May 27, 2021 Zoning Board of Appeals

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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WELCOME TO OUR SCHEDULE ZONING BOARD UP APPEAL MEETING RAISING IT THIS MEETING WILL BE CALLED

THE ORDER. >> THE TIME IS NO VIABLE TO IT IS OUR CUSTOM THAT WE BEGIN BY

RECITING THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >> I THINK WE COULD FACE THE FLAG COULD STAND AT FACE THE FLAG THOSE THAT ARE IN THE BUILDING ARE SIMPLY REPEATING I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG BY UNITED THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND CHANGE TO PUBLIC EXPENDITURE STANDS ONE DAY FOUNDATION GOD FOR JUSTICE FOR ALL.

THANK YOU. WE HAVE BEEN HERE ALL NOTIFICATIONS AND EVERYTHING IS GOOD. HILLARY I THINK THAT HILLARY HILLARY WILL WORK.

>> SHE IS COMING RIGHT BACK. THIS WAS FOR ALL WE DON'T HILLARY.

I DIDN'T KNOW SHE WAS IN SHE SHE WAS GOING TO CALL LAURA AND TELL ME HOW SHE'LL BE THROUGH THIS THE PRIVATE EMERGENCY WITH US SMEARS SHE JUST STEPPED UP.

>> GO LOOK FOR HILLARY. WE WANT TO GO THINK HILLARY IS GOING TO GO.

LINK. YEAH. AND HER YOU WANT TO GO LET HER

KNOW THAT SHE'S ON TRIAL FOR REALLY IT ACTUALLY. >> ITEM NUMBER THREE JENNIFER PUBLIC NOTIFICATION. ARE WE GOOD WITH THE VERIFICATIONS?

>> YES. BUT GETTING. YES.

[4. ADOPTION OF AGENDA]

>> SECONDLY, ALL THE FAVOR I SPIN DOCTOR NUMBER FIVE OF THE APRIL 22ND TWO THOUSAND TWENTY

[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES – April 22, 2021 ]

>> IF NOT, CAN I GET SOMEONE TO MAKE A MERCHANT THINGS OUT WHEN I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT YOUR CHILD PROPERLY AND SECOND IT ALL THE FAVOR OF THOSE COMMITTED AND A NUMBER SIX IS SPEAK IT'S THE

[6. Mr. Robert Keenan is requesting a Variance from the Community Development Code, Article 5, Table 5.11.60.A. River Buffer. The property is located at 504 Gray Mallard Court, Fripp Island. The property is zoned Planned Unit Development (PUD). (R400 040 000 0741) ]

>> YEAH, I'M HERE. CAN YOU HEAR ME OK? BEFORE YOU GET STARTED.

MEMBERS, CAN WE MEET SOME GETTING SOME BACKGROUND NOISE IF WE COULDN'T MOVE OURSELF UNTIL WE HAVE A QUESTION. THERE YOU GO. THE CHAIRMAN.

>> I KNEW IT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR IS OFTEN THE PROPER NOTICE OF THIS HEARING GO OUT TO EVERYBODY SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS. YES.

OK, THANKS. OK, YEAH. I'M ROBERT KANE APPLICANT.

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OK. SO BASICALLY IN ORDER TO WHAT I WANT TO DO EVIDENTLY IT SLIGHTLY CROSSES THE RIVER BUFFER FROM THE CDC 511 60 THE 50 FOOT SETBACK THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE IN I THINK 1990 FIVE. AND SO UNDERSTAND. I ACTUALLY SERVED ON THE AIKEN COUNTY BOARD OF APPEALS FOR EIGHT YEARS. SO I UNDERSTAND THE THE THE MECHANISMS I'VE NEVER BEEN ON THIS SIDE OF THE TABLE. BUT YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO SHOW I KNOW I HAVE TO HAVE THE ONUS OF PROVING A HARDSHIP THAT IT'S NOT FINANCIAL RELATED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND SO THE THE THE HARDSHIP I GUESS IS REALLY THE APPLICATION OF THE ORDINANCE ITSELF. I MEAN IT WAS PLACED ONTO THE PROPERTY 20 YEARS AFTER THE HOUSE WAS BUILT. YOU KNOW, SO HOUSES BUILT IN 76 AND THAT RIVER BUFFER WENT INTO PLACE IN NINETEEN NINETY FIVE AND REALLY IT WENT IF YOU CAN LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN IT WENT ALL THE WAY UP TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE SO THE KITCHEN AND THE VERY SMALL KITCHEN THAT WE HAVE I WOULD LIKE TO BUMP OUT AND ACTUALLY THAT BUMP OUT DOES NOT GO ANY FURTHER TO WHERE THE EXISTING FIVE FOOT DEEP DECK IS RIGHT NOW. IN FACT I'M I'M BUMPING OUT ONTO THE CONCRETE PIERS THAT SUPPORT THE FIVE FOOT DECK. SO I'M REALLY NOT GOING OUT ANY FURTHER THAN WHAT THE DECK IS NOW. BUT I DO WISH TO ADD ANOTHER UNCOVERED TREK'S DECK ON PIERS THAT DOES SLIGHTLY CROSS THE 50 FOOT RIVER BUFFER PHI BECAUSE OF THE ANGLE OF IT. IT GOES IN ABOUT LESS THAN FIVE FEET ON ONE CORNER AND ABOUT NINE FOOT SEVEN INCHES ON THE OTHER CORNER WHICH IS DRAWN ON THE THE SITE PLAN.

SO I UNDERSTAND THE INTENT OF THE RIVER BUFFER, YOU KNOW, TO PROTECT WATERWAYS WHEN WHEN DEAC PUT THAT ORDINANCE IN PLACE AND IT CAME ABOUT I THINK IN THE RIVER BUFFER OVERLAY DISTRICT THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE IN 95 TO PROTECT LIKE YOU KNOW, KIND OF SACRED WATERS.

THIS IS A MANMADE POND ON FRIPP ISLAND. IT'S NOT ANY SORT OF ENDANGERED TYPE SPECIAL, YOU KNOW, NATURAL HABITAT RESORT YOU KNOW, RESOURCE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT . IT'S KIND OF A I MEAN IT'S A MANMADE POND ON ON FRIPP AND MANY OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES ALREADY HAVE PARTS OF THE HOUSE OR PATIOS.

YOU KNOW, IN CROSSING THAT LINE, FRIPP ISLAND P AWAY HAS GIVEN US APPROVAL ALREADY FOR OUR PLAN. SO I CANNOT BECAUSE OF PROPERTY SETBACKS.

I CAN'T RELOCATE. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT FEASIBLE TO RELOCATE TO THE KITCHEN FROM ONE SIDE OF THE HOUSE TO ANOTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE. I REALLY JUST NEED TO BUMP OUT FIVE FEET. AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT OUR YOU KNOW, MY HARDSHIP IS IS

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THAT'S MY MAN LEFT SIDE NOW RIGHT INSIDE THE RED. I'M SORRY.

ON THE RIGHT SIDE THAT IS DENOTED AT TWELVE FOOT FIVE INCHES AND WHAT'S ON THE LEFT OF THAT? IT IS AN EXISTING SCREEN PORCH ,OK?

>> AND YOU COULDN'T GO THERE AND THEN GET A SCREEN PORCH ACROSS THE BACK? WELL THAT THAT ACTUALLY IS THE PLAN IS THAT THE FIVE FOOT FIVE FOOT ACROSS THE TOTAL WIDTH OF THE BACK OF THE HOUSE WHICH IS ABOUT TWENTY FOUR FEET EVERYTHING IS BUMPING OUT TO GROW THE KITCHEN AND THE SCREEN PORCH WILL BE GROWN AS WELL BY FIVE FEET AGAIN TO THE CHECHESSEE TO GO ALL THE WAY ACROSS. PLUS FIVE FEET MORE OUT.

>> NO MA'AM. IT IS ONLY FIVE FOOT ADDITION ALL THE WAY ACROSS WHICH IS THERE'S A DECK THERE NOW THERE'S A FIVE FOOT DEEP DECK OFF THE BACK OF THE HOUSE RIGHT NOW. SO IT'S THE THE ROOF AND STUFF WILL ONLY GO FIVE FOOT OUT FROM THE CURRENT BACK THE HOUSE DENOTED BY THAT THE DOTTED LINE WHERE IT SAYS TWELVE FOOT DRAGGING ON FIVE AND THEN THERE'S A 12 FOOT ADDITION OFF OF THAT WHICH IS AN OPEN UNCOVERED NO ROOM FOR ANYTHING, JUST A DECK ON PIERS PILINGS ON THE LEFT.

THAT SECTION IS IS A DECK. HERE'S GOING OUT WHERE IT SAYS OPEN DECK.

>> WELL THAT'S THE NEW PART I'M TALKING ABOUT THE LITTLE AREA THAT'S ELEVEN POINT SIX FIVE

TEN POINT TWO SUPREME COURT. >> YES. THAT SAYS EXISTING SCREENED

PORCH I THINK ON THE DOG NOW. >> BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CONTINUE THAT AS THE SCREEN PORCH. YES. YES.

IT IS GOING TO GROW ALONG WITH THE KITCHEN SO IT'S GONNA BE ENCLOSED AND PART OF THE KITCHEN. IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

THERE'LL BE YES. A DOOR. YEAH THEY'RE OPENING BETWEEN THE TWO. YES. WELL WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS THE WAY THAT ANGLE GOES DOWN IF YOU JUST MAKE YOUR DECK GO OUT TO THE LONGER AND WHERE THE BUFFER IS LESS INSTEAD OF ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE BACK YOU'D HAVE LESS I'D HAVE LESS WHAT LESS ENCROACHMENT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING A TRIANGULAR SHAPED DECK.

