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[1. CALL TO ORDER]
EVENING, EVERYONE LOOKING FROM AFAR.THIS IS A QUARTERLY WORKSHOP THAT WE HAVE.
UM, TONIGHT WE'RE GONNA HAVE SEVERAL THINGS AND WE HAVE A COUPLE OF NEW AGENDA ITEM, FORMAL ITEMS WE'LL NEED TO VOTE ON, BUT IT IS TUESDAY, JULY 20TH.
EVERYONE ON COUNCIL IS PRESENT.
UM, I WILL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER MS. CHAPMAN.
ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO PROBLEM.
[3.1. May River Road Pocket Park Update]
OUR WORKSHOP ITEMS. WE HAVE THREE.WE HAVE MAY RIVER ROAD, POCKET PARK, STORMWATER EXTENT OF SERVICE, PUBLIC MEETING PROTOCOL.
AND I APOLOGIZE FOR EATING LUNCH, BOB.
BRIAN'S JOINED THAT JUST SINCE STEVEN'S NOT NEW ANYMORE.
WE KNOW IT'S REALLY NOT FORMAL UP HERE AND WE ALL ASK QUESTIONS AND USUALLY IF THE PUBLIC'S HERE, WE LET THE PUBLIC CHIME IN AFTER ALL OF COUNCILS ASK QUESTIONS.
SO NO, BRIAN, SO THE MAY RIVER ROAD, POCKET PARK UPDATE.
I JUST WANT TO START OFF REMIND YOU WHERE THE LOCATION IS.
IT'S, UH, LOCATED ON MAY RIVER ROAD ACROSS FROM, UH, DOWNTOWN DELHI DOLLAR GENERAL AREA, UM, ADJACENT TO THE STOCK FARM.
HERE'S AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PARK.
UM, YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF THE IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN INSTALLED ALREADY WITH THE MAY RIVER ROAD.
STREET-SCAPE, UH, WE HAVE SOME BENCHES, PALM TREES, UM, TRASH CANS, LIGHTING, ET CETERA.
HERE'S ANOTHER ANGLE JUST FROM, UH, I GUESS THE ORTHOMETRIX VIEW.
UH, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HOW IT TIES IN WITH THAT, UH, PATH TO THE LEFT AND TO STOCK FARM.
UM, THE ITEMS THAT WE'VE ALREADY INSTALLED WITH THE STREETSCAPE CONSTRUCTION.
SO A LITTLE HISTORY ABOUT THIS PROJECT, UM, TOWN COUNCIL APPROVED THIS AND IN 2017 AS PART OF THE, UH, MAY RIVER ROAD, STREET-SCAPE, UH, THERE'S A DONATION MADE BY MAYBERRY HOLDINGS FOR, UM, 0.3 ACRES FOR A POCKET PART.
UM, THE DONATION AGREEMENT STATED THAT THE GRANTEE SHALL CONSTRUCT LANDSCAPING, IRRIGATION, HARDSCAPE FENCING, A PEDESTRIAN MALL AREA WITH BENCHES, STRUCTURAL IMPROVEMENTS AND OR VISUAL ENHANCEMENTS.
AND IT REFERENCES THIS EXHIBIT RIGHT HERE.
SO AGAIN, UM, LET'S SEE IF I DON'T SOME OF THESE ITEMS YOU CAN SEE THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE CONCEPT PLAN, WE'VE ALREADY INSTALLED THOSE, BUT OTHER ITEMS SUCH AS THIS BRICK EDGE WALL ALONG THE BACK, THIS SEATING AREA PLAZA KIND OF AREA, WE HAVE NOT CONSTRUCTED THAT.
AND THAT'S KIND OF ONE-ON-ONE TO SHOW YOU TONIGHT.
SO, UM, AGAIN, WE'VE CONSTRUCTED MANY OF THESE ITEMS ALREADY, UM, WITH THE FY 22 BUDGET, UH, COUNCIL APPROVED 141,000 THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THIS POCKET PARK.
15,000 OF THAT WAS TO COME UP WITH THE, UM, ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS.
AND 126,000 WAS FOR CONSTRUCTION.
UM, DURING THE BUDGET MEETING, UM, COUNCIL ASKED US TO INVESTIGATE AND MAYBE DO A LITTLE, A VALUE ENGINEERING ON THAT COST TO SEE IF WE COULD COME UP WITH SOME REDUCTIONS IN THE PRICE.
SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE GO WITH OUR LANDSCAPE PLANNER AND WE CAME UP WITH THIS DRAWING.
THIS WILL BE CONCEPT A I'LL CALL IT.
UH, WE REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF PLANNINGS.
WE REDUCED THE AMOUNT OF BENCHES.
UH, WE SHIFTED THE PLAZA, UM, TO THE WEST AWAY FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY LINE.
AND WE ADDED A, UH, A SIDEWALK CONNECTOR, UM, FROM STOCK FARM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARK TO THE SIDEWALK.
AND THAT WAS THAT REQUEST FROM, UH, MR. MCCRACKEN.
AND SO THIS KIND OF HIGHLIGHTS, I KNOW IT WAS HARD TO TELL, BUT THE ITEMS IN RED OR WHAT WE REMOVED OR SHIFTED, AND THE ITEM IN GREEN IS WHAT WE'VE ADDED.
SO AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE SIDEWALK KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE.
WE'VE REDUCED SOME PALM TREES AND SHRUBS, UH, KIND OF THE SCOPE OF THAT PLAZA TO THE THAT'S ONE OPTION, ANOTHER OPTION WE'VE REDUCED EVEN MORE.
UH, WE TOOK AWAY THE PLAZA ALTOGETHER.
UH, WE'VE ELIMINATED THAT BRICK EDGE BETWEEN THE PLANNINGS AND THE SIDE.
AND, UH, WE'VE KEPT THAT CENTER WALKWAY.
ANOTHER WALKWAY, JUST A CONNECTION TO THE EAST.
SO AGAIN, WHAT'S IN GREEN IS WHAT WE'VE ADDED AND WHAT'S IN RED IS WHAT WE'VE TAKEN AWAY, JUST CONCEPTS.
THIS ISN'T APPROVED AND TALK ABOUT TONIGHT, JUST SOME IMAGERY.
THESE ARE KIND OF THE, UH, THE THOUGHTS WE WERE THINKING, YOU KNOW, UM, IT'S TYPICAL WITH SOME OF
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THE STREETSCAPE AND PROJECTS THAT WE DO WITH THE GROUND COVER THE BRICK EDGING AND THE TABBY SIDEWALK.UM, YOU CAN SEE THE SITE FURNISHINGS THAT ARE ALREADY OUT THERE, WE'D MATCH OUR BENCHES AND TRASH CANS AND PLANNERS AND ITEMS THAT WE ALREADY USE PROJECTS.
AND THEN THIS, UH, IF WE WENT WITH THAT ITEM, A, UH, WE REDUCED THE CONSTRUCTION COST DOWN TO ABOUT $120,000.
IF WE WENT TO THE REALLY SCALE DOWN OPTION B, UH, OUR ESTIMATE IS $57,000.
SO YOU CAN SEE AS QUITE A SIGNIFICANT DROP, UM, ESPECIALLY IF WE GO TO OPTION B.
UM, SO TONIGHT JUST WANTED TO TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT THAT.
UM, IF ANY OF THOSE OPTIONS APPEAL TO YOU, OR IF YOU WANTED TO ADD OR REMOVE ANY MORE, UM, THOUGHTS.
AND THEN AFTER THIS, WE WILL MAKE SURE IT CONVEYS WITH, UH, THE DONATION AGREEMENT.
WE'LL TAKE IT BACK TO MR. MARX, WHO DONATED THE PROPERTY AND MR. GET THEIR INPUT, BUT BASICALLY, UM, MOVE FORWARD WITH CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS AND START CONSTRUCTION IN THE SPRING.
SO I'M HAPPY TO GET BACK TO ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS FROM BRIAN OR THOUGHTS ON WHICH ONE HERE'S THE ORIGINAL AGAIN, THIS IS THE APPROVED, WELL, THE ONE THAT'S IN THE DONATION AGREEMENT.
BRIAN, CAN YOU TELL US ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT CONCEPTS, UM, RIGHT HERE, THE ADOPTED BUDGET, THE CONSTRUCTION, UM, IS 126,000 FOR THE, THE ONE THAT WAS IN THE DONATION AGREEMENT.
THE ONE THAT HAS THAT FIRST SCALE DOWN, UM, REMOVING THE PLANNINGS, UH, REDUCING SOME OF THE BRICK WALL WAS 119.
SO REALLY ONLY ABOUT $7,000 IN SAVINGS.
THE ONE THAT GETS RID OF THE PLAZA ALTOGETHER AND REMOVES THAT BRICK EDGING ALTOGETHER IS 57 BRICK WALL.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE COMMUNITY, THE ORIGINAL DONATION AGREEMENT INCLUDED THE ONE THAT'S 126,000.
THAT WAS WHAT WAS, I GUESS, AGREED UPON OR PART OF THAT ORIGINAL AGREEMENT.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT IS WHAT THEY WANT, NOT SPEAKING FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, BUT THE PROBABLY LATE NOW, BUT I THINK I TALKED TO HIM EMIT YESTERDAY AND HE WAS UNSURE OF OUR PUBLIC COMMENT PROCESS.
SO, UM, THE POA, I SAID, YOU NEED TO GET KIM, GET THE POA PRESIDENT TO PROVIDE INPUT.
AND I SAID, BUT DO YOU WANT TO TELL ME, CAUSE I'M HAPPY TO RELAY UP.
HE JUST WANTED TO ENSURE, UM, BOTH HE AND THE POA PRESIDENT WANTED TO ENSURE THE TWO SIDEWALKS COULD CONNECT.
THEY STOPPED AND THEN THERE'S GRASS.
AND THEN THERE'S OUR SIDEWALK.
AND HIS HOPE WAS THAT WE WOULD CONNECT TO THAT.
AND I DID TELL HIM, I SAID, THIS IS EXTREMELY HIGH FOR A PARK.
AREN'T GONNA BE PLAYING KICKBALL.
SO HE WANTED THE, HE WAS VERY, VERY FOCUSED ON THE TWO SIDEWALKS.
SO WHICH TO ME, I LIKED THE NUMBER, UM, OF YOUR LAST PLAN, BUT THAT WAS FROM HIM.
MY ONLY QUESTION WOULD BE IN OUR AGREEMENT THAT WE AGREED TO WHEN WE TOOK IT AS A DONATION ON A DESCRIBES THE FIRST ONE IN THAT.
SO LEGALLY, I MEAN, I GUESS IT'S A LEGAL QUESTION.
WHETHER WE HAVE TO DO WHAT WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO DO OR WHAT WE AGREED TO DO OR SOMETHING LESS THAN THAT, UM, RECOLLECTION WAS THAT THAT WAS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT THE, THE WORDING AND THE METALLICS IS STRAIGHT FROM THE AGREEMENT SEXUAL PLAN, BUT IT OUTLINES THE THINGS THAT ARE SHOWN ON THAT CONCEPTUAL PIECE.
THERE'S NO PEDESTRIAN MALL AREA.
ISN'T THAT VERY VAGUE COULD NOT BE A GRASSY MEADOW.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT A PEDESTRIAN MALL AREA THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE SIDEWALKS.
I THINK WE COULD, WE COULD SEE, WE COULD ARGUE SUCCESSFULLY THAT, UM, PLAN B YOU HAVE THE BOTH SIDEWALKS JOINING, RIGHT? YES.
SIDEWALKS WOULD EFFICIENTLY COVER THE REMOVAL OF THE PEDESTRIAN PLAZA AS BRIAN HAS CALLED IT.
WHAT ABOUT THE, UM, WHERE IT SAYS BENCHES AND PLAN B DOESN'T SHOW ANY BENCHES? LET ME REMOVE THE BENCHES.
TECHNICALLY I THINK WE'VE ADDED THE BENCHES AS PART OF THE STREETSCAPE PROJECT.
I MEAN, IT SERVES THE POCKET PARK ITSELF.
I'M OKAY WITH WHATEVER Y'ALL GET THEM TO AGREE.
I JUST, YOU KNOW, WE JUST GOTTA MAKE SURE WE DO SOMETHING CLOSE TO WHAT WE SAID WE WERE GOING FOR.
IT'S SHOWING THOSE BENCHES, THE TRASH CANS, THE PALM TREES WE'VE ALREADY INSTALLED THOSE.
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UM, THE BENCH IN QUESTION WOULD BE BACK HERE.I'VE PERSONALLY BEEN IN FAVOR OF THE, UM, ORIGINAL CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND, UM, IN RESPECTS OF WHAT, UH, COUNCILMAN TUMOR SAID, I THINK IF THAT WAS THE, UM, THE VISION OR THE UNDERSTANDING OF, UM, THE MAYBE ENROLLED IN COMPANY THAT DONATED ON THAT PROPERTY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US, UM, CONTINUE ON IN THAT PATH OR THAT DIRECTION I'LL HAVE AN OPTION THAT WILL, I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT YOUR COMMENTS.
UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY WANT, WE KNOW THAT EMMETT MENTIONED THE SIDEWALKS.
THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS ORIGINAL PLAN.
JUST THE, IT WOULD CONNECT RIGHT HERE.
I WALKED, IT KIND OF COMES INTO THE PLAZA, BUT THE ONE THAT MIDDLE CONNECTION.
