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SO THIS IS THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION, WEDNESDAY, JUNE 2ND, 2021.
WE DON'T HAVE TO SAY THAT WE'RE DOING THIS ZOOM, BUT WE ARE DOING IT.
YOU SAID THAT IT'S BEING BROADCAST ON, UM, IF YOU'RE KIND OF, SO IF YOU'RE ON, I GUESS THAT'S HOW YOU LISTENING TO US.
UM, LET'S SEE, WE HAVE A CALL TO ORDER.
AND IF YOU COULD DO THAT FOR US, DARBY, PLEASE.
WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE STAY HERE OR PRESENT FOR THE RECORD.
ELAINE GALLAGHER ADAMS PRESENT JESSE SOLOMON AIRY BOX BELL, CARRIE SMELTER, PRESENT MICHAEL LOVECCHIO, BRUCE TREMPER.
YOU NOTICE REGARDING A GERMAN, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION WILL NOT HEAR NEW ITEMS AFTER NINE 30, UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS, PRESENT ITEMS WHICH NOT HAVE BEEN HEARD BEFORE NINE 30 MAKE BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OR SPECIAL MEETING DATE, AS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS NOTICE REGARDING PUBLIC COMMENTS.
EVERY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO IS RECOGNIZED TO SPEAK SHALL ADDRESS THE CHAIRMAN.
AND IN SPEAKING AVOID DISRESPECT TO THE COMMISSION STAFF AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE MEETING, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
WHEN SPEAKING FOR THE RECORD, COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES AND WE DO HAVE A, UH, ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA WHICH WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US.
AND I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION ON THAT, PLEASE.
LIKE I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE AGENDA.
I CAN THAT MOTION ANY DISCUSSIONS ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
I GUESS WE DON'T HAVE TO SAY, YOU KNOW OUR NAMES ANYMORE BECAUSE WE JUST SAY ANY OPPOSED.
WELL, I'M NOT USED TO DOING THAT ANYMORE, SO THAT'S PRETTY COOL.
AND THAT ADOPTION OF MINUTES THAT WE HAVE, UH, WRITTEN, UH, HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS HAD A CHANCE TO READ THOSE.
AND CAN I GET AN ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES PLEASE? I PROPOSE WE ADOPT THE MINUTES.
DO I HAVE HIS SECOND, SECOND THAT PROPOSAL, ANY DISCUSSIONS AND ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
SO THE MINUTES ARE ADOPTED PUBLIC COMMENTS IN REGARDS TO THIS AGENDA.
KATIE DARBY, WE CANNOT HAVE ANY PAY.
WE DO HAVE SOME FOLKS OUT THERE, SO HELLO AND HELLO OFFICER.
UM, THEN WE HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS, THE OLD BUSINESS THAT WE JUST WANTED TO DISCUSS.
WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT IT BRIEFLY IS JUST FOR THE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE.
THIS IS GOING TO BE BROADCAST ON THE PUBLIC CHANNEL FOR BUFORD.
CORRECT, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ON FACEBOOK ANYMORE, CORRECT? IT WILL BE ON THE TOWN WEBSITE.
IT'S ON THE DIFFERENT COUNTY CHANNEL.
SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE WAY YOU GOT TO WATCH IT.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO WATCH IT FROM HOME NOW.
SO NOW WE'RE INTO OUR NEW BUSINESS AND WE HAVE TWO ITEMS TODAY AND KATIE, YOU ARE THE PRESENTER.
WELL, WHEN, JUST A LITTLE HOMEWORK SINCE WE HAVEN'T BEEN AROUND FOR AWHILE, UM, IF YOU DO HAVE CELL PHONES, UM, JUST KIND OF TURN THEM OFF.
SO THEY'RE NOT BUZZING WHEN YOU'RE HERE.
OUR MONITOR IS SUPPOSED TO BE ON OR NOT.
AND WE DO HAVE EVERY MIC IS HOT.
IS THAT CORRECT? THEY SHOULD BE THE GREEN LIGHTS ON.
ONE IS A RED LIGHT, BUT IT'S NOT RECEIVING ANYTHING.
WELL, THIS CERTAINLY IS NICE TO SEE PEOPLE'S FACES AND WE'RE ALL SPLIT UP FROM, YOU KNOW, PLEXIGLASS AND YOU CAN SNEEZE RIGHT AT ME AND, OR VICE VERSA, BUT YOU ALWAYS SPRAY WHEN YOU TALK OF COURSE,
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THE NEXT MONDAY, NO HPRC THAT CAN HELP US WITH THE DIOCESE.IS THAT A MATTER OF SENDING THE BROADCAST TO MORE THAN ONE PLACE, WE HAVE THE WRITTEN STUFF IN FRONT OF US.
SO THAT HOLMES IS BEHIND US AS WELL.
I APOLOGIZE FOR THE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES THERE ON OUR FIRST MEETING BACK.
UM, I HAVE TURNED THESE A LITTLE BIT TOWARDS YOU AND THERE'S THE PAPER COPY IN FRONT OF YOU? UM, HOPEFULLY I WILL HAVE IT BIG ENOUGH ON THE SCREEN THAT, UM, WE WILL BE ABLE TO SEE IT.
THE FIRST ITEM ON HERE IS SEVEN LAWTON STREET.
IT IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION.
YOU'D LIKE TO JOIN US AT THE APPLICANT TABLE.
YOU'RE WELCOME TO AND WHO DO WE HAVE? OH, MY NAME IS ANGELA.
YOU MAY HAVE TO HAVE YOU THAT ONE.
ISN'T THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE COMING THROUGH, BUT WE'LL HAVE YOU SPEAK INTO THIS MIC IF YOU NEED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, JUST SO THAT WHEN IT'S BROADCAST, IT IS STILL SOMETHING THAT IS ABLE TO BE HEARD BY THOSE AT HOME.
SO IT IS A SITE FEATURE APPLICATION.
UM, AS YOU'RE AWARE, YOU TYPICALLY DO NOT SEE SITE FEATURE APPLICATIONS IN FRONT OF YOU.
A SITE FEATURE APPLICATION IS TYPICALLY REVIEWED AT STAFF LEVEL, UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING THAT IS NOT IN STRICT COMPLIANCE WITH THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.
SO IN THIS CASE, THE APPLICANT, UM, HAS REQUESTED THE USE OF FIBERGLASS SHINGLES ON AN EXISTING ONE STORY COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE.
IT'S LOCATED AT SEVEN LAWTON STREET, WHICH IS IN THE OLD TOWN, BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THIS IS THE LOCATION MAP YOU CAN SEE, UM, IT IS ON ONLINE STREET, ABOUT THREE LOTS OFF OF CALHOUN STREET.
AND THEN BOUNDARY STREET ACTUALLY RUNS RIGHT ALONG THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN HERE.
MOD, WHAT WAS THE, IT WAS MAMIE MIN MODS.
YES, YOU CAN SEE IT IS VERY WELL IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER, H ZONING DISTRICT SURROUNDED ON ALL FOUR SIDES BY THE SAME.
AND THEN THIS IS AN EXISTING CONDITIONS PHOTO.
I STOLE IT FROM, UM, AND SO I COULD NOT AVOID THAT TREE.
I TRIED SEVERAL DIFFERENT ANGLES.
HOWEVER, UM, THIS IS THE BUILDING THAT WE WERE, WE WERE DISCUSSING TODAY.
AND THEN THIS EXAMPLE HERE, UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING THE USE OF A FIVE V METAL ON THE BLUE PORTION HERE.
AND THEN ON THE REMAINDER OF THE ROOF, IT WOULD BE THE, UM, LANDMARK RESIDENTIAL ROOFING HERE, WHICH THIS IS THE FIBERGLASS SHINGLE.
UM, THIS IS THE PROPOSED MATERIAL.
YOU CAN SEE IT, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE HERE.
THERE IS NOT TOO MUCH DIFFERENCE IN APPEARANCE FROM ONE THAT HAS A PAPER OR A, UM, NATURAL MAT UNDERNEATH IT.
HOWEVER, IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY CALLS OUT THAT IT CAN BE EITHER ASPHALT OR METAL SHINGLES.
UM, THIS IS SPECIFICALLY A FIBERGLASS MATERIAL AND IS LISTED AS HAVING THAT FABRIC GLASS, GLASS MAT THERE.
AND THEN IN THE TECHNICAL INFORMATION CALLS OUT THAT IT IS A TWO-PIECE LAMINATED, FIBERGLASS BASED CONSTRUCTION.
SO THERE'S A DOUBLE LOCATION WHERE IT, IT SPEAKS TO THAT IT IS FIBERGLASS.
AND SO WE NEED TO BRING IT BEFORE OUR HPC IN ORDER TO, UH, REVIEW THOSE CRITERIA.
WHEN THE HPC IS REVIEWING A SITE FEATURE HD, THE, UM, CRITERIA ARE FOUND IN SECTION 3.193 OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, AND THEY HAVE THE AUTHORIZATION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
AND SO STAFF IS REQUESTING THAT DETERMINATION FROM YOU IN THE PAST AS HAS BEEN PAST PRACTICE, WE HAVE USED THESE CRITERIA IS FOR WHEN A DEVIATION IS PERMITTED FROM THE STRICT COMPLIANCE OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.
UM, IT'S THAT THE PARTICULAR NATURE OF THE PROPERTY IT'S LOCATION SIZE SETTING SHAPE OR PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS OR OTHER ASPECT OF THE PROPERTY OR ITS PROPOSED USE SUBSTANTIALLY JUSTIFIES SOME ADJUSTMENT TO THOSE STANDARDS.
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THE INTENT OF THIS SPECIFIC STANDARD CAN BE ACHIEVED ON SITE THROUGH ALTERNATIVE MEANS OR SPECIFIC DESIGN APPROACHES.AND THEN THE METHODS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT WILL EFFECTIVELY REMEDIATE OR MITIGATE ANY POTENTIAL ADVERSE EFFECTS FOR THIS.
AGAIN, THIS IS THE PROPOSED MATERIALS CUT SHEET HERE, AND THE LOCATION FOR IT WOULD BE THE MAJORITY OF THE ROOF, THE AREA THAT'S HERE IN THE YELLOW WITH THE BLUE SECTION BEING THE FIVE V METAL, THE FIVE V METAL WAS APPROVED UNDER A DIFFERENT SITE FEATURE, UM, ALONG WITH SOME HARDSCAPE AND LANDSCAPING CHANGES THAT THEY WERE PROPOSING TO THE SITE, UM, AND THEN WRAPPING THE COLUMNS ON THE FRONT, WHICH THEY ALL DID MEET THE LETTER OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE AND WAS APPROVED AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
SO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICATION.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UM, I'M HAPPY TO FLIP THROUGH SOME SLIDES.
I DIDN'T PUT EVERY SINGLE PAGE OF THE APPLICATION IN THE SLIDE SHOW BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE A LOT OF WORDS FOR A SCREEN THIS SIZE, HOWEVER IT IS AVAILABLE ON THE TOWN WEBSITE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT SITTING WITH IT IN FRONT OF THEM HERE AT THE DICE.
