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UH, START THE MAY 28TH, UH, NORTH REGIONAL PLAN IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE MEETING.
AND IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, WHICH IS CHANCE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
I BELIEVE THAT FOIL HAS BEEN, UH, COMPLETED, UH, NOTICES HAVE BEEN SENT OUT FOR THIS MEETING, UH, ASK FOR A MOTION OR COMMENT ON, UH, THE MINUTES FOR THE MEETING, AND THEN THEY ACCEPT AS WRITTEN MOTION TO ACCEPT SECOND AND A SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY RAISING YOUR RIGHT HAND MOTION PASSES.
UM, I GUESS FIRST THING I'LL ASK FOR IS WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S ANY, UM, MODIFICATIONS TO THE, UH, UH, AGENDA THAT ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AS CHAIRMAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE THE LADIES ON IMPLEMENTATION STATUS, POTENTIAL DISILLUSION UP IN THE AGENDA? ALL WE HAVE CORN.
AND I WOULD, UH, MOVE TO AMEND THE AGENDA TO BRING ITEM NUMBER 11, LADIES ON PLAN IMPLEMENTATION STATUS, UH, TO ITEM FIVE EIGHT, FIVE EIGHT, RIGHT AFTER CITIZEN COMMENTS, MOTION, AND A SECOND ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY RAISING YOUR RIGHT HAND, THOSE OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES.
UM, WOULD LIKE TO, UH, GO AROUND AND, UH, LET PEOPLE INTRODUCE THEMSELVES.
ALICE WAS OUR DISTRICT FOR B FOR COUNTY COUNCIL, UH, VAN WILLIS TOWN MANAGER PORTAL.
I'M STEVEN MURRAY, MAYOR OF THE CITY.
HAVE YOU EVER HAD THE MAYOR PRO TEM FOR THE CITY? UM, ROBERT MERCHANT ACTING DIRECTOR B FOR COUNTY PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT.
AND I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE A KRISTA JULIA COOK.
SHE TOOK OVER FOR DYNAMIC MASTER WHO RETIRED EARLIER THIS MONTH.
WE ARE VERY THANKFUL TO HAVE HER ON BOARD, RIGHT? YES, FOR COUNTY, UH, JENNY KOZAK, RETIRED PLANNING DIRECTOR FOR LOW COUNTRY COUNCIL ENDEAVORMENTS AND CURRENTLY WORKING ON CONTRACT WITH THEM, THEM, I MEAN THE RESILIENCY PROJECT, ZOOM IT'S SMITH'S MITCHELL IS JERRY ASH GOING WHERE THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL? YES.
UM, WITH THE MODIFICATION TO THE AGENDA, I'D LIKE TO GO TO, UM, A, UH, UM, UH, ACTION ITEM LISTS OR, UH, TO THE, UH, UH, SOLUTION DOCKET.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS? IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE HAVE ANY HOUR.
I WILL JUMP IN AND I WANT TO WELCOME, UH, COLONEL HARBOR GUEST.
HE IS THE COMMANDING OFFICER OF MARINE CORPS AIR STATION BUFORD.
UM, AND, UH, JUST WANT TO WELCOME AND APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TODAY, SIR.
ANYTHING ELSE I'D LIKE TO WELCOME ALL THE NEW MEMBERS TO THE BOARD, UH, APPRECIATE, UH, YOUR ATTENDANCE TODAY.
AND IT'S GREAT TO HAVE THE FIRST FACE TO FACE MEETING IN AN AWFUL LONG TIME.
I THINK WE GET A HECK OF A LOT MORE DONE WHEN WE HAVE A FACE TO FACES, UH, AND WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE EACH OTHER IN THEIR COMMENTS.
UM, SO, UH, BACK AGAIN, UH, RIGHT TO, UH, UH, GO TO THE, UH, LADIES ISLAND PLAN IMPLEMENTATION, UH, COMMITTEE, UH, AGENDA ITEM AND, UH, UH, THE D DISCUSSION THAT I HAVE THERE IS THAT THERE HAS BEEN A, UH,
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DOCUMENT THAT, UH, HAS THAT I'VE PREPARED HERE FOR DESOLATION OF THE PLAN IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE.AND, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO GET, UH, UH, THIS WITH A MOTION AND A VOTE, UH, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO READ THE DESK SOLUTION, UH, DOCUMENT.
UM, SO MAY EIGHT, UH, MAY 28, 2021 IN 2019 BUFORD COUNTY, THE CITY OF BUFORD AND THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL ADOPTED THE LADY'S ISLAND PLAN AND COMMITTED TO INCORPORATING THE RESPONSIBLE GROWTH MEASURES SET FORTH WITHIN THE PLAN.
THE LADY'S ISLAND IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE WAS FORMED AS DIRECTED BY THE NORTH REGIONAL PLAN IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE AND CHARGED WITH EXECUTING THE INITIAL IMPLEMENTATION ACTION ITEMS OF THE PLAN SPECIFICALLY, L I P C L I P I C WORK TO MOVE FORWARD.
THREE GROWTH MANAGEMENT MEASURES RECOMMENDED IN THE PLAN.
NUMBER ONE, AN ORDINANCE REQUIRING THAT NEW LARGE HOUSING PROJECTS BE LOCATED WHERE PUBLIC SEWER AND WATER IS AVAILABLE TO FILL ORDINANCE LIMITING THE AMOUNT OF FILL DIRT THAT CAN BE USED FOR FILL AT THE LOWEST LYING AREAS.
THREE, UH, COASTAL RESILIENCE OVERLAY REQUIRING DISCLOSURE ABOUT, UH, FUTURE FLOODING RISKS IN OUR LOWEST LYING AREAS AS A RESULT OF CLIMATE CHANGE, UH, AND FOR, UH, SOLIDIFY THE ACTIVITY, UH, ENGAGED, UH, WITH THE, UH, UM, LIC PC BUFORD COUNTY ADOPTED THE SEWER ORDINANCE IN 2020, THE FILL ORDINANCE AND CRO WAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY NR PIC, THE MPC AND THE BUFORD PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE CITY OF BUFORD ADOPTED THE FILL REQUIREMENTS AND IT'S FILLED, UH, FLOOD DAMAGE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE PREVENTION ORDINANCE IN APRIL OF 2021.
THE FILL ORDINANCE AND CRO ARE CURRENTLY BEING CONSIDERED THROUGH THE PUBLIC COMMITTEE AND COUNCIL PROCESSES AT BUFORD COUNTY AND THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL, A CHAIR, UH, AN ACTIVE COMMITTEE FOR THE LIC PC ARE NOW, UH, FUNCTIONAL AND LOCAL RESIDENT PARTICIPANTS WITH LOCAL RESIDENT PARTICIPATION.
UM, HAVING TAKEN ACTION TO MOVE THESE GROWTH MANAGEMENT MEASURES FORWARD THE EXISTENCE OF L I P I C IS NO LONGER NECESSARY AND LONGTERM IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PLAN IS MORE APPROPRIATELY WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE NRP.
I SEE GOING FORWARD ONCE THE ABOVE GROWTH MANAGEMENT MEASURES ARE FULLY ADOPTED, THE NEXT IMPLEMENTATION ACTION ITEM INVOLVES A DISCUSSION OF GROWTH BOUNDARIES CURRENTLY UNDERWAY WITH THE COUNTY CITY AND TOWN COMPREHENSIVE PLANS.
A TASK FORCE WAS CREATED UNDER THE LOI PIC FOR THE PURPOSE OF PRE-PLANNING THE LADY'S ISLAND VILLAGE CENTER WITH REPRESENTATIVES AND STAFF FROM THE CITY COUNTY AND TOWN THAT WILL BECOME A STEERING COMMITTEE.
WHEN A CONSULTANT IS RETAINED FOR THE MASTER PLANNING EFFORT WITH DISSOLUTION OF THE L I P I C WE ASKED THE NRP IC TO ACCEPT THE OVERVIEW OF THE FOLLOWING.
NUMBER ONE, CONTINUING MANAGEMENT OF THE PHIL ORDINANCE IN CRO TWO, CONTINUING MANAGEMENT OF THE GROWTH BOUNDARIES, THREE CONTINUING OVERVIEW OF THE L I C PC FOUR, CONTINUING OVERVIEW OF THE LADY'S ISLAND VILLAGE TASK FORCE.
THAT ENDS THE DISSOLUTION DOCUMENT.
DO I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? UM, I GUESS THE COMMENT I'D MAKE IS THAT I'M APPRECIATIVE OF THE IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE, ESPECIALLY ROB MERCHANT WHO PROVIDED STAFF SUPPORT ON THE COUNTY SIDE, UM, AND IS REALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR BRINGING THE TEAM TOGETHER TO GET THE FILL ORDINANCE, THE SEWER DENSITY ORDINANCE AND THE OVERLAY ORDINANCE OUT OF THE IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE.
AND UP FOR DISCUSSION HAD THE POLITICAL JURISDICTION.
SO HIGH FIVE TO, TO ROB ALSO, UH, ALAN PATTERSON, WHO SERVED AS THE CHAIR OF THAT COMMITTEE.
UM, I THINK WE FELT LIKE WE'VE SORT OF ACCOMPLISHED THE TASK THAT WE WERE SET OUT TO DO A FEW YEARS AGO.
NOW IT'S REALLY IN THE HANDS OF THE POLITICAL JURISDICTIONS TO, TO EXECUTE AND TO WEAVE THOSE ORDINANCES INTO THE REGULATORY FRAMEWORK THAT WE HAVE.
UM, ADDITIONALLY JASON HENSHER IS SERVING AS THE NEW CHAIR OF THE LADY'S ISLAND COMMUNITY PRESERVATION COMMITTEE.
UH, THEY'RE REESTABLISHING THAT.
SO I THINK WE'VE, WE'RE PRETTY OPTIMISTIC ABOUT THAT COMMITTEE.
UM, MARK, MAYBE A MORE FORMALIZED SETTING, A MORE FORMAL FOUNDATION
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AND BECOMING A MORE ACTIVE PARTICIPANT IN, UH, ADVOCATING FOR LADIES ISLAND ON BEHALF OF CITIZENS.SO, UM, SUPPORTIVE OF THE VILLAGE TASKFORCE STAND TOGETHER AND THINK THAT IT'S PROBABLY APPROPRIATE FOR IT TO COME ON TO THE NORTHERN REGIONAL IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE MOST OF THE POLITICAL LEADERSHIP AT THIS POINT NEEDS TO BE ADVOCATING.
SO I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE DISILLUSION.
I RECALL WAY BACK WHEN, WHEN WE HAD THE FIRST MEETING AT THE LADY'S ISLAND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, AND IT WAS OVERFLOWING PARKING LOT AND MEETING ROOM, AND THIS GROUP HAS COME A GREAT, GREAT LENGTH AND THANK YOU TO STAFF.
UM, BOTH MS. PALLIATE HE'S IN, IN THE COUNTY AND IT'S ACCOMPLISHED QUITE A BIT, BUT I AGREE THAT IT'S IT'S TIME FOR DISILLUSION AND NOT MANY GROUPS COULD ACCOMPLISH WHAT THAT GROUP DID.
SO IN A SHORT REALLY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS LOOKING FOR EMOTION? HERE'S WHAT'S GREAT.
WELL, I, I WOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO DISSOLVE, UH, BASED ON THE LANGUAGE THAT MIKE READ FROM THE DISSOLUTION DOCUMENT AND ASK THAT THAT BE INCLUDED IN THE, IN THE MINUTES MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, SEEING NONE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY RAISING YOUR RIGHT HAND, THOSE OPPOSED SEEING NONE MOTION PASSES.
UM, I WILL, UH, INCLUDE, AND I I'LL BE HAPPY TO, UH, SEND YOU A PDF OF THIS, UH, DOCUMENT, UH, TODAY LATER ON ALSO, UH, WITH THAT, UH, BECAUSE THE NR, UH, UH, NORTHERN REGIONAL COMMISSION HAS, UH, TAKEN UNDER ITS, UH, UH, SCOPE OF WORK, THE, UH, VILLAGE TASK FORCE.
I HAVE THE MANDATE THAT HAS BEEN ADOPTED FOR THE VILLAGE TASK FORCE.
UH, I WILL ALSO INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF THE PACKAGE THAT I'LL BE MAIL, UH, TO YOU.
SO WITH THAT, WE'LL GO BACK TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA.
AND, UH, THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS, UH, RIHANNA, FRY, UH, PRESENTATION, UH, REGIONAL HOUSING TRUST FUND UPDATE.
HOW ARE YOU DOING THIS MORNING? SO, UM, WILL I BE ABLE TO SHARE MY SCREEN? AND DO YOU GUYS, CAN YOU SEE IT, UM, FROM THE ANGLE THAT YOU'RE SITTING? I BELIEVE SO.
WELL, BEFORE I SHARE MY SCREEN, UM, LET ME JUST INTRODUCE MYSELF.
MY NAME IS BRIANA FRY, I'M WITH A CONSULTING CONSULTING FIRM.
UM, IT'S, ACARA ROBINSON I'M BASED OUT OF AUSTIN, TEXAS.
WE'VE BEEN HIRED BY THE PARTICIPATING JURISDICTIONS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN STARTING UP A REGIONAL HOUSING TRUST FUND IN THE U FOR IN JASPER COUNTY REGION, WHICH INCLUDES, UM, THE COUNTIES THEMSELVES, BUT ALSO SIX OTHER PARTICIPATING JURISDICTIONS, INCLUDING PORT, PORT ROYAL AND THE FERT, UM, AND FIVE OTHERS.
SO I HAVE MY COWORKER, ALEX MILLER HERE ON THE CALL WITH ME.
SHE IS OUR PRINCIPAL PRINCIPAL IN CHARGE.
SHE'S BASED OUT OF NEW ORLEANS, AND WE HAVE BEEN ON THIS PROJECT NOW FOR ABOUT FOUR MONTHS, AND WE'RE AT A REALLY PIVOTAL POINT IN OUR PROJECT.
WE HOPEFULLY WILL BE WRAPPING UP WITHIN THE NEXT TWO MONTHS, BUT WE'VE IDENTIFIED OUR FUNDING RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND SO WE WANT TO JUST TO TAKE ABOUT 10 TO 15 MINUTES OF YOUR TIME THIS MORNING TO SHOW YOU WHAT WE'VE GOT SO FAR.
AND THE IDEA IS THAT YOU MAY NOT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS YET BECAUSE IT MAY BE A FIRE HOSE OF INFORMATION, BUT WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS TO TAKE THIS PRESENTATION.
I'LL MAKE SURE THAT IT GETS SHARED WITH EVERYONE, UM, AND REACH OUT TO US IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.
UM, THE IDEA IS THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO COME BACK IN ABOUT A MONTH'S TIME AND I WILL BE PRESENTING OUR FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE SOUTHERN LOW COUNTRY BOARD ON JUNE 29TH.
AND WE HOPE THAT YOU ALL WILL ALSO BE ABLE TO ATTEND OR, UM, CALL IN VIRTUALLY I'LL BE IN PERSON.
UM, AND THE IDEA IS THAT, UM, THEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO START EXECUTING SOME AGREEMENTS AMONGST THE JURISDICTIONS TO CONTRIBUTE FUNDS.
SO I WILL, UM, START FROM THE BEGINNING OF OUR PRESENTATION, AND THEN I'LL SLOWLY, UM, WALK US THROUGH WHAT WE'VE GOT FOR TODAY BEFORE WE START.
COULD I MAKE A POINT THAT I THINK WE NEED TO BE INVITED AS THIS GROUP TO THAT MEETING, UM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST SO LOCO PROJECT, UM, EXACTLY.
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CAN WE DO IT THAT WAY? THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE THE INTENT, BUT I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THE NAMES, SO LOCO UNFORTUNATELY, WAS ATTACHED TO THIS, BUT IT REALLY IS NOT, IT'S NOT THE POINT.AND WE NEED TO BE IN THIS GROUP NEEDS TO BE INVITED INTO THAT.
THAT'S OFTENTIMES NOT THE PERCEPTION.
THE INTENT IS THAT WE WILL HAVE THE FULL HOUR TO PRESENT OF THAT MEETING.
SO I THINK YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.
IT SHOULD BE A JOINT AND WE'VE ALREADY CHANGED THE NAME.
WE NO LONGER ARE REFERENCING SOLO LOCO BECAUSE OF THE CONFUSION.
SO NOW THE NAME IS OFFICIALLY GOING TO BE CALLED THE BUFORD JASPER COUNTY REGIONAL HOUSING TRUST FUND.
BUT I WILL MAKE SURE THAT THAT GETS COMMUNICATED TO, UM, THE INVITATION, UM, FOR THE JUNE 29TH MEETING.
SO, UM, I HAVE ABOUT A 10 MINUTE PRESENTATION.
I'M GOING TO BE WALKING YOU THROUGH SOME OF OUR DRAFT RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE WOULD LOVE FEEDBACK ON OVER THE NEXT MONTH.
AND THAT DOES INCLUDE OUR FUNDING REC UH, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND I JUST BRIEFLY HAVE A PHILANTHROPY PARTNER UPDATE.
SO STARTING HIGH LEVEL, THE MISSION OF THE BUFORD JASPER COUNTY REGIONAL HOUSING TRUST FUND IS TO CREATE AND PRESERVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE TWO COUNTY AREA OF SOUTH CAROLINA.
SO WE HAVE, UH, DRAFTED THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOES CAP CAPTURE THE GEOGRAPHIC REGION THAT YOU GUYS ALSO SERVE ON THE COMMITTEE TODAY.
OUR VISION IS THAT REGARDLESS OF THEIR SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES AND BUFORD AND JASPER COUNTIES ARE ABLE TO REMAIN IN THEIR HOMES OR FIND HIGH QUALITY SAFE WELL-MAINTAINED HOUSING IN THE SAME REGION AS THEIR PLACE OF EMPLOYMENT.
SO, UM, I'M GOING TO WALK THROUGH OUR OBJECTIVES, BUT REALLY WHAT WE UNDERSTAND, UM, IN TERMS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WE DESIRE THIS HOUSING TRUST UNDERSERVED, ARE THOSE IN YOUR EMPLOYMENT SECTOR THAT DEFINITELY HAVE A FINANCIAL STRAIN ON FINDING AFFORDABLE AND QUALITY HOUSING.
UM, AND I WILL JUST BRIEFLY MENTION WE'VE DONE, UM, EXTENSIVE COMMUNITY RESEARCH, UH, UNDERSTANDING THE SOCIO DEMOGRAPHIC TRENDS IN THE REGION AND THE HOUSING MARKET AS WELL.
SO IF ANY OF YOU GUYS WANT TO SEE THOSE, THAT RESEARCH THAT WE'VE DONE, WE'VE COMPILED THEM INTO TWO DIFFERENT MEMOS.
SO OUR OBJECTIVES ARE TO CREATE NEW HOUSING UNITS OR REHAB AND PRESERVE EXISTING UNITS FOR HOUSEHOLDS AT, OR BELOW ONE 20% OF THE AMI WITH A STRONG FOCUS ON HOUSEHOLDS AT, OR BELOW 60% OF AMI.