UH, I GUESS MY POINT IS, I WONDER IF THERE'S NOT SOME, WE CAN DOWN MAYBE PLAN B, WHICH IS SOMEWHAT OF A COMPROMISE WITH THE SIDEWALKS CONNECTING OPTION B, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE, THE PLAZA.
I THINK I WOULD SUGGEST TO COUNCIL THAT PERHAPS INSTRUCTIONS TO BRIAN IS FOR HIM TO GO OPTION A AND OPTION B TO THE POA AND SEE IF THEY ARE FINE WITH OPTION B.
IF THEY'RE FINE WITH OPTION B, THEN GIVE HIM THE AUTHORITY TO GO FORWARD WITH THAT.
WELL, I THINK, UM, WELL I WANT TO BE SURE WHEN WE GAVE THE OPTION A, WAS THAT OUR CONCEPT OR WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE HOLDING COMPANIES THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE RIGHT HERE, RIGHT? IT WAS A COMBINATION OF ADDING SEVERAL THINGS, ADDING WHAT THEY'VE ASKED FOR, WHICH WAS THAT CENTER CONNECTION.
AND ALSO LOOKING AT WHAT YOU GUYS ASKED US TO DO, WHICH WAS LOOK AT REDUCING THE COST.
SO IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH.
I WOULD SAY IT ACCOMPLISHES BOTH THINGS.
THEY REDUCE THE COST, NOT BY A LOT $7,000.
UM, BUT IT ALSO PROVIDED THAT CENTER CONNECTION 13,000 FOR PLANNING PLAN TO ACTUALLY COME UP WITH A CONSTRUCTION DRAWING BASED ON THIS EXHIBIT, BECAUSE THERE'S QUITE A GREAT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE GRASS.
AND SO JUST TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT CAN BE CONSTRUCTED ABOUT 15, THAT PLAN WE'LL WORK ON IN EITHER OF THE THREE, SHE WOULD USE THAT 15,000 TO PAY FOR EITHER OF THOSE.
A QUESTION IF EVERYONE'S ASKED IT'S UM, YES.
UM, THE MOM AND ME SAYS, WELL, LET'S JUST GIVE THE DONATION BACK.
CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'VE IMPROVED IT AND WE'VE GRASPED IT.
AND WITH THAT FITS, THERE'S SO MUCH FEDS.
AND I WENT THERE AGAIN YESTERDAY AFTER EMMETT CALLED ME, CAUSE I DIDN'T REMEMBER A SECOND SIDEWALK THAT REALLY WENT TO NOWHERE AND IT'S SO LANDSCAPE, YOU'VE DONE A BEAUTIFUL JOB.
AND BY THE WAY, YOUR PLANTERS ARE MUCH PRETTIER THAN THEY WERE BEFORE.
I GUESS THE RAIN MADE PLANTS GROW.
BUT I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO ADD MORE LANDSCAPE.
I THINK JUST TO TAKE IT OFF OF YOUR LANE, LET'S KEEP THESE TREES IN THE BUFFER WHERE THEY NEED TO BE AND NOT TEAR THOSE DOWN.
UM, BECAUSE THE BUILDING THAT'S BEING BUILT NOW, THEY, THEY, IN THE BUILDING ON THE CORNER, THEY WERE ALLOWED TO TAKE TREES OUT OF THEIR BUFFER, WHICH ARE PLANTS THAT WERE REPLANNING TO REPLACE MAYBE SOME TREES, HEY THERE.
AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT YOUR WORLD.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT EVEN A PARK OF ANY SIZE IS GONNA CAUSE ANYBODY TO DO ANYTHING, BUT IT DAY ON OR NOW THEY CAN DRIVE THEIR GOLF CART UP THE ROAD TO GET ON, ON THE SIDEWALK TO GET A HAYWARD STREET.
SO I LIKE OPTION B AND I'D LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE Y'ALL SHOULD TAKE IT BACK.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING, THINGS THAT REALLY WERE NOT PLANNED ON BEING DONE.
SO, UM, YOU'VE GOT ALL THREE, YOU'VE GOT ALL DIFFERENT SUGGESTIONS FOR ME TOO.
I DO HAVE ANOTHER ONE WATCH UNTIL THE PROPERTY OF THIS POCKET PARK, UM, WAS DONATED AND OWNED BY THE TOWN NOW.
RIGHT? SO THE REASON TO GO BACK TO THE POA IS JUST OUT OF A COURTESY TO THEM AND NOT A NECESSITY, BUT IT WASN'T THE POA THAT DONATED IT.
IT WAS NOT AS BAD, BUT I'M SAYING NOW THE CONVERSATION I HEARD PEOPLE SAYING, TAKE
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OPTION A AND B TO THE POA AND GET THEIR CONSENT IS I'M ASKING, ARE WE DOING THAT OUT OF COURTESY BECAUSE IT'S NOT A NECESSITY, RIGHT? FRED ASSET.SO I WOULD THINK IT'S MORE OF A COURTESY, BUT THE, UM, AND I'M NOT IN THE POA.
SO I DON'T LIVE IN THAT POA, EVEN THOUGH I LIVE ON STOCK FORM ROAD, BRIDGET, I WAS LEADING UP TO SOMETHING.
I WANTED TO FIND OUT WHAT CONCEPT IT WAS FIRST ELA.
THEN YOU HAVE MORE WEIGHT TO ME.
BUT IF, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT LIKE LISA SAID, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE JUST TRY AND LACK OF A BETTER WORD.
WE WILL GIVE HIM SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY ELSE DIDN'T WANT TO DO.
I THINK OPTION B I THINK OPTION D WAS OUR CLOSEST TO REDUCING THE COST AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, BUT ALSO FIGHTING WHAT WAS ASKED OF US TO PROVIDE, WHICH IS THE TWO SIDEWALK, UM, THAT DIDN'T NECESSARILY COME EXACTLY FROM THE POA, BUT IT CAME FROM MR. MCCRACKEN AND ORIGINALLY HEARD WHAT I WAS TOLD THEN, CORRECT? THE ORIGINAL DONATION INCLUDED HIS OWN CONCEPT PLAN.
I THINK IN ONE OF THE EMAILS, I MEAN, I MAY BE WRONG.
ONE OF THE EMAILS THAT HE HAD SENT TO ME SOME MONTHS AGO, I THINK HE HAD JOSH TILLER DO A DESIGN.
AND THIS MAY, I MEAN, THIS COMES FROM JK TILLER.
SO THEY'VE, THEY'VE WORKED WITH US ON THIS, BUT WHATEVER WAS PART OF THAT AGREEMENT WAS WHAT WAS AGREED TO THE DONATION AGREEMENT.
SO THAT FIRST THING WHERE WE ARE THE RIGHT THIS MOMENT IS GO BACK, GIVE THEM AN OPTION.
THEY CAN CHOOSE YOU TO GET THE SIDEWALKS WHERE YOU BACK TO THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, CHOICE IS YOURS OR US MAKING A DECISION TO NOT ONLY ASKED FOR THAT CLARIFICATION FOR JUST TO GET TO THE POINT OF, UM, I THINK WE COULD MAKE THAT DECISION HERE.
I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES WHEN, WHEN ISSUES LIKE THAT COME UP AND, UH, BRIAN HAS DONE HIS DUE DILIGENCE, IT GETS VOLLEY BACK FOR MORE OPTIONS AND THEN THINGS GET DELAYED.
SO I THINK WHATEVER THE MAJORITY AGREES ON SOUNDS LIKE IT'S BEING, WE DO THAT.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THEM, A WORKSHOP ITEM.
DO YOU FEEL YOU HAVE CONSENSUS? I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE, IT'S NOT A FORMAL ITEM, SO WE CAN'T VOTE ON IT, BUT WE CAN EACH KIND OF SAY OUR THOUGHTS, I GUESS.
AND THEN YOU GET A FEEL RIGHT NOW.
THE THING I'M HEARING IS OPTION B.
I LIKE B YEAH, LET'S DO B AND SEE IF WE GET AWAY WITH IT.
IF THEY, IF THEY COME BACK WITH A LEGITIMATE COMPLAINT, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO ADD WHATEVER IT IS LATER.
I GUESS, A LOT OF DIFFERENCE IN THE MONEY, 75,000, WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT WITH THIS? THE PLANNERS REALLY DIDN'T DO, DO YOU THINK THE PLANNERS LOOK BETTER? CAUSE YOU SAW THEM TOO, BY THE WAY.
THEY'RE EYE-POPPING SO WHOEVER PUT ALL HIS BEAUTIFUL FLOWERS IN EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, I MEAN, WOW, I CAN JUST DARE COAT HIM.
I'M NOT SURE GREEN THUMB AND DO THAT FULL TIME.
HE TELLS SOMEBODY ELSE
ARE YOU STORMWATER EXTENT OF SERVICE AND LEVEL OF SERVICE?
[3.2. Stormwater Extent of Service and Level of Service]
OKAY.SO THE NEXT ITEM IS A STORMWATER EXTENT OF SERVICE AND LEVEL OF SERVICE.
UH, IF YOU CAN REMEMBER BACK TO OCTOBER, WE AT ONE OF OUR QUARTERLY WORKSHOPS, WE GAVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF OUR, KIND OF OUR DRAINAGE PROGRAM.
WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE LEVEL OF SERVICE BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, BEAVER COUNTY AND THE TOWN.
WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF OUR SMALL DRAINAGE PROJECTS, CIP PROJECTS.
UM, WE KIND OF GAVE YOU AN UPDATE ON SOME DRAINAGE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED SUCH AS JASON CIRCLE.
UM, I THINK THIS PREDATED SOME OF THE CONCERNS FROM LAST WEEK WITH THE FARM.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT OUR NEW STORMWATER PROJECT MANAGER, DAN RYBACK.
UM, UH, I KNOW HE'S WORKED PROBABLY MORE WITH COUNCILMAN HAMILTON THAN ANY OF YOU ALL, BUT HE'S, HE'S BEEN A GREAT HELP SO FAR A GREAT ADDITION.
UM, AND DURING THAT WORKSHOP, WE TALKED ABOUT OUR NEXT STEPS AND THE ITEM THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED THERE IS OUR DRAINAGE POLICY DEVELOPMENT.
WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A FORMAL EXTENT OF SERVICE LEVEL OF SERVICE DOCUMENT.
UM, AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THE EXTENT OF SERVICE IS THOSE ITEMS. WHAT ARE WE RESPONSIBLE FOR? HOW FAR REACHING DO WE WANT TO GO? AND THEN LEVEL OF SERVICE, HOW OFTEN DO WE WANT TO PERFORM THE MAINTENANCE
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OR PERFORM INSPECTIONS ON THOSE ITEMS? AND OBVIOUSLY THE MORE WE TAKE ON THE HARDER IT IS TO MAINTAIN THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE.SO THIS IS A LITTLE EXHIBIT THAT WE CAME UP WITH.
I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO FOLLOW, BUT BASICALLY RIGHT NOW WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING THAT'S WITHIN THIS TOWN OF BLUFFTON PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY.
SO IMAGINE A STORM INLET, UM, A CULVERT ROADSIDE DITCHES.
THAT WOULD BE WHAT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR IF IT'S IN OUR RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THINK OF PRITCHARD STREET RIGHT OUT HERE.
IF THERE IS AN INLET OR A ROADSIDE DITCH, WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, AS THE STORMWATER FLOWS OUT OF THE INLET AND IT GOES ACROSS PRIVATE PROPERTY, WE WOULD ONLY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT'S WITHIN THAT PUBLIC DRAINAGE EASEMENT, IF IT WAS CONVEYED TO US.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF EASEMENTS THAT ARE CONVEYED TO US.
UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT SPECIFICALLY WITH THE PROJECT ON BUCK ISLAND ROAD, AS IT DRAINS THROUGH MR. BROWN'S PROPERTY.
AND I HAVE AN EXHIBIT HERE, I'LL SHOW YOU, UM, WE DON'T HAVE AN EASEMENT OVER THAT, BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING.
IF WE ACQUIRED THAT EASEMENT, WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT CHANNEL UNTIL THE ULTIMATE OUTFALL OR UNTIL THE EASEMENT ENDED.
SO AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO END UP HERE.
THEN THIS WOULD BE PRIVATE, PRIVATE DETENTION POND, PONDING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, UM, THAT IS UP TO THE PROPERTY OWNER.
SO THIS IS WHERE WE, AGAIN, GET BACK TO THE FARM.
SINCE IT'S A RECENT THING, UM, THE PONDING AND THE FLOODING THAT'S IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT, THAT WOULD BE THEIR RESPONSIBILITY, NOT THE TOWNS.
NO QUESTION ON THAT BACKSIDE, I'M ALL OVER THIS PLACE TOO.
I SAW IT GOING ON ON BUCK ISLAND.
YOU HAVE RIGHT HERE, PRIVATE TRAVELING CULVERT WITHIN THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON RIGHT AWAY IN THE TOWN RIGHT AWAY.
IF IT'S PUT IN ANYWHERE, DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE NO NOTIFICATION AND APPROVAL OF WHAT THE CULVERT LOOKS LIKE? AND YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? DON'T YA YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT YES, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S COME UP QUITE A BIT.
UM, SO THERE ARE MANY DRIVEWAYS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN WITHOUT EITHER AN SE DUTY ENCROACHMENT PERMIT OR A TOWN ENCROACHMENT PERMIT.
UM, HAVEN'T REFUSED SERVICE ON THOSE, BUT TECHNICALLY WE COULD SAY WE SHOULD ONLY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT WE'VE APPROVED.
