9. MATTERS ARISING OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION

[11. RECOMMENDATION OF AWARD FOR RFP #030121 DAUFUSKIE ISLAND FERRY TRANSPORTATION SERVICES FOR BEAUFORT COUNTY ($259,000 ANNUALLY) TO HAIG POINT FERRY COMPANY, INC.]

WANT A HANDOUT. >> THANK YOU. OK.

ITEM NUMBER ELEVEN I WOULD ASK FOR A MOTION BY COUNTY COUNCIL TO DO THE FOLLOWING RECOMMEND

THE AWARD FOR RFP NO. >> 0 3 0 1 2 1 2 FUNKY ISLAND FERRY TRANSPORTATION SERVICES FOR BEAUFORT COUNTY TO HAGAN POINT FERRY COMPANY INC. WITH THE FOLLOWING ADDITIONS.

NUMBER ONE THE FERRY OPERATOR AND BEAUFORT COUNTY WILL WORK TO MODIFY THE OPERATIONS PLAN TO MINIMIZE THE NUMBER OF TOURIST PASSENGER VEHICLES TRAVELING TO THE EMBARKATION AREA. NUMBER TWO THE FERRY OPERATOR BEAUFORT COUNTY AND THE SC DEONTE WILL WORK TO INSTALL BETTER SIGNAGE TO CLEARLY DIRECT ALL TOURISTS TO THE REMOTE PARKING LOT AND TO PROTECT A BUCKINGHAM LANDING RESIDENT FROM NEIGHBORHOODS THROUGH THE TRAFFIC THROUGHOUT THE TRAFFIC. NUMBER THREE THE FERRY OPERATOR BEAUFORT COUNTY AND PALMETTO BREEZE WILL WORK TO MODIFY THE OPERATIONS PLAN TO CREATE A SAFE AND CLEARLY DELINEATED SHUTTLE BUS PASSENGER DROP OFF AREA THAT WILL DIRECT FERRY RIDERS TO THE CHECK IN LOCATION. NUMBER FOUR BEAUFORT COUNTY WILL WORK WITH RESIDENTS BUCKINGHAM LANDING TO DESIGN AND INSTALL A LANDSCAPE OFFER IF POSSIBLE. THE DESIGN BUFFER WILL BE DEVELOPED WITH INPUT FROM THE BUCKINGHAM LANDING RESIDENTS. AND FINALLY NUMBER FIVE BEAUFORT COUNTY SHOULD PROCEED IMMEDIATELY WITH ESTABLISHING THE PROPERTY AT BUCKINGHAM LANDING AS A PUBLIC SERVICE USE THROUGH THE RECENTLY ADOPTED ADOPTED PUBLIC SERVICE USE PROVISION OF THE CDC.

BUT SHOULD INSTRUCT STAFF TO PURSUE A MORE PERMANENT SOLUTION TO THE FERRY OPERATION FOR RELOCATION AWAY FROM BUCKINGHAM LANDING. MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR THAT AGENDA ITEM AS STATED MR RUDD MAKES OUR MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN LIKE THE SECOND MR LAWSON MAKES

THE SECOND. >> NOW FOR THOSE OF YOU IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO MAKE POP COMMENTS PLEASE UNDERSTAND WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS WHAT I JUST READ AFTER WE DISCUSSED THAT HAVE A COMPLETE UNDERSTANDING DISCUSSING WITH OUR ADMINISTRATION.

WE WILL THEN ALLOW MEMBERS OF BOTH BUCKINGHAM LANDING AND FUNKY ISLAND TO GIVE US SOME INPUT REGARDING THAT. OK. ALL RIGHT.

DULY MOTIONED AND SECOND WHO WE'D LIKE TO BEGIN THE DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS OR THE QUESTIONS OF THE ADMINISTRATION. I HAVE A QUESTION.

THIS CONTRACT IS FOR WHAT PERIOD OF TIME THAT'S FOR US TO DETERMINE AS PART OF OUR

DISCUSSION. >> HOW LONG DO WE WANT IT AS A ONE YEAR CONTRACT WITH A RENEWAL PERIOD THEREAFTER? DO WE WANT IT AS A FIXED YEAR CONTRACT FOR US? IS IN YOUR HONOR. OH, ABSOLUTELY. I THINK IT IS THAT WE SHOULD ONLY HAVE A ONE YEAR CONTRACT BECAUSE I THINK YOU EXTEND THAT CONTRACT FOR LONGER.

I THINK THAT THE RESIDENTS OF BUCKINGHAM LANDING WILL MISINTERPRET THAT AS COMMITMENT. YOU HAVE THE FERRY THERE FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME.

I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT A THREE YEAR CONTRACT WOULD BE OKAY SO LONG AS IT'S ONE YEAR AND RENEWABLE AT THE END OF THOSE YEARS BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER MOVING TOGETHER PARALLEL. ONE IS WE HAVE TO MAKE AN EFFORT TO PREVENT INTRUSIONS INTO THE BUCKINGHAM LANDING COMMUNITY.

AND I THINK NUMBER TWO WHILE WE'RE DOING THAT WE HAVE TO DEVELOP A PLAN WITHIN THE EXECUTIVE STAFF TO TAKE DEFINITE ACTION TO LOCATE ANOTHER PLACE THAT WE CAN PUT THE FERRY LANDING. AND I THINK IF WE HAVE A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT THAT PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE THAT WE INTEND TO STAY THERE FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME AND THAT IS NOT OUR INTENTION.

AS I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECT OTHER COMMENTS. >> CHRIS, THANK YOU.

CHAIRMAN. IF I HAD TO SUMMARIZE WE'RE GONNA MINIMIZE TOWARDS

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VEHICLES. WE'RE GONNA WRECK SIGNAGE. WE HAVE A CLEARLY DELINEATED DROP OFF AREA LANDSCAPE OFFER AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HIS OWN PROPERTY.

SO THE FOUR FIRST FOUR THINGS REALLY ALL THE RESIDENTS ARE GETTING IS SIGNS BECAUSE THE OTHER THINGS THE FERRY OPERATORS ESPECIALLY DOING ANYWAY ARE NOW MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD. NOW THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER PERIOD WHERE THAT'S GOING TO GO AND HOW EFFECTIVE THAT'S GOING TO BE. AND THEN REZONING THE PROPERTY BASICALLY WE JUST GOT SUED ON FRIDAY PARTLY BECAUSE OF THE ZONING AND THEN WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE'RE GONNA GET A RESULT INSTEAD. IT'S ILLEGAL USE OF FIREARMS AND IT SEEMS LIKE A SLAP FACE BUT WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE DOING FOR THESE PEOPLE TO ALLEVIATE THE CONCERNS? A LOT OF THESE THINGS HAVE ALREADY BEEN WE'VE BEEN PROMISED. SO WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE ACTUAL COUNCIL'S LOGAN? NEIL VERSUS I THINK THANKS. I THINK LARRY SAYS IT EXACTLY CORRECT THAT WE SHOULD MAKE THIS A MINIMAL TERM BECAUSE WE KNOW WE'RE INTRUDING. I FEEL WE ALL RECOGNISE THAT WE'RE INTRUDING IN THAT NEIGHBOR AND IT'S QUITE A BURDEN THAT IF IT WEREN'T SUBJECT AN EMERGENCY WE REALLY WOULD NEVER CHOOSE TO OPERATE BARRY OUT OF BUCKINGHAM LANDING. THE PROBLEM OF COURSE IS THAT ULTIMATELY WE REALLY WANT TO BE ON THE ISLAND OR AT LEAST I DO. I FEEL A MAJORITY COUNTY COUNCIL PROBABLY AGREES WITH THAT BUT BECAUSE OF THE WORK ON THE BRIDGES WE DON'T EXACTLY KNOW HOW THAT WILL FIT AND IT SEEMS LIKE A HUGE WASTE OF MONEY TO INVEST IN AN EMBARKATION CENTER ON THE ISLAND THAT WE HAVE TO ABANDON JUST A YEAR DOWN THE ROAD OR TO THE WE NEED TO SEE WHAT THE FINAL PLAN IS FROM D O T AND I BELIEVE THAT WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR WE SHOULD HAVE THAT IN OUR HANDS AND FROM THERE WE CAN GO ABOUT THE PROCESS OF MAKING AND EMBARKATION POINT THAT WILL BE CONDUCIVE TO EVERYBODY NOT ONLY THE RESIDENTS OF THE INFIRM BUT THE FERRY LANDING BUT ALSO THE RESIDENTS THAT DIVIDES THE ISLAND. I UNDERSTAND THE BURDEN THAT WE'RE HAVE THAT WE'VE PLACED ON THOSE PEOPLE. I THINK THAT THE ACCOMMODATION FOR LANDSCAPING BUFFERS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO DO AS MUCH AS IS WE HOPE.

BUT I THINK THAT EVEN WHEN WE NO LONGER USE IT AS A AS A BARRIER FERRY OPERATION POINT WHEN IT REVERTS TO THE BOAT LEAVING, THAT WILL STILL BE HELPFUL TO THEM AND I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA. SO LARRY, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT THREE YEARS IS MAXIMUM ONE YEAR WITH TWO MORE RENEWALS AFTER THAT. WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE A

DECISION BEFORE THEN. THANK YOU, LOGAN. >> SO A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS. ANY TIME I COME ACROSS A PROBLEM I ALWAYS HAVE TO ADMIT THE PROBLEM MAYBE THAT WANTS TO HIDE THE PROBLEM OR DEFLECT THAT'S WHERE WE JUST KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING FOR A WHILE WHERE YEARS PAST MATTHEW FOR WHATEVER REASON AS CONTINUE TO GET KICKED DOWN THE ROAD AND WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN. I JUST GOT IN IN JANUARY AND I STARTED LEARNING ABOUT THE FERRY MYSELF TO BE HONEST I WASN'T AWARE OF A LOT OF SITUATIONS UNTIL I STARTED GETTING DEEP INTO IT. MY PROPOSITION IS THE SAME AS A COUPLE OTHERS IS PINKNEY ISLAND BUT I WANT TO DO MORE THAN JUST A FERRY DROP OFF. WE NEED TO INVEST AS A COUNTY AND A PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE SAFE LIGHTING THERE'S RESTROOMS LOCKERS THAT THAT COULD BE FOR PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THE ISLAND. AND I ALSO WANT TO THINK ABOUT THE HISTORICAL ASPECT OF IT IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THE MONEY THIS IS A COUNTY FOR FERRY AND YOU KNOW THAT'S A PLUS AND MINUS FOR ALL OF US. I WANT TO AN INTEGRATED WITH OUR SCHOOLS AND OUR TOURIST THAT'S A PRIME OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO PICK A HISTORICAL ASPECT TO INFORM PEOPLE ABOUT PAYING THE ISLAND HILTON HEAD, THE GOLDEN CULTURE, THE FUNKY ISLAND AND IT COULD BE ALL RIGHT THERE AND WE CAN JUST USE THAT AS A HUB.

SO IT'S A MULTI USE FACILITY ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE SELECT TIMES THAT THESE FERRIES ARE GOING TO RUN. I'M ALL FOR GOING BIG ON A PROJECT AS LONG AS IT'S USEFUL FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. WE'VE GOT TO MAKE A DECISION BEFORE THE YEAR'S OUT THOUGH WE HAVE TO. I WON'T AGREE TO ANYTHING MORE THAN A ONE YEAR CONTRACT.

I DON'T EVEN THINK YOU GUYS SHOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT. BUT UNFORTUNATELY BECAUSE OF THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD WE'RE OUT OF BINDS AND TO JUST LIKE YOU GUYS I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION. I WOULD BE JUST AS UPSET WITH YOU GUYS THAT THIS IS HAPPENING IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. SO I WILL TELL YOU ANYTHING OVER ONE YEAR I WILL VOTE NO AGAINST. AND IF YOU GIVE US THAT ONE YEAR, I PROMISE YOU I WILL PUSH FOR IT 110 PERCENT TO EITHER GET ON THE ISLAND OR SOME OTHER IDEA OUT THERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AT LEAST GIVE YOU GUYS AN END DATE OR A PROJECT SO WE CAN SAY THIS IS OUR GOAL BECAUSE IT'S ENOUGH OF OH WE COULD DO THIS OR WE COULD DO THAT BUT WE HAVEN'T GIVEN A DEFINITE ANSWER AND THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE TO DO THAT.

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YOU GUYS DESERVE THAT. WITHOUT A DOUBT ALL OF YOUR TAX PAYING CITIZENS AND THAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS I STAND WITH MR MCCALLUM ON THAT. THANK YOU MR ROBIN.

YEAH. SARAH, IF YOU COULD PUT UP THE SLIDE THAT I WANT TO SPEAK FROM PLEASE. WHAT I WANT TO SPEAK TO IS THE SHORT TERM I THINK IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE TABLE THAT PERHAPS REFINES THE SHORT TERM A LITTLE BIT. SO I WILL TRY TO BE BRIEF IF WE CAN PULL THIS UP YOU CAN'T SEE IT. MAYBE YOU COULD MAKE IT SLIGHTLY LARGER BUT LOOKING AT THE AT THE LEFT HAND SIDE I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT THE LONG TERM IDEALLY FITS SOMETHING IN THE JENKINS PINKNEY ISLANDS. YOU'VE YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT THE FACT THE 278 CORNER IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING DEFINED AND I THINK IT WILL BECOME CLEAR WHEN THAT HAPPENS WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO. SO IF I LOOK AT THE SHORT TERM I WOULD SAY THAT WE ARE TO EXECUTE A ONE YEAR CONTRACT BUT THE CONTRACT GOT TO HAVE EXTENSIONS AND EXTENSIONS WOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.

SO I THINK THAT'S NOT INCONSISTENT WITH THE WITH THE ONE YEAR.

SECONDLY HAGUE POINTED PROPOSED SEVENTY FIVE THOUSAND OF IMPROVEMENTS IN THE FACILITY FOR GOING YEAR TO YEAR. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S A GOOD EXPENDITURE.

I THINK WE ALSO SHOULD GET ON WITH REPURPOSING THE FACILITY WHICH IS SITTING VACANT NOW AND IN DOING THAT I THINK WE COULD MAKE IT MORE CONFORMING AND END UP WITH LESS PARKING SPOTS.

NOW I'VE ALSO HEARD FROM THE DEFENSE KEY FOLKS THAT THEY ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE MORE TOURISTS COME. AND SO ESSENTIALLY IN MY MIND WHAT THAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADD ONE OR TWO FERRY TRIPS.

SO BEAR WITH ME. I REALIZE THAT'S INCREASED PEOPLE.

HOWEVER, I THINK THE KEY TO THE WHOLE THING IS BALANCING IS IS THE REMOTE PARKING SPOT AND HOW WE HOW WE DO THAT. CLEARLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE MOTION IS THAT THE VISITORS WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE REMOTE SPOT WHICH DOESN'T WORK NOW.

SO WE NEED TO MAKE IT BETTER ANYWAY. I THINK THE ENHANCEMENT THAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT THE RESIDENTS FROM THE WOULD ALSO USE THAT SAME REMOTE PARKING SPOT RATHER THAN USING THE ONE AT THE FACILITY WHERE CLEARLY WE'VE EXCEEDED THAT CAPACITY BECAUSE YOU LOOK AT THE WAY THE CARS ARE PARKED AFTER THE LAST OF FERRY BOAT.

I THINK A GOOD PLACE TO PUT IT WOULD BE AT THE PALMETTO BREEZE DEPOT.

IT'S WELL OVER FOUR MILES AWAY. PERHAPS THERE'S A BETTER PLACE TO DO IT BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE SECURE LIGHTED, FENCED AS OPPOSED TO JUST CARS SITTING OUT IN PUBLIC.

BASICALLY ALL OF THEIR BUS FLEET IS SITTING EMPTY. THE BIG BUSES DURING THE ENTIRE TIME THAT THE DEVICES FERRY RUNS SO THEY ARE AVAILABLE AND BASICALLY THEY'RE ABOUT THE SAME CAPACITY AS THE BOAT. SO IN A SENSE YOU BASICALLY WOULD HAVE ONE BUS FOR EVERY ONE BOAT TRIP FOR TODAY PERHAPS FIVE OR SIX AND THOSE BUSES JUST SITTING EMPTY.

AND I THINK WE COULD ACTUALLY IMPROVE THE SERVICE BY HAVING SOME KIND OF A VALET TYPE OF SERVICE TO HELP PEOPLE WITH THE GROCERIES IN THEIR LUGGAGE. NOW IF WE DO THAT THE WAY I VIEW THE BENEFITS I PUT IN AT BUCKINGHAM LANDING HAT ON, I THINK IT STARTS TO TAKE CARE OF MANY OF THE ISSUES THAT THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT. I THINK IT ENDS UP SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCING THE CONGESTION BECAUSE EVEN IF YOU HAD SIX PLUS AS YOU'D BE COMPARED WITH SIX BUSES VERSUS FOUR BUSES AND A HUNDRED CARS WHICH ACTUALLY IS LOOKS LIKE MORE THAN FOUR BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL DRIVING AROUND IN CIRCLES TRYING TO FIND PARKING SPOTS AND I THINK IT PRESERVES THE BOAT LANDING. THERE WAS SOME SUGGESTION WE MIGHT GET RID OF THAT. IT'S IN THE PRESERVATION DISTRICT.

I DON'T THINK WE CAN GET RID OF THAT. THERE WAS ALSO SOME SUGGESTION THAT MAYBE WE WOULD CHANGE THE ACCESS TO THE TO THE COMMUNITY. SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT NOW. IF I LOOK AT IT FROM THE FUNKY STANDPOINT, I THINK IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BUSINESSES TO ACTUALLY ENCOURAGE SOME TOURISM FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHICH IS OF ECONOMIC ADVANTAGE TO THEM. SECONDLY, I THINK IT WOULD IMPROVE THE SERVICE TICKET WITH THE VALET AND IF WE WERE TO ADD ONE OR TWO THEN YOU'VE GOT A SHORTER WAIT TIME FOR THE FOR THE NEXT FERRY AND I THINK IT ACTUALLY IT WOULD ACTUALLY SAVE TIME IF YOU THINK ABOUT MAYBE GOING TO CATCH THE BUS 15 MINUTES BEFORE THE FERRY AS OPPOSED TO MAYBE GOING 45 MINUTES EARLY TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT IF YOU CAN SCRAMBLE AND GET

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UP A SPOT FROM THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GETTING OFF THE PREVIOUS FERRY.

SO I THINK IT WORKS FOR THE DEFENSE TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM THE COUNTY STANDPOINT.

I THINK IT SHOULD REDUCE THE COST OF THE CONTRACT. I THINK IT AVOIDS THE 2 MILLION EXPENDITURE LEAST REDUCES WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT. I THINK IT PUTS US IN A POSITION TO REPURPOSE THAT FACILITY. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WORKS FOR THE COUNTY, WORKS FOR THE THE RESIDENTS OF THE ONE THAT HAS POPPED UP SO FAR WOULD BE POTENTIALLY FOR USC BE IN SOME KIND OF MARINE ACTIVITY WHICH WOULD NOT BE COMMERCIAL AND I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE VIOLATE WITH THE INTENT OF THE OF THE ZONING.

I THINK IT CREATES REVENUE FOR PALMETTO BREEZE IN TERMS OF GETTING GRANTS.

AND LASTLY, I THINK WE GO A LONG WAY TO REMOVING THE LAWSUIT.

IF I THINK ABOUT I CAN'T REALLY SEE ANY DISADVANTAGES TO THIS. SO SUM AND SUBSTANCE IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED OTHER THAN MAYBE WE SOLVE THE PROBLEM BY HAVING EVERYBODY PARK AT THE REMOTE SPOT AS OPPOSED TO HAVING A SMALL GROUP OVERWHELMING THE NUMBER SPOTS THAT ARE THERE ARE THERE NOW. SO THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS.

MR CHAIRMAN THANK YOU SIR. OTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE GAS AND I I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL NOW TWO AND A HALF YEARS AND THE FIRST KEY IS WHEN I REPRESENT THE FISCALLY SOUND

HERE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY TAKEN CARE OF THAT. >> WHATEVER HAPPENS WITH THE FERRY CONTRACT THAT IS IT'S SAFE, IT'S SECURE, IT MEETS THEIR NEEDS.

HOWEVER, I JUST DON'T REPRESENT DISTRICT 9. I REPRESENT THE WHOLE COUNTY AND THAT IN THAT INCLUDES BUCKINGHAM LANDING. SO JUST SOME BACKGROUND ON THIS AND HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE. OBVIOUSLY EVERYONE KNOWS THAT HURRICANE MATTHEW CAME THE FERRY WAS WORKING OUT OF POVERTY BAY MARINA PALMETTO BAY MARINA WAS DEVASTATED BY HURRICANE MATTHEW. SO THEN THERE WAS THE NEED FOR A A TEMPORARY AND I WANT TO ADMIT UNTIL RECENTLY I DID REALIZE THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY TEMPORARY BECAUSE I WENT BACK AND DID THE RESEARCH ISLAND PACKET AND WHAT WAS SAID WAS IT WAS IT WAS TEMPORARY.

SO I KNOW THAT WE'RE WE'RE SITTING HERE ASKING BUCKINGHAM LANDING TO TO INDOOR WAR TIME.

HOWEVER, WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO MINIMIZE WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW AS THE THINGS THAT JOE HAD BROUGHT UP THE LIST OF THINGS WE'RE WORKING ON WHAT STU IS BROUGHT UP AGAIN, THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS FIND A PERMANENT LOCATION THAT WE CAN MOVE THIS FERRY TO AND THAT GETS IT OUT AND LANDING NEIGHBORHOODS IT THEN GIVES THE FUNKY PEOPLE A A TRUE PLACE THAT THEY NEVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT LOSING THAT LOCATION AGAIN AND C THEM AND AN MENTIONED UP EXCUSE ME MENTIONED HERE IS THE FACT THAT WE DO THAT WE THINK THAT THAT'S A BENEFIT EVERYBODY YOU'RE LOOKING THAN IT AT CREATING A GREAT PLACE THAT PEOPLE GOING TO WANT TO GO VISIT SUCH AS NANTUCKET OR MARTHA'S VINEYARD

OR A PLACE LIKE THAT YOU TAKE THE FERRY TO TO GET TO IT. >> SO AGAIN, I'M GOING TO SIT HERE AND ASK THE BUCKINGHAM LANDING PEOPLE TO BE PATIENT WITH US TO TO WORK WITH US.

AND I CAN PROMISE YOU THAT WHAT WE NEED FROM YOU IS TO PUSH US TO FIND A LOCATION AND FIND THE MONEY TO DO IT. AND AGAIN TRUSTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.

SO AGAIN, I'M GLAD WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER OPTIONS AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BEST WE CAN DO

TO TRY TO MAKE THIS WORK. >> OTHER COMMENTS NO OTHER COMMENTS, OK?

>> SUMMARIZATION AS YOU CAN SEE WE ARE TRYING TO WORK WITH BOTH SIDES.

WE'VE GOT TO GET VERY SERVICE FOR THE DEFUNCT ISLAND PEOPLE. WE'VE GOT TO MITIGATE ANY

PROBLEMS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AT BUCKINGHAM LANDING. >> WE THINK WE HAVE SOME SOLID IDEAS NOW TO HAVE THE FERRY OPERATOR DO SOME OTHER THINGS TO HAVE REMOTE PARKING WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION WHETHER WE WANT EVERYBODY REMOTE TO MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC . IT SEEMS LOGICAL IF WE PUT EVERYBODY IN ONE SINGLE LOCATION WE HAVE A BETTER CONTROL OVER IT. WE HAVE THE WAY OF GETTING THEM FROM THAT LOCATION TO THE FERRY SERVICE IN THE SHORT TERM AS COUNCILMAN LAWSON SAID, YOU KNOW, NO ONE KNEW IT WAS REALLY GOING TO TAKE THIS LONG. WE THOUGHT PALMETTO BAY MARINA WAS GOING TO BE REBUILT. WELL, IT WAS IT TOOK ALMOST A YEAR TO REBUILD IT AND THEN ONCE IT WAS REBUILT IT WAS SOLD AND THE NEW OWNERS SAID, OH, I HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS.

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AND THAT PUSHED THE PROBLEM DOWN THE ROAD. SO HERE WE ARE AT THE 11TH HOUR. FIFTY NINTH MINUTE OF TRYING TO SOLVE PROBLEMS. THAT'S OUR JOB. WE NEED TO TAKE THAT ON AS BEST WE POSSIBLY CAN.

THE FLY IN THE OINTMENT IS WE DO NOT HAVE A DEFINITIVE DECISION ON WHERE THE BRIDGES ARE GOING TO GO ONCE WE KNOW THAT THEN THE WORLD OPENS TO US AND WE CAN FINALIZE EVERYTHING SO IF YOU WISH TO MAKE A COMMENT NOW ABOUT WHAT WE DISCUSSED BEFORE WE TAKE ACTION AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER YOU'RE THE DE FUNKY SIDE OR THE BUCKINGHAM LANDING SIDE PLEASE COME FORWARD. I WOULD ASK THAT YOU DO THE FOLLOWING.

BE RESPECTFUL. WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW AN HOUR.

OK, WE'VE GOT OTHER ITEMS TO DISCUSS. I WILL ALLOW 15 MINUTES FOR US

TO GET INPUT FROM YOU BASED ON WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT. >> IT'S NOT I DON'T WANT IT HERE. OK. WE KNOW THAT IT'S.

DO YOU REGARD WHAT WE HAVE SET APART A GOOD IDEA OR DO YOU HAVE SOME OTHER IDEA THAT CAN HELP US IN THE DECISION? SIR, YOU WERE FIRST THERE COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME CLEARLY SPEAK TO THE MICROPHONE CLEARLY AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES LIKE YOU SHARING.

>> MY NAME'S RONNIE BROOM AND I LOOKED AT 20, 30, 40 ON ROLLING STATION LAST HERE THE PROPERTY LINE WITH THE FERRY SERVICE THIS THE HISTORY WHICH YOU'VE ALREADY TOUCHING ON A LOT OF THINGS YOU'VE SPOKEN ABOUT AFTER HURRICANE MATTHEW. YOU'RE A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR BY SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS AND I SEE TRIAL WAS GOING TO BE A TEMPORARY SERVICE FOR THE FERRY. IT ALSO ANNOUNCED IN THE LOCAL NEWSPAPER THE SAME DAY.

KEEP IN MIND THAT WE WERE NEVER GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOICE CONCERNS LIKE WE ARE TODAY WHEN THIS OPERATION WAS FORCED ON OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WITH THAT SAID, THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS HERE FROM BOTH BUGGING HIM WHEN YOU RAISE YOUR HAND BEST FORWARD AND FEBRUARY 19, 20, 20 I WAS INVITED TO A MEETING WITH OUR RESPECTIVE COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES AND THREE MEMBERS OF THE FIRST OUT AND COUNCIL LEAVING THAT MEETING.

>> THE PLAN WAS TO MOVE THE OPERATION TO PAINT ME OUT. I WAS IMPRESSED WITH ALL THE PLANS RESEARCH INCLUDING FUNDING THAT WAS PUT INTO THIS PLAN BY ALL PARTIES IN THE ROOM WITH A PLAN MOVE OF FEBRUARY 20 21. ANOTHER PART OF THIS THAT I'D LIKE TO TOUCH ON IS I BELIEVE THE BID PROCESS THAT WAS USED TO EVALUATE POTENTIAL VARIOUS SERVICE PROVIDERS WAS FLAWED. FOR COUNTIES PROVIDING SUBSIDIES TO THE FIRST FERRY SERVICE THERE IS NOT PROVIDING THE OTHER BIDDERS AND NOT INCLUDING THOSE SUBSIDIES WHEN EVALUATING THE BIDS. THE COUNTY IS SUBSIDIZED THING A TOURIST OPERATION WHEN THERE ARE MANY OPTIONS TO BE FOR COUNTY THAT CAN PROVIDE TOURIST TRANSPORTATION TO FISCAL LET FREE ENTERPRISE WORK WITHOUT GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE. I BELIEVE THE COUNTY SHOULD ENTER INTO A MONTH TO MONTH AGREEMENT WITH THE FERRY SERVICE UNTIL WE CAN REBID AND MOVE THE LOCATION. THAT WILL NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT OUR RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU. >> YOU YOU KNOW I'M GONNA HAVE 10 MINUTES AND THEN WE'RE GONNA

MOVE 15 MINUTES OR WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON. >> YES, MA'AM.