SO WE DO WANT TO CAPTURE MIXED AFFORDABILITY LEVELS, AND WE THINK THAT THIS IS A GOOD WAY TO MODEL THE HOUSING TRUST FUNDS SO THAT IT IS NOT PRECLUDING OTHER DEVELOPMENT SUCH AS MIXED INCOME DEVELOPMENTS THAT COULD REALLY HELP, UM, THE REGION IN TERMS OF GETTING AFFORDABLE UNITS ONLINE.
UM, BUT WE DO WANT THE HOUSING TRUST FUND TO HAVE A FOCUS AT 60% OR BELOW.
SO, LIKE I MENTIONED, OUR RESEARCH IN OUR HOUSING MARKET RESEARCH, WE PRESCRIBED WHAT WE THINK MEANS 60% SINCE WE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT B FOR COUNTIES, AMI IS HIGHER THAN JASPER COUNTIES.
SO WE'VE DONE SOME ANALYSIS AND WE HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, TIED TO THAT NUMBER.
WE WANT THE HOUSING TRUST FUND TO BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE STATE ENABLING LEGISLATION THAT MAINTAINS A FOCUS ON HOUSEHOLDS BELOW 50% AMI.
SO THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE HOUSING TRUST FUND AGAIN, DOES CATER AND ALLOW FOR THAT MIXED INCOME, BUT ALSO TO HAVE FOCUSES THAT DOES ALIGN WITH THE STATE ENABLING LEGISLATION.
WE WANT THE HOUSING TRUST FUND TO PROVIDE WORKFORCE HOUSING FOR THE GROWING REGIONAL ECONOMY AND TO HELP HOUSEHOLDS MAINTAIN FINANCIAL STABILITY AND BUILD WEALTH BY REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY SPEND ON HOUSING AND TRANSPORTATION.
SO WE DO THINK THAT THIS REGIONAL MODEL OF A HOUSING TRUST FUND WILL BE EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL FOR YOUR REGION, NOTING THAT THERE ARE MAIN ECONOMIC EMPLOYMENT CENTERS AND KNOWING THAT PEOPLE COMMUTE ACROSS JURISDICTION LINES TO GET TO THEIR PLACES OF EMPLOYMENT FROM THEIR HOUSEHOLDS.
OUR LAST THREE OBJECTIVES ARE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE HOUSING TRUST FUND IS SET UP IN A WAY THAT IT'S NOT ONLY PROVIDING FUNDING, BUT IT'S ALSO BUILDING THAT PIPELINE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNIT.
SO WE SEE THAT THIS MODEL CAN STRENGTHEN RELATIONSHIPS, BUILD TRUST, AND ENGAGE PARTNERS AND STAKEHOLDERS ENSURING THAT AN ORGANIZED AND COLLABORATIVE APPROACH TO RECENT REGIONAL HOUSING CHALLENGES.
SO THIS HOUSING TRUST FUND WOULD BE UPDATING YOUR COMMITTEES, UPDATING LOCAL JURISDICTIONS, BEING INVOLVED IN ADVOCACY AND REALLY PROPELLING THE REGION FORWARD, BUILDING THE WINE.
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UM, UM, AND SOMETIMES THAT IS, UM, BUILDING THE PIPELINE WITH DEVELOPERS.SO THAT IS THESE LAST TWO BULLET POINT ITEMS, INCREASING AWARENESS OF EXISTING AND NEW FINANCIAL PRODUCTS THAT SERVE THE COUNTIES AS WELL AS LEVERAGING OUTSIDE FUNDING FROM BANKS, CORPORATIONS, PHILANTHROPIES, AND LOOK, UM, FEDERAL STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
SO WE DO THINK THAT IN THE LONGTERM, THIS HOUSING TRUST FUND WOULD REALLY HAVE A ROLE IN MAKING SURE THAT THEY CONTINUE ATTRACTING, UM, FUNDING.
AND SO WE DO HAVE SOME IDEAS ON THAT TODAY.
UM, AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO SPEND SOME MORE TIME ON THESE SLIDES WHEN WE COME BACK TO YOU GUYS IN A MONTH.
SO FOR REVIEW, WE HAVE THREE PROGRAM AREAS THAT WE BELIEVE THE HOUSING TRUST FUND WILL SERVE.
SO ONE, WE DO THINK THAT, UH, THEY, THE HOUSING TRUST FRIEND CAN BE A CLEARING HOUSE FOR PUBLIC PROPERTIES.
SO THIS WAS A PRIORITY FROM OUR STEERING COMMITTEE THAT WE KNOW THAT THERE IS AN AFFORDABILITY CRISIS IN TERMS OF, UM, REALLY INCREASING PRICES OF, UM, PROPERTY AND VACANT LAND.
AND EVEN THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE DEVELOPABLE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR HOUSING IN GENERAL.
AND SO WE THINK THAT THE HOUSING TRUST FUND COULD BE A CLEARING HOUSE FOR THE REUSE OF VACANT OR UNDER UTILIZED PUBLIC, PUBLICLY OWNED PROPERTIES.
UM, THIS IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN A LAND BANK.
AND I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR BECAUSE, UH, SOUTH CAROLINA DOESN'T HAVE THE LEGISLATION IN PLACE TO REALLY MAKE A LAND BANK, UM, FIND THE LEVERAGE THAT IT CAN IN OTHER STATES.
AND SO, BUT WE DO THINK THIS IS SOMETHING YOU GUYS CAN WORK TOWARDS.
SO IF WE GO AHEAD AND SET IT UP TO BE A CLEARING HOUSE FOR PUBLIC PROPERTIES, WE THINK IN THE LONGTERM, UM, ONCE THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA ALLOWS, UM, ENABLING LEGISLATION TO DO LAND BANK WORK, UM, THE HOUSING TRUST FUND COULD BE SET UP IN A WAY TO MANAGE THAT.
UM, THE BIG, THE, THE MEAT AND POTATOES THOUGH OF THE HOUSING TRUST FUND WILL BE LOANS.
SO WE WANT TO SET UP THE HOUSING TRUST FUND TO PROVIDE FLEXIBLE AND LOW INTEREST FINANCING FOR RENTAL AND FOR CELL PROJECTS.
SO WE DO THINK YOUR BIGGEST HOUSING GAP RIGHT NOW IS THE RENTAL MARKET FOR THE 60% AND LESS AMI HOUSEHOLDS.
AND SO WE DO THINK THAT'LL BE THE PRIORITY.
AND WHAT'S GREAT ABOUT THE WAY THAT LOANS ARE SET UP WITH HOUSING TRUST FUNDS IS THAT THE, THE MONEY IS THEN RETURNED AND CYCLED THROUGH.
UM, AND THAT GOES THE SAME FOR FOR-SALE PROJECTS.
SO WE DO WANT TO ALLOW THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE HOUSING TRUST FUND TO BE SET UP FOR SALE PROJECTS, BUT WE DO WANT THE FOCUS TO BE ON RENTAL.
AND SO WE WILL STRUCTURE A TURN SHEETS, UM, FOR THAT TYPE, UM, FOR BOTH TYPES OF PROJECTS.
AND LASTLY, UM, NOT AS NEARLY IMPORTANT, BUT A POSSIBILITY OUR GRANTS.
UM, AND SO IF THE HOUSING TRUST FUND IS SET UP TO PROVIDE GRANTS TO SAY AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPERS, UM, THAT MEANS THAT IT WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO COME BACK AND CYCLE THROUGH THE SYSTEM AND BE REINVESTED.
AND SO, UM, REALLY THIS WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY IS IF A PHILANTHROPY DOES PROVIDE FUNDING FOR THE HOUSE HOUSING TRUST FUND TO ADMINISTER THE GRANTS, RATHER THAN THE PHILANTHROPY DOING IT THEMSELVES.
AND TYPICALLY THAT, UM, THEY WILL HAVE PRESCRIBED RULES AND, UM, SERVICES THAT THEY WANT TO FUND RATHER THAN THE HOUSING TRUST FUND, REALLY HAVING THE LENIENCY TO DECIDE WHO THEY WANT TO FUND, UM, AS THE CASES WITH.
SO I WANT TO JUMP TOWARDS THE BIG QUESTION WE HAVE FOR YOU GUYS TODAY.
UM, WE HAVE WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING A 10 YEAR FINANCIAL MATRIX.
THAT INCLUDES THE FUNDING THAT WE WOULD ASK EACH JURISDICTION TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE HOUSING TRUST FUND.
AND SO WE ARE PROPOSING A MODEL THAT, UH, WE HAVE A GOAL OF RAISING $500,000 A YEAR FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS, WHICH WILL BE DISTRIBUTED ACROSS THE JURISDICTIONS BASED ON POPULATION SIZE.
AND SO OUR STEERING COMMITTEE HAS VETTED THIS MATRIX.
AND SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'RE GETTING TO SHOW YOU GUYS TODAY.
AND I THINK OUR BIG ASK IS JUST, YOU KNOW, DOES THIS MAKE SENSE? DO YOU GUYS THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOUR INDIVIDUAL JURISDICTIONS WILL BE ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS? AND, UM, WHERE CAN WE TAKE IT FROM HERE? SO LET ME WALK YOU THROUGH WHAT WE'VE GOT HERE IN THIS TABLE.
SO I'VE GOT THE T THE NEXT 10 YEARS PORTRAYED, UM, ON THE Y AXIS AND ALONG THE X AXIS, WE HAVE THE DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS.
SO WE HAVE HEARD COUNTY JASPER COUNTY HILTON HEAD BLUFFED IN PORT ROYAL PARTY BILL, THE CITY OF EFFORT, AND YET MISSY, AND REALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS WE'RE STARTING YEAR ONE WITH AN ASSUMPTION THAT WE COULD GET 3% OF THE STIMULUS FUNDS THROUGH THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN, UM, FROM EACH
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JURISDICTION.AND IF WE WERE ABLE TO GET 3% OF THOSE TOTAL FUNDS CONTRIBUTED TO THE HOUSING TRUST FUND, WE WOULD START YEAR ONE WITH ABOUT $2 MILLION IN THE HOUSING TRUST FUND.
AND THIS IS COMPARABLE TO THE PURE HOUSING TRUST FUNDS THAT WE'VE RESEARCHED.
SOME OTHER SOUTH CAROLINA HOUSING TRUST FUNDS WERE ABLE TO START YEAR ONE WITH $3 MILLION, AND THAT'S JUST COMING FROM ONE CITY.
SO WE THINK THE FACT THAT THIS IS COULD BE DISTRIBUTED ACROSS MULTIPLE JURISDICTIONS.
YOU KNOW, WE MAY BE EVEN ABLE TO GET A BIGGER NUMBER OR THIS $2 MILLION TARGET WE THINK IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DEFINITELY REACH.
UM, THEN MOVING FORWARD FROM YOU YEAR TWO TO YEAR 10.
AGAIN, WE HAVE THAT $500,000 GOAL, UM, UH, AN ANNUALLY TO BE GATHERED FROM EACH JURISDICTION BASED ON THEIR POPULATION SIZE.
SO WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE IS WE'VE DETAILED.
WHAT ABOUT TWO FROM A DOLLAR PERSPECTIVE ANNUALLY, AND YOU GUYS CAN GET UP TO ABOUT $7 MILLION BY YEAR 10.
AND REALLY WE THINK THAT $2 MILLION IS A GOOD THRESHOLD TO REALLY GET SOME LENDING GOING.
UM, WE KNOW THAT IT'LL TAKE A COUPLE OF YEARS TO, UM, SEE THE RETURN ON THOSE INVESTMENTS FROM THE DEVELOPERS TO BE CYCLED BACK INTO THE HOUSING TRUST FUND.
BUT WE HOPE THAT BY ATTRACTING $500,000 A YEAR, THAT REALLY MOVES THE NEEDLE TOWARDS BEING ABLE TO REINVEST $500,000 INTO HOUSING EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
AND THIS IS ALL ASSUMPTIONS AT THIS POINT.
WE WANT YOU GUYS TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THIS BACK, DIGEST IT, GIVE US FEEDBACK.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE'LL BE COMING BACK IN, UM, AT THE END OF JUNE FOR OUR FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO THIS IS WHERE THE MAJORITY OF OUR CONVERSATION, UM, WANTS TO BE HAD TODAY, BUT I WILL JUST QUICKLY FLIP A SLIDE AND SHOW YOU GUYS.
WE, WE ARE ASSUMING THAT EACH JURISDICTION WILL BE CONTRIBUTING FROM DIFFERENT POCKS POCKETS OF MONEY.
SO WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE IS WE'VE DETAILED OUT THE, UH, FISCAL YEAR 2020S, UH, BUDGETS FROM EACH OF YOUR JURISDICTIONS.
THERE IS STILL SOME MISSING INFORMATION THAT WE'RE GATHERING, BUT KNOWING HERE THAT EVERYONE DOES HAVE DIFFERENT POCKETS OF MONEY THAT THEY MAY DECIDE TO, UM, PULL FROM TO CONTRIBUTE FROM THE HOUSING TRUST FUND.
AND I THINK THAT THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT PROCESSES IN PLACE TO APPROVE THIS FUNDING, TO THE COME TO THE HOUSING TRUST FUND.
AND IT WOULD NEED TO BE SET UP IN A WAY THAT THERE COULD BE FLEXIBILITY AND PROVIDING SOME OF THIS FUNDS AND WHETHER OR NOT IT COMES IN AT THE, DURING YEAR ONE DURING YEAR TWO, AND HAVING THAT FLEXIBILITY OF, UM, DISTRIBUTING FUNDS TO THE HOUSING TRUST FUND.
SO THIS YELLOW LINE ITEM IS THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN FUNDS THAT WE UNDERSTAND ARE COMING TO EACH OF YOUR JURISDICTIONS.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE'RE ONLY ASKING THAT 3% THE, UM, PROVIDED TO IT, UH, THE HOUSING TRUST FUND, IF YOU GUYS APPROVE THAT IDEA.
UM, SO I'LL PAUSE FOR QUESTIONS.
AND I ALSO WANT TO ALLOW ALEX MILLER MY PRINCIPAL IN CHARGE TO CHIME IN WITH ANYTHING THAT I BREEZED OVER TOO QUICKLY.
BRIANNA, I THINK THAT WAS GREAT.
SO LET'S JUST TAKE SOME QUESTIONS, BRIANA, THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THE FUNDING MATRIX.
UM, IF I WAS, IF I UNDERSTOOD THE PROGRAM OBJECTIVES, CLEARLY IT WAS ABOUT LOANS TO SERVE AT LEAST SOME HOUSEHOLDS IN THE BELOW $49,000 OR 60% AMI RANGE, UH, TO HELP COORDINATE PUBLIC PROPERTIES AND THE USE OF THOSE PROPERTIES.
AND THEN, UH, POSSIBLY TWO GRANTS.
I THINK ABOUT THE ORGANIZATION BEING ABLE TO DO THAT.
I THINK THAT WE HAVE SOME ORGANIZATIONS IN TOWN THAT ARE ALREADY IN THAT SPACE.
AND SO I WAS CURIOUS IF YOU, FOR HOUSING AUTHORITY OR HABITAT FOR HUMANITY HAVE BEEN ENGAGED ON THE STEERING COMMITTEE WITH THE STUDY.
WE HAVE TALKED TO THEM AND WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE AND HOW THIS HOUSING TRUST FUND CAN BE SET UP IN A WAY TO FILL THAT GAP WITHIN THE REGION.
AND, UH, ALEX, I KNOW THAT YOU HAD THE CHANCE TO SPEAK TO BOTH OF THEM DURING THE INTERVIEW.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANYTHING.
I THINK, I THINK THAT THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT.
UM, AND WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING AS AN ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE FOR THIS ENTITY IS THAT THERE BE A LOCAL FIVE OH ONE C3, WHETHER IT'S A NEW FIVE OH ONE C3 OR AN EXISTING FIVE OH ONE C3 THAT HASN'T BEEN DETERMINED.
UM, BUT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY, UH, YEAH, THERE YOU GO.
THANKS BRIANNA, THAT WOULD MANAGE THE ACTUAL ADMINISTRATION OF THE HOUSING TRUST FUND, UM, WITH A PARTNER THAT WOULD BE, UM, ACQUIRED THROUGH AN RFQ THAT WOULD BE A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, FINANCIAL INSTITUTION, UM, LIKE, UH, COMMUNITY WORKS, SOUTH CAROLINA THAT, UM, THAT ACTUALLY ADMINISTERED THE GREENVILLE HOUSING TRUST FUND,
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OR LIKE THE, UH, THERE'S ANOTHER ENTITY IN CHARLESTON.UM, THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ACTUALLY ONE LOCAL ENTITY THAT HAS THE CDFI ABILITY WITH THAT SORT OF PARTNERSHIP.
DOES IT MEAN THAT YOU HAVE A GREAT LOCAL, YOU KNOW, ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE FUND THAT IS GOVERNED BY A LOCAL BOARD, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE THIS EXPERTISE IN MAKING LOANS, UM, WHICH IS WHAT THE CDFI BRINGS IN, PARTICULARLY THEIR MISSION AS ESTABLISHED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS TO MAKE LOANS TO PROJECTS THAT ARE COMMUNITY SERVING IN EXACTLY THIS WAY.
SO THEY'RE VERY USED TO BEING FLEXIBLE IN THE WAY THAT YOU NEED TO, WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE WAY THAT LIKE A TRADITIONAL BANK MAY NOT BE ABLE TO, UM, FOR, YOU KNOW, SAY PRE-DEVELOPMENT DOLLARS OR ACQUISITION OF PROPERTY OR OTHER THINGS THAT MAY, MAY COME UP AS PART OF THESE DEALS TO REALLY GET THEM DONE.
UM, AND SO WE THINK THAT THAT'S PROBABLY THE PROPOSED ORGANIZATIONAL, THAT'S DEFINITELY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND.
UM, AND IT PROBABLY IS GOING TO END UP BEING THE ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE.
SO I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE TO TALK TO, WE DIDN'T ASK THOSE LOCAL ENTITIES SPECIFICALLY, IF THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN KIND OF SERVING AS A FIVE OH ONE C3 FOR THIS, I KNOW THAT EACH HAVE THEIR OWN MISSIONS AS WELL.
UM, AND SO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THEY'D BE OPEN TO.
UM, AND WE DO THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY IS A KIND OF FOLLOW UP CONVERSATION.
ONCE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE MADE WITH VARIOUS ENTITIES TO SORT OF SEE WHERE THAT SHOULD RESIDE, BUT WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE ENGAGED WITH THOSE ENTITIES TO FIND OUT HOW THIS CAN BE OF THE MOST ASSISTANCE TO THEM.
UM, AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TRIED TO MAKE THIS AS FLEXIBLE AS POSSIBLE, WHICH IS, I THINK REALLY WHAT WE HEARD FROM EVERYONE, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WILL BE USEFUL TO SOME OF THOSE ENTITIES THAT ARE ALREADY OPERATING LOCALLY, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IS BUILDING THAT PIPELINE.
SO I KNOW IN MEMO, ONE THAT YOU PRODUCED IN MARCH, THERE WERE THREE OPTIONS, AND I THINK THOSE OPTIONS MIGHT BE PARTIALLY CAPTURED ON THIS SLIDE, JUST SO I'M JUST SO I'M CLEAR, UM, WHAT, WHICH MODEL ARE YOU GONNA RECOMMEND THAT WE PROCEED WITH? I RECOMMEND THIS SORT OF FIVE OH ONE C3 CDFI PARTNERSHIP THAT'S DONE ON THIS SLIDE.