SO LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A ROADSIDE DITCH AND IT REQUIRES A 15 INCH PIPE AND SOMEBODY ONLY PUTS AN EIGHT INCH PIPE.
THEN THAT'S GOING TO CONSTRICT FLOW IS GOING TO CAUSE PROBLEM.
WELL, IF THEY DIDN'T GET AN ENCROACHMENT PERMIT, TECHNICALLY IT'S, WE COULD RIP IT OUT.
SO WHAT'S THE, WHAT, WHAT DO WE DO? CAN WE MAKE THEM WITH THE RIGHT ONE OR CAN'T CONDEMN IT, I GUESS, BUT CAN WE CLOSE OFF THE ROAD? AND IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT MANY ACTUAL ROADS AND THEN THUS DRIVEWAY CULVERTS, UM, WE'D PROBABLY GET TALKED TO THE OWNER AND, AND FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON AND PUT IN SOMETHING THAT WOULD WORK.
BUT, UM, LIKE PITCHER STREET, FOR EXAMPLE, MANY OF THESE HAVE BEEN PUT IN WITHOUT SED DUTY IN PERMITS.
AND THEN WE TOOK THE STREET OVER AND NOW WE'RE FACING THAT PROBLEM WHERE YOU HAVE A DRIVEWAY THAT'S KIND OF IMPEDING FLOW OF THE, OF THE FLOW LINE ALONG THE EDGE OF THE ROAD.
SO, UM, OR WHAT WOULD OUR RECOURSE BE ON A ROAD BECAUSE ANY ROADS WE OWN, THEY'RE GOING TO BE OWNED BY SOMEONE ELSE AND PAST.
SO WHAT DO WE DO WITH, AND I'M NOT PICKING ON RICHARD, BUT MOST LIKELY WE WOULD GO AND TALK TO THE PROPERTY OWNER AND COME UP WITH A PROPER SOLUTION.
LIKE, THEY'RE REALLY, IT SHOULDN'T BE UNDER, I THINK THE DUTY REQUIRES 15 INCH OVER 12 AND MINIMUM A 12 INCH.
BUT I KNOW WHEN WE YOU'RE A MATTHEW, WE WANT YOU AND ME AND GRACE IN CIRCLE AND CIRCLE.
AND THAT WAS YOUR, YOU NOTICED IT RIGHT OFF THE BAT AND MAYBE THEY WERE RIGHT AT THE TIME, BUT THEY HAD, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE METAL AND GRASS HAD GROWN IN THEM.
AND I THINK ABOUT THAT A LOT, ESPECIALLY WHEN I'M ON BUCK ISLAND AND BUCK COLLIN'S ROOM, TALKING ABOUT RUNNING A SATURDAY MORNING, RIGHT.
IT WAS PUT IN AND IT WASN'T A CONCRETE PIPE.
AND THEN I GO DOWN TO WHERE THE FLOODING IS THAT NEIGHBOR WHO'S RESONANT.
DEITY WILL ALLOW A METAL CORRUGATED METAL PIPE.
I'M PRETTY SURE IT WAS A DRIVEWAY COVERT.
UH, BUT AGAIN, IF THEY GOT THEIR ENCROACHMENT PERMIT, THEN THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOOD.
THEN IT'S BEEN SIZED CORRECTLY AND THEY'VE APPROVED IT AND IT SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM AND THE DOD SHOULD MAINTAIN THAT.
BUT OTHERWISE THEY PROBABLY WON'T MAINTAIN IT BECAUSE IT'S AN ILLEGAL ENCROACHMENT.
SO THIS KIND OF GOES BACK TO THAT MATH, UM, WHAT WE ARE, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO BRING TO YOU FOR OUR MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES ARE, UM, ANY PIPE SYSTEMS THAT ARE WITHIN THE TOWN RIGHT AWAY, OR A TOWN, UH, EASTLAND, UM, ANY PRIVATE DITCH OR CHANNEL, AS LONG AS IT HAS A PERMANENT EASEMENT DEDICATED TO
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THE TOWN THAT ACCEPTS RUNOFF FROM A PUBLIC STREET FROM EITHER A COUNTY ROAD OR A DOD ROAD.AND I'LL SHOW YOU SOME EXAMPLES HERE IN A SECOND TRACE AND CIRCLES GOING TO BE LIKE MY EXAMPLE FOR THAT.
AND THEN ANY PRIVATE DITCH OR SYSTEM THAT HAS A PERMANENT EASEMENT THAT MAY HELP BENEFIT THE TOWN FROM EITHER A FLOOD REDUCTION OR WATER QUALITY IMPROVEMENT.
UM, AND I'M THINKING THIS WILL BE MORE FROM LIKE CIP PROJECTS THAT COME FROM THE MAY RIVER WATERSHED ACTION PLAN UPDATE.
UM, ANYTHING THAT WE DO AS PART OF THAT, AS LONG AS WE GET AN EASEMENT FOR IT, WE WOULD MAINTAIN THAT PERPETUITY.
UH, JUST SHOW YOU A COUPLE EXAMPLES, GRAYSON CIRCLE, IT'S A DOD OWN ROAD.
SO THE WATER DRAINS THROUGH THIS DITCH RIGHT HERE, RIGHT HERE.
THESE ARE, THOSE HAVE EASEMENTS ON IT.
THE COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE AN EASEMENT S O DOD DOESN'T HAVE AN EASEMENT, BUT IT IS TAKING RUNOFF FROM A PUBLIC ROAD.
SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING IF YOU TOLD US YES, GO OUT AND GET EASEMENTS FOR THAT, WE WOULD THEN MAINTAIN THAT IN PERPETUITY.
THE ULTIMATE ALPHA OF THIS CHANNEL IS BACK HERE.
COUNTY HAS AN EASEMENT OVER IT.
SO WE'RE REALLY JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS LITTLE STRIP THAT TAKES RONALD FROM PUBLIC ROAD.
UM, THIS EXHIBIT OVER HERE AGAIN IS BUCK ISLAND ROAD.
YOU CAN SEE THIS IS WHERE IT CROSSES, BUT THIS IS WHERE THAT RED LINE IS WHERE IT DRAINS.
SO TO MAINTAIN THAT SYSTEM AND MAINTAIN THOSE, UH, THOSE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE PUTTING ON BUCK ISLAND ROAD AND MAKE SURE IT FLOWS TO AN ADEQUATE OUTFALL, WE WOULD NEED EASEMENTS OVER THOSE 15 PROPERTIES TO EITHER CONSTRUCT A DITCH OR MAINTAIN IT.
SO THE WATER FLOWS, UM, PERMANENTLY, SO WE CAN KEEP IT CLEAN AFTER A HURRICANE IN THERE AND CLEAN IT OUT RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE NO REAL AUTHORITY TO GO IN ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AND CLEAN THAT CHANNEL OUT, TALKING ABOUT WHERE IT GOES TO BOSTON BROWNS AND BACK TO CAHILL WHEN I'M BACK THERE, LEVEL OF SERVICE, UH, AGAIN, THAT'S JUST THE, THE, THE FREQUENCY WHICH WE GO OUT AND WE, UM, KEEP OUR ASSETS MAINTAINED.
UM, USUALLY WE LOOK AT THINGS WITHIN A FIVE-YEAR SPAN.
UM, THIS CHART RIGHT HERE KIND OF SHOWS WHAT DOTB FOR COUNTY AND WE DO, UH, WE TRY TO MOW ROADSIDE DITCHES ON A BI-WEEKLY BASIS.
UM, OTHER DITCHES, MAIN DITCHES, SUCH AS TOWER DITCH.
WE DO THOSE, UH, THREE TIMES A YEAR, CLEANING OUT CULVERTS OR OTHER PIPES.
WE'LL DO IT, UM, ONCE EVERY FIVE YEARS OR AS IT'S NEEDED.
IF WE FIND THERE'S A BLOCKAGE, WE'LL OBVIOUSLY TAKE CARE OF IT.
AND THEN, UM, DITCHES LIKE RE EXCAVATING THEM, UM, REBUILDING THEM ONCE EVERY 10 YEARS.
OH, BACK TO BOSTON BROWN PROPERTY AND DRAINAGE ALSO EFFECTED BY THIS, THE VIEW IN THAT DEVELOPMENT.
DIDN'T PROBABLY WITH ALCOHOL AND USED TO DRAIN TO THIS VIEW AND BACK TO THE COVE AND BACK TO THE MAY RIVER.
I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT.
I THINK THAT'S HAIGLER DRIVE HAGLER BOULEVARD.
UM, SO FOUR YEARS AGO WHEN MATTHEW KERRY WAS HERE, HE WAS IN OUR WATERSHED MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT.
WE WENT OUT AND INSPECTED THE LENGTH OF THAT ENTIRE DITCH.
WE FOUND TWO CROSSINGS OF THAT ROAD THAT NEEDED HELP.
AND SO WE NOTIFIED THE PROPERTY OWNER AND JUST SAID, UNDER OUR STORM WATER ORDINANCE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ALLOWING AN ISSUE THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BLOCK WATER AND PREVENT FLOW.
THEY TOOK CARE OF IT AS BEST THEY COULD.
BUT IF WE HAD AN EASEMENT OVER ALL THAT, THEN WE COULD GO OUT THERE ANYTIME WE WANTED TO AND CLEAN IT UP, WE COULD KEEP IT MAINTAINED ON A LEVEL OF SERVICE BASIS THAT I JUST SHOWED YOU.
THAT'S WHAT THAT RUN INTO BUFORD COUNTY THOUGH, RIGHT? WHAT'S THE SHIFT FROM HIS TOWN IN SOMEONE'S SPOT.
I THINK HE WAS IN THE PINK LAND.
THE BOULEVARD IS COUNTY, CORRECT? HEGEL HEGEL BOULEVARD IS THE COUNTY, RIGHT? YEAH.
ANYTHING THAT'S, UH, IT DOESN'T SHOW UP ON THE TV SCREEN, BUT IT, UM, MY COMPUTER, THE TOWN LIMITS BASICALLY RUN ALONG THAT RED LINE RIGHT THERE.
WELL, AREN'T IN THAT, THE LITTLE PINK.
IT'S HARD TO SEE YOU ON THE, BUT IT'S A PALE PINK STRIPE IN THAT TOWN PROPERTY.
AND THEN THE NON STRIPED IN THAT COUNTY PROPERTY, DO YOU NOT SEE THE PINK STRIKES? LIKE I DO PALE PINK WOULD BE COUNTY AND THEN THE DARKER RED IT'S SO HARD TO SEE.
AND ESPECIALLY AT THE SCALE, THIS IS JUST MEANT FOR PINKS AND TOWN AND COUNTY.
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YES.SO THE PILL PINK BACKGROUND IS THE TOWN.
OH, HE'S IN THE COUNTY OVER HERE OR IN THE TOWN.
SO IT'S A PINK AND THEN A RUSTY PINK.
SO THERE'S, IT'S NOT A EASEMENT THAT ANYBODY CLAIMS CORRECT.
WE DON'T HAVE, THERE IS NO EASEMENT ON ANY OF THESE PROPERTIES RIGHT NOW.
SO RIGHT NOW THE TOWN COULD NOT GO OUT THERE AND MAINTAIN THAT.
UM, IF WE, IF YOU DIRECT US THAT, YES, THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANT YOU TO DO.
WE WANT YOU TO GO OUT AND GET EASEMENTS THAT DRAIN PUBLIC ROADS OR BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY.
THEN DAN RIGHT BACK WOULD GO OUT THERE, WE'LL START PURSUING EASEMENTS, BUT WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR THE, THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT, BUT THE REASON WHY WE MAY HAVE SOME OF THIS PROBLEM IS AGO.
IT WOULD JUST BE, NOT THAT NOBODY CLAIMED IT.
IT WOULD JUST BE, I HAVE A DITCH ON MY PROPERTY AND IT IS WHAT IT IS LIKE, YOU WOULDN'T THINK ABOUT IT.
IT'S JUST THAT THERE'S MY DITCH.
AND AS LONG AS YOUR PROPERTY FLOATED, YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T THINK ABOUT IT AT ALL.
AND IF YOUR NEIGHBOR FLOODED, BUT WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO FLOOD.
SO THAT'S WHY IF WE COULD GET, AND HE'S BEEN OVER ALL OF THAT, UM, IT WOULD PREVENT THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
IF YOU WANT US TO GO, WELL, I KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO GET EASEMENTS UNTIL WE HAVE A LIST OF WHAT WE HAVE TO GET MAILED, BUT ALSO SOMETHING, SOME EASEMENTS ARE BETTER THAN NONE.
I WONDER IF YOU CAN'T GET ALL THESE EASEMENTS, DOES IT HELP US OR HURT US ALL OR TO, TO MAKE IT ILL, YOU WOULD WANT TO GET THEM ALL.
AND IT'S ALSO A LOT OF MONEY INVOLVED AS FAR AS WORKING EQUIPMENT, SPECIAL EQUIPMENT TO GET BACK IN THAT SWAMP.
WE'D HAVE TO CREATE A WORK SHELF, UM, TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS IT AND GO ALONG THE DITCH AND MAINTAIN IT.
PROBABLY SOME DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT OR WHATEVER TO GET BACK IN THAT HE'S NOT THE ONLY TWO.
THESE ARE, THESE ARE TWO EXAMPLES.
