MEETING FEEDBACK FROM THE MEETING AND THEN BRINGING IT BACK TO YOU. SO IT MAY BE SEPTEMBER OR IT MAY BE THE FOLLOWING MONTH AND THEN OF COURSE YOU KNOW EVERYTHING KIND SHIFTS DOWN FOR TOWN COUNCIL MEETINGS IF THERE'S NO VOTE NO YOU DON'T HAVE YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU SAY THEN SAY THANK YOU VERY 
          MUCH AND SAY THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. 
          I MEAN COMMENTS LIKE. ALL RIGHT. OKATIE IS YOUR APPLICANT HERE? 
          DO YOU WANT TO GO TO THAT ITEM 1 OR ONE WHEN RUSH LANE? >> MY APPLICANT HAS MISREAD THE DATE ON IT. HE CONFIRMED THAT HE WOULD BE HERE TONIGHT BUT HAS UNFORTUNATELY IS IN CHARLESTON UNABLE TO BE AT TONIGHT'S MEETING. 
          SO HE'S REQUESTED WE MOVE IT TO NEXT MONTH. NEXT MONTH'S AGENDA AND WE'LL 
          HAVE THAT ON HIM. I NEED TO MAKE A. >> I DON'T KNOW. 
          WE'LL JUST MOVE IT TO DURBAN. YEAH. IT WAS NEVER OPENED. 
          [VII.4. Unified Development Ordinance Amendments (Public Hearing): Amendments to the Town of Bluffton Code of Ordinances Chapter 23 – Unified Development Ordinance, Article 3 – Application Process, to Establish Section 3.26, Pro-active Preservation and Maintenance of Contributing Structures (Staff- Charlotte Moore)]
NO, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM FOUR WHICH IS THE UNIFORM DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS. 
          IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING TO THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER TWENTY THREE UDA ARTICLE 3 APPLICATION PROCESS TO ESTABLISH SECTION THREE POINT TO SIX PROACTIVE 
          PRESERVATION AND MAINTENANCE OF CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES. >> CHARLOTTE. 
          >> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THIS ORDINANCE THAT IS PROPOSED THIS EVENING ACTUALLY ISN'T NEW . WE HAD A PREVIOUS MAINTENANCE OF CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES ORDINANCE PRIOR TO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE BEING ADOPTED IN 2011. FOR SOME REASON IT DID NOT MAKE IT INTO THE YUDHOYONO. 
          AND WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO REESTABLISH IT'S JUST A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FORMAT THAN 
          IT WAS PREVIOUSLY. >> WE. >> UPS. 
          >> THANK YOU. AND SOMEHOW WE ENDED UP BROKE IT ALL. 
          >> I SURE DID. THAT'S MY CLICK FIRST. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE GOT. 
          >> EXCUSE ME. ALL RIGHTY. SO LET ME TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE AND WHAT THIS IS INTENDED TO DO. 
          THIS IS PROPOSED AD TO ALLOW THE TOWN TO STEP WHEN WE SEE ANY KIND OF DETERIORATION, ANY SORT OF STRUCTURAL DEFECTS, ANY KIND OF DECAY IN OUR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES. 
          AND I'LL EXPLAIN WHAT THAT IS IN JUST A MOMENT. ARE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES 
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HELP MAKE UP OLD TOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT? THEY PUT THE HISTORIC IN HISTORIC DISTRICT. THERE ARE MANY REASONS WHY NEGLECT MAY OCCUR. 
          IT COULD BE ANYTHING TO AN ABSENTEE PROPERTY OWNER WHO HASN'T CONTRIBUTED STRUCTURE AND WHO IS COMPLETELY UNAWARE OF THE ISSUE. IT COULD BE A FINANCIAL REASON THE PROPERTY OWNER JUST SIMPLY DOESN'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO CORRECT WHATEVER THE ISSUES ARE AND THERE MAY BE OCCASIONS WHEN A PROPERTY OWNER INTENTIONALLY ALLOWS A BUILDING TO DECLINE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH THE PROPERTY IN THE BUILDINGS IN THE WAY AND THEY MAY HAVE ATTEMPTED TO REMOVE THE CONTRIBUTING STATUS AND PERHAPS WERE DENIED OR THEY'VE TRIED TO MOVE OR RELOCATE THE STRUCTURE TO ANOTHER PROPERTY MAY HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO DO THAT. SO BASICALLY THE BUILDING IS ALLOWED TO SET AND AND BE NEGLECTED BECAUSE REGULAR MAINTENANCE IS NOT OCCURRING. SO WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS TO COLLABORATE WITH PROPERTY OWNERS STEP IN WHEN WE FEEL THAT THERE IS A NEED BASED ON CERTAIN CONDITIONS AND DEVELOP A PRESERVATION PLAN. SO THE POINT OF THIS TEXT AMENDMENT IS NOT TO BE PUNITIVE BUT TO BE COLLABORATIVE AND TRY TO SAVE STRUCTURES THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE CONTRIBUTING. SO CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AGAIN THE OLD TOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT HAS APPROXIMATELY 82 CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES WHICH ARE HISTORIC TO SOME DEGREE. 
          THEY MAY BE ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT. THEY MAY HAVE HAD AN EVENT TAKE PLACE THERE THAT MAKES THEM SIGNIFICANT COLLECTIVELY. ALL OF THESE STRUCTURES TOGETHER HELP MAKE UP OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT BY VIRTUE OF LOCATION ARCHITECTURE, SETTING MATERIALS, WORKMANSHIP ,FEELING AND ASSOCIATION. WE HAVE HAD A NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT SINCE 1996 AND THEN IN 2000 SEVEN OLD TOWN BLUFFTON WAS CREATED . 