WE'D START OUR OWN, OUR NEW FIVE OH ONE C3 THAT WOULD BE STAFFED.
AND I THINK WE, SO I THINK THERE'S SOME QUESTION, UM, JUST FROM FEEDBACK WE'VE GOTTEN AS TO WHETHER THERE WOULD BE A NEW FIVE OH ONE C3 OR WHETHER THAT WOULD SEEK TO BE ADMINISTERED BY AN EXISTING FIVE OH ONE C3.
WE DON'T PARTICULARLY HAVE A POSITION ON THAT.
AS LONG AS THE EXISTING PRIVATE ONE C3 IS FULLY AWARE OF KIND OF WHAT IT TAKES TO DO THIS AND HAS THE FUNDING THAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO KIND OF GET THIS OFF THE GROUND.
I DO THINK ONE THING THAT WE, UM, HAVE HEARD FROM SOME OF OUR PHILANTHROPIC PARTNERS IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST IN POTENTIALLY SUPPORTING SOME OF THOSE STARTUP COSTS AND STAFFING AND ADMINISTRATION IN THE FIRST YEARS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, BUT YES, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE RECOMMENDING IS EITHER STARTING A NEW FIVE OH ONE C3 OR HAVING THIS BECOME A PROGRAM OF AN EXISTING PRIVATE ONE C3, IF THAT'S THE WAY THAT THE COMMITTEES WANT TO GO.
BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE STARTUP OF A NEW FIVE OH ONE, THERE TAKES UP TO THREE YEARS TO REALLY SORT OF DEMONSTRATE THE BALANCE SHEET AND WORK THROUGH.
THAT'S WHERE THE CDFI ACTUALLY COMES IN.
AND SO WHAT YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IS START A NEW CDFI FOR SURE DO NOT DO THAT BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE THAT SORT OF THREE-YEAR PERIOD COMES IN FOR TRYING TO KIND OF BUILD UP A BALANCE SHEET AND DO OTHER THINGS.
BUT IF YOU PARTNER WITH AN EXISTING CDFI THAT ALREADY HAS THE BALANCE SHEET, THEN I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO WORRY SO MUCH ABOUT WHETHER THE FIVE OH ONE C3 IS NEWER, EXISTING CDFI.
I CAN HELP WITH THE UNDERWRITING.
THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY THEIR ROLE, RIGHT? AS YOU'RE KIND OF HELPING BRING THEM THE PROJECTS, THE PEOPLE, THE PARTNERS, UM, YOU'RE KIND OF DOING THE LOCAL CONVENING AND COORDINATION THROUGH THAT FIVE OH ONE C3, UM, AND MAKING SURE THAT THE PRIORITIES OF THE FUND ARE MAINTAINED, BUT THE CDFI IS BRINGING THAT TECHNICAL EXPERTISE ON LOAN UNDERWRITING.
THEY'RE THE ONES WHO ARE ACTUALLY ISSUING THE LOANS, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THAT.
SO THEY'RE REALLY MANAGING THE SORT OF MONEY SIDE OF IT FOR YOU IN THAT WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS EFFECTIVE.
UM, I HAD A QUESTION, UH, IN YOUR COSTS FOR THIS, HAVE YOU, I THINK YOU HAVE, BUT HAVE YOU INCLUDED THINKING ABOUT THE, THE MANDATORY FEES THAT, UM, HOUSING HAS TO PAY SUCH AS THE SEWER WATER HOOKUPS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, IS THAT INCLUDED IN THESE COSTS OR WOULD THAT BE AN ADDITION? UM, FOR INSTANCE, BUFORD COUNTY SET ASIDE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS LAST YEAR, AND WE'RE GOING TO DO IT THIS YEAR FOR THE HOOKUPS, BUT, UM, FOR YOU FOR JASPER WATER SEWER.
SO WE NEED TO, IF IT'S NOT INCLUDED, WE NEED TO INCLUDE THOSE BECAUSE THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, THE MANDATORY COSTS THAT WE CAN'T GET AROUND, WE HAVE, OR SOMEBODY HAS TO PAY THEM.
SO I DO THINK THAT THE STRUCTURE WE'RE RECOMMENDING, WHICH IS LOOKING AT BASICALLY LOW-INTEREST FLEXIBLE LOANS AS THE PRIMARY FINANCING MECHANISM WE'D BE OFFERING, WOULD BE ABLE TO ENCOMPASS SOME OF THOSE FEES AND OTHER THINGS WITHIN THE LOAN STRUCTURE.
UM, NOW THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT FOLKS, LIKE THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE HARDER TO LEARN MONEY FOR, WHICH ARE THINGS LIKE PRE-DEVELOPMENT,
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YOU KNOW, EXPENSES LIKE, OH, I NEED, YOU KNOW, ENGINEERING DRAWINGS I NEED, YOU KNOW, I NEED ALL THESE THINGS I NEED TO DO BEFORE A PROJECT CAN EVEN START.UM, AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE DO SEE A POTENTIAL ROLE FOR GRANTS AS PART OF THIS FUND AS WELL.
UM, AND THE REASON WE'VE BEEN HESITANT TO SAY, AND I THINK THAT OUR MEMO'S GOING TO KIND OF SAY GRANTS LIKE, AND IT DEPENDS IS THAT IT'S REALLY ABOUT HOW MUCH, HOW MANY DOLLARS ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY BE INVESTED IN THE FUND.
BECAUSE IF WE HAVE A NICE LARGE FUND THAT'S GOING TO GROW EVERY YEAR, THEN I THINK IT'S EMINENTLY POSSIBLE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE'LL PUT 90% OF THE THING, YOU KNOW, THE FUNDS EVERY YEAR TOWARD LOANS AND WE'LL PUT PERCENT TOWARD GRANTS TO REALLY MAKE THOSE CLOSE THOSE GAPS.
BUT IF WE HAVE A MUCH SMALLER AMOUNT OF FUNDING, THAT'S GOING TO GO TOWARD THE FUND, THEN YOU REALLY NEED TO KIND OF CONSERVE AND GROW EVERY DOLLAR.
SO THIS CAN EVENTUALLY GROW ENOUGH TO BE REALLY EFFECTIVE.
UM, AND SO, BECAUSE WE DON'T YET HAVE, I THINK, A TOTAL ANSWER ON WHAT LEVEL OF FUNDING, I THINK WE'RE JUST GOING TO KIND OF WRITE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AS LIKE A CONTINGENT THING WHERE IT'S LIKE, OKAY, IF YOU HAVE ABOVE THIS AMOUNT, YOU KNOW, JUST, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU CAN MAYBE FOCUS ON GRANTS IF YOU HAVE BELOW THIS AMOUNT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE JUST FOCUS ON LOANS UNTIL YOU CAN REALLY BUILD THAT FUND UP.
HAVE YOU SEEN, UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE HAS ONE, HAVE YOU SEEN THE DATE OF TRANSFER FEES BE USED FOR THIS? I SAW IT ON YOUR LIST.
AND COULD YOU TELL US WHERE? YEAH.
UM, SO WE HAVE DEFINITELY SEEN REAL ESTATE TRANSFER FUSE BE USED FOR THIS BRIANNA.
I THINK MAYBE THAT WAS THE NEVADA FUND WAS ONE OF THEM THAT USED IT THAT WAY.
UM, THERE, THERE ARE A FEW DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS THAT HAVE USED, UM, RE DIFFERENT TYPES OF REAL ESTATE TRANSFER FEES, UM, AS, AS SOURCES WALKING TRANSPLANTS.
AND WE CAN PROVIDE A MORE SPECIFIC EXAMPLE, BUT I KNOW THERE WAS AT LEAST ONE OR TWO THAT WE SPOKE WITH ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT WERE ALREADY DOING THAT NO SOUTH CAROLINA LAWS AGAINST THAT, OR ANY RESTRICTIONS ON DOING THAT.
SO THERE WAS A RESTRICTION, UM, ON, I BELIEVE ANOTHER TYPE OF REAL ESTATE TRANSFER FEE THAT WE DID NOT END UP RECOMMENDING FOR USE ON BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY EITHER NOT ABLE TO BE DEDICATED TO THIS OR IN THE JURISDICTIONS THAT WERE ABLE TO USE IT.
IT WAS ALREADY DEDICATED TO THE CONSERVATION, UM, CONSERVATION.
SO WE DID NOT RECOMMEND USING THAT SOURCE, BUT THE DEEP FOR FEES I BELIEVE ARE JUST LOCAL REVENUE THAT YOU CAN DO.
YOU CAN DEDICATE HOW YOU WANT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM BOARD? I WOULD LIKE TO GET THE, UM, BACK THE ANALYSIS YOU DID OF THE ECONOMIC.
UM, I THINK WE COULD ALL LIKE TO HAVE THAT BEFORE OUR MEETING, IF WE COULD.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY THE ANALYSIS, JUST LIKE THIS, THIS PRESENTATION HERE, OR WAS THERE THE ECONOMIC SORT OF PIECE ABOUT WHAT WE'D USE TO DETERMINE THE FUND ON 60% AND BELOW, I'M JUST MAKING SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT TO GET YOU.
I LIKE TO SEE THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON HOW YOU DETERMINE THE DEMOGRAPHICS, THE DEMOGRAPHICS AND THE AGE.
WE CAN SEND YOU THAT'S OUR MEMOS ONE AND TWO, SO WE CAN MAKE SURE YOU WON'T GET A CHANCE TO SEE THAT, RIGHT.
IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, I'D LIKE A COPY OF THE PRESENTATION SET OUT ALSO WITH THAT.
AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, SHOULD I SEND THAT TO CHRIS AT BEAVER COUNTY OR ROBERT MERCHANT? SO IT CAN BE DISTRIBUTED, CHRIS.
UM, AND I GUESS THE LAST THING THAT I WILL SAY ABOUT THOSE DEMOGRAPHICS KIND OF IN SUMMARY IS BASICALLY IF YOU LOOK AT THE OCCUPATIONAL CATEGORIES THAT ARE IN BUFORD AND JASPER COUNTY, RIGHT, AND YOU JUST KIND OF DIVIDE THOSE OUT.
THE TOP FOUR OCCUPATIONAL CATEGORIES ALL FALL INTO, UM, BASICALLY A BELOW 60% AMI SECTOR FOR THEIR AVERAGE WAGE IS BELOW 60% AMI.
SO THAT'S GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT RETAIL JOBS, SERVICE JOBS, LIKE THE ECONOMY IS HEAVILY EMBEDDED IN SOME OF THOSE, UH, THOSE JOB TYPES THAT JUST HAVE, YOU KNOW, SLIGHTLY LOWER WAGES ON AVERAGE, IT CAN INCLUDE TEACHERS, CHILDCARE WORKERS.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST A WHOLE BUNCH OF FOLKS WHO FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY.
AND SO, UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE HOUSING THAT'S ACTUALLY AVAILABLE, RIGHT, THE LARGEST GAP IS IN TERMS OF HOUSING THAT IS AVAILABLE TO SERVE FOLKS WORKING IN THOSE OCCUPATIONS.
AND BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT THE EMPHASIS OF THIS REALLY WAS WORKFORCE HOUSING, RIGHT? HOW DO WE CREATE A SUSTAINABLE ECONOMY BY SUPPORTING OUR WORKERS? UM, THAT WAS REALLY WHERE WE WANTED TO FOCUS.
SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE MEMO WHEN WE PROVIDE IT.
YOU RECALL THE RENT PRICE POINTS AT THE 60% BELOW NUMBER FOR BEAVER COUNTY.
DO WE HAVE, I CAN PULL IT UP IF YOU GIVE ME, IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL.
I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER FROM THE BOW AND I KNOW IT'S IN THE AND STUDY.
IT IS, UM, I DON'T KNOW, SORRY, I DON'T HAVE IT.
I THINK THE ONLY OTHER, YOU SAID 60%, RIGHT.
WHERE THE STATEWIDE LEGISLATION ACTUALLY SPECIFIES 50%, UM, AS A SORT OF FOCUS.
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IS SOMETHING WE THINK WE'LL JUST NEED TO KIND OF INCLUDE IN THE GOVERNING DOCUMENTS, EVEN THOUGH WE THINK 60% IS KIND OF A MORE DOABLE GOAL.UM, THE REASON WE REALLY WANTED TO FOCUS ON THAT, ADDITIONALLY IS CAUSE THAT'S YOUR KIND OF, UM, ABILITY TO LEVERAGE LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDITS KIND OF FALLS AT THAT LEVEL TOO.
AND I THINK AS MANY OF YOU MAY KNOW, RIGHT, THOSE REALLY DO SUPPORT LIKE MIXED INCOME RENTAL PROPERTIES.
SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE'RE SORT OF SAYING, OH, YOU KNOW, JUST, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED PERCENT, YOU KNOW, LOWER INCOME RENTAL PROPERTIES WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HIGH-QUALITY MIXED INCOME RENTAL AS THE REAL GOAL OF THIS.
UM, SO JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE FOLKS KIND OF HAVE THAT, UM, THAT VISION, RIGHT, WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT WHAT THIS IS GOING TO SUPPORT IS, IS THINKING ABOUT BOTH, YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF GREAT MIXED INCOME RENTAL PROJECTS THAT ARE WELL LOCATED AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S GAPS IN FOR SALE DEVELOPMENT, WE WANT TO SUPPORT THAT TOO.
SO WE DON'T WANT TO EXCLUDE, BUT WE DO THINK THAT THAT SORT OF QUALITY MIXED INCOME PRODUCT IS SOMETHING THAT WE STILL NEED TO KIND OF BUILD OUT IN THE MIX.
THE CLOSEST THING WE HAVE TO ANSWER, I THINK WE'VE DONE.
I THINK WE'VE DONE THIS IN THE MEMOS, BUT YEAH, I THINK HONESTLY, THE CLOSEST THING WE HAVE IN TERMS OF THOSE WAGES AND THE OCCUPATION, THAT'S THE WAGE SETS FOR REALLY LOOKING AT THOSE TOP FOUR.
SO THIS IS THE, THOSE TOP FOUR CATEGORIES.
UM, THERE, THE FOOD PREPARATION AND SERVING SALES AND RELATED OFFICE ADMINISTRATIVE AND TRANSPORTATION MATERIAL, THOSE ARE YOUR KIND OF TOP FOUR, UM, INDUSTRIES IN TERMS OF OCCUPATIONS.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE THE MEAN WAGE IS NOT, YOU KNOW, EXTREMELY FOR THOSE.
UM, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE WE'VE GOT HEALTHCARE AND EDUCATION IN HERE AS WELL.
UM, WHILE ON AVERAGE, THOSE ARE HIGHER.
UM, WE DEFINITELY THINK THAT THERE'S ROOM FOR, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOUNGER TEACHERS FOR CHILDCARE WORKERS, FOR, YOU KNOW, ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT HEALTHCARE PRACTITIONERS, YOU, YOU KNOW, ARE NOT NECESSARILY EARNING DOCTOR'S SALARIES TO BE A PART OF THIS AS WELL.
SO DON'T WANT TO THINK THAT WE'RE EXCLUDING THOSE FOLKS.
UM, BUT JUST NOTING THAT YOUR TOP FOUR OCCUPATIONS BY FAR, UM, ALL HAVE THESE KIND OF LOWER MEAN WAGES, WHICH IS WHERE WE REALLY WANT TO SEE US KIND OF CLOSE THAT GAP.
SO WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, SO WE CAN HAVE THE WORKERS THAT OUR ECONOMY DEPENDS ON HOW IT'S HERE.
SO IN THE VISION, UH, THAT YOU PUT IN THE ONE OF THE FIRST SLIDES, IT TALKS ABOUT, UH, THAT THE WORKFORCE CAN LIVE IN THE SAME REGION AS THEIR PLACE OF EMPLOYMENT.
AND I THINK WE, WE DEFINE REGION A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY AND BEAVER COUNTY, UM, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT IN TERMS OF GOVERNANCE? UH, BECAUSE I THINK WE AGREE.
WE WANT OUR PEOPLE WHO WORK IN OUR COMMUNITY TO ALSO LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND FOLKS WHO HAVE TO GET UP EVERY MORNING AND DRIVE AN HOUR TO, AND FROM WORK.
IT COMPOUNDS ALL KINDS OF PROBLEMS FOR US.
SPANKY THOUGHT ABOUT IT IN THE GOVERNANCE MODEL, HOW, UM, FUNDS WOULD BE DISTRIBUTED OR PRIORITIZED FOR, UH, PROJECTS THAT ARE WITHIN WORKFORCE IN URBAN CENTERS.
UM, SO I'LL TAKE A START AT THIS, BUT BRIANNA, YOU CAN FILL INTO, UM, SO WE, UM, WE LOOKED AT CREATING GEOGRAPHIC PRIORITIES FOR INVESTMENT AND OUR ULTIMATE TAKE BASED ON TALKING TO THE SORT OF PEER HOUSING TRUST FUNDS AND TO THE SORT OF LOCAL JURISDICTIONS WAS THAT IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE IN THE SORT OF GOVERNING DOCUMENTS TO SET UP ANY CREATIVE PREFERENCE.
UM, WHAT WE WOULD SUGGEST IN THE GOVERNANCE MODEL, WHICH WE'RE LOOKING AT BEING, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY A REGIONAL BOARD OF SOME KIND, WE WOULD THINK FROM ALL THE CONTRIBUTING JURISDICTIONS, UM, THAT THERE WOULD BE A MATRIX THAT WOULD ENABLE YOU TO PRIORITIZE PROJECTS.
AND WE HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE.
UM, BUT THAT WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS THAT ARE WITHIN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU SAID URBAN CENTERS AS A PRIORITY, KNOWING THAT THOSE SHOULD STILL TEND TO COST A BIT MORE BECAUSE THE LAND AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT ALSO THERE'S AN ADVANTAGE BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT PAYING, YOU KNOW, INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS OR HAVING TO INSTALL SEPTIC SYSTEMS OR OTHER THINGS, AS LONG AS YOU'RE DOING IT IN THOSE AREAS THAT ARE ALREADY CONNECTED TO INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, AND SO I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY OPEN TO, YOU KNOW, THAT BEING PART OF A MATRIX, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL BECAUSE WE HONESTLY THINK IT'S SOMETHING FOR THE GOVERNING BOARD TO DECIDE WHAT THEY WANT THOSE PRIORITIES TO BE.
AND I'LL JUST QUICKLY ADD THAT SOME OF THE PEER HOUSING TRUST FUNDS GAVE US INSIGHT THAT FOR THE MOST PART, THEY'RE ABLE TO FUND WHAT THE MARKET PROVIDES.
SO SOMETIMES IT IS ULTIMATELY THE, THE NUMBER OF DEVELOPERS THAT COME FORWARD AND, YOU KNOW, ARE APPLYING FOR THESE LOANS, DON'T REALLY KNOW NECESSARILY WHAT'S THE CURRENT
YOU KNOW, THEY USUALLY ALREADY SELECTED THEIR SITE AND IT'S WHETHER OR NOT THE BOARD HAS THE FUNDS TO FUND THEM OR TO FUND NOTHING.