THESE ARE THE ONE ON THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR QUITE A BIT AND WE'RE GETTING READY TO UPGRADE THOSE PIPES THAT GO UNDER BUCK ISLAND ROAD.
UM, I KNOW THAT OFF CHANNEL, AT LEAST TO A POINT, IT NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED.
IF WE COULD GET IT TO AN ADEQUATE CHANNEL THAT DOESN'T NEED A LOT OF WORK, MAYBE THAT'S WHERE WE STOP OUR EASEMENT, BUT THE IMMEDIATE ALPHA IT NEEDS WORK.
IF YOU DRIVE BY AND LOOK AT IT, THERE ARE A LOT OF TREES THAT ARE DOWN AND WAIT TO WHERE THAT IS WAY OFF THE MARKET AND THE SAME PROBLEM THAT THE FARMERS HAVE IN CANADA.
THE FARM, UH, I DON'T HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF IT.
THERE WAS A CROSSING IN THE FARM WHERE, UM, THERE'S PROBABLY OVER A THOUSAND ACRES THAT DRAIN THROUGH A WETLAND THAT COME DOWN, CROSSES A ROAD.
THE NEXT ROAD ACROSS IS THAT'S WHERE THE ISSUES HAPPENING.
AND THE LAST TIME I SAW IT, THE WATER WAS TOO HIGH TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.
UM, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A MEETING EITHER LATE THIS WEEK OR EARLY NEXT WEEK TO GO OUT AND LOOK AT IT.
EITHER THE CULVERT UNDER THE ROAD IS UNDERSIZED OR IT WAS BLOCKED.
UM, WHO KNOWS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET SIX INCHES OF RAIN, SOMETHING FALLS, IT BLOCKS THAT PIPE.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ISSUE.
AND THEN ALL OF THAT DRAINS INTO A BUNCH OF STORMWATER PONDS THAT THEN GO INTO HAMPTON HALL AND THEN IT ULTIMATELY GOES TO THE ALCOHOL.
SO IT'S A BIG SYSTEM THAT ARE INTERCONNECTED PUMPING.
HE SHOWS HOW SOME RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DREAM UP TO YOU.
IT DOES WATER FLOWS THROUGH TOWN OF BLUFFTON PROPERTY, THROUGH OUR WETLANDS THAT WE HAVE ADJACENT TO THE FARM.
UM, BUT THAT PART WAS FLOWING FINE.
THERE WAS NO STANDING WATER ON THE TOWNS.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE CAUSING ANY ISSUE.
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NOT US PROBABLY, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I THINK IT PREDATED WHEN WE REVIEWED, I THINK THE COUNTY, YEAH, PARALLEL RUN A PIPING.FROM WHAT I REMEMBER THAT MEETING IN 27, I WAS INTO ONE PIPE, THE EXIT PIPE WHERE IT ALL FLOWS OUT OF.
SO IT'S LIKE, SO YOU HAVE YOUR DRAINAGE SYSTEM, THAT'S ON THE ROAD AND THEN YOU HAVE THE WETLAND SYSTEM THAT'S BESIDE IT.
AND THEN IT ALL ENDS UP GOING INTO ONE PIPE IN ONE POND, ALL JOINS TOGETHER AND THAT'S, WELL, WE SHOULD HEAR YOUR WORKSHOP RESULTS.
AND WHEN YOU CAN SEE WHEN IT'S DRY AND DO THAT, CAUSE I'M TOLD BY RESIDENTS HERE, THEY HAVE THE MONEY, THEY JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT TO DO.
NOW, THIS ISN'T THE ENTIRE FARM AND I DON'T MEAN IT HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT.
WE JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT TO DO.
AND I SAID, WELL, WHO IS THAT MAN FROM SOMERVILLE? THAT DIDN'T SAY WHAT BUSINESS HE WAS WITH.
I'M NOT SURE MAYBE HE NEEDS TO COME PICK HER OUT TO TELL THEM BY AN ENGINEER NEEDS TO LOOK AT IT AND RECORD.
OKAY GUYS, YOU CAN BUY AND GUIDE THEM.
AND WE'LL FACILITATE THAT AS MUCH AS WE CAN, UM, WITHOUT OVERSTEPPING OUR BOUNDS OF TELLING THEM WHAT TO DO, YOU KNOW THAT, UM, BUT IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THIS IS KIND OF THE PATH WE'RE GOING.
WE, UH, NEXT STEP, WE WANTED TO ACTUALLY HAVE SOMETHING FOR YOU ALL TO ADOPT A FORMAL DOCUMENT THAT YOU CAN ADOPT BY RESOLUTION, UM, PROBABLY NEXT MONTH OR, UH, SEPTEMBER.
YEAH, IT'D BE SEPTEMBER, UM, AUGUST AGENDA.
BUT UNLESS YOU HAD ANY, ANYONE HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THIS, KNOWING THIS IS A YEOMAN'S TASK AND BRIAN NEEDS, OUR BRIAN NEEDS OUR HELP WITH WHO WE KNOW TO EXPLAIN.
CAUSE IT IS HARD TO UNDERSTAND WE'RE NOT BIG GOVERNMENT TAKEN LIAM, BUT WE'VE GOT TO HELP OUR RESIDENTS AS BEST WE CAN WITH DRAINAGE AND THOSE DRONES AND EVERYTHING, AND THAT HE DOES NEED OUR HELP.
SO IF WE KNOW, IF YOU CAN PULL US IN, UM, WHO WE CAN HELP YOU WITH, I THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT.
CAN THIS BE DONE, BRIAN, FOR, UM, THE AREAS THAT WE KNOW ARE PROBLEMS, YOU KNOW, EXISTING PROBLEMS WITHOUT TAKING AND SAYING, OKAY, THIS IS OUR POLICY.
AND YOU KNOW, WE START GETTING A HUNDRED PHONE CALLS FROM OTHER PEOPLE SAID, I WANT YOU TO CLEAN HIS DITCH OUT.
YOU KNOW, I CAN SEE THAT, THAT MAY, WE MAY GET A LITTLE OVERWHELMED ONCE THE POLICY IS SAYS, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO CLEAN EVERYBODY'S DITCHES.
SO TO SPEAK,
IT'S IF IT'S IN THE TOWN RIGHT AWAY, IF IT DRAINS A PUBLIC ROAD OR IF IT HELPS US ALLEVIATE SOMETHING FOR THE GREATER GOOD, OR IT'S A CAPITAL PROJECT, OTHER THAN THAT, LIKE WE'RE NOT GOING INTO PRIVATE COMMUNITIES TO, BUT LIKE I'M THE FORMER LIFE OF MINE.
TREYSON CIRCLE THOUGH THAT IT, IT DOES, IT IS A PUBLIC ROAD, BUT YEAH, IT'S A PUBLIC ROAD, SO, RIGHT.
EVERYTHING'S GOT A, SOMEWHAT OF A PUBLIC ROAD, NOT A PUBLIC ROAD.
I MEAN, OWNED BY DEITY, THE COUNTY OR THE TOWN, NOT OPEN TO THE PUMP, NOT OPEN FOR ANYBODY TO DRIVE ACROSS.
CAUSE IT'S STILL COULD BE A PRIVATELY-OWNED ROAD.
I DON'T THINK IT'S AT PINE RIDGE.
THERE'S JUST ONE, THAT'S A PUBLIC, IT'S A PUBLIC ROAD, BUT IT'S NOT OWNED BY THE COUNTY, STATE OR TOWN.
SO THAT WOULD BE THEIR RESPONSIBILITY.
BUT I DO SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IT'LL BE BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE ALREADY ASKING US TO DO, YOU KNOW, CLEAN OUT DITCHES.
DO YOU NEED TO WORK WITH, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY THEY'VE BEEN GREAT AND DEITIES HELPFUL TOO, TO HELP US, UH, DIG OUT, YOU KNOW, ROADSIDE DITCHES ON, ON THERE.
ARE YOU, ARE YOU PIN, LIKE LARRY SAID, ARE YOU THINKING OF ONE, TWO OR THREE PROJECTS TO THE BIG ONE? LIKE THESE TWO KIND OF THOSE TWO TO START SIMPLE.
I MEAN, IT'S MAJOR, MAJOR, BUT AT LEAST IT'S NOT A HUNDRED ACCOMPLISHMENT.
ANOTHER EXAMPLE COULD BE, AND THIS IS REALLY THROWING IT OUT.
BUT THE COAT THAT COVE THAT GOES UP TO BRUIN ROAD AND WE HAVE THOSE DOUBLE CULVERTS THAT COME UNDER BRUIN ROAD, THERE'S NO EASEMENT OVER THAT CHANNEL.
UM, AND I WOULD, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE COVE OFFICIALLY STOPS, BUT THERE'S NO EASEMENT.
SO IF SOMETHING REALLY BAD HAPPENED TO THAT CHANNEL, IT WOULD BE THE PROPERTY OWNER.
SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT AND BE LIKE, HEY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS THING, IT CONVEYS SO MUCH PUBLIC WATER.
WE WANT TO GET EASEMENT OVER IT.
SO WE CAN ALWAYS GO IN AND MAINTAIN IT.
IN CASE A TREE FALLS DOWN, WE CAN GET IT OUT OF THERE.
UM, I REMEMBER THERE WAS ONE IN, UH, VERDICT COVE WHEN I FIRST STARTED AND WE DIDN'T HAVE AN, WE HAD NO WAY OF GOING ABOUT DOING ANYTHING.
SO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN TRESPASSING,
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BUT, UM, THE SCHOOL ROAD TO SCHOOL LOOP, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THAT BY THE HIGH SCHOOL AND BACK AROUND, I'M A CRACK IN CIRCLE, CORRECT.AND CIRCLE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A, THAT'S A COUNTY OWNED ROAD, BUT WE WOULD TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THE WATER OFF IT TOO.
I MEAN, WE HEARD A COMPLAINT ABOUT THAT IN AWHILE.
I THINK THE COUNTY TOOK CARE OF IT.
THEY, THEY RAISED AND ELEVATED THE ROADS.
SO IT WOULD DRAIN PROPERLY AND HEARD A COMPLAINT.
I KNEW THERE WAS AN ISSUE THERE MANY TIMES BEFORE, BUT THAT'S AN EXAMPLE.
RIGHT? WE WOULD BE OPENING OURSELVES UP TO TAKE CARE OF THAT TOO.
YOUR MIND SAY THE WORD EASEMENT TO ACQUIRE AN EASEMENT.
A LOT OF TIMES FACILITATES COSTS PURCHASE THE EASEMENT.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE THINKING HERE? TRIED TO WORK WITH THE RESIDENT TO SHOW THE BENEFIT OF DONATING THAT EASEMENT FOR THE GREATER GOOD.
UM, BUT IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT BECAME A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE THAT WE HAD TO ACQUIRE TO ALLEVIATE FLOODING, I THINK WE WOULD.
AND THEN THE WORD ENCROACHMENT I'VE HAD EASEMENTS I'VE HAD ENCROACHMENT PERMITS.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? SO AN EASEMENT WOULD BE SOMETHING ACROSS PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN.
RICHMOND IS SOMEONE BUILDING SOMETHING INTO THE TOWNS RIGHT AWAY.
SO THEY'RE ENCROACHING INTO THE TOWNS RIGHT AWAY.
UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PLACING SOMETHING INTO A PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY, BASICALLY.
THAT WOULD BE THE ENCOURAGEMENT PLUS THAT WAS ANYONE HAVE COMMENTS TO BRIAN ON THIS? IS HE ON TRACK SHITTY OR ANYONE AGAINST IT? OKAY.
[3.3. Public Meeting Protocol]
MEETING PROTOCOL, MR. STACE, HOW ARE YOU? GOOD AFTERNOON.I PUT A COPY OF A MEMORANDUM IN FRONT OF EACH YEAR SPACES JUST TO KIND OF GO THROUGH TALKING ABOUT REOPENING THE COUNCIL MEETINGS TO PUBLIC AND SOME POTENTIAL PHASES AND TIMEFRAMES.
SO I WANTED TO GET COUNSEL'S INPUT ON THAT AS WE LOOK TO MAKE A DECISION FOR THE AUGUST 10TH COUNCIL MEETING.
SO JUST TO GO THROUGH A LITTLE BIT, IF YOU LOOK, UM, PHASE ONE WOULD BE LIMITED REALLY TO THOSE THAT ARE ADDRESSING AND PRESENTING TO COUNCIL.
SO, UM, THOSE WOULD BE LIMITED TO PEOPLE WHO WOULD COME IN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THOSE LIKE LAST MONTH HAD ROB MADE HIS PRESENTATION ON THE MIC, UH, THE BIKE PAD MASTER PLAN, UM, ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS OR ANY LIKE THAT, THEY WERE HERE TO MAKE PRESENTATION PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN AS WELL AS THE TWO REPRESENTATIVES FROM DOMINION AND, UM, UH, PALMETTO ELECTRIC THAT WAS HERE TO ADDRESS THEIR, UM, FRANCHISE AGREEMENTS.
THE GOAL WOULD BE IS ONCE THEY COMPLETE THAT TASK, THEY WOULD BE ASKED TO LEAVE.
SO IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO WHOEVER STAFF AND AS THEY FILTER OUT, UM, WOULD LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS THAT WOULD BE IN HERE.
UM, PHASE TWO WOULD BE OPENING MORE UP TO THE PUBLIC, WHICH WOULD BE LIMITING TO 50% CAPACITY.
UM, IT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE ANY ITEMS THAT ARE UNDERNEATH PHASE ONE.