          AND THAT'S OUR ONE SQUARE MILE OF TOWN. I'LL SHOW YOU A MAP OF THAT IN JUST A MOMENT. MOST OF OUR HISTORIC STRUCTURES ARE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES ARE LOCATED WITHIN OUR NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT AND TWO OF THEM ARE AS SIGNIFICANT 
          INDIVIDUALLY. >> THE CHURCH OF THE CROSS AND MORE RECENTLY CAMPBELL'S CHAPEL. AMY, WE ARE FOCUSING RIGHT NOW ON OLD TOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          EVENTUALLY WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER LOOKING AT OTHER HISTORIC RESOURCES OUTSIDE OF THIS AREA BUT FOR THE TIME BEING WE ARE FOCUSED ON THE AREA IN GREEN WHICH IS THE OLD TOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT. YOU CAN SEE THE LITTLE YELLOW TABS THERE, IDENTIFY ALL OF OUR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES. THE AREA IN ORANGE IS THE NATIONAL REGISTRY DISTRICT AND THEN THE AREAS THAT YOU SEE WITH A LITTLE ORANGE TAB. THOSE ARE PREVIOUSLY CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES THAT WERE DEMOLISHED AND WE'D LIKE TO NOT SEE THOSE ORANGE TABS POP UP IN THE FUTURE. SO THE PROCESS FOR THIS ORDINANCE IS PRETTY SIMPLE. 
          I'M GOING TO EXPLAIN THESE VARIOUS STEPS HERE FROM THE IDENTIFICATION PART TO THE REMEDIATION PART AND HOPEFULLY THERE WON'T BE AN APPEALS PROCESS AT AN APPEAL OF THE PLAN BUT THERE MAY BE AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT TOO. SO THE FIRST STEP IS TO ALLOW ANYONE IN THE TOWN TO SUBMIT A PETITION AND I'LL BE ON A FORUM THAT WE WILL CREATE AND THEY WILL IDENTIFY A PARTICULAR BUILDING THAT THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT AND ASK THE TOWN TO INVESTIGATE WHETHER ANY OF THE CONDITIONS OF NEGLECT EXIST. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE MOMENT. AND WE DON'T WANT THIS TO BE SOMETHING PEOPLE JUST FOR FRIVOLOUS FOR OBVIOUSLY AND PETITION BECAUSE THEY'RE UPSET WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER. 
          SO IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO OCCUR ONCE PER YEAR PER PROPERTY. 
          SO CONDITIONS OF NEGLECT MAY VARY. IT COULD BE ANYTHING FROM DETERIORATION OF STUCCO BRICK SEEN PERHAPS CHIMNEY PULLING AWAY FROM THE BUILDING. 
          ANY OF THESE THINGS MAY BE A POTENTIAL CONDITION OF NEGLECT AND ALSO INCLUDES THINGS SUCH AS WALLS AND FENCES WHICH WE CALL SITE FEATURES. AND SO YOU TIO ADMINISTRATOR WOULD INVESTIGATE THE PETITION ANY OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED UTILITIES ADMINISTRATOR OR STAFF ACTING ON THE ADMINISTRATORS BEHALF WOULD GO OUT FROM THE FROM THE ROAD FROM THE RIGHT AWAY AND DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS PERHAPS NEGLECT OCCURRING IF THAT'S THE CASE. THE TANGIBLE THEN CONTACT THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THEN EXPLAIN WHAT THE PROCESS IS. ASK THEM TO COME IN TO MEET AND TO DEVELOP A PRESERVATION PLAN. 
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AND BASICALLY THAT'S WHAT CAN WE DO TO REMEDIATE THE CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE SEEING. 
          WHAT TYPES OF PERMIT WHAT TYPES OF REVIEW PROCESS MIGHT BE NEEDED AND WHAT A TIMELINE WOULD BE? ADDITIONALLY, WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE ANY GRANTS OR TAX INCENTIVES THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO OFFER OR FIND FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER. AND WE ARE WORKING ON A TAX ABATEMENT TEXT AMENDMENT RIGHT NOW THAT WILL BRING FORWARD IN THE FALL. SO THAT OUTCOME OF THE 
          INVESTIGATION WILL LEAD TO A PRESERVATION PLAN. >> IF THE PROPERTY OWNER IS NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT PLAN, THEY DO HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO APPEAL TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION AND THEY CAN BRING FORWARD ANY INFORMATION THAT THEY HAVE. 
          THE PRESERVATION COMMISSION COULD LOOK THAT OVER AND DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE A SUFFICIENT CLAIM AND PERHAPS MAKING AMENDMENT TO THE PLAN THAT WAS DEVELOPED BY BDO 
          ADMINISTRATOR. >> THEY CAN ALSO CLAIM AN ECONOMIC HARDSHIP POTENTIALLY AND IF THEY DO THAT IN THAT CASE THEY WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE CERTAIN INFORMATION FOR THAT PRESERVATION COMMISSION TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT A HARDSHIP WOULD EXIST. 
          AND THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PROVE THAT THERE IS NO WAY FOR THAT PROPERTY TO EARN ANY KIND OF REASONABLE ECONOMIC RETURN BASED ON THAT PLAN OR THAT THAT WOULD DEPRIVE THEM OF ALL REASONABLE USE OF THE PROPERTY. AND THIS IS A VERY COMMON PROVISION IN ANY SORT OF PROACTIVE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE. SOME PLACES CALL IT DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT THAT WE'RE CALLING IT PRESERVATION OR PRACTICE PRESERVATION. 