SO, I MEAN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN BE IN, I THINK THE PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS LIKE SUGGESTING THAT THERE IS A PIPELINE BUILDING PROCESS AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS, WHERE YOU'RE ACTUALLY ONE OF THE REASONS WE WANT THAT FIVE OH ONE C3 WITH LOCAL STAFF IS TO REALLY CONVENE PARTNERS LIKE DEVELOPERS AND JURISDICTIONS AND FUNDERS TO SAY, HEY, THESE ARE OUR PRIORITIES,
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RIGHT? WE WANT TO SEE THESE KINDS OF PROJECTS COME THROUGH.WHO'S GOT SOMETHING THAT I CAN ALREADY FEED INTO THE SYSTEM.
UM, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE YOUR PRIORITIES CLEARLY TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY THEN, AND YOU HAVEN'T COMPELLING ENOUGH SORT OF, YOU KNOW, SET OF FINANCIAL PRODUCTS THAT THEY CAN USE, THEN THEY WILL BE ABLE TO START COMING UP WITH PROJECTS THAT MEET YOUR CRITERIA.
SO I DON'T THINK IT'S QUITE AS LIKE KIND OF BLACK AND WHITE AS SAYING, OH, WELL JUST DO WHATEVER FOLKS, YOU KNOW, WANT TO BUILD.
UM, BUT I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT, UM, IT IS IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CREATE THIS WITH ENOUGH FLEXIBILITY TO ALLOW FOR MARKET-BASED DEVELOPMENT TO HAPPEN BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE COMPELLING ENOUGH.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE JUST SAYING HERE'S A BUNCH OF CASH.
LIKE JUST TAKE IT AND BUILD THINGS, RIGHT.
SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE QUITE COMPELLING ENOUGH TO TOTALLY PIVOT THE MARKET FROM WHAT IT ALREADY WANTS TO DO.
SO IT'S KIND OF TRYING TO STRIKE THAT BALANCE BETWEEN WHERE THE MARKET IS AT WHAT FINANCING WE CAN ACTUALLY PROVIDE WITH THIS AND HOW WE BRING THOSE TOGETHER TO CREATE GREAT KINDS OF PROJECTS THAT MEET THE CRITERIA AND PRIORITIES OF THE FUND.
I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE THE STRUGGLE FOR US IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THAT, THAT GOVERNANCE MODEL, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AT THE RISK OF SOUNDING PAROCHIAL, UH, WHEN REALLY I TRY TO BE REGIONAL MINDED.
THE LAST THING THAT I THINK WE WANT TO DO UP HERE IS TO PUT MONEY INTO A REGIONAL TRUST FUND THAT THEN BECAUSE OF PRICE POINTS, RIGHT, YOU SAID THAT WOULD BE, MOST OF THE TIME DEVELOPMENT GOES WHERE THE PRICE IS.
AND I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, MEDIAN INCOMES THAT YOU SHOWED A MINUTE AGO REQUIRED TO AFFORD HOUSING, IT SHOWS THAT IN JASPER COUNTY, YOU CAN BUILD AND LIVE IN A HOUSE FOR A WHOLE LOT CHEAPER THAN WHAT YOU CAN IN BUFORD COUNTY.
YOU KNOW, FROM A PRICE STANDPOINT, BUFORD COUNTY IS GOING TO HAVE A REALLY HARD TIME COMPETING THE URBAN AREAS, THE URBAN CENTERS, WHERE WE'RE REALLY STRUGGLING FOR WORKFORCE IS GOING TO HAVE A REALLY HARD TIME MEETING THAT COST DIFFERENTIAL.
UM, SO I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO PUT PUBLIC TAX DOLLARS IN THAT'S THEN GOING TO EXACERBATE AND BUILD A LOT OF HOUSING DOWN IN HARTSVILLE, WHICH AGAIN, FROM A TRANSPORTATION STANDPOINT AND WORKFORCE LIVING IN MY CENTERS GET THE SAME TIME.
I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO BE SO STRICT THAT WE DON'T SPREAD THE WEALTH SORT OF BARELY AROUND, AROUND THE REGION.
SO I JUST THINK WE HAVE, WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT BEFORE.
I THINK SOME OF US ARE GOING TO BE WILLING TO, TO JUMP IN.
AND I THINK WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WORK ON THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
ULTIMATELY I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, ALSO THAT I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, FOLKS WHO ARE ON THE SORT OF PARTICIPATING JURISDICTIONS, I KNOW ERIC GREENWAY FROM YOU FOR COUNTY, I THINK HAS PROMISED TO KIND OF HAVE SOME MORE MEETINGS AND HELP KIND OF MOVE SOME OF THIS FORWARD.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN MAKE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT I HEAR YOU, RIGHT.
LIKE, ULTIMATELY IT'S ABOUT LIKE, HOW DOES THAT REALLY HAPPEN AND HOW DOES IT GET SET UP? UM, AND SO I THINK THAT'S PARTIALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, THIS IS, I GUESS WHAT I WANT TO SAY IS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT EVERY LIKE REGIONAL ENTITY I KNOW STRUGGLES WITH, RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT LIKE A UNIQUE PROBLEM.
IT'S NOT A PROBLEM THAT I'M SURPRISED OR SORT OF A CHALLENGE THAT I AM SURPRISED ABOUT.
I COMPLETELY HEAR YOU AND AGREE.
UM, AND I THINK WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT I HAVE VERY, A LOT OF FAITH THAT IT CAN GET SOLVED AND FIGURED OUT.
UM, BUT THAT IT'S GONNA TAKE, THE OTHER THING TO JUST KNOW IS THAT, YOU KNOW, DEALS TAKE TIME AND IT DEPENDS ON PIPELINE.
AND SO A LOT OF WHAT WE WANT TO DO ALSO IS START FIGURING OUT FROM EACH JURISDICTION, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE PIPELINE OF DEALS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY EXIST HERE? AND HOW DO WE SORT OF SET UP FOR SUCCESS THROUGHOUT THE REGION? AND ESPECIALLY IN SOME OF OUR URBAN CENTERS, WHETHER THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN PIECE OF LAND WE'VE BEEN LOOKING TO GET DEVELOPED OR WHETHER THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, A DEVELOPER WHO'S BEEN VERY INTERESTED IN WORKING WITH US AND WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE JUST NEED TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT THE RIGHT FINANCING TO GET THAT OVER THE HUMP OR WHETHER IT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE ZONING CHALLENGES, WHICH IS ANOTHER THING WE HEAR A LOT ABOUT TO BE FRANK, UM, IN SOME OF THE JURISDICTIONS THAT ARE MORE URBAN, THAT ARE MAKING IT HARDER FOR DEVELOPERS TO DEVELOP AND ARE THERE WAYS IN WHICH WE CAN KIND OF WORK THROUGH THOSE CHALLENGES TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR FOLKS TO KIND OF BUILD THAT PIPELINE LOCALLY? UM, SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT PIECES TO THIS THAT NEED TO COME INTO PLAY AS WE THINK ABOUT KIND OF WHERE THAT DEVELOPMENT CAN HAPPEN, BUT ULTIMATELY LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, IT, IT JUST HAS TO BE SOMETHING LIKE IF THE DEALS CAN HAPPEN RIGHT, THEN I THINK THIS FUND CAN FUND THEM.
SO THAT'S REALLY, THE CHALLENGE IS JUST MAKING SURE THAT THERE ARE FEWER BARRIERS TO THOSE DEALS AND THAT IF COST IS THE CHALLENGE, THEN HOPEFULLY THIS FUND CAN HELP OVERCOME THAT RATHER THAN BE SOMETHING THAT JUST, AS YOU SAID, SORT OF FLOWS TO THE CHEAPEST POSSIBLE PLACES.
CAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT ANYBODY REALLY WANTS TO SEE.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD HEARING NONE.
AND, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING THE INFORMATION FROM YOU.
THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS, UH, KATIE HERRERA, UH, FOR THE BUFORD COUNTY STORM UTILITY MANAGEMENT PRESENTATION.
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CAN THOSE OF YOU ONLINE? SEE THIS? THANK YOU.
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THANKS AGAIN FOR INVITING ME OUT TO SPEAK TO YOU ALL TODAY ABOUT WHERE THE COUNTY IS AND OUR SO LOCO IMPLEMENTATION TEAM IS IN IMPLEMENTING THE NEW STORMWATER DESIGN STANDARDS FOR OUR REGION.
UM, I KNOW THAT SOME OF YOU ARE VERY INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROCESS, THIS PROJECT, I KNOW BAND SERVED ON OUR TECHNICAL SUBCOMMITTEE AS WELL WITH ME.
SO, AND SOME OF YOU AREN'T QUITE AS FAMILIAR.
SO I WANT TO JUST PROVIDE A BRIEF, UM, BACKGROUND ON HOW WE KIND OF STARTED WITH THIS, WHERE WE ARE AT CURRENTLY AND THEN WHERE WE FORESEE OURSELVES BEING, UM, IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS.
SO NEXT SLIDE, ROB, INITIALLY THIS PROJECT BEGAN IN LATE 2017, EARLY 2018, AND WHAT THE COUNTY REALIZED IT WAS SORT OF BY OUR OWN VOLITION WAS THAT WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT PRESSURE COME IN, NOT ONLY WITHIN BEAVER COUNTY, BUT ALSO OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND OTHER COUNTIES.
WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT WATER ON LIKE PEOPLE DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THE JURISDICTIONAL BOUNDARIES AND WHAT WE DO IN THE COUNTY ISN'T NECESSARILY REFLECTED IN OTHER AREAS, FOR EXAMPLE, JASPER COUNTY.
AND WE SEE A LOT OF THAT RUNOFF COMING INTO, UM, OUR DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS.
SO THE GOAL HERE WAS TO HAVE EVERYONE IN THE PARTICIPATING MUNICIPALITIES HAVE THE SAME STANDARDS SO THAT YOU WEREN'T SEEING POLITICAL JURISDICTION SHOPPING JUST TO GET A PLAN PUT TOGETHER, UM, OR HAD DEVELOPMENT IN PLACE.
SO THOSE MUNICIPALITIES INCLUDED OURSELVES, THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL CITY OF BUFORD, UM, TOWN OF CITY OF HARTSVILLE STAFF, TOWN OF BLUFFTON AND JASPER COUNTY STAFF.
UM, FROM GETTING THIS TO LOGO GROUP TOGETHER, WE CREATED A TECHNICAL SUBCOMMITTEE AGAIN THAT WAS WITH PARTICIPANTS FROM ALL OF THE PARTICIPATING JURISDICTIONS.
AND WE PUT OUT IN RFQ TO GET THIS MANUAL KIND OF OFF THE GROUND AND RUNNING.
WE WERE ABLE TO BRING ON THE CENTER FOR WATERSHED PROTECTION, AS WELL AS MCCORMICK TAYLOR, TO SIT WITH US AND DESIGN THIS MANUAL AND TRYING TO INCORPORATE DIFFERENT APPROACHES TO STORM WATER RUNOFF, NOT ONLY FROM A VOLUME CONTROL ASPECT, BUT ALSO FROM A WATER QUALITY CONTROL ASPECT.
SO AGAIN, OUR TECHNICAL SUBCOMMITTEE WAS WITH ALL OF THE PARTICIPATING JURISDICTIONS AND WE MET OVER THE COURSE OF GOSH A YEAR AND A HALF.
AND TO BE HONEST, WE'RE ACTUALLY STILL MEETING, UM, ABOUT THIS, THE, THESE NEW DESIGN STANDARDS, UH, JUST TO GIVE AGAIN A BRIEF BACKGROUND.
SO WE BEGAN MEETING IN 2019 AND AFTER WE GOT THE DRAFT MANUAL AND ORDINANCE SET UP, WE WANTED TO PROVIDE PUBLIC INPUT AND COMMENT INTO WHAT WAS GOING TO BE PRESENTED AND COMING DOWN THE LINE.
SO WE HELD SEVERAL PUBLIC MEETINGS.
WE HAD ONE, BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH OF THE BROAD AND WE HAD PUBLIC COMMENTS CLOSE EARLY FEBRUARY, I'M SORRY, MID FEBRUARY, 2020.
AND THE TECHNICAL SUBCOMMITTEE GOT BACK TOGETHER, REVIEWED ALL THAT INFORMATION.
AND THEN FROM THERE WE HAD THE FINAL DOCUMENT FOR PREPARED AND, UM, SENT TO EACH JURISDICTION AT THE END OF MARCH, 2020, CONVENIENTLY THIS COINCIDED WITH REALLY THE, THE ISSUES WE'VE ALL HAD WITH COVID.
UM, SO FROM THERE IT TOOK A LITTLE BIT OF TIME FOR US NEXT SLIDE TO INDIVIDUALLY AS JURISDICTIONS FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS GOING TO WORK AND WHAT WOULDN'T FROM, WHAT THE MANUAL, UM, STATED.
SO AGAIN, WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF A GAP IN TIME FROM MARCH TO AUGUST, FROM THE BUFORD COUNTY PERSPECTIVE, WE WERE TOLD VERY EARLY ON THAT THE STANDARDS WE HAVE ALREADY IMPLEMENTED AND IN PLACE WE'RE NOT TO BACKSLIDE IN ANY WAY.
UM, AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE CARRIED THAT THROUGH THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE NEW MANUAL.
SO AGAIN, UM, AFTER WE'VE DONE A COUPLE OF PRESENTATIONS
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FOR BOTH THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL, AS WELL AS THE CITY OF BUFORD ON THESE NEW STANDARDS WITH, UM, FINAL APPROVAL COMING FROM BEAVER COUNTY COUNCIL AT THE END OF DECEMBER, 2020, NEXT SLIDE IN EARLY 2021, WE DID HOLD STAFF TRAINING.WE HELD STAFF TRAINING AS WELL AS BEAVER COUNTY DEVELOPER TRAINING TO GET THEM MORE FAMILIAR WITH THE STANDARDS THAT WERE COMING DOWN THE LINE.
CERTAINLY THIS WAS NO SURPRISE.
AGAIN, PUBLIC COMMENT AT THAT POINT HAD BEEN ALMOST A YEAR PRIOR.
SO WE'VE INVOLVED EVERYBODY AGAIN, AS EARLY AS WE CAN.
ONE THING WE ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE OF IS AS WE HAVE THESE DEVELOPERS COMING IN WITH THESE NEW STANDARDS, WE ALSO WANTED TO ENSURE THAT BUFORD COUNTY STAFF, NOT ONLY STORMWATER STAFF, BUT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT STAFF AS WELL, WHO ARE INVOLVED IN OUR PLAN REVIEW PROCESS UNDERSTOOD HOW OUR ORDINANCES WOULD WORK TOGETHER.
AND THE KINDS OF CHANGES WE WOULD BE SEEING ON SOME OF THESE PLANS COMING DOWN THE LINE.
SO AGAIN, WE, YOU FOR COUNTY IMPLEMENTED THIS MANUAL FEBRUARY 1ST OF THIS YEAR, UM, WE, TO DATE, WE'VE SEEN A TOTAL OF FIVE SUBMISSIONS UNDER THESE NEW STANDARDS.
WE DID PROVIDE EXCEPTIONS TO ADOPTING THE MANUAL.
IF THE PROJECT HAD ALREADY COME FOR APPROVAL.
PRIOR TO THAT FEBRUARY 1ST, 2021 IMPLEMENTATION, WE DO HAVE PROJECTS THAT ARE SUBMITTED FOR CONCEPTUAL REVIEW AND WE FELT IT WAS NOT APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THEM COME THAT DEADLINE REDESIGNED THE WHOLE SITE.
SO WE WANTED TO GIVE THEM, UM, THAT GRACE AND WE'VE ALSO HAVE SOME EXISTING P UDS THAT HAVE ADOPTED SPECIFIC WATER QUALITY AND WATER, QUANTITY CONTROL PARAMETERS WITHIN THEIR PDS.
SO WE'VE ALLOWED THEM TO WORK UNDER THOSE, THOSE P UDS.
UM, AGAIN, THOUGH, THE PUD DOCUMENTS, DO YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE, UM, THEIR REQUIREMENTS FOR WATER QUALITY AND QUANTITY B FOR COUNTY BEING ALMOST 50% WATER IT'S OUR, OUR STORMWATER STANDARDS ARE VERY STRINGENT, BUT IT'S ALL TO PROTECT OUR NATURAL RESOURCES AND OUR REQUIREMENTS COME STRAIGHT FROM THE EPA AND THE CLEAN WATER ACT.
ALL OF OUR WATERWAYS NEED TO BE FISHABLE, DRINKABLE AND SWIMMABLE.
AND BECAUSE BUFORD COUNTY HAS SO MANY SHELLFISH HARVESTING AREAS, OUR ROLES ARE EVEN MORE STRINGENT.
SO THIS MANUAL JUST REALLY HELPS US ENSURE THAT DEVELOPMENT'S COMING IN AND IT'S COMING IN, UM, APPROPRIATELY AND, UM, MANAGING AND CONTROLLING RUNOFF IN THE SAME WAY.
SO A LOT OF THE MANUAL THAT THEY CREATED WAS, I GUESS WE ALL CREATED, UM, TOOK A LOT OF WHAT WAS ALREADY IN, WITHIN THE BEAVER COUNTY STORMWATER DESIGN MANUAL.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, WE STILL REQUIRE THE THRESHOLD OF DISTURBANCE FOR 5,000 SQUARE FEET OR MORE TO HAVE A STORM BEAVER COUNTY STORMWATER PERMIT.
WE INITIALLY THE MANUAL FOR PEAK DISCHARGE, STORMWATER CONTROL ONLY INCLUDED THE TWO 10 AND TWENTY-FIVE YEAR STORM EVENTS, BEAVER COUNTY ALREADY ADOPTED THE 50 AND A HUNDRED YEAR STORM EVENTS AS WELL.
SO THAT WAS SOMETHING WE ENSURED, STAYED CONSISTENT BETWEEN THE MANUALS BEAVER COUNTY STILL DOES REQUIRE ON LOT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO CONTROL THEIR, THE VOLUME OF RUNOFF THEY'RE CREATING.
IF THEY'RE NOT EXIST, IF THEY'RE NOT CURRENTLY WITHIN A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY THAT TAKES ALL OF THAT RUNOFF INTO ACCOUNT.
WE STILL HAVE REQUIREMENTS FOR HOW WIDE OUR EASEMENTS ARE TO ENSURE THAT ALL OF THE BMPS, THE BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES THAT THESE COMMUNITIES ARE DESIGNING AND PUTTING IN CAN BE MAINTAINED PROPERLY.
YOU CAN BUILD IT, BUT IF YOU DON'T MAINTAIN IT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT STICKING TO WHAT THE PERMIT REQUIRES YOU TO DO.
UM, OUR PERMIT APPLICATION FORMAT IS STILL THE SAME, UM, CERTAINLY BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS, THERE'LL BE SOME DIFFERENCES, BUT FOR OUR DEVELOPERS, IT SHOULD, IT WAS AN EASY TRANSITION FOR THEM.
AND OUR FINAL PLAN CHECKLIST ARE ALSO VERY SIMILAR.
I'LL PROVIDE KIND OF AN EXAMPLE OF THAT IN A MINUTE.
UM, WHAT SOME OF THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCES ARE WITH THIS MANUAL ARE POST-CONSTRUCTION WATER QUALITY REQUIREMENTS.