WE KNOW, IS THIS A CONTRIBUTING STORY? SURE.
IT IS NOT, IS NOT THE ONE NEXT DOOR IS, BUT THIS ONE IS NOT.
YOU HAVE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
THE STAFF IS, IS REQUESTING THAT THE HPC MAKE A DETERMINATION ON THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE USE OF A FIBERGLASS SHINGLE MATERIAL, OPPOSED TO AN ASPHALT OR METAL SHINGLE AS LISTED IN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, OUR DUTY TO SAY YES TO THE FIBER LASH.
UM, AND IF WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSIONS ON WHY THAT SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED OR WHAT IS, I KNOW THERE WERE, YOU HAD SOMETHING ON THERE RIGHT HERE.
OR WE WATCH SINGLES LOOK A LOT, NEEDS TO BE FIBERGLASS.
SHINGLES WERE A LITTLE SHINY AND NOW THEY'RE NOT.
SO IT'S KIND OF A DIFFERENT ANIMAL THAN MAYBE WHEN THIS WAS EVEN WRITTEN UTO.
UM, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT.
I MEAN, TO ME, TO MY EYES, I CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS AND ASPHALT.
SO AS FAR AS DISCUSSIONS GO, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, UM, REGARDING TO THE PRODUCT AS LONG AS YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.
SO I GUESS WHAT WE CAN DO IS THAT, UH, SOMEBODY CAN MAKE A MOTION.
IF, IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I HAVE A MOTION THAT WILL ALLOW, UM, FIBERGLASS.
IS THERE ANY CONCERN WITH MAY RIVER WATERSHED WITH WHATEVER THE LITTLE, UM, UH, THINGS ARE ON THERE GOING DOWN? THERE'S NOT BEEN, UM, IT WAS SENT OUT TO OUR WATERSHED DEPARTMENT AS PART OF THE ROUTING PROCESS AND THEY DID NOT PROVIDE ANY COMMENT BACK ON IT.
THIS IS A MATERIAL THAT IS FAIRLY STANDARD THROUGHOUT TOWN BECAUSE IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT, WE DO HAVE THOSE SPECIFIC STANDARDS.
WE DO HAVE TO BRING IT BEFORE YOU ALL TODAY.
I DO ASK IF WHEN YOU MAKE A MOTION, YOU CAN CLARIFY WHY THE DEVIATION IS, IS PERMITTED.
UM, SO THAT IT IS CLEAR FOR THE RECORD NOW, THE NEW TECHNOLOGY AND YOU BROUGHT UP THE LITTLE PEN.
WHAT, WHAT ARE THE LITTLE PEBBLES? ARE THEY FIBERGLASS OR YEAH, THE GRANULES.
WHAT ARE THEY JUST HARD TO HEAR ON THE RECORDING? I'M CURIOUS IF THEY'RE ACTUAL MINERAL MATERIALS OR IF THEY'RE FIBERGLASS OR MINERAL MATERIALS.
THE FIBERGLASS IS THE MAIN STRUCTURE OF THE SHINGLE THAT IS SATURATED WITH THE ASPHALT AND THE GRANULES WOULD BE THE PROTECTIVE LAYER ADDED ON TOP TO PROVIDE THE COLOR, THE SHADING AND ALSO PROTECTION TO THE ASPHALT, WHICH IS THE ONE PROVIDING THE PLASTIC.
ANY LANE THAT'S LISTED, UM, I JUST FOUND THE LOCATION WHERE IT IS IN THE HIGHLIGHTED AREA ON YOUR SCREEN, WHICH IS VERY SMALL.
IT SAYS, UM, LANDMARK SIRI SHINGLES ARE COMPOSED OF A FIBERGLASS MATTE BASE.
CERAMIC COATED, MINERAL GRANULES ARE TIGHTLY EMBEDDED IN A CAREFULLY REFINED WATER RESISTANT ASPHALT.
TWO PIECES OF THE SHINGLE ARE FIRMLY LAMINATED TOGETHER IN A SPECIAL, TOUGH ASPHALTIC CEMENT, ALL LANDMARK HAVE A SELF SEALING ADHESIVES.
OH, SO THE FIREWALL IS JUST THE BASE.
MORE OR LESS ASPHALT SHINGLES, MORE OR LESS.
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HAVE THE, THE TWO PLY.AND SO IT IS TECHNICALLY IN BOTH PIECES OF THIS, CORRECT.
SO IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, IT SEEMS LIKE, UH, EMOTION AND THEN INCLUDING, UH, PROBABLY DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD? I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THIS SUBSTITUTION AND MATERIALS BASED ON THE FACT THAT THEY ARE FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES, 90% ASPHALT SHINGLE FROM THE LOOKS OF IT THAT THEY'RE VERY, VERY CLOSE TO AN ASPHALT SHINGLE.
SECOND THE MOTION OR ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? SO ALL IN FAVOR.
SO YOU'RE READY TO GO PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE.
I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH THE APPROVAL LETTERS FROM IF YOU'D LIKE TO JOIN US.
AND IT'S JUST YOU TODAY, JAMES JAMES, WHEN YOU HANDED ME THIS, DOES IT HAVE THOSE POINTS ON IT BY CHANCE? THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
I HADN'T PLUGGED IT IN YET THOUGH.
AND NOW THIS IS, UH, WE'VE LOOKED AT OTHER PROPERTIES IN HERE AND NOW THIS IS FOR BUILDING, UM, THREE.
AND IT'S THE THIRD ONE WE'VE LOOKED AT THE FOURTH BUILDING.
HUH? IS THIS THE, THIS IS THE FOURTH YEAR WE'VE SEEN.
YEAH, THERE'S AN EXISTING, WELL, THERE'S ACTUALLY FOUR TOTAL, BUT THIS ONE IS ACTUALLY TO BUILD, RIGHT? OH, THAT'S RIGHT.
THIS IS THE LAST ONE OF ALL THE BUILDINGS.
THIS IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW TWO AND A HALF STORY MIXED USE BUILDING OF APPROXIMATELY 5,423.
HE DID SQUARE FEET A LOT, UM, LOCATED AT FIVE MARIANO WAY, WHICH IS BUILDING THREE IN THE OLD VILLAGE SQUARE DEVELOPMENT.
IT IS IN THE OLD TOWN, BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND IT IS ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL HD.
SO YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS IS THE PROPERTY.
UM, WE HAVE SEEN THIS PROPERTY A FEW TIMES NOW WITH THE ZONING MAP, IT IS HERE IN THE ORANGE AND YOU CAN SEE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER ON THE SITE PLAN.
THE POINT IN THAT PARCEL COMES DOWN.
SO THE POINT THAT YOU SEE HERE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN OR THE BOTTOM OF THE PARCEL, ESSENTIALLY AN EASEMENT TO THE MAY RIVER ROAD, OKAY.
IS A PORTION OF PROPERTY THAT EXTENDS TO THE MAY RIVER ROAD.
IT'S NOT A DRIVEWAY, RIGHT? CORRECT.
IT IS A PEDESTRIAN ACCESS THERE.
SO THE BUILDING WE ARE REVIEWING TONIGHT IS BUILDING THREE AND I HAVE ZOOMED IN ON IT HERE SO THAT YOU CAN SEE IT BECAUSE I'VE GOTTEN USED TO THAT WITH MY ZOOM MEETINGS AT HOME.
SO AS YOU GUYS WERE MENTIONING, THIS IS THE VERY FIRST BUILDING THAT WAS BUILT IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, IT HAS BEEN THERE FOR SEVERAL YEARS, THEN BUILDING TWO WAS REVIEWED AND APPROVED.
UM, AND THEN FOLLOWING THAT WE REVIEWED BUILDING FIVE, I BELIEVE FOUR.
AND NOW WE WERE LOOKING AT THREE.
IT MAY HAVE BEEN FOUR OR FIVE.
AND NOW THREE, AGAIN, JUST AS A NOTE, THIS HAS BEEN ALL PRE-APPROVED FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THESE BUILDINGS.
WE'RE JUST SIMPLY APPROVING THE BUILDING.
THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT, THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN PLACE WHICH ALLOWED FOR THE BUILDING PADS IN THIS LOCATION.
IT WAS GOING TO BE A COMMERCIAL TENANT SPACE.
THE SECOND FLOOR PLAN HAVING TWO RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND THE LOFT FLOOR.
THIRD FLOOR OF THE STRUCTURE HAS TWO TENANTS HERE AS WELL.
AND THE ROOF PLANS AGAIN, I WILL GO BACK THROUGH THESE MORE SLOWLY AS, AS WE REVIEW THEM A BIT, BUT THE FRONT ELEVATION HERE.
SO THERE IS A MINOR TWEAK WITH THE PLANS.
WHAT YOU ARE REVIEWING TONIGHT ARE THE PLANS THAT ARE IN YOUR PACKET AND ON THIS SCREEN, UM, THEY ARE THE PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED.
UM, HOWEVER, THE HPRC DID REQUEST A FEW THINGS FROM THE APPLICANT AT THEIR HPRC MEETING.
UM, AND THE APPLICANT HAS MOVED TO TRY AND ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE ITEMS. AND SO I HAVE A SET OF PLANS THAT HE BROUGHT WITH HIM TONIGHT.
UM, I HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THEM ENTIRELY.
I LOOKED AT HIM FOR A COUPLE OF SECONDS BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED, UM, IN HOPES TO POSSIBLY HELP ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS AND HOW HE PROPOSES TO
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WORK THOSE ITEMS INTO THE DESIGN TO MAKE IT MEET THE CRITERIA FOR CLARIFICATION.SO THEREFORE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS WHAT WE ACTUALLY REVIEWED ON HPRC, THE COMMENTS THAT HELPED ME OUT.
SO THIS IS A SECOND, A SECOND VERSION.
UM, HOWEVER, THERE IS A THIRD VERSION WHICH WE HAVE NOT REVIEWED AND IS NOT WHAT THE MOTION CAN BE MADE OFF OF TONIGHT.
HOWEVER, IF THE HPC FEELS COMFORTABLE WITH HOW HE'S ADDRESSING THESE ITEMS, IT COULD BE APPROVED AT A STAFF LEVEL, WHICH WITH H P R C OVERSIGHT, BECAUSE HPRC AGAIN HAS NO APPROVAL AUTHORITY.
IT'S ONLY THREE MEMBERS OF THE FULL SEVEN MEMBER COMMISSION, BUT THE HP RC COULD PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS FITS HE'S BROUGHT THOSE BEFORE US TONIGHT SO THAT YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THEM.
SO THE FULL COMMISSION CAN SEE THEM, BUT ANY EMOTION THAT IS MADE NEEDS TO BE OFF OF THE ONES THAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT IN YOUR PACKET AND ON YOUR SCREEN.
AND AS WE GET A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, I PROMISE I CAN HELP YOU A BIT WITH THAT.
IT WAS A LITTLE CONFUSING, CAN REFERENCE SOME OF THE, SORRY THAT ONE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE WORKING.
I WAS OUT OF TOWN WHEN THESE WERE SUBMITTED.