STATE YOUR NAME THREE MEN AND HOLD HER. I REPRESENT THE FIRST CHAIR COUNCIL OF THAT FUSCA ISLAND RESIDENTS RECOGNIZE THAT THE HAGUE POINT FERRY SERVICE IS OUTSTANDING. THEY HAVE A FLEET OF SHIPS THAT ALLOW THE MOVEMENT OF CARGO AND PASSENGERS. THE RESIDENTS OF PHOSPHATE WOULD LIKE TO REMAIN PARKING AT

BUCKINGHAM LANDING TO UNLOAD OUR GROCERIES AND SUPPLIES. >> TYPICALLY THERE'S NOT MANY PEOPLE PER DAY THAT OF RESIDENTS THAT WILL COME OVER.

SO THERE REALLY IS MINIMAL AND NO PER DAY. I DON'T THINK IT WOULD A HUGE IMPOSE AN IMPOSITION ON THE RESIDENTS. THE RESIDENTS OF THE FIRST CAPE WOULD LIKE MORE THAN A ONE YEAR CONTRACT. BUT I THINK AFTER WHAT WAS STATED TONIGHT I THINK A ONE YEAR CONTRACT MOVES FORWARD WITH THE OPTION TO RENEW SEVERAL MORE. I THINK THAT'S THAT WOULD SHOW GOOD FAITH ON EVERYONE'S PART.

WHILE THE COUNTY IS LOOKING FOR A LONG TERM SOLUTION FOR THE FERRY EMBARKATION, THAT'S THE

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CRITICAL ISSUE. WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AND I THINK MR. CUTTING THE EXAMPLE OF TAKING THE ISLAND MAX MAXIMIZING THE USE THAT WE COULD HAVE THERE AS FAR AS A VISITOR CENTER AND TOURIST SPOT. THAT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA AND I THINK THAT'S THE VISION OF WHAT THE FUSCA ISLAND WOULD LIKE. AS FAR AS PARKING REMOTELY AND MORE TOURISM, I REALLY THINK RIGHT NOW TO FUSCA ISLAND WITH WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE IS REALLY ABOUT AT THE MAXIMUM LEVEL OF TOURISM THAT WE CAN TAKE.

WE HAVE MANY GOLF CART COMPANIES. WE'VE ONLY GOT SEVERAL RESTAURANTS. WE HAVE A THRIVING TOURIST BUSINESS.

BUT TO THINK THAT WE COULD. TO THINK THAT THAT'S UNLIMITED NUMBER THAT OUR ISLAND CAN CAN SUPPORT IS IS I THINK NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AGAIN. THANK YOU.

WE SHARE THE CONCERNS OF BUCKINGHAM LANDING. WE HOPE THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND GET A PERMANENT LOCATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. >> FORWARD QUICK GERMAN JOHN THOMPSON.

I LIVE ON THE ISLAND ONE MARGIN LANE. I WOULD THANK YOU FOR THE SERVICES WE'VE BEEN PROVIDED ON A TEMPORARY BASIS. WOULD ALSO THANK BUCKINGHAM LANDING DURING OUR PRESENCE. BUT THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM IS REALLY THE BRIDGE.

HOW ANYBODY CAN MAKE A DECISION BASED ON NOT KNOWING WHERE THE QUARTER IS GOING TO BE.

WHAT INGRESS AND EGRESS WILL BE IS VERY DIFFICULT. I UNDERSTAND THAT RIGHT NOW WITH BUCKINGHAM LANDING IS OUR EGRESS POINT. IF THERE IS A DISASTER, IF THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH WEATHER, OUR ADDRESS IS GONNA BE ON LAND NOT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BRIDGE. A BRIDGE IS GOING TO BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION FOR I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG BUT THAT EGRESS ON LAND IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT LEAVING ON THE FIRST CASE OF LOGISTICS. IF WE HAVE TO TAKE THE FERRY SHUTTLE AS A RESIDENT AND MAKE IT TO LOWES HOME DEPOT, KROGER'S IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO MAKE THAT TRIP WITHOUT.

THANK YOU MICHEL BECAUSE THE TIME LIMITS BETWEEN THE AREAS AND SUCH.

SO THAT'S THAT'S A REAL IMPOSITION ON RESIDENTS THINK THAT WE COULD SHUTTLE BACK AND FORTH. THAT'S ALL I'D LIKE TO SAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN BY THAT SHUTTLE. >> WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? WELL, MISS RODMAN AND TALKED ABOUT SHUTTLING ALL THE RESIDENTS TO A RIBAUT PARKING.

>> OH RIGHT. SORRY. AND THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S THE PROBLEM IS THE LOGISTICS OF THAT IT INCREASES THE AMOUNT OF TIME WE'RE INSTEAD TRYING TO BE ON THE LOOK INSIDE A GUY. OK, THANK YOU. I'M LOOKING FOR PEOPLE TO

COMMENT ABOUT WHAT WE DISCUSSED. >> NOT NECESSARILY WHAT YOU WANT THE HISTORY TO BE REINVENTED RIBAUT. YES, MA'AM.

COME UP THERE. THANK YOU. NO, ACTUALLY I JEWELRY ENOUGH FOUND MR. RODMAN MADE SOME INCREDIBLE BULLETS. I THINK THAT THERE IS A LOT OF WORK THAT WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE UPON IT WITH DIALOG. I HAVE A COUPLE OF ISSUES THOUGH. I DO APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU FOR UNDERSTANDING WHERE WE COME FROM OPERATING WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK THAT YOU ARE GIVEN. ULTIMATELY WHEN IT COMES TO BETTER SIGNAGE ALRIGHT GUYS WE LIVE IN 2021. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I WENT TO A RESTAURANT WITHOUT GOOGLING IT FIRST. OK I WANT SOME WEB SITE SIGNAGE SIGNAGE IS IRRELEVANT BECAUSE WE LIVE IN 2021. IF WE WANT ANYBODY TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT'S GOING ON, WHAT DO WE DO? WE ASK THEM TO GO TO OUR WEBSITE. THEREFORE I THINK IT IS IN OUR BEST INTERESTS ULTIMATELY TO REQUIRE HAGUE TO DO SOME SORT OF WEB SITE SIGNAGE IF YOU WILL JUST SUPPORT THAT THE BRIDGE CENTER IS GOING TO BE THE NEW PICK UP DROP OFF POINT TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE ARE BULLETS REQUIRED FOR THE BUSES. I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD IDEA TO ADD ADDITIONAL BUSES.

THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS WHAT KIND CARRIAGE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT MAT TRUCKS? ARE WE TALKING ROCKSTAR BUSES OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT VANS? TROLLEYS? ARE WE GOING TO CONTINUE THE SAME TYPE OF TRANSPORTATION GIVEN THAT WE HAVE LIGHTBOX ON BOARDING ISLAND EXTENSION THAT MAKE SURE THEY NEED TO BE PAID MANAGED? IN THE SENSE THAT THEY ARE PROTECTED? I WOULD SUGGEST THAT FOR YOUR WHAT WOULD WE CALL IT? WE'LL CALL IT A CONGREGATION'S SITE FOR YOUR TOURISTS BECAUSE I LIVE ON BUCKINGHAM AND I KNOW INTIMATELY WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE CONFRONTED WITH TOURISTS THAT CONGREGATE AND THEN ARE UPSET

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THAT THEY EITHER DON'T HAVE PARKING AT THE APPROPRIATE PLACE OR THEY'RE WAITING OR THEY'RE WAITING AT MY LANDING OR THEY'RE CLOSE TO HITTING MY DOG OR MY SMALL CHILD THAT THERE IS AN OPENING AT THE ISLAND PLAYGROUND WHICH IS AT THE BRIDGE BRITAIN THAT CLOSED IN AUGUST OF 20. BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T MEET THE NEEDS OF THEIR THEIR

COHORT ENCODED. >> SO WHY DON'T WE MAYBE THINK ABOUT COMMERCIALLY ENGAGING AN ENTERPRISE WITH THEM WHERE YOUR TOURISTS CONGREGATE THERE RATHER THAN AT BUCKINGHAM BLANDING IN SO FAR AS MR CUNNINGHAM'S POINT. I SECOND MISS COULTER'S SENTIMENT AS WELL AS SPOKE BEFORE ME FROM THE. I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS REALLY, REALLY GOOD STUFF IN YOUR SUGGESTION AND SO FAR AS OPENING UP A MUSEUM OR CREATING A MIXED SPACE ON A SUCH THAT YOU CAN HAVE THOSE TOURISTS CONGREGATE THERE AND LEARN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR SOUTH CAROLINA HISTORY. LAST AND FOREMOST REPURPOSING OUR FACILITY WHEN IT COMES TO BUCKINGHAM LANDING. WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THAT NEEDS MORE DISCUSSION? AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST BECAUSE I'VE GOT 13 SECONDS. JULY 7TH IS WHEN OUR STRUCTURAL BRIDGE PLANTS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SCHEDULED TO BE UNVEILED IN THIS ENTIRE MEETING. THERE IS NO ONE DISCUSSION

ABOUT THAT AND I'M NOT SURE WHY. >> THERE YOU ARE.

THANK YOU. AND WE APPRECIATE ALL YOU DO. THANK YOU.

OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT. >> THAT'S THE KIND INPUT I'M LOOKING FOR, SIR. COME FORWARD AND THEN THE GENTLEMAN IN THE BACK.

GO AHEAD. >> THANK YOU. MY NAME IS ADAM MARTIN.

I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE DEFUNCT FERRY COMPANY AND WHICH IS OWNED AND OPERATED BY HEAD POINT. I'M IN A UNIQUE POSITION AS WELL BECAUSE I OWN PROPERTY ON THE ISLAND THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT DEVELOPING AND BUILDING A HOME FOR MY FAMILY.

WE UNDERSTAND AND EMPATHIZE WITH THE RESIDENTS OF BUCKINGHAM LANDING IN GOOD FAITH. WE'VE MADE SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL INVESTMENTS TO EASE THE TRAFFIC TO THE EMBARKATION. THAT INCLUDES LEASING OFF SITE RETAIL AND PARKING AND PAYING FOR A DAILY SHUTTLE SERVICE THAT OPERATES THREE ROUND TRIPS A DAY.

WE TOO DESIRE TO FIND A PERMANENT MAINLAND FERRY OUR EMBARKATION FOR THE FUSCA ISLAND THAT PROVIDES AMPLE PARKING ADEQUATE FACILITIES AND IS SAFE AND CONVENIENT FOR RESIDENTS AND THEIR GUESTS. WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT BUCKINGHAM IS ONLY AN INTERIM SOLUTION THAT THERE'S A FEW THINGS I JUST WANT TO REVIEW A FEW FACTS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP BEFORE MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR ON THERE OVER A THOUSAND DIFFERENT SCANLON RESIDENTS AND PROPERTY OWNERS WITH AN ACTIVE FERRY PASS THAT'S VETTED BY PALMETTO BREEZE RIGHT NOW.

>> THERE'S FOUR CLASSIFICATIONS OF FERRY PASS THROUGH EITHER FULL TIME RESIDENT OR PART TIME RESIDENT PROPERTY OWNER OR RENTER. THEY PAY BETWEEN THREE TO SIX DOLLARS AND ON AVERAGE ABOUT FIVE DOLLARS PER TRAVELER. THAT MONEY IS PAID TO PALMETTO BREEZE AND THEN IT GOES TO THE COUNTY IN TOTAL THAT'S ABOUT ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR THAT THE COUNTY MAKES ON RESIDENTS TRAVELING TO AND FROM THE FUSCA ISLAND.

>> THERE ARE 90 PARKING SPOTS AT BUCKINGHAM LANDING 75 OF THOSE ARE CURRENTLY OCCUPIED BY RESIDENTS AND LONG TERM RENTERS. THAT LEAVES FIFTEEN SPOTS THOSE 15 SPOTS ARE ONLY USED FOR THE 7 A.M. DEPARTURE IS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A PALMETTO BREEZE SHUTTLE AT THAT TIME. FOR EXAMPLE, TODAY THERE WERE 60 DAY TOURISTS THAT CAME TO THE ISLAND ONLY TWO CARS PARKED AT BUCKINGHAM LANDING THAT WERE DE TOURISTS DAY TRIPPERS TO THE FUNKY ISLAND AND YOU CAN LOOK AT THE WEBSITE OR REQUIRED TO PARK AT THE OFF SITE VISITORS CENTER WHICH IS IN THE BRIDGE AND BRIDGE CENTER JUST UP THE STREET AND RIDE A SHUTTLE BUS TO BUCKINGHAM LANDING. THE FERRY COMPANY PAYS FOR THAT SHUTTLE BUS FOR OFF SITE PARKING AND IT'S OPERATED BY PALMETTO BREEZE. IT'S WITH LICENSE DRIVERS.

IT'S WITH THEIR PALMETTO BREEZE SHUTTLE BUSES THERE FOR RIVALS AND DEPARTURES DAILY AT BUCKINGHAM LANDING AND THE SCHEDULE IS NOT DESIGNED FOR TOURISTS.

IT'S DESIGNED FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE FUNKY ISLAND. IT GIVES THEM ADEQUATE TIME SO THAT WHEN THEY DO LEAVE THE ISLAND THEY CAN DO THEIR SHOPPING IN SUCH TO THE RETAIL THAT'S THERE. THE FERRY COMPANY PROVIDES 24/7 ACCESS TO EMERGENCY SERVICES AT NO COST TO BEFORE COUNTY. WE PAY FOR ACCESS TO HARBOR TOWN AND HAVE A CAPTAIN AVAILABLE 24 HOURS A DAY. WE'VE GOT A TEAM OF 30 CAPTAINS INMATES THAT OPERATE SEVEN AIR CONDITIONED AND HEATED FERRY BOATS CAPABLE OF CARRYING SIGNIFICANT CARGO.

THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT SUSTAINS THE OVERNIGHT RENTAL BUSINESS.

ON THE FUSSY ISLAND SO YOUR CONSTITUENTS WHO LIVE AND RENT THEIR HOMES THROUGH THE RBA OR AIR BMV USE THIS FERRY SERVICE AS OPPOSED TO THE OTHERS BECAUSE THERE'S OVERNIGHT PARKING AVAILABLE AND IT'S ABLE TO CARRY UP TO 3000 POUNDS OF CARGO PER PER SHIP.

SO IN CONCLUSION WE'VE EVALUATED A LOT OF THE OTHER OPTIONS AS A FERRY COMPANY AND

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UNFORTUNATELY IN THE INTERIM THIS IS THE BEST ONE WE CAN FIND.

THANK YOU. >> OK, THERE'S GOING TO BE TWO MORE LEFT.

MR CHAIRMAN, I'M ON ZOOM AND WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A YOU WILL BE.

>> GO AHEAD, SIR. AND THEN I WILL PICK UP THAT ZOOM PERSON AFTER THAT.

YES, SIR. MR CHAIRMAN, MY NAME IS TOM TOVAR.

I REPRESENT 35 OF THE RESIDENTS OF BUCKINGHAM LANDING HERE TONIGHT.

FIRST I WANT THANK YOU ALL FOR THE CLEAR THOUGHT YOU ARE GIVING THIS.

BUT I WANT TO RECOMMEND A FEW THINGS. FIRST WE WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TONIGHT TO DECLINE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON ANY EXTENSION OF THE CONTRACT.

THERE IS A MONTH TO MONTH IN PLACE RIGHT NOW. THE STAFF WILL TELL YOU I BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN CONTINUE THAT. I HAVE NOT HEARD HAIG POINT SAY ONE WORD THAT THEY WOULD NOT CONTINUE WITH. YOU HAVE A MAN NAMED NEIL TURNER WHO HAS BEEN TRYING TO GET EACH ONE OF YOU ALL TO LISTEN TO AN OPTION THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE IF YOU WILL DECLINE THIS AND REBUILD THE CONTRACT.

I SEE NO REASON IN THE WORLD WHY YOU SHOULD NOT TELL THE STAFF THAT THIS MISTAKE IS NOT GOING TO GROW LEGS AND CONTINUE . THIS COMMUNITY HAS PAID THE PRICE FOR FOUR AND A HALF YEARS AND NOW WHEN EVERYBODY CAN FEEL CIRCLING HERE IS THE NEW EXCUSE THAT WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL THE BRIDGE'S AND THAT'S JUST WRONG.

YOU ALL KNOW THAT THIS WAS PROMISED TO THIS COMMUNITY AND IT WASN'T UNTIL LAST WEEK WHEN THEY FINALLY HAD TO BRING A LAWSUIT AGAINST THE COUNTY TO WHICH THEY PAID TAXES AND TO NOW PAY LAWYERS WHO DEFENDED THE JOEL TOOK SERIOUSLY THE FACT THAT THIS HAS GOT TO BE MOVED AND ONE OF THEM POINT TO EVEN THINK ABOUT THIS COUNTY AT THIS POINT IN TIME TAKEN THE POSITION THAT YOU ARE NOW GOING TO REZONE THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR PUBLIC SERVICE USE AFTER YOU'VE SPENT FOUR YEARS TELLING THIS COMMUNITY USE OF THAT RESTAURANT LIKE IT IS WAS COMPLETELY LEGAL COMPLETELY WITHIN THE ORDINANCES AND BEAUFORT COUNTY IS REP.. THANK YOU, SIR. I ASKED THE CHILD OF THIS TIME TO EXTEND THE CONTRACT WHATSOEVER AND REBUILD THE PROJECT DEACON AS THE REVEREND

. >> HOLD ON. >> LET ME GO AHEAD, DEAN.

MY NAME IS DEAN. ROBERTSON. MY FAMILY'S BEEN BIG IN THE BERRY FOR A HOME TRUSTEE FOR 22 YEARS. MY WIFE AND I NOW LIVE ON ASKING FOR ON AND DEPEND ON THE FERRY SERVICE. WE STRONGLY SUPPORT AWARDING THE BERRY CONTRACT AND HAIG AND KEEPING THE IMPLICATION THAT I CONDEMN LAND UNTIL A BETTER SOLUTION CAN BE FOUND THE NECESSARY INFRASTRUCTURE CAN BE CONSTRUCTED.

A POINT. BOATS ARE ENCLOSED AIR CONDITIONED AND HAVE DEVELOPED TOILETS. A BOAT BREAKS DOWN A SEND A BACKUP IMMEDIATELY PLANES.

CREWS WELL-TRAINED, HELPFUL AND COURTEOUS TO ALL PASSING. HOWEVER, I SEE ONE ISSUE WITH A PROPOSAL THAT MAY NEED TO BE THE SUBJECT OF ANOTHER CONDITION.

A PROPOSAL LIMITS THE NUMBER OF RESIDENT PARKING PERMITS TO THIRTY FIVE OF THE NINETY FIVE SPACES AT BUCKINGHAM LANDING WHEN THE EMBARKATION MOVED TO BUCKINGHAM AND TWO THOUSAND SEVENTEEN PALMETTO BREEZE PROVIDED FORTY FIVE PERMITTED SPACES FOR RESIDENTS.

MEANWHILE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE LIVING ON THE PESKY AND DEPENDING ON THE FERRY IS CONTINUING TO GROW. A POINT CHARGES 50 RESIDENTS FIFTY DOLLARS PER MONTH FOR EACH PARKING PERMIT UNLESS A RESIDENT CHOOSES TO PAY ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH RESERVED SPACE. I BELIEVE THIS IS FAIR AFTER THE ALLOTTED NUMBER OF PERMITS HAS BEEN TAKEN A WIND HAS CHARGED RESIDENTS ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH FOR PARKING A WAIT AND CONFIRM THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS WERE PAYING THE PARK AND THE RATES THAT THEY ARE CHARGING THOSE PASSENGERS. I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT ALL HUSKY RESIDENTS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARK AT THE EMBARKATION CENTER FOR FIFTY DOLLARS A MONTH SIXTY SIX HUNDRED DOLLARS A YEAR. THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL PERMITS CAN RESIDENT PERMITS CAN REMAIN FLEXIBLE DURING THE TERM OF THE CONTRACT FOR THE NUMBER OF PERMITS CAN BE RESET TO MATCH DEMAND. ANY ONE YEAR EXTENSION OF THE CONTRACT.

THE REVENUE WHICH THE FERRY OPERATOR RECEIVES FROM TOURIST REPAIRS, LUGGAGE AND PARKING ARE MORE THAN ADEQUATE TO BE ABLE TO LIMIT PARKING FEES TO ALL THE PESKY RESIDENTS TO SIX HUNDRED DOLLARS A YEAR OR UNRESERVED SPACES AND TWELVE HUNDRED DOLLARS PER YEAR OR RESERVED SPACES. I WOULD LIKE OPPOSE THAT AND ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER IT AS AN ADDITIONAL OKATIE. THANKS FOR CONSIDERING MY VIEWS.

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THANK. AT THIS POINT IN TIME WE'VE GONE OVER THE 15 MINUTES THAT I'VE ALLOCATED FOR THIS. WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO HAVE COUNCIL BEGIN TO FINALIZE WHAT WE WANT TO DO. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. YOU KNOW, AS YOGI BERRA SAID, IT AIN'T OVER TILL IT'S OVER. THIS AIN'T OVER BY A LONG SHOT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY BODY HAS A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN. WE'VE HEARD SOME THINGS THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE ARE DONE.

THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF WHAT WE NEED FOR A PERMANENT SOLUTION.

OUR ON MR. CHAIRMAN, I'VE GOT TWO QUESTIONS FOR THE FERRY COMPANY THAT I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT. SO THE FERRY COMPANY. I'VE BEEN ASKING THIS QUESTION FOR WEEKS. I HAVEN'T ANY ANSWERS NOT FROM YOU GUYS ADMINISTRATION BUT WHAT ARE THE NUMBER OF VISITORS VERSUS THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS THEY USE TO FERRY KEEP TRACK OF RESIDENTS AND VISITORS? VISITORS COULD BE FAMILIES, GUESTS, EXTENDED FAMILY.

THERE'S A THOUSAND ASKING ISLAND PARCEL OVER. SO I DON'T HAVE A GOOD COUNT

TOWARDS DAY TRIPPERS VERSUS SOMEBODY'S GOING TO VISIT. >> SECOND QUESTION IS HAVE YOU GUYS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO MR. TURNER ABOUT THE USE OF JENKINS ISLAND?

IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? IF NOT, WHY NOT? >> WE'VE WE WE MET LAST WEEK.

IT'S IT'S A POSSIBILITY. I THINK THERE'S STILL A LOT OF UNKNOWNS THERE.

SO A LOT WOULD HAVE TO BE A LOT OF CHANGES STILL WOULD BE MADE. BUT IT'S DEFINITELY A POSSIBILITY. I WILL OFFER AN AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE NOT TO RESERVE NOT

TO REZONE A PUBLIC SERVICE. >> NUMBER TWO, CLEAR VISIBLE INFORMATION ON THE FERRY WEB SITE ALONG WITH THE SIGNAGE AS SUGGESTED BY MISS FRANKLIN. NUMBER THREE MOVE ALL THE PARKING THROUGH REMOTE. I APPRECIATE THE SUGGESTION. I THINK IT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION. I THINK THAT WILL ALLEVIATE A LOT OF THE CONCERNS.

I THINK THAT THAT'S A GOOD WAY TOWARD A COMPROMISE HERE. AND THEN FINALLY MAKE THIS A ONE YEAR DURATION NOT RENEWABLE TO GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO REBID THIS WITH THE HOPE THAT WE CAN MOVE THIS TO A MORE PERMANENT TEMPORARY LOCATION WHILE AT LEAST FOR JENKINS ISLAND RAILROAD THAT'S GOING TO BE OK. DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND WHAT COUNCILMAN HERBERT JOHN HAS SAID AND WILL SOMEBODY SECOND THAT I'LL SECOND MR. CUNNINGHAM

HAS SECONDED THAT. >> SO DULY MOTIONED AND SECONDED.

DISCUSS. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ONE QUESTION.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS BROUGHT UP WAS JENKINS ISLAND. MR. TURNER.

ARE YOU THE LAWYER FOR THAT LAWSUIT THAT'S GOING ON JENKINS ISLAND CURRENTLY? I'M. I BELIEVE THERE'S A LAWSUIT GOING ON CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW WITH JENKINS ISLAND. ARE YOU THE LAWYER REPRESENT ENDING THAT CASE AS WELL? THAT HAS TO DO WITH PARKING ON JENKINS ISLAND WITH A PORKY DISPUTE THAT'S GOING TO REPRESENT YOUR CONNECTION WITH THE FORMER. WASN'T THAT HAVING TO DO WITH PARKING ALL WITH COMPLIANCE THE RV PARK? WELL, NOT REALLY OR ANY ISSUE WITH THAT. MISS HOWARD, I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS AMENDMENT.

WE HEARD FROM PEOPLE FROM DIVERSITY THAT REMOTE PARKING FOR THE LONG TERM RESIDENTS DOES NOT WORK FOR THEM. WHEN YOU HAVE TO MAKE LOGISTICAL DECISIONS TO GO TO ALL DIFFERENT PLACES THAT THEY HAVE TO DO TO COLLECT THEIR GROCERIES, ET CETERA.

SO I WILL NOT BE VOTING FOR THIS AMENDMENT. THANK YOU.

OTHER COMMENTS. OK. THIS ONE MAY MAYBE ANSWERED CHRIS'S QUESTION. THE STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED THAT THERE ARE 70 PARKING SPOTS IN THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION. AND IF YOU GO AND COUNT THE CARS THERE'S ABOUT NINETY FIVE TO ONE HUNDRED THAT ARE THERE AFTER THE LAST FERRY. SO WE'RE ALREADY 25 30 PERCENT BEYOND THE PARKING BY THE PEOPLE THAT ARE QUOTE RESIDENTS OR WHATEVER THAT THAT GROUP IS.

SO WE'RE ALREADY EXCEEDING THAT PARKING COME. >> I THINK IF WE GO TO REMOTE PARKING FOREVER THERE'LL BE SUFFICIENT PARKING FOR CARS AT THAT LOCATION AND THERE'LL BE A VALET SERVICE AVAILABLE THERE AS WELL TO ASSIST WITH GROCERIES AND LUGGAGE AND WHATEVER ELSE BULKY ITEMS HAVE TO BE PUT ON THE BUS THAT WILL TAKE EVERYONE TO THE FERRY

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EMBARKATION POINT. SO I'M A LITTLE UNSURE WHY THE REMOTE PARKING WOULD BE AN ISSUE IF THERE IS SUFFICIENT PARKING FOR ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY CARS THAT WOULD THEN ALLOW TRANSPORTATION TO THE FERRY SITE WITH A VALET SERVICE TO ASSIST WITH LOADING ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN PURCHASED DURING THIS SHOPPING TRIPS THAT OCCURRED DURING THAT DAY. SO THAT MAY SOLVE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS UNLESS I UNDERSTAND IT VERY CLEARLY FROM WHAT MR. RODMAN'S SUGGESTION WAS. BUT HAVE I GOT THAT WRONG SORT

OF NOTE? >> THE WAY I KIND OF LOOK AT IT IS IF IF I LIVED ON THE FIRST KEY AND I HAD A CHOICE OF TWO THINGS ONE WHICH WOULD BE TO GO TO A REMOTE TERMINAL 15 MINUTES BEFORE THE FERRY AND KNOW THAT I HAD A PARKING SPOT OR TO GO AND TAKE A CHANCE ON FINDING ONE I THINK I WOULD GO EARLIER THAN TO SCRAMBLE TO GET ONE AS OPPOSED TO GOING TO A PLACE WHERE I KNOW I CAN PARK AND MAKE THE FERRY. SO YOU'RE RIGHT.

RIGHT. NO, I'M SORRY. YOU KNOW, WE'VE ASKED FOR YOUR INPUT. NOW IS THE TIME FOR US. YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AT THE END BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE A SECOND PUBLIC. I NEED TO CORRECT A COUPLE

OF THINGS THAT BEN SAID HERE TONIGHT. >> FOR THE RECORD, JUST SO COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT BY ESTABLISHING A PUBLIC SERVICE USE.

THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ABOUT REZONING THE PROPERTY THE ESTABLISHED PUBLIC SERVICE USED WOULD NOT ACTUALLY CHANGE THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY.

IT WOULD ALLOW THE COUNTY COUNCIL AFTER CONDUCTING TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS ONE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND ONE BEFORE YOU ALL TO ESTABLISH THAT PROPERTY AS BEING ABLE TO CARRY OUT SOME LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT OPERATION THAT'S ENTITLED YOU THROUGH THE STATE LAW AS A LOCAL GOVERNING BODY THE ZONING WOULD NOT CHANGE AS A PUBLIC SERVICE USE APPROVAL.

>> I DEALT WITH THIS IN YORK COUNTY. I HAD IT WORKED VERY WELL.

YOU ORGANS ESTABLISH CONDITIONS FOR THE USE OF THE PROPERTY HOW IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DEVELOPED THE LENGTH OF TIME AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT WOULD GO ALONG WITH THAT.

>> I JUST WANT THAT TO BE CLEAR FOR THE RECORD BECAUSE MR. TAYLOR SO ASSERTION THAT IT'S A REZONING IS TOTALLY INACCURATE BECAUSE THAT DESIGNATION ALLOW EARLY ON YEARS AGO THE WONDERFUL MARRIAGE CULTURE AND USCCB WERE TRYING TO GET OUR MARITIME SERVICES FUNCTION GOING THERE WITH THAT DESIGNATION ALLOWED THEM TO DO THAT SO THAT NO OTHER USE COULD NO COMMERCIAL USE WOULD BE USED FOR THAT PROPERTY AND IT WOULD HAVE IT YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS IF YOU MADE ANY USE OF THAT BUILDING FOR ANYTHING THAT'S NOT ALLOWED IN THE BUGGING AND LANDING ZONING DISTRICTS FOR OUR MARITIME CENTER.

>> YOU KNOW THAT'S NOT WHERE WE'RE GOING OFF TARGET NOW BECAUSE WE HAVE A UNAMENDED THAT WE HAVE TO SPEAK AND VOTE ON. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE AMENDMENT? I CAN. I CAN WAIT.

IT WAS A QUESTION FOR MR. GREENWAY BUT OK. SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT BUT MR. TAYLOR'S POINT WE JUST ADMITTED THAT WE IT'S BEEN AN THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD THE ABILITY TO USE THAT PURPOSE FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS. YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD USE IT. SO I MEAN WHAT'S ANOTHER YEAR REALLY? IT'S BEEN FOUR FIVE ALMOST. BUT I CAN'T BELIEVE WE JUST ADMITTED THAT IN THE PUBLIC.

OK. ARE WE READY TO VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT COMMITTEE UNDERSTANDS

THE AMENDMENT THAT MR. HERBERT SCHON HAS PROPOSED, OK. >> MR. HIRSCHHORN, YOU MADE THE MOTION YOU GET TO VOTE FIRST. YES. RIGHT.

MR. CUNNINGHAM, YOU WERE THE SECOND. >> YES.

WE BEGIN WITH MR. DAWSON ON THE AMENDED MOTION. MR. FLEMING, I HAVE TO GO NOW.

>> MR. GLOVER. NO. >> MISS HOWARD.

NO. MR. LAWSON. OUR CLASS AND NO MR. MCGOWAN.

NO. >> MR. RUDMAN? NO.

MR. SOMERVILLE? >> NO CHAIR VOTES NO. MOTION IS DEFEATED WITH TWO YES AND NINE NO. WE'RE BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION, MR. CUNNINGHAM.

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SO MY QUESTION IS THEN ARE WE GOING TO PUT AN END DATE ON THIS? I MEAN WE HAVE TO DO YOU KNOW WHAT WE HAVE TO PUT AN END DATE ON THIS USED FOR THIS PROPERTY . WE CAN'T JUST LEAVE THIS UP TO GO RENEW AND RENEW.

I MEAN THAT'S THE THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING OF THIS MOTION WAS PUTTING A ONE YEAR TERM ON THIS. AND WE ALL JUST TURNED IT DOWN. YEAH.

WE ALL JUST SIT UP HERE AND SAY THAT WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE PLAN.

WELL, PUT THE PRESSURE ON US. WE'RE THE ONES THAT MESSED UP. WE HAVE TO.

I WILL ANSWER IT THIS WAY. AND IF YOU SAY A YEAR FROM NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DEFINITIVE SITE AND BE ABLE TO MOVE IN ONE YEAR. I DON'T THINK THAT'S POSSIBLE.

EVEN IF THE BRIDGES ARE DELINEATED SOME TIME THIS YEAR, IT IS GOING TO TAKE SEVERAL MONTHS BEFORE CONTRACTS ARE LEFT AND THE FINAL PINPOINT AREA OF WHERE THOSE PIERS ARE

GOING TO GO. >> SO I DO NOT SEE THAT WE CAN DEFINITIVELY TELL THESE PEOPLE ONE YEAR FROM TODAY WE'RE OUT OF THERE. I THINK IT'S MORE ABOUT GIVING THEM AN ANSWER OF WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO ONE YEAR FROM NOW. WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TELL THEM WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE. WELL, LIKE OBVIOUSLY CONSTRUCTION HAS TO TAKE PLACE.

ANY INDIVIDUAL IN THIS ROOM AND GET THAT. BUT WE SHOULD PUT THE PRESSURE ON OURSELVES TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. WELL, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU THAT WE WANT A PLACE THAT IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TONIGHT IS TO RENEW THE CONTRACT FOR A YEAR OR LONGER DEPENDING UPON WHAT COUNCIL VOTES ON KNOWING FULL WELL. WE HAVE TOLD THESE PEOPLE WE WANT TO MAKE CHANGES SO THAT DURING THE INTERIM TIME BEFORE THE FINAL DESIGNATED SITE IS DONE AS WE'RE MOVING TOWARDS THAT WE HAVE SOME CHANGES THAT WE NEED HERE. CHRIS, I SAW YOUR HAND FIRST AND THEN MARK. MR. WE COULD DO THIS IF WE REALLY WANTED TO.

WE CAN MOVE THIS LOCATION 45 JENKINS ISLAND OF MR. TURNER. I'M NOT GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT. WE SHOULD HAVE LET HIM SPEAK, PROPOSE HIS PLAN AND MAYBE WE WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT ANSWER UP HERE. I THINK THAT THAT'S A WAY BETTER OPTION AND PROBABLY MEAN THAT AN I HAVEN'T I MEAN LET ME JUST JUMP ON WHAT CHRIS SAID.

EVERYTHING I'VE SEEN SO FAR IS IN THE SHORT TERM JENKINS IRELAND WOULD NOT WORK WITHIN THAT YEAR FOR US TO MAKE IT WORK. BUT AGAIN, THAT DOES MEAN WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD. SO WHAT WHAT I WILL LOOK AT HERE IS THE FACT THAT I CAME TO THE MEETING FOR BUCKINGHAM LANDING, LISTENED TO EVERYONE THAT CAME THERE AND AS THEY TALKED IT WASN'T THE FUSCA ISLAND RESIDENTS THAT WERE CAUSING THE PROBLEM.

>> IT WAS THE TOURISTS THAT WERE CAUSING THE PROBLEM WITH THE TRAFFIC AND THEN SHOWING UP AND BEING THERE CONGREGATING AND WALKING DOWN STREETS. I MEAN TAKING WHAT MR. RODMAN HAS HAS SAID AND WHAT MR. PARSONS HAS TALKED ABOUT IS TRYING TO FIND A COMPROMISE AND YOU KNOW WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS US DOING A A ONE YEAR CONTRACT WITH TWO MORE ADDITIONAL YEARS AS OPTIONS. AGAIN, THOSE ARE OPTIONS THAT WE LOOK AT.

WE THEN TAKE THE OPTION OF MOVING THE TOURIST TO ANOTHER LOCATION WHETHER THAT'S BRIDGE CENTER OR SOMEPLACE ELSE AND BRINGING IN SHUTTLING THE TOURISTS STILL ALLOWING AS MANY REASONABLE CARS OF RESIDENTS TO STILL CONTINUE TO PARK AT BUCKINGHAM LANDING KNOWING THAT AGAIN AS I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT WE UP HERE WE NEED WHEN IT GETS TO FUSCA PEOPLE AS WELL AS BUCKINGHAM LANDING PEOPLE THAT NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FOLLOW THROUGH.

BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHICH IS FIND A PERFECT LOCATION AND FIND THE MONEY TO DO IT AND AS QUICK AS TIME IS IS WE CAN AND SO AGAIN THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WHAT I WOULD WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN. I THINK THAT IS A COMPROMISE FROM FROM ALL SIDES AND IT'S SHORT TERM. AGAIN, IT'S NOT LONG TERM NOT LOOKING TO US FOR A LONG TIME AND FOR US TO HAVE DECISIONS AND LISTEN TO YOU ALL AND HAVE YOU ALL YOU'LL HAVE MY PHONE NUMBER, MY EMAIL THAT THEY STAY ON TOP OF US TO MAKE SURE THIS HAPPENS.

I INTERPRET MR. LAWSON'S COMMENTS AS A MOTION AND I SECOND SECOND INTO OK.

>> SO WE HAVE THE ACTUALLY AN AMENDMENT BECAUSE WE WE HAVE THE WORDS OF AN ANNUAL CONTRACT AND HE'S SPECIFYING EXACTLY HOW THAT CONTRACT WOULD BE DONE. RIGHT.

OK. SO DISCUSSION ABOUT THE AMENDED MOTION BY MR. LAWSON TO MAKE IT

A ONE CONTRACT WITH TWO RENEWAL YEARS SECONDED BY MR. FLEMING. >> ALL MARKING OFF SITE IT WAS

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VERY CLEAR WITH ALL MARKING OFF SIGN AND THAT WITHIN A YEAR WE DEVELOP A PLAN FOR FOR AN

ALTERNATIVE SITE. >> THE LOCAL RESIDENTS I MEAN THE RESIDENT FORCED YOU TO HAVE

PARKING AT THE LANDING, RIGHT? YES, SIR. >> SO NOT TODAY.

YEAH. WHEN YOU SAY CORRECT OFF SITE OR OFF SITE.

>> YES, WE'LL BE OFF SITE. RESIDENTS WILL BE ON SITE BUT. >> OK.

MR. CUNNINGHAM, YOU GO FIRST. MR. SULLIVAN MR. LAWSON, I I HAVE ONE REQUEST BEFORE I

SUPPORT THIS. >> WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO AMEND IT TO SAY THAT THE SECOND YEAR, THE SECOND AND THIRD YEAR WOULD BE NULL AND VOID IF WE CANNOT GIVE THEM AN ANSWER BY OUR ONE YEAR OF WHAT OUR PLAN IS NOT SAYING IT HAS TO BE DONE BUT TO ACTUALLY GIVE THEM AN ANSWER. THIS IS OUR PLAN. WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.

WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO GET RID OF THE SECOND AND THIRD YEAR AND PUT THIS BACK OUT TO BID YOU STOP THE FERRY SERVICE OR FIND ANOTHER LOCATION OR RENEGOTIATE? I I MEAN I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THAT. MR. CUNNINGHAM BUT IT'S NOT A

REALISTIC WAY TO PUT TO TO PUT IT TOGETHER. >> I MEAN WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS THIS IS IN ONE YEAR FROM NOW IF WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING, I EXPECT TO SEE ALL THESE LOVELY PEOPLE OUT HERE AGAIN AND AND EVEN MORE SO I THINK THAT I KNOW I'M WITH YOU EARLY ON I CAN'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THESE FOLKS WHICH I PROMISE THAT WE'RE GOING TO FIND A

PERMANENT LOCATION. >> SO I WOULD PROBABLY NOT EVEN BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM BUT I WOULD PROBABLY NOT DO THAT BECAUSE AGAIN THEY'RE DOING THE SAME THING IN THE END. WE'RE GONNA BE HERE TO MAKE THIS WORK, MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

>> MISS HOWARD, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. IF THIS AMENDMENT PASSES, WHAT WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO EXISTING RFP AND HOW WILL THE POWER. HOW WOULD STAFF ADDRESS THE VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS AMENDMENT? WAS MAY JUST NAME LEGAL COUNCIL'S. I THINK YOU ALL CAN MODIFY THE CONDITIONS OF THE CONTRACT NOT BACK OUT AGAIN IF YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE LENGTH OF TERMS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF YOU CAN MODIFY IT AS COUNCIL MEMBER LAWSON SAID TO HAVE ONE A ONE YEAR CONTRACT TO EXPAND EXTENSION OPTIONS AND WITHOUT HAVING TO GO OUT FOR ANOTHER GO BACK UP WELL UNDER THAT

CONDITION I WOULD SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS LIKE THIS ONE? MY MIGHT ON THAT. I THINK YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK, MARTY. THE ONLY PIECE I'M STILL STRUGGLING WITH IS THE STAFF HAS SAID WE HAVE 70 PARKING SPACES AT THE FACILITIES AND IF YOU GO AND COUNT THE CARS THERE'S ONE. AND SO WE GET TWENTY FIVE MORE CARS PARKING THERE TODAY EVERY WHICH WAY THAN THERE IS SPACES. SO SOMEHOW WE'VE GOT TO ADDRESS THAT.

I DON'T WE THE CARS THAT GO BEYOND 70 OR WHATEVER BUT I THINK WE'RE IGNORING THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE. WELL, THE EXTRA 25 CARS WE'RE ASSUMING ARE TOURISTS.

NO, THEY'RE NOT BECAUSE I COUNTED THEM AFTER THE LAST FERRY BOAT.

SO IF IT'S AFTER THE LAST FERRY BOAT BY DEFINITION EVERYBODY WHO'S PARKED NILLY IS STAYING

OVERNIGHT ON FUNKY RESIDENCE. >> AND LET ME IF I CAN'T SEE YOU LET ME JUST SAY WHAT WHAT I WAS THINKING WAS OBVIOUSLY IF SOMEONE IS GOING TO BE PARKING AT PUBLIC AGREES THAT THERE SHOULD BE A EITHER NO FEE OR A VERY SMALL FEE WHICH I THINK A LOT OF RESIDENTS WOULD THEN SAY IF I CAN PARK MY CAR THERE WITH A SMALL FEE OR NO FEE THAT YOU'D HAVE PEOPLE THAT WOULD OPT FOR THAT AS OPPOSED TO MR. ROBESON WHO MENTIONED THE HUNDRED DOLLAR AND A FIFTY DOLLAR AND HAVING PRIORITY NOT HAVING PRIORITY. I THINK THAT'S ENOUGH THAT WE COULD ALL FIGURE OUT AND WORK OUT IN THE LONG RUN. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT WE HAVE TO CUT DOWN THE CARS AND MAKE SURE THE PARK IN THE CORRECT PARKING SPACES MAKES IT SAFE.

AND I AGREE WITH THAT. THAT PART OF YOUR SORRY MENTALITY OF THIS IS MY UNDERSTANDING WE'RE GOING TO AMEND WHAT WE HAVE WITH THE CONTRACT WITH THESE OTHER ITEMS THAT WERE DELINEATED THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU. WE'RE GOING TO SAY THAT IT IS A ONE YEAR CONTRACT WITH TWO YEAR RENEWALS POTENTIAL RENEWALS COUNTY WILL HAVE TO RENEW THE CONTRACT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE REMOTE PARKING FOR TOURISTS BUT ALLOW THE RESIDENTS TO PARK AT BUCKINGHAM LANDING THAT SUMMARIZED CORRECTLY WHAT YOU AND MR. FLOWING HAVE MOTION. YES, AND MY QUESTION WAS. WE WERE REQUIRING STAFF TO SUBMIT A PERMANENT PLAN WITHIN A YEAR. YES.

AND THE STAFF IS GOING TO COME UP WITH THE PERMANENT PLAN WITHIN ONE YEAR.

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MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN PROMISED YEARS AGO THAT REMOTE PARKING IS GOING TO BE FOR TOURISTS ANYWAY. WE SHOULD ALREADY BE DOING THAT .

SO WHO'S GOING TO ENFORCE THAT AND THEN HOW IS THE RENEWAL PROCESS GOING TO WORK? IS THAT GOING TO COME THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO GO TO STAFF.

IS IT GOING TO WORK? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ENFORCE THE PARKING THE STAGE POINT BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN DOING THAT AND THE SHERIFF FRANKLY DOESN'T SEEM TO CARE ABOUT SPEEDING OR THE PARKING. SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO ENFORCE THESE THINGS FOR PROMISING WE'RE MAKING BIG PROMISES OR WHAT DO WE ACTUALLY DO KNOW? VERY GOOD QUESTIONS THAT WE WILL GET ANSWERS TO IF THIS IS A VOTE BEFORE YOU ANSWER. I CAN'T SAY YOU HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT BUT I SAY AS I UNDERSTAND IT AND AGAIN I COULD BE WRONG HERE BUT IF ALL OF THESE THINGS MADE A PART OF THE CONDITIONS OF THE CONTRACT THAT GIVES STAFF SOMETHING THE UN FORCE AS A PART OF THE CONTRACT IF THEY'RE FAILED TO BE ADHERED TO AND WE IMPROVE THAT AND WE WORK WITH THE OWNER AND THEY'RE IN BREACH OF CONTRACT THEN WE BRING THAT BACK. YOU SAY THEY'RE IN BREACH OF CONTRACT.

YOU GUYS WANT TO KEEP THIS THING GO ON OR WHATEVER. SO IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE FUSCA ISLAND FERRY OPERATORS TO POLICE THIS. I'M SURE THE RESIDENTS THEY DON'T MIND LET ME KNOW NOW ON THE WEEKENDS WHENEVER SOMEONE'S VIOLATING PARKING OUT THERE.

>> I'M SURE THAT'LL CONTINUE IF THAT WERE TO OCCUR. >> BUT THAT'S THE WAY YOU ENFORCE IT. SO YEAH, YOU KNOW WHEN MONITORING THE ACTIVITIES RESIDENTS PARKING LOT. RIGHT. DO WHAT? NOW SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO BE THERE MONITORING ACTIVITIES AT THE RESULT A PARK IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT. I'M SAYING IT'S WRONG. I'M SAYING THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. YEAH. IF YOU ARE IF YOU ALL DOESN'T APPROVE THIS MOTION, YOU ALL HAVE TO HAVE COURT THAT STATE YOUR STAFF BE ABLE TO CARRY OUT THE DIRECTION THAT YOU GIVE US AND THAT I AS THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR CAN IMPLEMENT A PLAN THAT WILL ACHIEVE THE GOALS AND THE CONDITIONS THAT YOU HAVE SET.

AND WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO DO THEM. QUESTION IF WE DID NOT MOVE FORWARD ONE WAY OR ANOTHER AND REMOVE THIS FROM THE AGENDA, WOULD THE CONTRACT CONTINUE GO MONTH TO MONTH UNTIL WE COULD COME UP WITH A RESOLUTION? YES THE CONTRACT WOULD WE WOULD REQUEST THAT THE CONTACT CONTRACT CONTINUE TO GO MONTH TO MONTH UNTIL WE CAME UP TO A RESOLUTION BECAUSE CLEARLY WE'RE DIVIDED UP HERE TONIGHT. I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'RE

DIVIDED. >> I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN A VOTE YET.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU ARE DIVIDED BUT I AND I SAY I SHARE MY OBSERVATION. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE THE DULY AMENDED MOTION ON THE FLOOR. THE MOTION WAS BEING MADE BY OUR MANAGER MR. LAWSON AND SECONDED BY MR. LLEWELLYN. MR. LAWSON, YOU MADE THE MOTION.

YOU WILL GO FIRST. >> MARK LAWSON. YES.

MR. FLO WELLING. YES, MR. CUNNINGHAM. >> NO.

MR. DAWSON. >> YES. MR. GLOVER.

YES. MR. HER VISION? NO.

MISS HOWARD. YES. MR. MCKELLEN.

YES. MR. RODMAN. YES.

MR. SUMMERVILLE? >> YES. AND THE CHAIR SAYS YES.

THE MOTION IS SUCCESSFUL. IT HAS BEEN AMENDED AND WE'RE BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION TO VOTE ON THE CONTRACT WITH ALL OF THESE AMENDMENTS TO THAT. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION

BEFORE WE TAKE ACTION? >> SEEING NONE, THE ORIGINAL MOTION WAS MADE BY MR. RODMAN.

>> SO YOU WILL GO FIRST? YES. >> MR..

YES. >> MR. CUNNINGHAM. >> I TOLD YOU GUYS BEFOREHAND THAT IF THIS WAS ANYTHING BEYOND ONE YEAR I WOULD VOTE NO.

AND THIS STILL GIVES THE OPTION FOR SECOND AND THIRD YEAR WITH NO JURISDICTION TO THAT WHATSOEVER. I STILL VOTE NO. MR. DAWSON IS MR. FLOOR WELCOME? YES. MR. GLOVER.

YES, MR. HARVEY SHINE. NOW HERE'S HOWARD. YES, MR. LAWSON.

OUR GLASS AND YES. SUMMER VOTE YES. THE CHAIR SAYS YES.

AND THE MOTION IS SUCCESSFUL NINE YES. TWO NO.

THAT TAKES CARE OF THE ITEM NUMBER ELEVEN. WE ARE NOW ITEM NUMBER TWELVE

[12. PUBLIC HEARING AND SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE FOR THE FY2021 BUDGET AMENDMENT VOTE AT FIRST READING: MAY 24, 2021 11:0]

WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING. AND SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE FOR THE FISCAL 22 TWENTY ONE BUDGET AMENDMENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ATTENDING THIS DRIP BACK MOTION TO EXTEND BEYOND THE 8:00 HOUR. OK, MOTION AND SECOND TO EXTEND BEYOND EIGHT O'CLOCK.

ANY DISCUSSION? SAY NO DISCUSSION IS DONE. YOU'VE DONE WITH THE HELP

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OF JUDGE SHUT SINCE THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS. WE WILL EXTEND THE BOND THE EIGHT BY EIGHT PLEASE GO UP QUIETLY SO WE CAN CONTINUE ON. OK.

I'D LIKE A MOTION FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SECOND READING OF THE BUDGET AMENDMENT MOTION PLEASE. MOVING. OKAY.

MR. LAWSON, YOU MADE THE MOTION AND MR. CUNNINGHAM YOU MADE THE SECOND DISCUSSION BEFORE I GO TO THE PUBLIC. DID YOU SECONDED THAT SYMPATHY? I DID.

ALL RIGHT. NO, YOU'RE FINE. I'M SORRY AND SAY A LOUD ENOUGH . OKAY. AS A FIRST USUALLY I WAS THERE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE BUDGET AMENDMENT? IS THERE ANYBODY ON LINE THAT WISHES TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE BUDGET AMENDMENT? ITEM NUMBER 12 SEEING NONE THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION IS CLOSED.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE TAKE ACTION? ITEM NUMBER TWELVE IS YOU'RE LOOKING. NO, IT'S NOT THE ANNUAL BUDGET. THIS IS THE BUDGET AMENDMENT

FOR THE CURRENT YEAR END OF THIS YEAR IT. >> YEAH BUT AGAIN OK.

SEEING NO DISCUSSION THIS WILL BE APPROVED WITHOUT OBJECTION. I SEE NO OBJECTIONS FROM ANYONE

[13. PUBLIC HEARING AND SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE- TEXT AMENDMENTS TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE (CDC): ARTICLE 5, DIVISION 5.6, SECTIONS 5.6.10; 5.6.20; 5.6.30; 5.6.40; 5.6.50; 5.6.80; 5.6.90; 5.6.100; 5.6.120; 5.6.160; AND 5.6.170; ARTICLE 7, DIVISION 7.2, SECTION 7.2.40; AND ARTICLE 10, SECTIONS 10.1.10; 10.1.30; 10.1.40; 10.1.50; 10.1.60; 10.1.70; 10.1.90; 10.1.120; 10.1.140; 10.1.150; 10.1.160; 10.1.190; AND 10.1.200, TO UPDATE DEFINITIONS, REGULATIONS, AND PROCEDURES FOR SIGNS AND SIGN PERMITS. VOTE AT FIRST READING: MAY 24, 2021 10:1]

THEREFORE. >> ITEM TWELVE IS APPROVED. ITEM NUMBER 13 IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND SECOND READING OF THE ORDINANCE TEXT AMENDMENTS TO THE CDC CODE ARTICLES 5 5 POINT 6 UP TO DATE DEFINITIONS REGULATIONS AND PROCEDURES FOR SIGN AND SIGN PERMITS. MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE FOR THAT ITEM? I'LL MAKE A MOTION OF THIS HOWARD MAKES THE MOTION MR. GLOVER MAKES.

THE SECOND IS MR. SCOTT FITZGERALD WITH US VERTICAL PARTNER.

OH, I'M SORRY SCOTT. I COULDN'T READ YOUR LAST NAME .

YEAH, I AM. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

YOU WISH TO MAKE A PRESENT A SHORT PRESENTATION. SCOTT HAS YOUR OWN VERY SHORT.

THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE JUST TYPICALLY THREE SECTIONS DIVISION FIVE POINT SIX WHICH ARE THE SUBSEQUENT SIGNED STANDARDS IS SEVEN POINT TWO

LAID DOWN THE SEIZURES OR APPLICATION FOR SIGN REMAIN. >> HOW THOSE ARE HANDLED AND THEN SOME ADDITIONAL THAT NEED TO BE UPDATED IN THE CODE . THIS COMES ABOUT AS A RESULT OF THE U.S. SUPREME COURT AND FEDERAL APPELLATE COURTS IN THE 4TH CIRCUIT AROUND THE COUNTRY EXTREME ISSUING SEVERAL DECISIONS IN RECENT YEARS. THEY IMPACT REGULATIONS AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. THE GOVERNOR SIGNS AND THE LAW IN THIS AREA IS BASICALLY DEVELOPING ON AN ONGOING BASIS. THE AMENDMENTS HAVE FOUR BASIC GOALS ONE OR TWO MORE FULLY ARTICULATED A BASIS FOR REGULATING SIGNAGE IN THE COUNTY AND THE LEGISLATIVE RECORD THAT SUPPORTS THOSE KINDS OF REGULATIONS. NUMBER TWO TO MODERNIZE THE STANDARDS AND PROCEDURES FOR REGULATING THE SIZE AND THE NUMBER THREE TO ADOPT SOME NEW DEFINITIONS AND UPDATE SOME OLDER DEFINITIONS THAT APPLY TO SCIENCE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ARTICLE 10 AS WHERE WE HAVE THE DEFINITIONS A NEW DEFINITION RIBAUT COMMERCIAL MESSAGES, DIGITAL DISPLAYS AND SOME THINGS THAT THE COUNTY HAS LONG REGULATED BUT NOT ALWAYS EXPLICITLY DEFINED. AND THEN IN ARTICLE 7 DIVISION 7 2 THERE'S REALLY A TWO STEP PROCESS FIRST TIME IN THE COUNTY. ONE IS REALLY PRELIMINARY APPROVAL AND THEN AFTER THE SIGN IS BUILT. IF IT'S BUILT ACCORDING TO THAT PRELIMINARY APPROVAL THEN THE ACTUAL FINAL APPROVAL OF THE TIME PERMIT.

SO THE PROCEDURES ARE UPDATED IN DIVISION SEVEN POINT TO SPECIFY TIMEFRAMES FOR HOW THESE APPLICATIONS WILL BE HANDLED AND THEN IF SOMEONE HAS A ASSIGNED PERMIT THAT'S DENIED OR REVOKED. IT SPELLS OUT A PROCEDURE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEARLY A PRECEDENT FOR HANDLING APPEALS AND THEN FINALLY AN ARTICLE 5 DIVISION FIVE POINT SIX. THIS SECTION IS EXPANDED TO DETAILS THE COUNTY SIGNIFICANT GOVERNMENTAL INTEREST IN CONTROLLING SIGNAGE INCLUDING REDUCING DRIVER DISTRACTION AND FOSTERING PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC SAFETY AS WELL AS SERVING THE AESTHETIC INTERESTS, THE COMMUNITY AND THE LOW COUNTRY. WE'VE ALSO IDENTIFIED JUDICIAL DECISIONS AND IN A NUMBER OF STUDIES THAT RELATE TO SIGNS IN SUPPORT THESE IMPORTANT GOVERNMENTAL INTERESTS.