I'M SORRY, IT'S ON THE SAME PRICE SLIDE.
UM, BEAVER COUNTY, BECAUSE BACTERIA IS OUR BIGGEST POLLUTANT OF CONCERN.
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IS AGAIN, REQUIRED TO BE REMOVED FROM THESE, UM, DESIGNED COMMUNITIES.WE ALSO HAVE NITROGEN REMOVAL RATES, BUT THE NEW MANUAL ADOPTS TOTAL SUSPENDED, SOLID REMOVAL RATES.
UM, PREVIOUS TO THAT, IT WAS JUST PHOSPHORUS AND TSS GIVES US A BETTER GRASP ON CONTROLLING TSS GIVES US A BETTER GRASP ON, UM, NOT ONLY PHOSPHORUS REMOVAL, BUT ALSO ANY SORT OF MICRONS THAT ARE ABOVE LIKE TWO MILLIGRAMS. THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT THAT WE CAN CONTROL WITH HAVING TSS BE REMOVED INSTEAD OF JUST STRICTLY PHOSPHORUS.
UM, WE, THE BEAVER COUNTY STORMWATER MANUAL USED TO INCLUDE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THE
WHAT WE'VE DONE IS REMOVED THAT INFORMATION AND JUST BY REFERENCE, THEY HAVE TO BE MEETING ALL OF THE STATE'S REQUIREMENTS.
SO, UM, IT, YOU KNOW, IT ALLOWS THEM TO, TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY NEED TO PUT IN, UM, VIA THE STATE STANDARDS.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ANY LESS STRINGENT THAN THE STATE ON THOSE ITEMS. NEXT SLIDE.
SO THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT OUR CHECKLISTS USED TO LOOK LIKE PRIOR TO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE SOUTHERN LOW COUNTRY DESIGN MANUAL.
WE HAD TWO SEPARATE CHECKLISTS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO DEVELOPERS.
UM, WHEREAS NOW WE HAVE A FULL, COMPREHENSIVE LIST.
SO EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO PROVIDE THROUGHOUT THE PLANNING AND DESIGN AND BUILD PROCESS IS ALL PROVIDED AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, OUR CONCEPT PLAN INCLUDES APPLICATION AND THE NOI INFORMATION FOR THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA.
UM, THE VICINITY MAP WHERE YOU'RE ACTUALLY PUTTING THIS PROJECT, ARE YOU LOCATED WITHIN A WATER BODY THAT HAS A 300 3D LIST CLASSIFICATION, A TMDL CLASSIFICATION.
UM, WE ALSO REQUIRE PEOPLE TO PROVIDE THEIR SITE PLAN CHECKLIST, ALL OF THEIR FEMA INFORMATION, WETLAND INFORMATION, UM, AND THEN THEIR BNP MAINTENANCE PLAN.
AGAIN, WE CAN ASK YOU TO BUILD THESE BMPS, BUT IF YOU'RE NOT MAINTAINING THEM, YOU LOSE THE, UM, RELATIVELY QUICKLY FINAL PLANS ALSO INCLUDES, UM, HAVING THE APPLICANTS PAY FOR THEIR, THEIR PERMITS.
UM, THE USG HAS TOPOGRAPHICAL MAP, ANY SOILS INFORMATION, AGAIN, THOSE IMPAIRED WATER BODY, UH, CLASSIFICATIONS, AND THEN ALL OF THE CON THE BUILD OUT THE BUILT OUT AS BUILTS, UM, AND THEIR STORMWATER POLLUTION PREVENTION PLAN.
SO AGAIN, JUST AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE CHECKLIST LOOKS LIKE NOW, WE'VE, I THINK WE'VE MADE IT EASIER FOR THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.
AGAIN, YOU'RE GOING TO KNOW EXACTLY THEY'RE GOING TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY NEED YOU NEED TO PROVIDE DURING EACH PHASE OF, OF DESIGN.
ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE, THE GOALS THIS MANUAL WAS ALSO TO, UM, CREATE DIFFERENT WAYS OF THINKING AS FAR AS HOW WE MANAGE STORM WATER RUNOFF FROM A QUALITY AND QUANTITY PERSPECTIVE.
FOR EXAMPLE, BEAVER COUNTY HAS OVER A THOUSAND STORMWATER PONDS AND ITS JURISDICTION THERE'S A LOT.
AND A LOT OF TIMES WHEN BUILDING THESE PONDS, YOU'RE CHANGING THE TERRAIN, YOU'RE POTENTIALLY EVEN DEFORESTING, UM, BIG PLOTS OF LAND JUST TO MAKE ROOM FOR A WATER QUALITY DEVICE THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THOSE TREES AND THOSE FORESTS PROVIDE POTENTIALLY JUST AS MUCH UPTAKE.
SO IT REALLY WANTED TO SEE HOW WE COULD DEVELOP USING IDEAS FOR GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE AND LOW IMPACT DESIGN AND HOW THOSE PRACTICES CAN BE INTEGRATED, YOU KNOW, FURTHER ADVANCING WHAT WE KNOW NOW VERSUS WHAT WE KNEW 30 YEARS AGO.
UM, SO I THINK WE'VE DONE A GREAT JOB IN, IN RE WITH OUR NEW STANDARDS.
THE, THE OTHER THING THAT WE ARE INTEGRATING ONE OF IN JANUARY OF 2022 IS GOING TO BE OUR BETTER SITE DESIGN PLANS.
RIGHT NOW, THOSE ARE LEFT OPTIONAL.
UM, AS WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE STORM WATER DEPARTMENT ISN'T GOING TO BE CONFLICTING WITH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SIDE OF THINGS, PLANNING AND ZONING.
SO WE'RE HAVING ACTUALLY CON CONVERSATIONS NOW ABOUT HOW DO WE INTEGRATE THAT APPROPRIATELY.
AND SO WHAT, WHAT YOU SEE OVER HERE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN IS THAT WHAT THE SITE, THE PLANNING PROCESS LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE LAND THAT'S CURRENTLY AVAILABLE IN OUR MUNICIPALITY.
AND AGAIN, I'M SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY FOR BEAVER COUNTY ARE LOWER
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LYING AREAS.THEY TEND TO BE VERY WET AND ARE THESE BIG PROJECTS COMING IN REALLY THE BEST WAY TO APPROPRIATELY, UM, GROW AND DEVELOP IN OUR AREA.
SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ONE THING WE'RE ASKING PEOPLE TO DO IS TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION HOW MUCH FILL ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE TO BRING IN, AND WHAT DOES THAT DO TO YOUR PROPERTY? YOU KNOW, IT TYPICALLY INVOLVES A LOT OF TREE REMOVAL, WHEREAS WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE, ARE PRESERVED.
NEXT SLIDE WE DID IN THIS STUDY WAS REALLY BREAK DOWN HOW, WHAT STANDARDS WE WERE GOING TO HAVE BETWEEN ALL THE JURISDICTIONS.
UM, THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT GROUPS.
UH, WE HAVE OUR SAVANNAH RIVER WATERSHED, WHICH IS THE, WHAT YOU SEE IN ORANGE THERE.
UM, THAT PORTION OF THE JASPER COUNTY TENDS TO BE VERY RURAL.
SO NOT HAVING SHELLFISH STANDARDS APPLY IN THAT WATERSHED MADE A LITTLE MORE SENSE.
AGAIN, THERE'S NO CLASSIFIED SHELLFISH HARVESTING AREAS THERE.
SO DESIGN STANDARDS ARE A LITTLE BIT MODIFIED FOR THAT REGION, UM, AND THE PINK REGION, WHICH DOES INCLUDE A SMALL PORTION OF RURAL NORTHERN BEAVER COUNTY.
AGAIN, SIMILAR STANDARDS, THERE AREN'T ANY SHELLFISH WATER, SHELLFISH HARVESTING BEDS.
AND SO THE DESIGN STANDARDS DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO BE A STRINGENT.
UM, YOU'RE STILL REQUIRING, WE'RE STILL REQUIRING, UM, SITE DESIGN FOR THE 85% STORM EVENT AND THEN TWO, 10 AND 25 YEAR, UM, VOLUME CONTROL EVENTS AS WELL.
AND THEN CERTAINLY WHAT YOU SEE AS THE LARGEST PORTION GREEN IS THE SHELLFISH, UH, THE SHELLFISH STANDARDS FOR EACH OF THESE GROUPS.
UM, THE HASH LINES REPRESENT ALL THE WATERS CLASSIFIED FOR SHELLFISH HARVESTING.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, AGAIN, ALL ALMOST ALL OF OUR JURISDICTIONS ARE CONTAINED, UM, ESPECIALLY WITHIN NORTHERN BUFORD COUNTY, THE CITY AND THE TOWN, UM, WE'RE ALL UNDERNEATH THE SHELLFISH STANDARDS.
SO THE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE TO IMPLEMENT ON SITE HERE ARE RETAINING THE 20, THE 95TH PERCENTILE STORM EVENT, WHICH IS ABOUT 1.95 INCHES WITHIN 24 HOURS.
UM, AGAIN, MENTIONING THE STANDARDS FOR REMOVAL RATES FOR TSS, TOTAL NITROGEN AND BACTERIA PEAK CONTROL.
WE'VE ADOPTED AGAIN, BE FOR COUNTY HAVING THE 50 AND 100 YEAR STORM EVENT INCLUDED IN THAT AS WELL FOR ALL OF OUR DEVELOPMENTS.
AND THEN THE 100 YEAR 24 STORM EVENT BEING CONTROLLED USING THE 10%, UM, RULE ANALYSIS, WHICH I'LL JUST TOUCH BASE ON A LITTLE IN A SECOND.
UM, AGAIN, WE HAVE, WE ALREADY HAVE STANDARDS FOR OUR NATURAL RESOURCES SURVEYS INCLUDED IN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE.
SO AGAIN, JUST MAKING SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE IMPLEMENTING WITH OUR STORMWATER DESIGNS, JIVES WITH WHAT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, PLANNING, AND ZONING, AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST DOCUMENTING THE USE OF BETTER SITE DESIGN SLIDE.
LET'S AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT BEAVER COUNTY HAS ADOPTED FOR ALL THEIR STANDARDS.
UM, WE'VE ALSO ADOPTED A CHANGE FOR THE DESIGN CALCULATION METHODOLOGY PREVIOUSLY.
UM, WE HAD, YEAH, WE QUANTIFIED OUR RUNOFF AND OUR WATER QUALITY TREATMENT BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF INFECTIVE IMPERVIOUS AREA, UM, WHICH WAS APPENDIX C OF OUR MANUAL.
AND JUST A SECOND, I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AGAIN, WE'RE USING FIND YOUR PHOSPHOROUS, NITROGEN AND BACTERIA.
UM, NOW MOVING TO THE TSS, NITROGEN AND BACTERIA, AND THEN WE HAD SORT OF LIMITED OPTIONS FOR WHAT WE WANTED TO SEE ON SITE FOR STORMWATER BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES.
NEXT SLIDE ON THE LEFT IS THE BMP, UM, THE BMP MANUAL, AND WHAT SORT OF BMPS WERE REQUIRED ON SITE, WHAT THE PARAMETERS WERE AS FAR AS AN EFFECTIVE IMPERVIOUS COVER.
AND THEN, UM, WHAT WE'RE TRANSITIONING TO HERE.
THIS IS THE MATRIX THAT SHOWS WE'VE INCLUDED.
I THINK 14 DIFFERENT TYPES OF BMPS THAT CAN BE USED ON SITE.
ONE OF THE OTHER, ONE OF THE ADDITIONS TO THIS, UM, IS THE TREE PLANTING AND PRESERVATION METHOD.
UM, WE ALREADY HAVE OPEN OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS, BUT WHAT THE NEW MANUAL DOES IS ACTUALLY GIVES YOU CREDIT FOR KEEPING AS MANY TREES SITE.
AGAIN, EACH TREE HAS ITS OWN, UM, UPTAKE, AND THEREFORE, YOU KNOW,
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IT CAN BE AN EFFECTIVE PMP FOR STORM WATER CONTROL X.UM, THE OTHER ONE, THE TABLE ON YOUR RIGHT THERE JUST SHOWS THE TYPES OF THE BEST TYPES OF BMPS TO USE.
UM, AND IN CONSIDERATION OF WHAT YOUR SITE KIND OF LOOKS LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, BREAKING IT DOWN BETWEEN RURAL USE AND URBAN USE, UM, AND THEN HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST TO MAINTAIN AND WHAT THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE.
THE GOALS OF THIS NEW MANUAL WERE IN NO WAY TO HINDER DEVELOPMENT IN THE COUNTY.
IT'S, WE'RE REALLY HERE TO HELP.
AND WHAT WE REALIZE IS TO GET AHEAD OF THE CURVE AND CONTINUE TO PRESERVE OUR AREA.
THESE ARE THE STANDARDS THAT, THAT NEED TO BE IMPLEMENTED TO DO THAT.
SO I THINK WE'VE DONE A GREAT JOB IN PROVIDING THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, UM, VARIOUS METHODS TO, TO GET THE, THE QUALITY AND QUANTITY CONTROLS, UM, TAKEN CARE OF NEXT SLIDE.
SO THIS WAS JUST AS AN EXAMPLE OF THE OLD WAY THAT WE USED TO DO IT.
HOW MUCH OPEN SPACE DO YOU HAVE, HOW MUCH OF YOUR PROPERTY WILL BE PERVIOUS, AND THEN HOW MUCH OF YOUR PROPERTY WILL BE IMPERVIOUS, NOT REALLY TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION WHERE, WHAT THE SOIL'S LIKE LOOK LIKE IN THOSE AREAS.
UM, DO YOU HAVE OPEN SPACE IN 15 DIFFERENT PLACES, OR DO YOU HAVE A MORAL ONE LARGE OPEN SPACE AREA AND THEN NEXT SLICE LIKE SIDE AND NOW WE'VE DONE IS BROKEN IT DOWN.
I KNOW, UM, YOU'VE GOT ALL THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF COVERS FOR YOUR PROPERTY, AS WELL AS YOUR SOILS TYPE LIST LISTED, AND THEN HOW TO GET THOSE REMOVAL REQUIREMENTS USING THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF BEANS AND PIECE.
UM, ONE THING THAT HAS CHANGED FROM THE BMP MANUAL TO THE SOLO GO STANDARD IS AGAIN, THE TYPE OF QUANTITY CONTROL YOU CAN GET WITH A STORM WATER POND.
UM, STORMWATER PONDS ARE INCREDIBLY EFFICIENT AT REMOVING ALL OF THOSE POLLUTANTS OF CONCERN I'VE BEEN DISCUSSING, BUT FOR VOLUME CONTROL BECAUSE OF OUR SEASONAL HIGH GROUNDWATER TABLE.
AND THEY MAY NOT BE THE BEST FOR ACTUALLY RETAINING RUNOFF, ESPECIALLY IN LARGER STORM EVENTS.
SO WHAT WE, WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THIS MANUAL IS REMOVED ALL THEIR RUNOFF REDUCTION UPON WILL HAVE, AND YOU'VE GOT TO MEET RUNOFF REDUCTIONS USING DIFFERENT TYPES OF BMPS, NOT JUST DIG A HOLE AND FORGET ABOUT IT, DRAIN EVERYTHING TO THAT.
CAN WE INFILTRATE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S STILL PORTIONS OF THE COUNTY THAT HAVE GREAT SOILS.
CAN WE GET SOME GROUNDWATER RECHARGE, UM, OR YOU CAN USE A POND, BUT INTEGRATE, UM, IRRIGATION REUSE.
SO NONE OF IT'S ENDS UP GOING OFF SITE.
AND THEN THE NEXT TWO SLIDES REALLY ARE JUST, AGAIN, A MORE ZOOMED IN VIEW OF WHAT WE HAVE, UM, UP AT THE TOP, WE SELECT THE DEVELOPERS SELECT WHICH WATERSHED PROTECTION AREA THERE.
AND THEN FOR US, IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE THE BACTERIA, SHELLFISH BACTERIA, AND SELFISH, SELFISH, SHELLFISH, UH, WATERSHED PROTECTION AREAS.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, PUTTING IN ALL OF YOUR CALCULATIONS, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU HAVE TO CONTROL AS FAR AS YOUR RUNOFF, WHICH IS DOWN AT THE BOTTOM.
AND THEN WE'LL IMPLEMENTING THOSE BMPS, ACTUALLY MEET THE STANDARDS THAT THE COUNTY HAS IN PLACE.
SO IT JUST TELLS YOU RIGHT HERE, UM, OVERALL HOW MUCH VOLUME YOU'VE CONTROLLED HAS HAVE YOU MET THE MINIMUMS FOR YOUR, UM, POLLUTANT REMOVALS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SAME THING FOR THE DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS.
SO I THINK WE'VE DONE A REALLY GREAT JOB.
AGAIN, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO HINDER DEVELOPMENT IN ANY WAY, BUT HOW CAN WE BE MORE FORWARD-THINKING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING ON SITE AND THEN NEXT SLIDE LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE JUST, WE ALSO REQUIRE THE 10% RULE ANALYSIS.
WHAT THIS DOES IS ENSURES THAT YOUR PROJECT IN NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM IS GOING TO IMPACT ANY DOWNSTREAM DEVELOPMENT.
YOU DO HAVE TO CONTROL ALL OF YOUR PRE-CONSTRUCTION AND POST-CONSTRUCTION VOLUME HAS TO BE, UM, I'M SORRY, LET ME EXPLAIN THAT A BETTER WAY.
YOUR POST-CONSTRUCTION RUNOFF HAS TO BE SMALLER THAN YOUR PRE-CONSTRUCTION RUNOFF.
SO AS LONG AS YOU'RE MEETING THAT REQUIREMENT AND YOU'RE NOT IMPACTING ANY DOWNSTREAM POINTS, UM, UP TO THE POINT WHERE THE DRAINAGE AREA IS A HUNDRED ACRES, UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE MEETING STANDARDS FOR THE SO NEXT SIDE,
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ALSO WITH THE UPDATE OF THE BMP MANUAL, THE STATE HAS ALSO UPDATED THEIR, UM, CONSTRUCTION GENERAL PERMIT PLAN.ONE OF THOSE ADOPTIONS, WE ALWAYS HAVE REQUIRED THE, THE STATE NOI FOR, UM, FOR
SO THAT IS ONE DOCUMENT THAT WE NO LONGER REQUIRE.
UM, WE'RE STILL WAITING ON THE, THE NPDS GENERAL PERMIT TO BE UPDATED FOR, FOR THE MUNICIPALITIES, UM, WITH THE CENSUS DATA COMING OUT FROM 2020, AND THEN THEM UPDATING THEIR, UM, MS. FOUR LIST.
WE ARE ANTICIPATING SOME CHANGES THAT MAY BE TO COME OUT OF THAT.
UM, AND THEN AGAIN, JUST REITERATING, WE STILL HAVE, WE STILL REQUIRE ALL THE SAME CONTROLS FOR SINGLE FAMILY PROJECTS AS WELL, COMING IN INTO THE COUNTY.
UM, SO AGAIN, WE'RE STILL HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE TECHNICAL SUBCOMMITTEE.
WE'RE ALL AT DIFFERENT PLACES.