>> WELL IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY BE TRIANGULAR. IT COULD BE JUST NOT QUITE ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE BACK. NOT AS BIG JUST THE THOUGHT. YEAH IT'S A TWELVE FOOT I GUESS IT WAS ALL THAT BIG SIZE FOUR FOR A DECK IT'S QUITE REASONABLE STILL FORTY FEET FROM THE THE CRITICAL LINE OK AND I MEAN IT'S THAT'S EVEN LESS THAN THE THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR IT'S DECK AND PORCH AND STUFF. AND MANY OF THE PROPERTIES ACROSS THE POND THE SAME SITUATION BUT LIKE GO DO IT KNOW THERE'S ANY QUESTION LEFT BE ELEVEN. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT LOT IS IS THERE A STRUCTURE THERE TO LET? WELL THERE IS YEAH LOT BE ELEVEN IT IS I WISH I COULD

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SO I'M TRYING TO SEE IF THE HOUSE TO YOUR LEFT IF THERE IS A STRUCTURE THERE IS AS CLOSE

TO THE RUBBLE WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DIPLOMACY TO DO. >> NO IT IS NOT BUT IT'S BECAUSE OF THE SHAPE OF I MEAN THEY'RE NOT EVEN ON THE SAME STREET WE'RE ON A CUL DE SAC AND THAT HOUSE THAT IS NEXT TO ME IS NOT EVEN ON THE SAME IT'S ON THE ADJACENT STREET AROUND

THE CORNER. >> ALL RIGHT. NOW THIS MAN MADE A POINT THAT

YOU WERE REFERRING TO. >> DO IT HAVE. IS IT TIED INTO ANY TYPE OF SALTWATER? YES. YES IT IS.

THAT'S WHY IT HAS A CREDIT CARD LIKE THE PONDS ON FRAME ARE TIED ON INFLUENCED.

YEAH. THEY SAY IT'S TIDAL INFLUENCE BUT I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT WATER.

IT DOES NOT GO UP AND DOWN WITH THE TIDE. IT NEVER MOVES.

IN FACT IT'S SO STAGNANT. THEY HAVE TO HAVE ONE OF THOSE WATERFALL THINGS THAT COMES ON AND THE TIMER THROUGHOUT THAT POND. SO THEORY IF ANYONE HAVE BEEN

TO ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> YES, SIR.

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. I LOOKED UP ON GOOGLE EARTH AND I SAW ALL THESE PORN FIRST ALL WOULD YOU KNOW THAT WAS BUILT AS A STORM WATER RETENTION POND ?

>> I CANNOT SAY FOR SURE IF IT'S IF THERE IS ANY SORT OF SURFACE WATER OR STORM WATER THAT IS DIRECTED TOWARD THAT POND OR NOT. I DON'T EXACTLY KNOW FOR SURE BUT I JUST I KNOW FROM TALKING TO FRIPP ISLAND PFOA THAT THAT WAS BUILT WHEN THEY DEVELOPED THAT SECTION OF FRIPP. IT'S A MANMADE POND. IS THE WATER BRACKISH USING

FRESH WATER? >> I WOULD SAY I WOULD SAY BRACKISH.

I MEAN I HAVEN'T I MEAN IT'S I GUESS THEY SAY THAT IT'S CONNECTED SOMEHOW TO A PART OF A MARSH WAY, WAY. IF YOU LOOK AT GOOGLE MAP IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S NOT EVEN CONNECTED TO TO THE TO THE WATER. IT'S JUST A SEPARATE ISOLATED POND. RIGHT. I LOOKED AT IT AND WEAR IT MUCH UP TO THAT MARCH. YEAH. ALL THE WAY IN THE BACK WAY

DOWN FROM YOUR HOUSE. >> YEAH. OK.

THAT'S I SO I MEAN I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF PROTECTING YOU KNOW PROTECTED WATERS BUT I KIND OF HAVE A YOU KNOW A MANMADE POND REALLY.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT REALLY IS THE YOU KNOW, UNDERNEATH THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE TO PROTECT, YOU KNOW, A STAGNANT POND TYPE THING. IT'S IT'S A STRETCH TO SEE THAT IT CONNECTS TO THE TO THE WATER. BUT LIKE I SAID, IT'S IT'S IN A POND. FRIPP HAS ALREADY APPROVED IT. THEY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. I QUESTION TOO. I MEAN EVEN DRIVING OVER IT YOU KNOW, OVER THE BRIDGE ON THE WAY HERE I SEE TONS OF DOCKS THAT GO OUT FROM A PROPERTY.

YOU KNOW, PLENTY OF PEOPLE HAVE DOCKS FROM THEIR PROPERTY THAT GO INTO THE WATER THAT OBVIOUSLY CROSS THAT. AND I KNOW I THINK DIRECTOR GROSS CRM HAVE SOME SORT OF DOCK APPROVAL THING. SO OBVIOUSLY MANY, MANY PEOPLE ARE APPROVED FOR A DOCK.

I MEAN THAT ACTUALLY GOES FROM THE MAINLAND INTO WATER. I'M GOING NOWHERE NEAR THAT.

SO I JUST YOU KNOW, IT'S AN OPEN DECK, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTED THE SAME MECHANISM LIKE A DOCK WOULD BE. I JUST HAVE STRETCH TRYING TO SEE HOW THIS WOULD AFFECT HAVE ANY SORT OF DETRIMENT AT ALL. OK. WELL, I UNDERSTAND YOUR

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SO NO I MEAN YOU'RE ASKING FOR A DOCK. >> THAT'S IT WAS JUST CHRISTMAS. YEAH. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

TO GO BACK TO YOUR CLAIM THAT YOU OWE HAVING YOUR PACKET HERE BUT YOU SAY THAT THAT THAT SECTION THAT'S TEN BY LIVE ARE YOU GOING TO INTEGRATE THAT INTO YOUR KITCHEN AS WELL? THAT'S GOING TO BE A PART OF YOUR YOU KNOW YOUR KITCHEN. IT IS PLANNED TO BE A LIKE AN

ALL SEASON ROOM. >> SO THERE IS CURRENTLY A DOOR FROM THE KITCHEN THAT GOES OUT TO THE SCREEN PORCH AND IT WILL IT'S ALREADY SIDED. IT'S ALREADY UNDER ROOF.

YOU KNOW THIS SCREEN PORCH IS ALREADY UNDER ROOF. IT'S ALREADY SIDED.

IT WOULD BE DOING CONVERTING THE SCREENING TO WALL A WALL AND WINDOW ON ON TWO SIDES.

YOU COULD I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK AT THIS AND SEE HOW WE COULD MINIMIZE THE ENCROACHMENT AND STILL SATISFY YOU CAN BE SOMEWHAT SATISFIED WITH WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO WITH YOUR PROPERTY. DO ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> BEFORE WE HEAR FROM THE COUNTY, ONE THING I LIKE TO ADD MR. MAC IS THAT HOUSE RIGHT EXTENDS WAY PAST WHERE HE'S TRYING TO DO KIND OF HAVE TO AGREE WITH HIM IF IT'S A

MANMADE POT. >> JUST IMAGINE IF THE POT ON ONE THIS WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE SO I DON'T KNOW. TO ME I DON'T SEE WHAT THE BIG DEAL IS TOUGHER.

EVERYONE ELSE DOESN'T. >> THE CHAIRMAN IF I MAY. YES, SIR.

MR. KANE, HAVE YOU SEEN THE COUNTY STAFF REPORT ON YOUR APPLICATION?

>> YES. I HAVE. I WAS A LITTLE TAKEN ABACK BY IT AND THE FACT THAT IT WAS SO YOU KNOW, EVEN STARTING AT THE ON PAGE TO WHERE IT SAYS THE GRANTING OF THE VARIANCE PERMIT WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND BE A DETRIMENT TO PUBLIC WELFARE REALLY AS YOU GO BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU SAT ON THE ACORN ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FOR YEARS.

YOU PROBABLY USED TO THIS BUT HERE IT'S ALWAYS INCUMBENT UPON THE APPLICANT TO MAKE THEIR CASE. AND SO CAN YOU. CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THE EXTRAORDINARY AND EXCEPTIONAL CONDITIONS ARE THAT PERTAIN TO THE LAND THAT WOULD JUSTIFY

GRANTING A VARIANCE BECAUSE A RESULT IN A HARDSHIP? >> WELL, WHEN IS THE VERY NARROW PIE SHAPED SHAPE OF THE LOT ITSELF? I MEAN IT'S ONLY TWENTY SEVEN FOOT OF YOU KNOW, AT THE BACK THERE THE SIDE SET BACKS THAT ARE IMPOSED, YOU KNOW, BY FRIPP AND COUNTY HAS SIDE SETBACKS AS WELL. I REALLY CANNOT DO ANYTHING, YOU KNOW. OUT TO THE SIDE THE KITCHEN IS AT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AND RELOCATING IT MORE TOWARDS THE GARAGE IS JUST NOT A FEASIBLE THING TO GAIN FIVE FEET.

