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          REFINING WELCOME TO THE FIRST QUARTER OF FISCAL YEAR 20 21, 20 22. 
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YOU FOR COUNTY TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE MEETING. 
          UM, WE'LL START OFF WITH ROLL CALL. 
          ELIZABETH. 
          WOULD YOU BE SECOND, MR. BACKER? HERE, HERE, MR. FLORES. 
          MR. GLOVER, MR. BORDEN HERE. 
          MR. MCCAIN. 
          YES, MA'AM MS. GREG SELLERS. 
          SHE'S A SKEWED, IS IT THE WINSLOW, MR. ? IT IS TYPICAL ALSO FOR US TO HAVE INTRODUCTIONS OF THE GUESTS SITTING IN THE ROOM. 
          ELIZABETH, YOU START THINGS OFF. 
          WE'RE MORE ON THE RESUME. 
          CONSTRUCTION ENGINEER, JARED  ENGINEERING, EDUCATION ENGINEERING, ENGINEERING, AND A PERSON ENTERING THE ROOM. 
          YOU STEPPED IN ROSS GREETINGS. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          WE DO HAVE A QUORUM OR YOU ALL RISE FOR THE TYPE OF LEADER. 
           THANK YOU. 
          THIS IS FUN TO COMMENT, PERIOD. 
          NUMBER ONE, IS THERE ANY MONEY HERE? WE SHOULD MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT CONCERNING OUR AGENDA. 
          SEE, NONE. 
          WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM. 
          NUMBER FOUR WAS MAY 19TH, 2021. 
          IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MEETING MINUTES? YES, SIR. 
          CHAIRMAN, THERE ARE TWO, I BELIEVE MINOR CHANGES NEEDED TO BE MADE ON THE LAST PAGE OF THE MINUTES. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S THREE PLACES SHOULD BE . 
          THAT IS CORRECT. 
          IT APPEARS IN THREE PLACES. 
          SO NO. 
          IS THERE ANY OTHER CORRECTIONS WITH THAT MR. FORCE? WOULD YOU CARE TO MAKE A MOTION WITH THAT WAS AMENDED. 
          I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES OF WHAT IS IT? MAY 19TH, MAY 19TH WITH THE CHANGES. 
          DO I HAVE A SECOND FOR THE DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          OKAY. 
          ITEM FIVE IS OLD BUSINESS AND WE'LL START OFF WITH, UH, S C D O T FISCAL YEAR 2021 PROJECT STATUS, AND I BELIEVE WERE GOING TO DO THAT. 
          GREG, DO YOU HAVE A HANDOUT FOR US? YOU HAVE A HANDOUT FOR US BY CHANCE. 
          PLEASE DO COME ON UP TO THE PODIUM. 
          IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE. 
          THIS IS A TRIBAL FIRE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ESSENTIALLY IN BEAVER COUNTY RIGHT NOW, UH, WE'VE GOT 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 PROJECTS IN D ACCOUNTING. 
          ANY PHASE FROM STARTING UP TO CLOSE OUT, INCLUDING PUNCH-LIST. 
          UM, THE FIRST ONE IS, IS SOUTH CAROLINA PHONE NUMBER THIRTY FIFTY ONE, WHICH PRIMARILY RIGHT NOW IS DOWN ON, UM, S S C 46 EAST DOWN, DOWN IN BLUFFTON, DOWN AT THE ROUNDABOUT. 
          THAT PROJECT IS CURRENTLY AND PHIL, UM, THAT IS GOING RIGHT NOW. 
          WE'VE GOT WELL BACK UP, EVERYTHING ELSE, JUST PAVEMENT MARKINGS AND FINAL PAVEMENT MARKINGS TO BE COMPLETE. 
          AND ON ESPORT, SINCE YOU'RE LOOKING ABOUT TWO MINUTES LEFT ON THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          FOR FUTURE REFERENCE, IF YOU WOULD BE SO KIND, JUST GIVE US A FLOW CHART, KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT FOR NOT ONLY THIS YEAR, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE STANDING. 
          WE'RE WHERE ARE YOU WITH THE 2021, THE PROJECTS FOR NEXT YEAR? HAVE YOU GONE OUT TO BID YET? UM, I'VE I'VE GOT A SEPARATE SLIDE FOR THAT. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          FOR WHAT WE'VE GOT THAT JUST GOT AWARDED AND THEN ALSO WHAT'S COMING UP IN THE AUGUST. 
          LETTINGS 
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THAT'D BE GREAT. 
          YES. 
          I APPRECIATE PROVIDING THAT. 
          BRUCE NOT ABRUPTLY, UM, UH, 6, 5 43 20, WHICH WAS WORK OUT, SIT HERE ON  THAT IS ENCLOSED OUT CURRENTLY, UH, AS SEE PHONE NUMBER ZERO SEVEN NINE ZERO NINE FOUR ZERO, WHICH WAS THE INTERSECTION OF WORK BEING DONE AT SC ONE 70 AND PARASOL AND GATEWAY. 
          THAT PROJECT IS IN PUNCHLESS CURRENTLY. 
          AND SO THE SIGNALS THERE HAVE BEEN TURNED ON TO PAPER MARKS HAVE BEEN PUT DOWN ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE, HAVE A MAJOR IMPROVEMENT TO THAT INTERSECTION. 
          YES, SIR. 
          A LOT OF SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS THERE. 
          UM, NEXT ONE IS S C PHONE NUMBER FIVE SIX FIVE SIX TWO SIX ZERO. 
          UM, WE'RE DOING WHERE WE'VE DONE FINAL MARKINGS ON CHURCH ROAD. 
          WE'RE DOING A PARTIAL ACCEPTANCE ON CHURCH, RIGHT? THE SECOND HALF OF THAT IS THE ALLEN PARKWAY OUT ON HUNTING ISLAND THAT WORKED THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROLS ARE IN HAVE BEEN IN PLACE. 
          THAT WORK IS TEMPORARILY ON HOLD WITH A CHANGE WE'RE BEING COORDINATED WITH SOUTH CAROLINA PARKS AND RECREATION TOURISM. 
          UM, THE INTENT THERE IS WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE THE JULY COMMISSION MEETING IN COLUMBIA. 
          WE MISSED THAT DAY. 
          WE'RE GOING TO THE SEPTEMBER COMMISSION MEETING TO GET THE FUNDING FROM THE PARKS APPROVED TO DO REPAVING INSIDE THE PARK. 
          AND THEN ONCE WE FINISHED INSIDE THE PARK TO COME OUTSIDE THE PARK. 
          UM, SO THAT'LL BE LOOKING PROBABLY THE FOURTH QUARTER OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR AS BEING ON THE PARKWAY. 
          OH 6 9 9 5 6 5 6 9 0. 
          UM, THAT ONE'S GOT A COMPLETION DATE, ALAN TO JUNE OF 22. 
          SO NEXT YEAR, A LOT OF THAT WORK HAS ALREADY BEEN COMPLETE FROM SEA PINE CIRCLE WORELL BAY, UM, AS ALL COMPLETE CASTLE HALL, FRAMPTON AND BOUNDARY IS PENDING CURRENTLY. 
          AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE MODIFIED RECLAMATION OVERALL ON DRAYTON DRIVE, WHICH WAS, THAT'S STILL PENDING IN DESIGNER ANALYSIS, BUT I FORGOT THAT WAS STILL PROGRESSING FORWARD. 
          UM, 5, 6, 5 80 90, WHICH IS PRIMARILY WHAT EVERYONE'S LOOKING AT, STEWARD PORT AND BART CHURCH. 
          THE SCHEDULE THERE, THE CONTRACTOR, THERE IS ON ONE JOB SITE FOR US RIGHT NOW, THEN SWITCHING OVER TO STEWART POINT, WHICH THAT WORK WILL GET DONE BEFORE SCHOOL STARTS BACK AND THEN BURN CHARGE IS STILL PENDING. 
          WE SCHEDULE THE UPCOMING PROJECTS THAT YOU QUESTIONED. 
          UM, WE JUST AWARDED ONE TO BLIGHT HERE LOCALLY FOR JASPER COUNTY RESURFACING AND THEN US 2 78 INTERSECTIONS GOING DOWN TO 70 AT, THROUGH BLUFFTON AND HILTON HEAD. 
          UM, ANYTHING FROM TRYING TO DRAW SINGS TO TRAFFIC SIGNAL ARE SO GREAT. 
          THAT'S EVERYTHING I'VE GOT, SIR. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          LOOK FORWARD TO THE SLIDE. 
          HE'D GET ELIZABETH EMAIL ADDRESS. 
          SHE'LL SEE THAT WE GET, YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU, ELIZABETH. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? OKAY. 
          NEXT ITEM IS HERE FOR RESURFACING UPDATE. 
          ANDREA, THANK YOU, JEREMY GORDON. 
          SO A YEAR FOR RESURFACE UPDATE, UH, LET ME GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY. 
          FIRST OF ALL, THE, THE ENTIRE PROGRAM WAS ABOUT 12 AND A HALF MILES OF, UH, TREATMENT FOR A TOTAL WILL BE JUST OVER 2 MILLION, ABOUT 2 MILLION, $200,000, UM, WHERE IT SAYS WE'RE COMPLETED 75%. 
          THAT'S ACTUALLY, UH, PAID OUT THE MT. 
          INVOICE. 
          THE ACTUAL MILEAGE COMPLETED IS ABOUT 90% OR 11 OF THE 12 AND A HALF MILES THAT ARE IN THIS PROGRAM REMAINING. 
          WE MAPPED, WE HAVE ABOUT A MILE AND A QUARTER. 
          AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE SEVERAL ROADS STILL IN BLUFFTON, BUFORD AND HILTON HEAD. 
          BEFORE WE MOVE ON, I WANT TO MAKE A NOTE ABOUT, UH, GOFI ROAD IN LUFTON. 
          UM, WE MET DOWN THERE WITH A CONTRACTOR WHO, UH, BROUGHT UP SOME CONCERNS ABOUT DRAINAGE ON GO WITH YOUR ROAD. 
          IT'S A ROAD IT'S VERY SHORT IT'S FROM, UH, MAY RIVER TO HILDEBRAND OR, UM, I FORGET WHAT THE CROSSROAD IS THERE, BUT IT'S A VERY SHORT PATH. 
          THERE'S PARALLEL PARKING ON THE SIDE. 
          THERE'S COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES ON ONE SIDE AND RESIDENTIAL. 
          ON THE OTHER SIDE, IT'S KIND OF BEEN A TOGETHER, A PATCHWORK OF, OF BUFORD JASPER BEING IN THERE AND, AND, UH, WE HAVE SOME DRAINAGE ISSUES. 
          SO I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE REMOVE GUTHY 
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ROAD FROM YEAR FOUR PROGRAM, AND THAT WE DO SOME, UH, ADDITIONAL ENGINEERING TO SEE HOW WE CAN IMPROVE THE DRAINAGE ON THAT ROAD RATHER THAN JUST RESURFACING IT AND, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE SAME, THE SAME ISSUE. 
          SO I, I BRING THAT TO YOU FOR CONSIDERATION TO REMOVE THAT BEFORE WE MOVE ON. 
          DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT TOPIC WE'D LIKE TO MOVE IT INTO YOUR A FIVE YES, MARK AND MAKE A MOTION. 
          DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? THANK YOU, JENNY. 
          FOR THE DISCUSSION. 
          YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF, IF WE REMOVE IT, DO WE THEN ADD SOMETHING TO THE PROGRAM TO REPLACE IT, TO SPEND THAT MONEY IN THIS PARTICULAR? NO, WE'LL JUST TRANSFER THE MONEY INTO NEXT YEAR, RATHER THAN TRYING. 
          SINCE IT'S BEEN BID, THERE WILL BE SOME, OBVIOUSLY SOME ENGINEERING COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH DOING A SURVEY, REVIEWING WHAT THE DRAINAGE TO BE SEEING IF WE HAVE ANYTHING MAJOR TO DO BEFORE WE ACTUALLY RESURFACE IT. 
          SO THERE WILL BE SOME FUNDS. 
          I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY, AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, JUST AS A NOTE, UH, WE'RE GEARING UP FOR A YEAR FIVE A TO PUT THAT OUT FOR SOLICITATION SOMETIME IN THE FOURTH QUARTER OF, UH, OF, UH, THIS YEAR, UH, SECOND SLIDE, DIRT ROAD PAVING, UH, UPDATE FOR, UH, CONTRACTS, 51 52 AND 53 A YEAR. 
          ONE HAS BEEN UNDERWAY. 
          WE'RE DOING WELL THERE. 
          GEORGE WILLIAMS IS THE LAST ONE TO BE DONE AND WE ANTICIPATE IT WILL BE PAVED SOMETIME MID AUGUST RICE ROAD, SALICORNIA AND WARDS ARE ALL COMPLETE. 
          THAT WAS ABOUT A $2.1 MILLION, UM, EXPENDITURE ABOUT 1.6 MILES IN THAT PROGRAM. 
          YEAR TWO CONTRACT NUMBER 52 HAS BEEN AWARDED IT'S ABOUT 1.4 MILES AND ABOUT 2.1 MILLION. 
          AND IT IS IN DESIGN. 