I RECEIVED KATIE'S COMMENTS YESTERDAY AND I REVIEWED THEM THIS MORNING AND HAD A PANIC ATTACK, UH, MAINLY BECAUSE THIS SUBMITTAL APPEARS AS IF WE COMPLETELY IGNORED ALL OF THE THINGS THAT YOU GAVE US AS FEEDBACK AT THE HPRC, WHICH WE DID NOT.
UM, AND SO I PERFECTLY ACCEPT THE FACT THAT WE ARE REVIEWING THE DRAWINGS ON YOUR SCREEN, BUT I DID BRING COPIES OF THE DRAWINGS THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO BE SUBMITTED FOR REFERENCE ONLY OBVIOUSLY YOU WON'T BE APPROVING THOSE DRAWINGS, BUT FOR INSTANCE, ONE OF THE COMMENTS IS THE COLUMN SPACING IS HORIZONTAL, NOT VERTICAL.
IT WOULD APPEAR THAT WE COMPLETELY IGNORED THAT COMMENT IN THE HPRC.
AND I APOLOGIZE, ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS JUST THAT IS WE JUST AN HPRC, WE MADE COMMENTS, UH, THOSE WERE NOT INCLUDED IN WHAT WE'RE REVIEWING.
SO THEREFORE THEY WEREN'T IGNORED.
THEY JUST WEREN'T PUT INTO THIS SUBMITTAL.
SO KATIE BASICALLY MADE COMMENTS, YOUR COLUMN SPACINGS WRONG IS WRONG.
AND SO I BROUGHT A COPY OF HOW WE WOULD PROPOSE TO FIX THAT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW IT.
CAUSE SOMETIMES IT'S EASIER TO SEE A PICTURE THAN TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO ONLY, OR DO WE HAVE A PDF? I BROUGHT FLASH DOCS AS WELL, SO WE COULD LOOK AT THEM.
AND AGAIN, I JUST PERSONALLY WANT TO APOLOGIZE.
I HAD AN ABSOLUTE PANIC ATTACK AT LUNCHTIME TODAY AND REACH OUT TO KATIE AND SAID, OH MY GOSH, IT LOOKS LIKE WE, UH, WERE RUDE AND DIDN'T RESPOND.
SO WE ACTUALLY MADE ALL THE CHANGES YOU ASKED FOR REGARDING THE CORNICE, SIMPLIFYING THE DETAILS, MAKING IT A TRADITIONAL ARCH, FIXING THE COLUMN, SPACING.
UM, BUT YOU WOULDN'T KNOW IT BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T GET THE DRAWINGS.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE COMMENTS THAT WE MADE OR ANY OTHER COMMENTS THAT ARE ADDITIONALLY GOING TO BE MADE AND PRETENDING THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT MEETING.
I MEAN, IF WE HAVE THE SAME COMMENTS THAT WE HAD AT HPRC, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT COMMENT IN THE MOTION, RIGHT? AND, AND THE STAFF STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, I'M SKIPPING ALL OF THE PAGES HERE.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SCREEN, ONE MOMENT CAN NOW ALSO YOU'RE SAYING THAT WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT IF THE MOTION, ANYTHING THAT'S DONE FOR THE MOTION CAN BE APPROVED BY HPRC OR CAN'T WE JUST MAKE IT A STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
WHY DO WE HAVE TO MAKE IT AN HPRC AS STAFF? BECAUSE THEY ARE DESIGN CHANGES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED.
I WOULD PREFER THAT THERE WAS HPRC OVERSIGHT ON IT.
HOWEVER, BECAUSE THE HPRC IS NOT AN APPROVAL AUTHORITY, IT WOULD BE A STAFF APPROVAL STAFF LEVEL APPROVAL.
BUT IF THE HPRC HAS CONCERNS, WHEN IT GOES BACK TO THEM, BASICALLY WHAT THAT EXTRA LEVEL OF REVIEW ALLOWS IS THAT IF THE PLANS ARE BROUGHT TO THE HPRC, WHEN THEY'RE PLACED ON THE AGENDA AND YOU ALL LOOK AT THEM AND SAY, WHOA, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE DISCUSSED AT HPC AT ALL.
YOU CAN SEND THEM BACK TO HPC.
IT WOULD WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING AND BE PLACED ON THAT AGENDA.
SO THIS COULD ACTUALLY SHOW UP ON NOT THIS MONDAY, BUT THE FOLLOWING MONDAY IS HPRC.
IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING? YEAH.
SO THEN WE EITHER SAY, YUP, THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE OR, OR NO, THEY DEVIATE A LOT.
I'M NOT GOING TO CONFIRM THE DATE OF THAT MEETING BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A SUBMITTAL YET.
AND I NEED TO LOOK AT THE AGENDA TIMELINES THERE.
HOWEVER, THE POSSIBILITY OF IT, YES, IT WOULD.
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SHOW UP ON AN HP RC AGENDA, IF THAT IS HOW YOU CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD.SO AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE THAT THIS IS CONFUSING.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PLANS, THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT STAFF MADE, REFLECT THE PLANS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT AND THAT ARE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.
AND SO IF YOU MAKE A MOTION WITH THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, THEY IN THEORY WOULD REFLECT WHAT HE HAS PROPOSED.
UM, SO I'M GONNA, I'M GOING TO MOVE, I NEED TO SEE.
OR ARE YOU GUYS ALL CLEAR ON THIS? GOT IT.
AND I'LL MOVE THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.
AND THEN AT THE END, BEFORE ANY MOTION IS MADE, I'LL TRY AND SUMMARIZE IT A LITTLE BIT.
CLEARLY I CAN TYPE SOMETHING LIKE I HAVE A FEW TIMES IN RED, JUST SO THAT IT'S NOT PART OF THE STAFF REPORT, BUT IT IS KIND OF EXPLAINING HOW THAT GOES.
I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WE'LL BE REVIEWING CHANGES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE, MADE.
SO FOR INSTANCE, IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION, ARE YOU GOING TO BE GOING OVER THINGS EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN CORRECTED? THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS.
YES, BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT BEEN FORMALLY SUBMITTED AS CORRECTED.
SO ANYTHING THAT WE REVIEW TONIGHT HAS NOT BEEN SUBMITTED.
UM, THE, WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT ON THE SCREEN IS ALL THAT YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE A MOTION ON TONIGHT BECAUSE NOTHING ELSE HAS BEEN SUBMITTED FORMALLY THROUGH THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON VENT THIS MOVING FORWARD FROM VERY CONFUSING, TAKE ANY MORE VACATION.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST, YEAH, IT IS THIS TIME.
AND, UM, I THINK ENOUGH OF US UNDERSTAND IT, THAT WE CAN GET EMOTION OR DID THE RIGHT WAY.
LET'S START BY LOOKING AT IT IF THAT'S OKAY WITH THE COMMISSION.
AND THEN IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS ON WHAT IT IS AFTER WE'VE HAD A LITTLE TIME TO LOOK AT IT, I CAN TRY AND ANSWER THEM.
JAMES CAN TRY AND ANSWER THEM.
OR, UM, IF WORSE COMES TO WORSE AND WE ARE STILL NOT UNDERSTANDING IT, WE CAN ASK JAMES IF HE'D BE WILLING TO TABLE IT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING, THAT BEING SAID BEFORE YOU MAKE THAT DECISION, LET ME WALK THROUGH THE PRESENTATION AND JUST SEE WHAT IT IS THAT IS BEFORE US TONIGHT.
SO THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION, UM, ITEMS OF NOTE, COLUMN SPACING.
UM, THE CENTRAL DETAIL HERE, THE CORNICE DETAIL, THE REAR ELEVATION IS HERE.
THIS DOES NOT EXTEND UP INTO THE THIRD STORY AS IT HAS ON A COUPLE OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS.
SO IT DROPS THE ROOF LINE A BIT LOWER HERE, THERE ARE XING OR SHINGLES.
I GIVE UP, THERE ARE SHUTTERS ON ALL WINDOWS THAT CAN ACCEPT THEM ON THIS, ON THIS BUILDING HERE.
AND THEN THIS IS THE RIGHT ELEVATION, WHICH FACES TOWARDS THE OLDEST BUILDING IN THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN THE LEFT ELEVATION, WHICH FACES TOWARDS BUILDING FIVE.
OH, AM I I'M TWISTED, I'M SORRY.
THIS FACE IS THE OLDEST BUILDING IN THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE RIGHT ELEVATION FACES BUILDING FIVE.
SO I'VE HAD ENOUGH TIME BETWEEN THE SITE PLAN AND THE ELEVATIONS TO GET MYSELF TURNED AROUND HERE.
SO YOU'VE GOT THE BUILDING FIVE BACK HERE WITH YOUR FRONT ELEVATION FACING INTERNAL TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND THE REAL ELEVATION IS FACING THE BACK.
THIS IS THE BUILDING THAT HAS THE LARGEST SPACE BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE, UM, THE STRUCTURE.
THE OTHER ONES WERE A LOT CLOSER THERE BECAUSE THERE ARE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS ON EITHER SIDE AND IT IS RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE BEHIND IT THERE.
SO THERE'S AN EXTENDED BUFFER THERE
THEN WE HAVE OUR SERVICE YARDS.
THEY ARE SHOWN ON BOTH THE SIDE ELEVATIONS, AS WELL AS THEIRS, UM, SPACE FOR SERVICE REAR ELEVATIONS.
HERE, HERE ARE SOME ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS.
SO WE HAVE SECTIONS THROUGH HERE AS WELL AS THROUGH THE WALL.
AND THEN THE SERVICE YARD DETAIL.
I HAVE SPLICED TOGETHER SEVERAL OF THESE PAGES.
SO WHEN YOU SEE THEM IN THE PRESENTATIONS, THEY ARE NOT ON THE SAME SHEET NECESSARILY IN YOUR PLAN, BUT THIS IS HOW I CAN GET THEM BIG ENOUGH FOR YOU GUYS TO SEE THEM AND READ THEM, HOPEFULLY, AT LEAST IN PART OR SECTIONS THROUGH THE PORCH AND THROUGH WALLS, AS WELL AS THE WINDOW DETAIL.
AND THEN THERE IS A SHUTTER DETAIL.
THE SHUTTER DOG DETAIL IS ON A SEPARATE PAGE BECAUSE I CUT IT IN HALF HERE'S THE WINDOW ENDORSED SCHEDULE, SHOWING THAT ALL OF THOSE EXTERNAL DOORS, THEY ARE GOING TO BE WOOD OR METAL.
I'M SORRY, I'M ON THE WINDOWS THERE, BUT
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THEN YOU HAVE THEM HERE, UM, ALONG WITH THE STOREFRONT DETAILS, HERE'S YOUR SHUTTER DOG DOWN AT THE VERY BOTTOM.SO THAT'S WHERE I CUT IT IN HALF.
THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN SIMILAR TO THE WAY THAT WE APPROVED THE OTHER TWO BUILDINGS.
UM, WE'VE ASKED THAT YOU APPROVE ONLY THIS PAGE OF THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
UM, AS THE OTHER PAGES WERE REVIEWED WITH THE OTHER BUILDINGS, I HAVE ZOOMED IN FOR JESSE ON THE PLANT TABLE.