SO IT IS THE EXCEPTIONAL CONDITIONS ARCH THE NARROWNESS OF THE LOT I GUESS AND THE FACT THAT THIS LINE WAS PUT IN PLACE 20 YEARS AFTER THE HOUSE WAS BUILT AND KIND OF REALLY LOCKED ME FROM ME OR ANYONE WHO WOULD PHONE IT FROM DOING ANYTHING BECAUSE OF THE APPLICATION OF THE ORDINANCE ITSELF. IT DOES NOT YOU KNOW, GRANTING THIS THING GOING OUT INTO THIS RIVER BUFFER IS IT DOES NOT GIVE ME ANY SORT OF , YOU KNOW, ADVANTAGE THAT ANYBODY ELSE CAN'T HAVE. IN FACT, MANY OF THE PROPERTIES ACROSS THE ACROSS THIS THE POND ARE WAY CLOSER LIKE THESE LIKE YOU OBSERVED THE ONE NEXT DOOR ,PROBABLY A THIRD OF HIS ACTUAL HOUSE. THE HOUSE ITSELF CROSSES THE RIVER BUFFER LINE.

ALL I'M LOOKING TO DO IS, YOU KNOW, IN FACT OPEN DECKS ARE ALLOWED IN THE TRANSITION AREA OPEN OPEN DECKS AND PLAYGROUNDS PATIOS ARE ALLOWED IN THE IN THE TRANSITION AREA BETWEEN 60 AND 50. ALL I WANT TO DO IS, YOU KNOW, GO NINE FOOT PAST THAT WHICH

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LIKE I SAID, MOST WHEN YOU'RE SHOOTING FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT HERE THAT THERE ARE SOME EXTRAORDINARY CENTRAL CONDITIONS. HOW DO THOSE CONDITIONS PROHIBIT OR UNREASONABLY RESTRICT THE UTILIZATION OF YOUR LAND? BECAUSE IT'S I MEAN YOU'VE BEEN UTILIZING IT SINCE THE 70S SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND CURIOUS AS TO WHAT THE HOW YOU MEET THAT REQUIREMENT THAT THE GRANTING OF A VARIANCE.

>> WELL, THE FACT THAT I MEAN IT'S AN OLD 70S HOUSE AND TO ADD SOME SOME SQUARE FOOTAGE TO IT THE BACK IS THE IT HAS THE MOST DISTANCE BETWEEN PROPERTY LINES AS FAR AS THE SETBACK.

I CAN'T DO IT OFF YOU KNOW I CAN'T DO IT. I'M COMPLETELY LOCKED IN BECAUSE OF THE NATURAL SHAPE OF THE LOT FROM EXTENDING ANYWHERE REALLY EXCEPT OUT THE BACK BECAUSE OF THE SIDES AND THE SETBACKS FROM ANYWHERE ELSE ON ALL THREE OTHER OTHER SIDES OF THE HOUSE. SO THE KITCHEN IS THE BACK. THE NATURAL THING IS TO GO OUT THE BACK AND THE FACT IS THAT LINE WAS DRAWN THERE RIGHT UP TO THE HOUSE IS KIND

OF IMPOSING AND KIND OF RESTRICTIVE WHAT I CAN DO. >> GOOD LITTLE GOT YOU.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OH, DO WE HEAR FROM THE COUNTY ? WELL, YOU GUYS READ THE REPORT .

THE STAFF REPORT. AND HE MR KEENAN IS SAYING THAT HE CAN EXTEND TO THE SIDES BESIDES SET BACKS ARE 10 FEET MEAN NOT JUST AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY BUT ON THE FRONT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. RIGHT NOW HERE HE IS AND I CONFORMING A LOT BY ADDING THIS DECK. HE'S CREATING A NONCONFORMING SITUATION.

WE LOOK AT THE LOT NEXT DOOR AND WE SAY WELL THAT ONE IS CLOSE BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEPTH OF THAT LOT THERE IS NO WAY THEY COULD BUILD A HOUSE ON THAT PROPERTY WITHOUT A VARIANCE. SO WE DON'T THINK WE CAN COMPARE THIS ONE NEXT DOOR AND THE ONE SHOULD BE. DO YOU RECALL WHETHER OR NOT ONE BOUGHT JEAN THE HOUSE WAS OR WAS GRANTED A VARIANCE? I DID NOT CHECK ABOUT THIS CON MAN MADE POND.

IT'S MANMADE BUT IT'S TIDILY INFLUENCED OCR HAS SIGNED OFF ON IT.

THAT MEAN IT IS BRACKISH AND IT IS A TIDAL INFLUENCE POND. SO WE CAN'T IT'S MANMADE.

IT'S NOT FRESHWATER AND THEY HAVE SIGNED OFF ON THIS PLOT STATING THAT THERE IS AN OCR CRITICAL LINE AND ALL OF THE PONDS ON FRIDAY ARE LIKE THAT. THEY'VE BEEN BUILT THAT WAY.

SO YOU KNOW, I RECOMMENDED DISAPPROVAL BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S YOU COULD MAYBE GO OFF TO GO OUT TO THE SIDE. I WOULD RATHER GIVE A SIDE YARD SETBACK THAN A RIVER FIRST SETBACK. THAT IS OUR NATURAL RESOURCE. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT THAT WAY. LOTS THAT ARE TOO SMALL. THAT NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO BUILD A HOUSE. I CAN SEE THEM GETTING A WAIVER OR VARIANCE TO DO THAT.

BUT ROCKS THAT ARE DEEP LIKE THIS ONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO MEET THE 50 FOOT.

HE CAN GO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE 50 AND AND BE OKAY AS LONG AS HE KEEP THE 50 FOOT PRISTINE AND THAT'S OUR REPORT. THANK YOU. MR KEATING, WE'RE HEARING FROM YOU AND I HAVE SEEN THE REPORT FROM THE COUNTY. WOULD YOU CONSIDER POSSIBLY YOU KNOW YOU UTILIZING IT IS FEASIBLE SOME OF YOUR SIDE PROPERTY TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE

SOME OF WHAT YOUR WE'D LIKE TO DO WITH YOUR PROPERTY? >> I CERTAINLY WOULD IF IT WAS

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>> I DON'T THINK THE CRITICAL LINE WAS IN PLACE WHEN THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR WAS WAS BUILT.

I MEAN I THINK IT WAS BUILT AROUND THE SAME TIME SO THEY WOULD HAVE HAD TO GET A VARIANCE OF CRITICAL LINE HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN PLACE AS THOSE COASTAL POLITICAL COAST PLUS.

WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THE VEHICLE BEFORE IT BECAME CRM AND THERE WAS ALWAYS A 20 FOOT SETBACK STORY FOR THE SOUTH CAROLINA COASTAL COMMISSION RIGHT ON THAT.

YEAH, THAT LINE HAS BEEN THERE THAT YOU'RE SEEING I'VE BEEN THERE SINCE AT LEAST THE MID

70S. YES. >> SO IF THIS HOUSE WAS BUILT BACK THEN THEN THEY MET THAT REQUIREMENT. IF THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR CAME IN TODAY AND SAID WE WANTED TO BUILD A HOUSE, WE WOULD GRANT THAT THAT LOFT WAIVER BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE IT'S NOT DEEP ENOUGH TO MEET THE 50 FEET. I MEAN ONE SIGN OF THIS LOT IS ONLY 88 FEET SO THERE IS NO WAY THEY COULDN'T MEET THE 50 FEET SO THEY WOULD GET A WAIVER.

THAT WAS ANOTHER QUESTION I HAD BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE TO. I MEAN I SPENT A LOT OF TIME I THINK SINCE MARCH TRYING TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND I ORIGINALLY MISTAKENLY THOUGHT THAT YOU COULD DO IT WITH THE ADMINISTRATIVE WAIVER BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT A LOT AND BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE LOT ,THE COUNTY COULD GRANT AN ADMINISTRATIVE WAIVER.

AND PART OF WHAT THEY LOOK AT IS YOU HAVE TO SHOW THAT X NUMBER OF PROPERTIES ACROSS ADJACENT AND EVERYTHING HAVE THE SAME SORT OF ENCROACHMENTS INTO IT AS FAR AS SQUARE FOOTAGE. AND I'M SURE HILLY CAN YOU KNOW ,EXPOUND UPON THAT.

BUT IF THIS WAS NEW CONSTRUCTION, IF IT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE IF IT WAS NEW CONSTRUCTION. NOW SIR, I CAN LOOK AT THIS LOT AND TELL YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD HAVE TO REDESIGN THIS HOUSE AND GET IT TO MEET THE 50 FACILITIES DEEP ENOUGH.

IT'S A HUNDRED AND FORTY ONE FEET DEEP. I THOUGHT THAT REQUIRE THE THE CONTINGENCIES WHERE YOU HAD TO LOOK AT THE AVERAGE SQUARE FOOTAGE AS YOU LOOK AT THAT SQUARE FOOT FIVE LEFT FIVE. RIGHT. RIGHT.

WITH THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE NOT FOR WHERE THE HOUSE IS PLACED ON THE LOT.

WE TRY TO GET THAT HOUSE AS FAR AWAY FROM THE CRITICAL LINEUPS WE POSSIBLY CAN AS LONG AS THE HOUSE SIZE MEANING THE AVERAGE HOUSE SIZE BUT FIVE LEFT FIVE RIGHT.

SO LOOKING AT THIS WHAT IF YOU WERE TO COME IN TODAY YOU COULD BUILD A HOUSE WIDE INSTEAD OF DEEP BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING THE SETBACK IS 20 FEET OR SETBACK IS 10 FEET ON THE SIDES ,NOT 20 FEET. I DON'T KNOW WHERE FRIPP GETS IT FROM BUT I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THAT LEFT SIDE IS 20 FOOT IN FRIPP SO I WOULDN'T JUST WANT TO GO INSIDE 20 FEET.

ONE SIDE IS 20 FOOT AND THE REST ARE 10 AND 15. YES.