          NOW IT IS ANTICIPATED THAT THE FIRST TWO ROADS THAT WE WILL GO AFTER ARE HARRISON ISLAND AND RIGHT PLACE, RIGHT. 
          PLACES ON HILTON HEAD AND HARRISON ISLAND IS IN, IS IN BLUFFTON. 
          AND THEN WE'LL COME AND PICK UP THE, UH, THE ROADS, UH, NORTH AND BRIGHTON. 
          AND YOUR, EXCUSE ME, THAT IS IN YOUR, THAT IS IN YEAR FIVE OF I BELIEVE. 
          IT'S YOUR PRIDE, IS IT? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THEY'RE ALREADY MR. GLOVER. 
          HE GOT GEORGE WILLIAMS AND HE GOT DAVID GREEN ROAD. 
          SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE HITTING A HUNDRED PERCENT THERE AND YOUR THREE CONTRACT, 53, UH, WE WILL GO OUT FOR, UH, WE'LL PUT A SOLICITATION OUT THE FIRST OF 2022, AND THAT'S ABOUT ALMOST 1.7 MILES OF THAT WILL INCLUDE TWICKINGHAM NORTH NORTHVIEW AND RAMO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY QUESTIONS CONCERNING THE DIRT ROAD PAVING PROGRAM? YES, SIR. 
          UH, ANGELA, WE TALKED ABOUT ONE TIME DOING TWICKINGHAM BY STONING BECAUSE THE RIGHT OF WAY CHALLENGES OUT THERE WOULD Y'ALL WHAT'D Y'ALL WERE ALL SETTLED WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          WE'RE WE'RE GOOD TO GO. 
          OKAY. 
          PAINTING. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? HOW MANY TOTAL MILES IS THIS? NO. 
          FOR YEAR THREE, YEAR THREE IS ALMOST 1.6, SIX MILES. 
          IN THOSE THREE ROADS. 
          WE DO. 
          WE AVERAGE BETWEEN ONE AND A HALF AND TWO MILES. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT SHOULD GET US DOWN IN THE UPPER SIXTIES. 
          I BELIEVE THAT'S LEFT IN THE MINOR DIRT ROAD. 
          SO IT WILL BE LEFT TO PAVE AFTER YOU'RE THROUGH ONE THROUGH FIVE IS DONE. 
          THERE WON'T BE MANY LEFT BECAUSE OF RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITION PROBLEMS AND PEOPLE DON'T WANT WANTING TO DONATE THE RIGHT OF WAY TO HAVE THE ROADS PAID. 
          WE'RE CLOSING IN ON OUR LIMIT. 
          ACTUALLY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU MUCH. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE DOING PAVEMENT CONDITION SURVEY UPDATE. 
          BRIAN BAUER. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          UM, SO S U D O T IS COLLECTING THE DATA FOR THE STRESS OF EACH ROAD ON THE COUNTY MUNICIPAL LIST. 
          THEY HAVE COMPLETED ABOUT 90% OF THE ROADWAY DATA COLLECTION. 
          THEY HAVE APPROXIMATELY 20 MILES LEFT TO COLLECT. 
          UM, THEY'RE EXPECTING TO HAVE ALL THE DATA COLLECTED WITHIN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS, UH, THAT IS DEPENDENT ON WHETHER AND HOW MUCH RAIN WE GET AND HOW MANY DAYS THEY CAN'T WORK WITH US WITHIN THE NEXT THREE WEEKS AS EXPECTED. 
          UM, ONCE WE GET THEM GET THE DATA WE WILL QC, IT WILL LOOK THROUGH, MAKE SURE IT'S COMPLETE, AND THEN WE WILL GO OUT MANUALLY WALK A PERCENTAGE OF ROADS TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING LOOKS LIKE IT'S CORRECT. 
          AND THEN AFTER THAT, WE WILL COME UP WITH A PQI 
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FOR EACH ROAD, UM, AND THEN PRESENT A SUMMARY OF FINDINGS TO THE COUNTY AND CTC COMPARING IT TO THE LAST, A PAVEMENT EVALUATION. 
          AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY AND CTC TO COME UP WITH PRIORITIZE LIST AND A FIVE-YEAR PLAN AFTER THAT. 
          SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, JARED AND I HAD LENGTHY DISCUSSION ON IS CONCERNING THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN. 
          NOT ONLY ARE WE EXPECTING FROM YOU TO HAVE THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN, BUT THE PRECISE ROAD RECOMMENDATIONS, THE PAVING RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          AND SO IF IT'S 1 25 POUNDS, 125 TIMES OR WHATEVER, BILL AND PHIL OR WHATEVER IS BEING DONE ON THE ROAD THAT BE PROVIDED, AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO THEN HAVE IT CHECKED IN THE FUTURE, WE GO IN FUTURE YEARS. 
          SO, UM, AFTER LAST MEETING WE HAD, I THINK WE'VE GONE BACK AND DISCUSSED THAT. 
          SO I THINK WE'RE ALL SET FOR THAT, SO, OKAY. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD? SO WHEN DID I MISS IT? DID YOU SAY WHEN THE ANTICIPATED DELIVERY OF THE PRODUCT IS, OH, THE FINAL PRODUCT? NO, I DIDN'T. 
          AND THAT'S GOING TO BE DEPENDENT ON WHEN WE GET THE DATA FROM THE UTS AND ONCE WE GET THE DATA, WE CAN PROBABLY HAVE A BETTER ESTIMATE OF WHEN WE DON'T DO THE FINAL DELIVERABLE. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          BRIAN, MR. STROMA, I'M GOING TO PUT YOU ON HOLD IN THE BARREL HERE FOR JUST A SECOND. 
          I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO SHARE, UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE HAD MANY ISSUES WITH BIGGEST STATE AND, AND CHALLENGES WITH BIGGEST STATE AND THE VERY RARELY DO WE HEAR THE GOOD NEWS THAT COME OUT OF IT. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO SHARE AS THE GOOD NEWS. 
          WELL, LET'S LISTEN TO IT AND I SEE WHETHER IT'S GOOD NEWS OR NOT BURST. 
          I LIKE TO THANK THE COMMUNITY FOR ITS DECISION TO HAVE THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS DONE BY THE BIGGEST CIRCLE, ESPECIALLY THANK MS. UH, AT THENA. 
          IS THAT PRONOUNCING THAT CORRECTLY? ANDREA ATHERTON APP WITH, OKAY, WELL, THE PROMPTNESS IN WHICH THE WORK WAS DONE, I DID GO OUT AND LOOK AT THE, AT THE ROAD AFTER THEY DID SOME, UH, IMPROVEMENT ON IT. 
          AND I RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM ONE OF THE LADIES OUT THERE TO EXPRESS THEIR APPRECIATION OF THE RESIDENT OF THAT COMMUNITY. 
          AGAIN, SHE SAYS, THANKS A LOT. 
          AND THEY'LL BE LOOKING FOR IN TWO YEARS TO SEE THE CIRCLE COMPLETED. 
          WELL, ALL THINGS IN TIME, ALL THINGS IN TIME, THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT'S OUR $45,000 EXPENDITURE. 
          WE APPROVED AT OUR LAST MEETING AND IT, AT LEAST IT QUELLED SOME OF THE ISSUES WAS THE PEOPLE ON BIGGEST STAKE WE'RE FACING NEXT ITEM,  UPDATES. 
          UH, I'D JUST LIKE TO MENTION FIRST ON BIGGEST STATE OF CIRCLE AND KUDOS TO ANDREA AND BLY OUR CONTRACTOR FOR COMING UP WITH A CREATIVE SOLUTION. 
          UM, TYPICALLY WHEN WE HAVE PATCHES AND FAILING SEGMENTS OF ROADWAYS, A FULL DEPTH PATCHES IS SOMETHING THAT'S LOOKED AT IN TISSUE, UH, INITIALLY. 
          UM, BUT THE ACTUAL SUBSTRUCTURE WASN'T FAILING. 
          SO IT WAS JUST KIND OF SOME OF THE, THE SURFACE THAT WAS RAVELING OFF. 
          SO THEY CAME UP WITH A GOOD SOLUTION THAT WAS QUICK AND, UM, WAS ABLE TO SPREAD THE IMPROVEMENTS OVER TO A LARGER AREA FOR A LOWER COST. 
          SO, AND I IT'LL HOLD US WELL UNTIL A LATER DATE THAT THE ROADS FULLY IMPROVED WITH A RESURFACE IN CONTRACT. 
          SO JUST WANT TO SAY KUDOS TO ANDREA AND, AND, UH, OUR CONTRACTOR BUYS. 
          SO, UH, ONE 70. 
          SO IT'S AN UPDATE FOR YOU GUYS, WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          UM, WHAT'S GOING ON ON S C ONE 70 AND SPECIFICALLY FROM 2 78 TO 4 62. 
          SO IN 2019, MS. KOZAK IS WELL AWARE THAT A REPORT WAS COMMISSIONED AND COMPLETED BY EIGHT, UM, ON ACCESS MANAGEMENT GORDER STUDY OF THAT AREA. 
          WHAT IMPROVEMENTS COULD BE MADE BOTH SHORT TERM, INTERMEDIATE TERM AND LONGTERM? UM, A CALM WAS THE CONSULTANT THAT WAS CHARGED TO DO THAT STUDY. 
          AND OUT OF THAT STAGE, THEY DID COME UP WITH THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, IN TOTAL, THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS TOTAL, UM, JUST OVER $80 MILLION. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT PARTIES THAT ARE INVOLVED. 
          UM, BOTH THE STATE, UH, JASPER COUNTY, BUFORD COUNTY HARTVILLE ARE ALL KEY STAKEHOLDERS INTO THIS PROJECT. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S A PROJECT IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF EFFORT FOR US TO COME TO A LONG-TERM SOLUTION, BUT WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS THAT. 
          HOWEVER, UM, DUE TO THE NEED AND THE SAFETY COMPONENTS IN DIFFERENT SEGMENTS, UM, COUNTY COUNCIL COMMISSION STAFF, TO 
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MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SHORT-TERM IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AS PART OF THAT REPORT. 
          SO THEY COMMISSIONED, UH, UP TO $300,000 OF EXPENDITURES TO MOVE FORWARD ON THE DESIGN. 
          ALTHOUGH THE THREE, UH, THE SHORT-TERM PROJECTS, UM, HAVE A VALUE CONSTRUCTION VALUE OF UP TO 3 MILLION. 
          WE DON'T HAVE THAT MONEY AVAILABLE YET, BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO WAIT UNTIL THAT MONEY WAS AVAILABLE TO START DESIGN. 
          SO THEY COMMISSIONED THAT, UM, WE COORDINATE IT BACK WITH A CALM, UM, IN A NON-COMPETITIVE AND CONTRACT TO HELP US OUT ON THAT. 
          WE PROVIDED THE GLUE AND WE GOT THAT APPROVED AT COUNTY COUNCIL FULLY APPROVED ON JUNE 30TH. 
          SO WE ARE WORKING TO FINALIZE OUR CONTRACT WITH A CALM AND START THAT WORK OFF FOR THE INITIAL DESIGN. 
          UH, MS. ANTICIPATED THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE ABOUT FIVE TO SIX MONTHS FOR THAT DESIGN, UH, TO BE FINISHED UP. 
          UM, THE, THE SIX PROJECTS, UM, ARE, ARE FROM ONE 70, THEY'RE KIND OF SPY INTERSECTIONS FIRST BEING THERE AT THE RAMP AT 2 78, 1 70. 
          UM, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN NAME THEM RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. 
          AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT HAVING IN FRONT OF ME, THE LAST ONE BEING THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT AT 4 62, WHICH THE CTC WAS A PARTICIPANT AND IT'S ALREADY INSTALLED THAT SIGNAL. 
          SO, UM, SO THERE'S ACTUALLY FIVE REMAINING, UM, AREAS TO BE IMPROVED AS PART OF THE SHORT TERM IMPROVEMENTS. 
          AND THEN HOPEFULLY WITH A FULL DESIGN, WE'LL BE ABLE TO COORDINATE WITH OUR OTHER STAKEHOLDERS TO FIND THE FUNDING BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF THE YEAR TO PUT THOSE PROJECTS OUT OF THE BID AT THE FIRST OF NEXT YEAR. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE AND, UH, WE GLADLY TAKE ANY QUESTIONS, KIND OF A FOLLOW UP. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, YOU AS YOU AND I HAVE TALKED SOMETIME PROBABLY IN THE SEPTEMBER TIME PERIOD, I'D LIKE TO ARRANGE A MEETING WITH MICHAEL BLACK, ELIZABETH, YOU AND ME TO SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT NEXT FISCAL YEAR AND THE DOLLARS THAT YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT, ELIZABETH FOR THE RESURFACING OF THAT INTERSECTION. 
          UM, AND MAYBE WE CAN COLLABORATE PULLING FUNDS FROM DDOT, AS WELL AS THE FUNDING WE'RE GETTING FROM JASPER COUNTY AND BUFORD COUNTY TO REALLY MAKE A BIG IMPACT ON THAT WILD DINNER SECTION. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          FLING SET SOMETHING UP WITH DLT. 
          IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY OF GETTING PRIVATE SECTOR FUNDING, FOR INSTANCE, THE, THE EMERGENCY ROOM OF THE HOSPITAL AND SO ON WHO REALLY WILL BENEFIT YEAH. 