MANY SIGNS BASICALLY SHOW THAT SIGN CLUTTER AND ELECTRONICALLY CHANGING COPY ON SIGNS.

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NOW WE DAMAGES DESK HEADACHES OF THE COMMUNITY BUT ALSO INCREASES DRIVER DISTRACTION TO THE SAFETY RISK THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT. SO THOSE STUDIES HAVE PREVIOUSLY BEEN MADE AVAILABLE TO COUNSEL AND TENDERED TO THE COURT.

AND I'M ASKING THAT THEY BE MADE A PART OF THE MINUTES FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING AND THEN WE'VE IDENTIFIED CERTAIN CATEGORIES OF SIGNS THAT ARE EXEMPT FROM THE REGULATION OR PUNDIT REQUIREMENTS AND REINFORCE THE COUNTY'S PROHIBITION ON NUDE COMMERCIAL BILLBOARDS SIGNS AND VISUAL DISPLAYS IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS. AND THEN FINALLY WE'VE ELUCIDATED THE COUNTY'S POLICY THAT WAS INTRIGUED THIS RECORD .

THIS MORE CLEARLY ARTICULATED THE COUNTY'S SUBSTITUTION POLICY.

AND THAT'S WHERE A YOUNG COMMERCIAL MESSAGES MAYBE SUBSTITUTE FOR COMMERCIAL SPEECH WHERE COMMERCIAL SPEECH IS PERMITTED. AND WITH THAT THAT'S THE BASIC SUMMARY OF THE AMENDMENTS AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL TONIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> BEFORE I GO TO COUNCIL, IS THERE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC SINCE THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE ORDINANCE FOR THESE AMENDMENTS? IS THERE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM EITHER IN PERSON IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS OR ONLINE? SEEING NONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANY MEMBER OF COUNCIL THAT NEEDS CLARIFICATION ABOUT THESE TEXT AMENDMENTS? BRIAN ESTIMATES CHAIRMAN HAS TO COMMENT.

I'D LIKE TO THANK MR. BURKE OLD FOR HIS HIS DESCRIPTION OF WHAT'S GOING ON.

I'D LIKE TO CONGRATULATE HIM ALSO FOR BEING THE FIRST PERSON IN 10 YEARS TO USE THE WORD ELUCIDATE CORRECTLY IN THIS PROCEEDING. AND SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH TWICE FOR A FACT AND I DO APPRECIATE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, OK?

WE ARE DULY MOTIONED AND SECONDED. >> IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION SEEING NO DISCUSSION THIS WILL BE APPROVED ON SECOND READING WITHOUT OBJECTIONS.

GERMANS ALWAYS CALL THE ROLL. >> OK MISS HOW WERE YOU MADE THE MOTION YOU WILL GO FIRST

AND VOTE YES AND MR. GLOVER YOU WITH SECOND? >> YES, MR. CUNNINGHAM.

>> YES. MR. DAWSON. YES, MR. LLEWELLYN?

>> YES. MR. HARBHAJAN. NO.

MR. LAWSON. MARK LAWSON? YES.

MR MCGOWAN. YES. MR. RUDMAN.

YES. MR. SOMERVILLE. YES.

CHAIR SAYS YES. MOTION IS APPROVED. TEN YES.

ONE NO. >> ITEM NUMBER 14 IS A SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO MAKE

[14. SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO MAKE APPROPRIATIONS FOR COUNTY GOVERNMENT, SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICTS FOR BEAUFORT COUNTY FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING JULY 1, 2021, AND ENDING JUNE 30, 2022 VOTE AT FIRST READING: MAY 24, 2021 11:0]

APPROPRIATIONS FOR COUNTY GOVERNMENT SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICTS FOR BEAUFORT COUNTY FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING JULY 1, 2010 21 AND ENDING JUNE 30TH 2010 22.

MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? MOVE. MR. CHAIRMAN.

MR. MCCLELLAN MAKES THE MOTION. SECOND, I'M NOT GOING TO MR. DAWSON MAKES THE SECOND

DISCUSSION. >> SEEING NONE. MR. FLOWING DID YOU WANT TO KNOW I WAS GOING TO ASK THAT YOU DO IT WITHOUT OBJECTION. YES.

THIS IS GOING TO BE DONE WITHOUT OBJECTION. I SEE NO OBJECTIONS.

>> THEREFORE ITEM NUMBER FOURTEEN IS APPROVED WITHOUT OBJECTION.

[15. SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO MAKE APPROPRIATES FOR BEAUFORT COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING JULY 1, 2021, AND ENDING JUNE 30, 2022. VOTE AT FIRST READING: MAY 24, 2021 10:1]

ITEM NUMBER 15. SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO MAKE APPROPRIATIONS FOR THE BEAUFORT COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING JULY 1, 2020 1 ENDING JUNE 30TH 2020 TO 2. MAY I HAVE A MOTION MOVES MR. DAWSON MAKES THE MOTION A

SECOND. >> AND MR. GLOVER MAKES THE SECOND DISCUSSION.

>> ANY DISCUSSION I HAVE SINCE I LIKE TO SAY YES, I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS AND I SUPPORT IT. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE. I WOULD LIKE TO RECEIVE SOME INFORMATION BEFORE THE THIRD READING ON WHAT THIS COUNTY IS DOING WITH REGARD TO THE PROGRAM THAT INVOLVES DYSLEXIA. I WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT WHAT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IS THAT'S

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BEEN APPROPRIATED FOR THAT PROGRAM ASSUMING WE HAVE ONE. HOW MANY CHILDREN IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ARE AFFECTED BY THIS AND HOW MANY STAFF POSITIONS WE HAVE IN BEAUFORT COUNTY THAT ARE ADDRESSING THIS? I'D ALSO LIKE TO GET SOME KIND OF AN IDEA WHAT THE PROGRAM INVOLVES. I DON'T WANT TO HAVE IT DELIVERED AT THE THIRD READING.

I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT DELIVERED BEFORE THE THIRD READING SO THAT I AM COMFORTABLE THAT THERE ARE SUFFICIENT RESOURCES BEING DELIVERED TO THIS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT PROGRAM DEALING WITH DYSLEXIA. I THINK THAT IT'S A PROBLEM IF THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE SIXTH OR SEVENTH GRADE THAT MAY STILL BE READING AT THE SECOND OR THIRD GRADE LEVEL AND I'D LIKE TO FIND OUT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE FOR THE PARENTS AND FOR THE CHILDREN WHO HAVE THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. IF YOU COULD GET THAT TO ME IN

I WOULD BE GREAT. I SUPPORT THE BUDGET. >> I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THAT REGARD. OK. IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENT FROM COUNCIL? YES, MR. ROBIN AND THEN MR. FLOWING.

SARAH, IF YOU COULD PUT MY ONE SLIDE UP I SEE THAT TANYA'S HERE AND SHE HAS SET UP SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WHICH WAS VERY HELPFUL AND VERY ACCURATE AS SHE ALWAYS DOES.

I WILL BE VERY BRIEF. I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY MOTION.

I THINK AS I LOOK AT THE SCHOOL BOARD BUDGET, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES SENSE TO ME AND THE PART OF THE REASON IS WE KNOW THAT A LOT OF KIDS WITH THIS CULVERT PIECE HAVE BEEN KIND LEFT BEHIND AND THEN WE'RE IN A BIG CATCH TYPE OF THING. SO I THINK I JUST TRUST THE JUDGMENT STAFF AND THE SCHOOL BOARD AS TO AS TO WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH A TAX INCREASE AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU'VE GOT ON THE SCREEN IN FRONT OF YOU. THE FIRST BOX ON THE LEFT IS FISCAL 21 WHICH WE'RE JUST FINISHING AND THE NEXT YEAR WHICH IS PROPOSED AND THEN I SAID TO MYSELF WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A TAX INCREASE? AND ESSENTIALLY THERE'S JUST KIND OF TWO MOVING PIECES TO THIS. ONE IS HOW MUCH DOES THE MILL VALUE GO UP? AND I KNOW THE. THEY'VE ASSUMED A 1 POINT TO 3 PERCENT INCREASE FOR JUST ILLUSTRATION PURPOSES. LET'S ASSUME THAT THAT WAS DOUBLE. AND YOU KNOW, I DO THINK WITH ALL OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION PEOPLE MOVING HERE AND SO ON THAT THAT NUMBER MAY MAY GO UP. SECONDLY, IT HAS TO DO WITH THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WOULD BE IN THE RESERVE, IF YOU WILL. AND BACK IN MY TIME WHEN AROUND I WAS ON THE SCHOOL BOARD MANY YEARS AGO. YOU KNOW WE HAVE LIKE A 7 PERCENT POLICY I THINK WE MAY ADD 10 OR 12 MILLION YOU KNOW, IN THE RESERVE TODAY WAS PROPOSED IS THAT WE WOULD HAVE 40 6 MILLION AND WOULD BE A SIXTEEN POINT THREE PERCENT NEXT YEAR. SO IN MY MIND WE COULD CONCEIVABLY SAY TO OURSELVES DO WE REALLY NEED THAT MUCH MONEY AND COULD WE LIVE WITH A LITTLE BIT SMALLER RESERVE? IN FACT, IF YOU SCROLL THAT UP A LITTLE BIT I I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CURRENTLY THE POLICY IS TO HAVE A 15 TO 17 PERCENT RESERVE. I THINK TWO YEARS AGO WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT BREAKING THE 388 CAP I THINK WE WERE DEALING WITH 12 TO 15 SO.

AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE IT HITS INTO THIS YOUNG LADY'S PLEA TO US PART OF THIS TAX INCREASE FLOWS TO THE PEOPLE THAT CAN LEAST AFFORD BECAUSE THIS FLOWS TO THE RENTERS AND SO ON.

SO I'M JUST GOING TO LEAVE IT AT THAT. BUT I WOULD WANT TO VOTE FOR THE BUDGET, OF COURSE. BUT I WOULD ASK THE SCHOOL BOARD TO MAYBE TAKE ONE MORE LOOK ABOUT WHETHER THEY REALLY, REALLY NEED TO HAVE THAT LEVEL OF A OF A TAX INCREASE WHEN IT HITS A LOT OF PEOPLE. WELL, ALSO SAY KNOW THE REASON FOR A FUND BALANCE IN A RESERVE IS YOU KNOW, FOR A RAINY DAY AND I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT WE NEED THAT LEVEL OF MONEY IN THE IN THE FUND BALANCE WE WENT THROUGH. MATTHEW, I DON'T THINK WE DIPPED VERY MUCH INTO THE FUND BALANCE SO I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT AT THAT.

JUST SOMETHING THAT PERHAPS THE SCHOOL BOARD MIGHT TAKE A LOOK AT AND SEE WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD LIVE WITH A LITTLE BIT LESS IN THE RESERVE. BUT BEYOND THAT EXCELLENT JOB ALWAYS TANYA MR. FALLING YOUR NEXT OF YOUR OWN YOU STILL I ALSO THANK MISS GRASSLEY FOR

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HER WORK SO FAR BUT I THINK WE NEED TO CORRECT MY EMAIL ADDRESS.

TONYA, IF YOU WOULD IT BRIAN D.C. GOT GOD LIKES YOU. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE FUND BALANCE AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME WHEN WE'RE ASKING FOR AN INCREASE LIKE THIS. I THINK THAT THIS IS NOT THE TIME.

I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE VALUE OF THE MIDDLE IS GOING TO RISE SUBSTANTIALLY VERY, VERY SOON.

AND WHEN WE GO TO CALCULATE THE MIL VALUE WE'LL BE PLEASANTLY SURPRISED BY THAT AND MAY VERY WELL FIND THAT US THAT A TAXING INCREASE OR A MIDDLE RATE WON'T BE A MIDDLE RATE INCREASE WON'T BE NECESSARY AT ALL. AND I'M WILLING TO GO AND VOTE NO ON THIS THIS TIME.

I THINK THAT THAT THIS TAX INCREASE HITS EXACTLY THE PEOPLE WHO CAN LEAST AFFORD IT.

I'VE BEEN SAYING IT FOR YEARS. I THINK THAT THIS THIS BUDGET IS UNSUSTAINABLE IN THIS KIND OF COMMUNITY WITH SO MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE AT OR BELOW THE FEDERAL POVERTY GUIDELINES.

SO MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE STUDENTS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR FREE AND REDUCED LUNCHES.

I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE CHALLENGES. I UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY IS FACING A CHALLENGE. I THINK THAT WE'RE NOT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF APPROPRIATE RELIEF EFFORTS FROM THE FEDERAL AND STATE GOVERNMENT. I THINK WE NEED TO REACH OUT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE USING THOSE VALUE DOLLARS THAT ARE AVAILABLE CORRECTLY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF EVERY OPPORTUNITY THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE TO US. SO I INTEND TO VOTE NO, SIR.

ANY OTHERS CUTTING HIM? I FIND MYSELF IN AN INTERESTING SPOT.

I WAS A FORMER TEACHER HERE BEFORE COUNTY AND I WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT VOTED NO LAST TIME ON THE BUDGET WHICH STRUCK ME AS KIND OF SURPRISING BECAUSE I'M PROBABLY YOUR BIGGEST ADVOCATE FOR COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR OUR STUDENTS AND OUR TEACHERS.

I ADDRESS THEIR TWO INDIVIDUALS IN THE ROOM LAST TIME TONYA AND DR. RODRIGUEZ AND I ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH DR. RODRIGUEZ AFTERWARDS AND APOLOGIZE FOR MY TONE FOR SOME OF THE COMMENTS.

A LOT OF THAT CAME FROM FRUSTRATION. BUT I WILL SAY I DON'T REGRET THE WORDS SAID BUT THE WAY THEY WERE SAID AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS IT DEFINITELY OPENED UP DIALOG SINCE THAT HAPPENED I'VE HAD FULL FOUR SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS REACH OUT TO ME ASKING WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? THAT OPENS UP THE DIALOG. I'VE HAD MULTIPLE PARENTS REACH OUT TO ME SAYING THAT THIS IS TRUE. I'VE HAD MULTIPLE TEACHERS THAT HAVE LESS LEFT TELLING ME THANK YOUR TEACHERS THAT ARE IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS SAYING THAT YES, THIS IS A REAL PROBLEM. SO THANK YOU FOR ACTUALLY SAYING IT.

SO I'M IN A SITUATION NOW THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO SCHEDULE A MEETING BETWEEN MYSELF AND THE SCHOOL BOARD FOR LOGISTICS AND DISAGREEMENTS ON THE WAY IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE.

SO I'M HERE TODAY TO ACTUALLY FOR ALL SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS AND DR. BRAD REGAS AND EVERYBODY HERE IN COUNTY COUNCIL I'M GETTING WITH SARAH THIS WEEK TO PUT TOGETHER SOME DATES TO SET UP A ZOOM MEETING WITH ALL OF US. I DON'T WANT THIS PRIVATE I WANT THIS PUBLIC AND TRANSPARENT TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT THERE'S TWO THINGS I REALLY WANT TO FOCUS ON. I MEAN PEOPLE CAN HAMMER YOU GUYS IN THE BUDGET ALL DAY. I COULD DO THAT. I'VE BEEN IN SUPPORT OF THE TEACHER RAISE THIS TEACHER STIPEND. I'VE SEEN TEACHERS MOVE MOUNTAINS WITH NOTHING IN THEIR CLASSROOMS AND I'VE SEEN TEACHERS WASTE THINGS INSIDE THEIR CLASSROOM. IT'S BOTH BUT THEY DO DESERVE TO BE COMPENSATED BETTER.

I SUPPORT YOU ON THAT ASPECT. THE TWO PROBLEMS WITH THE BUDGET THAT I HAVE IS NOWHERE IN THERE DOES IT DESIGNATE HOW ARE WE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL STUDENTS RECEIVE RECEIVE THOSE SERVICES NOT JUST THE BOTTOM OF THE TOTEM POLE? IT IS A REAL FACT THAT KIDS IN FIFTH GRADE AND THE SECOND AND THIRD GRADE READING LEVEL DO NOT GET SERVICES FOR HELP FOR READING BECAUSE ENOUGH KIDS TEST BELOW THEM IN FIRST AND KINDERGARTEN.

THAT'S NOT THOSE KIDS FAULT. WE NEED TO FIND THE FUNDING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS WHETHER IT IS HIRE MORE STAFFED TO OPEN UP MORE READING CLASSES OR MATH INTERVENTION CLASSES.

I'LL SUPPORT YOU IF YOU ONLY GET MONEY FOR THAT TO HELP THOSE KIDS.

THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO BE FOCUSING ON. THAT'S ONE OF MY ISSUES.

THE OTHER THING I WANT TO TALK TO THE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS ON IS WE TALK ABOUT TAKING CARE OF OUR TEACHERS. YOU HAVE YOUR AS CFA READ MOVEMENT WHICH SOME THINGS I AGREE ON SOME THINGS I DON'T. BUT THE ONE THING I CAN TELL YOU THAT THEY'VE GOTTEN RIGHT IS TEACHERS TIMES TIME AND TIME AGAIN THEY'RE PLANNING PERIODS ARE TAKING AWAY THEIR LUNCH PERIODS TAKEN AWAY. THEY ARE SCHEDULED FOR MEETINGS AFTER SCHOOL EVEN THEIR CONTRACT CLEARLY STATES WHAT TIME THEY'RE THERE MEETINGS AND MULTIPLE SCHOOLS GIVE OUT MEETINGS THE DAY OF EVEN SOMETIMES AN HOUR OR TWO BEFORE SCHOOL ENDS.

I'LL SEND THE EMAIL OUT AND SAYING THERE'S A STAFF MEETING. IF THE BUDGET IS NEEDED OR THE FUNDING IS NEEDED TO GET MORE PEOPLE INSIDE THESE SCHOOLS TO MAKE THAT COVERAGE, THAT'S WHAT

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WE NEED TO BE DOING. IT'S NOT FAIR FOR A TEACHER THAT HAS NINE KIDS IN THEIR CLASSROOM WITH AN IEP OR FIVE ALL FOUR TO MISS THEIR PLANNING.

WEEK AFTER WEEK AFTER WEEK BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THE MEETINGS ARE WHERE THEY HAVE TO COME TO SCHOOL AN HOUR EARLY BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THE MEETINGS ARE.

WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THESE RESOURCES. I'M ALL FOR TRAINING OUR TEACHERS. BUT NINE TIMES OUT OF 10 THAT TRAINING HAPPENS DURING THEIR PLANNING TIME. IF WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO GET THE COVERAGE FOR THE ACTUAL TEACHING TIME. SO YOUR TEACHER'S TIME IS STILL PROTECTED.

I'M ON BOARD FOR IT IF WE WANT TO MAKE A COMMITTEE. I WILL HELP YOU DO IT WHATEVER WAY MY LINE OF COMMUNICATION IS OPEN. I JUST THINK THROWING MONEY AT A SITUATION JUST LIKE I SAID WITH M.S. IS NOT GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

UNFORTUNATELY WE DO HAVE A DECIDED FACTION OF OUR STAFF ON OUR COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT.

I WISH THAT WASN'T THE CASE. BUT AGAIN, LIKE I SAID ABOUT THE DEVICE YOU VARY UNLESS WE ADMIT THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM WE CAN'T FIX IT. AND I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT YOU KNOW A LOT PEOPLE ARE SHOCKED AT WHAT I SAID LAST MEETING BUT TWO OF THOSE FOUR SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS I SPOKE TO AGREED WITH ME AND SAID I WAS RIGHT THAT THERE IS A PROBLEM.

THEY'RE ADDRESSING IT. AND I ASKED BOTH OF THEM. I SAID WHY HAVEN'T YOU BEEN PUBLIC? THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT YOU NEED TO ADDRESS AND NOBODY HAS BEEN ABLE TO GIVE ME AN ANSWER. I HOPE WE CONTINUE THE DIALOG. I WILL EVEN SUPPORT YOU TODAY ON YOUR BUDGET. WHAT THE GOOD HOPE THAT YOUR SCHOOL BOARD AND THE REST OF COUNTY COUNCIL WILL TAKE UP MY OFFER TO HAVE AN OPEN FORUM. LET'S TALK ABOUT THESE PROBLEMS AND COME UP WITH RESOLUTIONS FOR. I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU GUYS DO. AGAIN I DIDN'T GET TO FORMALLY TALK TO YOU TONYA BUT I DO APOLOGIZE FOR MY TONE OF VOICE LAST TIME. I SHOULD HAVE INSTRUCTED THAT DIFFERENTLY JUST LIKE I TOLD DR. RODRIGUEZ. SO I DO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

I DO APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TODAY AND I HOPE THAT YOU TAKING UP MY OFFER TO ME AND SEE IF WE CAN FIX THESE OTHER ISSUES. MR. LAWSON, I PROMISE BE QUICK.

>> THANK YOU. IT WAS IN 2012 THAT I FIRST LEARNED THAT NONE OF MY TAXES PAID. MY DAUGHTER JUST GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL, MY SECOND DAUGHTER. NONE OF MY TAXES I PAID ACTUALLY WENT TO PAY FOR THE SCHOOLS. THE SCHOOLS ARE PAID FOR BY COMMERCIAL BUSINESS TAXES.

>> SO THAT MEANS ALL OF OUR APARTMENT BUILDINGS THEY ARE. THAT'S COMMERCIAL.

>> IF YOU OWN A SECOND HOME OR IF YOU OWN A RENTAL HOME THAT'S CONSIDERED 6 PERCENT.

YOU PAY TAXES THERE. ALL BUSINESSES PAY. SO ALL THE MONEY THAT'S PAYING FOR OUR SCHOOLS IS COMING FROM OUR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND I'VE GOT FOUR KIDS AND NONE

OF MY TAXES ON MY PERSONAL HOME EVER GONE TO TO PAY FOR SCHOOL. >> SO SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS HOW IT'S OPERATING IT'S ALL DONE BECAUSE OF NOW I KNOW PAC 388 WHICH AGAIN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE THE STATE GOVERNMENT HAS PUT IN PLACE.

>> I HATE TO SEE TAXES GO UP. I HATE TO SEE THOSE FOLKS HAVE TO PAY MORE.

THEY SEEM TO BE THE BRUNT EVERY YEAR OF OUR OUR TAXES GOING UP. >> HOWEVER, I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN IN FULL SUPPORT OF THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. I REALLY, REALLY LIKE DR.

RODRIGUEZ. I WANT TO GIVE HIM EVERY OPPORTUNITY FOR HIM TO TAKE WHAT HE KNOWS AND DOES BEST. AND AGAIN, KNOWING THAT THIS IS SOMETHING IS A STEP WE GO FORWARD THAT IS GOING TO HELP NOT ONLY THE MIDDLE CLASS BUT ALSO THE KIDS THAT ARE

DISADVANTAGED OR ANYBODY IN OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM. >> SO AGAIN, I HATE THE FACT TAXES WILL HAVE TO GO UP ON THIS AND FOR US GUYS COUNTY COUNCIL WE GET NO SAY IN THE BUDGET. ALL WE CAN DO IS IS PROVE IT, NOT APPROVE IT.

I THINK THE CORRECT WORD IS CERTIFY IT OR NOT CERTIFY IT. WE'RE NOT HERE TO FALL APART AND TO ASK THEM TO CHANGE ANYTHING. SO I AM HERE TO SAY THAT THAT I

WOULD CERTIFY THEIR BUDGET AS THEY HAVE SAID. >> OK.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS, MR. VISION? AND THEN MR. SOMERVILLE, A QUESTION A COMMENT.

THE QUESTION IS DID THE SCHOOL BOARD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW A LINE ITEM BUDGET?

>> GOOD TO BE HERE WITH YOU. >> YES, SIR, WE HAVE. WE WERE PROVIDED OUR BOARD WAS PROVIDED WITH THE DETAILS OF EVERY PROGRAM AND DESCRIPTION OF ANY INCREASES

AND DECREASES IN EVERY PROGRAM. >> YES, SIR. THE LINE IN A BUDGET MEETING

EVERY EXPENSE LINE. >> WELL, THAT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE A FEW REAMS OF PAPER SO THERE WAS NOT A DETAILED LINE ITEM OF EVERY SINGLE LINE. THERE ARE ABOUT FIFTY THOUSAND LINES OF OUR BUDGET. AND SO WE SUMMARIZE THEM IN IN CATEGORIES THAT ARE SIMILAR TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION KINDERGARTEN PRIMARY SECONDARY.

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SUPERINTENDENTS OFFICE FOR FISCAL SERVICES THAT SORT OF THING.

SO MIGHT COME IN. WHICH KIND OF WAS FROM ALSO THE SAME.

I THINK THAT COUNCIL SERVES AN IMPORTANT ROLE IN THIS PROCESS BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY THE ONLY BODY THAT CAN LOOK AT THE TOTALITY OF WHAT OUR RESIDENTS, WHAT OUR BUSINESSES, WHAT OUR

VISITORS PAY IN TAX. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. >> RELATIVE TO THE BUDGET.

THE QUESTION I ASKED LAST TIME YOUR ERROR WAS WHAT IS THE SPEND PER PUPIL? AND THE NUMBERS 4500. SO I DID SOME GOOGLING BECAUSE I THINK ABOUT THIS IN THE CONTEXT OF OTHER AREAS OF THE COUNTRY AND WHAT IT MEANS FOR THEM.

SO IF I GOOGLE WHERE IS THAT RANK FROM A STATE BASIS THAT WOULD PUT US TWENTY FIRST IN THE NATION WHICH IS CALIFORNIA BASED WHAT I FOUND THERE AT TWELVE THOUSAND 498.

SAME THING. RIGHT NOW IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THEY PAY THEIR TEACHERS ON AVERAGE IS EIGHTY THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR AND WE'RE HALF ISH OF THAT.

YES WE'RE AT 50 APPROXIMATE AN AVERAGE OF FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS.

>> RIGHT. >> SO THE QUESTION THAT I COME TO IS WHERE DOES THE MONEY GO? AND WITHIN THAT CONTEXT SO THE QUESTIONS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ADDRESSED BECAUSE THIS IS A BIG ASK FROM US OR FROM THE PEOPLE OF UTAH COUNTY THIS BUDGET AND WE GET A CHARTER TO PROVIDE US WITH A DETAILED OVERVIEW OF HOW OUR TEACHERS ARE PAID.

I REALIZE WE CAN'T JUST GO THROW MONEY AT THEM NILLY BECAUSE WE HAVE RESTRICTIONS AROUND THE NUMBER ONE AND THE NUMBER TWO. COUNCILMAN CUNNINGHAM'S POINT FROM LAST TIME WHAT ARE WE DOING TO ADDRESS THE MORALE OF STAFF AND THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE HAVING THERE? SO GETTING SOME CONTEXT AROUND THAT I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL.

HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THAT DONE THIS WEEK WITH THE SESSION THAT CUNNINGHAM IS SUGGESTING.

I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS BUDGET TONIGHT BUT I'M GOING TO RESERVE JUDGMENT BECAUSE I DO THINK IT IS A BIG ASK AND I WOULD JUST LIKE SOME CLARITY AROUND WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING AND WHY WE STILL HAVE THESE THESE GAPS, THESE ACHIEVEMENT GAPS WHEN IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY FLOWING BUT MAYBE WE'RE NOT GETTING THE RESULTS THAT WE WANT.

I MAY RESPOND TO THAT. SO REGARDING THE PER PUPIL EXPENDITURE I TOO GOOGLED DID SOME EXTENSIVE GOOGLE SEARCHES . I HAVE A COLLEAGUE THAT DID IT AS WELL WITHOUT ME KNOWING BUT COMPARED NOTES AND WE WERE WE WERE UNABLE TO FIND PER PUPIL EXPENDITURES FOR THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA. ANYTHING CURRENT WITHIN THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS. AND ALSO IF A NATIONWIDE LEVEL SO I'D BE INTERESTED FIND WHERE THAT WEB SITE IS AND EDUCATION DATA DOWNWARD YOU I MEAN I DON'T GET IT.

>> LIKE I SAID I JUST GOOGLE. YEAH. YEAH, ME TOO.

SO AND IT'S INTERESTING I WOULD WANT TO DRILL DOWN AND AND SEE WHAT KIND OF CONTEXT THAT PER PUPIL EXPENDITURE WAS IN AND SEE IF THERE IF WE'RE COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES AND THAT THE NUMBER I GAVE YOU WAS GENERAL FUND SO ONLY. AND SO SOMETIMES THERE COULD BE OTHER WE COULD BE COMPARING TWO DIFFERENT THINGS SO I JUST WOULD LIKE TO I'LL DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE AS FAR AS DETAILS OF THE BUDGET REGARDING MORALE AND INTERVENTIONIST PLANNING PERIODS AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS THOSE ARE ALL MANY OF THOSE THINGS ARE PART OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAVE IN DETAIL WITH OUR BOARD AS WE'RE BUILDING OUR BUDGET AND SO OVER A PERIOD OF MEETINGS IN MARCH, APRIL, MAY AND JUNE WE ARE PROVIDING DETAILS THERE ARE INTERVENTIONISTS IN THE BUDGET THAT WERE LISTED IN LINE ITEM IN THE DOCUMENTATION SOME OF THE HANDOUTS THAT WERE GIVEN TO THE BOARD AND THEN A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION. SO THERE ARE A SERIES OF POSITIONS THAT ARE DESIGNATED THAT WERE 15 ACTUALLY AND SO THEY WERE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATED FOR INTERVENTION OR CLASS SIZE REDUCTION DEPENDING ON THE SIDE

OF THE SCHOOL AND WHETHER THEY HAD SPACE IN THE CLASSROOM. >> SO THERE ARE THOSE DETAILS IN THE BUDGET AND WE CAN DEFINITELY SHARE THOSE WITH YOU ALL IN I BELIEVE SOME OF THE HANDOUTS THAT WE'VE PROVIDED LAST TIME ALSO HAD SOME DETAILS OF THOSE POSITIONS AS WELL.

I DON'T HAVE ANY DETAILS ABOUT PLANNING PERIODS BUT WE WOULD DEFINITELY OPEN A DIALOG OF SOME OF THOSE DETAILS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED ALREADY WITH BOARD AND MORALE AND MANY OF THE ISSUES OF FOR MORALE. WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED HIM OUR HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT HAS DONE AN AMAZING JOB OF IMPLEMENTING SOME SYSTEMS THAT WILL IMPROVE MORALE AND AS WELL AS LEADERSHIP IN THE DISTRICT AND MENTAL HEALTH BOTH STUDENTS AND STAFF BECAUSE AS

WE ALL KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A TRYING TIME FOR EVERYONE. >> I HAVE A DAUGHTER IN IT WHO'S A FRESHMAN IN HIGH SCHOOL. AND SO I CAN SEE IN OUR SOUP

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SCHOOL SYSTEM AND I CAN SEE FIRSTHAND WHEN I COME HOME AT NIGHT ALL THE STRESSES THAT HAVE BEEN OFF TO SO. BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO DIALOG AND ANY OTHER WILL GATHER THIS INFORMATION AND AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN AND GET THAT BACK TO YOU ALL IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING SO THAT YOU HAVE THOSE DETAILS TO REVIEW BEFORE LOOKING FOR THIRD, THIRD AND

FINAL READING. >> AND ONE LAST NOTE DR. RODRIGUEZ AND OTHER BOARD MEMBERS ARE AT GRADUATION TONIGHT SO THEY COULDN'T BE HERE WITH US.

BUT THIS DR. MARY STRATUS, CHIEF INSTRUCTIONAL SERVICES OFFICER AND SHE IS MY BODYGUARD

TONIGHT. >> SHE HAS ALL THOSE DETAILS THAT SHE REQUESTED.

>> MR. SOMMERVILLE, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT YOU WANTED TO MAKE YOU'RE ON MUTE.

>> YOU'RE STILL ON MUTE RIGHT AGAIN. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I THINK THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO REMIND OUR TAXPAYERS OF THE FACT THAT BECAUSE OF BAC 388 ALL THE MONEY THAT THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT NEEDS THIS YEAR, THE ADDITIONAL MONEY AND I THINK MR. LAWSON CERTAINLY MENTIONED IT IS GOING TO BE ON THE BACKS OF SECOND HOMEOWNERS, RENTERS AND BUSINESSES AND SO MANY OF THE SECOND HOMEOWNERS OVER THE OVER THE YEARS HAVE BEEN MIGRATING FROM SIX TO FOUR BY FIGURING OUT THAT THEY'RE THE TAXES ON THEIR HOUSE AND CONNECTICUT ARE ACTUALLY LESS THAN ARE THE TAXES ON THEIR SECOND HOME IN BEAUFORT. SO THEY BECOME PRIMARY HOMEOWNERS BEAUFORT.

AND SECOND SECOND HOMEOWNERS IN CONNECTICUT OR WHEREVER THEY LIVE.

THIS IS KIND OF A LAST MAN STANDING SITUATION. THE AMOUNT OF THE SCHOOL BUDGET THAT COMES FROM LAW AND TAXES ISN'T ONE IS ABOUT EQUAL TO THE ENTIRE COUNTY COUNCIL BUDGET.

THE I'M SORRY THE ENTIRE COUNTY BUDGET. SO ALL OF THIS ON THE BACK OF RENTERS AGAIN AND BUSINESS OWNERS AND SECOND HOMEOWNERS. SO THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY IS FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO LIVE IN AN APARTMENT IF YOU'RE A RENTER, IF YOU OWN A BUSINESS OR OR IF YOU OWN A SECOND HOME, THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO CALL YOUR EARS LEGISLATORS AND REMIND THEM THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE ABOUT ACT 388 .

WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR DECADES FOR OVER A DECADE. NOTHING HAPPENS.

I KNOW LEGISLATORS ARE AFRAID OF IT BUT I HAVE HAD MANY PEOPLE PRIMARY HOMEOWNERS WHO'VE COME TO ME AND SAID, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY NOT FAIR. I HAVE KIDS IN THE SCHOOL EVEN IF I DON'T HAVE KIDS IN THE SCHOOL I DON'T PAY ANY SCHOOL OPERATIONS TAX.

I ONLY PAY SCHOOL DEBT GET TAX. SO THERE'S JUST THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO SAY YES, THE SCHOOL NEEDS A LOT OF ADDITIONAL MONEY. YES, IT'S GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO RAISE TAXES BUT IT'S GOING TO LAND ON THE BACKS OF THE PEOPLE THAT REALLY NEED SOME HELP HERE. AND THAT'S ONLY GOING TO COME FROM THE LEGISLATURE.

THANK YOU. OK. ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE CALL THE QUESTION? JUST ONE QUESTION. YOU SAID YOU IN THE BUDGET THERE WAS FUNDING FOR 15 MORE INDEPENDENT INTERVENTIONIST. YES.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE? ARE THEY BROKEN DOWN OR SPECIFIED WHERE THEY WOULD GO?

THE LOCATIONS ARE NOT HAVE NOT BEEN IDENTIFIED AT THIS TIME. >> WE'RE WORKING ON THAT.

OK. >> IS THERE ANYTHING WE COULD GET BEFORE THE THIRD READING TO SEE IF WE NEED ADDITIONAL FUNDING MORE FOR OTHER SCHOOLS? WELL, I'M WHAT I'M SAYING AS CRAZY AS THIS THAT IF IT WERE THE WRITING AVAILABLE FOR ADDITIONAL POSITIONS WE ARE

ADDING IN THE FOR TWO FUNDS. >> WE HAVE ALSO DESIGNATED ADDITIONAL POSITIONS FOR INTERVENTION AS WELL IN OUR HIGHEST NEED SCHOOLS. THOSE ARE DESIGNATED FORCE I BELIEVE IT WAS ELEVEN ADDITIONAL POSITIONS IN S OR TWO FUNDS.

THANK YOU. GOOD TIME FOR US TO VOTE. MR. DAWSON YOU MADE THE MOTION

YOU WILL GO FIRST. >> YES, MR. GLOVER. >> YES.

MR. CUNNINGHAM. YES, MR. FALWELL AND MR. HERB SEAN.

YES, MISS HOWARD. YES. MR. LAWSON.

MARK LAWSON. YES. MR. MCGOWAN.

YES. MR. RUDMAN. YES.

MR. SUMMERVILLE? YES. AND THE CHAIR SAYS YES.

AND THAT MOTION IS APPROVED. TEN YES. ONE NO.

[16. SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION OF A QUITCLAIM DEED AND WAIVER OF REVERTER FOR REAL PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1508 OLD SHELL ROAD WITH TMS NO. R110 011 000 105A 0000]

>> WE ARE AT ITEM NUMBER 16 WHICH IS THE SECOND READING OF THE NORTH IS AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION OF A QUICK CLAIM DEED AND WAIVER OF REVERSE ORDER FOR REAL PROPERTY LOCATED 15 0 8 0 SHOW ROAD. MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? MOVE.

MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. FLOWING MAY HAVE A SECOND PLEASE. >> SECOND, MR. MCKELLEN.

ANY DISCUSSION LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT ALL THE CONDUCT IN THAT COUNTY COUNCIL HAS RAISED

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ALL THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE RAISED THROUGHOUT THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF THIS PARTICULAR MATTER HAVE NOW BEEN ADDRESSED AND WE I THINK WE SHOULD ALL BE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT

OBJECTION. >> YES. IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS THIS WILL BE APPROVED WITHOUT OBJECTION. I SEE NO OBJECTION.

[17. FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE PROPOSING AMENDMENTS TO BEAUFORT COUNTY CODE OF ORDINANCES: CHAPTER 46, ARTICLE II, SECTIONS 46.26 THROUGH 46.33]

THEREFORE ITEM NUMBER SIXTEEN IS APPROVED. ITEM NUMBER 17 IS A FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE PROPOSING AMENDMENTS TO THE BEAUFORT COUNTY CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 46 ARTICLE 2 SECTIONS 46 POINT TWENTY SIX THROUGH FORTY SIX POINT THIRTY THREE. MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? MAKE A MOTION.

MS. HOWARD MAKES THE MOTION. MAY I HAVE A SECOND SECTION?

MR MCGOWAN MAKES THE SECOND OK. >> AS I SAID BEFORE, THIS IS A PARTICULAR ITEM THAT WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DISCUSSION BY MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE. WE THE COUNTY COUNCIL ARE FIRST GOING TO DISCUSS THIS AND AFTER THAT WE WILL ASK FOR MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE TO GIVE US SOME INPUT BASED UPON THAT INPUT. WE WILL THEN HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION AND THEN WE WILL

VOTE ON THIS. OKAY. >> WE WE'D LIKE TO GO FIRST.

MR. SOMERVILLE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. NO DISCUSSION OF THIS OBVIOUSLY INVOLVES PEOPLE MEMORIAL HOSPITAL, NO DISCUSSION. BEAUFORT MEMORIAL HOSPITAL SHOULD BEGIN WITHOUT THINKING AND CONGRATULATING THEM FOR THE WONDERFUL JOB THEY'VE DONE FOR A LONG TIME AND PARTICULARLY DURING THE LAST YEAR WITH THE WITH THE COVERED PROBLEM AND THE THE WAY THEY'VE PROTECTED AND TAKEN CARE OF THE HEALTH OF OUR CITIZENS.

THIS IS UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF THEIR BOARD, THEIR CEO RUSSELL BAXLEY AND THEIR EXECUTIVE TEAM AND THEIR STAFF HAVE DONE A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL JOB AND THEY DESERVE TO BE CONGRATULATED FOR THAT. WHAT THIS INVOLVES THIS ORDINANCE CHANGE INVOLVES IS THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN BEAUFORT COUNTY AND THE HOSPITAL, THE PARTICULARLY WE NEED TO DEFINE THE RESPONSIBILITIES AND AUTHORITIES THAT THE MEMORIAL HOSPITAL BOARD HAS TO THE COUNTY AND THE RESPONSIBLE AUTHORITIES THAT BEAUFORT COUNTY COUNCIL HAS TO THE MEMORIAL HOSPITAL. AND THERE HAVE BEEN SOME DIFFERENCES OF OPINION AND THE ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE THAT COVERS THIS.

WE DO HAVE AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE WHICH I BELIEVE WAS PASSED IN THE EARLY 1980S.

SO SAY IT'S MAYBE 40 YEARS OLD, IT'S ANTIQUATED. IT JUST LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER ORDINANCES THAT WE HAVE TO DEFINE OUR RELATIONSHIP THAT WE HAVE IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AND IT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED. SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IN AN EFFORT TO ACCOMPLISH THAT IS WE.

THERE'S NOBODY ON THIS COUNCIL WHO'S AN EXPERT ON WHAT THAT RELATIONSHIP SHOULD LOOK LIKE.

AND SO WE HIRED WHAT WE BELIEVED TO BE AN EXPERT AND THAT'S AN ATTORNEY WHO HAS RELATIONSHIPS WITH OTHER HOSPITALS, OTHER COUNTY COUNCILS AND UNDERSTANDS THE RELATIONSHIP THAT THE NATURE OF THE RELATIONSHIP AND THE WAY THOSE RELATIONSHIPS SHOULD EXIST BETWEEN ELECTED BODIES SUCH AS OURSELVES AND HOSPITAL ,PARTICULARLY COUNTY HOSPITALS OR MUNICIPAL HOSPITALS IN THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA. AND SHE HAS BROUGHT TO US AND THIS IS WHAT IS BEFORE US TONIGHT IS A DRAFT AND I EMPHASIZE THE WORD DRAFT ORDINANCE WHICH BEGINS TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES IN 2021 TERMS OF WHAT THE RELATIONSHIP SHOULD LOOK LIKE BETWEEN THE HOSPITAL AND THE COUNTY COUNCIL .

THIS IS FIRST READING WE WILL HAVE THE SECOND READING AND A THIRD READING OBVIOUSLY TO BE COMMENTS MADE TONIGHT. I'M SURE THERE'LL BE COMMENTS MADE IT SECOND MEETING READING OR PRIOR TO SECOND READING PART OF THIRD READING. BUT THIS IS A DRAFT AND I FULLY EXPECT THAT THE THE BOARD OF BEAUFORT MEMORIAL HOSPITAL OR ITS ATTORNEYS WILL WILL HAVE SOME COUNTERPROPOSALS TO MAKE TO US ON SOME THINGS THAT THEY THINK THAT THEY THINK SHOULD BE ADDRESSED DIFFERENTLY. AND WE WELCOME THOSE LOOK FORWARD TO THAT.

THERE IS A LAWSUIT PENDING AND OBVIOUSLY IN THE FINAL ANALYSIS IT COULD BE RESOLVED IN FRONT OF A JUDGE. HOPEFULLY THAT WON'T BE NECESSARY.

HOPEFULLY THAT ONCE THE THE HOSPITAL BOARD AND THE HOSPITAL'S ATTORNEYS HAVE TAKEN A LOOK AT OUR PROPOSALS AND PUT PEN TO PENCIL AND COME BACK AND SAY WHAT HOW WE MIGHT TWEAK THIS WHAT WE MIGHT DO TO MAKE IT A MORE WORKABLE AND USER FRIENDLY ORDINANCE.

BUT IN ANY EVENT OR ORDINANCE IS ANTIQUATED. THERE'S SOME THINGS IN THERE

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THAT ARE DONE IN 19 IN THE EARLY 1980S THAT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TODAY THAT NEED TO BE CORRECTED AND THIS IS NOT JUST TRUE OF THE BUBER MEMORIAL HOSPITAL.

IT'S ALSO TRUE OF 20 SOME OTHER ORDINANCES THAT WE HAVE RESPECTING THE OTHER AGENCIES BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT WE HAVE RESPONSIBILITIES TO. SO I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS AT A FIRST READING BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO THE COMMENTS THAT THE REPRESENTATIVES HOSPITAL MAKE TONIGHT AND I CERTAINLY LOOK FORWARD TO SUGGESTIONS THAT COME FORWARD FROM THE HOSPITAL BOARD AND ITS LEADERSHIP AND ITS ATTORNEYS BETWEEN NOW AND SECOND READING

. THANK YOU. >> OTHER COMMENTS MISS MISS HOWARD. I TOO HAVE HAD SO MANY WONDERFUL THOUGHTS ABOUT THE MEMORIAL. BOTH MY GRANDCHILDREN WERE BORN.

THEIRS IS A VERY SPECIAL PLACE THE BOARD AND EVERYONE HAS DONE WORK TOGETHER ON THIS.

AND I THINK THAT'S THE KEY IS TO GET THE BOARD AND THE COUNTY TO WORK TOGETHER ON THIS ORDINANCE AND THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SUGGESTED THAT I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH. BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO ALL OF US WORKING TOGETHER TO MAKE THE PROPER CHANGES. I THINK THIS IS THE OLDEST ORDINANCE EXISTING ORDINANCE FOR ALL OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. SO ITS CAPACITY.

MR. WATSON AND I AGREE WITH WHAT MISS HOWARD JUST SAID. >> IT'S A FACT THAT SOMETHING CAME UP AND WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE ORDINANCE. WHAT? OH NO. THIS IS 40 YEARS OLD AND THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS IN HERE THAT DON'T PERTAIN TO TODAY. SO THAT'S AGAIN WHY MR. SMITH MENTIONED WE GOT LEGAL COUNSEL BECAUSE WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO THAT. WE DO NOT WANT TO BE IN THE

HOSPITAL BUSINESS. >> WE DO NOT WANT TO RUN A HOSPITAL.

I THINK MR. PARKMAN HAS SAID THAT TODAY OR EARLIER IN THE WEEK.

AND AGAIN THAT THEY ARE UP TO THIS POINT AND THERE IS REALLY NO POINT THAT THAT THEY HELP THE USER WITH THE WORLD HOSPITAL HAS DONE AN INCREDIBLE JOB AND EVERYONE HERE AGREES

WITH THAT. >> SO HOPEFULLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT IS US PASSING AND FIRST READING OF THIS ORDINANCE THEN WILL ALLOW MR. BAXLEY AS WELL AS ANYONE ELSE FROM HIS STAFF TO SIT DOWN AND ASK COME TO AN AGREEMENT AND FIGURE WHERE THIS ORDINANCE NEEDS TO BE THAT EVERYONE'S HAPPY AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE.

SO I WILL SUPPORT THE ORDINANCE AS IT IS AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET SOME RESOLUTION FROM THE FROM THE HOSPITAL STAFF AND THE OTHER CONTINENTS TIME JIM AND I HAVE TO THIS IS WHAT I WILL

SAY. >> I DO SUPPORT THE ORDINANCE. THE REASON I DO SUPPORT IT IS BECAUSE WE WERE SLAPPED IN THE LAWSUIT RIGHT OFF THE BAT A COUPLE OF MONTHS BACK WHEN INDIVIDUALISM WAS REMOVED FROM THE BOARD. WE DISAGREED WITH THE WAY IT WAS REMOVED AT LEAST I PERSONALLY DID THE DIFFERENCE OF OPINION IS GREAT ON A BOARD THE LAWSUIT ORIGINALLY WAS PUT ON US WHEN WE THREATENED TO REINSTATE THAT INDIVIDUAL AT THAT TIME THE INDIVIDUAL HAD A COUPLE OF DAYS LEFT ON THEIR TERMS THAT WAS PROPOSED TO US.

YOU KNOW THIS IS WHAT IT IS WHICH ROUTE YOU WANT TO GO. SO WE DEFLECTED TO REMOVE THAT FROM OUR AGENDA. THEY REINSTATE IT IMMEDIATELY THEN THE LAWSUIT WAS AMENDED TO WHAT IT IS TODAY AND THAT'S SORT OF WHERE WE'RE IN THE SITUATION WE ARE NOW.

I DO HOPE THIS OPENS UP NEGOTIATIONS. I THINK NEGOTIATING IS KEY OBVIOUSLY. BUT WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING ALL DAY ON THE LAST TWO THINGS THAT I SPOKE ON I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB RUNNING THE HOSPITAL.

I WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MEDICAL FIELD WHATSOEVER. MY DAD WENT DOWN THAT ROUTE AND OBVIOUSLY I DID NOT. SO I HAVE NO NO INTEREST IN THAT.

BUT I DO THINK ACCOUNTABILITY SHOULD BACKED IT ON ALL LEVELS. I DO THINK IT'S PAST DUE FOR US TO UPDATE THIS. SO I HOPE THAT WE CAN NEGOTIATE AND GET THAT DONE.

THE RIGHT WAY AND GET THE BALL ROLLING AGAIN. ANY OTHER COMMENTS DRUG? YEAH, I'VE I'VE VOTED TO CONTINUE THIS ON AND PROBABLY HOPEFULLY WILL FORCE SOME ISSUES. I HAVE SOME REAL RESERVATIONS ABOUT COUNTY COUNCIL POINTING THE ENTIRE BOARD. I DO THINK THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PERHAPS INCREASED INTERACTION WITH THE BOARD AND MAYBE IS MORE REPRESENTATION.

BUT I DO HAVE DEEP CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT'S PROPOSED IN HERE RELATIVE TO THE APPOINTMENT OF THE BOARD. ANY OTHER COMMENTS SHOULD ONLY BECOME THANK YOU.

>> I'M WILL VOTE AGAINST THIS MOTION AT THIS TIME I JUST MAKE VERY CLEAR NOT BECAUSE I DISAGREE WITH THE TWO BODIES OR THIS COUNCIL REVISITING ITS ORDINANCE IN IN REDEFINING THAT

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AT THIS TIME I'M NOT REALLY AGAINST THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE FLOOR SIMPLY BECAUSE IT WAS

THE WAY IT WAS BROUGHT TO THE TABLE. >> I THINK IT WAS IN MY OPINION INAPPROPRIATE. I THINK IN THIS COUNTY WE WERE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON LEGAL FEES. ATTORNEYS AND ALL WE HAD TO DO WAS SIT DOWN AND TALK TO ONE ANOTHER AND WE JUST SOMEHOW FAILED TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE COME TO AN IMPASSE.

I THINK WE WE GOT GREAT GENTLEMEN IN THIS ROOM. WE GOT A LOT OF DIPLOMACY AMONG ALL OF US AND SOME TIME IS JUST A MATTER OF JUST SITTING DOWN AND WE'LL PUSHING OUR WAY AND WE ARE RESISTING THE PRESSURE COMING FROM THE OTHER SIDE AND ALL THE PEOPLE THAT BENEFIT FROM ALL OF THIS IS OUR LAWYERS AND OUR BUDGET REFLECTS THAT AND I THINK WE JUST NEED TO SIT DOWN AND THEN DECIDE HOW WE MOVE FORWARD IN THE FUTURE. IT'S AN ANTIQUATED ORDINANCE BEEN THEREFORE FOR SOME YEARS IT NEEDED TO BE REVISITED AND WE'RE DOING THAT.

BUT WE GOT TO GO THROUGH WITH ATTORNEY TO DO THAT. I THINK WE COULD HAVE COME TOGETHER AND JUST SAY THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND MOVE FORWARD.

I DON'T I DON'T LIKE MY MR. RODMAN JUST SAID I THINK WE CAN FIND ANOTHER WAY OVER APPOINTING BOARD MEMBERS AND WE NEED TO IT. I DON'T AGREE WITH THE 11 MEMBER BOARD FROM EACH DISTRICT. YOU KNOW, WE SAID REGIONAL THERE ARE REGIONAL DISTRICTS IN THIS COUNTY. WE HAVE A BOARD MEMBER AT LEAST ONE BOARD MEMBER FROM THAT REGION THAT WE FIND. BUT TO SAY THAT WE HAVE ELEVEN MEMBERS ELEVEN MEMBER BOARD FROM EACH DISTRICT, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT'S APPROPRIATE. I THINK WE'VE GOT GOOD PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

AND I THINK WE HAVE A ORGANIZATION THAT HAS BEEN FUNCTIONING ONLY NEEDED TO BASICALLY FINE TUNE TO AN ORDINANCE THAT WE CAN ALL AGREE UPON.

SO I'M I'M NOT VOTING AGAINST CHANGING. I'M JUST VOTING AGAINST THE METHOD THAT WE GOT HERE TODAY. THAT'S ALL WE GO IDENTITY TODAY RIBAUT.

I WANT A SECOND. EVERYTHING THAT WORKS AT CAN I HAVE ONE MORE THING JUST TO CLARIFY? YEAH. REAL QUICK.

30 SECONDS. I'M ALL WITH YOU GOING SITTING DOWN AT THE TABLE NEGOTIATING THAT'S THE ROUTE WE SHOULD HAVE STARTED WITH TO BEGIN WITH BUT WE'RE NOT THE ONES THAT ORIGINALLY FILED THE LAWSUIT THAT THAT WAS NOT SO WE WE WITH OUR BACKS AGAINST THE WALL WITH THE FIRST MOTION OF A LAWSUIT. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT WASN'T BEFORE COUNTY COUNCIL THAT WILL LEAD YOU. I'M JUST SAYING WE'RE NOT THE ONES THAT PUSHED TO GET AWAY FROM THAT TABLE IMMEDIATELY. OKAY. OKAY.

BEFORE I GO TO THE PUBLIC OVER THIS WEEKEND I RECEIVED NUMEROUS TEXT MESSAGES, PHONE CALLS AND E-MAILS ABOUT MEETING WITH INDIVIDUALS TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.

I DID NOT ANSWER ANY ONE OF THEM NOR WOULD I GO BACK AND DO ANYTHING DIFFERENTLY OTHER THAN JUST ACKNOWLEDGED THAT I GOT THEM. IT IS NOT MY POSITION TO NEGOTIATE ANYTHING ON BEHALF OF THIS COUNCIL WITHOUT THIS COUNCIL'S KNOWLEDGE.

GOING FORWARD I CERTAINLY WANT TO HAVE A DIALOG WITH MEMBERS OF THE BEAUFORT MEMORIAL HOSPITAL THE BOARD AND WHOEVER ELSE WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT MOVING FORWARD WE HAVE A BETTER

UNDERSTANDING OF EACH OF OUR ROLES. >> AS MR. LAWSON SAID, I HAVE BEEN ADAMANT THAT IT IS NOT MY JOB TO RUN THE HOSPITAL. I HAVE ENOUGH TROUBLE DOING WHAT I'M DOING NOW. IT IS MY JOB TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU RECEIVE THE FINANCIAL REASON YOU RECEIVE THE FINANCES TO DO YOUR JOB WELL. SO NOW I WILL ASK MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO COMMENT TO COMMENT ON WHAT THEY HEARD TONIGHT.

AFTER YOUR COMMENTS WE WILL THEN DISCUSS THIS FURTHER AND TAKE ACTION.

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WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO FIRST? MR. BAXLEY, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF AS RUSSELL BACKED CHAIRMAN KELSO. MY NAME IS RUSS BAXLEY, PRESIDENT AND CEO OF MORTON HOSPITAL. I'VE BEEN IN THAT ROLE FOR FIVE YEARS.

I'VE BEEN IN HEALTH CARE FOR 15 YEARS NOW ALTHOUGH IT FEELS MORE LIKE 30 YEARS BY WAY OF BACKGROUND. I WILL TELL YOU THAT BEFORE MEMORIAL OPERATES ON A BUDGET OF 250 MILLION DOLLARS WE EMPLOY SEVENTEEN RESIDENTS BEFORE COUNTY.

WE PERFORM 12000 SURGERIES. 9000 PATIENTS ATTEND OVER FORTY FOUR THOUSAND PAGES IN OUR E.R.

PER YEAR AND WE SEE OVER 500 THOUSAND PATIENTS AND OUR PHYSICIAN CLINICS AND OUTPATIENT CENTERS EVERY YEAR SERVING THIS COMMUNITY. I'M HERE TODAY TO EXPRESS MY CONCERN REGARDING THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE HOSPITAL IN THIS CHAPTER 46 ARTICLE 2 SECTION 46 THAT 26 DASH 46 33 AGENDA ITEM STAYS. THIS IS AN UPDATE ON THE ORDINANCE. THE CHANGE POST HERE ARE MUCH MORE THAN A SIMPLE UPDATE THEIR PROPOSED CHANGES THAT WOULD FUNDAMENTALLY ALTER HOW THE HOSPITAL OPERATES.