YEAH FOR SURE KNOW THAT. BUT THEY DID BECAUSE OF YOU KNOW FRIPP LOOKED AT IT AND SAID YOU KNOW OBVIOUSLY IT'S IT'S IT'S A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT TO THE.

LOOK AT THIS OLD 70S HOUSE THE OLD SIDING, THE ROOF LINES AND OLD WINDOWS AND EVERYTHING LIKE

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BUT YES, 20 FOOT ON THE ON THE LEFT AND I HAD TO GET A VARIANCE FROM THEM WHICH THEY APPROVED BECAUSE IF YOU MEASURE THAT 19 FOOT PARALLEL TO THAT LEFT PROPERTY LINE, IT DOES CLIP, YOU KNOW, THAT DECK THERE. BUT THEY FOUND NO YOU KNOW, NO PROBLEM THAT IT ADVERSELY AFFECTS ANY OTHER PROPERTIES AT ALL.

IT'S ARE YOU FINISHED? OH, I'M ME. I'M FINE.

I'M DONE. ROBERT, AS I LOOK THROUGH THIS I'M JUST HAVING A LITTLE I MEAN I'M I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BUT I'M JUST HAVING A LITTLE PROBLEM JUST IF THE CRITERIA IS THAT WE HAVE TO MEET FOR A A VARIANCE DON'T SEEM TO CARE ALL GOES WELL.

>> THOSE CRITERIA IS MET WITH HARDSHIP HERE. I MEAN YOU STILL HAVE USE OF THE PROPERTY. I MEAN YOU CAN STILL MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PROPERTY IF YOU CHOOSE TO WHICH I KNOW YOU SAID FLIP WOULD APPLAUD IT BUT I'M JUST YOU FINDING IT DIFFICULT TO HAVE MET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A VARIANCE. I LOOKED QUITE HARD AT THAT AT SECTION D THE VARIANCE PERMIT REVIEW STANDARDS AND AGAIN I SAT ON YOUR SIDE OF THE TABLE FOR EIGHT OR NINE YEARS. SO I MEAN I KNOW IT IS AS WELL AND I DON'T KNOW AND I CAN I CAN SEE YOU LOOKING AT THESE I'VE LOOKED THROUGH THEM AND TO CHECK THEM OFF THE EXTRAORDINARY AND EXCEPTIONAL CONDITIONS REFERRED TO ABOVE ARE NOT THE RESULT OF THE ACTIONS OF THE HOMEOWNER. OF COURSE NOT. SO WE CAN CHECK THAT ONE BECAUSE OF THESE EXTRAORDINARY EXCEPTIONAL CONDITIONS. THE APPLICATION OF THIS DEVELOPMENT CODE UNREASONABLY RESTRICTS. WELL, IN MY MY VIEW UNREASONABLY RESTRICTS IS I CAN'T I REALLY CAN'T GO OUT ANY OTHER WAY.

THE ONLY WAY I CAN GO OUT IS IS BACK FROM THE DESIGNS FROM THE DESIGN STANDPOINT AND THE FEASIBILITY OF THAT'S WHERE THE KITCHEN IS AND ALL WE'RE DOING IS TRYING TO GO OUT.

YOU KNOW, IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO LESS THAN FIVE FOOT ON ONE SIDE AND AND JUST OVER NINE FOOT ON ON THE OTHER SIDE. IT DOES THE VARIANCE PERMIT WOULD NOT CONVEY ANY SPECIAL PRIVILEGE TO THE LANDOWNER THAT IS DENIED TO OTHER LANDS STRUCTURES.

I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT YOU KNOW, IN FACT IT'S THE OPPOSITE.

MANY OF THE OTHER STRUCTURES ALREADY ARE PAST THE LINE AS WELL.

SO IT'S ACTUALLY THE OPPOSITE. I THINK WE CAN CHECK THAT AS WELL.

THE EXTENT OF THE VARIANCE PERMIT IS THE MINIMUM NECESSARY .

YOU KNOW, YOU COULD ARGUE YOU KNOW TWELVE FOOT DECK IS I MEAN IF YOU MAKE IT MUCH SMALLER IT BECOMES, YOU KNOW, A 10 FOOT. I'M ACTUALLY A LICENSED BUILDER AT A 10 FOOT SIZE DECK IS NOT IT'S IT'S RESTRICTIVE. IT'S THE VARIANCE PERMIT IS IN HARMONY WITH THE GENERAL PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT CODE PRESERVES ITS SPIRIT FOR ABSOLUTELY.

I MEAN MY OPINION IT IS I MEAN IT'S ALREADY ALLOWED IN THE TRANSITION AREA.

AN OPEN DECK IS ALLOWED IN THE TRANSITION AREA ALREADY ANYWAY .

WE JUST HAVE TO GO JUST A LITTLE BIT PAST IT. WE'RE NOT DISTURBING THE GROUND IN ANY WAY. WE'RE NOT GRADING WE'RE NOT CHANGING RUNOFF ALL IN THE SPIRIT OF THE OF THE ORDERED THAT'S ALL WE'RE DOING IS GUARDING SOME SIX BY SIX OR EIGHT BY EIGHT COLUMNS TO SUPPORT THE DECK. I MEAN THERE'S REALLY NOTHING THERE THAT CAN DISTURB THE LAND . THE VARIANCE PERMIT WOULD NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE HEALTH OR SAFETY OF PERSONS OR WORKING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYONE GOOD THAT COULD SAY THAT THAT IS NOT TRUE OTHERWISE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC WELFARE. I DON'T SEE HOW IT COULD BE

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WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY SORT OF USE CHANGE SO THAT DOESN'T APPLY HARDSHIPS RESULTING FROM FACTORS OTHER THAN THE APPLICATION OF THE STANDARDS OF THE DEVELOPMENT CODE ITSELF . NO. AGAIN MY ARGUMENT FROM THE GAINING WAS THE HARDSHIP IN ADDITION TO THE SHAPE OF THE LOT WAS THE APPLICATION OF THE ORDINANCE COMING ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK OF THIS THIS HOUSE AND RESTRICTING IT FROM POPPING OUT IN THE FUTURE AND THE FACT THAT THE LAND OR STRUCTURE MAY BE UTILIZED MORE PROFITABLY.

NO THIS IS NOT. I'M NOT SAYING THIS THE FINANCIAL THERE'S NO THERE'S NO FINANCIAL INCENTIVE HERE. I'M NOT ASKING FOR THAT SCHOOL CERTAIN OPEN DID THAT AND I

GUESS YOUR OPEN MEANS NO TALK WAS ON THAT DAY, RIGHT? >> NO.

NO ROOF, CORRECT? NO JUST OPEN THAT. MY ONLY QUESTION TO YOU IS THE PURPOSE OF THE ORDINANCE IS DIFFERENT THAN OTHERS BECAUSE OF THE PRESERVATION OF THE WATERWAYS AND THE IMPORTANCE OF THE RUNOFF AND THE WILDLIFE .

IT'S NOT JUST YOU KNOW, ANY ORDINANCE AND YOU KNOW YOU'RE NOT GRANDFATHERED IN LIKE THE PEOPLE NEXT DOOR ETC. WELL, I MEAN I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE INTENT.

>> I'VE READ THE THE ORDINANCE. I'VE READ THE BACKGROUND WHERE THE ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED FROM FROM THE THE RIVER BUFFER OR OVERLAY DISTRICT. AND SO I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE INTENT BUT I CANNOT SAY THAT ANY OF THE OTHER PEOPLE WERE GRANDFATHERED.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE GRANDFATHERED OR NOT. THE FACT THAT EVERY EVERYTHING I CAN SEE WITHIN MY VIEW EITHER SIDE AND ACROSS THE POND AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS EXAMPLE HERE.

ONE TO THE RIGHT OF IT. MUCH OF MANY OF THOSE IF NOT THE MAJORITY OF THOSE PROPERTIES ARE PASSED THE 50 FOOT LINE ALREADY TO NO DETRIMENT OF ANY WATERWAYS.

SO IT'S I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE AND I RECOGNIZE THAT.

BUT THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME SORT OF OF VISIBILITY OF THE FACT THAT THIS IS A TECHNICALITY THAT SAYS ITS TITLE INFLUENCED BECAUSE YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH IT'S NEVER RISES AND FALLS WITH THE TIDE SO I GET IT. BUT IT'S THE HARDSHIP I'M UP AGAINST A WALL HERE OR UP AGAINST A LINE AND I'M REALLY NOT ASKING FOR ALL THAT MUCH. I THINK IT'S REASONABLE.

MR. YES. I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. GO AHEAD.

SUE YOUR END YOUR PLAN. CHILDERS IS GONNA PUT A DIFFERENT THAT'S GOING TO BE COVERED WITH A ROOT CAREER. YEAH. ARE YOU ASKING ME OR MR. MAC MISS, CAN YOU SIR? OH YES. OH, IT'S ONLY 5 FOOT THAT IS GOING TO BE THE ROOF EXTENDED. THERE'S PROBABLY A TWO FOOT EAVE RIGHT THERE NOW ANYWAY SO IT'S OKAY. MY QUESTION IS WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS FOR THE THE RUN OFF? THERE'S NO THERE'S NO GUTTERS ON THE HOUSE NOW SO IT'S GONNA BE VIRTUALLY EXACTLY THE WAY IT IS NOW. I MEAN WE'RE STILL THERE BUT THEN IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THE CASE. BUT AS IT SEEMS YOU'RE GONNA BE INCREASING THE IMPERVIOUS

COVERAGE OF LORD NOT NOT WITH OPEN DECK. >> I MEAN WE'RE NOT PAID IF YOU PUT OR IF YOU PUT A ROOF OVER FIVE FOOT ADDITIONS AND IT'S NOT THERE NOW.

YES. YOU'RE INCREASING THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE.

OH, I YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE DECK. NO, NO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FIVE FOOT ADDITIONS. OK, YEAH. TO WHAT EXTENT?

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YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE STILL WATER. IT'S IT'S IT'S A.

WHAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH ADDING FOUR OR FIVE FEET TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE KITCHEN AND PUTTING IT OUT THAT WAY? PROPERTY LINE SETBACKS IF IT'S 10 FEET THEN YOU'VE DONE FOUR POINT FOUR FEET AT THE REAR BUT YOU GET SUBSTANTIALLY MORE AS YOU GO TOWARDS THE STREET.

>> YEAH. BUT THE KITCHEN YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW THE KITCHEN ITSELF IS THAT THAT TOP SQUARE. YEAH. AND GOING YOU KNOW, FIVE FOOT OUT DOES NOT MEET THE PROPERTY LINE SET BACK THAT WAY ALSO SAID SHE'D BE MUCH MORE INCLINED TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A VARIANCE FOR ENCROACHMENT INTO THE SIDE SET BACK THEN

INTO THE RIVER. >> BUT YES I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU KNOW WE'VE I I REALLY I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I COMPLETELY RESPECT IT WOULD CHANGE THE ROOFLINE OF THE HOUSE. I MEAN THE PLANS ARE ALREADY DRAWN BY AN ARCHITECT.

YOU KNOW THAT THAT WOULD INVOLVE HAVING TO GO BACK, YOU KNOW, TO TO THE PLAN AND AND IT

IS NOT THE. >> IT IS NOT THE SHAPE OF THE KITCHEN THAT IS, YOU KNOW, DESIGNED ALREADY IS TIED TO OBLONG AND HAVE A JUT OUT OF THE HOUSE THEN ODD JUT OUT OF THE HOUSE JUST BUMPING THAT ONE YOU KNOW, JUST BUMPING THE KITCHEN OUT.

IT'S IT'S NOT TERRIBLY FEASIBLE AND IT IT GETS CLOSE TO THE TO THE PROPERTY LINE OVER THERE.

YOU KNOW BETWEEN THE NEIGHBOR AND STUFF. WHY DO CAN I SPEAK? YES. HOW ABOUT TAKING THE SCREEN THERE'S A SCREEN PORCH AND YOU MAKING YOUR MAKING YOUR KITCHEN ALL THE FAT AND THAT'S YOUR TIE.

FEET TAKE THE FIVE FEET ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE RIBAUT LUMBER FOR YOUR NEW DECK AND STOP IT AT THE 50 SO YOU WOULD HAVE AND THEN MAKE THAT ONE SO THEN YOUR CRITICAL LINE YOUR YOUR NEW NUMBER LIKE FIVE FOOT COULD BE YOUR SCREEN FORTUNE SIX BUCKS AND SEVEN FEET POINT TO THE CRITICAL LINE ON THIS SIDE ABOUT SO SETUP FOR KITCHEN GOING OUT FIVE FEET IT LET'S COME ACROSS AND THEN THAT EXTRA STUFF COULD BE YOUR SIDE OF IT COULD BE A SCREEN PORCH AND RISK COULD BE YOUR DECK THAT'S JUST ASKING FOR CERTAINLY MUCH MORE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE

ORDINANCE THAN WHAT'S SHOWN HERE. >> I I CERTAINLY DO UNDERSTAND AND RESPECT YOU KNOW RESPECT THAT I I WAS OF THE UNDERSTANDING AGAIN, YOU KNOW, ONCE BEING ON THAT SIDE OF IT THAT YOU KNOW, I I REALLY I DON'T THINK THAT I'M MAKING ANY REQUEST. IT'S THE MINIMUM POSSIBLE. IT'S REALLY A FIVE FOOT ADDITION IS IT'S ACROSS THE BACK OF THE HOUSE NOW IS REALLY NOT AND THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE.

I MEAN BECAUSE THAT'S NOT CROSSING THE RIVER BUFFER LINE IS THE THE OPEN DECK THAT IS ABOUT LESS THAN FIVE FOOT ON THE LEFT SIDE AND NINE FOOT SEVEN INCHES ON THE RIGHT SIDE

,AN OPEN DECK THAT'S ALLOWED IN THE TRANSITION AREA ANY. >> I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND YOUR SIDE. I HAVE BELIEVE I'VE AND I'VE REALLY TRIED MY BEST TO ADDRESS ALL OF THE VARIOUS REVIEW STANDARDS AND THE GROUNDS FOR APPROVAL.

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SAY THAT THIS IS NOT ANY SORT OF CRITICAL WATERWAY. >> IT'S THE ROBERT SPIRITS.

>> I THINK MR. LOOK IT'S IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD BE INCLINED TO PROPERLY

ALONENESS TO PUSH THIS OPEN TO OUR NEXT MEETING? >> THAT WAY YOU CAN PROBABLY GO BACK AND IN MAYBE REVISIT AND LOOK AT THIS AGAIN OR WE COULD MOVE FORWARD AND MAKE A RULING ON IT TONIGHT. I MEAN IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK AND KIND OF REALLY REEVALUATE THIS, WE WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO YOU KNOW, TO DO THAT OR WE CAN MOVE FORWARD TONIGHT

AND MAKE A RULING ON IT. >> I MEAN I AM HERE I MEAN I'M HERE IN PERSON BECAUSE I WANT TO I WANT TO DO MY BEST TO TO SHOW I'M TRYING TO COMPLY WITH WHAT YOUR RULES.

LIKE I SAID, I SAT ON THAT SIDE OF THE TABLE SO I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION.

I DON'T EVER RECALL IN MY EIGHT YEARS GOING BACK AND ASKING SOMEONE TO REDESIGN THEIR HOUSE THAT THEY'VE ALREADY HAD DRAWN UP NOT JUST YOU CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT, MR. KEENAN, BUT I THINK IT'S A PRETTY EVIDENT THAT AT LEAST SOME OF US ARE STRUGGLING WITH YOUR ABILITY TO MEET THE CRITERIA FOR THE GRANTING OF THE VARIANCE.

>> I UNDERSTAND. I MEAN CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND FROM YOUR SIDE WHAT YOU FEEL THAT I DON'T MEET BECAUSE I LOOKED AT IT AND I FEEL THAT I DO MEET THE SEVEN CRITERIA I CAN EXPLAIN WHAT I'M LOOKING AT AND LOOKING AT YOU RIGHT NOW HAVE A FIVE DECK THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ADD TO THE HOUSE AND THEN ADD ANOTHER 12 FOOT DECK.

YES. WHICH IS WHAT YOU CONSIDER ADEQUATE FOR A DECK.

JUST GO OUT TO WHERE YOU HAVE A SCREENED PORCH DURING INCLUDING THE ROOF AS ALL YOUR HANG AND THE THING THAT WE'RE CONCERNED WITH THAT THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY CONCERNED WITH AIKEN IS WHAT THE RUNOFF DOES TO THE WATER AND THAT RUNOFF GOES INTO THE POND AND WHETHER IT'S WHEN YOU SEE THE TIDE COMING IN OR NOT, IT DOES FLOW INTO THE MAIN WATERS.

>> YOU KNOW THERE IS BACK AND FORTH THERE. >> SO IF THE RAIN IS COMING DOWN AND IT HITS THE GROUND OR IF IT HITS THE ROOF FIRST AND RUNS ONTO THE GROUND, I I STRUGGLE TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN THAT. I MEAN THIS FIVE FOOT ADDITION HOP HOW I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND YOU KNOW, WATER RUNOFFS. WE LOOKED AT IT A LOT.

YOU KNOW, WITH PAVED, YOU KNOW, IMPERVIOUS SURFACES. BUT GIVEN THE RAIN IS COMING DOWN IN IT, IF THE ROOF WASN'T THERE AND IT HITS THE GROUND AND IT'S GOING TO GO TO WHEREVER IT GOES, HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN IF THERE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF ROOF THERE THAT THE WATER WOULD HIT THE ROOF AND THEN RUN TO THE GROUND TO THE PANEL?

>> MR KEENAN IS WITH WHEN THE RAIN COMES DOWN AND IT HITS PERVIOUS AREAS IT SOAKS WHEN THE RAIN COMES DOWN AND IT'S IMPERVIOUS AREAS THEN IT IS IT IS CONCENTRATED, ABROGATED AND

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FROM THE WATER BEFORE IT GETS TO WHEREVER IT'S GOING. >> YES.

BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS THE ROOF IN THE AREA THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS NOT CROSSING THE RIVER BUFFER. MY ROOF IS NOT CROSSING THE RIVER BUFFER ASIDE.

I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ROOF. IT'S IT'S IN THE CENTER.

NOT HERE. THE OH IT IS NOT SO THE 60 FOOT CCL LINE IT'S BEHIND THAT COMPLEX. WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS THE FIVE FOOT ADDITION GOES INTO THIS 60 FOOT CCL SETBACK AREA BECAUSE INTO THE 60 FOOT. YES.

WHICH PART OF THE ON SET HERE. BUT IN A SETBACK FOR VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION BEYOND THAT 60 FOOT LINE. IF YOU DON'T COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCE YOUR YOU'RE ALREADY DOING PRO IS JUST SLIGHTLY INTO IT.

THAT RIGHT REAR CORNER RIGHT WANT TO DO IS INCREASE THAT ENCROACHMENT.