UM, IT COULD ALSO BE REQUIRED TO MAKE A DETERMINATION WHETHER WE WANT TO ACQUIRE FACE COVERINGS OR NOT FOR EACH OF THAT PHASE, UH, FOR THAT PHASE, FOR THOSE THAT ATTEND, UM, FOR PHASE THREE, THAT WOULD BE FULL CAPACITY AND THEN PHASE FOUR WOULD BE PRETTY MUCH PRE PANDEMIC.
UM, THERE'S NOT A TIMEFRAME ASSOCIATED WITH ANY OF THESE.
IF THIS COULD BE A YEAR PROCESS, IT COULD BE A SIX MONTH PROCESS.
A LOT OF IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT CONTINUES TO HAPPEN WITH THE UNKNOWN VARIABLES OF COVID.
UM, I WILL SHARE, UH, WE DID, UH, CAM REACHED OUT TO THE OTHER DEPART OTHER TOWNS WITHIN THE COUNTY TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
UM, CITY OF HARTSVILLE IS NO LIMITS ON ATTENDANCE, UH, PORT ROLES, NO ALUM, NO LIMITS ON ATTENDANCE.
TOWN OF HILTON HEAD IS A LITTLE OVER 50% CAPACITY.
THEY HAVE A ROOM THAT HOLDS 180.
THEY ALLOW 80 FOR THE PUBLIC AND HOLD 20 FOR COUNCIL STAFF AND THEIR DEPUTY.
AND THEN CITY OF BUFORD IS WHERE WE'RE AT, WHERE WE WOULD BE AT WITH PHASE ONE, THEY'RE ALLOWING THE PUBLIC END FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, THEY ALSO PROVIDE A ZOOM OPTION OF THE PUBLIC DOES NOT WANT TO BE PRESENT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO GO TO AN AUGUST WOULD BE PHASE ONE, WHICH WOULD BE SOMEONE OF WHAT BUFORD HAS AND STILL BELOW WHAT THE OTHER THREE MUNICIPALITIES WITHIN THE COUNTY ARE LOOKING AT.
UM, BASED ON SOME OF THE CONVERSATION I SAW GO BACK AND FORTH WITH COUNCIL, I FELT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT KIND OF COMPROMISE BETWEEN WHERE COUNCIL'S DISCUSSION WAS GOING.
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PRESENT TO YOU.AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, COMMENTS.
I LIKE THE CONSIDERATION THAT WENT INTO, UM, UM, BEGINNING THE OPENING BACK IN PHASES, UM, SEEING THAT WE HAVE THE MASK ORDINANCE HAS GONE AWAY WITH, AND AS WE WELCOME THE PUBLIC BACK IN, UM, SINCE THAT'S STILL A CHOICE, UM, CAN WE PROPOSE ALSO HAVING THOSE WHO COME IN WHO DON'T WANT TO WEAR THE MASK, FOR INSTANCE, UM, BEING ABLE TO DO THE TEMPERATURE CHECKS THAT WE WERE DOING BEFORE? UM, ONLY CONCERN IS BECAUSE THERE ARE AREAS WHERE, UM, THERE IS AN INCREASED GOING BACK WITH, UM, SPIKES OF THOSE WHO ARE CONTRACTING IT.
AND JUST AS A SAFETY THING FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED KONA'S STAFF AND THEIR FAMILIES.
UM, I DEFINITELY SEE PEOPLE NOT WANTING TO DO THE MASK ANYMORE, BUT MAY BE INCLINED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST THAT, THAT TIPPER A LITTLE, AND THAT WOULD BE AN UNREASONABLE THING.
AND I ACTUALLY, UM, WHEN I TALKED TO LEE, WHERE DID HE GO THERE? THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS HE RAISED IF WE WANTED TO ASK, ASK THAT.
AND, UM, THAT'S WHY WE WERE WANTING TO WAIT UNTIL WE HEARD WHAT THE COMMENTS WERE TONIGHT, AND THEN WE WOULD MAKE ANY TWEAKS OR FINALIZE ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD NEED TO, TO PREPARE FOR ANY CHANGES THAT CAME.
UM, IS ANYONE TIME WHAT, THE ALOUD THAT, YOU KNOW, IN YOUR STAGES TO THE INCIDENT RATIO? UM, NOT THAT I'VE SEEN, NO, SIR, BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WENT FROM A HIGH TO A MEDIUM AND WE CROSSED OVER TO THE LOW HERE WHAT A MONTH OR TWO AGO.
AND THEN NOW WE JUST AS NOTED TODAY IN THE PAPER, WE JUST SLIPPED BACK INTO THE MODERATE LEVEL ON THE LOWER LEVEL, BUT STILL WE JUST SLIPPED FROM OVER 50 TO 51 TO 54.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD THINK THAT AN INDICATION OF THE PUBLIC, HOW MANY ARE BEING INFECTED AT A GIVEN TIME.
SO I WOULD THINK THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW, HOW THAT DOESN'T PLAY INTO ANY DECISION-MAKING.
FOR EXAMPLE, YOU WOULDN'T DO ANY OF THIS IF YOU HAVE A HIGH RATIO.
AND, AND, AND AS OUTLINED IN HERE, OR, UH, AND I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE SAID IT OR NOT, BUT THE GOAL WOULD BE DEPENDING ON HOW THINGS TREND, WE CAN GO UP OR DOWN WITHIN THE TIERS.
SO IF WE DECIDE TO GO TO PHASE ONE, AND THEN WE HIT START GOING BACK UP WITHIN THE MID RANGE AND WE START GETTING HIGHER, WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK.
WE HAVE EVERYTHING, WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE CLOSED MEETINGS.
IF WE START WORKING OUR WAY DOWN AND WE GET TO PHASE TWO, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THINGS TREND UP, WE CAN DROP BACK TO PHASE ONE.
SO THERE'S NOTHING TO SAY THAT WE'RE GONNA ONLY GO FORWARD.
WE CAN MOVE WITHIN THE PLAN, WHICHEVER WAY WE NEED TO.
AND I THINK LOOKING AT THE CASE NUMBERS AND COUNCIL'S WILLINGNESS AND STUFF LIKE THAT WOULD BE THE SOME FACTORS TO TAKE INTO THAT.
UM, AS IN TYING IT IN AND SAYING, WE'RE ONLY GOING TO DO, YOU KNOW, PHASE ONE, IF WE'RE MEDIUM OR BELOW, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CONSIDER.
UM, YOU KNOW, BUT IF WE'RE ONLY GOING TO DO PHASE ONE, WHEN WE HIT LOW, WE'LL NEVER MAKE IT TO ANY OTHER PHASE.
SO THERE'S SOME THINGS YOU KNOW, THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO TIE WITHIN THAT BECAUSE IS IT GOING TO BE MODERATE? WE'RE GOOD WITH PHASE ONE AND TWO OR MODERATE.
OR IF IT'S LOW, WE'RE GOOD WITH FOUR AND THREE, BUT IF IT'S MID MODERATE, WE'RE GOOD WITH TWO.
AND IF IT'S HIGH, WE'RE ONLY GOOD WITH ONE.
SO, I MEAN, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, TO ME, I THINK THAT'S JUST AN, A JUDGMENT THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LEE HERE TO HELP, YOU KNOW, HE'S BEEN HANDLING A LOT OF THE COVID AND HE PROVIDED HIM PROVIDE GUIDANCE ON THAT.
AND HE TRACKS THE CASE NUMBERS AND VACCINATION RATES AND ALL THAT.
WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S MY WHOLE POINT.
THE QUESTION IS YOU GET TO CERTAIN LEVELS, IT SHOULDN'T BE A TRIP WIRE.
YOU KNOW, NOW WE HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED FOR US AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT LEE, WHAT DOES IT GO TO IN A MODERATE 51 TO WHAT I THINK HE WAS ASKING THAT THE HIGH RANGE STARTS AT 200, 200 AND ABOVE.
SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE, UM, MOVING FROM LEVEL TO LEVEL WOULD BE DECIDED
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BY Y'ALL OR US.SO THAT DECISION, I MEAN, WOULD REST WITH IT WITHIN US.
AND THAT'S WHY AS A WORKSHOP ITEM, WE'RE ASKING FOR COUNSEL'S INPUT AS WE MAKE THAT DECISION, AS WE PREPARE FOR AUGUST, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL CAN SUPPORT.
I MEAN, THE, THE OTHER, NOT, NOT NECESSARILY ORIGINAL STAGE ONE, BUT WHEN MOVING FROM OTHERS, UM, IN THE STAGE TWO OR THREE OR WHATEVER, WOULD THAT BE? I MEAN, I WOULD SAY THAT'S A DECISION THAT LIES WITHIN MY PURVIEW, BUT I THINK IF WE WERE LOOKING TO CHANGE THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO, EVERYBODY COULD PUT THEIR INPUT, BUT THEIR INPUT AND MAKE SURE WE FEEL COMFORTABLE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I MADE THE COMMENT AFTER THE LAST MEETING AND TALKING TO ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, I HATE TO SACRIFICE TWO OR THREE OF Y'ALL IN PERSON VERSUS 14 IN PERSON.
SO THERE'S A BALANCING ACT SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE GONNA GO TO A PHASE ONE, THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT MAJORITY OF COUNCIL WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH.
WELL, SO WE MEET, WE MEET MONTHLY AND SOMETIMES TWO TIMES A MONTH, AND I DON'T KNOW YOUR PLANS, BUT I WOULD THINK PHASE ONE WOULD CONTINUE FOR A WHILE.
AND THEN IF IT'S A WHILE MONTH, THREE OR FOUR INTO IT, I WOULD HOPE, AND I WOULD LOVE TO GET MORE UPDATES ON THIS COVID BECAUSE THE PAPER AND THE TV'S CALLED, I REALLY HAVEN'T, I DON'T GET THOSE MONTHLY, OUR WEEKLY OR DAILY UPDATES TO EVEN KNOW HOW TO EDGE, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE ALL GOT IN A WALL, UM, WHEN THINGS DROPPED SO FAST, SO WELL, OR SO QUICKLY TO SUCH LOW NUMBERS, UM, THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING THE MONTHLY UPDATES TO COUNCIL AS PART OF THE PACKET.
BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, LEE AND I CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT MAYBE DOING A WEEK SUMMARY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, JUST TO SEE WHERE THINGS HAVE BEEN FOR THE WEEK.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK FOR B, FOR COUNTY, FOR A WHILE THERE, WE WERE LOOKING AT LIKE HALF A DOZEN FOUR CASES A DAY.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S THAT LOW THERE, AND I WENT ON THE
IT SEEMS A LITTLE MORE THAN US.
EVEN NURSING HOMES ARE ONLY TWO ON HILTON HEAD THAT HAD, I THINK THEY HAD TWO CASES OR THREE CASES.
I GOT USED TO THOSE NUMBERS MORE OFTEN THAN MONTHLY, BUT, UM, ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT MY THOUGHT WOULD BE.
AND WHEN I HAVE THOUGHTS, CONCERNS, COMMENTS, I ADVICE WATCHING WHERE IF THINGS ARE GOING TO CHANGE, THAT IS WHEN PEOPLE GET THAT, UH, GOING TO THE ATTENTION TO THE SCIENCE AND DOCTORS.
THEN WE ALSO, THOSE OF US WHO'VE VACCINATED.
I A HUNDRED PERCENT PROOF THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET SICK.
IF WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS TRUE, THAT MAYBE WE WON'T GET AS SICK OR DIE, WE STILL CAN SPREAD IT TO SOMEONE ELSE WHO COULD BE BORN.
I THINK WE PULLED SOME NUMBERS TOGETHER.
UM, THIS WEEK, UM, JUST IN PREPARATION DISCUSSION THIS, SOME OF THE UPDATE ON THE VACCINE RIGHTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
WE'LL GET HIM TO SEND THAT OUT MAYBE TOMORROW, DIGITALLY TO COUNCIL AND KIND OF GIVE YOU A SNAPSHOT OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
UM, ON A LOT OF THAT STUFF SINCE HIS LAST REPORT, HELLO, I'VE BEEN WATCHING A LITTLE BIT ON TV AND THE PEOPLE SAY, WHEN IT CUT, THE REQUEST COMES FROM GOVERNMENT.
IT'S LESS LIKELY TO MAKE AN IMPACT AS OPPOSED TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
SO I SAY THAT WHEN I'M ABOUT TO ASK YOU, THIS IS THERE, SINCE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE INFO ON THE TABLES AND THE SCANNERS, CAN WE HAVE SOME CARDS MADE UP ABOUT HOW EASY IT IS TO GET A VACCINE APPOINTMENT? IS THERE SOMETHING WE COULD DO TO HAVE AS A HANDOUT FOR PEOPLE WHO MAY BE INTERESTED? I THINK WE CAN DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY, UM, I DON'T THINK PEOPLE REALIZE HOW EASY IT IS TO MAKE A VACCINE APPOINTMENT.
UM, MAYBE, I MEAN, IF YOU WANTED TO GET ONE TOMORROW, YOU CAN HAVE ONE TOMORROW.
YOU JUST HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT AREN'T GOING TO GET THEM ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
WE WERE HAVING A CONVERSATION AROUND THAT THE OTHER DAY.
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I TELL PEOPLE THAT WITH ANYTHING YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE EARLY ADOPTERS, THE MID ADOPTERS AND THE LATE ADOPTERS.AND WHAT YOU'RE SEEING NOW IS THE EARLY ADOPTERS.