AS FAR AS IMPLEMENTATION IS CONCERNED.
BEAVER COUNTY IS CURRENTLY THE ONLY MUNICIPALITY THAT'S ADOPTED THIS PLAN.
UM, AGAIN, MENTIONING PER BEFORE AT OUR SITE DESIGN PRACTICES ARE OPTIONAL AT THIS POINT TO ENSURE THAT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND OUR STANDARDS ALIGN.
UM, ROB AND I ACTUALLY JUST MET YESTERDAY ON HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND CONTINUING THAT.
SO IF THERE ARE CHANGES TO BE MADE PRIOR TO JANUARY ONE, 2022, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AHEAD OF THE BALL GAME ON THAT.
UM, AGAIN, WE'RE, WE, WE COORDINATE CLOSELY WITH ALL OF THE STAFF HERE, AS WELL AS THE TECHNICAL SUBCOMMITTEE.
AND AT THIS TIME WE ARE ANTICIPATING ONLY MINOR UPDATES, UM, FOR THE JANUARY 1ST, 2021 DEADLINE, UM, D HECK IS REVIEWING THESE NOW.
AND WE SO FAR HAVE NOT HEARD MUCH FEEDBACK FROM THEM, WHICH IS A GOOD THING.
UM, AND THEN OTHER JURISDICTIONS ARE PLANNING ON ADOPTING WITHIN, I THINK THAT TIMEFRAME AS WELL.
SO WITH THAT QUESTIONS SAID, ONE COUNTY HAS ADOPTED NOT YET.
THEY WENT TO, UH, THEY WENT TO FIRST READING, I BELIEVE AT TOWN COUNCIL.
AND THEY HAD, UM, SOME PUBLIC COMMENT THAT THEIR COUNCIL FELT NEEDED TO BE READDRESSED.
SO THAT WAS PART OF OUR MAY 13TH MEETING IS SEEING THE LIST OF COMMENTS THEY RECEIVED.
AND THEN IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT ANY OF THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS NEEDED TO WEIGH ON, WEIGH IN ON AT THAT POINT, I THINK THEY RECEIVED OVER 70 COMMENTS.
AND FROM THAT, THERE MAY ONLY BE TWO, BUT THEY'RE VERY, THEY'RE VERY MINIMAL.
KATIE, THANK YOU FOR A REALLY GREAT PRESENTATION AND ALL THE WORK ON THIS.
UM, YOU REFERENCED SEVERAL TIMES IT'S CALLED THE SOUTHERN LOW COUNTRY DESIGN STANDARDS.
DOES THAT MEAN IT ONLY APPLIES TO THE SOUTHERN LOWCOUNTRY? YES.
I MEAN, THE ARE JURISDICTIONS OR ALL, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY WHAT YOUR SOUTHERN LOW COUNTRY SORT OF BEEN DEFINED BY BLUFFTON AND HILTON HEADS, PARTY, BILL RIDGELAND, NORTHERN BEAVER COUNTY, NORTHERN REGIONAL IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE CHAIR.
SO AGAIN, I SAW THAT IT WAS REFERENCED TO IN YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU REFERENCED A FEW TIMES THAT IT WAS A SOUTHERN LOW COUNTRY DISASTER, RIGHT? YES.
INITIALLY EVERYBODY WAS ON BOARD WITH THIS AND THEN THROUGH DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITY DECISIONS, IT BECAME SOMETHING THAT WASN'T PARTICIPATED IN WITH ALL THE SOLO LOGO FOLKS.
UM, I THINK IT'S PRUDENT TO REQUIRE THE BNP MAINTENANCE PLAN AS PART OF THAT.
SO I FIVE FOR MAKING THAT PART OF THE THING, AND I IMAGINE THE POST-CONSTRUCTION RUNOFFS ARE BASED ON THOSE BMPS, RUNNING IT SORT OF FULL EFFICIENCY.
SO THE PLAN IS PRUDENT, BUT ARE YOU, IS THERE INSPECTIONS AFTER THE FACT OF, OF BMPS AND SOME TYPE OF COMPLIANCE THAT'S REQUIRED? YES.
SO BUFORD COUNTY WILL DO A FINAL INSPECTION ON THE BNP AFTER CONSTRUCTION'S OVER, JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S 100 IT'S ONLINE, IT'S READY TO GO FUNCTIONING AS DESIGNED.
AND THEN FROM THERE WE REQUIRE THAT BUILDERS PROVIDE MANUAL UPDATES ON THEIR BMPS AND THEN BEAVER COUNTY HAS THE OPTION AT LEAST ONCE PER FIVE YEARS TO GO IN AND INSPECT.
SO THE RECORDING WHAT'S REQUIRED FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE DEVELOPER REPORTING, REPORTING BACK ON AN ANNUAL BASIS IS THAT THAT CONTINUES IN PERPETUITY.
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RECORD A STORMWATER MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT, AND REGARDLESS OF WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY IN 20 YEARS, THAT AGREEMENT WILL ALWAYS BE INFLATED.HANG ON THE QUESTION FROM THE BOARD SAYING NONE.
STAY NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS STEPHANIE ROSSI WITH MILITARY RESILIENCE PROJECT UPDATE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
UM, IT'S BEEN A COUPLE MONTHS SINCE, UH, WE REPORTED THE STATUS OF THE MILITARY INSTALLATION RESILIENCE REVIEW PROJECT.
UM, SO I WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE TODAY AND, UM, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO OUR CONSULTANT TEAM FROM SHERWOOD DESIGN ENGINEERS, HAVE A HIGH THUMB SHADOW HERE.
AND, UM, HE WOULD, I THINK IT'D BE NEAT TO SHARE THE SCREEN IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
AND, UM, I'LL JUST TURN IT OVER TO HIM RIGHT NOW.
I WORK WITH, WITH DESIGN ENGINEERS.
I'VE BEEN WITH THE FIRM, UM, OVER THREE YEARS NOW AND WORKED ON PROJECTS, UM, THROUGHOUT THE EAST COAST AND INTERNATIONALLY AS WELL.
BUT I, I KNOW YOU'VE GOT AN UPDATE LAST TIME, BUT I'M HOPING TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, A LITTLE BIT OF HOW WE'VE STARTED EVALUATING THE STRUCTURE AND, UM, SOME OF THE HIGH POINTS THAT WE'RE NOTICING AS WE CONTINUE TO CONTINUOUSLY HAVE CONVERSATIONS.
SO IF YOU CAN SEE MY SCREEN, UM, I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH A COUPLE OF SLIDES.
SO, UM, BASICALLY ONE OF ONE, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE'RE ON BOARD AND THE TEAM THAT WE BROUGHT TOGETHER IS ON BOARD IT'S TO LOOK AT THE LAYERS OF PREVIOUS STUDIES, LOOK AT THE PHYSICAL INPUTS OF WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED IN THE PAST, UM, AND STARTED EVALUATING THE NET AROUND MILITARY BASIS AND SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES AND THE IMPACT INFLUENCES INVOLVED.
THERE WAS REALLY GREAT STUDIES, REALLY GREAT POLICIES.
UM, AND ONE THING THAT WE WERE TRYING TO BRING ON BOARD IS SOME ADDITIONAL LAYERS OF ANALYSIS AND ADDITIONAL THOUGHT, UM, FROM, UH, EXPERTS THROUGHOUT THE FIELD TO GIVE YOU A MORE HOLISTIC APPROACH.
UM, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DIG INTO THIS TOO MUCH, UH, BUT WE, WE STARTED EVALUATING AND BREAKING IT UP INTO THREE BUCKETS.
UH, WE'RE REALLY IN THE FIRST BUCKET RIGHT NOW, UH, TASK ONE IS REALLY TO IDENTIFY AND DISCUSS, UM, WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS, WITH GROUPS LIKE YOU ON SOME OF THE, UH, DATA THREATS AND NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITIES.
I'M REALLY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE PRIORITIES, UNDERSTAND THAT THE FREQUENCY OF ISSUES AND UNDERSTAND THE ADAPTIVE CAPACITY OF THE COMMUNITY.
UM, BASED OFF OF THIS WORK, WE, WE REALLY WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW, UM, EXTREME WEATHER AND SEA LEVEL RISE LAYER INTO YOUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ON UNDERSTANDING THE SHORELINES OF TODAY AND UNDERSTANDING THE SHORELINES AND THE FUTURE AND THE IMPACTS IN BETWEEN OUR WAY FOR US TO PLAN FOR MORE RESILIENT FUTURE NEURO ONE RESILIENT COMMUNITY CENTERED AROUND THE MILITARY AND CENTERED AROUND THE VALUES THAT THE COMMUNITY, UM, ENJOYS TODAY, WHERE WE BROUGHT IN BIO HABITAT TO NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED GROUP, ONE OF THE BEST GROUPS THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH TO REALLY START EVALUATING SOME OF THE ECOSYSTEM SERVICES AND SHORELINE SERVICES THAT CURRENTLY, UM, OCCUR IN THE AREA, UH, BASED OFF THE PREVIOUS CONVERSATION, IT REALLY APPEARS THAT WATER QUALITY AND THE SHELLFISH POPULATION IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
AND SO ONE THING WE'RE TRYING TO BRING IN IS HOW DOES THE SHORELINE ADJUST AND CHANGE TO FUTURE ADAPTS? I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH A COUPLE OF SLIDES.
UM, THESE ARE KIND OF MEANT TO STACK ON TOP OF EACH OTHER, BUT AS, AS RESIDENTS IN THE AREA, I'M SURE YOU'VE NOTICED HOW TITLED EVENTS ARE OR WHERE SENSITIVITY BEGAN AND UNDERSTANDING WHERE TITLE, WHAT TITLE EVENTS DO TODAY.
THE IMPACTS OF SHORELINE AND THE BENEFITS OF SALTWATER MARSHLAND AND ITS TRANSITION TO UNCONSOLIDATED SHORELINES, ITS RELATIONSHIP TO EROSION AND RELATIONSHIP, RELATIONSHIP, TO RESILIENCY FOR PEOPLE AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
AS YOU SEE, UM, TODAY TIDE JUST SLOWLY CREEPING UP SLOWLY, INUNDATING YOUR MARSHLANDS, AND YOU START FINDING THAT THE EXTREME HIGH WATER TODAY IS THE INTERMEDIATE TOMORROW.
AND AS YOUR SHORELINES ADJUST AND YOUR ELEVATIONS ARE HAVING TO ADAPT BECAUSE SYSTEM SERVICES, WHAT PHYSICAL SERVICES AND WHAT INFRASTRUCTURE SERVICES CAN WE ADAPT AND MAYBE, UH, IMPLEMENT THAT HELP RESTORE A NATURAL SHORELINE AS YOUR SHORELINES.
IT SLOWLY, UM, IT'S INUNDATED BY FUTURE CLIMATE CHANGE.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO BRING IS A TOOLKIT THAT UNDERSTANDS THE FUTURE OF, WE LIKE TO KIND OF THE BOTTOM OF THE BATHTUB OF SEA LEVEL, IT'S RELATIONSHIP TO EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS, BUT IT'S ALSO RELATIONSHIP TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND
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RESPONSIVENESS OF YOUR COMMUNITIES, UNDERSTANDING HOW YOUR COMMUNITY RESPONDS TO A HURRICANE OR EXTREME WEATHER EVENT OR A HAZARD IS IMPORTANT.BUT WHAT WE REALLY WANTED TO THINK ABOUT IS HOW THIS COMMUNITY COMMUNITY RESILIENCE PLAN CAN LIVE IN DIFFERENT TIMES.
HOW CAN IT REALLY UNDERSTAND AND PREPARE FOR FUTURE ACTIONS? HOW CAN IT RECOVER FROM EXTREME HAZARDS, EXTREME EVENTS, AND HOW CAN THEY RESPOND DURING EVENTS TO PROVIDE THE PEACE OF MIND IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY, UH, UH, QUALITY OF LIFE TO LIVE IN AN, ON A COASTAL CONDITION.
AND SO WE BROUGHT IN A COUPLE OF PRECEDENTS THAT HAVE STARTED FEELING A LITTLE CLOSER TO HOME, UM, IN THIS COMMUNITY AND THIS ENVIRONMENT.
AND SO THIS IS REALLY THE CRUX OF WHAT WE WANTED TO START SHOWING YOU THE DIFFERENT TOOLKITS OF WHAT WE WOULD BE PRESENTING, APPROACHING, AND LOOKING AT WHAT THE RESILIENCE PLAN.
UM, THIS PRECEDENT RIGHT HERE REALLY REPRESENTS AN ADAPTIVE MEASURE THAT UNDERSTANDS THE VALUE OF COVES UNDERSTANDS THE VALUE OF A NATURAL SHORELINE AND FINDS WAYS OF INTEGRATING LARGER ECOSYSTEM PROJECTS WITH HARDER PROTECTIONARY MEASURES ON THIS PROJECT HAD A KEY COMPONENT THAT WE THOUGHT WAS, UM, ADAPTABLE TO YOUR GEOGRAPHY AND ECOLOGY.
AND IT RELATED TO AN OYSTER OF THAT MID SHORELINE, AND NOT ONLY DOES THE OYSTER YVETTE AND THE SHORELINE PROVIDE, UM, DAY-TO-DAY SERVICES, UM, HAVING THAT ECONOMICALLY AND ECOLOGICALLY IS IMPORTANT, BUT THE ACCRETION PROCESS, UM, THE BUILDUP OF, UH, OF WHAT CREATES A SHORELINE IS SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT WITH THE OYSTER BEDS, UM, DEPENDING ON THE HABITAT AND DEPENDING ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS, WE FIND THAT SOMETIMES THEY MAY BE ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH SEA LEVEL RISE IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS.
AND SO HOW CAN THIS OVERALL PROCESS OF INTEGRATING AND FEEDING NATURAL RESOURCES CREATE A LIVING AND RESILIENT EDGE THAT PROVIDES OPPORTUNITIES OR A MORE ADAPTABLE FUTURE AND A MORE NATURAL FUTURE.
AND SO BUILDING OFF OF THAT, AND THEN SOME OF THE MORE DEVELOPED, UM, AS WE'VE NOTICED THAT THERE IS A DISPLACEMENT EFFECT THAT'S OCCURRING AS DEVELOPMENT OCCURS AND AS SEA LEVEL RISES AND THE INTERACTIONS BETWEEN STORM WATER, SEA LEVEL, IT'S AN ISSUE TODAY, LOW LYING AREAS ARE VALUABLE.
THEY PROVIDE AREAS FOR WATER TO PASSIVELY SLOPE FILTER AND ENTER THE OCEAN.
AND SO HOW DO WE THINK ABOUT THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO LAYER IN COASTAL STRATEGIES AND, UM, DEAL WITH RUNOFF ISSUES TODAY, AND THE FUTURE REALLY PROVIDED AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO BRIDE A MULTIFUNCTIONAL AND A MULTILAYERED APPROACH THAT ALLOWED THEM TO CHASE DOWN SOME FEDERAL DOLLARS AND FEDERAL FINANCING THAT HELPED MAKE THIS A MORE REALISTIC POSSIBILITY.
AND NOT ONLY IS IT A PHYSICAL RESPONSE, UM, WE FOUND THAT SOME OF THE MOST INTEGRATED OPTIONS REALLY PROVIDE THE COMMUNITY, THE KNOWLEDGE THEY NEED TO FEEL PREPARED.
UM, ONE THING WE NOTICED WITH OUR WORKING FOR YOUR COUNTY WAS THE COMMUNITY'S UNCERTAINTY AND THEIR ABILITY TO TRULY KNOW WHAT THEIR RISK IS AND WHERE THEIR RISK LIES AND WHEN WILL THEIR RISK CHANGE AND WHERE TO GO WHEN AN EVENT OR A HAZARD HAS HAPPENED.
AND SO HOW CAN WE PREPARE FOR IMMINENT THREATS, RESPOND TO PAST BREATH AND RECOVER, NOT JUST PHYSICALLY, BUT ALSO EMOTIONALLY FROM A STORM EVENT AND UNDERSTAND THE RISK AND THE THREAT INVOLVED WITH THE PAST EVENT.
AND SO BY MITIGATING SOME OF THIS VULNERABILITY AND PROVIDING THE COMMUNITY, THE ABILITY TO PLAN FURTHER, WE REALLY LIKE, LIKE I'VE BEEN TRYING TO ILLUSTRATE, AND SOME OF THESE SIDES TRYING TO PROVIDE DIFFERENT PARTS AND PIECES, BECAUSE WHAT WE FOUND IS RESILIENCE IS, IS A WORD THAT REPRESENTS A COMMUNITY'S ABILITY TO LIVE AND FUNCTION WHERE THEY LIVE, WHERE THEY WANT TO.
AND IT'S ABOUT PROVIDING NATURAL, PHYSICAL INFRASTRUCTURE RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO ALL, AND WITH A COMMUNITY LIKE YOURS, THAT'S CENTERED AROUND MILITARY PRESENCE OF THE MILITARY.
YOU REALLY HAVE AN ABILITY TO HAVE AN ADAPTIVE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT CAN RESPOND QUICKLY AND CONTINUE PROVIDING THE RESOURCES.
AND SO, UM, BASICALLY, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, WE'RE IN TASK ONE WHERE TALKING TO YOU AGAIN.
UM, BUT ALL THE TEAM IS NOW GOT CONTRACTS.
WE'RE ALL REALLY STARTING TO DIG INTO THINGS, BUT WHAT'S CLEAR AND IMPORTANT.
AND WHY WE JUMPED INTO THIS MEETING, IT'S REALLY HELPED DEFINE SOME OF THE STRUCTURE TO YOU AS WE'RE BRINGING IN DATA.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO CLEAR THROUGH SOME CLUTTER TRYING TO ORGANIZE AND ADAPT OURSELVES TO WHAT IS KNOWN IN THIS COMMUNITY.
WHAT IS YOUR PRIORITIES IN THIS COMMUNITY? THE FREQUENCY OF ISSUES, THE FREQUENCY OF GROWTH AND FREQUENCY OF ADAPTIVE CAPACITY.
SO WE CAN REALLY MAP YOUR KNOWN CONDITIONS, UNDERSTAND THE GAPS THAT OUR EXPERTISE CAN BRING AND REALLY IDENTIFY AND CLASSIFY CRITICALITY, UM, AND PHYSICAL AND NON-PHYSICAL
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WAYS AND DEFINE THE INTERDEPENDENCE BETWEEN YOUR COMMUNITY AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT CONNECTS YOU.AND AS WE DO THIS, UM, AN IMPORTANT PART ABOUT THIS IS ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE.
IT'S NOT ONLY FOR THE PROJECT, BUT FOR THE COMMUNITIES, IDENTIFYING GAPS, IDENTIFYING KNOWLEDGE AND IDENTIFYING WAYS FOR, TO BETTER CONNECT TO COMMUNITIES AND UNDERSTAND HOW RESILIENCE CAN LIVE IN A LARGER NET OF APPROACH.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE THAT WE ARE ON BOARD.
UM, AND I WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE ABILITY AND OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT OUR STRUCTURE, UM, OUR APPROACH IN ANY, ANY, ANY COMMENTS OR CONCERNS YOU MAY HAVE QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, ANYBODY ONLINE HAVE QUESTION.
UM, I, UH, I SAW SOME SLIDES THERE THAT GAVE ME SOME CONCERN.
IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, UH, UH, SENDING A COPY OF YOUR PRESENTATION TO US, I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.
AND I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT IT A LITTLE CLOSER WITH NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU, STEPHANIE, MOVE ON TO OUR PRIORITIZED LIST OF ACTION ITEMS, UH, WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO GO TO THE, UH, UH, XL SPREADSHEET THAT I SENT OUT TO EVERYBODY, UH, THAT HAS THE INFORMATION TO REVIEW ON THOSE.
UM, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GO THROUGH THESE PRETTY QUICKLY.
UM, SO LET'S GO TO ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE, UH, THE MANDATE FOR, IN OUR PIC.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY UPDATE ON THAT, UH, WITH ANYTHING HAPPENING? NO.
SINCE THE THROW THE REGIONAL PLAN DOCUMENT OUT TO COUNCIL A FEW MONTHS AGO, WE'RE GOING TO CIRCLE BACK AT SOME POINT, DISCUSS IT AS A COUNCIL AT WORK SESSION, AND THEN BE PREPARED.
SO I'D SAY A FEW, MAYBE IF YOU WANT, MAYBE AFTER THE SUMMER, SOMETIME OUT OF IT.
AND OF COURSE WE'RE STILL WORKING ON OUR COMP PLANS TOO, SO IT KIND OF TIES TOGETHER.
UM, WITH GREENLY PRE I'M GONNA KEEP IT ON HERE AND WE'LL KEEP COMING BACK TO IT TO, UH, MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S, UH, CONTINUING TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
UH, LADIES ISLAND PLAN IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE, WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THAT WITH THE, UH, DEBT SOLUTION DOCUMENT, UM, NUMBER THREE, UH, LOCAL OPTION SALES TAX, UH, THE, UH, UH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A YEMEN C UPDATE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ANYBODY FROM AMSE HERE.
SO WE'LL PUT IT ON, PUT IT ON FOR NEXT MONTH.
YOU WE'RE, IT'LL BE ON THE BALLOT FOR BUFORD COUNTY.
SO THAT'S KIND OF COUNSEL FOR PUTTING IT ON THE, ON THE BALLOT.
I KNOW THE JURISDICTIONS ARE TALKING ABOUT EDUCATIONAL EFFORT.
UM, SO THAT'S SORT OF ROLLING.
UM, THE UNIFORM YARD WASTE POLICY UPDATE, ANYTHING ON THAT I'M AWARE OF THE PRESCHEDULED ACTUALLY EPISODE SOLID WASTE PRESENTATIONS FOR THEM.
UM, NUMBER FIVE, UH, ID, FUTURE AREAS OF UNINCORPORATED AREAS, UH, FOR, UH, PICKUP, UH, ANY OBTAINED ON THE ID PROCESS AND THERE'S MAKING PROGRESS ON THAT, BUT I KEEP BRINGING IT UP.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOUR CONTRACTS GET RENEWED.
UH, AND SO WE'VE, WE'VE JUST COMPLETED AN RFP PROCESS.
UH, I BELIEVE STAFF HAS THE NEXT MONTH OR SO WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR VENDOR FOR ABOUT A YEAR.
WELL, I MAYBE THERE'S POSSIBILITIES STILL TO DO THAT WITHIN, ACROSS SOME AREAS WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE CLOSED TWO, WELL, NORTH ABROAD WE'VE CLOSED ONE DROP OFF POINT, BUT, UM, MY, MY PUSH IS MORE TOWARD THAT AND SOME MORE DENSELY POPULATED AREAS, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, UM, POSITIVE REPORT ON THAT THIS TIME I KNOW THERE, THE IDS ARE WORKING IN THE REFU CENTERS OR HAVE BEEN WHERE YOU ORGANIZED.
BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CORRECT.
WHAT IS, HOW LONG IS THE CONTRACT FOR, FOR THE CITY OF BUFORD HISTORICALLY,
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WE'VE DONE THEM.I THINK FOR FIVE YEARS, FIVE YEARS, THEY GET IT.
THEY HAVE TO MAKE AN INVESTMENT IN A REAL CAR TO THAT SORT OF THING THAT MIGHT BE EXTENDED UP COVER TO COVER SOME OF THAT COST.
BUT SO I GUESS THE POSSIBILITY OF A COMBINED EFFORT IS GOING TO BE PUT OFF AGAIN FOR ANOTHER FIVE YEARS.
IF WE DO THE, WHEN HOME, WE PICK UP OUR, OUR RESIDENTIAL RESIDENTIAL ROAD CONTROL HE'S ON.
SO DISTANCE RESIDENTIALS POTENTIAL THERE IN PORT ROYAL WOULD BE THE SHELL POINT HERE.
I MEAN, IF THEY'RE IN THE URBAN AREAS AND THEY'RE CONTIGUOUS, THEY JUST HAVE TO ANNEX AND I CAN GET CURBSIDE PICKUP.
SO THEN I HAVE, IT'S A CHICKEN.
SO MARRIED MALE, THIS ONE HERE CONTINUOUSLY WITHIN THE GROWTH BOUNDARIES.
SO ARE WE SAYING THAT ITEM MIGHT WANT TO JUST COME OFF OF THE, I THINK, UM, I CAN TALK TO OUR, OUR SOLID WASTE.
I THINK THE IDEA WAS THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE ANNEXED TO GET THE SERVICE WHEN IT WAS PUT ON THE LIST.
I KNOW WHEN IT WAS IN DISCUSSES THE IMPACT FEE AND IT WAS GOING TO BE KIND OF UNIFORM ACROSS ALL PROPERTIES, REGARDLESS OF JURISDICTIONAL BOUNDARIES.
THAT'S WHEN WE WERE RECONSIDERING THE STATUS FOR CONTRACT, BECAUSE IF I WAS, YOU KNOW, MY RESIDENTS WERE GOING TO PAY IT GARBAGE FEE AND THEN PAY THIS IMPACT FEE.
UM, I WOULD CANCEL A CONTRACT AND LET THE COUNTY DEAL WITH CURBSIDE FOR EVERYBODY.
UM, BUT I THINK WE'VE REVISITED THAT THROUGH A SEPARATE ENTERPRISE FUND.
AND, UM, WE ALL KNEW IT TOO, TRYING TO FIGURE ALL THAT OUT.
I THINK THERE'S SOME ECONOMIES OF SCALE.
IF WE DO GO THAT ROUTE WITH THE CITY AND THE TOWN, THAT'S WHAT WE USED TRADITIONALLY.
UH, BUT WE WENT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE OF THE WAY WE HANDLE YARD WASTE.
SO COULD YOU PICK UP YOUR OWN? YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.
WE LOVE PICKING UP YOUR CLAM BUCKET.
IT'S REALLY EFFICIENT, RIGHT? UH, COMMON.
WELL, NO, BUT TO THEIR POINT OF, WITH THE YARD WASTE, AS ONE AS THE CITY PUTS YARD WASTE AND PLASTIC WARE, IT'S NOT GOOD EITHER.
WELL, THAT'S A, THAT'S A FRUSTRATION OF MINE FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH.
I LIVE IN THE CITY SO WE CAN COMPOST IT.
SO I WAS RECENTLY TOLD THAT THAT'S REQUIREMENT BY ORDINANCE, NOT BY OUR VENDOR CONTRACTS.
SO I'VE ASKED STAFF TO LOOK INTO CHANGING THAT ORDINANCE BECAUSE I HAVE A COUPLE OF EMPTY CANS AND I DON'T HAVE A VERY BIG YARD.
I CAN BARELY PUT MY YARD DEBRIS IN THE PLASTIC CANS.
AND THEN I GOT A SLAP ON THE WRIST THAT I NEEDED TO PUT THEM IN PLASTIC BAGS, RIGHT AFTER WE HAD JUST BANNED SINGLE USE PLASTIC BAGS IN GROCERY STORES.
AND IT SEEMED A LITTLE NONSENSICAL TO ME THAT WE WOULD BAN PLASTIC GROCERY BAGS, BUT REQUIRE PEOPLE TO PUT YARD DEBRIS AND PLASTIC BAGS TO WE'RE WORKING ON THAT.
SO MAYBE AN UPDATE, IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE IT ON THE LIST, MAYBE WE NEED AN UPDATE FROM THE COUNTY SOLID WASTE TOO.
MIGHT BE SUGGESTION FOR ANOTHER MEETING.
AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT COMPOSTING YARD WISE.
CAUSE THAT'S ONE OF, ONE OF THEIR IDEAS IS TO DO THAT.
AND IT'S AN EXTENDED KIND OF SIDE AND IT'D BE, THEY CAN CLOSE IN THE PATIENT.
WE ARE SEEING AN UPTAKE OF DUMPING AND UH, PEOPLE USE IT NORTH RISE, USE OF DUMPSTERS, IF YOU WILL.
I PASS A FEW OF THEM ON THE WAY TODAY.
AND, UM, IT'S BECOMING A PROBLEM.
HOPEFULLY, ROB, TO SEE IF SOLID WASTE COULD DO A BRIEF FOR IT.
AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S SOME CONVERSATION GOING ABOUT, UH, ABOUT A COMPLEX OF SOLID WASTE RECYCLING COMPLEX.
I HAVEN'T BEEN BRIEFED ON IT YET, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF IDEAS OUT THERE THAT WE COULD HEAR THEM TALK ABOUT.
DO YOU WANT ME TO INVITE THEM TO SPEEDING? THAT'S UP TO THE CHAIRMAN, BUT IT MIGHT BE, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE STORM WATER TODAY.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF SEPARATION BETWEEN THE MUNICIPALITIES AND THE COUNTY ON WHAT WE'RE DOING, HOW WE'RE DOING.
IT SEEMS LIKE, I MEAN THE ORIGINAL GOAL WAS THAT WE COULD COMBINE SERVICES, GET SOME, UH, MORE EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE USE OUT OF IT.
UH, BUT, UH, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THAT FAN WOULD KNOW BETTER.
SO SOME OF THEM NOT SPEAKING THE TRUTH, BUT WE HAD LOOKED AT A COMBINED CONTRACT WITH THE WASTE HAULER 10 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND AFTER ALL THE ANALYSIS WAS DONE, IT REALLY, REALLY DIDN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE IF WE HAD OUR INDIVIDUAL CONTRACTS WHERE WE HAVE JOINT CONTRACT WITH THEM, MEAN THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT FOR THEM WAS THE SAME.
THE PICKUP SCHEDULE WAS THE SAME.
AND THEN THE ISSUE OF THE YEAH, YEAH.
THAT'S WHAT CREATED SOMEWHAT OF A SEPARATION BECAUSE WE, WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT TO WORK TOGETHER IF IT MAKES SENSE ON DIFFERENT ITEMS. BUT BECAUSE WE DO, LIKE I MENTIONED THE YARD WAY SEPARATELY, IT JUST KIND OF PUT US IN A DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT REALM IF YOU WILL.
WOULD YOU MIND FOLLOWING UP WITH CHECKING IN WITH BILL JUST TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITY IN THE TIMELINE OF, BUT MIKE YOU'RE RIGHT.
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I THINK THERE'S BEEN TALK OF, UM, OR B WE'LL CALL IT CENTER OF SOME KIND, UM, BY COUNTY STAFF SOMEWHERE.SO CONSOLIDATE EFFORTS TO, OKAY.
AND, UH, IF WE CAN GET A PRESENTATION POSSIBLY NEXT MEETING, WE WON'T LOAD UP TOO MANY PRESENTATIONS, SO IT TAKES US OUT.
BUT, UH, UH, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD ONE TO DO.
UH, WE'VE ALREADY HEARD REGIONAL STORMWATER.
DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ON STORM WATER? GREAT PRESENTATION.
AND WE'LL CHECK IN WITH STAFF ON WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS.
I KNOW THERE WAS SOME REFERENCE TO COUNTY STANDARD BY ORDINANCE AND OUR CURRENT, BUT I THINK WE ADDRESS MS FOR AS MUCH EITHER.
SO WE MAY HAVE ADOPTED BY REFERENCE CHECK AND SEE WHERE WE ARE, GET IT AND GET IT MOVING.
AND IF Y'ALL WOULD, LIKE, I KNOW WE WERE PLANNING ON DOING, UM, I KNOW THERE WAS A LEAD RUNOFF ELECTION, BUT IF HE WOULD LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LIKE A, ANOTHER PRESENTATION WE'D BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE.
AND I THINK YOU'LL BE HEARING FROM THE RESILIENCY PROJECT.
WE'RE WORKING ON THAT AS WELL WITH INTERNALLY, BUT YOU KNOW, FOR THE MILITARY ONE.
LOOKING AT THE RESILIENCY WITH MILITARY ONE THERE, UM, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN PATHWAYS.
UH, I KNOW YOU WERE GOING TO GIVE US A UPDATE.
UM, WE HAVE GONE THROUGH A SECOND ROUND OF COMMENTS, UH, FROM PASSPORT MEMBERS AND STAFF AT THE VARIOUS JURISDICTIONS.
UM, I THINK THE DOCUMENT IS AT A POINT NOW WHERE WE'D LIKE SOME PEOPLE TO SEE IT.
SO, UM, WE ARE SETTING UP PRESENTATIONS THROUGHOUT THE MONTHS OF JUNE AND JULY AND HOPEFULLY AUGUST WITH THE CITY, I THINK, CAUSE Y'ALL ARE OFF OF IN JULY AND WE'RE TAKING A LITTLE BREAK.
SO, UM, REALLY FOR OUR STAFF, WE'RE ALL STILL HERE.
I KNOW WHERE TO FIND YOU GUYS.
UM, SO WE'LL BE PRESENTING TO LATS TECHNICAL COMMITTEE.
UM, NEXT FRIDAY, UM, PORT ROYAL WILL BE NINTH KIND OF HILTON HEAD PUBLIC PLANNING COMMITTEE WILL BE JUNE 24TH.
UM, AND THEN THE DATES AFTER THAT GET A LITTLE BIT TENTATIVE.
UM, THERE'S A SILICA MEETING JUNE 29TH.
I THINK WE'D LIKE TO GET, UM, A BRIEF IMITATION ON THE AGENDA THERE.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL HEAD TOWN COUNCILS IN JULY.
UM, AND SO THE ULTIMATE GOAL HERE, UM, WOULD, WOULD BE TO TRY AND GET MUNICIPALITIES ON BOARD WITH, UM, ADOPTING THIS BY RESOLUTION.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF BENEFITS TO BE HAD BY DOING THIS JOINTLY RATHER THAN THE COUNTY HAVING THEIR OWN LIKE PET PLAN AND THE MUNICIPALITIES KIND OF SAYING, WE HAVE ALL THESE OTHER LITTLE PROJECTS WE WANT TO DO THIS WAY.
THE MUNICIPALITIES CAN MAKE THEIR OWN CHOICES WITH THE PATHWAY PROJECTS THAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE.
AND THEN ON THE FRINGES BETWEEN NON INCORPORATED AND INCORPORATED AREAS, THERE'S THAT COORDINATION.
UM, I THINK IT'S CRITICAL THAT HAPPENS SO THAT FOLKS DO HAVE A CONNECTED NETWORK.
AND, UM, THERE'S NOT A DISCONNECT THERE BETWEEN TRYING TO GET TO PLACES THEY WANT TO GO JOBS, STORES, THAT KIND OF THING.
SO WE CAN'T GET YOU INTO COUNCIL UNTIL AUGUST.
WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO SEND OUT THE REPORT FOR FEEDBACK IN ADVANCE? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
WE'LL GET IT OUT TO OUR FOLKS.
IF, IF THIS BOARD WOULD LIKE I CAN SEND THE DOCUMENT OUT, UM, OR, UM, SOMEONE AT THE COUNTY CAN DISPERSE IT.
SO, UM, CHAD, I THINK WE'D APPRECIATE THAT SHORT AND GOOD GETTING A LOOK AT THAT.
UH, STEVE, I DID MEET WITH DEAN AND I MET WITH BILL AND, UM, VAPOR JORDAN.
UM, SO THEY'RE AWARE OF IT AND I THINK, I BELIEVE DAVID HAS A HARD COPY.
UM, SO I CAN GIVE IT TO YOU ALL.
I WANTED TO MENTION THAT WE HAVE A TRADER IN OUR MIDST.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE ALL AWARE OF IT.
TODAY IS SNOW IT'S, UH, LAST TABLE WORKING FOR P FOR COUNTY, GOOD JOB WITH THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL OVER THE RIGHT SIDE, WHAT I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GET USED TO IT.
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SO I THINK IT'S GREAT.AND IT IS ACTUALLY THIS PROJECT, THIS SPIKE PET PLAN.
I THINK THAT THIS, HE CAN CONTINUE TO MAKE THESE PRESENTATIONS, UH, REPRESENTING ANOTHER JURISDICTION, BUT IT'S A
I THINK THAT IT, YOU KNOW, HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF, OF THE COOPERATIVE EFFORT AND HOW YOU'RE GOING TO BE THE POSTER CHILD, YOU A LITTLE, DID THEY KNOW? JUST CURIOUS WHERE YOU USED TO TAKE THE LEAD ON EVERYTHING.
SO IT'S, IT'S OUR LOSS, BUT I THINK IT'S A TOWN'S GAIN AND YOU KNOW, NO, WE'RE HAPPY TO, TO KNOW THE TOWN IS IN GOOD HANDS.
WE MIGHT WANT YOU TO MODIFY AND TO SHOW THE DATES OF CHANGES THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THOSE PLANS AFTER THE SEPARATION, THEY MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT WEIGHTING.
I THINK WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT CONVENIENCE CENTERS.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT? I THINK WE PROBABLY CAN TAKE IT OFF.
CAN WE, I MEAN, EXCEPT YOU'RE HAVING ISSUES, BUT THAT'S KIND OF A DAY THE COUNTY'S REACH OUT TO US TO HELP.
I SAW SOME OF THAT THE OTHER DAY ON THE WAY OUT ON LADY'S ISLAND.
UH, NUMBER NINE, UM, LITTLE PLASTIC BAGS AND ALICE, YOU COMMITTED THAT ONE COVID WAS OVER.
THE CONSERVATION LEAGUE IS READY TO HELP US.
SO, UM, WE CAN START, WE NEED TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCES PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT TWINKLE, UM, AND THEN EDUCATION.
AND THEY, THEY HAVE COMMITTED HELP US WITH THAT TOO.
SO I WILL TAKE THAT THROUGH NATURAL RESOURCE COMMITTEE WITH THEIR HELP.
MS. POWELL, THESE ARE COMMITTED TO THIS.
I DON'T WANT TO SAY CRACK DOWN, BUT YEAH, WE'VE HAD TO INTERFACE WITH, ARE STILL WORDS THAT HAVE BACKS A LITTLE, A LITTLE BIT IT'S TIME.
IF EVERYONE AGREES TO START, I THINK THE WORD IS MAY NEED A FEW CHANGES TOO.
YEAH, I THINK IT WAS A GOOD START, BUT I THINK WE FOUND THERE WERE SOME, AND I'VE GOT SOME EXAMPLES FROM OTHER PLACES IN THE SKYPE THAT I CAN HELP.
I'LL TALK TO LEGAL ABOUT THAT.
THE TOWN, THE CITY, I GUESS WE'LL JUST COORDINATE WITH YOU FOR THE THAT'S FINE.