UM, SO THAT IS ON YOUR SCREEN AS WELL.
I MEAN, IT WAS JUST A INVASIVE PLANT, BUT NO, THIS IS MOSTLY NATIVE.
THERE'S SOME ADAPTED SPECIES, BUT NO, I MEAN, THEY'RE BUFFERING WELL, UM, GOOD GROUP WITH THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE HPC REVIEWS, THE CRITERIA IN SECTION THREE 18, THREE OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE AND HAS THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT OR AT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TABLE, THE APPLICATION, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON THE PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED THAT ARE ON YOUR SCREEN AND ARE INCLUDED IN YOUR STAFF REPORTS THAT YOU'VE REVIEWED ARE AS FOLLOWS.
SO THE FIRST IS THAT THE LOFT FLOOR MUST BE REDUCED IN SIZE, SO THAT IT'S POSSIBLE.
SO THAT THE POSSIBLE FLOOR AREA IN THE THIRD STORY WITH A HEADROOM OF FIVE FEET OR MORE IS NO LESS THAN 70% OF THE STORY BENEATH IT ON THE COVER SHEET OF THE APPLICATION OR ON THE COVER SHEET OF THE SET OF PLANS.
IT IS UNDER THE 70% THRESHOLD, BUT ON THE ROOM LABELS AND SIDE, UM, THERE'S A TABLE ON THE SIDE OF THE PLANS AS WELL.
IT SHOWS THAT IT EXCEEDS THAT 70%.
AND THEN IF YOU DO THE MATH WITH THE LEADER LINES, IT ALSO EXCEEDS THE 70% THERE.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, HAS BEEN, HAS BEEN LOOKED AT.
UM, IT'S NOT AS EASY TO SEE ON THE PLAN.
SO I'M GOING TO HOLD OFF ON FLIPPING BACKWARDS.
THE SECOND ITEM IS THAT THE COLUMN SPACING ON THE FRONT AND SIDE ELEVATIONS MUST BE REVISED TO BE SPACED FURTHER APART THAN THEY ARE TALL, AS MEASURED FROM THE CENTER LINES OF THE COLUMNS.
UM, I THINK HONESTLY, EASIER TO ESCAPING.
I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE PLAN REVIEW COMMENTS.
THIS IS OUR HPRC COMMENTS GET ADDED TO THIS.
IT LOOKS LIKE THEY DID NOT THE ONES THAT HAD NOT BEEN ADDRESSED YET.
SO THIS IS A SECOND SET OF PLANS.
UM, SOME OF THEM ARE ON THERE THOUGH.
SO THE ONE WE SAW WAS VERSION NUMBER ONE, THEY CAME BACK WITH VERSION NUMBER TWO, FIX SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE SAID IN PRC AND THE ONES THAT WEREN'T FIXED SHOW UP HERE.
IS THAT CORRECT? THE ONES THAT WEREN'T FIXED HAVE NOT BEEN SHOWN.
SO ANYTHING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED IS, IS GONE FROM THE COMMENTS WE WERE ON THE SIDE COLUMNS.
SO YOU'VE GOT RIGHT HERE, THIS ONE AND THIS BAY, AND THEN I THINK IT'S JUST THE SECOND FLOOR ON THE SIDE.
AND THEN THE FRONT ELEVATION HAS THESE BAYS HERE ARE ACTUALLY WIDER THAN THEY ARE TALL, AS WELL AS THESE HERE, WHICH THESE ARE MORE GLARING THAN THE FIRST STORE.
I WANT TO ADDRESS EACH ONE OF THEM AS WE GO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M GOING TO ASK FOR THIS ONE, IF WE CAN GO THROUGH ALL OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU BEFORE HE ADDRESSES THEM, BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS WEIRD UNIQUE SITUATION, BUT THEN WE'RE GOING TO REVIEW IF YOU WANT TO REVIEW THAT.
BUT THEN I THINK IT'S BETTER IF WE GO THROUGH EACH ITEM RATHER THAN JUST BLANKET TALK.
IF I COULD GO THROUGH EACH ITEM AT ODDS IN CONTEXT TO THE PROPOSAL, IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME.
LET'S SEE YOUR, I MEAN, I WOULD PREFER TO YEAH.
GO THROUGH ALL THE COMMENTS, BUT EITHER WAY, I'M FINE WITH, OKAY.
YEAH, THERE AREN'T SO MANY THAT WILL GET LOST, BUT THERE ARE SEVEN.
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AND ONE OF THEM IS ASSIGNED PERMIT, SURPRISE, SPOILER ALERT.UM, THIS LIKE THE THIRD COLOR.
UM, THE THIRD COMMENT IS THAT THE COLONNADE ON THE SIDE ELEVATIONS MUST BE INCREASED TO BE A MINIMUM OF EIGHT FEET FROM THE BUILD TO LINE TO THE CENTER OF THE INSIDE COLUMN FACE.
UM, SO THAT IS, YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE FLOOR PLAN FOR THAT'S THE ROOF PLAN, THE FIRST FLOOR HERE, A LITTLE BIT LIGHT ON THE SCREEN, BUT FROM THE WALL TO THE INSIDE COLUMN FACE ON THE FRONT ELEVATION DOES MEET THAT STANDARD.
UM, WITH THE SMALL EXCEPTION WHERE THE, UM, THE CENTER, I LOST YOURS BY LAST YEAR'S.
UM, REDUCE IN WIDTH HERE AND THEN ON THE SIDE ELEVATIONS, IT'S WHERE IT'S A LITTLE BIT TOO NARROW HERE.
SO, UM, IT'S JUST ABOUT SIX FEET THERE INSTEAD OF EIGHT FOURTH COMMENT IS THAT PER THE TRADITIONAL CONSTRUCTION PATTERN SECTION 19 AND MATERIAL CHANGE ON THE FIRST FLOOR MUST BE REVISED TO BE AT AN INTERIOR CORNER.
UM, THE PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED, IT WAS, IT WAS CHALLENGING TO SEE WHERE EXACTLY THAT MATERIAL CHANGE WAS.
UM, AND IF IT CONTINUED ABOVE THE WINDOWS, WHICH IS WHAT IT APPEARED TO BE, UM, WHEN IT TURNED THAT CORNER, IT BECAME, UH, AN EXTERIOR CORNER MATERIAL CHANGE.
UM, AND I HAVE SECTION 19 HERE IS A LITTLE BIT DARK ON THE SCREEN, BUT, UM, I CAN MAKE IT A BIT BIGGER.
UM, SO IF IT IS GOING TO BE JOINED IN THE NEXT YEAR CORNER, IT RECOMMENDS, UM, TWO THING IT TOGETHER SO THAT IT MAKES A MORE REFINED, REFINED, EXTERIOR CORNER CHANGE OR CHANGING IT IN HERE CORNER ONLY.
UM, OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE LIKES INTERIOR CORNERS MORE THAN IT LIKES TO THING, UM, WITH A MORE REFINED MATERIAL.
SO, UM, THAT IS WHAT WE ENCOURAGE.
HOWEVER, UM, EITHER ONE OF THOSE SOLUTIONS WOULD BE FOUND ACCEPTABLE AND THAT IS ON YOUR ELEVATION.
BUT THIS IS THE LOCATION IN QUESTION, SEE IT HERE.
UM, BEHIND THESE COLUMNS, IT WAS THE QUESTION OF WHAT THE MATERIAL WAS.
AND THEN WHEN IT TURNS THE CORNER, IT CHANGES TO THE SIDING MATERIAL THAT YOU CAN SEE HERE.
SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE SOME BRICK WORK BACK HERE, WHICH I, I BELIEVED TO BE JUST ON THE PILE OF STAIRS FROM THE CENTER, BUT IT JUST WASN'T QUITE CLEAR AS IT MOVED FORWARD HERE.
SO, UM, WE DO SEE THAT IT CHANGES TO THAT SIDING MATERIAL HERE.
AND IF THE FRONT IS BRICK, THAT'S WHERE THAT CHALLENGE LIES ALL SECTION TWO, THOUGH, SMALL, PLEASE HOLD, WAIT, THEY HAD IT HERE.
THERE IS NO BREAK ON THAT BACK WALL.
IT'S ACTUALLY PARTLY TRIM AND PANEL THAT.
AND THEN THE BRICK PILE LAST COME OFF OF IT.
WAS ONLY IN THE CENTER SECTION WHERE, RIGHT, RIGHT.
SO IT'S NOT ACTUALLY, IT'S NOT CHANGING A CORNER, CORRECT.
CAUSE IT'S JUST THE BRICK PILOTERS.
UM, AGAIN, JUST WITH, WITH WHERE THESE WALL SECTIONS WERE AND THE VIEWS THAT WE WERE GETTING FROM THE SIDES AND THE LABELS WHERE THEY ARE MARKED, IT WAS TOO CHALLENGING TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
SO, UM, THE FIFTH ITEM IS THAT, UM, THE STOREFRONT MATERIAL NEEDS TO BE REMOVED OR SHOULD BE REVISED FROM A TWO INCH ALUMINUM STOREFRONT TO A MORE TRADITIONAL MATERIAL OR AT MINIMUM HAVE THICK FRAMING MEMBERS ADDED TO PROVIDE CONTRAST THIS SECTION, UM, IS ONE OF THOSE THAT ALWAYS MAKES ME LAUGH A LITTLE BIT AS YOU READ THIS, UM, SECTION OF THE BOOK HERE, IT SAYS THAT, UM, TWO INCH ALUMINUM, NATURAL SILVER OR BRONZE DARK BROWN STOREFRONT HAS BEEN ENORMOUSLY OVERUSED, AVOID IT LIKE THE PLAGUE.
UM, SO IN MY COMMENT, IT'S A LITTLE MORE REFINED THAN THAT.
HOWEVER, UM, THE TWO INCH STOREFRONT MATERIAL IS WHERE IT WAS POSING THE PROBLEM.
UM, AND THEN IF IT IS GOING TO BE USED, HAVE SOME PARTS OF THE DESIGN THAT IS THICK TO CONTRAST AGAINST IT.
UM, AND SO IN THE WINDOW ENDORSE SCHEDULE HERE, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THAT FRAMING MATERIAL IS.
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THIS IS THAT TWO FRONT TWO INCH ALUMINUM MATERIAL HERE THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING AND THAT RUNS ALONG THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.AND THEN THE SIX ITEM IS THAT A CORNICE DETAIL MUST BE PROVIDED IS NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS.
AND THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS ASKED FOR AT HPRC AND JUST DIDN'T MAKE AN APPEARANCE HERE IN THE FINAL SET OF PLANS.
AND THE LAST ONE IS THE, UM, ONE THAT YOU WERE ALSO FOND OF SEEING IS THAT IF THERE IS ANY SIGNAGE PROPOSED, IT IS NOT BEING REVIEWED AS PART OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
AND SO A SITE FEATURE APPLICATION WOULD NEED TO BE BROUGHT FORWARD FOR ANY OF THAT PROPOSED SIGNAGE.