AND IT'S THE MID AND LATE THE TAIL.
YOU KNOW, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO TRIGGER THEM, THAT WSAV HEARD.
WE SHOULD SEND THE VIDEO OUT ALL OVER.
IT WAS A BLACK COUPLE, THE WIFE WAS A NURSE AND SHE GOT HER SHOTS.
AND THE MAN WAS JUST LIKE YOU SAID, FRED, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT FOR WHATEVER REASON HE CAUGHT COVID AND HE, THEY INTERVIEWED HIM AND HE COULD HARDLY SPEAK BECAUSE OF HIS OXYGEN LEVEL.
AND THEY SAID, WOULD YOU NOW GET THE SHOT? HE SAID, I W I, I WOULD ABSOLUTELY GET THE SHOT.
SO I THINK THAT'S, WHO NEEDS TO HEAR NOT YOU OR ME, OR, YOU KNOW, IT'S REAL STORIES.
AND I WISH WE COULD PUSH THAT OUT.
CAUSE THAT WAS, THAT WAS PRETTY, I WAS VERY INFLUENCING TO ME.
I MEAN, IT WOULD HAVE MADE ME GET ONE, IF I WAS ON THE BORDER OF IT COUPLED LOCALLY THAT THAT HAPPENED TOO, EAT THEM OUT HEALTHIER, BUT YEAH, WORD OF MOUTH IS ALWAYS THE BEST ADVERTISEMENT FOR ANYTHING THAT PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS ON.
ANY OTHER THOUGHTS FOR MR. STACE ON THIS? I THINK IT'S WELL THOUGHT OUT AND, AND AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO DO, WE'RE GOING TO BE AS CAUTIOUS AS WE CAN IN AUGUST AND WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES.
AND IF COUNCIL WANTS TO PULL BACK, OR IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, PUSHES THE WRONG WAY, WE CAN ALWAYS TWEAK AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING, UM, MAKE SURE WE'RE SAFE AND WE'RE DOING WHAT I THINK PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW, COME TO ADDRESS COUNCIL WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO SO.
AND THEN EVERYBODY ELSE, WHETHER THEY'RE HERE WATCHING, OR WHETHER THEY'RE WATCHING ON TV WILL HAVE THE SAME EXPERIENCE, BUT THOSE THAT ARE ADDRESSING COUNCIL WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO.
SO I FELT THAT WAS A GOOD THING.
WE ADDED THE FORMAL ITEM BACK ON OUR WORKSHOP FROM LAST WEEK'S COUNCIL MEETING.
UM, IT IS AN ITEM WE TAKE ACTION ON AND WE ARE, OH, MR. FINGER
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CONSIDERATION OF ORDINANCES RELATED, COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS ST.GREGORY THE GREAT CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY 61 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED IN 3 23 40 ALLEN ROAD, AND IDENTIFIED WITH THE TAX MAP NUMBERS THAT ARE WRITTEN.
THIS IS FINAL READING AND IT CONSISTS OF SIX SUB ITEMS. WE DID HAVE FORMAL A PUBLIC HEARING.
THE PUBLIC HEARING OCCURRED AND WAS CLOSED.
SO NOW WE'RE JUST ON FINAL READING, MR. FINGER.
WE'RE WAITING FOR, UM, UM, FOLKS IN THE WAITING ROOM TO THE, TO BE, TO JOIN US, WALTER.
YOU'RE NOT MUTED AND YOUR OWN VIDEO.
CAN YOU HEAR ME TALK A LITTLE LOUDER? GOOD.
BEN LOUDER, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
THANK YOU FOR, UM, TAKING THIS MATTER OFF THE TABLE.
UM, WE WERE HERE LAST THIRD, LAST TUESDAY, UM, WHERE YOU TABLED IT.
UM, DURING OUR DISCUSSIONS LAST WEEK, THE TWO PRIMARY ISSUES WERE, UM, WHETHER THE REDUCTION DOWN TO 110 UNITS WOULD STAY IN PLACE.
YOU RECALL YOUR FIRST READING APPROVAL APPROVED 150 UNITS THEREAFTER.
THE CHURCH INDICATED THEY WOULD REDUCE IT DOWN TO 110.
SO THAT WAS A QUESTION WHETHER WE WERE GOING TO STAY AT ONE 50 OR GO TO ONE 10, THE SECOND AND MORE CRUCIAL DISCUSSION WE HAD LAST TUESDAY WAS WHETHER OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING ORDINANCE REQUIRING 20% ACROSS THE BOARD WOULD APPLY TO THIS PROJECT, UM, ON ANY MULTI-FAMILY.
UM, THERE IS NO SINGLE FAMILY INVOLVED IN, IN THIS APPROVAL, SO YOU CAN TAKE SINGLE FAMILY OFF THE TABLE.
UM, WE WENT BACK AND FORTH A LITTLE BIT WITH THE CHURCH AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVE LAST TUESDAY, ABOUT THIS 20%, YOU WILL RECALL THAT I THOUGHT IT WAS PROBLEMATIC, UM, FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE THE APPLICATION FROM THE CHURCH TO ANNEX AND THESE OTHER ITEMS ALL PREDATED US PASSING OUR ORDINANCE, THE CHURCH, UM, SOLVED THAT PROBLEM.
UM, MR. NESTOR, LET US KNOW EITHER THE WEDNESDAY OR THURSDAY LAST WEEK THAT THE CHURCH AGREED THAT THE 20% OF OUR ORDINANCE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING WOULD APPLY EXCEPT FOR ANY HOTEL CAUSE THAT'S COMMERCIAL, NOT RESIDENTIAL.
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IT WOULD NOT APPLY IN ANY UNITS THAT WERE USED FOR THE HOTEL AND HEATHER, UM, TWO DWELLING, YOU KNOW, UM, TWO HOTEL ROOMS IS ONE DWELLING UNIT, CORRECT? I SAID IT CORRECTLY.SO ANY HOTEL UNITS THAT ATE UP RESIDENTIAL DENSITY WOULD NOT HAVE ANY AFFORDABLE COMPONENT TO IT.
AND THEN THE CHURCH ALSO INDICATED THAT THEY HAD LONG-STANDING PLANS TO DO A RETIRED, UM, CLERGY HOUSING.
UM, SO, AND THEY ASKED THAT IT NOT THE 20% NOT APPLY TO THAT COMPONENT IF, IF THAT WAS DEVELOPED DOWN THE ROAD, THAT'S WHERE WE KIND OF, UM, WERE, UM, AT THE END OF LAST WEEK, THROUGHOUT LAST WEEK AND TILL TODAY, UM, I HAVE TRIED TO KEEP YOU AS INFORMED AS I COULD, BUT LET ME TELL YOU THAT YOU HAVE RECEIVED PROBABLY NO MORE THAN 10% OF THE EMAILS THAT HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN STAFF, THE CHURCH AND I, UM, ONE ITEM THAT DID ARISE, UM, AND THAT I'VE LET YOU ALL KNOW ABOUT THROUGH EMAILS AND IN MY DISCUSSIONS WITH SEVERAL OF YOU OVER THE LAST NUMBER OF DAYS IS THAT THE CHURCH HAS ASKED FOR A REDUCTION IN THE BUFFER AREA ON PARCEL FOUR, PARCEL FOUR IS THE ACREAGE RIGHT BEHIND THE FIRE STATION.
AND THE CHURCH HAS ASKED THAT THE BUFFER ALONG THE EAGLE'S POINT BOUNDARY BE REDUCED TO 20 FEET AND THAT THE BUFFER BEHIND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BREE REDUCED TO 10 FEET.
UM, THE EAGLE'S POINT BUFFER IS, UM, DIFFERENT THAN MOST, ANY BUFFERS THAT WE EVER LOOK AT BECAUSE YOU GO TO THE BOUNDARY AND YOU HAVE TO GO OVER 600 FEET ACROSS THE FAIRWAY AT EQUALS POINT GOLF COURSE BEFORE THERE'S ANY RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION.
THERE IS NO ABILITY TO HAVE ANY RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS IN THE COUNTY PROPERTY NOW, NOT THAT NOT TOWN PROPERTY, THAT THERE'S NO POSSIBILITY CURRENTLY OF THERE BEING ANY RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION ALONG THAT BOUNDARY, BECAUSE THERE'S GOLF COURSE THERE NOW, UM, THE FIRE STATION, UM, IT WOULD BE 10 FEET BEHIND THAT.
UM, ONE OF THE, UM, REASONS AS I WAS TOLD BY NESTER THAT THE CHURCH WANTED THE BUFFERS TO BE MODIFIED IS THAT IF THE BUFFER STAYED AS IS, WHICH WAS 50 FEET, UM, THE MAXIMUM UNITS THAT COULD BE PUT THERE WAS 48 IF THE BUFFERS AND THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH, UH, I AM TOLD WITH AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPER, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT THAT DEAL WILL HAPPEN OR THAT THERE WILL BE ULTIMATELY AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUILT THERE, BUT THEY HAVE NEGOTIATIONS GOING ON WITH AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPER.
HE SAID, IF THOSE BUFFERS WERE MODIFIED, AS I JUST MENTIONED DOWN TO 20 AND 10 FEET, THEY COULD INCREASE THEIR UNITS THERE TO 60.
UM, IT IS THOUGHT AND WALTER, MAKE SURE I HAVE THESE NUMBERS, CORRECT.
IF YOU WOULD, THEN, UM, THERE ARE, THERE ARE LONG-STANDING PLANS FOR A HOTEL THERE, WHICH WOULD TAKE UP ABOUT 60 UNITS OF THE ONE 50.
THERE IS A THOUGHT THAT THE RETIRED CLERGY COMPLEX OR FACILITY WOULD BE ABOUT 30 UNITS.
SO THAT WOULD TAKE UP 90 OF THE 110 LEAVING 60 UNITS TO PUT ON THAT THREE ACRE PARCEL.
THEY COULDN'T PUT THEM THERE UNLESS THE BUFFERS WERE WERE DONE.
UM, THERE WAS NO GUARANTEE THAT, UM, THAT AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPER WILL BUY THAT THREE ACRES OR DEVELOP 100% AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON THOSE THREE ACRES.
BUT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY AS I AM TOLD.
SO THERE MAY BE AS MANY AS 60 AFFORDABLE UNITS BACK THERE.
WE DO KNOW THAT THE CHURCH HAS AGREED.
WHATEVER'S BUILT ON THAT THREE ACRES.
WE'LL DEFINITELY HAVE 20%, UM, WHICH IS A, A MUCH DIFFERENT PLACE THAN WE FOUND HERSELF LAST WEEK AT THIS TIME.
UM, ONE ITEM OF NEGOTIATIONS THAT, UM, THAT I, I ATTEMPTED ON THE TOWN'S BEHALF AND THE CHURCH HAD DONE AGREE TO IS THAT, THAT I WANTED, UM, THE CLAW BACK, THE BUFFERS.
UM, IF YOU DON'T BILL 60 BACK THERE, WE WANT THE BUFFERS TO GO BACK TO 50 FEET.
THE CHURCH WAS UNWILLING TO AGREE WITH THAT.
UM, IN CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF AND WITH STEVEN, UM, UP STEVEN, WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHETHER REDUCING THESE BUFFERS WOULD CREATE ANY PRECEDENT WITH OTHER DEVELOPERS AND OTHER AREAS WITHIN BUCK WALTER SAYING, WAIT A MINUTE, YOU DID IT FOR THE CHURCH.
WHY WON'T YOU DO IT FOR US? AND IT WAS MY THOUGHT THAT THIS IS SUCH A UNIQUE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
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NO RESIDENTIAL ANYWHERE NEAR US, ALONG THE EAGLE'S POINT BOUNDARY AND ANY DEVELOPER THAT WAS GOING TO DO ANYTHING ON THIS THREE ACRE PARCEL WOULD HAVE TO REALLY WORK HARD TO ADEQUATELY BUFFER AND SCREEN THE BOUNDARY BEHIND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.SO I THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING TO CAUSE US SOME KIND OF PRECEDENTIAL VAL OR CORRUPT PRECEDENTIAL PROBLEM GOING FORWARD WITH OTHER DEVELOPERS.
UM, I HAVE, UM, I HAVE DRAFTED A MOTION AND I'VE HANDED IT TO EACH OF YOU, UM, THAT IS LONGER THAN MOST MOTIONS.
IT'S PROBABLY MORE IN DEPTH THAN YOU WILL SEE.
UM, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UM, THERE WAS LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO PROVIDED INPUT TO THIS MOTION, INCLUDING STAFF, STEVEN, UM, MR. NESTER, AND HIS CLIENT AND MYSELF.
UM, I DRAFTED IT AND, UM, I LEFT OUT WORDS HERE AND THERE.
UM, AND EVERYBODY, UM, PROOF-READ IT VERY WELL.
IT IS IN A PORTION IT'S IN A PLACE NOW WHERE I THINK IT DOES WHAT COUNCIL WANTED DONE LAST WEEK.
UM, AND THE ONLY ISSUE IS IT DOES NOT HAVE THE BUFFER CLAWBACK PROVISION.
IT DOES NOT HAVE A GUARANTEE BECAUSE THERE'S NO DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR ANY DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION RIGHT NOW FOR WHAT'S GOING TO BE DONE IN THE THREE ACRES.
SO THERE'S NO GUARANTEE ABOUT WHAT WILL BE BUILT BACK THERE, BUT WE KNOW THAT AT A BARE MINIMUM, IF THERE'S ANY MULTI-FAMILY BUILT BACK THERE, IT WILL HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF 20% AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT IT MAY BE MUCH HIGHER THAN THAT.