UH, CONSOLIDATED VERSUS, UH, UH, REGIONAL PARKS.
I THINK THE ONLY THING WE HAD HERE WAS THERE WAS GOING TO BE AN UPDATE FROM TWO MONTHS AGO TO YOUR LIST AND YOU WERE GOING TO DISTRIBUTE THAT, UH, CAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO DISTRIBUTE.
THEY WERE VERY, THEY WERE PRETTY MINOR.
UM, UM, AND ANY UPDATE ON NUMBER 11, UH, WITH THE LAWSUIT AT ALL? OR IS THAT JUST GOING TO CONTINUE TO CONTINUE DUE TO ADVICE OF LEGAL COUNSEL? NO COMMENT AT THIS TIME, OR, I MEAN, SHOULD WE JUST TAKE IT OFF THE LIST? ISN'T THAT SOMETHING THAT WE'D LIKE TO TRY AND ACCOMPLISH OR IS IT COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE TO THE ADVICE OF LEGAL COUNSEL? THERE'S A LOT WE'D LIKE TO ACCOMPLISH, SO WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL LEAVE IT ON THE LIST FOR, UH, NON VERBAL UPDATES LATER ON, UM, NUMBER 13, UH, GROWTH DEVELOPMENT, UH, IN THE COORDINATION OF THE MASTER PLANS.
I THINK THAT, UH, YOU WERE LOOKING TO DO A, UH, MPC UPDATE.
UH, THE COMP PLANS ARE REALLY KIND OF TAKING THE COMP PLANS, TAKING THAT RESPONSIBILITY.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE COMP PLANS WOULD PROBABLY COME HERE AT SOME POINT FOR RIGHT.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE ON, ON, ON THOSE.
DO YOU WANT TO, DOES, UH, NERVIK WANT TO PROCEED THE MPC AND REVIEW OF THOSE GOOD MIGHT BE A GOOD THING TO DO.
THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, RUN IN PARALLEL TO, I DON'T THINK IT MAKES THAT BIG OF A DIFFERENCE.
DEPENDS ON IF THERE'S ANY MODIFICATIONS THE NURSE WANTS TO MAKE TO ANY
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OF THOSE, UM, THE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, UH, UH, SOMETHING WE'RE JUST GOING TO HEAR BACK AGAIN ON A PERIODIC BASIS.UH, WHENEVER WE THINK WE WANT TO HEAR THEM BACK AGAIN FOR FUTURE PRESENTATION.
BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A FAIR AMOUNT OF PARTNERS IN THAT SPACE.
UM, SO PROGRESS WITH THE SOUTH COAST CYBER CENTER THAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.
UH, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT GOT A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT GRANT.
I'M TRYING TO THINK WHO ELSE THERE'S A HEALTHCARE INITIATIVE KIND OF STARTING UP SOME CONVERSATIONS THERE.
SO OTHER THAN STATUS REPORTS FROM TIME TO TIME, I THINK.
SO LET US KNOW WHEN I WANT TO HAVE A STATUS REPORT UPDATE, STEVEN.
THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORP.
WE HAD OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING MEETING ABOUT A MONTH AGO AND YOU'LL SEE THE COURT TAKING A LITTLE GREATER INTEREST AND A LITTLE GREATER ACTIVITY IN THE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT PIECE OVER THE COMING YEARS.
I THINK IT'S GOOD TO JUST PERIODICALLY HAVE EACH OF THOSE KIND OF LIKE THE DID BEFORE.
I THINK IT WAS VERY INFORMATIVE WITH THE PRESENTATIONS.
THERE'S TWO NEW ITEMS THAT WERE ASKED TO BE PUT ON HERE BY, UH, YOUR CLOVER.
UM, AND THAT IS 15 AND 16, RURAL COMMUNITY FIRE PROTECTION AND RURAL COMMUNITY, PUBLIC WATER, AND ADEQUATE WATER.
YOUR SISTER'S NOT HERE IS THERE.
HE JUST, THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE IT ON HIS CALENDAR.
WAIT, ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR WE'LL JUST, UH, YOU DON'T LEAVE IT ON THERE AND UH, IT'LL COME BACK NEXT MONTH.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT NUMBER 10 AGAIN, UH, WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS.
UM, I'LL, I'LL MAKE IT A POINT THAT, UH, SOMETIME IN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO, I WILL TRY AND GET WITH THE COUNTY AND RE UH, REVIEW YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WHERE IS HE WHERE THOSE ARE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, YOU WANT TO GIVE US AN UPDATE FROM WHAT HAVE HAPPENED HERE? I'LL LET ROB SPEAK FOR HIMSELF.
GOING TO PUBLIC HEARING SANDRA.
I DON'T KNOW IF JERRY CAN SEE THAT JERRY, CAN YOU SEE THIS? I'D LIKE TO BE ON THE COUNTY CHANNEL THAT YOU'RE SHARING.
ROB, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH, YEAH.
AND, UH, SOMETHING ODD HAPPENED TO, I WASN'T USED TO, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE PEOPLE AWARE, UM, KIND OF WHERE WE WERE IN THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME UPCOMING MEETINGS.
UM, AT OUR APRIL PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, WE UNVEILED OF THE DRAFT OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND REALLY AT THAT POINT BEGAN, UH, UH, PUBLIC INPUT OF PROCESS.
SO WE NOT ONLY UNVEIL IT TO THEM, BUT WE UNVEILED IT TO THE PUBLIC AND WE HAVE IT ONLINE.
OTHER ENVISIONED PAPER, COUNTY WEBPAGE.
UM, WE'VE RECEIVED QUITE A NUMBER OF COMMENTS.
AND SO STAFF HAS BEEN TAKING EACH COMMENTS PROVIDED BY THE PUBLIC BY OTHER COUNTY OFFICIALS BY FLYING COMMISSION MEMBERS.
AND WE'VE BEEN PUTTING THEM INTO A MATRIX AND DOCUMENTING THEM AND WE'LL BE DONE EVENTUALLY AS WE ENDED OUR, OUR PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, WE WILL, YOU KNOW, HAVE, YOU KNOW, HAVE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS OF HOW WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH EACH OF THE COMMENTS.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE RECEIVING COMMENTS, TAKING THEM VERY SERIOUSLY.
UM, WE SCHEDULED A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, UH, ON MONDAY, JUNE 7TH.
THIS IS CONCURRENT WITH OUR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
UM, THAT'S, THIS IS, COULD BE IN A SPECIAL LOCATION, THE BUCK OR RECREATION CENTER.
UM, AND IN ADDITION, YOU KNOW, IN A PUBLIC HEARING
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SETTING, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE COMMENTS, BUT IT'S A VERY FORMAL SETTING.SO WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH TWO ADDITIONAL PUBLIC WORKSHOPS, UM, REACHING OUT INTO MORE RURAL AREAS OF THE COUNTY.
UM, THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ATTEND THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEY HAVE SOME COMMENTS AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE INFORMAL, UH, ONE-ON-ONE TIME WITH STAFF OR WITH A PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS.
THEY COULD ATTEND ONE OF THESE WORKSHOPS.
THE FIRST ONE WILL BE, UH, TO ST JUNE 8TH OF FIVE TO 7:00 PM.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE AN OPEN HOUSE FORMAT.
UM, ONCE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF AT THE TAIL END OF HOPEFULLY OF THE PANDEMIC, BUT WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, SOME SOCIAL DISTANCING.
SO WE'RE NOT ALL IN ONE CROWDED ROOM.
UM, BUT IT'LL BE, UH, KIND OF A WALKTHROUGH FORMAT LOOKING AT BOARDS, UH, BEING ABLE TO VIEW THE PLAN, ADDRESS QUESTIONS TO STAFF.
UM, SO TUESDAY, JUNE 8TH, WE'LL BE AT THE BURKE WELLS.
IT'S ACTUALLY AT THE SENIOR CENTER, UH, NEXT TO THE RECREATION CENTER OR WELLS PARK IN THAT ON THURSDAY, JUNE 10TH, FROM FIVE TO SEVEN, WE'LL BE AT THE ST HELENA LIBRARY AND WE'LL BE SET UP, UH, IN THE LARGE MEETING ROOM AND MAYBE ALSO THE HALLWAY SO THAT PEOPLE CAN KIND OF WALK THROUGH AND LOOK AT THE, YOU KNOW, THE BOARDS THAT SUMMARIZE THE PLAN AND ADDRESS QUESTIONS TO STAFF.
SO WE'RE HOPING WITH THAT WE COULD REALLY, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE OUR PUBLIC INPUT.
UM, WE'RE HOPING THEN TO TAKE ALL THIS COMMENTS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A WORKSHOP WITH OUR PLANNING COMMISSION, WHERE WE GO THROUGH EACH, HAD TO GET THEIR RECOMMENDATION OF HOW WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD, DIRECT ALL THE EDITS TO OUR CONSULTANTS, AND THEN HAVE A FINAL DRAFT.
YOU KNOW, IF IT'S ALWAYS A RISK TO SAY WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD, OR, BUT I THINK THAT OUR GOAL WILL BE TO GO TO THE AUGUST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, YOU KNOW, WITH THE FINAL DRAFT OF THE PLAN, THEY OF COURSE THEN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
AND THEN IT GOES TO NATURAL RESOURCES AND COUNTY COUNCIL, BUT THAT'S KIND OF A GLIMPSE OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE NEAR FUTURE, KIND OF WHERE WE'RE HOPING TO GET BY LATE SUMMER.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL LIKE ASK ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE PLAN IS ONLINE@THEENVISIONBUFORDCOUNTY.COM AND COURAGE.
IF YOU HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE PLAN.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR US SEEING, UH, GO TO A NUMBER 12 ROUND TABLE COMMENTS, ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO PUT ON THE TABLE? I'M JUST LIKE DEMENTIA AND ROB MIGHT WANT TO ADD SOMETHING TO IT.
WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THE REAL ESTATE ASSOCIATION REGARDING ORDINANCE FILL OR NOT SENDING BLOOD OVERLAY.
SO, UM, WANTED A DISCUSSION, UM, AND LISTENING.
SO WE'LL GET BACK TO THE GROUP ABOUT THAT.
UM, NOT SO MUCH THE FILL ORDINANCES MORE THAN THE OTHERS TOURS AND SURVEYORS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHERE GOES TO COMMITTEE IT NATURAL RESOURCE COMMITTEE.
UM, WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT WHEN THE APPROPRIATE TIMING IS THE FILL ORDERS PROBABLY GO WITH SEPARATE PATH THAN THE OTHER.
UM, AT THIS TIME I WANT TO BE INCLUSIVE TO ALL STAKEHOLDERS, RIGHT.
UM, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT BOTHERS ME A BIT ABOUT US TAKING A DRAFT ORDINANCE AND WORKING SPECIFICALLY WITH THE SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP BEFORE THE ENTIRE PUBLIC HAS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SORT OF WEIGH IN AND THE CHANGES WOULD GET MADE.
AND THAT ORDINANCE WOULD BE SHAPED DIFFERENTLY BY AGAIN, BY A SINGLE SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP IN A DENIM BACKROOM BEFORE IT MAKES ITS WAY THROUGH THE PROCESS.
SO MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT IT GOES OVER YOU MISUNDERSTOOD.
AND WHAT I SAID, IT'S, THERE'S NO BACKROOM.
UM, THIS IS JUST A LISTENING SESSION.
I DIDN'T MEAN FOR YOU TO THINK THAT THIS WAS DONE IN A BACK ROOM OR, UM, THAT YOU WROTE A LETTER, WHICH WAS READ PUBLICLY AT THE NATURAL RESOURCE MEETING, BUT WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A PUBLIC REVIEW PROCESS AND THEN THE COUNTY'S CASE, IT GOES TO A COMMITTEE MEETING.
SO ALL MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND STAKEHOLDERS WHO'D LIKE TO BE HEARD AND WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT INPUT TO THE ORDINANCE.
AND THEN AFTER IT COMES OUT OF COMMITTEE OR DOESN'T COME OUT OF COMMITTEE, THE GOOD THING, RIGHT.
IT GENERALLY GETS SHAPED IN SOME WAY.
AND THEN IT GOES ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING AND THREE READINGS OF COUNCIL BECOME, IT WAS A THREE-PAGE LETTER.
I RESPECT THAT EVERYBODY OUGHT TO HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE AND BE ABLE TO PROVIDE INPUT ON ORDINANCES BEFORE THEY BECOME LAW.
BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THERE'S A FAIR PROCESS
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AND A TRANSPARENT PROCESS IN WHICH THE SHAPING AND THE INPUT OF THOSE THINGS SHOULD OCCUR.AND, WELL, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING HAS HAPPENED THAT WOULDN'T BE THERE.
AND I DIDN'T MEAN TO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE IT HAD, I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, AT ALL, THEY FELT LIKE THEY HAD NOT HAD ENOUGH INPUT AND THAT'S WHY THEY WROTE THE LETTER.
AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED HIM RIGHT AWAY.
WHAT WOULD, I GUESS, THAT'S THE POINT THAT THE COMMITTEE AND THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE FOLDABLE READING PROCESS, SO THAT THROUGH THAT PROCESS, THEY CAN RIGHT.
CONCERNS IN THAT LETTER, WHICH I CAN SEND TO THIS GROUP IS PRIMARILY NOT TO FILL ORGANS.
OH, I'M NOT DISCOUNTING THEIR CONCERNS.
BUT I THINK THERE'S, THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF OPINIONS AND A LOT OF PERSPECTIVES THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED BEFORE THE ORDINANCE IS COMPLICATED TO SAY THE LEAST.
SO DO YOU ANTICIPATE CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE FROM THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE REALTORS BEFORE IT COMES INTO COMMITTEE? YEAH.
I'M STILL WORKING WITH STAFF, OUR STAFF COUNTY STAFF, YOU KNOW, MENTIONED, AND, AND OBVIOUSLY THIS, THIS MAY CHANGE AS WE LOOK AT IT FURTHER, BUT ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT THEY'RE RAISING IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE IDENTIFIED AN AREA THAT WE'RE CALLING LOW LYING AND, AND SUBJECT TO FLOODING.
WE'VE IDENTIFIED IT AT 10 FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL AND THE DATA AND ALL THAT.
AND SO ONE OF THE OBJECTIONS THAT THE MOST COMMON ONE WE'RE HEARING IS THAT THIS IS REDUNDANT.
THERE'S ALREADY AGAIN, ROB, IT'S NOT ABOUT THE OBJECTION SO MUCH AS THE PROCESS IN WHICH THE ORDINANCES ARE CONSIDERED WHEN YOU FORMED THE FIDDLE ORDINANCE COMMITTEE AND THE OVERLAY COMMITTEE THAT YOU HAD DEVELOPERS, AND YOU HAD PRIVATE SECTOR MEMBERS AS A PART OF THAT PROCESS TO CRAFT THE BASE ORDINANCE AND THE IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE HAS FORWARDED THOSE ORDINANCES ON TO THE RESPECTIVE JURISDICTIONS.
AND NOW I THINK IT'S INCUMBENT ON THE JURISDICTIONS TO TAKE THE ORDINANCES THAT YOUR COMMITTEE, THE IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE HAS ENDORSED AND RUN THAT THROUGH AGAIN, A TRANSPARENT PUBLIC PROCESS WITHOUT GIVING SOME SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP, A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO SHAPE IT BEFORE EVERYBODY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE HIM.
BUT I JUST THINK THERE'S A FAIRNESS ABOUT IT AGAIN, NOT ABOUT THE SPECIFIC ORDINANCE ISSUES.
I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT AS STAFF, I DON'T KNOW, WE NEED TO GIVE THAT LETTER TO EVERYONE ON THIS CURRENT.
I'D LIKE TO DEFINITELY GET A COPY OF IT.
I THINK IT WAS THREE PAGES WRITTEN INTO THE RECORD AS PART OF OUR MEETING, BECAUSE THERE'S A TABLE, BUT FOR THOSE ORDINANCES.
MY ONLY POINT WAS IT STAFF, WE RECOGNIZED A CONCERN THAT THEY RAISED THAT WE THINK HAS SOME MERIT AND WE THINK THAT THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER WAY TO ADDRESS IT.
AND SO IF WE DO THAT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE, DO YOU FEEL, DOES IT COME BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE? YOU KNOW, DO WE NEED TO GO ALL THE WAY BACK? YEAH.
I MEAN, DO WE STEP BACK TWO STEPS WITH, YOU KNOW, OR GO DIRECTLY TO NATURAL RESOURCE COMMITTEE? AGAIN, I DON'T, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, RATHER, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK IT, YOU KNOW, STAFF DID TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ALL THE COMMENTS THEY MADE AND OBVIOUSLY WE RECOGNIZE THE POSITION THEY'RE COMING FROM, UH, YOU KNOW, AND THAT WE HAVE TO WEIGH THAT IN ARMED IT INDEPENDENT COMMITTEE OUTSIDE OF THE EMPLOYEES LIAISON IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE OF AS A MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL TASK FORCE OF STAFF AND PRIVATE SECTOR MEMBERS AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS, COASTAL CONSERVATION LEAGUE, FOR EXAMPLE.
AND THAT'S WHERE THOSE ORDINANCES, WHICH WERE CRAFTED INITIALLY IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE PROVIDED SOME FEEDBACK, YOU KNOW, THE FIELD ORDINANCE, FOR EXAMPLE, AS IT CAME THROUGH THE CITY, IT WENT THROUGH A WORK SESSION PROCESS AND THEN A READING PROCESS OF, OF COUNCIL.
UM, SO I GUESS THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES AND YOU FEEL LIKE IT NEEDS TO BE RECRAFTED MAYBE IT GOES BACK TO THAT MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL BROAD STAKEHOLDER.
WE WANT TO, WE'D WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE'S ON BOARD WHO WERE INVOLVED IN DRAFTING THE ORDINANCE, BUT WE, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS FROM OUR STANDPOINT AND STAFF, WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE CONSIDERING THIS, EXCEPT THAT I THINK THAT ONE OF THE CONCERNS THEY RAISED IS SOMETHING THAT WE THINK HAS SOME MERIT.
WE WANT TO LOOK AT FURTHER, YOU KNOW? AND SO WE'LL, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE WILL DO WHATEVER IS NECESSARY AND FAIR TO, TO GET THIS BACK TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE BECAUSE OF THE SOLUTION AND THE PLAN IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE, OBVIOUSLY IT'LL COME BACK TO NORMAL.
UM, SO I GUESS ONCE IT COMES OUT OF YOUR, UH, YOUR FOUNDATIONAL GROUP THAT PROBABLY WOULD WANT TO COME BACK TO UH NERVIK UM, MAYBE BEFORE IT GOES TO CHARM.
AND YEAH, I DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE LETTER.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER COMMENTS ANYBODY WANTS
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TO MAKE ON THE BOARD HERE? YOU GOT ANYTHING? I'M GOOD, BRIAN.I'LL HAVE TO GET WITH HIM SOMETIME TO SIGN THIS, UH, UH, DOCUMENT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
UM, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO DRIVE OVER AND GET HIM SIGN AT ANY TIME.
UH, SO WITH THAT, I'LL, UH, ASK FOR A MOTION ON GERMAN.
MOTION PASSES JUNE 25 GERMANY.