          THAT HASN'T BEEN EXPLORED YET. 
          IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT. 
          WE DO GET PRIVATE SECTOR FUNDS THROUGH IMPACT FEES. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, BUT THOSE THAT ARE ALREADY DEVELOPED, UM, THAT ARE CONTRIBUTING TRAFFIC, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          SO, I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT, BUT WE HAVEN'T EXPLORED THAT QUITE YET. 
          AS I RECALL, JENNY, THE INTERSECTION THERE CLOSED WHERE THE HOSPITAL IS, DDOT TOOK A VERY STRONG STANCE THAT SAID THEY WOULD NOT, UH, MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE SIGNALS. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THERE WERE OTHER PATHS, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS, POSSIBILITIES WITH THE CLICKERS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THE HOSPITAL, BECAUSE IT WOULD BENEFIT THEM ABSOLUTELY. 
          IN SAFETY TERMS AND CON CUSTOMER SERVICE. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT WAS MY THOUGHT. 
          DEFINITELY A SPOILER FOR SURE. 
          THAT'S IT? I LIKE YOUR GOOD IDEAS. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, JOHN, LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU HAVE THAT MEETING SHORTLY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANKS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT ITEM UP IS LOOK, COUNTRY M I R R. 
          I DID THAT AS A TEASED US MILITARY INSTALLATION RESILIENCY REP REPORT. 
          SO I THINK I DON'T HAVE A FORMAL PRESENTATION. 
          I WAS JUST GOING TO TELL YOU BRIEFLY WHAT THE PROJECT IS ABOUT. 
          GINNY IS ALSO VERY WELL INFORMED. 
          SHE'S BEEN HELPING US OUT, UM, CONSULTING ON THE PROJECT WITH US. 
          SO WE WERE, UM, LOW COUNTRY COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS WAS AWARDED A GRANT FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE'S OFFICE OF LOCAL DEFENSE COMMUNITY COOPERATION. 
          I KNOW THEY CHANGED THEIR NAME IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GRANT PROCESS. 
          SO, UM, TO COMPLETE A MILITARY INSTALLATION RESILIENCE REVIEW, THIS IS A NEW GRANT PROGRAM THAT THE DOD HAS STARTED DOING. 
          UM, UH, WE ARE ONE OF THE FIRST PROJECTS KIND OF OUT OF THE GATE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, CAN BE VERY CHALLENGING. 
          WE HAVE KIND OF, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF, UM, ANYBODY THAT WE'RE NECESSARILY TRYING TO, UM, MATCH UP TO, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE DON'T HAVE A TEMPLATE. 
          SO WE ARE JUST KICKING THIS PROJECT OFF BACK IN MARCH. 
          WE WILL WRAP IT UP IN FEBRUARY OF 2022. 
          UM, THE PROJECT FOCUSES ON LOOKING AT RESILIENCE OF THE COMMUNITIES 
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THAT SURROUND AND SUPPORT THE BASE. 
          SO WE'RE NOT GOING ON THE BASE AND TELLING THEM WHAT TO DO. 
          THEY KNOW WHAT TO DO. 
          THEY'RE THE EXPERTS WE'RE FOCUSED ON THE COMMUNITY PLANNING THAT IS AROUND THEM. 
          CAUSE AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND COMPONENTS TO OUTSIDE THE BASE OUTSIDE OF THE FENCE THAT ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO KEEPING THOSE BASES ON MISSION. 
          SO IT IS INCLUDES BOTH THE AIR STATION AND THE RECRUIT DEPOT AS PARTNERS IN THE PROJECT. 
          AND THEN THE ULTIMATE AND PRODUCT IS A COMMUNITY RESILIENCE PLAN. 
          AND THAT PLAN WOULD ENTAIL, UM, LOOKING AT, UM, IMPLEMENTATION OF PROJECTS, COST ASSESSMENTS, FUNK FUNDING MECHANISMS. SO WHAT EXACTLY IS A RESILIENCE REVIEW? AND, UH, SO IT'S, UM, BASICALLY WE'RE DIVIDING THIS PROJECT INTO THREE PHASES AND LOOKING AT IDENTIFYING THEM THE RISKS AND THREATS TO THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          AND THIS IS FOCUSING ON NATURAL HAZARDS, RIGHT? AND WE REALLY THOUGHT THROUGH OUR HAZARD MITIGATION PLANNING EFFORTS THAT WE'VE DONE HERE, OUR BIGGEST THREATS ARE REALLY WATER, UM, SEA LEVEL RISE, STORMS, SEARCH FLOODING STORM, YOU KNOW, JUST EVEN, UM, KING TIDES. 
          SO WATER IS KIND OF OUR BIG KEY THING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          SO THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF DATA COLLECTION AND THREAT ANALYSIS RIGHT NOW TO SEE WHAT KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD BE UNDER THREAT IN THOSE SITUATIONS, UH, NEXT. 
          SO IT WOULD BE ASSESSING VULNERABILITY AND RISK, UM, LOOKING AT CUTE FUTURE AND CURRENT DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS THAT ARE ALREADY GOING ON IN THE REGION AND THEN PREPARING, UM, KIND OF FRAMING OUR COMMUNITY RESILIENCE PLAN UNDER THE, UM, CATEGORIES OF PREPARE, RESPOND AND RECOVER. 
          THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THE THOUGHTS WE WERE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF WHAT KIND OF SOLUTIONS WE WANT TO HAVE. 
          AND THIS WOULD BE LOOKING AT SHORT, MID AND LONG TERM LONG-TERM IS 20 YEARS. 
          SO REALLY IN SOME ASPECTS ISN'T THAT FAR OUT. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF THE TIME RANGE WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          AND THEN, UM, THE END PRODUCT I SAID IS THE THIRD PHASE, WHICH IS REFINING AND PRIORITIZING THE TYPES OF SOLUTIONS THAT THEY COME UP WITH. 
          AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE, UH, SORT OF LIKE A IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, PRIORITIZING THE PROJECT COSTS, FUNDING MECHANISMS. HOW CAN WE FIND ALL THESE WONDERFUL IDEAS? SO, UM, THE PROJECT HAS BEEN MOVING ALONG. 
          MOST OF THE WORK HAS BEEN KIND OF BEHIND THE SCENES LATELY, BUT WE HAD AN EARLY JULY, UH, STAKEHOLDER WORK SHOP. 
          WE HAD THREE DIFFERENT MEETINGS, THREE SEPARATE MEETINGS OF DIFFERENT FOLKS TO GET EVERYBODY IN DIFFERENT TIME SLOTS. 
          UM, IT WAS, UH, PRETTY WELL ATTENDED. 
          WE INVITED, UH, WE LOOKED OUT TO ABOUT 36 DIFFERENT, UH, LOCAL AGENCIES, UH, CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS, INTEREST GROUPS, GOVERNMENT AGENCIES. 
          SO THEY INCLUDED, UM, YOU KNOW, BUFORD, JASPER WATER, OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. 
          UM, WE HAD THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, COASTAL CONSERVATION LEAGUE, THE PEW, UM, CHARITABLE FOUNDATION. 
          I'M SURE I'M GOING TO MISS A WHOLE BUNCH. 
          CAUSE I HAVE THIS REALLY LONG LIST. 
          WE HAD THE DNR, SO WE HAD A LOT OF DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES AND INTERESTS AT THE TABLE. 
          SO IT WAS GREAT TO REALLY HEAR FROM EVERYBODY. 
          SO WE ALL HAD FAIRLY CONSISTENT MESSAGE THROUGH THREE GROUPS, UM, WHICH WAS EXCITING TO HEAR THAT AND NOT HA HEAR A HUNDRED DIFFERENT OPINIONS BECAUSE WE KIND OF NARROWED IT DOWN TO FIVE BECAUSE THIS IS YEAH. 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S A BIG UNDERTAKING FOR THE WHOLE REGION. 
          SO ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE HEARD WAS THE REGION REGIONAL ORGANIZATIONS ARE TAKING INITIATIVE TO FOSTER ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP. 
          THAT WAS KIND OF ONE THING TO LOOK AT AT THE TOP. 
          UM, MILITARY PRESENCE IN THE LOW COUNTRY IS CRITICAL TO THE COMMUNITY AND EVERYBODY AGREED ON THAT. 
          AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO CONTINUE ENTHUSIASTICALLY AND WORK ON BETTER RELATIONSHIPS ON HOW, UM, BETWEEN THE LOW COUNTRY IN THE MILITARY AND HOW WE CAN HELP EACH OTHER OUT, UH, THE PUBLIC NEEDS THE FURTHER UNDERSTAND SCIENTIFIC BACKGROUND ON DIFFERENT KINDS OF CLIMATE CHANGE RESILIENCE AND THESE DIFFERENT TYPES OF THREATS THAT COULD BE AFFECTING US. 
          SO THAT WAS JUST KIND OF A PUBLIC EDUCATION COMPONENT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AND THEN THE LOCAL, THE COUNTRY FOR THE LOW COUNTRY AND THE ENVIRONMENT IS A BIG FACTOR HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          IN OUR ECONOMY, PEOPLE COME HERE BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENT PEOPLE LIVE HERE BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENT. 
          AND YEAH, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THAT'S ALSO, THERE'S THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA IS TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND PROTECTING OUR ENVIRONMENT. 
          AND THEN CULTURAL CONTINUATION WAS ALSO BROUGHT UP, UM, BEING SENSITIVE TO OUR DIFFERENT POPULATIONS, SUCH AS THE GULLAH OUT ON ST. 
          HELENA. 
          SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS, THE FIVE KIND OF, I'M SURE THERE WAS MORE THINGS WE COULD POINT OUT, BUT THOSE WERE KIND OF A CONSENSUS BETWEEN OUR STAKEHOLDER GROUPS. 
          SO WE'RE USING THE NORTHERN REGIONAL DIFFER, TORE THE REGIONAL, SORRY TO SOLARIZE NORTHERN REGIONAL IMPLEMENTATION PLANNING COMMITTEE, UM, AS OUR POLICY COMMITTEE AND WE CHECK IN WITH THEM EVERY COUPLE MONTHS AND THEY'RE UM, SO IF YOU'VE EVER WANT MORE INFORMATION, I KNOW JENNY CAN HELP YOU OUT AND I'M WILLING HELPING HAPPY TO SHARE ANYTHING. 
          I'LL TELL YOU TO CALL STEPHANIE, RIGHT. 
          IT IS THROUGH 
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THE MILITARY, BUT THE COMMUNITY COULD REALLY BENEFIT OUT OF THIS STUDY BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT TYPES OF INFRASTRUCTURE OR, UM, THINGS THAT WE CAN DO OUTSIDE THE FENCE. 
          SO IT'S YES. 
          WANT TO DO THIS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SUPPORTING THE MILITARY BASICALLY, BUT THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE WOULD BE DOING OUTSIDE OF THE FENCE. 
          SO IT COULD BE HELPFUL TOO. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, NUISANCE FLOODING ON PARTICULAR ROADWAYS, THE STORM WATER ISSUES, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          I'M NOT SURE SHORELINES. 
          I MEAN, I COULD START RATTLING THEM OFF, BUT THERE'S, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT POINT IN THE STUDY YET TO ACTUALLY DESIGNATE TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          DO YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT THE FLIGHT PAD ON THERE, UM, THAT WAS DONE PREVIOUSLY AND, UH, JOINTLY A NEW STUDY. 
          WE'RE NOT REALLY FOCUSING ON THE ISSUES THAT WOULD PERTAIN TO THE FLIGHT WERE NOISY. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK THE ISSUE OR THE MAIN THING IS THAT THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY, WHICH INCLUDES PARTS OF JASPER COUNTY ARE THE, ARE THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE BASIS BECAUSE THERE ISN'T THAT MUCH HOUSING. 
          AND FOR INSTANCE, THE NAVY HOSPITALS CLOSED AND THEY USE BUFORD MEMORIAL HOSPITAL AND LOW COUNTRY MEDICAL GROUP AS THEIR SOURCES, SEWER AND WATER SERVICES ARE PROVIDED BY BUFORD, JASPER WATER AND SEWER AUTHORITY AND SO ON. 
          AND THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN IN A LOT OF COMMUNITIES WHERE A LOT OF THE, THESE FACILITIES ARE ON THE BASIS AND EITHER THEY HAVE BEEN CHANGED OR THEY'VE BEEN CLOSED. 
          AND SO IT'S THINGS LIKE BEING ABLE TO GET TO WORK IF THE WA IF THE ROADS ARE FLOODED IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT ISSUE. 
          IF THAT'S BOTHERING YOU FOCUSING MORE ON LIKE NATURAL HAZARDS, I MUST SAY THAT, UM, I PARTICIPATED IN ONE OF THE MEETINGS AND IT WAS A VERY DIVERSE GROUP THAT, THAT ATTENDED, THEY HAD PEOPLE FROM EVERY FACET OF THE COUNTY. 
          SO IT WAS, IT WAS PART OF THE INTERESTING A COUPLE OF HOURS. 