SO EVEN THOUGH YOU SEE THE LOCATION OF THE SIGN HERE, THAT IS NOT AN APPROVAL THAT THAT SIGN CAN BE PLACED THERE WITH WHATEVER WORDS THEY WANT.
IT DOES NEED TO COME BACK THROUGH AS A SITE FEATURE.
UM, SO THIS IS A PROPOSED LOCATION OF IT, NOT A APPROVAL, CORRECT, BUT IT IS NOT REVIEWING THE SIZE MATERIALS.
UM, IT IS PROPOSED LOCATION, SO IT'S NOT BEING REVIEWED.
SO WITH THAT, UM, THE ITEMS THAT HAVE NO BEARING BASED ON EITHER ONE OF THE SETS OF PLANS, THE ONES THAT YOU HAVE REVIEWED, WHICH WERE SUBMITTED AND IN YOUR STAFF REPORT AND ON THE SCREEN, THE SITE FEATURE WOULD BE THE SAME COMMENT EITHER WAY.
UM, THE, THE FLOOR AREA COLUMNS, COLONNADE MATERIAL CHANGE AT THE FIRST FLOOR, STOREFRONT AND CORNICE HAVE BEEN MODIFIED.
IF YOU WERE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE PLANS THAT I'M GETTING READY TO PULL UP ON THE SCREEN, AND YOU THINK THAT THE ITEMS THAT ARE THERE MEET THESE CRITERIA, YOU WOULD STILL MAKE A MOTION REFLECTING THE ITEMS THAT ARE LISTED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT IN THE CONTENT HERE ON THE SCREEN, IN THE POWERPOINT, BECAUSE THOSE WOULD REFLECT THE PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED FORMALLY THROUGH THE TON OF BLUFFTON AND IN THEORY, HIS RESUBMITTAL, WHICH YOU WERE ABOUT TO SEE AND HAS NOT BEEN RESUBMITTED YET COULD ADDRESS THOSE COMMENTS.
SO THE FIRST ITEM ON THERE, AND I'M GOING TO ASK JAMES, WE'LL DO EDIT HERE A BIT.
SO THE FIRST COMMENT IS THE LOFT FLOOR.
WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT IN THIS PROPOSED SOLUTION, THE LOFT FLOOR AND SQUARE FOOTAGE IS LESS THAN 70% AND THE FIVE FOOT HEADROOM.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FLOOR PLAN HERE, THIS IS THE FLOOR PLAN, WHICH IS BEING PROPOSED.
UM, AND IT IS A PROPOSED 1,348 SQUARE FEET.
AM I READING THAT RIGHT? UM, OH, WAIT, FIRST IN-PERSON MEETING HAVE A LITTLE EXCITEMENT.
SO 70% OF 1,982, WHICH IS THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR SQUARE YEAR WOULD BE 1387.4.
SO 1,348 DOES MEET 70% OR LESS OF THAT FLOOR.
THAT BEING SAID AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION BASED ON WHAT IS SUBMITTED.
SO JUST KNOW THAT THEY HAVE MADE AN ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS THAT.
AND WE WILL DO BETTER MATH THAN ON MY CELL PHONE, ON THE FLY.
UM, THE NEXT COMMENT IS THE COLUMN SPACING ON THE FRONT END SIDE ELEVATIONS.
HERE IS THE COLUMN SPACING ON THE FRONT ELEVATIONS WHERE THE TWO COLUMNS HAVE BEEN WIDENED.
UM, YES, YOU CAN PROBABLY SEE IT BETTER ON THE FLOOR PLAN HERE.
THEY ARE NOW A SPACED NINE FEET AND THREE EIGHTS OF AN INCH APART.
UM, AND THEY ARE NINE FEET TALL PHONES.
WHAT'S THAT? ARE THEY NINE FOOT TALL COLUMNS? YES.
SO THE SPACING ON THIS THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY SQUARE BY THE TIME THEY GET TO THE SERVER.
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YEAH.FARMERS NOT CENTERED ABOVE THEM ANYMORE.
THAT IS BASICALLY SOMETHING BELOW THAT THE SECOND BEDROOM WAS IN THE FRONT.
CAN IT BE SHIFTED TO ALIGN THE CENTER? COUPLE OF THINGS THAT CAME UP ON HPRC WAS THE, UH, PERHAPS A MORE TRADITIONAL TRUE ARCH RATHER THAN A JACK ARCH.
AND AS ONE OF THE COMMENTS EARLIER, THE REASON WHY THERE WAS NO CORNERS DETAIL PROVIDED IS BECAUSE WE HAD ELIMINATED THE CORNICE AND WENT TO JUST A TRADITIONAL SOLDIER COURSE IN ROW LOCK WITH THE METAL CAP.
UM, AND WE ALSO GOT RID OF THE PRECAST AROUND THE BASE AND AGAIN, WENT WITH JUST SIMPLIFIED ALL THOSE DETAILS, WHICH CAME UP AT THE HPRC TO UNAMPLIFIED THE CORNICE AND BASE.
SO WE ACTUALLY DID ALL OF THAT.
UM, AND WE PROVIDED THIS BEAUTIFUL ELEVATION, UM, OF WHAT WAS BEHIND THE COLUMNS PER THE HPRC COMMENTS SHOWING THAT IT'S ACTUALLY HARDIEPLANK.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE BRICK PILATES ARE JUST IN THE CENTER SECTION AND WE ALSO IN THE PROPOSED SOLUTION CHANGED ALL THE STOREFRONT TO MATCH OFTEN DID SOME DETAILING BELOW THE WINDOWS AS WELL.
SO THE STOREFRONT JUST DIDN'T GO ALL THE WAY TO THE GROUND.
WHAT ABOUT THE GABLE END ON THE SIDES? CAN WE SEE THAT IN THE NEW AND THE LATEST EDITION STILL HAVE A LITTLE OF CLEAN END DETAIL UP THERE? UM, I THINK LAST TIME I REMEMBER THINKING WE HAD KIND OF MIXED A LITTLE QUEEN END TABLE, CHANGE THAT FROM THE LAST TIME HAPPY TO, I MEAN, IT PROVIDES A LITTLE BIT OF COVER OVER THE DOOR, BUT THAT DID NOT CHANGE, BUT WE DID CHANGE THE COLUMN SPACING BELOW TO GET THOSE TO BE VERTICAL.
WE ALSO, THERE WAS A LITTLE CONFUSION LAST TIME AT HPRC ABOUT WHERE THE SERVICE YARDS WERE, AND IT APPEARED ON THE OLD ELEVATION THAT THAT SERVICE HAD WRAPPED UNDER THE STAIR.
SO WE ACTUALLY REMOVED THAT SIMILAR HORIZONTAL HOG FENCING AROUND THE STAIR, NOT TO MAKE THE SERVICE YARD LOOK BIGGER THAN IT REALLY WAS.
NOTHING REALLY CHANGED ON THEIR REAR.
SO WHERE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE SERVICE HERE? Y'ALL HE IS TALKING ABOUT THE SIDE ELEVATION HERE, WHERE IT WRAPS THE SIDE.
SO INSTEAD OF EXTENDING THAT SERVICE YARD, WHICH WAS ON THE REAR AND APPEARED TO BE ON THE SIDE ELEVATION HERE, IT STOPS ON THE REAR ELEVATION.
UM, OTHER COMMENT THAT I JUST WANTED, IT'S MORE OF A CONVERSATION, WHICH IS ABOUT THE COLONNADE VERSUS PORCHES.
UM, AS WE KNOW, THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE IT'S RESIDENTIAL FORUMS, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
AND SO ALL THE OTHER BUILDINGS WERE REVIEWED RATHER THAN BEING 30 INCHES OUT OF THE GROUND.
THEY'RE AT GRADE THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE CHANGE.
SO OUR INTENTION ON THIS DESIGN WAS NOT COLONNADES, BUT PORCHES THAT DON'T HAVE THE 30 INCH RAISED THING, WHICH ARE A SIX FOOT AND ALL THE OTHER, YOU REMEMBER SOME OF THE EARLIER DESIGNS, THEY HAD PORCHES ON THE SIDE, WE DECIDED TO REMOVE THEM HERE BECAUSE WE COMBINE THE COMMERCIAL UNDERNEATH.
WE PUT THE STAIRS ON THE END, SO WE COULD HAVE ONE LARGE TENANT SPACE.
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THAT'S WHY THOSE ARE SIX FEET.UM, AND THE FRONT SAYS, PORCHES, JUST THE PORCHES, AREN'T RAISED 30 INCHES OFF THE GROUND TO MATCH THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING TYPE, UM, BECAUSE MAIN STREET BUILDINGS AREN'T, WHICH HAVE THE COLONNADES AREN'T ALLOWED IN THIS DISTRICT.
SO JUST AN EXPLANATION WHY THEY'RE SIX FEET, CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE DISTANCES REQUIRED FOR PORCHES RATHER THAN COLONNADES HAVE A LARGER ON THE FRONT.
AND I THINK THAT'S, UM, UM, THE BULK OF THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS FROM HPRC, AS WELL AS STAFF COMMENTS FROM THEIR REVIEW OF THIS HPC SUBMITTAL.
AND AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO APOLOGIZE FOR THE CONFUSION, WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU KNEW WE DIDN'T IGNORE ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS AND SUBMIT THE EXACT SAME BUILDING THAT WE SUBMITTED FOR HPRC, UM, AND WANTED TO BRING THOSE SOLUTIONS IN.
SO AT LEAST WE HAVE SOME CONTEXT RATHER THAN JUST TALKING ABOUT HYPOTHETICALS.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY MORE QUESTIONS THAT COME UP, SORRY.
IT DOES STILL SHOW THAT, UM, THE CHALLENGE, AND THIS IS, AGAIN, THESE ARE NOT THE PLANS THAT ARE BEING REVIEWED TONIGHT.
HOWEVER, THIS DOES IMPACT THE MOTION YOU MAY MAKE TONIGHT BECAUSE ONE OF THE ITEMS IS THAT THE COLONNADE WOULD NEED TO BE INCREASED UNDER THE COLONNADE SECTION OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.
IT SAYS THAT COLUMNS SHOULD NOT BE PROPOSED.
IF THEY CANNOT MEET THE MINIMUM DEPTH PORCHES ARE REQUIRED TO BE 30 INCHES ABOVE GRADE WHILE THIS IS A, AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE.
UM, THOSE TWO DETAILS, WHETHER THEY ARE PROPOSED ON A COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL, OR SPACE BUILDING, UM, THOSE ARE THE DETAILS THAT ARE PRESCRIBED IN THAT.
SO IF YOU DO ALLOW FOR THE COLONNADE DEPTH TO BE LESS THAN EIGHT FEET, YOU'D BE PROVIDING A REASON FOR A DEVIATION FROM THAT STANDARD.
UM, AND IF YOU ALLOW IT TO BE CONSIDERED, A PORTRAIT WOULD NEED TO BE RAISED 30 INCHES OR A DEVIATION FROM THAT STANDARD.