MISS HILARY TOLD ME HERSELF ON THE PHONE THE OTHER DAY THAT IT WOULD BE IF I WAS NOT ASKING FOR THE DECK THIS VARIANCE WOULD BE IF IT WAS JUST THE ADDITION THERE SHE WOULD THERE WOULD BE APPROVED. NO, NO, NO. IF THIS ADDITION HAS A ROOF ON IT IT WOULD NOT BE APPROVED. BUT MAN, HE TOLD ME ON THE PHONE IF I WASN'T ASKING FOR THE NET AND IMPROVE IT THIS ADDITION HAS A ROOF ON IT. WHAT'S ALLOWED IN THE TRANSITION ARE DECKS, POOLS, STEPS, THINGS THAT DON'T HAVE A PART IN WELL BUT THEN I'M CONFUSED AS TO WHY YOU SAID IF I WASN'T CROSSING THE RIVER BUFFER TO THE 50 FOOT RIVER BUFFER THAT THE VARIANCE WOULD BE APPROVED. YOU SAID WELL WE WOULD MAYBE LOOK AT IT AND SAY SINCE YOU'RE NOT GOING INTO THE 50 FOOT BUFFER WE MIGHT LET IT GO.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'VE HAD. I'M NOT ASKING FOR A VARIANCE.

WE CAN'T JUST LOOK AT JUST YOUR AUDITION IF YOU WANT SUGGESTED THIS CONVERSATION OUGHT TO BE HELD OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THIS MEETING. SO YES, THIS BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE CODE IT SAYS RESIDENTIAL PLAYGROUNDS, FIRE PITS, OPEN DOOR FURNITURES PERVIOUS HARD SCAPE ON COVERED DECKS, POOLS STEPS ARE ALLOWED IN ABOUT 60 FEET.

>> RIGHT. >> AND I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT THAT'S THE POINT. YOU KNOW THAT I'M HERE IS IT DOES.

>> I'M ASKING FOR A COUPLE FEET AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS THAT WAS REASONABLE.

SO THERE'S NO WAY IF THAT IS IF THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE AT NOW, THEN YOU KNOW, PEOPLE READ THE ADDITION IS THEN YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT IF I IF I WANT TO DO THIS FIVE FOOT ADDITION OFF THE BACK EVEN IF I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT THE DECKS THAT THAT IT'S NOT IT'S NOT YOU DON'T HAVE SEE A WAY TO GRANT THAT AT THIS POINT. SO I THINK YOU STILL NEED.

YOU STILL NEED VARIANCE FOR THAT. YES.

>> BUT THE COUNTY SHOULD BE OKAY WITH JUST THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TOWARDS A CRITIC. IT'S NOT GOING OVER THE RIVER FAR IF IF THIS VARIANCE WAS FOR THE 5 FOOT ED. I WOULD MORE THAN LIKELY SAY YES, HE CAPTURES ALL THE RUNOFF AND IT TAKES BACK WITH THE OPEN DECK GOING THAT FAR INTO THE BUFFER .

AND THAT'S THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. THE RIVER BUFFER THEN I SAY NO . SO MR. KEANE AND IF YOU WANT TO TAKE OFF THE DECK AND WE WORK WITH A FIVE FOOT ADDITION, YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE BOARD WOULD SAY THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY NEXT QUESTION. OK. SO SO WE'RE WE'RE THINKING AS FAR AS THE ECOLOGICAL IMPACT THAT THAT THIS OPEN DECK WHICH WHETHER IT WAS THERE OR NOT THE

SAME AMOUNT OF RAIN WATER IS GOING TO HIT THE GROUND. >> I MEAN IS THAT NOT A REASONABLE ASSESSMENT? I MEAN IT'S IT'S IT'S KIND OF A COMBINATION.

>> IT'S NOT JUST THE RAIN WATER HAVING GARBAGE IN IT, BUT IT'S IT ADDS ALKALINE TO THE

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ABOUT THE COMBINATION OF THE EXTRA ROOF AND THE DECK. >> OK, SEE THIS I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD SQUARE IT THIS DISH ON SIGNED OFF ON YOU KNOW SOME OF IT HERE.

I MEAN WHAT WHAT ABOUT DISCUSS? >> WHAT ABOUT THE SETBACK FOR 10 FEET 20 FEET HERE AT OK ENOUGH TO SEE THAT FROM FRAME. BUT YEAH, SET ASIDE SET SETBACKS ARE 10 FEET BUT EVEN WHAT YOU DREW THERE COMES NOWHERE NEAR TO 10. WELL YOU'RE NOT 10 FEET BUT WHAT YOU THROUGH HERE YOU'RE EIGHT FEET HERE AND NINE FEET THERE SO DIFFERENT GIVE YOU A FAIR AND A YEAR GRIP APPROVED. YES, FLIP APPROVED. OK.

SO THERE EVEN GOING AGAINST THEIR 20 FEET THAT YOU SAY THEY A RELATIVE THEN WHY COULDN'T THEY GIVE YOU A VARIANCE FOR THE DECK HERE AND YOU KNOW THEY'VE ALREADY PUT YOU AT NINE FEET. SO AND THEN YOU WORK IT OUT AND THEN ALL OF THIS COVERED AREA WOULD NOT GO PAST THE 50 AND YOU WOULD GET A BIGGER KITCHEN AND A BIGGER THIS YEAR.

AND JUST WHAT WERE YOU DOING EARLIER? YOU KNOW, SHE WAS SUGGESTING THAT INSTEAD OF GOING BACKWARDS TOWARDS THE WATER WITH THE DECK TO GO THE LEFT, YOU KNOW, TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE COIN CALLS THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY THEN TAKE THE ADDITION ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE 50 FOOT BUFFER BREAK AND THAT RUNOFF WOULD BE CAPTURED BY GUTTERS AND TAKEN BACK. RIGHT. SO WEIRD WE TOOK RIBAUT DECIDE

WHERE THE PORCHES AT THE SCREEN PORTSIDE YOU SEE, RIGHT? >> YEAH.

AND THEN YOU KNOW, DO SOMETHING MORE TO GET YOU SOME MORE OUTSIDE.

>> WELL SINCE IT'S COMING DOWN TO THE TO THE WATER AND STUFF WHAT IF WHAT IF I SPENT MORE MONEY AND THEN PUT GUTTERS ON AND DIRECTED WATER YOU KNOW. YOU KNOW PITCH THE GUTTERS TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE SO THAT IT WOULD EVEN TAKE MORE WATER THAT'S COMING IT WOULD KEEP MORE WATER THAT'S COMING DOWN FROM THE FROM THE SKY NOW AND DIRECT IT AWAY FROM THE WATER. I MEAN IF THERE'S NO GUTTERS ON THE HOUSE NOW BUT IF I PUT GUTTERS ON, YOU KNOW, UNDER CONDITION YOU KNOW, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL I MEAN THAT WOULD SATISFY I THINK MISS HUGHES'S CONCERNS ABOUT NO AFFECTED WATER.

>> THIS WOULD THIS WOULD BE ACTUALLY TAKING MORE WATER AWAY.

THAT'S THAN IS GOING THERE NOW. SO YOU'RE USING PUTTING STILL HAVE YOUR FIVE PLUS ALMOST 10 FEET ADDITION INTO THE RIBAUT BUFFER IS PUTTING MORE IN GUTTERS WITH IT.

>> SO YOU STILL WANT YOUR FEET ADDITION PLUS YOUR DAY IS PUTTING ON YOUR HOUSE YOUR FIVE

FEET ADDITION WHAT YOU SAY. >> A FIVE FOOT ADDITION IS NOT GOING INTO THE RIVER BUFFER.

>> IT'S NOT BUT YES, THE FIVE FOOT FOR THE ADDITION THAT IS GOING UP TO THE IT I MEAN IT'S EVEN SHORT OF THE RIVER BUFFER YOU KNOW THE FIVE FOOT THAT'S ON YOUR PLAN YOU CAN SEE IT'S

SHORT OF THE 50 FOOT LINE. >> BUT YES, RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO GUTTERS ON THE HOUSE BUT IF I PUT GUTTERS ON IT WOULD BE TAKING MORE WATER MUCH MORE WATER AWAY FROM BEING INSTEAD OF FALLING RIGHT THERE ONTO THE GROUND NATURALLY AND DOING WHATEVER IT'S DONE SINCE THE 70S I WOULD TAKE IT TOWARDS THE TOWARDS THE STREET TOWARDS THE GARAGE.

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>> OK, I HEAR WHAT YOU SAY. I THINK WE JUST TRIED TO MINIMIZE ANY ENCROACHMENTS, PUT A MORE QUESTIONS. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING HERE.

IF I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS IT WOULD HAVE TO BE WITH GUTTERS DIRECTING THE WATER TO THE FRONT HOUSE REGARDLESS OF HOW THIS PLAYS OUT.

>> UNDERSTOOD. I MEAN THAT I MEAN YOU'RE TALKING YOU KNOW, TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO SATISFY THE BOARD AND THE COUNTY AND THE OCR REQUIREMENTS.

SO IF THAT I MEAN I HEARD MISS HUGHES'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE WATER AND CHANGING.

SO I'M I'M PROPOSING TO SPEND MORE MONEY AND TAKE EVEN MORE WATER AWAY FROM THE FROM THE GROUND RUNOFF THAN IS CURRENTLY BEING HANDLED NOW THAT IT WORKED FOR ME IN TRYING TO

SATISFY THE COUNTY IN YOUR YOU SOMEWHAT SATISFIED AS WELL. >> SO I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT RIBAUT. THAT'S WHY WE STILL HERE HOLD THIS BECAUSE WE TRIED TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT IS YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU THE COUNTY CAN BE SOMEWHAT SATISFIED.