SO JUST IMPLEMENTATION OF PROCUREMENT POLICIES SEEKING APPROVAL OF COUNCIL TO ENLARGE OR RENOVATE FACILITIES SUBJECT TO BUDGETARY CONSTRAINTS AND ADDING LANGUAGE THAT REQUIRES THE HOSPITAL TO SEEK COUNCIL APPROVAL WITH SECURITY THAT OVER AND ABOVE FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT WOULD DAYS OPERATING CASH FOR THE HOSPITAL SIX HUNDRED SEVENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS. BUT I DON'T CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN OR THE HOSPITAL FINANCES CAPITAL EXPENDITURES WOULD TRANSPARENCY PEOPLE MORALS AND AT TIMES SUBDIVISION OF THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA WHICH OWNS ITS OWN REAL PROPERTY AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS LEGISLATIVELY MANDATED HEALTH CARE MISSION HAVING BEEN CREATED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY. ULTIMATELY WHAT THIS MEANS IS THE COUNTY NOR COUNTY COUNCIL IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE HOSPITAL ACTIONS OR LIABILITIES TO ANY THAT THE HOSPITAL MAY TAKE ON. I FIND IF YOU SEARCH YOUR RECORDS I BELIEVE YOU WOULD FIND THESE FACTS TO BE WELL DOCUMENTED IN THE LAST 20 OR 30 YEARS EVEN AS RECENTLY AS THE LINE OF CREDIT WE TOOK OUT WHERE THERE WAS NO OBLIGATION CREATED ONTO THE COUNTY BY A LINE OF CREDIT THE HOSPITAL TAKES OUT IT PAST THESE KINDS OF POLICIES WILL LEAD TO ADDED LAYERS OF RED TAPE AND BUREAUCRACY ARE INCONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT TREND OF LESS COUNTY INVOLVEMENT IN HOSPITALS AND HEALTH SYSTEMS. LOOK NO FURTHER THAN LEXINGTON MEDICAL CENTER RECENTLY IN 2020 TOOK THEMSELVES PRIVATE NONPROFIT FROM A COUNTY HOSPITAL. REASON STATED IS THAT IT DOES NOT MAKE THEM A COMPETITIVE VEHICLE IN ORDER TO COMPETE IN A WORLD OF CONSOLIDATION, WELL-FUNDED FOR PROFIT HEALTH CARE SYSTEMS AND LARGE NONPROFIT PRIVATE ENTITIES LIKE PRESENT HEALTH CARE.

IF YOU WANT TO LOOK CLOSER AT HOME, LOOK NO FURTHER THAN MEMORIAL HEALTH AND SAVANNAH WHO WAS RECENTLY TAKEN OVER BY A FOR PROFIT TOUR OPERATOR HEALTH HEALTHY OPERATION WHICH ALSO GIVES ME CONCERNS HEALTH SECTION 46 DASH 33 HAS BEEN STRUCK ALTOGETHER.

HOW THE APPOINTMENT PROCESS THE BOARD WILL BE FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGED SECTION 46 DASH 33 SPECIFICALLY STATES IN THE AUDIT SHALL NOT BE CHANGED WITHOUT MUTUAL CONSENT AT THE HOSPITAL AND BEFORE COUNTY COUNCIL. I BELIEVE THE SESSION WAS SPECIFICALLY MEANT FOR THE BOARD AND COUNCIL TO WORK TOGETHER TO UPDATE YOU AUDIENCE IN THE SPIRIT OF MAKING POSITIVE CHANGES TO THE HOSPITAL SO WE CAN SERVE BETTER IDENTITY AND RUN OUR TIME. UNFORTUNATELY THIS CHANGE WILL MAKE THE HOSPITAL STRONGER.

I ONLY BELIEVE THE TWO SIDES HAVE TRIED TO SIT DOWN AT THIS WHICH THE TWO SIDES WERE TRYING TO SIT DOWN TO DISCUSS HOW TO UPDATE THE AUDIENCE IN THE RIGHT WAY.

SO I IMPLORE YOU TODAY DO THAT SIT DOWN AND DISCUSS BECAUSE THE HOSPITAL HAS NEVER BEEN FINANCIALLY STRONGER. WE HAVE TAKEN CARE OF OUR EMPLOYEES.

WE HAVE RESPONDED TO THE PANDEMIC. WE DO APPRECIATE THE RECOGNITION THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN US TODAY IN RESPONDING TO THAT PANDEMIC.

WE HAVE STARTED CLINICS LIKE SICKLE CELL ANEMIA CLINICS, PATIENT TRANSPORT SERVICES, EXPANDED OUR MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES AND WE DO 40 MILLION DOLLARS IN CHARITY CARE TO THIS HOSPITAL, TO THIS COUNTY EVERY YEAR ON THAT 20 50 MILLION DOLLAR BUDGET.

I THINK THAT I WOULD ASK THAT EACH OF YOU TAKE THE TIME SIT DOWN WITH ME AND COUNTY COUNCIL AND THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES WHICH WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES HERE. WE HAVE MANY VIEWING TODAY ONLINE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THIS. WE ASK THAT YOU SIT DOWN AND LET'S WORK TOGETHER COLLABORATIVELY TO CHANGE THIS ORDINANCE BECAUSE AS IT IS WRITTEN TODAY, THIS WILL BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE HOSPITAL. AND I'M TELLING YOU THAT FROM A HOSPITAL OPERATOR WHO'S BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME THIS IS NOT A GOOD CHANGE FOR THE HOSPITAL OR FOR THIS COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. WHO'S NEXT?

>> I'M STEVE ALSO THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR OF YOUR VIEW FROM A RURAL EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT.

I LIVE IN HILTON HEAD AND I DRIVE TO THE FURTHEST HOSPITAL FROM MY HOUSE IN THE BEAUFORT JASPER COUNTY AREA BECAUSE OF MISSION, BECAUSE OF THE QUALITY, BECAUSE THE INTEGRITY OF THE HOSPITAL. I'M JUST REALLY PRIVILEGED TO SERVE THERE AND BE ON THE BOARD. AS A MERCY PHYSICIAN YOU TRAIN IN COUNTY HOSPITAL.

THAT'S WHERE YOU THRIVE. THAT'S WHERE YOUR CHALLENGES ARE.

SO I KNOW A LOT ABOUT COUNTY HOSPITALS. I WENT TO EMORY.

I TRAINED AT GRADY MEMORIAL HOSPITAL. I TRAINED IN EMERGENCY MEDICINE IN OAKLAND KNIFE AND GUN CLUB. I'M GOING TO TELL YOU A COUNTY HOSPITAL IS AN EXCEPTION TO A RULE. IT'S A BEAUTIFULLY RUN HOSPITAL.

THERE'S A LOT OF MEDICAL STAFF TO GO TO WHERE THERE'S A FEW CHARACTERS ON THE MEDICAL STAFF

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AND A COUNTY SETTING. THAT'S NOT THE CASE HERE. THIS IS A HIGH CLASS QUALITY MEDICAL STAFF THAT IS ABLE TO ATTRACT AND RETAIN QUALITY MEMBERS.

FUNDAMENTALLY IF YOU LOOK AT THIS ORDINANCE, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS HASN'T BEEN VISITED IN 40 YEARS AND IT MIGHT BE ANTIQUATED BUT TO GO FROM THIS AGENCY MODEL TO THIS PROPOSAL BEING A COUNTY REGULATED MODEL THAT'S ANACHRONISTIC THAT'S GOING BACK TO THE 1980S.

>> THE FUTURE OF MEDICINE BE MORE NIMBLE AND MORE FLEXIBLE NOT TO BE MORE MORE ENCUMBERED BY TRAVEL REGULATIONS. THE FUNDAMENTAL TENET OF MEDICINE REALLY IS FIRST DO

NO HARM. >> ALL RIGHT. WE LOOK AT THE PATIENT.

WE SAY THIS IS AN INTERVENTION. YOU'RE GOING TO BENEFIT THE PATIENT OR NOT.

AND MY PATIENTS WILL SAY TO ME ,DOC, IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT AND WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE. AND FRANKLY THIS MEASURE WHEN I'VE CONSIDERED HOW I WANT TO SAY THAT BUT THE RUSSELLS I LAID OUT WHEN THIS ROOM OVER THE LAYERS OF REGULATION AND OVERSIGHT IN THIS READING ARE REALLY NOTABLE AND I THINK WE'LL REALLY HANDCUFF A TALENTED CEO LIKE RUSSELL BAXLEY TO PERFORM. JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THE PANDEMIC RESPONSE IN ITSELF FOR MORAL HOSPITAL MOVED OUTSIDE ITS WALLS ITS BRICKS AND WALLS AND MORTARS TO EDUCATE TO TEST ,TO VACCINATE THE COMMUNITY. THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN WITH REGULATION OVERSIGHT AGENCY APPROVAL ALL SUPERHUMAN. IT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN THAT WAY. WE HAVE TO BE FORTUNATE WE HAVE THE MODEL WE CAN MOVE THEM TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN AS FAR AS THE BOARD GOES. IT'S A VERY DIVERSE GROUP HEALTH CARE MANAGER. WE'VE HAD PHYSICIANS WHO'VE BEEN FOR JASPER COUNTY MEDICAL DIRECTORS, HEALTH CARE EXECUTIVES, FORTUNE 500 EXECUTIVES WHO'VE SERVED ON DIVERSITY COUNCILS. IT'S RUSSELL ASKS RUSSELL. HE DRAWS FROM THAT EXPERIENCE TO GOVERN AND OPERATE A BEAUTIFULLY RUN BOARD. SO I'D ASK YOU TO LOOK AT THIS.

I THINK THAT MOVING TO THE COUNTY HOSPITAL MODEL FROM THE NONPROFIT AGENCY MODEL IS REALLY TROUBLESOME. IT'S NOT THE WAY THE FUTURE MY OWN MODEL GRADY MEMORIAL.

THERE THEY'RE NO LONGER GOVERNED BY THE FULTON COUNTY ADMINISTRATION.

THEY'RE A NONPROFIT BECAUSE THEY SEE THE ADVANTAGES OF GOING FROM THIS MODEL YOU'RE PROPOSING TO AGENCY MODEL. SO LET'S LOOK AGAIN AT THIS. LET'S ALL SIT DOWN AND THIS CREATES SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO FROM SCRATCH WHICH MAKES SENSE TO HELP US BENEFIT TO

MOVE FORWARD AND LET'S DO IT. >> YOU KNOW THIS TO CONTINUALLY NOT AND THAT ABSOLUTELY YOU

SAID THANK YOU NEXT. >> I'M DR. ERIC BILLING. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, FOR ALLOWING US THE OPPORTUNITY AND THANK YOU, MR. GLOVER. I DO AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID AND I WANT TO KNOW SECOND AND THIRD WHICH YOU SAY. I THINK WE DO HAVE A LOT OF AREAS THAT WE WE NEED TO DISCUSS AND WE NEED. WE HAVE SOME COMMONALITY THERE . BUT I'VE BEEN IN COUNTY FOR 15 YEARS AND AS I SAID, I'M A RADIOLOGIST AND I TEND TO LIKE TO BE IN THE BACKGROUND IN A DARK ROOM.

SO THE FACT THAT I'M APPEARING TO BE I'LL DO SOMETHING IS DEFINITELY ASKEW.

SO I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT, YOU KNOW, I DO REALIZE THIS HAS BEEN AROUND 40 YEARS BUT IF SOMETHING IS NOT BROKEN, PLEASE DON'T FIX IT. AND I'M WORRIED THAT YOU'RE CATCHING A BREAK SOMETHING BY TRYING TO BUT BY ENACTING THIS ORDINANCE I I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 15 YEARS AND I'VE GOT TO SAY THAT THE HOSPITAL RIGHT NOW IS RUN BETTER THAN EVER.

WE'VE SURVIVED TO HURRICANES. WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH A COLD PANDEMIC.

WE REMAIN PROFITABLE. WE PROVIDED QUALITY AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE TO OUR COMMUNITY AND WE'VE BEEN AT THE FOREFRONT OF VACCINATION EFFORTS IN THE COUNTY I THINK KNOW HOPEFULLY THE REASON A LOT OF PEOPLE AREN'T WEARING MASKS TODAY IS BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN VACCINATED AND HOPEFULLY THEM THROUGH A LARGE PART THROUGH THE EFFORTS THAT NOT.

SO MY CONCERN IS THAT ACCESS COUNTY OVERSIGHT TO ENCUMBER THE HOSPITAL MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO MAKE TIMELY DECISIONS IN A VERY COMPETITIVE HEALTH CARE MARKETPLACE, JEOPARDIZE THE QUALITY OF HEALTH CARE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THE LIVELIHOOD OF THOUSANDS OF HEALTH CARE WORKERS THAT WORK FOR MEMORIAL HOSPITAL. I THINK WE'RE WE'RE ON CAN BE ON THE SAME PAGE WE ALL WANT TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF HEALTH CARE IN VIEW FOR COUNTY.

I DON'T THINK THIS ORDINANCE IS GOING TO DO THAT. >> THANK YOU EVERYONE ELSE.

MR. CHAIRMAN. I'D LIKE A MOMENT, PLEASE. THERE IS THERE'S SOMEONE AHEAD

OF YOU. >> GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS KURT ALLEN BERGER. I'VE BEEN ON THE MEDICAL STAFF FOR MEMORIAL FOR OVER 20 YEARS.

I'M PRESENTLY THE CHIEF OF STAFF THAT HAS BEEN IN THAT POSITION FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS NOW. SO I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF THE MEDICAL EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE

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OF BEFORE MEMORIAL AS WELL AS THE OVER 250 PLUS MEMBERS OF THE MEDICAL STAFF.

I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS WITH UNANIMOUS CONSENT OF THE MEDICAL EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE AS WELL AS THE FULL SUPPORT OF THE MEDICAL STAFF MEMBERS THAT WE HAD A MEETING WITH EARLIER TODAY THAT WE HAVE DEEP CONCERNS ABOUT THE CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE AND ARE IN OPPOSITION TO IT. MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ALREADY ILLUSTRATED MANY OF THE ISSUES THAT WE FEEL ARE A PROBLEM WITH THIS ORDINANCE CHANGE. IT'S MORE THAN JUST A REVISION.

IT'S EFFECTIVELY CEDING OPERATIONAL AND GOVERNANCE TO THE COUNTY.

IT'S TAKING ANOTHER LAYER OF BUREAUCRACY WHICH IN MY OPINION NEVER WORKS.

THE MORE LINES YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH, THE LESS EFFICIENT THE SYSTEM BECOMES, THE MORE MONEY YOU WASTE, THE LESS EFFICIENT YOU ARE FOR DELIVERING THE WHATEVER CARE YOU WANT TO GIVE.

THIS BEING ON THE ACTIVE STAFF FOR OVER 20 YEARS I'VE SEEN BASICALLY THREE DIFFERENT ADMINISTRATIONS COME THROUGH THE HOSPITAL AND I AGREE WITH ERIC WHOLEHEARTEDLY.

THIS HAS BEEN THE BEST ADMINISTRATION THAT WE HAVE HAD IN MY 20 PLUS YEARS.

IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS WE'VE SEEN AN UNPRECEDENTED AMOUNT OF HOSPITAL CLOSURES SIMILAR TO US FOR BORNE OUT BY FOR PROFIT AGENCIES. EVEN VENTURE CAPITAL IS STARTING TO MOVE INTO THIS AREA. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE WANTED FOR FOR BEFORE COUNTY DESPITE THIS ENVIRONMENT. WE'VE ALSO HAD TWO HURRICANES AND THEN A PANDEMIC. AND YET THROUGH ALL THIS WE HAVE SURVIVED AND NOT ONLY SURVIVED THRIVED. WE REMAIN PROFITABLE AND ALL OF YOU FOR COMING COUNTY SHOULD CELEBRATE THAT WEEK. WHICH LEADS TO THE QUESTION WHERE IS THIS COMING FROM? MY ASSOCIATION WITH THE MEDICAL STAFF HAS BEEN LONG. MY ASSOCIATION WITH THE BOARD HAS BEEN RELATIVELY SHORT. THE PRESENT ADMINISTRATION AND THE BOARD AND MY EXPERIENCE IS EXTREMELY QUALIFIED, VERY RESPONSIVE AND THEY'RE ENGAGED IN THE HEALTH AND WELFARE OF COUNTY. THEY'VE CREATED A GREAT ENVIRONMENT FOR THE PHYSICIANS.

PHYSICIAN SATISFACTION IS AS HIGH AS IT'S EVER BEEN AND OUR MOST RECENT SURVEY.

AND IT LEADS ME TO THE QUESTION. >> THE GOAL OF BE FOR MEMORIAL AND ITS ORGANIZATION AS A WHOLE IS TO ADVANCE THE HEALTH AND DELIVER THE BEST HEALTH CARE TO BE FOR COUNTY. THIS SHOULD ALSO BE THE GOAL OF THE COUNCIL.

DOES THIS CHANGE IN THE ORDINANCE IMPROVE THE HEALTH OF FOR COUNTY AND IF IT DOESN'T

THEN WHAT IS ITS PURPOSE? >> THANK YOU. THE THE PERSON WHO IS ONLINE

WOULD SHE IDENTIFY HERSELF? >> MY NAME IS GENEVA BAXLEY. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF COUNTY SINCE 2011 AND HAVE BEEN AFFILIATED WITH BEAUFORT MEMORIAL HOSPITAL SINCE THAT TIME.

MY ROLES WITHIN THE HOSPITAL HAVE VARIED AND INCLUDED REGISTERED NURSE BOARD CERTIFIED LACTATION CONSULTANT VACCINE CLINIC VOLUNTEER BALLANTINE BALL CHAIRPERSON AND FOUNDATION BOARD MEMBER. I KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF HEALTHY LEADERSHIP AND HAVE WITNESSED FIRSTHAND HOW DEDICATED AND EFFECTIVE THE HOSPITAL BOARD FOUNDATION BOARD AND HOSPITAL ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN DURING THE PAST 10 YEARS IN PARTICULAR AND SINCE THE ARRIVAL OF RUSSELL BAXLEY AS CEO IN 2016. THE HOSPITAL HAS THRIVED.

WE HAVE PREPARED FOR AND WEATHERED HURRICANES. WE HAVE BEEN RECOGNIZED AND AWARDED MANY TIMES FOR EXCELLENT. WE'VE INCREASED OUR BOTTOM LINE AND PATIENT SATISFACTION SCORES. WE'VE RENOVATED THE BIRTHING CENTER, EXPANDED OUR MEDICAL OFFERINGS, RECRUITED TOP NOTCH MEDICAL STAFF AND EVEN CREATED A DAYCARE AS A HOSPITAL WE ARE AGILE, FORWARD THINKING, RESPONSIVE AND PROUD TO PROVIDE WORLD CLASS CARE RIGHT HERE. BEAUFORT OUR CURRENT HOSPITAL BOARD IS COMPRISED OF THREE KIND AND STELLAR PHYSICIANS TWO FORMER HOSPITAL CEOS AND THREE ACCOMPLISHED INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE HELD IMPRESSIVE CAREER LEADERSHIP ROLES. WOW.

HOW BLESSED WE ARE TO HAVE THIS TYPE OF INTELLECT AND TALENT GUIDING THE MOST DIFFICULT DECISIONS PERTAINING TO BE AMH NOTABLY AS YOU'VE HEARD MANY TIMES TONIGHT.

THIS BOARD JUST COURAGEOUSLY STEERED THE HOSPITAL THROUGH ARGUABLY ITS MOST DAUNTING CHALLENGE TO DATE COVID 19 PANDEMIC. SPEAKING WITH FIRSTHAND AND FRONTLINE EXPERIENCE TACKLING THE IMPOSSIBLE HAS NEVER LOOKED SO GOOD.

EVERYTHING FROM HOSPITAL WIDE COMMUNICATION TO PLANNING TO OBTAINING PPE TO SETTING UP COVERED TENTS TO STARTING AND STAFFING VACCINE CLINICS TO EXPANDING INTENSIVE CARE SERVICES. THE LIST GOES ON AND ON. OUR COMMUNITY HAS THIS HOSPITAL BOTH THE EMPLOYEES AND THE LEADERSHIP TO THANK FOR THEIR INCREDIBLE MANAGEMENT OF THE UNIMAGINABLE. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOU FOUR COUNTY COUNCIL SEEKS TO CHANGE THE STRUCTURE OF THE HOSPITAL GOVERNING BOARD. AND MY QUESTION IS SIMPLE WHY

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WHY IS IT BENEFICIAL TO THE RESIDENTS OF BUBER COUNTY TO FIX WHAT IS BROKEN? WHY WOULD YOU LIMIT THE AGILITY OF A HOSPITAL BOARD TO ACT QUICKLY WHEN NEEDED? WHY WOULD YOU ADD SEATS TO AN ALREADY EXCEPTIONALLY QUALIFIED AND DIVERSE GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE DEMONSTRATED THEIR COMMITMENT AND ABILITY TO LEAD UNDER PRESSURE? WHY WOULD YOU INFUSE TENSION INTO A BOARD THAT HAS PROVEN THAT HAS A PROVEN HISTORY OF COMPETENCE AND TEAMWORK AS PUBLIC SERVANTS? WE ALL KNOW THE VALUE OF TRANSPARENCY COMPROMISE AND THIS IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO NOW. PLEASE LISTEN TO THE FOLKS WHO HAVE STAYED BEHIND DURING HURRICANES. PLEASE LISTEN TO THE FOLKS WHO HAVE FOUGHT LIKE CRAZY TO GET PPE WHEN THERE WAS NONE. PLEASE LISTEN TO THE FOLKS WHO TAKE TIME AWAY FROM THEIR FAMILY EVERY DAY TO GET BACK TO THE HOSPITAL BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN DILIGENTLY SELECTED TO LEAD. I ASSURE YOU NO ONE CARES ABOUT THE SUCCESS GMH MORE THAN THEY DO. THE PATH FORWARD IS THROUGH DISCUSSION AND DIALOG.

I IMPLORE YOU TO OPEN THESE LINES OF COMMUNICATION. THANK YOU ELSE.

CASUALLY COME FORWARD. I'M NOT THE ONE REPRESENTING THE CITY OF DIFFERENT DIFFERENT

COUNTY. >> THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

I'M NOT A DOCTOR. I DON'T WORK AT THE HOSPITAL. I'M NOT ON THE BOARD.

I DON'T WANT TO BE ON THE BOARD NOT GONNA WORK AT THE HOSPITAL BUT YOU KNOW, I'M PROBABLY THE ONLY PERSON IN THIS ROOM THAT I RECOGNIZE WHO WAS PROBABLY BORN IN BEAUFORT MEMORIAL HOSPITAL

FOR 1950. >> I WAS GOING TO DIFFERENT MEMORIAL HOSPITAL BEFORE THERE WAS A BEAUFORT COUNTY COUNCIL CHANGE WHEN I WOULD GO TO THE HOSPITAL ON SUNDAY MORNINGS BECAUSE THE ONLY TIME I COULD SPEND WITH MY FATHER WAS WHEN HE MADE HOUSE CALLS OR WHEN HE MADE ROUNDS AT THE HOSPITALS. SO I LEARNED TO TIE MY SHOES AT THE HOSPITAL.

MY MOTHER WAS THE ONLY ONE PROBABLY THE FIRST PERSON I ELECTED TO THAT LARGE ON BEAUFORT COUNTY COUNCIL BEFORE THE SYSTEM WAS CHANGED AND THINGS DO CHANGE.

BUT I BELIEVE IN LOOKING THROUGH THIS ORDINANCE AND FROM MY LITTLE BIT OF EXPERIENCE GOVERNMENT AT ALL LEVELS. I THINK WE'RE DOING MORE THAN CHANGING AN ORDINANCE.

I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A RELATIONSHIP THAT IS PROBABLY AS IMPORTANT AS ANY RELATIONSHIP, ANY GOVERNMENT OR ANY ENTITY IN A COMMUNITY CAN HAVE.

AND TO ME IT IT APPEARS IT'S IN US AND IT'S TO THEM AND NOT TO BE WE.

SO I WOULD NOT FILE A LAWSUIT. I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT. I'VE HAD THEM THROWN AT ME BY THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE BACK WHEN I WAS MAYOR AND BY THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE WHEN A CONVERSATION THAT THEY REFUSED TO HAVE RESOLVED THAT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM EVERYTHING THEY WANTED IN THE LAWSUIT. BUT THEY WENT AHEAD AND FILED A LAWSUIT RATHER THAN ME WITH US.

I DON'T BELIEVE IN LAWSUITS. SORRY, DON, BUT BUT BUT I THINK THAT IS THE WRONG WAY TO START

A CONVERSATION. >> BUT I THINK THAT SOMETHING SO FUNDAMENTAL THIS HAS TO BE SEEN AS MUCH MORE THAN THEM. THEN THEN CHANGING AN ORDINANCE ON FRUSTRATING SECOND READING.

>> THIRD READING I THINK IT TAKES PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND HOW CHANGE HAPPENS, HOW GOVERNMENT CHANGES, HOW THE HOSPITAL CHANGES, HOW THE NEEDS OF COMMUNITY CHANGE BECAUSE I'M SURE THE ORDINANCE NEEDS TO BE REVISED IF IT'S THAT OLD. EVERY EVERY ORDINANCE SHOULD BE REVISED. THERE OUGHT TO BE OVERSIGHT THAT WE DON'T DO IN GOVERNMENT AS MUCH AS WE SHOULD. BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THAT THAT BEFORE YOU MOVE FORWARD AN ORDINANCE WHICH DRAWS THE LINES OF US AND THEM WHICH A LAWSUIT DOES, I WOULD HOPE THE LAWSUIT WOULD DISAPPEAR THAT A DELEGATION FROM COUNTY COUNCIL WITH APPROPRIATE STAFF WHO UNDERSTAND THE FINANCES AND THE CONTROL AND THE COLOR AND THE AND THE MANAGEMENT OF COUNTY SAT DOWN WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE STAFF OF THE HOSPITAL HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT'S BROKEN DOWN BECAUSE IT'S A RELATIONSHIP THAT'S BROKEN DOWN PARTIALLY BY THE

APPOINTMENT ISSUE THAT WE KNOW ABOUT. >> BUT I WOULD I WOULD URGE YOU TO TREAT THIS A LOT MORE SERIOUSLY JUST VOTING HIGH ON ON AN ORDINANCE EVEN ON FIRST READING BECAUSE I THINK IT IT TO ME IS AS BAD AS THE LAWSUIT WHICH I WOULD NOT HAVE SUPPORTED BECAUSE DRAWS A LINE IN THE SAND AND THIS IS NOT A TIME THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE WHERE

WE NEED TO BE DRAWING A LINE IN THE SAND. >> WE NEED TO PLEASE TAKE A BREAK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT.

WE'VE HEARD FROM YOU BASED UPON WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC, MISS HOWARD.

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I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY MY MOTION IS ACTUALLY AMEND THE EXISTING ORDER INCORPORATING SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE MADE AND ALSO TO ADD OF THE DISCUSSIONS BE PART OF COURSE WITH I DON'T KNOW ANY TIME IN MY MOTION TO SAY NO, NO.

IT'S CERTAINLY IT IS EVIDENT THAT THERE HAS TO BE DIALOG BETWEEN THE TWO PARTIES.

THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF US PUTTING FORTH THE FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE THAT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT AS FIRST READING IT'S THE FINAL READING.

I WELCOME THE IDEA THAT WE CAN SIT DOWN. WE ARE EXTREMELY PROUD OF WHAT BEAUFORT MEMORIAL HOSPITAL DOES . I HAVE ONLY SEEN THAT HOSPITAL

FROM THE EMERGENT C ROOM OK. >> OR THE OPERATIONS SUITE BUT I KNOW WHAT YOU DO AND HOW YOU DO IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO US. THEREFORE IT IS TIME FOR TO SIT DOWN TO MODERNIZE OUR RELATIONSHIP SHIFT WITHOUT IMPINGING ON WHAT YOU DO AND HOW YOU DO. WE CERTAINLY KNOW THAT HOSPITAL CARE HAS CHANGED OVER THESE FOUR YEARS. OUR COUNCIL HAS CHANGED OUR COUNTY AS CHANGED.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YES. MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE TO STAND

UP. I JUST FLEW ON. >> THANK YOU.