          SO IF IF THERE IS AN ECONOMIC HARDSHIP THAT IS FOUND BY THE PRESERVATION COMMISSION AGAIN THEY CAN REVISE THE PRESERVATION PLAN. THERE MAY BE AN EXTENSION TIMELINE. THERE MAY BE MORE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK FOR FUNDING TO ASSIST 
          WITH WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR THAT PROPERTY. >> THERE IS PENALTIES AND 
          REMEDIES AND HOPEFULLY NEVER GETS TO THIS. >> AND I DO REALLY WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THE INTENT IS TO KEEP THIS MUCH AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AT THE STAFF LEVEL AND TO WORK WITH PROPERTY OWNERS. BUT IF IT DOES COME TO A POINT WHERE WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE APPEALS PROCESS AND NOTHING THING IS BEING DONE, THERE IS THE ABILITY OF THE TOWN TO STEP IN AND POTENTIALLY MAKE THE CORRECTIONS OR WHATEVER REPAIRS MAY BE NECESSARY AND THAT WOULD BE DONE THROUGH A LEAN PROCESS. AND WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH OUR TOWN ATTORNEY AND 
          THERE IS THERE IS CASE LAW. >> THERE IS STATE LAW THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR US TO DO THAT. 
          SO IT'S A PRETTY FAIRLY SIMPLE PROCESS. AND THERE OTHER COMMUNITIES IN THE STATE THAT DO HAVE PRESERVATION BY NEGLECT ORDINANCES. 
          WE'VE HAD IT BEFORE IN THE PAST. AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO IT, WHY IT WENT AWAY. BUT WE DO BELIEVE THAT IT'S NECESSARY AND THERE ARE SOME BUILDINGS AROUND TOWN THAT YOU MAY BE AWARE OF WHERE THIS MAY APPLY BECAUSE THIS IS A TEXT AMENDMENT. THERE IS CERTAIN REVIEW CRITERIA THAT HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED AND THE AMENDMENTS DO COMPLY WITH ALL OF THEM INCLUDING CONSISTENCY WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS WELL AS THE TOWN'S STRATEGIC PLAN. 
          THIS IS A BEST PLANNING PRACTICE AND IT'S BECOMING A MORE COMMON APPROACH TO PRESERVATION AND COMMUNITY ACROSS THE COUNTRY. IT WILL ASSIST WITH THE WELFARE OF TOWN BY ENSURING THAT WE'RE KEEPING OUR OLDER HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND KEEPING THE COMMUNITY FROM BECOMING BLIGHTED. THERE IS NO EFFECT ON PUBLIC SERVICES AND THIS IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPLICATIONS MANUAL. 
          >> THE ACTION TONIGHT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD BE TO EITHER APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS IT'S BEEN SUBMITTED THE X THE FULL TAX HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU. 
          YOU CAN MAKE AMENDMENTS TO THE TAX IT'S BEEN PROPOSED OR YOU CAN DENY IT IF IT MOVES FORWARD NIGHT IT WILL BE REVIEWED BY TOWN COUNCIL AT THEIR AUGUST 10TH MEETING WITH A FINAL AND 
          READING AND A PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 14TH. >> WE DO HAVE AN EFFECTIVE DATE SHOWING IS JANUARY 1ST 2022. WE HAVE SOME OTHER AMENDMENTS RELATED TO PRESERVATION THAT WE'D LIKE TO HAVE PACKAGE TOGETHER AND FOR THEM TO BECOME EFFECTIVE TOGETHER ON JANUARY 1ST AND ADAM BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SLIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE 
          PRESERVATION PLAN WHILE YOU'RE GOING THERE. >> IF I COULD JUST POINT OF CLARIFICATION IT'S A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OR DENIAL FOR THIS EVENING AND 
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THEN ALSO PRIOR TO A VOTE. THIS IS PUBLIC HEARINGS. WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU YOU KNOW, OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          SO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE DID THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF IT TO DO THAT. 
          >> BUT YOU DON'T NECESSARILY DO THAT RIGHT THIS MOMENT. >> SO I'M NOT CERTAIN WHICH 
          SLIDE I THINK IT MAY BE THIS ONE. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> I JUST WANT TO READ YOU, OK? THANK YOU. MAY HAVE GONE A LITTLE TOO 
          FAST. THANK YOU. >> APOLOGIZE. 
          I WAS I HAD TO STEP OUT FOR A MINUTE. ARE WE SAYING THAT THERE ISN'T ANYTHING IN EFFECT RIGHT NOW? THERE IS NOT ONLY THE BUILDING CODE IS IN EFFECT. 
          SO IF WE SEE A BUILDING THAT'S OPEN, FOR EXAMPLE, WE MAY REQUIRE THAT THE YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO DOORS NO WINDOWS OF NEGLECT THAT WE HAD BEFORE. I THINK IT'S ATTACHMENT 3 AND WHY IT DID NOT MAKE IT TO THE UTICA. I DON'T KNOW WHAT CLERICAL OR SOMETHING THE CODE WAS THAT THE UNIFIED CODE OR THE JUST ZONING CODE AND IT WAS THERE. 
          >> BUT THEN WHEN THE UNIT WAS CREATED THAT SECTION WAS JUST NOT INCLUDED INTO THE NEW CODE . WHEN DID THAT CHANGE OVER FROM THE 2011 BASICALLY THAT I CAN THINK OF TWO STRUCTURES IN PARTICULAR THAT ARE JUST WASTING AWAY RIGHT NOW. 
          >> NOBODY IS DOING ANYTHING. WE HAVE NO POWER OR THE TOWN HAS NO POWER RIGHT NOW TO DO 
          ANYTHING UNDER CURRENT CODE TO DO IT. >> CORRECT. 
          FIRST. THANK YOU. I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT PREVENTING THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. 