>> YEAH, I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IT. I MEAN THIS IS YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD TO PAY SURVEYORS TO DRAW THE SITE PLAN. I'VE HAD TO PAY THE ARCHITECT TO DRAW THIS STUFF UP. I'VE SPENT THREE MONTHS SINCE MARCH TRYING TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND BELIEVE ME, I WANT TO DO WHATEVER I YOU KNOW, WHATEVER I CAN DO AND I'M MAKING I FEEL I'M MAKING A REASONABLE REQUEST AND MEETING THE REVIEW STANDARDS.

SO I THINK IT COULD BE GOOD IF WE TOOK EVEN MORE WATER AWAY FROM THE GROUND.

THAT'S CURRENT THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING HANDLED NOW. >> OK.

>> I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO ASK YOU THIS QUESTION ARE WE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD SO WE CAN YOU KNOW IN THIS SO WITH THE RECOMMENDATION. I WOULDN'T SAY RECOMMENDATION SUGGESTING THAT HILLARY PROPOSE YOU GUYS WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH THE SITE, YOU KNOW, PLACING ENLARGING YOUR KITCHEN FROM THE SIDE YOU DID THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO ENTERTAIN. JUST IMAGINING ENCROACHMENT INTO THE RIBAUT WITH YOUR DEBT AND DOING THAT WAS MEANT TO STIR UP A WHOLE LOT MORE VEGETATIVE, YOU KNOW, NATURAL

STUFF THAT'S THERE. >> THERE'S TREES OVER THERE. THERE'S LARGE SAW SAWGRASS STUFF THAT'S THAT WOULD ALL HAVE TO BE REMOVED WHICH IS GOING TO YOU KNOW, OFFSET THE BUFFER AREA OR THAT TRANSITION AREA A LOT MORE THAN WHAT I'M CURRENTLY PROPOSING.

THERE'S NO GRADING THAT HAS TO BE DONE GOING BACKWARDS. CURRENTLY THERE'S NO TREES IN THE WAY. THERE'S NO GRADING OR ANY OTHER DISTURBANCE OTHER THAN THOSE THINGS, PIERS TOUCHING THE GROUND. IT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO TRY AND ACCOMMODATE CHANGING THE PLANT OF THE HOUSE AND THE DECK TO GO OUT THAT WAY. PLUS I DISTURBED DISTURBING A LOT MORE LANDSCAPE THAN I FEEL

SORRY. >> YOU DON'T WANT TO ENTERTAIN THAT.

I I WOULD LOVE TO ENTERTAIN IT BUT I'M TELLING YOU THAT THE POTENTIAL IMPACT IT WOULD BE IF I DID I MEAN BELOW BUT THOSE IMPACTS ARE PERMITTED UNDER THE CODE WHICH GOD PERMITTED ABSOLUTE VARIANCE IS WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. THAT'S SHOWN IN YOUR PLAN.

>> HILLARY, WHAT DO YOU THINK IF GOD TOOK THE WIFE BACK TO THE STREET?

>> WELL, I MEAN THAT'S GOT ARE . HE SAID THE 60 FEET SO HE'S STILL GOING TO HAVE THIS DECK THIS 14 FOOT DECK IN THIS BUFFER.

IT'S ONLY 12 FOOT FROM THE FIVE FOOT TO THAT IF THIS MEASURE IS IT IS BEING NO IT'S FROM THIS TO THAT. THAT'S 14 FEET USING MY SCALE. OK.

I KNOW THE PLAN IS ONLY 12 FOOT SO IT MIGHT BE CLOSER IN THEN. YES.

MA'AM IT IS. IT'S NOT DRAWN TO SCALE. I HAVE TO GO WITH ONE SORT

OF DECK. >> IS THAT YOUR PLAN IN THERE WHICH IS MADE OUT OF COMPOSITE MATERIAL WHICH WOULD BE FAR SAFER THAN THE PRESSURE TREATED CHEMICALS THAT ARE IN THE ARSENIC IMPREGNATED EVEN IF WE GET A WOODEN DECK WITH FAKE WOOD IT'S COMPOSITE LIKE TRACKS IT'S COMPOSITE DECKING LIKE PLASTIC. I'M ACTUALLY A TRACK CERTIFIED

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SO THAT'S WHY THEY CALL IT COMPOSITE. IT'S WOOD FIBERS, NATURAL WOOD FIBERS MIXED WITH COMPOSITE PLASTIC MATERIAL BUT TRACKS. IT'S THE IT'S THE LEADING BRAND OF COMPOSITE DECKING. BUT YES, SIR, THAT'S WHAT IT WHAT IT IS.

HILLARY I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. OKATIE MOSQUITO THAT WHAT'S SHOWN HERE IS 14 FEET FROM THE EDGE OF THE PIPE IN ADDITION AND WHERE IT SAYS 9 FEET 7 INCHES IS ACTUALLY CLOSER 0

FEET. >> WELL, THE NINE POINT SEVEN INCHES IS TO THE DOTTED LINE THAT THE RIVER BUFFER I MEAN I'VE GOT MY SCALE IN IT A DIFFERENT 10 SCALE AND IT

SCALES OFF AT ABOUT 12 FEET. >> THERE YOU GO. >> TWELVE FEET WORKING.

YEAH. THE SCALES ON ALL THAT ABOUT TWELVE FEET.

THIS THING IS IN SCALE AND YOU'RE SAYING IT'S NINE BUT IT'S ACTUALLY TWELVE FEET SO YOU'RE SAYING THIS DRAWING FOR GETS THE NUT GASKET IN THE BACK PART.

HE DID YOUR BY THE SURVEY WAS DONE BY HIM RIGHT. I YEAH I MEAN I DID IT

PERSONALLY AND I DRAW LOTS OF PLANS. >> SO FROM THAT FROM HERE

THAT'S MY RIGHT. >> HERE IT IS ONLY PLANNED TO BE 12 FEET FROM THE THIGH POSITION SO I DON'T KNOW MAN. I MEAN IT STOPS HERE. IT'S SO MUCH WHEN YOU'RE SLIP

BACK TO THAT WOULD BE ALMOST FORTY ONE FORTY ONE. >> THAT'S WHAT I HAD.

THAT'S WHAT I HAVE. I MEAN I HAVE I HAVE IT'S 40 40 FEET FROM THE CRITICAL LINE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED ON THAT ONE BUT IT IS NOT MY ATTENTION TO GO THAT FAR OUT POWER DRAW DRAWN THERE. I DON'T I CAN'T SAY I MEAN IF YOU WANTED ONLY APPROVE IT PROCEED. THE TRIAL WOULD. THAT'S WHAT THAT'S MY ONLY INTENTION WAS WAS TOLD FOR IT ANYWAY. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE SCALE ON IT BUT SO YOU SEE THE THIRTY NINE FEET IS NOW 40.

>> GO DOWN TO I THINK WE GAINED ABOUT TWO FEET SO ABOUT FORTY FORTY FORTY ONE FORTY I HAVE IS THERE A NUMBER THAT I COULD SHRINK THE BACK TO THAT WOULD HAPPY MEAT NUMBER TO THE BIG

GLASS. >> IT'S IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS PAY .

>> I DON'T KNOW IF HE RUNS HIS BACK IN THE DECK IS NO DIFFERENT THAN PUTTING UP A DOCK WHICH IS OPEN. DOES THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE. I WAS JUST KIND OF TALKING ABOUT THE EXTRA FIVE FEET THAT'S GOING TO COVER IT UP WHICH IS IS BEYOND THE 60 FOOT

LINE. >> LET ME SAY SOME HERE ABOUT A DOCK.

REMEMBER DOCK STARTS AT THE WATER RIGHT AT THE PROPERTY. OKAY SO IT'S NOT IMPEDING IT'S NOT CREATING RUN OFF OR ANYTHING ELSE INTO THE GROUND BECAUSE IT STARTS TO DIGITAL

WATER. EXACTLY. >> BUT WHEN SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT CHEMICALS AGE COMING FROM THE WOOD AND STUFF. RIGHT.

>> I MEAN I'M JUST I WAS TRYING TO SEE WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS, YOU KNOW, IN A DOCK AND AN OPEN DECK. THAT'S. I WILL MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE DECK. IT'S LIKE A WOODEN DECK. BUT INSTEAD OF WOOD PLANKS, YOU HAVE THE TRACKS PLANKS. CORRECT. WHICH IS AN ELEVATED.

IT IS ONLY FOR THIRTY SIX INCHES OFF THE GROUND. OH IT IS AN ELEVATED SO THAT

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IT'S LEVEL WITH THE FINISH FOR THE FIRST OF THE HOUSE. >> YES THE HOUSE IS UP ON ONE FOOT OR THIRTY SIX INCHES ON PIERS ABOUT THIRTY SIX 40 INCHES.

>> YES SIR. HOW IS IT. I MEAN IT'S NOT CONFORMING SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE 13 FOOT YOU KNOW THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION IS NOW BUT IT WAS BUILT IN THE 70S. HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO ADDING ON? YES, I'VE TALKED WITH YES.

HE SAID NO, NOT CONFORMING AND I DON'T HAVE TO MEET THE 13 FOOT WHICH IS NOW 10 FOOT I THINK. BUT YES, MA'AM, I HAVE. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED WITH THIS THE SCALE THERE BUT IT SHOULD ONLY BE TWELVE TWELVE FOOT NOT 14 FOOT.