YOU KNOW, I I I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE THAT. CONCILIATORY TONE TAKEN BY COUNTY COUNCIL AND AND WOULD PROBABLY ENDORSE EXCEPT I FEEL LIKE WE'RE BEING FORCED TO NEGOTIATE IN THE IN FRONT OF A BARREL OF A GUN. AND QUITE FRANKLY I WILL VOTE FOR THIS THIS MOTION AS IT IS TODAY UNTIL THAT LAWSUIT IS DISMISSED.

I REALLY FEEL NO NEED TO DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT AS LONG AS A LAWSUIT IS PENDING AGAINST ME FOR COUNTING THAT REALLY NEEDS TO GO AWAY AND NEEDS TO GO AWAY QUICKLY AND IF IT TAKES HAVING COUNTY COUNCIL HAVE CONTROL OF THE BOARD IN ORDER TO NEGATE A LAWSUIT, WE SHOULD DO THAT.

THANK YOU, MR. CUNNINGHAM. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR Y'ALL. AGAIN, WE ALL KNOW THIS STARTED FROM A LAWSUIT WHICH WE RESOLVE THE ORIGINAL ISSUE AND THE ONLY THING WE CAME BACK SAYING AFTER WE RECOMMENDED NOT TO REINSTATE HER WAS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE PERTAINING TO THE BOARD AND HOW AND THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE I BELIEVE IT SAYS WE HAVE TO HAVE TWO PEOPLE RECOMMENDED BY YOU ALL. AND I THINK THE LAST THREE PEOPLE ONLY HAD ONE RECOMMENDED IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY WHEN I TALKED ABOUT THAT.

SO ON YOUR GUISES AND YOU DIDN'T EVEN MEET THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY IN PLACE.

SO I'M WITH BRIAN ON THIS. THE LAWSUIT WAS FILED AGAINST US.

I CAN'T STAND GO TO LITIGATION . I HOPE WE CAN RESOLVE THIS BEFOREHAND. I WANT TO I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU GUYS TO SAY LAWSUITS DROPPED.

LET'S GO A NEGOTIATION TABLE BECAUSE HONESTLY I ONLY HAVE ONE INTERESTS AND THAT'S MAKING SURE THAT YOU GUYS SUBMIT THE PEOPLE THAT YOU RECOMMEND FOR THE BOARD WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS IF IT'S 2 3 AND THEN YOU GIVE US YOUR NUMBER ONE RECOMMENDATION WE LOOK AT IT AND MOVE FORWARD. THAT'S THE ONLY INTEREST I HAVE AND I WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR GUYS HIS FINANCES. I'M GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS ARE BEING CLEAN ABOUT IT.

I NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR DAY TO DAY DECISION MAKING. THAT'S WHY WHEN MISS HOWARD TALKED ABOUT THAT SHE DOESN'T AGREE WITH EVERYTHING ON THERE. I'M WITH HER ON THAT.

MY ONLY INTEREST IS THE FUNDAMENTAL STRUCTURE OF THE WAY YOUR BOARD IS APPOINTED AND OR REMOVED. THAT'S MY ONLY INTEREST IN THIS ONLY CAME UP BECAUSE OF THE LAWSUIT. EVEN WHEN WE AGREED TO RESOLVE THAT SPECIFIC ISSUE IT WAS MOVED FORWARD AND AMENDED BY YOU ALL. SO I'M WITH BRIAN ON THAT.

I HOPE WE CAN GET A LAWSUIT DROP AND JUST FOCUS ON THE BOARD AND I WILL STRONGLY SUPPORT YOU GUYS FOR US TO STAY OUT OF YOUR GUYS AS THE BUDGET'S.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHERE WE SHOULD BE. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE VOTE, MR. REDMOND? I THINK THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT EVERYBODY'S SAYING SHOULD HAPPEN. ONE IS WE SHOULD SIT DOWN AND LOOK AT THE OLD ORDINANCE AND SEE WHAT WE OUGHT TO DO TO ADDRESS ANY OUTSTANDING ISSUES WE HAVE.

I THINK SECONDLY I THINK THE HOSPITAL WOULD BE WELL SERVED TO DROP OR PUT IN ABEYANCE THE LAWSUIT. AND I THINK IF BOTH OF THOSE TWO THINGS HAPPENED, I THINK WE COULD REACH AN AGREEMENT. I THINK FAILING TO DO THAT. I THINK WE'LL JUST BE SITTING HERE ARGUING. SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE POSTPONE FIRST READING

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FOR 60 DAYS WHICH WOULD BE THE OR TO THE MEETING IN JULY WHENEVER THAT DATE IS TO ALLOW A COOLING OFF PERIOD. SEE IF THE HOSPITAL DROPS THE SUIT AND WE'VE MADE THE WE'VE MADE THE POINT THAT WE NEED TO REVISIT IT BUT WE CAN REVISIT IT AS AS FRIENDS.

SO I WANT TO MAKE THAT MOTIONS TO JUST SECOND THAT MOTION. WOULD THERE BE AN AMENDMENT TO MY MOTION? WE DON'T MEAN I DON'T THINK SO. MOST PEOPLE WE MEET ONCE IN JULY WE'RE REQUIRED BY GONE OUT TO MEET ONCE AN AIRLINE, OK? IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDED MOTION TO POSTPONE FIRST READING UNTIL JULY? I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST IT.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK THAT THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME BETWEEN NOW AND SECOND READING FOR FOREIGN PRESS INTO NEGOTIATIONS TAKE PLACE AND I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD TO MOVE THINGS ALONG, MAKE SURE THINGS MOVE APACE. I DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COST OR EXPENSE, OK? IS DO YOU WANT TO DISCUSS OUR MOTION ON AND ON THE LAWSUIT? I WANT TO. THAT'S RIGHT. WELL, WE'RE UNDER A LOT OF A

LOT. >> OH YEAH. YOU KIND OF ARE BECAUSE WE'RE WE'RE DOING THE AMENDED MOTION ONCE WE DO THAT. WE MAY ASK FOR A COMMENT FROM YOU. OK, MR. RATHER THAN YOU MADE THE MOTION YOU WILL VOTE FIRST.

>> YES, MR. CUNNINGHAM. >> YES MR. DAWSON. YES.

MR. FLOWING? NO. MR. GLOVER? YES. MR. HART MOTION? YES.

MISS HOWARD. NO. MR. LAWSON.

OUR CLASS AND YES. MR. MACALLAN. >> MR. SOMERVILLE.

NO. OH, WE HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR NO'S AND ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE SIX. YES IS BY MY COUNT AND I AM A YES.

THE MOTION IS DEFEATED YOU KNOW PASS TO PASS IT GETS NOSE BONE .

>> ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN. YES, YES OR NO FOUR NO'S.

YES. ALL RIGHT. SO ANYWAY.

YEAH IT IS GETTING LATE. ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, SEVEN. HE WAS GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL NO MATTER WHAT. SO WE ARE POSTPONING THIS UNTIL JULY.

NOW YOU MAY COMMENT, SIR. THINK THAT DIE. MY NAME IS DAVE HOLLIS.

I'M CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD. YOU'RE FROM ROYAL COURT OF TRUSTEES.

AND FIRST I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'VE CITED TODAY. THAT'S GREAT.

AND TO MR. CUNNINGHAM'S POINT ON THE LAWSUIT, I AGREE WE SHOULDN'T WE SHOULD NOT BE FIGHTING WITH EACH OTHER. WE SHOULD NOT BE SUING EACH OTHER.

WE SHOULD FIND A WAY TO RESOLVE THIS AND THAT STARTS WITH HAVING A DISCUSSION AND THE WHOLE THING STARTS WITH A BREAKDOWN ON DISCUSSIONS ON BOTH SIDES.

AND I'LL TAKE MY RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT AND HELP THE COUNTY COUNCIL MEMBERS TAKE THEIR RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT. BUT WE WILL RESOLVE THIS WITHOUT IT.

I. THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS CONTINUE AND I'M PRECIOUS DOLLARS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR BUDGET ON FLYERS THAT DISCUSS BEING.

IT HURTS ME VERY MUCH. I ALSO HATE TO SEE MY TAXPAYER DOLLARS GO INTO PAYING FOR ATTORNEYS ALSO. AGAIN, NO DISRESPECT TO ATTORNEYS BUT WE CAN RESOLVE THIS. IT JUST SITS DOWN AND SPARK PEOPLE SITTING DOWN AND HAVING A DISCUSSION. WE CAN RESOLVE THIS. SO I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WHAT YOU'VE DECIDED TODAY. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU.

DO I HEAR THAT YOU'RE AMENABLE TO REMOVING THE LAWSUIT ANIMALS MOVING LAWSUIT?

>> I'M A I'M A MINIMAL. AM I HERE TODAY TO TELL YOU THAT WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE THE LAWSUIT? NO, I WON'T DISCUSSION FIRST. LOTS OF THINGS NEED TO BE CLEARED UP ABOUT WHAT WHAT HOW THIS ALL CAME ABOUT AND ONCE WE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.

I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE RESOLVE IT WITHOUT ANY MORE LEGAL EXPENSES . AND ALSO I MIGHT ADD IT IS A COMPLETE DISTRACTION FOR THIS MANAGEMENT TEAM ALSO IN ITSELF AND THAT PAINS MORE THAN MORE THAN ANY ELSE DEPRESSION PRECIOUS MAN HOURS. HAVE PUT NEW ORDER TO THIS. SO THANK YOU.

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>> I HEARD YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE MOVING ON ITEM NUMBER 18 LOOK AT ALL THE THINGS WE'VE WRITTEN. THE THIRD PERSON WHO GAVE THAT COMMENT. WE'RE NOT SEEING EACH OTHER. THEY'RE SUING.

SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT A MOTION FOR A FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE FOR A ZONING NET AMENDMENT REZONING REQUEST FOR FIVE POINT TO THREE ACRES AT 335 JOE FRAZIER FRAZIER ROAD

BANS SUCH A MOTION PLEASE. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REZONING REQUEST ON

BRIAN MADE THE MOTION. >> AND IF I HEARD IT CORRECTLY ,PAUL MADE THE SECOND CORRECT BEFORE WE HAVE A DISCUSSION, ROB MERCHANT WOULD LIKE TO WEIGH IN.

>> MR. VIRGIN, WOULD YOU PLEASE ADDRESS THE BOARD? YES.

ONE OF THE REQUESTS MADE AT THE NATURAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE WAS THAT WE DO AN AERIAL SHOTS THE

PROPERTY. >> SO WE HAVE A DRONE OUT OF THE PROPERTY OF AND SO IT'S LOADING RIGHT NOW. OKAY. THIS.

HERE WE GO. THIS IS LOCATED WE'RE STANDING ON JOE FRAZIER ROAD LOOKING INTO THE PROPERTY. THIS IS LOOKING UP TOWARD LAUREL BAY ROAD TRIP HERE.

IT IS YOU CAN SEE THERE THREE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS, WAREHOUSES THAT MAKE UP ABOUT TEN THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. THIS IS MOVING BACK INTO THE PROPERTY WHERE CHEROKEE FARMS AND CHEATING LOOKING OTHER DIRECTION TOWARD BEAUFORT THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THIS SIDE OF THE PROPERTY HOW CLOSE THE RESIDENCES ARE ON THE NEIGHBORING STREETS AND GIVE

YOU A LOOK AT THE PROPERTY. >> BUT IT'S IT'S A LONG SKINNY PROPERTY WITH FRONTAGE ON JOE FRAZIER ROAD. AGAIN, THE PROPERTY KIND OF DOING A 360 TO YOU CAN SEE IT'S VERY MUCH NONCONFORMING USE ON JOE FRAZIER ROAD LIGHT THROUGH BUILDINGS BUT IT'S REALLY SURROUNDED ON ONES RESIDENTIAL AND THE OTHER SIDE THROUGH THE LAKE.

YOU CAN SORT OF SEE THROUGH THE TREES HERE AND THEN MORE RESIDENTIAL LONG JOE FRAZIER ROAD AT THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED TO RURAL AND THE OWNER IS REQUESTING TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO TEACH A RURAL CENTER WHICH ALLOWS, YOU KNOW, A GREATER AMOUNT OF NONCOMMERCIAL USES RETAIL AND I BELIEVE THE REPRESENT THE IS HERE AT THE BEATING QUESTION OF YOU ROB.

>> YES. WHAT DID THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMEND?

>> THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED IT. SAVOR THE VOTE.

YOU REMEMBER. I THINK IT WAS AN EFFORT COURT ORDER 1 OR 2 1 STAFF WAS OPPOSED TO IT BECAUSE THE SPOT ZONING NATURE THAT'S YOU KNOW IT ISN'T NONCONFORMING USE.

I'M SURROUNDED BY THE RESIDENTIAL MIGHT ASK ANOTHER QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN, GO AHEAD. THANKS. HOW DO YOU DIFFERENTIATE THIS PROPERTY FROM THE ONE THAT COUNTY COUNCIL VOTED REZONING ON MAY RIVER ROAD?

>> A MONTH OR TWO AGO? THAT HAS NOTHING ON IT. IT'S A VACANT LAND AND WE SPOT ZONED THAT ONE TO BE. I WAS THAT DIFFERENT. THIS ONE ALREADY HAS A BUILDING ON IT. IT'S BEEN USED FOR 30 OR 40 YEARS 40 YEARS I THINK AS AS

LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. >> AND THAT OTHER VACANT LAND AND THEN THEY INTEND TO PUT A COMMERCIAL USE THAT CURRENTLY RESIDENTIAL. HOW HOWEVER THOSE DIFFERENT I WOULD SAY THAT THE VERY SIMILAR CASES THE ONLY DIFFERENCES IN THIS CASE YOU KNOW, THERE HAS BEEN AN UNCONFIRMED USE OF THE SITE OR THE LAST I'VE BEEN SINCE THE EARLY 90S WHERE THE OTHER ONE DID HAVE A HISTORY OF THE OWNER REQUESTING TO CHANGE THE PROPERTY COMMERCIAL.

AND THEN TWO ATTEMPTS TO APPLY FOR DEVELOPMENT PERMIT FOR CONVENIENCE STORE.

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SO THERE ARE A LOT OF SIMILARITIES BETWEEN THE TWO BUT OF COURSE THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCES ON THIS ONE THERE IS AN EXISTING USE OF HAS BEEN THERE FOR MORE THAN TWENTY FIVE YEARS. SO IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE IT WAS AN OVERSIGHT.

I MEAN IF THIS WAS A A USE THAT WAS ALLOWED PRIOR TO ANY ZONING AND WHEN THAT ANY ZONING IN BEAUFORT COUNTY WAS IMPLEMENTED, THIS WAS APPARENTLY OVERLOOKED HAD TO BAN BECAUSE IT WAS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AT THE TIME. SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE ERROR WAS IN OUR ORIGINAL ZONING ORDINANCE AND THAT ZONING CORRECTLY IT MY MAMA.

WELL, YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER THIS AND THEN PLEASE I ASK YOU. >> OK, I'M SORRY I.

YES. MR. PAUL WELLINGS AND A DIFFICULT CASE BECAUSE IT IS ONE SINGULAR USE SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL AND SOMETIMES ZONING.

YOU KNOW IT IT IS DESIGNED TO CREATE DEVELOPMENTS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT EXIST AND IT IS TYPICAL IN CASES LIKE WHERE YOU HAVE ONE SINGULAR NONCONFORMING USE THAT THAT MAY BE YOU KNOW, ZONES INCONSISTENT WITH THE USE IN ORDER TO BE CONSISTENT WITH ALL THE SURROUNDING USES.

>> SO I'M NOT I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT WAS AN ERROR. YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING I GUESS THAT MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENCE INTERPRETATION OF IT PRE-DATE ME TOO.

SO I GUESS I MISS HOWARD COMES NEXT. >> IF COUNCILMAN FOILING HIS

QUESTIONS, LET HIM GO AHEAD. NO, I KNOW I HAVE COMMENTS. >> I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE

QUESTIONS. I APPRECIATE YOU HOLDING OFF. >> GOOD.

I DIDN'T VOTE FOR THE REASON THE ZONING ON MY RIVER AND I WON'T VOTE FOR THIS ONE EITHER.

I DON'T THINK TOO TOO BAD AND I'M IN THE MINE OR I WAS IN THE MINORITY MY RIVER TO ME THE OWNER CAN CONTINUE TO ENERGY. HE'S ASKING FOR A REZONING IN ORDER TO SELL THE PROPERTY AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL COME. I DON'T THINK IT'S OUR DUTY TO PROTECT THE LANDOWNERS NOT ONLY HIS PROPERTY BUT ALSO THE LANDOWNERS ADJACENT WHICH IS SOME RESIDENTIAL.

SO I AM GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THIS. I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION.

I MISSED WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT STAFF RECOMMENDATION. COULD YOU REPEAT THAT, ROB? OH, FROM OUR YES STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL BECAUSE THIS IS THE SPOT ZONING BECAUSE IT'S ONLY APPLYING TO THIS ONE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING PROPERTY BOTH SIDES

ARE RESIDENTIAL. >> OKAY. SO IF THIS IS APPROVED, WHAT DOES THAT ALLOW THE ONLY TO DO IF IT IS APPROVED THEN THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO THE USES THAT ARE PERMITTED FOR A CONDITIONAL USES IN THE TO RURAL CENTER DISTRICT.

>> I WILL SAY THAT SOME USES SUCH AS AN AUTO BODY SHOP WOULDN'T BE PERMITTED BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY OF EXPONENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE CONDITIONAL ENERGY USE AND THAT SHOWS APPROVAL WOULD ALLOW FURTHER COMMERCIAL USE OF THAT PROPERTY.

YES IN THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. CORRECT.

OK. THANK YOU. MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST WANT TO MAKE ROB HELP ME WITH THIS IF YOU CAN. THE MAIN RIVER RECOMMENDATION BY STAFF WAS NOT TO CHANGE THE ZONING WAS NOT CORRECT. I THINK STAMP MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO A THOUGHT JUST LIKE THEY'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION ON THIS RIGHT HERE NOT TO CHANGE THE ZONING THAT WE WERE CONSISTING BOTH ACCOUNTANTS RIBAUT RIBAUT DENIAL ABOUT. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.

OKAY. THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. >> I THINK BRYAN YOUR POINT BRYAN I THINK YOU'RE REALLY CLEAR IS THAT COUNCIL BUILDING ROAD STAFF THE STAFF MADE THE COUNCIL TO RECOMMENDATION WHY THEY WEREN'T INCLUDED. WELL, WHAT PUZZLES THINGS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET WAS WHAT WAS DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS ONE THAT MIGHT LEAD TO A DIFFERENT CONCLUSION BUT IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THEY'RE BOTH SAYING SO. YEAH, MARK?

YES. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. SO AND THEN A COMMENT QUESTION IS IS I THINK OF I HEARD CORRECTLY THAT THE ACTUALLY COMMITTEE VOTED 4 TO 1 TO APPROVE IT. CORRECT. WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT I

UNDERSTOOD THAT. >> AND THEN I LOOK AT THIS PROPERTY OBVIOUSLY THE PROPERTY

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WAS WAS DEVELOPED YEARS AGO AND EVERYTHING I CAN TELL BY THE TAX RECORDS WAS DONE EVEN BEFORE A LITTLE STREET WAS PUT IN NEXT TO IT. SO WHEN THEY PUT THEIR STREET IN THEY KNEW THERE WAS COMMERCIAL NEXT DOOR TO THE RIGHT OF THIS PROPERTY IS A BORROWED PIT WHICH WILL NEVER BE DEVELOPED BECAUSE IT'S A IT'S A CATCH BASED UPON IT'S THERE ON THE BACKSIDE. THIS ACTUALLY TOUCHES MIXED USE ONE LITTLE CORNER IT DOES DOES CONNECT TO SOME MIXED USE. AND I'VE GOT THE GSI OPEN RIGHT NOW WHEN I GO THERE AND IT POPS UP WITH A PIN AND THE NUMBER AND A STATUS TAG AND AND AREA CODE SIXTY SEVEN SAYS AREA NAME BURTON COMMERCIAL AND MIXED USE IS ACTUALLY THE NAME THAT'S LISTED IN THE GSA WHEN YOU PULL

IT UP. >> SO LOOKING AT ALL THAT KNOWING WHAT IT'S AROUND THEM I

WOULD VOTE TO APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGE COMING IN. >> ORIGINALLY I WAS AGAINST THIS WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IN COMMITTEE BUT THEN AT THE VERY, VERY END THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY SAID THAT THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY THAT IS NEXT DOOR WAS ACTUALLY THEIR LAND THAT THEY SOLD TO CREATE THAT RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. WAS THAT WAS THAT CORRECT? WELL, IT WASN'T OUR LAND. IT WAS THE LAND. WE APPROACHED FROM THE OTHER END THE REVIEW IN AND HE SOLD THAT LAND IN THE INDIVIDUAL BUILDER WAREHOUSE AS A MOVING AND STORAGE BUILDING A MOBILE HOME DEALER APPROACHED TO PURCHASE PROPERTY TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOPMENT MOBILE HOME LINES SO THAT HE COULD PACKAGE A MOBILE WHOLESALE WITH THE LAND.

SO THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY WAS THERE PRIOR TO THE RESIDENT TOOK A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY BUILT FOR NINETEEN NINETY NINE ALONG THE ADJACENT PROBABLY THE STORE WAS CALLED ADAMS WAY WHICH BECAME MOBILE HOME LIVES WAS ACTUALLY SOLD IN NINETEEN NINETY TWO BEGAN DEVELOPMENT IN

99. >> THANK YOU. I MENTIONED ONE OTHER THING QUICKLY 1990 1991. THERE WAS NO RESIDENTIAL EXISTENCE ON JOE FRAZIER ROAD BETWEEN WHAT IS NOW MERGED. I THINK IT'S ZONE MIXED USE ALL THE WAY TO BE PINES.

THERE WAS NO RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAT AREA THE IT EXISTED IT WAS MOVING AND STORAGE BUSINESS IN THAT MINE AND IT HAD BEEN MY MOUTH WAS CONSTRUCTION TO GET ME DOWN HERE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CHRIS, FIRST YEAH JUST FOR A SECOND.

I'M GENERALLY AGAINST. FOR ME THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN MAY RIVER ROAD AND THIS PROPERTY WAS MADE RIVER ROAD BOUNDS AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS WERE NOT AWARE OF THAT.

AND FRANKLY I FEEL SO IN THIS CASE. BUT THAT'S THE DISTINCTION FOR ME. YEAH, I'M I GET EASILY CONFUSED BUT HAVING CONFUSING THIS FROM MY RECOLLECTION OF THE MAIN RIVER ROAD ONE WAS ORIGINALLY THERE WAS DISCUSSION, THERE WAS FIVE ZONING AND THEN WE CAME BACK AND IT WAS CONCLUDED THAT IT WAS NOT SPOT ZONING.

NOW THIS ONE ON ONE END THERE'S SOME ARGUMENTS SPOT ZONING ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU KNOW MARK MAKES A POINT ALL THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE TOUCHING ARE CLOSE TO IT.

YOU KNOW, WOULD MAKE IT NOT SPOT ZONING. SO I'M ACTUALLY KIND OF CONFUSED AS TO WHETHER IT'S SPOT ZONING OR NOT. YES.

GREEN LIGHT. THE QUESTION OF THE NIGHT IS IT SPOT ZONING? WELL, YEAH. I MEAN SAY THE REAL QUESTION IS ONLY YORK AND THE REAL ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IS ONLY YOU CAN DETERMINE THAT IF YOU FEEL THAT THE REZONING DISTRICT YOU'RE GOING TO ESTABLISH IS SO OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE USES OF THE SURROUNDING AREA IN THAT IN THAT VICINITY TO ESTABLISH A SERIES OF USES THAT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE FOR THAT AREA THAT SPOT ZONING BUT ONLY YOU COUNTY COUNCIL CAN REALLY DETERMINE THAT.

>> WE CAN TELL YOU OUR OPINION AS STAFF I THINK IS SPOT ZONING.

ROB MARCIANO THINKS THAT SPOT ZONING IS GONNA OPEN UP THIS PROPERTY TO A LOT OF USES THAT IT'S INAPPROPRIATE. THAT'S THE REASON WHY THINGS ARE CALLED GRAHAM FATHER BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE IN THAT AREA BECAUSE APPROPRIATE BECAUSE IT'S THERE AND IS IT HAS EXISTED FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AND PEOPLE WANT TO COME ALONG AND SELL IT FOR JUST ANYTHING THEY WANT TO DO AND CLAIM THAT OH WELL WE'VE BEEN THERE.

THERE'S A BIG HOLE ON THE SIDE WHERE PEOPLE MINED DIRT MANY YEARS AGO.

YOU KNOW, ADAM MAKE IT YOU KNOW IT DON'T MAKE IT APPROPRIATE IS OWNING IT.

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I MEAN GET APPROPRIATE PLANNING. SO IT IS SPOT ZONING IS INAPPROPRIATE. WE THINK IT IS GONNA OPEN UP USES UP TO TOO MANY INAPPROPRIATE USES FOR THAT COMMUNITY. YOU ARE VERY LIKELY TO HEAR ABOUT SOMETHING INAPPROPRIATE GOES IN THERE AND YOU KNOW AND IT'S FINE IF YOU ALL WANT TO RESOLVE IT BUT LET'S DON'T DEVELOP AN AMNESIA AND A FEW YEARS WHENEVER PEOPLE ARE

CALLING YOU AND SAY HEY, WHY IS THIS GOING IN THERE? >> YOU KNOW, OTHER QUESTIONS I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION IF IN FAST IT IS DEEMED TO BE SPOT ZONING THAT'S ILLEGAL.

>> CORRECT. STATE OF STATE LAW PROHIBITS SPOT ZONING.

>> YES. BUT THERE HAS TO BE A CHALLENGE TO IT.

AND SO I WOULD HAVE TO PREVAIL ON THAT ZONING. NOW ANYBODY IN THE ZONING STAFF IS NOT GOING TO APPEAL YOUR DECISION IF YOU'RE PREGNANT. I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT ANYBODY COULD COME FORWARD AND SAY THAT ZONING. >> RIGHT.

AND YOU MADE AN ILLEGAL AND YES, THEY CAN CHALLENGE OK. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> IT'S IMPORTANT.

ALL RIGHT. OK. MR. CHAIRMAN, I I.

YOU SAID QUESTIONS AND I HAVE A COMMENT ARMY RESERVE THAT OR NO WE'RE GETTING READY TO VOTE.

SO WE NEED EVERYBODY'S INPUT. >> OH YEAH. I DEFINITELY WANT TO GET AHEAD OF THE VOTE. MY COMMENT. I HAVE ACTUALLY GONE OUT THERE AND LOOKED THIS PROPERTY ALONG WITH SOME OF THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THIS BODY AND I'VE LEARNED QUITE A BIT. THE ONE THING I LEARNED WAS THAT IT'S BEEN THERE SINCE 1994. THESE FIVE OR SIX YEARS BEFORE IT WAS EVER ZONE I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WAS A OWNED WHAT IT WAS RISEN, WHAT IT WAS ZONE BECAUSE AT THAT TIME THERE WAS ALMOST NOTHING OUT THERE. IF YOU LOOK AT DRIVE UP AND DOWN JOE FRAZIER ROAD, YOU HAVE A LITTLE ENCLAVES OF TRAILERS HERE, THERE AND ABOUT AND THE ENCLAVE TRAILERS NEXT DOOR THOSE THAT ROAD THOSE TRAILERS WERE PUT THERE LONG AFTER THAT BUILDING WAS THERE AND NOT ONLY DID THEY PUT THEM THERE, THEY MOVED THEM UP WITHIN ABOUT THE PROPERTY LINE RIGHT UP AGAINST THEIR LOADING DOCK THERE. SO THE PEOPLE WHO PUT THE TRAILERS IN THERE KNEW ABSOLUTELY THE PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT ABSOLUTELY KNEW THAT THEY WERE RIGHT NEXT TO A COMMERCIAL BUILDING WAS NEVER ANY DOUBT ABOUT THAT. SO BEYOND THE QUESTION OF WHY WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED, WHAT IT WAS WHAT WHAT IT WAS ZONED. FAST FORWARD TO 2005 AND ORIGINALLY WAS JUST ONE BUILDING THERE NIGHT I GUESS 19 1984 WHENEVER IT WAS THE FAST FORWARD SIX YEARS AFTER ZONING TO 2000 FIVE. AND AT THAT TIME THE OWNERS WHO DID NOT KNOW WHAT THEY WERE ISONE MAN HAD NO WAY OF KNOWING BUT THEY DID GO INTO THE ZONING. WHAT WAS THEN THE NATURAL RESOURCES DEPARTMENT NOW THAT DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT ASKED FOR ASKED FOR A PERMIT TO BUILD A SECOND BUILDING IN THEIR SECOND COMMERCIAL BUILDING AND THEY WERE GRANTED PERMISSION 2005 TO BUILD A SECOND COMMERCIAL BUILDING. THAT WAS. THAT SHOULD TELL US A LOT.