SO, UM, I'LL POINT THAT OUT ON THE SLIDE SO THAT IT'S MORE CLEAR AS WELL, BUT, UM, JUST NOTE THAT WITH THIS, THAT IS SOMETHING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
THE 30 INCH THING I PLAYED IS AGAIN, WHY THE WHOLE BUILDING'S LOWERED, UM, BECAUSE OF AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE BECAUSE OF THE 30 INCHES.
AND AGAIN, THE LAST TIME WE REVIEWED THESE BUILDINGS, THEY HAD PORCHES ON THE SIDE AND THAT'S HOW THEY WERE REVIEWED.
AND SO OBVIOUSLY WE ELIMINATED THEM FROM A DESIGN A SEC.
SO WE TOOK THAT HERE WITH THE DESIGN INTENT OF THEM BEING PORCHES, BUT AT GRADE AND NO 30 INCHES RATHER THAN ARE THEY ACTUALLY BECAUSE THE STAIRS PLUS THE HAND RAIL WOULD BE WIDER THAN SIX FEET, RIGHT? IT'S SIX FEET AND CHANGE, UM, TO THE BACKSIDE OF THE COLUMN, TO THE CENTER LINE, SHE'S MOVING AROUND, SHE'S DOING HERE SEVEN FEET, NINE, SIX FOOT EIGHT, SIX FOOT SEVEN.
BY THE TIME YOU TAKE THE THICKNESS OF THE COLUMN, OH, ARE WE DOING THE INSIDE OF THE COLUMN TO THE WALL? OKAY.
THE 30 INCHES IS FOUR PORCHES.
SO FOR A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE, THE FIRST FINISHED FLOOR HEIGHT IS REQUIRED TO BE THREE FEET FROM AVERAGE ADJACENT SIDEWALK GRADE AND PORCHES PORCHES ARE REQUIRED TO BE 30 INCHES FROM ADJACENT GRADE.
UM, AND SO THE PORCHES SECTION DOES NOT TIE SPECIFICALLY TO ONE OR THE OTHER WHILE THE FIRST FINISHED FLOOR HEIGHT IS SPECIFIC TO THOSE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES.
AND THE GENESIS OF THIS WHOLE PROJECT IN THE VERY FIRST REVIEW WAS IT HAS TO BE A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE, BUT IT'S NOT A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.
IT'S A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE PER THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
AND SO WE BASICALLY ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE TO TAKE A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE AND DROP IT DOWN AT GRADE RATHER THAN RAISING THE COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE UP FOR ADA COMPLIANCE.
SO THAT'S THE NUANCES OF PARTIAL VERSUS RESIDENTIAL, BUT IT'S REALLY MEANT TO BE A RESIDENTIAL CENTER HALL LIKE BUILDING AT GRADE.
SO I'M SCROLLING THROUGH, UM, FLOOR FLOOR PLANS HERE.
THIS IS THE SECOND FLOOR AND THEN THE BLOCK
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FLOOR, UM, WITH THE FLOOR PLANS, I'M JUST GOING TO PULL THAT OUT REAL QUICK.WELL, IT HAS CHANGED SOME, I JUST WANT YOU TO SEE THAT THE SHAPE OF IT, THE GENERAL SHAPE ANYWAYS, IS VERY SIMILAR.
IT'S NOT A PORCH JUST BY DEFINITION.
UM, THE OTHER HAND, IT'S A BIG BUILDING.
I'M NOT SURE I WANT TO SEE IT FOUR FEET WATER.
UM, SO IN THIS CASE, I THINK THEY'RE NOT REALLY OCCUPIED.
THEY'RE JUST WALKWAYS, NOT WHERE MANY PEOPLE WILL BE WALKING.
THE INTENT OF AN EIGHT FOOT COLONNADE IS BUILDING IS SO PEOPLE CAN PASS EACH OTHER AND THERE'S, THERE'S MORE TRAFFIC THERE.
THE SIDES ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT MUCH TRAFFIC HERE'S THAT FRONT ELEVATION WITH THE MODIFIED NO LONGER CORNICE DETAIL AND THE MODIFIED ARCH TO REFLECT THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAD AT HPRC FOR ONE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE DORMER CENTERED OVER THE COLUMNS.
IT JUST, IT DOESN'T, IT LOOKS FUNNY TO ME.
IF THAT'S AN EASY FIX, THAT WOULD BE NICE.
I'M NOT SURE YOU'D EVER NOTICE UNLESS YOU'RE STANDING 40 FEET AWAY, BUT, BUT IT IS OFTEN SO IT'S UM, HERE IS THE STOREFRONT DETAIL WHERE THE, UM, THE SIZE OF THIS HORIZONTAL PIECE ABOVE THE DOOR HAS BEEN WIDENED A BIT HERE.
UM, SO THAT IT IS THREE AND A HALF INCHES.
THAT'S I HIGHLIGHT, I'M SORRY, JUST HANG IN THERE.
SO THEN MY ONLY COMMENT IS, IS THE ODD LITTLE QUEEN AND DETAIL IN THAT IN THE GABLE END AT TWO DIFFERENT STYLES GOING, YOU'LL NEVER SEE THEM IN THE SAME VIEW, BUT, UH, THE LITTLE TRUST DETAIL.
THE GOAL WOULD BE TO TRY AND GET A LITTLE COVER OVER THAT DOOR, BUT WE COULD GET RID OF THE TRUST, LIKE, AND JUST ACTUALLY FILL THAT IN AND JUST PUT HARDIE SIDING AT MAYBE A THREE INCH EXPOSURE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON THE FRONT IT'S TURNING INTO A FAIRLY CLEAN, SO JUST NO PARTICULAR STYLE.
WELL, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, I MEAN, I DO APPRECIATE WHAT I'M SEEING ON THE SCREEN WITH THE STOREFRONT.
UM, IT MAIN ENTRANCE WITH THE TRUE ARCHWAY AND, UM, I GUESS MY THING THAT I WOULD JUST NOT, UH, OBVIOUSLY I COME, I MEAN COMPLETELY BELIEVE I, I, UM, HAVE BEEN IN THE SAME BOAT AS FAR AS SUBMITTING SOMETHING TO AN ARB.
UH, THAT'S KIND OF NOT THE CURRENT PLANS, BUT I DO WANT TO JUST SAY JUST THE PRECEDENT OF SOMEONE COULD SUBMIT PLANS AND THEN TURN AROUND AND, UM, LIKE GET EXTRA TIME TO WORK ON THINGS FOR THAT ADDITIONAL TIME.
WE JUST, WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY ON THE AGENDA, BUT IF THERE WAS LIKE THREE OR FOUR, UM, THINGS ON THE AGENDA, IT'S JUST TOUGH TO, UM, HAVE THIS MANY COMMENTS AND THIS MANY CHANGES NOT TO GET GROUP I A HUNDRED PERCENT APPRECIATE.
AND AGAIN, I WOULD COME TO YOU AND SAY, THIS WAS AN ABSOLUTE HONEST MISTAKE.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, I FELT HORRIBLE THAT IT CAME ACROSS AS YOU REVIEWED THESE THAT WE COMPLETELY IGNORE THE COMMENTS FROM THE HPRC BECAUSE WE'VE ALWAYS AIMED TO
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SOLVE THOSE THINGS THAT COME UP.I THINK THAT WAS THE VERY OFTEN, IF IT WERE A PATTERN WE SHOULD ADDRESS IT.
DOESN'T, I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO EMOTION OR ANYTHING BASED UPON WHAT THE NEW STUFF YOU'RE SEEING IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE USEFUL TO PROVIDE CONTEXT AND A RESPONSE RATHER THAN JUST SAYING NO, I MAKE THE COLUMN SPACING.
ESPECIALLY BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE COMMENTS, SOMETIMES YOU JUST DON'T KNOW HOW IT'LL BE.
I MEAN, YOU CAN SAY MAKE IT EVEN, BUT FOR INSTANCE, WE'RE ABLE TO SEE THE DORMER AND, UM, THE RELATIONSHIP OF THAT COLUMN, NEW COLUMN SPACING.
THE ONE THING I WAS GOING TO ASK, OH, LIKE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, SORRY, I PROBABLY MISSED THE BOAT ON THIS, THE PORCH, THE DIFFERENT CHANGE IN BETWEEN, UH, IF WE ARE CLASSIFYING IT AS A PORCH OR, UM, CALLING AID, W WHERE WAS LIKE A PARTICULAR STAFF COMMENT WHERE WE'RE HAVING TO MAKE A RUSSIAN, WAS, IS IT A COLONNADE WITH A DEVIATION TO SIX FEET SIDES OR BOARDS WITH THE DV OF THE 30 INCH ELEVATION? GOTCHA.
SO, SO IT'S ON PAGE 23 OF YOUR PACKET, BUT IT IS, UM, SECTION TWO, ITEM THREE.
POLONAISE ARCADES SHALL HAVE A MINIMUM DEPTH OF EIGHT FEET.
IT'S SECTION FIVE 15, SIX E THREE, WHICH IS ON YOUR SCREEN NOW, UM, WHERE IT SAYS THAT THE DEPTH IS AN EIGHT FOOT MINIMUM FROM THE BUILD TO LINE TO THE INSIDE FACE 18 INCHES FROM THE OUTSIDE COLUMN FACE TO THE CURB.
IN THIS CASE, THERE IS NO CURB BECAUSE THIS IS A BUILDING PAD.
HOWEVER, UM, INSIDE PHASE OR THE BUILD TO LINE FOR THE STRUCTURE BEGINS TO THE INSIDE OF THE COLUMN FACE IS THAT EIGHT FOOT MINIMUM DEPTH.
UM, THE OTHER SECTION THERE IS THAT COLONNADE SHALL ONLY BE CONSTRUCTED WHERE THE MINIMUM DEATH CAN BE OBTAINED THAT SECTION E OF THAT, OF THE SAME SECTION THERE.
AND THEN FOR PORCHES, THAT IS THE SECTION HERE THAT SHOWS THAT THE HEIGHT, THIS IS FOR PORCHES FULL-STOP, UM, THAT THEY ARE A MINIMUM OF 30 INCHES FROM GRADE TO TOP OF STAIRS WITH 96 INCH MAXIMUM.
AND THEN JUST SO THAT IT IS HERE, THE SECTION THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH RESIDENTIAL VERSUS COMMERCIAL THAT IS HERE, WHICH IS FIVE 15, SIX F SAYS THAT RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES SHOULD HAVE A FIRST FINISHED FLOOR HEIGHT OF A RAISED RAZOR MINIMUM THREE FEET ABOVE AVERAGE, ADJACENT SIDEWALK GRADE, UM, AND CAN BE ELEVATED AS MUCH AS FIVE FEET.
THIS IS A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE.
SO IT CAN NOT BE A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING TYPE COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES CAN BE BUILT AT GRADE.
IT'S USUALLY PREFERRED BECAUSE THAT MEANS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO INCLUDE A RAMP OR OTHER ACCESSIBLE MEANS TO GET INTO THE STRUCTURE.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, THEY CAN BE PROPOSED AT A HIGHER ELEVATION, SHOULD THEY? SO CHOOSE, WHICH IS WHEN THAT PORCH THING MAY BE ABLE TO BE MORE BENEFICIAL THERE THAN A COLONNADE IN THIS CASE.