OKAY. AND WE LOOK AT THIS QUESTION AND I BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS HERE. NOW YOU POSED THE QUESTION TO US NOT TOO LONG AGO AS FAR AS THE NUMBERS FOR YOUR DECK SIDES LIVE IN WITH THE ENCROACHMENT INTO THE RIBAUT BUFFER.

YES, WHAT WOULD BE AN ACCOMMODATING NUMBER? >> WHAT WOULD BE A NUMBER THAT YOU WOULD BE SATISFIED WITH VERSUS THE. I DON'T KNOW.

TWELVE FEET. WELL, I MEAN THAT THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

BEING A BUILDER I BUILT I'VE BUILT HUNDREDS DECKS. A 10 FOOT DECK IS SMALL.

YOU KNOW IF YOU WANT TO PUT FURNITURE OUT THERE OR AND A GRILL IT ENDS UP BEING SMALL.

THE OTHER THING THE REASON I PLANNED 12 FOOT IS THAT TREK'S BOARDS COME IN EIGHT FOOT TO FOOT AND SAY AH NO I'M SORRY EIGHT FOOT, TWELVE FOOT, SIXTEEN FOOT AND 20 FOOT.

SO IF IF I DID 12 FOOT THAT I DON'T KNOW IF I DID 14 FOOT FOR EXAMPLE.

THAT'S MORE SPACE BUT I WOULD HAVE TO BUY A 16 FOOT BOARD AND CUT TWO FOOT OFF EVERY WEEK DURING A TWELVE FOOT BOARD. I HAVE TO I HAVE NO WASTE AND IT'S LESS LABOR, NO CUTTING.

YOU KNOW, THAT TYPE OF STUFF. BUT THAT IS THE REASON WHY IT WAS TWELVE FOOT AND I WOULD HAVE TO YOU KNOW, I'D HAVE CUT TWO FOOT OFF TO GO TO TEN FOOT A LOT OF WASTE MORE LABOR CUTS AND THEN I'VE GOT A VERY CRAMPED DECK SEEKING IF IT WASN'T FOR TWO WEEKS YOU WOULD YOU WOULD BE OKAY WITH 10 WHEN I'M DONE WITH FIVE ALL THESE YEARS.

WELL WE DON'T USE IT. THAT'S THE THING IS FIVE FOOT IS COMPLETELY UNSUITABLE.

TEN WOULD BE A WHOLE LOT BETTER THAN FIVE IT WOULD IT WOULD WHEN I WOULD SUGGEST INSTEAD OF TRYING TO MEASURE SOMETHING THAT WE SAY THAT NORTH WEST CORNER OF THE DECK WE KNOW FURTHER OUT THAN THE 50 FOOT RIVER BUT FOR A LOT THEN I WOULD CREATE A VERY TRIANGULAR SHAPED DECK WHICH I'VE NEVER SEEN NOR THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING.

YOU CAN HAVE IT PARALLEL. YOU CAN HAVE THE YOU'LL HAVE AN ENCROACHMENT INTO THE RIVER BUFFER ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE BUT NOT ON THE NORTH WEST SIDE. RIGHT.

>> BUT WHAT WITH THAT I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BUT MR WILLIAMS YOU'RE SAY DRAW A STRAIGHT LINE A PARALLEL LINE DRAWN THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT DECK WHERE IT HITS THE RIVER BUFFER ALL THE WAY ACROSS. SO IT'S IT'S PARALLEL TO THE BACKLIGHT GRANITE WHICH ARE

PARALLEL TO THE TO THE FACE OF THE HOUSE. >> YES.

OK. YES. SO THAT WOULD GIVE US HOW MANY FEET IN THE RIVER BUFFER ON THE RIGHT SIDE HILLARY IS LOOKING AT IT TRYING TO DETERMINE SHOT UP ABOUT SEVEN BOOK OF COURSE THAT SHORT NARROWS UP AS IT GETS CLOSER TO THE LEFT.

>> CORRECT. TO WHERE IT TAPERS DOWN TO WHERE YOU GET TO THE CORNER OR TO THE LEFT. THERE'S NO ENCLOSURE THAT IS RIGHT AT THE CORRECT.

CORRECT. HE'S TALKING ABOUT RIGHT. I THINK HE'S TALKING RIGHT THERE. DRAW YOUR LINE RIGHT THERE, OK? SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SO THAT MAKE THE DECK LESS THAN TEN FEET? YEAH, ABOUT NINE FEET AGAIN I'M

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BACK THAT MAY SAY SOMETHING HERE PLEASE. >> YES.

YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE BENDING OVER BACKWARDS TO TRY AND MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

BUT I FEEL LIKE WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY COOPERATION FROM THE OTHER SIDE.

ALL THE GIVE IS ON OUR SIDE. YOU'RE NOT ON THE HOMEOWNER SIDE.

I AM. I'M GRADING THIS WRONG OR AM I CORRECT? I'M THE GUTTERS TO HANDLE MORE THAN BEING HANDLED NOW I CONSIDER IT GOING DOWN THE 10 FOOT. SO I I ACTUALLY I MEAN NOT ONLY BY GOING BACK TO I SAID IT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE CRAMPED BUT IF I CAME BACK TO TEN FOOT MAT INSTEAD I THINK IT'S COMING TO FORCE ME ONE FOOT OVER FROM A STRIP OF MINE ON ONE SIDE.

>> YES IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL OVER THE RIVER BUFFER LINE ON ONE SIDE AS YOU GET TO SEE IF I WENT TO TEN FEET TO GIVE ME A TEN FOOT IT'S JUST TO KEEP YOU OUT OF THE RIBAUT BUFFER.

>> IT'S MUCH AS THEY CAN. IT'S TWENTY FOUR TO CROSS OR SOMETHING SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT SMALL OF AN AREA. YEAH YEAH YEAH. YOUR DESK KIDS NATURALLY.

YEAH. BE. YEAH IT IS.

THAT'S WHAT THE WIDTH OF THE BACK OF THE HOUSE IS. SO BACK.

WELL IF IT WAS TWENTY FOUR HEN BY NINE TWENTY FOUR BY NINE OKATIE YES I WOULD BE I WOULD BE OPEN TO DOING THAT I I AM VERY MUCH TRYING TO MAKE CONCESSIONS ALL RIGHT WELL WHICH WITH AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ON YOUR LEFT SIDE THAT'S WHAT WE GONNA BE GOOD WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING WE'VE BEEN TO RIP A BUFFER YOU KNOW WE'RE RIGHT ON THE 50 AND THAT WILL BE A TEN FOOT HIGH TIDE, OK? IS THAT IN THAT YOU THINK YOU

CAN WORK WITH MR RATHER? >> YES, SIR. I THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES.

YEAH, I WON'T BE ACCOMMODATED. OK, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

WHERE WOULD YOU SAY I GET ONE MEMBER'S MOTION BASED ON WHAT WE JUST ACCOMPLISHED SCORES THE

MINUTE THE RIVER BUFFER. >> OH, DO WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT DOES HAPPEN?

>> OK, SO YOU ARE YOU WOULD BE GRANTING THE SET BACK TO THE BACK WOULD BE FORTY FOUR

SEIZURE SET OFFERS FORTY FOUR FEET ON ONE SIDE ON ONE SIDE. >> THAT'S A PROCESS ON THE RIGHT SIDE WOULD BE FORTY FEET AND INTO THE RIVER BAR. WHAT WOULD YOU MEAN JUST FROM THE CRITICAL ONE I THINK THAT MAKES MORE SENSE. OK.

OK. >> UK I GUESS THE EASIEST WAY TO SAY IT IS THE DEBT CAN EXCEED 90. YES I PUT IT. DID YOU WANT A NINE FOOT THERE? OK DO WE WANT TO PUT GOD IN THERE OR NOT? I'LL TRY AGAIN.

DO WE WANT ADD THE GUTTERS? YES. YEAH.

YEAH OF FEET ON THE LEFT FROM THE CRITICAL. ON THE RIGHT ON THIS ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER. FORTY FOUR FEET FOR THE CRITICAL LEFT.

OK I WAS CHAIRMAN I MOVE THAT CHART BASED ON THE APPLICATION BEFORE US AND THE TESTIMONY

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UNDERSTAND THE MOTION. >> CHESTER, THANK YOU. YES SIR.

CAN WE GET SOMEONE TO SECOND THAT MOTION? I SECOND ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THIS VARIANCE SIGNIFY BY RAISING AN RELUCTANTLY WERE DISCHARGED TO BARRETT'S HAS BEEN GRANTED WITH THE CONDITIONS AND ORDER THE COUNTY WILL FURTHER DIRECT YOU FOR WHAT YOU SHOULD DO FROM THIS POINT ON MR. KING. OK, THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE YOUR FLEXIBILITY IN THE MATTER AND UNDERSTANDING FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. OH, THERE'S A COUPLE GOT TO MAKE IT NO PUBLIC COME IN.

I ASSUME THAT THERE WAS NO PUBLIC DAMAGE FOR THIS TO GET STARTED.

>> GET AHEAD OF OURSELVES THERE. >> YEAH YEAH YEAH.

OH THERE ANY OLD BUSINESS? WELL THE PROCEDURES, THE RULES WILL NOT BE ABLE TO RULES AND PROCEDURES IS NOT COMPLETED YET SO WE JUST WAIT OH MR. WILLIAMS. OH THAT ANY NEW BUSINESS NOW SIR THERE IS NO NEW BUSINESS TO GET SOMEONE TO MAKE A MOTION

FOR A GERMAN DID WE ADJOURN BACK. >> PROBABLY.

WAIT A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR. ALL RIGHT YOU GUYS HAVE MR. CHAIRMAN DELERY

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