I MEAN WHAT WHAT WERE THEY THINKING IF IT WAS IF IT WAS A NONCONFORMING USE 1990 9 WHY DID THE COUNTY MEET A SECOND COMMERCIAL BUILDING TO BE BUILT THERE IN 2005 IN THE BANK? THE BANK ISSUED A MORTGAGE WHICH MEANS THEY DID A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DUE DILIGENCE TITLE SEARCH ETC.. BRIAN COULD SPEAK TO THIS BETTER THAN I CAN.

BUT THEY ISSUED A MORTGAGE. NOW FAST FORWARD TO 2007. THEY WENT BACK TO BEAUFORT COUNTY AND SAY WE WANT TO BUILD A THIRD COMMERCIAL BUILDING THERE AND BEAUFORT COUNTY APPROVED IT GIVEN THE PERMIT THEY BUILT ITS THIRD COMMERCIAL BUILDING THERE IN 2007 AGAIN BACK TO THE BANK, DID THEIR DUE DILIGENCE, FOUND NOTHING WHEN HE HAD ISSUED A MORTGAGE.

SO THERE'S THAT BACKGROUND. THE SECOND THING I WOULD POINT OUT IT HAS BEEN POINTED OUT IS ON ONE SIDE CALLED MORAL PITS AND CALLED A HOLE IN THE GROUND IS JUST A NASTY HOLE IN THE GROUND WITH THE STAGNANT WATER IN IT. OBVIOUSLY IT'LL NEVER BE DEVELOPED BECAUSE THE DIRT WAS TAKEN OUT OF IT TO BUILD THE WAL-MART HERE.

ON THE OTHER ON THE OTHER SIDE ACROSS THE ROAD WHICH HASN'T BEEN MENTIONED THAT'S OWNED BY BEAUFORT COUNTY POWERS AS I UNDERSTAND IT. AND THERE'S A PARK WAY BACK WAY BACK BEYOND YOU CAN'T SEE THE PARK ROAD BUT THERE'S A PARK GO BACK FAR ENOUGH.

YOU RUN INTO A PARK. SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE DEVELOPED.

THE ONLY THING THAT'S THERE'S ARGUABLY RESIDENTIAL IS THAT THERE'S TRAILERS ON THAT.

ON THE ONE SIDE FACING THE BUILDING TO BE ON THE LEFT AND THEY WERE PUT THERE LONG AFTER THAT BUILDING WAS THERE WITH THE FULL KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING THERE WAS MERCIFULLY NEXT. SO I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THE DEBATE ABOUT WHETHER IT'S SPOT ZONING OR NOT BECAUSE I'M NOT SMART ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT.

I THINK ERIC MADE THE POINT WE CAN MAKE THAT DECISION. THIS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.

SO I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE I THINK I THINK NUMBER ONE I THINK WAS ITS IN THE

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FIRST PLACE. NUMBER TWO, THERE'S BEEN A LONG HISTORY OF ACTIONS ON THE PART OF THE COUNTY, THE SUPPORT BEING COMMERCIAL OR AT LEAST AT LEAST TWO TO TEACH TO OUR CENTER. AND THIRDLY BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS EXPRESSED IN THE LAST PLAY AT THE NATURAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE ABOUT WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE BUILT NEXT TO THEM. AND I THINK THANK YOU, ROB, FOR CLARIFY THAT THE FELLOW THAT WANTED TO BUY INTO THE ORGANIZATION WANT TO BUY SOME TIME AGO PUT IN A BODY SHOP AUTO BODY SHOP AND THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER MAYBE WE COULD DO ANOTHER.

WE COULDN'T DO THAT BECAUSE BECAUSE THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE AS ROB POINTED OUT, WHICH MEANS THEY'RE TOO CLOSE TO THE NEXT PROPERTY AND THEY COULDN'T PUT IT IN.

IT'S A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT MIGHT BE CONCERNING TO SOMEBODY I DON'T KNOW.

BUT IF SOMEBODY CAN'T BE PUT IN THERE BECAUSE IT IS A CONDITIONAL USE AND THERE'S TOO CLOSE TO IT TO THE NEXT PROPERTY. SO FOR THAT REASON AND MANY OTHERS AND I GET ASKED A LOT OF TIME LOOKING I WANT TO BE FAIR TO THE OWNERS THAT WOULD BE FAIR TO BE FOR COUNTY. I'M GOING TO HAVE I MUST SUPPORT THIS REQUEST FOR REZONING, OK? ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NOW THAT I WAS ONLY ABLE GIVEN THAT RIGHT AWAY LOOK. GO AHEAD TO MR. PLAN. LET HIM GO.

GO AHEAD. YEAH. I HAVEN'T BEEN GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO MATTER AND PAUL REALLY ELOQUENTLY HIT JUST ABOUT EVERY POINT THAT I WANTED TO MAKE EXCEPT THAT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT ADDITIONALLY THAT THAT MUST HAVE BEEN SOME KIND OF A MISTAKE AND I'D LOVE TO SEE THE MINUTES OF ANY MEETING, ANY COUNCIL MEETING OR ANY COMMITTEE MEETING WHERE WHERE THE THE THE IDEA OF ZONING THIS RESIDENTIAL WAS DISCUSSED BECAUSE I CAN'T IMAGINE ANYBODY WHO KNEW THE AREA WOULD HAVE ZONED THIS AS RESIDENTIAL WHEN CLEARLY IT HAD BEEN USED FOR AT LEAST SEVEN YEARS AT THE POINT OF THE FIRST ZONING OF THIS PROPERTY AS RESIDENTIAL IT WAS FOR AT LEAST SEVEN YEARS HAVE BEEN USED AS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. SO I'D LOVE TO SEE THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING WHERE THAT WAS OVERRULED WAITING IF THIS PASSES THE NIGHT WE CAN GIVE THAT TO YOU AT SCOTT MEETING. AND ALSO I NEED TO LOOK AT THE RESEARCH ON THE ISSUANCE PERMANENT BECAUSE THAT DOES NOT SOUND CORRECT TO ME WITH REGARDS TO THE TWO EXPANSIONS TO A ADDITIONAL BUILDERS BECAUSE OF A BUILDING HIS GRANDFATHER THE EXPANSIONS ARE

LIMITED. >> SO I'VE GOT TO LOOK INTO THAT AS WELL.

SO I WOULD RECOMMEND IF YOU ALL WANT TO US TO DO THAT YOUR FIRST READING IN A NIGHT AND LET US EVALUATE IT AT SECOND READING AND TELL YOU WHAT HE TELLS OUR JERROLD YOU HAD YOUR

HAND UP. >> YOU KNOW, IN PAUL'S DESCRIPTION OF THE PROPERTY'S BOTH HE AND BRIAN GAVE A DESCRIPTION BUT IT'S NOT TOTAL ALL WAS CORRECT WHEN HE SAYS THAT THERE'S SOME OLDER HOMES BASICALLY TO THE WEST OF SOUTHWEST OF THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING AS YOU AS YOU GO DOWN JOE FRAZIER ROAD HEADED THROUGH LAUREL BAY, THE MOBILE HOMES ON THAT THAT SIDE ON THE WEST SOUTHWEST SIDE OF IT. BUT AS YOU COMING DOWN JOE FRAZIER, YOUR ROAD TO THIS PROPERTY THERE IS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF IT HEADED TOWARD BROADER BOULEVARD. AND SO THE PROPERTY SITS IN BETWEEN THOSE MOBILE HOME AND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT SO THAT THERE IS A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY THAT ROB WAS SPEAKING UP THAT THAT THIS PROPERTY SITS IN THE MIDDLE OF MOBILE HOMES ON ONE SIDE AND A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE OTHER SIDE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT SO THAT WE HAVE A TRUE PICTURE OF WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE VOTE. I THREE MEN OF GOOD IN THE BUILDING WHERE I'M A CO-OWNER OF THE PROPERTY BUT AFTER THE DISCUSSION NOW WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP IS WHY WERE WE GIVING T TO R WHEN THAT PUT US IN A NONCONFORMING STATUS WHEN WE WERE ALREADY THERE PRIOR TO THIS AND ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR UNDER T TO SEE WOULD PUT US IN A CONFORMING STATUS BECAUSE WAREHOUSING IS LISTED UNDER T TO R C THAT'S REALLY ALL.

>> I MEAN AFTER ALL THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT'S TAKEN PLACE AND YES IN NINETEEN NINETY NINE WHEN WHEN THEY CAME THROUGH AND REASON NOBODY TOLD US WHAT WE WERE.

NOBODY TOLD US THAT WERE TWO OR TWO WE DIDN'T KNOW THIS UNTIL FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING INTO WHAT WAS TAKING PLACE WHAT COULD TAKE PLACE AND EVEN UNDER T TO SEE

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YOU KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS THAT GOES TOWARDS SOME OF THESE BUSINESSES THAT THEY CAN'T COME IN NEAR. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST NOT OPEN TO ANY AND EVERY BUSINESS TO BE ALLOWED TO COME IN HERE UNDER T TO RC BUT UNDER T TO SEE IT WOULD PUT US IN A CONFORMING STATUS AS A MOVING AND STORAGE COMPANY THAT WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR OVER TWENTY FIVE YEARS. BUT YET WE GET PENALIZED FOR TRYING TO BE CONFORMING BUSINESS BECAUSE OF WHAT SOMEBODY DID IN 1990 OR NOT. AND I'M LIKE PAUL RYAN.

YOU KNOW, WE WERE JUST IT WAS A MISTAKE AND NINE IN NINETEEN NINETY NINE SO YOU WE GOT OVERLOOKED OR DIDN'T GET LOOKED AT AT ALL AND THEY GAVE US T TO OR WHERE WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN NINETEEN NINETY NINE T TO OR C BECAUSE WHAT WAS BEING DONE AND OPERATED ON THAT PROPERTY IN

NINETEEN NINETY. >> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE

VOTE. >> JUSTIN. SORRY COULD I SPEAK.

YEAH. WELL I SIGNED UP. GLAD.

I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT YES WE DO HAVE RESIDENTS AND OUR RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN THERE FOR OVER 20 YEARS. THERE'S BEEN NO COMPLAINTS ON OUR PART OR THEIR PART WITH US EXISTING ON THAT PROPERTY. WE'VE BEEN WE'VE BEEN GOOD NEIGHBORS.

WE LIMIT OUR TIME HOURS OF THE DAY WORKING. WE DON'T WORK ON THE WEEKENDS.

WE DON'T WORK ON THE HOLIDAYS AT 330 ANY TRUCK TRAFFIC IS ELIMINATED FROM OUR PROPERTY.

WE AGAIN OUR PROPERTY ALSO CONSISTS OF TWO RESIDENTS THAT ARE RENTAL PROPERTIES AT ONE TIME OUR SECRETARY LIVE THERE AND ALL OF OUR CHILDREN AS THEY WERE WORKING FOR US LIVE THERE.

WE HAVE ABOUT AN 800 FOOT BUFFER FROM THE REAR OF OUR PROPERTY TO THE MIXED USE PROPERTY IN CHEROKEE FARMS WHICH WILL REMAIN. THE PROPERTY IS ALSO BUILT OUT.

YOU CANNOT GO IN THERE AND BUILD ANY MORE BUILDING STRUCTURES OR ANYTHING ON THE PROPERTY ALSO WITH THE T2 TO RC THERE ARE SO MANY CONDITIONS THAT YOU ARE NOT GONNA HAVE ANYTHING AS FAR AS ODOR NOISES OR ARE STATIC JUST RUBBISH. AS YOU CAN SEE WE NEVER LAID THE FIRST PIECE OF CONCRETE DOWN. WE NEVER LAID A FIRST ASPHALT DOWN BECAUSE WE WANTED TO KEEP. WE BOUGHT IT AS RURAL PROPERTY AND WE'VE KEPT IT AS RURAL

PROPERTY FOR 27 HERE LIKE OK. >> BRIAN, YOU MADE THE MOTION SO YOU WILL GO FIRST.

GAS PAUL, YOU MADE THE SECOND. YES, LOGAN YES. MR. DAWSON.

NO, MR. GLOVER NO. MR. HERBERT JOHN I CHANGED MY MIND.

I MEAN YES, MISS HOWARD. >> NO, MR. LAWSON, OUR LOST AND YES.

MR.. YES, MR ROBERT. YES.

AND THE CHAIR IS GOING TO SAY YES. SO WE HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN. YES. AND ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR.

NO. THE MOTION IS SUCCESSFUL. GREAT.

HE KNOWS THREE GREENHOUSE. ONLY THREE HE KNOWS BECAUSE THE VOTE IS GREEN.

A LOOKS LIKE A THREE. NO DOUBT TWICE. SORRY ABOUT THAT.

SO IT'S EIGHT. THREE. >> LAST ITEM.

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MAY I HAVE A MOMENT, MR. GERALD SUTTON STILL MADE THE MOTION AND YORK MADE THE SECOND.

>> IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION WORKED? WELL, TEN YEARS AGO I DID NOT HAVE THE STRONGEST AGREEMENT. MR. FLOWING. DID YOU SAY THAT WITHOUT

OBJECTION, SIR. >> THIS IS GOING TO BE DONE WITHOUT OBJECTION.

I SEE NO OBJECTIONS. >> THEREFORE ITEM NUMBER NINETEEN PASSES WE'RE AT THE

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>> YES, MA'AM. HAS BEEN TOPIC YOUR TURN. YOU GET THIS ONE IS MY PERSONAL AND ONE IS THE COMMUNITY. I'LL TALK ABOUT MY COMMUNITY CONCERN FIRST.

FIRST SOME GENTLEMAN CAME INTO OUR AREA ABOUT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

>> AND I WAS HOPING THAT I COULD GET SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON HIS PLAN.

SO I WENT TO SEVERAL PLACES TODAY TRYING TO GET SOME INFORMATION AND I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THESE AREAS BUT I THOUGHT I WAS PRETTY NICE. SOMETIMES WHEN I SAY THINGS PEOPLE DON'T LIKE NONE. BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT A WOMAN NICE ENOUGH SO ANYTHING. ANYWAYS, I WENT TO A COUPLE OF THE BUILDINGS.

I MADE A REQUEST FOR DOCUMENTS ABOUT. AFTER READING SOME OF THIS I WANTED TO GATHER INFORMATION ON AN AREA OF CONCERNS ABOUT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHICH IS WHAT BEAUFORT COUNTY ACTUALLY DOES I THINK IS EASY TO PAY FOR SERVICES FOR PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. AND WHAT HAPPEN IS THE PEOPLE AT BEAUFORT COUNTY AT YOUR OFFICES THEY CALL THE POLICE OVER AT ONE OF THE OFFICE. I WASN'T RUDE AND I WASN'T KIND . I JUST WANTED INFORMATION AND YOU ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENS.

A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE LEAVE HOME WHEN IT HAS TO DO WITH PEOPLE THAT LOOKS LIKE ME.

THEY WILL KILL US. SO I AM AFRAID SOMETIMES WHEN PEOPLE CALL THE POLICE ON ME NOW THE OTHER THING IS THAT WE WHEN WE HAD THE MEETING WE GOT TO ADDRESS OUR CONCERNS AND BERT SAID HELEN DID. SO WE WERE REQUESTING A JOINT MEETING FOR BURTON AND FOR HELEN. THE OTHER THING WAS COMPREHENSIVE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADDRESSES COOPERATING UNINCORPORATED AREAS SINCE I DON'T KNOW MAYBE GIVE ME INFORMATION ON THAT. BUT WHEN I WENT TO THE RECREATION CENTER TO REQUEST A PLACE WHERE WE CAN MEET AS A GROUP TO DISCUSS THE PLAN, THEY SAID THAT I HAVE TO PAY A HUNDRED SEVENTY DOLLARS TO USE A RUN FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO USE THE RECREATIONAL CENTER ONE OF THE ROOMS I HAVE TO PAY A HUNDRED AND SEVENTY DOLLARS AND

I HAD TO COME BLASTED THE CONTACT BLUFF AND I MET BURTON. >> THEY ARE BEFORE SO I COULD CONTACT YOU. YOUR TIME IS UP. YOU DID NOT IDENTIFY YOURSELF.

WE JUST CAME TO THIS I. MY RESIDENCE HAS BEEN HERE FOR MULTIPLE YEARS.

MY LAST NAME IS GIBBS AND I DON'T HAVE A JOB MAINLY BECAUSE I HAD TO MOVE TO FLORIDA TO GET A JOB TO PAY MY TAXES HERE IN EVERY COUNTY BECAUSE I COULDN'T GET A JOB HERE.

IT DOES MEAN THAT I DON'T WANT TO BE HERE AT HOME BECAUSE THIS IS MY HOME.

BUT I HAVE TO WORK WHERE I CAN GET WORK SO I WORK WHERE I CAN. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND ALSO WHILE I GUESS YOU DON'T WANT BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A JOINT MEETING AND WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO GIVE FURTHER INPUT ON THIS WHAT YOU CALL A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH NO REAL GOALS, NO REAL OBJECTIVES, NO REAL NOTHING AND ALSO HOW DO I TRY TO GET SOME INFORMATION ON WHAT THE RFP THAT YOU ALL TO REQUESTS THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN?

I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHERE I GET THIS. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS . I NEVER GOT TO DO MY PERSONAL AT THE END OF THE NIGHT.

WE'RE NOW OUT OF TIME. IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS BY COUNCIL?

>> SAYING NO, JUST WHAT HAPPENED WAS HIM? >> YES.

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IS. SANDY 0 9. MEANING ALL OF US.

AND I THINK YOU REALLY PERSONALLY SPEAKING. YOU DO A DISSERVICE BY NOT ALLOWING HER TO GO FIRST COMMENT BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS THAT WAS PERTAINING TO THE AGENDA. SO SHE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN EARLY ON TONIGHT GONE AND BEEN HOME.

SO BUT SHE STAYED HERE ALL NIGHT WITH US TO GET MY PERSONAL.

I WAS TALKING ABOUT COMMUNITY. YEAH, BUT SHE'S BEEN THERE ALL NIGHT SO YOU KNOW, I'LL STAY HERE AND WAIT. YEAH. YEAH I'M HERE TOO.

I PERSONALLY WOULD GIVE YOU THREE MINUTES. >> WOULD THAT BE OK? THAT'S FINE. OK. MY PERSONAL PROBLEM WITH COMMUTE WOULD BE RE KELLY IS THAT YOU GUYS PUT MY NAME ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT I HAVE NO CONTROL OF . NO. MY NAME IS ON YOUR DOCUMENTS THAT I OWN A PIECE OF PROPERTY WHICH IS A MOBILE HOME. AND HERE IT IS.

I NEVER KNEW THAT THE MOBILE WAS NOT IN MY NAME. SO WHEN I MOVED FLOYD I TOLD ALL THOSE PEOPLE OVER THERE THAT I HAD HOMESTEAD IN BEAUFORT.

>> SOMEHOW YOU ALL GAVE ME A HOST PROPERTY THAT DON'T BELONG TO ME.

BUT EVERY TIME I COME HERE TO THIS COUNTY TO CHANGE MY ADDRESS I THOUGHT I WAS CHANGING MY PLACE WHERE I LIVE . OVER THE PAST 20 YEARS I'VE BEEN IN FLOYD AND I COME BACK HOME AND YOU TALK IN IT. THEY TIMES ME TWENTY TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS DOING MILL THIS PANDEMIC AND I DON'T EVEN OWN THE PROPERTY.

I CAN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES ON THAT PROPERTY. IT'S A MOBILE HOME.

AND WHEN I GO DOWN TO TWO MOTOR VEHICLE THEY CAN'T GIVE ME NO NAME INFORMATION BECAUSE MY

NAME ISN'T ON IT. >> NO. I COME TO THE COUNTY AND THEY SAY WELL GET AN ATTORNEY. SO WITH THIS MAN DILLMAN SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT YEAH.

YOU GUYS ARE BEING SUED BECAUSE YOU'RE NEVER WILLING TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE WHO COME BEFORE YOU. AND I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO GET ATTORNEY FOR ERROR THAT YOU OWE ME ONE? AND WHY AM I HAVING TO PAY TWENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS TWENTY TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS BECAUSE YOU GUYS FAILED TO TAKE MY NAME OFF OF A PIECE OF PAPER PROPERTY TAXES. THEY'RE ASKING YOU FOR THE PROPERTY TAXES THAT THAT FLOYD IS SAYING THAT IF YOU GUYS TEST ME THEN THEY WOULDN'T TAX ME.

BUT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING THAT YOU GOT YOU GOT YOU HAD TWO PROPERTIES.

WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? YOU WERE YOU'VE HAD THIS COME TO THIS PROPERTY HOMESTEAD.

YEAH. YOU HAD THE HOMESTEAD IN TWO STATES.

SO WHAT? ONE OF THE IS NOT MINE THAT THE HOMESTEAD IS ON.

IT'S NOT IN MY NAME. I CAN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES. MY HOME THAT I PURCHASED AND SOLD OFF IN FLORIDA. I TOLD THEM I HAD A HOMESTEAD IS WRITTEN ON THE ANTHONY CASE.

I WASN'T HIDING. SO WHY DO I HAVE TO PAY TWENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS WHEN HE SHOULD HAVE CALLED YOU A LIAR AND LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT I HAD. I HAD REQUESTED A HOMESTEAD IN FLORIDA. THEY DIDN'T CALL YOU OUT. OH, HE'S ASKING YOU FOR MONEY.

FLORIDA FLOYD IS NURSING TWENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS. >> FORGET IT.

THEY ALREADY PUT IT ON MY HOUSE. I UNDERSTAND THAT IS FORCING ME TO PAY MY SNOW WENT FROM A SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLARS TO TWO THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED.

THAT'S ALL I KNOW. >> THAT'S WHY THEY SUGGESTED THAT YOU OBTAIN THE SERVICES OF AN ATTORNEY BECAUSE YOU NEED TO HAVE LEGAL ADVICE ON HOW TO RESOLVE THIS SITUATION.

>> YOU CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT A LAWYER. THAT'S WHY THEY TOLD YOU THAT.

NOW IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD ONE, THERE ARE LEGAL SERVICES HERE CALLED EVERYBODY AND WE HAVE GOT TO TELL YOU WHERE THEY ARE. IF YOU WANT TO GO THERE AND SEE THEM THAT HELP YOU I CALLED AROUND WOULD YOU GO THERE AND SEE THEM? SO IF WE TELL YOU WHERE THEY ARE YOU'LL GO AND VISIT THEM AS WELL. IT'S LEGAL SERVICES LEGAL SERVICES. BUT WE'LL TELL YOU WHERE IT IS. BUT YOU HAVE TO GO THERE.

NO, HERE IN BEAUFORT COUNTY. I WAS JUST CHECKING BECAUSE I WAS OK.

>> OK. WOULD YOU JUST LEAVE YOUR PHONE NUMBER HERE FOR US AND THEN WE'LL CALL YOU AND TELL YOU WHERE TO GO TO GET ASSISTANCE TO KEVIN HAM.

[03:45:03]

GIVE ME YOUR CONTACT. SAM IS SOMEONE YOU RECENTLY RIGHT? I REMEMBER. OK, OK. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, TOM. THERE BEING NO FURTHER ACTION.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

1. CALL TO ORDER

4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA

5. ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT

7. LIAISON AND COMMITTEE REPORTS

8. APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA - PAGE 3

Items 9 & 10

9. MATTERS ARISING OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION

10. CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF THE ADMINISTRATOR’S EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT

11. RECOMMENDATION OF AWARD FOR RFP #030121 DAUFUSKIE ISLAND FERRY TRANSPORTATION SERVICES FOR BEAUFORT COUNTY ($259,000 ANNUALLY) TO HAIG POINT FERRY COMPANY, INC.

12. PUBLIC HEARING AND SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE FOR THE FY2021 BUDGET AMENDMENT VOTE AT FIRST READING: MAY 24, 2021 11:0

14. SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO MAKE APPROPRIATIONS FOR COUNTY GOVERNMENT, SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICTS FOR BEAUFORT COUNTY FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING JULY 1, 2021, AND ENDING JUNE 30, 2022 VOTE AT FIRST READING: MAY 24, 2021 11:0

15. SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO MAKE APPROPRIATES FOR BEAUFORT COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING JULY 1, 2021, AND ENDING JUNE 30, 2022. VOTE AT FIRST READING: MAY 24, 2021 10:1

16. SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION OF A QUITCLAIM DEED AND WAIVER OF REVERTER FOR REAL PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1508 OLD SHELL ROAD WITH TMS NO. R110 011 000 105A 0000

17. FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE PROPOSING AMENDMENTS TO BEAUFORT COUNTY CODE OF ORDINANCES: CHAPTER 46, ARTICLE II, SECTIONS 46.26 THROUGH 46.33

18. FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE FOR A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT/REZONING REQUEST FOR 5.23 ACRES (R100 027 000 042B 0000) AT 335 JOE FRAZIER RD FROM T2 RURAL TO T2 RURAL CENTER

19. REQUEST FOR APPROVAL FOR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO RETAIN SOUTH CAROLINA REVENUE AND FISCAL AFFAIRS OFFICE FOR SERVICES NEEDED REGARDING REDISTRICTING.

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Jun 14, 2021 County Council Regular Session

1. CALL TO ORDER

4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA

5. ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT

7. LIAISON AND COMMITTEE REPORTS

8. APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA - PAGE 3

Items 9 & 10

9. MATTERS ARISING OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION

10. CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF THE ADMINISTRATOR’S EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT

11. RECOMMENDATION OF AWARD FOR RFP #030121 DAUFUSKIE ISLAND FERRY TRANSPORTATION SERVICES FOR BEAUFORT COUNTY ($259,000 ANNUALLY) TO HAIG POINT FERRY COMPANY, INC.

12. PUBLIC HEARING AND SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE FOR THE FY2021 BUDGET AMENDMENT VOTE AT FIRST READING: MAY 24, 2021 11:0

14. SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO MAKE APPROPRIATIONS FOR COUNTY GOVERNMENT, SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICTS FOR BEAUFORT COUNTY FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING JULY 1, 2021, AND ENDING JUNE 30, 2022 VOTE AT FIRST READING: MAY 24, 2021 11:0

15. SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO MAKE APPROPRIATES FOR BEAUFORT COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING JULY 1, 2021, AND ENDING JUNE 30, 2022. VOTE AT FIRST READING: MAY 24, 2021 10:1

16. SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION OF A QUITCLAIM DEED AND WAIVER OF REVERTER FOR REAL PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1508 OLD SHELL ROAD WITH TMS NO. R110 011 000 105A 0000

17. FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE PROPOSING AMENDMENTS TO BEAUFORT COUNTY CODE OF ORDINANCES: CHAPTER 46, ARTICLE II, SECTIONS 46.26 THROUGH 46.33

18. FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE FOR A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT/REZONING REQUEST FOR 5.23 ACRES (R100 027 000 042B 0000) AT 335 JOE FRAZIER RD FROM T2 RURAL TO T2 RURAL CENTER

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