          AND YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB WITH THAT. MY QUESTION IS AND I'M I PUT MYSELF IN THE SEAT OF A PROPERTY OWNER. WHAT IF YOU'RE COMING UP TO A BUILDING THAT IS LITERALLY ALREADY FALLING APART AND IT WOULD BE JUST INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE TO RESTORE IT OR PRESERVE IT? IS THERE ANY CRITERIA THAT THE TOWN IS GOING TO USE TO SAY IT'S TOO FAR GONE? WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUSH THIS 
          ONE. >> POTENTIALLY. AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE INVESTIGATION PROCESS AT I MEAN THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE TOWN TO HAVE ASSISTANCE FROM A CONSULTANT OR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER OR PERHAPS TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. 
          >> SOMETIMES THE PROPERTY OWNERS WILL PROVIDE THEIR OWN ASSESSMENT. 
          BUT IF YOU'VE BEEN TO I ACTUALLY HAD SOME PHOTOS I TOOK OUT SOME PHOTOS FROM SAVANNAH WHERE THE BUILDINGS LOOKED LITERALLY LIKE THEY WERE ABOUT TO FALL DOWN THAT HAD BEEN REHABILITATED AND HISTORIC. I MEAN THE FOUNDATION HAS A REVOLVING FUND AND THROUGH THAT FUND THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO SAVE A NUMBER OF BUILDINGS THROUGHOUT THE CITY WHICH YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY THAT COULD HAPPEN HERE AS WELL. YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S NECESSARY TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO HELP THE PROPERTY OWNER AND ESPECIALLY TO HELP TO HELP THEM LOOK FOR FUNDING THAT MAY NOT BE AVAILABLE. SO I THINK THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE AS COMPARED TO THE PREVIOUS ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE IS MORE COLLABORATIVE AND REALLY WILL MAKE THE ATTEMPT TO TRY TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO SAVE BUILDINGS AND NOT HAVE IT BE PUNITIVE. SO I THINK YOU KNOW, I THINK ALL BUILDINGS CAN BE SAVED IF 
          IT COMES DOWN TO A MATTER OF MONEY TO BE ABLE TO DO IT. >> I'D LIKE TO SAY I'M PERSONALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS. BEEN WAITING FOR THIS A VERY LONG TIME. 
          THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION ACTUALLY A COUPLE. 
          IS THERE ANY REASON FOR THAT? THE TOWN COULDN'T BE WORKING WITH SOME OF THE NEGLECTED PROPERTIES CURRENTLY TO TRY TO BRITAIN TO FIND FUNDING TO BRING THOSE PROPERTIES UP TO 
          PAR AND CREATE PLAN NOW I WOULD SAY. >> WELL, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK TURN HERE. I THINK WE CAN DO THAT WHEN WE DON'T HAVE A PROPERTY MAINTENANCE ORDINANCE THAT MAKES IT SOMEWHAT DIFFICULT. THIS JUST ESTABLISHES THE PROCESS AND IT PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR APPEALS IF IF THE PROPERTY OWNER IS NOT IN AGREEMENT. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO SOME PROPERTY OWNERS WHERE YOU KNOW, IF WE'VE SEEN SOMETHING YOU KNOW, A BROKEN WINDOW, PERHAPS A HOLE IN THE ROOF WE HAVE REACHED OUT AND THEY HAVE MADE THOSE CORRECTIONS. 
          BUT IT MAY NOT BE ENOUGH IN SOME CASES, PARTICULARLY IF A PROPERTY OWNER IS NOT WANTING TO DO THAT AT LEAST NOW WE HAVE SOME SOME TEETH TO BE ABLE TO AT PURSUE A BIT MORE AND I 
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THINK WE JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF THE ABILITY RIGHT NOW TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          >> IS THERE AN ASSESSMENT OF THE NUMBER OF PROPERTIES THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED 
          NEGLECTED AT THIS POINT? >> I MEAN IS THERE AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE ARE PURSUING. 
          WE ACTUALLY HAVE HIRED A HISTORIC PRESERVATIONIST AS OF EARLIER THIS MONTH AND HE HAS BEEN TASKED WITH GOING OUT AND LOOKING AT THE CONDITIONS OF ALL OF OUR STRUCTURES, MAKING A DETERMINATION IF SOME LOOKED TO BE IN A CONDITION THAT REALLY NEED TO BE WE'RE IN INTERVENTION IT IS IMMEDIATELY NECESSARY OR OR SHOULD BE PURSUED RATHER QUICKLY. 
          SO WE ARE WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT RIGHT NOW. >> IS THERE ARE THERE ANY PROPERTIES THAT EVENTUALLY SOMEONE WOULD HAVE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY? I THINK IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE. BUT THIS IS WHY I'M ASKING BECAUSE OF THE TIMELINE OF THIS WINDOW WITH WHEN THAT WAS NOT WHERE THIS ORDINANCE WASN'T IN PLACE. COULD IT BE POSSIBLE SOMEBODY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY? NO, IT WASN'T IDENTIFIED AS A HISTORIC CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND NOW THEY'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE IT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED SUBSEQUENT TO THEIR PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY THAT NOW PUTS A BURDEN ON THEM THAT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE EXPECTED WHEN THEY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY. 
          >> THE 82 STRUCTURES HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AS CONTRIBUTING SINCE 2008. 
          SO I WOULD THINK ANYONE WHO PURCHASED PROPERTY SINCE THAT TIME WOULD HAVE DONE THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AND HAVE BEEN AWARE THAT THEY PURCHASED A PROPERTY THAT HAD A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME ADDITIONAL STEPS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE AWARE OF IF THEY WANT TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY LIKE IN 2008 TO BOXERS. I MEAN PEOPLE KNEW WORKSHOPS AND I MEAN THEY KNEW WHEN THEY 
          BECAME CONTRIBUTING STAFF NOT LIKE ANYBODY WAS BLINDSIDED. >> THERE WAS ALSO A CERTIFIED MAILINGS THAT WENT OUT AND WE HAVE THE RETURN RECEIPTS OF OF ALL OF THOSE. 
          BUT YOU COULD HAVE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY SAY 2006 PRIOR TO THE DETERMINATION OF THIS WHERE YOU 
          WEREN'T NECESSARILY. >> BUT I BELIEVE BACK THEN THERE WERE DIFFERENT WORKSHOPS THAT HAPPEN FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE AWARE THERE WERE I WAS ON COUNCIL THAT THERE WERE I MEAN EVERY PROPERTY OWNER OF THE CONTRIBUTING THEY WERE MADE AWARE SUBSEQUENT AFTER THEY PURCHASED THEY COULD THEY COULD HAVE PERHAPS I'M NOT COMMUNICATING WELL OR PERHAPS I'M NOT HEARING COMMUNITY RECEIVING THE RESPONSE WELL BUT YOU COULD HAVE BOUGHT THOSE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY IN 2006 PRIOR TO THIS 2008 CHANGE AND AT THE TIME THAT WASN'T CONSIDERED A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE 2008 THE RULES CHANGE NOW SUDDENLY YOU HAVE A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE THAT MAY HAVE BEEN BASICALLY FALLING IN AT THE TIME THAT MIGHT STILL BE 
          HANGING ON BY A RING BUT NOW THE TOWN WANTS YOU TO BREAK. >> THAT'S GOING TO STRONG ARM YOU TO BRING BACK UP TO SPEED. THAT TO ME SEEMS LIKE AN UNDUE BURDEN. 
          AND WE'RE GOING FORWARD AND FROM LIKE WE HAVE THE 82 THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT AND WE'RE GOING FORWARD. WELL, HEIDI, I DO I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BUT THERE WERE BY MY MEMORY JUST FROM HAVING BEEN ON COUNCIL THEN THERE WERE TWO THINGS ON THAT. 
          >> FIRST OF ALL, THEY WEREN'T DEEMED CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES IF THEY WERE FALLING APART. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, FRANKIE COBURN HAS SOME PROPERTIES NEXT TO THE PROMENADE THAT WERE CAVED IN THAT COULD HAVE BEEN CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THEY DETERMINED THEY WEREN'T BECAUSE THEY WERE TOO FAR GONE OK. AND NUMBER TWO, EVERYBODY WHO OWNED A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT THEY WANTED TO MAKE A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK AS TO WHY IF THEY DIDN'T BELIEVE IT WAS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. NOW I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT HAPPENED WHEN BOTH SIDES DISAGREED IF IF THAT INDEED DID HAPPEN ON IT. 
          >> BUT I DO KNOW THAT PROCESS HAPPENED IN 0 8 0 7 ACTUALLY. AND THEN JOEY, THANK YOU. 
          >> WHAT IF I'M A PROPERTY OWNER NOW I SAID I SAID LIKE YOU MR. IF I'M A PROPERTY AND I'M AND I'M IN POSSESSION OF SOMETHING THAT I KNOW THAT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT UP TO SPEED BUT I DON'T 
          HAVE THE FUNDS AND I'VE AND I'M HEARING THAT THERE WAS. >> BUT NOW I'VE GOT TO GO I HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH HOOPS. ALL RIGHT. THE TOWN'S COMING SAYS YOU'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING. AND NOW MY WHOLE LIFE I HAVE TO DEDICATE TO SWITCHING TO TAKE CARE OF AND ADDRESS THIS BY EITHER PROVIDING A TON OF DOCUMENTATION THAT I WASN'T PLANNING ON DOING. I MIGHT HAVE TO HIRE A LAWYER. I'VE GOT TO TAKE TIME OUT OF MY 
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BUSY WORK DAY TO COME MEET WITH PEOPLE. THIS IS AS A PROPERTY OWNER. 
          THIS WOULD BE A LOT NOW MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING SOMETHING OVER THE LAST 10 15 YEARS TO HAVE PREVENTED THIS SITUATION BUT NEVERTHELESS IT STILL PUTS ME IT WOULD PUT ME 
          IN A BIND. >> CURRENTLY AND I'M IN A SITUATION WHERE I'M LOOKING I MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET FUNDS FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE EVEN IF I'M IN AN ECONOMIC HARDSHIP AND AND TOWNS WANTING TO PUT MORE ECONOMIC BURDEN ON BY POTENTIALLY FINDING ME EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT ABLE TO DO IT AND THEY CAN'T PROMISE. YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE WILLING TO WORK BUT YOU CAN'T PROMISE IT. IT MAKES ME IT MAKES ME NERVOUS. 
          APPLYING A PUNITIVE PROCESS TO THIS. I UNDERSTAND THE REASON WHY IT'S BEING DONE BUT IT WOULDN'T HURT ME AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PROPERTIES ARE ACTUALLY AFFECTED BY THIS BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A THERE'S NOT A ASSESSMENT OF THAT FOR ME TO LOOK AT. THAT MAY NOT BE A POTENTIAL ISSUE FOR ANYBODY THAT IS ON 
          THIS ON THESE HOMES. >> WELL, LET EMPHASIZED THAT AGAIN THIS IS A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS. WE KNOW THAT EVERY PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT AND THE CIRCUMSTANCES THE FINANCIAL ABILITIES ARE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT FOR DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS. SO WE WANT TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO WORK WITH PROPERTY OWNERS IF THEY'RE HAVING FINANCIAL DIFFICULTIES AND THEY SIMPLY CANNOT DO IT. 
          WE'LL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN . 
          AND IT MAY BE THAT THE TYPES OF REPAIRS THAT ARE NECESSARY MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE BUT AT LEAST WE CAN DO SOMETHING TO SECURE THE BUILDING SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER DETERIORATION. THERE WILL BE NO FINES. IT'S NOT WRITTEN INTO THE ORDINANCE. SO I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR TO YOU KNOW AND IT MAY BE SOMETHING YOU KNOW AGAIN I REALLY CANNOT OVEREMPHASIZE IS THIS IS A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS. WE DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO PUT A BURDEN ON SOMEONE. WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE HARDSHIPS BUT WE WANT TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT WE DO PRESERVE THE FEW BUILDINGS THAT WE HAVE AND WE'VE ALREADY LOST SOME AND THERE'S STILL THE ABILITY TO APPLY FOR REQUEST FOR DEMOLITION IF THE BUILDINGS TOO FAR GONE THE PROPERTY OWNER JUST DOESN'T WANT TO DEAL WITH IT. 
          THEY CAN FILE AN APPLICATION TO HAVE THE BUILDING DEMOLISH OR THEY CAN DO A REQUEST TO COUNCIL TO ASK THAT THE STATUS BE REMOVED FROM THE STRUCTURE AND THEN IT CAN BE DEMOLISH THAT ROUTE. SO THERE ARE OTHER MECHANISMS AVAILABLE TO THIS PROCESS MAKE THAT PROCESS MORE CHALLENGING ADDING THIS I DON'T THINK SO BECAUSE THROUGH THIS PROCESS WE MAY WE MAY COME TO THAT CONCLUSION OURSELVES IS A TOWN THAT PERHAPS OR SOMETHING THAT 
          CAN'T BE SAVED. >> YOU KNOW, WE THE SARAH RILEY HOOK'S COTTAGE WAS ONE THAT WAS DETERIORATING AND THE TOWN ACTUALLY STEPPED IN AND PURCHASED IT. 
          SO THERE YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE SOME ABILITY FOR THE TOWN TO DO THAT AGAIN. 
          THAT'S NOT A PROMISED ANY PROPERTY OWNER. BUT INDIVIDUALLY WE'LL LOOK AT THE CIRCUMSTANCES AND THEN WORK ON A PLAN AND TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO SAVE THE BUILDING. 
          >> THE PROCESS FOR DETERMINING THESE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES. I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT THEY HAD TO HAVE SOME HISTORICAL REFERENCE ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE GOT RUNNING IN THE BACK OF MY MIND AS THE GOOSE YO PROJECT WHICH IS THE PROPERTY WHICH THEY WERE HAD TO WORK REALLY HARD TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT BUILDING DEMOLISHED IN ORDER TO PUT A NEW HOME ON THEIR WHICH DIDN'T HAVE A SIGNIFICANT EVENT REALLY WASN'T ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT AND WAS LITERALLY FALLING APART AND IT WAS ONE HECK OF A BATTLE FOR THEM. THEY HAD TO GET A PETITION AND HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE SIGN AND IT WAS IT WAS A DAUNTING TASK FOR THEM TO TAKE ON TO DO. AND I'M I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE SOMEBODY ELSE HAVE TO GO THROUGH SOME. I LIKE THE REST OF THE 
          COMMISSION. >> I WANT TO PRESERVE BLUFFTON BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AS PART OF OUR SENSE OF PLACE AND CHARACTER. BUT I'M ALSO SENSITIVE TO PROPERTY RIGHTS. AND SO I'M NERVOUS ABOUT DOING THIS BECAUSE I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT POSITION IT CAN PUT INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE THESE PROPERTIES. 
          >> DOES IT FEEL LIKE THIS AT LEAST GIVES US VERBIAGE OF WHAT TO DO, WHAT CAN BE DONE? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE NOTHING NOTHING TO GO BY. SO I THINK THIS IS A FIRST OF HAVING SOMETHING FOR PROPERTY OWNERS FOR APPLICANTS TO LOOK AT AND READ AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE WE HAVE NOTHING AND THEY'VE HIRED A PRESERVATIONIST IN LIKE HE'S GOING TO GO OUT. 
          I MEAN I'VE MET HIM THE OTHER DAY AND HE SEEMS LIKE HE'S GOING TO BE VERY DILIGENT IN 
          LOOKING INTO EACH OF THESE STRUCTURES. >> SO HE MAY FIND SOMETHING ISN'T CONTRIBUTING OR THERE MIGHT MIGHT BE NO WAY FAR GONE BUT IT'S GOT TO START SOMEWHERE 
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          AND LIKE THEY HAVEN'T HAD THAT YET. >> SO I THINK WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE BECAUSE IF NOT WE'RE GONNA BE STUCK DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND IT'S NEVER GONNA GET BETTER AND WE HAVE TO PROTECT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          I MEAN THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR. THAT'S WHAT WE WE ARE. 
          NO, I JUST THINK THAT WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE AND I THINK THAT THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB OF RECOGNIZING AND THEY ARE TRYING TO PARTNER UP AND COME UP WITH THESE DIFFERENT PLANS. 
          >> NOW THERE ARE THINGS GOING ON ON THE SCENE THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT BUT THEY'RE TRYING 
          TO HELP PEOPLE THAT CAN'T AFFORD TO. >> I CAN TELL YOU A BUNCH OF PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD TO DO BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SIT THERE AND FIND THEM EVERY SECOND FOR NOT DOING IT. THEY'RE GOING TO TRY AND HELP AND FACILITATE SOME TYPE OF RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN ANOTHER ENTITY TO HELP THEM SO THAT WE CAN PRESERVE THE HISTORY BECAUSE IT'S NOT ABOUT HURTING THE PROPERTY OWNER. IT'S ABOUT PRESERVING HISTORY AND THE WHO'S THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES. SO I THINK IT'S THIS IS LIKE SUPER IMPORTANT. I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH BOTH OF YOU ON THIS ONE. 
          THIS MIGHT HELP. I DON'T KNOW IF HE CAUGHT IT BECAUSE I DIDN'T INITIALLY. 
          IF THERE IS A CONFLICT LIKE THAT WHERE THE PROPERTY OWNER IS JUST LIKE I CAN'T AFFORD THIS. I CAN'T DO THIS. I DON'T AGREE WITH THEM OR WHATEVER. IF I'M READING THIS RIGHT AND PLEASE CONFIRM IF I AM THAT THREE POINT TO SIX POINT FIVE THEY CAN APPEAL TO THE HPC WHICH IS JUST LIKE WE ARE CITIZENS AND BUSINESS OWNERS IN THE TOWN THAT HOPEFULLY WOULD USE ALMOST LIKE A THIRD PARTY COMMON SENSE OF OK, WE WANT A TOWN WANTS IT FIXED PROPERTY OWNER CAN'T FIX IT. 
          >> WHAT'S A GOOD RESOLUTION AND THAT MAY BE THE I DON'T KNOW THERE MAY BE SOMETHING THAT 
          HELPS WITH A COMFORT LEVEL ON THAT. >> IT'S WRITTEN IN THERE. 
          WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE STEPS ARE. RIGHT. WHICH IS TO YOUR POINT OF THIS KIND OF CODIFIES THAT WE'VE BEEN IN A VERY GRAY AREA OBVIOUSLY FOR 10 YEARS, SCARES THE OUT OF ME AND WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THAT. 
          >> I DON'T KNOW. IT JUST DISAPPEARED. SO NOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S REAL LIKE CAN'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THAT HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS COMING 
          THROUGH. >> IS THAT GOING TO BE POTENTIALLY ADDING ANY PROPERTIES, IDENTIFYING ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES THAT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED HISTORIC STRUCTURES WHILE USING THEIR OWN MORE THERE AND OR WHAT MIGHT IT ELIMINATE OR REMOVE ANY OF THE PROPERTIES FROM THAT LIST? NO, AT THIS TIME NO. 
          IT'S NOT RECOGNIZED THAT THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES IN OLD TOWN AND NOTHING WILL BE REMOVED. SO IT WILL BE THE EIGHTY TWO AND WE HAVE UPDATED THE HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY WHICH WILL BE MOVING FORWARD TO TOWN COUNCIL THIS FALL OVER AGAIN 
          PRIOR TO MAKING ANY RECOMMENDATION. >> IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO OPEN IT UP OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK FOR COMMENTS. 
          CHEAT SHEET. SORRY. >> OK. 
          SO I NEED TO OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING. YES. 
          AND WE HAVE SOMEONE THAT'S BEEN WAITING THIS WHOLE TIME FOR YOUR NAME. 
          WONDER RIGHT. BUT WHY ON THIS DAY FOR THE DAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS ARE THE RECORD JOE FRASER. FRASER CONSTRUCTION. WE JUST HAPPENED TO HAVE A NEW CLIENT THAT HAS PURCHASED THE COBURN PROPERTY. VERY INTERESTED IN PRESERVING THE TWO CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES THAT ARE ON THAT PROPERTY PARTICULARLY THE RED DOT LIQUOR STORE. THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING REALLY NEEDS IMMEDIATE ATTENTION. 
          >> THE PROCESS TO GET APPROVED TO DO BASICALLY ANYTHING OF THE KIND OF THINGS YOU KNOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN REPAIRS IS EXPENSIVE AND BURDENSOME AND TIME CONSUMING. 
          AND YOU WANT MOST OF YOUR CONVERSATIONS HAS REALLY BEEN ABOUT PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE STRUCTURES AND ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT. YOU GONNA LET THEM DETERIORATE ,FALL DOWN AND THEN WANT TO DEMOLISH THEM LIKE YOU ALL KNOW SOME BUILDINGS THAT THAT IS WHAT THIS DOESN'T ADDRESS IS FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO WOULD LIKE TO TAKE AN IMMEDIATE 
          ACTION. >> HOW DO YOU STREAMLINE IT? HOW DO YOU MAKE IT? HOW DO YOU WORK WITH THEM SO THAT THEY CAN RESPOND QUICKLY? YOU KNOW ON THE RED DOT LIQUOR STORE, YOU KNOW THAT THE ROOF NEEDS PROBABLY TO BE REFRAMED. THEY WANT TO PRESERVE IT. 
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BUT YOU KNOW, IT'LL TAKE YOU KNOW, TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS TO DEVELOP A PLAN. 
          >> GO THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE OR BOARDS THAT HAVE TO APPROVE IT. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE'S A FOUR OR FIVE MONTH PROCESS THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF THIS ALSO HAD SOMETHING OR THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT HAS THE RESOURCES IN IT WANTS TO DO SOMETHING TO BE 
          ABLE TO TO DO IT QUICKLY. >> I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT DOING A TOTAL RENOVATION. 
          BUT HOW DO YOU SHORE IT UP SO THAT IT DOESN'T DEGRADE ANY FURTHER THAT WOULD BE MY 
          COMMENT THERE. >> SO I THINK CHARLIE YOU TOUCHED ON THAT THOUGH THAT TALKING ABOUT STREAMLINING AT SOME POINT AND WHEN YOU WERE TALKING IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU TALKING ABOUT HOW THE TOWN COULD BE WELL, I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING YOU WHAT SHE SAID THAT 
          SOUNDED LIKE STREAMLINING. >> WELL, MAYBE NOT STREAM BUT HELPING GET THROUGH THE PROCESS 
          BETTER BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND I AND I'M STARTING THEM FASTER. >> BUT YES, FASTER MAYBE AT A STAFF LEVEL VS. THE WHOLE PROCESS. I MEAN I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING 
          THEY HAVE TO WORK OUT. >> YEAH. IF THE STAFF COULD HAVE MORE. 
          OH I AGREE. >> NO DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY AND CERTAIN CONDITIONS IT WOULD BE CERTAINLY BENEFICIAL TO ONE PROPERTY THAT THAT THAT MY SAFETY IS LIKE THE ULTIMATE 
          THING WE HAVE DONE. >> AND SO I MEAN I AGREE IF THERE IS A WAY THAT STAFF CAN BE INVOLVED QUICKER TO GET THESE THINGS RECTIFIED. I MEAN I COMPLETELY AGREE TO ADD THAT TO THAT PROCESS BECAUSE THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN OUR NEW STRUCTURE REMODEL OR WHATEVER. I MEAN THAT WHOLE PROCESS IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. 
          SO VIDEO ADMINISTRATOR RELIEF SELF AGREES AGAIN THAT THE WHOLE POINT IS THAT THE 
          PRESERVATION PLAN IS ON A STAFF LEVEL. >> SO YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE 
          OPPORTUNITY TO GO OUT THERE. WE DO THE ASSESSMENT. >> WE COME UP AND WE REACH OUT TO THE APPLICANT ARE NOT THE APPLICANT BUT THE OWNER AND GET THEM IN AND START GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS. SO IT'S NOT IT'S NOT WAITING 30 DAYS TO BRING IT IN FRONT OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION. IT IS WORKING WITH STAFF TO COME UP WITH THAT PLAN FOR FOR THAT. NOW IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY SITUATION FOR EMERGENCY STABILIZATION AND SOMEONE WANTED TO STABILIZE SOMETHING, THEY CAN DO THAT. THEY DON'T NECESSARILY NEED A A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO TO STABILIZE A BUILDING. NOW IF THEY ARE LOOKING TO MAKE RENOVATIONS TO IT, THEN YES, OF COURSE THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY. BUT YOU KNOW, FOR THE PURPOSE OF LIKE YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, INSTALL STABILIZING WHATEVER FROM A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT TO TO KEEP THIS ROOF UP LIKE YOU CAN DO THAT WITH THE INTENT OF WE'RE GOING TO 
          COME BACK IN AND MAKE THE NECESSARY CHANGES. >> I WAS ACTUALLY TALKING TO RICHARD'S BIRTHDAY TODAY ABOUT THAT BUILDING AND HE TIME AT HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND DIFFERENT THINGS AND HE HAD SAID WELL THEY CAME AND YOU KNOW, IT'S FALLING DOWN. 
          SO I WAS LIKE OF COURSE YOU CAN STAY YOU KNOW, PUT THEM TWO BY FOURS UP TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW, OF COURSE WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND HELP YOU BE ABLE TO STABILIZE THAT. 
          >> BUT I MEAN THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING YOU KNOW WHAT IT REALLY NEEDS YOU KNOW, FOR THE ROTTEN WOOD THAT'S IN THE ROOF TO COME OUT WHICH MEANS YOU GET TO TAKE PART OF THE ROOF OFF AND REFRAME IT AND PUT A GOOD WATERPROOF ROOF ON IT. PRETTY EASY TO TO DO, YOU KNOW, 
          BASICALLY REPLACE EXACTLY WHAT'S THERE. >> BUT THAT'S MORE THAN JUST STABILIZING AT THAT POINT. IS THAT MORE LIKE IF HE'S JUST REDOING THE ROOF MAYBE KATIE CAN ANSWER IS THAT MORE OF A SITE FEATURE APPLICATION SO YOU COULD DO THAT AND THAT'S QUICKER THAN GOING THROUGH ANY HPC STUFF BECAUSE THAT'S A STAFF LEVEL SITE FEATURE BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT CHANGING THE YOU'RE NOT MAKING A GABLE ROOF. YOU'RE PUTTING IT RIGHT BACK TO WHAT IT WAS. SO THOSE ARE THE QUICKER IF I COULD. 
          >> GREAT CONVERSATION. HOWEVER, FOR PUBLIC HEARING PURPOSES ARE A UNION TEXT. 
          WE JUST I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS ARE FOCUSED AND I'M NOT I'M NOT TRY TO STOP THE CONVERSATION AND WE CAN WE CAN EASILY CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION AFTERWARDS FOR 
          THAT. >> BUT JUST FROM A FOCUSING STANDPOINT THAT WE'RE NOT FOCUS SPECIFICALLY ON THE RED DOT. RIGHT. BUT RATHER THE CODE THAT ADDRESSES ALL OF THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          SO YOU'VE HEARD EVERYTHING VERY ,VERY YOU KNOW THERE ARE ANY. >> I DON'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF 
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THERE, JOE. THERE ARE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS. OKAY. 
          SO PUBLIC NOTICE IS CLOSED. YES. >> THANK YOU AGAIN. 
          I'VE LOST MY OR ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR DO WE HAVE TO DO THAT OUR RECOMMENDATION? WELL, YOU STILL NEED TO VOTE FOR A RECOMMENDATION. IT'S JUST A RECOMMENDATION OR BOTH. AND WHILE YOU'RE VOTING TO RECOMMEND APPROVED APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS OR RECOMMEND DENIAL AND THEN THE NEXT STEP WAS THAT THIS WOULD GO TO TOWN 
          COUNCIL FOR A FIRST READING. >> OK, SO CAN I GET A MOTION FOR A RECOMMENDATION, LARRY, I MOVE TO APPROVE AMENDMENTS TO THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON CODE ORDINANCES CHAPTER 23 UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE ARTICLE 3 APPLICATION PROCESS TO ESTABLISH SECTION 3 TO 6 PROACTIVE PRESERVATION AND MAINTENANCE OF CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. 
          >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION THAT YOU ASKED? OKAY. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY. OKAY SO NOW DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT? 
          >> NO. THERE'S NO OTHER ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION OFTEN. 
          CAN I GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN MOVED SO I CAN. >> ALL RIGHT. 
          WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT ON
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