UM, WONDERING IF IT NEEDS TO BE A CALM COLONNADE, IF IT CAN BE A I'M SIX FEET OUT THOUGH, THAT'S KIND OF, I THINK ON COMMERCIAL SERGEANT COLONNADES ARE REQUIRED ON THE SIDES, JUST THE FRONT, RIGHT.
THAT'S WHY I'M THINKING, IF YOU WERE TO CUT OFF THE FRONT COLONNADE, DO YOU ACTUALLY NEED HELP? I THINK THAT THE COLONNADE IS ON THE FRONT AND THEN IT'S, WELL,
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DIDN'T DIDN'T YOU CAN LEVER OUT SOMETHING.OR WE HAD SOME, BASICALLY SIX FOOT DEEP PORCHES THAT CAME ALL THE WAY DOWN, BUT THEY WEREN'T, THEY DIDN'T WRAP THE CORNER CAUSE THEY WERE RIGHT THERE.
SO WE RE REMOVED THOSE AND WE HAD SOME BRACKETS, BUT IT WASN'T A THOROUGHFARE TO GET UP TO THE THIRD FLOOR.
I MEAN, TO ME, I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST TALKING OUT LOUD HERE.
THE COLONNADE IS ON THE FRONT, BUT I MEAN ON THE SIDES, IT'S NOT ACTUALLY THERE'S NO, AT THAT POINT IT IS RESIDENTIAL.
CAUSE THAT'D BE THE ONE, THE REASON WHY YOU WOULD BE GOING THERE, RIGHT.
I MEAN, TO GO UP TO THE RESIDENCE, THIS IS A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE.
IT IS A MIXED USE STRUCTURE, WHICH IS A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE.
THIS CAN NOT BE CLASSIFIED AS A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE IN ANY WAY, BESIDES JUST THAT IT CAN BE OCCUPIED.
BUT IT IS SUPPOSED TO TAKE ON RESIDENTIAL CHARACTERISTICS BECAUSE THE ZONING DISTRICT WANTS IT TO HAVE A PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER.
HOWEVER, IT IS A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE.
UM, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE DETAILS OF THE VERY FIRST MEETING WHEN, WHEN WE COVERED ALL OF THIS OF IT BEING IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AS A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE.
UM, AND EVEN THE PREVIOUS REVIEW WAS REVIEWED ALL HOUSE, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS AT GRADE.
SO WE TRIED TO PRESERVE THOSE THINGS.
IT'S, IT'S KIND OF ONE OF THOSE CHICKEN AND EGG THINGS IT'S MEANT TO EMULATE A RESIDENTIAL LIKE STRUCTURE, EVEN THOUGH AS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING, I GUESS WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO SAY IS IT, WE MIGHT COULD SAY YES, WE COULD ALLOW THAT BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT, IT BECOMES MORE OF THE RESIDENTIAL PART AS OPPOSED TO A COMMERCIAL BUILDING AT THAT POINT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT, IT MIGHT BE THE REASON TO SAY, YEAH, THAT'S OKAY.
RESIDENTIAL CIRCULATION AREA, I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND ELEVATION.
AND JUST WONDERING IF YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT PORCH GO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE FRONT, IF IT CAN COME BACK.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT OF COLUMNS THAT REACH THE GROUND, UH, TOP THE TOP DOOR GOES OUT UNDER THAT DECK.
WELL, YOU CAN, YOU CAN PUT BIG BRACKETS THERE, BUT JUST BECAUSE OF WHERE THE STAIRS ARE, THERE'S NO PLACE TO PUT A BRACKET.
I WAS JUST THINKING IF IT WERE DIMINISHED A LITTLE BIT BY ONE BAY FROM THE SOUTH, AND IT'S LESS OF A COLONNADE AND MORE OF A SUPPORT FOR THE PART IT'S ONLY TWO BAYS.
IT'S HARD TO SAY THAT THAT'S EVEN A COLONNADE WHENEVER YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CALL IT ANYTHING BECAUSE ONLY BECAUSE OF THE DEFINITION IT'S YEAH.
EITHER A PORT OR A COLONNADE TECHNICALLY ARE REQUIRED ON THE SIDES.
I'M TRYING TO GET RID OF IT, GET RID OF THAT.
BUT IS IT, IF IT'S, IF IT'S MITES, YOU CUT IT OFF.
I MEAN, I MEAN, I'LL JUST OUT LOUD.
YOU WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE THESE KINDS OF, UM, THINGS AS FAR AS, UH, I MEAN, YEAH, LET ME READ THIS SECTION ONE MORE TIME.
I THOUGHT IT WAS ROOF OVER THE RAIN WHILE YOU'RE WALKING UP AND DOWNSTAIRS, BUT IT'S NOT ACTUALLY A ROOF OVER THERE.
IT'S ROOFED AS A, AS LITTLE PORCHES PORCHES CIRCULATION TO GET TO THE REST OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS HAD SPLIT TENANTS IN THE STAIR IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S SIGNED OFF THERE'S TO THE OUTSIDE TO GET UP TO THAT'S THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE FOR THOSE UNITS UPSTAIRS.
THAT'S THE ONLY ENTRANCE TO GET UP THERE TO THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS, ALL OF THEM.
AND OUR INTENTION WOULD BE, UM, ACTUALLY OUR OUT IN THE ELEMENTS ON THE STAIRS IF IT'S RAINING LB.
SO, SO THIS REALLY TRULY IS JUST THE CIRCULATION OF THERE'S ACTUALLY THE RAILING, LIKE THE OTHER ONES CONTINUES ON HERE.
SO YOU'D ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO IN THIS UNIT TO GET OUT TO THE OPEN AIR PORCH, BUT ALMOST CLASSIFIED AS ALL JUST A STAIR WITH AN OVERSIZED LANDING ON THE SIDE OF IT.
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REALLY WHAT IT IS.IT'S STRICTLY A VERTICAL CIRCULATION TO A LANDING TO GET IN HERE AND THEN CONTINUING UP REELING GOING ACROSS THE SIDES, LIKE THE OTHER ONES WHO YOU ANY FIRST WHO LIVES IN THE THIRD FLOOR, CAN'T GET TO THE PORCH OF THE PERSON THAT LIVES IN THE SECOND FLOOR.
IT WOULD MATCH THE RAILING ON THE OUTSIDE, JUST LIKE THE OTHER ONES.
AND AGAIN, YOU COME UP TO THE THIRD FLOOR HERE.
IT'S STRICTLY TO, UH, IT IS STRICTLY VERTICAL CIRCULATION TO GET TO THIS RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
YOU COME UP THE STAIR FROM PORCH INTO THE FRONT DOOR HERE.
RIGHT? WELL, I WAS TRYING TO SEPARATE IT FROM THE FRONT COLONNADE, WHICH IS PUBLIC, BUT OUT THAT SOUTH EAST CORNER ON SOUTHWEST CORNER AND MAKE THEM NOT ASSOCIATED AT BAY, REALLY, TRULY STRICTLY SOME LITTLE ENTRY PORCHES AND THE STAIRS, UH, PROBABLY DIFFICULT DETAIL YOU HAVE AT THE THIRD FLOOR WRAP AROUND PORCH WHERE IT, AT THIS POINT WE'RE JUST BEING, UH, ARMCHAIR DESIGNERS, BUT IT'S, IT JUST MEANS THAT THERE ARE SOME OPTIONS FOR DIMINISHING THE SIZE OF THOSE SIDE COLONNADES SLASH PORCHES, LESS, YOU KNOW, HIERARCHICALLY, THE FRONT ONE IS, IS THE IMPORTANT ONE FOR THE PUBLIC ACCESS AND THE FRONT GROUND LEVEL.
AND THAT THE SIDE, UM, I MEAN, THAT'S HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT.
THE COLONNADE SERVING THE COMMERCIAL, UM, SECTION HERE.
I THINK THAT THAT WOULD MAKE IT SO WE CERTAINLY HAVE I'M SURE HAPPY, HAPPY TO ELIMINATE THE CORONER, HAPPY TO SEND HER UP.
AND YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A, UH, MOTION TO SET HER UP.
THE DORMERS THINK WE'VE HELPED ME UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MAKE THAT CENTER COLUMNED AREA COME IN ONE BAY ON EACH SIDE.
SO IT WOULD MAKE THE BUILDING LOOK SMALLER, WHICH IS NICE.
CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS VERY, VERY WIDE.
YEAH, YOU CAN ELIMINATE THAT BASIC FRONT, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE STAIRS HANGING ON THE SIDE, BUT THOSE WILL ALSO BE IN THAT COLONNADE ON THE SIDE WILL ALSO GO AWAY.
NOW YOU'RE GOING TO ADDRESS WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THE FRONT AND LAND, YOU GET RID OF THAT CORNER AND THAT CORNER YOU CAN'T, IF THEY DO THAT, YOU CAN'T COME INTO HERE AND WALK AROUND THERE.
ANYWAY, HE'S GOT A RAILING FROM THE FRONT.
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO SEE? IT'S NARROWER.
WE'RE JUST GOING TO SEE STEPS.
THEN WE WERE LOOKING AT AN ARCHITECTURAL, SOMEWHAT ELEMENT ELIMINATING THAT CORNER.
NOW ALL I SEE HANGING ON APPS, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BE FARTHER BACK FARTHER BACK WITH STILL A LITTLE BIT OF VISUAL WAY TOO.
PROBABLY PROS AND CONS OF BOTH TRYING TO JUSTIFY THIS EIGHT FOOT.
I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE WIDTH OF IT JUST BECAUSE OF ITS, UH, ITS PURPOSE AND, AND UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY THE FLOW OF CIRCULATION THERE, ARCHITECTURALLY, I WOULD PREFER TO SEE THIS THEN ELIMINATING THAT CORNER AND SEEING AIRWAYS BECAUSE
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THAT'S ALL YOU WOULD SEE IN A SENSE IS SOMEONE HIDES.THE STAIRWAYS DOES GIVES THE BUILDING MORE HORIZONTALITY.
ONCE YOU STARTED THINKING ABOUT IT, GETTING NARROWER, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S NECESSARILY BETTER.
I'M NOT GOING TO LEARN TO LOOK AT THAT.
UM, PREFERRING, COLONNADE, STAIRWAY PLACED TO ENTER.
I KNOW IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE ANYONE HAS A PROBLEM WITH THAT WITH THE WIDTH OF THE SIDE PORCH COLUMN.
AND AGAIN, WE CAN SAY BECAUSE WE'RE CONSIDERING IT MORE, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION, EVEN IF IT'S NOT A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING, RIGHT.
IT'S IT'S RESIDENTIAL CIRCULATION.
I'LL BRING BACK THE UNFORTUNATE SUBMITTAL THAT WAS PUT IN FRONT OF YOU BEFORE ALL AGREE.
IT LOOKS BETTER NOW, ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION AT THIS POINT, BRIEF LEE BEFORE YOU MAKE A MOTION SO THAT WE CAN JUST GET OUR AT LEAST DUCKS IN THE SAME POND, IF NOT A ROW.