          IS THERE, IS THERE ANY PARTICULAR THING THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT THIS COUNCIL? NO BIG THING IS, UM, WHAT DID YOU TO BE AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW? NUMBER ONE, AND NUMBER TWO, THAT IT WILL HAVE EFFECT LONG-TERM HONEST, BECAUSE OF ROADS THAT MIGHT NEED TO BE RAISED AND HOW THE FUNDING WILL BE, WHAT MAYBE WE'LL RAISING ROADS. 
          SO WITH DOLLARS, RATHER THAN ON THE STATE DOLLARS, RATHER THAN RESURFACING, THE DON'T KNOW THAT DON'T KNOW WHERE THE FUNDS ARE GOING TO COME FROM. 
          YEAH. 
          THE MILITARY HAS SOME, I DIDN'T WRITE IT DOWN. 
          SO I'M GOING TO ASK THIS QUESTION. 
          YOU STARTED OFF, WHO DID YOU SAY IS FUNDING THIS PLACE? THE IT'S THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, THEIR OFFICE OF, UH, LOCAL DEFENSE COMMUNITY FUNDING. 
          YES. 
          90% BUFORD COUNTY, THE CITY OF BUFORD AND THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL ARE PROVIDING 10% TOGETHER. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT ONLY 10% IT'S DOD, BUT THEY DO NOT ACTUALLY GET ALL THAT INVOLVED IN THE WORK. 
          THEY'RE MORE CONCERNED WITH THE ADMINISTRATIVE DETAILS, LIKE GETTING YOUR, UM, THERE'S CURRENTLY 11 OTHER PROJECTS IN THE COUNTRY AND THEY JUST PUT OUT A CALL FOR MORE. 
          SO THANK YOU MUCH ITEM H I'M GOING TO KICK THIS OFF A LITTLE BIT. 
          I KNOW SOME OF YOU WERE PART AND PARTYING ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO IN FEBRUARY WHEN WE SET A RETREAT AND I WALKED AROUND AND I SAW FACES ON DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS AND IDEAS BEING, UM, DIFFERENT. 
          BUT WE CAME TOGETHER AND REALIZED THAT WE WANTED TO COME UP WITH A PLAN, A PLAN FOR OUR ROAD NETWORK AND HOW WE WERE GOING TO TAKE THIS BIG ELEPHANT AND START BITING IT ONE BITE AT A TIME AND COME UP WITH THE HELP OF FNMI COME UP WITH THEIR FIRST FIVE-YEAR PLAN. 
          AND I WAS DISCUSSING WITH ROB MCPHEE THE OTHER DAY. 
          AND HE WAS KIND OF, HE WAS SURPRISED HOW WELL WE PULLED, PULLED THAT OFF FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. 
          AND I SAID TO HIM, I THINK WE'RE AT THE CUSP OF DOING SOMETHING THE NEXT STEP. 
          AND IT'S SOMETHING WHICH ISN'T NECESSARILY BEING INITIATED IS, IS BEING INITIATED BY US. 
          BUT IT'S ALSO BEING FORCED UPON US. 
          AND THAT'S MEANS WE'RE, IT'S BEING FORCED UPON US BY DUT DUT WITH THEIR INCREASE OF 33% OF THE FUNDS WE RECEIVE BEING REQUIRED TO BE SPENT ON STATE SECONDARIES. 
          IT'S 
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IN OUR INTEREST TO HAVE A LOOK AT WHERE THE MONEY'S GOING TO GO AND COME UP WITH A PLAN AND IT REALLY HELPS US AND HELPS WE'LL HELP ELIZABETH COME UP WITH A PLAN ON HOW WE CAN TIE OUR WORK IN WITH HER WORK, HOW WE CAN, I CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE LIVES OF THE CITIZENS OF BUFORD COUNTY. 
          MR. MCCAIN HAS HAD NUMEROUS DISCUSSIONS WITH ME. 
          AND ONE OF THE THOUGHTS IN HIS MIND HAS BEEN, UH, HOW, WHY DON'T WE CONSIDER LOOKING AT SOME STATE ROUTES THAT HAVE LOW ADTS RATHER THAN, AND THAT DOESN'T MEET ANY OF THE CRITERIA I WAS ABLE TO GET FROM THE OT ENGINEERING DIRECTOR OF 64 AND ENGINEERING DIRECTOR OF 65. 
          IT'S THE FEDERAL AND NON-FEDERAL AID, SECONDARY PAVEMENT IMPROVER PROJECT PRIORITIZATION LIST. 
          AND IT BASICALLY ESTABLISHES ALL THE CRITERIA THAT THE STATE USES FOR PAVING OF STATE SECONDARIES AND PRIMARIES, ACTUALLY. 
          SO IT'S, UH, AT A POINT IN TIME WHERE FIRST OF ALL, I HOPE YOU FOUND THE TASK. 
          INTERESTING. 
          UM, I KNOW THAT I WROTE TO MY DISTRICT AND I HAVE VERY FEW, A FEW ROADS IN MY DISTRICT THAT, UH, OTHER THAN 2 78, 46 BUCK ISLAND, AND A COUPLE MORE, I DON'T HAVE ANY REALLY BIG SECONDARIES. 
          HAVE YOU TAKEN CARE OF MY DISTRICT VERY FEW ANYWAYS. 
          AND I KNOW THAT TALKING TO CRAIG POURS, HE HAS SOME OF THE SAME SIMILAR ISSUES WITH HIS, I KNOW TALKING TO JENNY THAT, UH, I HAVE LOTS OF IT ROYAL AND BUFORD WERE BASICALLY ALL THE RIGHTS FOR BUILT FOR THEM, FOR THE COMMUNITY, BECAUSE THEY ARE STATE ROUTES WHERE JURIES ARE THERE IN THOSE COMMUNITIES OR STATE ROUTES. 
          SO I'M OPENING UP FOR COMMENTS. 
          DISCUSSION WOULD LIKE TO HEAR ANY, ANY THINGS THAT YOU FOUND OUT DURING YOUR EXPLORING YOUR DISTRICT. 
          JENNY, I KNOW YOU OKAY. 
          FIRST OF ALL, I HAVE TO APOLOGIZE FOR BEING SO ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT IT. 
          THIS IS SOMETHING I REALLY LIKED DOING. 
          AND IN FACT, I WAS IN ROBBING WITH S C D O T A WITH THE CHIEF PLANNER. 
          AND I PUT TOGETHER A VERY COMPLEX VERSION OF THIS FOR THE LARGER PROJECTS LIKE WIDENINGS AND BRIDGES, BECAUSE FEDERAL HIGHWAYS IS VERY ADAMANT, BUT THEY'RE TRYING TO TAKE THE POLITICS OUT OF EXPENDITURES OF MONEY ON TRANSPORTATION, BECAUSE FORMERLY I GUESS ALL THROUGH THE U S IT WAS MORE LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHO COMPLAINED THE MOST, GOT THE MOST MONEY, AND THEY WANTED DECISIONS TO BE MADE ON A, YOU KNOW, MORE OF A QUANTITATIVE VERSION. 
          AND SO YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, WE ADDED WAITING AND SO ON. 
          SO WE COULD ACTUALLY LOOK AT A PROJECT AND SAY, OKAY, THIS ONE HAS A HIGHER PRIORITIES. 
          ANYHOW, AS I SAY, I'M REALLY ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THIS. 
          AND I WAS QUITE INTERESTED. 
          I HAD 160 POSSIBILITIES IN MY, MY DISTRICT BECAUSE, UM, THAT'S, IT'S, UM, D DISTRICT FOUR, WHICH IS, UH, BASICALLY MOSSY OAKS AND BUFORD, AND THEN THE ORIGINAL PART OF PORT ROYAL AND NOT MUCH OF THE, UM, IN FACT, I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE MOST RECENTLY ANNEXED AND MOST OF THIS AREA WAS BUILT IN BETWEEN 1946 AND ABOUT 1960. 
          IT WAS BUILT UP, UH, ORIGINALLY AS VA A VA SUBDIVISION VETERANS ADMINISTRATION FUNDING. 
          I ACTUALLY HAD ONE OF THESE HOUSES THAT WAS BUILT IN 47. 
          AND SO THE ROADS ARE VERY NARROW THEY'RE MEANT FOR CITY STREETS. 
          AND I WAS, UM, I'VE LIVED THERE FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS. 
          SO I HA I KNOW THAT THERE IS A CURRENT PROBLEM, BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE UNTIL I WENT THROUGH STREETS THAT I ACTUALLY DIDN'T REALIZE WERE PART OF THE PROBLEM. 
          THANKS TO GOOGLE MAPS AND GOOGLE EARTH. 
          PEOPLE HAVE BEEN APPRISED PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON HILTON HEAD AND LADY'S ISLAND AND BLUFFTON AND ALL OVER WHO WORK AT BUFORD MEMORIAL HOSPITAL, WHO WORK AT TECHNICAL COLLEGE OF THE LOW COUNTRY HAVE LEARNED THAT THEY CAN CUT THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          UM, LITTLE, TWO LANE, YOU KNOW, NO CURB STREETS THAT ARE STATE ROADS BECAUSE THEY WERE BUILT, YOU KNOW, BACK WHEN THE GROWTH WAS THE ORIGINAL GROWTH WAS HAPPENING. 
          AND I MEAN, THE ONES, THE STREETS THAT I FOUND, I MEAN, I KNEW THE ONE THAT I LIVE ON HAS, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE THOUSANDS ADT, BUT I WAS VERY SURPRISED TO SEE HOW MANY OTHER STREETS HAVE OVER A THOUSAND ADT. 
          AND THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, SMALL HOUSES, SMALL STREETS, AND CARRYING A LOT OF TRAFFIC AND THE PAVEMENT QUALITY IS GOING DOWN. 
          I MEAN, AS YOU 
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WOULD EXPECT, THEY WEREN'T DESIGNED FOR THE KIND OF TRAFFIC THEY'RE GETTING GOING WELL OVER THE SPEED LIMIT, OF COURSE, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE. 
          AND IT OCCURRED TO ME THAT NOT I'M SURE OTHER AREAS, BLUFFTON WOULD PROBABLY HAVE SO MANY ISSUES LIKE THIS, WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT WANT TO THINK ABOUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO HANDLE WHERE STREETS THAT WERE DESIGNED AND BUILT AND HAVE BEEN REPAVED OVER THE YEARS FOR THE PURPOSE OF, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE HUNDRED CARS A DAY, ALL PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE BASICALLY. 
          AND, AND OF COURSE, FEDEX AND THE VARIOUS OTHER DELIVERY SERVICES AND DETERMINE HOW WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE THAT BECAUSE THE PAPER AND QUALITY IS GOING TO GO DOWN EVERY YEAR. 
          I'M SURE. 
          JUST BECAUSE OF THEM. 
          BUT ANYHOW, AS I SAY, THAT WAS, IT WAS KIND OF AN EXCITING THING TO LEARN SOMETHING THAT EVEN THOUGH I LIVED THERE, I DIDN'T NOTICE, EVEN THOUGH I THOUGHT I WAS PRETTY OBSERVANT. 
          SO THAT JUST SHOWS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S EXCITEMENT TO BE HAD DOING A CHART. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS, AGAIN, I'LL GO BACK AND AS A REFRESHER, UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE DOLLARS EXPENDITURE THAT WE W BE REQUIRED TO SPEND THIS YEAR WILL BE 850, ROUGHLY $850,000. 
          AND I'LL, I'LL SAVE MY OTHER COMMENTS AT THE PAYOUT. 
          S S C D O T ABOUT THAT. 
          AND WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIALOGUE, MARK AND MIKEY HERE, HAVE YOU MAKE YOUR THOUGHTS NOW? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, PAGE TWO, PRESENTED MATERIALS IS INCORRECT. 
          UH, I SUBMITTED AN UPDATE ON MONDAY IS NOT THE MATERIAL THAT I SUBMITTED. 
          UH, STATE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT, COMMISSIONER, OR SECRETARY OF TRANSPORTATION HAS A GOAL CTCS TO DO SECONDARY ROADS. 
          UH, 75% OF THE LISTING OF BUFORD COUNTY ARE NORTH OF THE BROAD RIVER, THE SECONDARY ROADS WITH AN AVERAGE OF 125 TO A HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FIVE EIGHTY T, WHERE THEY AVERAGE PMS RATING OR TQI RATING SOMEWHERE RIGHT AROUND 1.2, SOMEWHERE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, I HAVE A POSSIBLE PERFECT FIVE. 
          UH, IT'S MY BELIEF THAT WE SHOULD BE INVESTING IN LESSER ADT ROADS AND CONTRARY TO WHAT CHAIRMAN GORDON SAYS, GET THE MOST BANG FOR THE MOST TRAFFIC. 
          AND IF SARAH, UH, YOU TALK TO THESE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS, THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T HAVE MANY ROADS, DON'T HAVE TO TALK TO THESE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS, YOU KNOW, UH, BUT WHEN YOU TALK TO THEM, THEY JUST CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY STATE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT DOESN'T HAVE FUNDS. 
          WE HAVE 800,000 AND WHY CAN'T WE DO THEIRS AND SO FORTH? I, UM, UH, IT WASN'T FINISHED WHAT, SORRY, MARK. 
          IT'S MY OPINION THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT ROADS UNDER 1,080 TI WITH PMS, JUST LIKE WE DO AT THE COUNTY, A COUNTY SYSTEM. 
          WHEN WE INITIALLY STARTED OFF, UH, IF I'M CORRECT, WE START OFF WITH THOSE, ADD THE WORST PMS, WHICH HAPPENED TO BE HILTON HEAD ISLAND. 
          AND WE STARTED WORKING UP THE LIST FROM THERE. 
          SO THAT'S IT NUTSHELL, UM, HEARING MARK'S COMMENTS. 
          I WAS IN A MEETING, UM, A FEW WEEKS BACK WITH THE FORMER DIRECTOR OF PAPERS DESIGNED FOR STD OT. 
          AND DURING THAT CONVERSATION, UH, ONE OF THE TOPICS HE BROUGHT UP WAS THE TOPIC WAS CALLED SCRUB SEAL AND SCRUB SEAL IS SOMEWHAT NEW TECHNIQUE. 
          IT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE OT AS A RESURFACING. 
          AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT DOES IS YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE TERM CHIP AND SEAL. 
          UH, IT'S A DERIVATIVE OF THAT, ESSENTIALLY. 
          IT'S ESSENTIALLY YOU GO THROUGH YOUR SPRAYING, UM, YOUR ASPHALT EMULSION DOWN AND PULLED BEHIND THE DISTRIBUTOR IS A SET OF BROOMS. THE FULL WIDTH OF THE PAVEMENT, AND THE BROOMS ARE DESIGNED TO BE KICKED AT DIFFERENT ANGLES. 
          AND WHAT HAPPENS IS IT BASICALLY IS FORCING THE ASPHALT EMULSION DOWN INTO THE CRACKS AND SO ON THAT'S IN THE ROAD. 
          AND THEN THEY COME IN AND DUT HAS TAKEN A PRETTY STRONG STAND. 
          THEY, THEY DON'T RECOMMEND THE NORMAL CHIP AND SEAL. 
          THEY RECOMMEND USING A SMALL, SMALL GRAVEL, AND THE SMALL GRAVEL IS 
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SOMEWHAT NOT LIKE SAND, BUT IT'S A DERIVATIVE THAT THEY HAVE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT QUARRIES IN NORTH CAROLINA PROVIDES. 
          AND THE FINISHED EFFECT IS, IS ESSENTIALLY A NEW SURFACE BED. 
          AND I'VE BEEN DOING A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH ON IT. 
          AND, UM, I'VE TALKED WITH, UM, THE CITY OF CHARLESTON AND CHARLESTON COUNTY. 
          AND DURING THAT CONVERSATION, UH, I WAS INFORMED THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE THEY'RE DERIVATIVE OF THIS PROCESS I'VE FORBID. 
          AND IT WAS DUE BACK IN BY THE FIRST OF NEXT MONTH, AS I RECALL. 
          AND THEY WILL BE GOING THROUGH THE BIDS AND EVERYTHING, AND PROBABLY STARTING WORK SOMETIME BY, UM, LATE SEPTEMBER, MAYBE EARLY OCTOBER, AND WAS INVITED UP TO LOOK AT THE PR PROP, THE PROCESS AND EVERYTHING, AND TO SEE HOW WELL THE SYSTEM WOULD WORK. 
          THE NICE THING ABOUT IT IS, UM, IT'S THE COMMITTEE'S VOTE. 
          I'M NOT, I'M NOT GOING TO, UM, MY JOB IS TO PROVIDE LEADERSHIP AND DIRECTION. 
          WHERE DO YOU ALL WANT TO GO WITH THIS? WHETHER YOU WANT TO PUT $150,000 INTO A LOW ADTS, WHAT THAT'S YOUR THAT'S THE COMMITTEE'S DECISION? UM, BUT I THINK THAT MAYBE THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THE STATE, UH, SECONDARIES AS JENNY WAS DESCRIBING, GOING THROUGH RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS AND SO ON, THAT WOULD BENEFIT FROM USING A SCRUB AND SEAL TECHNIQUE ON IT, RATHER THAN COMING IN AND MILL TO BILL, BILL. 
          AND PHIL CAN BE ANYWHERE FROM 300 TO $450,000 PER TWO LANE MILE. 
          YOU DON'T GET MUCH, WE DON'T GET MUCH BANG OUT OF THAT INTERIM $50,000 SPENDING THAT MUCH MONEY ON MILL AND FILL. 
          SO THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY I WAS LOOKING FOR OTHER PAVEMENT TECHNIQUES AND IT HAS BEEN APPROVED THE WHOLE WAY UP A SCRUB SEAL HAS BEEN APPROVED THE WHOLE WAY UP THROUGH ALL OF THE COMPLETE DOTD CHAIN OF COMMAND. 
          SO IF WE WANTED TO SAY, WE TAKE A PERCENTAGE THAT THE COST OF, I DIDN'T SAY THE COST OF COST FOR, UM, SCRUB SEAL, AND I'LL GO THERE THAT GEORGIA HAS SHOWN SOMEWHERE AROUND. 
          THEY DO IT EXTENSIVELY IN GEORGIA, THE DOOR EXTENSIVELY IN NORTH CAROLINA, AND THEY FIND THREE BY 200, $2 AND 50 CENTS A SQUARE YARD, WHICH IS PRETTY ECONOMICAL. 
          UH, AND FOR AGAIN, ROUTES LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD SOLUTION. 
          WE COULD GET A LOT DONE FOR RELATIVELY NOMINAL ON DOLLAR AMOUNT. 
          SO I'M HERE TO HEAR DISCUSSION AND WE'LL GO WHEREVER COMMITTED, LIKES TO GO. 
          CORRECT. 
          AS USUAL, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M AT THE TOTAL, OTHER END OF THE SPECTRUM, AS YOU WELL KNOW. 
          YES. 
          IN FACT, I'M NOT GOING TO USE THE WORD RESENT, BUT I DO VALUE MY TIME AND I'M NOT GOING TO USE THE TERM STATE SECONDARY BECAUSE THAT'S A MISNOMER AND A MISLABEL. 
          IF THEY'RE STATE ROADS, THEN EVERYTHING I'VE LEARNED IN MY LIFE HAS TURNED UPSIDE DOWN. 
          THERE'S FIVE ROADS IN DISTRICT SIX THAT ARE ON THIS SYSTEM. 
          FOUR OF THEM GO TO DEAD ENDS. 
          YOU TELLING ME, YOU ANSWER A QUESTION ABOUT HOW A STATE ROAD CAN PERFORM A STATE FUNCTION AND GO TO A DEAD END. 
          AND WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THIS $885,800,000 THAT WE QUOTE HAVE TO SPEND ON THIS PARTICULAR SYSTEM. 
          YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY IT NUMEROUS TIMES. 
          THERE SHOULD BE A WAY THAT WE TELL SECRETARY HALL THAT WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO KEEP THE $800,000, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A NEEDS INVENTORY SOMEWHERE IN YOUR, YOUR VAST COLLECTION OF, OF KNOWLEDGE. 
          YOU WANT ME TO TELL YOU WHAT ROADS SHOULD BE NEXT AS A PRIORITY STATE ROADS. 
          AND AGAIN, I, I, I USE THE TERM VERY, VERY LOOSELY. 
          THESE AREN'T STATE ROADS, THEY'RE COUNTY ROADS, THEY'RE PRIVATE ROADS. 
          WE'RE NEVER GOING TO ADDRESS TRULY THIS SYSTEM IN THIS QUESTION, BECAUSE IT ALL LEADS BACK 
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TO A 40,000 MILE SYSTEM THAT HAS TO BE REDUCED BY HALF AFTER THE $40,000, DON'T PERFORM 40,000 MILES OF ROAD DON'T PERFORM STATE FUNCTIONS. 
          SO WHEN YOU ASKED ME TO SUPPORT SOMETHING, DO WE ASK THE DEPARTMENT TO BLESS OTHER THAN THE SUBMITTAL OF THE PLAN TO BLESS, UH, THE COUNTY ROADS THAT WE WANT TO DO NEXT? NO, I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS FOR SO LONG THAT IT, THAT I DON'T SEE AN ANGLE. 
          YES, IT DOES. 
          IT ANGERS ME BECAUSE WE AREN'T GETTING TO THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, AND I, I HEAR, I HEAR THINGS ABOUT SOUTH CAROLINA, ONE 70 AND, UH, THINGS WERE, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT SOUTH CAROLINA, ONE 70 WAS A STATE PRIMARY ROAD. 
          I GOT I'M, I GUESS I'M UNDER THE WRONG IMPRESSION. 
          THAT'S FOR INFORMATION, THE SINGER DISTRICT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND WHERE'S YOUR CHAIRMAN. 
          I CERTAINLY, AND I DON'T THINK MY VOTE CAME THROUGH BECAUSE WE WERE THIS CRAZINESS DURING THE LAST YEAR OR SO ABOUT QUOTE, RAIDING THE STATE ROADS AND HAVING THEM DONE AS THE COUNTY ROADS HAVE BEEN DONE. 
          I TRIED TO VOTE, NO, I DON'T EVER THINK IT GOT THROUGH, BUT IF I DID, IT DIDN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE. 
          ANYHOW. 
          SO I GUESS TO ME, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THIS THING IS THE CHAIRMAN CAN'T. 
          WE WRITE A CHECK FOR 850,000 STRAIGHT TO THE SE DMT, WHICH WE DID, WHICH WE JUST DID. 
          THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT IF WE WRITE THE CHECK FOR $850,000, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AFTER THE CONSTITUENTS IN OUR DISTRICT OR THE CITIZENS OF BUFORD COUNTY, BECAUSE WE'RE LETTING DUT DETERMINE WHAT THEY WANT DONE ON STATE SECONDARIES AND IN JU ACCURATELY POINT OUT. 
          AND AS JENNY POINTED OUT, A LOT OF THESE ROADS WERE BUILT IN THE MUNICIPALITIES BY STATE FUNDS. 
          THEY SHOULD BE, SHOULD'VE BEEN TURNED OVER IN TIME TO MUNICIPALITIES RATHER THAN BEING STATE SECONDARY. 
          AND I THINK THIS ISN'T THE, YOU ANSWERED AGAIN, THE QUESTION FOR YOURSELF, THIS ISN'T, UH, WASN'T OUR DECISION WHO WAS A STATE LEGISLATURE THAT PASSED THE LAWS. 
          THEY WROTE THE LAWS AND SAID, THIS IS THE WAY IT'S TO BE DONE. 
          SO CHANGING THE WAY THE LAW IS WRITTEN, ISN'T IN OUR PURVIEW. 
          THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE THAT WE CAN DO. 
          IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T TALK TO YOUR CONGRESSMAN AND STATE SENATOR ABOUT IT, BUT THE REALITY IS IT IS IT'S A STATE STATUTE AND IT DICTATES, UH, THE 33%. 
          AND I CAN TELL YOU VERY CLEARLY, THE 33% I HAD, IF I HAD ONE CONVERSATION, I HAVE FOUR OR FIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH, UM, JOE STIR THE PROGRAM MANAGER CONCERNING JUST THE ADDITIONAL DOLLARS WE HAD TO SPEND THIS YEAR AFTER THE FACT ON, ON STATE SECONDARY. 
          SO HOW WE WENT AND THAT'S THE TOPIC IN PAY OUT TO STD OT. 
          WHEN WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND $230,000, WE APPROVED $270,000. 
          AND HE CAME BACK AND, AND, UM, OVERRODE OUR CALCULATION, SO TO SPEAK. 
          AND WE COME UP, HAD TO COME UP WITH 40,000 AND TAKE IT TO 270,000. 
          AND WE HAD TO TELL HIM WHERE THE MONEY WAS TO BE SPENT. 
          HE WOULDN'T NOT, UM, TAKE THE MONEY UNLESS WE HAD TOLD HIM WHERE THE ROW, WHERE THE MONEY WAS TO BE SPENT. 
          AND ELIZABETH HAD WORKED WITH US ON WHERE THAT WAS TO BE SPENT. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE MADE MY POINT. 
          I THINK YOU JUST SAID, WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW THE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE THE DECISION ON WHAT THE STATE ROADS THEY'RE GOING TO IMPROVE. 
          THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE OUR MONEY TO IMPROVE THE MONEY THAT COMES TO US. 
          ACCORDING TO, ACCORDING TO EVERYBODY THAT I'M LISTENING TO THAT MONEY REALLY ISN'T OURS, THAT'S CARL, OR WE ALSO ARE. 
          THEN WE ARE GOING TO ALLOW THE DEPARTMENT NOTE TO DICTATE WHAT COUNTY ROADS WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THEIR MONEY ON. 
          AND IT SAYS, IS THAT AGAIN, GOING BACK TO STATE STATUTE, THE STATE STATUTE ADDRESSES FUNDING, HOW THE DOLLARS ARE ACCUMULATED, HOW THEY'RE PROCESSING AND GIVEN TO US, TO, FOR OUR EXPENDITURES. 
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AND THEN IT, THE STATE STATUTE STATED IN IT THAT WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF SPENDING 33% ON STATE SECONDARIES. 
          AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT. 
          AND I'LL KEEP QUIET FROM NOW ON. 
          OKAY, MARK. 
          I HAVE, I THOUGHT I'D HAD SAW YOUR HAND UP. 
          YOU DID, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT FURTHER DISCUSSION BRIAN, JIM. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I MEAN, IN GOING THROUGH THE, THIS, THIS EXERCISE, YOU KNOW, I, I DIDN'T HAVE, I GOT A NUMBER OF ROADS IN MY DISTRICT THAT ARE VERY LOW TRAFFIC, KIND OF, UM, VERY SHORT DISTANCES. 
          AND I PUT SOME CRITERIA ON THERE TO DO SOME SORTING. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I CAME UP WITH LIKE ONE ROAD IN MY, AND, YOU KNOW, USING THE CRITERIA THAT I APPLIED, I CAME UP WITH ONE ROAD. 
          UM, SO I, I, I KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LISTENING TO WHAT JENNY AND MARK SAID ABOUT, SHOULD WE BE LOOKING DIFFERENTLY AT HOW WE DO THIS? AND, YOU KNOW, MY THOUGHT PROCESS WAS, WELL, LET'S GET THE BIGGEST BANG FOR THE BUCK AND LOOK AT THE HEIGHT, HIGH TRAFFIC ROADS, LITTLE BIT LONGER DISTANCES. 
          UM, MAYBE WE CAN, UH, HAVE A LARGER IMPACT BY CHANGING THAT CRITERIA A LITTLE BIT ON HOW WE, HOW WE APPROACH THIS. 
          THE, UM, THOUGHT THAT I HAD BOUNCED AROUND AND, AND MENTIONED TO SEVERAL PEOPLE IS WE'LL GO BACK TO THE $850,000 AND SAY, WE'LL USE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OF USING $400,000 TO USE SOMETHING LIKE THE SCRUB SEAL ON THE LOW ATTS, WHICH WOULD $400,000 WOULD GO A LONG WAYS AND WOULD USE THE OTHER 450, WHICH WOULD GIVE US A HIGH ADT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HIT, UH, ELISABETH'S LIST. 
          AND THAT'S KIND OF JUST REACHING OUT AND GRABBING SOME NUMBERS. 
          AND I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A PREFERENCE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT I JUST THOUGHT, GEE, THERE'S, THERE'S A GOOD WAY OF BEING ABLE TO 400 AND 400 AND WILL BE ABLE TO TOUCH A LOT OF ROADS AND THE DISTRICTS IN NORTHERN BUFORD COUNTY IN PARTICULAR. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK WANTING TO BE EFFICIENT WITH, WITH SPENDING, I THINK SINCE WE COULD BE A LOT MORE, A LOT MORE CANDIDATES TO DO THIS, BUT, YOU KNOW, BEING A LITTLE SMART ON HOW WE PRIORITIZE AND SO THAT WE ARE EFFICIENT WITH, YOU KNOW, CONTRACT AND MOBILIZATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT, TO REALLY GET THE BEST BANG FOR THE BUCK THAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND. 
          THAT'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, BECAUSE THERE'S A SOCIAL COMPONENT. 
          IF YOU'RE IMPROVING THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR RESIDENTS OF BUFORD COUNTY. 
          I MEAN, THAT SOUNDS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, CLICHE-ISH, BUT IT'S, IT'S TRUE. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE NOT JUST DOING THIS TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF PAVEMENT, BUT DOING IMPROVE LIFE AND TRAVEL ABILITIES AND SO ON. 
          AND BEING ABLE TO GET TO JOBS, MAKE A MOTION. 
          WE DEFER THE DISCUSSION UNTIL AFTER WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO FIELD INVESTIGATE THE SCRUB SEAL IN PERSON. 
          THAT'S THE DEAL. 
          DO I HAVE A SECOND MORE, MORE CONVERSATION ON THAT? IF YOU DON'T MIND, MOST OF THAT KIND OF STUFF, JUST A BAND-AID. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THE THING THAT THEY LOOKED THROUGH ME FOR A FEW DAYS, UNTIL THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC WORDS AT ALL, THEY MADE THE COMMENT AND I WAS VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT IT, AND THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T CAST A VOTE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ON IT. 
          THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT DMT HAS RECOMMENDED IT. 
          NATE, THEY HAVE FOUND PARTICULARLY ON IT'S A ROAD BED IS GOOD. 
          UH, AND IT'S A LOW VOLUME ROAD THAT IT HAS. 
          WELL, THAT'S WHAT IT'S THERE FOR TO KEEP WATER PENETRATING INTO THE SOCIETY. 
          PRECISELY IT'S STILL BAD. 
          ELIZABETH, DO YOU KNOW OF ANY LOCATIONS THAT HAVE DONE THAT PRACTICE IN THIS DISTRICT? UM, YEAH, NOT IN OUR DISTRICT. 
          IT IS A NEW METHOD THAT THEY ARE LOOKING TO EXPLORE BEING DONE THROUGH ART THROUGH THE LAB OR THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE LAB, NOT THROUGH CONSTRUCTION, UM, OUTSIDE IN OTHER DISTRICTS,  GEORGIA. 
          IT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN IT BEING DONE BY THE LAB AND BEING DONE BY CONSTRUCTION. 
          GEORGIA HAS BEEN GROWING IT FOR SOMEWHERE AROUND 10 YEARS IN NORTH CAROLINA IS GOING BACK THE SAME LENGTH OF TIME. 
          UM, YES, JARED, I HAVE SOMETHING TO OFFER FOR CONSIDERATION. 
          UM, AND IT'S NOT TO THE SCRUB SEAL SPECIFICALLY, BUT JUST THREE DISCUSSION. 
          UM, AND AS IT GOES TO ADT, 
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LO ADT, UM, NOT A LOT OF TIMES, SOME PORTION OF THE ROADS THAT ARE BAD. 
          AND WE EXPERIENCED THAT JUST NOW WITH A BIGGEST STATE ROAD. 
          AND MAYBE THAT'S ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE TO LOOK AT. 
          WE'VE LOOKED AT MAYBE DOING THE FULL DEBT PATCH, BUT THAT WAS AN EXPENSIVE, BUT FOR $70,000 OR $75,000, WE ADDRESSED ALMOST TWO AND A HALF MILES OF ROAD TO MAKE A PORTIONS OF A ROAD BETTER. 
          SO THE OVERALL ROAD IS IN A MORE ACCEPTABLE CONDITION. 
          SO WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T PAY EVERYTHING, BUT THAT CONDITION, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THERE WAS A FUTURE PAVER PROJECT COMING ON, BIGGEST STATE ROAD WOULD KEEP THAT ROAD IN A BETTER WORKING CONDITION FOR A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL TIME. 
          SO JUST ANOTHER, UM, THOUGHT PROCESS FOR YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER. 
          THANK YOU, GREG. 
          ARE WE GOING TO GET THIS MONEY EVERY YEAR FOR THE SECOND ERA? I FULLY EXPECT IT TO GO UP HIGHER ACTUALLY NEXT YEAR. 
          UM, WE HAVEN'T HAD A, I'M GOING TO ASK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SEVEN EIGHT, IF YOU WOULD, AT THIS TIME TO GIVE YOU KIND OF A LITTLE BIT MORE FEEL OF WHAT'S HAPPENED. 
          UM, DLT FORECASTS, UM, THE FUNDING THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO RECEIVE THROUGH THE YEAR, AND THEN THE LAST MEETING WE HELD, THEY ONLY HAD SIX MONTHS FORECAST. 
          AND YET WHEN WE GO OUT TO BID OUR PROJECTS, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HIT BY, UH, JUNE 30TH OF THAT YEAR COMING AHEAD OF US. 
          AND WE HAVE YET TO RECEIVE OUR MAY AND JUNE, UM, FUNDS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO RECEIVE. 
          WE HAVE NO IDEA. 
          AND YET WE'RE TOLD WE HAVE TO SPEND 33% AND IT'S FOR YOUR ART. 
          DON'T SPEND OUR 33%. 
          AND THIS IS SOMETHING MR. FORCE HASN'T TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION IS THE FACT THAT WE CAN BE DEFUNDED. 
          IF WE DO NOT SPEND OUR 33%, WE HAVE TO JUST TAKE THAT THROUGH. 
          THEY'LL TAKE OUR FUNDS, THE WHOLE BUD. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          WHO MAKES THAT DECISION? D O T I MEAN, IN COLUMBIA OR COLUMBIA, JOE'S DETERMINES THE PROGRAM MANAGER AND HE WOULD MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION. 
          AND HE HAS BEEN THAT AGGRESSIVE WITH, WITH ME VERY FRANKLY, ON THE 30% OF THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS WE HAD TO SPEND, HE WAS VERY, VERY AGGRESSIVE. 
          AND, UH, I WAS LITERALLY SHOCKED IF WE DO NOT SPEND OUR REQUIRED AMOUNTS, WE GET AUDITED. 
          UM, BRITTANY WILL BE BRITNEY AND ELIZABETH W WILL BE AUDITED IN AUGUST. 
          SEPTEMBER TIME SPAN DOES AN ANNUAL REPORT THAT THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT OF WHERE WE SPENT OUR FUNDS ON STATE SECONDARIES. 
          SO WE FAILED TO DO SUCH WINK, PUT OURSELVES IN JEOPARDY OF NOT BEING FUNDED, BUT THEY DON'T SET THE CRITERIA. 
          AND THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING, SETTING THE CRITERIA. 
          THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE WE'RE CORRECT MORE WE'RE HERE. 
          WE'RE MORE AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR DISTRICTS. 
          THEN SOMEBODY IN COLUMBIA PRECISELY IS CHAIRMAN. 
          IF WE, IF WE CAN'T COME TO AGREEMENT ON THE, UH, THE LOW ADT ROADS, MAYBE WE OUGHT TO JUST BUY OUT AN INTERSECTION SIGNAL SYSTEM SOMEWHERE. 
          COULD IT BE DONE? IT'S REALLY THE COMMUNITY'S CHOICE OF WHERE THE MONEY IS SPENT, WHERE GOT A SIGNAL PROJECT COMING UP, KNOCK IT OUT RIGHT IN THAT GROUP. 
          THERE'S ALSO THE WHOLE THING ABOUT PEOPLE AND YOU'RE OUR REPRESENTATIVES. 
          WE'RE REPRESENTING COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          AND I THINK IF THERE'S ONE BIG PROJECT, ONE PLACE AND NOBODY ELSE GETS ANYTHING, I THINK THEY MIGHT WANT TO REPLACE EVERYBODY ON THE COMMITTEE. 
          JUST NOW I'M JUST KIDDING ABOUT THAT, BUT IT'S THERE. 
          WE HAVE TO GIVE CONSIDERATION TO THE FACT THAT WE'RE REPRESENTING THE WHOLE COUNTY AND NOT JUST ONE, YOU KNOW, VERY NECESSARY PROJECT SOMEWHERE, BUT STILL MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          YES, SIR. 
          OUR WITH, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO JENNY ARE, THEN WE SH ARE WE SAYING GEOGRAPHIC EQUITY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN NEED? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE REFERRING TO? THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID. 
          THAT'S NOT WHAT I UNDERSTOOD. 
          I SAID, WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE PEOPLE WONDERING WHY, ESPECIALLY IF THEY SEE RATINGS 
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AND SEE THAT THEY'RE A PROJECT IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, IT WAS HIGHLY RATE, YOU KNOW, RATED AS HIGHLY NECESSARY. 
          AND THEN IT'S, THERE'S ONLY ONE PROJECT. 
          AND FOR ONE THING, AND NOTHING ELSE HAS DONE, THAT WOULD PROBABLY CAUSE SOME NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS TO BE QUITE VOCIFEROUS. 
          SHALL WE SAY, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN OF FAST, THE CASE AND PQ, I SHOULD BE THE SOLUTION TO ALL OUR PROBLEMS AND AA D T I THINK YOU HAVE TO DON'T DO THAT ON COUNTY ROADS. 
          WE LET THE CONSULTANT COME UP WITH THE PROGRAM FOR US SO THAT WE ARE NOT VESTED IN IT GUSTO ACROSS THE COUNTY. 
          IN DOING THAT, I SIT IN THE VERY BEGINNING. 
          THIS WAS GOING TO BE A PHILOSOPHICAL. 
          WE HAD BUMPS GOING ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS SIX YEARS AGO, AND THAT I'M SEEING IT NOW, BUT I'M CERTAIN WE'LL GET IT BACK FOCUSED IN ONE DIRECTION. 
          AND THAT'S WHY THE CONVERSATIONS BEING HELD, BUT ANY ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS. 
          I, UM, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND WOULD BE THIS, THAT EACH OF THE DISTRICTS COMMITTEE, EACH MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE GO BACK AND READ, LOOK AT THE STREETS THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR DISTRICT TAKE, UM, SOME LOW ADT WHERE THEY NEED HELP AND LOOK AT THEM. 
          AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO RE REVIEW METHODOLOGY TO MAKE REPAIRS TO THEM. 
          ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE AND LOOK AT AND LIST AGAIN, THE ONES THAT ARE, HAVE A HIGHER ADT AND FLAG THOSE AND FLAG THE LISTS. 
          AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO TRY TO HAVE HAPPEN IS THAT BY SAY MID AUGUST, WE HAVE THAT PROVIDED INTO ELIZABETH. 
          I'VE HAD CONVERSATION WITH ANDREA, FOR HER TO DO SOME ESTIMATING, TO SEE WHAT THE COSTS WOULD BE FOR THE ROADS. 
          AND BY DOING THAT BY OUR NEXT MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE A WAY OF, OF LOOKING AT COSTS AND THEN MAYBE COMING UP WITH THE PROJECTS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PICK FOR THIS COMING YEAR TO HAVE BIDS. 
          DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A WAY TO GO RULE, UH, CALL THE CO CO CALL FOR A RULE OF ORDER? I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. 
          I DIDN'T HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION. 
          RESTATE YOUR MOTION. 
          MOTION, MARK. 
          IT WAS TO EVALUATE THIS SCRUB CEILING TAKE NO FURTHER ACTION UNTIL SCOPE SEALS COMPLETELY EVALUATED. 
          ELIZABETH RESPONDED SAYS, SHE'D BE GLAD TO FOLLOW UP WITH SOME DETAILS. 
          DO I HAVE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? I SAID FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY, AYE, MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          NOW I MADE THE COMMENT. 
          UH, WHAT'S THE THOUGHTS ON THAT? SO YOU WANT US TO REDO IT AGAIN, LOOKING AT LOWER ADTS PRECISELY. 
          UM, THAT'S FINE. 
          WHEN YOU GOT THREE AND FOUR AND FIVE AND SIX ROWS, WHEN YOU GOT 70 AND 60 AND YOU'RE DONE, AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT, I HAVEN'T HAD THE LIST IN FRONT OF ME STILL TODAY, MARK. 
          SO THEY WEREN'T ALL SENT TO ME YOUR MONEY. 
          YOU'RE ASKING US TO MAKE A HUMAN JUDGMENT. 
          WHEN WE HAVE A TECHNICAL DATABASE IN FRONT OF US, YOU KNOW, STATING WHAT THE PQI IS. 
          AND YOU WANT US TO GO OUT AND LOOK AT IT AND DO A WINDSHIELD SURVEY OF WHICH ONE'S THE WORST I'VE ASKED HIM THAT. 
          YES, BUT I CAN'T GO ALONG WITH THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT ONE, WE'VE GOT TECHNICAL DATA THAT WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO STICK TO ENGINEERING PRINCIPLES. 
          IF YOU REQUIRE RE RECALL, UM, WE HAD, UH, SIX OR SEVEN REMS BEFORE THE WE'RE GOING TO BE DONE. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS SUPPOSEDLY THE LATEST FROM, UH, S C D O T. 
          BUT WE DID THAT BEFORE WE FIND ROADS AND PITON NEED ANY WORK BEING DONE ON THEM. 
          IT WAS LIKE HALF A DOZEN OR SO. 
          THAT'S WHY THE READ LOOK IS I THOUGHT WOULD BE IMPORTANT IF YOU HAVE SIX OR SEVEN ROADS, IT'S NOT BAD. 
          YOU GOT TO ASK ME TO RIDE THAT MANY ROADS PHYSICALLY. 
          I HAVE A LIFE OUTSIDE OF THE CTC TO DO YOU WANT IT. 
          I MADE IT AS A SUGGESTION. 
          I'M OPEN. 
          IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION 
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TO JUST DO IT BY NUMBERS, LIKE THAT'S WHAT I'VE, THAT'S WHAT WE DO WITH THE COUNTY ROADS. 
          MAKE THEM GOOD ENOUGH FOR US TO USE ON PMS ON THE COUNTY ROADS. 
          WHY ISN'T IT GOOD ENOUGH FOR US TO USE ON STATE ROADS? MAKE THE MOTION I DID BY AUTHORIZING THE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE COUNTY, COLLECTING THE DEBT, NOT THE STATE DATA AND US LOOKING AT IT AND GO FROM THERE. 
          SO IF YOU WANT ANOTHER MOTION IS THE MOTION WOULD BE A, THE CTC SHOULD UTILIZE THE TECHNICAL ENGINEERING DATA PROVIDED BY THE S C D O T FOR ALL. 
          DECISION-MAKING USING PQI AS THE PRIMARY OBJECTIVE IN FUNDING, ALL SECONDARY HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT FUNDS STAY AT MY STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION FUNDS FOR ANNUAL ALLOCATIONS. 
          DO I HAVE A SECOND? OKAY. 
          I'LL WITHDRAW THE MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN, AS A, AS A POINT OF INFORMATION, IF THERE'S $800,000 OUT THERE FLOATING AROUND, WHAT ROLE DOES THE DEPARTMENT HAVE IN POSSIBLY SUGGESTING WHERE THAT $800,000 IS TO BE SPENT? IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SPEND THAT $800,000 INTO, INTO MEETING THE LETTER OF THE LAW, BECAUSE THE DEPARTMENT FROM THERE NEEDS INVENTORY, AND I'M SURE THE RESIDENT MAINTENANCE ENGINEER PROBABLY HAS A LIST. 
          THAT'S PROBABLY TWO MILES LONG OF POTENTIAL STATE ROADS THAT NEED IMPROVEMENT. 
          SO ROLE DOES THE DEPARTMENT HAVE IN SETTING UP HOW WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THAT $800,000? THE ANSWER IS SIMPLY, THIS GOES BACK TO THE TWO DOCUMENTS I REFERRED TO YOU BEFORE IT GOES BACK TO ENGINEERING DIRECTOR, 64 AND 65, AND IT ESTABLISHES THE CRITERIA AND IT TAKES PAVEMENT QUALITY INDEX, 40% WEIGHT, INTERNATIONAL ROUGHNESS INDEX IRI, 15% AVERAGE, DAILY TRAFFIC, 15% PERCENT PATCHING, 5% AVERAGE DAILY TRUCK TRAFFIC, 5% STATE FREIGHT NETWORK, 5% STRATEGIC CORRIDOR NETWORK, 5% FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION, 5% STATE SAFETY PROGRAMS, 5%. 
          THEN THEY GO TO ONCE WEIGHTED CRITERIA IS ENTERED INTO THE FORMULA. 
          THEY HAVE RELATIVE CONDITION CORRIDOR, COMMUTE, CONTINUITY, CONNECTIVITY, CONTRACTIBILITY THINGS, WHICH ARE NOT TO BE CONSIDERED AN FINANCIAL LIABILITY POTENTIAL FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION SOLUTIONS AND CONSISTENCY WITH LOCAL LAND USE PLANS. 
          SO WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU IS THAT I'M SURE WHAT YOU'VE SAID. 
          SHE PROBABLY HAS A LIST THAT'S A MILE LONG. 
          AND DOES THAT MEAN THAT, UH, WE ARE COORDINATING WITH HER ON HER LIST ON AN, ON AN ANNUAL BASIS AND LOOKING AT PROJECTS, MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO WHERE, UM, MONEY IS BEING SPENT ON HER MONEY'S BEING SPENT. 
          UM, BUT IT'S 99%. 
          WHAT, WHATEVER SHE SELECTS IS WHERE, WHERE IT GOES. 
          I THINK THAT'S THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO GET AT. 
          IF THE DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO SEND US A LIST OF POTENTIAL $800,000 EXPENDITURES, THEN WHAT ARE WE LOOKING FOR? I MEAN, ARE WE SAYING THAT WE HAVE TO ANALYZE EACH AND EVERY PROJECT TO SEE IF WE AGREE WITH IT? BECAUSE IN MY MIND, BY SAYING, WE AGREE WITH THE CRITERIA, YOU HAVE AN OFFICIAL WAY OF, OF SCORING THESE ROADS, THEN WHAT ARE WE DOING? AS FAR AS THE ANALYSIS, THERE'S 20 ROADS. 
          DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY, I'M SORRY, WE DON'T AGREE 
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WITH THESE 10, THROW THEM OUT. 
          AND IF THE ANSWER IS, THEN WE, MY THING ABOUT LETTING THE DEPARTMENT KEEP THE $800,000 IS ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF BECAUSE THEY'D GIVEN US THE 20 RHODES, THAT'S GOING TO SPEND THE $800,000. 
          I, I I'M HERE. 
          UM, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT AS A MOTION THAT ALL THE FUNDS WILL BE GIVEN BACK TO THE STATE, I'LL LET THIS GET OFF. 
          AND I'LL, I'LL TAKE THAT AS A HOLD ON FOR ALL I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS WHAT IS OUR ROLE IN YOU'VE ALREADY TOLD ME THAT THEY, THEY HAVE AN ANALYSIS OF THE ROADS OR THE THEY'RE GOING TO SPEND THAT MONEY ON THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT THEN IS OUR ROLE WITH THAT LIST? THE ANSWER IS THAT IS THE LIST THAT ELIZABETH IS USING TO COME UP WITH HER SPROUT SELECTION. 
          AND BECAUSE OF IT THERE'LL BE ROUTES THAT WILL NEVER BE PICKED AS THE ONES WHO JENNY HAS TALKED ABOUT. 
          MARK'S TALKED ABOUT, WE'LL NEVER SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY I'M BEING RESURFACED. 
          THAT'S WHY THEY GIVE THE MONEY FOR THE CTC TO USE IT AS THEIR DISCRETION, NOT THE STATE'S DISCRETION. 
          AND THAT'S, I KNOW THAT'S A STUMBLING BLOCK FOR YOU. 
          IT'S, IT'S THE CTCS RESPONSIBILITY. 
          THEY GET THE MONEY AND IT'S THEIR DECISION WHERE THE MONEY IS TO BE SPENT. 
          IF THE COMMUNITY WANTS, IF, IF YOU MAKE THEM WANT TO MAKE A MOTION, THAT THE MONEY BE TURNED OVER TO DDOT AND LET THEM MAKE THE DECISION, I'M WILLING TO ACCEPT THAT. 
          SO THEN YOU'RE TELLING ME THEY DON'T MAKE THE DECISION ON THAT $800,000 EXPENSES. 
          YOU DON'T MAKE THE DECISION. 
          NO YOU'RE GOING TO LET THEM MAKE THE DECISION. 
          UM, I GUESS I'M, I'M WILLING TO LET IT GO, MR. CHAIRMAN, CAUSE I'M GETTING MORE AND MORE CONFUSED. 
          I DRUNK YOU, YOU HAD MENTIONED TO ME WHEN YOU GIVE YOUR NEW ASSIGNED THIS PROJECT AND WHEN YOU AND I WAS SITTING DOWN AND TALKING, AND YOU SAID TO ME, UH, I WOULD GET A LOT OF FEEDBACK AND KNOW WHERE THE ROADS IN MY DISTRICTS AND THE CONDITION THAT THEY HAD IN. 
          SO AS I WAS GOING THROUGH THIS, CAUSE I GOT TO TELL YOU, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT, UH, UH, I'M LEARNING THIS. 
          BUT AS I WAS GOING THROUGH THIS, UH, EXERCISE, I SAW SOME ROLES THAT I KNOW I HAVE THE, UM, ADT, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, CAUSE I'M STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY ALL ARE, WHAT THESE ACRONYMS ON, UH, I'M LEARNING. 
          UM, BUT I THINK IT'S, UH, I FOUND IT TO BE QUITE EDUCATIONAL FOR ME TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND UH, SEEING THE ROAD THAT IN MY DISTRICT, CAUSE IT, IT IMPACTS THE COMMUNITY, MY COMMUNITY. 
          SO, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. 
          I'M GLAD YOU DID. 
          I DO, BUT IN REALITY, IT'S, IT'S BEEN, UH, A GREAT EDUCATIONAL FOR ME AGAIN. 
          UM, WHAT I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY WAS THAT YOU COULD TAKE YOUR LIST, WORK THROUGH YOUR LIST, MAKE SELECTIONS, BOTH HAVE HIGH ADT, AS WELL AS, AND PQI THAT NEEDED IT. 
          USE THOSE TWO FACTORS IN SELECTING BOTH ROADS. 
          IT GETS HEAVY TRAFFIC AND ROADS THAT WOULD GET LIKE TRAFFIC. 
          WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GET OURSELVES TO A POINT. 
          UM, I CAN GET PEOPLE DOWN FROM DDOT TO TALK ABOUT SCRUB SEAL BECAUSE THEY THEY'VE RAN INTO THE HALLWAY UP AND DOWN THE LINE THAT THEY THEY'VE, THEY'VE ADOPTED THE PROCESS, I'VE ACCEPTED THE PROCESS. 
          SO I, AND I CAN PROBABLY PROBABLY GET, UH, I WOULD ALSO ENCOURAGE YOU TO, UM, GOOGLE SCRUB SEAL AND LEARN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROCESS. 
          UM, AND BY OUR NEXT MEETING, I KNOW THAT I'LL HAVE BEEN ON THE SPECS FROM CHARLESTON COUNTY. 
          THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO SEND THEM TO ME. 
          UM, BUT IF WE HAVE BY MID APRIL OR MID AUGUST, THE ROADS THAT YOU WANT YOUR DISTRICT, WE CAN GET SOME DOLLARS PUT TOGETHER TO LOOK AT WHERE THE DOLLARS WILL BE SPENT SO THAT OUR SEPTEMBER MEETING, WE CAN SIT DOWN AND WE CAN MAKE IT LIST 
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BY DISTRICT, NOT HORSE TRADE, SO TO SPEAK. 
          BUT WE'RE THE WORDS WHERE THE DOLLARS NEED TO BE SPENT IN YOUR DISTRICT. 
          DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A REASONABLE APPROACH? I SEE HEADS NODDING. 
          OKAY. 
          WAS SOMEBODY CARED TO FORM THAT AN EMOTION FOR ME, JIM, UM, THAT WE CONDUCT ANOTHER REVIEW OF THE INSTRUMENT, THE ENGINEERING INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE FOR OUR DISTRICTS AND LOOK AT IT IN TERMS OF, OF HIGH AND LOW ADTS AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, PUT CONSIDERATION ON A FOR PQI AND COME UP WITH A LIST OF A PRIORITY LIST OF RECOMMENDED ROADS FOR IMPROVEMENT IN ONLY TWO INDIVIDUAL DISTRICTS AND HAVE THAT BY THAT BY MID AUGUST TO ELIZABETH. 
          DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? OKAY. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          DISCUSSION, DISCUSSION. 
          GOSH, UH, IT'S GOTTA BE A THRESHOLD FOR PQI CAUSE YOU KNOW, IF YOU GONE GET 0.1 NINES OR ARE YOU GOING TO GET WHAT YOU SAY BEFORE YOU HAD AN ADT THRESHOLD OF SOMETHING BEFORE 2,005,000, IT CAME BACK DOWN TO, I THINK 3,530. 
          WE WANT TO REDUCE THAT TO 2,500 AND I'M JUST ASKING, YOU KNOW, I'M MAKING IT AS THE RESERVATION 2,500 AND UM, GREATER THAN TWO, LESS THAN TWO, LESS THAN TWO. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND PQI PAID FOR QUALITY. 
          AND WHAT IS THE NUMBER TWO? OKAY. 
          I'M PROUD TO ANNOUNCE THE DISTRICT TO DISTRICT TWO HAS NO ROADS THAT QUALIFY FOR THAT STANDING OUT OF APPROXIMATELY 75 ROADS. 
          THIS IS GREAT. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, ARE WE STILL IN DISCUSSION OR WAS THE VOTE TAKEN IN DISCUSSION? OKAY. 
          SHE JUST EXPLAINED TO ME SO I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          I BELIEVE ME. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          I WANT TO KNOW IF THERE, IF THERE IS A NEEDS INVENTORY OF POTENTIAL STATE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS BETTER PRIORITIZED BY AN APPROVED SELECTION PROCESS BY DISTRICT, BY DISTRICT COUNTY, WHATEVER. 
          AND IN BUFORD COUNTY, THAT PRIORITY LIST CAN SPEND $800,000 ON THOSE PRIORITY ROADS. 
          WHAT THEN DOES THIS EXERCISE THAT YOU'RE ASKING EVERYONE TO DO? HOW DOES THAT INFLUENCE THAT LIST? ARE, IS THIS LIST GOING TO BE IN ADDITION, IS IT GOING TO BE LOOKING AT CLOSE THE NEEDS INVENTORY LIST? AND WELL, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS ROAD IS MORE QUALIFIED THAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE DOING AS IT RELATES TO SPENDING THE $800,000. 
          WHAT IT DOES IS THAT BY DOING THE, GOING BACK AND DOING THIS ANALYSIS ONE MORE TIME, THEN WE GET ESTIMATES PERFORMED AGAINST. 
          AND WE AS A COMMITTEE, SIT DOWN AND MAKE A SELECTION OF THE ROADS FOR THIS YEAR. 
          THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE ROADS THAT ARE ON THAT LIST DON'T FALL INTO THE NEXT YEAR. 
          THAT WEREN'T SELECTED. 
          WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS ESSENTIALLY COME UP WITH A PAVING PROGRAM AND HAVING DIRECT INPUT FROM EACH OF THE DISTRICTS INTO THAT PAVING PROGRAM, RATHER THAN TURNING THE MONEY OVER TO THE STATE AND LETTING THE STATE SELECTIONS WHERE IT GOES, IT GIVES US, IT 
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GIVES EACH OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS WOULD, JENNY MARK WOULD MAKE, WHOEVER HAS A NEED IN THEIR DISTRICT WOULD MAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS BASED UPON HERE'S THE PICTURES, HERE'S THE PROBLEMS. HERE'S WHAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED. 
          ANDRE WILL HAVE DONE THE QUICK ESTIMATES ON THEM. 
          AND THEN WE CAN GO THROUGH THE LIST AND SELECT THE ONES FOR EQUALING DOLLAR AMOUNT, $850,000 FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR, AS WELL AS, AND THIS IS WHAT WAS SAID LAST MEETING, THE LAST TIME THIS PROJECT WAS DISCUSSED. 
          AND THEN WE GO AHEAD AND PUT ROADS THAT WERE SELECTED BOARD SELECTED AND LOOKED AT THEM FOR THE NEXT YEAR. 
          SO WE ARE ESSENTIALLY BASING A NEED-BASED PROGRAM, HOW TO EXPAND OUR FUNDS IN FUTURE YEARS. 
          WELL THEN WHAT ROLE DOES THE DEPARTMENT HAVE INTO PROVIDING INPUT TO THAT ANALYSIS? THEY WERE THE ONES THAT DID THE PQI AND THEY'RE THE ROADS THAT THEORETICALLY SHOULD BE IMPROVED NEXT BY AND SELECTED BY EACH DISTRICT MEMBER. 
          . 
          THESE ARE, WE WERE THE ONES WHO HAVE PUSHED O T TO GET OUR PQI DONE. 
          THEY HAVE HAVE COMPLETED THE COMPLETE PQI OF ALL THE STATE SECONDARIES IN THE STATE. 
          AS OF 2020, EVERYTHING IS CAUGHT UP. 
          THEY'VE COMPLETED THE PROGRAM STATE SECONDARIES ARE DONE. 
          THEY DO IN-HOUSE STATE PRIMARIES AND, UM, INTERSTATE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEY AGREE TO DO IT. 
          THEY'VE DONE IT. 
          THEY'RE PROVIDING A LIST OF, OF ROADS TO, TO SPEND THAT MONEY. 
          WHAT, AGAIN, SUPPOSE OUR ANALYSIS DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY OR ALL OF THOSE ROBOTS. 
          AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO THE CRITERIA THAT WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING. 
          IT'S BASED UPON ADT AND PQI THANK YOU. 
          FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND NUMBER FOUR, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY, AYE, THOSE OPPOSED, NO MOTION CARRIES. 
          IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE MISS AMERICA CONTEST. 
          YOU START WITH LIKE WHAT 52 PEOPLE AND YOU GET IT DOWN TO ONE. 
          AND SO THIS IS, WE START WITH PROBABLY ALL THE DISTRICTS PUT TOGETHER THERE'S WELL OVER A THOUSAND, CORRECT. 
          AND WE'VE GOT TO GET IT DOWN TO $800,000 WORTH AND IT GIVES US THE PRIORITY OF ESTABLISHING WHAT YOU WANT IN YOUR DISTRICT. 
          YEAH. 
          CAUSE I MEAN, THERE'S TWO MEN, OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T DO THEM ALL. 
          SO WHAT THE DOD IS SAYING IS YOU, YOU COUNTIES ALL OVER THE, YOU KNOW, ALL 46 COUNTIES, SIT DOWN AND DETERMINE WHICH OF THESE SAY THOUSAND PROJECTS, WHICH MAYBE SIX OR SOMETHING YOU RECOMMEND WORKING, YOU KNOW, DOING THE NEXT YEAR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UNDER NEW BUSINESS. 
          UM, JASPER COUNTY COUNCIL, UH, WORKSHOP WAS MOVED TO, UH, NINE AUGUST. 
          I BELIEVE FUNDING NINE AUGUST AT FIVE 30, UH, ESSENTIALLY, UM, JARED, MYSELF AND STU RODMAN WILL BE GOING TO, UM, JASPER COUNTY. 
          WE'VE GOT A VERBAL COMMITMENT, UM, FOR A MILLION DOLLARS FOR YOU, SOME ONE 70. 
          AND BASICALLY THAT WILL BE AN EVENING WHERE WE ARE THERE TO SUPPORT THEM, KICKING IN OUT OF THERE, UH, ROGUE TAX, UM, A BILLION DOLLARS FOR OUR, UM, ONE 70 WORK. 
          I WAS JUST NUMBER SIX, NUMBER SEVEN TREASURER'S REPORT. 
          YOU'VE HEARD MY COMMENTS ABOUT THE PAYOUT TO GOT A BI-MONTHLY REPORT, JIM, UM, IN TERMS OF, UH, FINISHING UP THE LAST FISCAL YEAR, UM, YOUR HAVE THIS C FUND REPORT, BRITTANY, I ASSUME THAT 21 IS STILL NOT QUITE FINALIZED BASED ON A CON CON. 
          SO THIS IS STILL AN ESTIMATE ON WHERE WE'RE GOING TO END 21 IN TERMS OF THE BALANCE ON HAND, UM, JUNE, UM, CAN COME IN INVOICE ON JULY. 
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ONCE THE COUNTY IS PAYS OUT, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND ROLL OVER ANYTHING WITH OUR REVENUES AND WON'T BE SITTING AS MIDLAKE LATE AT THIS POINT, HAVE NOT SEEN THAT IN THE STATE. 
          SO AT THE NEXT MEETING, YOU'LL HAVE A FULL POST OUT I'LL FINALLY. 
          AND SO IN TERMS OF THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A, UH, ESTIMATES FOR END OF THE YEAR BALANCE AND SOME ESTIMATES ON WHERE SPENDING IS GOING TO BE STILL BEING PROCESSED. 
          UM, ONE ITEM OF NOTE, AND I, CRAIG MENTIONED IT EARLIER, WAS THAT THERE ISN'T GOING TO BE A FUNDING FROM THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, UM, IS GOING TO BE $50 MILLION TO ALL THE CTCS ARE ESTIMATED. 
          UM, PORTION OF THAT IS ABOUT 1.1, 4 MILLION. 
          UM, AND IF YOU ROLL THAT THROUGH WITH ESTIMATES OF US SPENDING FOR THIS YEAR WITH, UH, YEAR FOUR YEAR FIVE AND SOME CONTINGENCIES, UM, WE'RE PROJECTING AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, ESTIMATES, ESTIMATED BALANCE AT THE END OF THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, OUR NEW FISCAL YEAR OF ABOUT 2.3, 6 MILLION. 
          AND AGAIN, THESE ARE ESTIMATES AT THIS POINT. 
          UM, I GUESS THERE'S STILL UNCERTAINTY ON THE, UH, ON THIS FUNDING FROM THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY AS TO WHETHER THAT WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE, UH, 33% POINT 33% THAT THEY, AS THEY'VE DONE IN THE PAST POPE AVENUE, AS AN EXAMPLE, CAME WITH MANY STRINGS ATTACHED TO IT HAD TO BE FEDERAL ROUTE. 
          IT HAD TO HAVE A STATE PRIMARY AND ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT CRITERIA ON IT. 
          SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IS, FUNDING, WHAT STRINGS ARE GOING TO COME ATTACHED TO THAT. 
          BUT IN TERMS OF OUR, AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION WE'VE BEEN HAVING OVER THE LAST 30 MINUTES OR SO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE GOING TO BE IN THE 830 TO $50,000 RANGE, UM, EXCLUDING ANY, ANY STRINGS ATTACHED TO THE, UM, GENERAL ASSEMBLY, ADDITIONAL FUNDING. 
          UM, BUT AS BRITTANY NOTED, UH, BY OUR NEXT MEETING, WE'LL HAVE CLOSED OUT FISCAL YEAR 21. 
          SO WE'LL KNOW WHAT OUR, WHAT OUR ENDING BALANCE WAS. 
          AND A LOT OF THE PROJECTS SPENDING FOR THAT PERIOD WOULD BE CLOSED OUT ALSO. 
          SO, BUT I DO WANT TO THANK, UM, BRITTANY AND, AND ANDREA FOR PUTTING THEIR BEST ESTIMATE OF WHAT WERE WE LOOKING AT AS OF TODAY, AGAIN, WHAT THE QUALIFIERS ON THINGS ARE NOT, NOT TOTALLY CLOSED OUT FOR FISCAL 21. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY QUESTIONS HEARING NONE? IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY PUBLIC COMMENT YOU MADE. 
          CHAIRMAN'S COMMENTS WILL SIMPLY BE THIS, UM, I, THE DISCUSSION CONCERNING THE STATE SECONDARY WITH FULL VISION, THAT I KNOW THAT THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT VIEWS. 
          UM, I ASKED THAT EVERYBODY RESPECT EACH OTHER'S VIEWS, UH, AND WE ARE HERE TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY WITH OUR TIME AND EFFORT. 
          AND, UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND EFFORT FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE GOING OUT THROUGH YOUR DISTRICTS AND LOOKING AT THEM AND COMING UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU'LL BE DOING OVER THE NEXT 30 DAYS. 
          IT'S BEEN A VERY INTERESTING TRYING TIME OVER THE LAST MONTH, BUT WE'RE ALL ADULTS, A LOT OF HELPFUL GRADUATE, COOPERATING, AND GRADUALLY. 
          AND THAT'S MY MESSAGE FOR CHAIRMAN'S COMMENTS. 
          SEE NO OTHER BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE US. 
          I MOVE THIS MEETING, BE ADJOURNED, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. 
          THANK YOU.
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