AND I KNOW THAT HOW HARD THIS COUNCIL HAS WORKED, UM, OVER THE LAST MR. HAMILTON, HOW MANY YEARS HAVE WE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING? PROBABLY 12 OR 14, MAYBE LONGER THOUSAND FIVE.
UM, IT, IT, IT PREVENTS, IT PRESENTS, I BELIEVE A VERY LEGITIMATE CHANCE, UM, FOR SOME, SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO POSSIBLY BE BUILT.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, MR. NESTER.
IF, IF, IF YOU, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COMMENT IN ANY FASHION OR ELAINE OR ANYONE ELSE ON, ON, ON YOUR BEHALF, WALTER, YOU NEED TO TALK LOUDER.
I CAN'T HEAR YOU TRY IT AGAIN.
IS THAT BETTER? STILL NOT BETTER.
GIVE US ONE SECOND WHILE, WHILE WALTER KIM CAN NOT SEE IF COUNCIL HAS QUESTIONS.
I KNOW THAT WALTER WANTS TO SAY ANYTHING, BUT COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE INITIAL QUESTIONS OR DO YOU WANT MR. NESTER TO REITERATE ANYTHING OR PRESIDENT, UM, CAME UP WITH WHAT THE DEVELOPERS AND OTHER DEVELOPERS WOULD HAVE ISSUES WITH THE BUFFALO THING? IF WE DON'T GET AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I'M SORRY, HAMILTON.
I CAN, I CAN MAKE OUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING FOR THEM TO HEAR, LIKE TALK MORE IN THE MICROPHONE AND WE HEAR YOU FINE NOW, WALTER.
CAN YOU HEAR ME WALTON? YES, SIR.
WHAT I REALLY WASN'T TALKING TO YOU, BUT I WANT YOU TO HEAR IT.
UM, I WAS TALKING TO, I WAS TALKING TO THOSE PRESENT WITH ME WHEN WE SET THE PRECEDENCE OF, OF, UH, ALLOWING YOU, UM, TO REDUCE YOUR BUFFER SIZE.
IT'S THE SAME PRESENCE WE'RE GOING TO SEND TO OTHER DEVELOPERS TO SAY, WELL, YOU DIDN'T MAKE THEM DO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPONENT.
AND, UM, SO IT'S NOT A QUESTION.
THIS IS A STATEMENT THAT I NEEDED TO MAKE.
I HAVE QUESTIONS LATER, BUT THANK YOU, PERHAPS I CAN KINDA ADDRESS THAT.
UM, IT IS THE TOWN'S PUD ORDINANCE THAT REQUIRES A 50 FOOT BUFFER, SO COURT, UM, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S UNIQUE TO BUCK WALTER.
I BELIEVE IF, IF, IF A PUD IS DEVELOPED IN THE TOWN, THE EXTERIOR BOUNDARY HAS A 50 FOOT
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BUFFER REQUIREMENT.CURRENTLY THE BUFFER REQUIREMENT WITH THE GOLF COURSE AT EAGLE'S POINT AND THE FIRE STATION IS 20 AND 10 FEET.
IT IS BECAUSE WE ARE GOING INTO BUCK WALTER THAT WE ARE NOW, THIS 50 FOOT BUFFER IS IMPOSED.
AND WE SEE IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO POTENTIALLY DEVELOP AND ATTRACT A MULTIFAMILY HOUSING DEVELOPER, WHICH WOULD GET THE TOWN THE MINIMUM OF 20%.
UM, AND AS MR. FINGER NOTED, WE HAVE OVER THESE THREE YEARS, BEEN SPEAKING WITH POTENTIAL DEVELOPERS.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY UNDER CONTRACT RIGHT NOW, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE'VE BEEN SPEAKING WITH POTENTIAL DEVELOPERS AND WHEN DEVELOPERS COME IN, THEY BRING THEIR LAND PLANNERS AND THEIR ENGINEERS, AND THEY TRY AND FIT THINGS.
AND WE, AS MR. FINGER NOTED, WE WERE SPEAKING WITH AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPER AND THEY SAID, OUR MINIMUM IS 60 UNITS, AND WE CAN FIT 60 UNITS.
AND THEN WHEN WE SAID, WELL, GEE, YOU NEED TO HAVE ADD THE 50 FOOT BUFFER BECAUSE WE'RE GOING INTO BUCK WALTER PUD.
THEY SAID, WELL, WE CAN'T FIT 60.
AND WE DON'T THINK THAT WE DON'T THINK THAT IT'S VIABLE AND THAT THAT'S WHY WE WERE AT 110 UNITS WAS WORKABLE FOR US.
BASED ON THOSE WORKSHOPS, WE WENT BACK AND SHARPEN OUR PENCILS AND SAID, WHAT'S THE W POTENTIALLY WHAT COULD WE GET IN THERE, MAYBE A HOTEL.
WHAT'S THE AVERAGE SIZE OF A MOTEL, MAYBE SOME HOUSING, BUT WE CAN ONLY FIT FIT 48.
SO THOSE, THAT'S WHY WE WERE AMENABLE TO THE REQUEST TO GO DOWN TO ONE 10, BUT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PERHAPS GET AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR A MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING DEVELOPER AND GET AT LEAST A MINIMUM OF 20 UNITS OF AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING FOR THE TOWN.
AND I DO VERY MUCH APPRECIATE MR. FINGER'S WORK AND THE WORK OF TOWN STAFF, AS WELL AS THE FLEXIBILITY OF, UM, THE DIOCESE AND THE FOLKS THAT ARE WORKING ON ITS BEHALF TO COME TO WHAT I, I BELIEVE.
AND I HOPE COUNCIL BELIEVES IS A GOOD RESOLUTION.
UM, MR. FINGER MAKE A STRONG ARGUMENT FOR ME.
HE SAID THAT, UH, IF YOU DON'T BUILD THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNIT, UM, THEN WE HAVE A CALL BACK.
UH, UM, SO THAT GIVES US SOME LEVERAGE TO SAY, YOU'RE GOING TO, UH, THE DEVELOPER, UM, WOULD CONSIDER BUILDING THESE UNITS BECAUSE IF, IF NOT, IF THEY DON'T BUILD IT, IF WE GIVE YOU THE F THE SETBACK OR THE REDUCE THE REDUCTION IN THE BUFFERS, AND YOU DON'T BUILD THE UNITS, AND WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING FOR OUR EFFORTS, YOU'RE NOT GIVING ANYTHING FOR, FOR BEING GENEROUS IN, IN THAT, IN THAT, UM, IN THAT, IN THAT EXCHANGE.
WELL, I, I DO UNDERSTAND MR. HAMILTON, BUT IT REALLY PUTS US IN A BOX AND IT'S, IT'S NOT, UH, IT'S NOT A COMFORTABLE PLACE FOR US BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW.
WE REALLY DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO GO ON ANY OF THESE OUT PARCELS.
AND IF IT IS, UM, SOME OTHER, IF IT'S, WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THAT FLEXIBILITY, UM, BECAUSE IT COULD BE A HOTEL, IT COULD BE A RETIREMENT HOME FOR CLERGY.
IT COULD BE SOMETHING ELSE THAT PROVIDES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE DIOCESE TO USE THE PROPERTY AS IT SEES FIT.
I THINK THE MOST PROBABLE USE IT WOULD BE, UH, FOR A MULTI-FAMILY BECAUSE MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPERS HAVE LOOKED AT THAT PROPERTY AND SPECIFICALLY THAT PROPERTY.
UM, BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS IN THERE, AND THAT'S WHY WE WERE, UM, SEEKING THAT KIND OF FLEXIBILITY.
AND I WOULD ADD THAT PURSUANT TO THE TOWNS, UTO, ANY PROSPECTIVE DEVELOPER WOULD NEED TO GO BACK IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THEIR, UM, SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW AND IN FRONT OF TOWN STAFF.
AND THAT PROCESS WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE TOWN TO LOOK AT THE POTENTIAL USE, TO SEEK, TO GET ADDITIONAL BUFFERS OR ADDITIONAL FENCING.
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CAN WE MOVE ON AND COME BACK JUST, OKAY.LARRY, AND YOU'RE UP, WALTER? I JUST GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
UM, JUST OFF THE CUFF, HOW MANY, UM, HOW MANY CLERGY OR RETIRED NUNS OR WHEREVER UNITS DO Y'ALL ANTICIPATE BUILDING NOW, THERE'S GOT TO BE LIKE SOME IDEA WHETHER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 10 OR 50, YOU KNOW, JUST GENERAL A DEAL.
WELL, MR.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT THE ATTRACTIVENESS OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS NO DIFFERENT THAN THE ATTRACTIVENESS OF LIVING IN THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON FOR ANYBODY ELSE.
SO WE'RE NOT, I WOULDN'T ANTICIPATE THAT IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO, UM, CLERGY FROM THE, UH, OR, UH, CLERGY OR OTHER STAFF OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC DIOCESE OF CHARLESTON.
IT MIGHT BE MUCH LARGER THAN THAT.
SO I'M, I'M SORRY, BUT I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY WAY TO ATTEMPT TO QUANTIFY THAT.
AND I, AND I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE TRIED TO EXPRESS TO YOU THE RANGE OF THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE, BUT WE, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW IF DURING THIS THREE-YEAR PROCESS, IF WE WERE GOING TO BE IN OR NOT GOING TO BE IN THE ONE CONTRACT THAT WE DID HAVE AS FALLEN OUT.
SO WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING ACTIVE.
WELL, WE HAVE IDEAS AND WE HAVE TO, WE, BECAUSE WE ARE GOING INTO BUCK WALTER, AS OPPOSED TO GENERAL MIXED, UH, GENERAL COMMERCIAL, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO, IN OUR MINDS, TRY TO ENVISION WHAT MIGHT GO THERE BECAUSE IN BUCK WALTER LAND AND DENSITY OR DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS ARE SEPARATE.
SO JUST BECAUSE YOU BUY A PIECE OF LAND DOESN'T MEAN YOU GET DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS.
SO IN THIS PROCESS WE'VE BEEN, WE HAVE TRIED TO INTERNALLY AMA STAFF CHIEF, WHAT'S POSSIBLE TO GO THERE.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE COME UP WITH THE USES THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT AND THE DENSITIES, BUT WE WANT IT TO BE ABLE TO RESERVE CERTAIN THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED BY THE DIOCESE AND, AND A, AND A RETIREMENT HOME FOR CLERGY IS ONE OF THEM, BUT I CAN'T PREDICT NOR CAN I QUANTIFY, UH, WHETHER OR NOT THAT WILL HAPPEN, OR HOW MANY, HOW MANY, UM, PEOPLE THAT WOULD, UM, INCLUDE.
WELL, JUST, I MEAN, I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORT AND I'M, I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT IT WITH AN OPEN MIND, JUST DO MY JOB.
YOU KNOW, IT'S A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PEOPLE AT BLUFFTON AND GOING BY WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE SURE I TREAT EVERYONE FAIR.
WE'RE JUST TRYING, I'M JUST TRYING TO ANSWER MY QUESTION AS IF WE USE 60 UNITS FOR 120 ROOM HOTEL, AND YOU BUILD SAY 44 FOR CLERGY, UM, USES THAT LEAVES 50.
SO WHY WOULD WE NEED 60, YOU KNOW, THE BUFFERS TO ALLOW 60TH, IF YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, THE 150 DWELLINGS WOULD BE GONE.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, AND ALSO COULD USE SOME CLARIFICATION WHEN YOU SAID THAT IT POSSIBLY THE HOTEL WOULD GO ON THAT THREE ACRES.
UM, IS THAT STILL PART OF IT? I WAS UNDER, UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THERE WOULD BE 10 POINT SOMETHING ACRES OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT I WAS THINKING WOULD PROBABLY BE, UM, THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY OR ROAD FRONT OR WHATEVER.
UM, SO I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT ALL THIS HYPOTHETICAL SITUATIONS AND JUST TRYING TO GET, YOU KNOW, MAKE SENSE OF IT.
SO WHEN I VOTE, I FEEL GOOD THAT I ANSWER ASK EVERYTHING I SHOULD HAVE.
AND JUST FOR THE, FOR CLARIFICATION, WHAT IT, THERE'S A, THERE'S A 2.94 ACRE PARCEL.
THAT'S DIRECTLY BEHIND THE FIREHOUSE AS YOU DRIVE IN SAINT GREGORY, THE GREAT DRIVE AT THE FIREHOUSE AND YOU'RE DRIVING TOWARDS THE PARISH OR THE CHURCH, THE LAND BETWEEN US TWO 70 RIGHT AWAY AND ST.
THERE ARE 2.9, TWO ACRES, 2.4 OR FIVE ACRES, AND 2.3, FOUR ACRES.
SO THOSE FOUR PARCELS, ONE BEHIND THE IMMEDIATELY BEHIND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR THE FIRE STATION, AND THEN THREE LOTS ALONG US, 2 78 TO THE SOUTH OF ST.
GREGORY, THE GREAT DRIVE AS YOU ENTER INTO THE PROPERTY THAT ST.
GREGORY THE GREAT DRIVE IS OWNED BY BUFORD COUNTY IS A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO THE STOP SIGN,
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ALL THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH, BETWEEN ST.GREGORY, THE GREAT DRIVE AND US 2 78 AWAY.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING FOR THE OUT PARCEL.
THE REMAINING 50 PLUS ACRES IS ALL INSTITUTIONAL USE IN WETLANDS.
UM, SO IT WOULD ONLY BE A USE IN THOSE THREE IN THOSE FOUR OUT PARCELS.
AND WE DON'T, WE CAN'T SAY WE'RE DOING THE SAME THING THAT YOU'RE DOING, MR. TUMOR RE WE'VE BEEN TRYING FOR THREE YEARS TO FIGURE OUT WHO, WHAT AND WHERE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH.
AND THAT'S WHY WE DO THAT PROCESS IN THE WORKSHOP, UH, TO, UM, COME UP WITH.
I WAS, I WAS NOT CLEAR ON THAT.
THE FOUR, YOU KNOW, THAT THE ONE, I THOUGHT THE ONE BEHIND THE, THE FIREHOUSE WAS NOT, BUT I SEE IT NOW.
THAT ANSWERS, THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTIONS.
SO BASICALLY WE, WE COULD GET 12 THE WAY I'M DOING THESE NUMBERS, WE COULD GET 12 AFFORDABLE HOUSES.
UM, IF YOU BUILD 60 OR WE'LL GET EIGHT, IF YOU BUILD 48 FOR MR. TUMOR, OR WE COULD GET ALL 60, IF YOU REALLY, IF YOU REALLY DO A GOOD JOB, RIGHT.
WELL, IT, OF COURSE WE DON'T KNOW.
SO, SO A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPER MAY COME IN AND SAY, I WANT OUR PARCEL THREE AND ALCOHOL WILL TOO.
AND THAT GIVES THEM A LITTLE OVER SIX ACRE OR A LITTLE UNSURE OF SIX ACRES, AND THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIT MORE.
SO, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ANTICIPATE AND PROTECT.
AND SO IF, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S AN APART, EXCUSE ME, IF A HOTEL GOES ON OUR PARCEL FLOOR AND A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT GOES ON THE OTHER THREE, THERE, THERE WOULD BE MORE, I MEAN, YOU'D GET A LARGER PERCENTAGE OF, OF AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING BECAUSE THAT THE 20% WOULD, THE 20% MINIMUM WOULD APPLY THE, THE IT'S ONLY OUT PARCEL FOUR THAT HAS THE EXTERIOR 50 FOOT BUFFER.
AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DEAL WITH THEM.
AND AGAIN, I HOPEFULLY THIS DISCUSSION AS EXEMPLIFIED, YOU KNOW, THAT IT IS A LITTLE DIFFICULT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE CANNOT, WE IT'S HARD TO PREDICT THE FUTURE, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY, NOT ONLY FOR THE DIOCESE, BUT ALSO FOR THE TOWN, BECAUSE IT'S AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT THE DIOCESE SUPPORTS MAYBE TO HELP AT THAT.
THIS, I WAS LOOKING FOR IT ON MY MEETING THING.
THE, I LIKED THE AREA CAUSE I SEE THE GOLF COURSE AND IT'S REALLY HEAVILY TREED ON THE EAGLE'S POINT SIDE.
OUR BUFFER I'M SURE WOULD BE UNDISTURBED, BUFFER.
UM, SO IT REALLY DOES MAKE A THICKER ONE.
AND I GUESS I TAKE FROM THIS WHEAT, WE WERE ABLE TO GET OUR ORDINANCE THAT WAS PASSED IN JUNE.
THAT'S A GOOD PRECEDENT TO SET THAT WE HAVE THIS ORDINANCE IN PLACE.
THIS 20% OF WHATEVER'S BUILT WILL BE AFFORDABLE.
SO IT REALLY DOES PUSH OUR, OUR INITIATIVES FORWARD AND SET SOME GOOD PRECEDENT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPED OR NOT YOUR STATEMENT.
IT'S THE 20% THAT WE'D BEEN AFTER FROM THE GET GO.
UH, WALTER JUST DID CLEAR UP SOMETHING.
I WAS GOING TO ASK, BUT THERE'S 20%, LIKE YOU SAID, WALTER, IF FOR SOME REASON, PARCEL FOUR IS NOT THE ONE WE'RE MULTIFAMILY GOES AND IT'S THREE, TWO, AND ONE, THE 20% STILL APPLIES TO ALL FOUR PIECES.
ANY, ANY, ANY MULTIFAMILY HOUSING THAT'S DEVELOPED, UM, WOULD GET THE 20 MINIMUM, 20% AFFORDABLE SLASH WORKFORCE HOUSING APPLIED TO IT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ORDINANCE, THE UDL AMENDMENT THAT WAS PASSED IN 2020.
TO MR. HAMILTON'S COMMENTS, I AND TERRY FINGERS.
I WOULDN'T WANT TO GIVE UP THE BUFFERS.
AND LAST WE HAD AFFORDABLE HOUSING THERE, UM, BECAUSE OF THE PRECEDENT SETTING THAT WE WOULDN'T BE DOING.
AND I, AND I GET YOUR POINT, IT, FROM THE BUFORD COUNTY PERSPECTIVE, YOU'RE ALREADY AT A SMALLER BUFFER AREA AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE LARGER BUFFER.
I MEAN THE SMALLER BUFFER AREA MAINTAINED IN ORDER TO GET MORE UNITS IN THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I CAN LIVE WITH A LITTLE BIT OF A TRADE-OFF BECAUSE WE HAD BEEN TRYING SO HARD FOR SO MANY YEARS.
IF IT GIVES US A HANDFUL TWO OR THREE OR FOUR MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS TO TRADE OFF THE BUFFER.
LET ME ASK BRIDGET, DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, DAN? NO.
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YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BRIDGET? UM, I'VE ALREADY SPOKEN MY THOUGHTS ON THE 80% AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE HAD FOLLOW-UP THE DRAFT MOTION THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU? UM, I BELIEVE INCLUDES, UM, ALL OF THE POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED BY COUNCIL NEGOTIATED WITH THE CHURCH AND AGREED TO BY THE CHURCH.I'M HAPPY TO GO OVER THE MOTION, UM, IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO, UM, BUT, UM, THIS IS PROBABLY DRAFT NUMBER 12.
WOULD THAT BE ABOUT RIGHT WALTER? WELL, I THINK IT'S THOROUGH AND SOMETIMES IT HAS TO BE LONG, BUT IT LEAVES NO LOOPHOLES OR, OR CONFUSION.
AND I KNOW I COMPLAINED ABOUT AGENDA LANGUAGE BEING LONG, BUT THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE NEED TO REALLY FOCUS ON ON OUR FUTURE CHANGES TO MAKE YOU WENT TO LAWYERS, GET INVOLVED IN DRAFTING A MOTION, YOU'RE GOING TO GET ALONG MOTION.
AND SO, AND THAT, THAT DOESN'T COUNT LANE.
SO IF YOU HAVE THREE LAWYERS, UM, YOU'RE GOING TO GET ALONG MOTION.
SO THAT'S, WE TRY TO COVER ALL THE BASES FOR YOU.
Y'ALL HAVE THIS IN FRONT OF YOU DO Y'ALL WANT TO TAKE A MINUTE CAUSE YOU GOT IT RIGHT AT COUNCIL.
DO YOU WANT TO READ IT? DO YOU WANT TERRY TO READ IT WHILE YOU LISTEN AND FOLLOW WHAT WHAT'S THE BEST WAY? I WON'T, FRED'S JUST FINISHING UP THE SCROLL IT'LL IF YOU GET IT ON ONE SCREEN YOUR, UH, WELL, WHILE WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT ON THE SCREEN, WALTER, I WOULD ASK YOU TO GET WITH THE DIOCESE TO SEE IF THIS GOES FORWARD TO WORK WITH OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMITTEE.
UM, I THINK WE HAVE TOOLS IN OUR TOOLBOX THAT COULD ENCOURAGE SOMEBODY TO DO MORE, UM, THAN WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO DO.
AND ALSO IF IT'S SOMEBODY WHO'S INTERESTED IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I THINK, UM, MAYOR PRO TEM AND DAN ARE ON THE COMMITTEE, THEY'RE EAGER TO FIND DEVELOPERS WHO TRULY BELIEVE IN OUR MISSION, WHICH IS CREATING WHAT THE REST OF THE COUNTRY DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ABLE TO CREATE.
SO PLEASE TAKE THAT BACK AND SEE IF WE CAN'T PARTNER.
IN OTHER WAYS, MAYBE THERE'S SOMEONE THAT CAN LOOK ON OTHER PROPERTIES AND WE CAN CONNECT THEM.
SO, SO MAYBE WE CAN MAKE THEIR LIFE VERY HAPPY IN THE LOW COUNTRY, IF YOU WOULD DO SO.
UH, AND ABSOLUTELY, AND THAT, THAT WAS THE START OF THIS PROCESS WAS THAT THE CATHOLIC DIOCESE OF CHARLESTON AND THE ST.
GREGORY THE GREAT PARIS CHURCH WANTED TO BE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IN THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON.
AND WE HOPE THAT WE CAN DO THAT.
AND IN LARGE PART IS BECAUSE SO MANY OF THE CHARITIES.
AND SO MANY OF THE MISSIONS OF THE CHURCH ARE BLUFFED AND FOCUSED AND BLUFFED AND CENTRIC.
AND WE BELIEVE THAT HOUSING IS ONE OF THEM.
THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THERE IS A MOTION.
DOES ANYONE WANT TO READ IT? DO YOU WANT ME TO READ IT? I'LL READ FAST.
ZERO, GIVE ME DON'T ADJOURN ME.
UM, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE ON FINAL READING THE ORDINANCE APPROVING THE ANNEXATION PETITION ON ST.
GREGORY CATHOLIC CHURCH PROPERTY, AS IT MEETS ALL THE LEGAL AND PROCEDURAL REQUIREMENTS, AND THE ANNEXATION WILL BE OF BENEFIT TO THE TOWN AND APPLICANT.
I FURTHER FURTHER MOVE THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH AND PREDICATED ON THE ANNEXATION BEING APPROVED, THAT WE APPROVE FORMAL AGENDA ITEMS, 4.1 A THROUGH F AND ITEM 4.2 WITH THE CONDITIONS SET OUT IN THIS MOTION ON THE APPROVAL OF THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN.
THIS APPROVAL IS BY A SINGLE VOTE AND DOES NOT INVOLVE A SECOND READING.
THIS MOTION SPECIFICALLY CONFIRMS THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING HAD ALREADY OCCURRED ON JULY, 2021.
AND THAT CONDITIONS SET OUT BELOW ARE MINOR CHANGES AFTER FIRST READING AND DO NOT NECESSITATE THE AGENDA ITEMS. GOING BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION ARE REQUIRED.
THE CONDITIONS ARE NUMBER ONE.
THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS WILL REMAIN AT ONE 50 AS APPROVED AT FIRST STREETING WITH THE PRIOR CONDITION THAT THE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING RIGHTS DO NOT INCLUDE SINGLE FAMILY.
NUMBER TWO, SECTION FOUR TO 13, G A THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE APPLIES AND MINIMUM AND APPLIES A MINIMUM OF 20% OF THE MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS CONSTRUCTED OR TO BE AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING, ANY AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING WILL FOLLOW THE GENERAL STANDARDS.
THAT'S OUTLINED IN ARTICLE 6.5 WORKFORCE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OF THE UDL.
THE MINIMUM 20% AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE DWELLING, RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS DOES NOT APPLY TO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS USED FOR LODGING HOTEL.
NUMBER FOUR, THE MINIMUM 20% AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS DOES NOT APPLY TO A GROUP HOME ASSISTED LIVING WITH,
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OR WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF NEED OR FOUR RETIRED CLERGY.THE OUT PARCEL FOR BEHIND THE FIRE STATION WILL HAVE A 20 FOOT UNDISTURBED BUFFER ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE WITH EAGLES POINT GOLF COURSE, REAR BUFFER, AND A 10 FOOT BUFFER ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE WITH THE FIRE STATION SIDE BUFFER.
THESE MODIFIED BUFFERS ARE GRANTED AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT IN ORDER TO AMONG OTHER THINGS ENHANCE THE POSSIBILITY FOR DEVELOPMENT OF MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING IN THERE BY PROVIDE AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING AS CONTEMPLATING IN SECTION 4.2, FOUR 13 POINT G OF THE UDL.
THESE MODIFIED BUFFERS ARE GRANTED DUE TO THE FACTUALLY UNIQUE LOCATION OF OUT PARCEL FOR THE BOUNDARY WITH EAGLES POINT GOLF COURSE, REAR BUFFER HAS NO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND JASON TO IT WITH THE NEAREST HOME BEING OVER 600 FEET AWAY IN THE BUFFER ALONG THE FIRE STATION, PROPERTY WILL NEED TO BE ADEQUATELY BUFFERED BY THE ULTIMATE DEVELOPER IN ORDER TO SCREEN THE MULTIFAMILY UNITS FOR THE FIRE STATION.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? PRETTY MUCH PROTECTS THIS TOWN.
I KNOW WHY YOU READ AS I READ IT.
IT MADE SOME SENSE ON PRECEDENT AND OTHERWISE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY BY SAYING, AYE.
PLEASE FOLLOW UP WITH US ON THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND LET'S SEE HOW WE CAN REALLY MAKE A SUPER HOME RUN WITH THIS.
I'VE READ ALL MY MOTIONS FOR THE YEAR.
IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.