UM, I WOULD CAUTION THE REASONING FOR THE DEVIATION BEING BASED ON RESIDENTIAL ACCESS, AS THAT OPENS UP THE POSSIBILITY FOR A LOT OF, UM, STRUCTURES TO COME IN WITH THOSE NARROW SIDES.
UM, IN THIS CASE, THE STAIRWELL IS TWO FULL STAIRWELLS WIDE, MEANING IT IS APPROXIMATELY SIX FEET PLUS A LITTLE SPACE THAT IS IN ADDITION TO THAT ON THE SIDE, UM, WHERE ON A SMALLER SCALE STRUCTURE, IT MAY NOT HAVE A DOUBLE BACK AND COULD BE AS NARROW AS THREE FEET.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, WHILE THINGS ARE REVIEWED ON AN INDIVIDUAL CASE-BY-CASE BASIS, THE DEVIATION, BECAUSE IT IS RESIDENTIAL ACCESS, WHICH IS IN A MIXED USE, THE, THE RATIONALE BEHIND THAT MAY POSE A FEW CHALLENGES IN THE FUTURE.
UM, I'VE BROUGHT UP THE SITE FEATURE APPLICATION THAT WE HAD TONIGHT, BECAUSE THIS DOES HAVE THE PAST CRITERIA FOR DEVIATIONS THAT WE HAVE USED, UM, BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION, SETTING SIZE SHAPE, OR PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS OR OTHER ASPECT OF THE PROPERTY.
IT IS THE PROPOSED USE SUBSTANTIALLY DOES JUSTIFY SOME ADJUSTMENT.
THE STANDARDS, THE INTENT OF THE SPECIFIC STANDARD CAN BE ACHIEVED ON THE SITE THROUGH ALTERNATIVE MEANS OR SPECIAL DESIGN APPROACHES OR METHODS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT WILL EFFECTIVELY REMEDIATE OR MITIGATE ANY POTENTIAL ADVERSE IMPACTS.
UM, SO WHILE YES, THERE ARE RESIDENTIAL UNITS UP ABOVE, AND THIS IS BEING ACCESSED FOR THAT.
UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO FIND A WAY TO INCLUDE THAT IF THAT IS THE DEVIATION YOU'RE WANTING TO PERMIT, UM, THAT IS SPECIFIC TO THIS, THIS SITE AND HOW THEY'RE POSSIBLY MITIGATING THOSE POTENTIAL ADVERSE EFFECTS RATHER THAN A USE STANDARD, WHICH IS NOT PART OF ARTICLE FIVE AND HAS A HARDER TIME WITH, WITH THAT.
UM, SO DON'T MENTION RESIDENTIAL OR THE REASONS FOR ANOTHER ROOMS. WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT GEOMETRY OF THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING RATHER THAN THE FACT THAT IT'S A RESIDENTIAL ACCESS THAN THEY ARE AS WELL, RIGHT? THESE THINGS, I KEEP HITTING THE GLASS, BUT THEN THAT, THAT WOULD READJUST YOUR WHOLE ACROSS THE FRONT.
IF YOU STRETCH IT OUT AND WE JUST GET WIDER THAT LASTS THE LAST BAY WOULD GET WIDER BY TWO FEET, BUT THEN IT'S NOT GOING TO BE UNIFORM, SORRY, YOU WOULD HAVE TO ADJUST EVERYTHING.
AND THEN THAT CHANGES THE COLUMNS.
AND IT CHANGES HERE FROM ANY WAY RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? THE OUTSIDE ONES HAVE A DIFFERENT PANEL.
THEY GIVE, YOU DID ADD TWO MORE FEET TO THAT.
IT WOULD BE ALMOST BE LIKE ONE OF THESE, LIKE ALMOST THE SAME, BUT NOT QUITE A MAY.
IT WOULD LOOK LIKE A MISTAKE RATHER THAN IT BEING INTENTIONAL.
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BY EMOTION.SO IF IT WOULD BE EASY FOR HIM TO JUST TO ADD THE TWO FEET, ARE WE OPENING THE DOOR BY JUST LETTING IT GO? I AM NOT FAMILIAR ENOUGH WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO KNOW IF THERE'S SPACE TO INCREASE THE WIDTH OF THIS BUILDING BY TWO FEET, INCLUDING THE PORCHES.
UM, JAMES MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK MORE CLEARLY ON THAT.
HOWEVER, IT IS, IT WILL BE WIDER THAN THE OTHER BUILDINGS THAT ARE, HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.
CAUSE WE HAVE ANOTHER SET OF STAIRS ON THE SIDE OF IT, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT EVEN BIGGER, UM, SHOULD SAY LONGER AS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ISN'T CHANGING, BUT THE BILLING IS GOING TO GET EVEN LONGER THAN NO THAT WE'RE GAINING ANYTHING BY ASKING IT TO BE WIDER.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE GAINING EXTRA PORCH BECAUSE IT'S NOT ACTUALLY A MAIN STREET.
IT'S NOT LIKE PEOPLE ARE WALKING THERE.
SHOULD I START TRYING TO MAKE A MOTION? THAT WOULD BE ALL RIGHT.
I MAKE A MOTION STEP THIS PROPOSAL WITH THE FOLLOWING QUALIFICATIONS THAT THE LOFT FLOOR BE REDUCED IN SIZE TO BE NO MORE THAN 70% OF THE STORY DIRECTLY BENEATH IT, THAT THE COLUMNS SPACING ON THE FRONT END SIDE ELEVATIONS BE REVISED TO BE SPACED NO FARTHER APART THAN THEY ARE TALL AS MEASURED FROM CENTRAL LINES OF THE COLUMNS, UH, THAT THE, UM, THAT THE SIDE COLONNADE BE ALLOWED TO STAY THE WIDTH THAT IT IS BECAUSE OF THE GEOMETRY OF THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING ITS RELATIONSHIP TO THE OTHER BUILDINGS ON THE SITE THAT THE DORMER LOCATION BE CENTERED ON THE COLUMN, GEOMETRY UP AT COLONNADE.
UH, LET'S SEE, WE DID THE COLONNADE THAT THE MATERIAL CHANGE THAT THERE IS NO MATERIAL CHANGE ON THE FIRST FLOOR ON THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, WALLS THAT THE STOREFRONT BE REVISED FROM TWO INCH ALUMINUM STOREFRONT TO A MORE TRADITIONAL MATERIAL WITH THICKER MEMBERS AND THAT THE COURT IS DETAIL PROVIDED AND REDUCED AS REDUCED IN SIZE THAT ANY PROPOSED SIGNAGE ON THIS BUILDING SCENTED IN A SEPARATE APPLICATION AND THAT THE QUEEN AND DETAILING ON THE SIDE ELEVATE SIDE GABLES, UH, SHOULD BE RECONSIDERED AND MAINTAIN A CONSISTENT ARCHITECTURAL STYLE ON THE BUILDING.
MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I COULD SUMMARIZE HER MOTION JUST TO ENSURE THAT I HAVE IT CORRECTLY FOR THE RECORD, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE MOTION THAT HAS BEEN MADE IS THAT IT IS GOING TO BE PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
ONE, TWO THAT THE COLONNADE ON THE SIDE ELEVATION DOES MAY DEVIATE FROM EIGHT FEET BECAUSE OF THE GEOMETRY OF THIS BUILDING AND THE RELATIONSHIP TO THE OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE SAME DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT THE CENTER LINES OF THE DORMERS SHALL REMAIN OVER THE CENTER LINE OF THE COLUMNS TO ENSURE THAT IT IS CENTERED, IF THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE WITH THE COLUMN AT ADDITIONS PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION, FOR WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT BE CHANGED AS A RESUBMITTED DOCUMENT ARRIVES PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION FIVE SIX, ALTHOUGH THAT
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MAY CHANGE SEVEN AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL D UM, COMMENT THAT THE QUEEN AND DETAILING ON THE SIDE ELEVATION BE RECONSIDERED TO MAINTAIN CONSISTENT ARCHITECTURAL STYLE PER SECTION FIVE 15 FIVE F THREE.DID I UNDERSTAND YOUR MOTION CORRECTLY? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND MY NEED OR LOOKING FOR A SECOND.
I SECOND THE MOTION FOR ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION.
WE'LL HAVE IT UP FOR A VOTE ALL IN FAVOR.
WELL, THANK YOU ALL FOR, UM, REVIEWING, UM, THIS AND I APOLOGIZE, AND I ASSURE YOU THIS WILL NOT BECOME A HABIT.
UM, AND I DO APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATIONS AND DIALOGUE AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
AS YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING AGAIN THAT THIS IS GOING BE BROUGHT BACK FORTH TO HPR, CRC AND HPRC WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UH, ONCE IT'S SUBMITTED IN THE PROPER FORMAT, AND THEN YOU HAVE IT ON AN AGENDA, IT'LL BE PRESENTED RC.
SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME TO THIS BODY AGAIN, LESS HP IN LESS HPC FEELS THE NEED TO BRING IT BACK TO YOU.
HOWEVER, WITH THE MOTION MADE, UM, THAT WORKS, UM, THAT I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA, UNLESS THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION POINTS, UM, BERLIN OR KATIE, THE ONLY ITEM OF DISCUSSION IS THAT, HEY, IT'S, UH, JUNE 1ST, WHICH MEANS IT IS NO LONGER PRESERVATION MONTH, BUT IF YOU DID NOT CATCH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION SYMPOSIUM, IT IS ON THE TOWN'S FACEBOOK PAGE AS A RECORDED MEETING.
UM, AND THE GROUP FROM MATTERS, IT WAS BETTY PRIME, CAITLYN MCNABB, AND FILMER WILSON DID AN EXCELLENT JOB DISCUSSING THE SQUIRE POLK CARRIAGE HOUSE.
SO IF YOU DID MISS THAT, TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
UM, THERE'S ALSO AN INTERVIEW THROUGH WTOC ON THE PROPERTY THAT WAS ABOUT A WEEK BEFORE THAT.
UM, AND THEN ON THE FACEBOOK PAGE EVERY SATURDAY, I BELIEVE IT WAS, THERE WERE PRESERVATION ACTIVITIES.
SO IF YOU MISSED THOSE, GO BACK, DO THEM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT ME ANYMORE, YOU CAN STILL CELEBRATE PRESERVATION.
CAUSE I HA I WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF CLASS AND OKAY.
IT'S ACTUALLY VERY INTERESTING, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORY BEHIND THAT AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING, AND I KNOW ENOUGH, MY STUDENTS DID, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WERE A LOT OF ADDITIONAL PHOTOGRAPHS FOUND.
SO I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THAT YOU'RE WEARING.
YEAH, THERE'S SOME PRETTY INTERESTING PROPERTY AND IT'S REALLY INTERESTING.
THE TOWN IS COMMITTING TO SPENDING THE MONEY, DOING IT AND DOING IT PROPERLY.
THAT GOES WITH WHAT OUR COMMUNITY IS.
I GUESS, UH, WITH THAT, I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT.
WE ADJOURN AND YOU HAVE YOUR LITTLE GAVEL TODAY.
I SECOND THE MOTION, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR.